#441 - Leon Black EXPOSED: Epstein Client RUNS from Congress! | Julian Dorey

Summary

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Julian Dorey Podcast #441 — Leon Black EXPOSED: Epstein Client RUNS from Congress!

Date: June 27, 2026
Host: Julian Dorey
Co-Host: Joey Deef

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the explosive, fast-developing events surrounding billionaire Leon Black—co-founder of Apollo Global Management—whose connections to Jeffrey Epstein have landed him under Congressional scrutiny. Julian Dorey and Joey Deef unpack Black's recent closed-door testimony, the history and significance of his ties to Epstein and other power players, and the wider implications for government transparency and elite cover-ups. The episode is part true crime, part investigative journalism, and all no-holds-barred discussion, delivered in the duo’s rapid-fire, skeptical NYC tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Leon Black’s Congressional Testimony & Subpoenas

• Leon Black's closed-door, voluntary testimony (00:34–24:00) was abruptly halted when Black refused to discuss non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) related to women tied to Epstein; the House Oversight Committee responded by issuing two subpoenas: all NDAs and a formal deposition (41:00, 70:54).
• Lawmakers are investigating if Epstein was involved in drafting or funding these NDAs, suspecting he acted as a fixer to silence accusers (23:00–24:00).
• Bipartisan reaction: Even amid committee gridlock, both Rep. James Comer (R) and Rep. Robert Garcia (D) supported subpoenaing Black to compel transparency (24:00).

Rep. Yasmine Ansari summarizes:
“Leon Black was arrogant, he was smug. He refused to answer the questions… But when pressed on critical questions about his own sexual abuse and the allegations against him and non disclosure agreements, he absolutely refused to answer… Every single one of these should be under oath in a public hearing in front of the American people. Videotaped.”
(63:48–65:03)

• Next steps: Congressional deposition of Black scheduled for July 16, potentially with video/under oath.

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2. The Epstein Network: Unanswered Questions & The Birthday Book

• The discussion revisits key lingering questions about Black’s true level of involvement with Epstein, as outlined by journalist Henry Abbott (True Hoop), including:
  • Black’s hiring of Andrew Levander—the same lawyer who had prior work ties to Epstein—to conduct Apollo’s “independent” internal probe (04:00).
  • Connections to intelligence-linked figures like Buzzy Krongard (ex-CIA/Blackwater) and strange overlaps with Deutsche Bank, which serviced Epstein and Black (05:24–06:12).
  • The infamous “50th Birthday Book”: Allegedly features a poem by Leon Black revealing intimate, coded references to women, locations, and financial schemes (13:42):

Quote from Black’s alleged birthday letter to Epstein (2003):
“A VFPC is something to be... Blonde, red or brunette. Spread out geographically with the net of fish Jeff's now the old man man in the sea... Teaching math, trading options or foreign currency... Schemes and plans, schemes and plans. A unique tax strategy wet dream…”
(13:42–14:19)

• Henry Abbott’s suggested key questions: the poem’s cryptic references (“birds and by bucks”, “Maxwellian delight”), what Black witnessed at Epstein events, and when their relationship really began—80s or 90s? (16:14).

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3. Damming Details from Investigative Reporting

• Dorey references a Puck News article (“Leon Black from the Ashes”, April 2024) as providing context on Black’s meteoric Wall Street career, his justification for the Epstein link (“I thought he was a fascinating guy… We would talk about tax and estate planning”—31:53–34:39), and open admission he knew of Epstein’s underage-related investigations since at least 2006 (35:07).

Leon Black (to Puck News):
“I didn’t take it that seriously… He was with a 17-year-old prostitute, got prosecuted for it… I didn’t think this was the end of the world, frankly.”
(35:07–38:02)

• Extensive discussion of Black’s $158M–$170M payment to Epstein (2012–2017), supposedly for estate/tax planning: Dorey and Joey question whether any legal advisor could warrant that fee, or whether it disguised blackmail, hush funds, or illicit services (39:02–41:16).

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4. Code Words, Cover-Ups & Recurring Names

• Dorey and Deef systematically dissect new and existing evidence:

  • Recovered emails between Epstein and Black reference “things that will need to remain unknown” (49:43–50:14), “saving you from yourself,” “gifts” to “L.” (Leon)—signs of possible hush money and blackmail (50:17–51:11).
  • Over 300 logged communications (“return your call” messages)—clear high-contact (51:12–51:34).
  • “Independent” investigations into Black (Andrew Levander/Detchert) are called out as conflicted and incomplete—e.g., law firm claims no coded language, but emails show otherwise (49:41).

• Connections spiral out:

  • Jay Clayton’s role: Trump-appointed U.S. Attorney for SDNY (Epstein’s jurisdiction), ex-SEC Chairman, then Chairman of Apollo after Black; ties to Sullivan & Cromwell—historically entwined with U.S. covert power and controversial global policy (52:03–54:48).

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5. Legal, Political, and Media Dynamics

• Lawsuit overview: Multiple sexual assault lawsuits have been brought against Black (Gazelle Geneva, Sherry Pearson, Jane Doe) involving serious, sometimes underage, sometimes special-needs accusers; cases often dismissed after NDAs/settlements (59:20–61:39).

• Questions about legality of exposing NDAs posthumously (especially where Epstein is listed as party) and whether federal investigation trumps civil privacy (72:04–74:18).

• Justice Department called out: After years of stalling, a federal judge ruled DOJ had violated a law requiring release of Epstein-related files, giving them one week to comply or justify further redactions (24:26–25:41).

  “This is Banana Republic type shit.” – Julian Dorey (25:41)

• Congressional leaders, including Rep. James Comer, push for open, on-the-record answers regarding NDAs and Epstein’s involvement (70:54–72:48).

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6. Systemic Obstruction & Media Critique

• Bill Gates’ closed-door testimony apparently confirms blackmail was rampant and “Epstein operated almost like Russian intelligence, gathering kompromat” (75:05–76:16).
• Zorro Ranch/New Mexico lead: Former New Mexico Attorney General explains he was told to “stand down” by SDNY, i.e., feds shut out state investigation into Epstein’s property—a pattern of centralized cover-up (77:59–80:41).
• Ongoing frustration at lack of genuine media coverage or high-profile journalistic follow through (“I am sure Barry Weiss… will be covering all this”—sarcastic media criticism, 89:04–90:47).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Black’s refusal at Congress:
  “Leon Black was arrogant, he was smug… But when pressed… he absolutely refused to answer these questions. So grateful he’ll be returning under oath… [It] should be in front of the American people, videotaped.” — Rep. Yasmine Ansari, (63:48)

• On the DOJ failing to release files:
  “As a result of Leon Black's separate testimony today, Friday, that ruling happened on Thursday where the fucking Attorney General of the United States conceded to federal court that they were in violation of a law… This is Banana Republic type shit.” — Julian Dorey (24:26–25:41)

• On the web of connections:
  “Jay Clayton gets to be another Forrest Gump in the fucked up version of Forrest Gump. Yeah, you know, mentally too.” — Julian Dorey (57:08)

• On the rot at the core:
  “It’s a George Carlin moment for the billionth time on this show. But again, to correct the late great George Carlin: it's a little club and you and I ain’t in it. It’s not that big a club.” — Julian Dorey (57:08)

• On Black’s “strategy” poem for Epstein:
  “Didn’t know Leon Black had some iambic pentameter in him.” — Julian Dorey (13:42)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:34–06:12 — Table setting: Black’s testimony + Recap of connections (Apollo, Epstein, intelligence, banks)
• 13:42–18:36 — The Epstein “birthday book” poem, cryptic language, questions for Black
• 23:00–25:41 — Politico/committee report & DOJ violation on Epstein records
• 31:53–38:02 — Quotes from Black’s interview, minimizing Epstein’s abuses
• 39:02–41:16 — Black’s payments to Epstein: consulting fee or something else?
• 49:41–51:34 — Codewords and “nothing untoward”—turning up the heat
• 63:48–65:03 — Rep. Ansari’s post-hearing assessment
• 70:54–72:48 — Rep. James Comer on subpoenas and Congress’ objectives
• 75:05–76:16 — Bill Gates’s testimony: Blackmail as the Epstein business model
• 77:59–81:59 — Zorro Ranch, New Mexico, feds shut down state investigation
• 89:04–90:47 — Sarcastic critique of the media establishment
• 96:15–96:41 — Upcoming July 16 deposition, closing commentary

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Additional Highlights & Unanswered Questions

• DOJ stonewalling and NDAs: Despite legal hurdles, Congress seems more aggressive in subpoenaing not just Black but Epstein’s entire legal/financial paper trail.
• Symbiotic elite protection: The interplay between finance, law, intelligence, media, and government—“the club”—enriches and immunizes itself.
• Media blackout/cynicism: Hosts deride legacy outlets and “straight shooters” for their hypocrisy and selective coverage.
• Victim settlements: Most cases against Black are dropped or settled (often with NDAs), further reinforcing the need for forced transparency.

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Summary for New Listeners

Julian Dorey and Joey Deef deliver a thorough, biting breakdown of the Leon Black–Epstein scandal’s latest twist, linking historical patterns of elite criminality, financial exploitation, and official cover-up. The episode surfaces new evidence, exposes double standards in both private and public investigations, and spotlights how difficult—by design—it is to hold powerful men accountable. With July 16 circled for Black’s possible public grilling, Dorey promises to revisit the story as it develops.

If you’re following the Epstein files, Congressional oversight battles, or want to understand power’s shadowy intersection across government, finance, and media, this episode is essential.

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Links to sources, referenced reports, and Henry Abbott’s True Hoop blog—as promised by Dorey—are set to be included in the podcast episode’s description.

Transcript

[Julian Dorey]

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[Joey Deef]

I'm Joey Deef. How you doing?

[Julian Dorey]

How you doing? All right. Thief. Leon Black finally testified today behind closed doors. So we couldn't see it, but some shit went down. So maybe we're gonna see something now. Don't hold your breath, but we're gonna break it all down. In the meantime though, I needed you for security yesterday, Joseph D. Philippus. It was like the worst day to not have security.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, little.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, got a little Clorox smiley face on the table now. Thanks to Matan.

[Joey Deef]

Matan, you bastard.

[Julian Dorey]

Matan. So Matan Evan, if you ever seen his channel, he's always in character. We did a wild podcast, if it could even be called that, come out in a couple weeks. He's hilarious. He's a. He's a satirist. So none of it is to be taken seriously. We just went back and forth for probably like a couple hours. Have to see what I can actually put on YouTube. There might be like 20 minutes. That has to be Patreon exclusive, literally, because it'll violate the terms of service or something. I'll figure that out later. But dude, 107 mile hour fast balls every five seconds. Coming at you from that guy.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot.

[Julian Dorey]

It's a lot. He was with all the cameras, spraying Clorox in the coffees, ruining our shirts. Technically. There was shampoo all over the headphone amp right here. Basically like he. He showed up in a T shirt, normal. We talked for like 30 seconds. And then he goes, all right, where's the bathroom? I said, front door on the right. He goes in there for five, six minutes, comes out with the jacket on in character, accent on, with all my cleaning supplies from the bathroom, puts it on the table and just starts wreaking havoc. And then we turn on the cameras and it was whatever. So I had a great time with him. It's. It's definitely a way different podcast, but really, I mean, he's a funny dude. He's fast, he's sharp, and like, it's all like this Persona.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, yeah, he's a young Andy Kaufman.

[Julian Dorey]

A young Andy Kaufman. Well, you know who's not a young Andy Kaufman? Leon Black.

[Joey Deef]

No, he's. He's a young something.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay, so. So Leon Black is one of the five people that Jeffrey Epstein's accountant named as someone who paid him. The accountant. I forget the accountant's name directly when that guy. I should have his name in front of me. I'm sorry. When that guy testified in front of Congress on video back in. I want to say that was March.

[Joey Deef]

Richard Khan.

[Julian Dorey]

Richard Khan. That's it. Thank you, Joseph.

[Joey Deef]

Got it.

[Julian Dorey]

So when Richard Kahn testified on a video deposition in front of Congress back in March or April, that was what he said. Among the other people named were the Rothschilds as well as Les Wexner. And again, Leon Black was one of those five. Leon Black, obviously is the co founder of Apollo Global, which is one of the most famous private equity firms of all time. We have gone through a lot of his backstory before. There will be some. That is kind of new filling in the blanks today, but if you remember my episode with Henry Abbott, I know he was discussed a bunch, he being Leon Black. Henry has been all over that tie in particularly along with like the Jay Clayton thing, which comes back to Leon Black as well, since basically like 2020. Like, he was the guy on this. And I had a chance to talk with Henry on the phone today, who is expanding that investigation as we speak, doing some really good work on it at his blog, True Hoop. And there's going to be some more stuff, I think, coming this summer from our friend Henry.

[Joey Deef]

So just go, Henry.

[Julian Dorey]

Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. Yeah, just stay tuned on that. So I think there's another podcast there in the future, but deep. You know, one of the things I was asking Henry is what are the biggest question marks as it pertains to Leon Black that we want answered? And among them was he said no one's looking into Andrew Levander, who is the Detroit lawyer and chairman or partner at Detert, who did the internal investigation at Apollo about Leon Black's ties to Epstein, despite the fact that Andrew Levander worked with Jeffrey Epstein in an unofficial capacity, but a deep capacity all the way back in 19 fucking 82 to hunt down lost funds. That's a whole rabbit hole right there. But you heard me correctly on that. Very interesting that that's the guy they would pick to say, there's no wrongdoing here. That's number one. Number two, of course, and Henry raised this in the first episode we recorded together. He's like, the Buzzy Krongard thing is weird. Buzzy Krongard obviously was like the chairman, or what was the title? Like, the chairman of CIA.

[Joey Deef]

And he was the former executive director.

[Julian Dorey]

Former executive director. I'm sorry, of CIA, which, like, I didn't even realize that was like a title thing. That's one I was unfamiliar with. And he was also very high up at Blackwater, which I think Eric Prince, when he was in here, mentioned him. But, you know, he had, like, cross pollination there. And then Erik Prince ended up having to leave Blackwater after that whole thing, which. That whole thing being the Blackwater five case that happened that I actually think Sean Ryan did an amazing job going through that entire case with one of his earliest podcasts and going through how those guys were really railroaded. But Eric had to get away from the company, and it was bought by Apollo for, like, pennies on the dollar, which.

[Joey Deef]

It's convenient.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, convenient. Kind of interesting right there. And that's also at a point where, like, Erik Prince, of all people, has, like, no leverage. So you're just giving. You're basically giving away this very big company you've built and a place like Apollo can come in and, you know, take some there. All right, guys, correction. Apollo did not buy what was by then just the remnants of Blackwater that had changed hands and done different partnerships multiple times until 2016. Erik Prince had left the company in 2010 completely. So it was entirely different at that point. And they might have not been the only one. It might have been bought up in shares. I don't remember the details, but that. That is how it went down. That is in an article we're also going to discuss in a minute, so it'll give the specific details there. But Buzzy Krongard was a second one. Another one was Deutsche bank, which this is a really overlooked part of the Epstein lore we always hear about JP Morgan, righteously so with Jeffrey Epstein. But there. There were some odd connections to Deutsche bank over the years that I think Henry had told me when he looked into, like, the biggest clients at the time, that a guy like Leon Black was also a client there where Jeffrey Epstein was doing business with them. It's like a who's who. And so Henry is going to be doing more work on that and like I said, that'll probably really be extensively covered in a podcast I do with Henry, hopefully in a month or two when he's done what he's working on right now. Another thing Henry wanted to ask about, is this highly controversial as it pertains to Leon Black, Is this highly controversial Epstein 50th birthday? What is it like the 50th birthday letters? Yeah, yeah. The book itself. So this, we've talked about this before, but this was a part of a Wall Street Journal report that they put out, I believe, last year, that Donald Trump was very upset about where they allegedly had this book with a bunch of letters written by friends to Jeffrey Epstein in 2003 for his 50th birthday. Obviously this was like Donald Trump, Leon Black, a whole bunch of different people in there. And there are people who claim it's fake and other people who claim it's real. It was interesting that the Wall Street Journal is the publication that did this report because it is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who's also like, you know, obviously conservative and leans that way. And yet it was something that could potentially show some foggy damage for like Donald Trump, which is why he was upset about it. So just as a review right here, can we zoom in on this, Steve, just so I can make sure I see it right?

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

The validity of Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday book, compiled for him in 2003 by Associate Ghislaine Maxwell, is widely accepted as an authentic, genuine historical record of his social and professional network. The physical and electronic collection was handed over to the U.S. house Oversight Committee by Epstein's estate and published as public congressional records. The 238 page scrapbook was subpoenaed directly from Epstein's estate and made public in September 2025. And it was edit. Its editorial origins are that it was compiled by Maxwell victims, attorneys and insiders involved in its initial creation have corroborated that the book is an authentic compilation of notes, lewd sketches and photos from Epstein's inner circle prior to his first conviction. Which is also interesting because again, this is in the same time period where Todd Blanch is going to meet with Jeffrey with Ghislaine Maxwell, I'm sorry, in prison, and then she's later transferred to a less high security, if you will, prison on that. And allegedly in the two day conversation they had off camera, her they being Delan and Todd Blanche, allegedly, she was also exonerating Donald Trump of any wrongdoing as it is, which again, like, even if that were true optically. That makes sense. Like, she's got every reason to try to exonerate the sitting president of this issue so that she can help her own situation. So, like, you're kind of undercutting yourself there. This episode is brought to you by Starbucks. That is fire. Whoa, that's good.

[Joey Deef]

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[Julian Dorey]

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[Joey Deef]

Looks. Looks clean to me.

[Julian Dorey]

Looks. Looks like a. Looks like a clean thing. So of course, with some of the codes, Henry Abbott wants to know. By birds and by bucks, season M's are his key. Blonde, red or brunette, spread out geographically. Are those references to women? What are birds? What are bucks? What are Cs? What are Ms? These are things that the congressional questioners definitely should have been asking. Wet dream and Koch Mar and architects Wild spree, Moscow, Paris, Santa Fe, Alhambra East Jamboree. Henry goes on to explain. Calchamar is French for nightmare.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

What is the nightmare you were referring to? Who is the architect you're referring to? What was the spree? What did you, Leon Black, mean when you signed this? Love and kisses? Was that a common way for you to sign letters at the time? That's probably like the easiest one for him to answer because it's like probably a joke to a friend in a birthday letter. All these other ones, though, are, yeah, I'd say pretty fucking relevant. Were you ever romantically involved with Jeffrey Epstein? That's just like a fun rim shot. What caused you to bring up Moscow? Paris, Santa Fe and Alhambra East? Are those places you went to with Jeffrey Epstein? Did you go to Moscow with Jeffrey Epstein when and what happened there? There's also a picture of Leon Black without, as far as I know, any context from around, I want to say 1996. It was somewhere in the 90s where he's sitting at a table with many other people and Donald Trump at a meeting in Moscow. So, I mean, he probably went to Moscow a bunch, but, like, were they. Was Epstein on that trip and we just don't know about it. Fair, fair question from Leon Black. Henry Abbott goes on, when you wrote this poem in Epstein's birthday book in 2003, had you known him for a while? Again, that's something we do know. I'm gonna get to that in a Minute. Leon Black claims he met him in 1996. There are reports that he met Epstein as far back as the 80s. And he might be lying about that. So that would, that would be a good spot to like give him a layup of like, okay, you definitely knew him a lot by 2003. Let's go through the history and get that on record. Furthermore, Henry says Jesse Kornbluth wrote a book about Drexel Burnham Lambert and told Craig Unger that you, quote, spent a lot of time, unquote with Epstein in the 1980s. Does that sound right? So that would be the follow up question and report commission by Apollo Global in the New York Times. Say you were introduced to Epstein in the 1990s. Can you clear that up? You know, Henry, Henry, dude, Henry's got that lawyer dog in him, bro.

[Joey Deef]

He does.

[Julian Dorey]

He got that lawyer dog barking in him. For those who don't remember Henry Abbott who was on the show, he's a longtime NBA reporter. And I told the whole story before. I will. I don't need to tell it again right now. But like, long story short, he fell into this Epstein story through like the back door of like some owners who were of teams that were connected to Epstein in 2020 and then, or 2019 actually, and then just went all the way with it and has continued with it to this day. So it's amazing work. And right there you can see a 1, 2, 3. Like, wait a minute, we got a little. We got a long form relationship. That's definitely clear. So let's get you honest about that on the record to start. And now. So let's go the record of different claims of when you met him, including some own claims that Leon Black himself had made to see if there's some sort of lie in there or wrong timeline that you can kind of catch him with. And again, they only got to speak with this guy for like an hour today. I'll get to that in a few minutes. So chances are most of these questions were not asked. Henry goes on. He's just getting warmed up. Many people have testified that they didn't see Epstein interact with women. You are different. You called Epstein, quote, a lover, unquote, in writing, and discussed several different kinds of women and wet dreams. It's. It's refreshing that it seems we finally have a witness who can testify to the nature of Epstein's relationship with women. What did you witness that caused you to write those things in the birthday book? Damn. He's even got. Yeah, no, that's good. How would you describe the interactions you saw Epstein have with women. Did any of them strike you as inappropriate? And what is quote, max Maxwellian delight, unquote, which is definitely clearly a reference to Ghislaine Maxwell Maxwellian delight. And then he goes, in your $62.5 million settlement with the US Virgin Islands, this did happen. Joey, Dave, you, Leon Black, acknowledge that Epstein used the money you paid him to partially fund his operations in the Virgin Islands. When did you come to understand what those operations were, by the way? When he made that settlement, which was in. I have that. That would have been one second. That settlement would have been in 2020.

[Joey Deef]

2023. Two and a half.

[Julian Dorey]

So it is 2023 when they settled it, because.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, he agreed with them in 2023.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay, great.

[Joey Deef]

So it might have started before then.

[Julian Dorey]

Excellent. Okay, so we got that back to what Henry was saying right here. So when he did that, part of that payment was to ensure future immunity. Immunity from criminal acts.

[Joey Deef]

I don't know.

[Julian Dorey]

It's kind of an interesting.

[Joey Deef]

It's good stuff.

[Julian Dorey]

Well, yeah, it's great stuff. Henry goes on. Senator Ron Wyden wrote you a letter asking if the money you said you paid Epstein for tax services was a pr, was a, quote, pretext for other more nefarious tasks Epstein performed on your behalf. Newly released emails between Epstein and your assistant suggest that Epstein was engaged in unseemly tasks on your behalf that will need to remain unknown. What did you understand Epstein to be referring to when he emailed you that in 2004? Henry goes on once more. Bill Gates recently testified behind closed doors in front of Congress that he thought Epstein tried to blackmail him. Did you ever have the feeling Epstein was trying to blackmail you? To your knowledge, did Epstein's properties contain hidden cameras? Did Epstein ever reference or did you ever observe him holding compromising material on an individual? I mean, this is. This is just gold. This goes on and on and on and on. So we're gonna link that down below so you guys can see all the questions he would have asked, But. Thief. Let's pull up the article of what happened today. The Politico one right there, where it says full article. So that's. That's the other one. We're going to come to that in a minute. Yeah, there was this. This is the crazy thing when this story was still just being, like, really pushed under the rug in the year since 2020, Puck News did an amazing, I guess, interview that was written about afterwards with Leon Black that was very revelatory by what he was willing to say and what I would better describe it as, what he was clearly seeming to obfuscate on is Puck.

[Joey Deef]

Is Puck new?

[Julian Dorey]

I haven't heard. Yeah. You know who was there and then left to go on her own was Tara Palmeri.

[Joey Deef]

Oh, there you go.

[Julian Dorey]

She went to Puck, I want to say, from Politico before that.

[Joey Deef]

Okay.

[Julian Dorey]

And that's how I knew about it. But she didn't write this particular story and this was when she was still there. And I didn't see this when it came out. This was the first time I've seen it. But before we get there, just as a rehash, this is from Politico today just to give us an idea of what exactly went on the Oversight Committee slapped Leon Black with two subpoenas in the middle of his transcribed interview about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein after Black refused to answer questions about potential non disclosure agreements he had with women tied to the late convicted sex offender. Oversight Committee Chair James Comer, Republican from Kentucky, announced the issuance of the subpoenas for the NDAs and for black to reappear for a formal deposition on July 16 after the first hour of Black's interview had concluded with the billionaire investor insisting he would not discuss the terms of those agreements. Those being the NDAs. Did I put something in there about. Yes. So I said, what are the nature, what is the nature of the NDAs in question? This is sourced from the New York Times, The Guardian, Politico, House.gov and CNN all put together. But the House Oversight Committee's questioning centered on the following key concerns regarding the NDAs. Number one, Epstein's potential involvement. Committee Chairman James Comer stated that lawmakers wanted to uncover whether Jeffrey Epstein was involved in drafting the NDAs, writing the terms, or allocating the funds to women. You're going to hear about the work he did for Leon Black. So it's very possible he could have been involved in all that. The Fixer Allegations the committee is investigating claims previously raised by Senate Democrats that Epstein may have acted as a fixer to secure the silence of women who were paid tens of millions of dollars and then shared accusers. Lawmakers noted that more than one of Epstein's accusers had also previously acc Black of sexual misconduct. Lawmakers are seeking to determine if the NDAs were used to suppress those allegations. I I'd say that's all pretty relevant. It's all pretty relevant. So Black and it Going back to Politico, Black had initially agreed to appear voluntarily. Again, he's doing this out of the goodness of his heart. In the interest of transparency and bringing the truth to the people. Just make sure you don't videotape it or, you know, ask him about those NDAs. Right? No, we believe the information is vital to our investigation, Comer told reporters Friday. We want to know, was Jeffrey Epstein involved in the NDAs. Rep. Robert Garcia, Democrat from California, the top Democrat on the panel, seconded Comer's decision to force a deposition to compel information that he also described as central to the panel's ongoing upstream probe. A rare moment of bipartisanship and an investigation that has been plagued. Bipartisan bickering. Let's go down deep. Well, we'll get back to his lawyer, but

[Joey Deef]

more.

[Julian Dorey]

Let's go down a little farther. Okay. Comer had also asked Acting Attorney General Todd Blanch to speak with his panel in the coming weeks after Bondi accused him of being at the tip of the spear in covering the eventual release of the Epstein files. In compliance with the law Congress passed in December, members will have more to ask to blanche following a Thursday court ruling. They just tossed this one in here right at the end.

[Joey Deef]

Nice.

[Julian Dorey]

Where federal judge said the Justice Department effectively conceded it had been violating the law Congress passed last November requiring the agency to release the vast majority of government records related to Epstein. The judge gave blanche one week to release certain names and other information that was redacted from the files. Otherwise, DOJ must provide a more detailed explanation for why it has not published them. The court order said you didn't hear anything about that. You didn't really see tweets about that that at least went viral in any way. You didn't see big news articles about that. And it's tossed in on the end of this article, which I appreciate, Politico at least putting it in there, as a result of Leon Black's separate testimony today, Friday, that that ruling happened on Thursday where the fucking attorney general of the United States conceded to federal court that they were in violation of a law passed that required them to release the documents. And now they're going to be given a reason. They're going to be given the opportunity to give a reason why that's okay. And a judge will then rule on whether or not that's okay. This to quote my friend Ed Calderon, who was here this past weekend, again, two great episodes coming for you, by the way. This is Banana Republic type shit.

[Joey Deef]

They're gonna say, your honor, there's a war in Iran.

[Julian Dorey]

How are we gonna do that?

[Yasmine Ansari]

Patriot?

[Julian Dorey]

Come on, your honor, are you a patriot?

[Joey Deef]

There Are ballistics flying.

[Julian Dorey]

Ballistics flying over our heads.

[Joey Deef]

And you want. You're worrying about some silly democratic hoax.

[Julian Dorey]

That's right. A little bit of rape. Well, we haven't seen that before. That's where we're at, Joe.

[Joey Deef]

Just a little.

[Julian Dorey]

That's Ed's exact. But that's what they're calling it.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

What are you gonna do?

[Joey Deef]

Well, hey, I wish them good luck the next week. They got seven days as far as I'm concerned.

[Julian Dorey]

They got seven days.

[Joey Deef]

Actually, six. It was ruled yesterday.

[Julian Dorey]

Well, five and a half now, Joe.

[Joey Deef]

Clock's ticking. Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Friday night.

[Joey Deef]

Clock's ticking.

[Julian Dorey]

Clock's. I know you. You got your alarm set. Oh, dude, you'll be looking at 12pm I will be.

[Joey Deef]

And you know what I'm going to. I'm going to say, oh, what a surprise.

[Julian Dorey]

That's right.

[Joey Deef]

That's what I'm going to say.

[Julian Dorey]

Joe Deep is going to be wearing his. Erica Kirk, get up.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Outside the giant sign saying they lied again.

[Joey Deef]

Yep. I might. I might have to band together with her. We're going to take care of this thing. Bottom of it.

[Julian Dorey]

Get to the bottom of it. It's quite the tag team right there.

[Joey Deef]

Oh, God. All right.

[Julian Dorey]

What were you saying about biz?

[Joey Deef]

Something about this.

[Julian Dorey]

What I want you to hit is the one you had ready to go.

[Joey Deef]

Oh, yeah, the big one.

[Julian Dorey]

The big one.

[Joey Deef]

The puck.

[Julian Dorey]

Okay.

[Joey Deef]

Right in the net.

[Julian Dorey]

And I. I gotta. I gotta take this one on the chin. Like I said a few minutes ago, I did not see this article a couple years ago when it came out. This is from April 2024. Wow. It was sitting right in front of us this entire time.

[Joey Deef]

That's how it always goes with this.

[Julian Dorey]

It's called Leon Black from the Ashes. I see what they did there. I see what they did there. That's a.

[Joey Deef]

That's good. That's a good one.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah. It said, that's good copy. For the first time since his controversial departure from Apollo, Black speaks about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and his tumultuous final year at the firm he created. And also in here, we've talked about this before, but his co founder, Josh Harris, the younger one of the two younger founding partners, who Leon Black had a falling out with, allegedly over the Epstein thing, where Josh Harris was trying to take the stand to push Black out in 2020 after his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein came open, which I gave Josh Harris credit for publicly, only to find out that he also had a little relationship with Jeffrey Epstein as well, that he didn't Want people to know about. Until, of course, the files came out. Also a terrible sports owner, by the way. I'm a big Sixers fan. He owns the team down there. We all want him to sell it, but neither here nor there. So I rescinded any of that previous whatever credit that I gave him. But Henry Abbott was telling me there's also, like, in the files. I gotta look at this more, but there's like a weird requested 2.4 million dollar payment involving Harris and Epstein. Nice as well.

[Joey Deef]

It's probably. That's probably clean.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah. Maybe some. Maybe some of you guys out there can give some context in the comments with a link. So I gotta look at that more. But I know Henry's on that as well. But on a re. This article is written by William D. Cohan. I'm saying that.

[James Comer]

Right.

[Julian Dorey]

Right.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Kohan.

[Joey Deef]

I don't think it's Cohen. It's Cohen.

[Julian Dorey]

Kohan. Right.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah. William D. Cohen.

[Julian Dorey]

Cohan's kind of hard, you know, it's like Cole Han. Yeah. Kohan. All right. On a recent afternoon, Leon Black and I were sitting in his family office, Elysium Pochett.

[James Comer]

Damn it.

[Julian Dorey]

That's such a hard name. Elysium Partners.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Joe, do you know what this is behind me?

[Joey Deef]

The Elysium?

[Julian Dorey]

That's Elysium. He fucking took Maximus bar for bar word.

[Joey Deef]

They know what they're doing. They're intellectual.

[Julian Dorey]

Sitting in his family office, Elysium Partners, on the top floor of a nondescript building on Park Avenue near 57th Street. He said he chose the space not for the building's architecture, but rather because it was a big wraparound balcony that was lovely in the warmer months.

[Joey Deef]

How nice.

[Julian Dorey]

We were having a light lunch along with a his PR team of deli sandwiches, making small talk before engaging in the matter at hand, discussing how Black's extraordinary career had been upended by a seemingly inexplicable relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Now, this is a nice little review of Leon Black's backstory that we have discussed at length in some of these episodes before. So we'll read this paragraph. Prior to 2019, of course, Black had enjoyed one of the most charmed runs in the history of finance. Always seemed to be in the right place at the right time. The descendant of a long line of Orthodox rabbis, he attended Fieldstone, Dartmouth and Harvard Business School. Survived the harrowing suicide of his father, took a header off the Pan Am building. Who was also an Orthodox rabbi who became an immensely successful corporate CEO before jumping to his death during Leon's second year at Harvard. And then Leon became head of M and A at Drexel Burnham Lambert, the hard charging investment bank that was famously brought to ruin by the misdeeds of Michael Milken, the genius creat of the junk bond market. From the ashes of the Drexel implosion in 1990, Leon started Apollo Global Management along with several other Drexel alumni and became one of the true pioneers of what we now call alternative asset management, a powerful combination of private equity and private credit that has spawned a multi trillion dollar industry. Leon's gone from Apollo, but he's still its largest shareholder thanks in large part to his roughly 93 million Apollo shares and a world class art collection along with other trophy assets, making his net worth these days around $14 billion. Not missing any meals. Not bad, not too bad, Leon. He's hanging in there. But he rattled off the names that hung out with Epstein at one time or another, including Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Mort Zuckerman, Reid Hoffman, Tom Pritzker, Jess Staley, Noam Chomsky, so on and so on, all seemingly doing just fine, according to Leon.

[Joey Deef]

I like this too. Who you have dinner, right?

[Julian Dorey]

He loved having dinner. He then paused, he did the dramatic pause. He's just picture him up on this balcony of the Elites in Manhattan where he's like, ah, this guy was friends. That guy was friends. Pause for dramatic effect. I'm not in any way, shape or form defending Jeffrey. Glad to hear that on the record, Leon. I'm defending me. I don't believe any of those guys knew that Jeffrey was a pedophile. Not one of them, and I certainly didn't. I thought he was a fascinating guy. So yes, I spent time with him. I'd go up, have lunch or breakfast with him because I lived two blocks from him. It was right on the way, you know. And we would talk about tax and estate planning and financial things. That's all they talked about. This guy, Jeffrey Epstein, who literally, according to testimony of everyone who was ever around and around him, needed to have sex. Or, you know, it was sex or biz dude, it needed to. That's how he rolled orgasm. What was it, like 14 times a day? I'm sure the only thing these guys ever discussed when he clearly saw him all the time was financial planning anyway. Or Leon continued, he would go to Epstein's house and have dinner with him and people he knew such as Woody Allen and Dick Cabot or even Steve Bannon. Everybody looks at it through the lens of this is public enemy number one. For being a pedophile, Black told me, referring to the author of the article. He was smart and I thought he performed services for a bunch of his associates. Yes. And he was a bit offbeat and counterculture and eccentric. Yes. The end reiterated the points that have since been examined, sometimes opaquely, in the media, in the ball, in the Apollo boardroom, and in an external investigation by an independent law firm, which we already mentioned wasn't too independent. That he never had anything to do with Epstein's criminal or I don't even know purian activities. That he merely shared personal information with Epstein about his family, specifically his children, in order to obtain Epstein's help in reconfiguring their trust and their inherent. And their inheritances. After clashing with his previous tax attorney, a partner at a major Wall street firm, Epstein, he continued, redesigned the trust to satisfy. Satisfy the needs and whims of each of Black's four children. Meaning he was asking questions like who was ambitious, who cared about money, who didn't if they had issues, he explained. So how I deal with that in the will? Meaning he's looking at Jeffrey Epstein to be a psychologist of his own family and trusting him with making clear judgments on the standing in the will of his own four children. Okay, that's not just like an advisor. That's someone that's like.

[Joey Deef]

It's an intimate relation.

[Julian Dorey]

That's an intimate relationship. No pun intended there. That's someone that you trust immensely. Or Joey Dee, if you just gotta, you know. Or you don't even gotta put on tinfoil for this one. I know you're readjusting your sniper hat over there, but.

[Joey Deef]

Like my Kirk cap.

[Julian Dorey]

That's right, but. Or because you're forced to.

[Joey Deef]

Well, go with the ladder on that one, sir.

[Julian Dorey]

I might go on the ladder with that one. Our recent conversation marked the first time, if we scroll down, that Leon has publicly discussed his affiliation with Epstein since leaving Apollo in March 2021. Shortly after Epstein's apparent suicide in August 2019, a series of damaging articles came out. Yada da da da. And Black responded by urging a special committee of the Apollo board to hire a law firm to investigate his association with Epstein. It chose Andrew Levander, who we mentioned that Henry Abbott's been doing work on at Detchert for the job. And even though the law firm cleared of any wrongdoing, it revealed that he did even more business than previously known with Epstein. Apollo's large limited partners, such as Cowpers, expressed concerns, or at least some of Black's younger gener General partners wanted to oust him and to begin planning for a new Apoll without Leon. Their conclusion, Black had to go. And this is where, if you scroll down, he mentioned, snarkily, he refers to Josh Harris, who I mentioned as St. Josh, who had orchestrated the coverage of him in the media in conjunction with Steve Rubenstein, one of Apollo's PR gurus, to try to force him out. Leon later filed a RICO lawsuit targeting both Harris and Rubenstein, among others, claiming they conspired against him. And by the way, this did end with Josh Harris leaving Apollo, part Apollo Global, and starting his own place as a result. As a result of all this, Mark Rowan ended up taking over. But the location of our chat at his family office was fitting given the work he and Epstein engaged in. And so I asked Leon what he was thinking when in 2006, this guy he had known for a decade at least, was once on the board of his family foundation, with whom he had discussed the nuances of his children's personalities, was suddenly be investigating by state and federal prosecutors for pedophilia and ended up in jail. I took it seriously, he told me, which is a direct admission that he was fully aware of this back during the time of the investigation. But I didn't take it that seriously. Nah, little, little pedophilia when in Rome, right. I mean, and I'm continuing to quote here, he was with a 17 year old prostitute, got prosecuted for it, got put away for a year, and as you know, according to him, even that person had shown an ID that she wasn't underage. My feeling is there are serious things and there are things that are less serious. I didn't think this was the end of the world, frankly. I'm always, you know, one thing over the years, not always, but like three out of four times I'll hear someone, for emphasis, use the word frankly somewhere. Yeah, there's usually a little bit of coverage going on there.

[Joey Deef]

I can't, I can't, I can't speak on that. I like frankly. Like frankly.

[Julian Dorey]

And not for nothing when people throw it on to like the end of a sentence though.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Where it's dead space. It didn't need to be said. Yeah, it's a little salt, that's something. I see. He then relates this to Michael Milken, who went to jail for like a little bit of fraud, which to be clear, a lot less serious than being a pedo in my book at least, despite that also being a bad crime. He mentioned staying close with Alfred Taubman, the former. Sotheby's owner who was convicted of price fixing, and Martha Stewart, who had insider trading. He's like, we're still friends. They all went to jail. I didn't think being with a 17 year old prostitute who said she approved, she was over 17 was that big a deal. And this is where it gets complicated. That's, that's his quote again. There were what, like 52 accusers that were silenced in that. Yeah, 12 to 14. Yeah, you know, some sweetheart deal. Let's keep going, go down a little more deep. I want to, I want to skip some of this.

[Joey Deef]

So

[Julian Dorey]

he goes through the nature of the relationship, but I'm going to summarize some of this rather than reading it. Essentially what Leon says is that especially in 2013, 2014, which is long after that birthday letter, by the way, where he said when he hugs and kisses. Yeah, loving kiss, loving kisses. You know, he mentions that Epstein figured out that there was, you know, this three to 400 million. I'm trying not to get too financially here, but that would be paid out to him if he didn't set it up correctly. And there was some sort of tax loophole that he could find to help Leon save money. Very, I'm skipping a bunch of stuff here, but very long story short, that would then lead to Leon saving a ton of money that Jeffrey Epstein asked for a percentage of, meaning like a finder's fee on money that you wouldn't have saved without me. To which Leon Black said, no, no, no, I'll just pay you like 27 million here and 10 million there and 12 million here for fees. Fees that ended up between the years, I believe, 2012 and 2017, adding up to like $170 million. And actually this was one place in the article where I actually, if I'm going to be fair, have to steal man. Something that I've heavily criticized in the past, I talked about in a previous episode at least once. You know, someone with a $10 to $14 billion estate obviously is a big estate, but anyone paying $170 million to an estate advisor in that period, like, you better be a trillionaire. Yeah, like Elon Musk. It's a lot of money. However, again, I'm always going to go where the evidence is to at least point out the possibilities. I'm not saying this is what it is, but I have to point this out. If in fact Epstein wanted a percentage of money that he was saving and he was saving money in the hundreds of millions of dol dollars that maybe could get up Towards a B. Because he, as you'll see in this article, he started also advising Black on how to hide money through artwork, which is a whole scam. We really gotta do it.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, that's a really good one.

[Julian Dorey]

It's crazy. Like he was saving him a lot of different money and he wanted a cut of it. He wanted, you know, the marketing cut, whatever it was, maybe 20%. Leon Black, hypothetically, if you do the math here, probably paid him less money than what that cut was paying him. 170 million over a five year period. What's 170 divided by five?

[Joey Deef]

Like that's like 35.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, something that like that. It starts to make a little more sense. But again, 34.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Why do you have to work with Epstein? That question doesn't get answered. Why is he with him all the time? Why does he have such a close relationship? Why does he deny, as he did in his testimony today, that he ever knew about anything with Epstein, with women, when very clearly he was making hardcore references to it in a love letter poem for his birthday back in 2003? All that shit does get cleared up. Also, if Jeffrey Epstein found some of these things, why did other advisors of his not find it when. And, and again this is, this is where I gotta, you know, check the, the knowledge of these types of financial situations. This is above my pay grade to be clear here. But in reading the details as it's written in this article, it doesn't feel like Jeffrey Epstein reinvented the fucking wheel, you know, And I, I mean even like I worked in a totally part different part of Wall street when I was on there. But like I knew so many people who were so aware of different tax structures and loopholes and being able to do it in a, in a legalized way for ultra high net worth people. I just can't imagine you'd have to deal with the college dropout who's always around women that may or may not look un underage. It that just. There's nothing in here that answers that question. But continuing on in the article, according to Leon's recollection, Epstein urged him to take his ideas to Leon's other law firms to see not only if they agreed with his assessments, but also if they would work more cheaply than Epstein. Leon did that, he told me and his various lawyers agreed that Epstein's proposed solution would work, that his fee was reasonable, all things considered. There was a meeting with Epstein where he raised it as a solution. According to a person familiar with the situation, his proposal was vetted by lawyers and discussed with Leon. And there was a decision that was made in consultation with others at the family office. And then it was documented in agreement drafted by Paul Weiss, the law firm. And then the author says, I'm told no one has questioned the legality of Epstein solution for Leon, including Ron Wyden, the US Senator from Oregon and chairman of the Senate Committee on Finance, who has made a passion project in recent years publicly highlighting and questioning the tax avoidance schemes of billionaires, including Leon. But you know, maybe he's an untouchable. So after Leon, after solving Leon's tax and estate problems and having gained Leon's trust and confidence, he was clever. He said all legal, very clever, referring to Epstein. Epstein started advising Leon on how he could approve improve the operation of Elysium, his family office, how to buy his artworks, jets and yachts in a more tax advantage way, and how to make transfers between financial entities. This is the part that where Leon Black says it was complicated threading needles. Epstein was ubiquitous. And this is where it all gets into price. So I went through that. We can skip that deep. Let's go down a little more. So according to Leon, he first met Epstein in 1996. This is him saying it on the record. This is on a public record in an interview with this, with this author, which again, going back to Henry Abbott's proposed line of questioning, you'd have to make him corroborate this and then you might be able to prove he met him earlier, which then would mean he'd be lying on the record. So if they get to ask him that on video on July 16, we might be able to get a perjury there. Leon says he met Epstein in 1996 at the suggestion of Elliot Skip Stein, an old friend in Wall street polymath. Leon Stein and Epstein had lunch together at China Grill, which used to be at the corner of 53rd street and 6th Avenue on the ground floor of BlackRock, the old headquarters of CBS. I think that's a. Is that a different BlackRock? Is that it's. It's spelled and capitalized the same way.

[Joey Deef]

That's. Well, yeah, it's probably blackrock now. Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

He said there was no purpose to the get together. None at all. Skip just said Epstein had a circle of very interesting friends and was very engaging. At the time, Epstein was a trustee of Rockefeller University, appointed by no less than David Rockefeller himself, and was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. Epstein was hanging out with friends that were heads of state Such as Israeli leader Ahud Barak, who was not even prime minister yet at the time, by the way. And Nobel laureates as well as acclaimed academicians and noted philanthropists, Leon said. A year after the China Grill lunch, Leon appointed Epstein to be a trustee of his family foundation, which struck me, the authority, as a rather intimate act for someone he barely knew. Why had he done that? First, Leon wanted me to know that his foundation board, quote, didn't do anything. I don't think we ever even had one meeting. So why do you need someone on, you know, on the board anyway? Why do you give it to him?

[James Comer]

Right.

[Julian Dorey]

Having said that, he continued, Epstein really understood tax very well and had told Leon he worked with many other prominent families on tax and state matters. Although that was a boast. Leon told me he couldn't confirm directly because of privacy and confidentiality, confidentiality issues. So he just took this Coney island motherfucker at his word. He did know that Epstein had worked at Bear Stearns for a few years and remained friendly with Jimmy Cain and Ace Greenberg, the top two Bear executives who apparently vouched for Epstein's intelligence. This rang true to me. Greenberg recruited Epstein to Bear Stearns, which we covered before. After he met him at Dalton School where he had taught one of Ace's children. Jimmy occasionally told me about Epstein when I was interviewing him for my book in 2009, House of Cards. This the author speaking right now. Epstein was, quote, an intriguing figure, unquote. Leon recalled he was almost like James Bond villain, uses the word villain. Cuz all his staff were good looking women. Not underage, he emphasizes, but good looking. The one time he flew on Epstein's jet, he says, up to Boston along with two of his four children to visit Harvard and MIT as part as the requisite college admissions circuit. His pilot was a beautiful girl with blonde hair down to her waist in a black turtleneck. Leon said, that's why I say like a James Bond villain. He told me he assumed Epstein's money came from trading and advising other wealthy individuals. And then it starts talking about where this all came down in 2019. Let's keep going. And all everyone starts coming in on Leon uncovering everything. Basically, Leon schedules the board meeting in 2020 in emergency capacity to look to investigate himself. You know, full blown vibes of the CIA investigated itself about crack in Los Angeles and found no wrongdoing. And he reiterates that he never worked, that Apollo never worked with Epstein. Let's keep going. And then it goes through this DETERT report, which we're going to do a deeper dive on that is Andrew Levander, the person who he himself had worked with EPSTEIN Back in 1992. And, you know, he found no wrongdoing in 60,000 pages or something like that and said they looked through all his texts and everything. But Joey Dee. Joey Deef did his own little looking through texts before we got on air and kind of contradicts what this very powerful law firm said, which is that there was nothing, you know, to quote Howard Lutnick, untoward going on or code words or anything like that. They said that absolutely none of that was between whatever they looked at in the communications of Leon Black or people around him and Jeffrey Epstein. But Deef, I. I know you got this.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, that's not necessarily the case. It's not. It's not. There's multiple code words that we could look at here.

[Julian Dorey]

Color me shocked. What do we got?

[Joey Deef]

Let's bring some of them up. Well, first one being things that will need to remain unknown.

[Julian Dorey]

Who would ever say that?

[Joey Deef]

In a 2014 email, Epstein told Black, there is little I won't do for you or at least try to do as a friend in a great deal that I have already done. Parentheses, both known and some things that will need to be. Need to remain unknown. Investigators have specifically asked Black what he understood this to mean, and I'm sure we got a great answer.

[Julian Dorey]

I'll bet it was very creative.

[Joey Deef]

The other one being Leon L. The reporting on Epstein's correspondence with women in his orbit, including Russian women, one specifically named Myrina Chernova, and others, notes that they often referred to Leon or Elle, which Senator Wyden believes refers to Black, a designation used in messages discussing money, visits, gifts, and.

[Julian Dorey]

What's that third one in quotes? Gifts.

[Joey Deef]

Gifts, quote, unquote.

[Julian Dorey]

They had some fucked up gifts in this orbit. You do have to put that out there.

[Joey Deef]

Yep.

[Julian Dorey]

What else we got?

[Joey Deef]

Another one is saving you from yourself. This one was from ABC. In a 2017 email, Epstein described his relationship with Black as, quote, saving you from yourself, end quote. Language investigators see as ambiguous and possibly euphemistic about what Epstein held over him. Mm, that's a good one.

[Julian Dorey]

That's a great one.

[Joey Deef]

Another good one is just. I mean, this is a simple one. But in more than 300 times in the files, we see a please call Leon Black or a Leon Black, return your call.

[Julian Dorey]

So 300 times, lots of correspondence. Yeah, those are the ones that they actually wrote out to, you know, not the ones that. But, I mean, he was only two blocks away.

[Joey Deef]

Joey Deef Yeah, they could send a paperboy, right? They probably did.

[Julian Dorey]

They probably have paper boys. They probably have paper boys right there.

[Joey Deef]

For sure. That's dark. That's. Yeah, but it doesn't look good for Leon. It does look good for Leon also.

[Julian Dorey]

I forgot one detail, too.

[Joey Deef]

This is.

[Julian Dorey]

This is also going right back to Henry Abbott's long time pounding the table. Please look at this. But could we google Jay Clayton real fast? Just latest job description.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Comer]

This is.

[Julian Dorey]

The guy just slithers his way into many, many places. He was just named something by Trump.

[Joey Deef]

Let's pull him right up.

[Julian Dorey]

Nomination, go to the top United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York. Where was Jeffrey.

[James Comer]

Wow.

[Julian Dorey]

Being tried.

[Joey Deef]

Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

So Jay Clayton has some long standing ties, we'll say around pure spec here, around the Jeffrey Epstein situation. And ironically, going back to that Puck news article, as part of his resignation as CEO, his being Leon Black. Apollo announced that Leon would remain chairman of the Apollo Board of Directors as he remained the firm's largest shareholder. You got chez, you got power. That arrangement lasted for about two more months. On March 22, 2021, Rowan succeeded Leon as CEO and Leon stepped down as chairman of the board. You want to guess who replaced him?

[Joey Deef]

Who was it enlightened? Me.

[Julian Dorey]

Jay Clayton, the former chairman of the sec, which was also another job he previously held. And Sullivan and Cromwell attorney, which. Oh, my God. Wait a second. Deep. Can you google Sullivan and Cromwell Dulles. I think I'm thinking of the wrong one. I just got to make sure. Oh, my God. I'm not thinking of the wrong one. The Dulles brothers, John Foster and Allen, were powerhouse partners at the Wall street law firm Sullivan and Cromwell before shaping U.S. foreign policy during the 1950s and whacking a sitting United States president in 1963. Neither here nor there, though their time at the firm blended corporate law with COVID global intelligence, fundamentally connecting Wall street interests with American foreign relations. Can you google one more thing for me, Joseph D. Philip?

[Joey Deef]

Yes.

[Julian Dorey]

I'm really gonna lose it if this fucking shows up. Can you google Sullivan? What's. What's it. Sullivan and Cromwell, Yeah. Treaty of Versailles, please. Now, please don't tell me they were there. The connection between the law firm Sullivan and Cromwell and the Treaty of Versailles rests primarily on John Foster Dulles, who later served as President Eisenhower's Secretary of State. A prominent corporate attorney, eventually the managing partner at Sullivan and Cromwell, Dulles helped draft critical financial reparations portions of the treaty during the 199019 Paris Peace Conference. Was he a Met. Can we ask anything right there. Was he a member of Sullivan and Cromwell at the time?

[Joey Deef]

Was.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah. Perfect. Oh, fire me up. I don't know if he was. Yes, he was a member of Sullivan and Cromwell during the 1919 Paris. You can't make this shit up. Oh my God. You can't make this shit up. So, you know, as a refresher Treaty of Versailles at the end of World War I set the course for World War II to happen. Because Germany, who was at fault in World War I, was fucked so far up the ass by the Treaty of Versailles that within a couple years of that being signed, they were burning Deutsche marks for fire on the streets. And then somehow, some way in the mid-20s, it didn't get great over there, but enough had, had recovered because there was such a boom around the world that like people weren't starving anymore in Germany. So a guy like Hitler couldn't quite rise to power even when he came out of prison. But then the 1929 crash conveniently happens, Crashes the whole global economy. Everyone goes back to being the dirt poor. And then you get the rise of Hitler and you get World War II and every thing that came with that. And once again, Devil's Chessboard, amazing book by Talbot, highlights all this and explains how the Dulles brothers, in particularly John Foster Dulles on this one, on the early part with the Treaty of Versailles, was at the center of that, working on behalf of Woodrow Wilson, the United States government, to create this whole problem. Also it created the failed League of Nations. You know, that was the first attempt at a UN which isn't doing so hot these days either. But you get the point. It all comes back to this stuff. And now fast forward all the way, you got Jay Clayton, long time around a lot of things. Weird finance. He working right at this firm and succeeding. Leon Black is chairman of the board and is now the Southern Dictionary, Southern District of New York United States Attorney as appointed by Donald J. Trump. Trump, whose administration is overseeing the release of these files or the U.N. the not releases of a lot of these files. It's just, it's just a. It's a George Carlin moment for the billionth time on this show. Joey Dee.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

But again, to correct the late great George Carlin. It's a little club and you and I ain't in it. It's not that big a club. They're. They. Jay Clayton gets to be another Forrest Gump in the fucked up version of Forrest Gump. Yeah, you know, mentally too. Can we google that? When did Jay Clayton step down because obviously he's in government now. He can't be chair of the board. When did Jay Clayton step down as chairman of the board of Apollo? Because he stepped in in 2021. March 22, 2021. I feel like we gotta do some more work on Jay. I'm gonna talk to Henry about that. I. I know, I know he's in on that. Yeah. He officially stepped down as chairman of the board at Apollo Global on April 21, 2025. He resigned to assume the role of interim u. S. Attorney for the southern district of New York. He got the call,

[Joey Deef]

they hit him on a celly.

[Julian Dorey]

He got the call, they hit the celly and that hotline bling too much to. Too much for him to pass up. Right?

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Now I'd also looked up and this is just what Google spit out at me. As you know, Google AI take that as you will with three just highlights of like some abuse or assault allegations that have been made against Leon Black, including three civil lawsuits. And these are what they laid out. The gazelle Geneva lawsuit, a former Russian model and Russian immigrant, former model and Russian immigrant alleged that blacks objected her to years of gender motivated violence, sexual harassment and forced sadistic sexual acts beginning in 2008. The lawsuit was dismissed though by New York state supreme court justice in 2023 who ruled that Geneva's claims were invalidated by a 2015 non disclosure agreement she signed. A state appeals court subsequently affirmed the dismissal and rejected her follow up defamation claims in January 2025. 2015 is when Jeff Epstein's working for Leon Black very heavily and still a free man out there. And alive. Probably still alive today, statistically speaking, just under an assumed identity and Palm Beach p. I don't think it's. I know, I know. Matan's really hung up on that and he's very cringe.

[Joey Deef]

I just love the people in the comments of the Instagram post. Oh yeah, you should all lose your license.

[Julian Dorey]

Yes. You know, yes, there's a. Google also gave me the Sherry Pearson lawsuit in 2022. A woman filed a lawsuit accusing black of brutally r wording her in 2002 at Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan townhouse when she was 16. It was discontinued. The lawsuit with prejudice voluntarily dropped by the plaintiff in February 2024. I love to see you knocked on her door today on men in black. Hey, hon. Is 2.2 milli. It's more than you'll ever see in your whole life.

[Joey Deef]

Yep. And she's like 2 mil.

[Julian Dorey]

That's all I Need you like your dog. Pure spec. This is specking. Just to the future judge watching this. This is just speculation. None of this happened. It's satire. I'm just saying, satirically speaking. You're gonna go away, right?

[Joey Deef]

Yep. I won't do a thing. Just give me that two mil.

[Julian Dorey]

That's right. No, no. You don't even want it, but I'm making you take it. Yeah, right.

[Joey Deef]

No.

[Yasmine Ansari]

Yeah.

[Joey Deef]

Just give me the 2 mil.

[Julian Dorey]

Jane Doe lawsuit was the third one in 2023. We've talked about this before. An autistic woman with Mosaic down syndrome filed a federal lawsuit alleging black R worded assaulted and severely injured her at Epstein's Manhattan townhouse in 2002, a year before that birthday, birthday letter when she was 16. So let's just review that. Autistic down syndrome. Underage assault alleged. The case remains pending in federal court, though the plaintiff's original law firm was sanctioned by a judge over certain evidence handling in April 2026. Interesting. Pure spec. That's all speculation, but again, we've referenced that one before. If. If that is, in fact true, that of all the allegations I have seen in the Epstein case, that could be the darkest.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, for sure.

[Julian Dorey]

I mean, that is. I don't think. Yeah. When you get into this conversation of what's darker than what.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah. You can't even do that.

[Julian Dorey]

It's all bad. Obviously, we've seen the code words in the email that could be referring to things that now we can't even take off the table anymore. You know what I'm talking about? That's like.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

You know how beyond. And I don't say this to make this comedic at all either, but I'm saying, like, how far beyond the most ridiculous south park parody have we reached? You know what I mean?

[Joey Deef]

For sure. Yeah. It's pretty crazy.

[Julian Dorey]

I want to get the video of the congresswoman there. You'll see it in that section of links. Congresswoman Yasmine Ansari walked out of the hearing today, which, actually, while you're pulling that up deep, right above it, we have footage of Leon Black walking out.

[Joey Deef]

All right, let me see.

[Julian Dorey]

So it's. It's below the Henry Abbott. Yeah, here we go. Let's get that full screen real quick. So this is Leon Black leaving, and, I don't know a perp walkish kind of thing. Today it's him leaving the hearing that he voluntarily came to out of the goodness of his heart. Will you comply with the subpoenas? He's being asked. He ain't Saying nothing. Tight lipped,

[Joey Deef]

big guy, kind of looks like Palo Zampoli. Wow.

[Julian Dorey]

Striking, striking profile. Yeah, he does, he does. Good call, Joe Dee. But right after this, Congresswoman Yasmine Ansari, who, I'm gonna be honest, I was unfamiliar with her, I don't really know anything about her, but she just was reacting to the testimony. I felt like this was a pretty. This is a nice one minute summary. So let's get this

[Yasmine Ansari]

committee over and over again. But today was, was even different than that. Leon Black was arrogant, he was smug. He refused to answer the questions, but at the same time was emphasizing how he was being transparent because this was voluntary. But when pressed on critical questions about his own sexual abuse and the allegations against against him and non disclosure agreements, he absolutely refused to answer these questions. So grateful that he will be returning under oath. That's how every single one of these should be. Under oath in a public hearing in front of the American people. Videotaped. We need full transparency for the survivors as well as for the American public. And finally, I want to bring it back to Todd Blanche and the fact that Todd Blanche is currently going through the process that Donald Trump has nominated him to be the Attorney General. Leon Black should have been investigated by Donald Trump's Department of Justice. We have enough evidence mentioned over 8,000 times in the Epstein file. So it is absolutely critical that the Senate do not confirm Donald Trump's former personal attorney, Todd Bland to be the next Attorney General of the United States. His cover up has to end immediately.

[Julian Dorey]

I listen again, optically speaking here, given Pam Bondi's testimony that she gave about Todd Blanche's involvement in the investigation and given the fact that it has now been reported that the New York Times article we went over in full detail for 95 minutes a couple weeks ago is apparently based on the fact that they obtained secret recordings from the fucking Situation Room, meaning they have the primary source. And that is where they're getting the direct quotes from, you know, where in there. It's reportedly said that Todd Blanche was effectively running this investigation from the beginning. Todd Blanche being the former personal attorney for Donald Trump, you know, the conflict of interest is insane. And like even if there's nothing wrong there, and it certainly feels like there is to be very clear, you know, find someone else to be Attorney General, this is just gonna open up questions that you don't wanna have. And Todd Blanche has been cringe at every aspect of this investigation. And I will say this, as that New York Times report did show Joey Deef. Yep, Todd Blanche Asked to go on Joe Rogan and was denied. So, so again, good on Joe for denying that. I'll leave that there. But Rep. Dave Min also came out and said today's oversight interview with Leon Black was a voluntary interview and he incredibly claimed that he had zero contact with women through Epstein and that he knew nothing about any sex trafficking, which Dave Min calls complete horseshit. But when we started asking questions about the non disclosure agreements he made a number of women and girls sign, he. He stopped answering questions. And the GOP majority responded by actually doing the right thing and issuing subpoenas to him then and there to turn over all NDAs to appear in a sworn deposition later this summer. Nice to see some bipartisan actual credit going on there. I appreciate that. And good call on James Comer at least. Again, you gotta take the smallest little wins here and see if they actually do something with it. But as a good first step, we are now going to get some video testimony on July 16th and if it ends up being a fucking dog and pony show, we will be the first to call it out here and say it was all a lie anyway. Billionaire investor Leon Black said Friday that Jeffrey. This is from pbs. That Jeffrey Epstein deceived him during a years long relationship in which he paid the disgraced financier 158 million but insisted he committed no criminal wrongdoing as he appeared before the House Oversight Committee. Black in his testimony allegedly said, I knew Jekyll, but I didn't know Hyde. I, I want to know which attorney came up with that.

[Joey Deef]

What a classic.

[Julian Dorey]

They're just like, they're sitting Joey Deef. Just picture this. They're sitting on, you know, I don't know, maybe the rooftop of his.

[Joey Deef]

They're at Elysium Partners. They're out there. Yeah, maybe they're all nice little thing.

[Julian Dorey]

They're back at Elysium. They're having lunch last Saturday.

[Joey Deef]

Finger sandwiches.

[Julian Dorey]

Little finger sandwiches. Just like 20, 24. Little Kung Pao meeting. Every lawyer's making fucking $10,000 an hour at this meeting, which is nothing to this guy wor billion. And they're like, all right, we need a nice visual. These guys, these congressmen, they like visuals. They're politicians. Who's someone that's a real two. Oh my God.

[Joey Deef]

They're like, oh, I knew the yin, I didn't know the yang. You just said that because we're at the China place.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, you're right.

[Joey Deef]

We need something else.

[Julian Dorey]

We need something else. Doctors, they, they go around. I'll bet it was an associate. He was just waiting for his moment, his kids being paid. Like, he's like, sir. They were like, you bet.

[Joey Deef]

If you don't say something great right now, I'm shoving these chopsticks up your ass.

[Julian Dorey]

Up your ass.

[Joey Deef]

And he's like, okay, well, you want

[Julian Dorey]

to go to Mr. Purple tonight on me, sir.

[Joey Deef]

I knew Jekyll. I just didn't know Dr. Hyde.

[Julian Dorey]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Like, you are who hired Mos Def. Who hired him?

[Joey Deef]

Conscum. You are an idiot. And we love it.

[Julian Dorey]

We love it.

[Joey Deef]

It.

[Julian Dorey]

Here's an extra 100 grand. Have fun tonight.

[Joey Deef]

Bang.

[Julian Dorey]

That's how it went down. Pure spec.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah. No, I'm certain that's how. That's not pure spec.

[Julian Dorey]

That's not pure spec. Joey needs saying.

[Joey Deef]

That's me to court on that.

[Julian Dorey]

For me.

[James Comer]

That.

[Julian Dorey]

That's pure spec.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, it's pure spec.

[Julian Dorey]

But, you know, you can take me

[Joey Deef]

to court on that one.

[Julian Dorey]

Highest. Highest level of biz going on. The. The final thing I do want to see right there is, first of all, I do think I should clear this up, because I said this earlier. I mentioned three of the five that were paid to the. To Epstein's accountant, but just the full list is the Rothschilds, like I said. Les Wexner, Like I said. Leon Black, Like I said. But also Glenn Dubin and Stephen Sinofsky. Dubin is one. I keep saying we're gonna go look at Glenn and Eva Dubin and some of the stuff there. We do have to do that. We owe that to you guys out there. We haven't done that one yet. There's so much. There's so much here.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, there's so much.

[Julian Dorey]

There's always new information flying at us, so we gotta take a look at that. But can we just pull up the Comer reacts clip? Oh, you already got it. No, that's not it. Sorry I gave you this one.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Yep. So I just want to play the first minute and a half of this. We got to turn up the volume on the board deep because this one's lower than Yasmin's was. But this is Rep. James Comer coming out right after he threw those subpoenas at Leon Black, which led him to storm out of this. This voluntary hearing. So this is the committee chairperson's reaction. That's a small little paper right there.

[James Comer]

We have concluded our first hour, the majority hour of the deposition with Leon Black. I have just issued two subpoenas to Mr. Black. One for all the. The NDAs that he is party to. And second, for a deposition on July 16th.

[Julian Dorey]

July.

[James Comer]

This is a result of refusing to answer specific questions about the NDA, NDAs and the terms. We believe that information is vital to our investigation. I will remind everyone that Mr. Black came in voluntarily, but they are refusing to disclose that. So I have issued the subpoena and we are handed it to him as we speak to appear for a deposition, for a definition for the NDAs.

[Julian Dorey]

So they want to get those NDAs. That's on the record. There it is.

[James Comer]

This. The subpoenas in hand at this second. It was delivered as I was walking out the door.

[Joey Deef]

And I mean, what prompted this?

[Julian Dorey]

I knew you said that. He's not answering questions. What prompted this is what she's asking.

[James Comer]

His response was that he wasn't allowed to discuss the terms of the incident. NDAs. Are between him and other women. We want to know was Jeffrey Epstein involved in the NDAs? Was he involved in writing? Was he involved in awarding funds to the women for the NDAs?

[Julian Dorey]

Okay, let's pause it right there, Joey. If we have some lawyers out there watching this, this is. This is way above my pay grade now, so maybe you guys can step in and help us all out. What is the legality of looking into a civilly settled NDA where parties to that investigation are at least listed publicly or according to the official record, as dead, meaning Jeffrey Epstein? And therefore does that open up a legal pathway to being able to actually disclose those NDAs as it's pressure to a bigger criminal investigation for a person who is now, again, air quotes. They're listed as deceased, meaning it would supersede Leon Black's quote, unquote right to privacy, if that's even what it is. That he would have signed for an NDA. Joey D finds. And this is from Google. But again, I'd really like some lawyers to weigh in here. Death does not automatically void an NDA. Contractual obligations usually pass to the decadence estate or legal successors. However, an NDA cannot legally block you from reporting a crime. If the information is tied to an active criminal investigation, you have a solid legal pathway to disclose it. And I would imagine that pathway is powered when you have a literal section of the federal government requesting it.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure they'll. They'll have a nice curveball for it. But logically speaking. Sounds clean.

[Julian Dorey]

Sounds pretty clean to me. But again, let's get some lawyers in the comments there. If you can add something to that as well, let me know. And guys out there who aren't lawyers go look for those comments and give those up votes. So that. That gets up in the algo as well, because we get. There's like thousands of comments on a lot of these videos. So I don't. I don't want to get that lost if someone's giving great information. But you heard it mentioned a little bit ago where we were talking about how Bill Gates very quietly testified off camera behind closed doors. This was a few weeks ago. Now we haven't even gotten to it. We haven't even. And you know, that's.

[James Comer]

That.

[Julian Dorey]

That's on me.

[James Comer]

It.

[Julian Dorey]

It was in there, and then I never got to it. But he said publicly, because again, they did reveal when they walked out, similar to what you saw right there, what was said in there. They being the people on the committee that in many in New York business circles, I've obviously said it for years. Bill Gates seemed to confirm that Epstein blackmailed many of the world's wealthiest men. And he operated like Russian intelligence, gathering compromise throughout his network. Network, which is just a visual. It's not saying he was Russian intelligence, which, you know, that's not where he was working. But, you know, he definitely could have done work on a lot of different intelligence agencies, including them. But to make him sound like a Russian asset would be insane. But the visual there is great because of the word compromise, and that's a famous word from the Cold War that, you know, Russian KGB would get on people to blackmail them and get information over them. So the fact that Bill Gates is in such a corner that he feels like he has to say this when you then have someone like Leon Black who's trying to say he knew nothing about what Epstein was doing, despite the fact that I would argue Leon Black was even a lot closer with Epstein than Bill Gates was.

[James Comer]

Sure.

[Julian Dorey]

I could prove that mathematically.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Just by, like, what we know about meetings with him. And I would say Bill Gates knew him quite well, to be clear. You know, it just makes. It makes testimony like what Leon Black might be trying to claim there ring very, very hollow. There was also another story that went under the radar involving Zorro Ranch. Now. Now we've broken down the New Mexico thing and the weird eugenic society that Jeffrey Epstein was allegedly trying to make because he thought that his DNA was just so superior and all this other. And you've heard. Trying to think. You've heard Chris Hansen talk about victims he's spoken with who woke up on operating tables at Zorro Ranch, which if that doesn't send a chill down Your spine. I don't know what will. We've heard victims like Annie Farmer and her sister Maria Farmer talk about Zorro Ranch. Over the years. There were reports that Bill Clinton was at Zorro Ranch, and there. There's certain evidence that says that he can be placed there. I don't know if that's officially confirmed, so I'll say pure spec, but certainly looks interesting. And there were other notable people who I can't remember off the top of my head that have been placed there by victims and other witnesses. But this article is actually from June 9, so, again, this was a couple weeks ago. This isn't more than a couple weeks ago. This is one we. We hadn't gotten to. But a Democratic political strategist was flabbergasted on Tuesday after new reporting indicated that the Jeffrey Epstein scandal had taken disturbing turn. On Monday, Scripps News reported that former New Mexico Attorney General Hector Balderas was told to, quote, stand down, unquote, from investigating disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein. Zorro Ranch, about 40 miles south of Santa Fe. He told the outlet that he had been looking into crimes that Epstein may have committed there in 2019, until he received a call from the Southern District of New York telling him to back off as the federal government investigated the property. So let's just. Let's do a little review.

[Joey Deef]

Let's play some baseball.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, play some baseball. I like that. Little inside baseball.

[Joey Deef]

Baseball.

[Julian Dorey]

Jay Clayton, who's never heard of Jeffrey Epstein, never been associated with anyone, has ever been around Jeffrey Epstein. Obviously, I'm being tongue in cheek right there.

[Yasmine Ansari]

There.

[Julian Dorey]

Jay Clayton, in charge of the Sudden District New York, picks up the phone.

[James Comer]

Mm.

[Julian Dorey]

Hey, listen up, Tucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You. New Mexico, that's not even a state. We're in New York, where the federal government. This is ours. We've gotten everything about this investigation. Right. We have been a steward for all people out there who are upset about this case. We are. We are committed to nothing but transparency here in New York, unlike you incompetent people in New Mexico who had this operating right under your nose. You're going to stand down because the big boy federal government's coming in. We're going to take care of business. Okay? Yeah, yeah. You got that? Yeah. No, no, I know, I know, I know. We had James Comey's daughter on this case running. I know. That was a different. That was a different time. Yeah, yeah. No, no. It was the same president. Right, but then there was a new president there as well. I wasn't here during that, I. What are you talking to me for, pal? You live in new state government. Fuck off, Hector. You know this president's tough on the border. That last name's not looking too good. Oh, that last name's not looking too good. You want Madre and Padre and Tio and Tia? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can look that up, pal. That's right. Back off. This is our investigation. Don't worry. Just.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Justice, Victor. Yeah, we'll get to that Click. It's probably how it went.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Julian Dorey]

Hide. How'd I do?

[Joey Deef]

I think that's good. I think Hector doesn't live here anymore.

[Julian Dorey]

Well, he might live here, but, you

[Joey Deef]

know, he got the boot. The great migration. The great, as they call it.

[Julian Dorey]

We'll get Ed to go down there and rescue him.

[James Comer]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Oh, man. Mike Nellis, a political strategist, said in a new podcast episode on Tuesday that the report was both disgusting and disturbing. Mike, I think I agree with you. We have essentially one of the world's, if not the world's, greatest human traffickers, greatest abusers of little kids, greatest blackmailer, who has blackmailed so many people, corrupted so many people in the business and politics of government in Hollywood. God knows where else he stuck. His dark, twisted influence in our government has never searched his New Mexico ranch, which is owned by Steve Bannon's friend. A ranch that, by the way, was sold. Here it is. Was sold to Republican mega donor who was also running for statewide office in Texas, very recently endorsed by Steve Bannon. So the tangled web of this cover up and the scandal continues to unravel. And the more it does, the more it pisses me off, Steve. How could I forget this, though? Of course, they got to have the state government who they think is incompetent, layoff. And remember, they're trying to turn it into a Christian retreat.

[Joey Deef]

That's right. I'm getting baptized.

[Julian Dorey]

This nation was founded on Judeo Christian values. You're trying to bring it back to that, right?

[Joey Deef]

Yeah. No, I haven't been confirmed yet. I think I'm gonna have my confirmation there.

[Julian Dorey]

You're gonna get your guy out in New Mexico.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

It looked beautiful. And Breaking Bad.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, I like it. I'd go there, right? Smoke a little crystal. Smoke a little crystal and dig some holes.

[Julian Dorey]

That's. That's actually. Maybe that's.

[Joey Deef]

Maybe that's how they get to the bottom of this. Maybe they get a bunch of tweakers, give them crystal and a bunch of shovels, say, Zorro Ranch, you smoke as much meth as you want. Just get digging.

[Julian Dorey]

Don't fucking dig fast. That's what I'm saying.

[Joey Deef]

Might find some.

[Julian Dorey]

The problem is deep. They might, the shovel might hit some evidence, you know, and break it because they're not careful.

[Joey Deef]

A little evidence is better than no evidence is.

[Julian Dorey]

Right. So very interesting that Jay Clayton's office is the one to come in and do this again. I speculated it a few weeks ago. I talked to Henry about this today and actually I, I didn't. We'll talk to Henry about this on the podcast. I'll just put it this way. He, he seemed to be on a similar page with me. But my, if I had to bet today why Trump is so gung ho on making this go away. I really think it has something to do with Melania being introduced to him. I really, really do. Because that it wouldn't even matter what the truth is there. It wouldn't matter. Again, pure optics here. The optics of if the sitting first lady of the United States had been introduced to the sitting president of the United States decades ago by Jeffrey Epstein himself. Doesn't even does. You don't have to go beyond the headline. It is what it is. It's the biggest scandal in modern history. So that, that again, I don't have any proof of that. I don't know. It's been speculated by witnesses and stuff in official government documents. So that's literally the definition of some pure spec. But if I were betting and had to guess, throw darts at the board, that is probably his main concern. Again, also part of that 19 to 1999 to 2001 tranche of documents that strangely missing during some very important years including 9 11. A lot of different scandals going on, tech bubble crash, all this people investing in the airline stocks ahead of 9 11. All this stuff also in the middle of that. That is right around the time that Melania Trump meets Donald Trump. Just saying people, people, you know, when, when women, when your girl's involved beef.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Sometimes you do some interesting things. Yeah, right.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, that'll do it.

[Julian Dorey]

That'll do it. Also another one. I forgot about this one. This happens every week now. Sorry people, we're falling behind. I'm working on it. Jeffrey Epstein's assistant who's on all these fucking emails. Leslie Graff, as far as I know is from Connecticut and may still live in that state. Not going to dox her. Don't look up her address. Let's not dox her. But like she also testified for Congress. But it wasn't under oath and we didn't see it. Nice, Tara, pal. Mary was all over this. She's got content on it on her YouTube channel. We really got to set up that podcast at some point. We gotta talk to Kish about that. Yeah, but you know, here you have a woman who if can we go to jmail World just to lay this out for people? I mean, if you guys have reviewed any of the emails. Yeah, this is exactly the woman on all of it. Coordinating everything every single day for Jeffrey Epstein long after his conviction.

[Yasmine Ansari]

Fiction.

[Julian Dorey]

Let's type in Leslie Graph.

[Joey Deef]

Right? Is it.

[Julian Dorey]

Yeah, it's 2s, right? Where is it? How do you spell it again?

[Joey Deef]

I think that was correct. Oh, groff.

[Julian Dorey]

Oh, sorry. Search.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, I mean thousands. Thousands of them.

[Julian Dorey]

She's on thousands.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

You know, the. These are all the. When Howard Lutnick was trying to meet with him for business, philanthropy on a personal basis. You know, she's the one coordinating all that. Why is she so. Again, even if I devil's advocated it, there's no way this is true. And she knew nothing. It was totally innocent. Which is just no way. That's true. There's no way she doesn't know where bodies are buried here. But let's just. For the sake of argument, she got no idea.

[Joey Deef]

Yep.

[Julian Dorey]

She just out to lunch. Why on earth. Why on God's green earth has this woman not been in front of every camera sitting in a full blown open congressional hearing that everyone in the world can watch on C Span and therefore on every other news network carrying it live? Why? You know. Oh, I know why. Beef. We got the Iran war.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, we are in a war. Yeah, we're in a war.

[Julian Dorey]

You got to be patriotic here. That's the issue.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Distractions, distractions, distractions. But it's worse, by the way, it's not just that you won't appear. Congress did learn something great when she testified. According to Rep. Melanie Stansberry, Epstein's longtime executive assistant admitted that her legal fees, you know, she got nothing to hide, but she gotta hire a lawyer. Are being paid by a fund established through Epstein's estate. You can read that again as this tweet from Brian Allen at Brian Analysis on Twitter reads, jeffrey Epstein died in 2019, yet his money is still paying the attorneys of a key witness connected to his network. Then came another admission. She acknowledged helping arrange calls between Epstein and Trump, Prince Andrew and other powerful figures which actually that. That's not that groundbreaking. You can run the emails where she's doing a lot of this. Maybe some of that's not on email, but like every fucking person in the world so and so would like to call you. And somehow so and so works in the federal government these days and it's a billionaire. But that's the. Even now, Epstein's money appears to be shaping who can afford legal representation and who can't. I, again, maybe my lawyers in the comments can help me out with this. I don't know the legality of like whether it deranged criminals estate of ill begotten gains and money and dark dirty money that also paid off all the victims that he and a bunch of rich people around the world raped or whatever, you know, or whatever. A lot beyond that is what I mean when I say. Or whatever. I'm not, not downplaying that. I don't know the legality of like that estate being able to use that money and then help protect the people who are trying to cover their ass after the fact. But I would imagine it's frowned upon. Yeah, in, in a normal system, that would be pretty frowned.

[Joey Deef]

Usually I would.

[Julian Dorey]

I bet that that's, that's, that's usually a thing. But you know what?

[Joey Deef]

Deep.

[Julian Dorey]

I am sure, I have so much faith that things like this, these stories that we, we've even left behind some and, and you know, now we've had to play catch up to. Hopefully you guys can forgive us for that out here, but at least we're putting out here publicly. I am sure that someone with the size and control of a platform as large as one Barry Weiss has now, I am sure that she, through CNN and the free press and 60 minutes and all these different big beautiful outlets that she has full cable and digital media control over. I'm sure they're gonna be covering all this so that the American people at all times, at every level can be fully aware of the extent of the continued investigation. And Jeffrey Epstein. All right, she'll get to that.

[Joey Deef]

She's. Bari Weiss is a straight shooter, very straight shooter. And she's probably the last real journalist you ever seen. All the President's Men.

[Julian Dorey]

Yes.

[Joey Deef]

That's what I think of. She's the woman when I think of Bari Weiss.

[James Comer]

Right.

[Julian Dorey]

She's the dei. We needed a lesbian as the third wheel.

[Joey Deef]

Oh, I was thinking of the guy that has the hat and he's in the shadow that they meet in the garage.

[Julian Dorey]

Deep Throat.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, she's Deep Throat.

[Julian Dorey]

Oh, she's Deep Throat. Oh, she's the source, too.

[Joey Deef]

She's the source. She's playing both sides Playing both sides, but she's a straight shooter.

[Julian Dorey]

Straight shooter. Yeah.

[Joey Deef]

You know, what is the. What is the quote for the Washington Post? Democracy dies in the dark.

[Julian Dorey]

Democracy dies in darkness.

[James Comer]

Yes.

[Joey Deef]

Barry Weiss is the light.

[Julian Dorey]

I couldn't say that any better. Thanks. You thought about that one before?

[Joey Deef]

No, I just. That's.

[Julian Dorey]

That just came right.

[Joey Deef]

That's just how I do it.

[Julian Dorey]

That's why he's here.

[Joey Deef]

That's it.

[Julian Dorey]

It's just a creative genius.

[Joey Deef]

Yep.

[Julian Dorey]

That script's going good.

[Joey Deef]

It's going great.

[Julian Dorey]

It's going good. Joey Dee has a full movie script. Another one done.

[Joey Deef]

This one will actually get made. Like a feature length, you know?

[Julian Dorey]

Yes.

[Joey Deef]

And JD's gonna be on. On screen, folks. Yeah. He's playing Barry Weiss.

[Julian Dorey]

Yes.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

Yes. I'm working on her accent right now. It's very. It's very unique.

[Joey Deef]

So we're sending you to a few lesbian bars in the city for research.

[Julian Dorey]

I. I'm. I'm a great ally.

[Joey Deef]

Playing dodge. Playing dodgeball with him at the park.

[Julian Dorey]

That's right. Nice talking with a lot of them to do some research and they've been a great help.

[Joey Deef]

Nice.

[Julian Dorey]

They're all fans of Barry Weiss, too.

[Yasmine Ansari]

Too.

[Joey Deef]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian Dorey]

But, you know, Barry Weiss obviously works for one of the greatest living Americans, Larry Ellison. Who?

[Joey Deef]

Straight shooter.

[Julian Dorey]

Straight shooter, who cares about nothing but America's interests, has never, ever advocated for the interests of anywhere outside of America. Actually, it's just a tech founder creating great surveillance technology on behalf of the United States out of the goodness of his art.

[Joey Deef]

Well, yeah, if you. If you're a titan of industry, you can't do no wrong. So that's why he's a likable guy.

[Julian Dorey]

Guy you can't do no wrong. And I'm sure he was very happy to see all the progressive victories in New York City or New York's general elections. Yeah, last week. I'm sure Larry Ellison was a fan of that. Can I. Can I just give a word of advice for everyone who is complaining about this? Look, if it were up to me, obviously I don't like any politicians and everything, but every election would be determined through some sort of like, kind of, you know exactly what it is, left winger. And you know exactly what it is, right winger. We'd never see a fascist. We'd never see a fucking communist. Obviously, the people who were winning last week are running on very socialist. Mom. Donnie. Like platforms. And, you know, it represents a real extreme swing of that pendulum. But just as a word of advice to people out there looking to run for office regardless of what party who want to have a chance to win. It might not even be as politically talented and in speaking as Mom Donnie. I may think the guy's politics and solutions suck. He is a master speaking. And even when he is totally bullshitting, he fully makes you believe that he believes it. That is, you know, that is a remarkable gift, and that is what you got to work with. But, Mom, Donnie did two things to win. And that playbook now led to all these other people that he endorsed winning. And those two things are, he focused on New York and he focused on the economy. You can argue with his fucking political solutions. Again, I disagree with them. But, like, the word Israel shouldn't even be coming out of the mouth of anyone running for office in fucking New York. And if it does, just a word of advice, maybe don't say something positive about their government right now.

[James Comer]

How about that?

[Julian Dorey]

Don't, don't line up to try to go visit there. Because what resonates with people right now is a lot of people in this country, especially people below the age of 55, aren't a huge fan of the actions of that government going on.

[Joey Deef]

Especially in New York.

[Julian Dorey]

Especially in New York. And we have laid that out here. And Mom Donnie answered some questions unbelievably well. Where they tried to trap him last week over aipac, tried to trap him over his criticism of Israel, and like, he was able to divorce his Jewish constituents from the actions of a forest of a foreign government. Beautifully politically speaking. And that is something that people who have been running against his people seem to have an inability to do. The second thing is the economy. Stupid. Mom, Donnie went to all these people that voted for Trump in 2024, and instead of being like, how the fuck could you do that? He said, hey, I saw you flip for Donald Trump in the last election. Obviously have differences of opinion than Donald Trump on how to solve things. But, like, why'd you do that? And they said, well, I was poor and I had more money in my pocket when he was president the first time, so that's why I did it.

[James Comer]

Oh, okay.

[Julian Dorey]

What ideas did you like about what he said? Well, he was gonna get money in my pocket. This way, this way, that way.

[James Comer]

Okay.

[Julian Dorey]

Again, not judging them. Even if he's being a sleazebag politician, just lying to their face, at least he put on the lie. And he said, okay, well, if I could do X, Y and Z for your wallet, is that something you might be interested in? And people said, yeah, yeah, maybe they're not educated on what the solutions are and how maybe some of them won't actually work because they're extremely socialist and things like it doesn't matter. He took the time to say, how can I help you with that? Met people where they were. So if I were a political strategist, and I am not, to be clear, very common sense, though, speaking to anyone on the left and right either way that doesn't like what happened here, I'd say get the word Israel out of your mouth unless you're criticizing their government. And then I'd say focus on how you're gonna help people economically in the place where you actually running for office. It's not hard. It's kind of all I got to say about that. I feel like we got it today, but stay tuned for the Leon Black on Tape testimony that's apparently coming on July 16th. I won't hold my breath that we're gonna see a lot of transparency from one Leon Black there, but it'll be interesting to finally watch him squirm for ourselves.

[Joey Deef]

Yeah, I want to see him squirm.

[Julian Dorey]

I want to see him squirm. Anyway, that said, thank you to everyone who has subscribed and will subscribe right now. You guys are making this thing possible. As always, we are doing two guest episodes every single week during the week on Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday. We had two more this week. We got two more next week, as always. And I will see you next week for this episode as well. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace.

[Joey Deef]

Peace.

[Julian Dorey]

What's up guys? Thanks so much for watching the video. If you have not subscribed, please hit that subscribe button button before you leave as well as leaving a like on the video. It's a huge, huge help. You can join my Patreon via the link in the description and you can also join my Clipping community via the Discord link down below. See you for the next episode.