Podcast Summary

Podcast: Julian Dorey Podcast

Host: Julian Dorey
Guest: Kurt Metzger
Episode: #348 - Kurt Metzger on Mind-Reading Headphones, Charlie Kirk & DC’s Missing “Osiris”
Date: October 24, 2025

Overview

In this wide-ranging and unpredictable episode, comedian and commentator Kurt Metzger joins Julian Dorey for a marathon conversation that careens through conspiracy lore, culture war flashpoints, government operations, mind control programs, technocracy, the dark history of entertainment, and current geopolitical intrigue. The episode’s overarching theme is the exposure of hidden programming and manipulation—whether through historical government projects like MKUltra and Monarch, mind-shaping media, or emerging technological tools like mind-reading headphones. Woven throughout is a thread of irreverence and skepticism toward authority, the news, and official narratives.

Key Topics & Highlights

1. Mind Control: From MKUltra to Monarch (00:00–21:10; 62:53–68:23)

• Metzger’s interest in “Monarch” programming: The discussion kicks off with Metzger referencing the infamous MKUltra program and its less-discussed offshoot, Monarch—now officially acknowledged in declassified NSA archives (17:03).
• “Human nature is not good or bad, it’s programmability.” (A, 00:32 & 52:01) Metzger stresses how belief, perception, and even memory are highly malleable through culture, authority, trauma, and repetition.
• Revelations about documented mind control: Julian reads from recent articles on the NSA/CIA’s actual experiments in mind control, underlining how credible these programs are in government history (17:59).
• The “chosen ones” phenomenon: Monarch targeted multi-generational abuse survivors (“chosen ones,” e.g., celebrities like Britney, Kanye), employing trauma for memory partitioning and control (29:11–31:10, 128:22).
• Soft versions of mass programming: Metaphors extend to everything from SSRIs, prescription drug ads, mask mandates, and social media as forms of conditioning.
• Notable quote:
  “Mind control sounds crazy, but it’s not. Once you notice, you can’t unsee it.” (A, 00:00, 62:59, 52:01)

2. The Culture of Child Stardom, Hollywood, and Abusive Power (02:06–08:48)

• Brooke Shields as a symbol: Metzger discusses 1970s-80s media’s sexualization/exploitation of child actors (e.g., exposing articles about a 12-year-old Shields, family complicity) (03:05–05:06).
• Hollywood’s generational cycle: The recurring pattern of “stage mom” exploitation from Judy Garland to Britney Spears, as well as analogies to contemporary fame (06:26–08:39).
• Virginal branding of celebrities: The push from media to define, control, and sell the sexuality of young female stars (07:52–08:52).

3. How Society Forgets: The News Cycle and “Feeling Fatigue” (35:24–39:06; 61:00–62:53)

• The public’s short memory is repeatedly critiqued regarding elite scandals, e.g., Jeffrey Epstein: “People just move on to the next. I don’t know what the fuck everyone is doing. I never got over being told not to do your own research.” (A, 35:49; also 62:53)
• Epstein and the news black hole: The group discusses how damning stories are sanitized and forgotten in mere days, by design (92:57–93:09).

4. The Perils and Power of Psyops, Soft Power, and Social Engineering (54:17–62:53; 98:00–104:35)

• Connecting the dots:
  • The same logic behind government black ops, social engineering, and entertainment marketing.
  • Beatles, Taylor Swift, and K-pop as “natural” phenomena—then studied, replicated, and weaponized for mass manipulation.
• Mind-reading headphones and predictive ads (80:05–84:55): Metzger and Dorey get into WEF’s early showcases of “brain data surveillance,” which are becoming real. “So you see, they did the plan while you were talking.” (A, 85:22)

5. SSRIs, Pharmaceuticals, and Public Health as Control

• The normalization of psychotropic medication is dissected, including mention of bizarre lawsuits (e.g., French man’s sexual compulsions) and pharma’s role in mass shootings (24:50–26:58).
• “School shooter pills”—pills as a means of emotional flattening, societal control, and suppression of critical instinct (24:49–25:57). “First of all, why would they be advertising prescription medication on TV?” (A, 27:22)

6. Government Atrocities and Public Apathy

• Discussion of admitted incidents like St. Louis cadmium spraying and Tuskegee experiment, and why people persist in trusting institutions afterward (33:55–35:24; 57:11–58:27).
• “If you knew a person that did all this shit, you wouldn’t just trust them. But people just do. That’s the mind control part.” (A, 35:06)

7. Deep State, Secret Societies, and Who’s Really in Charge? (68:23–70:05; 117:15–122:45)

• Reference to Tragedy & Hope, Cecil Rhodes, and the evolutionary goals of Anglo-American power (“Rhodes Scholarships, concentration camps, British Empire as soft power”) (69:59–72:18).
• Skull & Bones, Illuminati as “brands” for networking/taking over institutions (119:32–120:48). “There’s eight classifications above [the president’s] level.” (A, 93:32) “The brands don’t mean anything. You just try to get into fraternal groups like a virus and take them over.” (A, 120:48)

8. False Dichotomies and Manufactured Divisions (67:52–68:03; 164:26)

• Metzger lampoons left/right binary politics and the way identities are constructed to channel dissent (67:52–68:23; 164:26). “My gender is a spectrum, but my politics are either/or—how did that happen?” (A, 68:02)

9. Tech Dystopia: Surveillance, AI, and Social Media

• Paranoid humor about Alexa, AI reading minds, and phones knowing our thoughts and intentions “before we do” (80:05–86:12). “Yo, have you had it read your mind yet? I didn’t even… but a lot of people have had that happen.” (A, 80:22)
• Google, ChatGPT, AI search as censors of crucial knowledge (“Google AI will not tell you nothing”). (89:04–89:10)

10. Psychedelia, Drug Testing, and Super Soldiers

• Tales of military super-soldier programs, chemical mind alteration—“imagine peaking on a Benadryl trip for two weeks straight; that’s what Jacob’s Ladder was about” (A, 101:09–102:06).
• Recurring theme of traumatizing/fragmenting children to control: “So, in Monarch, they want generationally traumatized people who could dissociate” (29:26).

11. Celebrities, Cults, and Memory Holes (49:26–50:12; 93:02–93:09)

• Taylor Swift Amnesia Syndrome: “Some attendees report memory gaps about the concert. That feels a little MKUltra to me.” (00:20, 49:26)
• “Everything you love is a psyop”—the model is set when genuine culture becomes a template for manipulation (103:29–103:52).

12. Epstein Case, Israel, and Intelligence

• Lewis Black’s story about visiting Epstein, seeing Israeli Defense Ministry diagrams, and the clear intelligence connection (123:08–142:00). *Julian: “It is so obvious who he worked for, and the fact that people then are like, ‘Oh, we just can’t talk…’ Like, what the fuck, dude?” (B, 125:56)
• “The Defense Ministry of Israel was just here, and we were drawing up some plays.”* (B, 124:21)

Notable Quotes

• “Mind control sounds crazy, but it’s not. Once you notice, you can’t unsee it.” (A, 00:00; 62:59)
• “Human nature is not good or bad, it’s programmability.” (A, 00:32; 52:01)
• “People just move on to the next. I never got over being told not to do your own research.” (A, 35:49)
• “Every awful thing you could imagine is what I think about that fucker H.W. Bush.” (A, 118:41)
• Julian: “Where do you get news from? Honestly?” (B, 61:00) Kurt: “Who. Do you know anybody that thinks like they get news?” (A, 61:01)
• “So, the ultimate secret of the 33rd degree... A hole is a hole.” (A, 134:19)
• “There's eight classifications above [the president's] level.” (A, 93:32)

Essential Timestamps & Segments

| Timestamp | Key Topic | |-----------|-----------| | 00:00–02:00 | Monarch/MKUltra and mind control in media/culture | | 03:05–05:05 | Child exploitation in media/Brooke Shields | | 17:03–17:47 | NSA archives confirm Monarch's reality | | 24:49–26:57 | Lawsuit over SSRIs and pharma influence | | 29:11–31:10 | Monarch’s “chosen ones”, dissociation, celebrity programming | | 35:24–35:49 | Why do people still trust government after atrocities? | | 54:17–62:53 | Petraeus meets ISIS/Al Qaeda head; government “rebranding” of enemy | | 68:23–70:04 | Anglo-American elite power structure (“Tragedy & Hope”) | | 80:05–85:22 | WEF mind-reading headphones, brain-data future | | 93:02–93:09 | Epstein news cycle memory hole | | 119:32–120:48 | Illuminati, Skull & Bones, Ciroc as declining “brands” | | 164:26–166:06 | Division, control, and manufactured consent | | 172:25–172:45 | Finale on “crazy” conspiracy ideas and humor |

Memorable Moments

• Live-Reacting to WEF’s “Brain Surveillance” Project: The pair pull up a 2018 WEF presentation on “brain transparency and productivity monitoring,” react in real time, and joke about the coming surveillance state (80:47–85:22).
• Petraeus Interview with ISIS/Al Qaeda Leader: Metzger walks through a surreal clip where U.S. General Petraeus interviews an ex-Al Qaeda/ISIS leader, highlighting the hypocrisy and confusion in war narratives (54:17–56:13).
• Debate on Taylor Swift, K-pop, and Manufactured Fandom: Ridicule of celebrity “amnesia syndrome” and the seamless blending of psyop/marketing with entertainment spectacle (49:26–50:25).
• Comedy’s Relationship to Truth: Metzger repeatedly leans into dark humor to expose truth, suggesting that comedians are often the first to spot what’s wrong in society—if they’re willing to look.
• The CIA, Cartels, and Venezuela: Revisiting U.S. regime change, propaganda, and the hidden forces driving modern conflicts (43:01–47:44).

Tone & Style

• The episode is fast, irreverent, and darkly funny, with frequent asides, tangents, and “meta” commentary. Metzger uses crass language and biting satire to undercut serious topics, while Dorey keeps pace, prompting the conversation with clarifying questions or personal observations. Conspiracy theory is less a literal belief than a lens for seeing patterns in history, power, and culture.

Concluding Sentiment

The conversation ultimately lands on a note of weary cynicism and encouragement to question authority:

“You don’t have to do shit except maybe don’t be a liar. If you know something’s involved in something bad, why would you just be cool with that?” (A, 37:37)

Both Julian and Kurt stress:

• The need for memory, skepticism, and independent research.
• That real change is unlikely, but seeing through manipulation is its own small victory.
• And, critically, “The more you notice, the less you can ever unsee.” (A, recurring)

Quick Reference:

• Mind control exists—now technologically enabled.
• Society is programmed through media, pharma, and culture.
• History’s darkest institutions remain embedded in today’s elite circles.
• Public attention and outrage are engineered…and fleeting.
• All the official storylines—political or pop cultural—hide far more than they reveal.