#390 - "Epstein LINK!" - Julian UNLOADS on Bill Gates, Maxwell Sister EVIDENCE & Rockefeller

Summary

---

Julian Dorey Podcast, Ep. #390: “Epstein LINK!”

Date: February 28, 2026
Host: Julian Dorey
Guest/Co-Host: Joey Deef

---

Overview

Episode 390 of the Julian Dorey Podcast dives deep into the latest revelations from the Jeffrey Epstein files, exploring the intersections of global power, intelligence, and crime. Julian and Joey dissect new evidence and theories linking Epstein to the Rockefellers, Trilateral Commission, and, most explosively, the Maxwell sisters’ role in top-level data infrastructure. With pointed analysis, notable guest input (including clips and stories from whistleblower John Kiriakou), and a critical look at figures like Bill Gates, Les Wexner, and high-profile government and agency players, the episode balances rigorous skepticism with urgency and outrage over ongoing institutional cover-ups.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why Aren’t There Major Protests Over the Epstein Scandal?

• Julian’s Opening Rant | [00:00-02:09]:
  • Expresses deep frustration with the lack of public protest around child trafficking linked to Epstein:

    “I have watched cities burn over one person being killed, and yet one of the most prolific examples of trafficked and missing children—barely a protest.”
    [00:52; Julian Dorey]

  • Rafts on America’s protest culture and the seeming apathy compared to other causes.
  • Repeats his view later:

    “Still not enough desperation… I have not seen a single fucking protest in the streets about this.”
    [19:55; Julian Dorey]

2. Explosive Revelations—Maxwell Sisters, FBI, and Data Harvesting

• Christine Maxwell’s Role in FBI Data Systems | [48:16–56:12]:
  • Christine Maxwell, Ghislaine’s sister, co-founded Chiliad, which provided search/data mining infrastructure to the FBI’s counterterrorism warehouse post-9/11.
  • Julian’s reaction:

    “Oh my God… it’s real, it’s 100% real down to the date.”
    [49:24; Julian Dorey]

  • Outlines how Chiliad connected incompatible databases across agencies (FBI, CIA, and NSA) and speculates on the implications of that access and timing.
  • Joey’s speculation: Chiliad’s transition to Palantir in 2019, Christine stepping down, and the continuity of power.

    “Yo, Pete, take the rock”
    [56:01; Joey Deef]

3. Trilateral Commission, Rockefeller, and Supra-Government Theory

• Epstein’s Link to Rockefellers and the Trilateral Commission | [02:09–18:42; 65:41–77:24]:
  • Epstein openly boasted about ties to David Rockefeller and membership on the Trilateral Commission.

    “He formed something called the Trilateral Commission… businessmen and politicians from three major continents.”
    [70:13; Jeffrey Epstein]

  • Tucker Carlson’s “Supra-Government” concept:

    “There’s at least two layers above elected leaders… Epstein-types are the fixers.”
    [03:10; Julian Dorey]

  • John Kiriakou’s anecdote about David Rockefeller acting as a secret backchannel to Saddam Hussein, bypassing normal diplomatic and governmental structures.

    “David Rockefeller is the secret backchannel to Saddam Hussein… That was his cover story.”
    [64:16; John Kiriakou]

  • Rockefeller quote from autobiography:

    “Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal… If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
    [67:55; David Rockefeller’s quoted autobiography entry]

4. Recent Fallout: Resignations, Code Words, and the Shifting Narrative

• Notable Names Stepping Down Due to JMail (Epstein Email Dumps) | [07:11-11:39]:
  • List includes Peter Mandelson, Larry Summers, Tom Pritzker (“creepy” Afghanistan ‘boys with toys’ email).
  • Discussion of possible innuendo and the dangers of jumping to conclusions.
  • Julian:

    “Everything in these emails is in some form of code.”
    [10:51; Julian Dorey]

5. Government and Media Distraction Tactics

• 'UFO Disclosure' and Foreign Conflict as Distraction | [18:42–24:14]:
  • Skepticism over the timing of the government’s “release the UFO files” news and saber-rattling with Iran/Mexico—viewed as deliberate distractions from Epstein developments.

  • “If you can’t see that that is the ultimate, like ‘look at the shiny object’… I can’t help you.”
    [21:47; Julian Dorey]

6. Bill Gates & the Creeping Confession

• Gates’ Public Walk-Backs | [40:15–43:51]:
  • Gates admits two extramarital affairs, one with known “Bridge Player” woman tied to Epstein introductions.
  • Julian:

    “Last week he said that shit wasn’t real, and now he said some of it’s real—which means next week more of it will be real.”
    [40:18; Julian Dorey]

  • Emphasizes that while suspicious, there’s yet no proof Gates committed sex crimes with Epstein.

7. FBI and Evidence Suppression: Storage Lockers Full of Incriminating Material

• Secret Storage Units, Missing Investigations | [44:11–48:09]:
  • Details on Epstein’s use of multiple storage facilities around the US, never searched by the FBI, storing incriminating materials (computers, CDs, address books, sex slave manuals).

  • “He had a three-page list of masseuses, letters and lab results… and the FBI never searched these.”
    [45:17; Julian Dorey]

  • Theory: possible ‘dead man switch’ evidence caches still at large.

8. Les Wexner Deposition: “All-Time Con Artist” Defense

• Breakdown & Critique of Wexner’s Deposition Video | [77:26-87:38]:
  • Wexner paints himself as a “victim” of Epstein’s alleged genius-level deception.

  • “I was conned by the world Olympic all-time con artist.”
    [85:18; Les Wexner]

  • Questioned heavily:

    “He trusted Jeffrey Epstein to the tee and was completely conned. Never once had a thought about maybe… diversify my holdings?”
    [86:17; Julian Dorey]

  • Points to contradictions between Wexner and Robert Meister’s account of warnings about Epstein (“ducking and covering”).

9. Intelligence Agencies, Arms Deals, and the ‘Fixer Class’

• Analysis of Fixers & Global Governance | [72:03–77:24]:
  • Suggests that intelligence agencies (CIA, Mossad, etc.) operate in service of the true power class: banking dynasties, multinationals, and their embedded “fixers” (Epstein, Khashoggi, etc.).
  • Anecdotes connect arms deals, elite meetings, and blackmail.

10. Cultural & Media Complicity, and the Future

• Public Cynicism & The Vanishing Outrage | [43:51–44:10; 90:29–94:05]:
  • Acknowledgement of societal apathy:

    “Is it just gonna be a fun game for us to all play together and then, like, nothing happens?”
    [43:51; Joey Deef]

  • Maria Farmer’s testimony: Wexner as “the head of the snake.”
  • Howard Lutnick’s “brazen” State of the Union appearance—elites’ “audacity” and lack of consequences.

---

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Julian on the failure of protest and societal outrage:

  “If you don’t admit that the possibility exists that that’s fucking weird, your eyes are shut, in my opinion.”
  [10:59]

• Bill Gates admitting (some) wrongdoing:

  “He admitted to two affairs with two different Russian women… regrets all his dealings with [Epstein].”
  [40:30]

• On the powerful protecting each other:

  “Why are these powerful people getting… deposed on their own turf? Why are they not being pulled up in front of Congress?”
  [77:26]

• George Orwell echoes—surveillance, data, Maxwell:

  “Data broker… collecting your data. In 1982… at the forefront of that industry.”
  [50:25]

• Rockefeller’s confession:

  “If that’s the charge—I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
  [67:55]

• Sarcastic banter on Bongino, Cash Patel, and PR:

  “We are run by retards. The last administration was dead and this one's retarded. God bless America.”
  [32:44]

---

Timestamps of Key Segments

| Time | Segment / Topic | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00–02:09 | Protests, child trafficking, introduction | | 02:09–07:11 | Epstein/Rockefeller/Trilateral Commission links | | 07:11–11:39 | Resignations and coded language in JMail email dumps | | 12:42–18:42 | John Kiriakou, 9/11 ‘shadow commission’, State secrets | | 18:42–24:14 | UFO/war distractions, narrative manipulation | | 24:14–32:19 | Iran/Mexico as ongoing “drums,” inside source on White House plotting | | 32:19–34:59 | Elites' PR approaches, observations on Bongino | | 35:34–39:25 | False equivalencies, minimizing the scale of Epstein’s crimes | | 40:15–43:51 | Gates’ confessions, blackmail patterns, public narrative shifting | | 44:11–48:09 | Epstein’s unexplored storage units, FBI omissions, implications | | 48:16–56:12 | Maxwell sisters, Chiliad, intelligence agencies, Wikipedia/BusinessWire backup | | 56:12–61:38 | Succession of Chiliad to Palantir, timing, and links to intelligence community | | 61:38–66:19 | Rockefeller as State actor; Kiriakou's backchannel story, Rockefeller’s own words | | 66:19–77:24 | Rockefeller legacy, Trilateral Commission, Epstein’s membership and confession | | 77:26–90:29 | Les Wexner’s deposition, contradictions, body language, Maria Farmer’s testimony | | 90:29–94:05 | Howard Lutnick at State of the Union, emotional toll, podcast wrap-up | | 94:05–95:18 | Closing reflections, upcoming content, a call for reason and balance |

---

Conclusion

Tone & Message

• The episode is driven by open outrage and exhausted cynicism at the insidiousness of elite protection and media misdirection. Julian and Joey maintain skepticism, urge verification, and warn against unchecked conjecture—but are clear on the broad facts: Epstein’s network was real, spanned intelligence, finance, and politics, and the cover-up isn’t over.

Final Reflection
Julian exhorts listeners to keep pressure on for transparency, stay emotionally balanced, and not get distracted by decoy scandals or outrage cycles. He promises more content featuring diverse perspectives and survivor testimony.

Memorable Final Quote:

“We have to sift through this stuff… as awful as it is. Our opinions change, but the broad facts don’t. This moment is the most bipartisan story of my lifetime... Where are the protests?”
[Throughout]

---

For Further Episodes:

• Next: Interviews with cartel investigators and Epstein survivors, continued investigation of Maxwell, Wexner, and the Trilateral Commission.

---

Transcript

[Julian Dorey]

This whole trafficking children thing is the ultimate red line for me. You know, I've seen some crazy protests in this country over the years, and obviously I value the first amendment more than anything. I think everyone should have a right to freely and peacefully protest. But I've seen protests that I'm like you. I mean, pretty much any protests I've looked, you wouldn't catch me dead at any of these. I would literally rather die than. Than be at them. I don't think it really does anything, unfortunately. But the right to be able to do it is important to me. That said, I have watched cities burn over one person being killed, and yet we have one of the most prolific, if not the most prolific example of trafficked and missing and killed children on our hands right here. And I barely see if I have seen. That's giving credit. I. I personally have not seen a single protest in the streets about this. And I wonder why. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the great Society show. I am Julian Dorey.

[Joey Deef]

And I'm Joey Deef. How you doing?

[Julian Dorey]

How you doing? Def. Another. Another day where we got to sift through what, 185 different things and decide the top 10 we're going to get to talk about.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, it's just never ends.

[Julian Dorey]

It never ends. It never ends. And, you know, it's been nice to be able to talk with a lot of people, whether it be people that I have on the podcast or friends of mine who I've had on. On the podcast before, or friends of mine who are just fascinated with this stuff and actually see a way larger group caring about what's going on here. That's been really nice to see. Especially, like over the last week, I've gotten a lot more phone calls and texts from people genuinely like, hey, can you give me a high level on this? Can you give me a high level on that? And so today, some of the things that we found in the last couple days, that also has been. There's some amazing research that's going on.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

On Twitter. So I. I want to make sure today a few times at least when there's a really, really good one. We have the actual original tweet too and give some. Give some credit on it. But we're going to be discussing Les Wexner. Obviously he did that deposition last time when we recorded. He was about to do it. So now we have some video to react to. You saw us get into it a little bit with John Kiriakou in the recent episode 388. But today we want to actually look at a few of the clips and put them in context together. There is also the fact that Jeffrey Epstein went on camera and walked Steve Bannon through this whole thing back in whatever it was, 2018, where he. Not essentially he full blown admits that he's a part of the fucking trilateral commission and explains what his association with that was, which has to do with the Rockefellers because he was on like the board of their foundation or one of those things you'll hear him talk about in the clip. And there's a whole thing about the Rockefeller ties that are quite incestuous within the trilateral Commission. That all said, the fact that John Kiriakou also discussed on camera someone that he used to know quite well that he wasn't. He has a court order, he's not allowed to talk about the woman, but it sounds like he actually was like friends with her back when this was happening. And what I'm referring to is he discussed the fact that a former friend of his had literally risen up through the corporate structure, that's how he put it pretty broadly. And been invited to a meeting of the trilateral commission where they discussed arms deals, which is just fascinating on a million different levels and ties directly into the types of things we are talking about here in the Epstein files. And obviously you've been hearing me cite left and right, the whole Tucker Carlson supra government idea. And the more and more you read these emails and you make charts of people and you make charts of layers, the more and more I think it's actually so brilliant and perfectly put because for. As a reminder to people who maybe haven't heard that before discussed, if you're just watching my channel for the first time or haven't heard Tucker explain it, what he said is that you have, you know, your governments, your presidents and your elected leaders like that. And you used to think they were like maybe the top of the chain. Ish. At least. And the reality is there's at least two layers above them. At least there's a layer that are the people that they work for, who work for the people that they work for. And the people that they work for are the people who actually run the world, the people who are on the trilateral commission, the people that are part of the banking families and stuff like that. And that middle layer between them are the Jeffrey Epstein of the world who get to just fucking run around and hold all these people on a string. These people referring to presidents, world leaders, bureaucratic elements. If you will and effectively be the fixers as to how the world runs. So we're gonna discuss that. And then there is also an ins, insane, insane new layer to the Maxwell family that is just like when I read it, it was one of those things where my instant reaction was, well, that's got to be a fake tweet, you know, because there, by the way, there's a lot of stuff floating around right now that you have got to fucking fact check. Because the way that a story like this, a part of the way a story like this will go away is if we just run with every fucking thing we hear and call it 100% true, with 100 evidence. You have heard me say, and I will continue to say this because it's true, that there are extreme theories that I would have dismissed two months ago that now I cannot dismiss. That does not mean we have full blown proof for them yet. There is certainly a lot of smoke around stuff and that is certainly something we're going to talk about. But we have to make sure we continue to follow the evidence and the facts, no matter where they leave us. We already know it's the darkest shit we've ever looked at. You know, I, for one, I'm not rooting for it to get darker. I hope that some of the craziest we've heard about eventually we actually can rule out. Not sure we're going to be able to, but you know, what we can't do is say that that's definitely the case. So we're, we're going to talk about that Maxwell tie though, because that was just like, I was just like, oh my God. I, I, I looked at the first tweet and I'm like, definitely fake. And then I went through and I went, oh my God, it's not only real, it's 100% real down to the date. We're going to go through that today. Hey guys, three quick things. Number one, if you haven't subscribed, please subscribe. It's a huge, huge help. Number two, if you'd like to join my Patreon for early uncensored releases of the full episodes, you can join via the link in my description or in the pin comment below. And number three, if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make content from the show and make money, you can join via the Discord link in my description below. So by the way, thief who's stepped down or been fired so far as a result of their exposure in JMail

[Joey Deef]

world, I got a little list right here for you if you want to check this out.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay, so Peter Mandelson, we discussed him last week.

[Joey Deef]

The uk Some emails from him today.

[Julian Dorey]

Right, right. The UK government fixer. He's someone I put on the list, Steve, for next week's episode or the week after. There's a couple things on him that we have not discussed yet that I think you and I gotta do a little more work on. And then.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, because I've pulled some emails from him today and they're just weird.

[Julian Dorey]

Like. Like the weird weird I was telling you about regarding certain words. Yeah, okay. We're gonna get to that today for sure. So we got Peter Mandelson, we got Brad Karp, someone I haven't done a lot of work on. Peter Attia. We all know that story. Bon voyage, my not friend, David Ross. Larry Summers stepped down, obviously. Former president of Harvard, former Treasury secretary, Master of the universe, Joanna Rubinstein, Miroslav Lashuk. And well, that last person I won't list because they're. They're not confirmed yet. Also, Pritzker. Tom Pritzker stepped down from the board of why am I forgetting it right now? Pritzker. I should know that. Yeah. But Tom Pritzker obviously has a very creepy email that could be innocent or could be the worst thing ever regarding flying out to see boys with toys in Afghanistan. The reason. All right, let me go back to that email for a minute because that actually came under scrutiny by Joe Rogan. He discussed that because Jamie brought up a clip of D. And I discussing that email and Rogan looked at it and said, well, no, they could just be blowing up out in the mountains of Afghanistan. Which Joe is perfectly fair to say that. And my conclusion from it was it looks sick, but we can't say this. And this email is referring to1 from June 2011 where Pritzker wrote to Epstein some I don't have it in front of me right now, but something along the lines of out in the remote hills of Afghanistan, Petraeus, referring to General Petraeus, loaned me a helicopter, actually two, and it was my birthday wish. I'm going out to see boys with toys in Afghanistan. Won't have much signal. It. It could be, yeah, DEEP has it up right now. So he can toss that on the screen for a second just for people's review. It could. On one end of the spectrum, it could just be they're going out to test some weapons, which is, you know, a little weird that a billionaire is going out with US army to do that. But whatever That I would. I would be very happy if that was what it was. I'll put it that way. Regardless of whether or not that's inappropriate. On the other end of the spectrum, you have to wonder the way that he put that and knowing how a lot of things in Afghanistan work with respect to that, which I. Again, I've had Delta Force guys, multiple Army Rangers, multiple Navy Seals from different teams. That's just off the top of my head, what I know. All discuss the unfortunate, awful underbelly, culture of pedophilia in Afghanistan. And when you Google boys with toys Afghanistan, that is what comes up. Does that mean that's what it is? Not necessarily. But again, this guy stepped right the down. He's a billionaire from the Pritzker family. That's interesting to me. They hold a lot of sway over a lot of things and they're just.

[Joey Deef]

I don't know. I get where he's coming from, but, like, everything in these emails is in

[Julian Dorey]

some form of code. A lot. Yeah.

[Joey Deef]

So it's just like, all right, I give him. Hopefully give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Julian Dorey]

But, like. Right. My point is not to say we definitely know. That's why I'm clarifying. I want to make sure that that came clear because that did not just from the clip. Like, that obviously didn't come clear to Joe Rogan. And I understand that. But, like, the point is not to say it's definitely this. And that goes into my original intro point here about not just immediately saying it is definitely 100% this thing if we don't have the full evidence. But the point is, like, that's weird. Yeah. And if you don't admit that the possibility exists that that's fucking weird, your eyes are shut, in my opinion. Now, I gotta say, man,

[Joey Deef]

the third

[Julian Dorey]

hour of that podcast with Kiriaku that we put out.

[Joey Deef]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Really? First of all, always a lot of fun to have John in here. We. We had a great time and he's. He's just the best. But that affected the third hour. Affected a lot of the third hour. Affected me a lot because what it turned into was we were having this nice back and forth, laughing and still finding a way to talk about a serious topic throughout as well. I. I felt like we had an appropriate tone with that, but we're doing that for like two hours, and then it gets into the third hour and it ends up being this wasn't the plan, but John knew that I was going to bring up some emails with him. Thief and I were just going to basically throw darts at the board. Once we got to that point in the podcast and just pick out some emails that stood out to us, which is what we did. And it turned into me essentially narrating some emails, looking to John and saying, what do you make at that? And he's just staring at the screen like this.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Like rubbing his hand over the mouth, the whole. Speechless.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, he was speechless.

[Julian Dorey]

I've known John Kiriakou a long time. I've recorded with him for six hours at a time. Twice I've recorded with him a total of four times. We have to about 18, 19 hours on camera together. And my God, we've recorded a lot of podcasts off camera that should have been recorded in the kitchen out there. I have never seen John Kiriakou speechless like that. There are things that shook him to his core. The shadow commission won, which. And righteously so he was saying, I think in the podcast as well. But I want to make sure, like he said this after the podcast, for sure. He's like, I want to do some more work on that to see what the. There. There is. But when we showed him that, I think that one email was from someone named Ed. Yeah. But there were multiple emails. One was 2002, one was 2003. There was another reference to it in 2001 after 9 11. But when. When they were mentioning the 911 shadow commission, I could see almost like an existential angst on John's face in the sense that we all know, or a lot of, you know, John's story. He was a whistleblower to CIA. He had previously really liked a lot of the work he did at CIA. Did some things like take down Abu Zubaydah, ran a bunch of missions in the middle East. He started off his career as like the chief historian of Saddam Hussein, like the ex psychological profiler on him. He was briefing H.W. bush, I believe, prior to Desert Storm about Saddam Hussein at like age 25. So he had a wild career. And that's why, you know, you got the John Kiriakumes. But I'm not there on the Internet, all over the place because he tells these insane stories.

[Joey Deef]

He's got tons of them, bro. Tons of them.

[Julian Dorey]

Those clips. Oh, my God. Like, what is it they say they were saying on black Twitter?

[Joey Deef]

They're like, never the same story.

[Julian Dorey]

Kiriakou. Yeah, yeah, that. But then they were also saying they were like, this man, the funniest dude on the Internet. He ain't never told a joke in his life.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, everyone believes him. That's the best part. I saw one that really cracked me up. It was like, in this life you can either be an Andy Bustamante or a John Kiriakou. Which way, Western man.

[Julian Dorey]

Oh my God, that's good. That's so good. It's funny how they don't like each other. They just both talk on each other. It's great. Yeah, but they're also, you know, respectably. Yeah, respect. Respect. Well, not between the two of them, but respected. Well, they.

[Joey Deef]

They had. They had some decor.

[Julian Dorey]

They had decorum when they sat down with Danny Jones. Yeah, for sure. And they actually like had a lot of common ground on some common sense things, which was nice to see. But Andy, I've always said this to him. There are things that Andy says where in my head and I'm sure everyone else's head out there, you hear it. And it's confirmation that he still works with him. Because I'll tell you, I know he doesn't believe it. Like there are actions in his life that he personally does and then he'll say something as it pertains to the government and I'm like, well, every action you do in your life is the opposite of that. Yeah, yeah. John, on the other hand, is someone who was happy to work there, believed in it sounds like a lot of the things he did. But eventually when he started to notice some elements that were not good and he was asked to get into, you know, doing some of the black site torture stuff and being trained on that, he was like, that ain't. That's anti constitutional, that I'm not doing it. And one thing led to another and it all ends up to him being framed and then, you know, being the CIA whistleblower. So John, obviously, righteously so, has a huge bone to pick with CIA. What has always been fascinating though, the reason I bring that up is because he is still willing to be objective about things that he was involved in that were good or people that worked there that he thought, you know, weren't the kind of people that would go do MK Ultra, which I for one would like. If you're going to have an organization like that, those are the people you want working there. You. You don't want the other type. Right. So that said, when he was sitting there hearing about a shadow commission and then seeing all the data that was missing from 1999 to 2001 in the file dumps, you could see that some of the story that he believed about 9 11, and it's not to say he believed all of It. But some of the idea that, like, okay, it was definitely at least this and that. And then there was some fucked up shit over here. I wonder what that was. And now it was like, it was almost. No pun intended. It was like Building 7 coming down on him.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

He's like, wait a minute. Yeah, wait, what the. Like, it was. And. And watching, I'm sure you guys could feel it at home, but watching in here, you know, we. Obviously, you're in here deep. We feel the audio guy in here. Like we were just turned to each other like he's got nothing. So I was a little shocked at how that third hour went. And like, he was saying, john's looked at this case for many, many years. But he was like, you know, this latest tranche, and that was kind of the idea of him coming in. We were gonna have him react to a lot of the latest tranche because he hadn't done like a deep, deep dive on it yet. But he's like, I. I gotta, like. Actually, he said there's what, two and a half million new emails from that drop? Yeah, I gotta read like a million. And, you know, I look forward to seeing what his full takeaway is after that, for sure. But we still have 3 million that we know of that they say they're never going to release in violation of federal law. Yeah.

[Joey Deef]

You think that'll. That'll hold up? Part of me thinks that if we get into some sort of conflict in Iran and all that, it's going to kind of become one of those, like, ah, we got. We got too much going on right now.

[Julian Dorey]

You know, this is why I like you, D. If you look at where the puck goes. Yeah, I want you to be wrong. But it's a. It's a. It's an important point. You know, there's. Everything is a distraction for something. Every single thing is a distraction for something. So this episode's coming out right after we put out the ROKA episode, I believe, with Max and Max, who I love, who ROKA News really actually tries to be real news. These guys try to see every thing down the middle. In Max Frost defense, he had. He just got back from the Middle east where he filmed 12 documentaries. So he hasn't had a chance to go through the depth of the latest tranche. So there were a few things where he was like, well, we don't have proof it's this, this or that. And I was like, no, no, no, we do. And I was getting worked up about it. But, like, don't take that out on him. Like he's going to go review it and everything now. And a lot of the podcast wasn't about Epstein. I just want to be clear on that. Those guys are awesome. I get and you know, a thief. This actually has to be said. I have to admit, I get worked up about this case now in a way that I have never gotten worked up about something in my public career. Now, I told you last week, I make no apologies for the initial freak out at Howard Lutnick. That was real and raw and what it was. And we'll check back in on him today. He made a nice appearance at the State of the Union the other night. But, you know, that's fine. You can have a little crash out once in a while. But I gotta admit, like, this whole, this whole trafficking children thing is the ultimate red line for me. You know, I've seen some crazy protests in this country over the years and obviously I value the First Amendment more than anything. I think everyone should have a right to freely and peacefully protest. But I've seen protests that I'm like you, I, I mean, pretty much any protest I've looked, you wouldn't catch me dead at any of these. I would literally rather die than, than be at them. I don't think it really does anything, unfortunately, but the right to be able to do it is important to me. That said, I have watched cities burn over one person being killed, and yet we have one of the most prolific, if not the most prolific example of trafficked and missing and killed children on our hands right here. And I barely see if I have seen. That's giving credit. I, I personally have not seen a single fucking protest in the streets about this. I have not seen people. I. And I don't want to see people burn down anything or anything like that. Let's. Let's be very clear. Like that's the whole point. A protest should be peaceful and not doing that. But I damn well haven't seen any of that that I've seen in the past for all this other shit. And I wonder why. I know a lot of people. I said at the beginning, I know a lot of people care about this a lot. And that's awesome. That's. That's great. But like it's still not enough and it's still not the desperation that it needs to be because to Deep's point, they're gonna find a way to get the impetus off this. The second we finished recording last week, the last episode 387, where we were doing this, you See, Trump suddenly announced, I have directed the Pentagon to release the UFO files. They're giving you fucking aliens now. I've been asking for that for years. You've seen the podcasts. I do want it. I care a lot about that. I want disclosure. I want to know what we know about other fucking planets or exoplanets, as the great David Kipping would say out there, and who the fuck's living on them and how big this galaxy might be and what our government knows. I want to know all of it. But if you can't see that, that is the ultimate, like, look at the fucking shiny object. Look over here, look over here. Everyone run over at this. I'm going to give you something. Boom. Go chew on your little chew toy while we do the real. If you can't see that that's what it is, I can't help you. And now deep's bringing up the point of something even more on this earth. No pun intended. They're going to move up the war drums for Iran or Mexico now.

[Joey Deef]

Or Mexico could be Mexico now. I forgot about that, too.

[Julian Dorey]

And you know what? And we're going to have Katarina Schultz in here this week. She's. I'm flying her in to. To do a podcast there. She had some unbelievable takes on this in episode 336. And I believe in episode 313.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, she was ahead of her as well.

[Julian Dorey]

A lot of people, people love to go after Cat Schultz when she breaks a story or says she has something, but she brings receipts and she ends up being right about a lot of stuff. So, I don't know, maybe some other people got to do a little better work. But, you know, of course that's crazy. And the cartels are a huge problem. I'm not understanding that. I'll come back to Iran in a minute. But, like, the timing of that's pretty interesting, isn't it? Yeah, I thought it was at least,

[Joey Deef]

but what the hell do I know?

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah. Yeah, there's. There's some things I can't say right now that really make me think the timing of that was really interesting.

[Joey Deef]

I was just like, wow, that's crazy. And then. And then they. And then they attack in response in like a very drastic manner. Mind you, too, like, shooting up the airport is insane. I'm like, wow, the timing, it was insane.

[Julian Dorey]

We're going to get all into that because it is an important story. I'm not going to. I'm not going to understate it. It's just the timing of when this is all going down, as we're saying, is quite interesting because I for one, have a feeling they kept that one in the back pocket for a while. And I'm not going to tell you, I know that, but I. If I were a betting man, I'd feel very, very strongly about that based on some other tea leaves I've had a chance to read. So, you know, hopefully I'm wrong about that. And they did just find the guy. And it is innocent, you know, and it is what it is now, but we'll find out, I'm sure. I'm gonna ask Kat about that, but I don't know, the whole Iran thing, though. Yeah. You know, by the way, shout out Mike Huckabee for being the most person on planet Earth. You know, he might have at least delayed this attack because John breaks that story on Friday, which, again, we talked and we never do this, because I'm never planning on breaking a fucking story on a podcast. But before the podcast, he came in and told me about what his source in the White House said about the plan to attack Iran. And we talked about it off camera. And he had the goods. Now, my first thought, because he was saying it'll be Monday or Tuesday, my first thought was that I don't know if that's going to happen because he's got the State of the Union. I also didn't know that we were going to finish the podcast and see the Tucker release the Huckabee interview, where Huckabee very casually says, I wouldn't mind if Israel controlled the whole Middle East. They can have it all. Which, of course, you know, that's. That might cause a diplomatic problem when the fucking US Ambassador to Israel says, the country should have fucking Greater Israel and beyond in the whole Middle East. Yeah, Saudi Arabia didn't like that. And that probably threw a little wrench in. Any plans? Maybe that would've been for Monday or Tuesday. But I personally thought it that part of the report of what John Source was saying probably wouldn't be true because of the timing of it. That said there was another call. And I said this in the Roka podcast. But for people who didn't see that, I do want to repeat this. I got a phone call when we went live with that story ahead of time on Saturday night on X, I got a phone call from what I would describe as a fucking amazing source. And I recorded a video where I was going to explain what this source said. But at the time, I did not run with it. And I held it because this guy did not want to go on the record with his name. And so it was going to have to be an unnamed source around blank, blank, blank, referring to sources that are unnamed within the White House. Two layers of that just felt journalistically a little beyond what I wanted to do. So I let it sit. But now that we're past that, I'm okay talking about it. This guy who called me, someone very wired into the White House had seen the report from Johnny, called me. He said, John is over the target and this is, this is going to happen. Trump's mind is made up. He wants to do this. I'll come back to that in a second. But there's a couple differences. He right away said, I don't think it'll be Monday or Tuesday from what I'm hearing, because State of the Union and the timing, that's number one. Number two, he said, there's a. John had said that the only people who were against it at this point were JD Vance and then Tulsi Gabbard. And this guy corroborated the. JD Vance is against it. He corroborated the Gabbards events it, but against it. But she's not even in the room anymore at this point, basically, so her voice doesn't really matter. He did say that there were a few other people in the White House who are questioning it as well. What he did not say is that those were the Joint Chiefs of Staff, which was a big part of John's report. And the fact that they are on board about this is very, very fascinating. But what he was saying about Trump making up his mind is that Trump is feeling, and this is a direct quote, a sugar high from the strike in Venezuela. He want, he wants to just repeat it and get a quick victory. The people who are speaking against this, like the JD Vance, are reminding him that this is a totally different situation, totally different environment. It's a Middle eastern country of 92 million people and that quick strike is probably not going to be able to do it. We don't have the resources to be able to move that quickly. A damn well won't be 28 minutes. And that's an issue. But Trump wants to be, he cares all about the legacy as well, and he wants to be the guy who took down the Ayatollah's regime. I, for one, and I pressed on this and this part of the conversation, I'll leave off the record with him because I didn't talk to him about this part and, and later discussing this But I pressed him on some other stuff and I think that the source I was talking to and I, I think there's a little more to it than that. But his mind is, is very, very made up about this. You don't just put all these military resources, which is a very nice way of putting it, all over that area and not do anything. It's just not what it is. They don't want to make a deal. Everyone's been saying for the last 30 years that Iran's one week away from having a nuclear weapon. It's never the case. I don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon either, by the way. I'm not rooting for that. But like, it's just propaganda. Chief's point. It's a giant, giant distraction and I, I don't want to lose sight of the opportunity we have here. I've talked about it before. Shout out to the original YouTube commenter who said this on John Rondi's podcast with me in the comment section. But he talked about that commenter said a few weeks ago. For so long we've been fighting horizontally. It's time to fight vertically. That's where the fight is. And that's exactly what this moment is. This is the most bipartisan story of my lifetime. Everybody is guilty left and right. Let me rephrase that. Everybody who is guilty consists of people across the left and right. The COVID up that has occurred for fucking five or six presidential administrations has spanned left and right and everything in between. Yeah. And the people we are referring to are people committing the worst fucking crimes known to man while having the most money and power in the world. It's not hard. It's not like this is the easiest go all in and actually try to make a change. It is the easiest situation to see that. So to not see people out there fucking for once, like having a nice good old protest in the street, like all over the place is a little disappointing considering our previous history with that stuff. But, you know, at least this is also cold out.

[Joey Deef]

It is kind of cold.

[Julian Dorey]

It is kind of cold. There's a lot of snow. You're right.

[Joey Deef]

You know, Covid, George, Floyd. It was May.

[Julian Dorey]

It was May.

[Joey Deef]

Nice out deep.

[Julian Dorey]

How's the weather in Florida right now?

[Joey Deef]

I'd assume it's nice.

[Julian Dorey]

How's the weather in Georgia?

[Joey Deef]

I see what you're getting at. You got me.

[Julian Dorey]

How's the weather in Texas?

[Joey Deef]

I'm just speaking on New York. It's brick city.

[Julian Dorey]

How's the weather in California?

[Joey Deef]

Louisiana could get Rocking, right?

[Julian Dorey]

I did. California's protest hub numero uno. Yeah.

[Joey Deef]

What's going on, guys?

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, maybe the winner. Maybe the winter towns get a little pass for the moment, but. And again, I. I can't stand protests, so what the hell am I saying? But you understand the point. It's like, where are those same people? Where. Where's that energy right there. Tif, though, like, you gotta remember, at least we got the ace in the hole here. There's one person who is on this case who I know is out there looking in multiple different directions because his eyeballs got one eye hunting and one eye fishing. He's gonna find the culprit.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

My man Cash Patel is out there slanging beers, spiking them like he's never drank in his life before with the US Men's hockey team in another fucking country, while the entire biggest case of all time being covered up right here, including having emails that show his organization not responding to things that are actually

[Joey Deef]

real claims he stinks. He's committed to justice.

[Julian Dorey]

We are run by retards. The last administration was dead and this one's retarded. God bless America.

[Joey Deef]

This is our country.

[Julian Dorey]

You know, And. And I said to Mike Yagley in episode 351, the second time he was in here back in the fall, I said to him, we put out as a clip actually, back then. And I put it out on YouTube again recently. No, I didn't. I didn't put this one on YouTube, but it's on my Instagram. I had said, the guy I'm watching is Dan Bongino. And this is when Bongino was still working at. As the deputy director at FBI. And the reason I said that is because every time I saw Dan Bongino do these public hits throughout his year being deputy director, he looked like a hostage. He looked. You know, he always had that vein in his forehead. You know, sit there with his arms like this and freak out into the camera just for a hour about all his politics when he had his pol. When. When he had his podcast. But like, it was that same look, except a look of complete. Like he had seen a ghost. Especially when they talked about this case. That's really what I'm referring to. And it felt like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders. And actually, you know, I was hoping. I was like, obviously, you know, this guy has had some. Is from a very different world than I am and very different point of view than I am, but I was hoping. I'm like, if he Leaves there. This is why I said I was watching him. If he leaves there, will he be the volcano that explodes and actually brings out some justice? It was wishful thinking. It has been the complete opposite. He has run a total PR campaign that, you know, again, we talk about choice A and choice B when you're doing pr. Choice A being not even a good choice, but it's just like, well, this won't make things worse. And choice B being like, this is the worst possible thing I could say or do. He's hitting choice B like crazy. And he, like, he's just going online every day as if all he's gonna gaslight his whole audience, who wanted all these fathers release and wanted the truth to suddenly be like, you know, Dan might have a point. We might, we might. We might be good here.

[Joey Deef]

I genuinely was just thinking in my head, like, who actually tunes into him? Like, who? Like, can you. Like this. Can you describe to me like the archetype of person who's tuning in to Dan Bongino

[Julian Dorey]

at this moment? I actually can't. That's the problem. Maybe Michael Tracy. He's probably tuning in.

[Joey Deef]

He is. He's definitely.

[Julian Dorey]

Probably every fucking word.

[Joey Deef]

He watched that, that clip of Dan and Cash and he was like, fuck, they're so right.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, that's it. Nothing to see here. No such thing as a victim. They're not real.

[Joey Deef]

Oh, man.

[Julian Dorey]

Listen, I am all for the exchange of ideas. I am all for hashing things out in public. I am all for discussing things with nuance. It's quite literally what I do on my show and get a lot of shit for whenever someone's on one side or the other and decides to disagree with a random guess or a point of view or something I say or something like that, fuck it, I don't care. We're gonna try to see things where equilibrium is. There is not an equilibrium with. In kids. There's. There's no, there's no equilibrium there. Of like. Well, it could actually just. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Again, you wanna argue about some of the specific crimes, specific people evidence or lack thereof, that's cool. But when you try to explain away this whole thing and say, no, it wasn't even that, or I've even heard people try to come out and say, well, Jeffrey Epstein wasn't. Wasn't a pedophile, he would. There's like another term. Are you using the 16 or 17 year olds? Well, I guess she didn't read the case from 2005, 2006, 2007 in West Palm Beach. It's very on record what he was into. Like when we are starting to not agree on the definition of what a predator is. Like, it's that, that's how a story like this goes away. Because we've lost all common decency in society. So when I see people who are doing that, their opinion is discarded on this matter. I don't want to know them, I don't want to deal with them. This is not, to quote the old, like, leftist ideology. This isn't a political issue. It's. It's about human rights. This actually kind of applies here. Okay? It's not a political issue about trafficking kids. And we got litany mountains of evidence about it. We have emails where he admits it. We have all the emails talking in code. We got pictures of all these fucking disgusting things that even the redacted things look absolutely disgusting. Imagine what they look like unredacted. Like, there are plenty of details once again to still be found and to not treat as law. And I said that at the beginning of the intro. I'll repeat it again. We have to go where the evidence leads us, no matter where that is. But there are a list of things that on a broad 30,000 foot view in the air, cannot be argued with at this point. This is a case regarding sex trafficking. It is a case regarding child sex trafficking. It is a case regarding infinite blackmail. It is intelligence related to multiple intelligence agencies from Assad to CIA to other places potentially as well, that I think clearly have evidence of, of intelligence peddling that Jeffrey Epstein did. It is world banking related. We have seen that without question. We see that Epstein talked about representing the Rothschilds. We see them corroborating that in the emails. And it is arms deals related because we have seen them discuss the Trilateral Commission and many things like that. When you can't start with the basic facts like that. And when you are someone who says that none of that stuff is real, none of it, you know, maybe one or two you argue because you're a little uninformed. Okay, fine, I'll have that argument with you and we'll hash it out like human beings. But when you try to say none of that's happening, or basically none of that's happening, or well, it's all made up and you know, guys like Wes, Les Wexner are totally innocent. There's no conversation there. There's no conversation. I'm sorry. No, I'm not sorry. I'm sorry that I'm not sorry. How about.

[Joey Deef]

On payroll My.

[Julian Dorey]

On the payroll. Alleged payroll. Allegedly. Without any evidence. I say that without any evidence.

[Joey Deef]

Me too.

[Julian Dorey]

But people like that have the appearance of being on somebody's payroll and you know, maybe their microphone doesn't work suddenly when they're asked about it.

[Joey Deef]

Oldest trick in the book.

[Julian Dorey]

Oldest trick in the book.

[Joey Deef]

That, that, that, that had John cracking. John was just like, oh yeah, because

[Julian Dorey]

John and Ben's were on the fucking panel.

[Joey Deef]

John. John looked in the camera and just did this.

[Julian Dorey]

John was doing the Jack Nicholson meme like, like that. Incredible, Incredible. But Bill Gates, Bill Gates apologize. Did you see that?

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, I did see that. I mean, last week he said that

[Julian Dorey]

shit wasn't real, and now he said some of it's real, which means next week more of it will be real.

[Joey Deef]

Oh, that's not good. Yeah, I got that right here. Actually. I got this post. You do New York Post.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah. So he admitted to two affairs with two different Russian women. I guess he has a type. But one of them was one that we've discussed on the podcast before because it was released in a Wall Street Journal article like two or three years ago. And it was the Bridge Player. I think her name was Masha. She was trying to start like this bridge related app or something like that that she wanted Jeffrey Epstein to invest in. And Epstein hooked Bill Gates up with her and they ended up fucking. And she was of age, I'll say that part. Cause that's what he's admitting to. He's admitting to affairs when he was married to Melinda that were of age. But this also comes out of there being that draft email that Jeffrey Epstein wrote to himself about trying to help Bill with an STD that he may have given his wife and you know, given her a secret serum unknowingly in her drink to help her get treatment for it. Like it's really sick. But he's. He's not admitting, he made very specific that he's not admitting to any crimes or being a witness to any crimes. But he did travel with the guy around the world and regrets all of his dealings with him and doing that. But like you said, Deef, it's another example of the puck moving a little bit. And one of the things that came out in that original Wall Street Journal story when they reported on the Bridge Player, whatever it was two or three years ago, was that there was an email that Jeffrey wrote to Bill Gates after he had. I think it was like Epstein invested in the second company. This girl brought to her, brought to him. And then Bill was like stiffen Jeff on other things, or maybe trying to finally get out of his life. I don't remember the details. And Jeff sent him, like, a very coded email, basically saying, yeah, Bill, it would be a real shame if scandals like this came out about you. You owe me money for that investment I made, by the way. Basically, like, shaking the guy down. Which, you know, Bill Gates deserves it. But that was. That's an old email. That's not a new email. That's. That's something we found out. So we'll do a Bill Gates check next week to see what else he's cop to at that point. But again, and I have to say this, we still, as far as I know, if someone has something different than what I'm about to say, please share it in the comments so I can review the evidence. But we still don't have. There is no proof, emphasis on the word proof, that Bill Gates committed sex crimes with Jeffrey Epstein. Does it look like there's a lot of smoke? And do I, for one, if I were a betting man, would I bet on that being the case? Fuck yeah. But I have to say that, like, I. You can't. Like, we. We gotta. We have to run with what we have and then try to keep uncovering things. So keep the pressure on and it'll get uncovered. Speaking of getting uncovered, the amazing thing is that these files are basically creating, like, public investigation. Yeah. And you have everything from major publications doing it and finding things before anyone finds it on Twitter, and then people on Twitter finding things before anyone else finds it. It's incredible to watch the world, like, put a web together from all different thought groups, by the way, which is pretty good. No, it's right. Cool. So there was a report court. But again, is this.

[Joey Deef]

Is it just gonna be a fun game for us to all play together and then, like, nothing happens? You know, like, I remember. Remember when everyone was fucking united and we were all. Remember we were meeting up once a week and we were putting together some strings. What happened? Oh, yeah, they got away with it.

[Julian Dorey]

They're all dead. It's all over.

[Joey Deef]

What do you.

[Julian Dorey]

What do you think from the New York Post about the storage locker?

[Joey Deef]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

This one.

[Joey Deef]

I got that.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, yeah, the first one right there. Yeah, yeah. So this was from a report from the Telegraph reviewing financial records within the files. Jeffrey Epstein secretly stashed computers, photographs, and other items and storage units scattered across the US and paid private detectives to move the material around as investigators closed in on him. That's referring to the investigations back in the 2000s. Financial records and emails reviewed by the Telegraph revealed that the dead Pedo rented at least six storage lockers nationwide, some starting in 2003, and paid for them until 2019, the year he died by suicide, allegedly in lockup. The units were used to house items from his homes, including computers and CDs from his private Caribbean island, Little St. James, the outlet reported. Can you give me the second link now, Deep?

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Julian Dorey]

In there. Because this is where they uncovered some of the things that were in there. Because another part of the Telegraph's report is that there is no record through the search warrants of the FBI ever searching these places. They now know they exist from the files, but there's no record of them having searched it. So New York Post puts out a report saying sex slave manuals, dozens of address books and a huge porn stash were among the trove of sickening items found in one of Jeffrey Epstein's secret storage lockers in Florida. It has been revealed an inventory list obtained by the Telegraph. So he left an inventory list. Again, this isn't from the FBI. He had an personal inventory list showed the late Pedo had a three page list of masseuses, letters and lab results hidden away in the Palm beach storage unit. VHS tapes and DVDs. Erotic doing exactly what you think with kids. We're all in it. Including sex toys and boxloads of them. Yeah, I don't even want to read more of that. You know what I wonder?

[Joey Deef]

Deep lab results.

[Julian Dorey]

His own lab results as well.

[Joey Deef]

What the hell?

[Julian Dorey]

I really wonder, I wonder if right now, even at this moment, there's still some sort of like second layer. This is total speculation right now, people. I'm just thinking out loud.

[Joey Deef]

We're just hitting spec.

[Julian Dorey]

There's some sort of second layer dead man switch sitting in a storage unit somewhere.

[Joey Deef]

Oh, there has to be. I, I, yeah, I mean, I know we're doing just spec here, folks, just pure spec. I totally buy into something like that though.

[Julian Dorey]

There's gotta be, there's gotta be something.

[Joey Deef]

Stuff like this, there's always something.

[Julian Dorey]

It's let, let's look at it from the base level before we found out the inventory list. And what's in there. Just on the surface, someone having a storage unit is perfectly normal. A lot of people I know have a storage unit. It's fine. Doesn't have to be illicit or anything. Obviously he had illicit shit in there.

[Joey Deef]

Mm.

[Julian Dorey]

Having six of them. If he's a guy that has six houses. Six, seven houses. Okay, that makes sense. But the Fact that they were never checked by the FBI, even though there's records of them existing, tells me that there's more.

[Joey Deef]

That's weird.

[Julian Dorey]

And it's weird.

[Joey Deef]

I don't like how like it seems like the FBI didn't do their job at all, like ever with this entire thing.

[Julian Dorey]

It's almost like they were compromised.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, right, because it's just like, it's like where in like the order of operations here do you like see a bunch of storage units on record and you don't even search them. And that's just one thing. It's insane. You know, I bet you if a random civilian who didn't have money and power was apprehended by the authorities, they'd conduct the searches on those folks. Just saying. I don't know.

[Julian Dorey]

Just a thought.

[Joey Deef]

I don't know. It's just speck. Just spec.

[Julian Dorey]

Well, I alluded to it earlier. Perhaps there's some compromise. Perhaps it's not the wolf that snuck in through the back door, but the wolf you let in through the front door in sheep's clothing.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Now, Elaine Maxwell has multiple siblings. One of those siblings is Christine Maxwell, who. Right. On her Wikipedia. We're just going right to the ciapedia here because that even has information on it, believe it or not. God knows what else there is. But right there, when it talks about who she's born to, it lists her father, Robert Maxwell, and correctly lists him as a Czechoslovak born Israeli intelligence agent. Love to see it.

[Joey Deef]

I just want to say before you go further, I was sitting in the, in the studio while Julian was just getting this last part together of the Christine Maxwell thing. And all I kept hearing audibly outside was, oh my God, I, I, that I heard it's real, it's real, it's real. So I just had to say that was, yeah, it's maddening.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, we're gonna get to the evidence here. It's indisputable beyond Wikipedia, trust me. I'm not stopping at Wikipedia. I just want to start there. It's like a little, little warm up. But when it talks about her career. Maxwell was an editor for her father's Pergamon Press publishers in the early 1970s. I have a feeling that's going to be in a future episode with us discussing that more. But according to Tatler, Maxwell spent most of the 1970s and 80s working for her father, which including included running the west coast office in the United States of Pergamon Press and involvement in one of his software acquisitions. In 1982, Maxwell acquired Information on Demand, one of the earliest information brokers, which was later renamed Research on Demand. An information broker, data broker, it's like, specializes in collecting your data. Right. So back in 1982, getting in the forefront of that industry. Good, good. Foresight thief. Good early bet, right?

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, they're good at early.

[Julian Dorey]

They're really good. Really, really good at early bets. So. Maxwell is the creator and co founder of Magellan, one of the first professionally curated online search slash reference guides to Internet content. That's not weird at all. In 1992, she created and co authored one of the first hard copy reference guides to the Internet and they were both published by Macmillan Publishers. I think that's also the one. Am I up right now? That's the one associated with.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, one of her father.

[Julian Dorey]

Right?

[Joey Deef]

The big five.

[Julian Dorey]

Yes. Language, but yeah, that's the textbook one. Yeah. Her father was printing again, we're going to discuss that in the future. After Magellan was acquired by competing search engine excite in 1996. You know what Christine did, Joe?

[Joey Deef]

This is the part.

[Julian Dorey]

Huh?

[Joey Deef]

This is the part.

[Julian Dorey]

But she founded a company called Chile Ad, a software company involved in the advance on demand massively scalable intelligent mining of structured and unstructured data through the use of natural language search technologies. The firm software was behind the data search technology used by the FBI's Counterterrorism Data Warehouse. As of August 2019, Maxwell served as the board director of Chile. Now let's pull up that next article deep.

[Joey Deef]

You can't even make that up.

[Julian Dorey]

You can't.

[Joey Deef]

August 2019.

[Julian Dorey]

We're going beyond Wikipedia now just to make sure people out there understand we're not just trusting whatever you want to say Wikipedia is these days. So can you just zoom a little bit? Yeah, for the folks. All right, so this is from the business wire. In March 2008, Chiliad, the company that solved the 911 connecting the dots problem, hires Dan Ferranti, a CEO industry veteran, assumes command to expand Chile AD's presence. For nearly 10 years, Chiliad has been quietly working. That's, that's what they do, quietly working behind the scenes to develop some of the most powerful and innovative software in the US Government's anti terrorism arsenal. With the addition of Dan Ferrante, a veteran CEO with a proven 27 year track record in the information technology field, the Washington D.C. based company is preparing to extend the benefits of its groundbreaking technology beyond its already impressive client base. The phrase connecting the dots is central to understanding Chiliad's principal software product, Chiliad Discovery Alert. Chiliad's founders, Christine Maxwell and others were influenced by the space shuttle Challenger disaster and the 911 terrorist attacks. Investigations into both events concluded that information stored in incompatible databases and documents maintained by different departments and organizations could have allowed managers and officials to prevent those disasters. But there were simply no existing technology things to connect the dots across so many incompatible systems and organizations. Efforts to solve this problem hastened development efforts within CHILIAD and drove the first deployments of CHILIAD software within the US intelligence community to create a virtual knowledge environment across distributed information Stovepipes, databases and applications. Go down deep. I want to get to where they got the holy grail of who it is. Both the FBI and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the lead US agencies in the war on terrorism, have seen the unique value value CHILIAD offers and has deployed the company's software to tame the mountains of data that must be sifted and analyzed to accomplish their mission. Now again, let me practice what I preach here and talk about evidence leading to concrete foundations of a solution on the other side. And then I'm gonna read what Deep pulled up. That's probably gonna make me throw up. But does that mean for sure that Christine Maxwell, the daughter of Robert Maxwell, one of the most prolific spies to ever walk the earth and the sister of Ghislaine Maxwell, the prolific spy who work right next to Jeffrey Epstein on the biggest sex trafficking honeypot organization we've ever fucking seen. Does that mean for sure that because her company just happened to collect all the data from FBI and this article says NSA but there's also data. I want you to check this Steve, to make sure we got it so that people know it's source. But I believe I'd also read that the, the data information was being shared with CIA as well. I want to make sure I don't miss that. You know she might have just happened to found this data harvesting company. And honestly as a patriotic. Now yes, Steve is saying thumbs up. They work with CIA too. As a patriotic American citizen who immigrated to America, she wants to give the gift of data sharing. You know that's what I would give for Christmas to the intelligence agencies after 9 11. That that's, that is certainly possible. But it's very interesting when a woman connected to the said people I just mentioned is doing that right around the time and selling the product to the government right after the worst terrorist attack in the history of the nation. Right around the time where there's emails going back and forth to her sister talking about a 911 shadow commission.

[Joey Deef]

Well I think I want to. I just looked this up.

[Julian Dorey]

Are you going to upset me?

[Joey Deef]

I don't know. I might just. This might just be pure spec, folks. Might be spec. But she stepped down August 2019 from Chiliad. Christine Maxwell. That's what that said.

[Julian Dorey]

Well, it said as of 2019, she was still serving as chairman of the board.

[Joey Deef]

Okay. Now, the only thing that I haven't found some solid info on is like, what happened to Chiliad post 2019. But in December 2019, Palantir secured a really large position in the US government. $458 million production agreement for data analytics. So the timing. Timing is crazy, dude. It's almost like she set up the foundation and said, yo, Pete, take the rock. Yo, this ball yours

[Julian Dorey]

again?

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, just spec.

[Julian Dorey]

Just spec.

[Joey Deef]

Just spec.

[Julian Dorey]

But it's not in a court of law right now. We wouldn't win that case. The jury wouldn't even deliberate for very long. We'd lose.

[Joey Deef]

Like, this kid has two different socks on, right? It'd be like, what are you doing?

[Julian Dorey]

But it's very interesting. It is. It's very interesting. When she spun up Chiliad too, in the mid-90s. Again, that's spec. But there were people talking about. The new future for America at the time. And that new future included an imminent invasion of Iraq long before 911

[John Kiriakou]

and

[Julian Dorey]

well after Desert Storm. We know that. We've seen that. Wow, that's like. That's just. Sometimes it's. It's too much. I want to pull up that.

[Joey Deef]

There you go. Alan Wade, after his work with Chiliad, was involved with Palantir and was heavily spun.

[Julian Dorey]

Oh my God.

[Joey Deef]

Unsponsored.

[Les Wexner]

Jesus Christ.

[Joey Deef]

In Q Tel.

[Julian Dorey]

Oh my God. Yeah, the original tweet I saw again, I figured this was like, wow, not real, but it's real. It's like a bunch of fucking red alarm bells and shit. Breaking news. Ghislaine Maxwell Sisters. Ghislaine Maxwell Sisters are literally in control of the FBI computer systems, including NSA and Epstein files, which. That. I have to say, that might be a stretch. Little stretch, yeah. At this point, I don't think that's true. But the next part. Christine Maxwell co founded Chile AD, providing data mining software to FBI's Counterterrorism Warehouse post 9 11, enabling searches across across agencies like CIA and NSA. That is true. Isabel Maxwell led Israeli firms Commutouch and Incog. I cognito with board roles at Perez center for Peace and Israel Venture Network. That I haven't. I don't think I checked that one yet, but that does ring a bell. But Isabel Maxwell, this one I looked at, is employed by the World Economic Forum as a technology pioneer. And that gets right back full circle to like, you know, there being a trilateral commission and the types, the things that these groups discuss. John even talked about how the woman that he knew who got into that then was able to go to like Davos with the same people discussing things from a different angle. But it's this. It's the same thing. And it's this kind of global order and this stuff that in the past I was like, yeah, some of that seems like there's some powerful people who want that for sure, for sure. But like, the scope of when people would say, no, no, like most of them want it or the people that actually run the world want it. I. In the past I would have been like, that feels like. Feels like you're reaching. Yeah, I don't feel that way anymore. I don't. There. There is a real. And part of it also is then like tying together things we already knew with like the people that literally would be at the forefront of conspiracies like that when you talk about the Rockefellers and stuff and what that is. And I did some more pulling on that, by the way, after my talk with John on and off camera. And get in the game with the college branded Venmo debit card. Wreck your team with every tap and earn up to 5% cash back with Venmo stash, a new rewards program from Venmo. No monthly fee, no minimum balance, just school pride and spending power. Get in the game and sign up for the Venmo debit [e-mail] collegecard the Venmo MasterCard is issued by the Bancorp Bank. NA Select Schools available Venmo stash terms and exclusions apply at venmo.me stash terms max 100 cash back per month. Monster Energy. Everybody knows White Monster, zero Ultra, that's the OG it kicked off this whole zero sugar energy drink thing. But Ultra is a whole lineup now. Now you've got strawberry Dreams, Blue Hawaiian sunrise and Vice Guava. And they all bring the monster energy punch. So if you've been living in the white can branch out. Ultra's got a flavor for every vibe and every single one is zero sugar Tap the banner to learn more. Can you pull up the clip of Kiriakou talking about David Rockefeller real quick? Yeah, because we gotta talk about him, the grandson of the original Rockefeller. But this was from episode 388 where John tells a Story about his interaction with David Rockefeller in Bahrain.

[John Kiriakou]

I told you about my encounter with David Rockefeller, did I not?

[Julian Dorey]

You did not tell me about that.

[John Kiriakou]

No, I was. I was working in Bahrain in the American Embassy. I was the economic officer, and I was a longtime subscriber to this wonderful magazine called art news magazine. And I read this article about David Rockefeller being given this major, like, artwork world award for the work that he's done over the course of, you know, 75 years or whatever it was, for art in New York. And then we get a cable from the State department saying that David Rockefeller is coming to Bahrain because he's being given an award by the Bahraini American Bankers Association. And the ambassador comes into my office. David Ransom. Wonderful, wonderful ambassador, lovely human being, one of the best bosses I ever had. And he said, hey, we got a cable from state saying that David Rockefeller's coming out to Bahrain. He's going to collect this award from the Bankers Association. I said, the Bankers association? And he said, yeah, I want you to be his control officer. I said, I'd love to be his control officer. What that means is you arrange the car, you arrange the hotel, you make sure he gets from point A to point B, and just make sure there are no problems. If he wants to go shopping, you take him shopping, you do anything he wants. I welcomed it. Well, as soon as the Bahrainis heard that David Rockefeller was coming, his highness the amir announces. We're going to do a state dinner, right? So the entire cabinet, the entire royal family, the entire diplomatic corps, all the ambassadors, all the credited diplomats. This is a major event, like the biggest social event of the year. It's at his main palace. They're like 500 people there. So I go. And I was saving my congress. See, I thought I was very clever. I was just a stupid kid. So I saved my congratulations for his award for the receiving line. So I say to the emir, it's such a pleasure to see you, your highness. And I said, the prime minister, we didn't like each other very much. Like, you know, hello,

[Julian Dorey]

hello.

[John Kiriakou]

He would always say, hello, Kiria.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah.

[John Kiriakou]

And then he.

[Julian Dorey]

You're like the spy version of a veep episode. I don't know if anyone ever told you that.

[John Kiriakou]

And then it comes David Rockefeller. And I said, Mr. Rockefeller, I wanted to congratulate you on your, you know, whatever it was called, award. Oh, he lights up. Thank you so much. I'm so proud of that award. The Guggenheim and the madness. And then I, you know, go. And then the next night, he collects his Award from the Bankers Association. And he leaves. So we had a 9 o' clock meeting in the embassy every day. It was, you know, the Ambassador, the Deputy Chief of Mission, and the heads of all the departments. So I'm in there in the morning meeting and the Ambassador says, so the Rockefeller visit went very well. And I said, because I'm an idiot. I said, why would a guy who's almost 100 years old fly halfway around the world to collect a little trophy from some bankers that he's never met before? And the Ambassador goes like this. He goes, john, John, you're supposed to be the smart one. I said, what? What am I missing? He's like, he didn't come for the banker's award. That was his cover stuff. And I said, so what was he doing here? He said, david Rockefeller is the secret backchannel to Saddam Hussein. He came here to make it look like he had business in the Middle East. We put him on a military transport this morning and sent him to Baghdad to tell Saddam Hussein to, cut it out or you're gonna get a bomb up your ass. And then he flew back from Baghdad. And I was like, man, I have a lot to learn.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay, pause it, Dan. That's perfect. Again, evidence that pulls up Tucker Carlson's Supra government idea straight into the real world where you have intel agencies being a liaison, fixer service for the people who actually run the world and get to tell the world leaders what happens and what doesn't, basically who gets to die. Yeah. Now can you pull up. There's a link there. David Rockefeller's Wikipedia.

[Joey Deef]

Yep.

[Julian Dorey]

I actually want to start with the very bottom, because again.

[John Kiriakou]

What's that?

[Joey Deef]

Awards?

[Julian Dorey]

No, the Go to International conspiracy. Yeah. This is something that has been in the public domain for 23, 24 years, since David Rockefeller became the first Rockefeller to ever write an autobiography. But again, when we talk about hiding in plain sight, there's no hiding. He's saying exactly what it is. This is. This is in response to accusations regarding wanting basically, like an NWO he wrote in his 2003 book. For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Yeah, because they don't wield any of that. Right. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure. One world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty. And I am proud of it.

[Joey Deef]

Wow. I never seen that before.

[Julian Dorey]

Wow. That's exactly what it sounds like. I mean, he, he was nice enough to actually lay out the whole preamble ahead of time and say, yeah, I'm guilty. That's me. It's what we do. When you look at this guy's life and you look at, obviously he's a Rockefeller, he's the grandson of gazillionaire, but you look at where he was and the things he did. Someone who developed, you know, the powerhouse that became JP Morgan Chase as we know it today. It was Chase Manhattan back when he was working there. But he worked in and around intelligence during World War II and then went into the banking industry and became someone. This is a guy who had extremely close ties to Alan Dulles and was basically around in the area as a fucking Rockefeller coming of age. Age at the time that CIA is founded. And we are now hearing direct first person sources of this guy gallivanting halfway across the world saying, give me a military transport, transport and give me a fucking cover story of some banking award so that I can go tell Saddam Hussein and remind him who his daddy is. Wow. David Rockefeller was the founder of the Trilateral Commission. That's why I'm telling this story.

[Jeffrey Epstein]

Story.

[Julian Dorey]

The founder. I'm not even going to get into the other people who were a part of the Founding committee, if you will. But he was the founder of it. It's real. And there's another link I have there deep under. Oh, it should be under where I have the Trilateral Commission. It's the video of Epstein talking about it.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, I got that right.

[Julian Dorey]

So I'm gonna have you cut to like the 120mark on this. Before the 120mark. Epstein is just rambling almost incoherently, talking about his associations with Rockefeller and being on the board of their foundation, stuff like that. And then he's. We could play it right here deep. Let's let it roll.

[Jeffrey Epstein]

So he thought that there was a world that existed that would be a combination of both politics and business and leadership. What do I mean? He formed something called the Trilateral Commission. The Trilateral Commission is some spooky stuff. People said it was some of the people that. The Illuminati, some mystery about it, people that ran the world. It was politicians. But David said most countries the politicians get elected for four years or eight years, separate from the royal families in England or in the Middle East. Someone's there for four years and then they're not there anymore. The most important people to have stability and consistency would be businessmen. So he formed this Trilateral Commission of businessmen and politicians from three major continents. So it was the North Americans, the Europeans and the Asians. So he said to me, would you like to be on the Trilateral Commission? I was 30 years old, 32 years old. I said, great. And he said, well, you have to fill out the this application. So they have your bio. And I looked at the list of people and it was Bill Clinton, former President of the United States, Paul Volcker, every great leader in America, the Asians, the Japanese, and with a very long description of their history. And they asked me to fill in what I would like to have written. And I wrote Jeffrey Epstein, comma, just a good kid, which I thought was funny. Nobody else did.

[Julian Dorey]

Why the would they? It's similar question what you heard at the end there. Why are they letting a kid from Coney island on the Trilateral Commission? But this has been documented before that I forget who it was, but like it was written about in books in the late 90s when no one knew who Jeffrey Epstein was, that he was on the Trilateral Commission. And I returned to this because they're discussing arms deals, according to John's source at these places. And arms deals are deals that are governments use to move weapons around and fund conflicts and wars around the world, which basically puts people in a position where there's going to be a lot of death. And if you want to get into population control and they're One World government type things, well, here you go. You have the guy, David Rockefeller saying he wants a One World Government, and you have him creating commissions that are facilitating these deals and having them done through that fixer class, that middle class, between the presidents and the people who run the world, which are the people like Jeffrey Epstein and Adnan Khashoggi and everything that they touch and they're around. And it gets back to the incestuous relationship of all these groups of people with each other on each layer. The incestuous relationship of the presidents and the government bureaucracy, the incestuous relationships of the people in the fixer class and the incestuous relationships of the people in the top class and how they maybe go across those little classes with each other and have some weird sex parties and stuff. I don't know. It's weird. But like, yeah, man, when you have A moment like we had where we're tying one of the most notorious arms dealers to ever live. And Khashoggi, who worked directly with Jeffrey Epstein and worked with all these guys like the David Rockefellers of the world, when we see that. And then something is quote unquote, simple as Dodi Fayed, the last guy dating Princess Diana, who had the most influence of anyone in the world, who's killed with her in her very suspicious car crash in Paris, happens to be the fucking guy's nephew. Like, it gets nuts when you start thinking about how it all ties together. And I want to put this as a side anecdote just to give you an idea. I remember reading a book, Gideon Spies, a couple years ago, and the first chapter literally made my heart stop because it's discussing. It's it. It's a book by Gordon Thomas. I want to say his name was Gordon Thomas or Gordon Brown. We can check that. But one of his main sources was, I believe, Ari Ben Menashi, the former Israeli spy who, you know, speaks up around a lot of these and his Persona non grata with them now. But first chapter is describing a Katya code name. I want to say Henry, I don't know if remembering that right. In Paris. And it talks about how Paris was like of all the places in Europe, it was the biggest hub for Mossad to have their. Akatia is like a case agent. And it's telling the story about a source that this guy was working at the Ritz Hotel, which thief and I just attended in, in December, told that story. It's a podcast, very interesting place. But as I'm reading the chapter, it starts to become clear, like they're describing what types of source a guy like this Katya would look for in a place like that. You didn't want someone too high up because it's too obvious. You didn't. Someone you didn't want, someone like a janitor, because they really don't know anything. You needed someone in between those two. So he starts talking about this guy Henri, who's. Who's a. Facilitates transportation of high profile guests and things like that. And my heart stopped because he's talking about Henri, the driver of the car, the drunk driver of the car that ended up killing Diana and, and Dodi Fayed. And the Katya was outside the front of the Ritz that night. And what's also discussed is how the Ritz was the most popular place in Europe for Middle Eastern oil deals and Arab nations to discuss arms deals and things like that. So they Righteously so would be trying to spy on a place like that. And all of these places from the arab countries, as far as I know, and in this case also like a mossad spy were present the night that the most famous woman in world history was killed. Very. Which I don't even know what to do with that. Very, very interesting. But the fact that the man she's killed with, the final man she happens to be dating is the nephew of Adnan Khashoggi, who's connected to all these places. All these places. Extremely, extremely interesting. And you can look at things like this and. And ask yourself these questions without proof. There's no proof of anything here. I'm just asking questions related to a lot of very weird contextual examples around, like a big event. One big event right here. And how it may tie back to people like this. But seeing that that kind of world bump up right into John Kiriakou's world in such a brazen way, it's like, who do. Who does CIA work for then? It ain't the president.

[Joey Deef]

No, most certainly not.

[Julian Dorey]

It ain't the president. And that gets real. That's. That's a. That's an uncomfortable conversation. That's important to be had now as we start to look at the real class structure that runs the world. But we said we were going to do it at the beginning. Deep. Let's do it. I'm skipping some stuff we'd had on there. I knew this would happen because we're not going to have enough time. So we'll have to punch some stu stuff the next week. But I do not want to punt the Lex Wexner stuff. Let's start with the first clip right there. I have a few in there. But one thing I do want to say about Les Wexer's testimony. Well, two things. Number one, like the Clintons, who are about to be deposed on this subject. He was deposed on his own turf in his own sprawling mansion out in Ohio. The Clintons are going to be deposed on their own turf in their own sprawling spawling mansion in Chappaqua. Why are these powerful people getting the treatment of. They get to be deposed on their turf and you got the. The senators and congressmen gotta come to them where they are. Why are they not being pulled up in front of congress just like Pam Bondi, as it should be, in front of the American people right there with all the cameras and all the bright lights and everything? To answer these questions, That's a reasonable question to ask. Why are they getting special Treatment. Treatment. So that's interesting. The second thing is I am no body language expert officially or anything like that. Obviously in a job like this, thief and I probably are better than a lot of people in reading body language, but we're not trained like the guys on YouTube who are geniuses and catch every micro thing. I would love to have one of those guys break down this full deposition though, because the nervousness, the crossed arms that moving his arms at every single time and tucking in his shoulders like this and his head and his neck down in an obsequious manner. I'm referring to Les Wexner and the pauses of words and the nervous laughing. I mean, he was shitting himself. This was a very. That I know, I'd love to know more detail than that from someone who's an expert, but this is one of the world's most powerful men. A billionaire to the nth degree who's gotten away with a lot of things, in my opinion. Pretty clear that look like a scared abandoned dog in a corner for sure. So let's get to the first one here. This is where he discusses basically the bona fides that Jeffrey Epstein offered him.

[Les Wexner]

I think it was his experience at an industrial level, like looking for a big company like Bear Stearns. And then he had done personal work for the Rothchild family in France.

[Julian Dorey]

Personal wealth management, essentially.

[Les Wexner]

I don't know.

[Julian Dorey]

We've seen some reports that he would present himself as a bounty hunter, that he would find people's missing money. Do you recall him saying anything like that? That.

[Les Wexner]

No.

[Julian Dorey]

Blink right again. See that? See his eyes.

[Les Wexner]

Well, specifically I talked to Ellie de Rothschild since I mentioned that earlier. So he represented their whole families that have been a whole bunch of people. Most of them I never would have met in New la. I never met people, but there were people that called me that either insinuated or said they were knew Jeffrey through a financial relationship.

[Julian Dorey]

And

[Les Wexner]

so, I mean, they could have been actors. But in the time a guy calls me up, I'll give you an example because I want you to understand this is, it's. It's so confusing to me. He would say, like, I'm providing financial advice to the founders of Google. I'm financial, providing financial advice to Jeff Bezos. I'm finance, providing a natural financial.

[Julian Dorey]

Bezos just punching air right now. Damn it.

[Les Wexner]

I'm in good company because these are really smart guys with a lot of money and you have to put yourself in the mindset.

[Julian Dorey]

I pause it if you. Also interesting the Google and, and guys and Bezos wouldn't be relevant for that type of clout until at least the early 2000s for that to be said. And he began his relationship with Epstein in the mid-80s. So the one to focus in on is he talked to Ellie the Rothschild. Another thing that happened is he was asked about Bob Meister, who introduced him to Epstein. And he was asked if Meister ever warned him about Epstein. He says, no. Can we play this real quick?

[Les Wexner]

I don't remember.

[Julian Dorey]

And how did you first come to meet Mr. Epstein?

[Les Wexner]

Was really by accident.

[Julian Dorey]

By accident.

[Les Wexner]

I was friend with. With a. A couple of Bob and Wendy Meister. And I was in Florida, and I'd never been to Florida, so they were driving me around, showing me what South Florida looked like and asked. And they showed me the Breakers Hotel, and they were just driving around the driveway. And this Bob stopped the car, and he said, there's somebody you should meet. Really smart, savvy guy named Jeffrey Epstein. And so they stopped the car. I was sitting in the back seat, and they introduced me to Jeffrey, and we drove off. That was about it.

[Julian Dorey]

So at that time, you had no knowledge of Mr. Epstein until Mr. Meister introduced you to him?

[Les Wexner]

Never heard of him, never saw him, never met him.

[Julian Dorey]

Did Mr. Meister ever raise any concerns about Mr. Epstein?

[Les Wexner]

No, he didn't.

[Julian Dorey]

All right, pause it there. In 2021, there's a second part to this post, Steve, if you X out of that. Yeah, there it is in Vanity Fair. This is list. I'll just read it off. Wexner met Epstein sometime around 1986. They were introduced by Wexner's close friend, the insurance mogul Robert Meister, who stood firm, handled insurance for the Limited, his company. I spoke with Meister in April, and he opened up for the first time about the origins of Wexner and Epstein's relationship. Meister, whose estimation of Epstein had done a total 180, gave his friend a general warning about his character. Meister says he and his wife Wendy warned Wexner to stay away from Epstein. You know, I'm actually more inclined to believe less Wexner on this one. That, to me, seems like a post. Epstein having shit happen. People ducking and covering and acting like they always saw through it. Like we've called out so many other people for. So Les Wexner might actually be telling the truth about Meister right there. It's interesting, though, because we immediately have a discrepancy between two people discussed in an on the record deposition, which means if he's not telling the Truth. There's an example of what could be one of many examples of perjury. Let's also pull up the. The close friends one. This is so bad. All right.

[Joey Deef]

Shall we?

[Julian Dorey]

Yep. Been reported repeatedly that you were close friends with Mr. Epstein. Why do you think people would come to that conclusion?

[Les Wexner]

Objection.

[John Kiriakou]

Hearsay.

[Julian Dorey]

Blink.

[Jeffrey Epstein]

Right.

[Les Wexner]

Speculation. Because he would tell him that. But he told me he was friends. I mean, if you told me that you were friends with Bill Clinton, I would believe it. Or if anybody told me somebody was a friend, I would believe it. So I. I think the perspective that I have now, and I think what's really important for this group to understand is it as I look back at it, I was conned by the world Olympic all time con artist. And. And you look at. I read in the news all the people he knew. Royalty, kings, princes and all that. An incredible con artist.

[Julian Dorey]

All right, pause it. Do you think so a man worth billions of dollars, who owns all these huge companies, who signed over power of attorney Jeffrey Epstein, who gave him the biggest townhouse in man and most historic townhouse in Manhattan for $10, who handed over all of his finances to him and apparently didn't have enough foresight to even talk to him on a daily basis about it. Because in another part of his deposition, he talks about how he was under the impression that Epstein had other clients. Meaning he wasn't full time for the guy. I mean, he wasn't running a full time Leslie Wexner family office, which he does need with that much money. You're telling me that for that many years. For at least two decades. And that's if he's to be believed, that he cut ties in 2000, 2007, which I do not believe. But for at least two decades, and maybe three plus, he trusted Jeffrey Epstein to the tee and was completely conned. And never once had a thought about, you know, maybe maybe this guy who's like a college dropout from Coney Island. And I never know. I never know what he's doing. I never know what's going on. Like what is he. You know, he just said he represented these people. And I just. But maybe I should look at this and maybe at the very least I should diversify my holdings. Maybe I should take a billion and give it to another manager or somewhere else. I don't know. Maybe Bill Ackman would do it. I'm sure he would have. Very much obliged.

[Joey Deef]

He's like Stephen J. Lockjaw in one battle after another. He's like, I was raped in Reverse.

[Julian Dorey]

You know, you were raped in reversed. The enemy sought what I had and decided that it was more valuable my power.

[Joey Deef]

She was a semen demon.

[Julian Dorey]

Oh,

[Joey Deef]

that's literally what he's literally pulling

[Julian Dorey]

the rape in reverse.

[Joey Deef]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Julian Dorey]

So good. That's so good. Whenever we're talking about Wexner here too, as well, obviously, we're trying to find all the hardcore evidence beyond just the helping Epstein facilitate all this stuff that could point to Wexner participating in things like this or being involved in the trafficking directly. You're going to hear from an Epstein survivor I had in who discusses how the trafficking would happen in the modeling world world, which is, you know, this is the guy who ran Victoria's Secret. That is the famous Victoria's Secret fashion show. You're involved in that world. When you're doing that, it's not to say right there, that means you're guilty, but, like, it was a very common thing where women would just be taken around as escorts and girls, underage girls would have that happen. But if you remember, in the 2020 James Patterson Netflix documentary about Epstein, Maria Farmer, one of the survivors, was in that, and she was the artist, and she was drawing throughout the documentary. And they showed it at the end when she was done. She was drawing this. This huge mural. Def has it up on the screen called the Sea Tiles, which was like a reptilian kind of thing of all the evil people she came across from Epstein to Clinton to. There's just a million different people on there. But she specifically made Lex Wexner or Les Wexner, the head of the actual snake coming out of the ground because she viewed him as the head of the whole operation. And I may remind you, Maria Farmer, her sister, was also a survivor as well. Maria Farmer was Jeffrey Epstein's office assistant for a long time. She was around him for a while and saw a lot of things. Doesn't mean every. Like, I can't therefore say that means every single claim is real. I. I'm inclined to believe her on a lot of things. And it's funny, when people put a lot of stuff that may be inconvenient to how the world order functions aside, when a victim says it, who was there, and we're seeing this again and again and again, and it's just pissing me off to no end. Dave, down at the bottom, there's a check in on our favorite friend. I gotta get that before we leave.

[Joey Deef]

Check in?

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, and put a link there. I've talked about how much these People hate you, this micro elite and how much they laugh in your face because they can, they can just get away with it. And I, I have, I have genuine contempt for a guy like Howard Lutnick. I really do. This is Howard Lutnick at the State of the Union the other night with the audacity. There's, there's no volume to it. D if you don't need it. With the audacity to show his face on camera, let's just play it for people. Look at him shaking hands with everyone, smiling, Glad Handing says, what's up to Chuck Schumer. Good to see you again, sir. Goes up Roberts, watch Robert's body language here. Chief Justice. He wants nothing to fucking do with the guy, but this is what they do. He's continuing his job. He's pretending nothing happens. He's, he's pretending that he didn't. He's not a complete bold faced liar. He's pretending that it's not extremely weird that he was neighbors with the guy for so long, one Jeffrey Epstein. He's pretending that none of it is the case and he can just continue doing what he does and the President allows it to happen, happen. And I just find that so, so wrong. And I, I started this point earlier, but I want to close on this because I got off it and I talked about how this really is such a red line for me. And I have to admit sometimes, like, it's gotten me to the point where my emotions aren't in check. And that's something, you know, I know how to change the volume in an appropriate way on, on a podcast. I've been doing this a long time. I enjoy that. And you know, sometimes you can laugh really loud or, you know, get worked up about something in a healthy way. And like I said, the first time I got worked up about Lutnick a few weeks ago was just raw and real and, and that was fine. It is what it is. But I've been getting worked up on and off camera a little bit about this, you know, where I can feel my blood pressure actually rising. And I like to get a little better control of that because as angry as this makes me, and as angry as it should make many of you or pretty much anyone who really looks at this case, you know, me sitting here and constantly screaming about it, it's not going to make things better. And if you're doing the same thing, that's not going to make things better either. We have to sift through this stuff. As awful as some of it is. And look at this with as much of a balance head. Does that mean that I can't get a little bit worked up? No, I, I think that's fine. But I, I, I just want to admit that, like, I, I have definite, I can feel it, I can feel it in some podcasts where I'm getting mad, and that is just not, it's not normal. I'm, I'm a, I'm someone that usually has great control of that, but it's telling me that there's just something so sickeningly different about this one that it's gotten me to that point. So if you're hearing some of that in some of the podcasts and it's a little much, I apologize for that. Again, I'm not going to apologize for looking into this case and, and feeling a certain type of way about it, but I'll try to keep some of that under check. And if there's a moment where it really doesn't need to be under check because it's ridiculous, I'll try to make that call. And I hope it's the appropriate call when I do, but I, I don't want to be just out here screaming for streams all the time. That's certainly not, not the objective. So I'll try to watch that a little bit.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, I'm gonna watch myself, too. I feel like I've been getting crazy on here. Everyone's been just like, oh, my God, this guy's out of his mind. So my, my apologies, guys.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, Deep just sits there with like, oh.

[Joey Deef]

I'm like, whoa.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah. But everybody, we got, got some great episodes coming up. Like I said, we're gonna have Katerina Schultz coming in to discuss everything that's going on in Mexico. I'm putting out another episode with Dave Frank, which actually was covering all his work on the ground against the cartels in Mexico, which is relevant to stuff coming up. I have the Epstein Survivor episodes. There's two of them coming up as well. It's. I'm just trying to play with the order because we have a lot of content we're getting to, and also I'm going to be putting out Sonny Faz and Beck Lover, which is kind of a different perspective than, than the ROKA news guys had on some of the same issues. So we like to cover both spectrums of the issue and that. I didn't even actually plan that one that way. It just kind of worked out that way as it pertains to Islam conflicts in the Middle east, stuff like that. So I'm doing my best with all of it. Again, my opinions change, your opinions change. But I'm trying to look at it from every angle that we can. And we'll continue to do that. That's what we've always done, and that's all I got. Beef.

[Joey Deef]

Same here. All right, here, brother.

[Julian Dorey]

Everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. What's up, guys? Thanks so much for watching the video. If you have not subscribed, please hit that subscribe button before you leave. As well as leaving a like on the video. It's a huge, huge help. You can join my Patreon via the link in the description and you can also join my Clipping community via the Discord link down below. See you for the next episode. It's tax season, and at LifeLock, we know you're tired of numbers, but here's a big one you need to hear. Billions. That's the amount of money and refunds

[John Kiriakou]

the IRS has flagged for possible identity fraud.

[Julian Dorey]

Now here's another big number. 100 million. That's how many data points LifeLock monitors every second. If your identity is stolen, we'll fix it. Guaranteed. One last big number. Save up to 40% your first year. Visit lifelock.com podcast for the threats you can't control. Terms apply.