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Heather McDonald
Heather McDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.
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Jessica Rothschild
When you're on the road, when you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood tales for real life.
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Heather McDonald
Mr.
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Jessica Rothschild
Segment, cereal data and cereal Sister. You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in, listen up.
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Heather McDonald
Woo.
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Jessica Rothschild
Woo. Hannah McDonald's juicy scoop.
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Heather McDonald
Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a fellow podcaster here, first time on Juicy Scoop, Jessica Rothschild. We have talked. We had a long conversation a while ago on a phone and then you told me about your new podcast that was coming out, which is like a series, a specific series, like a docu series.
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Jessica Rothschild
It's a docu series.
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Heather McDonald
And. And you're like, I think this is right up your alley. I'm like, yeah, it is, it is. The secrets behind the soul cycling everything we. All those weird things that we'd hear of, strange stuff going on. The podcast is called Cult of Body and Soul.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yeah.
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Heather McDonald
So I want to just. Let's just start.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yeah, let's go.
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Heather McDonald
Just give me a little background on you and all the different things you do and then how. And obviously you're very fit. You have a tiny little one.
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Jessica Rothschild
I mean, you did grope me as I was coming up here.
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Heather McDonald
I was like, oh, I can see you fully. Like, I'm like, look at this little tiny waist. But no, you're like a little petite worked out thing. And so you got into this exercise, but prior to getting into the exercise, just give us a little background on what your career was up until doing this podcast.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yeah, so I, back in the day, I started as a writer. I helped. I was a founding writer of like the largest independent lesbian website, like, period. It still exists.
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Heather McDonald
Oh, great.
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Jessica Rothschild
And there I interviewed like everyone I ever wanted. Like everyone from the L Word, Sandra Bernhard, Margaret Cho, any, like, tangentially related, like, Celesbian person.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah, Celesbian. That's a great meme.
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Jessica Rothschild
And that is where I first met Julian Brandi.
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Heather McDonald
Oh, okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
We go way back because they used to do video movie reviews for that site, which is called Autostraddle.
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Heather McDonald
Okay, okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
And so that's why I've known Julie and Brandi. We've like traveled together. We've like been. Been intense together, done it all. And so that was where I really learned how to like book guests and like write an email that will get a response. I was like a below nobody, nothing. And then years later, I mean, I've worked in tech full time, but like, this is. Was really my passion. And then when I was Always a podcast listener, and specifically yours was actually one of the first podcasts aside from Howard Stern. You were really, like, the first true podcast, like, on the ipod that I ever got into.
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Heather McDonald
Thank you.
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Jessica Rothschild
I was. I was ahead of the curve with the technology. And so anyway. And so I've been listening since, like, the early days. Like, podcast went, like, forever, and I fell into podcast. Like, I was always a behind the scenes for, like, a writer and, like, a journalist. And I somehow, like, I got really. My ex really got me into the Housewives, like, something that I never thought I'd get into. And she's like, you just need to understand Bethenny Frankel. And then I realized she is my soulmate. I realized, oh, this is. I can really. And she's like, you need to understand Jill Zarin.
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Heather McDonald
And so, of course you're a New Yorker, obviously. We hear you're a New Yorker in your voice.
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Jessica Rothschild
I'm a long. Yeah. I'm from Long island, originally. I'm from Long Island.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
Like, much like Jill Zara.
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Heather McDonald
Yes.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yeah. And so, of course, because I'm then going to take it to the extreme, I, like, begin doing a podcast and I just take it, you know, all to the extreme. And so I was doing, like, a Bravo related. But, like, every New York housewife has, like, been in my apartment. So then I interview, because I had that background in interviewing. Like, I knew how to be really meticulous with research and how to make people really feel comfortable. And then because I was such a Howard Stern fan, I really understood the art of the audio medium.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
And how to do it, just because I was a listener. So I just innately understood. And then it grew the show. I moved away from Bravo and I started really, like, going back to my roots, like, interviewing like Sandra Bernhard Margaret, but now in audio form. And, like, Rosie o' Donnell was, like, a huge. That was a big, like, breakthrough. Of course, during COVID everyone's, like, doing nothing. So, like, I was able to do all these major interviews, and then I. I've always loved documentary, but, like, how would I make it? I'm not a filmmaker. Like, and then I realized, oh, I can just use my medium. And I just figured it out. And this is my second.
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Heather McDonald
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Jessica Rothschild
The history of Fire Island. Like and which is the.
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Heather McDonald
Which is a gay, not a gay island. I mean it's an island, it is a gay island. But I mean you don't have to be gay to be there. But it was like the first kind of like vacation east coast vacation homes for New York people to go to. Right.
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Jessica Rothschild
Starting in the 50s.
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Heather McDonald
Oh okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
And so I entered.
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Heather McDonald
I like so it was like there and Palm Springs. But I feel like Palm Springs wasn't. It was. Palm Springs was more of like an escape from Hollywood. But because there were so many secret gay people in Hollywood is where it then became such a, like a gay community.
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Jessica Rothschild
I never thought. You're right. Yeah, but this was like back when being gay was illegal. Like you couldn't like they would arrest people. Like they had a quota of people and even on Fire island there was a quota of people they had to round up and like they would arrest them and people would lose their Jobs for having like public sex. You know, they'd be written up in the newspaper and then they, because they were outed, they would lose their jobs.
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Heather McDonald
Oh my God.
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Jessica Rothschild
And so, but in that series I interviewed people who have been there from the 50s all the way to like Joel Kim Booster, to like.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
Make this a sellable product.
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Heather McDonald
Right.
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Jessica Rothschild
But they're like, I interviewed this like 90 year old drag queen who like, he's the oldest living drag queen, period. He's like an icon on Fire Island. He's in a suit singing like Judy Garland.
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Heather McDonald
Amazing.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yes.
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Heather McDonald
So you do all that. And at the time, the soul cycle thing was something that I personally, I think I've done it like twice. I had every friend of mine that was into working out loved just wasn't for me.
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Jessica Rothschild
Were you ever into fitness?
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Heather McDonald
I actually hate cardio. No. I like pilates, I like yoga, I like going on like a four mile walk.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yeah.
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Heather McDonald
I just was never into like cardio, jazz or size, like classes. Yeah, and the classes and like, you know, but it was fine. Like I, when people would invite me, I would go and I'd feel good about myself. But I never like joined one where I was going three days a week at 9am yeah. And it just seemed like it was such a big thing. And then there were stories that came out about it and then there was like, wasn't there like a soul cycle guy that like became super famous? That also was like on Dancing with the Stars or something. Like the, the actual people doing the stuff became celebrities. Right.
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Jessica Rothschild
Particularly the New York. Because it started in New York. Spinning really started in la. Like actually the first episode, the title of it is Made in la. Because this all true. If you trace back like spinning and indoor cycling, the story starts here. And so it was such a. You know, where I first heard the word spinning. The year is 1997 and Helen Hunt is about to win the Oscar for As Good As It Gets. And she's interviewed on the red carpet. I can't believe this memory is coming back to me. I've never like said this outside my head. And she's interviewed on the red carpet and they're like, oh. Cause like she lost weight from Mad about you, which I was such a fan of that show. And they're like, oh my God, like, what are you doing? And she's like, I've been doing a lot of spinning and that. And I like, I don't know if I Google like Yahoo, whatever, you know, like, what is spinning like that? Because it was 97 yeah, but in LA, it was happening at like Gold's Gym.
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Heather McDonald
I remember a Patty Stayer when she would, like, do her show Million Dollar Matchmaker, and even when she talks now, she would say, oh, so you like a spinner? You like a little spinner girl, Meaning like a, A, like a small, skinny girl that could do a, A spinning class.
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Jessica Rothschild
Like, and she would say that to the guys.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah. Like, is that the type that you want? You want like a little spinner? Like, you know, of what it. What it is. And you know, right now I want to get into the whole thing, but, like, I do feel like in the exercise world, especially in la, because people are always looking for the fix, you know, now it's a shot, you know, like, get your. Get your shot on. But you still need to wild. But you still need to work out. Yeah, but it's amazing, like, how my friends that were really into exercise, so it was. They were into spinning, they were into the bar method, which was like ballet with a bar or something, where you're like, I don't know, those were classes, those were franchises that you could do.
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Jessica Rothschild
Remember Tracy Anderson?
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Heather McDonald
Then Tracy Anderson would do this weird, like, where people were like, okay, allegedly. Weren't people, like, breaking ankles and stuff?
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Jessica Rothschild
Correct.
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Heather McDonald
Because you would, like, do a weird, like, jumping like, on wood.
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Jessica Rothschild
It was the stories that would come out of that were crazy.
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Heather McDonald
Okay, can we talk about some alleged stories? I'm trying to remember what was that? Because that was like the Gwyneth Palfrey.
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Jessica Rothschild
No kidding. That's the. What I'm remembering that story, what you just said.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah. And I remember, like, when I was on Chelsea lately, they talk about it, or maybe Chelsea was very athletic. So I think maybe she tried to do it and then she became a celebrity in her own. The Tracy Anderson Method.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yeah.
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Heather McDonald
And. Yeah. And then I saw you did an interview recently where they were talking about.
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Jessica Rothschild
The old Bravo show workout with Jackie Warner. Yes, I could do an hour on Jackie Warner if you want to go there. I mean, do you remember, were you a.
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Heather McDonald
Yes, I. Well, first of all, I was watching. I was watching Bravo when it was just the guy in front of the college kids talking to an A list actor. What was that called?
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Jessica Rothschild
Inside the Actor Studio.
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Heather McDonald
Inside the Actor Studio. And then the first reality show I ever saw on Bravo, which I bring up at least three times a year, and it's something that we will never be able to redo because it was locked in a certain time in la, which was showbiz Moms and Dads and the Kids come out for pilot season and they live at those apartments, those. I can't even think of the name. The Oak.
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Jessica Rothschild
The Oakwood Apartments.
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Heather McDonald
Oakwood Apartments. And they're trying to get a sitcom and they had like a toddler and tiara type of person. They had like a mom trying to make her son her. Her son like a country singer. It was. It was like one of the greatest. If I could just go back to that time of my life, if God said, do you want to go back? Like, that would be one of the times. That would be like, just take me back to that house that I was living in and watching those shows because I. It was just fascinating to me because we had an agent growing up, my nieces and nephews did. So it was just very interesting. But with Jackie Warner, she had a.
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Jessica Rothschild
Gym, Sky Sport and spa.
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Heather McDonald
And she was a lesbian.
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Jessica Rothschild
A big one.
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Heather McDonald
What does a big one mean?
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Jessica Rothschild
It's a.
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Heather McDonald
What is it? Are you a little one? Because you're little, you're like.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yeah, it's a quote from the First Wives Club.
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Heather McDonald
Oh, okay. A big one. So what happened to her?
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Jessica Rothschild
I have a five part miniseries out on my regular. I've interviewed her five times.
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Heather McDonald
Where is she now?
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Jessica Rothschild
Ohio.
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Heather McDonald
Doing what?
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Jessica Rothschild
She trains people on Zoom, if you're interested.
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Heather McDonald
Okay. But did. Did she have. In a nutshell. And then everybody go back and listen to your five part series. Did she have like a, A breakup with Fame after the show or what was it?
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Jessica Rothschild
Okay, I'll quickly give you the Jackie Warner like. Okay, I'm gonna do a tight three on Jackie Warner.
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Heather McDonald
Okay, you can do a tight four.
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Jessica Rothschild
Okay. I mean, I could talk for hours. This is so interesting. Her whole story is interesting. So first of all, you know, she, that she knows. She was.
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Heather McDonald
So it was a gym show. I'll just tell you. It was a show about her running her LA gym. I think she had a partner. She had a couple people who worked there. And it was just the drama.
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Jessica Rothschild
It was the drama with the trainers.
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Heather McDonald
With the trainers at a very exclusive like LA gym. And there's some celebrities that pop in and make a cameo.
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Jessica Rothschild
Oh, she trained like Alanis Morissette. Jodie Foster would work out. They all became her clients.
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Heather McDonald
Okay, so tell the story.
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Jessica Rothschild
So prior to her opening that. So she was with Jillian. She was with Jillian Michaels for six.
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Heather McDonald
Years as a couple.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yes.
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Heather McDonald
Oh, okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
That was not public information. I knew it. But it was not public until our first interview.
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Heather McDonald
And that and Jillian Michaels. For people to remember, she was the pretty brunette trainer that Was on the weight loss show where they'd make the people take off their shirts and weigh themselves.
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Jessica Rothschild
Biggest Loser.
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Heather McDonald
Yes.
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Jessica Rothschild
With Bob Harper, who was on this year's Traitors.
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Heather McDonald
Oh, interesting.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yeah. Remember him?
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Heather McDonald
Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a.
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Jessica Rothschild
He's got the tattoos.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were the traitors. And they would.
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Jessica Rothschild
But she was known to be really. Gillian was known to be, like, really abusive, allegedly verbally, to the people.
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Heather McDonald
You mean just her?
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Jessica Rothschild
Just in general.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
To everybody in society. She's banned from Watch what happens live.
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Heather McDonald
Oh, well, I probably am too. I don't know about that. Anyway, go on.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yeah, so they. What people don't know is they opened the gym featured on Workout. They co owned that gym. And then producers approach. So they opened that gym. Producers are casting the Biggest Loser. They go to Jackie Warner first, and she's like, I don't want to do that. I just opened this gym and then puts Gillian up for it.
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Heather McDonald
Who was her girlfriend.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yes.
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Heather McDonald
Okay. Okay, cool.
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Jessica Rothschild
And.
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Heather McDonald
But wasn't Gillian, which is kind of interesting because I interviewed her once. Wasn't Jillian. I thought the story was this. So this is interesting. I thought the story was Jillian was like an agent's assistant. She was an agent's assistant and then somehow heard about the show and was already in fitness and put herself up for it.
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Jessica Rothschild
No.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
But I might have the wrong story also. I'm just.
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Heather McDonald
But I'm not saying that Jillian told me that for some reason. That's what I remember. But don't.
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Jessica Rothschild
J.J. warner told me. So who are we believing? I mean, you can choose.
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Heather McDonald
It's not a bad story. Either one is fine. Either one is. So what? You still were a star on the show, Gillian. Like, you know, you still made the show. So go on. Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
So ultimately. So then of course, Jackie gets workout. Very successful, becomes like the go to fitness person in all the magazines, like Self. Like, she's on the COVID And whenever they need a quote from, like, an expert.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
They're going to her because she's the face of health and fitness. But then here's what happened. She went to sleep. She took an Ambien to go to sleep. And she. Remember when people were like, tweeting on Ambien and like, eating like crazy in the middle of the night.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah. Getting up in the morning, middle of the night and, like, driving.
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Jessica Rothschild
That's exactly what happened to her. And she drove to 711 in, like, her panties and, like, no shoes to, like, get chips. And they arrested her for a dui. Like, she. She didn't even do anything. She was, like, it looked intoxicated because you're, like, out of it. She was in a blackout. It was like an Ambien blackout. And dui, the mugshot, tmz.
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Heather McDonald
And is Ambien even still around? I feel like no one talks about Ambien anymore. Cause it was also like, the stories of, like, Tiger woods would take Ambien and be with his lovers.
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Jessica Rothschild
And isn't that what Roseanne blamed those tweets on?
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Heather McDonald
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So they arrest her for that. And also, that looks bad because you're buying chips.
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Jessica Rothschild
That's the least of her problems was the chips. So she said in our third interview, I finally got around to, like, so why did you go home to Ohio? You know, like, she left. She coincidentally left LA right before the pandemic.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
She. She's from Ohio, so her family is there.
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Heather McDonald
So the show had been off for a while, like 10 years, and she was still doing. Being a successful trainer.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yes.
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Heather McDonald
Took the Ambien, got arrested for that, and then left.
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Jessica Rothschild
Career killer. Yeah. Like, it all dried up. Like, the appearances, like, the jobs really dried up. Like, that's the worst thing maybe that could have happened.
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Heather McDonald
How did she feel about the role that the TV show played in her overall life and career? Was it all positive, negative?
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Jessica Rothschild
I think mostly all positive.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yeah, I think mostly all positive.
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Heather McDonald
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Jessica Rothschild
Yeah, so I was always into working out. And, like, I always went to the gym, and I would occasionally take spin classes at my gym and hated it, but I kept going back. I don't know why. I don't know why. I don't have an answer. And then a friend was like, my friend.
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Heather McDonald
But do you believe that working out can be an addiction?
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Jessica Rothschild
100%. It's called orthorexia.
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Heather McDonald
Oh, interesting.
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Jessica Rothschild
Whatever goes in has to come out. Yeah, well, not. Not in an eating disorder way. In, like, an exercise compulsion way. Oh, of course.
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Heather McDonald
Why? That sounds like the worst addiction. That old. Something I never.
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Jessica Rothschild
I think I have.
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Heather McDonald
Really? Do you think you might.
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Jessica Rothschild
Well, I think I'm very. I definitely have, like, addict compulsive energy, but luckily it manifests in, like, healthy things.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
Rather. I mean, I can be really impulsive.
- [24:31]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
But also that can be good too.
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Heather McDonald
Right.
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Jessica Rothschild
But it's not. I never was into, like, drinking or drugs, but I can, like, do this.
- [24:39]
Heather McDonald
Okay, so you're never into the spinning at your gym. And so then how did you. My.
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Jessica Rothschild
A friend of mine lived next to a studio. Now, like, cut to, like, we're in Manhattan.
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Heather McDonald
What year is this now?
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Jessica Rothschild
This was, like, 2011. Okay. So SoulCycle had opened, but it was just, like, one studio at first. And so what's interesting. I mean, the way SoulCycle was founded is, like, very juicy and interesting. And that's all. It's basically without, like, giving it. Without, like, telling the whole story. It's basically what happens when three women come together. You know how, like, three's a really bad number.
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Heather McDonald
I always remember my sister picking up her daughter from a playdate. And then she goes, oh, and we should. Next time, we should also include whatever.
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Jessica Rothschild
Little Jenny that's the beginning of the end.
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Heather McDonald
And the mom goes, I don't think threes work.
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Jessica Rothschild
Why'd she say that?
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Heather McDonald
The mom just said it. And it always just. And I was just. I was not a mom at the time. And my sister was like, why not? Like, everyone can, you know, the more the merrier. And they're all friends. And so it just stuck into my head. And it's not a rule I ever attested to. I've had lunches with Three people. It's fabulous. Like, whatever.
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Jessica Rothschild
You know what? It's like the White Lotus. Think of like the White Lotus.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah, that's so interesting. The White Lotus aspect.
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Jessica Rothschild
That is the perfect.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
Dramatization of this phenomenon that happens in female friendships. Like, I think it's the first episode of the White Lotus where like, you find them, like, talking shit about each other. And like, it's all like, great when they're together, but inevitably. And this is. Women gossip is the social lubricant of society. And women will always be talking about each other, even if they love. There's just a thing.
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Heather McDonald
No, I mean, that's why, I mean, look, I've o. I. I was always scared to walk to school, walk into a classroom and have somebody be like, I heard what you said about me. And before there were podcasts where now everybody just freely talks about each other and at least people can make money at it. But it is weird when you actually now, in this day and age can listen to your friend or a cohort. Cohort person. Someone who does what we do and hear them, like, tell some story about you and you're like, well, that's not even true. But I don't know if I want to address it. And then it becomes a big thing, whatever. And I'm like, this is so weird because it used to be that, yeah, everyone talked behind each other's backs, but we didn't know what they were saying unless you did the three way call, which you might have be too young for.
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Jessica Rothschild
Oh, I was not too. Of course. Where you could like, no, I didn't.
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Heather McDonald
Secretly have someone listen. I think they might have done it in the movie Mean Girls. But like, you could call and you'd be like, okay, shut up. Don't say a word. And then the girl would call another girl and they would. That girl would get the person to talk about the one who's on silent. And this would happen like in high school. And it was just. And weirdly enough, I don't really think that as we mature, you know, our priorities become our partners and our kids, if we're mothers or our careers or we just are like, oh, the petty stuff doesn't matter as much. But the reason Real Housewives is so popular is because essentially it is about women's friendships. That's all these shows are about, are women's friendships. And that's our sporting event is watching. Can these people be friends? Can they tell each other off who's right, who's wrong? And then they sit back and they're like, oh, but I love those two together. I'm like, you writing in the comments is what tore these two people apart or whatever. And then if we don't think it's authentic, then we're like, oh, well, they're just doing it for the show. And so getting back to your thing. So three women.
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Jessica Rothschild
So this is. I'm gonna give it to you in, like, a quick nutshell to, like, illustrate this. So the way Soul Cycle was founded. And this is just like, a taste of, like. This is, like the initial jumping off point, essentially, to, like, really boil it down. You have a woman who was a talent agent in la. She worked for Benny Medina.
- [28:57]
Heather McDonald
Oh, okay. So that's the person, JLo's big manager.
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Jessica Rothschild
So she understood how to turn celebrities into brands. Okay, so like, JLo, Tyra Banks, P. Diddy. Okay, so that's one of them. And so she understood la. She winds up moving back to New York. Another woman was successful. Her husband worked in finance. They had money. And then this third person was just a spin instructor teaching spin at a gym. And separately, the talent agent and the woman with money say to their spin instructor, they did not know each other. They separately say to the spin instructor, I have dreams of opening a spin studio because boutique spin didn't exist.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
Okay. And so the spin instructor is like, let's go to lunch. So they go to lunch at the Soho house. This is 2006.
- [29:52]
Heather McDonald
The three of them together. Or she does a lunch with each.
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Jessica Rothschild
No, no, no. She was. Let me introduce you.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
Because the one had money.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
They didn't have money.
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Heather McDonald
But the other, the talent agent, didn't have money.
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Jessica Rothschild
No.
- [30:02]
Heather McDonald
Okay, got it.
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Jessica Rothschild
Even though she was an agent.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah, yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
Story of la. So says the New York set, the New Yorker. So spin instructor goes, let's all go to the Soho House and, like, talk. Like, I think this other woman can, like, help us out. Like, she has the same dream and has money. Like, the point, like, she had money to throw into a startup. They go to the Soho House in, like, January of 2006. Four months later, they open the first soul cycle. A year later, the spin instructor is cut out of the deal.
- [30:38]
Heather McDonald
How does that happen?
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Jessica Rothschild
Because allegedly. And she wrote this in a book. It is true. She did not have legal protection in place.
- [30:54]
Heather McDonald
Oh, she never did, like, a contract with them.
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Jessica Rothschild
The contracts weren't written. Right. Or they were. Didn't exist. That's a little bit fuzzy. That part's a little like, why wouldn't you have your contract written like that's a question that like we may not know or that's an off the record thing. But essentially you have these two really savvy business women. You have a shark from LA who's a talent manager who knows how to build celebrities and build a brand and knows how to market. And you have this other woman who is really great at real estate and who has a husband in finance, understands money. And then you have a fitness instructor.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
She becomes the face of it. Like brings her clientele and her riders.
- [31:37]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
And so for the first year, they're all her riders from like the gym she had been teaching at. And the other two basically realized she didn't want to run the. She didn't know how to run a business.
- [31:51]
Heather McDonald
Right.
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Jessica Rothschild
She was a fitness. She was a spin instructor.
- [31:53]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [31:54]
Jessica Rothschild
And she. There was just like a personality clashing and just like what happens when like one doesn't fit in?
- [32:02]
Heather McDonald
So do they at least like give her a chunk of money and buy her out?
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Jessica Rothschild
Eventually what happens is they sell cut. Two years later they sell SoulCycle to Equinox and the two remain. How much the two remaining get 90 million each. Do you know how much this in.
- [32:25]
Heather McDonald
Two years Equinox bought this. It wasn't two.
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Jessica Rothschild
No. What it would. That happened in 2016.
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Heather McDonald
Well, five years.
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Jessica Rothschild
No, 10 years. 2006 to 2016.
- [32:35]
Heather McDonald
Okay. Still, that is kind of amazing. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
So they walk away with 90 million each. The Fit, the spin instructor who introduced them is long gone. She went on to co found Flywheel, but.
- [32:50]
Heather McDonald
Oh, the flywheel didn't last. Yeah, there was a Flywheel near my house.
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Jessica Rothschild
But do you know how much she got from.
- [32:59]
Heather McDonald
From which deal?
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Jessica Rothschild
From the Equinox buying Soul cycle.
- [33:02]
Heather McDonald
Let me guess, 500,000?
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Jessica Rothschild
Zero.
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Heather McDonald
Oh, yeah. And then where is she now? What happened with. Because Flywheel's not around.
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Jessica Rothschild
Well, she went on. I mean she. So her. She definitely is a success. She co founded the two most successful indoor cycling companies.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
Period. They. That they sold Flywheel. I mean, eventually went out of business. But I think she made her money with Flywheel. And she was also older. Like she was. Her kids were like in high school, whereas the other two, they had like five month old babies. So there is that different. There is. You can imagine, it's a different life.
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Heather McDonald
It is like I feel like. And then didn't something recently happen politically with like Peloton?
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Jessica Rothschild
I don't know about that. Politically.
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Heather McDonald
I feel like there was a peloton. Something happened with like Theo Vaughn and Peloton and Like Dana White or something.
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Jessica Rothschild
I don't know about that.
- [34:07]
Heather McDonald
And then Dana White was like, take peloton out of all of my gyms.
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Jessica Rothschild
Oh, I don't know.
- [34:13]
Heather McDonald
And so I just put her, like, are people, like, on the bikes like they used to be? Is the bike as a thing kind of like, not as people are not as, like, into it?
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Jessica Rothschild
Well, in the pandemic, it was huge. In the pandemic, Peloton, like, ran.
- [34:29]
Heather McDonald
You could do the walking peloton, you could do the ride bike. And they'd have, like, the videos of, like, how you could, like, you know, go through a field in Tuscany or something.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yes.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah, yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
But, like, that's the kickoff. But your question, are people still on the bike? Isn't it not what it was. It's not in the. The heyday of Soul cycle was, like, 20. It read the apex of its popularity was, I would say, 2012 to 2018.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
Especially in New York. I mean, it was very big here in la, too. But in New York, a lot of. I mean, those instructors, it was like the Real Housewives of Soul Cycle. They were in Page Six. They were.
- [35:16]
Heather McDonald
But how much could, like, a Soul Cycle instructor get? Were they able to, like, live in the city while instructing, or were they only getting, like 100 bucks a ride?
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Jessica Rothschild
No, the top instructors were making over a million dollars a year.
- [35:28]
Heather McDonald
How would they make a million dollars a year?
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Jessica Rothschild
Because they sold out those classes. They. The two women. The two. The. The ones who stayed, they understood how to. The reason Soul Cycle was so successful was because they wanted to make it so that SoulCycle was their career.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
That's unlike. So in the different. The New York vs LA. At the time was in LA, you, like, the trainer, the fitness professional would be teaching at Gold's Gym. They'd have private clients, they'd be driving all around. And then by the time they got to your five o' clock class, they're, like, exhausted because they've been running around. And so the main concept behind SoulCycle was we're going to invest in our talent. And they always said, this is not a fitness business. It's a hospitality and talent business. I never saw it as a fitness business.
- [36:28]
Heather McDonald
I remember, like, there was really good, like, SNL sketches about it and like, you know, with the. And so.
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Jessica Rothschild
So they made superstar. They made superstars out of these regular people riding a bike.
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Heather McDonald
See homedepot.com delivery for more details. And this is really kind of before social media. So like where. What other deals could they get? Like where does the culty part of it come about?
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Jessica Rothschild
Cult of personality.
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Heather McDonald
Oh, okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yeah. The relationships between the writers and the instructors would they were so a big thing that's been gate kept so back cut to me like beginning I my story is like my so I'm very much like I'm telling my story.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
It's, it's you're hearing like my story with this and also the company story like what I just explained with the three women. So you want. You'll hear like how I like get sucked in. Like how I get hooked and I loved it. Like no complaints. I love a cult. Like I love it like so I'm not. This isn't like a negative like I had a hundred, 100% positive experience.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
Which is why I'm the perfect person to like tell this. I don't have an ax to grind. I'm just telling the truth and making it very entertaining.
- [39:17]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
So something so when I was I used to say to friends I want to, I would joke that I wanted to like go through the instructor training program. Like become a Soul Cycle instructor.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
Not because I wanted to teach Soul Cycle, but Because I was so fascinated by the training program because it was known, it was a thing in New York City that it was like this, like, eight week program that they would do in house at SoulCycle. And it's like, what the fuck are they talking about?
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Heather McDonald
So what would they do? What would they say?
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Jessica Rothschild
They would teach them. And this is what you hear. Instructors, like, take me through the training program and like, it's. They were taught how to seduce the riders.
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Heather McDonald
I don't get it.
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Jessica Rothschild
No, In a sense of how to get. For example, Heather. Right.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
How to make it so you're in a. You're taking a random. It's your first time or whatever. Or like, you've gone a few times.
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Heather McDonald
Okay. I bought the bike.
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Jessica Rothschild
I'm the instructor.
- [40:23]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
So there's a part. So they have their candles. Like, it's dark and it's candlelit and everyone is sweating. It's sexual. You're, like, fucking the bike for like, 45 minutes. Okay.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
And then there's a moment. There's a moment toward the end. And, like, the first three songs are all about seduction. Like, my voice is gonna be really slow and very deliberate and soft. And the songs are like. I can't think of, like, a good example, but, like, maybe like some. For some reason. I want to say Usher, but, like, not. Yeah, like a good Rihanna song that's like a slower song that's, like, easier to ride to.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
And you're all riding to the rhythm, so it's like you're dancing.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
It's like soul cycles for people. For people who can't dance.
- [41:11]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
And it makes you feel like, okay.
- [41:15]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
And the instructors are cast. Like, they used to lay out headshots. Like, the cast. The talent agent, she would lay out headshots and be like, who's going to work really well on, like, the Upper east side versus who's going to work really well in the West Village. Two different clientele. And she understood how to cast it, how the. How to change the clothes, what they should do to their hair. Like, she knew how to turn these.
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Heather McDonald
So, Drew, how is this never a reality show? They must have been approached so.
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Jessica Rothschild
Been told this. They've tried to do that. They tried to do a reality show with the instructors. Couldn't get done. I was told that I've had this idea for a very long time, and because I knew this. So interesting.
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Heather McDonald
Okay. How are. What is this life like for, like, people's knees as they get older?
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Jessica Rothschild
We're talking hip replacements. We're Talking like a lot of the instructors. That's a whole other conversation.
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Heather McDonald
Right. It's not the whole other. Like, how long can you be this like sexy instructor?
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Jessica Rothschild
Like, well, eventually, eventually they teach off the bike. They teach from the floor. The old ones, let's not say that.
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Unknown
But.
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Jessica Rothschild
You can have a very long career teaching from the floor.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Jessica Rothschild
Like a yoga instructor is like walking around.
- [42:39]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
And then they have like a young hot one on the bike.
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Heather McDonald
Okay. And you could teach forever. So where is some. Tell us some of the salacious stuff that we can look forward to.
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Jessica Rothschild
So, I mean, I, for me personally, I find the details of the training program to be. That's the thing that years ago I was so obsessed with, like, what is going on.
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Heather McDonald
At least with these people though, they were making good money.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yes.
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Heather McDonald
So no one felt that's not an.
- [43:10]
Jessica Rothschild
Element of this until they sold to Equinox.
- [43:14]
Heather McDonald
Oh.
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Jessica Rothschild
Then the founders, the two when they say we're zeroing in on like the spin instructor gets fucked. She's out.
- [43:22]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
So the two who are known to be like the beloved heroes, Julie Rice and Elizabeth Cutler, they are known as the founders. Even though there is this secret third co founder, whatever. They are beloved. Beloved. And they eventually. There was kind of a culture war between SoulCycle and Equinox. Equinox is a behemoth and very different politics. There was a culture war between the two. And that was when they left and sold for $90 million. Equinox takes over and now you've got that corporate trickle down their pay. They're no longer being paid what they were. Like, I have stories of instructors saying how by the time they left, they were making less than half of what they were making at their height. People had their pay structures changed like four times. Like the way Equinox run. They just weren't compatible. It wasn't compatible. It went from this small homegrown company that was about. That was also, by the way, very gay. The company. Like, they're all performers and dancers and actors. Like, these are why they were so charismatic and why they could. Like, they knew how to perform.
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Heather McDonald
And were there soul cycles like all over America popping up? And could you. Were they ever franchised? Like, could I have opened one? That's.
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Jessica Rothschild
That was why they sold to eat. That they had an initial partnership with Equinox to bring them to la. Because eventually there's this weird thing with entrepreneurship or with like. Yeah, with entrepreneurship. Where in my research for this, there comes a point where suddenly you need like $100 million, like for in order to grow, you need like an enormous influx of cash. So they did this initial partnership with Equinox and that's how they were able to open like la. And then there were studios like Beverly Hills, like all over la. And then Equinox wanted it on like every, it went from being like the restaurant you couldn't get into to like Applebee's. So yeah, they were. Once you're in Michigan, I mean, with all due respect, but like, once you're in like the suburbs of Virginia, it's no long. It lost that exclude. There was an exclusivity factor and like celebrity. If you want the Kelly Ripa.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah, yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
Like, it, it became known like, like, how did you.
- [45:59]
Heather McDonald
But like, when you say it was sell it out, how was it, like, impossible to get in? Oh, you have to like, like how would you sign up? Would then would some people be like a VIP and they could get in or what was it?
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Jessica Rothschild
So you, you would have like your regular and, and they also. SoulCycle. Also they invented the paper class model.
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Heather McDonald
What's that?
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Jessica Rothschild
Like, you literally pay like $34 per class. You can't, like, there's no membership.
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Heather McDonald
Got it.
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Jessica Rothschild
You can buy like a 10 pack and like, maybe you're saving $2, but like, okay, it's a paper class model. So very early on, Kelly Ripa and I, I, I credit Kelly Ripa and I think they would too. Kelly Ripa was the first person on who like, learned how to television show talking about Soul Cycle and her favorite instructor. Every day she would have the bikes at Live. You know, the live. Live with, I guess, who was it? Kelly and whoever.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
Regis, Michael, whoever the people are. And she was really responsible for, I mean, the power of television. Like, it, yeah, it became this like, cultural awareness. And even in the early days, it.
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Heather McDonald
Would like Brooke Shoeless, she really is a spinner. She's a spinner.
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Jessica Rothschild
She's a spinner. She's a spinner.
- [47:16]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
But yeah, like, it was always known to be this like, celebrity. That cloud of like Chelsea Clinton was always riding and Brooke Shields, Kelly Ripa, Tiki Barber.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Jessica Rothschild
All these. Kira Sedgwick, like, all these people in New York, just like New York. Katie Couric was a big one too.
- [47:35]
Heather McDonald
Wow.
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Jessica Rothschild
So people just want to be where they are.
- [47:38]
Heather McDonald
Yeah, they'd be next to be spinning next to them.
- [47:40]
Jessica Rothschild
Exactly.
- [47:41]
Heather McDonald
And then we're like.
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Jessica Rothschild
And yes, you could. What you said before about could you pay more? Yes. So the, the other side of it is the writers or all these, like, imagine like, oh, you know who's banned from Soul Cycle? Sonia Morgan. That gets revealed.
- [47:58]
Heather McDonald
Why? What happened?
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Jessica Rothschild
Because she was. She was making out with her boyfriend in the front row and, like, talking really loudly during class.
- [48:06]
Heather McDonald
Are you before class or as the.
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Jessica Rothschild
Class is going during class? I don't know.
- [48:10]
Heather McDonald
On the bikes they were making out.
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Jessica Rothschild
Yes.
- [48:13]
Heather McDonald
How can you reach over? How can you even fit?
- [48:15]
Jessica Rothschild
No, you're very close together. The bikes are.
- [48:18]
Heather McDonald
They're, like, doing it. And she stops pedaling to make out.
- [48:20]
Jessica Rothschild
I wasn't there, but the instructor told me.
- [48:22]
Heather McDonald
So this is Pre Housewives, or you don't know?
- [48:25]
Jessica Rothschild
No, no, no, no. This is Housewives. Housewives is happening. And so the studio manager, like, went over and was like, hey, we. You know, after the class was like, hey, listen, like, if you're in the front row, like, no talking. Like, we're trying to, like, really, like, follow what's going on in the class. And she pulled it like, do you know who I am? And threw a huge. And then she was banned.
- [48:44]
Heather McDonald
She's banned from that other restaurant.
- [48:46]
Jessica Rothschild
I know about that.
- [48:46]
Heather McDonald
What's the name of the restaurant? I can't remember.
- [48:48]
Jessica Rothschild
Oh, it's in. It's in NoHo, which is an area of New York. Yeah.
- [48:52]
Heather McDonald
And then the next week, I talked about this, but I got a little more info. Allegedly, she threw some fit at a restaurant. She said she was helping some elderly woman at a restaurant who was not feeling well. And then the ambulance came, and then she was allegedly acting so bizarre and weird that they were like, either you come in the ambulance with us or we're gonna have to call the police. So the story is then she just went in the ambulance, which sometimes can happen. Like, either you're at. You know, and then you have to pay for that, you know.
- [49:31]
Jessica Rothschild
Yeah.
- [49:31]
Heather McDonald
Ambulance ride and everything. But at least you're not, like, don't have a mug shot for being like. You can just say, well, you know, like, why are you acting so weird? I don't know. I better just go to the hospital. Versus, like, being crazy and then having that thing on your record. But yeah, so. But, you know, she's a good time. So she gets banned. That's.
- [49:53]
Jessica Rothschild
She was banned. I mean, there were all these, like, it. It truly. It was like the Real Housewives.
- [49:59]
Heather McDonald
How did you. Sorry. The so real. How could you then get. So that you would get in the class?
- [50:05]
Jessica Rothschild
Like, you, like a priority.
- [50:06]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [50:06]
Jessica Rothschild
So the classes would all. I mean, this is to this day.
- [50:09]
Heather McDonald
How many were in each class?
- [50:12]
Jessica Rothschild
Isn't it small on average? On average, we'll say 50 bikes.
- [50:16]
Heather McDonald
I mean, and everyone's sweating and it's hot in there. Does this fucking smell like ass or what? Or the candles smell good and is the candle's kind of a fire hazard?
- [50:26]
Jessica Rothschild
You're making a lot of points.
- [50:30]
Heather McDonald
Hence why I never got into it. Did you have to buy special shoes?
- [50:35]
Jessica Rothschild
You have to. You clip into the bike.
- [50:37]
Heather McDonald
Okay. All right. And so, like, I hate all this. I like, I. Yeah. Whenever someone tried to get me into it and just say how fun things were, like, I just.
- [50:50]
Jessica Rothschild
I mean, it had this. It became. Because you know. You know what it was when I. When I was. I used to, like. I don't fucking get it. When I was. Here's. Here's the thing. Because I was really into fitness, I would actually work because you remember when. When you asked me something hilarious.
- [51:08]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [51:08]
Jessica Rothschild
On the phone, sent you the trailer. Here's a little behind the peek behind the curtain. I send Heather the trailer. We get on the phone, and you're like, I gotta ask you a question. I have friends who spin. Why do these women who spin not lose weight? And that's a great question because it raises the question of. Is this a good workout?
- [51:28]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [51:30]
Jessica Rothschild
And the answer is when you're just doing cardio.
- [51:38]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [51:38]
Jessica Rothschild
If you are only doing cardio, your body adapt. Gets first. It spikes a lot of cortisol, which is like the stress hormone. So your body is like, constantly in, like, a fight or flight situation. And if you're not, cardio doesn't change your body. It just like, burns sugar and like, burns fat.
- [52:02]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [52:02]
Jessica Rothschild
And your body adapts to the. It become. You become a slave to that level of cardio.
- [52:09]
Heather McDonald
Oh, really? So, God, I mean, have I made some right choices in my life?
- [52:14]
Jessica Rothschild
You have. You have. Because what I. Because what I've learned is the seat. The actual true secret to being fit, to. To being fit is you absolutely need to lift weights. That's the thing that transforms the way you look.
- [52:29]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [52:30]
Jessica Rothschild
But you actually want to do the minimum amount of cardio. You need to stay where you are because you don't want to be a slave to it.
- [52:41]
Heather McDonald
Right.
- [52:41]
Jessica Rothschild
Because then you're constantly chasing that. You're like circling the drain. It's like.
- [52:46]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [52:47]
Jessica Rothschild
It becomes a vicious cycle of like, oh, my God, I gotta. I gotta run off the. Like, who wants. So if you're just like walking and also spinning, because it's so high intensity, it spikes your hunger. So a lot of people who just do high intensity cardio, they eat way more than you eat. If you were to, like, lift weights or quite frankly, not work out at all, like, just go for a walk.
- [53:12]
Heather McDonald
Right.
- [53:12]
Jessica Rothschild
It wouldn't spike your hunger. So you have to know that delicate. If you get addicted to spin, like, it's. Your body isn't gonna look the way. It's not gonna transform your body.
- [53:27]
Heather McDonald
So did anybody start to, like, realize that after, like, losing three years of their life to. In this smelly room.
- [53:33]
Jessica Rothschild
Oh, that.
- [53:33]
Heather McDonald
Did anyone, like, start to, like.
- [53:35]
Jessica Rothschild
No one really talks about.
- [53:36]
Heather McDonald
Oh, my God. I never really lost weight. I never really got fit. Like, I actually stayed the same amount.
- [53:41]
Jessica Rothschild
You know, Instructors I talked to told me if Soul Cycle. Former Soul Cycle instructors told me that they actually gained weight teaching at.
- [53:51]
Heather McDonald
What a nightmare.
- [53:55]
Jessica Rothschild
Because they. They didn't have time to, like, take other. Like, they were teaching, like, 12, 16 classes a week.
- [54:01]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [54:02]
Jessica Rothschild
They didn't have time to, like, go to Barry's Boot Camp and, like, lift weights or go to the gym. There was no time. And they were starving.
- [54:07]
Heather McDonald
And did people. They were starving. Oh, yeah.
- [54:09]
Jessica Rothschild
Well, they were hungry. Like, there was just. How many, like, shakes can you just. Because they're running around. And there was no time to really, like, take care of yourself.
- [54:16]
Heather McDonald
And then. And then were people then, like, their trainers.
- [54:20]
Jessica Rothschild
Oh, my God.
- [54:21]
Heather McDonald
Spinners and.
- [54:22]
Jessica Rothschild
Oh, yeah. Yes.
- [54:24]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [54:26]
Jessica Rothschild
Yes.
- [54:26]
Heather McDonald
And then. Does that get you kicked out?
- [54:28]
Jessica Rothschild
No, that's celebrated kind of.
- [54:29]
Heather McDonald
Oh, really?
- [54:30]
Jessica Rothschild
A little bit. The bad behavior.
- [54:32]
Heather McDonald
Was there ever, like, someone knowing, like, was there some housewife that was like, a straight trainer who that. Oh, you know. And then. No.
- [54:39]
Jessica Rothschild
A woman was served divorce papers on her handlebars because she was her soul cycle instructor.
- [54:45]
Heather McDonald
And the guy.
- [54:45]
Jessica Rothschild
That's a legendary story.
- [54:46]
Heather McDonald
And the guy. And this. Oh, my God.
- [54:49]
Jessica Rothschild
Can you imagine? She was served, divorce papers on the handlebars clipped in.
- [54:56]
Heather McDonald
Did she finish the class? Her feet were clipped in.
- [54:59]
Jessica Rothschild
Yeah.
- [55:00]
Heather McDonald
Did you finish the class?
- [55:01]
Jessica Rothschild
Let's say yes. And for this.
- [55:03]
Heather McDonald
Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, okay. Well, everybody can listen to it.
- [55:10]
Jessica Rothschild
I mean, it's juicy if I don't know. I mean, I want to.
- [55:14]
Heather McDonald
Yeah, we're listening to it. I wanted to talk a little. This is from the Real Housewife Zone. You know, let's talk a little bit about. Since you are a New Yorker, give the. Give the people some Bravo juice.
- [55:25]
Jessica Rothschild
Yeah.
- [55:26]
Heather McDonald
Real Housewives of New York had two seasons with this brand new cast. And then there was talk that it was being canceled. Then Andy goes, it's not being canceled. I don't know where that's coming from. We are actively talking to ten different women who. To join the cast. I don't know if that means, you know, of that it's going to be a brand new cast of seven. If they're going to keep one or two, what that means. But he definitely was saying, like, New York is not dead and buried as we know it. So what is your thoughts, Scoop? Theories?
- [56:01]
Jessica Rothschild
I. I mean, I've been shouting from the rooftops, what's the thing that now everybody says, which is that they should move Lindsay Hubbard over from Summer House. From Summer House. Summer. Summer House.
- [56:11]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [56:12]
Jessica Rothschild
I love, I'm a. I've always loved Summer House. That. I mean, I love Vanderpump too, but Summer House, I. Cause it's the Hamptons, it's New York. Like, I've always loved that show. And I think if they moved Lindsay and Paige, I mean, actually, here's my theory. I think if I were, if I was producing it, I would move Lindsay, Paige and Amanda over and she would never do it. I would also throw Hannah Burner in there because that's the only way that there can be resolution in that friendship. You know, the Paige, Amanda, Hannah Burner.
- [56:50]
Heather McDonald
But then where does that leave Summerhouse? Just get all new, younger people, Summerhouse. It should be a young thing. I mean, it should be for. It should be what it is like in your, you know, 25 to 35, you share a house in Summer House. It should be like, it should be newer, newer people. It shouldn't be married couples. It shouldn't be people having kids. It should be, you know, I think.
- [57:11]
Jessica Rothschild
You can keep, I think totally keep the people like Sierra, of course, like west and Jessie and.
- [57:19]
Heather McDonald
But graduate the other people out and.
- [57:22]
Jessica Rothschild
Maybe Kyle and Amanda can still do it. But I think there's a blending that could certainly work.
- [57:29]
Heather McDonald
You know, I just, I think like, you know, with Hannah and Paige, they're so successful doing their own thing. But then I also think people get burnt out on this too, on the podcasting, the touring and stuff. And so I would say if the opportunity came up and they were to ask me my opinion, maybe not Hannah, but certainly Paige, I think it could be a really fun, different thing to keep her going and she could still do her thing with Hannah and to just keep. To just keep doing it because you've already put it all out there anyway. So it's not like a big. That's what I was saying when I was interviewing these two really young people that were on Vanderpump Villa, which is on Hulu. I was like, now there was A time when I would interview the original Vanderpump kids, and they were like, you know, we were scared to. To take the leap and be on this show. They had to really be convinced because they were all trying to be actors. And at that time, their agents were like, if you go on a reality show, then no one's going to take you seriously when you come in for a casting on a sitcom or a drama or whatever. Now I feel like the industry is so weird that it's a great move to go beyond a reality show. You're already putting your life out there on Snapchat and TikTok and everything, and they don't care. There's no shame. No one cares about what your body count is or who. Your only fans, whatever. So you might as well just like, you know what I mean? Like the kids on Below Deck, I'm always like, I can't believe there's, like, cameras in those tiny rooms and we're actually, like, seeing you guys fuck. Like, and you're still having to, like, make pancakes in the morning. Like, what is this? Why don't you just be a full porn star? Like, I. I'm sometimes confused.
- [59:22]
Jessica Rothschild
Let me ask you a question.
- [59:23]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [59:23]
Jessica Rothschild
Okay. Who would you. If you were producing?
- [59:27]
Heather McDonald
How.
- [59:27]
Jessica Rothschild
Okay, I gave you my, like, dream scenario.
- [59:29]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [59:30]
Jessica Rothschild
What would you do if you were producing and casting?
- [59:34]
Heather McDonald
Well, I love the idea of, like, graduating a few people over, like, Lindsay and Paige. I think that would really be good. And Amanda, you know, but then I guess she still has to deal with her husband. I don't know. I don't. I'm not totally keyed into the summer house, so I know it's super popular and I. But I know all the players.
- [59:55]
Jessica Rothschild
Who would you. Who would you keep? I know it's tough.
- [59:59]
Heather McDonald
It really is. Definitely not Jenna Lyons. Sorry. I'm sorry.
- [60:07]
Jessica Rothschild
Can I tell you something? I think I'm responsible for getting her cat.
- [60:12]
Heather McDonald
Why? Tell me.
- [60:13]
Jessica Rothschild
It's too long of a story.
- [60:14]
Heather McDonald
I just didn't understand when she came and the. The fandom over it. I. It was the same thing in the Phantom over Soul cycle. I was just like, I don't get why everyone's, like, losing their. Over the.
- [60:26]
Jessica Rothschild
I was the one losing the.
- [60:28]
Heather McDonald
Why. What is so amazing?
- [60:30]
Jessica Rothschild
It doesn't translate. She's not made for real.
- [60:33]
Heather McDonald
She. I just didn't think there was anything that, like, she didn't. She wasn't. I mean, I think she's, like a fine person. You know, that's the thing. All of them. Nobody except for Maybe Bryn was really annoying. I didn't feel like anybody was annoying. I don't feel like anybody's an unintelligent person or anything. Just they weren't like silly or fun to watch at all. They just weren't. And they didn't have a history. They were cast. And then you come into something this many years in and like you're kind of put making a bigger deal out of something or the producers might be pushing you.
- [61:10]
Jessica Rothschild
They almost need to find people. You almost need to get like 70 year olds who have like never seen Housewives. You need to. Who is the person who isn't self producing and doesn't know how to use Instagram and hasn't been watching 20 years of re of like who is that person? It's like you have to go, I.
- [61:34]
Heather McDonald
Don'T even know how you do it.
- [61:35]
Jessica Rothschild
You know, that's why I'm saying it's like the Valley.
- [61:37]
Heather McDonald
You know, I watched the Valid, I like it. But after a while like you are just watching people like break up and get divorced and sometimes it's a little too dark and a little too sad and a little too real. I don't know. But I mean I'll still watch it. I don't like Jessel and her husband trying to be funny all the time so she can go, sorry, uba. Super annoying in my opinion. Totally annoying. Oh, I'm the prettiest, I'm the best. I'm the greatest darling I that you know, like that was too much. That wasn't funny.
- [62:11]
Jessica Rothschild
We watched two seasons of her and we know nothing about her. I don't know why is she, why, why did they cast her?
- [62:21]
Heather McDonald
Just cuz she's pretty and like we know nothing.
- [62:23]
Jessica Rothschild
Terrible.
- [62:24]
Heather McDonald
Okay, she was terrible. Sigh again. A cool chick. I interviewed her but like not particularly funny or anything on camera, just like not, not popping. I mean when you think about what made Real Housewives of New York the original so great is because we had been watching reality TV for 15 years. They were women who were stars in their own mind. They did lead an exceptional lifestyle that's unique to being in New York. If you could make it here, you could make it anywhere. New York is unique. You have to be a badass. You have to either have come from nothing and made it or come from something and you're still making it. Like that's what we wanted to see as we as people who don't live there. So you can't have people just like moving there and doing nothing or being like Leah McSweeney who, again, there was, you know, nothing really interesting. She wasn't wealthy. Like, I just. So I don't know who to cast.
- [63:26]
Jessica Rothschild
Like, the reason why the original New York cast worked was because they were.
- [63:31]
Heather McDonald
All characters and they all knew each other. Jill put them all together.
- [63:36]
Jessica Rothschild
They were like, jill's a character.
- [63:38]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [63:39]
Jessica Rothschild
Luann is a character. Ramona is a Bethany character. And the other ingredient is each of those people. I mean, don't forget Alex McCord is. They all have a level of delusion.
- [63:52]
Heather McDonald
Right. It has. You have to be. That's what I'm saying.
- [63:54]
Jessica Rothschild
These are just like my neighbor.
- [63:57]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [63:57]
Jessica Rothschild
You know what I mean?
- [63:58]
Heather McDonald
Oh. The other thing I think that killed it is they all were. You know, everyone has to be on social media. I get it. But if I was a producer, I would say you're not doing your content. Like, you're not. What do you call it? Moonlighting. You're not going to moonlight when you're filming. When you're filming, you're not taking video of your outfits or any of that stuff. When you guys are on camera. If you want, we can have someone take some photos of your outfit at the end. But, like, give us your phone. Check it every hour. Like, it's the phone thing that made. That was so weird.
- [64:36]
Jessica Rothschild
Oh, my God. It, like, levitated.
- [64:38]
Heather McDonald
Yeah. It's like sliding. Like, my phone. My drink was falling anyway. Yeah. I think that's a big part. And like, I don't. And doing. Following the lifestyle of a social media brand person, it's not interesting.
- [64:53]
Jessica Rothschild
Zero.
- [64:53]
Heather McDonald
It's not. Okay, here. Okay. You gotta take three things of this and do the ad and. Okay, whatever. It's just not that juicy. It's not like being on a movie set.
- [65:04]
Jessica Rothschild
What do you think is the future of Andy?
- [65:07]
Heather McDonald
Well, I don't think anybody wants to see someone else take over the reunions. And, you know, the way he does his thing is special. They at one time. Remember, they had Nicki Minaj do one.
- [65:21]
Jessica Rothschild
Potomac.
- [65:22]
Heather McDonald
Potomac. I think they were, like, testing out. Like, could we have other people do it? So I think we still need him to do that. Watch what happens live is still fun. I get that they get bigger stars, and I think that's great for the show. But I remember seeing that those were the ones that actually don't do that well.
- [65:41]
Jessica Rothschild
Oh, I know. It's all the housewives who do that.
- [65:42]
Heather McDonald
Yeah. But I also think the influx of all the after shows, like, there's after shows of every show, and then everyone has a podcast. So I Don't think like watch what happens live is as valuable as it was in like, oh my God, we've got the two people sitting here after they're seeing the episode for the first time. How do they feel about it?
- [66:05]
Jessica Rothschild
They've already filmed that after show a month ago.
- [66:07]
Heather McDonald
And then they put them in the positions of asking the really mean snarky things like Joe Schmo from Beaver Creek, you know, Ireland says, why does your face look so different? What kind of work did you have done? Like the. Me like to get the snarky stuff out. And then it's always like, well, you'll see in the show. I don't know. Yeah, so.
- [66:29]
Jessica Rothschild
And then. So what's the future of it?
- [66:31]
Heather McDonald
I don't know. I don't know. I think they do a really good job. I. When I catch it, I like it, but I just. Yeah, I think that he should just stay on the shows maybe.
- [66:44]
Jessica Rothschild
I feel like just do the.
- [66:46]
Heather McDonald
Just do the tv.
- [66:46]
Jessica Rothschild
Remember how like they. There was that rumor of like there was an announcement that there was an announcement coming which never came right in.
- [66:53]
Heather McDonald
April, which I had heard and I talked about it. I said I don't believe that he would ever step down voluntarily and I don't believe they would get rid of him and replace him with who? The, the guy that's the, you know, that said the shitty stuff about Shannon Beador on Love Hotel. I'm like, like no, we don't need a 30 year old that has no life experience talking to these women. So I, I don't think there's anyone that we'd want. So unless there was something horrible salacious in which there was one of these things like we're gonna do a mutual goodbye. I don't think he would not do it. Dad or not. You can adjust it so like everything's done in three days and you're home by six.
- [67:33]
Jessica Rothschild
I think the only. I think if there's an. The rumor I heard literally last night at dinner was the announcement because like they didn't want to be scooped is.
- [67:43]
Heather McDonald
That they're juicy scooped like I did.
- [67:45]
Jessica Rothschild
I guess. Yeah, they. They're going to. It's now going to something maybe announced at Bravo Con. We'll see if that happens. But I truly think that the, the only sort of announcement would be that he's no longer going to be the executive producer.
- [67:57]
Heather McDonald
Why would. I don't believe that really. Why? The. The only announcements that are going to have at BravoCon have to be positive. Do you imagine telling a group trouble Women. And by the way, we have a big announcement next Bravo Con. I won't be here. Like, no. No way. It won't be anything negative if there is a. I feel like the announcement was all the shakeups of the shows. Maybe. Maybe there wasn't anything big. I don't think he's going anywhere. I think he's going to continue to do, you know, these things, but maybe he'll scale back in other ways or something. I don't know.
- [68:32]
Jessica Rothschild
He said on the radio last week.
- [68:35]
Heather McDonald
That maybe he won't do reunions, so that would be a bummer.
- [68:40]
Jessica Rothschild
And then they'll bring in Joel Kombuster to host the reunion.
- [68:42]
Heather McDonald
No, no. That would suck to. You know. Yeah.
- [68:49]
Jessica Rothschild
I think I'm the only person on earth who hates all reunions, don't I? I. I know that I'm in the minority. I know people only watch them.
- [68:56]
Heather McDonald
They definitely get dragged out too long, especially when the season didn't really have that much going on and so much gets resolved, like, is sort of resolved by the time they get there.
- [69:05]
Jessica Rothschild
Like.
- [69:06]
Heather McDonald
Like the only thing juicy out of Beverly Hills is that Garcelle quit. Like, that was it. Like, there was nothing else that came out of there. That was like an awe moment. We still didn't know if. Oh. What. So what do you think as a. A lesbian? What. What do you think of Kyle? I go back and forth every day. Not every day. Probably every week. Um, I know that her daughter had an engagement party. I saw a photo of her with some other housewives. I don't know if Morgan Wade went. I don't know what's going on there. What do you think?
- [69:37]
Jessica Rothschild
I think she confirmed that they had. Or that she.
- [69:42]
Heather McDonald
She never confirmed anything.
- [69:43]
Jessica Rothschild
She never.
- [69:43]
Heather McDonald
She has never said. Kyle has never said. I, you know, Morgan and I were more than friends. And who knows if we'll be more than that later. She has never said that. She's hinted over. There was a reunion two years ago. She has. Who knows? Maybe Morgan will be sitting next to me next year. Hint. She then says, Morgan doesn't want to be part of anything. Then the last one was I had to talk to my daughters about what was being said. But she still never said. And you know, like, Kathy's laughing. She still never said, I have been with a woman and I like it.
- [70:21]
Jessica Rothschild
You know what it is?
- [70:22]
Heather McDonald
What is it?
- [70:23]
Jessica Rothschild
Their relationship is unstable, so she can't con the. It's clear that if she's not confirming anything, it's because their actual relationship or friend, whatever the situation. The relationship just in, like, this really, you know, just a relation. The relationship is probably a bit up and down and not in any kind of solid. We're friends or it's probably this weird gray area. So what is there really to say?
- [70:53]
Heather McDonald
Right. Yeah.
- [70:55]
Jessica Rothschild
Very common with women.
- [70:56]
Heather McDonald
I. I don't really think they're romantic in a romantic thing anymore, in my personal opinion. I don't. I think they did have something.
- [71:05]
Jessica Rothschild
Are they still dressing like Wayne's World?
- [71:07]
Heather McDonald
No. And I think they're just kind of friends and, you know, like. And do you so, like Julie Goleman, who is a lesbian? I. I was like, do. Can lesbians stay friends after they break up? It seems like gay men can. Can women? I mean, obviously. These are general statements.
- [71:28]
Jessica Rothschild
Generally speaking, every lesbian's, like, best. Her crew of three best friends are her exes.
- [71:36]
Heather McDonald
Okay. So it can happen.
- [71:37]
Jessica Rothschild
No, that's, like, usually the way it works.
- [71:39]
Heather McDonald
Oh, I thought it was the opposite.
- [71:41]
Jessica Rothschild
No. And in fact, one of my really good friends, like, over in January, she's like, I have to tell you, like, we're getting divorced. What if she and her wife, they're already, like, on Instagram. It's kind of nuts to watch, like, besties. My sister wife. I'm like, this is embarrassing. Stop.
- [72:00]
Heather McDonald
She's calling her ex wife now. Her sister wife?
- [72:02]
Jessica Rothschild
Yeah. Something like, I'll show you after. It's weird. Well, at least she's not watching, but yes.
- [72:08]
Heather McDonald
Okay. Does Aaron stay?
- [72:12]
Jessica Rothschild
I think Erin's great. Aaron gives me that. The Jewish New Yorker. Like, she's. That influx of, like, the Jill Zarin, Bethany. She feels familiar.
- [72:23]
Heather McDonald
I just felt like I still watched it. I liked their outfits. I love a New York background. They're all very gorgeous. I just. It felt like sometimes when I watch these shows, it is work because I talk about them. But, I mean, I'd be falling asleep. I couldn't get through it. I think I just kind of. My guess would be that actually none of them are going to come back.
- [72:49]
Jessica Rothschild
The reason I react that way, and.
- [72:51]
Heather McDonald
I'm not saying I want it to, I'm just. I have a feeling.
- [72:53]
Jessica Rothschild
So the reason why I react that way, like, sort of, like, surprise, is because that would be Bravo admitting that it failed.
- [73:03]
Heather McDonald
Right.
- [73:03]
Jessica Rothschild
And they were clinging to the idea of, like, it working. Unless they're. Unless, like, maybe they can be cool and be like, the audience was right. It didn't work. We're gonna try again. But, like, like, can they. Can they do that? That's so.
- [73:17]
Heather McDonald
Okay. If they keep two Yep. I think it'll just be Aaron and Sai.
- [73:22]
Jessica Rothschild
I I. Okay, my guess, if they keep two, it's gonna be Aaron and Jessel.
- [73:26]
Heather McDonald
Okay. Definitely.
- [73:28]
Jessica Rothschild
That's my guess.
- [73:29]
Heather McDonald
Definitely Aaron can be kept because she's like normal and keeps it moving.
- [73:32]
Jessica Rothschild
Yeah, yeah.
- [73:33]
Heather McDonald
And she's super pretty, so.
- [73:36]
Jessica Rothschild
Yeah.
- [73:37]
Heather McDonald
All right, well if you're looking for.
- [73:38]
Jessica Rothschild
A juicy, can you just look at Alec Baldwin?
- [73:40]
Heather McDonald
Oh my God. Alec Baldwin was there with Hilaria. So that's funny.
- [73:45]
Jessica Rothschild
At.
- [73:45]
Heather McDonald
On Soul Cycle. Look at the scroll in the back.
- [73:48]
Jessica Rothschild
That's her. What if I was like, what if I didn't know? I'm like, oh my God, that's me. So at a studio in the Hamptons, the East Hampton studio, something that was cool about soul is like they'd always like try stuff. It was very like culture of. Yes. So they would like do random stuff. So you know how Eladia was a yoga instructor?
- [74:05]
Heather McDonald
Yes.
- [74:06]
Jessica Rothschild
So at the East Hampton studio, the basement, she was like, oh, I want to teach yoga here. And so for like a summer, she just had a pop up like yoga thing in the basement of the soul cycle.
- [74:16]
Heather McDonald
And did people come?
- [74:17]
Jessica Rothschild
Yeah, it was just like random and weird. I remember that.
- [74:20]
Heather McDonald
And was she speaking in a Spanish accent backwards? Oh, back then she was. And did you think she was from Spain?
- [74:27]
Jessica Rothschild
Yeah. Leonardo and my children.
- [74:32]
Heather McDonald
Leonardo who? DiCaprio.
- [74:34]
Jessica Rothschild
No, Leonardo. Doesn't one of her kids name Leonardo?
- [74:36]
Heather McDonald
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
- [74:38]
Jessica Rothschild
That was the name. Carmen and Leonardo. Yes.
- [74:40]
Heather McDonald
Oh, okay.
- [74:42]
Jessica Rothschild
Just that image of. For some reason I find this photo to be so funny. The visual of Alec Baldwin struggling through one of these classes to me is just very funny. I don't know why. So that's why I sent that. I thought it was so funny.
- [74:57]
Heather McDonald
Well, yeah, she's doing fine in life, Hilaria. And yeah, she just says, she just says like she has like a coding problem where she just goes back and forth to thinking she's Spanish or. I don't know. She never really explained it. Never. You know, Hilaria Blake Lively, Sherry Papini. Who else could they all hang out with? Meghan Markle.
- [75:22]
Jessica Rothschild
Oh, are you casting the show?
- [75:24]
Heather McDonald
Yeah, I'm just calling those. All those weirdos could get together and they.
- [75:26]
Jessica Rothschild
All the misfits in New York City.
- [75:29]
Heather McDonald
Yeah. Kind of liars. I don't know. I know that she was always being talked about to join that housewives, but got her own show instead, which is probably what he would have wanted. So everybody, if you're looking for a juicy thing and you lived this life or never lived it. And thank God you didn't. It's called a body and soul and it drops.
- [75:54]
Jessica Rothschild
First two episodes are out right now.
- [75:55]
Heather McDonald
Okay, great.
- [75:56]
Jessica Rothschild
Yeah.
- [75:56]
Heather McDonald
Awesome.
- [75:57]
Jessica Rothschild
And then it'll be weekly. And I mean, it's. If you just want juicy story. Like, I interviewed like a lot of former, like instructors court people who worked at corporate front desk staff. Like, the people who were like dealing with the clients, yelling about like, why am I in a. Why do you move my bike? I should be on bike six. Like, yelling like, sort of dealing with the Ramonas and the Sonjas.
- [76:21]
Heather McDonald
Yeah. I love it.
- [76:23]
Jessica Rothschild
You get it?
- [76:25]
Heather McDonald
I love it. All right, you guys. And where can they follow you on social and everything?
- [76:28]
Jessica Rothschild
JessXNYC is my Instagram.
- [76:30]
Heather McDonald
Awesome. Thank you so much. You guys go to heathermcdall.net click on that Patreon and get ready to change your life. So it'll give you more. More energy than a soul cycle class. Tell you. Thank you. Bye.