#437 - “They Attacked Me!” - Netanyahu, Elite Bunkers, Thiel & Epstein Psyop | Tommy G

Summary

Julian Dorey Podcast #437 – “They Attacked Me!” – Netanyahu, Elite Bunkers, Thiel & Epstein Psyop | Tommy G (June 19, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this energetic, wide-ranging conversation, host Julian Dorey sits down with documentary filmmaker and gonzo investigative journalist Tommy G. They dive deep into government corruption, surveillance tech, U.S.-Israel relations, elite power structures, and the difficulties of truth-telling journalism. The episode balances hard-hitting critique with comedic and unfiltered banter—a signature for both personalities. With topics from Flock Safety and elite bunkers to the lack of accountability for the ultra-wealthy, plus firsthand stories about covering hot-button topics, this one’s packed with insight and controversy.

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Main Themes & Purposes

• Investigative Journalism & Firsthand Exposure – Tommy G’s mission to actively participate in the stories he covers, bringing firsthand experience to audience.
• Corruption Across Political Spectrums – Disillusionment with political “sides,” as both major parties favor special interests and ignore public will.
• Surveillance State Expansion – Concerns over growing surveillance in the U.S. (Flock Safety, data centers), and the slippery slope sacrificing freedom for security.
• U.S.-Israel Relationship & Critique of Netanyahu Regime – Hard questions about American allegiance to Israel, the complexity of Jewish-American perspectives, and the weaponization of "anti-Semitism" accusations.
• Elite Power, Lack of Accountability, and Distractions – How the ruling class insulates itself, escapes culpability (reference to Epstein), manipulates media cycles, and stifles accountability.
• Public Activism & Individual Responsibility – The need for public pressure on politicians and elites, inspiration for everyday people to speak out and hold power to account.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Experiential Journalism and Fearlessness

[03:18] Tommy G details his “immersive” journalism style—from waterboarding to infiltrating jails and hostile environments.

• *“When I can dive into the experiential journalism side, it’s really fun because then it also gives the context I need... It’s one thing when I say I want to go to France, it’s another when I’ve been to France.” — Tommy G [03:18]
• Intent: Not just to “cover a story,” but to live it, offering authenticity.
• Growth: Tommy's channel has moved from “hood stories” to broader corruption and people’s-champion stories.

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2. The Surveillance State and Flock Safety Investigation

[04:44] Tommy recounts his gonzo investigation into Flock Safety, a major license plate reader and audio surveillance company.

• Discovery: Flock’s offices are unmarked, secretive. Trying to film them led to police involvement—a role reversal exposing the tension between privacy and security.

[07:03]

• Quote: “I was like, hey sir, just want to let you know you’re under surveillance. But don’t worry, it’s for your safety.” — Tommy G [05:53]

• Slippery Slope: From plate readers, Flock is now expanding to audio, facial recognition.

• Scope Creep Fear: “Like with your phone, there’s an automatic update that no one voted for... Now it’s audio, now it’s facial.” — Tommy G [07:39]

• Parallels to the Patriot Act: Reference to FISA 702—a process that keeps expanding government spying justification.

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3. Trading Freedom for Security – Political Hypocrisy

[10:00] The hosts call out Trump’s support for extending FISA 702 (despite it being weaponized against him), and the bipartisan consensus on invasive surveillance.

• Quote: “It’s everywhere… after 9/11… all the things they did there…” — Julian Dorey [08:29]
• Cynicism about Both Sides: Both parties ultimately use “safety” to justify encroachment on rights; public trust has eroded.

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4. Elite Accountability, Media Distractions, and Epstein Files

• The hosts dissect the endless cycle of distractions—scandals swept away thanks to short news cycles (Epstein files, insider trading, etc.).
• How power brokers like Chuck Schumer manipulate the cycle for advantage.

“How many times are you going to say something’s a coincidence? They’ve been doing this forever.” — Julian [58:35]
“It’s the most prolific crime of my lifetime.” — Julian on Epstein [59:58]

• Public Apathy as a Tool: The constant noise makes scandal a background hum; little outrage, little change.
• Need for Public Pressure: “If Todd Blanche goes to the grocery store, someone should be there to heckle him, push them. Pressure. Verbally … do it verbally.” — Tommy G [64:34]

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5. Covering Difficult Topics: Jewish Communities, Israel & Palestine

• Tommy discusses tough conversations with Orthodox rabbis:
  • Challenging propaganda: “I’m not in this to whack people with a hammer... but… To think nothing’s happening in the West Bank… how can you even believe that?” [23:38]
  • The complexity of Jewish-American attitudes toward Israel (and their discomfort with Netanyahu & hardline Zionists).
• Quote: “What percentage of Jewish Americans agree with the tactics of the Israeli government?” — Tommy G [25:24]
• Jewish mafia, white-collar crime, and why there’s little public scrutiny compared to other crime types (Italian mafia, etc.).

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6. Elite Bunkers & Big Tech’s Flight from Accountability

• Tommy interviews the world’s top bunker builder, revealing that the ultra-elite—tech moguls, cabinet members—are building bunkers and prepping.
• “Is it just the next flex? Or is there a more sinister awareness of what could happen?” — Tommy G [135:36]
• Paranoia or realistic preparation? Sorting real existential risk from “marketing.”

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7. Investigating Congress: Insider Stock Trading Exposé

• Tommy and crew awarded satirical plaques to members of Congress for “insider trading”—directly confronting staffers.
• [81:16] Video segments: “If you make 25% return on a stock and file it months late like Katie Britt did, you get a $200 fine and you keep the returns…” [90:08]
• On Nancy Pelosi: “She came into Congress in 1987 worth 3 million bucks. How much you worth now? Worth now 317 million.” [83:55]

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8. Bipartisan Sycophancy Towards Israel: Military-Industrial Merger

• Discussion with Congressman Adam Smith about Section 224/226, legislation deepening U.S.-Israel military and intelligence sharing.
• “He was like… They’re not really gonna benefit much from it, but we are going to be able to use their technology…” — Tommy G [99:16]
• Critical view: U.S. politicians consistently push policies that have no public support, yet face little resistance.
• “It seems like our politicians, local, state and national, keep doing things nobody wants… It gives me a sense of despair.” — Tommy G [55:17]

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9. Cynicism, Despair, and the Call to Action

• Tommy acknowledges increased cynicism but maintains hope:
  • “Groups have been up against way worse and overcome it… We’re capable of that.” [140:16]
• Value of relational, real-life experiences as antidote: grounding in family, nature, and balance outside the “ogres” of power.

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10. Reading, Curiosity, & Seeking Role Models

• Both discuss the importance of reading—fiction for empathy and archetype, nonfiction for inspiration (e.g., Teddy Roosevelt biographies).
• “The superpower of reading… you become well-versed enough that you can hit almost any topic.” — Tommy G [120:32]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Surveillance and Power:

  • “It’s like the ring in Lord of the Rings. It depends on who’s holding it, whether it’s good or evil.” — Tommy G [07:05]

• On Public Action:

  • “If the ants unite, we can beat the grasshoppers. All of us ants need to use our smartphone and let them know what the hell is up.” — Tommy G [65:33]

• On Investigating Israel/Palestine:

  • “That is how the conversation starts. Maybe something downstream happens. But you can’t fix the issues with the actions Netanyahu’s government has taken without two things: Him being voted out and hard conversations about our relationship with Israel.” — Julian [25:03]

• On Elite Bunkers:

  • “Is it the next flex, or do they know something we don’t?” — Tommy G [135:36]

• On News/Media Manipulation:

  • “They drown out the loudest voices by just creating crowd noise everywhere. Everything becomes a distraction for distraction.” — Julian [57:47]

• On Political Corruption:

  • “Every part of the structure of the class of what you’d call elites… they view us all like peasants.” — Julian [93:20]

• On Reading & Human Nature:

  • “Fiction also teaches you a lot about the real world too… If they don’t understand human psychology, it’s going to be a flop. You’re not going to pull with the character.” — Tommy G [115:55]

• On Remaining Courageous:

  • “What is the point of having a channel with reach if I’m going to be scared to talk when the real issues come?” — Tommy G [42:36]

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• Tommy G’s Experiential Journalism Philosophy: [03:18]
• Flock Safety Investigation & Surveillance State: [04:44–09:59]
• FISA 702, Political Hypocrisy, Safety vs. Freedom: [08:45–12:26]
• Jewish Community Coverage, Mafia, Crime: [21:51–41:43]
• Cancel Culture, Tyler Oliveira, Taboo Topics: [33:00–34:32]
• U.S.-Israel, Netanyahu, Hard Conversations: [25:03–47:02]
• The Bunker Business & Elite Paranoia: [134:04–137:16]
• Confronting Congressional Insiders & Stock Trading: [81:16–94:22]
• Public Pressure Campaigns Against Elites: [64:23–67:08]
• Congressman Adam Smith Interview Debrief: [97:22–102:46]
• Police Ride Alongs & Policing Tactics: [105:15–108:36]
• Reading, Storytelling & Inspiration: [115:12–124:14]
• End Reflection on Cynicism & Hope: [140:16–144:55]

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Summary & Takeaway

This episode encapsulates the frustration and fire of two men waging war on American apathy—armed with curiosity, dark humor, and the belief that sunlight is the best disinfectant. They probe invasive surveillance, the elite’s unaccountability, media distraction psyops, and the moral ambiguity of U.S. foreign alliances. At every turn, listeners are invited not just to spectate but to participate: question, pressure, and refuse to yield to the narrative handwaving away the issues that matter most.

If you crave unfiltered, sometimes uncomfortable, always intriguing examinations of corruption and influence, this episode is essential.

Transcript

[Julian]

Foreign.

[Tommy G]

We want to do a piece investigating the state where bestiality is illegal.

[Julian]

So in West Virginia. In West Virginia, you could technically like

[Tommy G]

a horse, a chicken.

[Julian]

Even you a chicken.

[Tommy G]

If you can find a way to do it.

[Julian]

There's like a lot of geometrically. I don't know how much that makes sense if you.

[Tommy G]

If you're packing what I am. It's possible.

[Julian]

It's possible.

[Tommy G]

You have to be in the mic, the mp, the micro penis category.

[Julian]

Flaccid or full?

[Tommy G]

To me it looks the same.

[Julian]

Have you, like, ever, like, sized up a chicken? Like, I.

[Tommy G]

Listen, I've done more than size.

[Julian]

Tommy G. Is great to have you back, bro. It's always, always awesome to have you in the studio.

[Tommy G]

Glad to be here. Jersey's finest, I'm with right now.

[Julian]

God damn right.

[Tommy G]

Yes, sir.

[Julian]

I was just thinking about this because we talk all the time, but we have not seen each other since the fucking waterboarding shit last June.

[Tommy G]

Yeah, that. Which is a remarkable event, I would say. Have you had any PTSD?

[Julian]

No, no PTSD from it. But 11 out of 10 wouldn't recommend doing it again. For sure.

[Tommy G]

Aren't you glad you did it? You just don't want to repeat it.

[Julian]

That's right. Yeah, I know. I think it was an interesting experience because it also shows to me what our guys in the Special Forces, what they must actually go through.

[Tommy G]

Like a 2% version.

[Julian]

Exactly. This is. It's not even a 2% version. We got like the 0.1% version. We got like that. They showed up the first day of camp and they're like, all right, real quick, we're gonna warm up. And you and I were like, in hell. And then think about those guys, like the Navy SEALs, they then do the equivalent of like six months of that. It's insane, bro. Those guys are.

[Tommy G]

They're a different breed to get that tough. When you merge on the other side of that, you got to feel pretty confident when you roam the world.

[Julian]

I think so. I think so. It definitely. Like there's a switch that's different in some of those guys. And you wonder how much of that just existed and was just brought to the surface with their training that they got through. Whether it be in BUDS or with the Green Berets or. Or with Delta versus like, maybe it's built through doing that.

[Tommy G]

Well, I think there's a certain level of crazy and ambitious and durable that you just show up to the party with, but only when you go through, you know, a six month wrestling season or a MUAY Thai fight camp or a Green Beret training session. Do you like that? It gets cemented, it gets proven, and then it's real.

[Julian]

Yeah. And you've done a bunch of stuff, though. Like, not. Not just that, but, you know, you did the whole hostage thing with the mercenary team. You've gone into these jails now and, like, live that, which is hilarious and scary at the same time. Like, you know, that's what I've always really admired about you with your stories and what you go do. You're about that life. Like, you will go in, be in the nitty gritty. And even if you're doing something that's like a simulation or something like that, like, I mean, you should have heard this guy off camera. Like, you want it all the way. You're like, no, no, Turn the volume up. Let's go. Let's see what this is.

[Tommy G]

I think when I can dive into the experiential journalism side, it's really fun because then it also gives the context that I need when I'm doing the voiceover to. Actually, it's one thing when I say I want to go to France is another place when I've been to France. And I think that's the. The difference.

[Julian]

Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. You should have come to fucking Italy with us.

[Tommy G]

I was too busy spying on Flock Safety.

[Julian]

Spying on Flock Safety? You flipped it around on him.

[Tommy G]

Oh, yeah. So the mission was this. We. We met up with this YouTuber named Ben Jordan who's done some of the best journalism on Flock that I've seen so far. And he's a very big tech guy, so he's. He's very sophisticated. He's undoing the camera showing the. The vulnerabilities. But anyways, we visited the Flock headquarters, and it turns out they had moved. And there's no signage on the building. The initial mission was to go there. We were going to film all of the license plates, which, for those not Flock safety is a license plate reader camera system that your city council or your local sheriff votes in. And the argument is, hey, it helps us track violent criminals. And we've seen it in action with the U.S. marshals, where there's a guy on the run for, you know, a home invasion, and they use it to track him to his house. They move in, they arrest him, you know, guy off the street. So there is positive use applications with Flock Safety. But it's kind of like data centers where these things are creeping into our cities without us really wanting them there. Like, the polls I put on Instagram and YouTube were both at about 90%. No, I don't want Flock in my city. So the exercise, we were going to film the employee license plates. Then we're going to run, go to Ben Jordan's house, run it through his algorithm. He made this little software program where we were going to track each license plate, and then it shows all the information that you can get from looking up someone's license plate, and it's a pretty revealing exercise. And so then the second thing we were going to do is put them under surveillance. And so we went to their first headquarters. No signage on the building. Completely anonymous. They moved out, and we had a little interaction with their security. They called the cops on us. Boom, we found their next location. We went there also. Nondescript building, no signage up front. And we were stopped by the doorman on the first floor. And the doorman, yes. And then the last one, we went to their drone headquarters, where that's part of what they're going to do, is like a first responder. They send out a drone to the scene that's surveilling as soon as something happens, which, again, could have positive use applications, no doubt about it. But. But we go to their drone headquarters, and it's a construction company is what the front looks like. And so we look around this entire huge building, nothing says Flock. And so what we do, we had an old Flock camera that these tech guys got off ebay. We had my camera guys.

[Julian]

Can we pull up what that looks like? Thief.

[Tommy G]

Yeah, they're building it. Might not even be listed. And the cameras, and this is part of the point is they're one of the biggest surveillance companies in the country, yet they obviously hold privacy as a really high regard, right? And so a lot of people see cameras like this in their city. So anyways, we started filming their employees, and when they would pull up in their car, and I'd be like, hey, sir, just want to let you know you're under surveillance, but don't worry. It's for your safety. And they were all spooked, and they get away, and I was like, running, running with their car with the camera. And then another employee comes up, and I'm like, hey, sir, do you work for Flock? He's like, flock? Never heard of it. What's that? I'm actually for this construction company. Like, okay. Probably not, but okay. Then the police Come in. They box our car in from leaving the parking lot. And even people in that. In that business area that were trying to just go to work, they held him there. And they're like, no, you gotta talk with this guy before you leave. And I'm like, so, are you detaining me? We have a showdown with the police where they wrongfully are just keeping me there, not answering my questions. Anyways, we talked to the Flock guy, and he. He's like, you know, I felt very unsafe. I said, sir, did you feel unsafe because we were filming you? He's like, yes. I'm like, oh, like, come on now.

[Julian]

Shoes on the other foot now, huh, partner?

[Tommy G]

Yes. And I don't know when this episode is coming out, but there's a chance that Flock is going to let us come back to their headquarters and actually talk to them. And I do believe Flock is a yin and yang. I don't want to just portray them as this evil company, But I think what a lot of people can get concerned about with Flock is one, the scope creep. So they initially tell you that they're coming in to. To track license plates, which, by the way, can be used poorly. Like any powerful technology. It's like the ring in the Lord of the Rings. It depends on who's holding it, whether it's good or evil. It's not the technology itself, but cops have been known to follow their exes or stalk people using it.

[Julian]

Oh, no.

[Tommy G]

But the scope creep is this. Now, I think they just did a software update where now it can listen to audio. And so once these cameras are in, just like with your phone, there's a automatic update that no one voted for, and three or four city council members approved just to put them in for the first scope creep. And now, boom. Now it's audio, now it's facial. And I think that the slippery slope that we are all worried about is one, how much of this data would you ever sell? And two, if our government becomes even more tyrannical and oppressive, how can this system be now weaponized with. You know, all it takes is one event to happen for all of a sudden nationwide. Now, for safety, we have to bring in the Flock system and all the other competitors, because there's many people that actually do this service to do this for American safety. And then that's where it's like, I feel uncomfortable, dude.

[Julian]

It's everywhere. It's obviously, we've seen the precedents like you're talking about whether you go back to the patriot act after 9, 11, and all the things they did there. But have you even seen as a side note here just on what you're saying, have you seen the FISA 702 thing that they keep.

[Tommy G]

Please.

[Julian]

All right, so Dave, can we pull up Trump Truth Social? Favorite platform that favorite guy to plat. You're a big fan of his, right?

[Tommy G]

Tremendous fan.

[Julian]

Tremendous fan.

[Tommy G]

I think he's by far the best,

[Julian]

best foreign policy we've ever had.

[Tommy G]

Yeah, I don't think he's really corrupt at all. Like his administration is so above board and like there's only like a few hundred million at a time that they like pilfer away and steal much. I think they're doing a really great job.

[Julian]

All right. Yes. So it's this one where is. Nobody understands this better me. Okay.

[Tommy G]

That's what he says about every topic.

[Julian]

Go up, thief, go up. Because I actually want to read this. So this was. This had to be a month or two ago. But he tweets out or truth. This was in March. So he truths out. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson and Senate Majority Leader John Thune have been working to pass a clean extension of FISA Section 702, a law that was passed by many years ago by Congress to collect intelligence on foreigners and non citizens. When used properly, big term there. FISA is an effective tool to keep Americans safe for those. For these reasons, I've called for a clean 18 month extension. However, the critical common sense reforms that were made, the last reauthorization of FISA must remain intact to protect the American people from abuses. Nobody understands this better than me.

[Tommy G]

He's a scholar.

[Julian]

Victim of the worst and most illegal abuses of FISA in our nation's history by radical left lunatics who lied to the fights of court to spy on me in 2016. I can't keep doing a presidential campaign in their attempt to rig the election in favor of crooked Hillary Clinton. That is why since my first day of my already historic second term, my administration has worked tirelessly to ensure that reforms are being aggressively executed at every level. Da da da da. With the ongoing successful go down.

[Tommy G]

Very successful go down.

[Julian]

Where does he say so what does it actually. Oh no, there's a. So there's a second one he did.

[Tommy G]

Definitely worth the full read on that one for sure.

[Julian]

Trump says give up lib. I'm willing to. To give up a little bit of freedom for safety. He literally did the backwards of the

[Tommy G]

Ben Franklin how they do it.

[Julian]

But that's insane. Like this is what. He even says that correctly. This is what they used against him to do the shit to him. And then he's like, but I'm willing to give up some of my fucking freedom.

[Tommy G]

How safety. How noble.

[Julian]

All right, here it is, right here. He goes, so this is from April 15th? Yeah. So he goes, and perhaps would be used against me in the future. I am willing to risk the giving up of my rights and privileges as a citizen for our great military and country. But he's throwing an exclamation point so that. That. That means, you know, it's all good.

[Tommy G]

This is where it gets really scary, because just like. Like, another point I eventually want to cover is when we've been looking into these data centers. Most of these data centers are serviced by Check Point, which is an Israeli cybersecurity firm. And their CEO went on camera and news station to say, the only way to protect the first Amendment or second First Amendment is to limit it.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Tommy G]

It's like, yeah. And so everything that invades our rights as a citizen is brought under the guise of safety. And the thing is, there's a slight truth to that. Like, is China more safe than the United States right now? Yeah. I don't think in their major cities, they have a Memphis or a St. Louis or Chicago issue. But they're also. You can't rebel. You can't say your opinion. So, like, at what level do we want to trade our safety for freedom and. Or vice versa? And I think that's the continuum that we always have to balance. And I think if our government had a wonderful, immaculate reputation of taking care of our people and not doing all this nonsense, it'd be easy to trust. But you know that as soon as you give up that initial inch, they take it a mile.

[Julian]

100%. They do it. It's more than a mile. I mean, and they do things in back rooms while they're distracting you fighting over something else. Like, even with the data center thing right now, which I think is really important, we should talk about that. Like, I'm like, what's this other shit they're doing on the other side while everyone's fighting over Kevin o' Leary's fucking flip flops. You know what I mean? Like, there's always something with that where my head's like, what's this a distraction for? No matter how big the story is, I hate that I have to think that way. But that's how they roll. The mattress industry is full of markup marketing and brands charging a fortune for something Ghostbed builds better for half the price. Just something to keep in mind before you overpay for the same night's sleep. Ghostbed is a family owned company with over 20 years of mattress making experience. Every mattress is handcrafted in the USA and Canada with premium materials cooling built in from the ground up, real support that holds up over time and none of the inflated price tag. Their mattresses 50% less than comparable brands and the quality doesn't reflect that gap. Right now Ghostbed has over a hundred thousand positive reviews from people who made the switch and haven't looked back. And right now they're going to give you a 101 night sleep trial so you can find out how great the mattress is for yourself. You're also going to get fast and free shipping and a Warranty up to 25 years, twice what most brands offer. Not sure which mattress is right for you? Head to ghostbed.com julian link in my description below and take their mattress quiz. A few quick questions will help you match with the right Ghostbed in their collection. And and right now Ghostbed's 4th of July sale is going to give you $200 off mattress bundles and my listeners are also going to get 10% off the top of that as well using my code Julian at checkout. So once again, that's ghostbed.com Julian link my description below. Promo code Julian Upgrade your sleep with Ghostbed, the makers of the coolest beds in the world. Some exclusions apply.

[Tommy G]

Seaside for detail the matador waving the flag and we are the bowl. And it works because why wouldn't you look at the red flag? We're just trained to look at the red flag. And it is, I think we have grown up in a country that historically is a very high trust country pound for pound. I mean yes, there's always been corruption but like there's a lot of places around the world where measure to them we are a very little least corrupt country and but I think we have to get a wrap our heads around that. Things are changing and I don't know if it's the falling of the empire or like people are just sucking it dry before the golden calf, you know, before we're just discarded. But it's almost like we're too polite too. Like, because other countries when this stuff happens they immediately hit the streets. Like Albania when Kushner is trying to build the bunker. Hundreds of thousands of them hit the street and they shut it down. Why is it so hard for us to do that?

[Julian]

Because we've never been invaded and it fucking shows the last time we were invaded. Besides the two major terrorist attacks of September 11th and Pearl harbor, which were one day attacks, was the War of 1812. And so we have always had geographic privilege in this country with oceans on both sides to protect us. And the people in the north and the people of the south, we have problems obviously with the cartels and, and shit like that coming from the south, but from a geo, political, economic, like military power. Yeah, they haven't been that for Mexico probably for at least 150 years, relatively speaking to us. So we don't understand like when you go to these other places, pick anywhere on the map, go to Saudi Arabia, go to China, go to fucking Greece, go to Russia, go to Ukraine, go to even the UK which is an island, like there's always some sort of like size geopolitical, economic tie threat that's right there in front of them. What it doesn't mean, and this is where your points well taken, is that we don't fucking have that here. We just have the illusion that it doesn't exist because we're separate, we're better, we're complacent. Like that's how people think.

[Tommy G]

And it's also our own doing it. Like they want to kind of tell us. To me it feels like propaganda that like China wants to, wants to take us down right now. Like to me, my what's threatening to me is not a Chinese official trying to maneuver on the chessboard. It's my own government trying to do things that repeatedly like they take so much of your taxes and then instead of putting it in infrastructure, they put it in war. And we've been taught that anything that our own tax money would go to help us as an entitlement. But when they waste our money, it's business as usual. We've just been kind of trained to accept that this business as usual pattern is, I think most people are finding it intolerable. And the cool thing is hitting the streets across the country, even my own neighborhood, I have neighbors across the political spectrum. Like we're all kind of starting to meet back in the middle and say we're ready to shake hands and unite.

[Julian]

That could be the great thing about this moment. You know, I've been quote, unquote, now they have the term for it. I've been Black pilled since 2017 and it felt like for a long time that was like the frustrating part when I would talk with people not just on the show but like just in general who were like firmly left or firmly right and not try to change their opinion or whatever. But show them over the years my perspective of, like, why. I think they're all kind of the same.

[Tommy G]

They're blind to half the problem.

[Julian]

Yeah. And for a while, it felt like it would never get upstairs for people. And over the last year, like, having conversations with people on both sides of the spectrum, there's some things that get upstairs. And I'm like, ooh, you know, maybe that could be a good thing to come out of this. But, you know, I mean, are you starting a tax revolution? Is that. Is that what's going on out there in fucking Milwaukee?

[Tommy G]

I don't want to give away all my tax. What's happening? Just for the. For the record, in case the IRS is listening, but let's just say

[Julian]

I

[Tommy G]

think we're getting a little more creative this year.

[Julian]

Getting creative. Don't tell Dave. He's an IRS agent at night.

[Tommy G]

I think we owe. I think we owe it to ourselves to. That's the only leverage we have. So I'm just. I'm keeping a little bit back. I'm keeping maybe, like, a good percentage back of what I should be paying right now. Oh, I don't know if that was a. Well, actually, you know what? Let me just say this. And that might actually completely change due to the fact that the accountant that I'm not working for is following Trumpian accounting, which you. You know this guy.

[Julian]

I know this guy.

[Tommy G]

And so to me, it's actually like, not only will I probably end up paying less, I might get a refund, but I'm now playing by the rules that the people collecting our taxes use anyway. So it's like, fudge, you guys. Like, I was. If. If the country was flowing smoothly, people were doing great, Affordable housing, affordable health care, all that stuff. And I'm paying my, whatever, 41%, okay? But because it's going to shit in a handbasket, I'm going to follow the Trump rules that when I pay more in taxes than Donald Trump, dude, I get fired up.

[Julian]

You should get fired up. But it's like, there's also. It's been a while since I was in the finance world or whatever, but that was one of the craziest things to learn about is the creativity with which the ultra wealthy will legally. Like, actually, I'm not even talking about illegal stuff, but the legal stuff of loopholes to not pay taxes, whether it be funneling it through fine art, which, like, I didn't even know that was

[Tommy G]

a thing before I was like, color crime.

[Julian]

Yeah, like, all, like. But that's. That's the point. Like they can legally do it. Cuz, by the way, who are the people paying the people who make the laws who set this up? Them.

[Tommy G]

It's the epine class.

[Julian]

It's the Epstein class for sure. This is cool though, bro. Cuz like, when you and I first met two and a half years ago, you know, you had really blown up your channel. And we're already one of the best documentary filmmakers on YouTube and everything, doing amazing stories down, like in places people didn't want to go and stuff like that. But you've really expanded the scope.

[Tommy G]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Of what you do now. And now I look at you and I go, yo, if we're talking about like the Mount Rushmore YouTube of like, investigative journalists, where it's gonna be any kind of story any given day, you're on it.

[Tommy G]

I think I have some work to do. I appreciate those kind words, but this is what happened is because most of the stuff we covered early on in the channel were a lot of hood videos. Gangs, hood crime, which at that time was really fun to cover. Then we had a team meeting at the end of last year, and every single one of the guys on my team, four guys that are hustling four editors. Three. Four shooters. Three editors, I should say. And together that's four people. All of them said, I've had enough of the hood. Like, we just got to do a lot less. It's not fun anymore.

[Julian]

Miguel didn't like the trap houses.

[Tommy G]

He. That was a little fun. Plus, that was a new break in the action. But we covered it like a Business Insider episode. And I'll tell you about that in a little bit. But I wanted that. The meta for this year is busting corruption and then people's champ story. So what are issues that 80, 90% of Americans really care about? And our. So the data centers, the Israeli military merger, the Pentagon wasting our money. I want to cover stuff that the average American sits at home and says, this channel sees what I care about, and it feels like we're fighting for them. And so that has been a fun. A fun shift that we want to continue.

[Julian]

Yeah, we'll keep doing it because, like, and. And it's really, you know, you open yourself, especially when you start getting involved in the things that the very wealthy people in this country like to keep their rackets going on. That's where you start to hit the baseball bat against the. Against the. The bees nest.

[Tommy G]

And yeah, there's definitely a handful, many pieces actually, that I'm nervous when it gets launched because I'M like, okay, how is this going to go? Like, for instance, the most recent one I would say would be questioning the Jewish rabbis about questions that are floating around the Internet. And especially my algorithm was like, yeah, I really want to know some of these answers.

[Julian]

So what kinds of. What kind of questions?

[Tommy G]

Questions like, what do you believe about the current state of Jesus and what some of these guys. I would say this is more Chaba Orthodox would be the primary sampling site. So this is representative of the whole umbrella, but would be, you know, Jesus is burning in hell and sperm or semen or a shit. Questions like, you know, what is a goy? And what do you think of a goy? And is there a supremacist notion? Questions like, Palestine in the west bank, can Israeli settlers just take that land? And they were. These guys were. Acted like they were blindfolded, like they've never seen a news story about what's happening in the west bank, when in fact Hobat settlements are all over the West Bank. And I was very.

[Julian]

That. That was just like, total. They've been propagandized or they're just genuinely feigning shock. But they know exactly what's happening.

[Tommy G]

They have to know. They invited Ben Gvir to their 7070 building. No. And they marched in the streets with smoke Rich. I believe. So it's like, these guys have to know what's going on. But it's funny because we each looked at each other like we were each existing in our own propaganda bubble, which to some extent is probably true. But what I really felt good about after this episode is I talked to nearly everyone from that episode, and they were all happy. They thought I represented them well. And they wanted me to do a part two, which to me was like, okay, because I didn't want to. I'm not in this to, like, whack people with a hammer. And it's weird in an investigative piece, I still want to be friends with the guy at the end of the day, if it's possible. Like, I still want to highlight what I think is off. Like, to think nothing's happening in the West Bank. You're out of your mind. Like, how can you even believe that? But the fact that he was like, you know what? I thought my piece came out. Well, you can come back and cover the Hobbat movement. Perfect. Thank you.

[Julian]

That's. That's great to hear that that's how they looked at it. Because I know that it's. It's getting into the territory where you are asking hard questions, because there are objectively some horrible things going on right now. And we see it to where it's also now like pulling in an entire race of people, some people of whom there will be, like, rabid Zionists here. And it's like, okay, fine, you believe in the existence of a Jewish state. Cool. Does that mean you should support every fucking thing they're doing? Does that mean you should support Benjamin Netanyahu or the Ben GVIRS of the world? Absolutely not. You know, and. And you have to ask people those kinds of questions. So when you go do that, you make a full documentary and everything, they know some of the previous content you've done, and they're like, hey, come back and do more. I think, you know, we haven't seen a lot of positive signs with this whole situation. That's. That is how at least the conversation starts. And maybe, maybe something downstream happens, but you can't, I don't think you can fix the issues going on with the actions that the Netanyahu government has taken without two things happening. Him and the people around him being voted out and gone.

[Tommy G]

Which is likely, it seems like at the moment.

[Julian]

I hope it's likely, but he's the guy that never dies, bro. And secondly, there also needs to be hard conversations about the relationship between us and the Israelis. You know, I have no problem with having allies around the world. I have a problem with when allies are doing or making us do things that are not in our best interest.

[Tommy G]

We're attaching ourselves to the most diabolical country probably in existence right now. Like, the things people are doing are unbelievable. And I think. I think the average Jewish person is in a little bit of a tough spot because on one end, throughout their history, it's been an us against the world type of feeling. And so they only have this. This one place, and it's this pretty small place. And so it's like, it's like any tribal mentality, even if your tribe messes up, like, you handle it internally, but you don't want to show to the outside world exactly that you're. There's squabbling or infighting or you don't agree. And because they're so vastly outnumbered, I think they just feel that way. But what I am curious about is what percentage of Jewish Americans agree with the tactics of the Israeli government. I think, yeah, I think it's because I was, you know, I was driving through my community the other day and I saw a Jewish community center. I'm like, okay, I'm just going to look at their website and see like what kind of stuff goes on here. And sure enough, on a weekly basis they're inviting a IDF soldier to talk about the courageous, brave struggle of what they're facing out there. And it's like, I thought these were the more like I was in my head, I'm like, okay, these aren't like the more right wing Orthodox types. Like, these are guys that you, you wouldn't even really know that they're Jewish. When you walk around, they walk around your community. So I'm like, I thought, and if from what I, how I've broken down the political spectrum is you got the, the secular guys who could be on either side, the Reform Jewish folks that are more pretty progressive, left wing and then they're conservative, which is more middle. And then you have their, their Orthodox, which is right wing. And when I saw even a group that I thought was going to be more on the middle or left side of the spectrum having propaganda meetings and then for IDF soldiers and also I think recruiting is done for the IDF through these different jcc, which is okay, yeah. But the other thing that I thought was pretty hilarious, like the jokes write themselves is I'm like, you know, I just want to, maybe I just go in and talk to these guys, you know, I saw to have coffee to talk about contemporary Jewish issues. It was like a 72 charge.

[Julian]

And I was like, 70 for what?

[Tommy G]

To have coffee at the Jewish Community center and just sit around and talk about current Jewish issues.

[Julian]

72 bucks.

[Tommy G]

And apparently that number is significant. Like it's like multiples of 18 or something is are significant. They charge for their things and maybe that's how they fund their rabbis. And I don't know. But I just thought, could you imagine going to a church or a mosque and the priest being like, yeah, you can come talk about current Catholic issues, but it's going to cost you $72.

[Julian]

Nuts.

[Tommy G]

Because the other thing that I think we have to wrap our heads around with, there's a lot of insular Jewish communities. So you want to break that down a little bit, let's pull it up.

[Julian]

In Jewish tradition, giving gifts and charitable donations in multiples of 18 is a widespread custom because the number 18 represents hi, the Hebrew word for life.

[Tommy G]

So apparently I was giving them four lives. If you break it down mathematically, four

[Julian]

lives for a coffee and a nice combo.

[Tommy G]

The thing is, some of these groups are very insular. They do not want to integrate. And you see that in New York. And I think that's another thing that Americans are struggling with are because we're the, hey, we're the melting pot of the world. You got all these different cultures coming in and innovating and then we have these other cultures that they come in here and then they, they don't want to integrate. And then it seems like the other thing that's crazy is a lot of these places that don't want to integrate are also heavily using the welfare system. And so like here's, here's a story that I want to dive into. The compare and contrast of this. There's. I think you should be allowed to self segregate. I don't think that's an issue.

[Julian]

If Jewish like your ethnic community. Yeah.

[Tommy G]

If like an orthodox Jewish community says hey, we like because they have impressive schools. Like they have wonderful things happening where they have really. I admire the community that is in that is there wonderful family traditions. So if they want to do that, cool. But it should be on their own money, not the American tax dollar. Now on the other side, you have a controversial movement in Arkansas, the return to land movement, which is a whites only movement. And they are doing it purely funded. And now they have, I believe it's a Jewish activist out of St. Louis, a lady, a Jewish lady married to a black man that applied only to try and sue them and now is suing them again. The jokes right themselves and but it's like how does, how does this white group, they're not allowed to do it on their own dime. But then we have to subsidize and there's a common friend. I'm not going to name them because let's just say three letter agency. Common friend in the area, he investigated the Orthodox communities and he found that in some of their remittance scams they hide their assets. That some of these, these orthodox Jewish families are getting $70,000 in benefits per kid. And then when you saw Tyler Oliveira's story, so they're super subsidized. That's how they can go to the Shiva Yeshiva all day and study. But then also they're damaging the public school system, sucking resources away, hijacking the city council, shutting down that school and buying that school in pennies on the dollar while subsidized by the American taxpayer. So to me do it segregate, that's fine, embrace your culture, but do it on your own dimension.

[Julian]

I completely agree. And what you saw happen to Tyler after doing that video. Yeah, it doesn't help the fuck you want to talk about, like not helping the stereotypes and stuff. Summer cooking is Officially in season. Steaks on a random Tuesday, burgers for the boys, breakfast before a long day outside, and those nights where one friend stops by and suddenly you're cooking for the whole crew. And while everyone loves to talk about the grill, your pans are still doing a lot of the heavy lifting. If your cookware sticks, burns, heats unevenly, or turns cleanup into a full contact sport, it's not making you a better cook. It's making your life harder. But that's where my friends at Hexclad come in. Hexclad completely changed the game by combining the performance of stainless steel with the convenience of non stick. All in one pan, one pan, no stick, stainless steel. Everybody wins. Hexclad gives you a proper sear, great heat control, and cleanup that doesn't turn into a whole second job after dinner. You've heard me talk before about how much I hate wasting time in a kitchen throughout the day when I got to do. And I completely agree with Hexclad. The cleanup of all these different brands that claim to sell you good cookware is the biggest pain in the of all. But with Hexclad, it's true. You can cook the hell out of a banging meal, throw it in the sink, and everything's clean in seconds. With over 1 million customers and over 50,000 5 star reviews, there's a reason chef Gordon Ramsay uses Hexclad at home. And it's not because he's an idiot sandwich. And by the way, all these pans come with a lifetime warranty. So it's literally the last set of pans you'll ever need to buy. Hexclad's 12 piece set is the ultimate all in one cookware upgrade. For a limited time only, my listeners are going to get 10% off your order using our exclusive link. Just head to hexclad.com Julian. That link is in my description below. Once again, that's hexclad.com Julian. When you go to check out, they're going to ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them I sent you at H e x c l-a d.com Julian, you know, Tyler is a. He's a shock gonzo journalist. He's always been that. He is like the South park of YouTube creators. He attacks everyone, starting with fucking straight white males all the way down. There's no one who's safe.

[Tommy G]

When he hits your city, he's looking to hit it with a nuclear bomb.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. And so, like, you know, people don't have to like that content. I think it's really entertaining. He's funny and does a great job with a lot of his shit. So he does all these videos where it's like insert type of group here in the title. Then he does one in Lakewood and inserts Jewish in the title. And he gets canceled off of Patreon.

[Tommy G]

Then he has multi six figure hit, I'm assuming, on that. Oh yeah, like he took a considerable. He took a pay cut, six figure

[Julian]

a month, I believe. And then he sets up his own site online, free. And a couple days later gets banned,

[Tommy G]

like from two different website platforms.

[Julian]

Gets banned from the website platforms. And it's like, are you kidding me? Like, that's absolutely crazy. And I got a call from Jim Dioria, who didn't know that I knew Tyler Oliveira, okay? Ex special agent in the FBI, Jim Diorio. And he was like, he goes, yeah, you, bro, I gotta tell you, there was this crazy documentary on YouTube. It's all the stuff I told you about five, six years ago that I investigated.

[Tommy G]

That's who I was just talking about.

[Julian]

Literally.

[Tommy G]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And, and I'm like, which one? He goes, this kid, Tyler Oliveira did one on the Lakewood. I'm like, yeah, that's my boy. He's just on the show. He's like, bro, he nailed it. And yet he's getting canceled for it. Getting canceled for things that are truthful. And it's like, just because it's, it's that group. And like you raised a point about a few minutes ago about the pressure on, on, on Jews to not say anything who, who disagree with this. I have tremendous, tremendous empathy for that. Because what happens is every time, and I've talked to people off record about this who are afraid to say anything, every time they do the group of like hardcore Zionists emanating from Israel itself and then having some minions here, attacks them, calls them self hating Jews.

[Tommy G]

They're a very aggressive group.

[Julian]

Dude, it's awful. It's awful, man.

[Tommy G]

Yeah. And that, that's the other thing is like when you're dealing with people that are sue happy, they like that. And also they like, they finesse the legal system. Like that's how. Okay, each, each culture specializes in their own level of criminality. So for instance, the Chinese right now are doing great in the marijuana business. They run it in Maine, they run it in Kansas City, they run it in New York. You know, there's all type, like each culture, but the, the Jewish level of crime and the other thing, okay, this is the Other thing I want to break down in New York, we all know about the Italian mafia. We have many, many movies made about it. We don't ever talk about the Jewish Mafia. There's not many Hollywood production that have covered the Jewish Mafia once upon a

[Julian]

time in America there's one.

[Tommy G]

But there's many, many dozens of Italian movies about that. But I saw it firsthand when I was celebrating Purim with Jewish guys. About 20, 23. Super fun time, amazing hospitality, amazing food. And Purim, by the way, for those that don't know, it's like this one day of the year where you're almost encouraged to get drunk or people are wearing costumes. It's like a Jewish Halloween frat party extravaganza, family. You get catered, you have people playing music. It's wonderful. We had so much fun. Yeah, I shot it and it didn't get a lot of hits, but it was an extremely fun time and I'm grateful for the hospitality I got there. It was awesome. But we walk into this house in Crown Heights, beautiful mansion house, and they have this famous Hebrew singer, Keegan, might have to say his name, older guy with a big white beard. And we need that. Who's that? Hebrew singer, Keegan?

[Julian]

Old guy with a beard.

[Tommy G]

Who's the Hebrew singer that we saw? No, it was.

[Julian]

But they had a picture of him when you walk in.

[Tommy G]

He was there.

[Julian]

Oh, he was there.

[Tommy G]

He was there. And so we were, we were about to freed Avram freed. And so we were about to film this party and they're like, no, no, no cameras down. There's made men in this building.

[Julian]

Made men.

[Tommy G]

And I'm like, what? These are like, guys look like rabbis in here. What do you mean made men? And the other thing is like, how are you a rabbi and a made man in a mafia? And that's interesting. And all this to say my point about knowing about the Italian mafia but not knowing about the Jewish Mafia is one of the things I am trying to tackle without trying to unnecessarily hammer a group of people is like, why are we aware and talking about certain levels of crime and not other? And that's like the two tiered system that it feels like is like because we're, because we, we came here to look into deed theft. And it's a complicated issue. It's a multiracial issue, by the way. But a guy, Solner Sanford Solney, he, he got caught stealing 11 homes from people. And let's just say this is worth at least tens of millions of dollars. He's on house arrest right now. I know guys that did 10 years in California prison for stealing 80,000 from a bank. So why is it that this guy gets house arrest or the guy Jim Diorio was investigating, what happened to him? He got almost no time.

[Julian]

One of the guys got time, but he'll barely.

[Tommy G]

Right.

[Julian]

He'll tell you about all the guys that they didn't even. He didn't even get to open the investigation. They had to close the investigation.

[Tommy G]

And so one of the lawyers I was talking to yesterday was talking like, look, the power structure in New York, I mean, that the. The police commissioner or the police. Yeah. Jessica Tisch. Jennifer Tisch. Her family is a real estate mogul. Family. And. And when you have all these. The other thing is. So this is not just a Jewish thing, but white collar crime is not prosecuted. You. It's not punished the same way. Like you have a guy in Harlem steal $80 from your gunpoint. He's going away for a while. But someone does deed theft where they steal your house from. From underneath you, that's worth one to $4 million in a new York neighborhood, they might get house arrest.

[Julian]

One crime's got a pen, another has a gun. That's why I'm not agreeing with it. I'm just saying.

[Tommy G]

Yeah. So anyways, it's been going down a rabbit hole, but I've made a lot of friends in the process, too. And like, there's this ginger rabbi that I met, Ethan Eaton, I have to say, the Hebrew way. Yeah. He wants me to come back and he wants to be looking the Hobbat tradition. I want to learn more about these guys because that's the end of the day. What I am motivated by is curiosity, a desire to learn. And historically, I get invited back when I go places, and I hope to continue that as much as I can.

[Julian]

You're a very likable guy. And I think that once people actually, people may have an idea because of what they have been told, where you have a different opinion than them on something. And then if you get face to face with them, I think they're always going to like you because you are genuinely curious and you should be able to ask some of these questions because it's about finding some common ground.

[Tommy G]

I want common ground.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Tommy G]

I want common ground.

[Julian]

Absolutely. But it's like, you know, the. What's the Chappelle joke? He's like. He's like, when it's the blacks, it's a gang. When it's the Italians, it's the Mafia when it's the Jews, it's just a giant coincidence. And you should never talk about, you know, like, what's nuts is that didn't used to be a thing. Like when I was, I was studying the Mafia in high school, like crazy is when no one was looking at the Mafia. And I was obsessed because I got assigned a paper, I think sophomore year in European history about where I had to write about the origins of the Sicilian Mafia. And then I started going down the rabbit hole and I learned everything about the Mafia and the whole like Jewish mob, Meyer Lansky, Bugsy Siegel, Murder Inc. All these like, it was very cut the documentaries everywhere.

[Tommy G]

Badass operators.

[Julian]

Yeah. And now it's like they don't talk about that as much. Whereas like Meyer Lansky and Lucky Luciano built that city right there. Was literally built by them. You know, you have the Italian Mafia and the Jewish mob right there. And so there's something where it's like,

[Tommy G]

oh, well now you know, Well, I mean, can we speculate on why Hollywood wouldn't have shown movies about the Jewish Mafia?

[Julian]

Speculate. Like pure spec.

[Tommy G]

Right? Just, just like shot in the dark,

[Julian]

you know, Shot in the dark, you know, who knows?

[Tommy G]

I can't really think of any reason.

[Julian]

I can't think of any reasons either for sure. But it's, it's, you know, it's an interesting. I'll be very interested to see if you're able, not like with necessarily chabad, but with especially like the secular community and stuff if you're able to get some people to talk. Because I know, I just know how scared a lot of people are to do that because they don't want to be canceled by what I would argue is not their own kind, by the way, but what they'll call by faith, their own kind.

[Tommy G]

Yeah, I mean some of them are non political. Like one of my best friends in the world, the guy who is whose house I visit the most. And I just called this morning when I was doing my little stretch and push up routine. He's a secular Jew. And like that's the other thing that really makes me feel weird when like I didn't get. Actually I rarely got labeled an anti Semite in this last piece, which I was expecting to like get thrown to the roof for being an anti Semite. And it's like, it's so confusing to be like, hey, there's a lot of guys I love that I spend more time with than anyone else I know. And then like, just because you cover a controversial issue, that means you Hate somebody.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Tommy G]

And it just, it's a, it's a. That label is losing its power too. I think it was kind of like in the George Floyd era where everyone got called a racist and it just like, dude, like you can't just throw that at anyone or sexist, you know, like.

[Julian]

And look what you got out of it. Look at the culture now. You got Nick Fontes. That's what you get when you do that. When, when you lie to people over and over again, then it flips hard the other way.

[Tommy G]

The pendulum always swings.

[Julian]

But it's like when you went to do that though, that first one in October where you went, I think it was like, called like Investigating APAC or whatever.

[Tommy G]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Which was another brilliant documentary. That was your first time swarang into this issue.

[Tommy G]

I was nervous, dude.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Tommy G]

I remember being in the shower a couple of days before that would get released. Just like should I do this? Should I not? Was really going back and forth.

[Julian]

What made you want to. Want to look at the situation?

[Tommy G]

Cuz the thought I had in the shower is what is the point of having a big channel that has like I, I could be a very small part of this hive mind that starts talking about something. What is the point of having a channel that has reach if I'm going to be scared to talk when the real issues come?

[Julian]

Now what happened? Because by the way, that was an excellent documentary. It was about 45 minutes long and it. You went out of your way to cover both sides of the issue as

[Tommy G]

much as possible with the IDF soldier being featured who by the way agreed to a part two of a different story because he thought I covered him fairly.

[Julian]

Is that Duran Kaider? Yeah, yeah.

[Tommy G]

The propaganda machine himself from my point of view. But he thinks I'm a propaganda machine so I guess to shit.

[Julian]

But he still likes you.

[Tommy G]

I don't know if he likes me because we had a very testy second interview that when I interviewed him about the West Bank I was actually pretty pissed and I, I, instead of being like a calm. What do you mean by that? Which is what I did in the, this most recent piece. I just. Hey, depopulate. What do you mean by depopulate? I, I had a different kind of tone with Doran. I was very giving it back to him and being just kind of being a little boisterous.

[Julian]

What was he arguing with the West Bank?

[Tommy G]

Oh, that it's actually the Palestinians attacking the Israelis. That oh, this is Judea Sumera, that this is their land. They kind of use a whole different Lingo. And they also use a whole different time frame. I think the big disconnect is Americans look at this issue from what's been happening since October 7th. A lot of the powerful Zionist folks are looking at what happened 2,000 years ago. Hey, this is our land that we had for many centuries. Then we got expelled. And I'm reading Bibi's biography. I think it's like 600 or 700.

[Julian]

Glad you're actually doing.

[Tommy G]

And so we're just like, hey, we're just coming back to the land that we actually had for many years. And I guess that to be fair, maybe what the Israel perspective is, if there were smartphones when the United States was moving in, exterminating the Indians and doing all that kind of atrocities, we would be. We would be the same level of what Israel is doing now. So I think, like, Israel might be saying, when they say, like, it's anti Semitic to hold us to a double standard, why can't we take our land back the same way that you took yours from the Indians? Yeah, like, a part of me says, I get it. But I do think the smartphone is gonna help keep things in check that were atrocities before. It's doing a better job of saying, well, hey, actually this is pretty terrible. Like, we don't want this anymore. Right.

[Julian]

I think about this all the time. And it's not just us either. There's a lot of countries around the world, and different points over the past couple thousand years obviously were formed because people came in and kicked the other people out. I think the differences. And in their defense, this part is not their fault. The timeline is not their fault. But the difference is we're talking about a state that was created post World War II, in 1948, when there was, for now, a form of global media and people could see things. They didn't. Yes. They didn't have smartphones back then, but, like, you understood that there were people that were living there, and now there's not. Or they're kicked out and there's a new country that wasn't there before, whereas 400 years ago, it took fucking 12 weeks to get a letter across the river or across the ocean just to find out.

[Tommy G]

And there weren't graphic video images. That's right. Hey, we just slaughter this entire native village.

[Julian]

That's right. Yeah, that's right. So it's a different world in that way. But, you know, to your point, this. This is a weapon. In.

[Tommy G]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And this is a weapon too, of course, In.

[Tommy G]

In.

[Julian]

In. In different ways, because you can forget a. I'm not even talking about AI. That's a whole separate conversation. But you can take a narrative and make it real thin and not show the full context of the horizon and what's happening. And that does happen in both directions. But to your point, it's like I have put a governor on, if that's the term you want to use, on basically all content since October 7th in either direction, is like half of its AI or fake, and the other half is true.

[Tommy G]

You've been listening to Doran Kadar. Huh?

[Julian]

What?

[Tommy G]

You've been listening to Door on the.

[Julian]

No, no, not at all. What I'm saying is. What I'm saying is Dorian Kadar will tell you 100% of it is not true. There's nothing to see here. It's actually the total opposite. The Palestinians are attacking people in the West Bank. It's total bullshit. If you put a 50% governor on and say half of what I see is fake, that other 50% is horrific. You don't. You don't need.

[Tommy G]

You can't unsee it.

[Julian]

You can unsee that 50%. It's real.

[Tommy G]

And that's why America's. That's why, especially like, everyone under 40 is so stirred up, is because we've been bombarded by these images on a daily basis for the last two, three years, and it's. It's become untenable, and we don't want to be a part of it. And what do you think would happen if I. Let's just say shot in the dark? I mean, if the Nelk boys got him, and I'm not going to give him the, like, the goy propaganda interview, but if I were to interview Benjamin Netanyahu, one, do you think he would ever accept. And two, do you think it would help or hurt me, me, even if I ask some hard questions?

[Julian]

Well, you would definitely go at him.

[Tommy G]

Can you imagine what Mossad would do to my house, my phone?

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tommy G]

Before that interview and after.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's, you know, kind of terrifying. I just don't. I'm kind of at a point where there's. I don't know. I think about this a lot, and I go back and forth. I don't think there's an upside to interviewing a despot.

[Tommy G]

Yeah. Just from a. It's like when. When psychologists go to a prison, interview a serial killer, like. Because you can learn a lot from

[Julian]

that psychological profile publicly. I agree. You can learn a lot.

[Tommy G]

The books are written about. Like when. When a psychologist goes to a prison profiles, 20 serial killers, and then composites like, this is the childhood patterns, these are the adult patterns. There's something to learn from there. Is it better to just completely not talk to someone or let the mainstream media give them their. Like, the Fox News interview?

[Julian]

Yeah, no, it's, It's. I, Like I said, I go back and forth on this. Like, you can't do what Nelk did. That was a disgrace. Because they didn't have a clue. They didn't know a single thing about anything. And just talk to them and like, oh, what's your favorite hamburger? Like, that just was beyond the pale. And they, they, they deserved the backlash they, they got for that, for sure. Cause it's also like, guys, this was being set up by the White House. And then the whole, like, Israeli security teams coming in there and prepping questions ahead of time. Like there weren't alarm bells going off in your head. Like, me. Maybe we. Maybe we should stay away from this. It's like, you are. With a guy like him, everything he does is so on his terms and controlled that it's very hard to win. I completely agree that being able to do a psychological profile and later study it, which. It's great that you're reading this book. Told you. That's like. Tells you who he is right there. But I think it's great for the record. It's just what can be used if you're recording something for public consumption on a territory that might not be yours either. Maybe you're going to him. To his office or something like that, and then little things go wrong or whatever. How could that then be used as a. For a boomerang effect? You know what I mean?

[Tommy G]

Also, I think he'd be a guy like, I'd want to study. Like, you'd have to dial in. I'd want to be so immaculately prepared to talk to him because he's. I mean, he's a MIT Harvard educated man. Like, it's. I'm. My IQ compared to his is like I'm playing checkers and he's playing chess.

[Julian]

He is. You should never, ever underestimate someone just because they're a bad person, for sure. Which you seem to understand very well. He. He is a brilliant man. Like, there is nothing he does that is not supremely calculated. And he has lasted this long, despite all the mountains of things that have happened against him in his career, because of that, for sure.

[Tommy G]

I think when you interview someone at that level, I mean, I got a little pushback from interviewing Nick Fuentes, but Like, I actually think, like, I don't know if I would. There's no one I would not interview. I'm almost on the coin of. And I don't even think Nick. Like, I'm not comparing Nick to Benjamin Netanyahu, by the way. I think, like, Nick has never killed anybody. Nick has never caused a violent, you know, regime to take over a group of people. I'm not trying to put them on the same level at all. And I think he was a very fascinating guy to talk to. But I would interview. I feel like if I had the opportunity to interview Stalin or Hitler or Mao, say, Tung, as a person that likes to talk to people and wants to interview the best, I think it's a worthy challenge to look at.

[Julian]

It could very well be. I. I don't know. Like, it's so hard for me to. Especially, like, when we're live talking on camera about it. So hard for me to, like, express how I look at it. Because I. I do agree that, that. What's the old phrase, transparency is the best light or something. Something like that.

[Tommy G]

But light's the best detergent.

[Julian]

Yeah. Lights the best. Deterred something. It's something like that. But, like, I've just seen him run rough shot over people for. So. For decades, when you go and look at it, like, he just find. And. And then even when he looks bad, he still gets to do things on his terms. And it's like, would he just take advantage of the situation? He could. I mean, he's. He's a great speaker, obviously. Like, he's used the whole. Growing up in America and having a Philadelphia accent to his advantage with, you know, American media and the American people throughout his career. But, you know, if somebody. I. I think you could do as good a job as anyone because you also feel strongly about it as long as you kept your wits, which I think you could.

[Tommy G]

Well, I think is fascinating about him is he has been. Well, we're talking about this off camera. His grandfather was a big Zionist movement guy. Like, he would go on speeches around Europe and fill auditoriums, fill theaters and talk to people. His father was a great historian and writer and influence pedal peddler for the Zionist movement. And I think just in some ways, it is a miracle what they have achieved and how they've turned their. That situation into something where they're actively expanding and actively growing. I guess what I would be curious is when you're talking to someone that feels like all you hear is propaganda. If I said, hey, Mr. Netanyahu, tell me about The Israel expansion project. What do you say? Oh, that's just because he said in his book that when Yasser Arafat was saying that in the 90s, that that was, you know, anti Semitic propaganda. Objection. But it does seem like that's the plan right now. And so like, I'm curious, like, would, would he adjust and say that's real or would he deny it at any rate?

[Julian]

Yeah, he calls any, any time you go to speak against the government in Israel, he labels it as anti Semitism. And that is ridiculous. When I, first of all, I shred my own government here all the time. That doesn't make me anti American. I shred the Chinese government all the time. It doesn't make me xenophobic. I shred the Russian government and Ukraine governments all the time. It doesn't make me russopho and Ukrainophobic. I shred the UK government sometimes. It doesn't make me lundophobic. But if I shred the Israeli government, Benjamin Netanyahu say, no, no, no, you can't do that. That makes you anti Semitic.

[Tommy G]

That's their get out of jail free.

[Julian]

Yeah, fuck you. Like, it's such, it's such bullshit. And, and like I said, I'm really glad you're reading his autobiography because the thing about sociopaths is they genuinely believe their own bullshit. And I couldn't believe like in retrospect that he actually wrote that book because he thinks it makes him look good. It does not.

[Tommy G]

I think he came off as a like as, like, it's an enjoyable read. He comes off as a compelling figure.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Tommy G]

But actually I think there's an investigation that we might be having to do pretty soon. And the audience that's listening, if you guys can think of the gayest US Senators that aren't out as gay, we will be looking into that further perhaps at a later date. And I think that would be a fun one to pursue.

[Julian]

Now you say that because we were talking about this all fair there, there are, what's it, section 224 and section 226 right now being proposed within legislation that involves a litany of things regarding the relationship between the United States military intelligence and Israeli military weapons manufacturing, the

[Tommy G]

opportunity for Israeli companies to set up shop here, massive data sharing provisions and framework that allow us to keep giving more money to Israel without us being notified about it and no notification. And guess who wrote the plan and is claiming responsibility for that? Benjamin Netanyahu. He claimed responsibility for this. He's like, this is, this is great. This is part of my plan. And we'd interviewed. So the chief Democrat pushing this is Congressman Adam Smith and he sits on the, whatever the military committee is, that would be oversight on the budget. And so we interviewed him about this, this Pentagon failing the audit. It's failed the audit every single year that it's been around. And we interviewed him about why. And I do want to get more into detail because I think it's a, a worthy thing. But as we're about to push out this video next week, all of a sudden we, we see this section 2 to 4 Israeli US military merger. So at 11:30 today, we're have to pause this podcast so I can interview Adam Smith and learn what we can from him. But it's just this thing where how are we going more in bed with this country that is deeply unpopular? And it's just like I think the overall theme that's most frustrating, that almost gives me a sense of despair. Sometimes it seems like our politicians, local, state and national keep doing these things that nobody wants. Does the majority of people not want data centers? Correct. Do the majority of people not want surveillance cameras? Correct. That's the local level. Then you move up like, do you want to keep raising taxes? Do we want to keep going to war? Everything that we don't want it seems like our politicians are doing. And I guess the thing that always gets to me is it's happening so much in our face that I think despair is definitely creeping in the country. And that's when we were talking about at the beginning, why do other countries meet in the streets and march and protest and actually change things and why don't we? And there's many factors, but I think part of it is because the bombardment of it in the last few couple years has been so strong. Where the Bill Clinton Monica Lewinsky blowjob story was a months long scandal, now a massive scandal. Kristi noem can funnel 143 million into a shell campaign for her advertising for her job. And you know, that was created eight days ago. She does that. No one, no one blinks an eye. It's out of the news cycle in two days. Oh, insider trading is going on every time Donald Trump tweets that the war is over. Hundreds of millions of dollars. Like there's so many things that we could say have happened that I think it's almost conditioning us to just not respond anymore.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's noise. They drown. They drown. They drown out the loudest voices by just creating crowd noise everywhere. And everything becomes a distraction for distraction oh, they finally pushed the Epstein files out. Let's make sure we hold it until Friday afternoon. The fucking week before Christmas. Oh, fuck. They're talking about that, you know what? Somali fraud. Let's astroturf that to the fucking moon now. Let's invade Venezuela six days later. In and out, whatever. Oh, fuck. They dropped more Epstein files on January 30th. This one really bad. They're naming everyone in that thing. They're even talking about, like, pizza and. And that. All right, we got to get rid of that. Let's, you know what? Get that scientist missing over there. Let's invade Random.

[Tommy G]

Do you believe it's that targeted and calculated, or is it just.

[Julian]

How can you not at this point? I was. I was having a conversation with someone last night. I said, how many times are you going to say something's a coincidence? How many times? They've been doing this forever new.

[Tommy G]

Like, if it happens 109 times, like, is it a coincidence?

[Julian]

Chuck Schumer, since he has been in office. Media genius, okay? He's been in office since the early 80s. Do you know that he has a press conference every Sunday morning in New York? Every Sunday morning, the fucking guy has a press conference anywhere. Cameras are rolling. Everybody wins. And he could be. He could be talking about, you know, the fucking size of the trees outside. He does this because he knows that he'll be at the top of the Monday morning news cycle when the week starts. That is how these guys in these places operate. It is news cycle, news cycle, news cycle, and now the news cycle. There's fucking four different major social media platforms that people use at all times. Five or six, whatever it is. There's mainstream media that has just this generation, then there's just this generation who's over here. Then there's this story here and that story there and this tweet there and that thing here. And the algorithm pushes voraciously over and over again, content, content, content, content that they can just drown it out. How many people besides me do you hear talking about the Epstein files these days?

[Tommy G]

Well, it was everybody, and now we're still aware, but other things have taken the seat.

[Julian]

Do you know how crazy that is?

[Tommy G]

Yeah.

[Julian]

It's the most prolific crime of my lifetime.

[Tommy G]

There's more news about the drop. About it. You see the nipple?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Tommy G]

Scandal.

[Julian]

Yeah. We're gonna.

[Tommy G]

Apparently, Donald Trump is big into nipples, which I'm not against that.

[Julian]

I'm not.

[Tommy G]

I don't know what he did to the nipples. I guess I have to, like, look at the. The real information. And J.D. vance's take on it was. It's not the worst thing that we've revealed. Why don't we just push this out and get it over with?

[Julian]

The nipple thing?

[Tommy G]

Yeah. He has a dire election. That's what they.

[Julian]

They dire Elixian.

[Tommy G]

That's the phrase that we like sucking on him. I mean, I'm not. I don't have anything against that.

[Julian]

I have nothing against it, but, like, what's the big deal? Then why is he upset about the nipple thing? Good nips. Nice.

[Tommy G]

I think he hopes that it's probably over with. Like, hey, we've talked about it. It's done. His personal attorney is pushing under the rug. Is that illegal, too, to have, like, your personal attorney promoted to that position?

[Julian]

Todd Blanche, Will, I'm not a fan of political lawfare at all. I think this is a very dangerous cycle we're in, where when one party gets in, they just go after the other. It started, I would argue, mostly in, like, 2017, when they. When, you know, the DOJ went after everyone with Trump, and then during the Biden administration, they literally went after Trump and stuff like that. And now you see Trump doing it to everyone else because he's pissed off about it. I think it's very dangerous. Todd Blanch is looking to me pure spec here. Like, he will be someone who is prosecuted when the next Democratic administration comes in. And I not only won't feel bad, I will enjoy the shit out of.

[Tommy G]

I hope he goes to the Georgia prison system.

[Julian]

Yeah, that'd be. I feel like he'd learned his lesson going there, right?

[Tommy G]

Yeah. I mean, there's gonna be a guy. So right now we're doing an investigation the Georgia prison system, which is arguably the most deadly place there is in America, concentrated, where, if you compare Memphis, Tennessee, which is about five or six hundred thousand people, they are the most murderous city in America. The Georgia prison System is about 50,000 people, and they have as many murders. And so right now, there's guys walking around with gigantic shanks during Black History Month. They tie up white inmates, and they put them on dog leashes and walk them around. If you come in unaffiliated, a good chance what will happen to you is they tie you up, they take pictures of you, and they say, if you don't send a thousand dollars right now for Julian, we either kill him or he can't sleep in a cell. You have to pay to sleep in your own cell. It's staffed at about 30%. And so anyways, I think when we think about all these political actors. I think they should get sent there.

[Julian]

I think so, too.

[Tommy G]

Which would then give an incentive to clean up that prison system, pull in the National Guard or whatever. Or may do a massive hiring operation where it's safe again, which is if that's how they take care of it, then find, you know, the politician gets to live safely, otherwise they have to deal with what the common man is dealing with.

[Julian]

Yeah. And. And it's what it. What it really is for me, and this is what really pushes me over the edge with someone like a Todd Blanche, is the general apathy that he has towards the things that people care about, like Epstein and stuff like that. The disdain that he. And the. What's the. I'm bad with words this morning.

[Tommy G]

Thief.

[Julian]

What's. What's the word for, like, looking down on someone. You know what I'm thinking of?

[Tommy G]

Arrogance. Disgust.

[Julian]

Ah, but there. There's a word I have in my head right now. I can't think of it. Sorry, people. But like the. The pure. Oh, patron patronization that he has with anyone who dares to ask a question

[Tommy G]

about this, as if we're the bad guy.

[Julian]

And the denial of the whole thing of, you know, this isn't whatever. It's nothing like what you're looking at. And I. You know, I have no evidence of Mr. Epstein. You know, there's no tapes of him. Oh, so all the tapes that have been reporting, including by your old boss, who then suddenly said she didn't see them after seeing tens of thousands of them, those weren't real. All the guys from the NYPD who pulled out all the tapes from his New York City mansion and most of them killed themselves afterwards, that they saw nothing there. You.

[Tommy G]

He thinks we're retards.

[Julian]

No, that's exactly right.

[Tommy G]

They think they're like, retards.

[Julian]

You're a peasant. Let me feed you my slop. And you're gonna eat it. There's a good boy. It's like the old de Blasio video when he was telling people to get the vaccine. He's like, hey, come on in. Here's the. Here comes the fucking hamburger. You know, it's just. It is. It's Follow Rome type shit.

[Tommy G]

So we were talking about despair, but here's where we the people have a really cool opportunity. And with the smartphone, we all can do it. Is. I really think there should be a campaign of heckling, jeering.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Tommy G]

Calling out where anyone. If. If Todd Planche goes to the grocery store, someone should be there to Heckle him, push them. Pressure.

[Julian]

Verbally. Don't touch him. Verbally.

[Tommy G]

Do it verbally.

[Julian]

No, no, I'm dead serious.

[Tommy G]

No, I'm serious.

[Julian]

I'm not 100% First Amendment rights. Don't give him an argument.

[Tommy G]

But if he tries to go to the gym, and not just Todd, but all of these people that are even your local city council member that voted in the data center, despite the entire town showing up, they should be publicly pressured because the fact that they don't feel it already, like, hey, I have this tremendous responsibility. I'm. I'm using your taxpayer money to make decisions that impact all of us. And I take that to heart. I'm going to choose the best. For some reason that is out the window for a lot of these people. So there needs to be the public pressure and campaign and we all like if we just. The analogy I keep thinking of is the bug's life. If the ants unite, we can beat the grasshoppers. All of us ants need to use our smartphone and let them know what the hell is up.

[Julian]

I love your visuals, bro. I use the. I use the. I can't boil the ocean, but I'll boil my pot probably every other episode because like your visuals with that shit is amazing. What I mean, to be very clear is don't give these people what they want. Don't go physically assault them or stuff like that. Don't give them leverage.

[Tommy G]

Don't go to prison for these.

[Julian]

Right, Right. But you go and absolutely practice your First Amendment right. When Howard Lutnick shows his face at a Knicks game, he should not be able to go one side. Oh yeah. Of courtside.

[Tommy G]

And nothing happened.

[Julian]

And nothing. That's what I'm saying. You should stand there like this, very close to him without actually physically touching him. And he should not be able to go anywhere without hearing you, Howard, you disgusting scumbag, or whatever you want to come up with. I completely agree. I think, I think that we're in a moment now where the elite class forget even just the Epstein stuff. The separation of their reality and their complete lack of self awareness of that from the average American is at a point where it's not sustainable. Because this, this part is also growing in size. Not monetarily, but like the regular American is growing in size and they're shrinking in size with elites with just way more money per person that it's just, it's not sustainable. Like, Tommy, I can't afford a house around here. I've had a top 100 podcasts for the last 19 months. Do you know how crazy that is?

[Tommy G]

That is absurd.

[Julian]

It's absurd, you know?

[Tommy G]

And now this is brought to you by Rain bet so that Julian can afford a house.

[Julian]

But like that's how separated the elites are from the world now because they, the value of a dollar has just plummeted. Every time I order groceries is 400 bucks, you know, but they don't care. That's just residual income through their fine art.

[Tommy G]

Yeah, I think, I mean, I saw Julian Assange quote, that was pretty creepy to me. I don't know what year this was, but basically he said the, the goal right now is to bleed the United States and Europe by the transnational elites through war that are local and also for the sake of Israel. And it was all tied together and I felt, it felt fitting and it felt like, like some of these people think that we're following biblical prophecy right now. And let's just look at this quote. So I have it right. The goal is an endless war, not a successful war. The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax base for the United States and Europe through Afghanistan back into the hands of a transnational security elite. Did I just add Israel? Is there a part of Israel? I'm pretty sure there's an Israel part in here somewhere, but. Well, if you look at the transnational elites, I would say a lot of them have roots or ties to Israel anyway.

[Julian]

So some of them do. But then if you look at like a Bilderberg fucking group, you say Berg.

[Tommy G]

Yeah, there's no ties to Israel. I'm just saying, like, I'll just call it like it is.

[Julian]

But I'm saying if you look at the actual, like. Did you see the guest list for this year of all the people on the commission? Could we pull that up for Tommy? I'll give them this for the commission outside of socioeconomic class. They got the diversity thing checked off, bro. There's one of everything on there. There's one, everything from every country.

[Tommy G]

What's this commission?

[Julian]

The Bilderberg.

[Tommy G]

Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Where is that? Where does that take place?

[Julian]

So this year it took place in Washington D.C. and it already happened. And there was one journalist there.

[Tommy G]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They like transparency, those people.

[Julian]

Yeah, they're a huge fan of it. But like that's, that's where I, that's where I get to the whole, you

[Tommy G]

know, don't over focus.

[Julian]

Yeah, the Israel thing, where there's a

[Tommy G]

lot more players on the table.

[Julian]

Evil. That's happening right there. And then use it as a stamp. It.

[Tommy G]

I think this is the problem is for us, Israel is the closest thing that we have to be angry about for another country. But if you go to India, it's Pakistan and then like each country and then India probably over focuses on Pakistan. It's just whatever country is in vogue right now that feels like it's running it up on you. That's where you want to focus. And I agree. Yeah, maybe my focus on Israel has been like it's been too much of the portfolio and I need to dial it back a little bit. But as far as what is directly feels like it's affecting me in the future of our country. I feel like I'm not so far off.

[Julian]

No, I think it's a conversation has to be happened because I'm not saying this to minimize it. It's a shoot soup du jour of the moment right now given the fact that our taxpayer dollars are help funding genocide. Like I mean it's. And, and that you know, it's also being like literally funneled into our government in the sense that the minute someone had dares to say, you know, I think genocide is not a good idea. They get voted out of office because money from APAC and other place super PACs related to it comes in and gets them out.

[Tommy G]

Yeah, we got over $30 million in Kentucky to take out one of the great American patriots, Thomas Massey.

[Julian]

It's nuts.

[Tommy G]

And there's another one just recently that they just took. Well, I mean we'll see what they do with Graham Platner out in Maine. But let's look at, let's see some of these names.

[Julian]

Bilderberg list from Dan Dix, who was the Dan Dix Middle school.

[Tommy G]

Must have been tough. But then he's giving us the list.

[Julian]

But you see it. Look at, look at the countries there.

[Tommy G]

Can you zoom in just a little bit? I don't know if my eyes are

[Julian]

getting just the first page right here. Usa, Italy, usa, Great Britain.

[Tommy G]

Can you give me a little more zoom here?

[Julian]

We're trying to. It's not zooming. Sweden, Belarus, Austria, Canada, Denmark.

[Tommy G]

I mean to be honest, I also think part of it is you have to look at the last name because someone can be from.

[Julian]

Oh yeah, for sure. But I'm saying even if you look at the last names, this is representing every kind of thing in the book. That's, that's the point. And it's like who was the one whistleblower that said that? God, there was a, there was a whistleblower. He died like 20 years ago.

[Tommy G]

Oh, whistleblower that died. Yeah, that never happens.

[Julian]

But he was talking about how, you know, it's. They'll. They'll use. He'll use Israel as just the. Oh, let's put all the attention on that to kind of distract from this because there's good material there to use. You can make. Take the 10% and you know, stick a zero behind it to hide what you're doing on the other side. And again, none of that is to minimize the issues there and what they're doing. But I'm saying when I, I do wonder, and I've wondered this since the beginning, if part of the psyop is to just pay attention to Israel and complain about them incessantly all the time, as if that's the only problem in the world.

[Tommy G]

Yeah. My wife's getting sick of it from

[Julian]

all the other things. Yeah. And. And like there's a lot of problems going on in the world. That's one of them.

[Tommy G]

But you know, see, like for instance,

[Julian]

like Rishi Sunak, you know that like

[Tommy G]

Sweden, Wallenberg, Deutschland Wide Burger, Teal Peter, Sweden, I think.

[Julian]

I'm pretty sure Berg is a very common.

[Tommy G]

I'm sure it is. It's just the tip of the iceberg.

[Julian]

Yeah. But you have, you have all different kinds of people in here, for sure.

[Tommy G]

Sunak, Rishi, that may be.

[Julian]

Yeah, he used to be, he used, yeah, he used to be the prime Minister of, of Great Britain. You had diplomats, you have current prime ministers, heads of intelligence.

[Tommy G]

Well, I see a Greek guy right there, medium well from Greece, but Papa Papadopoulos. Yeah.

[Julian]

And whatever. Kiriaku's periods, you know, they, they got every day, they're, they're well diversified, just not socioeconomically speaking. But the fact that things like this now are so out in the open and they can't hide it anymore and people are like, oh yeah, everyone that was talking about that 20 years ago. It's a very real thing.

[Tommy G]

Or like random youtubers can just sneak into. What's the grove with the, with the owl. Bohemian Grove. And thanks. Thanks to Alex Jones for leading the charger. Or do you see Scientology buildings are just being stormed left and right.

[Julian]

Oh, it's hilarious.

[Tommy G]

By like 19 year old kids. So it's a pretty cool. That's the weapon we have in our size 100.

[Julian]

Yeah. You did the big Scientology documentary a year and a half ago.

[Tommy G]

That one was a really fun one. And that was another one where before posting it, I'm like, am I going to have a private Investigator tailing me, am I going to get sued? I'm going up against a multi billion dollar religious entity. There's been a few of those where I do get a bit of butterflies and a bit nervous before we go live. But then once it's, once it hits, I feel very proud. And I also see the feedback from people like, and then it inspires more people because I'm not the first guy to cover Scientology. I'm not the first guy to cover Kenneth Copeland. I'm not saying I'm a trailblazer there, but for instance, even speaking about Israel, once we each put our little piece, then all of a sudden it emboldens everyone to do it. And if I can be a small part of that river being flowing downstream, then it feels pretty good.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's the key, man. I think just like when you can set an example for being fearless, there's going to be people that feel emboldened by that in a really good way. And I think it does feel like the last couple years I'm knocking on wood here. There's been a way bigger opening for that happening.

[Tommy G]

The question is, we need a brave, fearless leader who's going to be that person that is eloquent enough, smart enough to understand taxes and like they can go across the political board of knowing how to fix things. And I don't know if I know. I don't know if you guys love or hate Mandani. I haven't really looked into him, but he seems kind of like that prototype politician where he's so smart that he can speak well on almost every issue. And he also, even though he's so smart, he can speak to the common man in a way that he's not talking over your head, which is interesting. But who is this? Who is going to be the politician that emerges? Or is it just going to be another Republican puppet, Democrat puppet. But I really am praying for somebody to come from the ashes that's like, this is our guy. We're going full steam behind him.

[Julian]

And I hate to be a cynic, but I just don't see it. They can't even get fucking seven term Massie back in office through a primary when he's objectively, he and Ro Khanna are like the highest approval rating congressman in America. You know, they put in the fucking cool real estate guy, reality TV star from New York, as the outsider. He's the world's biggest insider at this point. I would argue in his first administration, which I now am starting to just think was a total Front, you know, he. He what? He still had some outsider aspects. It was chaotic, but like, there was. There was certainly aspects of that there now. I mean, you know, he's an establishment. Yeah, it's not even establishment, bro. He's transferring all our data over to Palantir, who funnel his campaign day one in the Oval Office on like January 21st. He's doing press conferences with Larry Ellison and Sam Altman. Does that feel like an outsider?

[Tommy G]

Oh, Larry, he's a great guy.

[Julian]

Yeah, Larry's an awesome guy.

[Tommy G]

He was probably on that list.

[Julian]

Big fan of the show, I'm sure. But, you know, he's on your Patreon. I'm pretty sure he's on my Patreon. Checking it out as well. Shout out, Larry. But, you know, like, we showed it earlier, arguing for FISA 702, saying, Fuck the Epstein files, it's not real, it's a democratic hoax like Stanning Lynn, Lindsey Graham. Does that feel like an outsider?

[Tommy G]

Yeah, it's. I wonder what. Where the shift came with him because I don't know, like, did he get. Was he compromised in his first term, but he feels like he got like quadruple compromised this time around? There's a. It's a different Donald Trump this time around. It's a way more blatant and way more outlaw out in the open, doing over whatever the hell he wants. No, like, we've hit with. Some of this is ad nauseam. So I don't want to like keep hitting like the. The no new wars. I'm going to release the Epstein files. Like, everyone knows this. I'm not saying anything new, but it does feel like a new Donald Trump.

[Julian]

You want to put on the tinfoil hat with me?

[Tommy G]

He's a triple dimensional alien. No, a lizard walker.

[Julian]

I. I don't know. But I know that operations don't happen in a year. They don't think a year out. They don't think 10 years out. They'll think 30, 50, 100 years out. And I'm just starting to wonder if it was all designed this way.

[Tommy G]

There's. Don't you think there's too many variables to control to do something 30 years out? No.

[Julian]

Oh, no.

[Tommy G]

Like, because what. So Donald Trump losing was part of the plan for him to make a big number.

[Julian]

And that's where I'm starting.

[Tommy G]

But if you control both sides, it doesn't matter.

[Julian]

It doesn't matter. But that's where I'm starting to wonder because it's like. And I saw someone argue this online and I'm like, that's an interesting point where they're like, you know, the surveillance state and the, the real things that even the stuff that we have no idea about because it's never been brought public. Wasn't fully ready to go. Wasn't fully ready to go in 20. Wasn't. Yeah.

[Tommy G]

And even Donald Trump would live that long. He's an obese 70, whatever year old with a high stress, no sleep. Like, that's where it's like, I don't know, maybe someone really like and who they. Behind the scenes, it's like, I'm gonna.

[Julian]

It's a crazy idea for sure.

[Tommy G]

It's plausible. But yeah, who knows?

[Julian]

I just. You have to wonder why it is so opposite day and why it wouldn't have been the first time around. It. That just doesn't add up. It's not to say, you know, oh, he did everything right the first time around. No, but like there were. You could at least point to things where it's like, okay, yeah, that's whether you agree with it or not, that's exactly what he campaigned on. Oh, my God, he really is trying to do that. Oh, my God. They just tried to impeach him over bullshit. Like, you could point to these things and objectively say that there's not a lot you can say that about this time around. He's literally like, every single thing he does is the opposite of his old instinct, including looking at polls related to the most important things to many Americans.

[Tommy G]

It seems like he used to be a populist, but not really anymore.

[Julian]

Exactly. So that's what I want to know. What, they didn't suddenly blackmail him in 2021? I don't believe that at all.

[Tommy G]

I saw there's a post on Instagram where it was like, hey, people across the globe, what are news stories in your country that Americans aren't seeing? And one of them was that Trump was suffering severe health issues. I don't know if it was mental health issues. Maybe people speculate. Dementia, he's getting old. Could it just be simply a psychological thing where he's getting kind of turning into a cranky old guy with the last few years to live and he just. Just going ham.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's like the same things, you know, you seem falling asleep and stuff in meetings.

[Tommy G]

How could you not?

[Julian]

But these are the same things that they were hidden righteously. So, by the way, Biden for forever. And I, I don't, I don't think he's on a Joe Biden level by any stretch. Like Joe was really gone, but, you know, like, we shouldn't have 80 year olds running the country.

[Tommy G]

I agree. And it's a subject that we're not going to cover on a full bladder. So I'm going to be right back.

[Julian]

All right. We'll be right back. All right, we're back. By the way, dude, I said this earlier, but you're. Your videos going into D.C. with some of these other guys like Zach F. And stuff.

[Tommy G]

Great guy.

[Julian]

Given the awards for the insider traders of the year are some of. Can we pull up one of those? Dude, there's some of the best things I've ever seen in my life.

[Tommy G]

Oh, he had so much fun filming this. And for everyone that doesn't know this was a bipartisan issue. We highlighted four of our major stock traders and we gave them different categories and we had plaques made in Milwaukee, brought them to Washington D.C. marched into their office and gave them out. And it was. It felt very American.

[Julian]

That is. Oh, my God.

[Tommy G]

I don't know where the spike moment occurs if you can see by the

[Julian]

graph, but yeah, there's some on Twitter. Too deep.

[Tommy G]

The one where we kissed the wall was pretty good. So too.

[Julian]

Where. Where you saw the. You. You were kissing the wall with the two flags outside and then going. Who was that? Was that Mark Wayne Mullins office?

[Tommy G]

You were outside that just like one of like dozens and dozens of our politicians that has one country's flag all over the place.

[Julian]

Oh, my God.

[Tommy G]

It's all over the place. When you walk through Congress and you walk through the Senate, it's no surprise to see what is happening because it is everywhere.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, here we go. Let's. Let's hit this one right here. So this is you, Zach, and who.

[Tommy G]

Why am I blanking on his name? He's a really good guy. Oh, my God. He runs a page where he tracks trading and he runs like an algorithm where you can, you can follow what.

[Julian]

Not the. Not the unusual Wells guy.

[Tommy G]

No, he's close. Jackson.

[Julian]

Jackson. All right, let's head to the.

[Tommy G]

Oh, yeah, you can't insider trade either back. Hello. How are you? We email. We came all the way from Milwaukee to present different people with awards. Man, it's such a remarkable award. We think about people that have been public servants for a long time. Like what since 1987. We're giving her a lifetime achievement award in trading. The return. She's gotten better than hedge fund for so many years is so remarkable. And it's like to do that as a public servant, it's like you're working overtime for us, the Americans. Oh, is it? Well, insider trading's not allowed either. So Nancy, dude, this one big shout out, man. Good for you, Nancy. You're great. We're gonna do the numbers, guys. So she came into Congress at 1987 worth 3 million bucks. How much you worth now? Worth now 317 million. Oh, yeah, you can't insider trade either. This is notice. Okay? So whatever footage you have to the office, you can record me out. That's fine. In this hallway, fine. Inside the office.

[Julian]

Can't do that.

[Tommy G]

Okay. Doesn't own any socks, just so you know. You review this.

[Julian]

Doesn't own any stock. What a.

[Tommy G]

Her husband does it. Yeah, her husband owns all the stock. That's right. That's who. It's not her folks. A common excuse you'll hear from politicians when confronting. My spouse is the one trading, not me. This is the humiliation ritual our politicians during. Kevin K. Locks.

[Julian]

We made it though. Check come in the mail.

[Tommy G]

I have a few 7k checks coming in.

[Julian]

That's good.

[Tommy G]

To me, that's such the flimsiest excuse where it's like, oh, me, I don't, I don't stock trade. It's my wife who has a fine arts degree from, you know, Stanford. She's the one doing it all. She's the mastermind behind the family while she's a stay at home mom. Really.

[Julian]

You know, it's always impeccable timing too. Like there will be an amazing.

[Tommy G]

And then they sit on the committee for armed forces and they do the Venezuelan Mark, Wayne Mullen. He, he got this, his staffers got the Capitol police to confront us over this because the trades we highlighted with him is right before we went into Venezuela, he got some major oil stocks and a couple defense contractor stocks. And it turns out that actually gets you a promotion in Washington because now.

[Julian]

That's right.

[Tommy G]

He's the secret. The defense secretary. No, no, no, no.

[Julian]

Homeland Security.

[Tommy G]

Homeland Security Secretary. And clap it up for Mark. Mark.

[Julian]

Good job. Job, Mark.

[Tommy G]

We're gonna do this probably for a couple other categories. So we're going to look into the, the, the gayest ones that are not out of the closet. So Republican gays that are pretty funny that are doing the Christian values. But I think we might do like a good goy award too. Like the goyest senators.

[Julian]

The goyest senators, yeah. So most money from like AIPAC kind of deal.

[Tommy G]

That kind of thing. Or like, oh, you want to merge the Israeli military. Good goy. You get the military goy Someone will figure it out.

[Julian]

Your delivery, though, of like, just being able to keep a straight face but also be funny at the same time and have instantaneous singer comebacks for these people, when you're doing something like that while filming in their office is next level.

[Tommy G]

Thank you. That was to me, I felt like I was in my form. There's sometimes I do these interviews where, like, when I'm walk. When I'm going on walks or I'm in calm places, be the couple days before I go to this location, I have all these questions of all these things going on in my head where, like, this would be perfect to say. And then when I show up and somehow my mind is mysteriously blank and it's like, what am I gonna say now? So that was a time where it was like, okay, everything was firing just as it should.

[Julian]

Yeah. And defeat the faces of the staffers too. That's what gets me every were they

[Tommy G]

were initially, like, a little bit pumped about it. And that's so nice of you.

[Julian]

But they know, like, that's the thing. They know. You can see it in their eyes where it's like, he shouldn't be here. We're really upset he's here. Why the is this person. But they know. They know that everything you're saying is unfortunately, objectively a fact. And they are the little stooge sitting there and that, you know, they're making.

[Tommy G]

And that's why I didn't hassle them too much, is because I knew they just were there and they were just doing their job. But it is kind of nuts that you can pretty much march into almost anyone's office. I mean, there's certain offices, like when we went to interview Senator Schumer, you have to go to this underground because he's under the Capitol building. But his office is so beautiful. There's busts of Teddy Roosevelt out there. The hallways are so magnificent. It just felt cool to be in there to talk to him. But, like, a select few are kind of protected. I'm almost surprised Nancy Pelosi, as she was a Speaker of the House for a while, she's just in a commonly accessible office where you can just kind of march in. And again, that's how it should be. They're public servants.

[Julian]

Absolutely.

[Tommy G]

Anyone can walk into the Congress building or the Senate building and just walk around. No one tells you to leave. Even after we got caught doing this, the Capitol police were kind of laughing a little bit with us, and we just kept going. We went to Senator Rick Scott. We presented him with the don't want to be poor award because he's worth about. So I just let that do the talking for this one. For reference, this guy, he made a lot of his money in the biggest health care scam ever in American history at the time. Walked away with a golden parachute of like 2 or 300 million. And I think it was 500. Now he's up to 500 million because he's of all his investments. But his big thing was, I don't want to ban individual stock trading because I don't want to be poor. So we thought, you know, that takes moral fiber. We're going to go present him with a plaque as well.

[Julian]

Now, did you see Mike Johnson talking about this a few weeks ago?

[Tommy G]

Before we play this video, I saw the clip circulating Instagram.

[Julian]

So he basically says we're. And. And this is how you. Again, this is how you know, you have absolutely no understanding of the people that you claim to serve. He's sitting up there saying, you know, we make a really meager salary of 174k a year, to say nothing of everything's written off that they get to do, by the way. And it's such a sacrifice to be a congressman and incentive that we should be allowed to trade and do what we want to do. And it's like my brother in Christ, you are making the greatest argument ever to solve this problem. It's called term limits. That way you wouldn't have to make the sacrifice for too long. You could go make money. Because by the way, and I'm not even opposed to this, when you leave office, you were in Congress, in the Senate, you got big financial opportunities after that. That's the free market talk. And so no worries.

[Tommy G]

You should be. Yeah, you get to go work for Monsanto or Raytheon and then like campaign and lobby.

[Julian]

Yeah, absolutely. You know, and I may not like what you do or whatever, but that's the free market to where you can go out and actually cash in on it. So term limits. And then you can go do that. You don't have to guess what. Now you only have to sacrifice for six years and you're done.

[Tommy G]

This one I feel like, was stifled. I feel like with what we had in this episode, compared to the reach our videos normally get, this one definitely was stifled in the algorithm. It felt like compared to normal. I don't think some congressman is moving the levers on it. I just, I'm a little bit surprised given what we did and where normal videos do that. It's not it didn't do a little better.

[Julian]

What would? Insider trading is the topic.

[Tommy G]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

That might have been it right there.

[Tommy G]

It's one more thing.

[Julian]

Trying to, to scroll and find it because we don't have the individual video.

[Tommy G]

The next one is Mark Wayne. That's Mark Wayne, Mullins office. Yep.

[Julian]

And then there's Rick Scott. Okay, let's do it right here. That's perfect. Thanks, Steve.

[Tommy G]

If you make, let's say, 25 return on a stock and you file it

[Julian]

months and months late like Katie Britt

[Tommy G]

did, you get a 200 fine and you get to keep the returns of the trade. Trump just experienced this. He made 3, 600. 3,600 single stock trades. 200 fine. But it's, it's just a few seconds past this. Yeah. What a. What a. Who would you say are the, the people leading the charge to bad stocks and who are the people leading the charge to? Not bad. If you fast forward just a little bit more corruptible, like a very special award. We have a guy who said this.

[Julian]

How many of you don't want to make money? Anybody want to be poor? I don't.

[Tommy G]

So this idea that we're going to

[Julian]

attack people because they make money is wrong.

[Tommy G]

Rick Scott is notable because he actually was part of the biggest health care fraud case in US history. His company got 14 felonies against it from the Department of Justice. But he walked away from that pretty handsomely. We'll, we'll check the numbers, but it's about like 200 million. I believe he walked away from it. I apologize, Mr. Rick Scott. Let me correct myself. It wasn't $200 million. It was $300 million. Recap. Rick defrauded Medicare and Medicaid out of hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars. When put under oath, rick invoked the Fifth Amendment 75 times. His company pleaded guilty to 14 felonies, but he walked away with a $300 million gold parachute. Bald usually is a better U.S. senator who really loves Israel. Rick Scott, thank you for your public service, sir. Currently he has about half a billion dollars and modest. When they asked him, do you want to ban stock trading, he said no. Does anyone here want to be poor? So he gets the inaugural. Don't want to be poor. We are a committee traveling all the way from Wisconsin to award bipartisan excellence. And we were looking to present senator with a plaque. Is there any chance he's in town for a minute to.

[Julian]

He's actually not.

[Tommy G]

Oh, man. Oh, man. Us Wisconsin guys can't schedule that. Good. But is it Possible to give him the plaque or have someone give him the plaque. I just thought that would be huge. That would be huge. We just thought it was really notable and remarkable. When asked if there should be insider trading or stock trading, he said, I don't want to be poor. So we're giving him the I don't want to be poor award. He's a public servant only worth half a billion dollars. I mean, it's a tough time in this economy, and I think no one deserves this award more than Senator Rick Scott. So let's clap it up, guys. He doesn't want to be poor.

[Julian]

14 felonies. Beautiful,

[Tommy G]

cheap executive. Zach is the fucking. That was a great mission.

[Julian]

I can't wait to have him on. I've been talking with him a bunch.

[Tommy G]

Good dude.

[Julian]

He also, like, was deadass looking. Like your security. This whole video, just, like, standing there

[Tommy G]

like this, in the suit, mustache.

[Julian]

Love that.

[Tommy G]

Love that, dude. That felt so American. And the cool thing is, literally anyone watching this has the power to go do that.

[Julian]

Yeah. But it's. It's important to continue shining a light on it, because these. These are the people that, you know, claim to represent you and claim to understand your play.

[Tommy G]

It's unbelievable.

[Julian]

That's why I say follow Rome, because it's. It's all of them, dude. Like, every part of the structure of the class of, like, what you would call elites, they view us all like peasants. And it's just. It's. It's embarrassing because then when they get called out on it. No, it's your fault. How dare you question something like this? It's like, I should question something like this. You get insider information every day, and then you're making trades and profiting off of it. You. That's not what we did. We go to jail if we do that. You know, it's. It's. It's. It's absolutely crazy. You got to do more of these. Like you were saying, you got to go back.

[Tommy G]

And I wonder how long it'll take till they ban me.

[Julian]

Can they ban you if you're not. If you're practicing your First Amendment rights, probably not.

[Tommy G]

And if they try to. It'll only strike san effect.

[Julian]

Streisand effect 100. Yeah. I hope they ban you. It'll. It'll have a way bigger effect.

[Tommy G]

I don't know. I have too much fun when I

[Julian]

go to Washington, D.C. they'll have to unban you. That's why I'm saying I hope they ban you. They will have to unban you.

[Tommy G]

We'll see. I want to do a story on Thomas Massey there. I want to go there and cover how the Israel lobby defeated him. And then that's when I'll do. Actually, I don't want to give away too much of the sauce. Probably none of these people listen to that. But I want to give them a heads up of why I'm coming.

[Julian]

Right.

[Tommy G]

And also I do go there for serious issues as well. Right. Like, the cool thing is we can go do this. And like the day before, I'm interviewing both Arizona Senators Gallego and Mark Kelly. So we enter, like, the thing is, when we go to Washington D.C. we reach out to every single senator. And the only ones that take the interview are the, the sane ones, the reasonable ones, because of course they exist and rare rarely. Like Ron Johnson took the interview with me about Israel, but I don't know if he, he knew that I was gonna be going after him the whole interview and he didn't like that. That was a kind of an uncomfortable, tense experience because again, you're living, you're talking to people that are living in such another information bubble of what's really, really happening. It's like, how do you not have a smartphone? You're a senator. Like, you should be able to see what I'm talking about.

[Julian]

Well, you had had a previous relationship with him working.

[Tommy G]

We had a great time stories.

[Julian]

Right. I remember in old documentaries.

[Tommy G]

And I do appreciate, appreciate him inviting me in, even if it's a subject he doesn't agree with. I think, like, that's where Ron has done a great job when as I've known him, but I don't think, I don't know.

[Julian]

He wasn't ready for that.

[Tommy G]

And his answers were just like, dude, you should know more about these subjects.

[Julian]

The way you open that up, though, was that was for the Epstein documentary. I remember that you did that really brilliantly because you weren't a dick at all. You were just like, you know, we had the schedule and whatever. And then there was the vote last night. And I was really sad to see you said something like, I was really sad and frankly, like a little bit disappointed to see you, who I admire and have done good work with in the past, be one of the senators who voted against the release of the Epstein files. Why is that?

[Tommy G]

And he went, he started sputtering.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, man.

[Tommy G]

But it was a poison pill from the.

[Julian]

He's like, no, no, you don't understand. Oh, don't you love that?

[Tommy G]

You don't understand, dude, you voted against releasing The Epson files, like calm down. You're. But he's, he was one of, I think 50 or 51 that did that. And so that's the moral compass or what's the operating software inside the minds of a lot of these people is like, it wasn't like he was an outlier. This, that was actually what most of them did.

[Julian]

Yeah. Now this Adam Smith guy you're about to go talk to, he's supporting the 2 section 224 stuff.

[Tommy G]

He's co leading the charge.

[Julian]

Co leading the charge.

[Tommy G]

Him and the Alabama representative, Mike Rogers.

[Julian]

So Dem. Republican. Okay.

[Tommy G]

Unity. Unity for Israel.

[Julian]

Unity first.

[Tommy G]

That's the only place it seems like we get unity nowadays.

[Julian]

Have you had any off camera discussions with him?

[Tommy G]

I've interviewed him in full at our Airbnb in Washington D.C. and it was a pleasant interview. And then I was like, very like again, I'm disappointed. Like I like you now. I'm disappointed to discover you're the guy leading the charge here.

[Julian]

Oh, right. So what I'm saying is you, you haven't talked to him at all, off record or off camera about this subject.

[Tommy G]

This will be a fresh start.

[Julian]

Okay, what was the last interview with

[Tommy G]

him about the Pentagon failing its budget? Every single time.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Tommy G]

Because he sits on that committee.

[Julian]

How do you think he. I mean, I'm going to go watch it with you right now when you're doing it, but like, how do you think a guy like that can defend pushing a law like this?

[Tommy G]

I think he's going to say that it's going to make it more transparent, more systematic, where we actually have a process for this collaboration with Israel that's going to benefit us from an American jobs in the weapons tech manufacturing sector, which is arguably true. And I think he's just going to say like they are, you know, one of our great allies in the Middle east, so we should keep building with them. We've had great track records, records of success busting terrorism. I would guess it's going to be the usual trope. What would you say is going to be his common defense?

[Julian]

I don't know because I'm not that familiar with the guy, but let's go find out.

[Tommy G]

Let's do it.

[Julian]

All right, everyone, we'll be right back. We'll react to some of it when we get back. All right, we're back. That was interesting because a lot of cognitive dissonance going on there.

[Tommy G]

I think Congressman Adam Smith.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Tommy G]

Well, one that I appreciate. He talks rather openly for a politician in some way. So I think I'm glad we had that. But it was a weird thing where he's the first one. He's the first one on the horn to call out Netanyahu or ask for arms embargo, but then he sees no issue with formalizing the relationship further.

[Julian]

And how did he describe formalizing a relationship? You were asking. I was hearing some of it.

[Tommy G]

He was kind of saying like, we're already doing it. We're just putting it on paper now. That was kind of the gist I got.

[Julian]

But when he. The part where I was standing right there where he was talking about, well, we really want access to their missile systems and stuff like that, he was

[Tommy G]

asking, like he was acting like Israel was doing us a favor by this arrangement. He was like, they're not really gonna. Almost as if they're not gonna benefit much from it, but we are going to be able to use their technology for the iron dome level of stuff again.

[Julian]

But they're getting a lot of that. Not all of it, to be clear. That's not fair to say all of it, but a lot of, like, the military technology and weaponry they've gotten from us.

[Tommy G]

What would anyone quantify our relationship with Israel is they are the giver in it. I know especially with intelligence, they've never been known as the giver. And you can just ask John Kiriakou other guys about that. They are the taker and we are the host.

[Julian]

Everyone from the scale of kiriakou to bustamante that you talk to in that world that I've spoken with has told me some version of that.

[Tommy G]

So the idea that, oh, it just this nice thing that Israel's doing for us so we can benefit, it just doesn't feel like what I've seen in reality.

[Julian]

Yeah, he's definitely. That guy was impressively media trained, though, because you were really hitting him and he was not getting frustrated at all. Very, very unflappable.

[Tommy G]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I feel like it's one of those conversations where I asked the question I want to ask, but I still don't fully get it. Like, I felt like I didn't quite still get the answer or just didn't make sense that that always. Now we have the potential for Israeli companies to be in our soil, which I guess was allowed before, but formalizing. I don't know a lot about it. And I guess the one thing I was excited about was I got to say, look, the pulse of the people under 40. Adam, I just want to say this is none of us want this. It is very unpopular and we feel we like we're teaming up with the most diabolical country. And I thought he said, oh, interesting. Like he thought me calling Israel diabolical was interesting because he, he still call it like the threat of Iran. And I'm like, well you mean the, they call it the Iran war when they're the ones that got attacked. Like I think that's funny is the one, the person that gets attacked, it's their war. They get branded with that.

[Julian]

Yeah. And that, that's why we're so ass backwards here. And I knew this was going to happen before it even happened. It's like not the war itself, but I'm saying like what the narrative was going to be. You're putting people who are trying to be objective about this thing and like look at it. And clearly the evidence stacks up to this was not in our interest to do it very clearly. Talking about the United States, you're putting us, which is a large group of people listening out there in a position to where we have to defend the Iranian regime. No one wants to defend those fucking people or anything like that. I don't condone anything to do their people. I hope their people overthrow them at some point. Point. There's a huge difference though between you know, just invading a country you don't like and sitting on the sidelines with it because that's unfortunately like the way it has to go. People have to sometimes take care of their own problems because if you step in, you are going to cause fucking 10th order effects. That. Fuck you.

[Tommy G]

That's just it. In the future, people need to take care of their own problems. And even this congressman admitted that Iran is Israel's problem, not our problem. He said that. Yet we're the one that's going to put boots on the ground, which he disagrees with. Yet he's apparently spearheading this. So I just, I don't know, it just, it felt like it just. He said some of the really right opinions or to me, which hit home with me. But then at the same time he's part of the apparatus. Apparatus.

[Julian]

Cognitive dissonance. He's saying one thing and then the other thing that he's saying kind of can't be true at the same time.

[Tommy G]

Yeah, I couldn't.

[Julian]

Maybe you could make the argument that a part of it could be. But the, the strength with which he was like, oh yeah, this makes total sense. We're just formalizing it. Like come on, you ask him about his APAC guy That was one thing

[Tommy G]

I wish you would have jumped in

[Julian]

here and said, I could have passed that note. I'm sorry. I didn't want to step on you while you were doing it. You were really locked in.

[Tommy G]

Tag team's good. When we go to Washington, D.C. we can. Okay. It's like a Navy unit with cameras. That's what I feel like we are.

[Julian]

What the. When are you going down there?

[Tommy G]

I don't know. I would like to go before the end of the year before Massie is out, because I want to get his story. So that's. The deadline is somewhere before the end of December. Because right now we have a lot of interesting stuff recovering. Dude. Like, we just got to do a Clayton county sheriff ride along. So the jail you've seen me in, we did a ride along with their sheriffs. I totally understand why their jails are full. So this is what we would do is we would patrol and we'd. These guys had really keen eyes. So they would. We'd see pretty much a black guy at a gas station, and he wasn't pumping his gas for one second. So they'd be like, loitering. Boom box in his car. Go up to the window. Of course they smell weed. Clear them out, search the car, handcuff them. But the thing is, even though on the front end, it was like, what was the probable cause? It didn't feel like we should be there in the first place. On the back end. Okay. The guy had a switch on him and he had cocaine. It's like. So it's like the. The cops instincts a lot of times were right. But the pretense for getting them was off. There's another arrest we got to make where. And Keegan was on foot with this one was a cop went up on a guy with a towel over his lap. Just parked in a parking lot. And again, he was just parked in a parking lot. So, like, did a cop really need to interact with him? I would say, but I also don't live in this area, a high crime area, where you have to be proactive. Proactive police work is the framework that they use to go after high crime areas where you stop it before it happens by looking for the little things. Anyways, they approach this guy. The guy starts wrestling under here. And Keegan thought he was going for his wiener because he was doing something in the car, but he was going for a gun. And so the cop had to wrestle him with a gun. Then the girlfriend came out of a hair salon half braided. He threw her to the ground, too. And then we start looking through this guy's. Well, not me, but the cops start searching this guy's vehicle. They take. Take bottle after bottle of boner pills out, and we just couldn't stop laughing. And the guy's arrested in the back of a car, and we're laughing. Here's the last thing. He's like, come on, man, I'm 61.

[Julian]

That's the thing, though. It's like, you want the probable. You want to be able to stop crying before it happens. But you know, what's the. There's another. I keep forgetting, like, old quotes today. But, like, one innocent man in jails.

[Tommy G]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Worse than a hundred guilty ones on the street. There's something. The precedent of what that leads to, which we're seeing a lot of other examples in society with other things that we've talked about already today. In some cases where it's like, if. If you start to say, well, it's for a better cause, that we do it. And look, the. The ends justify the means. And what does that let you do? Yeah.

[Tommy G]

Yeah. I was wrestling with that ride along a lot because I respect those officers. They put themselves in very dangerous situations, and their instincts were so on that every guy that they ended up stopping did feel like a guy. Like, okay, this guy is definitely would have been involved in a shootout at some time in the next few months had we not stopped him. But, like, it would be, like, literally sitting at one second for a gas station, not pumping. Hey, he's not pumping gas. He's just sitting there. He's scrolling loitering. Boom. Boxing.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Tommy G]

That's heavy force for just sitting in your car.

[Julian]

I'm not cool. And they did that on camera with you guys repeatedly.

[Tommy G]

That was their tactic.

[Julian]

I'm not cool with that. I'm sorry.

[Tommy G]

Like, because if that was happening to you in your city, if you got boxed in at a gas station, but then these officers would say, look, you're naive. You're in a safe area. You don't know what we deal with. These are guys that, if you pull up their record, they've shot three people. We're really making our streets safer like that. There is a little bit of a yin and yang to their argument.

[Julian]

And. And let. Let me be clear. I'm not saying that, like, it's bad intentions on their part. Sometimes it is. You see bad cops.

[Tommy G]

Every.

[Julian]

Every profession has bad people. They have some too. But, like, a lot of times it's. It's good intentions, but, like, again, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, you know, so it's hard for me to like, if I were operating in a district like my friend Tom Smith was in, in one of the sections in New York where there was like, it was a 1 mile section, there were like 87 homicides in one year. Would I think differently? This was buck. What streets was that on?

[Tommy G]

Like, projects kind of stuff.

[Julian]

There were some projects in there. Yeah. It was a mixed bag. I think it was on the west upper side of Manhattan, I want to say. But double check me on that on that episode. But like, you know, I'd probably have a tougher perspective if I were operating in that kind of environment because people are dying, you know, there's nothing scarier than that.

[Tommy G]

And these are guys that are willing to do high speeds. Guys that might shoot at you, which actually it's more rare than you think. Like, given how many of these guys are violent and have guns, they really don't shoot at police as much as you would think they would like. It's mostly flee. Like, Keegan was on the scene the same day there was a 160 mile an hour motorcycle chase on the highway. And these officers in Georgia, most car thieves I know are terrified of Georgia because they do pit maneuvers and they can really get you. These cops kind of box the motorcycle in and the motorcycle crashed. Got unbelievable road rash, I think snapped ankle locked him up. And Keegan ran all the way up to the guy. Like next to his face. It was like, what's going through your mind, man?

[Julian]

Oh, my God. Sometimes it's like you guys are the modern day cops. Like the show.

[Tommy G]

It's a. Riding around with cops in a high crime area is so much fun.

[Julian]

You ever play like the Reno911 music while you're doing it?

[Tommy G]

I wish we would.

[Julian]

You should do that.

[Tommy G]

Yeah, that's a pretty good. I think they would appreciate it too.

[Julian]

They'd probably like it too.

[Tommy G]

And the. The cool thing is the channel is so far reaching that a lot of the police officers knew and loved the channel and a lot of the guys who were pulling over knew and loved the channel. So, like, there would be a guy with head tattoos and cuffs that just got boxed in at a gas station that I'm like, hey man, what's going through your mind? Oh, you just got out of prison for five years. Like, tell me what your plan is right now. And like, we get to have that where neither of them are mad that we're talking to the other guy in front of each other. And that to me, feels like a really fun tightrope that we're getting to walk.

[Julian]

Yeah. It's like, almost strange though, too, because, like, it's a real life thing. There's like, there's a arrest transaction, if you will, happening here, and you're just getting. Yeah. Can I get a live reaction to that? I know this is worst day of your life or the worst day this week for some people, but how you feeling right now? Kind of crazy.

[Tommy G]

Yeah.

[Julian]

This all started with prank videos.

[Tommy G]

Isn't that wild? You never know what things can pivot into. Because prank videos one got me even more comfortable in the hood because I was doing wild stuff in there. Doing homo rapping. That was rapping. I used to do gay rapping incessantly in the hood. And that was one of my favorite things. Like, that was one of my favorite hobbies of all time was sus hella sus rapping in the hood. And. But doing all that, I learned how to edit. I was learning how to work with videographers. All of it gave me the building blocks I needed to transition into documentaries. And I think a lot of us, we want to go from A to B like that, but we don't realize the little stepping stones along the way. If you use them right. Prepare you for that.

[Julian]

Yes. You have to. Like, sometimes it can. You can get impatient in that you want this thing to happen or this opportunity to come come up, and then maybe you get to the 50% point of what that is, and it happens nine months after you wanted the 100 point to happen, and you start to realize with time passing, like, oh, I wouldn't have been ready for that then. And I'm actually not ready for it now. But this was like a good. Now I'm getting my feet under me. You know what I mean? You have to play that long game.

[Tommy G]

I used to write goals when I was really early on in YouTube. Like, by December 5th of 2021, I'm going to have 15,000 subscribers. I'm have this many on Instagram. And what I realized is I really stopped doing anything that revolved around time or the numbers because I can't control either of those. And all I did was made my goals around activity. I will post one week, one week, one video a week for an entire year and see where I end up. I will cover these topics, I will learn these skills, because otherwise I would get upset with myself. If, you know, the wrestling school I had, if I didn't have 20 kids, I only had 15. Well, I didn't achieve my goal. And you do want to measure your goals. I think it's impo. Is important to be aware where you're at, but you really can't control that so much.

[Julian]

You can't. How do you. You know, now being. What are you almost six years in since you started your first videos? Something like that.

[Tommy G]

Something like that.

[Julian]

So how do you stay present and not constantly worried about the next performance metric, if you will? Right. Obviously, you just said, and I agree with you, don't write down time and view counts and the things that are out of your control, but you still have in your head the thought of I need to be able to be this big or, you know, progress in this way, and if I don't, are we dying? You know what I mean?

[Tommy G]

Yeah. To me, I try and look at life as one giant side quest bucket list, and that's all the ideas on the channel are like that. Like, okay, like the Atlanta trip we just went on last week, I think would. Is a very perfect summary. So we got there, and what we first did is went to the Georgia senators offices where we printed out folders that had these most gruesome photos of what's happening in the Georgia prison system. Like, unspeakable, barbaric. Like, Jeffrey dahmer would faint if he saw some of these photos. They were terrible. So we went to five different senators that were on this commission, gave their office the folder, boom, hit that. Then that night, we went to a strip club to document. A girl that I interviewed in that jail was a strip dancer. And so she brought us to a club, and we documented the dancers there. We saw some cheeks shaking. It was only for research purposes only. I talked to my wife beforehand. We had our rule set. I followed it. No private dances. In fact, I actually wish I would have brought my wife because I would have probably been able to enjoy myself more because she would have led the charge of, like, thrown.

[Julian]

But, like, I got women dangerous in strip clubs, bro.

[Tommy G]

They like it. Yeah, they like it. And not that I've been. But I would go with her and. But then we wake up the next day, we do the flock safety video where we're spying on the flock headquarters. And then that night, we're doing the Georgia police ride along. And so that's. That's 48 hours where we just went hard in the paint. Long, long days. We're exhausted. By the end of it, we're feeling tired, similar to how I woke up this morning after doing two days hard in the paint in New York. But then I get to go home and I reset and I go back to my little quiet family life. I'm going for walks in the wood. I'm reading my Teddy Roosevelt books, my Benjamin Netanyahu book, you know, enjoying myself. And then in a couple more weeks, we're gonna go back into the fray and get into some action. We're actually going to Cook County Jail in Chicago this coming Thursday.

[Julian]

Is it like a clip? Like, are you reading like a chapter of Netanyahu and then like cleansing your soul?

[Tommy G]

You have to balance it out? No, I literally, even though I'm. I'm not going to start my Teddy Roosevelt. I've read probably like four or five Teddy Roosevelt biographies. I got a couple new ones. I brought it with me. Just like even being seen in an airplane reading Benjamin Netanyahu is just like, that's unintentional questions. I just don't want to have to like, you do that in the privacy of your home.

[Julian]

Get a Kindle, bro.

[Tommy G]

What are you, 74?

[Julian]

No, dude, all my books are right on there. And then the physical books we get here get to be nice decorations and everything. It's nice and lightweight and no one ever knows what the fuck you're reading.

[Tommy G]

There's something about. I'm a paper book guy. I like the old fashioned feeling defense, too. I feel like my grandpa, if I'm just like trying to squint and stare at my.

[Julian]

Well, you don't squint. You turn the blue light off. You have the font, like, pretty big and everything.

[Tommy G]

And that's what an old person does.

[Julian]

I mean, I probably have it at like a quarter of their size, but to me, it's big. That's like one of the few things I'm not old school on. There's a lot of shit I'm pretty fucking analog on, but I don't know, like, the idea, because I would always get, like, uncomfortable with like, I gotta keep it open, you know, I mean, shit like that. The Kindle ears.

[Tommy G]

I don't know. I feel like your boxing train should have prepared you for being able to hold up a book. But. Yeah, but I know your coaches. We gotta talk to that.

[Julian]

But that's what I'm saying. I'm not reading to train, I'm reading to relax.

[Tommy G]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So whatever can maximize the relaxation aspect on it so I can lock in.

[Tommy G]

So do you read fiction, too?

[Julian]

I do read some fiction. I. It's funny, Mike Ritland was asking me about that in September and I'm like, I don't read A ton of it. Because, like, if I'm gonna read, I like to read about things that have gone on or are going on or whatever. But then I started to look at some more. I started reading the Game of Thrones actual series, Ice and Fire. Amazing. And then Deep's trying to get me

[Tommy G]

into Red Rising, beautiful series. I read the entire. All six books.

[Julian]

You read that?

[Tommy G]

Yeah. Really great, dude. Fiction just takes you to another world. Also, I. Because I read every single night when I go to bed. That's how I go to bed. I read until my eyes get blurry, turn off the light. But If I read BB to sleep, it's like 10, 20 pages. If I'm reading Dune or Girl with a Dragon Tattoo that I can read, I stay up. Like, sometimes I'm up till 11 midnight just reading, reading, reading. I go through the book in a few days, whereas, you know, So I think we should balance it out. I think also, like, I don't know if it was like the red pill, Alpha man era, where every book he needs, it has to be like, I'm learning sales tactics. I'm advancing this, thinking big. I'm gonna grow rich. That's all good. But fiction also teaches you a lot about the real world, too, because they make characters that feel so alive. That's why J.K. rowling was able to get children to camp out in front of Barnes and Noble and wait for the book, because there's something so powerful about that story that we all felt,

[Julian]

yeah, there's human out there. There's a amazing human element to it. That's the best storytelling that there is. And I think, like, we've also seen it to where not to even be dystopian about it, but for real, I think it's like a great lesson. You see a guy like Orwell write books years ago, like 1984, and then you see some of those patterns playing out, and you're like, wow, this guy wrote a totally fictional story that was based on human nature, discussing things that could happen in a type of future society that even if he didn't have all the technology, right, the fucking ideas. Whoa.

[Tommy G]

That's what makes fiction wonderful, is it has to be real enough to what humans, hypothetically, could do that you identify with it. And that's why you get so strongly invested with these characters.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Tommy G]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I really want to get George R.R. martin in here, the guy who wrote the Game of Thrones series, because the thing that really strikes me about him is that his profound understanding of every angle of human nature that still exists today. Writing about what is fictionally a Middle east or not Middle east, like medieval time period or, you know, 2,000 years ago type time period. His understanding of human instincts to the most negative degree and the most positive degree is almost unlike anything I've ever seen.

[Tommy G]

They also have to understand archetypes of heroes. Like, have you ever seen. Read the book Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell.

[Julian]

I know the book. I have not read it though.

[Tommy G]

Basically, he examines across many of the world religions from like little, you know, Comanche tribes to Hindu, whatever. That's not it Hindu. That's the language, anyways, all world religions and looks at the common archetypes of the hero myth, of the villain myth, and how they all kind of boil out to similar things. And a good fiction person knows how to integrate that. And. And then you can tell, like, if they don't understand human psychology, well, it's going to be a flop. You're not going to really pull with the character.

[Julian]

Absolutely. Like, people need to feel like they understand people that they even don't want to understand. You want to be tricked into it,

[Tommy G]

you know, and there's a part of them that you see in yourself. Yes. Or that you hate within yourself. And that's like a lot of times creates the villain like the. The trait that you don't like about yourself that the villain is doing. Like, that's what makes you hate him even more because you know, you're capable of that also.

[Julian]

Yes. I'm not just saying this to glaze you, but I think that that really comes across in the work you've done across the spectrum of all these different topics to where you meet people that are great and people that are not so great and then more than likely people who are somewhere in between a lot of the times, and I think we said it earlier in some context, but overall, like, you do such a good job of just being a normal Joe with them, a normal human asking questions to try to understand that they express themselves in a way where they're usually taking you through their literal environment because you're on the scene with them. They express themselves in a way that even if we don't with them, like the audience, we understand where they're coming from, even if we hate them for it. And there's, I think probably some of that feel like putting two and two together here that you very clearly have for that naturally has to come from your extensive reading, which I think is a great example for everyone too, because I, you know, not to sound like a old person here. But I feel like, you know, too much of reading is now just quick hits online and not actually getting immersed in books and stuff like that. And we really. It helps when you do that.

[Tommy G]

Well, I think the other thing I was thinking about because I had a little party at my house and I've been around a little bit getting in gatherings and to me, if you don't enjoy gatherings with other people, you're not good at it. It's because you're a bad question asker. Because if you can ask questions to people, you keep the ball in the air. Eventually you're going to learn something that's interesting, that opens up further conversation. But if you're the person at a party where you're really quiet, you don't know what to do, it's because you don't know how to ask. Ask a question and engage somebody. And by reading that becomes. You become well versed enough that you can hit almost any topic. And so that's the superpower of reading. And I think, what do they say if you have a book with you, you're never without a friend. You know, you should travel everywhere you are with a book because it's a great comfort sometimes. Like I remember being really sick in the jungle. I was probably 19, sophomore year, college, was living with a tribe in the Ecuadorian jungle. We took a little six seater from a tribal airport into the jungle. And like day two or three, I miserably sick. I was drinking the spit. I was covered in mosquito bites. And I was laying on this, the bed. There was like this wooden rack that was elevated maybe 4 or 5ft so that maybe it was mostly bugs or creatures couldn't get to you. But I was miserably sick and I had the book Endurance. The. I think that's the Pearl harbor or the, the prisoner of war camp story where the guy, they made him.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's not endurance. It's the Angelina Jolie directed one in, in something like, in Unbreakable or something like that.

[Tommy G]

Yeah, yeah. It was one of those adjectives that you're not, you're gonna persist. Yeah. And so I remember reading that and thinking about what that guy was going through. And then I started feeling not sorry for myself anymore. Not alone, not like I'm gonna get through this. And then it was like as I was starting to get that feeling, a little kid walked in, gave me a bunch of bananas from a tree to make sure I was okay. Then they left me there for a little while longer and after a little while I recovered the next day and I was kind of back in action. But a book is always something that in a moment of need, like right now. The reason I bought Teddy Roosevelt some more books on him, the Edmund Moore series. I'd read the first one, but he has two more is I think we need a modern day Teddy Roosevelt to come about. A guy that can fight the power, a guy that loves nature, fights for people. I mean, Teddy Roosevelt was one of the guys that he went. He was a police commissioner in New York and he went around the beat with Jacob Riis, who was the first famous flash photographer. And this is where they photographed how the other half lived is what they called the photo series. And it was basically showing the slum tenement of how some people are doing these like 96 hour a week factory jobs. And then they come in. These immigrant families share one bedroom, two bedrooms with 12 people. But I want to read about the people that inspire me to be the man I think I hope to be or I want to be or helps me identify the people out in the world that are that hero archetype that we need.

[Julian]

And you've read, you were telling me you've read like six books on four

[Tommy G]

or five Teddy Roosevelt books.

[Julian]

Your favorite president?

[Tommy G]

Favorite president of all time. One of my. I would say him and Benjamin Franklin are my two favorite Americans. That I would recommend their biography.

[Julian]

Yeah. Which. Which is your Ben Franklin biography of choice.

[Tommy G]

Well, what's the. Who's the one that does all the. Who's the one that also did Steve Jobs?

[Julian]

That's Walter Isaacson.

[Tommy G]

Walter Isaacson.

[Julian]

So the other one that was the Pulitzer Prize runner up a few years before Walter did his was HW Brands.

[Tommy G]

Okay.

[Julian]

You ever hear this?

[Tommy G]

I have to look at the COVID to see if I've read that or not.

[Julian]

Yeah. So H.W. has written 42American history books in 39 years. And we just had him in that seat, which was the coolest fucking thing ever.

[Tommy G]

Those guys have to research meticulously. They have to go through old documents. To do that in less than a year is almost unbelievable. How long is his book?

[Julian]

His books range from 350 to like a thousand pages.

[Tommy G]

Wow, that guy, he's a savage. So he just puts the hours and

[Julian]

there's no way around where he is in it. For the love of the game, like you can just. He walked in here, he's a great guy. Very quiet though. Like Deef wasn't here yet and he came in and I could not make conversation with him. And I'm like Sitting here setting up the production, I'm like, oh, no. He's one of those people who's like an amazing writer, but like not a talker.

[Tommy G]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And then we turned on the cameras. It was like a lightning rod hit his soul. I couldn't stop him. We talked for like 3 hours, 20 minutes. And he was just going and just talking about all this history. But we talked a lot about Ben Franklin, who's my favorite American of all time. I might be a little biased because I'm from the Philly area, but. And then we, One of the other guys we talked about was Teddy Roosevelt. And he said, he said something really interesting about Teddy Roosevelt. Like, clearly he respected him. And you know, obviously Teddy Roosevelt accomplished a lot of great things, but he said, you know, when you're writing a book about someone, you're living with them for the whole time you're writing it. Like, because like you said, he's in the, in the institutional libraries reading every thing that's ever been, every letter they wrote, all of it. And he goes, you, you. And then you're charting out their whole life so you get to know them every step of the way. He said, when I finished the Ben Franklin one and I was writing the last paragraph where I have to kill him because he dies, he said, I, I got misty eyed and I was sad because it was like I was losing a friend that I had chilled with. He said, on the contrary, when Roosevelt took it at 60, I was like, oh, thank God this is over because he was such a fucking bulldog. And it was just like, whoa.

[Tommy G]

I think Teddy Roosevelt is a fun guy to read about, but it would have been a little obnoxious to be his friend.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's.

[Tommy G]

He has his energy and he has the high pitched voice and he all like. And also some of the stuff like the way he died, I think he got so ill from traveling to the Amazon rainforest as an older man. And then he also ran for president right before that and cost his party the election because he entered the phrase a third party guy. He was a guy that was absolutely tenacious. A bulldog is a great way to describe Teddy Roosevelt. He just had that fighter spirit. And if you were opponent of Teddy Roosevelt, oh my gosh, he's gonna wear you down.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tommy G]

He was infatigable.

[Julian]

Absolutely. And he didn't he drink like two gallons of coffee a day or some shit?

[Tommy G]

I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. Yeah. One anecdote about Teddy Roosevelt that I really love that shows the Class of man he was compared to what we're dealing with today in the White House and in general in the White House is he would invite foreign leaders or his own cabinet members out and they would cut like, they would have like little pads and they would do like a whack, like a sword fight with like blunt sticks and they would beat the hell out of each other. He would invite guys to swim in the Potomac and the freezing river.

[Julian]

Nice.

[Tommy G]

He would take them on wild nature adventures or like kind of combat situations and.

[Julian]

Combat situations?

[Tommy G]

Yeah, like fighting each other in the halls of the White House for fun.

[Julian]

Love.

[Tommy G]

How else do you use the halls of the White House but that.

[Julian]

Well, Scott Besant's been doing that apparently a lot.

[Tommy G]

Oh, when he starves. Cubans and Iranians before that.

[Julian]

I'm just saying, like, obviously he's doing all that shit. He's starving Cubans and Iranians and bragging about it. But in the actual White House, motherfuckers throwing hands.

[Tommy G]

Really?

[Julian]

Yeah. He beat the shit out of Elon. And then who do you just beat the shit out of? Another guy Who. Can we google that?

[Tommy G]

What? Scott's background as an athlete. Does he have something going on?

[Julian]

I don't think so.

[Tommy G]

He just has a temper or he has a. He's ready to go, apparently.

[Julian]

He's got some hands.

[Tommy G]

Really?

[Julian]

Yeah, I'll give him that.

[Tommy G]

Good for him. I mean, you have to look at the yin and yang and everybody and Scott, I don't have a ton of great things to say, but if you can throw a hand, Scott, good for you.

[Julian]

I will say it's like if you. As a side note though, if you are Scott Bessent and you run around Davos already bad optics in January, laughing and bragging about how you are going to take the Iranian currency to zero.

[Tommy G]

Yeah.

[Julian]

With the idea that it's going to force people in the streets and because they have an evil regime, which they do, they will then take action that results in the death of some of those people. You know, if I see a crazy PCP'd out meth head outside who's going and screaming, screaming at everyone in their pathway, and I run upstairs and grab a loaded weapon and walk outside and hand it to them, I'm pretty sure I get charged as accessory for murder in a US court. I don't know. I haven't pressed.

[Tommy G]

So how does he not get charged for accessory?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Tommy G]

But I wonder this because at the highest level you have to do cold calculations. And what's his calculation? Hey, and again I don't like his decision, but I'm playing the devil's advocate here, which is, hey, if I force some a really fucked up economical situation in Iran, will I then save more people in the long run because I flush out this bad regime? So there's going to be a little short term pain for long term gain. I don't know, it's. That's what you have to wonder about how these people look at these situations, trade off. Because when you're at that level of government, you do have to look at it like that. That was one of the. There's a guy that wrote the book, Dan Wayne wrote Breakneck. It's a book about how dare China's engineering state. Basically the distinctions were the United States is a lawyer state, China is a engineering state. And right now we're so handicapped by lawyers even publicly things that should be publicly accessible like a high school playground that we've all funded or track or pull up bar. There's a fence 15ft higher on the whole thing and we can't even access it because someone's afraid someone will fall and then sue. And so that's where our Achilles heel is. Whereas China's Achilles heel is they're going to lock everyone inside during COVID because they've ran the numbers and well.01% of the people are going to do this, this and that. But as an engineering state, we're going to project a better future again.

[Julian]

Road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Tommy G]

I don't even know in a lot of situations are damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Julian]

They are. But it's like, I don't know, you always got to try to have the longest view in the room and the longest few in the room does involve pain. It's interesting that you talk about like the trade off. Like, well, if they lose 7,000, we can take down regime and it'll save 7 million over the next 50 years. It's, it's an interesting mathematical equation, but the optics of like bragging about it and being excited that people are about

[Tommy G]

to die, not being sober about it.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Tommy G]

And aware of it, but being like power.

[Julian]

That's right. Yeah, that's right. There's something that's wrong with that. And yeah, this is another one. I can't find the one either deep, but he just beat the out of someone like for real in 2026. But this was, this was another one. He almost beat up Bill Pulte.

[Tommy G]

I'm going to punch you in the fucking face. That's what. Someone has testosterone in the White House.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's. That's a tough gay right there. He's.

[Tommy G]

Besson's gay too.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Tommy G]

No way. Yeah. Really? I don't see the pride celebrations talking about him. You know, there's a lot of underrated gays or like right wing gays right now that are like. Like Sam Altman.

[Julian]

He's open about it.

[Tommy G]

Sam Altman is gay.

[Julian]

He's open about it.

[Tommy G]

Peter Thiel's gay.

[Julian]

He's open about it, too. You're talking about the ones that aren't open about it.

[Tommy G]

Yeah, no, no, but like, usually when you think gay, like I was just at a gay wedding a few months ago, you know, the guy had glitter on his face. It's pretty progressive. We're having a good time, we're dancing and like that. You can just guess what values they have. But we don't really think like the stereo. They're outside the stereotypical gay. The Peter Thiels, the Scott Bessens, Marco Rubio's. No, I'm just kidding. I don't know if he's good or not, but.

[Julian]

Pause.

[Tommy G]

We don't usually think about. Those are like the maniacal gays, the scary ones. Like Peter Teal might have someone in a dungeon right now.

[Julian]

He. He definitely pure spec here. Yeah, I'm gonna agree with Deacon.

[Tommy G]

And that twink might want to be in the dungeon, is the thing.

[Julian]

You want to be in the dungeon?

[Tommy G]

No, that twink.

[Julian]

Oh, the twink does.

[Tommy G]

Yeah. I don't want to be in pure tear. Okay. No, thank you.

[Julian]

Trying to take a trip to Argentina. Long pause here.

[Tommy G]

It depends on the story, but if it's involving Peter Thiel.

[Julian]

You didn't hear about this?

[Tommy G]

Yeah, he's moving out there, correct?

[Julian]

Yeah, he fled to fucking Argentina.

[Tommy G]

Argentina. Which we're talking about. Remember? We're talking about transnational elites. Argentina is another place that if you're looking at the lens through Israel. You know what? Let's. Let's leave that in the past because we've talked about him ad nauseam. But I just.

[Julian]

Diva mirror over here. Like this right now. Oh, my God. It is interesting, though. There's some. There's some money flowing there.

[Tommy G]

They have their hooks in a lot of places.

[Julian]

Yeah, just a few for sure. Yeah. Thief's Sergeant. Thief is on it.

[Tommy G]

I also recently read Henry Ford and I won't say the title of the book, but I had to balance that out with bb. So now you guys understand my trajectory. Okay. Interesting. Oh, yeah. I Did see this? This graph? What is this, Steve?

[Julian]

What am I looking at?

[Tommy G]

Countries within. Okay, yeah.

[Julian]

Countries within the range of Iran's missiles.

[Tommy G]

Israel's missions are up. Sorry, Israel's.

[Julian]

Of Israel's. Oh, no.

[Tommy G]

Australia's starting to look.

[Julian]

Argentina is dangerously not in that range. Mexico's looking pretty good too. Mexico's looking clean as fuck.

[Tommy G]

New Zealand looks like a solid place to move to.

[Julian]

New Zealand looks like a really solid place to be to put a bunker.

[Tommy G]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Julian]

You just did a video on some billionaire bunkers, right? Who'd you talk to?

[Tommy G]

The guy's name was Ron Hubbard. Not to be confused with L. Ron Hubbard of the Scientology branch. This. He's kind of this autistic savant. I would say that if his. If what he's saying is correct, by his credentials, he has like a engineering degree, a physics degree, and something else. And he's been obsessed with making bunkers for a while, and he's now the number one bunker producer in the world. He's done them for Kim Kardashian, the Tate Brothers, Zuckerberg, and then a bunch of people that signed NDAs with him where he can't talk about it.

[Julian]

It.

[Tommy G]

And he's also.

[Julian]

Oh, Shins didn't sign an NDA.

[Tommy G]

It was for their show and it was used as more of a set and never even went underground. It was more of, like, a cool thing they could do for the reality show. But there was definitely, I think, a little bit of fear mongering that episode. I don't know if everything. Because he said half the scientists that developed the COVID vaccine, COVID 19 vaccine, were in his office. Do you think those scientists are like, hey, I work for Pfizer. I just did the vaccine and I would love a bunker? Like, I just don't know. I feel like that stuff is more secretive. So maybe that was just good marketing. But he also said members of Trump, Trump's former cabinet, we see both. Trump wants the bunker with the ballroom. Kushner wants a bunker in Albania. The bunker is the meta for the ultra powerful right now. And is it just like the next Flex, the next Rolex, the next fancy car where, hey, you got your bunker, I got my bunker. It's cool. Or is there a more sinister awareness of what could happen? Because they're going to the Davos Commission or whatever they're going.

[Julian]

It's hard for my head to not go to. There's some sort of sinister awareness. And then my next thought goes to. I hope it's just they're Getting fearful of a 0.1% possibility. And because they're rich enough, they're like, ah, it. I'll have this just in case. And therefore the percentages say that thing won't happen. But I was talking to someone recently who's not. It doesn't have a bunker and doesn't have money like that. But, you know, they're from. They're from the world that knows some things, if you catch what I'm seeing. Yeah, absolutely. And abs heavy. And they were talking about some of the places that they're looking to move right now very strategically and specifically located to minimize the effects of a thermonuclear or whatever. Whatever the term is.

[Tommy G]

Can you share with us in the audience where these locations might be? Was this the. The graph we were just looking at?

[Julian]

They were. This person was actually more referring to places in the United States that minimize

[Tommy G]

it because of going underground or just in general?

[Julian]

Just the. In general.

[Tommy G]

So.

[Julian]

And they had very specific reasons for it that were way above my pay grade.

[Tommy G]

But can I guess and you'll tell me?

[Julian]

Yeah, but keep the camera on, Tom.

[Tommy G]

Okay. Alaska.

[Julian]

Keep going.

[Tommy G]

Just, I guess, north. I mean, I'm gonna guess that kind of the tips away from enough away from LA and New York and Chicago. So I'm probably in the Milwaukee area. Louisiana. Who's nuke in Louisiana? Dude.

[Julian]

But what's Louisiana close to? Louisiana is in the strike zone of, you know, as far as I know. Please correct me in the comments, but they're in the strike zone even of, like, radiation, if Miami got hit and stuff like that.

[Tommy G]

Okay, what about South Dakota? Those areas remote. So basically just remote away from city centers. Is that what we're talking here?

[Julian]

Yeah, I think. Okay, that's fair to say.

[Tommy G]

Okay. But I'll get some consulting with you after the show.

[Julian]

You know, I. When you keep hearing a preponderance of stuff like that, you're just like, all right, how bad is this?

[Tommy G]

It's a bit unsettling. Huh?

[Julian]

Well, the one part that makes me feel a little better, and I don't know if it should.

[Tommy G]

New Jersey was on the list, right?

[Julian]

New Jersey was not on the list. New Jersey. I wonder why we get hit. It's been nice knowing you people. But, you know, when you hear all this and then realize that in all likelihood Darpa was like, 30 years ahead 30 years ago, you wonder if they're so far ahead now that they already have it figured out. But that's the best case. That's, like, the good scenario. The Bad scenario is we're already in it, you know, whatever the simulation is or the AI takeover and all the thermonuclear events that could come with that. And they just know when it's coming. I don't know, it's, it's beyond what I can conceive.

[Tommy G]

You know, I mean, the good news is that experts can consistently get things wrong. Like the, you know, Y2K, there's a widespread panic, all these experts were coming online, these smart Ivy League certified people were saying we should really watch out. And then inevitably you woke up the next day and you're okay. And the positive thing is humans generally do find a way to innovate their way through. And I like to think that the elites need us alive to support the tax base that they take from. Like, would, would we be valuable if all of us were dead? And then we also ruin multiple ecosystems and farmland. Like, that doesn't seem valuable to the people that need to survive.

[Julian]

But yeah, yeah, the elites need resources though that are just higher than the standard resources of the people around them. Which means it could become a dog eat dog world if the elites were reduced to a world that's filled with just some other elites who are less elite and therefore their money means more, you know, among a smaller population, if you will, or if they're really worried about having to go to another planet. And that's actually just a survival. I don't want to do that.

[Tommy G]

I don't think. Yeah, I don't think anyone wants to live inside like a, A little.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Tommy G]

Storage container on Mars. When I have beautiful outdoors in the United States. That's right, walk through.

[Julian]

Do you ever feel like you've been doing this a long enough time now? And I know like you're a really reflective guy, but do you feel like yourself and your worldview beyond world views, of course that's going to change. But like, I don't know your values, your outlook on life changing.

[Tommy G]

I have unfortunately got a lot more cynical in the last couple years. I was a very naive kid for a lot of my life and now it feels like just one big ogre after another that you look out and you're like, this is up, that's up. And, and then when you know the will of the people is similar to how we feel and that still, besides them, even though the masses feel this way, it doesn't seem to matter. That's what we were talking about earlier, about the despair, but then, then I get revved up and I'm like, okay, like we got this. We're gonna make it through because there's people. Groups have been up against way worse and overcome it and made it happen. And we're capable of that. But I would say. I would say the other thing is being desensitized. It's just a natural consequence of the job. I remember being in Chicago three, four years ago, about to interview a fentanyl dealer, like, shaking with nervous nervousness in the car. Like, should we even go up here? Is this a good idea? Like, are we gonna die? Should we just go home? Like, considering just driving the car back home. Which one? One video shoot in Chicago to interview prostitutes on the street. I remember we actually drove halfway home because I chickened out. And then the guy convinced me to come back and ended up being a really great time.

[Julian]

Great time.

[Tommy G]

But now it's just like, oh, yeah, you're selling fentanyl. Let's see it. Okay, let's talk like. Like, it's so much more matter of fact. And I don't necessarily like all that about, like, I don't like that sometimes.

[Julian]

Well, you know, it means you're doing your job because you're. You're seeing the things. Not necessarily doing the things, but, like, you're in there capturing people, doing what they do and reporting it to the rest of us and taking people to places that they would never go. And I think that's really, really important.

[Tommy G]

I think I just need to be very conscious of balancing it out. So, like, when I had a cookout last week and had some really close family friends and just having a good time, or, like, seeing my boy run through the woods and, like, we're looking at turtle eggs that have just hatched, and then we go over there and we see the snapping turtle, then we look for the woodpecker. Like, that, to me, are like the beautiful little moments that I gotta lock in. And that's the duality that I'm gonna. Those are the balancing forces that. That I gotta appreciate.

[Julian]

You got your house, your life, your wife, your kid, nature, which is wonderful.

[Tommy G]

Great portion of my life. Like, I'm so lucky with my wife, my kid, my dog. And so, yeah, where I live. But then that's the weird part of the job now is too, like, this job has helped me become financially successful. Yes. Like, I was making 41k as a salesman for this company before I did this YouTube and took many years for YouTube to make any money. Now it's making more money than I ever thought I would make, ever. And now I have this very Safe, cushy life. And then I go out into, you know, I was just in a bunch of trap houses yesterday, and it's a funny dynamic that covering this shit has actually made my life safer or better. Actually, we. We just did a New York trap house episode, but it's gonna be a really. It's gonna be a treat because we have a lot of mixture. We have the low end crack houses. We have a high end penthouse trapper. We have a bodega trapper, a van trapper, and a suburban trapper.

[Julian]

Good.

[Tommy G]

We start off in the suburban trap house because we were driving. I'm like, there's no way this is a trap house. Like, I was hearing the drugs. He thinks that he was gonna tell me he's gonna. He's gonna show me, like, there's no way it's in houses like this because the neighbors would care. There's traffic, okay? So we go in there, he starts. He pulls out crack cocaine. Cocaine, pills, weed. And I'm interviewing him about it. And then there's a knock on the door. Travis, you don't lock me out of the house.

[Julian]

Travis.

[Tommy G]

This guy, one of the guys in the crew, his mom showed up to the house. We were in the mom's house, and then she runs around to the back end. Miguel runs to the door to capture her coming in. We got busted by this MILF in Long Island. And then what happened is we were all bunched up by the front door trying to get out, and the guy couldn't unlock it. And me and my crew were in the back closest to the mom as she's running towards us. And it's like, I'm sorry, Mom. If I would have known this was your place, I would have never come. I didn't. You got in this weird situation where I'm on your side. I would be mad at Travis, too. Yes.

[Julian]

That's it. That's all you're doing.

[Tommy G]

It's okay.

[Julian]

Miguel's always about that life, though.

[Tommy G]

Miguel's on that. He's.

[Julian]

And he's right here the whole time. He doesn't move. Just like this. He's watching you. Getting waterboard. Give me more. Well, Tommy G, we got to get you to the airport, otherwise you'd be here a while longer. But I'm proud of you, bro. Keep doing your thing.

[Tommy G]

Thank you, brother.

[Julian]

It's always great to see you progressing and. And tackling more and more important stories and everything. And, you know, I know you're going to be doing this for decades to come. Whoa.

[Tommy G]

Hopefully we both are.

[Julian]

We both will be. Yeah, I think we're here for the long haul, but everyone go subscribe to Tommy's channel. If we collab this, you'll be able to click it down below. If not, it'll be in the description. But I'll see you for round five sometime soon.

[Tommy G]

Thank you, brother.

[Julian]

All right, everybody else, you know what it is. Give a thought, get back to me. Peace. Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you.