Summer House Scandal, Zack Peter’s Take on Lively vs. Baldoni, and Taylor Frankie Paul’s Day in Court

Summary

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Episode Title: Summer House Scandal, Zack Peter’s Take on Lively vs. Baldoni, and Taylor Frankie Paul’s Day in Court
Release Date: April 7, 2026
Host: Heather McDonald
Guest: Zack Peter (No Filter with Zack Peter)

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Episode Overview

Heather returns from vacation with tons of pop culture drama to dissect, joined by internet sleuth and host of "No Filter with Zack Peter," Zack Peter. The duo deep-dive into the latest developments in the Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni lawsuit, analyze Savannah Guthrie's return to TV following her mother's disappearance, and break down Bravo scandals, including the Summer House love triangle and a Juicy look at Taylor Frankie Paul's unfolding legal saga. The episode is packed with witty commentary, unfiltered opinions, and revealing insider knowledge.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni Legal Saga

With special insight from Zack Peter

• Lawsuit Developments ([01:35]–[07:48]):

  • Zack reveals most of Blake Lively’s claims were dismissed: 10 out of 13, including sexual harassment, toxic workplace, and defamation.
  • The dismissal, according to Zack, isn’t just a technicality; the judge issued a detailed 152-page ruling breaking down why each claim didn’t hold.
  • Heather and Zack discuss the key evidence that worked against Blake: her letter to the Producers Guild where she claimed significant set authority, contradicting her claims of vulnerability.
  • Most salacious allegation—Justin Baldoni "described his genitalia" to Blake—was found innocuous after context emerged: it was a discussion about circumcising her baby, with Ryan Reynolds present at their home "Buckingham Palace."
    • Quote (Heather): “That’s annoying. Go on.” ([07:05])
  • Heather and Zack speculate that the conflict snowballed unnecessarily and could have been stopped for everyone’s benefit.
    • Quote (Heather): “There was no one to just go, stop. Yeah, stop. Just chill a minute. You’re all gonna be fine.” ([09:43])
    • Quote (Zack): “Had she just let this play out... she would have won people over again.” ([10:24])
  • Now, only three claims are moving forward: retaliation (specifically, alleged "digital violence"), breach of contract, and breach of implied covenant. Zack notes Blake still needs to prove retaliation and contract breach at trial.
  • Heather pokes fun at the concept of "digital violence": “Girl, then we’re all victims of digital violence.” ([14:30])

• Industry Impact and Future ([17:22]–[18:44]):

  • Zack and Heather ponder if the saga will become a crisis PR case study.
  • Futility of further sequels given the controversy: "It's just his studio that stands as a defendant.” ([13:33])

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2. Savannah Guthrie’s Return After Her Mother’s Disappearance

Speculation and analysis on the ongoing true crime saga

• Savannah’s Public Statements & Return ([21:18]–[25:06]):

  • Heather recaps Savannah’s on-air "I’m home" video and notes mixed public reactions.
  • Debate over whether Savannah returned to the Today Show too soon for optics, mental health, or contractual reasons.
    • Quote (Heather): "I thought... she would go back in September because I thought she’ll take the rest of the school year off." ([22:34])
    • Quote (Zack): “September probably would have been the smarter decision... wrote a book about healing from grief.” ([22:34])

• Crime Scene Theories ([25:08]–[34:37]):

  • Zack suspects family members Annie (sister) and Tommaso (brother-in-law) may have been involved, discussing motive (financial) and classic true crime patterns.
    • Quote (Zack): “It all goes back to the sister Annie and the brother-in-law Tommaso. They were the last ones to see her alive.” ([25:08])
  • Heather and Zack dissect the broader impact – how these cases affect the victim’s family and the lasting media attention.
  • Both suggest the crime will remain unsolved, possibly forever, despite the media spotlight.
    • Quote (Heather): "It was like the Lindbergh baby... and JonBenet wasn’t—they weren’t famous, but...” ([29:36])
    • Quote (Zack): “I think the family knows what happened.” ([25:06])

• Police Investigation Skepticism ([32:58]–[34:37]):

  • Zack berates the police handling as “shoddy,” details oddities (the public seeing blood before the police close the scene), and suggests a secretive build-up of evidence.

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3. Bravo/Reality TV Scandals & Pop Culture

A. Summer House Scandal

Breakdown and juicy behind-the-scenes tidbits

• Amanda, Kyle, and West/Sierra Love Triangle ([35:30]–[47:22]):

  • Heather and Zack recap the explosive new Summer House drama: Amanda cheating with West while still married to Kyle, hurting her best friend Sierra.
  • Zack downplays the overall impact: “It’s not the level of scandal... these players aren’t important enough.”
  • Amanda is depicted as boundaryless, "the girl who hugs other people’s boyfriends" ([51:39]).
  • West is portrayed as a social climber—“triple thirst bucket”—flirting with Bravo women and orchestrating faux storylines.
    • Quote (Heather): “He’s very publicity hungry and he’s a player.” ([43:54])

• Loyalty and Deception ([43:15]–[47:22]):

  • Zack says Amanda’s betrayal of Sierra is the biggest issue: “I think Amanda’s betrayal of Ciara is the worst part of it all.” ([45:35])
  • Heather: “This is why in the Bible it says, thou shall not covet thy neighbor’s wife.” ([48:12])

• Production Manipulation and Reality TV "Hacks" ([49:44]–[54:06]):

  • Costuming and theme party fakery analyzed (“Producers have to come in and give all the costumes,” [49:44])
  • Story of West greedily tightening his wristband at an afterparty—“That says everything.” ([53:39])
    • Quote (Heather): "So I think that says it all." ([54:06])
  • Humorous speculation on Amanda’s behavior and boundaries.
  • Zack admits liking “all the bad ones,” like Austin Kroll. ([54:35])

B. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Update

Feuds, finances, and family lawsuits ([56:02]–[64:35])

• Dorit’s lateness and money troubles are dissected, with Erica Girardi calling her out:
  • Quote (Erika, recalled by Heather): “My husband is in prison... and you don't seem very upset.” ([56:16])
• The notion of entitlement and changing financial dynamics post-divorce is explored with wit—parallel to real life and Bravo.
• Mauricio’s family sues his father’s long-term girlfriend, with Heather explaining why you need written agreements if you’re a non-married partner.
  • Quote (Heather): “If you don't marry her, she's free to go.” ([62:52])

C. New Bravo, The Valley, and More

• Discussion of New Bravo Shows and Casts ([65:21]–[68:52]):

  • Skepticism about RHONY, RHODubai, and RHORhode Island having "legs."
  • Ashley I. (Bachelor alum) now on Rhode Island; dynamic between cast with tiny children and the Bravo focus shifting to ever-younger casts.

• The Valley — Real-Life Storylines:

  • Lala’s sperm donor storyline, child resemblance drama with Kristen’s fiancé Luke (“beautiful reality TV... that was not acting,” [72:32]).
  • The social consequences of pool party invitations gone wrong (Janet, Brittany, and child swim drama).

D. Authenticity and Accountability in Reality TV

• Heather and Zack juxtapose reality TV redemption arcs; Teresa Giudice vs. Jen Shah, critiquing those who own up to mistakes versus those who “con.”
  • Quote (Zack): “She’s a con woman. She knows exactly what to say.” ([80:56])
  • Taylor Frankie Paul's shifting away from the Mormon church and ongoing legal drama are capped with guest fatigue over TikTok reactors and reality stars chasing attention.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Heather (on “digital violence”):
  “Girl, then we’re all victims of digital violence.” ([14:30])
• Zack (on vindication):
  “I can now fully sit in my vindication.” ([02:19])
• Heather (on the Summer House triangle):
  “She’s the girl that hugs other people’s boyfriends.” ([51:39])
• Zack (on Savannah Guthrie crime saga):
  “It all goes back to the sister Annie and the brother-in-law Tommaso. They were the last ones to see her alive.” ([25:08])
• Heather (on boundaries):
  “If you can’t take the mean bitches on the Internet... what else are you going to do?” ([48:13])
• Zack (on Jen Shah):
  “She’s a con woman. She knows exactly what to say and how to...make you like her.” ([80:56])
• Heather (on palimony):
  "It’s called real estate for a real reason. It’s real property...nasty kids can’t take it from me when you die." ([64:35])

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Memorable Moments With Timestamps

• [02:19] Zack claims vindication for doubting Blake Lively’s story
• [07:05] Heather’s sarcastic reaction to the “Buckingham Palace” anecdote
• [14:30] Heather’s “digital violence” takedown
• [25:08] Zack’s true crime analysis of Savannah Guthrie’s family
• [43:54] Heather exposes West’s thirst for Bravo fame
• [53:39] Afterparty wristband “entitlement” story about West
• [56:02–60:15] Beverly Hills Housewives, Erika vs. Dorit fight sequence
• [80:56] Zack explains Jen Shah’s manipulative remorse
• [82:11] Zack: “I’m tired” of the Salt Lake City/Influencer fatigue

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Conclusion & Tone

The episode brims with Heather’s trademark humor, side-eye, and blunt takes, with Zack’s detailed, occasionally conspiratorial pop-culture expertise. The tone is candid, witty, and deeply skeptical about both celebrity PR maneuvers and reality TV authenticity. For listeners wanting to catch up on the juiciest pop culture developments without the fluff, this episode brings all the tea and doesn’t hold back.

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Listen for These Takeaways

• Blake Lively’s legal drama is more about power struggles and overreactions than real scandal (“Everyone would have moved on if they just chilled”).
• Savannah Guthrie’s family tragedy may have a more complex, unspoken story—don’t expect a quick solution.
• Summer House’s latest “scandal” is fun but not on a Scandoval level; Amanda and West’s betrayal is more about boundaries than true heartbreak.
• Real Housewives continues to serve life lessons (and warnings) about fame, finances, and friendship—sometimes with a side of genuine parenting insights.
• The never-ending thirst for notoriety among reality stars is both addictive and exhausting—for the drama-hungry audience, too.

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For more, follow Zack Peter on "No Filter" and Heather at heathermcdonald.net.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Blake's case has been dismissed. Well, it's been gutted. Most of it has been dismissed at this point.

[A]

Blake suing Justin Baldoni for that she was sexually harassed, which we have always questioned the validity and the facts of that element of her claims for so many reasons. And. And, you know, we covered it a lot here. But Zach was always, like, ahead of the steps, reading all this stuff, really in the forefront. It is. I feel like when. When they do the made for TV movie, which they don't do made for TV movies, when they do the streamer movie about your life, I think this is a pinnacle chapter.

[B]

Well, I hope that if they do a movie about Blake and Baldoni, that there's like a caricature of me that, like, is the YouTuber or the TikToker and there should be a parody character that is based on me because I was one of the only people that never joined the Blake Lives Matter coalition and believed her story from day one. I was the only one that questioned the New York Times article and I took my beatings from the Internet accordingly. And I can now fully sit in my vindication.

[A]

Do you feel like you're one of those people? Like, I was on the right side of history?

[B]

I'm always on the right side of

[A]

history, and sometimes it takes a Few years for the history to catch up to Zach. And is there anybody that you could see playing yourself? Cause I wanna warn you, I've only had one time person play me in like a reenactment and it was Hollywood ghost stories. Oh. And I told a story of where I thought I was in a hotel with a ghost. And part of my story was when I travel and do standup. So there was a girl playing me, and when I saw it, I was not thrilled with the choice of the. They just picked like, what you would think would be a brunette standup, but it didn't look like me at all. And so I just want to warn you. Who knows what will end up.

[B]

Let's be real. It's going to be a Lifetime movie. So I'm going to get some, like, low budget, like, you know, real tiktoker that's gonna be grateful for five minutes of camera time.

[A]

Okay, well, for the people putting it together, you know, you can easily just. You don't need to. There used to be a thing in castings where they would say, we're looking for a Kathy Griffin type. We're looking for it. And there were. There was a story of Tracee Ellis Ross who said she saw the breakdown and said, they're like, we're looking for a Tracee Ellis Ross type. And she's like, why can't it be me? No one's called me to do it, so. So you could actually get the real deal.

[B]

I hope so. I'm available.

[A]

So let's. I mean, in this saga, explain. Okay, so 13 of the things, 10 were thrown out.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Those all had to do with her claiming she was sexually harassed on set during the filming of this and Us.

[B]

It ends with us.

[A]

Yeah, sorry, this is us. It ends with us.

[B]

Yes, yes. So there were multiple claims that she was making, including sexual harassment, toxic work environment, defamation, retaliation, all of these things. And 10 of 13 have been dismissed, including the key ones being sexual harassment thrown out.

[A]

So that's because the judge really looked at all the evidence and there was nothing that would. Would justify this going further or what?

[B]

Yes and no. So it. Because you'll hear a lot of the. The Blake supporters say, oh, well, it was dismissed on a technicality or. Which is sort of true, but also not because the judge broke it down. And I think it's 152 pages, his full ruling, and he goes into each of her different claims and he makes it clear that, you know, or he at least gives his professional opinion as to why those specific Allegations wouldn't stand at trial, and so he dismissed it. I mean, the biggest piece of evidence that really came back to bite her is, is this PGA letter that she wrote where she was requesting Producers Guild. Correct?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A producer skilled association. And so she wanted the PGA credit on this film by saying, I did all of these things. And she broke it down and listed all 70 things that she did, including overseeing HR on a daily basis. Okay. That's one of the things that she wrote in the letter as to why she deserved that.

[A]

So then that is what combats her

[B]

claims that she didn't have any power on set and she wasn't a vulnerable employee. So he's like, well, no, she wasn't an employee. She wasn't independent contractor.

[A]

She wasn't an underling. She wasn't. Yeah, correct.

[B]

She had a lot of power on the set. So she wasn't classified as an employee. She was classified as an independent contractor who did yield some power on the set of events with us. And he even gets more specific. Like there was one allegation where she's like, Justin Baldoni described his genitalia to me. And then you get into the context behind that conversation, and it was before the movie even started, but before she'd even agreed to be in the movie. And it was in regard. She was pregnant with her son and Ryan Reynolds was there. The nannies were there. They were hanging out at their house, which she likes to refer to as Buckingham palace, which we learned from the Taylor Swift text messages that that's what she calls her house. And they were talking about. That's weird. Yeah.

[A]

Just to like.

[B]

Well, she says, because so many.

[A]

See, I'm a queen.

[B]

So many famous people come in and out of there that it's like Buckingham Palace, I believe, is the message that she.

[A]

That's annoying. Go on. Yeah.

[B]

So. But the conversation they were having was about her baby boy and whether. And it was her first boy and whether or not she was going to circumcise him. And so in this conversation where Justin Baldoni was not her boss at the time, I guess it came up that he is circumcised. And so in the context of talking about circumcision for a baby, the baby that she was about to give birth to, so the judge is like, well, that. No, that doesn't. That doesn't qualify as sexual harassment. And. And so all of these pieces or all of these different allegations just didn't. Didn't rise to the degree of sexual harassment if you lump them all together. Sure. But then you factor in she was not an employee. She had a lot of power on the set. So the sexual harassment piece was one of the biggest.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, really in. In studying it too, and going through this for the last year and a half, it was like every single thing really had a circumstantial reason and explanation to it. And really what was the most fascinating part was in myself and analyzing it was who she is as a person, as an actress married to Ryan Reynolds, as someone who's been married to someone for 10 years, who's pushing 40, who has four kids, who is excited to have a little crush at work, who then. You know what I like about what I do on Juicy Scoop? Whether it's Housewives or this is These stories are relatable. Yeah, they are relatable. And so it's like she. What I believe happened. It was a rolling effect of where someone should have stopped the train. And it was. This whole thing happened. There was arguments or whatever, and she let Ryan Reynolds know that he had come on to her, that this was going on. And then that sparked. I don't want him even near me at the premiere. And because Ryan Reynolds is more famous and because she's the more famous face, they just wanted to, like, keep her happy, let us get through this fucking thing. And when that press came out and everything, it's. The movie still did well. People were fine. Then there was, like, a little bit of, like, oh, she's kind of a bitch on other shows and stuff that popped up. And this is where you make a mistake, Whether you're a small content creator or Blake Lively. You start listening and reading and thinking the entire world thinks you're something that you're not. And you start spiraling. And then you have a husband that's like, let's spiral together. And then fuck this guy. And now we're off to the races. We're gonna destroy him. And whether he believed her or not, whether she believed herself, whether they exaggerated, whether someone put it in their head that this is a real thing and it's really happening. The fact that there was no one to just go, stop. Yeah, stop. Just chill a minute. You're all. You're gonna be fine. You're absolutely gonna work again. Give it a fucking minute. Louis CK Is selling out Madison Square Garden. Give it a fucking second. Yep, people will forget that. There was that. You have a little bit of a dismissive, bitchy attitude with a makeup artist who cares.

[B]

Had she just let this play out. Another simple favor with Anna Kendrick was coming out the next year. She had already filmed it. And I think had she just let the dust settle and went straight into another Simple Favor. Like the movie itself. Like, it's very campy and it's a little cheesy, but it wasn't bad. Another simple favorite. Yeah, the sequel I watched, it wasn't bad. And I think people. I mean, I think people are hating the movie because they dislike her. But I think had she just let that play out and that movie came out, I think people would have. She would have won people over again.

[A]

I actually was a huge fan of the first movie of Simple Favor. I loved it. I thought it was funny. I thought she was really good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Whether she was playing herself or not, who cares? Like, that's kind of interesting.

[B]

She was great.

[A]

I. I originally didn't think she was terrible in the Town. I love that movie. Now I die at how bad it is. I die at the par of people doing her. Like, how she's like, oh, you're the crime stopper. You figure it out. God, you know, I'm a drug addict. Oh, I. Charlie's gonna know what's gonna happen. Like, now I'm like, oh, my God, that was, like, really bad. And then people look further into it and they're like, why was Ben Affleck driving around at 2am while he was married to Jennifer Affleck? Or whatever. And, you know, so then you're all those. But still, people move on so quickly. And even women who hate on women and whatever, they move on so quickly. There's a new story in a week and a half in her case. God, learn from it. Like, relax. Put your phone down. Yeah, go on a vacation with your family. Like, just chill.

[B]

I think to that same point, I think she thought, let's just do the New York Times article and we'll bury him there. I think she thought that that's where it was going to end. And then he just. He called up Steve Sarawitz, his. You know, his. The executive from his production company who's a billionaire. And he's just like, we're fighting this. And they did, and they fought back and they came back swinging. And now, you know, here we are. But it's.

[A]

So do you think that she and Ryan and her team never thought again in strategizing what you want to do and then. And the team wanting to please her. Yeah, okay, if that's what you want to do, you know, and. And being a sick. A fan or not really saying or just being too dumb to not go okay, so Justin Baldoni, he's best known for being the actor on. What was it called?

[B]

Jane the Virgin.

[A]

Jane the Virgin. He's cute. He's done some directing. He's not, you know, Martin Scorsese. So fuck him. We're gonna bury him. Because you think. Because really he, like, wasn't into you, and you think he called you fat. Yeah, okay, whatever. And so let's do that. So nobody said. But now, wait a minute, honey. What if he doesn't crawl back into a hole and start doing, you know, a Hallmark movie on the side and move to Canada?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What if his partner, who is a billionaire, is like, I'm a fucking billionaire, dude. No, no, no. I know you're a good guy. We're gonna fight this. Do you think that's what happened? Do you think nobody said there's someone behind him that might not crawl into Canada's Hallmark?

[B]

Well, they always knew that he would. That Sarawitz would step in, because they named Sarawitz in the lawsuit as well. So they barked up that tree. They named Sarawitz, they named Jamie Heath, they named Justin Baldoni, his publicist Jennifer Abel, and his crisis manager, Melissa Nathan, all of whom have now been completely dismissed. So the only defendants left in this lawsuit are Wayfair, the studio, and it ends with us. The LLC were producing the film. So all of them have been dismissed personally. So just. It's not even Blake's battle against Justin Baldoni anymore because he's been dismissed. It's just his studio that stands as a defendant. But I do think they knew that that would be a possibility. But that's why they put so many of these legal protections in place. Like, they were really, really smart about how they went about this lawsuit. I just don't think they expected. Because once you throw out allegations coming off of, you know, me too, and time's up and all that, once you throw those allegations out there, there's kind of always that stink on you regardless. And so I think they thought that that would just be enough to, you know.

[A]

And also, do you think this will be, like, you know, prices, crisis, PR, like, 101, like, case study, like, what to do, what not to do, like, going forward in a digital world. When she said in her statement, like, this is about digital violence, and I'm like, girl, then we're all victims of digital violence. Anybody that someone who has 200 followers and their best friend who looked at their story but didn't like it, they're. They're a victim of digital violence. Like, I mean, Come on.

[B]

Well, that's the. So that's what's going forward to trial now is that retaliation piece. So there are two or, sorry, three claims that are moving forward. Um, it's the retaliation in part. It's breach of contract and it's breach of implied covenant. So the last, the case has really been reduced to a contract dispute and whether or not the studio violated their contract by retaliating against her. But so what she'll have to prove in court now is one, she has to prove that she doesn't have to prove sexual harassment, but she has to prove that she did formally bring allegations against them, which as of right now, based off of all the evidence we have, there's no evidence that she brought there, no HR complaints, there's no, you know, emails or text messages to any of the Sony executives. We have one Sony executive, Angie Gianetti, who has already come out and say. Said that no, there were never any formal complaints that were brought against Beldoni or any of the parties. Um, so she has to prove that there were legit claims that were brought. Then she has to prove that retaliation did take place. And this is where she's gonna have to say the smear campaign was real. And she's gonna have to prove that. And not that he was just defending himself, but that they were intentionally trying to harm her reputation. And then three, she's gonna have to prove that they. They tried to har. They did and tried to harm her reputation specifically because she brought these allegations and they were retaliating against her for bringing forth those allegations. But even when it comes down to the contract dispute, and this is what the jury's gonna have to determine with the contract, it's really riding on this 17 point list of demands that she made. She halted production halfway through and she said, these are 17 points that I wanna make sure for the next phase of production are met. They said, okay, fine, whatever, give her whatever she wants. We'll sign the agreement and say, yes, all 17 points of those will agree to. One of them being we won't retaliate against you. What that means, nobody really knows, which is what a jury's gonna have to define. But they say, okay, sure, we won't retaliate against you, but that specific contract, the terms of that are gonna. Are really gonna be what the jury's gonna have to look at because it was in relation to production. These things cannot happen during production. And at the end of production, she signed an agreement saying none of these things happened. The second phase of Production was went by smoothly and the alleged retaliation happened after production. It happened during the promotional tour. So we don't even know if that retaliation even would apply in this case.

[A]

I mean, and this is why people are like, maybe AI in Hollywood isn't such a bad idea. Like, seriously, like. Like, my God. I mean, the movie was so not good. Like, it made no sense that this, like, that she's has this flower shop that, you know, is just all boarded up, but somehow she manages to get the lease to do dry, black, dry flower arrangements. And then the rich sister is like, I'm bored. I'm just walking around with my Birkin and I just wanna, like, work anywhere. I just would like to get a job. So I'm just knocking on a door that's all boarded up and dusty. Do you want me to help you? And I don't wanna come in once the place is clean. Let's not hire anyone to help clean us up. Clean it up. Let me just turn on the music. And so I have to say, like, it was lame. There were so many lame things about the movie. So it's just like, it wasn't even good.

[B]

Well, that was Colleen Hoover's problem.

[A]

Yeah, it's true, but it was lame.

[B]

So, yeah, now it moves Forward to trial, May 18.

[A]

And then the sequence, the sequel. What happens to that?

[B]

There is no sequel, I don't think. I mean, he's still technically.

[A]

I thought there was a second book that was.

[B]

There's a second book. It's called. It Starts with us. He owns the rights to the second book to make it into a film if he wants to. I doubt that he will. Oh, my God, his character isn't even in it. Or it's not really in it.

[A]

I wonder if he will, though, just to, like, be like, you know what? This neat. This is the full circle moment. And what if it was really fucking good? Like, what if he got someone to rewrite it, I guess, and it turns out to be great and he's like, five years later, here is the, you know, the cherry on the shit sundae. But it actually tastes good. I don't know.

[B]

I think he would get support. I think people would show up in theaters for him.

[A]

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[A]

Well, Savannah Guthrie, she spoke on Easter, a video that was picked up a lot of places. I think knowing that she was going to come back today.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To the Today show and saying, it's her home. I'm home. And then some people in the comments were like, you're home. That's kind of a weird thing to say since your mother was taken from her home. I remember like thinking, if and when would she come back? People speculated I would never want to be in the public eye again. This was obviously related to her or not. Other people saying, yeah, but when you lose someone in your life, whether it's a parent or a child, you need to get back into a routine. And why wouldn't you? It's an easy job. It's a fun job that you liked. And I thought, I think my prediction was like that she would go back in September because I Thought she'll take the rest of the school year off, then the kids and her will go on vacation. And then once they go back to school, she'll be like, okay. But it also could be contractual and mentally. Yeah, sometimes you just need to move on, you know, and just go back to your job, no matter what the tragedy is.

[B]

I think September probably would have been the smarter decision. And she didn't even need to go back to the Today show. She could have written a book. You know, she would have gotten a good deal about healing from grief and, like, she could have really turned this into, you know, her next chapter in life. I predicted that she was gonna do a sit down with Hoda Kapi before it was announced that that was gonna be the one on one. And I predicted that by the end of that interview that we would have a date for her return, which we got April 6, which has now happened. She came back, and Joy is her protest. That's the tagline that they're going with. Joy is her protest. What do you mean?

[A]

So it means be hap. Like, don't.

[B]

Like you're not gonna. You, yeah, sure, you robbed her of her mom, but you're not gonna rob her of her joy.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Her joy in life.

[A]

Okay. All right.

[B]

I mean, it's just not that I'm trying to judge her, but it is very soon to be embracing the joy of life, considering you still haven't found your mother and you don't seem very upset about the investigation into finding your mother. But, yeah, listen, she's back. It is a little soon, but I think Hoda Copy was gunning for that spot. Spot.

[A]

So I still think now, I. I do think it was not something as, like, calculating and weird and conspiracy and about her and what she's reported on and all that. So I do think it was some. Just a. A crime that happened, like a JonBenet that we might never know what happened. But it happened. It happened. And she's no longer with us. And it was then they took her and then fake people did the ransom. And it was like either they meant to kill her or they didn't meant to kill her, but they took her and they left the house and in a panic. And whoever that is, whether it's a deviant essayer or they didn't mean to kill her and they were just trying to rob the house, or they're just some weird dude that knew that a rich lady lived down the street whose grandparents would watch her daughter Savannah on the news every day, and he was like that house must be rich. And he was like dumb and did this. I don't know.

[B]

I don't think that's. I thought, I don't think. Well, they. The latest reports have come out that the house was pretty clean. So whoever did this I think cleaned up after themselves. Which makes the blood on the porch a little more suspicious and then the back doors being wide open also suspicious. I think the family knows what happened. I do at this point.

[A]

And what do you think happened?

[B]

I think something happened to her. I mean I've played around with a few different theories, but I think it all goes back to the sister Annie and the brother in law, Tommaso. They were the last ones to see her alive. I mean you do juicy crimes, you know that statistically and with the pattern of crime, it's usually somebody close to the subject, number one. And number two, you have to look at what could the motivations be. And then when you look at the traditional motivations, it probably wasn't a crime of passion. Nobody was having an affair with Nancy Guthrie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, so it's probably financial. Well, who had the financial motivation? Well, Annie is a poet and Tommaso is a substitute teacher and they just bought a house last summer. So how are they funding their life if it wasn't motivate or if it wasn't linked back to possibly Nancy, who was also. They were also her caretakers.

[A]

But what do you think that Savannah, because it is her sister, she just doesn't want to believe it. She doesn't want more pain to the family. Like, because that's what I originally thought so too. I thought the mother is helping them or even she secretly was helping her son in law. He was convincing her that he was going to do this great business in bitcoin, who knows. And she gave money or was giving money and finally they had that last meal and she either told them both or told him privately, I'm not going to help you anymore. And then something happened, whether it was intentional or not. But well, if she's gone, then we will get the money. And there was something that happened with the house recently where they're like they are able to. It doesn't have to just stay. It could go in the trust, meaning now they could sell it and stage it and then use the money or they could clean it up and they could move into it, the brother in law and the sister and, and then their house and then they could sell their house and they could live on that. And then that way if the mother ever Came back. Her house is still there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And not sold.

[B]

Yeah. No, I agree. I mean, it's just there are too many unanswered questions, and there's not enough outrage, I think, from the family and not enough utilization of all of these resources like the Today show and NBC that could have been used in the first, two, three, four, five, six, seven weeks of this case. And the whole. The rest of the world was more invested in finding Nancy Guthrie. So I think Savannah came because she believed her mother was missing. And then, listen, if your sister comes to you and is like, holy shit, we accidentally killed her. We needed to get rid of her. Like, if it was an accident, it was unintentional something, would you.

[A]

Would you cover up for your sister?

[B]

Well, look at the theory with JonBenet maybe. Look at the theory with JonBenet Ramsey. The theory is that they covered up for the brother, for the son, for the pineapple. But then you. You take it a step further, right? Could she be covering up for Annie? Maybe. But then you go a step further and you're like, well, what other motivations would Savannah have outside of protecting her family? You also have her job and her reputation. If she's known as the woman whose sister murdered the mom, you're forever gonna live with that scandal. But if you're the woman whose mom never was found, then everybody can watch you come back to the Today show in your bright yellow dress, and joy cometh in the morning. You know, joy is your protest. Like, you get to then just be the lady who lost her mom rather than the lady whose sister killed the mom.

[A]

And when you think about. Because she's so aware of these cases, I think about it, too. I was, like, watching, you know, these crime documentaries and things, and I'm like, people don't realize that every time there's an appeal, every time that, like, then the poor victims, the victims of the family have to go to the court, have to live through it again. Have to go through. So it's always like, oh, you know, they. They were just about to catch the guy, and he ran into the woods and killed himself. Thank God. Thank God we don't have to live through a trial and this. You know, it's because it's just. And then, you know, and then people write about you, and then people talk about you and forever. And they do movies about it, and you don't like the person that played you and, like, it does. It's like when you're. And people don't realize, like, you know, there's Always. You always think of the mother or the child of a victim. People don't think about the sibling, you know, the niece or the person that had to live through it, and it changed the trajectory of their life because someone close to them was a victim. Yeah, very juicy. Very juicy. Because we don't know. And that's why it is interesting. And all these factors are something that we can ever. There's never been something like this before where a regular, you know, one of the most famous faces in the world because she does a national morning show. Not her child, but her mother. You know, it's like the Lindbergh baby from a long time ago. Like, these things are. Yeah. And Jean Manet wasn't. They weren't famous, but they. Because she did the pageants. Because of all that. And then what happens is they know that these magazines. Anytime for the next 30 years. Well, there's some weird guy in prison who says that he shared a cell with some guy who talked about John Monet. Okay. At least you're bored. You're at the. You know. All right, I'll buy that magazine. Backboard magazines, or I'll click on that. So they know that there's certain stories that no matter how many years go by. OJ whatever. For 30 years, finally the OJ articles have stopped because he's dead. But, like, it. Literally anytime there was a slow period, it would. Like, the story would come up again or a new movie would be done.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because everyone's like, oh, I know that one. And it's juicy.

[B]

And that'll be this. It's just. I don't think we'll be.

[A]

I don't think it will be, though, because it isn't a beautiful blonde who was married to a famous football player who maybe was selling drugs or had a lover like the whole OJ Was. So you know what I mean? It's like those factors. It wasn't a beautiful little doll. So I kind of think. I think this story is going to die, and I think it's dead already. Like, it's dead.

[B]

The sheriff keeps telling us this could take years to solve, but she's probably still alive out there, which makes no fucking sense. And then you have Savannah, who's just, like, moving on. I mean, her sit down with Hoda gave us absolutely nothing other than, remember I'm sad. And so that when I go back to the Today show, don't judge me. Like, that was the whole premise of that interview.

[A]

I just want to go work and learn.

[B]

Three parts. Yeah, we did three Parts over two days. They milked the hell out of that interview and gave us a absolutely nothing.

[A]

That's why there aren't any clips or anything, because there was nothing to clip from it.

[B]

And even, you know, and Hoda was a tear. It was a terrible interview from Hoda's end because she asked no fall. Even easy follow ups, like when Savannah's like, we believe at least 2 of the ransom notes were real. Okay, why? What made you believe that two of them are real? And also, even the bigger question is, why didn't you pay them? Yeah, the initial offering for the mom was $2,500 before the FBI stepped in and then upped it to 50, and then the FBI upped it to 100, and it took, what, over a month before Savannah's like, you know what? Okay, I guess now I'll put in a million dollars and go home to New York.

[A]

And it's like, but didn't she also say, I did want to offer a million, like the first couple days, and the. And the detectives or whatever said don't.

[B]

She hasn't said that. But that is. The speculation is that it was likely the sheriff or the FBI that encouraged her not to do that. But that's what we've seen. I mean, the Ramseys put that out there early on.

[A]

Every time there's a, you know, a kidnap ransom movie type of thing, it's always like, go meet us at this, you know, phone booth with a million dollars. And you're like, well, if I do this, there's no how do I. And then. But if you call the police, we're going to kill your kid. And you're always like, what do I do? So it was always like, what do you do?

[B]

You know, the kidnapper is going to play it out on tmz.

[A]

Like, yeah, it just.

[B]

It didn't make any. It didn't make any sense. I mean. And also, there was no search party. There were no cadaver dogs. There was no family with her face on the shirts going out digging into the desert like you traditionally see with high profile kidnappings. Even to this day, the sheriff is not even considering that this could be a homicide. They still believe that there's this crazy old lady snatcher that just took her in the middle of the night and poof, she disappeared. It's like, you don't just lose a whole ass lady in 2026 with zero documentation, evidence footage, GPS, anything. She had a pacemaker that was connected to Bluetooth, and poof, this lady disappeared. Aliens had to have Come and taken Nancy Guthrie. At this point, all we have are little drops of blood, which also, mind you, the drops of blood, there was no splatter of blood. There was no footprint. Stepping the blood in. It's just convenient little drops that are going right out to the driveway that Brian Enten was able to come in in less than 48 hours to come and film with his phone and post that on the Internet. I'm not accusing Brian of anything, but I'm just saying, Brian, Brian. Oh, he's one of the. The news nation. He's the lead reporter that's kind of been in Arizona covering this from the beginning. But the crazy part is he was just able to, within the first couple of days, walk right up to the crime scene and film the blood on his phone. It's like, when do you ever have blood in a crime scene that's not closed off to the public? Like reporters are walking up to her porch. It was just yet the pool guy in the. In the first week going and cleaning her pool. And it was, it was so strange and so bizarre and it just felt

[A]

like, I have a pool party. The whole thing was so weird. And it's like, yeah, you wonder, like, is this just the shoddiest police work ever? Is it? They actually do have major scoop that they're keeping under wraps so that they actually have a case. So they're acting like we're not looking at the brother in law. Yeah, because I mean that happens a lot when like a husband kills a wife. They act like everything's fine and it can be like two years later and they were looking, you know, so it's like. And they. But they make the person relax. They don't even call them anymore for interviews. They're just like, we, we're getting our ducks in a row. So we'll see. We'll see. I. Maybe it will be. Maybe we'll never hear it about again. Or maybe we will. That's the only thing I'm thinking that, yeah, everyone's criticizing our stupid county, but we actually just you wait, you know,

[B]

like I'm hoping bring the lady home.

[A]

So Summer House, which is the hottest show to talk be talked about since Vanderpump scandal. This is where these kids all go in the summer. They rent a house that's been going on for 10 years and many of them date each other and they have these parties and they go every weekend in the summer. And Kyle and Amanda met on the show. They got married every summer. They fight. They don't have kids. And, you know, some people have been on a little while. Other people come in. And then a couple years ago, this guy named west came in, though some people call him Wes. That's the biggest controversy, some people say, is the name Wes or West. He comes in. Not my type. He's kind of cute, but he's kind of funny. And so he's a good reality show person. And then this beautiful girl, Ciara comes in. She's black and gorgeous and just one of the most attractive people. And they have a flirty situation on and off this summer. Da, da, da. Amanda and Kyle. Kyle creates this liquor company called Lover Boy, which is like seltzer drinks. And he's like, you need to help me more. And she's like, I hate working, but I have a good body. I want to have bikinis. And then he's just like, you don't support me. And then he's like, you want to be a bikini designer? Well, I want to be a dj. And then she's like, what? And then he becomes a dj, which he was good. We saw him at the.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I had a good fucking time with him, and he was very nice afterwards. And he DM me. And he said, thank you for your support. You had a good time. And blah, blah, blah. Everyone's like, I can't believe he's a dj. He needs to be staying home with his wife and being a better husband. He shouldn't be at nightclubs. Thank God he became a dj, because then Amanda was fucking west, and they're gonna get divorced. And so thank God he has his DJ company because the Lover Boy company is suffering financially. And then some people, you know, then there's more speculation where people were too harsh on Amanda, that she's walking around the Hamptons with the scarlet letter. A, not for Amanda, but adultery. And then, you know, she. Sierra was such a good friend to her. And when she knows that Sierra was still pining for her ex west, and then west, did he deceive his friend Kyle? And why, you know, so what are your thoughts? And then we'll get into some more elements. Is this a scandal or.

[B]

No, it's not the level of scandal, and it's certainly not like, these players aren't important enough. Like, we watched vanderpump rules for 10 years, and, like, Vanderpump Rules had Lisa Vanderpump attached to it. It had Real Housewives of Beverly Hills attached to it. So it had this cultural pop culture relevance that I don't think Summerhouse has

[A]

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[B]

And even though like yeah, Sierra's a pretty girl, but I don't think she's ever she was on The Traitors Season 3 and nobody remembers that. Like she's been very forgettable when it comes to anything outside of Summer House. I think if this was like a Lindsay Hubbard or a Paige desorbo, who are I think the breakout stars of the show or I mean Kyle Cook, I guess Kyle is the star of the show, but I think Sierra just, you know, she wasn't the star. And Amanda's also not that interesting and west is so new to the franchise that he's not that interesting.

[A]

No, I mean west is just a typical. He's a triple. A triple thirst bucket.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He wants to be. He wanted to be a reality star. And so he was. He is a player. He flirts with women. You know, he's flirted with other women in the Bravo world that I know for a fact in which he like was writing them saying like, we could have a PR moment. Like when a younger person goes for an older Real Housewife, let's go. So, yeah, let's fuck. But also like, we could also play this out. So he's very publicity hungry and he's a player and he's been DMing other women. So she left who everyone thought was an annoying child, Kyle, to be with the one. You know, she's just that girl that a guy shows interest in. He's a love bomber. And she went for it. And people were speculating if this was true. And then they came out with a statement. It is wild. And everybody was like, oh my God. And then Ciara, there was something being that she is a black woman. Some people felt that this made it extra bad because sometimes white guys just want to experience a beautiful black woman. I think it was a typical fling in which he was a player. She wanted more. He's just a fuckboy. I don't think that meant anything. But as her friend. And Sierra was such a good friend to Amanda. When Amanda's crying every day about Kyle being. Being with Kyle and not knowing if she's going to owe $2 million and love her boy or not because they don't have a prenup and they kind of want to get divorced and everyone's tired of hearing them fight. That's where it was like it was deceptive.

[B]

Yes. I think the deception is Amanda and Sierra. I mean, but people are really putting a lot of pressure on this relationship between Sierra and West. Sierra and west dated for a summer in 2023. It's been three years.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they dated for a little bit. And since then we have seen west be abhorrent and, you know, be a whore and sleep with all these women. And he's a. He's a douchebag player. He's not the prize that either of them should be fighting over. But I do agree. I think Amanda's betrayal of Ciara is the worst part of it all. But I also think Amanda's been in a loveless marriage for a long time where she's never been emotionally fulfilled. Call Alison Dubois. He'll never emotionally fulfill you. And Kyle never did. And so now she's technically single. And west is also single, even though he was still kind of keeping Sierra on the burner. They were, you know, she. Sierra hated him after they dated, and then she blasted him at the, I think season eight reunion. And they weren't friends throughout season nine. And then season 10 comes in and now she's kind of giving him a second chance. And, you know, and he's not committing to her because he's not the commitment type of guy. And I think Amanda got. I think he likes to go after the girls that are unavailable. Amanda was unavailable because she was married to Kyle. And that's where we see her and Wes be kind of flirty and have this really flirty relationship throughout season 10. And then now Amanda's out of her relationship, is looking for some sort of emotional connection which I think west being a love bomber was giving her. And he also knew, like, I probably shouldn't go for her because she's, you know, she's friends and she just came from my friend Kyle's marriage. And like, now she's technically, technically single. So I think it was just forbidden fruit. They fell. They fell for each other, and it's more infatuation than anything. And now they have to commit because they blew everything up.

[A]

And then the lemonade of it is that they have this spin off called the city. And Kyle, who's now was always the villain. Everyone hated him. Now women are feeling sore for him. They're saying, how can we support lover boy? Or, you know, alcohol can company. What can we do? Can I have it at my baby shower? Can we support the scorned woman of Kyle? I saw somebody did a little funny photoshop of him being the next Roxie Hart in Chicago, and I thought that was brilliant. I'm sorry, whose ever joke it was not mine. I thought it was really funny. Anyway, it's good. I'm glad that you are a DJ making 20,000 a year. Lover boy might make it or not. And now everyone's gonna watch your spinoff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. And you guys had a horrible marriage. Anyway. He doesn't even seem that mad about it. I think he's like, well, you know, and then they go meet to walk the dogs. And the this is the 30 af club put this together. And Amanda's wearing his hat that Wes used to wear, a shirt that Wes has the same headphones. She's got all his clothes on to go meet Kyle to walk the dogs. And he's telling, you know, reporters, like, leave her alone. You know, she's mentally. She has Mental health issues. You cannot be on a reality show if you can't take the mean bitches on the Internet. And you know what I'm saying? Like, but now you've been on the show for 10 years. What else are you going to do? Get a job at, you know, Neiman Marcus, which is closing. What are you going to do? So I get it. Stay on the show. Who knows though? Sometimes. Listen, sometimes affairs happen or, or whatever where someone very close to you. This is why in the Bible it says, thou shall not covet, covet thy neighbor's wife. It's oftentimes someone you know that's in your circle that you know you're going to swing with that you're going to do whatever that lives next door. That's the, the mom that you acted like you're best friends with. I'm always fascinated by the woman who goes after her best friend's dude. That's why we were fascinated by scandal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she's, you know, and Sierra had shown being such a good friend. Now the other thing that came up is. Wait, hold on, let me just. Okay, so first of all, I want to ask about these parties. So they always have these parties every weekend and it's always a theme. And this one was let's be old people or whatever theme. But they had like prosthetics and all that stuff. So clearly. Right. The producers have to come in and give them all this costume. I mean it was like, it was like complete makeup and awful theme for a party.

[B]

Yeah, I think it was somebody's birthday. And so they're like, oh, you're getting old. So let's all dress up as old people.

[A]

But then everybody else at the party, nobody dressed up as old. So it's just the stars of it doing the. What's the walkers and the tits and. Yeah, I mean, I get it. Like Vanderpump started to do. Everything was a theme, let's be in drag and whatever. It was just lame. Okay, so then. And like Carl is looking older, but he launched his non alcoholic restaurant, drink place. And maybe he'll do okay, maybe he'll do okay. But I wanted to wait, I wanted to say that this was interesting. So then this girl, Toronto pop zone. People think that it was interesting when Paige was dating Craig and she was on the show and Craig and Amanda were very huggy, very supportive. And at one moment, someone also caught an old episode where Paige is sitting across from Craig, her boyfriend, and Amanda is sitting next to Craig at dinner and they're holding Hands. I have never in my life hugged a man like this. That's not my husband or son or gay best friend or whatever. I have never hugged someone else's man like that or held another man's hand like that in my life.

[B]

Hugged Mauricio after her burglary.

[A]

Right. She kissed his.

[B]

His head, right?

[A]

No, his, like, shoulder or something. So it's weird.

[B]

I think Amanda's just that kind of girl that is very hand. Like, she doesn't know boundaries with guys, and she just doesn't realize.

[A]

Yeah, she's the girl that gets. Does the piggyback ride.

[B]

Oh, you're carrying me on your shoulder.

[A]

He's like, my brother. Shut up. Well, then you're a brother fucker.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was from Simple.

[B]

Favorite Blake Life.

[A]

That was from Simple Favor. That was such a good. That was so good. Okay. This guy came across Kurt Walker, and I loved this little video he did. He said, I have some scoop on West. And he didn't say scoop, but it's okay if you did. I want to tell you about it, and I do think this says anything. It says something about a person. And when I tell you, I think everyone will agree that this says a lot. He said, they were at the summer house party at the house. He goes, which are not fun and lame, and I think we can tell. And the party ended. And a couple of them, including west, said, yeah, we want to go out with you guys at the local bar. So lucky for him, I can imagine how hard it is he got the table. He knew somebody that had. They got him the VIP table behind the DJ booth, and they give them wristbands. And everybody. When you go to Stagecoach or, you know, anything like that, or Coachella coming up this weekend, everyone knows not to do it. Super tight in case you want to skip out on the third day, whatever, they make it really, really hard. You have to have a very tiny wrist or whatever. But this was just. He gives them their wristband and is like, don't tighten it so that, you know, we can go back and forth or bring someone into the thing. He said he gave it to Wes, who immediately tightened the shit out of it on his own wrist, of course. And I think that says everything. Yeah, it wasn't your night. You didn't get the table. You didn't buy the wristbands. But you're so entitled because you're this big star that you think that you're allowed to do that. And so then this cat couldn't leave the booth, couldn't get a piss Couldn't go say hi to a friend. And he was the one that hooked up the whole fucking thing. So I think that says it all.

[B]

And west is that guy, you know, he's not. And he also, like, you know, I think he knows how to pander to the Bravo audience. He knows how to say, like, before all this scandal, the girls did like him cause of his personality or he was funny. And I just always saw him as a hack. And he just always knew what to say and how to, you know, get them to like him, which to me, just always came across very disingenuous. But, I mean, he is cute. I think he's a cutie. I like his little belly.

[A]

All right, good for you.

[B]

I also love Austin Kroll. I love all the bad ones.

[A]

Yeah, he's fun. Madison, that was my favorite era of summer, of Southern charm. Real House of the Beverly Hills. Okay, so they're in Italy, and it comes down to Dorit, which, by the way, I've noticed she does this thing that's kind of annoying where she's always like. She's always like, whatever she's talking, she's like, well, I'll tell you. Like, it was like. Like, she's always, like, parched a little bit and trying to get it out. And she's always like, why is it that Kyle was so determined to make everyone realize that I was an issue and let me know that everybody is against. That is what Kyle did. And to me, that is inexcusable. And then for Erica to get so upset because Bose has, like, I don't know. So everyone is like, you've been late a lot, and it's been really annoying. And then she's like, I'm going through a very hard time, Erica. And Erica's like, so have I. Why? What's been going on with you? What's been going on with me? I still live at a rental. I am still being sued for, like, $1 billion. My husband is in prison. Everybody over, including me, and it is in prison with Alzheimer's. I don't know. Like, I don't know.

[B]

Like, it was when she said that, I was like, oh, my God.

[A]

Well, you don't talk about it. Erica, don't talk about it. Because I had to talk about it for the last three years. But you can still check in with me. You don't think it's fudgeing? Stressful?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, oh, my God. And so then she's. They've just had it with her, and she is a smoker, and she's been smoking the whole time she's been on. And that's another thing that they couldn't reveal. But now that smoking's in, they can. But that lots of times she'd be off not checking on her kids, but having a cigarette break. And I remember that back in the old days of working at Robinson's May that I thought, wow, the smokers get to leave the building. They get to leave the building and have a break. And I was like, at one point, do I develop smoking? Do I say I have an elderly mother that I have to get home to because I don't have a kid? Like, when I was single, as a non smoker, you got no fucking breaks at a regular job. And I've said it over and over again, this is a job. And the longer they're on it, the more they're like, I was at that boring fucking dinner for 4 hours and 32 minutes. And you left at 3 hours and 51 minutes. Therefore I'm fucking mad. Why do I could be in my bed. Scrolling TikTok 40 minutes earlier this is why these shows.

[B]

And they had to go to all the homeless. Not toothless dinners.

[A]

Yeah. All that stuff.

[B]

Yes. They did all that for Dorit.

[A]

They did all those things for Dorit. And you know, so that's her deal. What do you think?

[B]

I enjoyed Erica Lane into Dorit. Oh, loved it was because I think there's just like, it was a fatigue that I think the audience has felt of being like, during, like, we get it, you're going through a hard time. But also like, Kyle's going through a divorce. Rachel Zoe's going through a divorce. Bose is having fertility issues. Sutton's going through this identity crisis where her kids are growing up

[A]

and her friends dating him. Yeah. Her old friend might bury her husband and the Catholic Church.

[B]

I wish we were able. I know that, like, legally she has trouble getting into that type of stuff because of her ex. That's still so much that she's like, everybody's going through something, but Dorit just sucks up all of the oxygen in the room. And then when we had him watch.

[A]

Why should we feel sorry for you that PK wasn't paying your bills and then you go buy four Gucci bags. Yeah. Which come on.

[B]

Like, you don't need four Gucci bags. You don't need.

[A]

It wasn't like this was the one thing they make in Italy and I've been wanting it my whole life and it's gonna go up in value. So, yes, I did spend $30,000 on this thing. Because I see it as a little bit of a nesting. No, it was just like, no, I'm gonna show you that I can buy four Gucci bags. And I was just like, ew. Yeah. I don't want to hear you bitch about your money. It's like when you lend somebody money, and then they're like, I'm gonna actually. Could you add lobster to that Caesar? And you're like, yeah, okay. I thought you were broke. Yeah, because I'm just having the regular Caesar. So, like, why. Anyway, it's frustrating. And I like. Yeah, I think that. And then when Andy brought up, like, when she was on Live about the being late. Being late on the plane, it's. You are never late. I'm not a late person. I believe there's three types of people in this earth, okay? There's the people who are 10 minutes early or always on time. There's the people that are always 15 minutes late, and then there are the people that are an hour plus late who never feel bad about it.

[B]

No.

[A]

Who don't. It's like, I'm here. It's such. It's the most arrogant thing. And the fact that she left them on the plane, walked in and was like, where do I sit? I mean, if that was me and I found myself in that position and it was something related to my kids, I would be bawling. I would be like, I'm a piece of shit. I cannot believe I made you guys wait. I'm fucking a shell of my human self. Like, I tried to tell the producers. They told me to wait. Like, I would have just said it all. I would have been like, I can't imagine her just being like, well, no, now I do feel badly. Now you feel badly?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's a fucking job. It's a job.

[B]

Yeah. Even her apology again. A job that she needs.

[A]

Right?

[B]

She needs the job because PK's not paying rent, you know? And also now, not that I'm team pk, but not that I'm not team pk, but, like, I. I understand him not paying rent on the house because he's like, you're literally. You just got your book. Like, you know where her thing is. Like, well, you're. The arrangement was you were supposed to always pay for the house, and you were supposed to always pay for the bills. And after a while of her just draining all of the money, like, I would be.

[A]

And no matter how good a divorce is and how rich you are, the spending that you had when you Were loved.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If that's your transactional marriage that you can shop and he, you know, love you, I want this. That's gonna change. No one's fucking. They're all living together. He's in an apartment. If you're gonna keep the house, like curtail the glam, curtail the shopping. I am. Look, I get it. I get it. Mauricio is in this family drama. His father, who I guess he and his mother, the father and the mother divorced a long time ago. He's had this girlfriend, the father, for 18 years. 18 years. And my understanding is they, he and his sister are now suing this girlfriend of 18 years for, you know, like they don't think she's taking care of the elderly father who has Alzheimer's well enough. And they're suing her for $400,000, which were gifts over the years that the father gave her and also that she spent the money on a facelift. I don't have all the details. Okay, I'm telling you what I think. Fuck you. If I was the girlfriend. Yeah, fuck you. 18 years is not 18 months. No, 18 years is significant. You're going after 400,000. I would hope that if someone. You're going after some fucking jewels that he gave her and that she got a facelift. Most women in Beverly Hills get a facelift after a certain age. Your own wife has gotten one. So is your sister in law. Your daughters have had work done. What does it matter? So the woman that took care of your dad for 18 years, and then if he has Alzheimer's, whatever. Oh, it's not up to the. So now she's not a good enough care. You go visit your dad. Who doesn't know who I am anymore.

[B]

Yeah, who? She took care of him for 18 years. I'm sure he wasn't in pristine health 18 years ago. I'm sure he's slowly been deteriorating.

[A]

They were never married. Guess what, asshole? That's why you marry the girlfriend. Because one day you might need her to actually really take care of you. If you don't marry her, she's free to go. She's free to say, hey, your dad needs you guys to visit him and you need to put him in a home because I'm not in the will. I. I only got a few pieces of jewelry over the last four. 18 years.

[B]

Yeah. Isn't there a law in California though, where if you're together for 10 years, there's like common.

[A]

No, that changed when gay marriage passed. That's my understanding.

[B]

The gays ruined the pal.

[A]

It was called Palm doesn't exist.

[B]

We may need to. We, we've done a lot. We may need to reverse it. Sometimes I think I see some of these people.

[A]

My understanding is there was a time where palimony, when you're with someone for seven years. Yeah, you could sue for palimony saying, I've become accustomed to this lifestyle then I believe. And a lot of gays would use that because they couldn't get married. And then my understanding is once they got married, that kind of went away. And so if you are in a non marriage and you're in a transactional thing where one of you makes the money and maybe one takes care of the home or the kids or the pets, you've got to make sure that there is a. If you're not married, some type of agreement where you're like, for every year we're together, I get a million dollars. Or buy me this piece of property. It's called real estate for a real reason. It's real property. It can't be jewelry that can be stolen. It can't be lost on a trip on the sea. It can't be revoked. You know, like put my name on a real piece of property and then your nasty kids can't take it from me when you die. And they act like I never was there for 12 Christmases.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then he was seen with. He's got a girlfriend, some girl from Love Island.

[B]

I'm tired of him and all his little 23 year old girlfriends.

[A]

Well, she was. She has a house. Kyle has a house in Nashville. And she's been spotted by many people enjoying a cute lunch with Morgan Wade. I'm gonna make you love me. Well, she came and bought a house in Nashville. I said, I don't know why you're living here. We're just friends. But good for her.

[B]

Good for her. She's chasing.

[A]

Nashville's a fun town.

[B]

She's Sierra chasing west.

[A]

Or they. Or they just have a good time together. I could see her moving on from the Housewives. I'm very curious to know who will be in the cast next season. I think there'll be a big shakeup in Beverly Hills.

[B]

I think there has to be at this point.

[A]

And they're moving towards such younger cast now. Like Rhode island just premiered. Very young cast. Besides, I think this one woman who looks like Dolores, who from New Jersey pops over to like bring it together. But they had one episode and the juiciest part of it is there's this really pretty girl who's like 30, who lives in an enormous, gorgeous home. And she's had this boyfriend for, like, 10 years or something, and they're not married, and she doesn't have kids. And he just goes. Lives in Miami for six months when it's better to be in Miami than Rhode Island. And then when it's nice in Rhode island, then he's her boyfriend, and she just waits around for six months. But she doesn't have to work, so it pays off. And she comes out with a story right away. Cause she's like, this is probably why they picked me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think because they're not married either. He doesn't even know she's doing this. And she's like, well, if you break up with me, at least I've got a job. Or she's like, well, you're gonna realize how great I am, and you're gonna get rid of Ms. Miami. But, I mean, now everybody knows who he is. Who probably they figured out who the woman he spends with in Miami. I mean, you know, and his dad was some famous judge or something, and so he's. They're very, very wealthy, and he's. So that, I think, is pretty juicy.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I think shows look. I mean, it's. At this point, the playbook has become so transparent, Right? Like, Bronwyn, you're in a weird situation, so you go on the show to give you your second leg, and then you can leave the relationship. And, you know, you either get your

[A]

real estate license or you get on the Real Housewives. And then sometimes you have to do both. Yeah, Sometimes you have to do both.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I don't. I honestly don't know if Rhode island has legs. That's my hot take.

[A]

I wasn't. I kind of am like, look, I'm curious. I think it's interesting groups of people. I think that people have said, you're gonna die. There's so much, like, juice behind it.

[B]

That's what they said about Dubai. It's what they said about the Roni reboot.

[A]

Well, we'll see.

[B]

It's what they said about the Vanderpump reboot.

[A]

The Ashley eye is interesting. She's from the Bachelor. I was a fan of her because she was, like, an old virgin, and she then falls in love with the other guy she met on that was in the Bachelor franchise. They have two of the most beautiful boys. They kind of both. They kind of look like brother and sister, first of all. And then they made, like, these beautiful, like, eyes are like. I don't know, they're just really cute. And so she's in the thick of it now. She's two little boys. They run this coffee shop, but he was from Rhode island, so, like, she gets in it. And I think that's interesting. But it's a lot. It's like they're skewing it all so young now that it's just a lot of child rearing. And I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I think the sweet spot of Housewives is you are married and you have some kids, but they're kind of older and they're not really part of it. Like maybe they're like 12 and above.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so you have time to go out and go on things and you're not looking like a bad mom if you go spend a week in Ireland or whatever like there. And I just feel like right now there's a lot of shows that are a lot about little babies and little kids, but whatever might be good.

[B]

I don't think it has legs.

[A]

All right.

[B]

I think it needs a scandal to keep it around, otherwise it's going to die like Dubai.

[A]

All right. The Valley came back on the poster, there's 13 people. That doesn't include Jesse's girlfriend that's come to the play, Lacey. The juiciest part was Lala, who her second daughter, Sosa, she went and you know, they part. They shared it on Vanderpump Rules and everything that she, after having the breakup of her relationship with her ex, who produced her daughter Ocean, then she wanted to have another baby. So she got. Went to a sperm bank. And when I was talking to Lala back then and she was telling me about it, I go, are you gonna buy the whole lot? And she goes, what do you mean? And I said, if you can afford to, or if they can give you a deal, you should buy the whole lot. Because I have friends who have done this. And then they find out, you know, that, oh, well, maybe it's nice, but maybe it's not my kid. Actually, there's 13 other people, but you could also not know and possibly those two people could fall in love. Whatever. It's just. So if you can. So she did do that. And they have this scene where she's joking with Luke, who's Kristen's fiance, and they have a baby together that Sosa looks like him. And then he goes, I actually did donate sperm. And she's like, haha, but not to my sperm bank. And he goes, no, I did. And then they go back and they're like, she's like, he's this, he has a business degree. And he's like, I do have a business degree, like, but I think did a follow up that they actually did a test eventually. And it's not his kid, right?

[B]

Well, it's definitely not his kid because she saw what the guys looked like. You have to see the kids.

[A]

No, she didn't. This is what you don't know really. They give you only baby photos. They give you baby photos or childhood photos. So you could kind of see like I told her, my friend who did it, okay. But she did it 22 years, 20 something years ago as a single woman. She was 40. And I go, how did you choose? And she said, I chose a sperm that, I mean, I chose a man. Which I only saw baby photos that looked like me because she was blonde and fair and she's just like, I want the baby to look like me if I'm gonna have a baby. And so I said that to Lala too. I'm like, you might want to like, you know, choose somebody that really kind of looks like you. And I said, and she said they only show you the like childhood photos. So you could kind of go, oh, this sort of looks or whatever. Because you could run into them, you could find them, you might recognize them from Tinder. Like it's to protect the donor.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

So I don't know if that works the same with eggs.

[B]

It doesn't.

[A]

But at least. And I think maybe any place could have their own rules.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? I think if, if it's like, hey, if you're willing to show your you at every stage in your life, then your egg will go more because. Go for more. Because people kind of really want to see how you grow up to be. I think anything can be negotiable. It's just up to your thing.

[B]

Yeah, I guess so.

[A]

Yeah. And like, so anyway, I think we. I think I read somewhere that eventually they're spoiler alert, they do do a DNA test or something. But the re. The reality of them springing on her in that moment was beautiful. Reality tv, like, and then when they reveal it like on the after show and the guys didn't know, like that is. That is not acting.

[B]

No.

[A]

And that was really. And they put them side by side and it's like.

[B]

And he looks exactly like the little girl. Yeah.

[A]

Like sparkling blue eyes and like fair and who knows? But you know, it's good that right now Kristen and she are getting along and Kristen Is not getting along with. What's her name? What's the girl's name?

[B]

Michelle?

[A]

Janice.

[B]

Janet.

[A]

Janet. Janet. And I thought this was. They have a pool party off camera, and Britney invites everybody. It's hot as shit. It's summer. Okay? I really felt for Janet in this story. So she invites Janet and she invites Kristen. And Kristen's like, janet better not be coming. And Brittany's like, oh, God, she's probably not gonna come. She always flakes. Don't worry about. She won't come. She won't come. Just come. She won't come, Janet. It's fucking hot as shit. It's the Valley. Brittany has a nice pool. She has a toddler. All kids want to do is go swimming. Okay? Okay. That's the scary part, because many of them can't swim. So it's like, not a good time for you until they're like 10, but they want to go swimming. And she goes, I went there. And Kristen's immediately like, what's she doing here? So she had to get her kid and leave. And when Janet said and wrote Brittany and was like, why did you invite me? Now my baby is crying. And, like, I just thought, britney, I know you have a heart, the heart the size of Kentucky, but, like, don't fucking do that when it involves kids in a pool.

[B]

Well, I don't think she thought it

[A]

was you don't invite two people. And then. And no, like, you need to go. Like, I. We've all had that situation where you either invite one or you go, are you guys cool to be together? And one says yes and one says no. And one goes, you know what? Invite them. I'm gonna bow out. You don't. And then say, bring your kids. Where a toddler is, like, all with his, like, little wings on. It's like, come on, that's awful. Anybody?

[B]

And Janet doesn't have a pool.

[A]

Janet, I wanna invite you to my pool party. I feel so bad. Like, I really feel badly. And then Brittany goes, and she has fun with a guy that she's no longer with, but they went to Cabo. And she's like, I got my sparkle back. And I mean. But I do. What I Now, what I actually really like about featuring Cruz is I'm thinking, like, he runs up to the camera. He has autism, and he runs up to the camera and she's laughing. I actually think in his case, it will be interesting if having the cameraman around, maybe that's beneficial. I think some people might have been like, this maybe isn't I don't know. Nobody's ever really tried it before, like, having other people around, and he seems to like them. Like, he seems to be, like, going up to them.

[B]

Jacqueline Laurita with her son on Jersey Housewives.

[A]

Remember, we didn't. I feel like we didn't see him that much. I don't know, because your brother has autism. So I kind of wanted to ask you, like, I don't know. I thought when she did the Sensory Room, I thought that was really cool. Yeah, that's coming up, I think. I don't know if she does. She goes. I put everything in his playroom, the way they do it at the therapy. And I thought that is really cool, because there's people at home that might really get some great ideas from her.

[B]

I think that's the biggest beneficial piece. And I think even with Jacquelyn, you know, I remember when she was going through that, and I'm still really good friends with Jacqueline to this day. When you see someone going through it, you just. You feel seen. Like, you get it, you understand, and then you see things that they're doing, and, you know, you're able to kind of support each other, even though it is kind of through the TV. And Brittany and I have DMed about it a bit, and, you know, I just told her. I was like, listen, I have every resource you could ever want. Just, you know, let me know what you need, and I'm here to help you at any point. Cause, I mean, it's tough. Um, and it's nice to see Cruz at least reacting in a positive way and not it being. Not being overwhelmed by the cameras, because it can go either way. But it seems like, you know, he's enjoying himself, and. And I would imagine that also, you know, makes things easier for her, too.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, she's just positive and doing on her own. I mean, do we know where Jax is?

[B]

Last we heard, he was, what, living in Tom Schwartz's apartment building? Remember when he moved?

[A]

I just wonder, like, I mean, it sounds like she's not getting support from him.

[B]

No.

[A]

And. And it sounds like he doesn't have an income.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know what. His podcast is gone. His tour got canceled. His. I don't know what he's doing. I mean, he's probably. I could see him doing, like, a Cam Soda deal. You know, Cam Soda is always reaching out to the reality stars to have Cam Soda.

[A]

Is this a joke? What is Cam Soda?

[B]

It's streaming. Like, adult streaming.

[A]

Oh, I thought you meant like a soda No, I was like. Like a soda drink. And I'm like, you know, like, poppy or something. I was like, what are you talking about?

[B]

Oh, well, I could see him going, who is the.

[A]

I hope Chad.

[B]

Bad Chad from the Bachelorette. He did. He pivoted to only fans. I could see Jax going in that direction.

[A]

Jen Shaw.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

She did her People magazine, which, by the way, I predicted that. I think I only said it at my live show in Salt Lake, but she was on the COVID of People or did a People interview, which they filmed. And the little bit that I saw. You know what? Don't miss you. No, don't miss you at all. Don't want her back on the show. Don't need her back. She still felt very. A little. Still no accountability. Like, not until I was, you know, walking to the courthouse did I realize that there were actual, real victims. So she's still not saying, like, we were scamming people, but I didn't think it would lead to, you know, them ending their life or being destitute. I just thought we were scraping from the top from a lot of people. Just be honest.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you're not being honest, so I don't want to see you ever again.

[B]

Yeah, well, that's why she's just like, you know, I didn't realize that what I was doing was wrong, and then I had to take accountability. Once I did realize it was wrong, it's like, no, you knew it was wrong because the feds were investigating you for years. And we saw the messages where you're instructing your team to get rid of the servers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You moved your operations over to Kosovo.

[A]

I mean, there were. They don't bring you. They don't put. Get put together a federal case because, you know, they were like, oh, she's on the Housewives and has a Gucci bag. Like, there's a lot.

[B]

So, yeah, they'd investigated, and she knew that they were going to come to her because all the other. All the other people that were part of this. Part of the other pieces of this fraud scheme, they were all going down, and they were all flipping on each other, so she was inevitably going to get pulled into it. And that's why she was like, I'm innocent, and I'm fighting for people that don't have the means. And it was just. It was such a bad look.

[A]

I don't think anyone want is. This is my prediction, and they're not always right. I don't think she's gonna be picked up for other shit. No, I don't think there's anything funny, juicy, compelling. Teresa, like, won our hearts over. She was interesting. Like, when her case was different. Yeah. And Teresa was bamboozled. And it wasn't a malicious thing that she was actively doing like this. That was your whole business, and you're walking around bragging that you're a businesswoman. And she was always screaming, and I always thought it was performance, so I never liked her. And I'm just like, I don't care about you and Coach Shaw and the Polynesian Cultural Center. I don't care what your life. I don't care about you. Please, please don't come back to Salt Lake.

[B]

I watched the full interview, and there were moments where she would. She's charismatic. And there were moments where I was like, oh, you know. And then I was like, no, Zach, she's a con woman. Like, this is what.

[A]

She turned you on.

[B]

No, I don't.

[A]

About the hemorrhoid pads that she put on the face.

[B]

Oh, that was funny. I was the Ulta of prison. I learned how to get hemorrhoid pads and use them as an astringent for your face. Like, there were just moments where I believed that she, you know, she looked good.

[A]

She looks really pretty.

[B]

She does look good. Where she's like, you know, the restitution. We're paying everybody. Like, there were just little moments where she would just come across soft. And then I was like, no, that's literally her whole thing. She's a con woman. She knows exactly what to say and how to. And, you know, how to lower her voice and, like, how to do all of these things to make you, you know, like her.

[A]

Taylor Frankenpaul. The latest is she says she's moved away from the Mormon Church, but she does believe in Jesus. And she did a whole thing that got, you know, a hundred thousand likes. She went away with her older kids and thanked some company that, I guess, sponsored her. And many people have been subpoenaed for the temporary restraining order that Dakota has tried to put on her. So they are going forward with that. Dakota's also been cut out of the villa. Footage of where the dad talks went to the villa, which is coming out. That happened. And also Jesse, who does hair, who had a affair with Marciana from the villa. They're posting that they're a couple now, and everyone's just like, exactly. Everyone is like, I think I'm tired.

[B]

Yeah, I'm exhausted. When I saw Jesse and Marciano at Sol Agave in Salt Lake City, and then Harry Jowsey's jumping in and he's like, like, commenting and posting, like, his text thread with them being like, what's going on? I was just like, I'm tired. Like, you guys are doing too much. And it's just like, it's fatiguing. Like, the only one I like is Whitney because she's just like, I'm out of this drama. I'm doing Broadway. I'm with Mark Ballas, and we're doing Roxy Hart, and, like, we want no part of that drama. And I'm like, you're the only one that I actually like even, like, right now, because the rest of them are doing TikToks and doing videos and, like, trying to, like, the Jessie stuff just looks so bad. Like, we don't like Jordan.

[A]

Jesse's stuff, I think is she's, like, scared that the show's gonna go away completely from Salt Lake City and only film in Orange county with the other girls that have moved and their new cast. And she.

[B]

Well, that's not even a real show yet.

[A]

Okay, well, I think she's striving, and I understand why. She's got kids. She has, you know, a couple baby daddies, I think. Or maybe she only has one. But anyway, she's a couple kids. She has this huge business. She cannot go pick up and go to LA for $100,000 a year to be on a show. So she's got to keep the filming in Salt Lake City. So I think she's doing whatever it is. And in the meantime, she was attracted to Marciano. So let them walk around and party. Who cares? I want to thank you so much for coming, Zach. Tell everybody where they can follow you. You do great work.

[B]

Yeah, great work taking down Blake Lively, the Sumir campaign. No, I'm just kidding. Zach Peter all over the Internet. My podcast is called no Filter with Zach Peter streams five days a week. YouTube, Spotify, Apple, all the places and

[A]

everything for me [e-mail] thank you so much. Love you. Bye.

[B]

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