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This episode of Juicy Scoop is brought to you by booking.com booking yeah, every time I use booking.com to find a place to stay in the US I know they'll have exactly what I'm looking for. They have a huge variety of options from hotels to vacation rentals and I'm always able to find something that fits my spec. I found that Booking.com has something for everyone. No matter who you are. Booking.com helps you find the stay that's ridiculously right for you. Find exactly what you're booking for on booking.com booking. Yeah, Heather McDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.
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Listen up. Hannah McDonald, juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I want to remind you guys I'm coming to the East Coast February 14th in New York City at the Palladium, Times Square. Saturday, February 15th, I'll be at the Lincoln center in D.C. and Sunday, February 17th, I will be in Red Bank, New Jersey. And then March 1st, I will be in Palm Springs. Everything is@heatherickdalln.net get those tickets now. Otherwise you're gonna end up crying about it and there's nothing I can do for you. But you won't be crying out because we have a real smart girl with us, Kate Casey of I'm Back. The Amazing Kate Casey has a great podcast, Reality Life with Kate Casey. She's been my friend for over 10 years, maybe even more like 12. And so of course we want to talk. Let's talk Everything about it. Congrats on your win.
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Thank you. Thank you very much.
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You are a Philly girl.
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Yes, I am.
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And your team won.
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We won.
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Now, yesterday, when I was walking the dog, which was Sunday, I was like, was it Philly? Like, what crazy east coast team was there this story that haunts me about once or twice a quarter, and that is a fan getting so excited that the team won that he went and ate the shit from the police horses. And so during the game that the party I was at, which everybody was a Philly fan. Oh, good. And I just wore my items that I had from when I was Taylor Swift two Halloweens ago. So Halloween and a half ago, Whatever last. And so I was like, oh, there'll be people rooting for the Chiefs. Whatever. I have a shirt. Go, Taylor's boyfriend. And I got there and I was like, oh, my God, I hope. But then they thought it was okay. Cause since I was, like, mocking him, they were like, I go, yeah, I'm mocking him. It's fine. Like, I'm not really for the Chiefs. But I pulled that up and I started to show the Philly people, and I go, do you remember this story? And nobody did.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. But there were, like, cows.
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2018.
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Oh, yeah.
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Well, you have to.
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You have to know that 2018, we had gone decades without winning. So that requires some people to eat tears. Like, we were out of our minds. We couldn't believe it. So that, like, doesn't shock me at all.
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I haven't heard any more accounts of horse poo eating this time, but a lot of crazy. A lot of crazy diet type of stuff.
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You know how you have your own algorithm? Like, everything in my algorithm is like, eagles, Eagles, Eagles. So I live in my own bubble where I think about them all the time. But it wasn't until I went to Canada, like, three weeks ago, my son was wearing an Eagle sweatshirt, and there were so many people that were coming up to him and saying things. And that was the first time I.
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Thought, like, pro Eagles or not for the Eagles. Then you realized, like, a cool thing.
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Oh, my God. I think everyone's for us.
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Yeah.
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Like, they're really for us. And then I really started to feel it, certainly in the last couple days.
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But, well, they killed it.
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Killed it.
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Taylor was not. Did she not come out in the halftime show? I never thought that.
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Well, did you see the moment when they. She got booed.
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She got booed, and she seemed surprised, which I think they were just. I don't think they were booing her. It was just more like, they're stupid and they're booing that she's obviously a Chiefs fan and her boyfriend.
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That's correct.
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What do you think about Travis showing up in his, like, 1970s, like, fancy outfit, like the Siren Live suit?
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My friend Chris said he looked like Ron Burgundy. I felt like Ron Burgundy if he was a pimp. Yeah, a little bit like that. He. When he left the game and he went into the suite with her.
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Yes.
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And the way he looked, like just a complete zombie. Like, surprised. It reminded me of a Real Housewife. How they think they killed it, and then the season starts to air, and then they're like, wait a minute. The audience is totally against me. I felt like that was like, the kind of the outlook. Like, they couldn't believe they lost.
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They couldn't believe that they lost. They couldn't believe it. Everybody was for the Lost by so much.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yes. Okay, so let's talk about. Oh, Giselle had her baby.
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Yeah. A boy, right?
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A boy named River. So of course that's on that trash. She moved on. And then Kendrick Lamar did his routine, you know, and his routine. He did his performance. And I know, you know, they're not like us. Like, I know those songs, you know, I was thoroughly entertained, but not till I woke up at one in the morning did I realize, oh, actually, this wasn't patriotic. This was not. Like, I was like, oh, look how nice it is, like. Cause I'm hearing. I'm just seeing, like, red, white, and blue and Uncle Sam, Samuel Jackson. So I'm like, oh, it's cool that everyone's becoming, like, way more, you know, go America. And then when I read all the stuff, I'm like, oh. It was like, really kind of.
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Well, he.
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The whole point is that it was, like, it was very negative towards.
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Well, I mean, patriotism, to me, is celebrating American values, which is free speech.
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Yeah.
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And he did win a Pulitzer Prize in 2018.
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Yes. And I was really cool to go and look at how. Because then I was, like, on TikTok, and I was seeing how everyone went through all the symbolism and everything that it meant and just what a lyrical genius he is and all of that, which I always think is really cool with hip hop. Like, there was a class that you could take at my son's high school that was, like, hip hop lyricism. Yeah. And history, and just sort of the same way we would dissect, like, Shakespearean plays and where the language felt so different from today, but you could, like, figure. Oh, they're actually talking about this. Whatever. So that was really cool. But then there was a lot of talk of, like, the songs were not popular enough for the general public. Because we normally get, like. I mean, if you're comparing it to, like, Dr. Dre, which had that hip side.
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Yeah.
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But then also, everybody knew it from, like, 65 to 10. Everyone knew those songs. That was the only one.
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Well, I presume part of that is that it's really difficult to get people to want to perform. Which sounds crazy because it's the highest honor in music, really, to be asked to do the Super Bowl. But you don't get paid. Well, like the weekend, right?
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Like $600 or something.
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Yeah, it was like $1,000 a day scale union. But the Weeknd actually used a lot of his own money for the performance. So you have that. And also the pressure. I mean, like, for example, Saturday Night Live, if you and I were asked to be hosts, we would be like, duh. Yeah. But a lot of performers freak out and they're like, I don't wanna do live tv. So I think the pressure that comes with performing, that a lot of people don't wanna do it. And you don't wanna be like, repeat, you know, so.
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Well, I thought. I mean, I thought it was great. I didn't realize.
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I thought the dancing at the time.
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I didn't realize that the thing was the PlayStation. I missed all that. Cause I'm like, at a party and people are talking.
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Yeah, that'd be hard.
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But, like, I enjoyed it. I thought I did great. I thought it was cool. But I didn't really understand what was going on until, like, I, you know, read about it. I guess.
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That's fun, though. Cause I found out only a lot of the nuances between himself and Drake. And, like, the Serena Williams part, my friend.
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Yeah.
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So Serena used to explain this to me.
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Serena used to date Drake, but he.
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Went crazy because she broke it off. And he was obsessed with her. And he would diss her and her new. Her husband in his music.
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Drake would, like, anywhere.
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He's like one of those people who is all emotion and really gets wound up when a girl, like, breaks it off. And, like, he has a whole history with Rihanna, for example. And like, Rihanna and Serena Williams are like, I have my own thing.
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And then he has a whole history with the girl Millie Brown. Millie Brown.
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Millie Bobby Brown.
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Yeah. They were just really good friends. She was 13.
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And he was talking about being in the biz together.
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Yeah, they were just talking on the phone a lot yeah.
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My friend Chris told me that apparently he has a room in his house with Chanel bags for the wife that he doesn't have yet. What do you think about that? Isn't that weird? You know how I always say it's like the smart thing to say so much about somebody like that?
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Yeah.
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But also, that's like.
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That's also like, a move every girl you date. Like, I remember I dated this really rich guy when I was a senior at usc, and he went on to marry a girl who has a fabulous life. But whatever. He was very rich, and he was, like, 40. But I went on a date with him. I met him at Trader Vic's one night. And on the first date, like, I drove to the house. It was in the Palisade, probably not there anymore. And, like, each door was, like, you know, several thousand pounds. I'd never experienced that. There was a couple that worked there together. You know, like a man and woman.
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Like butler and like a manager. Like a house manager.
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I loved it. But anyway, we gave me two of the house, and then he went. We went to the woman's closet where there was, like, the fur section and everything. And he was like, do you think you could fill this one day? So I think it's like a move. Like, on the first date with my husband, Peter, he's like, talking about his work, and he used to travel a lot for work. And he goes, I like to fly first class. Do you like to first class?
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I remember you telling me that.
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And I was like, I've never been in first class.
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He's like, well, buckle up, girl.
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And actually, we did go on first.
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Class for a honeymoon. Right.
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But I had never. But it was one of those, like, stupid. Drop those. No. Like, someone's gonna be like, actually, now I enjoy, like, a middle seat. Like, no. So I think he's probably doing that because he can, and he knows that it just. If the girls weren't going to sleep with him before going over, like, they would. And then. But the whole A minor thing. And the necklace.
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Yeah, like, savage.
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Yeah, that. Because he took out the word pedophile because I guess Drake was gonna sue him or is suing him because he has that word about Drake in one of his songs.
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Yeah.
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And. But then he still kept enough about what he thinks. And then other people are like, oh, my God, let it go. Move on. You know, keep Drake's name out of your mouth. But most people are, like, loving all of it. I mean, you were part of it. Like, the reaction of people that have been following their. But I, but I still was like, why do they hate each other? So I looked and I looked and I looked and I guess at one time Drake said that Kendrick Lamar himself and somebody else are the top three rappers. And then Kendrick Lamar is like, no, I am, I'm the top. And that was how the fight started. I don't know, I'm probably getting it completely wrong, but I think it's like.
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What we obsess about with reality shows. It's like all the little nuances. But I think at the core of it, it probably gets under Drake's skin that Kendrick is kind of what he wishes he could be. The lyricist and has the personal story that makes sense to be the rapper.
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Right. He's from Compton.
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The storyteller.
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Drake, who's from Canada West Hill Child.
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And like was super wealthy.
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So. And he was on the little kid.
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It's his Degrassi. I think he has an imposter syndrome.
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Drake.
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Yeah.
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Well, I met Drake at a Kardashian Christmas party and he was a total delight and took a photo with my Drake and Brandon.
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Why was that not your holiday card?
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You know, I have given it to the boys so they have it to use when they need cred. But they're very little in the photo. But yeah, I mean so I, I don't know. But I, I was like, you know, found it interesting and then just like anything else they know that it's exciting. But then all like the, you know, game over, turn off the tv, you know, get ready for the revolution. All that kind of stuff is, is cool. But I think a lot of they went over most people's heads, including my own.
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And it's kind of fun though, like in the aftermath of it it was a little the Easter. I think we live in an Easter egg time.
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Yes.
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Taylor Swift does that all the time too. And I think it's fun in the day after putting all the puzzle pieces together.
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Right? Yeah. So that was cool. This girl, Jordan Hudson, the 24 year old dating 72 year old bill Belichick. Supposedly she has an engagement ring on. She was in the Dunkin Donuts commercial with Ben Affleck standing next to her boyfriend.
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Yeah.
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So she is 100% getting everything she needs to out of this.
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Why has someone not pitched a reality show about these two?
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Well, she will probably say yes and he'll probably go along with it. He'll go on and I think he's like, I don't care. Like she is into me. It's Fun. I've got, you know, 15 years left on this earth. This is who I want to hang with. I don't care what anyone says. I mean, whether she was 24 or 40, who the fuck cares? He's not dating a 70 year old. That's that.
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Yeah, even if he's dating a 50.
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Year old, people wouldn't make a big deal about it. But still, that's 22 years difference. If he was dating a 50 year old woman, that is still a huge age difference. So once you get to like 40, 50 years, who cares?
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I also think he, now that he's coaching at UNC and he's around all these college kids and he's recruiting lacrosse players, like he's got the young girlfriend. This may add a couple years onto his life. Yeah, right.
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Why not? Yeah, but then you're her friend and you're like, can Bill like bring over his players and not. Yeah, his contemporaries? Because I don't want to hang with those grossies. Okay. Then the Kanye commercial. Did you see the Kanye commercial?
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I think I did. Tell me.
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So he all of a sudden, the middle of the Super Bowl, Kanye pops up and he says it's a iPhone video of himself. And he goes, I spent all my money to buy this commercial and to show you my new teeth. And whatever they were, they're just look like weird. He looks like a New Jersey house husband. A Real Housewives of New Jersey, but worse. Anyway, who knows what they were. But. And then it just goes yeezy.com.
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That'S all he said?
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Yes. But then what I found out this morning is when the people that clicked on it, there's only one item for sale.
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Oh no. What is it?
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The Nazi symbol on a white T shirt.
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Why are we giving this guy any ounce of attention?
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So then some people are like, why are not more outraged and not talking about it? And then I'm like, well, I see why, because we don't want to give him any attention. But then I feel like we have to say something because it's so gross and gotten so out of hand. And he was ranting all weekend with the most horrific stuff that he was saying about some of the things he was saying. He was like asking Trump to free Diddy, saying his friends are not sticking up for him. He was. Then Diddy's attorneys came out and blasted him. Then he was talking about Bianca. He did end up, finally they kicked him off of X. Finally Eli or somebody was like, or enough people wrote. I think David Schwimmer was writing Stuff.
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I think I saw that.
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And finally or he voluntarily left. He was gone as of, you know, Monday morning. One of the other things he said about his wife. Here's a tweet. I have dominion over my wife. Well, I don't even know what that means. Dominating. Is that a version of dominating?
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What I was trying to say. I have control over my wife.
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This ain't no woke as feminist shit. She's a billionaire. Why would she listen to any of you dumb ass broke, I guess. Bitches. People say the red carpet look was her decision. Yes. I don't make her do nothing she doesn't want to. But she definitely wouldn't have been able to do it without my approval. You stupid ass woke pawns. I have no respect or empathy for anyone living because no one living can f with me. But I do love some people and I give them a favor.
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By the way, shame on all those media outlets that posted those pictures. She's clear.
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I posted it.
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She's clearly a woman who's being controlled. That's humiliation.
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Is that bad?
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Yes, that's public humiliation of a woman.
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I don't. Okay, well, then. Then I'm sorry, but I mean, I don't know when it happened. The night of the Grammys and I even talked about it with Chris. I go, I'm surprised. Like, they're letting me put this on. On Instagram.
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I know they're all complicit, but I did it.
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So are you mad at me?
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Yes. Okay, not mad mad, but I just don't think all the media outlets. Well, you know what?
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I'm gonna remove it.
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I feel badly for her.
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Wait, hold on. Let me focus. I really am. Hold on. You know what? She's gotta leave now, though. Now she needs to leave. Okay, now if you don't leave, then you're just as bad as him.
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I wouldn't say that. I think it's really hard when a woman's being controlled.
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So now here's my next thing. Okay. You know, I've talked about this like Kim, my God, I don't think there is a worse person to co parent with in the world right now that's a celebrity besides Kanye. And I know she's in a hard position because her kids, I'm sure, want to see their dad. And I'm sure North is, you know, she's now a momager to North. And north definitely has her own mind at 13. But if I was Kim, if I was Kim, this would be it. I would be doing ex parte in court. Changing whatever custody arrangement we had. And I'd be like. I'd be like, my kids cannot be around him.
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No.
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You know, look at what he's saying. And even if he doesn't really feel this way about Jewish people, he's at the verge of, like, he could just kill them all. Nannies are not. Security guards are not. Like, I. I'm not letting my kids be around this person that is that. And I'd be like, I'm sorry, north, if you're mad at me for it. Like, your dad is insane. And if you can't explain to your kid why you can't be around someone that is saying this stuff and I don't care, you could someone go, well, it's for pr. It's publicity. He's selling a shirt.
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I know. It's despicable.
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So it's like, it's disgusting. And not enough people are enraged about it.
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And it's not the problem with people like that because they say it so often. People sort of become.
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And then again, I get it. We don't want to give him attention. I understand that aspect of it, too, but. And maybe if you're friends with the Kardashians, they're like, please don't talk about it. You know, it's not like Khloe's gonna talk about this on her podcast. I mean, you know, I get it, but, like, I am, because this is just disgusting. And as a mom, I'd be like, no, my kids are not going to be around you. Like I said, with security guards or not, you're not gonna see him until he gets evaluated. And if any of. He's like, I have been evaluated, and this is the way I feel. Well, people do feel that way, and it doesn't mean they're crazy. There are hateful, awful people, and he might just be a hateful, awful person.
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Well, also, you see him psychologically destroying a woman in front of us, let alone what he must do to his own kids in privacy. This is what he does publicly to a woman. Think about what he would do behind closed doors.
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Yeah, so that was awful. That was. This was kind of interesting. Just for fun, she had a. These pants on that someone caught, which are these shorts that got a little hole in the front for a strap on. And she was wearing them out because.
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He likes to humiliate her.
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Or he likes that, probably. But why would he likes that? I mean, Amber Rose said that he liked it in a tweet a long time ago.
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She did?
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Yeah. That's fine. I guess a lot of guys like that with girls to be wearing strap ons.
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Well, we know he has a history of telling the women that he's with what to wear. He likes to control even all aspects of their life, including what they can wear in public.
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Right. With. Even with the Julia Fox when she talked about that one month with him. Kris Jenner is selling her $13.5 million home. This is the black and white Florida home that she left and Rob has been living in for like the last like eight years.
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Oh, he has been.
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Yeah. And so she's selling that. And so I watched the Hulu latest episode of the Kardashians. This is a premiere episode. I have not really watched it since they've been on Hulu.
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Oh, really?
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And I just was like, I'm like, I was looking around and it popped up on Hulu. I'm like, I'm gonna watch it. And in the episode, Chloe goes over to Malika's house, her friend, and they arrange for Lamar, her ex husband, to come over because she has some of his old stuff and obviously they paid him to make this appearance and obviously he needs the money to do it. So she gets over there. You said you watched it too. And she says, I haven't seen him in nine years. So they were divorced already when he went to the brothel in Vegas and, and basically died. And they brought him back to life. He was on so many drugs and had a heart or stroke, whatever. They, you know, the family gathered around, they took care of him in the hospital. They found another house in Calabasas. They got custom furniture made because he's so tall. Took care of him and everything. And she was. Kept coming over and then she says in the show, and then one day I came over and he was doing stuff he shouldn't be doing. I assume she means drugs.
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Yeah.
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So that's when she like kicked him out. Hasn't seen him in nine years. I was under the impression that he like was owning Rehabs and stuff or maybe he was the face of Rehabs recently, something like that. Yeah, I don't know when this was filmed, but it felt like that's maybe not what he's doing right now.
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Well, so it was. Was that in an attempt to do some sort of brand crossover? Like.
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No, they don't talk about, they don't talk about the rehab or anything. It seemed like he was kind of fucked up, to be honest. So he comes over, he's profusely sweating, and she's like, what are you going to talk this low. Like, we're filming a show here. And I'm like, I remember when they had the Chloe Lamar show, and it had to be all in subtitles because you couldn't. He was a mumbler, and you couldn't understand him. And so I'm watching it with Peter, and we went to the wedding all those years ago after they'd only dated for 30 days and got married. Got married at the Azoff's house, Irving Azoff's house.
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Was everybody around you like, wait, what's going on? What's happening here?
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Um, yeah, it seemed crazy, but it.
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Felt like she was like, so here's the thing.
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Here's the thing. It's all part of the mom. Like, one thing about Chris. And I remember thinking this. What? I remember the first time I met her, and I was like, wait a minute. Kim got married to this guy Damon, who had four kids when she was 18, secretly in Las Vegas, like, you were going insane. And she was like, well, you know, I. You know. No, I was gonna be there for, like. I guess she didn't say this, but I guess she figured I'm gonna be there when they break up. Like, I'll. So if I condemn her now and it's already done, it's hard. So I get that it was already done. And then she did break away. But in this particular one, I feel like, from what I remember, Chloe really hadn't had, like, a real boyfriend. And he was so into her.
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B
Yeah.
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And it was, like, the height of the Lakers. They had the show. I truly believe they were, like, in love. And there's couples that get married that quickly and everything. But here's what I'm gonna say in watching this interaction. Regardless, if he had ever taken a drug or cheated on her, and they were married for now 15 years and had two teenage kids, they'd be divorced today for sure, because she was 24, and he was this basketball player, and it was sexy and it was fun, but he's still stuck in there. He's still stuck in that time. He shows up wearing a shirt with himself on it, and she's embarrassed. She's like, oh, you're wearing yourself on a shirt. And then she's like, can you speak up? And she's, like, annoyed and not attracted at all. Like, purposely wore, like, jeans because he was always, like, rubbing her legs and stuff. Like, I remember. And so she was like, I don't even want to, like, show my legs or how I think that I'm, like. At all. Yeah. Like, if they were together like any other couple, she would have completely outgrown him. She, you know, is a businesswoman. She's really smart, very likable, you know, and, you know, huge with the American good, American Gene company. Everything else she's done. So a mom, also a mom at.
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A Crazy thinking about her own daughter, like, why, what am I doing here with this person who doesn't represent who I am? Now, she.
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I mean, listen, you know, not that she needed him to have done drugs or almost died, but sometimes you gotta be. Sometimes you gotta be grateful for someone treating so badly that you could walk away, because if he didn't do all those awful things, if he had, like I said, never cheated, you know, and they were lamb lamin, and she's got that loyalty, she probably would be in a marriage with a guy that she totally does not respect, is annoyed by, and thinks is dumb.
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I think that's why everyone likes her so much, is that they just want her to win so much.
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A
Yeah. But I'm like, she should seriously be grateful that he showed himself.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So quickly on before she had his kid and everything else, because then she probably would have given him a million extra chances because he's the dad and da, da, da. Or she would have been doing all that stuff for his family.
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B
You know, it'd be interesting to hear. Hear her give advice to, like, Paige desorbo.
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A
Yes.
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B
Because people are so in arms about Paige and Craig breaking up and the reason they must have.
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A
But I want to hear about Paige, and let's jump to that. Paige, of course, we've talked about. She's from Summer House, he's from Southern Charm. We talked about their breakup. He went on Watch what Happens Live recently, and I thought it was really great because he shared. Yeah, she did break up with me. And then I did do an interview a couple days after she broke up with me, but we weren't public, and I didn't know if we possibly could get back together. So I played along that we weren't broken up, but that seemed to irritate her. So he was responding to a podcast that she did where she's like, I didn't cheat. And you knew we were broken up, and you still acted like we didn't. So now he has to respond to that. But. But the thing that he said on Watch what Happens Live, which was really good. And he's like, am I supposed to defend what people are saying, like, on Reddit? Yeah, I'm not. Like, I was very, you know, he was very classy when they broke up. He's been classy this whole time. He doesn't know if there was something else going on. She's gone up and down and said it hasn't been. There's somebody named Joe people think she's seeing or saw. Who cares? They're broken up. They had a nice three year relationship that didn't last forever. They're both like, well, I think you.
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B
And I kind of agree on this, that sometimes there's a person that's great to date but not to marry. And it's easy to get married. It's hard to get divorced. So I feel like Chloe would say yes. Chloe would count this as a blessing that you guys were able to figure out this now and not. And save each other the headache. Because I think he ultimately wants to get married and have kids. And she didn't feel like it was the right time and place or whatever. It's a blessing in the end because she points them to the person they're supposed to be with.
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And she probably was like, why am I resisting this? Yeah, there's a reason why. You know, it's like when someone, you know, like when you're dating a bunch of people. I remember when I asked my sister when she was dating her husband and then they got, you know, engaged or whatever. I'm like, well, how do you know he's the one? Like, we've dated. We both had dated so many people. And she's like, cause it's easy. Like, I didn't have to think about one thing. I didn't have to think about if he was into me, I didn't have to think. If I was into him, I didn't have to think.
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B
True.
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A
Will he make a good husband? Are we gonna have a night? Like, I just didn't have. There was no, you know, and that's why. Where I think it was like. And then also you have. You know, it's hard when you're a public figure, a public couple that's like, loved like them.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So you have all the people cheering them on and all the people, like, can't wait for it. And I think she really did have fun and liked him and everything. But she wants.
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B
You can't stay with somebody because you don't want to disappoint other people.
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A
Right.
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B
You can't. You gotta live for your. I think they should make her the bachelor Bachelorette because they put the bachelorette on hold for another year. And I think it's because gen trans season was so bad.
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A
They. I didn't even hear about it. Exactly. Yeah.
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B
So they usually go off the success of the last season to propel the new one. They should make Paige the new Bachelorette because then you could have Hannah Berner and all of her friends kind of come and participate. It would help that show grow. But they should give Craig a spin off on Bravo dating show. And I think the women would come out of the woodwork to want to do that.
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A
The only thing about having Paige on is that she's just. I'm never going to believe that she's into any guy that would go on the back.
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B
But that would be so funny. We're not thinking she's going to marry somebody. I'm just saying entertaining tv like her quips. It should just be a show funny.
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A
Who will page go on a one week vacation with because that's gonna Then it's like, okay. Because we all know she's never gonna marry some guy that was at that level of thirst to go on the Bachelor and leave. Whatever. And if he did it, he didn't have a good enough job. He's not a powerful enough people person with his own.
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B
The good people at the Bachelor don't think those relationships will last either. They just want to make an entertaining TV show. So I think that would be entertaining.
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A
I'm just thinking for her own brand, she can't. She doesn't want to be inauthentic to her people. So, you know, it has to be.
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B
Something just like you're also year two year commitment too. They might try to say, well, you can't film anything else. And she's.
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A
Yeah, she's got too much going on and it's like I don't think she wants to. And also she's, you know, I guess she's freezing her eggs or whatever. But still that doesn't give you all the time in the world. You still like, you know, but still it gives you. It does give you buy you some time. So if you freeze your eggs, she.
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B
Should marry the person that she feels. Right. And she didn't take out all the noise.
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A
You should have fun.
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B
Yeah.
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A
For like another year and a half.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But whatever. So that was kind of interesting.
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B
You know the horniest people are who those that are newly single, sometimes divorced women, but like newly single and women that are ovulating horniest. Yeah, I know. I've been there five times.
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B
Gents talk.
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A
Gents talk. I thought it was like breaking news. Yeah. I thought he agreed to give his one and only interview to probably this guy. Either he gave Justin a kidney we don't know about.
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B
Right.
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A
Or.
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B
Right.
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A
Or at one time they were lovers. I don't know because I'm like, who is. You're not going to go to like Joe Rogan. You're not going to go to like something where everyone's going to hear your side in like a half a second. We're going to have to search it out. But you told me it's your understanding that this was recorded a while ago.
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B
November of last year.
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A
So he alludes to the lawsuit before.
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B
The lawsuit, but after the trauma, before the lawsuit and the complaint. But bad PR and all that anxiety, a very difficult year. So at this point, everyone's looking for any social media clip. And yeah, I don't know why that show didn't put the interview out in November of 2024. That, to me is a big question.
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A
Maybe they were just like, yeah, like, I know I would have been like the minute. But maybe that's. That's the lesson. To people, like, maybe wait till it even gets bigger to plop it, you know?
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B
I mean, think about that, though.
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A
What if he's crying about. Is just like, you know, his dog died.
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B
Right, right, right.
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A
It wasn't even, like, had anything to do with, like, you know, I was treated so badly on this last project I did or whatever. So AI found this. This is what they're saying. This is from Truth or Lie. AI.
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B
Oh, I saw.
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A
Whatever. So this is a video of Blake doing another interview. There's so many coming up. And she says that the rooftop scene was written 90% by Ryan Reynolds. And I totally believe that with the crypto bro line and the laughing and all this other stuff, because she felt that her character wouldn't have fallen for this gorgeous neurosurgeon. Neurosurgeon that looks perfect.
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B
Was hanging out something like she would have. That her character, Lily Bloom would have noticed red flags earlier or would have busted his balls.
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A
No, like, anyway, so she says that it was him. That. So I'm like, okay, so now you know. Now we know. Like, Taylor has all these reports had come out before the super bowl that Tate. Well, she didn't invite Blake and Ryan to the super bowl, but also that she's, like, annoyed and. Why are you dragging me into this weird thing? I just too. Yeah, I think she just thought it was like, you know, she had this fun friend. It's fun to have a famous friend. They probably had some chuckles and laughs for her. It was cool to be around. Like, she probably loved Deadpool as well, thought he was funny, came over and was like, oh, my God, how cool that I'm seeing this script before. Yeah. Like, but she's not. She's basically saying, yeah, it's Ryan. And we know how Ryan writes stuff and everything. We know that then at the same time the movie was even done, he decided to add this whole nice pool character, which was making fun of Justin. So it's. It's.
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B
Can you imagine?
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A
She's just telling. She's just. There's so many clips of her telling on herself that it's, like, unbelievable.
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B
Can you imagine? He gets rights to the movie in 2019. You work all of those years, this is your project. You're like, this is my launch pad to something. And then to have someone rewrite, redo things, it's just like slipping through your fingers. It's like quicksand. Right. Like, you thought you had something, and then it's just disappearing in front of you.
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A
Yeah. So, you know, we. I mean, listen, if the trial doesn't go on. You know, I actually, I'm starting to.
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B
Think the trial will happen. I know there's a 92% chance of settlement, but right at this point where so many people are invested in the story, you have to have both sides to agree to settlement. And at this point, I don't know.
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A
It'S weird that we don't have all the stories in the clips of people being like, I worked with Justin and he's a nightmare.
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B
I still feel like, so where are those? I wish we could fast forward to the end of it all because we don't have all of the discovery, you know, so it's hard really, really to say who wins at this point. But at this point, in terms of a PR war, it does feel like he's winning.
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A
Oh yeah.
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B
And there are two aspects of it that I find really interesting. Obviously, the power dynamic. I think a lot of people can relate to that in a place of business where you may have to placate someone because there's a difference in power. But the other part of it is, and you totally relate to this, is how traditional PR has changed in an Internet era. Like, the Internet is almost like a destruction machine. And you have old school publicists who used to represent maybe a couple a listers who could make a call to a traditional media company and say, kill this story or do a softball interview and then I'll give you access to my other client. And they need content so they're a little bit more willing to placate. But now everyone in the comments has their own social media channel.
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A
Right?
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B
So Mary 816 on TikTok is like, I don't give a shit who you are, publicist. I'm gonna say what I want because my opinion is getting attention. And the more controversial opinion that you have in the Internet, the more virality you have. So that to me is what's really interesting too is the power shift in traditional media versus the social media era.
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A
Yeah, totally. And you know, and just like she got wrapped up in like, you know, this vengefulness to go after him, her and Ryan to go after Justin because she felt there was whatever, a campaign against her or she was reading the hate pages about herself. And we've all been there and it is, it gets in your head. And same thing happened with like Paige and Craig. You know, they were reading their own weird stuff of people saying, and she page, I didn't cheat. And then, you know, it's like, well, why aren't you defending? Why aren't you standing up Craig and saying, hey, she didn't cheat. And he's like, who? Who's saying the story? Some random, like blind item that then had, you know, 300 comments under like. And I've been there too, where someone's like, you need to stand up and be like, settle down, juicy scoopers. And I'm like, no, I'm not drawing attention to something that's not significant. There's no proof to it. There's nothing. You know, it isn't a trial. It's not, it's just, it's just the talk. But you, when you're in it, it.
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B
Can be consuming, it can be really hard.
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A
And it really is important that when someone is in that place that they really just put away their phone for a couple weeks.
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B
I think in a lot of cases, the best crisis PR advice you can give to a client is to play the short game, is to just disappear for a while.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But for somebody who is an actor who is getting feeds off, you know, the attention from their work and their personality, that's near impossible for them.
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A
You know, Stassi did it really well. She did do it well because. Because she went away for a little bit and then she was pregnant and she's walking around and she's with her husband, or maybe they weren't married yet, but they were together and she's pregnant. And it just, it showed. Like, wait a minute. Like, we love this girl. She's given us entertainment. Now she's finally becoming a mom.
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B
Offered her the opportunity to have some introspection and to have a moment and recalibrate and think about where she wanted to move her career. Didn't she write books after that?
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A
Yeah, I mean, she really had a, like, she really had a great comeback from what that time of like, quick to cancel people was, you know, that 2020 time. And. But like in this now, because you've put out, you know, this lawsuit that anyone now can talk about you, you chose to do it this way, thinking that they would either just crush him or he'd skittle away or whatever. And he didn't. And now, and now, I mean, that's.
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B
Why people really have to message, emails, personal communication is all fair.
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A
And I think we've all been there in this business where people are like, you should sue. You should sue for defamation. You should. And you're. And there's times where you're like, yeah, fuck this motherfu. And then you think about it, you're like, okay, wait a minute. What does that really look, like, what would that really gain for me?
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B
You're gonna spend so much money on this lawsuit.
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A
And where is this gonna. Is this gonna keep me up at night? Yes. Is this gonna be creatively debilitating for me? Yes. So it's better sometimes to lick your wounds and just shut the fuck up and go away.
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B
Yeah. But it'll also be interesting to see the two different worlds, like, the implications for them in the public spotlight, but also within the entertainment industry.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, how many people who have positions of power in the entertainment industry want to work with either of them?
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A
The other thing I saw someone talk about is how, like, millennial couples, them being one of them, and they were kind of leaders of it. Would, like, talk about, like, how they, like, hate their spouses or hate their kids. Like, he has all these, like, tweets and funny jokes.
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B
I think he's just odd, though.
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A
Yeah. Of like, you know. You know, not liking his.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like, his kids or she said, you know, he'd leave me in a burning building or whatever. I don't know.
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B
I mean, in other words, if they weren't famous and you saw those comments, you'd be like, what a weirdo.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Right, Right.
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A
They just get into this thing where she. Again, I just don't think she's anywhere to the level that, like, Scarlett Johansson was as far as, like, intellectually.
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B
Also, by doing all this, it's. It almost opens the. The door for people to start picking away at their marriage dynamics.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And whether or not there are control issues. So that's. That's the decision that unfortunately, some people make in that in the pursuit of a lawsuit, that there's this other aftermath that comes with it.
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A
I. Yeah. I don't know. I don't even know if it's possible, like, she could now just go to him, have them go and be like, what can we do? Because it's like, there's too much pain that has been caused.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It's like, if right away she was like, okay, I'm taking it back, or whatever. But now there's too much that he'd be like, no. Because now he only has something to gain. He already lost the three jobs. He already got dumped by William Morris. Now he is producing Scarlett Johansson's first directorial debut. Now the work is gonna start to come. Everybody's like, now. Cues the underground to settle. Now it's like, go for it. Now everyone is like, no, he's a really nice guy. And it's just, like, absolutely awful. So meanwhile, Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick when does this movie, a simple favor 2 come out?
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B
I didn't watch it, so I don't know.
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A
I guess she didn't die in it. I guess it was like her twin sister that died or something. I don't know.
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B
I don't even know what the movie's about.
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A
Oh, I loved the movie. Cause she played like a bitch in it. It was just perfect. And they have weird moments on the couches doing interviews too. Every interview that. That Blake Lively does is weird, my friend. But they're saying they don't have any beef. They're good. And I'm like, of course Annie Kendrick's.
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B
Gonna be like, they gotta promote the movie.
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A
Yeah. And like, I again, don't drag me into your bullshit. You know, what do you think they said that Jenny Slate, who plays Justin's sister in the movie and her best friend. It ends with us. That she would be called to be deposed from both sides. Because originally, right off the bat, she was team Blake. And now she's probably like, oh, my God, keep me out of this.
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B
Without question. She's like, this is a nightmare.
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A
Yeah, I chose the wrong side.
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B
Well, I chose the wrong movie to work on.
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A
Right.
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B
My friend Hilary shepherd says has the funniest term. Actresses that play. Basically play themselves in every role are self actresses. Is that I feel like Blake is like that. Like, the roles that she really nails are the ones where that's mostly her. That's why she says in those clips, like, I weave myself into it. It's like you're actually cast for roles that probably you're much like.
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A
And I think all the weird choices for the clothes was her trying not to be herself. So she was like a little. Oh, my God, that's great. Like this funky kind of dressing with the two pants and all that.
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B
Tell them about the pantyhose thing you told me in the pajamas.
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A
Oh, yes. So, okay, so after the first night that they, like, spend the night together. I don't know if they bone or just whatever, but she comes out wearing pajama pajamas. And. And that's when the sister discovers that they hung out together. Whatever. She's wearing pajamas. And someone discovered that she has her black fishnets on under the silky pajamas after spending the night with Justin Baldoni's character for the first time. So in the movie, she's wearing fishnets with these two 700 ISE Laurent fishnet diamond boots.
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B
Stupid.
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A
That she wears to the party. And so that means either they messed around with the fishnets on, and then she put on Pajamas and slept with fishnets and pajamas on.
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B
Like, or as you said. Or you're just a lazy actress.
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A
You're the lazy actress. And also that the wardrobe person at that point had checked out and wasn't looking at, like a consistency moment like that. Like, wait, you know, remember this is. You know, there's always this stuff that happens. And when you, like, film the other scene, they have to check and make sure, like, the hair is exactly the same or like your collar was out, not in. And then there was like, we took a class at SC where we would like, oh, cool. Figure out, oh, my God, that's an edit mistake. Look, they went back and now the sheet's off her boob. Now it's on, like all this weird stuff. And you see it in reality shows too. And that's when you know. Or like the nail plot, like, you know, they actually went back and redid a whole scene. When you see that, like, the nail polish is a different color or a whole nail is chipped or something, that's when you're like, oh, they re. They redid that. You know, they had them come.
- [49:47]
B
And that made me laugh when you said that. Or you're just like a lazy actress.
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A
Yeah, you're just lazy. You're like, well, I don't feel like. I don't feel like taking these off. And I'm just gonna keep these on because we just fit in the other scene with the fishnets on. So, yeah, very weird shit like that. This was interesting. This is from the first degree TikTokers. Or maybe they have a show, I don't know. But they brought up.
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B
She's so pretty that I.
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A
This girl, Marina Bakarin, she was in the latest Deadpool, okay? And there was a blind item saying that they were not getting along a while back, okay? And she was not part of the press and she was on the red carpet, like, by herself.
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B
Get her on the horn.
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A
And so something happened there where maybe, you know, he either didn't like her or maybe Blake was jealous of that and it was a tit for tat. Like, she's not gonna be part of it or who knows. Who knows why this rumor and if it's in fact true. We haven't heard from her. I don't know. But I would like someone to delve more into it. But the first degree girls figured it out first, but here it is. Yeah. What happened there? What was her experience? And why wasn't she a bigger part of, like, doing press with him?
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B
And that's awful.
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A
Too, with Ryan.
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B
And by the way, again, I feel like people relate to that in all kinds of businesses that you're in. Like, when somebody has more power than you and you feel like you can't say your honest opinion because it's gonna create a situation where you're not hired for a new job. Like.
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A
Yeah. Especially as a woman, you never want to be perceived as difficult. Like, difficult. Like, I remember I was doing a. I was doing a show at the. At a Comedy Store in San Diego, and there was a comedy condo, and I was with my friend who was opening for me, and it was. The condo was, like, the middle part. And then we each had our, like, own bedrooms, and we said goodnight, and she was gonna leave early in the morning, and then I went to bed, and then I heard the front door open and shut. And I was like, well, I know she hasn't left yet because it's like 1:30. And I was like, that's weird. And I just remember, like, God said to me, just stay quiet. Just stay quiet. What? And so I did. And I just told myself she must have just been checking her suitcase or something in the hallway. And I just told myself that I didn't call out to her or anything. So the next morning, I wake up and she's gone and flying back to Denver. And I start driving and she. I go, oh, you. Did you make it there? Yes. And she goes. She goes, the weirdest thing happened last night. She goes, I feel like someone came in our. Our condo. And I go, that wasn't you opening the front door? And she's like, no.
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B
Oh, my God.
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A
And so we talked about it, and I'm like, we thought somebody at the club, maybe they didn't change the combo because they're supposed to do it every week, like an Airbnb or whatever. And maybe they thought we weren't staying there or. And they could stay there for the night. Or maybe something more sinister was on this person's mind. I don't know. And then, of course, my mind went to a whole different way of like, oh, my God, what if I had come out, I'm like, and you heard me being killed? Would you have jumped out the window, like, of yours? Like, what? Like, I thought of, like, all the crazy shit, because I would have been like, what the hell are you doing? And then it's a guy freaks out, thinking I'm gonna, like, get him fired at the. You know, at the comedy club or whatever. So I think about it and I. At the time, this is only, like, A few years ago, I was so conscious of, like, not being difficult as a female. As a female comic, you know, whatever. So I finally tell. I look and I see that another girl is headlining in, like, two weeks. And I'm like, I gotta say something. I see that maybe it was Taylor Tomilson that was coming. And so I told my agent, and he was like, heather, my God, no, you have to tell me this. You know, Da, da. And. But it was like, I just was like, again, you know, I'd had things, like, happen, like, where I knew that sometimes I didn't get asked back because someone was like, oh, she was annoying. She asked too much that, you know, like, it was his.
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B
Like, meanwhile, you're like, can I have a water?
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A
Yeah. Like, there was this one thing that we did in Vegas that a lot of female comics did, and part of the package was like, you could have go to the nightclub and do all this stuff. And so I took advantage of all that, but that meant people coming, following us, seating us there and all that stuff. And then I found out that other female comics were doing the gig by themselves and going up to their room and going to sleep. And I was like, that person is a much easier person to deal with, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, the girl that came alone, that was like, no, I don't need you. I don't need security to take me to the club, and I don't need all of this, and I don't need you to call into the club and say, save me my table. And so then I was like, oh, my God, I wonder if, like, those people talk. And somehow. And you never know. Like, you never know. So it gets in your head. And so now you're this actress, and you get a feel that maybe, like, Ryan doesn't like you or whatever, and you just are like, I'll just do whatever she does.
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B
God forbid she's in the same agency. And she complains. Like, does she lose representation because she says something?
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A
Yeah.
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B
I mean, there are a lot of ripple effects.
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A
I know. And it's. And it's. And it's no way to prove it, because it's like, if you do speak up and complain or something, they're like, oh, my God, I'm so glad that you shared this. You absolutely could. But then they're also like. And if your agent is a man, too, they. It's like when you would tell your, you know, male high school teacher, can I go to the bathroom? I have my period. And they're like, like sometimes guys just don't want to hear anything that's like anything least bit uncomfortable. And then also we're into a legal thing if there's any kind of, you know, harassment, sexual harassment, abuse of powers, anything like that.
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B
Also the sad realization, I think, that we're all kind of realizing is that it really is about how high someone is in the food chain.
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A
Oh my God. I just remember another awful story when I was working on first writing job. It was hard. It was my first writing job and I wasn't really getting the vibe of what I was supposed to be doing or whatever. And the agents were these young agents and they were so excited to be like, we got this 27 year old writer, like a real writer guilt job. So I guess they're like trying to prove that they had some power. So anyway, I think I was having a hard time getting along. I felt like I just entered a new school or something and I was like a dork. And so they showed up to talk to the producer ahead of the writers to kind of be like, heather's not comfortable or whatever. And I remember one of the male writers who became my friend and we worked on other projects since, came in and was screaming at me and was like, you're fucking with our fucking livelihood and stuff. And I'm like, I didn't even, I didn't even mean to complain. They were just asking me how it was going and I was stupid enough to be honest. And I was like, well, I feel a little awkward or, you know, they got mad at me for this one thing. They thought I like, you know, whatever. And I was just like a bag of nerves. I was like, this is. And then I was like, now these people hate me because I spoke up and I look like this little like annoying person and who's not even really contributing that much to begin with because I'm like, don't understand how this works. Yeah, it's really hard.
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B
Or if you are working at a company and you want a promotion or you want more, you know, to be paid better, any sort of thing like that, you can get a reputation as being too needy or.
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A
Yeah, difficult. Sometimes it's hard. But you sometimes, sometimes you have to decide when you're going to shut the fuck up or sometimes you have to let them. I just wanted to talk about Mel Robbins for a minute because she is everywhere and a lot of people are like, who is this Mel Robbins woman? So she has very successful book and podcast and now tour and every motivational speaker and this whole let Them thing is like, hey, if you didn't get. If you find out all your friends had a beautiful luncheon without you, you know, let them like, let them have that great luncheon. And now I know people are gonna probably correct me. This is what I've gathered from it. I have not read the book, but like, the minute you stop trying to control those around you's behavior, then you can gain control of like whatever makes sense. But to let them, let them. And so I see that she's going on tour and I'm like, oh my God, what if like a bunch of women are like calling each other and they're like, hey, let's go see her on tour. And then no one gets back to the person. Then they go to the, to the show and they see a bunch of their friends all planned and went and they're like, oh, I guess I gotta. Let's let you guys just exclude me. Like, if everybody planned a trip and didn't include you, let them. Even though it's coming to see me. Like, I was like, okay with that. But I looked up some things about her. So she was a lawyer.
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B
Yes. I didn't know that.
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A
And she had a syndicated radio show that didn't go, but now this podcast is huge, which I love. So that was canceled. And then she did her own thing. And you know, sometimes you're on this path and you do it for many years and then it pops. And it seems like her philosophy and everything has popped and people really like that she's talking about mental health, the way she's doing it. And you know, she's like my age. I think it's all great. But anyway, and we researching. She has said she has an open marriage.
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B
Oh, really?
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A
So that's the ultimate. Let them. If they want to fuck someone else, let them. You can't control if I want to fuck someone else. Let me. So I was like, yeah, of course you should. If your whole philosophy is like, let them, of course you should. I shouldn't be shocked that you have an open marriage because you got to let everybody be and do what they want.
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B
Maybe her kids are all, I think older now too. They're in college.
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A
I don't know if this is the first or the second husband or what.
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B
I think it's the first. But they're probably in an age and I think they do work with her sometimes. I don't know where like your kids, you could have conversations like that.
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A
And again, I did not read the book. I don't listen to the Thing. Everyone relax. I think she's very successful. I know she brings a lot of joy to a lot of people, but I'm just. Those were just some of the things what I keep seeing in my Feed a million. Let thems, let them, let them. I was like, okay, well, now this sort of makes sense. And then also there was a woman that also wrote a poem called Let them.
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B
Oh, really?
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A
Now there might also be a moment where she gave that woman credit, but she was getting some criticism for that.
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B
I think people like her because. And I followed her before she had a podcast and she, like, she's not. She's just pretty natural looking and she just puts things into, like, short clips that seem complex, but she just simplifies it. So I think that that's why she's really taken off.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And she covers a self help book.
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A
Right?
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B
Like, you could just watch a couple clips.
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A
Like, she covers everything. She's. I just saw one that she was like, hey, to the 20 somethings. Your friends are going to scatter. Like, you were all really close in college. Now you're not. And it is. And again, she goes, they might have a party and not invite you. I'm like, my God. You're like, why do you keep shoving into my face? And no one wants to invite me to anything. Like, just when I thought I felt good about something, I'm like, oh, there were a lot of super bowl parties I didn't get invited to.
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B
Do you still get upset about stuff like that?
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A
Not, not like I did. Like a year ago.
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B
I thought I, I mean, like 10 years ago, you. I think you would have taken things a lot more personal.
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A
Oh, no, it's. It's only recent. I. And it was before I let them. No, it's only been really recent that I finally am like, I. I mean, really recent that I. That I'm not overly bothered.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Now I kind of get a kick out of it and I don't care.
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B
That's good.
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A
And like, I had several people that I'm talking to on the phone who was like, okay, well, I'm having people over for Super Bowl. But, you know, I'm so happy. Whatever we were talking about, I shared some news and I was like, all right, cool. And they didn't say, by the way, it's really small or I'm not gonna invite you. They just said it. And I. And I was like, let them. I didn't care because I already was invited to one.
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B
There you go.
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A
And I only needed to be invited to one. I needed to be invited to 17 and figure it out.
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B
You would have had to map out how you can get to each one and stop in.
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A
Maybe. So that's good, right? Maybe.
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B
Yeah, that's good.
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A
And also, yeah, with age, you don't care. But, yeah, that philosophy does help. But at the same time, just like the classic, he's not that into you.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I think you also have to be honest. If these friends aren't reaching out and they're not including you, it could also be that they're not that into you or they are. They. They don't feel the same as they did five years ago. Or you're not part of the inner group, or you haven't reached out enough. You haven't reached out enough, and therefore you're not part of this text exchange. You know, do you just.
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B
Sometimes as you get older, you have less in common.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I mean, a lot of people have a lot of going on as you get older. Job, taking care of. I think, like, I think kids in school.
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A
I think the only way to get over friends not including you is if you're screwing someone that you like or you're, you know, have a good marriage and you're happy with your marriage. Okay. Or you have, like, gotten to a level of success that you didn't have back when they were inviting you, and that's the only way it's not gonna hurt.
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B
I've never been the kind of person that gets upset if I'm not invited. I don't know.
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A
Well, I mean, it's. It's hard because you wouldn't have known it. There was a lot. It was very easy to keep it a secret. You know, it used to be you wouldn't know. You know, it used to be you passed out the invitations in the classroom and not everybody got one. I mean, that was my first of not being invited. Was my friend Carrie's birthday, and we both brought out invitations the same day, and I invited her to mine, and she did not invite me to hers.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And we both invited, like, the same other eight girls. And then I remember the mom called my mom, and I heard my mom going, yeah, I see we have an issue, and sure, we'll move ours the following week. And then she came and was like, I forgot this at home.
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B
Oh.
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A
And so I'm like, I guess that's why I'm triggered by the not invite, because it's like, I remember it so. And I remember feeling bad for her. Like, I thought I knew she had, like, a good heart, but she Just didn't want me at her party. I wasn't her top eight. Like she just. I wasn't top of mind or whatever, even as an 8 year old. Then they made it that if you give out invitations at the class, you've got to invite everybody.
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B
That's not what they do.
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A
If you don't, then you've got to call them and you've got to be quiet about it. And now I would say, you know, and also don't post if you don't want to hurt feelings.
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B
You know what they also do in schools now? In elementary, the teachers will say things like, we don't have best friends. Like, remember I could be like, you are my best friend. They just, they kind of dissuade that.
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A
I think it's good.
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B
It's good.
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A
I think it's really weird when adults don't really.
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B
You don't. Oh, I do too. I do too.
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A
I hate. A lot of adult women will say my best friend. And I'm like, that is weird.
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B
Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah. But they also don't. We don't do sleepovers either. That's like gone.
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A
Yes, that is. I mean, there's a million tiktoks and don't ever have a sleepover.
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B
You just don't. It's like a common thing. All parents, we're just like collectively like, yeah, we get it.
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A
Yeah, it's. It's too risky. It's too risky.
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B
It's annoying.
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A
It's annoying. But it's also too, too risky that somebody might be at the house, but also you hosting it. Your kids might sneak out. They might, somebody might accuse you of something. It's like the same thing of like, you know, any kind of. You don't want to be alone with a kid that's not yours in any activity. Like I remember when my son was in like the Cub Scouts, that was all taught. Like, even if you're on a trail and all of a sudden you're walking on the trail with just a kid that's not yours, you're supposed to like stop and call another person. Like a doctor, like a gynecologist has to have a nurse there. Like, you do not for any reason to protect yourself, want to be alone with a kid that's not yours.
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B
And I thank the documentary filmmakers of the world over the last 10 years who have like enlightened us on a number of films.
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A
Totally.
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B
But that is absolutely one of them.
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A
Totally.
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B
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A
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B
It means we're not done yet. Amen. Amen.
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B
Right?
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A
Sutton invited Erica and.
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B
No, no, no, no. She invited Kyle.
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A
Oh, wait. Kyle. Right.
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B
And Garcelle.
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A
Kyle and Garcelle.
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B
Yeah, that was it.
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A
Yes. And, you know, look, we all know these things are, you know, let's split up the group and then you guys. And this episode was really good for a couple reasons.
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B
Oh, my God, I loved it.
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A
We got to see her mom, who is an odd bird that. You know, one of the things I thought was really interesting is we know that Sutton is divorced from a very successful man and she gets $330,000 a month or something. But I guess financially, they were taking care of Sutton's mom. And once they got divorced, right away she's like, well, who's gonna take care of me? Which is the sign of a narcissist. Narcissistic mother. Correct. Yes.
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B
There are two things going on here. You can't ask. You can't expect someone without introspection to suddenly gain some when they're older, 80.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It just is not going to happen.
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A
Right.
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B
But also, the way that Sutton kept saying, people say I'm like my mother, but I'm just not. And I feel like that happens so much with mothers and daughters, where you believe you are the watered down version, or you are the watered down version of your mother, but you. All of the things that you can't stand about your parent, you sort of disconnect yourself from. But the minute you go back to being around your parent, you go back to the same roles that you had in your house, and you can see yourself as a mirror. Right. So in the scene, she's like, I'm nothing like my mom, but I'm like, you are absolutely like your mother. Just like the Heather Dubrow scenes with her mom when she was so defensive about anything having to do with her mother. But I'm like, I can see the similarities. And by the way, that's not dissimilar to everybody and their relationship with their mother.
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A
Right.
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B
I love a housewife. That takes us back to meet the mother because origin stories tell us so much.
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A
And also, I mean, she is like the mom, you know, when Dorit was spilling her soul out, saying that Jagger said, are you guys divorced? And she's saying, you know. And then I said to Jagger, no, mommy and daddy still love each other very much, and it will always be a fact. You know what? I just have to tell you that it's a long ride to Oxnard, and I'm not doing her voice very good, but Sutton name Em, so we need to get going. And it was like, how about the scene with Teddy?
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B
First season. Do that one.
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A
Yeah.
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B
When she was like, namori.
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A
No, wait.
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B
Well, frankly, Teddy, I thought you were. I thought, oh, God, you're gonna be boring.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I think that is just like her mother. She's unfiltered.
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A
There's no filter. And you wonder, like, all of it together, what is it? You know? But it's also really sad to see because it's so opposite of what I have of, like, a mom that, like, you know, just thought I was the greatest. So it's.
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B
It makes you sad.
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A
Yeah, it makes me sad to see that for whatever reason, if it was Southern, if it was her personality, if it was because she married this really rich guy and she thought she was stup to not have made it work. Like, maybe the mom was like, I don't care how mean he was to you. Like, you should have. You know, in her mind, maybe the mom was like, to Sutton, you failed because you let this fabulous guy get away.
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B
She's also generational.
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A
Yes.
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B
She's regional. Like, the man has all the power. The respect goes to the man. She's like, I built, you know, this store. I've raised three successful children. I still don't get the respect from you. But she really seems to respect the ex husband more. It just twisted.
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A
And then we had a great scene happening at a dinner at Kathy Hilton's house with Dorit talking about PK and how. And I think we've all been there, too, with a girlfriend that's a little bit in denial. And Erika Jayne, who is just been so great to watch, just being like, that girl that's been through some. That she's a girl.
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B
Buckle up.
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A
Yeah, that's like, really. But it's really like a girl's girl, too. Like, giving good advice. Not at all making it about her's.
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B
Not always a girl's girl. I feel like she's, like, leaned into it way more, I think, because I.
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A
Think when she must.
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B
I've ever been around women. I'm not kidding.
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A
I know. I think she was playing a role for 20 years. It wasn't really her. And she was again, I'm probably like Sutton's mom. If she had Erica, she was probably like, yeah, I'm in this incredible thing. Yeah, he's kind of a dick to me. Yes, I don't want to screw him anymore. Yes, he cheats on me, but I don't care because I don't want to screw him anymore. But I get to do all these cool things. And now he lets me go be this diva with all my gay besties.
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B
And I think her mom was a.
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A
Little divorced, so I'm just going to keep my mouth shut. Now she's the real girl that she is. Been on the show for seven years, has her own thing going.
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B
Maybe she feels safer.
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A
Yeah, I think it's just. It's just a complete. Like, her. Her life was really turned upside down, and now she sees it, and she's like, oh, he's trying to, you know, divorce you before the 10 years so that he doesn't have to pay, you know, alimony for the rest of his life.
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B
Isn't it weird that didn't even occur to her? Dorit. It probably like, Derek is the first person to bring that to her attention.
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A
I think all. I mean, he could have been that it did. And then the producers were like, bring that up at the dinner.
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B
Now Carlos King thinks that this is all not Real like this Dorit. Tell me this Dorit and pk like, they. He thinks that they're pretending.
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A
No way. Because if they were pretending, it would not be this shocking.
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B
Is it shocking, though?
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A
So, okay, let me. Let's. Now let's explore this. So what has she said that can't be taken back?
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B
She said that he was a terrible father. That would be a hard thing to take.
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A
Okay, so that's why I don't think it's true. Because if you were in cahoots, then you would have some. She would be saying, no, he is a great dad and he always calls, but now he's not into hanging out together, the four of us. And in the beginning of the separation, he was like, okay, so that's what we would be hearing, I think, if they were really in cahoots and there's a plan for them to get back together. They're never going to get back together. They're going to get divorced. That's my prediction. And this is real, because you're right. She would not have said, I don't know. Actually, you know what? He's not a great dad. You know, I don't know how you walk that back. And I. I know because I know people. I know people that in the beginning then they knew. You know, they say, no, it's going to be good and everything. And then they're like, no, like, he fucking missed his flight to see his daughter this weekend. He's not into it. He's over it. He's not a good fucking dad. And they will say it now, but in the beginning, it was like, oh, no, let's. You know, and they still might be good to their kid as far as. But then, even then, eventually they'll be like, yeah, don't. Yeah, your dad's new wife was his secretary. You were four. Figure it out. Like, it eventually comes all out. It just takes some time. And so, no, I think. And I think she's pissed because she's like, oh, my God. I covered up with my parents. I covered up with the kids. I covered up with your alcoholism. I covered up with you. Why? I covered up with the fact that we weren't having sex. I acted like we were super in love. I did it all because that was what we decided to present on the show.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And now you want to. And now you want to show.
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B
Complicates it because I feel badly when they go through a divorce because the one person is the platform of the tv. TV show.
- [75:43]
A
Right. And then you're looking For a storyline. And the storyline always, like, fell on his birthday or her birthday or whatever. So they're like, great, we'll plan a big ass party. The finals. Oh, good. The producers. Oh, good. So now the party has to be a beautiful toast that we all see, but if it wasn't filmed, they may have not even celebrated the birthday. And probably she wouldn't have been compelled to, like, do that. We don't know.
- [76:06]
B
But one thing too, though.
- [76:08]
A
Oh, that was really funny.
- [76:09]
B
It's the Easter egg with Kyle when she's like, dorit, I just don't even know who you are. I'm like, is that because she's like, all of a sudden you're not happy in your marriage? Where did that come from?
- [76:20]
A
I think she's just going along with the fact that, like, you know, look, everyone's gonna change in 10 years between, you know, 36 and. And 46. But also.
- [76:31]
B
No but on TV.
- [76:33]
A
Oh, just from last year. Of course. Everyone's different.
- [76:35]
B
Like, we have a great marriage and at the reunion, like, things have never.
- [76:39]
A
Been better because I think she was still hopeful. And now that she's not, it's not possible. The gloves are off and she's like, fuck it, I'm done. Like, lying and everything and.
- [76:48]
B
Or are they like.
- [76:49]
A
And she said she.
- [76:50]
B
You're not going to be on the show if you continue to be like a mouse.
- [76:54]
A
Well, she said in her interview with Alex Baskin she did not want to come back on the show because it was all of this. What she's going through with him was hurtful. And he pk was like, you have to. You have to, because it's your job and you need to make money.
- [77:11]
B
You need to make money. But we've seen that happen with a lot of husbands who are like, get a job because we're getting a divorce and you need to make some money.
- [77:17]
A
I think that Nikki was also just like. But then on top of it, if we're gonna rip off all the band aids. And like, yeah, now we're talking shit about each other, which we never did before. So now it's like 10 years of, like, stuff that we held back that maybe another reality show couple would have shared. And then if they did break up, we wouldn't be totally as surprised. But because it was such an, you know, yes, dar. Hello, Jagger and Phoenix as she's getting her glam done.
- [77:45]
B
Any mom that talks like that.
- [77:47]
A
Yes, my love. And you know, yes, dear.
- [77:50]
B
Like, I am around a lot of moms, and none of them talk like, that they're like, get your soccer crap. You know, like.
- [77:55]
A
But she's not doing all that stuff. So it's like.
- [77:58]
B
It's just so odd to me.
- [78:00]
A
But, I mean, the kids seem to be, you know, really great and everything. And I think. Yeah, I think it's like. And I just think she was like, fine, like, not having a romantic marriage. And so now she's also, like, pissed that, you know, and so now she's like, oh, fuck you. Like, you were gone for 73 days.
- [78:20]
B
Like, being on a reality show. How could you maintain a romantic relationship with your spouse? I feel like it drains them. It sucks them all dry.
- [78:29]
A
I forgot there were certain housewives. I want to think it was maybe Countess and also Lisa Vanderpump. Maybe not. I don't know. But there were a couple that I've interviewed that said that right from the start, they're like, you can never film in my bedroom.
- [78:44]
B
Oh, that's good.
- [78:45]
A
But that's not Dorit. They're always getting glam in the bedroom. They're always like, a lot of, you know, not that it's sacred, but I'm just saying there's certain things like that.
- [78:56]
B
I'm talking more about a marriage, the romance. Like, how do you keep that flame lit when you're on a reality show?
- [79:02]
A
What about when Kathy Hilton goes. Although I do think.
- [79:05]
B
I do think they're in love. I do think Kathy and Rick Hilton are in love.
- [79:09]
A
Yeah.
- [79:09]
B
I think there's real romance there.
- [79:11]
A
I think there's a real friendship there, too. There's a real companionship that they're so. I don't want to say coulda pennant, because I always feel that's a negative. But really a team, like, really together. Like, we're each other's dates, we're each other's best friend, like, whatever. I don't want to, like, necessarily. We're happy to hang, and we're happy just to go to dinner with the two of us. We don't have to invite another couple. We still plenty to talk about. We still have a good time. And I think that's the truth, you know, whether. Whether it's because they did get so married so young and they don't really know any different or whatever. But when she's like, first of all, I thought PK was 56 when I met him. That was so funny, because, you know, when I said that they were 20 years apart on my show, I said, Dorit and PK are 20 years apart. This was like, a year ago. And Maybe there was some talk of them separating. He DMed me and he's like, we are eight and a half years apart. And I go, oh. And he. At the time, he goes, I'm 56 and she's 47 or something. And I go, or 48. And I was like, oh, okay. Well, she just looks a lot younger. I was shocked. I'm like, he did he. But I think she. I do. I don't think he looks necessarily older than 56. I think exactly what Kathy said. I think he looked 5610 years ago, and he looks that now.
- [80:29]
B
Well, also, the way the dynamic of the marriage has always seemed like he's.
- [80:33]
A
More a big age difference and also having kids.
- [80:36]
B
He has older kids. Yeah.
- [80:38]
A
But you know the way the contract is, he's not getting paid. Right. Unless he wants to work out his own deal. Salt Lake City ended. Any thoughts?
- [80:46]
B
I don't know.
- [80:47]
A
I guess they're all coming back.
- [80:48]
B
I'd hate to be Bronwyn going home to Todd after the reunion that they feel like they have a lot to work out. Well, Todd and I.
- [80:54]
A
You know what? We will work it out. What a lot of people don't realize is we're costumes and coffee cups. We're not. He is the funniest person that I've ever met. He absolutely adores me and gives me jewels and he loves Gwendolyn and, you know, he wanted me to do this show. And what you guys don't understand is that we have sex anytime he wants it.
- [81:22]
B
Oh, my God. So she'll definitely come back with a different house. Cause I feel like too many people were like, there are a lot of dogs defecating on the floor and the furniture's weird.
- [81:30]
A
Yeah. I mean, she's weird and the furniture's weird and whatever, but, you know, she's definitely gotta come back and. But it must be really weird when you are, like, Elisa Barlow and you, like, get this little twat on the show.
- [81:43]
B
Oh, I'm sure there are lots of fights.
- [81:44]
A
And that's why she's like, I am done inviting my friends to be on this show. I've literally cast every single person. And you guys have fucked me over so badly. And I'm like, she's right. They have.
- [81:55]
B
Right?
- [81:56]
A
They finally have, like, they're, you know, and I get it. Because she's like, I had to talk to her on the phone all the time, and Angie had to talk to her all the time. Yeah, because she brought them on the show and she's a phone talker and Then, you know, but then they get to feel their own oats and they're like, I am not gonna kiss your feet for the rest of my life for getting me on this show. I'm the fan favorite. People love me. I've had great one liners. But then in her defense, she's like, oh, my God, why did I ever suggest that they pick you?
- [82:23]
B
Because I think a lot of them just figure this person's not gonna become a star. Like, they're just gonna be a friend of. They're gonna fall flat. Because most of them have personalities where they. A celebrity from the time they're born.
- [82:36]
A
Yeah.
- [82:36]
B
So they assume no one else has the charisma that they do. So I think they're actually, like, shocked when the audience really kind of loves any of the people that they recommend.
- [82:46]
A
Yeah, but they are. That's a good show. They're fun.
- [82:50]
B
And by the way, I don't know if they're necessarily recommending, as in, the casting directors are scrolling through their Instagram feed to see somebody in the background, and then they look through who they follow and they're contacting people. Like, they probably go through and see who each person follows and then kind of poke around. Oh, this person lives in Salt Lake City. Hey, would you be interested in talking to me?
- [83:11]
A
Imagine if you have a good friend. Like, you're on the Housewives, you know?
- [83:14]
B
Yeah.
- [83:14]
A
And like, I'm on the Housewives and you're my friend, and I just kind of like you being my friend.
- [83:22]
B
Yeah.
- [83:23]
A
I don't want you to be.
- [83:24]
B
Just be on the side.
- [83:24]
A
Yeah, but you have a badass house and, you know, like, whatever. You're pretty crazy. And, you know, know it's like. And you go out to dinner and you're like, okay, well, let's take a photo, you know, And. And then you're like, tagging me and you're like, why don't you share it? Why don't you share it on your stories?
- [83:41]
B
Yeah.
- [83:41]
A
And I'm like, oh, I. Oh, my God, I forgot. I forgot to share you, like, just trying to keep any friends secret, like.
- [83:49]
B
Or conversely, what about, I'm your friend and you're on the show? And then next thing you know, I'm saying, oh, I'm just like, I'm gonna film something on the show. Like, like. And then I show up to the party with, like, fur on, huge diamond earrings, and I'm an exaggerated version of the person that you, Melissa Gorga. And you're like, what the fuck, Kate? What are you doing?
- [84:11]
A
Right. You know, Yeah.
- [84:13]
B
I could see that happening, by the way. And then I'm not going to be a housewife.
- [84:18]
A
And I see that you're with all my castmates and you didn't invite me, and then I have to go. Let them. Let them.
- [84:26]
B
Let them.
- [84:27]
A
You wouldn't know any of these people. You wouldn't be on this show if it wasn't for me. But let them go. Go have fun. Oh, you're. You decided to take everyone on a private jet to go to your.
- [84:37]
B
Wearing matching trucker hats that say, mermaids, go.
- [84:41]
A
Yeah, have fun. And I'm like, kate, I can't believe you guys are filming Real Housewives this weekend without me. Like, what the hell? Like, I'm just not gonna be part of this trip for the next three days. And then you have to just be like, well, you upset me when you didn't acknowledge my dog the other day.
- [84:57]
B
Right, right, right, right.
- [84:58]
A
You barely looked Muffin in the eye.
- [85:01]
B
That's why I think Heather got so mad when she wasn't invited to Palm Springs. She's like, girl, where? Like, huh? I've been here from the beginning.
- [85:08]
A
I'm here from the beginning. I have a good fucking time. And, like, I didn't even do anything. I still never got. I feel like that was. That could have been a move by the. Who knows why they wanted to exclude her. It made no sense. I still don't even know.
- [85:21]
B
I don't get it.
- [85:21]
A
Why half the fights were the fights or whatever. Do you think New York is coming back?
- [85:25]
B
Yeah, it'll just be different. Just. I don't know. They'll change.
- [85:28]
A
Switch on people. All these people. Yeah. The crime.
- [85:30]
B
Rebecca Minkov swinging a misk.
- [85:33]
A
And she's just like, whatever. I'm. I'm leaving.
- [85:35]
B
Brynn should not be on the show anymore. She needs, by the way. She should have been on a different show. Makes sense from the beginning.
- [85:43]
A
I don't know. That'll be a. I'm curious to see where she kind of ends up. Does she just, like, stay at this level and get a few deals here and there? Because she does dress really well.
- [85:53]
B
She'll be on, like, Villains and Traitors and all the.
- [85:56]
A
I mean, yeah, she should be used for something else if she doesn't come.
- [85:59]
B
Back category in reality tv, where now they have these shows bringing other people.
- [86:05]
A
From other realities, like a traders or something. Jessica Alba and her husband are getting divorced.
- [86:10]
B
Okay.
- [86:11]
A
And they just both have their own businesses and so much money.
- [86:15]
B
Great. And she's going to have so much Fun dating.
- [86:17]
A
Yeah. Then they have three kids.
- [86:18]
B
Good for her.
- [86:19]
A
With H names. Honor, Hayes, and, like, Haven.
- [86:23]
B
I have a haze, but a girl.
- [86:25]
A
That's cute. I like that name. People are worried about Justin Bieber.
- [86:28]
B
I worry about him all the time.
- [86:29]
A
He looks awful. Other people are like, he's a new dad. I'm like, oh, shut up.
- [86:34]
B
Yeah, he's not.
- [86:35]
A
He's not the octomom. Okay? Like, maybe if he had eight kids and no help, maybe he would have some sunken eyes.
- [86:41]
B
Maybe what they're saying is, like, it gives him something to be joyful about.
- [86:44]
A
No, they're saying that's why he looks like.
- [86:47]
B
Because he has a child.
- [86:48]
A
Yes. Because he's a new dad.
- [86:50]
B
No. Give me a break.
- [86:52]
A
Stop it.
- [86:52]
B
No. What? No.
- [86:54]
A
I mean, please. This does look like he's not. Well.
- [86:59]
B
No.
- [87:00]
A
Worried about him. All right, well, Kate, this was really fun. Always tell everybody what you got going on.
- [87:09]
B
Reality Life with Kate Casey podcast, six days a week. You can sign up for my what to Watch list. I tell everybody what to watch on unscripted tv, so reality shows, documentaries, and it comes out every Monday. Go to katecasey.substack.com I have a Facebook group. Reality Life with Kate Casey and bonus episodes.
- [87:26]
A
What's some hot things to watch coming up. Oh, wow.
- [87:31]
B
I am so excited for you to watch this season of Love is Blind. I. Oh, my God, I'm shaking. I can't even tell you.
- [87:38]
A
When does it come out?
- [87:39]
B
Friday. Valentine's Day. It's in Minneapolis.
- [87:43]
A
Have you. Did you get the screeners?
- [87:45]
B
I watched the first episodes. I was kind of falling asleep. I shot up. I haven't stopped thinking about the last episode of the first tranche of episodes.
- [87:55]
A
Okay.
- [87:56]
B
I cannot wait for you to watch it.
- [87:58]
A
All right.
- [87:59]
B
We have to talk about it.
- [88:00]
A
Okay.
- [88:01]
B
That's the one to watch this week. Love is Blind on Friday. Yeah. Cause at first you're like, oh, my God. They're all really sweet and earnest and maybe it's just. Cause they're from Minneapolis. And then you start to go, that one's the sociopath. That one's the sociopath. It's really good.
- [88:17]
A
Oh, good.
- [88:17]
B
And by the way, a great thing to watch on Valentine's Day with somebody.
- [88:20]
A
Yeah.
- [88:21]
B
Like, don't go out, just stay in.
- [88:22]
A
And also, Love is Blind makes you feel so much better about being married. Because all they wanna do, all they keep saying is, I just want my person. That I could. I just want my person so I can decide. Have somebody watch Love is Blind with.
- [88:35]
B
Yeah.
- [88:36]
A
You know like. And I'm like, here I am with my person watching Love is Blind. Like, I need to be more excited about being married. Look at these people are.
- [88:42]
B
Well, also, you watch it with your sons, too. Yeah. Added. Added bonus.
- [88:45]
A
Watch it with anyone or watch it by yourself.
- [88:47]
B
Actually, my kids really got into the season, too, because I would be watching and they would walk through and they'd ask me about it. So, yeah, it's the one to watch.
- [88:55]
A
Awesome. All right. Thanks, Kate.
- [88:57]
B
Thank you.