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Heather mcdonald has got the juicy scoop when you're on the road when you're on the go juicy scoop is the show to know she talks hollywood tales her real life mister segment serial data and cereal sister you'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast listen in listen up woo woo hannah mcdonald juicy scoop hello and welcome to juicy scoop i have a return favorite you know him he is an expert on the biggest case ever when i need to know anything about blake versus justin i go to zach peter with no filter with zach peter great podcast good friend welcome back.
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To juicy scoop thank you for having.
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Me back we're gonna end so much today but i have to tell you about this breaking juicy crime oh did you know that i do juicy crimes every wednesday please subscribe there's a link right below leave a five star review spread the word we're doing it drops every wednesday this is just happening and i saw it yesterday and there's more news about it there is a rapper named david but it's spelled d the numeral for vid i don't know his music he's currently on tour and they found a decomposing body of a person that they now identified as a fifteen year old girl they have her name she was seventy one pounds now i don't know if she was seventy one pounds decomposing body in a tesla that is registered to him okay and it was like you know it was at a spot for so long that it was getting towed and then the tow company was like this smells really bad and so they you know called the cops they found the body in the trunk i guess and now they say seventy one pounds i don't know if that means it was seventy one pounds because it's decomposing or was she really a fifteen year old that was actually seventy one pounds so i first heard about this yesterday and i'm like we have teslas and they have cameras in them so i'm like you'll be able to see at least the jeans or the pants of somebody that's putting this body in the trunk on this day whatever and then i was like well if i was this guy's defense attorney i'd be like oh being a rapper i have my boys and my entourage and my cousin and a lot of people have access to my cars okay that's what i thought it would be tmz just reported that he has a tattoo on his inner finger that's shush s h h h and so did the fifteen year old girl matching tattoo of shush inside her finger why does a grown man have a matching tattoo with a woman who's not a woman sorry a child who's fifteen what are you shushing about and your body was found in a car that was registered too so when this hit as i'm driving over here i'm like they're like but david is cooperating with the police while he's on tour why is that tour i'm like stop that so now they did say the show tonight's been canceled oh thanks thanks for canceling thank god you cancel the show what the.
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Fuck no i mean could it have been like something that maybe happened and he told someone on his team like take care of it and this was their way of taking it but also like what a sloppy way like you're gonna use a tesla and then you're gonna leave the bot like it's just it feels like there are too many.
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She'S fifteen is all i can say yeah i mean very very tragic does she have parents was she listed as a missing person was this the kind of situation that the parents thought it was gonna be like r kelly was she an aspiring singer horrible like we.
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Have no details about who she is i mean i guess she's a minor so it's gonna be concealed but like.
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Yeah really insane so that is happening right now and he's how old i would have to look up how old he is but he is an adult.
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Yeah he is not over eighteen not.
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So we are coming to the end of discovery which is all the evidence exchanging so blake's putting all of her stuff on the table he's putting all his stuff on the table and now they're all kind of sorting through everything and the next couple of months will be them putting together their case before trial in march so it's presumed that at this point taylor's text messages have been turned over which is why it seems they were trying to depose her now they the only date that taylor's team offered was at the end of october but discovery is supposed to be done and all depositions are supposed to be done by the end of september so they were asking the judge for an extension and the judge who was asking okay yeah because they wanted to depose taylor and taylor said okay i'm only available the week of october twentieth other than that like i can't make anything happen sooner so they were like hey judge she's available but not until after the deadline can we get an extension so that we can depose her and the judge said no because he's like you had six months to try and depose her and work out a schedule so it seems like the reason they were trying to depose her now is probably because they got the text messages i mean perez hilton for what it's worth take with a grain of salt he says that he has a close source that i believe may be baldoni's publicity team but he says he has a close source that says that they do have the text messages and that there is something in those text messages that they believe to be very incriminating to blake lively so there's something and she was fighting just to make.
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Things clear because i think it's gotten so murky and the so who is suing who for what because i know that the four hundred million dollars lawsuit that beloni was countersuing blake has was dismissed she asked for it to be dismissed and it was so where are we left on what lawsuit blake is.
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Suing for what so blake is suing beloni for a couple mil one hundred mil herself for harassment and retaliation and.
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So those are the two so it's harassment on set or this is all.
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Post the movie harassment on set okay she claims he harassed her she she brought forth claims he agreed to not retaliate against her and then he launched this retaliation campaign against her to keep her silent is what she's claiming okay and so now she has to actually prove that there was harassment that she brought forth the harassment and then she has to prove that they launched this smear this smear campaign in an attempt to retaliate against her for bringing forth those harassment claims and so she that that's the only lawsuit that's active now because a lot of people are like wait i thought it got dismissed his case against her for defamation got dismissed because everything that she all of the statements that she made that he claimed were defamatory were put in a legal document and as long as it's in a legal document it can't you have litigation privilege so you can't be sued for defamation because it's protected speech if it's in a legal filing because then people wouldn't sue people if they could get sued for death right like if.
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You'Re going to say i was yeah i was you know sexually assaulted by this guy then you'll never tell because you'll say by you saying that you defamed me got it right so his.
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Case is gone so he's fighting her case against him so that is set to go to trial in march and.
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She'S also asking that he pay for her legal fees in this lawsuit her.
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Legal fees and then in california specific with these types of harassment cases there's what so she's asking for her fees to be covered punitive damages which are you know additional money that the judge would order to kind of punish you for you know doing this action against somebody else in a in civil litigation and then she's also asking for treble damages which is unique to sexual harassment cases specifically here in california it's really big and so treble damages are three times you're awarded three times the amount that you won so let's say he loses a hundred mil she can then fight to have him pay three hundred miles as like more punitive damages to punish someone for you know bringing forth false allegations of like defamation or trying to harm somebody that's an accuser of.
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Sexual harassment okay you explained this very very well okay so now we're just going to talk prediction and speculation what do you think could be in those taylor text messages to her bestie supposedly she's a godmother either officially or unofficially.
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Not anymore yeah i don't know if.
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You'Re you know christian or catholic or you really have a baptism where you have someone stand on the altar that's what a real godparent is but in hollywood a lot of people say i'm the godmother and it's not like a religious thing whatever supposed to be the godparent of one or some of them what do you think would be in there that would be something that they got excited about and we're like now we really need to depose her to seal our deal here beldoni team maybe.
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Text messages of her like praising him like oh my god i had a really good scene today or like talking to taylor or maybe her like hinting that maybe she has a crush on him like there's something that in the tone of her text messages that appears that she had a positive working experience with beldoni cause you also have to remember and the thing is when he launched his timeline of events and he put all the dates and the text messages together of hers to him and he's like she's claiming she was harassed on this date but then later that evening she was sending me these yummy text messages so how is it that i harassed her that morning and then you know later on by the end of the day she's telling me that you know she's a ball buster she'll bust my balls but never with teeth like it just it doesn't add up if he she was harassed by him earlier in that day and now she's you know inferring fellatio yeah but if.
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I'M playing the devil's advocate you know there have been many cases if you want to look at like weinstein or whatever where the person is you know the jury does decide that they were a victim and there were those instances after the assault where the person's like hey you know when do i see you again or you were the greatest or whatever and then it's like a psychological thing however she's not saying he was assaulting her she was just saying.
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He was harassing her yeah he told her her outfit looked sexy and he said that she smelled good and those.
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Are kind of yeah yeah oh those.
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Are the things yeah but then you see the context of it where like she's like he said that i smelled good and then they released the footage and it's her and they're in a dancing montage and at first in her initial complaint she said that there was no audio recorded and then he was like surprise actually i was wearing a mic here's all of the footage and with the actual audio and you hear her on mic say oh i'm sorry if my spray tan smells which you i'm sure you know spray tan smell and when you hug people you're like sorry like this made they smell gross.
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Because you're not supposed to shower for like twenty four hours and it's that weird smell yeah and so he i saw that's a classic and then he kind of in my opinion to put.
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Her at ease yeah he's like no it smells fine it smells good and she's like oh that's just my body makeup hahaha so it was just like a a simple exchange but like it wasn't like a because she wrote in her complaint he smelled me and told me i smelled i mean you're about.
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To do like a close scene so like yeah i saw that and i did think ooh you know but it is interesting once something actually gets in front of a judge yeah and not the people that have been watching people like you and everybody else really dissect it and kind of you know it's not being right now tried in the media it's being tried in actual court with someone who's just looking and following the law to the best of that judge's ability yeah and then okay so once this we get through the discovery whatever then it goes to a jury.
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In march so right now they have time to put their case together do any last minute filings that they need to do and then come march it goes before a jury and both sides present their case you know and then the jury will ultimately make a decision in terms of whether or not they believe that blake was harassed and retaliated against cause like that's the thing harassment's one thing but her biggest thing and what she really seems to hone in on is this retaliation campaign which i mean is kind of up in the air but they have she has to be able to prove that the retaliate or that the smear campaign was in retaliation for the sexual harassment so she has to connect those dots and that's going to be really interesting to see if she can actually prove that the.
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Retaliation really being an online thing yeah through the press using many different entities and basically she's saying and i was covering this from the very beginning when she said her first complaint and i did think being someone that's in this world that yeah i did notice all these weird tiktoks and claims and things about that she was a bitch on set and did this and was rude to this makeup artist all seem to be popping up in my for you page on tiktok after the movie had premiered and been out and i was just like oh like i was like this is kind of weird so when it all came out i was like now you were also somewhat mentioned in this case so let's talk about that.
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Yeah so i guess they were watching you know justin baldoni and his team were watching everything that was playing out online and they had their social media manager who would give them updates and so one of them in their group texts was sending my videos and they're like oh love me some zach peter so i think they liked that i was at the very beginning listen i'll say exactly how i feel whether i think it's gonna be a popular opinion or not and i was one of the only people that came out right after the new york times article that said i have questions i feel like this is a smear campaign against him just by the way it was presented to us in the new york times they removed their paywall which the new york times never removes their paywall they made her complain a downloadable pdf note covering celebrity legal cases accessing those documents is not easy so the fact that the new york times blasted it all over their front page remove their paywall and had the entire document available to download as an easy pdf that says click here to read blake's complaint i was like that has so many red flags we see text messages but we don't see the full context of their conversations yet i was like we have to wait to see what his side is before we make a decision where everybody was like you know hashtag blake lives matter we believe her stand with blake believe blake and i was like.
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I have questions wait there was a thing called blake lives matter no that was a joke that i that's pretty.
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Brilliant no that's just a joke that i came up with because there's so many blake loyalists on the internet interesting okay just like the amber heard like die hards and listen i get it i get their mission but this you know like the tyler perry case right now like that one i'm a little.
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More leave the dude let's just remind people of the tyler perry case i did discuss it with you guys before tyler perry as you know has a big studio a whole many shows under him and there is a guy that he that was acting on one of his shows as like a series regular who has come forward and said that he made advances tried to come into his bed one night when he's spending the night and so where do you stand and he's suing and then saying that when he resisted the advances and whatnot then all the things that were promised to him in the flirting that was going on in which he kept brushing it off cause he i don't know if he's gay or straight but he wasn't interested in tyler perry in that way and that you know the pilot that he was that was supposed to be done that he had written this guy he also wasn't asked to be on the next season of the show what is your opinion on that.
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I think i believe derek i think the accuser i think i listen are there people in hollywood that will try to advance their career by flirting with the producer sure but at this point especially post harvey weinstein as the producer and the head of the company you know better than to be engaging in this behavior because i see people being like well why did derek keep going to his house why would he get drunk with him why would he why would he be hanging out in his underwear and i'm like i get that but also tyler perry is the boss and he knew better than to be doing any of this with you know the actor that he has power over.
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And when i read those texts and i read them on the show it was very much a person and you know we've seen it with women i've been there too where someone is being flirty and creepy who is in a powerful position for you and you're so embarrassed that they're being flirty and creepy cause you're like could you look in the mirror like i have no desire in fucking you and like you're gross but you're like ha ha okay like just try and in that exchange you could feel like derek was doing that like to appease him whoa interesting that you dream like that anyway wanted if you could read my pilot like it was just like it was just like every little thing was not being extended wasn't like tell me more about what i was doing in your dream it was like oh wow have you thought about taking some melatonin like it was just constantly trying to like placate and like shut it down i felt and.
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That'S i feel like the argument that blake lively is trying to make is she's trying to make it seem like because justin baldoni was the director and the producer he was the tyler perry he had all the control but i'm just like you really expect me to believe that blake lively and ryan reynolds had zero control and beldoni was they're rewriting the scene he was just you know being so predatory and you have taylor swift walking in accidentally on meetings and reviewing you know helping with casting decisions like it's just to me it's too much of a where do you.
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Think the isabella who played the young blake lively and it ends with us comes into all of this i mean.
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She'S trying really hard to avoid getting subpoenaed i think they've tried like five times to subpoena her and she and her attorneys are kind of you know ignoring it to the best of their ability i think i mean and we've seen like her text messages and interview bites that she did prior to you know all of this coming out publicly where she did nothing but praise baldoni and like praise him you know saying i felt so safe on set and this was the best working experience i had on you know my first major film so i think she's kind of between a rock and a hard place where i think she her work experience with justin baldoni was really good but then she befriends she became friends with blake lively which was so fudgeing weird because isabella's a young girl in her twenties blake's pushing forty and blake's inviting her over for sleepovers and they're baking cookies together they had no scenes together because isabella played young lily and blake played old lily so you know there's no time travel in this movie it's.
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Not like you're playing mother daughter and you're like we should hang out off so we have like a chemistry yeah.
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You'Re right yeah and she only had a couple of scenes so it made no sense that her and blake would become so close and blake's like flying her around the country to do press and again the sleepovers and taking her out to dinners and all of that stuff was just kind of strange so i think she feels this loyalty to blake because i think she believes that blake you know told her these stories about baldoni but she also knows that if she is deposed or testifies her experience with beldoni is going to contradict what blake is trying to paint him.
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As where what do you think about jenny slate do they want to does anyone want to depose her she seems to have managed to stay kind of out of it and jenny slate to remind you she plays beldoni's sister in the movie and then subsequent like also the bff to blake lily so they do have a lot of scenes together.
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Yes i imagine jenny slate will also be deposed and dragged into this as well i think she's a really key material witness based off of what experienced on set we do have one report or a complaint and she's the only one that we've been able to find a complaint about that was made towards sony where she complained about the apartment that they put her up in during the film and she was like i don't you know i don't want to live here it doesn't feel safe for my kid because of the high ceilings or the or the high windows or balcony there was something that she felt was unsafe for her kid and so wayfarer's like okay well we'll come in and we'll eat your fifteen thousand dollars deposit and we'll put you up somewhere else and then i guess she was bothered because in that mention and what she complained about is they referred to the sanctity of motherhood and she just felt that that was creepy because they're not moms they're men and like how dare they speak about the sanctity of motherhood when they're literally paying fifteen thousand dollars to help her move into a.
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New apartment i mean that could have been yeah a misunderstanding or whatever or like some like a guy trying to be too nice too on the side of like yeah of something that he's you know it was interesting because she was in dying for sex and that was nominated for a lot of things and i had nikki boyer who's the who she plays here and it's such a great show and everything and there was definitely an absence of her doing a ton of press jenny slate because i think she wanted to avoid this and which is understandable good thing it didn't like hurt anyone wanting to see the show but yeah i think it's a hard position to be in yeah and we don't really know how she feels she could be totally team blake you know or team justin and just like not really go i don't want my career i don't want this is bad like i could get it like don't remember lisa vanderpump didn't want to be called in the brandi glanville versus joanna cooper smelly pussy thing either like don't get me involved like i just.
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It'S yeah yeah and so all these people are being dragged in and i think it's also a weird position for them to be in because yeah at first if blake is making these claims a lot of people believed blake and then you start to see you know all of the evidence against her where she's just like he showed me porn on set and they're like we showed her a birthing video and here's the video and it's like well then that miscategorizes things so i think the people that may have believed her up front may now be questioning whether or not they can believe her and then it's a weird place to be in because you're like well who do i believe what do i you know what side do i pick but i think that's why taylor swift's silence is probably the most telling to me because if she is not standing by blake has never issued a statement in support of blake you know is like i'll be deposed if i have to be deposed you know it's kind of feels like i would think that if that really was your good girlfriend for ten years and you're the godmother to all her children you guys have this close bond you would think that there would be some sort of sticking by her but i.
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Mean she's yeah i think i think you know she started that whole squad thing i think she you know has an interesting relationship with girlfriend friendships being that she was treated horribly taylor swift in high school and there's a story where she like invited all when she like hit it she invited like all these girls that were bitches to her to like see her show and like put them in the front row or something like you know i mean it's like so i feel like yeah when the friendship doesn't serve her anymore or if she feels like you're using me yeah her dragon yeah then she's not but she's gonna have to do whatever she has to do legally but she's probably like fucking bitch like god damn it you know last question then we're move on and i have not thought of this who should play these two in the movie and blake lively and taylor oh my god blake lively taylor justin and if we i have not thought it out so i don't mean to put you on the spot juicy scoopers please like comment yeah i need ideas i need to i'm not i don't know either i don't know enough i think like youngish actresses i'll tell.
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You what i think well isabella ferreira can play blake yeah we can start.
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There but i think that this will be like a more of a lifetime type movie instead of a really good netflix i think it'll be a lifetime.
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Type thing no i have someone from a really big a really powerful person in hollywood that i asked why haven't we seen more of like these documentaries about the blake and baldoni stuff the ones that we have seen have been like really small one was like a foreign one in australia or something and they said that a lot of studios like top head execs are saying no we're not touching it right i don't want to touch it because of ryan.
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Reynolds right they don't want to piss off anyone yeah so and future projects.
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And they have no plans to cover it the way they cover depp v heard where after deputy heard all these documentaries came out all these like you know other projects came out that profiled that case that i don't think we'll get in this case because in this case there's more of an incentive to protect blake and ryan whereas in the other case there was no incentive to.
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Protect amber heard okay i'm gonna say i think the decision to make a made for tv movie won't happen until this is completely concluded based on how it's concluded i can see the trailer for the lifetime movie of and it'll be like a couple years later like let people sort of forget and it's like the biggest scandal of our time snap snap snap snap snap and then a girl being like ry rai you know what are we gonna do or something like you know something like that it'll be in like a cheesy way that there'll be actually a couple people at home watching that that may not know the story like they'll wait like five years to do like the hollywood scandal that rocked the mid two thousand and twenties or whatever we're in yeah.
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I mean we'll get an svu episode out of it yeah they always do ripped from the headlines and then you'll have someone play a fake blake right.
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Kind of like in the middle she's.
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Going to come on joe de la rosa is trying to jump on joe.
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Will be there oh god joe's trying.
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To jump on and then heather heather is like i have a helicopter picking me up from the titanic and i don't need to jump on either of your shitty boats and yeah that's it and shannon i think shannon was on the other side and now is kind of figuring out do i need to jump on the katie tamara boat because she refollowed katie and she doesn't know.
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What to do well i don't think she ever unfollowed katie i think that was like people oh that was like a rumor yeah because remember like at one point people were like lala and ariana unfollowed lvp and then lala and ariana came out and they're like we were never following her yeah yeah so i think people like saw shannon was following katie recently and just like ran with that story but i don't think she ever unfollowed her right and so.
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That'S like what's happening the actual episodes are not as juicy as what's happening right now with like what is going to happen to the show and you know it's really interesting as they talk about the quote unquote bloggers which really can mean anybody that has an instagram account with somewhat bravo written in it and you can see it's so obvious who who the cast members have gotten.
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To join their team oh one thousand.
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Percent i mean it's just it's more obvious than what happened over in new jersey where it's like this particular you know instagram account is just being like literally just posting and writing things that you know were sent in my opinion from tamara yeah and then the other one is you know this is being sent from the other side yeah and it's just kind of like i don't know where it's like unfortunate i don't know i don't know what's gonna happen.
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I don't think the show can move forward after this like i think the show needs to be i think the show needs to be put on pause for maybe a year like when vanderpump took their pause after stassi and jax and all them were fired i think it needs to take a beat because i don't know how the cast moves forward none of them like katie i don't believe tamra's genuinely friends with katie i mean i think tamara's just trying to do whatever she's like okay well.
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No she's best friends with joe come.
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On yeah sorry oh yeah there we go let's reboot that let's bring joe on joe and alexis bellino and katie janela and tamra judge there's the cast next season like it's so stupid and the hard part is i actually do on a personal level like tamra and you know i've enjoyed her at events and stuff but like i just see her and katie and all the little strings that they're pulling behind the scenes more so than i think the other like i don't think the other women are strategically trying to do things or like preemptively plant seeds with bloggers i think they're all kind of in panic mode and just like trying to figure out what to do because like katie hired a crisis pr team that she's using right now to kind of push all of these narratives that like the lie detector company is fake and it's all a plot and it's this whole conspiracy that gina and emily and gretchen and jen and the producers and bravo and everybody's plotting against katie to make her just look like a liar for i don't know a great storyline when now that she's not on the show this week i'm just like i didn't.
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A
Even miss that she's not significant they keep moving the goalpost okay we joke that housewives is football are football but it really isn't so it's like you're just supposed to be yourself yeah and actually have genuine relationships with the women and it's hard because if it wasn't genuine and you were truly cast it is hard to get in there and really be friends it's a job yeah it's a job and the women are fighting to keep the job yeah to keep the job that also comes with other opportunities for money and fame and fun a chance to maybe make enough money that you can leave your husband that you hate i mean like whatever it is they don't want to give it up and you can't blame them for that and then also everybody's on social media so if you feel like your reputation is being destroyed you will do whatever it takes to rectify that or try to fix it or try to get people that you think might have some influence in swaying the audience to believe that i'm not a bad person i'm not a liar whatever and that's like where we're at and it's just yeah it started to get a little exhausting yeah i just think there.
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B
Are too many and this is why because people are like well why would you rather believe like gretchen and jen and everyone else over tamara and katie and i'm just like because i see the things that cameron like i already know the whole finale i know all the details for the season because tamara put it out there weeks ago i got a call when i was in new york a couple months ago and yeah you know and with people like freaking out because of the info like it's just and then even i you know i went on tour and gretchen came to one of my shows because she's friends with jacqueline loretta who i've been friends with for many years and jacqueline was in my show and gretchen just kind of came to support jacqueline and support me and then immediately like not even forty eight hours later like tamara was already like in people's dms trying to be like what did gretchen say at the show and like she was trying to like get dirt and it was just like i'm just like can you stop like just let like i want these women like same thing with like lisa rin in the aspen season with kathy i'm like if these women can just like let it all play out organically and wait to see how the audience turns and if you need to do a podcast tour after the season to clear your name fine but when you're in people's ear like i can name five six bloggers that tamara has been in touch with that i know for a fact she has.
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A
Spoken i think i could get to i think i could get to about eight yeah so there might be more i think that's yeah that's a frugal.
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B
Generous number that i was giving her but like that's my thing is it's like so now i'm less inclined to believe her and katie because i know you know and katie's out there having her husband matt do like podcast interviews now it's just like i'm like we already know like gretchen and slade can be a little thirsty but when you're trying to be like oh well i am the victim everyone's against me it's a conspiracy theory but then you're playing all of these same games and planting all of these seeds to get ahead of the narrative and like when one of katie's friends text me and sent me this like tiktok video about the lie detector company and how the lie detector company is fake and i'm just like we haven't even seen the lie detector episode like i knew what was coming up in the episode but i was like i haven't even seen this episode yet why are you guys circulating this information to already taint that the lie detector company is fake and fraudulent when we don't even the audience has not seen the episode yet to even know what the the results of the lie detector are yet so you're already trying to discredit the lie detector for.
- [38:21]
A
It'S very easy to send a blog really like a blog or whatever but also like a post or a tiktok or whatever to send it to other people so that maybe then i do my podcast and i go yeah this is a good point you know yeah and i can't blame them for doing that like i get it why would you just sit and just let yourself drown like you already gave up your anonymity we already know everything about you now you're a famous person you can't be unfamous so you might as well try to save yourself so i don't blame them for trying to save themselves.
- [38:56]
B
What advice do you would you give because my thing is don't plant those seeds preemptively because it'll always come back to bite you it always takes one salty blogger to get pissed off and to post all the screenshots of everything you've ever shared like that's the riskier option for these housewives is to play that game yeah because it always comes back around and bites them in the butt so what advice would you give these housewives to save their reputation but also know there's a beating that's coming.
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A
On the show i would turn off my phone i would stop doing whatever it is i would just like only post like dumb shit and i would honestly hire someone to make sure that i don't look at it just so my mental health is okay then now if you get asked to be on watch what happens live yeah of course you're not going to turn that down but i would not do any more interviews i would not do any more commenting and i would just come into that reunion in a dress that looks good that you're sitting in okay a leg that's well oiled and tanned yep and yeah really have what i'm going to say clear and concise and not confusing so if you're coming to defend yourself it's like really think about it and know that i just want to know if this gets played twelve years from now in peacock which it will that what i'm saying here is the way i feel and if someone's going to say you're lying and it's not true i'd be like this is who i am this is what i think whatever you want to show or manipulate or say that somebody put out about me whatever this is where i stand and this was a show i thought would be fun to do and if you want me back and we can have fun fine and if you don't like i still am this person for.
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B
All of them yeah for all of.
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A
Them that's the only way you can.
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B
Be and i also think as hard as it may be for the ego sometimes it's better to be in good graces with the producers because you'll eventually it'll turn like the tide will turn you're not going to get five bad seasons where you're getting beaten up season after season after season like just let it and the dynamics shift and somebody else takes the heat the next season like just ride the wave because the audience is fickle and they forget so.
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A
Quickly i mean i don't believe that all these people are good people okay so saying i'm a good person whatever do whatever you can if you're a snake play the snakey game yeah but like if you feel that you're being beaten on whether that's katie or gretchen or both and you know and you really feel like this is my truth you just have to sit in your truth and just go i know that you know god or whoever you believe in the universe is on my side and eventually it will prevail and i am not going to scream because where it gets is when they try to defend themselves like in the minutiae of it and it's just like the audience doesn't have a lot of tolerance for it they don't care enough so it has to be like i mean i always say like the reason oj got off is because the dna evidence was too new and too confusing and too exhausting and they lost interest and then someone said if the glove doesn't fit you must acquit and they're like okay yeah like that makes sense like that's two like so they're like the lie detector people were actors okay then that's what it is and emily really hired them no she didn't like are you kidding me you think emily really hired them and put up the black sheets in her room to do the light like you don't think like she's being quiet because she doesn't want to piss off the producers because she wants to come back they all want to come back nobody it's so rare that anybody and even the people that quit like lisa vanderpump yeah she can she has three other shows yeah she has three other restaurants give me someone who truly quit i can only think of the.
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B
Doctor from miami oh doctor nicole whose.
- [43:08]
A
Husband is so fucking rich and she's a young mom and she's a full blown doctor yeah she and and she's still kind of like being popping in here or there she's still like leaving the door open yeah that she's like the only one that i think is really truly like meant it when they said i don't really need this right.
- [43:28]
B
Now well bethany left twice yeah and created the bethany clause and can bravo can thank her for every reason because you know she's the best ever she's.
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A
The best ever she's you know and.
- [43:41]
B
She'S and they paid her millions and millions and millions of dollars to come.
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A
Back right she created the whole thing anyway okay so now let's talk about real housewives of salt lake city it premiered last night and i'll fill you guys in if you're not watching it who cares you know what we're talking about they're in salt lake city it starts out with angie who's the greek one she's like year three she told the girls get ready for a girls trip and put you know a cute little thing on the invite that looked like they were going to a beach but instead she drives up in an rv and mary already gets in the car and they pick up all the girls and they go to a campsite all right you know i found it i read the reviews a lot of people really loved it so i'm gonna start out with the positive a lot of people are like this is the best franchise i'm so glad they're back this was so funny me as someone who is an actual funny person i don't appreciate the bits yeah it's very try hard i don't appreciate that they're basically following a script and doing an act and it starts out these guys come wearing from the halloween costume the swat outfits where is whitney rose and then they're strippers and then they strip in the weird rv and it was just so dumb to bring back when they were in the van and jen shaw got arrested and i'm sure jen shaw is sitting back going once again you used me for a plot line as i'm rotting in here with one drop you know elizabeth holmes so then then they go and they get to the campsite and they go okay brittany goes okay everybody we're gonna put down our phones but i'm gonna give you all these flip camera things from nineteen from twenty ten and you are going to run around and film shit i'm like okay producers now you're fucking lazy why do they have to be camera people too and why are we doing a blair witch project from twenty five years ago bit and it looks like shit it's not a pretty time of year wherever this campsite is yeah they're all trying to i mean shannon beador is trying too hard too stop falling you didn't need to bring those pots and pans stop with your bits okay i don't know who do you think.
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B
She'S trying to do the better or do you think she's kind of just.
- [46:11]
A
A little wild i think heather dubrow and tamara and shannon have like hired young people and emily emily and gina are doing bits and i'm like i don't know what person you hired from the improv class of the oc that's trying to help you with your bits but like we don't need you to be like we don't need you to be funny just like be yourself like what is this and you know and then heather acting like she doesn't know about all the shit that's going on with the lawsuits with lisa barlow i.
- [46:44]
B
Haven'T seen any of this so that's.
- [46:46]
A
What i think i thought it was kind of exhausting i didn't think it was it did not keep my interest but you know you have to start somewhere and then i didn't realize that a big thing is that angie has some stake in some tequila company and that's why she was drinking it from the bottle much like bethenny frankel please say it's not about to shaking her skinny girl margarita mix so she knows to bring it carry it around the campsite don't blame me for doing it that's what you should do is show.
- [47:19]
B
Your product it's not so i don't think it's her product because i've actually worked with this brand many many years ago on my podcast i was doing like i would have a drink of the week and i would have different alcohol sponsors and they had sponsored and that was when they had just started and what's so unique about their tequila is they have a rose tequila okay whereas most people have like blanco reposado anejo this is their rose tequila um so she must have gotten some sort of brand deal with them i'm assuming or maybe as an investor now and is clearly just doing this to knock vita tequila which is lisa barlow's tequila company um i don't are we interested in housewives hacking alcohol anymore i mean.
- [48:00]
A
Is any is any hardcore housewife fan like going let me how dare she i only drink vita tequila like i feel like the like a wine thing is such a weird i don't think that anybody except for the queen herself bethenny frankel did people really kind of go oh i like a skinny girl margarita or whatever like i don't think anyone has ever been like true to the champagne that heather dubrow was selling once or the wine by wives of vicky and tamara or the what was pinot grigio ramona pinot grigio sonia's sissy talk or what was it called it.
- [48:40]
B
Was called tipsy girl tipsy girl.
- [48:44]
A
God there have been so many and oh then there was the peach the peach bellini oh yeah teresa of teresa's there's i mean there's just been yeah like brandy had a wine i don't think like you by you bringing in another one angie that you're gonna take one dollar from vita tequila but no because.
- [49:04]
B
There aren't many dollars going to vita tequila as it is right so then.
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A
She brittany brings up now who brings up the vita tequila lawsuits was it.
- [49:12]
B
Britney or was it bronwyn bronwyn does.
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A
Bronwyn does where she's like well she likes to talk about todd and i'm gonna talk about her numerous lawsuits with her tequila company you know i'm a germaphobe but i'll let all my dogs shit around my coffee cups that todd brings home from a vacation when i meet him in a dinosaur halloween costume i will so she that whole thing was dumb and then so that happens then i thought this was kind of good when we got to britney saying something about her whitney rose's business yeah and then whitney rose just lays it out there and that was probably the best part of the night she's like yeah i made a big fucking mistake i spent all this money rebranding a number of times we put all of our money in it i don't have i'm in debt like i don't have a dollar i don't have the products and i had to like fire thirty employees and let people go and now people are doing tiktoks about it to like you know try to get some fame from it and it's a big disaster and i don't have a pot to piss in so there you go are you happy brittany with your bump it are you happy and then so then she comes around she's like well you shouldn't have said that i suck dick for money they're like what so like that whole section was good i.
- [50:38]
B
Think britney is one that i enjoy i enjoyed mary but now i feel like mary's also getting a little shticky oh she's putting it on she knows what she's doing whereas britney i think is really just there's a lot of naivete there she's very you know i.
- [50:52]
A
Think she's entertaining she's very entertaining and.
- [50:55]
B
I think she reminds me of like a matured shina shea right always in love with the wrong guys and like does all these crazy things for love and like you know and i think she genuinely tries to like you know get these other women to like her but because she tries so hard like it just comes across as comical whereas mary's kind of i've lost you know as much interest in mary or like kathy hilton like i just feel like a lot they play it up for the cameras now more than you know it was genuine maybe at the beginning but no i agree whitney's vulnerability and just being like yeah here you want to know i failed at the business and and that's what a lot of these like these aren't business women they think that if i launch a product and i'm on show it's just gonna sell you know but it's like you have to be at all the expos and you have to be doing signings with whitney to come and buy my jewelry and yeah like why are you.
- [51:44]
A
Suddenly gonna switch from your skincare line to like a five step skincare line of someone that you know is just a housewife it's like why you know maybe if you were someone like you know kim or whatever kim kardashian that had the eczema yeah like someone that has a real skin issue that you're like we cured it and once we cured it i worked with that dermatologist and we created this for people that have da da da this specific thing but like all these like whatever they call white label you just put your name on it it's just not the wisest way to go and most of the time these women don't lose money at it it just goes away cause.
- [52:23]
B
They don't have to put money into.
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A
It yeah and then but this is kind of sad she didn't need to.
- [52:28]
B
Hire thirty people though like that was.
- [52:29]
A
Her first so i asked ai i was like what happened okay so they said this is what happened whitney rose's mlm business failed due to a cycle of expensive rebrands poor sales financial mismanagement and controversial business practices followed by financial turmoil then it says the cycle of failed rebrands iris and bo rose's first whitney rose's first skincare company was rebranded into wild rose beauty the transition was costly and a scene from real house of salt lake city showed her spending a disproportionate amount of money to launch a photo shoot and neglected to feature the actual products this is always a housewife mistake yep it's because when they actually when the product is ready they won't be filming yeah so they're like how do we do some type of product launch or something but it isn't good and everyone rips on you wild rose beauty in two thousand four it was that it had secretly folded then soul people following the wild rose beauty failure that company existing inventory was funneled into a new social selling company called soul people which listed rose as the ceo co ceo and the rebrand was disaster with allegations of deceptive mlm practices that's where the people came out that worked for her that was like we bought all this product and then and then then there was another thing that happened then they said they had this launch event where the soul people canceled a three day launch event that's another thing that housewives do is they think they're tony robbins yeah and they're like why don't you spend three remember when teddi mellencamp had her like her retreat her wellness things and i just think women are so like looking for an answer like a three day answer of just like you know fix my life yeah and why you would think a housewife could ever fix your life i mean come on okay so then they go to the three that launch thing gets canceled and then by canceling it they only gave them one hundred dollars credit to the product now of course we know when people cancel stuff whether it's adele or whoever you've gotten off work you've got paid for a hotel you've gotten a flight that maybe you got one of those flights that you don't get the money back for all of that so that's why people were doing the tiktoks and were mad and then the husband the concerns were also raised about the history of rosa's husband justin who was also involved in a previous mlm company and ended due to lawsuits so you know we'll see what's going on so there we go with that but i wanna say why if this was why isn't they now maybe she had red hair for a month before this camping scene but she has red hair like why don't you address the red hair yeah i agree why wouldn't a friend just go like if i was a producer i'd be like someone just ask like why whitney how is whitney enjoying redhead life yeah like that's a pretty big move when a blonde goes to a redhead and i don't think it's ever a good idea.
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B
Sorry no yeah listen there were photos that i would see her and i was like oh maybe she can pull this off and then when i saw it on camera because you see it in his full context without lighting and filters and stuff and i was like oh i don't i don't like the red hair and then her story is that she dyed her hair red because her daughter's a redhead and she wanted her to let her daughter know that like it's okay like don't let people bully you for having red hair like.
- [55:53]
A
That'S that's i think that was another like rebrand attempt because her because she's whitney rose she should have rose colored.
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B
Hair yeah that makes sense and then.
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A
Maybe she gets into the rose to.
- [56:02]
B
Kill it it's really dark red hair like a rose like a subtle pink in the i don't know it's just would have been a little if you.
- [56:09]
A
Lived your whole life as a blonde stay blonde yeah my sister's been mon her whole life and she got someone to talk her into going like auburn well for like for like six she was that baby for four months and i was like you know when the person shows up you have to act like you love it i love it oh thank you oh my god it's great you know my dad was like i don't like it you know i was like beyond it and then yeah just some people it's yeah whitney leavitt.
- [56:36]
B
From mom talk from mormon wife she i think pulled off her red hair.
- [56:40]
A
Well yeah maybe she looks great she's.
- [56:42]
B
On dancing with the stars now it's.
- [56:43]
A
Just if you have been blonde your whole life if you you know it's okay if you bounce back and forth but like whatever so we'll see what happens with the it just was honestly and then when they were showing like what's coming up it was just it's all horrible fighting and screaming yeah in costume i just feel like it's and.
- [57:04]
B
I'M just like the show's become very produced based off of what i think they know has worked in the past on salt lake city so like the women are super savvy to it even like the narrating that heather does at the beginning of of like what are we gonna do all of us this person's having a fight with this person this person's having a fight and we're all five gonna be on a trip together it's just like it's all like it's kind of the same playbook that they've done for the last three seasons which like really worked in the bermuda season and last season had some good moments but i just feel like they're we're falling into this trap of overproducing and all the women are becoming too.
- [57:40]
A
Self produced and i love that they always call it the friend group instead of like the cast yeah and they never say the reunion they say what.
- [57:46]
B
Happened in new york in new york that's always what happened in new york when we were in new york it's like at this point we know it's the reunion yeah.
- [57:59]
A
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B
Horrible like it's like a slogan outfit.
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A
That is that marco robbie yeah wearing like the big bold like who you know what's a good title for a movie fatal attraction like come on like when you i'm not a brand manager but like jesus christ like this is not a good it's awful it's awful.
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B
What is the movie even about they.
- [61:36]
A
Open a door on the force and then go back into which honestly i would love to go back in time myself like if they if there was ever some weird ai version that i could just subtly like be have it be like nineteen eighty eight and like remember everything i think that'd be so fun and great it's not gonna happen so i don't need to see it as a movie okay cardi b cardi b is pregnant with her fourth child her first with stefon diggs i don't even is he what does he do do we know is he a rapper too probably aspiring anyway you know she has three kids with offset and i will say you know what she's living an authentic life to her music did.
- [62:22]
B
You watch her trial yes i loved.
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A
It it was good i watched the whole try i loved the bits but she is still that b she is that girl this is she likes she likes her men you know she had three babies with offset she felt like offset wasn't treating her right she moved the fuck along she got pregnant with another great guy and she'll have all the kids and do her thing and yeah she's living what she sings get.
- [62:47]
B
Them on and she really is pregnant cause that was the thing after the trial remember she had a press conference and they were like so cardi are you pregnant and she got mad and she like threw a pen at them and i was like that's probably not the best look cause you just got off on your last case where you were accused of beating the security guard she was funny in that trial though like she really is just she's one person that like fame really hasn't changed like she's still she's not trying to curate herself she's not trying to like.
- [63:14]
A
And i mean she was she was just on a reality show right and on that reality show was she an aspiring rapper at that time and so someone that just really like took that had actual talent and went for it you know and good for her good for her okay bravo just announced summer house spinoff it's called in the city so people have been asking for this for years once the summer house people end their summer house tenure why don't we see them living their life in the city and so i think it's a good idea but paige i guess won't be part of that or will.
- [63:55]
B
She no it's lindsay kyle and amanda and then andrea they're bringing him back into the mix he was the hot italian guy so no carl no carl.
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A
Did you see that it looked like the place is done the soft the.
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B
Soft bar already well this is like his fourth bar that he's tried to.
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A
Do the no alcohol well not no.
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B
Alcohol the other ones had alcohol and now it's no alcohol i don't like the idea of a no alcohol bar i just think it's boring go to.
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A
A coffee shop i actually was shitting on it and now i think it's possible it could do something it just has to be a good restaurant yeah.
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B
That'S all it needs to be i.
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A
Mean as long as you have really good food food yep and you have tons of like meet and greet activities for young people it has to be a place that you go to meet other people that are sober or want to be sober and that's the way i would make it i'd have something every night like the trivia the this the that even different games yeah and i'd have like healthy inexpensive food and just get people in there and out like like turn the tables over like that's the only way you're gonna make.
- [65:06]
B
Money yeah but you need like a lot of financing to keep it alive because it's gonna struggle for a minute and i don't think he has the experience because he hasn't had a successful bar i know he's tried in the past but i don't think he can i mean getting a bar or a restaurant off in los angeles or new york like that's a really hard thing to do so hard you know and it's so expensive just ask the two charms yeah i'm surprised something about her i mean i think they're trying to stretch that as long as they can but i don't know how many baloney sandwiches katie can keep making i just i i don't know how that place is still open well it's only been a year i'm sure they have like a two year lease so they'll probably try to ride it out as long as they can but it's really hard to build something like lisa vanderpump at least had a lot of money and she'd been experienced in building up restaurants.
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A
And whatnot but even she is smart enough to know that her ventures are now gonna be in a state that you know is an easier state to do business in being nevada yeah and there are cocktail bars where they have like four items of food they don't need a big hot oven yeah they don't you know people have their one twenty five dollars drink take their photos tag it and leave exactly what you.
- [66:14]
B
Want and she went to vegas where they're big on novelty like when you go to vegas you go to all the go to the m and m.
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A
Store and you get a vanderpump cocktail.
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B
You get your photo and like and there's always foot traffic in vegas for that type of stuff it's genius it's smart carl trying to launch his own bar in new york is not really.
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A
The vibe i mean i yeah i think it's i just don't like to be like a negative nelly who knows he bugs i've been waiting i still.
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B
Think are you gonna buy his book eat my cake suck my cake isn't that his book he has like a book come out and he has cake all over his face on the COVID and it's like eat my cake or let's eat cake or something and people are like is this his coming out.
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Book it's gotta be it's gotta be i think just like sheena held the secret of brock cheating i think whoever his publisher like if you can not come out until the book comes out and we will send the book out with a missing chapter and people will order it order it and then that week that it launches people will say oh my god this is coming out and then that chapter was so beautiful and da da da he's gonna get the plaid awards and then yeah and then there you go gay of the.
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Year yeah like colton underwood when he came out remember when he came out.
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Gay yeah he's a dad now yeah.
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He has a husband and a dad.
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And hosts that show about the virgins with yeah there's a dating show him and kaitlin bristow have but i think it's all heterosexual virgins i don't even know it's a dating like a young virgin show okay and i should have hosted that show i was an old virgin who dated all the time and dry humped my way through hollywood but i i think wouldn't it be interesting if like he wasn't but he just like had to sell the book well.
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If you are like did brock really cheat on gina yeah i mean yes do you think she's on the valley this season because we i haven't seen her film anything i've seen lala around at events and with janet but i don't i haven't seen sheena around anything.
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So i saw lala you know rebranded to unapolog untraditionally lala untraditionally lala her brother who's been the co host for like a couple years apparently is not gonna be part of it at least not on air maybe he's just producing i don't know and i mean in her case i think people are like this isn't a good idea i'm like i think sometimes you gotta switch it up and i think like maybe you know being like the mom of the two and wanting to kind of get away with that now she seems to be at all the events that she's definitely filming it and for some reason sheena is not and i thought sheena was like definitely gonna be on the valley but maybe they'll bring her and there'll be some big moment or whatever i don't know i don't know we'll see what's jax doing is he still giving advice to women no i think.
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All his projects ended his tour ended i think his podcast might be pause i don't know what his bar is gone i don't know what he's doing.
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He'S what's your prediction for him i.
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Could see him getting like a lucrative only fans deal and just leaning into that.
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Oh my god he's gonna get.
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Desperate at some point and they onlyfans and what's the other one there's another company that made like tom sandoval really big deal i know onlyfans offered erica to join when she was like at the midst of her scandal and what she did she know no she didn't.
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Oh she didn't do it tom sandoval.
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Deal they were cam soda i think is what it's called okay they're the like another like adult competing with the only fans yeah and i remember they made him like a really big deal or offer to like if you come on our site this is you know we'll pay you guarantee a million dollar yeah okay and he didn't that was during scandival but yeah he didn't take.
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That offer oh my god do you.
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Think well no he's he has a band on america's got talent he's killing.
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It i think i think reality stars more than anybody else has to make that money when they can make it yeah because it is fleeting and it's like i mean if it's not something that's you know really against your morals or whatever i say do it all do it whatever it is go on the band on tour go on the standup comedy tour when you aren't funny do whatever make all the money you can make because eventually it will dry up and people will stop going yeah.
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I think jax would actually do well on onlyfans like even though people hate you i think people would absolutely the gays would all subscribe to him yeah and listen denise richards makes a lot of money on onlyfans and she she gives everything you see both sets of lips like she gives a lot on only fans she's the i ranked all of the different only fans from the different different housewives and reality stars and hers was the best bang for your.
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Buck in your opinion you did a whole thing give me give me some others that are doing it that are.
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Brandy right brandy's wasn't great she didn't really give anything okay i feel like.
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She wouldn't be consistent in the posting.
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Yeah oh chad johnson from the bachelor bad chad his is really good he does everything like he even does like anal now oh he's gay too no he oh he's straight but he not he doesn't do anal with other men i think like with toys and stuff to himself yeah and then he like does stuff without the i'm telling you chad and denise richards are the two.
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Season was chad on oh i don't.
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Remember what was chad johnson he also did like famously single like he did a lot of those other reality he's the one that got upset with chris herring harrison yeah and he was fighting with chris and he's like look at you guys ruined my reputation so bad now i'm on only fans chris you should come on onlyfans too like he was just like a disaster on the bachelor which i'm excited for any other.
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Housewives like is dorinda still on only.
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Fans she did it for a hot second and it was like cooking videos people were so mad that she did that sonia did that for a hot second brandy has hers lars has hers larson didn't really show any like it's very it's lingerie lingerie and hear my feed and like but she doesn't show.
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And then you have to like pay more for her to to have a robot talk to her yeah yeah yeah.
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Okay it's funny i have like a.
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Boy from the philippines yeah.
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Yeah yeah.
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I love that she's like unapologetic about it okay they're gonna do a wife swap show with four housewives it's melissa emily doctor wendy from atlanta who's the fourth angie k and angie k from salt lake city and i thought when i saw the trailer i thought they were gonna switch with each other with each other and i was like oh that's kind of fun and no you switch with a real wife so again it's gonna be talk about schtick cause i know people that did the original and it's super fake yeah and instead of it being a week it's like two days forty eight hours and you sleep at a hotel and you don't sleep early at the house and you know they plan out all the stuff and whatever and so maybe it won't be as fake but obviously it's gonna be okay get in your highest heels to milk the cow you know and fall over well i think it'll be.
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More fake cause it's only forty eight hours so they only have a forty eight hour rule it is only a forty eight hour thing yeah these housewives are only they only are there i think for like two days okay so but then they have to cram everything into those two days and still have.
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Like the sad moment yeah see that yeah the thing that people don't realize what was good about about housewives is that i mean wife swap is there was this thing where in the end they would like kind of give their advice so if they were like a super liberal mom with like a conservative they would be like kind of learn from each other they'd be like a little bit of a moment like that but a lot of those people that were on that show are real fucked up today yeah like they found fucked up people and then being on that episode that was millions watched it this big fifteen years ago when there wasn't a ton of tv so like everybody watched it and then they did celebrity.
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Wife swap oh i remember that with like flavor flav and corey feldman was.
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Like totally furious of how he was portrayed then the stars when he there was jermaine jackson yeah and like yeah but no i think it's a good idea of course i would do it if i was asked if i don't.
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Love the women that they chose though like i would have liked to have seen like star power you know and.
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I just who's the star power actually shanna mador would have been a good.
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Shannon beador would have been good teresa giudice would have been good yeah like the bigger like when they did ultimate girls trip season one that was like the big ones they had kenya they had kyle they had teresa they had.
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Melissa do you think they didn't ask teresa or do you think somehow bravo were like these were the these are the ones you could have i think bravo might have been like these these you could have these ones and not.
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These ones probably to build these ones up yeah which then makes me think that's a good point yeah which then makes me think well because they were kind of like the side character like they need to now doctor wendy kind of needs to be in the forefront because they lost so much of the original they lost candace and monique good point good point emily i'm sure they're planning on keeping around melissa i would imagine is going to be part of the reboot like there's a reason they picked these four angie k i'm sure is going to be prominent on salt lake city this season and they're building the show around her now making her the center the center snowflake so i think they intentionally were using this to build up these four genius okay okay.
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Another genius thing kris jenner freaks out over leaked mac campaign campaign photos she's absolutely gonna take you all out and i don't know which one she's mad about the black and white or the other one but i think the black.
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And white i think that's like a leaked untouched version that came out okay.
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I think this is all a fake thing this is all a fake thing to get people to talk about it and she's in on it and it's.
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Because even the marketing photo looks photoshopped it looks like it's been retouched why.
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Don'T you be mad it's still really good like shut up yeah so i think that was all fake the new jersey we were just talking about new jersey reboot we don't know what's going on with that about the roni reboot that they're gonna save like aaron and jenna jen jen lyons anna or it's.
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Aaron psy jenna lyons jessel and jenna lyons is a maybe i don't think she's confirmed yet but i know aaron sai and jessel are the three those were the only three that i thought had the strongest presence on the show.
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And they actually like get along and.
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Have like a friendship aaron's the strongest on the cast i think she has the most like housewife potential she just didn't have anybody else to really work off of you know she didn't have any good foil to really bring out you know the the best parts of her psy i always thought was really strong she was really polarizing and the audience kind of loved hated her everyone really loved jessel who i just kind of thought was a bit overrated but.
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I talk about that guy trying to be funny all the time the husband yeah so whatever i can't i can't i don't care who comes on i.
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Just like i feel like the show.
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I don't know how much more i can take i don't think i can.
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Do a third season cause it's not even at least what you used to do and just like that it was so bad that it was enjoyable to.
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Make fun of you still loved the people and i'm like i just don't feel like anyone ever hooked in if there is a reboot truly of the oldies like dorinda and all that we will watch it even if it's boring even if it's not that good we will just watch it because they are them like they just they just say we want like they they were great because they would say things that were coming from a point of view of a privileged person living in a bubble that thought they were being nice and you know like i can just think of all the golden moments of like when countess luann went to talk to like these underprivileged girls about being a model and she was like oh you're tall now if you watch your diet maybe you could also be a model one day it could happen i know it's not likely but it could happen.
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You'Re like what losing weight is the easy part.
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Like all of it's so great and people don't and that's the thing you can say inappropriate offensive things and you can still sell out a theater singing your karaoke song you know like like you could do it because you stuck to who you are you didn't veer off you didn't act like that wasn't you you didn't say you're like yeah i i did i did whatever am i proud of it no it's not my greatest moment but i was living in the moment doing a reality tv and i was a fucking countess who was rich in new york so yeah this is how i saw.
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The world i think it's because they used to find these women that were just so out of touch with reality and that's what was so interesting about oc in new york in the beginning is like these women had no concept of real life whereas i feel like the newer women that get cast on these shows are trying so hard to become a caricature they're trying so hard to give us moments and to give us bits and to get deliver lines whereas like the real good like the luann's like luann is just as delusional now as she was when she first joined the show and you put her back on tv and it's still gonna give us everything yeah yeah same thing with ramona like ramona's still so kooky and wacky and you know is like they're just they're great television well we're.
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Gonna end it on just reminding everybody that i will be november fourteenth ten pm at the mgm grand that is bravicon weekend i will be there that friday night ten pm that show we are down to the last little bit of tickets so get your tickets now and i've heard from people that are like i'm gonna go but we're not going to bravicon but we wanna see bravo celebrities and where should we stay and all that that type of stuff and that is gonna be really fun so you know if you didn't get the tickets or you don't want or you're just gonna go do one day of course if you could afford to do all three days it's great i think personally i've said as a doing a lot it's a lot even for a fan and so i think the ideal thing is come to my thing friday maybe do the day saturday then fucking recap at the spa and brunch on sunday and laugh your ass off and like you won't feel like over super overwhelmed but do whatever you can do but just go to this show.
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Yeah i think that'll be my plan i'll be there that weekend for i'm seeing donnie and the they're doing their new kids residency so i'm gonna be in vegas that weekend oh that'll see.
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That'S another thing you could do that.
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One night too i think i'm going.
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Thursday and really kind of get a whole vegas weekend not just a it's.
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Whatever you want because like here's the even the last bravocon i didn't go to bravocon but i did all the parties at what weight watchers paid me at the last minute to come in and to fly into vegas and do a standup activation with them and i did and i was like i don't even need to go to bravocon cause there are so many parties and side events and after parties and all these things that you still get to do all that really fun stuff but i agree pick one day to do bravocon and just enjoy all the other just.
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To see all like the you know the outfits and all that kind of stuff i think that's super fun but you know but if you're not right near the thing it's kind of a it is a challenge to get there sometimes so you might want to then pick a hotel you could do this one where then you go to have a cute dinner go to my show that night next day do the bravicon go to the spirit of sea you know or whatever pumptini or also i think some of those events like the live watch what happens live they're separate tickets right so you could just do that there's a lot you could do but it will be fun but you gotta start planning it now girls cause i know you've got kids and sitters and you know ex husbands and husbands to deal with and girlfriends and wives and everything else so figure it out go to heathermcdall dot net comma and of course if you're not following zach you need to because he really delivers it so well all the juice and explains it well he doesn't fuck up facts like i sometimes do so tell everybody where they can find you yeah.
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No filter with zach peters streams monday through friday on all podcast platforms you can watch on youtube and spotify or listen on apple thank you so much.
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For coming thanks bye and doug here.
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