#425 - “13 SHOTS!” - Eddie Gallagher-backed Cop FRAMED for Murder | The Oldrati’s

Summary

Podcast Summary: Julian Dorey Podcast #425

Title: “13 SHOTS!” - Eddie Gallagher-backed Cop FRAMED for Murder | The Oldrati’s
Date: May 22, 2026
Host: Julian Dorey (JDP Daylight Media)
Guests: Barbara and Drew Oldradi (parents of Corporal Salvatore Oldradi, NJ police officer)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the case of Corporal Salvatore ("Sal") Oldradi, a New Jersey police officer indicted for "reckless manslaughter" following a fatal shooting during a 2021 police response. The Oldradis, together with host Julian Dorey, detail the incident, Sal’s policing background, the investigation’s twists, the prosecutorial response, and the family’s years-long struggle for justice. The episode also explores the broader context of contemporary policing, prosecutorial overreach, and the societal attitudes shaping such cases.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to the Case: The Night of the Shooting

[00:41–13:41]

• Julian outlines how he became aware of Sal's story, mentioning Eddie Gallagher and Jim Diorio urged him to dive in, calling it "no gray area, the most black and white case" he’s seen.
• Sal responded to an armed burglary in Mantua Township, NJ, on September 14, 2021 (~1:30am).
• Sal and Corporal Layton responded; Layton encountered the suspect (Charles Sharp), believing him to be the homeowner. Sharp was also on the phone with 911.
• Immediate confrontation: Sharp pointed a handgun at Layton, who called out, “put your gun down,” and maneuvered his vehicle away.
• Sal (trailing Layton) exited, confirmed the threat, and shot Sharp milliseconds after seeing the weapon pointed at him. Layton also drew his gun.
• After neutralizing the threat (13 shots, 10 hit), both officers proceeded with lifesaving measures. Sal, also an EMT, initiated aid.

"It's milliseconds, you know—you're not waiting to get fired upon before you discharge your firearm." — Drew Oldradi (07:00)

2. Sal's Policing Background & Family Context

[07:05–13:41]

• Sal began police involvement at 14 (Philly Police Explorers), went through extensive academy training, and became a Camden, NJ, police officer at 19.
• Family legacy: Drew (father), 37-year Philadelphia Police veteran, 28 years on SWAT; multiple other family members in law enforcement.
• Sal thrived on the job, saving a fellow officer’s life in Camden (using a tourniquet on a gunshot wound).

3. Dangers and Realities of Policing

[10:21–13:41]

• The family discusses community policing, the serious risks, and the challenge of being scrutinized for doing one’s job.
• Drew reflects on policing in difficult urban environments and the shift in training and standards across generations.
• The politics of policing, defund movement, and prosecutorial approaches have made police work less attractive and more precarious.

"They're not allowing officers to do their job. And when they do their job, they indict them." — Barbara Oldradi (21:26)

4. The Aftermath: Legal and Administrative Process

[26:14–29:22]

• Sal was initially cleared: internal/external investigations found no policy violations; he returned to work, acclaimed as Officer of the Year, and was later promoted.
• Two years after the incident, a new Attorney General (AG) convened a grand jury, resulting in Sal's indictment for "reckless manslaughter" (second-degree).
• The family describes the confusion: AG’s own office had already cleared Sal, leading to disbelief at sudden charges.

"I love my son, but these are not opinions, these are facts, evidence, procedures, and policies." — Barbara Oldradi (112:29)

5. The Role of Narrative and Media

[23:27–25:47, 45:17–47:42]

• Mainstream and local news shaped perceptions with incomplete or misleading information, e.g., stating a “homeowner called 911 for help and was shot,” without providing key context.
• The family criticizes the lack of investigative journalism and the way sensational narratives harm good officers.

6. Details Around the Decedent: Charles Sharp

[65:02–90:55]

• Extensive background: former military police (USAF), chronic mental health and substance abuse issues.
• 29 rehab stints, over 21 documented hospitalizations or detoxes in one year alone, repeated suicide attempts (evidence from ex-wife).
• Ex-wife provided a vital statement (played at [91:19–101:05]) describing Sharp as unstable, suicidal, and suffering mental illness—information available to prosecutors but not shown to the grand jury.
• Toxicology: Sharp had extremely high levels of methamphetamine, amphetamines, cocaine, prescription sedatives at the time of death.

"I just—I just—if you can tell [the officer] that for real, like, I'm very sorry. Like, I know he did this on purpose... that poor cop." — Sharp's ex-wife to Attorney General's rep (92:30)

7. The Evidence: 911 Call & Bodycam Footage

[78:23–89:44]

• Sharp called 911 reporting intruders (a scenario later found to be hallucinatory due to intoxication).
• On bodycam (played for the podcast), Sal is seen identifying and responding instantly to an armed threat, firing in quick succession.
• Officers' actions (neutralize, then render aid) align fully with training and departmental policy.
• There were no other suspects; Sharp's reported intruders were, as concluded, figments of psychosis/paranoia.

8. The Indictment and Prosecutorial Conduct

[54:11–61:59, 121:04–125:47]

• Prosecutors allegedly withheld key exculpatory evidence (ex-wife’s testimony, toxicology details) from the grand jury.
• Sal was suspended without pay—no income, health insurance, or due process for three years.
• Family sees the prosecution as driven by political pressures (e.g., "defund the police" climate), aiming for "wins" and deterrent effect on other officers rather than actual justice.
• Recent media reports on the same AG office’s misconduct in other NJ police cases (e.g., withholding exonerating evidence).

9. Systemic Problems in the Justice System

[46:26–47:42, 123:57–126:14]

• Discussion of grand jury process: secretive, defense excluded, highly prosecutorial, susceptible to one-sided narratives (“You can indict a ham sandwich”).
• Concerns about precedent: if departments clear a case, prosecutors can still reopen it years later, putting officers in endless limbo.

"The process is the punishment." — Barbara Oldradi (47:42)

10. Ongoing Fight: Support, Updates, and Hope for Dismissal

[127:08–133:44]

• The family is supported by the Pipe Hitter Foundation (Eddie Gallagher) and encourages public support (links below).
• Awaiting a new Attorney General review: hopes high for rational, evidence-based decision.
• The podcast serves to document the evidence publicly and invite attention, pressure, and support.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Context | |-----------|---------|---------------| | 07:00 | Drew Oldradi | “You're not waiting to get fired upon before you discharge your firearm. You're protecting yourself, your partner, citizens. Everybody." | | 13:41 | Barbara Oldradi | "That evening was a man who suffered decades of depression and alcohol abuse and then, recently, drug abuse that has now ended my son's career and possibly jail time for doing his job." | | 21:26 | Barbara Oldradi | “They're not allowing officers to do their job. And when they do their job, they indict them.” | | 47:42 | Barbara Oldradi | "The process is the punishment." | | 92:30 | Sharp’s ex-wife | "Like, I know he did this on purpose. That poor cop. I feel for him. For the love of God, I want to give him a giant hug because he's going to have to live with what—whatever happened." | | 112:29 | Barbara Oldradi | "These aren't our opinions. We have the evidence, the facts, the laws, the policies, the procedures, and the Attorney General's office has it as well. So this is just a malicious prosecution..." | | 115:16 | Barbara Oldradi | "They didn't present it [to the grand jury]." | | 127:08 | Barbara Oldradi | "Hopefully she [new AG] watches this and sees that...we are putting our confidence in her that if she is a top head law enforcement officer of the state will follow the rule of law and do the right thing." |

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Timeline of Key Events

• September 2021: Sal responds to burglary call, fatally shoots armed suspect Charles Sharp.
• 2 weeks later: Cleared by internal/external investigation, returns to work.
• 2021–2023: Works as police officer, awarded Officer of the Year twice, promoted.
• May 2023: Indicted by grand jury on reckless manslaughter charges; forced to surrender, suspended without pay.
• 2023–2026: Multiple court delays; evidence and exculpatory testimony not shown to grand jury; family forced to raise funds for living/legal expenses; recent revelations about prosecutorial misconduct in related cases.

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Ways to Support/For More Info

• Pipe Hitter Foundation: [Link provided on show / description]
• Salvatore's GiveSendGo Campaign: [Link provided on show / description]
• Instagram Updates: @justiceforcorporaldrati1558
• Personal Website: (Added in show notes by host)

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Conclusion

This episode is a comprehensive exploration of not only the Oldradi family’s anguish and struggle to clear their son's name, but also the systemic issues in policing, prosecution, and public perception. The Oldradi family’s story illustrates what happens when legal, political, and media forces collide in the life of an individual officer and his family. The podcast calls for community support and rational review by new leadership to restore justice, while offering listeners a transparent look at all evidence and a personal view of those most affected.

"We need to get back to standards in America and... this is right and this is wrong. We need to get back to that." — Barbara Oldradi (131:42)

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Transcript

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[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

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[Podcast Host]

So when Eddie Gallagher sends me a text, my immediate inclination is to be like, sir, yes sir. And then when I get a follow up text from Jim Diorio saying, you better do this, it's like, yes sir. So I did take a look at your son's case. We had a chance to talk on the phone, we just been talking off camera as well. Hits close to home because you guys are from the town right next to where I grew up down in Mantua. And this is the most, no gray area black and white case I've seen in a long, long time. So I felt like, goes without saying, jokes aside, like, this is definitely something where if we can help get a little attention on this like I did with the Tyre Wallace case back in the day, perhaps some cooler heads can prevail and we can, we can make sure the right justice is, is done here. So people don't know what the fuck I'm about. I think we should probably give some idea but I have the Oldratis here with me so if you guys wouldn't mind introducing yourself and then also maybe a little intro into your son Sal and what's going on.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So I'm Barbara Aldradi, I'm the mother of Corporal Salvatore Eldrade.

[Drew Oldradi]

And I'm Drew Oldradi, Sal's dad from South Philly. From South Philly, yes, absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

I love it. I love it. So your son Sale is a cop in Manchua Township, New Jersey. And essentially just because it's been like a five year odyssey here, let's just start at the top, like what happened?

[Barbara Aldradi]

So he was involved in a critical incident back in. On September 14, 2021. He There was a reporting of an arm burglary in progress at a residence where, which was about two blocks from the police department. So him and his corporal responded. His corporal is the first officer on the scene where he encounters a man at the curb which he believes because he sees the front door open, he believes is the homeowner who has called to report the burglaries of breaking into his shed and breaking into his car when he rolls down his passenger side Window. He's met immediately with the man extending his arm and pointing a gun. The decedent, he's now decedent, was on an open line with 911 at the same time. At the same time he was on the phone with 911. And you hear Corporal Layton through the 911 call say, put your gun down. Put your gun down. And he speeds up just to get out of harm's way, maybe like a house or two. And Salvatore is following right behind him.

[Podcast Host]

And what time? I'm sorry, I think you said it. What time of night was this again?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Around 1:30am Low light conditions, early in the morning of September 14th.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so he. The first guy, Leighton is his name?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Corporal Layton.

[Podcast Host]

So once he's making the call, suspect is armed with a weapon. As far as he can tell. How far ahead does he move when he moves out of the way?

[Barbara Aldradi]

About a house?

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, about a house.

[Barbara Aldradi]

About a house. Up. He couldn't. He, you know, he wasn't able to get his weapon. He was, you know, seated. In a seated position, was able to get his weapon out. And he was startled because he's, you know, his belief is that this is the homeowner calling, you know, and here he's met with a weapon right to his head.

[Podcast Host]

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[Barbara Aldradi]

Right, so he pulls up and Salvatore, at the same time, Salvatore is coming behind him, but he's following his corporal. The corporal gets out of the car, Salvatore gets out of the car, and Corporal Layton says, he's got a gun. He's got a gun. Salvatore says, where? And you can see on the 911 call, Salvatore peeks out, ducks back. He says, I made sure he had that weapon and he had it pointed at him. And he engaged him. And he goes down and he's still in possession of the firearm. Salvatore engages him again and says, stop reaching, stop reaching. And then they were eventually able to move forward once they saw that the weapon was no longer in his hands, they were able to move forward and then start ems, you know, life saving procedures, which Salvatore is an EMS as well. He's emt. He's certified.

[Podcast Host]

So Leighton also at this point is able to have his gun drawn as well as they're moving into.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Correct, Correct.

[Podcast Host]

And by the way, I have a picture here that you showed me. This is from your son Sal's body, correct?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Body camera.

[Podcast Host]

Body camera right here. Okay, so if I'm.

[Drew Oldradi]

It's.

[Podcast Host]

This part's a lot. That part's not.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yep. That's the cop car right there.

[Podcast Host]

This is the cop car. So he's still seated.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yep. And Salvatore lights him up with. Lights the flashlight. Right.

[Podcast Host]

He illuminates so we can clearly see. And we're gonna come to. To Mr. Sharp and like, his whole backstory and everything, because it's. It's very tragic. Obviously, the whole story is tragic, but what I'm seeing right here is that he. I can't see personally, in the body cam. Cause it's hazy what's in his hand, but I can see he's clearly in like a. If you were going to have a gun in your hand, like a cocked kind of position like that. So your son was able to identify, just like Leighton did, that in his hands here was a gun.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Correct.

[Podcast Host]

And this is the gun that he had right here?

[Barbara Aldradi]

That's correct.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, now, what kind of gun is this?

[Drew Oldradi]

I don't know if it's a 9 millimeter.

[Barbara Aldradi]

It's a 9 millimeter. According to the. The report.

[Drew Oldradi]

Semi auto.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so when he. What's the timeline approximately of.

[Drew Oldradi]

Or. I'm sorry, that could have been a.45. Whatever he said on the pot on his 911 call.45.

[Podcast Host]

He said it on the call. Yeah, we're gonna play the call in a couple minutes, too, just so people have that background. But how. What is the. Like, roughly, as far as we know, the time period from when this shot is taken, where Sal is holding the flashlight out to him, to the first

[Barbara Aldradi]

shot ringing out, like, not even seconds. Not even a second. It's. He says, I. I illuminate him. I saw that he was pointing the gun at me. I thought he was going to shoot me. And my training kicked in, and.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, the shootings. Milliseconds, you. You know, you're not waiting to get fired upon before you discharge your firearm.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Right.

[Drew Oldradi]

You know, you're protecting yourself, your partner, the citizens there. Everybody.

[Podcast Host]

Let's take a step back for a minute, too, so people have a little bit of backstory and context as well, because this is obviously like the night of a critical event that. But there's a lot of things that happen before this. How long had Sal been a cop at this point?

[Barbara Aldradi]

So Salvatore was involved in policing. He officially became a police officer when he was 19 in Camden. But his training started at the young age of 14. He was a member of the Philadelphia Police Explorers. So he would go every Saturday, and

[Podcast Host]

he would Train the Philadelphia Police Explorers.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yes.

[Drew Oldradi]

What is this? That's an excellent program for anybody who's interested in becoming law enforcement. You go to this program, there's training, PT training, all everything scenario. You would go through the police academy without being paid by the city. So when he's. When he's. The Explorers take their police tests. They're usually the top people who rank high. And he passed the pt, no problem. They flow through the academy, no issues. Because from the age of 14 till, I think 18 years old, you can stay in this program and groom yourself to become the best of the best before you take the police test.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So when he was 18, I said to him, well, maybe you should move in with nanny and Poppy in Jersey. Because if you're going to be a police officer, put your life on the line, maybe go somewhere a little safer than Philadelphia, make a little bit more money.

[Podcast Host]

You make more money than in Philly.

[Barbara Aldradi]

In certain areas of New Jersey, yes. Their. And their pension is different. 25 years where the more he works. My husband's a Philadelphia police officer with the SWAT unit.

[Podcast Host]

I didn't know that.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah. I have 37 years in city of Philadelphia. And the last 20.

[Podcast Host]

Uzi in that cannoli.

[Drew Oldradi]

No, the last 28 years on the SWAT team and counting.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right. So we just thought it would be better opportunity. And my brother was a police officer in New Jersey and guided him and along the way was his mentor as well. So he moved in with my parents, and then he went to Camden County College and he became an emt. And then from there he took the, like, alternative route to the police academy to become a member of the police department in Camden. So he went through the police academy and he was a police officer in Camden.

[Podcast Host]

That's a tough place.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah.

[Drew Oldradi]

Oh, he loved it.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Oh, he loved it.

[Drew Oldradi]

He loved it.

[Barbara Aldradi]

He loved it. He liked. He's a real cops cop. Right. He. He trained, he would educate himself, he would take classes, anything he could do to make sure he was prepared. And one night, actually in Camden in November, he was working with his good friend and partner, Patrick o', Hanlon, and he was in pursuit of a suspect. And Pat had engaged with him and was wrestling with him and was shot in the leg. And salvager pulled up on the scene and he had a tourniquet. He was the only one that had the tourniquet. They were not standard issued at that time. And he was able to get the tourniquet on his leg, throw him in the cop car and get him to the hospital, get him to Cooper? Yep. And the. And the. The surgeons and the doctors there said if that did not happen, we would have a total different scene here. He would have most likely bled out.

[Podcast Host]

That's one of the worst places to get shot. I've heard from a lot of people,

[Barbara Aldradi]

and that's why it's so ironic. Like, oh, did you have to shoot him dead? Mass center? Couldn't you shoot him in the leg? People don't understand. Like, you shoot him in the leg, you have a femoral artery running through. That's, you know.

[Podcast Host]

Anyway, that's how Sean Taylor died, I believe, when he was. When his home was burglarized, he was shot in the leg and the artery.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And you bleed out.

[Podcast Host]

You bleed out, like, very quickly.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So, you know, he was in Camden for many years and then had the opportunity to move to Mantua, where there's more room for growth and opportunity, more pay.

[Podcast Host]

Now what. What's it. Let's. Let's look at Camden, though, as well, because, like, I spent some time in Camden growing up, because I grew up very close to there in West Depford. And it's always joked about as, like, not a great neighborhood and everything. They have tried to rebuild some of it, and in some little parts that they've. They've done a good job, but it's certainly. It wasn't always this way, but the past 50 years or so, 50, 60 years, it's been a really dangerous spot. So your son is coming up at a young age, basically on the street, 19, 20 years old, learning how to be a police officer in Camden. What was, you know, I assume you've had some good conversations about what that's like. Like, how do you build community trust? How do you still do your job while, you know, not trying to be fenced off from everyone, if you will? Because there's a natural distrust between the communities, like police officers and the people in a lot of these places.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah, in Camden, it's a lot of community policing. They do a lot with the community. However, they revamped and reworked that. It was a lot of the community policing, but still dangerous, right? You still have people running around. Officers still have to do their job. You know, when he told me, I'm like, I moved you out of Philadelphia. I didn't want you to go to Camden. I wanted you to be somewhere safer, not Camden.

[Podcast Host]

You're like, that's my boy.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right? But, you know, he. This is all he's ever wanted to do. From a young age, He. We always say, like, he came out of the womb ready to go. Always took an interest in a very young age in this profession. And he's, he's seen a lot of things that most 19 year olds haven't experienced. And he was out there, you know, protecting his community and his fellow officers. And he was awesome at it, you know.

[Podcast Host]

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[Barbara Aldradi]

Which led to this event, you know, move to Mantua, nice little safer town. But it wasn't your common, you know, drug dealer or gang member. This was just, you know, that evening was a man who suffered decades of depression and alcohol abuse and then within recently, drug abuse that has now ended my son's career and possibly jail time for doing his job.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, at the moment, at the moment

[Barbara Aldradi]

we're going to, we believe. I always say, you know, how do people always ask me like, how do you sleep at night with him being on the police department? I say I have to put it in God's hands. I have to trust that God's going to bring him home every night. And the same thing with, with Salvatore. I just, and my brother, we're a police and military family. You just have to put your trust that they're going to come home every night.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

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[Drew Oldradi]

Total 37 years.

[Podcast Host]

Holy.

[Drew Oldradi]

Okay.

[Podcast Host]

And I've seen a few things.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah. In the last 28 years on the SWAT team and counting, you know, like.

[Podcast Host]

And so that's your primary.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, we're a full time SWAT team in Philadelphia.

[Podcast Host]

All right, quick side note on that. Like, how annoying is the whole swatting thing now? You know what I mean?

[Drew Oldradi]

A couple calls, but yeah, we handle. We're. We're so busy, you know, doing priorities. Yeah. We go out and you see, like I, hey, you know, after a while, you know, this is, you know, so after we do our thing, how we do it, then we figure it out.

[Podcast Host]

Now you, you grew up in Philadelphia.

[Drew Oldradi]

You were saying South Philly.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. Did you always want to be a cop?

[Drew Oldradi]

Always.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. Always want what drew you to it?

[Drew Oldradi]

So I always want to be like SWAT back in the 70s, to show SWAT. I just thought that was neat. I said, oh, man, look at this. I, this is where I want to be. And I always tell. And my family members knew. I said, I'm a police officer. I said, I'm going to go to swat, you know. And sure enough, I got on the job, learned a job. I worked plain clothes for a bunch of years. And around nine years after that, I had the opportunity to put a transfer in a swat. And there I was.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Salvatore was a baby. So 28, 20. He's 29 now.

[Podcast Host]

What was it like being a cop in like the early 90s in Philly?

[Drew Oldradi]

Oh, I worked Brian Grizzo, right?

[Barbara Aldradi]

No, no, no.

[Podcast Host]

Was the 80s, right?

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah. And he passed away. He was running for mayor at the time, but he passed away prior to getting that. But I was great. I work with a bunch of young great guys and my old partner Jimmy Green, and we used to work the Projects. And they were out of control back then. And, like, we got in control. We were like young guys filled with piss and vinegar, you know, just locking people up for, like, shootings and robberies. And we loved it.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Oh, you mean that they actually locked people up?

[Drew Oldradi]

And it was different time. Like, you lock people up, man. You just knew it was the same players who was doing the robberies who were doing the shootings.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Yeah.

[Drew Oldradi]

You know, who were the homicides? It always came back, like, the same group of people.

[Podcast Host]

Well, kind of the same question I was asking about Sal and Camden. When you're doing the highest level stuff, like, you're going after the people who are killing people, like, a lot of gang stuff and things like that, you know, you have a job to do. You got to go make sure you get bad guys off the street. But then there's a lot of other people that live there, too. And maybe they're like, oh, that's just. That's just Jimmy. He lives on the corner. Like, he's fine. And you're like, well, no, Jimmy actually has four bodies on him. But how do you develop? How do you balance that community policing versus also making sure you execute your job correctly?

[Drew Oldradi]

The community knows who the bad people are, and they thank you. They're like, yo, thanks a lot. They might not want to be involved, and some people do because they're scared for themselves, scared for their safety. But they'll come up and say, yo, thank you. Thank you for what you guys do. And we would do it, and they knew, and people would call in, yo, this is so and so. Plus, we had great snitches. Or snitches were the best. And they would always tell you who's doing what. You know, that was.

[Podcast Host]

It was part of your job trying to cultivate cis CI, Right.

[Drew Oldradi]

Sure. Yeah, sure. You do.

[Podcast Host]

You say cis, I say snitches. I like it.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

How do you. I mean, how do you do. How do you approach someone like that? When you know it's someone. Obviously you're looking for someone usually who's lower level or someone who's not a criminal at all and just sees things happening. How do you know, like, that's a good person I could talk to?

[Drew Oldradi]

You just know. You have that gut feeling, you know,

[Podcast Host]

that's such a Philly.

[Drew Oldradi]

It's a gut feeling. You told them, say, hey, listen, if you have anything, here's my number. Give me a call. If not, I understand. No problem. And sure enough, as soon as you pull away, an hour later, your phone's ringing. Oh, so. And so call. Left a message. We have cell phones at the time, you know, and they would leave a message and you called them back and they would give you information, and you took it from there.

[Podcast Host]

Did you have those car phones with the cord, like, in the metal, you

[Drew Oldradi]

know, my first police car, we used to have.

[Barbara Aldradi]

I'm saying we're old. That we.

[Drew Oldradi]

First police car I had. We had phones. I do.

[Barbara Aldradi]

We did.

[Drew Oldradi]

They were like a phone you would just pick up with a receiver and you answer it.

[Barbara Aldradi]

That way they used to plug into the lighter. It was strictly a car phone to call for help.

[Drew Oldradi]

Row seats to the greatest on earth.

[Podcast Host]

That's Philly is. Philly's always got something going on. For sure.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, it's great. But you. We had a great core of officers. We worked together like young guys, and it was just great. We just got the job done, you know.

[Podcast Host]

Do you feel like a lot one of the things that's come up recently that's not relevant to your son because he was training from so young and, you know, you can also tell a dude hits the gym, but do you think that back in the day, there was more of an emphasis on, like, the training aspect of being able to be ready for the heat in the streets across the country with police officers as opposed to today? Because that's something a lot of goddamn civilians like me, you'll see. And we'll see some cops where we're like, yes, that guy's a cop. And then we see others and we're like, that guy's a cop. You know what I mean? Like, shouldn't our tax dollars be paying for that?

[Drew Oldradi]

When I came up, a lot of guys came out of the military that became police officers, so they had that discipline. So when I got on the job, I had a lot of old timers to school you to show you, hey, kid, here's what this. Hey, kid, see this guy over here? And then you start learning, they would start educating you. Now, today, you know, you're learning with guys who maybe have two years on the job, so. Or three years. They're trying to teach a new person and depending on what part of the city you work on. Yeah, you have an education because they're busy, Right. But a lot of times they don't. You know, it's like, you know, they just don't have that education to train them.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And I think in today's time, your hands are tied. Like, you're a police officer, you're supposed to do your job, but then they're you know, they're highly scrutinized for doing their job. Oh, you should have do it this way, then that way. Well, that's not the tactics, that's not the training. That's not the policy and the procedures. You know, you have to follow your training. And they're not allowing officers to do their job. And when they do their job, they indict them. So, you know, you have a whole vicious cycle of. With the whole. To defund the police movement that really started that downward spiral for police officers. And, you know, I don't. Who's going to want to do this job if we keep.

[Podcast Host]

Well, that's the issue. Yeah. When I think back on that, it's like if someone feels disempowered to do the thing they're entrusted to do, you don't. And it's not like you guys are paid a million dollars a year. Like, you take away a lot of the incentive for wanting to even take on that risk.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

And I think we've seen. It's funny, I can't think of examples off the top of my head because I'm blanking right now, but I know I've seen several examples just in the last year where a news story comes out and it's very clear that like, the police officer was in a position where he's like, I mean, I'm supposed to, but I'm just gonna.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And then you have to take that, then you can lose your life. So you have to take that on as either I'm going home to my family or, you know, this person isn't, or, you know, vice versa. Because they do have a split second to make a decision sometimes. And it's not that they have to act perfect, they have to act reasonable. Are they acting reasonable? And I think that's where the media comes in because they say, no, they should have did this, this, this, this their Monday morning quarterbacking these scenarios when they have an instant to make a decision, you have a gun pointed at you. We don't point guns at police officers. We don't act as if we're going to point guns at police officers. We should be following their directions. But we've lost that respect because to fund the police movement, the narratives that the news media put out. And the same thing with Salvatore's case. When he was finally indicted, the previous Attorney general, Matt Placton, came out with a statement saying that while this homeowner called 911 to ask for help, sadly he didn't receive that help. When he didn't. He left out the whole rest of the part of the story, you know, so it's the perception, it's the narratives that people push out that make people think, oh, the police officers are bad. Is there corruption? Sure, there's corruption. There's corruption everywhere. But officers that are out there generally doing their job every day, then putting their life on the line to protect us, they have a certain level of risk that they take, and we have to respect that. And not. We're not talking about opinions. We're talking about facts. Right. We need the facts.

[Podcast Host]

Yes. Over the years, I started going more and more to our mutual friend Jim Diorio. Whenever I'd see, like, one of these videos drop to actually get a breakdown, because Jim's been on my show before. But for people who are unfamiliar, he was in the FBI for many years, Special Forces before that. And Jim will be the first to tell you he's like, in his career at FBI, if he got a case with, like, a bad cop, he'd fry him.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

But he'll also tell you when he's like, this is. Or something like that. And you'll see. Sometimes you'll see a clear cut one where some guy is running away unarmed, and a couple just shoot him in the back. And it's like, okay, well, we kind of know what that is. But a lot of these, to your point, you have maybe a half a second while your adrenaline is already pumping to think about a decision. And then if the guy is actually armed, especially with a firearm or something like that, and is within range of you, I understand why the thought for. For a police officer in that scenario. And I'm thinking of ones that are far less black and white than your sons. I understand why the thought process is like, well, it's me or him, or it's me or him and other people he might take down with him, too.

[Barbara Aldradi]

You know, people don't understand you. Like, you don't understand or know what that person has in their waist line. So they may be running away from you, and motion as if they're reaching, and then turn around and shoot. Like, there's. It's not a one, one and done. It's not like, oh, this guy was running away. He shouldn't have been shot. Well, that body cam footage doesn't show everything. They want that to be the end. All right, you're. It's here. So your chest level. It doesn't see what the. I see.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Doesn't process what the brain processes. So there's plenty of people who have been reaching, as if they're reaching, have been unarmed and shop shot. And that's a justified shooting because you are making the motion as if you have a weapon. That officer is now responding. So there is no right or wrong, so to speak. Or black, black and white. You have to take the evidence from every single shooting, take what the officer knew and you know, go through it that way.

[Podcast Host]

It's, yes, it has to be 100%, has to be a case by case basis.

[Barbara Aldradi]

It has to be case by case basis, you know, and, and you have milliseconds to react.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yes. And you're processing all this information and it's quick and it happens quick. And just like in my son shooting, it's fast. You know, that's just unfortunately how it is. I always told him when he got on the job, I said, do the job right, you know, be fair, stay grounded. But the number one rule, the number one thing is make sure you come home at the end of the night, the end of your tour. That's most important. Everything else we'll deal with. But that's the most important thing. That's for all officers.

[Podcast Host]

I think the other thing is, and I'm going to ask you about SWAT in a minute because that's a little bit of a different scenario. But especially when you're, you're a police officer, when I talk with guys who worked in intelligence or stuff like that, they always tell you the job is really boring, it's a lot of nothing. And then it's something very quick. And you know, you got to be able to spring into action right at that point. And in a lot of ways it's no different. If you're on a 12 hour shift as a police officer, you're doing your regular rounds, you're in your car shaking hands, sometimes checking in on stuff, and then you don't know when it's coming and suddenly some guy has a gun, you're like, oh shit. You might have just been on evil.

[Barbara Aldradi]

You have to be right. You could just be given a speeding ticket or, you know, pulled over, somebody's cars, broke down. And then the next minute you're in a shootout or you're chasing a suspect down the street that's armed. And their job is always fluid. I say this all the time. They wake up every day, they don't know what their job is going to entail from hour to hour, right? One minute they're saving a life, one minute they may have to take their life or the next minute they're giving their life. So it's constantly fluid all day long. Their brain has to be able to process the scene, make a decision and move quickly. That's how they're trained. They're not trained to. Well, wait a minute. Let me stop and think what the best situation. The person's coming at me with a knife or a gun. Let me stop and think. How can I. Let me de. Escalate. Excuse me, do you. Would you mind. Could you please put that gun down? It doesn't always happen that way where you have that time and space to do that. Right. And the laws, their policies and procedures, the guidelines that they follow, allow them to operate under a different set of rules than you or I with a weapon, chasing after somebody. Right. Because they're police officers. So there's. You have to look at the totality of the situation. Right. The totality of the circumstance. That's where you see was the officer in fear of his life? Was this suspect, was he armed and dangerous? And clearly, you know, he was. And we'll get into the 911 call and what's led up to this evening, because once when Salvatore was cleared, he was cleared on two areas he was cleared on. He didn't violate policy. Policy procedures, anything administratively. And then when they start looking into the background, they start seeing there's a lot going on over here. This could be possibly suicide by police. And he was cleared very quickly to

[Podcast Host]

go back to work in 2021.

[Barbara Aldradi]

In 2021, yeah. Within two weeks.

[Podcast Host]

We'll explain the context there, because it's crazy. It was two years later. But, Drew, when you, like in training, I think the better way to ask it is now, as opposed to when. When you were first training back in the day. There's obviously all different kinds of scenarios that go into when you're coming up on a subset on a suspect who might be armed or is in any way viewed as dangerous. But if you come upon someone who is, let's say you know they're armed and you know that they're unbalanced from what you can see, what is the perfect world. Trained steps that you're supposed to take in that scenario as a police officer,

[Drew Oldradi]

situation will dictate what's going to happen.

[Podcast Host]

So it's different every time.

[Drew Oldradi]

All the time.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Time.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Drew Oldradi]

You don't know if a person's going to comply. You don't know what's going through their head.

[Podcast Host]

How do you try to get them to comply? Just verbally at first.

[Drew Oldradi]

Please let me see your hands. Drop the gun. Drop it, you know, and then you go from there and then we'll escalate. It could go from he gives up to where they start shooting at you that quick and you don't know. So you prepare yourself, you know, you're, you hone your skills, right? You hone that skill level. You know, you push yourself beyond that breaking point. That's what you do when you're training, you know, you're doing these, all this different training we do and you go beyond your level that, you know, hey, I can handle this, you know.

[Podcast Host]

Now if a suspect, let's say you come upon a scene, he's armed, dangerous, obviously, and the suspect is not raising once you have already said, hey, drop your weapon and whatever, and he's, maybe he doesn't drop it, but it's not raised towards you or anything and there's at least an opportunity in this type of scenario, which your son obviously didn't really have, but in this type of scenario to have some verbal back and forth with the suspect. Are you guys trained on psychological tactics

[Drew Oldradi]

to try to warehouses, negotiate and train? Yes, you know, we'll train. We'll, you know, there's people who have a gun and we negotiate with them. We want a peaceful resolution, right? That's what we look for. We don't look for regards to what people say, oh, we look for a peaceful resolution. We don't kill everybody. You know, that's the whole thing we don't do. We the peaceful resolution, put your weapon down, come out and we take control of them and we place them under arrest. They're going to dictate how they want to do. We call them the 1 percenters. You know, it's less than 1% that do that, people. I'm not going back to jail. Even though some people say that. But some people are for real. They start just shooting it out with you, they don't want to go back. Whatever is going through their mind at that time, it doesn't matter. They're the people you have to be more concerned with. But you, you know, this is how it is.

[Podcast Host]

How did you end up on SWAT by the way?

[Drew Oldradi]

So I did a tryout, you know, I did a tryout. I passed and six months after that I was transferred to swat.

[Podcast Host]

What's a SWAT tryout look like? Bring me on the run.

[Drew Oldradi]

So now there's a PT part of it. Mile and a half run, push ups, sit ups, you have to shoot two on, on, on the shooting course. You got to shoot 295s or or above. And that's pretty much your next chapter

[Barbara Aldradi]

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[Drew Oldradi]

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[Podcast Host]

approveche los ahoros de Memorial Day en los y compra los vasicos pare logar pormenos ahoro centadola eres en la parria gas de cuatro que madores char broil performance series.

[Drew Oldradi]

So, but there's like a 300, what is it? Yard dash? There's all kind of stuff, but it's the psyche to get you, you the same. Like, you know, you go there and you're like all pumped up and you got the instructors there and people, you know, even I seen even the best shooters fail to shoot only because they're so psyched out, you know. And then after that you go into the PT part, sit ups, push ups, pull ups and, and then you do your mile and a half run, you know, and some people run your mile and a half and I'm the runner. I used to stand and fight everybody, you know what I mean?

[Podcast Host]

I'm a runner, but I could bench 425.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, I could lift weight, so I could lift weights all day, but you know, probably like, you know, nothing, you know.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Well, you're also talking 28 years ago younger then.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, I could run 8 minute mile, you know, or something. That's pretty, I mean, yeah, but it's pretty good. Yeah, I know. You know, and now I just, yeah, I just lift weights, walk out slowly. That's it, you know, I ain't gonna chase you, you know, somebody else. I got all the younger guys send

[Barbara Aldradi]

the younger ones out to chase.

[Drew Oldradi]

I got all the other guys who were like, you know, cheaters and all. They could do it.

[Podcast Host]

So what, what's a day to day like? I mean you've been doing this 28 years now, so.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah. So, you know, you stay in roll call, you have roll call and you don't know what's going to happen. We could have high risk warrant service for homicide or we have a, a shooting, shooting unit. There's hands, all shootings. There'd be warrants for them or from the division detectives or we have a barricade Someone barricades himself in the house for whatever reasons, and then jobs come in. And when jobs come in, we have to go out and recon these jobs to see, like.

[Podcast Host]

Recon?

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah. So we go out, we look at the properties, and we see the best way in, where the rear of the property is the best way to the rear. Do we. Do we need our drone teams out there with us? And it's a methodical way we do things.

[Podcast Host]

So these are situations that aren't emergency. Like someone's holding a gun to someone's head right now. These are like, we know we're gonna have to do this tomorrow.

[Drew Oldradi]

So you've homicide calls. Oh, we have four jobs. We got three jobs. One job, whatever it is. We go out, we reconstole our own intelligence that the SWAT unit does, and we have a format that we use because there's more than likely. We'll probably go back to this house sometime in the future, right? Possibly. And a lot of times it's years later. Maybe it's someone's brother, you know, or father, you know, whatever it is. But it's our own intelligence that we do, and we keep everything on file.

[Podcast Host]

What are you most looking for when you cut? Because all these places are different that you're looking at. Like, what are. What are the first three things that you're trying to figure out? The second you're recon.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Don't give away too many secrets. We don't want the other one.

[Drew Oldradi]

I want to know how we're getting into this location. Is it the front door is a fortified. We have an intel, and that's what we do. You know, how about the rear? Can we access the rear? You know, and that's the other thing.

[Podcast Host]

Is this a batter, a ram kind of job?

[Drew Oldradi]

So, yeah, I mean, we're definitely going to. You know, we knock and announce and. And if you don't open the door, we'll open it for you. That's what we do.

[Podcast Host]

There you go.

[Drew Oldradi]

You know, we gotta write a role

[Podcast Host]

for him and something. I feel. I feel like a character. Thief's the screenwriter.

[Drew Oldradi]

Oh, yeah, whatever.

[Podcast Host]

He's sitting over here, like, just getting ideas the whole time. All right, so obviously it's in your blood. You got on both sides of the family. Cops, military, the whole bit. You've been on the force forever. You're clearly very into it. That's cool. So your son was into it a young age as well. He ends up in. In Camden initially working the beat out there on the street. And then why did he Choose Mantua. Like, did he have any connects to the actual town or.

[Barbara Aldradi]

I. I don't.

[Drew Oldradi]

He had a couple opportunities to go to a couple different places.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Drew Oldradi]

They were hiring first. He said, whoever hires first, that's where I'm going. And he got hired there first. And the guys he worked with, he loved them, you know, so he just stayed there.

[Podcast Host]

It's a great town. Great town. How old was he when he moved to Mantua?

[Barbara Aldradi]

I think it was back in 22 or 3. He was like 21, 22.

[Podcast Host]

What year? Ish. Are we talking?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Oh, my gosh. So like 2018, 2019. Let me say I have my.

[Podcast Host]

So when. Basically when this incident happens, though he had been in Mantua for at least a couple years.

[Barbara Aldradi]

He was. He was officer of the year. He became officer of the year and he. Twice. He was officer of the year once prior to the shooting, once after the shooting. And then he also made corporal after the shooting. So obviously, you know, this was. He was cleared because he wouldn't have been able to return to work and. Or received the prestigious award and also became corporal, which is a program you really have to study for. And the interviewing process is very intense with that as well.

[Podcast Host]

What makes it so intense?

[Barbara Aldradi]

They. They have to sit in front of a panel, I think, of state police and other people that have Ryan in the police department. I think it's some chiefs that they had to sit and do interviews. And I think he was ranked number two, I believe, out of all the other applicants when he became corporal.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. All of this is happening really young too. Like, he's really.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah.

[Drew Oldradi]

I mean, 24 is really discipline and he. And he takes the job serious and knows it.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And he educates him sometimes on things like with his. On his weapons.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah. Because he's an armor. My son's in armor.

[Podcast Host]

He's educating you on weapons.

[Drew Oldradi]

I would ask him because he does all these different ballistic testing and he's just knowledge research. A lot of like, different stuff you want to put. Like if you want to set up your NM4 rifle, this site, this scope, you know, this. This flashlight, whatever it is.

[Barbara Aldradi]

This red dot. Right. Whatever. Whatever.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Yeah.

[Drew Oldradi]

Accessories. What rifles A go. Right on. He'll give you a list of them. Stay away from missed or not that good. The reviews, the quality control. He's real thorough on. On things. So. Yeah, I lean to him when I go to people who have knowledge.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Drew Oldradi]

And to get better, to educate myself.

[Podcast Host]

You know, I should have asked you this earlier too, because you've been on SWAT for So long. But I would imagine you've had to take kill shots in your career.

[Drew Oldradi]

I was present for them. I was a spotter on a couple jobs. But me, myself, my years, I never had to shoot anybody.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so the guys that you're with though, if you're present for some situations where someone was armed and dangerous and they had to get shot. Had to get shot in that scenario, obviously they have reviews and everything afterwards. Were you ever around one where there was a controversial review?

[Drew Oldradi]

Never.

[Podcast Host]

So they were all very straightforward.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, yeah. Justified shootings.

[Podcast Host]

Do you think part of that is also because you were literally on the SWAT team?

[Drew Oldradi]

So it's like we're held to a higher standard swat. We can't. You just can't like just shoot people like you're. You're held at a higher standard. So they look to you like hey, if this was really SWAT did it, you know, had to be something right then.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And they're sometimes they're on where they're being called to a scene. Whereas an officer just on patrol or car stop, that's something that might not be prepared for. When they go to scenes, they know they're going to a barricade with someone. So they have a little bit more, not all the time, but preparation like when they're going out to this house, they're holding somebody hostage. They know that where just regular patrol officers like you said, they, you know their job is changing throughout the day.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Barbara Aldradi]

You know they don't have the second person in the car, the backup where he's coming with the big bear truck, he's coming with armor vehicle. They're coming with all the guns a blazing so to speak.

[Podcast Host]

Helmets, bulletproof.

[Drew Oldradi]

And patrol doesn't have that. That they have. Some of them have long guns now we did put in the last so many years they have long guns. All our guys have them.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And you still worry still, you know, things happen his and we're coming to

[Drew Oldradi]

try to a peaceful resolution.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right.

[Drew Oldradi]

It's up to you. You're going to dictate on what you're going to do is how we're going to.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Back in 2020, his corporal was killed doing just serving a warrant with narcotics and not narcotics.

[Podcast Host]

Wait, corporal on the SWAT team?

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah. Jimmy o'. Connor. It was a homicide.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Homicide. I'm sorry. Sorry. My apologies.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, he was shot. They. He was shot going up the stairs through the wall. They were shooting through the wall at him. Yeah.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So it is still, you know, it's dangerous profession no matter what unit you're in. Yeah, they put their lives on the

[Podcast Host]

line every day for sure. You still worry about that 28 years in.

[Barbara Aldradi]

You always worry. You always worry. But I have to. I just. I have to. I pray I just put it in God's hands and I'll text him. The night that Salvatore was involved with the shooting in Camden, he was on the night shift.

[Podcast Host]

The one with the tourniquet.

[Barbara Aldradi]

The tourniquet. And I remember I always would text him before I would go to bed. You know, be safe. Have a good night. Text me as soon as you get off the shift. You know, I just needed that peace of mind. And we talked, and about a half an hour later, I'm walking the dog, and I'm like, oh, my God. Something. My stomach got real sick, and I'm like, something's wrong. So I messaged him back, and I said, sal, be, like, extra safe tonight. And then we went in the house, and I was getting ready for bed, and he's in the shower. And a friend that was listening to the scanner called me up and said there was a shooting in Camden. An officer was shot. And according to where they were, it's either Pat or Salvatore. And I can't get a hold of either one of them. I'm like, oh, my God. So I'm yelling at him, get out of the shower. As I'm yelling at him, someone from SWAT is calling him. There was just an officer in Camden shot. I'm yelling down to my other boys, like, open the door. Because I'm thinking, if he was shot, somebody has to come and get me, right? Couldn't get a hold of anybody for, like, a good 10 minutes. I called my brother because he had some connections in Jersey. We were calling around, and he called me back. He said, it's not Salvatore. It's Pat. But, you know, get up to the hospital. And then we were able to get more phone calls, like. Like, you know, get to the hospital. So I had that. Just that gut instinct that night. So if my. My belly's kind of bubbling, I kind of like, all right, listen, you know, be a little extra careful tonight, because, you know, they're hunted today. These police officer, in my opinion, are being hunted. They. They are being belligerent to them. They're fighting with them, even over speeding tickets. And we've just lost all respect for our law enforcement agency. So I. You know, I just pray.

[Podcast Host]

I pray there needs to be a better middle ground. I'm a huge believer in the middle ground and everything. And it's, like, mutual respect between communities. And officers, and also everyone held to the standard they're supposed to be held to. And that's how society is supposed to function.

[Barbara Aldradi]

But we're so like, the bad is good and the good is bad. Now, that's where. That's where we've turned to in this. In this society. And this is why we have been doing podcasts and speaking up not only for our son, because today it's our son, tomorrow it's this person's son or daughter, or it might be. Be the next per. It might be them themselves. So we have to cultivate and let people know that we have people backing them, we have people supporting them, doing their job. And that's, I think, where we are. We're just trying to be the voice because he can't speak up for himself,

[Podcast Host]

but also bringing evidence publicly as well so that the average person can actually see it.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, obviously, we met our. Each other through Eddie Gallagher. I was telling you off camera before, I remember, like, seeing Eddie Gallagher's case in the background before I did this back in 2016, 2017, and you read the headlines really fast. You read the first few paragraphs, you're like, wow, this guy's fucked up.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And then my friend Sean Ryan did a podcast with him in, like, 2020, and I saw it maybe a year later, I was like, you know, he presented six hours, present all the evidence. It's like, oh, my God.

[Barbara Aldradi]

They don't want you to. They don't want the evidence. See, that's what the grand juries do. So, you know, I always thought the grand jury's, well, of course, you know, you're not going to be indicted. Look at all this evidence. Once they play this statement and that statement, there's no way they're going to indict you. I didn't know.

[Podcast Host]

Well, you don't even get your own lawyer in there.

[Barbara Aldradi]

There's nobody there representing my son. Or you. If you're the person that's up there. It's just the prosecution presenting what they want to present to get the indictment or to not get the indictment.

[Podcast Host]

That's right.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And for people out there that say, oh, so and so must be guilty, they were indicted. No, you. You have to look and see how these indictments play out. They present exactly what they want to present.

[Podcast Host]

Well, this is also my issue, too. I've talked about this over the years so much in different contexts on the podcast. I hate how in society, we've created this incentive for W's and W's meaning a result in a conviction for people on the prosecution side. And specifically what I mean by that is a prosecutor, like I remember Pre Bharara in New York used to run around saying, I'm 88 and O on insider trading cases. And I always think to myself, so there weren't a few guys in there who actually were innocent. You know what I mean? And I would much rather someone say there's 77 and 11 and actual justice was done in all 88 than 88. And oh, but what happens is that stat is then used by someone two rungs ahead of them on a Tuesday in November, you know, a couple years later, to win office and be like my prosecution team did. Blank, blank, blank and blank. And it creates scenarios where people like in your case, your son is used as a. As a little teeny football to these people just in the middle of a bunch of footballs. And yet it's someone's life and, you know, holding their future, their family, their ability to earn a living, like on yes, Feed it the Fire. It's crazy to me.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And that's what they do. They will make an example out of him. So all the other officers will fall in line. And I've spoken to many chiefs and we've done some meetings and meet and greets and things like that. And they all say, I tell my officers, your job is to go home at night. So you take that for whatever you need to take it. But we're not creating safe neighborhoods if you're just gonna sit back as a police officer. Cause you're afraid to do your job because you're afraid to go to jail and lose everything like my son has. I mean, this isn't just affecting him. You know, he's married now. He has small children. So how long has he been married? So he got indicted in May of 2023. He was getting married September of 2023. This has put a damper on all the happy times that he should have had without all this hanging over his head. But thank goodness we are a great. We have a great family. We have great extended family in laws that were able to come together and really just help them through this time. But here we are, three years since the indictment. No pay. He was suspended without pay. Health benefits, we have to pay out of pocket. You know, that's a lot each month. So we're all working together and trying to raise funds. And the Pipe Hitter foundation last year has been a godsend to us. Eddie's foundation and some fundraisers that we have. But. But they have Bills that they have to pay. And that's what they figure. Well, we'll either drag this on until he gets to the point where he's bankrupt and he'll take a plea deal, or maybe he'll just kill himself and then we don't have to worry about it that way. The process is the punishment. So we have to speak up because we started noticing, we knew this was a political motivated indictment, but then we started seeing some things and hearing some things, and I'm like, we have to up our game and we have to start getting letters out and we have to. Whoever would speak to me, I would email, I would message, I would phone call podcasters on Instagram. And then we were able to finally get through the anti hero in.

[Podcast Host]

That's Brent Phillips.

[Barbara Aldradi]

It was, yeah, Tyler and Brent at the time. And now it's Tyler and Mike Dilks, which Mike Dilks is responsible for getting us to Eddie and Andrea, so.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, really?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah.

[Drew Oldradi]

Very cool.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah, we, we're just, we're very grateful to everyone that we've come in contact with that. That help us along the lines, because they look at this and they're. They say the same thing like, how the heck did this happen?

[Podcast Host]

It's also, you know, obviously you want to see this period come to a close and everything. It's. It's been hell and all that, but to see, like, people taking us on and helping it out is cool. And it's. It's cool for me a little bit too, because Eddie and Jim met right here.

[Barbara Aldradi]

That. Yeah, right.

[Podcast Host]

You know what I mean? I even tell Eddie Jim was coming that day. I was like, I got, I got Eddie Gallagher coming in. You should be here.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And now he's a board member.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

10 minutes.

[Podcast Host]

And he's like, within 10 minutes. Jim's like, yeah, I just love to. I'd love to help out however I can. He just shook his hand. All right, great. And then he was serious about it. And now, you know, he can help on the case too, which is really cool.

[Drew Oldradi]

That's great. Getting back to Eddie Gallagher, same thing. I follow Eddie's story, and I didn't even know him at the time. And I was like, man, this dude's a American hero. Going out there doing the job, and he's being brought up for killing terrorists. Yeah, he's brought up for doing his job like my son did his job. You know, I said, that's, you know, I said, you know, this is what he's supposed to do.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

We tell the way that they also Told the story of what happened there. Because that's what I read. It was all wrong. Like. Like it was.

[Barbara Aldradi]

It had to fit their narrative.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah. Like, it was completely. That's not at all what happened. And then you look at it and you're like, but this is what he's paid to do. Like, we send over the special forces to make sure a guy like that dies. You know what I mean? And it's. I don't root for death and war and whatever, but if you're in the middle of a battlefield with a guy belonging to isis, it kind of is what it is. You know, there's not.

[Drew Oldradi]

I'm sure there's more horrific things that happen during wartime.

[Barbara Aldradi]

There's more horrific things that happen in the streets of our cities every single day that it doesn't. Doesn't get broadcast or doesn't get, you know, put in front of a camera and make the nightly news.

[Podcast Host]

But to his credit, also, like, Eddie, he was like, I had no idea how any of this works once you're accused of something like that. And he had to learn the hardest way. He was in, like, the solitary and the brig or something for, like, eight months.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And that's lawyers fees, all that.

[Drew Oldradi]

We try to really screw them over, just like us. We had to educate ourselves.

[Barbara Aldradi]

We did.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Drew Oldradi]

I'm a police officer, but I do it from a different aspect of the job compared to. I'm not a prosecutor, so I don't know how.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Drew Oldradi]

All that. That all works. Right.

[Podcast Host]

You just come.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Well, right.

[Drew Oldradi]

We just come in.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

We.

[Drew Oldradi]

We do all the dirty work. You know what I mean?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Well, like I said, you know when

[Drew Oldradi]

police work isn't pretty.

[Barbara Aldradi]

When we found out this was going to go to a grand jury because they took it out of the local prosecutor's hands to investigate police shootings. They wanted transparency. That's why the Attorney General has the Office of Public Integrity and Accountability. That's what it's called, the office. I know. Integrity. It's funny, right? The opia, that's a chatgpt name, right? Yeah, yeah. But. But we knew, like, all the internals were. This was just procedural because we've had conversations. The shooting response team, the liaison from the Attorney General's office, cleared him to go back to work from their own Attorney General's office.

[Podcast Host]

How long after the shooting was that?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Oh, he was like, two weeks.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, a couple weeks. He was back, good to go.

[Podcast Host]

What was the. That in those two weeks? What was the full process? A couple interviews. What else?

[Drew Oldradi]

Well, they canvassed the area. They. They went to all the ring camera, doorbell ring cameras.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, so they had that too.

[Drew Oldradi]

They went to any other neighbors? All the neighbors, all over family members. A whole process. They put everything together. Like, yeah, shooting justified. There's no issues here.

[Barbara Aldradi]

The representatives from the liaison office and the prosecutor's office from the Attorney General's office and the prosecutor's office basically said, listen, is this tragic? It's tragic someone lost their life. Yes, but there's nothing criminal here. There's no violation of policy and procedures. Even within his own department. This was a clean, justified shoot that they decided that they wanted to make an example of him. And I'm sorry, what was the name

[Podcast Host]

when he was cleared two weeks later? What was the name of the office that actually did that?

[Barbara Aldradi]

The Attorney General's office did all the

[Podcast Host]

way at the top at the Attorney General's office.

[Barbara Aldradi]

The Attorney General's office had turned around and indicted him. That same Attorney general's office.

[Podcast Host]

That's what I'm confused by.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Because we're confused as well.

[Podcast Host]

If it's the highest level of the state, they determine no prosecution. Is there any legality to the precedent of them saying officially on memos like, okay, he's not prosecuted, and then they can come back and say, we change our mind.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So I don't think it was ever. It's not. So way the process works is the shooting response team. This is my understanding. And then you can correct me if I'm wrong.

[Podcast Host]

I'll bet you're right.

[Barbara Aldradi]

The shooting response team comes out, which is the state police shooting response team comes out and they do their investigation along with the Attorney General's office. They do their investigation and then they then hand over their investigation to, I don't know, the top person, I'm assuming the Attorney General. And then they can say, this does not have to go in front of a grand jury. They have their own little stipulation or law. But they put them in front of the grand jury because they want to show that they're being transparent in these situations. Because remember now, this is the. Not the height of the defund the police movement, but 2021 still pretty much in there. So they want to make it transparent that they're not just sweeping these cases under the, under the rug.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, he got a grand jury in 2021 too.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So 2021 was the shooting. The grand jury didn't happen until 2023.

[Podcast Host]

That's what I thought.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right. But so they kept telling him, well, it's got to go in front of the grand jury, you know, just for procedural. There's nothing legality here over those two years, over those 20 months. Right.

[Podcast Host]

Over 20 months to get a grand jury together.

[Barbara Aldradi]

It was covet.

[Podcast Host]

Well, yeah, a lot of people are at home. I mean, come on, that's.

[Drew Oldradi]

Dude, that's.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And then at that time when he was cleared, it was under a different attorney general. And then Matt Plank, the attorney general

[Drew Oldradi]

who said there's nothing wrong here, back to work.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Because if there's anything wrong. Listen, anybody that's in policing, and I'm not talking about public opinion, anybody that's in policing knows if an officer has done something wrong, they're going to take you right off the street. They're going to suspend you with or without pay. You're going to be taken and put on the shelf. You're not going to be given permission to go back to work.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, for another two years. Here we just put this killer back to work. He's so reckless and serve the public. Maybe he'll kill a couple more people

[Barbara Aldradi]

because they charged him with one count of reckless manslaughter. And we heard there was a lot of internal fighting because they couldn't believe. Even the people in the shooting response team and the prosecutor's office, they were all going back forth. Like, what are you. We've already had discussions about this. This is a justified shooting. Tragic, but justify. So when we had to turn him in, the state police refused to walk him from our understanding, refused to walk him into prison because they said, this is just, this is wrong.

[Drew Oldradi]

It's just wrong. You shouldn't be here.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, that's, that's wild that it was that much longer and it took 20 months just to do a grand jury. Because that, that's another thing, like we take for granted when we talk about a lot of different cases, like, oh yeah, the grand jury. But if you ask the average person, they wouldn't even know like how that works. People, most people know how the jury system works. There's 12. It's a trial, they're selected, and then they sit there, listen to the evidence and then they decide. But a grand jury, your defense attorneys don't get to go in there. You don't have any access to what's happening. The prosecutors go in and make whatever case they want. And if they're just a zealot prosecutor, they don't really care about the truth. They're going in there with their facts and it's. Is it like 30 people?

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Something like that.

[Drew Oldradi]

So it was 23, 23 in New Jersey charged.

[Podcast Host]

And it's the same. Is it the same kind of process?

[Drew Oldradi]

No, different process. Majority rules. Whereas, like, you can have one person on a jury say, no, he's not guilty, and it's either a hung jewelry and they have to do it all over, or they just let it go.

[Podcast Host]

You have to take the scale and go like that.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, but in a grand jury, it's majority rules. So it was 12 say, yeah, 11 say, no, 12 get it. Oh, something, something happened here. We have to look into it. And then it's all about the narrative that they want to spin, the story they want to tell. If the, if you want to get indicted, don't indict you. If they don't want to indict you, they won't indict you. Like they say, you can indict a ham sandwich.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Drew Oldradi]

You know, because it's all, you know, they're festering all these lies to fit their narrative.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So when they, when they go in there and to the grand jury, they present just enough evidence, but they don't explain it. They don't tell them that, you know, this officer was cleared, went back to work. They don't. They just give you, like you said, enough. When they blew up the picture that we have with. Oh, see, he wasn't holding the gun. They blew up the shot after they blew up picture.

[Podcast Host]

There's like, he's not holding.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Well, that's not the one they showed

[Drew Oldradi]

the grandchildren, the one before. Yeah, they showed a different picture.

[Barbara Aldradi]

They showed a different picture and they blew it up. And they said, see, he wasn't even pointing the gun at the police officer.

[Podcast Host]

What do we have?

[Barbara Aldradi]

The picture they showed them probably on. I think my husband may have it.

[Podcast Host]

All right, we'll get. See, that's what's crazy. You should be able to, you should be able to have your own Saul Goodman or hopefully someone better than that come in as your defense attorney and be like, yeah, here's a picture five minutes later of the guy holding the gun. This is actually like, when he got

[Barbara Aldradi]

shot, this wasn't an issue because like I said, they, they knew once they did the investigation again, he was, he didn't violate the policy. Yes, somebody's deceased. I get that. But there's. He followed his training there. He did everything he was told to do in his training. If he encountered this situation and what he needed to do and the policy procedures back him.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. So you, like, this is an issue I have with the legal system. There should be something that works both ways here, right? In the sense that if you. If an office sets precedent, reviews a bunch of evidence and determines no charges in the interest of. Of the people's lives at hand, having their lives held in limbo while they're under investigation for something, it should set a precedent similar to like the no double jeopardy thing or something like that, where unless new evidence is. Just my opinion, unless new evidence is presented like legitimately new evidence, that would change what the investigation was. It shouldn't be allowed to be reopened. My. One of my friends, John Kiriakou, he was CIA for 25 years. Serious, serious dude. Ended up being the fall guy for the torture program when he was the one guy who actually argued against it, funny enough. And the way that thing worked was they wanted to make him the fall guy like CIA did when they were fighting with bush towards the end of the administration. So the FBI went to John kiriakou and his attorney and said, we're investigating you for x, y and z. We're letting you know legally. I think they had to tell him for some reason. And a year later they came to him and said, hey, thank you for being professional. I'm sorry, we were just doing our job, no charges, we've closed the case, whatever. There are emails from John Brennan, who's a very bad guy who eventually became the director of CIA. There are emails that John brennan sent the attorney general, Eric holder a couple years later saying, find something on kiriakou. And the attorney general says, already looked at it, case closed, there's nothing. And Brennan's like, fuck you find something. And then they get an investigation. They charge him with 80 crimes. By the time he plea pled to something, they had dropped 77 or 78 of them.

[Barbara Aldradi]

You know, people think that doesn't happen. They think, oh my God, they don't think. And we see that, we see that with president Trump. We see that with another recipient of the pipe hitters, Mike Michael McMahon and his wife Martha. She's award winning, emmy award winning actress, soap opera star. They did the same thing to him. They what was his case? So his case, he was. He was a highly decorated nypd hero police officer. He had an injury, was unable to perform his job anymore, so he became a private investigator. And he was investigating very sought after, very sought after private investigator. And somebody referred him for a case where there was, I think it was a construction company and they had stolen money. So he did whatever he had to do. His background checks, this and that, and he notified the police. He did everything he was supposed to do when he was doing surveillance, and that was in 2016. And then in 2020, they came knocking on his door and the FBI locked him up and they were charging him with interstate stalking and being. I don't know the correct terms, but being involved with basically the ccp.

[Podcast Host]

The ccp.

[Barbara Aldradi]

The ccp, because it was a Chinese based company. And he's like, I did everything that I was correctly doing. He had emails, he had receipts, but the judge wouldn't allow any of that. So he was like the fall guy. And she's. And Martha and I have become very friendly. And she's. To this day, she goes to Washington and she fights. He was found guilty, not on the big charge, but on interstate stalking. So they had to turn him in in July and he served time from July until October. They were able to get him out. And she's been fighting for him. And President Trump gave him a full pardon in November. So she's also brutal to live with

[Podcast Host]

a felony at all. You go to jail for a week, but you're a convicted felon. It makes your life a living hell on a lot of ways.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So she's been working with Representative Lawler and a lot of people in Washington D.C. to get these laws changed because she's like, this is. She has a great book. You have to read her book. It's in the Interest of justice by Martha Byrne. And she goes in how they did exactly what, what you're just talking about. They make it look like, oh, we need a fall guy. This is the bad guy here. Look here, don't look over here. So it's, it's crazy because people think that stuff doesn't happen. Yes, yes, it does. It does. Stop looking at the tell. Live vision, right? The television, it tells a lie. And go put that in chat. GPT, we want that coined. Right? And listen, people have to start using their brains. Nobody's using their brain cells. And we had to start. I'm like, we need to get. I can't. I can't sit back and let them accuse my son and talk all this shit on him that he did this and this when A, he was totally protected by what he did under the guidelines, and B, Mr. Sharp has a very interesting horrific past that has led him to that interaction that night with my son. Yep, tragic.

[Podcast Host]

Let's actually talk about that because he's got a long backstory with a lot of different things that are tragic as it. As it turned out and all that. But we're talking about a guy who at one point drew you were telling me off camera he was. He was military police with the air force or something.

[Drew Oldradi]

Military police with the air force?

[Podcast Host]

What does that even mean, military police with the air force?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Who knows?

[Drew Oldradi]

Probably some kind of security guard.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Oh, I know. Is he probably suffering.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

No.

[Drew Oldradi]

Post traumatic stress being a. The military police with the air force.

[Podcast Host]

But either way, like this is a guy who at least started with the military and then he's on like a law enforcement side of the military as well. So like he knows the type of side in some way that your son does.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And yet ironically, according to his family and even some of the police officers, he was very friendly. He was police friendly. Like he. One of his friends who he served with in the military was also a Mantua police officer who had retired. So when his family was notified, they're like, what do you mean? Like when they found out it was a police officer because they all thought he committed suicide when they were first notified because they weren't told exactly what happened, but they were like, he finally did it. Oh my gosh. I know he's reckless right now, you know, did he do it? Everyone thought he had either, you know, well, think they thought he committed suicide. They weren't sure how, but they knew he was on a lot of drugs and alcohol and prescription medication.

[Podcast Host]

And you were telling me he had something like 29 rehab stents that somewhat. You were even telling me, Drew, there was like a hundred potential attempted suicides that are on record.

[Barbara Aldradi]

I don't know.

[Drew Oldradi]

I don't know if they're all on record, but according to exact X. Yeah, she has a journal.

[Barbara Aldradi]

She said multiple.

[Drew Oldradi]

And there's multiple times she. She names a bunch of. And it's in her statement.

[Podcast Host]

And she's been helpful in this.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Well, she was helpful. She did. She. She wasn't one of the. The people that was sought out by police to question. She had reached out when she found out she had reached out to her friend who knew a Mantua police officer and said, I need to speak with somebody. I know he did this. This. So they put. This is the ex wife. They put her in contact with the detectives at the. From the attorney general's office. And right when it happened the day after. Yeah, the day after. The day or two after.

[Podcast Host]

Gave these statements like.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And she said, she said, listen, you know, I spoke with him over the weekend and we have her statement that we can play. She said, I know he did this. I feel horrible for this police officer. And then she goes on and explains, you know, his battles with depression and Suicidal ideation and suicidal attempts and in and out of rehab and detox centers and just she goes on and on and on.

[Podcast Host]

What happened to him? Because this was a guy who was in the Air Force, seemed to have like, you know, upstanding citizen kind of thing, life in order, and then at some point something goes wrong.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Do we know anything about that? He suffered from depression. They said he suffered, he had PTSD depression. He was an alcoholic for many years. Got cleaned and then when his parents passed away, it kind of, I think, set him back on that track, you know, of depression. And his wife, ex, wife always said he was always known to be an alcoholic, but recently she said he, she wouldn't rule out drugs because he's made comments to the neighbor that he was going to go by meth. Cocaine was his drug of choice. They found drug paraphernalia in the house when they searched it.

[Podcast Host]

And what about his toxicology report?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Oh, high levels off the half. Cocaine off the chart.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You're intimidating me. You got the whole. I feel like you're the attorney here.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Well, you know, listen, I, I have

[Drew Oldradi]

to do our homework.

[Barbara Aldradi]

That's right. I have to.

[Podcast Host]

I love that. You got nothing. And we got the full case

[Drew Oldradi]

here.

[Barbara Aldradi]

We have a whole team. Like, it's like I got, I, I, I, we have a whole team.

[Drew Oldradi]

My, my old partner, Jimmy Green. A lot of credit to him for doing a lot of work that he does. He's like this savvy type detective.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So we have a psychology report. This is, it's dated July 18, 2025. Is that just because.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So we have the original, the original toxicology report that we, that was done that evening. Apparently the gentleman that did the original toxicology report started to work for the Attorney General's office and was no longer allowed to speak with us. So we had to go get our own toxicologist, a new expert to look at the, his toxicology report, which this gentleman, our new gentleman states, basically, they left out a whole bunch of other information. They left out that they, that his, the levels were actually a lot higher. Okay. And in the, in the, I have it right here in the original. So he would, I have so much stuff, so I apologize.

[Podcast Host]

No, you're good. The, just the basic background. Who's 49 years old, 5, 10, weighed 189. And so this is the original toxicology.

[Barbara Aldradi]

No, this is the new expert. The original one is right here on my phone and I can send that to you.

[Podcast Host]

No, what I'm saying is before I

[Barbara Aldradi]

get to, Is that The original guy.

[Podcast Host]

Listing the original.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Okay. Yes.

[Podcast Host]

So let's do that.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Okay.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

Okay.

[Barbara Aldradi]

I didn't know. Go ahead.

[Podcast Host]

So, October 8, 2021, the laboratory, the original one, a few weeks after the shooting, reported the following for Mr. Sharp. Benzoline at 0.221 milligrams per liter. Alprazolam at 0.092 milligrams per liter. What are those two things?

[Barbara Aldradi]

He's a nurse. So he can tell me you're a nurse. He's also a nurse, too. I forgot to tell you, he didn't

[Podcast Host]

wear the nurse hat in here.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, I could.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, but what are those two things? I'm unfamiliar with those benzos. Oh, that's benzos right there. I know. Benzodiazepine. That's what it's usually called. But this is another Xanax. This is another kind.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So he had prescription drugs in his system as well as illegal drugs.

[Podcast Host]

And then he had amphetamine and methamphetamine at 0.1. And this is the original reporting 0.125 milligrams per liter. Amphetamine, 5.093 milligrams. Milligrams per liter methamphetamine. Okay, now let's get to what.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So while you're looking for that, the original toxicology report from November, the medical examiner's reports, his notes were then. This man was apparently suffering from psychotic illness and perhaps post traumatic stress disorder. He may have also been suffering from drug intoxication. And preliminary drug screen performed at the autopsy was positive for methamphetamine, amphetamine and cocaine. The man was shot by a police officer because he came. God bless you, at the police with the gun. We do not know if the. If he shot his gun, but he had the gun in his hand and pointed at the officers. The shots fired by the police officer resulted in fragmentation of the gun. He apparently had the gun in his right hand. It is believed he also had the cell phone in his left hand. But the actual report goes into the. Where the bullet struck. And it talks about, like, the thumb and the gun. So we know how many shots were fired. There was 13 fired altogether, but 10 struck.

[Podcast Host]

Mr. Sharp, were they all fired from cell.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, got it. So either way, though, because I'm also reading through this while you're putting that the methamphetamine levels are off. Off the charts.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Off the charts.

[Podcast Host]

Like, that's because I'm not a doctor. If that wasn't painfully clear. But just reading the analysis here, it's Basically I just saw something. Now I lost it. A 9 milligram oral dose of methamphetamine produces blood concentrations that average 0.02 milligrams per liter. This guy had reported anywhere between. What was it? Hold on, 2.6 to 5.09. So that's enormous factors. 125 milligrams is high. Well, that would be the 0.125. So he's at 0.5. Yeah, that's like 5. He's feeling it. He's feeling it for sure. Okay, so the original report though didn't have as some of the numbers were lower than what they actually, we, I

[Barbara Aldradi]

don't know if we have that report because it could be in. Well, I have the results of it here. They're right there. But I think from what our understanding is this new medical examiner that came in, our expert medical examiner, put more detail into the report. So the other report wasn't helpful to Mr. Sharp, but this report is even more.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, let me read this paragraph right here because this is really good context for all, all us non medical people out here.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

Benzo. Zoe, Ligonine, which I guess as you said, deep is related to the benzos I'm thinking of, is a breakdown product of cocaine that occurs without biological activity and in fact can occur after the specimen is collected. The fact that Mr. Sharp had only the breakdown product and no cocaine indicates that Mr. Sharp's use of cocaine was probably an hour or more before his death. Since cocaine has a half life of about an hour. Cocaine is a half. Wow. That's why it's so expensive.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Oh,

[Podcast Host]

okay. So, and, and how did you get connected with the new guy?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Our lawyer. We had a, our lawyer had to find a new toxicologist. All right, so it was our lawyer who reached out to this one. However, whether he has it on a Rolodex, who knows. But we, we look for people that are highly trained. We want the experts because we have to get him cleared. So we can't have some half assed toxicologist. You know, we need, we need someone that's going to be very thorough in their job.

[Podcast Host]

Now what's the scenario, Drew, with when once a shoot is happening and your job is to neutralize the subject, hopefully it doesn't die. But that's totally out of your control at that point. It kind of is what it is. It's happening very quickly. You're firing shots, 13 shots at a suspect. Is that standard in your experience, like seeing 10 to 15 type shots fire

[Drew Oldradi]

at someone oh, yeah, you can fire more than that. I've seen old shootings a lot more. You know, it depends. I mean, what's the resistance? The guy's in control of a firearm, your engagement goes down. Still, control of a firearm still could kill you from the ground. You know, drop the gun, refusing to drop the weapon. Happen you engage him again, you know, as usual, as you're moving closer and he reaches for the gun again. Yeah, you could shoot him again.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Barbara Aldradi]

You know, until you neutralize the threat.

[Drew Oldradi]

I mean, you have to. You have to. Yeah, neutralize the threat before you could do anything. And you have to remember this is still a hot job because they said that there was, like, several people breaking in, so you're still looking for other people. So once he's shot, you have to secure the back and the rear, the front and the rear of the property, and you have to go from there.

[Podcast Host]

Were there any reports at any point the first guy was his name again

[Barbara Aldradi]

Lampley or Corporal Layton?

[Podcast Host]

Corporal, lately. Layton. So did he have any intelligence upon at first coming up there to think that there were other people there or was it just an unknown at that point? Like there could be, but we don't know.

[Drew Oldradi]

No, they came out. There was a. A white male, a black male, and a female.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Possible female.

[Drew Oldradi]

So there's three people they're looking for. So the first person they engage is a white male.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Drew Oldradi]

No one ever said, hey, this is the homeowner, or whatever. And even if it was, it wouldn't have changed anything.

[Barbara Aldradi]

You have to listen to that. The 911 call, really, we can break. When we listen to it, we'll break that down, because that's key. Because he says, they ask him, did you see the weapon? He says, oh, yes, I saw it. It's shown off the moonlight. But all the officers know because they don't have the mobile data terminals in their cars, so they know they're responding to a scene with an active burglary in progress. One male or one suspect is armed. So they're already pulling up to a scene with heightened awareness, knowing that this suspect is armed. And I think we focus so much on Salvatore, but we don't look at the fact that when the corporal is first pulls up, that man's pointing a gun right at his head.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So, you know, he's trying to get his gun, and he says, drop the gun. He says, and he doesn't drop the gun. He proceeds to then continue to turn and walk towards the police or turn his body towards the police. Where then? My son encounters him just seconds later. And the corporal is saying, he's got a gun. And he said, I made sure. And you'll see it from the body can. It's very quick. He pops up, up pops back and engages him. Because that's what he's trained to do.

[Podcast Host]

And we'll. We'll have that, too. And by the way, people, if there's some videos that you guys don't see that we're reacting to, it's because we can't show it on the screen for YouTube. But, Dee, you pulled up something here. You don't have your mic with you, by the way, but can you just tell me what. What we're looking at right here.

[Drew Oldradi]

This is the 911 call.

[Podcast Host]

Wait, this is the actual not.

[Barbara Aldradi]

It goes from the 911 call right into the body cam footage.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so we'll have this where we don't. People on the screen don't see it. Yeah. But let's take a look at this, and I'll kind of describe to people what I'm seeing. And we'll have some volume on it. Let's roll. So this is

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

91 1. Where's your emergency? Two intruders in the back of my yard.

[Podcast Host]

Who's talking this sharp?

[Drew Oldradi]

That's your.

[Barbara Aldradi]

It's sharp.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Are you off Elm Avenue? Yeah. One of them had a gun for short. Okay, and your phone numbers?

[Podcast Host]

So he's reporting intruders.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

How many were firecracker with to get him to go, but they keep coming back. Like, look under the fence. Okay, hold on for the police when I transfer.

[Drew Oldradi]

You.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Transfer on Elm Avenue in Mantua. Phone numbers. Caller reported intruders on the property, and he believes one of them had a gun. Hello? One of them definitely had a gun. I saw him. What's your address? 5757 Elm Ave.257. 257. Yeah, I mean, I. I came out and I lit off a quarter stick to scare him away, but they came back. Okay, how many people were there? Two. You're on Elm, not West Elm, right? Okay, how many were there? You said two. Two that I saw. And then as I came back, there was a woman. So he said, I got a description of the individuals. I'm gonna say the one guy, he looked up to me. Maybe in his mid-60s. Yeah, white males, black males, Hispanic males. White, white. Long, like, thinning hair. The other guy was a black guy. So one white male, one black man? Yeah. Another girl. I really couldn't get a look. She was behind the fence. What were they doing? Well, when I looked at my window, the one guy was in my shed getting my shed door open. And then I came around to go outside to confront him and there was a guy in my truck trying to get it open. Okay, hang on one second or where are they at now? It almost look like somebody. He's in my truck. Okay. 257 Elm Avenue. 257 LM and nine one phone call. Cars advising two subjects on his property. One male was trying to get into his shed. One man possibly in his truck. Now he advised that one may have everybody going to have to. I don't know if he's tight.

[Podcast Host]

Keep pauses.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

I have something my grand.

[Podcast Host]

Do we hear, do we end up hearing the confrontation?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And right now he's saying that the guy's in my truck, but I'm going in my house. Well, if the guy's in your truck and you're standing there. Right. So he said he threw quarter sticks of dynamite to scare him off, but they keep coming back.

[Podcast Host]

So quarter sticks of dynamite in Mantua. How close is this to like dippies?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Well, I don't know how close it is to Dippy's but it's literally like three blocks from the two or three blocks from the actual police station in the municipal building.

[Podcast Host]

It's close. It's dangerous close.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah, it's very close.

[Podcast Host]

Been on the street many times in my life.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Okay, so he's just back it up just a little bit because this is where he talks about what his grandfather willed him.

[Podcast Host]

Did. Did he did. Do we end up hearing any of the police officer radio on this as well?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so it's all on this video. That's what, that's what I want. Okay, go ahead.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Two subjects on his property. One male was trying to get into his shed. One man possibly in his truck. Now he lies that one may have everybody going to have to. I don't know if these guys. I mean I have something my grandfather passed down to me. I don't know how legal it is in a will. What's your name? Charles Sharp. Charles Sharp, yeah. Phone number.

[Podcast Host]

So he mentions this gun.

[Barbara Aldradi]

He mentions it again too.

[Podcast Host]

So now he's on the phone with the cop at this point and they're gonna send someone out now, basically.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So he's also talking when they want

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

to know the weapon.

[Barbara Aldradi]

They're talking to confirm the weapon.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

I mean it was, it was silver. The moonlight came off of it and I, I knew it. I, I don't know what type way of Was. But it was a handgun. Okay. Did you see it, though? Yes, sir. Caller said he tried to make contact with the individuals and saw the. Hang on. So then I, I went back in the house. I. Like I said, my grandfather willed me a.45. I don't know what, what I'm allowed to do or do without that. So I just. I threw a couple quarter sticks at him.

[Podcast Host]

You did what?

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Maybe that's not the profession.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So listen, here it is here. They did.

[Drew Oldradi]

They did.

[Podcast Host]

So he really threw it. Is that the first.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Hear him say, put the gun down and speed up.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Are you talking with my officers?

[Podcast Host]

So he's got the guns.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Said he's got a handgun on.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

I copy that.

[Podcast Host]

Was all the shots?

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah,

[Barbara Aldradi]

I'll say don't read as my

[Drew Oldradi]

son's moving up when we still reach down for the gun and salvage, saying, don't reach.

[Podcast Host]

No more shots, though. That was 13 shots.

[Barbara Aldradi]

It's quick.

[Drew Oldradi]

Okay. Milliseconds is quick.

[Podcast Host]

When you're. When you're at a range and you're shooting and you have on headgear and everything or ear gear, you feel every shot because you're doing it. And you're also. You don't have all the noise and reverberation. So I guess I think from my own experience doing that, like, you're more hyper aware of when each round goes off. But I'll bet if I go back and look at some videos of me shooting, I'd be like, wait, that was 15.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Well, they say that, they said when people are. When police officers are in, that they might say, I shot six times and it might have been 22 times. When witnesses are. How many shots did you hear? Oh, I heard three or four, and it was 14. So that perception is off because you're

[Drew Oldradi]

not well, your adrenaline's pumping too, right. You know, you're not really. You have tunnel vision. You know, all of a sudden everything's open and now it's here, right? You're just like, I don't know.

[Podcast Host]

And they happen to have the whole thing on the actual 911 call too, which is wild. All right, let's play this deep. And again, we can't show the. This part on screen, but let's just play this so we can see. So this is your son's body cam, right?

[Barbara Aldradi]

So, yeah, so he, they. And they cut the body cam. He first pulls up and you'll see, like he starts to get out of the car because he sees, he. Yeah, he sees his corporal slowing down. Then he sees the Corporal taking off. So then he gets back in the car because they said, oh, he pulled up within five seconds, he shot him. But you have to take the time from the actual corporal.

[Drew Oldradi]

Corporalization.

[Barbara Aldradi]

The corporal on location.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, let's play it thief. Okay, so he's getting out where? Done. Shots are done. Immediately report shots fired. So now he's moving towards.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And you'll watch he does life.

[Podcast Host]

Don't reach, don't reach. So was he still moving a little bit?

[Drew Oldradi]

He's moving. He's reaching out for the gun.

[Podcast Host]

Got a handgun.

[Barbara Aldradi]

My son stays so calm.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Watch.

[Podcast Host]

He's got a gun on him. He's got a gun on him.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right there, right there.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so there's two other guys. What, did he just kick the gun? So he's going to get medical equipment now? I don't know. The guy came up, we need a gun. When. When is the gun? I thought he's gonna shoot me, dude. Putting on medical gloves to get ready to go in there. The other two cops are just standing

[Barbara Aldradi]

by the body because they're trying to.

[Drew Oldradi]

Now they woke up to security officer saying, hey, there's two more people.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so the rest of it is he goes up and he goes on,

[Barbara Aldradi]

puts the chest seals on him and he's. And my son does CPR while the other officers secure the scene.

[Podcast Host]

Because that. It's the actual part is not did. By the way, whatever came of the three people he reported, it was all bullshit.

[Barbara Aldradi]

It was all fictitious. There was nobody.

[Podcast Host]

He was seeing it in his head.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So there was nobody broke breaking into his shed. His shed had a padlock on it,

[Drew Oldradi]

which is biggest lock you ever saw.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah, ex wife said very big lock. Right. And his car was. He couldn't drive his car unless he blew into the machine for the breathalyzer. Because he had DUIs.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Barbara Aldradi]

He was in a prior accident, I think earlier that day, that Monday morning, afternoon. He had hit like a mirror. So he was really upset about that, according to his family. But he, you know, he was. Had a lot of demons. And it's tragic. It's tragic. And I feel for the family because they've lost, you know, this son lost his father, they've lost a loved one, a brother, you know, a friend. But now you've involved our family because you didn't have the nerve to do it yourself the other 15 times. Because we do believe this was suicide by police. You're making a fictitious phone call. According to the neighbors, they were hearing the quarter sticks of dynamite going off the young neighbor across the street thought they were gunshots. Yeah, I can't believe he took his family. Yeah, I have all their testimonies right here and all their reports. You know, he said he spoke with Mr. Sharp and he saw the weapons. And Mr. Sharp said, you know, they're breaking in. He said, I'm going to put, excuse my language, I'm going to put a motherfucker down tonight. And, you know, the neighbor across the street said, let the police handle it. He took his family and he woke his mom up and said, we got to get in the basement. He's firing off shots like, I'm afraid they're going to come through the window, you know. And again, when the sister finds out, brother finds out, he says, you know, I know he's reckless right now, but did he do it? They all believe when they were notified that he committed suicide.

[Podcast Host]

Right. All right, real quick, I gotta go to the bathroom, but I want to go through like the timeline of, of Sharp's whole background, everything and you know, when he left his wife and all that when we get back. So we'll be right back. All right, we're back. So before I get to the recorded call that Sharp's ex wife had with the detectives, because there's some context in that people should have that was really helpful. What do we know how long they had been divorced, how many kids he had and did. I imagine we're gonna hear some of

[Barbara Aldradi]

in the call, but detail what went wrong. She does, she does say that they were due to get married back in 2010 when her son was just an infant, but he slit his wrists and was going to commit suicide. Well, tried to commit suicide. His friend took him to the hospital, she called it off, but then eventually did wind up, up marrying him.

[Podcast Host]

How long were they married?

[Barbara Aldradi]

So they. Well, this shooting took place in 2021. I think they divorced a couple of years prior to that. So they were divorced. But like she says, we are on very friendly terms.

[Podcast Host]

Does she live in Mantua too?

[Barbara Aldradi]

She lives, I think close to Mantua.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Surround Westville or surrounding city. So they had a very. She said, we had an applicable relationship. You know, they shared their son. But she said, you know, she basically says, I know he did this. And then she goes on to explain why.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so let's play the first part of that thief so we get some context here. We're not going to play the full 18 minute call for people out there, but it's publicly available.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So if you go on YouTube, you can get the 911 call and the body cam footage and the. No, her. Her.

[Podcast Host]

Hers is not.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Hers is not. It's just from a former least. Hello?

[Podcast Host]

Hi, is this.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

It is speaking.

[Podcast Host]

Hi, this is.

[Drew Oldradi]

I also have.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Hi, how are you?

[Drew Oldradi]

Yes, I also am here with.

[Barbara Aldradi]

I'm with the Attorney General's office. We blanked out there. How are you? I'm good. How are you?

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, first of all, sorry for your loss.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

Thank you.

[Drew Oldradi]

I know you're aware of.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

Unfortunately, I am aware now.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Okay.

[Drew Oldradi]

So we were told that you wanted to speak to us, and we're more than happy to.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

Well, I just have questions. I mean, listen, we're divorced. You know, it's civil. It was fine. It is what it is. But, you know, I know he did this. Like, I know he did this on purpose. That poor cop. I feel for him. For the love of God, I want to give him a giant hug because he's going to have to live with what. Whatever happened. Which I don't know what happened, but I'm assuming whatever happened, happened. And I. I just. I just. If you can tell him that for real, like, I'm very sorry.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, we'll get.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

Sorry.

[Drew Oldradi]

We'll definitely communicate that, if you don't mind. Ms. Burgo, do you mind if I go through some things?

[Podcast Host]

Can I just get your date of birth?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Okay.

[Drew Oldradi]

And what's your current address? So I just want to get some background.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And then.

[Drew Oldradi]

And then I appreciate your honesty and talking to us.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

Whatever you want.

[Drew Oldradi]

So when did you guys get married? Or when did you guys make meet back then?

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

Oh, my God. We were been. We were together in 2002. That's when we got together, but we didn't get married until 2012, when my son was three. We're supposed to get married prior to that, but I called it off because he had, like, a nervous breakdown and tried to kill himself.

[Drew Oldradi]

All right, what year was that?

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

2012. August of 2010. I was supposed to get married and I called it off. We did wind up getting married, though. But like an idiot I am, you

[Drew Oldradi]

know, can't look back on the past, you know, what's. So he attempted suicide, you said.

[Podcast Host]

How do you. How do you try that?

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

I can't. There's so many times I can't even. He slit his wrists. He. I mean, he's tried to hurt himself a million times. He's tried to drink himself to death. Death. I mean, I'll be honest. Drugs were never his thing, but in, like, the last couple of months, I would think that that is a thing. I mean, I have Video of him telling me. Like a recording of him telling me he's a drug addict now. Like, he was all.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so she just said they're recording of. Of him being a drug addict. Sorry, I was talking over that. But in. In the last couple months. Does she at any point did. Because I don't know if we'll get to it. On the actual call, does she address whether or not she had gone to the courts to seek full custody of her kids?

[Barbara Aldradi]

No, she never mentioned, from my understanding, he had. They shared custody or she had visitations. Because at one point in the video, she does say, and it was just that prior weekend. So this happened early Tuesday morning. She spoke with him on Monday, but she dropped her son off that Friday. He had a sleepover that Saturday, and she picked him up for soccer. But she talks about. He sounds. You know, he sounded very different than his normal self. She said he wasn't right in his head. She said that the son and her had code words. So whenever he was there, if something happened, they would have different code words. Whether. So she would know to come and get him and. Or if she needed to bring the

[Podcast Host]

police, like, via text or something like that.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah, via text.

[Drew Oldradi]

Next.

[Podcast Host]

He was unstable, because that's okay.

[Drew Oldradi]

So there.

[Podcast Host]

She's aware. She's got a system in place with her son and everything, and obviously it is his father, and she's civil with him and had a good relationship, but it is also not her fault that he has some demons and issues. I just. You know.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And by the way, just so for the record, the Attorney General has everything that we're presenting to you. This is all part of discovery. They have these statements, which is why they did not charge Salvatore.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it's a while.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Because, you know, for multiple reasons, they didn't charge him. But they have all this. But they didn't present any of this to the grand jury, of course.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, you play the first 30 seconds of that phone call, and I

[Barbara Aldradi]

have to say, I give her a lot of credit because she did the right thing. She did what she was supposed to do. She knew that he was unstable, he was suicidal, and, you know, you can't do it yourself. So what's the best way to do it? Right? Suicide by police, which happens a lot.

[Podcast Host]

So, though I understand that this is the father of her son, and, like, she gets along with him and everything, I am. As a side note, I'm. I am a little surprised that her knowing stuff like this, at least in the months leading up to what ended up happening. That she didn't. Instead of just having code words with her kid, she didn't try to, like, take full custody? I mean, I. I mean, who am I to.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right. We don't know the situation. Right.

[Podcast Host]

That's. That's a tough spot to be in.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Well, then. And she did turn around and sue civilly and was awarded money. That's a whole nother. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

What do you mean, sue civilly?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Once Salvatore was indicted, they had a civil suit. She filed a civil suit on behalf of her son for wrongful death.

[Podcast Host]

Against Sal.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Against Sal in the township. And she was awarded, I think, $450,000 a year ago January.

[Drew Oldradi]

No fault.

[Barbara Aldradi]

They considered it no fault. And when they heard that we had this, they're like, oh, my gosh, how long have you had this? I'm like, well, the question is, why didn't you have it? Why didn't your lawyers go out and. And do. This is just a small. This is just a small drop in a bucket that.

[Drew Oldradi]

That attorney said we were paying more in the attorney fees than what the civil suit was worth.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

So let's keep this going.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

Oh, messed up, obviously, that he's a drug addict and he's dealing drugs and this and that, which I don't really think he was. He was just a mess. But he, you know, he got a dui. He was in Camden. Coming from Camden. Like, I. I mean, yes, his whole family will tell you he had a drinking problem, which he did. But it's not. It's not just drinking. He definitely was doing drugs.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah. So you guys are kind of putting two and two together.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

Yeah, if I had. I can only imagine, honestly. I mean, I could give you my own personal theory, but it's awful.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Yeah.

[Drew Oldradi]

I'm sorry you had to go through that. So when did you guys get divorced?

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

We got divorced four years ago this week.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Oh, wow.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

But I mean, I had to ask him to leave because he was drunk all the time, and I would come home and he'd be passed out on the front lawn. I had a three year old. You know what I mean? It was like Story Girls. I couldn't have that. So, I mean, I gave him a place to live and just. I don't know. And then, like, his dad got real sick and died. And after that, he really hasn't been the same, to be honest with you,

[Drew Oldradi]

whether his father passed away two years

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

ago and then his mom died a year later, so that didn't help. And, you know, I know you guys are talking to his sister. They're they're vultures. Like, they're. I mean, he just got an inheritance from his mom, a lot of money. And listen, I don't care about the money, but it's my son's money. It's not theirs.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Drew Oldradi]

Does he have any other children

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

and

[Drew Oldradi]

your son lives with you, obviously?

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

Yes. I mean, I even. Honestly, I have a notebook of, like, from 2000, 2015 till now of, like, every time that I know that he was in rehab. I can't imagine how many times other. That I don't even know about. But last year alone, from February to December, between hospital detox and rehab, it

[Barbara Aldradi]

was 21 times from February to December of last year.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, wow. What do you think?

[Drew Oldradi]

So. So from 02 to basically 2010, about.

[Podcast Host]

Things are going well.

[Drew Oldradi]

What do you think, Trip, that, you know, alarm that.

[Podcast Host]

That made him, you know, depression.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

Like, when. After I had the baby, like, he got really depressed, and I was away for the weekend with my son, and he called me and told me he hurt himself. We weren't married yet. And so I left my baby, who was not even a year old, with my parents, and I flew home. I was in the Poconos. I have a home. My parents. I don't have. My parents have a home in focus. And I drove home. I mean, I called his friend, and he. He came here because I. I was three hours away.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Okay.

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

And he. He told me it was like, a crime scene, and that I said, just put. Just wrap his wrist, put him in the hospital and take him to the hospital. That's all you got to do. Just drop him off. And I said. And I said, none of that. I said, do not. Because back then, Kennedy had a detox. Like, a detox. And I. And it's like. Or. I mean, I know Underwood hat or spear or whatever had it been. But, like, he had been in and out of there several times that, like, I was like, he needs to go there. So he drove him there and then came home and, like, cleaned up my whole house. But when I got home, like, I mean, I had to throw out all my carpets. Like, it was bad.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Oh, wow.

[Podcast Host]

When.

[Drew Oldradi]

Real quick, before I forget, what's your son's name?

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

Yeah.

[Barbara Aldradi]

When was the last time you actually spoke to him? During the. Directly over the phone or in person?

[Detective or Attorney General's Office Representative]

In person on Friday when he was here. And I talked to him all weekend. My son actually slept there on Friday because he's been doing okay. Had I. You know, whatever, because he can't really drive. I mean, he had a DUI So he has the machine in his car. So he came and got him.

[Podcast Host]

All right, so a lot of details there. I'm, like, surprised with this phone call because, like, again, in criminal court, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. My friend Mike Spear, if you ever see the billboards in Philly, ran Spear and Mike Spear. So he's always like, in civil court, all I gotta do is just push my finger a little bit on one side and they can find it however they want. But I'm surprised with something like this existing. I don't know if that was brought up in civil court.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Like, no, they didn't. They didn't. They just. They just decide. Yeah, and that's what we're finding. Like, we're looking around, and I'm like, what about this? What about this? And then the lawyers and we have a. We love our lawyer. And he'll say things like, well, that's what trials for. I'm like, well, why do we have to go to trial if we can prove, you know, beyond a reasonable doubt right now that this happened? So we had tried to file motion for dismissal in December 2023 based on no prima facie. Right. There's. He followed. There was no violation of policy procedure. And when we went to that hearing, the judge basically said, nope, you're not going to be allowed to argue this, this and this. You can argue this. And I said to the lawyer, because we. I don't want to argue that. That's not going to get this case thrown out. It's. I think it's all political. You know, who wants to throw out a case where a police officer killed somebody? Because then, I mean, I'm assuming this is just my opinion. I don't know. Reason.

[Podcast Host]

So it was a different. It was a different attorney general in 2023 when they filed the charges than it had been in 2021.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Correct. 2021. It was the Grubar Gruel.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. And who was the AG in 2023?

[Barbara Aldradi]

2023 was Matt Plankton. Came in.

[Podcast Host]

All right, so was your son given a heads up that the grand jury was even happening?

[Barbara Aldradi]

He was. They were told that it was finally coming to the grand jury, but not to worry about because people have spoken and they've all talked about this, and they said this case was not indictable, that this was just going through, like, a preliminary, just going through the motions to present it, and that they had nothing to worry about.

[Podcast Host]

Did he? I mean, I definitely would have been. Was he like, well, what the fuck? They already cleared Me, two years ago.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Why did he listen? He. This has been a nightmare because, you know, even he went back to work, but he's still, you know, no police officer wants to take somebody's life that affects them wholeheartedly and be so young when that happened. That affected him tremendously.

[Podcast Host]

Did he have PTSD from it?

[Barbara Aldradi]

I'm sure he did. But he still was able to function, to get up and do his job and still do everything he needed to do.

[Podcast Host]

Did you see a therapist as well?

[Barbara Aldradi]

He had to go through all that clearance before he was able to go back to work.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Got it.

[Barbara Aldradi]

He was able to go back to work and do all that. So, you know, it did weighed on him. You know, my son is a very kind hearted person. Now he's a police officer and he does his job, but he's not one. He's not, excuse my language, an asshole. He's not like, he's not one of those asshole cops, right? And you know, people may beg to differ. My son did his job. People didn't like that. He did his job. He did his job. He didn't shy away from a situation like, oh, I'm not going to do that. You know, he wasn't a wuss. He did what he had to do, what he had to do to protect the community. He would take guns off of people. He's been in situations where he's had to remove guns or people have had guns. He's never withdrew in his gun and

[Podcast Host]

he never had to fire.

[Barbara Aldradi]

No, never had a fire.

[Podcast Host]

So this was the first time.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And he worked in Camden where all that stuff was going on.

[Podcast Host]

So had he had to draw his weapon sometimes in Camden?

[Barbara Aldradi]

I'm not really sure.

[Drew Oldradi]

I don't know. I'm sure, I'm sure he drew his weapon in Mancha, but he never had to shoot it. No, I mean, that's felt threatened enough for him.

[Podcast Host]

Right?

[Barbara Aldradi]

That's, you know, that's their tool. People talk about police. Well, that's their tool. They have a gun for a reason. And it takes. It's longer time for action than it is reaction. Right? So a lot of officers have their guns out, ready to go, because by the time they get in and reach it, you're dead. And you could talk to many families who've lost their police officer family and friends because they didn't act quick enough or something happened quicker than they could react. So, you know, I guess it's better to be judged by 12 than, you know, carried by six, you know, so, you know, I mean, it's awful for either way that we have to go through this. But now we have a new attorney general in place. We're hearing wonderful things about her. Our lawyer has submitted paperwork to have her to look at this case. So we're hoping she will look at this case, look at the details, and she will follow the rule of law because there's nothing criminal here. He did not break any law.

[Podcast Host]

Before we get there though, even it's been what, over three years?

[Barbara Aldradi]

It'll be three years next month.

[Podcast Host]

May 23, since he was first charged. After the grand jury said, yeah, you can bring charges. He was charged with second degree reckless manslaughter. Is that right?

[Barbara Aldradi]

One count?

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So there's first degree homicide, second degree homicide, third degree homicide, first degree manslaughter, second degree manslaughter, third degree manslaughter. This is reckless, man. So what's the difference? Like, what's the.

[Drew Oldradi]

It doesn't even fit. It doesn't even. This is a while. We'll charge him with this reckless manslaughter. What was reckless about the job? Tell me what was reckless? He filed the policy and procedure. You're pointing a gun at police. Police, I shoot you. There's nothing reckless about that. I didn't shoot some old lady looking out the door down the street. You know, there's nothing reckless. But that was the only thing they could charge him with. Let's throw this. Let's throw at the wall and see what sticks.

[Podcast Host]

Did you guys have caught like any conversations? I don't know it well, if you would have been in there. But what was there ever any point in the three years since then? Because I want to get to that process this where there were hearings and then there's judges chambers conversations or something between the prosecutor, previous prosecutors and your lawyer. And what did they say about this back there?

[Drew Oldradi]

If so, so for three years this case been going on. There's been zero movement with this case. And there are chamber meetings all the time and comes out, oh, you know, nothing really significant.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah, they. They had. So I'll take you back. So the day that he was indicted, like I said, we were waiting for the phone call that this was all wrapped up in a nice little bow because we were getting ready to have the bridal shower and have him move on with his life. I'm finishing up the day at work and he calls me and he says, you have to get home. They just indicted Salvatore.

[Podcast Host]

And what month is this?

[Barbara Aldradi]

This is May, May 23rd of 2023.

[Drew Oldradi]

Call from our brother in Law. Who's it? My brother calls him and he says, hey. He said, yo, they just indicted Sal. I said, just indictment. For what? He said, for that shooting. I said, I know the shooting, but I'm saying, for what? I don't know. I said, for doing his job. They indicted him for doing his job. For somebody pointing a gun at you. That's fucking stupid.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Drew Oldradi]

He said, well, we have two hours to get him to the prison.

[Podcast Host]

Prison. I was like, prison?

[Barbara Aldradi]

We had to turn him in county jail.

[Drew Oldradi]

So we have to go from. So I call her. I saw meet you at Salvi's and I drive over to, to where he lives. And then we have to drive to the lawyer's office, talk with the lawyer.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Lawyer.

[Drew Oldradi]

He don't know, like, you know, he got indicted. We'll have to see what's going on. And then from there the lawyer has to take him to Canton County Jail and to meet with Dag's office so they could walk him in. And there's a couple people on decays that originally processes this case three years ago and said, you shouldn't be here.

[Podcast Host]

Right there.

[Drew Oldradi]

This is justifiable shooting. He said, but the, the new AG just has a hard on for police

[Barbara Aldradi]

left.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so, so I mean, from, from the jump, you have people that are in the system, like in the law enforcement system literally saying to him openly,

[Barbara Aldradi]

like, we knew, we knew that once after the shooting and we, you know, talked about it. The, the professional said there's. This was justified shoot. Tragic, but justified. And then they try to slap like four or five detainers on him to try to keep him in jail. Thank God. Thank God. Only overnight that our lawyer is amazing. Was able to get him out. But they wanted to keep him in, I think until like six months.

[Drew Oldradi]

They wanted to keep him until like December, right after Christmas. But they would have to put the case on. 180 day rule is cool, right?

[Podcast Host]

Because that's my other question. There's a constitutional right to a fair, free and speedy trial. It's been three years, right?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah. It's only applies to if they're detaining you so they can drag it on. So every court hearing, we had our use of force experts ready to go that next year. So they were saying they weren't going to get a use of force. Then we were, then we weren't. So every court case we go, it's like kicking the can down the lane. And then in October they said they were going to get one. So from October until last month of 2025 to just this past March, it was postponed several times. They said, oh, we have a use of force expert now. But meanwhile our lawyer petitioned to get the mental health records. So that was just granted. Thank goodness. So now we don't go back to court until the end of June, which

[Podcast Host]

is to back up basically what the wife said in full detail.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right. Because what we're basically saying is he was mentally unstable and we want to be able to have these records hurts to if we go to trial this fall to be able to say this man and here's mentally unstable and here's why.

[Podcast Host]

So again, and I'm just like reviewing what I talked to Jim about with this when I was first talking about this case in detail with him on the phone. And we've gone through a lot of it today. You have video of the whole thing happening. You have a 911 call leading up to it where the guy's describing a play by play that's later proven to be basically a psychosis fantasy that's going on. You have the wife immediately asking to talk to detectives and saying, I know he did this. Suicide by cop. Here's his full history of drug use. That's recent, but alcohol use for a long time. Rehabs, committing suicide or having suicide attempts over the years. You also have again the video, the body cam footage of the actual shoot where you can see here on the picture that he's armed with the gun right in front of him. I also love your little dummy picture.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Right?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah, that's because they, that's how ready. Yeah, it's called low ready. Like these are real scenes. We don't make this up.

[Drew Oldradi]

He never possessed the gun, never held the gun, never.

[Barbara Aldradi]

That's what their experts say.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Right?

[Drew Oldradi]

This is their, their fake narrative.

[Podcast Host]

So you had, you also have a two week, full two week investigation after that where they go through the process, they determine, Attorney general's office determines there's nothing here. And then obviously there's a grand jury two years later, new ags trying to take a look at it. And they go, you know what, there's something here. I mean again, I told Jim on the phone once we went through it, I was like, this seems pretty,

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

We've

[Barbara Aldradi]

heard that a lot of time from a lot of experts and a lot of people. We've, we've made a lot of nice contacts. And they say like there's, there's gray areas in some shootings. You know, there's the black, the white and the gray. This is not, there's no gray area. Here, this is not opinion. These aren't our opinions. He's our son, we love him, we always support him. We feel he did the right thing. But these aren't our opinions. We have the evidence, the facts, the laws, the policies, the procedures, and the Attorney General's office has it as well. So this is just a malicious prosecution, you know, frivolous indictment and we're left holding the shit for three years. Now where it's affected, no income, right. No insurance. We have to pay out of pocket. We're all working to help. He's got little children and you know, it's affecting the whole family, the in laws, my parents, my mother, my brother, our, our, everybody's affected by this. It's just, my friends, it's just tragic. It's devastating that this is all he ever wanted to do and now he's being sidelined from doing it. And over pure malicious prosecution, does he

[Podcast Host]

still, after all these years of going through this now and sitting basically in limbo, which I can't imagine, like, that's insane.

[Barbara Aldradi]

We don't, I don't know, we've had some conversations like, what am I going to do now? This and that. And I said, you know what, Our, our focus is to get you cleared first. Because if we don't get you cleared, all of our lives are over. Right. We have to get you cleared. And then when you get cleared, we'll figure out the next steps. We can't go through this again. I can't have him in a situation where he second guesses himself, doesn't want to shoot if he needs to, and then kills him. You know, he gets killed. We, I, this is, this is just trash.

[Drew Oldradi]

This case was such a slam dunk and so like bad. He would already been to trial.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Drew Oldradi]

And you know, whatever happened, I mean, the O.J. simpson trial was already done before this case was done. You know what I mean?

[Barbara Aldradi]

He wouldn't have been allowed to go back to work. That's what people don't understand. They wouldn't have put him back to work. He would have been suspend it with pay until investigation, blah, blah, blah, or suspended without pay until the investigation is complete. But when you have a liaison from the Attorney General's office basically saying, we went over the evidence, you know, this is what we found. Yes, it has to go in front of a grand jury, but, and I kept saying to my son this, Salvatore, please. They see all this, who's going to indict you? What right person in their mind? But again, not knowing, they didn't present this.

[Podcast Host]

They didn't.

[Barbara Aldradi]

They didn't present it.

[Podcast Host]

Drew has this affected at all, like seeing this happen later too, like two years later, suddenly gets indicted. Has this like given you any previous thoughts that. Or thoughts that you wouldn't have had previously? Like second guessing how you do the job? Like in a paranoid way? Or are you business.

[Drew Oldradi]

You hone that skill set and you just do your job, man. I kind of, you know, you can, you can't. This is just all bullshit, you know, that's all it is all smoke and mirror is what they're trying to do. I can't stop you from doing your job, you know, that's all. Yeah. And do your job. And that's it.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So this latest hearing, and that was supposed to be in March, got postponed and now it's in June.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So it was postponed in. We were supposed to go back beginning of February, got postponed to the end of February, got postponed beginning of March, end of March, and then it happened, I think the first week in April. Yeah. By the way, it was April Fool's Day, April 1st. Because I remember saying, this is a big joke.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, wow.

[Barbara Aldradi]

My whole. This whole situation is a big joke.

[Podcast Host]

Sometimes you got to laugh at life, even in the darkest moments.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right. I mean, you have to.

[Podcast Host]

That's. That's annoying now. Well said the AG office, the new one that brought this, where did it? It didn't. It wasn't like the AG one day looked at the case and said, let me bring this one. Someone brought it to her. Who again brought it to to her.

[Barbara Aldradi]

The new AG that just came in January, the old one, the guy, I'm not really sure who brought it to to him. It was just that time where it was still in the defund the police movement. And I guess when it was his time to come up to the grand jury, they just figured like. And it's not just his case. There's a few other cases in New Jersey.

[Drew Oldradi]

I don't think the, the investigators investigate it and they bring it to the prosecutors and say, yeah, there's no bill on this case. This case is justified. And we don't have anything.

[Barbara Aldradi]

I mean, there's no role. We think the attorney general had a hand in this. I mean, he's the one you go through, through all of this. He gets the final say or she gets the final say. So I don't really know the inner workings of how that works. But if you have the New Jersey State Shooting Response Team who investigates your shootings and they feel that this is a Justified shoot. Why is that not good enough? You took it out of the local hands of the prosecutor for transparency. You have your own people investigating these shootings. Now there's a few other cases that are pending where this is the same thing where they're, you know, the man was on drugs, died of a drug overdose, and they're, you know, we're going to go after the cops. Well, so my son was reckless, but wasn't Mr. Sharp reckless for doing all those drugs and drinking alcohol and going outside with a weapon? You know, police are pulling up. You don't come outside with a weapon. Wasn't the 911 operator, wasn't he reckless because he never relayed to the police the homeowner had a gun? There's a lot of recklessness.

[Podcast Host]

I didn't think of that.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right. There's a lot of recklessness going on. None of it was on my son. My son did his job. He did what he was trained to do, do.

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

Right.

[Barbara Aldradi]

If you don't think that that's true, then I invite people to go into these simulations where they have to do these, carry these scenarios out, ride with the police, Ride with them in these, in these cities and in these towns where one minute you know, you're stopping traffic and, you know, at a stoplight that's broken and the next minute you have to worry about, you know, do I shoot or do I be shot if I'm saving somebody's life? You see these camera body cam footages all the time where you can watch and police officers pulling up to the side of the road, they're pulling up to a car to give them a ticket, they're being shot right out the window. Like, we need to start showing more of that side of policing, to show what these police officers do instead of picking in on these little things. Oh, this is corrupt. Well, that's corrupt. Handle the corruption. This is not, we're not talking about corruption here. These are officers doing their job every day. And especially my son did his job and now is being maliciously prosecuted, is losing everything because these people want to push a narrative. And that's why he's got two young kids. Two young kids, a wife. I mean, God bless them, you know, and he's got to keep living. I said, you have to live every day. You have to go on with your life and you have to plan because God's going to take care of this and Mommy and Daddy are going to take care of this because we're not going to stop talking. We're going to Put the evidence out there so that people see. So hence the new administration coming in.

[Podcast Host]

When did they come in? January.

[Barbara Aldradi]

January. What's.

[Podcast Host]

What's the process there? So you have a new ag. Do you guys get to call up and request a meeting? Like. Like, what do you even do?

[Drew Oldradi]

The new AG comes in January 20th. I guess they must go through their hearings to get, you know, confirmed.

[Podcast Host]

Confirmed.

[Drew Oldradi]

And all.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Well, our lawyer did.

[Drew Oldradi]

All the old baggage that the previous administration didn't handle, she has to dumps on her desk.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Drew Oldradi]

Or his desk, and they have to go through all.

[Podcast Host]

Have your lawyers had any conversations directly with her or is it more with the prosecutors that not work for her?

[Barbara Aldradi]

Not that we know. Not that we know of. But we do know that our lawyer did send information over to her requesting her to look at this case, and we're hoping that she will because she's. I believe her and her husband are former dea. They're from a law enforcement background. We hear wonderful things about. About her. She's a, you know, police friendly, and

[Drew Oldradi]

hopefully she'll be the voice of reason.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah, that's what we're hoping. She follows the law. Because if you follow the law, it's pretty clear this is a slam dunk.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right. If you just will look at this. I mean, it's not pleasant that she had that it falls on her to say this, you know, we need to throw this out or we need to proceed. But, I mean, this is where we are. Where we are there.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah. Plaque had a personal agenda to go after police officers, and none of his cases ever went to court because they were either dismissed or thrown out prior to trial because they lacked evidence or they withheld evidence purposely.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Right. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So I think. I think if you. If you're proven to withhold that, if it's provable that you withheld evidence, you should face charge.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Well, it's funny that you should bring that up, because this is what started us on this movement. So he was indicted May of 2023, and then March of 2024, we start getting articles bebopping around that the head of the opia, which is the Office of Public Integrity Accountability, the head, Tom Eicher, is stepping down, as he's stepping down, so called retiring. All this information is swirling around. All these rumors are. Swirl. I want to say they're rumors because they're. They were published. Right. Of the corruption and all these.

[Podcast Host]

These cases in the office that brought this.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yep. Prosecutorial misconduct, withholding evidence. And I said to my husband, oh, my God, this is what they're doing exactly what they did to Salvatore.

[Podcast Host]

What do you got here? So, yeah, I just found this article from Patterson. In July 2024, Judge tosses indictment against Patterson cop accused of shooting unarmed man. New evidence could bolster officers claim. All right, let's read this real fast. So is this the same office thief that we're talking about?

[Sharp's Ex-Wife]

About.

[Drew Oldradi]

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yes. Okay. So a judge told the Attorney General's office during a Monday hearing that it must provide a detailed explanation of why it's only recently discovered new evidence in a case filed nearly 18 months ago against a Patterson cop accused of shooting an unarmed man. Superior Court Judge Marilyn Clark said the new evidence, including photos showing the shooting victim holding a gun hours or a day before the shooting, necessitates dismissal of the indictment against the officer Jerry Moravec. Clark, who tossed the indictment Monday, said the state has a legal responsibility to deliver the new evidence to Moravex attorney Charles Sciarra. Clark also ordered the state to let shiara know by November 1 whether it plans to drop the case or present it again to another grand jury by December 1st. Assistant Attorney General Nicholas Corman said the state intends to continue its investigation into the shooting, including by issuing new subpoenas and conducting more interviews. The state alleges Patterson. All right, so this explains the whole scenario. Corman set told told Clark that around June 20 this year, he received two photos that appear to show Cooper had a gun the morning of or the night the shooting. The attorneys did not otherwise describe the photos in court on Monday, the photos were not presented to the grand jury that indicted more of that. Corman said he would have presented them if he had known he existed. Was he running the case, though?

[Drew Oldradi]

He knew. He knew if he said, if you're the head, you're. If I'm the attorney on the case case, I'm looking at all the evidence. You know, I'm not going to say, hey, you know what, here's these two photos and I'm going to purposely withhold them because I don't have a case, but I'm going to charge this officer anyway.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, this is what. By the way, this is something. And I, I mentioned the scenario earlier about Tuesdays and November's, but this is something in society we have to look at because we have created a system that rewards winning it all costs. When the people. When you're a defense attorney, your job is to win at all cost because you're putting the Constitution and people's rights to a test. And people don't like that when it's a really nasty case. But that is what the Constitution says when you're the prosecutor, it's like a higher standard in the sense that you need to be able. Like one innocent man in jail is worse than 100 guilty men left on the street or whatever the quote is. Something like that. And when you see scenarios like this, it's clear that they want a result, but it's not like the result. They want a specific result.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So if I'm not mistaken, this, this article that you found, I think I read something about this. Does it go in to talk about that? The general, the New Jersey Attorney General wants to revamp this office of the opia. Is that what it says as we go down? I've read so many articles, I apologize. I think it talks about that she wants to revamp the office of the opia. Now Nick Corman, isn't that the one?

[Drew Oldradi]

He, he was a supervisor on salvage case.

[Barbara Aldradi]

He was a supervisor on salary's case when we first started and he was

[Drew Oldradi]

removed, I believe after this came.

[Barbara Aldradi]

We haven't seen him since. We only seen. They used. He used to come together with the other prosecutor. But. So does that say he's going to head the new. The head of. Is he gonna. I think he might be the new head of the OPIA right now.

[Podcast Host]

So. Okay. Attorney General's office sees control of the Patterson Police Department in 2023 after years of scandals. Clark Press, Corman. I don't know if there's any. Could be a different one. But that's interesting that they're looking at that.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah. Well, he could just be a temporary hold.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Okay.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah.

[Barbara Aldradi]

I mean I, and I, and I give a lot of credit if she's going in to revamp that because there's been a lot of. Of criticism and like I said, we've wrote, written a lot of senators and congress people and assembly people like what's happening and, and I know the, the OPIA has been very big on their list of malicious prosecution, but if he

[Drew Oldradi]

was, if he was purposely withheld information on a case where an officer could have went to jail for a long time, it's nuts. And then, I don't know, you know,

[Podcast Host]

they never get prosecuted.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

What did Eddie say when you first, when you first brought him the case, when you got connected?

[Drew Oldradi]

Eddie said this reminded him of his case. Yeah, is what it did. He said.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And when we were on the anti hero, the boys said, you remind us of Andrea. Andrea took that lead and was fighting for her husband and he Says you remind us a lot of her. And I'm like, well, well, let's go, let's, you know, we'll be a team. We'll team up. And I tried for a long time to get a hold of the Pipe Hitters and then I was able to with the Mike Dilks get in with them, thank goodness. And the same thing, they, they just could not believe that how clear and cut this is and that we're here.

[Podcast Host]

What are the best ways people can help to try to get a, you know, besides viewing the podcast and other podcasts you've been on like Antihero and stuff like that, what's the best, the best way to get attention on this, to kind of force the Attorney General's office to take some actions hopefully in your direction, obviously to, to see this through.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Hopefully she watches this and sees that, you know, we are putting our confidence in her that if she is a top head law enforcement officer of the state will follow the rule of law and do the right thing. I mean people could write the Attorney General's office.

[Podcast Host]

Do you guys also have some because you got the Pipe Hitter foundation where people can donate.

[Barbara Aldradi]

People can donate and read about it through the Pipe Hitter Foundation. And we also link that down below Salvatore's Give Send Go which that those funds go right to him immediately.

[Podcast Host]

We'll also put that down below.

[Barbara Aldradi]

We appreciate that because you know we, we've had some fundraisers but you know, you raise a few thousand here, a few thousand there, which we're thankful for. But this is three years, right? Three years without a paycheck, three years without being able to, to provide for your family and insurance. And he's working overtime and I'm working and his in laws are all chipping in and my mom's chipping. Like everybody's working to help them because we need to keep his mind, you know, focused on a possible trial. I need to keep him in a good mindset. So, you know, we're open to suggestions. If somebody hears this and can help us get a connection to somebody else. That's what we, we're always hoping as we speak out to all these different podcasts is somebody's going to connect us with somebody else who's going to connect us with somebody else.

[Podcast Host]

Well, that, that, that is, that is the hope. And I do, I really do believe it's possible to through, you know, being able to put the full story out there, presenting the evidence on here as well, because it brings it home. I, I was telling you off camera, I had A case a few years ago, we helped out with my friend Tyree while Wallace had been sitting in prison life without parole since he was 17. And he was not the he. First of all, there was all kinds of evidence that he was not at the scene of the. Of the robbery that happened where someone died in Philadelphia. And there was also, in court, he was not the trigger man for sure. And yet he was the only person that got life without.

[Barbara Aldradi]

So he's a fall guy, crazy fall guy.

[Podcast Host]

And so, like, literally, the trigger man's been free for, like, 15 years. So we did a podcast with his attorneys. I'd worked on the case for a while, and it's not like we called the prosecutor's office and said, hey, watch the podcast. But it was funny. It was the worst performing podcast in the algorithm. I did that entire fall because it's not, like, a popular topic in the YouTube algorithm, but the podcast was done right. And when. When they went to look at this case, the prosecutor said to Tyree's attorneys that they had seen the full podcast and said, we really got to do something here. And today Tyree's been free for a year and a half.

[Barbara Aldradi]

That's awesome. Well, the podcasts are the. The. The movement forward because the independent journalists, like Nick Shirley, right, they're the ones that are going in and revealing all this fraud and uncovering all this stuff where the mainstream media, six, ABC News, this. They just push the narratives of what they're being told. There's no more investigative journalism, right? It's. This is what. This is what I'm being told to say, and I'm gonna say it. And just like they did when they announced that he was gonna be after he was locked up. Oh, you know, people call 911 to ask for help and not in return, get shot and killed. Basically, when they lied about the whole story, they didn't put it out. So now you're painting this narrative to try this in the media, right? And all the comments, all that officer shot Fry, and you don't even know the case. You don't even know what you're talking about. You don't know the laws, the procedures. We've learned them. I didn't know them. All we had to learn them. And what you're doing is bringing out the real truth that the regular TV show or the news media, they don't want to show that, because then that would show that this officer is innocent. And we want to paint the picture of bad officers, you know, or whatever their target is. This week you know, so we, that's our always, our goal is that somebody sees this, makes a connection and says, let me look at this. We need help. Right? We need, we need the backing of you and other people to come to our aid to say this is wrong. We need to get back to standards in America and you know, unpleasant or pleasant, this is right and this is wrong. We need to get back to that.

[Podcast Host]

Well, I know it's your son. It's the most personal thing ever. But obviously you guys are pretty amazing support system for him and the whole family and coming out and doing things

[Barbara Aldradi]

like that until we get him clean. Clear?

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

If I'm ever in trouble, I might

[Drew Oldradi]

give you a calls on steroids.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Something tells me you're over there. Like she's got it. I'm sure we got it figured out. But he knows it's very, it's, it's very cool to see that there's always some sort of, even in the worst situations, there's some silver linings that come out. You see the people who really support you in your life, you see the people who actually want to see justice done in, in the right way. And then, you know, hopefully you guys can get through this whole nightmare, our situation right here and life can be happy moving forward.

[Barbara Aldradi]

That's all we ask for.

[Podcast Host]

So everyone out there, we're gonna have those two links down below to the Pipe Hitter foundation where you can help out with the legal expenses and everything. And then what's it called? Gibson Go.

[Barbara Aldradi]

He has a Gibson Gal.

[Podcast Host]

So we'll have that down there below. I'm also going to make sure. Let's make sure we do this. Steve, put the personal website you guys have for the case as well. I was looking through that. That's really good. And then, you know, if there's ways we can help, you know, to discuss updates in it or whatever as it comes up, I'm happy to do that.

[Barbara Aldradi]

I have his Instagram where people can go and see clips of other podcasts. It's justiceforcorporaldrati 1558 on Instagram. And then when any clips you have, I put it up there. I always try to update so people who are following can see like what's happening now. I get emails all the time, what's going on, what's happening now. They can't believe it's three years and we, we, we're nowhere. We're still sleeping.

[Podcast Host]

I hope when this is coming out in a few weeks, they've dropped it already. I, you know, behind the scenes. I. I hope that's the case. And you, you guys can throw a big party.

[Barbara Aldradi]

And we're inviting you guys. You're coming. More cannolis for you.

[Podcast Host]

Listen, he bakes.

[Barbara Aldradi]

You know me, he bakes as well. So he's a SWAT nurse and he bakes. So we'll have.

[Podcast Host]

You don't do.

[Drew Oldradi]

Yeah, I don't know. I just do it all. Just throw them our way. We'll do it.

[Podcast Host]

All right, well, thank you guys for coming all the way up here.

[Drew Oldradi]

Thank you for having me.

[Barbara Aldradi]

I appreciate it.

[Drew Oldradi]

Of course.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host]

And sending all the best thoughts to the rest of your family and Sal, obviously, as well. If you're watching this, hopefully this is done really soon.

[Barbara Aldradi]

Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you.

[Drew Oldradi]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host]

All right, everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both. Both a huge, huge help. Thank you. Aprobecha los ahoros de Memorial Day in Los y compra los vasicos pare lagar pormenos ahoro que madores Charbroil performance series Ademasa or rasta quarantai cinco porciento Electrodomestico selectos nuestra mejor selection Sta qui and Lowe's. Lowe's Nosotrotros Ayudamos 2 Ahoras. Char broil performance series.