#411 - MISSING 11 "Scientists," Epstein's Iran Negotiator & UFO Lies | Julian Dorey

Summary

Julian Dorey Podcast #411

MISSING 11 "Scientists," Epstein's Iran Negotiator & UFO Lies
April 18, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Julian Dorey and co-host Joey Deef dive deep into the viral and controversial story of the eleven “missing scientists”—unpacking what’s actually known about these cases, exploring potential links between them, and speculating (often in their trademark satirical, skeptical tone) about connections to corruption, geopolitics, and cover-ups. The episode also explores strange overlaps between Jeffrey Epstein’s network, current US foreign policy figures, bizarre government appointments, and ongoing UFO/anti-gravity rumors. The conversation is grounded in a “pure spec” (speculation) motif, acknowledging both the limits of available evidence and the ways such stories can distract or obfuscate bigger issues.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: Pure Speculation as a Theme

• The hosts set a light, conspiratorial mood with a tongue-in-cheek Liam Neeson impersonation, framing the episode as a space for speculation:
  • “All is well, Joey Deef. All is well. All is wonderful, right? ... There’s gonna be a lot of pure spec today. Like, that was the theme of our little meetup for the last half hour.” (01:59)
• They announce that a more deeply informed guest will be joining next week for further analysis.

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2. Epstein Network Updates & Political Corruption

• Recap of Amanda Ungaro, her deleted tweets targeting Melania Trump, and her connections to ex-husband Paolo Zampoli—an infamous modeling agent with both documented and alleged links to Jeffrey Epstein.
• Ungaro’s deportation circumstances are scrutinized, raising questions about sweetheart deals, legal norms, and selective law enforcement (07:29–08:35).
  • Memorable quote: “It sounds like something of a sweetheart deal, if I may.” —Joey Deef (08:31)
• Detailed exploration of Zampoli’s deep, decades-long ties to modeling agencies and Epstein, his odd appointment as a US “Special Representative for Global Partnerships,” and the absurdity of such shadowy, invented diplomatic roles (12:26–13:18).
• Zampoli resurfacing at recent Iran peace talks as part of the US delegation is presented as symbolic of larger systemic rot.

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3. Iran Negotiations & Government Farce

• Recap of recent Iran nuclear talks: 300-strong US delegation, JD Vance, Steve Witkoff, and Jared Kushner as key negotiators, and the presence of Zampoli.
• Noted goalpost shifting (insistence on zero uranium enrichment), open questions about outside influence (e.g., Israeli government), and implications of apparent conflicts of interest.
• Julian’s satire highlights just how brazen such appointments have become:
  • “You’re not sending your best here, pal. This is what we got.” (18:17)
• Critique of the farcical nature and open symbolism found in these events.

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4. Unpacking the “Missing Scientists” Story

(Timestamps: Begins ~41:50)

Introduction to the Cases

• The “11 missing scientists” narrative is broken down, with Julian and Joey emphasizing that not all cases are directly comparable—only some are strict scientists; some are administrators or technical personnel.
• Cases are categorized for clarity:
  • Novartis cancer researcher
  • Los Alamos and Kansas City nuclear lab employees (often not scientists per se)
  • The late Amy Eskridge (CEO of a gravity/anti-gravity research institute)
  • MIT physicist Nuno Loreto (victim of a mass shooting)
  • Five with JPL/NASA connections, including General McCaslin

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Case-by-Case Analysis & Insights

A. Jason Thomas: Novartis Cancer Researcher

• Ruled likely unrelated: context of tremendous personal loss (parents died within an hour), apparent suicide, with no clear connection to defense or physics (42:51–48:31)
• Julian muses on the darker side of biotech—possible suppression of potential cancer cures.

B. MIT Physicist Nuno Loreto

• Killed by a former classmate who carried out a shooting spree—motive officially “none,” triggering Julian’s concern over possible “MK Ultra”–style mind games but ultimately marked as a “very light yellow” (49:23–52:26)
• “Case closed, we don’t talk about it again. My mind goes a little MK Ultra on that. It’s possible, probable, no. Possible. Pure spec.” —Julian (51:53)

C. Non-Scientist Nuclear Facility Employees

• Examples: Melissa Cassius (executive assistant, Los Alamos), Anthony Chavez (retired HVAC tech with clearance), Steven Garcia (Kansas City National Security Campus security/property custodian).
• Detailed scenario-building: Employees with access, not domain expertise. Emphasis on the fact that “splitting the difference” (i.e., targeting medium-clearance staff) is a classic espionage tactic (63:34–68:23).
• Many disappeared suspiciously, leaving essentials behind, sometimes after resetting their phones or acting abnormally—raising suspicions about coercion or abduction.
• Satirical dramatizations of “getting the Liam Neeson call” (56:49–58:35)—a motif repeated throughout.

D. Amy Eskridge: Anti-Gravity Researcher

• CEO of Exotic Sciences Institute (aka Gravity Research Institute), working with NASA/Huntsville.
• Died in 2022, now grouped as the 11th suspicious case only recently; her quotes about the riskiness of frontier science are highlighted:
  • “If you stick your neck out in public, at least someone notices if your head gets chopped off. If you stick your neck out in private, they will bury you. They will burn down your house while you’re sleeping in your bed, and it won’t even make the news. That’s why the institute exists.” (72:47)
  • “My life is in danger.” (73:23)
• Events around her death (no police or autopsy report, rapid cremation, sudden erasure of her institute) suggest possible foul play (75:18–76:22).

E. JPL-Linked Cases & General McCaslin

• Five cases tied into JPL, focused on high-value, frontier scientific work (NASA, exoplanets, anti-asteroid defense):
  • Carl Grillamar: Astrophysicist, murdered at home by a previously arrested stranger. Family denies connection to broader narrative, but the timing/oddity is noted.
  • Michael David Hicks & Frank Maywald: Both died unpublicized deaths (potential alcohol-related for Hicks), both worked on major NASA projects.
  • Monica Raza: JPL director, disappeared during hike, never found; strong links to McCaslin’s domain.
  • General McCaslin: The pivotal case; extremely high-ranking Air Force general, deep historic ties to black projects, vanishes without a trace after leaving home with just a handgun.
    • “He looks the part. He looks like that Delta Force dude from all the memes. Like, same vibes. This was a brilliant man… You want to talk about a Forrest Gump of not just the US Air Force… This is your guy.” (93:09)

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5. On Distractions, Government Manipulation, and the Problem of Visibility

• Detailed timeline offered (77:30–78:50) connecting Obama going public about aliens, Trump ordering a Pentagon “UFO transparency” dump as a potential “shiny object” distraction, and the mainstreaming of the missing scientist story by outlets like the Daily Mail and White House press corps.
• Awareness that these events may serve as engineered diversions:
  • “Sometimes I wonder if that’s the point, to…decredibilize the whole industry so that people go, ‘Ah, it’s all…’” (81:15)

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6. Overarching Themes & Pure Speculation

• Running skepticism whether such high-profile, weird events are genuine or orchestrated, and how they might intersect with larger state priorities (corruption, black ops, espionage, taboo science, or just misdirection).
• “The timing of them putting [the story] together should be setting off a potential alarm bell…they would like to distract from [other things] right now of their own making. They meaning the entire system.” (84:32)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Diplomatic Corruption:
  “As far as I'm concerned, as our client state, [Israel has] no say in the matter whatsoever.” —Julian (30:10)
• On Scientist Disappearances:
  “The big thing that I just keep feeling like is there's like the alarm gets hit. Yes, the alarm gets hit. And they're like, all right, you know where to go. Leave all your shit. It's very weird, right?” —Joey Deef (62:39)
• On “Pure Spec” Podcasting:
  “I gotta paint a picture here. We gotta at least try.” —Julian (69:11)
• On the (Meta) Distraction Angle:
  “It does make the story a little more interesting. But again, the timing of them putting it together should be setting off a potential alarm bell. And [it should be] taken with a grain of salt, given the fact that there's a lot of things that they would like to distract from right now of their own making. They meaning the entire system.” (84:32)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |--------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:27 | Liam Neeson bit, podcast theme set | | 01:55 | “World is burning… scientists missing”—Intro to the main themes | | 03:00 | Reference to secretive Bilderberg meeting | | 07:29 | Amanda Ungaro, Epstein, and U.S. political corruption recap | | 14:34 | Deep dive into Paolo Zampoli, his invention of “shell roles,” Iran negotiations montage | | 41:50 | Main “missing scientists” segment begins | | 42:51 | Jason Thomas (Novartis) case dissected | | 49:23 | MIT physicist shooting; “pure spec” MK Ultra tangent | | 53:55 | The three “not really scientists” at Los Alamos and Kansas City labs | | 55:24 | Melissa Cassius disappearance scenario-building | | 63:34 | Kansas City National Security Campus — role in nuclear weapons, disappearance of Steven Garcia | | 70:31 | Amy Eskridge and anti-gravity research, suspicious death | | 77:30 | Timeline: how the “missing scientists” narrative hit the mainstream | | 84:55 | Recap: Five JPL/NASA-connected cases | | 93:09 | General McCaslin — preview for next episode |

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Tone & Style Notes

• Conversation is informal, irreverent, and quick with satire, but hosts ground their speculation in documented facts where possible.
• Frequent meta-commentary on “pure spec” boundaries, the pitfalls of overinterpreting breadcrumbs, and the possibility of deliberate distractions.
• The “Liam Neeson phone call” becomes a running gag about the shadowy fate of mid-level government employees.

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Final Thoughts

The episode leaves open the question: Are these deaths and disappearances part of a grand cover-up—possibly involving scientific secrets, international espionage, or even extraterrestrial tech—or are they a mix of coincidence, system rot, distraction, and rumor? Julian promises more focused coverage with a knowledgeable guest next week, especially regarding the still-missing General McCaslin. The episode closes as both a warning against credulity and an invitation to scrutinize the spectacle of modern crime, politics, and conspiracy.

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For further listening:

• Next week’s episode will continue the “missing scientists” thread, including updates on General McCaslin and the potential foreign op angle.
• Bonus content covering congressional resignations (Swalwell, Gonzalez) and Bilderberg meeting is available on Patreon.

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Summary by PodcastGPT. All attributions, timestamps, tone, and language are from the original episode.

Transcript

[Julian Dorey]

So good, so good, so good.

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[Julian Dorey]

But the other people, you know, they got the call. They got the call from our friend Liam Neeson.

[Joey Deef]

They were like, listen.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

I said, I have a particular set of skills, skills that make me a danger to people. Like, you sound Irish. If you.

[Julian Dorey]

Well, he was kind of. He was. He was still. There's a little bit of the Irish accent on that call. He let it slip he was supposed to play an American, but he's like,

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

you know, if you give this up now, I'll let you go and that'll be the end of it. If not, I will find you and I will kill you.

[Julian Dorey]

Like, so if you wonder, maybe this call goes to other people, Los Alamos, who were like, yeah, see, no evil here. No evil. Listen, bro, yeah, I was just smoking weed out back on my break. I didn't see anything about that nuclear bomb being brought in with a blue alien. I. You don't even have to do the Men in Black thing on me. Like, we're good, fam. I ain't gonna say. And, you know, then they get a dead bird in their mail as a reminder, and they're like, look around, all scared. Someone fucking pictures them in the. In the unmarked car over there and points at them and then drives away really slowly. And they shake and go inside. And that person then reports back, like, yeah, now he's scared shitless. We're good. But maybe Cassius, maybe again, pure Spec Pierce back. Maybe she was like, this is wrong. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Julian Dory podcast. I am Julian Dorey.

[Joey Deef]

And I'm Joey Deef. How you done?

[Julian Dorey]

How you doing? Well, the world is burning, people are dying, and scientists are missing. But all is well, Joey Deef. All is well. All is wonderful, right? Yep. And there's gonna be a lot of pure spec today. Like, that was the theme of our little meetup for the last half hour. Discussing this before we went on. Yeah. So, yes, we are going to be discussing the now up to 11 missing scientists. And you'll see why I'm putting scientists in air quotes as I explain that we're going to be going through that whole thing today. I also have a great guest coming in next week where we will turn the episode around right away who has been knee deep in this story for a long time and really knows what they're talking about. So stay tuned for that. But yeah, there was also, by the way, deep a little. They called it a crisis meeting last week that went very under the radar in Washington, D.C. i don't even remember the name of the hotel, but it was our friends. Def. It was our friends at Bilderberg. I know you're like a longtime associate of them. Used to deliver pizzas over there, right?

[Joey Deef]

They put me through college.

[Julian Dorey]

That's right. That's right. And he still has college debt, so joke's on him. But anyway, so yeah, that kind of happened without anyone talking about it. And there was a dude, we'll give him a shout out later who was there covering it and presumably the only person covering it. But he got some really, really good information as far as who was there and what they were talking about. So we will get to that. There was also some resignations this week. You had Eric Swalwell step aside and then Gonzalez from the Republican side step aside. A Democrat and Republican respectively, for different types of degrees of allegations, but allegations involving sexual misconduct. And there were just. There's a lot of interesting, how do I put this saving face going on there from Washington D.C. but what the fuck else is new? Sounds about right. Sounds about right. So we will talk about all that. So missing scientists coming in a few minutes. But before then, last week in episode 408, we talked about Amanda Ungaro as it related to the Melania Trump speech where she came out and discussed the Epstein case out of nowhere and said nobody knew nothing or anybody or anything worry about it. By the way, I'm rooting for all the victims. Amanda Ungaro is the ex wife of Palo Zam Poli. I'm just gonna give a little bit of a, of a rewind here for people that didn't see the previous episode. Palo Zan Poli, very well known modeling agent who's been involved at the highest levels of the modeling industry for decades. He is an Italian immigrant to America and someone who Trump has named a special envoy to. Like the fucking world or some shit. Like some weird title in this administration that didn't previously exist. More on that in a minute. But he's also someone who had a very under the radar title for an under the radar country as well, which I def. I don't understand how all these conflicts of interest that Literally don't just involve people criminally or allegations, but also involve, like, other countries and stuff. I don't know how the club can get away with this, except for the fact that they've been getting away with it my entire fucking life.

[Joey Deef]

You're thinking too much. Shut up. It's just biz.

[Julian Dorey]

It's just biz, right? That's right. It is just biz. At the end of the day, it's just biz. Pure biz.

[Joey Deef]

Yep.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

Okay.

[Julian Dorey]

Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. So Amanda Ungaro, we recorded that episode, like Friday evening. We put it out Saturday. On Saturday, shout out to my guy Dan Deluca, for pointing this out. On Saturday, all of the tweets that we had discussed that Amanda Ungaro had written in the day leading up to, and then I believe the same day as well, where Melania gave the speech, they were deleted. And then I watched on Sunday, Monday. Ish. I wish I screenshot if I might scratch shotted them. I should have, but I watched Amanda continue to tweet after she had deleted those tweets. And now I went in today and she's deleted those tweets. She's almost like sending out say two to four tweets at a time, deleting them and sending out two to four more. And they're all veiled threats. And she is presumably tweeting from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, because she was deported. And we explained last week why she was deported. She, I believe, was now married to or was in a relationship. I saw some reports on that, but it's a little hazy with this Brazilian doctor who was operating a clinic in America illegally because he was not a registered doctor in America. And so he was arrested for fraud. And her as the businessman Amanda is the business manager of the office, was also arrested for fraud. And that then triggered Paolo Zampoli calling someone senior at ICE and saying, hey, my ex wife, mother of my child just got arrested for fraud. Maybe go take a look at this. You can deport her. To which I should have asked this question last week, and I did not. What? When someone is charged with a felony in the United States, isn't it normal for them to stand trial first and pay for their crimes before getting deported?

[Joey Deef]

Well, do they. Do they get those same rights a citizen does?

[Julian Dorey]

I'll put it this way. Let me go to a more extreme example, because this is just, you know, basic Fraud, It's. It's biz. Right.

[Joey Deef]

I also have no clue about it.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, yeah. Listen, we're not lawyers in case that wasn't painfully obvious to everyone out there, but, like when one. When. When an illegal immigrant. Yeah. Kills someone, they stand trial and they go to US Prison. Yeah. Yeah, I guess you got a point. Right? So it's interesting that someone charged with a. With a high level white collar crime. It's fraud, it's a felony. Would just. Yeah. You know, it would just be like, okay, we'll just deport her. And now she's free, living in Rio de Janeiro, and again, you know, innocent until proven guilty. We don't. It was unclear through the reporting what Amanda actually did know about the fraud. Meaning did she actually know that the doctor in question was not registered in the United States? Even if she's married to the guy? It's possible that she didn't know that. Right. It's.

[Joey Deef]

It sounds like something of a sweetheart

[Julian Dorey]

deal, if I may. A little bit.

[Joey Deef]

Yes.

[Julian Dorey]

Yes. She's. She has other talents, for sure.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

But Amanda was threatening Melania Trump because this is someone who was. Amanda was first brought to America in, I believe, 2000 aboard Jeffrey Epstein's plane, and she was represented directly by Jean Luc Brunel, the French modeling agent, sex trafficking partner, European division. Yep. For Jeffrey Epstein. You know, you got to make. Obviously these people are the worst people ever, but sometimes you got to make light of the real darkness. But anyway.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

So she is another one who was, in my opinion, just looking at it, one plus one equals two, obviously in some way. Trafficked, I believe. Was she born in 1984? Can we check that? Because if she came here in 2000, that means she was 16 when she came here. So trafficked here, underage, to be a model. Certainly a beautiful woman. At the time, she was not a woman. She was still a girl. And this seems to be a common pattern.

[Joey Deef]

1984.

[Julian Dorey]

Yes. So she was 16. And the reason the timeline is important is because that is in the same area as to when Melania came here and met Trump. The 98, 99 area. Amanda comes here in 2000. So when Amanda says, I was. I know where all the bodies are buried. I don't know if that was the exact phrasing she used, but things like that, there's certainly reason to believe she was running in the same area and circles at the same time with the same people and would at least know a thing or two. Now Amanda ends up marrying Paolo, who, by the way, deep. I Think at this point, it seems to almost be like it was a job requirement for the Trump administration that you are linked to Jeffrey Epstein and that you have previously done business with Jeffrey Epstein. Because Palo Zampoli not only funneled. We'll talk about one specific example in a minute. But not only funneled models from his agency to Jeffrey Epstein, which is. And you know, to me, most likely trafficking. Unless he's the dumbest guy in America and was like, oh, I don't know why they're going over this guy's mansion, you know? But he also tried to buy. I forget. I'm remembering this off the top of my head. I think he and Epstein tried to buy, I want to say, Elite Model Management together. Like they were a part of a partnership that was trying to buy it. Like, what the fuck? You know? Like, this should be something that. On a basic background check. Yeah, I'm right. Thief. Okay. That was what, 040304 when they did that? Something like that. It was in that area.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, I'll find out. It's from the 2019.

[Julian Dorey]

He'll find out. But it is true. They did try to buy. It was Elite Model Management. You would think in a basic background check at the fucking White House, it would be like, oh, this guy tried to buy a business with Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, this guy ran a modeling agency that was attached to Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein. Oh, this guy knows Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, we promised to release the Epstein files. It's probably not a good idea that we have this guy working the administration on an invented role. It was a role that didn't even, you know, this guy's fucking, you know, chewing on garlic and saying, I go around the world and tell everyone what we do with the Trump administration. To who? He's not an envoy to any specific countries. Just. What's the title? Envoy to International Relations or some shit. Don't worry.

[Joey Deef]

It gets worse, but maybe that's why they did it. They're like, listen, he's a. He knows how to play ball.

[Julian Dorey]

That's right.

[Joey Deef]

He knows that we're gonna hold this over him and he's gonna be a good little bitch.

[Julian Dorey]

That's right. What he did also, sadly. We gotta bleep that for you.

[Joey Deef]

We will bleep that.

[Julian Dorey]

Sorry.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah. United States Special Representative for Global Partnerships.

[Julian Dorey]

That sounds like Prestige Worldwide. Okay. That sounds like the Pinta, the gria, the Santa Maria. I'll do you in the back while you're drinking sangria. That's not a real thing. That is like someone sat in the Back office during the transitional period after Trump won for the second administration. And they got a little fucking lit one night, and they're like, yeah, well, fucking Donald wants his guy. The. Yeah, the. The Italian guy. He needs some fucking j. Yeah, the modeling guy. I know, I know, I know, I know. It's fucking crazy. All right, don't give him that special. No, no, no, he can't. All right, how about Special Envoy? Sheila, what do you got Special Envoy to. What was the name of it again?

[Joey Deef]

Special Representative for Global Partners Special.

[Julian Dorey]

Oh, my God. Ding, ding, ding. That's a winner. Let's go. Like, that's how it happens.

[Joey Deef]

I think you're giving them too much credit. I think they were like, hey, Grok,

[Julian Dorey]

give us the name of a administrative position.

[Joey Deef]

That's what it was.

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[Julian Dorey]

So they make this guy that thing. But here's the thing. You know, I don't know anything about opening up a shell company, or should I say a shell role? That would be uncharted territories for me. I never plan on doing it. I don't understand the point unless you have something to hide. But one would think, you know, just reviewing common sense, that if you made such a role, the whole point is to make the person feel important so that they can go to fucking elite dinner parties and say, I'm the special envoy. Or, I'm sorry I should say it correctly, Deep. I am the special envoy for international relations in the Trump administration. So they go out there and they can say something like that and pretend to have A big dick in the administration, when really it's like, okay, you got a title. Sit over there, relax, have a good life, sip some Mai Tais. But no. Dave, can you pull up the tweet from Palo's on Twitter from this past week? So we talked about this on the last episode, when it came, when 408 came out last Saturday. That evening, there was a round of peace talks happening in Iran. There was a huge delegation sent by the US this was mediated by the Pakistanis, who the Israelis had not been able to kill, apparently after, well, some questionable bombings in certain areas. But the Pakistanis mediate a sit down between the leaders of the irgc, their representatives, whose names I will up if I try to pronounce right now. But you know who they are, if you've been following this. And then on the other side, Vice President J.D. vance was sent to negotiate, but brought a delegation that I saw some reports was as large as like, 300 people. I don't know why the you need 300 people in a room. I don't know what 300 people do, except, like. And they don't even speak the same language. Like, it's just strange. But the main people there negotiating a deal were JD Vance, I believe Special Envoy to the Middle east is his title, if I remember correctly. Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner. Reminder. Witkoff and Kushner are the failed negotiators from the previous negotiation where while they were negotiating with Iran, we attacked Iran. Hell, yeah. Interesting, right? So they go in there, they meet for 21 hours. And as Joe Kent also seemed to, this one was more of an implicit prediction rather than his previous. A lot of explicit predictions that have come correct. But the goalposts seemed to move to where now it wasn't just no nuclear weapon. There had to be no enrichment of uranium whatsoever. Which means you gotta take it down below, like the 3.8 or 3.6% to 0, which previously was stated publicly as not a United States position. The position was just no nuclear bomb. So goalpost move. It's very interesting when Vance walked out to do the press conference and Wyckoff and Kushner come out with them. You know, I'm not trying to read into it too much, but, like, Kushner looked happier than a pig and shit. I didn't even watch. Yeah, he, like. He was like, hiding a smile, and it's like, what's your job, dude? You're a volunteer in this administration. You're the president's son in law. You got all kinds of businesses that are conflicts of interest in the Middle East. You're a very pro Israeli guy, fine. But that's a conflict of interest. In this chat, we've already discussed what the British National Security Advisor said about Witkoff and Kushner during the last round of negotiations that he was present for, where he said, yeah, my understanding is they were for Mossad, which is a pretty big accusation right there. But the point being, symbolism being what it is, which is that Israel having an interest in seeing Iran regime change and everything, if the US Negotiators are very sympathetic to that position, at the very least, who's there to make peace? Right? So they're the main people. But deep. We got this tweet up now. This was from Paulo's own Twitter. Paolo apparently can't read a room. I would stay the fuck off the Internet if I were him. But instead, what he decided to do was tweet out. My friends at the New York Times are never accurate, maybe due to the language barrier. But I have to give credit to their photo editors consistently selecting great pictures of me. Their work truly deserves a Pulitzer Prize nomination and recognition at the upcoming White House Correspondence Dinner, which is an effort for him to be funny. And it's not. I don't know, maybe it's the language barrier, Paolo, but either way, this picture of him is walking right off of, I believe, Air Force Two, because it was Vance coming in right next to the fucking Vice President. So this modeling agent, Jeffrey Epstein, buddy, currently embroiled at the middle of a fiasco involving the first lady, which happened before this flight, by the way. And we're going to get to a couple other things here also, as it relates to Epstein. This guy, English is his second language, is being sent next to the Vice President to have any level. I mean, I'm not going to sit here and pretend he was, like, a main negotiator. There's no way he was. But the fact that he's even in the room or that close in proximity, like, what the fuck are we doing, to quote John Donald Trump when we send him? We're not sending our best. Like, you're not sending your best here, pal. This is what we got. This makes the fucking Obama, Randy all look great. And I've been critical of that forever. Even when we had Tre Tre in here, who advised on that, you know, he and I had a nice conversation about that, but, like, I thought that was a terrible deal. Like, this is. This is the same kind of vibes with that. It doesn't look like you're trying to get an outcome there.

[Joey Deef]

It's kind of like how young thug always has an old Italian guy in the studio.

[Julian Dorey]

Exactly. Right.

[Joey Deef]

It's like the same thing. You just got to have one to stay ready.

[Julian Dorey]

You got to have one to stay ready. Yeah. Usually, you know, they know their way around a weapon as well.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

If guns are not available. Because it's a gun free zone or something like that. Exactly. They're always good for having a bat. You know me, I keep a car bat.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah. Very important in the Middle East. Has olive oil. So they can still be. They can maintain themselves while they're there on the ground.

[Julian Dorey]

Absolutely.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Stick a little in your hair as well.

[Joey Deef]

Oh, he.

[Julian Dorey]

I mean, it's a long negotiation. 21 hours. That hair gel. It's running out.

[Joey Deef]

And there's three. There's 298 others alongside you two.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, I know. Sweaty. Not great. But I just find it intellectually offensive at a most basic level. Yeah. That not only is he there, but then they don't have the presence of mind to say to him, you know, paolo, don't Tweet to your 10 followers.

[Joey Deef]

Like, don't just stay off the Internet. All these people, you would think they're all like fucking 16 years old. It's crazy.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah.

[Joey Deef]

It's like they can't help themselves when

[Julian Dorey]

people talk about like Hollywood symbolism or like throwing shit in your face sometimes. Which I think people read into too much sometimes. And then other times I'm like, yeah, sure, that's pretty much what it is.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

It's like this is kind of like that. Absolutely. That's what they're doing. Same shit, you know, And I'm. I'm not an expert on all the fucking signs. I get educated by people. I got to do more work on that by people online. These aren't signs. These are just like in your face, like, hello, look who's here. Nothing you can do about it. Don't worry about it. Nothing to see. What was, what was his name? Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. J. E. Yeah. Nah, hardly knew him. No. Hardly know.

[Joey Deef]

Can't say.

[Julian Dorey]

I do a couple more things on Zampoli just to, you know, kind of finish building the bulletproof case here. That first link right there, you see where it says nyposdif. So this was a good pull from Kazoo Catherine on Twitter. Shout out Kazoo Catherine, who went into, I presume, the Page 6 Archives and found from. Can you just scroll up deep? Cause I. She did a good breakdown here and provided the screenshot data that shows the articles. You can click the picture if you go to this tweet and you can read exactly what she summarized here. But she said Paolo's ampole and ID models appeared in New York Post Page Six multiple times a year, sometimes multiple times a month. Look at what was being published. November 1999, journalist Jared Paul Stern wrote about a write out about a night out with Z Poly. Zampoli introduced him to quote his latest discovery, unquote, a 17 year old girl just arrived from Australia in New York for one week. Stern then described her comp card as depicting a quote, sizzling temptress with arresting cleavage and bedroom eyes, unquote. Zampoli was marketing a 17 year old girl who had been in the country for seven days using sexualized imagery. Other page six clippings from the same period featured photos of young girls under captions like quote, fresh face unquote and descriptions of them being newly discovered and available. Read them today and they look less like gossip column items and more like advertisements. Another clipping from the same era. This is the one that got me. Zampoli spotted a 15 year old 9th grader still attending high school in Miami. The paper described her as about to become, quote, the world's most popular ninth grader, unquote. That's the New York Post describing that. Impal's defense. Not even him. This, this was not hidden. It was in the newspaper repeatedly with their faces. I think this was just a accepted subculture and I don't say that as a endorsement at all. I say that as a disgrace. Yeah, no, it was a dissent. It was a oddly like, oh yeah, 15 year old girl should be a big model. Oh, you brought her into town. Great, let's get her on page six. You know, Jesus, it was right in your face the whole time and most of us missed it. Shout out to the people out there that didn't and have been banging, banging the walls of the Internet since the 1990s telling people there are a few soldiers certainly who have been doing that and they should be commended for sure. But there was also one of the core four Epstein recruiters who is directly tied to Zampoli. It's the second link there. De.

[Joey Deef]

Yep, got it for you.

[Julian Dorey]

All right, so this is also from Kazoo Catherine who obviously is doing some great work digging on this. We always want to give a shout out to the people who help, you know, us be able to get some of this information as well. And that, that is another thing, by the way, there's some stuff And I'll probably talk about this more next week. There's some stuff that I've really dug into in the last week unrelated to anything we're talking about where there are some people that I. And I'm not going to call them out probably I want to think more about this. But just be careful because there are some people who are making things sound like it's incredible research and also putting sourcing in there. And the top line sourcing is correct, the top line information is correct. And then a couple layers down lower, they get some things wrong. And I've tried to be really careful with that in recent weeks because there was something. It wasn't on one of these episodes. There was another thing, I think when we were recording an episode where I said something and then later looked at it more, and it was an example like that where they got. They got the first two things right and then 3 and 4 were like,

[Joey Deef]

yeah, and it's just. It's muddying the water back.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah. And. And we gotta. We gotta really not do that. I've said since the beginning, like, if we have access as a public to all this information and actually want to try to get some results here, we gotta be as responsible as the people that used to not fail in, quote, the mainstream type industries who obviously have failed very clearly. But what they were supposed to be impurity, if that makes sense. Like, we got to get it right from this end. But yeah. So Paolo Zampoli ran Idaho Model Management. One of his models was a member of Epstein's Core 4. Again, this is from Kazoo Catherine. He is what we here is what we know about Adriana Muczynska. She was one of the four women trained by Ghislaine Maxwell to procure underage girls for Epstein. She appears in 163 case documents and 16065 flight log entries. FBI document ETA long number states that she would, quote, contact the girls via cell phone, unquote, to arrange appointments with victims ages 14 to 17. She also removed computer drives from Epstein's Florida mansion before police arrived. In a 2010 civil deposition, she invoked the Fifth Amendment over a hundred times. She received full federal immunity under the 2008 non prosecution agreement negotiated by Alan Dershowitz and was never charged. The 2006 Gawker item that named her identified her as current ID model, not former. She was on Zampoli's books while working inside Epstein's household. Both facts were true at the same time. That's a great find at the end by. By Catherine. So again, how do you not know that? If you're him, you're really close friends with the guy, you gotta know what he's up to. You got your girls on his payroll. They talk. How do you not know that? Last one on Zampoli and I need to highlight these are allegations what we are about to see. This is also from Kazoo Catherine putting this together, but Victoria Drake alleged and this was via Billy Bush and another journalist who I think is mentioned in here. And I went and checked this as well, Becca Day. So Victoria Drake alleges that Palo San Poly drugged and sexually assaulted her in October 2023 at his diplomatic residence in New York City, as reported by Becca Day on Bill on Billy Bush's show. Victoria alleges she did everything right. She went to the hospital, underwent a rape kit test, confirmed drugs in her system. Her injuries were medically documented and there is a voice note confession. There were also like some texts and emails from friends that, that the reporter Becca Day was able to pull up. Yet the case was dropped suddenly and out of nowhere, possibly because this building is officially registered as a diplomatic residence with the US Department of State. The photo shows the exact warning sign on the front door of the property where the alleged assault occurred. So really important to know if you work at the U.S. department of State, you're allowed to rape. Yeah.

[Todd Blanche]

What?

[Julian Dorey]

Like apparently that's like a thing which it's not. I, I, I don't know where that's fucking coming from. It's not. But that's supposedly used as the COVID I want to go to the reply tweet though. This had amazing, amazing information and this is what I alluded to earlier about Paolo Zampoli because his ties are deeper than modeling agent next to Epstein and now some weird special envoy to whatever the for the US There was a time in the middle there where he also did some work for another country. Paolo Zampoli did not have diplomatic immunity in October 2023 at the exact time of the alleged assault. After checking official UN Diplomatic roles and blue books. Zampoli is a naturalized US citizen born in Milan, Italy. He held a special ambassador role for Dominica until 2023. Okay, Dominica is an island in the Caribbean approximately 310 miles from Epstein Island. On July 6, 2023, Filbert Aaron presented credentials at Dominica's new perm as Dominica's new permanent representative, which is three months before this alleged rape. Zampoli has not appeared on Dominica's U. N. Diplomatic roles or listings since then. His current role as U.S. special Envoy for Global Partnerships does not grant diplomatic immunity as the United States is not hosting him as a foreign diplomat. Also, he's a foreign diplomat of a foreign country. So he wasn't even working for the US at that time. How does he get. How does he get the authority to not have crimes accused against him because he was in a US fucking State Department? Like the fuck are we doing? Yeah, I don't know. Doesn't make sense. And I went and dug on this. Palazzan Poly was appointed to the United Nations Ambassador for Oceans and the Seas for the Commonwealth of Dominica in October 2013. So apparently, if you are a high level modeling agent or if you are Jeffrey Epstein's chief sex trafficker like Ellen Maxwell, it makes you a distinguished expert on the oceans. I remind you, these two projects. Projects. When he's named Ambassador for the oceans and Seas for Dominica, whatever that means, that comes up around the same time as Ghislaine Maxwell creating the Terramar project, which talked about the 65% of oceans that are completely under no jurisdiction of any fucking country and using some NWO shit to create something, I don't know, that's pure spec. Pure spec in its purest species form. Just kind of interesting to me. But he has held the diplomatic position for Dominica since 2013, and we just read that it probably ended in 2023, and he certainly could not hold that today as an official United States representative in this government. But it's just, it's just fascinating, the tentacles where these people go. So again, that's who failed in the Iranian. Or among. I'm sorry, among the people who were a part of the failure in the Iranian delegation, you know, whatever. Because by the way, Beef didn't say this, but there's reports that Vance was on the phone with Netanyahu during that negotiation, meaning it's being influenced by him. And then there are reports, and I do want to say this, this was coming from the Iranian side. So it could be total lies. Could be that Witkoff and Kushner were on the phone with Netanyahu a lot throughout negotiations. Do with that what you will from the Iranian IRGC side. These are certainly liars in their own right, so that needs to be taken with grain of salt. But there were more credible reports that Vance at least spoke with him once. He should not be speaking with him at all. This is a United States issue in that way. Also, Israel has already said they're not sending any ground troops onto the ground, any rounds. So as far as I'm concerned, as our client state, they have no say in the matter whatsoever. And also, by the way, as we talk here today, deep we're talking on Friday evening, this morning, Donald Trump tweeted out that a ceasefire has been agreed to in Lebanon for the next 10 days. And he, I don't know if you have it, there was a true social on it, but he said, yeah, I actually have the link right there under Trump update right there. So he also like called out Israel, where he said, no excuses enough or enough is enough. He goes, The USA will get all nuclear dust created by our great B2 bombers. This is Donald Trump on true social this morning. No money will exchange hands in any way, shape or form. This deal is in no way subject to Lebanon either. But the USA will separately work with Lebanon and deal with the Hezbollah situation in an appropriate matter. Israel will not be bombing Lebanon any longer. They are prohibited, all caps from doing so by the usa. Enough is enough. Thank you. Which I appreciate a tweet like that. The problem is there was already one drone attack that left someone dead in the hours since then in Lebanon. That, that came from Israel. It's not a full rocket bombing or something like that, but it's certainly not a great start. And they have a track record, even throughout eight week war of whenever Donald Trump sets some kind of line in the sand, they go, yeah, go yourself. So I'm gonna be monitoring that. I'm rooting for this ceasefire. We'll see if it's already up by tomorrow when this goes out. Yeah, certainly. You know what's been happening in Lebanon, that, that there's just no excuse for what's going on there. I went on John Kiriaku's show yesterday and we talked a bunch about that. And it's like, this is no different than, you know, insert tyrannical land grab here. It's, it is the same exact thing. And that, that needs to be said. All right, so, Paolo Zanpoli, we got your, we got our eyes on you. We'll keep our eyes on you. Real quick, right before I get to the missing scientists, Todd Blanche, acting Attorney General, who just tries to gaslight everyone, very confidently talked about this. A couple weeks ago, he went on Stephen Miller's wife's podcast.

[Joey Deef]

Nice.

[Julian Dorey]

There's just, there's. When are you going on?

[Joey Deef]

Are you, Are you.

[Julian Dorey]

I'd rather die. I'd rather die of cancer of the

[Joey Deef]

s. Would you, would you rather go on her podcast or have clavicular in

[Julian Dorey]

here as a guest? Oh, God.

[Joey Deef]

Oh, dude. I just broke his brain, folks. I could just see it in his eyes. We could think on that one. You could answer.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, I gotta get back. I gotta get back to you on that one. Play, play the first one that says lies. All right, so this is. I, you know, she pressed him a little bit right here. It seems like it was a bit of an act, but. Yeah. Do they have credit where it's due? Here we go. Do you think the investigators covered it up? Given how many victims there are, surely. I mean, there should be more prosecutions and more charges than there are.

[Todd Blanche]

Well, look, the Epstein files are available for everybody to see, so it's not. So do I think there was a cover up? No, I don't. But it's not just up to me. Everybody that's watching this, everybody, that Epstein. The Epstein Transparency act has now allowed us to release the entire Epstein.

[Julian Dorey]

The entire thing. There's still 3 million held back, though not all of them are public.

[Todd Blanche]

No, they're all public. That's. That's not true.

[Julian Dorey]

That's not true. Yeah, yeah. Hold on. Let me just look you in the eyes and lie to your face. Let's go to the next one where he says he doesn't know what a client list is. I love this. The. The.

[Joey Deef]

The.

[Julian Dorey]

The ninja dance of what client list? What is a client list? I don't know what. You say the word client when you say that word.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

What.

[Julian Dorey]

What do you mean? What does that mean? Okay, let it rip. Does a client list exist? Does an Epstein client list exist and is the government in possession of it?

[Todd Blanche]

No. I mean, listen. Everything. I can ask you the same question, right? Because everything's been released. So there's There. There's what's commonly referred to as the client list. If I were speculating, that has been released for years and years and years.

[Joey Deef]

Years.

[Todd Blanche]

It was basically address book.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

He.

[Todd Blanche]

There was a list of masseuses. It's not a client list. Obviously. Those are. A lot of those women were. Were actually victims. Overhead that. That exists. But I don't. Even. To be honest with you, I don't know what a client list is. And I'm not trying to be naive, but what. What. What would a client list consist of? I mean, a list of Mr. Epstein's. The people he was supposedly blackmailing, is it people that were his business clients, his personal clients? But I have not.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay. Yeah. I don't really have anything else to add there. I just want to say Todd Blanche is one. Take this opportunity to say Todd Blanche is A record label staff and is a crew and if you're down with Todd Blanche to you too. But I mean I see it, I buy it. It's. It is ridiculous. So let's, let's get to the hand wringing story that Deep and I have been talking about today, which by the way, Deep came in clutch, did something a little different. Usually when we do this show, people like a part of my job is like I'm looking through all week period before we ever even did this kind of show. So like it's all floating around in there and we just let it rip. Yeah, we let it rip on all the episodes. Definite meet right before we do this and just get the links organized so that we could do that quickly. And then we roll on camera and that's it with this missing Scientist one. We wanted to actually really discuss some patterns here. Play a lot of devil's advocate, which is important to do because this is not a straightforward story. First of all, spoiler alert. Not all 11 are scientists. And it's weird. It's very, very weird. And there's a there there, but it's still in the air what that is. So as of I believe yesterday, there is now an 11th scientist linked to this string of cases of either disappeared and still not found, slash dead slash murdered again scientists. And to be clear, this is not all from a two week period or something like that. This is from a 2022 to 2026 period. These are spread out which right away says it also creates at least the probability of there being some just pure coincidence does increase when you spread out the time length on that. If you put together like a. Before you came in here is awesome. Like a basic review of just the basic facts across each thing. So I want to have that for you and me up here just to refer to and we'll kind of go through that. But I want to start by categorizing the missing scientists. So one guy was a cancer researcher. I'm going to talk about him in a minute at Novartis. He is, he is to me. Spoiler alert. I'm gonna rule him out. As I, I shouldn't say rule him out. I'm gonna cast extremely strong doubts on his ties to any of these other people or this overall casing. And I'll explain that more in a minute. Next, you have three different people that worked at Los Alamos and the Kansas City Nuclear Laboratory, I forget the official name for it, that were not scientists, but they had access to things. Interesting. Then you have the latest Dead scientist who was a real scientist, who was actually, I believe, technically the first dead of anyone on this list. She just got reported on yesterday. And this is Amy Eskridge, who was the CEO of her own company in Huntsville, Alabama, which is where NASA has some headquarters and works on some interesting rocket propulsion stuff and anti gravity and shit like that. So you got cancer scientists, Amy Eskridge, the three people that aren't scientists but work at very important places. Then you have the MIT professor who was working on like plasma mechanics, crazy physics and was a genius respected professor and physicist at MIT who was gunned down in December reportedly by the same guy who two days before killed nine college or killed two college students and injured nine in a mass shooting at Brown University. I'm gonna discuss that more as well. And then you have five people who do different things that are in some way tied to NASA's JPL, which, what

[Joey Deef]

is it that Jeff, is a jet propulsion.

[Julian Dorey]

Yes, jet propulsion laboratory.

[Joey Deef]

Yep.

[Julian Dorey]

One of whom is the guy who made this case a thing. I believe he was the ninth reported scientist that then it got put together as a story which is General McCaskill. Is that how you say it?

[Joey Deef]

McCaslin.

[Julian Dorey]

McCaslin. I'm sorry. So very interesting we're going to discuss him. He disappeared on Friday, February 27, in the hours before the Iran war. That might be nothing. It was interesting to me. We'll get there. I told you I would start with the Novartis cancer researcher though, because this is the one that just doesn't make sense to me as being interrelated. First of all, he's not working on anything nuclear. He's not working on anything involving physics. Obviously he was a pretty high level cancer researcher at Novartis. So he's working on something very important. Also something that people speculate out there, I believe correctly, that perhaps certain cures or potential things that could be funded to be a cure are being hidden because biotech and big pharma makes a lot of money on drugs that don't necessarily save people. But if you look at this guy, his name Jason Thomas, he disappeared on December 12, 2025, I believe. I'll get to that in a minute. On his LinkedIn, it says lead and work alongside an integrated team experienced in biochemical, biophysical techniques, chemical synthesis and mass spectro. Mass spectrometry that bridges the gap between chemical concept and biological execution. Now there's a lot of big words there and word salad stuff, but again, it was all related to cancer research. Now outside of this being an entirely different field than anyone else here. The backstory of Jason Thomas's disappearance is also extremely important for context. A month before he disappeared, Jason Thomas, who is a married guy with no kids, he and his wife have five dogs. He was an only child, which I can relate to, whose mother was sick a month before and died on hospice. An hour after his mom died, he and his dad were making funeral arrangements and his dad had a heart attack, keeled over and died in his arms. He was extremely, extremely depressed. He and his wife go out on December 12. They come with friends, they come back late. He had been really struggling and they had at least had like a decent time. When they got home, she went up to the bedroom and around. I want to say it was like 11:45, 11:50pm she, she realized that he wasn't in there with her. So she walked outside and he was at. She, she had heard a slam on the mailbox and he was at the mailbox, made eye contact. She went back inside a half hour later, like she fell asleep for a second, woke up and realized he still wasn't there and the lights were left on. She went outside, didn't see him, and then within a few hours was like, okay. He didn't come home. His body was later believed to be recovered in March 2026. He had left like his Apple watch, I want to say, in the mailbox or something like that. He left everything behind. I, to me, I would say this, this is probably some sort of suicide. He was very, very depressed and I don't. And they recovered his body. He's not missing. They did recover his body here and I, I don't see why he would have been killed. If there are people out there who have more information on the very specifics of what he was working on, please share. There. There was one more thing here that is not talked about as far as I can see on this case. It's a really anecdotal thing that I think about a lot and I actually called my guy who's going to be at the middle of this story about this, but about eight years ago, a friend of mine, really good dude, really smart guy who worked high up in, in pharma, which you know, you don't brag about these days, but really, really solid dude. I remember him telling me, I'm not going to say what company, but he was working at this major company, he had an extremely high level job and he was telling me about this cancer therapy specifically for stage four about to die patients that he was Funding basically, like through his job at the company, basically. I think the way he put it was like, for the good of humankind, because it's not for the good of my job. It's just the right thing to do. And reason being because it was not only not making them any money at the time, they were hemorrhaging money on it. But it was called CAR T therapy, essentially what it involved. And it's back in 2017, 2018. So think about what it could be. Now, what it involved is they would remove the T cells, the white blood cells from a patient, take it outside the body, genetically re engineer it to be able to fight just cancer cells, reinsert it back into their body, the new immunotherapy material. And at the. I believe what he said at the time was like, we saw an 80. They were seeing internal numbers that were like, 85% cure, which is crazy. And I remember, I'll never forget where I was when I was talking with him about this. I remember saying to him, like, so you're saying that for the cancers you're testing, this could potentially be somewhat close to a cure. And he's like, I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying it's really fucking interesting. And I'm gonna keep losing money on it because it's just for the good. You wonder when you see a guy like this disappeared. Even if it's relate not related to these other scientists. You wonder if it wasn't, he was depressed just about his parents or whatever. It's also like, maybe they around and found something. They're like, no, no, no, no. We don't. We don't share that. That doesn't work. Same reason why they don't. They want to block all these. On a lower level, this is a lesser example, but they want to block all these psychedelics and stuff because it's not a subscription model like ssris, which just dim you over time. So that I just want to give that side context. But in the full context of this story of 11 missing people, he does not make sense to me. The second one I want to talk about is the MIT physicist. How do you say this guy's name again? Nuno Loreto.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay. Nuno Loreto, can you pull up. Let. Just. Let's stick with the basic here. Can you pull up the Brown 2025 Brown Shooting Wikipedia page? And these. This is the government story. That's why we're going straight to Wikipedia on this. So on December 13, 2025, mass shooting cure at Brown University in Providence, Rhode island, during the second day of final examination week for the fall semester. The shooter, Claudio Manuel Neves Valente, entered the Barris and Holly building and killed two students and wounded nine other students who were attending a review session and then fled the scene before police arrived. Two days later, on December 15, Nuno Larero, an MIT physics professor and former classmate of Valente, was fatally shot at his home in Brookline, Massachusetts during a five day manhunt by the FBI and local police. Officials released images and video of the perpetrator whose identity was initially unknown. He was a Portuguese national with the United States Permanent Resident status and former graduate student at Brown University. On December 18, he was found dead of a self inflicted gunshot wound inside a storage unit in New Hampshire. He was found with two guns. Officials said the suicide weapon was the gun used in the Brown University shooting. Law enforcement agencies alleged him to be responsible for the shooting. If you go down on the page deep, go down to the aftermath, like the. So, no, below that. The investigation. What's discussed in here, I don't need to read the whole thing, but they also recovered videos, I believe at the storage unit where he admitted on video to having planned out these shootings for a long time. And. And what the government said is that there was no motive. Yeah, right there. And let me go pure spec for a minute.

[Joey Deef]

Hit it.

[Julian Dorey]

Let's throw on the tin foil. Hit it. I don't see. He was a classmate of this very prominent MIT physicist who was working on plasma mechanics and high level physicist shit. So you can.

[Joey Deef]

Little animosity.

[Julian Dorey]

You can. Yeah, it could be that, but you can tie it back. There's some strands of ties of similar things that are potentially world changing being worked on.

[Joey Deef]

Got you.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay. That you can at least say maybe. Maybe there's something with these other guys who are disappeared for this guy. Unlike the cancer researcher, Jason.

[Joey Deef]

But

[Julian Dorey]

you wonder. No motive. Admits on video, cleans it up, goes to a storage unit, kills himself. Government gets to say, case closed, we don't talk about it again. My mind goes a little MK Ultra on that. It's possible, probable, no possible. Pure spec.

[Joey Deef]

Pure spec, Okay. I like how it put in here. Like during the interviews, Brown, Valente was often unhappy and even angry, complaining that classes were too easy and that the food on Brown's campus was subpar.

[Julian Dorey]

During what interviews?

[Joey Deef]

I'm reading right here. A physics professor. Oh, that's how the physics professor described.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay, all right. Yeah, yeah. So how someone remembers them, but food was subpar.

[Joey Deef]

I am going to let Them know

[Julian Dorey]

I brought this one up. Secondly, because it's also a little bit removed and there's at least we know the killer, we know what's going on. So I kind of mark this one as like very light yellow. Yeah, maybe, maybe not. I basically ish a lot of ways lean towards ruling out the Jason, the cancer researcher. This one I'm in that direction, just not as strong because this guy was a serious, serious dude. And it's weird how like, oh yeah, case closed, nothing to see here. Yeah, dart terrible mass shooter. Went a little crazy. You know, his old, old professors were even talking about it. What are you gonna do? You know? Could have got MK'd. Yeah, that was, that was interesting. The next three that I want to talk about are people who are at least as reported in no way scientists. Okay, so there is. How do you say her name? Melissa Cassius. Melissa was a 53 year old executive assistant at Los Alamos. All right. This is not someone that was printing the nuclear codes or anything like that. Nope. Who she was an executive assistant to is completely unreported. Yep. Your ideas as good as mine. But just to review for people out there, things that happen at Los Alamos, which is the famous lab tied to nuclear lore we've talked about in many contexts on this show. If you've seen Oppenheimer, well, there you go. But at Los Alamos, they have things including nuclear weapons and stockpile stewardship, nuclear non proliferation and counter terrorism roles. Exercises high performance computing and simulation, nuclear physics and accelerator science, high magnetic field research, astrophysics and fusion research, material science, stockpile, cybersecurity, energy and climate research, space exploration and geophysics. I mean the list goes. You get the point. A lot of important stuff here. A lot of extremely highly classified stuff that goes beyond just nuclear weapons and goes into what's up there and everything. So Cassius disappears sometime around midday. When did she disappear? This was 20.

[Joey Deef]

It was after lunch with.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, but 2025.

[Joey Deef]

We'll find 25.

[Julian Dorey]

2025. So what month? They forget that. But basically she doesn't go to work. Requests to work remotely that day. This is June 2025. Gets lunch with her daughter. If she's 53, presumably the daughter's out. I don't know this for a fact, but presumably the daughter's out of like grade school and stuff. Like she's not. She's somewhat of an adult, if not a full blown adult. So it's not like it's midday of school where she just had lunch with her daughter. And then after Having lunch with her daughter. She leaves her home with nothing, including no phone. And she had done a factory reset on her phone.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, that's the real head scratcher on this one.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

And she's never been seen again. There's no body. Nope. Now, this could be. This could be a situation where she saw something she wasn't supposed to see. And maybe she wasn't the only one either. But the other people, you know, they got the call. They got the call from our friend Liam Neeson.

[Joey Deef]

They were like, listen.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

He said, I have a particular set of skills, skills that make me a danger to people. Like, you sound Irish. If you.

[Julian Dorey]

Well, he was kind of. He was. He was still. There's a little bit of the Irish accent on that call. He let it slip he was supposed to play an American, but he's like,

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

you know, if you give this up now, I'll let you go and that'll be the end of it. If not, I will find you and I will kill you.

[Julian Dorey]

Like, so if you wonder, maybe this call goes to other people, Los Alamos, who were like, yes. See, no evil here. No evil. Listen, bro, yeah, I was just smoking weed out back on my break. I didn't see anything about that nuclear bomb being brought in with a blue alien. I. You don't even have to do the Men in Black thing on me. Like, we're good, fam. I ain't gonna say. And, you know, then they get a dead bird in their mail as a reminder, and they're like, look around, all scared. Someone pictures them in the. In the unmarked car over there and points at them and then drives away really slowly. And they shake and go inside. And that person then reports back, like, yeah, now you sc. Shit list. We're good. But maybe Cassius, maybe. Again, pure spec.

[Joey Deef]

Pure spec.

[Julian Dorey]

Maybe she was like, this is wrong. Maybe she was a really good person. I don't know anything about her. Maybe she was like, a really good person. Whatever she saw, not only couldn't she unsee, she couldn't not say. And then maybe. Maybe she was going back and forth on it. You know, Liam Neeson's calling her, making these threats. He gives her, like, a second and third call and says, I know that.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

I said that would be the end of it right then, but I'm gonna give you another chance for it to be the end of it. Yeah, this will really be the end of it.

[Julian Dorey]

And maybe it still wasn't the end of it. And so then she's like, you know, they're coming for me.

[Joey Deef]

I got lunch today.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, maybe she. She basically says goodbye to her daughter. Nothing. Says nothing. I don't know. And then maybe she was going to a meeting and they said, all right, if. If we need to talk about this and you can't bring your phone, factory reset your phone because they could. I don't know. I'm really going down the rabbit hole here. I don't fucking know. People I'm guessing, but like the factory resets. Weird. Very factory resets. Really weird. What I wonder is if she did that or if that was done after. Yeah, to clean it up. Someone said, come meet me, we'll take care of this.

[Joey Deef]

Yep.

[Julian Dorey]

Don't bring your phone. Wipe it up. They're tracking you. Just leave it, Leave it behind. She goes somewhere, she gets bagged or killed, whatever it is. They go back and they factory reset her phone. Nobody knows. Nothing. Possible. The next guy who disappeared was 78 year old Steven Garcia. I'm sorry, Anthony. I get the two of them mixed up. Anthony Chavez. So Anthony Chavez worked at Los Alamos and he was retired. He disappears in what, June? Yeah, last June.

[Joey Deef]

Now May.

[Julian Dorey]

Last May. So same time. Same time as. It's same time period as. As Cassius does. His previous work before Los Alamos was at an H Vac company. Which then led people to say he was working on something similar at Los Alamos. Again, it's H Vac. He's not fucking doing the nuclear codes here. But he had defound it. He had a top level clearance. Because I would imagine, you know, there's H Vacs next to the nukes. Maybe next to the aliens. Maybe Danny Sheehan's right. The Nordics are down there. I don't know. Refer to episode 246. Your guess is as good as mine. But like maybe Chavez or not Javas. Yeah, no one is Chavez, sir. Maybe Chavez saw something and then maybe, you know, he's ripping chain smoke his mar barrels. He apparently left his smokes behind. So he's a smoker. And you know, he's like, I gotta

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

tell somebody about this.

[Julian Dorey]

Picks up the phone, he calls his buddy Eddie and he's like, Eddie, you're not gonna believe this. They made a nuke, they put it on Mars. Like, we've been to Mars, bro. I saw the footage. Like Matt. It wasn't just Matt Damon. Like, we have been to Mars and I'm just there fixing the fucking air conditioner. Because it was on 67 and they needed it on 65. The footage is playing. They asked me if I Wanted some of the fucking lunch there. I came over, got the lunch and like, oh, shit. You're not supposed to see that. Don't tell nobody. And I don't know, man. Like, I just keep sitting up at night thinking about this. And like, isn't the. Aren't they talking about maybe bombing Iran right now? Like there's something going on out there, it's all tied together. And meanwhile, you know, Black Cube is listening on the phone, somebody's listening on the phone, CIA somebody. And they're like, ah, it's Eddie.

[Joey Deef]

Eddie's actually, Eddie's working. Eddie's an inside man.

[Julian Dorey]

Eddie's the guy.

[Joey Deef]

He like, you don't even mean to

[Julian Dorey]

tell me they're making nuke with aliens in them?

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, that's what I'm telling you, Eddie.

[Julian Dorey]

You're crazy. Crazy. You crazy, man. So he opens his mouth, maybe says something and then he gets the call.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

Yeah, I have a particular set of skills. And you're.

[Julian Dorey]

And they tell him to go meet. Now he left all his behind at home too, right?

[Joey Deef]

Yeah. And, and we'll, we'll obviously be diving into the rest of them. But like one, the big thing that I just keep feeling like is there's like the alarm gets hit. Yes, the alarm gets hit. And they're like, all right, you know where to go. Leave all your shit. It's very weird, right? You'll see it across the rest of these.

[Julian Dorey]

Basically, by the way, of these 11 total, which includes Jason, the cancer researcher, two are confirmed murdered, four confirmed dead, one with suicide, the others with potential suicide or no foul play. We'll get to that. And five are missing. Yep, this is one of the two at Los Alamos are missing. And then there's a third one from another laboratory in Kansas City. What's that one called? What's the official name of that thief?

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, I got you. That is called the Kansas City National Security Campus.

[Julian Dorey]

And what do they do at the Kansas City National Security campus?

[Joey Deef]

They manufacture 80% of all of the non nuclear components that go into building the military's nuclear weapons.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay, Enter Steven Garcia. That's his name, right?

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay, Steven Garcia did have a top level clearance, right? Yep. And he was on the security side of things, responsible for overseeing all of the, effectively most of the equipment assets.

[Joey Deef]

He was the, his title was property custodian.

[Julian Dorey]

Yes.

[Joey Deef]

But it did give him all of those highest level clearances.

[Julian Dorey]

So just like in night at the museum when Ben Stiller had access to all the fucking, you know, the alive Teddy Roosevelt and shit the dinosaurs that would come back and all these, like, amazing things that he knew about just as the security guy sitting there and chewing gum. This guy could have been the same thing. Again, not a nuclear physicist. He's not reinventing equals MC squared, nothing like that. But if someone were to know or accidentally have access to where, I don't know, the bodies are buried around there, this. He'd be a good candidate. And I want to bring this up. You've heard me talk about the Gideon Spies book before and the first chapter in there, which is a book from the late 90s discussing a lot of, in this case, Israeli espionage and things like that. But this is. I'm going to relate this. This has nothing to do with Israel. This is related to espionage as a whole. A strategy that's very famously discussed in that first chapter that I talked about five or six episodes ago. Of this, these solo episodes is the idea of splitting the difference when it comes to a source. And the context where it's discussed in the first chapter of that book is as it relates to Deef in my favorite hotel in Paris, the Ritz. So the Katja Henri, or not Henri Peter, whatever they called him in the book, it was a fake name. He was trying to procure a source at the Ritz. And the source, the way they explain is the source can't be as low as a janitor because they don't know enough. They don't get access to enough real things. And they're not. They don't understand all the ins and outs and comes and goings of the hotel. Right? But the source also can't be as high as the guy running the whole fucking place, because now you get too close to the fucking sun. You're. You're flying too close to it. You want to get someone in between who has access and can float under the radar. And the guy that they were targeting, and it was a real Katza targeting this guy at the time, back in 1997, was Henri who Henri Paul, who ended up being the driver for Princess Diana where she was killed. And he was killed as well, which was certainly very interesting side story. But he was perfect because he didn't manage the place. He wasn't the janitor, but he was the chauffeur. And he was in charge of getting very VIP people from one place to the other, which meant he knew who was there. He knew when they had to go somewhere, what time that was going to happen, not only how it was going to happen, but he was fucking doing it. When you See, a guy like Stephen Garcia, let's relate that back. He's not a janitor. And janitors have to have some kind of clearance too, because, you know, there's fucking toilets around important stuff sometimes and things like that. Like dead. Seriously. I don't say that as a joke. Like they're clean. You know, they're cleaning hallways where there's actual stuff that they might be able to see. Oh, yeah, but they may not. Something tells me they don't have the janitor mop and the floors of, like, the atomic propulsion system every night. That's probably frowned upon. Yeah. You know, whereas the actual scientists are, you know, the highest level scientists are working on this. They're highly connected, highly educated, know a lot of people. It's messy to try to cultivate a source like that or compromise someone like that. But then in the middle, you got the one of the lead security guys who knows where everything is if you. If you showed him a map. Like, they show that soldier the map in Inglourious Basterds and say, where's the position? Where's position? Hack man? He can point to everything on there because he's not the general, but he gets all the orders and he understands where things are. It's the same potential kind of thing here. So this guy, Steven Garcia, he's another one who's disappeared. We haven't found him. Left. What did he leave his house without?

[Joey Deef]

Stephen Walked out of his house on foot with nothing but a handgun.

[Julian Dorey]

Nothing but a handgun. So again, let's go back to the phones here. Let's work the phones.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

Stephen, we know you know about the new reactor.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

You're gonna tell us where it is.

[Julian Dorey]

Go yourself.

[Joey Deef]

I can't.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

Stephen, I'm not asking. Yeah, we know where your mother lives. Here's her address. Open up your phone.

[Julian Dorey]

They send him a picture of the mom's house. Oh, my God. Yo, that's you. Don't touch my mom, bro.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

And they're like, here's what you're gonna do. You're gonna come meet us. Don't play cowboy. Unarmed.

[Julian Dorey]

He goes, all right, yeah, I'll come meet you. He's like, yo, these.

[Joey Deef]

It's like, I'm going out.

[Julian Dorey]

Up goes out. Never see, never seen again, again. Pure spec. Pure spec. Listen, I gotta. I gotta paint a picture here. We gotta at least try. That one was interesting to me. I code that one yellow. Could be nothing. Could be unrelated. He's not a scientist, but he did know where some bodies were. When did he disappear again?

[Joey Deef]

Stephen? Disappeared back August 2025.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay, so in review, cancer researcher, MIT physicist. They're kind of out on their own separate islands. The three people working at Los Alamos, Kansas City, who are not scientists. And now let's go to the latest one, Amy Eskridge. Amy Eskridge was 34 years old, I believe, and she died in 2022. And the Daily Mail just put this all together and remind me right after this, Steve, I want to come to your timeline of the story coming together too. That was really good. Deep. Put together a great timeline of like how this got into the mainstream of like us all looking at it. But Amy Eskridge did not work for the government. She worked for her own company whose name was Long, and it escapes me right now.

[Joey Deef]

Also known as the Gravity Research Institute.

[Julian Dorey]

Wait, that was the name?

[Joey Deef]

That's like the name. It was called the Exotic Sciences Institute. Also known as.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay, the Gravity Research Institute. Yep. She was working on anti gravity. She was working on the stuff that my friend Jesse Michaels has been obsessed with and has done some great work on. You can think along the lines of some of the Townsend Brown research he's done. You know, said Charlie, Charles Bueller on recently discussed this. It gets to things that defy gravity and you wonder where the technology comes from and if it was emanated from things that are not of this earth that we're in possession of. It gets weird. But it is a real physics concept and something that there's a lot of people who believe and believe they have some evidence with it as well. That we do have evidence and it does exist and we know how to do it. And how we got that is up for argument, but certainly something that would be scientifically earth shattering, no pun intended. So Amy worked on this stuff and she worked down in Huntsville, which means she's working with like when she's running her own company. Deep. You're dealing with the government as clients. Yeah. You're working on a contractual basis. NASA has a famous base there in Huntsville. This is where a lot of the Operation Paperclip guys went. That does a lot of rocket propulsion stuff. There's been some folklore related and that's actually a very. That's a really conservative way of saying it. Some. I said folklore, but like some folklore related to UFOs and UAP from down there. The other one you always hear about with that as it pertains to. To military related places or government related places is not just Area 51, but Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, which is a whole Kind of separate thing. Did you have something?

[Joey Deef]

I just wanted to make note that she is dealing with NASA a lot and what she's doing. They even did pull back in 2020. She was going to be planning to present novel foundational work regarding anti gravity, but she needed approval from NASA.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay, so she also said in 2022. What was the exact quote? Deef.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah. So this was during a podcast. If you stick your neck out in public, at least someone notices if your head gets chopped off. If you stick your neck out in private, they will bury you. They will burn down your house while you're sleeping in your bed, and it won't even make the news. That's why the institute exists. And that was her institute.

[Julian Dorey]

She also had a direct quote. I forget where I put it, where she talked about her life being in danger. Yeah. She said,

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

Damn it.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah. She warned, my life is in date. It's in the headline of a Daily Mail article as a quote, quote, who UFO link scientists who, quote, warned, my life is in danger, unquote. Found dead at 34 becomes 11th mysterious case. And the part of that that they should have been more clear on that was a little bit misleading, is they. It made it sound like she was found dead yesterday. She found that in 2022. And, you know, this is a brilliant woman with a million degrees working on some crazy stuff that is, you know, in the technological race of just the world itself, a country gets to that kind of stuff first. Not only do you not want to tell people, but you are 10 steps ahead of any other country before they even find out they're behind. And her disappearance, this. This is. This is more of a red one for me. This is more like something there. Again, it's four years ago, though, so let's look at that timeline of this story developing. Definitely. And real quick before we do that, I'm gonna hit the head and then we'll. We'll be right back. Okay. All right, we're back. Before we keep going into this deep, I just want to say something. Looking at the time we are, there's no way we're gonna end up getting to Swallowell and some of that stuff today. So what will happen is def. And I'll record that. That'll be bonus content on Patreon and we'll probably cover that next week. And if we don't get to Bilderberg as well, ditto. Will definitely go deeper into that next week. Just don't let me forget that deep. But I just want to put that out there because we knew we were not going to get through the whole missing scientist thing today, but there's still more that we really got to get to. And then we're going to continue to look at this next week with some of the work we've been doing on it and some of the news that'll come out. But Deep, you had something on Amy.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, with Amy and, and again, I guess you could say this about a couple of the others where they'll happen and then they get announced four years, five years later. But with a. With Amy, what was interesting was there was no police report of her self inflicted gunshot, no autopsy and rapid cremation was ordered.

[Julian Dorey]

So those ordered it. The family,

[Joey Deef]

I could keep looking, I couldn't get anything concrete to say.

[Julian Dorey]

Interesting, interesting. So the fact that she's saying. And again, people get paranoid sometimes, but then, and she does off herself and you wonder if that's what it was. The fact that someone like that was working so closely to something so important though, and then what else?

[Joey Deef]

Well, also I just remembered too, the day after she, you know, offs herself, her institute is shut down and the webpage is taken off the Internet.

[Julian Dorey]

Gone like it was never there. Yep. I wonder who else has access to that. Did she had a husband or didn't she? Because that's another thing with a lot of these people. Their spouses were serious people too, in some cases literally working on other areas of science, which is fascinating. But while Deep is looking at that, I said I would talk about the genesis of this story and how it came together because that, that, that's worth considering in that you do have to wonder about distractions for everything. It's unfortunate, but we do. And so deep's timeline that perfectly lays out how this hit the mainstream. February 19, Obama says aliens are real on a podcast. It goes viral globally. February 20, knee deep in the Epstein stuff. A week before the Iran stuff stuff, Donald Trump goes, hey, look at the shiny object. I've directed the Pentagon to release UFO files. We're gonna give you transparency. Trying to get the attention off the fucking story. Which by the way, I don't know if you, if you saw the Pentagon already missed a deadline on that violation law.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Julian Dorey]

Neither here nor there. February 27th, General McCaslin, who we haven't discussed yet, is reported to disappear in the hours before the Iran invasion. He's the wildest one in this whole case, by the way. That's what really sent this thing. Because then shortly after that, in March, the Daily Mail investigation begins. They aggregate Three to four years of these separate cases. Put it into one pattern, and then all. You get all the way to April 15th, when I believe, when the Amy Eskridge story is coming out. So we have 11. Peter Doocy, literally in the White House, asked Caroline Levitt, the press secretary, about it, and she said they're going to look into it. And then Trump is asked about it on the White House lawn lane outside of Marine Chopper 1, wherever the it's called, and says, yeah, we're gonna put an investigation onto it. Which means, Steve, our boy, wanna hunt, wanna have fish, Cash tails up on it, baby.

[Joey Deef]

He's gonna get to the bottom.

[Julian Dorey]

He's gonna get to the bottom of it. When cash is looking, you can cash your check because you already won your bet. And when he's looking, that's the best part. He can look at two places at once. You know, he's a multitasker.

[Joey Deef]

Would he be considered the favorite or the. I guess he would be the favorite when you're betting on these things, since he's, like, on home turf, works for the government, bro. All I'm saying is hammer the underdog.

[Julian Dorey]

Then I hammer. Hammer the. Yeah. So let's see if the investigation turns anything up. But I say this because you do wonder about trying to create another, I have to say this, another potential shiny object for all of us to look at and say, ooh, look at that. You know, to get our mind off the stuff that matters. And then you already see the ties in timing and people, personnel between Epstein and Iran. And then you start thinking about the ties between Epstein nuclear physics and, oh,

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

I don't know, aliens.

[Julian Dorey]

It gets weird, you know, Look, Zorro Ranch is 100 miles from Los Alamos. It's not a next door neighbor or anything, but Jeffrey Epstein was obsessed with antigravity, among many other things. It's a day trip. It's a day trip. Come on, take out the Tahoe.

[Joey Deef]

Well, listen, if we pull out by eight, we're there by lunch.

[Julian Dorey]

We're there by lunch. Come on. That's right. You wonder. You wonder if, like, maybe there will be a tie there. And that is really Pierce back, you know, that's. I don't have any. I don't have any evidence. Let me be very clear on that. I have zero evidence whatsoever.

[Joey Deef]

It's like me with anything I say

[Julian Dorey]

when I walk in here on any given day.

[Joey Deef]

Oh, where'd you hear?

[Julian Dorey]

Oh, I just thought it. But I'm just saying some of the themes at the top level are interesting. And when you look at them all, you're like, are they interrelated? Is this a part of the play that they're putting on for us? And we have to say applause, applause, or do the applause when they say to do the applause? I don't know. But the fact that this got mainlined when it did, and now you have it so mainstream that mainstream media, White House reporters are asking about it and then reposting it on social. And the White House is directly addressing and saying, we're going to investigate. Now congressmen have come out and said, yes, really weird. We got to investigate State. It's another thing to talk about to where people don't talk about the giant satanic pedophile ring that seemed to be operating with complete diplomatic immunity on United States soil and conducting arms deals for a fucking super government of Bilderbergers and Rothschilds and bankers around the world to fund all the wars where we all die and everybody's happy. I don't know. That's just me, though.

[Joey Deef]

But, hey, aliens are real.

[Julian Dorey]

Aliens are real. And, you know, I'm obsessed with the aliens thing. As. As a side note, I am. I certainly believe we're not alone in the universe. I've done a lot of podcasts in the past related to the UFO topic, if you've noticed. I haven't really done one in a long time. The only people I've discussed that with are literal physicists that have been in here. And the reason is I've talked about this publicly before, back in episodes 266 and 267, which were recorded the same day here with James Fox and Jason Sands, when the Jason Sands thing happened. I'm not going to get into the full story, but he was an alleged witness, nice guy. When he came out and was pushed upon James Fox to be put into J, who's a very good friend of mine, brilliant documentarian, to be put in James Fox's latest documentary, the program that came out in December 2024, when it was pushed upon him. And then Jason Sands made claims that were verifiably not true. It's a whole separate story. But verifiably not true. I knew the people that had pushed that upon James, and I can't say who they are. That's off record. But, like, there are people that have pushed other stuff in the past that I viewed as, like, oh, that's interesting, even if it's not, like, true. Like, oh, maybe there's something there and now that puts all that into question. And so I do feel like including people I've had in here related to the government or around the government as it pertains to aliens. Aliens. I do feel like a lot of that is a distraction for something. Meaning they're giving you a real idea. Aliens, they're giving you another real idea. Things in the sky we don't know about that could be related to aliens. Slash weaponry. Slash stuff we don't want people to know about. Another real idea. Yeah, the government works on this. It's compartmentalized. And they're serious physicists like Jacques Vallee and. And how put offs of the world working on this. And they work hand in hand with literal spies and military guys on it. It all potentially true. But by the way, here's all the information about videos we have and witnesses we have and things that happen and it's definitely all true. And I look at that and I go, I don't think so on a lot of them. Doesn't mean the whole thing doesn't exist. Sometimes I wonder if that's the point to d. Let me invent a word here to decredibilize the whole industry so that people go, ah. It's all. Which I don't want to do, but I am very obsessed with what we do know and trying to find something, a scratch on the surface that's like, oh, maybe that's some real information. And so when I see these people, scientists working on. Right, we're going to talk about that in a second. Working on rockets, working on propulsion, working on anti gravity, which we already did just discuss with Amy and you know, people who have access to information that's classified that could be related to things not of this Earth. It does make the story a little more interesting. But again, the timing of them putting it together should be setting off a potential alarm bell. And taken with a grain of salt, given the fact that there's a lot of things that they would like to distract from right now of their own making. They meaning the entire system.

[Joey Deef]

Okay.

[Julian Dorey]

Democrats, Republicans, all of them. That's gotta be said. The last part of this story that we're going to cover this week is the. The basics of the last five who are tied together. And then we are going to go deep next week. Next week on the top of the pyramid here because yeah, I was gonna

[Joey Deef]

say that it's gonna need.

[Julian Dorey]

Sometimes that needs its air. We gotta marinate that. We gotta marinate that. But the last five people I've saved from this list of 11 all have some direct correlation related to JPL, Jet Propulsion Laboratory projects related to NASA. And that is General McCaslin. The very, very decorated Air Force General Michael David Hicks, Frank Maywald, Monica Reza and Carl Grillamar. I want to start with Carl. Carl is an astrophysicist at Caltech who's worked and advised on projects related to jpl. Of all of them he's the related to jpl, but he's been around it. Yep. The story there is weird, but again, you got it. I have him marked yellow and here's why. He was killed. Murdered on his front porch. Yeah. In February 2026. His wife says it is not related to any of this. That doesn't mean that is the case. But she's like absolutely not. It's not related to any of this. But here's what's weird about it. It the 29 year old man whose name Allude escapes me right now. Who killed him? In February, Freddie Snyder was caught by Carl roaming around Carl's yard in December 2025 with a gun. To which I believe it was Carl himself. Correct me in the comments if I have that detail wrong. Somebody called the cops, he was arrested and because the laws, you know, are basically catch and release for fucking everything in California. Thanks Gavin. You know, he's let out of jail and two months later he comes back to Carl's house and this time unfortunately finishes the job again. Is it like an MK Ultra kind of thing? I don't know. But it's fascinating that a guy who happens to be tied to this same thing, these other scientists are dying under weird circumstances or disappearing on or have information on in the same time period, is just killed by a random 29 year old with no motive who's sitting in jail right now awaiting trial. It's interesting, but certainly in, in respect to his family and I, I, I do want to say that we have, we do these stories in an, in an entertaining, educational way. It should go without saying these are all real people. These are families who have lost these people. And that is a very serious thing and I do not want to make light of that at all. So I do think it's important that the wishes of, not the wishes, the, the explanation of the family to believe, to publicly tell people we don't think this is related. That does need to be said. And I hope it's not by the way. It's not gonna bring him back. But I, I hope it's not because it's even more sinister if it is related. But fascinating that in the same time period he's gone down on his porch. No MO of mark him yellow. Michael David Hicks, I believe was the one who caused a death. Was not announced. He died in 2023 and donations were asked to be given to Alcoholics Anomal Anonymous. Yes, sir. Also marked him yellow because while it doesn't give a cause of death, certainly doesn't mention suicide, doesn't mention murder or anything like that, and it does allude to the fact that he had a drinking problem. This is a scientist who worked in the JPL laboratory. And he was working. He was a research scientist, participated in NASA's DART project, an experiment to determine whether it is possible to divert potentially hazardous asteroids from striking Earth. Overlapping with defense systems. Very serious guy. And by the way, Carl, the last guy I mentioned who was murdered on his porch, he was working on finding liquids on. On exoplanets far away. Which if you remember Dr. Kipping, who was in here for episode 358, one of my favorite podcasts I've done ever. Just awesome guy. We'll definitely have him back. He is the head of the. I forget the official name for it, but the. Basically the astronomy lab at Columbia University here in New York. He works on a lot of exoplanet stuff. And there was another scientist in here who's also. I forget which one, but was finding liquids on farm plants. So serious stuff, serious work. Michael David Hicks is no different. And it just went very under the radar. Again, I marked that one yellow because it would appear his death was alcohol related. Now, is he drinking because he knows too much? That's right. Is he drinking because he got the call again? It's just like, man, I gotta numb this.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

I can't do it no more.

[Julian Dorey]

And you know, he gets Liam Nissan on the phone.

[Liam Neeson (Impersonator/Character)]

Michael, we know what you saw. Men of your skills are no match for men of mine.

[Julian Dorey]

Maybe pure respect. Okay, respect, but that's number two from jpl. Then there was Frank Maywall. This is the one. His work focused on building instruments capable of detecting chemical signatures, including water, organic molecules, and other indicators scientists use to assess whether environments beyond Earth could support life. Meaning talking about some of those exoplanets and stuff like that. He died in July 2024 at age 61. There was even less public acknowledgment of his passing. He was a longtime co worker with Michael David Hicks, who we just mentioned at jpl. And no cause of death is made public. Another one. You mark that yellow like this is. That's interesting. Working on serious stuff. He's 61. He's not 31. Yeah. You know, people at 61, they get cancer, it could be nothing, you know, same time period. Worked with another guy who they didn't say much about his passing. And there's another guy working on projects very related to that who's gunned down on his porch without a motive. Interesting. Now we get to where it starts to get red hot, though. And these are the last two that I saved. First you got Monica Raza. Monica Raza. Where do I have her? On here. She was JPL's director of the Materials Processing Group and she disappeared. She disappeared just four days before Cassias did. Or was it. Was it Anthony? Which one? Because you have both on there. She disappeared four days before one of the other Los Alamos people did. And what's weird about her, she went hiking with her friends. You know, moral of the story, don't go for long walks alone without your phone. Don't go hiking. Just don't do it. Stay home.

[Joey Deef]

Just stay home.

[Julian Dorey]

Stay home, stay home, watch tv, you know, waste away your life at home. Don't go hiking. But she's 30ft behind her friend. She was a very experienced hiker. Friend was a very experienced hiker. Friend sees her, smiles, they both wave. And then the next time the friend looks back, she's not there. She's never been found. Gone. She was working on projects in the early 2000s that were overseen from an intelligence perspective by Major General William Neil McCaslin, who through air Force Research Initiatives, he led the Air Force Research Laboratory and oversaw groups funding materials research relevant to JPL projects, particularly, as I said, in the early 2000s, which gives him some direct overlap, if not face to face, but through similar materials with a very high level scientist like Monica disappear. We don't know where she is now, McCaslin. And that's where we're going to close today. McCaslin, as I said, disappears on February 27th.

[Joey Deef]

11 days.

[Julian Dorey]

11 days. What?

[Joey Deef]

11 days after Carl Gorillamar.

[Julian Dorey]

Oh, after Carl's killed. So McCasland is 68 at this point. Point he's retired. This is a guy. We're really going to get into his story next week. But you want to talk about a Forrest Gump of not just the US Air Force, not just the scientific community, but of things related to the things that are unseen of this earth potentially, and things that certainly involve rockets and nukes and stuff like that, this is your guy. Yeah. And he looks the part. He looks. He looks like that Delta Force dude from all the memes. Like, same vibes. This was A brilliant man. So his. We will go through this in detail next week. But his wife reports him missing. His wife is also a brilliant woman scientist who's worked on a lot of interesting projects and he. I believe he owned a lot of guns. When she reported him missing, she couldn't tell if any were gone from the safe. But he left without his phone. Without.

[Joey Deef]

Same as Garcia.

[Julian Dorey]

Same as Garcia. Leaves with one handgun.

[Joey Deef]

Yep.

[Julian Dorey]

Nothing later determined that.

[Joey Deef]

Yep.

[Julian Dorey]

And he has not been found. And again he's the tip of the spear here and it's what broke the whole story open because of anyone who's got some serious claims to like what the. This is the dude. So like I said we will go into that next week. But you got to wonder and this is something we'll talk about next week as we get more information. Could there be a foreign operation related to this? Certainly if this is something, you know, people like the highest level scientists possess the most important intelligence information on Earth because it can, can really, no pun intended, it can include things from beyond earth and it needs to be taken very, very seriously when some of them are ending up disappeared or dead. Maybe some of it, you know, maybe some of the disappearance go into a witness protection program. Maybe it's the US doing it. That's possible. But next week we're going to go through the whole McCaslin thing because there's more information that still needs to come on that. But we'll go through that and definite kind of downstream tied that to a lot of these people as well. And we'll go through the foreign op idea because like you know, could be, it could be perspect, pure spec.

[Joey Deef]

Just a matter of who.

[Julian Dorey]

That's the real when, where, why, why exactly. But as I said, we weren't able to get to Swalwell and Bilderberg this week. I'm sorry to blue balls you on Bilderberg in particularly. We'll talk about that next week. We'll also like we're gonna do an extra on Patreon right now where we do discuss these things. So if you want it early, you can join Patreon. Don't feel compelled to do that though. We will get to the Bilderberg thing. You can wait a week. I never want people to feel like you have to join Patreon. That's why we do early releases there. And that's kind of what it is. I want people to be able to have content. I appreciate everyone who supports me me on the public platforms. That is all I need to all the people who do support me on Patreon. That's way above and beyond and I really, really appreciate that as well as YouTube members only. But don't feel like you got to join that. The link is down below if you would like to, but we will get to that next week as well. I'm just, you know, I don't like to do these longer than like 90 ish 95 minutes. It gets a little long in the teeth for you to hear my dumbass talking, so we'll cut it there. But Dave, great work on that. Whatever. That was a brief. Thanks dude before this. I love briefing. I love it. If you haven't subscribed, please subscribe. Other than that, give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. What's up guys? Thanks so much for watching the video. If you have not subscribed, please hit that subscribe button before you leave. As well as leaving a like on the video. It's a huge, huge help. You can join my Patreon via the link in the description and you can also join my Clipping community via the Discord link down below. See you for the next episode.