Julian Dorey Podcast Episode #381

"Lying SCUM!" - Julian ERUPTS on Epstein Files, Elites & LIARS
Date: February 7, 2026
Host: Julian Dorey
Producer/Co-host: Joey Dave

Overview

In this searing episode, Julian Dorey and co-host Joey Dave dive into the explosive content of the latest Jeffrey Epstein files. They meticulously dissect newly-released, verified emails and communications between Epstein and some of the world’s most powerful figures, highlighting what they see as layers of lies, projection, and elite complicity that continue to protect and enable abusers. The tone is raw, unsparing, and at times furious—especially as Julian confronts what he views as deliberate obfuscations from the political and business elite, media, and even fellow commentators.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Latest Epstein File Dump: Context & Verification (01:21–03:53)

• Scope and Significance of New Files:

  • Massive new batch of emails, photos, and videos released pertaining to Jeffrey Epstein and his network.
  • Julian notes that while some screenshots online are fake, everything they will discuss has been painstakingly verified.

• Bipartisan Push for Full Transparency:

  • Shout-out to politicians like Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie for demanding the full unredacted files.
  • Ongoing political resistance to full disclosure, with Julian expressing anger over redactions that protect the powerful but not victims.

• Caution About Misinformation:

  • “There are a lot of fake screenshots floating around... But, some of the ones that you would think are fake screenshots are actually very real.” (02:17 — Julian)

Deep Dive: Elon Musk’s Communications with Epstein (03:53–19:02)

• Elon Musk’s Emails (2012–2014):

  • Multiple back-and-forths with Epstein, including party invitations and apparent personal rapport.
  • Example:
    • "What day/night will be the wildest party on your island?" — Elon, 2012, years after Epstein’s conviction. (07:08)
    • Elon consistently responds rapidly and personally, unusual for someone of his public stature.

• Julian on Musk’s Public Positioning:

  • Points out that Musk’s public calls for transparency could be “projection” and PR defense:
    • “There is potential... that is some projection and some trying to, like, be like, yeah, I support criminal prosecutions, therefore I could never be a criminal in this.” (05:36 — Julian)

• Significance of Patterns:

  • Epstein’s “very needy” tone with Elon (e.g., "Will you take a break, April?") shows he targeted Musk as a “top-tier bullseye.”
  • No proof Musk visited the island, but clear discrepancy with Musk’s past claims of little/no contact.

Other Notable Figures Named in Files (11:54–14:03; 49:58–58:00)

• David Stern (Former NBA Commissioner):

  • Multiple meetings and emails, including coordination during the Ukraine crisis (2014).
  • Julian: “David Stern went back and forth with him like crazy, bro... meeting him at his house.”

• Palantir, Peter Thiel & Ehud Barak (Israel):

  • Email/audio segment of Epstein encouraging Israel’s former PM to join Palantir’s board; significant links to Israeli intelligence and U.S. tech (51:47–55:06).
  • Palantir’s connections to both U.S. and Israeli intelligence services are explored.

• Peter Thiel’s Correspondence:

  • Chillingly casual exchanges about the island and massive wealth:
    • Epstein: “As you probably know, I represent the Rothschilds…I’ll be in Europe again the 20th to 28th, then the island.”
      Thiel (hours later): “Certainly not in Saudi...maybe in NYC or on the island.” (74:19)
  • Joey: “Giving a junkie a fat bag of heroin...a lot of people are gonna probably overdose on conspiracy from this.” (74:46)

• Bill Clinton & the “Kamikaze” PR Strategy:

  • Julian calls out Bill Clinton’s feigned transparency as a calculated move: “He’s released a statement…because people know the dog. Bill Clinton was such good friends with this guy, 27 rides on the dude’s plane…” (04:23)

The U.S., Israel, and Intelligence Agency Complicity (20:11–41:33)

• Epstein as a Mossad Spy:

  • Julian is adamant: “Jeffrey Epstein worked for Israel. Period, end of story. I don’t say that as a shot to anyone. I say that as a…fact.” (20:11)
  • Case for U.S. intelligence’s knowledge and tacit allowance of Epstein’s activities in exchange for information.
  • Puts forth hypothesis that the CIA and Mossad enter an “unholy alliance,” sharing intelligence, becoming complicit.

• Alan Dershowitz’s Allegiance:

  • Discussion on Dershowitz’s outsize defense of Israel, questioning national loyalty when U.S. and Israeli interests might conflict (32:16–36:38).

• Sexual Blackmail as Standard Spycraft:

  • Julian: "This is not just an Israeli thing. This is something that intelligence agencies around the world do, dare I say, ours included." (40:43)
  • Draws a moral line at sexual blackmail involving minors and expresses horror at “normalization” via public exposure.

Public Perception, Mass Psychosis, and Memification (42:44–47:15)

• Conspiracy Theories and Outrage Fatigue:

  • Joey: “Is it a mass psychosis?...I feel like...the playbook is to just get a mass psychosis of everyone just losing their minds...” (42:44)
  • Julian: “These emails feel like an outward long-term plan of memification.” (43:36)
  • The meme-ification and casualness (ex: “JEEvacationmail.com”) make it easier for the public to become numb, overwhelmed, or further destabilized.

• Epstein’s Intelligence: Charlatan or Genius?

  • Julian: There’s evidence of legitimate intelligence—quick, complex thinking masked by a bumbling communication style.

Elite Hypocrisy: Howard Lutnick and Political Cover-Ups (55:06–66:33)

• Howard Lutnick, Trump’s Commerce Secretary:

  • Neighbor of Epstein for 20+ years; public statements contradict email evidence of ongoing contact.
  • Julian plays Lutnick’s interview claiming he only met Epstein once and thought he was “disgusting,” then reads a 2012 email:
    • “We are landing in St. Thomas early Saturday afternoon...each of us has four children...two 16s, two 14s, a 13, a 12, an 11, and a 7 year old.” (63:24)
  • Julian’s eruption:
    • “What is your excuse? He’s a liar. Neighbors with this dude...Claims he only ever met him once, lived next to him for 20 some years. That’s crazy. Proven liar. Advising the President of the United States every day. I’m so done with these people, man.” (64:19)

• Trump, Thomas Massie, & Politics:

  • Criticizes Trump’s “it’s all a hoax” dismissal of Epstein questions (60:44).
  • Defends Massie as nearly the only principled Republican on transparency—Trump and pro-Israel PACs are pumping millions to defeat him for pushing on the files (79:38–80:58).

• Nuance for Some, None for Most:

  • Julian is cautious around “gray room” figures (e.g., Jay Z, Brian Johnson). If evidence is real and damning, “fry them”—but emphasizes the need to discern between unverified rumors, wild claims, and what’s actually documented.

The Steep Price of Elite Networks: Guilt by Association (70:16–97:55)

• Elite Circles and Complicity:

  • Refuses to draw party lines; hammers home that this is a civilizational, not just political crisis.
  • “There is no such thing as a Democrat and a Republican…The people that run the world, which are the people in those rooms…They don’t want you to know shit like this.” (70:16)

• Steve Bannon & Peter Thiel:

  • Bannon’s relationship with Epstein was extensive (88:01); accused of being “the most dangerous known man in America” and compared to Robert Maxwell (Epstein's reputed original intelligence mentor).
  • Julian: “Steve Bannon is...an intelligence person, 100%...He’s a Robert Maxwell type character.” (91:42–91:59)

• Revelations about Other Elites:

  • Tom Pritzker (billionaire family): “My birthday wish with boys with toys” in Afghanistan (82:06).
  • Emails connecting Larry Summers, Bill Gates, and academia to Epstein’s schemes—some try to explain away the connection, others (e.g., Peter Attia) are credibly, deeply implicated.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Elite Duplicity:

  • “What is your excuse? He’s a liar. Neighbors with this dude. Claims he only ever met him once, lived next to him for 20 some years. That’s crazy. Proven liar. Advising the President of the United States every day. I’m so done with these people, man.”
    — Julian, (64:19)

• On U.S.-Israel Complicity:

  • “Jeffrey Epstein worked for Israel, period, end of story. I don’t say that as a shot to anyone. I say that as a fucking inarguable fact.”
    — Julian, (20:11)

• On Musk’s Evasion:

  • “...the way Elon always played this is that he had very little if any contact with him. Didn’t really know who he was or whatever. And I’m just saying—the guy who’s the head of Tesla and SpaceX…is responding to this guy like he’s an important VIP day of.”
    — Julian, (17:27)

• On the Normalization of the Horrific:

  • “Sex bionage...is not just an Israeli thing. This is something that intelligence agencies around the world do, dare I say, ours included…But I draw the line at 12-year-olds, islands, temple, sacrifices.”
    — Julian, (41:33)

• On Bannon:

  • “Steve Bannon is the most dangerous known man in America…He is not a media guy. This is someone—I don’t know what or for who…He is a Robert Maxwell type character.”
    — Julian, (91:42–91:59)

Timestamps for Critical Segments

| Segment | Topic | Timestamp | | :------ | :---- | :-------- | | Context, Verification | Intro to new files, fakes vs. reals | 01:21–03:53 | | Elon Musk Emails | Party invites, personal rapport, implications | 03:53–19:02 | | David Stern Communications | NBA links, unusual Ukraine tie | 11:54–14:03 | | Epstein as Intelligence Asset | Mossad/CIA hypothesis, complicity | 20:11–41:33 | | Mass Psychosis & Memification | Emails, meme culture, public exhaustion | 42:44–47:15 | | Howard Lutnick Hypocrisy | Emails contradict denial, elite lying | 55:06–66:33 | | Bannon, Thiel, and Tech | Silicon Valley links, intelligence | 74:19–91:59 | | Party Politics | Massie, Trump, and covering up | 79:36–80:58 | | Networking & Complicity | General patterns, old & new elite | 70:16–97:55 |

Conclusion — Tone & Takeaways

Julian’s tone oscillates between outrage, disbelief, and exhaustion. He is unflinching in calling out what he sees as “scumbags,” liars, and elite cover-ups, regardless of political affiliation. The weight for Julian and Joey is moral, not banally partisan; they beg both their audience and fellow media to reject normalization and demand consequences, transparency, and—above all—truth.

• “This is not about politics. This is a civilizational threat of a story.” (96:59)
• “You see how worked up I get. This is such a red line for me. And I don't give a. This is Democrats, Republicans, it's everybody, man.” (96:51)

For Listeners: Why This Episode Matters

• A rare, almost forensic look into the mechanics of elite cover-ups.
• Detailed breakdown of actual, verified communications—not just rumors.
• Relentless demand for bipartisan accountability, pressing the uncomfortable idea that the rot is system-wide.
• Urgent—sometimes furious—call for public attention and action, refusing to let these stories slip away into cynicism or meme oblivion.

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