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Real Housewife Cults, Toxic Moms & Fake Babies With Up And Adam
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Hannah McDonald juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, we as always have a jam packed show. The way the show is going to go is I'm going to give you a quick update on a couple things and then I did a ton of hot topics that are funny and interesting that involve celebrities and moms and so much juicy stuff including Oprah. And then I did a great interview with up and Adam. Adam is a great YouTuber. He's been on my show but he's also the star of the M.O. very much talked about HBO Max documentary about Mary Cosby, star of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and her alleged cult slash church and how he got involved and how they chose him and every all the knowledge he has and we get into a lot about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City in general in that conversation. So that is all on today's episode. First, I just want to give you a quick update on the Rob Reiner case. His son Nick Reiner did appear in court today. He is no longer on suicide watch. However, Alan Jackson, the famed defense attorney, former LA prosecutor turned defense attorney for Karen Reed, who had taken over the case the minute they heard he has stepped down from the case. He is now going to be with the public defender Kimberly Green, who has 19 years experience and Allen said we are committed to doing whatever we can. We believe that he is innocent of murder based on his circumstances. But we are no longer part of the case. So that could mean whatever people close to his brother and sister say that they are not making any comment. Some would speculate that they don't want to pay for a private attorney and they just want the courts to, they don't want to push something in any other way and just want it to go with the public defenders. But that's where we're at. And that was and he did appear in court. So do you want to give an update on that? Also on Tuesday's show, I misspoke. It's something I sometimes do when I'm rambling off a lot of Hot Topics. And in talking about a lawsuit in which a second man has filed a lawsuit against the writer, director, an actor, Tyler Perry, I misspoke and said, Tyler Henry, Tyler Henry is a psychic medium and he has nothing to do with any kinds of lawsuits at all. So I just wanted to apologize for that. And I made that flip of the, of the words whatever made a mistake and I'm sorry for that. And that's it. So now let's get into some more Hot Topics here on Juicy Scoop. And then after that, we'll have Adam. Rachel Zo of Real Housewives Beverly Hills recently admitted one reason she left styling was because she was betrayed by assistants. I found this to be really interesting. We know that Brad Gorgetsky was her very famous assistant on the Rachel Zo project. If you watched it back then. And she and when I interviewed her, that's always like, don't ask me about Brad. We never talked about Brad. She's never said his name again. She just says, we just have never talked. It's really interesting because I wonder if they've ever run into each other, been at the same party. They must have. But maybe it really hasn't happened that often. I recently saw a, a video about where someone says, do you ever notice when someone is out of your life and they really are meant to be out of your life, you actually don't run into them? And you're like, that's crazy. How has it been that we live in the same neighborhood? And when we were friends, I used to run into you at coffee and da, da, da. And now I like haven't run into that person in five years. Kind of, kind of an interesting, like how the universe works, Matrix kind of a thing. But that is why she got out of it. I also think she built so many brands, she didn't need to be flying around catering to dressing stars when she Herself became a star. And I personally think if my stylist became a big star on television and had their own TV show and they were their own famous person, would I want that person styling me? Because I kind of want to be more of a priority. And if they're coming with, you know, multiple cameras and stuff. So I kind of think. I wonder if that's really the truth or. It all sort of worked out where it's like, I feel betrayed by assistants, but also I don't need to style people anymore because I'm my own star, which is true. Speaking of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, former housewife Denise Richards, her horrific husband, divorcee, hopefully divorced husband to be. They finally got him out of the house that I don't know if they were renting or what, but it was like, under her name, he and his brother and his mother and his father, and they. They been evicted. And now his mother has started a GoFundFundMe. This is real. Please help my son Aaron. A grandmother's cry for justice. So he and his family were asking. Are asking for public help after being evicted from the Los Angeles mansions he once shared with Denise following a court ruling in favor of the landlord. So somebody else owned the house. Finally got him out. Aaron's mother, Patricia, has launched a GoFundMe. So I guess because she's a grandmother, she's like, I'm a grandmother and my son has no place to live. So she's asking for 100 grand. And as of a little while ago, I think, no, they're asking for 110. Kind of a weird number. And from a few days ago, they were at like 1300. People are giving. People are giving. Also, Mickey Rourke is asking for $100,000. He too, was renting a home, and he's being evicted. Mickey Rourke, to remind you, was a really big actor in the 80s and 90s, and kind of not really the 2000s, but definitely 80s and 90s. And then he got some weird plastic surgery, and he always looked like he had a mask on his face. But at one time, he was a really good actor and the movies were huge hits. And he didn't manage his money right. And he doesn't even own a home. He's renting, and he is back his rose, like $54,000 in rent. So he had a friend put out a GoFundMe, and I think they've raised 24,000 of the 100 that they're asking so that he can pay his rent and stay there for a While I think someone would, might, might say, why don't you pay the back rent, but why don't we look for a smaller place for you? Like if we're, if this, if we're going to be paying for these actors now we're supposed to be feeling sorry for, you know, big Hollywood actors that didn't manage their money. Right? I know we've talked about people that are obsessed with these real life baby dolls. And it is a whole thing on the Internet where they do these videos just like a real mom would do. Day in the life of a mother with five kids. And I don't, I don't even know how these people film these videos because it's like a lot of asmr. Like the sound of like opening up their bottles and then shutting a drawer and then packing their lunch and zipping up their backpack and then snapping them into the car seat. And then like, you know, sometimes it's really, really wealthy women that's like waking up, brushing my teeth, hi, honey. They wake up each kid and like, you're just wondering like, did they invite someone to come over? Did they really put the camera, like on all the tripods where they like just are like opening up the covers, making up the bed, clapping, putting a pillow sheet on. It's so weird, but you end up watching it. So there is a woman on there and she is making a lot of money on these videos and she has multiple doll children and babies. And I, I think that she is just one of those people that like, I don't know the last five years was laying in her bed as a single woman and a woman who didn't have children, watching these other women show their life of being a busy mom in the morning. And she's like, I want that. I want to know what that feels like. So, so she has all these little life. They look very real expensive dolls. And then she makes these videos and she kind of does like what I used to do with the Barbies where I'd like shake their heads and like use their different voices. So she has voices for some of the kids because some of the kids have to go to school, some of the kids have lunches, they have allergies that she, they have school projects do. And she, but she has also as a newborn, she has a toddler and she's got like a dorky mom voice like, hey, pumpkin. Hey, sleepyhead. I've got your brother here. I'm, I'm gonna wake you up. And then she wakes them up anyway. I think it's like, harmless, and she's making money off of these videos and. And she can play being a mom. She's not hurting anyone. I think people like, why not adopt a kid? And like, I feel like. I think it's good she's not adopting a kid, actually. She just wants to pretend that she's a busy mom. She just wanted to see that. And I also think there was a movie years ago, like 20 years ago, called AI about a couple that it's in the future, which is now today. And they have an AI son who's just like perpetually, like 7 years old. And I can't really remember what the story, where the movie went, but I'm sure, like, the kid tried to kill him or something. But I do think, like, the future will be just like, you can get in. You know, you can get AI dogs and puppies that look and act like a real dog. I think people will be doing that with children that they can actually talk to and everything. And they just stay like that age. And they can just act like, I am a busy working mom. I have to. But then they don't really have to worry about them, like, needing a heart transplant or being sick or failing out of school, but they. They can cosplay being a mom. It's bizarre. Welcome to 2026. Sprinkles Cupcakes came out in 2005, and they've shut down every store. And this is kind of really interesting. Cause it was a young woman who really built this exciting cupcake business from scratch, no pun intended. And then it was. I believe. I don't know if it was franchise or she owned them, but she did sell the company to private equity. And there's a lot of controversy of when a private equity buys a business that people say it's not as good, the quality is not as good, it's not. It changes. But then also, they can also just get rid of the whole thing for whatever reason where if they feel like it doesn't make sense. So the owner said, I'm sorry, like, the cupcakes are done. And, you know, people weren't given proper notice if they worked at these stores. So they're angry. But I mean, if she got whatever billions and millions of dollars from this company and then the company closes, even though she was the face of it, I don't know, can you really blame her? Um, it's interesting because these cupcakes were like, I guess they were pretty moist, but super fattening. Tons of sugar, just like the crumbles Which I think is also going away. And just like anything, I think people, like, realize, like, just like Jamba Juice. When people are like, everyone would get Jamba Juices thinking they were so healthy. And then they're like, actually, they have a ton of calories in it. Even Jamba Juice is, like, move to having, like, pressed juices and trying to make it healthier. We know how much sugar is in this. I remember, like, we used to break them off and then, like, make, like, a sandwich out of it because the frosting was just, like, so heavy. And you could get it out of a vending machine and. And then other, like, bakery stuff open that were, like, kitschy. And I was always like, God, like, who is eating these? Because how can you, like, stay skinny? So anyway, Sprinkles ran so that Sprinkles walked so that Ozempic could run. Because now they're like this heavy sugar, these super sugary treats are gone. It's about Ozempic. It's about, you know, getting healthy and thin. And when you do eat, you want it to be like, high protein food and not like this sugary shit. I also saw a whole thing of each generation and how much alcohol they buy. And it's like boomers. Then higher up is Gen X. Right above Gen X is Millennials by, you know, the most amount of alcohol per generation. Like, billions. Billions. And then Gen Z is, like, way down here. We've talked about how the nightlife, they don't go to the nightlife or anything because they don't know how to go and dance and look at their phone at the same time. So, like, they don't really drink, which is not a bad thing. Okay. But for the industry, it's weird. And I also wonder, like, you know, with everybody splitting food and everything, because they don't eat as much, like, what happens to the big portions that were so popular, like, years ago with Cheesecake Factory are now portions getting it back to, like, a normal size. But they're going to keep the price because they've got to make their profits. Somehow I've noticed that when I've gone to, like, a chichi bar. What has happened to the glassware? Are you kidding me? I don't even want to bother drinking anymore. I'll say, oh, I'll have a Cosmo, like a little martini. Literally, the martini glass is this big. It is this big. It looks like a doll. It looks like a doll's cup. It looks like one of those fake baby dolls is drinking a martini. It is literally three Sips and they shake it up and they make it taste good. But it's like $27 and you're like, what's the point? Like, I'm gonna have to, have to spend $200 to get a buzz. Is it even worth it? Maybe it's not. You're like, you know what? Just gimme some sparkling water and a lime. Fuck it. You know, like. Anyway, so there you go for that, you guys. One of our dreams have come true. You know, there's gonna be several. And by dreams and several, I mean the Karen Reid Lifetime movie is coming. It is here. It's called the Karen Reid story. It's Saturday, January 10th. You guys, this is appointment television for Juicy Scoopers.
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And we need to watch it. And it was none of the actresses that I had predicted because I don't recognize her. But she has kind of the hooded eyes, which I think is very attractive. A lot of people get those hooded eyes taken care of. Like Mandy Moore. And then people like, who invaded Mandy Moore? Who. Who is this woman? She looks older, she looks different, but it's a very distinct like sexy eye. Renee Zellweger did it too and she looked totally different. You should not do that operation on your face unless you never really had them before and now you're much older. Otherwise, if you do it too young, it just changes your look and like it's a sexy look. It's a sexy look. Anyway, so I'm excited to see the movie just because we've covered it so much. I know that there's several other movies in the works which always happens and they all come out at the same time. Like I said, there were three movies that did the Long Island Lolita at the same time when we did made for TV movies. So this, they ran, they got this done first. And then I'm sure there's going to be like, you know, a higher end, like Netflix limited series that's probably coming out. That's what I'm assuming is the one that will be like a bigger, bigger stars and stuff. I think, I think we already know that someone else is doing her and I can't think of her name and you're screaming in your car saying heather, it's so and so. Anyway, this is January 10th and I will be watching it. I have talked about how there are a lot of fake Bravo type accounts that have come in my feed and sometimes I've made the mistake of following them and they are full blown fake stories. I mean beyond fake stories. And Brianna Vicki Gunvalson's daughter. You'll remember her from real houses oc she was the level headed nurse. She married her marine husband. They left the state and moved away. And I'm not put on TV since. He had told another housewife, older mother could to get her feet off the couch or the coffee table. And it was a very disturbing scene. And he was like, this is my couch. And everyone was like, what? Anyway, they went away, they have four kids, they got all healthy and they like people really like following them and they're still together and whatever. An article came out that said that he was arrested for domestic violence. It is all completely not true. And Brianna had to go on her Instagram to show that this photo of him that they took him and they photoshopped his head on someone in an orange jumpsuit that. And she zoomed in and said like, he. This person that he put his face on has a little small earring. And like she jokingly said, you know, like, you can say a lot of things about us and our marriage at our couple, whatever, but my husband doesn't have a tiny little hoop earring and never would. So it was kind of funny. But I, I don't like it when people say, oh, you know, this person got fired or that housewives. I'm like, where did you see that? I saw, I saw an article. I saw a new news article about it. It's not true. They can just write whatever they want. It's just a, like an Instagram account that makes it look like it's a news article. And I do really feel badly that they had to, that she had to deal with this where she was like getting texts from friends like, I'm so sorry, are you okay? And it all isn't true. And so a lot. And I've made the mistake of where I've, you know, I get so much information sent to me and I do these shows and it's just pop culture and whatever. And I've made the mistake where it's like literally an Onion article, which is one thing, which is kind of funny, but I now be. Have to be like, now wait a minute, like, you know, and I don't like to repost those things in my groups or anything until I've researched it because there are these fake like Housewife Bravo type of accounts that look like they're legit. Anyway, that story is not true. And I thought that was interesting. JLO has her residency, she did a New Year's Eve show in Las Vegas and Perez Hilton went to go see it. And he said, it's fabulous. And he thought it was a great show. And of course, just like when Adele was doing her residency, you see so much video of it, Madonna, Taylor, that I'm like, gosh, I wish they would, like, honestly take. I mean, I know Dave Chappelle does this, and I know Stan oftentimes want the phones to be taken away, but it's too bad that they can't insist that these phones be taken away. Maybe they think it helps sell tickets, but I feel like I want it to be, like, a surprise. And so she looks great. And this one video that someone filmed went viral about her saying, I've been singing this song since I was a little girl. I've been seeing it since I was. It was then I sang it again in 1999. And, you know, she talks about how looking for love. And then she even said, oh, my God, this is like church. Because, like, her band is like, like, playing in the back, and she's talking and she's like, I'm preaching. And, like, you need to find love. You need to be respected. And if we're going to have, like, for men and women alike, like, find that person that loves you. And I'm like, oh, my God, get to the song. Like, it was a lot of talking, just like Adele and this. Then she sings Elvis's Since My Baby Left Me. So she's kind of doing a Luann thing where she's, like, doing other people's songs. Anyway, I think she's super entertaining and gorgeous to look at. I love all of her pop songs. I would like to go to her residency in Vegas. And I think, you know, of course, she also, like, saw. Oh, the haters don't want me to wear this outfit. Well, look at this ass and, like, shakes it. And again, I'm like, you're JLo. Don't. Don't even acknowledge the haters. Just do your singing and dancing. Give people a great show. And, you know, and your shitty year of 24, 25, it's all behind us. It's 26. Shake your ass and sing Elvis. Oprah is on the COVID of People. The Truth about my weight Loss. We know she used glps. She looks amazing. But the comments were so funny when I didn't even realize it. Comments were like, I have been hearing about this woman's weight loss and her weight since I was, like, 10 years old. And I'm like, oh, my God, you're right. It's been going on ever since she was from the Moment she entered our living rooms on tv, it was that she was a larger woman, that she lost weight, that she brought the weight, all 67 pounds of fat, she pulled out in this red wagon and she brought the doctor out. And that was some drug that didn't have the longevity that a GLP one had. And she gained it back. Then she lost another way. Then she gained it back. And Kirstie Alley, too. Like, it used to be constant. Now I enjoy eating cake and I don't give a shit, and I'm just gonna wear a moo moo. And now I'm skinny and, you know, but it sells magazines and it gets people talking because everybody, very few people are like a hundred percent. Like, I love every inch of my body. There isn't one thing I'd change. I don't know anybody that is truly like that. Even fitness people that have a perfect body are probably like, oh, I don't like my pinky. Or I wish my ankle was, you know, bigger or smaller, or like, my second toe is longer than my first. Like, everybody has something. So that's why it's a big deal. Nick Cannon, as you know, has several, several baby mamas. Mariah Careb, Mariah Carey being one of them. He's these twins that are very cute, by the way. And he was in Aspen with those twins and Bri from selling Sunset and their cute son. They did a whole photo shoot together. But also several of his other baby mamas did very fancy, like, Christmas card type photo shoots with him with, like, gowns looking in different places. And he went. He did every single one. He did every single one. And I'll never forget when I was at a dinner with Kim Kardashian. Yes, I'm name dropping. And she was dating him and he had propositioned her to be the mother of his children. And he's like. I'm like, are you getting married? No, he just wants to be the mother. He wants me to be the mother of his children. He said he'd buy me a house at Hinton Hills. And that was before the Kardashians had their TV show. And I was like, please don't do that. Like, you are bound for greatness. I don't know what it is. At the time, she was gonna be on the Style Network to, like, styling stars closets before they got their own TV show. But so this was his goal all along, was to have several different baby mamas all around that, like, are okay with it. I don't know. It's very. It's like a sister wife situation. And by the way, Cody and Christine are related somehow. And I heard it was through marriage and then I heard no. 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It's just a few dollars a month and there's over a thousand with the link 1100 episodes now on my Patreon all commercial free. Now let's get into my very juicy interview with up and Adam. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have returned guests. You know you love him. Up and Adam. It's Adam. And I am very excited to talk to you because you are the star of the documentary, what is it called? The cult of Mary Cosby and of a housewife.
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Yeah.
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And I really, I mean, it was great. You had told me about it before. You said as we were talking about our Bravo conversations, freaking out because the trailer is dropping. And I think you had told me that you were working on something. So I want to get a little bit the inside scoop from you. I know that obviously you do great, you know, coverage of housewives and pop culture, but you had done an interview with Mary's mother prior to her passing. Can you tell a little bit about how you contacted them and how that interview went? Because it was also featured on the dock.
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Well, first, thank you. Love you guys. And second, it was weird. I was doing an interview with Dan Cosby years ago. Like, I move all the time, Heather, and I think it was like five moves ago. And Dan Cosby, I did an interview with him. He reached out to me and let's.
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Just tell people who is Dan? Dan Cosby's in it. But he, he is her first cousin. Like, how are they really? How's Dan Cosby related to Mary Cosby?
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Honestly, at this point, I believe it's a cousin, but it's been so long.
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Yeah.
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And when he reached out, I was like, yeah, definitely, I want to do this. And I was on my way to Margaritaville, so I was like, yeah, I'll do this before we go do Jimmy Buffett, whatever.
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Oh, like a concert. You're Just going to go to a market.
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Wait, like they had Margaritaville, like little resorts in Orlando.
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Oh, okay, okay.
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And so I was like, two pina coladas, you know? And so then after that, after we did this whole conversation, he reached out and he was like, do you want to talk to Roslyn? And I'm like, I don't know who that is. And he said, mary's mom? And I was like, yeah. He said, mary's mom knows who you are. I talked to her. And so I was thinking in my head, that's a little odd, but sure, like, if she's willing to meet me. So we ended up setting it up. He gave me her phone number. And also Mark Cazares, who was Mary Cosby's stepfather. I ended up reaching out. It was so uncomfortable. Very, very awkward. So we agree for me to fly out to Salt Lake City. I fly out to Salt Lake City. Jason said, I can't make this trip. Normally.
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Jason's your husband.
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Jason's my husband. Just like you with your husband. You know how you guys do everything together. Normally my husband is with me. And so I go out to Salt Lake City, and Jason's like, I can't make this trip. You know, we have nobody to watch the animals. We have five animals. We're a zoo. And I was like, okay, I can do this. So we end up sending me out to Salt Lake City. I go out to meet Mark Cazares and Rozzy. And when I did, I get inside the house, There is nothing in the house. Literally not no furniture. There's nothing in the refrigerator, Nothing. And I walked outside and I said, can I just have, like, one second? I'm just gonna call and find out where the videographer is. And I. I had to get like a third party videographer. And he was like, yeah, yeah, that's fine. So I step outside and I call Jason. And I was like, something's wrong. Like, something is not right here. And he was like, what do you mean? And I said, I just feel like something is, like, really off. And he's like, Adam, you're always about intuition. But, like, we already paid for, like, the hotel and the flights. Like, just go in there and do what you have to do.
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Because I kind of. At that point, you wanted your husband to be like, yeah, get the out of there. Did you kind of want someone else to just tell you, like, to leave?
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I wanted somebody to, like, validate. Yes. If you have, you know, like an intuitive feeling, then.
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Right, right.
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So I asked him, I said, may I Use the restroom. And he's like, you're not allowed to go downstairs. I said, okay. I said, so is there another restroom? He said, you can use the. The restroom in my room. And I said, okay. He said, rossi's in her room. So they slept in different rooms. I went into his room. There was a blown. Like, a blown up air mattress and just, like, a blanket on top of it. And when I went into the bathroom, I moved the shower curtain. There was no soap, no shower. Like shampoo, no shower conditioner, no nothing. There was no toothbrush, nothing. And I was like, okay.
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And were they. Did they say this was their home?
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They said it was their home.
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Oh, that's so weird. Yeah.
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There was only one big, massive photo of mama. And then do you know how, like, when you go to a picnic or kind of like a barbecue and they have those, like, white plastic chairs that people kick the bottoms out of when they prank each other? It was like, two of those.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, well, that's weird. And he said, rossi should be out soon. I'm like, okay. Later, I found out they were hiding things in the basement, apparently. And what kind of things? So apparently, they were hiding things related to their church that they branched off of when they left the Faith Temple Pentecostal Church. And I'm not exactly what was. I'm not sure what was being hidden, but what kind of, like, blows my mind was whatever they were hiding, they didn't want me to find out. And then they were being investigated, so it was. It was just.
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A
They were being investigated by whom? By, like, the feds. Oh.
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B
And so then he went on the run. The stepfather. Right.
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A
After what year? What year is all this? Approximately. Like, do you remember?
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B
It was probably about a year and a half ago. Yeah.
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A
Oh. I felt like it was longer than that. No. Okay. That you did this interview. That you did this interview.
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B
Oh, oh, oh. For. The interview is probably about two. Two and a half years, but.
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A
And then a year. A year and a half ago. He went on the run.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And when did she understand that?
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B
I did the documentary. Yeah.
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A
And when did she die?
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B
I think she died about a year and a half to two years ago. Yeah.
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A
So she died and then he went on the run.
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B
He went on the run.
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A
And do you know what she died from?
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B
I. I think that they tried to say that it was natural causes. Like, she just died from old age.
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A
But if she wasn't old, though, she wasn't that old.
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B
Well, if you saw her in the interview, there were so many Moments that Jason and I, my husband, we had to edit out, especially when we brought up, like, the Jen Shaw of it all. All kinds of things, because there were many moments where she was just. We cannot put them on there. It was aggressively. I don't even know what words to use.
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A
Well, what was her. What was her feelings towards it? I mean, in the documentary with. When they show that video of where she freaks out, so mama has died. Now it's. She knows that her daughter is supposed to marry him, and she says, like, this is not the way the church should be and everything. She kind of has. She's, like, escorted out. They, like, call the police. And Mary kind of refers to that, I think in the show where she's like, I'm estranged from my mom because she, like, threw a fit at the church and was escorted out by police. And so we see that in the documentary. And. And it does seem a lot from the mom's perspective that, oh, yes, I miss my daughter, but a lot of jealousy in that. She was left with nothing, no inheritance. And her daughter, basically, even though it was through marriage and a creepy thing, her daughter got all the businesses and the church, and the mother was just skipped over and probably had, you know, struggled. So it does seem a little bit when you're watching it, that it does seem like a lot of people are, you know, jealous and angry about money.
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B
I actually. I think for her, the whole time, I think that there. Before she passed away, I think that there were elements that showed maybe Alzheimer's or dementia, like, something. And I hate to say this about anyone, especially somebody who's not here anymore. Something was not right. And she just kept on saying. She was like, oh, Adam, I love you. And she's like, how is my Mary? It's my Mary. Good. You think she's gonna see this? She's gonna see it, right? She's like, oh, I love Mary. And I just. I'm gonna watch her tonight. And I'm like, you're not watching. Like, nothing's coming on tonight. And she's like. So she just kept on repeating things that did not make sense.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah, well. And she would lean into things that also were. It was just. It was so abrupt the way that she said it. But I don't. I. I think that it was a mixture of. Yes. Do I think that the family members were jealous in some capacity that Mary Cosby was inheriting everything that they probably thought that they were. Sure. Because, like, even in my own interview with them, they tried to sue Mary Cosby and Robert Cosby Senior for their part of what they thought the inheritance was. So they were definitely fighting for something. But then the other part of me thinks that it's a mother who felt like her stepfather, who is Robert Cosby Sr. Used the congregation and the. The ideology of God. You know, whether you believe or you don't, coming down and saying you were supposed to marry my daughter, I think that affected her, too. So I think that it was a multitude of different things. It's. It's very. It's very odd.
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A
Yeah. I. In watching it, you know, it is. I'd forgotten that she actually didn't go to the second reunion because that's when all this stuff originally came out with her berating her Audi, her congregation, about not giving her enough money and all of that. And then I forgot that she wasn't part of it. Of season three.
- [39:19]
B
Yeah. So when she actually decided to step away, a lot of people thought it was because Robert Cosby Sr. Had a big voice. And the fact that people were questioning what was going on behind the scenes with the congregation, with the church, and I truly do think that was a part of it. You know, I spoke to you about this a little bit. I ended up going to the church when I went to go interview Mary Cosby's mother and her stepfather. And when I went to the church, I wrote on a bird. If people don't know what that is, it's like those little scooters that you just like. Yeah, you know, like, do your Apple pay, whatever.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so I show up, and it's snowing, and I set up my phone against the tree outside of it, and I was going to take, like, a photo, and this woman comes out, and she goes, what are you doing? And I was like, oh, I'm just a big fan of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. And she was like, oh, okay. All right. Well, she's like, so you're a fan of Mary? And I was like, yeah, I'm a fan of Mary. Awkward. And she was like, mary will rise again. And I was like, why is the place boarded up? And she said, well, the place is boarded up because the foundation needs to be retrofitted. And so we're gonna have Mama Mary come back at some point. But then if you watch the show, the place was not boarded up because the foundation needed to be retrofitted or whatever.
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A
This woman basically said, mama, Mary is coming back like Jesus Christ, but so is Mary Cosby coming back like Jesus Christ, because she said she'll rise again.
- [41:03]
B
She was calling Mary Cosby Mama Mary.
- [41:06]
A
Oh, okay.
- [41:07]
B
So it was so confusing. And then. So I. I was like, just, like, baffled. And then I was like, okay. And then you watch the show and they're doing all of these renovations, but then if you compare the renovations to when you first saw when Jen Shaw went on Mother's Day, it doesn't look like anything changed. Like, I don't understand what the renovations were.
- [41:31]
A
I'm surprised that she even bothered to ever go back to the church and preach. I mean, if I was her, I would have just come back, let the church. Let the church fold, and, you know, make people forget that I ever was ever a leader. And I, you know, had she not talked about it all, had we not seen. Seen her do that one day of church where they all come and she's. And everyone's cheering her on and, oh, isn't this great? And even Andy Cohen goes, oh, it was. My favorite episode ever is seeing Mary preach. I'm like, regardless of the doc that hasn't come out yet, does everyone forget that all this. Everything anybody that followed it, saw, saw, knew about all this stuff three years ago, you know, and. And then when she came back, it's like, yeah, the. The Bravo audience has a memory of a pee. Like, they. Nobody cares. Nobody remembers. And that's fine. You know, that's fine if you're just entertained by her weirdness because I mentioned now her. Her Instagram profile, it starts out with event planner, then Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, spiritual entrepreneur or something like.
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B
It.
- [42:52]
A
It's not even. There's nothing about her church. Like, I think maybe it says preacher at the end, but it's like she's. Oh, fragrance. So I joke that she's probably going to do, like, a holy water perfume, like a Grandam perfume, whatever. So she's fashion. It's like she's getting into all these other things, which she should. And either she'll just never really address this doc, which she did one video of, like, life Stop Bothering Me. Like a video.
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B
Yeah.
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A
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B
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A
Whether you're Blake Lively and Ryan, whether you're anybody that's just done something bad, you can always say, I got sucked into this world. I had to marry my step grandfather. I had his child. I wasn't going to leave, but we kind of led separate lives. I got on the Housewives and I, I still love the church and love the people I met, but it's not where I'm at anymore. And now we're getting divorced. That's what I think is going to happen. That's my prediction.
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B
Here's the thing too, though. You can't say that you love the people of the church when there's audio that comes out with you talking to the people of, like, you're lazy and you will never see God and you will never be. But then she goes on the show and she talks about how disgusted she is laying under her step grandfather. Like him being this like, bigger. She's like, ugh, God, get him away from me. Yeah, you know, so what you're obsessed with and what you love is definitely the lifestyle. And I'm not sure as somebody who has a prenup with my husband, because I do. I don't know if that's public. I've never even thought to think about that at all. But I do wonder if they have a prenup and if she acts like, if she acts on a divorce and she actually walks away from it, does she lose what is in that prenup if she publicly talks about it? I'm not sure because I look at Bronwyn Newport and like, you married the Crypt Keeper as well. Okay, you married this guy Todd whoever from Microsoft or BlackBerry or Blueberry or whatever the. I don't even know. And you came on because you wanted to find your own identity and you wanted to find a career and something that worked for you that would separate you from him. And you did it and we see it and it's very obvious what you did. But girl, you had a plan, you executed. I'm not even mad at you.
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A
Housewives. Yeah, same thing. Housewives really is a way for transactional gold digging marriages to give women an out without having to like go work at Nordstrom. Like, I don't want to be a realtor. I don't want to work in retail.
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B
Unless you're Gretchen Rossi. And then you don't need it because then it's.
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A
Because you never got married, you mean?
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
But no, it's, it's, it is interesting. And it's like with with her. I mean, she. Yeah. And also in the video, in the documentary, when the guy's like, yeah, I'm the one that brought her Cameron who died. I'm the one that. That met someone and said they're looking for someone for Real Housewives. And she was all about it. Which, yeah, I think that when you are someone. From what they said, from her high school life, she liked the money, she liked being on stage. She, like. It's. That's the other thing about the housewives. They're all women that, like, had fantasies about being a TV star or whatever it is, famous person, a movie star. But none of them, very few did the work. Some, like a Nene Leaks was kind of auditioning and things like that. And of course, the Beverly Hills girls actually had careers. But, like, a lot of them, you know, they don't really pursue it. They get married and they. They get the joy of just shopping and being rich. And now here's this thing just thrown in their lap. And it's like everything that they dreamt about that they didn't really work very hard for. And so I don't think she was ever thinking, oh, my shady church practices will be exposed. I think she was just like, great, I just get to be a star. This will be so fun.
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B
I think two things. I think one, Andy Cohen said it the best on watch what happens live when he said every reality TV person, like, you guys all have an element of narcissism where you are fighting for camera attention, right? You want to be on camera. But then also I think that Dorinda Medley said it right, too, where she was like, if you're going to put yourself on camera and put your family and put yourself like, in the forefront of all of this scrutiny from all of these fans, millions of viewers, streaming, not streaming, live viewers, whatever, then you better make sure you have no skeletons. I think that both of those things that you have, you kind of have to like, weigh them like a scale. And I don't think that Mary Cosby did that. I think that Mary Cosby was very conditioned through her church to be very godlike, where people were like, you are amazing. You are beautiful. You are everything. You want a hundred thousand dollars, I will pull out a second mortgage. You are, please. Yes. And speaking in tongues and all kinds of. Where you're doing heave tithings. You are putting people in front of the church doors at the end of, you know, like the. Whatever. I don't even know what service. Thank you. I don't. I never Went to church. My dad always said, son, we do church of the holy huddle on Sundays when we watch the Dolphins game. That was like our church. We never went to church. Church. And so you would put people at the doors and they would make sure that nobody walked out until you did these heave tithings where you would have to pay. And if you didn't pay like fifteen hundred dollars or twenty five hundred or fifty thousand or a hundred thousand, then she would scream at you, which we heard in the audio, where she would be like, you are poor. You will never see the same God that I see you will never see. And it's like, what are we listening to?
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A
So in this thing, I mean, what I always wonder with this, because being raised Catholic, nuns take a vow. Poverty. Priests take a vow of poverty. You know, they. Maybe the dealer in town gives them all little cars to, to drive, but like they don't have any. I've always been fascinated by people that give money to the pastor. When you see that they're wearing, you know, two thousand dollar shoes when they could very easily be wearing a hundred dollar pair of shoes. Like, how does someone. Did any of the people in it like just go, yeah, we saw her drenched in Gucci and diamonds and everything as she stood up there. But I still wanted to give my money from being a bus driver tour. Like, I just don't get how that happened. Same thing with Giselle's husband who's a pastor. Like.
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B
Yeah, God.
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A
And she was a first lady and now she's, she's not really religious or anything. Giselle, like, it's just so weird to me.
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B
You know, what I want to say about the Mary Cosby thing is that I think people recognize that she was wearing designer goods and you know, like she kept everybody outside of her home. People did not come to her mansion or the Orlando home or the Vegas home.
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A
Except the worker. Except the 81 year old maid. Except for the maid that died and she was. And, and the things that she would say to her.
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B
Oh, she, she treated her like complete garbage.
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A
Like a slave.
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B
Like a slave. But then I think it was when the congregation actually watched the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. And then you see Mary Cosby and she's like doing a house tour and she's like, guys, welcome to one of my many rooms inside of our mansion. This elaborate mansion where we have three, four rooms. And these are my Hermes Birkins and that is my Chanel. Don't touch that. These are my Gucci and it's like, so I think that even in the documentary, like, members of the congregation, they touched on the fact that, like, they did not know that she had all of this stuff, because the whole time when they were doing the heave tithings and like these, you know, asking of the congregation for more money, they were saying it was for the church, for things for the church. They were not seeing things that were happening to the church. But then Mary Cosby would disappear and they would say, well, Mary has to go through some things. And she would go to New York City, allegedly, this is what they were saying. And they had a penthouse in New York City. And she was getting her skin lightened and she was getting plastic surgery done to her face. This is what they were claiming. And things done with the money that was coming through the tie things. It wasn't.
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A
It wasn't also the, the other homes and stuff through the businesses that Mama started. Like, I thought that was pretty impressive. When they talked kind of about Mama's life, I'm like, this girl was like a pretty great business woman. Like, she started hair salons and restaurants and mortgage companies. Yeah. So could. Couldn't she argue that? Because in that one reunion, Mary goes, you've seen my church. It's 300 people. I couldn't live like this off of 300 people.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So some of them did. Some of them actually ever give their house to her.
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B
So what they did, what they would do is they would pull out second mortgages. And some of them allegedly did. I guess they took out like a hundred, two hundred, three hundred thousand on their homes. But they would do it through the mortgage company that Mama left behind to Robert Cosby Senior. And so anything that he inherited through marriage, Mary Cosby also inherited. And so, yeah, there were multiple businesses, but. But she did, she. She expanded very quickly through the church through money that was coming in. But the funny thing is, is that the congregation had nothing bad to say about Rosemary Mama Cosby. They always felt like she was good hearted. She was trying to help them. She wanted to open a mortgage company to help members of the congregation also get their home. She wanted to open hair salons so they wouldn't have to pay as much. She always did everything business wise in a positive way to help people. That was, that was the ideology behind it. But then the minute that unfortunately she passed away, Robert Cosby senior, he came in and he took over these businesses and he started to use them for bad.
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A
You know what I wonder is, was there anything in writing or said where Mama actually said, I Want you to. To marry one of my girls, quote, unquote.
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B
Like, no, no, there wasn't. I learned that in my interview. And also too, there was a will that. This is according to Mary's mom that she told me that I had to cut out because of the names that she called Jen Shaw in the interview. So I had to cut this, like, clip out because it didn't make sense. If I would have left it in. It wasn't like, very like, you know what I mean, cohesive. It. It didn't make sense. But when she went on this, like, whole tangent, she explained that there was a will. What? From what she was saying, and the will shared that she wanted all of her kids to have her businesses and she wanted X amount to go to her husband. But the will was. It was, you know, drafted up but never actually signed. And so since it wasn't signed, it was Roslyn and her sisters versus Robert Cosby and Mary Cosby. For years, like, they fought in court. So there's a ton of court documents that people can look up now. And it was just a whole fight where they were trying to fight for the businesses, for some of the money. And they lost completely. Like, everybody lost except for Robert Cosby Senior, because essentially he was the husband, right, Mama? And he was married to Mary. And Mary didn't really have a dog in the fight except for the fact that she married Robert Cosby Senior. But all of the kids, the heirs, they felt, well, our mom left us businesses and money. And it was in a will. She never signed it. She had it drafted up, did not sign it when she submitted it.
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A
Well, also the fact, also the fact that Mary was already married to someone else, and then they just forced him, according to the doc, to get divorced so that that would make her free to marry him. There must have been some type of romance because she did have his child. So at one time, whatever. But I wasn't surprised to hear the Cameron's testimony where he said I was seeing her romantically or whatever. I'm like, yeah, I don't, you know this. I don't think she was in love with Robert. And then there was that one part where he was behind her, like on a screen in the reunion. And she's like, don't be like that and don't embarrass me. Like, I think she's like, I don't want this guy around doing the show anymore either. But I mean, I was like, when she went back to do the church, she was like, oh, you know, I Feel like I'm back. Like, it's been so long I'm back and I'm like, you know, a real preacher would. If their church was burned down and they were doing other things, they would go and preach other places. They wouldn't go three years without preaching. It's just so weird. It's so weird. And then that they all go and like. Like, have you heard from any other. Other housewives that listen? They're part of a show. And it's very. You know, you fight with people, but you don't want to have full enemies because you never want to be in a position where you're on an island by yourself and they have a reason to cut you. So I'm imagining. It's probably very weird that all this is coming out again because I think the other cast members have felt, okay, it's over with. She's scary, she's mean, but she's being nice now. And the show is on the top rated shows. Let's play along with Mary. And I'm sure they're like, calling each other, going, now, what have you heard from any of them?
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B
So I'm gonna again add two things here. One, I've talked to a few of the housewives, and they. It kind of seems like they're all terrified, and they're like, we don't want to mess with people's faith. Because then at the point where people think that maybe they believed in something and they've really invested into something and they find out that that might be a farce, that they might do something that's harmful either to themselves or to other people. So I think that they don't want to invest into that. But then two, have you met Mary or.
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A
No, I have never met her. I thought she had blocked me, but I guess she didn't. But no, I. We were at that. That Kathy Hilton party together when she brought Angie, but I had not spoken to her at that event. I kind of just acted like I didn't see her because I was sort of scared. And I think I'd already talked about her weird church.
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B
That's when I met her. So it was right after. That was right after my interview came out with her mother and her stepfather. And she was like, Adam. And it was like the same teeth that I have. Like, I feel like we went to the same doctor. And it's like Adam, like, big white smile. And I was like, not me. Like, you must have the wrong person. And she. She came over and she hugged me, and she's Like, I just love you, my sweet Adam. I love you, and you're amazing. How are you, Adam? Are you doing good? I just love you, Adam. You don't ever stop what you're doing. And I'm like, you just messaged me on TikTok like, a week and a half ago telling me to, like, literally go kick rocks and destroy myself. What are you talking about? So what I'm kind of seeing is that there's a little bit of charisma, like this charismatic personality that is inside that she weaponizes or uses to her advantage to kind of sway you to benefit herself, being like, I got. I love you. You're on my side, right? But then when they talked about in the documentary, like, the rage texting, and then they. They went over to Whitney Rose, right? Going through, like, all of the, you know, rage texts. I can see that too, because I didn't get rage texts. I got rage DMS on Tick tock. And then, you know, like, you go into person and it's like, how are you, Adam? You're doing good. And then in, like, the Tick Tock dms, it was like, you, mother. And I was like, I don't want to see her. So I did the same thing at the Kathy Hilton party. I looked at her and I was like, beeline it this way. And then she came and she, like, pulled me, and I was like, oh, no, I'm done. I'm gonna be hit by the Lord and it's going down.
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A
I also thought an interesting part was a very memorable scene by Mary that shows her weird quirkiness. So, of course, all these moments are gold for the producers. And it's when she shows up at Whitney's house and she was like, a. A prisoner in my church got died. She flew out of the. What did she say? The sky roof or something? The. What do you call it? Like, the sunroof. Sunroof. She flew out of the sunroof into a neighborhood, and girls like, is she okay? Did she die? Yeah. So wear your seatbelt now. All I want to say is in her defense, because we haven't defended her at all. You are being filmed. That could have been edited.
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B
Where?
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A
Your seat belt could have come 10 minutes after. We don't know. We don't know if there was a moment where Mary was like, I just, you know, I feel so terrible. She was a wonder. She was a young mom. She had two kids. We don't know.
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B
Right.
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A
You know, the way they edit it, it's like. So then sadly, this young girl who did have two children, was part of the church. Her father and her aunt and uncle. And everybody was just horrified to watch that scene because made it sound like she was mocking it or making fun of it. But she is weird and awkward. And I just. Sometimes I just do. I do feel badly for people on reality shows because if you're supposed to just live your life and you're just walking around and talking and you can't edit yourself, they. They can edit. But then when I heard that she never reached out as the church just to send flowers, to do whatever it could be, say just something nice, you know, maybe do a collection for her or, you know, not charge for a funeral, whatever. She didn't do anything. She never contacted any of those people. And they were all current active members of her church. So that's when I was like, that's all I need to know. But I just. That place, you know, things are edited to look quirky and weird too, you know?
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B
Yeah. And I think that what you're saying is. I mean, obviously it's absolutely correct and you know this better than I do. You're friends with, like, everyone. And when it comes to her having these conversations about this, I think it says a lot when the members of the congregation who were pulled in to do the documentary are claiming that people from the congregation were trying to do gofundmes for this girl, for her family, for a proper burial and, you know, like, giving back to the family after this, like, huge tragedy. And what they were claiming was that she was trying to block them from doing it. And she was telling them, like, if you guys are going to give back to her and them and this family, then I'm good on you. But they were claiming it was because she wanted those funds for her church.
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A
Right. That's pretty awful. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, that could be. I don't know. I mean, what is she going to do? I think she's kind of doing the right thing and just saying it's all lies because, like, you're going to defend each thing. It's so damaging. Like, the only thing I can think of that she should do is to just sell the property and just be done with the church. I think that's the only. If I was. Bravo. I. That's like what I would say.
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B
You're not gonna do that.
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A
Oh, yeah, you're right. I guess. I don't know. I also. You're right. I guess it's tax free. So I guess all she has to do is have one Ceremony a year or one service a year and then still get some money and then, yeah, everything is a write off. Yeah, you're right.
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B
The best way to. And I'm not saying that they are funneling money. It is the best way. I want to open a church now, literally, like I want to open the United up in Adam, Holy Sunday Church of Me, like, and get a tax write off. I don't know. But like, truly there are tax benefits to it, right? And then if you think about it, there is something that when you are in this state, you know, it's, it kind of goes hand in hand with what Andy Cohen said about these reality TV stars. Like, there is an element of narcissism. So they are all fighting. Like, Jax Taylor, I'm the number one guy in this group. No, Tom Sandoval, I'm the number one guy in this group. Now James Kennedy, I'm the number one guy. But it's like for her, she is the number one woman in this group. So that feeds an ego. You get the tax free. You have people who are just like, yes, Queen, you are everything. And then you have these like little random fun gifts where people are just like contributing to you. She is not going to get rid of that at all. I mean, it just all benefits her. What I don't understand though, on the other side of it is how much, based off of what I've heard from members of the congregation and even former members of the congregation, like, how much are you actually involved in the church? Because I believe she was really heavily involved before she started Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. And now from my understanding, she's not involved really at all. So when she shows up, people are kind of like, oh my God. And that's what the woman said to me when I showed up at the, you know, outside the church when it was all boarded up, they were like, mary will rise again. And I'm like, where the did she go?
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A
I, I have a question. So, you know, I forgot as they showed the clips of all the girls, Lisa Barlow, they're all telling on, on Mary about how awful she's treated her congregation and everything. You were you. Have you heard from any of them or have any scoop when they got the word that she was coming back, were they scared? Were they just smart enough to know that they better play along and get their air time and have their fun and not piss her off and just make good TV so that the show is a united effort and stays on the air? Like, what is, you know, what do you.
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B
They were both.
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A
Yeah.
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B
No, I. I mean, so I have. Until everything happened with Whitney. I have.
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A
Just to remind people, with Whitney, it was that you were blamed for saying that Lisa.
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B
Lisa Barlow was the one who.
- [70:24]
A
Explain it, like, quickly. What. What was that story? I don't remember.
- [70:28]
B
Whitney went on and said that I made up this lie, that Lisa Barlow ended up exposing the fact that her jewelry line was sourced from Alibaba.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Which was not true. And I have all of the text messages. I really struggled with that because I have strong relationships with a lot of Bravo people, and I've never shared a text message ever. Like, I just don't even do that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, so I. I struggled with, like, kind of defending myself or not and seeing how it played out the rest of the season. And it played out in, like, an okay way where I was fine not doing that. And when I saw Whitney at Kathy Hilton's party, there was somebody who was another blogger or YouTuber or podcaster or whatever people call it. I don't know, because everybody's so offended by it, who recorded it. And I called her out about it, and she was like, adam, you know that I was best friends with your husband. And I was like, what's his name? And she goes, adam, I just had to walk the blue carpet. And I was like, what the. Does that mean? What's my husband's name? You were best friends? And she's like, adam, I can't think right now. I said, whitney, shut up. And she goes, adam, you know this is for tv, right? Like, you need to relax. And I'm like, no, you went on Watch what Happens Live and said that I lied about something, which I didn't lie about, and you're lucky that I'm not sharing the text messages. So it kind of went back to that. But going back to what was the original question?
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A
The original question was, how did they feel when they heard she was coming back? Were they. Did they think it was good for the show or they terrified for themselves? Themselves? Or they're like, we all just better play in the sandbox together if we're gonna succeed.
- [72:20]
B
I think it's one of two things based off of the conversations that I had with them. I think one was, it's kind of like, let's just use New York as a comparison. Like, Ramona is probably a pain in the ass. Right. But, you know, she's good. You know, she's good for the show. You know, she's gonna deliver, and it is what it is. Do you necessarily want to work with her. Some people probably might get annoyed. I think for Mary Cosby, they knew she was going to deliver, like the memes and the quirkiness and the just silly little antics that were going to drive ratings. But then also the difference was, was that Mary Cosby, especially coming off of the pandemic, and it wasn't that far after when they started filming. You're coming off of a time where it can be incredibly problematic for a white woman to go up against somebody of color. And she is a woman of color, and these are white women. And so if you are going to stand up against her, the first initial thing that people are going to say is you're standing up against her because you are being a racist. And so that. That really paved a way of fear, I think, for the rest of the cast to not say the same things that they would say to each other out of fear, trying to protect themselves, like within the network and make sure that they protected their position only. Do you understand what I'm saying?
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A
Like, no, I totally.
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B
I totally not say the same things to her that they say to each other.
- [73:53]
A
And that's like a brave. But you're right. I think it is true, especially like in post 2020 world. And also I think people have a lot of sympathy for her because she put her son on camera who is struggling with drugs, which I have been critical of, because I'm like, he probably has a lot of anxiety and use that day because you told him the cameras are coming at 4, like, he shouldn't be on camera.
- [74:20]
B
I'm starting to wonder too, if she also manipulated him to be on camera for that. The same way that the congregation was manipulated into giving the money. But also based off of what the congregation said, she was on drugs at that age. That's why she was disfellowshipped. So are you just looking at her son with a wig? But just 20 years prior, there's so many questions.
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A
Yeah, I mean, but, you know, people at home, so many people struggle with a young adult child that is struggling with drugs. So I think that she gained a lot of sympathy from the fans there, you know, and she just. Yeah, she. She is funny. She is good tv. But I'm all. But also, you know, the show is entertainment. They are not elected officials. They are not, you know, people that we should take, you know, adv. Any kind of advice from. They're literally re. You know, women that are willing to be ridiculous, jump in the water with their spanx on, show their tits, grab each other's boob, you know, tongue kiss their husband and paint. I don't know. You know what I mean? Like all the crazy stuff that they, and, and then now you're in this category and you got to make the best of it. You don't want it to end because what else are you gonna do? Like, it's, it's like these golden handcuffs of the reality world. It's you really. And it's very hard to actually made it on, like a spin off or done their own thing besides Lisa Vanderpump, it's like nobody. So you want to stay on the show as long as possible because a spin off isn't going to happen.
- [76:00]
B
I think that the only person, to be honest with you, no matter what they say, I feel like Meredith Marks would probably be the only one who would be very content with, you know, if you cut me tomorrow, it's fine. I think that she comes from money. I've gone, you know, like, I went out in Palm beach with Meredith. I went out on, you know, boats and jet skis with her. And I've seen her in Salt Lake City and New York and LA and Vegas and, you know, like, the woman lives very lavishly. And I, I, I think that she comes from family money. I'm not really sure.
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A
Or, you know, I, I, I did a mistake because I did a little. I believe she's spending 70, 000 salt lake rental. Like, we know what you get paid. Salt Lake City rental. Why are you doing that? And anyway, it was a clip. And I was just like doing one of my rants of like, you know, housewife consulting, like 101. Like, you shouldn't spend that much on this rental. Whatever. And then people were like, she's worth whatever, like a hundred million dollars from her family and this. And I was like, well, then by all means, rent the rented for 70 for 100,000 next season. Who cares? There are rumors that she, you know, is either asking for too much or might be coming back as a friend. Because this season people felt she wasn't really bringing it. I disagree. I find her, I just did. Like, like, I disagree. I find I'm very interesting. I, I mean, I don't care what people say. Seth and I are great. Yeah. I mean, I like, she's beautiful, she's interesting, her way of speech. What do you think about this last episode where they're implying that she has a drug addict, a drug addiction problem? Whitney and Mary, I thought that was really, like, really uncool. But again and They've got to do something. So it's like, it's such a, it's such a way to dig at a housewife is to do a thing. And Lisa Rinna did it too, in the famous scene where she's like, my sister died. That's why I care about you, Kim. Because you're clearly. And Kim's like, you, like, it's like, well, I'm just saying this because I'm. He's doing drugs. And it's the ultimate you thing to do on camera. Because I never, I never thought for one moment that Meredith abusing drugs and alcohol.
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B
No.
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A
Until they said it. And then I was like, first of all, she has that weird speech she always has and why moment where you feel like she's been out of it. I mean, and if Sonia, compared to other women we've seen in the Housewife franchise, being high or drunk or whatever, I don't think there's been a moment where Meredith has been out of control. And you know what? If the new girl brought up a tick tock where my husband was cheating on camera, I'd be pissed too.
- [79:02]
B
Right? And also, back that up. Don't bring me a tick tock of some random tick tocker sitting there saying something about my husband. Bring me the text message, bring me the receipts.
- [79:15]
A
And no. Do you know the whole story behind that girl?
- [79:18]
B
No.
- [79:21]
A
Reddit's. She's like, I'm gonna read crazy Reddit comments about housewives. So then they called her and they're like. And she was like, oh my God, yeah, I get to be on tv. So then she did one and I came across my feet where she was like, I never was saying, like, they, they took it out of context. I was, she was never saying that a, she was the Uber driver or her friend was the Uber driver. She was reading a Reddit that anyone can write anything saying, I wasn't, you know, my friend was an Uber driver and Seth was in the back of the car with a girl. And then last episode, Bronwyn says, and he was at a dinner with a, a woman. And I'm like, why couldn't that be enough? You're out in public at dinner. I'm just saying, like, I've had. How many times have I been at dinner with people that are not my husband, that are men? Most of them are gay, but some are not. All the men in my life forget. But like, you know, and it's still, I mean, and I've had people like say, like, say, aren't you guys Separated. Aren't you getting a divorce? And I'm like, no. Like, but, you know, so I can't imagine how heightened it would be when that can be a storyline.
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B
You know, I was just out with women, their husbands and gay men on New Year's Eve, and my husband was in Portland, Oregon, at a monastery. And people were like, why are you here with these random people, especially gay men? Like, what are you. Is everything okay? And I'm like, yeah. He wanted to eat, pray, love, and I wanted to get my booze on and, like, dance on bars. Yes. We had two different journeys for 2026. We are fine.
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A
I. I went to. Yeah, I was at the Rachel Yucate beach with Jill Zarin and, you know, and my husband. And it was the biggest dump ever in Mammoth Sons. And husband wanted to ski.
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B
Yeah.
- [81:21]
A
I've gone and I've done that skiing New Year's Eve in Mammoth over and over and over again. So, like, yeah. But, you know, people love to talk and judge and whatever, and so I can imagine why that'd be annoying, especially if, you know, why would someone freak out that much if it wasn't true, if it was true, if it wasn't. It's a thing to do. And that's what she was reacting to. It's a thing to do. Like, that's it.
- [81:46]
B
Going back to what you said about Mary Cosby and Whitney bringing this up about her being accused of having some sort of substance abuse issues. It's like, you two are why you're putting your son on camera and having him one. Sure. You're sitting here and you're. You're hiding behind the guys of, like, oh, well, this is so helpful to so many people, which it could be. However, he's 20 years old, and, you know, like, when somebody, a future employer, looks him up, they're gonna see where he said, well, I did Klonopins and hydrocodone and cocaine, because life was like unseasoned chicken. And I wanted to add some seasoning. So now that lives on the Internet for forever and also all streaming services. So good job. And then. And I'm not judging her for it, but, like, it will follow him. It will. And we all know that. And then for Whitney, your dad ended up bolting after you were trying to help him and then exposing him in the confessionals as a total drug addict. And he left because he couldn't handle the scrutiny. He couldn't handle any of that. So now, in turn, what you guys are doing, after seeing how this affected two People that you both really, really love. Now, you guys are going to do this to somebody who is on your cast and direct the same energy to somebody after knowing how it affects other people. If I were Meredith, I would be like, you. Yeah, fuck you and fuck off. And. And unless we see her, unless they're hiding some behavior, like, you know, Monica Garcia just came out and she said, allegedly, but she did that whole little dance and she's like, you know, there's a cast member who wants to sit there and allegedly talk about Meredith's drinking and all of that. But they were wheelchaired into the hotel and they had to be wheelchaired out and escorted out into an ambulance to get their stomach pumped. And we all had to stay in our rooms, allegedly. And people believe that that was Heather Gay.
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A
It was Heather Gay at my friend's restaurant.
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B
That's what they believe. Yeah.
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A
Springs.
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B
Was that Trixie?
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A
No, no, it was. It was Copley's restaurant.
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B
Oh, okay.
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A
Yeah. And anyway, that's what. She's sitting outside and they're doing the. She had too many espresso martinis.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Which if you have too many of those, you will puke. Because it's coffee, it's alcohol, it's everything. We know how long those days are. And I know from the waiter there that sets. Wait, start again, talk again, come enter again. So that was like a whole long shoot. So, you know, even if that did happen to her again, so what? Yeah, like, it happens. It's. It happens. Heather has an issue. Either. Either.
- [84:41]
B
Yeah, it's like, so what if it happened to her? But then also, don't put this, the number one driving force behind everything on Meredith. And by the way, listen, if you get fucked up on espresso martinis wanted coffee to its vodka. So, yes, if she's over here in the sprinter van shitting herself and puking at the same time, like, yes, that's going to happen. We're not judging you, but also lay off of other people because everybody gave you Right.
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A
And also, as far as Heather goes, every end but the black eyes, because she still doesn't know about the black guy, because out and woke up with a black eye. We don't know if she woke up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, hit her eye, woke up on the. On the toilet and was like, whatever, crumbled back into bed and then woke up the next day and had a black eye. That totally could have happened. And it most likely wasn't Jen Shaw. But who the knows, you know, it took two books and, and 14 episodes of shows and we still never found out. And a book tour and we still never found. Because the truth, the truth in the second book, it's like, oh, I, I went to the bookstore and I looked it up and it was no. We were so drunk. We were so wasted. I woke up with a black guy.
- [85:58]
B
Yeah. And also you melt. She milked it. But then also my problem with Heather Gay is I. Oh my God. At BravoCon it was so awkward. I was two doors down from her in the same. At the Four Seasons, I was two rooms down. And she does not like me. After the Jinshaw interview, she has this weird, just disdain for me.
- [86:21]
A
And.
- [86:24]
B
What'S wild is when she first started the show, I thought she was going to be my favorite housewife ever. And then what happened was it was like the quintessential like the fame, the attention, the, the whatever it got to your head. You got this big ass. She already had a big ass head and a big jaw. But it made it bigger. It all got bigger. Like you had like, I don't.
- [86:46]
A
Your body got smaller. Butter.
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B
But I said no, right, you, your body got smaller, your head got bigger. Now all of a sudden it's like Heather Bratz doll gay. I don't know what happened. And I'm not sitting here, guys. I'm not shaming body shaming or anything like that because she looks better than I do at this point. So like, good for her. But what I do want to say is you got mean and you lied on an entire production crew and jeopardize their, their jobs. You've lied on multiple people and jeopardize their jobs.
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A
Black guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [87:19]
B
You've also gotten people fired. Her getting Monica Garcia fired over having the, the stupid reality Von Tees thing. My God, give me a break. Guys. If you would have kept Monica around, and I don't even talk to Monica that much, but if you would have kept Monica around, she would have been one of the best housewives. And that's what bothered Heather for sure. Because she would have been a phenomenal housewife. She came in and she said, I fucked my brother in law for 18 months. I got a foreclosure. I hate my ex husband. I hate my mom. This is what's going on. And it was just so open. And Heather was definitely threatened by that. So then Heather started bringing up all of these things in order to get Monica off 1 million percent. It's like you are one part really insecure and two part just very Big headed. Because this has all gotten to you. And now when you have new people come in, like whether it's Bronwyn or Brittany Bateman or anybody, you're like, ladies, we need to unite because we have had people infiltrate this group and we cannot. And it's like, you know what's really.
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A
Interesting before I forget is in. In studying the cults and the, you know, and all this stuff, the fact that Heather Gay had. Where she goes, now we're gonna all say the horrible other and we're gonna read them aloud. I mean, that is like a weird cult. Humiliation goes on to, you know, do the three part cult. She probably is the right person to do it because she was still using. That was some pretty.
- [89:08]
B
But did you notice that he didn't read anything on that episode and nothing was read about her? Did you notice both of those?
- [89:15]
A
Well, or it wasn't shared, but yeah, or.
- [89:18]
B
Or yes, it was. It was edited out.
- [89:21]
A
I love that you were in it and that you came on Juicy scoop. And yeah, this is great.
- [89:29]
B
Thank you.
- [89:30]
A
Follow up.
- [89:30]
B
And Adam, anywhere you guys go, whether it's Instagram, tick tock, YouTube, podcast, it's all just one word up. And Adam.
- [89:40]
A
Yes. I love it.
- [89:41]
B
Thank you guys. I've always been a juicy scooper. Love Juicy Scoop. I love the fact that the first time that I ever went on, we were talking about like your YouTube and you know, like, we. We were like just brainstorming little ideas. And now I see that silver play button behind you, which I love that because that was just. It's the most fun thing to unbox.
- [90:01]
A
Yeah, you.
- [90:03]
B
You so deserve it. And the funny thing is, is I was talking to my brother before this because he was like, well, I have a. I have a little window between four and five. And I said, no, I'm going on with Heather McDonald. And he's like, from E. And I was like, how do you know that? He said we used to. Do you remember, we used to sit there and like smoke and watch. Like that's. Yeah, that was the College Days. That was great.
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A
I love it. Love you.
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B
Love you. Thank you.
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A
Thanks.
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B
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A
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