Traitors, Lisa Rinna Real Housewives’ Punishment with Zack Peter

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode: “Traitors, Lisa Rinna Real Housewives’ Punishment” with Zack Peter

Date: February 26, 2026

Guest: Zack Peter (“No Filter with Zack Peter” podcast)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into some of the juiciest controversies and stories in pop culture and reality TV. Heather is joined by returning favorite Zack Peter, and together they dissect updates on a missing persons case, Real Housewives franchise drama (including behind-the-scenes punishments and contract issues), wild pop culture theories, Bravo's evolving media strategy, “The Traitors” season finale, and the spectacle of AI, aliens, and other internet rabbit holes. They balance deep dives on tough subjects with their trademark snark and humor.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Savannah Guthrie’s Missing Mother & Crime Reporting

• SUMMARY: The episode opens with an in-depth discussion of the ongoing missing persons case involving Savannah Guthrie’s mother, who has been missing for 24 days. Savannah’s public plea and $1 million reward for information are contrasted against earlier, smaller rewards (offered by the sheriff, FBI, crowdfunders).
• Key Points:
  • The family’s delayed large reward seems to signal their desire for closure, even at the expense of not finding actual justice ([04:00]).
  • Public criticism about media attention and privilege around high-profile missing persons vs. other less-covered cases ([08:04]).
  • Zack is skeptical of the sheriff’s handling of the investigation: “He’s either completely incompetent or he’s compromised.” ([09:45])
  • Both agree the media (including themselves) will likely shift attention elsewhere unless new developments arise ([07:39]).
• Notable Quote:
  • “You have juicy crimes and you have... So I have juicy crimes...” - Heather ([05:48])
  • “This is another JonBenet Ramsey. I said that a couple weeks ago... one of those mysteries forever.” - Heather ([05:07])
• Timestamp: [02:57] – [10:33]

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2. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Drag Brunch Drama

• SUMMARY: A viral video shows Whitney Rose (RHOSLC) drunkenly airing grievances at a drag brunch, accusing Meredith of lying and legal wrongdoing.
• Key Points:
  • Whitney claims Meredith “accosted” her (not assaulted), and that legal threats stopped her from discussing it on air. Heather and Zack clarify nothing truly new was revealed—just that Whitney “went hard” on her cast mates ([12:12]).
  • Heather shares her own behind-the-scenes party encounter, confirming the housewives’ fractured alliances are real off-camera too ([14:00]).
  • Discussion about Bravo’s inconsistent enforcement of rules: new housewives follow protocol strictly, veterans bend or break them ([16:00]).
  • Housewives can be fined for bad social media conduct ($50,000 for Rinna, as documented in her book) ([16:47]).
• Notable Quotes:
  • “Trust me, you do not want to get fired from Real Housewives... You are not going to sell more lip tint when you are a former housewife.” - Heather ([14:55])
  • “I think they’ll only get a strict talking-to.” – Zack ([15:16])
• Timestamp: [10:33] – [17:16]

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3. The Bravo “Gatekeeping” Debate & Housewives as Freelancers

• SUMMARY: The duo bemoans Bravo’s tendency to clamp down on outside interviews and podcast appearances, recalling when these spurred key on-show drama.
• Key Points:
  • Bravo’s restrictive policies have ironically curbed organic storylines and snark ([17:31]).
  • Compared to Hulu, Bravo is seen as “fumbling the ball” on modern media, with Zack referencing several famous podcast-fueled fights ([17:40]).
  • Heather supports letting housewives “run wild” with outside appearances, arguing it doesn’t hurt ratings ([19:08]).
• Notable Quotes:
  • “This is what Hulu does really well... Bravo get so fucking stupid with this shit sometimes.” - Zack ([17:40])
• Timestamp: [17:16] – [21:32]

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4. “The Traitors” Finale & Reunion Predictions

• SUMMARY: Spoiler-filled discussion about “The Traitors” reality competition, including strategies, cast favorites, and Lisa Rinna’s role.
• Key Points:
  • Praise for Rob as a “brilliant traitor” ([24:35]).
  • Anticipate the traitors will triumph in the finale; speculate who might be murdered next ([26:56]).
  • Lisa Rinna’s supposed “roofied” incident at the premiere is dismissed as likely PR (possibly a leak from Colton’s team, who “needs good press ahead of the reunion”) ([29:32]).
  • “I think it’s a BS Story. She probably got a little lit that night...” – Zack ([29:32])
• Timestamp: [21:32] – [31:29]

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5. Lisa Rinna’s Book & Real Housewives “Punishments”

• SUMMARY: Lisa Rinna’s new memoir is dissected. She goes after Bravo/Andy Cohen, accuses the network of exploiting talent, and discusses her late mother’s passing during filming.
• Key Points:
  • Rinna’s long-standing rumors about Harry Hamlin’s sexuality are attributed back to his early acting roles, not actual evidence ([33:49]).
  • Both hosts dismiss persistent “secret lover” rumors as Housewives fan fiction fueled by jealousy ([34:39]).
  • Rinna expresses resentment about Bravo's lack of support after her mother’s death ([37:47]).
  • Heather and Zack agree that Housewives know what they’re signing up for—and any “punishments” or exploitation are, at least in part, voluntary ([36:56], [56:12]).
• Notable Quotes:
  • “When a camera's on you, you just feel pressure to deliver.” - Zack ([37:02])
  • “These are women who know what they're signing up for at this point.” - Zack ([56:12])
• Timestamp: [31:30] – [40:15]

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6. Pop Culture Rabbit Holes: “Glitch in the Matrix,” AI, Aliens

• SUMMARY: A lively, expansive segment on viral coincidences (Mandela effect), TikTok rabbit holes, the Miami Mall “alien” incident, and AI-generated videos.
• Key Points:
  • Discuss a wild Olympic hockey coincidence with the name “Jack Hughes” ([44:55]).
  • Various Mandela Effect phenomena, including “Shazam” confusion, are debated ([45:31]).
  • The Miami Mall alien conspiracy—where supposed “glitching” aliens and wiped phone footage fuel online speculation ([46:23]).
  • Skepticism about viral AI videos (e.g., AI-generated Ghislaine Maxwell sightings) ([63:45]).
• Timestamp: [43:48] – [65:12]

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7. Reality TV Retrospectives: America’s Next Top Model, Celebrity Rehab

• SUMMARY: Revisiting controversial reality TV moments in the context of today’s sensibilities, with a focus on Tyra Banks and “America’s Next Top Model.”
• Key Points:
  • Tyra’s “hot ice cream” business is lampooned as “gross” by Zack, and the viability of food-based celebrity brands is debated ([49:14]).
  • The ANTM docuseries is criticized for making Tyra Banks “the sole scapegoat” when everyone on the production was complicit in 2000s reality TV cruelty ([54:58]).
  • Celebrity Rehab and “Flavor of Love” are acknowledged as part of the problematic but iconic reality canon ([52:33]).
• Notable Quotes:
  • “We were watching it and eating popcorn and being like, yes.” – Heather ([51:58])
  • “20 years from now, we're gonna have a documentary series about Real Housewives.” – Zack ([56:12])
• Timestamp: [49:14] – [57:45]

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8. Playboy Legacy & Exploitation: Crystal Hefner & Holly Madison

• SUMMARY: Crystal Hefner’s efforts to block the planned public release of Hugh Hefner’s risque photo archives are discussed.
• Key Points:
  • The complicated ethics of publishing decades-old photos of former playmates, some potentially underage, are debated ([58:02]–[62:21]).
  • Holly Madison’s tendency to “unlock trauma” for media attention is called out ([60:11]).
• Notable Quote:
  • “Let us not forget that Brooke Shields was 10 and in the magazine when she was in Pretty Baby. So weird when you look back at that stuff.” – Heather ([62:01])
• Timestamp: [58:02] – [62:28]

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9. Brittany Spears, AI-Generated Content, and the Future of Entertainment

• SUMMARY: Brittany’s concerning social media posts, the proliferation of AI-generated content and celebrities, and predictions for both the advancement and eventual backlash against digital culture.
• Key Points:
  • “Free Britney” movement has unintended consequences; Heather speculates Britney is “on something for sure” ([63:02]).
  • Advent of AI-generated avatars, deepfakes, and even commercials using old clips ([63:42]).
  • Zack predicts eventual pushback against digital everything—a societal “reset” driven by nostalgia for real, in-person experiences ([63:53]).
• Timestamp: [62:28] – [65:12]

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10. Additional Juicy Bits:

• Ghislaine Maxwell’s billionaire boyfriend and the secret lives of elites ([65:45]–[69:20]).
• The “baby making farm” formerly owned by Epstein, now converted for religious purposes ([69:20]).
• Tourette’s controversy at the BAFTAs: a man with Tourette’s shouted racial slurs during the ceremony, causing an industry stir ([70:01]).
• Bravo/Housewives odds and ends: Amanda filming rumors, Sutton’s drinking, Rachel Zo’s refreshing presence, and debates about Housewives’ personal life decisions and parenting chronology ([73:16]–[79:31]).
• Plastic surgery and RHOBH’s perpetual youth: “Thank God for plastic surgery. It's, like, really amazing.” – Heather ([80:29]).

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On the missing persons case:
  “I think she wants to take care of her own mental health and wants to move on… She's a mom. She has kids of her own. Eventually you have to.” – Heather ([07:39])

• On Bravo’s media strategy:
  “Bravo gets so fucking stupid with this shit. It pisses me off.” – Zack ([17:40])

• On Housewives contracts and fines:
  “Well, Rinna said she got fined, what, $50,000 in her book.” – Zack ([16:47])

• On Lisa Rinna and Bravo exploitation:
  “She goes at Andy and Bravo… talks about how they exploit the women and how they use them…” – Zack ([37:47])

• Reflecting on Reality TV Cruelty:
  “We loved Simon Cowell on American Idol. People loved that, the harshness, right?... Now we look back and we’re like, oh, that was terrible.” – Zack ([55:38])

• On Housewives life choices:
  “If you're so determined to go through all the process… why wouldn't you get married to him? Because it's a bigger commitment to have the kid together than it is to get married.” – Heather ([77:02])

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Engaging & Memorable Moments

• Heather’s behind-the-scenes party gossip about Whitney, Lisa, and Meredith at a Housewives event ([14:00]).

• Drag brunch scoop:
  “She was lit and she was feeling that crowd.” – Zack, on Whitney Rose’s viral tirade ([12:19])

• AI & Trend Nostalgia:
  Discussion of TikTok-driven urban myths, AI deepfakes, and society’s looming pivot away from digital oversaturation ([45:31], [63:45]).

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Key Timestamps for Main Segments

• [02:57] – Opening, Savannah Guthrie case
• [10:33] – RHOSLC Drag Brunch incident
• [17:16] – Bravo’s interview policies & show/story bleed
• [21:32] – “The Traitors” finale/reunion/lisa Rinna “roofie”
• [31:30] – Lisa Rinna’s book & Housewives contracts
• [43:48] – Glitch in the Matrix/mandela effect/aliens
• [49:14] – Pop culture docu-series/ANTM/Tyra Banks
• [58:02] – Playboy, Crystal Hefner, public archive debate
• [62:28] – Brittany Spears’ latest/AI optimism & backlash
• [65:12] – Ghislaine Maxwell rabbit hole
• [70:01] – BAFTAs/Tourette's incident
• [73:16] – RHOBH mini-segments
• [80:39] – Plastic surgery, light gossip, episode close

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a quintessentially “Juicy Scoop” blend—Heather and Zack offer detailed, personal insight into the underbelly of reality TV, toss in wild real-world mysteries, and sprinkle everything with sharp humor and pop culture wisdom. It’s accessible for both Bravo aficionados and fans of scandalous Hollywood talk.

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Where to Find Guests

• Zack Peter:
  “No Filter with Zack Peter,” streams five days a week; behind-the-scenes “Tour Tapes” on YouTube & Spotify.

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Transcript

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[Zach Peter]

Woo. Woo.

[Heather McDonald]

Hannah McDonald's juicy scooch. Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have one of your favorites, Zach Peter from the hit podcast no Filter with Zach Peter. My friend. He is on it. He is doing so much for us all in his research and analogies and everything else. Well, let's get into it. As of now, we're recording this on Tuesday afternoon, and we heard from Savannah Guthrie this morning and saying that she is now they're offering 1 million to anybody that can offer information that would lead to the return of her mother, whether she's well or in fact, passed. And I don't know if that means leading to the person who did it or just getting her mom. It sounded like it was just to get to the mom.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, it sounds like she just wants the body back now.

[Heather McDonald]

And I mean, to me, it's very, very sad. But I also feel like this is a place where after 24 days, they're just kind of like, you know what? We want this to have some type of conclusion. Even if we don't get the answer, this is saying we're gonna probably get on with our lives a little bit. What do you think?

[Zach Peter]

I mean, I don't know. I've covered this every day for the last 24 days.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, you have.

[Zach Peter]

And I was shock family didn't offer anything sooner.

[Heather McDonald]

I agree. I was like, why wouldn't this have been, like, the first week?

[Zach Peter]

But I mean, the first couple of days, all that was offered was $2,500.

[Heather McDonald]

That was from the.

[Zach Peter]

The sheriff.

[Heather McDonald]

Sheriffs, yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And then it was like, then I saw 50.

[Zach Peter]

They upped it. The FBI came in, they upped it to 50, and then it got up to 100. And then people started crowdfunding themselves, and, like, they started to go fund me, and people were making, like, private donations, which was just looking even more bizarre for the family. So, I mean, I don't know where we even go with Nancy Guthrie at this point. I think it's. I don't even know if they find her. This is another JonBenet Ramsey.

[Heather McDonald]

I said that a couple weeks ago. I'm like, I think that this is gonna be one of those things that's sadly going to be one of those mysteries forever. I hope not. But I just have that feeling. And we're gonna look back on it and we go, remember that.

[Zach Peter]

But how does that Happen, Heather, in 2026, where everything is surveillance, we all have a GPS in our pocket. Like there's cameras everywhere. This woman had a pacemaker that connected to Bluetooth and suddenly this whole lady just disappeared. And we, we have no trace of her for 24 days. Like that to me is the wildest, the wildest thing. And I don't believe that this was a random kidnapping. You have juicy crimes and you have.

[Heather McDonald]

So I have juicy crimes and I just spoke to Matt Murphy about this, which will air in a couple days. So I'll say the preview. He believes his theory, you know, is that she is gone and that it was something very deviant and they took the body to hide the evidence.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, I think.

[Heather McDonald]

And it was deviant. Like it wasn't. He said you don't age out of essaying. So it doesn't mean that that doesn't happen. It's just. That's what he. That's his theory, which not a lot of people have said that theory as being someone that's prosecuted like heinous crimes. I don't know all the connections. I've talked about it as well. It's weird. It's strange. There's so many weird coincidences and strange things that you've talked about that I've said that at this point. Yeah. I'm like, I'm really sad too. But as far as someone to report on it, like that's what's going to happen. We are going to stop reporting on it as well. Well, also because if there's nothing else that's out there, if no more information gets put out there in finding it, then. Then some. Then we move on to something else.

[Zach Peter]

I think something happened to her and the kidnapping was a cover up.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

That's the only thing that makes sense.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Which is basically what he's saying.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. I mean, I didn't consider the essay

[Heather McDonald]

part and I feel like she knows it from what she said.

[Zach Peter]

I think she knows it. I think she's known it for a while and like.

[Heather McDonald]

And accepted it. But also by offering the million dollars, almost like even if we never hear from anybody.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Just.

[Heather McDonald]

I feel good knowing that I offered a million dollars. I've accepted that. You know, she's dancing in heaven with my dad.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And like she just. At this point, I think she wants to take care of her own mental health and wants to move on.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And you can't blame someone for wanting to do that. She's a mom. She has kids of her own. Like eventually you have to. And she's. It's been so public that it's like you know, she has to kind of put a little button on.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. There has to be some closure. And I mean. Yeah, I agree. Finally putting up the reward, I think does kind of at least know that at this point, she's done everything that they can. I thought it was really big of them to also donate the 500,000 to help, you know, with abducted children and children that go missing. I thought that that was also, you know, really big on them, because that was like, another big thing. Another big piece of criticism that I think the public had was that, you know, there are so many other cases where people and kids go missing and they don't get this level of attention

[Heather McDonald]

and publicity, which, again, it's very nice that she has to do that. But again, it's like the same type of thing in this world that we live. It's like, can I even have one moment whether I'm celebrating something great, like, you know, an Olympic win? Yeah, but you did this wrong, you know, or. I'm trying to find my mother, and I'm. I have a right to be sad and grieving and freaking out. But, you know, why is it that you're. Because you're privileged. We know about your mother and not other people. And I'm part of this world. So it's like, I get it. Where it's just like. But that is nice that they did that. They covered all the bases. And, like, I get it, too.

[Zach Peter]

I think the part that, for me, and I think I've, you know, seen online of more of, like, the. The part that was more frustrating from the public was. It's like, it was. To me, it was just very strange that we didn't see the family. Like, if you have these resources and this access, like, wouldn't you be turning over every stone? Wouldn't you be on the. The Today show every single morning trying to keep your mother's face relevant and around and alive? Like, everything about the family's behavior to me was just very bizarre and strange, Even with the REWARD now coming 24 days late, which I don't think will substantiate into anything, unfortunately. I think the case has just run cold. I think the sheriff has completely butchered the case. Whether that was intentional or not, I don't know. Um, I've always said he's either completely incompetent or he's compromised. And I just think we're. There's gonna be a lot of questions out there.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, on the bright side, maybe it will, you know, if it is some weirdo dude that weirdo guy might have a mom, might have a sister, might have some friend who's Heather.

[Zach Peter]

He's kept this lady for 24 days. I don't think she's gonna have a come to Jesus moment.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I don't think that she. I'm saying. Yeah, I don't think she's on Earth anymore.

[Zach Peter]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm saying, but somebody might know something.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Or even if you don't have. Good. If you don't have more than. I have a hunch.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

The weirdo two streets down. This. Lived with his mother for five years. I think he's a weirdo. And they could call and go, can you just check out that guy? And if it turns out he is responsible or he confesses, then, hey, you get a million dollars. So it's like, even if you have a hunch, but you didn't want to be that mean person like they did with the poor Uber driver, then maybe you. You know, maybe you could have. So I think in that case. Okay, let's move on to something else. Okay. So Whitney Rose of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City got to do a fun, boozy drag brunch. And the videos have gone all over, and she is definitely buzzed, if not more. And the women get to come up and ask questions, and this girl comes up and she's like, I just want to know, do you know what happened with the person? I mean, the woman asking the questions, Drunk. And then Whitney's like, are you asking if I know what happened on the plane? Yes, I do. And Meredith is a fucking bitch, and she's a liar. And then the crowd's like, woo. And then so she's like, yeah, like, this is her starting moment. I hate her more than I hate Lisa Barlow. And the reason I didn't talk about it is because they have bigger lawyers than I do, and it's a legal issue. And let's just say Meredith assaulted her. Didn't she say that?

[Zach Peter]

Accosted her.

[Heather McDonald]

Accosted her. So I guess that doesn't mean hands on her. That would just mean screaming at her, which we already know that.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So I don't know why people were screaming like they were getting scoop into scoop, because I don't think they were. Like, she was just saying, we know she hates Meredith.

[Zach Peter]

I think. Yeah. I think it was just the fact that they liked that she was going so hard on Meredith and Lisa and calling her every name in the book. Yeah, that was what I mean. She was lit and she was filling that crowd.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, now that it's all out. When I went to the white party that Kyle threw where it was part of their Ultimate Girls Trip tour. So they had like all the housewives there and Whitney looked beautiful and she's very nice. And we were talking and across the way was Meredith and Lisa and she was no way talking to them. And then Bronwyn shows up and they're good and they're talking and there I'm standing there and I didn't share this because I thought I'm not going to be invited to these parties unless I tell. But now that you're talking about it on a brat a brunch, I'll tell you. So that we were standing there because I did like mention it and then someone's like, you never told on Patreon? And I was like, well, I don't want to ruin the plot. And I'm like, oh, fuck that. Anyway, so anyway, so I'm standing there and Giselle comes over and she and Whitney know each other well from the Top Girls Trip Thailand or wherever they went. And Lisa Barlow is on this current thing that they're filming. She's representing Salt Lake. And they took that moment to really let Gisele know, you better watch out for Lisa Barlow. And you know the, everything she said on the stage, she said there. And that you know, she's a liar and she will take something that you tell her and use it against you. And you know all the things that they think they're doing behind the scenes as far as social media related and, and giving info to a third party and all of that. So yeah, they stayed on either ends of this party. And then what she says here is like, and I might get fired. And I'm like, what are you doing, girl? Don't throw that shit around. Yeah, you just lost your life savings on an mlm that now is now you have good opportunity coming back with this business. Trust me, you do not want to get fired from Real Houses of Salt Lake City. You are not going to sell more lip tint when you are a former housewife versus being on the show.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Where's Monica Garcia? Like, I just, I'm sure she'll get fined. I don't think she'll get fired, but

[Heather McDonald]

I think she'll only get a strict talking to.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, because I. Yeah, they know she can't afford a fine.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think she'll get in trouble that, that much in trouble because it's just gonna make people wanna watch it when they come back.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But I think that you'll get a strict talking to. And I think they'll say, you can no longer do live events, brunches, dinners, whatever.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You can no longer do live events on stage. Whether it's, you know, what. Whoever's hosting. And it's not the drag queen's, you know, fault, like.

[Zach Peter]

Well, that's why they stopped letting them all do live podcasts. I'm surprised that they even let them do these stupid drag brunch.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think she asked. I mean, I think. I think.

[Zach Peter]

Well, because she's an ally. She needs to support the community. Remember, she did her tour, her gay tour.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I think that what it is is that it's like the rules don't apply to everybody, and that's what they get mad about.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And so I think what happens is when they are new, they're so scared, they're like, okay, I'll make sure that I don't even do my mother's podcast without making sure that Bravo approves it and everything. And then after a while, they're like, what do I. I'm gonna do what I want. Then they do it. And if they behave and they're fine, then Bravo's not on their ass. And then when they start doing this, then. Then they get a strict talking to, and they're like, okay, now you can't do that. Or, you know, or they. They have been fined. I do know housewives that have been that in the contract, you get fined if you write something nasty in social media and then you get fined for that, which is crazy.

[Zach Peter]

Well, Rena said she got fined, what, $50,000 in her book.

[Heather McDonald]

$50,000.

[Zach Peter]

That's crazy.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I feel like it all feeds each other, and I'm like, unless you're going to do what Australia does and takes the social media stuff from the reality stars while they're performing and you're posting and, like, protecting them in that way. Because before, they used to have to write the blogs.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And the blogs were approved.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And they knew. And then everyone would read each other's blogs, and that's what they would be fighting about on the reunion.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Now it's. You know, I heard what you said at the drag brunch. I heard what you said on Watch Live. I heard what you said on the podcast. I heard what you said at Bravo Con.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. I feel like Bravo really fumbles the ball with that, though, because they try to gatekeep everything and prevent them from, like, this is a great moment that's going to lead to a great moment on the show.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Zach Peter]

You know, it's going to. It's going to cause a fight. I totally agree. Like, this is what Hulu does really well with, like, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is they lean into, like, Bravo, get so fucking stupid with this shit sometimes. And it pisses me off because I remember at the very beginning, like, my podcast drove so many fights and. And storylines. I mean, Ariana versus Lala came from my podcast. Lindsay versus Hannah Burner came from my podcast. Like, so many Lisa, Rinna and Kathy came from my podcast. Like, so many of those. And my clips have been played on the show. And then eventually Bravo's like, no, we don't like that. And so they started gatekeeping everything and preventing people from doing interviews and stuff. And then it just kind of screwed up the whole game. Whereas, like, Hulu has leaned into these women being tick tock stars and, like, allows that to unfold organically. I mean, they could be a little quicker about getting the seasons out, but, like, they've embraced it because at some point the worlds are going to merge. And rather than Bravo, like, okay, like, you really think Alex Baskin getting the exclusive with his Bravo podcast is really going to do, like, watch what happens live. And. And Alex Baskin's podcast are now, like, gatekeeping those interviews. And look at, like, his interview with Jax, like, what a. Like, the aud audience hated that because he, like, gave Jax a pass for doing drugs on Vanderpump Rules. And like, the audience sees through that shit.

[Heather McDonald]

And also, you know what? I'm going to take back also the feeling that I had when Katie and Tamara and whoever leaked all that was happening in the OC because it didn't make us watch it any less.

[Zach Peter]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

So at this point, I agree with you. Yeah, let them freaking run wild. Talk where they want to talk, promote their stuff. They got to make the most money they can make while they're in this position. And their job is to be on the show, but their job is being on a show and doing podcasts and doing videos and doing interview shows. And so if they're gonna be, yeah, snarky on Watch what Happens Live. And he always is putting them in a position to say horrible shit about each other. And, you know, and they don't like it when you take the fifth every time. So then it's like, so then, you know when they can do a long hour podcast with someone and actually, yeah, maybe there'll be some little snarky storyline, but maybe there'll be also Something really interesting that was like, wow, I didn't know that you were a registered nurse. Like, that's. Oh, my God. I really like you now. Like, by doing that, you're talking about Anna Marie. No. Well, I mean, what. I'm just bringing up anything where. Cause I always been doing it a long time too. So I would always have a new housewife kind of come and get their whole life story, which I still like to do now. I kind of like. Well, if there's an interest there, I still like it. Because what I love is when people were like, I never liked this person and now I heard them on the show and I like them because we talked for an hour and 20 minutes. But yeah, I thought it was funny. And of course she got boozy and she said, I'm never gonna drink when I'm on stage again. Because she got real buzzed at the BravoCon.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then she's also, you know, sitting there throughout the season concerned about Meredith's drinking.

[Zach Peter]

Yep.

[Heather McDonald]

And I mean, of course, I don't blame her. They get nervous, you know, with her

[Zach Peter]

glass of wine in her hand.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, a lot of housewives do live shows before. And because they're not live performers, you know, especially in the beginning now they have a lot more confidence after doing Bravican and stuff. They get real nervous.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. And they do.

[Heather McDonald]

And they do kind of over drink. Cause they're scared, you know, and that can lead to problems. And I have been at a live show of my own that led to some real problems. But, you know, anyway, then they have their own show and they have to do it. But I like her skirt. And we'll see. That's what I. I don't think much is going to happen though.

[Zach Peter]

No. Give me more of these drag brunches, though. I want them to.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, they're gonna keep them all. Yeah. I love it. Is great. Okay, let's talk about the Traders. So if you are not watching, won't matter because today is the finale and the reunion. So I don't really care if you want to skip like five minutes, but we're going to talk about it right now. So I'm all caught up.

[Zach Peter]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And I really do, like, I've talked about the streams before the show. I really do like it. It does for something that when it first started, I was like, so you're a traitor, you're faithful. Like, that's the whole game of just wondering who's lying. Is there really enough to this? But they do such great things with the casting and they do switch it up every season. So what? The rules that applied last season don't apply this season per se. And I mean, it is fun. Quints is all about elevated essentials that feel effortless. Designed for layering and mixing, each pie helps build a timeless wardrobe made to last with versatile silhouettes and thoughtful details. They're the kind of styles you wear again and again. I love my white linen blazer. It just goes perfectly with everything from shorts to jeans, sundress. And I wear it throughout the year because it's that stylish. The quality is there and it lasts season after season. And I think that's so important. Quince uses the highest quality materials like 100% European linen and organic cotton. Refresh your wardrobe with quince. Go to quince.com jucy for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com juicey to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com jucy so I was at a lunch the other day with a bunch of women that I was meeting for the first time and one person was not ordering a lot and she was on the GLP1s, which of course started the conversation. How do you get it? Does your insurance pay? How do you keep it going? What are, what are you supposed to get off of it? How much do you take of it? So I recommended to her Ro. Ro offers the first FDA approved GLP1 pill for weight loss at the lowest cost around. And the new GLP1 pill has the same weight loss ingredients, the shot, and packs comparable results to the shot. That's one daily pill for fewer cravings and feeling fuller. With an innovative new formula clinically proven to maximize weight loss. Go to RO Co Juicy Scoop to see if you're eligible for the new GLP1 pill on RO. That's RO Company Scoop to get started on RO. Go to RO CO Safety for boxed warning and full safety information about GLP1 medications.

[Zach Peter]

It's a good season too. It's a good cast. I mean, I don't love the faithful that are left on the show, but like the cast itself was good. Like Lisa, Rinna was great on this show. Candace great on the show. Portia great. Like the housewives came and they delivered a lot. I actually think Rob is a brilliant trader. He's made it all the way to the end.

[Heather McDonald]

All the way to the end. And I do think it's really interesting where Then he would. They, like, turn it on people. They're like, you know, he's a traitor. And he's like. Says to the other girl, no, I just think it's weird that you were, like, cold to me today. Like, just starting. Just starting it up. And it's just so. I mean, I just saw a video of someone going. I rented a. He invited 20 of his friends and they had like a trader's weekend and like on, you know, some whatever place. And I thought, oh, my God. And they're like playing. They're doing the tape, kicking people out and how. Who is it gonna be? And I think it's. I have a whole idea for a show. I'm gonna just come to my patreon. It's too risky. Say it here. But I have an idea for a show that's like a traitors. But I. So what? So we. When we left off, I love that the two skating, Johnny and Tara, and I thought that was so brilliant. Now, would you have tried to split them up and kill one or keep them together to make everyone think that they're the final two traitors?

[Zach Peter]

Oh, I didn't even think about that. Only because I think they're. They're so dumb that, like, I mean, and I'm enjoying their friendship, but they're so bad at this game. I don't think anybody thinks that they're actually traitors, though. There's no way, like, it would be way too obvious for them to be that close, that friendly, and for them to be the two traitors. Like, it's too on the nose that I don't think anybody realistically believes that they're traitors at this point, or maybe one of them. But I think the only way you. The only reason to break them up is to break up their alliance. But I don't know if their alliance is even strong. Like, it's just the two of them. They're just holding on for dear life, praying they make it to the end.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, it really is just a game of, like, lying and being a good actor.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And so it is fun. So who do you think? What's your prediction? Because think this is going to air this morning and then you're going to. People, listen. You have a chance of getting it correct.

[Zach Peter]

I think the traders are going to win. I don't see the faithful winning.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Zach Peter]

I think that. I don't know if the traders are going to. I think Rob. It's hard because now Rob has a lot of, like, heat on him. But the thing Is there are two traitors. There's Eric and Rob. And are the faithful really going to be able to.

[Heather McDonald]

So. So in the end, there'll be the two of them, and then there'll be, like, four faithfuls left.

[Zach Peter]

Three faithful left because it's Tara, Johnny, and then Mark and Mara. One of them has to get killed. So it's three faithful they're gonna kill. We don't know who they're gonna murder yet. So there's.

[Heather McDonald]

I think they're gonna murder Johnny.

[Zach Peter]

Interesting.

[Heather McDonald]

I think they're gonna murder Johnny because the girl is a waste, and so is the other guy.

[Zach Peter]

It would be a waste. They need Mark because Mark is at least on Rob. Mark and. And. And Maura are totally on Rob's side, like, fully buying into the fact that they think he's a faithful. And everyone seems to be on Eric. So I could see Rob turning on Eric.

[Heather McDonald]

I definitely could see Rob turning on Eric.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, he turned on Rinna and. And Candace so easily.

[Heather McDonald]

I could definitely see him turning on. On him. And I also feel like he's someone who, like, really wants the money, too, and needs the money, so he doesn't fucking care.

[Zach Peter]

No. And I could see him going all the way to the end.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. He is good to look at.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I love his overalls.

[Zach Peter]

I love his overalls.

[Heather McDonald]

And I love all their fun outfits. Like, that makes it fun.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Maura's wig is a little intense, but. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Why.

[Heather McDonald]

Why does she wear wigs and berets

[Zach Peter]

all day and, like, different ones, but they're so big. Like.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

It's so obviously a wig.

[Heather McDonald]

Her face is so perfect. She's absolutely got the most gorgeous face. Where did she come from? A blood island or something, I think so. Love is blind. I didn't know.

[Zach Peter]

No, I think Love island, but, like, a UK Love island. It's some dating shit.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know. She's. That girl's stunning. Yeah, but she looks great. Yeah. Okay, so Lisa Rinna was on the show, and she, you know, had a great moment. I'm the most iconic traitor. And so TMZ has an exclusive saying that she was allegedly roofied at the traitor's premiere party. And I was like, I know you have a book coming out, and I'm not saying this didn't happen, but it's just weird. And why this would. It doesn't look good to the producers. It doesn't look good that this is happening at Hollywood parties and that it's her. Of all the people to roofie yeah. Is this a real story? Like, is this a BS Story? This seems so strange.

[Zach Peter]

I think it's a BS Story. She probably got a little lit that night because I remember seeing, like, social media clips of them watching the show and she didn't see. I mean, maybe she was a little tipsy, but she didn't seem like she was an issue because at. In those same social media clips you're seeing her react to being when they reveal that she's the traitor in the first episode, you know, But I. To me, this felt more of like a leak from Colton's team because they know the reunion's coming up because he

[Heather McDonald]

said, I was with her all night. I took care of her tell that she had only had a little to drink and she wasn't herself.

[Zach Peter]

And I immediately told her team and I made sure that they took her out of there right away. Like, it was just way. Totally agree.

[Heather McDonald]

Because he's still coming off us being reminded that he was absolutely horrific.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

When he was still in the closet and had a fiance and didn't know what he was going to do, he made that girl's life hell, Cassie.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And in every way. And so, yes, now he wants to create an image of I love women. I protect women.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I am your Now I'm the gay best friend that you want to bring to the gay bar.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Because I'll make sure you don't get roofied.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Because I have a tracker on you and I'll see where you go. No, I just. It seemed like such a clear leak from his team because they know he gets obliterated at the reunion. They know that, like, they come gunning for him. And so they're trying to, you know, preemptively.

[Heather McDonald]

Do we? But maybe they won't come gunning for him at three.

[Zach Peter]

They do.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, we know they do.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Even.

[Heather McDonald]

Even.

[Zach Peter]

Well, I don't know what gets aired, but they do. He, like, walks up. I've heard he walks off stage and they had to, like, get him to come back out and make sure nobody talked about Cassie and, like, it was a whole thing. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So I think his team knows that. So they're trying to, you know, plant these stories while also writing off the coattails of Rhaena's book tour right now,

[Heather McDonald]

which is great timing.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Cause, I mean, she just did a. She just did an event at Barnes and Noble and she talked about how, like, you know, she kind of brings up the stalker situation at the reunion. And then Colton unfollowed her.

[Heather McDonald]

Let's talk about it. What happened with Cassie and a thing called Tracker. Do you know that they can do that, you guys? Yeah, we do know. Lisa, why are you talking about that? You're so angry. I just want her to say to Colton, you're so angry. That would be amazing. Yes. So her book is out and TMZ came up with this. Today, Lisa Rinna addresses rumor husband rumors about husband Harry Hamlin is gay. And then it says Lisa Rinna finally addresses the rumors. Finally. Well, she was on Juicy Scoop And I believe 2009, 2016, maybe it was 2017. I think it was 16. And we talked about it and I said to her then don't you think those rumors existed because he was in a movie which I can remember every juicy movie. I probably saw this when I was 10. And it was. Her husband was a young actor at the time and he played a guy where he is the lover to a. So there's a man and woman couple. I think he was the lover. I don't know. But it was basically they were a couple and the husband says starts to go to the gym and be attracted. They like literally there's a scene like a gym scene where the married to a woman is getting attracted to the other guy and they end up being lovers and the wife ends up being like really accepting of it. And it was just a very. It was a movie to. It was a good movie to come out at the time.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Because this was. Has always been happening. Just, you know, I just went on a tour of Palm Springs and I thought about all the people that were leaving their wives for a weekend to write a movie script in palm Springs in 1955. But anyway, so I. But in it there were sexual acting scenes between Harry Hamlin and this guy.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I know that's where people thought, oh, he must be gay. And I said, do you think that's what it is? And she's like, yes, that is exactly where it came from.

[Zach Peter]

And. But there's like a whole backstory of like him having a boyfriend and living in Canada. Isn't that like a whole like. Isn't that the rumor that he has like a secret lover? And he like goes back and forth my thing.

[Heather McDonald]

We just addressed the fact that he chose to take this role which you know, a lot of people would have turned down.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Especially back then. I mean it was like literally late 70s when he played this part. But that's the rumor is that he has.

[Zach Peter]

He has like a secret lover in Canada and he like flies back and forth to go be with the lover in Canada and then to be with Lisa here in.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm gonna say I think that's a lie.

[Zach Peter]

I don't think it's true, but I

[Heather McDonald]

know that's the lie. I think that's a total lie. And I think that's one that anyone could make. There's one thing about Real Housewife fans is nothing makes them happier than to think that your marriage is crumbling, is fake, that your husband's cheating on you, or that your husband's gay.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Because they are already jealous that you're living this fabulous life that they're watching from their couch. And, you know, the fact that she's been married to him for so long is a huge success, especially in entertainment, but in any world, that she's thin and gorgeous and can dance around at her age. And so, yeah, somebody probably just think. And you know what? When you've been married that long and your actors and stuff. Yeah. Some people can go weeks without seeing their husband. And it does. It doesn't mean that they're not good.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

It doesn't mean that they want to marry anybody else or fuck anyone else also. You know what? Hate to break it to you, though. People get older and they don't need to have that much sex as they did when they were 24.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. I don't think they have a bad relationship. I don't believe he has a secret lover in Canada, but I don't even think she really addresses it in the book other than saying he's heterosexual. And, like, that's, like, the extent of it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So, I mean, I would love for her to get into some of that.

[Heather McDonald]

She always said the thing like, let's talk about the husband. I, I, I don't know if she gets into that, but from what I remember her saying, and I think she was on my show before that scene happened, the famous scene. I think she was. She knew to turn it up. Yeah, she knew to turn it up at all the occasions. So if something pissed her off, turn it up for the cameras. I think they're taught that by producers, like, hey, you wouldn't do this at the PTA meeting or at your sister's baby shower, but you're gonna do it at this dinner party when there's 12 cameras around you and you're getting paid if something pisses you off, Take your emotions to a level that you wouldn't normally because we're making tv.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, well, I mean, I don't even think they need to tell you That I think when a camera's on you, you just feel pressure to deliver.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Zach Peter]

And then she said that the producers knew, because she said that they ask you all these questions, and they try to, like, find your. Your buttons. And so she's like, I'm pretty sure they told Kim to say that, knowing that it would provoke me, knowing that we hadn't eaten, we had just traveled into Amsterdam. Like, it was the perfect start. They knew what they were doing. They got Kim riled up. They knew what button to have Kim push, and Kim followed her orders and got rented a snap.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Well, good.

[Zach Peter]

It was a great moment. One of the best moments.

[Heather McDonald]

Is there anything else juicy from the book?

[Zach Peter]

Not that I've read so far. I mean, she talks about, like, Andy publishing her text messages.

[Heather McDonald]

They all get mad about that.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

What are you gonna do about it?

[Zach Peter]

I will say she goes at Andy and Bravo.

[Heather McDonald]

She does.

[Zach Peter]

She goes. I was surprised at how hard she went because I'm like, what do you mean?

[Heather McDonald]

What did she say?

[Zach Peter]

Nothing. She just, like, you know, talks about how they exploit the women and how they use them and how, you know, she didn't feel like they had her back after she lost her mom in that last season, and she was getting all these, like, terrible messages online, and the network didn't have her back. And

[Heather McDonald]

it's interesting because I just saw her do another interview where she said my mom had passed, and then she had to fly to Mexico to film the show, and it was like, three days later. And, yeah, she's like, I could have said, I need a break, but I am a worker bee, which she is, and she's thirsty, and she doesn't want to miss being on camera, and she knows how it works. Who knows what story could break when you're not there? So you want to be there.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And she's like. And I know my mom would have been like, yeah, of course. Go do it. Don't. Don't miss this. Any parent would say that to their kid. And no parents going to be like, oh, when I. When I die, I want you to, like, you know, sit in your room for a year. Of course not. So it's interesting that in the book, though, she's kind of like saying, like, I didn't have to get the grace that I should have gotten.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, she does tell that story in the book, and she did make it seem like the show couldn't go on without her is what she says is like, the producers knew that the other women wouldn't deliver on filming and so she had to show up to bring something, to bring the drama because the show wouldn't be able to. The ladies wouldn't be able to carry it without her. And she says that she shouldn't have gone on the trip to Mexico, but she also kind of felt pressured to, whereas.

[Heather McDonald]

Which one was that?

[Zach Peter]

I don't remember them going. She said there was a fight between Sutton and Crystal, and that's what she talks. But the Sutton and Crystal fight, I felt like, wasn't that, like, in a cabin?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, maybe there was a second fight.

[Zach Peter]

Maybe. I don't remember them. I don't remember a Mexico trip.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Not one that, like, Crystal and Sutton were a part of. But, yeah, she says that she shouldn't have gone, but she also felt pressure to go. And, you know, that the network could have been better about, like, telling her, don't worry about not coming. Like, it's okay. But they didn't. They, like, wanted her to go, even though it only been, like, three days since her mom passed.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Well, nothing else.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, I haven't gotten that far into it yet, but she gets a lot of the housewife stuff done up front, so.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Zach Peter]

Mm. Mm.

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[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then also this, you know Jack, this is a weird Matrix type. What universe, which dimension are we in? So you guys know that Jack Hughes was the kid. The kid. See, I didn't say that. He's a 24 year old man hockey player. He got the winning shot right before a hockey stick hit him in the face and he like lost his teeth. So he won the winning in overtime goal. In the movie the Miracle, which is based on the true story of when we won last time, which was 46 years ago, there's a scene in the movie, someone was rewatching it and they're going through who's going to make the cut on the team. And the last person to be cut and not make the team in real life was named Jack hughes. So then 46 years later, Jack Hughes wins the winning goal. They are not related. It just happened to have worked out that way.

[Zach Peter]

What are the odds of that?

[Heather McDonald]

I.

[Zach Peter]

More glitch in the matrix.

[Heather McDonald]

Thanks to TikTok.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

There are so many weird glitches or whatever you want to call it, or coincidences or putting it out in the universe and somehow it comes back. Back. I. Doesn't scare me. I think it's kind of like, cool. I don't know. I don't know what it is. Yeah, I don't know what it is. But last week I talked about how the thing where you. You remember that the Monopoly guy had the monocle, that whole thing.

[Zach Peter]

What's the Met Mandela effect?

[Heather McDonald]

Mandela effect. That's whole one thing and then there's this other one where it's just like, oh, wait, isn't that strange? Or. And it happens a lot, like, in movies.

[Zach Peter]

Shazam.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Where you look into what's the Shazam Thing. That there was no Shazam movie. Or he. It wasn't with Shaq. It was with someone else.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Who's the guy? It's not. Shaq was. No, it wasn't Shaq.

[Heather McDonald]

The whole Shazam Thing is really weird

[Zach Peter]

about how the movie existed and the guy was in it, but then it didn't really exist. And everyone remembers he was.

[Heather McDonald]

It's just an ad or something, but it never was a real movie.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. And then someone's like, I think it's. I think it's. It's stuff like this. Like, it's. There are these glitches in the Matrix and then it like ends up being like a Mandela effect. Like, we go on different timelines, and then sometimes the timelines merge. Did you see we broke space when there was a. I don't know when it happened, but that was.

[Heather McDonald]

Cheat files dropped.

[Zach Peter]

When the Epstein files dropped, there was a big fracture in space. They like took a picture of it and there's like a. I don't know, somebody like, crack space.

[Heather McDonald]

Wait, do you know what I had. Searching for things recently, were you aware that In January of 2024 there was this weird alien thing that happened at the Miami Mall?

[Zach Peter]

Oh, yes.

[Heather McDonald]

How did I miss that?

[Zach Peter]

Because they wanted us to miss it. Okay, so apparently some. It has something to do with Antarctica. And I guess in Antarctica is where the aliens, like, live on Earth. And something about how the coordinates of that mall were similar to the coordinates of Antarctica.

[Heather McDonald]

They were turned around. It would have been the exact spot.

[Zach Peter]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And so these people were at the Miami Mall. Yeah, everybody was. It was January. And what the accounts were, though, no one has it really. On their phone.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And of course with AI and everything, who knows? But that they looked like 9 to 10ft, like black figures, but they were, like, not touchable. They were, like, glitching.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then all these cops came, and they said, oh, it's because teenagers got in a fight.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then supposedly, allegedly, whatever. Is. If they did have anything on their phone, it just disappears.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. The aliens erased it. Yeah. And the whole theory is they were supposed to go to Antarctica, which is where the alien headquarters on Earth is, but then the coordinates got wrong, so they accidentally went to the Miami mall, and then nobody was supposed to see that. And so now it's been, like, scrubbed. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But yes, with all those things, and you're like, well, there's got to be somebody that lives in Miami that knows somebody that was at that mall that day.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. They're in a bunker somewhere. They're hiding in, like, off the grid.

[Heather McDonald]

So it is very weird. And then, of course, they're gonna release the UFO files now. Just. Just.

[Zach Peter]

Are we gonna get a binder of that, too? Yeah, we're gonna get Jessica Krause from House Inhabit walking out with her binder of the alien.

[Heather McDonald]

That'll be the new thing. And I'm just like, whatever.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, at this point, like, it's so. I'm so desensitized. I'm like, what? Okay, we have aliens.

[Heather McDonald]

I love Tab. Love lady with the babies. And this one is Tyra. He did the whole Tyra thing. And this Tyra just looks just like her. I mean, it's just amazing what they can do on AI. Anyway, that was really cute, and. But, you know, she's trying to build this ice cream empire.

[Zach Peter]

Gross.

[Heather McDonald]

Which is hot ice cream.

[Zach Peter]

Gross.

[Heather McDonald]

Because she says, I want to have a legacy, and I want my legacy, I guess, to be Ben and Jerry's. Whatever. It's hot ice cream. And she said, you know, so many ice cream stores cannot do well in the winter, so that is why she created hot ice cream. So it's. I mean, I remember being little, and you'd get ice cream, Right. And then my sister and I would stir it up, and then we'd be like, it's soup.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So isn't that what it is?

[Zach Peter]

No, it's hot ice cream. It's not, like, melted room temperature or, like, kind of cold, like, melted ice cream. It's like hot. Like, hot chocolate.

[Heather McDonald]

So it's basically. Yeah. And then it's just hot chocolate or, like, a mousse.

[Zach Peter]

It's not hot chocolate, though. It's like. It's Like a warm mousse, which just sounds gross. There's nothing about. Nothing about hot ice cream makes me want to be like, ooh, that sounds delicious. Like, I want to eat Tyra Banks hot ice cream. Like, that just all sounds gross, I think.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I also think something that's in custard.

[Zach Peter]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

I also just think something in, like, a sweet, bad for you food thing is just not the way to go for longevity.

[Zach Peter]

No, Like, I wouldn't.

[Heather McDonald]

If I, like, if I was gonna get any kind of food thing, I would want, like, a carbless bread.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I would want, you know, high protein, whatever. A dessert that has, like, protein that's good for you. Like, I would. The last thing I'd be doing is, like, in. Look at where Susie cakes. Not Susie cakes, but what was the cupcakes that just went under.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, sprinkles.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Like, I just know that just stuff is like, not. Anyway, she got in a big argument, and Tyra Banks is sinking more than $50,000 in sanctions against her ex partner in the ice cream company. I guess a landline. I don't even. I didn't bother to look it up because I just didn't care. But, like, there you go. What did you think of the show? Did she take accountability? Did she not?

[Zach Peter]

I mean, not. I mean, I don't know. I feel like I watched it and I was like, wow. It's very obvious that this entire docu series or whatever was, like, designed to, like, make Tyra look bad. And not that Tyra was good. She looked bad and she was bad at that time. But, like, that was reality TV at that time. And you know what? All of us were sitting there watching her being like, call her fat, do this, her teeth, her hair. Like, we wanted to see her make the girl shave their head and cry. Like, we were watching it and eating popcorn and being like, yes. And now all of a sudden, everybody on their moral high horse wants to be like, oh, that was so. All of those reality shows were awful. Remember Celebrity Rehab with Gary Busey? And they're, like, having seizures and like,

[Heather McDonald]

let me tell you the Celebrity Rehab. My Celebrity Rehab story, Chelsea lately, had just begun. I swear to God, it was like our fourth episode. And Dr. Drew was on there along with this other comedian. I can't remember her name. But anyway, afterwards, he goes, I have to show you. And he had, like, his computer out. The show that I'm going to be on. I can't believe this is going to be on tv. Yeah, I'm helping celebrities that are drug addicted. And we're going through the process of it.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And so even then, he was like, I cannot believe we're doing this. I cannot believe that they said yes to this. So, yeah, it's all gonna. It's like, you know, I said that the other day. I'm like, it's gonna be Rocka Love. It's gonna be Flavor Flav, Flavor of Love. They're just gonna do those and, you know, and they're. Let's examine how bad we were 20 years ago. But I thought this was pretty interesting. So Kelly Catrone, who also had her own reality show where she was just a PR person. I didn't watch this one, seriously. But it was just like, she ran a PR company and she was just like, a bitch. She had a bitchy face. She was a bitch. She was horrible.

[Zach Peter]

She still has a bitchy face.

[Heather McDonald]

And she says, side note, J meaning J. Manuel in the fashion industry. He worked at a Mac makeup counter in Toronto. Tyra boosted him. And how did he repay her here? By writing a novel about her and the show, which no one bought. And now he is trying to become relevant by being out there trashing her again. Maybe he will get a deal as a spokesperson for spray tanning or filler. Well, the cheeks were kind of alarming.

[Zach Peter]

They were alive.

[Heather McDonald]

He was so incredibly rude to me. My first day on the show. He came up to me and said, welcome to the show. You are in the ejector seat, meaning anyone who sat in that seat. Andre, et cetera, was fired. Oddly enough, he was something at the end of the season. That's what he did at the end of the season. So I talked about this too, with Brandi and Julian. Some people thought I was, like, defending Tyra. I just wasn't. I just didn't feel sorry for him.

[Zach Peter]

No. Well, I didn't feel sorry for any of them because I. I bought into it when I watched the documentary, and I was like, oh, my God, Tyra's a. And listen, she's like, a lot right? Like, these were three dudes that, like, you know, were loyal to her because she was like, the boss on the show. And then, you know, they. She completely discarded them the second they got fired. And, like, the, you know, Ms. J and the Strokes being like, yeah, I feel bad for all of that. But at the same time, if you go back and re. Watch their scenes on the show, they were just as bad. Like, and why aren't we calling out Janice Dickens, who was, like, the worst and the most ruthless on that. And we covered it for, like, 20 seconds in the documentary and then just glossed over Janice and, like, made Tyra, you know, the tyrant on that show. And granted, yes, she was the boss. It was her show, but they were all complicit in that culture.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, it is really funny when people are like, when, you know, they all got picked. And I remember I said this, too. They. None of them were pretty. Like. Like, I was like, oh, is that. The whole thing is, like, we're just gonna take a skinny person with a sad story and, like, try to make them cute. I don't know. But they'd come out there and then so that there's a trend going on. Or maybe it's not a trend, but maybe a few people had the same funny idea where it's like, the guy's, like, holding a rotisserie chicken. He's like, after trying to get on America's Next Top Model by saying, my grandmother died at a chicken bone, now I'm modeling with a rotisserie chicken. And I'm like. Like, that is so funny. It is, but it's why we loved

[Zach Peter]

Simon Cowell on American Idol. Like, people loved that, the harshness, right? And that's what we tuned in to watch. Was it great? No. We look back and then we're like, oh, my God, that was terrible. But also, America's Next Top Model was on the show for many, many years.

[Heather McDonald]

That's what it is. But, like, yeah, it's entertainment. It's being harsh.

[Zach Peter]

It's saying, like, you when you signed up for those shows, yeah, you knew what you were signing up for, and you kind of knew that that was your cross to bear. Like, you just knew, I can get edited good. Like Housewives now, trust me, 20 years from now, we're gonna have a documentary series about Real House.

[Heather McDonald]

It's gonna be like, two and a half years from now.

[Zach Peter]

And Andy Cohen's the worst. And the Housewives had. They didn't know any better. And even though, you know, Crystal Minkoff signed on, 20 years into it, she was still accosted on TV. Like, it's gonna be that type of bullshit. It's like, yeah, we all, you know what you're signing up for at this point, you know that it's not gonna be this. And you just are hoping that at some point, you know, it pays off for you in the end.

[Heather McDonald]

Right? You sign up for this show and you, you know. You know you're gonna get divorced. Yeah, you know you're gonna get divorced. It's like, which year will that be?

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Or you're Bronwyn, you go in with the plan, you know.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, exactly.

[Zach Peter]

Eric and Jane, you go in knowing you're gonna get out.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. But I. I will say about Tyra, one thing I do remember is she had her show in la and then she took it to New York. And we had some people from that show that then worked on our show, and they did not have good things to say because they said, like, one thing. They were just really blindsided. But then I'm like, well, if the whole production is moving to New York, probably because of this show and stuff, again, legally, like, are you spoiling? You know, maybe she was told not to give the staff a heads up. I mean, that's all, like, illegally, but one. The other thing I always remember is that at Christmas time, the story that was told to me, whether it's true or not, I don't know that. For their bonus Christmas treat, she gave $5 gift cards to itunes.

[Zach Peter]

What? That was it not even 10.

[Heather McDonald]

Taught even 10.

[Zach Peter]

Can't even get about an album with five.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I remember $5 was what I remember in my head. Maybe it was 10, maybe it was even 25, but it was itunes gift cards.

[Zach Peter]

And.

[Heather McDonald]

And, you know, and then her whole shtick was being cheap. Like, that was a big thing on the talk show was like, coupons and everything. So it did kind of track.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But I do think people that are thrifty and like, a good deal doesn't mean that they're not generous, as with their employees and tipping and everything. But there. There's a story. But I kind of like that. Okay, this is interesting. So this is Crystal Harris, who was at one time Crystal Hefner. She was Hugh Hefner's wife when he died. She was also in the magazines. And she. What's happened with her is a few years ago, when she was still in there, she. At the house, she said she found, like, photos and stuff of girls that were naked, Polaroids and things. And she said, I ripped them up. And she let some people know that then she was writing her book, and she told the people on the board, I'm gonna write my book about my life and the good and the bad. I just want. You know. And they're like, okay, fine. And then she heard from the people on the board that they want to take these. All these scrapbooks that hefted, which he'd write about his conquests and the girls, and he had photos and all this stuff in these, like, scrapbooks and the board wants to like release them in like a library or make them public. So she was proactive and got Gloria Allred and they did a press conference about how, you know, so she's protecting the women that she doesn't know the hef did have sex with or whatever and say they should not, this should not be released because some of them could be underage. And that was really, that was interesting. And then Holly Madison, who was also his girlfriend before, spoke about it and kind of mentioned it, but she doesn't say Crystal's name. She's like, oh, this woman is doing this. And she goes. Which I find interesting because I believe I had a boyfriend who cheated on me and I believe he filmed me and might put it out there. So I want to proactively like put it out there.

[Zach Peter]

And so she always has a story, doesn't she?

[Heather McDonald]

Who? Holly?

[Zach Peter]

Holly. Every time there's any time she can like jump on the Playboy coattail, she has a new story about an unlocked trauma memory that came out from 20 years ago. Like there's always something, a new diagnosis, a new. I can't with Holly. I try. She's a sweet girl. She is. But like there's always a story with her.

[Heather McDonald]

And then one of the diaries, one of the pieces, paper that in the scrapbook I think that Crystal shared was this little girl and she sends her photo and she's like 10 or something. And she wrote the letter and I guess have saved it and she was like, I love the girl next door. I want to be on that show. What do I have to do to get there and live there? And you know, then people are like, oh my God. You know, again, this is what was so horrible about this show is that they made it look fun. And they did. I mean if you were 10, yeah, you were like, I want to live in a pink bedroom with my three best friends and go to Vegas with their grandpa. Like they never made it clear that anyone during that show had to fuck him.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So of course some 10 year old girl thinks that could be fun. Just like before that people would look at their dad's Playboys and read with the girls bubble writing how they'd fill out the form of what their favorite things are. And you'd be like, such a glamorous life. I would do this.

[Zach Peter]

You think you're a pretty model. You live in this big house, there's a grotto and all these fancy parties

[Heather McDonald]

and the outfits were so cute, the bunny outfits and all this kind of stuff. So I Thought. I thought that was. So that's what happening, is happening there now. She's. But, you know, I mean, it shouldn't be out there. I mean, let us not forget that Brooke Shields was 10 and in the magazine when she was in Pretty Baby. So weird when you look back at that stuff.

[Zach Peter]

It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I think obviously they're gonna try to capitalize off of half as much as they possibly can, but it's like at some point you have to reflect and be like, these are women who have moved on or even young girls that have moved on from that chapter of their life to have that come back out again, whether it's in a museum or to be released publicly. They don't want to go through that again.

[Heather McDonald]

I know, it's awful. How would you. Why would they even think to do it? Okay, Brittany is back. I guess she took a small break.

[Zach Peter]

The Matrix released her.

[Heather McDonald]

It's really bad. It's really bad. She's spitting around, you know, the house. Look at, like the. Look at the, like, hangers, just a rack. She's wearing a felt hat, cowboy boots. She's pulling down the skirt. She has a trench coat, makeup, hair. It's bad. It's really bad. I mean, I think I. I think she's on something for sure.

[Zach Peter]

They wanted a free Britney and there you go. There's a free Britney for you.

[Heather McDonald]

And I just feel like. Then I came across this video where, again, someone did a whole AI thing and she's singing and she's. I mean, it's amazing. Like, you don't really need to do anything anymore. Someone could put you in an outfit, have you dance around. You don't even have to leave the fucking house. I thought there were. I mean, there are definitely AI commercials. That Dunkin commercial and the Dunkin Donuts commercial with all the Friends cast and everybody. And Ben, that was them when they were young in a Duncan's commercial. I mean, they didn't even have to show up to do that super bowl commercial. Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

It's crazy how AI is just. I mean, that's. That's going to be the future. It's not going to be me and you here. It's going to be our AI avatars.

[Heather McDonald]

I think that. And then I think there's going to be, like a revert.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Back where, like, people are going to, like, not want a phone at all, want to meet in person, want to read real books.

[Zach Peter]

It's going to reset. Yeah. In time. It has to get really bad and really digital. First it has to be Wally. We have to be fat in the little things. Just like big bulbs just going around everywhere before we decide. Wally, the Disney movie Wall E about the future.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh. And it takes in the future.

[Zach Peter]

And all of the people, they're just like these big fat blobs. They're just. And their avatars are like what they are, you know, and they've just become. And they're just. They don't move, they don't do anything. So there's. They're just like these big fat blobs in a chair that just kind of like goes. They don't even have to walk anywhere.

[Heather McDonald]

Ugh. Okay. I. All right. I want to also say, speaking of AI, I talked about this the other day. There was a video out where this guy says, thinks it's Gillette Ghislaine. And it really looked like her. Like he, like he walked up on her living her life in Quebec, living something normal. I thank goodness when I talked about it, said I. It could very well be AI and if it's not, well then it's pretty compelling. And this woman really looks like her. Well, it's come out. It was AI and the original person that did it, his whole page is doing AI videos.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But then people pick it up and it gets 50,000 views or whatever. So then you don't know who the originator is and you're like, oh my God, is this real? But it wasn't. So I just wanted to say that. But one thing I did want to say about Ghislaine that people don't know is that she had this boyfriend. Because I read about it and I want to found more up when everybody says she was at the Clinton's wedding because there's a photo of her and they're walking down the aisle. She was her boyfriend's date.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, so she wasn't invited.

[Heather McDonald]

She was the boyfriend's date and his name is Ted Waitt W A I T T. And they dated. Let me see. They dated. He was the co founder of Gateway Inc. They were in a romantic relationship for seven years. It began around 2003 or 2004, shortly after her long term association with Jeffrey Epstein had ended, according to Google. And so she was fully involved in his life. And he had a yacht called Plan B, which is also weird. And she helped acquire it and renovate it. This big fancy yacht. And that's where people went on that yacht as friends of them as a couple. And it had a helipad and a submarine.

[Zach Peter]

Wow.

[Heather McDonald]

And on Epstein Island. There's that weird thing where there was like a hole in it where people could. And they're like, are people coming up from a submarine? So nobody knew that they were going there or they just had a submarine. So the relationship was described, you know that they, they, they got together, they separated in 2010. So from 2004 to around 2011 they were together and it was. The relationship ended due to a blackmail attempt by a Florida lawyer who threatened to name Maxwell in civil lawsuits against Epstein unless Ted Waite paid a large sum of money. That's what this is saying. When I asked him what's the deal with their relationship, Waite resisted the blackmail, but the ordeal reportedly led to their split. And that's based on Yahoo Finance article. And then he married a model and he doesn't want anything to do and he never talks about Ghislaine or anything. But they had a full on normal like billionaire girlfriend relationship also with elites hanging out on their yacht eating babies or pizza or grape soda or nothing.

[Zach Peter]

Or nothing.

[Heather McDonald]

Or maybe during that time, I don't know because I'm like that's where the timeline. I'm really confused. There was the stuff that happened before he was convicted, then there was the stuff that was after. Then there's this time that she was with him. Then they broke up in 2011. So then did she go back to working with Jeffrey Epstein? I know people listening know the answer to what I'm asking, but it is just like such an overwhelming thing. But I thought this part was kind of interesting that she was with this billionaire and. But, but like there was something else. Like immediately like he, when she got arrested, like he got rid of the submarine and like got real quiet like doesn't want anything to do with anything. So I don't know. There you go. Then this weird couple. This is from Julia Hub. These people bought the ranch in New Mexico that he ran the baby making farm at. Allegedly. And they're gonna turn it into some Christian thing. And I mean, I'm not saying there's a certain type of person that looks like they eat.

[Zach Peter]

I mean they look like they've eaten some baby back ribs in their day. Like that just looks so.

[Heather McDonald]

And there's some big billionaire donor Christian people, so who knows? Okay, the Tourette's thing is crazy. And you said you did not know about this. I can't believe I know about something you don't. Okay, so there was the BAFTAs award happened and this guy John Davidson was there because his movie was being honored and he Has Tourette's. And the thing was about Tourette's, and he's an activist for Tourette's while there are two black men on stage, Michael B. Jordan being one of them, about to give an award from the audience. This man screamed out the N word.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, no.

[Heather McDonald]

More than once.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, my gosh.

[Heather McDonald]

And it was like, well, then what? They. I found out they did ask him to. They did not ask him. They did get him to leave. Watched it in another room, and there's just been major fallout from it. As you can imagine, A black jury member just quit over the. The organization's unforgivable way they handled the situation. So, yeah, it. It's bad. It was, I mean, obviously horrible. But, I mean, I'm sorry. Say what you will about Tourette's, don't you have to have the thought in your head in order for it to come out of your mouth?

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, it's not just that. I mean, come on. Two black men are on stage, and suddenly it just comes out of your mouth?

[Heather McDonald]

Like, I said, it was like, out of, like, a Larry David episode of Herb. And it really is. It's like. It's like, I'm sorry. It's beyond horrific.

[Zach Peter]

It's awful. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

It's also fucking funny. Like, it's like, are you fucking kidding me? You had a Tourette's person who did a movie about Tourette's, and we're supposed to be sympathetic to people who have Tourette's, and then you're on stage and this fucking asshole, like, screams that out? I mean, and it's crazy.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, my God.

[Heather McDonald]

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I thought this was really funny. This guy. I am Sam Pez said, when you're watching the new episode of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills after show and this person shows up. So there's.

[Zach Peter]

Who is this?

[Heather McDonald]

I think it's so funny for people that watch Housewives and they've done it on every franchise where, like, they thought someone was gonna pop or whatever, so they bring them to all the parties, but then they basically didn't.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And so they're just cutting around them, like, where you're like, wait, why is that person back in the corner of

[Zach Peter]

the room, the old lady that they had? It was Erica. And whose dinner. Whose birthday was it? Erica and whose birthday Dorit? And there was, like, that random old lady that was, like, friends with bows that, like, was sitting next to her. I'm like, who is this lady? And why did we not comb her hair? Like, who let her on our screen. And this one too, who.

[Heather McDonald]

I also would imagine that if you are actually going to your friend's dinner party and, like, your friend is staying with you, you would kind of have to get approval from producers to be like, hey, do you mind if my sister comes to this dinner? And they might be like, we kind of prefer that she not. Would it be okay if we just let you leave like two hours in?

[Zach Peter]

Or.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know how they work it out, but I'm assuming it. But this girl, you know, she showed up at one of the parties and she had, like a completely sheer outfit on, I think, to get like a reading or something. And they're like, I love it. And she's like, ah. And you could tell she was really trying to get her story out. Like, I'm divorced. I like to fuck 25 year olds. And everyone's like, yay.

[Zach Peter]

It was so random. It was so weird. But, like, cut around her. I don't need her on the after show. I don't even watch the after show, and I don't want her on the after show. Like, I don't want to see her on my social media. Like, I don't have any more energy to invest in any more housewives.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, if there's something. Maybe I. I would think they wouldn't have her on the after show if she doesn't start to grow.

[Zach Peter]

I'm.

[Heather McDonald]

I. We both probably both heard that Amanda then stops filming towards the end.

[Zach Peter]

She said, that's not true.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, that's not true.

[Zach Peter]

She's denied it. She came out and she said that's not true. And she's at the reunion.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, well, I just was thinking maybe that was. And then maybe that's why. Then this girl shows up at other things. What's your opinion? Of what? Of the season.

[Zach Peter]

It's not terrible. I actually, no, I'm enjoying. I like Dorit. I think she's bringing a lot. I mean, it's a bit much, but she's bringing a lot. And I like Rachel Zo. I think she's really refreshing and vulnerable. Erica seems to be bringing it in the second half of the season. I mean, Sutton is, like, almost nonexistent this season, but I don't mind that. I think she's taken a lot of heat the last couple of seasons that you can kind of have a more tame season.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. And I think it's obvious where they're like, you know, oh, Sutton not having vodka is a different type of person. And again, you get these women that probably have always enjoyed drinking. Now you have a double combo of a. Your kids are older, so you actually can drink, like every night if you want. And you're at social events where there's drinks, and now you're on tv, which is awkward, so you drink. So I do think she's had moments where she's probably regretted going for that, you know, fourth drink, I'm sure. But yeah, I mean, the season, it's not.

[Zach Peter]

I really like Rachel Zo. I mean, the only ones I'm really that interested in are Rachel, Erica, Dorit, and Kyle.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Because those are the only ones I have any sort of emotional attachment to. I like Rachel Zo. Amanda is annoying. I kept trying to give her a shot and she's so annoying. Bo's. I feel like I'm kind of getting bored with her. I liked her at first and I liked her at the start of the season. And now I just kind of feel like. Like she's not giving us much. Like Rachel came in giving us a lot in her first season.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, wouldn't we know by now? Like, okay, so what the journey is, I guess, is she going to have more kids?

[Zach Peter]

She wants to.

[Heather McDonald]

So then it's either a surrogate or whatever, which I think. I mean, hey, I said in the beginning, I didn't really believe it. Obviously it's true that she really wanted to have more kids with this guy. I do think it's weird that someone that is a marketing quote, unquote, self proclaimed genius would think that this is a great marketing plan to have a child. Fine, if you want to have another child, but why involve this guy? If you want to have one more chance at motherhood, by all means, do it, but do it alone. And then if he's around, then gray, then you spend the rest of your life with him. But why would you involve. When you make the money and everything, why would you get in a position? I remember there was a Dave Chappelle sketch that was so funny when he had a show where the point of the sketch was he got Oprah pregnant. So he was playing an average dude and he was like, I'm set for life. I'm gonna get all this. I want to get all this child support and this kind of thing. I don't know. Like, if you. Why, if you're so determined to go through all the process of, you know, egg donating and IVF and all that stuff, then why wouldn't you get married to him? Because it's a bigger commitment to have the kid together than it is to get married.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Because once you have the kid, you're stuck with this person forever. A marriage you can at least divorce and be done with. Yeah, we're in Sutton. I don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

And I feel like people don't want to ask her about that. And, like, that's what I would be asking if I was there.

[Zach Peter]

I'd be like, it is.

[Heather McDonald]

Let me ask you something. You've had all these positions, you've worked in all these different businesses. You've raised this daughter that's clearly, you know, a delight and a great kid. You date this guy for under a year, and then you're like, and if I can't give him a kid, well, it might not last. Do you even want this? Like, it's just. I think it is weird at, like, 48, I didn't even think about it until you're going off to college. I think it's. And you're. This isn't your husband and you. Maybe if you never had a kid. I think it's strange, and I'm gonna say it. I still like her. I still think she's an asset to the show. But when they say, you gotta ask the tough questions and be involved, I do think people are scared to. I think. I think they get on the phone and they're like, I cannot believe that she's doing this.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Because, I mean, again, I did not even think clock that until you brought it up. But it's right. It is really strange. Like, why not just marry him? And also, like, why do you want to have a kid now? Like, your daughter's grown. Like, why are you gonna start over now with this guy while you're on a reality show?

[Heather McDonald]

And I'm like, if you're giving such great advice and you've lived, you. Anybody would say, hey, Bose, if you. I get it. You want one more chance at motherhood. And if your body can carry the

[Zach Peter]

baby, but it doesn't feel like she wants it more than she wants it for him. He wants it, and she's doing it for him. And one thing.

[Heather McDonald]

If she was like, we've been together for eight years. We've been trying for eight now. We're gonna go for a surrogate. Okay. That's one thing. Literally, it's. From what I recall, it's like they met like, a year and a half ago.

[Zach Peter]

It's a new relationship. Newer.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

I don't know. It's weird.

[Heather McDonald]

I think maybe she just kind of Was like, this is what I think's gonna happen. Don't think she's gonna have any more kids.

[Zach Peter]

You think it's a Melissa. Melissa Gorga. Let me find my lost sister.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think it's a storyline necessarily for the show, but I think it's something that she was like, you know what? I would like to have another kid, and this is something I could explore. And it's interesting. And I think she's sad when it didn't work out, but I think when more time passes, she'll be like, you know what? It didn't work out for me, and it's not meant to be. And then I think next season, we will not be talking about trying to get pregnant again. That's my opinion, probably.

[Zach Peter]

I can see that.

[Heather McDonald]

But I do enjoy her takes on the stuff. But if she's gonna keep it real, this is not a great life plan.

[Zach Peter]

No. And we need to get rid of this photo shoot. It's so ugly.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, my God. I totally feel opposite.

[Zach Peter]

Really?

[Heather McDonald]

I think they all look.

[Zach Peter]

It looks so tacky.

[Heather McDonald]

I think they all look gorgeous in these satin gowns and this, like, 1940s look. I actually think it's gorgeous.

[Zach Peter]

I hate it. The only one I like is Rachel Zo in this. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, she looks so good. When you. When she showed up on America's Got Next Top Model before Botox was invented, that was rough. I'm like, it's so crazy when you see someone like, 23 years ago that had, like, wrinkles in their forehead and stuff, and they were, like, 36, and now they're like, 58 and have completely smooth, more beautiful full face.

[Zach Peter]

Look at Kyle's face. She's in her 50s. And, I mean, they're all in their 50s.

[Heather McDonald]

They're all in their 50s, and they're all great.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank God for plastic surgery. It's, like, really amazing.

[Zach Peter]

That's your brainy gland when your implants exploding.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, she did. Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

See, it wasn't a parasite in Morocco. No, it wasn't.

[Heather McDonald]

No. But they basically said she's like, I did have a parasite, but I also had them leak and go up to my lymph nodes and meet the parasite and then. But I'm glad she got figured it out. And I'm glad she got some new boobs.

[Zach Peter]

It took her, like, four years.

[Heather McDonald]

This was kind of sad, but funny. Blake Lively was at a fashion show, and the girl right here is the Grey's Anatomy girl.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Meredith.

[Heather McDonald]

And it just. The way this was shot Just looked so bad. It looked bad, but also still sad. There's something still sad about a girl that's just like, there by herself and she's like, hi. And the Grey's Anatomy. What is her name?

[Zach Peter]

Meredith.

[Heather McDonald]

No, real Grey. Zonetti.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, I don't know her real name.

[Heather McDonald]

That actress. She's there with her husband who she's had forever and somebody else. So she's like, talking to them, talking to them. And then it's just like this weird thing where, like, she sees her and Blake's like, smiling, like, can we engage in a conversation? And she's like. And whoever got that? I was like, ah, now I know that you have a PhD in Blake versus Justin Baldoni. Give us the Cliff Note of where we are at. We are waiting for the trial, which is going to be May.

[Zach Peter]

May 18th is when trial kicks off. They just had settlement negotiations and shocker, they didn't settle. I didn't think that they would. I'd heard the terms that they were each tell like, well, they were like astronomical numbers.

[Heather McDonald]

So who was asking for what?

[Zach Peter]

They were each asking for money. And then the one that stuck out to me was, I think she was asking for, like, them to go to, like, years of, like, HR training or like sexual harassment training.

[Heather McDonald]

Blake was saying, I want.

[Zach Peter]

So what I think happened, she wanted

[Heather McDonald]

Justin to go to years, him and

[Zach Peter]

his team, as part of their settlement is we'll pay you this money and we'll agree to go to all of these regular, you know, HR meetings.

[Heather McDonald]

So she was offering to pay some.

[Zach Peter]

Yes, but I think, like, the h. I feel like it was like years, like six years of, like, you have to go to HR training for, like the next six years. And so I feel like they both made their ask so unrealistic that neither would be willing to buckle and fold regardless of the money. The money didn't even seem that astronomical in terms of what they were asking for. But what were they asking for?

[Heather McDonald]

You can't say.

[Zach Peter]

I'll tell you off off mic. But yeah, I just. To me, it kind of felt like they were both coming in and they were not planning on settlement. It was a formality. They had to do it. They had to show the judge, like, look, we're trying to. We can't reach a settlement. We have to go to trial now. They have to do the make nice ahead of time. Um, and. But it just. I didn't get the impression that either of them were willing to. To settle before the meeting. And then shocker, they left and they didn't reach any settlements. And then it was reported that she was playing mahjong while she was in the. It was six hours of settlement negotiations.

[Heather McDonald]

Have you ever played mahjong?

[Zach Peter]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

I have.

[Zach Peter]

Is it boring?

[Heather McDonald]

No, it's just. I can see why people get into it, but it's a lot. Okay. There's two. Like, I went to Bunko. Now. Bunko's super easy. Bunko is just rolling dice.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Both involve drinking with ladies, so I like that. But the mahjong is, like, you have this piece of paper with all these, like, Chinese symbols, and they all. And there's, like, 12 different patterns where it's like, three flowers, two things. And so you go around, and there's a lot of rules. And I'm. I would think you'd have to play probably, like, 10 times to, like, kind of really get it. I've only half played one and a half times. And then you line up your tiles.

[Zach Peter]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

But I get why women like it. Cause it's cute and it's, like, matching, and you can still talk, but. Yeah. I mean, it's becoming a big thing. Like, not just a. It used to be just like, old Jewish ladies do it, and now it's like everybody's doing it. And Blake lives, like, doing it at the courthouse. So she brought a whole case.

[Zach Peter]

She brought her $500.

[Heather McDonald]

She brought a case. It's like a.

[Zach Peter]

No, She, I guess, had it in the car, and she had her. Her chauffeur bring in. It was a $500.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach Peter]

They're like, mah Jongg set.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. People can really go off and cute, and, you know.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[Heather McDonald]

It's all about it. Zach. You have so much going on, and people love you. So if they are not already following you, can you just tell them where to go?

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Zach Peter all over the Internet. The podcast is no filter with Zach Peter Streams five days a week. All your favorite podcast platforms. You can watch it on. Sorry, you can watch it on YouTube and Spotify where you can listen to it. And then, I mean, last summer, we had all of Blake Lively's subpoena drama that was unfolding, and it was while I was on tour, and we were filming the behind the scenes of the tour. And so right now, we're airing. It's called the Tour Tapes, six episodes behind the scenes of this activated tour, but it also captures all of the subpoena drama because everybody that was coming into my different shows ended up getting subpoenaed along the way. So everybody was getting their. It was the whole subpoena gate drama that unfolds.

[Heather McDonald]

And they can watch that on your YouTube.

[Zach Peter]

That's on YouTube and on Spotify.

[Heather McDonald]

Awesome. And thank you. And for me, remember you guys, please come see me, just a few weeks away, March 20th and 21st at Wise Guys in Salt Lake City. Six and eight, 34 shows, all fun, new material. Be talking to you, getting juicy, not giving a shit. Come and see me. Go get those tickets. And of course, Patreon, too. Love you. Bye.