Julian Dorey Podcast Ep. #388

“Epstein LIES!” – CIA John Kiriakou ERUPTS on Satanic Elite, Mossad & Most STUNNING Files

Release Date: February 23, 2026
Host: Julian Dorey
Guest: John Kiriakou (Former CIA, whistleblower, author, activist)

Episode Overview

In this urgent, far-ranging episode, Julian brings back ex-CIA agent and whistleblower John Kiriakou to break down the explosive, newly released Epstein files, and what they reveal about intelligence agency involvement, elite networks, and ongoing coverups. It’s a candid, sometimes jaw-dropping discussion linking Epstein not just to Mossad but to multi-government intelligence brokering, arms dealing, media manipulation, and a “supra-government” elite system above presidents and prime ministers. Kiriakou and Dorey connect dots between global finance, arms trade, blackmail, and US, Israeli, British, and Saudi operations, all while wrestling with the systemic rot and lack of accountability. The episode also touches on looming events in Iran, media censorship, investigative journalism’s demise, and the existential threat to western monarchies.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. How Would You Fake Epstein’s Death? (00:00-00:44, 119:18-121:37)

• Julian opens with a hypothetical: “If you were tasked with making the world believe that Jeffrey Epstein was dead... how would you do it?”
• John: “[Take] out the body—body double or silicone... in full view of everybody... Let as many people as possible see this body so that reasonable people can agree to disagree.” (00:15)
• They re-examine the official story—body removed, quick cremation, convenient media coverage—acknowledging how easily this could happen in a corrupt, incompetent prison system.

2. Kiriakou’s Wild Year and CIA-to-Hollywood Transition (04:19-08:40)

• John starred in a movie directed by Tyrell Ventura (Jesse Ventura's son), playing a CIA security chief, cast specifically for his real CIA experience.
• John: “I would be a terrible actor... But Ty said, ‘You acted every day at the CIA.’” (05:06)
• John is now a SAG member, voted in Actor Awards, and reflects on the strangeness of his life arc.

3. The Epstein Files: Unprecedented Revelations

(09:06–18:05, 21:24–38:58, 51:58–61:58, 130:59-147:14)

Emails, Codewords, and the Unmasking of Elite Networks

• Newly released Epstein emails show thousands of interactions between Epstein and powerful figures (Katherine Rummler, ex-Obama WH counsel: 11,500 emails; physicist Lawrence Krauss: 7,500).
• Revealed codewords (e.g., “pizza,” “grape soda,” “jerky”) appear in chilling, casual correspondence about illegal and immoral acts.
• Julian: “You meme to everyone like the worst sadistic kind... George Carlin always said, 'It's a big club, and you ain't in it.' ...It's a little club, and you ain't in it.” (11:45)
• Kiriakou expands: many in power not only knew, but acted as facilitators or protectors—"nothing is as it seems; behind every revelation there’s more."
• John: “I’m positive [Epstein] was an Israeli agent… likely not exclusive to Israel... a broker for multiple intelligence services.” (90:03, 92:41)
• Both men express shock and disgust at the normalization and protection of predators at the highest levels.

Monarchies, Royals & a Systemic Crisis

• UK monarchy is deeply implicated; British support for monarchy crashed from 80% to 50% (“existential risk”), with tangential threats to other European monarchies.
• Norwegian royals, Prince Andrew, and figures like Mandelson (with damning photo evidence) are directly connected.
• John: “This is enough to bring down the British government... This Keir Starmer may not last as long as Liz Truss’s head of cabbage.” (35:42)

4. Congressional and DOJ Coverups — Everyone’s In On It

(14:26–17:00, 41:12–44:01, 131:46–134:05)

• John: Every administration, red and blue, since Clinton, covered up the scandal, with key tranches of evidence never released.
• Julian: “This is a systemic problem... Republicans, Democrats, everyone has had a chance to put this out. It’s the most massive pedophilia—& more—scandal ever.”
• Pam Bondi is personally refusing to comply with an overwhelming congressional order to unseal all files—“It has to be coming from above her.”
• Key point: statute of limitations on child sex crimes is only 5 years in the US, shielding most elite offenders.

5. Epstein’s Origins: Arms Dealing, Iran-Contra, and Intelligence Ties

(98:19–134:05)

Deep Dives:

• Epstein's early ties to Adnan Khashoggi, Douglas Lease, and J. Stanley Pottinger placed him in elite arms dealing and money laundering operations—especially the Anglo-Saudi Al Yamama deal and Iran Contra.
• John: “The way his career moved as quickly as it did... tells me he connected with an official body early on—especially Mossad. They’re very good at spotting talent.” (105:07)
• Epstein wasn’t just an agent; more likely, he was a multiply-connected intelligence dealer, “an intelligence peddler but a much more sophisticated one.”
• Kiriakou breaks down how intelligence compartmentalization enabled Epstein to avoid being flagged—he had protection “at the White House, way back then [early 1980s].”
• Julian: “It’s like the mob... nobody can admit they know who this guy is, because then you have to say how you know him, and then everyone gets burned.” (133:53)

6. Intelligence, Supragovernments, and the “Big Club”

(13:34–14:26, 47:51–56:25, 54:53–61:12, 150:24–152:19, 153:10–155:28)

• Echoing Tucker Carlson, both discuss the existence of a “supra-government” above presidents—a “fixer class” (Epstein, Khashoggi) serving a tier of bankers and arms traders who truly run global affairs.
• Davos, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderberg meetings are described not as conspiracy theories, but as real, influential forums.
• John: “David Rockefeller was the secret back channel to Saddam Hussein... There’s a lot I didn’t see at the time.” (56:57–59:08)
• Insight: major US defense contracts span all 435 congressional districts, structurally binding politicians to military-industrial interests.
• They connect arms deals to population control, global economics, and social manipulation.

7. Manipulating Journalism & “Operation Mockingbird 2.0”

(65:17–77:23, 77:49–81:22)

• FOIA wizard Jason Leopold finds multiple journalists (e.g., Ken Dilanian) pre-cleared their stories about intelligence matters directly with the CIA.
• Access journalism, blacklisting, and subtle threats keep even top reporters in line.
• Investigative journalism is dying: “If you don’t have your self-respect and independence, what do you have?” (74:43, John)
• John: “They don’t need [Operation] Mockingbird anymore. They just threaten you and tell you you’re not invited to the Christmas party.” (73:14)
• Outlets no longer fund real investigations, while string-pullers dominate narratives, especially in digital media algorithms.

8. Blackmail & Compromat: The Heart of the Operation

(84:31–89:49, 86:10)

• Julian: “Do you see any scenario where Jeffrey Epstein, as a spy—which he definitely was a spy—was not prioritizing blackmail?”
• John: “He had to have been... What’s the point if not to collect kompromat on everybody?”
• Kiriakou and Dorey discuss the importance of Epstein’s psychological manipulation skills, with a victim describing how Epstein “coached” her like a coach watches football tape—“bill Belichick and Tom Brady watching predators to see what works.”
• The operation was inherently offensive blackmail, not simply defensive or paranoid self-protection.

9. Ghislaine Maxwell, Mossad, and Security Installations

(173:28–175:42)

• Israeli government (specifically, a security chief for ex-PM Ehud Barak) personally oversaw security installations in Epstein’s New York building post-2015.
• Extensive Israeli (party & state) connections with Maxwell, Epstein, secret “shadow commissions” post-9/11, and other power brokers surfaced in emails.
• John: “Jeffrey doesn't mind holes in the walls... we learned that in spades on the island house. Wow, man.”

10. Can the Whole Thing “Blow Up”? And Why Not?

(166:27–169:54, 176:03–178:14)

• Dorey: “Do you just blow it all up?” Kiriakou: “We’re gonna have to... Demand the release of all remaining documents... and rely on people like you to make sense of them.”
• John: “There are no good guys in this story... Everyone with power gets away with it.”
• Despite overwhelming revelations, both question if the public or official response will ever match the scale of the crime.

Noteworthy Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On the Files and the “Little Club”:
  “We didn’t even realize this little club existed within the big club.” — John Kiriakou (11:51)
• On Intelligence Agency Collusion:
  “At the CIA, Israel was ranked as a critical threat for counterintelligence... The Israelis are not our friends; they actively recruit Americans to spy on Israel’s behalf.” — Kiriakou (178:28)
• On Scope of Governmental Involvement:
  “Every administration, red and blue, has covered this up.” — Julian (43:02)
• On Arms Deals and the Pentagon:
  “Of the Pentagon’s $1 trillion budget, a third goes to weapons systems... more than half goes to contracts in every district. It structurally embeds the defense budget into politics.” — Kiriakou (50:37–53:50)
• On His First Encounter with Elite Influence:
  “David Rockefeller is the secret back channel to Saddam Hussein.” — Recalls his bafflement at why Rockefeller showed up in Bahrain (59:08)
• On Epstein’s Operation:
  “If you weren’t running blackmail, what was the point… it wasn’t defensive, it wasn’t just a kernel held for protection. It was 24/7 intelligence collection, offensive and systematic.” — John (89:23)
• On the Complicity and Future:
  “We have so many examples where covert actions were just taken for... imperialism... or just because we felt like overthrowing.” — Kiriakou (63:12)
• On Worldview Rewrite:
  “I’m intellectually exhausted now. I’m very upset by all this... what happened to our country?” — John (180:39–180:41)

More Key Segments & Timestamps

• (09:06–13:34): Epstein Files — Pizzagate, codewords, shifting from “conspiracy” to evidence.
• (17:00–30:18): Emails, revelations of direct elite participation, revival of public memory (e.g., Clinton, royals).
• (34:44–40:37): Monarchies—existential threat, cascading crisis across Europe.
• (44:43–47:25): Pentagon, Congress, military-industrial complex—structural corruption.
• (77:23–86:10): Journalism, access, FOIA, and a complicit media culture.
• (121:49–124:33): Kiriakou’s personal reckoning with intelligence failures, covert operations, and the cost.
• (173:13–175:17): Mossad, Israeli government, Ghislaine Maxwell, security connections.
• (180:53–186:19): Breaking Iran news—inside scoop on anticipated attack, war as a distraction.

Flow and Tone of the Conversation

• Frank, Candid, and Irreverent: The podcast is remarkably unfiltered. Both Julian and John curse frankly, laugh bleakly, and react in real time to the enormity of the revelations.
• Mixing Dark Humor With Outrage: Comic asides (e.g., “I was gonna buy Lincoln’s last turd” [01:10]) and bleak jokes are interwoven with genuine despair and anger.
• Disillusioned but Relentless: John Kiriakou frequently expresses exhaustion and frustration but continues to follow the evidence, questioning even his own prior certainties.
• Forensic and Deeply Informed: The duo’s conversation is grounded in both personal experience (Kiriakou’s time at CIA) and granular knowledge of the case files, intelligence craft, and international events.
• Desperately Looking for Justice: There’s a recurring theme of disappointment—neither expects powerful figures to face consequences, but both insist on the necessity of truth telling, transparency, and archives.

Conclusion & Call to Action

• Julian: “What do we do? Do you just blow it all up?”
• John: “We’re gonna have to... Demand ALL the documents. Rely on honest investigators—like you—to make sense of them. Otherwise, they get away with it all.”

The episode ends with breaking news on a looming US strike on Iran, possibly to distract from the growing scandal—or as part of a well-known “wag the dog” pattern. Both men reflect on how the Epstein revelations, if unchecked, confirm just how captured and unaccountable global elites and their networks have become.

For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In:

You’ll leave this episode with your assumptions shattered about the depth and complexity of Epstein’s world—a world that’s less about one “lone predator” and more about the hidden mechanisms of global power, intelligence, blackmail, and how an “untouchable” elite system perpetuates itself while remaining, until now, largely beyond the law.

[Give it a thought. Get back to me.] — Julian Dorey, (186:57)