#375 - Julian EXPLODES: CIA-backed Cartels, Paid Sell-Outs, China & Direct Energy Weapons | Jorge Ventura

Summary

Podcast Summary: Julian Dorey Podcast #375

Julian EXPLODES: CIA-backed Cartels, Paid Sell-Outs, China & Direct Energy Weapons | Jorge Ventura
Date: January 19, 2026
Host: Julian Dorey
Guest: Jorge Ventura (Independent Investigative Journalist)

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Episode Overview

In this intense and wide-ranging conversation, Julian Dorey is joined by returning guest Jorge Ventura—now an independent journalist—to dissect recent seismic events in geopolitics, media, and American society. They cover the CIA-backed regime change in Venezuela, America's ongoing entanglement with Mexican cartels, the hidden hand of China in US drug flows, the infiltration of paid propaganda across social media, and the mounting threats of civil unrest at home.

The pair repeatedly stress the importance of independent, empathy-driven, on-the-ground reporting and call out the corruption, groupthink, and self-interest pervading both mainstream and independent media. In classic “JDP” fashion, the episode is filled with unfiltered analysis, rapid-fire news breakdowns, and candid moments wrestling with the future of journalism and democracy.

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Key Themes and Discussion Points

1. The New Era: Going Independent (02:06–05:00)

• Ventura celebrates his departure from corporate news:

  • Shares excitement about launching “Ventura Reports” on YouTube.
  • “Media's changing...I kind of wanted to return back to my fill like that—unraw filter, on that ground reporting, super powerful.” (02:16)
  • “I'm one of the very few reporters where I got independents that follow me, I got Republicans...I got Democrats...So just excited for this new era, man.” (02:16)

• Dorey praises Ventura's dynamic range:

  • Emphasizes Jorge’s specialty reporting on border, South America, and cartels, but also commends his global reach and lack of editorial spin.

2. Ground Realities in Venezuela—Regime Change & CIA Involvement (04:55–14:53)

• Ventura details South Florida’s Venezuelan exile response:

  • Emotional stories of families, such as UFC fighter Alberto Montes, longing for reunification after years of dictatorship.
  • Ongoing fear, surveillance, and lack of celebration for those still in Venezuela.

• US Involvement in toppling Maduro:

  • Dorey strongly condemns Maduro as a dictator: “No disrespect, there's no like, pro-Maduro argument that is sound. Okay? The guy's a scumbag, he's a dictator, he's a communist.” (07:30)
  • Deep dive into whether America should (or can) ethically back regime change in foreign countries.
  • Ventura says the CIA was “on the ground in Venezuela as of April...infiltrated the inner circle.” (12:06)
  • Trump’s public praise of new interim President Delcy Rodriguez read and analyzed (11:19–12:01).
  • Speculation Rodriguez will “play ball” with the US/CIA as long as she remains president.

“CIA hit the ground in Venezuela in April...The only reason we know from April is because the CIA leaked it to the media.” (12:06 – Ventura)

• US motives—resources vs. justice:
  • Dorey calls out how drug interdiction narratives are often a fig leaf for oil-driven intervention:
    “They're sitting on the biggest oil reserves in the history of the world...That's one thing I'll say about Trump, he was like, 'You know, they got a lot of oil.' At least he's being honest after the fact.” (16:06)

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3. The Cartel Playbook, US Policy & Manufactured Enemies (16:35–23:19)

• Rubio’s Foreign Policy Mastermind Role:

  • The “Marco Rubio playbook” includes manufacturing the “Cartel De Los Soles” narrative to facilitate regime change powers without Congressional approval.
  • DOJ quietly removed the “cartel” designation from Maduro’s indictment after admitting it was essentially a propaganda invention. (18:13–20:45)
  • Dorey breaks down the quiet legal realignment: “Apparently Cartel de Los Soles isn't a real organization at all. It's a slang term...as if someone tried Trump for leading Trump world as a criminal organization.” (19:23)

• Escalation: Mexico, Cuba, Nicaragua as Next Regime-Change Targets

  • US pressuring Mexico to allow CIA operations and prepping for growing conflict with major Mexican cartels.
  • Nicaragua (due to its Russia/China ties) and Cuba also discussed as future focal points in US foreign policy chess.

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4. CIA, Cartels, and the Opacity of American Interests (26:53–29:21)

• The CIA and Cartel Nexus:
  • The show references prior guests who openly describe working with the CIA inside the cartels and US banks laundering cartel money.
  • “They're making this very, very morally treacherous trade off. They basically said, 'Okay, this exists...if we got people in there undercover...we can get intel on them and use them that way.'” (26:53 – Dorey)

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5. Misinformation, Social Media Propaganda, and Paid Influencers (84:17–100:56)

• Infiltration of the Influencer Class:

  • Ventura exposes paid trips and propaganda, singling out conservative influencer Rob Smith’s paid “praise report” for Qatar:

    “This guy went to Qatar, bro. Did the whole, 'Oh, Qatar is a great country,' and stuff. And people were like roasting. It's like, dude, you're a gay black guy. They would like throw you off a roof.” (85:38 – Ventura)

  • Both hosts call out "independent journalists" who lie about their allegiances while taking foreign government checks or Pentagon access.

• Israel, China, Qatar and the “Ski Slope” of Selling Out:

  • Dorey is blistering:

    “If I'm going to sit here and rip Rachel Maddow for calling herself a journalist, how am I not gonna rip people like this just because they're in the independent side… I would love to be a fly on the wall the day that the slippery slope becomes a ski slope and they decide to jump over the cliff like this, right?” (91:15 – Dorey)

  • Condemnation for “influencers” visiting Gaza, Israel, etc., for cash and posting staged “food pallets” pictures (“doing propaganda with a smile” – 96:29).

  • Both agree: “If you like it so much, go move there.” (94:51 – Dorey)

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6. Civil Unrest at Home, Pendulum Swings, and the ICE Raids (48:56–67:57)

• Recent shooting of Renee Nicole Good in Minneapolis and ICE/CBP issues:
  • Ventura breaks down rapid response, agents’ backgrounds, media leak of a cell phone video, and how both sides immediately formed totalizing narratives.
  • Anxiety about mass influx of new undertrained, ideologically extreme agents:

    “These aren’t guys, like, 'Hey man, my whole life I just wanted to be a police officer...' These guys are like rejects in other parts of society. Criminal record. They're getting rushed through training.” (54:14 – Ventura)

  • Public unrest in Minneapolis escalating into something reminiscent of 2020, with protestors breaking into vehicles and stealing ICE documents and FBI rifles.

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7. The Death Spiral of Political Optics and Media Integrity (72:25–83:26)

• Discussion on how “optics” and not substance drive support and outrage—across Democrat and Republican bases—and the dangers for independent media after being perceived as kingmakers (i.e., the “Podcast Bros” platforming Trump).
• Dorey: “If I were they, whoever they is...and I saw that a certain industry, an upstart industry like independent media, had an enormous effect on who the fucking President of the United States was...I would destroy it from the inside.” (80:37)
• Ventura explains why he never votes, upholding objectivity as a working journalist:

  “If I'm really going to be like the independent guy, hold both sides accountable—you can't vote. So I'm 30, never voted, never donated to any political party...” (83:26)

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8. China’s Expanding Influence, Immigration, and Cartel Partnerships (137:01–166:08)

• Chinese-Mexican cartel collaboration:

  • Flooding of Chinese illegal immigrants via Mexico, surging in 2023 via Ecuador–Darien Gap–Cancún–Tijuana.
  • Massive increase in Chinese-run illegal marijuana grows (Oklahoma, Northern California, Maine).
  • Exploitation of porous US border and money laundering via US banks.
  • Dorey: “Apparently Cartel de Los Soles isn't a real organization at all. It's...as if someone tried Trump for leading Trump world as a criminal organization.” (19:23)

• Fentanyl still coming via ports of entry, often with help from compromised US agents:

  “90% of the fentanyl is still coming in through the port of entry...the number one is that they're just bribing the U.S. border patrol.” (157:50 – Ventura)

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9. Future Threats: Direct Energy Weapons, CIA Tactics & What’s Next (172:56–179:15)

• Discussion on new “sonic”/Havana Syndrome weapons apparently used in Venezuela; speculation about their deployment in Mexico against cartels.
• Dorey shares graphic aftermath images of Venezuela hit:

  “I can't show this on the screen for obvious reasons, but I do not think that's B.S. Take a look...That's from the immediate aftermath.” (173:22)

• Ventura describes US HSI/ICE joint operations with Mexican military inside Sinaloa as a major escalation—“I've never seen” (170:08).
• Looming possibilities of full-scale US military or CIA operations in Mexico, and the uncertain effect this could have on migration/asylum policies.

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10. The Human Factor: Empathy, Journalism & American Spirit (107:42–116:03)

• Ventura’s on-the-ground approach in tragedies like the Kerrville, Texas flooding—emphasizing respect for victims and real storytelling over sensationalism.
  • “I just wanted to treat those families with respect, telling their stories.” (110:24 – Ventura)
• Dorey and Ventura both highlight the overlooked resilience and unity of Americans in times of real crisis, and the ongoing need for journalism with heart and fairness.

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Notable Quotes

• Dorey on paid influencers and propaganda:

  "If you like it so much, go move there." (94:51)
  "We have righteously shredded the mainstream media left-wing journalism machine... If I'm gonna sit here and rip Rachel Maddow... how am I not gonna rip people like this just because they're in the independent side?" (91:20)

• Ventura on CIA’s Venezuela regime change:

  "CIA hit the ground in Venezuela in April... The only reason we know from April is because the CIA leaked it to the media." (12:06)

• Dorey on cartel narratives:

  "Apparently Cartel de Los Soles isn't a real organization at all. It's... as if someone tried Trump for leading Trump world as a criminal organization." (19:23)

• Ventura on why he doesn’t vote:

  "If I'm really going to be like the independent guy, hold both sides accountable—you can't vote. So I'm 30, never voted, never donated to any political party..." (83:26)

• Dorey on media and civil unrest:

  "The pendulum shifts that we still not only subject ourselves to in society, but we make worse than ever when all the answers are there in front of us to show us why that's a bad idea." (64:12)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 02:06 — Ventura: Going independent, new era in journalism
• 04:55 — Venezuela: Exile stories, regime change, CIA’s role
• 11:19 — Trump’s message to interim President Dely Rodriguez
• 16:35 — Manufacturing cartel narratives, regime change legalities
• 23:19 — U.S. foreign focus turns to Nicaragua, Mexico, Cuba
• 26:53 — CIA-cartel ties & laundering, on-the-record admissions
• 48:56 — ICE shooting in Minneapolis, media optics, civil unrest
• 84:17 — Selling journalism: “Independent” influencers for sale
• 107:42 — On-the-ground coverage: Kerrville flood, empathy in reporting
• 137:01 — China’s role: Cartels, illegal immigration, drug trade
• 157:50 — Fentanyl at the border: U.S. corruption, port bribery
• 172:56 — Sonic/direct energy weapons, CIA escalation in Mexico
• 174:46 — Iran: Potential regime change, global implications

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Memorable/Must-Hear Moments

• [07:30] — Dorey: “There's no like, pro-Maduro argument that is sound. The guy's a scumbag. He's a dictator. He's a communist.”
• [12:06] — Ventura confirms CIA’s recent ground presence in Venezuela.
• [19:23] — Dorey details how the Cartel de los Soles narrative was quietly removed from official indictments, exposing invented rationale for intervention.
• [54:14] — Ventura highlights underqualified ICE/CBP recruits: “These aren't guys...who just wanted to be a police officer...These guys are like rejects in other parts of society.”
• [64:12] — Dorey: “The pendulum shifts that we still not only subject ourselves to in society, but we make worse than ever...”
• [107:42] — Ventura’s moving recount of personal experience reporting at the Kerrville floods.
• [172:56] — Both discuss “sonic weapons” and new direct energy tactics used in regime change.

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Tone and Language

True to the podcast’s tone, the conversation is passionate, unfiltered, and laced with pointed humor. Both Dorey and Ventura oscillate between sharp investigative journalism and personal candor—frequently punctuated by “dude,” “come on,” “bro,” and “fuck” for emphasis. The mutual respect and frustration with the status quo are palpable throughout.

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In Conclusion

This marathon conversation offers an uncommonly candid behind-the-scenes look at the new front lines: not just in geopolitics and border conflicts, but in the information war for truth and public trust. Both host and guest urge vigilance against propaganda—regardless of its political source—while championing a journalism defined by empathy, independence, and the unvarnished pursuit of the facts.

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Episode highlight:

“People are not their governments. And so I always separate the people from what their governments are doing.” (98:13 – Dorey)

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Hopefully the audience, bros. We got some Thor the Pounders watching. But how you been, bro? It feels so good to be back, dude.

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It is great to have you back. It's great to have Jorge Ventura 2.0 back. Jorge Ventura on his own now as well. What's the move here, bro? We left News Nation.

[B]

Yeah. So finally, man, fully independent. Yeah. Last time I was on, I was technically national correspondent with News Nation. Before that Daily Caller, so been always kind of in that media game. From the Daily Caller, RAW Digital to broadcast tv. But this is the first time in my life, man, I'm going fully independent. Just launched the YouTube channel, Ventura reports. I'm going to be posting about a week or two, the very first video. And I'm just super excited, man. I'm, you know, I'm 30 years old. Media's changing, as you know, man, and I kind of wanted to return back to my fill like that. That unraw filter on that ground reporting, super powerful. I think if you follow my work, you know, we always try to tell the story through the video. So you're not getting my spin, you're not getting my commentary. And I think people really enjoy that storytelling. And, you know, I'm proud of him. And I'm like one of the very few reporters where I got independents that follow me, I got Republicans that follow me, I got Democrats that follow me, I got people who maybe just started to get into politics that follow me. So just excited for. For this, this new era, man.

[A]

Well, I'm excited for you. I'm also. We, you know, we had a chance to talk off camera this morning and really go through what your mindset was with this. But I'm, I'm really excited. You just made the jump, too, and said it. There's. You said it, not me. And I'm glad you did because it's 100, right? There is never a right time to do the right thing. And this has always been the right thing for you, obviously. I'm really glad News Nation put you on as well. I'm dealt with. The guys over there, they're great. But for what you do, you are meant to be on your own because you are what I call like a dynamic range journalist. You do everything. Yes. You certainly have an unbelievable specialty in South America and the cartels and obviously what's happening at the border because, you know, you speak the language as well, you understand it, but you cover stories.

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All over the world.

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You cover stories that are completely different from that side of things. And I think now we. What you'll find is that the freedom just to be able to go after the things you want to without the, no disrespect, but like, the corporate of, like, can I go do this one now? You can just go do it. It's going to be great, man.

[B]

Yeah, I'm ready to just be, you know, Running Gun. And I think that's what the audience wants. The audience could read through it too, man. They know when you're kind of being like a Fake TV journalist and not telling the full story. And we're. I mean, dude, the new year just started and we just have like, an endless of stories that just kind of really hit out the box. Bang, bang, bang. So excited to get back on the ground, man. And just. We're was in South Florida for a few days. We were interviewing a bunch of Venezuelans. Arthur Maduro was a. So that was kind of exciting to kind of hear from them.

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What were they saying?

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The, The. The interesting thing for them, and it's. Is particularly for Venezuelan community, is interesting because the Trump administration is really targeting them for the deportation operation. They're. They're already announcing they want to terminate tps. So in the midst of that, it's kind of been a kind of this weird time for South Florida because, like, they're very super conservative out out there. Very. People could say, based online is how they would describe them. You know, you got folks that escape, like, communism from Cuba and, and Venezuela. So they have a unique perspective. But everyone that we spoke to in Venezuela, I mean, in South Florida who are Venezuelans were like, ecstatic. I mean, some people even started almost having, like, tears in their eyes, crying. I was actually got to spend some time with the UFC fighter, name is Alberto Montes. He's from Venezuela. Just actually won Dana White's Contender series last year. So he's about to have his debut in the, in the UFC. But, like, one thing that he told me, he's 31 right now, like, he hasn't seen his mom since he was like, 22 years old. So he left Caracas, literally 22, with like, I mean, he has like 1% chance, obviously, to make it in the UFC and in the US and he basically promised his mom, like, mom, I'm going to make it. I'm going to get you out of here. Literally moves to South Florida. I mean, he. And he makes it. And so when I talk to him, and it's like the first time maybe in the decade that he has like this small glimmer hope that he can maybe see his mom again. You know, we'll. We'll see if it gets to that moment. There's still so much uncertainty in Venezuela right now. Delcey Rodriguez, who was a VP under Maduro, is. Is now the president with Cabello. So there's still. The regime is still there. So one thing that he even mentioned to me was his parents still can't celebrate. They can't be out on the streets. They're muttering all their text messages, so they could be basically thrown in jail at any time. He says his mom was like, kind of like a super critical of the Maduro regime, so she was kind of targeted. So a lot of people, I think, like, for me, man, it's important to tell that story because, like, those Latino stories don't normally get broadcasted on tv. And what you will, will get is the white liberal who was like super upset with a Starbucks coffee in their hand that like Maduro got kidnapped and that's illegal. And like, at the end of the day, you could feel, you know, we could have their different opinions, but you always want to get like just the raw story from like actual Venezuelans.

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Yes.

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On the ground. So I thought Alberto's story was like, just super powerful. And the interesting thing is we, we interviewed a bunch of Cubans.

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Don't talk over the mic, if you don't mind. Just like, keep it in front of you.

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And I interviewed a bunch of Cubans and like, Cubans also are like, identify with the Venezuelan struggle. So for a long time, I think for Cubans now also feel like they have a little bit of hope of something happening over there. So just interesting kind of, kind of time and kind of talking to the people in South Florida.

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Yeah, I don't. One thing I don't want to get lost in this, that I feel like after I had in Daniel DiMartino, literally, like the night of, like, yeah, in the morning. We recorded the night of put out the podcast on Monday, which I really appreciate Daniel doing that. You know, there were people immediately forming sides on this thing. And I think some people misunderstood. Like how I want to look at this, which is there's, there's two completely separate issues before you even quote, unquote, pick a side, which I don't even think you should do yet. But that's another point. It's like there's Venezuela and then there's the US's involvement in Venezuela. To me, no disrespect, there's no like, pro Maduro argument that is sound. Okay. The guy's a scumbag. He's a dictator, he's a communist. They've lived under that regime for 25 years. When you go back to Chavez, and like, I am very happy for the opportunity that the Venezuelan people may now have from this. We gotta see how it plays out. But like, if you ask me just like, without any details on how it would happen, like, hey, on Friday, Maduro's gonna be there on Saturday, it's not, it's is this good or bad? I'd be like, yeah, it's good. Like, gives the people a shot to reopen their economy. The issue is the argument here instead is should America get involved in regime change of a foreign country, even if we know the leadership is evil versus letting the people slowly rise up is difficult? That's very difficult to do. I don't want to make that sound easy, but letting the people slowly rise up and do it themselves, which they had not been able to do yet, you know? So to me, I don't know what your thoughts are here, but, like, I'm not going to have an opinion on whether or not we should have done this in all likelihood for a very long time, because I got to see all the third and fourth order effects play out.

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We also don't know if Dele Rodriguez is going to be worse than Rules with an Iron Fist. I don't know this for sure, but it does seem like Dely Rodriguez was working with the United States CIA and Alcio Maduro because CIA was on the ground in Venezuela as of April and then infiltrated the inner circle. And for Del, for Dely, it did seem like she knew about the operation, obviously on camera. She's going to play very tough to her Venezuelan supporters and say, Maduro is the only president. He was kidnapped. We demand his return. But Delta Rodriguez has been gunning to be the president of Venezuela for years. I mean, she's very savvy. She's a lawyer. She works the system very well with her brother Jorge Rodriguez. So she might actually be a more savvy Maduro. What's interesting is, like today on True Social, Trump put out a thing like, hey, I just had a great call with Del C. Everything's gonna go great. We're gonna work great on investment. So it looks like she's not going anywhere. And then the funny, kind of funny little angle to this, then you have Maria Machado, who was gunning for that position, but because she took the Nobel Priest Prize and didn't, like, not accept it and give it to Trump, Trump is like being super petty and what just is not giving her any time of the day. I know she's gonna go up to Washington. I mean, I don't know what she thinks she's gonna accomplish with Trump, but it doesn't seem at this moment, man, that Delta Rodriguez is going anywhere. I'm with you. Where. Let's wait another year. How this plays out anytime. We kind of have these moments. If you kind of just look at the news history of it, it's always super popular when a President does this. It's like a little rally around the flag. But then in six months it could be a lot, a lot worse. You know like Libya was popular when we over a lot of these.

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Cuz that's right.

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Right. So let's wait for the, for the full story. But I just kind of wanted to get, get a pulse on how Americans were feeling. I think like one of the, one of the, the kind of best parts of this story was that would really kind of like put the nail on the head or nail in the coffin from Adora was kept dancing and, and trolling Trump and that just irked Trump and Marco Rubio and they're like all right, we're coming out. He kept doing the whole no war.

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No peace, doing the John Lennon. Yeah. Imagine all the people right there.

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Yep.

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So we got. This is from Donald Trump today. This morning I had a very good call with the interim president of Venezuela, Dely Rodriguez. We are making tremendous progress as we help Venezuela stabilize and recover. Many topics were discussed including oil, minerals trade and of course national security. This partnership between the United States of America and Venezuela will be a spectacular one for all. Venezuela will soon be great and prosperous again, perhaps more so than ever before.

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Now to me, Julian, that's that, that true social post sounds like, sounds like Delta Rodriguez cooperated with the CIA and and and is willing to work with the United States. She probably knows her own circles, probably already infiltrated by the CIA and she's gonna, she's gonna play ball as long as she could be President.

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That's what I was gonna ask you. You said that you had heard they.

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No, it's confirmed. CIA hit the ground in Venezuela in April and.

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All right. My only question of that would be they weren't there a long time before.

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No. Yeah, yeah.

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The only reason, the only reason we know from. Because of April is because the CIA like leaked it to, to the media. When I was with News Nation I started to. I was covering the military buildup. So kind of like the whole Amarada that's set up in the Caribbean and I kept kind of reporting like that Maduro with this military buildup, he should be fighting like an out. He should have been like with China or Russia, he should have reached some type of agreement. I mean I don't know how it looks like where he could have found some type of exile or asylum in either Russia or China.

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Yeah.

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As soon as he saw that military buildup, he should already knew his. His days were numbered. I was speaking with some folks in D.C. like before, before the New year, we thought like in the first six months Maduro was going to be ousted. I didn't think like in the, literally the first week of January, but once he saw that military build up, like what do you think Trump was going to, you think Trump was. All those bullets were just going to sell away. All those Marines were going to go. I mean, Pete Hexa was flying to Puerto Rico speaking to Marines. They're posting on social media. Wasn't a secret. And Hexa was telling the Marines this is real world. This is not a training.

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And so, I mean, Maduro had, like, a warning and he should have been out of there.

[A]

But, yeah, I had the great political philosopher Kurt Metzger in here back in October, and he, he was like, oh, yeah, we're going to war with Venezuela and look like he was 100. Right. But to your point, they were, they were, they were making the, the armaments known for a while. And my, My issue that I don't like that is annoying to me, is how they went out of their way for months and months and months to market it as a drug thing. I know Venezuela is moving drugs like some bad forces. They're removing drugs. I know some of those drugs are ending up in America. Compared to Mexico, we're talking about three baggies in a eight ball.

[B]

Right?

[A]

All right. They're sitting on the biggest oil reserves in the history of the world. Just, you know, and that's one thing I'll say about Trump since the, since the actual invasion, he was like, you know, they got a lot of oil. Like, at least he's being honest after the fact. I will give him that. But, you know, that whole, like, oh, look, we blew up another Venezuelan drug boat. Yeah, what about the fucking 75 drug boats that just landed in San Diego for Tijuana? Like, are we blowing them up, too? Aren't they a terrorist organization?

[B]

They kind of also fabricate. I know, Joey, we could pull it up. They fabricated the whole carto to the Carto de los Solas. Like the DOJ has basically, like, oh, yeah, that wasn't really like a cartel. It was more of a. About the culture of the government. So Carto de los Solas was completely made up. And I remember when I started when.

[A]

You know, to people who aren't familiar.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, so. So about a year ago, the Trump administration, this is all just so folks know. This is really the Marco Rubio playbook. I mean, obviously, Trump's the president, he's the face. But Marco Rubio can't convince Trump to invade Venezuela just to invade and get oil. So Marco has to basically convince Trump to hit Venezuela from another way. And the way they could do that is the drugs and Maduro's trafficking narco terrorists and all that. I'm not saying Maduro, he probably knew some shady things. Were going on. But he's not the head of this Cartel de los Olas and he's like an El Chapo character. But what they kind of did is they fabricated. They kind of made up Cartel de los Sold. So it sounds sexy. And then the other kind of key is in by declaring Cartel Solos a foreign terrorist organization. So by doing that when I'm speaking with DC insiders, it gives Trump the ability to bypass Congress and then just attack them, bro, like the same way if they were targeting Al Qaeda, the same way that you look at like who Don Hussein is is basically where Maduro is at. So they fabricated that declared a foreign terrorist organization. So then they could start doing the bombing and then they could start start putting the pieces to essentially capture Maduro. They put a $50 million bounty on his head, hoping that like someone in his inner circle would probably start to reveal his whereabouts, which the CIA probably started to crack. And all of a sudden, bro, now that he's getting charged, it's literally like completely made up. Like, and the DOJ is telling you that.

[A]

Can you actually. So deep just pulled some up and I'll read this, but deep also. This was quiet. I was texting our mutual friend Brian Enten about this because he was at the courthouse covering those hearings. The DOJ very quietly removed the cartel organization part of the indictment. And just, and I forget, maybe we can find the language deep, but it basically said like, oh, yeah, he was just around some stuff like legally it makes no sense. It's like a jury is going to be like, so you don't have evidence. See there. Trump's dog. DOJ quietly changes crucial detail and charges against Maduro. Let's go down here. All right. The New York Times reported Monday that. The failing. New York Times reported Monday that the new indictment of Maduro and others on charges related to drug trafficking omitted a crucial element of original charges. The criminal organization that Maduro supposedly ran, Cartel de los Solis. The original indictment filed against Maduro in March 2020 in the southern district of New York described the Cartel de los Soles as drug trafficking organization comprised of high ranking officials that operated between 99 and 2020. This was, by the way, they did this like two weeks into Covid.

[B]

Oh, that's right.

[A]

Very interesting. But the. Under the leadership of Maduro, Moros and others, the Cartel de los Soles sought not only to enrich its members and enhance their power, but also to flourish. Flood the United States with cocaine, the indictment said. And a lot of clubs in New York thanked them for that apparently. But apparently Cartel de Los Soles isn't a real organization at all. It's a slang term invented by the Venezuelan media to describe corruption. According to the Times, the supposed cartel's inclusion in the original indictment would be as if someone tried Trump for leading Trump world as a criminal organization. So the new indictment. This is what I want to get to. Because this is beyond like whatever the New York Times is trying to take away from it. The new indictment, the original indictment mentions the cartel 32 times, while the new one only mentions it twice, this time describing Cartel de Los Solis as a patronage system run by those at the top. The new indictment adds to the original by including additional charges of narco terrorism, conspiracy to import cocaine and gun charges, as well as charges against Maduro's wife for allegedly accepting bribes to broker trafficking meetings. There was a tweet. I hope someone in the comments maybe can find it and link it. It's because you can't search for it, thief. Because it was like a. It was a screenshot, so I can't give you something to search. But it actually had the language from the indictment where it then showed what the new language is. And it's gibberish.

[B]

It describes like a culture of the. Of the government. But yeah, yeah, that right there, ladies and gentlemen, is the 101 Marco Rubio playbook executed perfectly. Marco Rubio right now is. They have now their eyes on Nicaraguan, Cuba. Mexico is on the list. I don't know if we can find the report today, Joy, but I know that it said it was reported today. U.S. is pressuring Mexico to allow special commander CIA operations in Mexico. They're U.S. started flying CIA drones as of last year.

[A]

As of last year?

[B]

As of last year. We know in the public because that's what they're leaking. But in my kind of prediction, we'll see US troops on the ground in the end of this year in Mexico in some type of capacity. Might not look GI Joe and they're flying down kind of what we saw in Maduro might look a little bit different because I think the cart, the Sinaloa cartel and, And Cartel Jalisa, I think they pose a lot different challenges.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

For the United States government. So could it look like drone bombings? Could it. You know, I could, I could see a situation where, like, they bombed Sinaloa, a couple of these cartel spots. Trump goes on TV and says, don't worry about it no more. But I think Shine bomb right now is getting put in a real, real bad corner because the Thing is, you're not just dealing with Trump, you're dealing with like I want people to really know is Marco Rubio, no matter what you think of him as a statesman, is a genius. He, right now, I mean he got negotiatings with Israel, Ukraine, Russia. He just ran a successful Venezuela operation. He's got Cuba on his radar. Nicaragua's next. They're pressuring Shine, Bob, like Marco Rubio is flooding the zone and gunning. And if I'm Marco Rubio personally, I go up to JD Vance. I have a meeting with JD because JD's running in 2020 no matter what. TPUSA is already back in JD Vance. We, we know that that's not nothing new. But if I'm Marco Rubio, if I'm Marco Rubio personally, I go up to jd, go say, hey jd, great vp, but I just ran a successful Venezuela operation. I'm the man basically in the White House. I'm Trump's basically number two. I'm Secretary of State, I'm closing the major, real major deals. If I go to go to JD and go in 2028, I'm going to run for President and you be my vp. Now if you don't want to be my VP and you're going to run, then I'm running against you and we're going to have a MAGA civil war. But I'm not going to be your number two. If I'm Marco Rubio, I'm not waiting. Also, Republicans are tanking right now with the Hispanic mo. Maybe with Marco Rubio on the ticket, you can say it, but if I'm Marco, I'm telling J.D. i'm running, dude. And if you want to go up against me, let's, let's have at it. But I, you know, that's, that's what I think Marco Rubio is really gunning. I think people, people normally just see the news and they just see Trump. They don't, they don't know that Rubio is the mastermind of, on these foreign policy.

[A]

He's definitely been a mastermind behind the scenes on what they're doing. And like I said, you have to look at things objectively. You know, we're going to see what the third and fourth and tenth and fortieth and hundredth order effects are here and how this plays out to make a judgment on it. The earliest part on the scorecard, if you want to call it the opening drive with a touchdown is a perfect drive. I mean they executed a mission where none of their guys were killed. They did not kill any civilians on the ground. I saw some of the images of what they did. I'll show you that afterwards. And it's like, it's extremely well done. They got their man. They got. They got out. But there's a lot of time before that cycle, and there are a lot of things that could happen. And maybe, you know, world peace occurs, regimes naturally fall, hopefully with no US Involvement and like that, where the people get to make their own decisions on things. And, you know, you kind of see the May flowers after the April showers that we've been living through or something like that. That is a possibility. There's another possibility that this is just a first quarter shot in the Pan and Appalachian states making a little run at Ohio State, and suddenly they're on upset alert, and then bang, Ohio State just drops fucking six touchdowns on them and the game's over by the end of the second quarter. That could happen here. It's possible. So I got to see it play out. But you, like, when you're talking about, you mentioned in there that they got their eyes on Cuba. We know that. We've heard that. But I want to talk about that. But before we do, you also said, like, Nicaragua, what's, what's the thought process there?

[B]

So they, they've always had Nicaragua in their eyesight. Nicaragua is right now with the Ortega regime. It's, it's. I mean, it's as communist really as you get. They're. I mean, if you're a reporter in Nicaragua, like, if you. You basically can't even report anything critical, they just kind of throw you in jail. They throw in, you know, any political prisoners. I think right now they ban the Bible from entering Nicaragua, which, I mean, they're a Catholic country. I'm Salvadoran. They're like our neighbors. And we're, you know, Salvador is like a completely different country compared to Nicaragua.

[A]

We'll talk about.

[B]

But, but, but they're. Nicaragua also is going to be crucial for the United States, obviously, because how close they are, but because Nicaragua's relationship with Russia and China. One big thing with the US Is when it comes to dealing with these foreign countries is they want these countries, when it comes to deals is to recognize Taiwan as a country. It plays a big role in their fight against China. And when you have these Central American countries that don't, I mean, even. Even though El Salvador is an ally, the United States, El Salvador does not recognize Taiwan as a country. They align with China. Nicaragua aligns with China and Russia. So Marco Ruba has always had this fixation on Nicaragua and throwing out that, that communist government. Obviously they want to put in a president with American interests to make it easier for them to either trade or block off Russia or Chinese. And Marco Rio has been, I mean for decades. You could find quotes on him, just obsessed with Cuba. I mean he's Cuban, he's from south Florida and just overthrowing the government there. I just don't know how it looks like. I think right now, I mean from, just from reading this report, it does seems like the, the priority is going to be, I think Mexico, they're going to just corner shine bomb and just flood the zone on her. And I think like whether she allows it or not, I mean CIA is already flying drones but we're going to see some type of, you know, U. S presence. I mean they already ran that covert mission when they captured Ohio. I mean United States. That, that to me is still one of the most fascinating stories that Mexico had no idea.

[A]

What do you, what do you, what do you think happened there?

[B]

I, I, I think once again it's, it's CIA was involved. CIA went in there, maybe, maybe made some deals with the, with the inner workings of Sean bomb's administration and was like look, you guys look other way, we're gonna come in smooth.

[A]

And you know, here's the thing I cannot get out of my head. Whenever we talk about the cartels as a terrorist organization and the United States government potentially attacking them and who would be involved in that and it's not the fact that Mexico is a trading partner in our neighbors in a large GDP country. That's not what I can't get out of my head. What I can't get out of my head is the fact that the letter C I N A always come up in some sort of effort to combat the narco terrorism that's going on as, as they've labeled it and everything, I would agree with them. I think that is exactly what it is. When in fact I know the CIA has used the cartels as a vessel to operate their missions around the world. Now let me be clear how I say this. And I say I know that because I've had a guy sitting right there who did it for them professionally complete non official cover named Matthew hedger from episode 275 and 290. But like it's not like I'll give the CIA this, it's not like they sit there and go we love the cartels, we love every single thing they do. That's not what they're Saying, but they're making this very, very morally treacherous trade off. And they made it decades ago where they basically said, okay, this exists. It's this other country has a big problem. Yes, it's starting to drag over to ours. But like they have a lot of connections around the world. So if we got people in there undercover to just help them operate, because it's already going to happen anyway when they go to make these trips around the world with these other connections, we can get intel on them and use them that way. And that's how they use them. So when I have Matthew Hedger here, I think we recorded on like March 6, 2025, I'm recording with Ed Calderon, March 13, 2020, 2025, a week later. And Ed, but he doesn't know Matt was there. Ed brings up, he's like, are we going to talk about the CIA flipping top 10 banks in the US and top 10 bankers at those banks to launder money for the cartels? And I'm like holding the goosebumps. I'm like, I'm like, Ed, it's funny you say that. I had the guy sitting there last week who not only did that, but told the story on that same microphone. And Ed was unfazed because this is how we know the businesses. So when I see the CIA getting involved, putting their man on the ground in April or whatever, and suddenly boom, Venezuela's gone and taken care of allegedly in like eight months, whatever it is. And then I'm like, but we did. Mexico's been the problem for decades with their cartels and we've been there, but we're not doing anything. What really is the game here?

[B]

That's, that's. Dude, that's perfect, bro. Yeah. And the thing is we only know what's funny about these reports. So Julian is like, this is the CIA leaking to the New York Times. So it's like, why do they want Mexico and these world leaders to know, I mean that, you know, it's a whole nother game is, is, is being played. But it's does see Mexico's next on that radar. We'll see what happens with Venezuelans and TPS if like Trump is going to deport him to a Dely Rodriguez regime. That probably looks at a lot of these Venezuelans that fled the United States as now enemies of the state could be imprisoned. There's just going to be so much elements kind of play. And who knows, maybe this was, this, this came right now to take the, the headlines off other stories for the Trump administration. One One of the key details that I thought was super interesting was that this operation was supposed to happen on Christmas day day. Christmas night.

[A]

They had a documentary to put out the next day. They couldn't do it then. Yeah, you could.

[B]

Yeah, we had to wait for that.

[A]

We had to. We had to make sure all the fraud was covered.

[B]

All the fraud was covered.

[A]

Then the Epstein files. What. What was that?

[B]

How many people. Hey, how many people were arrested on the Somali Friday?

[A]

Yeah, we'll wait.

[B]

We'll wait on those arrest, but I guess. Yeah, so it was supposed to happen Christmas night. They did air strikes on Nigeria that pushed it back. So now you got the Nigeria angle too of like per Christians being persecuted. I think that's total BS really. Oh, not saying.

[A]

They're not talking to me about it. I don't know a ton about.

[B]

So, so right. Right now there's like terror groups in Nigeria that are persecuted Christians to the level that we know. I don't think any American really knows. I think if any American journal try to tell you it is happening or it's not, I don't think they know. And they're full of maybe like the truth's in the middle, bro. Like you. Maybe it's happening, but maybe not genocide. Who? You know, we, we don't really know.

[A]

But it's just half a genocide.

[B]

But it's, it's, it's. I mean, this is happening all over. I mean, Christians are being pers Gaza, but we don't. We didn't care about the Gaza angle.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But all of a sudden, Nigeria, there's maybe things at play here. Oil now, now the administration wants to bomb Nigeria, which I think is interesting that that did happen. I went to go cover as a, as a reporter and to, you know, make make contacts. Now I'm independent. I went to TPUSA fest. What I found interesting there was that one of the speakers happened to be Nicki Minaj, who is Nigerian, who was like, if you go on Nicki Minaj's Twitter and I don't know if we could do it right now and just type in Nigeria. She has so many tweets of like Christians being persecuted, yada yada. Her husband is like, I think about to get some charges. So Nicki Minaj's husband might need a pardon. And all of a sudden, all of a sudden Erica Kirk invites Nicki Minaj on the state at TPUSA to speak about this. To basically get the young gen Z conservatives on board with regime change in Nigeria. If that's what the Trump administration wants to do. There's just a lot of weird little, you know, you know, connections. So here it is. Look at this, Julian. Nicki mina. Yep. I'm 100% agree with Max. She's clearly being reused. She knows she's playing the game too.

[A]

Nicki Min. This is from Max Blumenthal. Took some shots. Daniel DiMartino when he was in here, and you see those two in the studio. I'm staying out of it. I'm staying out of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Nicki Minaj, who was obviously recruited by rich Trump cronies, pushes interventionist propaganda as US Military surveillance flights begin over Nigeria. It seems clear Trump Inc. It seems clear Trump Inc. Is stirring the phony narrative to get at Nigeria's vast oil reserve. How much oil does Nigeria.

[B]

We're gonna do. We're gonna do that. So let me tell you this, Joe. Do you think Nikki's being invited because she's a great role model for conservative women and conservative values and that she believes the same thing? Kirk. Or she's being now used by higher powers on the right for regime change in Nigeria. So I think your audience, you could.

[A]

Take some notes from. You know, you take some notes from that physique. I am saying, you know? You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's not for nothing. Not for nothing, but, yeah, I want to know. Thief. Can we pull up her husband? Yeah. This is interesting. I didn't know this one. Oh, dude. Yeah. You learn something new every day. Yeah, he's not looking good.

[B]

Yeah. So if you know, if your wife or husband is in trouble, folks, get close to the Trump admin. Get that pardon, and you're good to go.

[A]

Get on the Erica Kirk grief tour.

[B]

All right, that's this guy.

[A]

The latest updates were just getting canceled today. The latest. I've noticed everything we're talking about. We've. We've pissed off everyone, and we're about a half hour in. There's no one we haven't pissed off yet. I love podcasts like this. I'm sorry, Deep. Can I read the headline? Sorry, I cut myself. The latest updates in the SA case against Nicki Minaj's husband. Okay, so you can go down right there. Perfect. Kenneth Perry, the disgraced husband of rap star Nicki Minaj, remains on supervised probation for failing to register as an S offender in California. Additionally, Petty is embroiled in an ongoing civil lawsuit from a woman who. Who he allegedly essayed in 1994 when they were both 16. Minaj was at one point also named in the Lawsuit over claims of harassment, intimidation and emotional distress stemming from online harassment from fans and allegedly pursuing the defendant to drop the case. Minaj was voluntarily removed from the lawsuit by the defendant in 2022. Wow.

[B]

So what. What part of what you just read what represents conservative TPSA values in that?

[A]

Nothing's like, oh, technically everything.

[B]

So. So there you go, Julian. So. And that's. Dude, that's Nigeria. I mean, obviously that's easy. That's an easy one for us to forget because it's not Cuban. Nicaragua, obviously. Mexico, our neighbors. That's in the news every day. But don't forget about Nigeria, too. Folks like, they might. They might have a role in. In the regime changes.

[A]

My guy, Ali Tabrizi, you ever hear of him? He did the documentary Seaspiracy on Netflix.

[B]

Do you remember? Oh, I gotta watch it. No, it sounds super.

[A]

Yeah, that was back in 2019, I want to say, so. Amazing documentary that went through. Just, I mean, stuff that I knew nothing about as far as, like, some horrible things that are happening within, like the seafood industry and. And fishing and stuff around the world. Amazing stuff. But Ally lives out in Australia, and we've been working endlessly to try to get him here, but he. And I struggle so much because he's in the worst possible time zone of Australia. So the only times I can call him are, like, right after the gym in the morning or, like, late at night, and I never remember in the morning. And then at night it's like when I'm falling asleep, I'm like, fuck, but we'll make it happen. He has. I'm curious to talk to him, though, because he has been covering the Christian genocide in Nigeria for a long time. I mean, we're talking the last, like, three years trying to get attention to some of this. Does that mean he's right about everything? I don't know. And your guess is as good as mine. But I, you know, I get tight. Whenever you start seeing sudden American bombings in a lot of countries around the world, I ain't even gonna slightly defend, like, the Hillary Clintons and George Bushes of the world, but, like, you would see bombs drop always in places with Al Qaeda. Right now in Nigeria, to be fair, it's like Al Shabaab and these terrorist groups that are tied to ISIS that they're doing it. But, like, you don't have that in Venezuela. I don't think you have that much in Nicaragua, if we start to see that. So what I'm saying is, when I start seeing this, like, everywhere and then we're just casually throwing around the term regime change. It's like if it were as simple as no one knew who did the regime change and you have objectively bad guy and you can get him out, by all means, go ahead. But people will know like, oh, the US did that. And then how can that be used for propaganda down the line when some things don't go right.

[B]

Oh my God, dude, it's on the point. And then, I mean we're not, we haven't even got to Iran yet and now. But no, I think, I think you hit the nail head. Look, and for your friend, I'm not saying that, that Christians are being persecuted in Nigeria. It's just, it's always interesting that United States all of a sudden cares about Nigeria when we literally were bombing Christians in Gaza non stop. And then if you said that you cared about those kids, they called you, called you a Hamas, Hamas sympathizer on Fox News. It's, it's crazy. So just, you know, watch a lot of things at play and I think I spoke to you off Cam Julian, even before the Trump 2.0 banning was already kind of making the rounds with media and said, hey, when this administration comes in, they are going to flood the zone. We're going to hit you with executive orders left and right. We're just going to hit them everywhere where we're going to have the mainstream media scrambling and they can't stay on one story because we're just hitting them. So we got Iran, Nigeria, all many things at play. We got the Taiwan and the chips and China and the Red Sea and now we got Mexico and pressure shine bombs. So they're flooding the zone and you're seeing it, bro, the mainstream media scrambling. And then it doesn't help when we kind of got look, for those who don't know, I covered all of those 2020 rights, civil rights. I was there in every city.

[A]

Yeah, we did. So we, you and I did episode 229 back in August 2024 where you told that whole story and everything. That episode kind of went crazy with a lot of clips and stuff. But if people want to hear all the context there, there was like an.

[B]

Hour went through of that and in a. And we're seeing kind of the same, like I said, they're flooding the zone on all the, all the geopolitical stuff, but then they're also flooding the zone inside the US and then it doesn't help when you have this kind of the ice shooting in Minneapolis. It's kind of brewing that 2020 feeling again, where that public angst and that tension is rising. And I, you know, just for me covering the news and being on the ground, it just feels like, man, we're almost, at least domestically, we're one event away from that. From that big civil unrest and those clashes and all of a sudden, all the news, bro, you turn on the news for. If you're just an American Normie, you just turn on the news. You're just getting Minneapolis headlines. You forget Mexico, you forget Venezuela, Nigeria. So this flood the zone, you know, it's not just from a geopolitical. It's happening domestically as well.

[A]

You said Steve Bannon said that.

[B]

Yeah. So Steve. Yeah, so Steve Bannon was making the. The media rounds. And for folks who don't know, obviously Steve Bannon, you know, former White House advisor and everything, but Steve Bannon is a genius politically. He Basically, in 2016, for folks who don't know, he wrote Trump's playbook. He is the MAGA author. He actually had a meeting with Trump and said, we're making a massive mistake. He says we're making the issue of like, China number one. He's like, no, no, no, let's start off on immigration. And then we work everything way down. So that's why Trump would build the wall super hard in 2016.

[A]

One of the smart. Regardless of what you think about him, Garlic. And I do not have a good opinion. He is one of the smartest political operatives in history. And Joe White boy's got some motion too, right? We pull up that pic. Cause it's funny. He's the guy saying, flood the zone so that the media can't focus on one story. This is. Joe has this actually framed in his apartment in Brooklyn. Just cause it's such a. Yeah, yeah. Don't give it away.

[B]

It's such a.

[A]

It's such a. Such a great picture. I just like, the vibes are immaculate.

[B]

Oh, my God, look at that.

[A]

And Steve Bannon was fired by Trump about a day before that picture was taken. He looks so happy. So, Jorge, this is. People don't even know this because he forgot about that. It went right under the radar. I'll never forget the day Steve Bannon was fired from Trump. One from 45. So he was the White House advisor and he was fired on a Friday, I want to say, in August 2017. So he'd been on the job for like eight months. It is the same energy right there. Deep spooling up a comparative picture. But I lived in North Jersey and so Trump in the summers, on the weekends, goes to his place in Bedminster with the golf course. So he would fly into Morristown Airport. So I'm coming back from an appointment and, you know, the roads are empty because it's like maybe 2 o' clock in the afternoon and all the fucking cop cars are lined up. I'm like, God damn it, he's landing here. So they. They shut off, like, whenever the President goes to fly into one of these, like, smaller airports, they shut off, like, the four miles around it. You gotta, like, go around. So I'm like, fuck. And wow, he's flying up here. The day Bannon got fired, while Trump was flying up to Morristown Airport, Bannon got in his car and drove to New York City and spent the weekend at Jeffrey Epstein's place and interviewed him on camera for 18 hours. And Epstein verified this and everything. Bannon later teased a documentary back in maybe late 2021.

[B]

I knew about the interview. I didn't know it was 18. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Where he showed one clip of it, which is like a comical clip where he's like. He's like pressing Epstein, and he's like, you've been accused of doing some horrible things to women and whatever, you know, like, how do you respond? He goes, I actually believe the future is about women. I'm a time's up guy. And it like, you can't even believe this is real. He's like, we're gonna make it. I know. We're gonna make a documentary on this. And then they never put out the documentary because Steve Bannon goes way back with Mr. Epstein. That's a fun rabbit hole to go down to if people want to do that. There's a guy named Henry Abbott from actually True Hoop, of all places, who did an amazing, like, 18 chapter report on this, like, five or six years ago. And there's a chapter called Steve Bannon about Epstein. And it's like, what the. Okay.

[B]

I didn't know they get. Went way back.

[A]

Oh, oh, they. Buddy, buddy, bro. So, like, it's funny that they're flooding the Zone with some of this stuff now.

[B]

Ah, okay. Now we're getting. Okay, now we're making the. Okay.

[A]

When. By the way, Jorge, you'll appreciate this. You're in the news cycle. What's the worst time of the news cycle of the week?

[B]

I mean, the government usually tries to drop you, bro, in a Friday or Sunday night.

[A]

So they'll fall Friday night into Saturday morning. Yeah, that's the time. So let. Let's just. Let's Review a couple things here. Jeffrey Epstein found dead in his jail cell on an early Saturday morning in August, the vacation month, the deadest news month of the year. Ghislaine Maxwell found guilty on Wednesday, December 29, two days before New Year's. The dead week after Christmas. January 3 is Monday. It's dead by then. On Saturday morning of President's Day Weekend in America. Jean Luc Brunel, Epstein's European trafficker, found dead in his jail cell on a three day Weekend in America stories dead by Tuesday. When Trump and and Cash Patel had to come out this year and like admit that some of the things they said about Epstein was wrong, but there's still nothing to see here. Like that big thing that happened, I believe Joe. It was like July 3rd, like of July 4th week. And yeah, that's a whole separate thing. One eye hunt, One eye fishing. The Epstein file release date that they kept pushing off that Trump wouldn't sign finally got released on Friday afternoon and they were late to release it. Remember, like Massey.

[B]

All right, where is it?

[A]

They released it that night on December 19, right before Christmas week. A week before the Somali documentary goes to Mars. Two weeks before we we invade Venezuela. Gone. That is not a coincidence.

[B]

It's totally out of the news cycle now. Total here really quick. Joey, just Google eppsy. What's like our last article, Amazing Brother. That's. Yeah, yeah. Right in the middle of the night and the story's already dead and they probably are also probably planning an event nearby. So after that story. But we're just gonna kill it with something else.

[A]

Four weeks ago, biggest trafficker in known trafficker in human history.

[B]

How many Somalis got arrested after that dog.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. But because, because by the way, two things that was, that was, that was a Friday. But like that's the other thing. Nick put it out, I believe on the 26. Nick Shirley which is like not a great day to put out content. And it became, and it became the most viewed documentary of all time because it got retweeted by everyone. And by the way, two things are true at the same time. Nick definitely seems to have uncovered something there and he doesn't control like who takes actions with it afterwards. Obviously. Like he is a conservative guy. He's an investigator on that side. Like he's not. Nick is not a pure journalist because he does have a point of view. So like he's excited about some of the people who are retweeting this. And he's young and he Found a good story. So that's not in his control, but like, not natural for that to be getting 150 million. Yeah. In a week. And, and it's a. I. I gotta say, very well done documentary. I would say he had 90 to 95% of the stuff fairly buttoned up. Like in, in a. In an on the ground capture documentary. That's hard to do. So kudos to him. But I'm just saying, like it was used outta his control to also wash this shit away. Cause by the way, there were a bunch of pictures of like, you know, it. And to be clear, I actually didn't think this was bad, but people could paint it as bad. There were a bunch of pictures of Elon with a bunch of other scientists at a dinner with John Brockman. And I always forget the name of that fucking science club back in 2011. The fact of the matter is Epstein funded this club. It's like every scientist in the world was in it. And he would go to some of the dinners. That doesn't mean anything happened happened. But like, you know, people aren't.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They don't. They're 0 or 100 about this. Like, there's no middle ground. You know what I mean? So I understand like in that case, someone like Elon being like, God damn it. Like, do I really. I don't know this guy, you know, but people will be like, but do.

[B]

Yeah, I know. And then, dude, everyone commented on it. Pam Bondi, who. Come on. And then I think it was like a day or two ago. What the White House puts out the statement saying because of Shirley's reporting, we're gonna like surge in Minnesota. I mean, no one's getting arrested for the, for the fraud. They're just.

[A]

It's. You don't think.

[B]

I mean, I. I haven't seen any arrest as. And then, I mean, we'll see. I mean, well, things have play out. But I also find it interesting. Joe, we could pull it up. Joe Thompson, the lead prosecutor who's a Trump appointee for Minnesota, resigned a couple days ago with. If we could pull this article up, Julian. And then five other prosecutors also resign. He's a Trump appointee. This is a guy who like literally uncover fraud like two years ago for. There it is. Joe Thompson. The administration is pushing Joe.

[A]

But this is over the ice shooting thing.

[B]

No. Yeah, but the thing is he is the guy who had literally went after the fraud in Minnesota. He just closed like a $250 million fraud case. This guy's a big deal. He's good. Trump picked him. And then the administration started pressuring Thompson and the other prosecutors to find something on the widow of Renee Nicole. Good. And then these guys just all resigned.

[A]

All right, so I have like, admittedly, and Joe and I were talking about this yesterday, like not looked at any of this ICE shooting stuff because I saw like immediately global freak out on Twitter. All the predictable names on either side giving completely opposite. I didn't watch the video. I was just like, I, I had too much going on last week. I'm like, I'm just going to let this play out. What happened here? Just give it to me as objectively as possible. What's going on? Obviously everyone who's listening, who's normal actually did watch this and has their own opinions, but I'm hearing it for the first time. What went on here? What's the story?

[B]

So obviously, you know, we're seeing this huge surge of, you know, federal immigration agents in, in, in Minneapolis. And obviously you have a city that's not used to seeing. No, no, really American cities used to seeing this amount of federal agents on the ground masked up. So obviously this is drawing tensions and drawing crowds and in confrontations, a lot of people that are making the mistake where like every federal agent, they're just saying it's ice. The majority of agencies you guys are seeing on the ground are Border Patrol. That's why they have that green uniform. And border patrol is the one who are, who is doing the roving patrols. Meaning, like if there's a Somali looking person getting gas, they're rolling up, they're asking them, can I see your id? Are you like, like they're the ones who, who are doing that. So in this, in this Renee Nicole situation, according to the government in that area, they were doing what they call a targeted operation. Now targeted usually means from my reporting is they have an individual who they are already going for. They already tracked their pattern of life. Normally ICE get is like, is doing that, but this was a target operation by border patrol, so there was protesters there. Obviously all these tensions. You have Renee Nicole, good, who I believe like just dropped off her kid, ends up in this kind of situation where she's now surrounded by a few of these agents, kind of like a roadblock. And I mean, everything kind of happens really quick. You know, they, there's that moment in that video where she kind of looks at the agent, says, hey, I'm not mad at you, dude. And then, then one other agent I believe is the one who said, hey, get out the car. And then that's when everything kind of turns. Because then she turns the car. You have the agent who's like, in front of the car. He has, I don't know why, his cell phone out. And then boom. One shot through the windshield when the wheel started turning on the right. And there was two more shots when he was in the society. Then, like, in the. In one of the, you know, one of the videos at the end, he goes effing in the car. Kind of after Nicole's obviously, you know, deceased, the car keeps going and it hits a pole. And that's kind of obviously, bro, that. That went mega viral and all that good stuff. But the thing is, this is my frustration, Julian, is like, even before I watched that video, I already know what your opinion on the shooting is from. If you're on team right and team right. I think this is where you and me, 100 agreed, are kind of sick with the. With everything going on.

[A]

So, by the way, just. Jorge, I want you to finish this point deep. Can you pull up the video and not put it on the screen and not have audio? Just so I see it with the context. Obviously, Jorge's seen all this. And then. Jorge, please continue.

[B]

Yes. Look, I'm not. I'm not a law expert. I have no idea how this is gonna. Gonna weigh up. But, like, I think for me, the frustration was that, like, everyone just came out. Dude was like an automatic expert on the situation, and, you know, we'll see how this plays out with voters. But what I found super interesting, Julian, was like, the next day, J.D. vance does the. Oh, this is better. I. I do an interview with. I won't say his name. I do. I'm in Washington, D.C. when the shooting happens.

[A]

Sorry to hear that.

[B]

And I meet with DC guy who's. Who's in the administration connected to, uh, cracking on drugs. I don't want to be real too much.

[A]

So we.

[B]

We have a meeting. Meeting goes, good. He. This guy was a former ICE guy. So in our meeting goes, hey, Jorge, just gotta run out in a little bit. I gotta. Gotta go on fox. You know, I gotta go. They're interviewing me as a. From the. From the perspective of a former ICE agent shooting, you know, but he's. He's in the admin. So I say, okay, cool. He does the interview, and then he calls me. He goes, all right, I did the FOX interview, and the White House calls me directly and told me, get the F off tv. And I'm like, huh? He goes, that's never happened to me before, man. He's like, I don't want to get fired. I don't know if I pissed him off. He says, I went on Fox and he's like, obviously, I play ball. I'm gonna defend my guy. You know, they're gonna defend. No matter what, they're gonna defend the, The. The. The shooter because it's the dhs. You know, he's.

[A]

He's.

[B]

The guy's in the admin, bro. He's the admin. Right now is doubling down on anything.

[A]

But you can say I, I withhold. I actually, I'll give Tom Homan a little credit on this. He said, I'm not something like, like, I'm not going to comment on this because it's an ongoing investigation or something like that. Like, that's what you should, you shouldn't just like, automatically defend your guy, especially if you don't even know.

[B]

Yeah. So this. So he said, hey, man, did nothing wrong, you know, you know, talk to him about my expertise defending our guy. He goes, I got a call from the White House to get the f. Off tv. And then what? He what he doesn't know. He's not a reporter, so he doesn't know what the media works. And I go, I say, I go, hey, man, it looks like the White House is panicking on this video and they would need to get in front of the story. And you going on before Gnome does. And then the funny thing is, like, two year, two hours later, Gnome does her press conference, right? Does. Does a press conference. All the greatest hits. The next day, what I found interesting, J.D. vance is doing the press briefing, and J.D. vance comes out in his doubling down, aggressive, like off the cuff already. Like, Renee Nicole Good is a domestic terrorist. And was like. Basically he doubled down and so much that like. And this is what I was speaking to another reporter friend about. He's like, Jorge, with this big, beautiful bill. You got 10,000 agents coming in. They're. They're. Dude, this is the 10,000 agents that are coming in. These aren't guys. They're like, hey, man, my whole life I just wanted to be a police officer, man, to serve the community, buddy. These guys are like rejects in other parts of society. Criminal record. They're getting rushed through training.

[A]

Criminal records.

[B]

Some of these guys got criminal record and they're getting, I don't know, Joe, really quick. If we could just put up like, slate journalist, ice. Just put that in as a slate journalist. Just applied at ICE and got in quick. And she was like a super lib, hates Trump, uses drugs and you've heard.

[A]

About who ICE is recruiting. The truth is far worse. I'm the proof what happens when you do minimal screening before hiring agents, arming them and sending them into the streets. We're all finding out.

[B]

And really quick before, before you read the rest so people don't think, oh, it's a lib article. I DHS put it put out a statement combating this and then it got, it got community noted by X. Oh, my.

[A]

For a slate. That's hard to do.

[B]

She got a real tentative offer. She's like, dude, I smoke weed. I'm the biggest lib. She's like, you could google me. I talk shit about Trump all the time. So, so, so what? I was speaking to my reporter buddies. Like, he's like, we got the big beautiful bill. You got 10,000 of these agents do that are being rushed in. Not only being rushed in. These are like the most MAGA of MAGA agents. Then you have the shooting of Renee Nicole Good. So if you're an agent applying, like, oh, man, I'm kind of worried the VP just came out and had your back. You got immunity, brother. You're. You don't think these guys are gonna come in round the F up.

[A]

Come on. Can I see the video? Joe, while we're talking about.

[B]

Also really quick, what I found interesting is why does this video from the agent cell phone, why does that get leaked to Alpha News? I mean, that's a hold on the.

[A]

You know, it was from the agents. So who, while I'm watching this, who was Renee Nicole good? Like, what was the context of her even being there in the car at the time? Do we know that?

[B]

I, I guess she just heard about the protest and try to like, go down and I, I, I'm hearing two, two stories. There's one that she dropped off her kitty and just kind of ran in, ran into the protest. One that like, she just went to it and then to kind of panic and try to leave few angles. Yeah.

[A]

Let me see, let me first see the angle everyone's seen. Yes, this, that I, I feel like. Right, okay. So she's being told to stop. She doesn't. And then does he shoot from the side? Is that it or. No, the front. He pulled his gun, bang, bang, and then bang, bang on the side. Okay, okay. Now, Joe, you had another, as you.

[B]

See there, Julian, you see when that guy goes up to, to obviously grab the door, so he, right there is where kind of everything changes, right? Because he goes, get out, get out. And she's in Panic mode. I think, you know, she's in panic.

[A]

Mode because I also. It. Like, I think ICE also is so controversial right now, like, as an organization that a lot of people. There are a lot of citizens. I'm not saying whether this is right or wrong.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Saying this, like, who don't view them from a rights perspective, like, when they're there as an actual police officer, which they. They are, but they. Their reputation through some of the things we've seen over the past few months is not good. And they're also being decried by local politicians, maybe in some cases correctly. I. I don't know. I'm not trying to make it a political statement here. I'm just trying to report what's going on where, you know, they're basically saying, like, get the out of our city and stuff. So then the people are like, well, some people who are scared of this are like, well, my mayor saying they should get the out so they don't have jurisdiction. You know what I mean? Right.

[B]

And I was speaking to a DHS agent about this. The language is hurting these guys too. So, like, when they say, like, these are Gestapo, these are Nazis. Like, some of the language that some media uses is like, when. When they arrest someone, they'll say, this person was kidnapped or they would disappear. So when the public hears that, you know, you know, obviously, like we're talking about ICE is not good. Like, at the end of the day, like, yeah, this is from Alpha News. And this is gonna be. Should be the cell phone of.

[A]

We're not showing this on camera because the video will get demonetized. But I just want to see it. So this was leaked, you said?

[B]

Yeah, to Alpha News.

[A]

This is from the agent cell phone right there. Okay.

[B]

And right here she goes. I'm not mad at you guys. Yeah, dude, I'm not mad at you.

[A]

I'm not mad at you. He's filming. He's going to get her license plate. So he has it, even his agent bro. And then someone's filming him. Oh, that's her partner.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. That's when the other agent bro goes up and grabs a door handle. And that's when the situation.

[A]

Okay, so her partner's right there, you know, and then she. Now she's turning it. Now bang, bang. She shot. Okay. And we don't see the shots, but we see her car spin out of control. Okay.

[B]

So I don't know how that video goes from the agent's cell phone to Alpha News. I don't know if there's.

[A]

There's a re now.

[B]

I don't know why they want to make that leak. I know that agent who also fire shots was previously dragged in a car in a previous operation, I believe like less than six months ago.

[A]

Who fired the.

[B]

Yeah. So from what I've heard, I spoke to a lawyer friend. This is from. I'm not an expert, but he says that, that that might hurt the government's case because it's like you don't want a guy who's dealing with trauma and then panic.

[A]

So, you know, then does the onus go on to the government for putting him still in.

[B]

I don't think this is going to happen, this guy because Trump and Vance and Gnome are very clear that they have your back no matter what. I really don't think so.

[A]

But we started this loop actually with the prosecutor stepping down because he happened to be a guy Trump appointed guy. Is that right?

[B]

Yeah. So basically the administration is pressuring Thompson saying start find something on the widow of Renee Nicole.

[A]

Good.

[B]

And then right there, Joe Thompson, who's a Trump appointee. I mean I can't, I can't emphasize.

[A]

This enough who just happens to be a fraud expert prosecutor at this time, by the way. But he's stepping down over the ICE thing. Not the fraud thing, over the ICE thing.

[B]

Yeah. So what does Joe think about. He probably thinks, hey, I have nothing on this lady and this administration is going to make me is.

[A]

You know, I'm just trying to pry.

[B]

Because I just, I know so much stuff. Yeah.

[A]

I'm trying to. I have. I've literally purposely like scrolled past this over, over the past.

[B]

Which I'm glad you did so we could have this conversation now. And it's raw angel and I'm coming into the studio today. Last night there was a. Another ICE involved shooting. It seems like what happened where we could look at this up Joy. I believe the. It was a Venezuelan individual. He like struck one of the agents with a shovel. Agent fireback. So we had another shooting last night and then. Oh my God. Then. So there were some more clashes of protesters. There was tear gas. Some of those agents. Julian, I don't know if we can find the video. They left their vehicles in the midst of it. So the protesters actually went into the vehicles Ramsacked them. They stole a bunch of documents that of like who ICE was targeting. So they have, they have those documents in an FBI rifle. I believe Nick Sortor on X has a video of them pulling out. If we could get this right now. Oh, the rifle. Right. FBI rifle Case out of a car.

[A]

That's kind of funny. Yeah, I mean, it's not, but it's.

[B]

A little bit funny. If we could go on X Joy and put. Nick Sortor Rifle. Yeah, he. He has a video. It was all breaking last night. It was crazy.

[A]

You know the picture I have outside the studio, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bill the Butcher.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you aware what he says in that lines in New York when he's sitting there? No. He's looking at Leonardo DiCaprio just doing a monologue in the middle of the night. And Leo's like, waking up, like, what the is this guy doing? And he's like, civilization is crumbling. There's a reason I put that outside the studio.

[B]

Take a look at this right here, Julie.

[A]

Okay, so here's. Can we put this before we play it? Is this one. That's gonna get us in trouble?

[B]

No, no, I don't. No, no, no.

[A]

All right. And by the way, people, I'm sorry, I gotta be so. Pause that real fast. Joe. Pause that real fast. Sorry. I'm sorry. I got to be so careful with some of the stuff. But just so you understand, we have had demonetization wars with all of Jorge's content in the past. So, like, I'm doing that very on purpose in this episode. I know that is an annoying part at home, and I apologize for that. I don't make the rules. Okay, sorry. Okay, so they're like hacking away. Can you make a full screen button shot?

[B]

Yeah, you'll see him.

[A]

Oh, my God. Oh, yeah, he's got. Wow, he looks like a real straight shooter. No pun intended. Yeah, I mean, this isn't.

[B]

This happened last night.

[A]

These aren't the people I want finding this stuff. I'll put it that way.

[B]

Even Joey, I don't know if we could. We got the video. If we could look up Ford Fisher. Because Ford Fisher has a video of the documents. When they have their ransacking the documents. So as a reporter who's covered the 2020 rides, I'm looking at this and.

[A]

It'S almost like you were in them. Like, literally undercovered in them.

[B]

Yeah, in them. I mean, there's no one has more experience than me in. I'm getting that feeling, man, where something. Ford, like the car Ford. Yeah, yeah. We're one moment away, man, from this thing spilling over. Because think about this.

[A]

This is just.

[B]

And I don't want to say this, but you're having these violent clashes. You're the other side now. There are these protesters. They're urging their audiences, their Followers, if you want to come to Minneapolis and protest, come armed.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

We are getting to that moment. And I don't want. I, I hate saying this, but this is just realistic because I covered the process and I've seen it. We're getting to that moment where an, an ICE agent officer is. Could get shot and killed. I mean, we're, We're. The public is reaching that. I mean, look at this. I mean, they, I mean, it's, it's so calming down Jorge.

[A]

Because I, I hate, like. And I take what you say very seriously because you've seen all this stuff on the ground and you go, and now we're really gonna get you back going to where the stories are, because you're doing yourself. So again, we will have Jorge's links down below to his ex, his new YouTube channel that I, I know we'll talk about some of the content you're gonna be doing there. I know it's gonna be great. So people go follow Jorge's great file. But, you know, I hear you talking about this civil unrest and, and what this all is. It is just scary to me. The pendulum shifts that we still not only still subject ourselves to in society, but we make worse than ever when all the answers are there in front of us to show us why that's a bad idea. So here, let me give some context there. It is an objective statement that the last administration, the Biden administration's policies on the border and immigration were horrible. There's actually really no one who did a better job of laying that out than you, because you covered, and I cite it all the time on this podcast, some serious human trafficking stories that were able to happen because of how loose the border was. So the same people who were like, well, we just have to have open borders and whatever because we have to let everyone in, because that's what we do in America. When they were confronted with what that allowed very bad people to do on a massive scale with things like human trafficking, where people are dying, they're having their organs harvested, or they're being sold into slavery. We don't know where they are. We never find out. Oh, they didn't care about the human rights then. And it was crazy. And so you get a guy like Trump who says, we're going to tighten up the border, which, yo, like, hey, have at that, bro. I'm like, that's. That's fine. But so what I really wanted to see, with respect to us cleaning up also who had gotten into our streets here, was for places like ice, Border patrol, whoever it is, to go get the criminals and get them out. Get the people who are carrying fucking guns around in our street, who are illegal immigrants, the people who are committing violence, the people who are breaking the law, the people who are completely taking advantage of our system that way. What I didn't need to see prioritize with a bunch of people symbolically wearing balacavas and camo who, you know, apparently include Slate journalists if they want to get the job. What I didn't need to see was going to like the people who have been here for 25 years and are just a family with no criminal history and seeing kids ripped away from their parents. And it's. Listen, people, I know we have an anecdotal Internet. These aren't all anecdotal stories. There are a lot of them. And from a just a basic humanity, maybe there's a better way to solve it. May certainly you want to get people to be credentialed citizens and go through that kind of process or if they're not qualified, figure out something else. But there's a human way to do it. And what it feels like is Biden had pushed the pendulum so badly to the other side, to where objectively horrible, awful, horrific things were happening in our country as a result of this. Such that now the attitude of anger, which is a just response to that, I get it was so hard from this side that anything goes. And when you do that, you become. It's just human nature. It's actually. No, let me correct that. It's the law of physics I cite all the time. When you have the equal but opposite reaction, you come, you become exactly what your enemy is from a different angle angle. And I'm still taking in like this one ice shooting and things, but there's a lot of other stuff too. And I am slowly feeling those vibes happening. And it really makes me sad.

[B]

No, I'm with you, man. Like, if. If you're upset about what's going on in terms of like, the optics of how these raids look, it's like at the end of the day, this is all back to Joe Biden. I mean, he effed it up so bad that the punch in the swing. I was in South Texas where, like, those Latinos have been voting Democrat since like 1940 and it wasn't gonna change. And he opened up the border so bad that all those Latino communities in South Texas flipped. And I was there sounding the alarm for the Dems. I was like, hey, guys, like these guys say they're voting Republican for the first time. Like, somebody get out here and talk to them. I mean, don't take the vote. Then no one was listening to me. Then after the election, the New York Times. Oh my God. This historic game with Latinos in South Texas, how did it happen? Well, it happens when you have 17,000 Haitians stuck under the Del Rio bridge. It shuts down the port of entry and people can't make money. You have kids. Literally, I was, dude, I'll never forget the report I did. I mentioned it on the previous pod June, but I was in the Eagle password. They were getting a drowning per day, pulling out kids and babies and mothers from the Rio Grande River. So when the pendulum swung, this is what you got. And the Trump administration came in, we were going to conduct the largest deportation and operation in history. What people I think didn't expect is that Stephen Miller was going to just ramp this thing up to a times 10. And kind of the way that Rubio has been the genius on foreign policy and kind of the mastermind, the mastermind in this operation, what we're seeing in the optics is all Stephen Miller. Because Stephen Miller, what was interesting is ICE directors all have. Stephen Miller called all the ICE directors and, and was pissed off that they were not getting 3,000 arrests per day. I don't know if you could Google Joey, just Stephen Miller, 3,000. But they wanted 3,000 arrests. And when I was speaking with folks inside ICE and Border Patrol, like, they were all like, they're like, Jorge, we want to get all the bad guys out too. The thing is, it's like there's just not enough high profile criminal illegal aliens to hit 3,000 per day. So then what we started to see is the collateral arrest of just kind of like you were saying, like folks who like their only crime is that they've been here 20 years and the system sucks and they can't have a pathway of citizenship now they're kind of getting arrested it. But yeah, it's Stephen Miller who really kind of supercharged this to the point where now Border Patrol and ICE feel like they have to kind of target everyone. Border Patrol particularly is interesting, man, because they're doing the roving patrol. So they're just driving around, could just come up and ask you for your citizenship. I've been speaking with some folks in ice.

[A]

What's the, do you know the legality of that? So that feels like, I don't know how familiar you are with this, but the old like stop and frisk policy right in New York, like That's, that's what it feels.

[B]

So, so let me just explain this for the audience who doesn't know. So like ice, because like I said, they just immediate just call it calls everyone ice, but like ICE are the ones who, like, they do target arrest, meaning that like, they'll, they'll. Let's say they're in Denver. They're going after a Jose Gonzalez. They are doing pattern of life. They are tracking his movements. They know where he lives, where he works. And then they go in and make that target arrest. Now ICE is being pressured is when they make that target arrest to arrest also anyone in that building or facility that's also undocumented. That's your, that's your collateral. Border Patrol is another level because they are doing the whole thing where they're riding around with that guy Gregory Bevino. They want that confrontation, they want that interaction with the media and they want those optics for whatever, for whatever reason. I just think as a journalist and just been covering the way people think and vote, you never want a story to keep hitting you negative in the headlines because then it creeps into independent and normies. And that's what happened on immigration where only the right cared about it. But because Biden just let the border so open, got so ridiculous and then, then they started busting the migrants and everything, the story got so big that, that those negative headlines were enough to take them down. And I just, like, I know the MAGA base loves this, but like a normie independent voter, like these optics are.

[A]

Were very bad for the Trump administration. So like, if you are someone who is on the more conservative side of things and like you wanted to see a conservative president in 2028, you know, whether you agree with this or not, I can kind of see where my thoughts are going with.

[B]

And really quick, Joe, if you could pull up an article like it just came out the way it was like, I think it was like most like, I think Americans are fleeing both parties like faster than ever. Like, the independence is going quicker. So when I see that headline.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

That to me, if I'm like a GOP operative, that's a massive warning sign because the Republicans just made massive gains with minority voters, especially with black and Latinos independents, Gen Z. So if you're already losing that coalition that you just won, I mean, 2028 is not looking good. So it could also just be, man, like I said, man, people are getting, like I said, the optics. A lot of politics. Like, I try to tell people some politics, bro, not even the policy is More important, it's literally just the optics of it. So, like, yes, if more Americans than ever are identifying as political like that, to me, that doesn't this already. It's bad news for Democrats. This to me is like, disaster for Republicans because you just made all those gains.

[A]

More Americans than ever are identifying as political Independence poll shows 45 tell Gallup poll their independence suggesting Republicans Democrats struggling to hold voter loyalty. When was this poll held, Joe? So is 15,000 people. What's the day of this article?

[B]

I think it was just updated five minutes ago. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, this is like today. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I was reading last night, pulling over the course of 2020.

[A]

It does feel like. So let's look at the timeline here. Right? Like, Trump gets shot at in Butler has the unbelievable response to it and everything.

[B]

His support Skyron.

[A]

Right. And then his. And then he actually, like, didn't do anything for a few weeks, if you remember this. And, like, then Kamala kind of surged for a minute, and then in August, he started the independent media blitz, kind of became the darling of, like, young men and all that, and then won the election very soundly. And it was an amazing, objectively, an amazing political comeback, probably the most amazing political comeback in American history. It feels like, you know, at the time he took a victory lap, as it is his right to do and as he should. It feels like no matter what has happened since then, living through all the Epstein backlash, living through some of the web now, the backlash we see with some of the policies they're enforcing to enforce the immigration, no matter what is done, he and the people around him keep living in this victory lap world. I mean, you got Stephen Miller's wife running a podcast like, with celebrities now. You know what I mean? Like, there. There is a little bit or a lot of bit in some cases.

[B]

What about Cash Patel's girlfriend? Girlfriend, not wife.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's an inability to read the room is what I'm getting at.

[B]

I see you in Valhalla.

[A]

Brother. There was a tweet that said, like, he said a Hindu FBI head said in front of a Mormon governor and a Protestant vice president to a Protestant deceased friend that he'd see him in a pagan heaven.

[B]

I mean, these jokes write themselves, dude. The Katie. That Katie podcast. So I. I was. There was that whole thing with Cash Matel's girlfriend being like a massage agent. And it. They had this whole cringe. I'm with you, man. They're. They're still in victory.

[A]

Some of that was also not fair.

[B]

By the way they keep, they keep using the word like we're living in the golden age. And yeah, I don't know, you know what I'm, what I'm, you know, I would really urge people to pay attention to, to Gen Z, because they're going to play a huge role, obviously. And Gen Z, they just went through where like they, they went conservative. Gen Z's very anti war. What I mean by that is like Gen Z, you know, if you turn on Fox News and you talked about kids being killed in Gaza, they, they, that's like not, they're, they're, you're, you're, you're a Hamas sympathizer. So Gen Z hears that like, okay, I'm a Hamas sympathizer. Then they go on tick tock and then they see the reality and now that disconnect happens. And not only is that disconnect happening, but then Gen Z cared about Epstein. We're not getting Epstein. Gen Z right now, economic future is looking dire. AI is coming in. No one could afford a home. It's looking very bleak. And I, I, one thing I like about Gen Z is like that, that's gonna be that one generation. You're just not gonna be able to BS either side. You could, you could do all the lies. They're living it, man. So, and they went through when their life was shut down during, during COVID Yes. So I, I, dude, shout out to Gen Z, man. It's, it's, it's that generator you're not going to be able to dance around.

[A]

So yeah, they could be the black pill.

[B]

And look, Julian, and, and if we're doing the timeline, Trump's already lost the podcast bros. I mean, Joe Rogan's flipped on them. Tim Dillon, Theo, I mean all, you.

[A]

Know, so, and, and like. This was something that I at the time, you know, quietly felt strongly about. And, and I, I do appreciate those guys calling it, like they see it a lot. I, I say that I'm a fan of those guys and you know, they, a lot of them make it possible for me to do what I do, but he, Some things don't change here, Jorge. None of what happens changes the fact that Kamala Harris was objectively an awful candidate for president, regardless of whatever her policies were. Fucking lady couldn't talk. I mean, it was bad, right? She was an awful, awful candidate. And before that, Joe Biden was six sheets to the wind. I mean, he was done. So there weren't options there. None of it changes the fact that like woke culture, which Was had a iron grip in many cases for like a decade. Was cringe in every way. And now Gen Z, much of Gen Z, there's a subset of Gen Z that's like, totally bought in, but then a large subset that's like, fuck that shit, right? So much to the point, like, they'll get behind someone like Nick Fuentes and stuff, just because it's so opposite, right? Like, none of it changes that. That was all bad. What it doesn't do is exonerate the other side from there or not exonerate it doesn't mean that the other side can now do whatever they want to do, regardless of how opposite or how too far it is. And my whole thing with this was, it's easy for me to say this because I'm a smaller podcast and it's not an option for me to bring on Donald Trump on my show. Let's just call it like it is. But, like, I've always had a policy of not bringing on politicians, and I've stuck to that. And I've been asked to bring on politicians plenty of times before. I've always said no. And I was very concerned when they all brought on Trump. Now they all invited on Kamala, and Kamala and her campaign deserve all the blame in the world for, like, fucking bitching out from it and being like, yeah, we're not going to do this. Like, well, we'll go do call her daddy. So they deserve a lot of blame as well. And I don't think Joe or Theo or Flagrant or any of these guys deserve blame on that. But because the moment was so strong, it is so easy. And I could have seen myself falling into it, too. I'm not gonna sit here and throw stone from a glass house. It is so easy to get swept up in that. And with the cool, funny guy who's coming back while the fucking cringe lady runs on the other side, that then you get into an endorsement. And I cite this all the time. One of the most uncomfortable things I ever saw was, you know, Joe brought on Elon the day before the election. That's fine. Elon was there to make his case for Donald Trump. Cool. No problem with that. But Joe put out a tweet that night, the night before the election, basically, like, promoting the episode. And I don't. I don't have defense here right now, but, like, the wording I'm paraphrasing was like, I had on my great friend, you know, the rocket genius, Elon Musk, to make what I think is the strongest case I've heard yet for Donald Trump for president. Like that. Everybody enjoy. 20 minutes later, the tweet was edited and he put in there. And to be clear, in the middle of it, yes, that is a personal endorsement of Donald Trump. And what had happened was Elon called him flipping out, saying, you have to endorse him. You have pressuring him to endorse him. Elon, who's got a lot of money in the game and stuff. So Joe, great friends with Elon does it. And I. I get it. I. I get it. I'm not. Let's not play fucking hindsight 20 20, whatever, but this is the problem you run into now, because I really appreciate these guys being honest on a lot of things where they are disagreeing, but when you then make that relationship and it becomes a bit, buddy, buddy. And then, Joe, the. You said something brilliant a few minutes ago that I have to say all the time, and I hate saying it, but it's true. I wish we lived in a world where how things were mattered that more than how things look. But unfortunately, especially in this business, there are times where how things look matter more than how things are because it's how it's spun. So when Joe Rogan is on the dais at the inauguration, the other guys are in the crowd. Can you imagine if that was Kamala and Anderson Cooper was up there? They would be shredded. So. And I know, and Joe's not Anderson Cooper, I want to be very like. Like, I'm. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the optics could make his enemies try to paint him that way. And it's downstream to the rest of us in independent media as well. So now these guys are switching up on some things righteously so fully support them. Think that's great, but it can be spun to, oh, but that was your boy. Oh, oh. All of independent media is like that. So if I were they, whoever they is, all these consortiums of people who actually run the world, whoever the fuck they are, and I saw that a certain industry, an upstart industry like independent media, had an enormous effect on. On who the fucking President of the United States was who won an election. And I wanted to destroy said industry. I would destroy it from the inside. I would try to have it make some of the same mistakes, even to a way lesser degree, but a way that we could blow it up at the same proportion that mainstream media had made, and I'd have them make it from the other side. And I had this conversation with Tommy G. A year ago on inauguration night about how concerned I was, was. And last night, Tommy G. And I were on the phone almost exactly a year later, and he said, what do you think the future of independent media is? And I said, tommy, at the moment, optically, I'm not so sure end of independent media exists like it did. We have to get it back. And I can't say I didn't see this coming. So, again, easy for me to say if, if Donald Trump had called me up during the election and said, like, hey, I want to give on your bad guess. And I'm like, okay, well, let me invite Kamala too. Maybe I'll do this one. Maybe I would have done it. Let's not sit here and cast stones. But, like, looking back on it, it is an amazing lesson for me to learn from watching what other people had to go through. And I appreciate them now trying to navigate it and trying to be as honest as they can about it. And I hope that continues to happen. Where things are bad, you should be able to call it, like, you know, this is good, this is bad, this is good, this is bad. That is why when I go down and I vote, I write in journalists, abstain for every position, down to dog catcher. I will never have skin in the game because I have to be able praise and criticize based on how things are with no skin in the game. I take that part of the job seriously and I always will.

[B]

Dude, you and me are in the on the same wavelength. But I was, when I was going to journalist community college, my journalist teacher would tell me, he's like, hey, Jorge, back in the, like back in the 60s and the 70s, reporters that cover politics, they didn't vote. And I remember I was like 18, 19 when I heard that. And up to that point, I had never voted, never, never donated to a political party. And right then, I meant, I made a pact to myself. I'm like, if I'm going to do this political thing, I'm never going to vote. And I'm happy for that. Everyone who has a job, role has, in a way, has a little sacrifice, right? You're a firefighter, you make sacrifice, all that, all that same stuff. But for me, I'm like, you know what? I'm happy not voting because I don't want to vote. And then that plays a role in the way I report. And that's a disservice to my audience. If I'm really going to be like the independent guy, hold both sides accountable. You can't vote so I'm 30, never voted, never donated to any political party and just try to attack.

[A]

Good for you.

[B]

Both sides. But I agree with you, man. Like the, the influencer independent economy market is now getting infiltrated by all these different interests and, you know, investments and stuff. I don't know if we could. Joey, there's a guy on X named Rob Smith who's like a conservative, black, gay influencer. And he, he was, he was just. The Qatar government just paid him like whatever money and he just right now was a guitar taking. I don't know if you could just put guitar and in the, in the, in a certain. Yeah, this guy sold his soul. And this is what I'm talking about. Starts like this, this is baby step. Starts off with a Rob Smith. So this guy went to, this guy went to Qatar, bro. Did the whole. Oh, Qatar is a great country and stuff. And people were like roasting. It's like, dude, you're, you're a gay black guy. They would like throw you off a roof if it wasn't for them having you do propaganda. So he does, you know, he does all the greatest hits for, for Qatar. It's happening with a lot of other influencers getting flown out to the Israel. Also a lot of the White House same thing is like, think about it, Think about this, Julian. Let's say you're 24 years old, young guy, influencer, super risky to kind of do this. The White House invites you to the Pentagon. That's super sick. And then, oh, I get to meet Pete Hatsif and he'll. He's gonna give me an interview for my YouTube channel and maybe I could take a picture with Marco Rubio. You think when they do that to you, you think you're going to report on them objectively?

[A]

Come on. It's the same thing that the left did with the mainstream. This is what I'm saying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And by the way, like the first tweet that comes up is like Laura Loomer, who's cringe on the other side, don't get me wrong. But it's like blind squirrels are right. Find a nut once in a while too. And that's what. Especially when you get to that Middle east issue. Oh, my God. The two extremes of those sides. It's like, like just go to an island. That's a bad.

[B]

Oh, look at like down there. Go one more down.

[A]

My first read, that read from December 2025. Oh, my God, this is good. Like, how do you write this? Like, like, hold on, hold on. Before I read this Jorge. He wrote this and read this back to himself and said that looks great. Press send. Okay, go up. Yeah.

[B]

Please read this.

[A]

All right. So my first trip to Qatar has been IO this is a very different Middle east than I experienced as a U.S. army soldier deployed during Operation Iraqi Freedom. Long before I was a political commentator, media personality and podcaster, I was a United States soldier tasked with defending and protecting America. It is something that I've literally put my life on the line to do and something I take very seriously.

[B]

This is my favorite line, which about.

[A]

To be right now. You shouldn't have to preface with that. By the way, did you know there's a US Air Force base in Qatar that hosts 10,000 active duty American. American soldiers? I did not. That got Joe. I wasn't aware of a great deal of things about Qatar, only misconceptions and half truths I'd read about online. When the opportunity was presented to me with full authority and autonomy to ask the tough questions of the officials I'd been meeting with. And I did. Oh, he wanted to say he made sure he asked him tough questions. I decided to risk any potential criticism and to travel and experience it for myself. I spent days meeting with various American officials stationed in Qatar, as well as members of their government, speaking with congressmen and congresswomen about the complex geopolitical relationship and financial partnerships that Qatar has with the United States. Visiting the campus of Georgetown University based in Qatar, and encountering an Islamic population that is quite different from the far left radicals we're dealing with in the US Of A. In the weeks and months before my visit, Qatar had been visited by patriotic American servants. I love when they say that. Like Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Treasury Secretary Scott Besant, who apparently has a good right hook by or right hand by the way, and of course our 47th President, real Donald Trump. I am proud to follow in their footsteps in doing my part to understand Qatar, bringing my military and media expert experience and expertise to help our various ambassadors and American officials currently serving. Helping to keep America strong by understanding and highlighting the unique and mutually beneficial military and financial partnerships that we share with Qatar. It has been an eye opening few days and I cannot wait to share more with you. Now. What you don't see is off camera. If you just move the camera over a little bit, there's a, there's a 45 pointed at his head and a dude probably from Qatar.

[B]

How much, how much they got to pay you to take a picture like that, huh?

[A]

I mean this so nicely. This is not A shot. But, like, that's one of the pictures I've seen.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know that they had a bass in Qatar, dude. I'm Rob Smith and I'm a media expert, so I don't know if we could even just scroll down a little bit on those replies. My boy. Oh, he might have to shut those off because my boy got roasted.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Look. Look at Melissa Chan. Yeah. How on earth is an Iraq vet? Did you not know that there's a U.S. air Force basic Qatar that holds? Like. Like, dude, come on. The Iraq war was launched from there.

[A]

Somewhere. Mike Rlund's just, like, walking.

[B]

We're living in a simulation, bro. A scop. So we got to laugh at this stuff. I'm glad that this episode happened today, Julian. We get to do this and call this out, cuz.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I. Yeah, this.

[A]

I love this. We've pissed everybody off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Amazing. Yeah. There's no every sentence. Okay. What'd you find, Joe? 11 countries paying us Tik Tockers Farah filings. So this would. This would require to be registered with far. Which, you know, I don't know.

[B]

It feels like number 11 is doing.

[A]

A lot more, but they're doing it through the non pharah.

[B]

Mexico.

[A]

That's the point.

[B]

Mexico, me and Julian be on a flight.

[A]

Come on, man. Qatar's at 2.8 million. Saudi at 4.1, UAE at 1.9. Gonna skip a bunch. And Russia at 9.76. Six YouTubers. And then in parentheses, indicted. And then Israel 900K14 to 18 creators. But Israel has a lot of organizations that do not register with far.

[B]

Boom. And yeah, Robson is a perfect example of an influencer who you tell him to jump. He says, how high, sir?

[A]

I want to know. Actually, I don't want to.

[B]

And this is the thing too, Julian, is the reason I'm pointing this out. I'm so kind of just raised about it is this is. Rob Smith is an influence. Whatever. But there's guys who then like, to their audience, they say, I'm an independent journalist.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

And then they do the same stuff. They do these trips. They. They put on a nice fake body armor and helmet and they. They go to Israel and they fly to Gaza and they tell you that Gazans aren't starving, you know, and this nice. Protect the trip. And the White House has kind of figured a way to kind of crack into that influencer thing, so that I'm just pointing it out, you know, watch out for when people say, I'm Independent journalist. Just call it, just, you know, just be. Hey, I'm a conservative journalist. I'm a little. Yeah, you know, independent should be reserved for guys who are calling balls and strikes, not on a team. But Rob Smith is a perfect example of all this.

[A]

Hold on.

[B]

Perfect example.

[A]

The second word's even more important than the independent journalist.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

Like, we have righteously shredded the mainstream media left wing journalism machine for claiming to be journalists for years now, as we should, because they're not. They bastardized the word. But if I'm going to sit here and rip Rachel Maddow for calling herself a journalist, how am I not going to rip people like this just because they're in the independent side where I happen to be making the same fucking judgment from the other side on their own. And it's like, I, I don't want to know how this feels personally at all, to be clear, but I would love to be a fly on the wall the day that the slippery slope becomes a ski slope and they, and they decide to jump over the cliff like this, right? And say, you know what? God damn, that check looks good. I think I'm gonna take that. And you know what? But they probably say to themselves, dub, I'm doing the right thing. I'm gonna, I'm gonna be on the right side of history.

[B]

They're. They're so psychotic. Or that they have to lie to themselves and think they're on the. Yeah, that they're doing the right thing. I don't know, Joey, if we could Google it or something. Just put like Pentagon influencers. Yeah, that to me was insane. So yeah, basically now these influencers that cover the Pentagon, they're basically giving is essentially like the thing that we made fun of. Like as you said, Julian, when we call out the left of them basically getting same basically being PR for the Democratic Party, basically getting a statement either reporting it. That's. These guys, these guys are now getting statements from the Pentagon necessary. And they just report it to their, to their audience. And I guess that's independent media.

[A]

I mean, yeah, it's, we're in trouble, man.

[B]

We, we.

[A]

And we've done it to ourselves.

[B]

You know what, Julian kind of starts like this though. I mean, I mean, I'm not trying to be that guy, but it kind of starts with like, we kind of just got to start calling this out.

[A]

You have to call this out, bro.

[B]

If you love the game, I love the game, you know, so I got to protect the game in any way I can. I, I love it, bro. So I'm going to, I gotta like start speaking out against like there's no way I could let this fly by. Like, I mean, come on man. You're an influence. You, you accepted the conditions that the Pentagon told you that you're taking selfies with peak heads of. It's crazy here.

[A]

It's, it is, it is, it is the same. Don't even give me same play. But, and, and like, and, and also it's got to be said, you know, when you see Netanyahu fly into New York City and meet with a bunch of American born for the most part influencers and talk to them about how we referring to another nation. We have to get tick tock. We have to. Elon Musk is a friend. He's a friend. We, we have to get that. And you have these kids in many cases who were born here, right, Strategizing with him about how to influence the American public on a foreign government. And this is where I yell at all the Zionists and anti Zionists alike. It is not a pick and choose problem. I don't point at the world and say everything's Israel's fault or I don't point at the world and say Israel's our greatest ally. I point at the world and say they're a problem. They're a problem. They're a problem. They're a problem. China, Qatar, Iran, Israel. I don't make a distinction because that's actually being America first.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, true.

[A]

So when I see these copies cocksuckers fucking accept stuff like that on in our country with a guy who's killing thousands of kids over there right now and we do nothing about that. I don't give a fuck where he's from. It's unacceptable. And if you like it so much, go move there.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Dude, go fucking move there.

[B]

Preach, bro.

[A]

I'm done.

[B]

This is my guy.

[A]

I don't give a fuck what country it is.

[B]

Joey. If we could Google put like influencer Xavier Gaza. This is exactly what Julian's hitting on is these guys, bro. They dance to any, any tune. These guys, these guys are here, Julian, accepting money, put on a. This is the thing. As a journalist, they put on a bulletproof vest and a helmet like they were in danger at where the food pallets was and they get a lie to me and say, oh all the, all the gods are getting there. Play this for Julian, please.

[A]

Am I going to get really mad?

[B]

Yeah, please play this, bro. I'm telling you right now, this is what it is. To be a propaganda machine influencers reportedly.

[A]

Paid to visit Gaza. This GHF site. Oh, sorry. No, it's all good.

[B]

Yeah, we could play that. That. Cuz, dude, they just like the way that they. They laugh and like they believable.

[A]

So we have eight minutes.

[B]

If I were Israel, I wouldn't even.

[A]

Provide matching socks to Gaza.

[B]

But here's all the aid that y' all claim doesn't exist. Share this with a friend. Blaming Israel for everything. And you know what's crazy? Cringe, Julian. Then their audience. Hey, man, thanks for doing real journalism. Look how cute. They gave him a helmet. Look how cute. I'm here in Gaza and all I see is food, water and opportunity. But instead of Hamas distributing the ramen noodles, they're eating it all. And that's why their leaders are on Ozempic is exactly Hamas's plan. I mean, do I have to say Israel as the perpetrator of all doing propaganda with a smile for a force foreign government to use people.

[A]

And again, we.

[B]

And how do people sleep at night?

[A]

To be clear for everyone who's judging right now, we started off this whole loop by pointing out someone from the other side who's doing it. It's both sides doing this. It is fucking ridiculous. I don't. I don't want to hear about trans lives for Palestine. I don't want. I don't want to hear that you'd be thrown off a building there. I also don't want to see this shit. It's just. I don't care what country it is, man. Stop. And what, like, stop.

[B]

Dude. I just don't know that this is where the game's at, bro. And that. That would do that. When I saw that one. That one had my. My blood, boy. Not only did they do the propaganda for a foreign country, but the way that, like, it's just so cute how they had the helmet and the body armor. Like they were actually.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

I mean, so. Hey, man, some people could. Could collect that check and they put the smile. And they could. They could lie to the audience. I can't sleep at night, bro.

[A]

I'd rather.

[B]

I'd rather make no money be broke sleeping in my mom's house, but I could sleep at night island. And I know that, hey, I'm telling my audience the truth of what I see on the ground. I'll never. Come on.

[A]

Selling yourself to go dance for the.

[B]

For Israeli foreign government, dude, something kids.

[A]

While we're bombing children While we're bombing.

[B]

Children to be heartless and be like, oh, they're on Ozempic. They're getting so much food. They're on Ozipac.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

Get out of here.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Those people are celebrated and they're invited to stages and they speak. They're offered thousands of dollars at all the big conservative conferences. That's how you make it in the game. Yeah.

[A]

If make it, you're not a Hamas sympathizer. Correct. Because that's what they're all going to call you now. Hey, put a bullet in all their heads. Don't get me wrong. Like, it's. It's everybody here. It's not.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. You think we're on a team.

[A]

Yeah. I got. I got no love for Hamas whatsoever. Let's just be very clear. So I got the lighter.

[B]

Julian's got the match. We'll burn the bridge.

[A]

It's like, dude. And my friend Eric Zulager has an amazing line, and I cite it all the time. Time. People are not their governments. And so I always separate the people from what their governments are doing. In the case of the Palestinians in Gaza, it's a terrorist vacuum group. It's not even a government. It's just people that rule them with that. And I also see on both sides how the generational hatred forms. And I don't. I listen. I mean, this ain't saying much. I'm a YouTuber, but, like, I don't know how to say about that. I. I don't know how you remove that from literally, like, the DNA on. In. On either side. I don't know if you do, but it starts maybe.

[B]

It maybe starts like this, man. Just like calling it out and just shame and shame and shaming because it, you know, that's. That's really the only way in a way, in a bit. It kind of happened with corporate media. They got shamed and, like, now they're trying to change it up a little bit and stuff, but I think calling it out for what it is. And you know, to a lot of folks, if you're listening to this, like, if you're following an influencer, you know, just make sure that they're telling you the truth. A lot of these people lie to you because they get to wake up in silk sheets. They're making all the money in the world they could give a F about really informing you. So that. That's where the game's at. And now the politicians, bro, have figured a way to info. Like I said, Imagine you're 22 years old. You know, you got Someone of a decent following. You're traveling the country, you're, you're, you kind of got a little following. The White House sends you an invite, hey, we have an influencer for tweet. You get to meet JD Vance. You go and meet JD Vance. You take the picture, you post it on the gram, man, you know, you think that kid's ever going to hold that government account? No. They're going to follow the messaging. And then now when something happens, the administration knows, hey, just reach out to them, they're going to follow the narrative. That's probably what, you know, happens with a lot of this stuff. So just watch out, man. The game, the game right there is. There's not a lot of guys that really, truly call balls and strikes. I think Julian's like one of the few last left in the podcast game. But yeah, if you know, my thing, bro, what drives me is, is to be a storyteller. And people, you know, like I, like I said, when I hit the ground, I, I covered the groundbreak as soon as the Black Lives Matter Rise started. And right there, bro, I cut to see the difference of what the corporate media was reporting and what we saw. And it happens again and again on both sides. So, you know, right now, man, it just kind of feels like in Minneapolis too, we're watching this like live of PSYOP taking place where the team Blue and team Red are just getting their tensions filled up. And we're almost at that, at that point, man. But yeah, it's, it's this influencer thing, bro. It's gonna crack, crack, crack. So we gotta, we gotta call it out, bro, because it's basically like my, it's the modern day propaganda now.

[A]

Oh, it's 100, 100. And I appreciate you saying that. I don't even blame people in the audience who will say this kind of thing. But unfortunately, because of all the people like this, anytime that you or I give an opinion that someone's going to disagree with, that might be not even an opinion, just like hear out. It's on my show usually it's more like hearing out whoever's there, I become associated with that. And therefore I'm an agent of so and so. I'm paid by so and so. And it's because there are literally people that have that happen all the time that people in the audience, righteously, unfortunately, their heads go to, oh, they must be paid or whatever. And it's very sad. This is what I mean by it dragging down, down on all of us. So that's a good. I'm so with you. And this is why, like, we with each other right away, like when we met a couple years ago, it's like, you know, you just want to go get it, bro. You want to get the story regardless of what it is. Like, if it's bad, it's bad. Let's report on it and let people figure it out from there. And those are the people I do my best to give a platform consistently to and to discuss things with. Doesn't mean I'm gonna agree with you on everything. That's the healthy part about it. But like, let's hear it out and then let everyone else out there decide when you start getting all the money in the way and, and, you know, catering to certain special interests or. And that's the other reason, like with the politicians thing, I've, I've never done that. It's like you kind of lose the moment they walk in the room. Regardless of what you do. You do. Because it's like, why is, why is he.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

Why is he having them in there? You know what I mean? And you know, I, and I, I don't, I don't say this to Virtue Signal at all. So I apologize if it comes across cringy that way. But sometimes I do wish people could, I could wear a GoPro and people could see the things that I turned down back here that would make me a ton of money and would make me a lot bigger than I am. And I know Joe will attest to that. I know Alessi will big time attest to that. And even Danny Gonzalez, who's been on our team for a few months, he'll attest to that. Like, like Danny actually made it. I'm not gonna say what it was, but he made an amazing clip today and it was one I didn't work on him with. It's my fault because I didn't check on him with the content ahead of time. And it wasn't. He didn't purposely take anything out of context. But you make a 50 second clip, the context can be changed.

[B]

Right.

[A]

By accident. And it's great clip. Watch. Time was gonna be insane. It was, it was gonna go.

[B]

It's a banger.

[A]

I. It's gone. We didn't post it. It's never getting posted because it. I'm not gonna say what it was. I'm not gonna say what episode it was. But like, not his fault. He didn't know, but it was gonna say something that was not representative and like, I can't Live with that doesn't mean I don't make mistakes. I have made some massive, massive mistakes.

[B]

If you make content, bro, you're gonna make a mistake. You're gonna follow your face.

[A]

What I don't want to do is know I'm making a mistake, but see dollar signs say, I'll just. I'll make that mistake, and we'll, you know.

[B]

And actually, Joe, I was talking to you about it a little bit off camera, but that happens with influencers, reporters, right? With the dollar signs, you kind of disassociate, but it happens a lot in the. In the mainstream broadcast news, where these reporters, like, disconnect, even from a. From a human element. And what I mean by that is, I remember, you know, just. Just this past year, for folks who don't know, on July 4th is when that tragic news from. From Kerrville happened, where the first news that first came out of Kerville. For folks who don't know, this is about an hour out of San Antonio, small Texas town on July 4, what kind of went viral. First was 20 missing girls in Camp mystic. And that kind of got, like, started hitting Twitter. And no one really, like, wait, what? These girls are missing? There's a. There's a flood. And then obviously, like, the story. The story starts going. Mega rival Chrissy Noam puts a statement on X. Trump's gonna search resources. And I was, like, the first national reporter to get to Kerrville when the info was very fresh. I remember when I got to Kerrville, it was like, Hey, 10 are dead, and we don't know how many are missing. And I remember on day two, I woke up, and I already had that gut feeling of, like, this is gonna be a disaster. Like, like, this is gonna be, like, just horrible. Horrible. This would be major. And I remember I woke up the second day, and it was like, 30 are dead, and we don't know how many are missing. I remember, like, lining up for, like, live shots and. And just hearing how, like, other reporters were treating, like, these missing kids, like, if they were stats, man, and almost, like, gleeful, like, hey, yeah, 20 people are missing. This is it. And just treated them like stats, I hope. Like, it was just like. So I was so disgusted, like, how are you so in love with yourself in the camera? You're not even realizing, like, a human moment of, like, what. What we're in right now. A lot of reporters, man, when, like, these big stories kind of like, Kerville break out, and I hate them. This, for them, it's like this, like, career moment. They like take selfies, bro. Like there's, there's. There's families. They're like take selfies. There's. There's families looking for like their. Their loved ones. And these guys are like taking pictures, posting it on. On Instagram, like smiles on their face and, and like that. I never, never, never want to get to that level. And I remember like when I got to C. I just got that sick feeling and I just like, you know what Hori? I'm going to do this so different, man. I'm going to be super pathetic. I'm going to tell the story through the. The. To the lens of the. Of the Americans family members here. And I'm just not going to be this robot corporate reporting machine that's looking like these people, like they're not humans. And it just. It just changed the. The approach. It was just like disgusting, man. Like that. That kind of was like a real learning moment for me too. Just to like. I don't want to ever reach that level. I always want to be down here. I'd never want to be how these guys are. So that's another thing, man. It's like they get. These people get disconnected from. First it starts maybe the money situation. You kind of. You kind of like not relating to the average American. And then like I said, when I saw that in Curve, I was like, I don't know, I saw reports, man, taking pictures together. I was just like, you are insane. You. I mean there's. People are literally looking for their daughter right now. I mean my dude, my first moment in Curva, I remember I get to a neighborhood and I speak to a neighbor who literally tells me, hey, Hori, like that house right there, that. That. That just the foundation that was an entire family. They just got swept away within two minutes. We couldn't do anything with kids. And then I. And then I remember there was a guy like a Hispanic guy going through the brushes. I was like, who is that? And it was like, hey, that's. That's Gustavo. He's looking for his one. His one year old nephew right now. And I remember like that what was happening in Kerrville. And then, you know, now we find out it was like 120 kids died. Over 160 died. And you have journalists, bro, treating it like if they're covering the super bowl people. So that, that to me is like, yeah, just never wanna, never wanna, you know, reach that, reach that level. And I highly encourage people, like to all. Anyone listening. Don't forget about Curvo, man. Like that was a real powerful event. I. I left, like, not even the same person. After my experience in Kerbero, I was the first national reporter there.

[A]

How many died again?

[B]

Over 160. Over 120. I think. We're kids. I was the first. Yeah. Yeah. I was first national reporter there when Greg abbott did his press conference. So I. Right. Right when the governor did. And then I was the last national reporter to leave, and I just really, really focused on. Yeah, Texas hill country.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's at least seven. Oh, man.

[A]

Yeah. These were the. The infamous floods from last year. On July 4, 2025, destructive, deadly flooding took place in the hill county region of the u. S. State of Texas. During the flooding, water levels along the Guadalupe river rose rapidly. As a result, at least 135 people were killed and at least 117 of them in Kerr county. The flooding was caused by. I. What does that say? Mesoscale convective vortex with enhanced tropical moisture.

[B]

And I do want to say this, though, because, like, we're speaking about everything, about, like, kind of what's going on in the country and the tensions. Like, one thing that the. Obviously, Kirby was a. Was very tragic. Like, one thing that I did take away, though, is, like. And this is what I did love, is, like, so many Americans flooded Kerrville that had no connection to that city. They didn't know anyone and just wanted to, like, help. You had people in there, like, I'm here to volunteer. I don't care. I'm here to pick up trees, whatever. Whatever people need, donate food. And, like, when you're there on the ground, see online, where it's. It's tribal. It's. It's team blue, team red. We're fighting all the time. We fight every. Every. Every issue. But in there, man, you actually do see the true America. Like, real Americans coming together, helping each other out. Like, get it literally getting out the mud. They don't want shine. They don't want the cameras on them. And, like, still, bro, I don't. I don't forget that American spirit. I remember, like, I was, like, working curvy, and, like, this elderly couple came up to me. I'm like, who.

[A]

Who?

[B]

You know, where are you guys coming from? Like, oh, we were. We were in vacation in, like, Sweetwater, Florida. But when we saw this, we just had to come down. We don't even know what we could do, but we're here. And. And so I just want to. People, like, forget. Like, I know we. We focus on all that stuff, but. But, like, when Stuff really hits the fan that team blue, team red, that's Don and, and Americans come for Americans, man. And I, I just remember leaving Curva, like, just super, like, super touched by that. But the stories of Julian don't even sound realistic. I interviewed one lady who like woke up up already, bed floating, looks to her left and her Ford F150 is already passing her by and basically praying to. To God and then hung onto a tree for like 15 hours until somebody. And you hear stories upon that. I mean, the, the amount of fathers that, that, that sacrifice themselves to save kids in their flood. I mean, that, that, you know, So I, I highly encourage people like, don't forget about Kerrville. For me myself, I'm going to be back in Kerville later this year, falling up with all those families. I got like a huge connection to the city now and it changed me. But yeah, like, I just wanted to treat those families with respect, telling their stories.

[A]

You do it. I've seen you cover a lot of stories. I've seen you cover other hurricanes as well. Yeah. You cover some awful tragedies and you do an amazing job of that. And I think.

[B]

Thank you, man.

[A]

You are underlying an important point about the humanity leading first. And that's by the way, not for nothing, like for the media members who do all the cringe. The guy who's like one of the biggest in the world is our friend Brian Enten.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who has the same philosophy you do. You lead. Yes. You have to report the story. Yes. It's not great, but there is an empathy you have to have for the families involved and for the people there on a personal level. So much so that I know you're the same way. Like, he keeps in touch with all the people from these stories. Millions of stories he's covered because. Because it touches them in a certain way. And when you see people who are just competing for the. It bleeds, it leads the fear, the anxiety of some horrible story so they can get clicks and get their face out there. And it is, it's. It's a horrible thing. And it's, you know, let's not exonerate like what I gotta do here. Like, I gotta think about that too. With stuff I may not be. I'm not on the scene like you, which is a whole different level. Level. But when I go to cover a story that's serious and we're doing it like right then. Yeah. There's like this rush of like, oh, like this is happening. We got to get this out. You know, there's that business aspect to it. But I always. Before a podcast like that will take some time and center myself, you know, maybe it's like 10, 20 minutes. And just remember, like, yo, a lot of. I'm not. I can't see it right now because I'm not there. But, like, a lot of people are done dying. A lot of people might die after this as well, right? These are Pete. These are mothers, sons, friends, brothers, whatever it is. And, like, that needs to be. Yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna do this podcast. Right? But that needs to be what's at the lead in the head here.

[B]

And Brian's super good at that, man.

[A]

Like, he.

[B]

He really leads with that. Brian's one of. One of the best in the biz. Always looked up to him. And that's why, like, people all over America trust them, you know?

[A]

Like, that's.

[B]

That's why, like, Brian. Brian just.

[A]

Daddy Brian.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, news daddy, man. Was down in. It was like two. It was like a year or two ago. I remember, like, down in Florida for something, and then, like, Brian came up, and people were like, oh, yeah, Brian's household name here. He's. He's a. He's a killer. But, yeah, it's just. It's just, you know, media is also changing, man. And, like, those stories, I think, are so super important to tell. I think I started getting that feeling when. Back in 2020, during the COVID shutdowns. Me and Sognik, Who. Who. Who you had on the show before.

[A]

My mutual friend with you, the boy sog, by the way, shout out. Out to Sognik Basu.

[B]

Killing it right now.

[A]

He is. Introduced me to a lot of people over the last couple, and just one of the best guys. I've been on his show a couple times, and we've replayed some videos on the channel as well. But Sognik's a great dude.

[B]

And yeah, like, in 2020, when there was a. When all the businesses were. Were shutting down, me, Sonic made a short dog called Takeout Only. We did this beautiful thing, man, where we just interviewed a bunch of restaurant owners, waiters about literally earning nothing during the shutdown and how. How they were surviving. And, like, we focus on that while the corporate. When you turn on corporate media, all they cared about was coveted cases, and they were just playing it like espn. First of all, that is. That's not even like. That, to me is insane. Could you imagine if your grandma dies, you turn on CNN and she's just. Oh, yeah, just another tick.

[A]

A number.

[B]

Just a number. Like, that's the mindset that a lot of reporters were at in Curvo. So we always just had that approach where, like. Like, whatever corporate media is missing, let. Let's find that other angle and let's tell true American stories. And in that process of interviewing all those, like, we're talking about people about to lose everything. Their dreams, everything that they've built. And I remember interviewing one waiter who's making nothing, and he goes like, jorge, this is. This is not even the worst of it. I'm like, what do you mean? He's like. He's like, I got to go home to my suicidal daughter now. I'm like, what are you. What are you talking about? He's like, I got a daughter who's, you know, 10 years old, old, all star in sports, all A's. And, you know, six months into the shutdown, like, she's now cutting herself. She's. She's talking about deleting herself, and she can't look me in the eyes anymore because of social isolation. Like, I don't know what to do. And then that. That kind of started this whole nother thing that means. Did a whole. Another thing where all we did was spend time with kids kind of on that. On that verge and speaking to parents, and we. We got to put something together on that, too.

[A]

So back then.

[B]

Yeah. And then the cool thing, I think I was talking to you about it, Julian, is. Is for my new YouTube channels, I'm gonna do a thing where I'm gonna reunite with all these kids who are, like, on the verge of wanting to harm themselves. And just seeing six years later, like, how life looks now. How do they view the world? How they, you know, remember. You know, they grew up in a time where, like, no high school, no prom, no graduation, probably not working. Like, just everything was shutting down. Politicians telling you, stay home. Stay home. While, you know, Gavin Newsom was cracking wine in Napa Valley, right? And one of the more powerful stories was that is the. Is a braiding family. This is a family who reached out to me. They're from Vancouver, Washington, and their son shot themselves. Shot himself in the mouth with their grandfather's gun and ended up surviving. Had, like, less than a 3% chance to live. Went up to Vancouver, Washington, met the family, told that story. But at that time, I never got to meet. His name is Nick. Nick. I never got to meet Nick because he was already in the icu. So this will. This time around, will be our first time Meeting. But like once again, like these stories, man, are super powerful. Like you got to really put them together. So just trying to shine a light on like those huge stories that corporate media misses and just trying to, you know, kind of get impulse. Like I said, Gen Z, I think is gonna have a massive, massive play in the way they view politics and stuff. It's going to be super fascinating.

[A]

They're going to be the most fascinating generation I think in, in a while because you mentioned it earlier correctly. So what they lived through, I know like when Tyler Oliveira was in here, we were laying it out. But just to repeat that for people, didn't hear episode 363. It's like if you are like the peak agency, right? So Gen Z starts in roughly 96, 97, but you know, even that. But if you're born in like 2000, what is your life? Your life is 9, 11, which you don't even remember.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

A bunch of wars that once you have your first memory. We just had a bunch of people over there and you were getting death toll counts from troops every single day in wars that were going the wrong way for America. The Hurricane Katrina time and then the blow up of the Bush trainee White House at the end when was just completely ruined from every level. You have the financial crisis of 08. So you learned when you were maybe 8 or 9 years old watching your parents lose a job and suddenly they were so stressed and maybe they divorced over it or even something worse. And then you start to realize that like you can't afford basic things because now you don't have any money. And then suddenly all the rich people started recovering on the other side because they had money to put in the fire to be able to actually invest in it. But everyone else got left behind. And then the political divide that formed out of that created this huge left right thing with the Tea Party and the Wall Street Occupy Wall street movement in 2011, which then turns into this 2015, 2016 vortex of like the Trump dynamite in the middle of Washington dc. Then you lived through those four basically reality TV show years that were going on for better or worse. That's not political statement, it's just like what it was that culminates with fucking Covid where you gotta go home. You can't fucking touch grandma if she's in the hospital, let alone go visit her. And you know, you suddenly are disconnected from everyone and you lose some prime years of your life. Maybe it's high school or college, whatever, whatever you're in at that time and then you get out of it. And now the economy doesn't have jobs for you because AI is coming in and suddenly we're talking about getting into other wars while you're having a censorship regime come in with open borders and letting in everyone else and taking care of them without taking care of the people who have been here for a long time. You're pretty fucking off at this point. There's no good there, there is no good that has happened in your life at that point. And the fact that like pundits and people from other generations can't recognize this pattern to see why Gen Z feels some of the strong ways they do is embarrassing because the answers are all right there in front of your face.

[B]

Dude. It's sad. I don't know if we could google it. Joey. I think it's like Gen Z now is like more, more. Gen Z is going unemployed now. It's easier for them to be unemployed, living, living at mom and dad's house and actually like working and trying to survive. I think right now we have like here in the US record number of able bodied men just smoking weed, playing video games, living at their parents house, no desire to get a job. Like this system's crumbling and when you have all these individuals, especially men with no purpose, young men, we're gonna, you're gonna see kind of the, the societal kind of collapse. Go to college. It's majority women going to college. Men are struggling in College, cost what.

[A]

60 grand a year now?

[B]

And they're never look, yeah, see for Gen Zero's work is more depressing than unemployment. I mean this is a recipe for disaster. I mean where's the executive orders for this? Where's the executive orders for can. Is Gen Z ever gonna own a home? I mean I'm a millennial. I'm 30. It's very difficult to find a 30 year old that owns a home. I don't know, it's even, it's even worse for someone in Gen Z. Like I, you know, this is like a disaster. This is to me a huge, huge issue because this compounds the other things because now for life is too expensive for Gen Z to get married. Let's say you're Gen Z, you meet a nice girl, you go to NYU, you're 21, 22, you, you both want to get married, but you're both grappled with the debt. You're gonna have to live in this like super small apartment. You can't have kids really. Obviously, you know, there's nowhere to place family and all of a sudden you're literally just living to survive and your whole life is now just survival mode. I mean, I don't know how you look at this. And don't tell me this is a recipe for disaster. I know in politics we like to fight about all the big headlines, but like, to me, these are those underlying issues where it's about to crack. Top of that, we have a scop in Minneapolis. We got a brewing civil war. It's, it's almost there, man. You know, these protesters, ice. I mean this to me, like if you're Gen Z, I, I, I, I would feel like, how am I going to make it in the game?

[A]

Almost feels, I guess I got to.

[B]

Go to Israel and say no one's starving.

[A]

I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming. Like, it's very land.

[B]

But Jill, you, you get my pulse on this.

[A]

It almost feels like it's a plan. Jorge Ventura.

[B]

Jesus Christ.

[A]

But it almost feels like that's all a part of the plan.

[B]

And then, yeah, rich are getting richer. I mean, both sides don't really care. The establishment, I mean both wings, we, Come on, Joe, we all know the pendulum is going to swing the other way. Hey, we'll give you this and that, but I mean, this is a, like I said, disaster. I don't know if you can find the one, Joe. That article of the able body men I know we have like that to me is there's just smoking weed, chilling at mom's house, no desire, you know, and then, you know, I don't know, man.

[A]

It's.

[B]

Then you got women graduating from college at record numbers where like men are just kind of being left out. I mean, if people think that's a recipe for success for a society, then don't sign me up.

[A]

Something in there that's the most important thing of everything. Though you alluded to the fact that children and reproduction, which is the literal, most basic evolutionary aspect of us as a species, has become, and I understand this sadly a financial decision because people have to look at it and go, oh my God, it costs up, up, up, up to do bup bup bup bup bup, and have pop, pop, pop for a kid. And then what if I can't get a job? And then what if I have to lose my job? And then what if we, we. I can't pay my college debt. Like, yeah. Mike Row warns of troubling trend among working age men. Says trades are the answer that which.

[B]

Ties him and Rose been saying he's like, dude, I Got companies contacting me, hey, I need 10,000 guys to do this. I can't find them. And Rose, like, they're not out there.

[A]

They're not out.

[B]

They're not out there. So, like, think about this. I mean, Julian, if you're a young guy, you're 23, you meet a nice lady, you guys have a, let's say you guys have a kid. Maybe you weren't planning to, but then you do all of a sudden you're literally just working. So your, your child in a daycare. You're not even raising your own kid. Someone else is. And I mean, look, people could say all they want, but like, Mandami won because his social, his media, his messaging reached. That's right, economic message saying, I will give you that daycare. I mean, you could, people might want to make fun of. It's like, well, what's the Republican solution? You're not really offering folks anything. Of course they're going to vote for Mandami. They're fighting to survive. Hey, you'll give me free health care, I'll take it. You know, I don't care if I'll get taxed over here. I'll take, I'll take that any day. So, so that's, I'm just saying that's, that's their viewpoint. And now you can't even like raise a family. United States. Look, I'm, I'm Salvadorian, I'm 30 years old. Like my dad crossed the, like when he came to the border legally. Like, my dad raised a whole. We had a nice middle class life, all on one trucker salary. We weren't, we weren't rich, we weren't poor. We had a nice middle class life in Downey, California. My mom could stay home, she didn't have to work, so she could stay home and raise us. And if you want to go on vacation once a month, month, I mean, once every summer, we could do that. That was kind of like the American dream. Now the dad who's a trucker is maybe killing himself working 18 hours a day. The mom now is probably working two hours a day now. She's not really involved in her kid's life. And then, I mean, I just don't think the whole system is really to raise a family in the United States. It's becoming nearly.

[A]

It's a huge problem and I very much look forward to having kids. Has not happened yet. It will at some point here, and I'd like to have several. I'm gonna have to figure out what Mrs. Julian thinks of that, but you know, like that's, that's something I really look forward to doing. But part of also what I'm doing right now is trying to build a foundation, also to be able to do that and not have to worry about it. And I say that as someone who does not want to give my kids money at all. I want my kids to make their own way and like that, but like also to be able to raise them correctly. And you know, a huge goal of mine, depending on where society goes with the future of our institutions, which I do have to say would be to make sure that like kids have no college debt and stuff like that. I mean, I, I see that and what that is, that was like to me and I couldn't understand it at the time, but like I wasn't an only child by my parents choice. My mom had like 16 miscarriages. She really wanted to have a big family. It didn't happen. I'm the only unlucky, unlucky thing that happened to her. But you know, there are a lot of downsides to being an only child, but there are a lot of upsides to too. And to me now with some age and understanding and seeing where society is, I think one of the biggest upsides that I got, if not the biggest, was the fact that I did not carry college debt. If I had had siblings, I would have had college debt. But because I was an only child, my, my mom would prioritize my education over everything, right? And so, which I'm extremely grateful for. And so to me, leaving college like that, that is essentially in my opinion, like being halfway down the third baseline. So it adds another level to me with like success where I'm saying to myself, like, what the is my excuse? There's no excuse. Like I have that advantage. So like I've been gifted with that. Go take it. You know what I mean? And I shouldn't have to say that, like I should not live in a society where people go and sign something when they're 17 because they got three siblings and their parents are doing their best but can't afford to cover all their education. And then that affects every decision they make about their life over the next 20 years of their life, which stops them from doing the things and pursuing the dreams that they want to do, which is a legitimate issue that happens far too often. And it's not those people's fault, man.

[B]

Dude, that's so spot on. I am so lucky, bro, that I. The only reason I didn't graduate with Any college debt is that Daily Caller gave me a job. I was in community college, and I dropped out.

[A]

I just said it all.

[B]

And I'm hearing some of my friends, I'm like, oh, I cannot relate, bro. Yeah, I'm strapped 30, 40.

[A]

I'm like, yeah, what'd you set when. That. When you went to go get hired by Daily Callers and as an intern, what'd you say to them?

[B]

Oh, this is great.

[A]

So.

[B]

So I got. I got the opportunity to come to D.C. for the first time May 2020. And I meet my. My boss at that time, Richie McGinnis, in front of the Daily Caller Building, Washington, D.C. and I go to reach his. To go shake his hand, and I just look. Shake his hand, and I look right. Right in his eye, and I go, so, Richie, I'm Jorge Ventura. Nice to meet you. I just want to let you know I'm a crazy. Send me anywhere. And Richie. Richie kind of, like, laughs, and he looks at me, goes, I. I like that.

[A]

All right.

[B]

All right. Yeah. And little do we know, man. Like, two days later, the George Floyd. The George Floyd riots would. Would start. I don't know if you could Google it, Joey. If you just put Riot Diet is. Is, uh, Richie's book, but this guy was my boss. But, uh. But, yeah, man. Then every. Yeah, it was. It was, but, yeah, but shout out to Daily Caller, bro. Because of them, your boy dropped out of community college. So I never had to go to UC Northridge. Never had to get a debt. Also, shout out to Daily Caller. At that time, every other company was like, you can get an internship here, but we need you to take the shot, sir. And Daily Caller was like, we don't give a. We just want you to rock and roll.

[A]

And. And Richie was one of the witnesses in the Kyle rittenhouse case.

[B]

Richie McGinness. Yes. And Richie McGinnis was my video kind of boss director at the Daily. Man is a genius when it comes to media, news stories and all that stuff. We hit the ground, me and Richie together in Seattle when the whole Chaz thing started, where they can't create that autonomous zone. And it was so dangerous, because anyone that would go in there and film, they were knocking your lights out. That's why no local reporters are going there, no national reporter. So Richie comes out with this awesome idea. He goes, hey, man, I got it. This is. I'm an intern at this time, bro. This is like my. My boss telling me this. He goes, let's go to the liquor store. Let's buy a Bunch of white claws. Let's get a bunch of cigs, and let's just start, like, ripping white claws. Ripping cigs, passing them out. Let's just act like hippies. And no one would think we're reporters. So my boss was telling me to drink on the job and be a hippie. I'm like, let's do it. So then we started doing that, bro. And it worked to the T. People put their car down, and then we started filming all the disasters that was going on in Resist, Resist. Do all the greatest hits. All cops are bastards. I got that one in there, there. And, yeah, we. We, we, we. We basically became. Now is known as the riot squad, the D.C. riot squad. But we became the first reporters to crack the corporate media narrative on Black Lives Matter. Because when I hit the ground, it was still. The narrative was, this is 100 peaceful. And I hit the ground in D.C. and they were burning up small businesses, assaulting business owners. I watched this. This photojournalist guy get his head stomped. And so I started becoming the first reporter to.

[A]

Oh, yeah, you were there for that. I was a famous.

[B]

I was in D.C. for the very first Black Lives Matter protest to the point they were fighting Secret Service. About 2,000 were outside the White House midnight, fighting Secret Service. They had to put Trump under a bunker. And that was my first. First story. I hit it as an intern. Boom. And then we kind of. We kind of hit it off. So. But Richie is. Is. Is just. He's. He's one of the best in the biz. I highly recommend people to read the book. He was. He was one of the key kind of star witnesses in the. In the Rittenhouse trial. We were on the. On the ground for Rittenhouse. Richie was in front. It's crazy, man. He was in front of the guy, Rosenbaum. So when Rittenhouse shot, Rosenbaum gets hit in the head and drops in front of Richie. And then Richie, like, at that moment, bro, like, your body does fight or flight. It doesn't know what's going on. So Richie took off his shirt, strapped it on Rosa Bomb's head, picks him up in, like, some random truck drives by. They hop in the truck, and then, I don't know if, you know, the guy ends up dying in his arms. And I was. I was there that night, and I remember, like, when That's. That moment went down with Rittenhouse, bro. Kenosha is a small town. When Renhouse shot, people thought that that guys were in cars just lighting up everyone. So when. So people Were running up to me, get in the hotel. They're shooting at everyone. I'm like, what? So I run into my hotel, and I'm trying to call Richie. And, you know, little did I know that, you know, he's dealing with Rosen bomb and. And that whole thing. But, yeah, it's one of the most insane times. And I think one thing that you appreciate, Julian, about. About Richie is. And I won't say who, but a lot of folks on the right wanted him to grift off that and become famous and become like, that guy. And Richie was like, dude, you guys don't get it, man. He's like, real. Real people died that day. It's not something we, like, celebrate. And then what I.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

And then, dude, oh, I got to tell you this, Julian. So then later that. Later that year, because I'm with the Daily Caller, so I'm. I cover, obviously, the conservative for the Daily Caller. I go to AmFest TP USA that year, and there's no rumblings that Rittenhouse was. Was going to show up. Like, no one knows that he was going to come and. Because Rittenhouse kind of has been hiding since the. Since the Kenosha shooting. So is this after.

[A]

I'm sorry, is this after he's found not guilty?

[B]

So this is after he's found not, not, not guilty, right?

[A]

That was November 21st. Yeah.

[B]

So I. I go to, you know, I go. I go to amfest to. To do reporting. Go. Go interview a bunch of congressman for the caller. And, you know, we're. We're in that area where, like, all, you know, the whole crowd's at Rouse shows up. You would have thought. You would have thought Drake pulled up to Amfest. The. The way that those crowds flooded this kid who's, like, 18 year old at the time, who's, I guess, famous for shooting. And I mean, I guess this makes this make you famous. They flooded this kid. Every influencer, conservative with. No matter how big their following was when Rittenhouse stepped in, turned into a fangirl. All the women that were flooding Rittenhouse. Oh, my. You know, people on Live. Hey, my mom wants to say hi to you. You're a hero. And this, that. And then somehow I got a buddy, he got me a backstage pass in Tampa. So I go backstage, and I'm just studying humans, bro, because I'm. I just love to observe. I'm not on the right or left. I. I don't care. But I'm watching how this kid is being propped up, and I'm in. I'm in backstage, and I'm looking at Rittenhouse, and I could see that the moment is too effing big. It's too much. He's, like, exact. He's, like, sweating. He's kind of pacing. Too many. So many people are saying, what's up? It's, like, getting too much. He's realized, like, dude, I'm about to hit the main stage with, like, Charlie Kirk, and it's getting too much. And, like, they finally get on a handler to, like, block off the people. And I'm just looking at this kid. I'm like, dude, he's 18.

[A]

He's 18.

[B]

He's going through so much. And then there was this moment, bro, where, like, Rittenhouse gets to go. He's about to walk the stage. So then I'm like, you know what? Let me.

[A]

Me.

[B]

Let me take a video of this. So I followed him, you know, right shot. You know, I'm taking a shot of just him walking up and hitting the stage. So Rittenhouse walks up, hits the stage, fireworks go off, and I just. You know, I take the video, then I go to X, and I just post, like, a, you know, neutral. Hey, Rittenhouse. Like, the stage at fs, the video goes viral, but both sides take it. The right takes it and goes, this guy's awesome. He's a hero. He's our. He's. He's a Second Amendment guy. So the right takes it. Right, bro? And they. They obviously turn it into, like, this. Rittenhouse is super sick. The left takes my video, and it's like, these guys are psychos. They're celebrating a killer. So they just kind of. They both took my video, bro, And. And took whatever. Political narrators. But what I appreciate, though, at least that time. Bros. Richard was always hiding. He was not looking for clout. He was not looking for fame. He eat, bro. He could have made millions of dollars. Sure.

[A]

Good for him. Him.

[B]

But he. He stuck to just rat, you know? But this kind of goes back to what I was saying, Julian, is some people, bro, when they. In this world that we're in, they just disconnect. Maybe it's the fame, the clicks, something. And they're not even, like, operating on, like, just a human level. And. And Richie was always there. He always stayed center, never wanted anything from it, and was just like. He just thought it was like, I do, too. He thought it was psycho. People wanted. Were invited him to speak about it.

[A]

Yeah, it's crazy. I actually, I. I remember I got Covid really bad when that trial was going on and I read. So it was like a week where I, I had to cancel guests that were coming in. So I had to do a solo. I went and got like those monoclonal antibodies. My doctor was like, go get those. And they like worked really well. But at the, you know, this is like still like peak covet time. And so I had to do a solo episode for the first time at that point in like 60 episodes. It was episode 75 and I haven't like gone back and reviewed that tape but I remember my opinions from it. And then I remember a lot of the commentary I got from people saying ah, something looking at this in a balanced way. And I still stand by what I, what I thought. I really believe I had the right take there. It was like when you look at the case, the kid did act in self defense and you know, not that this matters for proving murder or not. The, the guy that he killed was also a pedophile too, which you know, adds an angle to it. But like his acting in self defense and all that, he also never should have been there. He never should have. A 17 year old shouldn't grab his gun, get in the car, drive across state lines and go try to be a hero at some event, you know, wearing shooter gloves. And in the middle of that. So like I'm like it's wrong that the. I felt it was wrong the kid was put on trial and it was correct that he was found not guilty and he should be a young kid. He, you know, made a mistake of wrong place, wrong time. He should be able to go live his life. Live and let live. Nothing personal but like the whole deification of him over that, you know, that's why I like appreciate Richie's viewpoint on this because you, you know, I'm, I'm sure there's massive PTSD there as well. Like he witnessed a dude, you know, there's a, there's a ugliness to just the human element when something like that happens, regardless of what the motivations are, who does it or why they do it. But like, you know, I felt like exactly as you did. The left is wrong to try to say send this kid to prison for life. That that's just legally wrong. And the right felt, the right felt like again the pendulums, they had to feel like they had to have the opposite response. No, not only is that wrong, he's a hero too, too. And it's just, you know, it was.

[B]

Also signing cuz like after that like you could you could see all these, like, conservative podcast hosts, how they. How they basically had Rittenhouse doing the rounds. And I'm just like, you guys know what you guys are doing. You're just using this kid for clout. Really quick, bro, could I piss? I don't.

[A]

Could do the hell yeah. Cuz I was just going to ask you as well. We'll be back. We got to talk cartels, Iran and a few other things. We'll be right back. All right, we're back. So we. We haven't gotten into like the cartels or like we touched it from a place political perspective, but like some border stuff, which you've done a lot of stories on this and you've also like, you're plugged in in that world. You're the reason Katarina Schultz got on this podcast, which. Thank you for that. That worked out well for everybody involved.

[B]

We got it on.

[A]

We got Ed on as well. Coming back on Ed Calderon. So. And oh, yeah, you got John Norris too. So.

[B]

Boy, dude, John, you know what's up?

[A]

And there's a lot of going on. But right now, you know, I've had some different guys on recently where we've talked cartels. There's some different perspectives because people hear different things. Things. But obviously, especially post the El Mayo thing, Sinalo is having their faction wars. And so that's caused them to lose some power and everything. But right now, with these narco terrorists, as the United States has declared them, you know what. Who are like the power five and what are the. Roughly what are they doing right now that you're hearing?

[B]

So right now my. The. The two big. That. That I'm hearing is. Okay, so, like, this is nothing new, but, like, right now, Sinalo cartel is still involved in their own. Own civil war. So you got like Los Chapitos versus the. The El Milo faction. The. The issue for the El Milo faction is that one of El Chapo's son, I believe, is Ovio. He could be singing really quick. He might. He might. He's gonna have a hearing really soon and he could start to reveal some of the secrets from the other side. So they're gonna. I expect a crackdown. Like, I feel like right now the Sinalo cartel from. From what I'm gathering is at its weakest point of ever, because you have the pressure of the United States. When we started learning about the CIA drone flying. It was flying off the coast of Sinaloa. So you end there in the middle of a civil war. You have also the Mexican administration feeling that pressure from the administration so they're cracking down heavy. What I found interesting to Julian was last year it was the first time that I saw HSI like HS Homeland Security Investigations. Their agents did a cooperation with Mexican forces in Sinalo Low. So they've got, they're gathering talent. So I think S Low is going to fall. It might not fall, not may not fall complete, but they're at a very weak point. We'll see kind of the way way goes and it could splinter to something else. I think people need to forget like just because of cartel falls, it can still splinter into another PARAM military group. We saw that, we saw that with Lozetas. But right now Carto Jalisco never hen is the most powerful, number one. Yeah, CJNG they are now we're learning from the reporting they were responsible for killing, killing the Europan mayor who was like super outspoken against the cartel violence. They infiltrated his inner circles and security guards and they're the ones that came up with the murder. CJNG the reason that makes them powerful as of this moment is that they have dealings with so does Sinalo cartel, but not the way this CJNG with the Chinese chemical makers of the precursors for fentanyl. So right now there's an agreement, agreement with the cartels. Basically the Chinese need Mexican cartels. The access to Mexico. If you actually just even look up China and Mexico's relationships, getting very, very cozy, something to watch for. But they need them for the access to Mexico to then traffic fentanyl into United States. But the most important thing is they need access to Mexican banks. And then Mexican banks need the access to Chinese banks for the money laundering. So right now, when on the issue of illegal marijuana, basically kind of the underlying agreement is the Mexicans are going to let the Chinese run the black market marijuana businesses in the United States. They're essentially going to let them have at it and they're slowly going to get out of that. And that's why the Chinese are flooding the illegal marijuana like crazy, sending money to China through multiple banks. A lot of lawyers are involved, a lot, a lot of phony stuff. Maine is becoming like a hot spot.

[A]

Yeah, Steve Robinson in, he's awesome.

[B]

I was just in Oklahoma again and it's almost 99% are two Chinese. So they're going to have the access to the illegal marijuana market. There's a lot of reasons the Chinese need that because of the black market funding. And also they brought in a bunch of Chinese nationals through the border. Something I was Heavily covering. And the thing is now the Mexicans need that, still need that access to those chemical precursors to keep that kind of drug pipeline alive right now. So that's soup like that, something to, to watch for. So there's a lot of money laundering between the two. What was fascinating, I was just speaking with some authorities in Northern California. Northern California has been infamous with the illegal marijuana with Mexican nationals cartels. But that's come over to almost completely Chinese run. And we're now getting the first reports of these kind of Chinese chemicals finally making it from China through and through Mexico into these marijuana grows. And it's a big deal because all of these grows always had illegal pesticides and chemicals coming from Mexico. These chemicals, you need them to protect the, an, the, the, the plant. So it's a lot of fascinating crossover between the two. Just if you just look at Mexico and China, just like the countries themselves, it's easier, it's getting easier now for Chinese nationals to fly to Mexico without a visa.

[A]

I, I, from my fly to Mexico.

[B]

Without a, yeah, I, I, I, I cover a lot of the, you know, I report in 201 a lot. So I always cross on foot from the San Diego Sana port of entry into Tijuana. And like always, obviously when you cross a port of entry, like all of the signage is going to be in English, right? Because it's like Americans going in now you go and like half of the signage, signage is in Mandarin if you go to Tijuana. I was just in Tijuana like a few days ago meeting with a couple fixers. Half of Tijuana looks like it's in Beijing now filled with Chinese nationals. Mexicali is even worse. Mexicali is like total China now.

[A]

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[B]

Like my Mexico, my reporting is closer, like it follows the cartel. But if I, I always, my reporting is always falling closer to that Chinese Mexican cartel relationship. And how it plays over in the United States. I know other reporters like strictly just follow cartel in Mexico and all that cool stuff, but I'm American, so I got it. I kind of. And I did. The China thing is I was found fascinating because I was the first reporter in 23 to break the surge when they were reaching South Texas. I got. I got a tip off that Chinese nationals are reaching McAllen, particularly by a thousand percent spike. And I was the first reporter to get an actual interview with a Chinese national who told me we're paying cartels up to 35 grand to basically cross through Mexico and into the United States safely. The whole system at flying Ecuador, that already went viral, bro.

[A]

Yeah, you laid that out last perfectly, bro.

[B]

Perfectly viral for us.

[A]

You know what was weird about that clip though, Jorge? So it got to over 10 million in like two days on my channel. And then it got ripped and shared all over the. Yeah, and then it got censored. So it was doing 120, 000 views an hour with a watch time of 110, 111. And I've looked through enough numbers over the last six years to know when things go wrong. And it went down from 120 immediately within two hours down to 200 and being shown to no one, which was very interesting. And what you reported was the whole system to get through South America, across the Darien Gap, all the way up into Mexico, around and to the border to then get on the other side and have this system in place that basically allows us to lose them, where people either become straight up spies for the regime, they get taken into basically indentured servitude to serve on these different weed for illegal weed farms and stuff like that. That or they go somewhere else in the country according to the directions they get, and we never see them again. And maybe they set up base, you know, close to a military base.

[B]

That's. I don't know if we really quick joy. If we could Google like just. Just put like Mexican, Chinese illegal marijuana banks. Like the. The connection to me, bro, is fascinating. I think that's the one thing that's getting super slept on. I know it's always sexy to look at like, oh, Mayo captured in civil wars and they're killing this mayor. That Chinese Mexican connection is damning. And the thing is, was scary with the Chinese is when I was coming across them at the border, they all had this system where they were ripping and burning their IDs at the border. So they're coming to the United States. We don't know who they are. And even if, even if they had a passport, when the United States looks them up, China's not going to share any background information with the United States government. There is. Yeah, here it is.

[A]

How Chinese NETWORKS are using U. S banks to launder drug cartels cash. This is September 2, 2025 from Coron, the brief the treasury department warned last week the Chinese money laundering networks are moving billions of dollars through U. S Financial institutions for Mexican drug cartels, helping enable the flow of deadly fentanyl into the United States. The financial crimes enforcement network advisory and financial trend analysis detail the vital role in quotes that the Chinese networks now play for groups including the Sinaloa cartel and cartel de Jalisco Nueva Generation own cjng, both of which the U. S designated as foreign terrorist organizations earlier this year. Chinese money laundering networks are global and pervasive and must be dismantled. Director Andrea Gaki said in a news release. She urged banks to flag customers suspected of laundering cartel funds.

[B]

And again, and here, Julian, just wrench here, Julian. I've been speaking with some law enforcement folks who obviously they're cracking down on this. They think Trump's rescheduling of marijuana is going to make it actually a lot worse for them. It's going to open up that black market more. It's going to flood. And like I said, the Chinese are heavily involved with the Mexican cartel. I don't know why this, like this little story just can, it's got completely slept on. It's super tied to the legal marijuana. I'm telling you right now, you go up in North Cal, go to Oklahoma, it's, it's dwindling. The illegal marijuanas that are operated by Mexican nationals all going to the Chinese.

[A]

And one of the, one of the ways, one of the early stories in addition to happening, be covering the riots that were going on the second you started at daily collar. One of the early things that helped you break through, that you outlined the last time you were in here was the fact that you were able to track down a bunch of these illegal grows and plants in California and film it and make a documentary with Sognik about it back in 2020, 2021, where, you know, there were car chases and stuff, people trying to get you off armed and like that. Like it's been around and there's no when we got John Norris in here, thanks to you, like, you know, he was onto this in 2003 when he was running Fish and Game. Yeah. Or 2004, got shot in the fucking.

[B]

Knee by the by Mexican nationals, AK47 armed to the. That was in IN03. Then I meet John and then we, we worked on a documentary together. And then John's like, I can't even believe this got a hundred times worse. And the thing is when John was dealing, it was strictly a Mexican problem. When we started doing our document, we started to get the Chinese element in it out of. At that time it was San Bernardino county and it spread. Then I get a call to go to Oklahoma. When I touch on Oklahoma, that's that it was game over. 99% of those illegal girls in Oklahoma Chinese. And you got lawyers getting these guys fake permits. They're smuggling Chinese nationals to work on permits. Yeah, like getting fake marijuana permits. Lawyers. So a lot of like the Chinese government and the ccp, they're basically paying off American lawyers, attorneys to get these fake marijuana permits in Oklahoma. And they're also smuggling Mexican Chinese nationals to work on the girls. They're also smuggling Chinese national women to have sex with the workers. There's some sex rings in these, in these marijuana grows. This is to me one of the biggest stories and I'm talking to a lot of law enforcement. They think the rescheduling of marijuana is going to make this black market like just flood because it's going to make it harder to correct though.

[A]

It makes it harder to how for people out there who see it go from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3, which regardless of what you're going to say next, the fact that it was ever Schedule 1 is insane. However, what is, what is like the, I don't know, science behind the fact that it will make this particular problem so much worse now that It's a Schedule 3 versus Schedule 1.

[B]

So from what I'm hearing from laws enforcement is it's going to be much harder to get a warrant to then rate an operation. And if they do rate an operation, they need to find like hard evidence of human trafficking, weapons or something to tie it to an actual crime. But if they don't, there's just basically it's just marijuana plans and they could just leave. So like in California, what kind of opened up the floodgates is the merit. The illegal marijuana operations were all happening on public land so they'd be happy like Yosemite National Parks. National parks. But when they decriminalized it and then you could basically do it in your home, they basically this is like John told me, like essentially they could use a. Criminals can use a constitution against you because now you need a. It's A whole process, see, then get to that. To that grow. But up in. Like I said, California exploded. It all went up to Northern Oregon, Southern Oregon. And then Oklahoma was, like, never on the radar. Now Oklahoma has a. Has an issue. I know you just had Steve Arbor with the main. So it's getting these other states and, like, all these shit's crazy. Yeah. And then now I think, like, Massachusetts, like, is, like, kind of pulling. Pulling back on the. On legal. Legalizing weed in some. In some areas. But I think this, to me, continues to be one of the most underrated stories. I got to see both sides of it. I got to see the illegal marijuana grow. And then I actually got to be on the border when I saw the tens of thousands of Chinese. Just tens of thousands, tens of thousands. I was the first reporter 2023. I was in South Texas. I don't know if you could go on my ex, Joey. You could just put, like, Jorge Ventera. We could just put, like, Chinese national professionals Search. But, like, in 2023, I was the first reporter to start reporting on the surge in South Texas. We get the. That's where we find out the Ecuador and the price tag. I then get to San Diego to an area called Jacuba Hot Springs, an hour out of San Diego north. And then that's the area that it hit by the tens of thousands. They came in flooding, and then the Chinese were like, oh, yeah, we're. We're crossing in. The cartel is taking care of us. And then we fly to Cancun from Cancun, we fly to Tijuana from Tijuana. Smugglers pick them up, up. They drive them an hour out of Tijuana in an area called Tecate, and boom. Holy majority of migrants I encountered in Jacob Hot Springs are Chinese nationals who travel through seven different countries to the U.S. most Chinese nationals will fly to Ecuador to begin their journey to the US since the South America country does not require travel visas. Click on that. On those pictures of those lines, bro, look clean, clean. Do they look, bro, that they struggled to get through Mexico? No. Now here, they're just waiting to be picked up. That's why they're intense and stuff. But look clean.

[A]

Nice jacket.

[B]

Clean, clean. Look at the women. Clean.

[A]

They brought their masks, too. They're ready to go. That is not.

[B]

See, see, Joy, if I have any other tweets with the word Chinese nationals, like, there should be, like, a crazy, bro, but they just started coming, bro, by the tens of the thou. And think about this, bro. If you. If you're The. If you're the, if you're the cartel. This isn't Chinese, but this is just kind of to point out to people. These are, this is me finding kids by themselves, bro, with notes. So these kids here, they're found, bro with notes. Contact Maria in South Carolina. This is number. Or contact Jose in Wisconsin. This is the number. This is, this is what. This is real life. That's real life. Human traffic. That's real on the ground. A lot of these reporters try to talk about it from a newsroom and caring about that's real me. We encounter that kid. That kid we only encountered because that woman migrant ran to us, was like this baby I just found, he's four, five.

[A]

Did you say two?

[B]

Okay, he's two. This is what I said in the tweet moments ago, we encountered a two year old boy. He's two. Yeah. Unaccompanied minor who was abandoned at the border. According to the micro women who found the boy, he's wearing a makeshift ID with a Louisiana address. We encountered them with a group of Chinese nationals who just crossed illegally into Texas.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

Your boy has seen a lot, bro. And that's like, there's people who talk about it. That's real life. We're, we're seeing the ring. And guess. You know what, Julian, I guarantee you bro, we did. I already know with this book we did follow ups. We can't find them in the United States.

[A]

You know, this is, this is why like we talked about it earlier, I just want to dovetail the point that this is why Trump won the election.

[B]

Keep it right here. Joey, if I could read that one. This is right here. This is May 23rd. I'm the reporter, I get in the. So I say number of Chinese nationals are crossing illegally into the US and are paying cartels up to 30 grand to do, making them a valuable commodity to criminal smuggling groups. Chinese nationals tell us they are flying to Ecuador, begin their journey from there. This is the first wave, like I said in 23, but it hits out because dude, for these, these guys, they've never encountered someone that speaks Mandarin. They're like, what you. Then boom, bro. But then in San Diego, really quick Joey, in, in the search, can we put in my tweets just put the word Jacumba. And I know it's a little weird, but Jacumba Hot springs. Just, just, just take away the Jorge Chinese. That. Yeah. If we just put Jacoba Hot springs. Yeah, I would take out that and just put Jacuma Hot Springs and we'll find a bunch of stuff that I got from that area of its mine.

[A]

Here we go. Majority.

[B]

Yeah, but I got way more tweets on it. Oh, yeah, like happening now. Look at this one, Julian.

[A]

This is a line take.

[B]

Look at this line all happening.

[A]

Where's Moses? They crossing the Red Sea.

[B]

Look at the luggages. Look how clean.

[A]

They got some Tumi bags.

[B]

Look at that.

[A]

That is nuts. That is. That is actually.

[B]

In this shot right here that you. That we're. We're watching. That happened on accident. I'm doing a live shot for News Nation, and I tell the camera, hey, man, I'm gonna go to the gas station. Driving down, looked at my left, Boom. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa. Ripped at you. And. And then these are Indian nationals, I think, at the tail end. But, oh, yeah, look at this, bro.

[A]

This is just one spot.

[B]

And think about this, guys. Cartel. 30 grand. 30 grand. 30 grand ahead. 30 grand. 30 grand. There's a massive connection with the Chinese to, like. I don't know if we could even. I don't know if there's even news article there. Like I said, guys, Mexico and China, they're closing up a relationship with those government here.

[A]

You started this point, though, with the article we pulled up about the comments on the ties between Mexican Mexicans with the Chinese and banking institutions. The part that rings hollow, though, is they talked about directly in there them laundering money for the cartels. And, like, totally agree. This should be called out and stopped and continue doing that. By all means, no crackdown. But maybe no crackdown. Even before that, though, let's say they actually do end up coming cracking down. You did the same thing.

[B]

You.

[A]

You're the United States government. My government did the same thing for these guys. Roll the tape. Episode 290, he'll tell the whole story. I had the guy in here who had to do it, and it's just like.

[B]

It's crazy, bro. Huh?

[A]

What. Who's.

[B]

Who's the.

[A]

What's the Godfather? The peasant. They own the strength. Who's holding that? Why?

[B]

See if I got any more enjoy on the. On these tweets. This is crazy, bro, to watch these again. These are just. Just guys, these are all people in your country right now, and they're. They're all here chilling.

[A]

Oh, yeah, because they're allowed to keep going after this. They don't get arrested.

[B]

And you got to remember. Oh, yeah. So here, bro, I did a thing where all these are armed smugglers, bro, that were just. Just flooding the zone. I mean, flooding.

[A]

Those are Armed smugglers. Yeah. On the other side.

[B]

Yeah. So I say armed smugglers and SUV drive groups of migrants right up to the border and guide migrants through open gaps in Jacob Hot Springs, California. It's one of the most dangerous areas along the border in Mexico, where the desert is filled with unsolved murders. I also went to the other side to. To do the reporting. We headed to the location embedded with Mexican. I had to go with Mexican military, bro. I couldn't be there. And we set up a. A kind of command center at one of the open gap maps. Yeah, I had it going. Look, right there, bro. I go embedded with these guys, it's like, yo, dude, they're gonna shoot you. There's our motorcycle guys.

[A]

What were those guys saying? What was their take on the Mexican military? What was their take on all this?

[B]

Oh, they felt like they. They were like. They're like, dude, it's like the cartels basically just ramping us up. Like, basically that. My. All those maggots, bro, is. Is everything up for. For all these guys? So, you know. Yeah, I think the only American journalist, bro, that traveled to. To Takate and reported from that open gap, I mean, right there is. We're. We're in hot zone central right here. I mean, we could get lit up.

[A]

What is. What is the. Because even that banking article specifically alluded to the fentanyl. We've been talking in mostly in the context of, like, the illegal weed grows and stuff like that, but we also know, you know, it's not like 15 years ago or something. Like, I get nervous about this for my future kids if somehow. Hopefully it's not, but this is still a problem. It's like, if they go to get handed a joint when they're 14, does it have fentanyl sprinkled in it or something? Like, what. What. Have you seen any stem of the flow of fentanyl as a result of Trump coming into office?

[B]

So when it comes to the flow of fentanyl, this is. This is the difficult thing, is it looks sexy to say, like, we seized this amount, but at the end of the day, do. 90% of the fentanyl is still coming in through the port of entry.

[A]

So it's through the port of entry.

[B]

Yeah. Still make it to the US super easy. Yeah, it's very few that's. That's in these open gaps. I know it looks sexy on movies and sometimes the news plays it, but 90% of that fender is coming in the cars.

[A]

So what do they do? Put it in coffee containers and all Types of stuff.

[B]

I mean, they have all types of hidden ur, but the number one is that they're just bribing the U.S. border Patrol, whoever port of entries are.

[A]

So like, that's the number one way they're doing.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[A]

Because they're bribing border patrol.

[B]

So border patrol kind of gets an alert like, hey, this red Tacoma, you know, and they'll let it pass. And it has, that's life in prison. And it has life in prison, Fenton. And like I said, bro, there's, there's, there's a huge, huge connection. And a lot of the, the precursor chemicals, it's making it through the ports of Mexico. So they're hiding in different trailers and shipments. I reported a little bit on it. But it's also like there's a, there's this valuable fish that, that these guys want the, the Toa fish. And it's like, it's also being illegally smuggled through those ports of Mexico. It's like, it's called like to Toa fish. It's like this rare fish that, that is being like that. Like the Chinese just absolutely love that the cartel's smuggling for them. So I did a little bit of reporting on that when I was with News Nation. But, but these chemical precursors, all those ports of Mexico are getting flooded with them. Guys obviously looking the other way. U.S. border Patrol on the borders looking the other way, they're also flooding like the, the ports in, in Canada. Because in Canada they don't even have any really systems.

[A]

Oh, Canada's.

[B]

Fuck yeah. Canada's fucked. So they don't even have any systems to check here. Mexico, you just have corruption. I mean, the guys at the port look the other way also. I mean they'll probably get killed if they say anything. But U.S. border Patrol officials, bro, for sure they're getting bribed up. Know this from insiders and like, yeah, look at the way, hey, this Ford F150. Yeah. Don't say, okay, Jose Gonzalez.

[A]

Yeah, that's, that's life in prison. If, if you get caught doing that.

[B]

People think like, I, I, I could totally get like, if you don't follow the news, like as an American, like, oh yeah, like, you think Fentanyl, you think guy big bundle, backpack goes through the Rio Grande.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Y, Y crosses, does that happen? Sure. But it's very like we're talking about 10 to 5%, but the 90 is through those port eventual.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

And we have the, Come on, Julian. We have the best. We're the United. We have the best technology in the goddamn world.

[A]

That's what I'm saying, dude. A dog. I mean, just start with forget the technology. Get some German shepherds out there. Get the party started.

[B]

Like, I mean, dude, you talk about that hoarse board. You don't think everyone in that palace supportive entry is bought? Come on, man. Come on. We're talking about the Horus Cartel, bro. They got these guys on, like. And it. Maybe it's not even always bought, bro. Maybe just it's one of those B traders. Maybe you just send them a. A picture. Picture of your. Of his mom's house.

[A]

Hey, bro, play the game.

[B]

Play the game. You know, don't be a hero. Yeah, don't be a hero. Don't. Don't think you're gonna be Captain America. Just play the game and everything's gonna go smooth. You'll be able to sleep at night.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Mama will get touched. But it's that game on the border, bro.

[A]

That's. That's.

[B]

That's because when I report, bro, like, a lot of these Texas DPS guys on, like, Texas DPS guys cannot put a foot in Mexico. It'd be a death sentence. I mean, they. They got probably so much information on those guys, but if they.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Talk to any guy. Texas dpa, you. You vacation Mexico. Hell no. Like, it's. Yeah.

[A]

So, like, do you ever worry about people coming after you?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Especially. But when we did the documentaries and we were falling like that heavy, we got real hairy situation. Especially when I was with Sognik. I mean, which cartel it'd probably be more connected to the Ceno Low, when we were reporting out of the Southern Cal. So it's extremely dangerous. And like, I mean, the. The border I was super worried about, bro, because it. I mean, I mean, anything could happen. I go to Mexico a lot. I did a lot of reporting in Mexico.

[A]

Yeah, I could see over there. That kind of goes without saying. But I'm saying, like, when you're walking around here in the United States, you worried about blowback from Caloa?

[B]

Oh, a little bit. Yeah.

[A]

Pissed off. Yeah.

[B]

Especially with the. With the Chinese connection, bro, because you don't have too many reporters kind of digging that. That angle. I think a lot of reports, they fall in love with the sexy headlines of cartel report. I mean, it. Credit to everyone that does it. It's just that, like, you know, I'm an American at the end of the day, and like. Like, at the end of the day, CCP is an enemy of us. And it's just like this Is all weird. Not weird, but it's just like, how it happened. And like this co. Like I said, bro, like, even just crossing the port of entry on foot, like, why is now half the signage in Mandarin? I go to Tijuana, you go grab a drink at like, the party. Why is. It's all Chinese nationals. Mandarin. You speak to the locals. Like, they're like, yeah, they're flooding us. Go to Mexicali. It's basically Beijing. Beijing. I mean, and they're. The thing is, you think Chinese are coming to Mexico because, like, they like Mexico. No, there's a. There's that bigger picture with. You know, and obviously. And I. I've seen you coverage, you know, like, they're set up next to our military. All this weird stuff. All these. They'll be like. Like, when I remember it was a few months ago, bro, Trump was like, oh, we're Gonna welcome in 600, 000 Chinese students. It's like, you do know that these students are getting caught for espionage? And. Yeah, maybe not all of them, but come on, man. Like, let's.

[A]

Yeah, you want to talk about people threatening families and stuff? Stuff. Before they sent here. They're like, you like your mom, you like your dad, Good. Go to the United States, go to this college and report back. So, I mean, those people are all they live under again, separating people from their government.

[B]

I don't know, Joe. You want to just. Just put like, Chinese student espionage and there'll be like 10 different stores, dude.

[A]

Oh, there's a lot more than 10. It's like, there's some people that are true believers and them scumbags. But, like, there are a lot of people that. It's like, yo, you're. You have a duty to the CCP to do this, and if you don't, don't. Bye, bye family. And then they come here and they spy.

[B]

And then, dude, I'd be on the border and like, why does every Chinese national across. Why are they all destroying their IDs all burnt, destroying any identification. Their WhatsApp groups are very, very organized. I remember when I was, you know, they would get caught, not get caught. They were being apprehended by border patrol, then they would be released in three days. When they were released in San Diego, I would. I. There's. They would have their own Chinese drivers waiting for them. Because in the area that. This is kind of funny, in the area that I was in then, it was all these, like, Somali immigrant taxi drivers. And then they were. The Somalis were getting pissed because all the Chinese were setting up their own taxi drivers. And what was interesting is when the Chinese nationals met their taxi driver, first thing that driver always did hands them a cell phone in exchange for money. So like they'll probably have a pesos or I don't know if they have Chinese money, but it's probably pesos. And they would get US dollar. And then all those Chinese nationals were getting driven in taxis all the way to lax. They actually wouldn't fly to San Diego airport, don't know why, but they would go to lax. And then from LAX they fly to another part of the country.

[A]

And they had, they had directions on this. This was actually one of the things when Nick Shirley was here in June 2024, he had physical evidence which, which was pretty compelling that he had recovered at the border of Mandarin directions that were recovered on, on some of these Chinese nationals coming in that had literal directions of how to game everywhere to go. Like that whole Darien Gap thing and whatever. I believe it, correct me if I'm wrong, go back and review that episode. It might have even started with their early, like where to fly into in South America. But at the very least the directions, once they were getting to the border and what to do and then what to do when they get in there and then using our legal rights that we're giving them against us to be able to basically disappear into the system. They had full go here, then go here, then report to this, this court system. They'll give you a date, then leave there and go here.

[B]

It was insane in Colombia, bro. I saw one of those like. So in Colombia they had like Chinese hotels work to stay. In Colombia all of them had the directions of like when you cross the border into, into Mexico, like which, which waiver was going to get them to Cancun and then from Cancun go straight to Tijuana. Tijuana, they already had the driver and just rinse and repeat. Like, I mean I'm. This stuff to me is like it has to be a bigger deal. But the, the, the. That, that like I said that Chinese Mexican connection is something to, something to watch for. And I think that to be honest, Julian is going to keep CG very much alive and could also basically be funding maybe a paramilitary fight with the United States because they have, they got it to know that that moment's. It's going to happen somehow.

[A]

Right? So you're saying the United States, obviously we've already declared them narco terrorist groups so that, that gives us some extra abilities to attack them. But, but in order to say the attack is validated, are you saying that adding the angle of the fact that the CCP is directly working with say the CJ&G that I think just with.

[B]

The foreign terrorist declaration, they already have the leeway because now Trump doesn't need to go to Congress.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I mean I don't know if they'll, if they'll tie it to the ccp, but it's like, you know, so I feel like right now if you're, if you're the cartel, at least with never had her son, you're using all this money, you're bankrolling it, you're getting more guys from the Mexican military because remember these guys are paramilitary guys and they could possibly getting ready or gearing up for a potential fight with some type of U.S. special forces. You know, who knows what that's look.

[A]

Like and what is so this article de investigating investigation Undercovering Chinese Academic Espionage at Stanford. This is from May 2025 in the Stanford Review. This summer, a CCP agent impersonated a Stanford student under the alias Charles Charles Chen. He approached several students through social media. Anna, a Sanford student conducting sensitive research on China, began receiving unexpected messages from Charles Chen. At first, Charles's outreach seemed benign. He asked about networking opportunities. But soon his messages took a strange turn. Charles inquired whether Anna spoke Mandarin, spoke Mandarin, then grew increasingly persistent and personal. He sent videos of Americans who had gained fame in China. China encouraged Anna to visit Beijing and offered to cover her travel expenses. He would send screenshots of a bank account balance to prove he could buy the plane tickets. Alarmingly, he referenced details about her that Anna had never disclosed to him. He advised her to enter China for only 24 to 144 hours, short enough, he said, to avoid visa scrutiny by authorities and urged her to communicate exclusively via the Chinese version of WeChat, a of platform heavily monitored by the CCP. When Charles commented on one of her social media posts asking her to delete screenshots of their conversations, she knew this was serious. Wow. Under the guidance of experts familiar with espionage tactics, Anna contacted authorities. Their investigation revealed that Charles Chen had an affiliation with had no affiliation with Stanford. Instead, he had posed as a Stanford student for years, slightly altering his name and Persona online, targeting multiple, multiple students, nearly all of them women, researching China related topics. According to the experts on China who assisted Anna, Charles Chen was likely an agent of the Chinese Ministry of State Security MSS tasked with identifying sympathetic Stanford students and gathering intelligence. That's.

[B]

Bleak Red. It's Bleak.

[A]

It's definitely a little bleak. And this by the way, this is what I'm talking about earlier. And, and like this is one of the places with like the anti Israel crowd that drives me nuts. Everyone talks about them paying for trips for people to come kiss the wall. Can we talk about that with the nation with the second highest GDP in the world? Okay, like, like, like talk about all of it. Don't not talk about that but like don't select. This is why I say to both sides of the issue, don't selectively ignore the thing like if you're about America, don't selectively ignore the things that are bad for America regardless of where they come from. And like everyone wants to see us fall, bro.

[B]

Everyone. Everyone. Yeah.

[A]

Name a country that that like wants to not see us fall. Maybe the UK I don't know about that these days, you know what I mean? And, and it's no disrespect, I'm not saying the people want that. I'm saying governments and espionage organizations people. Right. And some places there are people that actually do.

[B]

So we'll see, you know Julian, this year like I said, said like I, I, I, I believe like U S capacity, we'll see it in Mexico whether they'll get shine bounds approval or not, they're going to find a way, they're going to bypass Congress.

[A]

Why haven't they done it yet?

[B]

You know that, that, that's a, that's a good question. I think Mexico's just posing that, that, that different challenge because they're our neighbor because we also have these type. I mean we have millions of Mexican Americans in the U.S. it's a different kind of animal. But who, I mean and I don't know why they haven't done it but they're already flying CIA in there. They already put in HSI investigation guys went into Sinalo which I thought was insane. I've never seen.

[A]

Yeah, what does that look like?

[B]

It was, I don't know if we could google it or, or if it's on X but it should be like put like HSI Sinaloa. Yeah, it's a fascinating that they, that the Mexican military allowed this US Feds arrest.

[A]

Nah, no, not that one.

[B]

It's, it'll be, it'll be from like their, the chpc. Yeah, I don't know if we'll still have it but it was like crazy.

[A]

As best as you can remember it and we'll forgive you if you miss a few details like what, what was the gist?

[B]

Basically hsi, obviously, US Special agents went in with Mexico with Mexicans, and they. I think that might be one. But they basically dismant. Yeah, that's it right there. They dismantled, like, three synthetic fentanyl labs in Caloa, but, like, look at it. Wasn't even hsi. They let ICE in their Mexico dude. So it's like, you have ICE in Mexico, hsi, you got CIA drone. We probably got a few Chaos agents running around Kis Schoolo from. I mean, from the CIA. You probably got, like, Mexican nationals that they're probably using. So, and then Shine Bomb's cornered here. You got an aggressive Marco Rubio, you got an ultra aggressive Stephen Miller, you know, who's like, cracked down on these drug cartels. So it's like, for your. If you're shy bomb. That's why Shine Bomb, I think, is panicking. She's turning over as many cartel leaders as she can. She, like, went over. She, like, bypassed some of her own legal jurisdictions to, like, release. I believe it was, like, 27 drug leaders and then take them to the United States. So she's, like, panicking. No matter how much fentanyl they seize. What's even, like, the level of success for the United States, you know, so she's. She's scrambling. And you got Marco Rubio right behind Trump's ear, like, go, go, go, go.

[A]

What is a. So I guess one aspect is what you've been pointing out today. You could see, like, drone attacks or something like that. I mean, we're really playing hypotheticals here, but if you're Claudia Sheinbaum and the US Goes ahead without your approval, and, you know, drone strikes areas of your country and, like, a few civilians die, not even like, 300 or something like that, but a few. Like, a few human lives who are not in the cartels are bad, you know, Is that an economic shutdown event? Because, like, all trades stop. Like, what does she do?

[B]

And then. And then the other thing, what does it do to the immigration debate? Because if you're a Mexican national, the US Just did a CIA drone. Brahmin, a cartel. Can't you just run into the US Government and apply for asylum and get. Because you're technically escaping a foreign terrorist organization. So it's like, I don't even know. You know, there's so many.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Kind of element. You know, that's one thing that Ed kind of brought up to me when I spoke to him previous. Like, hey, hey, man, don't, Don't. Don't forget, like, what. You bomb them and Then like if you're a Mexican national, can't you just automatically get asylum in the US you're technically fleeing this foreign terrorist organization that the US is technically at war with. So there's so many little elements. We'll have to see how it plays out. Like I said, just from my, from all the plays we're seeing, there's no way we do not see some type of US military operation. I don't know, like I said, might not look like the whole GI Joe guy comes down a helicopter, M16 Rambo. It might look more CIA. It might look more like we're learning more from the Venezuela attack where they have the. Looks like they have that Havana syndrome weapon, the sonic boom, which I thought it was BS when it's first reported, but it seems like it's not.

[A]

Like I don't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I will say this. I'm gonna slide this across to you. I can't show this on the screen for obvious reasons, but I do not think that's B.S. take a look. This is from. Oh, see, see that right there, the car blown out. Scroll it, keep scrolling over. That's from the ground. You'll see one with like three cars like totally blown out, like almost stopped in time. See that?

[B]

These are intense, bro.

[A]

That's from the, that's from the immediate aftermath. So I, I don't. Yeah, that one right there that, you know, I'm sure Lockheed's got a lot of things but. But you know, some. Something's going on. On.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So Christian, the Venezuelan, my long time editor, who's my boy, lives right there. So he saw the helicopters come above him. They went outside and like watched like. And they were like cheering up on the hill because they're like holy. I think they're taking out Maduro or whatever. But he saw like. I don't. I'll have to ask him because we, we talked about it but you know, I don't know if he likes all a sonic weapon or what that would even look like, but definitely some was going on there.

[B]

Yeah. So like the thing is I think it was like 60 minutes back, like 10 years ago. They, they reported like this sonic boom was used on US officials. And I'm, I was thinking like, oh man, this has got to be made up by the US Government, like to push some. Something and then I, it's coming out that it's, it's legit. They, they recovered, has some Russian components. The DoD I don't know if really quick joy we could, we could Google that Havana Syndrome. I know, I know. The DOD was testing it for. For about a year. I don't know.

[A]

They've tried to deny that their own people are. Who say it's real. They've tried to deny that it's real. It's been like a controversy. Like, you know, there's a guy like Mark Polymoropoulos who had to retire. That's just one example. And like the government's like, oh, no, it's not. I don't know. It's. It's very sketchy.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Go down on this joke because I believe that the Department of Defense was testing it for a year before.

[A]

Okay. The Defense Department has spent more than a year testing a device purchase in an undercover operation. That's. Some investigators think could be the cause of mysterious ailments impacting us. Wow. Spies, diplomats and troops that are colloquially known as Havana Syndrome.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So they.

[B]

So basically, Julian, I remember like back in 2016, they paid eight figures for the device.

[A]

It's an undercover like state. Whoa.

[B]

Yeah, keep reading it, bro. Yeah.

[A]

Division of the Department of Homeland Security. Homeland Security investigations purchase. HSI purchased the device for millions of dollars in the waning days of the Biden administration using funding provided. Provided by the Defense Department, according to two of the sources. Officials paid eight figures for the device, the people said, declining to offer a more specific number. Device is still being studied and there's ongoing debate and in some quarters of government skepticism over its link to the roughly dozens of anomalous health incidents that remain officially unexplained.

[B]

So apparently, I guess a bunch of US officials in Cuba reported all these injuries and they like couldn't, Couldn't put a. Like they just didn't know how happy it unexplained from. And I thought it was bs, bro. But then after this Venezuela thing in this. I'm like, oh, that's exactly.

[A]

There's some of it that fit. Like I, there's qu. Some people that have talked, I'm like, I don't know about that. And then other people, I'm like, why do I kind of believe that? You know, I, I don't know. I'm. I'm open minded on it, but that's, you know, you talk about how they would do this in Mexico if they got creative. There is a guy that I want to have in here, here, who watches the show because he literally comments sometimes it's a little scary. You know, my theory with like CIA guys and stuff is for everyone else, I want to have them right there. Right there with the mics on and everyone else out there can hear what they have to say. Put it out there for three hours and, you know, see what they reveal. Right. Because we obviously have to be very skeptical of anything someone like that says they're still working for the government. Like, what's their motive? People in the comments are absolutely correct to question all that when I see that. But, you know, I'm selective with. With who we bring in. Matthew Hedger was interesting because he was a knock, which you never get those guys on podcasts. This guy I'm thinking of is a knock as well. And his story is that. And, like now. So Luis Navia, the former smuggler for, like, all the cartels, like, the chief international smuggler was on episodes 221 and 222wild. He's connected to this guy. And essentially this dude started an organization with like, three other former spooky people, like, six years ago after they left the government.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And you know, just magically they show up in all these third world countries and six months later, boom, new leader. You know, like, they just happen to be there and the leadership changes. So it's like one of those. But he became a knock because he was a bartender, basically dating the niece of I. Was it the Gallardo brothers or the Felix Arellano brothers? One of them in the early cartels and CIA approached him and said, hey, you have access. And we've also spied on you. Like, you have a lot of good skills. You'd be great to be a spy. He's like, no, no, no, listen, I'm sure those guys are doing bad things, but, like, I'm dating the niece and I'm not a rat. Like, I don't. I'm not running investigation for you. And they're like, investig. What do you mean, investigation? We don't want you to investigate them. We want you to join them. They're useful to us. And this guy spent the next three decades and longer than Matthew Hedger inside the cartels from the earliest days, building it. There is no one. He's a paramilitary expert. He became, like, serious over there. The guy's like, in his early 70s, 70s, built like a house, apparently. But there's no one, I think, who would have a better idea who definitely still works for the government as to what it could look like on the ground if some sort of option were taken. And I'm really right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I haven't talked to him about doing one in a while because it was his idea to do one. And Then it didn't happen. But I. I think I might have to do that.

[B]

You got to bring him in. And then I think this, this right here, like, I'm sorry, but if you're a cartel guy and you see something like this, they ain't got nothing for that.

[A]

So focus on the threat. Direct. Oh, direct energy weapons.

[B]

Yeah, they ain't got nothing for that. They ain't got nothing.

[A]

I don't know if they're stopping that one. Best of luck.

[B]

Best of luck to you, pal. Amigo.

[A]

But on another note, maybe a more important note, we going to Iran. What are we doing? What's happening?

[B]

We're bombing it. We're bombing. Can we pull up the statement today? Joy from. It's never gonna stop. All right, this is the other thing here, Julian, is there's so many things that play is like, yes, the regime is like killing people live ammunition. There's all these things going on. Yeah, we got, we got Trump now wanting to go in there. Lindsey Graham is. Got a hard on. And then this, you know, at the end of the day, like, Israel has Mossad probably, like, infiltrating these protesters, causing a little bit of the chaos. There's just so many elements at play, but it's like, dude, how many regime changes can we do under one administration? I mean, I don't know how healthy, man. But Trump seems pretty adamant. He's been like, doing the threats. He's, he's, you know, he seems pretty adamant that they're. They're going to do this thing.

[A]

It is a whole different cultural implication, as we said earlier, than Venezuela. This is a different beast. That's what I'm saying about the 3rd, 4th, 10th, 40th and 100th order effect of something like Venezuela. Now you get a big dick and you're like, well, it. Let's just take Iran too. That is not the same thing by a long shot. You now got Sunni and Shiite, Iranish. You got Sunni and Shiite issues in the region. You got people in the region who are Arab and automatically, even before two years ago, like, just hate Israel. And anyone allied with them, you could create. And they're also allied with the East. We're talking China, Russia. This is a fucking. And. Yeah. Dangerous.

[B]

This one's a power kick. Yeah. This one's very, very big deal. Oh, my. Yeah, just the security forces. And it's also interesting just how things play out in media. I mean, this one's. This story gets a little more of the. That positive reception. We'll see. Look Trump on standby. Come on. This is our Mr. Yeah.

[A]

And listen again, I want to be very clear. The Iranian regime's awful.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

And I am so rooting for their people, people to do it from within and handle it their way. Right. And I believe, I know it's been a long time, I believe they can do that. So many people there want to see that fall. That is not the issue. Where it becomes an issue is if big Dick Trump decides to come in and do it himself and insta. Yeah, because that will create.

[B]

You wanted. Oh and it was interesting actually Joe, because I've been speaking when you know, you know, kind of bring to the, to the Venezuelan one and you know, people like, oh yeah, we don't like, you know, under Biden, they try to make that guy Juan Guido as a president. They try to kind of prop him up. And I was speaking to some Venezuelans on the ground about this. They're like, look Corey, we don't like Maduro, but if you put, you put Juan Guido, it's gonna be worse because we know he's a direct puppet of a U S. Western government. And that's how Iran's probably gonna look at this. I mean, sure, they want to overthrow the, of the regime, but like if it's not organic through their people, which I mean, is any uprising organic now? But you know, they're gonna, the next guy they install they're just gonna view as oh, you're just literally a puppet of the, of the U S. Government.

[A]

Yeah, it's a great point. There's no, there's no uprising in modern human history that's been 100% organic. Like there are forces that certainly help cause it, but it's a whole nother step when there's bombs and helicopters coming in and actually full blown straight up, everybody knows installing, you know, like I don't have, have, I have an issue with how we handled the aftermath of the Soviet Union falling and things that were preventable, mistakes that we made that have now made that relationship not great 30 years later. But like I don't, that's where I don't have a huge issue with say CIA on the ground working sources to help move this thing along without actually going in there with boots on the ground and installing all their own people and like that. That's where it's like supposed to work now. It's, it's, it's still dirty, but like the world's dirty. That's how it is. You got to accept that this, if it's Going to be something needs to be that and not that's going to be a big problem. And people aren't going to like that.

[B]

So supposedly J.D. vance is the one who's trying to like, get a diplomatic agreement. And then Mark, the Marco Rubio camp's a little bit more aggressive. I'm sure Lindsay Graham is like behind. Oh, he's Trump's here. Let's really quick, Joy. I don't know if there'll be a mainstream article on this, but let's just put Google, like Mossad in Iran. I mean, we'll see mainstream has anything on this.

[A]

They would never be there. Mossad in Iran. So this is from Al Jazeera.

[B]

Al Jazeera, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Where people yell at us. We will disclose. But Iran accuses foreign intelligence of being behind protest movement. Israel's covert operations in Iran spark allegations of destabilizing protein. And you know what? I have, Yeah, I have no doubt about that. And like, you know, are you surprised? Like, this is, this is what they want now.

[B]

I saw, bro, I don't know if did I get sad, but that, that viral kind of image with like the girl smoking the cigarette and burning the poster. They're like, oh, that's not even from Iran. And I'm like, is it? So I don't.

[A]

Well, that's the other thing. We have to watch where things are from. And AI. I mean, the fog of war.

[B]

Yeah, the AI now is like, it's so scary.

[A]

But, man, I think I, I, hopefully we'll be all right. This is, we're recording this on Thursday. I think this is going to come out Monday. So if there's a little update on Iran. Sorry about this last seven minute segment.

[B]

There, but they could already be bombs away by the time.

[A]

Oh, my God, Jorge, I'm so happy for you, man, that you're on your own doing your thing. Congratulations on going for it. You're gonna do great. You're one of my favorite people to talk with. So we'll do this again when you're getting some good stories. You just let me know. I'll get you right in here.

[B]

All right. Nice. Thank you, brother.

[A]

All right, everyone, go follow Jorge on X, check out his new YouTube channel. There's going to be great content coming there as he's already outlined today. And I will see you guys for the next one.

[B]

Peace.

[A]

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