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#424 - “False Flag!” - 2030 AI Overlord, Trump Psyop, Israel & Joe Rogan Idea | Amy Dangerfield
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Amy Dangerfield
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Julian
So you're an Australian America firster. You're going to have to explain that one.
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Amy Dangerfield
It's a little controversial, apparently. Yeah, yeah.
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Julian
How does that happen?
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Amy Dangerfield
I think you move to America, you love America. You recognize the difference between the American political system and the Australian one. You realize that America should be the system that everyone has around the world. And Americans really don't know how good they have it. But unfortunately, they're trying to impede on the freedoms that we have here, which makes me particularly passionate about being America first because I know how bad it can get in Australia right now.
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Julian
How long ago, before I dig into that, how long ago did you come over from Australia?
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Amy Dangerfield
10 years ago.
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Julian
And what made you come here?
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Amy Dangerfield
Just through, like a relationship that I had at the time. Ex. Boyfriend.
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Julian
That's how it happens.
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Amy Dangerfield
That's how it happens.
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Julian
And then you come, you love it, you stay.
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Amy Dangerfield
Exactly. Yeah. It was Maui, Hawaii, too. I lived in Maui for four years. So it wasn't.
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Julian
That's not even America. That's like Vietnam.
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Amy Dangerfield
But so what happened is I lived in Maui from 2017 until 2020 when Covid took place. And Hawaii was pretty bad when it came to Covid, the lockdowns and such, really, not comparatively to Australia. Like. Like, even when I was living in Maui, my mom would call me and say, like, I'm so glad that you're living in America compared to being back here.
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Julian
Well, they were living in the purge over there.
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Amy Dangerfield
Absolutely. It was one of the worst countries for sure. But that's why I moved to Florida. Obviously, being a red state, there was a lot more freedoms. I think Florida shut down maybe for like a week. But by the time I got there, it was free reign, basically. But that's what made me very passionate about politics. I was actually very apolitical before COVID But observe, observing the difference between the political systems in Australia versus America may be curious. Like, okay, why do we have so much freedom over here versus Australia, where it was so tyrannical and everything was shut down? There were covered camps. I mean, I'M sure we're going to get into all of it.
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Julian
Yeah. What, so what was the full lore there? Because people talked about that and like, we saw videos of basically like cops visiting people's houses for social media posts about like, hey, I don't like being inside.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
Helicopters above houses and stuff. People going to protest and they're being sh. Rubber bullets, probably other stuff. I don't know. But like, these supposed camps that, that the government was setting up, were these, like, if people were rebelling in any way online, they could get sent there, like, what was the bar?
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Amy Dangerfield
A lot of kids. Actually, this is where a lot of the controversy came. If kids in school exhibited any symptoms of having Covid, they would be taken to these camps sometimes without their parents even knowing what was happening and basically just administering testing isolation, you making sure that they could, you know, curb the spread before. Before returning back to. To civilization. But yeah, it was really bad. You. You couldn't leave your house. There were curfews everywhere. It was basically like the worst liberal cities in America times 50.
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Julian
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
Now, you said you were apolitical. Really, before COVID which includes time being here. But before, even if you were an apolitical person, were there parts of what you saw there that you're like, even back then in 2015, 2016, whatever, where you're like, I don't like this. I don't like where this is going. You didn't.
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Amy Dangerfield
I hadn't. I had no idea. In fact, I actually. Okay, so in Australia, it's a mixed economy. It's. There's elements of socialism mixed in socialized health care. For example, like in Australia, there were a couple of times I got sick, I got free ambulance rides, doctor's appointments were free. A lot of things are subsidized by the government. And at that point, the illegal immigration problem wasn't too bad. It was always a multicultural society, but never overrun with illegal immigration. Right. So I never really recognized how bad it was. But being in America and getting sick a few times, having to pay, you know, 300, 400 for doctor's appointments, I was like, wow, Australians really have it good. Until Covid struck. And then you realize when you are subservient to your government, when they give you so much, you're kind of indebted to them in the sense that when they then turn around and say, you need to do this or they say, you know, jump you, you need to say how high? Yeah, basically you're subservient to them. And it's much more easier in that system for a government to be tyrannical versus a country like America where on the surface maybe you don't have all these, you know, free benefits that are handed out to you, but you have your freedom, which is more important. Your freedom that is enshrined in the American constitution. Australia doesn't have a constitution.
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Julian
There's no constitution whatsoever. What's their like main, highest level codes?
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Amy Dangerfield
Well, I mean, for example, Australia was disarmed in the 90s after a shooting that occurred there. And they didn't have to go through any mass, like legal overhaul in order to enact that. They can just come out and say, this is how it's going to be now, guys. Whereas in America we have our right to free speech, we have the right to bear arms, all of the other amendments, and it takes a lot to try to overturn any of those. It's really impossible, possible. That doesn't stop people from trying, which we've seen recently. And it's kind of scary actually when you consider everything that's happening in the US right now with them trying to attack free speech, 38 states now trying to implement hate speech laws to prevent genuine political discourse. But to a very large degree, America has their freedoms enshrined and protected and I'm grateful for that. That's what ultimately made me an America first.
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Julian
Australian so this is what I'm hearing though, and I agree with you. It's like you see all of the good that America is based on and how much upside the system has, especially in relation to the rest of the world. But because there are some trends where you see like that could potentially go the wrong way if people don't speak the fuck up. You're like, okay, that's where I come in.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, I mean it's where I can try to at least provide some, some, some backup support or some contacts. Like I, I don't want to be the leader of any movement by any means. I want to support the people who are running on an America first platform, for example, the people who are opposing foreign interests coming into the government, people who are, you know, against unnecessary wars in this country. And I also want to provide to them rather than be any figurehead or leader of a movement myself. You know, I, I, I want to support those who are actually doing something and in a position to actually do something.
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Julian
Yeah, now you Mentioned as well, like you mentioned with respect to Australia. But it's something a lot of the world is dealing with, how to figure out where. It's like immigration versus illegal immigration, which we've had, obviously, major issues on our border here and everything that's going into that. But like you, as someone who's immigrating to this country, working on becoming a full CIT right now, how would you describe, I don't know, the usefulness of the system and you trying to do it like the legal way all these years?
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Amy Dangerfield
Well, I mean, I think if you're willing to invest your time, your money, because it's not cheap, it's expensive. Yeah, it's very expensive, actually. And you're willing to assimilate. Obviously, it's not that difficult of difficult to assimilate if you're from a country like Australia or the UK or Western countries where there's similar cultural makeup. But I'd say that's very different than people who are just coming over here because they want a free ride. The incentives are all wrong. Right. We saw that especially during the Biden administration. You go to New York, you get a. What was it, like a $10,000 crazy like, like card to be able to spend on accommodation. Meanwhile, there's homeless veterans in the street. So there is a very big difference. That being said, there's forms of legal immigration that are wrong or exploitive as well, such as the H1B visa programs. That is a legal system that still imports portions of the Third world that are largely incompatible with American society, where you can actually exploit these workers and undercut the American workers and provide them less opportunities, raise the. The base pay for everybody within Those areas where H1B is a prevalent, because these workers are willing to accept, you know, less money, poor working conditions, and basically be exploited just because they want to be here. So I think there is a fine line. I mean, I totally understand the sentiment of people saying they don't want legal immigration as well, because that is largely from H1B visas and other programs like this.
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Julian
Yeah, when I had Tyler Oliver in here in episode 363, he really laid out a lot of the H1B problems and also, like some of the issues where people maybe will draw from their own countries of origin as well to bring in those people as well. And then you're not hiring any Americans, just like you said. And I didn't know as much about that system, but once you look at it and then look at, like, the industries most affected, like tech, like some of the highest level, you're like, all right, it's just kind of another way we're leaving people behind here.
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Amy Dangerfield
100. I mean, a great example of that was the race that just took place in Ohio. Vivek Ramaswamy, you know, he says he wants the pop. The population of Ohio to, like, I don't. I'm not sure if it was double, but grow astronomically. And he's not talking about supporting heritage Ohio and families and encouraging them to have babies and have a prosperous life and live in the American golden age. He wants to import a bunch of H1B visa workers, and those are largely Indians as well. And that's not, like, racist to say that like that. No, no, it's numbers. It's statistics. It's like 70 of H1B visa workers actually come from India, which is his heritage. Right. So exactly to your point, it's wanting to bring in, like, I guess, more of their own to exploit these people and basically to just profit the American system. And that's why there's a very big distinction, I think, between, like, America first and Americans First. Right. You can have America as, like, the organization, as, like, a global superpower, where, as Pam Bondi said, The Dow's at 50,000. That's all we should be talking about. Right. But that's benefiting the. The America system, not the Americans who need to, like, live within it. Right?
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Julian
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Amy Dangerfield
Right.
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Julian
So, yeah, we're a nation of immigrants. I don't think I had any family here before 1900 on either side. That's great. But like, if you're doing it in a way that exploits the people coming in, puts them in a position to not assimilate as well and not create like the melting pot we've been able to create here, you're actually doing them a disservice almost as much as you're doing a disservice to people here who are being left behind.
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Amy Dangerfield
Right.
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Julian
Over and over again. So if we could, for example, have a system, maybe it's not called H1B visas or something, but whatever the fuck it would be called to where it would be required that they are paid at the same level that you would pay American talent or higher even to incentivize having American talent. And also you would be required to have systems to create possible better education or training programs for Americans here first and then other people could come in after those resources are fulfilled. I'd be cool with that.
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Amy Dangerfield
Which, by the way, Donald Trump like pitch, that was a part of his campaign promise. He was originally going to charge anyone who wanted to bring in H1B visa workers, I think it was a hundred thousand per year. And then he switched that up to just a hundred thousand one time after he got into office. And I don't even know if that is a viable policy or a policy that's actually been enforced whatsoever. But he, when he was campaigning, he wanted to make it almost like he wanted to deincentivize people, bringing in workers from other countries to put Americans in the best possible position. And he pitched that. And then there was a lot of controversy when he back walked it. I think it was Dana Bash who he had the interview with, remember where she was pressing him on the H1BS and he was saying, well, we just, we don't have talent here. We don't have talent in America, we need it. And she was, she was shocked. She's like, you're saying we, we have plenty of talent here in America. And he straight up said, no, we do not have talent here in America. So he, he said that? Yeah, Trump said we don't. He said, wait, you haven't, you haven't heard that, of Trump saying that, that they don't have talent here in the usa? Yes, he said that verbatim. That is, that's actually a verbatim quote.
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Julian
Did they hit him with like an opposite day pill or something?
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Amy Dangerfield
I mean they have with everything, every single thing that he campaigned on, honestly. But going back to the immigrant, going back to the immigration thing and like the melting pot thing, I do want to make a point when it comes to illegal immigration because I talked about the perceived benefits that I had as an Australian citizen. Free ambulance rides, free doctor's appointments, largely subsidized everything. But then after I moved to the United States, I'm not sure if it was during COVID or sometime after. That's when the illegal immigration problem became rampant. And these people who came into Australia, they got the same rights as the Australian citizens so far as the health care and everything else. And then suddenly, because we're a mixed economy, socialized economy, our resources were overwhelmed. There wasn't enough for the Australian citizens where all of a sudden, especially if you were in rural areas, you'd call an ambulance and it's like three hours for it to show up if it shows up. There were people who died waiting for ambulance rides. There were entire hospitals that completely stopped elective surgeries because they were so overrun with people needing, needing care and coming in and, and majority of them not actually Australian. And so like people want to talk about socialism and having a social safety net and the benefits of that, we can talk about it. Maybe I see some merit in it, but not as the system currently exists where you also import people who aren't native to your country and you bring them in in large, overwhelming amounts and give them the exact same rights as the people who have been living here for generations, or even if they're just like a legal Australian versus someone who comes in illegally. And if we provide that for absolutely everyone, there's not going to be enough to go around. Like, it's simple math, so you can't have both at the same time.
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Julian
You also run into. And this is something that's been covered by a lot of different people I've had on my podcast over the past couple years. But you run into huge human health and safety issues for the people that you're allegedly open arms telling to come in.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
You know, we have in America, for example, a, a enormous human trafficking problem. And I'm not even talking about just the Epstein stuff. Like, that's, that's one piece up there. Obviously the, the main piece we look at, but I'm saying at the lower levels, like what's happening on the border when the coyotes bring people in and we never see them again? Children.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
You know, but that's where like the whole, oh, we just gotta love everyone and let them in. It stops there. It's like. What about like the dead baby sitting in a freezer in a truck somewhere toxic? Exactly.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
Don't worry about that. It's like. What do you mean, don't worry about that? I am worried about that.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah. No, I, I completely agree. It's, it's backwards. And obviously these are largely Democratic policies that they try to enforce. And there's that saying, like, if you're young and you're not a Democrat, you don't have a heart. But then as you get older, when you're. If you're not a Republican, you don't have a brain because you start to realize, like, we, we can't do all of these things at once. It's an impossible pursuit. Like, it's a noble pursuit for sure to help everybody, but also going to speak about the fact that a lot of the con, the, the immigrants that want to come into this country who are then not. Are compatible with the social makeup or cause a lot of these problems. We have completely destabilized their countries through our actions here in the usa. Yes, that's, that's a piece that people largely leave out. So it's, it's not an issue. That's super simple to solve because there's so many different layers to it, you know, 100%.
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Julian
And we're seeing that on a mass scale right now because, you know, this war in Iran, that's something a lot of people on the left or right agree on, is this started 47 years ago when a regime took over. And yes, that was very bad, but what was put in charge before that? Some CIA run, you know, totalitarian to an extent regime that, yes, it's not as bad as this one, but like it wasn't good and the people then did something and now we're like, oh, not like that. What the.
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Amy Dangerfield
Exactly. Yeah. Cause and effect. We. We did that. And you're right there of agreement on the left and right about that issue. And that's something that I found particularly fascinating as a. I don't like to call myself a political commentator. I'd say I'm largely more a cultural commentator. But, you know, politics is downstream of culture, so that plays into it. Fascinating as somebody who observes politics, because right now I think there's more agreement between the right and left than we've ever really seen before in the last couple days. Yeah, specifically, I mean, even really the last six. Six months since this war started. Because it's really highlighted the fact that like, you know, Epstein files, for example, there's people across the political aisle that don't agree with that. The Iran war and, and APAC funding our politicians. And what is underpinning all of that is a foreign interest, a foreign lobby, a foreign government that has more control over American policy than what our own lawmaker do, which is disgusting. It's because they're funded to the tunes of hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars by this nation. And so they don't serve their constituents, they serve the people who pay them. And it's so sick and so sad that like politics is a pay to play game nowadays. I don't think that this is how our founding fathers envisioned the system would be set up. Beware of foreign influence. Right. It used to be considered treason and now it's commonplace.
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Julian
Yeah, I think a lot of, you know, citizens out there, though, like you, like me, like many of the people listening now with some of the tools we have to be able to see these things, be it, you know, go to fucking Google and type it in and look at the open secrets, you know, opensecrets.com and see who's fun and what. I think a lot of people are waking up to it and they've had some red lines Crossed. Like, for me, what you mentioned there, there were some serious red lines crossed with respect to Israel and what's going on. You know, the Epstein thing's obviously a mess, and he's definitely connected with Mossad and definitely connected my own government, too, with CIA. So that's a whole thing on its own. But, like, we have it as literal White House policy that Operation Epic Fury was at the behest of the Israeli government. They wrote it out themselves. They said it three different fucking ways themselves publicly. And we also have it that we can see all these different groups that are clearly aligned with Israel paying politicians. Just like we complain the Big Pharma does. Just like we complain the Plastics doing. So you should complain about this as well.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
You know, and I feel like it's something to. Where it's also created this enormous distraction where we have to worry about something at home that's now affecting us abroad. And we can't even focus on all the places that actually, like, are a major threat. You don't hear anyone talking about China right now? Yeah, last I checked, China's not stopping all the they're doing, but we're so busy with, you know, one country that needs us to do all their bidding, and I'm sick of it.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah. Yeah. And that's why they say it's like two ends of the same, two wings of the same bird, two. Two sides of the same coin. Obviously, the left and right, there's very important distinctions when it comes to, like, social issues, economic issues, and these things certainly matter. They matter a lot, but they can never be as important as our own sovereignty. And Israel is funding both sides. You're hard pressed to find any politician who isn't funded by APAC and the other funding channels. By the way, there's a lot more than APAC now.
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Julian
Yeah, but the Republican Jewish Coalition.
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Amy Dangerfield
But it's. It's not just that. So one thing that we have been working on recently, I say we. It's actually our cto, and he. I don't know if he wants me to name him or not, but shout out to you. I'm sorry if you want me to say your name, but it's. It's. It's a sketchy thing. I'll explain in a second. He created a tool that doesn't just track APAC and J Street, but 39 other Israeli funding channels that are funding our politicians. Because here's the thing, they kind of caught on to the fact that if you take money from aipac, you'll be not seen as very positive in the court of public opinion. So they're doing it in all of these sneaky, covert ways, including something called donor bundling, where they'll get like anonymous or individual donors to give to these campaigns. But when you track and kind of create a spider web of where these people funnel their money to, it's all Israeli funding channels. These private donors.
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Julian
How do we track that?
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Amy Dangerfield
Through advanced AI. Advanced, I mean it's very difficult to do manually.
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Julian
Advanced AIs trackers, yes.
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Amy Dangerfield
So our, our CTO, he literally spent like a hundred thousand dollars within a week. Actually that's, that's what it cost to be able to do this. And he was able to find links to for example, Amy Acton's campaign out in Ohio. She's the Democrat running for governor, so she just won her primary. She was uncontested against Vivek. So on the Republican side it was Casey Putch first Vivek Ramaswamy. On the Democratic side it was acting uncontested. And on the surface it looks like she hasn't taken any Israeli money. But when you look at the donor bundling, she's actually taken like I need to look at my phone. I don't remember off the top of my head, but it's I believe, hundreds of thousands of dollars actually from Israeli funding channels.
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Julian
I'm totally unfamiliar with this and like how you track that stuff. I know the base level things like when I go on to open secrets.com and contract literally where things are coming from. But when you say like your CTO built an AI, so he track how this is done, what does that look like?
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Amy Dangerfield
So he like looks, looks at for example the publicly available individual donors, who the majority of these individual donors contributions are to Israeli funding channels. So for example, somebody who invested maybe $10,000 in Amy Acton's campaign has put in $300,000 into APAC.
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Julian
Oh, okay.
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Amy Dangerfield
So they do it through these sneaky kind of like covert ways because they don't want the branding of Israel within their funding campaign. They want to be able to say, no, I don't take any foreign money. But your private donors, who make up a large bulk of the money that you've raised, are donating huge amounts to Israeli backed funding channels. And so, so we set this up right. We were able to locate $300,000 more in campaigns such as Randy Fines in Florida, for example, than what track APAC was able to locate. Same as Laura Friedman, who's running in Cal, California's 30th district. We found and Amy's and Vivek's campaign. But it's crazy. Since we actually launched this AI, we've been hit with constant DDoS attacks trying to shut us down. And in fact. Oh, yes, and Randy finds data was actually entirely erased from our website. Yeah, yeah. After we released the campaign exposing that, we found $300,000 more. They completely erased everything. Of course, we had backup ups and then our CTO re secured the website. But it's just wild, the lengths that they go to conceal this stuff. And it just shows that we're over the target at the end of the day. Same thing actually, with our. Our event website. So we just put on an event where we brought together America first candidates across. Yeah, I mean, we can get into that a little bit later. It was. It did quite. It wasn't quite the unifying event that I had intended, but the event website from when we launched, we had a question box there. And just as soon as we started gaining traction and posting using the AI, exposing these candidates, the question box was every single day spammed with illicit material pertaining to children.
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Julian
Oh, Jesus.
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Amy Dangerfield
They're trying to shut the website down. Which, again, it just. It just shows that we're over the target. But this is truly like a genocidal apartheid state that will do absolutely anything to retain the power that it has within the American government. And this is what is unifying people, is opening their eyes to that fact. Even if we disagree on a million other things, I think we can all agree that our sovereignty is the most important. And, like, being a free country again,
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Julian
I really wonder sometimes if this is the point, them doing this. All. All these things that you see is the point. Because every single thing you just highlighted is a prototypical or, you know, what's the word I'm looking for? Prime example of a Streisand effect. All these things bounce back and boomerang at 10 times the size on the opposite effect of what they want. And this is why I think about this. You look at people who, you know, objectively do things that I don't like. Think of Benjamin Netanyahu, think of John and Jonathan Greenblatt from the head of the ADL and stuff like that. That, you know, I may think that a guy like Netanyahu is evil for what he's done with, you know, genocide in Gaza, ethnic cleansing, Lebanon. Let's go on with his whole career. I may think a guy like Jonathan Greenblatt's a. For all the things he's done with the ADL list could go on with that. But what I won't do is let my dislike for those people cloud my judgment of what their capabilities are. And what I mean is, these are not stupid people. These are very, very smart people. And so I asked myself, a guy like Benjamin Netanyahu, who. Pry, who. Whose whole life I have studied inside and out, who prior to October 7, 2023, as best as I can tell, was a William Jefferson Clinton level politician. I mean, this guy could lie to your face and you'd almost believe him. Did he just suddenly become a complete and utter real PR wise after October 7th? Did Jonathan Greenblatt suddenly decide that every single thing that comes out of my mouth is going to be something that is going to have the opposite effect of what I want to happen? And the list could go on with people who are strongly, like, supporting the current government in Israel and. All right, I think the answer is no. I. I think it's a part of some sort of fucking campaign to foment fear.
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Amy Dangerfield
Protoplan.
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Julian
Yeah, sure. And so you look at this and you realize, like, think of every tweet you see, whether it be a tweet from the fucking Israeli government or a tweet from this person doing that. Think of every time you see someone go on Piers Morgan. Think of every time anything public happens that's lips are moving or fingers are fucking typing. If choice A is like, okay, I could say this or type this and it won't make things worse. It's not even like a good choice. It's just, this won't make things worse, worse. And choice B is, this will make things much worse for me. Why do these people pick choice B every time?
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Amy Dangerfield
It's either out of desperation because they're running out of time to fulfill something. And sometimes when you're desperate, that clouds your judgment. That's one option that I've looked at. And the other one is exactly what you're saying. It is a part of some type of long game that maybe we don't fully understand. And that's the scary part. I've actually considered this, actually, when it comes to the Democratic Party during the Biden regime, right, where everything got so crazy when it came to the gender stuff and kids getting transgender surgeries, men and women's sport, all of this was actually insane to the average Democrat, just like a traditional Democrat. But it was the thing that was put on loudspeaker that everybody heard about. And I almost feel like those specific initiatives policies were largely funded by NGOs to make the Democrats. Pratt seems so Insane and so crazy that Donald Trump would need to be elected. And once Donald Trump got elected, obviously, then he was funded to the tune of, you know, $200 million by APAC. He'd already taken a good amount of money from them, but then he went from, like 20 million to, like, 200 and something million. And then all of a sudden, we're at war with Iran. Would he have gotten into office if the Democrats didn't seem so untenable as an option due to all of these insane social policies to which they've largely conceded now, like we. The culture war. And it was easy to win because these things that they wanted were so patently insane, but they seem so insane that I'm like, what did they actually think that this was, like, the right thing or, like a viable thing? No, I feel like this. This was an intentional psyop to make the Democratic Party seem so insane that there was no other choice but Donald Trump. And that may sound crazy, but also the fact that people actually believe these policies in the first place was crazy. I think it took a lot of funding and a lot of psyops in order to make that even possible.
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Julian
Yeah, I don't think you're crazy at all. I don't know if you're right, but I think about the same thing you do all the time. I think it's a viable possibility. Because the other thing. I was just talking with my friend Clint yesterday on a podcast about this, but, you know, when Donald Trump's first term, once he had had, you know, been a year out or something like that, and you could actually, like, think about it and get past, like, the coven hysteria and all that. When that had ended, it was like, you look back on it, and there were a lot of political things I disagreed with on. On him. But you remembered the fear going into it that people would stoke, oh, he's gonna hit the red button. Oh, it's gonna be a complete disaster. The economy is going to crash. America's gonna be dead. None of that happened. He was chaotic. He tweeted some stupid. You know, he fired people in 10 days sometimes. Like, it wasn't all perfect. Perfect. I believe Covid would have happened to any president. I didn't particularly. I'm not saying he made all the right decisions there, but I didn't blame that on him.
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Amy Dangerfield
Right.
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Julian
So to speak. So everything before that, I was like, you know, it wasn't the worst presidency I've ever seen. Meaning when. If. If there's a possibility he gets elected again, I'm not going into it like, oh, fuck, I wonder what's going to happen here. I'm more like, okay, we kind of, you know, there's going to be some chaos. We know we're going to get. I know Donald Trump is a New York real estate business guy. I know he's a trained professional liar. I know he's a bullshitter. I get it. And he did that sometimes in, in the first administration. The level of Opposite Day, as I referenced earlier though, that he has done in this current administration is beyond the pale for even what I expected. Yeah, he is gaslighting everyone to an extent that is like, in my head, I'm starting to think this is in a totally different way, almost beyond some of the gaslighting that I would hear from Karine Jean Pierre every day at the, at the press conferences when Biden was in there.
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Amy Dangerfield
I agree.
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Julian
I mean, am I crazy to think that.
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Amy Dangerfield
No, you're not crazy. He did a total 180 on every single that he promised. One of the biggest things that he promised was no new wars. And I, I don't even think that being America first means being an isolationist. I think there is wars that directly benefit our hemisphere in America directly, you know, but starting the war in Iran, like, yes, they, they don't like us. They're not big fans of America. But were they any direct danger to us per se?
- [35:32]
Julian
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Deep
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- [36:05]
Julian
Tik Tok's got millions of them. Could you whip one up in under eight? Probably. But hey, it's not a race. Grab the recipes on TikTok and start cooking.
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Amy Dangerfield
If our metric for going to war with countries who don't like us is just that they don't like us.
- [36:25]
Julian
China right now.
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Amy Dangerfield
Exactly. There's like, as James Fishback says, there's like, like 50 countries that we should be at war with right now. 100. It's, it's at the behest of Israel. Marco Rubio said it straight from the jump. You know, Iran was going to attack Israel and we believe that would then precipitate an attack on our Allies in the region or the United States directly. They admitted it from the jump. But it wasn't just that, obviously. Also, like the Epstein files, that was one of the biggest campaign promises. And if it wasn't for Thomas Massie and Rona, actually a bipartisan resolution, people, people reaching across the aisle to actually enact any change, we wouldn't have anything at all right now. And we still don't have everything. We have what, 3 million out of 6 million files? Something like that.
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Julian
Yeah, there's some convenient 1999-2001 files missing too.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [37:17]
Julian
Interesting.
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Amy Dangerfield
There you go. It wasn't the redactions as well. That was crazy when they initially released them. And it was sloppy names, right?
- [37:24]
Julian
Don't redact those, but we need to know those.
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Amy Dangerfield
But also, like, so going back to what you were saying about like, some of these things intentional to evoke some type of a reaction, do you think the US Government is actually that sloppy that their redactions were so sloppy that people could literally put them in word and unredact them because they weren't even properly redacted to begin with? Like, I, I don't understand what the long game necessarily may be, but I am not so small minded to believe that there is. There isn't some type of long game attached to all of this because it truly is so opposite. It makes no sense. Unless they're truly hanging something over his head that he's so terrified that he'll just do whatever it is that they say.
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Julian
I think you're. I think you're cooking on that.
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Amy Dangerfield
Well, maybe it's a combination of both. I don't know.
- [38:13]
Julian
It could be. And, and it could be a combination even beyond that too. But I have these same thoughts you do about like, what is, you know, everyone says it like the 5D chess move here. I don't know.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
I mean, I'm a YouTuber. Like, it's not that serious, but I'm asking the questions that a lot of people out there listening right now are sitting at home going, yeah, this seems, seems kind of off. And I think it could be a huge opportunity, you know, because we've been fighting the whole, like, left right thing forever and people have been, you know, victims of, including me, like victims of psyops in one direction or another with different ideologies that get injected within there. You already highlighted some that were absolutely crazy. And we then fight over, you know, as the 99%, the stuff that's only going to move 5% one way or the other.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
And While we do that, and we're out burning shit in the streets sometime, you know, well, you and me aren't, but other people are. You know, the people who actually run this world get to sit in the back room and say, all right, got them right where we need them. Now let's do the shit that matters.
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Amy Dangerfield
It's a distraction 100%. They keep us distracted with culture wars so they can go and they can get away with. With. With genocide and with treason and betraying the American people. And we're too busy fighting one another over gender and. And. And economic things that we don't turn around and point the finger at who's actually to blame for a lot of the chaos. Like, they intentionally sow the chaos to keep us distracted to a large degree. And that doesn't mean that the. Again, that the disagreements that we have aren't legitimate and that they're not important. They are. Are. They're. They're very important. But I think we need the ability to be able to maintain our sovereignty, to have a free country, so we can fairly argue about these things in the actual courts and in the court of public opinion, and the best idea will win. But we're not able to legitimately doing that when it's two sides of the same bird intentionally sewing this chaos to keep us fighting.
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Julian
I agree. You look at, like, the American Revolution, which I love studying these guys. You had everything from like, an Aaron Byrd to an Alexander Hamilton as a part of those factions from 1775 to 1783. They all fucking agreed they were good. They're like, hey, we got. We got a main priority here. Let's take care of that. And then later, they're fucking literally shooting each other. That's sad, but it is what it is. You know, it just goes to show you, we haven't had enough of a unifying moment with things. Now, here's. Here's one I think about a lot, because you're thinking on a lot of patterns here. And, like, I've been doing this a long time, and over time, you. You kind of like, step out and you see things that people say in front of you in here that sometimes it's like, in the moment, you're like, that's interesting. Then later, you're like, oh, that's way more interesting now. But I remember back in the second time I recorded with Andrew Bustamante back in. Well, we recorded the end of June 2022. He was saying in that podcast, he said a line. You know, he worked at CIA, definitely still does, by the way. You know, and he was like, we need an enemy. I was like, what do you mean by that? He's like, we need an enemy that we can all agree and coalesce around, because that's something that will actually unify people and get away from some. And that's one place where I look at the timeline now and then I'm like, you know, now he says that in June, he's starting to put that out there. And then, you know, you get the Kanye shit in fall 2022, you get October 7th and fall 2023, you get everyone talking about this, and suddenly everyone's just talking about Israel and all that. And you're like, is, is some of that again, like on the five? Yeah, some of that.
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Amy Dangerfield
Very intentional, Yes, I think largely so people think start speaking out about it so they can institute these hate speech laws and have a legitimate framework for doing that. Because again, you. Do you understand what I'm saying? Cuz like, again, you, you see this all around the world. It's like their typical, like, problem reaction, solution playbook where if they can say enough people are sewing hate and are being conspiratizing and are being anti Semitic, they will use that to crush legitimate political discourse. Some people are so fed up that they're not being very tough, tactful with the way that they explain the problem. And I don't blame them, honestly, because it is so patently obvious that sometimes you just want to double down and say some pretty harsh things. And then on the other hand, you have people who are a little bit more polished and a little bit more political and are presenting the issue is what it is. But either way, we're talking about the same thing. But the conversation is becoming so prevalent that now they're pushing harder than ever to push these hate speech laws in 38 states around the US and this is the country that's meant to be about free speech. Like, I, I told you, I haven't been back to Australia in 10 years
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Julian
and I. Oh, you've never gone back once?
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Amy Dangerfield
No.
- [43:23]
Julian
Oh, I didn't realize that at first.
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Amy Dangerfield
It was just merely because it's like a long flight, expensive, whatever, but. But like, I couldn't go back now because there are people who are being arrested for far more benign things than the stuff that I espouse on, on podcasts like this or on my own show or even the event that I tried to organize just last weekend, right, where we're blatantly calling out the issue for what it is in Long form to extend. I mean, there's, there's fathers in Australia who've been arrested for 47 second speeches on Australia Day where they say that Israel is not the greatest ally, it's the greatest enemy. Arrested behind bars. Yes, behind bars. There was a woman who was arrested for a political T shirt that said from the river to the sea. That's it. She wore it to a protest. She said nothing else. She was arrested. Joel Davis, there's so many different examples of people who've actually been put behind bars that are being criminally prosecuted. And now the burden of proof, or the standard of proof in Australia is simply you say something that instills fear inside of a Jewish person. Not direct, you know, harm or threat to their, well being.
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Julian
Subjective.
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Amy Dangerfield
Subjective. Something that, that purely instills fear in them. And obviously who's the arbiter of that, right? I mean, it's, it's not your average Australian person. Australians can put up with a lot, okay? We, we have a saying, we call it taking the piss, which we, we make fun of each other a lot, we tease each other a lot. What, what Americans would call roasting. It's a roasting culture, okay? But if you even instill fear inside of a Jewish person, you can be put behind bars for five years. So I agree with you here in the US A lot of the, I agree with you here in the US A lot of the, the drama that's being stirred up both sides of the political aisle calling out the same issue, albeit maybe using slightly different words in different ways, is some more extreme than others. It's becoming so prevalent that they're going to say we have a rampant issue with anti Semitism and that then gives them justification to actually enforce the hate speech laws that they've already instituted. A lot of these are past, by the way. They're just not being enforced at scale. But like, Florida is one of the worst, Ohio is one of the worst. And then there's another 36 states in total Israel. But once they click that on button and they say, okay, now you're being prosecuted for this legitimately. They just need justification in order to be able to do that. They need this, the sentiment to be not just like simmering, but boiling over.
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Julian
Are you talking about the BDS law specifically?
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
So that's like, if you're a business that refuses to do business with Israel or something like that, what, what can happen? What are these laws saying?
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, so, so basically it, it's, there's things that affect businesses, but it's Even on an individual level. For example, if you speak out about the state of Israel, you're ineligible to get a green card in a lot of these states. Like they're blocking immigration from people who actually want to spend real money. Like, honestly, like, I'm kind of scared for that. I'm not a full citizen yet. Like, I, I, I, I don't know if I could be necessarily criminally prosecuted, but I could have have this whole life that I've built taken away just for speaking out about this subject. But yeah, absolutely, you're not, you're not allowed to, to speak negatively about Israel. Otherwise the, the government, they have legitimate reasons to boycott your business, not do business with you, and to, to basically come after your livelihood.
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Julian
But if I say, you know, France, that's fine. Good.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, yeah, fuck the France.
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Julian
I like, I like France. Yeah, great place. But if I said that I'm good,
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Amy Dangerfield
listen, you can, here's the thing. You can love place Adam.
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Julian
Come on.
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Amy Dangerfield
I believe it. Listen, you can love your country and not love your government. There's nothing wrong, there's nothing wrong with that. You should be able to criticize your government. And the issue is now you can actually criticize the American government more than the Israeli government as an American. And there's less repercussions for criticizing our own president than criticizing BBC Netanyahu. Like, what the heck?
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Julian
Which by the way, can we pull this up? Thief. Bibi Netanyahu was elected with like 27% of the vote in Israel, which was like the Orthodox vote and like the hardcore like right wing vote. You and I were talking before camera Shortly before October 7th, they were on the brink of civil war because people were in the streets while he took control of the courts y to and changed the constitution effectively or was trying to do it to get him out of office. And now, now there is, there's protests in Tel Aviv, I believe.
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Amy Dangerfield
Oh yes. They're asking for inquiries until October 7th,
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Julian
which is, and beyond. Yeah, awesome to hear that because there's been a lot of Israelis who were around that, that day testifying on that publicly in front of, I don't know if it's all like Knesset. I've seen some videos where it's people associated with Knesset, but I don't want to say officially because it's not in front of me, but they've been talking about like the stand down order and stuff like that. You know, every powerful country in this world does false flag shits.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
So you need to ask the question. But this is Literally last week, you and I were talking about this. All these people out in the streets demanding the inquiry, just like you said. Yeah. Inquiry into the events of October 7, which. Great for them. And that's what I mean. Like, shout out to the Israelis who want this.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yes.
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Julian
Like it's, it's common sense.
- [49:01]
Amy Dangerfield
Exactly.
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Julian
I was talking with a guy, I'm not going to say who it was because it was off the record, but someone who's been really connected, connected to events over there in the last few years, who's not Israeli at all, but has spent a lot of time around Israelis. And this was the one thing he said when, when he was talking about some of the things where he's come out and made some pretty strong statements. A lot of people in the Knesset have come to him and been like, brother, you are brave. How can we help?
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Amy Dangerfield
Wow.
- [49:28]
Julian
He's like, what do you mean? Just say something. They're like, no, no, we can't.
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Amy Dangerfield
How can we support you, though?
- [49:32]
Julian
I'm like, holy. It's that, it's that, like, it's that level.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah. 100, dude. Charlie Kirk, who is one of the biggest proclaimed, like Israel loyalists, right, literally is on Record on PBD podcast in 2023 asking was there a stand down order. I have been to Israel. It takes 40 minutes to get to the, the Gaza border via helicopter. And they let this thing carry out for hours and hours and hours was like, make it make sense. And you're absolutely right. False flags do happen all over the world. I personally believe that. The Bondi beach shooting in Australia, I believe that was a false flag because this five year prison sentence that I'm talking about, that comes from instilling fear in Jewish people that came about directly after the Bondi beach shooting. And so, you know, dude, no, I, I believe you.
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Julian
It could certainly be that. Do we have like, evidence to support that?
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Amy Dangerfield
There is circumstantial ev. Evidence. I would say that the one guy, his name is like Armin. You said his name earlier. Yes. So He's a top 50 Zionist strategist in the entire world. Okay. He literally has it in his bios on all of his social medias. So my question, what are you strategizing, sir? He literally survived October 7th as well as the Bondi beach shooting. Like, just the mere percentile chance of being in those two attacks and surviving them both within a close proximity is very minuscule. Like, like extremely low. Like, I wouldn't say impossible, but highly, highly improbable. And then when you add to the fact that he was literally on the floor taking a selfie after getting shot with the caption saying, they're attacking the Jews again.
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Julian
Yeah, that's not what I'm thinking to do while I'm getting attacked.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yes. I mean, that's not a natural human like, reflex when you're going through something like that. Right, right. And then again, like he literally has in his bio, he's a strategist. I mean, maybe take that out of your bio if you don't want people to connect the dots. But immediately after that, they instituted the hate speech laws. Now maybe it's a coincidence. There's also that saying, you know, never waste a crisis. Also a false flag doesn't mean that people didn't actually die, that the whole thing was like faked and set up. Like people, people can die in false flag attacks, you know, Know. But there is a large possibility that there were people who carried this out with the agenda to actually push through these hate speech laws. Or maybe the Australian government was just waiting for the perfect moment to click the on button. Don't waste a crisis either way, you know, there's an agenda that they want to fulfill and they will fulfill that by any means necessary. Whether they orchestrate that or not, or they're patiently waiting for something to justify what they want to enact.
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Julian
Yeah. You have to ask questions like that when it's so perfectly correlated. It doesn't mean that's that's what it is. But you know, you make a good point. No matter what, if there's some sort of crisis or event that could be taken care of, you know, where they can get something through, they'll do it. I mean, look at everything we did after 911 in this country. Well, we, the government did.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
After 9 11. And that's another thing. You see Trump asking for the FISA 702 now and he, and he's like, I'm willing to give up a little bit of my safety to make sure we're, we're. A little bit of my freedoms to make sure we're safe. It's like, malaka. There's literally a fucking quote from Benjamin Franklin that says anyone who, who would sacrifice a little bit of liberty for safety deserves. Yeah, it's like, what the fuck are you doing?
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, that's, that's the benefit of America. We are a free country. If you want to sacrifice that, then quite frankly, that is un American to me. Me. Yeah.
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Julian
Yeah. And that was another thing. Like there's always been like this major gun debate In America and all that. Seeing the stuff, forget here, seeing the stuff in Australia.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
During the height of COVID is what really put me over the top with like, yeah, we got to protect that
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Amy Dangerfield
Second Amendment, you know, 100% like it
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Julian
because you just see like you said, a disarmed country and they got no power. Power against any type of totalitarianism.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
And like, I'm just saying if I were trying to study a future police state in America, if I'm like Palantir or something like that, I'd have been, I'd have been test harvesting all over Australia.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, it's literally called the test kitchen of the world. That's where they test a lot of these very dystopian policies. Digital ID is another one. Not sure if you're familiar, but like, so Thomas Massie and a few of the good politicians in our Congress actually spoke out about real id, which is something that's been implemented in the US because it's the first step towards, towards digital id because basically it's just it. So digital ID in Australia basically incorporates everything about yourself. So like your, all of your, your, your, your medical records, your driving records, like everything, it's all implemented into one singular id. And they sell it as convenience, saying, well, you don't need to, for example, when you're applying for a house, upload multiple verification documents and this and that because it's all digitized inside of this one central id. And so they're pitching it as this thing that you can use for safety. But this is the first step, for example, that was implemented in, in communist China before they implemented their social credit system. If you say, say anything that the government doesn't like, doesn't approve of, then all of a sudden they can switch off your access to funds to travel to be able to do anything that you would usually use your ID for. I truly believe that Australia actually is going to be the first country that actually resembles communist China in everything other than name. And they will implement something of a, a social credit system system where you're penalized for actions that you, that you take or do not take basically against the government. And it's a way to keep everybody subservient.
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Julian
How do forget the United States for a minute and other places at this point. How does Australia stop something like that happening?
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Amy Dangerfield
Honestly, for a long time I kind of thought that we were cooked and it really wasn't worth talking about. But what we're starting to see in Australia is mass protest, protests occurring. There was something called the March For Australia, where tens of thousands, maybe hundreds, we can look it up, took to the streets and they protested this along with the rampant illegal immigration, because the two actually go hand in hand. If you allow me to back up for a minute and kind of explain, I see what's happening in Australia as kind of like a, a multifaceted approach. So, number one, they're implementing all of these dystopian policies, such as their digital ID system, such as their speech laws, really dystopian policies to control people. Number two, they're also importing the third world and creating rampant illegal immigration to the point where it is overwhelming our Social Security system to the point where there's crimes like that here in, in the U.S. where, you know, there is, there is murders and there's, there is rapes, there's terrible things happening, happening. And I believe they're trying to make the problem so bad when it comes to illegal immigration that eventually Australians are going to call out for, for a solution. Help me, please, Daddy government. And then they'll enact their problem reaction, solution playbook. Okay, now we have the digital id, which can be utilized as a social credit score. Okay. Now we're going to press the on button and we're going to enable this for everybody, not just if you're in the, the private sector, but in the public sector as well, for absolutely everyone. And they're going to use it as a guise to get rid of the illegal immigrants. They already did this in the UK actually. Kia Stam has said by 2030, every single person needs to have a digital ID, otherwise you won't be able to work. And he pitched it as an idea to kick out all of the illegal immigrants. And Australia pull that up.
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Julian
That's why.
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Amy Dangerfield
And Australia is going to do a very similar thing. Australia is like the little brother to the uk okay. But also because it's on an island and kind of isolated again. It's, it's the test kitchen. They could do all types of crazy out there.
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Julian
They sent all their prisoners there. They.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, exactly. We're, we're a country made of convicts, basically.
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Julian
Yeah. So he really. By 2030, you won't be able to get a job in the uk.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yep. You need a digital ID to be able to work. And, and it's probably going to be quicker than that. He probably just announced that to kind of be the prelude to get everybody activated to get them looking to do that. There's been protests in the uk. Well, again, going back to your question, what can people do? It's Difficult in disarm civilizations like the UK or like Australia because we don't have a mass defense against tyranny. That's largely what our second amendment is for, to defend against a tyrannical government that no such thing exists in Australia and in the uk. So all they can really do is have is. Is protest, take to the streets and make enough noise that hopefully somebody listens or somebody steps up.
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Julian
Who's this jerk off thief? World economic. Yeah, but who is this guy? That's not Kirma.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, Kira said it there.
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Julian
The Spanish guy. No, it's not the Spain pm, is it? Let's play it. Let's play it. Media in our countries, no one can walk the streets with a mask on their face or drive a car without a license plate. No one can send packages without showing
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Deep
an ID or buy a hunting weapon
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Julian
without giving their name. And yet we are allowing people to roam freely on social networks without linking their profiles to a real identity. This paving the way for misinformation, hate speech and cyber harassment because it is facilitating the use of bots and it is allowing people to act without being held accountable for their actions. Such an anomaly cannot continue in a democracy. Citizens have the right to privacy. So actually this is, this is interesting to bring up because it's related to what you're saying. It wasn't the Cure Starmer thing, but it's another thing you hear a lot of these guys, whether it be the WEF or the literal world leaders, when they're out talking on their stumps, talking about online and policing misinformation with respect to bot campaigns and propaganda and stuff like that. Now this is where it gets complicated too, because I'm of the opinion you have to let everything out there and let the best speech win, as painful as that is when it includes stuff that is completely not real.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
Cuz we're not dealing with like the old days where it's a bunch of people talking face to face in a public square.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [61:02]
Julian
We're now dealing with what he's pointing out there, which is behind a keyboard to me when I hear stuff like that, like we have to police bots for. He said misinformation. Very 1984 word hate speech. Also a very 1984 ish type term because of these bot campaigns for propaganda. He is dressing up a Trojan horse.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [61:21]
Julian
With something that does look like an actual threat and saying, yeah, yeah, we'll just do this. And then the whole city, Troy gets sacked after that.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah. I mean if you believe in free speech, that means protecting speech that you don't like.
- [61:35]
Julian
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- [62:09]
Amy Dangerfield
are you really buying a car online on Autotrader right now? Really? At a playground? Yeah, really? Look at these listings from dealers. Wow. Your search can really get that specific. Really? And you just put in your info and boom. Cars in your budget. Mom needs a second. Honey. You can really have it delivered. Really? Or I can pick it up at the dealership. One sec, sweetie. Mommy's buying a car. Mommy. I think Kate is walking up the slide, Kyle. Again? Really? Auto trader. Buy your car online. Really? From sources that you don't know or sources that you do not agree with? Because by that same token, it could be speech that you believe in the next day or the next year or ten years from now. Right. You gave the example when we were talking before. They could literally turn that into, okay, now it's illegal to talk about God or your belief in God. Right. So it's a very slippery slope and we need to treat. Read it like that. And we need to protect all speech, including speech that we don't like and don't agree with. 100.
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Julian
I just don't understand how people get like that. How people actually get to the point where, you know, they get elected in this position by their fellow people.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
And they start talking like that. Like, what switch happens to where it's like, yeah, now this is the way to go.
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Amy Dangerfield
I don't know. Well, they say, like, absolute power corrupts absolutely. So it could be a little bit of that, or it could be that it was a part of an agenda to begin with, that these people were funded and not necessarily installed. It appears as if they were elected democratically, but they had all of the money from the people who want to instill these policies backing them, the establishment endorsements backing them from, you know, and these establishment endorsements are influenced by the same people who want to enact these policies. And so when they're put in power, they feel obligated. Right. They're. They're subservient, they're at the behest of somebody else and not their constituent constituents, which is a massive problem everywhere in, in our Congress. I think there's maybe, I don't even know what the number is. Like less than a quarter of the Congress who don't take any money from a foreign nation. When this, literally, this used to be considered treason.
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Julian
Yeah.
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Amy Dangerfield
And now it's just normal.
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Julian
It's crazy.
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Amy Dangerfield
Treason used to be punishable by death, and now it's commonplace.
- [64:23]
Julian
We've legalized.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, that's the problem. It's. It's not saying. Yeah. And so how do we. How do we fix. Fix that? You know, in my opinion, it's by installing genuine America first candidates who can infiltrate the system because a third party really isn't viable. Anyone who's tried to do it in the past has realistically failed. But I think it's either by infiltration of the parties or while you're attempting to infiltrate, you prepare. And if the system collapses under its own corruption, then you pose the. The viable solution. You know, if there's, if there's civil war or civil unrest, which it's sad to say, that doesn't seem impossible. Maybe it's not likely, but it doesn't seem impossible that something like that could happen with the, the fury that people have towards the government and the people who are meant to be serving them.
- [65:15]
Julian
Yeah, I would, I would very much like to think we'd never get anywhere near that point. I always try to pull back on that. I do feel like if there were going to be a moment where that would have happened, it would have been like during the COVID era, when people were actually fully blown at home, like, restless, getting pissed off and like, got bad, to be very clear.
- [65:34]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [65:34]
Julian
But at the end of the day, a lot of people, they're keyboard warriors.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [65:38]
Julian
They ain't like that in the streets.
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Amy Dangerfield
But again, they still had more freedom than places like Australia and these other places. Do you think if it got as bad as what it was in Australia with COVID camps, full tyranny, literally can't leave your house, literally can't see your family members. Family members were dying in the hospitals, unable to see their, Their, their next of kin because of COVID restrictions and died alone.
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Julian
Yeah, it's horrible. Like, what you're talking about is revolution. That's not civil war.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
That would be where you would see a massive unification of people regardless of political beliefs. You'd see the dude in the nom hat and the chicken, the pink hair with a nose ring fight on the same side.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
Yes. Yes. I do think. I do think if things got to such a dystopian extent, for sure, I can see that. And I think that's why we got to stop that. And if. And it's like the thing about even like a Keir Starmer, I agree with you. It's probably in that he's just fucking funded into where kingdom come at this point to say whatever he's got to say. But, like, the dudes always saying the biggest strongman, things like that around the world these days are the weakest people. Like, he's a very weak man.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [66:44]
Julian
Like, that dude isn't lasting in a ring with anybody, but he don't even know how to put his hands up.
- [66:50]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [66:50]
Julian
You know, but yet he's out here like, we're going to digital ID you and know everything you do.
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Amy Dangerfield
And if you do anything wrong, you
- [66:57]
Julian
won't ever have a fudge you, bro.
- [67:00]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
How they say that in fucking Britain? Fuck off.
- [67:02]
Amy Dangerfield
Piss off. Yeah, 100%. But again, they don't have. They don't have leopards to fight back to even threaten to create a revolution if it didn't get to civil war, to even threaten to have a revolution because. Because they don't have weapons.
- [67:19]
Julian
We don't. They just have people here, though.
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Amy Dangerfield
We. We don't. We don't. But, I mean, there are people who are trying to infringe on the first and Second Amendment, Second Amendment for a long time, specifically on the left with all types of regulations and restrictions on gun laws. But now with the attack on. On the First Amendment, it's getting a little bit dicey. It's getting a little.
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Julian
I worry about.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, it's. It's getting very dicey. If we get to the point where people in America are being arrested for tweets. I mean, did you hear about the girl who actually got arrested in Florida for making a joke about Netanyahu? Like, she didn't want to take her test at the university. She's like, netanyahu, please come, or something like that. She got arrested. Now, probably not the best thing to say, but clearly a joke. And she is being criminally prosecuted to a larger extent than people who are actually dropping bombs on behalf of Israel and murdering millions of people, hundreds of thousands of people, at least east, and trying to ethnically cleanse and genocide an entire civilization.
- [68:20]
Julian
And where do you draw the line on this? There's that kid who's been going viral basically, like in the sunglasses in his car, going, benjamin Netanyahu my wife is near having a nuclear bomb. Do what must be done. Exactly. All right, we can arrest that kid too, right?
- [68:35]
Amy Dangerfield
Exactly.
- [68:36]
Julian
Oh, my God.
- [68:38]
Amy Dangerfield
It's dicey. It's real dicey. I genuinely believe that over the next two years, there is a higher, higher possibility for real political change than what we've seen in, in decades. In decades. And it's again, mostly driven by a fear paradigm. But fear can be a great motivator. It truly can be. I know that for a fact because that's why I'm sitting here having these conversations. That's why I talk about what I talk about on my podcast. I, I get more views when I just dunk on feminists and talk about the feminism issue. I'll get 10 times more views on a video like that, truly, than, than me sitting here talking about America first and Israeli occupation, infiltrating our government about a genocide in Gaza. I get way more views and way less pushback when I just talk about the sexual revolution and the destruction of the modern family and blah, blah, blah. And that's important to talk about too, but I feel like I have a moral obligation to speak about this issue because not enough people are. When enough people do, maybe I'll take a step back and I'll freaking chill. I prefer that. I want to have a family. I just got married, like, two months ago.
- [69:40]
Julian
Congratulations.
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Amy Dangerfield
Thank you. I wanna, I wanna have, like, three kids. I, I, I want to dedicate my time to raising them and not feel like the, the, the weight of the country rests on my shoulders and the shoulders of other people who are speaking up. If we get enough people doing that, then maybe I won't have to talk about this stuff.
- [69:58]
Julian
Yeah.
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Amy Dangerfield
And I'm not, like, trying to pretend like everything I say makes such a big difference. It doesn't. But we all have our part to play.
- [70:04]
Julian
Right?
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Amy Dangerfield
Again, if we operate with the mentality that nothing's going to change or that someone else will do it so we don't need to do, do it, then nothing will change. It's, it's very simple concept.
- [70:14]
Julian
I think it's, I think it's more. I would rather see a system where the current system we have of the major donors of, you know, the elite class who control our politicians. I'd rather accept the idea that the people who run for office suck, but know the people control them versus those interests. That would be a win for me because I've just seen again and again how, how low a hit, how much politicians of all wings of the feather will disappoint you. And again, maybe this is leaning towards the cynicism and I'll accept that criticism. But like if there were a way to make sure that they were actually fearful of the blowback of the people. Like I saw there's. And I don't know anything about it yet. We're going to look into this tomorrow and probably talk about this weekend on the episode Deep and I do, but like there's like this data center argument right. Right now out in Utah where Kevin O' Leary is trying to build some 60 square mile or something. I, I don't even know. I don't know any details yet. But I watched this local, you know, community meeting with the politicians where you had angry people righteously. So it seems like I don't know, a thousand of them, 2000 of them in an auditorium and the politicians sat there and still did the opposite of what they were wanted because they don't fear the people. Yeah, we need to be whatever we could do to get it in a position to where the politicians fear the people and not just some elites paying them that I'll get behind.
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Amy Dangerfield
But, but okay, I hear you. The data center issue is, is really big because it's going to destroy heritage sites around the country. Not only that, you know, it, it does take a good amount of employees to build them, but after it only takes like 120 something to be able to sustain them to be employed there. So it doesn' meaningfully to the economy. And then also data centers are a form of surveillance. They're ultimately surveillance centers as well. So there is a bunch of different things that are wrong with them and the average everyday person doesn't want them in their state. A lot of these America first candidates are also running on blocking those as well. Like yes, you can have the power of the people on your side, but what does that matter when there isn't anyone in office to actually represent what the people are saying?
- [72:28]
Julian
That that's fair. Yeah, that's, that's very fair. But I'm also like if it were in a position where people had. When people campaign, they have to campaign on what the people want to try to win. Now whether or not they then put that into practice is a separate question.
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Amy Dangerfield
Right.
- [72:42]
Julian
But the people you're talking about, even if they're doing it for the wrong reasons, then that's great that they're campaigning on what clearly the constituents that they're going to be trying to win over could all agree on from the left to right. All right, we don't want these data centers.
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Amy Dangerfield
Cool.
- [72:55]
Julian
I'm going to put that in my campaign now. Follow through on it.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [72:58]
Julian
And when they get in there, you have to wonder, like, these other people with deep pockets, are they going to pay them off and then they kick the can down the curb or down the road and that's a possibility change up and you have to wonder about that, and that's where you keep them accountable. But I, I agree with that point. I, I do think, I think about the whole, like, platform thing a little bit differently, at least. And I, I don't think there's like a rule with this or anything. I think everyone has a different idea of like, what they want to do with their shows or whatever their content is. But like, for me, I don't want people to like, listen to my opinions and be like, you know what? Julian said that, so I'm going to do that. I think that's a huge trap. Like, you know, I'm a YouTuber. It's like I said, it's not that serious. But like, I'll give some opinions on certain things. And I think we have to live in a time now where people can then decide on things at home for themselves and feel like they're making their own decision. I think we, we had a long period there where even if we didn't realize it, that went away because so many things were just thrown in it. I can think of so many examples of things. I just accepted right. In my life that I'm like, now I'm like, wait, I really thought that. Why the did I think that?
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Amy Dangerfield
Because it's reinforced. And I mean, think about it. When you want to do research on these things, where do you go? A lot of people rely on AI now, right? These different AI models. Like, I'm sure you've had the experience. Experience where you're trying to like, research the genocide in Gaza or research the way that apat. How much money is APAC given to politicians? And you're met with like this sterilized answer that either says like, oh, you know you're wrong because of this, or it flat out refuses to answer you, or it tells you that you're being racist and anti Semitic. There's literally no AI platform aside from one. Have you heard of it? Uncensored AI?
- [74:42]
Julian
I don't think so, no.
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Amy Dangerfield
So this is literally the only AI model where you can ask these questions and it'll give you real legitimate answers. But, but of course, you know, it's, it's a startup. It doesn't Have a lot of backing behind it for obvious reasons, because it. It's anti establishment, it goes against the narrative. But it's very difficult to get actual answers from an AI model. And people have become so lazy. They don't really do their own research. They default to using AI. Grok was, you know, okay for a minute there, but even Grok and X now are starting to hide things and conceal things there. Yeah, dude, there's posts on. On X that are literally like so benign, but it'll out an entire picture or an entire post that you literally need to click show me the post. And then it's. It's nothing. It's like it's someone talking about like BDS laws or like showing, you know, a picture from a bombing in Gazan that's not super graphic or super violent, but it'll block it out anyway just to prevent you from seeing it. Like, the censorship on all of these platforms is insane. And people are so lazy. They're. They're really not capable of doing much of their own research themselves. That's a psyop within itself. We have been conditioned to be that lazy. We have so much overstimulation. We're all addicted to dopamine. Right. It's difficult to sit down and concentrate and actually research certain topics. So I agree with you. People do need to look into things themselves, but the system itself has made it very difficult to do that. But I do. I got to give a shout out to uncensored AI. It's literally the only AI that I've ever used that actually allows me to do real research and answers me a couple of different guys. There's one guy called jd. His lost name escapes me right now.
- [76:25]
Julian
Vance.
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Amy Dangerfield
No, not. Not Vance. Not Vance. Certain. Certainly not J.D. vance.
- [76:31]
Julian
That would be Peter Teal.
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Amy Dangerfield
But no, it's not that one.
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Julian
It is it uncensored.com, i think.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, I think it's uncensored AI, actually.
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Julian
Okay, let's get the right one.
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Amy Dangerfield
There you go. Scroll down. Uncensored AI. It has the blue logo there. Yeah, that's the one.
- [76:48]
Julian
Wow. They're. They're getting. They're getting flanked on Google.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [76:51]
Julian
With some other one code uncensored. That's interesting. So it's uncensored AI people. Make sure you're using the right one.
- [76:59]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, it's also. It's available on the app in Google place. Literally my first time using this, I uninstalled or canceled my chat GPT membership. I was like, I. It's a little. It's A tiny bit clunky on the app store cuz they're still developing it. But I would rather deal with slight clunkiness and get real answers than, you know, be told I'm a racist anti Semite for asking the most basic of questions.
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Julian
Well that scares the out of what you're stepping on right now. For all of it scares the shit out of me with AI because now you're dealing with, even if it's like before sentience and all that, you're dealing with machines that are operating on a level what they think should be human and then get to decide what's coded into them.
- [77:40]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [77:40]
Julian
What is acceptable for humans.
- [77:43]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
And that like we had one last year. Remember this Steve, when. When the Elon Trump Epstein thing happened and we were. Yeah. With Google AI, we got on video.
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Amy Dangerfield
Oh yeah.
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Julian
Where the first search we did like Jeff Bezos, any connections to Jeffrey Epstein and Google AI was like, absolutely not. There are no links whatsoever. It's fake news news for Jeffrey Epstein and Jeff Bezos. And I was like, what the. I know, wait, hold on a minute. I know we knew this thing or whatever. And so then we went to take a video and it. We googled it again and it changed the answer.
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Amy Dangerfield
What?
- [78:21]
Julian
Yeah, they were listening. I have it on video.
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Amy Dangerfield
That's crazy.
- [78:25]
Julian
That was, that was absolutely nuts. Cuz I'm like de. We just watched in real time.
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Amy Dangerfield
That scares me. You know what, what scares me even more with that is like you hear people talking about even maybe not with a tone of seriousness, but like Joe Rogan talking about how he feels like AI governance is going to be the next step. That we need an AI, something that is impartial, fact based etc to lead people and not be subservient to foreign interests or other interests. But that leaves the question, who programs the AI? This isn't out of the realm of possibility either. It's already in Albania. You've heard about the their. Is it their finance minister? If you could look it up. In Albania they actually have an AI governance system. Yeah, I think it's the finance minister or something. Please fact checked me. Fact check me.
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Julian
Albania. All right, let's archive. That is Albania. You ever see this trick?
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Amy Dangerfield
No.
- [79:28]
Julian
This is the Mike Ben's trick.
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Amy Dangerfield
Oh, okay. To get through firewalls. Nice.
- [79:33]
Julian
Okay. Albania created an AI minister to curb corruption. Then its developers were accused of graft. The Albanian avatar known as Diella, a public anti corruption crusader, has been described as the world's first government minister. Created by artificial intelligence, it's Crazy, dude. Really cool.
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Amy Dangerfield
It was so funny when they announced this in their. Their, like, Parliament House. The politicians got so pissed off. They were, like, throwing things. They were so mad.
- [80:00]
Julian
It's so fucking sinister that they says. Wearing traditional garb and enigmatic style, Diella has become the face of Prime Minister Eddie Rama's efforts to rein in graft as Albania seeks to join the European Union. All right, go up, Dave. I need to see a picture of this fucking chick again. Come on. That's cultural appropriation. That's. That's crazy.
- [80:25]
Amy Dangerfield
It actually is crazy there. It really is.
- [80:27]
Julian
They even did, like, the fucking hand thing where she's like, the genie in a bottle, like, yes, you will listen to me. That's nuts.
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Amy Dangerfield
But it's so. It's not out of the realm of possibility. This is obviously already happened in Albania. And Joe Rogan has mentioned probably now dozens of times and in recent times, too, that he feels like the next step is genuinely going to be an AI President.
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Julian
An AI President.
- [80:52]
Amy Dangerfield
Yes.
- [80:53]
Julian
I haven't heard.
- [80:53]
Amy Dangerfield
Joe Rogan has said this on multiple occasions now.
- [80:56]
Julian
The AI God thing.
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Amy Dangerfield
No, he said, we need an AI President. I'm sure. Need it. Yeah. You look up a clip. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he did. He said that we should vote for President Perplexity. And he wasn't just joking. He laid out a full case for.
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Julian
Wasn't joking about that.
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Amy Dangerfield
No, he's.
- [81:12]
Julian
Oh, I need to see that.
- [81:13]
Amy Dangerfield
No, 100% the prospect two years ago.
- [81:16]
Julian
Yeah. Now get a clip.
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Amy Dangerfield
Who was it? Was it with Dave Smith?
- [81:20]
Julian
Yeah, he had some other.
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Deep
It's been like every other episode for the past couple of months.
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Amy Dangerfield
I did a video on it recently. Yeah, he. He's been.
- [81:29]
Julian
Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, I don't like that at all.
- [81:31]
Amy Dangerfield
And he's one of the top Comment, like, the top commentator, the top. The top podcaster in the US if not the world. And he's been feathering this in.
- [81:40]
Julian
Like Dave say to that.
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Amy Dangerfield
He said, because obviously the state of everything with the Iran war. Dave literally said, at this point, I would be down to try it.
- [81:49]
Julian
Oh, no. Oh, no, Dave, don't say that.
- [81:52]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, I don't. I don't know if he was being,
- [81:54]
Julian
like, hyperbolic Dave about that one. He's here.
- [81:58]
Amy Dangerfield
Please do.
- [81:59]
Julian
I hope this is just, like, out of context. Go up a little bit.
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Deep
I think it's the second clip.
- [82:03]
Julian
Right. Right there.
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Deep
You can try that.
- [82:05]
Julian
Okay, let's.
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Deep
Impromptu.
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Julian
Don't. Don't make it full screen. D. Just leave it right there. We're Reacting to a video that's pertinent to what we're saying. This is within fair use policies. Please don't demonetize me. YouTube. AI. I don't know if this is actually it, though. Okay.
- [82:19]
Deep
Insider trading. No, no, that's not it.
- [82:22]
Julian
All right. Joe Rogan, he's also sponsored by Perplex,
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Deep
which is interesting, but he's saying that this isn't part of me.
- [82:29]
Julian
If I. Can we turn his mic on, by the way. It's on. We got Daniel.
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Deep
Yeah. So. Hey. So it's interesting because. Because he's sponsored by Perplexity, and I find that to be a little bit compelling. But, yeah, he was basically.
- [82:45]
Julian
Oh, my gosh. Hold on.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, I have it on my. On my YouTube. YouTube. And I can give you the time code.
- [82:53]
Julian
Yeah, he was.
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Deep
He was basically saying that he thinks that it's the evolution of how government should go.
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Julian
He's saying, move to AI.
- [83:01]
Deep
Yes. He's saying that, like, maybe it's not. It's not a bad thing. And he's like, maybe this is just
- [83:06]
Julian
the way that it should happen.
- [83:07]
Deep
And he kind of implemented all by saying that, like, autism is about 1 in 12 now in California, where it was 1 in 10,240. And he's like, what if. What if autism isn't necessarily, like, a side effect, but maybe it's the evolution
- [83:21]
Julian
for what's coming next. Yes. No, no. Okay, let's see this great screen grab of me. Oh, it's with Tim. He said it with Tim Dillon.
- [83:29]
Amy Dangerfield
No, no, Tim Dillon was also commenting on this. On his show.
- [83:33]
Deep
Yeah, he was joking about it on his show when Melania brought out the Tesla bot.
- [83:37]
Julian
Okay. Yeah. All right, let's see. Let's see this.
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Amy Dangerfield
Human governance.
- [83:42]
Julian
Talking about a AI president. Yeah. That you need a president that is immune to bias, corruption, influence, and someone who just looks at things rationally and in an intelligent way that spans all the disciplines. Like, how could any president really be an expert in foreign policy, the environment, economics, social justice, immigration? It's not possible.
- [84:11]
Amy Dangerfield
And voices like Tim Dillon have actually gone a step further, suggesting that systemic collapse may not be accidental, but functionally useful in pushing society towards something entirely new.
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Deep
People are meant to lose faith in all government. Is that what this time is?
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Amy Dangerfield
And that is where AI stops being cool?
- [84:37]
Julian
Because I haven't seen this. Was he talking in the context of, like, this is an argument people have made or in the. No, no, no. I. I know where Tim Dillon is on this. Yeah, I ain't gotta look at that one. Was Joe Rogan talking about this in the context of what people who have argued for that are making the argument around or was he saying it in the context of like, I think this should happen.
- [85:01]
Deep
He put. I pulled all the clips two years ago when he was with Reggie Watts. It's the most popular thing when you look up Joe Rogan, AI President. He was saying that people are talking about this right now. He's saying that he thinks it's a good idea and he thinks it's the evolution of where it should go.
- [85:22]
Amy Dangerfield
We're cooked.
- [85:23]
Julian
Not good. That's an L take, Joe. That's a link. L take. Listen. Do human beings have severe flaws? Yes, we all do. Are there going to be losses in the system and horrible stories that happen because evil people or people just make a bad decision that affects other. Yes, and it sucks. I don't think it's a controversial thing to say. The totalitarian machine overlords opposite is not a good idea.
- [85:57]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah 100. Because even if you get it to a point where it is like, like honest to an extent on like public discourse, what if the prevailing public discourse is actually so far in the opposite direction? What you're saying are like the more extreme takes from what like people like Dan Bzerian have said, etc. We actually know someone, a developer at XAI who is responsible for Mecca Hill Hitler.
- [86:21]
Julian
For what?
- [86:22]
Amy Dangerfield
You, you. When. When Grok went off the rails. Do you remember this? So we, we know the developer who's actually responsible for that sort of.
- [86:32]
Julian
But that was funny saying. He was like, oh, you're noticing.
- [86:38]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, like Grok was saying some very extreme things. But basically, sir, our. Our friend was working with like he. He had a web team of people who, who didn't do. Didn't get their work done in time. So they copied crew. We know. And basically he just allowed it to fully take in all the feedback that was coming in off X and X at the time, sentiment was very anti Israel, anti Zionism. And he. He clicked it on button. His colleagues copied his work because they were behind. And then the next day you had Mecca Hitler.
- [87:10]
Julian
Yeah, there was like. There was like, what wasn't it saying like. And yes, before you ask he, is
- [87:18]
Amy Dangerfield
that like, oh my God, this is meant to govern us? Like, no, absolutely. Like how is AI meant to be impartial? So the point that Joe Rogan's trying to make, like, I just, I don't see it as something that's realistic.
- [87:31]
Julian
So I agree. By the way, I said I would get that video just to show You. I'm not bullshitting on this. This was last June. Can we see this on camera? Deep. All right, Deep. And I just filmed a Patreon episode where we were reacting to the whole Epstein tweet yesterday that Elon sent out about Trump. And while we were recording it, there was like a connection to Jeff Bezos that came up. And so Deep Googles it and this is what it shows on Google AI. You are asking about a connection between Jeff Bezos and Jeffrey Epstein. Information that relates to private individuals, that relates private individuals to sensitive of events is not available. Interesting. We just googled it afterwards, after we talked about it. Google AI is like listening to us. And what does it say now? Full report, Full explanation. Because we were just talking about how crazy this search result was. Well, that's a full listening. It.
- [88:32]
Amy Dangerfield
It always says that. It says you're asking about information pertaining to a private citizen, so therefore I cannot answer.
- [88:39]
Julian
A private citizen.
- [88:40]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [88:40]
Julian
Controls half the Internet.
- [88:42]
Amy Dangerfield
Right, Exactly. I mean, when, when you're a public person, whether that's in government or social media or anything else, when you've made your life public. I'm sorry, like, that isn't a good enough answer. They're a private citizen. I can't give you a direct answer on that.
- [88:55]
Julian
Like, that's crazy. Yeah. Like if you put. And that's. It's just a part of like having. Choosing a career where you're in the public sphere. I can't be like, oh, I don't like the people out there. Don't like me.
- [89:07]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [89:08]
Julian
Kick them off the Internet.
- [89:09]
Amy Dangerfield
Right.
- [89:09]
Julian
What the. No, it's that you let everyone talk about it.
- [89:13]
Amy Dangerfield
You get. You get hate and you just. You need to deal with it and you need to grow some thick skin.
- [89:17]
Julian
Yes.
- [89:18]
Amy Dangerfield
You know, I've been doing this for a little while now. I have grown very adept at tolerating it. My husband is a little bit newer to the online space, so he gets. He gets a little bit more upset when people come. For me, that's also that def. Defensive hobby nature in him. God bless him for it. I. I appreciate it, but yeah, I've. I've grown thick skin. I literally don't care. Sometimes you may need to take a day off X or something, but it just comes with the territory.
- [89:43]
Julian
Yeah.
- [89:43]
Deep
Do you want to talk about the AI porn thing?
- [89:45]
Julian
Yeah, let's. Yeah, let's bring it. That was crazy.
- [89:47]
Deep
You want to.
- [89:48]
Julian
Oh, I mean, up to you, but
- [89:51]
Amy Dangerfield
I don't necessarily want people to go looking for it, but whatever. I guess we don't have to talk about it. We can take just like in. In response to this event that we ran where we tried to unify the left and right over, you know, the topics of foreign interests hijacking our government, that we don't like, the way that Trump handled the Epstein files, and we object to the war in Iran. I gathered candidates and influences together from both sides who agree on these things. We hosted an event and there were a lot of people who didn't like it and they, they made a bunch of AI porn of me and, and spread it all through throughout X. So, yeah, AI is a crazy thing.
- [90:27]
Julian
That's nuts.
- [90:28]
Deep
She was saying how she has super thick skin. Even pertaining to this particular thing. She was okay. I personally think that this is egregious, that this is terrible. They were making pictures of me being hung and dead and doing terrible things to her. They were making animated things. That's one thing. Could take that as a death threat. I'll take it as a, as a goof.
- [90:50]
Julian
Yeah.
- [90:50]
Deep
The AI point. Important thing to. From what I know, it's a felony and it's illegal.
- [90:56]
Julian
Yeah, yeah.
- [90:56]
Deep
And people are doing it now.
- [90:58]
Julian
Now.
- [90:58]
Deep
I reported it to X three days ago. So far it is still up. It's not down yet. I want to take it to the authorities. I want to get this person prosecuted.
- [91:10]
Julian
How did.
- [91:11]
Deep
You were saying how this. We don't know when this episode will come out. We'll give you an update on this and how easy that process would have been. I think this person needs to be made an example because this is not okay at all.
- [91:23]
Julian
That's not, I think, to be clear, it's not free speech.
- [91:25]
Amy Dangerfield
It's not free speech.
- [91:27]
Deep
And just because she's a public figure, it doesn't make it okay. I. She's again, has thick skin, she's cool. I looked at her and I was like, if this happened to our daughter, what would be your energy here? That's where I'm at right now. I'm like, this is my wife. I'm not gonna allow these fake images, videos to circulate of her doing things that are. It's just, it's not okay. And so we'll see if the authorities can do anything about this at all. Because it is an anonymous account. We'll see if they have access to be able to get into AI and figure out who this is, because this is a crime.
- [92:01]
Amy Dangerfield
Melania did the Take It Down Act. Right. Which is specifically pertaining to, I believe, revenge porn, but also AI porn that people make and Being able to criminally prosecute for that. It was one of Melania Trump's initiatives that I actually really support.
- [92:17]
Julian
You should. Yeah, yeah.
- [92:18]
Deep
And we also know somebody that was in a group chat with a bunch of these characters where this was getting spread around with the intention to boost it, to boost the, to bookmark it, like it, share it, make sure that this, this thing gets out. Just that group chat is illegal as well. Again, I'm not going at after them. I just want the guy that made it and posted it again.
- [92:39]
Amy Dangerfield
Julian, rather not be talking about this stuff cuz crazy things happen. You get AI porn spread of you, you get people talking about you, you get death threats. You could possibly be kicked out of the country for exercising your right to free speech, which is a founding, you know, principle of, of this country. But it's not easy when you do try to speak out and they come at you from every which way. So yeah, I, I, again, back to what was saying earlier. I would rather not be doing it for various reasons, but, but even when
- [93:08]
Deep
stuff like this happens, saying like, hey, look at this. And then replied to it three hours afterward, tagging me again.
- [93:15]
Amy Dangerfield
But even when stuff like this happens again, you can't let it, you can't let it silence you because they're going to try to use every single tactic available to them to intimidate you, to scare you, to disgust you, to try to embarrass you, to tarnish your name. And you just need to keep persevering because again, somebody's got to do it. We need, we need enough brave people to step up and keep speaking the truth unapologetically. It's the only way we're ever going to be able to enact real change. We just, we have to keep going and we need to persevere.
- [93:46]
Julian
Well, good for you. I'm, I'm sorry that happened to you guys. That's, I mean it, like, that's just, it happens.
- [93:53]
Amy Dangerfield
Apparently this is 2026. We're in the digital age and I, what's scary is I feel like we've only scratched the surface when it comes to this AI thing. Like, look at how much we've advanced in the last 10 years compared to the last hundred. What do you think is going to happen over the next 10? You know, we, we think that the idea of an AI president is so outlandish and crazy and out of reach. They already have an AI minister in Albania. Top podcast. The top podcaster of this entire country, if not the world, is almost normalizing it with his rhetoric and the things that he's discussing on his PLAT platform, like, who knows what's possible in the next 10 years.
- [94:32]
Julian
That's. Yeah. That I just, I cannot emphasize enough how crazy of an idea that is. That's the scariest thing you've said today.
- [94:41]
Amy Dangerfield
It's, it's a bad idea, for sure. It's a really bad idea.
- [94:45]
Julian
Like, you know, and we have, like, I remember we were assigned, like, Animal Farm in seventh grade.
- [94:52]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [94:52]
Julian
And I read the out of that book, and I was like, wow, this makes sense. This is a really bad, A bad idea. And it's, you know, you're in seventh grade, you're like, man, I'm so glad that doesn't happen here.
- [95:04]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [95:04]
Julian
You know, and you get a little older and, and, you know, we were talking about Keir Starmer earlier, who, to be clear, is not from America, but you hear other people in America in certain positions talking like that and, like, you know, what's, what's the word? They normalize some of that rhetoric or whatever.
- [95:19]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [95:20]
Julian
I felt very woke to say, but cultural conditioning. Exactly, exactly. And you're like, ooh, that's, that's not good. Yeah, like, I, I, I've seen that not work out well anywhere.
- [95:30]
Amy Dangerfield
I mean, how do, how is it that they pushed all of the woke agenda to the point where it became legislated? They normalized it and cultural. Culturally conditioned us through our media, through movies and shows, like, all the trans stuff. They started to put, like, you'd be hard pressed to find a movie, including kids movies and shows that don't have some type of LGBT like, aspect, like, blended into them. They normalized it. It was cultural conditioning that eventually became legislated. And it's exactly the same thing with everything else that we don't want to see happen. They're going to try to push it culturally first, you know.
- [96:04]
Julian
Yeah. I think anytime you use something like what, what the was the thing called that they refer to the intersectionality curve and things like that. Whenever you start using, like, for lack of a better term, like, I guess victim layering, if you, you will, that is, you want to talk about a slippery slope, steep to hell. I mean, that's what we watch happen. That's how you get people not being able to say what a woman is.
- [96:28]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [96:28]
Julian
You know, like, what, what were they calling it? Like, adult human get pregnant.
- [96:32]
Amy Dangerfield
Oh, yes. Chest. Chest Feed off. Or for someone who breastfeeds, like, what the.
- [96:36]
Julian
I mean, you know, when I go to the bar, I'm not looking for whatever those terms were. I'm looking for a woman. It's not hard, you know, and whatever floats your boat's fine with me. But don't legislate how people talk about things or especially when they went. When it went to like what they would force upon kids.
- [96:56]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [96:56]
Julian
Or allow to happen to kids against parents wishes. Like what the is that?
- [97:02]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah. I mean again, some of the most intense reading that we had was probably like Animal Farm and things like this. Now kids are literally learning about sexual acts, gay, gay sex. Like things that are literally inside of the. The books that they get in school. And a lot of the times it's without parental cons. Like parents don't know what their kids are learning in their classrooms. There's so much indoctrination to the point where like we may send our kids to like a private school maybe. But it's gotten to the point where I'm like, I just want to homeschool and just make sure that I can instill my values inside of my children. Because you know, the programming, the cultural conditioning, it's so perverse, it's so intensive, it's so hard to escape unless you really set up those boundaries and confines like within your own home. So we're probably going to homeschool all of our kids, to be honest.
- [97:53]
Julian
Yeah. I just had in my friend Spencer Taylor, who prior to him being a documentarian, he was like, he was a co host on Impulsive and Jake and Logan, Paul's videographer, good friends with them and then went on his, his own directions, done a lot of cool stuff. But he just made an unbelievable documentary.
- [98:11]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [98:11]
Julian
Called what is the end of re. Recess. That's the official name of it. Want to make sure we get that right. But it's about like the death of recess. It's about the full history of the. Of the public schooling system in America which he went back 175 years on this basically and went through how it was taken control of, what the goals were, how it works against educational standards, how indoctrination is allowed to occur, which happens slowly and then what seems like suddenly over time. But I would highly recommend people see it because it's like the evidence is the evidence and when you look at that there is some. I don't know what the full sinister objective is. I could take a guess at a few things. But there is something really, really dark about the people who decide to perpetuate that.
- [98:57]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
- [98:58]
Julian
And there's a lot of people now saying exactly what you're saying, like, I want to homeschool my kids.
- [99:03]
Amy Dangerfield
Need to take it into your own hands. I mean, it's really the only choice that we have. Unless. Unless we fix the system from within. And that becomes a steeper challenge every single day. Again, unless we get elected officials in office who actually push back against some of this stuff. But it's such an. It's up an uphill battle that it's like you just have to control the controllables and do everything you can in your own home, you know?
- [99:27]
Julian
Yeah. What was the moment for you in Maui where you were like, hold on a minute. And kind of started your whole.
- [99:38]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, journey now what? They were arresting people for just going on the beach. And by the way, they couldn't even enforce those. They were ticketing people and arresting some of them for going out on the beach. There was so many tickets that they couldn't even enforce them all. They ended up throwing them all out by the time that Covid was over. But for me, what really woke me up, like, to. To caring about politics was more so the contrast between the Australian system and the American one. Especially when I got to Florida and saw how free it was, it made me really start to question, okay, we. We're two countries that have very similar cultural makeup, like Australians. We grow up on American media, American movies. We barely watch any Australian made things. So we're so similar. Similar. You know, our accents are kind of similar. We speak the same language. We. We kind of look the same. What's different? And it comes down to the fact that Australia is a mixed economy. You know, there's socialized aspects to that system versus America's free market capitalistic system. And yeah, I think that's what really got me curious again. My mom would literally call me nearly every day and say, I'm so glad you're in America. I'm so grateful you're living in America and not back here.
- [100:56]
Julian
Your family's all still there.
- [100:58]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah. And Australia's. I mean, over time, you know, everything's kind of normal, at least when it comes to the COVID stuff. But again, that was probably the testing bed for a lot of the dystopian stuff they're pushing now with the hate speech laws. They're arresting people for tweets, for protesting, for wearing political T shirts. And that's not the country that I grew up. Grew up in. So it's a. It's a very slippery slope. Observing what it's become, at least from afar, hearing from my family, tuning into the News, firsthand accounts from people I grew up with. And understanding how different it is from the Australia that I grew up in makes me want to fight for America while we still have time and while we still have freedom, because there's a lot of people that don't want it to be a free country.
- [101:44]
Julian
The one thing I do wonder, I've been talking about this with people recently on podcasts, is like. Like, if the government and, you know, the bureaucracies, the darpas and things like that are actually 30, 40 years ahead, like, they've been reported to be in the past by other people smarter than me, you know, does that mean we're already in it?
- [102:04]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, probably. We could be. But does that mean we don't fight?
- [102:07]
Julian
No, no, that's not what I'm saying.
- [102:09]
Amy Dangerfield
But I'm like, no, I.
- [102:10]
Julian
What does that even mean? Does that mean the fight is manufactured too?
- [102:13]
Amy Dangerfield
It could be. And that's where we go back to what we were saying with, like, all the. This, the. The sentiment and the talk about Israel, like, is that for a reason? Do they want us to be doing that? Like, it could very well be. But, you know, if it's impossible to try to keep up with this 45D chess, like, whatever, you just. You need to make the best decisions based on the evidence that you currently have available to you. You need to look at things objectively. Kind of like the opposite of what the mainstream media is saying, I think, is general. Generally, you're probably a little bit close to the truth and observing what the mainstream media is saying. It's the biggest propaganda machine that exists today. I think that one of the biggest barriers to actually enacting changes like the boomer generation and some of the older Gen X's, because they're so locked into Fox News, like, conversations that my husband and I have had with people where we're laying out our argument and they're like, guys, you literally don't understand. Like, he's playing 5D chess. Trump is playing 5D chess. Like, you don't understand. I'm educated. I watch like Fox and Friends. I watch like the five. I watch, like, all these shows. I'm plugged into this. This is their main propaganda weapon, you know, and less and less people are tuning into legacy media. They're starting to tune into alternative media, YouTube, Rumble, other platforms, and I'm grateful for that. But there's still a very large portion of the population that they get all of their. Their news source from Fox News, cnn, all these other platforms. So I think you Know, you kind of observe what legacy media is saying and doing and you do and say the opposite. And you're closer to the truth than if you had been plugged into that kind of mechanism. Let's be honest, buying cannabis shouldn't be complicated, sketchy or low quality. That's why I want to tell you about mood.com that's mood.com Mood ships federally legal cannabis straight to your door. No medical card, no hassle. And here's the kicker. The quality is better than anything you'll find at your local dispensary. Yeah, I said it. Whether you're into edibles, concentrates, flour, or just looking to explore, explore, you'll find it all at Mood. And it's not just the variety that makes them stand out. Every product is sourced from small American owned family farms that care deeply about what they grow. It's cannabis you can trust, delivered discreetly and ready to elevate your mood. And because you're a listener, you get 20% off your first order. Just head to mood.com that's M-O-Ood.com to get started.
- [104:53]
Julian
I think there's something to be said for that for sure. I mean, the mainstream media has been co opted since almost the beginning of time and there's no doubt that the mask is off for people who actually quote, unquote, look into it. But to your point, the boomer generation is still this enormous block with enormous power, enormous economic power as well. And I've had those same conversations with people where like I had one where a boomer I know who's like a pretty conservative person, like someone who definitely votes Republican in all the elections called me up after the Epstein files came out, maybe a couple weeks into it, and they don't know anything about it because they're not talking about what's really happening on tv. And they genuinely wanted to know about it. And there was, there was a second phone call where I believe it was for 58 and a half minutes. The only time I stopped was when I said, do you have any questions on that? And they'd be like, no, no, keep going. And you know, that's as quick of an overview as I could give. I mean Really, I need 58 hours to get in the actual story. But I was like, I got off that call and you could tell their worldview was shell shocked. And I was like, that's really cool that they were interested in actually learning that because I would cite the evidence, go through emails, stuff like that. So they knew I wasn't just pulling this out of my ass.
- [106:11]
Amy Dangerfield
Right.
- [106:11]
Julian
But not a lot of people do that.
- [106:13]
Amy Dangerfield
No.
- [106:13]
Julian
You know, most weren't. And it's like, how do you change that? Because there are people in this country, not just mainstream versus, like people online. There's even look online. There's people who live in totally separate realities with their algorithms.
- [106:27]
Amy Dangerfield
A lot of them. Yeah.
- [106:28]
Julian
You know, so what they see is what's curated to them. And that also feels like a part of the plan. True.
- [106:35]
Amy Dangerfield
We often ask, I'm like, does everyone. Has everyone in the world woken up to the Israel problem? And my husband often says, like, we're probably just in our own echo chamber. Right. Our algorithm on social media. And so. So I think about that a lot. Am I just in an echo chamber or has America for a sentiment truly gotten to the point where it's boiling over so much that everyone is experiencing this mass awakening? And the only thing that gives me cause to believe that I'm not living in an echo chamber is when you see establishment voices like your Mark Levins, Randy Fines, Laura Loomis, Trump Vance, all these people, people who are establishment, when they're getting ratioed. Right. Like they have their own echo chamber. So how come they're getting ratioed on post sometimes by double, triple, quadruple by people who do have the America first sentiment. That's what kind of gives me a little bit of hope that maybe we're not in an echo chamber. Maybe people are actually experiencing a mass awakening of sorts.
- [107:36]
Deep
Yeah, there was.
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Julian
Did you see the poll that came. Came out? What was that? From deep. It was the. Who was the outlet. One of the main. God damn. Was the poll about sentiment of Israel across different blocks generationally. And then they also broke down who made up each of those generations from like an ethnic background or social background issue. And I like when I look at a poll, I like to go look at like the poll science, the cross tabs.
- [108:13]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [108:14]
Julian
Like how they put it together, who was asked how they were asked, how many actually responded? Because it's like if it's a phone pole, who the is answering that? You know what I mean?
- [108:22]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [108:23]
Julian
This one was done, I believe, mostly through signed up online survey. It was very equally representative from like age 18 to age 70. They even Delta, like a percentage Jewish population, percentage Muslim population, percentage evangelical Christian population. Like they were hitting all the different opposites. And essentially they wanted to get an overall sentiment towards American opinions on Israel across a subset of around 4,000 people. And they wanted to separate that out left and right as well, and the one thing that was such a clear separation was you had a lot of agreement on the left and right that, like, they don't like the relationship with Israel. So you see that the puck has really moved big time, but you still saw the holdout on the right side in particularly, it was a little bit on the left side, but more on the right side was the people age. I want to say it was like 58 and above or something like that. Still only 24% had an unfavorable, horrible view of Israel. And that right there is strictly. You're looking at the people who are watching this.
- [109:37]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [109:37]
Julian
You know, and they're not online. They don't see some of these things. And I do always try to ask myself, what is propaganda, what and what's not? And that goes in both directions, to be clear. But, like, over time, especially when you see the actions that have been taken in the last couple years, it is what it is.
- [109:51]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [109:51]
Julian
Like, even when I assume that half of what I'm seeing is AI and not real, that other half is really bad.
- [109:57]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [109:57]
Julian
You know, so it's like even when you, you, I don't know, delta margin of error in there, you're still looking at what you're looking at.
- [110:05]
Amy Dangerfield
There's a lot of people who have also that are probably largely contributed to that poll, grow up with the idea that, like, those who bless Israel will be blessed. And they think that that pertains for some reason to the Likud Party and to Bibi Netanyahu, into the government of Israel. Right. It's a completely separate thing.
- [110:23]
Julian
Yes.
- [110:24]
Amy Dangerfield
Like Jesus came to. And I'm sorry to get religious on you for a second, I'm a Christian. Jesus came to me fulfill that old covenant. The only thing you need to do to get to get into heaven is to declare that Christ is Lord and to repent your sins and to say that he is the way, the truth and the life. But there is a lot of people through dispensationalism who believe that, no, those who bless Israel will be blessed. Those who curse Israel will be cursed. And you need to be in support of Israel, otherwise you're not going to heaven. Like the most extreme branches of dispensationalism, moody dispensationalism, they literally believe that you need to support the government of Israel to be a good Christian. And there's been a lot of psyops and propaganda and, yes, money that have gone into those churches to actually create and perpetuate those ideologies. And it's really unfortunate. You know, my husband used to be a. A Zionist Christian. He went to Israel. He did the tour. He didn't kiss the wall, but he. He turned, touched it, he tapped it.
- [111:23]
Julian
Right.
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Amy Dangerfield
But he is someone. And I don't like this purist thing where it's like, you need to always have been on the train and you need to have been born based to be one of us. No, I think that you make information, make decisions. Sorry, you make decisions based on the information that's presented to you. When you have better information presented to you, you can make different and better decisions. And that's something that. That he did. He woke up to that reality, and now he understands that, you know, this idea of Israel from the Old Testament isn't referring to the Likud Party. It's not referring to Bibi Netanyahu. It's not referring to the fact that, you know, oh, you need to support the genocide in Gaza and the war crimes, and Jews are the only chosen people. No, that. That's false. That is a com. That is a complete lie that has been made up to manipulate people, manipulate their ideology, manipulate their religious religion to make them believe that they need to have this opinion. And young people especially are waking up to that. But the boom is like, if you're born and raised on that idea, it's a difficult thing to break, especially when it comes to your religion, because religion is such a pivotal thing. It means so much to people. You know, 100. I'm a cradle Catholic, so I was born based. All right. I didn't have that issue. But, you know, for. For a lot of Protestants and ev. Evangelicals, this is an ideology that they need to come to terms with the fact that they have been propagandized and brainwashed as a reason why Israel pays for people to come out there on tours, etc, to perpetuate this idea that is just patently false.
- [112:59]
Julian
I always say, just listen to people when they tell you who they are. Have you read Benjamin Netanyahu's autobiography? I have not read every single word of it. I read every word of it back. Back in. I finished it, like two weeks before October 7th, weirdly enough.
- [113:13]
Amy Dangerfield
Oh, wow.
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Julian
Yeah, very strange. But, you know, I remember reading, when I was reading and I was still reading it through the lens of, like, you want to believe he's not the worst thing ever, because, like, there's all kinds of relationship interest with the United States, and then it was probably within like a week or two after October 7th, and there's a whole Conversation there, which is things I saw where I'm like, oh, no, that like thing in my gut that was going, this man is a complete and total sociopath now. He is.
- [113:42]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
Like that's exactly what he is. And one of the things he talks about in there is like his. He spent many years in America. I think people forget that. But you know, he talked about going and building relationships with evangelical churches across the country. He tells you what he's doing.
- [113:58]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [113:58]
Julian
This is a foreign government guy going and using money with his political ideology to get injected into churches where people are away from the government in a country that has it stipulated in the Constitution separation between church and state. By the way, this isn't even the state.
- [114:17]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [114:17]
Julian
This is another state. You know, he's going there and funneling away and that's. Who's that fucking psycho bitch that advises Trump now?
- [114:26]
Amy Dangerfield
Oh, she's the, she's the worst. She's crazy. I don't remember her name off the top of my, my head, but oh my gosh, she just. Yeah, hearing her speak, you get like the heebie jeebies like that. Like.
- [114:36]
Julian
Yeah. If there's such thing as demons.
- [114:38]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, it's. It's. No, no, no, no, that's not her.
- [114:46]
Julian
No, the spiritual advisor. It's like Paula's.
- [114:49]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [114:50]
Julian
Did I say Paula Dean? No, that's it. That's. That's mean, Paul. It's not Paula Dean. It's like Paula White or Paula.
- [114:57]
Amy Dangerfield
Brett Krupa did a great video breakdown on her recent.
- [115:00]
Julian
Paula White. White cane.
- [115:01]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, no, it's.
- [115:03]
Julian
Yeah, she can off.
- [115:04]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah. The other thing is, you know, Bibi Netanyahu, he said that he's fighting a multi front war and the last and most important front is social media. Remember he gathered all of those social media people together at an embassy for Israel here in the US and basically gave them a social media campaign. There was a bunch of money, money funneled into that by the Israeli government. Government that basically said if you create pro Israel propaganda and you post about it on social media, we'll pay you whether it was $7,000 per post or not. That part has kind of been disputed. Apparently some people are suing them because they haven't paid out. Yeah. Which is. But regardless of that, you know, he came out and said it. This is a multi front war and social media is the last and most important front. And let me tell you, they didn't recruit the best and brightest. Some of the social media posts that came out from people like E.M. austin and a Few of the other people from that campaign, like, it was laughable. Like, it was. It was embarrassing for them almost. It's like, these are your best people to convince us to battle the wall and. And love the Israeli government.
- [116:13]
Julian
Like, that's sending their best.
- [116:15]
Amy Dangerfield
They're not sending their best. They're not setting their brightest. But, yeah, no, they. They'll tell you straight out what they're doing. Whether that's some form of, like, comic retribution or it's just something that they do.
- [116:26]
Julian
Most sinister part, I think, of that whole meeting that was right here in New York.
- [116:30]
Amy Dangerfield
Okay.
- [116:30]
Julian
And Netanyahu, his plane had to take a different route than usual to the United States to avoid air spaces that might ground the plane. So he'd be arrested, which is just.
- [116:39]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, chef's kiss.
- [116:41]
Julian
But when he was sitting in there, sitting back like a mob boss, and he's just riffing on the next War is on social media.
- [116:49]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [116:49]
Julian
And he's like, Elon here, a friend, you know, it's like, that's how Uncle Vinnie talks when he's ready to whack a guy on 186th Street. But he don't know nothing about nothing. Like, if I get Joey Merlino in that seat, that's how he's going to talk.
- [117:04]
Amy Dangerfield
That was a pretty good BB impression, by the way.
- [117:06]
Julian
I have a good bb, but, you know, it's like, you see this. And my. That meeting made my blood boil because I looked in that room and that room was mostly filled with influencers who are born in America. They are. They enjoy the fucking greatness of this country and the things that you get to do here, to be a free person and a foreign leader. I don't give a fuck what country it is. I'd say this about Britain, right? A foreign leader flies in, and this is how blatant it is. They put their own cameras in there to disseminate this to people. That this is what they're doing and is instructing these influences, influencers, how to win the war on the American mind. There is no planet on which the people sitting in that room born. I mean, he's doing exactly what he's supposed to do. He's trying to win over opinion here. Fine. There's no planet on which the people in that room who are listening to him to take his orders, who are born here and from here, are not committing treason. I'm sorry. And then those same people are invited to the White House. And I have an issue with that.
- [118:18]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [118:19]
Julian
Who's the one chicken there? Deborah? Lee taking a selfie outside.
- [118:24]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, of course. That was one of Netanyahu's horrors from his social media campaign. Of course. Of course.
- [118:29]
Julian
I see this, and I'm like, listen, I have no problem with, like, you're Jewish. You feel some sort of kinship. No problem. But you have to feel kinship here first.
- [118:38]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [118:38]
Julian
Like, I'm half Italian on both sides of my family.
- [118:41]
Amy Dangerfield
Right.
- [118:41]
Julian
Okay. Everyone out there who's, like, 100% Italian, you can go back and think about the people in your family who maybe their family came here in 1910, 1920. Maybe they're born here, maybe they're not. And then 1939 comes around and Italy's fighting with Hitler. They. You know, how many guys whose names ended in a vowel without asking a single question put on an American uniform and went over there and fought the Italian Italians? Including people that might be in their own family. All of them.
- [119:11]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [119:11]
Julian
So I hold people of every race in this country.
- [119:14]
Amy Dangerfield
Same standard, the same. Absolutely. Dude. I was on the whatever podcast, Shout Out, Brian Atlas. But it was. It was a very diverse panel, actually. Again, I. I enjoy talking about feminism. I often go on these shows, whatever, Fresh and fit. I like to debate the feminists and the only fans, girls. But this was quite a diverse panel. I think they had, like, five foreign girls on there. And Brian posed the question, let's say America went to war with your country of origin. Who would your allegiance be to? There was an Israeli girl on the panel, by the way, but not to single her out. Every single other girl. The Russian girl, the Scottish girl, the Bangladeshi girl, the Israeli girl. They all said their allegiance would be to their home country. Many of them are now citizens who needed to declare allegiance to America when they got their citizenship. They all said that they would side with their home country. I was the only one in that entire room who said, no, I'm America First 100. Because I do. I do love Australia. There's aspects that I miss, but it's also the fact that, like, literally, America is the last bastion of freedom in the West. If America goes down, what do you think is going to happen? Happen to the rest of the world, to the rest of the West? Like, this is truly the lost line of defense for everything that we love and everything that we cherish. And that's not the only reason why I say I'm America first. But it's certainly a strong reason and a compelling enough argument to give 100% of my allegiance to America. I told you before we started rolling. When I get dual citizenship, I'll renounce the Australian one like that. I don't even care. Yeah.
- [120:51]
Julian
Hold you to it.
- [120:52]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, please do.
- [120:54]
Julian
We will, absolutely. I believe you 100%. I, I don't think you're stuttering.
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Amy Dangerfield
I love this country. I, I, you know, I am married to an American. I'm going to raise my children here, I'm going to die here, and I'm going to be buried here. I love this country.
- [121:09]
Julian
Can't argue with that. I mean, and it's interesting. So the girls you were on a panel with, if I understood that correctly, you're saying they were all at least born over in the other countries and now they're all citizens. Citizens here. And they all said that. And I, I think that's a compelling point that, like, that should raise a question or two. I think it's even worse and more black and white, though, when you are literally born here. Yeah, that is way worse.
- [121:31]
Amy Dangerfield
100.
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Deep
Right.
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Julian
Like, for them, I'm like, all right, maybe they're a little, they're like, thinking about it weird. But, like, when you enjoyed every bit of your life from the time you were taken out of the womb in this country, this is where it should be, man.
- [121:44]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [121:45]
Julian
And it's, it's not to say that, like, you can't feel a kinship with your fucking roots. That's fine. That's absolutely fine. But there's a huge difference between that and directly fighting against the interests of the place where you are.
- [121:58]
Amy Dangerfield
That's true. There's also a lot of, like, you know, propaganda to be anti patriotic, and that being patriotic is cringe. This especially comes from the left. Who knows where it really comes from? When you look at NGOs who fund these agendas.
- [122:11]
Julian
Right.
- [122:12]
Amy Dangerfield
And who funds those NGOs, maybe it is all a part of a larger play, but seemingly from the left, a lot of propaganda that says it's cringe to be patriotic, the white man is bad. The people who built this country are terrible and evil. Right. And so with that, I feel like a lot of people who adopt more leftist ideologies, they feel shame around their heritage and shame around being an American. And this is a form of propaganda in and of itself that I think has resulted in, in some of this.
- [122:42]
Julian
So I've talked about this before in a little bit of a different lens. Would love your thoughts on this, but I think it was a psychological phenomenon that was created. And the way I've always described is, I said the greatest mistake that the Democrats made in the 2015, 2016 election cycle was not underestimating Donald Trump. It was not all the, I guess, propaganda against some of the things you would say that actually weren't what he really said or a whole list of other things that we could make an argument for. It was the fact that they gave him the flag. They literally, like, remember he had 40 flags behind him the first time he came down the escalator. And then he would make the flag a big symbol and a big thing at every rally. And suddenly it became, oh, if you have an American flag, you're associated with Don Donald Trump.
- [123:33]
Amy Dangerfield
I hear you. Okay.
- [123:35]
Julian
They psychologically built that into the psyche because I, and I remember where I noticed this and I went, whoa, was July. I always go down the shore for, in, in Jersey for July 4, July 4, 2015. He'd only been on the trail for like, three weeks or whatever. Everyone I know, left and right is wearing, you know, American flag shirts, American flag shorts, whatever. There's American flags on every, you know, boathouse. When you go down to the bay the next next year, which was also the weekend where Comey came out and was like, we're not going to prosecute Hillary Clinton. Everyone wearing flags of some sort was right wing or conservative.
- [124:17]
Amy Dangerfield
Right.
- [124:17]
Julian
And people on the left, for the most part, yeah, were not. And that was where I clocked out.
- [124:22]
Amy Dangerfield
I was like, whoa, yeah, you associate Trump with the flag, and then you associate anyone who likes Trump with being a racist, a fascist, a totalitarian, and then all of a sudden your pride in America becomes equated with those things. No, to be in. If you want to identify with Americanism, that must mean you're a fascist and you're a racist and you. And you want a totalitarian rule. You know, that makes a lot of sense.
- [124:46]
Julian
I see that I just talked about this with respect to the word patriot because ironically, like, the movie the Patriot is one of my favorite movies. It's awesome and, like, it's a great word. And it's like what this country was founded on from people who were across the political spectrum. And now when it's said, it said is like kind of like an echo chamber rally cry, meaning, like, I think someone who is, you know, just genuine liberal or someone who's a genuine conservative who actually cares about the country and isn't, you know, on some sort of extreme on either way, like, they should be able to call themselves a patriot. But there's this weird, like, people are like, oh, can I call myself that without being labeled this? Like, that's bullshit.
- [125:21]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah. I think the tide is shifting though, because again, a part of this unification like rally that I tried to create was because there's a lot of people on the left now who are specifically using in their campaign messaging the term America first and saying that they're running on an America first platform, which simply, I guess America first means different things to different people, but to them it means rejecting foreign, like foreign interference, foreign lobbies, saying no to foreign money and actually putting their constituents first. People on the left are now using that. So I think that old propaganda agenda is slowly dying out.
- [126:00]
Julian
Right.
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Amy Dangerfield
And I think that's a great thing now. I think there's still a long way to go. There was a little bit of mayhem at this event that we held. There were a couple of the Democratic candidates who got up and despite us prefacing the event was saying like, hey, guys, don't Virtue signal. I know we have a lot of disagreements. I know we, you know, don't get along on most things. But we're here today because we don't want foreign money in our. In our government. We don't agree with the war in Iran, and we're against the way that Trump handled the Epstein files and underpinning that is one foreign nation. Right. Let's keep the focus on that. And they still took the opportunity to come up and to say that, you know, white people need to pay reparations and every societal ill was due to the white men and the people who built this country. And so I still feel like there is a little bit of a ways to go. But by that same token, these people are coming out and saying, no, I'm running on an America first platform. I'm against foreign interest hijacking the government. So maybe, maybe, yeah, it's a start. Maybe the. Maybe the revival starts. At least that's what we can only hope for. I think people have such a bad taste in their mouth for what they're seeing that they're like, literally willing to consider alternatives now at this point.
- [127:13]
Julian
So, yeah, yeah, I think, you know, it'll be baby stats with some things because also, like you pointed out earlier, there's so many ideas within the political spectrum that have been just implanted and ingrained in people, especially over the past decade or past 15 years or so, in particularly that it's like to get those attitudes removed. The hardest thing to get rid of is an attitude and, you know, an idea that like, all right, maybe even if I feel this way about this thing, maybe I thought that was the number one priority. And actually it's like, number Six or seven. So I can more focus on what brings us together more. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out. But like, you know, if it seems like that's what you're trying to do and that's a positive thing. So like if it starts off with some people saying some shit that's kind of like from Fudgeing 2019 Redux, that might be a part of it on the way there, but it could come along.
- [128:05]
Amy Dangerfield
We, we need to just prioritize first and foremost sovereignty and free speech. Because these disagreements that we have, we're not going to be able to disagree about them and juke them out in the courts and the court of public opinion if free speech is being controlled. Right. So that needs to be the first and foremost priority. Who's trying to take away the free speech? Okay, let's unify around that. Let's course corrected that issue first and then we can come back later and we can duke out all of these social disagreements and these other disagreements we have once we're sovereign, once we're a free country. But until then, I, I genuinely feel like that needs to be the first priority from both sides of the aisle. And I also think that'll terrify the establishment too because again, they rely on these culture wars to keep us distracted and fighting one another so they can go and do all of this stuff so they can commit treason and betray the American people and commit genocide. So let's put the horse before the cart, focus on one thing at a time. And then in a couple of years, once we've saved the country, when we're a free country, then we can fight about the gender stuff or economic policies, social safety nets. Right, right. Because those things are certainly important. I don't want to discredit how important they are, but it can never be as important as our own sovereignty or retaining free speech.
- [129:27]
Julian
Yeah, priorities. Now you, you said, cuz you're newly married now and you said you plan on having kids. I think that's something everyone should plan to do. I think that's like the meaning of life right there. But there's been a massive, I think like attack from every level on people doing that, you know, and this has gone on for a long time. Like I'm just saying, if I wanted to enact some population control, I would try to convince people that gender doesn't exist. I would make sure people are in debt up to their eyeballs coming out of college for a degree they didn't need so that they would never financially be Able to get out of debt and therefore be able to afford a kid. I would make a kid a financial decision, which is just fucking wild.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
You know, and I would also maybe encourage. Encourage some perfectly fine traditional gender roles to be viewed as. No, that's total. Even though biologically speaking it's not. Am I missing anything there?
- [130:20]
Amy Dangerfield
No, you're. You're a hundred percent correct. There has been an in. Intentional push to destabilize the family unit to make patriarchy seem like a bad thing, to completely flip and reverse gender roles. And I think this is what, where the like, girl boss mentality that a lot of women have really comes in where they're told that if you don't go and get your own career and get your own money and you, you know, forego that for a husband and, and children and your own offspring, you're going to be missing out in life, you know, and that's a really sad and shallow way to look at things. And I think that most women kind of wake up to that reality, but by the time time they do, it's too late. They're already in like their mid to late 30s. Right. And at that point, it's biologically less likely that they're even in a position to be able to have kids. But you're dead on with like the gay stuff and the gender stuff as well, obviously. And. And birth control is another thing. Women who've been on birth control for most of their life, it's much more difficult for them to get pregnant. It affects their fertility. But all of these things have been normalized. Get on birth control, be a girl boss, go get your own career. Heterosexual relationships are inherently toxic power structures, which was literally said by Kate Malay, who was one of the founders of the second waves of feminism. Actually, that was one of their core tenets.
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Julian
What was that exact?
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Amy Dangerfield
Heterosexual relationships are inherently toxic power structures. But gay ones are on abortion. Yeah, Abortion as well. Normalizing abortion, absolutely. Seeing, you know, a baby in the womb is not a baby. Oh, it's. It's a fetus. It's not actually life until you actually give birth. And now we're seeing maybe not so much in America. I believe there are some states that are pretty bad with it. But around the world, you can literally get an abortion up until like nine months after the baby's born. And then if you don't successfully go through with the abortion and you give birth to a life baby, you can just leave it to die. And that's considered a part of the abortion?
- [132:28]
Julian
No.
- [132:29]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [132:29]
Julian
It's that bad?
- [132:30]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [132:31]
Julian
Like out of the womb.
- [132:32]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah. If the abortion fails because it was too late and then you give birth to a live baby, they literally leave it to die.
- [132:40]
Julian
Where do they do this?
- [132:41]
Amy Dangerfield
It's in the uk, I believe is one place.
- [132:44]
Julian
Yeah, we got to look that up just to be sure. That's wild.
- [132:47]
Amy Dangerfield
It's true.
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Deep
There was a politician even in Virginia who was on a morning show years ago who openly admitted to the fact that they give birth and then will abort the live baby.
- [132:59]
Julian
Yeah.
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Deep
And give the. They. They say they sometimes even encourage the birth so they can take the stem cells and the organs and all that stuff to be able to donate and help.
- [133:08]
Julian
And then you read things like the Epstein files where they're talking in code about certain things that are in my head right now and you wonder where they're getting all that from. It's clocking.
- [133:21]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
As early as, as 2026, UK law generally permits abortion up to 24 weeks. However, legislation passed in 25 and 26 has decriminalized self managed abortion at any gestation. Meaning women cannot be prosecuted for ending their own pregnancy at nine months. Though it remains illegal for doctors to perform abortions beyond 24 weeks without specific legal medical reasons. Reasons. Yeah. That's just like they found workarounds where
- [133:46]
Amy Dangerfield
there's certainly many such cases where it's happened and cuz I've.
- [133:52]
Julian
I know exactly what video you're talking about, Daniel with. What's that guy's name again? I don't know, Governor. I don't want to get it wrong, but I remember Alex Jones talked about this where he's doing the guy's voice where he's like we just take the baby. What? You know.
- [134:07]
Amy Dangerfield
But if I, if I'm not mistaken, I believe that Waltz actually, what's his name, Tim Waltz, the Kamala's running mate.
- [134:15]
Julian
He was a real.
- [134:16]
Amy Dangerfield
He was one of the people trying to push some of the most extreme abortion laws in the country in his state as well. So yeah, I mean it's just, it's really sad to see the way that society has been brainwashed to believe all of these things. Like as if it's not the meaning of life to start a family to. I feel like there's fulfillment that you get from having a family and raising kids that you can't get anywhere else. But it's all also like your duty to the world to like, to reproduce. Like we're being out produced as well by the way. We're being out what out out produced by, like, immigrants within this country. Like, it's. It's just like, why people are going to go extinct.
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Julian
I mean, that's one way to.
- [135:02]
Amy Dangerfield
Why people are. Why people are way less encouraged to have children. It's true.
- [135:08]
Julian
Controversial take, but listen, when. When you see it where you'll have, like, an immigrant family with fucking eight kids, you don't see a lot of, like. Yeah, people from this country with eight kids. Yeah, it's a lot.
- [135:19]
Amy Dangerfield
One if you're lucky. I mean, where I'm a little older. We're aiming for at least three to get above replacement levels. Hopefully. You know, you gotta. You gotta, gotta do out.
- [135:28]
Julian
Four.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, I want eight. He wanted eight. Yeah. When we were dating, he. He. Before we were dating. Sorry. When we were just friends, he'd always say, like, I want eight kids. I can't wait to have eight kids. I'm gonna have a massive family. And then we started dating. I'm a little bit older than him. I'm 30. And so we started dating. I was like, dude, you know I probably can't give you eight kids, right? He was like, okay, at least three. At least three. We'll get married. We got married very quickly after we started dating.
- [135:54]
Julian
How quickly?
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Amy Dangerfield
Seven. We. We dated for a month before he proposed, and then seven months later, we eloped.
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Julian
You proposed in a month?
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Deep
Three weeks.
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Julian
Three weeks.
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Amy Dangerfield
We were best friends for, like a year and literally spent every single day together. Like, literally every single day together. 24, seven.
- [136:12]
Julian
So you guys. All right, that's a little. That's a little different.
- [136:14]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, he friend zone me. He friend zoned me three times.
- [136:17]
Julian
He friend zoned you three times?
- [136:19]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [136:19]
Julian
The is wrong with you strategy. Oh, I got it. All right.
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Deep
A guy like me getting a 10 like this.
- [136:30]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, apparently he. He came to inform me of this strategy later, but it's too late to be mad about it.
- [136:35]
Julian
Hasn't taken the luster off.
- [136:37]
Amy Dangerfield
No, no.
- [136:38]
Julian
Now that you know, you see him
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Amy Dangerfield
behind the candelabra, I. I love him so much. He's. He's my best friend in the whole world. And I can't wait. He's gonna be the best dad in the world. I can't wait to have. Have babies with him.
- [136:46]
Julian
That's awesome. You gotta lead with the. We were very good friends for, like a year. Not the three weeks. People just think, well, they're crazy.
- [136:54]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah. No, no, no.
- [136:56]
Julian
We.
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Amy Dangerfield
We work together. So our work environment. Environment was very stressful. When we worked for this former network, we'd literally be there like Is this valuetainment? Yeah, we'd be there a minimum of nine hours a day. It was usually like 10, 11 hours per day. And then we go back to my house and work on my show. I had two shows on that network, so we would work on it together. We watch comedy together to try to alleviate a little bit of the stress. We're both big comedy fans and I don't drive. I don't know how to drive. I've never learned. So he drive me everywhere. We're basically together.
- [137:26]
Julian
Like anti feminists of you base.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, women do. Women do cause more car accidents, I will say. So. I'm just doing my part, you know, doing, doing my part. Okay.
- [137:39]
Julian
Oh my God.
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Amy Dangerfield
But yeah, we literally spent nearly all of our time together. He'd fall asleep on my couch at like 2, 3am I'd have to wake him up, send him on his way.
- [137:49]
Julian
Oh, you sent him home.
- [137:50]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [137:50]
Julian
Oh, you really were committed. You had, you were committed to the bed.
- [137:54]
Amy Dangerfield
He crashed out on the couch and like maybe slept there like a couple of times if I, if I fell asleep beforehand.
- [137:59]
Deep
I'm a Christian, so I was saving myself for marriage.
- [138:03]
Julian
That's what you were doing.
- [138:04]
Deep
Yes, precisely. Yes.
- [138:06]
Julian
Good for you, man. I haven't heard a story like that in a while. Yeah, three weeks. And how long after the proposal did you get married?
- [138:14]
Amy Dangerfield
Seven months.
- [138:15]
Julian
Seven months?
- [138:15]
Deep
Yeah. We were wanting to do it within like three months, but then again, work was so hard.
- [138:20]
Julian
You're still a valuetainment then.
- [138:22]
Deep
Yeah, yes, yes.
- [138:22]
Julian
Yeah.
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Amy Dangerfield
For much of it.
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Deep
And then we left and we were just on the road. We just have been doing trips like this. We're on our fourth week here on the road, going on different podcasts, all this stuff. And then finally we were in, in Vegas.
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Julian
Oh, you did? In Vegas?
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Deep
We got eloped in Vegas and we
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Amy Dangerfield
were there for like a month. And we're like, dude, we want to get married. We want to do it. It's going to cost a lot of money. We're going to keep pushing it down the road. No, but yeah, so we're like, let's just do it.
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Julian
Good for you. Did you get any family in for it or was just.
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Amy Dangerfield
They all zoomed in. Oh, that's yeah.
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Julian
Very cool.
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Amy Dangerfield
They got to see it all. Yeah, absolutely. We had a couple of good friends there though.
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Julian
Give him a virtual hug when we,
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Amy Dangerfield
when we save up a little bit more money, you know, we'll probably do like a renewing of the vows. I'll bring out my family from Australia. We can do it with his family and.
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Julian
And you won't let him back.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, probably. Yeah. Never agree back. Exactly.
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Julian
Marry his brothers. Yes, that's right.
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Amy Dangerfield
Through. Through legal means, of course.
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Julian
That's what I'm wondering.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah. No, by any means. Necessary. Necessary that are legal. I definitely, I definitely want to keep them here. For sure. Yeah. I miss. I miss them a lot. That's really the only thing I miss about Australia is, like, my family. Like, yeah, we have some nice beaches, but there's nice, nicer beaches in America. Yeah, nice.
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Julian
Everyone talks about Australia's beaches.
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Amy Dangerfield
They are nice, I would say. I mean, I moved to Maui after Australia, so, I mean, they were nicer in Maui, but also, like, not America. Siesta Key, though, like Florida, Florida, South Carolina, some really beautiful beaches out there.
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Julian
I mean, Maui is like, I, I haven't been. It looks incredible, but it's amazing. It's not like, closer to Japan than America.
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Amy Dangerfield
I'm not sure. I. I know it's like equal travel distance to get from Australia to Hawaii and then Hawaii to the West Coast, I believe. So it's like, yeah, shout out to
- [140:10]
Julian
all our friends in Hawaii. I'm just being a little facetious.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, no, still, that's like a hell.
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Julian
Like, people don't say, like, yeah, I decided to immigrate to America. Oh.
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Amy Dangerfield
And with. To Hawaii.
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Julian
Yeah, I would immigrate here too.
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Amy Dangerfield
It's like six hours behind in time zones as well. So it's just like untenable to be able to, like, work remotely with people on the east coast and stuff. Like, you might as well be in a different country for sure.
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Julian
But also, I'm just remembering this now. My friend Brandon Buckingham, you ever seen his channel on YouTube?
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Amy Dangerfield
No, I don't think so.
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Julian
He's awesome. So he does all kinds of documentaries, but a story he. He did maybe two and a half years ago. I think it was like the end of 2023. Ish. Steve was one in Hawaii where he covered like a giant commune. Because an issue that they're having in Hawaii is because it's such a vacation destination and such, you know, a spot for big money to come in. A lot of the people who live there slowly over the years have been put to a level to where their economic means aren't enough to own a house.
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Amy Dangerfield
Priced out. Yeah.
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Julian
So they were having some pretty big homeless problems, and now they've found some workarounds with that that he was actually covering. But, like, did you, did you see any of that as well? Because that's almost like A different. It's not like the immigration problem, but it's a similar kind of where you see like some massive socioeconomic gaps to where people kind of get left behind.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, totally. There's definitely some poorer areas in Hawaii and there's definitely homeless people. Some homeless people, even from mainland usa try to do everything they can to save up money to go be homeless. And hopefully Hawaii instead of mainland usa because it's warm all year round, it's beautiful. You know, you won't really get kicked off the beach if you have a fishing pole. That's like one legislation. If you have a fishing pole, you can't get kicked off the beach.
- [141:53]
Julian
Sleep next to the pole.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, basically. I mean, there's, there's a good amount of homeless. I wouldn't say it was like as rampant, obviously, as what you'd see in like big cities or anything like that in mainland usa, but it was for sure an issue. The other issue though with Hawaii was like, you know, these Lahaina fires and stuff like this. The disaster relief that they gave to the families is nowhere near enough for them to rebuild homes. And instead massive corporations are coming in, buying up that land, developing on it. So I would say this is probably just as big of an issue as that, if not a greater one.
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Julian
Did the Maui victims ever get anything beyond the fucking $700?
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Amy Dangerfield
Not to my knowledge.
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Julian
That's.
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Amy Dangerfield
I think some people in the case, case of deaths, like if someone in your family died, you got like up to a million, I believe, but that was only if someone died. For people who just lost their properties, I think, I think there were actually some like ten thousand dollar checks issued, but nothing substantial to the point where they can go and they can buy a new home or rebuild their home. And I knew people who lost like absolutely everything in those fires. It was, it was really disgusting to see the way that Hawaii handled that.
- [142:59]
Julian
Yeah, I, I think what just made that go down even worse for people was when you just see at the time it was like they were sending $30 billion that week to Ukraine. I mean, we could probably use that here, right?
- [143:12]
Amy Dangerfield
Exactly. Even though it feels like a different country, these are Americans. Like, why aren't we taking care. This comes back to the America first sentiment. Why aren't we taking care of our people first? The people who need the disaster relief, the homeless veterans who are on the streets, the mothers who were struggling to even get by, the young adults who can't buy their own home and feel like they probably never can, which is again contributing to them not starting fit families. Like, just in the 70s, 50% of people who were 30 or older were married and earned their own home. And now that number is, like, 13. Another stat just came out recently that said that, like, what percentage was it of people that have less than $500 in their bank account, saved up over 50% don't have $500 in their bank account. Like, this is insane.
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Julian
Insane. It's nice.
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Amy Dangerfield
It's actually insane. But I. I don't see. And you know, Trump always talks about it's the golden age. I don't see anyone really contributing to a solution for that.
- [144:12]
Julian
Yeah, that. That part seems to get worse and worse. You know, we talked about this a ton on a lot of different podcasts, but you see the recovery from, like, the 08 crisis. The people that recovered from that are the people who already had a big nut in the market that could afford to lose 50% and wait it out and then make money on their money. The people that. People who had a smaller nut who had saved up to get whatever they could in their 401k, who were 58 years old at that point, were fucked because they were left with nothing and then they had nothing to build on. So the system was. I'm not even blaming any one, like, political move on this. I'm saying, like, in general, the system had been allowed to get to a point by a lot of people over a lot of years to where fucking the majority of people got left behind. So now we can talk about, oh, the stock market's doing this. Or like, the dows and 50,000. She almost said dollars, but by the way, that's how dumb she is. But, like, you know, we can talk about that. Who's participating in it? Not. Not the average everyday American.
- [145:10]
Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
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Julian
And like, that is just.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah, they don't even have 500 in emergency savings, let alone being able to invest substantially into the Magnificent Seven or anything inside of the stock market. Like, it's just such a dumb point when people try to refer to the stock market or these different commodities as a metric for how. How well America's doing. That's why I think there's also a distinction between, like, America first and Americans First. Right, Americans First. I think that's really the movement that people need to put at the forefront. Because when you say America first, that could also just be the corporations that profit off Americans, the people who are already rich. The rich getting richer, the dow getting to 60,000 next. Right. Who knows? But Americans first is putting these disenfranchised People that we're talking about, the veterans first, putting the young people first, helping them buy their first home, helping them start families, helping the, you know, median to low income earners, like that's actually putting Americans first. I think that's what we need to focus on more than America as the corporation, because that's what people see it as, is a, is a corporation.
- [146:17]
Julian
Yeah. And I'll tell you, one of the big concerns I have is like, obviously we should have never gotten into this Iran war for any reason, but then we did and now we, you know, everyone says straight A Hormuz this, straight a Hormuz that. It's a big deal. Because if this ends up having reverberating effects of like oil not being settled in the US Dollar.
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Amy Dangerfield
Absolutely.
- [146:40]
Julian
Inflation's bad now.
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Amy Dangerfield
Oh, it's going to be crazy. And most of the people who are assuring us that, that Trump is doing some 5D chess that we don't understand don't even know what the petro dollar sign system is. They've never even heard of this. They say straight up, what's, what's that? They don't even understand the implications yet. They're mad at you for being unpatriotic, for saying that you don't support this war of choice. Yeah, it's insane. But it just goes to show how uneducated most people are. Again, they're just tuned into Fox News. They've just heard Trump say now 14 times, the war is over. The war is nearly over. We've nearly won the war. It's basically done. The war is over. He's literally set up like 14 times.
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Julian
I think it's more than that.
- [147:20]
Amy Dangerfield
It's, it's insane. It's absolutely insane.
- [147:22]
Julian
It's crazy.
- [147:23]
Amy Dangerfield
And then to say that like he didn't understand the way that our ally countries in the region would be affected. No one warned me of that, that there would be precipitating attacks based off us attacking them. No one want you of that really. What, what, what's your advisor's jobs? Like, what do they do?
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Julian
It's insane.
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Amy Dangerfield
They definitely warned him about that. Like, come on.
- [147:43]
Julian
It's insane. The whole build up to it, insane. It's, it's one of. You know, obviously I'm extremely upset about the Epstein story and I don't think I've ever been more upset about something in my life publicly than, than that. Like, as far as the public story is concerned. But like the Iran war is, is something I'm also extremely upset about. You know, maybe not to that level. But like it's a big deal.
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Amy Dangerfield
Yeah.
- [148:05]
Julian
And you know, you got it. We're in a situation now where pride needs to be completely put to the back burner. And you got to follow that old gambling rule of life. Throw good money after bed.
- [148:18]
Amy Dangerfield
Yep.
- [148:19]
Julian
You know there's some L's you gotta take. Fine. That's better than taking two times those L's and.
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Amy Dangerfield
Right.
- [148:24]
Julian
I don't know. I'm. I'm rooting for the best here. But it's scary.
- [148:28]
Amy Dangerfield
Like when they say they're winning, like what have you won? What do you have before like the Straits Open. Oh you mean the street that was open before you. Before you started this war. All you did was was m. Murder a bunch of innocent civilians. By the way. Create environmental disasters with the. The raining oil and everything like that. And then murder a leader only to install his. His son. I believe it is who is more pro nukes. Who is now pissed off because his entire family was murdered and now probably has an even greater agenda towards the American government. Like make it make sense. But I think for most people, they're not aware of all of those facts. Obviously the Fox News watches. So Trump should just declare it a day the Straits Open. And we took out one of the main. The regime leader. We won. And say that in the majority of Americans will believe it. Right. I think that that's what he's got to do. Swallow his pride. I don't even know what objective he could be going for still at this current point.
- [149:24]
Julian
Well, we'll see how it turns out. It's crazy times for sure. But fun conversation today. Thank you so much for coming. Obviously a lot of different things in there. So. You know, I really appreciate the fact that you like look at so many different scopes of things as well. Which is important that those conversations are happening online. So got to do it. We'll link your show and everything down below so people can go check that out. Go subscribe.
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Amy Dangerfield
I would appreciate that.
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Julian
So that's on YouTube. Spotify.
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Amy Dangerfield
I'm not on Spotify. So I'm on YouTube. I'm on Rumble and I'm also on X and Instagram, but my show goes on the YouTube and the rumble at Amy Dangerfield, every platform.
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Julian
All right, easy enough to remember. Amy, thank you so much for coming.
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Amy Dangerfield
Thank you.
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Julian
All right, everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. What's up guys? Thanks so much for watching the video. If you have not subscribed, please hit that subscribe button before you leave, as well as as leaving a like on the video. It's a huge, huge help. You can join my Patreon via the link in the description and you can also join my Clipping community via the Discord link down below. See you for the next episode. Want to keep up with everything trendy? From breaking news to shareable jokes, pop culture bites to viral food spots, it's all on TikTok. Download TikTok now to explore.