Ross Mathews on 90 Day Fiancé, Catfishing and Hollywood

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode: Ross Mathews on 90 Day Fiancé, Catfishing and Hollywood

Released: May 14, 2026

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Overview

In this lively and candid episode of Juicy Scoop, Heather McDonald welcomes her longtime friend and TV personality Ross Mathews. The episode covers Ross’s journey from “Ross the Intern” to hosting the “90 Day: The Single Life” Tell All, his insights into catfishing and reality TV, hilarious behind-the-scenes stories from Hollywood, and an unfiltered discussion about body image, Hollywood's weight loss trends, aging, and friendships in the public eye. The chemistry and camaraderie between Heather and Ross make for an engaging, witty, and honest conversation packed with juicy celebrity gossip, industry reflections, pop culture observations, and plenty of laughs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Heather’s Pop Culture Roundup [02:31–15:40]

• Bravo & Reality News: Heather dishes Bravo TV scuttlebutt, speculating on the future of Vanderpump Rules, the new “Lisa Las Vegas” show, the “Secret Lies, Texas Wives” concept, and the trend toward vertical, mobile-friendly shows.
• Scandal Watch: Heather humorously recaps Dorit and PK’s financial drama reminiscent of “Betty Broderick”, Meghan Markle’s evolving public image and rumors of forthcoming media projects involving her children, and Jamie Foxx’s impending fatherhood.
• Patreon Live Show: Announcement of her edgy, sold-out live show becoming available on Patreon.

Ross Joins the Show – TV Dreams Come True [15:40–18:44]

• Ross describes manifesting his “dream job” as host of the 90 Day: The Single Life Tell All after years as a passionate fan.

  "I just knew it. I knew in my bones...when I was a little kid, I used to watch Regis and Kathie Lee with my mom. I just was like, I know I'm gonna do that.” — Ross [16:31]

Marriage, Dating, & 90 Day Fiancé Obsession [18:44–26:44]

• Ross details meeting his husband the "old school" way, sans apps, on vacation in Puerto Vallarta.
• Heather and Ross debate the motivations of 90 Day Fiancé participants (romance vs. green cards), with Heather’s cynicism clashing with Ross’s optimism.

  “There are people all over this world that will fuck some of our ugliest citizens to become an American.” — Heather [20:40]
  “You are a pessimist...I view that their love has no borders.” — Ross [22:04]

• They discuss the perils of catfishing in international relationships, referencing 90DF couple Jenny and Sumit.

  “Catfishing, I think, is a red flag. Red. Total red flag.” — Ross [23:55]

• Ross offers to be a “wingman” for listeners’ dating lives and encourages DMs for advice.

Hollywood Career Reflections: From Intern to Host [24:51–33:00]

• Ross reminisces about starting on Leno 25 years ago and “cheating” on Heather with other iconic women, e.g., Drew Barrymore.
• The duo joke about Ross being a “serial gay womanizer” with enduring, platonic relationships with female celebrities.

Working with Drew Barrymore & Building Authentic TV [27:00–33:17]

• Ross recounts his unexpected, fateful start on The Drew Barrymore Show during COVID, forming an instant brother-sister bond with Drew.

  “It was like two people who needed somebody....I can't explain anything else, but right away, it was like, brother, sister, right away.” — Ross [28:56]

• Heather and Ross discuss how Drew’s up-close interview style, initially mocked, became her authentic, beloved trademark.

  “Just lean into who you are...Just be you. And, like, people don't like it, they can change channel.” — Ross [31:06]

Love It or Hate It – Revisiting Their Old Segment [33:15–33:50]

• Improv revisit of their talk show pilot’s format, playfully debating new “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives”-style reality concepts.

(Interspersed: Ads and Lighthearted Banter)

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Red Carpet Memories, Body Image & Ozempic Talk [38:16–46:34]

• Heather commends Ross’s weight transformation; Ross discusses his motivation rooted in his mother’s death and his approach to health.
• On “Ozempic shaming,” Ross is forthright:

  “There should be absolutely no shame in this...If something helps you...and with studies doesn't hurt you...we should not be shaming people.” — Ross [39:56]

• They reflect on how being thinner affects comedic material and audience reactions.

  “You are taking away a weapon...a comedic weapon.” — Ross [41:47]

Gray Hair, Gender, and Double Standards [42:27–46:07]

• Ross describes letting his hair go natural gray out of laziness and jokes about delayed self-awareness:

  “You just don’t see your own Santa coming out.” — Ross [43:44]

• They agree that it's much harder for women in Hollywood to go gray or handle weight scrutiny.

The Pressure to Stay Thin & Unhealthy TV Dieting [46:34–50:13]

• Raw remembrance of Celebrity Fit Club—crash dieting for reality TV and the unhealthy cycle “Weighing in every week on national television. That’s a great diet.” [48:18]
• “The check cleared...but at the time it was what my mother made in a year.” — Ross [49:40]

Surviving Show Business Ups and Downs [50:13–53:19]

• Reflections on his talk show Hello, Ross: elation, then crushing loss, and the psychological burden of “your dream dying” and affecting staff/friends.
• “I worried, and I put a bunch of weight on...Did I want to ever have something like that again that I could lose again?” — Ross [52:09]

The New “90 Day” Gig & Reality Tea [53:19–58:12]

• Ross details the “Single Life”’s mechanics—fan favorites post-breakup, now re-entering the dating world.
• Recaps wild cast member stories: Colt’s living arrangements (with ex and her parents in a retirement home, dating dramas, and a “walk-off” at the reunion).

  “There’s so much to talk about and that’s just one storyline. Colt has all these other connections with all the other people…” — Ross [57:04]

• Ross reveals the effort and seriousness he brought to hosting for devoted fans.

Ross’s Love of Active Senior Living [58:12–61:29]

• Ross extols early dinners, slip-on shoes, and embracing his “active senior citizen” lifestyle, with plans for a humorous book on the topic.

  “I have lived my life that way. I wear a sensible slip on shoe…A happy hour. A sensible bedtime.” — Ross [58:24]

Coast-to-Coast: From Palm Springs to New York [59:34–62:02]

• Talks about selling his Palm Springs home, moving east, running into Martha Stewart, and new social circles.
• “I feel like it’s running into an ex that I know I’m gonna end up with. That’s how I feel about Palm Springs.” — Ross [60:57]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On “90 Day Fiance”’s Essence:

  “I just knew it. I knew in my bones...when I was a little kid, I used to watch Regis and Kathie Lee with my mom. I just was like, I know I'm gonna do that.” — Ross [16:31]

• On Catfishing:

  “If you lie to me, you're out immediately...I wish I could help people. People should ask me. Send me a DM. I will help you with your dating life for free.” — Ross [23:55]

• On Hollywood Weight Trends:

  “There should be absolutely no shame in this...If something helps you...we should not be shaming people.” — Ross [39:56]

• On Comedic Identity Post-Weight Loss:

  “You are taking away a weapon...a comedic weapon.” — Ross [41:47]

• On Aging & Gender in Hollywood:

  “No one in Hollywood ever gave me an issue for my weight ever, ever, ever. And meanwhile, I know these women...were getting pressure. The gray hair was the same thing.” — Ross [45:45]

• On Industry Disappointments:

  “When your dream is dying, all these people are now out of work.” — Ross [52:08]

• On Becoming the “90 Day” Host:

  “This is really sort of a culmination of a dream come true. You know, I get infatuated with things and then, like I say, crawl into the TV and get into the thing I’m really obsessed with.” — Ross [83:08]

• On Pop Culture & Hate-Watching:

  “It’s your responsibility that it’s gone.” — Ross, playfully blaming Heather for the end of “And Just Like That” [69:17]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:31] – Heather’s Bravo and pop culture catch-up
• [15:40] – Ross Mathews joins, discusses 90 Day Tell All and manifesting TV gigs
• [18:44] – On marriage, old school dating, & 90 Day Fiancé fascination
• [23:13] – Catfishing, red flags, and dating advice
• [27:00] – Ross’s journey with Drew Barrymore and the value of authenticity
• [38:16] – Body image, Hollywood’s weight loss culture, and Ross’s journey
• [46:34] – Pressures of thinness and the toll of reality weight-loss shows
• [52:08] – Career setbacks and emotional fallout
• [53:19] – Breaking down the 90 Day “Single Life” reunion drama
• [58:12] – Embracing an “active senior citizen” lifestyle
• [59:34] – Moving from Palm Springs to the East Coast, social life with Martha Stewart
• [67:04] – Ross’s cameo on “And Just Like That” and the culture of “hate-watching”
• [83:03] – Details on the 90 Day: The Single Life Tell All air dates

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Flow, Tone & Takeaways

Ross and Heather maintain an irreverent, authentic, and self-deprecating tone throughout. The episode combines deep-dive reflection with punchline-heavy banter, generous helpings of industry gossip, and sincere vulnerability. Listeners get exclusive insights into both reality TV mechanics and how public personalities navigate evolving identities—and friendships—over years in the spotlight. The mutual affection and sharp wit make this a quintessential “Juicy Scoop” episode.

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Episode Highlight

A must-listen for fans of reality TV, the episode blends juicy behind-the-scenes scoop, thoughtful commentary on the realities of dating, aging, and showbiz, and laugh-out-loud moments. Ross’s journey to hosting the 90 Day Tell All is especially inspiring for anyone manifesting their own dreams—on or off TV.

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Next up: Don’t miss Ross Mathews hosting 90 Day: The Single Life Tell All on TLC, May 18 & May 25!

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Transcript

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You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in, listen up. Hannah McDonald juicy scoop hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, I have such a great show for you today. I'm gonna catch you up on some hot Topics. And then I get into even more funny hot Topics with one of your favorites, the infamous fabulous Ross Matthews. We get into 90 Day Fiance in which he is hosting the reunion, as well as many fun memories from our past and juicy things from the Drew Barrymore show to Inside Scoop in Hollywood. So first, let me give you some more scoop that came out just a couple days ago. In the world of Bravo, so many people are speculating, will Vanderpump rules with the new cast? Are they coming back or not? It's still up in the air. And the reason people are questioning it is because they announced that Lisa Vanderpump has a brand new show about her life running her restaurants in Las Vegas, which I have said would have been great. I'm not saying I'm a genius, I'm just saying I do think this is great. I love Las Vegas as far as a genre of television and film. It is just such an interesting place. It's fun and exciting, depressing, aspiring. I don't know what other people will be featured in it. But like I said in the past when I've manifested this just manifesting mama, I said you could have an aspiring comedian, you could have an aspiring aerialist, you could have an aspiring magician, actor, model, you know, just pretty girl looking to marry a sugar daddy. I don't know all working at the restaurant. And I'm hoping they found those interesting characters. The name is great. Lisa Las Vegas. Like viva Las Vegas. So I think it's gonna be great. I predict that. Unfortunately, I don't think Vanderpump will come back. The original one with the new cast, it just seemed to get very little buzz. I didn't even realize that they had a reunion. They did. So there you go with that. There's also another new show called Let me write that Secret Lies, Texas Wives. It's kind of taking off the name of the Hunting Wives, which was such a hit. The scripted show from Netflix about gun toting bisexual, late in life lesbians that also have husbands and are God fearing women in wigs. There is a place called Bourne Texas and they're supposedly all from there and they live a life while working on a ranch. I'm getting some inside scoop about this show that not everybody is exactly from Bourne or they don't live on ranches. That is always the case with these shows. You, you know, they gotta cast them, they gotta make the most of this production. And remember, Kim Richards didn't live in Beverly Hills either when the show started. So of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So there you go. There's also going to be some short vertical shows. We've talked a lot about vertical shows lately in Hollywood, which is basically a shorter episodic show that you watch like you would vertically on your phone, like a TikTok one. Madison from Southern Charm is going to have one where she's doing people's hairs. Hair and putting in their weave while they tell them some great confessional thing. I mean, I just want to say, do you imagine if like you spill your beans, okay, about having an affair on your husband or something real juicy or real confessional that you would tell your hairdresser and you give it all for a free weave on a vertical show like you're not even on a regular peacock show. You're not making the most of it. Like Risa Tisa, you know, that got 12 deals from telling her awful story about her husband on TikTok in the 10 minute long form. So I'm guessing, though I love Madison, she's very pretty. I'm guessing the confessionals are very produced and they're not any life changing juice in which someone's life would be ruined. So but fun little idea and I think there's a version of that too. A couple other ones. We know the Gen Z, the next gen kids of children from real Real Housewives or they're going to be doing la. I don't know when that's coming out, but so those are a little bit there. And they're doing like a one day fan fest mini Bravo con in Charlotte. So those are the big news out of that Dorit and pk. My God, this is just continuing on and on. I don't know who to believe. People are wondering how does Dorit make this much money? He says she makes 3.3 million, he makes 3.2 million a year. She spends all the money on the clothes. He spends his life living like a pauper but spending all the money on the kids and you know, but nobody bothered to spend the money on the mortgage and now their house is in foreclosure and it's like a few days away. So I want to know how much was the mortgage payment, how you know, in her defense, she said that was his job. And I kept in, there's texts saying that she keeps asking about it. He's like, ignore that letter. It doesn't mean anything. And he's saying he wants the world to know that she is a shopaholic of major designer things. She spent like a million dollars over a four month period or something like that. So you know what it reminds me of Betty Broderick. Betty Broderick. And I'm not accusing anyone of going down the Betty Broderick route, but when she was going through her divorce, she was spending like crazy designer clothes just to spend the money that was still theirs together before it was separated. Now it appears that Dorit always spent this way and she just was continuing to do it. I don't know. I don't know if it's a hoarding situation or what the next exciting news is. So many of you have asked me what was my Netflix as a joke live juicy scoop. Like you were sad you couldn't get tickets. It sold out right away. The audience was absolutely fantastic. So many of you reached out and said it was one of your favorite shows you've attended of mine. And that means so much to me. And now I'm very excited to say that I am doing what you guys have asked for and I will be releasing the extremely edgy, juicy episode of that live show that we recorded just last week on my Patreon. This Friday. You go to patreon.com juicyscoop to make sure that you are signed up and you will get that on Friday. And it's so funny. It is very edgy, you know. So if that is not for you, then you wouldn't be a juicy scooper. Anyway, I know you're not going to say, oh, it's too much for me. You, you're going to want to go. You're going to love it. And for those of you that were there, you are most likely Patreon people anyway and you can watch it or share it with your friends. And of course Chris, Franjola and Brandy and Julie are on it and it was just so fun and I'm so grateful to be bringing it to you. So again, you go to patreon.com juicyscoop and make sure that you have joined. You can watch that and then all the other episodes that have piled up for the last almost 10 years, all commercial free. Thank you. Little more on Summer House. Oh my God. They show a preview of next week of west who is making out with Sierra. So there's three women that we've talked about with this west character. There is the woman he's currently with, Amanda, who was married to Kyle. There's also a clip from this past episode where they're hugging and kissing and they say I love you like a hug and like A kiss on a cheek and it's a long embrace. It's tits against chest, it's boner against crotch, it's embracing. It's snuggling in the neck with your platonic friend while you're married who is also screwing or had been screwing your friend Sierra. And the I love you just flows off the lips. They have claimed that nothing was going on during the summer sexually. Well, of course people don't believe it. My first thought when I saw this was, can someone check on Jen Fessler, the Real Housewives of New Jersey woman who Sierra accused of also sleeping with West? She has denied it. She said that west called her and spoke to the family and said, I don't, I'm so sorry. I don't know how this crazy rumor got started. But then also they showed a preview at the upfronts, which is all the advertisers in which Kyle reveals that west has also had a full on relationship with a whole other woman this past year. So we might even be cheating on Amanda with her. Who the hell knows? And then we see next week he makes out with Sierra again. I mean, this guy. It's a fascinating situation and I've talked a lot about it and we even talked about it more at the live show, which you want to get. Also, according to the New York Post, it's an exclusive. Meghan Markle is basically the breadwinner. Yeah, we know that. And the funds are tight and she's focusing on growing her as ever lifestyle arrange after recently parting ways with Netflix. Money is tight. How is she gonna do it? Well, they were just at Disneyland. I don't know that they got free tickets. All the photos were taken. Hiding the children's identities, shooting them from the back. So obviously she allowed people to come with her and was like, show these photos. Let's get it out there that we're just a cute family. And they even had a moment where the little girl Lilibet gets to meet the Disney princesses. And I'm like, what a shame. Does she even know that her mom at one time was a princess? She's going to Disneyland waiting in a hot sweaty line with a bunch of commoners when she in fact is a princess or could have been had they not left. I'm telling you guys, I predicted the Las Vegas Lisa Vanderpump show. Megan Markle is going to be on something that features her kids and her husband sooner than we think. Whether it's a ensemble type show, reality, something she's going to have to pimp out those kids, which I think is crazy because the whole thing was privacy, privacy, privacy. The privacy tour. Our kids need to stay private. We're not safe without 24 security yet. You're going to Disneyland and we know what's coming because you don't have a deal with Netflix anymore. So good luck to you. Jamie Foxx is going to be a dad again. He has a beautiful blonde girlfriend who I looked up the age I've heard anything from 22 or 30. He is 58. She's young and beautiful and she is having his baby and I'm sure they're very happy together. All of that. So interesting. Remember when he dated Katie holmes for like two years? That was a weird match. He has a 33 year old daughter and a 17 year old daughter from two different relationships and we wish them luck. He's got a bunch of pickleball courts on his property that I've played out that are real fun and I'm sure his kid will get a free paddle out of it. All right, you guys, now I'm very excited to talk to my dear friend Ross Matthew. It's like two old gals laughing it up and remembering things and getting into some juicy scoop. And here we are with the television personality and everybody's best friend, Ross Matthews. I have one of my favorite people on earth. He's really grown up. He's really become a huge star. From intern to host to the star of the Drew Barrymore show Drag Race and now host of TLC's 90 Day Single Life. Is that the title of the reunion?

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It's 90 day the single life. The tell all.

[A]

The tell all. And I mean, talk about manifesting a dream come true.

[B]

I know. Listen, Heather, it's like I would watch 90 Day Fiance I have since season one, right? And I would talk at the TV. You know me, I'm, I'm an, I'm an engaged viewer. I'm invested and I just wouldn't shut up about this show. And I talked about on my social media and I talked about on the Drew show and I just kept talking about it because I love it. And then cut to now and I'm hosting the tell all. It is like I'm crawled into my favorite show. It's like a dream.

[A]

And how did the offer come about?

[B]

You want to know the nitty gritty?

[A]

I do. I kind of want to know like, was it just like, you know, you saw an email or was it something else?

[B]

There was an email and then I was like, you know, Aya, the tiger. I. I knew that this was the gig. I knew that I wanted this, you know, and so I just convinced them, I think. And the truth is, Heather, you know, like, there are some things that I know I'm not meant for. You know, like, I'm like, I'm not. I'm not gonna be good at that. And this. I just knew it. I knew in my bones, you know, when I was a little kid, I used to watch Regis and Kathie Lee with my mom. And I remember being. I just was like, I know I'm gonna do that. I want to do that. You just see how you know things. I just knew it, that this was going to happen.

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[A]

That's kind of the way I felt about Oprah. I was like, watching Oprah and I said, I either wanna be Oprah or I wanna work on a show like that.

[B]

I get it, like, just look at

[A]

Heather and then look at me now.

[B]

No, but truthfully, look at you now. But seriously, like, you know what I mean? You are doing, like, the 2026 version of that. In your way. You're doing. We do feel things in our bones. I also love when you said manifest, because I've never, you know, I guess I do put the man in manifest, don't I?

[A]

Yes. You're a. You're a married man still. Like, I think one of the funnest destination weddings I ever had the pleasure of going to. Such fun people. It was so beautiful.

[B]

I love you were there in your yellow dress. You look so pretty. It was one of the best weddings in the history of time. It just was so fun. Everyone was in a great mood. The energy was the best, you know?

[A]

And how many years are you guys celebrating now? Are you, like, four or five?

[B]

Literally four was our fourth anniversary. Like, think last week.

[A]

Still going strong.

[B]

It's the best. You know, I'm. I. I really just think my husband is the. You know, and I think that that's the key. He's, like, smarter than me in different ways. I'm smarter in a couple. Maybe, like, one other way. But, you know, we really, like. He keeps me on my toes. He thinks I'm the shit, too, but he also, like, nudges me a little bit. I just feel like a better version of myself than I've been, you know, not. I just think maybe that's growth, that's getting older. But I like it. I like how I'm. How I'm aging.

[A]

I do, too. Now, I remember when you told me how you met and you did meet in Puerto Vallarta, right? On a vacation. You were on a vacation and you met there?

[B]

Yeah, we met like the pilgrims used to, you know, in person on vacation in Puerto Vallarta. Like, no apps, just like. No, just like old school.

[A]

So do you think in your fascination of 90 Day Fiance? Because I always feel like 90 Day Fiance proves that I don't care where you stand politically, but there are people all over this world that will fuck some of our ugliest citizens to become an American. And we need to be grateful to be American.

[B]

You're such a pessimist. You are such a pessimist.

[A]

But no, I'm just saying, like, you see, there's certain couples on there that you're like, this is never gonna last. And then there's an extra thing of, like, they get to be on tv, too. So imagine you wanna come to America, and you think when you Think of America, you think of Hollywood, and then they meet somebody, and then the opportunity comes to meet and to pursue this romance and be on tv. It's like a triple header. And then we get to sit back and watch it. Sometimes it does work out, you know, but it's very. It is so much fun. And, you know, there's been so many seasons and so many variations of it. But do you think, had you not found the love of your life, would you have ever sought out, you know, someone from another country?

[B]

Well, that's a very interesting question. Okay, so for starters, you are a pessimist. The way you view it, because I. This is how I view 90 day. I view that their love has no borders. Okay. Like, you know what I mean? Like, no, I totally think.

[A]

I think it's. But I'm saying the. An appeal has to be that this person from another country has a dream of possibly be living in America.

[B]

But then they do.

[A]

Then they do it the other way too, which is fun.

[B]

I do like the other way too. Here's the deal. I don't know that it's all about getting to America, but I do know that there are certain hurdles that are just in place when you. When you fall in love with somebody from another country. Do what? Would I have been open to it? Absolutely. Listen, I love my, my Wellington. You know, that I like my, My, My, My husband. But I. If I found somebody, you know, like, say, you know, online or something, and I was like, dating, and it was like, oh, let me fly over there and meet them. Like, I, I would have been open to it. I wouldn't have let a boundary keep me from somebody.

[A]

Now, what do you think about sort of the catfishing element of dating someone in another country? That can happen to people.

[B]

Unforgivable. Listen, a perfect example of this would be Jenny and Submit. If you watch 90 Day Fiance. When. When Jenny first started dating. Submit. And by the way, they have been together and now happily married for, I don't know, eight years. I mean, like, a long time ago.

[A]

I know the couple you're talking about. She is white, right?

[B]

Yes. From Palm Springs.

[A]

Yes. And where was he? And where was he from again?

[B]

India.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So, yes, they went. Yeah.

[B]

When they first met, they were talking and he was using a different picture.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then, you know, came clean and, like, I would have been out. Out right away. You should. You give me a different picture. I. I don't care. Like, I'm. You don't have to be a 10. You know what I mean? I'm lucky that I married a 10. But, like, you don't have to be a 10 to get with this. You know, there's been a few less than tens along the way, so I wouldn't have. But if you lie to me, you're out immediately. But look, they. They were able to get over that little. That little bump. But catfishing, I think, is a red flag. Red. Total red flag. There are so many red flags. I wish I could. You know what I wish I could help people? Dating. I would love to be, like a wingman for people. I am really good at it. I dated for a long time. I liked dating. I liked it. Yeah. You know, and I wish I could help people through it. People should ask me. Send me a DM at Hello, Ross. I will help you with your dating life for free.

[A]

Yeah, I think that you. Yeah, I think that you do give great advice.

[B]

I do.

[A]

You know, you've lived such a life. You know, you started out just a little boy watching Regis. And it was Kathie Lee at the time. Kathy Lee, of course. And then you became Ross the Intern, which you truly was. An intern. And then you came on camera.

[B]

Can you believe, heather? That was 25 years ago that I started on Leno. 25 years ago.

[A]

That's amazing. And then, you know, we met on Chelsea lately and, you know, had great chemistry. Though I accept that a guy as fabulous as you has great chemistry with other women besides just me. And it's hard when you realize that there's other women out there like Drew. Mary. I am sort of a gay.

[B]

I'm a gay womanizer, aren't I?

[A]

You are. You are more than anybody else.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

I think that you have. I mean, you and. And all the girls that you have cheated on me with, I also adore. So I think as a serial gay womanizer, you actually have a great picker. So I appreciate saying a great.

[B]

Great what?

[A]

Picker.

[B]

Oh, picker.

[A]

You pick great women.

[B]

I thought you said. I. Okay. I thought you said pecker. No, I have a great. Yeah, listen, here's the deal. I never thought about this before, but I. You know, it's not that I hit it and quit it. I didn't quit you, Heather.

[A]

No, you have long term. You're like. You're like Cody from Sister Wise. You have many women.

[B]

I was gonna say like Warren. Warren Jeffs. You know, of. You do it. That guy that. Who had, like, multiple wives. You know, I'm definitely the him of gay womanizers.

[A]

Without. Yeah, without.

[B]

You know, without The. Like, the. The child bride stuff, I don't do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Without that.

[A]

No, you don't. You don't do underage anything, so. That's nice.

[B]

No, that is nice. Is that nice?

[A]

Yeah. You had. You have such great chemistry, but really so perfect for Drew.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

The show has been on now for how many years? Gosh.

[B]

You know, honestly, we just finished our sixth season, and we just got picked up for season seven and eight. And Heather, you know. You know how difficult that is in daytime tv. And this has nothing to do with me, honestly, it has to do with. With Drew because she. In those years when it wasn't easy, when we were, like, on the bubble, I think the powers that Bea said if anyone's gonna pop through, it's going to be Drew because she's got a work ethic. She's got an iconic. You know, she's iconic, and she has that iconic name recognition. And I think they just took a chance on her. And I will tell you, if you're gonna take a chance on someone, take a chance on Drew Barrymore because she's real deal.

[A]

She.

[B]

You met her. She's the real deal.

[A]

Yeah. She was your flower girl at the wedding.

[B]

She. She was.

[A]

And she is, you know, total delight. Truly genuine. And we know now that authenticity is where it's at, whether you're an influencer, reality star, or a talk show host. And I think that, you know, it started when you guys started. It was. You were a Covid show.

[B]

Yeah. Do you know the whole story of that? Do you know how it started? You want me tell you?

[A]

Yeah, tell.

[B]

So it was Covid. It was September 2020. My mom had just passed away, remember, back in May, I had met Wellington right before the pandemic. And then we were like, okay, bye. Bye. I got, like, you know, like six months. I was like, in la, he was in New York, and we were like, zoom dating.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so eventually in that. In September, I was like, I'm going to go to New York. I didn't know Drew anything, and I knew her producer, so I. He was my friend Chris. I had Chris Miller. He's now the Tonight Show EP showrunner. And I was like, do you want to get a drink when I'm in New York? You know? And so he was. He said, oh, my God. Drew just started the show and she's alone in the studio. There was no audience. Remember, back then?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It wasn't even mass audience, no audience, and she would, like, talk to celebrities on a computer. Right. It just was tough and she was live. And he said, would you come in and do the news with her one day? And I was like. He said, if I can get you cleared through all the COVID things you have to do, let me. You know. So I did. He got me cleared, and I went and did the her show once, and it was like, you know, she was a little lost in that studio, and I was lost in life because I was cracked open after my mom. And it was like, it two people who needed somebody. I can't explain anything else, but right away, it was like, brother, sister, right away. And they asked me to come back the next day and the next day, and I never went home until the end of that season. And then I've been there ever since. It was one of those things that maybe my mom did it or something, but there's. There's something magical about. About the connection and the timing and. And I. I don't know what would have happened with Wellington and I if we would have been married so soon, if. If I hadn't moved to New York then and all of this had happened, you know?

[A]

Right. Yeah. Everything always works out the way it's supposed to be. Now. I think it's funny because you started out and it was Covid, and you couldn't touch anyone, but then she really popped off because people, the viral videos of how she likes to really get in the lap, literally, of her guests. And, you know, she has a great sense of humor about it, but that is her, and she doesn't stop that. And it's. Now it's continued. It's just her vibe. Was there ever a time.

[B]

Yeah, I know what you're gonna ask. Was there ever a time when, like, the notes came in. The focus groups don't do that, or you thought or.

[A]

Yeah. Was there ever any discussion about it or even a guest that was like, I love Drew, but that would make me uncomfortable to talk that close or everyone just wants her. Her perfect little cute face at, like, you know, that close.

[B]

I can't speak to what everybody wants. You know, I think if, like, I don't know that there's ever been a guest who didn't want to be up close. I think people are kind of like, yeah, I mean, she's her. You want to. I mean, it's authentic. And it's also, like, you don't get to see someone that famous that often. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But I will say, like, it wasn't lost on everyone when, like, at first it was being kind of made Fun of that. She was a close and personal with everybody. But to, like, the power of her. And honestly, Jason Kurtz, who does our show, is. It was like, just lean into who you are. You have to be who you are. Especially on daytime television. That. That is not about a setup punchline. Daytime television, daytime telev. Television is about opening your soul up. I know that that sounds cheesy, but really, it's about, like, this is who I am, warts and all. And so they just, like, dug in. And now it's become, like, what could have been a, like, cringy thing is just an identifiable mark of how she does this job. And I think that's another reason why it's working. And that's a lesson for all of us. Just, like, just lean into who the you are. Just be you. And, like, people don't like it, they can change channel.

[A]

Yes. And obviously, it's. It's working out perfectly.

[B]

And it's working for you too. Look at you. I. You know how proud I am of you. I watch, you know, I love you and I'm your friend, but, like, just as, like, somebody who, like, sees what you're doing. I'm so proud of you because you have done that too. You really are. And I think everybody listens to this and watches you knows that. And I know how hard that is to do, to make that choice, just to be all in on yourself. And I just want to toot your

[A]

tutor and thank you. I love that. And, you know, we did a talk show pilot together.

[B]

We did. And I love that show, by the way.

[A]

I feel like it could have been better, but I was doing Chelsea Lay at the same time. It was kind of a. It was fine. It was called Love it or hate it.

[B]

Love or hate? Love it or hate it. No, it's called one of those.

[A]

I thought it was love or. Yeah, it was love or hate. And it was like, Hot Topics. Do you love it or you hate it? Let's debate it. But if you think about that really can't go on forever.

[B]

Well, it could have. It could have always, like, I guess

[A]

you could always love or hate it. I could have, like, a segment on Jesus, go over hate. But then after that, do it with

[B]

you, and we just do it here instead of on E. Because we would get more people to see it.

[A]

All right, let's just do a love it or hate it right now.

[B]

I'm just gonna do let's do it.

[A]

Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Do you love it? And now they're doing ones in like the oc do you like these girls dancing around in their messiness or do you?

[B]

I've never seen it so clearly I hate it not making its way to me in my algorithm. I don't know is it worth There is so much out there and I'm a little busy with 90 day. I have to tell you there's a lot of episodes and I'm not cheating on 90 day. Is it worth it?

[A]

Right? You only have so much time in your life.

[B]

Exactly. I'm a human right?

[A]

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[B]

I have been outside the Met Ball. I covered it two years ago and I used the Porta Potty and no, but I've never been inside. But I will say Anna Winter in the middle of a sentence. She was talking, she stopped what she was saying and looked at me and said, I love your jacket.

[A]

Come on, that's pretty good.

[B]

It was pretty great. Yeah. No campers were rolling at the time.

[A]

All right, I want to ask you also, you've had quite the relationship with your body changing. So you, when we first saw you, you were a jolly kind of heavyset, heavyset type young guy and then you lost weight and then you maybe gained a little bit back, but you've now been a slim gym a stylish dude for, I don't know, probably like what, like seven years where you've been this size and maintained it and so great with your rossipes and using, you know, the healthy ways of, you know, healthier food and exercise and everything. How do you feel about now? You know, there so many people now are having such great success with getting the jumpstart with the GLP1s and all of that. I just want to kind of hear your opinion of it and what you think's going on with that in Hollywood and are some people taking it too far?

[B]

Okay, well. Okay. I have so many thoughts and I've never ever really talked about. No one's ever asked me about this. This is what's great about you, Heather, is you go there. All right, let's go there. So my health journey started in 2020 after my mom died. And I was like, the biggest gift I could give her is to get my own shit together so I can stick around on this planet for as long as possible. So that was my. My why. And I think you have to find your why and then you figure out the how. So my why was that? My how was like, I gotta start cooking for myself. That was my Rossipes. Now listen, this is back in 2020. You had heard maybe of Ozempic, but it wasn't something that was available.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I wish I would have done Ozempic. And people use it as a shame. Like whenever I'll post a picture and people will be like, ozempic queen Ozempica. I'm like, you're trying to shame one I did it. But like two had I, I would be seeing it from the rooftops. Like there should be absolutely no shame in this. Listen, it is hard enough to figure out how to be a healthy grownup, you know what I'm saying? I'm not alone in that. It is difficult, especially when you have an unhealthy relationship with food and something that helps you with that, that they say with the studies doesn't hurt you. Knock, knock, knock. Hopefully that's true, that there's no terrible side effects 20 years down the line. But we should not be shaming people if there is would if you have a headache, you take a Tylenol like there things make things easier. If you have cancer, you do chemo for a reason. This is a, an issue that people have. I know I had it. And so I hate that people shame people that use it. And I especially hate that people try to use it to shame me when I don't even do it.

[A]

Do you feel that you know that once you changed to be fit and thin, gorgeous model that you are.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

No longer a plus size model. Did anybody be like, you're not as funny now? You know that always happens with someone who is funny and a little bit fuller. People seem to think that is what is one of the things that makes them funny. And then they get thin and they're like, you're not as funny.

[B]

You know, it's. Maybe people thought that, I don't know. I don't know people thought that maybe they did. But I'll tell you it does take away your own punchline. You know, I always. There are certain things I could always like if I didn't have an observational punchline. There was always like, oh, through the gay lens or through the fat lens.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And they're, you know, self deprecating thing. So when you take that away, you are taking away a weapon, you know, like a comedic weapon. And so it was funny as like your body changes, but your mind, there's a delay before your mind catches up with where your body is. And I would be like, you know, writing jokes or even in the moment saying jokes from that point of view. And the audience was not laughing or responding. I was like, oh, my God, Ross, you need to catch up with. With who you are now. And so that was the bigger shift that I felt. Whether people think I'm funny or not, I don't. One, I can't control. And two, what are you gonna do?

[A]

Yeah. And then how do you feel about now being a silver fox? Like going full natural gray.

[B]

I never did anything other than let it just be what it was, you know. And so I don't know, I always thought it was kind of gray. Is it jarringly gray now? Should I die? I just feel.

[A]

No, I think it looks good. And I don't think we should start that. I think it's really hard for guys with short hair to dye it. And I don't think you should. I mean, Peter's gone.

[B]

Calling me a hero.

[A]

No, but I mean, Peter's gone full white. And there was a time where, you know, there was a little whatever, the Gray Men in a Box or whatever it's called. What is that called?

[B]

Just for Men. Gray Men in a box.

[A]

Yeah. And then one day it was just like, oh, fuck it. And it's just like. It is great. And then I saw the episode where they brought in the famous hairdresser and Valerie Bertinelli and Drew.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So they put gray wigs on them. And I mean, I think when the hair is great hair and your makeup is done, it is a cool look. The natural gray. For some people. I think it.

[B]

For some people. Listen, I. Yes. I think you should do whatever you want to do, period. Blanket statement. Okay. I will tell you, going gray wasn't like a decision that I made. I just am kind of too lazy. And I guess I didn't realize until recently that it's this gray because people start whenever I would see someone like you who I hadn't seen in a while. People go like, love your hair. And for A while. Like, until. I mean, like, really recently. Like, weeks ago. I thought, like, oh, they noticed that I kind of grew it out a little because it's longer on the top. Yeah. I didn't realize they were saying that because it has gotten Santa white. Like, you just don't see your own Santa coming out. It never. I didn't see it. And then when you say it and I look, I'm like, oh, I guess so. But I think, anyway, that's my point of view now. Drew looks great. Val looked great with gray hair. They. It be hard to look bad. But I will say, like, I. It is much harder for women because, like, let's say, for example, you or Jennifer Aniston all of a sudden were like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna go great. Like, when does Jennifer Aniston go great? Does she just, like, ever? Or does she just come out one day? Or she'd start, you know that when, you know, they had like the skunk stripe and they just let it grow and it's like a half and a half and you just do it and you figure it out. Will she ever go gray? Will you ever go gray?

[A]

I don't know. Because, you know your really good friend Nikki Boyer, she rocked it, you know. Creator of Dying for Sex, Peabody Award

[B]

winner for Dying for Sex. I mean, amazing Jenny Slate played her in the. I am so proud of Nikki Boyer. Thank you. She's in Italy right now on vacation. A well deserved vacation. She's amazing. And yes, she did decide to go gray. And it was a whole process. And even some of our close friends gave her shit for going gray.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I. I see. I see it. I can see it. It looks. Yeah. For me. Not there yet. I don't know when I'll be there, but I. Anyway, I think it's a cool thing that's really working for.

[B]

For people and so much harder for women than men. It's same thing about with weight. I know. No one in Hollywood ever gave me an issue for my weight ever, ever, ever. And meanwhile, like, I know these women who I was standing with on the red carpet were getting pressure. I know it. The gray hair was the same thing. So that's unfair.

[A]

Yeah. Now it's. And now it's the criticism of, oh, now everyone's too thin. You know, it used to be you're heavy, then. Okay. You know, then there's some bitterness of when someone that they admired that was a little fuller figure, they get to a healthier place and then it's like, you've abandoned the cause. And you were like, what cause was that? Like, just like, let me just do what's right for me. You know, like, again, let me just do what's right for me.

[B]

I understand when people get too thin, though. I do, because. And by too thin, I want to do air quotes, right? Because it also, it is a weird game, you know, like, you feel like in control when you're at a certain number. You know, I remember I got to like 165, and I was like, this is probably five pounds too thin, and this is probably perfect, right? And then now I'm at like 173 because it's like the neighborhood. And I feel like, oh, is it gross? Am I gross? Am I gross? Because I'm not like 165. So it's like, I understand where you. If you get that low, you think if you get above that at all, you feel like it's more about the scale as opposed to your body, you know? And like, I think that's the struggle sometimes. It's this, this like self imposed thing.

[A]

What was the. What was the reality show that you did about weight loss?

[B]

That was a nightmare. This was back in, what, 2004 or 5, it was called Celebrity Fit Club. And they asked me to do a bunch. I was like, on Leno a couple years. I had no contract. I was making like 500 every couple months. Like, nothing. And they called me, like, do you want to be on the show where you lose weight? And I was like, absolutely not. Like, I. And they said, it pays whatever it paid. And I said, what time should I be there? And so I did it. And when I showed up, it was like, me and Screech, Tiffany, this thing. I think we're alone now, right? All these things. And when I got there, nobody knew who I was. And Tiffany asked me to get her a water because she thought I was. You're a pa. And you know what I did?

[A]

Got her a water.

[B]

I got her a water.

[A]

And then she's like, wait, why are you getting miked up to go do a jump. Jumping jack or something?

[B]

Yes. Why are you getting jumped up to kayak against a brat? Well, Tiffany. Because they're paying me to anyway. So I, like, it was the first time I ever lost weight and I just starved myself because they would. You know what a great diet is? Weighing in every week on national television. That's a great diet. So I just didn't eat anything. And I lost 40 pounds. And the second it was over, I ordered two a large Domino's Thin crust because I was on a diet. Pizzas. And I finished them because I was starving. And then the weight came. Weight plus came on. You know, like there was no conversation about my health at all. It was about, can you lose more weight than Maureen McCormick?

[A]

Oh, my God. Wait, but you won it, right? You won it?

[B]

Of course, Heather. Of course.

[A]

How much was it that you lost total? Do you remember?

[B]

£41. I know, exactly 41.

[A]

And how many days?

[B]

Six weeks or something. I mean, really not good, Heather. Like, too fast, unhealthy. I just was like, I guess I.

[A]

And that was before the controversial show that they just did the doc on, where they weigh the people. What was that called? The Biggest Loser. The Biggest Loser. Yes. That was before Biggest Loser.

[B]

Probably same time. Same what, 2004? Yeah, something like that. And awful, awful, awful, awful. But the check cleared. And it wasn't even like life changing money. But at the time, it was like what my mother made in a year. I remember.

[A]

Yeah, because you're. And you're young and.

[B]

Oh, my God, I was 24 and, like, just figuring it out and, you know, this business, like, you know, you. You figured it meant I was gonna be on TV for a couple months, you know, and like, when you got

[A]

your own talk show.

[B]

Yes. Hello, Ross.

[A]

Hello, Ross. It was. Was it once a week?

[B]

Once a week. Friday nights.

[A]

Friday nights. And it was under the Chelsea umbrella. You were on, like, the floor above or below us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you know, I mean, that must have just been like a major pinch me moment.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But when you. When you find out it's not gonna continue.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What was like, the. How. What was your thought process? Was it was like, bigger than bigger and better or what was that for you?

[B]

Completely devastated because one like, you know, Regis, remember?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That was the. The goal. The North Star. And so in a way, I thought like, oh, I did it. You know, and we were on for two seasons, and then it went away for multiple reasons, you know, like, Chelsea was leaving the network for a bunch of reasons and whatever. And I remember thinking, like. Like, I'm over. This is it. I went to Palm Springs and I painted the cabinets in my kitchen, and I painted, like, all the walls in the house. I just was like, what color? White.

[A]

Black?

[B]

No, white. Like white. Bright white. And I just. My friend Taya came over and she's like, what, are you okay? And I just was like, I'm painting this wall today. Like, I just went.

[A]

Didn't Tea also work on the show?

[B]

Yeah, she was my best friend. Taya is still my best friend from elementary school, high school. We wrote Chelsea lately, my books together. So it was just. She's a brilliant writer, producer. She's just brilliant. And so.

[A]

So that's hard, too, that you, like. Have you hired some friends?

[B]

Oh, all. My college roommate was a producer on it Tonight show. People came over on staff because that was ending and. And stuff, and there were just, you know, that's the burden you feel, too, when you lead a team. Like that is like, not only is your dream dying, but like, all these people are now out of work.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. And so I. I worried and I put a bunch of weight on, and I just worried, like, would I ever work again or did I ever. Did I want to. Did I want to ever have something like that again that I could lose again? It's almost like when you. When someone breaks your heart.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do I want to get in a relationship again? And I took a long time, and it wasn't until Hollywood Today Live, you remember there was the show that I did that you were. Yeah, it wasn't until that that I thought, oh, I. I can still do this. Yeah. But it was. It was a real. I should have gone to therapy. I didn't, but I should have.

[A]

Yes. Yeah. And I remember, like, yeah, that is really hard. And then we had fun on that Hollywood Today Live. And Garcelle was on it.

[B]

Yeah, it was me and Garcelle Bevet and Ali Landry, Tanner Thomason, Amanda Salas, who's on Good day la. Kristin Brockman. Yeah, it was a great show. Anyway, I love doing that. And then, you know, and then that. I did that for a couple years, and then, you know. But the thing is, Heather, you know, you kind of have to count on, like, bank on yourself that you'll figure it out.

[A]

So now getting to your latest venture with the 90 day single life reunion.

[B]

The tell all.

[A]

The Tell all and so tell us. So these people that are the favorites over the seasons that are no longer with their love, they go explore single life.

[B]

Yeah. So what happens is, you know, we watch a lot of people on 90 Day Fiance, whether it's the. The OG show or the other way, we see people fall in love and try to make a relationship work. Now what happens is we really care for these people. Like, you get. I get invested in them now. The relationship doesn't always or usually work out in the long run. Okay. But some of the people who become fan favorites that we really root for, they get put on if they choose to they get put on the single life where we can see them afterwards. What happens when they're back out there dating. And so there are major fan favorites on. There's Pedro, there's Sophie, there's Colt.

[A]

Colt is my favorite.

[B]

Colt is.

[A]

Oh my. What happened to his ex?

[B]

Well, there were a few. There's been a bunch.

[A]

He the brunette girl that got a lot of plastic surgery.

[B]

You're going to have to be more specific. Okay. So. So anyway, he. When we find him, we had just seen him in Hunt for Love, which is this other spin off. He and Courtney have this connection. So when we see them at the beginning of the season, he and Courtney are dating. Now Courtney is another fan favorite and they're an odd match and he had a major injury. He's been living in her house and taking care of him. They can't have sex and then it turns out he's been cheating on her. This is what played out over the season with this woman from Brazil named Diana on text. So they sort of break up and he. She kicks him out of. She's living with her parents in a retirement center. Kicks him out and then he has to get surgery. And so in a fast forward a couple months you see him living.

[A]

Wait, hold on. She lives with her parents and had Colt living with them in a retirement community? Is that even allowed? Heather.

[B]

What am I on the hoa? I don't know. Speak to your local representative. I can't be bothered with that. So, okay. He's living with her and her parents in a retirement home.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

He's been. Wait, there's more. He. This is what. This is what played out during the season. She kicks him out because you're cheating on me. Like you don't have like anyway, you

[A]

don't have to pot to piss it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He goes and lives with the girl that he was cheating on her with in Brazil for a bit but then he has to come back to the states to get a surgery. So we fast forward a couple months. We see him in a house and he walks out and like greets his roommate who is this 66 year old man named Phil. Now it turns out that Phil is Courtney's new boyfriend. He lives in the same retirement center as her parents. Okay. And Phil and Colt is now living with them. We just saw recently that. Well, I don't know if that I can ruin anything but they are all going to be on the tell all. Okay. So I just have to tell you. It's so good. There's it's so juicy. There's so much to talk about and that's just one storyline. Colt has all these other connections with all the other people that are going to be there. I really did my research. I really took this seriously, Heather, because, you know, I love this show and I wanted to do a good job for the fans. I wanted to give them a tell all that delivered, you know, accountability and answers and drama and twists and turns and surprises. And I have to tell you, as a fan, I got everything I wanted, including a walk off. You know what I mean?

[A]

I love it.

[B]

I mean, you have to have a walk off. So I got so upset and the reason they got so upset is something that I didn't even know was coming. It's a real shocker.

[A]

Oh, good. Well, I mean, I can, I can see it now. You did you have a hard time deciding what snazzy suit to wear?

[B]

There were lots of opinions. There were lots of fittings. I knew what I was gonna wear. I knew it. And it just took a second for everyone to arrive there. But I would have worn. I didn't care what I wore. I truly. Heather, if they said wear Mrs. Roper's moo moo, I would have been like, great, let's go. I just put me in there. I really didn't care. But I loved this final suit. It's a Brooks Brothers rich, almost cobalt blue with a blue and white stripe tie. It's the perfect thing to wear. And the and I really hope you watch this tell all because I think, oh, I'm definitely.

[A]

I'm watching it.

[B]

I did a really good job. I really had a lot of fun with it. It airs May 18 and May 25 on TLC and it's like, I don't know, you feel free to watch every episode leading up if you want to or. But I also recap a ton. So if you haven't watched every episode, you can still watch the tell all and get everything.

[A]

The living at the retirement community is so fascinating to me because I remember years ago you said you identified as an active senior.

[B]

Active senior citizen to this day. I have a book treatment that I want to turn in called Active Senior Citizen a how to guide. I think it is a great idea because I have lived my life that way. I wear a sensible slip on shoe. I don't have time for laces. Plus it's dangerous and hip injury is the for anyway. So I do that. I love a happy hour. I love a sensible bedtime.

[A]

What time do you like to eat dinner?

[B]

Oh, it's 5:45 would be kind of the latest. We've been to the restaurant. I've been, you know those, those commercials like open, open, open for Mervyn's or Marshalls or something. Yeah, that's me at the restaurant at 4:45 when I know they could serve me a martini, I'm there. You may not be open, but it's. The bottle's right there.

[A]

I love an early dinner. I love pre sunset golden hour.

[B]

We've had dinner at five. I know we have, Mitches.

[A]

Oh, I always, always love the dinners at five. Now I am sad that you're no longer a resident in the Palm Springs area, but I get why it doesn't make sense. You have a beautiful home on the

[B]

east coast and the dream home on the east Coast. I have to say, I love my house here. I never want to leave it. We have an apartment in the city. I don't even go to the city just for work. But, you know, I love, I love where I live now, but I want to.

[A]

So do you spend the night at the city apartment during the the week with Drew?

[B]

I'm supposed to, yes.

[A]

What do you mean you're supposed to?

[B]

I'm supposed to. That was the intention when purchased, but I don't.

[A]

And so how long does it take you to get from the Drew studio to the regular house?

[B]

51 minutes.

[A]

Oh, that sounds good.

[B]

So I just do that. Exactly. And so we're selling the apartment is the point. I love the house, but when I had the house, you know, I was in Palm Springs forever, ever. And I kept it for three years when I moved here. And then I had been back maybe twice because I just couldn't. And I was like, this is such a waste of money. I, I can't. So luckily it appreciated. And I, I, I earned that money back that I had wasted, you know, not living in it, whatever. But I, I, I haven't been back to Palm Springs since I drove away after we sold the house because it is my home. And it would just hurt my feelings. It would just hurt me too much to be there and not live there.

[A]

What? That's so stupid.

[B]

I know. It's.

[A]

This is what you guys need to do. You need to come and stay at one of your favorite hotels.

[B]

Okay. And I don't know, I feel like it's running into an ex that I know I'm gonna end up with. You know what I mean? That's how I feel about Palm Springs. Like, it hurts too bad to see them right now.

[A]

You're afraid like one screw will will be too much and you won't be able to give it up and you'll be cheating on New York.

[B]

What I. What I know about Palm Springs is that we're meant to be and we're just in different places right now. You know what I mean? And I'm afraid if I see Palm Springs, I won't be able to resist Palm Springs.

[A]

You know, I just had dinner with Martin Ballard, the best. And went to his house, the house. And he had a party for Modernism Week.

[B]

I saw the pictures and everybody dressed

[A]

up like from that era.

[B]

I know, I know. And none of that shit is happening where I live now. You know where I live now. You know who I. Oh, my God, Heather. I live like minutes from Martha Stewart, and I see her all the time. And we do dinners I've been to. I had New Year's Eve dinner with Martha Stewart.

[A]

What did she serve? Did she cook?

[B]

Oh, no. We went to a restaurant there. Just five of us around a little table. It was. It was. It's wild. It's. It's wild and magical and she's. The only reason I'm like, hesitating now is because I'm looking up at the. You can see me right now. I'm looking up and thinking to myself, like, should I shut up? Because I don't want her to find out that I talked about this and have it end. You know, I'm like, should I just shut up right now?

[A]

I think just saying you had dinner at a restaurant where witnesses were. It's. You're acting like you slept with her or something.

[B]

Oh, I'm not. Oh, my God. She's another one. Is she another woman that I have womanized now as a gay womanizer?

[A]

I mean, it's because. It's just. You just have a. You just have a gift and it's okay. And, you know, you're. It's. It is what it is. You're loyal to one man. You're not loyal to any woman. And it's what you are. It's a version of being polyamorous in a gay land. It's very complicated. You know what?

[B]

How much sense you make. It's like.

[A]

It's really weird from Martha Stewart to me. I mean, it's amazing. Wait, I. Okay, now I think we need to plan for. I want to be your house guest up here.

[B]

You. Heather?

[A]

Yeah, for like an.

[B]

Stay with us.

[A]

For real?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, come to New York and, like, what? Give me a day in the life if I Come and we have like a Saturday like fabulous. I'm an early riser too. Early riser.

[B]

So our house is so it's like super private. It just trees all around. We're up like on a hill. We have a phenomenal pool like in the rocks where like there's a stream that goes down into the. From like into the hot tub and into the pool. Like beautiful. Do you heat your pool of what am I? What? A Neanderthal. My God. Heather, are you okay?

[A]

Then I'll be in all day if it's warm.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, it's. Trust me, it's warm. So, so we would, we would do that. We'd probably wake up. I would make you a frittata. Okay. We're not doing crust. It's not a quiche. Okay. It's a frittata.

[A]

Love a frittata.

[B]

Okay. Then we would probably do a dip. We just have to like pre shower. Let's just get in like it's nice out. Let's just get in the pool really quickly. And then while we're floating I would like be like, what do you want to do today?

[A]

Okay. God, I feel like we then get cute.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then we do lunch off campus.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Or we don't even need lunch. We just could do like a snacky Poo and walk around whatever the cute area is that has some shops. Does that exist?

[B]

We would do lunch. I'm sorry, but I get low blood sugar. We would do lunch.

[A]

Okay, good.

[B]

But we would have a cocktail at lunch and I would, I would tell you, you know where I'm going to bring you, Heather, I'm going to bring you to my favorite antique mall.

[A]

Done.

[B]

Okay. Where Lara Spencer has a booth. Okay.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

Yes. And we will. And we'll buy a little something for you. We'll get you just a little something like something not big that you can bring home but like something like. So whenever you look at you can be like, oh my God. This is from when I visited Ross and Welly in New York.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So let's get you something. And then I would go like now let's go back to the pool.

[A]

Great.

[B]

And I would tell you in the pool I'd be like, what are you in the mood for? Do you want to like invite a couple people over and barbecue or do you want to go somewhere fabulous?

[A]

No, I at that point I want to have fun dinner party, exciting people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Start boozing in the pool late afternoon. Keep the party rolling. End the party by 8:45.

[B]

Great. So I Would pick up the red gay phone that calls all the gays. And I would be like, Heather McDonald's here. I need you to come over. I have friends who, like, work in the restaurant industry who bring, like, some steaks maybe on our. Eating red meat right now. But they.

[A]

Down, down.

[B]

We would go to the bakery that Blake Lively goes to, and we would pick up something great. Great. Something. Something fun.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

And we would. Then we would barbecue, and I'd bring. You would have the music out, you know, maybe some edibles. If they were there and people wanted to, they could partake.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then we probably would, like, take a nap at some point for, like, just, like 45 minutes. Like, just. And you can be on your phone if you want, but, like, nap and then, like, let's go out a little alone time. Okay. Yeah, if you need it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then we'd probably watch something great after everyone went home on the TV and, like, kind of fall asleep a little bit. And then I'll see you in the morning.

[A]

You know what I'd like to do also is watch and just like that back.

[B]

Would you like to watch my episode, the scene I was in?

[A]

Oh, that's right. What scene were you in?

[B]

Season five episode or season three episode? No, I was in the scene where the one with episode when Aiden came back. So season two, episode four, I think it is.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

When Mario Cantone comes on the Drew show.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then I play myself in the hallway and, you know, did I ever tell you the story of how that happened?

[A]

No. Tell me.

[B]

Okay. So this true story. I heard that they were going to come and shoot with Drew at the show, and I was like, what day? And it was like a Friday, and I'm not there on Fridays. But I went in and I emailed Michael Patrick King and I said, I actually had my. My realtor, Arlene Cohen, Keller Williams, is friends with Michael Patrick King. So I said, can you let him know? And she said, oh, email him. So I did and said, hey, I'm just going to be there. Like, come say hi. And he came in and he was like, ross. And I'm like, yeah. And he goes, I'm going to write you a scene. Okay. And I was like, you don't have to do that. He was like, I know why you're here. And he did. And I got to be in it. But it's because I showed up and I was like, hello. Hi. Remember me? Hi.

[A]

I sometimes wake up in the middle of night and curse myself because I covered and just like that in a hate watching vein.

[B]

It's your, it's your responsibility that it's gone.

[A]

It is. I think that Michael Patrick King, Sarah Jessica Parker, they were just like, screw these assholes. We're not going to do it anymore. And I wish they didn't listen to me because it was getting better. And I love. I loved every second of it. I loved if it was bad. I loved if it was boring. I loved if it was weird. I loved if it didn't make sense. I mean, every Thursday we'd watch it. I made my son, my straight son Drake watch it and my other son Brandon. We all loved it. We loved Che Diaz getting a sitcom, but we. It was so weird and bizarre. Yeah, it's my fault. And I will never forgive myself if, if I would have known that ripping on it in a hate watching way and having other people do the same would have ever contributed to them quitting, I wouldn't have done it.

[B]

I want to be a friend to you in times like this, but I'm also not gonna lie to you.

[A]

What?

[B]

Not. It's not, not your fault. I do think that. And I. And you're not. It's not you alone.

[A]

No, it's not me alone. But I. I feel that. I feel like I was like a top 10 person that. Oh, for sure did it. Yeah.

[B]

I would just like to. I wish I could go back in a time machine because I didn't know it was going to come to an end either. Yeah, I wish I could go in a time machine and say, hey, guys, it's like pizza. Like, even bad pizza is good. Is good. Okay. And we didn't even know what we had when we had it. And I'd like to go roll the tape. I never once publicly said anything bad about it. Publicly. Okay. And maybe, maybe the history books will call me a hero and let them.

[A]

I mean, the day the news broke that this is it, you knew you did it.

[B]

You knew it was your fault right away. Right?

[A]

I just was like, you know, I felt like that saying like, and this is why we can't have nice things. Like, I felt like the person that, like broke the vase in the living room for like playing around it too closely.

[B]

So do you want to make like a. A public statement now?

[A]

My public statement is I loved and just like that, maybe more than Sex and the City. I loved the changes. I loved the weirdness. I loved the goofiness. Every. Every episode surprised me. My predictions about where the show was go. Was wrong. Okay. I didn't I mean, I predicted some things when I thought there was gonna be a Sex in the City three, but instead it was a series like that Miranda would be gay or have a gay relationship, but not everything. And then I kept wanting to, you know, rewrite it and be part of it, and then never did I think that it would be ripped from under me. I thought for sure I'd get two more seasons out of it.

[B]

Well, we should have. We should have.

[A]

We should have.

[B]

We should have gotten two more seasons out of it. I'm glad you finally said something. I feel like it was causing a rift between us.

[A]

It's. It's awful. All right. That's why I'm saying, like, when this. That's why. When we have our sleepover.

[B]

So we just watch it.

[A]

I want to watch it. I want to watch it. I want to watch the Che Diaz episodes when she was doing the standup concert and all of that. And what. Do you remember the episode where she had to do the cameos?

[B]

No, I honestly.

[A]

Oh, my God. Miranda spends the night. Spends the night. And she wakes up to her, like, under the bed being like, hey, it's Che Diaz. I know it's your birthday tonight. And she's like. And we were just dying. Like, this stuff that they would do was so funny and perfect.

[B]

Oh, shit. It was. It was funny and perfect and hilarious. And you said something earlier and you were right. It was getting better.

[A]

It was right.

[B]

And then that guy, the neck downstairs neighbor, that was interesting. The writer, like, they. The. The. Right. There was just places for it to go.

[A]

Yeah, I know. You know, but that's what happens. You can't expect something to come back. With some people that are that rich, that successful, they don't need the show. There is a risk that they will open their phone, read the hate, and quit.

[B]

Yeah. Yes.

[A]

And.

[B]

Well, we learned that lesson, didn't we, Heather?

[A]

Yeah, we did.

[B]

So what happens? What if it comes back again? 10 years and it comes back? Are we just going to be grateful? For what?

[A]

Oh, my God. I will. I will be. I will only praise it. I will go to anything. The premiere, I will treat it differently. If I want to rip on it, I'll call my sister or you. I won't publicly do anything because I need it to stay.

[B]

Can I say something slightly connected, but different? I just went to the movie theater yesterday. Yesterday and saw Deborah Wears Prada, too.

[A]

How was that? I haven't seen it.

[B]

So in the same vein of, like, a beloved thing. Like, Okay, I. And maybe it's because of what happened with Sex and the City. I was prepared to just be grateful. Just grateful. I loved it so much.

[A]

Oh, good.

[B]

I thought it was sensational. A perfect movie, like good on its own. And a great, great, great, great addition to that. Except for one thing. There's a scene where they cut the. And I'm not gonna ruin anything, everyone. But they cut the budget at the magazine and Miranda has to fly to Italy for a fashion thing. And they show her walking through first business and sitting in coach. And I'm telling you right now, even if they cut the budget, she would have paid for her own first class ticket. Hello. Right. That was the one thing that took me out of it. But out of that. So I give it a. I get an A, not an A plus because of that. It was so sensational. I thought.

[A]

So one snafu, but the rest. Okay, I totally agree with that. I don't like. And I get hung up on things like that, which is what I got me critical. I'm definitely gonna go see that. Did you see the Michael Jackson movie?

[B]

No, no, they cut my part.

[A]

You were in it.

[B]

No, I'm kidding. I can't imagine. No, I was Liberace. No, it was. I haven't seen it. I don't know. I don't know. It seems a little. I'm speaking about some. I'll tell you why I have no interest in seeing it now. I may see it and love it because I have no principles. Okay, so let me just put that out there that I may change my mind here. It just seems a little controlled by the family for me. So it kind of seems like not real life version of a biopic about the real human being. It seems like a sanitized cure.

[A]

Well, I guess there's no mention of anything. Of any accusations of him with the young children, which I can understand not to do that, but I thought you could do it and you could have made it part of his life. But you also could have just shown the perspective of what he said the whole time, that he was innocent and that it was these parents that were doing this. And there was a connection, whatever. But I think they just wanted to be about the music and the fun and all that. Because the goal of the family is that the music always remains popular. And therefore the musicals and things like that can continue. Did you know that they never mentioned Janet Jackson at all in the movie?

[B]

Yeah, apparently she declined to sign off or to sign off on it, apparently.

[A]

So she would have had to have someone. Because I feel like that's interesting, because I think if you're a public figure, you know, if someone was going to do the movie of Chelsea lately, which they will in a few years.

[B]

Yeah, I was gonna say, when they

[A]

do and some young guy plays Ross Matthews, sure, you're not going to have to sign off on that. You're going to wake up one day and see that they cast someone that is either better looking than you ever were or not as cute as you.

[B]

They would go, so not cute. Right. You know, it'd be like, he has no pizzazz. You know what I mean? Like, they would just get some Pillsbury doughboy with no personality to play me. I would need to sign off. I would need to see. I would hold auditions.

[A]

But that's only if you can do that. That's only if you can be allowed to do that. You'd have to be part of it. I'm just saying they don't have to tell you when. When there's movies done about, you know, things that happen in history or movies or crimes or whatever. They don't have to. But I guess something with this, because

[B]

the family, they were like. She was like, now I'm doing fan fiction. But she was probably like, I don't even want my name in it or

[A]

something, you know, because when they did the Jackson 5, like, when they did that movie where Angela Bassett played the mother and it was like a made for TV miniseries. Yeah, miniseries. You know, and it was about when all the kids were little and stuff. They had every kid represented. Yeah, yeah, they did. And it was not good. It was about the dad being abusive. A cheater.

[B]

Yeah. When they make the Chelsea Lately movie, who do you want to play you? I need two options.

[A]

Oh, my God. Honestly, like, she doesn't look like me, but Megan Stalter from Hacks.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

She's so funny that.

[B]

She is so funny.

[A]

And she's like, you know, in five years would be like the right age of me back then or so. I'm just thinking of someone who's funny. I mean, I'd also go with like a no name that. That just. It would just have to. It doesn't have to be the look so much as the personality. Someone that could play it off well.

[B]

Yeah, but she's got to be like. And this is a compliment, she's got to be ambitious, too. You know what I mean? She's got to be like, smart and not just. Not just funny. She's got to like, be like, you know, like a boss a little bit.

[A]

Right. I mean, it could be. God, you know what? We could probably just sadly have AI do the whole thing for us right now.

[B]

Oh, my God. Give me five minutes and I'll make the movie. I pay because I pay for premium. Give me one second.

[A]

Give me one second. Younger Heather McDonald. Younger Ross. Matthew put him on a panel with Chelsea. No, it's. I saw Chelsea last night at the. At the after party for Kevin Hart.

[B]

How was it?

[A]

It was fun. She was great. I've just seen her a few times. She looks so good in the last couple years. Yeah, her outfit was really good and she did a great job. So, you know, it was. We had a few minutes, a hug and like a. How's everything going? I told her, you know, I thought it was good. I said, did you get mad? Were you would. Anything upsetting that they were saying to you, or were you just able to play that off perfectly because it's just so harsh on everyone's. And she was like, no, I don't fucking care. I'm drunk and having fun. Like, she was just great. Yeah, so it was all. It was all good. But I think, yeah, I thought it was really good. Yeah, so that would be.

[B]

I like that you guys are good.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I saw her a couple years ago at a restaurant when I was celebrating my birthday and so that. We were good then. And it's like. Yeah, it was. It was great. I know you guys had like a fun dinner.

[B]

Yeah, we've. We've actually seen each other more since I lived in New York than when I lived in la.

[A]

Oh, good. So when she makes a stop there, she reaches out.

[B]

She's good at that, you know, reaching out. Like, I'm gonna be here, I'm gonna be in town and do this, and. And I really. Yeah, I'm really grateful to have that kind of relationship, but I have. Don't you feel like I have that with everybody that was on the roundtable?

[A]

Yeah, there were a few writers that wrote with her that I worked with at Chelsea that were at the party too.

[B]

Oh, good.

[A]

And lovely to see them. And, you know, I mean, the show's been off for almost 12 years.

[B]

That's wild. Wild.

[A]

It's really wild when, like, you know, like, I did my live show for the Netflix as a joke live, Juicy Scoop on Saturday night, and it was at the Avalon Theater and these two young girls were setting up the stage and everything, and I. And I just was, like, talking to them, you know, and then the girl's like, no, I know who you are. I read your book. She's like, it was like a stage person, stagehand. And I'm like. She's like, yeah, I used to watch it when I was younger and I read your book and I was like, really? Like, I just. Sometimes you just sort of forget and then you realize, like, how long ago that was. And so. But it's really fun. And that's why it was fun that, you know that Chelsea and Kevin Hart have remained friends that whole time and as she has with you. And so it was great. It was really. It was a fun. I'm glad I went to the party.

[B]

I'm glad you went too, you know, and I am glad that we're all still so close. I just talked to Josh Wolf on the phone two days ago and yeah,

[A]

when I was in Vegas, I was like, any chance you guys can get dinner? But he was out of town. So when he comes to la, he does juicy scoop and I love that his son works with him on the road. And yeah, it's like, it's so, it's so good.

[B]

I'm really proud of us. We're growing up, Heather. We are growing up. You know, isn't that weird? I'm like, what? What is happening? But I also am like, just so really grateful to, like, you know, it's like I told you about my mom. I want to stick around for as long as possible. I feel like I'm holding up my end of the bargain or at least

[A]

trying to, you know, and I'm so excited. So tell everybody when they can watch your debut as the reunion host.

[B]

Tell all of the.

[A]

Tell all of 90 Day Single Life.

[B]

It's May 18th and May 25th, so this coming Monday. And that's a two parter. It was a two parter. And I really, you know, I don't make it about myself. I really make it about them. I try to do it with heart but firm. You know how I am. And as a lover and I really, I really think the fans are going to be excited about this because I took it seriously and I had so much fun doing it. So there are a lot of 90 Day Fiance viewers out there. Hello, I'm Ross. I'm one of you. And this is really sort of a culmination of a dream come true. You know, I get infatuated with things and then I like to, like I say, crawl into the TV and get into the thing that I'm really obsessed with. This is my favorite example of doing that. So I hope everybody loves it.

[A]

Well, thank you so much. This was so much fun. We covered a lot. And I loved the catch up. And I will be in touch about planning our weekend.

[B]

For real. I love you for real. You know I do. I love you for real. Okay.

[A]

Love it. Love you. Thanks.

[B]

Thank you. Bye, everybody. Bye.