#384 - "Smoking GUN!" - Julian UNLOADS on Creepiest New Epstein Files & Epstein RICHES | 384

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Julian Dorey Podcast #384: "Smoking GUN!" - Julian UNLOADS on Creepiest New Epstein Files & Epstein RICHES

Date: February 15, 2026
Host: Julian Dorey
Guest/Co-Host: Joey Dave
Summary Prepared By: Podcast Summarizer

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Episode Overview

In this explosive episode, Julian Dorey and Joey Dave dive deep into the latest, most disturbing revelations from the recent Jeffrey Epstein files release. They dissect the web of connections between the world's wealthiest elites, government officials, and intelligence agencies—exposing the culture of impunity and systemic coverup that has defined the Epstein saga. With their trademark mix of sharp analysis, irreverence, and outrage, the hosts unpack newly uncovered evidence, name names, critique political complicity, and call for unprecedented transparency and public outrage.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Culture of Elite Impunity

[02:18–10:05]

• The conversation starts by reviewing Howard Lutnick's (U.S. Commerce Secretary) exposed lies about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Julian expresses frustration over Lutnick's continued employment despite damning email evidence demonstrating repeated contact and visits to Epstein’s island with his family.

  • Julian (03:47): “We have the fucking emails, Howard. We saw all of them.”
  • The hosts lampoon Lutnick’s PR language (“untoward”) as emblematic of how detached these elites are from regular people.

• Insight: The hosts suggest this is a micro-elite—“the elite of the elite”—with such security in their own power and insulation from consequences that they openly flaunt the truth and expect zero pushback from the public or government.

2. Bipartisan & Systemic Coverup

[10:05–16:41]

• Julian stresses that Epstein’s protection and normalization was not a partisan issue. Multiple administrations, both Democrat and Republican, failed to act.
  • Julian (13:20): “This is a bipartisan coverup… [Bill] Clinton was on that plane 25 to 27 times… Epstein visited the White House through the back door 18 times while Bill Clinton was in the White House.”
  • A YouTube commenter nails it: “We’ve been fighting horizontally, it’s time to fight vertically.”
• Both hosts assert that the public must unite against those pulling “the levers of power”—the small, insulated group at the top.

3. The “Culture War” as Distraction

[16:41–21:17]

• The discussion shifts to how elites weaponize culture war issues to divide and distract the masses from real power struggles and systemic corruption.
  • Analogy to “pizza/pie slices” is used: people are intentionally made to fight over smaller and smaller domestic issues.
  • Julian (18:51): “They slice up the issue pie… today you’re gonna fight over transgender rights, tomorrow you’re gonna fight over BLM, the next day you’re gonna fight over masking—and they just distract you.”
• The hosts warn that this manufactured outrage keeps society fractured while corruption spreads unimpeded at the top.

4. Leon Black, Apollo Global & Epstein's Money Web

[21:17–38:25]

• The episode provides a primer on Leon Black, son of Eli Black (himself involved in high-level financial and political scandals), and the mysterious origins of both Apollo Global Management and Jeffrey Epstein's fortune.
  • Julian (27:07): “Leon Black paid Jeffrey Epstein an estimated $170 million in the last five years of his life for estate planning… No one’s paying $170 million for estate planning. That’s… insane.”
• Unpacking how Apollo’s acquisition of companies like LifeTouch (the largest U.S. school photo company) gives those in Epstein's orbit direct access to American children's data—raising chilling questions about intent and complicity.
• Key Insight: Following the money, the strongest common thread in the entire case, reveals how financial crime, cultural manipulation, child exploitation, and intelligence operations are entangled.

5. The Global & Intelligence Connections

[38:25–45:21]

• The hosts speculate on international links, discussing Israel’s Mossad, the influence of French and British intelligence, and the role of foreign banks (notably French banks) in funding and facilitating both Epstein’s and Bannon’s rise.
• Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie, two U.S. Congressmen, get rare bipartisan praise for their dogged investigative work—including new revelations about how the UK monarchy and figures like Peter Mandelson are intertwined with the scandal.
  • [40:40] Ro Khanna: “Mandelson may bring down the whole government from what I hear… this is the most vulnerable the British monarchy has ever been… maybe this will be the end of the monarchy.”

6. The Cassandra Problem: What Happens If Nothing Changes?

[45:21–60:34]

• The hosts reflect on the dangers of normalization and public inertia if no real change results from these disclosures.
  • Julian (47:42): “What happens if nothing really does come of these things? If absolutely nothing comes of it, other than some fun scandals on X?”
• There is a divide between those engaged with the depth and seriousness of the case and the “blissfully ignorant.” The implication is that widespread apathy or selective engagement will enable the rot to continue, which could eventually lead to dangerous upheaval or “fourth turning” revolutionary cycles.

7. How Revolutions End—A Call for “Chemotherapy”, Not Burn-It-Down

[58:45–60:34]

• Drawing on the American and Iranian revolutions, Julian posits that while total destruction would be satisfying to some, it’s often more dangerous and results in worse systems (“the bottom of the boot becomes the boot itself”).
  • Julian (59:02): “A lot of revolutions end in totalitarianism because the bottom of the boot becomes the boot itself.”
  • Advocates for “massive chemotherapy”—targeted and systemic purging of corrupted structures, not reckless destruction.

8. The ‘Big Thread’: The Missing Link in Epstein’s Fortune

[77:35–end, main sequence at 90:00–93:50]

• Julian highlights the ongoing mystery of how Jeffrey Epstein originally became so wealthy, with speculation that the missing $400 million from Robert Maxwell’s (Ghislaine’s father) pension scam conveniently coincides with Epstein’s sudden rise.
  • Narrative ties Maxwell’s death, Mossad and intelligence agencies, and the massive unexplained influx of cash into Epstein’s world to suggest a pipeline from European royalty/intel into American finance and blackmail operations.
  • Julian (90:57): “I hope someone smarter than me out there with more means and access to information can... figure out that transition from Robert Maxwell to Jeffrey Epstein. Because 400 million is a hell of a thread.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• [03:47] Julian: “We have the fucking emails, Howard. We saw all of them.”
• [13:20] Julian: “This is a bipartisan coverup… [Bill] Clinton was on that plane 25 to 27 times… Epstein visited the White House through the back door 18 times while Bill Clinton was in the White House.”
• [18:51] Julian: “They slice up the issue pie… today you’re gonna fight over transgender rights, tomorrow you’re gonna Fight over BLM... and they just distract you.”
• [27:07] Julian: “Leon Black paid Jeffrey Epstein an estimated $170 million in the last five years of his life for estate planning… No one’s paying $170 million for estate planning. That’s… insane.”
• [40:40] Ro Khanna: “Mandelson may bring down the whole government from what I hear… this is the most vulnerable the British monarchy has ever been… maybe this will be the end of the monarchy.”
• [59:02] Julian on revolution: “A lot of revolutions end in totalitarianism because the bottom of the boot becomes the boot itself very, very quickly. And Iran… was an amazing example of that.”
• [90:57] Julian on the missing millions: “I hope someone smarter than me out there with more means and access to information can... figure out that transition from Robert Maxwell to Jeffrey Epstein. Because 400 million is a hell of a thread.”

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Important Timestamps

• Howard Lutnick fallout & elite impunity: [02:18–10:05]
• Bipartisan coverup & “fighting vertically”: [10:05–16:41]
• Culture war as distraction (“pizza/pie slices”): [16:41–21:17]
• The money trail: Leon Black, Apollo, LifeTouch: [21:17–38:25]
• International, intelligence community & monarchy connections: [38:25–45:21]
• Elite impunity & the apathy problem: [45:21–60:34]
• The dangers of revolution & “chemotherapy” model: [58:45–60:34]
• Deep dive: The real origins of Epstein’s wealth, Maxwell connection: [77:35–93:50]

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In-Depth Documentary Review

• The latter part of the episode features analysis and clips from Alessia Alaman's investigative documentaries, which reveal:
  • The French bank Credit Lyonnais's pivotal role in funding both the rise of Apollo Global (Leon Black) after Drexel Burnham collapsed, and aiding Robert Maxwell (alleged intelligence asset) just before his death and financial implosion.
  • Steve Bannon, Leon Black, and Epstein’s paths repeatedly converge—financially and geographically—suggesting a tightly interlocked elite network lubricated by international finance and espionage.

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Closing: Call to Action

• Julian closes with a call for continued public pressure, nonpartisan unity, and relentless attention to the Epstein case, noting that serious momentum is finally building, but urging listeners to “boil your pot of the ocean” and demand accountability at the highest levels.

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• The episode is passionate, energized, peppered with explicit language and dark humor, yet ultimately despairing at ongoing elite protection and public disengagement.
• The throughline: The Epstein scandal is not just about individual crimes but about the entire infrastructure of elite impunity, multinational financial crime, and the bipartisan political rot that must be systematically exposed and dismantled.

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Listen if you want:

• An engaging, thorough breakdown of the latest Epstein revelations and what they imply for US/UK elites, financial power, and intelligence operations.
• To hear arguments for uniting across party lines to hold the “micro-elite” accountable.
• Sharp, irreverent commentary that mixes true crime, politics, investigative reporting, and cultural critique.

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Next up on the podcast:

• An interview with an Epstein victim and a guest expert to break down the emails in expert detail.

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Transcript

[Julian Dory]

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[Julian Dory]

How Jeffrey Epstein Got His Money. How He Got Rich. There's a thread that I've never seen the brilliant investigators really pull on that's so fascinating to me that I hope someone smarter than me out there with more means and access to information can pull on and and figure out that's worth discussing, and that is the transition from Robert Maxwell to Jeffrey Epstein. So Robert Maxwell dies. What's up guys? Thank you as always for hitting this video. Three quick things. Number one, if you are not already subscribed, please do me a favor and hit that subscribe button. We are going to be having a long sit down with an Epstein victim coming up and we also have a very special returning guest to break down all the emails in a very expert way. You are not going to want to miss it. Number two, if you would like to see early uncensored releases of my episodes on Patreon, you can join via the link in the description below. And number three, if you'd like to check out previous episodes of the podcast, that playlist is also listed down below which includes episode 381 which I put out a week ago where we go through all the emails from the latest tranche of the Epstein files drop. Enjoy this episode with me and my boy Joey Deef. Remember, we fed that woman to the shark. We fed her to the shark. We fed her to the shark thief.

[Joey Dave]

That's my favorite thing.

[Julian Dory]

That's the best thing ever.

[Joey Dave]

We fed her to the shark.

[Julian Dory]

Better right to the shark. Shout out. Tim Dillon. That was an incredible pro. Incredible ramp. But welcome back to the Great Society show, everyone. If you're watching this on YouTube right now, you're watching it after it was released on Patreon. You can join the Patreon in the link below for our weekly show that Deef and I do. But I am Julian Dory and I'm Joey Dave.

[Joey Dave]

How you doing?

[Julian Dory]

How you doing? So obviously last week we had the episode that we put out where we were just reacting to all the emails that had come out with the latest tranches of Epstein files. And we're continuing to get more information because there were 3 million in there. And obviously I was pretty worked up when it came to the Howard Lutnick stuff because to see someone at that level, in this case the Commerce Secretary of these United States of America, tell such a beautifully crafted, I might add, dramatically told, if you will, story about the last time he saw Jeffrey Epstein in 2005, and actually stare into the, into the eyes of the interviewer on that podcast he did back in October and say, and in the six to eight steps it takes to get from my house, from his house to mine, I told my wife that I will never be in the room with that disgusting individual ever again. And we cooked his ass. Because obviously the emails revealed that he was in the room with Jeffrey Epstein. And in fact, deep right after that member, he said, so I decided that I would never be in the room with him socially for business.

[Joey Dave]

Yep.

[Julian Dory]

Or even philanthropy. And really what Howard was doing was he was recalling all the things that he was in the room with Jeffrey about because we have the fucking emails, Howard. We saw all of them.

[Joey Dave]

So stupid asshole, Howard.

[Julian Dory]

Yeah, very, very, very stupid, man. But I'm gonna get to the point about how these people think about you and me and all of us out here in a second. But that little crash out I had just around the one hour mark of that episode was completely. I did, I didn't even see that coming. But I think that was just the anger of having looked at this case for seven years and never reacted in the way that felt proper, which is just let it out, you know, have like a little yell session. So if that was a little loud for people, I do apologize for that. I do not apologize for the point that I made. I think it's an important point because as we sit here today, Joseph D. Philippus on Friday the 13th, oh, at 2:55pm Eastern Standard Time, this jerk off, Howard Lutnick still has a job. The President has been asked about it at press conferences and said, yeah, I didn't know he visited the island. I had, but I never went to the island. And he hasn't fired him. And actually even I would say more significantly, Howard Lutnick. And this is the point I wanted to make about the elites. Howard Lutnick has not had the decency to resign. Okay? Now, hopefully by the time this comes out on Saturday, he's done that, you know, a Little Friday night news dump.

[Joey Dave]

I don't know about that, right?

[Julian Dory]

I don't know. Hey, look, I'd love to. To think he's gonna do the right thing.

[Joey Dave]

I'm calling him Howie from now on. Just cuz, like, he reminds me of, like, I want to give him a little shake of his hair. Like, you dumb little.

[Julian Dory]

There is no hair there, you scumbag. You want to rub the dome?

[Joey Dave]

You're saying, yeah, I don't know what. I might disappear if that happens.

[Julian Dory]

You might disappear if that happens.

[Joey Dave]

You don't know what they're cooking up.

[Julian Dory]

It's like saying Biggie Smalls in a. In a mirror three times. Like, you know, well, that.

[Joey Dave]

You know what happens if you do that.

[Julian Dory]

Don't. We don't talk. We're on air right now. Thief.

[Joey Dave]

Sorry.

[Julian Dory]

Remember, this time it's not just for Patreon.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah, no, I. That's where I got I up last week. I, you know, I. I was like, oh, we're doing a Patreon episode. You know, I'm gonna eat this 10 milligram gummy and, you know, hang out, and I show up looking like a school shooter with my hood up and sunglasses on, and I'm like, I left here. And I'm like, all right, well, that was. That was good. I didn't really say much. And then Julian's like, yeah, we're gonna make that episode. I was like, that's. Well, that's great, because I look wonderful and just present. So, yeah, every one of the comments was like, this motherfucker in the other chair don't even need to be there. I was like, damn, he's not right. Or not.

[Julian Dory]

Don't worry about the comments, Steve. The people love you. But.

[Joey Dave]

Oh, I love that.

[Julian Dory]

All aside, what I was saying is the fact, thief, that this guy has not resigned and had the decency to do that.

[Joey Dave]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian Dory]

Is a direct reflection of how this very small micro elite, which is what I think we need to start calling them, because we are talking about the elite of the. Of the elite, the literal billionaires, slash, in some cases, when they aren't billionaires, people who are at the tops of the bureaucracies and organizations that, quote, unquote, you know, are in charge of how the world functions on a daily basis. These people look at all of us, as we have seen in the emails, as useless containers of bodies that just exist around them to steal the oxygen that we should have absolutely no right to steal. It's probably why they did all the climate change on us and everything. But Howard Lutnick went into that congressional hearing on. What was that? Tuesday morning Def. Yeah, I believe it was Tuesday morning. And with a dead straight face, fully admitted to the members of the board there, or what do they even call it? I never remember the fucking. The committee. I'm sorry, the wrong guy. To the members of the committee. That yes, in fact he did lie through his teeth fucking four months ago in that interview where he told that dramatic story about the first and last time he ever spent time with his fucking wall sharing neighbor Jeffrey Epstein. And he did in fact take his whole family and he mentioned the whole thing. His wife, his children, his friends and their children and all of our nannies didn't ask how old they were. I don't even wanna know. To pedophile island in 2012. And he, he couldn't recall why, why they did it, but he can guarantee that they were there for an hour and quote, nothing untoward happened. Let me, let me give you a little piece of PR advice, Howard. Normal people don't say the word untoward. Normal people don't say that, my friend, okay? They, they, they don't talk like this. They don't talk like that's a normal thing to say. As if, like that's gonna. Oh, by the way, that means I'm innocent and everything. But it was very interesting to me that the guy also decided to like the way he phrased it was. We were there for about an hour and I left the island with my wife and with my kids and our nannies. As opposed to what? Leaving them fucking behind? What were you just gonna be like, all right, I'll dock the boat? You know what? Me and fucking Lurman old lure, we're gonna go for a deep sea fishing trip. Why don't you girls stay here with Jeff and have a fucking day? Like, was that, was that on the table? Summer jobs, Summer jobs. So that's a great point, Def. They were right of age at the oldest ones, right? The 16 year old.

[Joey Dave]

It's nepotism, you know? You know in the summer you say to your dad of your buddies, has to have a job for me this summer. Let me work the snack stand or something at the island. Oh, who goes to an island for an hour too?

[Julian Dory]

Come on, for an hour?

[Joey Dave]

An hour. You couldn't even say, like, we went for the afternoon. Like, what a dog lie. He went for one hour.

[Julian Dory]

Well, you know, one lie spirals into another that even when you cover the lie, you start to lie again and you don't even know you're lying. But the fact that he did this all with a straight face and almost said it like this, and that's all it was. And then, you know, obviously we can get into the 2015 dealings with them, the drinks in 2011 and 2012. And this is just what we know about on emails. We don't know about the rest of the shit they were doing or if there were text exchange. We don't have that.

[Joey Dave]

They might have had a door that led into each other's homes.

[Julian Dory]

They might. It might have been like a fucking Sheridan Inn. Maybe they still do that in the elites, right, where they like share a fucking door.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah.

[Julian Dory]

Someone's doing coke in one room, then you come to the other room just to hit the bong.

[Joey Dave]

Yep.

[Julian Dory]

Right?

[Joey Dave]

Yeah, it would make sense.

[Julian Dory]

Why not? And then he left the hearing. He was dogged by reporters outside about resigning, ignored all of them and continued to do his job all week. This guy thinks that you and I and all of us are so stupid and so worthless that he can look us in the eyes. I'll give him that. Cuz he was sitting there in public looking into the eyes of the people on the committee and therefore into the eyes of America, and say, yes, I lied completely. I concocted an entire story that went out publicly in front of all of you in a dramatic voice and dramatic tone, telling you how I did not in fact associate with the most prolific, awful, disgusting pedophile maybe to ever live, among other things as well, money launderer, Armstrong, trafficker. We'll talk about all that. But despite that, it's okay. Here's what I did do with him. I associated with him all the time. And by the way, I'm gonna go back to doing my job right now. What the fuck are you gonna do about it? That's essentially what he did, America. And he dropped the mic as of right now. And it is emblematic of how these people view all of us. So I just thought that was a perfect chef's kiss. Yeah. On the week and the, the way that the administration has handled this. We'll get to my least favorite Italian American later, Pam Bondi. But the way that they have handled this is a master class in how to not handle a crisis. It is a master class in what not to do. If you wanted to write, if you wanted to write a Maxwell published textbook on this, you know, you might say that this would be the how to not do PR for Dummies. I don't know, something like that. And it's extremely Disappointing because obviously it's also breaking a bunch of campaign promises when you're doing the COVID up, which is also probably illegal, which is also a whole can of worms legally down the line. We'll talk about that later. But it's just, it's, at the end of the day, it's embarrassing. That said, I do want to make this point. This is, this is a really big opportunity for the left and the right to unite here because let's, let's not get something lost here, right? We're focused on the administration and at hand, the Trump administration, for their current role in all this, as we should be. But this, this has been covered up through multiple administrations. Oh yeah, Democrat, Republican alike. So all these, we're going to put Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie to the side for a second and I'm going to say Nancy Mace as well. I've been very impressed with some things in the past few days that she's going out of her way to, we might get to that at some point. We're gonna put them to the side for a second. All these Democrats that are getting these fucking finger roll layup wins because they get to ask the most simple, obvious question that's literally from an email that shows guilt right in front of them to these people that they're gonna get a political win on. You know, that's just because Trump has given them that win by making this a problem, creating the biggest Streisand effect of all time, calling it a hoax, saying it's nothing, redacting names and making people look at it more and get more suspicious and then see that it's bad and then assume it's even worse as well. And we might be right about that, by the way. But like the Democrats had every chance to bring this out in the Biden administration. They didn't. They had a chance to bring this to light while this guy was walking free, I might add, during the Obama administration and then during the first Trump administration as well. This is a bipartisan coverup. We all know Bill Clinton was on that plane 25 to 27 times. The Lolita Express. We all know that at, from what we even know about publicly, it could be more than this. Jeffrey Epstein visited the White House through the back door pause 18 times while Bill Clinton was in the White House. So like this is a moment where the, the fog of war, if you will, between all these people on the left and right who fight each other. You know, it's, it's all the same color through the fog. There's no blue and there's no red. I saw a YouTube commenter on, I believe it was the episode I did with John Rondi. I think it was from that, because we had talked about the Epstein files when I was on that last week. Shout out John. But I saw a commenter on that video say something along the lines of we've been fighting horizontally and it's time to fight vertically. And that is one of the most brilliant things. I've used it since then. So shout out to whoever you are, because on YouTube that's the thing. Like people, it's like private names, you can't really give credit like you could on Instagram. So shout out to that person. But that's exactly what this is. You know, when I talked last week about there being no such thing as a Democrat and Republican, I mean that as a broad statement. Obviously people have different ideas on solutions. That's healthy. That's America. It's the yin to the yang. I have my problems with the two party system, a lot of problems. But like it's the offset of each other. At the end of the day, if you were looking at it under a perfect microscope, putting that to the side, the things that we want that people want, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, health, family, freedom. That's what everybody wants, regardless of what your ideas for a solution may be. So when we see something like this, where every end of both parties has serious complicity with an enormous cover up and one of the worst syndicate, if you will, crimes ever committed, espionage, it's got the whole nine with it. When you see them both complicit over decades and guilty in this scenario, it is a moment where you have to think about the levers of power, the people who pull them and therefore where the target of our ire should be directed towards and the target of our ire should be directed towards that micro elite to the people that think that they are better than you and me, because they do. So I hope, and the cynic in me says we won't do this because we just get so pissed off at each other online. But I hope at least with my little pot of the ocean here that I'm boiling, there will be more people who think like this as well, who will boil their pots and all of our pots put together will create a little movement here to where we can start at least agreeing on something and getting rid of the rot.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah, the punching horizontal is the culture war.

[Julian Dory]

It's the culture war, that's what it is. Our punching up I remember last year in January 2025, the first time it snowed. I of course wanted to go for a walk out there. I love to walk, even when it's snowing and it's cold. But I came home to the soggy, disgusting, very, very cold and frigid freezing feet because I didn't have good socks on. And my dumb ass also didn't wear boots, by the way. That was part of it. But you got socks because they can actually stop it. This year, on the contrary, when it snowed, I went for my walk and once again, I wore my Nikes, not boots, because I didn't learn my lesson there, but I had on my hollow socks and I came home feeling way warmer down there, where it's important to not get frostbite. And just what are hollow socks, you ask? Well, they're premium alpaca boot socks built for cold mornings, long days on your feet and everything in between. Hollow socks are made from ultra soft baby alpaca fiber, which allows them to be thermo regulating, warm below freezing, but comfortable when it warms up. They're also also three times warmer than wool without the bulk. Obviously, when you're wearing socks, you want to be comfortable all day, so it's important that they feel buttery soft rather than scratchy. And that buttery soft feeling is exactly what you're going to get with hollow socks. And also, this is a brand that's made in the USA, trusted by athletes and has over 2 million pairs sold right now for a limited time only, Hollow Socks is having a buy2get2 free sale. So head on over to HollowSocks.com today. That link is in my description below to check it all out. That's HollowSocks.com link in my description below for 50% off your entire order. After you purchase, they're going to ask you where you heard about them. You can support our show by telling them I sent you. We heard you. Nine years of bring back the snack wrap and you've won. But maybe you should have asked for more. Say hello to the hot honey snack wrap. Now you've really won. Go to McDonald's and get it while you can. Yeah, we had the other day, I think it was Sunny Faz was talking about like the pizza. Yeah, no pun intended by the way. He was talking about how they slice up the elites.

[Joey Dave]

Will he call it you pizza or something?

[Julian Dory]

Yeah, yeah. But they slice up the issue pizza. And they say, all right, today you're gonna fight over transgender rights, tomorrow you're gonna Fight over blm. The next day you're gonna fight over masking, and they just distract you. And it goes back to that Stephen Kinser story I've told a million times about what Nixon told Carter. That's the plan. That's what they do. They make you fight and scream at each other over these little 5% moves domestically that happen in domestic policy. So they can do all the shit underground. It's like kind of a big fucking problem. Right.

[Joey Dave]

And then you get your little kindergarten pizza slice that's like that wide.

[Julian Dory]

That's right from the body. I like. I like that visual. That was. That was a really true. That was a really smart way that he put that.

[Joey Dave]

There's like a parallel to that with what we talked about in the last couple episodes with, like, people being propaganda Gandhis but getting something for it. Back in the day, yes, you had a way bigger slice of pizza, so you were. You were like, all right, whatever. But now, like, we're literally just getting like this and where people are like, I've had enough of this shit.

[Julian Dory]

I'm going to make an executive decision. I'll talk to Sonny about this afterwards. Because it was his initial idea. I'm going to make an executive decision to change the term pizza to pie.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah.

[Julian Dory]

Just for the optics of this. Because there are now things that. That are used as code in these emails that I can't, you know, I can't say aren't. There's not a there there.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah, no, definitely not.

[Julian Dory]

So anyway, we got some good stuff coming today. My long time, you know, unsung hero behind the scenes with this show, Alessia Laman, who's got an amazing channel. We're not gonna do this yet, Deep. We're gonna do one thing before it. But. But he's been putting out some unbelievable documentaries that I'm, like, so proud of as well, because these last two, he put out on, like, the Steve Bannon Epstein relationship. And this is something that, like, I've directed him towards for years, like, going through it and having conversations about the evidence and all that. And unless he put all that together in, like, a linear way, one documentary is like 40 minutes and lays out like, like the backstory, and then the next one gets down into the nitty gritty of it. And in the second one, which the click through and watch time on, that's insane. But it's not doing as well as the first one. The second one is the best documentary ever done on that relationship. Because unless he followed the money, he put the banks Together. He put the international banks together. And we're going to talk about that in a little bit here because it is. It is worth a ton of attention. And we will link that video down below. Don't let me forget to do that. Deep.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah, my gosh.

[Julian Dory]

So that people can check that out for themselves afterwards. But you're going to see some of it here. Highly recommend checking that whole thing out before we get there. I think because of what he discusses in that documentary, it's very important to give Leon Black his much awaited day in the sun on this show. This is a guy we've talked about over the years. But Deep, you were telling me all about what you learned about Leon Black's father.

[Joey Dave]

Huh? Yeah. Leon Black's father wasn't just some average black man. No, I'm kidding, everybody.

[Julian Dory]

I'm kidding.

[Joey Dave]

I'm just here for comedy. How are you? Jodie Philippus. Pleasure to meet you. From Wayne, New Jersey. Yeah. No, so Leon Black's father, I was like, oh, this Leon Black guy, he's a real piece of shit. I wonder if it runs in the blood. Yeah, it runs in the blood all right. As it always does. He is the son of Eli Black. Name ring a bell?

[Julian Dory]

Sounds like a 44th floor to me.

[Joey Dave]

44 floor.

[Julian Dory]

What?

[Joey Dave]

Pan Am.

[Julian Dory]

Yeah.

[Joey Dave]

I used to love flying Pan Am.

[Julian Dory]

Back in the day.

[Joey Dave]

Back in the day when you could.

[Julian Dory]

Actually drink and no one bothered you.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah. So I'm gonna pull this on up for you. It's already up. There you go. It's like I'm back on the gummy. But anyway, his father is this man named Eli Black.

[Julian Dory]

All right, so the Banana King who tried to put people over profits. I'm going to summarize the very beginning of this, Steve, because this was interesting, by the way. I didn't know this part about him, but Leon Black's father, Eli, was one of the initial guys to try to, like, be a part of coining the ESG movement, which is like environmental sustainability, governance, or whatever the fuck it stands for within corporations. ESG is one of the ultimate projections of all time when it comes to corporations. Because whenever they say we're just trying to do things that are in the best interest of the shareholder and our employees and having their rights and being able to do things in an environmentally sustainable way, that means that maybe at first they do a couple of those things to make it look good on the surface, but eventually they are going to do the exact opposite of that. Right. And that is what Eli Black decided not to Stick around long enough to face the music on because apparently when he took United Fruit and their operations to the moon in Honduras, he was buddy buddy with a dictator. And so when the dictator. What was the guy's name again? Gail. I think his name was Gail. When. When so. And so Gail was incapacitated from a stroke somewhere around 1973, 1974. Arellano, who followed him up, basically took power. Are. And so in order to keep the. And again, I'm skipping over a lot of the boring details here, but you guys can check out this article for yourself with the full explanation of all the ESG things that Eli Black was doing. But in order to keep the. Almost like it's not a perfect parallel, but Ponzi Schemy kind of esg, but not esg. So business can be a booming and we can make lots of money in America coming back kind of thing. In order to keep that going, he paid a seven figure bribe, Tariano and was caught. And so when he was caught, he did the honorable thing like Frank Pantangeli. The Romans back in the day, they would, they would take their arm and ah, that's how cool. All over the table. But he, you know, just took the 44 story, you know, jumping.

[Joey Dave]

He was like a Japanese fighter pilot. Straight to the ground.

[Julian Dory]

Straight to the ground. Better. To the sharks, him. To the sharks.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah, that'll do it. That'll do it. When did that happen too?

[Julian Dory]

1975. Yeah.

[Joey Dave]

Right.

[Julian Dory]

So he.

[Joey Dave]

Yep. February 3rd.

[Julian Dory]

There it is right here in Manhattan, not too far away from here. That's where all the good happens, allegedly. But apparently he did not live to face the music. That said, his son was undeterred by the sins of the father at all. His son forged right ahead. And I've talked about this a ton before, and this will eventually lead into Alessi's documentary here. I just want to make sure we cover a few of the points first for context. But yeah, yeah, Henry Abbott from True Hoop. And that. That's a real thing. Okay. Is an unsung hero in the Epstein case who gets no credit. And I was very happy to see Alessi shout out the out of Henry Abbott. Henry Abbott has run this blog, True Hoop, which is an NBA blog for like two decades. He was on I knew True Hoop from growing up. He was on ESPN.com now ESPN started having a lot of problems in the 2010s, so they ended up laying off like all the talent there. So True Hoop got cut eventually Maybe in like 2015, 2016, 2017, and Henry Abbott took the blog out on his own and continued writing about the NBA. Fast forward to 2020. He sees the multiple teams are owned by scions of Apollo Global Management, a major private equity firm in New York City, including my Philadelphia 76ers. I think I started to mention this last week, but we're really going to dig into this now. So he decides, you know, once Epstein had at that point been unalive.

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[Julian Dory]

Have to say it like that and you know, he suddenly starts making a line and saying, well Epstein's really tied to Apollo Global because the guys who run Apollo Global came from a company called Trexel Burnham Lambert. I believe that was the name. If I up one of the names, I'm sorry, but it was Michael Milken's Junk bonds house. Michael Milken is the famous founder who later actually went to prison for I think, think three or four years because the junk bonds blew up in the late 80s after Black Monday. And these guys like Leon Black were there with him at Drexel Burnham Lantern Lambert. And so when they left and that's where Alessi's documentary is going to fill something in here. So I'll wait on that. But essentially Leon started Apollo Global with the young Josh Harris and oh my God, I forget the other guy's name. Damn it. Was it David Blitzer? Might have been David Blitzer if I that up. David Blitzer was one of the co owners with Harris on the Sixers. I can't remember if he was the co founder of Apollo as well.

[Joey Dave]

But here you got Leon Black, Mark Rowan, Mark.

[Julian Dory]

So it wasn't Blitzer, Mark Rowan and Tony Ressler right along with Josh Harris. But Leon Black's the top dog there. And Henry Abbott sits there and says I wonder if there's a connection between Epstein and the guys who currently own the teams. So he starts this investigation and does amazing work but realizes, oh my God. This two or three part investigation series that I was going to do has way more layers than that. Long story short, short it turns into a 21 part series. It's enough for a very big dense book and it is in my opinion one of the greatest research pieces ever written. It spans all the way back to the Treaty of Versailles and Henry Abbott had a chapter in there. I want to say it was, it's been years since I read it. I want to say it was maybe like chapter 18 or something like that called Steve Bannon. And I remember the podcast was in my parents house at the time. I remember reading that and like pacing around My house. Stunned at how layered this was with the money and the places the money went and the culture the money went to. Steve Bannon used to have this quote that rings in my head. He would talk about it during the time Trump was running in 2016. That is. It sends. It sends a shiver up my spine now because it actually represents the tentacles of his career. He says politics is downstream from culture. Yep. You win the culture, you win the politics. It's not the other way around. Brown. Yep. And he was. By the way, Steve Bannon's a brilliant man. He's a very bad guy. He's a brilliant man. He's 100 right about that. And what he did in finance was he hacked into the culture. Unless he talks all about that in his documentary. A lot of you referred. That was a lot of the first part of his documentary. So there's two videos, but the first one broke that down, obviously. Like, for example, just this one off here. Steve Bannon was one of the finance guys for Seinfeld and put that whole thing together. He gets paid royalties on every Seinfeld episode that. That. That plays. So that's why part of the reason why Steve Bannon is uber, uber wealthy. But Henry Abbott writes this whole thing out and makes all these connections. And that also connects, therefore, to Leon Black, who did not own any of the NBA teams, but he was the founder of this company. That was at the heart of the investigation that he was doing. Leon Black paid Jeffrey Epstein an estimated $170 million in the last five years of his life for estate planning. Can we Google Leon Black's net worth?

[Joey Dave]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Julian Dory]

The idea of spending. I don't think.

[Joey Dave]

There you go, Bubba.

[Julian Dory]

13. So 13 billion. Okay. Obviously a lot more than 170 million. 170 is a number I would expect Elon Musk's bills to be for that. Yeah. Because he's worth damn near a trillion. No one's paying $170 million for estate plan. Estate planning. That's. If you're paying that, you are being robbed. I don't care if it's Michelangelo level work. That's not. That percentage of his wealth to estate planning is absolutely insane. So that never made any sense. But Leon also was always placed at Jeffrey's East 71st street townhouse in New York. He was there often. And. And he has been accused over the years of heinous things. They are all allegations. I do have to say that you can read some of them for yourself online if you want to Google Leon Black minors allegations do it. It's dark. I mean, I, I, I can't even say a couple of the things that he's accused of cuz it'll probably get this video nuked, but it's that bad. And this is a guy who along with his wife, I believe you can check me on this. Def was literally like the chairman of the board of MoMA in New York Museum of Modern Art. You know, this, this is someone not only uber wealthy, but at the heart of culture and finance and many different things.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah.

[Julian Dory]

And he has come into the news once again in a creepy way this week because it was revealed that through his, I believe it was through Apollo deef.

[Joey Dave]

Was that what it was through a company he co founded called Life Touch. I can check right now if Life. You tell us, Steve, what was this one by Apollo? But yeah, this, this just kind of surfaced.

[Julian Dory]

Okay.

[Joey Dave]

It's not owned by Apollo. Looking that up now.

[Julian Dory]

I'll read what you have there at least. Yeah. So schools all over the US are canceling Picture Day due to Leon Black, the co founder of the parent company, which is not Apollo, as Steve just looked up, but it's another company that owns LifeTouch and he's listed in the Epstein files. So they are canceling Picture Day. Life Touch is the biggest school picture company in America and photographs millions of kids every year. Not here. I gotta think.

[Joey Dave]

Look at this.

[Julian Dory]

Oh no.

[Joey Dave]

So LifeTouch wasn't owned by Apollo Global, but in 20 it was instead acquired by Shutterfly. But Shutterfly was acquired by Apollo Global in 2019.

[Julian Dory]

Okay, so it is Apollo.

[Joey Dave]

So it is Apollo Global.

[Julian Dory]

I have to say this just because I have to look at the facts as we know them.

[Joey Dave]

That's insane.

[Julian Dory]

It's possible that this is nothing possible. Possible that Apollo just wanted to buy a company that had a lot of assets that they could get good passive income on.

[Joey Dave]

Shutterfly bought it for 825 million.

[Julian Dory]

So it's possible. It does not say for sure. Guilt. But what I can tell you is a dude with the allegations against him like Leon Black, with the ties that he has with the people that he's tied to with the espionage people that he's tied to with the actions of his life. Owning a company like that. This is a data war we're in in the modern day. Everybody, it doesn't look good. Those are your children who are photographed and their data stored. There's a lot that can be done with that. I talk to people all the time about everyone posting their kids, even like on Instagram and you know, like, I, I question a lot of that and you know, easy for me to say because I'm, I'm not a father, but I don't know about all that stuff because the way things can go these days with tools from nefarious individuals and organizations. Yeah, that's not something I want to figure out later. And considering that among many things that Jeffrey Epstein was doing, he was running a giant sex trafficking ring of which a large portion of it included and was about children, one would think a great place to be able to target some data if you were trying to run an organization or an app like that into the future would be having the data on all of our kids in America so that you could find the ones through face matching technology and stuff like that to trace where they live, what kind of socioeconomic background they're from, which you can already do. Looking at the schools and just making an educated guess based on location and, and general income of the area and stuff like that, and figuring out just one here and one there who's a good target. It's. And that sent a shiver up both of our spines, as it should. I'm, I'm sure it sends a shiver up yours. The more that gets built against this guy from an allegation standpoint, referring to Leon Black, the more impossible it is to believe that he is not a very, very complicit individual in things that are probably, and not probably logically, beyond just Jeffrey Epstein.

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[Julian Dory]

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[Julian Dory]

And we talked about it in, in the last episode, who Epstein worked for. Based on my opinion, based on all the facts we've had there, obviously it's very clear this guy worked with Israel. And you have to wonder if people like Leon Black are funneling money to him and stuff, are they working for. For them as well? That is. That is a very reasonable, as Howard Lutnick would say, cutting question.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah, well, only time will tell. Or maybe not.

[Julian Dory]

Yeah. What? By the way, one more thing before some of the stuff in Alessi's banning documentary for us to talk about. Yeah, what's up, Ro? Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie are. Are doing some great work on this case for sure. And the thing, you know, I. I've heard Rona talk over the years and I have a similar opinion on his communication as I do to Thomas Massie. They're very, very, almost like monotone matter of fact, guys, which is actually refreshing. Now, Massey, I have never seen him get worked up the way he got worked up at Pam Bondi. And I gotta say, I fully understand that, especially some of the. She was saying to him. I've never ever seen him like that. He's not normally like that. It was like a. It's like my crash out kind of. You know what I mean?

[Joey Dave]

Pretty cool, dude.

[Julian Dory]

Yeah. But Rokana have this video.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah, I got it locked and loaded.

[Julian Dory]

She said something very interesting because Roe and Massie were given access by the DOJ over the past week to go visit for a couple hours to review the redacted files that had been released with, you know, Black redactions on them to see what was under those redactions because they weren't supposed to be redacted. And Roe actually revealed the names of the people which as we're watching this clip, in a second deep, maybe you can pull up the six names that he revealed. One of them was Leslie Wexner, who we'll talk about was listed as a co conspirator that we'll save that for later. But when he was talking to the media after one of these reviews in the hallway, he being Rokana, he said something very interesting about the monarchy. So let's, let's cue this up up the road clip. We got it.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah.

[Ro Khanna]

Roller, next week.

[Julian Dory]

What do you say to the man formerly known as Prince Andrew under Peter Mandelson with regard to giving evidence to your committee?

[Ro Khanna]

Well, Mandelson may bring down the whole government from what I hear. You know, he just engaged in terrible behavior. I mean the allegations are very serious that he was working for Gordon Brown and then feeding information about UK possibly buying euros and having Epstein trade on that. I mean it is a deeply, deeply troubling. And you know, Epstein's. I saw this interview with Epstein's former girlfriend talking about how someone is a loser if they weren't mentioned in the Epstein files. It's a window into, window into the elite impunity, this club. And by the way, I think this is the, the most vulnerable the British monarchy has ever been. I mean, I heard they were asking the Queen questions about the Epstein class. They, they ought to ask the King and Queen questions and maybe this will be the end of the monarchy.

[Julian Dory]

Well, maybe this will be the end of the monarch. Like you just. That's like a bar. I'd say maybe this will be the end. Like that's a. You know, we, I think we all have a lot of feelings about the monarchy system still existing in the fucking 21st century, but nonetheless it's a house of cards. If you end the UK monarchy, if it comes down in scandal. They're all related to each other, all the other royal families, they will all, in my opinion, most likely collapse at the same time. It's over. It's over. But Mandelson, Mandelson's really interesting because he's a major power player in UK politics. I know all of our UK fans out there will know much more about Peter Mandelson than I do. But you know, just the impunity with which he passed around Jeffrey Epstein to all these people, obviously, including the Royal family itself. I, I think if I remember, and this, I'm trying to remember, he might have been the one who introduced Epstein originally to Prince Andrew. Check me on that in the comments. I'm trying to remember that off the top of my head, but you know that that's a, that's an earthquake type outcome here. Yeah. And I, I'm saying that like without opinion on, on what it would be just in general Earthquake type outcome. The one part that really concerns me about that, and this is really, without going into the weeds on it, like, I'd really have to look at this and I'd love to talk to an economist about this and some, some of the real financial experts, but when you consider the financial influence, holdings and quote unquote, underground influence of places like the United Kingdom royal family and the other European royal families who do, who, you know, hold symbolic government power, but it's like they still hold power to. It's a weird, like, double entendre.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah.

[Julian Dory]

In a way, or I should say like paradox. If that rug just gets pulled like that in scandal. I don't know. I. I really don't because I haven't looked at this yet in an educated way. But, you know, you gotta wonder if that causes some market runs and things like that, which affects all of us, affects the everyman. If you, if you have a global economic crisis brought on by international scandal, that. That pulls down some of the oldest systems known to man that control an enormous amount of money. And beyond just the money, they personally control influence over other monetary operations. That's again, we get punished as a society for that. And Pam, Bonnie can't sit here and say the dow is at 50,000. We should be talking about the Dow.

[Joey Dave]

But what she can say is, folks, Joey D. Philippus, he'll be able to live in the West Village now.

[Julian Dory]

That's right. That's right. Joe will live in the West Village. He will live in a 900 foot studio instead of a 650 Brooklyn shit shack. Working on that, Joe. We're trying to make more money here.

[Joey Dave]

Oh, dude. Hey, we're crushing it.

[Julian Dory]

Nicer studio.

[Joey Dave]

We're crushing it.

[Julian Dory]

But, you know, that'll be a nice outcome. That'll be great. And he'll be. It'll be like the Panic and Needle Park Part 2.

[Joey Dave]

Well, and then it'll bring the rise of a new serial killer in New York. And I'll be fearing for my life just to go buy milk.

[Julian Dory]

Yes. And we need that a little bit. You look like you would be Daredevil. I mean, I've seen you use a kettlebell. You might actually be that person. I don't know if you're blind as a fucking bat, but like negative 4 on the context.

[Joey Dave]

I'm him, folks.

[Julian Dory]

I'm him, he's him. But yeah, in all seriousness, that's a problem for everyone, regardless of whether or not we might be like, yay, no more royal families and stuff like that. There' yeah. 3rd, 4th, 5th and 10th order effects to this stuff. I always got to look at that because I think we as a society from a trust and institutional practices perspective have already been the most let down you can possibly be let down. I mean we're talking about like our kids being abused and killed and all kinds of awful things. It's already horrific. Oh dude, we shouldn't have to take more.

[Joey Dave]

That happens. If that happens with the Royal family, Scotland will literally burn it, England to the ground. They will literally go buck wild. They'll be like, we're fucking, we're fucking independent lad. We're fucking independent. No, but dude, I. My only thing that I keep thinking about now for the last two minutes was the whole the elite impunity thing. Like. And again, this is just like, this is just armchair talk for me over here. But you know, what do you think of the thought that if nothing really does come of these things, like nothing, absolutely nothing other than just like some fun scandals on X. Like what does that leave for the future of like people re, like people really knowing it now, like blatantly knowing it now. Like to your earlier point that these people look at you and they're like, you're literally a schmuck. Like, we're gonna do whatever the hell we want. Like what, what happens?

[Julian Dory]

A valid question. What happens? It's a very valid question and it's. Well before I directly answer it, I think a.

[Joey Dave]

And does that like really bring like the true. Like for like I think it brings that real fourth turning now. Like it's, it's gonna, it is really going to bring the upheaval effect of that whole theory because you know, you or me is different. But like if you're a guy who like is genuinely like middle aged guy, has a family, has a job, like he's caught, caught in, in the thing. How do you go on? How do you actually. How do you actually go on other than because like you love your family and what have you. Sure. But like how do you go on playing the game and doing this and you're just like, I'm getting on tax. Like, how do you go on if.

[Julian Dory]

You know that's the first answer to the question before we get to the crux of the question, which is an important one is if you know and if you decide to look into it enough to care. Care you. And I heard a phone call with someone close to me. Yeah. Who you know, called me. Yeah. Before we got on air today. And they wanted to know. They're like, I don't really know about this Epstein case. Like what's the deal and why should I care? And this individual is a, I'd say like a, like a pretty intelligent, solid, definitely intelligent, but like solidly conservative. Definitely Trump supporting individual who like most Americans, and I'll add most smart Americans as well, like in general, votes on the one, two or three things that are important to him.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah.

[Julian Dory]

And then feel strongly about that. Right. He is a representative though of the divide here, the other dividend. And that is the divide of people who know and people who are blissfully, ignorantly going about their life with something like this and allowing it to continue. We've talked in the past about what if social media were around in the 1970s, 60s while Vietnam was happening. A president was killed, Martin Luther King was killed, RFK was. All this stuff happened. Like everything would be burning.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah.

[Julian Dory]

But because people only had access to three channels and just basic takes on what had happened. Not even takes, just reporting of like just, just the basics of what had happened.

[Joey Dave]

Take what you get.

[Julian Dory]

They took what they could get and they went about their life. And all the things that happened behind closed doors, they had no access to even know those meetings were happening behind closed doors. Fast forward to today. Believe it or not, like, well now, I might not say it after this whole scandal, but before this scandal really broke open, I would say as bad as things got in some cases, it wasn't as bad as like our government killing the president, MLK being killed going into Vietnam on a lie, all of our guys dying over in Vietnam brutally, and then having fights here and riots here over the war. Like it wasn't that bad. Yeah, yeah, but we all had a. Access to a, to the information and the ability to give an opinion on it and bot campaigns to be able to come in to influence said opinions and get people off, riled up at each other. So you have people even in that world who only see what are in what's in their algorithm and only engage with the things that they want to take the time to engage with with. So to quote what this individual said to me on the phone, he's like, I don't got time to read 3, 3 million emails.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah, it's that headache effect. People are just like, oh well listen.

[Julian Dory]

Obviously I care but like I, I don't have time to be three and.

[Joey Dave]

A half million files. That's right.

[Julian Dory]

That's right. And so there, you have to remember, for all of you listening right now, many of you listening right now, chances are you have at least moderate or in some cases, amazing knowledge on this case and have looked at it a lot and great for you. I'm. I think that's an important thing. I'm sure you can relate to me. When you think about your own life and think about all the people in it that you like and probably respect, and then even people you intellectually respect as well, regardless of their politics, who maybe haven't looked at it at all, and they're like, I don't know what the. All right, it sounds bad, whatever, right. You know, it's not like people are like, you know what, it's fine. They're kids. That's not it. It's just a matter of like, are you taking the time to actually understand how deep this goes and what it affects? And I can't explain in a 16 minute phone call to said individual the gravity of the situation with all evidence and all understanding as to what's real and what's not. Because that was a valid question. He asked me, you heard this?

[Joey Dave]

Oh, no, I heard it.

[Julian Dory]

Yeah. How do you be able to know what's real and what's fake? Fake. That's a very valid question. And I.

[Joey Dave]

Very simple answer, though fairly it is.

[Julian Dory]

If you know what's going on in the case. Right. So I said, and this was. This was the one dumb thing he kind of said. But I said to him, I said, well, that's a great question because there are a lot of fake screenshots and stuff floating around that go viral. You have to go to justice.gov and he goes, what's that? And I went, oh, boy. I was like, well, that's where the government releases this stuff.

[Joey Dave]

You know, Department of Justice doj.

[Julian Dory]

Yes. You can source it from the DOJ and know you're on their link. So you can determine if you're clicking this email that is actually what the email was. It's like, okay, that makes sense. But there's a generational divide and there is an interest divide and there is a time spent versus time spent somewhere else divide with a case like this. And so to get the volume loud enough to drown out other speakers with other stories and other places where people can get their attention is important. It's not to say you gotta go stand in the middle of the road and sit in on the ground at a stoplight and not let cars go by because they need to learn about Epstein first. That's. I'm not advocating for any of that, I think not about the opposite effect. But, you know, you gotta talk about the case And I'm, it's not a fun thing to talk about at dinner parties, but it's something that, like when you can give, when you can spend 16 minutes on the phone with a guy like that and at least give a little bit of an outline line, a little bit of a curiosity loop, a little bit of a, well, what if. Because here's what I said to him. The guy, the guy is, is a, is a Trump supporter, as I said. And I said, listen, if I talk about what the current Trump administration is doing and I talk about the COVID up that's going on and the people who are perpetuating it and the guilt they may have, I also have the ability to hold two thoughts at the same time from an objective, trying to look at it, journalistic perspective. And that is, that doesn't therefore mean I am now going back and saying, you know what? Joe Biden was, was, was alive for four years, Joe, he was a great president. He was with it. He, he knew how to do all these bills for real and what was actually happening. And you know what? What, Kamala Harris, she wasn't that bad of a candidate. No, objectively, we had a president for four years who didn't know where he was. The country was being run by people who weren't elected. It was American corruption to the core in that way. We had a vice president who was a fucking wine mom who couldn't put a goddamn sentence together and probably had some other stuff going on there. I don't know. That's just what I think. And they were bad candidates just before you even get to their political positions, just from like a basic human standpoint of like, can you sit at that desk and do the job? They were bad candidates. That's why at the time I was like, yo, like, Donald Trump kind of won this by default. It was like, you want that? That was, that was this, that was the sale.

[Alessia Alaman]

Get all over this.

[Julian Dory]

And people said, yeah, you know what? Fuck it. And they hit it. One of the promises Donald Trump made was to release the Epstein files. So he's halfway broken that promise by redacting all the important parts and covering up for people, which is, I think, worse than not releasing it at all because it makes you complicit. People when they voted at the time didn't know that. And people were voting on things like the border and stuff like that. And objectively, like, you know, it sounds like we got a lot of work to do, but like, yeah, but literally by default, Trump's been a better president on the border than fucking Joe Biden. Is he a better president at managing who we hire into ice? Probably not. You know, a push in a pull, if you will. But like, what I told this guy is, I said it doesn't. By saying what I'm saying about what the mistakes of the current administration are. I'm not therefore endorsing retroactively the last administration or the people who were running against him. Right. It's a fuck everybody moment. And I gave him the line about fighting vertically here because this guy, this guy's actually like, I describe him as like a pretty wealthy dude. He's not. He's certainly a ball like these people at all, but like, he's a pretty wealthy dude. And what I was saying to him is, is I'm like, you and the guy who makes, you know, $20 an hour are actually in the same grouping in this situation. That's how micro this cancer at the top is with our, with our institutions. And I'm like, we are at a point where if they don't get transparent as hell and just hit the chemo and kill all the bad cells on their own volition very quickly, they are going to make this worse, louder. Get more people to make phone calls like that to people like me to get more information out so that everyone is a little bit more informed and these institutions are at risk of burning to the ground overnight. And I will tell you, as. As fun as that is to think about it, it's a lot of fun to think about. I mean, you know, everyone loves a good fire, right? But. Oh yeah, not really, but you know what I mean, like, that would not be good to all happen. Like in one fell swoop. We had treated Parson Parsi in here last week. We did episode 382 with him. I, I really appreciate his perspective. You know what I loved about him? Deep, he came out involuntarily. Would say, before I make this next point, I need to reveal my bias in the situation and what I was involved with so that people can take that with a grain of like, such a breath of fresh air. I really, really enjoyed that podcast. Trita Parsi was born in Iran and was forced out of the country when he was four years old. His dad was. Was arrested by the regime. He was not executed, which he explained how he wasn't executed in the story. And it's pretty wild. His dad's still alive today, which is cool, but he's obviously advocated for the regime to change over there over the years. But he has also Done so in a way where he has been against American intervention militarily to do it. Which means that he is willing to put the greater good of like the country he lives in now ahead of the short term solution. He would very much like to see in his own country that he was kicked out against, against his own will from as a child. Yeah. Which you know it, by the way. It doesn't mean he's right. I, I happen to think he makes a pretty good point there myself. You guys can, can judge that on your own, but I think it takes a big man to do that. And yeah, again, a guy who's dedicated his career to find founding organizations that are trying to switch this over. And one of the things we, he and I talked about was revolution and the dangers of that. And he was so amazed by the American revolution and how well it was done.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah.

[Julian Dory]

And what incredible foresight these guys had. Obviously they didn't get everything perfect, but they did an amazing job overall. All. And he's like the thing you got to be careful about with that is calling that the rule rather than an exception.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah, that was rare.

[Julian Dory]

Yeah. A lot of revolutions end in totalitarianism because the, the bottom of the boot becomes the boot itself very, very quickly. And Iran was, in 1979 was an amazing example of that. The Shah had done a lot of wrong things and then they overthrew him and they actually made something worse. And so when I'm looking at our moment here, it's not a popular thing to say. It gets a lot of fucking dislikes on social media. But it's in my opinion the right thing to say. Looking at it as objectively as possible, burning down all the institutions at once, even the ones that would be really fun to burn down, is probably not a great idea. But doing a massive chemotherapy, like, you know, full scale attack on the stage three cancer. I'd like to think it's stage three, not stage four. That's, that's me putting that in there. That is very necessary. And that will burn down a lot of very rotted rooms in these mansions, a lot of them. And call it a compromise, call it what you want to call it. It. I think that's something that as we approach this, we need to consider. And you've heard me, I get angry to get angry, but then step back, think about the logic of how we handle it right now, what's in front of us. We want to push for a lot more transparency.

[Joey Dave]

Yeah.

[Julian Dory]

You have two, two or three people in Washington who are actually trying to do that. They need support from the public to do that, give them that support. It's been nice to see Republicans, Democrats alike talking about Massey and Khan as like a team. That's been cool. Yeah. See Sean Ryan bringing on Ro Khanna multiple times. Shout out to Sean on that. Sean is a very, very conservative guy, very open about that. And you know, he's like, let's talk with Roe Rose doing the right thing. Because you know what Sean Ryan really cares about Kids not getting abused.

[Joey Dave]

You know what I think?

[Julian Dory]

What original thought.

[Joey Dave]

You know what I think we should do?

[Julian Dory]

What should we do?

[Joey Dave]

You know, like back in the day when people like thoughts like a woman was a witch, they had tests. So one of the tests, this is one of my favorite tests they used to conduct. One of the tests was they would go to a pond in the village or the what have you, and they would tie a cinder block to the. To the alleged witch's ankle. And if she sinks, she's a witch, obviously. But if she floats, she's not a witch. What if we took all the accused in the Epstein files and we tried that test? Cause like, for example, Mr. Lutnick, if he is innocent, he'll just float to the high heavens. The thing is though, with this method, back in the day, they had 100% hit rate. So it just. They lived amongst a lot of witches and I think we might be as well.

[Julian Dory]

That's a line I use all the time from Tony Soprano. If he was drowning, I'd throw him a fucking cinder block. I use that all the time.

[Joey Dave]

So true.

[Julian Dory]

You've heard me say it on the show. Amazing wine. Yeah, maybe we should try that. But yeah. Yeah. So I think it's a very important moment, but we've been teasing it the whole time. I want to get to Alessia Alaman's amazing work right here.

[Joey Dave]

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[Julian Dory]

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[Joey Dave]

I just wanted to get it to its spot. Yeah, let me just change that.

[Julian Dory]

Yeah, it's good. All right, cool. Let's roll.

[Alessia Alaman]

Until February 1990, at Goldman, he was helping companies defend themselves against hostile takeovers. After living on Wall street for two years, Bannon moves from New York City to Beverly Hills, of all places, to help Goldman Sachs expand its presence in the entertainment business. But then, just over two years later, Bannon and a senior colleague ditched Goldman Sachs and decided to open their own small investment company, still in Beverly Hills. So check this out. According to Bannon, the firm's clients over the next half dozen years included Credit l'.

[Julian Dory]

Enais.

[Alessia Alaman]

That's a French word that I'm butchering, will continue to butcher. The French banks are going to be the most important and possibly explain why Epstein had one of his apartments in Paris. Because now we need to look at one of the most famous Epstein clients, and that is a billionaire and former CEO of Apollo Global Management. Leon Black, the man who paid Epstein 170 million between 2020 and 2017 for taxes and estate planning. A simple Google search will tell you that extremely high net worth people like Leon Black may pay anywhere from $2,000 to over $25,000 from help, maybe even $100,000 or slightly higher. But $170 million in seven years makes absolutely no sense. In 1998, the company was acquired by an offshoot of the French bank Societie General. And he remained there for a couple years. He had brief stints at Jefferies and investment bank and as a talent management company the firm as a strategic advisor. Now, at the same time, Leon Black was rising through Drexel Burnham Lambert, the most aggressive and notorious investment bank of the era. He was there from 1977 to 1990 in New York City. The same exact period Bannon was at Goldman Sachs in New York City. Here's where it gets weird. Most bank centers are in Manhattan. Drexel center of gravity wasn't. It was in Beverly Hills where Bannon would relocate. So here's where the actual timeline starts to matter. In 1990, Drexel Burnham Lambert collapses. But what happens instead is weird because almost immediately after Drexel falls apart part the same foreign French banks start showing up behind the scenes over and over again. Credit Leo Nice, which I will keep butchering, so stay with me. Around that same time, Credit Leo Nice is doing massive business with Robert Maxwell, Maxwell's father, who from all my previous videos I've done was pretty Clearly a Mossad MI6, KGB intelligence cut out or asset. Kind of like Adnan Khashoggi. Which should go check out those videos. So when Maxwell suddenly dies in 1991 and his empire implodes, banks all over the world realize they've been stiff. According to the Los Angeles Times, Credit Leon Ice was widely described as the biggest loser in the whole mess. Not one of many, the biggest. And that is the same Maxwell Craig.

[Julian Dory]

Dead up to their eyeballs.

[Alessia Alaman]

American Kompromat. The guy allegedly helping Soviet intelligence design a system of front companies to move billions through commodities, embedded themselves into western markets and quietly offshore money at scale. So whether every allegation sticks or not, what is clear is that Maxwell was radioactive. And credit Leo Nice was right there with him. Now zoom back to Leon Black. After Drexel collapses, Black is suddenly untethered. Wall street is spooked. The whole jump on network is toxic.

[Julian Dory]

Toxic.

[Alessia Alaman]

And yet, according to Apollo Global's own origin story, credit Leo Nice cold calls Leon Black and offers him an enormous sum of money to start a brand new firm. That firm becomes Apollo Global Management. Just sit with that for a sec. An aggressive French state linked bank, already overextended, already doing questionable deals, is the one stepping in to bankroll the next American private equity giant immediately. Now here's where Jeffrey Epstein enters the picture. So journalist Jesse Hornblock told his former colleague Unger that he met Epstein long before Paul o'. Globe. At the time, Corn Bluff said Epstein was spending a lot of time with Leon Black, the multi billionaire investor who was running one of the biggest investment banks in the country.

[Julian Dory]

What are the chances?

[Alessia Alaman]

Epstein and I talked about Leon Black, Corn Block told me, and this was in 1986. It doesn't stop there. At almost the exact same moment Steve Bannon is moving through the same financial ecosystem. So Bannon leaves Goldman Sachs in 87 and he starts a small investment shop in Beverly Hills called Bannon Co. With a few ex Goldman Sachs guys. And one of the firm's clients is Credit Leo.

[Julian Dory]

Nice.

[Alessia Alaman]

The same French bank. So now you've got the same bank tied to Robert Maxwell's collapse, Leon Black's rebirth and Steve Bannon's early deal making all clustered together around.

[Julian Dory]

That's amazing work. So you have a foreign bank coming in at a, at a moment where also goes boom in a bad way that they are invested in and they somehow are able to leverage their already leverage up to their eyeballs balance sheets into this company that would become one of the biggest private equity firms in the United States. Boom, right there. And somehow it's tied directly at the crossroads to when Jeffrey Epstein is meeting the founder of that company and Steve Bannon is setting up shop for the entertainment industry financing out in Beverly Hills, but taking all this funneled money from France, which by the way, and this is a total like kind of non sequitur to all this. It's just something that's been in the back of my head as well that's worth thinking about. One of the intelligence agencies around the world that all of the US intel guys talk about as like a kind of sleeping giant, if you will, is the French intelligence. They said French intelligence does not get a lot of press or respect, but those are ruthless. And so it's interesting to me, again, that's just a side comment on my part. It's interesting to me that that would be the country where they choose to have the bank financed. And you know, when you do a job like this, Ste, as you well know, we talk with a lot of different people from a lot of different perspectives and a lot of different things. And there are little moments and little stories or little phrases really is what I'm thinking about right now that stick with you that start to. Then once you learn it, you kind of like bring it into your worldview. You ask it. Well, first you, you're like, why does that make sense? You think about it from every level with which that guest explained it, apply it to things you've seen in your own life and you're like, wow, checks out. And then it's kind of clicking there. And one of the earliest ones that happen is one of the simplest ones that ever happened. Jim Diorio in episode 48 told me every investigation you ever look at this is someone who's a high up special agent at The FBI always follow the money, regardless of what the case is. It is almost always based on that. And obviously, I mean, big surprise here, the Epstein case is based on money. But Alessi following that money to the same source in France and tying together all these people at the same time, a critical time, a post Black Monday time to where this Phoenix, if you will, rises from the ashes in multiple places. Right when Jeffrey Epstein is going to be hitting the picture and right where Robert Maxwell is going to be going out, but still has enough fucking clout help to push someone, maybe, maybe allegedly push some of these people together. That is very fascinating to me and a very fascinating insight by one Alessi Alaman. But there was, there was one other segment in here I want to hone in on deep and it was a lessi looking decades back at something that came to fruition decades later. And what's one thing we have all talked about in here with so many different people who have sat across from me me the fact that in America we tend to think about today, maybe tomorrow, right? But intelligence organizations and especially intelligence organizations and some other places think about things in terms of decades and in some cases even centuries on on certain things. That sounds nuts, but it's real. And lessee unearthed one that run it beef.

[Alessia Alaman]

So here's where I might lose a few of you because it has to do with mind control. Now, I know it sounds crazy, but this is the beginning stages of a company called Cambridge Analytica, which we all know about from the 2016 election. So in 1992, a company called SEL Group is founded. According to reporting by the New Yorker, the SCL specializes understanding how people think, how fear spreads and how emotions, not facts, can drive behavior. From the beginning, it had deep ties to the United Arab Emirates, or powerful royal families were already plunged into global finance, intelligence services and Western elites. So one former employee described the atmosphere inside SEL as Game of Thrones level stuff. And I think he's alluding to people getting killed or moved around and just power rich people, governments, no rules. The company was dominated by two elite British insiders, Nigel Ochs, who lived in Dubai, and Alexander Nix, who would later run SEL's America offshoot, Cambridge Analytica. So Ochs was unusually honest about what they were doing in 1992. He openly said their techniques were inspired by Aristotle and. And Hitler. The goal wasn't persuasion, logic. It was emotional control, fear, identity control. Get people to feel first, then justify later. Yes, kind of how people respond to our politics today. Just look at what's happening in Minneapolis. Now fast forward to the early 2000s. Steve Bannon's small Beverly Hills investment firm gets acquired by our favorite French bank. After that, he bounces through finance, including time at Jeffries. Not Jeffrey Epstein, a different company. The title doesn't matter. The proximity does. Jeffries is run by Rich Handler, a former Drexel insider and longtime associate of Leon Black. Same circle again. Then comes 2007. The first financial crisis hits and Apollo Global Management needs capital. They turn to Abu Dhabi, to the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, the same institution tied to major global banking scandals. By 2011, Apollo Co founder Josh Harris used that wealth to buy the Philadelphia 76ers. Around that same time, former CIA executive A.B. cronard joins Apollo's board. And Apollo acquires the military contractor formerly known as Blackwater, a company deeply embedded in Middle Eastern operations. That's UAE. That same year, 2011, Steve Bannon meets Robert Mercer and Rebecca Mercer.

[Julian Dory]

They like it.

[Alessia Alaman]

They soon fund him. And after that, they pour money into escape American arm Cambridge Analytica. They are also the seed money that be used to help launch Breitbart News into the stratosphere. Here's where all these companies originally circle start to see some double dippy.

[Julian Dory]

So Cambridge Analytica, as Alessi explained just as a review, was the company that was widely used effectively by the Trump campaign in 2016 to Emotionally, you know, as an emotional tool to win the election. What this is pointing out though, is the wheels for that were were started 25 years before and they started it before the Internet went mainstream. They started it in 1992. I think the Internet was like 89 or 91 or something like that. But it wasn't like mainstream until 95, 96 and really like 98, 99. But before the Internet's even around, they were already putting the tools into place to program you and me by basing us into a fear setting so that we would have that as our initial impulse, so that the very evolutionary sciences that exist in our brain could be used against us like a weapon. We have turned on ourselves to then impact how we react to things around the world as a result of already having that baseline set up of fearing X, Y or Z, whatever they decide to point our attention to. And then guys like Steve Bannon who are around this and financing it and things like that are then able to just very calmly come up with more funding. And I don't know, after Andrew Breitbart on Alives, you know, gets unalive and what was it, 2011, Steve Bannon can Step in to be at the forefront of Breitbart news at a time where they start to use the fear culture war to set the pathway to what would become Trump's run. All of it's tied together. It's very, very interesting. And by the way, left and right use this strategy inside and out. You know, we're talking about Bannon, so obviously he's focused on right wing causes. I don't, I don't even think Bannon's like, really right wing. I think Bannon's just, just a spy. But, you know, he's using it for right wing causes as, as the front. This is exactly what all left wing outlets do as well. And they gaslight on fear. Fear. Remember when they said mostly peaceful protests in front of burning fires and, and buildings that were falling apart behind them in Minneapolis? It has to do with creating the impulse that people are like, well, this is justified because I'm fearing the opposite of it. And so therefore, whatever I'm seeing back there, it's not really what I'm seeing. I'm seeing what the man tells me I'm seeing because I already feel a certain type of way about this situation. I was on the phone with someone earlier this week, week, a very interesting phone call, someone I never talked to before, who's I would describe as like a pretty, pretty serious guy. And he was really, and I mean this in a good way, like, stressed out about this case. And he had really been looking at it and probably looking at it a lot more over the past three, four weeks than he had ever looked at it before. And one of the things he kept asking me is, what is this? And he would, he would lay out all the different cases and he's like, you know, is this sex trafficking or is it money laundering or is it just arms dealing with Khashoggi, or is it government contracting for espionage everywhere, starting with one place, but then going everywhere and, and, and I said, the evidence seems to show it's a combination of all the above. It's not one or the other. These emails show that if Jeffrey Epstein wanted to make some deal with the government of Sierra Leone, because it was Tuesday at 1:15 in the afternoon, he was a little bored. He did it. The emails show that if Jeffrey Epstein wanted to talk in code about minors and things that would be done to them, which unfortunately may actually even be somehow worse than the awful abuse we already know about, he would do it. If Jeffrey Epstein wanted to fly out to Saudi and meet with MBS and take a selfie with him. Like a dude takes a selfie with his boy on the street when they visit Dubai because they're just fucking white boys with motion, he would do it. So the real answer to what this case is and what it's going to.

[Alessia Alaman]

Be.

[Julian Dory]

Lies in getting to the bottom of just how deep these co conspirators go. And I'm talking about just the first people we know about, which are the ones Ro Khanna was nice enough to come tell us were the redacted names in the book. This included Chic Shake, I believe. And the one I'm focused on is Leslie Wexner. Because the, the disgusting part about Leslie Wexner, who is the CEO of L Brands, which owns Victoria's Secretary, which, you know, that's not weird at all. But this guy's been talked about for years and he's never so much as been interviewed. He's been above the law in every way. Redacted from disgusting emails. He is the source of Jeffrey Epstein's wealth as we know it. Signed over the biggest townhouse in Manhattan to him. Was signed over power of attorney to Jeffrey Epstein and take care of all of his finances and basically his whole life if he wanted to to. And is listed, as we now know in the files, as a co conspirator. And yet forget being. Not being arrested, which he, he should have been arrested day one. Should be in a jail cell right now with functioning security cameras that are on 247 that everyone can see to make sure no funny business happens. By the way, that's neither here nor there. You know, he, he should be in there there. He's never even been interviewed. Like, like the most basic thing ever. And so when that absolute stone cold low iq, to borrow a Donald Trump term, moron. Moron. Pam Bondi sits there in Congress and gets wine. Mom shrieks out about the Dow and yells it at a Jewish congress lady whose grandparents died in the Holocaust about being an ant suggesting that she's an anti Semite. What were some of her other great, great hits there? Oh, didn't look at the victims when they of Epstein when they stood up behind her. Those images, those videos. Watch the videos. The image can be taken out of context. There's video of it. She refused to turn around and look at them. Like a serial killer refuses to turn around and look around at his victims at a sentencing hearing, you know, and also tried to hit, you know, some Trump greatest hits lines at Thomas Massie while Thomas Massie lost his mind at her, which I again, I've never seen him do that. I actually appreciated it. You know, who, who would I be to talk telling him not to lose his mind? That would be the Stones from Class Houses. You know, like just the worst performance ever. It's like, like to me, I translated everything she said to Bread and Circus. Yeah, she just said, oh, look at your 401ks. It's so good. Don't worry about the fact that we're inflating all your money away. Don't worry about the fact your kids are never going to have a job. AI's taking over. And by the way, a bunch of people were kids on a pedal island. Don't worry about all that. Look at the stock market. Look at the shiny object. Look over here. That's what she was saying to you. I don't know how that's different from Bill de Blasio holding the fucking airplane in your face telling you to take the vaccine. Same vibes. So now Les Wexner is being called to testify in this separate Ohio state case about someone high up there who, who sexually abused all these people, which is disgusting. And he is apparently. I. I'm seeing some news deep. Maybe you can check this. He's gonna talk to some investigators related to the Epstein case or he's gonna have to answer some questions related to that. So at least we're getting somewhere. But like the fact that he's not sitting in front of Congress right now, in front of the whole world. Ask. Answering questions about why he was the chief financier for the world's most prolific espionage known pedophile ever. And a lot of other things as well. You know that that's, that's crazy. And you have to ask questions why. Again, I would remind you, when George Bush put together like his is Israel Commission in 2008, Les Wexner was on it. Apple don't fall too far from the tree here. So it, it. It's really gross. But I, I want to close out today's episode de with a question that I have asked before in some other podcasts. Remember? Actually, you know, I've talked about it in a few on here, but I, I believe I talked about this with Mike Rlin on his podcast and I know we've talked about on Patreon, so our patrons have seen it before. But how Jeffrey Epstein got his money, how he got rich. There's a thread that I've never seen the brilliant investigators really pull on that's so fascinating to me that I hope someone smarter than me out there with more means and access to information can pull on and figure out that's worth discussing and that is the transition from Robert Maxwell to Jeffrey. Episode Epstein. So Robert Maxwell dies on those islands off the west coast of Africa in 19November 1991. They say he unalived himself, you know, like they always do. He just jumped off his boat because he had this 400 million dollar pension scam scheme at the Daily Mirror. Now for everyone out there, just as a quick reminder, Robert Maxwell is Ghilann Maxwell's father. He is, he was an awful guy, probably by all accounts a sadist, including he may have been a sadist to Guylan. There's, there's evidence on that which excuses nothing that she did, by the way. I'm just saying that as an aside, a very sick individual, narcissistic. Unbelievable spy though. Unbelievable spy. This is a man who was born in the middle of Europe on a kibbutz, spoke I think like Czech or whatever, one of those languages and Yiddish, that's it until he was 17. And he fled Europe right before the Holocaust, went to the UK at age 17. And I'm pointing that out because within five years as he served in the British military during World War II, within five years and maybe less than that, not only did he master the entire English language, not only did he completely get rid of of his Central European accent, but he also learned how to speak the English dialect of the Kings, which is like the royal dialect where they say Yeez and things like that. They speak differently in a more dignified but frankly fucking annoying as hell way. He spoke like that his whole life. This is a guy who as early as World War II itself was providing information for groups that would become Israel for the KGB. NMI6 he was serving all different places, but when he was unalived, his body was transported to Israel and he was buried on the Mount of Olives, attended by some of the highest dignitaries in the Israeli government. And the Mount of Olives is a place that is reserved for the highest level rabbis and I believe the highest level political people in Israel, which, you know, kind of tells you all you need to know. That said Robert Maxwell, for all the evil that he was, was no dummy. He was, he was a narcissist. He was his own worst enemy, there's no doubt about that. But he was no dummy. And the idea that he Left behind a 400 million dollar pension scam, it was worth nothing. When this is a guy who, among many businesses he had, was the head of the Daily Mirror, which was the second biggest publication in the world at the time, during the peak of fucking Princess Diana, by the way. So they are printing money around the world. The idea that he was destitute has never made any sense. And if you really don't believe me on that, just look at the fact that his sons, the scions, were put on trial in 1996, I believe in the UK for this pension scam and found not guilty. When do you ever see wealthy individuals of a family who built a bunch of hardworking people and off the entire public in international scandal, found not guilty in a court of law of those crimes when they are brought there to face it, even if they're not the ones who perpetuated and they got to stand for the sins of the father. Fucking never. Never. They were found not guilty. And I surmise that a lot of that had to do with the fact that there probably, probably wasn't a pension scam, because I've cited this before, but Tara Palmeri did two amazing podcasts back in, I believe 2020. One was basically called the Maxwells and the other one was basically called Epstein. And these podcasts were essentially eight part one hour documentaries that just happen to be audio. I wish she did it on video, but they were audio and they're like storytelling with voiceovers and then on the ground recordings and stuff like that. And in one of those podcasts, I want to say it was the Epstein one. She went around with Virginia Robert Shuffrey, rest in peace, who just died this year, who was a major whistleblower in this case, is a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. Tara went around with Virginia Roberts, you, Frey, and she would go to different places where people that Virginia came into contact with while she was in Epstein's orbit state. So like one time they went to the famous chef Adam Perry Lang's gated community and asked to meet with him. Adam Perry Lang later became famous, but from 03 to 06 he was Epstein chef, Chef. I'm sure he saw nothing though, right? And Adam Perry Lang, through like an emissary, said, oh my God, yeah, I remember Virginia, I hope all is well. I'm sorry I can't meet with you though. Didn't meet with her. Another place they went was to Epstein's housekeeper's place, which was also a gated community to this gentleman by the name of Juana Lesi. And to Juana Lessi's credit, it not only did he let them in, he was excited to see Virginia. Like they. They record him and everything, but he let them record him. He agreed to be recorded with the. All three of them in a room, him, Tara and Virginia, to answer questions on the record about this. And I will give him that. I appreciate that. When you listen to the recording, it is one of the more difficult human things to listen to because you are heart pooled into multiple different emotions at the same time. On the one hand, you are angry at this man for, you know, he was paid incredibly well, obviously, as. As a housekeeper for Jeffrey Epstein, because you're paid to keep your mouth shut. Right. And do a job that would usually pay a lot less. But on the one hand, you're angry at him for never saying anything and never helping or never stopping this stuff or speaking up. On the other hand, you realize as like. Like an immigrant who was hired to this job who had to sign an insane NDA who probably didn't know what he was getting into until he was there. He was scared. You get that? Yeah, I have to give him that. On the other hand, you also see the genuine affection, in my opinion, that he had for Virginia. And on the other hand, you also see the fact that he allowed someone like her to be abused and not do anything about it. And he's living and wrestling with that guilt that there are so many things going on when you listen to this guy. It's one of the most important things I ever listened to as far as, like, an interview where someone goes, but in the midst of this, sit down. Juana Lessi made a very, very interesting observation. He talked about when, you know, the genesis of him working with Jeffrey, he's like, you know, I was working with Jeffrey in the late 80s and everything, and I'm working at this place on the Upper east side. And he was rich, but, you know, wasn't crazy rich. Yeah, he described, like, the size of the place he lived in, the kind of places he would go, and he goes, but then in 1992, something happened, man, because he got really rich. That's when he started looking at buying the plane if. And I'm trying to remember this off the top of my head, but that's when the townhouse started to become a thing. I think that was officially later signed over, but he, like, moved into the townhouse, I believe in 1992. He was flying all over the world. He was looking at building the place in Florida. I don't know if the island was in the picture yet, but basically, Juana Less, you can refer to that podcast from Tower Palmeri, who I hope at some point will come on the show. We've talked about it before through a mutual friend of mine. But I would love to bring Tara in here. So if people want to hit her up and say, I'd love to have her in here, I don't think she lives too far from here. That would be awesome. She's another Wayne, New Jersey person, by the way. Way deep really, so that would be cool. But, you know, I'm listening to this and it's very clear to me that he went from 0 to 100 in 1992. It is crystal clear. And his net worth is estimated at that time. When people look back on this case is in the 400 million dollar area. That's. That's pretty interesting. You have a guy die, probably pushed, right? Thief off the coast of Africa who conveniently leaves behind a 400 million dollar pension scam. And then here's the kicker. Here's the kicker. Ghislaine had met Jeffrey in her life. I believe her father introduced her to Jeffrey. But people check me on in the comments. I don't remember that for sure. I think that's it. Yeah. Guy Len is left with no money. This is a girl who, you know, she never known a life without no money. So she goes to New York and one of the Oxenbergs, who's a royal family in Europe. I want to say it was Catherine, but it was. If it wasn't Catherine, it was her sister was a New York socialite at the time. That's always a sketchy term when you hear someone is listed as a New York socialite. Red flag should be flying. But anyway, Catherine's interviewed on the record by Tara Palmeri and she talks about Ken, who she knew know, I guess common to run in those types of circles. You know, she would go see her when Guy lived in this little apartment, freaky standards in New York, and she'd be like, oh my God, so worried about money and everything. And then Guy lan slides up right next to Jeffrey. And now she got her sugar daddy and now she got Demoni again. Somebody go find me how that $400 million sub. $400 million found its way from Robert Maxwell's bank account to leave a pension hole at the Daily Mirror into somebody's coffers that probably somehow ended up in Leslie Wexner's coffers. I don't have proof of that right now. I'm purely speculating. These are allegations that are purely speculative in nature. I want to be very clear on that. But someone go find out how I got from A to B to C. Leslie Wexner to d. Jeffrey Epstein, and you might hit a little jackpot on this case. I don't know. Maybe you won't. Maybe it's nothing. It's possible it's nothing, but no one's ever sufficiently answered that question for me. So we're going to keep following this as it goes out. I hope by the time this is released, Howard Lutnick has done the most basic possible decent thing and resigned. I won't hold my breath on that. But, you know, we're going to follow this case wherever it goes, whoever it goes to, and however it goes, and do our best to, in the words, my friend Tommy G. Boil our pot of the ocean and let the rest of you and other people out there do the same and see if we can all come together and make a nice little tidal wave here. Sound good?

[Joey Dave]

Let do it.

[Julian Dory]

Let do it.

[Joey Dave]

Do it.

[Julian Dory]

All right, until next week, everybody. Thank you.

[Joey Dave]

Peace.

[Julian Dory]

Thank you guys, as always, for watching this video. If you have not already, please take a second and hit that subscribe button. We are going to have an upcoming episode, as I said, with an Epstein victim and a great returning guest who's going to break down all the Epstein emails. You are not going to want to miss it. See you guys soon.