Heather McDonald (2:21)

Have you not directed yet?

Guy Branum (2:22)

No.

Heather McDonald (2:22)

Model, actor, now social influencer.

Guy Branum (2:26)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (2:27)

Maybe a winner of a ring. Have you heard about the rings?

Guy Branum (2:29)

No, what are the rings?

Heather McDonald (2:30)

There's a new thing that I saw. They're gonna be an award show for content creators.

Guy Branum (2:37)

Oh, wonderful.

Heather McDonald (2:37)

So you might win a ring. I'm very excited because you're finally spending the time and doing really funny things. Roasting food at county fairs. Yes, very funny. That's probably my favorite video you've done lately. Guy Branham multi. Multi award winning writer. Which you brought them all the last time.

Guy Branum (3:00)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (3:00)

And just how are you?

Guy Branum (3:02)

I'm great. It's always good to see you. But more than that, a lot of stuff has been going on that I've wanted to talk to you about, but not the least of which is I, over the course of the last three months, consumed all of Vanderpump and. And my eyes are open now.

Heather McDonald (3:17)

So you started from the very beginning.

Guy Branum (3:18)

I started from the very beginning because I wanted to understand. And also, like, I had seen that Backdoor pilot years ago when they did the episode that was Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, and then it turned into half an episode.

Heather McDonald (3:29)

They follow. Yeah, they followed Sheena to the other room.

Guy Branum (3:33)

Right. And, like, Jacks was a very compelling Persona, the kind of person that we all see in Los Angeles. And I did want to, like, chart this full journey so that I could really understand Skandival. And now that I have taken it all down, like.

Heather McDonald (3:49)

So you finished all of it? You're caught up to the end?

Guy Branum (3:53)

I'm caught up to the end. And I really feel like they squeezed all the juice out of that. Like, there are a couple of people on there who I still like. I think Sheena is a great reality show performer. I think I do deeply love Lala, and I think that they have more reality show in them, but most of those people, it's like, we got everything we're gonna get out of both Toms. We got everything we're gonna get out of Ariana. And, like, I really felt like it was a complete story.

Heather McDonald (4:24)

Very. I love. First of all, you know, so many times people are like in the comments when someone writes on Juicy Scoop Obsessed or whatever. My Patreon going, all right, guys, you know, I've never watched this or what season of Housewife should I start on? Or what? And the comments are always like, I'm so jealous. I'm so jealous that you're starting from the beginning. And so it's kind of fun to hear someone like you who, you know, can appreciate what that show was. And I agree. It is like no other, because it involved what the rest of the world wondered what it was like to be a young aspiring actor model doing the waiter thing in LA in the. And they were all real, and they all had relationships and they all worked at this place. And I don't think there's been a more organic origin story to a reality show than what Vanderpump was. Besides the Osbournes and the Kardashians, who Were truly a family, like even more so than any Real Housewives. Because even in the beginning of Real Housewives, there was a bit of casting and people meeting for the first time when the cameras came out. This was from. And that's what made it so fascinating as a reality show Bravo fan. And it is to me kind of like an end of an era because I'm doing BravoCon and like two years ago it was still in the height of like the whole scandival and they were all there and now it's like Tom Sandoval is, you know, not really gonna be part of the Valley that we know.

Guy Branum (6:07)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (6:08)

And Lala is gonna be part of the Valley. But I don't know if you're aware, but Sheena is not.

Guy Branum (6:14)

Oh really?

Heather McDonald (6:15)

And I want.

Guy Branum (6:15)

I have to imagine Sheena wants to.

Heather McDonald (6:17)

Well, that's what's so juicy about it. Okay, okay. So Sheena, there's a lot to Sheena that I relate to.

Guy Branum (6:25)

Uh huh.

Heather McDonald (6:26)

They call her the pick me girl. And people would say that about me when I was on the panel and just you know, just sort of like happy. And people would say, oh, you make it about yourself and all this other stuff. But very entertaining. And truly the reason Vanderpump had a reason to go was because of her connection with having this affair prior before we see it. But in the past she had had affair with Eddie Cibrian who was Brandy Glanville's husband. And so, you know, it launched there. So it's crazy that now third season of Valley, which we all thought. So I to just fill you in. She wrote a book that is a New York Times bestseller. And one of the main bomb drop that nobody knew till the book was like out and on the shelves is that her husband, now husband, Brock, before they were married, they got pregnant with their daughter Summer Moon. And while she was pregnant, Brock had an affair. And Brock let her know, ironically, during the actual unfolding of Skandoval that two years prior he had an affair because he was seeing Reddits and things and he thought it would come out. Yeah, she took it in, kept it to herself, like didn't tell anybody.

Guy Branum (7:52)

Oh, so they're saying it was unfair of her to not be revealing this information while Skandoval was coming out.

Heather McDonald (7:58)

Some people think that some people appreciate that in the book she explained. Now she explains what was going on during her life. But me personally, I was like, first of all, brilliant to save the nugget for your book because you're given everything on reality shows. You have Your own podcast, you've done a million interviews. You gotta save some stuff for your book. However, I was like, okay, what was the logic behind sharing it? One is you just wanna be authentic. Okay, that's noble, but let's make some lemonade out of it, right? So I'm thinking, okay, you're gonna come on the Valley. We're gonna have discussions with you and Brock that, you know, that you've gotten past it or that.

Guy Branum (8:42)

Was she being gatekeepy about it? Was she saying, I'm not gonna talk about this?

Heather McDonald (8:45)

No, I don't think so.

Guy Branum (8:46)

Oh, okay.

Heather McDonald (8:47)

I don't know. So anyway, so that's what I thought would happen.

Guy Branum (8:50)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (8:50)

Then there was rumblings where she and Lala weren't getting along, which I kind of went through on the last episode. And so I was like, well, then that'll be really great to kind of see them manage, you know, because so much of these friendships in Housewives and stuff, some of it has. A lot of. It has to do with the actual filming of the show or a brand deal that you were both up for. Or we did a commercial and she was acting like a diva. And, like, it's not just what we're seeing about, oh, you didn't bring the carrot cake. It's like, you know, and now they kind of break the fourth wall. And we can see that they all have.

Guy Branum (9:22)

I love when you have a flash to a reunion episode during an actual.

Heather McDonald (9:25)

Episode, and then they call it New York. They're like, what happened in New York?

Guy Branum (9:29)

What happened in New York?

Heather McDonald (9:30)

Cause they can't. They don't say the reunion. Okay, fine. So then I see she's not doing the Valley, and rumors are, oh, it's because she exposed too much about how they make reality TV in her book. And Bravo's pissed. So she has Alex Bastin come on her show, and he's the producer of all that stuff, and he's like, no, that's not the case. We did give you a compelling offer. I thought it was a compelling offer. And she's like. And I chose no because she saw a comment that really stuck with her where someone said, I feel like Sheena is the girl who graduated from high school and keeps coming back to the high school parties. But I wish. But that's what, like, I wish she would have.

Guy Branum (10:16)

The Valley is community college. The Valley is community college for reality tv. It's. Its point is that it's, you know, it's that you've moved along, but, like, you haven't moved away I. I totally.

Heather McDonald (10:28)

Get her point and her desire to do other things. And, you know, she's. Maybe it was in. In viewing the offer, which maybe the money wasn't that great. Yeah, maybe it was. Okay. I don't want. I do want to make this marriage work, and I don't think rehashing it, which I'm going to have to do, is gonna be good for my family. I don't know. But she turned it down. She turned it down. And. Yeah, and I feel the same way. Like, I was like, well, but what's smart about Sheena is that she didn't, you know, go off with guns a blazing and flipping them off and threatening to sue or something. She's just like, hey, never say never. Thanks for coming on my show. And I think Alex Baskin is also smart enough to know that, yeah, maybe next season you'll want to come on and it'll even be juicier, whatever your life is. That's the thing. I mean, it's. I do really think it's hard when your main. Your business is just being you and what goes on in your life. And then they're like, you need to share this. And if you don't share it, they get mad. And if you share it, then you could really fuck up the trajectory of your marriage or your kids.

Guy Branum (11:35)

Well, it's something that I think you have encountered as somebody who loves this stuff and pays a lot of attention to it. But also, you have an amazing artistic career, and like, some of these people, the only skill that they have is stirring the shit, you know, and, like, it can be rough when the only thing you. When your most marketable skill is starting a fight. I have a question for you. I have so much respect for the women who managed. I think it was only. Well, no, I mean, like, for everyone who managed to fuck their way onto that show inside of, like, a permanent basis, including Brock.

Heather McDonald (12:13)

But you mean, oh, find a relationship of someone who's cast and then you become a cast member.

Guy Branum (12:18)

Brittany and Raquel. And, like, the fundamental question for me has to be, was it chicken? Like, was it chicken shit of Raquel to get herself into that situation and then be like, I can't deal with it, or, like, part of me is sympathetic to it. Must have felt like the world hated you when Scandalval came out.

Heather McDonald (12:41)

I mean, it did. She had, like, major mental health issues. Like, she went to, like, a place.

Guy Branum (12:47)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (12:48)

And now she is. Got a great boyfriend. She was doing a podcast, which she stopped, where she'd recap the show Well, I also, I think mentally, like, yeah, just like anything in this world of social media, it's like, yeah, stop following someone. Mute them. Like, you don't need to see all the fun they're having without you. You don't need to see them filming without they always make such a big deal. Like, oh, my God, Garcelle from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills stopped following all the cast members. That's what you should do. Like, you shouldn't be seeing them all doing stuff because you know that when you look at it, it gives you, like, an emotional reaction because it's painful and like. And maybe you want people to know that you've moved on and you're not following them.

Guy Branum (13:33)

I feel like the Garcelles and the Heather Dubrows and, And like, maybe not Lisa, but like, definitely Eileen Davidson took it as a job, did it as a job to help their career, and then when they were done, went off and treated it like it was a job, a stint.

Heather McDonald (13:54)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very, very interesting too. Yeah. And I think they probably, you know, it's fun to have a star, but they probably are like, yeah, no, we want a lifer. Like, we want a lifer. We want someone who's going to get tenure, who's going to, you know, have no way getting out. They're going to have to be trapped because they're going to get addicted to the fame. Terry Dubrow was recently being interviewed. Heather Dubrow's husband, who's a plastic surgeon from OC and he said, all the women hate this is what he said. I thought it was pretty. He goes, all the women hate doing the show, but they are addicted to now being famous. And he said, I like being famous too. Being a reality star is different than being Tom Cruise. I can go to restaurants. I'm just famous enough where it's fun. And it's not like I have to. Can't have a day on my own. It's never like that because a lot of people don't watch the shows and don't know who you are. But, yeah, the fact that now it's become this thing where you have to fight. And I mean, I'm just like, the anxiety that I get sometimes when I'm like, I have an episode that comes out that maybe I said one thing that people were like, how dare you say that? Like, I even get like, oh. And then I'm like, wow, if this was with people that I really were friends with, and then all the pile on of all the people now and what it's become podcasting.

Guy Branum (15:18)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (15:18)

Instagram. People talking about it. It's a lot.

Guy Branum (15:21)

Well, there's been criticism, like, some people have criticized in Taylor Swift's new album, sort of some of the things that she says about the experience of being famous. And, like, I'm speaking thinking specifically of a lyric that is about, like, an eldest daughter. I think, like, how easy it is to criticize people and how everybody just put on Wolf's clothing and acts, like, looks fire. And basically, it's much easier to be aggressive and act like nothing impacts you than it is to be, like, honest and emotionally vulnerable in this time. And I do think it is something more universal than just something experienced by the biggest pop star in the world. But I also think there's something, like, interesting. I think there are some people in public discourse who have become very comfortable with being wrong and just, like, saying things and doing things that are wrong sometimes and accepting that that is the cost of doing business when there are cameras on you all the time. And I think the fear of that and trying just because it is hard when people criticize you, but also that is it's going to happen, and you just kind of have to, like, walk through it.

Heather McDonald (16:28)

And now it's like, we're used to the housewives, like, fighting and saying mean things and bringing up, you know, horrible things about their business stuff. And we're, like, used to it. And when it doesn't happen, we're like, oh, that was kind of boring, like, because now that's what we're used to.

Guy Branum (16:43)

No, absolutely. Like, I mean, I am a bad housewife viewer because I love Carol Radswell, who, like, you know, who was always a little bit above the fray and sometimes not doing the job that she needed to be doing of, like, keeping the shit stirred.

Heather McDonald (17:02)

Yeah.

Guy Branum (17:02)

But I just need to say my one big takeaway from 12 seasons of Vanderpump rules is that sandwich shop is really good.

Heather McDonald (17:12)

You ate at it?

Guy Branum (17:13)

Yes. Like, I. Katie.

Heather McDonald (17:15)

And I'm glad it's still happening. I have yet to get over there, but I don't live nearby.

Guy Branum (17:20)

That's the thing is that, like, I have gone just sort of, like, to celebrate the experience to many Vanderpump restaurants. And, you know, I got a fine steak and a beverage, but I was mostly there for vibes.

Heather McDonald (17:31)

You got a steak sandwich and energy.

Guy Branum (17:32)

No, I'm saying at, like.

Heather McDonald (17:34)

Oh, at the Vanderpump. So what did you get at the sandwich shop?

Guy Branum (17:38)

One time I got the Nancy, but converted to a California club, so it's like sourdough bread, turkey, avocado, bacon, which.

Heather McDonald (17:48)

Is like, you can't go wrong.

Guy Branum (17:50)

The sandwich I love most, and it's a very good execution of it. And then one time I got the Cameron, which is like Italian cold cuts on focaccia. And like, I was expecting it to be a mediocre restaurant that was surviving off of the fact that it was two people from Vanderpump and that they have a good, viable business. Especially after how on earth did Tom and Tom fuck up Schwartz and Sandy's? Like, I don't understand with all of that free advertising.

Heather McDonald (18:22)

I think because they spent. I think it was a few things. The location wasn't a place where kids would like bar hop, which is why, you know, in West Hollywood, where it was like, you could. If you're traveling and you wanted to have a little fun thing, you could go to the Pump, you could go to Vanderpump, you could go to tomtoms. Yeah, you could go. Then there's other bars right there to go to.

Guy Branum (18:43)

It kills me. So Roosterfish, a bar from Venice, took over the the pump location. And every time I see Lisa's olive trees and I'm like, she brought in those olive trees. It tears me apart.

Heather McDonald (18:56)

Okay. So I think that was part of it. I think they made it, like, a little too high end.

Guy Branum (19:01)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (19:02)

And they spent too much on the decor.

Guy Branum (19:05)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (19:05)

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Guy Branum (22:03)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (22:04)

And she, I just saw that she said on her show, Lala, I am reaching. I wanted to reach out maybe and make up with Katie. What would be your advice in this situation to the girls?

Guy Branum (22:19)

I don't know that I've ever seen someone successfully make up with Katie. Like she seems to be. I mean like did Stassi manage to do it once or twice. But like Katie can be very much in her own emotions and she can, you know, get dark and that's really rough for me where I think Lala is like for all of the ridiculousness of Lala, I think there is like a balance and a center and a sense of self and I really respect that she's taking on the task of getting back in a good place. With Katie, I just think it's hard work and I don't know if it would ultimately be worth it. Like I Think Katie is also a very grounded person. I think that she just. I would love to know her star sign. She's very. She holds a grudge, you know?

Heather McDonald (23:09)

Yeah. Yes. So. All right. So do you have any more questions? Are you gonna watch the Valley?

Guy Branum (23:15)

I mean, I am gonna watch the Valley just because, like.

Heather McDonald (23:19)

So now are you gonna start watching the Valley? Cause you have two full seasons to watch.

Guy Branum (23:22)

Well, I mean, realizing that, like, I'm gonna start out from a place of. Britney still likes Jax at end. The. At the beginning of that. Hilarious. I did find it amusing that she left that military show after a single day. I expected more from Britney.

Heather McDonald (23:37)

So I'd mentioned thinking that you would get how much money you get. It has been confirmed through multiple sources to me that you get that chunk of money whether you stay one day or all of them.

Guy Branum (23:51)

Oh, wow.

Heather McDonald (23:52)

Don't you think as ep. That's a stupid plan.

Guy Branum (23:56)

A very stupid plan.

Heather McDonald (23:57)

Like, I mean, I'm fine. I'm leaving the first day, too. Yeah, you better fucking believe it.

Guy Branum (24:02)

I mean, she probably just wanted.

Heather McDonald (24:03)

Teresa left day two.

Guy Branum (24:04)

Oh, really?

Heather McDonald (24:05)

And that was after I thought I praised her because she was going to clean the toilets. But I also don't blame her for leaving.

Guy Branum (24:10)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (24:10)

Like, I mean, it's physically, I don't care how much you've worked out. It's so hard. And as a woman, if you're not physically fit and you're doing, you know, a very physical job of what they want you to do, like, call up shit, up the stairs. Oh, God.

Guy Branum (24:25)

But also, this is their career. And, like, when people see you being to some extent a bad sport in that way, they're not gonna wanna let you, you know, come sing in a mask. But I, like, ultimately. Okay, the last question I wanna ask you is, how do you feel about Ariana's transformation? Just because one of the amazing things about Vanderpump is that it takes the premise that these people want to be actors or singers, and it sort of pulls it apart by saying, what if we just make you famous on your own terms? And a lot of people give that up. And there were so many people who had singing careers in season three that did not have them later on. But Ariana, like, once scandival happened and she had so much sympathy, Love island came through Chicago came through so many of these real opportunities that she had been training for. Let us never forget that Ariana takes sketch comedy very seriously, which I love. But I did have, like, I wondered about her leaving behind the transparency. Like, she was never the most transparent.

Heather McDonald (25:36)

No, she wasn't. And I think, you know, there's no formula to making it work.

Guy Branum (25:41)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (25:41)

Because she didn't share a lot. She wasn't a compelling character to watch on Vanderpump. Always pretty. Didn't have great one liner moments like a Stasi or anything.

Guy Branum (25:54)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (25:54)

And then this thing.

Guy Branum (25:55)

But had the true confidence of a very pretty girl.

Heather McDonald (25:58)

Right. And then when this shit went down, it was so amazing to see her act in the moment of like screaming at her ex like, I don't give.

Guy Branum (26:08)

A fuck about Raquel.

Heather McDonald (26:09)

Like she really just gained this, like this fan base and then got these opportunities and executed them. And yeah, it was the most amazing, horrible thing that turned into something great. And I mean, I remember right when it happened, she like shut down her Instagram and I was like to Lala, oh my God, she shouldn't do that. Like, you know, it's like every. There's no rules to it. So I would say what I do think is hard is like, you know, Lawless. I mean, Sheena said, I just had such a good time doing an episode of Lopez vs Lopez. Like, I kind of want to explore what other things I can do since I want to be an actress. However, we know that when you're Greg Brady for five years on the Brady Bunch, it was really hard for you to get other work without people always seeing you as Greg Brady or whatever. So yes, now that you are a like known name in the reality world, I do think it's gonna be hard to get other jobs as an actor or even a host. I do, I mean, like. But I hope it works out.

Guy Branum (27:17)

I think she's very well positioned to continue doing what she's doing with Love Island. But to me, the thing, not for.

Heather McDonald (27:22)

Her, I'm saying for other people that like I said, Heather Dubrow is taking growlings classes and she's like, I want to get into acting again. And I don't think that she got parts thrown to her throughout the years of doing the oc But I'm just saying it would be weird to see her. Like, I just feel like when a housewife's placed into something, it's kind of few and far between just because we know them as this other person. I think it's a gamble.

Guy Branum (27:45)

Heather Dubrow is the exception. Heather Dubrow is a fucking pro.

Heather McDonald (27:48)

Okay, I agree.

Guy Branum (27:49)

I have no doubts about that. But also, I just want to say the thing that Ariana gave that was like, to me the most interesting and transparent was that moment of then why Won't you have this conversation with. When the cameras aren't on and that real. Understand.

Heather McDonald (28:04)

With Tom Sandoval.

Guy Branum (28:05)

With Tom Sandoval. Of just sort of understanding. I have a relationship that may like, that may be fiction. And like, that was fiction and I didn't realize it.

Heather McDonald (28:15)

You know, I mean, it's all the Truman Show. I mean, it's like so the Truman Show. And then when you see that these kids are part of it, it's just, it's. That movie is exactly what we're living now. And it was only like 20 years ago.

Guy Branum (28:28)

Laura Lenny's so fucking in that movie. Who Laura Linney plays.

Heather McDonald (28:32)

Yes.

Guy Branum (28:32)

The mom.

Heather McDonald (28:33)

Yeah, yeah, it was. It's an amazing movie that I think she's like the.

Guy Branum (28:37)

Is she the wife? I think she's like his wife.

Heather McDonald (28:39)

Yeah.

Guy Branum (28:39)

Yes. Honestly.

Heather McDonald (28:40)

And I feel like too many people are like making their kid a Truman.

Guy Branum (28:43)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (28:44)

And they have never sat down to watch that movie and they probably should so do.

Guy Branum (28:48)

Okay. I am obsessed with this Orthodox Jewish tiktoker and her like five daughters. And like, some people are very critical of having the daughters on the TikTok channel. I think kids are hilarious and fun, but it is putting your kids out there. How do you feel about people using their kids on their socials and stuff?

Heather McDonald (29:10)

I think it's very, very hard. And I, I don't know. I. I mean, I remember when I first started my Instagram and, and. And all that when we were on Chelsea lately and I like, purposely never showed the kids.

Guy Branum (29:24)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (29:25)

And I would talk about them on stage and stuff, but, like, I wouldn't like, show their faces or anything. And then I was like, oh, I guess that would have been okay. Like when I saw like other people doing it and I'm like, oh, I wonder if I should have, like, exploited them more right then, you know, but so I get that now it's like everybody does it. But no, I've talked about it at length of, like, how dangerous it can be and now especially when you're make. When it's your income. Yes, when it's your income. And then you're like, I, you know, I had this one journalist on and there was a girl that had to do a brand deal about when she got her period. And, you know, and her mom did a whole video on making her a period, like, gift basket. And then she had to talk about the pad that she likes at like 13. And when these kids say, I don't want to do it, then the parent will say, okay, I guess we have to sell the house. And it's like 13. Yeah.

Guy Branum (30:26)

None of the protections that are there for a kid who's on a set.

Heather McDonald (30:29)

You know, I mean, it's just like when your kid is doing gymnastics or a sport, and then at like, 12, they're like, I don't want to do soccer anymore. And you're like, what? But you did soccer all the time. And they're like, yeah, I'm not into it anymore. The same thing happens with a child dancing around at 4 that's acting completely into it. And then at 11, they might be like, no, mom. Like, I don't want the camera in my face. And then their opinions and privacy are no longer respected because there's a paycheck that supports the whole family. So that's why I think it's dangerous. And same thing with the reality show. Like I have said in Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Mary's son has a drug addiction problem. And, you know, they had this heartwarming conversation, but the kid admits, yeah, I used today. I used today. And why? He's like, I had a lot of. She's like, why? He's like, I just had a lot of anxiety today. And I was like, you had a lot of anxiety cause your mom told you the camera people are coming at 4 o'.

Guy Branum (31:26)

Clock. Yeah.

Heather McDonald (31:27)

Don't put your kid on camera. Like, it's stressful. And then have people write about you and talk about you. And like, I don't think this is good for your rehab. I liked watching intervention, too, but a lot of those people didn't make it either. Like, I don't know that we should be watching these people when they're in a state where they really can't give consent, adult or not.

Guy Branum (31:48)

My friends who have kids who are like 12 to 15 are in a state of constant war. And the notion of having to do that while servicing brands or Bravo just seems terrifying. You know, it's a lot.

Heather McDonald (32:06)

Let's get into a couple more topics, and then we get back to the Housewives. Okay, this was juicy. Ben Affleck is a executive producer on Jennifer Lopez's new movie, Kiss of a Spider Woman. And so they saw each other on the red carpet, and it looked like he was telling her stuff, probably how great she was in the movie, and she was smiling and it seemed to appear to be fine. And then she, you know, was on there with her twins who are 17, the boy, girl twins. And she said, we're looking at colleges, and everyone says they look just like Marc Anthony. But the girl, if you zoom in, she has exactly J. Lo's eyes. Yeah, she has exactly J. Lo's eyes. Anyway, so what do you. And then she did remove that weird black thing for the dinner. But it's kind of good. Cause it's sort of spidery.

Guy Branum (33:00)

Right, Right. It's very, you know, figure eight, black widowy kind of thing. Like, we have lost a lot of true glamour. And I think their messy on again, off again is the closest thing we have to Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton that's going on today. I also think she. She's capable of good performances. Like, she gave us one truly great performance in out of Sight, and we've been waiting to see that again. And like, if she can kill it in Kiss the Spider Woman, supposedly this.

Heather McDonald (33:34)

Is going to be her thing. Like, this is getting a lot of buzz.

Guy Branum (33:38)

And also it's a musical, which means she will be nominated for a Golden Globe, which, like, sets her up nicely to maybe get an Oscar nomination. So having some buzz going on is a good thing. I mean, Ben Affleck is ridiculous, but also he directed Argo. You know, like, that back tattoo does not take away the fact that he is an Academy Award winner and a very capable filmmaker. And, like, I love them having this dance back and forth.

Heather McDonald (34:05)

And let's not forget, didn't he screw the nanny?

Guy Branum (34:10)

Oh, did he?

Heather McDonald (34:12)

Allegedly. I'm believing that he had some. Or there was rumors or something that there was a nanny during his Jennifer Gardner stint. So it's like anyone that I think gets with the help is the lowest of the low.

Guy Branum (34:28)

He is a Dunkin Donuts swilling, like, goon, but also, like.

Heather McDonald (34:36)

But hot as shit, in my opinion.

Guy Branum (34:38)

Still hot, even with that back tattoo.

Heather McDonald (34:41)

Well, my favorite time was him in the town.

Guy Branum (34:45)

Oh, yes.

Heather McDonald (34:46)

So that's his hottest taste movie.

Guy Branum (34:48)

But the thing is, I feel like he swings back towards her and there is this element of chaos and glamour to the two of them together. I just love knowing that Jennifer Garner is safe. You know, posting Instagram reels of recipes from her kitchen, like, makes me happy, but, like, I'm glad that this is going on. And even if they're just doing it for the camera is good and you never know where it could go.

Heather McDonald (35:14)

Yeah, so they said that then he, like, left. And then she got to have her fun at the after party and having people come up to her and, um.

Guy Branum (35:21)

Yeah, she'll never be a stateswoman. Like, she.

Heather McDonald (35:24)

Like a stateswoman. What do you mean?

Guy Branum (35:27)

Just sort of like a big deal above the fray. The way that some of these people who are like, big star Gwyneth Paltrow.

Heather McDonald (35:34)

Yeah.

Guy Branum (35:35)

You know, like, Jennifer Lopez will never get into a safe relationship with a television producer and have her brands and dress in elegant white. She will dress in elegant white while she is doing somewhat goofy and sometimes amazing things. Like, I just.

Heather McDonald (35:54)

I think she did realize that she could be above it all, and I think that she is a workaholic, and I think she said yes to too many things along the way.

Guy Branum (36:05)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (36:06)

Too many brands. She became, you know, like, when all these people become, like, an influencer like the rest of us, I'm like, you shouldn't have to do that. Like, you're JLo. And that's where I think this is. If she can stick to doing cool stuff like this as she enters the next phase of life and kind of stays above it and knows, like, I don't have to do all these things, like, she was gonna do products with, like, a. A rod at one point.

Guy Branum (36:36)

Yeah. She.

Heather McDonald (36:36)

What were you thinking, girl?

Guy Branum (36:38)

She likes being famous more than she likes any of the things that she is very good at doing. And that's rough.

Heather McDonald (36:44)

Maybe. So maybe that's what it is. I mean, I love her style and her look, like, more than anybody.

Guy Branum (36:50)

I mean, she's gorgeous and so talented.

Heather McDonald (36:52)

All right, let's talk. I just want to get your opinion now that it's been a week since the Saudi Arabian Comedy Festival. That got a lot of talk. Many comedians went. Some defended themselves. Jessica Kershawn, who really popped. She's been a working comic for a long time. She came on my show once, but she really popped when she was doing a lot of stage work that went viral.

Guy Branum (37:23)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (37:24)

And she is a lesbian. She is a mother. And she went and she came back and did a lengthy apology to her fans, and she said she would be donating her entire amount that she made to a civil rights or, like, a human rights organization. So I wanted to just fill in that part.

Guy Branum (37:47)

Well, the first thing is I take weekly French lessons on Wednesday.

Angie Hicks (37:52)

You do?

Guy Branum (37:52)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (37:53)

Bonjour.

Guy Branum (37:54)

And I, a couple of weeks ago, brought this up to my French instructor as a thing that we could talk about. And just the question of, like, you know, would I go to a country that kills gay people and where it, I believe, illegal to be Jewish in exchange for $350,000. What Tim Dillon was getting. And he was just like, you would. He was just like, the French Congress. Yeah. He was just like, you would. And the thing is, is like. Like, it's A lot of money. And, you know, Chris Rock was making a lot more than $350,000. Said they paid me enough to look the other. Was it Chris Rock who said that? Somebody said they paid me enough to look the other way. No, no. I'm sorry, Bill Burr. It was Dave Chappelle who said that.

Angie Hicks (38:39)

Okay.

Guy Branum (38:40)

And because I think Chris Rock has more convention conviction than that. And also for some of these people.

Heather McDonald (38:46)

It'S like, some people thought. Was just talking about Dave Chappelle is that. Remember when he turned down allegedly $50 million to continue his Comedy Central show because he felt, you know, he wasn't getting. He wasn't getting what he was getting. I don't know. But people change. Yes, people change. That was, like, 25 years ago. Maybe he just does. Maybe he's not the same person he was 25 years ago.

Guy Branum (39:09)

He feels so aggrieved by people, like, telling him, you don't need to constantly be saying mean things about trans people that, like, it's so weird that it. Are so many of these people are the ones who are like, oh, there's no free speech in America. Cause I can't call people the f. Slur anytime I want to. And it's like, you're going to a country where criticism of the government can get you beheaded. Like, you're going to a country, like. I just think. Personally, I think I shouldn't probably vacation in any country where people are, like, going to jail or getting killed for being gay. And that's hard because that's still a lot of countries. And, you know, I don't want to go somewhere, and I know that it won't happen to me, but I am only protected by my American passports. And I need to, like, acknowledge the fact that this is a real problem and struggle in these places and not just breeze around on the fact that I am white and from America. And so do you think?

Heather McDonald (40:09)

So do you. How. What's your prediction for this? Is it gonna happen next year? Are there gonna. Is it gonna be, you know, even a bigger festival, even more people doing it? I don't think. What's your prediction?

Guy Branum (40:22)

I don't think it will benefit or help them out as much as, like, Qatar having. Was it Cutter? Yeah. Qatar had the World Cup. Like, they're doing all of these things to sort of, like, change the vibe on these countries. And one thing you need to remember about most of these Gulf countries is that the majority of people who live there aren't citizens. The majority, like, in the UAE, I think, like, 90% of the population are guest workers who don't have any rights, and then a small portion of the population who are citizens who still aren't voting but have at least the rights of citizenship. And I think they're trying to destruct. They're using these things like the World cup or this festival to sort of, like, make people not focus on the civil rights and human rights issues that are going on. I don't think it will benefit Saudi Arabia that much. I think they'll. You know, I think music and soccer works better.

Heather McDonald (41:17)

I mean, a lot of. Yeah, a lot of musicians have gone or done private parties for an enormous amount of money or whatever. But, yeah, I saw the whole controversy with it. I didn't want to be anybody that. Pointing a finger at other comedians and how they make their decisions in their life.

Guy Branum (41:37)

And God knows I have pointed a finger at comedians in past. I do think that this is bad. But also, if someone said to you, half a million dollars for a week, but you would be going to a country where bad things happen, I mean.

Heather McDonald (41:57)

Honestly, I can honestly say. I don't know that I'd say yes.

Guy Branum (41:59)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (42:00)

I mean, because I don't want for anything, really. Honestly, I'm in a good place. So I do feel like there, you know, I just would have to. But what would probably would have convinced me is my rep being like, and all these other people are going, and you're gonna be traveling with your friends, and, like, almost like, there is safety in numbers. You're not the only one that's stepping out of the box and doing something. And that's why I think so many of them did it.

Guy Branum (42:32)

But there's also. It was a bunch of dudes. It was a bunch of dudes. And it was like. The thing that was noteworthy about Jessica Carson is that she was a woman and queer and Jewish. And the thing is, is, like, both of you and I have that going to a country that, like, very notably is terrible to women and gay guys impacts our audience, you know, and, like, is like, you. You know, like, you could, like, alienate the people, the voices that you're trying to elevate and speak to by doing something like that.

Heather McDonald (43:04)

I think also what Jessica said was, I thought I was gonna. You know, I thought by going, I'm showing people that a woman can live and think like me and all these things. And also these people are living there, and they deserve to be entertained and have live comedy. Like I'm saying, I think there was a lot of thought where everybody's Doing it. Go. And then once they were committed to doing it, then they had to sit with their team and be like, okay, either I'm never gonna respond to this, and I'm just gonna be funny and they'll be on to something else or some conspiracy theory or something to yell about on the. On their keyboards a week from now, or I am gonna do, like, what Jessica did and actually go, okay, I probably. I shouldn't have done this.

Guy Branum (43:53)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (43:53)

And I'm gonna make good because I appreciate my million Instagram followers and I appreciate where I was, like, from five years ago to where she is today. She's, like, done amazing.

Guy Branum (44:04)

Well, the other thing is, is, like, most standup comedians could not find Saudi Arabia on a map, let alone tell you what the political system is there or what's going on. Pete Davidson is not thinking about human rights issues in Saudi Arabia. I don't say that to excuse him. I just say I understand that timeline makes sense to me of it not being. Until someone explained it to them that they thought about it. But I also think some of. There were a lot of people who have been, quote, unquote, canceled who were going to it, and I think they are people with chips on their shoulder.

Heather McDonald (44:36)

Canceled prior.

Guy Branum (44:36)

You mean canceled Prior.

Heather McDonald (44:38)

Yeah.

Guy Branum (44:38)

Louis C.K. and, like, Aziz Ansari was not, like, he didn't do something. He.

Heather McDonald (44:43)

Aziz Ansari was on the scale of being a bad, horrible douche.

Guy Branum (44:51)

Yes. He was a bad date.

Commercial Narrator (44:52)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (44:53)

Harvey Weinstein at the top. Louis in the middle. Like, Aziz to my. Yeah, he was. He had bad bedside manner. He, like, got his BJ and, like, wasn't nice to the girl after. Whatever. I mean, but that whole thing. But it did. It affected his career at that time. Yeah. He was on a rise, and it took a big dip.

Guy Branum (45:13)

Yes. And I mean, I don't say this to excuse. None of this excuses them at all. I would like to hope that I would have the strength not to do it, but it's very easy to be a whore. You know, it's very easy to, like. I mean, the only time that I had anything like this was there was a Catholic college in Erie, Pennsylvania, that asked me to come. And I was one of the first gay comics who got booked at Catholic colleges because Loyola and University of San Francisco booked me. And then other places would. But this school asked me to not say anything supportive of gay marriage. And so the question was, like, do I go there and I break the rules? Do I go there and play ball, or do I not go there? And I chose to not go there. What would have been cool is if one of these guys who rants about free speech all the time had gone there and questioned the monarchy of.

Heather McDonald (46:11)

Yeah, but then if you do that, you could be in danger.

Guy Branum (46:13)

Exactly.

Heather McDonald (46:14)

So why do it then? So don't go then. Either you're gonna not go, or you're gonna go and play by the rules and come home safe and maybe never do it again. But, like, yeah, you're not gonna fuck around with something scary.

Guy Branum (46:25)

But I thought that they were big, bold, strong men who challenge ideas, you know?

Heather McDonald (46:29)

Well, that's the hypocrisy of it all.

Guy Branum (46:31)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (46:31)

And that's what I'm like, listen, 95% of Hollywood will do hypocritical things in their career. Yes, that's that. And so you shouldn't put them at a higher standard in any way, especially a comedian. I kind of wonder the few comedians that did point fingers and really go after Marc Maron.

Guy Branum (46:56)

I loved that Atsuko put out there, what the actual restrictions on speech were.

Heather McDonald (47:00)

And I think she's strong and super successful. But I wonder if, like, now. And I think that she did the right thing, but my thing is, like, yeah, people may not want to fuck with her in a good or a bad way. They might just be so embarrassed that they're like, let's say one of those guys has a show coming up, a sitcom in the next year and a half, and they're like, oh, and then we should have a crazy assistant.

Guy Branum (47:29)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (47:29)

And someone brings her name up and they're like, maybe not. And they won't say why, but it's just because they know that she was in the right and they're a little embarrassed about this. And so I'm saying that's why her bravery should even be more commended. Because when you do speak about other people, whether they're producers or other comedians, people will maybe not want to work with you. And so.

Guy Branum (47:52)

But it is also neat how the industry has changed that, like, Atsuka Okatsuka is doing fine. Like, she makes her own business much in the way that you do.

Heather McDonald (48:01)

And, like, still but an opportunity. It only takes one person to say no. And I'm just saying there might be things that she'll never even be aware that she was up for, because that person is like, I just. I'm too embarrassed to look this girl in the eye, you know? And so that's the thing I think people don't think about, like, But. So we'll see what happens. He is getting his tats removed. I'm so excited to share that this podcast Juicy Scoop is Sponsored by the RealReal. The best place to shop and sell Authenticated Luxury bags, clothes, watches and so much more. Speaking of watches, I have gotten two Herme watches from the RealReal. I absolutely love them and I love the quality and the excitement when I go and I shop. The real real resale is for second chances and the killer heels that killed your feet, the jewelry your ex bought you. Whatever it is consigning with the RealReal is the best way to let go of something that is no longer for you and getting paid for it. So if you need more closet space, don't stop shopping, start selling and make room for pieces that actually feel like you. The RealReal is attainable luxury that upgrades your personal style. With up to 90% off retail, you can finally have the pieces that you've been dreaming of from brands like Gucci, Fendi, Prada. Unlike other real sale sites, everything the RealReal sells is authenticated in person by luxury and fashion experts. The RealReal is the world's largest and most trusted resource for authenticated luxury resale with thousands of new arrivals daily. No one does resale like the RealReal and this month you can get an extra $100 site credit when you sell for the first time. Go to therealreal.com juicy to get your extra hundred dollars. Therealreal.com jucy that's therealreal.com juicy.

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Guy Branum (52:06)

Like, I mean, she's Nicole Kidman. She can pull off anything.

Heather McDonald (52:09)

It's perfect.

Guy Branum (52:09)

You know, I mean, she looks great. There. There are sometimes women, I think, who are using bangs defensively to hide and shroud certain things. I don't think she is doing that at all. I am just so excited for Nicole Kidman. Will this be her third marriage? Fourth marriage?

Heather McDonald (52:28)

I want to say maybe there was like a short marriage before Tom, and then there was this one. But listen, I want her to have.

Guy Branum (52:34)

A palate cleanser marriage to just like responsible friends. Gynecologist. Or like, maybe an agent. But I don't even think. I don't even think an agent. I would like her to have. Did you watch the documentary about Rita Moreno?

Heather McDonald (52:50)

No.

Guy Branum (52:51)

It's so good.

Heather McDonald (52:52)

Okay.

Guy Branum (52:52)

And she talks about being in love with Marlon Brando and getting pregnant by him and him making her terminate the pregnancy. It's so juicy. But she basically is like, and then I married a doctor and I stayed with him for 30 years until his death. Was I ever really in love with him? I don't know.

Heather McDonald (53:10)

Oh, my God.

Guy Branum (53:11)

I may be like mis phrasing it, but still, I would love Nicole Kidman to have that, like, nice, supportive, you know, either a Salma Hayek style billionaire who just will take care of her forever like Padma had, or just like the nice doctor who will just be there and be supportive of her for the next seven years.

Heather McDonald (53:31)

I don't think she's gonna ever get married again. I don't think she needs to. And she'll have like a young hot guy and she'll have her fun and she'll keep doing her movies.

Guy Branum (53:41)

Would you like to hear my hilarious joke on this, Tom?

Heather McDonald (53:43)

Yes.

Guy Branum (53:44)

Do you think this will inspire her to Reconnect with her children from Tom Cruise.

Heather McDonald (53:48)

No.

Guy Branum (53:49)

Yes. I mean, it's. The way that she behaves as though those children don't exist is hilarious.

Heather McDonald (53:53)

Well, what I have read in the past is that she tried very hard to have a relationship with them and. Because they were adopted, too.

Guy Branum (54:02)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (54:03)

And there was always some weirdness because I believe she did carry her daughters with him. So it was always kind of like, whose issue was it of why they went the adoption route.

Guy Branum (54:16)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (54:16)

And, you know, I feel like in escaping Scientology, that was just all part of it. And I think it was very probably sad for her, but at the same time, I know people maybe don't wanna hear this, but I think maybe because they weren't her biological children, and then she moved on just like a man. Okay. How many times in the history of the world has a man gotten divorced and moved on? And the first family is like. And then we never saw him again, and he had a whole new family, and he just moved on and, like, had other kids. So it's like, I think the fact that she didn't carry those children and it was just so, like, scary and icky and then. But I know. I do believe she had tried, and then they. Because they were part of Scientologists, she was seen as a suppressive person.

Guy Branum (55:00)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (55:00)

And they did see her. And I want to say there might have been an article recently in the last couple years where maybe she did, like, meet with the daughter or something.

Guy Branum (55:09)

What do you think she wants at this point in time? She's got her Oscar.

Heather McDonald (55:13)

Like, I think she just is like, Yeah, I don't think she wants him anymore if he's. Especially if he's moved on to somebody else.

Guy Branum (55:19)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (55:19)

And I think that she loves to work and. And, like. Yeah, she's just going to keep wearing wigs and being a rich character. A character who's a rich lady doing.

Guy Branum (55:33)

Limited series where somebody gets murdered.

Heather McDonald (55:35)

Yeah. And always rich and always wearing, like, a really nice cashmere sweater and being cold and just loving it. Yeah. That's what we got for her. This is a story that I'm always obsessed with. So Selena Gomez got married and she had a kidney donor many years ago named Francia Reza. And at the time, they were best friends. And I, years ago, saw that she was on the COVID of magazine, Selena Gomez saying, this is my best friend. And I went on Juicy Scoop, and I was like, what about the best friend that gave me the kidney? I got all the Selena Gomez bots coming after me. And it did kind of keep me from talking about it again. But now I don't care. And anyway, Selena had her wedding. It was, you know, it wasn't a 12 person wedding. It was a significant wedding. The kidney donor was not invited. And she said something recently like, you know, oh, I'm sure she's very happy. She's a billionaire. She got married, she's fine. I'm happy. I could save her life.

Guy Branum (56:39)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (56:40)

Which, I mean, I don't. Listen, I think it is a weird position to be in when you get a kidney from your best friend and then you don't. You're not in touch and you don't really want her at your wedding. And I think you didn't want her at your wedding for a number of reasons. One, you haven't been that good of a friend since you got the kidney. Two, she one time made a statement that she didn't appreciate Selena Gomez smoking with her kidney. And then third is she doesn't want to probably remind people at the wedding that at one time she was sick enough that she needed a kidney.

Guy Branum (57:17)

That aspect of Selena Gomez's story is really incredible and amazing that you had somebody having this ridiculously amazing career from such an early age while going through this very severe medical situation. The little girl from Modern Family also, like, you know, it's like, how do you manage all of that? It's pretty crazy. And like, I understand life moving along, you know, it's. It is hard. But I have to imagine like, look, if you're a kidney donor girl, you know, if you're ever in a real scrape, you are allowed to call Selena Gomez and ask her for a big favor because Selena Gomez cannot have there be news articles about how she is ungrateful to the girl who saved her life.

Heather McDonald (58:05)

Do you think there was a big payment or there's payment, like on occasion?

Guy Branum (58:09)

I don't know. But I wouldn't be surprised if there was. I wouldn't be surprised if there was. And like, you're. I don't know, you should always be grateful for something like that. But I also understand life moving along.

Heather McDonald (58:23)

I guess when you do these things, you go through like a psychological testing.

Guy Branum (58:27)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (58:28)

Where they very much are like, you don't have a hold on this person.

Guy Branum (58:33)

Right.

Heather McDonald (58:33)

For the rest of your life or whatever. You know, that's why it's always so beautiful when someone's child unfortunately dies and they donate their body parts and then the mom gets to hug this other woman's son who has the heart. That's different because your child has passed. This is very weird. I always remember George Lopez, his wife of many years gave him the kidney, and then he divorced her.

Guy Branum (59:00)

I mean, that's way worse than not inviting her to your wedding.

Heather McDonald (59:03)

You know, I don't know. I mean, short of my children, I think it would be a very hard thing for me to. I would have to really look at this and say, there's a good chance I'm going to open my Instagram and see you and my five best friends and my kidney on a yacht. And I wasn't invited. I would have to tell myself that. And then what if somebody else needs my kidney? Too bad. I already gave it to the girl in the. That didn't invite me to a party. You have to think about these things.

Guy Branum (59:38)

It's real. Yes.

Heather McDonald (59:40)

Yeah. Like, yeah, friendships don't last forever. But if I was Selena, I know it's your biggest day. I think I would have extended the invitation and let her decline.

Guy Branum (59:52)

Well, and also.

Heather McDonald (59:53)

And then she could have said, I was invited. I was out of town. Like, sometimes you just want to. I always think about things of, like, I have a saying, you know, like, what would Jesus do? I wonder, what would Kris Jenner do? And I believe Kris Jenner wants to walk around this earth where if someone says something like, oh, have you talked to Kris Jenner lately? You could say, no, but last time I text her, she sent back three dancing lady emojis on a heart. And then you cannot say a bad thing. So it's like, if I was her, I would have been. I would have done it. And just if she came, she came. And if she did, there are a.

Guy Branum (60:26)

Lot of tables at a wedding, you know, just like, put her off at one of. Put her with cousins.

Heather McDonald (60:31)

Yeah. And she's not, like, that recognizable. I know she was an actress, too, but it's not like she's that recognizable of face like a Taylor Swift.

Guy Branum (60:38)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (60:39)

Who, like, gave a speech and stuff. So I don't know. But maybe there was more history or it's just I don't have to invite her. I give her, you know, a million dollars a year.

Guy Branum (60:51)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (60:51)

And that's our agreement. And she doesn't talk shit about me, and she also doesn't come my wedding, and we'll never know.

Guy Branum (60:56)

I mean, I hope that's the case.

Heather McDonald (60:58)

I mean, then I think that'd be. I think that should be, like, good. I don't want to go to your wedding. Just don't have your payment late. Well, this is very sad. So Denise Richards, as you know, is divorcing her second husband, Aaron, and he is a nightmare. And a lot has come out. They were actually in court because she got a temporary restraining order in July. And she is in court testifying to get a permanent one, which would be for five years from him. And she is claiming severe physical abuse. And his cousin testified on her behalf, saying that she did witness such things.

Guy Branum (61:36)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (61:36)

Where it's like, you know, hitting her in the head, all these things. She was getting a. Redoing her breasts or whatever. And while she was recovering in the hospital room, he got physical with her. Then there's, you know, black eyes. There's many occasions, like, choking, many occasions that she's testifying to. He is saying it's all not true and that he's gonna bring Brandi Glanville on and Charlie Sheen to prove his point that she makes up stories and lies. Because when he said while he was walking to court, he goes, I walked into our laundry room and saw Brandi Glanville and Denise Richards fooling around. And on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Brandi said, we had a rendezvous in Canada while she was filming a movie. And she. I thought they had an open marriage. And she told me, if Aaron ever found out, he'd kill me. Well, that, to me, makes me believe Denise. And also, if he saw them hooking up five years ago and he was so angry and against it, why did he stay married for another five years? Why didn't he, like, end the marriage then? Because he depended on her financially, and he was denied spousal support. He was asking for $150,000 right now. He said, I need 150,000 from our joint accounts that she has cut him out of or whatever. Maybe they weren't joint accounts.

Guy Branum (63:00)

The money that she has is just from. Is mostly from her divorce. Her divorce from Charlie. Right.

Heather McDonald (63:06)

She's very successful onlyfans, and she does a lot of TV and brand deals.

Guy Branum (63:10)

Okay.

Heather McDonald (63:11)

And so. Yeah. So thank. So he did not get the support. I don't. As of yet, I don't know if the judge has granted the permanent restraining order. I would think that she would get it. She is trying to get him and his family of his parents and his brother finally moved out of her property or the one that she was on the lease for. It is a nightmare. And then Charlie Sheen, who, when they got divorced, in her divorce papers, it was abuse.

Guy Branum (63:38)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (63:39)

And they even touch on it. I think, though she was supportive in his doc about it. So anyway, he was doing an interview with. With who's the guy from California, David Duchovny, had some live show and he was interviewing him, Charlie. And he goes, do you have any regrets? And he's like, tattoos. I wish I hadn't gotten all these tattoos. Not, you know, who you were with or how you were as a parent or a son or a co star, or who you may have contracted HIV from or gave or whatever that allegedly is. It was just tattoos.

Guy Branum (64:22)

I mean, he's a kook. Like, expecting him to have any perspective on his own life is ridiculous. You know, like, Denise is a big personality. It's why she's so good on the show. Like, she's almost too honest for a Real Housewife show. Like, her not suffering of bullshit is amazing. Like, somebody, like, being, like, withholding about information about a same sex relationship that they had while they were married to somebody else. We've all seen hunting wives, you know, like, that's.

Heather McDonald (64:59)

But I truly believe the only reason that she was like that was because of him. Because I think, you know, she's a sex symbol. And, you know, she was married to Charlie Sheen. Like, I don't think it would have. I really think she was terrified. I mean, there was a scene where she's like, remember, we're mic'd. And he goes, I'm gonna squeeze your hand so fucking hard. Like, there's literally. I think then she. I mean, she told me. Cause I saw her and she's so sweet and she's so grateful of all the support that she's gotten. And she's like, my divorce from Charlie was so awful that I was like, well, I'll never get divorced again. And that's another reason why she stayed also. It's so embarrassing. And you're stuck in this thing. And I just. Ugh. I just feel so badly for her. And he's like, in my opinion, a grifter. Like, he was, you know, with Nicolette Sheridan before. At one point, he was with this famous soap actress from Young and Restless. Prior to Nicolette Sheridan or in between, he was just going up and down, you know, Malibu looking for, like, rich women. He is the worst.

Guy Branum (66:11)

Yeah. No, I mean, that's terrible. And also, once you have opened up your life just by being Denise Richardson and then being on a Real Housewife show, you understand that separating from somebody is gonna involve all of this stuff coming out and people, you know, people in comments are cruel. And people feel so comfortable questioning fundamental things. Like when you say, he hit me.

Heather McDonald (66:35)

Yeah. I mean, it's. It's. It's hard.

Guy Branum (66:38)

So.

Heather McDonald (66:40)

Okay. I just Wanna remind everybody. November 14th, I will be at BravoCon weekend at the MGM Grand.

Guy Branum (66:47)

Awesome.

Heather McDonald (66:47)

So you need to go get your tickets. Heathermcdallin.net that's also where you join Patreon. We're almost sold out.

Guy Branum (66:55)

Can I plug?

Heather McDonald (66:55)

Yes. What do you got?

Guy Branum (66:57)

October 20th, I will be at Club Fugazi in San Francisco at the throckmorton on the 21st, in Mill Valley and then in Portland on the 23rd and Seattle at the hereafter on the 24th. All of that is on all of my social linked on all of my socials and on guybranum.com it's me doing my solo.

Heather McDonald (67:18)

We're not done with my show yet.

Guy Branum (67:19)

But we're still doing my solo show. But I'm plugging, I'm plugging, plugging.

Heather McDonald (67:22)

We can plug in the middle.

Guy Branum (67:23)

Okay. Sorry.

Heather McDonald (67:23)

So, no, it's all good. I just, I happen to have come, but I'm glad. I'm just letting people know. Don't turn us off because we got more to talk about. Real Housewives of Miami star Alexia Nippola's ex husband, Todd has filed a $10 million defamation lawsuit against Bravo. He did a long 10 minute video talking to the camera like two months ago saying how furious he was of how he was portrayed and that he feels they portrayed him like he was going broke when he wasn't, just because he rented a luxury apartment and didn't own it. And there were narratives that were untrue that the other cast members were saying. And therefore his reputation has been suffered to the tune of $11 million. Because it's like 10 million is for one thing and 1 million is for another. And what do you think of a lawsuit like this?

Guy Branum (68:17)

It's really interesting because saying someone is bad at their job is one of the, like legally one of the four things that is severe, like saying that they have a venereal disease or saying that they have committed a crime is one of the things that's, I think, called slander, per se. It makes it sort of like a more severe kind of, of defamation. But the question of what is opinion and what is a declaration of fact on a reality show is so weird because, like, if a reality show shows you a person saying a fact about someone else, are they republishing what that person is saying? Are they endorsing it or are they just showing it to you as their opinion? Because you can't sue someone for definite defamation about an opinion, but you can sue them about an assertion of fact and like, it used to be when, like, only newspapers and stuff like, were carrying stuff like this, they would be really cautious about repeating something that was someone's assertion of a fact about something like this.

Heather McDonald (69:18)

But, like, as someone who watched every episode, I did not walk away thinking, Todd is a bad businessman. Well, and also, so I'm like, if that. So, I don't know. I think you'll have a hard time proving that, like, that his business really suffered. But maybe he will say that. But I'm just. I didn't think that. I just thought he didn't like being on camera and that's why they got divorced and she was still in love with him. I thought he seemed like a fine stepdad. I was just like, I don't know. I don't think what's interesting is, like, no fan of Bravo is going to suddenly have sympathy for the ex husband of a housewife. Cause he's a man. And also, anything that could take Bravo away from us, we are not going to be for that lawsuit.

Guy Branum (70:05)

But the thing is, he's not gonna win. I think he'll probably. He's hoping that they settle with him just to avoid the lawyer costs that it would take to actually, you know, this will not go to trial.

Heather McDonald (70:16)

I don't think they will. Because the reality reckoning didn't go anywhere. There hasn't been any settlement. There's another woman suing for 20 million. There's several lawsuits against Bravo. And I would think if they start to settle with one, then they're settling with the other. So they have to stand high and be like, no, you signed these releases. That's that.

Guy Branum (70:38)

Yeah. I mean, well, and the interesting status of the husbands is because you're like, you are signing releases, but you're not getting paid for it. Your wife is or whatever it is. Interesting. But they still sign the releases.

Heather McDonald (70:55)

Well, anyway, now they're divorced, and some people wonder, will this hurt her chances of coming back? Yeah, do you think it will?

Guy Branum (71:01)

Do you think he's doing this? I don't think so. But do you think it will hurt her chances of coming back? Could he be doing this just as a revenge thing against her?

Heather McDonald (71:10)

I mean, that would really suck. I wonder if she could then sue him for that. But, like, that would really suck if they just want to get rid of her so that no one's reminded of this and that no one's slipping. Because how. How. What are you supposed to do then? Go on set and just know? And her whole life is like this horrible thing that's happening with her ex husband. And people are not supposed to mention it, but you're supposed to be a girlfriend in a real life scene. Like, of course you're gonna be like, oh, my God, Todd's a dick. Like, he's the worst.

Guy Branum (71:36)

And the lawyers would be telling them, like, well, you can't talk about him while this thing is going on.

Heather McDonald (71:41)

Yeah.

Guy Branum (71:42)

He's like, it's always interesting to me when you have ex husbands who are, like, exerting control over what can be shown or how much can be shown. Like, when you have.

Heather McDonald (71:53)

Yeah. And she. Yeah, she said that. She goes, you know, it was so. He was just awful all the time. Like, before the last reunion, you know, she. Right. Right. As she was about to, like, walk on, he was like, you know, hadn't talked to her for two days, putting her, in a word, in an awful state, being totally unsupportive of it. I mean, that's really awful, too. Like, it's stressful enough that you have to go and fight and, like, do all this awful stuff. And then to just also have your husband, like, you better not say this or that, or, they better not say this about me. And you're just like, I mean, talk about the ultimate of walking on eggshells. Like, what a nightmare. Also, Netflix, there's a $15 million lawsuit from the movie Inventing Anna, the girl that was basically based on her story, who was the friend who got stuck with the $70,000 credit card bill when they went to Morocco.

Guy Branum (72:49)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (72:49)

She is suing, saying, you use my name, my likeness and everything, and I don't like the way I was portrayed because you portrayed me as, like, greedy and. Which isn't true. And so she's suing now. How does that work?

Guy Branum (73:04)

I mean, like, it's. I don't think she has much of a case. Like, basically, you're there saying it's false light. So she's not actively saying that. Like, there was any clear defamation. Like, false light just means you represented me as being not like I am, even though there was nothing directly false. And it's like, this is true events. Like, they're pretty open about the fact that it is inspired by true events and not a direct sort of attempt at, like, documentary reconstruction of what happens. It seems really hard. I mean, it must be hard to see people making money off of something that you're involved in that you didn't make money off of. Yeah, but also, you were in newsworthy events, you know.

Heather McDonald (73:54)

Right, exactly. Like, yeah. I mean, there's a Movie out right now called Swiped, which is about the owner and creator of Bumble. And she didn't have anything to do with that movie.

Guy Branum (74:09)

Right.

Heather McDonald (74:10)

And I mean, it's fine. I mean, I think I have to watch it, but I mean, I think she comes off really great. It's her story. But the story was out there. Just like, someone could do three.

Guy Branum (74:20)

But Zuckerberg didn't make any money off of the Social Network.

Angie Hicks (74:22)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (74:22)

People could do three stories, three versions of Long Island Lolita.

Guy Branum (74:26)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (74:26)

You know what I mean? And three different people played her. I mean, that's just. People are gonna be. There's gonna be multiple movies about Karen Reed that she might not have a dollar from. So, I mean, I think that that's what it. But you know what I want to ask you, because I always wonder. So this movie came out two years ago. Why does it take two years to then do the lawsuit? Are you shopping around for lawyers? Does it take that long to get it together? Or is it like after a year and a half, you're like, you know what? That's still pissing me off. I am going to sue.

Guy Branum (74:58)

I think it's some degree of that. But it also is just the statute of limitations tolling. So within two to three years, the statute of limitations would toll where? If you did not, you know, but.

Heather McDonald (75:08)

Why not jump on it two years ago, then when it was, like, hot and in the news?

Guy Branum (75:13)

She probably didn't get pissed off for a while, I would have to imagine. And I also think, like, finding lawyers and like, I mean, were they trying to sort of, like, back channel for some money before this? I don't know.

Heather McDonald (75:26)

Like, it's asking for money and then they didn't give the money, and then they have to.

Guy Branum (75:31)

Yes, but I mean, it's not as though she's like that directly aggrieved by, you know, it was like, oh, they made me seem not great, you know. Okay, no, first we have to talk about my legal issue.

Heather McDonald (75:44)

Oh, yes, let's talk about your legal.

Guy Branum (75:46)

Issue, because it is a juicy Scoob angle. This all just comes down to. I got on a. Like, normally I fly business class, but, you know, there haven't been as many TV jobs. And this summer I wanted to do, like, three things in a row. And I was like, I can do one of these things if I fly business class, or I can, like, fly comfort plus and do all of them. And I went to my friend Tori's wedding, and as I was flying back, it was a full flight, and I Had been placed in a middle seat. Usually I try to get a window seat because I'm a big guy and I'm trying to stay out of people's way. But I was in the middle seat, and there was an old guy who came down. And first he hit a woman's hand because she was placing a bag in the overhead compartment near where he was gonna sit. And he had decided that that was his territory, and she wasn't allowed to do that. So they had a full altercation beforehand. And then he sat down, and he was like, could you scoot over? And I was like, I can't. You know, I was there. I was in between the two armrests. I had buckled my seatbelt without a belt extender. I was fine. And he was like, can you scoot over? And I was like, actually, I can't. And then he just, like, leaned over and elbowed me as hard as he could. And I told the flight attendants, and he got mad, and he was a million miler. And so he, like, I believe, was texting someone from Delta. And then, like, a Delta customer servant service agent showed up, and they started, you know, evaluating the situation as, oh, this person has to sit next to a fat person. And in no way, like, they pulled him aside and they talked to him, but they in no way were like, so someone hit you? What happened? And when the. All they did was because I had taken a video of it, I posted it on Instagram, but all that the official Delta representative did was ask me if I would delete the video. And, like, at that moment, the people around me, like, there were a gay couple behind me and, like, a woman across the aisle who just sort of, like, popped up and were like, no, that guy hit him. He hit another woman. He is the problem. And, like, they just moved him to the other side of the aisle and had him switch and, like, gave a woman miles because she had to sit next to me. She was very, very lovely because I was, you know, crying into my eye mask. Just sort of, like, humiliated and uncomfortable with the whole situation. But later, one of the flight attendants came up and showed me a message on their phone that was like, we asked to have this guy removed from the flight, and we told her that he had hit you and he was the problem. And she overruled us. And as I was leaving, that member of the flight crew was like, you have to talk about this next time you're on Juicy Scoop. And the two things that, like, in.

Heather McDonald (78:40)

A moment, shout out to the flight attendant from Delta That's a juicy scooper.

Guy Branum (78:44)

The two things were like, after I, like, pulled my eye mask off and realizing that of the people who had, like, hopped up to defend me, like, of the six, four of them were watching the Devil Wears Prada and having a person say, like, I am a juicy scooper, I was here for you. It was just a moment of realizing, like, women and queer people and people who didn't always have full access to our voices. So many cultural things have reminded us that we do have the right to push back and, you know, not be hit. And it is very frustrating to me that so much of the discourse around this is like, oh, that guy's too fat, he needs to buy two seats. The thing is, a lot of people don't realize that if you buy two seats on a full flight, they'll still just give it away. Like, there's not a good system for handling fat people on flights. And just having it be waiting until somebody decides to point at me and call me fat to try to deal with it is not good. But also, you shouldn't fucking hit people, you know?

Heather McDonald (79:41)

And that's just beyond shocking. Like, I just am like, wow.

Guy Branum (79:45)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (79:46)

Like, what? People are losing their minds. Like, you're on a suck it up. Travel is hard for everybody. And, yeah, babies cry.

Guy Branum (79:56)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (79:57)

And I mean, love to the moms that are like, I make, you know, treats for everybody to say my no. Like, just fucking deal with it.

Guy Branum (80:06)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (80:06)

Bring your earplugs, bring your eye mask, whatever it is. But, like, that's life. Like, what is people? It's disgusting.

Guy Branum (80:13)

I mean, he was. I think he had had a couple of drinks and he was a million miler, who I believe was pissed off that he had not gotten upgraded further than Comfort Plus. And, like, sure. But, like, he walked in there ready to be in a fight and wow. Yeah. And it was just really upsetting that, you know, like, once I landed in LA and reported it to the gate agent, the Delta people were like, they were supposed to just get the police there. Why did they not get the police there? And, you know, it was really frustrating.

Heather McDonald (80:46)

Wow. Well, I'm glad that you shared your story. Anything you want to say about Real Housewives of Salt Lake? Because that was on last night. I made you watch.

Guy Branum (80:52)

So I've just been starting season one and, like, I worried that Meredith was queen. Like, she seemed to not be in the episode that much. She, like, did her own thing with her caviar place and then was in a conversation at the end. And I was happy When I saw the conversation at the end, because I was worried that she was trying to queen bee and be above the fray. And is that an issue and a problem or. No. Does Meredith still do her job?

Heather McDonald (81:17)

Oh, yeah, Meredith is great. She just hasn't been featured as much because it's all about Lisa Barlow and her businesses.

Guy Branum (81:23)

I mean, Lisa is an icon. And I just. That that show is such a forum for cowboy hats and turtlenecks thrills me, really.

Heather McDonald (81:31)

And they. They all are great looking. But listen, Bravo, Snarkside. Actually, screen grabbed the text that went between Lisa Barlow and Angie, and Lisa Barlow went after Angie because Angie has many salons. Three which she owns and the other seven she has franchised out. And Lisa Barlow was somehow, like, trying to pinpoint whatever. They're all pointing fingers at each other as being, like, not as rich and not having as many businesses. And so then she's like, I supported your, you know, your son's hair, whatever gel, and it's in my salons, but no one's buying it.

Guy Branum (82:14)

So it's a C list product.

Heather McDonald (82:15)

Disgusting. So then an assistant comes to go pick it up. Yeah. She goes, this is sealest product. And then they start going back on the text messages where then Lisa texted her and said, 600 Venmo sent. I can send my cleaners to help you too, because she said it's there collecting dust. And then Angie said, you should probably have sent the $600 to other people that are claiming that you owe them money. I didn't say you owed me any money and my salon is not dusty. And then Lisa said, well, at least I don't have to borrow money to take fake. Wait, let me do at least this way. Well, at least I don't have to borrow money to take vacations and pay it back after using a card. I should have been. Wait, I should have been up something, but able. It got cut off. But then I'm sure Angie went back and was like, isn't someone accusing you of owing money on an AMEX card? It went back and forth and it's like, it's. It's pretty fun. It's snarky, but it's kind of like.

Guy Branum (83:12)

Yeah, I mean, it's like mutually assured destruction. I'm like, wouldn't it benefit these ladies not to do these things? But I guess that's what the show is. I have a question, though. The woman who was married to the coach, the party planner, is she still on the show?

Heather McDonald (83:25)

She's in jail.

Guy Branum (83:26)

Oh, no, I didn't Realize Jen Shaw.

Heather McDonald (83:28)

Interesting that you asked that. Jen Shaw. This is from Sutton Stroller. Catherine Dennis is from Real House, is from Southern Charm. She's been off the show for a long time. She struggled with drugs and alcohol. She just got a DUI. So she has 25 days in prison. Jen Shaw has 326 days left. But what is she in jail for? Oh, stealing money from old people and doing a whole scheme where they would trick elderly people into thinking that they could have a viable business.

Guy Branum (83:58)

Oh, wow.

Heather McDonald (83:59)

And then telling them they need more and more and more money and then keeping all that money for herself.

Guy Branum (84:03)

Amazing.

Heather McDonald (84:03)

She's with One Drop girl, Elizabeth Holmes. They're in prison together, hanging out. But I just heard from a very good source that she could be getting out extremely soon. And I'm sure that she will be asked right back to beyond the Housewives. Peter Thompson has 410 days left. He was the husband of Cynthia Bailey on Real Housewives of Atlanta. And then Tom Girardi has 2000, 566 days left.

Guy Branum (84:36)

To the extent that there's still a Tom there.

Heather McDonald (84:38)

Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, this has been so fun. Again, let's remind everybody to follow Guy Branham. He is really becoming a TikTok and Instagram sensation. He has his great show with many dates and they can go get that again. Yes.

Guy Branum (84:57)

Guybranham.com oribranham on Instagram and guybranhamcomedy on.

Heather McDonald (85:02)

TikTok all the info is and what a delight. And thank you for sharing your awful airline personal story with us and giving all your insights.

Guy Branum (85:13)

But thank you for creating an army of people who are out there to, you know, be full of the light and love that you foster in this community.

Heather McDonald (85:23)

I love it and I love my juicy scoopers and they really are the best part about what I do because they are like minded, lovely, intelligent, caring people and funny because I like funny people.

Guy Branum (85:36)

Yeah. Thank you.

Heather McDonald (85:38)

Bye.

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