Real Housewives Breakdown with Zack Peter

Summary

Juicy Scoop Episode Summary: Real Housewives Breakdown with Zach Peter

Release Date: December 3, 2024

In this engaging episode of Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald, hosts Heather McDonald and co-host Zach Peter delve deep into the latest developments and juicy drama surrounding the Real Housewives franchise. The conversation spans multiple seasons and cast members, offering listeners an insider’s perspective on the ever-evolving reality TV landscape.

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Vanderpump Returns and Cast Shake-Ups

The episode kicks off with a hot topic: the return of Vanderpump Rules. Zach Peter shares his excitement and disappointment, noting, “I knew it was coming from some of the people they knew, like a week prior” ([05:39]). However, the new season is set to premiere without any returning cast members, sparking discussions about the show’s future dynamics.

James Kennedy’s Fate:
Heather expresses confidence in James Kennedy’s future, stating, “He’s one of the few on the cast that will be okay after all of this” ([06:09]). Despite rumors and allegations surrounding his past relationships, both hosts agree that James is likely to maintain his presence outside the show, potentially continuing his role as DJ Pauly D rather than returning to reality TV.

The Future of Katie and Ariana

The conversation shifts to Real Housewives of Salt Lake (RHOSL), focusing on the cast members Katie and Ariana. Heather predicts, “Katie’s... gonna have to get a normal job in a couple years” ([07:47]), suggesting that her current trajectory in reality TV may not sustain long-term interest. Conversely, Ariana Rose is expected to transition into hosting roles, much like Kristen Cavallari, leveraging her popularity from Love Island to explore new opportunities ([07:00]).

Sheena’s Influence:
Sheena is highlighted as a savvy influencer who has successfully expanded her brand beyond Vanderpump Rules. “She’s putting herself all over social media,” Heather notes, emphasizing Sheena’s ability to stay relevant by branching into vlogging and podcasting ([08:15]).

Real Housewives of Salt Lake: New Releases and Controversies

Heather Gay’s New Book:
Heather Gay’s anticipated book release is discussed, particularly the controversies surrounding revelations about Monica and Coach Shaw. Zach mentions, “At one time Monica said, or it was revealed that Jen Shaw's husband tried to kiss her” ([14:31]). Heather expresses skepticism about the authenticity of these claims, noting Monica's strong denial and lack of legal action ([15:00]).

Bronwyn and Todd’s Relationship:
Bronwyn’s May-December relationship with Todd is another focal point. Heather speculates on the sustainability of their relationship, considering Todd’s likely aversion to the ongoing filming process and his disinterest in appearing frequently on the show ([16:34]).

Mary Cosby’s Turmoil:
Mary Cosby’s struggles, including her husband's potential foreclosure and her involvement in church leadership, are examined. Heather remarks, “Now that her church has been outed, she's not getting as many of the parishioners money as she needs” ([24:23]), highlighting the multifaceted challenges faced by Cast Member Mary Cosby.

Real Housewives of Orange County: Marriages on the Brink

Dorit and PK’s Separation:
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the unraveling marriage of Dorit and PK in Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOOC). Zach narrates their contentious breakup, citing, “He fell out of love with her a while ago” ([37:38]). Heather concurs, suggesting that Dorit is moving into a new chapter of her life, separate from PK’s diminishing interest ([34:54]).

Tamara’s Struggles:
Tamara’s fluctuating friendships and her attempts to balance personal relationships with show dynamics are discussed. The hosts analyze her potential alliances and the impact on her reputation within the RHOOC community ([35:24]).

Katie as a Potential Villain:
Heather predicts a shift in Katie’s role, stating, “I think Katie will probably be the new villain next season” ([65:21]). This speculation is based on her recent confrontations and the negative reception from other cast members ([65:46]).

General Observations on Reality TV Trends

Heather and Zach critique the current state of reality television, noting the challenges of introducing new cast members in an era dominated by rapid social media consumption. They argue that the depth of viewer investment has diminished, making it harder for new shows to capture and retain audience interest ([10:14], [10:56]).

The Decline of Traditional Reality TV:
The hosts lament the difficulty of launching successful reality shows today, attributing failures to the oversaturation of content and the shifting preferences of viewers who prefer quick, bite-sized entertainment over the in-depth storylines that once captivated audiences ([10:29], [10:56]).

Conclusion: Navigating the Reality TV Landscape

Heather McDonald and Zach Peter wrap up the episode with reflections on the transient nature of fame within reality TV. They emphasize the importance of adaptability for cast members seeking longevity, urging personalities like Sheena to continue leveraging multiple platforms to maintain their relevance ([12:39]). The conversation underscores the relentless evolution of reality television and the necessity for both hosts and listeners to stay informed and critical of the content being produced.

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Notable Quotes:

• Zach Peter: “I knew it was coming from some of the people they knew, like a week prior” ([05:39]).
• Heather McDonald: “She’s putting herself all over social media” ([08:15]).
• Zach Peter: “I think Katie will probably be the new villain next season” ([65:21]).

This comprehensive breakdown offers fans a nuanced understanding of the Real Housewives franchise's current state, highlighting the personal and professional dynamics that drive the most compelling storylines in reality television today.

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[Zach Peter]

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[Heather McDonald]

Thank you for having me back.

[Zach Peter]

Let's get into it. There's so many things that have been going on in our world of pop culture and Bravo. So it was announced officially that Vanderpump is coming back. I talked about this a little bit on the top of the Thanksgiving show because I did a new show for that, but with none of the returning cast. And, you know, I knew it was coming. I knew from some of the people they knew, like, a week prior.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

But I had heard that they were interviewing people and things like that and auditioning people. But that also. It was with James Kennedy. And when I saw James Kennedy at the Vanderpump thing, I go, well, I've heard some things. And he goes, what have you heard? And so I said that. And he's like, no. So I am kind of sad. I hope he finds a place on one of these shows, either with the New kids or on the Valley.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I think James will be fine without the show. He's gonna do his DJ thing. He's gonna be DJ Pauly D. I think he'll be. He's one of the few on the cast that will be okay after all of this. He is really good reality tv. I think the network will take a break from him. Cause I know, like, people are still trying to push, like, the allegations against him, like, out there, and they're still trying to, like, make that a thing that I think.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, you mean through the Raquel relationship?

[Heather McDonald]

Raquel and Kristen, and, like, all the things that people have said about, you know, his past relationships with the two of them that I. He's gonna let the dust settle. He'll come back in some capacity. I think he's one of the few that's a great reality star that, like, people still want to see. And, like, watching his evolution on the shows, I mean, he, like, nobody cares about Katie and nobody cares about the sandwich. Like, I don't want to spin off about the stupid sandwich shop.

[Zach Peter]

So what do you think is going to happen with Katie and Ariana?

[Heather McDonald]

Ariana's gonna be fine. If she plays her cards right. She'll probably transition into more of, like, a host. Love island will keep her around for another season or two. I mean, the longest they've kept a host is, like, four seasons. And I feel like by her third or fourth season, she'll do, like, the Kristen Cavallari thing, like, right after the Hills. Remember, she was doing all these, like, red carpets and hosting gigs, and then eventually she ended up becoming a podcaster. So I don't think Ariana's, like, particularly. And I know people hate when I say this. I don't think she's, like, the most Interesting or the most, like, entertaining to watch. I think she was great on Love island, but I think, like, the Ariana Rose colored glasses will wear off eventually. And Katie's. I don't know what. She's gonna have to get a normal job in a couple of years. Like, nobody wants to see her on reality tv. The sandwich shop is not gonna last. She's nice, but, like, I don't envision her doing much but knitting again.

[Zach Peter]

I do feel that Katie, I don't really. I like her a lot as a person, but I kind of don't know what. What you do from here, except if you really, really get into the sandwich shop and maybe really do something in the restaurant food space, if that's something that. That she can do. I mean, of course, you know, she has a podcast. She can be still an influencer. She's still, like, pretty and fashionable, so.

[Heather McDonald]

She'S even a good influencer, though. Like, Sheena's a good influence. Like, Sheena's like, buy this, Smirnoff. And Sheena's like, look at my outfit and here's my vlog. Like, Sheena's putting herself all over social media. I don't see Katie doing, like, even the Vanderpump announcement. She, like, did an Instagram story and she's like, gonna miss you guys. Like, it was so, like, what?

[Zach Peter]

That is very true. But I do see, like, James Kennedy. Great. Could be great on Celebrity Get Me out of Here. The villain, the Traitors. He could be great on that. So could Tom Sandoval. Tom Sandoval is already on Traitors, so if he does well in that capacity, he could be doing other things. He also did the Special Forces. It looks like. We know Tom Schwartz lives now next to Jax in the Valley, and we know that Sheena did a lot of appearances on the Valley and Lala as well. And so I think that they're going to be incorporated in that. In the. In that friend group, because it's organically friends. So. Yeah. And then we'll see how this. How do you. Do you have much hope for just a brand new bunch of people, struggling actor type people.

[Heather McDonald]

No. This show's gonna flop harder than the Roni reboot.

[Zach Peter]

Gosh, you are on fire today. He is not coming back.

[Heather McDonald]

No, think about it. We had Lohan Beach Club. We had what happens at the Abbey. Like, they've tried to recreate Vanderpump so many different times with a good cast of people that are messy. It doesn't work because when Vanderpump first Came out. It was so new. And we, like, fell in love with the messiness of the show. And we followed them all of these years because we watched them grow up. And we watched Stassi go from the brat to the wife. Right, right. And I think that's why everyone, like, stood by her through her cancellation is like, we got to know them over the years, so we were invested in them. We don't care about a bunch of messy kids that are going to be working at the restaurant. We already saw it. It's going to be compared to the original. It's not going to live up. It's going to feel like it's trying too hard. Similar to Roni, I think.

[Zach Peter]

Also reality TV in general, we're asking a lot of this generation, all the generations that watch ex millennial NZ, to really learn about 10 new people.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Or whatever. Seven new people. And care about all seven new people. Like we did 15 years ago when reality shows were all we had. When you're watching TikTok strolling, scrolling all night long so quick, I think that is the challenge of launching any new show, whether it's the Southern Charm, Savannah or Winter House or whatever. Those things that, like, are not around anymore. It's because we're asking a lot. Or the Martha's Vineyard.

[Heather McDonald]

And yeah, I read an article this morning. They're like, all these shows are on pause. I'm like, is that just the new name for canceled? Like, are we just saying that we're shelving it and it's on pause until we decide nobody cares?

[Zach Peter]

I think they don't like to say cancel. I think they like the on pause also, because it's dangling a carrot with these people to stay behaved and letting them know you never know what could come back.

[Heather McDonald]

Like my aunt.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. So just be good. Don't bash the network. Don't sue the network. Like, you might have a chance of coming back. Look what happened. Yeah, look at Miami Came back eight years later. Yeah, I think that you're right about that. So, yeah, there you go. I mean, so I was actually with Sheena. That's. I was with Summer Moon and Sheena. We went to the cute little zoo in Palm Springs. And. Yeah, I mean, she is, you know, and she's doing all her things.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

She has the vlog, she has the podcast. She has, like you said. And then she'll be on the Valley. And I'm sure she's not making whatever if she's per day scene that she would ever be making. Being that she was like, An OG on Vanderpump. But she's smart to have been. I'm game. I'm ready to go. I'm in the hood. I moved there. Like, that was a smart move. Because all these other things for her to continue. Will we, you know?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And everybody laughed at her because of it. They're like, oh, she's moving to the vet. What does she think she's going to be beyond the Valley. We don't want her on the Valley. It's like, guess what? Now she is on. We have, what, Sheena, Lala and Schwartz that are gonna be on the Valley next season. Listen, they found a way to stay relevant and to keep rolling with it. And Sheena's gonna be on TV for a while.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. So good for all of them. This was a cute story. I don't know if you saw it, but Martin Lawrence's daughter Jasmine and Eddie Murphy's son are engaged.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, that's a fun throwback.

[Zach Peter]

Is that not, like, the cutest, funny Nepo baby love story we've ever heard?

[Heather McDonald]

That's it. I would not have put them together, but that is a cute story.

[Zach Peter]

It'll be kind of really fun now that everyone's on Instagram and stuff. Because back in the day, you know, maybe Star's kids would meet, but we didn't know everything about it, and we're like, oh, isn't that weird that those two were married? You know, you didn't know. Now it's like, I mean, yeah, why wouldn't these stars get together? But they said the dads didn't introduce him. It was Martin Lawrence's brother, her uncle, that introduced him.

[Heather McDonald]

And, well, they're all still in the same circles. Yeah, like, they're gonna run in. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. And it's actually a cute story.

[Zach Peter]

It's totally cute. And I just feel like it needs to be, like, made into, like, a. Like a funny, cute, heartwarming story with them, like, playing themselves. Okay, let's get into Real Housewives of Salt Lake. So Heather Gay's new book. You just mentioned it when we were walking upstairs. When is it available?

[Heather McDonald]

Tuesday, December 3rd.

[Zach Peter]

Did you get a early copy? Can you review it for me?

[Heather McDonald]

No, I didn't. I had no interest in getting an. Well, I had heard things that had come from it, but I didn't need the advance copy. Even screeners. I don't even watch screeners anymore. I just wait until it's all out. Well, did you get an advance copy?

[Zach Peter]

I did not. I just saw one Article that she. That someone said. Oh, the scoop at the end is that she talks about the receipts, timeline, all that stuff, and that she said that at one time Monica said, or it was revealed that Jen Shaw's husband tried to kiss her.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

But then Monica came back and made a statement, a very well written statement. And it was just like, I mean, it's really sad that you still have to talk about me and you're exploiting other people's lives and that this absolutely is not true. I never, you know, got together with him or anything like that. And I don't know what this second. I mean, I like Heather Gay a lot. I don't know what else she can tell in the second book.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I don't even care who gave her the black eye anymore. Like, there's nothing.

[Zach Peter]

We never did and we never knew. And at this point, we still don't know. Do we know?

[Heather McDonald]

No. Well, she said it was Jenshaw or she alluded to it being Jen Shaw at the reunion last year. But, like, you know, and that's when Jen came out and she's like, that's not true and I'll sue you if you say that. And then she said it and there was no lawsuit. So I don't know if Jen really did give her the black eye or didn't or whatever. But, like, it's just. It's not like if this is the most interesting thing to come out of her book. And I'd heard about the Monica and Coach Shaw stuff maybe about a week and a half ago before the story actually dropped. And I was just like, really? Like, that's what she's gonna be leading with to try and promote her book as this Monica and Coach affair where they, like, met at a gas station and, like, he came onto her.

[Zach Peter]

Is that the story?

[Heather McDonald]

It's. The story is that they met up at a gas station and then at the gas station is when he, you know, made a move on her and she rejected him. And then I guess she told someone. I'm assuming that Heather. So Heather won't reveal who her source is, but I'm assuming it's Tanisha, the girl that told her about reality.

[Zach Peter]

Von Teese, which is also a very untrustworthy person. I mean, how are you feeling about Salt Lake this year?

[Heather McDonald]

It's had some good moments.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, obviously the best moment is hiring Bronwyn and her May December relationship with, like, crotchety Todd, who just did. Was convinced after who knows what to let her do this and to be part of it. And he's showing up. Now, one of two things can happen. Next season, he stopped showing up. Like Harry Hamlin and Tom Girardi, where we, like, never see him anymore.

[Heather McDonald]

Or Mary Cosby's husband. He's gone, too.

[Zach Peter]

We see the husband, and he lets her do her thing, and they stay married. But I'm sure the producers will say, well, we're not gonna ask you back. Yeah, the producer's probably like, yeah, we already know that's gonna be your M.O. but the thing is that, like, if that's your husband, you can say, sorry, he's sick. Sorry. You know, he has a business. Meaning, like, if you want to save the marriage and you don't want him to be seen and you still wanna have your fun, then I would say, don't force him to do any more of this next year. But, you know, she did say in an interview, oh, it was a throwaway thing, but she did say, everyone thinks I'm a gold digger, but who knows? Maybe, you know, watch out. Season 17, Bronwyn gets a sugar baby. And I'm like, wait, so you're already. How are you getting a sugar baby? Because Todd's either divorcing Todd or you're going to, you know, be single or cheating on him or whatever. I mean, that. I mean, that's like, again, that is like Erica Jayne, who was like, I was gonna hold that man's hand until he died, and then he lived. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I just. We get it. There is a plan here. It is a transactional thing.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I don't think he ever heard of the show or had any idea what she was signing up for. And, like, he's hating every process, every part of the process filming this show. I don't think he'll want her to do another season. But like, the Housewives, once they get their first season in and they get a little taste of the fame and the audience likes them, they can't walk away.

[Zach Peter]

No, she'll never walk away.

[Heather McDonald]

She would rather divorce him than leave the show 100%.

[Zach Peter]

And especially with the child being gone. And she's going to be like, no way am I going back to just wearing weird outfits and meeting you at the airport with your coffee cup. Like, no way. That. And no way just wearing couture that only the matronry of the one nice restaurant in Salt Lake can see me in. Like, no, I'm a star. I was meant to be a star. I love it. It's not going away. She will 100% put her foot down and be like, either you let me do it and you don't appear that much, or we're done.

[Heather McDonald]

Do you think she really dresses like that outside of the show? Like, two years ago, she was wearing these crazy outfits, going to lunch, like, just walking around Salt Lake in these outfits.

[Zach Peter]

Maybe a little bit. And then she upped it for the show, because I think that's. But also, she was Lisa Barlow's friend, so she knew about the show. She watched the show, I'm sure. And she knew if I'm gonna get chosen, these are the things that are gonna make me pop, is that I actually have money. I'm that person that does get invited to the real fashion shows because I'm that good of a customer. So that's what I think.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Her house is ugly, though. Her and Mary Cosby, the worst. They're so bad now.

[Zach Peter]

Everybody was freaking out about the Mary Cosby with her son moment, which was. Which was really sad.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, also, like, did you see.

[Heather McDonald]

What Ali Shapiro said? Jill Zarin's daughter.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, no. What did she say?

[Heather McDonald]

She said that she's like, as a former real housewife kid, like, this shouldn't have ever been aired.

[Zach Peter]

I was just gonna say it shouldn't.

[Heather McDonald]

Have been aired because, like, it's something that's going to have to live with him. And this should have been taken care of off camera. And we should have had this storyline once. He was in a better place after rehab.

[Zach Peter]

I agree. It made me wonder sometimes when I think sometimes kids, like, are, like, fine, you know, and the cameras are there. I always wonder if before the mom goes, okay, the cameras are coming. We fucking hate the cameras. The cameras are coming. We're going to have a meal. We're going to talk about your baseball game, whatever, and then you'll get a new pair of Jordans.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So, like, we don't know. And it made me wonder when I was watching it. And listen, this is Juicy Scoop, and this is not politically correct, whatever. But it made me wonder, like, did she get him to go on camera? Because she's like, I'll give you some more money, or I'll leave you alone for two days to be alone in your room. I just need you to talk to me. And then once they started talking, he was high.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And wasn't thinking, there's cameras on me. This is going to live in infamy, whatever. And then it doesn't. And then when they did a follow up at Bravo fan Fest or whatever, and they said. And Mary says he's doing well. Not he's in rehab. Not he's 45 days sober.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And I feel. I mean, I. Listen, I feel for her. I feel for anybody who's struggling with the child, who is into drugs and not living up to their potential because of them. And I think it's absolutely horrible. And, yes, this is, like, a brave moment, but for the. Yeah, it's iffy. I agree. It's just kind of iffy.

[Heather McDonald]

I agree. It's iffy. I think from, like, a moral perspective, you probably shouldn't put your son on the show in that condition. But I also think in that moment, she didn't realize. Like, I think she just thought he was smoking weed. Like, I think she really believed that. When I first started seeing him in scenes this season, I was like, oh, that's a lot more than just, like, he's really not present.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So I think he. I think that's why she did it. Cause she was like, oh, we'll just have another regular scene that we normally film with him. Like last season when he told her he was married. Like, you know, like, little scenes where we see their relationship, but we don't get too deep. I don't think she expected the scene to go as deep as it did. So I don't think she was deliberately trying to out his addiction, because I don't. I think she was in denial that he even had an issue until they were having that conversation. He's telling her, I started doing this when I was 16, and I was mixing this with that, and, like, then it was starting to click to her that that was real. And I think she was just in the moment. So I don't think it was premeditated. As a viewer, I did really like watching the scene because for me, it was very real. Where I feel like Housewives is so performative now.

[Zach Peter]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

To me, I compared it to when Vicki found out her mom died, and she breaks down and she's on the floor sobbing. And it was just such a real raw moment that the audience could connect to that from a viewer's perspective. I really appreciated the candor in that moment. But I understand where someone like Ally, whose mom, like, embarrassed her by sending her to fat camp on camera, like, would be a little touchy about it.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, it's interesting. Otherwise, I feel the show. It's still a struggle to get through. I'm still a little bit bored by some of these fights. I mean, their fight at the. Whatever, fake girl scout camp. And I can't Remember, I couldn't even figure out what the fight was about. I just was like, did you hear.

[Heather McDonald]

About the rumor between Lisa Barlow and Mary Cosby and the fight that went on between them and the kids? Kids?

[Zach Peter]

No. What is that?

[Heather McDonald]

They got into a fight at. I guess it was at that girl Scout camp. And the Lisa Barlow, I guess, made a comment about Mary's son and I guess about alluding to him possibly being on drugs. And then Mary Cosby responded and like took a shot at her kid and I think called him the R word. Oh. And so that was a big thing that that was supposed to air. And then they ended up cutting it from that entire scene altogether. Probably because they were gonna lean more into the Mary Cosby then.

[Zach Peter]

They want her to be liked and have some sympathy. Well, I mean, we've seen the text and we've talked to other housewives that in the past they were all terrified of her and terrified that she would lash out and call them racist and all these other things. And in the process she would write really mean texts attacking their looks and their style and their money and like real low brow stuff.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And yet she's also, you know, a head of a church and now we just never hear about the church.

[Heather McDonald]

No, the church has gone away.

[Zach Peter]

Never hear about the step grandfather that she's married to. But I did see something and I don't know how legit it is. It looked at that her house is also in foreclosure probably.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, now that her church has been outed, she's not getting as many of the parishioners money as she needs.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. No, but yeah, okay. It's a good season, guys. You know, I had to wear all those skintight dresses when I hosted that show. Thank God I had my Honey Love shapewear. It was so comfortable. I wore it with. I wore one fit for every dress, which was the power body short, which sucks in the middle, gave me a flat tummy from the side, lifted my flat booty. I absolutely love it. Say goodbye to the bulky underwire bra. Remember, we always just thought we had to have that. Honeylove bras are so comfortable. They have this supportive bonding that eliminates the need for underwire without sacrificing the lift. You're going to absolutely love it. Treat yourself to the best bras and shapewear in the market. Shop Honey Love's holiday sale and save an additional 20% off site wide at honeylove.com juicy. Use our exclusive link to get 20% off honeylove.com juicy to find your perfect fit. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support Juicy Scoop and tell them I sent you. It's time to ditch the underwire for good. Thanks to Honey Love. This episode is brought to you by Irestore, the clinically proven advanced hair growth system designed for women who want to say goodbye to thinning hair and hello to volume. If you're tired of dealing with thinning hair or hair loss, listen up. The Irestore Elite is the most powerful device on the market, packed with 500 lasers and LEDs to provide maximum scalp coverage to help you grow thicker, longer, healthier hair. With the Iris Store Elite, you can sit back, relax, binge, watch your favorite show while it works science backed magic on your scalp. Grow thicker, healthier hair naturally with visible results in just three months. No drugs, no surgeries, just the most advanced technology for real results. Are you ready to get medical grade red light treatment at home to regrow your hair for a limited time only? Our Juicy scoopers will get $625 off their order when you use code juicyscoop irestorelaser.com that's your order at irestore laser.com with the promo code Juicy Scoop. Please support Juicy Scoop and tell them I sent you. Hair loss is frustrating. You don't have to fight it alone. Thanks to Irestore, it seems like every celebrity can access GLP ones and get skinny fast and easy. But now you can too because losing weight, it can be really hard and when it comes to prioritizing your health and feeling confident and strong, it can really be difficult to know where to start. Well, now you can get your health in check and be confident that you're on the right track to getting healthy through hers. This is so great because HERS is changing women's healthcare by providing you with access to affordable weight loss treatments. Finally, their holistic approach gives you access to personalized solutions like GLP1 weekly injections that have the same active ingredients as Ozempic and WeGovy. Start your free online visit today at Fourhers.com JuiceScoop that's for hers. F O R H E R S.com JuiceScoop for your personalized weight loss treatment options for hers.com JuiceScoop hers weight loss is not available everywhere. Compound products are not FDA approved and verified for safety, effectiveness or quality. Prescription required restrictions apply. WeGovy and Ozempic are not compounded. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills I just really want to get into Dorit and pk so dorit has been on the show for eight years. They've only been married nine. So they.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, I can't realize. They were.

[Zach Peter]

When she got on the show, Phoenix was like three months old, a little girl, and the boy was like two Jagger. And so we see them and, you know, she was quite the character with this like kind of put upon English accent and her fashion and everything, and PK and boy George and all this stuff. And so now they are separated and we see that they're separated and they go out to dinner and I. To me, that was like the most intriguing, probably marriage, divorce, whatever scene I've ever seen on in any of the franchises. And there's been so many breakups and divorces, but that he would go and sit down and like have this harsh conversation of which he basically said, well, I'll tell you, dorit, you know, when you met me, I was the global entrepreneur. I had everything. And you were this enthusiastic girl that wanted to be social and come out, and now it's like, you know, whatever. And then she goes, I know you say I emasculate you and blah, blah, blah. Well, this is the thing with marriage like this. Whether you're on TV or not, nobody is the same as they were eight years ago. The guy is not as like, can't get enough of your body and everything. And the girl is not as impressed with every little thing you do. Also, when they met, there already was like a disparaging thing in that he was the global entrepreneur. He was this older guy with a whole nother other family that he had. They met, she got pregnant, they had Jagger at the wedding, and, you know, and then she gets thrust on the show. One thing I thought that she was. Was interesting is she said he. The. The show came to them, I guess probably through him and knowing Lisa Vanderpump.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And he wanted her to do it. It was not her idea. And her first initial thought was, oh, I don't think this is me. And he pushed her to do it. And then just recently in the interview with Alex Baskin, who produces all these shows, she said she was really thinking about not coming back. And he said, well, you and PK Said, well, you have to do it. And that made her go, well, then I'm not gonna do it. And then she decided to do it. But yeah, he says you have to do it because you've got to make this million dollar year income and everything that comes along with it because he's.

[Heather McDonald]

Got to pay his debt.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, he's broke. I mean, Their house is in foreclosure.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, he should stop living in hotels.

[Zach Peter]

I'm not going to say. I'm not going to pk. Don't sue me. I'm not going to say you are broke, but seems to be that there are financial issues where, you know, moving, whatever. He has plenty of things that are making money and some that are not. Let's just say that.

[Heather McDonald]

Listen, nobody's had a revenue source.

[Zach Peter]

Apparently not paying the mortgage. And I'm sure there's a plan there that we don't know about that makes it completely okay. But the article says four months of no pay or five months now.

[Heather McDonald]

But why has nobody sued Dana Wilkie? She puts all this shit out, all these rumors, and she never has to put a disclaimer.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, well, that must not be. That must be. I mean, that is paper. There was something.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I think. Well, the interesting thing about that.

[Zach Peter]

Allegedly. And if it's not true, then that's terrible.

[Heather McDonald]

But allegedly. Yes.

[Zach Peter]

And I hope it's not true, because that's another. That's another awful thing to have to move out of the home that your kids know. Yeah, but like I said, you know, if it's just a matter of four or five months payment, I would think that you'd be able to gather that up.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I think he wanted her to do the show because he wanted to promote his clients and he wanted Boy George on there. And he thought that this would give Boy George maybe some new relevance, that he could book a few more shows and he could maybe promote whatever clients he had on Beverly Hills. And then, obviously, I think he wants her to stay on the show. Cause, I mean, that's a big income that, like, nobody's gonna easily walk away from that, whether you're having financial issues or not. Like, unless you're making boatloads of money where, like that. That check is completely insignificant. Like, nobody's gonna walk away from that.

[Zach Peter]

Right. And I really do think everyone now realizes that, like, when that stops, the audience really forgets quickly.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

They forget about storylines. They forget about past cast members. And, you know, you as much as. Oh, my gosh, Lisa Ren is a legit model and killing it and everything. I mean, we're not talking about her. And I mean, it is so you could. You might be able to be set and do something. But I think at Dorit's age and everything, she's at a great age to keep going.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And that was good advice that he told her to keep doing it.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, it was smart. I Mean, because housewives always get to that point where, like, their ego gets big, and they're like, I can walk away from the show. And they don't realize not not only is it the loss of income, but, like you said, the loss of the relevance. I mean, if you want to stay relevant, the only way you can do that is to start a podcast and bang your horse trainer.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Sorry, Daddy. I love you.

[Zach Peter]

And that's another one. Like, we don't care about that story. That was a juicy story. Two weeks ago, you and I talked about it. Teddy Mellencamp of Beverly Hills, former Beverly Hills now podcaster, was accountability coach, where she would text people and say, you had too many carrots. That business went away thanks to Ozempic. And. But, you know, so she was sleeping with her married horse trainer where her daughter also does horses, and she said, well, I've taken accountability and, like, everyone else needs to move along. Okay. But I just think, again, well, all right. So the people that always hated her, now I feel good that they're on the right side of history of hating her. And the people that didn't think she was that bad are like, no, she was pretty bad. And the rest of people are like, I still don't care. Yeah, Like, I still don't care. You're just another cheating Beverly Hills housewife, famous or not. That's what you are. So there. She'll just continue on.

[Heather McDonald]

And I think she should have just leaned in, like, done a whole podcast episode on it, like, just, you know, told her truth. And, like.

[Zach Peter]

Well, I think in her defense, I think it is.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, she has the young kids.

[Zach Peter]

And I think it is sticky with him and his job and the wife who also rides the horses. And so I think she probably did the right thing in just saying, I fucked up, and now you guys know, and that's the end of the story. That's all I'm gonna say about it. I mean, I think that's kind of all. I mean, I think that's all you can do once you've done that.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And I also think she's probably in a different chapter of her. Like, she got her face left. She looks great. Like, she has the podcast. She's making her own money that, like, I can see her totally entering her single era right now. And, like, do you think there's any.

[Zach Peter]

Chance I'd ask her back?

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think so.

[Zach Peter]

I don't think so either.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think that they would. I just hope whoever she does end up with it's cuter than the horse trainer because he wasn't particularly attractive.

[Zach Peter]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

Not to, like, blow up your marriage over him.

[Zach Peter]

No. But, yeah, I don't really care about Dorit's fighting with Kyle, though. I know that's going to be a big thing of, like.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, they've already made their friends now. Like, we see them hanging out all the time now that it's like. I don't know how. How invested I am in that.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. But the stuff with PK is interesting. Yeah. And then he, you know, and then she. You know, she's like, well, you're an alcoholic. And you know what? Just like the shadow maduro, which we'll get into. I think the audience are a lot of boozers, and I don't think that that makes them stop liking you.

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Zach Peter]

And if you were an alcoholic and now you're not, and then you can use that sobriety superiority, like, well, I'm sober now, so any. Yeah, if I was awful to you, I was awful to you. But now that I'm sober, I see you weren't that great to me. You know what I mean?

[Heather McDonald]

And it's like, I'm over the sober storylines.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm over the sober story because they get boring. Like, we saw Vanderbilt. They did a water tasting. I'm like, no, I want you guys to get fucked up again and sleep with each other. Like, give me another, you know, go bang Raquel some more. Like, give me something interesting other than a water tasting.

[Zach Peter]

Sober journey is not one for good reality tv.

[Heather McDonald]

No, leave reality TV when you reach that point.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, it's. It is a challenge.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And, you know, it's a journey and it's. A lot of people are on it and. Yeah. So that I don't really care about. But they're always so fun to watch, so it'll be good. But I. I would like to see, you know, Dorit go into the Lauren Sanchez of it all and find, like, a real baller billionaire. But she said she's not dating anyone. She's not thinking about dating anyone. But I would be shocked if they end up staying together and making it work. I could see them doing a long separation like Kyle and Mauricio, and then eventually something will pop up. They filed, but it could be like two years from now where they're just gonna kind of do this dance until someone finds somebody else romantically that isn't gonna put up with it. That's like, no, you gotta file. Like.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, I don't see them filing in the near future, but I don't think. I just don't think they're interested in the relationship anymore. Like, pk you can tell, is so done. Like, he wasn't even willing to play with her at the dinner where they were gonna. Like, we're working on things. He was just, like, really laying it out straight.

[Zach Peter]

No, he fell out of love with her a while ago. Yeah. For sure.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And I think now I've talked at nauseum about Kyle and Morgan. And my latest thing, which is what I stick by, is I don't think we'll ever know if they diddle each other's dues or did the lickety splits. I really don't. I think it's possible maybe they didn't. And she saw this as a great opportunity to have an interesting storyline to. And maybe she was enthralled with her. If I was to bet. I mean, I talk about this like, who killed JonBenet? Okay. Who killed JonBenet Ramsey? Did they. Where were they? They probably messed around a little. I don't think they have. In a while, Morgan will take her calls and their friends. She does not want to be on housewives anymore. She's doing really well in her music.

[Heather McDonald]

And you're welcome, Morgan.

[Zach Peter]

And Morgan has never completely come out.

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Zach Peter]

She had a husband. There was a clip of her, like, on a daily morning show, and she's like, that's my husband over there playing guitar. And so we don't even know. And this whole thing. I mean, she probably is, or at least bi, but, like. And I. So I definitely think that's over with. Kyle's not gonna flirt with other women. We're never gonna hear about it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Until she gets with some other guy. And I do believe that she was probably trying to meet Kevin Costner and Aspen.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I think so, too. I think Morgan was probably. I think she was in a transition period of her life. Kids are growing up. She's not a mom anymore. Mauricio's moving on. Their marriage is fractured. She's not a wife anymore. And her, like, identity was so built in being a mom and a wife for so long that I think she was going through an identity crisis. Morgan came into her life. There was probably some sort of emotional connection that they had. I don't think it was super physical, if at all. I think that it was definitely more emotional. And Kyle caught feelings, which maybe got a little confusing for her. And I think Morgan was like, oh, you're the straight lady. That's confused right now. And you think that you want to dabble into the lady pond. And I've been around this block too many times. You always go back to your husband. Like, I'll play around with you. Cause it feels good, but I'm not gonna go all in with you because it's not safe.

[Zach Peter]

And remember, they were, like, filming a documentary.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach Peter]

About Morgan. And Morgan had some gene in which she got a voluntary double mastectomy to get rid of a different breast gene than the Braxton or whatever it is. I wonder if we'll ever see that.

[Heather McDonald]

Nobody cares about the documentary about her. Like, obviously very boring. But, like, the Nobody's like, let me see Morgan Wade's journey of. You know, it's after. Like, it's after the surgery that, like, nobody. Like, nobody cares. Nobody knew who she was before Kyle put her on Housewives. And now everybody pretend I mean her.

[Zach Peter]

Some of her music is not. They helped each other. Yeah, they helped each other, whatever it was.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

This one came from Bravo then. And now I'd like to see this new, real kickass version of Dorit. Could Camille come back?

[Heather McDonald]

They've tried that so many times.

[Zach Peter]

With Camille.

[Heather McDonald]

With Camille, it just. It doesn't work anymore. She was good at the beginning, and I just don't think Camille. I think the only way we would have really wanted Camille back is if we got the Morocco season of Ultimate.

[Zach Peter]

Girls trip, which we'll never see because. Because of Brandi Innocence. But what. What. What Caroline Manzo said Brandy did to her in the bathroom.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Which they've all said never happened. Camille said it. Gretchen said it. Phaedra said it. They're all like, I don't know what she was smoking that night because we don't remember seeing or hearing any of that.

[Zach Peter]

Well, then on the Real Halfway Zone, they said that Eileen Davidson spoke after Kyle said she'd love to see her return.

[Heather McDonald]

Boring.

[Zach Peter]

And I say, no. I just kind of. I love Eileen Davidson. She's absolutely gorgeous. But she didn't really bring anything to the table. And, you know, you need younger people if you're gonna bring anybody. Like, let's have them, you know, and have them have a real stake in it. Why are they coming back, you know?

[Heather McDonald]

And why did Kyle pick Eileen out of all people? Like, that was the most random choice for her.

[Zach Peter]

It was safe. It was like, Camille and some. Then, you know, someone that doesn't like Camille is gonna be annoyed with her. Didn't wanna say Denise Richards because I think she makes another appearance. Like, I Just think it was just like a safe.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, did you. Have you seen her only fans?

[Zach Peter]

I've not seen her onlyfans, but when is that E show coming?

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, my God. Oh, I don't know. She shows it all on there, though. Everything. You see it all. I paid. I was a subscriber for a minute. What?

[Zach Peter]

Tell me exactly what it is. So it's photos, videos.

[Heather McDonald]

What Photos? Videos. There's like, one of her, like, in the garden and her tits are out and she has her dirty feet, and she's putting her dirty feet in the camera. She's, like, watering the garden. Yeah, it's wild, so.

[Zach Peter]

And do you really think she makes 2 million a month?

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I think you do at the beginning, but eventually, like, how many times can we see the cooch before it's like, okay, it's the same thing, same angles. I think she'll really make money if Erin gets on with her and they do, like, a couples thing and they actually screw. Well, I don't know if they go full screw, but, like, we're both cooking, we're both watering the garden together naked in the backyard.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, you know, people would pay.

[Heather McDonald]

Money to see his dick.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Does he still do his business where he, like, reads people's minds with crystals or something? What's that business?

[Heather McDonald]

I don't remember. I don't think anybody really understood it, but yeah, it was like some sort of, like, energy work or something. I mean, I don't know.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. All right, let's get into some stuff that's happened since the Real House of OC has concluded.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, yes.

[Zach Peter]

So I did watch John Jansson's 30.

[Heather McDonald]

Minute interview with Bryce with Entertainment Tonight.

[Zach Peter]

I watched it and, you know, I read to the comments and people are, you know, forever Team Shannon. Not interested in hearing his side. However, I do want to tell you his side since I did watch the whole thing.

[Heather McDonald]

Please give me the debrief.

[Zach Peter]

And, you know, I have talked to them a few times, he and Alexis, at events and whatnot, and, you know, very much want to get their side out, which is a lot of things that he had said that they met, you know, through friends, he and Alexis. Alexis was already talking about going back to oc. They knew it would be a bad idea, but they just couldn't deny it. So they started today. The thing with that, I think he really wanted to get across his, you know, he. He loved Shannon. He, you know, was in this relationship. But there were a couple occasions in. Throughout the three or four years that they were Together there were two. When she was about to resign, where she went to him and said, if you don't agree to appear on the show, my contract is in jeopardy.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And I believe that that was information he got. I believe he's telling the truth. Now, was that said to her that definitively from producers, or was she knowing that it would help and that she wanted him to be there and she wanted the world to see that she had a cute, happening boyfriend and she wants him to be part of it. And she probably knows, you know, how she, whatever, it works with her relationships, how she can get him to whatever, feel guilty, do it. So I do believe that's true. And then as far as the borrowing the money, you know, he has the emails and everything, that it was an absolute loan.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I believe that Alexis was, like, already in talks to come back to oc like, you know, like, producers. I feel like even Stassi said that after she had gotten fired, like, one of the producers had come to her and they were just like, would you consider coming back? Like, they.

[Zach Peter]

Right, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

They put feelers out there, but it's not like a real negotiation. And I think the second that Alexis was, like, officially dating John Jansen, then the producer was like, okay, now we really do want to put our eggs in this basket. I think it was not the best. I mean, for television wise, it was a great choice to bring her back because it was a captivating season. But I think it wasn't a good choice for Alexis to come on and then defend Jon, especially when Jon doesn't want to be part of the limelight. Like, if you want to be out of the limelight, then just walk away from it and know you're never going to win that battle. Even going into the ET interview, you know, John was just like, I know that people may not want to hear my side of this story. It's like, we don't. Like, we really don't fucking care. Like, we are already. We already think you're a douchebag. And I watched most of the interview, and he made a lot of really good points. And I thought that he, you know, his side was very well articulated. He had the Excel sheet to back him up that Alexis posted. Like, he has a lot of the groundwork in the foundation, you know, set up for why Shannon's the worst person ever and why, you know, he just wants to clear his name. But the thing is, the audience at this point just doesn't care.

[Zach Peter]

They don't Care. But I will say this in. You know, I met Shannon 11 years ago, and. But I, like, kind of knew of her back when she had this charity called this little light charity, and. Because she went to sc, but she was a few years ahead of me both, so we didn't know each other when we were in school. But I. You know, right away, I knew the girl who. She. Who. I knew that kind of girl. I knew that Newport sorority girl of her era, like, everything. And, you know, I always really liked her. And I. And she's one of those girls that comes from my generation where they love to talk on the phone, they love to spill a lot, they love to get attention when they say, oh, my God, he's awful, whatever. And she did that with David, and it got her in trouble with Vicky because she told a story to Vicki that allegedly, you know, there was some fight that happened that got physical with David. And then when Vicki told somebody and it got back then, it was like, you know, Shannon said, I'll never trust you again. I'll never talk to you. We're done. We're done. How dare you. That's not true. And Vicki was like, okay, so then you. Well, so then she said right there in the region that wasn't true. That never happened. Yeah, you know, so. So there's that. So then we have this other situation with this guy. And this is where I think Tamara was kind of, like, being that she'd witnessed this for so long, and she would, you know, be really nice to him on camera and everything, but then off camera, she would tell these tales to the other cast members, and then the other cast members would get together for coffee with the cameras there, and let's talk about Shannon's relationship. And they're like, yeah, like, oh, my God. She swore me to secrecy. And that happens a lot with friends, you know. Wait, we could have been talking about this the whole time. Like, I. Like when you and I got on the phone about the horse trainer, I go, well, I know why Teddy's filed for divorce. And you're like, so do I. And you're like, I'm sworn to secrecy. I'm like, so am I. And I'm like, does it have to do with an animal? You're like, does it go trot, trot? Like, it was like, so. And then we're like, okay, it's on. Okay. You know, the same information. I know, but both of us were like, we're not gonna be the ones that are gonna spill it. Let it get out there. And then talk about it because it involves a family and everything and kids.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So with this type of stuff, I think then when they did break up and things, and even when it was happening and why, she'd get upset because she was like, oh, my God, John's going to be so mad that you guys are saying this. And one of the things was that, you know, he called her fat and that he didn't pay for anything and that he had no money for their future. And, you know, now they're broken up and I could see whether he wanted to be on the show or not. I have had lies said about me. You have had lies said about me. It is a natural American reaction to want to clear that up. And he's like, she said on the interview, he goes, whatever happened, whether she said it to the other Catherine's or whatever, the perception is that I'm a broke loser who doesn't have money, who took money from Shannon, who also disparaged her in the look department. Which he says, I've never done.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And in my experience of hanging out with him a couple times, he was so nice to her, talked about her very nicely.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And was attentive and, like, delightful and, you know.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I think when you put it in that perspective, because we have been in similar situations to that and I'm. And we've even talked about, like, how going on the defense is sometimes not always the best move. And you're just trying to clear your name because you want to, like, prove that you're not who people are saying that you are. So I get it from that perspective and I understand. I just think it's a lose, lose game because it's like if you stay quiet, then you're still the bad guy, but then if you speak out, you're still the bad guy. I mean, maybe a few people, because myself included in watching that interview, I'm like, he does make a few good points. And it does kind of make sense to me.

[Zach Peter]

We've seen her for 11 years where she's like, you'll see the truth. We've seen the dramatics, we've seen the victim thing. And she had told me this story when one time we went out on the boat a couple years ago with a group of people, and we were coming from the restaurant, going back on his boat to go to his house. That doc. The dock is right in front of his house. And it was. Now it's getting kind of dark, or maybe not. And all of a sudden she tells a story about how one time she almost fell or she fell in the water. She fell in the water and somebody else had to help her out and John doesn't even care. And I was like, she told me the story and right away I kind of called her on and I was like, wait a minute. Yeah, I don't believe that. I believe that either he didn't see it or the first person that saw you fall in the water was the one that helped you get out. And I'm imagining Shannon in her like white jeans and her Yves Saint Laurent, like platform shoes and how it happened. And of course he didn't just like leave her there wailing. Whoever, someone, I mean, but I already know her M.O. and we know, and a viewer, you should know it, that she likes to tell those stories. And even when she was gaining, gained weight, I remember her said, the audience loves me more now than ever. And the audience likes the housewife. Audience is an audience made up of predominantly middle aged women. Half of us are divorced and probably most of them drink. And so they love the tragic life that Shannon has shared with us. Yeah, she had, you know, when we met her, she was thin and living in a $16 million house with her husband and her three children. Then she reveals he cheated on her. Then they get back together and do the vow renewal. Then he supposedly, you know, leaves her on a trip in Hawaii and they get divorced. And since then she's just rented house after house after house and doesn't even have money for a facelift. But she's been on a show for 11 years that's international, that looks bad to Bravo, but it also is like, doesn't look great on you.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

You know, and then the argument can be, well, I didn't do well in my divorce because I didn't have a good attorney and the girls go to such expensive colleges and all this. And so I think in John's Janssen's defense, he was just like, look, we, we both had adult kids, but everything. But I was not paying for everything. And when he said the thing about Bravo, she was like, I paid for the hotels, I would think, and anybody in corporate America, which she was, would think, I'm going to be on a TV show where I'm the star and they want you to sit in the audience and the camera is going to go to you. So would you like to come, John? Sure. Okay, great. Of course she's going to handle it. Of course. So now he's sitting next to her on the first class ticket. Only later does he find out that she had to pay for that ticket because they only give you one first class ticket. So you have to pay for a second first class or put your assistant and the coach or whatever. And yet she was like, oh, I paid for.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Who would think that they wouldn't pick up a companion for someone who's been on the show for eight years. Do better. Bravo. Everyone should have a first. Two first class tickets when you're like the star of the show.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And so there was those kind of things. And I think he was like, no, throughout things I picked up.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, people watch Housewives down. They think everything is paid for. That they don't think a housewife spends a penny because they think Bravo covers everything. Like, it's just natural to think all.

[Zach Peter]

Those parties, they have to pay for themselves. And so I think that was interesting. And then. And then we get to the night of the DUI and this whole thing that's come out of. Did he hear the crash and bothered not to come out? It sounded like a real chaotic night. Now he was gone all day in Catalina with his boat and we don't know. We don't know. Did he. Was he completely sober, too? We don't know. I'm not saying anything, but we don't know. She comes after drinking. We know how much she drank because of the dui. She's screaming and everything. And this is a common occurrence. The girls come and see it. His daughters. I do think it's weird that he didn't just get the phone and give her the phone, but I think he did that. He said so that she would leave. Yeah, because he was like, I don't want her here. Because he had, you know, said, hey. She says, I get physical. No, she's gotten physical with me. But he's smart enough to know that even if she did, he would never want to call the police and have police come because she's famous. And also just being a man, chances are you're going to lose this one. She's going to say, no, he pushed me and da, da, da. So why even call unless you're seriously in fear for your life? So he just tries to get her leave and then she backs out. Now it is weird if he heard now that he hears the crash, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But then people are like, why wouldn't you call the police then? Yeah, because she was drunk and he's probably hoping that she can get out of this and maybe if she just walks away then, like, which was her Plan. She got out of the car with.

[Heather McDonald]

The dog and was, like, walking Archie.

[Zach Peter]

And hoping to, like, deal with the car later. So I don't. You know, he was probably like, I'm not gonna be the one to call the police and have you get a dui. You know, he probably was just like, holy shit.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, we forget that. Like, she did crash into a house, and then she, like, parked her car and was, like, pretending she was walking the dog when the cops were looking, like.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. I mean, and the thing is, there was a socialite that in my neighborhood, Rebecca Grossman, who has been convicted now for, like, 30 years, and she was allegedly. Well, not allegedly, because she was convicted, racing a guy that she was seeing. They had an open marriage. This is straight out of a housewife story. And racing to get to their place to hang out, and she went through this crosswalk and hit these two brothers, and they died. So it's like. I mean, that's the story that everyone should always be reminded of, because this girl has all the money in the world. She has three grown children that love her. The husband stood by her in the trial. She's going to prison for, like, 20 years. And also, just to have that on your conscience is just horrible. So it's like. Yeah, I don't. I think that's where Tamara was, like, confused. But I think it. But I think the clips that we saw and the edits that we saw was just telling someone, you're a drunk, and all this. It just doesn't look good. It's like, if Tamara would have been like, I'm stepping away from the trace, amigos. A. Because we can't sing or dance, and it's embarrassing. I mean, that I would like to, like, please just be honest.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

That you felt like you were, like, at the Old Town Follies at, like, a retirement hotel, and Tamara wants to be young and hip and be with the kids, and she realized it was a horrible idea. And. But. But she also said it's too much about drinking. And in light of this, which totally makes sense.

[Heather McDonald]

Makes sense.

[Zach Peter]

So. But in some of the scenes where she feels like, I'm gonna bring up producer Jo, like, you just watch. Then the audience is like, wow, you're. You're just piling on because of Shannon, you know? You know, she got the dui. She did what she was supposed to do. Yes, she hit a house, but nobody was hit, thank God. And then. And then on top of it, she's got her boyfriend of three years, new girlfriend sitting across from him. And so every. Every woman is like, that is just like, how much can one woman take?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And so I think that's. That's what happened there.

[Heather McDonald]

And she's good at leaning into, like, the victim narrative and, like, look at me and poor me. That I get why the audience. I think had Alexis not been on this season, Shannon would have absolutely had a bad season. The audience would not have been on her side coming in with the dui, even with the Tamra stuff. I think people may have liked Tamara because it would have looked like Tamara was trying to hold Shannon more accountable. But because Alexis was in the mix and John was tied to it, it just made Alexis look bad because it looked like Alexis was trying to pile onto Shannon.

[Zach Peter]

But here's the thing is when someone says, stop being the victim, but we're watching the victim crying. Yeah, they're a victim.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Like, it wasn't. Yeah, she wasn't dancing on. Shannon wasn't dancing on tables. Shannon wasn't. If she was drinking, we never saw her drunk all season. So even if she was drinking, she was better behaved. And so I think to the audience, they were just like, how much could one woman take? Now, I have to put this out there because I'm afraid it's going to happen because Bravo, do not be surprised if Leslie Bedor comes on the show. That would be solo of Bravo, but nothing surprises me at this point. And the tragedy of Shannon Bedor will then go to another level. Yeah, they are. That is David and Leslie Bedor. They have been married, they have a young daughter, and they have each filed divorce and restraining orders in each other too many times to count. But right now, they are blissfully in love once again.

[Heather McDonald]

And who would be her connection on. Who's her lifeboat? Tamara?

[Zach Peter]

I don't know, because I also think. Yeah, no, no, no, you're right. How would she come in? I think she would have to come in with, like, another new person.

[Heather McDonald]

Or like, she takes yoga class at Jen Pedranty Studio.

[Zach Peter]

Yes. She needs every person to go in there, pay the $15. And so, like, she'll go. Yes, that. Or, you know. Yeah. Because I mean, even somebody, like, let's say they wanted to bring Brett, Gretchen, and they're like, gretchen, can you go have lunch with Leslie Beador?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

I think even Gretchen's like, look, I saw what happened with Alex with Camera being friends with Alexis. Like, it's. I don't need this. So I think you're right. It would be hard to bring her on. So hopefully that won't happen just yet.

[Heather McDonald]

Whoever would bring her on would get the reckoning.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, you're right. So they probably won't. But do you have any inside scoop of anybody who's coming or going with oc yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

No, not on oc. I mean, they have to do something because, I mean, if Alexis doesn't come back, which I don't think they'll bring her back, I mean, what's the story gonna be now that Tamara and Heather and Shannon are friends again? And, like. And then we have Katie.

[Zach Peter]

Well, listen, none of these people are friends.

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Zach Peter]

So hence why, you know, when Tamara got the boot, she didn't hear from Shannon for two years, which is why I think she came back with the wrath and was like, fuck you then. I do think she enjoyed Alexis. I do think they. Alexis has a sweetness about her, and, you know, the other girls like her. But that final scene of them getting along and being like, john did hear the accident. And again, what does that mean? So you would have wanted the cops called?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Like, you. Like, you almost got away with it. You know what I mean? Like, would you have wanted the cops call? Like, he probably thought he was doing himself a favor. And then when she said. And then I sent the photo of my bloody face or whatever. And then, you know. And, you know, whatever, a couple hours later, he was like, wait, what the hell's going on? She's like, he didn't see the. Well, how many times have you gotten a text? And, like, how many times I've texted my husband and been like, do you want lunch? And he's like, I already text you saying, do you want lunch? I got it. You know? Cause you just go to it and you, like. So I'm like, there's a very good chance he didn't. Didn't see that thing. And then was like, holding it, or.

[Heather McDonald]

You saw it and it didn't register. Like, I've done that before, where people are like, you saw this photo that you liked on Instagram? And I was like, I may have seen it, but I didn't give it a second thought. Like, it just. You just see things on your phone and we're constantly overstimulated that I just.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I think he was so done with her that he needed, like, a break from her and all the chaos that comes with that.

[Zach Peter]

And I do believe him when he said, I never planned on showing these videos. These are surveillance videos. But he told Alexis, and then Alexis, in hearing about, you know, poor Shannon. Poor Shannon. Poor Shanna. Then that's when she was like, poor Shannon almost hit, you know, my soon to be stepdaughter. Like, it's on there. And then they realize, okay, now that they've said it and it's on tv, but it's like, if this wasn't a TV show, which is supposed to be reality. Right. If this really happened in a neighborhood and someone goes, you know, he's got ring cameras of her acting like a complete freak, almost hitting the daughter. Like, fuck them. Like we're, you know, you'd be like, all right. But because we're seeing it. And then there's thousands of people comment. I mean, that's what you do when you sign up for this.

[Heather McDonald]

It's like, but what do you think about Alexis saying that, you know, this wasn't a real edit of, you know, the real her and what really happened? And it was just. They gave her a bad edit.

[Zach Peter]

She said, well, I mean, you know, it is true. You're only on there so much. And she said if I. Because I was a friend, I was sort of limited. Yeah, she wasn't invited to the London trip. That's always really interesting when someone doesn't invite someone. Because we saw that on Salt Lake with Heather where Heather was like, fuck you. Look, I'm not on for two. Two full episodes. Like, you're a bitch. Like, I get it. And I.

[Heather McDonald]

Cause that dogs her pay if she's not on the episode.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. And same with Alexis. Like, oh my God, now I'm not there for two, you know, for two or three episodes. I can't bond, I can't be funny. I can't make friends. Like you win. Like you win. I get it. And. But yeah, I think that, like, no, I don't think we got to see like a fun side of her or anything. And we didn't really get no, because they have to edit it down and they kept the interesting stuff. And the interesting stuff.

[Heather McDonald]

And the interesting stuff was the drama between the two of them.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. So it's like, will they. I mean, I'd like to see them stay. Let's see them stay. Let's see them have their wedding and see who goes and what. But I think Tamara will. Tamara knows that now if she can get with Shannon again. And Shannon knows, the two of them, they know, listen, we can keep making these million dollar a year paychecks. It's not going to be hating each other. So what do you want to do about it? Let's just put on our Spanx and laugh about it and pee in our Underwear, whatever. And when that happens, then I don't know how much Tamara will be actually wanting to be a bridesmaid in the Alexis John Jansen wedding.

[Heather McDonald]

Cause, I mean. Yeah. At the end of the day, it's a game of Survivor. And when you're not on the show, you know, or you're a friend of. Or being friends with somebody hurts your reputation, as we saw with Erica. Like, you know, you're gonna pick and choose your sides when it's gonna help your job at the end of the day.

[Zach Peter]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

I think Katie will probably be the new villain next season. I think they're all gonna turn on her after the way they called her out for, like, all her stories at the reunion and nobody seems to really like her.

[Zach Peter]

I think that if she stays, she's, you know, in a bad. In a hard position because I think she has a tragic story that she didn't want to share.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

About her ex or whatever. And she didn't want to share it because her kids are minors and she's probably going to be forced to have to share it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

You know, and then. And then people will like her. We'll see.

[Heather McDonald]

Or not.

[Zach Peter]

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[Zach Peter]

Also, this came out. Francesca Eastwood's Clint Eastwood's daughter. Her domestic violence case was reportedly dropped following an October arrest. So she and her boyfriend were fighting in a car and they got pulled over and because he had marks on his face, they arrested her. But then he didn't want to cooperate and that's why it was dropped.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, that's like Artem and Nikki. Well, I mean, I guess there were no, I don't know that Artem and.

[Zach Peter]

Who'S Artem and Nikki?

[Heather McDonald]

Artem from Dancing with the Stars.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Nikki Garcia. Yes, that's all been dropped. And she got everything she wanted in the divorce.

[Zach Peter]

And then she has another. She has a movie coming out, something in the ring. And I was like, oh, I wonder if that's about boxing. Just like Kitten, her boyfriend. I don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

It's a good look right now.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, this was really interesting. This was Page Six picked it up. And Kate Winslet from Titanic and all the great movies. She was having a heartfelt Interview. And during her time of going to all the events for the Oscars for that, you know, that was the height of, like, Fashion Police and people commenting on people's outfits. And they showed a clip. And there you hear some guy, I don't know who he is, sounded like he had an English accent, commenting on a look. And he's like, I mean, if it was just two sizes bigger, then she'd be okay. I mean, she is just squeezed in that. And it's like, you know, we all watched, you know, Joan Rumors talk. Oh, you're fat. You're fat. You know, Elizabeth Taylor, you're fatter. And she was, like, crying about it. And then the reporter said, did you ever. Have you ever talked to those people that made those comments? She said, yes, I had a moment and pulled him off. And she's like, it was a glorious moment. You know, I used to do Fashion Police at the back of Us Weekly. Oh, yeah. And they would send the photos and stuff. I never talked about anyone's body. If it was like, you know, all yellow, I'd be like, stop sign ahead. Like, just some stupid. I don't even know. They were, like, not good. Like, every. Even when I wrote them, I'm like, when are they gonna kick me off this? Like, I'm not very good. I'd send a bunch, and then sometimes I would, like, set a bunch, and I'd only get, like, one in. And like, the editor and I was like, you just still let me have my little photo down there. Like, it was just. It was. It's a hard place to be. And then when she passed and they tried to bring it back, you know, it was with Kathy Griffin or whoever, it was really hard because it's like she got away with it. Cause she was Joan Rivers. She was a woman of a certain age. But, you know, then it was like, well, no, we shouldn't talk about people's bodies. So then the show becomes, you know, here's this person. They don't look great. That you don't like their outfit. They are a larger person. And then you're afraid to say so. You have to say, oh, my God, does she. You know what I love? I love the color blush. I love the color blush. It really brings out her rosy cheeks. And it just. And it was just. It's just boring.

[Heather McDonald]

It's boring. Yeah, because, I mean, people liked that, you know, ruthless sort of humor that Joan had. I think it really started when Juliana got canceled. Remember when Zendaya called her out and, like, that was A whole scandal. And they had to, like.

[Zach Peter]

I remember as in, I've said this story before, but in Juliana's defense, I remember somebody called me the day that story came out and said, what do you think about Juliana Rancic? I'm like, what's the story? And they told me what happened. That she said, oh, I think her dreads must smell like weed and patchouli. Patchouli. And I go, who is Undia? Oh, she's a Disney star or something. And my initial thought was, oh, she's probably like a real anti drug girl. And she's offended that she mentioned weed. I. I didn't know who she was, so I didn't even know what ethnicity she was. Yeah, I'm just imagining a girl with dreads and it being associated with weed. And that's what the problem was. Yeah, I didn't think like that. And then, of course, she didn't write that joke. Someone wrote it. It was approved. Then it was edited, then it was approved. Then the final improvement said, air it. And they threw her out to die. And. Yeah, and then it really got to be, don't say anything about anybody. Now I believe that is wrong, what they said. And it's crazy when you look at her, because I just did this. The American Reality TV Awards. And, you know, I've not had issues with my weight or whatever. But when you wear like a gown, it's very about the waist, which is kind of not my best feature. Like, I've thin legs, but whatever. So then I see my. I saw myself on camera and I thought I looked great. And I had Honey Love Spanx and all of it.

[Heather McDonald]

And not skims.

[Zach Peter]

No Honey Love, it's a sponsor. No, I really do like Honey Love. But anyway, I had everything and, you know, I looked good, but then I would see the angle from behind, and you don't see yourself behind. And it is.

[Heather McDonald]

And Joan Rivers would have called that.

[Zach Peter]

It's a tv. It is a tv. And I'm like, wow. I, you know, I would like to, like, work on my waist a little bit. Like, I was like, wow, that doesn't look okay. And so. And it's really challenging in these gowns, which is when you watch these Oscars and stuff, you really see how thin everyone is. Like, everyone has to be so thin because you're also cut just from, like the waist up. So it's like all you. If you're like bigger shoulders, arms, it's just like you immediately. And it is totally wrong to say all that. And I'm glad that era is gone.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And it's gone.

[Heather McDonald]

It served its purpose and people liked it for what it was. And now people like and now we can just move forward. What do you think about what's the scary movie coming back with the Waynes? Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. I love that. I think that'll be fun. Of course I want white chicks to come back. I say it all the time. I know I have the best story. I have the best idea for how they can come back.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, if scary movies a hit.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, we'll see. I wonder if like, you know, the biggest thing was I think that why the guys didn't want to do another one even though it was such a hit is just the amount of hours it took to get them in the. They'd literally be sleeping there doing that. And you know, but I wonder if there is a way and I don't think it'll be as good, but couldn't there be a way with like AI and stuff that almost like they could have like a. They just have to do the makeup. Yeah. And they're still doing the voices and acting like girls and doing all that. But maybe they wouldn't have to actually sit in a chair for seven hours.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And wear the tight skirts and the heels.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, no, the heels and the outfits were okay, but they had to lose a lot of weight before they did it. And they wore tights because they weren't going to cover their skin color. But no, the shoes and all that were like fine.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

A lot of the times they'd wear like 10 inches. Cause they were so tall too. But it was, you know, it was just putting all that in the wig and.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. On the prosthetics.

[Zach Peter]

Okay, so this guy is a football player named Josh Allen. He has an ex girlfriend named Brittany Williams. Well, he just got engaged to Hailee Seinfeld and they posted it and it was beautiful. So then I guess people went to her page, Brittany Williams, who's a cute girl and we're writing probably annoying things. And she wrote back as a response in, you know, to someone else. Luckily my boyfriend owns a team, so her new boyfriend owns a team and doesn't play for one. Don't have to be with another brain dead CTE athlete. So then people went crazy and then it got removed and then she said, can anyone help? Something going with my Instagram and I've been hacked.

[Heather McDonald]

Liar.

[Zach Peter]

Here's my advice. Just you shouldn't have said that. Definitely delete it and then ignore it.

[Heather McDonald]

Ignore it. Don't pretend it didn't happen.

[Zach Peter]

Don't address it. You don't have to explain that you, a stranger, broke into your house and wrote it. That they. The way they got hacked was just one snarky comment, and that you really are dating, you know, a owner of a team. That's where it then becomes a story. Had you not said you were hacked.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Then it would have been like, oh, my God, what a bitchy thing. And it would have just died.

[Heather McDonald]

Why are people still using the hacking excuse? Like, when has that ever. When has anybody ever been like, oh, yeah, somebody hacked into your phone and posted this on your social media account. And we believe that they would just intentionally want to put out this.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, the only way I think it happens is, like, where you. You get kicked out of your own account.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And now you've taken. I don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

It's scary, but hackers come to, like, spam people. Like, they want to. They don't want to, like, throw a shady comment just to, like, hurt your reputation. Like, they want to make money off of people. Like, they're not going to, you know, be shady in the comment section. Just for fun.

[Zach Peter]

Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner spent Thanksgiving together with their kids. They served the homeless. They did all these fun things together. And J. Lo's always, like, looking hot, like, showing up at places. And then, you know, they have three kids.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And a lot of people do invite their ex to the Thanksgiving, but she supposedly has a boyfriend, so I don't think they're getting back together.

[Heather McDonald]

But Jennifer Garner's the nice mom that's like, listen, we'll invite your dad to Thanksgiving, and, like, let's just make it nice for everybody and just pretend that, you know, everything's good. And I think she probably wants to have a good relationship with Ben Affleck. Like, even the reports that were saying, like, she was, like, trying to help him, you know, work on his relationship with J. Though, like, I believe that. I think Jennifer Garner just is, like, that nice person that just wants to, like, be like, listen, for the kids, it's better if you're at Thanksgiving and we have a nice relationship rather than us, you know, fighting with each other. Right.

[Zach Peter]

And then she's probably like, why am I getting involved? Like, you know what? That's why I'm divorced. That's why I divorced him. Cause he is crotchety.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And you got to see it full firsthand. And now you've moved on J. Lo, and you can come to our house for Thanksgiving.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Who cares? Apple Martin made her special debut as she was spun around the dance floor with Chris. This is Gwyneth Paltrowstro's daughter. They did like a debutante ball in Paris and it was everywhere. And I will share this photo with you, but I had my own debutante ball.

[Heather McDonald]

Did you?

[Zach Peter]

I did. At the Pretty Woman Hotel right here. I think they changed the name at the time. It was the Beverly Wilshire Sun Wilshire. But there you go. Debs are still making it happen. I don't know why it was in Paris, but I just guess it's like high society. But that is two exes hanging out together. They were both there for the event. Gwyneth and Chris Martin. So there you go.

[Heather McDonald]

See? And not everybody needs to be a Brad and Angelina.

[Zach Peter]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, that is messy. And the shots that they take and they get the kids involved and then it becomes the headlines and the lawsuits.

[Zach Peter]

He was just doing an interview and he's sober and looks amazing and whatever work he has done looks amazing. But it's also, you know, a few years of sobriety can really make you cuter. And, you know, he's singing the praises and I think that's great too, because what started, or what was the final straw was this alcohol allegedly fueled fight that happened on their private plane between Maddox and him. And so, you know, but it's kind of sad cause he does not really seem to see any of his kids. I think he sees the one boy twin. Knox is the only one that has not gotten rid of Pitt as his last name. The Vivian, the girl twin did.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Shiloh did. Sahara did.

[Heather McDonald]

Knox was just on a red carpet with Angelina.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, yeah, he looks so cute. They're so gorgeous.

[Heather McDonald]

But then in the court filing, Brad said that, like, that was Angelina trying to turn the kids against him and using the kids as like a, you know, an accessory to show that, like, the kids still like her. I think it was in his court, like in his response, because they're fighting over the Marival lawsuit.

[Zach Peter]

The winery.

[Heather McDonald]

The winery, yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Yes. Well, that's lame because that. That is so sweet.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, he's like, I want. He's like, I want the man might be the only.

[Zach Peter]

That might be the only kid that he's still talking to. So he's like, please don't let her turn you against me too.

[Heather McDonald]

She's like, let me put him on a red carpet show, everybody. He likes me.

[Zach Peter]

Justin Timberlake had to cancel another concert because of his suffering back.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, what is happening with his back?

[Zach Peter]

I don't know. But this is, this is what I think is going to happen.

[Heather McDonald]

Um, is it really because of his back or his, like, people just don't. Are not into him anymore.

[Zach Peter]

I think it's a lot of things I think, you know, if you're not feeling great and the sales aren't there and you can whatever I. But this is what I think is going to happen because I think because they also supposedly having trouble with the wife. I predict he'll just. He's going to go on a big tour with NSync.

[Heather McDonald]

That would be smart.

[Zach Peter]

And then so it won't be on his shoulders. Yeah, he won't have to do the entire show. He won't have to sell the entire show. And it'll take him back and be with guys. And it'll be like the Heiress tour but for middle aged women. And everybody will go, listen, new Kids.

[Heather McDonald]

On the Block do it. And people, they sell out every stadium that they do. It's insane that they still tour every year and fill all those seats. But people love that nostalgic. I mean, like, if he joined them.

[Zach Peter]

Too, then you'd have all this Justin Timberlake.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And that's somebody that people want. Like, people don't care about 98 degrees. Like their show is not looking too hot, but it's cause like 98 degrees and NSync, very different.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I think people want an NSync reunion and I think he just needs to like, get over his ego, know that his reputation is not. His reputation's not where it needs to be. And this will bring him back in good graces.

[Zach Peter]

Totally. And they'll have so much fun and. And everybody will just be killing it.

[Heather McDonald]

They'll forget what he did to Britney and they'll move on.

[Zach Peter]

We already did. Yeah, we already did. These stories end quick.

[Heather McDonald]

Doesn't she have a part two of her book coming out?

[Zach Peter]

No, I didn't know that.

[Heather McDonald]

I thought she had like another part of her book coming out.

[Zach Peter]

No, the book is supposed to be turned into a movie. Ooh, I did just see the actress who's gonna play a young Madonna.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh.

[Zach Peter]

In the biopic I saw. Oh, I don't know her name, but she looks just like her. It's like the, you know, the curly hair and like the, like her young, young, like when she was like 26. And it's a very good match, but I forgot the name. But so last things. Real Housewife of Potomac. I did not watch the latest, latest one, but I watched the one before and talk about an expensive party. So we know that these girls don't make a lot of money. And the professor.

[Heather McDonald]

It's been on for so long.

[Zach Peter]

The professor had another birthday party, okay, that was on the water, that had, you know, the ladies dancing, the lady wearing a champagne skirt, which, by the way, I would never want that because the only way I like champagne is if it's extremely cold. And now it's been sitting out.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, that's like trying out like the champagne walls, like all this.

[Zach Peter]

I hate any champagne wall. I want it in a bucket, cold as shit until you pour it in my glass any other way. It's disgusting. And. But it was such an expensive party. Did you see that party? It was. Everyone wore white.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I didn't see that.

[Zach Peter]

So she had a 40th birthday party and it was like. It was like a wedding. It was a hundred people. It was seated. It was just this whole thing. And she's like. And, you know. But she, you know, they're like, hey, I'm on a TV show. I'm gonna show off. I'm gonna try. And in that one, kind of similar to Dorit Ashley Darby, who is married to the older Australian, which I'm pretty sure she was his employee at one point and he was married and whatever. And then, you know, she's hot and young and they get married and then she doesn't want to do threesomes anymore and she has two kids. And he said, well, we can mediate, but then you need to say the non disparaging or the NDA, you could never talk about me. And she says, well, I'm not going to sign that because that puts everybody at jeopardy. Like, how do I know I'm living my life. How do I know that someone's not going to say something on camera and then be like, be sued by you? So she's like, I'm not doing it. And so I thought that was interesting, but she kind of was like, yeah, now I've grown. Like now I've outgrown him. It's not what I want. And he's like, you're not the girl. Yeah, I'm not the girl that was under your desk blowing you 23.

[Heather McDonald]

23. And wants to have threesomes all the time.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, that thought you were like the hottest thing. Which is why guys, if you're going for those young girls. Pk, I'm talking to you. When you think that some girl is acting like she's so into you and loves everything about you, just know that in 10 years, they're not the same girl saying that they are so excited to crawl under your desk and blow you at noon and then kick your cart and buy a new pair of shoes. And that shoe only has to be $700. That girl changes, especially when she gets on Housewives.

[Heather McDonald]

I was explaining this because I know this guy who is technically a sugar daddy, and he's always been very interested in me. He's rich. Boatloads.

[Zach Peter]

So we're talking gay sugar daddy world.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. And wanted to fly me on a private jet to come spend the week. And I've known him for so many years, and he's such a sweet guy.

[Zach Peter]

And you're like, only if I can bring my straight sugar mama. Heather. Hi.

[Heather McDonald]

I wish I didn't have so much pride and would actually take him up on those offers. But so finally he, you know, was in la and he's like, let me take you up.

[Zach Peter]

Because you were not attracted to him in that way.

[Heather McDonald]

Not in that way. You know, he's like somebody that I would come to. Like, he was my Tom Girardi. I would come to him for business advice or, like, pick his brain about things. But, like, I didn't want to, you.

[Zach Peter]

Know, be his boyfriend.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Only to now find out he came to LA recently and we went to dinner and. Cause I was like, you know what? Let's. I'll let you take me to dinner. Like, let's go somewhere nice. Yeah, of course. And so we went to a nice dinner, and he was telling me about his current boyfriend who's younger than me. Like, I'm age. I've aged out of the 20s, where I can be a cute little sugar baby in 20. Now I'm like, shit, now I have a couple of regrets. But. So I seen his boyfriend. His boyfriend's very cute, but they don't have sex. And the boyfriend. So they're just in a relation. They're in a partnership together. And the boyfriend gets to be the arm candy, the Erika Jayne. Let's go and walk the red carpets and do all the things. And you get to be pretty by my side. And then he gets to fool around and do his other things. But the whole situation was very bizarre because I was also thinking. I was like, well, shit, I could have had the house and the jet and I didn't have to bank you. Why did I not get that Disclosure.

[Zach Peter]

Whenever I'd hear stories about hookers that were like, well, I just go to dinner, and I was like, I could be a hooker if I just got to go to dinner. I'M a great conversationalist completely.

[Heather McDonald]

I was like, wait, you should have given me the terms and conditions up front. And then I would have absolutely signed that contract, put me on the jet, everything. I would have lala kented the whole.

[Zach Peter]

Had a beautiful dinner and then high fived and went to your own room and got on her phone and watched TikTok.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And like, I'm like, so I'm out to dinner with you, and I'm probably expected to bang you after this. And he gets to be in the house, I have to be in the hotel room. He gets to be in the house, on the jet, in Italy on vacation. Like, I was like, shit, I got the short end of that stick.

[Zach Peter]

Well, when he told you that, what did you say? Did you say, well, what is your plan? Are you gonna get rid of him in a year? Or, like, what is the plan that, you know, if you're not getting affection from him?

[Heather McDonald]

I told him upfront. I was like, I don't think this situation is good for you. I was like, now I care about you, Tom Girardi. Like, let me give you some advice, because he was also telling me that he pays for everything, but then the boyfriend has, like, a side nugget of money that he's building himself that he's keeping aside that he won't use. And I'm like, well, that means he's gonna leave you at some point if he already has his cash stored aside. Yeah, that's true. And he's using all of your money, then, like, at some point, he's gonna dip out. And he's just like, well, if he finds somebody that's richer than me that's willing to take care of him more than me, then he can leave me for it. And I was like, but then what happens in 20 years when he does leave you? You're not gonna find another 22 years. Well, maybe you will. Yeah, there's always gonna be.

[Zach Peter]

Especially in this town. In this town. Thank you so much for coming. You're so great. We had so much fun. And tell everybody where more of Zach.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I mean, all over the Internet. Zach Peter. Just plain Zach. No Filter with Zach Peter is my podcast. It's a daily podcast. Talk. Bravo. Pop culture, all the news.

[Zach Peter]

Well, it's great. And I'm glad that you are not off on some jet, because then you couldn't be here with me today.

[Heather McDonald]

I know. Listen, that's how you'll know when I have a sugar daddy is when I stop showing up to podcasts.

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