#381 - "Lying SCUM!" - Julian ERUPTS on Epstein Files, Elites & LIARS

Summary

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Julian Dorey Podcast Episode #381

"Lying SCUM!" - Julian ERUPTS on Epstein Files, Elites & LIARS
Date: February 7, 2026
Host: Julian Dorey
Producer/Co-host: Joey Dave

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Overview

In this searing episode, Julian Dorey and co-host Joey Dave dive into the explosive content of the latest Jeffrey Epstein files. They meticulously dissect newly-released, verified emails and communications between Epstein and some of the world’s most powerful figures, highlighting what they see as layers of lies, projection, and elite complicity that continue to protect and enable abusers. The tone is raw, unsparing, and at times furious—especially as Julian confronts what he views as deliberate obfuscations from the political and business elite, media, and even fellow commentators.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Latest Epstein File Dump: Context & Verification (01:21–03:53)

• Scope and Significance of New Files:

  • Massive new batch of emails, photos, and videos released pertaining to Jeffrey Epstein and his network.
  • Julian notes that while some screenshots online are fake, everything they will discuss has been painstakingly verified.

• Bipartisan Push for Full Transparency:

  • Shout-out to politicians like Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie for demanding the full unredacted files.
  • Ongoing political resistance to full disclosure, with Julian expressing anger over redactions that protect the powerful but not victims.

• Caution About Misinformation:

  • “There are a lot of fake screenshots floating around... But, some of the ones that you would think are fake screenshots are actually very real.” (02:17 — Julian)

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Deep Dive: Elon Musk’s Communications with Epstein (03:53–19:02)

• Elon Musk’s Emails (2012–2014):

  • Multiple back-and-forths with Epstein, including party invitations and apparent personal rapport.
  • Example:
    • "What day/night will be the wildest party on your island?" — Elon, 2012, years after Epstein’s conviction. (07:08)
    • Elon consistently responds rapidly and personally, unusual for someone of his public stature.

• Julian on Musk’s Public Positioning:

  • Points out that Musk’s public calls for transparency could be “projection” and PR defense:
    • “There is potential... that is some projection and some trying to, like, be like, yeah, I support criminal prosecutions, therefore I could never be a criminal in this.” (05:36 — Julian)

• Significance of Patterns:

  • Epstein’s “very needy” tone with Elon (e.g., "Will you take a break, April?") shows he targeted Musk as a “top-tier bullseye.”
  • No proof Musk visited the island, but clear discrepancy with Musk’s past claims of little/no contact.

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Other Notable Figures Named in Files (11:54–14:03; 49:58–58:00)

• David Stern (Former NBA Commissioner):

  • Multiple meetings and emails, including coordination during the Ukraine crisis (2014).
  • Julian: “David Stern went back and forth with him like crazy, bro... meeting him at his house.”

• Palantir, Peter Thiel & Ehud Barak (Israel):

  • Email/audio segment of Epstein encouraging Israel’s former PM to join Palantir’s board; significant links to Israeli intelligence and U.S. tech (51:47–55:06).
  • Palantir’s connections to both U.S. and Israeli intelligence services are explored.

• Peter Thiel’s Correspondence:

  • Chillingly casual exchanges about the island and massive wealth:
    • Epstein: “As you probably know, I represent the Rothschilds…I’ll be in Europe again the 20th to 28th, then the island.”
      Thiel (hours later): “Certainly not in Saudi...maybe in NYC or on the island.” (74:19)
  • Joey: “Giving a junkie a fat bag of heroin...a lot of people are gonna probably overdose on conspiracy from this.” (74:46)

• Bill Clinton & the “Kamikaze” PR Strategy:

  • Julian calls out Bill Clinton’s feigned transparency as a calculated move: “He’s released a statement…because people know the dog. Bill Clinton was such good friends with this guy, 27 rides on the dude’s plane…” (04:23)

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The U.S., Israel, and Intelligence Agency Complicity (20:11–41:33)

• Epstein as a Mossad Spy:

  • Julian is adamant: “Jeffrey Epstein worked for Israel. Period, end of story. I don’t say that as a shot to anyone. I say that as a…fact.” (20:11)
  • Case for U.S. intelligence’s knowledge and tacit allowance of Epstein’s activities in exchange for information.
  • Puts forth hypothesis that the CIA and Mossad enter an “unholy alliance,” sharing intelligence, becoming complicit.

• Alan Dershowitz’s Allegiance:

  • Discussion on Dershowitz’s outsize defense of Israel, questioning national loyalty when U.S. and Israeli interests might conflict (32:16–36:38).

• Sexual Blackmail as Standard Spycraft:

  • Julian: "This is not just an Israeli thing. This is something that intelligence agencies around the world do, dare I say, ours included." (40:43)
  • Draws a moral line at sexual blackmail involving minors and expresses horror at “normalization” via public exposure.

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Public Perception, Mass Psychosis, and Memification (42:44–47:15)

• Conspiracy Theories and Outrage Fatigue:

  • Joey: “Is it a mass psychosis?...I feel like...the playbook is to just get a mass psychosis of everyone just losing their minds...” (42:44)
  • Julian: “These emails feel like an outward long-term plan of memification.” (43:36)
  • The meme-ification and casualness (ex: “JEEvacationmail.com”) make it easier for the public to become numb, overwhelmed, or further destabilized.

• Epstein’s Intelligence: Charlatan or Genius?

  • Julian: There’s evidence of legitimate intelligence—quick, complex thinking masked by a bumbling communication style.

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Elite Hypocrisy: Howard Lutnick and Political Cover-Ups (55:06–66:33)

• Howard Lutnick, Trump’s Commerce Secretary:

  • Neighbor of Epstein for 20+ years; public statements contradict email evidence of ongoing contact.
  • Julian plays Lutnick’s interview claiming he only met Epstein once and thought he was “disgusting,” then reads a 2012 email:
    • “We are landing in St. Thomas early Saturday afternoon...each of us has four children...two 16s, two 14s, a 13, a 12, an 11, and a 7 year old.” (63:24)
  • Julian’s eruption:
    • “What is your excuse? He’s a liar. Neighbors with this dude...Claims he only ever met him once, lived next to him for 20 some years. That’s crazy. Proven liar. Advising the President of the United States every day. I’m so done with these people, man.” (64:19)

• Trump, Thomas Massie, & Politics:

  • Criticizes Trump’s “it’s all a hoax” dismissal of Epstein questions (60:44).
  • Defends Massie as nearly the only principled Republican on transparency—Trump and pro-Israel PACs are pumping millions to defeat him for pushing on the files (79:38–80:58).

• Nuance for Some, None for Most:

  • Julian is cautious around “gray room” figures (e.g., Jay Z, Brian Johnson). If evidence is real and damning, “fry them”—but emphasizes the need to discern between unverified rumors, wild claims, and what’s actually documented.

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The Steep Price of Elite Networks: Guilt by Association (70:16–97:55)

• Elite Circles and Complicity:

  • Refuses to draw party lines; hammers home that this is a civilizational, not just political crisis.
  • “There is no such thing as a Democrat and a Republican…The people that run the world, which are the people in those rooms…They don’t want you to know shit like this.” (70:16)

• Steve Bannon & Peter Thiel:

  • Bannon’s relationship with Epstein was extensive (88:01); accused of being “the most dangerous known man in America” and compared to Robert Maxwell (Epstein's reputed original intelligence mentor).
  • Julian: “Steve Bannon is...an intelligence person, 100%...He’s a Robert Maxwell type character.” (91:42–91:59)

• Revelations about Other Elites:

  • Tom Pritzker (billionaire family): “My birthday wish with boys with toys” in Afghanistan (82:06).
  • Emails connecting Larry Summers, Bill Gates, and academia to Epstein’s schemes—some try to explain away the connection, others (e.g., Peter Attia) are credibly, deeply implicated.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Elite Duplicity:

  • “What is your excuse? He’s a liar. Neighbors with this dude. Claims he only ever met him once, lived next to him for 20 some years. That’s crazy. Proven liar. Advising the President of the United States every day. I’m so done with these people, man.”
    — Julian, (64:19)

• On U.S.-Israel Complicity:

  • “Jeffrey Epstein worked for Israel, period, end of story. I don’t say that as a shot to anyone. I say that as a fucking inarguable fact.”
    — Julian, (20:11)

• On Musk’s Evasion:

  • “...the way Elon always played this is that he had very little if any contact with him. Didn’t really know who he was or whatever. And I’m just saying—the guy who’s the head of Tesla and SpaceX…is responding to this guy like he’s an important VIP day of.”
    — Julian, (17:27)

• On the Normalization of the Horrific:

  • “Sex bionage...is not just an Israeli thing. This is something that intelligence agencies around the world do, dare I say, ours included…But I draw the line at 12-year-olds, islands, temple, sacrifices.”
    — Julian, (41:33)

• On Bannon:

  • “Steve Bannon is the most dangerous known man in America…He is not a media guy. This is someone—I don’t know what or for who…He is a Robert Maxwell type character.”
    — Julian, (91:42–91:59)

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Timestamps for Critical Segments

| Segment | Topic | Timestamp | | :------ | :---- | :-------- | | Context, Verification | Intro to new files, fakes vs. reals | 01:21–03:53 | | Elon Musk Emails | Party invites, personal rapport, implications | 03:53–19:02 | | David Stern Communications | NBA links, unusual Ukraine tie | 11:54–14:03 | | Epstein as Intelligence Asset | Mossad/CIA hypothesis, complicity | 20:11–41:33 | | Mass Psychosis & Memification | Emails, meme culture, public exhaustion | 42:44–47:15 | | Howard Lutnick Hypocrisy | Emails contradict denial, elite lying | 55:06–66:33 | | Bannon, Thiel, and Tech | Silicon Valley links, intelligence | 74:19–91:59 | | Party Politics | Massie, Trump, and covering up | 79:36–80:58 | | Networking & Complicity | General patterns, old & new elite | 70:16–97:55 |

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Conclusion — Tone & Takeaways

Julian’s tone oscillates between outrage, disbelief, and exhaustion. He is unflinching in calling out what he sees as “scumbags,” liars, and elite cover-ups, regardless of political affiliation. The weight for Julian and Joey is moral, not banally partisan; they beg both their audience and fellow media to reject normalization and demand consequences, transparency, and—above all—truth.

• “This is not about politics. This is a civilizational threat of a story.” (96:59)
• “You see how worked up I get. This is such a red line for me. And I don't give a. This is Democrats, Republicans, it's everybody, man.” (96:51)

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For Listeners: Why This Episode Matters

• A rare, almost forensic look into the mechanics of elite cover-ups.
• Detailed breakdown of actual, verified communications—not just rumors.
• Relentless demand for bipartisan accountability, pressing the uncomfortable idea that the rot is system-wide.
• Urgent—sometimes furious—call for public attention and action, refusing to let these stories slip away into cynicism or meme oblivion.

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Transcript

[A]

What is your excuse? He's a liar. Neighbors with this dude. Claims he only ever met him once, lived next to him for 20 some years. That's crazy. Proven liar. Advising the President of the United States every day. What's up guys? Like pretty much all of you. I was disgusted by this latest round of Epstein files, emails, all the stuff that's been released. This case is obviously one of the worst cases, if not the worst case that I've ever seen in my life and somehow it keeps getting worse. So every week producer Joe De and I do a show on Patreon and YouTube members only. The this was that show for this past week, but after I released it, many of the patrons and members were insisting that we make this one public. So we are doing that now. If you would like to see more content like this, you can join the Patreon or YouTube members via the link in my description below. Otherwise, we will have much more public content coming out on the Epstein files as we get more information. If you are not subscribed, please subscribe and enjoy this episode. What's up everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Great Society Show. I am Julian Dorey.

[B]

And I'm Joey Dave.

[A]

How you doing? How you doing? Let's get right into it. We're not going to waste any time beating around the bush. Obviously there was another trove of emails, photos, videos, files, whatever the fuck you want to call it. It was all in there, dropped on Jeffrey Epstein and that whole case this past Friday. Like many of you, I have been going through it voraciously and trying to make sense of it all. Some things we will never be able to make sense of, other things we will were revelatory. I will say I did see. Before I go into this, I did see Rona say that it's not even half of what they want and I appreciate him and Thomas Massie from a bipartisan perspective, continuing to push for all of what they asked for to come out. And I'm sure they will. That said, this drop seemed to have some of the most open enders, if you will, on it as far as like creating more links that we had known about, but now it's literally there in writing. What I do want to give people a heads up on is what should be an obvious point in today's Internet age. But I always have to remind myself this as well. There are a lot of fake screenshots floating around out there on Twitter and on Instagram and all these different sites where it's a made up email that's not real. I appreciate a lot of the journalists who, instead of even posting a screenshot, have literally just post this, posted the link to justice.gov when they refer to something so that you can go click it there and see that it's real. That said, some of the ones that you would think are fake screenshots are actually very real. So the ones that I'm gonna discuss today, I have the HDMI here because I got everything on my computer.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So we'll. We'll go. We'll do it that way today. Deep. But the ones I'm gonna discuss today are all verified and real. And the people on them, in many cases, or most cases are people you know quite well now. De, you have been checked out from the Internet over the past couple weeks?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

God bless you. That's awesome.

[B]

I give myself iPad kid time, where, like, I go on Instagram and X for a half hour, and then I'm usually like, oh, my God, get this out of here.

[A]

I love it. I love it. And that's great, because you're getting fresh eyes on.

[B]

Yeah, no, this is Fred. The only thing I've seen of these new files, folks, was, like, some of the Elon screenshots of him, like, wanting to go to, like, dope parties.

[A]

Yeah. There's a lot of emails between Elon Musk and. And Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah.

[B]

That's all I've seen, though. This is super fresh eyes.

[A]

Let me actually start there.

[B]

Okay, hit it.

[A]

So what I don't want to do, as tempting as it is, is on people where there's gray area, say guilty and accuse them of all these things, even if it's not great that they were in any way fucking communicating with this guy. But we'll talk about some of the nuance of that. As much as we may not want to see it today with Elon, that's where I'm going to be. But I. I am going to raise some valid questions here. So Bill Clinton got body bagged a few weeks ago for releasing a statement where he basically said, release all the Epstein files. Give full transparency and everything. And because people know the dog. Bill Clinton was such good friends with this guy, 27 rides on the dude's plane. You know, people were making fun of him, like, yeah, Bill, like, we know you're guilty. Like, just because you're getting out in front of it to say you're recommending transparency. It's basically like, you know, what was the old Japanese soldier thing where they would commit suicide?

[B]

Kamikaze.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically, someone was like, yo, we. We live in kamikaze Petoville over here. Like, they're just. They're just like, taking the moral stands to expose themselves as, you know, doing all these. There's a similar potential, and I'm gonna use the word potential there with Elon. Elon has been going out of his way to tweet that all this should be released, to accuse other people being in the files. And then when he's in the files, tweeting about it, and particularly retweeting or replying to tweets that mention that Elon of all these. And it will list all these different famous people. Of all these people calling for criminal prosecutions, Elon who are mentioned in the files. Elon' the only one calling for them. Like no one else is calling for them. And Elon's like, like, exactly. Ask yourself why? And to me, that could be some. There's a potential. Unfortunately, I have to say this, that that is some projection and some trying to, like, be like, yeah, I support criminal prosecutions, therefore, I could never be a criminal in this. Because when you look at these emails from 2012 to 2014, Elon Musk went back and forth with Jeffrey Epstein a lot and would reply to him within every. Almost every time on the emails. And he. He asked him. There was an exact email. Let me just. Let's get this right so that, you know, people have it. All right?

[B]

Iran Ma.

[A]

Okay, so I'm gonna stick this over here.

[B]

Yeah, get it up there.

[A]

All right, so this was one of the first ones. Christmas Day 2012 at 6am do you have any. Put Elon to Jeffrey Epstein. What the. Do you have any parties planned? I've been working to the edge of sanity this year, and so once my kids head home after Christmas, I really want to hit the party scene in St. Barts or elsewhere and let loose. The invitation is much appreciated, but a peaceful island experience is the opposite of what I'm looking for. That was in reply to Epstein, who 12 hours before that on Christmas Eve, said, you are welcome to stay or just come for the day. Plenty of room. I will send a heli for you. I'm getting rid of this fucking screen.

[B]

All right?

[A]

A month before that, Epstein said, how many people will you be for the heli to the island, Elon? Probably just Tallulah, which was his wife at the time, and me. What day slash night will be the wildest party on your island? This is four years after the guy was convicted. All right? And I'm going to Talk about that later as it relates to another person being unaware apparently nine years later of his convictions. So let me be fair to Elon and say perhaps he didn't know, but that is it. This, this, this guy was very publicly convicted. And Elon in 2008 was already. He was becoming a big name. He was about to do a cameo in Iron Man. Yeah. You know, like he was a known guy. And so ask. It's just, look, asking what night the wildest party on your island's gonna be is not great. If there's one thing in this email that's all right, I like that he's saying his wife will come with him. That's something you never see with these people. I will give him that. So you know that he's talking, he's literally talking about bringing his wife at the time. But this was another thing. In these emails from 2012 to 2014, the tone on Jeffrey Epstein was totally different than the tone I saw on any other people that he was talking with. I would require, I would call it a dick sucking tone. Whoa. Yes. I would call it a. A kid in Toys R Us trying to get the jump to the shelf to get the shiniest toy. And the toy being Elon, like he very. He would constantly be like checking in on him. Like there was an email where he's like, you know, oh, oh. He goes, will you take a break, April? Like he's asking him a bunch of question marks too. That's always a very needy sign. He wasn't doing that in a lot of emails. Elon goes, it is. This is in March 2013. So a few months later, it is 3am in California and I'm still working on Tesla and SpaceX. Email will hit the sack shortly, but be up at 7 for a call. April should be better, but it depends on how well CA goes. All right, guess referring to California later that year, now at Christmas again a year later after the first Christmas one, Elon to Jeffrey will be in BVI slash St. Bart's area over the holiday. Is there a good time to visit? Jeffrey responds any day, 1st through 8th. Play it by ear if you want. Always space for you. And then Jeffrey and I Only screenshot it. 7 Emails Here you can go to the JMail World site which creates a dummy. Pull it up on your own computer div so you can see what I'm talking about. But it creates a dummy Gmail and drive of all these files as if you're logging in like Jeffrey Epstein and you can search names and you can see there's a million emails between these two. And Jeffrey would say, like, there was one email where Jeffrey would say, and I don't have that one screenshot, but he's like Reid Hoffman and. And what's his name? Something Ito, the famous tech guy are. But Joy Ito are both gonna be with me. Can you come? Now, Elon Musk notoriously hates Reid Hoffman, but he wasn't acting like he hated him back then in the emails. Now he hates him, and we know he does. They do hate each other. But, like, he's like, Elon was trying to defend this, like, as if Reid Hoffman was gonna be a selling point to get me there at the time. He wasn't saying, like, that guy or anything like that. This email I screenshotted, though, right here, it was another one, and it doesn't have the date on it. But this was one where the government redacted the names. I mentioned. The one where he said. I just said where it was gonna be. Reed and Joy, two huge, huge guys. Right? Reid Hoffman is the founder of LinkedIn. This one redacted the email. The other email that it was two with Elon Musk, and then redacted the names. It says, however, blank and blank will be on St. Bart starting today. I want to know who the fuck that was, because I'll tell you one thing that they didn't redact in these emails is a lot of the victim's names. By the way, they redacted them in the videos and photos.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

But, like, we're going to be having an Epstein victim come on in in a few weeks here. A couple weeks. A couple weeks. And she's very upset at how other powerful people are protected. And then they didn't protect the victims with the names, which I completely agree with her and I. And again, this is where Massie and Rokhanna and some of these other guys pushing for this are gonna flip out that things are being redacted, and they have every right to, because I'm flipping out as well. And you should be as well. There's. There should be no redactions here. I didn't screenshot emails, but former NBA commissioner David Stern, who retired in 2014, was going back and forth with Jeffrey like crazy. That's good. If people can verify this one in the comments for me, actually, maybe I can do this live. Hold on. JMail. JMail World. Okay. David Stern, Ukraine. David Stern went back and forth with him like crazy, bro.

[B]

So weird.

[A]

Which is very interesting is this was one I didn't have time to verify, but David Stern was meeting him at his house. This is right when he was retiring from being commissioner as well.

[B]

Geez.

[A]

Back in 2014, which is interesting. David Stern is deceased now. And then there's emails as well for visits in 2010. I see. But there was some sort of back and forth about David Stern getting maybe it was Karina Epstein's girlfriend, some sort of visa with Ukraine in 2014 during the Maidan period. I don't know the details there. Maybe people in the comments can help because that is not one I had time to go through and verify before. But that seems that's weird as it's like what the. Like why. Why are you doing this? You know what I mean?

[C]

Jeez.

[A]

All right, so back to Elon and Jeffrey. There was another back and forth in December 2013 where Elon's asking a good time to visit. And then.

[B]

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[A]

So then Then on Christmas Day 2013, a year after the original Christmas Day emails, Jeffrey goes, the second or third would be perfect. I will come and get you. Elon goes, I need to fly back to LA on the night of the 2nd. Actually I could fly back on the 3rd. We will be in St. Barts. When should we head to your island? On the second. I Do want to know if he ever ended up there? He's always denied going there. I want to know if he ended up there because they kept talking in 2014.

[B]

I mean.

[A]

And there's another email that I don't have screenshotted here, but I did verify this. I got it through the JMail world where Epstein like checks in on him and he goes, how are things going? Better? And Elon, it's like maybe April 2013 or March 2013 or 2014 in that area of 2013 or 2014. And Elon responds like things better still very overworked or whatever. But there was a real you, you could tell like one thing that was already beyond a shadow of a doubt. The case long before these emails came out that anyone with a fucking pea sized brain could tell is that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence spy. He wasn't an access agent. Like Andy Bustamante has said in the past, he seems to be coming around to the right side on that at this point. I think I won't speak for him. He wasn't this like right time, right place fucking pedo. He was a literal spy pedo. All right. And when you see the emails with Elon Musk, it is so clear that Elon Musk is a target, a, a top tier bullseye, number one trophy hunting target for Epstein. And perhaps Elon never did land for him. And I have to give Elon that possibility because there is no confirmation from these emails that he ever followed through on one of those island trips or that he ever followed through with actually meeting with him. That's less than more than I can say for than Peter Atia. You know, we'll, we'll get that out as well. But that, that one is very, very case open for me more than it ever has been before because the extent, the way Elon always played this is that he had very little if any contact with him, didn't really know who he was or whatever. And I'm just saying the guy who's the head of Tesla and SpaceX and these were years, 2013, 2014 is when that shit was taken off. Yeah, this is one. He's become one of the most famous guys in the world. Stock was booming, busy as hell and he's responding to this guy like he's an important VIP day of. Yeah, yeah, that's not brother. I, I'm a very unimportant person and I have a hundred and four thousand unread emails and that's some of, that's my own fault for sure. But like this was him personally responding. Not even his assistant. Yeah, no, I don't have an assistant.

[B]

Like, making time day of, to like, write an email.

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

Work.

[A]

It's very weird. Very weird, very strange. Regardless of what you think, like.

[B]

It.

[A]

If you go to have Elon Musk on your podcast, you must, like, from a, not, I won't even say from a journalistic capacity, from a basic humanity capacity. Yeah, he needs to address all this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he, and he is not allowed in the studio if he, if he is not willing to do that, that, like, that has to happen. And, and I, I, I hope it's Joe that does it with him. I really do. It won't be, you know, I, I, I, I hope it is. But yeah, I, I have some pause. You know, he is one of the only guys openly tweeting about it and whatever. But that is part of, or it could be, I should say part of a PR campaign to try to say, hey, I got nothing. Odd. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, you can argue that, like, Trump was trying to get out in front of him all those years, too, of being like, we got to be transparent. And then in November, he's like, that doesn't exist. It's a democratic hoax.

[A]

Trump's response to this is a total disgrace. Yeah, it's a complete and utter disgrace. I don't care where you stand politically.

[B]

But my point is that, like, just because they're getting ahead of shit, like, I don't know for sure, enough credit.

[A]

But, you know, he's still calling it a democratic hoax. I also want to, I want to pull up the, the Massey stuff. Thomas Massie and, and, and let's, let's state the obvious here, okay? And I've stated this before. Jeffrey Epstein worked for Israel, period, end of story. I don't say that as a shot to anyone. I say that as a fucking inarguable fact. We'll get to the uhud, Barack stuff here, all right? Which we've also known that forever. And if you followed this case at all and looked at all the people that he's associated with and all the people that he came up with, that's where the puck goes to. That's where it goes to. Now, I have a strong feeling, and I've also said this publicly before, that part of the reason that this is so covered up by the United States is not just because, oh, Mossad has, has blackmail on too many of our people. And if we do this, it's like the dead man switch is Going to hit and we're all fucked up. I don't think it's all that. I think it is a complicity. Now, here's what I mean by that. I couldn't give you an exact date, and I don't have hard evidence to be able to tell you this is definitely how it is. But just re putting all the. All the evidence we do have together and painting a picture of what this could look like, I would say at some point, if I had to guess, I'm going to say late 90s to early 2000s, CIA figured out what this guy was doing. Jeffrey Epstein, until that Bill Clinton flight to Africa that he took Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey, and Chris tucker on in 2002, was. Was not known publicly, right? He was known on the. In the social circles of New York City, but he was not a known person publicly.

[B]

Publicly.

[A]

And that's what a good spy, by the way, is supposed to be. Not fucking known publicly. And then he does this flight, he gets the Page Six story in the New York Post. And then, you know, suddenly people are like, who is this guy? And Vicky Ward decides to write this big interview article with him for Vanity fair in early 2003, which he invites her over to his house. And he enjoyed it. He liked the attention. And so at some point, either shortly in the years before that or right around that time, somebody at Langley figured out, oh, shit, there's a dude with a ranch in Mexico, the biggest house in New York City, an island in the fucking Caribbean that he takes people to, with a fucking temple on it. A place in West Palm Beach. We got pictures of him doing weird shit. He's in that enclave neighborhood in. In Ohio as well. He's connected to some of the most powerful people in the world. And he's a pedo. And we can. Oh, my God, we can connect him to Khashoggi. We can connect them to arms deals. We can connect them to all this different shit. And this has been happening right under our fucking nose. And then they're like, oh, my God, look at all the people. He's got so much blackmail on. Oh, my God, We. We can't just like. We can't just, like, arrest them. That's what they say to themselves. I'm not saying that that's what they should have said, but that's what they say to themselves. So they, in my opinion, they go to Epstein and they say, listen, buddy, you know that we know that. You know that we know that we know what you're doing. And you know that we know that you know that we know that we can't do anything about it it. Because you know that we know that you know that we know that you have all kinds of. On all these people that would make this house of cards of our bureaucracy go. And you know that we know that you know that we know that the country you're working for and our government has a close relationship on a lot of other stuff. And so this can't come out. So here's, here's the deal, buddy. Now you pay us a tax, you gonna do all this shit and whatever. We can't do it, all right, but you're doing it on our land. So if you're gonna keep doing it, you pay us a tax and the taxes. We want information, we take it. Now they've made the unholy alliance. Now they've co. Signed it and I have. If I were a betting man, I would bet very strongly on that having happened. Yeah. And it makes them complicit now to me, maybe, I don't know, maybe I'm from New Jersey. I think of this too. Simply blow the guy's fucking brains out. And then look at Mossad and say, what are you going to do about it? Blow his brains out. It's not hard. Be like, ah, you know, something went wrong. There was nothing we could do about it. He's gone. He said there's nothing we could do. We had a problem. Yeah, no, sorry. Oh, that was yours. Oh, we didn't know that. That's what they should have done. But some fucking retard in all likelihood said, well, that could cause an international incident or something about a fucking pedophile. And so. Well, this is horrible. But look at the information we could get. And there you go. That is probably. I feel very strongly that that happened.

[B]

The best method of control is time.

[A]

The best method of control is time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. Son to zoo.

[B]

Why kill him then?

[A]

I'm still not tracking.

[B]

Well, for the same reasons you said. It's like, why kill him then? They can, that's. That's something that they can keep and just continue to harvest from.

[A]

Yeah, but become complicit, there's a price.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, but they're, they're not, they don't give a about that. They're thinking about the control and the.

[A]

Power play where they're still somewhat powerless because they know it's a foreign agent.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Information, yeah, 100%. But I'm just saying, like, in the simplest terms of like their head in the house of cards they're preserving.

[A]

Right. So in this tranche of emails, which is largely from like 2011, 2010 on, good era. This is post Epstein's relationship with Trump, they had had a falling out. It's pretty well documented at that point. It's actually been documented.

[B]

That's like every, every, like Trump bootlickers thing. Like he kicked him out of Mar A Lago.

[A]

Right. Which is not the full story. It's not the full story at all. But I will say he had had a falling out with him at this point. It's literally confirmed by the lead, by the lead attorney for the victims, Brad Edwards, who met with Donald Trump in 2008. He's the only person that agreed to meet with Brad and discuss things about Epstein with him, which could have been a part of a long term play.

[B]

Could have just been getting ahead of it.

[A]

Because that's also another thing, brother. There are emails. Now before I say this as well, it would be right to put this asterisk on even this. I gotta be fair here, be fair. Nancy Mace, who's one of the few people who is, I believe, put her money where her mouth is with this, voted with this, supported this, supported the victim. She's been emotional about it as well. She did say that she was told that emails that you see, particularly from 2020 on, which is post Jeffrey Epstein's death, are going to include a lot of crazy shit that isn't real. She's right about that and I'm going to explain why she is categorically right about that. Once this became a very public scandal when Jeffrey Epstein died, it attracted the attention of everyone. And so the FBI, this happens with any major high profile case, FBI, whoever it is, investigating it, they get, they go from getting 10 leads to getting 10 million leads. And that includes your schizophrenic neighbor who watched the news and is calling in and saying that, you know, he was fucked by a, you know, fake owl of ball. It's a lead in, in 1948. And the FBI is required, you see that through, to do their job internally, discuss with each other, track it down to either see if there's something there, or more than likely, unfortunately, in 99.9% of these cases rule it out. So let me give a couple examples here. There was an email about Jay Z and Push A T handling women with Jeffrey Epstein in 1996. I'd have to Google it with Push A T. I don't even know if Pusha T was a thing back then. To quote Mike Malak who made a great point here. Jay Z was handing out reasonable doubt records in the marcy projects in 1996. He was not Jay Z yet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He did not know Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. You know, maybe Jay Z's an awful guy. I'm open to it. If there's ever proof that he's an awful guy. I am more than open to that. There's just a very weird obsession with people. What, like rooting?

[B]

Yeah, he's one of them.

[A]

To be this awful guy. Yeah. And like by and again, if he is, if it turns out and there's actual evidence presented that like he's a scumbag, great, fry him. But it's so strange watching people be. It's like they are, it's like they are rooting for him to be this thing. And still to this day there's never been something presented with real evidence that can show that he's this thing. And this is another example. So you have to say that there were emails like this and then there was an email, you know, accusing Epstein, Trump and like name five other people of like raping a 10 year old girl in a room or something. And it's from 2021. And I believe the email, if I remember correctly. Correct me in the comments if I'm wrong, there's a lot of emails here was like FBI agents going back and forth just reporting what was told to them. Not like, oh my God, we got something here. It's just like, okay, this person said, yeah, I say all this to say there was a report in 2020, an official report where. And, and it was as a part of these files that the FBI filed where Donald Trump is accused of being compromised and I quote, by Israel. This is from 10, 19, 2020 and it is from.

[B]

You want to throw it on screen?

[A]

Well, I can't put it on the screen because it's too small for me to read up there. So I'm going to read it right here. I'll put it on the screen in a minute. It is from a confidential human source. And this is again, this is an official document that they actually filed. It's not just emails between FBI agents just reporting whatever lead came in. And it says Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz. CHS learned that Dershowitz influenced many students from wealthy families. For example, Josh Kushner and Jared Kushner were both his students. Dershowitz told CHS that if he were young again, he would be holding a stun gun as an Israeli Mossad agent. CHS believed Der SWITZ was co opted by Mossad and subscribed to their mission. CHS still continues to communicate occasionally for Dershowitz. I've never seen any. I have to say this, I've never seen any hardcore. Definitely die in the wolf. Proof that Alan Dershowitz is a Mossad spy. I do also have to say Dershowitz is perhaps the only guy very closely connected to the Epstein case since day one who has never shied away from a camera on this. In fact, he invites it. He's been doing it since day one of this case. Coming out and denying everything doesn't mean that that's not projection, but that is more than I can say for pretty much anyone else. However, we all know Alan Dershowitz loves Israel. I mean, he. You can't say a bad word about Israel around him. He is the chief defender. And as a Jewish American, that's fine to be a defender of the country, but in my opinion, he goes beyond being a defender of the country and says things where it's like, well, I don't know that that's in America's best interest to say that. So which one is it, Alan? You know what I mean? Like, you're from here. Do you want to be loyal to there? It's like, I'm half Irish and half Italian, all right? This is how I look at it, all right? Because everyone's gotta look at it the same. We're a nation of immigrants. Most of us, or a lot of us, didn't have any family here before 1900. So there's things we can relate to. With all due respect to my half Irish side, I never been to Ireland. I'm sure it's a great place. I'm sure the people are awesome. If it weren't there tomorrow, it wouldn't have a huge effect on my day. Love my Irish friends out here. But like, it's not. I feel no cultural connection to it. I go out of my way to not celebrate St. Patrick's Day. It's my least favorite day of the year. And the food sucks. And I've never been. And there's. There's no connection. Italy, on the other hand, is every cultural custom from both sides of my family. Throughout my whole life, I have lived there. I have family there. I have family who I've visited there. I've traveled the entire country. I love that place. I feel a cultural connection. It is an amazing, amazing place. If tomorrow my government came to me and said, julian, some shit went down last night. Turns out we are at war with Italy. So you gotta decide who, who you're fighting for. They would not even have to ask the question before that. Once they said war and Italy, I'd have my US army fatigues on. I'd grab the nearest functioning fucking weapon, find the nearest plane trainer, automobile to head the fuck over to Italy. And I'm not gonna like it, but we're gonna mow down any Mario and Luigi's to get the fuck in my way. And if you don't, and I'm not gonna like it, and I'm gonna really try to not fucking do anything any near women and children, of course. But like, if you don't believe me that something like this is a real possibility, go look at all the people whose names ended in a fucking vowel who fought in the Italian fucking campaign for the United States in World War II. This was a real thing. These are people whose parents didn't even speak English, but they fought for America. And so where I do run into a problem is when someone like Alan Dershowitz, if I asked him that question, I know what the answer is. It's some sort of pause and then deflection, saying, it's a stupid question and we know what the answer is. The answer is not America. Despite the fact that he's born and raised here and he's an American. And that's where I run into an issue. And by the way, I would say most of my Jewish friends, they're going to answer just like I did. Guys like Alan Dershowitz are not. And I will call that out because that's an issue. I have Israeli friends who live in America who would answer Israel, and that is perfectly acceptable because they're from there. They were born there, they're from there. I get it. Fine, Fine. But like, I run into a huge issue on this. So on this report, CHS said, continuing the FBI report from 2020, confidential human force source advised that this was a real story. Trump has been compromised Israel by Israel, and Kushner is the brains behind the organization and the presidency. Now let me also annotate here. I don't, I think the con. I don't know who this confidential human source is. I think the confidential human source is wrong. Is overstating the Kushner thing. There's no way Kushner was fucking running the White House. Did Jared Kushner have a lot of say in the first administration? Absolutely. Absolutely. Did he have more say than, you know, the son of a real estate convicted felon real estate developer who had never really accomplished a Ton on his own. Should have had. Yeah, he did, but. And did he win some power struggles in the White House? Yes, he did. But do I think Jared Kushner was pulling all the strings on Donald Trump in the first administration? No, I do not. There are certain situations where I think he did. I'll give you an example. Donald Trump came to the PR rescue, effectively, of MBS in. In the Jamal Khashoggi incident. And Donald Trump was actually later quoted as saying, according to sources, I saved his ass. And that was something that Kushner had a direct impact on, because Kushner was working on the Abraham Accords, which would need cooperation there from Saudi Arabia. So he did have influence. But I think the human source is. Is exaggerating when he says that. I think you have to be fair when you look at this. But. But the reason that I always have to look at the Israel Trump thing is because it is the one thing. Like, there's no one who is more aware of polls than Donald Trump. No, he loves polls. Loves polls. And once A poll is 51 to 49, it's a blowout. That's how he treats it, because he recognizes as long as you have the smallest, slimmest majority, you got enough to win.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so any poll related to how United States citizens left and right, feel about the relationship with Israel, and any poll about United States citizens left and right, about how they feel about Jeffrey Epstein, these are the two polls that Donald Trump just fucking trashes and ignores and takes the hard opposite on no matter what, and then openly jokes about things in front of us, in front of the mic that no one should ever joke about. Joking about one of your biggest donors, Miriam Adelson, always coming into the White House and how, you know, well, she might be more loyal. I think she's more loyal. Israel. Yeah. That. That's a problem.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's not. This is. This is where I get off. It's not anti Semitic to say that. I'm talking about another government. No one calls me anti China Semitic. No one calls me anti Russia, anti Russia Semitic. No one calls me anti Saudi Arabia Semitic when I say shit about their governments and the influence they have here. It's everybody that has an influence. I don't pick it to one place. We're talking about it with Donald Trump because there's one place that seems to have $232 million worth of known public influence over him, and he's making some decisions that are questionable. And when you see these files and you see who Jeffrey Epstein is coordinating with there. There's no. There's no doubt who he's working for. And that has to be called out, friend or not. All right, like there has to be some sort of understanding here because something like this can never happen again. And I've always said it, and this is the really uncomfortable truth and it's not fun and I don't support it in any way, but I try to deal in facts here, these kinds of things. Sex bionage, if you will. Sick sex bionic sex bionage involving minors as well. This is something. This is not just an Israeli thing. This is something that intelligence agencies around the world do, dare I say, ours included. It is. It is a sick form of spying that should be stopped in all its forms. Even with spying, there has to be a line somewhere. Just like we've had nuclear bombs in this world for 80 years. And despite all the despots, dictators, scumbags, fascist communists, everything that's existed since then, it is one thing everyone has had just enough fucking decency on. Perhaps with the helps of aliens. You never know.

[B]

Careful.

[A]

To not hit that button. There needs to be. And it's Mutually Assured destruction ville, right? There needs to be a mutually distort destruction ville on this kind of sex bionage. You want to lure some fucking ambassador into a hotel with a 27 year old hot woman who's really a spy because you got to get him as a source, right? I guess that's your spy game. Fine, that's legal. I don't like it, but that's what they do. I. Fine. I draw the line at 12 year olds, Islands, temple, sacrifices, you know, and one thing these emails are not going to help with, and I understand why they're not going to help, is with people who go nuts on conspiracy theories on other conspiracy theories that aren't. Epstein. They look at this and I have to see it from their lens for a second. Even if I still think a lot of that is wrong and doesn't have evidence. They look at this and they go, come on, look at how open over. Of course that means this other shit's all real, which is part of what it feels like. This is the other thing.

[B]

Yeah. Is it a mass psychosis? Like, that's what I think too. That's another part. That's where my brain's been going the last like week, right? Just because the way. Just like the way like I'm talking about it with like, like. This is a topic of discussion I'm having with like everybody, like people like you never even talked about these kinds of things with will be like, dude, did you see this? Like nothing's real. Like, dude, like, isn't it crazy that all those years of like smoking weed and watching Pizza Gate videos and now like it's actually like being confirmed? It's just like I feel like I'm like, wow, is this kind of the playbook is to just get a mass psychosis of everyone just losing their minds and then you're not discern being able to discern anything.

[A]

It's a fair point. I've looked at this and I, and don't hear me wrong on this. I'm not making a joke of this. I'm saying this is.

[B]

Yeah, none of this.

[A]

This is the bizarre nature of it. These emails feel like almost an outward long term plan of memification. And what I mean by that is just start at the top. Read. Read what? His email at handle is Steve Jeffrey Epstein.

[B]

Yeah, it's G vacationmail.com.

[A]

J E E vacation. Yeah, it's like a build an email AOL account that your grandpa made in 1999 for shits and gigs for retirement.

[B]

Well, I mean, didn't we say that a few patreons ago? Or am I misremembering? Didn't we bring this up?

[A]

Yeah, we might have.

[B]

Because like you do you even like, I know I've been off socials a few weeks, but you go on. It's like memes are, you know, shithead Steve. Like they're making like Epstein catered memes. Like, damn, I ain't even make it on the list. For real, for real. Like that's not, that's not a psyop.

[A]

Yeah, the typos, the typos that you see in these. And like even his sign off is like so on some of the automatic, you know, sent from my iPhone includes sorry for typos. Yeah, his typos are terrible. And yet people have also found in the files that Ghislaine and Jeffrey and I gotta look more into this, but Ghislaine and Jeffrey had accounts under pseudonyms for everything. Oh yeah, from Pinterest to Yahoo.

[B]

Yeah. Did you see the reddit1r/poll? That fucking Nazi subreddit. Like he was involved. The guy started at the day after he met with Jeffrey Epstein.

[A]

So he. So also meaning he was technologically in the game.

[B]

Yeah, both of them.

[A]

Yeah, advance. He couldn't type for shit, but he was advanced. And that's actually a sidebar I want to take for a second. There are a Lot of people who are reviewing the two to four hours of footage that's been released from some of the Steve Bannon interviews. At least two sit downs. Steve Bannon did 18 hours on Jeffrey Epstein, so we now have, like, two to four hours of it. There are a lot of people saying, like, oh, my God, this guy was a. I think when Jeffrey talked about science, he was trying to kick up meaning, like, yeah, yeah, he would talk about some things. Is like, you don't really know.

[B]

Yeah, he heard. He heard it at a lunch with this dope scientist that he's friends with.

[A]

However, and I still need to see more. And I never. I'm glad I never did. I never had a chance to meet with this guy personally. So you can't fully decide this.

[B]

Off.

[A]

Of just watching video of him talk and reading his emails. But more, the video of him talking. Emails are really tough to decipher this kind of thing. But I have known people who talk like Jeffrey Epstein does, and I've known in some of those cases, very smart people who talk like Jeffrey Epstein does. And let me explain that. He stutters, he bounces around, but he's talking about complex things. And right away you say, okay, well, that could be charlatanism for sure. That's still a very big possibility. But when he was talking about financial markets and making some of the points about money. Yeah. And. And how it works.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's been a while since I was on Wall Street. I can't say that I'm. That I keep up with that stuff, but, like, it's clicking. He's clicking 100%. And what I mean by. I've known guys who communicate like him is this. There are guys whose minds think so fast that their minds are ahead of the words coming out of their mouth. So they stutter around. They can't paint exit. They're not amazing communicators of how to express it, but they're geniuses. I'll give you a great example. Actually, A friend of mine, actually, I don't want to call him out by name. There's a friend of mine who I had on the podcast once who was a literal genius. I mean, fucking seeing fractals that you and I can't see. His mind goes so fast that he talks like Jeffrey Epstein, and you're like, wait, what do you say? And then after like, three minutes, you piece it together, you're like, oh, wow. Yeah, he's cooking. Yeah. You know what I mean? When you then combine that with the Coney island accent, I was gonna say it is actually the best cover ever because it puts people around you at ease when you're around smart people because their instant thought is that, ah, this guy's retarded. And then an hour later they're like, oh, wait a minute. And then they wonder what they've said in that hour. It is a perfect, perfect Access Spy thing because as long as he can stay in the conversation with people and not literally get kicked out, which he had a good ability to do apparently, he knows he's going to get information and he knows he's going to be able to use that information. He knows he's going to be able to build on that information. And so I'm going to take a contrarian take here and say that again. I, I can't say this with 100% confidence, but there is a chance that he actually was not what all these people like the Eric Weinstein's and all these other people have described. I'm not calling them out. I'm just saying you hear all these smart people in hindsight say, oh, I knew he was a total idiot right away, total charlatan. I had nothing, no idea what he's talking about. Some of that I think is rewriting history to try to make it sound like they pushed him off. And some of it I think actually making the wrong assumption because they're, they're not realizing what he's clocking. I, I do think there was intelligence there again on the science stuff. I think there's a little bit of like, you know, trying to act like he's a, he's an expert on gravity or something. He's not really an expert on that. Excuse me. It's clear to me why he was able to get around some of these people and build such a network.

[B]

He's, dude, he's an educated Jewish New Yorker from Brooklyn. Like I think anyone who think is making that argument of like he doesn't sound smart is probably just like some like good old boy from the south or some jerk off from Kansas. No offense folks, I'm just joshing you. But actually like.

[A]

So there's a video I want to put up on the screen. Let's get to this part part.

[B]

All right, you're gonna have to play audio through your, through my, your mic.

[A]

Okay, so let me just airdrop it to myself. But ahud. Barack is a very well known name in Israel. He started his career as an Israeli commando and their special forces eventually rose up all the way to be prime minister of Israel. He succeeded Benjamin Netanyahu after his first term in 1999, he beat him in the election and was the prime minister of Israel. He's a power player over there, someone that you still see all the time. Somehow he'll fucking go on pure as Morgan and talk about Israel. I don't know how because he's been very, very exposed as a close friend of Epstein. There were pictures of him going into the mansion, like with scarves around himself back in 2011, 2012. It is a known thing that he's around Epstein, but again there's publications trying to push that Epstein was a Russian spy right now with a straight face, which is hilarious. But this is a recording and I'll play it on here, as you said, of Jeffrey Epstein and ahud, Barack. I don't know the year on this, but it was somewhere in like the 2013, 2014, 2015 area where Jeffrey Epstein is talking about a post Israeli government career for ahood Barack, who was freshly out of the actual government and he starts pitching him a very interesting company with a guy that we're going to talk about.

[B]

Oh, I think I know. If I had to guess, starts with a P. If I had to guess.

[A]

But it's a very good guess, Steve. Here we go.

[E]

He thought there was two cyber companies.

[A]

Look out.

[E]

And even though I know Peter, I've never met Peter Thiel. And everybody says he sort of jumps around and acts strange, like he's on drugs.

[A]

Smoking. Yeah, yeah. He looks under drugs.

[E]

However, he has a company called Palantir. P A L L E N. Spell it wrong. T E T I E R. Palantir's Peter Teals company. And look at Palantir.

[A]

P A L A N T I E R. Yes. Spelled it right. How you I Tilly. T H I E L L T.

[E]

H I E L L L Y. No P T H I E L L. Okay.

[A]

Spelled wrong again. So he thought they're boomers.

[E]

Put you on the board of Palantir. Peter Thiel is one of the best. I've never met him. He's going to come here next week, so I wanted to talk to him. Talk to you. He and Andreasen. It's called Andreas and Horowitz. Andreas and Horowitz. They pay Larry a million dollars a year just to advise him. Andreas and A N D R E E S O N. Andreasen and Horowitz and how Woods H O R O Horowitz.

[A]

What they are, they're lobbyists. What, what they are doing.

[E]

They are the biggest venture capital people in Silicon Valley bigger than Sequoia or Klingon. These are the he's. These are the new Kleiner Perkins, everybody. These are the smart boys. So those two companies, right away, in terms of. I said that we need now in the next three weeks if you're going to leave.

[A]

So that's exactly what it sounds like. And it's interesting because Palantir was obviously founded in the United states in like 0203 with a serious investment from in Q Tel, which is the VC arm of CIA, and in recent years has been instrumental assisting the Israeli government, including in highly controversial things as it relates to the prosecution of the war in Gaza. And it's interesting to me that 1112 years ago, Jeffrey Epstein is pushing for Barack to get on the board, right. Of this thing. That is. That part is fascinating. So, ahud. Barack also had an email server leaked maybe this is like the end of last summer. And the back and forth between him and Epstein was dense, absurd, you might say, just like crazy. And they were working. They had businesses together, they were working on clients together. That's good, you know, what do you think they were doing it for? Because they just happen to be two friends that were neighbors. Fucking guy lives across the world, you know what I mean?

[B]

He's a Russian spy.

[A]

He's a Russian spy. That's right. So it gets uncomfortable when you see it get to American companies like that where they're talking about trying to, you know, basically like penetrate it. But there is also nothing more and deep. I don't know if you want to pull up on your computer. J Mail. Give me. Give me one sec. We're gonna pause for one sec. I just want to grab something on my phone. So here's a quick intermission. We'll be right back. All right, we're back. So one guy who I cannot believe has a job today, like, I actually can't even fathom the fact that he has a job and has one of the most important jobs in the country right next to the sitting President of the United States is Howard Lutnick. Okay? Howard Lutnick is the current Secretary of Commerce for Donald Trump. All right? Now, I've defended Howard Lutnick on some cases in the past, talking with people. I'm going to savage him right now because that is what he deserves. He is a liar, a con artist as a result, and by my accounts, therefore, scumbag. Jeffrey Epstein's mansion in New York is 9 East 71st Street D. If you know who lives on the other. On the other side of his Wall who? Howard Lutnick.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Howard Lutnick. And I knew this, purchased that place, which I believe is, I want to say, 10 or 11 East 71st Street. Whatever it is, it shares a wall with Jeffrey Epstein. He purchased that place from Epstein and Les Wexner's trust in, I believe, 1998. All right? And as far as I know, he still owns it. I do have to say even the great Leonardo DiCaprio should probably be taking notes from Howard Lutnick on acting. He's an amazing actor. An amazing actor because Howard Lutnick gave an interview, I believe, this past summer on Pod Force One fucking podcast on the New York Post. Whoever named that should be fired. But he gave an interview where. Where he addressed this in, you know, within the past six months, and talks about, like, the only time he ever spent around Jeffrey Epstein, which allegedly was, like, seven years after he's been neighbors with him, which I don't think anyone's buying that. But let me just play what Howard Lutnick says here with a very, very convincing, convincing face. You got it, thief. Yep. Here we go.

[C]

He opens the door, and there's a massage table in the middle of the room and candles all around and stuff. So I ask very insightful, cutting questions. I say to him, massage table in the middle of your house?

[A]

How often you have a massage?

[C]

And he says, every day. And then he, like, gets, like, weirdly close to me, and he says, and the right kind of massage. Now, my wife is standing here, so she looks at me, and I look at her, and we say, I'm sorry, we have to go. And we left. And in the six or eight steps it takes to get from his house to my house, my wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. So I was never in the room with him socially for business or even philanthropy. That guy was there. I wasn't going because he's gross. And so I look back at it as a gift. Yes, he gave me a gift of a voice. So, yeah, that's my story. A one and absolutely done.

[A]

Shut the up, Howard. So that was in 2005 for conduct. Disgusting individual. Notice how his eye. When he went to. When he went to hit the line of, like, I will never, ever. His eye twitched like that. I just. A lot of. A lot of little signals there. But anyway, Howard Lutnick lied. We'll just. We won't bury the lead. This. This individual was so disgusting. So disgusting to him. So disgusting that. Oh, before I even do this, Can I also play this video of Howard? This is Howard a few months ago at the White House when someone asked Trump about Epstein. Watch him laugh his ass off in the background, like a little. Here we go.

[C]

They're both very good, the two cabins.

[A]

Very good.

[D]

Hosting a gathering this evening to talk about how to respond to the Epstein situation.

[C]

Is he working on what?

[D]

Is he posting some kind of gathering of top advisors this evening to talk about how to respond to the Epstein.

[A]

He's laughing. I don't know. I could ask you that question. I don't know of it, but I think. No, it's so funny. I saw it reported today and it's completely fake news.

[B]

We're not meaning to talk about the Epstein situation.

[A]

And. And I think the reporter who reported it needs to get better sources. Look, the whole thing is a hoax. The whole thing is put out by the Democrats because we've had the most successful six months in the history. Go fuck yourself. Such a fucking slap in the face when he says that. I'm sorry, It's. It's just such a slap in the face. And there's no one. It's a bigger slap in the face to. Than the. The people that voted for him. So all of you out there, if you voted for him, obviously, and has it. This is breaking a promise.

[B]

Has it been the most successful six months?

[A]

I. I don't think so. I mean, I can look objectively at some.

[B]

No, that's like, I'm actually asking objectively like that.

[A]

But for Howard Lutnick, a laugh.

[B]

Yeah. What a scumbag.

[A]

What a dramatic. To laugh at that disgusting individual. You know, just funny because, you know, when people are remembering over a decade ago, sometimes I'll give them the grace of a year, maybe two years. Right. Sometimes you're a little off. Well, was that 2010? Might have been 2011. Right. Sometimes people are a little off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Once it gets to like three years, it's like, I don't know if I could be that off about three years, four years, five years. Nah, seven years to be seven years off. In your recollection of when you decided to stop associating with someone. Yeah, that's.

[B]

That's past really tough, dude.

[A]

So now that I've been pumping this up and getting this ready to go, also JD Vance's attitude about it as well. I just want to say that this is a guy used to openly tweet about the Epstein files and getting transparency there and why everyone's being covered up for. And now he's doing the Covering. And I just, I find that abhorrent.

[B]

They got to stop, like, sticking to, like, their stupid little homemade terms to, like, still calling things fake news in 2024.

[A]

Like, it's so gay.

[B]

Yeah, it's so gay. Reminds me of, like, little, like middle schoolers.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

So fucking stupid.

[A]

So this is an email from Howard Lutnick to Jeffrey Epstein.

[B]

Oh, Howie.

[A]

December 19, 2012.

[B]

And he. And then he said 2005, over seven.

[A]

Years since that alleged massage table walkout.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Hi, Jeff. We are landing in St. Thomas early Saturday afternoon and planning to head over to St. Barts Anguilla on Monday. At some point, where are you located? As in, what is the exact location for my captain? Does Sunday evening for dinner sound good? I have another couple, Michael and Mary Lerman, with me on my boat. This is, this is the wildest part right here.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

And each of us has four children. Doesn't list their names. I want to point that out. He says two 16s, two 14s, a 13, a 12, an 11, and a 7 year old. I remind you, this is four years after Jeffrey Epstein was convicted. How this guy has a job today is a disgrace.

[B]

That is.

[A]

There is no room.

[B]

That's disgusting.

[A]

For nuance here.

[B]

No, that is disgusting.

[A]

Fired. Fired. I'm done with these fucking people. Fire this guy right now. What is your excuse? He's a liar. Neighbors with this dude. Claims he only ever met him once, lived next to him for 20 some years. That's crazy. Proven liar. Advising the President of the United States every day. I'm so done with these people, man. Yeah, that is so. That is done with these people.

[B]

That is absolutely abhorrent.

[A]

I'm so done with these people.

[B]

And we got. I gotta file taxes in a couple weeks.

[A]

Yeah, what that one just.

[B]

That is disgusting.

[A]

And nothing will be done. That's the thing. He'll. He'll have a job. That's a job today, job tomorrow. I'll have a job next week. He'll continue advising.

[B]

What is the conversation when he's like, hey, I'm about to email Jeff back. You got your four. What are their ages? I gotta.

[A]

What are their ages?

[B]

Like, like, what a weirdo.

[A]

No names, no names. If he had put names. No, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. If he had put names, maybe, yeah, maybe you could say there's. But the. Just ages.

[B]

So weird.

[A]

And he's his neighbor. He knows he got convicted. Yeah, he knows. Yeah, there's no, like, oh, wait, the guy next door. Yeah, I've been Here for a year and a half.

[B]

Dude, that's gossip on the doorstep when the stroller passes by. Like, that's.

[A]

He knows. He knows.

[B]

Oh, my God, what a sick.

[A]

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[D]

Kids, they grow up so fast. One day they're taking their first steps, and the next they don't fit into the tiny sneakers they took them in. You blink your eyes and their princess dress is two sizes too small. And their dinosaur backpack isn't cool anymore. But don't cry because they're growing up. Smile because you can profit off of it. For real. There are a bunch of parents on Depop looking for the stuff your kid just grew out of. Download depop to start selling.

[A]

It is just very hard to not be cynical when you. Now you have it. To quote Ari Gold, now. You know what? Actually, it's an inappropriate.

[B]

Yeah, I was gonna say. I don't know if you should let.

[A]

Me not do that with this topic. That's. I love ar. Gold was a great character, but that is so beyond the pale for me. Oh, yeah, that is so that guy.

[B]

Wait, now I have a question because you. You brought up how he was so many years off. Has he has someone, like, address this with him? Like, so no one's even asked the question yet? Oh, dude, that. I hope that's just a matter of time. I want to see how this fucking dumbass answers.

[A]

That better be. And like, when you got me, like, defending cnn, you have really fucked up. Kaitlan Collins was asking from cnn, was asking. She's like the White House press reporter for cnn, was asking Trump about the Epstein files. He just started ripping her as being a miserable person. And, you know, working for CNN and pushing a hoax, it's like, guys, are you really gonna take this?

[B]

Yeah, no, people are.

[A]

Dude, are you really gonna take this?

[B]

Yeah, you know, like, I, I know people, dude, who are just like, like, who are all in on whatever bullshit he's selling right now. And I'm just like, you are stupid.

[A]

You remember, like, when. When people would say, like, hardcore left, left People would be like, this isn't about hot politics. It's about human rights. And they would openly be talking about some sort of like, wild political situation. Yeah, no, this, this is a situation where if they say that, yeah, they're, they're right. They're 100 right. This is not about politics. And you know, people get very political these days because the parties have let them down. The Democrats lost their mind for a decade there. Still haven't figured it out. And it feels really strange when, if you're someone who then was like, well, that and went to the right side, I'm sure it's gotta feel strange now seeing that, like, some things over there seem to be patently up, but like, that's what it is. Yeah. And I've said this for a long time and it's always funny when I, when I talk, especially to older people who are left or right about this. And it just. No matter how smart they are, it doesn't clock for them. Yeah, well, there's no such thing as a Democrat and a Republican. And hear me out.

[B]

That's what I was gonna say. I agree.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There are people who have wildly different ideas as to how to arrive at solutions. And those ideas, objectively, if you're going to look at a political spectrum, fall on one side or the other or somewhere in between. Yeah, A lot of that has been manufactured by the elites for centuries to get people towards feeling, breaking for some of these ideas that they then break for everything that associates with that team, which is what human beings try to be a part of a team to divide people and distract them from the real things that happen, the things that actually affect their life. Because to quote Richard Nixon in that famous story I've told a million times that Jimmy Carter tells about when he got. Got advice from Nixon upon coming to office in 1976. You know, people in Congress are just gonna move shit 5% one way or 5% the other. It's all they fight over. Health care, taxes, the same shit. You know, little bit happens, not much. But the foreign policy, that's where you got power. And his point was, you know, just let me translate that. The things that happen behind closed doors with the men in suits, where it doesn't have to go to some fucking public voters, that's where, that's where you actually move the needle. And the people that run the world, which are the people in those rooms that include the politicians and the people that pay them, they don't want you to know what they're talking about. And they don't want you to know shit like this. You got a guy from a JEE vacation account sending emails on one day to the ex treasury secretary, the royal family of Norway, three genius physicists, who he funded. Who. And let me defend some people. You know, especially like in the academic realms, when people are funding you, you should do some due diligence. They deserve guilt on that. But like a lot of people come in and fund you and then they get access. And if you don't do your due diligence, you get caught with your pants down. Down. And maybe some people, by the way, actually are scumbags. And we're in on some of this with them, to be clear, actually caught with their past. Exactly. But then there's other people who, you know very well could have been innocent, but they're gonna have to answer for this for the rest of their life. And, you know, you just see the connections he had and what he was doing. And his emails back and forth with Peter Thiel are wild, bro. So there's a. There's a very interesting email that's. So the nonchalance with which Jeffrey says this, followed by the nonchalance with which Peter Thiel answers the email was the most telling part to me. Let me.

[B]

Dude, I think he's my top. Dude.

[A]

Let me.

[B]

He's my top man. That I can't just. I can't even look at that guy, man. Okay, pull it on up.

[A]

This is from Sunday, February 28, 2016, which. This is Elon, by the way. Hold on, hold on, hold on. This is when Trump was becoming the guy in the gop. This is right before the small hands dick debate, which was at the beginning of March, I believe that was March 3, 2016. So this is a few days before. And Peter Thiel. Peter Thiel ended up being one of Trump's, like his big funder. All right, so he was, quote, unquote, Jeffrey Epstein. As you probably know, I represent the Rothschilds. I was hoping to figure out a way for the bank that has 160 billion in management, can do something in tech. Best client list in the world. Prehistoric Products. It can wait. Good luck in China. I'll be in Europe again the 20th to 28th, then the island. So if you want to come around the world going west, come to the island. Or if you would like to meet in Saudi at the end of the month, Peter Thiel casually responds to that same day. Eight hours later, he goes, certainly not in Saudi. Just think, I will avoid the Middle east for the next Decade or so. Should be back on east coast in late April or May sometime in New York City or on island then, you know, foreign theorist dream.

[B]

Yeah, this is like Christmas, dude.

[A]

It's Christmas.

[B]

It's like giving like a junkie. Just a fat bag of heroin and being like, dude, we got more where this came from. Yeah, a lot of people are going to probably overdose on conspiracy from this.

[A]

Also, I do have to say. This feels appropriate. It.

[B]

Oh, dude, I saw this. Yeah, respect.

[A]

Picture of Dick Cheney. No blackmailing, no island, not even in the files. He bombed brown people just for the love of the game.

[B]

I mean he just loved this dude. Also, one of the biggest lesson there.

[A]

Lesson there. There was also a 2002 email that you do pull up on J World and it's got redactions on it. So it's. It's in. It is in the files. I don't know what this is, But the nephew's name is redacted. The from has just words and not an at and it's two Galain Maxwell. But her email is redacted here from 2002. Hi, Aunt Ghislaine. I hope you are well. I look forward to seeing you when that might be. However, I'm not sure I'll email you when I'm able to do something with you. As for my quote, wish list, unquote of quote, actresses I'd like to do nasty things to unquote, which she says that in a way, as if she has asked him this already, though not complete, would probably look something like this. Number one, Natalie Portman. Natalie Portman. Number two, possibly Jennifer Love Hewitt. Number three, Denise Richards. As for things I'd like to do, whether it be in London, New York, New Mexico or the Caribbean, not quite sure at all. I will look into it in New York. Besides see the sites, possibly some theater or something of that sort. Anyway, I've got to run. Thank you very much for offering all these things. All these things only add up to the reason I would be there to see you, your nephew. So and so that's a very suspect email to me, but it's in the files now. That could be like a troll email. I. Or it's not. And it's like that's just a normal thing to talk about with. With your nephew.

[B]

Dude, what the.

[A]

My wish list of actresses I'd like to do nasty things to.

[B]

Yeah, but adding up to the reason I would be there to see you. So I wonder if her nephew was banging her too. Yeah, it's real up, dude.

[A]

Oh, it's biblical.

[B]

This shit's up. This shit's been going on since the beginning of time, dude. How disgusting is that?

[A]

The, the other thing is that it, I, I also look this up. You would see in a lot of these emails randomly, like an equal C2.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, you mentioned that.

[A]

And I, I googled it and apparently it's some sort of coding typo when things are translated. I don't know, maybe people can answer in the comments who know more about this. I don't know if that means like when the files were uploaded from the server to the government, it changed certain characters by accident or if they did it on their end by accident.

[B]

No, that happens to me all the time too when I'm moving like, like writing through different. Like if I move it from LibreOffice to Google Drive. So yeah, it makes sense.

[A]

And the attacks, by the way, the attacks against Thomas Massie by Trump are also disgraceful. Thomas Massie, if you are looking at it from the perspective of someone who's like judging is someone really a Republican or whatever. Thomas Massie has voted with with Republicans 91% of the time, okay, he is a very what you would call strong conservative. So he could be gotten person in Congress. Then to quote Thomas Massey, the 9% in which he hasn't involves covering for pedophiles, elite billionaires, funding foreign wars and debting our nation away. And then he walked off Mic drop. Pretty savage, pretty cool. They put like Led Zeppelin behind it for the walk off as that was kind of sick. But Trump responded because they're putting, you know, including Mary Madison, all the very pro Israel crowd are putting in millions of dollars against him in Kentucky trying to beat him, which I really do think is just going to make him win more. Actually as someone who dislikes all politicians, actually help him write about that because this is one of him and Ro Khanna are the two guys really pushing this and I appreciate that. So I hope the two of them stay in office where they are.

[B]

You think the voting's gonna be real?

[A]

Trump's? I don't go there.

[B]

That's what I'm saying, dude. Like they won't be there.

[A]

People are saying Trump put out on February 2. People are saying that Thomas Massie became a liberal because his new wife, reminder, Thomas Massie lost his wife a year and a half ago. She's married. His new wife. Blessed be their marriage is supposedly a radical left flamethrower. Which by the way, fact check on this. She's voted for Donald Trump three times just to be clear, they. They did fact check that this new union all went so fast that maybe he didn't know what he was getting into. But nevertheless, he is an absolutely terrible and unreliable Republican. Perhaps a rhino or maybe even worse. Ed Gallrain, a for a farmer and war hero, is running against Massey. He is a high quality individual and there's no candidate for Congress that would be better. He's running because he realizes Thomas Massie has been totally disloyal to the President of the United States and Republican Party party. He never votes for us. He always goes with Democrats. Massey is a complete and total disaster. We must make sure he loses big. That's a complete lie. This is a complete. I feel like it's like such. I feel like Brian Stelter, Soviet Russia type, but like it's actually true. Like that's a complete lie. Objectively, You know, like, like. Innocent people don't behave like that. I know people don't want to hear that.

[B]

No, it's true. Say it.

[A]

Innocent people don't behave like that. No.

[B]

It's just so funny because, like, you just like. And then, and then they'll say that Gavin Newsome has no respect. You know, like, it's just, it's so funny. Everyone's lost their ways.

[A]

Also, this, this email I did verify on JMail World and.

[B]

Oh, God, what does that mean?

[A]

This is from June 6, 2011, from Tom Pritzker of the billionaire Pritzker family, one of the richest families in the world, to Jeffrey Epstein. No, I am in a remote valley of Afghanistan. And then in parentheses, it's my birthday wish with boys with toys.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Spent time with Petraeus, referring to General Petraeus yesterday, and he loaned me a chopper. Actually two with one as a backup. Can't call till tomorrow. Now, I don't want to believe that that means what, what I think it means, but we all know we. It's been well documented in this studio by our friends who are tier one operators in Afghanistan. What goes on in Afghanistan as it relates to young boys. Oh, dude.

[B]

What the.

[A]

These people are just saying it on email. Just by the way, I remind you, even in 2011, actually way before that, you get sued in a civil case for, you know, a parking meter, your email can be discovered and put into a court case. Dude, that is like, like weird. Somewhere Carlo Gambino and Lucky Luchano and Frank Costello are looking at this going, oh my God, thank God. Like, like, this is why they wouldn't even talk on the phone.

[B]

They, they wouldn't be able to do anything now, you know, be over.

[A]

Yeah. And then there was an email that this was sinister. Jeffrey Epstein sent an email on March 15, 2018, to someone who is redacted. I'm gonna actually take a shot on this one. I think he sent this to a Huber R. All right. I believe he sent this to a Huber Rock. I have no proof of that. Zero proof. That's strictly speculation. Zero evidence. But I think he sent it to. And the subject is he was passed away. Meaning, like, they whacked him. Robert Maxwell threatened Mossad.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

He told them that unless they gave him 400 million euros to save his crumbling empire, he would expose all he had done for them in that time. And I do want to add here for context, Jeffrey is putting quotes around what he's saying here. So he is quoting something.

[B]

Quoting someone. Yeah.

[A]

Yes, I have to give him that on. On this one if we're going to look at it objectively. Okay.

[B]

Straight shooter.

[A]

In that time, he had free access to Margaret Thatcher's Downing Street, Ronald Reagan's White House, to the Kremlin, into the corridors of power throughout Europe. Maxwell passed on all the secrets he learned to Mossad and Tel Aviv. In turn, they tolerated his. His excesses, vanities, and insatiable appetite for a luxurious lifestyle. And women. He told his controllers who they should target and how they should do it. He appointed himself as Israel's unofficial ambassador to the Soviet block. It's very interesting that he sends a no context email with just quotes, no personal context added.

[B]

He's feeding someone lines.

[A]

Yes. One of the final emails Jeffrey Epstein sent before he was arrested on, I want to say that was July 7, 2019, returning from Paris, was an email he was in constant communication with Steve Bannon. I'm going to get to that in a minute, but look at this. Email thief. He sent it to himself. You want to read this?

[B]

Yeah, I'll read this. Mandelson, Barnaby, Summers, Watson, Axel Botstein, Kareem Terje, Pritzker, Edelman, Set, Lloyd, Martin, Novak, Minsky, Tata, Sus Kind, Strominger, Cross, Hopkins, Randall Koslin, Gardner Gates, Thiel Hoffman, Hoisinowski, Sheldrake, Sulzberger, Gestalle, Joshua Bach, Joi Ito, HBJ Burj, Miro Anas, Rafa, Sultan, Nathan, Feigenbaum, Ramachandran, Goldberg, Chadron.

[A]

By the way, you know who that is? No. That's Balon's mentor.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Keep going.

[B]

Goldberg, Damasio, Shristakis, Brockman, Hillis, Kaufman, Seligman, Gould, Sachs, John Kerry, George Mitchell Mandelbrot. Wow. Mandelbrot. Dude Chomsky Barack. Barack.

[A]

It's not that Barack. Two hours.

[B]

Two hours. Barack and Barack Zagat Nathan Brian Green Yao EO Wilson Prince Andrews Jaglin Clinton Pastrana Richardson, New Mexico. Leahy Jareki Schumer Ranieri Waheed Mongolia Gambit Ahud Jacques Language Woody Allen Churkin Sergey Google Founder Roomler Kathy Rumler Weingarten Amabani Rothschild Dershowitz Dershowitz Ken Stark Carp Alex Karp Dubai Castro Popal Queen Press King PM Mandelson Bellier Mete Middle Far From Gergen Melusinine Margarita Ovitz Barack Mobuto Khashoggi Rockefeller. Holy crap.

[A]

I don't know what it means. Nobody knows what it means. But it's provocative. It gets people going. The list just to give you an idea, like a quick kind of image, if you will. Interesting on JMail. This is the Steve Bannon list. Look at how long this is. This is all from 2019.

[B]

526 emails. Wow.

[A]

And Bannon would just send him I526 threads.

[B]

One of those threads had 137 emails on it.

[A]

Yeah. So let me just. I got some highlights. So Bannon sends on March 12, 2019, he quotes an article in sex offender plea deal case. White House declines to back Labor Secretary Acosta and then sends the link to the article. And Jeffrey then responds, how do you read it? And Bannon goes, like you are trying to make amends, do some good. Bannon, on August 19, 2018, sends an article to Jeffrey Epstein and he goes, ah, that's more like it. We need you to find the Exorcist Hat. Do you think you might want to come to Europe? Bannon responds, yes, but let's discuss There is a crazed jihad against you. I've never seen anything like it and I've seen a lot. Jeffrey Epstein goes, yes, no worry. November important to risk diversion mission first. Steve Bannon goes, exactly what is the mission? And he goes, but somebody big has you in the gun sights. Steve Bannon. And then there's a bunch of text messages, by the way, that were released. Steve Bannon was I, I, I don't care what you say. He wasn't just using this guy for a documentary or whatever C. Bannon was friends with this guy. Guy was friends with this guy. Straight up. His connections that go back to him that you could, you can paint all the way the 80s. I've talked about what Henry Abbott reported. Shout out to Henry Abbott reporting this in 2020 and 20, 21 years ago. He had it dead to rights. Huge shout out to that guy. I. I have said for years to people and I really have stayed away from this on air. I don't like getting involved in the drama. But you can attest to this. Steve and Alessio attest this like crazy. Alessi by the part series he's dropping on his channel, on YouTube. Lesi Alaman on Bannon that he's done based off a lot of things that I've discussed with him over the years. And then he went in and. And did all, you know, all the primary sourcing and everything. And, you know, he called me when he was pretty much done and he's just like, this is darkest thing I've ever looked at. Because I have told people for years that I think Steve Bannon is the most dangerous known man man in America. I've said that it has nothing to do with his politics. Nothing to do with his politics. But he. He is not a media guy. This is. This is someone. I don't know what or for who. I can't really put my finger on it, but this is an intelligence person 100% most of the time, as in 99.9999-9999-9999% of the time when some content creator or commentator is accused of being a spy, they're not. They're all some level of a useful idiot. We all are at some point. Okay. Some just all the time. And some once in a while when you don't catch it. It's just a part of being in the business. They're not spies, though. Even people that you revile and you're certain are. They're not. Steve Bannon is. I have been clear on this four years. And that was a good take. It's a really good take. Yeah.

[B]

Good one.

[A]

Yeah. So he's. I don't. I. I don't know. He's one guy. I've never been able to say, oh, this, that. Yeah, that. But something he, He. You know what I would describe him as? He's a Robert Maxwell type character. That's how I describe him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, doing a lot of work in a lot of places. Yep.

[B]

For a lot of people.

[A]

That's how I would describe Steve. Ben. So, yeah, I'm going nuclear. I don't give a. This Patreon dude go new. We're going nuclear on. On people who are clearly not on the right side of history here. That's another phrase that's been cringe in the past when people say that in this case it is not cringe. This is a very simple thing. You're either calling out dudes who are supporting, you know, mass sex trafficking or you're not. And if you're not, God help you.

[B]

I feel like this is also a big wake up for just like the average lame. And.

[A]

That'S the thing, like this is.

[B]

Like something, this is like a thing that is like inherently been happening forever. Like back to, you know, king Solomon had 700 wives.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Well you're right about, I wasn't thinking.

[B]

About from that but Narrow Tiberius, Caligula like this. All these people have been doing the things that all these crazy have been doing forever since the beginning of time.

[A]

It's frustrating. I mean, look, we can go on and on about this. There's people we didn't even get to. Larry Summers, I mentioned him briefly. There's a crazy email about him explaining how the Vatican really works and how the Pope Benedict, when Pope Benedict was stepping down, he's sending this email. Jeffrey Epstein is not really, you know, it's not really about that. It's tied to the Vatican bank and how the Vatican bank basically hides money for bad people around the world, which is just so casual. As the president of Harvard and ex Treasury Secretary is just like pointing that out. A fucking email.

[B]

I mean dude, that's like the great schism might be when high religion actually got hijacked for that type of shit.

[A]

Yeah. Brian Johnson also was on like one email with him and talking about meeting up with him in New York. And he's addressed it directly, did it in kind of a bit of an autistic way, saying way too much. But I think he's trying to rewrite how much he thought Jeffrey was sinister in the 10 minute Zoom meeting they, they ended having. But I do think, I do think that, you know, I do, I do believe Brian Johnson did because there's no other emails. It sounds like it never went past that. And he got connected with him and one thing he did say is he said it wasn't. He was connected to Jeffrey by some very legitimate people. And he said one thing that wasn't a part of my docket at the time was like going on and checking if someone was a registered sex offender. I could see that, I get that. You know, I could see that it's. It was nine years after he was convicted and I don't think Brian was in those circles as much in like 08. Like he was, you know, not as big. So I could see that Peter Atia. I, I don't even want to start on that. Peter Attia was best friends with this guy. His emails were some that I were certain were fake when I saw the screenshots and then they were verified. They were all real. Like people have seen that. You can read the articles on it to summarize it, you know. But the thing about Peter Attia is these emails were all 2015, 2016, 2017. The audacity it takes to go on shows like Joe Rogan and that whole network and blow the up, you know, in 2020, 2021, 2022 on, on some of the biggest shows in the world that openly discussed this case all the time. Knowing that you were good friends with this guy and knowing you got some cringe ass emails with hubris, bro.

[B]

All these, man, hubris, insane.

[A]

And then the last one I do want to mention before we go, Bill Gates, there's a crazy email.

[B]

I saw that one actually. Yeah.

[A]

Jeffrey Epstein is talking about some STD that he contracted with some girl I think on the island. But you know, with Epstein. And Bill Gates was freaking out because he was married to Melinda at the time and he gave it to Melinda and so he was trying to find some concoction that he could slip in her drink to help fight back against it. And poor Melinda Gates had to like respond to this on an interview and was just like, like stunned. And it's just, I, I, I, I can't, I can't keep talking about this. It just, you see how worked up I get. This is such a red line for me. And I don't give a. This is, this is Democrats, Republicans, it's everybody, man. It's got nothing to do, it's even.

[B]

Some Green Party folks.

[A]

Yeah. It's got nothing to do with politics. And, and it's, it's a civilizational.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Threat of a story.

[B]

Yeah. This is mainstream.

[A]

That is, that's the thing. If it is allowed to keep spiraling to more and more layers and things are figured out, it's, and I'm not being dramatic, it's the stuff that if you were able to actually get people like my dad to really lock in and understand it, you get enough people to do that that you know, they.

[B]

Should just figure out threat. They got to figure out a way to like work in stuff to like every Netflix show. And like, it's like, oh, my mom won't, she's just watching Real Housewives again. But then for like six minutes and Real Housewives, all their dialogue, they're like Wait, why are they talking about Dershowitz?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Should look into that. Sorry. Well, no funny note, Dave.

[A]

That's fine with me. I. I've. I think. I think we got it. I think I. I think I've had enough. But we'll see what keeps coming. I know Thomas Massey and Ro Connor are pushing for more to come out, so, yeah, let's see if that happens.

[B]

But next Friday afternoon at 5:30pm they'll, they'll. It'll come out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Friday after. Wait, when's the next holiday? When's the next long weekend?

[A]

Always a Friday.

[B]

It'll probably be Easter. It'll come out always a Friday.

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