#419 - “Complete FAKE!” - Erika Kirk, Bioweapon COVERUP, Elon Musk & $39 Trilly BOMB | Clint Russell

Summary

Julian Dorey Podcast #419: “Complete FAKE!” - Erika Kirk, Bioweapon COVERUP, Elon Musk & $39 Trilly BOMB | Guest: Clint Russell
Release Date: May 8, 2026
Host: Julian Dorey
Guest: Clint Russell (Liberty Lockdown podcast)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Julian Dorey is joined by libertarian commentator and podcast host Clint Russell for an unflinching, detailed conversation that weaves through suspected political assassinations, bioweapon cover-ups, the central banking system, US foreign policy, technocratic elites, and the future of the American experiment. The conversation is driven by a deep skepticism toward government and institutional power, with strong calls for transparency, truth-seeking, and media independence. The tone is direct, at times irreverent, and consistently challenging toward mainstream narratives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Erika Kirk Case: Political Assassination and Suspicions (00:38–10:46)

• Discussion launches into the suspicious assassination of political figure Charlie Kirk and the involvement (or lack thereof) of his widow, Erika Kirk.
• Clint expresses discomfort with repeatedly covering the story, torn between empathy for Erika (if uninvolved) and skepticism at the oddities surrounding the case.
• Forensic inconsistencies are dissected: weapon type, failure of trained dogs to find the murder weapon, strange timing and character behavior ("You don't wait an hour on the tarmac if your spouse is fighting for their life." - Clint, 03:07).
• Both note the media push to shut down discussion, comparing it to historical political killings in the US: "Every high-level political assassination in American history is never the story we’re told, ever. But this is the one time we’re not allowed to question it." (Clint, 04:26)
• Motive theories: Focus on Kirk's ideological shift away from pro-Israel stances, public desire for release of Epstein files, and his warnings to his team he feared for his life.
• Candace Owens and Dave Smith are referenced as public questioners of the official narrative, and as victims of establishment pushback (08:40–10:05).

Memorable quote:
“We just had the Epstein cover-up and you tell me to shut up about the highest-level political assassination of my lifetime?” - Clint (07:13)

Key Segment: Motives & Cover-up (09:10)

• Timeline linking Kirk’s donor base, outspoken criticism of Israel and the Gaza war, and assassination (09:10–10:05).

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2. Power, Ideology, and Historical Parallels (10:26–12:10)

• Theorizing about groups leveraging fear to drive migration or national loyalty (Jewish migration to Israel, power structures using their own people as pawns).
• Discussion of the Balfour Declaration and the realpolitik behind the formation of Israel: "It was promised to the Turks, maybe the Egyptians, but nobody cared about the Palestinians who were already there." (Clint, 11:06)
• The hosts agree that power, not possession, truly shapes history.

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3. The COVID Era: Bioweapons, Fauci, and Statute of Limitations (12:19–17:30)

• Rand Paul’s push to prosecute Fauci for lying to Congress as the statute of limitations expires—described as the “smallest charge” he could face.
• Clint asserts Fauci “funded a bioweapon” via illegal gain-of-function research, highlighting US offshoring of research to Wuhan after US bans.
• Pandemic-era economic policy is slammed as the “largest transfer of human wealth in history,” with references to quantitative easing since 2008 and the inability of young people to participate in asset ownership.
• Personal stories: Clint’s experience as a mortgage broker during the 2008 crisis, witnessing firsthand the “radicalizing” human cost of central bank policy.

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4. Central Banking, Market Bubbles, and Wealth Inequality (19:12–34:42)

• Deep dive into the mechanics and consequences of fiat currency and central banking:
  • Inflationary policy benefits the already-wealthy; debasement destroys the middle class.
  • Government intervention during the COVID shutdowns prevented the “market signals” that would have created visible public pain and anger.
  • Ron Paul’s prescient warnings about the housing bubble in 2005–06 are revisited.
    • [Notable clip:] Ron Paul on housing bubble ("there’s a limit to how long the monetary charade can be perpetuated... now it looks like the international financial system built on paper money is coming to an end.") (31:04)
  • Comparison of real market pain after government malfeasance (“When the government does bad things, the economy should hurt… but the government now basically wrote itself a blank check.” – Clint, 23:13.)

Memorable quote:
“There’s a huge swath of Republicans who just love the fact that we kick the shit out of people all over the world and they think it makes us superior. I think it’s a very weak existence.” – Clint (105:52)

• Effects on the younger generation: inability to afford homes, decades-long inflation of asset prices, and growing rage at a rigged system.

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5. AI, Tech Bubbles, and the "Great Transition" (37:55–49:46)

• Clint predicts the current AI investment bubble will lead to massive malinvestment, paralleling the early blockchain/crypto hype.
• Clarifies: not a technophobe; thinks AI will change everything, but the scale of investment is inflated by easy-money policies.
• Elon Musk’s warnings about 2027 as a “point of no return” for humanity and AI are discussed, referencing his Lex Fridman podcast statements about “a transition, not a catastrophe.” (46:23–48:31)
• Eric Weinstein’s “it’s over” meme about 2027—AI and elite tech control—cited as growing mainstream anxiety.

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6. Government, Corporate Power, and Censorship (49:47–60:39)

• Extensive critique of government-corporate collusion: “It’s actually more in alignment with the fascism described by Mussolini—it’s the embedding, the wedding, of state and corporate power.” (Clint, 28:10)
• Elon Musk and Peter Thiel discussed as complex figures: both beneficiaries of government contracts/intelligence agency funding, both ideologically ambiguous.
• Censorship during COVID—both as a tool to suppress dissent and as evidence of governmental paranoia. Clint shares his story of being repeatedly suspended from Twitter/YouTube for criticizing official COVID narratives.
• Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire’s fall discussed as the inevitable result of ideological rigidity, specifically over unwavering support for Israel: “If you weren’t being censored... you weren’t even close to being right about shit.” (Clint, 57:30)

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7. Foreign Policy, War, and American Priorities (61:00–101:58)

• Strong arguments against U.S. foreign aid and permanent war, especially concerning Israel and Ukraine.
• Economic and human costs of “defending Christian holy sites” are mocked as justification for enormous expenditures.
• Detailed breakdown of American defense spending: "We're talking about an astronomical amount of money… that's the real cost of these alliances." (Clint, 73:10)
• Yemen and other overlooked war zones cited as evidence of selective media and political outrage—deliberately ignored compared to Ukraine/Israel.
• Libertarian approach to war: philosophy as a "lighthouse," with war as a truly extraordinary last resort, "Revolution is our birthright." (Clint, 80:35)
• Emotional cost of endless wars: suicide epidemics among veterans, loss of genuine trust in American institutions.
• Clint and Julian agree radical changes (e.g., third parties) are nearly impossible under current duopoly due to ballot access and media monopolies, but see hope in shifting media landscapes.

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8. US National Identity, Media, and the Power of Independent Journalism (116:20–162:39)

• An extended dialogue on how independent media is overtaking gatekeepers and propaganda outlets:

  • "Growing up is realizing that a mass layoff at the Washington Post is the exact same thing as a mass layoff at the Daily Wire. Progress." (Clint, 115:00)
  • Importance of not becoming a mirror image of MSM: "I catch myself having to stop from… assuming the opposite of anything the mainstream says must be true." (Julian, 117:08)
  • A call for honesty and humility from independent journalists; respect given to Tucker Carlson for publicly owning past mistakes—contrasted with ideological rigidity elsewhere.
  • The dangers of information suppression and the rise of AI-driven panopticon control structures.

• On generational responsibility:

  • Boomers criticized for shortsightedness; hope expressed that Gen Z and Millennials will course-correct.
  • Clint worries many well-intentioned young people have been co-opted by green and “woke” agendas that actually foster technocratic dominance.

Memorable quote:
"You should not adapt to being robbed to fund the death of innocence worldwide… Even if it's the historical norm, even if it's everything you've ever known." (Clint, 98:04)

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9. Reserve Currency Crisis, Petrodollar, and the Coming Storm (157:58–161:21)

• Strait of Hormuz as a crucial global trade point: control by Iran threatens the petrodollar system.
• If the US Dollar loses reserve status, "all those trillions will come flooding back home... you have hyperinflation and a complete death spiral of our economy." (Clint, 159:20)
• The hosts close by urging listeners to focus on root issues—currency and power—not surface-level social debates.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Clint (on motives for political assassination): "I can’t connect those two dots and be like, all right, we got a nation that assassinates people willy nilly, and then we’ve got a guy in America who gets assassinated, and he’s taking donations from these people that expect him to maintain these talking points. And then he stops doing that. And you’re like, A, B, C. Don’t you? Say D?" (68:34)

• On Covid-era censorship and independent media: "If you weren’t being censored or suspended or whatever in 2020, 2021, you weren’t even close to being right about shit." (57:30)

• On technocratic control: "They believe a revolution is already subdued, that we can’t successfully rise up. I doubt it… but ten years from now, they’ll probably be right." (43:54)

• On the reserve currency and the Strait of Hormuz: "What that means is the death of the US Dollar as the reserve currency of the world. That means all those trillions… come flooding back home when they have no purpose abroad. That means hyperinflation and a complete death spiral." (159:20)

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Notable Timestamps

• 00:38–05:41: Erika Kirk case, strange assassination details, media control.
• 09:10–10:46: Motives for Kirk’s murder, donors, text messages, “connect the dots.”
• 19:12–21:11: Central banking, mortgage broker experience, libertarian roots.
• 23:13: Markets, government intervention, and personal economic consequences.
• 31:04–34:42: Ron Paul’s 2005 warnings, replayed and discussed.
• 46:23–48:31: Elon Musk’s 2027 warnings, decline of human autonomy.
• 57:01–60:05: Personal stories of censorship during COVID, Daily Wire’s decline.
• 73:10–76:10: U.S. defense spending, alliances, and true cost of foreign policy.
• 80:35: Revolutionary principles—libertarian response to war.
• 115:00: Layoffs at propaganda outlets as “progress.”
• 122:14–122:49: Media control, AI, and new mechanisms of power.
• 157:58–161:21: The petrodollar, Strait of Hormuz, and threat of hyperinflation.

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Conclusion: Takeaways & Final Thoughts

• This episode is a sweeping indictment of American power structures: from central banking to foreign policy to the media, Julian and Clint urge listeners to “follow the money,” demand transparency, and reject official narratives that conveniently serve the interests of the elite.
• They underscore the urgency of a coming economic reckoning if the U.S. Dollar’s reserve status collapses (“it is coming”—Clint), and argue that the unity of ordinary citizens is crucial for change.
• They celebrate the rise of independent media as a counterforce to legacy propaganda but urge new voices not to fall into tribal partisanship or ideologically blinkered narratives.
• The message is simultaneously grim about near-term prospects (“we’re running out of time”) and optimistic about the growth of independent thought and the ongoing information war.

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This episode is essential for those seeking a skeptical, liberty-focused critique of the status quo, and for anyone who wants to understand the intersection of finance, geopolitics, emergent technology, and the crumbling narratives of institutional power.

Transcript

[Clint]

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[Deep]

Looking like a real Erica Kirk in here today.

[Clint]

Oh, this is how we're opening.

[Deep]

This is how we're opening up, how

[Clint]

we're gonna do it. Yeah, man. Look, I didn't kill my husband and this is why I'm wearing elite level Sniper George.

[Deep]

Oh my God, man. I've stayed out of a lot of that obviously because, like, it's one of the more controversial, talked about things. But you know, there's just no doubt at this point something is extremely off there. What it is, how deep it goes, I don't know. I, I couldn't tell you. I'm not the guy investigating it. Like, other people are like Candace Owens and some of the people have really looked into this. But like, I mean, you know, the eye test, the eye test is like, come on.

[Clint]

Doesn't smell good, that's for sure. Look, I've done, I don't know, probably 10 episodes on this topic at this point. My audience would love for me to do infinity episodes on it, but it's like I, I'm genuinely uncomfortable about it because, yes, if she is genuinely not involved, which I think there's a very high probability that she's not, the worst thing you could possibly do is just be dunking on this lady left and right. Even though she's got like the primary chops of, I don't know, a potato or something. Like, she's just not good at what she's doing. And it's just tragic that she's been put into this position on top of losing her husband. Even if she wasn't involved, just making her the CEO of this major organization. She's just so ill equipped for it at this point. But anyways, I less. Less about Erica, more about the actual attack. I mean, have you, have you dug into it decently?

[Deep]

Started to a little bit because we, I mean, the story does not add up in any way, just even like at the beginning before you get to the details of who, what, when, where, how, like they made it a federal case. This is a kid who was in state who came in state to do an in state killing right there. That should Be like, all right, why'd they do that? And then you get to the.

[Clint]

Did they make it federal?

[Deep]

They made it because Cash Patel was coming in there and like the feds were investigating it.

[Clint]

Yeah, you're right. But they, they brought the charges at the state level.

[Deep]

Right.

[Clint]

And the feds bowed out. So I think it is.

[Deep]

They bow out.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, they, like, they did that press conference, but as far as I know, the charges are being brought by local DAs. It's, it's all local. So like the sheriff's office is involved. So I agree with you. It's very interesting that like Patel, he had that big jacket controversy where he had to get the, you know, ladies medium before he get off his plane. But then you've also got a lot of weirdness with like Erica allegedly waiting on the tarmac for Andrew Colvett to arrive, when she's allegedly prepared to go to the hospital to see her deceased husband. And she waits over an hour. It's like these are just things that you don't do. You don't do, you don't do. I mean, straight up, any, anybody who's, even if you've just had a significant other, you don't even have to be married to know if they are in jeopardy. There's nothing that's going to stop you from getting to them.

[Deep]

That's right.

[Clint]

Immediately. So I don't know, man, it, I've, I've studied it a lot. I mean, just go down some of the things. I mean, the 30:06 angle makes absolutely no sense. I'm not some professional hunter or anything, but I've shot a lot of guns and. Sorry, I don't buy that. Then on top of that, you've got this. 3006 which gets dismantled. Excuse me. It's a Mauser 98, fires 30 06, gets dismantled, left in the woods over there, they have a, they have a gun dog, like a, like a sniffer, Right. Walks right past it. This is the alleged murder weapon. Just got shot, just got fired less than an hour prior. And you've got a trained dog that doesn't spot it. But, but it does get spotted after the feds arrive. I'm just saying, I'm just saying. And then, and then add it into it. The fact that every assassination, like every high level political assassination in American history, it's never, it's never the story that we're told ever. But this is the one time, this is the one time that we're not allowed to question it.

[Deep]

And it's another one that's on video too. And now it's in the modern era. Unlike Kennedy, where there's only one angle. We have all these different angles. They had the camera rigged up behind him as well in like 4k that I think. Did I see that Candace Owens got a hold of some of that footage?

[Clint]

Yeah, she did.

[Deep]

I'm not making that up. So she actually got that. And it looks strange. And look, because a 30, again, I'm going off of the really smart gun guys that know a lot more about that than I do, but most of those guys that I've either talked with or heard break it down, who I don't know online, they're like, it would have blown. It literally would have taken at that distance, his head off of his neck. There would be nothing left. Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you.

[Clint]

I'm not sure that it would have actually done that, but it would have done enough damage that it's not what you see there. Like, I mean, from, from the rear view, you can see his body shake, obviously, because he is struck with something. But just the fact that that round doesn't penetrate is shocking beyond belief. I mean, the neck, it's not even angled at his spine, first off. It's angled at his. His neckline. You would think that it would have just gone through and through, but it didn't. Which is why a lot of people believe that there was a charge underneath his shirt with the microphone. I'm not so sure about that. That was kind of my original hypothesis. I've come off of that now, but I'm. I'm still very much open to all ideas. And then, then really, you know, once you. Once you study his evolution, ideologically, politically speaking out against. You know, October 7th was when he really started to get a lot of hate because he. He went on PBD and he said it very, very boldly. He's like, I'm not buying it. I've been there. I've been there. Patrick. I think he said something like that.

[Deep]

You see how he said it too. He, like, I'm gonna use it. I'm gonna use word. Like, he was. He was really struggling with.

[Clint]

I remember that well. And because he knew. I mean, he knows he's not supposed to be saying that. Yeah. But he also knows that it's so obvious that he would be lying. He'd be a liar if he didn't at least point it out like you've got, in my opinion, probably the most highly defended or defensible border in the world next to North Korea. And you got dudes on paragliders coming across like Ewoks and spending hours taking out people before you have any serious military response. How crazy? How is that even possible? So Charlie Kirk just asked the obvious question. He didn't make an allegation, he didn't say it definitively, but he was just like, this doesn't sit right with me. The same thing that a lot of us are doing when it comes to his own assassination. Right. And I think that's the honorable thing to do. I don't think it makes you a bad person is why I've been a defender of Candace Owens and, and Baron Coleman. I've, you know, been had him on my show. I like, like the guy a lot. I think these are genuine people that are very inquisitive and they're, they're digging for the truth. It doesn't mean they get everything right. And I wouldn't go about it the same way that, you know, some of them have, but I appreciate it because I don't trust the FBI. Why would I? I don't trust the local sheriff's office. Like, what are we talking about? Why do we trust any of these people? We just had the Epstein cover up and you tell me to shut up about the highest level political assassination my lifetime. I can't assume a guy who was getting funded by Israel, donors to the tune of massive amounts. Massive, massive. And he flips on them publicly, says, I want the Epstein files released. He says, I don't trust the story with October 7th and then, and then he dies 60 days later. And I can't, I can't connect those dots.

[Deep]

Absolutely, you should be able to connect those. And that's. That was the thing. You know, I'm similar. I don't know if you were referring to Candace, but I never have been a huge fan of Candace's style on how she does things. It's just me. It's a different taste. I've talked about that in the past. But the fact that she was drawing some lines between all of the buildup, specifically in what you said and especially the last 60 days.

[Clint]

Yep.

[Deep]

Be it what he said to Dave Smith for an hour conversation off camera before that debate in July, I think with the Josh Hammer guy. Be it the meeting in the Hamptons, that was certainly strange to say the least. Be it the donors pulling money like you said two days before, you know, walks Like a duck, quacks like a duck, fucks like a duck. It's usually a duck, you know, or at least it has a good chance of being a duck or a demented fucking goose. I don't know.

[Clint]

Well, and then, then you also have his text messages.

[Deep]

Yeah, Exactly.

[Clint]

In the 24 to 48 hours prior, he's sending both to his security team saying he thinks he's going to get taken out, they're going to be killed. Is Candace has alleged this repeatedly. And then you also have him basically doubling down and saying, I have no choice but to abandon the pro Israel cause. He says it's 48 hours before he catches a bullet. And we're all supposed to be like, no connection. You're a lunatic if you think there's a connect. He was being funded by massive Zionist donors, both American and Israeli. And then 48 hours prior, he says, I, I'm out. I can't do this. And he dies. It's. It's the most obvious motive that exists. I'm sorry, it is. That's not, that doesn't mean that that's why or how he got murdered. That doesn't mean that. But if you're not going to allow the public to at least have that discussion, you're just lying to them. Like, they have to be able to discuss that. So that's why I like Candace points

[Deep]

sometimes they want it. They, you know, people that are very strong, hardcore pro Israel people kind of want to create that narrative to where it's them against the world because then it creates some sort of synergistic bond, which is a up way of doing it, to be very clear. But do you ever wonder if that's the point?

[Clint]

I think about that a lot. Yeah, I think about that a lot when it comes to the lead up to World War II as well. I mean, a lot of people believe that there was a real desire to get Jewish people fearful so that they would move to Israel. I haven't studied it enough to make that claim definitively, but

[Deep]

that's the thing. You get powerful people in any group who decide that they're above everyone else, they'll use all their own people to start with as pawns completely. And we've seen that in history again and again. If that were the case with something like that, where there were even some small role that some people could have played to try to create an end mean or an end goal like that, then that's dark. As, I mean, it's hard because they, they let, they let millions of their people die for that?

[Clint]

Well, yeah, it's. It's evil beyond words. But I mean, this is not. This is not pure, you know, armchair conspiracy theorizing. You have the Belfor declaration. I mean, you have the most wealthy Zionist banking family, the Rothschilds, that are essentially being offered this land as. As recompense for being the financiers in the World War. And they got their country. And the crazy thing is, is that it was promised to, I think, the Turks and maybe the Egyptians. That land mass was promised. It's like no one even cared about the Palestinians that was there already. I mean, it was just crazy. But, I mean, that's. That's how you. I think that's really how the world works, though. It's not. It's not so much about, you know, they say possessions, 9, 10, the law, like, it is, like power is 9, 10 of the law. Really?

[Deep]

Yeah. That other 10th is a big 10th, right? You know?

[Clint]

Yeah, that's the. That's the real 10th. That's the one that counts.

[Deep]

Yeah. Some. Some Covid math. 10th. Yeah, if you will.

[Clint]

Oh, speaking of, Rand Paul said that we've got, I believe, six days left until the statute of limitations runs out on Anthony Fauci for lying to Congress.

[Deep]

Really?

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

Oh, that's going quietly under the radar.

[Clint]

Yep.

[Deep]

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[Clint]

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[Deep]

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[Deep]

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[Clint]

Max, I wouldn't even known if he hadn't posted about it today and yesterday.

[Deep]

But see, that's the smallest charge, too, of charges you could or should bring against that guy.

[Clint]

No kidding. Crazy. Yeah, I mean, imagine. I don't know if I can safely say this. You can beat me if you need to. Deeply.

[Deep]

I mean, I think we crossed that bridge about 10 minutes.

[Clint]

Yeah, that's true.

[Deep]

That's true.

[Clint]

Fair point. To me, this has all been rather

[Deep]

tepid, but, you know, listen, I'm just a YouTuber. What are you going to do?

[Clint]

Look, I mean, Fauci obviously created a bioweapon. He funded a bioweapon. I'm not saying that.

[Deep]

The gain of function stuff.

[Clint]

Yeah, the gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Like that was banned under Obama. Yeah, it was banned. It was illegal. And he still found a way. DARPA even rejected that funding program. They thought it was too dangerous. And then it was. It was. It was banned domestically, so they were forced to offshore it. And that's the reason it ended up in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. But that work began in Canada. It began in the United States. I mean, it is a decade plus long program and Fauci was in charge of that for those decades. He's been basically in that position since the 80s or something crazy like that. So he knew all of it. I mean, to believe that the guilt, the highest level of guilt that Anthony Fauci holds is that he lied to Congress. You got to be out of your fucking mind. Like, he's responsible for the death of millions of people. He's responsible for the transfer of the largest amount of human wealth in history. Like that's what the lockdowns were. They transferred trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars from the poor and middle class to the wealthiest amongst us. And it hasn't stopped. It's still tilting further away because young people can't afford houses. And that's not changing. And that's because the currency was debased because of the spending bill that they passed in 2020.

[Deep]

And then you think about everything that happened in the 1112 years before that, quantitative easing and just inflating away the currency before you get to a huge moment like that where they go, you know, I used to have this quote that I didn't invent. Someone way smarter than me invented this, but I would repeat it all the time when I worked on Wall street and was talking with people about money. I'm like, the really shitty reality that you learn is that it takes money to make money. So you just go back to 0809 financial crisis, for example. Look at the people who recovered by 2012, 2013 and were doing okay. Those are people that, yeah, they lost a lot of money percentage wise on the way down, like everyone, but they had enough of a nut to start with. They didn't lose their whole 401k and have to start at zero and then be able to make nothing in the twilight years heading into retirement.

[Clint]

Well, I came out of college in 08, right in the teeth of the recession. No shit. Yeah. And I was a mortgage broker, so I was actually responsible for liquidating foreclosed assets. So I saw the absolute worst of it and it was terrible. Liquidating foreclosed assets, which is AKA kicking people out of their homes and selling them to re recoup the lender's money.

[Deep]

What's that like having to go up to someone, you have a job to do, right? Someone couldn't pay their mortgage, the home is now no longer theirs according to the contract of the bank. No matter how unfair this is, and the system certainly was unfair in a way, but like, what's that like being a 22, 23 year old kid and you got to walk up to some family and be like, yeah, you're going to leave.

[Clint]

It's awful. I mean, it's awful. Obviously I still like particularly because I work for a private lender. So the people that were lending out that money, they were retirees. Like this wasn't, this wasn't conventional lending where you had a, a banker that might take a loss or a haircut. You know, these were like retired people that if they don't get their money back, they may starve. You know, so I had, I had a fiduciary responsibility to them to make sure that I defended their capital. So as bad as it made me, as bad as it made me feel to have to, you know, get the sheriff to come kick people out periodically. Usually people would agree voluntarily to leave. But anytime it went down to the wire like that, it felt terrible, felt awful. But really what it did to me was it radicalized me against central banking because I saw firsthand the human carnage that it creates.

[Deep]

Can you explain that more like what about that in particularly made you so radical against the central banking?

[Clint]

Well, because central banking is kind of a nebulous concept for most people. You know, you don't actually see the homeless person created by.

[Deep]

Yes.

[Clint]

The fiat process. Right. This is, this took the theoretical kind of Austrian school, which is what I come from, in a libertarian vein and it, it just made it very real to me.

[Deep]

So you were already libertarian at that time?

[Clint]

Yeah, coming out of second gen libertarian. My dad.

[Deep]

Yeah, that's awesome.

[Clint]

So very, very rare. My dad actually ran for Congress twice in the 90s in, in San D. He didn't win obviously because he ran as a libertarian. But yeah, I knew about Ron Paul in the 90s, I was a big Ron Paulian guy. And then when the Ron Paul revolution came about, I was just like, oh my God, this is incredible. It's happening. Didn't actually happen, but there was a moment there. I think Thomas Massey's next guy, but maybe we get into that later. But anyways, the thing about the central banking is like so I understood very, I understood kind of intuitively what happens when you debase the currency. But I didn't understand, you know, experientially I didn't actually get to like feel it, see it. And once I saw it it was like, oh man, this is not, this is not theoretical anymore. Like this is a really big deal and, and it's the, it's the lowest amongst Us, the worst off amongst us that suffer the most as a consequence of the monopoly that is central banking. And then I started to do the studying into what created the bubble. And then you can watch Ron Paul's videos. Maybe you can drop one in here.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

From I think 05.06. He's, he's warning about the, the real estate bubble and he's explaining very explicitly that it's all a product of maintaining interest rates too low for too long, which is what the Fed chair, I think it was Bernanke at the time. Yes, Was, was guilty of. And, and he became chair, I want

[Deep]

to say, in 07. Maybe I made that up. We should check that.

[Clint]

But yeah, he was the chair when

[Deep]

it was going on.

[Clint]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, during the collapse. I know it was Bernanke, may have been Greenspan. Regardless, they're all guilty of the same thing. But point being, you keep rates low that long. And then that was even prior to the QE concept. Like they weren't really debasing the currency heavily pre 08. It got crazy after 08 and we thought that it could never get any worse. Little did we know that would be the least printing that we've seen in the rest of our lives. Because as soon as 2020 rolls around, we start printing to the tune of, you know, trillions. So it's. And I think that the bailout in 08, which was the biggest economic crisis that I thought I'd live through, was 800 billion. We're now doing that during peacetime, during positive economic times. We're doing more than that today. It's bonkers. It's insane.

[Deep]

You know what I can't get over? I remember when I would follow the markets when I was in college, like 2014, 2015. And it would make sense when the economy took a step back, if there'd be a period where gas prices went way up or things like that. The stock market, maybe not lockstep day by day, but it would follow in percentage points because it was still at that point somewhat air quotes representative of the real economy of real people. What you've seen since COVID and you actually saw it by the end of March with COVID when the stock market took the big bump up and no one could lose. Is that the stock market? To me, and I'm just saying this from 30,000ft in the air without going into specific details to get myself in trouble, but it has decorrelated from the average man's economic interests.

[Clint]

Exactly.

[Deep]

Case in point, right now, gas is sitting at fucking six bucks a gallon. Whatever it is, it hurts. I mean, you go to the fucking gas station, I'm like, holy shit, filling up the tank. Yet the stock market is up right now, right? Because the people that are most participating and who have bought the largest percentage of it and have the biggest opportunity to make money are the people who that affects the least because they got private jets and it costs a little more, but their interest is going to pay for it.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, and here's the real dark aspect of this, is that a people may not like this, that they should. If they understood economics properly, they would love this. When the government does bad things, the economy should hurt like that. That actually if you're functioning in a healthy way, if the government decides to lock down the global economy, there should be rationing and extraordinary pricing and all sorts of crazy things, because that's the market trying to adapt to the intervention that the government has forced upon us. But the government has now basically written itself a blank check where they passed. I believe it was 4 trillion in spending in 2020 that it was basically just put a bull market into what should have been a depression. Yes. I mean, that's, that's so psychotic, I can't even put into work. And, and then it also, because it, it buoys the system. It makes you feel as if things are better than they really are. You don't understand how, how much of a price you're ultimately paying. So it, it allows for the righteous anger that should be directed at our Congress, at the president, at our local governors who were the real, you know, dictators when it came to the lockdown portion of things. It allows for them to get away with murder. And sometimes literally. Yes, because the, it disconnects the causality. It makes it so you don't actually see that, hey, I can't eat because of these lockdowns, like, which is what should have happened. And it's, it's unfortunate because they're smart. I mean, there's one thing you got to give them credit is that they, they know how to get away with, you know, the largest transfer of wealth in human history and the death of millions. And, and we all just move on like it never even happened.

[Deep]

You know, there's. There was this book in 2018, I've talked about a bunch before, since the beginning of recording the podcast earliest Episodes. But Steven Pinker wrote Enlightenment Now. You know, obviously Pinker gets. Because he knew Epstein like seemingly every person at Harvard. But the book nonetheless is a very interesting concept and really good because Basically what he's doing is he's making a case overall, not in like five year periods or ten year periods, but just over the past, I forget it's been a while, but maybe the past 3,4000 years of human history just measuring basic metrics around the world globally of like statistics about the quality of life that people have, could be sustenance, access to water, access to housing, whatever. And every chart, it's not like they go like this over time, they go like this, but they go up and they go way up. And his point was that we're in some moments right now where it doesn't feel, feel like things are the best they've ever been. Yet statistically, overall they are. And we have to fix a few things. But to his credit, one of the things that he was extremely concerned about, that I think about literally once a day, every day, is he, he went and pulled this chart basically from the beginning of the 1980s on that I'm going to oversimplify right now because I don't have it in front of me, but essentially was showing the death of the middle class. It showed a giant V form slowly at first, and then wider and wider as the years went on. When it showed the wealth gap between maybe it was like the bottom 97% in the top three, something like that. And when you see that, you realize that these, you know, these inflationary type, they're not laws, these policies they put in, if you will, willy nilly, these, these are the things that caused us. That's like the common denominator.

[Clint]

That's, that's the most important point right there. This is what all the socialists in America get wrong, is that they, they see income inequality and they say it's capitalism. Every libertarian looks at income inequality and they go, well, is it naturally derived income inequality that's based off of effort and a meritocratic system, or is it income inequality that's being created because of central banking, because of cronyism, because of adjacency to the government, proximity. And the answer is obviously the latter. The income inequality is created because if you want to be the richest people on earth, even Elon, who I've got a lot of respect for, he's the richest man in human history because of his government contracts.

[Deep]

Yes.

[Clint]

Like he's not where he's at without that, right? Not to say that he wouldn't be very wealthy and very successful without going down the government contractor route, but let's just be honest, you're right, he's not the richest man in human history if he didn't do that. And, and that's the same thing with almost Every major Fortune 500 company. They've got some sort of government contract or some sort of intelligence agency tie going to the MQ Tel. The funding that starts many of these corporations from, I mean, yeah, Palantir, by the way, their first and only client for many years was the dod. It's like, oh, that's, that's a private corporation.

[Deep]

Nothing to see there really.

[Clint]

But yeah, this is, this is what's creating the income inequality is that it's just, it's just like, it's actually, it's actually much more in alignment with the fascism described by Mussolini that it's the embedding of state and corporate power or the, the, the wedding of the two.

[Deep]

Yes.

[Clint]

And I think that's really what we're living through. And this is not to say that I'm anti capitalism. I'm not. I'm arguing that this is not capitalism, that we're doing it wrong. Like you can't even have a free market. You can't have proper market signals as long as you have a fiat currency. It's just nonsensical. Obviously, if you have a capacity to undermine and print, you know, at infinite infinitum, you're never going to be able to get a proper, proper market signal. And it that the ripple effects that that creates through the rest of the economy, that's ultimately why I shut down my mortgage company, by the way, is that I recognize that I could no longer forecast into the future properly because I was like, this is all bullshit.

[Deep]

When, when was that? What year did you shut it?

[Clint]

2020.

[Deep]

Whoa. I mean, you remember, obviously you were in it like the housing market boomed of people just buying houses and, and value going up at the time that the world should be taking a shit, like you said.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, that's why I got out, because I thought the world should be taking a shit.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

Because if you shut down, I mean, people forget this, but we shut down like half of the economy.

[Deep]

Yes.

[Clint]

I mean it was extraordinary. So in a regular free market system you would have. I mean, it should have been a depression, but at minimum a severe recession. Severe. The most severe we've ever experienced, far surpassing 0809. But we didn't get.

[Deep]

That would have been a depression then.

[Clint]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it should have been. Yeah, but it, but it wasn't because they, they printed 4 trillion and they tried, they tried to pass it without a vote. Thomas Massie was the Only guy, the only congressman that, that stood up. Oh, I don't remember that summer of 2020. He said, he said, I like I stand in this room today to make sure democracy or something like that doesn't die in darkness. It's profound if he wants to pull it up. But he. They were trying to pass the largest spending bill in human history without a vote.

[Deep]

How does that even work? That's like against the Constitution completely.

[Clint]

Well, it was because of lockdowns. They had special rules that were in place.

[Deep]

Oh, never let a good crisis go to waste.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, they didn't.

[Deep]

Oh, that's why we got to talk about that FISA thing later. Just made me think that real quick. Deep. Before we play the Massey one, can we actually play the Ron Paul one that Clint suggested? This is Right. So this is Ron Paul in like 05 06, basically calling what happened with the housing market.

[Clint]

Yep. He. Oh, so it's the year prior.

[Deep]

Yeah, right before.

[Clint]

I mean, but he had been doing it for 0506 07.

[Deep]

All right, let's see this. The Federal Reserve.

[C]

Instead, Congress chooses to blame the analysts for misleading investors. The analysts may not be entirely blameless, but their role in creating the bubble is minimal compared to the misleading information that the Federal Reserve has provided with artificially low interest rates and a financial market made flush with generous new credit at every sign of correction over the past 10 years. Yep, by preventing the liquidation of bad debt and the elimination of malinvestment and overcapacity, the Federal Reserve's actions have kept the financial bubble inflated. Of course, it's an easy choice on the short run. Who would deliberately allow the market tendency to deflate back to stability? That would be politically unacceptable. Talk of sound money and balanced budgets is just that. When the economy sinks, the rhetoric for sound policy and a strong dollar may continue. But all actions by the Congress and the Fed will be directed toward re inflation and a congressional spending policy oblivious to all the promises regarding a balanced budget and the preservation of Social Security and Medicare trust funds. But if the Fed and its chairman, Alan Greenspan have been able to guide us out of every potential crisis, all the way back to the stock market crash of 1987, why shouldn't we expect the same to happen once again? Mainly because there's a limit to how long the monetary charade can be perpetuated. Now it looks like the international financial system built on paper money is coming to an end. Modern day globalism since gold demise dollar

[Deep]

with all other currencies.

[Clint]

You were too young to to really understand what he was saying back then,

[C]

I bet, Redistribution, management of wealth through the imf, the World bank and the WTO promoted this new version of globalism. This type of globalism depends on trusting central bankers to maintain currency values and the international institutions to manage trade equitably

[Deep]

while bailing out weak. Yeah, he's cooking. There's a lot on the bone there. But what he's saying has now played out on an exponential basis compared to when he was saying.

[Clint]

Right, because he was, he was giving kind of a shorter horizon warning. And he, mind you, for the audience's sake, he was right. A year later, he absolutely nailed the timing on that. But it's only gotten much worse. And thank God Dr. Paul's still with us. But this is why he's such a, like, almost deified figure in our movement, is that his predictions based off of our philosophy and our ideology, they've just been proven right time and time again. You know, compare that to the Fed's predictions and prognosticating and see who's got the better track record. I assure you it's the Austrians. So that's. Anyways, you know, because I come from this school of thought and I went into the mortgage field, you can understand the confluence of those two factors in my life, how, how formative that would be to see the human carnage that it creates, already understanding the kind of duplicitousness that, that is central banking from its inception.

[Deep]

Right.

[Clint]

And already rejecting that kind of on a fundamental level. But then to actually, you know, see the human pain is just like. Oh, I mean, it takes you from theoretically hating to, like, being radicalized.

[Deep]

Well, you're also paying, you're, you're actually paying attention to it, even if you're not living in the middle of, like, Kensington, Philadelphia. Like, you understand what this is because you've clearly, for many years, you saw it up close with the, with the housing crisis, for sure, like, literally at the front doors. But like, now you track what that does to the rest of society and the people on the edges, which is most of us, by the way, as far as, like, not being in the one. And it's almost like that concept, it's so dark, but it's completely true. What you say about these guys will just make these decisions because they don't have to look or they don't have to go visit about how it affects people downstream. And it's all the same every time, whether you're talking about bankers who just on a Tuesday have some meeting with 13 of them in a closed room and be like, yeah, let's make rates fucking 5% instead of 3% today. And then, you know, 100 million people or 100 people commit suicide a week later because of that. For some reason, because it affects their life and they lose, lose their job. They don't feel it.

[Clint]

No.

[Deep]

Anthony Fauci says wear your mask from behind a desk somewhere talking to Anderson Cooper on CNN while they have death counters on the side. And then people lock themselves inside, they become drug addicts because they have no purpose in life. And they lost their job and lost everything. He doesn't have to see that death, but he's, he is a, he is an indirect cause of it in a way. It's the same story every time.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, I would even argue he's a direct cause.

[Deep]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Clint]

You know, like it's, the causality is challenging to, you know, prove in a court of law.

[Deep]

Right.

[Clint]

But it's very hard to argue that, that there wouldn't, that there aren't inherently going to be trade offs. When you lock down the economy, when you make children, social distance, the psychological effects are still, are still being felt by that generation. I've got two younger or half brothers and they, I mean they were, I think they were graduating high school in 2020 or they were like juniors or seniors. I mean, it up that whole generation bad dude. And like, I don't, I don't think that they've recovered honestly. And I don't think we really felt the, the consequences from that intervention. But really the, I mean, the other really important thing to, to note is that because the currency is predicated off of, as you said, those 12 guys sitting around the table. It's worse than that really because they set interest rates, but they also add to the currency supply too periodically. But the, the paradigm that that creates is that because you expect your purchasing power to diminish annually, it requires you to deploy capital into riskier and riskier assets. That, that's what Dr. Paul was talking about with mal investment. So if you don't allow for the economy to ever correct, which is what they, they did in 2020, it should have been a major correction. It creates more and more mal investment. And I would argue that the most rife market for malinvestment at this current junction is going to be AI and people are going to look back on this and I promise you I will look like I'm Ron Paul a few years from now because yes, there will be a winner or two, but there is going to be trillions that are wasted in that because bubble. Yeah, exactly. It's going to be the 01 collapse.

[Deep]

And I totally agree.

[Clint]

It's just a given. It's a given.

[Deep]

Yeah, it's. It reminds me of a way bigger version of like the whole 2017, early 2018 blockchain buzz. Just stick blockchain on it.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

What does it do? Don't worry about it.

[Clint]

Yeah. They don't even know. They don't have a fucking.

[Deep]

They got no clue. And it's like, you know, there's some sort of use case for this. That's great. But most people are like, blockchain this, blockchain that. You're like, yeah, I feel like that's like fair dust, you know?

[Clint]

Yeah, well, and just to, you know, clarify, I think AI is going to revolutionize the world in a lot of ways that are very positive in a lot of very, very scary ways.

[Deep]

Yes.

[Clint]

So I'm not saying that it's like,

[Deep]

oh, I know exactly what you're saying.

[Clint]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just wanted to clarify because, like, I'm not, I'm not like, oh, AI is way overhyped and it's not going to do much. Like, no, I think it's going to change fucking everything. But that doesn't mean that all these investments are prudent. And it doesn't, doesn't mean that these investments would be getting made at the scale that they are if not for their adjacency, their access to capital, thanks to central banking. So the mal investment, the bubble that it's creating is going to hurt a lot of people. And it's just a story that we live through over and over again. But the real, the real key that I keep trying to get back to is that because you expect your currency to be debased every year, it forces you to invest. What's the one thing that has kept, like particularly the boomer generation, above water? Housing. That was the one thing that they were able to get access to, to turn all of these middle class or upper middle class people into the upper, upper class, oftentimes because they bought a home for $40,000 back in 1975 and they retired in 2020 and they're, they're millionaires. This generation can't fucking do that. They can't, they can't get a starter home where, where I'm from in San Diego, starter home, 750 fucking thousand dollars.

[Deep]

It's insane.

[Clint]

Like, you got to be, you got to basically be a millionaire to get a home to try and keep your head above water. So this is why Dr. Paul is really right. Now that, as you said, that was 07. This is almost 20 years later. It's way. We're way longer in the tooth now.

[Deep]

Pure spec right here.

[Clint]

Sure.

[Deep]

But if I wanted to long term control population and society, I would inflate away money to the point that people would not be able to own anything and that children themselves would be a financial decision. That would be the number one way I would do it.

[Clint]

Well, pure spec, you're right. That's exactly what they've done. I believe. I believe that that's exactly what's happening. Especially when you tie into kind of the World Economic Forum, a lot of the rhetoric that comes out of those.

[Deep]

I'm a big fan of those people. They're great.

[Clint]

Yeah. Just trying to keep your YouTube channel alive.

[Deep]

You. Klaus.

[Clint]

Yeah, right.

[Deep]

He's not even there. Allegedly. I think it's. I think his spirit's still there.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, he. Yeah, he. He got such bad pr.

[Deep]

Well, he left. He left his vegan daughter behind. Like, she's still there.

[Clint]

Oh, I didn't even know that.

[Deep]

Yeah, yeah, she does something, we can look it up. I'm not a fan of the Schwabs, but.

[Clint]

But, you know, the point I was getting to was that the World Economic Forum, like a lot of their speakers, they talked about that pretty openly.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

You know, population bomb, or like, the. The dangers that come with population increasing and just everything. Everything that goes along with the fiat system requires population increase because it's all based off of, you know, Social Security. All these things are essentially Ponzi schemes. If you don't have as many or more people paying into them annually to maintain the benefits to the people who are no longer paying into it, well, then the Ponzi ends. Yes, naturally. Right. So you have these people who believe that the population must decline, but simultaneously want central banking to, you know, dictate everything. And it's like, all right, well, then the only conclusion I can come to is that you're trying to starve and destroy us.

[Deep]

Yes.

[Clint]

Because that's the inevitable conclusion of. Of these dual actions that you're taking.

[Deep]

Here's what I don't understand, Clint. And it goes back to a similar point we were making earlier about what is the point of all this? Like, why would you do this stuff? But look, back in the day, the wefs of the world, they met in their private Davos retreats. There weren't even paparazzi allowed there, let alone rolling cameras. Now they put rolling cameras everywhere to even catch, like, the Indian, like, huddle dances and shit that they have in between their breakout sessions. And they say these things almost like turning to the camera and saying it right there that they know are gonna get clipped to shit on social media so that millions of people around the world can see. But they still say it. They still do it openly. Like, I don't know if that. If it's like some sort of 5D chess thing or if they're literally saying, yeah, you know, you. We're gonna do all this and you ain't gonna do about it. You're even gonna know about it, but you're not gonna do about it.

[Clint]

Right. Well, you can read it a couple ways, and I. This is actually what I think about all the time, because I'm. I'm not sure, but you can go down the. Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson wrote, like, these are demonically possessed people. That's. That's a distinct possibility, as crazy as it sounds. But, like, it's so irrational what they're doing, and it so obviously puts a target on their back from the masses as they wake up to what's happening. Like, it's very dangerous what they're doing to just be, like, out in the open. Like, yeah, we want you to have less kids. You know, it's like, you're my enemy, dude.

[Deep]

Right?

[Clint]

As soon as you say anything close to that, you're. You're not just my enemy, you're my mortal enemy, like, forever.

[Deep]

Yep.

[Clint]

You're trying to end my bloodline.

[Deep]

Yes.

[Clint]

That says that's genocidal. I mean, that's genocidal rhetoric. Right? And they say so proudly. So the fact they say so say it so, you know, brazenly makes you conclude either they're demonically possessed, they're ideologically possessed, clearly. Or this is the. Probably the scariest option is that they believe that they have the Panopticon in place.

[Deep]

The Panopticon?

[Clint]

Yeah, the. The technocratic Panopticon. It's basically a control structure that controls everything. That the AI interface is paired with robotics and surveillance and everything else. That they believe that a revolution is already been subdued, that we. We cannot, like, we can't successfully rise up. I doubt it. I doubt that they're right about that. But I would say. I would say 10 years from now, they'll probably be right about that.

[Deep]

Well, here's the issue that I think about, because I don't know the answer, but, you know, you look at the research of people like Annie Jacobson, when she was writing books about DARPA a decade ago, you know, in people that she talked to. They were telepathically talking to Dolphins in 19 fucking 92. When do you think they got their basic chat GPT? 95. You know what I mean? Which means if they had it in 95, are we just already living through their fucking hellscape simulation right now? We don't even know. It's like we're just video game nodes. And like Claus Schwab's like, fuck these people from the Men in Black suite. Like, what are we doing, man?

[Clint]

The programmer's got a sixth sense of humor. If we're already in this, I guess so. Look, it's possible. Elon even said he's like, odds, odds favorite.

[Deep]

I don't like how he says that.

[Clint]

No, I don't either. But he's right. I mean, if there's ever going to be one that exists, odds are that we do exist in it already. I just, I kind of. It's like my belief in God. I choose, I choose to not believe that. I think it's. I like that. It's very nihilistic.

[Deep]

I agree.

[Clint]

So I'm just like, I reject that. No, thank you.

[Deep]

Yeah, I feel like, and this might sound dumb, but like, if it were actually all for nothing, I wouldn't want to know because I wouldn't live my life the way I live it because it's like the life is the coolest thing ever. Like, it's just the coolest thing ever. And I would rather live in that one respect in some ignorant bliss.

[Clint]

Bingo. Yeah, that's, that's exactly how I view it. And I think that's how like any healthy ideology has to take that into consideration. Like, even if certain things are true, does accepting them and making them your outlook actually benefit your life?

[Deep]

Right?

[Clint]

And it's like, maybe simulation theory is true, but it's not going to make me fucking happier. It's not going to make me more productive, that's for sure. So I'm just like, no, not going to do it.

[Deep]

Have you seen some of these guys, like the Elon's, what they've been coming out and saying in recent years about, you know, 2027ish. You see any of this?

[Clint]

Well, go ahead and refresh.

[Deep]

There's a tweet I gave deep. Do we have it? So this, this was a rehash of some things that Elon said in Alex Friedman interview. And there's something in the suite where they say some lines were Deleted. I don't know if that means he like YouTube editor it or something, but if you go to the top deep just Want to After 2027 there will be no way back. Elon Musk said this in a podcast with Lex Friedman, a line that was later cut. When asked why, he fell silent for almost a minute.

[Clint]

That's a scary minute.

[Deep]

Then he quietly said, shout out to Lex for letting him sit there. With that though that's pretty heavy. Then he quietly said, it's not a catastrophe, it's a transition. The transcript left behind three themes that gave him away Autonomous intelligence, loss of meaning, and energy independence. It all sounded like a forecast, but now reads like a diagnosis of the era. The first sign is the collapse of attention. Must said humanity will stop thinking in cycles. Planning for the future will shrink to the horizon of updates. That line hits me hard. People will spot will stop building and start simply replacing. MIT research confirms a generation born after 2000 holds attention for about eight seconds. Less than a goldfish. I used to say that to Alessi, but he's gotten a lot better now. Musk called this cultural Alzheimer's. We're not losing memory, we're losing the ability to think. The second sign is artificial intelligence that no longer obeys. Musk says when a system starts correcting humans, that time of linear logic is over. Even now, algorithms decide who we date, what we buy and what we think about. This isn't a machine uprising, it's dissolution into convenience. People won't notice the moment when choice becomes an option, not a right. The third sign is energy dependence. Must explain civilization can no longer survive even a day without electricity. By 2027, here it is. In his view, the balance will shift. Energy will become currency and control over it will become power. From that moment on, everything non autonomous will disappear. This isn't an apocalypse, it's a change of biological form. At the end, he said a line that didn't make it on air. Technology is stronger than us, but not smarter. As long as we have meaning, we are alive. Lose it and we become code. Then after a pause, he added, we must learn to be human before systems learn to be gods. Are you ready for the transition or already living in a world where choices are made for you?

[Clint]

Dude, those are some banger lines.

[Deep]

I know. There's another clip that's going around of Eric Weinstein, who I've never met. I never know what fully to make of him. He's like so close to Peter Thiel and all that, but he's on with Diary of a CEO, I guess, in an interview in like the last year. And it's like a funny delivery because it's like, I guess, Stephen.

[Clint]

Oh, you're talking about the it's over clip.

[Deep]

Yeah, yeah. Where he's like, I got this line for people.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

They say, I'm moving to Nashville. It's over. I'm moving to San Diego over. Austin, over. He goes 2 years, 20, 27.

[Clint]

Yep.

[Deep]

Get ready.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

I'm like, dude, what are you saying?

[Clint]

You're.

[Deep]

You sit next to Peter Thiel. What the are you saying?

[Clint]

I know. Well. And you think Elon doesn't know Teal as well?

[Deep]

That's what I'm saying. He knows him very. They go all the way back.

[Clint]

Well, and then, then add to that. I know. I know Brett pretty well. Brett Weinstein to Eric's brother.

[Deep]

Yeah, yeah.

[Clint]

Love the guy, by the way. He's awesome. But he tragically shares my dire outlook. And I think a lot of this is like, once you see these patterns and you see the people that are essentially dictating these. And by the way, as much as I love that Elon does these rants and gives us these warnings periodically, you have to add to that. Elon is adding to this massively.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

I mean, he's pushing the AI edge very hard. You know, the whole X Grock interface is essentially like self training artificial intelligence that's going to replace us. It's like, it just. It's always fascinating when you have someone who seems, and I, I take him at his. At his word, that he seems sincerely interested in human humanity and survival and, you know, making us interplanetary and all these other great things in his own neurodivergent. Right. But then he's also like, he's. He's also adding to the. Adding fuel to this. I guess maybe he just views it as inevitable. So he's like, I'm better than these other lunatic billionaires that are getting involved, so you'd prefer me to be the guy at the top? I. I don't know. I'd. I'd love to ask him that question because it just seems like he sees all of the dangers that are coming from some of the things that he's creating. But he doesn't stop. And nobody that's involved in AI seems to stop, or almost nobody does. Even though many of them are openly discussing, like, we don't know that we're not creating the Antichrist. Like, we don't know, but we're just going to keep going.

[Deep]

We're Just going to keep.

[Clint]

It's like the fucking Manhattan Project on steroids.

[Deep]

Yo, yo. Yeah, a lot of steroids.

[Clint]

Yeah. Scary.

[Deep]

So did you ever read Super Intelligence by Bostrom?

[Clint]

No.

[Deep]

Heavy read. Came out in, like, 2018. Not a fun read. Important read. He basically, this guy's a genius, and he made a bunch of decision trees of all the possibilities of artificial intelligence. Like, he just went nuts. And one of the lead proponents at a book, and I think it was actually the reason I went and read it, was Elon Musk, his name's, like, in the COVID writing about it because he was warning about AI So much at the time. And this book is a dire warning about the possibilities of AI that aren't good. And I kind of wonder where. When you see stuff like this, where that attitude moved from on Elon Musk's part, moved from fear and let's stop this to, like, acceptance it. You know, that's.

[Clint]

That's the read I get from him, is that he's just like, this is inevitable. So I'm going to try and bring it about in a way that's as beneficial to humanity as possible. And he may be right about that. Like, I just want to be very clear. He's almost certainly more intelligent than me. That doesn't mean he's a better person than me, though. Like, no, we're. We're banking on him being a better person than me, though, because he's going to have a. Of a lot more power than I'm ever going to have. So it's really important that he's actually as good a person as he markets himself to be. Periodically, he. He gives me more reason to have faith in him than Peter Thiel, who, when asked by Duta, the New York Times reporter, you know, do you. Do you think humanity should survive? And Peter Till does that minute long. Minute long pregnant pause that Lex Friedman allowed for.

[Deep]

You know,

[Clint]

if you struggle to answer that question, I don't shoot anywhere near the levers of power. And it kills me because Peter Thiel was a libertarian. And I want to like Peter Thiel, but my God, dude, if you can't answer that question, you.

[Deep]

When. When I was, like, really into the VC space and learning all about that and, like, obsessed with technology and how we were building it, certainly saw drawbacks to it as well, but it was like, wow, there's a lot of cool stuff. You know, he was like, the hero of that space. And then in the last three, four years, when you start to actually look at what the guy's Doing not just in tech, but like, where his opinions are, the people he lines up with, the things they're doing. Even before we got to the Epstein stuff, it was like, damn. I remember reading 0 to 1 and thinking, this guy spit. Now I'm thinking, it's just fucking. I was an idiot. And this is just propaganda. It's hard not to wonder that, like, was he ever a libertarian? I doubt it.

[Clint]

I don't know. I don't know. I mean, then you've also got, you know, Jack, the. The former CEO of Twitter now X.

[Deep]

He's quiet.

[Clint]

He. Well, he's very quiet. But I'm just saying, like, like he. He censored us into oblivion or he permitted it. But then even on that platform, years after, after he's like stepped down, he's posting Rothbard Anatomy of the State and doing all these, like, all these dog whistles to my libertarian brethren. And I'm just like, how. How are you guys? How can you see and like the things that I like and not have had the backbone to fucking not censor us during the most important time maybe ever during the lockdown era. Like, how is that possible?

[Deep]

I got a theory. I've had a theory about Jack for a long time. I'd never met the guy. I'd love to off air, be like, come on, tell me. Yeah, he never would. But, you know, it doesn't change the fact that he was a part of there for so many bad decisions and clearly ended up like, getting it wrong as the guy where the buck stops, at least publicly. But I actually thought that Jack really believed a lot of this freedom stuff and thought that if he would just kind of throw everyone else out in the fire, who was actually the root cause of all the woke, like censorship by acting like he's their friend, people would see it and it was like this 5D chess thing. I don't know if I'm right about that, that. But a good example would be when he had the whole thing with. Where they did the debate with tim pool in 2019. So that was like maybe four or five months or something like that. After he went on. And then people flipped out because Joe, like, didn't ask him some questions. And Joe was like, all right, no problem. Brought on Tim Pool to like rail against everything that was said. And it was basically like, my cousin Vinnie, everything that guy said. And then they. And then Jack hit up Joe and said, yo, let's do a debate on this. But Jack brought that chick, I forget her name now is a really long Sorry.

[Clint]

I think she was the vp.

[Deep]

Total moron.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

Who. And he got to sit there and just watch her cook in broad daylight. Like, I don't mean that in a good way.

[Clint]

No, the only person cooking was Tim. Tim Pool was. Cooked her.

[Deep]

Cooking her like a fucking Thanksgiving turkey. And I'm like, there's no way. Jack didn't know that was going to happen. Happen.

[Clint]

Oh, interesting. So you think he. All right, all right.

[Deep]

I like that he sat back and just let her dry out in the sun, man. I mean, he was just like, you got it.

[Clint]

Oh. I mean, that's what. That's what really put Tim Pool, who's a friend of mine now, he. That's what put him on the map for me, was that moment. It was so great. And. But see, the thing is, like, I. I like your hypothesis. But then a year later, we're in lockdowns and he's letting his platform. Just. Me personally, I suffered a lot. I had to. I was suspended countless times.

[Deep]

You were suspended?

[Clint]

Oh, all the time.

[Deep]

For saying, like, Covid stuff.

[Clint]

Yeah. Talking about, like, the origin story. Talking about the lab.

[Deep]

I came from China.

[Clint]

Saying all the. Right. You know, they're like. They're like, unless you're willing to acknowledge that it came from a wet market, then we're gonna suspend you. It's like, well, it didn't.

[Deep]

You should have done a live stream video eating a bird, saying, this is where I'm gonna get it right now.

[Clint]

Yeah. Well, and then, I mean, I also got. I got triple striked on YouTube. And I only got brought back on because I successfully appealed the last one. And then I let. I literally deleted my entire portfolio, which I don't think actually helps, but at the time, I didn't know that. And. And then I waited 90 days or six months to have the other two strikes fall off. You know, that's the only reason I have Liberty Lockdown today.

[Deep]

Whoa.

[Clint]

I was gone strike for. Oh, God, I can't remember the. All. All of them were Covid stuff.

[Deep]

That's wild, man.

[Clint]

I mean, my name on my show is Liberty Lockdown. Like, obviously, I'm talking about the lockdown.

[Deep]

Right.

[Clint]

I gotta talk about the COVID origin. And I was right about it. So all you. I like. I deserve reparations.

[Deep]

Isn't that wild? Isn't that wild? Like, looking back on that era, the people who were cast aside the most were the most. Right?

[Clint]

Yeah, all of all. I mean, basically, if you weren't being censored or suspended or whatever in 2020. 2021. You weren't even close to being right about shit. Like, not even close. You had to have your tinfoil on if you were going to figure out anything during that period because it was a mass global psychological operation ran against the world. So if you think you're going to get the fucking truth from Fox News or Ben Shapiro for that matter, but I repeat myself, you're not going to get the fucking truth. Sorry. It's just the reality, which by the way, 60% of Daily Wire got laid off. And look, I never want to celebrate on the graves of the working man, but if you were working for the Daily Wire, learn to code, you know.

[Deep]

Yeah, that's cold. Yeah, I mean, that is. There was some guy who did like a very analytical breakdown of the Daily Wire and what it means about on Twitter and what it means about how to build a media brand today versus like building around a personality. And you just see it's. I think he cooked. I think he's 100% right. It's like when you at the top, have a personality, adhere really strictly to something even when faced with facts that maybe would not support that claim and you dig in over and over again, eventually the average person out there who's even just listening passively is going to be like, you're not watching the same movie I am, so I'm not going to watch your TV show. You know, like it's kind of common sense.

[Clint]

Well, and that, that's exactly why, you know, and just to clarify, I think that that ideology, that, that rigidity that Ben Shapiro suffers from is Zionism.

[Deep]

Because I agree.

[Clint]

So if you have that as your core, which so much of corporate news, I mean, obviously, Barry Weiss CBS like that whole, that's same, same rigid ideology. I think that's what creates this phenomenon is that you lose the common man. Because as long as we do have options, as long as we do have your show or my show or a trillion other shows, you are, you're going to get more truth than you're going to get from these ideologues. Therefore, why would you ever go back to the ideologue? So what do they do? Their only response, like it's, you know, white blood cells being produced is censorship, which is what they, they push for constantly. Even though Ben Shapiro made his name by talking about free speech and open dialogue and debating, you know, blue haired.

[Deep]

Not like that, though.

[Clint]

What's that?

[Deep]

Not like that. He was like, like this, but not like that.

[Clint]

Right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. And by the way, it's Been three years, almost since the war on Gaza began. I haven't seen Ben Shapiro debate a single legitimate person about our support for Israel during that war. This is the guy who's like, free speech debate, you know, facts over your feelings, all that bullshit. Right. Dave Smith's been calling him out non stop. I'd, I'd do it. Nobody, he's, he hasn't debated like this insults people. Yeah. And, and I mean, Dave Smith has. I think he's got a larger audience. At least it's comparable at this point.

[Deep]

He's got a way larger audience.

[Clint]

Okay, fair enough.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

So it's like you can't just continue to dismiss all of your, you know, your challengers as being so much bigger than them. I, I know, I know Tucker Carlson's a hundred times bigger than Shapiro at this point. Tucker would do it too. Ben can't do it because I think you can't win that debate.

[Deep]

I agree.

[Clint]

I think that the truth is on the side of the Dave Smiths of this world at this point. And that's why Dave has just, you know, made a career out of crushing these people, because it's like he's got the truth on his side.

[Deep]

He's also. And like, God, even when he, even when he doesn't, he's an unbelievable debater. Like, he's so good with words that there have been some points. I can't think of an example, of course, right now I hate when I do that. But like, there have been some points before where I'm listening to him in a debate and I actually, on evidence, disagree with a point. But before I can even like formulate in my head what I would be saying, he's like six lines past and then dropping like six bars on the other. Damn it.

[Clint]

Well, you know, Dave's a good friend of mine and, and I, I like is I thank God we ideologically aligned because I don't want to debate him either, you know, like, but I don't think it'll ever be necessity or there'll never be a necessity because we just, we agree on so much anyways.

[Deep]

Yeah, yeah, I think, you know, when you talk about the rigidity towards, in this case with Ben Shapiro, like being really pro Israel or something, you know, there's something about it where, when you have so many problems at home and your money is going to Ukraine and then it's going to Israel, it doesn't matter when it's going to all these other places and people in Maui have their whole town burned down and they get 700 bucks and a you. Thank you.

[Clint]

Or I just can't afford a house. How about that? Is that not enough of a reason?

[Deep]

That's, that's plenty of it. I mean, you and I can make a list of a thousand things, right? You know, there's something. You have to have some self awareness if you actually are someone who cares about this country, which Ben Shapiro claims to care about this country, to step back and say, you know what? Even if I feel strongly about something over there, the point people are making to be angry about that here, they're 100% right, because of these problems do exist. But no, he comes out and he says, if you can't afford to live in the town that you grew up in, move away.

[Clint]

Yeah. You don't have, you don't have a right to, to live where you were born.

[Deep]

It's insane.

[Clint]

It's like, all right, look, if, and honestly, if it was like some sound money meritocratic system and, and you just couldn't produce because you're, I don't know, fucking, I don't know why, but you couldn't afford to live there because you're just not willing to put in the effort to buy a house or whatever. It's like, all right, or maybe, maybe there's a reason why that's not what we live in. We live in a fucking oligarchy with the printing press spinning a million miles an hour. And you're going to just tell these people who. And by the way, with a democratic regime which opened the borders as wide as possible and allows for as much demand to flood the system, like, none of this is organic, you should have a, some, a somewhat, it shouldn't be static, but it should be a somewhat reasonable population level that does not explode overnight, which is exactly what happened, particularly in San Diego. I can speak of this very well. And then you also shouldn't be debasing the currency. They were doing both. I mean, these people are so behind the eight ball, it's unbelievable. So it just shows a level of detachment that Shapiro suffers from, and I think that's. That amongst many other issues, is why he's hemorrhaging audience and deservedly so.

[Deep]

Yeah. And, you know, probably we got off this earlier, but it's a good time to bring it up. Of all the things to kind of surface after the fact, that with Charlie Kirk and where his head was at, the one that was most notable to me personally was the conversation with Dave Smith, which went largely under the radar. Dave did an interview with somebody and talked about this like a few weeks later. And not a lot of people talked about it. But what he was saying is, I

[Clint]

think it might have been me when.

[Deep]

Oh, it might have been you? Yeah, because I, I saw like a clip on Twitter of it of him explaining it. So it might have been you. But he was like, subscribe Delivery Lockdown on YouTube. We'll have it right down there.

[Clint]

Lockdown, yeah, check it out. Go check it out.

[Deep]

But you know, he was saying that before he did that debate with Josh Hammer in July, I guess it was like a turning point event or something. He got to spend time with Charlie Kirk, which is something he hadn't really had a chance to do. And so he, I think he said for like 15 minutes they were talking about a lot of books and different people across all different subject matter. And he very quickly ascertained like, wow, like, like Charlie Kirk is a really well read guy. And so he says, like, all right, you're smart. What are you doing here, man? Why are you supporting this so hard, Corey? I know you're not dumb. And Charlie said to him, like, almost like matter of factly and nonchalantly, he's like, listen, man, my Christianity is the most important thing. My faith is the most important thing to me. And the fact of the matter is the Israelis do a great job protecting the Christian holy sites. And if it were like a caliphate or something, it probably wouldn't be protective protected. Now, obviously some of that claim has not aged very well in certain areas, but with respect to things like in Israel, as far as I have heard, like, they actually do protect that stuff. It's not like ripped down like the history of where Jesus was and all that stuff.

[Clint]

But it should, it should be noted that it also wasn't torn down pre1948 when.

[Deep]

And that's another point there. He may, he may be like thinking like, yo, what if, like, I don't know, what if a wreck came in or something? I don't know. But either way, he never once, in that conversation with Dave was defending them on the semantics of the actual government there and the actions taken or the things that they're doing or being in any support of that. He was strictly saying that the whole reason he got behind this, which I can understand at the outset, I guess why he did, was just his personal faith. Okay, fine. But like, he clearly was coming around because now his faith of like, hey, that also means we got to protect innocent people and they're not exactly being protected by them. Maybe that should Outweigh my pieces of history, which are very, very important, to be clear. Yeah, but, like, maybe that's more. Maybe that's where he was getting.

[Clint]

Well, that. That's my whole beef with Charlie, you know, that was. I met him a couple times. We weren't friends or anything, but that was the thing that I would publicly attack him for periodically, was that I know that you're a smart enough guy to see that this is wrong, and I know that you're a principle and moral enough guy to know that this is morally wrong. So what's your excuse, really? And I didn't understand it as well as I do now because of studying his assassination tragically, but I now understand it quite a bit better, is that he was funded. He was funded to maintain this talking point. And he knew that in interacting with Dave Smith, that ain't gonna fly. You can't tell Dave I'm doing this because the money runs out if I don't. Right. So he made the. He made the calculating decision to essentially not tell the truth about some things that he believed in because he wanted to keep TPUSA afloat and he wanted to grow it, and he wanted to be, you know, a player. And everybody makes that. That calculus on their own.

[Deep]

And maybe he was finally turning on it.

[Clint]

Well, and I think he was. And I. I think, as I said, to open this up, I think that's the reason that that's the top motive that we ought to be considering, because especially when you recognize, like, the way the Zionist donors function, it's not a game, dude. Like these. This is a nation. I'm saying Zionist, but, like, Israel in particular is responsible for more political assassinations than anybody else on the planet by quite a bit. So I can't.

[Deep]

Yeah, you can't.

[Clint]

I can't connect those two dots and be like, all right, we got a nation that assassinates people willy nilly, and then we've got a guy in America who gets assassinated, and he's taking donations from these people that expect him to maintain these talking points. And then he stops doing that. And you're like, A, B, C. Don't you? Say D?

[Deep]

Well, they did name a street after him, like, right afterwards.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, they painted murals within hours.

[Deep]

That's right.

[Clint]

That makes a lot of sense, huh?

[Deep]

I mean, they do that a lot now for celebrity.

[Clint]

It was less than a day. You see how big that mural was?

[Deep]

That's. It was a big mural. It was a big mural.

[Clint]

They didn't have fucking murals of Kobe up that fast.

[Deep]

I Was just gonna say they did have murals of Kobe up that fast.

[Clint]

No, they didn't.

[Deep]

Yeah, they did. They were p. They were. That night. They were pay.

[Clint]

Come on. All right, well then, now I have to open up the conspiracy theories about Kobe.

[Deep]

Oh, my God. But you were. You were cooking earlier on the central banking. Currency or on central banking and its relation to currency. And this is something that like, probably since like the beginning of the podcast, we haven't covered a ton. But you're a great guy to talk more.

[Clint]

Sure.

[Deep]

About this with because you were using the term fiat, which a lot of people are familiar with, referring to the types of currency we have. But my friend Matt Kiminash, like, all the way back in episode 43, really like educated people on the history of like the gold standard in this country and how that was, how things were ripped down. Like, you can talk about, of course, the Fed being started at all, but with the Great Depression, it's a prime example of the same things you were talking about today, where shit was so bad politicians come in and politicians have to win elections on a Tuesday in November four years later, so they can't have shit bad on their watch. So they do a bunch of things and say the next guys will deal with it. And so FDR walks into, admittedly the shittiest situation of all time, and he creates all these systems to try to jumpstart the economy and fix it. But in doing that, sets precedents that eventually, as far as I know, maybe, you know, better lead to what was the death of the gold standard officially under Nixon?

[Clint]

Nixon in like 71?

[Deep]

73.

[Clint]

I think it was 73.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

But, yeah, that was when they, they closed the gold window. But look, FDR's programs are basically the entire reason that we're insolvent as a country today. I mean, it's not entirely. That's unfair because the military industrial complex is responsible for a huge amount of that. In fact, our relationship to Israel is responsible for about 10 trillion of our national debt. So. So when people.

[Deep]

10 trillion?

[Clint]

Yeah, you can, you can pull this up. There's a study that was done after. Well, this, this requires you to agree with my hypothesis with plenty of evidence that the global war on terror was fought largely to the benefit of Israel. So if you don't go down that path, then obviously 10 trillion is ridiculous. I personally believe that there's a tremendous amount of evidence to prove out that we didn't go attack multiple countries. That had nothing to do with 9 11. In the immediate aftermath of 911 because we were not doing that. Israel purposes.

[Deep]

Sorry, I think you have a case there.

[Clint]

Yeah, I think I do too. Yeah. You can read a whole lot of books about it and they would lay it out much more eloquently. Scott Horton, good. Another good friend of mine. He's the best on this.

[Deep]

I love watching that guy cook. It's so fun.

[Clint]

He's amazing. But. Yeah, enough already. Time to end the war on terror. He walks you through the entire history of it. It's unbelievably profound. So anyways, yeah, 10 trillion of our national debt. This is why I get so mad. I got it. I got to get this off my chest. I did a couple episodes or a couple episodes ago, I kind of launched a broadside attack against Tim Pool, who, as I say over and over is my friend. But this is my frustration with Tim is that like, if you, if you acknowledge, and I'm way, I'm taking away major sideways street. But if you acknowledge that when Randy Fine is sitting in front of you and he says that, sure, we can have a debate over whether or not we should be given 3.5 billion a year to Israel, but, you know, anti Semitism, blah, blah, blah, blah, that I have a right to be upset with Tim for not actually bringing up the true expenditures that that relationship entails. The fact that the war in Iran is clearly explicitly to the benefit and the defense of Israel admitted by the

[Deep]

US Government and multiple different outlets.

[Clint]

Yeah. Including Marco Rubio. Trump said it himself, Mike Johnson. Yeah, down the line. They all said it.

[Deep]

They put it in the official epic fury.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

Manual thing.

[Clint]

Yeah. It's like, hello, so do I need to then like force your hand, Tim, to say to Randy, well, what about the 50 billion that we've spent on the Iran war so far? Some people say it's 25, some people say it's 50 billion. But if you're going to say, oh, we've only spent 3.5, then, okay, well then let's also add on to that the 30 billion that we've spent that we've added to the 3.5 billion over the past two and a half years that they've been at war with Gaza. That's not three and a half billion a year.

[Deep]

Right.

[Clint]

That's over 10 billion a year. So anyways, it's just. And then you add in global war on terror. I mean, we're talking about a huge burden, an extraordinary burden that you would never ever justify to defend Christian holy sites. Sorry, Charlie, it's nonsense. It's total Nonsense. And if you. If you want to pretend as if you care about, you know, the Bible or any. Or God or anything like that, that how could you possibly. Right. Justify making it impossible for young people in your country to start household formation, to get married, to have kids, you're failing on that regard. How could you fail to speak up as you see tens of thousands of children blown up? Really? Does your Bible say, that's okay, Charlie? No, it doesn't. So this is why I get so frustrated with all these guys. And I oftentimes burn bridges and I, you know, but it's like, it comes from a good place. Like, I. I know Tim. I think he's a good guy. I just want him to be honest about this issue, fully honest about it.

[Deep]

Right.

[Clint]

Because I saw in Charlie a similar dynamic. And maybe that's the reason Tim doesn't want to go down that path, because maybe he suspects the same thing. I don't know.

[Deep]

All right, real quick, let's just take a break. I got a pee, and we'll let the construction out there finish.

[Clint]

Oh, yeah, Perfect.

[Deep]

Then we'll roll. All right, we're back. So def. Actually just pulled up a couple tweets referencing what you were saying. Clint Grok was asked about Trump's tweet, I guess, in 2019, regarding the $8 trillion fighting and policing the Middle east, and confirmed by saying, yes, Trump's October 9, 2019 tweet reference, 8 trillion in Middle east costs. Israel's 2025 population is estimated 9.5 million. So 8 trillion equates to 842,000 per citizen. That's a nice house. Okay, next.

[Clint]

And then, yeah, there goes your starter home, by the way.

[Deep]

That's right. Updating again on Grok. Coming from Grok right here. Updating totals based on latest data, direct USA to Israel from 46 before they were even founded to 2025 is $175 billion nominal, $340 billion inflation adjusted, plus 23 billion since 2000. October 2023, according to Brown University, post 9 11, war costs are approximately 8 trillion for the United States, which if you did combine those two Grox saying, would equal 8.363 trillion. And I think where. Where your case is good if you want to look at all of them under a lens. I would say it's probably a mix of like, some neocons and. And some corruption in America too. But, like, you know, Benjamin Netanyahu has been begging for war with Iran since he could fucking talk.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

On record, this is a Guy who was going to our congress before you

[Clint]

were alive, literally in the 80s, going

[Deep]

in there and saying if you must attack a rock and you must attack Iran, you know, like.

[Clint]

Yep. And by the way, every time you get pushback on this, like Shapiro's of the world will talk about how no, after 9, 11, they didn't want us to attack Iraq. It's very important that people, that they, they always leave out the second part, that because they wanted us to go after Iran, that's, that's what they actually wanted. And then, and then the only reason that they got back on board was because we said we're going to take Iraq and then we'll go for Iran. That's the whole reason that they were okay with it. So just to wrap up the point that I was making about, you know, as I say, my friend Tim Pool like the guy a lot, played tons of poker. Good dude. But look at that chart, you know, look at, look what I'm talking about. We're talking about an astronomical amount of money, astronomical human sacrifice. We didn't talk about the tens of thousands of U. S. Soldiers that died in the war on terror or the thousands and thousands, I think over 10,000 that took their own lives.

[Deep]

Still are.

[Clint]

Yeah, exactly. Every day. And I grew up in San Diego, dude. I grew up.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

Like I spent, you know, the last decade that I was in San Diego in Carlsbad, just south of Pentagon, you know, why can't I remember the name of it? It's been too long since I've been back anyways, where all the marines are at. Right. I played beach volleyball with these guys. I saw the psychological struggles that they went with, the alcoholism that came with it, you know, and these were like good people. I could tell these were good guys. They went over there for all the right reasons and they came back realizing that they didn't fight for those reasons at all.

[Deep]

Yes.

[Clint]

And it breaks them spiritually. So you add on to that the, you know, all of those experiential reasons, but then you add into my, my economics background and you start to really understand the full portrait of why I'm so anti war, why I'm so anti our relationship to Israel, not because I have some deep seated hatred towards Jewish people. It's like absurd because our relationship to this nation state, if they worshiped, I don't know, Zeus, I would oppose it. That's just the truth. And, and it drives me crazy that a guy like Tim, who I like so much, can look at the aid to Ukraine and say 175 billion to Ukraine is insane. And we shouldn't be doing that. We're risking World War III against Russia, and he. And I can sit shoulder to shoulder just screaming it from, you know, from the rooftops. But then when it comes to this, I stand alone.

[Deep]

Yeah, you shouldn't, you shouldn't have to make a distinction.

[Clint]

That's my whole point about the same things.

[Deep]

Now, do you ever. Because you're, you're a longtime pure libertarian. And I think that some of the libertarian financial ideas are amazing in the sense that when, like what they're rooted in, when we talk about central banks and stuff, which we'll talk more about as well. I do want to stay on that conversation at some point. But like, you know, when it comes to the foreign policy, I hate war. I think war should be a last resort in, in every way. But sometimes when I talk with the really hardcore, like, I don't know, radical libertarians, they'll be like, there's, we should have zero relationships around the world and there should absolutely never be a war. And I, I start to think to myself, that feels like, you know, Utopian. Yes, sure. Exactly.

[Clint]

Yeah. Look, I think it's a, it's a fair rejoinder. It's a fair retort that libertarians get oftentimes that, you know, we are pushing what seems to be, you know, storybook endings that aren't based in reality. Look, I think I, I look at it as kind of a, like a lighthouse in the distance. It's not to say that war is all wars are going to be avoided just because I'm a libertarian. It's to say that I think it's obviously pre. Preferable that we avoid wars except for those that are extraordinarily necessary. And that bar should be very high. And I think everyone ought to agree with that. Yes. That before you start taking life in mass, the bar needs to be high.

[Deep]

I agree with that.

[Clint]

And it hasn't been.

[Deep]

Yes.

[Clint]

And that's the problem. So instead of worrying about, you know, the, the zany libertarians who, like, oftentimes, you know, some of them are true pacifists, friend of mine, Bob Murphy, he's an actual pacifist. I'm not. I am a like, founding father level libertarian.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

Like, I think revolution is our birthright. I think it's the reason we exist. You know, so as much as I love Bob Murphy and I love his Christian, you know, pacifism, I'm like, nah, man, there's a time to grab the muskets.

[Deep]

Time Yeah, I like that answer. Because there's a reality to the world, just like you're saying where it's not a utopia. Unfortunately. That said. All right, fucking I'm making up numbers off the top of my head. Trillion dollars to NATO over X number of years.

[Clint]

You know, maybe that might be right.

[Deep]

Whatever it is, maybe we're not getting the return on that investment we should. Maybe, maybe that could be allocated in other places. I'm a huge proponent of making sure that our military is in the best position if that high bar were crossed so that we could go take care of business, spread some goddamn freedom. What I don't like is when they're asking for $200 billion in the first, whatever, five days of the fucking that we didn't need to start. And now they have to replenish all this stuff that they used unnecessarily, which is now just increasing. It takes our defense budget way above where it should be, at a deterrence level versus just an active let's around and play bombs level.

[Clint]

Well, and it's so much worse than that, dude. I mean they're pushing a 1.5 trillion annual trillion dollar spending budget for the military. Yeah, that is, that's more than almost like every other military on earth combined. Like seriously, you could look this up. It's fucking astronomical. One point, look that.

[Deep]

I never looked that up before. That's crazy.

[Clint]

1.5 trillion is so much more than we need to be spending.

[Deep]

Yeah. What did the top 10 militaries around the world spend per year? Let's start there. In dollars, I guess. So it might be more than like the other nine combined.

[Clint]

I think it is, it used to. I mean this is before we were spending a trillion. It was already that.

[Deep]

Here we go. Okay. So the U.S. look at that.

[Clint]

It's like fucking every other country combined.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

Well, I'm keep in mind I'm going off the 1.5.

[Deep]

You're. Yeah. And you're still. Even though the number they have right here is closer to like 1 trillion.

[Clint]

Right.

[Deep]

You're still pretty close to right. Second place, China 336. Third place, Russia at 190. Germany at 114. India at 92. UK at 89. Ukraine at 84. Saudi Arabia at 83. France at 68, Japan at 62. That's the top 10. I think it's more than the other nine combined.

[Clint]

Well, if you, if you go to the 1.5, which is what Trump is asking for now, definitely it's miles ahead of the next closest nine.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

You're right. So. So when I hear someone like you say, yeah, bro, it's fucking insane. So. So when I hear people like you say, you know, I want to make sure that we have a military that's prepared, I just want to really emphasize if you can't be fucking prepared with $960 billion, you're never going to be prepared. All right? So you don't need 1.5. Miss me with that nonsense. It's insane.

[Deep]

Well, because also, we dropped, like, you know, we tested 40,000 bombs on Yemen that no one ever found out about. That went to, you know, 200 billion of that. Oh, poof. Going in the wind.

[Clint]

Well, that was the other genocide we were funding through the Saudis. I mean, people.

[Deep]

Yeah, no one talks about that.

[Clint]

No. What happened to the Yemenis was atrocious.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

I mean, this is. This is how, you know, the libertarians are for real, because we're the only people that talked about Yemen. So this is why I get very frustrated, and this is why I push back against Tim, is because he started talking about Israel. Derangement syndrome. It's like, bro. And he. He always clarifies, I'm not talking about you, Clint. And I'm like, all right, yeah, but, like, take on the argument then. What I'm saying to you is not based in derangement. Like, these are facts. So if you want to argue that you come to a different conclusion after dealing with these facts that I'm presenting to you, fine, we can have that discussion. But please don't dismiss the people that are saying, I don't like seeing. Even if it's just like a. A basic human emotion level. I just don't like spending years scrolling through TikTok and seeing toddlers pulled out of rubble. Right. That's a fine fucking reason to oppose war, too. Do you think that's okay?

[Deep]

Do you think part of it is also like. I think Tim Pool was one of the guys who went and, like, met with Netanyahu or something. Do you think. Because you and I have never been in those rooms, and we're not going to be, nor do we want to, but do you think there's also some sort of. I can't think of a better word to say it's kind of dystopian, but it might be true, like, some sort of psychosis that happens when, you know, you meet a guy like that who's a lifelong talented politician, you're in a back room just having a beer with him or whatever, and he seems like a normal person. And there's some sort of disconnect where a guy like Tim Pool's like, yeah, no, he's. He's not doing a genocide.

[Clint]

Yeah, no, it certainly, certainly is. And I. I can give my own story on this. You know, I met Vivek Ramaswamy, and I spent a lot of time with the guy and charisma, you know, Charisma. Charismatic out the wazoo. Like, just unbelievably impressive human being. I still like him. I still think he's probably. I think he's a very interesting political figure. But it biased me in a way that was like, Right. Bad. Like, it was bad to. To get that level of personal relationship. So I recognize, because I went on his campaign trail because I was doing Tim Cast IRL out in, I don't know, South Dakota or some primary state. And. And I followed him around and hung out with him for a couple days. And. And I also, I debated him at the Libertarian National Convention. That was very strange moment. You can drop in one of my lines from that if you want, but it was awesome. I got my first standing ovation in my life. That was very fun. That's cool. Yeah. But anyways, the point that I'm making is that especially at a high level, politician is going to be charismatic. So if you meet with them and you build a relationship, it's going to be very hard to. To stay impartial. That being said, I can't imagine staying across the table from Netanyahu and being like, no, no, you're right. I get it now. I was wrong about all this. You know, like, I can see Trump, you know, star dazzling me or something, but I can't see Netanyahu doing.

[Deep]

Yeah, I have to, like, I have to try to figure out if that is some root cause. But the other thing is, the thing we're talking about where it's just a topic some people for some reason, are still, like, afraid to say something bad about.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

It's like, listen, dude, even if you solved for whatever it is, call 50 of what you see, AI, there's still another 50 out there. And it's what you're looking at, bro.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

You know, and when I have. When I even have, like, some boomers now hitting me up, asking me about this, that's when you know.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

You know, and they'll believe anything.

[Clint]

We've broken containment.

[Deep]

But, yeah, it's breaking some containment where they're. Where my mom's like, what the is going on here? She's a basic human.

[Clint]

Same thing. With my mom. Yeah, we've been having these guys conversations recently and I think I'm red pulling her too fast. She's a big fan of the show. So.

[Deep]

Shout out Clint's mom.

[Clint]

Yeah, Dina. Hi mom. But yeah, it's, I think, I think more and more, you know, like I said earlier, like the facts are on our side here. Like our relationship to Israel is a detriment to our country. And that doesn't mean that we need to be their enemies and immediately go invade them or something crazy. But like we need to recognize that, that our national interests, our self interest as a human population needs to be paramount. And if you can't, if you can't get any. If there's any single politician in America who won't say that and mean it and follow it up with action, they should be charged with treason. That's how fucking seriously I take this. You are violating your oath to the constitution, your duty to the American people, your duty to your constituency. Randy. Fine. I'm talking to you, you fat fucking.

[Deep]

He sucks.

[Clint]

He sucks. And almost all of them suck though, Julian. Almost all of them suck. So this is my point.

[Deep]

We gotta, you're not yet.

[Clint]

Listen, we gotta get serious about preaching to the choir.

[Deep]

Yeah, I'm with you on that.

[Clint]

I just get, I just get a little bit hyped.

[Deep]

No, I, I know man, it's. It's like there's just something about whether it be like Brian Mast wearing a IDF uniform, floor of the U. S. Congress, like, come on man, I don't

[Clint]

play any of that.

[Deep]

It's not. I don't care who it is. If it were a Great Britain uniform uniform, I'd be really upset about it. It doesn't matter, you know, and this is where I've had some mind numbing arguments, frankly with people on both sides of the equation, whether it be someone who's really anti Israel or really pro Israel, to where they'll try to talk with me and they want me to just hone in on one thing. So I'll give you an example here. Someone who's like a really hardcore pro Israel person will be like, well, because you're looking over at Israel over here, and what about China, what about Iran and all this? I'm like, yeah, no, them too. Listen, I've been pound. I've been pounding the table about China forever. Them too. It's everyone, anyone who's not in the interest of my fucking place, them. And they look at me like I have 10 heads. Then I talk to someone who's like, really anti Israel. And they want to focus everything on Israel. I'm like, yeah, no, China's a problem. And they're like, what the are you talking about, bro? That's fed slop. I'm like, oh, all right, dude. Well, and it can be a lot of things at the same time.

[Clint]

Well, it is and it is. I mean, but that's, that's my whole point, is that, you know, I was. The whole reason I, like, first got put on the map, other than railing against the lockdowns, was. Was my rants that I would do on Tim cast IRL about the Ukraine war. So, like, this is why Tim can't do the derangement shit with me because it's like, you know, I'm not deranged because I did the exact same consistent. Yeah, I did the exact same rants against our relationship to Ukraine when it came to, you know, what amounts to a proxy war, World War iii, between the two largest nuclear powers in human history.

[Deep]

Which is still happening.

[Clint]

It's still fucking happening. Exactly. Like, I don't talk about it all that much because it's like it seems as if we have at least stopped funding and arming them to the tune of what we had been, but the fact that it hasn't ended is so dangerous.

[Deep]

And there's all these. And, you know, it's the people that are used as pawns on both sides of the equation. It's all these people dying in the millions. We looked at this with Catching Schultz. That was a couple months ago. It was. The casualties were at like an estimated 1.8, 1.9 million.

[Clint]

Right. Yeah, well.

[Deep]

And population control. How about that?

[Clint]

Well, yeah, I mean, you can go down a real tinfoil hat avenue on that. I'm not confident on it, so I won't.

[Deep]

But don't worry, blackrock's rebuilding it, so it'll be fine.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, exactly. But I mean, this is, this is why I'm so anti war is like, these are just, these are just catastrophes on scales that are really hard to fathom. And I think unfortunately, once you get to numbers that high, it just, it detached. Like, you can't. You must detach emotionally because otherwise it'll break you. Like, I think people can just barely hang on with the Gaza stuff. And that's, you know, the numbers are obviously very hazy, but it's at least 70 or 80,000. Some people say it's astronomically higher. I'm not going to pretend to know.

[Deep]

But even, even if it's there, it's Horrible.

[Clint]

But. But just the. The key thing to. To tie these two together. I oppose both because both are me being robbed to fund a military in the death of innocence on a scale that is unspeakably evil. And it's just like, why can't we unify around that?

[Deep]

I agree.

[Clint]

Why can't we just say that?

[Deep]

It's like, I agree. So, Dave, can we actually google the latest funding for Ukraine from the United States? That's a great question. Yes. Because we don't. We don't even talk about this right now. Now.

[Clint]

Yeah, I know. We've sent them 175 billion. I don't know what we're doing today.

[Deep]

Yeah. When the last one was or how much, they probably shoved it in some fucking bill this big.

[Clint]

Yeah, there could. There could be recent spending, I'm not sure.

[Deep]

May 2026, the US has authorized 800 million in military aid for Ukraine under the fiscal 2026 National Defense Authorization act. So that's just this year.

[Clint]

That's. But that's paltry compared to what we were spending.

[Deep]

Right, right. But it's still. I mean, it's still 800 million, like, yeah, you know, whatever. Ashtray money intended for the Ukraine security assistance initiative over 26 and 27. This includes 400 million in funding intended for new weapons from U. S. Companies. Got to take care of those donors. Very, very important.

[Clint]

And this is what the neocons will use as a defense of this nonsense. Yeah, they go, we're not giving Israel money. We're giving money to defense contractors to then hand the weapons to them for free. It's like, don't play with me. You're giving them.

[Deep]

We're creating jobs.

[Clint]

Yeah, that's what they say.

[Deep]

That's what we're.

[Clint]

It's. It's broken. Broken glass fallacy writ large.

[Deep]

Do you. I mean, we're coming up, ironically, in the middle of all this, obviously on the 250th anniversary of the greatest experiment in human history right here. I take it, based on what you said earlier, you're a guy who studies the revolution quite a bit.

[Clint]

Not as much as my friend Josie, but I know a decent amount.

[Deep]

Yeah, those. I'm obsessed with it. Always have been.

[Clint]

Okay.

[Deep]

I think it's the coolest thing ever, but it just blows my mind. Like, obviously, like everyone else, they were imperfect. And there's some mistakes. There always are. But, like, the prescience that those guys had from start to finish, from just making it happen to then setting it up afterwards. How unbelievable.

[Clint]

And Just to have this confluence of, like, the way I view it was like these were like polymaths. I mean, you got some of the most. The most impressive human. Most impressive and courageous human beings to come together all at the same time. It's just like, I mean, this is what brings you down, kind of a spiritual thought process as to how this country even came to be. Is this like, how could you have that confluence of that brilliance and that courage coming together and throwing off the shackles of the largest empire in human history at the time? How is that even possible? The odds were so stacked against them, and they did, they did it. It's amazing.

[Deep]

It's incredible. And like, you know, it makes you think, though, when we talk, when we look at some of the dystopian things that are being attempted to be set up not just here, but around the world right now. And the difference back then is people had to wake up and they had to survive that day. They had to go make their own food.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

You know, literally produce it out in their yard, tend to their livestock. You know, you couldn't just go from one place to the other place in two minutes. It might take two days. So all the simple fridges.

[Clint]

They didn't even have fridges.

[Deep]

And so people were aware of where everything came from because they had to create it. And now in our society, starting with myself, all of us, we don't have that.

[Clint]

So when we're looking guilty of that.

[Deep]

Right. So when we're looking at revolution, it's like the revolution is televised eyes because we're sitting there watching it in a way. You know, sometimes I. I wonder if that's. You kind of said something like this earlier, but that's how it's set up so that people will be put in such a position that they don't have the. Not the impetus, but they don't have the inner drive and wherewithal to pull it off.

[Clint]

Well, I'll be honest, that's. That's kind of the conclusion I came to after the lockdown era. I mean, if there was ever a time in my life that a revolution was justified. Sorry, that was it. Like, you shut down all of the mid and low tier businesses for months. You said you shut down churches in the south, churches. And there wasn't a revolution. Like, think about how crazy that is. So now granted, people were propagandized. People were buying into the narratives, and people eventually woke up from those narratives. And I hope that that means that it'll be harder to do it the next go Around. But I think that that adds to the gravity of the argument that people are already cowed that we are already incapable of recognizing an existential threat to our liberty and being willing to do what our founders would have demanded of us, pleaded of us. Yeah.

[Deep]

There's moments that stand out for everyone from that era. I'm sure one of them for me is, like, probably about four weeks in. I think I had moved back a week before. Maybe I was talking with my dad one night because I was living in their house at that time, and he just said he got back from the food store, and he's. He's like, people have totally adapted. I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, all these precautions, all these things. Wearing gloves, wearing masks, going straight to your car, not talking to people, going home, not even thinking about going to an office or anything. That's not for basic survival. They've just done it. Like, we're all a part of it. Like, I walked out there and I realized I. I was already used to. Took a few weeks. It's like, that's crazy.

[Clint]

Not for me, but I. I agree. I mean, he's right. That. That. That was. It seemed to be kind of a universal adaptation. I didn't adapt. I was. I was.

[Deep]

You're practicing sniper training.

[Clint]

I bought my first gun the week of lockdown months. I'm not even kidding, dude. I bought an AR in California because I was like, oh, I also bought my first. Well, I'll just stop there. I just was like, I was about to lay out my, you know, my personal financial situation in a way that is not. Not intelligent to put on the Internet.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

But, yeah, I was like, precious metals. Let's see what we can do here. You know, and those are great investments, by the way, because I bought right at the bottom. But my point is, I did not adapt. And I think there was 20 of the population, give or take, that didn't adapt. And. And those are the people that, like. I look at it as kindred spirits. It's like, you should not adapt to that. And I. And I believe that you should not adapt to being robbed to fund the death of innocence worldwide. Like, you shouldn't adapt to that.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

Even if. Even if it's the historical norm, even if it's everything you've ever known, because you were born in 2001 and we've been at war ever since.

[Deep]

Yep.

[Clint]

You should still recognize that there is a moral imperative to look around you and say, this is not right. Even if you were born into it. You should still eventually realize that. And you know, that's, that's what I try and try and encourage people down the path on. I mean, some of the most, you know, passionate anti war people you meet are former Marines that are now libertarians. You know, like these guys saw it firsthand. They went in there as gung ho as any red blooded patriot you'll ever meet in your life. And they all recognize it for what it is at this point. So not all, but a growing number. And so if you don't take me seriously, talk to those guys.

[Deep]

I've watched a lot of guys, I'm thinking of a lot of tier one guys in particular over the past four or five years. Specifically who, I don't want to speak for them because I'm not in their heads, but who maybe, I'm sure had these thoughts in the back of their head already before that time period of like, what were we doing there this year at that time? Or whatever. But had it. Maybe they hadn't gotten all the way there because that was their life, that was their job. Those were, they were put on the earth to do and they want to believe that that was for all the right things. And then Afghanistan happened. And I watched slowly, in real time, guys at least consciously start to peel it back. Almost like the dude in the movie rewatching everything in his head and realizing it was all the opposite of what he thought.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

And that's a really hard thing for me to see because these guys make the ultimate sacrifice. They volunteer to go do this and put their lives down. Most of them, literally all of them have lost friends over there doing this and it's not their fault at all. But the idea that then years later you have to realize that. I hate saying it like this, but some of that might have been in vain. Oh my. I, I can't. But for them to think that, I can't even imagine having to have that thought.

[Clint]

But that's why so many of them are so angry. That's why so many of them suffer with psychological issues and alcoholism and drug use. But a lot of them, you know, show demonstrating the courage that put them in that position to begin with, a willingness to fight and sacrifice for their nation. They demonstrate that courage to this day. Like Joe Ken is who I think of. Yeah, the guy who's willing to risk his, really end his political career to speak out against Donald Trump. And those are the guys that I look up to that I go like, man, you still have the brass, you know, like you put down the rifle. But you didn't lose any ounce of that courage. Like, you're still fighting. And those are the guys.

[Deep]

We need his takes in real time. Since he left.

[Clint]

Left, he's been. He's been hitting out of the park.

[Deep]

Oh, dude. It's been like his hit rate is like, 97 or something.

[Clint]

Yeah. But people still call him a fraud and a liar and a crazy con man. And it's like, dude or a traitor. It's like. Yeah. Because he's trying not to let our country be destroyed in another unnecessary war in the Middle east, which, by the way, Donald Trump campaigned on.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

Which, by the way, I voted for Trump because of that. Well, that and because I thought that the Kamala Harris would lead us to World War III with Russia. But, you know, I mean, you get World War III one way or the other.

[Deep]

Yeah. You're gonna get it in one part of the world.

[Clint]

It's. It's a. It's a runner. It's Russia. Take your pick.

[Deep]

It's crazy. I mean, I. I'm also so impressed with how Joe has so stoically handled the blowback against him. And he said it right when he came out, he was like, nonchalant about it in like a all shucks kind of of way where he's like, listen, you know, I. I know how it works. I'm sure the president's going to come out and have to say some things. That's just the game. But then he comes out and he does it right. And there's a difference between saying that before it happens, and then the guy walks on a tarmac and says he got married real quick.

[Clint]

Yeah. And to handle that, I. I wouldn't have handled it.

[Deep]

I wouldn't have handled that well.

[Clint]

I would have been like.

[Deep]

Because he didn't get married quick, by the way. Not that that should even matter, but like, holy.

[Clint]

Well. And by. And by the way, Jo Kent's wife died in one of these unnecessary wars in the Middle East. So if anyone should shut the up, it's Donald Trump who couldn't get us out of those wars, even though he tried to. So kudos to him for that. But they lied to him about true counts in Syria, and that's where his wife died, by the way. So I think Joe Kent has every reason to be furious with Donald Trump, and he's demonstrated a level of, I don't know, calm and resolve and professionalism throughout all of this that is just. I mean, it's just powerful. Yeah.

[Deep]

And I know. I know people get like. And I fully understand why they get real tight about. Well, the guy's coming from counterintelligence. Is this some sort of cyber whatever, dude? He was a Green beret for like 20 years. Okay. Then he did a few years with ground branch, which is a totally separate thing than like a case officer, true blue kind of CIA person. And as you said, he's lost his own blood to, to, to these wars and stuff. And what he's saying is so, like, he puts it in a way the every man can understand. Like when I, when I hear him explain something pretty complicated the first time, like, yeah, we can all. That's one plus two plus two.

[Clint]

That.

[Deep]

That. Yeah, that's five.

[Clint]

Wow. I feel like he distills down Scott Horton's work in a way that's much more palatable to the. The normies. Because Scott will, like, he'll run through. Listen, man, listen, that's a good impersonation. But Scott, you'll, like, ask him a question. I won't even ask him a question about geopolitics. And then like, I'm just trying to hang up my phone and I'll look, I'll look at the timer. It's an hour and a half later. And I literally, like, asked him about, I don't know, some tax policy thing. And now we're. Now we're in 1973 in Iran. I'm like, I don't know. So anyways, Joe Kent is much more concise. The nice way to put this, I've

[Deep]

literally had someone sitting in that seat. This have multiple. Multiple times where they're like making it like someone cool and they're making a point on something. And I will just look over and see the ghost of Scott Horton and that seat going, oh, man. No, no, you got it all that. You got it all wrong, man. I'm just like, I'm sorry. I'm like living in another dimension.

[Clint]

And the truth is Scott's right. The guy probably did have it wrong.

[Deep]

Yeah, yeah, he's. Listen, he's been at it. Scott's been at it for how many episodes has he done? Like 9,000 or something?

[Clint]

Yeah, he's OG. OG yeah. And he was doing. He was doing terrestrial radio before he started his show.

[Deep]

Terrestrial radio?

[Clint]

Yeah. Well, I think that's what it's called.

[Deep]

I don't know if I'd admit that out loud, but still, that's unreal. He's going way back. Yeah. And like, that's where, listen, you can argue with some of the overall, like, if Things get too utopian and whatever with the arguments, but the points of, like the endless spending on things that objectively make our country worse, socio economically, culturally, all the way downstream. You can't argue with it at this point.

[Clint]

Well, and I think, I think that's the, the point that I always try and hit on with the Republicans because they don't, they don't buy into the bleeding heart. They're like, I don't give a about the kids in Palestine. It's like, all right, I respect your honesty. How about, do you give a about your kids? You know, I try to hit them with self interest as opposed to going down the, you know, moral route. If they're Christian leaning, I might hit them with the moral arguments. But if they're just like red, white and blue, hoorah, and we're the superior ones so like all these people, well, then you got to go down the path of is, is this actually benefiting you? Yeah. Does it, does it just make you feel tougher to have your government blowing up people all over the place? And I think that's the truth, is that like, there's a huge swath of Republicans that just love the fact that we kick the shit out of people all over the world and they just think that that makes us superior and therefore they get some sort of self worth out of that. I think it's a very weak existence.

[Deep]

I agree.

[Clint]

I do.

[Deep]

I agree.

[Clint]

It doesn't make you tougher to have a government that people up. Sorry, it doesn't. May make you feel a little bit better about yourself, but trust me, it's temporary. You need to go to the gym instead.

[Deep]

Yeah, that's. Go right to the gym. That's. That's a better place to get it out. That's what pisses me so much off about how Pete Hegseth talks about this stuff. It's like, dude, you're talking about death. You're talking about human lives and everything. You want to argue over your war? Okay, all right, fine. Don't sit here and give me GI Joe bars because you think it sounded hard in the mirror, bro.

[Clint]

He is. He is scary. Psychopathic. Yes, in my opinion.

[Deep]

I agree.

[Clint]

When he talks, I'm like, he's like a B action movie star, I think, or some like. See, I see. There you go. I stand corrected.

[Deep]

Yeah, yeah, it's something. It's like.

[Clint]

But the, the real. And this is, I think, honestly, this is what radicalized Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson got super radicalized by all the religiosity tied into the warfare state. He was just like, not. That's what did it. My name. I believe that because you. You can hear him talk about it all the time now. He is super disturbed that his religion is being used to. To justify mass death. He's crazy. Really? Really. And I. And I. You know, same thing with Joe Kent. People go, tucker's dad was CIA. You can't trust him. Like, I'm not telling you to trust him. I'm just telling you. I've listened to the guy for years. His shift on these wars in particular, seems very sincere to me. And. And his arguments are sound. I mean, he's basically laying it out like, don't use my Bible to justify killing kids. No.

[Deep]

Or Pulp Fiction. Don't do that either.

[Clint]

Yeah, I forgot about that. Oh, man. He should have stayed at Fox News.

[Deep]

What's crazy is that I, you know, you hear whispers from behind the scenes of people who were, like, around him for a long time, who were, quote, unquote, like, keeping their mouth shut when he got nominated, and they couldn't believe he got nominated because they're like, this

[Clint]

guy a nut job. Yeah.

[Deep]

You know, and to be clear, like, Lloyd Austin was a embarrassment before him. It's a different kind of embarrassment, though. You know, one's wearing a, you know, face visor 6 mass. And you never hear his voice and the others saying, all right, let's blow up a school.

[Clint]

Well, you know, isn't. Isn't that a perfect example of the dichotomy of the duopoly that we're offered? Yeah, you have this fucking Darth Vader psychopath that, like, wants us to. To live in dystopic hell forever with lockdowns and. And then you got, you know, Die Hard with a boner. Like, he's. He's such a weird dude. Yeah. I don't even know where I go with that. But he's just. He's just such a strange human being. But my point is, like, no. My answer to both of those offers is no.

[Deep]

That's right.

[Clint]

I don't want either of you having any. How do we get there? Yeah, dude, I'm. I wish. I wish I knew. I mean, I'll tell you, that Dot right there is Thomas Massie. That's the.

[Deep]

You think so?

[Clint]

That's the air apparent of Ron Paul, man, as far as I'm concerned. No disrespect to his actual son, Rand, but I think Thomas Massey carries the spirit around Paul, like. Like no one I've seen.

[Deep]

Why did. Why does. This is the thing I can't get around Donald Trump is so throughout his entire political career is the most poll obsessed person ever.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

Including using polls that make absolutely no sense. And we know we're bullshit.

[Clint]

100 of MAGA approves.

[Deep]

Yeah. Yeah. Why?

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

Why does he go so directly against the polls and going after someone like Thomas Massie who was universally very liked.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

Even across the aisle. Now Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie have of, you know, just like as a general kind of person level, like some pretty good approval ratings across the parties.

[Clint]

Yeah. Well. And. And also this is while Congress has the lowest approval rating in history.

[Deep]

Right.

[Clint]

You know, so like, if you have any congressman with any approval at all, that's the anomaly.

[Deep]

That's right.

[Clint]

So, yeah, Thomas Massie's extraordinarily popular. Obviously he's hated by all of the people who are still sycophants for Trump and just do whatever he says. But I don't think it's a sincere hatred. They all recognize, you know, what Massey's about. He's a true constitutionalist. But the answer. And sorry, I'll get accused of Israel derangement syndrome, but that's the answer. I mean, the. If you look at the people who are financing the primary campaign against Thomas Massie, they're all Zionist donors. All of them. Yeah. And some of them are also Epstein. Connected by the biggest ones. Yeah.

[Deep]

Miriam who. Who else? Paul Singer.

[Clint]

Singer and Adelson are the only ones I remember the names of. There's a third guy, but like it's basically those three Zionist billionaires that. That chunked up $25 million. I'm not talking about a general bro. This is a primary.

[Deep]

Primary.

[Clint]

They're putting up 25 mil to try and oust Thomas Massie. That. I don't know, you can maybe look this up, but that may be the most expensive primary race in American history. I mean, it's got to be up there.

[Deep]

This is Justin. Let's see.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, I mean, I'd love to

[Deep]

see the Frank church primary race back in the day.

[Clint]

Oh, interesting. Yeah.

[Deep]

Right.

[Clint]

But inflation, Justin.

[Deep]

Maybe. Yeah. That's probably the same vibes, you know.

[Clint]

Yep.

[Deep]

Lot of strange money coming in there with them. Yeah. As of March 26, the Texas Senate primary is the most expensive primary race in U. S. History. Who's doing that?

[Clint]

No, no, that's. That's Senate though. I'm talking House.

[Deep]

Yeah, yeah, House. Let's do House. What was that Senate race? Is that Ted Cruz?

[Clint]

Might have been Ted. Yeah.

[Deep]

All right, so George Latimer Yeah. So. All right. Yeah, it's going to break it because George Latimer was. And that is 24.8 million. That was in the 2024 Democratic primaries. Oh, yeah, that's the Bowman one. And Bowman, he was also a pack money and all that. Yeah, that was what, you know, listen, Bowman's kind of a cringy guy. That was one place where he had a set of balls on him.

[Clint]

Yep. And I'm not a fan of Bowman, but that's just be honest. Like all of the squad members that have been ousted, it was a pack money that got rid of him. And I, and I oppose those people because they're socialists and I'm not. But, like, it's just the truth. Like you can basically, you can believe and do almost anything up and including like child trafficking.

[Deep]

It's so dark. I laugh, but it's not. That's not funny. But it's just like hilarious how in your face it is.

[Clint]

But you can get away with basically anything as long as you support Israel. That's, that's how our political system is structured. That's just the truth. And, and you can, you can call me whatever names you want. I've heard them all. I just think it's, it's a factual based analysis that, like, that's how our system works. And when you see 25 million being put up to oust Thomas Massie, a A plus rating conservative congressional member, very high approval ratings, and the only thing that he's really getting pushed out for is because he doesn't support Israel.

[Deep]

You see that line? He was walking to the elevator and some guy asked him about being a rhino and he goes, I voted with Republicans 91% of the time, and the 9% I didn't were when they were inflating the budget, funding foreign wars and protecting pedophiles and just walks into the fucking elevator, you're like, hey, bro.

[Clint]

The best part of that, though, that was a hit piece by Laura Loomer that was put out to try and tank Massey.

[Deep]

I mean, she's.

[Clint]

Well, sure, but how funny is that? That a hit piece to try and, to try and end his career became the best campaign video he'll ever get.

[Deep]

That's what I'm saying. That's why. That's where I think, like it's on purpose.

[Clint]

Oh, interesting.

[Deep]

There's no way you can possibly put that out and think that's gonna hurt him.

[Clint]

I think, I think you're not giving your enemies enough credit for being stupid.

[Deep]

I mean, she is, I did say it like, you know, I don't even

[Clint]

get involved with her because I would encourage.

[Deep]

She's not just, whoa, you know, that's, that's full blown, like never go full re from Tropic Thunder. She even look, she even looks like Simple Jack. But, you know, oh, man. Still, you're not gonna get that one out of your head.

[Clint]

Oh, dude, you're gonna get. No, no, I'm, I'm just getting nervous for you because she's such a lunatic to think she's going to come after both.

[Deep]

Yeah. Her and all 10 of her followers. I'm so worried. Yeah, but that's just wild that you would put something out like that and think that that's not like, you know, Americana 2.0.

[Clint]

Dude. It's a banger line.

[Deep]

It's a banger line.

[Clint]

And to do it on the fly when you know you're getting hit, you know, from a antagonistic reporter and to just drop that and walk off, it's like. And he does it with a smile too. You just, you can't, you can't teach that kind of savoir fair or whatever. The, it's like, he's just a beast.

[Deep]

How do you fix this? How do you, how do you get the system so that it actually, I don't care what, what countries are involved, like get or anything of any other foreign country's interests out of our priorities. And insofar as our elected officials making decisions on the basis of the American people and not other places, I mean,

[Clint]

I think we're, we are making progress in that regard. But, but we're also running out of time. So that's my biggest concern is like when, when someone like you asked me, you know, how do we fix this? I have answers, but they're not implementable because I don't have the political capital. I don't have the public on my side enough to implement them. But like, I could save the dollar, I could save the reserve currency status, I could save, you know, our constitution. I could do so many things if I had the public on my side side, but I don't. So then I just revert to practicality. What can I actually accomplish within, you know, within our means? And I just think that we just have to continue to, you know, nudge the ball down the field. It's like, like we have, like, I, I posted a couple days ago saying growing up is realizing that a mass layoff at the Washington Post is the exact same thing as a mass layoff at the Daily Wire Progress like that is indicative of our success, of our winning that. Like, we are slowly but surely putting the propagandists out of business. And as long as we don't have the political power to make institutional reforms, that is the power that we have at our disposal is to win by telling the truth more boldly, more loudly, more courageously than any of these people can or are willing to, or the. Or their donors will permit. And we have that ability. So should we win in that fight? Yeah, we should, because we don't have any of those holdbacks. We have both of our fists out and they've got one like Charlie Kirk had one tied behind his back. Right. So that's the reason that I'm hopeful, ultimately, is that I believe we are winning the propaganda war, that we are defeating the, you know, state propagandists. And I think it's evidenced by the numbers from you to Rogan to Tucker to Candace to my middling success and Dave Smith and all these other people. It's like all of the people that I like are doing good and all of the people I don't like are falling off a cliff. So if you can't look at that and come away with some optimism, I think you're not looking at it. Right.

[Deep]

The one thing that I want to make sure does come out is you're absolutely right, where there's propaganda and lies and people who are perpetuating, perpetuating that and like, purposely making money off of it. Of course, like, the market should correct itself in that way. But I also, you know, I've had like, this crisis of conscience. I. I don't even know what to call it, especially since the January 30th Epstein drop. I mean, as someone who's looked at this case for seven years, obviously I knew it was horrific and all that, but this just put it on a whole different lens to where even the things that I was like, like, ah, it probably didn't go that far. Now it's like, oh, maybe it went farther, you know, and what. The reason I bring it up is because I catch myself having to stop myself from automatically just reverting for reverting to anything I hear from anywhere that is any sort of established place. Therefore the opposite 100% must be true, rather than looking at each thing on a case by case basis. And I think we have a really important moment here in independent media as a whole, regardless of where people stand on issues and whatever to prove that, yes, the mainstream in these places have been exposed for the lies and Stuff like that. But now let's not become the same thing from another side or a different lens that they did. And that's, that's the one thing. Like, I get stuff wrong, I'll get things wrong in the future. But I do my best, at least with what I can control, which is just right here to hear out different voices, give my opinions where it's relevant and like, try to do it on the base evidence we can see. And if something changes, I'll change it. You know what I mean?

[Clint]

Well, look, I think that's the key difference though is that it's not an expectation. Like our audiences don't expect us to get everything right. They expect us to be honest when we get it wrong, though.

[Deep]

Yes.

[Clint]

And that's what you don't get from the propagandists. That's what you don't get from Ben Shapiro who said, you know, get your jab dope, you know, like, you dude, you know, enjoy your poverty line. Like, that's how I feel about people like that. If you, if you show like Tucker Carlson, that's totally the opposite side, right? Tucker Carlson got the war on terror dead ass wrong. He got it totally backwards. He was pushing the propagandistic lies. But what did he do once he like actually realized it? He admitted it. And he's been eternally apologetic, tirelessly apologetic, willing to, no matter how many times he has to say it, he will say it. And he doesn't get upset when people ask him about it because it's sincere. That's the difference between someone like Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro. That's the reason Tucker Carlson is the biggest name in right wing media and Ben Shapiro is falling off a cliff because that's what the audience is looking for. Not that you get everything right. Tucker got one of the biggest things in our lifetimes wrong. But he showed the desire to pursue truth and that's what we need. So I agree with you though. I think it's a huge mistake to just believe that because it's independent media that it necessarily is going to get these stories right. That the corporate media gets wrong. That's not at all, that doesn't logically follow at all. So this is why I'm so, I shouldn't say so critical, but I am somewhat critical of the tactics that Candace Owens uses. Like, I don't like going through familial history of Erica Kirk and looking at her grandparents or her great grandparents and drawing some sort of lineage of con artistry and therefore concluding that, look, how suspect this lady must be. It's like, that's. I don't know. I don't. That's not how I view the world, as an individualist. I don't. I don't do that with any other group of people. I don't do that with Jewish people. I don't do that with black people. I'm not going to do that to Erica Kirk either. Yeah. I just think it's wrong. I'm not guilty of the crimes of my great grandfather. What are we talking about? So, yeah.

[Deep]

Judge people on their own merits.

[Clint]

Yeah, but. But my point is, like, the standard needs to be higher. And, And I think, you know, but at the same time, I'm not like the dictator of this world. I think that the audience decides what standard they're willing to accept and live with. And if. If Candace goes too far and she gets enough things wrong, she'll hemorrhage audience, too. Like, that's the game here. So I think that's. That's evidence of a functioning information system, one that we haven't had throughout our lives because we were cloistered off into these media bubbles that, like, our grandparents only had three nightly news channels. Right. And then you and I had, I don't know, 30 or whatever. And now we have thousands of options or millions of options. And it's like, there's no reason to believe that we can't have a truly meritocratic system that allows for the audiences to decide who deserves to be the top of the heap in this world. And it's never been like that in human history. And I think that's the main reason that the power structure is moving so rapidly. To try and cut us off at the pass and create the AI framework and the spying apparatus and everything else is like. Like the whole way that they controlled us forever was through information like suppression. Suppression, Right.

[Deep]

Of course.

[Clint]

Good luck. You can't really do it now. Right. Or it's like, much harder. So I think that's the reason that they're. They're reorienting their control mechanisms. They're going away from information control and suppression to both overt power through militarism. But.

[Deep]

But, oh, no, we're good.

[Clint]

Okay. Through overt power, through militarism, but then also psychological operations and. And manipulation in other means. I'll lose most of your audience when I go down that path, but I'm just saying I think it's obvious that they are evolving their. Their methodologies for control.

[Deep]

Okay, let's take one more break. We're gonna let them drill some trees out there for 10 minutes, and we'll be right back. Yeah, I was just saying I thought you were coming into town for the Met Gala, but you were telling me off air. You don't even know what that is.

[Clint]

The only thing I know about the Met Gala is that I saw the chick who bombed in, like, the remake of Wicked, who seemed like she was gacked out of her mind. Rachel Zegler or whatever.

[Deep]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Clint]

There's a video of her job going left. Well.

[Deep]

Well, there was. There was history made last night.

[Clint]

Oh, okay.

[Deep]

There's some serious history made at the Met Gala. There was the first. I want to make sure I get this right deep. The first black transgender quad. I'm sorry. Quadriplegic cerebral palsy model.

[Clint]

Oh, dude, I saw.

[Deep]

Actually, that's real. That's real. This is real. Actually, a fan of the show went to high school with her too.

[Clint]

Oh, my God, dude, my. My friend Josie, the redhead libertarian. If you could pull up her. Her quote tweet of that, it's an absolute banger.

[Deep]

So you didn't see that one?

[Clint]

I did, but I didn't. I didn't realize that was a Mickell.

[Deep]

Oh, yeah. So, yeah, what's her name? Cardi B. Came dressed as an intestine

[Clint]

to sell it for prostate awareness or what?

[Deep]

Something. Katy Perry came in a transhumanist. I don't know what was going on.

[Clint]

Trhl official.

[Deep]

I'm just like, if. If you were. If you're, like, an ancient Rome historian and you're studying, like, the end times of Empire about, like, elites and everyone else.

[Clint]

Yeah, bro, this is what I'm saying, though. But this. This is why when you asked me, you know, just before the break, like, all right, how do we fix this? And I'm like, well, we got to stop giving those people attention at all. Like, that is pure distraction. That has very distracting. That has no bearing on anything that we need to be doing to actually remedy things. In fact, those people all need to fade from the public. All right, yeah. Josie says.

[Deep]

He goes, I filled my woke bingo card with one person. What was it someone else tweeted out? Yo, this the woke final boss right here.

[Clint]

That's great, dude. Yeah.

[Deep]

The intrusive thoughts that were coming in my mind when I saw that, I was like, I don't. Don't tweet. Don't tweet.

[Clint]

Yeah, those. That's the type of. That you would have seen in 2020. You're like, if I even engage with this I'm gonna get suspended, right? Like, can't do it.

[Deep]

Crazy. Absolutely crazy. But you know, I just see it. Can we pull up the Sarah Paulson one? I got to pick on her. So, you know, you're going to an event that's 350 fucking stacks a table. It's literally run by Bezos, which, you know, they did have a nice protest for him outside and some people didn't show up in solidarity because the Bezos were running it. But then you have an actress worth an estimated 12.5 million with a stabilized carrying her up with whatever that issue she's wearing with a dollar bill over her fucking eyeballs. What's, what's the protest? The 1%. Her words, not mine.

[Clint]

You know, every, every job she's ever had in Hollywood was from the 1%.

[Deep]

She.

[Clint]

And for the record, so is she. Yeah, what are we even talking about? Like, like, if she was doing that to protest the Federal Reserve, I'd be like, based as hell. She gets it. That's not what this is. What are about you talking, doing?

[Deep]

I just see this and I'm like, there was a point where she was in a room discussing this with someone and said, I'm going to wear an outfit with a dollar bill over my eyeballs so that people have to carry me through this room and I can't even look at all the people taking pictures of me or admiring me if, if that's what you want to say. And I'm going to do it as a multi millionaire actress to protest the 1% at the biggest 1% event of the year. And it's a great idea like that, those words, that thought process. Not those exact words that did happen.

[Clint]

No, that thought process had to have happened. I mean, isn't that just the perfect demonstration of how detached these people are? That they're like, this is going to come off great, you know, like, I'm going to win the PR war here. It's like, no, you're worth 20 million and you just had your slave carry you around because you wanted to wear some virtue signaling dollar mask.

[Deep]

And here's the thing, man, I love people that work hard and get really successful at something, whatever it is, as long as, you know, as long as it's not like completely immoral.

[Clint]

I don't begrudge her success at all. Yeah, she's a great actress.

[Deep]

She's a great actress. I'm like, good for you.

[Clint]

But you shut the fuck up. Yeah, exactly.

[Deep]

Understand who you are. And like the, you know, by the way, the Great privilege that comes with what you've been able to earn yourself.

[Clint]

It's not that hard, right?

[Deep]

You know, like, I get to talk on camera for a living. I may not have a lot of money yet, but I think that's the biggest privilege in the world. I'm not gonna sit here and act like that makes you. You different than people, though, for sure.

[Clint]

I. I say this all the time. When I end my episodes, I'm like, love you guys. See you next time. It's like I love my audience for real, because I can't believe that I've got, you know, 60, hundred, whatever, thousand people that are watching me every episode. It's like. It just doesn't make. It doesn't even compute.

[Deep]

It's wild.

[Clint]

It's unbelievable.

[Deep]

The coolest thing ever.

[Clint]

Yeah. And. And they. They are voluntary, voluntarily, giving me their time. I've never advertised my show. I've never done anything to promote it other than, like, go on other shows. So it's just purely, purely. Did you ever hear of me? Did you ever check out something I said and then did you vibe with it? And now here you are checking me out every, you know, a couple times a week. It's like. It's the most beautiful thing in the world. So I would. I will never lose my amazement or appreciation for it. And I feel like anybody who's done what you've done and I've done building up a. A true, organic audience, it's like. It's the most special thing in the world. That's why I would never do something stupid like that. Yeah. You know, it's like, it just. It just. I don't even. I don't even know how you get that disconnected.

[Deep]

Honestly, those kinds of things give me the ick. Like, when I see that, where I'm just like, yeah, God. You know, because I. I don't know. I've always. Always looked at it like, if I with you, I. With you, I don't give a what you do.

[Clint]

Right.

[Deep]

Like, and maybe that's why I do this for a living, by the way. I talk with people from all different walks of life, from all over the world, like it's the best thing ever. But there's something that happens to people. It's not just actors and actresses. There's something in society that happens to people that, as they, like, raise up their stature. I've seen it again and again. Everyone else out there has seen it as well, you know, where like, they switch up and they Suddenly. Things that 10 years ago wouldn't have even been a thought process in their world are now a baseline expectation that's actually, actually below.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Deep]

You know what I mean?

[Clint]

No, I do. Look, I think this is also. I'll say this as gently as possible, but I think that's why Joe Rogan has been getting some hate as of late. Is that because of his relationship to Peter Thiel and his friendliness with. With Trump? I think a lot of people are feeling as if he's holding his punches back, you know, And

[Deep]

I'm a long

[Clint]

time Joe Rogan fan. I. Listen, that dude 09 is when I first started. Like, I was.

[Deep]

Oh, you were. Oh, you were.

[Clint]

Yeah, OG yeah, dude, I was. Episode 54 or something like that. Like, so love, love Rogan. But I think it's also true that when you, as we talked about earlier, when you build personal relationships with politicians, nerfs, you, it makes it so that it's very hard. And especially when you're like. And I. Look, I gotta say, I credit Joe with this because what he got done by playing ball with Trump to get legalized. Psychedelic treatment for ptsd.

[Deep]

That was cool.

[Clint]

Yeah, that's fucking great, man. Like, he'll save lives. He'll save some of those military veterans we were talking about earlier, he'll save some of those guys because of that policy. So can I get that mad at him? I guess I can't. But at the same time, I think it hurts your show because as soon as you start to pull punches, you're not telling the full truth.

[Deep]

Well, that's the thing. You talked about it earlier, like, when you're talking about spending time with Vivek Ramaswamy and like, you get to know him as a person. I don't like to say the word never because things change and you don't know. But I've had. My guys will tell you. I've had a firm rule throughout the six plus years.

[Clint]

No politicians.

[Deep]

No politicians. And I've stuck to that very strongly. Even when given some pretty good offers to have on some nice names. I'm like, fuck, no.

[Clint]

You're the one who taught me that.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

You're the one who woke me up to it. I was like. As soon as you said that, I was like, like, damn, that's a good policy.

[Deep]

Yeah. If someone were in office in the past or something, I might do that one. As long as they're not, like, actively.

[Clint]

Yeah. Like Ron Paul.

[Deep]

Yeah, yeah, I. I might do that. But like, when you start to deal with people who actually have their hands on the levers I need to be able to criticize or praise, depending on what the situation is, what they do with. While having a separation of a state. I completely, if you will. And so the place where. Because, like, I. I see it on. I see the strong reactions against Rogan online all over the place. And, like, the guy is a hero of mine. Like, he's the reason I can do what I do. That should not make him be above criticism, to be clear.

[Clint]

Right.

[Deep]

And it's also a great lesson that the longer you last and the longer you're great, at some point you're going to do something where, you know people will turn on you for some things. And it's like, none of us are above that. But, like, at the same time, this isn't to write off some of those decisions. Like, I said this. I, for one, would not have talked to Peter Thiel in the year 2025. I think that was a big mistake. But, like, you know, maybe he said it. I've said that. I'm like, I've said it for people. People have never heard of. So I don't like throwing stones from glass houses because I'm a micro size compared to that. At the same time, I always feel like, because he was the first guy to go through all these different things, whatever they are, like, as the trailblazer, it makes the bar higher for me and everyone else coming after him, because not only do we get to see the examples of the things that he did. Right. That we then get the example of to be able to follow, but we also see the examples of mistakes that were made. And therefore, we don't have the excuse of saying, hey, we didn't see that one coming. Right. You know, so I think there's a positive.

[Clint]

Couldn't. Couldn't agree more. And I think it's also. That's actually how I want to model parenting whenever I have kids. It's like, you want to take the good and leave the bad. I think that's how. That's how you evolve your lineage and progress. So I. I view podcasting the same way. Like, all. All my inspirations. You know, obviously, Dave Smith was a huge inspiration, even though he became a really good friend of mine. You know, I first heard him on rogan 2017 or something like that, and I was like, oh, it's. It's me. I was like. I was like, I'm on Rogan right now. How cool is this? And I started my show three years later, and then he was on my show a year after that. So I went from being a fan to four years later, you know, becoming a friend. But point is, Rogan, huge inspiration. Even Bill Simmons from the sports.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

Realm. He was a real pioneer. Just a handful of guys that, like, really inspired me to think that this is a thing. Like, this is a real thing. Like, this is not going away. This is going to actually replace whole industries. And I think that we have almost a duty to learn the lessons of both the. The good and the bad that Rogan and Dave and everybody else has done.

[Deep]

100, man. And that's, you know, we. I try to have that conversation behind the scenes all the time with, like, things we're seeing or things I'm thinking about doing. And like I said, I've made plenty of mistakes. It's just a matter of. I know there's also, like, some bullets I've dodged where it's like, you know, my dumbass probably wouldn't have dodged that if I didn't have the examples of not just Rogan, but some other guys before who were way bigger that either did it wrong or did it right.

[Clint]

Right.

[Deep]

And it was very clear what it was. So, I mean, listen, it's still like, still the Wild west in some cases in this space. So we gotta kind of let this thing settle. The thing I do worry about, though, is the thing you've been alluding to all day, which is that if the technocratic elite already have this. This whatever it is set up, is this just like, you know, a final charade act that we have no idea we're a part of, and this thing's a dystopian 1984 reality in like a year.

[Clint]

Are we the band playing on the Titanic as it sinks? Yeah. I don't know. I mean. And honestly, we won't know. Like, we'll only know in hindsight if that's the case. Obviously. Kind of like we talked about in the very beginning about simulation theory, it's like I just choose to dismiss that option because what. How does it benefit me to accept defeat before I even know definitively that I'm defeated?

[Deep]

Right.

[Clint]

It doesn't. It doesn't benefit me. So I'm gonna function as if there's a chance, just in hopes that there is one. And I believe that unless we're willing to do that, then we are truly hopeless. So I just. I reject. Dave Smith says this all the time. He's like, I'm a father. He's like, I've got two little kids at home. Do you think that failure is an option here, right? You think I'm gonna let the, the American experiment perish in my lifetime when my inspiration is a guy like Ron Paul, like not on my, not on my watch, homeboy. Like I ain't going down without a fight. So that's how I feel about it. And I just feel like we need to spread that spirit and not let it perish. And that's how we, that's how we prevail.

[Deep]

Ultimately that could be a really good thing to come out of the cycles we've seen in that. I don't, I don't like being one of these people, just like picks on the boomers or whatever because there's group think ideas that get implemented unknowingly in society and then people just go along with stuff. And I don't think that's like on an individual basis people's fault. But with the boomers, there's the idea that people talk about where it's like, this is the first generation that through long term actions overall on the average didn't care as much about the future of their kids generation versus their own. The one maybe good thing that could come out of that is I feel like there's an awareness of that maybe being true among Gen Z and millennials and stuff. And so now with them becoming parents, if we can create an environment where people can afford to become parents and separate conversation. But like, I feel like there's a lot more impetus now, at least in the conversations I have with friends of mine who are new parents and stuff like that, who are obsessed with making the world way better for their kid and are therefore more aware of some of the shit that's going on. That's a mess.

[Clint]

That's absolutely true. But I will add to that, is that many of those people have been in my opinion, co opted into things that are actually self destructive.

[Deep]

What do you mean?

[Clint]

For instance, the, the whole green agenda. You know, a lot of people, a lot of people like that generation you're talking about, the one who was like, like I'm rejecting this abandonment of my responsibility to the planet, to the future, everything else, almost all of them bought into the global warming polar opposite. Yeah, yeah. And, and then, but what's even crazier about those folks is that then not only did they buy into what I believe is a largely fictitious narrative, but they also supported state action and global governance to try and remedy it. I mean, they got played like a fiddle, dude. So that's the danger is that just because you're more aware, just because you you have better intentions doesn't mean you have better outcomes. You know, like, yes, intention's important, yes, but it ain't everything. You got to actually be, you know, your target has to be in the right direction. So that's my fear. And, and same, same phenomenon to the global warming was the woke experience. In my opinion, it was this genuine good hearted desire to eliminate racism and bigotry and homophobia and da da, da, da. Right. But what did it do? What was the outcome? The outcome was the opposite.

[Deep]

Nick Fuentes.

[Clint]

Yeah. And trust me, Nick Fuentes is mild compared to the people that are, you know, right behind him. So I, I just think that that's the key, is it's not just about intention, it's about outcome. And I agree. They got played. This episode is brought to you by Redfin. You're listening to a podcast, which means you're probably multitasking, maybe even scrolling home listings on Redfin, saving homes without expecting to get them. But Redfin isn't just built for endless browsing. It's built to help you find and own a home with agents who close twice as many deals. When you find the one, you've got a real shot at getting it. Get [e-mail]. own the dream.

[Deep]

But it's a whip. You just pointed out it's a whip. And morale, man. This is how society works. And this is where I get really cynical, as I always do, this like little post World War II pendulum, you know, you got Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, they whacked in, left in Johnson, Nixon, Nixon, they kicked him out, left in Ford for a minute. Carter, Carter had the inflation crisis, Reagan, Reagan bought four extra years for his intel buddy. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, Trump. It's just the swing back and forth. And I keep waiting for the guy that's going to be like, hold up, wait a minute, let's part the sea here. We're right here, right? Do you ever think a moment like that will actually come though? Or are we just programmed to not let that happen?

[Clint]

Well, I'll tell you, I mean, this is the question I was at asking myself and attempting to answer back in 2020. You don't even know this about me. Or 2024, I should say. Just a couple years ago I ran for the Vice President of the United States.

[Deep]

Told me that actually a few weeks ago.

[Clint]

Yeah, under the Libertarian Party and I couldn't even get the delegates. I got 49 of the delegates. I needed 51. So I came up like three votes short from getting the nomination.

[Deep]

But, well, you wouldn't be on this podcast, so. Yeah, that's for the best.

[Clint]

Yeah, no, it was for the best. It was for the best for a lot of reasons. But my point in bringing that up is not to brag, because it's not a brag. It's something I didn't want to do. I was literally doing it because Dave had said he was going to run, and then he. He backed out because of family stuff, and he's just like, I'm not going to do it. And he had this whole movement that wanted to see him do it. And a lot of people, including Dave, and a bunch of people were like, you're like the closest thing we got. You're like our B minus tier Dave, so you got to step up. And I was like, I don't want to do this at all, and I'm not going to dedicate the time to be the top of the ticket, so slot me in his vp. All right, I'll see. I'll see if the delegates put me on the line. Anyways, I got very fortunate. Lost by a couple votes. But the reason I bring that up is that when you talk about who's going to be the guy who says stop, a lot of people think and hope I was one of them, that that stop guy is going to come from a third party. And what you realize very rapidly after being involved in this stuff is that one, third parties are rife with people who are kind of ideological. I don't want to be mean about it, but almost like drama kids, you know, they're like, they're. I think many of them are serious. Like, they. They feel these things internally, sincerely. But then when it comes to acquiring power and wielding power, many libertarians naturally are going to have an aversion to that because we don't like the state. So it's very hard to get a true blue libertarian who wants to actually wield the power of the state. Because if you're going to diminish the power of the state, you have to wield that power somehow, homeboy. You got to get there. Right? So most of them aren't willing. So anyways, the. The point I'm getting to is that that part of it makes third parties very challenging. But the real challenging part is that the duopoly is perfectly structured to. To blast those people. I mean, just to crush them. Yes, they keep them off the ballot. They force you to spend millions and millions of dollars to even get on the ballot. And then once you get on the ballot, you've already, you know, blown your whole wad and you don't have any money to put into ad campaigns to actually try and compete, then you don't get any fucking media coverage because you're looked at as a joke oftentimes. And oftentimes you are one. So point is, I, and this is why I came to the conclusion and I ultimately voted for Trump, is because I'm like, I'm going to take the marginal preference over the destructive World War III assuredness. That is kind of how I was viewing things. And then I'm going to hope that really what I was voting for with Trump was not Trump himself. It was his base. It was the people who were like, the war on terror. We know we got had fuck lockdowns. We know we got head. And, you know, so many other things that I agree with them on the censorship under the Biden era. Like, they had to lose. The Democrats had to lose. They were so abusive towards us over that period.

[Deep]

It was a bad four years.

[Clint]

It was awful.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

So I was voting for Trump because I wanted that movement to stay alive and I wanted to see what that would evolve into. And what I think we've discovered in the first year of Trump's second term is that he's a con man. I don't think he's for real at all. I think that he's. He played his part in galvanizing the populist right wing movement that was, as you described it, the natural yin to the yang of the insane woke era. But he also demonstrated a complete incapacity or lack of desire to fix the things that he promised to fix.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

So now the answer, the question is, where does that energy go? Does it become kind of a nihilistic, radicalized, disparate movement, a diaspora, if you will? Or. Or does it galvanize behind a Fuentesian movement or a Massian movement? That's the tbd. I'm obviously trying to direct it towards massive movement. I mean, man, I'm telling, I'm telling

[Deep]

you, any form of, like, opposite day is never going to end. Well, that's the one part of my life that that has proven itself true again and again. And in a weird way, it's proven itself true with Trump in ways that even I didn't expect. You know, I've always known Trump's a New York real estate guy and he certainly lies all the time and stuff, but there's like a percentage calculus you make on, all right, how will this turn out?

[Clint]

Right.

[Deep]

And the fact of the Matter is his first administration was chaotic, cuz he's a chaos kind of guy. But like, he didn't hit the red button. Things were okay. It wasn't the worst presidency I've ever seen until 2020.

[Clint]

It was probably the best presidency in my lifetime, honestly.

[Deep]

We probably argue over that, but either way, like, it wasn't doomsday at all.

[Clint]

No.

[Deep]

And then I do believe this. I think Covid would have happened to anyone. And there were certainly mistakes made on his part there. That's a separate conversation we can legislate. But prior to Covid, it was like, you know, all the, like, fear mongering about how bad he could possibly be. Yeah, it's bumpy. Yeah, it's whatever. It's like, all right, we survived, it's fine. So when he was coming up the second time and he was actually making some promises on things, there were things that. I'm looking at it objectively and I'm like, yeah, he'll probably follow through on that. And there were, there were a couple things he did, but so many things. Not only has he not followed through, he's done the complete opposite. He's literally change what he said. And so when people are attacking people like, you voted for this. It's like, all right, listen, those people that voted for Donald Trump, whether it's you or anyone else out there listening, who did you. You have to go off of what you had seen in the administration before and what you had seen in Trump's administration before and pick the least worst option. And I fully understand to this day why people said this is the least worst option. I don't think it should be the fault of people that now, the second time around, he's literally gone full opposite day on everything. If he had gone opposite day on like 20 of things, all right, people would live with that. But when you're starting wars with Iran and like that or saying like, not the Epstein thing is a democratic hoax, like, go yourself, bro. Like, it's such.

[Clint]

But see, this is what. You know, I don't even get frustrated with it at this point because I just think it's so ridiculous. But that, you know, Dave also Dave Smith and myself and a bunch of, bunch of libertarians ultimately decided to vote for Trump. But you got to remember too, Trump came to our national convention. Yeah. He pitched us like we were wielding our minimal influence for the first time in the history of the Libertarian Party. We were actually like having not a seat at the table, but like an audience with the king. Right. You know, it's like, are you gonna reject that? You gonna laugh it off? Like, I. I personally wasn't. Wasn't prepared to. I was like. I was like, this is the first time we might get something. We never get fucking anything, dude. Nothing ever. Our parties existed for, like, 70 fucking years. We get nothing ever. So when they're like, hey, we can free Ross Ulbricht.

[Deep]

He did do that.

[Clint]

And he did. And for the record, he didn't do that. We did that. We freed a human being. So I sleep fine at night knowing, you know, that decision, it came with peril, obviously. I even said in the episode where I announced that I was voted. And by the way, I decided, like, five days before the election, I was not a.

[Deep]

Actually, remember, that's where. That's when I really found you.

[Clint]

Oh, cool.

[Deep]

Yeah.

[Clint]

Yeah, that was. That was like, the first time I finally was like, I'm gonna do it. Like, they. They got me just this one time. You know, I voted libertarian my whole life, but, like, this one time, they got me. And. And I really don't regret it. Like, I. Obviously, I'm very angry with so many of the things that Trump has done, but I felt. You know, I feel like you can only regret something when you, like, you look back and you go, I. I could have seen this and made a different decision, and that's why I got it wrong. I was like, no, I. I was as deep keeping this.

[Deep]

The information that you had.

[Clint]

Yeah. And I, like, I wasn't ignoring anything. Even in the episode where I announced it, I said, worst case scenario with Donald Trump, round two is war with Iran. You guys can go back and watch my episode. That's what I said.

[Deep]

So jinx this.

[Clint]

I'm just saying I warned my audience. And I also said, don't follow me into this. This is my choice. Make your own. Make your own calculus. I trust each and every one of you. I'm not fucking trying to, you know, become some booster for some party or anything like that. I'm making my own choice. So I don't. I don't feel any shame in it. I feel like I made. I made the. The only logical decision that I could make at that time. But the key is, as I said earlier with Tucker, do you hold those politicians to account? That's right. When they fail you, and are you willing to sacrifice something to hold them to account? And that's why I respect Tucker Carlson so much, because he's put himself on the outs, because he was willing to just continue to beat the drum and say, no, I'm not buying your revisionist 1984 history. I know what you said. You said that the entire wars in the Middle east, the entire global war on terror was built on a lie. He made his name in South Carolina when he said, your brother lied us into Iraq.

[Deep]

Yep, I remember that.

[Clint]

And for the record, people forget this, he got booed for saying that, but then he won and he won because

[Deep]

he got booed by the donor class. That was in the.

[Clint]

Exactly, exactly. Because that's, that's the key thing to understand is that the audience there is the donor class. So they boo because they want it to be reflected to the public. Who's watching at home, who doesn't understand that those are the donors that they go. That's an unpopular thing. But it wasn't because the people at home had military veteran sons and fathers and daughters and they were like, yeah, he's right, dude. They lied us into this war. So my point is all, all I really expect of people is to be honest about. I, I hoped that Trump and his promises he would deliver on 30%. We got 10, you know, and I'm very angry about it, but am I going to at least be loud about it? Am I going to hold him to account? That's all I can do.

[Deep]

That's all you can do.

[Clint]

That's all that's in my power.

[Deep]

We as a society also have to, at some point, from like a group think perspective, look in the mirror and think about how as a people, we decide to coalesce and organize around things because we keep doing this thing where every four years we're like, all right, shitty option one and shitty option two. And it shouldn't be that way. This is America. This should be a place where like, at some point you have a president like George Washington that like the majority of, of people are really proud of, you know?

[Clint]

Well, I agree with you, man, but I think it's also, and look, I'm not, I'm not putting the blame on the American people, but the truth is that the American people are deeply propagandized and, and mal educated, like not even lacking education, but actually having education, that is counterproductive. So it's a very, it's a big uphill climb to even coalesce around an idea of what is the remedy. Yeah, As I said earlier, you've got half the people who are, you know, politically engaged and enlightened and awake think that racism and transphobia is the great gravest danger that we face in the world today. It's like, we're currently waging a proxy war between the two largest nuclear powers and you guys are still talking about bigotry. Like, how stupid are you? So that's the problem is like, we have to. I agree with you. Yes, we need to coalesce. Yes, we need to have a third option. Yes, we need to have, you know, not just a knee jerk reaction to the left, right, you know, paradigm swing. We have to have a principled alternative. But you can only get a principled alternative into power if there is actually a demand for it. And as of now, even though you and I and our audiences probably all want that, I still don't think that we're the majority. And unfortunately, I don't think that we're close. I think we're 25 of the population

[Deep]

that might even be high.

[Clint]

But yeah, I'm being optimistic.

[Deep]

Yeah, yeah, no, which is sad. But like when we were talking about earlier about people not having to get their own food now and like that, and the conveniences and comfort of society. Another thing I've always thought about is, with the exception of terrorist attacks in 1941 and 2001 and the War of 1812, we have never been invaded. And it shows. You know, we have, we have geographic privilege in this country compared to most places around the world, including some other superpowers, just by our lack of borders on the east and west. And, you know, we can argue about the cartel and drug threat and shit like that, but places that aren't going to beat us in a war to the north and south, if you know what I mean.

[Clint]

Not even close.

[Deep]

Not even close. So there is a level of Americana exceptionalism and complacency that has been generationally built in to all of us into it, you know, you and I included,

[Clint]

of course as well.

[Deep]

And I don't really know.

[Clint]

And it feels good. It feels good.

[Deep]

But like, what about the moment it all comes down?

[Clint]

Well, that, that's the whole problem is that we are, while we are almost impervious to military attack, we're way too focused on external enemies and not nearly focused enough on the internal. I mean, what, what collapses an empire is almost never another invading army. It's almost never that. It's always the currency. Always, every single time. So I mean, the fact that we're not learning those lessons is just unforgivable. I mean, the fact that we're talking about, as our empire is obviously flailing and starting to fail, that we are talking about spending $1.5 trillion a year in defense increase an Increase of more than 50% of our already, as we already did the math, a match of the 10 largest defenses in the world at 1.5 trillion. I honestly think that you could probably tabulate all of the defenses of every nation on earth and it would be comparable to just what America intends to spend. This is, it's suicide. And it's not. We're not going to lose a war unless and until the dollar loses its purchasing power. And that time is coming. And that is Ron Paul's warning from 20 years ago and it's Rothbard's and Mises warning from a hundred years ago. And it's my warning to you today. It is coming. So we have a choice to change that. But we have to, we have to coalesce around that idea and that understanding and not get sidetracked with the Met Gala and wokeness and racism and all that.

[Deep]

But that would also require us understanding that there are multiple classes of people that are completely unelected that we don't see.

[Clint]

Sure.

[Deep]

Who are effectively making these decisions that we don't know about. And you would think that now that we have at least 3 million of the emails that very clearly show that this exists and intermingles things like intelligence, sex trafficking, arms deals and all the funding of wars and currency wars and problems around the world, you would think that people would wake up to that, but that we continue to get lost in whatever the next news cycle is. And stories like that somehow die out when the evidence is right there in front of us to have our moment. Not even a revolutionary moment, but a moment of like, wait a minute. This system is not what we're told it is. We have to, we have to take that back. And whether that is like people have to actually form a third party or so I don't know. But like there has to be a conversation that happens. And that's where I get cynical because I see it. I mean, we've been covering the Epstein files in here. We're going to continue to do it because it's, it, it's the biggest story of my lifetime, in my opinion. But you know, can goes down the road, the song keeps playing, the wheels keep turning, People go outside and you know, they worry about other and they don't realize that it's still all happening like that.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, and I mean, just so your audience knows you probably already familiar, but this is, this has been, you know, a debate that libertarians have been having forever. There's always this argument of third party versus what we describe as the Paleo strategy. Rothbard popularized this in the 1990s when I think, I think he kind of broke. Broke ranks and he ended up supporting. I think it was Buchanan. I think it was BUCHANAN in like 92 or something like that. So I'm more of the Rothbard school, like I, Murray Rothbard. He's an Austrian economist guy. Anyways, moving on. I think that, that our best avenue is to side with the party that aligns with us most closely and then side with the elements within that party that, that push our ideology the furthest. So that's why I'm a believer in and why I've been such a huge booster of Thomas Massie. I honestly believe he's our best hope. I think that he's got not a good chance, but an outside chance of one of running and winning the nomination in 28. Because I think people are. What you're describing, that, that kind of universal disgust, this bipartisan discuss with the establishment. Everybody recognizes that Thomas Massie is not the establishment. He's not that. Whether you have disagreements with them or whatever. Like a lot of lefties have massive disagreements with Thomas Massie, obviously, but, but they respect him. And I think that they would vote for him. And I think that there's a ton of right wingers that are America first and they fucking mean it that they would vote for Thomas Massie even if they have disagreements about X, Y and Z. So I think he's our best hope in 28. Beyond that, it's get ready for Fuentes in 36. I'm just, I'm telling you what's going to happen.

[Deep]

Listen, a lot, a lot can happen between now and then. I, I hope to see us, you know, like if we're in that crisis moment of the fourth turning. I hope to see this turn, you know, and we can just calm down. But you're absolutely right. I think about the, about the reserve currency issue every single day. People have no idea that that is the entire house of cards right there.

[Clint]

It's everything. And just a little. I feel as if you're rapping. But I, I just got to say the straight of Hormuzzi is super important for people that don't understand like what it's about. 30% of global oil traffic annually goes through the straight of hormones. But it's not just that it's fertilizer and all sorts of important things that are necessary for food production. It also is one of the main supply lines to Europe, which is allegedly an ally of ours. Even though we seem to be Attempting to destroy them. Anybody's guess as to why? I don't know. But then obviously it's also a proxy against China, which gets a lot of its oil from Iran, which is also where the Venezuela play comes in. Most likely because they were a supplier of. Of crude oil to China as well. But the point that I'm trying to get to is the reason that the navigable waters matter so much in that arena is that after the gold standard was ended, after the gold window was closed in 73, we replaced it by backing up the dollar with what was called the petrodollar system, where we, we got the Saudis and some other Middle Eastern nations to agree to sell their oil and gas exclusively in the US Dollar. That became the underpinning by which our dollar maintained its value. It became the primary trading currency of the world because of that petrodollar system. The Iranians are playing for keeps. What they're saying is that we now control the Strait of Hormuz, and if you want to transit it, then you have to kick out the United States and the Israeli ambassador from your nation, and you have to trade in a currency other than the US Dollar. That's all they're saying. And you would think, you would think that that's a minor ask when the rest of the world just really, really wants to trade through there. But what that means is the death of the US Dollar as the reserve currency of the world. That means all of those trillions of dollars that are used for global trade come flooding back home domestically because they have no purpose abroad. That means that you have hyperinflation and you have a complete death spiral of our economy. So when I say that this shit matters, trust me, it matters.

[Deep]

Future's bright, everybody. Well, nobody worry.

[Clint]

But this is why you have to fucking stand shoulder to shoulder on the libertarians when we talk about this war shit. It ain't just about woe is me. I really don't like to see kids blown up. If that works for you, great. It should. But if it doesn't, at least hear us when it comes to the practicality of it.

[Deep]

Yep.

[Clint]

The financial.

[Deep]

Yep.

[Clint]

Do you want to be able to afford a home? Do you want to have a family, kids, anything? Okay, this matters.

[Deep]

This is the moment to realize that, you know, we've been divided on this, like, left, right, battle over the years. And it's like, yes, people have some different ideas on how to get to a solution, but people generally want the same things. Life, liberty, family, health, the pursuit of happiness. And it's like, if ever there was a moment for us to understand the battle is, is class versus politics, this is it. So I appreciate any message that comes from the left leaning side or the right leaning side on that. You're obviously a right leaning guy with, with the libertarianism, but extremely, extremely well informed man.

[Clint]

Well, thank you.

[Deep]

You know, the stuff you've talked about, like, I, like I said I followed you on Twitter now for a couple years, like you constantly in my feed and like, you know, it's nice to hear people actually like putting actions behind the things that they believe in. And you've definitely done that, whether it be through your show or like even working inside the Libertarian Party in the past. Like, that's pretty cool. And, and I, I hope you keep trying to educate people so that we can avoid some of these pitfalls we're facing right now.

[Clint]

Well, I appreciate it, man. When I had you on my show a couple months ago, I said, I feel like we're only in the second or third evolution of the podcasting world. Like, as you said, this is still fairly early into it, and I feel like you are that next wave. And I'm thrilled that you've been as successful as you have been. And I just love it when I see people that I like kicking ass. You know, I mean, it's like, it just tells me that I think, I think that there's reason for optimism. I said it earlier. I mean it. Yes, I lay out a very pessimistic outlook when I'm talking about, you know, global finance, but it's not, it's not coming from a place of pessimism. It's fixable. Yeah, it's fixable. It is, but the information battle is what we, you know, as Alex Chung said. Yes, it's the information war. Yeah, we gotta win the information war. And once we win that, the rest will fall into place. So if anybody wants to check out the show. Liberty Lockdown.

[Deep]

Yeah, we'll collab this so people can subscribe. As long as you're good with that, people can subscribe. Literally hitting like next to the title on the video. You'll see Clint's channel. Check it out. Great stuff. I was on the show a couple months ago.

[Clint]

I'm almost at a hundred thousand subscribers, so if you guys get me that subscribe. Silver plaque. For the love of God.

[Deep]

All right, we gotta get him a silver plaque. That should be enough right there. Everyone go subscribe to Clint. Thank you for being here, brother. I appreciate it.

[Clint]

Anytime, man.

[Deep]

All right, everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me.

[Clint]

Peace.

[Deep]

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