A (2:28)

What is a bummer because she's old. Everyone's just like, oh, if this could have happened to anybody that's 25, it would have been confusing. People have screwed up.

B (2:38)

Yeah.

A (2:38)

Teleprompters and all that kind of stuff.

B (2:41)

So that was at least because she's old. I think people give her a bit More of an excuse where. You're right. If it were someone that was a lot younger than they would have been dragged a lot more.

A (2:49)

Okay, the outfit started with. First, let's just start with Heidi Klum. Lately, we always have to see her do her weird Halloween thing, right? But lately, like, I just saw that she did something where she was, like, naked with just a fur coat on, like a dirty train track. What is with the thirst at this point in her life? What's going on?

B (3:10)

I mean, she's not relevant the way that she used to be. I mean, all people know her for is America's Next, America's Got Talent, right? And I just feel like she's trying to stay relevant. But, like, you're right. It was cute when it was Valentine's or not Valentine's when it was Halloween. Now I'm having a share moment. It was cute when it was Halloween and she would wear all these, like, crazy outfits. And you would, like, look forward to it. And now it just feels like she's trying so hard. Like, this is very Kim Kardashian style. Let me do my bodysuit.

A (3:36)

So it was like a plastic. It looked like it was almost like what you'd pour on yourself if you were gonna make yourself a statue. And then you just cut it around to be a strapless dress to your knee. So the back of it is like a full cutout of the ass. She could not walk. The video was. It wasn't flattering from the front, honestly. Not flattering.

B (3:57)

She.

A (3:59)

But it's like, oh, I see your nipples. And it looks like this. Like, it does. It looks like someone threw cement or paint on her and then cut around it. And again, it was. I get it. You're. It's a pain in the ass to go to these things. And maybe sometimes at a certain point.

B (4:14)

Someone'S like, this helps.

A (4:15)

No.

B (4:16)

Well, this is even more uncomfortable.

A (4:17)

Obviously, she couldn't sit in that, so she did something for the carpet. And then she. Either maybe she didn't even stay. Like, a lot of people for smaller events will just do the carpet and bail. And so I'm like, maybe she just did this. I was like, look, if I'm going to go and be uncomfortable, why not be really fucking uncomfortable? Because she shouldn't walk in this and get some press out of it. Because Zach seems to think I'm not that relevant anymore. Cause all I do is sit. And I'm on America's Got Talent. So I think a lot of it is for that.

B (4:49)

She.

A (4:49)

I mean, she's not a singer. She's not a producer of music. So how else was she gonna stand out?

B (4:54)

Yeah. Cause I mean, what else aside from America's Got Talent? She doesn't have a whole lot going on. And now you have like, the Gigi Hadid's and the Kendall Jenners that are the new era of y young models that are getting all of those big campaigns, and there's just not much going on in her life.

A (5:10)

Speaking of Kendall Jenner, I ran it to Caitlyn.

B (5:14)

Oh, at my club.

A (5:15)

We belong to the same club. And she was very excited to show me Kendall's super bowl commercial.

B (5:21)

Oh, yeah.

A (5:22)

And it's very cute.

B (5:23)

It is cute.

A (5:24)

It's really cute. And then at the end she said, I don't know why they call it the Kardashian curse. That's not even my last name. I'm a Jenner. And Caitlyn really liked that. So I was like, good for her. But yeah, I agree. It's like there's a whole nother era, but I don't hate her for it because again, whatever. It got us something to talk about.

B (5:43)

I mean, listen, at her age, to have a body that great is speaking of the body.

A (5:46)

So then we had Chapel Roan who wore this thing. And I took this photo of it. So I heard, okay, so these are not real tattoos. The nipples were like. It was made to look like her boobs were completely out. And she had piercings in which the dress was then clipped on the piercing. And the dress doesn't really start till her belly button. And then her stylist came and adjusted her in front of the carpet, which the cameras caught, and then brought her hair over the boobs for the photos. And of course, it was sheer with just a G string. What was the now is. What was the point of this?

B (6:27)

I find her to be so insufferable. Like, I hate that her music is actually kind of good. I hate that she has an incredible voice. Cause I like her music. But every time I see her on a red carpet yelling at a paparazzi, complaining like, she. Nobody hates their fans more than Chapel Row, which is like, why do you even have fans left at this point? Because it's not like, like, Mariah Carey's a diva, right? So she can be a little diva e to the fans, and they love it and the gays love it. But, like, Chapel Ron was on, you know, a street corner in Santa Monica two years ago, and now she's like, become this big international success and good for her. But I just. I don't like celebrities who die to become famous and then become famous and then hate every second of it.

A (7:07)

And, you know, this is where I'm. I just want to know, and maybe she'll give an interview about it and we'll find out. So who thought of this? Who thought of this? Was it her idea? Was someone else's idea? Was it, like, how do I stand out? Let's. Because then I. The. Then I read somewhere that that wasn't really her nipple rings.

B (7:28)

No. She has. There's, like, pasties that are over them. Like, if you zoom into it, it's like a pasty that's over and then.

A (7:35)

So that's how she gets away with it.

B (7:36)

Yeah.

A (7:37)

So it's not.

B (7:39)

You don't see the actual nipple. It's covering. I think she has, like, a. Like, Whatever the tattoo is that's over her. It's like a really thin, sheer, like, thing that's, like, draped over her. And then. Because, like, if you zoom in, the whole thing is, like, covered, and it's like flesh color. And then the. What the attachment is on the fabric.

A (7:56)

And then when she presented, she had changed into something else, too. So, I mean, you know, I get it. Whatever that was, that was a lot to look at.

B (8:05)

It's just very like Kim Kardashian meets Rose McGowan. Like, there's nothing new or original about it. It's like, the only thing orig.

A (8:12)

Is that these are her real boobs.

B (8:14)

No, Rose McGowan did it. She had her nipples out and all.

A (8:17)

No, but I'm saying these are. These are not a breast. These are not a breast job. This is real boob. This is real boob. Because you can tell then Joy Villa, who is she?

B (8:29)

She's an artist, too. She's a singer.

A (8:31)

Anyway, she used to be in Scientology, and she laughed and hates them. So she wore this crazy jumpsuit and had. That says Scientology kills. And then inside the jacket were all its. Of all the people that she believe. I. I believe have passed or something or been involved with Scientology somehow.

B (8:54)

Yeah.

A (8:55)

And that was her goal to get that story out. So.

B (8:58)

Well, she does this every Grammys. She does, like, a big, shocking.

A (9:02)

Oh, she doesn't even know that.

B (9:03)

Yeah, she's done, like, MAGA dresses in the past. Like, she does a lot of crazy outfits.

A (9:08)

Okay.

B (9:08)

To make statements. Yeah. Oh, my God.

A (9:12)

People cannot stop talking about Kelly Osbourne's appearance.

B (9:17)

They look like troll dolls.

A (9:18)

Heather and now Sharon Osborne has been this very. This thin for a very long time. I Mean, truly, the only thing, the only fat on them are their lips. Like that's the only thing.

B (9:30)

And it's lip filler.

A (9:31)

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's like. Yeah. And Sharon Osborne said she took Ozempic or a version of it and. And like can't get back to the weight. Like she doesn't want to be this thin. She said that somewhere.

B (9:45)

Yeah.

A (9:45)

Kelly is just like, leave me alone. Leave me alone.

B (9:50)

Yeah.

A (9:50)

Who's going to clean your toilets? Leave me alone. And her arms look pretty worked out. She looks thin, toned. Yeah. I just wonder if it was somebody else. I'm covering up her face like on my little screen on my hand. Right. But if it was somebody else and we didn't know her as a one time curvy, full faced young girl, would we be this freaked out about it?

B (10:14)

I think the part that's jarring for me. Well, I mean like, look at Bethany Frankel. She's always been super skinny, so it doesn't really look right.

A (10:20)

I mean, I'm sure she and Bethany Frankel could wear the same size dress.

B (10:24)

See her like Instagram stories or videos. Like, her face looks so gone and sunken in that it looks scary.

A (10:31)

Yeah.

B (10:32)

And she says like she's not eating because she's grieving and you know, she's still mourning the loss of her dad and she can't eat or keep food down. But it just, it looks concerning.

A (10:40)

Well, I mean, I think when you go up and down in your weight a lot, which she has over the years, and then you find something that works. I do think for certain people that have struggled with weight, it can be another form of addiction.

B (10:56)

Yeah.

A (10:56)

Which she's struggled with addiction as well. Where you just love the feeling of being that small.

B (11:02)

Yeah.

A (11:03)

And you are. Okay. Like you people can be this small and be fine.

B (11:07)

Function. Yeah.

A (11:08)

And. And then you just. But to everybody else as a public figure, you just look so different.

B (11:14)

Yeah.

A (11:15)

That it's just, that's what I think. I just think it's. And we're gonna see it more and more because people are able to be much smaller versions of themselves.

B (11:24)

Yeah.

A (11:24)

And if they're known as a certain type.

B (11:26)

I mean, Heather Game.

A (11:28)

Yeah.

B (11:29)

But her head is withering away.

A (11:30)

Her head got bigger though. Okay. Then this was kind of funny. This is. Let me see. Who had ti and tiny. And they just look like they were going to like a pickleball tournament. I don't understand what this outfit, it was like country club chic. They chose to wear it I think I just realized. I think they were smart. They wanted to wear something yellow so that the backdrop of the yellow CBS would pop.

B (11:57)

Yeah.

A (11:57)

And this is all they had in their closet. That's what I think happened.

B (12:00)

Well, I also think they're like, not like a TI is not a 2020 fame. Right. He's like early 2003. So he's just like, oh, you just wear a nice outfit to the award show. You know, wear nipple piercings, like all these over the top outlandish outfits that are meant to get attention. Like, he's just like, you know, he just thinks you just put on a nice outfit and then when.

A (12:18)

Yeah, okay. So Justin Bieber comes out to perform. He comes out with a purple guitar in just a pair of, like, boxer shorts, completely shirtless. And I love his music. I mean, I love his songs. And this song I'm in love with too. So it didn't bother me. I did not have a problem with just him in his underwear. How about you?

B (12:44)

I appreciate it. I mean, listen, is he a little, you know, crazy now? Yeah, he's a little. Not with us, but, like, he still gives a good performance.

A (12:53)

Yeah.

B (12:54)

I just think other people, they're not getting it. It's not clocking to them that he's standing on business in his boxers.

A (13:00)

And I think it was, you know, and it's like, look, he's still with Haley. Everybody talks.

B (13:05)

She's not letting him go.

A (13:06)

And everyone talked about how he never, like, holds the door for her and how she'd be chasing him down the street on a skateboard while he ran away and, like, all these funny videos and everything. But they do have a child together. They have been married a long time. The. Who was he with before? Selena Gomez. That whole thing has come and gone. Like, they're still strong. I mean, I do believe he is, you know, very. Still very into his religion and God and faith and Jesus. And so I think that really is what drives him to, you know, stay in this relationship. He knows it's the most important role is to be a father, I believe, and a husband. And so I think it's. I thought it was great. And that's what he felt like wearing that. Like. Yeah, that's.

B (13:49)

Listen, and he's talented. He doesn't need to wear, you know.

A (13:51)

He doesn't need to wear anything.

B (13:52)

No.

A (13:53)

And the body's looking good.

B (13:54)

Like, he looks.

A (13:55)

He's like, getting older and, like, getting a cuter older.

B (13:58)

Yeah.

A (13:58)

So good for him. Sabrina got in trouble because she brought out a Live bird into her performance. And PETA said, you know, you know, you don't know that that bird wanted to work.

B (14:11)

Oh, my God, Is Peter still around? How are they not extinct by now? What is this, 2002? Like, how are they still in business?

A (14:18)

And I don't know. Like, I think the bird had a pretty fucking good time.

B (14:22)

I'm sure the bird is fine.

A (14:23)

The bird got. It's probably been trained its whole life. The bird got to be in a. In a production. Why does everyone think that? You know, it's the same thing when sometimes people say, okay, you shouldn't have. Someone was like, oh, my God, so and so had a little person at their Christmas party doing, like, a performance with, like, elves.

B (14:45)

Yeah.

A (14:45)

That's so terrible. That's. They should have never had it. Okay, so if that person doesn't hire the little person who is a performer.

B (14:52)

Yeah.

A (14:52)

Then now you're taking a job away from somebody that is, like, this is their time. Just like the old man that looks like Santa makes all his money during Christmas time.

B (15:01)

Well, yeah. It's like. Well, is it. There's, like, a controversy of, like, don't have people play people of other, you know, racial backgrounds. But, like, they want to erase. Like, I'm somebody that's very passionate about the little people rights. And I think that we need, like, the Snow White. When they erased all the little people. I did cgi.

A (15:16)

No, I remember. I remember when we first heard of working at Chelsea lately, heard that there was going to be the one with Johnny Depp.

B (15:22)

Yeah.

A (15:24)

And I said, well, this is wonderful. So many of Chewy's friends will have work. And then we saw. No, they got one person who wasn't even a little person, made him little cgi. And then the next round, they did the same thing again and didn't use the little people.

B (15:37)

I don't know why they don't want to use little people are available and up for business. Peter Dinklage is not going to turn away a job like, and employ all the. Otherwise, what are they going to do? Porn. That's what they were doing, right?

A (15:50)

That's what Chewy was doing. Yeah, yeah. And it wasn't a big deal. Though I did have to see it one day. Against my eyeballs wishes.

B (15:57)

Oh, Blake Lively. Harassment. Don't show a video.

A (16:02)

True. But listen, PETA does good work. I understand. I just don't think having a little bird in your thing. I don't think she thought she was. I'm sure all her dogs are rescues.

B (16:16)

Yeah.

A (16:17)

Or if they're not. She says they are. I bet everybody on there, nobody thought, hey, wait a minute, maybe we shouldn't have a bird in this act.

B (16:26)

Like, I just don't think anyone in the bird.

A (16:28)

I don't either. But I'm just saying, you know, I'm.

B (16:30)

Sure the bird was very well taken.

A (16:32)

Do you think she's mad at her staff right now with this?

B (16:34)

No.

A (16:35)

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B (20:49)

Nope.

A (20:50)

Especially when you still even after a nose jobs have a prominent nose. We need eyebrows to balance it out.

B (20:55)

Yeah.

A (20:55)

So I think she's super talented. I think she is pretty. I just hate that look.

B (21:00)

I do too.

A (21:01)

This girl. Oh my God. The best.

B (21:05)

Oh yeah. Olivia Dean.

A (21:06)

Olivia Dean. I've been hearing this song. I did not know that she was this young.

B (21:12)

I didn't either.

A (21:13)

I feel it's almost like she has that mature. She's 26. So she's not so. But it's that mature voice. That when you first hear it, you imagine a certain look of a singer and she looks like she could be, you know, trying to join a sorority tomorrow. And like, she is so cute. And so that was nice. Our girl from summer house, Sierra Miller, she really. She brought the side to the eye.

B (21:34)

She looks incredible.

A (21:35)

She thought, look at this side titty. And then who walks behind her was full frontal titty chaperone. So it's.

B (21:44)

It's hard gonna be risque.

A (21:46)

The angels up in the sky. So we had to hear that song again. And he actually went up in the sky and it made me nervous. Just like when I had to watch that guy climb the tallest mountain, though. What do you mean? Doesn't he have like a little on his butt stool holding him? I think. I'm sure there's. I'm sure there's lots. But it still gave me anxiety watching that because it reminded me of the guy that climbed the Netflix Taiwanese highest thing.

B (22:15)

I know now people are connecting him to the fake moon landing.

A (22:20)

What? Tell me that.

B (22:21)

Well, because he was trying to call, but his AirPods didn't have service. So people are like, how is it that we don't have AirPods to get this dude on this building, but yet that we were calling the moon?

A (22:32)

Oh, well, of course, that's always been the thing of like, why don't I believe we did not go to the moon?

B (22:37)

We did not go to the moon. I fully believe we did not go to the moon.

A (22:40)

I don't know if I ever tell you, but the first time I ever even heard that theory was I was writing for Kenan Ivy Wayans on his late night talk show. It was approximately 1997. And he brought it up and that was. And the minute he said why, which was about the flag waving and that it was in a studio and that, you know, and he brought up things right away, like, who. Who took the photo?

B (23:03)

Who.

A (23:04)

Yeah, if you're coming.

B (23:05)

Who filmed us as we're leaving? Who did we leave on the moon?

A (23:07)

Yeah. And calling the president.

B (23:09)

Yeah.

A (23:09)

And I was like, oh, my God. And then I never. I would say it to people and they'd go, you're crazy. And then of course, you know, TikTok comes along and everybody puts it all together.

B (23:19)

Yeah. And.

A (23:21)

But I thought you were. When you first said, I thought you're saying that somehow he really didn't climb the thing. I'm like, no, no, no, he definitely did.

B (23:26)

My. Every time I come, I'm going to bring you a new conspiracy theory, because last time was Helen Keller.

A (23:31)

Helen Keller. And I'm still into the Helen Keller one.

B (23:34)

It's great.

A (23:35)

And I'm seeing more and more about it.

B (23:37)

Yeah, we're exposing her. She was a fraud. It was really Anne Sullivan that I think was the lady that was teaching her. I said, like, if Ann Sullivan were around today, she would be running a Somali daycare just to catch you guys.

A (23:51)

Up, because we do need to just talk about this for one minute. So I came across Zach talking about it, and now a lot of people have talked about it, and it is kind of funny because it's so ridiculous, because we all heard about Helen Keller. We all had to study it in fourth grade about how she was deaf and it's wrong to say dumb and blind, meaning that she. Dumb, meaning that she couldn't speak and she was blind and she was deaf and she couldn't speak because she couldn't see. People's mouths move and because she was deaf. And so then this woman comes in and she's wild everything. And they. She teaches her son. So are they was essentially Ann Sullivan the one who created sign language? Or did sign language exist before Helen Keller?

B (24:34)

How is she gonna do sign language? She can't see. So the way that they taught her how to communicate is she would touch your mouth and your throat, and then from there, she would hear your vocal cords and then see your mouth move. But I don't know how she knew what word words were because, like, she can't hear words and she can't see words. So I don't know how. Feeling it. Then determined, because that was the whole thing, is she taught her how to touch you, and then that's how she.

A (24:58)

I guess my question. I guess my question would be to the people that want to do it, has there been other people born since that were both born deaf and blind and were able to use the tools.

B (25:12)

Of Anne Sullivan to fly a plane?

A (25:15)

I think the plane part isn't totally. Was that really in our books?

B (25:19)

Yes, it's in history. If you Google it. Did Helen Keller fly a plane? It will tell you. She flew a plane for 20 minutes.

A (25:29)

Anyway.

B (25:30)

Clearly, she flew it better than Amelia Earhart.

A (25:32)

Can this please be the next doc? Because I don't need to see a doc about how people made cassette mixtapes for their loved ones in 1989. Like, there's two, and it doesn't need to be seven parts. Yeah, I just watched this other thing. This guy goes the amount of drone shots in. In documentaries today to milk it out into three episodes, which could Just be one. Yeah. Is unbelievable. And also just, you know, too many stories I already know. Like, I need a new story. And, and this one I would like. This one I would like to really go through it and have someone. I hope someone is truly investigating this whole thing and making a documentary about Helen Keller.

B (26:14)

We need. I'm, I'm here. I will be seated.

A (26:17)

Okay, so let's talk about a little bit. They're saying on page six, Taylor Swift's popularity rating dropped even before the release of her controversial text messages. Fill us in, Fill us in on all of this. Your opinions. Where are we now with that? You are the expert.

B (26:35)

Yeah. So we, we finally have gotten all the evidence. It's been released on the docket. Blake Lively has been filing to keep everything under seal because she's a victim and she doesn't want private details out there. Now it's all out there. And like, she doesn't, in my opinion, she still doesn't have a strong case. Like, her argument is that he, he nuzzled her neck when they were dancing in a scene together one time, but she didn't give him consent to nuzzle her neck. Or he had his hand on her, her upper, on her back, and then he lowered it a little bit and she didn't give him. And even the judge was kind of annoyed. Well, he's like, well, is every improvised scene now going to need a jury to determine, you know, is it appropriate or is it, you know, considered harassment? So all the evidence has come out, including all the text messages with Taylor Swift, all the Sony executives who are all talking about what a nightmare she was. They call her a terrorist. They say that she's hijacking the film. They say that she's the one that caused all of the backlash that she's claiming was the smear campaign. They say that she was epic level stupid. Literally their words. When she's promoting her hair care line and her alcohol line. She even named one of the cocktails.

A (27:40)

During this filming during, during the promotion.

B (27:43)

Promotion. So you have all the Sony executives that are talking about that. You also have the Sony executives that are putting pressure on Baldoni and his team to make the movie sexier because it's an R rated movie, so they need more hot sexiness. And Blake Lively, their text messages to her own team talking about how, yeah, the marketing needs to be sexy. So when you have her using these words and the Sony executive using these words, and it's like, well, then how is Justin Baldoni saying her outfit being sexy is harassment? So now it's in the judge's hand. He has to determine what. What parts of her case will now move forward to trial in May, if any. So Baldoni's defamation case got thrown out because the judge determined that her allegations weren't qualified as defamation because they're in a legal filing. And if it's in a legal filing, you have litigation protection. You can't be sued for defamation. So whether she's telling the truth or lying, she still can't be sued for defamation because it's protected. It's a form of protected.

A (28:38)

So if she had just. Just for the people and for everybody.

B (28:41)

Clarification.

A (28:42)

So if she had just done an interview.

B (28:46)

Yeah.

A (28:46)

And told the story of like, hey, it was really fucking weird. These five things happen. And I felt like, you know, da, da, da. Then he could have come after her for defamation because he could say, this isn't true.

B (28:57)

I didn't think that's how Amber heard lost.

A (28:59)

And. But because she filed the legal lawsuit against his production company first, then the article was written about it. And so therefore the New York Times was safe because they were just writing article about something that's already in a lawsuit.

B (29:18)

Correct.

A (29:18)

Because otherwise, if this wasn't. If this was allowed, then anybody that brings any client kind of claims of sexual assault or fills out a rape report or whatever could then be sued for defamation by their accuser. So that is why it's like that.

B (29:33)

Correct. And it wasn't a lawsuit. It was just a complaint that she filed in California, which gives you additional me too protections. California has a special protection to make sure that you can't be sued specifically for making allegations of sexual harassment. So she had the litigation privilege and she had the me too protections. And so.

A (29:51)

So let me ask you, since you've really, like, studied, what do you think in, like, the timeline happened, where. And then she got. She consulted someone to go, look, you got to get at least one complaint out there. Then we're going to call the New York Times to write about it. Then how do you think it happened from when the show finished filming to it premiered? People went to go see it. It even. It even came out on streamer before all this stuff came out.

B (30:25)

Yeah.

A (30:25)

What do you think the order of events was and why?

B (30:28)

So I think she clearly didn't like Beldoni. Now, did he harass her or not is really unclear because there's nothing really in any of her text messages or email, like, nobody's talking about harassment until she starts filing stuff, which is late after the film had Already premiered. And it does seem like Taylor Swift had a big involvement. Well, I guess you can determine whether or not you think Taylor Swift had a really big involvement. So it seems like Justin Baldoni's former publicist who he fired. Her name is Stephanie Jones. She's representing him. He thinks she's getting a little crazy and erratic. He fires her and leaves. She seems to get upset, and then somehow goes on this crusade to give all of these text messages to. To Blake Lively to say, hey, they were plotting a smear campaign against you. So she seems to be the catalyst that convinced Blake that this was actually going on, which I understand Blake's perspective of being like, hey, this publicist who is representing him at the time is that there was a smear campaign against me. Why would she not believe that information?

A (31:25)

And I will say, during that time, there were a lot of videos and things coming out of people saying that she was a. Or she's difficult, or there was one. One particular one that was like a hair and makeup guy that was doing, like, a podcast or whatever, and he said how wonderful Catherine Cate Blanchett was to him as his. He was her regular person and told this whole story about how Cate Blanchett did this wonderful stuff for him, and they were best friends on set. And then when he worked for Blake Lively, you know, she didn't look him in the eye or she didn't ask him about his daughter or whatever. And I remember I, like, was seeing lots of these things. So when the initial thing came out, I did go, yeah, I think this is suspect. I think it's weird that all this stuff came out when. And I wasn't thinking she was a bitch when the movie first came out, I was just like, I've heard she's.

B (32:22)

A bitch for a long time. I knew people that worked for years prior to this. Right.

A (32:26)

So I could see why she was like, okay, now this all makes sense. My nemesis, this person that I didn't go along with, is actually behind it.

B (32:35)

Yeah. So I understand why she believed that at first. But then when you really look at the chain of events, a lot of the speculation from the premiere was because they weren't doing any press together and they weren't on the carpet together, and she was posing with all of the cast, and he was by himself, which I think made people start to dig into, was there any tension on set?

A (32:53)

I remember that.

B (32:54)

And then from. And then there was that speculation. And then it was the. The little bump video where the reporter was sitting down with Blake and she's like, congrats on your little bump. She's like, congrats on your little bump. That then went viral.

A (33:05)

Everybody started jumping in from many years back. So you could, one could maybe argue, was there a team that was putting this out there and maybe giving it to people to then put out on the Internet, which is why then she subpoenaed lots of creators and whatnot, because she was like, did you just come up with this stuff on your own, or was someone dming and giving it to you? Like what Lisa Barlow gets accused of from the Women in Real Houses of Salt Lake City. Is she feeding it? Did Katie of the OC make friends with all these influencers and. And not influencers, content creators in the Bravo world to get other stories about the cast member and herself out there inadvertently, just be like, let me drop this. People say Lisa Vanderpump used to do that, where she would say, print the magazine. Brandy of Mauricio, crazy story of him with a transvestite. You know, I'm just saying throw it in your back, pull it out when you're by the pool of Palm Springs. You know, like that type of stuff. Right. Okay, so continue.

B (34:10)

So the timeline gets a little murky. So we have the premiere in August, and it appears that's around the same time that she then gets access to these text messages. Then it seems come October, there's a dinner with Ronan Farrow. Obviously, he's the one that digged the big Harvey Weinstein expose with Rose McGowan. And I always said the second the New York Times article dropped, I was like, this feels like them trying to replicate Rose McGowan with Harvey Weinstein. But it doesn't make sense because nobody knows who Justin Baldoni is. Weinstein had power in Hollywood and was able to take advantage of a young Rose McGowan and so many others. Right? And so I was like, it kind of feels like they're trying to replicate that, but the power dynamics are off here. And so it's. There was a dinner that happened in October. Taylor Swift, it seems to be the one that kind of led Blake or like, connected people with the. The New York Times to set this all up. Because then we see from the metadata that's been revealed, the media that was upload that was used in the article was uploaded to the New York Times server in October. So it seems like the New York Times and Blake, like, we're in communication in October putting this all together. She doesn't make her legal filing until December, and then. Then it gets published. In the New York Times. So. And Taylor Swift in their text messages, she even says, I think this bitch knows something is coming. He's starting to pull out his tiny violin. Which was when he came out and got his award and was opening up about being assaulted by a former partner in the past. And so that's when they were like. Oh, well, he's. Wait, Justin said he was assaulted? Yes.

A (35:39)

By a man.

B (35:40)

By a woman. His ex girlfriend. He says that there was some incident where she took advantage. She. I guess he was younger. This was like a long time ago. But he says an ex partner, an ex girlfriend took advantage of him and he opened up about that assault.

A (35:53)

Hold on.

B (35:54)

Yeah. And that's where Taylor still says the little violin.

A (35:56)

Okay, is he saying that he was asleep and the girlfriend came home horny after a girls night and hopped on top of him and he just wanted to.

B (36:07)

I don't know, the specifics is he said he.

A (36:09)

Or it's that he grabbed her phone and her fingernail scratched his face. Which is what a lot of guys then say. Oh, I was assaulted by my.

B (36:19)

Well, no, he said sexually assaulted, so Sexually assaulted.

A (36:21)

So. And by a woman. I mean, that's pretty annoying.

B (36:26)

So.

A (36:26)

I mean, I will say that. Like, come on.

B (36:29)

Listen. I don't know the details of it. I don't know. You know, I. It was my understanding. It's when he.

A (36:36)

I really think someone was like, sexual assault.

B (36:37)

Do you.

A (36:38)

Did you ever see the movie Single White Female?

B (36:40)

I know of it.

A (36:41)

Okay. In Single White Female, Jennifer Jason Lee gets obsessed with Bridget Fonda and their roommates. And Bridget Fonda has this boyfriend. And then she gets back together with them. And Jennifer Jason Lee doesn't like that because then they're gonna move in together and she's gonna be out of this like, fabulous apartment.

B (36:58)

Yeah.

A (36:58)

So she gets real weird and she goes. She changes her hair to look like Jenner. So they. Bridget. So they both have this red. And she wears her clothes and she uses this key. And he shows up. Cause he's like, I just flew in. I'm back at my apartment. And she comes in and takes off her jacket. She's naked with a pair of heels. And she starts blowing him. And he wakes up and he sees the iconic red short hair that he thinks is Bridget Fonda. And then she looks up and it's not. And he's like. And then. But it was too late.

B (37:35)

Yeah.

A (37:35)

And so he ejaculated. And then she's like, I can't wait to tell your girlfriend.

B (37:42)

Yeah.

A (37:42)

That you in my mouth.

B (37:44)

Yeah.

A (37:45)

And so that I would say is an assault. So maybe it was something.

B (37:50)

I don't know. I don't know what wig she was wearing. I don't know the details of it, but I know he had opened up about it.

A (37:55)

And that's the only way you can assault a guy as a woman, in my opinion. If. And you are both of adult age.

B (38:03)

Okay.

A (38:04)

And there's no power thing.

B (38:06)

Yeah.

A (38:06)

Is if they are asleep.

B (38:09)

Yeah.

A (38:09)

And you.

B (38:10)

Or you drug them, I guess. Yeah. You slip something in his drink. You do a Bill Cosby.

A (38:17)

I just heard this other story about this guy who was very. He recovered, but he had, like. They thought he was going to die. And he was, like, in a coma, but he could hear people talking. And his wife at the time was like, I need to jerk him off because I want to have a sperm so that I can have his baby after he dies. And the nurses were like, I don't think we can. I don't think we can allow you to do that. Like, you can't sign off his thing. And she just convinced him. She's like, I'm the wife. Get out. And then also, there were people that were like, well, that could have, like, killed him, too. Like, I don't think he should be like. And he's like. Like, comatose, but he can hear everything. And he knows, like, she's like, like. And other people are, like, around. Okay.

B (39:01)

That's crazy.

A (39:02)

Those things could happen. They are very rare. Okay, so continue.

B (39:06)

Okay, so, yeah, he. He does. He opens up about.

A (39:08)

He made it in, like, a TED speech.

B (39:10)

I think it was like, a. He was getting. He was honored and he was getting, like, an award. And then.

A (39:15)

Yeah.

B (39:15)

Okay, so he's. He gets his award. I think he opens up about that story, and then that's where we see the text messages of Taylor calling him a. And saying he's playing his little violin.

A (39:24)

Now you really putting it all together like a play. Because I. It is confusing, and I think it's confusing. So this is good.

B (39:31)

And when you put the pieces in the timeline and add context to them, like, it does make, you know, more sense, other than someone like a Nick Viall who reads a headline and thinks, you know, blake's run, she's ruling the world. So that happens. And then. And that's in early December. So right before the New York Times article is coming out.

A (39:48)

Okay.

B (39:49)

And so it seems like they'd been working on this piece for a couple of months before she files any legal complaint. Before, like, it's just. It's all super shady.

A (39:57)

And did this article come out December of 24?

B (40:00)

The end of December of 24? Yeah.

A (40:02)

Okay. So this is really only going on a year. Seems like something going on for Ted. Okay, go on.

B (40:06)

Yeah, a little over a year.

A (40:07)

Yeah. Okay, cool.

B (40:07)

Feels like 10. I know. It's never ending. And so then the New York Times article drops, and then at that point, she's still not filed a lawsuit against him. She only filed a complaint in California. And then that's when he decided to sue the New York Times for defamation. And that's when. When she responded by suing him formally with her lawsuit.

A (40:25)

So right now we're just waiting for the judge to tell us if this is gonna happen In March of 26.

B (40:31)

May.

A (40:32)

Oh, May of 26th.

B (40:33)

Pushed May of 26.

A (40:35)

Okay. Wow.

B (40:36)

So I believe they have settlement hearings this month, in February, to discuss potential settlements. And then the judge will make a determination, probably in March, whether or not she has enough to move forward or whether it should be in the hands of the jury. And so if it moves forward, it's happening to me. I think her best case scenario is the judge dismisses it, because I think if she goes before a jury, she's going to get obliterated.

A (41:00)

So now do you think she's even slightly praying for that?

B (41:03)

I think she's. I think her team and her. I think they. Because if she could go.

A (41:07)

Well, we tried.

B (41:08)

We tried. The court system is against.

A (41:10)

Women's voice is silenced.

B (41:12)

Yeah. But we're going to keep fighting for women's safety in the workplace and then.

A (41:15)

Just take a little break and then come out with something good.

B (41:18)

And like, best case scenario, I think if it goes to trial, she's ruined. She's back on the stand. She's not likable. Her evidence is very, very weak, especially now that we have all of her correspondence where she's using the word sexy and she's saying the movie needs to be sexy, and she's improvising scenes. She's saying how much control she has.

A (41:39)

Overset the kiss. At the.

B (41:40)

Her kissing him unprompted. Yeah. At the hospital. So it's like all of that, like, it doesn't look good for her.

A (41:48)

Yeah.

B (41:49)

And. And Taylor heard she's gonna go into hiding.

A (41:52)

Well, I think Taylor, the best. The most exciting thing that happened to her is the Epstein files. Because now everybody that was reading every one of her texts and emails is like, push this aside. I've got 3 million other things I need to do right now. And that is just so overwhelming. This episode of Juicy Scoop is sponsored by Quints. You guys know I love Quince because I love wardrobe staples and Quince has you covered. From 100% organic cotton sweaters to premium denim made with stretch for that all day comfort luxe cotton cashmere blends perfect for the changing seasons. Everything you need for a wardrobe that actually lasts. And you know that Quince works directly with safe ethical factories and cuts out the middle band so you're not paying for the brand markup. Just high quality clothing which really has lasted for years. Some of my cashmere sweaters I think I got like four years ago and they still look and feel great. I also love their simple jewelry that looks great with any outfit but also perfect for a gift. Who doesn't love a cute little gold necklace that just like makes every little outfit look that much more special and put together? Refresh your wardrobe with quince. Go to quince.com juicy for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com juicy to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com juicy this episode of Juicy Scoop is sponsored by Shopify. Starting something new isn't just hard and it's terrifying. So much work goes into this thing that you're not entirely sure will work out and it can be hard to make that leap of faith. Trust me, I know. When I started Juicy Scoop, I didn't know what it was. I just was like, oh, maybe someone will know I'm at this club. Then I realized, wait, this can be an actual business? But how do people know where I am? How would I sell merch? How would I get everyone to realize this is going to go on for 10 years? It helps when you have a partner like Shopify on your side to help. Shopify is great because it helps get the word out you have a marketing team behind you to easily create email and social media campaigns wherever your customers are scrolling or strolling. Also, what if people haven't heard about your brand? Well, Shopify helps you find your customers with easy to run email and social media campaigns. My favorite thing about Shopify is they will help you get started with your own design studio. With hundreds of ready to use templates, Shopify helps you build a beautiful online store that matches your brand style. It's time to turn those what ifs into with Shopify Today. Sign up for your $1 per month trial today at shopify.com juicy. Juicy. Go to shopify.com juicy. That's shopify.com juicy. Well, we are going to get into the Epstein stuff in a minute, but of course, we do have to talk about the good news about Real Housewives. There is nothing that people have missed more than the OGs of New York, which was only highlighted when they said they're going away. Deal with it. Here's your new cast of Jenna Lyons and Bryn Whitman and annoying people. And yeah, all that. And it was just. They weren't bad people. I don't want to say annoying people. They weren't bad. It just wasn't good. It would have been okay if they weren't. Didn't call it the Real Housewives in New York. If they called it 2.0 NYC Housewives of Manhattan.

B (45:43)

Manhattan Girlfriends in Manhattan.

A (45:45)

Something they did.

B (45:46)

Remember Girlfriends. So.

A (45:48)

And then when people would complain about it, you know, at Bravicon, Andy was like, you know what you got there for 13 years? Shut the fuck up. Like, I'm done with you. And so what happened was they were approached to do a show and they. So many of them live in Florida. And I have said over and over again since so many of them live there, which is. Sonia has a place there. Ramona. Jill Luann goes back and forth. Kelly Bessemone lives down there. And yes. So it's those for sure. I think Dorinda is going to be coming back and forth, though she wasn't in, like the press release per se. It's those five. And it's gonna be them living their life in that Boca Raton, Palm beach area or whatever adventures they go on. They can go on other trips, too, but they have this long history and they're doing it. And they are not doing it on Bravo. They are doing it on E. Now, here's where it gets confusing. Everyone's like, well, E is part of NBCUniversal. Peacock. No, it's not. It recently got bought by another company and it's its own thing now. And they are very smart to make this one of their first shows.

B (47:02)

Yeah.

A (47:03)

And, you know, it'll be interesting to see because I. I think it's brilliant because the. There's one thing that everyone in Bravo audience agrees. We fight about a lot of things. It's not diverse enough. I don't like this city. Fire this person. There is one thing that everyone agrees with the OG cast of New York City is TV gold.

B (47:28)

Gold. They're so. I mean, we fell in love with them. And I mean, the Fact that Bravo has not even owned up to the fact that that was an epic level fail of them to scrap those ladies. And they keep trying to shove these new women down our throats. I mean, look at how excited people were at Bravo Con when there were rumors that there was potentially going to be a hybrid cast with some of the OGs and some of the newbies. Like, people are like, oh, well, at least that'll make it watchable again, because they love the OGs. And then Andy went on stage. He's like, no, there's no truth to that.

A (47:57)

Well, there was no truth to it. Well, yes, because this was already in the works and this was already going to happen. And, you know, I do. I'm good friends with Jill and I was thrilled to hear this, that this is actually going to happen. I don't. I don't feel like she's ever gotten, like, the respect she deserves from that network as her friend. And she went and she reached out and got it to go and made it, and I think it'll be really cool. And when I say the audience, wherever people are going to be able to watch e. Whether it's YouTube TV or on other streamers or whatever that aren't Peacock, those fans will subscribe to that because they're not going to miss out on this.

B (48:41)

No.

A (48:42)

And that is where it's brilliant. And I'm kind of excited to see what will happen with E. Network in the future. Like, it's always been, like, on its last leg and when. When Chelsea left it, it was this really negative thing. And I was like, why are we singing goodbye to E. Like, I might want to work on this show again on this network again. Never. I. They never call me for anything else after that. Associated me with that, how rude it was of such a rude goodbye. And, you know, who knows if anyone's even left there from whenever. But this is great. Like, he is about entertainment. These women are entertaining.

B (49:18)

I mean, listen, this is going to bring E. Back to life. I think after Chelsea and then the Kardashians, like, they've been trying to find a way back.

A (49:25)

Like, what is their new thing? And it should be. It should be the best Hollywood nostalgia entertainment fun.

B (49:33)

Yeah.

A (49:34)

It should be fun and juicy. They should stay away from dark shit. It should be. Yeah. They should be doing more like, let's bring favorite shows back with the original cast.

B (49:45)

Yeah.

A (49:45)

Don't recast it like Vanderpump.

B (49:47)

Oh, my God.

A (49:48)

Another total fan that hasn't worked at all.

B (49:51)

That has.

A (49:52)

I literally have turned it on when I've wanted to go to sleep.

B (49:55)

Like, the fact that they keep trying to convince us that it was, like, the breakout show on Bravo of the whole year. I was just like, nobody's watched. And now every time I see this cast doing an interview, they look so stupid. Like, one of them, the one with the long hair, I don't even know their names, where he's just like, oh, you know Sheena, when she used to come into sir, she was so rude. And, you know, that's when they were famous and now were famous and were on the show. And I'm just like, you're. To the five people that watch your show. Like, who are you famous to? Like, the ego of this new cast that just walked in thinking that, like, they're the shit now is wild.

A (50:31)

And then I think these little sound bites of like, oh, who's Katie Malone? Baloney. And just being, like, rude and, like, things like, I don't know if they're doing it because they are like, okay, we got to get some sound bites. We got to get some clout, whatever. You know, it's always so interesting. Like, I just saw. I just saw an interview with Will Arnett on someone's podcast, and he was saying, oh, we had this female comedian on that was up and coming, and she didn't want us to air the episode because she was up and coming and didn't want it on there. And we're like, okay. And that clip goes viral because everyone's like, who is it? And they're all guessing who's the bitchy up and coming comedian. I'm like, I almost feel like, are people just doing that now to get clips? Like, should I just say, oh, Zach, maybe? Can I tell you about the rudest person that I ever had? Come on Juicy Scoop. You know what? I'll tell you after we're done recording. And then I put that clip on there, and then everybody wonders about it, and it's just, like, lazy.

B (51:25)

I see a lot of that, and you're right, it is lazy, but it also doesn't have longevity. You're viral in the second for, like, a minute, and everyone's, like, investing. And then the second there's another one of those people move on to the next story of finding things. But I don't like this new cast. I don't like the way, like, if you're trying to win over the OG Vanderpump fans, then the last thing you want to do is take offense to the OG like, attack the OG Cast. Like, Listen, I was not the biggest fan of Katie Maloney on the show, but even I know, like Katie Maloney is a founding father of Vanderpump Rules. Like, you respect her, especially when she was the person that, you know, gave you this platform to essentially with that entire cast. Deserves that credit. Thank. Gave you guys this platform to be on this flop of a reboot.

A (52:09)

Okay, let's do some predictions. I think, I think that Lisa Vanderpump was probably like, I don't want to give up, sir, but like, come on, it's like so hard in California without these rules and the taxes and the, the rent. And I think she was like, all right, if you want to. Alex Basket. If you want to do one more go at it to revive the restaurant, okay, fine. You know, and then if this doesn't work, I think then which it won't, she probably will. This is my prediction. Give up that restaurant.

B (52:43)

Yeah.

A (52:43)

Continue with her. All her. Her successful stuff in Vegas. In Vegas. And I think there is a wolf in Scottsdale.

B (52:51)

No, it's in Nevada, but it's in Lake Tahoe. Yeah.

A (52:54)

Well, so. And then if she still wants to do a reality show around it to bring eyes on it, make it be that cast, have them be aspire. Have each person be. Be doing this job as the cocktail waitress at whatever the spot is in Paris or whatever. And then they have one be aspiring singer, one being aspiring Cirque du Soleil person, one being like burlesque dancer, one being aspiring like hospitality person that like wants to run the city but is a waiter right now. And they're all friends and we see a whole nother. Because what was cool about Vanderpump in the very beginning is they were real aspiring actors.

B (53:33)

Yeah.

A (53:34)

And that doesn't really exist like the one. It's 20 years ago, so it's like. But something else like that could exist in Vegas.

B (53:41)

Yes. Because everybody in la, nobody wants to be like an actor or a singer anymore. They want to be Instagram famous. They want to build a personal brand. They want to be on Vanderpump Rules. Like they want an opportunity like that. That it's not believable that they're all struggling actors, you know, and they're all too curated. I feel like it's so hard to even good reality TV now because you have. That's what's wrong with the. The new Rooney cast is that like all of these women are so hyper aware and mindful of their personal brand and how they want to be perceived and seen. And that's what made the OG Vanderpump and the OG New York casts so good is they didn't care.

A (54:18)

No glam squad.

B (54:19)

No glam squad. Ramon is on the floor. Luan's falling into the bushes. You know, she's not fighting for them to not release the footage from her arrest. Like she's owning.

A (54:28)

Even if they come back and they do have the glam squad squads, they're still gonna be who they are. They're still gonna be real. They're too old to change in the best possible way.

B (54:38)

Yeah.

A (54:38)

And really excited. Okay, so now the Epstein files. This is so crazy. There are so many elements of it. There's so many things that are popping up. You don't know what necessarily is totally real. The way I understand it is this is like this is made available to everybody. There's emails and then there's also just. We got a call about this weird thing and then like the FBI will like just put it in the file.

B (55:12)

Yeah.

A (55:12)

Which then those things, we don't know if they were ever seen as valid, if they ever found the person that.

B (55:17)

Made the call, their determination. With each tip there is a conclusion. And most of those conclusions, they don't find anything or they find the source to be uncredible or there was no follow up from that source. A lot of that information is also like any random person can hit up the FBI tip line and send in a tip and they can look into it and. Or, you know, find something or not. But you know, I don't think the tip line hits are all that incriminating.

A (55:44)

I mean, it sounds to me that kind of what we thought that some of the most powerful billionaires, from Bill Gates to Prince Andrew to Elon Musk to Deepak Chopra is the latest one I saw are have emails to and from Jeffrey complimenting them wanting to be invited to the next party. You know, this latest one from the New York Post shows that he may have had a secret child because there's an email from Sarah Ferguson, who was married to Prince Andrew, saying, I'm really hurt that like we're not hanging out anymore now that Prince Andrew and I are like divorced. But I did hear you had a baby and congrats. And so a baby boy.

B (56:41)

Oh, wow.

A (56:41)

And we know that he was like obsessed with like you want at one point he wanted to have like 20 babies at the same time. Like that guy actually has done. Yeah, there's people doing that like in China and Russia and stuff with surrogacy. And when he had that New Mexico place. Like there, there's. I mean then you know, there's disturbing stuff about presidents and I mean it's. I don't know, I don't know what's gonna happen with all of this. It's, it's overwhelming. The only person that's happy is Taylor Swift. You know, it's Taylor Swift because her text messages about little tiny, violent, literally Lynn has.

B (57:17)

Nobody cares.

A (57:18)

No one cares about that anymore. She's just like, oh, and I did hear that her sister in lawna B was, was doing an interview and when's the wedding? And you know, she was dancing around it. So I do think a wedding's coming soon.

B (57:32)

Yeah. I think the next time we see. We'll get photos from a wedding and the next time we like really see her, she's either going to be pregnant or have a baby in her hands and that's the only way the public's gonna forgive her. Yeah.

A (57:42)

Or be married. Yeah, yeah. A surprise wedding. Yeah.

B (57:44)

But I mean the Epstein. I feel like so many people wanted to get so many of these files and they wanted to look at it. I mean. And yeah, there's a lot of like I like Harvey Levin's named in and Jay Z's named it and like how in incriminating it is for any of them. I don't know. Are any charges going to be brought forth against any of them? I doubt it. I feel like at this point all the investigations have happened and nothing has materialized with any of these people. Like it's.

A (58:09)

And then sometimes the headline is Whitney from Southern Church is in the Epstein files. And all it was was an email where someone is saying, oh I, I met this guy who is a producer of a reality TV show and I told him about the Russian models that should maybe be in a show.

B (58:29)

Yeah.

A (58:30)

And then he witty's probably like, well how the fuck. Like I'm not writing anybody. I'm not on the island. I'm not. I'm nearly. But it's a name.

B (58:38)

Yeah.

A (58:38)

That then someone can make a headline out of and then.

B (58:41)

Well, because these guys are not, not living on a secret island. Like yes, there's the island. But like they're in these socialite circles. They're interacting with people famous and, and partially famous and on reality TV and in politics. Like they're interacting with these people all the time. The same way. If like anyone went through any of our phones or emails, you'll find all sorts of names. But does that make them complicit in anything or even aware of anything. Like, so many people, you know, are shot. Like Harvey Levin, I'm sure, was like, I did not know my name was going to be brought up in this.

A (59:09)

Yeah.

B (59:09)

And, you know, know, it's just.

A (59:12)

I mean, the Bill and Melinda Gates.

B (59:14)

Thing, that one that. With the STI and the antibiotics.

A (59:17)

So for that, that one is, you know, they got divorced. And she has said in interviews, there's one that's going around from a couple years ago with Gayle King where she said, yes, his relationship, his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein wasn't the only thing that was wrong with our marriage, but it was like the final straw. And I did meet Epstein once and he. She disgusted me just walking the room. I just had, like. She just whatever. The sense. The vibe of evilness. And so now there's an email.

B (59:47)

Yeah.

A (59:48)

Want to explain what you saw?

B (59:50)

Yeah. Where it basically references that Bill Gates needed some antibiotics to give to his wife because of an STI that he had contracted potentially from one of the Russian girls that he had access to via Epstein.

A (60:07)

I had a model on my show from Juicy Crimes a couple months ago, and, you know, it was pretty explosive of what she said. And what she referenced was models that were Eastern European that would come and be told they're going to have this modeling life, and then they're put in a situation, either living at the Epstein townhouse or being at these parties. They get, like, addicted to this lifestyle and maybe even some drugs or whatever. In what she was saying, many of them were not under 18, but obviously trafficked and forced. And now they're not citizens and they don't have their passport. They don't have. So it's like they are now stuck in this situation where they do have to. To comply.

B (61:05)

Yeah.

A (61:06)

With something that, you know, and. And then there's a promise of a modeling gig or this or that or everybody else is doing it and you're like. And then. Or maybe you're embarrassed to go back home. If you could go back home.

B (61:18)

Yeah, it's.

A (61:19)

It's a lot. It's. It's a variety of. But these billionaires we know, they, you know, probably have always frequent to situations where they could have. Have paid sex or whatever. It's where it comes. If. If the. The kids.

B (61:35)

I think people are so hungry to find names that we know. Yeah. And we don't realize it's the money and names that we're not familiar with that are really the ones that are doing some crazy. I mean, and that's why you see people that have, like, Real big wealth. They're not going on reality shows like. Right. A lot of those people want to stay in the shadows and want to remain unknown. And so while there may be more incriminating details in about like those people, we don't know who those people are or care enough. And that's why you know, the headlines are coming out about all these other celebrities. But like I mean celebrities rubbing elbows with people in New York is not all that incriminating.

A (62:10)

Right. I mean taking a photo with, with Harvey Weinstein at the Golden Globes does not mean that you co signed on him being a complete predator or also.

B (62:18)

That you were even aware. Like think of how many people are young and up and coming in Hollywood and they're just told this is a powerful person in Hollywood. And you know, you just happen to be there when getty IM is taking photos and like you don't know all the details.

A (62:31)

Right. But this is the details of who had years and years of correspondence with him. It's one thing to have one like and then you know. But then it called I want to go to the party. Could take me to the wildest party at Epstein's Island. Let me, you know. Or to your island. I want to be invited. That was the Elon one. I heard that Elon was like I don't want to go to the science one because remember he was also thought of himself as a scientist.

B (62:56)

Yeah.

A (62:56)

Even though he never, never even graduated from college. Epstein. But was teaching math at an all girl or a private school in which then one of those parents was like that dad was like you're such a brilliant math teacher to my daughter. Why don't I make you the head of this hedge fund or whatever. And now we see that of course it was what we always thought was that a lot of this was blackmailing to be like, like you better give me $2 million or what went down last weekend is going to be known.

B (63:29)

Yeah.

A (63:30)

And that's how he was getting all this money. And then with the Wexler was his name Wexler the, the fashion guy which I think brings in the models and I mean I think there was a variety of women and, and I'm sure boys too that were abused and trafficked and everything. And some were, were obviously children and some were not.

B (63:54)

Yeah.

A (63:55)

And you know it's. But it seems like as far as solid stuff the only thing we really have is the woman saying what happened to her and now she's passed with Prince Andrew.

B (64:07)

Yeah. That's the worst one that I Feel like I've seen. I mean, aside from like the Gates STI email, which he's come out and. And declined, that that's. He says that that's not real, that that never happened. Happened. But aside from the, The Prince Andrew stuff, like, that's probably the biggest, most prominent name that we have and like solid pieces of the puzzle against.

A (64:29)

Yeah.

B (64:30)

And he's. Yeah. I mean, didn't he get, like, dethroned or they stripped him of his title or whatever?

A (64:36)

Yeah. He does not have the duties or anything. Yeah.

B (64:39)

Him and Megan Markle.

A (64:41)

Right. And. Yeah, so. And then, you know, back then I was like, oh, you know, maybe this is why Megan and. And Harry wanted to get the fuck out of there. But I don. That's the case.

B (64:52)

No.

A (64:54)

But still not good.

B (64:55)

No.

A (64:56)

So, I mean, there's just so much. There's again, I'm just kind of like, weird. Okay, so who else. Does anybody get arrested or we just get to read it all. And then I think we just.

B (65:10)

Because the investigations are done at this.

A (65:12)

Point, like, there's nothing.

B (65:13)

She's. Galain's been put away, Epstein's dead. Like, I, I feel like that's. Now we're just getting access to all the information that the government has and.

A (65:23)

I guess even if, if, Even if Ghislaine tried to say or said, look, I'll give you some. I'll give you some scenarios that happen with these prominent people. Maybe that still isn't enough. Like, as far as, like, evidence and stuff or if somebody said, my friend was, you know, essayed by this prominent person 20 years ago, okay, well, where is your friend? Is. Is that person willing to talk? Do they have evidence where. But they were 13 and they were on drugs when it happened, and now they're still on drug drugs. Like, so then they were like, well, you're not a credible person and we're not going to pursue this whole thing and go after this really powerful person that's also going to have millions and millions of dollars worth of lawyers to fight it.

B (66:06)

Yeah.

A (66:07)

And so I guess they just. We can just do with it what. How we want.

B (66:11)

Yeah.

A (66:12)

I just feel like this is. I feel like in two weeks we're going to be talking about something completely, if that.

B (66:18)

I feel like by the end of this week we're going to be over this story. I feel like all the headlines have come out, like there's not anything new that we're really gonna get. Aside from this name was mentioned in a random email.

A (66:30)

Yeah.

B (66:30)

And I don't think Any charges are gonna be brought as a result of it.

A (66:33)

Well, Kim Kardashian is all over the news. She's actually filming right down the street from us. And so Drake wants to see if Lewis Hamilton might be on set. This. He's. He's a fan of his. He's a F1 driver. And so the first thing. So Drake sees this, and he's like, oh, my God. Like, what's going on? This is my son, Drake. Not the singer. And he goes, you know, when you're a race car driver, you can't be that tall. Doesn't she like really tall guys? And so we started looking up everybody's height that she's dated.

B (67:07)

Yeah.

A (67:08)

And I go, well, first of all, she's not tall, Max.

B (67:10)

No, she's tiny.

A (67:11)

She's probably, honestly barefoot. Five max.

B (67:15)

Yeah, well, because Courtney's 4:9.

A (67:17)

No, Courtney's like, 5:1 or something. But who even knows? And you know what? You do start to shrink when you're over 40, even slightly. So who knows? But Kanye's only five. He's five' nine. The F1 driver, Lewis Hamilton, he's absolutely gorgeous.

B (67:36)

He's very gorgeous.

A (67:37)

He is also English, so you have an English accent. And sparkly eyes with some curled lashes. Chocolate mocha, like a caramel. Like a mocha latte. Deliciousness. And successful in his own right in a field that she knows nothing about, which is also nice.

B (67:58)

How tall is Kanye?

A (67:59)

Kanye was five seven.

B (68:01)

Really?

A (68:02)

Or five eight. Five, seven. Five eight. That's my. He was five eight. He was five' eight. And Ray J was five' seven.

B (68:08)

Oh, so she doesn't like, really?

A (68:10)

And then now Chris Humphries, he was nine.

B (68:13)

That's crazy.

A (68:13)

And Pete Davidson was six three. Okay, so the girl doesn't have a type.

B (68:18)

No, she only likes some tall one. They're white.

A (68:20)

She really doesn't. She really doesn't have a type. But they look good together.

B (68:27)

They do look really good. I mean, here's the thing. If he's even a little tall, like, 4 inches taller, like, that's enough to not be, like, you know, she can wear circles. Like, that's the perfect size for them.

A (68:38)

But he's wearing a turtleneck. And Drake also told me that race car drivers actually have to have thicker necks. They have to, like, work out their neck because it's so, like, with all the moving. But his neck looks perfect. He's. Yeah, I like it. I like it a lot. So Kanye West's apology was. According to this magazine, it was a staff meeting. And a seven. It led to a staff meeting, a seven figured record deal. The whole apology of saying the anti Semitic remarks, the slavery was a choice, all of that. He was in Mexico this weekend performing to a huge like stadium arena kind of situation. And he brought north out, who again is only 12. She had a long blue wig to her like calf and she was going to sing her I'm your bestie, Ms. Westy.

B (69:35)

Your bestie, miss, Ms. Westy came out.

A (69:39)

And he goes, hold on, hold on. She's got the wrong version. And she was lip syncing, but it was the wrong version that she was lip syncing to. She's 12, you know, what do you want?

B (69:51)

You know, but like, what is the wrong version? There's only five words.

A (69:54)

I don't know, but like, you know, and then someone's like, oh my God, you know, Blue Ivy would never. Blue Ivy heavy dances around and you know, Beyonce's done. You know, it's like the con. Kim also said she is homeschooled.

B (70:06)

Yeah.

A (70:07)

And yeah, I can see probably she was like, this is. Why am I in school? I don't, I don't need to learn this stuff. So she, you know, Kim has all these teachers come in and she learns how to, to build her own brand. She's doing music, she does this, she does that. I don't know, it's kind of interesting. You know, she has a different life. There's no way she can really. I think it's kind of sad that she's not in school. I mean, but maybe she doesn't want to. But like I, I think if my child was, I know, going to be famous the rest of their life and do this thing, I would want them to be personally. But you know, everyone's life is different in a regular school environment to just to have that experience.

B (70:52)

I thought that was kind of a priority for them too, was making sure the kids had as normal of an upbring as possible.

A (70:59)

Whenever you talk to like adults that were child actors.

B (71:02)

Yeah.

A (71:02)

They always are sad that they couldn't go back to their regular school. Essentially. They're working all the time too. They're on this Hulu show. They're doing these other things. Like it's kind of a bummer that. But you know, that's. She's an old soul. I don't know.

B (71:19)

Yeah, I mean, well, I'm sure, I'm sure she's going to pursue music as she gets older.

A (71:23)

Yeah.

B (71:23)

But she seems driven and ambitious to want to be in it. Whereas a lot of the other kid, like a Janette McCie was like, My mom made me do this. Like, it's.

A (71:31)

Yeah, it does seem like it's like her own thing and maybe that's why Kim is just like. Yeah, she's, you know, really her own person and, you know, so it's all good. So Karen Huger, who had got out of prison for her fourth DUI second crash, she got a new nose.

B (71:52)

I don't know how all these ladies keep getting plastic surgery in prison, but I think it.

A (71:57)

She got it right after she came out of prison. Has it been in prison? Yeah.

B (72:04)

Like Teresa Giudice came out with like.

A (72:06)

A facelift right when she came back.

B (72:08)

No, her. For when she walked into the house to see her kids for the first time. She was like a whole new person. But you know what?

A (72:16)

But I feel like maybe that. But maybe sometimes if you've been away for a year and you're just like.

B (72:23)

Working out with that prison glow.

A (72:24)

Yeah, you're just like, yeah, you're working out. You're just like not drinking for a year. That can give your face like a lift.

B (72:30)

That's true.

A (72:31)

I mean, so she probably, you know, obviously wasn't drinking for a year, but it was like she always had a very distinct kind of long, a very attractive, longer nose. And so I'm not, I'm not shocked. She finally went for it. And it's like, why do people want to get plastic surgery out of prison? Because I think you want something to look forward to.

B (72:50)

Yeah.

A (72:50)

I remember Heidi Flight Face from the famed Madam. She got a full facelift and you know, lips done and everything the moment she came out. And I'm like, yeah, like, you just want something. You want to. We want a fresh start.

B (73:06)

It's a fresh start.

A (73:06)

Yeah, you want your face when you were drinking, getting DUIs and going to prison. And then you want your post prison pretty face.

B (73:13)

Yeah, it's. It's smart. I mean, she got her. It looks like fresh filler. Like she looks good. She looks good.

A (73:19)

Why not?

B (73:20)

You know, I did watch a bit of her interview and she was really good about how like Andy's like. Some people say that you shouldn't come back to the show. Like some fans don't think you deserve it. And she's like.

A (73:28)

So she did a one on one with Andy. Yeah, okay.

B (73:31)

And he was like.

A (73:32)

Or on much what happens Separate.

B (73:34)

He went to the home, to her home and filmed it there.

A (73:36)

Okay.

B (73:37)

And I thought that she did a really good job of saying I don't deserve A second chance. Like, a second chance is earned. I had have to prove to you guys that I'm deserving of any chances. She's like, I'm just grateful for everything that Bravo gave me before. And she obviously, you know, acknowledges that she didn't appreciate it enough. She says that she's an alcoholic. She's gonna work on that. But, like, she's like, I have no expectations of coming back to the show. Like, I don't, you know.

A (74:00)

Oh, really?

B (74:01)

Well, I mean, more of, like. I guess she meant it more in the sense of, like, she's not expecting them to just give her a rollback on the show. She's like, I have to work on myself. And I. You know, I don't expect to be given a second chance, but I hope that I can earn, you know, everyone's forgiveness and respect again. She's like, but I have to do the work in order to prove that, which I thought was good. Like, she really took accountability, you know.

A (74:23)

And they follow her and everything. Now, what I'm excited about before we get into this latest thing that you did about Catholic school kids. So you went on tour last summer, and you made your own documentary of the experience, and that's coming out soon. And I kind of want to ask you, you went on tour with your show, so it was like, live Zach no Filter podcast show. And what made you think to do this and how did you do it? How did you get, like, a crew to follow you around and kind of watch this moment? And what made you decide, you know what? I want to document this?

B (75:02)

Well, the. To. There's always so many fun behind. I mean, as you know, when you do shows, like, when you're hanging out with everybody backstage, like, there's. So I always like to have other creators on stage with me in each of the different cities. I just. Just. I'd like to share the stage with other people. And I just think it's more fun for the audience members to see multiple favorite creators that, you know, maybe they see collaborate on each other's shows, but, like, don't always get to see together in person. And so I was like, there's so many crazy, wild things I've done two other tours prior. And I was like, it'll just be fun if we film these experiences. I was like, listen, I told. I had my. My production guy, Marco, who's been working with me for the last almost 10 years, maybe like eight years now. And I was like, are you willing to come on the road with us and just film Everything I go, we'll see if we use any of it or not. At the end. At the end, like, we could scrap it. It could be totally boring. But, like, let's just invest in filming everything. Maybe we'll make some fun social media clips. Like, we'll see. And he came, and we filmed at every single city. And luckily, as we were, the second we landed at the first show in Dallas is when Blake Lively served the subpoenas on all the career creators. And so there were multiple creators that were in different cities that we were going to that were all getting subpoenaed along the way. So we got to film all of the behind the scenes of that subpoena drama as everybody's getting served as we're trying to figure out, are these real? Is this her trying to shut down the conversation? And then people going and fighting that in court and trying to file motions to quash. And so that whole drama with Blake Lively was unfolding all throughout that summer as we were on tour and filming everything. So it just was serendipitous that we happened to have cameras rolling. And so, yeah, you get to see a lot of, like, the fun interactions. You see the legal drama, you see the creator drama that unfolds along the way as well. So we filmed everything, and it's. It's fun. It's exciting. I'm excited to release it now.

A (76:57)

That is great. And then also, I. You know, I loved this because I came across you just kind of, like, going off on your videos and stuff about only Catholic kids will understand and people who went to Catholic school. The first one that caught my eye was the CCD kids.

B (77:18)

Yes.

A (77:19)

Now, what made you just think to talk about this?

B (77:22)

So what? It was because I had some. Oh, the Rosetta Stone.

A (77:28)

Well, I don't remember the Rosetta. All I know about Rosetta Stone is as an app to help you learn the language.

B (77:32)

That was my understanding, too. And then somebody, one of my neighbors I went to lunch with, and they were talking about wanting to learn another language, and I was like, oh, oh. Or is that a stone? And they're like, no, now it's Duolingo. And I was like, oh, okay. I was like. And someone else at the table was like, like, the stone. And I was like, what do you mean, the stone? And they're like, yeah, in school, I learned about the Rosetta Stone. And I was like, I just know it as the app, the language app. And then I looked it up, and I was like, oh, there's like, a whole stone that has, like, different hieroglyphic languages to, like, translate things. And that's where the Rosetta Stone app or program came from. And I didn't know that. So I talked to. I went on Instagram. I was like, did. I didn't. I feel stupid? I didn't know about the Rosetta of Stone. And then I was. So many people were like, what an idiot. You're so dumb. And I was like, I didn't know what this was. I was like, I went to Catholic school. Like, we learned more about. I know about the tomb that Jesus came out of. I know about so many things about Jesus. And I started referencing things, and I was like, listen, in school, like, we didn't. We weren't taught those things. And then that's when other people in the comments started talking about, like, oh, yeah, I remember Stations of the Cross, Ash Wednesday. And then. Then. And I forgot how CCD kids came. I think it was like, it was this. Com. It was. Oh, it was like one of the comments where somebody was talking about it, and they were like, yeah, and the CCD kids would always steal our pencils. And I was like, that's right. I go, we don't know who. Or I said, that's what we know is that CCD kids, they were just.

A (78:53)

Like, the bad kids for people that know. So. So when you're in the Catholic school, you get the religion as part. It was a whole separate grade.

B (79:00)

Yeah.

A (79:00)

So you learn about everything while you're in school school. But if you're not going to private Catholic school and you're going to the elementary school nearby, the church would say, we will do a program where your kids can come and learn, like, once a week about it at the school. Where did you grow up again?

B (79:18)

I grew up in east la. I'm from the hood.

A (79:20)

So you were, like, saying that. They said, what were the teachers saying and stuff about tonight? The. The CCD kids are coming to the class.

B (79:28)

It was so normal at the time, but they were like, okay, so we're gonna make sure you turn your. Your desks around so they can't open them. They had lockers that our teachers would lock up all of our stuff. Because the reality was we would go to school, and then the CCD kids would come at night. And I described them as like the children of the corn. We didn't see them. We didn't know anything about them. We just knew that when we came to school the next morning, they terrorized the classroom. Their names would be tagged on our desk. They would Break our pencils. They would rearrange our markers. They would steal stuff from our desks. And so we never knew who these kids were, but our teachers just taught us that they were bad kids that came at night and, like, came to also learn about, you know, Jesus. And we're like, it just. It didn't make sense. Just. And I was. They were really just like, again, the children of the corn. And so I feel like we were raised. And you probably remember, like, it was like the Catholic school kids versus the CCD kids, the catechism kids. And, like, they were beefing, but we never really knew what the beef was.

A (80:22)

Also, it was like this whole thing, like. Like, almost like, you should. First of all, you should pray for the public school kids that don't do ccd. And then you should feel kind of sad for the CCD kids because they can't afford to go to school, Catholic school. So it was like, you know, like, be nice about it. But, yeah, I do remember all that. And it's just, like, such funny. I've talked a lot about my Catholic school education, like, wrote it in my books and stuff. And, you know, my favorite thing was the Mary, the May. The May procession. So in May, they do this thing where we do all. And it's always a beautiful day because it's Southern California. And we would do a rosary all the way around the school. It ends up in the church. And as an eighth grader, someone got to be Mary and, like, wear the blue dress. And they'd be like, okay, everybody vote for who you think it should be. And normally it would be the girl that was popular but also leaned on the holy side. Yeah, right. Well, that year I was like, listen, you got guys. Vote for yourself, because, you know, it's. Oh, it's going to go to this person. Like, we have no chance. At least if we vote for ourselves, we'll get to be like, the bridesmaids. Like, there were some. A couple girls that got to be, like, up there and be, like, extra. So anyway, that year, the teacher was like, I've never seen it so spread out. And, like, literally, Mary got two votes. Like, one girl just goes, I couldn't do it. I go, I told you to vote for yourself. And she's like, I did. I. I'm the only one that I voted for Marla, too. So, like, Marla gets it. Who really was very religious and into the rel. She should be. She should. About.

B (81:58)

And.

A (81:58)

But I was always like, God damn it. You know, and always. And they always automatically Picked a brunette because we saw Mary as brunette. And I was like, this is. So then when my son was there, they're like, yeah, well, now we, we do a Jesus. And I go, what? And they're like, they did a Jesus. And like, Jesus had to like basically be shirtless. And I, I go, this is crazy. So a 13 year old boy is also being voted on, like, who has the best abs to like walk through and act like Jesus before he's gonna get nailed to the cross.

B (82:36)

We had our. Jesus had to wash our feet because, you know, Jesus washes the feet of the disciples. Like we had to do. I was like, what in the nickelodeon is going on here? But like, we had to. I remember we had to carry Jesus. We were like 11 years old. And I remember our teacher came up with the idea to have Jesus walk on our arm. Arms.

A (82:54)

So some guy got to be. Was he like the captain of the football team?

B (82:57)

He got to be Jesus. And then Sabrina was always Mary. But so we, I remember she had us. We were locked arm in arm like this, and we had to hold our arms out so that Jesus could walk on our arms. Like he's walking up the stairs to heaven or something. And I remember I. I was like a fat kid. I was chubby, I had no muscle tone. And I was like, I can't do this. Like, what is. What. Why are we carrying another kid on our arms? It was crazy. But I always say, like, Catholic school taught me that, like, the more shame and the more guilt, like the more Jesus loved you, so the more oppression that you felt in your heart, like the more suffering, the closer you were to Jesus.

A (83:36)

Right? Oh my God, it's so funny. And I love that you did all those videos, but now that you did it, I saw a whole bunch more pop in.

B (83:43)

Yeah, now a lot of people are talking about Catholic and CCD kids and. But it's fun. I didn't know that that was a thing. Like, I didn't know people do stations of the crowd. Like, I just thought that was my school. I just thought CCD was something we. I didn't know until so many people in the comments were like, I remember that. I remember Blessing of the Animals.

A (84:00)

I remember those. Remember when you would. When someone would faint at Friday mass because of the benediction and then they would just be back in school. Like, nobody. No one thought that was because there's always a couple kids that when they did the benediction, which was not all the time, but it was this weird smoky thing that happened. And some kids legit fate. And then they were just like, she's fine. She'll be back in class. Like it's fine.

B (84:23)

Yeah, she's been dramatic.

A (84:25)

Yeah, it's, it's, you know, up there with the challenger blowing up, which is before your time. But I just, I'll, Yeah, that's so crazy that, and then people go that, that's why we are the way we are. Anyway, Zach, you're always so great. Thanks for coming on. Your Instagram is just plain Zach. Your tik tok is Zach Zach Peter. And your show is no filter. And when they, which is go to your, your documentary will be on your YouTube.

B (84:54)

So February 15th.

A (84:55)

And that's just under your name too. Or.

B (84:57)

Yeah, Zach Peter.

A (84:58)

Okay. And so exciting. And thank you for always bringing the scoop and you're so fun. Thank you.