Steve (2:09)

Come on, biz, dude.

Julian Dorey (2:10)

That's right. That's right. That's just pure spec on that.

Steve (2:13)

Yeah, just pure spec. Pierce back. Pure specific.

Julian Dorey (2:15)

Anyway, I also did promise we were going to go through the Bilderberg thing this week. I'm sorry to blue balls Everyone on that last week we were just ripping on a few other things and ran out of time. So we will do that towards the top. And then, yes, if you saw the latest episode, number 413 with Lauren Conlin, she came in here for three hours and continued to break down the missing scientist case with us. She has been on this, like, since the jump, has been talking to family members around the country who are related to some of these people. Also is doing a great job of separating some faculty from fiction and ruling out some of these people, for lack of a better way of putting it, who probably aren't connected, while also taking seriously things that could be connected. But there is more news hitting all over the place with that and we're going to get to some of that today as well as some of the new claims that are, in my opinion, bullshit as well. So there's gonna be a mix, gonna be a mix on that. So we got that on the schedule and then maybe a couple other things if we get to it. I don't want to promise stuff that we're gonna run out of time on, but you can't. Blue balls deep. Let's start with the. The man of the hour. Dear a friend, Paolo Zampoli. So Paolo Zampoli, who has absolutely no Twitter PR game, decided to take to Twitter this week with the following announcement where he put in the caption, basically what's said in the screenshot there as well. So I will read it and you guys can see it on the screen. Second notice to all media outlets. We confirmed that legal actions. Should I read this in his accent? Thief.

Steve (3:46)

Now Read it, read it, read it.

Julian Dorey (3:49)

Yeah, okay. Yeah. We confirmed that legal actions are currently underway across multiple jurisdictions, including the United States, Italy and Brazil. Our legal team is actively identifying and pursuing all individuals, entities and accounts involved in the dissemination of false, misleading or defamatory content. Any media outlet or individual that publishes, supports or amplifies such content will be included in a class action lawsuit and held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. As I said, this is targeting thousands of people and organizations. We are just potentially, potentially one of them. So what Def and I decided to do was just go check. As a quick bullet rehash from the last two episodes when we've been focusing on our friend Paolo. Yeah, all of the claims that were made as well as the things, the commentary we had around it, anywhere where we said pure spec. Hashtag pure spec, which means pure speculation,

Steve (4:44)

which, that, that, that, that's immunity. As soon as you hear pure spec

Julian Dorey (4:49)

yeah, just saying it is immunity, just by the way, Thief. I didn't even. We didn't check this before, but I'm just thinking of this. Isn't there some kind of law related to public figures being people employed in the public sphere, like in the government being fully on the table as. What's the term? I'm like, there's like a legal term I'm thinking of right now, but for satire, for fodder, for criticism. It's like parody law, all these things, right? There's. There's laws related to being able to go with that. So to be clear, there's nothing we said that is not fully backed by the Epstein files themselves. Or let me be even more specific, by things surrounding the Epstein files, like journalist posted with his consent, New York Post articles pointed out by Twitter's kazoo Catherine with full receipts. So, hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. Just as a, as a very quick rehash. Cause you guys who have heard the last two episodes have heard this. But for people who are just catching up, here's what we had. Number one, Zampoli linked to Jeffrey Epstein and has previously done business with him. That is backed with quite literal proof. I'm going to get to Paolo's own words on that in a minute, but thief. There was also an email, by the way, of young Jeffrey Epstein discussing Mr. Zampoli years after some of their business arrangements. Just want to make sure I hit this classic. Epstein sent an email on February 15, 2011. Fresh out the pen, as they would say, to Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayam, who sounds.

Steve (6:36)

Who's that?

Julian Dorey (6:37)

Well, what does he do? He's either a prince or a cab driver. Anyway, he says, be careful. Zampoli is trouble. Lots. Jeffrey Epstein is calling you trouble, bro. That's not. It's not a great look. Not a great look. But anyway, he has well documented ties to Jeffrey Epstein when he was in charge of ID models, he being Paolo Zampoli, that is on the public record. The one thing that we said as pure spec, based on all of the litany of evidence surrounding this guy Paolo and his interactions with Epstein, more of which I'm going to cover in a minute, was the idea that he was trafficking models to Epstein. There is certainly a lot of evidence to support that, but he has never been convicted in a court of law and we made very clear that that was speculation on our end. So to the future judge watching this. Your honor, I. I'm sorry you have to lose brain cells listening to me, but I want to be very clear. We made that clear then. We're making that clear now. Mr. Zampoli has never been convicted of any such offense. It's just a lot of smoke around a fire. And we're allowed to comment on that? That's in the public domain anyway.

Steve (7:52)

Your honor, my client is Chinese.

Julian Dorey (7:54)

That's right, throw it away. All right. Okay. Probably didn't help, but okay. So number three, they did try buying Elite Model Management together. More on that that we haven't covered. Coming in a minute from Mr. Zamboli's on the mouth. Anyway, number four, Paolo in I as an ID model, as the head of ID models appeared in page six multiple times a year. Sometimes multiple times a month per again, Kazoo Catherine on X, who brought the receipts? We put that in the last episode. I think we have one up Thief. So we'll have that again right here. But this includes November 1999. Zampoli had journalist Jared Paul Stern write about a night out where Zampoli introduced him to quote his latest discovery, unquote, a 17 year old girl who had just arrived from Australia. Only in New York at that point. There was also a claim in that document referring to a 15 year old or in. In a separate article from the same era where Zampoli spotted a 15 year old 9th grader still attending high school in Miami. The paper described hers and this is the New York Post making this description, not Paolo Zampol as about to become, quote, the world's most popular ninth grader, unquote. These are real things backed by full documents. There is the screenshot. Once again, we love having evidence. If you, if again I said this last week, if you zoom in on the inspirational bar hopping article right there, you can see all these things quoted out. It's. It's really beautiful. That's the great thing about evidence. There was also more Kazoo Catherine content we had cited where it talked about the Core 4 that Epstein had referring to the Core 4 women recruiters that he had were also tied to Zampoli, at the very least, Adriana Muchinska, who in 2006, while being verified as working for Jeffrey Epstein at that time and in a legal capacity, I might add, was on the ID Models payroll at the same time. This is in the public record. Kazoo Catherine also had the EFA number, number, number document and the original article right here. I just. And the original article, love that. That's Great work. Seriously. Shout out Kazoo Catherine on Twitter. You can go follow her over there. So when we're citing that kind of stuff, obviously that's back to research and I really appreciate that. There was also the allegations report which we made very clear. I want to say this was around the 25 minute timestamp last week. We made very, very clear that these are allegations that have not been, as far as I can tell, pursued in crim, where in 2003 there were allegations against Palo Zampoli having had a sexual assault at his hands that he did upon someone else. I forget what her name. It was a decade report and her name was Victoria Drake. Yeah, you got it, Dave. Perfect. So anyway, we also talked about how it was like weird diplomatic immunity claims because something occurred at the Department of State.

Steve (10:53)

Yeah, we got into that, got diplomatic immunity claims, but then his position wouldn't give him diplomatic immunity. He was involved with Dominica at that time. So there was a lot of weird stuff going on. All of which we do have the claims and backing.

Julian Dorey (11:10)

Correct.

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Julian Dorey (11:45)

And there was also through that, the revelation that in addition to all of his duties as one of the world's preeminent modeling agencies, finding talent around the world, apparently including 15 year olds, that is what the New York Post said. So we'll reference that. You know, he also had time to be the ambassador for the oceans and the high seas. Was that what it was called?

Steve (12:09)

For the oceans and the high seas

Julian Dorey (12:11)

for the great nation of Dominica, which you and I had definitely heard of before last week. Give yourself that credit. But he was doing that as far back as October 2013 and by 20th, fall 2023 when those allegations came in, he was allegedly no longer acting in that capacity as of earlier that year, which would question any type of immunity he might have. Again, like, yeah, yeah, it's very immunity, very weird in a place like that. From a. For a crime that is alleged to be what it was, it's certainly very questionable. But then two episodes ago, the reason Palo Zampoli our dear friend, came up is because of his ex wife, Amanda Ungaro, who is in, I believe it's reported, Rio de Janeiro right now, after she was deported before facing trial for alleged felony fraud claims in America at the behest of Paolo Zampoli, who called a senior official at ice. And these are according to many reports online from various outlets. So again, might not be true, but this is what people are reporting. Paolo Zampoli, who is. What's the name of that title again in the, in the organization?

Steve (13:23)

Special representative for global, you know, partnerships.

Julian Dorey (13:28)

Partnerships, right. That's his official designation in the Trump administration because people that Jeffrey Epstein finds to be trouble are just perfect to be hired into our government with our taxpayer dollars. Anyway, so we are going off the allegations of these reports, as we said. But he allegedly called a senior official at ICE and said, listen, you know, my ex, my ex, I don't like her and she is in prison for fraud, that she is not of the green card, the papers. You get her out of country. That's probably what he said. Maybe in the accent, maybe not. I don't know. I don't know. We're gonna find out in a video in a minute. But listen, in the words of the great Selena Gomez, if you want it, come and get it, Paola, we got receipts. We've said what we got to say. And I'm not going to back down. Along with again the thousands of other people who are sitting in the same seat we are right now. We're not going to back down from looking at the evidence and also discussing allegations and saying when things are pure spec. We do a very, very diligent job with that around here. And I know all of our friends in the audience who constantly comment, pure spec are well aware of that. So thank you to you guys for listening very closely when we do that.

Steve (14:43)

I was thinking them.

Julian Dorey (14:44)

Yeah, I, I just.

Steve (14:45)

Spec, dude. It's pure spec, Paolo.

Julian Dorey (14:47)

Right, so Thief. I got a couple videos right there. Zampoli. The first thing is Zampoli himself and he's speaking in Italian. So we're going to go with some of the caption right here. If you go up, I just want to read to people before they hear him talk. This is again from Kazoo Catherine, giving a great write up of the explanation of this interview that he is doing with RAI Report, I guess it's called.

Steve (15:18)

It's Italian tv, Right?

Julian Dorey (15:19)

So Paolo Zampoli told Italian national television, this is from Kazoo Catherine, that he knew Epstein had very, quote, young girls, minors Masseuses, unquote. And I want to make clear he's saying minors. It'd be one thing to say young girls. People say, well, maybe he's talking about 21 year olds. Then he says minors. So he is admitting that he knew Jeffrey Epstein had minors. This is a man I remind you he was involved in some level of at least potential business with. And I knew, I knew he had girls. I knew. But they weren't mine because they weren't even models. They were young girls, minors, masseuses. The models were a cover up for the Epstein. I actually don't know that word. That's a new one for me. There are four admissions. In one statement, he knew Epstein had girls. Not suspected, not heard rumors. Sapievo. He knew. He knew that they were minors. He did not use Donna or Ragazi. He chose Rakazine, the Italian diminutive for young girls. Then clarified with minor the legal term for under 18. The literal legal term, I might add, in Italy, he knew what they were there for. Mazatrachi, we don't. That means masseuses. This is what the exact euphemism in Palm beach police Reports in the 2007 Non Prosecution Agreement in the Maxwell trial said anyone near Epstein's operation knew what massage meant by using the words. And poly confirmed he did too. He described the structure. Le modelo erano un cover up. The models were a cover up. You do not describe something as a cover up unless you understand what is being covered. Where I might. Let me. Let me be fair and make an argument for Palos and poly right here. He may be referring to that legally in. In the past tense. Meaning he knows now. It's a cover up. Now, I think, perspective, respect. I think he knew back then, but in a court of law, I know he can afford a good attorney. They could very easily make that argument. He's. He's referring to in the past. I'm sure he can hire Dershowitz, right? He can afford that. Bill. Yeah. Alan will argue this case all day. He loves these cases. So let's just go down a little bit and get him in his own words so that people can see. I want people to get a feel for how Paolo interacts. Hello. That's him saying what we just described. He was saying there's another video there, deep I have where he talks specifically about the Elite Model management claim when Jeffrey Epstein and. And Paolo in 2004 allegedly made an effort as a part of a partnership which may have included other people. I don't remember that detail. So let's be conservative and say it did. It wasn't just the two of them. Might have been just the two of them, but I don't remember that. So let's be clear. Could be more. But there was at least a partnership group that involved the two of them where they tried to buy Elite model management in 2004. And let's see what he had to say. Are there. I forget. Let's see. Are there subtitles on this? Epstein came to me because he wouldn't be able to buy it on his own because there were requirements for the buyer had to be someone in the industry. It couldn't just be a fund. And he talked to me about it. Then the whole thing fizzled. He didn't buy it and I lost the bid. There you go. All right, that's enough right there. So again, he is confirming that that is a real thing. So we have that. Dave, any final words for Paolo?

Steve (19:29)

Arriva dir.

Julian Dorey (19:34)

All I'll say is vafangula Persona case equamente affato niente di mali con Epstein.

Steve (19:42)

That's some good stuff. All right.

Julian Dorey (19:45)

I just don't. I really got a problem with people who clearly have done stupid things in the past. Okay, let's not even call them criminal. Let's call it be conservative and call it stupid. Stupid associations, bad biz, all these types of things. I have a real problem with those people then finding a way to fail their way upward and upon failing their way upward, getting into positions of elite power, even if it is a prestige, worldwide sounding title he has in the White House, he's at least flying next to J.D. vance to Iran. Fucking talks.

Steve (20:24)

Yeah, he gets the perks.

Julian Dorey (20:25)

He gets the perks. I have a problem with people like that taking their big fucking boot, no pun intended, to the great nation of Italy and trying to stamp it down on people's faces for pointing out their past stupidity that they're trying to run from while hiding behind the power that they have. So we will always call that out. And I don't know, this guy really just pisses me off. Really, really something really, really skeevy about him. And wrong. And like I said, when Jeffrey Epstein's calling you trouble,

Steve (20:58)

not good for biz,

Julian Dorey (21:00)

not good for business, to say the least. Anyway, D Line. Think she's getting pardon, Dude,

Steve (21:12)

I'm trying to be a positive guy, but I just. It's just not. It hasn't been looking good. I think she.

Julian Dorey (21:17)

I think.

Steve (21:18)

I think she's gonna get the pardon.

Julian Dorey (21:19)

Yeah, I heard this week. This might be total, total spec news. But check this, because I just thought of this. Someone said she's allowed to have a dog in prison that might be completely made up.

Steve (21:34)

Let that dog know.

Julian Dorey (21:35)

But I saw that in the background of my mind. She was allowed to play with a

Steve (21:40)

service dog at her minimum security prison.

Julian Dorey (21:44)

All right, that's not the same. Yeah, see, there you go.

Steve (21:46)

And then she got banned from the official puppy training program.

Julian Dorey (21:49)

All right, that's good. I appreciate that.

Steve (21:51)

I didn't know we had those in prison. We're having prisoners train the dogs.

Julian Dorey (21:55)

Huh? Well, I knew about that. But like the. The claim of owning a dog in prison, that would have been a bridge too far for me. But she was moved from her prison, as we well know, months ago into a minimum security facility with all kinds of perks after having a meeting with Trump's justice department in 2025, discussing all kinds of things behind closed door about Epstein with one Todd Blanche, who now happens to be, at the time of this recording, the Acting Attorney General of the United States, who we've covered this. He doesn't know about any claims related to Mr. Epstein and sex trafficking women. And, you know, and if he did, he would tell you. Nothing to see here, folks. But let's go this first one, Ghislaine Maxwell, sent a USB to the DOJ shortly after Melania, who was in the emails with Glenn. We've covered that in the past. Came out with her statement. So let's go down. This is from the Daily Beast, right? Yeah, they're okay. So Jeffrey Epstein's accomplice, Ghislaine Maxwell, sent a mystery USB drive to the Justice Department days after Melania Trump sought to distance herself for the pair's heinous sex crimes. The disgraced former socialite sent the USB on April 16 in a fresh attempt to quash her criminal conviction and 20 year jail sentence for helping Epstein recruit and abuse women and girls. While the details of the electronic files are not known, the timing of it, seven days after the first lady delivered a surprise statement about Epstein and Maxwell, raised eyebrows across Washington. In her April 9 statement, Melania Trump denied any ties to Epstein's crimes and demanded that lies being spread about her must end. All right, let's go down. I'm gonna skip some of this. So goes through her email with GI Lynn in a letter to federal Judge Paul Engelmeier. Clayton. I'm sorry. The mysterious USB was received this week by Trump prosecutor Jay Clayton, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, who Henry Abbott, I think on camera had something to say about. In a letter to Federal Judge Paul Engelmeyer, Clayton confirms receipt of the package and asked the court to give the government until June 5 to file a response. He did not outline details of the material Maxwell sent, but noted that her arguments appear to be duplicative and meritless credit where it's due. I appreciate him saying that. Let's see if they end up backing that up and sticking to that. According to Clayton, Maxwell also cited about 50 exhibits to support her claims, but only 33 were included in the package. Come on, that's bad biz, lawyers. You gotta do better than that. Boo. And he describes the initial review. Yada, yada, yada. Okay. Nothing else to see there. Basically, she trying to get out the second link I have there. I'm sorry. Third link is from Comer. So this is where it starts to get.

Steve (24:36)

You don't want this second one.

Julian Dorey (24:38)

Interesting. I. I don't need the second one because it. It. The Daily Beast just covered it. But U.S. house Oversight Committee Chair James Comer says some panel members. Now this is in Congress, are open to US President Donald Trump pardoning. Not commuting, pardoning, dude. Ghislaine Maxwell to secure her cooperation in the Epstein investigation.

Steve (25:08)

That's why I say it, dude. Secure asset. We got. Listen, we gotta do this for her. She's gonna be helping us.

Julian Dorey (25:16)

This is a security issue

Steve (25:20)

biz.

Julian Dorey (25:21)

Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father, as we well know, at this point, is former scumbag super spy Robert Maxwell, who died in very mysterious circumstances in 1992.

Steve (25:34)

As they all do.

Julian Dorey (25:36)

As they all do. Thief. But Ghislaine Maxwell, since before her father's death, but very specifically shortly after her father's death, was by Jeffrey Epstein's side. She was the chief recruiter of all victims of all ages, from the lowest, you know, most disgusting acts all the way to women who were of age who then got raped. This is a woman who referred to the 12 to 14 year old girls that she would recruit in West Palm beach for massages where they would be assaulted as new biles. She viewed them as human trash. This is a woman who had a clear sickness and also took part, according to many victims, in some of the sexual assaults. I believe the Farmer sisters, if I remember correctly, were among some of the people who, behind their names, have officially made that claim. I want to say Annie Farmer, the younger sister, made that claim, but I'm remembering that off the top of my head, so please check me in the comments on that. This is a woman who has serious ties to being an espionage spy, which means the same thing, obviously, but someone who traveled the world, gallivanted around the world, connecting with the most powerful people and getting them into situations where beyond just taking pictures with them to blackmail them, where they would actually then commit heinous acts and be blackmailable targets for whatever means, for whatever end goals she and the people she worked for had behind the scenes. This is a woman who was convicted in December 2021 for sex trafficking girls and women to no one, according to the government. As you know, the semantics of that case ended up playing out. Nonetheless, she was convicted and a woman who no doubt had access to at least some of the largest secrets. I would, I don't think I'm being exaggerating saying this. Some of the largest known secrets to mankind that exist today, for all of the lack of justice in this case and the lack of prosecutions and the lack of any ability to give the American people what we deserve, which is the ability for it to see powerful individuals answer for their heinous crimes and prevent something like this from ever stop from ever happening again. And in addition to that slap in the face, if they pardoned this woman, Jeffrey Epstein's right hand woman, it would be one of the most abysmal, disgusting, clear in your face inside jobs ever perpetuated upon the American public and for that matter the public of the world. And so I say unequivocally, I don't give a fuck what information she promises she could give. I don't care what administration is in charge when and if something like this happens, if Ghislaine Maxwell is pardoned. It is not only a total disgrace, that is a, that is a middle finger the likes of which are in a line with let them eat cake. If you know, you know, Andy Farmer weighed in on this. Steve, I have that quote. I think a victim should be heard on this. And that's why I'm remembering, I believe she was literally assaulted by Guy Maxwell herself, which makes this even more powerful. But she said, before you consider a pardon of a convicted sex offender and trafficker, imagine explaining it to your wife, sister or daughter. Could you live with knowing that you've chosen to put a felon who recruited, groomed and threatened underage girls and young women above survivors. My sister, Maria Farmer risked everything to report Ghislaine Maxwell and I was asked by our government to be a witness against Maxwell at trial. A pardon is profoundly insulting and a deep betrayal. In the clearest terms possible, this move would be detrimental to survivors. We asked the Department of Justice to permanently close the door on any pardon or commutation for Maxwell and instead open the door on a criminal investigation into the na. Into the enablers of Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell's abuse. I retweet every single thing she said. There's. That's perfectly said from someone who had to see this horror up front.

Steve (30:20)

Yeah, it's crazy. If she gets pardoned, that's the end of law as we know it.

Julian Dorey (30:25)

I agree. But if she does get pardoned, something tells me Alan Dershowitz is going to be around that case. Best believe that that's pure spec. But something tells me he's got a direct line to the people that would be involved in such a thing. And Alan Dershowitz this week. Mm. Made the news again. As he finds a way to do. Finds his way into the middle of every story, don't he? Deep.

Steve (30:49)

Yeah. He knows good biz. He knows how to get it rolling and get it rocking.

Julian Dorey (30:54)

You got to go straight to the press.

Steve (30:56)

He knows the playbook.

Julian Dorey (30:57)

He does know the press playbook for sure. Certainly a PR whore, if you will. No insult intended. It's just pure species. A PR whore. But apparently you have to say that people are very litigious, Steve. Yeah, Getting scary around here.

Steve (31:13)

It's like a trigger warning, but it's a pure spec warning.

Julian Dorey (31:16)

Yes. This show is satire. Alan Dershowitz registered as a Republican according to himself, and, you know, he said the quiet part out loud when he did this. He listed off every way in which he is, according to every domestic form of policy, a liberal Democrat, but said he had to register Republican for one reason. You wanna take a guess what that reason was, Thief?

Steve (31:43)

Uh, I can guess that it has to do with a country in the Middle East.

Julian Dorey (31:47)

That's right. A country that's not America. Israel. He said that the left has become synonymous with the worst policy for the safety and security of the country of Israel, which is not America and is not the country that he was born in. And because the right wing seems to be so perfectly still bought off by Israel's interest. Just follow the money there. He's decided that that alone is enough for him to register Republican. It harkens back to the late, great Sheldon Adelson, thief. Whose wife Miriam is still around. But Sheldon Adelson once said he has one issue and one political issue only. Israel. But he was the biggest Republican donor of all time. Or one of them, I should say. You know, I. I just. Stuff like that is indefensible. You see the poll numbers on people below age 50 on the left and right and how they feel about the government of Israel and their actions and their influence in America. Attempt to influence America. Yeah, numbers aren't looking good, people. So at some point you're going to have to read the room because especially the longer wars go on, wars that are not in our interest, which seem to happen again and again and again, you know, even older people are going to wake up. And we went through a poll a couple weeks ago where some of that's already happening. And when you're talking about older people, people in their 60s whose entire lives have been propagandized to believe, like Israel good, everyone else over there bad, you know, when some of them are even waking up, that's, that's, that's not a good harbinger if, if you're in the interest of the safety and security of Israel, like Alan Dershowitz. I wish no ill will towards any country. I also don't wish any ill will between countries completely unnecessary unnecessarily, where civilians are being killed in the tens of thousands as a result. And right now we see that happening with Israel also. I, I had this for the end deep to maybe get to, but let's pull it up. There's a link there. The White House official explanation of Operation Epic Fury in Iran quite literally wrote the quiet part out loud, if you will. I mean, we already knew this. They've already, Marco Rubio said this out loud when we did it. Mike Johnson said it out loud. Donald Trump all but said it out loud. But literally within the explanation of the war on state.gov release, slash, whatever, da da, da, da, da. I'm going to read this word for word. Epic Fury is only the latest round of an ongoing international armed conflict with Iran, as the United States has explained in multiple letters to the UN Security Council, including most recently on March 10. This is what they choose to lead with. The United States is engaged in this conflict at the request of and in the collective self interest, self defense of its Israeli ally, as well as to exercise the United States own inherent right of self defense. That's just like a little foot right there. Now you see the influence some of these guys have and you see them saying these things out loud, like Dershowitz, who's got direct line to the White House. And you know, if, if we get to it later, we'll talk about the Wall Street Journal report on some of the influence with this war. And I say it like that because the Wall Street Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who is a very, very strong pro Israel guy, who is one of the two people that was listed in the New York Times report several, a couple of weeks ago as being the key drivers behind the scenes trying to convince Trump to attack Iran. And those two people were Benjamin Netanyahu and Rupert Murdoch. So when the Wall Street Journal is reporting some of this stuff, whose literal owner is in the can for the opposite. Open your eyes on that. But yeah, congratulations down Dershowitz on your new identification, whatever that means and I wish you all the best. Also one last thing before we get to Bilderberg and then the missing scientist. Steve. So we have a new Fed chair coming in.

Steve (36:01)

Is he a good guy? They run a vet on him.

Julian Dorey (36:04)

You know, let me be really clear. I don't know, I don't know. I, Kevin Warsh, I wouldn't know him if I cross him in the street. I haven't gone and looked at his old monetary policy in detail from when he was, I believe on the Federal Reserve Board. I hope I got that right. But he wasn't in charge of the Fed, but I believe he was on the board. I don't remember any of his policies. I can't tell you if he's good, bad or indifferent in that way. Couldn't tell you if he's a great guy behind the scenes or bad guy behind the scenes. No idea. But what I can tell you is again, I've said this again and again, the optics of the Trump administration in their hirings is laughably bad. Like Biden's was so bad we would get people that didn't even identify as a gender in fucking roles with the nuclear codes and then they'd end up stealing luggage at airports. If you know, you know, this is in a different way bad. And it, whether it's a Palo Zam poly or whether it's a Kevin Warsh. Kevin Warsh's father in law is Ronald Lauder. It's first names on Ronald. Right. Who's the head of Estee Lauder who is also the head of. Can we pull it up? Thief. I don't want to get the name wrong. The international something. He's a, he's a very, very pro Israel guy. He is the head of an organization that was. Let's, let's pull it up. I, I don't even want to, I don't want to around with this and have it wrong.

Steve (37:32)

Robert Warsh.

Julian Dorey (37:34)

No, it's going to be Ronald Lauder from Estee Lauder. Yeah. He's the president of the World Jewish Congress. That's what it is. Sorry, I should have had that people. And among the people on the board there are David the Rothschild. The jokes write themselves people like again, Kevin Warsh might have nothing to do with it. Might have nothing to do with it. Might not listen to his father in law at all. I know a lot of people don't like their in laws but like the optics of that. When you're in the middle of people looking at this more than ever. To put this guy out there optically. No disrespect to Kevin. Maybe he's a nice guy. It's just not smart or as def would say bad biz is bad biz. Really, really, really bad biz.

Steve (38:29)

I think it's just part of it though. I think they got to just get everybody that's in the circle in where they can, you know.

Julian Dorey (38:37)

And it doesn't help Pierce back. Just saying it's Pierce back. But it doesn't help that it's also the Fed, which is this. Yeah. Viewed as a disastrous institution that people got a lot of thoughts about including its inception back in 1913. And they are right. Some of these thoughts is a place that has been responsible for inflating away the wealth of people particularly since the 1970s, coming off the gold standard for decades now. And is a part of. Whether it's on purpose or not is up to you to decide. But is a part of the basic. What I would describe in phraseology as legislating away of the middle class in the United States slowly but surely. I've always referred to the Steven Pinker chart from Enlightenment now in his book back in 2018 where he shows the separation of the middle class. And Steven Pinker of course is in the Epstein files. Because everyone's in the Epstein files. God damn it.

Steve (39:33)

I just think that once they get all their folks in then they can engineer another crisis if they need to.

Julian Dorey (39:39)

If they need to.

Steve (39:39)

Just in time for midterms or whatever it be.

Julian Dorey (39:42)

I don't blame you for thinking that. And speaking of engineering crisis. God, you didn't even plan that. That was great. There. There was a. There was a crisis meeting. This is what a blue balls people with. Last week there was a crisis meeting in Washington D.C. no less of the Bilderberg Group a week and a half ago. And there was only one, as far as I could tell, only one journalist outside this hotel in Washington D.C. that was surrounded by a fence for a long time. More on that in a second. There was Only one journalist cover in this and I want to give this guy a huge shout out. Dan Dix from Press for Truth, a Canadian independent journalist, wasn't even from America, flew into our country to do this shout out to Dan Dix and he was taking videos all week. But this was the first time in 33 years. There's that number again beef where as far as anyone can tell from reporting that Bilderberg had had their meeting, I guess moved up and viewed it as a crisis meeting. And Dan Dix was there with the scoop, including he was taking videos from far away, yelling at like Alex Carp, who was apparently as a member of Bilderberg and was invited along with the attendees there while he was leaving the hotel and given a weird peace sign outside his limo. And there were some other people as well that he was catching. He might have been the guy that took the picture of the MI6 head who's like, great uncle was a Ukrainian Nazi during World War II. Neither here nor there, but basically Dan Dix was on this. And so we have a couple links. We covered this in the bonus last week on Patreon and I said I would get to it publicly as well. So shout out to all you who waited for that. Also, as a side note, I appreciate everyone who's on Patreon and YouTube members only. We do the early releases over there and we do stuff uncensored for the most part. As far as like some things you do have to censor on YouTube, like words you have to bleep out and stuff like that. But, you know, they are all early releases. I like giving the people in the public also what they want. So special thank you to all the people on Patreon doing that. But I never want people to feel obligated that to go to Patreon or members only. We put our content out in public so everyone can enjoy it. You guys watching the show is plenty of support right there. I really, really do appreciate that. I've said that since day one. I will never stop saying that. So thank you to everyone, seriously. But I believe he had the guest list, right. Thief.

Unknown Advertiser 2 (42:06)

Yeah, it's got.

Julian Dorey (42:08)

So this is the guest list, Bilderberg Meeting, 2026. It says confidential on the top, right? This is a very official piece of paper and it's watermarked with Confidential across and it shows the list of participants. I'm just looking from far away.

Steve (42:22)

I met Stacey Abrams.

Julian Dorey (42:24)

Yeah, I see Henry Kravis's wife. Henry Kravis from kkr. His wife who is the chairman of The Museum of Modern Art. Of Modern Art. She's on there. These are people. They have them listed on the left side by their country of origin. But just looking across this. Who's on there? That's really interesting. Mark Kearney. Mark Carney from Canada. The Prime Minister. Who else? You see Dave?

Steve (42:46)

No, I was. Francois Philippe Champagne. It's a cool name.

Julian Dorey (42:50)

That is a cool name.

Steve (42:52)

Probably not a cool guy.

Julian Dorey (42:55)

Pure spec.

Steve (42:56)

But your spec.

Julian Dorey (42:57)

Minister of France and National Revenue of Finance. And National Revenue in Canada.

Steve (43:03)

Sounds French.

Julian Dorey (43:03)

Other Canadian.

Steve (43:04)

Yeah. Okay, so CEO of Stripe, Patrick Collison.

Julian Dorey (43:09)

Yep. Dan Driscoll, the U.S. secretary of the Army. Nothing to see there. We're gonna get to what the agenda was in a second. That's. He also. Dan Dick's also got that. I run the next page right now. Scanning, scanning, scanning.

Steve (43:22)

Alex Karp.

Julian Dorey (43:23)

Alex Karp, as we said, is right there. These are people basically who are, if I could summarize it, people from governments, people from media who are clearly on the inside. People from technocracy, major industry leaders, people from espionage, people from. I said from governments, but also specifically like ambassadors. People that go around the world to other countries on behalf of a country. Let's go to the next.

Steve (43:50)

Oh, yeah. Demis Hassabis, the co founder and CEO of DeepMind from Google AI company. Okay, this is the next page.

Julian Dorey (43:59)

Peter Thiel was there as well. I don't think we're at tease yet, but Satya Nadella, the CEO of Microsoft, these people were all like. All these people were in a Washington D.C. hotel and no one was there. And then Dan Dix took a funny video where the like, temporary fencing they put up around the hotel was blown over by the winds. And he was like, it was God doing it to blow the cap off of all this corruption.

Steve (44:24)

Editor in chief of Bloomberg, Editor in chief of the Economist.

Julian Dorey (44:28)

Yep.

Steve (44:29)

CEO of Deutsche Bank.

Julian Dorey (44:31)

The Economist was owned by the Rothschilds until about a month and a half ago. They sold. It was partially owned by the Rothschilds. They sold. I forget what their percentage stake was, but they did sell that stake. That's interesting. And then we see Rishi Sunak, Member of Parliament and former Prime Minister of Great Britain. We see Peter Thiel, as I said, Fareed Zakaria, host of Freed Zakaria gps on. On cnn. You know, the thing about this list is it is people from every race, alleged religion, though I would argue probably none of them have one. Pure spec and country and place and type around the world. They're very diversified, I will give them that. They're very diversified. Except.

Steve (45:17)

Gotta be.

Julian Dorey (45:18)

Except in one key metric. Deep.

Steve (45:20)

What's that?

Julian Dorey (45:21)

Anyone who is in any way not associated with an elite circle. They don't have any representative, therefore, of 99.9999-9999% of the Earth. These are all people who are of wealth, means power and interior circles where all of the places they show up have watermarks that say confidential and nobody knows nothing mention.

Steve (45:43)

They sound like a bus driver in there. It's like Mike Johnson, bus driver. Like, man, I'm just. I'm just making sure they keep it within bounds. Okay? That's all I'm here to do.

Julian Dorey (45:56)

That's good for ops. Do we have the agenda though too? Yeah, yeah. Check this. He's got it up. All right, so the agenda for Bilderberg 26 was released. AI Arctic Security. Cue all the pyramids underneath the Antarctica. People out there. China, digital finance, energy diversification. Europe, global trade, the middle east, Russia. We're covering most of the map at this point. Thief. Transatlantic defense, industrial relationship. That sounds a lot like what Kiriakou said. Arms deals, you know, that kind of. That kind of business. Ukraine, which is still a war, killing millions of people. Literally still going on. Usa future of warfare. And the west. So don't worry everybody. These people, these in some cases actually elected. I do have to say that. But in most cases, unelected, in an unelected forum are meeting in this hotel with some nice seafood towers, deciding what your future is regardless of where you're from. Around the world in war. Not war or going to be in war.

Steve (46:58)

Hmm.

Julian Dorey (47:00)

Good luck.

Steve (47:01)

Good luck.

Julian Dorey (47:02)

Good luck. It's just crazy that they do this stuff right in front of you. What are we.

Steve (47:08)

What the hell are we gonna do about it?

Julian Dorey (47:10)

Apparently not a goddamn thing. Not talk about it on YouTube.

Steve (47:13)

Buy another labubu.

Julian Dorey (47:15)

Yes, by a laboo. Maybe a chio pet. Yeah.

Steve (47:17)

Order uber eats and get a labu boo.

Julian Dorey (47:19)

Yeah, but the missing scientists.

Steve (47:23)

Yeah. Dude, I feel like when we did it last week, we were like so. Like I was blown to the tits. And I feel like now I'm just like, this isn't as crazy as I thought.

Julian Dorey (47:33)

Like, it's still crazy, right?

Steve (47:34)

But there's still so much to be said.

Julian Dorey (47:36)

There's three things to be said right off the bat. Some of the quote unquote missing scientists and air quotes, because not all of them are scientists, are bullshit and shouldn't be tied to the story. I feel pretty strongly about that. Again, I said last week, I hesitate to use the term rule out because I'm a YouTuber. And it's like, all right, you gotta. You're gonna know what seat you sit in, pal. But, like, when you look at the evidence of some of these, it's like, I think there's a lot of things pointing to that's not connected. The second thing that's. That is also probably true here, that I'll talk about more in a second, is the fact that this does feel like it is an attempt at making a story to be a distraction from the story that they tried to make, a distraction for another story that they don't like. And those two stories I'm referring to on the distraction chain of everybody run over here now, run over here, now, run over here are the Iran war, which has been not good for the west, and to this point, and of course, the Epstein files, which. Quick sidebar. I have been stopped on the street by people multiple times over the past couple of weeks saying that they really appreciate the fact that Definite are still covering this at least a little bit every week and not letting this die. And I. I have really, really appreciated hearing that because I do my best to do the right thing. And, you know, we're entertainers, but we were covering real shit on this show, on this specific show where Deep and I are doing this because we're covering the news cycle and stuff like that. You know, I have seen this die off in the algorithm. I've seen it be less than optimal to be the thing to cover for sure. It's not exactly the most monetized topic either. I don't care. I've looked at this case for seven years, everyone out there listening, you guys, many of you have looked at this case obsessively, just like me. And we are all fed an algorithm that tells us what to look at next. And if there's one little small part we can do on our little corner of the Internet to at least put something in there to where this story stays alive so that perhaps we can look back and say maybe if some justice gets done, we did our little part. You know, I. I do take a lot of pride in that. So I've appreciated the people that have said that. They've also been a lot of people in DMS saying that as well. So that. That is why we stay on that. And again, some of the stories we talked about this week, chances are you guys didn't even see that because of all the other going on. And, you know, it's like another story, another story, another story. And that's why with the distraction aspect of the missing scientist story, there's a lot of people jumping on this that I'll get to in a second, including from the government, that it just feels like they're excited to talk about this in a way where instead of being really actually concerned about national security, feel like we'll just throw a missing scientists over and over again, they'll stop talking about the disaster in Iran and then maybe when they start thinking about that, they won't even remember about that Epstein guy. You do have to say that here. And I think I said there were three things there. I just went on a long tangent. But if there was a third thing, it's that at the. This is what it was at the top of the pyramid of this missing scientist case, there's some concern with at least a couple people there. Yeah. That have disappeared. Actually a fourth thing as well. I just remembered this. 4th and 5th. The kind of 4th, but we'll call 4th and 5th. 4th. There's a few other cases that are allegedly coming up right now that we have to look at more that might be something or they might not. They might be just a part of the distraction to build it up. And fifth, also, what could be a distraction here? Gotta look at this more. We're going to examine it in a few minutes. But there's also reports of, I think it was at least seven missing scientists over the past couple years in China.

Steve (51:40)

China, yeah.

Julian Dorey (51:41)

Who have disappeared. And the reason why you have to say journalistically, well, there could be a there there with things like this is because when you look at the history of the world, especially Since World War II, look throughout the Cold War and things like that, scientists were targets of countries like the US and Russia, ussr, I should say, from back then and continue to be, because of their brains and their minds and the things they have access to and the vital information as it pertains to national security that they could give up if you started taking their fingernails. Just saying. All right, so let's start with Amy Eskridge. We talked about her on last week's episode for about three, four minutes because it was just coming out at the time. And then Lauren Conlon and I in episode 413, which dropped yesterday by the time this is dropping on Saturday, we also discussed her and Lauren had similar reservations as Def and I do, having been able to review it more after last week's recording. First of all, when the Daily Mail came out with the headline 11th Missing Scientist linked to case, they made it sound and it was Amy Eskridge. They made it sound like this was a brand new death or disappearance. Amy Eskridge, to be clear, died by suicide in 2022. So it was not. That was a misleading kind of thing. Which again adds to the distraction narrative here, if that is a real narrative. But we watched a video with Lauren Conlon. There's another I'm going to play in a minute that we didn't watch with her. And there are many videos floating around of Amy Eskridge because she did interviews and talked on the Internet before she died where it is so, so clear that at the very least she was abusing all kinds of substances which maybe some people say, oh, your life's in danger for real. You end up turning to things like that. Possible. But she had alleged history of schizophrenia and serious, serious issues. And furthermore, someone I know well, spoke to someone extremely close to her last week who was unequivocal that A, she did actually commit suicide and B, her work was not nearly as serious as she tried to say. She was not an idiot, to be clear. Amy was actually heavily educated within. We read off some of her education last week within science fields and that was really her life interest. But you know, her father basically set up a for fun company for her to feel like she was larping and those, those are my words, to put it that way analytically. But Lauren Conlon couldn't find government contracts. We thought that was what we were looking at last week. Again, the case was just breaking when we were recording. But you know, if there's something else there, I'm happy to change my mind. I just don't see it there. There's a, the first link. You have it up deep here. So this is, this is an example of an Amy Eskridge video where she's in a static panic claiming her hands were being targeted by a direct energy weapon just one month before she was found dead from a gunshot wound to the head. This is from Right Angle Network on Twitter. Let's play this.

Amy Eskridge (55:23)

My, My hands have been burned to hell and back as I've been typing because you can beam me through there and through or through there and you can get a 3D image of what I'm doing.

Julian Dorey (55:34)

Why are you sitting in that room?

Amy Eskridge (55:35)

Because this computer doesn't have a WI fi card. You can't hack it, but you can Maybe get a 3D image of me typing. So like we just did that and did that as an active, as an act of pure desperation. And guess what? I feel better immediately. I feel better immediately. Like, my hands still burn.

Steve (55:59)

Champagne down there.

Amy Eskridge (56:00)

My hand's still burned because there's damage, but, but it's like my body relaxed when we barricaded the.

Julian Dorey (56:09)

All right, that's good. I, I'm, to be clear, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to someone who has tragically died. I have to look at this stuff in as balanced a way as I can and look at what facts we can see. And if they're leaning a certain way, I'm going to say that. And so I, I, I personally think hers is blown out of proportion. Again, I'm happy to see new evidence brought forward, but I don't, I feel like she probably wasn't having a lot of conversations with how put off, which I think she was, like, alluding to having had some engagement with him, you know, and how put off might be an awful guy. She might be right about that. But, like, she was over shooting her chops, if you will. So, again, that's, that's not the best look on a case like this. There's also the video of Rep. Burleson when, you know, again, there are some huge stories that people want out of the media right now. And by people, I mean people in our government. So when you have congressmen jumping all over this and making huge claims, especially about someone like Amy Eskridge. Yeah, your red alarm bell should be going off. Here's Rep. Burleson talking about. I believe he's talking directly about Amy Eskridge.

Unknown Advertiser 2 (57:30)

If I remember these 11 scientists, there's some outliers, certainly, but each one has a very mysterious and unique case. I think Amy Eskridge, her case is somewhat of an outlier, but it's worth investigating. I mean, we had Michael Shellenberger come to our hearing back in 2024, and in his testimony, he provided information from a researcher, Frank Milburn, who was a retired UK intelligence official, who Amy had reached out to and asked to investigate some of the harassment, some of the weird things that were happening with her. And he determined that she was the victim of a directed energy weapon and that she was likely murdered by a US Aerospace company.

Julian Dorey (58:11)

Okay. He's also citing Michael Shellenberger, who basically went on Joe Rogan and made an ass of himself two months ago talking about Epstein and having gone through the, he wrote articles about it. Having gone through the Epstein files. Oh, he had no, he wasn't an intel agent. All this stuff, it was, you know, people throw around that term controlled opposition online. It's impossible to not look at what he was saying and, and think that. And I saw there was a good 11, 10, 11 minute clip, I think 8, 10, 11 minute clip I saw of Rogan and him going back and forth. And, you know, Rogan's helped his career a ton. He's had him on the show a bunch over the years. And Rogan was getting righteously so pissed off because Shellenberger was just trying to shut him down, cut him off and say, there's nothing to see here, get away from it. And when you look at the people Shellenberger's tied to, Peter, you know, it's not, it's not great. Look. So when you have the congressman citing him right out front, immediately red flags are flying. Yeah, immediately like, yeah, okay, so they're gonna blow up this one, but not Epstein. Interesting, interesting. I'll keep note of that. Annie Jacobson, who's a phenomenal author who I'd love to have on the podcast someday. We've tried. Never been able to do it. But, you know, she's written some incredible books, Operation Paperclip in the past. She wrote the book about darpa. She wrote a book that I didn't read. I believe it's about Roswell and some of the other weird things that aren't talked about with that. And then she just wrote a book about nuclear war that she's been over the past year going on a lot of shows, talking about. But she said on Twitter, I think the missing scientists will become part of the coming White House UFO release, the real intention of which is to divert from foreign affairs and the Epstein files. And she cites an article that was in the Atlantic where it was talking about, you know, the case for this just being a giant distraction. And you do have to throw that out there. I've talked about the shiny object in the past being UFOs. Trump very conveniently saying that a week before the Iran war and then McCaslin disappearing a week after. He said that, you know, right before the Iran war. That's where it certainly is sketchy at best and, you know, just a news media cover up at worst, I guess is how you would say it. But there are a couple cases coming forward. One that I'm not gonna talk about today is the never remember how to pronounce his name. The Levensberger case from New Year's Day 2025, which Sean Ryan had done a big podcast on right after that happened. I still gotta look more at that. There's people trying to connect that, but there was a lot going on there. That was like, I don't know, let me look at that more before I actually make some comments. But there were, there were two other scientists that were online thrown around as linked to this this week. Let you guys decide where you think this stands. One of them was this guy who was killed in his Tesla and this was a NASA nuclear scientist. So he was found deceased in his Tesla after colliding with a guardrail. I believe this was last year. Leaving his body so burned that he was completely unrecognizable. According to a new report From Fox News, 29 year old Joshua LeBlanc, who worked on nuclear propulsion projects died in a fiery crash over the summer. His family at the time said they feared he had been abducted when he left his phone and wallet at home. It's another pattern we've seen there with some other people who have disappeared or died. According to Tesla sentry mode data, his vehicle sat at the Huntsville, Alabama airport for four hours on the morning of his death. Again, a lot of these people have some weird connection to Huntsville or Wright Patterson up in Ohio, I believe. Just I gotta say that. His car was later found that afternoon. Authorities have now told Fox News that the car collided with a guardrail before slamming into trees. It then burst into flames. His family said it was completely uncharacteristic for him to not communicate with them and that it was not part of his plan to travel west that day. LeBlanc had an impressive resume. According to his LinkedIn profile, he worked at NASA for over five years. He was a team lead. Listen to this. For NASA's space nuclear propulsion Instrumentation and Control maturation. We talked about the five scientists in this report who are linked to jpl, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory at NASA. This is in a similar line of work, if you will. LeBlanc then became a team lead for NASA's demonstration rocket for agile CIS lunar operation codenamed Draco, a nuclear thermal propulsion engine. According to Fox, this was a brilliant man and a serious guy. Certainly dying under odd circumstances. It is worth looking at. This is, this is not an Amy Eskridge. This guy was inside the belly of the beast, if you will. There was also a plane crash, I believe on the 16th, 16th or 17th of April this month that involved, if you can go up just for one second, James, Tony, he was known as Tony Moffat. And I believe, unfortunately two of his sons, they died in a M20 crash in South Carolina. And the cause remains under investigation. Will go down right here. So a decorated veteran pilot, aerospace engineer and defense researcher was killed in a plane crash in South Carolina, raising questions about whether the incident is related to the deaths and disappearances of 11 scientists tied to nuclear and space research. I do want to add this is all from Fox News, which is certainly a it's another Rupert Murdoch owned place that is very friendly to the current White House and has plenty of hosts on there that will apparently at all costs due to bidding. I've said a White House even when they're in the wrong. So take that with a grain of salt. James Tony Moffat, 60, was flying with his wife Lee oh, his wife was on there too, wife Lisa, 61, and sons Andrew, 30, and William, 28 when the plane crashed in a wooded area near the Runway at Union County Airport in South Carolina on Friday. The family from Huntsville, Alabama. There it is again. Was traveling from the Raleigh Durham area of North Carolina to Huntsville, officials said, and it stopped in Union county to refuel. The Union County Sheriff's Office said the crash occurred around 6:30. The family was flying a Mooney M20 single engine aircraft. Let's go down. I want to get to some of his work. Moffat is the latest scientists with ties to aerospace research and NASA to make headlines with the deaths and disappearance of 11 individuals with similar backgrounds, which is misleading to say it that way, raising concerns. His son Andrew Moffatt was also an up and coming researcher at the time of his death. 30 year old was a research engineer and scientist at the University of Alabama and Huntsville's Research and Engineering Subject Support Center. The elder Moffat earned a Master's degree meaning the father Tony, who was known as Tony, earned a Master's degree in Aerospace engineering from Georgia Tech in 1988 and previously studied as an experimental test pilot in the US Naval Test Pilot School, according to his LinkedIn profile. Following his 21 year military career, Moffat worked as a payload and flight crew support specialist at NASA's Johnson Air Johnson Space Center Astronaut Office where He participated in 14 space shuttle ISS construction and missions. Inside the belly of the beast, if you will. After retiring from The army in 2008, Moffatt founded Aerospace consulting firm Moffat Systems, Inc. And later served as a principal research engineer at the University of Alabama and Huntsville's Research center. We don't know anything beyond this yet. Private planes do crash. That is usually what when you hear about a plane crash it is usually private one, unfortunately. Convenient timing, I'll say that. But this is all we know right now. It's just strange. I have to admit that it's strange another Huntsville NASA related guy dying around the same time. Whole family Goes down with him. The Sun's also in some research maybe about a little something, learn something from the old man. You never know worth talking about.

Steve (66:48)

I'm just sitting here looking at like the ad on Fox News's website, like proud American, click here for patriotic news and inspiring stories. And it's like, yeah, these stories are, they're really inspiring lately. Really, really inspiring me.

Julian Dorey (67:03)

Yeah, that's another thing. You know, the Patriot is one of my favorite movies with Mel Gibson. Yeah. And Patriot's such a great word if, if you study the Revolutionary War obsessively like I do. Hint, hint. We're gonna have some good stuff coming on that, by the way. Let's leave that right there. But you know, these guys were amazing what they pulled off. And by the way, they were across the political spectrum in doing that, as it would later be revealed when they were making the Constitution and arguing over it and arguing in the years later about how to run the government. But like they were a brilliant group of men and they were patriots. And I think all Americans who actually love the country should be able to call themselves patriots. I just find it really sad that it just kind of got co opted to where like you only say that if you're like a hardcore conservative or something and that's, that's against America. I think people on the far left and the far right, which to be clear, it's not just people on the far right. I don't want to be unfair there, but people on the far left and far right are by definition not patriots. They can think they are, but, but you know, it's extreme politics really don't represent that. But people kind of across the spectrum with a range of ideas should be able to say like, I'm a patriot if I actually love America and appreciate living here. Like me, I'm an extremely moderate person and I call myself that. But it's just strange that terminology has been co opted politically like a lot of other terminology. By the way, we see this on the left and the right, different terms are associated with one or the other. And it's really cringe and I hope like in this, you know, dangerous word that you use here, but like this reset button era that hopefully we have somewhat coming up here, we can get rid of shit like that and just talk again and be able to call yourself stuff without making a political statement. It's like when you would go to Twitter and if you went to a bio and it had a Ukraine flag in it, you knew who they voted for. If you went to a bio and it had American flag in it. You knew who they voted. That's very weird. Yeah, it's very, very weird. And in some cases that's also because politicians lost their mind. You know, we. We saw that with woke culture and particularly for a lot of years on the left. Like, of course if you lose your mind like that, you're going to piss people off who aren't even on the other side, but then go the other side. I totally get that. And that's how the pendulum in America works and why we all fight. But another thing I did want to cover with the missing scientist story is another case that was tossed around into the middle of this, that actually has some history on this podcast in the past that I want to address directly because I truly believe it is completely unrelated and is exactly what it was reported to be. And that is the tragic suicide of David Wilcock. So people jumped on this right away. David Wilcock is a longtime UFO and paranormal researcher who was associated with Gaia TV. Back in episode 287. I had my friend Darcy Weirin, who did a documentary that we are going to link in the description below called Dark Alliances, Dark alliance covering Corey Good in particularly and David Wilcock who at one point had a show together on Gaia and all of the bullshit that they spewed. And I called Darcy before this just to like rehash it. Episode 287 came out. I want to say that was March 25, 2024, so it's bit or 2025, so it's been over a year. But he went through a lot of what was going on in that documentary. And basically there were depositions for a lawsuit between, I believe it was Gaia and Corey good in 2023 that were made public. And Darcy was able to go through where Corey Good admits that the stuff that he. And by extension David Wilcock and being associated with him and making some of the same claims, the stuff that he was pushing, like secret space programs 20 and back, which is. That's a whole fucking rabbit hole right there. These terms were actually fake. And the way he said it, you would have loved this thief Great biz. In the deposition when they were. When the lawyers were asking him about it, he said, well, that's. That's my. My intellectual property to sell. He was referring to it as intellectual property that he. And they're like, so you created it? Yes, I, I created intellectual. So it's not real. And he was basically like, real. What is real?

Steve (71:38)

It's real.

Julian Dorey (71:39)

I mean, it's laughable. And so David Wilcock was an early. Who I was just talking about Corey Goode, his partner in crime, if you will. No pun intended. There was an early UFO researcher, researcher in the space who blew up with Gaia TV and ancient aliens. Eventually the guy was known to have kind of lost his mind. He left Corey Good behind. He lost his money. I believe he. He even ended up getting divorced. He had made up all these secret space program claims along with Corey Goode, you could say some of them certainly emanated with Corey Goode, but he retweeted them, if you will. And you know, this is also a guy who had made a lot of doomsday claims. At one point he always. So Darcy talked about. He always sold fear like a lot of people do. It's a very powerful thing to sell that gets people on your side. Where he would tell his followers like the world was going to end in 2012. What was another one? I think I wrote one down. He had. He said in 2020, a great solar flash was going to wipe out and. And it was going to wipe out the population. But his followers, ready for this, would ascend. He was early on the clavicular.

Steve (72:53)

He was in the Ascension type.

Julian Dorey (72:55)

He was an Ascension type.

Steve (72:56)

I like that.

Julian Dorey (72:57)

But obviously that never happened. And there were some other claims he made, I don't remember, but they all involved, like bad things happening to Earth that then didn't come to fruition. He also thought he was Edgar Casey reincarnated. Like he had some strange claims. He has crashed out on his live streams that he does. His family has come out. Not again. People will use their conspiratorial minds on this stuff and say, well, that's exactly what they said should say. But his family's come out and said, this is tragic. Asking for prayers at the time he did commit suicide. All that stuff. We got to be so careful running with things like this. It's. It's tragic that a man has lost his life. I. I have reverence for the depth of. Of something like that. You do have to report on how this guy made his business and lived his life, though. And a lot of provable lies. And some of this is also literally personal because beyond episode 287, when I did episode 266, but particularly 267, which were recorded the same day with my friend James Fox and then Jason Sands. Jason Sands was a military UFO whistleblower who had come out in James Fox's documentary, the program which came out in December 2024 and made some insane claims about alien encounters out at Area 51. And I say insane, not to be mean, but because, you know, they were beyond the pale. And long story short, he ended up making in the days after the documentary came out, he made claims that were like, if he had made a claim that was a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10, he made claims that were now on a hundred that he hadn't said in the documentary that were totally disqualifying and made James look really bad. And James, I go way back with him, really good friend of mine, brilliant documentary filmmaker. And the worst part was there were people behind the scenes. I can't say because it's. I believe it's off record. I always err towards that. But that had brought James, Jason Sands, and had pushed him onto James. When they knew that Jason Sands, respect to him, he's a very nice man, had some severe psychological trauma and PTSD. This was documented. I mean, listen to the first 32 minutes, episode 267. Hear about the guy's childhood. That gave me a lot of peace hearing that, because I saw what this man went through in his life. And I empathize with that because I don't think Jason. I've said this before and people disagree, but I'm okay saying this. I don't think Jason Sands is a liar. I think he genuinely believes the things that he says. And I, I told him that to his face afterwards. You know, I. I really think he believes the things he says. But I bring this all up to, to point out that when he first came out with some claims, before the documentary was even released, this is back in April 2024, Darcy Weir was making that documentary, Dark Alliance. And at the time, Darcy Weir was like the Leonardo DiCaprio meme because he heard the claims Jason made and they were literally like lifted from things that have been said by Good and Wilcock on gaia, including the 20 and back term and other things involving space programs. I don't remember all the details, but nobody listened to Darcy. Very few people listen to Darcy at the beginning. And then once more claims came out and people were like, wait a minute. Then they saw that he was actually right on this. So when Darcy and I fast forward and did a podcast on it later, after I talked with Jason Sands on camera, after the documentary come out, after Jason had made all the new claims, after all this, you know, it was about good. And then also Wilcock. And so when you're saying like, oh, now they're off in a UFO researcher. Well, who was this guy? What was his research? I personally don't think the evidence points to his data being anything of note or real. And you can look at those depositions if you need more proof of that. Never say anything's a hundred percent, but color me extremely skeptical of there being any tie or anything different than what has been reported to this case. David Wilcock was not in the best place mentally. Obviously, he had said in the past, I would never kill myself and stuff like that. And, you know, you've heard me say that on air and stuff. But you also have to look at the context of how people talk about other things and things going on in their life and, you know, losing their mind sometimes publicly. And it just kind of is what it is. But I want to make sure, you know, again, Darcy Weir has been on that story for a long time, and Darcy has been incredibly respectful since David Wilcox untimely passing. Obviously, this is a human being who lost their life. And you know, that that should be highlighted for sure. Did I miss anything on that thief? No.

Steve (78:14)

Rip. Yeah, RIP this. I just saw this, though, not to bring you back in, but this, this developed 10 minutes ago while we were rolling. And it looks like Rai, that Italian report, is going to be dropping some stuff on Sunday. In pertinence to our boy Paolo.

Julian Dorey (78:34)

Rai has.

Steve (78:35)

This is from kazoo Catherine 10 minutes ago.

Julian Dorey (78:38)

Yo, Kazoo Catherine. Yo.

Steve (78:40)

I was gonna say that, dude.

Julian Dorey (78:42)

Grindr. Grindr. Shout out. She calls herself Katie on Twitter. Rai has exclusive audio of Pal Zampoli where he reveals the existence of a deal struck between him and Melania before 2016 presidential election. They plan to release the audio on Sunday as part of their investigative report. Before you play this, Steve, I think I forgot to say this at the beginning in our list of claims. The other claim that we looked at and speculated on, based on reports from various publications that were contradictory to each other, by the way, which we made very clear, There were reports that Paolo Zanpoli was the original person to introduce Melania to Donald Trump. And as we also like concluded, if you will, we don't know if that's true. The evidence points to that maybe certainly being the case. But like, again, that stuff that's in the public domain, that's been reported on long before any of this Epstein file stuff came out and is certainly pertinent to the story and pertinent to the fact that the current first lady of the United States, Melania Trump, is coming out and directly addressing this case publicly, publicly. So, again, you know, your honor, if you're watching this, we're doing our homework here. I promise you, doing our best. All right, let's. Let's play this video. There's no, like, you know, it's been years since I spoke Italian, despite the, the one line comeback earlier.

Steve (80:15)

I'm. I'm making mine.

Julian Dorey (80:17)

Dude, I know you're getting there.

Steve (80:18)

120 days in a row you've been practicing it.

Julian Dorey (80:22)

I see that. But I, I did want to go a little bit more into, to come back to it, to McCaslin. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because we had talked about him with Lauren and we had started to touch on it last week. But let's start with the 911 call that his wife, General McCasland's wife made on, I believe was February 27, 2026, when he did not come home. And this, by the way, this is from my buddy Jesse Weber. He pulled this. This is where the actual video we're getting it from, which it was in the public domain, but from his show sidebar on Law and Crime. Jesse Weber's been on my show a couple times for episode 294. And I want to say it was 319 or 320. That was a hazy time for me. But awesome, awesome dude. He also was someone who connected me with Lauren to get on the show the other day and has connected me with other people in the past as well, including Tom Smith. But if you haven't checked out Jesse stuff, he's the man. He covers any major public legal case that's going on. He's on that and is. He has. He is a lawyer by trade and also like an actor by trade. So he's a awesome talker. But Anyway, here's the 911 call once again that McCasland's wife made after his disappearance.

Unknown Advertiser (81:46)

This is April. How may I help you? Hi, April. My name is Susan Wilkerson. My husband is missing. Okay. And it's been about three hours. And I have some indication that he must have planned not to be found. He's left his phone. He changed his clothes, and I don't know why. I think he's on foot. All of our cars and bicycles are in the garage. I left for a doctor's appointment at about 11:10. And he was here at that time at the house. And I got back from that at noon and he was gone. He turned it off and left it behind, which seems kind of deliberate because he's always got his phone. He has a smartwatch. I don't know if that's with him or not. Has he ever done this before? Never. Nothing even remotely like it. He's a retired Air Force major general. He's very responsible, but he's also facing some medical issues. Do you have any video at your home? No. Has he been diagnosed with any mental disorders or anything like that? Well, we've been seeing a doctor both physical and mental in terms of anxiety, short term memory loss, lack of sleep. The same doc I went to see today. Does he carry any weapons on him? Well, not generally. I. He does have a gun safe and I went to look in the gun safe to see if anything was missing, but I couldn't tell if anything was there. He has quite a number of pictures, pistols and rifles. Other than saying if his brain and body keep deteriorating, he didn't want to live like that. But it seemed to me that was just a man. I hate how this is going kind of thing because I told him yes you do. Yes you do. Okay, we're going to send some deputies up to talk to you, see if we can search.

Julian Dorey (83:50)

So it's definitely worth noting that there's been at least some question around him related to anxiety, lack of sleep and most notably short term memory loss. That again, you gotta if when we get information like that we've got to be balanced and, and share that regardless of how treacherous it looks that he is in fact gone. I will say the fact that he deliberately left everything else behind except a pistol is strange because she also made clear on the call he. I think she just said that right there. Correct me if I'm wrong, he never does that. He never doesn't take that stuff. And it was later, I believe revealed. Correct me in the comments if I'm. If I'm remembering this incorrectly that he did in fact leave his Apple Watch behind and did not take that with him. Yep. So all right, that is right. Yeah, yeah, so she said he always

Steve (84:42)

takes it with him.

Julian Dorey (84:43)

That that part is strange. Now this is a guy who and Lauren talked about this. He was in the Podesta emails that were leaked by WikiLeaks back in 2016 where Tom DeLong, the former frontman for Blink 182 emails Podesta and says the following. I've been working with him referring to McCaslin for four months. I just got done giving him a four hour presentation on the entire project a few weeks ago. Trust me, I believe that's referring to to the Stars Academy. Trust me, the advice has already been happening on how to do all this he just has to say that out loud. But he is very, very aware as he was in charge of all this stuff. When Roswell crashed, they shipped it to the laboratory at Wright Patterson air Force base. General McCaslam was in charge of that exact laboratory up to a couple years ago. He not only knows what I'm trying to achieve, he helped assemble my advisory team. He's a very important man. I do also want to note and I. I might have said this last week, but I just want to make sure I hit this again or I might have said this with Lauren. To the stars Academy is filled with a lot of guys from the spooky side of the government. All right, these are guys like Jim Semivan, longtime CIA dude. You know, I'm forgetting some of the other. I want to say how put off was on it. It's been a while since I looked at it, but basically when you look at the resume of the guys who like started this with Tom Delong, which is like hilarious to start it with Blink 182 Guy. But yeah, that's so crazy. They're all attached deep in into the intel community which certainly should be taken with a grain of salt. And a guy like McCaslin is certainly not separate from that. He has being in charge of places like Wright Patterson, being in charge of the. I forget the term for it but like the Air Force Armory Station or whatever out in Segundo, you know, some of the other places that he was overseeing, like when he was overseeing projects related to JPL at NASA like or least protecting the intelligence of that I should say Forrest Gump of the last 40 years of places involving weird potentially happening. And that has to be said. So I did say there's. There's an article in there about the seven Chinese or whatever it is missing scientists. That was another thing I wanted to hit. You know, when you see guys like McCaslin disappear, when you see potentially these Chinese scientists disappear, it's not like even if McCaslin isn't as surprised he was when he was 35, the guy knows where a lot of bodies are buried. Unless he can't remember anything. He's very targetable guy. Monica Reza, who at one point, at least one point I think it was actually two points they overlapped McCaslin and her. This was a serious physicist. She disappeared as well out there who oversaw a lot of projects that have certainly a lot of intel and maybe some things that you don't talk about it definitely some things you don't talk about at Dinner parties. But this article from also from the Daily Mail. Chinese military scientists have been dying mysteriously as 11 nuclear and space experts die or go missing. At least nine scientists have mysteriously died in China as speculation grows over the deaths and disappearances of 11American scientists. In many of the Chinese cases, the causes of death are recorded as accidents, sickness or unexplained incidents. And while these explanations appear straightforward, individually taken together, they are drawing increased scrutiny. One of the most puzzling cases is that of Fang yang He, a 38 year old defense technology professor who died in July 2023. He had reportedly been working on on simulations related to a potential Taiwan invasion before his death in a late night car crash in Beijing, Newsweek reports. Official accounts state the Fang had been leaving a work meeting when the crash occurred around 2:35. But speculation grew after his obituary described the scientists of having been sacrificed while performing official duties, wording that some observers found unusual for what was described as a traffic accident. Further attention was drawn by his burial in a high profile cemetery typically reserved for national figures. Such honors are rarely associated with standard accident cases. I also do want to add China is a country where even their billionaires like Jack Ma, if they say something wrong with the government or do something wrong behind these things with the government, they disappear because the CCP does have full control. Let's keep going. There was another scientist as well that they were really highlighting here. Go down deep. I want to want to read it. Many of reports point to at least nine similar deaths Chinese scientists in recent years. Many of them were working on highly sensitive fields including military artificial intelligence, space defense and hypersonic weapons. All stuff that other countries are going to be very interested in. Among them was Zhang Xiaojin, a space expert who died in a reported car accident, also a car accident in December 2024. Chen Sherming, a specialist in microelectronics, also died in a similar incident in 2018. So this is really making a bigger timeline, which should be noted. The bigger the timeline, the higher the probability of of coincidence. That is true because there's a lot of scientists and a lot of scientists working on a lot of important stuff and we're talking about guys who are all, I'll say allegedly dead. They're not disappeared so far. Chemist Xiao Zhang Wei passed away in December 2023 with no official cause death disclose. Other cases included Yan Hong, who died after an illness, and Fang Danning, who died following what was described as an unexpected medicine medical episode abroad. They both worked in the field of hypersonics. Meanwhile, drone expert Zhang Diabing and data scientist Lou Dong Ho also died under circumstances that remain unclear.

Steve (90:39)

It sounds pretty straightforward and clear cut if you ask me.

Julian Dorey (90:45)

At first look, me too. At first look, me too. Weird. It's weird.

Steve (90:50)

Nothing like an unexpected medical episode.

Julian Dorey (90:53)

Nothing like an unexpected met. You know, Kim Jong Un brings on a lot of unexpected medical episodes. You know, they find a way to. They hit you with something.

Steve (91:01)

He's also like the greatest golfer ever, whoever lived.

Julian Dorey (91:05)

Right. I think he shot like a 40. He's like perfect score. Yeah.

Steve (91:09)

That's impressive.

Julian Dorey (91:09)

It's very impressive. Impressive. It's got a man of many talents. Apparently.

Steve (91:13)

A hug from the Supreme Leader would fix everything.

Julian Dorey (91:16)

I guess so.

Steve (91:17)

I know it would.

Unknown Advertiser (91:18)

Yeah.

Julian Dorey (91:19)

I'm going to look at this some. It's weird. We'll talk about it. We're talking about it. But don't lose focus of what's up front. One last thing to close that Wall Street Journal wrap up Trump WSJ report. You see that down there? We pull this up. So I mentioned this at the beginning. I wanted to hit this. This is, this is a summary from Mario Nafal. I'll read this and give a few thoughts. The Wall Street Journal just dropped the bombshell report on the inside story of the Iran war, the key revelations Trump used to call the Middle east blood and sand and wanted nothing to do with it. Then Netanyahu gave him a persuasive February briefing in the Situation Room, backed by repeated calls from Lady Lindsey Graham, and Trump changed his mind. He thought it would be as easy as Venezuela, which is in line with what a couple sources of mine said before he did it. Trump was in awe of the scale of the bombs, watching clips of explosions every morning. But he did little to sell the American public or the war, and grew frustrated when he didn't get praised for it. His own team showed him midterm polling to prove the war was dragging down Republican candidates. Who could have guessed that? He quickly began ruminating on how the military action could turn into a catastrophe. Catastrophe on the straight. Trump told his team before the war that Iran would likely capitulate. Before closing the straight, his advisors were caught off guard. The tanker traffic stopped so quickly. Trump later marveled at the ease with which the strait was closed, saying, a guy with a drone can shut it down. How about that? By late March, before the F15 was even shot down, Trump ordered his team to find a way to start talks. The war was already over in his mind. Weeks before the ceasefire, his aides begged him to stop doing impromptu interviews because he was contradicting himself publicly, he agreed to stop, then went right back to calling reporters. The April 1 address to the nation was Susie Wiles idea to reassure the country Trump had a plan. Trump didn't want to do it because in his own words, he couldn't declare victory and didn't know where he was going. The report paints a picture of a president who was talked into a war by Netanyahu and Graham realized it was a mistake within weeks, spent the rest of the conflict looking for the exit and was frustrated that nobody would give him credit along the way. The war was an impulse sold by an ally with different objectives, enabled by advisors who couldn't say no, and sustained by a president who was too proud to admit the mistake until the economy forced his hand again. If he gets up and leaves, this war takes the accepts the chips that have been stupidly put on the table as gone, but doesn't try to throw good money after bad. I will appreciate something over nothing if you will, but when we are looking at the economic ramifications of this and the potential questions of like, oh my God, is the petro dollar going to be the petrol yuan now? Because of all the problems with the Straight, as bad as Iran is, we didn't have the issues with like the Straight of Hormuz fucking closing

Steve (94:15)

on and

Julian Dorey (94:15)

off, if you will, until we did this. And this is what I've talked about with the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 10th order effects, we have created problems where they didn't previously exist because we decided to play world police and the moral superiority police. And unfortunately, the world does not work that way. I don't like when there's tyrannical governments to kill their own people and harm other people. I hate it. Said that a million times till I'm blue in the face. I have no love for the Iranian regime, but like we have on a hornet's nest because unfortunately, in a country of 93 million people, we have now more entrenched, arguably that government. And this, this is not. You're trying to go on their land, on their home turf, which is very, very geographically protected, I might add. Not a good strategy. I hope this ends. I did appreciate Trump saying that no one should be able to use a nuclear weapon. And he said directly, like, I'm not planning on using nuclear weapon on a run. That was a great take. I appreciate that. Took long enough. But listen, I'm calling balls and strikes around here. I will appreciate it if the president ends the war and tries to mend some economic fences. Not the least of which is our Gulf allies who have been the most affected by this I as collateral damage, I would say, and who should have been consulted a lot more. I know there's a lot of reports about MBS telling from Saudi Arabia telling Trump to do this. That's a separate issue. All those Gulf states surrounding Iran whose security is directly impacted by this, you know, not a good look diplomatically, diplomacy wise, but that's what I got for this week. I told you I was struggling today, Deef. I hope that went okay.

Steve (96:12)

I don't think you struggled, pal. I think we just saved the world again.

Julian Dorey (96:16)

That's what we try to do.

Steve (96:17)

We saved a week in a row.

Julian Dorey (96:18)

We saved the world here in Hoboken. But thank you to all of you as always who are subscribed. If you have not subscribed, please subscribe. We are doing these episodes once a week and we are also putting out two to three full three hour guest episodes each week. I got some more heat coming for you with Dr. Julia Mossbridge and then I'm still deciding who's coming next this week. But thank you, everybody. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace.