Was Ryan Reynolds the Villain in Blake vs. Justin? with Zack Peter

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Was Ryan Reynolds the Villain in Blake vs. Justin?" with Zack Peter

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald Release Date: January 28, 2025

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Introduction

In this compelling episode of Juicy Scoop, host Heather McDonald delves deep into the intricate and controversial saga involving Ryan Reynolds, Blake Lively, and Justin Baldoni. Joined by guest Zack Peter, an expert on the Blake, Justin, and Ryan Reynolds narrative, the discussion unpacks the layers of a high-profile lawsuit and the intertwined relationships within Hollywood's elite.

Background of the Lawsuit

The episode opens with Heather expressing her initial skepticism upon hearing about Blake Lively filing a complaint that suggested a smear campaign against her. She reflects on her thoughts before fully understanding the gravity of the situation:

Heather (04:11): "When I first heard about Blake filing a lawsuit, I was drawn to the facts shared by the New York Times based on her complaint about a possible smear campaign."

Heather initially doubted the allegations of sexual harassment, considering the complexities of romantic relationships and the challenges in gauging such claims.

Unraveling the Legal Battle

As Heather and Zack explore the lawsuit's nuances, Zack provides insights into the legal strategies employed, highlighting red flags that suggested the lawsuit might be more elaborate than it appeared:

Zack (06:27): "The New York Times published all of the text messages, which felt too accessible, reminiscent of the Rose McGowan and Harvey Weinstein scandal. It seemed like an attempt to mimic another high-profile case."

Zack points out that Ryan Reynolds filed a defamation lawsuit against the New York Times for $400 million, asserting that their coverage was misleading and harmful. The specifics of Blake Lively's lawsuit remain undisclosed, adding layers of mystery to the case.

Ryan Reynolds' Involvement

The discussion shifts to Ryan Reynolds' role in the unfolding drama. Heather theorizes that Reynolds may have exerted significant influence behind the scenes, potentially positioning himself as more villainous than publicly perceived:

Heather (10:24): "I think Ryan Reynolds has a bigger hand in this than they want us to believe. He inserted himself into the promotion campaign and brought Hugh Jackman to the premiere to take photos, which seemed out of place."

Zack corroborates Heather's observations, noting Reynolds' strategic moves during the movie's promotion that might indicate ulterior motives aimed at undermining Blake Lively.

Analyzing the Movie: "It Ends with Us"

Central to the lawsuit is the movie "It Ends with Us," where Justin Baldoni stars alongside Blake Lively. The hosts critique the film's portrayal of relationships and character dynamics, questioning the authenticity and intentions behind the scenes:

Heather (16:14): "Did you see what TJ Miller came out and talked about? He mentioned how Ryan Reynolds was making jabs at him directly, which affected the on-set atmosphere."

They discuss the infamous scene featuring Ryan Reynolds' character "Nice Pool," interpreting it as a subtle jab at Justin Baldoni, suggesting underlying tensions that spilled over into real life.

Celebrity Interactions and Behavior

Heather and Zack examine the public personas and behaviors of the involved celebrities, highlighting discrepancies between their on-screen and off-screen interactions:

Heather (27:00): "She tried to emulate various styles, like wearing overalls and patchwork jackets, which seemed disjointed from her character's background. It felt like she was trying too hard to be funny, which didn't land well."

Zack adds that interactions between Reynolds and other actors, such as T.J. Miller, reveal a competitive and possibly antagonistic environment that could have fueled the lawsuit's intensity.

Theoretical Insights and Speculations

The hosts share their theories about the motivations behind the lawsuit and potential outcomes. Heather proposes that the lawsuit might be a strategic move influenced by Reynolds to tarnish Lively's reputation:

Heather (54:52): "I predict they'll settle out of court, likely for a substantial amount, and Blake might even consider leaving Reynolds if things escalate."

Zack agrees, suggesting that the financial and reputational stakes are too high for the case to go to trial, anticipating a significant settlement that could reshape their relationships.

Impact on Future Projects and Public Perception

Looking ahead, Heather and Zack speculate on how the lawsuit may affect future collaborations and public perceptions of the involved parties:

Zack (60:03): "Justin Baldoni has the rights to the sequel, and with the current tensions, it's unclear if 'It Starts with Us' will proceed as planned. The financial implications are substantial, considering the first film's success."

They discuss the potential for strained relationships impacting future projects and the broader narrative within Hollywood about power dynamics and personal conflicts.

Conclusions and Final Predictions

Wrapping up the episode, Heather and Zack consolidate their insights, emphasizing the complexity of the situation and the potential ramifications for the celebrities involved:

Heather (85:45): "I don't think Blake and Ryan will recover quickly from this lawsuit. It's a public relations nightmare that could lead to lasting damage in both their personal and professional lives."

Zack (85:37): "Their settlement will likely conclude this chapter, but the underlying tensions may resurface, affecting future endeavors and personal relationships."

Key Takeaways

• Complex Legal Dynamics: The lawsuit between Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds against the New York Times is intricate, with undisclosed damages and potential strategic motivations.

• Influence of Public Persona: The public behaviors and actions of the celebrities seem to play a significant role in the unfolding drama, influencing both public perception and legal strategies.

• Future Implications: The outcome of the lawsuit may significantly impact future collaborations, the public image of the involved parties, and ongoing narratives within Hollywood.

Notable Quotes

• Heather (04:11): "When I first heard about Blake filing a lawsuit, I was drawn to the facts shared by the New York Times based on her complaint about a possible smear campaign."

• Zack (06:27): "The New York Times published all of the text messages, which felt too accessible, reminiscent of the Rose McGowan and Harvey Weinstein scandal."

• Heather (10:24): "I think Ryan Reynolds has a bigger hand in this than they want us to believe."

• Heather (16:14): "Did you see what TJ Miller came out and talked about? He mentioned how Ryan Reynolds was making jabs at him directly."

• Heather (54:52): "I predict they'll settle out of court, likely for a substantial amount, and Blake might even consider leaving Reynolds if things escalate."

• Heather (85:45): "I don't think Blake and Ryan will recover quickly from this lawsuit."

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Transcript

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Listen up.

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Hannah McDonald, juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, you guys, we are getting excited because Valentine's Day is around the corner and that means I will be in New York City. I have such a great show. So many funny things. This is stand up. This is a little bit of housewives fun. It's a combo show. I'm gonna be there in New York City February 14th. 15th is D.C. 16th is Red Bank, New Jersey. Also March 1st, I will be at Agua Caliente in Palm Springs. All that [e-mail], those tickets are going fast. Thank goodness. But please get your tickets. It's gonna be so much fun. You will not regret it. You'll be the happiest people ever. But now for our show, you guys have been asking, why don't you bring on Zach Peter? He is the expert of the Blake, Justin, and Ryan Reynolds saga. And thank goodness he's already been a juicy scooper coming on the show. But you have done some really great work in this. Your videos are doing great. Thank you. And of course, I've talked a lot about it. But listen, people, don't tell me you're bored by this, because you can't be. And there's more and more and more info, and I even spent more hours this weekend. And I have my own crazy theory that I cracked last night that nobody else has done that. I'm so excited to share with you. But let's get into it all from the beginning, because I said in the beginning, when I first heard about Blake filing a lawsuit, her complaint, I was really drawn to the facts that were shared by New York Times based on her complaint about a possible smear campaign. I was never totally convinced about sexual harassment, because I did think, wow, that's kind of a hard thing to gauge when you're playing romantic partners and intimate court. But all that. But I did go, gosh, I mean, I do remember these things coming out and old videos coming out, and I understand how bot farms and things work.

[B]

Yeah.

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So I did think that either Justin was guilty of that or his people were guilty of it.

[B]

Okay.

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And then when he was like, screw this, and he filed his lawsuit, I started to see a little bit more of the full text. The this, the that. And I still was giving it, like, hey, I think they're both thirsty and weird. But now you've seen the light. I am here to say I have seen the light. And I am glad that he stuck up for himself, and I am glad that he has all these facts and that he's not backing down. Because now it's a whole nother story that I think really involves Ryan Reynolds, Blake Lively's husband.

[B]

Yes.

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So now tell me your journey in covering. Cause you really have read all 179 pages and all that stuff?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, at this point, it feels like 500 pages. Cause of all the different lawsuits. But no. So I immediately. So my friend Daily dosa Donna sent me the complaint as soon as it dropped in the New York Times. And she's like, oh, my God, you have to read this. And I was like, I couldn't care less. I'm like, it's Christmas, Blake Lively. I'm like, I don't know if I believe This.

[A]

I have one question, and I am gonna be interrupting because that's what we do on the show.

[B]

I have a question that's part of a conversation.

[A]

Okay. Okay. Because the movie came out in August, right? Was it August, July or August. Okay. So I saw the movie, right when it. Like, before the lawsuits. I saw the movie. So that would have been maybe like end of November or something. I saw it at my house. And I've said I didn't think it was good. I thought it was lame. I did fast forward through the flashback parts. I only liked the parts with her and Justin, but I saw all the parts with her and Justin, which is what this is about. So I have seen the movie. I have not read the book. My question is to you. I felt like the little bits that we saw about her being a bitch and not having shitty interviews in the past and being this prima donna, I feel like that chatter had stopped.

[B]

Yeah, people stopped talking about it.

[A]

It stopped. So why do you think they did choose to do the initial lawsuit?

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Well, it wasn't a lawsuit. So what happened? And I'll point out the red flags that I noticed when this dropped in the New York Times, which I'm surprised somebody as savvy as you did not, like, this was like screaming red flags from the beginning. So first up, it gets dropped in the New York Times. Right. Who did the expose on Harvey Weinstein. So I think this was their attempt to try and create another similar scandal. Okay. Because Ryan and Blake. Correct. Because when the article dropped, it, 1, didn't have the traditional paywall that the New York Times normally has. And two, somebody that reads a lot of celebrity lawsuits and scandals dating back to, like, you know, the Girardi, Erika Jayne stuff, which is where I first got my Elle Woods. You know, my toes. Yeah, my toes wet in that. And so I was like, wait a minute. It's normally not this easy to obtain a full lawsuit from a celebrity. And then.

[A]

And I wanna ask a question.

[B]

Yeah.

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Cause what we know that he is suing them for 400 million.

[B]

Correct.

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He's suing the New York Times for defamation based on their coverage of it. For how much?

[B]

Undisclosed.

[A]

Okay. And we don't know what she. What is it? Is she suing him for money? Justin and his production company. What is she suing? And we don't know how much.

[B]

We don't know how much. So it's basically the judgment will be determined in court.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

He's the only one that has set a number in his lawsuit. Her damages are undisclosed. His lawsuit against the New York Times. Damages undisclosed. TBD in court. And so. But from the beginning, I was like, no more paywall in the New York Times. Easy to down. Like, it was the easiest lawsuit I've ever been able to obtain.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Being from the New York Times, I was like, this is just kind of strange. They published all of the text messages. I was like, this feels very reminiscent of Rose McGowan, Harvey Weinstein. And I was like, it just. It feels a little too accessible for people to just read through. Right. Which I believe was the intention. They wanted any Joe schmo, anybody on TikTok to just download it, read it, take it as fact. Because most people don't realize anything that you claim in a civil lawsuit doesn't have to be proven until it's actually in court. So you can claim anything. And then it wasn't an actual lawsuit. It was a secret CRD complaint. So it was basically a precursor to, oh, my God, why am I blanking on what? Crd? Civil Rights discrimination Complaint. And so it's basically a precursor in California to file the lawsuit. And so people are like, oh, it's that, you know, precursor she's gonna file. She's just waiting for approval from the.

[A]

State so someone could argue this was her quote, unquote, smear campaign.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Which is what I thought.

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Which is what I thought from the beginning. Because I was like, it's not an official lawsu. You know, the New York Times seems to be really interested in this, and they're not presenting anything from his side other than his statement at the end of the article. And so I was like, so right away, I just. I have questions. Like, there were just a lot of red flags that I didn't buy it right away. And then when he came out with his lawsuit against the New York Times, I was like, okay, I get it. And then you see, like, the New York Times contacted him at 10pm the night before the article dropped and said, you have until noon tomorrow to give us your side. And then they ended up publishing the article two hours earlier than that timeframe that they gave him to respond. So that's part of why he's suing is for promissory fraud, where they told him he had a deadline and then they published it early. But so then reading his document, we saw more context to the text messages. And I was like, okay, now it makes a little more sense. We're seeing that her team kind of doctored some of the text messages. They edited out an emoji, they retyped them out in her lawsuit. Whereas his lawsuit shows the actual screenshots of the messages. And then they show that the screenshots have a lot more messages that were omitted in her versions of them. And so I was like, okay, I'm starting to believe him a little bit more. And then when we got his lawsuit against her and Ryan Reynolds, I was like, oh, I think Ryan Reynolds is. Maybe has a bigger hand in this than, you know, they want us to believe. And then you look back at, like, how he inserted himself into the promotion campaign and how he brought Hugh Jackman to the premiere to, like, take photos on the.

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Stephanie, it was also strange, since you're on that. Let's talk about that. Because that is something that, you know, I didn't really notice. Yes. Did she wear the Britney Spears dress? And she said, I got this Britney Spears dress because I'm just such a fan of hers. Now we know that actually Justin Baldoni was a huge fan and talked about her incessantly and what she meant to him growing up and everything coincidental. Whatever. The dress looked great. And then she has her husband who's a huge star, and they have four kids, so they're like established couple. He's wearing and he's on the red carpet. Not weird.

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Yeah.

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We also know that, Justin. Because there was this conflict by the end of the movie that we don't know if there was conflict. While I guess they knew there was conflict because of the cut. So there was conflict at the end of the movie. They got Blake's cut, is what we saw. She was EP and star, and he was star and director. We didn't get to see his cut. So we know he and his family are with the, you know. How do you pronounce that? Really bad water. Dasina Dasanina. Dasina Dasani. They're there with all the Dasani crates in the room.

[B]

In the basement.

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In the basement and in. And. Yes. And I also noticed that, you know, he was. I saw a clip of somebody where he is interviewing the other guy that played her high school romance. We see him. He's the chef at the restaurant, and he's interviewing him about the movie, which I thought was weird. And I'll be honest. Again, full disclosure, I have never seen Deadpool. No. I remember Ryan Reynolds from the Proposal, which was the dumb dry bar movie. And I didn't find him particularly funny or whatever. Cute. Whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

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But now he's seen as this hilarious comedic actor, and I feel like he really believes that. And as a comedian, there's something. I don't think there's anything more awkward or dangerous than when people, especially women, even think that they're really funny and they're not and it's not landing. And that is Blake because she's hanging out with him and now he thinks he's funny, but he's kind of one note. He kind of does this like thing. And so he goes, what is this? And he shows this photo of. I believe it's the other actor, the other guy's ass. But it could have been Justin.

[B]

No, it wasn't Justin's ass. It was the other love interest guy.

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And he goes, look at your ass. Like, are there pumpkins in there? What is that about? Well then in doing this, this other girl. Oh, this was Candace's. Okay, this was Candace. Owen has now left the political sphere and is hopping off. Get off our jock, girl. Anyway, she said, of course Justin Baldoni has an incredible body. Okay? And it's just gorgeous. Can we just, you know. And so he. Somebody pulled this up and she probably gave it to her. Maybe she did it herself. He's doing squats and his ass is incredible.

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Yeah.

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At the time of this reel that Justin Baldoni posted himself doing squats. Blake commented 103 weeks ago. Okay, so two years ago, when they're filming the movie. Amazing. Now try it. Pregnant. Meaning that she, you know, at one time was pregnant. Having to do that. So the jealousy that I believe we all know that like Ryan is having over Justin and whatever he interpreted this friendship relationship, flirting shit to be is why he then inserted himself and I think got in her head to make her, you know, to be like, I'm gonna help you make this funny. I'm gonna help you make it great. When it shouldn't even have been funny. Like here he is with the Hugh Jackman, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh no, this just happened recently. He just went to Hugh Jackman's one man show trying to like, you know, or just he would have gone anyway, but he's not canceling, which I can't disagree with.

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Yeah, but I mean just all of the promotion that he was doing. I mean. Cause everyone talks about like her tone deaf promotion, hair care her, you know, wearing Britney's dress, his liquor, her. His liquor, heard her canned cocktails that she was promoting as well. But like when you think about it, like the film was not a comedy. So for him to be doing comedic skits was just weird. And it's like, I don't know why we didn't touch on the tone deafness. Of, like, his promotion by sitting down the other actor and, like, interrogating the love interest of his. His wife. Like, it was also strange. Did you see what TJ Miller came out and talked about?

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No. Tell me that.

[B]

So T.J. miller worked on Deadpool 1 and 2 with Ryan Reynolds. Yes.

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A comedian. I know him.

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Yep. And so he had a character in Deadpool, and he said that what Ryan Reynolds would do is he would improv a lot of his lines. And so he said that he will never work with Ryan Reynolds again. Cause I guess there was a moment where they were filming a scene and Ryan wanted to reshoot it and ad lib and he was. He basically was making comments at TJ's character. But TJ's like, it felt like he was making jabs at me directly, like he wanted to berate me in front of everybody else. Cause the lines didn't make any sense for the movie about kind of how I'm the star as Deadpool is the star. And you, you know, we just bring you in for the exposition.

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Right.

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And I think T.J. miller, being a comedian and maybe you can relate to this. Like when you're on set and you're naturally or you have more of a skillset for delivering jokes and being funny organically versus somebody like Ryan Reynolds who kind of, you know, thinks he's funnier than he actually is. When a comedian comes on set and they deliver jokes naturally that are landing a lot better than you are, it does hit your ego because you think you're the star and you're supposed to be the funny one.

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Right.

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So I can understand why he would kind of, you know, want to embarrass or put TJ down to remind him, like, I'm the star of the movie, and you're just like, you know, the sidekick.

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Now, I don't know if you can answer this, but with timeline, we've all now seen the infamous scene from Deadpool where Ryan Reynolds is playing another character called Nice Pool. He has a half man bun, like a half up, you know, half bun, half down character that is obviously making fun of Justin. Now we see it. He has a podcast about feminism. He talks about his wife, Nice Pool, and saying inappropriate things like, oh, you wouldn't even know that she had a baby. And then there was even more stuff that I guess was cut out that was directly, like, bullying to him. So do you know when was that, like, filmed in relation to them filming? It ends with us.

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Yes. So I believe production for Deadpool and Wolverine began before it ends. With us. But production went until the end of January 2024, which was like a couple weeks before it ends with us wrapped. So production was happening at the same time that they were filming both movies.

[A]

So most likely it was like a. He was hot on the, like, frustration and was like, oh, let's make fun.

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Of this fucker also. So there were a number of things in Nicepool. So there was the feminist comment, the man bun, the podcast. At one point, Nicepool screams out for the intimacy coordinator. We see that nice pool gets, you know, taken out by lady pool in front of a flower shop. And obviously it ends with us. Surrounds a flower shop. There's something with the dog. And people think that the dog was supposed to symbolize, like, the movie that Ryan Reynolds was taking from Justin Baldoni. And then there's another strange piece that people weren't picking up on that I thought was really weird. There's a clip, and it's in where he talks about having a podcast and being a feminist. And they keep showing a wide shot and they show that Nicepool kind of has, like, his bulge very visible. Like, he's trying to, like, flex on it, right? Like, he's trying to show it off. And then Wolverine at one point looks down and he's like, look up here. My eyes are up here. And so I was like, is there something like, is he saying that Justin Baldoni was trying to, like, flex his big dick on the set? Because he's just walking around with it out. And now Ryan Reynolds is, like, insecure because why would you. If you're poking fun at Beldoni and this character is supposed to emulate Beldoni, like, why do you have his bulge on display and, like, do a close up of it and have Wolverine acknowledge it if you weren't trying to, like, make a statement about it?

[A]

Do you have knowledge of how old Justin Baldoni is? Ryan Reynolds is 48.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Blake is 37, which the character was 21 in the book.

[B]

Yeah. It was weird.

[A]

I. In watching it, I was like, how does this girl. We never hear about how she was able to get, like, New York. They're in New York, right? Or are they in Boston?

[B]

New York.

[A]

Okay. During the movie, she gets this huge retail space and we never hear how she got the money for it. My sister goes, well, maybe she inherited when the dad died, I don't know. But we never. That never got discussed. But, you know, she's dressing absolutely horribly. And now we know that she has a lot of notes about. I think she'd have a beanie. And somebody said that she didn't read the book. Maybe she thought she was homeless.

[B]

She didn't read the book. Well, no, but she fought for her character to wear $5,000 Louboutin shoes.

[A]

So those boots, those crystal boots that she wears at the party of his sisters having a party who now works with her. The girl who plays is played by Jenny Slate. And she's wearing these crystal boots that are Yves Saint Laurent. I remember I looked into them because when I did Name that tune Jane, the host of the show had them on and I was like, oh, my God, I want those boots. And then when her assistant told me what they were and I looked them up, I'm like, no. But I did find a dupe. I found a dupe for like 1:52. But the point is she that, you know, those are expensive. She also had that Valentino purse. Throughout the whole thing, she had label y things. The outfits are absolutely horrible.

[B]

They're bad.

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Yeah. Come up with an easy.

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Anyway, so like, okay, so she put all the outfits together. You can follow the outfits. I don't really remember, see, remembering how horrible the outfits were when I was watching just because I thought the movie was weird and lame. And so it's this double pant thing and I'm like, what are these outfits? There's the overalls, these tan overalls that someone said were actually Ryan's. She's wearing two different kinds of camouflage out. She's wearing this quilted jacket that's like a patchwork like a grandma would wear. Just the most flattering, the beanie, she always had this wild hair. And then the rooftop scene, she's wearing this jean onesie jumpsuit. Like you worked Michael Myers. Michael Myers. And you work in Jiffy Lube. Okay, so what's interesting about the rooftop scene is this is the scene that Taylor Swift and Ryan, her two dragons, helped her write, in which she writes back to Justin. My favorite part about conversation is that you don't think you're funny. Yeah, we are. You are going to kill it. Meaning that he probably was like, I don't know about this being. You know, I remember watching that scene a couple months ago before the lawsuits And I was like, what is this? So she walks out on the rooftop, sees this hot guy who's upset because he reveals, I'm a neurosurgeon, whatever, and I lost a child or whatever on the table. But she'swhen he says he's a neurosurgeon. She's like. And he's like, what? She's like, oh, oh, my God, you are. And he's like, have we met before? She's like, being that I haven't needed brain surgery, I don't think so. But you're really a neurosurgeon. I thought you were a crypto guy. Like, it's literally Ryan Reynolds writing his deadpool stuff for her. Makes no sense. And she's laughing and she's in this outfit that's not flattering and not cute. Now here's where my theory comes in, okay? And I'm kind of joking, but I'm kind of not okay. Because I'm obsessed with how bad the fashion is, and I'm obsessed with people with fashion. And I remember fashion. I'm also a female standup comedian. This look. Every female comic that is touring and big and had specials wore this look while they were filming this movie. Hence, the evidence is coming. Okay? Make sure we feature this. Here is Whitney Cummings two years ago. Here is Chelsea Handler in her special wearing a white version of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Here is Christella wearing the jean version of it. Okay. Here is Angela Johnson, also wearing the jean version of it. Here is Becky Robinson wearing the same white version that Chelsea wore. And here is Mike Myers. So I am telling you, it was like, this is the funny girl. I mean, I literally said this. Like, when it was happening, I was like, why is this the stand up female's uniform? Like, why is every girl wearing it? Well, I'll tell you why. Cause you only have to pack one piece and you're traveling and it looks kind of cool. Sometimes it gives you a waist, sometimes it doesn't. Depends which one you get. I get why people chose it. As a woman, because I hate every outfit that I have ever chosen. Every time I think I like an outfit, I watch back the video and I go, fuck, that didn't look as good as I thought. So I get why it's so hard. But I'm telling you, in trying to be funny, yeah, I think she saw some of them wearing this and chose that particular thing. It's a stretch, but it's my.

[B]

Well, you have to think, where did she get her headset? Like, her headspace to put together some of these outfits because they're so bad.

[A]

They're horrible.

[B]

And everyone's like, it's obvious she didn't read the book by looking at these outfits because they're just. They're so wacky and just so ugly. And like, I don't know. I don't see a girl that puts together flowers wearing these wacky outfits. It just, it was all very bizarre.

[A]

So a lot of people are.

[B]

And her hair looks horrible. That's a terrible promotion for her hair care line. Even when she was doing the it ends with us promo, like, her hair never looked good.

[A]

No, it always looked frizzy. I don't know if that was her own hair. And they dyed it red. People think it's a wig. I think it was her own hair dyed red.

[B]

I think it's her own hair dyed red.

[A]

And like, let's make her interest. Like, I feel like she wanted so much because she talks in circles and she doesn't say anything and she wants so badly to be like, so excited about this role that she was like, I want it to be completely different from me. So she's an artist. So let's give her these weird, like Blossom 1990s weird clothes. Let's give her this different. Let's give her red hair. Which I'm like, okay. A 35 or whatever he is. 40 year old neurosurgeon.

[B]

Yeah, would.

[A]

But forget about the book. Wouldn't have been interested in someone that is looking and walking. Like, it's so strange. So then. So in all of her interviews, she tries to be funny. Sometimes she insults an interview in doing it. Yeah, but she tries to be funny and it just never lands.

[B]

No.

[A]

And it's always like the interviewer's trying to get to the. And she's always like, oh. But like, just. It's painful to watch now. And a lot of it is post being with Ryan and you do kind of become your spouse and you do pat. So again, I think she thinks she's funny. Just like she thinks he's funnier than he is.

[B]

Well, because that's their shtick too, is they like to play up that we're this funny couple and we take jabs at each other on Twitter and like, we, you know, troll each other in interviews in like a cheeky, funny way. And people are like, oh, my God, I'm obsessed with their relationship. Cause they're just like, so, you know, relationship goals. Yeah, that was like a thing for a couple of years. I mean, I think it's A mix of being with Ryan, but also coming off of Gossip Girl and thinking that, like, she's the star.

[A]

Right. Oh, speaking of which. So there is a nut. So I always love it when someone comes out from someone's past and is like, I worked in craft services.

[B]

Yeah. The intern.

[A]

The TikTok intern. This girl goes on TikTok and she goes, I was dating the craft service guy, and I was a stand in on Gossip Girl. And Blake Lively used to burp and fart on set.

[B]

I didn't hear this on. I had a different TikTok interview.

[A]

Burp and fart on set. And then she knew I was dating the craft service guys and would hug on him and be like, oh, the food's so good. I'm like, first of all, I've heard so many things that she doesn't talk to anybody, that she doesn't look people in the eye. Now you're saying she was actually complimentary and friendly, and it's because she knew that the craft service guy was dating a stand in that wasn't even her stand in. I'm like, that's where I'm like, look, we can all pile on Blake, but, like, sometimes I don't, you know, imagine you're the star of the show. You have to memorize all your lines. You're doing all this stuff. And you have to also worry that 10 years from now, someone is going to say you accidentally didn't hold the door for them or something. Like, just enough so that I kind of thought was. But the farting and burping were good. But she also said, which we've seen this happen in Hollywood a lot. She left for, like, her summer break while she was dating Leonardo DiCaprio. And she came back, like, annoyed that she was still on contract for this stupid TV show that made her famous. And that I can say I have witnessed and I have heard a lot about that. You know, by the sixth or seventh year of something, you know who also got a lot of shit for that was the girl that was fresh off the boat.

[B]

The stars. Yeah. And she went to do Crazy Rich Asians, Right?

[A]

Yeah. And then when she came back, she posted something like, I don't know, it was like a tweet or something. Disappointed that the show was coming back or something. And she literally was canceled and was, like, on suicide watch because she expressed her feelings at the time, which she shouldn't have, which wasn't, I'm not grateful to the show, and I want 80 people to lose their job. It was just like, oh, shit. Like, I didn't think it was coming back. I thought I had these other opportunities that I could do, and I'm actually not able to do them. Which you. You share with your spouse or your best friend.

[B]

Yeah. You don't post about it on social media.

[A]

You don't post about it. You know, like, you were like, fuck. Like, I know. Like, you know. And you're like, it's an embarrassment of riches. But, you know, first world problems. But you can say that, but you don't say it. So I feel like that's true. Oh, the Bethenny Frankel of it all. So Bethenny Frankel is like, oh, my God, you guys, I just remembered that I went to the premiere.

[B]

Yeah. Everybody remembers their stories from 10 years ago.

[A]

Yes. Including the stand in and Bethenny Frankel. Okay, so this. So Bethy goes on to say that she went to the premiere, and it was so weird because between the red carpet and. And the movie, there was an hour break. That is completely normal.

[B]

Yeah, that's normal.

[A]

That is completely normal. And she goes. So then we went and got these margaritas and then came back because I wanted to see the movie because it's frowned upon if you don't stay for the movie. Well, listen, I have been going to premieres for a long time. I've gone to a lot of kid ones. I used to get invited to a ton. I'd see Garcelle and her sons. We'd see. We're like, hey. We'd always take our boys to all the. And I went to other good ones, too. I always stayed for the movie because I wanted to. And also I felt that you had to. Once I realized that 90% of the people doing the red carpet, even the people in the movie, don't stay. No, it's not a no. No, it is totally okay. There's nobody checking. There's nobody looking in the dark, being like, this person wasn't there. So you can leave and still go to the after party. I usually stayed because I was like, well, then we're gonna go to the after party. But there's been times where I'm like, oh, fuck, we're an hour from home. It's a school night. But I still stayed for the movie. So anyway, she says, so I go back from getting my margaritas, and I could just tell the vibe in the theater was off between Justin's camp and Blake Lively's camp. And for that reason, my assistant and I left.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, that's a stretch.

[B]

Girl, it was a bit of a stretch. Cause she's just like. To her, it was like, ever since I walked in, the vibes were just on the red carpet. And I can just sense that, like, it was just not good energy. And then she's like, once the movie started, I just, I couldn't stay there anymore. So we left.

[A]

Like, you could feel the vibes in a dark movie theater.

[B]

Yeah. And she's like, I didn't say this because I didn't want to get canceled for leaving early. I'm like, people leave early all the time. Like, you go, you do your photo op, you make sure you have a little content to post on Instagram to show that you were there. And then at this point, you don't need to stay for the whole thing anymore.

[A]

Because, listen, you know, if you don't have anything to do with the movie or if it's not like, you're a really good friend and it's a long fucking night, you start getting ready at 3:00, you get there at 6, and if you're not at the movie, you have to be at the beginning of the red carpet. Otherwise they won't even take your photo. So you're like the first to arrive. So, yeah, there is well, well over an hour between a non person in the movie taking a photo and the thing. Then the only food that's provided is the free popcorn. So, yeah, you do get a little hungry, so you get it. So a lot of people go. And then maybe they go to the after party, but maybe they're like, I don't need a free slide. A free slider either.

[B]

Like, that's all it is.

[A]

And they're, they're happy to have you on the carpet. The person, the reason they invited is you're gonna help promote the movie. It's fine if you're not in your seat.

[B]

They don't care. Yeah, they don't care. Nobody's paying attention to what's going on in the room or even the movie. As long as you're there to get your photo op and you can promote the movie, that's all they can do.

[A]

The amount of times that I've stayed for the movie and then seen somebody that's like, worked on it or something, and they're like, heather, what are you doing here? Yeah, I'm like, oh, I'm just. I'm just the loser that got the invite, got an outfit, and ate an entire thing of popcorn because I'm starving. And now I'm waiting for the free Slider. And thanks for making me feel like a full fucking thirsty loser.

[B]

But it's true. I mean, the movie part is, like, the least important part of it all. Yeah, unless you're, like a critic that has to write about it, but then you're not walking the red carpet, Right?

[A]

Exactly. Okay, so we go through the horrible outfits and my theory of her wanting to be a female standup comic from 2022. And now I was. Now everything's coming out. So remember, she was in the town.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which this was interesting because the role that. That she went out for, where she was like, this fucked up girl that had a drug problem who's had a child, but dated Ben Affleck. But I don't believe the child was his. But she, you know, and he was like, get away from me. She was 21, but the role was written for someone who was 37.

[B]

Yeah. And I was like, well, similar to, like, this. Isn't Lily supposed to be 21 and she's 37?

[A]

Yeah, I just thought it was. And then he said in an interview, Ben Affleck now at this time, he's married to Jennifer Garner. Okay. And there's rumors about them having something happen, which wouldn't be surprising. We know he slept with a nanny. Okay, let's just fight. Like, he slept with a girl who was, like, the head executive at SNL for three years, where they met at the W Hotel, like, all the time. And so whatever, you know. So he's doing an interview and he's like, you know, well, I'm 40, but, you know, Blake, who's great, is in the movie, and she's only 21, and somehow she saw a photo of myself and Matt Damon and she's like, how do you know the Jason Bourne or whatever? And he was like, oh, my God. And I realized how young she is. She doesn't know, like, the history of us friendship and writing, you know, Goodwill hunting and everything. So he's like, but, you know, she wanted to learn about Boston. She wasn't from this. So we would take late night drives around Boston so he could go, this is where the townies live, and this is where the Dunkin Donuts is and whatever.

[B]

Just showing her around.

[A]

Just showing her around. Which I'm sure Jennifer Garner and the three kids were like, oh, I'm so glad you're teaching her how to get be Bostonian.

[B]

She's 21, so she needs a little culture.

[A]

Yeah. So, yeah. But in the earlier interviews, she definitely comes off more humble and more likable. I will say that she does come from acting family. Her parents taught acting classes. She's the youngest of five. But there's something. There's some that she's not so humble, where she's like, you know, a really cringey one. Did you see the really cringey one where she talked about putting on a bunch of bronzer?

[B]

Oh, yeah. With Justin Long is asking her, and.

[A]

She goes, my friend, it's pre nose job. And she's like, oh, my friends and I, we really liked this guy. So we were stalking him. And so he. So he wouldn't notice us, she dressed like emo, and I wore all this bronzer and put on like a big afro. Yeah.

[B]

So that she could look like a black girl. And she. And she said that she was trying to intentionally emulate a black woman. It was. Yeah. People have. Have been sharing that clip a lot.

[A]

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[B]

To the plantation wedding.

[A]

They got married at a plantation.

[B]

I never acknowledged it, like, I mean, with that.

[A]

Okay, with that. If you didn't read the book, I don't think you asked. And I'm not giving her any grace for this, but I don't think you asked, you know, your wedding planner for your $1 million wedding. What is the history of this land? Yeah, you know, it's like, my son goes to University of Oregon, and when we, like, went on the tours of University of Oregon and Oregon State, every tour, whether it was a smaller. For engineering department, whatever, the kids would come out and they'd be like, first, we want to acknowledge that this land belongs to the. Whatever, Indians. We stole it from them. Like, just kind of bums you out, you know? And you're like, so if you have any questions about the Indians, that Who really this land belongs to, and we're like, okay, go Ducks. Like, it just feels like a little. And so I'm saying, eight years ago, I don't know that we were in that space to say no, I need to. If we are in Georgia, I need to ask the history of this land.

[B]

I mean, I even think, like, the resurfaced video of her and Justin Long, like, even that I'm kind of like, I haven't paid much attention to that or the plantation wedding. Some. Like, that was different time. She was young. She was stupid. I'm not saying that it's. I'm not excusing it by any means, but it's just, you know, I think there's enough bad behavior that we can judge her for today that we don't need to keep dragging things from 15 years ago.

[A]

And also, if you did then do a big apology that you got married there, then you're also drawing attention to it. And then there can be 12 more articles written about it where you might just go, yikes. Whatever. We're married with kids. Like, I'm not gonna. Whatever, you know, say. I mean, it's like.

[B]

Well, I feel like her press didn't start to get bad until Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. That's when.

[A]

That was a long time ago.

[B]

Yeah, but that's when they started saying that there were rumors between her and America Ferreira that they didn't like each other. And then some of their interview bits together. There's, like, one where America Ferrero, like, rolls her eyes at what Blake's talking about. So I feel like that was, like, the era. That was, like, her first real big movie. I think she thought she was the star of the movie because she was on Gossip Girl. And then that's when we had the TikTok intern who's like, I remember I used to work at Fuse tv, and they came in to do an interview, and Blake Lively got me fired because I guess Blake felt like she was acting too much like a fan, so she had them remove her from the set. And the girl's like 19 and went, like, crying. She's like, I went home cr. Cause I lost my job. Because Blake Lively thought that I was acting like too much of a fan around her. And so she had me fired.

[A]

Yeah, well, I stood up for her, like I said, you know, a month or two ago. And actually, I cut it out of the show. But I. Because I felt it was too. Not that juicy. But it was because I saw this interview of a hairdresser. This guy, he wrote a book about his life. He's a famous hairdresser. And, like, he was Cate Blanchett's like, like an Oscar winning type of person that really does hair for movies. And in all of his interviews, the ones that were going viral before the lawsuit, but post the movie coming out, this is all within, like, the last three months. Was that Cate Blanchett's like, his best friend, and she's so wonderful. And Blake Lively is not. And neither is who's the Devil Wears Prada girl?

[B]

Anne Hathaway. Yes.

[A]

And neither is Anne Hathaway. And so he was giving very detailed stories about Blake. And I was like, I don't think these stories are fair. Like, it was like, she didn't ask about my daughter. And then she had this Easter event and invited all the crew to come, but she was running around trying to finish these pastries, and there was food out, but she wasn't offering it. I'm like, that's a young girl that just wasn't equipped to be a hostess. But at least she invited you. Like, I was kind of like. And I was like, also some people. One of the reasons I do my own hair and makeup a lot, even though I get great people that offer, is because I end up talking so much to the people, and I need to be more in my head. So sometimes people getting that done are just quiet. And it doesn't mean that they don't respect what you were doing. So it's kind of like at that time, I was Team Blake, and I was also like, why is this going viral? But it was already people were interested because there was already so much out there that was not flattering to her. Being, like, a nice person.

[B]

Yeah. That's why. Even when the new York Times article came out, and she was alleging a smear campaign. Like, I understood the groundwork that they were trying to put out there, but I was also like, but I remember watching that unfold and covering it as the premiere was happening and as they were doing promotion, being like, it's more of her own bad behavior that people. Well, no, what it was was the. The interviewer that told her about the little bump, right? She's the one that came out and did a YouTube video, and she's like, this is the worst interview I've ever done because Blake Lively was so rude to me. And that's what went viral. And then that's when everybody else started going on TikTok and pulling all of her old interviews, and then that's the moment that really took off. So she's the one that did the smear campaign.

[A]

Also, when I was team. Not team Blake, but feeling for Blake. I'll say feeling for Blake, I wondered, was that why that interview and why that girl chose to share it? At that time, I was a little suspect. Not like, she got paid, but, like, was there somebody. You know, was somebody doing research and found it and was like, you know, hey, we just saw this. You know what? This is the kind of stuff you should share. Like, if he had a team that he was not instructing, you know, but they, like, went and saw this, and they were looking for stuff to show that she's a bitch, could they have gone to the interview and been like, you should put this out?

[B]

I don't think it was out. I think that was a piece of the interview that never got released. And she's like, I was uncomfortable with this. And now that we're starting to see her, you know, her interviews about, like, go get your friends and wear your florals, and she's like. Like, she's coming off tone deaf. She's like, here's the interview. This is the clip that I didn't want to release because I was so, like, hurt by it because I guess she's had fertility issues. So for Blake to, like, poke her little bump and, you know, being pregnant, she's like, it was just really sensitive for me at that time.

[A]

The defense of that, okay, is at that time, and I remember this, there was a big movement among actresses to call out reporters and stuff about, why do you say what you're wearing versus tell me about your role? Like, on an Oscar, they never ask the guys what they're wearing, so. And you should call them out on it. When it comes to stuff like that or pregnancy. Or, you know, men. Like, people don't go over asking men about their kids or whatever. So it was. Some people feel like that's what she was doing. Not to be mean to the interviewer, but to get people in the mode of, like, don't ask that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. But still got done wrong and done not nicely.

[B]

And at that time, too, with tabloid culture, anytime an actress had a little bit of a belly, whether it was Chipotle or not, it was automatically the headline of she's pregnant. Jennifer Aniston expecting baby. Like, that was just kind of like the thing. And I remember that there was pushback against that. But I mean, the only pushback that I have to that argument is she was very obviously pregnant, and she was, I think, like, well along. And like, it was. No, she had already come out and, like, revealed her pregnancy. So.

[A]

Okay, so now here I'm gonna go hardcore. Okay. But there's another part of the movie that said, I saw a clip that I remembered being so weird is Justin Baldoni, with his perfect face and teeth, goes to her, I like you. And she goes, what are you, five? Like, all these weird things to be funny, it just be no. Like, it'd just be no sense, you know? But I felt like when they did kiss and stuff, I did feel like they had chemistry.

[B]

They 100% had chemistry.

[A]

So the next thing is, you know, which we've been saying, did Ryan think that she caught feelings? And in order for her to placate him, she involved him and more and more and more where he was on set, and she just was like, just, oh, my God, don't poke the bear. Like, let. She now. Now is this woman that's in a marriage. Every marriage is different. Every dynamic is different. And, you know, people listen when people say, how do you stay married so long as a woman? It's putting up with a lot of shit. It's not letting things bother you. It's like, so it's like. I don't know, maybe she was like, okay, or she's just like, my husband. Oh, my God, he's so great. He's so wonderful. She's always promoting the gin and all this stuff. So now Candace Owen comes out saying, a very good source, a very good source now tells me that Ryan Reynolds is like, this overbearing type of husband to her. And not that she's innocent and not that she's being abused, but could she be legally abused? Like, did he decide to put out this lawsuit? And she didn't really think it through, and it was going out, and now they're trying to do a gag order saying you can't put out the website with all the extra footage of Wayfair and everything.

[B]

Don't release the evidence. Yeah, we're innocent, but don't release the evidence.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Even though we started this in the New York Times.

[A]

So now they're like, holy shit. And I can't imagine the fights that are happening between Ryan and Blake, because Blake might have been like, fuck, I never even wanted this, you weirdo. Like, now you've ruined my life. Now everyone thinks I'm a bitch. I'll never work again. So here's my theory.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just like it came out last week that allegedly Meghan Markle's people were shopping a book of what? How much would a book go for post divorce?

[B]

This is a good theory.

[A]

Post divorce. And people were like, well, no, they would never get divorced. No, it's not him. He's this dumb prince that wanted to do a podcast where he thought he could interview Putin and Donald Trump and say, you're a sociopath. And I'm not. Why is that? And think that they would do the podcast with him. Like, he has no ideas. He's not a creative person. The shine is worn off. And I'm not saying she's gonna get divorced, but she was probably like, I'm thinking about it. If I can get $10 million and I know I've got a safety net.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'll tell you why we broke up if I choose to do that. She's already been divorced. Her parents were divorced. I'm just saying, it's not like she was raised in this house, that divorce is not an option. Okay, so that's her.

[B]

No, she was raised in the capitalistic house where her dad was selling paparazzi photos before the wedding.

[A]

Right. And, yeah, and she had the other sister, the pushy, pushy princess who wrote the book. So I'm like, we know she's manipulative. She acted like she didn't know who Prince Harry was. And she was like, is he kind? And, you know, meanwhile, her roommate called, said she had every book on Princess Diana and was obsessed. So kind of like, we know that Blake was supposedly just friends on Green Lantern while he was married to Scarlett Johansson. Now we know that Scarlett Johansson is doing a directorial debut in which Justin Baldoni is her ep and all this kind of stuff of like, can you imagine the two of them talking? Like, when you're like, former boyfriend or former best friend, if some shit goes down the excitement that you get to call that other person and be like, whoa, let's fucking talk. Like, so glad this is happening. So what I think is the source that's putting this narrative after which, by the way, it wasn't Candace narrative. We've all said it's kind of a controlling husband that probably pushed for this and didn't really see how big it would get. And like you said, thinking it would just be like a Weinstein kind of thing. And, oh, that will crush him. We'll get him done. He'll never work again. And we're so powerful with my big 500 million billion dollar thing of Deadpool. And I think that someone in her camp is like, put it out there, that I. That I am essentially the innocent in this. I am the woman that has four kids, which is a lot nowadays, four kids close in age with this guy, this powerful movie star who is 11 years older than I am. And he pushed for this. And essentially Candace says it's legal abuse. And because she's thinking in her head, if this doesn't last and I divorce Ryan, this can be the narrative. I never wanted to do this lawsuit. I never wanted this. He was in a jealous rage.

[B]

Yeah, I actually agree with that. I think, to your point, I think she was placating him and I think she was probably just like. I'm sure he's. I mean, I'm sure he saw the text message. She's writing paragraphs and paragraphs about how amazing Justin Baldoni is. And they killed it at the scene today. And whatever.

[A]

They're laughing all night and he comes over and he's sitting with her baby. If you were really afraid, like afraid of somebody you don't need, you might need to work, you might need to finish the movie.

[B]

You're not taking photos of him holding your baby.

[A]

You're not allowed to come in your home.

[B]

Yeah. And sending them paragraphs and paragraphs.

[A]

Can you imagine if he was jealous and saw the guy that she's making out with and texting till 2 in the morning, holding his baby?

[B]

I'm sure he goes to her baby.

[A]

Like his daddy to be.

[B]

I'm sure he has access to her airdrop. No, it was.

[A]

He was on the kid's iPad, which has the iPad, cloud shareables. And that's where he. She doesn't even know that he's been reading her text for the last 10 years on the oldest child's iPad.

[B]

And I'm pretty sure she was just like, he's the one that's into me. Like, I don't even like him. Like, these are all the things that he said. I'm sure she sold him the story that Baldoni was pursuing her and she wasn't interested in him, just to kind of get him off the trail and, like, shut up. It's not like he's the one that's coming onto me. I don't even like him. And then I think that's where Ryan Reynolds then was like, oh, well, then he built this whole case against Justin Baldoni. Because I think Blake not thinking that this would turn as big as it was, but just to kind of, like, ease him into being like, I'm not interested in him. I think she was probably, like, maybe exaggerating some of the details that we're now reading in this complaint, because she told Ryan, and now he's like, we're dragging this out.

[A]

So I have said my prediction, which is this will settle.

[B]

Yeah. There's no way this goes to trial.

[A]

I don't know what they're going to give them, but they have a lot of money, so we'll never know. But I could see them in the next week being like, all right, here's 10 million. It goes up to 50. They settle at, like, 45 million. And I want an apology or something. And they're like, you know what we want to just do, Art? Leave us alone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then they go away for a little bit, and people forget. Just like, people forget that Hilaria acted like she was Spanish and acted like she lived in Spain her whole life. Like, people forget they have a series.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And now she's got a book. Like, I'm a mom with a bunch of kids.

[B]

That's what she should have done after it ends with us. Right. She got the bad publicity. Do the Anne Hathaway thing go dead for a year or two?

[A]

Not even two years. One year.

[B]

Nobody, like.

[A]

I mean, Barbie Hammer already has another job. Oh, my God, the cancel time is so short, you guys.

[B]

I want Armie Hammer on my podcast. Yeah, he can eat a rib. I'll give him a little nibble. But it's true. And we were done with this by the time the lawsuit came. That's why when I first got the. When somebody sent me the New York Times article, I was like, this is so uninteresting to me. And then when I read through it, I was like, oh, this is juicy.

[A]

Yeah. So they said, you know, we won't be bullied. The wife, they said, happy birthday. It was his birthday. Yeah. They're like, big statement.

[B]

And the mom did, too.

[A]

And the mom just said, happy birthday. And, like, you're great.

[B]

Yeah. But she used the photos from the set of Jane the Virgin and talked about what a great, you know, environment that was because all the cast got along, and they were all. So she kind of threw a little dig in there, too. Yeah.

[A]

Because. But, I mean, come on, it's your son, like, going through this, and. And, you know, he probably had. He had the worst, you know, week and a half of his life until he got it together, and now he's like, yeah, I'm vindicated. It's like, you know, there is something great.

[B]

I don't think there. Like, what smoking gun could she possibly have that would even exonerate her at this point?

[A]

Okay, so now let's talk about Nick Viall.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

Nick Viall has a podcast, and I am very friendly with him. I like him. He's been on mine. I've been on his, and I've been watching the clips, and he, from the beginning, was very Blake Pro. Blake. Yeah. And Disney. Justin. He said he was on my podcast, and I didn't care for him or.

[B]

Something like that because he meditated in front of me, and I thought that was weird.

[A]

Okay. And so then he also said, you know, Ryan, he's like. Then the other thing he said was, Justin Baldoni, he was, you know, it was his production company, Wayfarer, who did it. So if the movie was successful, which it was, he already made a lot of money on it. So, you know, like, what? I don't know what the point of that was, but just to say that he made a lot of money on it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm like, that's such an interesting point. No one's brought up. So then people are like, well, Ryan Reynolds is a spokesperson or owns Mint Mobile.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Mint Mobile does a lot of podcast ads.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think I've had it, too, at one point. And so people notice. Nick Viall does.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I also think they might actually be friendly to an extent.

[B]

They've hung out. I know they follow each other on social media. The Mint Mobile thing, I think people think that that's, like, a bigger smoking gun than it actually is. But, I mean, you know how podcast deals work. We're not personally on the phone with Mint Mobile saying, hey, this is how much I want. Like, there's usually a broker, an ad agency, somebody else that's negotiating those deals, and, like, these are the sponsor or you. I mean, I, you know, approve any brand that comes in. But, like, we, you know, we're not personally talking. So he's not on the phone with Ryan Reynolds, who's signing the check to Nick Viall personally. Like, that is like a totally different separate situation.

[A]

But I think in doing. In doing it, yeah, you can have an opinion. You can see all the different sides. And I think at the time he, you know, was. Is citing, you know, with Ryan and Blake and like, yes, they were at a party and they took a photo. This also doesn't mean anything. This is from Shannon Hill News. But are they friendly? Sure. You and I are friends with people that we talk about, and sometimes when we personally know them and they're in the news, we do it a little bit with kit gloves. Other times we're like, we don't care. And other times we don't do the story at all.

[B]

I think, too, there's times where I'm.

[A]

Like, I am not touching the story because I really.

[B]

The horse trainer.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And that I got me. Well, I think because of the last time I was on this show, Teddy stopped texting me because we talked about it, and I was like, you know what? I tried to protect you for so long. And I like, we. You can't win. But, yeah, she stopped. She stopped answering my texts.

[A]

Oh, oh, Teddy and the horse trainer.

[B]

Because we talked about the horse trainer last time.

[A]

Yeah, well, you know, she. So. But yeah, of course, then you want that story to go away. But, you know, if I was really good friends with somebody and they're like, hey, can you not cover this? Cause I can't even take it. Yeah, then I wouldn't. But I can understand why other people are like, I'm sorry, but I'm going to do. My people are asking, and I'm gonna give my opinion. I get both sides, so. But you hope that if someone's your personal friend and there's controversy that they would do it a little in kick clubs or at least hear your side. So it's possible, depending on the friendship, that he did hear, like, the Ryan side of it and that did. Or somebody gave him the information of, like, here's a couple things that no one's bringing up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The fact that obviously it was a profitable film. The whole other thing is, is this all about. And maybe you know this. Cause I don't know the answer. There is a sequel.

[B]

So Justin Baldoni has the rights to the sequel. And so Colleen Hoover, who wrote the books, she gave him the rights to the first two movies. They've had a five Year relationship. And I guess over the years or since the film began filming, I guess she's gotten closer to Blake Lively. And so I've heard different theories about, like, well, maybe there's some sort of morality clause and he has to forfeit the rights if he is in breach of that.

[A]

Oh, and so that would be the goal too. Yeah.

[B]

And that would be possibly why, like, Colleen aligned herself with Ryan and Blake, because maybe they wanted to take the second film. And so. But to the point of the first film making a lot of money. I think it made around 300 million for the first film. But, like, there is the money that he's losing off of the sequel. Cause now there's gonna be no sequel. Like, there's not gonna be a. The second one's called It Starts with Us and it's about them co parenting together. So there's no way.

[A]

I think there will be.

[B]

And how do you get the two of them back together to film another movie? Well, I guess they did it with Anna Kendrick and A Simple Favor too.

[A]

Someone plays her. Yeah, someone else plays that character. A totally different person.

[B]

And Scarlett Johansson.

[A]

Yeah, someone plays her. Because I really, I didn't know there was a sequel. And I was like, I've never seen an abusive relationship where you're basically like, you like your baby. Well, guess what, we're getting a divorce. And you're controlling neurosurgeon. And now I'm telling you, even though you've been a delight during this pregnancy, we are done. Because a year ago you did these three things. And he's like, okay. I mean, already I was like, I know this is like a fictional thing or maybe it's not. But I was like, this doesn't make sense. How are they gonna co parent? So I am curious to know what that movie will look like. And is it like, oh, well, as long as I'm not with you, I'm this super great guy. And then also the Jenny Slate character, the sister was like, you're my friend, he's my brother. But if you stick with him, I.

[B]

Will say, we'll never speak to you again.

[A]

I'm like, that doesn't make sense either.

[B]

No.

[A]

Like, you stick by your brother. You don't need your stupid flower job. You are going to be like, please go to counseling. Any sister in law would be like, he's calling me. He's crying. Even if it's not right. You'd be like, is there any way, Is there any way? You wouldn't immediately just go, yeah, you should Definitely, like, never talk to him again. And he can have the kid every other Wednesday.

[B]

Yeah, that was weird.

[A]

Like, it was so weird. So I think it could be good. I think there's so much interest in it. Also, everyone wants to see his cut, which I'm so curious about.

[B]

They have to release that at some point.

[A]

But still, if she's doing those weird, jokey lines, I don't know that his cut would be that different.

[B]

Yeah, but you would think that she would prioritize her goofy lines over whatever the script called for. Cause they were saying that she would riff. Yeah, they were saying that she would riff and change and tweak her dialogue daily. That, like. I'm sure they have a bunch of different takes that didn't incorporate any of the other.

[A]

Thing is, but she's like, you. He's like, oh, I'd like to meet your mom. Yeah, you wanna meet my mom? Well, like, why wouldn't he? Like, that's so. Like, it was so weird. And then they get married and they tell the mom, like, it's after. They even framed photos of, like, their wedding day, and they're making food they can't even stop making. To talk to the mom to say, we got married. And the mom's on, you know, FaceTime, and she lives an hour away, and she's like, I just wish she wouldn't have invited me. Oh, God, Mom. Don't you hate it when your mother's pissed you didn't invite her to your wedding?

[B]

I'm like, it was a very.

[A]

Like, why would you invite your mom to your wedding?

[B]

Her whole portrayal of the character was just really strange, bizarre. Do you think she should have read the book? I heard, like, the theory was, like, she didn't want to read the book because she wanted the movie to be, like, its own thing, and she wanted to bring her own twist and flair to it.

[A]

It's like a housewife going, I never. I don't watch it.

[B]

I have no idea.

[A]

Walk in season 17 not knowing a thing. Which sometimes I think at this point could be good. I think sometimes you overstudying, it might. You know, I get it. But no, I think. I think this is the first time I've ever heard of an actress that doesn't read the book. And then even. And then, yes, there's an adaptation. You know, it's just a whole different category. But still, you would kind of like to at least understand or to, like.

[B]

Get to the heart of the character, be like, what is this character all about? And maybe I Can tweak it a bit and bring it to life in my own way, but, like, without having to completely recreate the character altogether.

[A]

Ugh. We will soon find out. Taylor Swift. Guess who she didn't invite to the Chiefs game last night in which they won or go to Super Bowl.

[B]

Blake and Ryan.

[A]

Blake. Why weren't they invited? Well, this happens, too, in Hollywood. It's called when you got a little stink on you. People leave your messages unread. They are just so busy, and they're like, I fucking. I just tried to be a friend and help you and gave you this song. And I didn't know the Taylor's probably, Like, I didn't read the book. I didn't. When she asked me to help with this scene over a glass of chardonnay with Ryan Reynolds. I did not know that this was a movie about domestic violence. I thought it was about a girl who fell in love with a neurosurgeon on a rooftop. And I. We're writing a dry bar movie. Like, that's gonna be what you're gonna be watching years from now while getting your hair blown out. I did not know this, so lead me the fuck away. I'm not a dragon. I'm not a writer. I'm just a pop singer. And do not rain on my parade at the second Super Bowl.

[B]

She said that? Or there was a source that revealed that, like, that was it. They were like, Taylor lent the song to the movie, and that's, like, the most of her involvement. Like, she had no idea. She had no inner workings with the production of the film. Like, she had no clue that any.

[A]

Of this was friends. There are photos. They are friends.

[B]

They are friends. Yeah, but, I mean, now. Dragon flew the cave. Like, she ain't coming back. She said, peace. Imagine being Taylor Swift and then reading the headlines and seeing the text messages where Blake Lively is comparing herself to Khaleesi. And you're her dragon.

[A]

Only one of them.

[B]

Yeah. Only one of the two dragons. You and Ryan Reynolds are the two dragons.

[A]

And then also when she's like, thanks for saying that you got the pages and that you. This was another text and that you appreciate my contributions. Would have been nice if you said that you liked them or did she say something like that? Or that you would have been more specific. Because now I have to go back to my two dragons.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you have not specifically complimented them. And he's like, what is going on? And he's trying to placate her. No, you're really great. You're so creative. Like, fuck, what's going on with this? Yeah.

[B]

I mean, talk about a mind fuck for him, because he's trying to produce.

[A]

He'S trying to act.

[B]

I know. And then you see the clips. Did you. When they released the raw footage of them filming the scene together and people. And then Blake's team comes out and they're like, yeah, this proves our case. This proves that she looks absolutely uncomfortable in this scene that they filmed. Did you see the footage?

[A]

Yeah, but it was. Yeah, but that's what it was. It was supposed to be like, she was plain coy.

[B]

She's like, I'm not into you. And then they literally directed that. Like, as he leans in to kiss you, turn around and don't let him kiss you. And then that's exactly what they play out. Yeah, it was.

[A]

Why was he wearing a onesie pajamas to bowling?

[B]

That was in the book that they were wearing onesies. I don't remember why or what. Like Blake Lively. I did not read the book either. But, no, I don't remember why they were wearing onesies, but I know that that was. I believe that was a scene in the book.

[A]

Are you watching Salt Lake City Reunion?

[B]

I am.

[A]

And let's talk about one thing, which is Bronwyn. And Bronwyn, in one of the episodes, a jeweler comes and presents her with a $4 million necklace in which she wears it that night in Palm Springs. Now, when she was on Nick Vials, I listened, and he was like, you know, kind of defending her relationship because, you know, he has a large age difference with his wife now. And she. He goes. And, you know, of course they're gonna be jealous. You have a $5 million necklace. And I remember driving, being like, it's only four. She never corrected him. Yeah, she never said it was only four. But whatever. She never says, actually, I wore it and found it was too much. But we're working on a different piece. She never says it. So they get to the reunion, and Lisa Barlow's like, I know Emma. I know Emma the jeweler. I know Emma the jeweler. And she said, you never bought anything. No. Todd and I decided in this economic client, it was a little ostentatious, and I wanted to get a smaller necklace and earrings. And actually, we were in the process of designing. That's not what Emma says. Emma says, you didn't get anything. That was amazing.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I wonder what Emma's thinking now, because even all the other Mary's, like, I would never work with her again if she were my jeweler and she were talking like that. And I mean, it is kind of true. Like, you. You do tank your reputation by going and spilling that gossip to one of the other housewives, knowing that they're likely gonna weaponize it on the show.

[A]

But on the show, since the beginning of time. And when I say the beginning of time, I'm saying real Housewife of O.C.

[B]

O.C.

[A]

When I was on Chelsea lately, I look out from the panel and I see Slade and Gina Kino's son, this old school real house OC and this blonde girl. That's Slade's new girlfriend. He had broken up with Joe.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

And somehow. And Lynn Curtin, somehow, they met Chewie out one night. Rest in peace. So I go, oh, my God. I'm like, I'm the only one watching Real Housewives. Nobody knows who these people are. And I'm like, oh, my God. So we go to Chewie's dressing room, and I'm like, I'm a huge fan. I know everything about the show. And I meet the new girlfriend, and I'm like, oh, my God, Slade. And I go, and Jo was such a bitch after you bought all that expensive jewelry for her birthday. She wears the jewelry and goes out with her girlfriends to the nightclub. Now, this is 17 years ago, 16 years. He goes, I never bought that jewelry. That was a jeweler friend of mine that wanted to be featured. We never paid for that. And so I'm like, this has been going on since the beginning of time. And they know that, but they. Because she's not. Because Lisa's not happy with her and because, you know, they're all so much about, like, you're not as rich and your car is leased and you borrowed something. You know, it's all of that.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure Lisa has worn things that were borrowed just for the show and then gave them back and never bought them. Like, it's. Everybody does it on every season on Real Housewives. Everything's a loner, right? Cause, like, why once you wear it on camera, once you don't. Unless you're Erica with the panther. The panther ring. And you're gonna wear that until the end. And the earrings.

[A]

Yeah. She ran out of that Pasadena home with that, like, stuck up her vagina. She was like, ah, that's it. All I need is this one duffel bag. Yeah. Oh, my God. But the reunion is good. What's your general thoughts about the season?

[B]

It was a good season. Yeah, it was a good season. I like Bronwyn I like Mary. I like Angie, like the newbies, really. I mean, even though Angie and Mary aren't really new, but I feel like there was just this new energy that they kind of brought that really kind of overshadowed, like, Meredith and Heather this season that I like. So I feel like one of them has to go at some point.

[A]

What do you think about the. Hold on. I'm gonna find the photo, because I thought I had it. Wait, where is the. Shh. Oh, here it is. What do you think about the Alibaba of it all? So last night. So Whitney has a curated jewelry line. It's jewelry with a purpose and. And for jewelry with intention, and it's zodiac signs and Christian stuff and whatever. And. And then she. So I remember when this came out, and someone realized that the same photo that she was using on her website to promote her jewelry was the same photo that was on Alibaba, which is where you could buy the stuff that. This is the cheap of the cheap. You get it. You put it in your little retail store, whatever. And that these items were going for $3.96.96 cents into Alibaba, and they're going for 48 on hers. So the story comes out. She tries to say, Lisa Barlow put it out there. I personally think some fan figured it out. Yeah, I mean, it was a fan who figured out that the earrings that were told to be $10,000 were from Revolve. Right away. Someone's like, I saw those earrings. I just bought them today. And then I. Other juicy scoopers helped me, like, solidify that, yes, they were even bought by her. Whatever. And so I'm like, I don't think Lisa had to do this. I think this was. I think a smaller creator or just a fan gave it to a medium creator who originally put it out.

[B]

And no, they posted it. So there was an account that posted this on Instagram Stories, and they even showed that when they posted it, Whitney Rose had viewed their story. And they have the screenshot of Whitney seeing their stories, seeing that this comparison was already out there before anybody else, before any of the bigger creators started sharing it or talking about it or like, it was months before the show was even filmed.

[A]

Like a puppy gate, where it's like, Lisa Vanderpump will go to her grave saying, I did not do this. I don't. I mean, I'm like, I just think there's so many people working around. There's the people at the. At the shelter. There's the people who are a P.A. there's a nanny of Doritz. There's the nanny of the woman who she gave the dog to. Like, who's to say where it somehow got. And maybe she was privy to it at one point, but, like, did she actually go out and put this out there to, like, destroy Whitney's life or whatever? No. And so. But then last night, Whitney goes. That was a placeholder. And, you know, I mean, come on.

[B]

It's obviously. It was from Alibaba. And, like, she's like, they're from curated vendors. Yeah. One of those curated vendors is fucking Ali Baba. Like, cast out of the bag.

[A]

But it is Meredith's voice. Well, did you get your jewelry from Ali Baba? Meredith does Ali Baba. Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, afterwards, I started looking at stuff at Alibaba. I'm like, why the fuck not? Fronie reunion. They are the most stylish of all the housewives. Look at these looks. This is psy in this black dress. I guess they were told to do, like, black and gold. I mean, Jessel in this number. I mean, they have so much style. And then, of course, you know, Jenna.

[B]

I can't with Jenna Lyons.

[A]

Jenna Lyons had to be weird and wore a black bathrobe with a thing on her hair. But still kind of fun.

[B]

I like her shoes.

[A]

And then Aaron is pregnant in.

[B]

We've seen this on Housewives so many times, though, just in the. The Tom Ford pink version of it. Lisa Van.

[A]

They're my least favorite uba.

[B]

UBA looks great. Her shoe is great.

[A]

And the bracelets, like, they just have really good style. Hold on. And then. Oh, and then this one I really like. This girl is the new lesbian model, Raquel. This is white, black, and gold. Like, this is such a stunning, stunning dress. I love it. Okay, so when with this whole thing, what is your prediction of what is going to happen with Bryn? And because we just to get people up to date, Bryn essentially lied and said she told UBA a while back that she had been essayed. And then she's. But she's very sexual in the way she always talks and jokes. And then at one point, UBA was annoyed with her and was. Because Bryn said, if you're tired at dinner, why are you even here? Which is what I always talk about. Once they start to go acting like they all work at Kmart and they all clocked in, and if someone is not participating, not yelling, not fighting, not bringing it is on their phone or tired, they're like, you're not pulling your weight. Why are you even here? And that Ticked off uba. And UBA is like, don't tell me what I have to do. I'm uba, whatever her last name is. And she's very self assured. And so she gets in the van and she's like, don't tell me what I have to do. You know, I got this job because of who I am. You got this job. Who knows? Probably because you slept with somebody. Well, then, you know, that is rude. And that's. And I don't know who she's sleeping with, what gay producer she had to sleep with. Clearly, you know, it's. I don't think that's how you get the job at Bravo. But that, then she takes that, runs with it and is, you know, upset about it. And the girls are upset. They're like, stop saying that. And then it gets confusing because then Britt is like, you're like basically saying, I have a dick in my mouth. And then UBA's like, I did not say you have a dick in your mouth. I said you probably slept with someone to get the job. And everyone's like, oh, my God, this is. Stop talking. Stop talking. So then Bryn, buzzed, gets more upset and is like, I can't believe she's saying this. Especially because I shared with her that I was essayed. Okay? And whatever. So she says it and it's like, oh my. She says the full word that, you know, if I say it, I don't know. Sometimes I say these things on YouTube and sometimes same. So they're all like, oh my God, what an insensitive, horrible, cruel bitch. So they're all team her. And then they go to bed and they take off the bikes. And then Jessel goes to uba. Like, girls are pretty upset. Like, I don't know why you would say that when you know the background of Brynn. And she's like, I was never told that. And then everyone realizes that Bryn is a pathological liar. And then Bryn does an article for Rolling Stone that comes out and she compliments all of her castmates. She doesn't say anything mean about them, but she justifies her behavior and is like, I'm very close to Aaron. We're like sisters. And then Aaron comments and she's like, we are not sisters. I haven't talked to her in three months. I was rooting for her and now I don't know what the hell is her issue.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I, I don't think they bring her back next season. I just don't see how they can because nobody, I mean, all the women have publicly distanced themselves. Jenna Lyons did it. Erin, you know, posted her comment. So I don't think that she has. And there's no lifeline. There's no Shina Shay on the cast that's gonna be like, okay, let me play both sides. And, like, be nice to Tom Sandval. Like, we don't have that with Brynn. And so, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if she turns into the next Leah McSweeney and wants to sue the network and joins the reality reckoning right there with Raquel and Leah. And, you know, she says, Andy Cohen tried to give her coke in the bathroom of Watch what Happens live. She's gonna come up with something that producers encouraged her or something. She's gonna come up with with something to hold against the network if she doesn't get to keep her job. But I don't think she's keeping her job.

[A]

No, I don't either. I mean, I don't know, though, that any of them are coming back.

[B]

I don't. That's my thing. That's why I was like, everyone online, everyone's like, fire, Brynn. Firebring. I'm like, you, like, shut up. None of you are watching the show to begin with.

[A]

The ratings were terrible.

[B]

Like, why do you not have an opinion on who should be fired? Scrap it all. And then nobody cares about any of them.

[A]

This explosion thing is even hard for me to talk about. Like, it's not.

[B]

Like, it's not a juicy standoff. It's not fun.

[A]

It's, like, gross. It's like, are you a pathological liar because you had a shitty childhood? So then should we feel sorry for you? But then your lies have caused a lot of pain for other people, and you're just, like, a weirdo. Like, I don't know.

[B]

And then Lizzie Savetsky came out.

[A]

So Lizzie was. I talked briefly about this before, but she was on the show. And I've read more about what has happened because I think I was a little bit not clear. But I wrote to her, and I go, how are you feeling about what's going on with Bryn? She's like, thank God now people are seeing her for who she is. So the story was, she is Jewish, and she is a matchmaker between Jewish men and women.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

And so Bryn was like, set me up with a hot, you know, Jew. And she's like, well, we're not that kind of matchmaker. Like, these guys want to be with Jewish women so that the bloodline of the child remains Jewish. And the Jewish is the religion of the mom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she then says, oh, my God, the bloodline. Then you're as bad as. You know. I don't know if she said the N word meaning N, A Z, I, Nazi, but she insinuated that. And then that really upset Lizzie because, like, her whole thing is like, she was already getting anti Semitic stuff. And this is before October 7th. So then she goes and is talking to the producers about it. And then it was. And then they go, you should have a call with Bryn herself. And while they're having the call, it gets.

[B]

What happens then Bryn's trying to explain her side of it because she does kind of allude to, you know, Lizzie. And she somehow Bryn compares it to, like, as if somebody called. Cause Bryn's half black. Somebody called her the N word. And she said the N word on the phone call, right? Bryn did, yes.

[A]

And so then she's like, what? No, like, this is. You know. So then they get off the phone, and then her husband, who was privy to the call. Cause she had put it on speaker. He then talks to the producers and he says, this is just all too scary for us to even get involved with because this girl is. Oh, this was it. According to her husband at heard, they're on speakerphone with her. They said that Bryn said. I'll say this was it. She said that Bryn threatened. And I'm just trying to remember the article. So just that she said, if, you know, I'll just go around telling people that you called me that. That was it. She threatened it. She'll say, I'll just say that you called me the N word.

[B]

Yeah. I think she said it was like. It's basically like calling me the N word. And I think, whatever. But I think Bryn plays in this way. Or like, she kind of alludes to certain things.

[A]

Right. Or. But it sounds.

[B]

She dances.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it was like a threat that she was.

[A]

I'll say this. And that's what then made them upset. And then in relaying the story is when the husband said the word.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that made the producers just go, oh, my God. And then. But also she was like, get me out of this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she never made a dime.

[B]

Yeah. And he never got paid for the.

[A]

Things that she filmed.

[B]

He didn't call Bryn the N word. He was quoting Bryn by saying. And she said she would do this. And he used the word without saying the N word. He used the full word. And then that's when they decided to just nix them.

[A]

But they wanted out too. Cause they were just like.

[B]

I think they saw that Bryn was just a liability.

[A]

Yeah. Liability. And the whole thing is, like, in watching real houses in Salt Lake City and Mary saying, like, well, I got upset with Angie because I have abandonment issues. My mom. I'm like, listen, this is who they choose. They choose fucked up people. And sometimes they're kind of funny. Cause they're like a fucked up socialite, like Sonia Ramona. And it's funny. And she, like, Sonya is as funny and fucked up as she is. I always was a Sonja fan because she never did anything, like, outwardly cruel or manipulative or. Or planning or premeditated to hurt a cast member.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? Never in all those years. She was sloppy and she was whatever, but she was like, I'm gonna knock you out. Like, fall.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, things like that. Like. But this is just like, now you. But then. But then you can get other fucked up people that have sad childhoods or whatever. And, you know, like, Mary's like, my mother left me, too. Yeah, because you married her stepdad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You married her stepdad.

[B]

Her husband. Her mom was grandad. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Because she married the grandmother's husband and took over the church. And the mom supposedly wanted the church, but she was like, too late. I'm marrying the step. So it's like. That is sad and weird, but, like, if you go, if that's who you're getting, then you also might get the brand. Real liability. Stuff like this.

[B]

That goes for, like, Brandy, huh? Like Brandi.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, sometimes they don't know how to filter or they don't think things through, and they just do and say things. Cause that was like, an issue in Beverly Hills where a lot of the women were afraid to film with Brandi because they never knew what was gonna come out of her mouth.

[A]

Right. Zach, Such a delight. Looking cuter than you've ever looked before.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Killing it. Tell everybody where they can get more of you and your great content.

[B]

Yes. No Filter with Zach Peters. Streams live on YouTube Monday through Friday and available on all podcast platforms.

[A]

Thank you, honey. Follow him and let's see. Oh, we never said. Oh, wait. We said the prediction. The prediction was that they would settle.

[B]

They would settle. It's not gonna go to trial. There's no way.

[A]

Okay, mine is that they'll settle and then that she might leave him. Yes.

[B]

And write a book. Meghan Markle. She's gonna take Meghan Markle's deal. She'd be like, meghan Markle's. Not taking it. I'll take the deal.

[A]

Not that I want any family to break up.

[B]

It ends with divorce.

[A]

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