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Apro vecha los ahoros de Memorial Day in los y compra los vasicos parelo gar pormenos ahoro centadolares en la parria gas de cuatro que madores Char broil performance series. Foreign. What's up, everybody? And welcome back to another episode of the Julian Dory podcast. I am Julian Dory.
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And I'm Joey Dave. How you doing?
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How you doing, Beef? I am on one today. I just want to fire it up. I don't know why I woke up mad. I don't know what I was mad at. But we're gonna have some fun today and we're gonna laugh it out. All right.
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All right, let's do it.
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That's what we do. But y', all, we had a wild week this week. We did a bunch of recordings and Monday was kind of crazy because it was like a 10 hour day. Yeah. Of epis you guys are going to see soon. But I do want to say this, that we're doing a three part series around the July 4th ish area. Like in that region. I never know the dates until we actually like kind of get there, where we are going to be covering different aspects of the history of how this country, America was formulated 250 years ago for the 250th anniversary. And one of the guests that we were able to get, I had alluded to this on Instagram, but I will tell you guys exclusively now, is a personal great white buffalo of mine. And it's a guy named H.W. brands, which many of you out there may not know that name, but you actually probably do because you've probably passed his books on the shelf. This Guy has written 42 books on the history of AM I think it was like 42 when we counted on the history of America since its founding. In 39 years, it's more than a book a year. And he's been a professor at UT Austin and before that, Texas A and M for that entire time as well. As far as I know, he had never done a major podcast of any sort before. So we were able to get him here. He has a book on George Washington that just came out. And you know what's wild Beef? It was a morning shoot, which I almost never do because I'm personally like not as good in the morning on camera. That's like when I. It's like when I like to get work done. So my mind's more in like a busy work, work, the phones kind of mindset rather than like let's record. But that's when he could do it. So we did. And so he gets over here around 9am a little early. You were like 10 minutes away and really nice guy, but like a mute. Quiet like it was. You could hear a church because you weren't here. Is you hear a church mouse in here while I'm like setting up the cameras and stuff. And I'd be like trying to ask him something. He'd be like, yeah, no, like really giving me nothing. And I'm thinking to myself, oh my God, like, amazing story, an amazing writer. He's not a talker. This is gonna be. Oh, that's so crazy. And then Deep got here. We literally like hit the record button.
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Yeah.
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I opened it up saying, really happy to have you here. We went back and forth for a minute. And then, I mean, he was going. I had to stop him at like 3 hours, 20 minutes. I was like, hw, bill, you gotta come back. I mean, it was, it was. If you enjoy history even a little bit, you're gonna enjoy this episode. My man was absolutely cooking the whole way. And then if you notice, Steve, the minute we turned the cameras off, he was like, wow, thank you so much. It was totally quiet again.
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It was like, it shut down like bro mode, bro.
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It was like watching Tom Brady walk over the lines.
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Yeah.
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And then he walks back. He's like normal Joe. But when he walks over that, he's like, I'm gonna kill you. I'm here to play. I'm here to play, dog. But I'm really looking forward to you guys seeing that episode because I realized we've never done a full episode on like the American Revolution and all the. That was going on there. And now we're going to do three. We recorded another one with Richard Bell as well. We have another one that we're recording in a few weeks and that'll make the three. But shout out to hw, who was also the warm up for the afternoon, if you will, because we had the great Randall Carlson in here, which was really a full circle moment. I've been listening to Randall Carlson for years. But dude, he just comes in, he gets in that chair, he's like, listen, you have the entire history of all these fucking catastrophes and nobody still wants to talk about it. I'm like, well, Randall, my friend, you're in luck. That's. That's why you're here. You talk about whatever you want. And that was like beef. That was, that was his show. We were just here for it, dude.
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He, he came with the documents, dog.
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He had, he had the fight. He had the Randall files, dude.
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He had file after file, PowerPoint after PowerPoint. He would have a PowerPoint on just
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a single term and then a PowerPoint for that PowerPoint of the term, of the PowerPoint, dude.
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Next level.
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Next level legend. Yeah, I'll be putting that out in a couple weeks. Really looking forward to you guys seeing that he's gonna come back. Yeah. By the way I looked at him, it was like 7:15. We had been talking for four and a half hours. I was like, randall, brother, I've been on camera since like 9am I can't even see. Oh, okay. All right, I'll come back. No problem. So we, we will definitely do that. But thank you to Randall Carlson for coming. That said, we got a lot to go over today. Fresh off the books, Tulsi Gabbard, shortly before we're starting this recording on Friday evening, has resigned. We're going to cover what's going on there. Tara, pal. Mary has also dropped some pretty new eye opening reporting on Epstein and some closed door testimony that happened there because that seems to be the soup du jour of what they do every week. Closed door testimony with this. Nonetheless, she was able to get some information. So we will go over that. Also Prince Andrew is under further investigation in the UK because, you know, across the pond they're actually taking a couple actions that we apparently don't take here with our criminals. Instead, we just employ them in the White House, AKA Howard Lutnick and many other people as well. You know, we give them, we give them a bonus. Joseph D. Philippus for their hanging out with a prolific pedophile, arms tracker, trafficker, spy of the elite. Super rich, right? Yeah.
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That's just kind of how it goes here. This US of A.
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That's best.
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That's just biz.
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Yeah. Also, the Pope is going to make an appearance with respect to some things going on with Epstein. He's. He's innocent, by the way. He's not associated. It's just he had some commentary for people which kind of like kind of basic. The Pope's got some bars, dude. The Pope, the American Pope has some bars.
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Critical Chicago, right?
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He's from Chicago.
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Yeah. That's why. There you go.
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I'm certainly very critical of the Catholic Church, but you know. Yeah, when, when you hit the, when you're over the target.
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Oh, he's been over it quite a bit.
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He's been over it quite a bit for sure. So we'll, we'll talk about that. And of course, Thomas Massie lost his primary due to the $32 million of funding that was put in donors that, you know, have some interest that are not America. And so that is something I, I would like to give some further comment on. I saw a great analysis that I'll break down a little bit. So we got a lot on the bone. There's some other stuff as well. SpaceX is doing an IPO, you know, because Elon Musk is gonna be worth trillions of dollars and take us to Mars, apparently. So we will talk about that if we get to it. But let's just get started here. So Tulsi Gabbard put out a statement. Joseph D. Philippus, is that right?
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She put out a statement.
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All right, can I. Let me just read the tweet because this statement's kind of a tldr. But hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. She said, I am deeply grateful for the trust President Trump placed in me and for the opportunity to lead DNI Gov for the last year and a half. Unfortunately, I must submit my resignation effective June 30, 2026. My husband Abraham has recently been diagnosed with an extremely rare form of bone cancer. He faces major challenges in the coming weeks and months. At this time, I must step away from public service to be by his side and fully support him through this battle. So obviously, right out front, offering my best wishes to Tulsi Gabbard and her family. That's. That is terrible and obviously like a really unfortunate coincidence with all the other things going on. But we do have to talk about all the other things that happen to lead up to this moment because, you know, this lady's been living under the guillotine for the last at least six months. And when I look at Tulsi Gabbard over the last 10 years, she is really representative of the political wind changes that have happened in society. As someone who has been in the middle of it, you are talking about a woman who was a Democratic congresswoman who supported and campaigned for Bernie Sanders, a Democratic socialist, and has now, in the vortex of times, resigned after serving significant time as the fucking head of intelligence in a Donald Trump administration. It does not get more across the board than that right there. I will say along the way, there's two things very notable about Tulsi Gabbard. Number one, she was completely mislabeled by people who didn't like her for some of the opinions she had that were outside of the Uni Party system. You remember when she was running on the Democratic side, the ticket for President Back in 2019, they tried to label her a fucking Russian asset and all this shit and, you know, were basically trying to alienate her because they disagreed with her from a foreign policy perspective, I do add to that Tulsi Gabber is a veteran. She actually served. She understands some of these things much more than many of the politicians who did not serve that seemed to have a lot of thoughts on this and continued to have their, I don't know, K Street steakhouse dinners to discuss who gets to die tomorrow. Yeah. So that always struck me as her being on an. On an island in a way that was respectable. It eventually pushed her towards literally joining the other side. But in the middle of that, she also became someone who understood the culture of where politics was, was coming into play. And what I mean by that is this is a woman who understood like the podcast circuit before it was a thing.
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Apro vecha los ahoros de Memorial Day in Los y compra los vasicos parelo gar pormenos ahoro centadolares en la parrilla agas de cuatro chemadores Char broil performance series. Nosotros ayudamos 2 ahoras. This is someone who was close friends with Joe Rogan back in 2017, 2018, 2019, would come and speak to the people. I remember she did a podcast when she, before she was even running for office in 2019, she did a podcast with Joe Rogan and Jocko Willink all at once. And, you know, it was very fascinating because there were different political opinions, but a lot of mutual respect among veterans. By the way, Jocko Willink, obviously a Navy seal. And it, it started a level of transparency that outside of like Donald Trump reinventing the game back in 2015, 2016 with his, with his live tweeting and things like that, it was a level of transparency from, like inside the beast that we hadn't seen from many people. And so to see her in the middle of all this kind of make these shifts and make these new alliances was strange. And, you know, it kind of is what it is. But I was actually somewhat excited about someone like Tulsi Gabbard becoming the DNI in any administration, because the DNI is supposed to have all 18 intelligence agencies report directly to that position, meaning they are the chairman of the board in charge of the overall apparatus. Now, to state the obvious, when you're in this kind of position, of course, all the compartmentalization across all these agencies, people that were there before you, they're going to be there after you leave. They're going to feed you and keep you in the dark. No matter who you are, doesn't matter if you're Tulsi Gabbard or someone really corrupt like fucking James Clapper. Like, there's. There's an extent to which you're not going to know things. But what's really sad, looking back on Tulsi Gabbard's reign here, if you will, is how alienated within her own administration she became and how much. And I don't mean to be crude saying it like this, but it's. It's the best visual I can come up with, how much her balls were completely cut off along the way. So by the time there was an invasion of Venezuela in the beginning of January, which was directly against regime change, and even though it didn't start a foreign war, potentially starting foreign wars, which are two major things that Tulsi Gabbard had campaigned on over the years and were two major reasons why she ended up allying with Donald Trump. Because she believed that he believed in that. When it was reported that she was quite literally left out of the room in those discussions leading up to that, leaving the DNI out of a room for something as serious as taking out a fucking, you know, leader of another nation, you, you, you are. The emperor has no clothes. At that point, you are completely deemed irrelevant. And it made her. It. That was the first thing that put her in an impossible position to where if she stays there, she's, you know, a lame duck. And people can call her a coward because she's not publicly standing up for what she believes. Even though, unfortunately, I. I don't like this. But this is the way it goes. When you take a position like that, you are. You wear the shield, you go with the shield. You have to support what they do publicly, right? Like you're a part of the administration. It's a terrible part of politics. So she had to do that. And in doing so, looked like she was going back against everything she believed in and the reason she was there in the first place. So it made her look bad. But also if people were like, if she, if she steps down, and you've heard me talk about this before, if she steps down, well, now she looks like a coward because she's leaving and just saying, you know what? I can't win, so I'm going to take my ball and go home. And I'm not saying that's what it was. That's what people would call her. So it put her in an impossible situation. And then you lead up to the February 28th Iran invasion, which is a whole different level from Venezuela. And it is literally a main campaign promise of like, no endless Middle east wars and no war with Iran. Again, this is a woman who had a lot of problems brought her way because she dared to say some things about Syria that were inconvenient for other people to hear. I'm not saying she was right about all of it. I appreciate the fact that she was demonstrating another possibility out there besides what the neocons were thinking. And so that's why they killed her back in the day and to see that invasion happen. And then you remember the visual beef of her and JD Vance in their own little like junior kids table situation room while that was going on, sitting on their iPhones where they were locked out of the real room because they were definitely against this and were forced to support, not even forced to support it, it was happening. And then they're just told, don't you fucking say about it. It made her look terrible. And then she went and had to give testimony publicly, something they don't do for the Epstein files, apparently publicly to Congress a few days into the war or a week or two into the war. And she looked like a complete and utter idiot because she was basically forced to sit there and take all this heat from all these congressmen saying, haven't you said before we shouldn't do this? And didn't you advise the President that there were no nuclear weapons there? And she had to use word salad to basically say nothing without saying something. Horrible position to be in. And I do empathize with that. But again, it's like you have to kiss the ring when you serve in that court, in his court. And there is no one more emblematic of this. And now it's ending, like somewhat tragically because hopefully, not tragically, hopefully her husband ends up recovering, but it's ending with like her also having to go care for her husband was something totally separate. But I just think that if there is one person who's like a symbol for what has gone completely wrong relative to the promises made of a campaign being the Donald Trump campaign from 2024. Tulsi Gabbard is your canary in the coal mine. And we have now seen that era. Well, it's now coming to a close as of June 30, so I don't know, I find all that what's now happened and forced her hand, the, the end result itself seemed inevitable. And you know, it seems like everyone who, whether it's Joe Kent, whether it's Tulsi, the people who are voices of reason and dissent in the room are either being sent out of the room to the kids table or scent packing. Yeah, kind of notable. No.
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Yeah, quick little replacement of their people, you know, people they want to make. She's been locked out for a minute, dude. It's been lose, lose for her too. We've been saying it.
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Yep.
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There was no way to go out.
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So let's see what they decide to do to replace her. Who they put in there. If it's some crazy yes man, which, you know, as of the time of this recording, we don't have any candidates, but I suspect it will be.
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Not a betting man, but, you know.
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Yeah, at this point. Pure spec.
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Yeah, just pure spec.
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By the way, we are stay tuned on some pure spec merch. I know everyone's asking for it. I get a lot of DMS about it. I get a lot of comments about it. If you want some pure spec merch, comment. Pure spec. But Mr. Joseph D. Philippus, is he about to cook? Huh? He about to cook.
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And that ain't pure spec.
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And that ain't pure specific. That's no spec.
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That's no spec.
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No spec. But I said at the beginning or towards the beginning, Tara Palmeri put out a report about three names that Sarah Kellen mentioned in her closed door testimony. Now, before I get to Tara's report, let's review Sarah Kellen Vickers, who is someone we haven't talked about a ton. I've talked about her in the past on a bunch of podcasts, but since we started the weekend episode, she has not really been covered in the Epstein files. And this is a very, very important person to cover because it's, it's an odd one and I have my opinions on her, but I've heard opinions in all kinds of different directions and everything. Sarah Kellen is a, was a young lady who came into Jeffrey Epstein's orbit and it's reasonable to say was most likely groomed by him, perhaps abused and at least at the beginning started as a victim. That all said, she eventually became one of his core recruiters of girls, meaning she was going exactly what it sounds like. She was going and getting girls and recruiting girls that were going to be his rape victims and bringing them to him. She is also a woman who, in the years after his conviction, was photographed by Daily Mail smiling and hugging him outside of his apartment and remained in his orbit. Now, her name is Sarah Kellen Vickers, I believe, because she's still married to Brian Vickers, the NASCAR driver. I checked this a few years ago. It's been a while, but a few years ago she had been living in a really nice place in fucking. I won't say the neighborhood, but in New York City, and was living the life and moving on from Jeffrey Epstein. But I had a discussion about Sarah Kellen with Lisa Phillips, because, you know, Lisa was on my show, someone who was pulled into Epstein's orbit and raped by Jeffrey Epstein the first time she met him and the second time she met him. And, you know, I. I don't. And. And Lisa, that's why I asked her. She's a victim, and so she has a right to her opinion on this. I didn't agree with Lisa's opinion, though, on Sarah Kellen and what I asked her, essentially, in episode 394, was it 394 or 398? It was two parts. I think it was in the 394 part, not the second one. Maybe it was the second one is one of those two, because it was all one. Sit down. But I split up into two parts. I asked her if she thought Sarah Kellen was a defendant or a victim, and she felt she was more of a victim because she was psychologically manipulated. My issue with that argument is that if I. It would be more of a stretch, admittedly, but if I made that leap, I could make that leap for Glenn Maxwell, too, potentially, because there is evidence. It's not proven, but there is evidence that Glenn Maxwell was sadistically abused by her father, Robert Maxwell, as a child and groomed by him and then forced into this world to where he introduced her to Jeffrey Epstein. And then when he died, she was left with almost no money and had to. I had to is a very generous way of putting it, but was put in a position of. Groomed, perhaps by her father, by spy agencies, massad, to get into Jeffrey Epstein's orbit and work for him on his behalf doing these disgusting things. So if that is true, you can make the argument that, well, then is she a victim too? Because she was just so brainwashed that she didn't know what she was doing. And I would never make that argument. Ghislaine Maxwell is a monster who should die in prison. And I, and I repeat, if they even dare pardon her, that's war, man. Like, that's a war moment. If they, if, if they dare pardon this woman. So I feel very strongly about that. And unfortunately for Sarah Kellen Vickers, I don't see a lot of difference there, man. She, she spent years as an adult recruiting girls, girls to go meet Jeffrey Epstein and then was laughing about laughing with him on the street, if I remember correctly. I remember Daily Mail images from like maybe 2015, 2016. At some point you're responsible for your actions.
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I was gonna say with that same logic too. Then you could say it for Epstein as well, because it wasn't there. That article like a week or two ago about some neighborhood in Florida where he was living and like,
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and like what?
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I just, I saw something about this neighborhood in Florida and like where he would be. And they were abusive to the kids in that way. And it was like, it felt like this spin of like, are they trying to say because like he was abused, that's why they did.
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Oh God, no, no, we're not gonna touch that. We're not even gonna touch that. Yeah, because that's another thing I'm talking about.
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Yeah, I was like, that seems like a stretch now.
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There's not a hell of a lot known beyond the basic facts about Jeffrey Epstein's childhood. And I don't give a fuck. He is, he was a grown ass man, made his decisions. He is what he is. I have, I have whatever less than zero empathy is. I have less than zero empathy. He can get fucked. But sorry, I told you, I'm on one side, but you know, with, with Sarah Kellen, who's never been charged with anything and was listed as an unindicted co conspirator, I believe. Can we check that? In the 2007, 2008 case, unnamed unindicted co conspirator Sarah Kellen, I believe she was on there like she's guilty to me. And now she's being pulled into these closed door hearings where she gets to point the finger in other directions.
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Yeah. She was one of four. She was identified as potential co conspirator.
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That said, that doesn't mean that the testimony she's given is wrong or not helpful. And so when Tara gets information, Tower pal, Mary gets information like this, we do need to pay attention. And there were three people that according to two sources who were inside the hearings, I believe, according to Tara, Sarah Kellen named. The first one is notable for a couple different reasons. So his name's Levine. What the fuck was his first name? Philip Levine, who was the mayor of south beach in Miami. And what's really notable about him is Ghislaine Maxwell had said in the past he is the man who introduced Bill Clinton to Guy Len shortly after Bill Clinton left office. Which also puts a timeline together that that's when she really developed a relationship with him. What I was a bit confused about is that I know Epstein visited the White House a bunch while Bill Clinton was in there. Did Glenn ever go with Epstein to the White House? Can we pull up images of that? Glenn Epstein, Clinton White House, See if there's any images of them talking with him, like in the White House, which would change the story. Yeah, see the one, see the third one? That's when Clinton's in office. So here's what's fascinating here. Why is Ghislaine saying that Levine, after Clinton left office, is the one who intro'd her to Clinton? What that tells me is that that is the guy who like, maybe vouched for her in Clinton's post presidential life. This is pure spec right now. I don't fucking know your spec, but like, maybe that makes him the guy who vouched for Guy Lan as like a friend and access agent post presidency, and maybe, I don't know, legitimized her. What really was odd about Levine? I'm. And, and I have the report in front of me deep, so I can see it with, with the, with the smaller text. But, you know, he's the mayor of South Beach. He's a fucking mayor. The mayor of a town within a city. Right? Like, you know, we were making fun of all the New York City fucking candidates for talking about their first trip to Israel. Running for fucking mayor in New York. And that's New York City. We thought that was ridiculous. So the mayor of Miami beach being such an international, like kind of connected player, according to the literal emails, he's on 435 emails with Jeffrey Epstein in the files, if my memory serves me right, talking about meeting so and so in Europe, connecting with, you know, I'll look at in a minute, some other serious names as well. It's like, why is a mayor like, of that kind of place that connected? And how do you get. That's weird. It's weird. This is where it gets beyond the scope of like, my understanding of the world because I don't understand these elites. But I wouldn't even think of that guy as an elite. I would think of that guy as like the guy that they call when, you know there's a cop outside their house for a noise complaint they need taken care of by their little fucking whipping boy who they gave a hundred bucks last month to his fucking mayoral campaign. Stay off my lawn, by the way. Like that. That's what I would think the relationship is, but it appears it's not so from Maxwell's or from Tara Palmeri's reporting. First of all, this is what Levine wrote to Jeffrey Epstein shortly after he left prison for his conviction, you know, for being a pedophile. He said, hi, just want to let you know this is in 2010, that I am happy that everything has come to a positive ending for you during these tough times. You are a great guy and I know all good things will come to you going forward in Europe for a while. Referring to himself and hope we can catch up soon, your friend Philip. To which Epstein replied, I appreciate the thought. There was also, and I alluded to this, Levine wrote to Antonio Baloney and is that really how you say it? Belloni.
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Baloney.
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Antonio Belloni, an executive at LVMH Moet Hennessy Louis Vuitton in 2003 email that he had, quote, so this is pre conviction been asked to possibly set up an appointment between you and my friend Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey would like to meet you in Paris regarding Sephora, the beauty brand.
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Nice. That's good.
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Interesting. Sephora is the makeup. So he's trafficking through makeup, dude. By the way, didn't Andrew Tate sit down with our friend Zampoli this week?
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Did he?
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Can you find that while I'm reading this? I don't give a what that I. Neither do I. But it's relevant because Zampoli's on some tour trying to talk his, you know, garlic and olive oil. Anyway, Jeffrey would like to meet you in Paris regarding Sephora. Briefly. Jeffrey is a major financier and the financial advisor and representative for Leslie Wexner of the Limited. Dropping the Wexner bomb in there. In one notorious email, Maxwell wrote to Levine. Now, this is referring to Gilan Maxwell. I talked about this. I told her that you referring to the mayor of south future mayor of south beach at this point that you were hung like a horse. And she said that she would like to see it at breakfast. I told her to take pictorial evidence from me. Not weird at all. Not weird at all. So when Sarah Kellen mentions this guy. Again, the context in which she mentioned him was that he was involved in the trafficking and the overall conspiracy. Yeah, you read emails like this where one of the main conspirators, Glenn Maxwell, who is apparently convicted of trafficking children to. Nobody is talking literally in a sexual way, as if she's fucking seen it, which I assume she has. Like, you see how commonplace.
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And I'm just laughing because, like, nothing happens, you know?
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Yeah. Wait, so this is. This is real? He sat down with Paolo Zampoli. Yeah.
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I don't even want to know what they said.
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I mean, it's only 11 minutes long, so I feel like that says it all.
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You know what? I feel like I gotta give more PR advice again. So, Andrew Tate. Oh, I mean, who has been accused. I think, listen, you and I are not fans of Andrew Tate by any stretch of the imagination. To be very clear, we make fun of him all the time. That said, he seemed to have some relatively trumped up charges brought against him regarding trafficking. Right. Optically, Andrew talking with a guy who is openly accused, allegedly Pure spec here, Joey Deef. Just wanted for any Future judges, lawyers, etc. Pure spec, which does stand for speculation for legal purposes. Who stands accused, allegedly, speculatively, of potentially maybe being involved in some sexual fucking trafficking operations with Jeffrey Epstein, Maybe optically, as someone who has been accused, Andrew Tate, of charges that you claim are not real, maybe optically, you don't sit down and talk with this guy. Maybe you let someone else do that. I don't know. Just a thought. Just a thought. Am I crazy? You're nuts. Is this a movie? Are we Truman? Is this the Truman Show? Like, they're just doing this to us?
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It feels like that a lot lately. Yeah.
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I have this lonely thought sometimes, and unfortunately I was told I'm not crazy for having this thought by someone who literally studies it for a living. But my friend Riz Verk, I did a couple podcasts with him last year. Riz Verk is an MIT simulation theorist. Meaning he studies the idea, possibility and potential of us being in a simulation. Simulation all day, every day. I love Riz. Great guy. Happy go lucky. I hope he's wrong about the real possibility of this, but I asked him on camera and talked with him about it off camera, I was like, you know, Riz, sometimes I wake up and I have this really lonely thought. And the thought is, I'm Truman in a Truman show type scenario where it's not like everyone around me knows they're fake, but they're Sims characters. And I just don't know because some fucking alien somewhere is playing a video game and it's a giant joke on me. And he was like, I have the same thought often, which was not very reassuring to me. But I swear to God, sometimes when I see these things happen to where people are just fucking, which seems to happen all the time now, where people are just openly doing, like, Opposite Day in your face or like dumb PR in your face, it feels like a giant joke on me. So I obviously, I hope we're not in a simulation and I hope all of you very real people out there listening right now feel the same way I do, because I'm sick of these people just playing these, like, almost twisted jokes on us. So I hope you're not in on it, Andrew Tate. But like, come on, come on. Don't. Don't talk to that fucking guy. What are you doing? Anyway, back to Levine. So obviously very, very vibe coded with the Epstein community. Oh, yeah, I think that's fair to say.
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Safe to say that.
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Safe to say. Second guy accused is a dude name. And I'm going to get it wrong. How to pronounce this. I don't really give a fuck. His name is allegedly Frederick Fakai Fecky. I. I don't know. But he was Epstein stylist, like salon person. He would do house calls.
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Nice.
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At the mansion. And there are women in the past who have already accused him of, to use Howard Lutnick's terms, untoward actions. And by untoward, I mean rape. So it's not new in that way. But what Sarah Kellen is alleging is that he was literally involved in the trafficking. This one, I was a little bit confused, like, how a salon guy is involved in that. But again, I'm not some evil fucking elitist child trafficker who knows how these people think. So maybe that's normal. Maybe salon stylists are a big part of, like, the underground railroad of taking advantage of kids. I don't know. I'll leave that one for you guys. Joey D, if you got some thoughts.
B
Nah, it's just. He's got scissors. Dude, you ever have someone come at you with a pair of scissors?
A
Oh, I never thought about that. He's got a weapon on him at all times.
B
Someone Comes at me with a pair of scissors. Call me a folding table.
A
Right?
B
It's over.
A
You see that model who just got attacked by our stylist? Oh yeah. We can't show the video.
B
Yeah, no bueno on that one.
A
No bueno.
B
I. I did find it funny that she copyrighted the. The footage and put Joe.
A
You have to protect the right watermark 100%.
B
Like, oh, okay.
A
She's looking out for the brand respect, you know, she. She's gonna. She's gonna need that.
B
I mean, yeah, cuz it didn't look too good.
A
I didn't watch it with volume. Was that him on in the background? Like she was recording him after doing the deed.
B
Yeah, like if his name was Joe Schmo. She's like, how does it feel, Joe Schmo? Cuz the fucking world is gonna see who you. You really are. And he's just on the couch just like, my life is over.
A
That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Running with scissors, dude. No bueno.
B
No bueno.
A
No, no bueno. So anyway, that was the second guy. The third guy was Patrick Demarchelli, some fucking French guy. I don't have an ear for French, as I've said in the past. But this one is interesting because he's a very famed fashion photographer. Now this one makes a lot of sense. Joey Dee, if you and I have talked about the underworld.
B
Yeah. High fashion, dude.
A
Yeah, it's crazy. Which you were like a contractor in that for a little bit, right? Yeah, yep. You ever see some crazy shit?
B
Nothing like this. It was just always like fun crazy shit.
A
Yeah. Joe's like, no rape.
B
Yeah, yeah, none of that.
A
Never saw no rape.
B
No, it was like someone. It's like people getting caught in the stairwell fucking. Who are just like, you know, all day.
A
You ever have to like break it up like.
B
No, not me. Not me personally.
A
Never did.
B
Nah.
A
Join in.
B
If the way I saw it, I'm like letting. Let it happen.
A
This is. So you joined it?
B
No, I didn't join it on any occasions.
A
This is Kerr spec. I don't know if I buy that.
B
This is high fashion.
A
It's high fashion.
B
It's.
A
It's one type of high line fashion.
B
Yeah. Now some funny times in that biz. It's a crazy biz, but nothing like this though. I do believe this type of shit goes on because there's a lot of weirdos too.
A
Definitely a lot of weirdos. You were like an insider on that for me for a little bit.
B
Oh, dude. Yeah. I mean, it was cool, but a lot of weirdos.
A
Yeah. So you didn't know Patrick the Marchieli?
B
No, I was about to just look up his work and see he's old
A
now but Patrick demarcieli again, this is from Tara pal Mary let's make a note of this as well. Deef.
B
Oh he's I want to link her
A
sub stack down below so people can go subscribe to that as well. Tara, I've shouted out Tara and I don't know 60 podcasts in the course of my career because she has been a long time journalist on the Epstein and Maxwell case, both of them. She is someone who was also very close with Virginia Robert Shuffrey who tragically died over this past year, who was a really brave whistleblower on as an Epstein victim and on calling a lot of this stuff out. So Tara has been plugged in for a long time with this. But again, from Tara's reporting, Patrick demarcelli, the famed fashion photographer later accused by multiple women of sexual harassment and misconduct, also appeared prominently in Epstein's orbit. In a 2012 email Epstein wrote after London I am going with Patrick demarcially and Russian Vogue to St. Petersburg again. Remember he was hunting a lot of women in Eastern Europe, Ukraine, Russia, the whole bit. That's where you would get people. The Marcelli's world also intersected directly with one Donald and Melania Trump. The photographer famously shot one of the best known portraits of Donald and Melania. Can you actually pull that up from the Google Doc right there and just blow that up?
B
Oh yeah, absolutely.
A
In 1999 at Trump's New York residence of the two in a mock Oval Office which has very similar curtains to what Donald Trump has now, I might add. But you guys have seen this picture before. It is Melania lying down on the table and Trump working the phones over her. It's a great shot, I'll give him that. It's great shot, good photography.
B
But again, you know David Lachapelle vibes.
A
Yeah, yeah. He was also on Epstein 9-18-2012 20:10 Yom Kippur guest list alongside a a host of names including the aforementioned Solanist Fakai 1 Rudy Giuliani who was very quick out of his coma to celebrate Thomas Massie's defeat this week. More on that later. Katie Couric, Harvey Weinstein, and of course our longtime friend and ally Alan Dershowitz, who I've never said anything bad about. I've only said great things about the dirt. Hell of a who's who Right there. So, you know, three different types of people in different types of jobs in different types of worlds, in different types of orbits, being named by one of the four main unnamed co conspirators of Jeffrey Epstein, all the way back in the OG case in 2008 as being involved in a trafficking operation. We need to keep our eye on this. This is, this is, that's a bit, that's a big report. So, you know, again, it's like the tentacles just.
B
Yeah, it's all, all intertwined.
A
It's like, what's, what's the term I'm looking for? It's like peeling an onion, but it never gets smaller. You keep going layer by layer.
B
It's like, it's, it's like Russian dolls.
A
Yeah, it's what, it's water torture.
B
But by the way, he worked with Conde Nast a lot.
A
It looks like Conde Nast.
B
Not who I was with.
A
So it's not who you were.
B
We steered clear of guys like that.
A
Connie Nast had a lot of offices in Freedom Tower.
B
Yeah, I was with, you know, I
A
don't know, Joey Deef, you know, what's this?
B
I'm doing the Spider man meme right now for people who couldn't see.
A
You were with who? Oh, that's right. Yeah. Interesting.
B
Yeah,
A
I totally forgot about that. Yeah, interesting connection. So you weren't with this guy, so. Yeah, that's what, that's what's important. Steered clear of that. Steered clear of this.
B
Good stuff, guys.
A
You were with the good people.
B
I was.
A
Who just fucked in the stairwells.
B
Yeah. They did it the old school way.
A
The old school way. Consensually.
B
Right, Exactly.
A
No one underage? No. Never saw anything. No. Good.
B
No. All adults.
A
Good. That's, that's, that's what we want to hear. You know, if you're going to have fun in wild industries, do it legally and don't abuse people. Yeah, don't know why. That's a hard bar, 100%. Also, Tara had said we don't need to play the video, but she was on Piers Morgan and she said the FBI is holding. Like, obviously we know about the 3 million documents. So she said that. But also 40 terabytes worth of video, which goes directly against what acting Attorney General Todd Blanch said on Stephen Miller's wife podcast about, Listen, if the FBI has video, I, I, I don't know anything about it. As far as I know, there's no abuse material. Even though his predecessor was very on record before this whole odyssey of the coverup saying she was sitting on all these files of horrible material of Epstein abusing victims. Cash Patel talked about it and then nobody knows nothing. Wow. Gone like it never happened. Interesting. That's interesting.
B
There's no video, brother. There's 40 terror.
A
There's 40 terabytes.
B
Damn.
A
40 tbs. My dog. Prince Andrew's under investigation. Further investigation, not just the arrest. We saw a couple months ago where he was arrested, to be clear, on suspicion of passing classified material to Jeffrey Epstein. Meaning not like trafficking charges, but to Jeffrey Epstein when he was acting as Special Trade Envoy. Now that's a whole can of worms on its own. But now he is being. We had to archive. Is it because it's NY Times. He is being investigated by British police on abuse that may have happened as well. So when I had looked at this Steve before, it was given as a free article. So that's why I didn't archive. That is. That's my bed. So if we can get this article, we'll have more details on it, but essentially it looks like I got it.
B
Yeah, you get a free read.
A
Okay, so. British police force said it was assessing a report that a woman had been taken to an address in Windsor in 2010 for sexual purposes. No charges have yet been filed. The police in Britain said on Friday they were continuing their investigation into Andrew Mountbatten Windsor. Windsor, the former Prince Andrew and said they were assessing reports that a woman had been taken to this address in 2010 for sexual purposes. The King's brother was arrested in February as part of investigation into misconduct in public office over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Da, da, da. The arrest in February followed accusations. Let's see. In their statement, the police said, in addition to the investigation into misconduct in public office, the assessment of reports that a woman was taken to an address in Windsor in 2010 for sexual purposes is ongoing. So they came out and said this. They said they have engaged with the woman's legal representatives to confirm that she should she wish to report this to police, it would be taken seriously and handled with care, sensitivity and respect for her privacy and her lifelong right to anonymity under UK law. Virginia Giuffre, who was the first victim, Mr. Epstein to waive her right to anonymity, told the Metro Police in 2015 that Mr. Epstein and his longtime accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell had trafficked her in London in 2001 and forced her to have sex with Mr. Mountain Baton Windsor when she was 17 years old. Mr. Mountbatten Windsor has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing into relation to Ms. Jufre, who died by suicide, allegedly, in 2025. So be interesting because again, this is, you know, it's a low bar, but it's something. They're trying to do something over there. For a very prominent person accused of horrible things for Jeffrey Epstein, that is more than I could say for people in this country, which, by the way, I've always had operated under the, you know, my guests that come on the show when they're involved in public stuff, I stay out of it. And I'm gonna do that with this. And I'm gonna choose my words carefully here, but. The picture of Nick Shirley with Howard Lutnick in the White House posing. Nick's been on the show years ago now, before anyone knew him. Very nice kid. I got political differences with him, but there's some work he's done that's good. Others that I think has a political bend. That's fine.
B
Don't.
A
Don't use that kid Howard Lotnick, like, he's young. Nick is young. He's 24 years old. You know, he gets a lot of heat for some shit. He's. He's a young guy. I make mistakes all the time, and I'm older than Nick, but that's just such a bad look. And also, Howard Lutnick talking about, if you're doing fraud, we'll investigate you anywhere. Okay, how about we look at the fraud in this fucking administration? Listen, I ain't arguing with you. Investigate the shit out of fucking Gavin Newsom. Investigate the shit out of what's going on in Minneapolis. I don't like fraud in any of its fucking forms. How about the fraud from Howard Lutnick?
B
Just go home, Howard. Just literally go to your house to uncover the fraud that we're all looking to undo.
A
Yeah, how about them fucking tariff trades, bro?
B
Like, you know, he's got like one of those safes.
A
Yeah.
B
Lock in the walk in closet and, yeah, a few things waiting to be seen, kind of.
A
And that's the thing. That's the thing. I hope Nick is more careful with moving forward. And again, I don't like doing this because I don't. I don't talk with. With Nick. Great guy came here. Like, I don't text and talk with Nick. I don't have that kind of relationship with him. So I don't like saying this kind of stuff when I'm on camera. So maybe I should give him a call after this, to be perfectly honest with you. But, like, you. You got to stay away from stuff like that, especially if you're calling yourself a journalist. Journalists don't brief the White House. That is what it is. So I, I'll leave that there. I, I really try to stay away from that stuff. That one just like, I was literally, again, I'm on one today, but I was like walking around going, what the fuck? Like, why are we taking pictures with Howard Lutnick? Howard Lutnick, again, I repeat this for the fifth time in this episode, still has a job in the White House, still poses that fucking, whatever this fucking thing is that he does with people coming to the White House like nothing happened. Nothing untoward. You, Howard, you,
B
yeah, you, Howard.
A
That, that guy sucks. Absolutely sucks. He was the start of this whole odyssey for good reason, really was, he
B
was, he was, he was old Howie.
A
We'll come back to the kidnapping thing because I wanna, that doesn't involve Howard, to be clear. I, I, I want to look at that more. And also Jared Kushner, we've been doing some work on, but I want to come back to that as well because there's a couple more things I want to look at there. So we will do that in a future episode. But this Vance and Epstein thing with the Pope, you know, it always comes back to the Antichrist, doesn't it? It always comes back to that, doesn't it? I'm not even religious, but like, they love this Antichrist thing. You know what? I don't care what religion you adhere to or don't adhere to. The Antichrist is bad.
B
It's bad. Okay, yeah, no, real bad. He's real bad.
D
Real bad.
A
Let's play this video. Who is this? This is Adam Mochler on Twitter breaking some of this down. But I want to play. It's like the first minute or two of this. There's more after it, so people can check out the full 10 minute video. But this kind of. My ear perked up when I heard this. All right, everybody.
D
Every single day we get more and more proof that Vice President J.D. vance's entire political career has been a psyop on the American people. A psyop is a psychological operation oftentimes referred to in the context of the CIA or Russian psyOps, or Chinese or Iranian psyops. All countries try to enact these, but in this case, the psyop is being perpetrated by Peter Thiel, a Silicon Valley billionaire who is basically the Antichrist himself. There have been leaked audio recordings passed around over the past few weeks of Peter Thiel telling a college class during a closed off lecture that he's been advising Vice President J.D. vance to ignore Pope Leo on moral issues, including the development of ethical AI. He also suggested the American Pope was a tool that of the Antichrist. I want to dig into this full story. Credit of this story goes to the Letters from Leo is a publication that I'll link below. And I found this to be incredibly interesting. I wasn't going to cover it until I got this news story that popped up in my feed as well. We then got more emails showing Peter Thiel and Jeffrey Epstein's relationship being much closer than previous Epstein.
A
If you want to see the full details, you can check out this video from Adam Mockler. I'm saying that right, right, Dave, that's upset. So shout out to Adam for, for digging through this. But imagine that. Imagine being a reclusive tech gazillionaire lizard. Literal lizard. If the anagram of Peter Thiel, if you put together the letters, is the reptile. I don't know, you know, fun fact.
B
Yeah, fun fact.
A
Just rearrange them. It means, it says the reptile.
B
He looks like he sheds his skin.
A
Hey, pure spec probably means nothing. Yeah, right. Just the coinky day probably means nothing. He looks like he needs to shed some skin. But you know, never mind the fact the guy's running around the world voluntarily giving lectures on the Antichrist because we all need that from a tech gazillionaire. But now he's accusing the Pope again. Again. When you have me like outwardly defending the Catholic Church because I don't. I'm not a big institutions guy in that way. And obviously the Catholic Churching problems to say the least, when you have me outwardly defending them. You gotta check yourself, my friend. So Peter Thiel in the midst of his giant projection talks of the Antichrist accusing the Pope who according to one of you know, I'm just picking up what he's putting down there. Joseph D. Philippus, but like he's calling him the Antichrist because the guy is questioning things about artificial intelligence taking over all of us and I don't know, questioning things like why the fuck we're bombing the shit out of Iran and why the fuck companies like Palantir are profiting off of war. Palantir being a company funded by In Q Tel, funded by the CIA because In Q Tel is part of the CIA that Peter Thiel and Alex Karp founded and along with other people and run that is being used as a fucking Trojan horse to spy on all Americans and is literally named after the Palantir thing. In Lord of the Rings where Sauron or whatever the fuck his name was, the long haired fucking guy with the gray whatever, could see the whole world in it and like try to take the whole thing over, like they're telling you they're projecting everything it is and he's got his fucking mouth in the ear of the Vice President of the United States who he personally funded his career after. After. I'll give him this. After one Leslie Wexner started off, kicked off JD Vance's career with a little dinner in 2017. In his defense, apparently you do have to kiss the ring of Wexner in Ohio. I don't know how much defense that is though, Joey Dee. That said, Peter Thiel has basically funded him since then and probably, you know, slid him in there as the VP candidate with Donald Trump. I don't know. Pure spec right there. But when you have that guy whispering in that ear all these things, like he's another guy in the Lord of the Rings, who's the dude whispering to the half dead guy in Lord of the Rings, like you can't do it. You must listen to me and carry out the problem.
B
Yeah, I remember like the little weird guy.
A
Yeah, yeah, the little fucking lizard looking creature actually fucking name, you know, you basically have Peter Thiel doing that and trying to convince J.D. vance that all the things that he in fact may be the Pope is. The Pope who doesn't want war, the Pope who doesn't want fucking people being bombed for no reason, the Pope who doesn't want genocide, and the Pope who's concerned about an artificial intelligence overlord. You know, I think the Pope's cooking on those issues.
B
Yeah, I think that's pretty.
A
I feel like if you're out there and you're left, you're right, you're in the middle or you don't give a fuck. We can all agree on that.
B
Well, and that's. That's the way of the religion too. That is. That's very Catholic. To track down and murder people according
A
to the letter of the law of what they came up with at the fucking councils and shit.
B
Yeah, yeah.
A
It's not really like Jesus like, you know.
B
No, yeah,
A
yeah.
B
Or compiling a database of everybody's info.
A
Yeah, not great. That doesn't. I don't very FISA 702e. Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that one of these weeks. We'll get to it. We'll get to it. Still work.
B
That's what Peter Thiel looks like. That's what that is.
A
Oh my God. Wait, no, but that is Peter Teal right there. You found him?
B
Yeah.
A
No, no, no, I think it's the one. The one to the left of that. And then up, down, down, over. Right, right. That one. Tell me those aren't the same eyes,
B
how Peter Thiel looks at you if you think after you ask him if humanity should go on.
A
Right. Yeah, well, you know, I. That's a long pause, Peter, because he doesn't want it to go on again. Listen to people when they tell you who they are.
B
It was, it was Grima, by the way, from Lord of the Rings.
A
Grima. Grima. That's the name of the guy whispering in the ears. Yeah. So there was, there was an election that occurred over the past week. You heard me talk about it in the build up to it last weekend in Kentucky. What is it? District four with. We can check that. But seven term Representative Thomas Massie from the Republican Party was running in a primary against another Republican named Ed Galrain, who for my money has Kenneth Copeland demonized. But that's neither here nor there. That said, this was very significant because Thomas Massie, he's a little different as a Republican. He's a libertarian. And you know, there's some libertarian world views that I think are really well intentioned and I just disagree with because I don't think they work. And then there's some other things I'm like, oh, that's interesting because it's like kind of neither liberal nor conservative. It's like, just make your own choice. And I. And you know, it's just interesting that a guy was able to slide in there for seven terms openly as like a libertarian and do it under one of the two parties. Fascinating to me. But Thomas Massie, at least until this past year, had voted with Republicans around 91% of the time. And the 9% he didn't involved when Republicans wanted to increase the national debt, which stands at about 40, $40 trillion, when they wanted to start more foreign wars and fund them regardless of what country it was, and when they wanted to cover up for billionaire donor pedophiles. Feel like once again, those are three things people left and right can agree on. As I said last week, I still couldn't even tell you a lot of the other positions of Thomas Massie. I could probably guess a lot of them because he's like a really pure libertarian. That said, I can't say I've sat here and like reviewed all his votes on shit. But on those three issues he's been really good. And along with Ro Khanna, who's on the left side of the aisle. The two of them have been the very rare politicians that I actually have some decent things to say about because they have stood on business, as Tommy G would say, right. They have gone out of their way to say, you know what? We feel like there's something here with the Epstein thing. I don't know. They had a hunch, like every other fucking person out there has looked at this and they actually put their asses on the line against the donor class who wanted to cover this whole thing up and have helped get some transparency on this. And as a result, Donald Trump, who's the same guy who gave a full throated pun intended endorsement of Thomas Massie in 2022 when he was running rerunning for office, is now calling Thomas Massie the worst congressman of all time. His words, not mine. Forget the fact that Thomas Massey's voted with him on a lot of things. Forget the fact that Thomas Massey is a part of his own party. Forget the fact that Donald Trump hates a lot of people who are very like left on the total opposite end of him and how ridiculous a statement like that is. Donald Trump is saying that because Thomas Massey has voted against bills that included all kinds of built in that I would call poison pills, that happens far too often in Washington D.C. that then cost Donald Trump political victories. The one that he always harps on is the big beautiful bill. And off the top of my head, I can't remember what the specific thing in there, the reason Thomas Massie voted against it, but I want to say it had something to do with funding something crazy overseas. Def will find it either way. It was something that, like you and me at home finding out the poison pill that's in there that Thomas Massey found and therefore voted against it. We'd sit there and go, yeah, we want you to vote against that too because it's a common sense type of thing. And now bring the bill when it doesn't have that in there. But that's what they do in Washington D.C. they make a bill that's this thick. They present it to you three hours before you have to vote on it. You can't possibly read all of it. The bill is called some, to quote Edward Snowden, it's called Save the Puppies Act. Something that people can't disagree with, right? Big beautiful bill, amazing name, right? And then maybe there's the top line things that you're like, ooh, for whatever your party is, left or right, you're like that's aligned with our values. And then you look farther down the balance sheet and you find all this. Sorry, we lost the audio there for a second. But then when you're going down the balance sheet, you find all this, and it's like, hey, why, why are we sending $14 billion to, you know, the, the, the Democratic Republic of Congo next month? I'm just making shit up right now. And you may want to vote against the bill for that. So Thomas Massey would do this. And apparently that was politically a no, no. So Donald Trump lined up to put a candidate against him, Ed Gall Rain, who, you know, apparently was a Navy seal, claims to be a Kentucky farmer. I have no reason to not believe those things. But Ed G. Rain, who largely hid from the campaign trail, refused to debate Thomas Massie. And again, Thomas Massie had never even. He had basically gone unchallenged in primaries. And I believe when he was challenged, he would win like 80% of the vote in the past, and he would then kill in the overall vote when it would be him versus a Democrat or something like that. Like, he's been repeatedly elected and has held up, as far as I can tell, whatever promises he has made to, from, like a legislative perspective to his constituents. When they put Edgar Rain in there, though, super PAC money came in like crazy. And the super PAC money came from Mary Madison, who was seated right behind Barack Obama and the other living presidents on the dais for Donald Trump swearing in in 2015 or 2025, and who in May 2024 gave Donald Trump like 200 fucking million dollars and who is an Israeli American, emphasis on Israeli. This is a woman who was born in Palestine before it was even Israel, whose husband was Sheldon Adelson, who once said his great regret is that he served in the American army and not in the idf, despite the fact that he was born here in America and was a major political donor for his entire life. He died a few years ago and she has taken up the mantle. And so she's sending in all this money against Thomas Massey to run all these ads saying what a trader he is, all these different things, along with Henry Singer and John Paulson, who I believe it was. John Paulson is named in the Epstein files. Other billionaires as well, who are very pro Zionist people. And they spent all this money in what is now the most expensive House race in the history of the country in a fucking closed primary, not even a general election, to create misinformation and get people to come out and vote against Thomas Massie, which they did. He lost the election. Now, I don't endorse any political candidates. I did not endorse Massie ahead of this, but I did call out the money going into this race and what it was doing. And so I think what needs to be said out front is that this being a closed primary, what that means is that you can only vote if you are a registered Republican. And it's also. It's a non presidential election to begin with, so voter turnout's already way lower. It's a non midterm election on top of that. So it's lower even still. And then it's not even a general election. It's like a fucking primary, springtime election for just one party. So this is the lowest kind of turnout vote that there is. And the people who largely vote in something like this are boomers. And we don't have to pull up the polling right now. But. But basically, Thomas Massie owned people below 55 who actually have an Internet connection and can go find information for themselves above 55. He got shellacked because he wasn't allowed. There was a. There was a call against him going on fox News for 18 months. So none of the fucking boomers at home ever heard him talk. And all they ever saw were the ads put out by super PACs related to Mary Madison, Paul Singer and John Paulson. And so they're. One of the influencers who was there, like, campaigning for Massey was this guy, Zach Loft, who does a lot of content on Instagram. Really good talker. And he had a great review of this where he said this election was rigged, but it wasn't rigged. And I really appreciated it because there were a lot of people immediately saying, oh, my God, they probably rigged the actual votes against them, you know, and just ran to that without any real evidence. And instead, what Zach did from the ground, where he saw things as. He said it was rigged because of the money put against him and the lies he said. Sadly, when he was doing exit polling at the stations, he was polling boomer after boomer, who would either say one of two things to him. They were either anti Massey because of the ads they saw, or they were just listening to whatever Donald Trump said because they still follow him to the fucking gates of hell because that's the information they're fed on Fox fucking News every night. And. And he. Zach seemed to have empathy for that because he's like, they're just getting bad information and that's what they're voting on. But he's like, that's why he lost. He lost because that's who's voting. But how ridiculous is it that we live in a system where someone can be removed from office for daring to have opinions, to stand up for victims, and daring to vote against aid for another country? I did not see Thomas Massie absolutely killed for not voting for aid to Ukraine over the years, but now he votes against aid to Israel. That's where they come in. And can you pull up APAC's Twitter account? Because again, we're just going to read what they say. There's no. We are. We are reading what they say. Last I checked, that's not anti Semitic to do. Every one of my Jewish friends will vouch for that. But Ed Gallerain. This is from APAC's Twitter account. Ed Gallerain's victory in Kentucky and Clay Fuller's win in Georgia ensures two outspoken pro Israel voices are positioned to fill seats previously held by outspoken detractors Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene, who had stepped down from her seat previously. Our community was proud to help pro Israel candidates win these races. Again, unpopular take. This actually is an apex fault. It's not. It's our fault. I mean, I think this is disgusting, and I. I have nothing but disdain for that organization. But they're legally allowed to do this. They've always been legally allowed to do this. We let them do it. They're not registered under FARA like every other country. We gotta look in the mirror. This can't keep happening. When's Ro Khanna's next election?
B
January.
A
January.
B
Yeah.
A
Let's see what happens there. Yeah, let's see what happens there.
B
Yeah, I said that already.
A
I got my eyes on that. Yeah, but this should not be allowed. And it seems like the people who deign to suggest that we need to stop taking advice from Israel so commonly, they. They tend to get run out of their offices. And that's not okay. So I. I found that extremely disappointing. And you know what else I found disappointing? More silence from Elon Musk. Elon Musk. There was a tweet in May 2025. It might have been from. In response to Thomas Massey's account. Or it was. Someone replied, okay. Someone replied specifically saying, hey, Elon, the weight of the machine is coming down against Thomas Massie. Can you please stick your name in the hat to support him?
B
I never even saw this when it either.
A
When it comes. Oh, yeah. What date is this?
B
That's June 30th, 2025.
A
Okay, so this is. This is even more blatant. This Is Elon Musk quote tweeting Bryce Lipscomb, good find beef. Saying, I donated again to at Rep. Thomas Massey's reelection campaign. Who's next? And Elon Musk subtweets me.
B
And then here's that other one.
A
And the other one is that we have it on the screen. This is what I referred to. So it says, he said, I will. In reply to someone saying, world's richest man, or please support Rep. Thomas Massey. The establishment is working to primary him because he's a genuine fiscal conservative and opposes the big bloated scam. Elon Musk replies, I will. This is also a guy who's had nothing to say about Iran. And listen, I have. I've always said this. In fact, I think I said this thief in one of the podcasts we did back in the day. 103 or 132, probably. I think it was 132.
B
He took over Twitter.
A
Yeah, when he took over Twitter, I said. And I said it in previous podcasts before that. But you and I recorded that December 2022 came out new Year's Eve that year. I said, I am a fan of Elon Musk, but I am not a fanboy. Yeah, I don't sit here and gulp down every thing anyone says. I judge things on each thing that's said. And also, people don't need to be perfect. They can do things I disagree with. I'm gonna do things they disagree with. That's called being a human. But when you see patterns form and you see silence on key issues, yeah, I think that's problematic. I appreciate Elon Musk for purchasing X and helping change some wins on social media. For sure, he should be commended for that. As far as all the details we can see publicly from what happened there. But when you see him make promises and speak very publicly like that and then not actually do anything about it, when push comes to shove, when you see him complain incessantly and righteously. So, by the way, in many cases about the funding to Ukraine over and over again. But then shut up when it comes to Iran. You gotta ask some questions there.
B
Government contracts, brother.
A
I don't know. I don't know.
B
Get the boot if you disagree.
A
Yeah. Yes. You know, you're absolutely right. I don't know if that's all of it, though, because he had government contracts when he tweeted those other things, too.
B
Yeah, but now it's.
A
Now he has more. But he had a lot. His business was still. Literally. I don't want to say completely, but Heavily dependent on government contracts. When he deigned to say these other things, including a lot of things when fucking Biden was in charge for sure, who iced him out from everything?
B
I just think with X, I being one of those three made one of the three main companies that's going to drive, like, the country's AI innovation.
A
It's.
B
What's he going to do? Hands are tied. Lame. Lame. Shady.
A
It's not great. Now he has one of his many baby mamas running around and spilling tea while she's doing makeup on TikTok every other day. Now this girl, Ashley St. Clair. So, you know, Elon likes life. He has spread his seed among many women, and he's been very open about that. Not sure how I feel about all that, to be honest with you, but, you know, that's. That's his business in a way. One of those women was Ashley St. Clair, who was, like, previously, like, MAGA, conservative, influencer. And I don't know Ashley at all. I've always found her to be a little bit, like, flaky. You know what that doesn't mean is that every single thing out of her mouth isn't true. There's certainly some weird setups Elon seems to have with the women he chooses to procreate with, but she's been running around exposing, and I'll use air quotes there because I don't know what's true and what's not, but exposing a lot of different things about, like, the influencer campaigns behind the scenes and what Elon's like. And my guess again is that, you know, maybe 25% of it is true. I don't know which 25%, but based on the gravity of things she's saying, that's a big fucking 25%. One of the things she said this week, thief, was that the first time she. Elon, he, like, rolled over and he said, pick a name.
B
Dude, I can almost can't even.
A
Which is like, That's a crazy thing to say.
B
Just built like a refrigerator.
A
He just busted. Just met this girl like, the week before. He's like, pick a name. Like, he. Yo, he was that confident. His swimmers were set.
B
That's.
A
That's kind of. I mean, he's. He was over 50 when he did this, and he literally, like, you know, did the deed, and he was like, pick a name. And then she was pregnant. She did have Elon Musk kid. And there's been a lot of legal arguments about that that she's had with him as a result. But another Thing she.
B
I just. I was looking at pictures of Baron Harkin in. Because that's all I could imagine. It's just like a giant sized refrigerator on top of you. And he's just like, pick a name.
A
Oh, that's kind of mean. He ain't like that.
B
Nah, dude. I just think of those pictures of him on that yacht and he just. Yeah, he literally looks like a refrigerator. Someone, like, put. It's crazy. Yeah.
A
Big barrel.
B
You can't bounce back from that.
A
But another thing that she claimed,
B
I mean, maybe with GLP1s you can.
A
I would say you can't make this shit up, but you can. I. I gotta put that disclaimer. It is just pure spec from Ashley Sinclair here. I guess. I mean, she's not saying it is pure spec, but we're repeating it as pure spec.
B
Yeah, everything we do.
A
She claimed that Elon wanted to spawn a legion of children for the incoming American civil war.
B
You know, I buy it.
A
You buy it?
B
Yeah, I do fucking buy it.
A
Do you think he's good with his hands, though? He got beat up by Scott Bassen. How are they gonna fight in a fucking war?
B
These weird fucking nerds treat the world like a video game. Yeah, he. I fucking do buy that. Listen, every community of people has people within it that have like these weird higher standards of. In this case, sex. Maybe a real, real, real, real, real low community. It's like, well, yeah, I just aim for the one that doesn't have sexually transmitted disease.
A
But when you get all the way
B
to these top communities where these people are at, their standard standards are like, yeah, no, I need a good specimen that can spawn my seed to help breed the, you know, continuation of the human race. I do fucking buy it.
A
100 fucking percent.
B
Totally, totally could.
A
Oh, I could totally see a scenario where this is true. I just. Yeah, I have to put a disclaimer on it because she's a spurned woman.
B
Oh, yeah.
A
And she's a little. There were when this story was even first coming out. And hey, maybe she's 100% right. Maybe when it was first coming out, there were a lot of other people. Like, I'm talking last year or two years ago when, when she was first, like, turning on him, there were a lot of people who were like, she's kind of crazy, who knew her previously.
B
Yeah.
A
Doesn't mean that they're not lying about her. And it's not a coordinated campaign. I got to say that. I'm just reporting all the facts. You guys decide for yourself. But yes, yeah, to your point, do I know that there are people in the fucking Silicon Valley technocratic elite who think retarded thoughts like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, yeah, they do.
B
And I'll throw it at her too. Like, if you're like a former female MAGA influencer, like, you're probably too like.
A
Right.
B
You know, that's both.
A
Right.
B
So they both lose.
A
Right? For sure. But you know, Elon Musk is also in the news this week and it feels actually pretty quiet. It feels pretty like you don't walk out on the street and hear a lot of people talking about this. But he's in the news because within the next month, at some point SpaceX, one of his companies, is going to go public. Now, I've just looked at this deal, Joseph D. Philippus, but we have, as I'm trying to get like the specs on it, no pun intended, of like what they're, what the estimates are and everything, but they are, as far as I can tell, they expect shares will end up pricing between 750 or 1500 dollars per share. And what is it Elon Musk is going to own? 42%. Is that right? Can we Google that to make sure I'm not talking out of my ass? How much of the SpaceX IPO will Elon Musk own on? There's a lot more here after this.
B
Yeah, it would be a. He holds approximately 42% of the pre IPO.
A
42%. And I'm going to put a pin in something and come back to what that means from a monetary perspective for a second.
B
That's interesting.
A
What's interesting?
B
But his voting control will be between 79 and 85 due to a dual class share structure with a super voting club.
A
Right, Meaning. So when it goes public, he retains like the power of what he can do with the company. But like I'm just looking 100, I'm just looking at the money like what he has. So if he has a 42 equity holding, it's expected to remain largely. Go back to that defense is expected to remain largely unchanged regarding overall company ownership. And then as you correctly point out, the voting power effectively stays between 79 and 85% of the vote. And then can you also Google what is the expected total value of the SpaceX IPO estimated? It's in the trillions, but I just want to put that together. So it's going to be. Yeah, the valuation, the total market valuation will be 1.5 trillion to 2 trillion, of which Elon Musk, according to what we're seeing. And please help me in the comments, especially if you're a finance person who's really looked at the actual documents related to the ipo. Please help us in the comments with this, with any really pertinent details to nitty Gritty the math. But by that math he's going to own 42% of that and that's from the public offering as well. There is also a stipulation in there. Can you pull up the first article def. I think you already did the CNBC one, but there's a part of that. I have it right here where I'm just going to read this straight from the CNBC article. Musk's stock awards vest when, quote, permanent human colony is established on Mars. Musk was awarded 1 billion billion with a b performance based restricted shares in January. And again I said this is first going public somewhere between $750 and $1500 a share. So on a billion restricted shares, just based on initial public offering price, they would hypothetically be worth a minimum of $750 billion just right there alone, just on these performance shares. But in order for these performance shares to vest, the company has to establish, quote, a permanent human colony on Mars with at least 1 million inhabitants, according to the prospectus. SpaceX said the board approved the grant and one piece of the performance is tied to, quote, specified market capitalization milestones across 15 equal tranches, unquote. The other is related to Mars, which Musk has long said he wants to colonize. Each vesting requires the meeting of a market cap milestone, meaning the valuation of the actual company and human colony milestone that in in quotes. And all are quote, subject to Mr. Musk continued employment with us through the date on which achievement is cert bar by our board. And again, he's got 79 to 85% of the vote and controls that. Dude, the listen, this, this could be a moonshot clause, meaning they don't actually expect him to do that in his lifetime, let alone have like colonized Mars, let alone have a million inhabitants on there. And they're just putting this out for some buzz and excitement. And the board voted on it and said, ah, it's fine, you know, and we're not going to have to worry about this. Or it could be a realistic expectation which opens up a Pandora's box of a lot of things. Hey, is this great? Are we getting to another planet? Are we also, you know, flowing the survival of the human race? That's in a good scenario? Or is this also billionaire bunkers everyone's going to die and then they make sure they get off and they start their own breakaway civilization somewhere and they're just talking to the aliens. Possible. Pure Spec, but possible. Yeah. Red Rising. Yeah, yeah. Back to the Red Rising book. Yeah, but can you go up one on that deep one section?
B
Yeah.
A
No more cybertrucks.
B
This one.
A
Yeah. This was the part I wanted to read because people forget he merged X Twitter, formerly Twitter, with Xai, which is under the umbrella of SpaceX, which to my understanding means again, it's been a while since I was in finance, so a little rusty with all this, but as far as I would be concerned, that means X is now a part of the public marketplace. Is that fair to say?
B
Oh, I have no fucking idea. Yeah, sounds good to me.
A
The fucking finance expert. D. What do you mean you have no finance?
B
Sounds good to me, boss. Stamp it, approve it, send it to the bank.
A
Pure spec apparently bounces back. Maybe, maybe that's, you know, I'm not taking your stamp. I'm sorry, I don't even have a fucking stamp. But if that's the case, let me just read this right here. X Advertising revenue decline in Q1 during technology rebuild Advertising revenue from X, formerly known as Twitter, declined by 100 million in the first quarter as the business dealt with the overhaul of its ad technology. Musk bought Twitter in 2022, renamed it X, and then merged it with XAI, now part of SpaceX. The advertising figures are a stark contrast to results from Meta, Pinterest, Reddit, which all recorded sales growth for the full year. In 2025, ad revenue grew by 115 million after plummeting 595 million in 2024, according to Wednesday's. Wednesday's prospectus. Data licensing revenue has consistently grown. So they're growing data licensing, but they're losing overall on ad revenue. And now all that is reportable to the public market. And the reason I say this is because we've seen in the past, let's take a huge company where content is a way bigger part of their business, like Google, which owns YouTube. We've seen in the past issues with information being tamped down and stuff, because private Google is worried about losing advertisers because they have to report to the public marketplace, to stakeholders, and defend the actions they take. Now, my argument has always been this, you're fucking Google for better or worse. I'm not saying I agree with it. You own the Internet. So if an advertiser comes to you and complains, why did my ad get put on this video of this fucking hateful whatever. Who said whatever? The average person out there knows a built in ad wasn't fucking set up by the company to put on the YouTube video. You know what I mean? So if they actually come to complain to you because one ad like slips through on a video they didn't like, if I'm Google, this is just me. I'd be like, okay, what are you going to do about it? They're going to say, well I'm going to take my business somewhere else. To which again, if I'm Google, I say go ahead and go to Yahoo. Yeah, you're going to go to fucking Ask Jeeves. You're going to go to Yahoo, you're going to go to Bing. Yeah, take it up with Gates, go to Bing. You're fucking Google. You can do whatever you want. Now they've loosened up some things. We've had some issues now in the past couple months, knock on a lot of wood because there's like an AI overhaul going on. But there are things that previously like now we've had to edit things again unfortunately. I hate doing that. That is what it is Spotify. A lot of times we don't edit things but sometimes it gets copied over. So it is. But like when I say edit things it means like bleeping a word like which now we will bleep like that kind of thing, you know, not actual content itself. Like we've been able to talk about most things we want but you know, in the past it was really nasty, really nasty on this platform. There was a, throughout the second half of 2023 especially and all of 2024, I mean half my job was appealing things to like @team YouTube on Twitter when I had no following on Twitter at the time either. So it was really difficult and I have to write out all these cases. I used to wake up every morning and so screenshot all my evidence and then put together a case. Every episode I put up it would just, you know, some would demonetize it for the wrong reasons. They'd be like profanity on the thumbnail. There's no profanity on the thumbnail thing. And then they changed the reason. It was, it was a nightmare. And then it got a lot better. And recently we, we've had some issues but again it comes back to that argument. It's like why are you even doing this? When you're Google, you own the Internet, you can do what you want. If someone complains, tell em to go somewhere else. They can't. This is the one place where, like, your economy of scale can actually be used for something. So anyway, it'll be interesting to see if, if that has any effect on X, if it's under the umbrella of SpaceX and now has to have that as a part of its quarterly report to public investors who could complain about content and maybe want to infringe on the First Amendment. Something to watch for. Sure. But Elon Musk is effectively becoming a trillionaire. We've talked about this before. He is a country. He's a country. And to Deep's earlier point, eloquently put, you have to worry about some of these, whether it's Elon or any of them. We're ripping on Peter Thiel for good reason. Like, same kind of class here. They're friends, by the way. That's interesting. But, like, you have to look at some of these technocratic little, you know, kind of TISM elites and the very, almost like robotic, you know, Y minus X equals Z way in which they view the world and therefore humanity and question whether or not they should be the ones with their hands on the lever making all the decisions. And I'm not even getting to where these guys fall into the supra government setup. And I'm not even getting to the idea of which guys are more influenced by blackmail and things like that, by, I don't know, hanging out with guys like Jeffrey Epstein, which a lot of these guys did, by the way. Reid Hoffman. We'll get. We'll get to him. You know, Peter Thiel, you gotta ask these questions. And then you see Mark Andreessen, smart guy. Smart guy. I won't take that from him. It's going on Rogan, the other day, I see a clip on Twitter where he's talking about all the benefits of AI in the sense that AI doesn't get sick on a Tuesday, doesn't report to hr. It doesn't report to hr.
B
I was like, why would you say that? Of all things, you dumb.
A
That's kind of interesting. That was a little. Maybe.
B
It's funny because I've been seeing those billboards in the city for over, almost two full years now. They have them all over where it's like, like, get rid of humans. Get AI workers now.
A
No, not. It's. It's nuts. And you hear things like this and like, this is how they think. And that's why, like, in one of the episodes this week when, when I was having it pointed out, like, Joe Rogan was apparently floating the idea of like an AI president. I, I know things are crazy around here, but like, no, no, all due respect to Joe, he's allowed to have bad takes. I think that's a bad take. Like he had said it apparently at first in the context of they were joking about something, but now he said it a bunch of times on podcasts. It's gotten crazy out here. I know the humans running the world aren't exactly doing a great job. I totally understand that. But like, as nuts as this sounds, I'd rather live in a world that experiences massive human tragedy on a scale that has to be overcome across generations, with awful things happening along the way, like some of the things we're seeing, by the way, than seed it to a machine run world that takes us all over and renders us extinct. That's not a controversial opinion. I think I got a lot of good evidence to back that up. Read a fucking book. Last thing deep Ebola.
B
Ebola.
A
Is Ebola back? Is that, is that, is it Ebola summer? Is it a hot Ebola summer?
B
I was like, they just take hantavirus easy just to roll in the Ebol.
A
The Ebols. I remember the Ebols. 2014 scare. This one's happened in the, in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Yeah, I believe. And now there's an American who Trump has said is very much quarantined, who is being treated in Germany. That. Yeah. So it's confirmed in American is tested positive for Ebola. They will not be brought back to the U.S. that's for the best. And they're being treated in Germany. But with Ebola spreading rapidly in Congo. This is from CBS News. WHO upgrades national risk level to quote very high. The head of the WHO said Friday that the Ebola outbreak centered and the DRC is spreading rapidly and now poses a very high risk at a national level. The Ebola outbreak and DRC is spreading rapidly. That's the direct quote. That's a repeat. We are now revising our risk assessment to very high to national level. The risk of spread remains high within the region and low at global levels, he told reporters. I'm going to stop it right there.
B
Nice.
A
It remains low at global levels. Ebola's. There's all kinds of horrible symptoms with that. You can Google that. It's a horrible kind of thing. But we're not doing this again. Let me repeat. You can give me the anta. Give me the Ebola, give me a little bit of prosciutt, a little cop. We're not doing it. We're not doing it. Nah, not here in Jersey.
B
Not doing it.
A
I can't do it. I can't. Right.
B
I'm not even coming at this aggressively. I'm coming here on my hands and knees like, I can't do it again.
A
I can't do it again. Yeah, man. I mean, look, no one wants to live through that timeline of just people fighting.
B
There wouldn't be stimulus checks this time. They just take money from us, right?
A
Yeah, they'd be like, yo, go yourself.
B
Oh, you got to do your twelve hundred dollar stimulus payment.
A
Payment to the government. Yeah, we just gonna take that right there. By the way, Bezos kind of cooked the other day talking about the, the 75K a year nurse in Queens getting taxed $12,000 a year. And he's like, that's crazy. He said, by the way, the taxes at that income level and similar income levels represents 3% of the budget. Why can't we find 3% somewhere else? Including he was alluding to from people like him.
B
Yeah.
A
You know, for all the repping we do righteously so of these billionaires, including Jeffrey. Jeff Bezos. He cooked. He cooked a little bit. There something to be said for that?
B
It felt weird calling him Jeffrey Bezos for a second.
A
It did feel a little weird. I could tell it felt a little bit weird.
B
It's like the name Jeffrey. You just gotta throw it in a fucking furnace.
A
I appreciate the same guy hiring a crane to lower his furniture into his 20, whatever street penthouse. It's public information. Penthouse apartment in New York. I appreciate him pretending at least to look out for the nurse and queen who in Queens who's saving lives and trying to feed a family. I wish you would do that for his own Amazon workers. Remember that one? Oh, I remember a lot of those ones.
B
Hey, hey, don't look at that body we got. We need those boxes.
A
Come on, we need that stack. Fucking moves. Right over there.
B
She's fine.
A
She's good.
B
Get on the line.
A
She's good. Get on the line. Wearing the diaper.
B
Cleanup crew in this is not, not good.
A
We're the type. We got to cut it there. I'm. I'm like, wait, I told you the shoulder injury. I'm too amped these days. I'm getting a little better. I'll be, I'll be good in a couple weeks and I won't be so fire fired up for these. But thank you to everyone for subscribing and liking the video. If you have not subscribed, please make sure you do that. It's a huge help. We are putting out these episodes every weekend and we are putting out our two three hour guest episodes every week across all different topics. I got some heat for you this week so make sure you look out for that. It's usually Tuesday and Friday or Wednesday and that's when you see those. But other than that, give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. What's up guys? Thanks so much for watching the video. If you have not subscribed, please hit that subscribe button before you leave. As well as leaving a like on the video. It's a huge help. You can join my Patreon via the link in the description and you can also join my Clipping community via the Discord link down below. See you for the next episode. When you run a business, there are a lot of boxes to check.
C
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Julian Dorey Podcast #426
Epstein LATEST, The AntiChrist, Gabbard DOWN & SpaceX UP
Date: May 23, 2026
Host: Julian Dorey (A) | Co-host: Joey Dave (“Beef”) (B)
Podcast Theme:
A wide-ranging discussion of the week's explosive news—Epstein revelations, Tulsi Gabbard's resignation, anti-Christ and technocracy talk, the ousting of Thomas Massie, SpaceX IPO, and more—delivered in the signature "pure spec" style with irreverence, dark humor, and skepticism toward institutional power.
In this lively, no-holds-barred episode, Julian and Joey “Beef” cover recent scandal-packed headlines at the intersection of politics, tech, and culture. The two dissect new figures named in the Epstein case, analyze Tulsi Gabbard’s sudden resignation, muse on the influence of tech billionaires like Peter Thiel ("the Antichrist") behind US power moves, break down the ousting (and donor dollars) of libertarian Congressman Thomas Massie, and scrutinize Elon Musk’s looming trillionaire status via a SpaceX IPO. True to form, they blend reporting, analysis, and comedic venting—with Julian “on one” and Beef riffing alongside.
This detailed breakdown will let newcomers navigate the sprawling discussion and catch the episode’s key arguments, revelations, and comic relief. “Pure spec” in every sense—engaging, irreverent, and informed.