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#454 - Flock Cam EXPLOSION, Tate Arrest REACTION & (Another) Epstein DEATH | Julian Dorey
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Julian Dory
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Joey Dave
Well, a community cycling group.
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Julian Dory
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Joey Dave
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Julian Dory
a browse to a bike ride this summer. Find more on Facebook. What's up, everybody? And welcome back to another episode of the Julian Dory podcast. I am Julian Dory and I'm Joey Dave.
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Joey Dave
How you doing?
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Julian Dory
How you done, Joey Dee? We just did, like four podcasts this week. One earlier today. We got like four next week to start off the week. I love when we're on a roll like this. Grinding. We're grinding, baby. Yeah. We've been doing some more volume as well, in case you guys haven't seen that. I'm gonna hopefully keep increasing that. Amanda's been here a couple weeks now helping us out, coordinate everything, and she's doing a great job. So it's nice to see this thing scaling up and we'll keep going. But we got another Epstein death. You love to see it. I'm sure there's absolutely nothing suspicious there whatsoever. But, you know, we'll just. We'll rule out anything on pure spec basis. As always. Flock City is in full effect as well. Our friend Tommy gave. That's the thing. I'll get to that later. But Tommy G. Is always on it and he's always early. And great work on that latest documentary he put out. And I don't know if you checked Thief, but the Iran war, unbeknownst to you and I, and I guess all of us out there, is actually very popular. Yeah. And it's so popular that Ben Shapiro is headed to the front lines.
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Deep
Well, he does have a very successful show that garnered lots of viewership.
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Julian Dory
That makes sense. I know there's. There's at least seven and a half people out there that watch it. So anyway, we'll talk about that. And then we do have to talk about the Tate's arrest that went on. Obviously, I. I've never been much of a fan of Andrew Tate, to say the least. I thought in the past, like, some of the cases that were brought against him did appear to be totally contrived in his defense. That said, obviously, there is now a new case. Obviously the allegations are very serious. We're going to go through what we know, and I. And what we Saw I know Jack Neal, who I know a little bit nice kid, had recorded an interview with Andrew in May, I think to come out if something happened to him.
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Joey Dave
Dead man.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
Which is kind of interesting. I did try to call Jack before this and wasn't able to get ahold of him, but I'll try to find out what's going on there. Either way, we'll talk about what we know about that so far and kind of let that play out. There's obviously a whole extradition thing that's happening there and, and some people in the politics caught in the middle of, who have been like, friends with them that are now like, ah, fam, sorry, cut you off the eye now.
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Deep
Yeah, you, I, you think Jack is like, kind of hyped that he had to pull the switch. Like, if you're him and you do this interview and you know it's going to get clicks and you're like, hey, listen, it's there. We're paying our bills, like, we're doing all right. And then all of a sudden on like a Tuesday, you get texts like, hey, pull the switch. And you're just like, man, I guess I gotta post that thing.
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Julian Dory
Yeah, I don't know. I, I, I gotta talk to him. Jack, Jack's a nice kid. He's, he's young. He's like 24, 25, I think. Obviously has been doing a nice job growing his podcast and before that was, was known as like an online storyteller for a few years and was for a very long time massively viral doing that. So, you know, I'd love to get some, I don't know, what are the girls call it? Some, some tea, some tea on that, just to see how that culminated. That'll probably be off record. And I mean, he brought a whiteboard for it. He brought a whiteboard. You know, that's, he did bring a whiteboard, so I don't know, we'll get to that. But deep, these people, they drop like flies. They don't see the inside of a jail cell for the most part, minus Epstein and Jean Luc Brunel before they met their demise. And obviously Ghislaine, who was convicted of trafficking children to nobody, but, you know, for the most part, all these other people, they don't even see a courtroom now. And our friend here, the modeling scout, Daniel Siad, did not appear to see the inside of a courtroom, did not appear to see the medal of handcuffs go on his wrist, despite 2,000 back and forth in the Epstein file. Emails where he's Also talking about trying to find Epstein young assistants. No, she's not young enough. Okay, I'll find you another one. But he doesn't know anything. He doesn't know anything. So let's start with the basic, you know, cnn, mainstream media, fucking, you know, probably just nothing to see here. Propaganda job. Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge help.
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Joey Dave
Thank you.
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Julian Dory
Article that came out so that we can at least get some of the details or alleged details of what happened here. But this is from July 22nd. Model recruiter who introduced young women to Jeffrey Epstein found dead in France. A French professional model recruiter who for over a decade arranged for the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein to meet multiple models, was found dead at his home near Paris on Monday. Daniel side's body was found in his house in Columns, a suburb of the French capital. Marie Celene Lawrence, deputy public prosecutor of the non tier Judicial Court, told CNN in a Wednesday statement, an autopsy will be performed on the body to determine the cause of death. Would love to know who was doing that.
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Deep
It'll be legitimate.
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Julian Dory
It'll be very legitimate. They always are. There's never been an autopsy done. That's not legit.
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Deep
Right.
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Julian Dory
You know, I, I for one think JFK's autopsy was done by the book.
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Deep
Clean cut.
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Julian Dory
Clean cut. All the right people in there examined everything, caused a death. Correct. Magic bullet. Totally real.
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Joey Dave
Yep.
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Julian Dory
Anyway, CNN's Katie Pogalasse recently interviewed Syed. Oh, that's what he did. That's a. No, no. He talked. Can't talk. He talked. Dead men can't talk, Daniel.
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Tommy G
That's.
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Joey Dave
That's the thing.
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Julian Dory
That's. That's the argument there. But she recently interviewed Siad, who said he had no reason to believe two women he had recommended to Epstein and who had told CNN that Epstein had abused them, had been harmed by him. Yeah, yeah. Imagine being.
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Deep
We keep using that CIA crack thing too much, I'm noticing.
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Julian Dory
Yeah, but this is even like a step above that. Imagine like all these files coming out. You're Daniel Sayad. You're sitting at home going, oh, I'm cooked. I'm talking with this 2,000 tons, bro. I ain't got. You know, I'm sure this is how French accent sounds. I. This is a problem. And then CNN comes to you and you're like, you know what? Yes, I'll do an interview, which, you know, credit. He said yes to it, I'll give him that. But then they say, hey, these two women that, you know, you're on email here recommending to Jeffrey Epstein, they say that he abused them. And you're like, I had no knowledge. There's in fact, I don't believe that happened. Jeffrey. The Jeffrey I knew would never have done that. Like he's saying that as far as I can tell here In a post January 30, 2026 world, that does take balls, I'll give them that. But that's about all I'm giving them because it's, it's just insane that people will be saying that. But speaking at all is obviously going to be a problem that. But this is, this is the best quote thief has this highlighted incorrectly. So from Daniel side, I trusted him referring to Epstein and believed this guy was a professional person. He told CNN in an interview published in June. I never heard anything from anyone I introduced to him who came back to me that they had a bad situation. I believe this guy is a professional person. He emphasized that twice. Very professional. Jeffrey Epstein, he was.
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Deep
He committed crimes in a. Very professional.
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Julian Dory
Very professional.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
Top tier.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
You know, second level. The super government tier also.
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Deep
You know, I don't know, I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say maybe these two people that claimed abuse, they never went up to him once after he introduced and said, hey, this guy's been doing some crazy stuff to me.
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Julian Dory
Right. I don't buy it. Yeah, I don't buy it either. Side said he believed Epstein was a casting director for Victoria's Secret owned by Leslie Wexner and the modeling agency MC Squared, which was John Luke Brunel's modeling agency. CNN found no evidence to support that claim. The Paris public prosecutors said the broad Epstein related investigations they launched in February relating to allegations of human trafficking, criminal conspiracy would Continue. So far, 24 women have come forward or have been identified following a review of information and a call for victims by prosecutors. At least 16 women have been interviewed by investigators and additional interviews are due to take place. But the prosecutor's office said they still had not obtained enough evidence to arrest Saya. Daniel Side was the subject of special investigative techniques, including telephone intercepts, although to date these have not produced evidence justifying his immediate arrest. The office said, I'm going to come back to this section in a second. Deep. That's interesting because telephone. What does that say? Telephone intercepts? Yeah, that could be. Again, I'm pure spec here because I don't have the details beyond what we're reading all together. Right Here. But that could be. They are currently monitoring his phone. Now, when Jeffrey Epstein is dead and he's not engaged in this, he's probably, I would guess, until his untimely death here, watching his behavior. Or they'd be going through old telephone records which would not include the actual verbal calls.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
Numbers that would be totally deniable.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
In a court of law. As far as like, what the subject matter of those conversations were.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
But there was a release in the Epstein files released by the Department of Justice. They show that Epstein paid tens of thousands of dollars to Sayed. And one message, side wrote, quote, cute French girl and Marek Marrakesh. She said that she will be happy to meet you, unquote. Side separately said that Epstein had asked for help finding an assistant. In a 2018 email, Syed wrote that he was looking for, quote, a good looking young assistant, unquote, Epstein. In another message, Sayad sent a photo to Epstein of a woman describing her as, quote, very polite, unquote, and someone who has potential as a model or assistant. And Epstein replied, too old. Said repeatedly sent Epstein photos of young women he encountered during his travels, some of them in provocative poses. According to the DOJ files, Sayad's name appears more than 2,000 times in the files. Svetlana Postahiva, a Russian born model, previously told CNN that side introduced her to Epstein. That he, the disgraced financier, abused her. I mean, dude, he's doing this all in the years after his conviction. There's. The guy's a billionaire. He's not a. He's not a model. Talent scout like this is extremely, extremely obvious. But now Syed ends up dead. And lucky for for us, Joseph D. Philippus, they have released the results of the autopsy. So we know that the case is closed and it's perfectly normal. But let's. Let's scroll down right here. Introducing Meta Glasses.
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Deep
You have questions.
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Julian Dory
They've got answers. Hey, Meta, what's the capital of Peru?
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Amanda Ungaro
Lima.
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Julian Dory
How do you say where's the restroom in Spanish? Donde estalbano? Hey, Meta. Is a hot dog a sandwich? Technically, no. Spiritually, yes. Hey, Meta, what should I do with my life? That's one of life's biggest questions. What do you think? Ask anything with the new Meta glasses. Priceline Negotiator it's me, the Priceline negotiator. We don't need the jingle twice. What about a third time?
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Tommy G
Stop it.
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Julian Dory
This is about vacation inflation and how Priceline negotiates amazing deals on hotels, flights and rental cars. Seems like you decided. Yeah, but I didn't mention that. You can save up to 60% off hotels in the Priceline app. Time to be the tagline. Fine. No one deals more deals than Please stop.
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Joey Dave
Touche.
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Julian Dory
Priceline.
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Amanda Ungaro
Priceline.
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Julian Dory
An autopsy found no signs of violence in the death of modeling scout Daniel Syed, who had ties to the late convicted US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, French prosecutor said on Friday siad 69 was found dead in his hone in columns northwest of Paris on July 20th. Quote, no trees or no trace of recent violence potentially linked to the death was found non tier prosecutor's office said in a statement adding that the autopsy conducted on July 23 had not established a direct cause of death. So they don't have a cause of death yet, but they know there was nothing to see here. The examination did however reveal impaired health and traces of previous heart attack. The prosecutors added toxology and pathology test to establish the cause of death were still pending. Could be he's 69, he's not fucking 39. Could be if, if he had previous heart problems, if that is to be believed, that he just fell over. But I do find it interesting that another person falls in the months after Paris, France, I should say as a whole is actually trying or putting on the optics of saying they're trying to do further investigations into Epstein. And I remind you this is a, this is the same country that used to house credit Leones, which is Alessia Laman who has worked with me for a very long time and has his own channel, great channel, which is called Alessia Alaman on YouTube has done some amazing documentary work on that based on the work of our friend Henry Abbott heavily as well, talking about all the connections that were established there between Epstein, the Leon Blacks of the world, Steve Bannon and how that goes back to the late 80s and you know, some very interesting fires at very opportune times happen to burn down that bank. So there was nothing to see there. Kind of like Daniel Syed was that old Elton John song Like a Candle in the Wind. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Deep
I think he was poisoned. I had to.
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Julian Dory
If I had to, I had to
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Deep
Spec one real quick.
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Julian Dory
Pure spec, Pure spec. I, I don't think that is in any way crazy to say and I know a lot of people out there right now are nodding their heads. No proof, don't know. But very interesting timing for this guy to be dead. Just like, you know, John Luke Brunel definitely offed himself in his prison cell on Saturday morning of President's Day weekend in America back when he was in prison in France in 2022. That definitely happened.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
It wasn't a news cycle. You know, just drown this guy in the bathtub and no one knows nothing. Yeah, he definitely. I totally don't. Look at me like you don't believe the government story. Yeah, no, I.
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Deep
It's just, you know, I watched that damn Breaking Bad, and now that I know about ricin, it's like everywhere you look. Yeah. They got him with rice in that guy.
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Julian Dory
They got him with some ricin. And think about that. Like, that's in a show and everything. But think about all the completely untraceable. I don't know.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
Nanotech stuff. DARPA. That they could be used. Of course, DARPA's fucking 30 years ahead of us, according to many people. I don't know that you know, it's some form of spec. But like, a lot of other people who would know have stuffed with specific.
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Deep
That's soft.
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Julian Dory
It's soft spec, but according to Annie Jacobson, they were fucking telepathically talking to dolphins in 1992.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
What are those?
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Tommy G
What are those?
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Deep
Dolphins.
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Julian Dory
Now, what do they know? Where are those?
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Deep
The ones near Epstein's Island?
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Julian Dory
Or are they in the Straight of Hormuz right now? See what I did?
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Deep
They're like an operative team.
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Julian Dory
It could be something. Dolphins are smart, bro. You. Yeah, those are horny bastards.
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Deep
They are.
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Julian Dory
You ever seen a dolphin's dick?
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Deep
I. I can't.
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Julian Dory
I can't remember. You can unsee it. You would remember it. Yeah, I can't remember. Yeah, Red Shea was in here talking about that last year about, like, a weapon. That's like a weapon. I don't know if, like, a guy. He claims a dolphin never touched him.
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Deep
Hey, must be nice guys.
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Julian Dory
Must be nice.
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Amanda Ungaro
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
He's like, ah, they'll.
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Joey Dave
They'll try to. Matt.
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Julian Dory
And he's got, like a Boston accent as one of Whitey Bulger's old, old guys. He's like, oh, they'll try to fuck you too. Like some, like, looking at his wife. His wife was sitting in here like, she's like, yeah, it's. It's interesting. It's like, oh, yeah. Oh, that's. That's an all time clip from the podcast for sure. But again, someone drops. Nobody's talking about it because, you know, we're busy bombing Iran again.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
Oh, yeah. I love that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Deep.
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Joey Dave
You're.
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Julian Dory
You read my mind.
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Amanda Ungaro
Our.
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Julian Dory
Our friend Amanda Ungaro.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
Who I've never spoken with, but she feels like a part of the show at this point, Mandu and Gara, the ex wife of Palazzan Poli, also, in the words of Tim Dillon, friend of the show. But you know, Amanda Ungaro dropped some more receipts that were fascinating. And I actually missed this because this was Originally posted on June 14th and she just called back attention to it. But to remind everyone out there, if you didn't listen to some of our previous episodes in the spring where we covered this, Amanda Ungaro, ex wife of Palazzan Poli, mother of his child, was dating another guy in Miami after that marriage. And that guy was a Brazilian doctor who wasn't licensed in the US Running a cosmetics clinic. He was arrested for fraud because he wasn't a registered doctor in the US So she was arrested with him because she managed the office. Charges were pending. Palo Zampoli, who's got a fucking prestige worldwide title in this White House. That makes no sense. Special envoy to some bullshit or whatever. You know, he calls up his fucking friends at high levels of. Of ice and says, hey, my ex wife just got whacked for something, so you should deport her to Brazil. Mother of his child. And she gets deported to Brazil. And then she starts talking down there. She's an ex model. She came to America at a very similar time as one Melania Trump, who sits in the White House right now. And then, you know, Melania Trump comes out. When Amanda Ungaro starts talking, she comes out and gives a little press conference talking about, Jeffrey Epstein was a very bad man and I look forward to him getting his victims a day in court. And we're all like, what the fuck? Like, that was out of nowhere. Trump claims that he has no. He had no knowledge his wife was going to come out and do that. That was interesting. I don't know how much they talk about anyway these days, pure spec. But either way, that's kind of a big one to hold back from your husband while he's sitting in the White House. But that's neither here nor there. So anyway, that I think had. There was some timing that related to Amanda Ungaro starting to talk on some things. And so apparently when Amanda Ungaro was in the custody of the Aventura Police Department or was in custody of law enforcement, the Aventura Police Department took custody of her phone. So she says, how did Palazzo Poly obtain my phone? While I was in custody of the Aventura Police Department, my phone was seized by law enforcement and should have remained secure as evidence. However, according to the location data from my find my iPhone account. The device later appeared at Paolo Zampoli's residence in New York. I would like an explanation as to how the phone that was under police custody ended up in the possession of a private individual.
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Joey Dave
Who.
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Amanda Ungaro
Who.
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Julian Dory
Who authorized its release, who had access to it, and what chain of custody records exist to account for its movement. This matter raises serious concerns regarding the handling of evidence and deserves a full investigation. She tagged @dhs.gov. this is, in fact, according to the map shown here, iPhone. Amanda, this is Palo Zan police residence. Deep. To be clear, this is public information. There are articles about where his residence is in New York, so we are not doxing anyone, but I'll just say the neighborhood. Obviously, people can see from her very public tweet where it is. It's in the Gramercy section in New York City. Very nice neighborhood, by the way. Highly recommend people visiting there.
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Deep
Oh, she's right there. Right near the stand. Comedy club.
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Julian Dory
Yes, nice. Right off Union Square. All right, Thief. I was trying to be a.
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Deep
Sorry. And public, you know, it is public. She posted it.
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Julian Dory
She used to live in this 12,000 fucking square foot. I think it is monstrosity as well. So she knows it quite well. And that's where her phone was located six days before that post on June 14, 2026. Which is months and months and months after she was deported.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
So, you know, by the way, Paolo has been hanging out with the Tate brothers a lot. We did talk about that.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
He's starting to cut ties with them. Bad press. You know, it's like the crime is not whether you did it. The crime is if you got caught or accused of doing it.
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Deep
Yeah, well, I'm not gonna say what kind of doctor he was. A Brazilian doctor. Yeah, not good optics, Paulo.
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Julian Dory
Not good optics right there. I just, you know, what the fuck?
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Joey Dave
Mm.
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Julian Dory
It's already a bad look. Like, let the legal process play out. It's a bad look when someone who curries favor to the sitting president, who also happens to be in Palestine police case and Donald Trump's case. Someone who knew Jeffrey Epstein for many, many years. When you then use that power to go to the top of ICE for a vendetta against your ex wife, who also, again, is the mother of your child. Like, that is fucked up.
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Amanda Ungaro
Sorry.
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Julian Dory
You know, and again, maybe Amanda knew damn well that her boyfriend who was running the clinic was not licensed in the United States. And in a court of law, if she had been given the opportunity to actually go to trial, would have been found guilty. I don't know, maybe not. I do find it interesting. She's charged with felony fraud in the United States, and we just deport her. Since when do we do that? We prosecute fucking people for serious felonies here.
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Joey Dave
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
Before doing that all the time. That's interesting. You know, and to her credit, that whole allegation aside, like, she not shutting up down there.
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Deep
No, clearly not.
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Julian Dory
She not shutting up.
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Deep
She's letting it rip.
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Julian Dory
She is letting it rip. You know who else is letting it rip?
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Deep
Yeah. Yeah.
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Julian Dory
Alan Ritchson.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
So Reacher. Actor Alan Rich. And you guys. You guys have seen him. Big dude. Big dude. Definitely. Definitely takes the. Takes the reacher roll to the full effect as far as, like, trying to look the part. But, you know, there's something about this guy on some regular Hollywood kind of podcast losing his. Like this. That was kind of music to my ears. But this was from. What is this called? The Happy Sad Confused. Yeah, Whoever named that, fire them. But the Happy Sad Confused podcast. Who hosts that Happy Sad Confused podcast? I've never heard of this. I'm sorry. Josh Horowitz. Josh Horowitz. All right, Shout out Josh Horowitz.
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Tommy G
Let's get you.
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Julian Dory
Just call it the Josh Horowitz Show. Josh, like, say something simple like, I don't know what you're doing. Happy sacred views. But this is Alan Ritchson talking about the lack of justice in the Epstein case. People, I think, are a little bit afraid of me because they're like, he's a loose cannon, and I'm not. I'm just saying the. That everybody should say if they give a. About humanity, everybody else should feel like. I feel the world is on fire.
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Amanda Ungaro
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
Like, oh. Mad about the way things are and the abuses that are happening.
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Tommy G
Every.
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Julian Dory
The FC files.
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Amanda Ungaro
The Epstein files.
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Julian Dory
God damn it. Where are they? It's a fucking law. Where are they? Damn it, you fucking pedophiles. I shouldn't say fuck because I'm a Christian, and people are gonna be like, how can he say fuck and he's a Christian? Because that is something that should make you want to say fuck, you know?
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Deep
Sorry.
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Julian Dory
God, I'm sweating now.
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Tommy G
I just.
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Julian Dory
This is my fucking politics, dude. I would fucking railroad these. I would get those Epstein files out in two seconds. Yeah, dude, I have two seconds. Move out of the way. Like, get out of there. I don't care what room they're in.
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Amanda Ungaro
Move.
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Julian Dory
Like, give me the manila envelope. I will get you the Epstein files.
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Tommy G
Sorry.
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Amanda Ungaro
You got my vote.
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Julian Dory
Whatever you want to run for, you got it. I don't you want to see what's in there so that we can hold people accountable?
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Amanda Ungaro
These rapists, we're just cool with it.
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Julian Dory
That has the keys to the nuclear. He's like, like, all up into 13 year olds. Like, dude, what?
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Tommy G
Go to jail. Go to jail.
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Julian Dory
All right, what are we talking about?
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Deep
That was very Kurt Metzger of him.
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Julian Dory
That was pretty Kurt Metzger right there.
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Amanda Ungaro
It's just so fucked up.
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Julian Dory
It's so fucked up. Who the fuck am I talking to? Yeah, I don't even know. I don't know. It's nice to see some other people crash out as well. I feel him.
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Deep
That's what I was thinking. As soon as he started getting a little loud, I'm like, dude, that's my dog.
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Julian Dory
That's my dog.
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Deep
It's nice to see people in Hollywood saying something. Just one, even if it's one. I don't watch the reacher, so I don't hold stock, but I'm like, jesus, just one. Thank God.
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Julian Dory
He'll never get a job again, though. But either way, worth it. Worth it. He's made his money.
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Deep
So you're spreading those conspiracy theories on the Horowitz show.
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Julian Dory
Happy, sad, confused. Check out the full episode. I guess. But yeah, I mean, he speaks for everyone there. That's, that's, that's. That's how we all feel. And it's like, how many clips do you see every week in the feed of, like, someone, and it's got 3, 4, 5 million likes on it? Like, are we gonna talk about how some of the government is run around the world by satanic pedophiles and no one's paying for it? And we're not talking about it anymore because it became old news. Like, is this what the. And, you know, people out there want justice.
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Joey Dave
And
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Julian Dory
with each passing day, it becomes unfortunately less and less likely that that'll happen. But we will. We will stay on them here. And all the while, you know, part of the. The distraction of the many litany of distractions we've seen, including a fucking full blown war. More on that later. You know, a part of the distraction is for a distraction. For the distraction. I. I don't even know where I'm at with distractions now, but Tommy G, as I mentioned at the outset, came in here in June and before we. Even before we got on camera, was talking about this flock documentary that he had just filmed. Now, this was at the time where not a lot of people were talking about the flock cams yet. We're gonna obviously be talking about that right now. It's what we're transitioning to. But the thing I've known about Tommy G in the years I've become good friends with him is that first of all, he's a brilliant journalist and is always at the cutting edge of seeing where the puck's moving and finding things that are going to blow up. But on that note, he has a way of zoning in on something that he knows just needs a little push and it's going to go. And so whenever I ask him what he's working on, he's always working on like 15 different documentaries at a time. But whatever, in my experience, whatever he leads with, whatever first one out of his mouth he starts talking about and then keeps talking about it without me asking him questions even is the one that's gonna end up creating like the spark that sets off all the dominoes going down. And that's was. That was the Flock thing in June, because I'm. I'm telling you, within two weeks of him being here, suddenly that was a huge story. He had the documentary ready, put it out. The clips of that are viral all over the Internet. People are obviously talking about that. Things like D. Flock, we'll talk about that in a minute, have been around for a while, but now they're exploding and people are seeing the heat maps of how much these cameras have spread out all over the place. And I say this because. And refer to it as another distraction of the distraction because it's just another piece of like the surveillance state that the people in the elite classes, which includes obviously the people in the Epstein class and all this fucking hidden world to us that, you know, we previously were told didn't exist. You know, they're. They continue to do all the dystopian things that the George Orwell's of the world quite literally warned about and said would happen. And they do it at multiple levels, whether that be, you know, using intelligence agencies and assets to commit massive trafficking and arms dealing crimes around the world and get blackmail on important people to basically make everyone shut up and control politicians as we've seen with something like the Epstein story, or if that includes billionaires planning out surveillance state technology so they can watch all of us while they decrease the birth rate because they make costs get out of control and prevent people from also each other over time, because all problems in society that I don't need to get into right now, you know, and take away people's freedoms ahead of a population collapse events or, I don't know, something like that. Yeah, like, we're seeing this. And the flock cams are like, straight out of a, you know, b list kind of movie. With the casting. We'll get to the CEO and some of the videos there. You can't even make this up. Like, he is a stereotype and a very, very weak, weak man. This is not someone who, in hand to hand combat, would. Would stand a chance probably with a woman. You know, like, I'm. I'm taking the chick if she's gotta fight him. But Tommy zoned in on this because he saw it as yet another very clear problem with our privacy being. And constitutional rights being completely trampled under the guise of safety. To go back to. For what, the millionth time, Joe, The Ben Franklin quote. Those who would give up a little bit of liberty at. For a little bit of safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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Deep
Yep.
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Joey Dave
Bar.
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Julian Dory
He had a lot of bars. Yeah, he had a lot of bars.
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Deep
He did.
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Julian Dory
But I want to start with the heat map deep so people can see this. This is a time lapse of flock cameras from 2024 to 2026. And before you pull that up deep, I'm just gonna explain a couple things here.
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Deep
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
Just so that we have the ground rules of. Of ground rules. I don't like how that set the ground rules, but the. The specs of what the flock cameras are, their core uses and capabilities include license plate reading, which captures and logs alphanumeric license plate numbers on public roads. Vehicle fingerprinting, which sounds straight out of 1984, identifies non plate characteristics like vehicle make, model, color, roof racks, toolboxes, dense stickers, and temporary tags, and then stores that database. Hot list alerts, which cross references, scan plates in real time against state and national crime databases such as amber alerts or warrants for stolen cars to instantly, instantly notify police. And just something I want to say out front here, because we're going to show examples of this in a minute. The old quote that, like. And I think it was even Peter Schiff was saying it the other day in the studio, like, it's worse to have one innocent man in prison than a hundred guilty men free. I agree with that. And that could be a painful thing. We would all selfishly love to see every single murderer, obviously every single pedophile and things like that locked up. What I've always said is that the unfortunate thing about the legal system is that sometimes it works too well into the. Into the rights of the individual. And I say that, like, sarcastically in the sense that it is on the burden of the government to prove that someone did something wrong. And in proving that they did something wrong, they cannot violate their rights or overreach to try to prove their case. Hey, I just Venmo'd you for rent.
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Tommy G
Say more.
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Joey Dave
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Amanda Ungaro
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Joey Dave
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Julian Dory
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Joey Dave
Now that we're dating, it's important your
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Julian Dory
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Deep
I still do that.
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Julian Dory
Dude, you still do that.
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Deep
You ain't allowed, man.
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Julian Dory
Yeah, that's right.
- [36:17]
Deep
You get a. You get a motel with that GI Bill.
- [36:20]
Julian Dory
That's right. That's right. You can't. You can't be in here. I'm sorry, you visit. But like, unarmed can't be here. But, you know, like, they've interpreted this that way again and again and again because that's. The nation was found on freedom. And, you know, the, the, the status will say, well, if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't worry about privacy, bro. That's not what it's about at all. It's about context. Anyone can decide to take advantage of that if they're in a power situation. And you over with context, be like, oh, why do you have this there and that there? That must mean you're doing this. And then if. If they get. If they're able to take advantage of that in a court of law, they could accuse you of it. If they can violate your privacy, they can plant stuff. I mean, that's. That's the oldest trick in the book. They. They can you over by blackmailing you or doing whatever they do with surreptitious purposes, by literally creating things that weren't there because they were allowed to get into your space. Talking about governments and people associated. So, like movement tracking so that they know where you are. This is China shit, bro.
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Deep
This is.
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Julian Dory
This is what they do there. Like, people that warned about this 10 years ago were called conspiracy theorists. Here you go. Another thing is emerging hardware integration expand, which expands tech lines, including audio gunshot detection sensors, streaming video drones, and movement tracking configurations. And this is just a starter list right there so that you guys have an idea. But Deep has this map up. This is from January 5, 2024 through July 2026. I want you to watch how many flock cams showed up across America. All right, we got a few. See some bubbles? We're in July 24th. Some more bubbles. It's getting a little hot. Oh, Trump got into office in January and shit went nuts. Look at that. Look at that, bro. Remember day one in office? Like the. Like at the day after fucking the inauguration. He was up on stage with Larry Ellison and Sam Altman and all these technocrats about building the AI State and stuff. This isn't even. We're even a step below AI Here. Not to say these things aren't gonna be integrating that, but they're putting cameras all over the country. Yeah, that's the last administration was censoring people all over the Internet. This administration is allowing people to be tracked everywhere.
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Deep
Yeah, that's not okay.
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Julian Dory
You know, we had Zach F. Here the other day. That podcast will be out, I believe, on Friday. If you haven't seen Zach, he. I've cited him before on the podcast. He does some awesome content on Instagram and Tick Tock and it's now starting to build YouTube. And Zach is a very successful real estate agent by trade who was obsessed with economics. He was a guy who served in. In the military after high school and then became a real estate agent. And he started to realize as the years went on that he. He was like. How do you describe it? In the kitchen the other day, he said, it's like. It's like a scene in a Tom Cruise movie and he pointed at you and me. He's like, you guys are like Tom Cruise. You get on the other side of the wall and he's like, I was like the last one coming underneath, sliding underneath the trap door where the explosion is going to be. And then he pointed at Amanda and he goes, she's, she's behind the trap door. She, she got blown up.
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Deep
He had a six foot ladder to climb a 10 foot wall. And now the wall's 30ft. But they haven't increased the size of the ladder.
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Julian Dory
That was another one.
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Deep
So how does Gen Z climb the wall?
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Julian Dory
Yes, he's got some amazing visuals. His notebook was also Heath Ledger, Joker Diary. Insanely crazy. It was very, very cool, but great guy. Really funny. You're gonna enjoy that podcast. I, I think there's definitely gonna be some future podcasts with Zach as well. And you know, he got disillusioned over the years because he was able to get that last trickle of success and be able to buy a home for himself and, you know, with someone who earned that. But he started to see as the years went on, it was getting harder and harder even just well beyond homes. But if we're just looking at housing, younger people to be able to get into the housing market altogether, the average age of a first time homeowner continues to go up. It's about to be at 40.
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Deep
You know, I think it already is,
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Julian Dory
or it might have just gotten to 40. So yeah, he talked about how in. He wasn't even talking about flock cams either. He was talking about other regular traffic cams that have been put in on like a popular road by him in Delaware. And the speed limit on that road is, is 55 miles an hour. And he's like the thing that, that makes him really, really sour on our future as a country and our ability to fight back against stuff is that when he goes on this road now, there's no one going above 57. This was a road. He's like, people always went, you know, 66, 68, whatever, pushed it. And now everyone is so scared of the cameras that everyone of all ages and demographics are following the speed limit. And what I said to him, I'm not, I'm not saying like I'm right about this, but it's an interesting, I don't know, caveat to this is, yeah, people are following it now while they have something to lose. If you put people in a situation where they don't have anything to lose, they couldn't even pay a traffic ticket anyway. So who the hell cares? They have no credit. I mean again, we're living in a country right now where almost half of Americans don't have 500 in emergency funding. This, this is not a impossible future right here. If we get to a point where society is so checked out from things because they don't even have the ability to be checked in, yeah, I, I think we could be in a place not to encourage people being fucking speed demons everywhere. But like, yeah, they might be like it. I don't care if the camera takes a picture of me. What are you gonna do? I don't, I don't even live in a home. Where are you gonna mail the ticket? You know, so like just because people do comply with stuff, we saw that throughout the pandemic as well. And how much society just ad right away. And just because as cameras get put in in more and more places, whether the flock cams or something else, people are complying right now. It's because there's. Even if is bad, especially for the younger generations, there's still just enough to lose that people care to follow the rules. Society exists on order because we agree on certain things that are within all of our interest to agree on. If suddenly people don't have suddenly if over time it finally crosses a point where it falls off a cliff and people don't have enough to lose, they're not going to agree on because who cares? And that that's not an unrealistic future with some of the trends that we're heading down. So going back to the flatcams, you saw the map, you saw how crazy this guy. It is correlated to blowing up when Trump comes into office, at least on paper, right there. Could correlation not imply causation in some ways? Maybe it's possible. But that timing looks awfully interesting. And when you look at the people who were up on the dais at his fucking inauguration, it looks even more interesting. This is also coming at a time again, separate thing here. Similar theme to where you are seeing all these data centers and shit pop up all over the place where the tenants, the three to five tenants that are going to be in these places are the companies like OpenAI, like Google, like Microsoft, companies that certainly meta that certainly over the past decade, decade and a half, have not instilled confidence in us wanting to entrust them with being able to have the most data gathering activity that they've ever had at scale with, you know, 62 square mile data centers. And yeah, you see Trump said this week, he's like, he, you can't fight data centers. You can't. You can't fight it. You just got to let it happen. You're going to love it. It's like the jokes write themselves, dude. The jokes write themselves. I just. I really do wonder from like a rebel standpoint, forget policies or politics or what he believed or didn't believe. I do wonder, you know, maybe it was all the plan the whole time, but like, if you showed Donald Trump in 2015 a video of him talking in 2026, I. And you know, you were off camera, you're just watching him watch it, and you're like, sir, this is what you're gonna be saying in the future. I do wonder what he would say. Be like, nah, that's not me.
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Tommy G
I was.
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Deep
I was a fool then. I was a big fool.
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Julian Dory
It's like, it's, it's, it's. It's insane. But with going back to the Flock cameras, when you see things put up in. In that volume that fast. Yeah, it should have your attention. Yeah. People are. Who care about their individual rights are going to fight back against that. And apparently the only person who couldn't for the life of him see this coming, and it certainly doesn't understand the merits of it is the CEO of the company. Do you pull up the clip where he called deflockers terrorists in the end of 2025. So, you know, he's. What the fuck is this guy's name? I don't even know his name. It's fine. I mean, it doesn't matter. He's a fucking asshole. But let's at least give his name. Let's get his name.
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Deep
Let's get his name. CEO Flock. Garrett Langley.
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Julian Dory
Garrett Langley, Sure. He's a great guy. Anyway, so this is back in the fall. Let's just let Garrett say it. How about that?
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Tommy G
You've got organizations like the ACLU and the EFF who take an above abort approach to fight for their point of view. And thankfully, we live in a beautifully democratic, capitalistic country where we can fight.
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Julian Dory
Yeah, we're surveilling everyone.
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Tommy G
And I have a lot of respect for the. Those groups because they have reasonable debates and we follow the law, but. And then unfortunately, there's terroristic organizations like D. Flock, whose primary motivation is chaos. They are closer to antifa than they are anything else. And that I think is unfortunate. Because it's unfortunate or I don't want chaos. I don't want chaos and order like a society that has a bedrock of safety. So for those groups, I think it's just disappointing that they haven't chosen a more constructive mannerism. Try to get what they want, which they have a right to have. But that's why we have a democratically elected process. Right.
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Amanda Ungaro
Like I.
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Tommy G
We're not forcing flock on anyone. Elected officials know that as a. As a community, you want to be safe.
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Julian Dory
We want to be safe. Trade a little safety. Trade a little liberty for a little safety. That is such fucking corporate.
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Deep
Yeah, I was going to close.
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Julian Dory
I don't know where he went to college, but like the worst stereotype of like Ivy League. I think I'm way smarter than I am Nepo baby that you'll ever hear. Yeah, yeah. Where do you go to college?
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Deep
Georgia Institute of Tech.
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Julian Dory
Yeah, that's not Ivy League, but you get my point. Yeah, like just someone who is so lost in their own world that they can't even see what's right in front of them. Yeah, like you again. How many times are we going to say this about different people? Whether it be the Epstein class, whether it be the. The Trump administration, the Israeli government. These guys. Read the room. Yeah, it's not hard. Read the room. People don't like this. People who don't have economic opportunity at a rate that. At a larger rate than we've seen in America in a long time, by the way, when you're looking at percentages of society don't like this. People who just want an ability to freely go after their life and not have every single thing track. People who are living in a world where dating is now swipe left and swipe right on everyone and everything is roboticized and optimized and the human touch is taken away. They don't want this. So when you call people who are out there saying fuck these cameras, rip them down because I don't know, maybe they value their privacy. Kind of like the guys who did the Boston fucking Tea Party. He's calling him terrorists. This is a red coat. You're a red coat. Garrett, you're welcome on the show by the way. I'm happy to talk with you, dad. Seriously. Open invite. Sit right here, buddy. Yeah, he did later apologize for this though.
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Deep
Yeah. I think reading the room is a poor man's game too, is what I'm realizing.
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Julian Dory
It's a poor man's game. Yeah.
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Deep
Cuz we're.
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Julian Dory
It's only normal people who ever think
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Deep
of doing it it seems.
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Julian Dory
I think, I think you're right about that. The people who are. The people who have even in some cases been people who are self made and achieved a lot and done it through hard work and everything have gotten far and far farther and farther away from just the common man. That they don't even try to talk to them anymore, let alone listen to them.
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Deep
No, for sure, because we say optics every week, and I'm like, clearly, these people don't give. Give a. They don't give optics. Like, not even one of them.
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Julian Dory
You know, it feels more and more like a simulation the more you see stuff like this. Let's get his apology statement. He later had to walk this back, which I'm sure, you know, his PR person walked in his office and said, garrett, listen. Okay, let's scroll down right there so I can read it. This is from earlier this year. For the last two years, Will Freeman has been advocating against Flock Safety, an $8.3 billion surveillance company that tracks vehicles with a network of over 80,000 cameras. His organization, Deflock and crowdsourced a map that shows where the company's cameras are located and helps local grassroots movements organize against Flock deployments. In an interview with Forbes last year, Flock CEO Garrett Langley described to Flock as a terrorist organization. But now, as Flock faces an increasingly vitriolic public backlash. Oh, no. If it isn't the punishment of my own actions. Langley says he regrets that label. Quote, my comments were a mistake, and I apologize. There are groups today that have real valid criticisms of the business. And I think what's changed for us, us is as we've listened to them and heard them out. What we're trying to do is find this balance. We believe in a world where we can have safety and privacy.
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Deep
Sounds good.
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Julian Dory
Sound. It sounds good. That's brilliantly said, Joey Deefit. Sounds good. And like, look, I don't want, like, let's not be misheard here. Let's not be taken out of context. I don't want to see Mad Max very road out there. I don't want to see chaos. I don't want to see crime numbers through the roof. I want to live in a country that has the highest degrees of, like, good, civilized, safe communities. I'm just not willing to sacrifice constitutional rights under the guise of trying to achieve that. Yeah, because by the way, let's. Let's look at this in a fair way to Garrett. Let's say that Garrett is not a complete. He's just in. He's a useful idiot who is incentivized to use his company and is being told it's for good and is later by people way above his bay grade gonna be used for Evil. Well, you're a part of it, my guy. You're a part of it.
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Deep
Yeah, I just want to see a guy come out too that like, doesn't look like, like every other one of these dweebs and has that same speak. Like, it's never just like some average Joe schmo who's like, I had this great idea and started this company.
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Julian Dory
Yeah.
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Tommy G
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
Well, hit that third link right there. Fired employees get added to temporary hot list. Oh, yeah, this was great. I love how he said this.
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Tommy G
Seven thousand.
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Deep
Oh, sorry about that.
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Julian Dory
That was actually really the last one. Like, he was like, how. How did he put it in the last one? He's one of those guys that says everything as a question, you know, like, it's not really good. It's like, dude, come on, you're a man. Talk like a man. Here we go.
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Tommy G
General has 7,000 stores.
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Julian Dory
There it is.
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Tommy G
Employees terminated. They're added to a localized hot list.
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Julian Dory
Segue into your corporate business because again, people associate you with selling to municipalities, but obviously you sell a lot to corporates as well.
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Tommy G
Yeah, it's a big part of our business. We. We don't proxy towards necessarily like market cap or revenue. We proxy to physical locations. Like, how many locations? So someone like a. A Dollar General is a way better prospect for us. Cu. Dollar General has 7,000 stores.
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Joey Dave
Want Subway.
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Tommy G
Yeah, you want Subway is a good example.
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Julian Dory
Their main challenge, theft.
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Tommy G
Like, that's what they're worried about. I'd say employees is. I'd say three years ago when we started the business unit, it was assets. Assets is like, it's good. But worst case, you just raise prices. Think about some of these businesses. They might terminate half a million people a year. Quarter million people a year. Takes one angry employee to come back. And so in our system, you can have it automated, you know, with HRS that like when employee is terminated, they're added to a localized hot list. If that employee ever comes back on campus. It's not illegal. Yeah, but notify security is why people have security teams. Like, don't let them in the building, bro.
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Julian Dory
And again, where does that power end up extending beyond that to where you track their movements? I don't know. In other places. Don't call us crazy for asking those questions. We're not like, if he can't see that, I can't help him. He is literally doing the meme right there. Sacrifice the liberty of all of them to save the security on one of them.
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Amanda Ungaro
Them.
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Deep
I'm calling it now. We're going to See a story about this in the next year or two and it's going to have to do with like a corporate affair and something's going to go crazy. Two people banging each other and they got fired. Stalking. I'm telling you, I feel like that's
- [54:24]
Julian Dory
going to happen easy. Again, something I wouldn't advocate, like, don't do that.
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Deep
Right.
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Julian Dory
But like, where does it overstep?
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Deep
And Patriot act, dude, let's go stop the terrorists, bro.
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Julian Dory
The Patriot. And that, that was again to give Edward Snowden his flowers when he talked about that years ago. And I think he talked about in both sit downs with Joe Rogan, but the first one he did, what was that number? 1468. I want to say 1368. He talked about when you want to name a bill, when you want to pass a really evil bill, name it something that no one can disagree with. And he uses the example like no one's going to vote against something called the Save the Puppies Act. But to Save the Puppies act said, yeah, we're going to blow up seven countries inside of it. Well, it's, it's not exactly saving the puppies. They name that thing the Patriot Act. Back then at a time when the towers had just fallen and everything, it's like, who's not going to be a patriot? I just saw the Mel Gibson movie. I got, that's, that's what I got to do. And it just trampled on people's privacy and protection and it has now metastasized into like this. And again, like, let's look at the other, other side of the eight ball here.
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Joey Dave
All right.
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Julian Dory
Because I, I don't want to be an unempathetic person. I just want to show what, what I think is worse overall for society. If you're the mother of a kid who was killed by a drunk driver.
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Tommy G
Sure.
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Julian Dory
A hit and run on an open road that could have had a flock camera and didn't. I mean, I have no words for that mother. It's the worst possible thing ever. I, I feel horrible about that and I understand the bias that would exist in that situation to where, where she's like, can we get more flock cameras? Unfortunately, that mother then becomes a useful data point for people who are like, yeah, we need a lot more of those to say, look at this heartbroken mother of a child who was seamlessly taken by a drunk driver who left the scene who we couldn't catch because we didn't have the cameras to catch them. And they use that as the Trojan horse to Then go in, which is the worst thing you can do, taking advantage of situations like that. But because I'm against this in that type of extreme situation doesn't mean I don't feel horrible for that mother and wouldn't want to do everything I can to try to bring the killer to justice. Of course I would. I'm just not going to do that at the expense of, of trampling on our constitutional rights. There have been cases in the past where murderers have gone free because the government broke the law in the chain of custody, in things like not reading their Miranda rights and stuff like that, illegally interrogating them and stuff. And I hate that for the victims that the people who killed their loved ones went, unfortunately, the government has a job to do and that requires them to uphold the rights of all the citizens in this country. So like, again, we're always going to be taken out of context. People can make 30 second clips and later use them against us. Everyone on the Internet can have that happen. But when we're talking about these topics that, especially ones where I feel strongly and I think a lot of people out there listening feel strongly right now, you know, I'm gonna see the context of the people who could be used to try to get these things through and, and empathize with, with where they're at. And certainly it's no different in this situation. But I don't know, I'm not trying to be like too, too hard on that guy. I don't know him. I would talk to that CEO in here. I, I don't know how well for him that would go. But you know, you have to,
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Joey Dave
you
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Julian Dory
gotta stop thinking about your quarterly report with every thing you do and get out and talk to people. And you know what, if your business isn't there because of that pivot to another business, I'm sure you could use this technology for something else that doesn't trample on everyone's privacy. Go do that. But maybe that would be harder.
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Deep
Yeah, it's the age of optimization, dude. Optimization's ruining everything.
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Julian Dory
That's right.
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Deep
It's like when you think of a person who's like one of those optimizing people. It's like when you optimize so much, you almost become like a stale person who like can't do anything because you can't live. And like, that's what's happening to the country. We're optimizing so much that like the actual country is seemingly starting to get stale. However you want to define that.
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Julian Dory
Yes.
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Deep
Because we need to have, like, efficient technology for every single little thing so that, like, we could stop every single drunk driver. And like, sometimes I think with some of these things, it's just like, you just gotta let life happen, you know? And I know that's way easy for me to say. If, like, I knew someone killed in a drunk driving accident, I might say otherwise, but can't just optimize every single fucking thing.
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Julian Dory
Maybe it's because I always forget which one is left brain and right brain, but whatever the creative side is, that's obviously what my brain is and obviously what your brain is. Maybe it's just that talking, but I like the artistry of life, and the artistry of life kind of meshes together all the good and the bad to make a full picture and give you the meaning of what life is worth. Which includes you going through hard things and going through good things and understanding what both of those sides are. And some people have to go through more of the hard things unfairly because they're just dealt a different hand. But those end up a lot of times being the people I'm most impressed with, Especially those who are able to enjoy life to the fullest as a result of the pain that maybe they've gone through. They inspire me forever. I know, like, even on my own pain and my experiences in life, that stuff drives me and inspires me to do other things, and it doesn't take away the fact that I felt those things along the way. And the optimization culture wants to make everything zeros and ones and just try to land on all the ones. Yeah, and it's like, you know, it'd be interesting to talk to Brian Johnson and see where he's at. He's a billionaire. He made all his money, obviously, like, building businesses and stuff, and now wants to try to figure out how to live forever or whatever, but I don't. He lives between his two ears and he can know the truth. But I don't know how someone like that can be happy. I don't know how you can be happy trying to literally every second of every day, create everything in such a perfect way so that you can race against God and beat him. Not for me, it does. It doesn't mean that I don't try to sleep well. It doesn't mean that I don't work out every day and I watch what I put in my body and try to optimize things so I can feel good. I do those things.
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Deep
Sure, me too.
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Julian Dory
But we go out, we have a nice bender.
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Deep
Oh, yeah, that's what I was saying. I was out last night and it's like, yeah, like, I still want to go out and have a fucking slice of pizza or get a drink with friends. Like, hang out with friends. Like, we read Tuck Everlasting for a reason in school.
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Julian Dory
You don't want to.
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Deep
You don't want to drink the fountain of youth and live forever. You're gonna be fucking miserable.
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Julian Dory
Yeah, I don't think the living forever thing would be a blessing.
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Deep
No.
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Julian Dory
And I don't mean to get like, too Green Mile on you, but, you know, if you ever seen that movie, I. I think the message in there is really interesting because. Spoiler alert. The. The curse was Tom Hanks's character ended up having his life elongated into God knows when as a result of the things that happened in that movie. But it's like, you don't want to die tomorrow. You. You don't want to have it cut short. But, like, also, the. The beauty of life is found in the fact that, you know, it can end at any moment. It's a very strange dynamic. It's something that I'm sure we. You all out there think about in some way. I think about it all the time. It's like you control what you can control, but at some point, when you try to bring everything into your control, you actually control nothing.
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Deep
Yeah, well said.
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Julian Dory
So one other thing. You found something great on this, and I want to play this because it's a pretty good example, but the Colorado woman who was found via the Flock cameras as a theft suspect. Like, this is what I mean. We have camera. You know, before you play this, Steve Alessi was talking with a friend of his, I'll say, in another state who's a police officer who was like, really talking against him with this Flock stuff. Like, you have no idea how much this is brought down crime and shit like that. And unless he's like, I'm all about bringing down crime, but I'm worried about the privacy. Have you thought about how people could take advantage of this? And, like, talking to this guy was like talking to someone who will see no reason or logic. They just want to see an end result. And it does worry me. I'd love actually some of our law enforcement guys to pop in, in the comments. Regardless of what side of the issue you're on, I would love to hear from you guys in there to make the case in either direction and, you know, get praised or roasted, whatever people in the comments are going to do. But, you know, I. I just think it's so easy to see the bigger picture here. And I don't understand why guys like that don't. But let's play this video. We have cameras everywhere in that town. You can't get a breath of fresh air in or out without us knowing. Krisanna Elser learned the power of floss flock firsthand. You were in town from 1152 until 1209. Exactly. Like I said, nothing gets in or out of the town without us knowing. When a Colorado police officer showed up at her door holding flock snapshots of her truck. And here's when you left. At 1209, that's when you left.
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Tommy G
No.
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Julian Dory
To stop at ridge traffic trail. Wait a minute. And take a package. Well, there's no shushing. I don't need to be. I need to know where. This is the first thing he pulled out on the body cam is that Flock picture the clear photograph of your car. But here's your vehicle in the neighborhood many, many times, apparently casing houses. Because you just can't drive through for
- [64:37]
Joey Dave
work or visit other businesses.
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Julian Dory
Casing houses.
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Tommy G
It is her.
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Julian Dory
It is 100 it is locked in. There is zero doubt. I wouldn't have come here unless I was 100 sure. 100 it is certain. It is on video. You're obviously welcome to go to court. Krisanna was charged with stealing a package. It wasn't her. That's also the thing. It then becomes the burden on the person to have to prove they're innocent in court rather than. Yeah, the government. Meaning you have to take time out of your day because this isn't like a fucking quintuple felony or something. But, you know, it's a serious case.
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Deep
But the courts always move fast, don't they? It's like, I gotta deal with this shit. That's right. And even the way he talks of like, you do not come into this town or do anything without us knowing.
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Julian Dory
Yeah, go fuck yourself. But let's keep going. So this was not her on the video. But you can see someone's taking a package right here. Porch pirate was somebody else. Multiple times you tried to. To show him your video evidence. He didn't want to see it.
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Tommy G
Oh.
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Julian Dory
When I called him back, he said, that's not my job. You looked at a time of a crime. You saw my vehicle entering in the flock.
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Amanda Ungaro
No, no.
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Julian Dory
What I did was I did an investigation. You called my wife a liar. You said, this is fact. I have video evidence. I don't know what you want me to say. The charges were dropped after Kana Spent weeks trying to get the police chief to look at her evidence. Time stamped video from her truck and a neighbor's doorbell camera showing she wasn't at the scene of the crime. What does it say about where we are that you feel you have to have more cameras than the police have in order to make sure you can prove yourself innocent? It sounds like it flipped the script to you're guilty until you prove yourself. That's good right there. That's. And. And again, that's. That's crazy. But you know, Tommy G in the documentary, he did amazing job. Like I said, all he wanted to do. And he discussed this. If you watched our podcast last month, where. Where we're talking about, all he wanted to do was see how these guys felt when their technology got turned around on them. Spoiler alert. They didn't like it very much.
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Tommy G
Sir?
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Julian Dory
Sir, Are you with Flock?
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Tommy G
What?
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Julian Dory
Are you with Flock?
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Tommy G
This man, James Boyce, is a former
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Julian Dory
British army veteran and a current Flock supply chain manager. Not only did he lie about working for Flock, which I'm guessing is probably normal at this company, but he also implied to Georgia law enforcement that I could have been armed. And we'll soon see if that puts
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Tommy G
my life in danger.
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Joey Dave
You're gonna wait here until the manager.
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Tommy G
You're holding me until that guy talks,
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Julian Dory
but you're not telling me I'm gonna be detained. Yeah, you are. Am I allowed to leave? Can I go in my car and leave? Are you safe right now? Sir, we've had reports that you've been
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Tommy G
to basically every flop safety site and
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Julian Dory
facility that you know of, correct?
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Tommy G
Yeah. So your surveillance is correct?
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Julian Dory
We're doing our own surveillance.
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Tommy G
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
People don't really feel safe right now. We don't feel safe. Oh, go yourself. Oh, wait, you don't feel safe being
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Tommy G
surveilled, Is that what you're saying?
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Julian Dory
Because that's what you guys do to us without our consent.
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Tommy G
And I think it's interesting when you
- [67:49]
Julian Dory
guys have this happen, you call the police and make us get stopped. But you're under surveillance, sir. That's it. Yeah, I. I mean, that's just so perfect, that guy. And just they. They can't even see the irony. So I. I don't have anything more to say on that. We'll continue to follow the story and we are working on a podcast. I'll just say that on really going through this from the ground floor, where we will get way more details on the actual specifics of the explosion of cameras. You saw the map and everything but what went into that? Everything they're doing, all the bad cases that have been reported, at least some of the major ones, and I think that one will be very, very fun, but deep. I'm so glad that Ben Shapiro has finally agreed to go fight on the shores of Iran in this war that he's, he's so gung ho on fighting. Can we play the clip front? It's down below all the 219 stuff. Can we play the clip of his previous statement? I want to play Ben talking last year, assuring us, assuring us that, you know, the United States, we were not looking for a protracted war with Iran or anything like that. I just want to make sure we get in his words. Joey Dee, here we go.
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Joey Dave
It you should take into account the things they say will happen that do not even come close to happening. Okay, fine. So if President Trump acts and by acting again, we are not talking about a full scale, on the ground, boots on the ground, invasion of Iran, never full scale regime change, nation building. No one's talking about that. And I want to point out, again, people are lying to you about this.
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Julian Dory
They are lying, lying to you.
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Joey Dave
Many of them are lying because they believe this is what's going to happen.
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Julian Dory
Okay, now go to my tweet. It was the link before that.
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Amanda Ungaro
That
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Julian Dory
again, I look forward to Ben grabbing his helmet and heading over there, as I say in this tweet. But this is what Ben Shapiro put out a couple days ago in reference to the now ongoing, seemingly escalating conflict in Iran, where the MoU now appears to be as close to dead as it can get. But here we go.
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Joey Dave
I get why people are confused and upset. It feels like games are stalemated, broader and more difficult.
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Julian Dory
Well, that's right.
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Joey Dave
Why? Well, because what the American people want is victory.
- [70:12]
Julian Dory
They want.
- [70:13]
Joey Dave
There's this bizarre notion in foreign policy that the American people are deeply worried about the immediate cost of war to the enemy.
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Julian Dory
They're not worried. You're not worried about the American people.
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Joey Dave
We can't handle the ugliness of war for even a day. Every conflict has to be totally antiseptic.
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Julian Dory
That's right.
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Joey Dave
And here I'm not even talking about the American willingness to undergo casualties. No one in America wants American casualties. It's tragedy and a horror. However, we do understand that war does come along with casualties.
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Julian Dory
Yes, but not for man to undergo
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Joey Dave
those casualties in pursuit of an end and a victory for America. But as far as the idea that, for example, America, we can't hit Kharga island because the Iranian people would then be deprived of oil resources. The American people are, I should say, not particularly concerned about that. We are far more concerned with why we're there not winning. I think though we actually ought to do is say an eye for everything. Like you touch a ship in the Strait of Hormuz and we kill the head of the irgc, we kill Khalaba, we kill your entire leadership class again. We destroy South Pars and we destroy Hard One Drone, and that's what happens. That is the way you win in the middle, by the way. That's the way you win, General.
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Julian Dory
That's the way you win. Show me a win we've had in the last 25 years in the Middle East, Ben. I'll wait. We haven't had one.
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Amanda Ungaro
One.
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Julian Dory
That's not how you win. Blowing up everything, carpet bombing everything, is not how we win. And, and actually, let me be fair for a second. Cleaning up isis, they did a pretty nice job with that. But that never would have happened in the first place without all these endless Middle east wars. We know how Afghanistan ended after ISIS was allegedly cleaned up and everything in 2021, we, we lose these wars because we decide to use guns and bombs rather than actually trying to take the best off ramp for everyone. And unfortunately there are losers when that happens, but there are fewer losers. And I. We were saying in the podcast we recorded today earlier with sabbatical, it's like, you know, I, I don't know how many fucking times I'll have to say this. Sure you heard it in the Joe Kent sit down in 4:52. We put out on Monday. But you can't just go invading every place that you don't like that has an evil government. That's not how the world works. I wish it was. I wish it was perfect. It's not.
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Amanda Ungaro
Not.
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Julian Dory
It's not. You can't fucking do that. And I think, unfortunately, the messaging from the Trump government and the Israeli government has been so piss poor on this and the actions taken have been so evil in some cases that a lot of people are now starting to question whether or not the Iranian regime is bad. I am not one of those people. Their Iranian regime, I don't give a fuck what you say. Say it's not a good regime. They're not. They, they do awful things to their people. I've said forever. I would love to see their people get a new government. We're not gonna be the ones to do it, though. I, I hope we're not gonna try. It has not Worked. We're not good at it. It is not in our interest. It is not in the interest of all of our quote unquote allies around the world who actually, many of whom are in range of Iranian ballistic missiles who didn't want this fucking war is not in their interest either. The only place that wants this to happen is Israel. Why? Ben Shapiro claims to care about America. He doesn't give a flying about America. He never saw a war in the Middle east that he didn't love. Because a war in the Middle east destabilizes the region and allows Israel to continue their propaganda and to get stronger. I don't need to have anything against Israel as a country. I detest their government. I detest the things they are doing to people in Gaza which is a genocide. I detest the things they're doing to people in Lebanon which is a full blown ethnic cleansing with elements of genocide. And I'm sick and tired of us doing things that are in this interest. Just this week Smotrich, the finance minister who's a total scumbag genocidal maniac neck said he doesn't want any Israeli boots on the ground in Iran. He's good with how it's set up now with American boots going there. God forbid some of their guys died for the war that they want. These people tell you who they are and you have to fucking listen. And you know, Ben Shapiro wonders why no one watches him anymore and the people that do only watch him so that they can hate comment on him, which I appreciate all you people for doing that. You know, he wonders why he, he probably does. I mean he pro, he's got to know behind the scenes. But he pretends to wonder why. And it's because he, he doesn't speak for the common man. This is the same guy who told people to get lost if he can't afford to live in the town you grew up in, move somewhere else. It's the same guy who has never talked to a normal fucking American in his life unless it was a third grader that he was trying to own in some debate or if he was
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Deep
playing violin for them at some fancy
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Julian Dory
dinner when he was a kid, right? He is, he is an invention. This is, this is not a real fucking person. And I'm, I, I just, the guys like him and the guys like Mark Levin, I am just sick and tired of them. And so this week, Mayor Mom Donnie in New York, whose political stances, I mean, I, I don't. It's nice filling potholes. That was Nice. But like, I don't agree with any of this guy's politics. He's a full blown socialist. Like that doesn't work. All right? It just doesn't work. And I got no problem saying that. But he put out a rel. Pretty damn close to perfect statement, statement about Netanyahu. And the reason he did is because he had been looking into the legality of him being able to arrest Benjamin Netanyahu, who is wanted by the icc, the International Criminal Court. He, he was looking into the legality of arresting Netanyahu while he would be visiting here in New York. And he put out a statement where he explained that after looking at the legality of that, he did not have the jurisdiction to do so. But he called on the federal government of the United States, who does legally have the jurisdiction to do so, to make that arrest. Now let me look at some of the people who criticize this that aren't just like the hardcore Zionists and stuff like that. Some people say, oh well, why does the same guy who says this about Netanyahu not say this about Castro and other like totalitarian socialist leaders who have killed their people, who he actually claims to think are good, fair. I don't know how many of them are actively wanted by the icc. I'd have to look at that. I don't have that in front of me. And if the ICC has not looked at charges for some of those places, maybe they should. And that's fair. It does not change the fact that there's not a word here that he said wrong. Unless you want to get into the semantics that some of the casualties he's talking about are people like in Hamas. Many of them though are not. They're women and children, which was a part of the plan. And whether you like his politics or not, not, this was perfect. Play it.
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Tommy G
Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal, the architect of a horrific genocide against the Palestinian people. He is responsible for the killing of more than 73,000 people for the maiming of tens of thousands of children. That's true as those who survive undergo amputation without anesthesia. That's true for the targeting of neonatal hospitals and maternity care centers.
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Amanda Ungaro
Also true.
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Tommy G
Denying newborns even the chance to, to live for the countless people he starved as he blocked food and humanitarian aid from reaching them. For the gunning down of hundreds of aid workers and journalists. And just last month the UN confirmed that Palestinian children continue to be deliberately targeted and killed by Israeli armed forces. More than eight months after the so called ceasefire, the list goes on and on. All as we as Americans, pay for the bombs that do the killing.
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Amanda Ungaro
That's true.
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Tommy G
There is a reason the International Criminal Court issued a warrant for his arrest. As human beings, we have spent generations building a shared understanding that there are crimes so grave, they offend all of humanity. Anyone with their eyes, with their heart, with their conscience should recognize the devastation he has wrought and understand that he belongs before a court of law. As I've said, I agree with the ICC that Benjamin Netanyahu should be arrested and tried for his crimes as I do for anyone else charged by the icc. My administration has reviewed every avenue available under applicable law to determine whether New York City could execute the International Criminal Court's arrest warrant if Benjamin Netanyahu came here. It is clear that we do not have the independent legal authority to enforce this warrant. The federal government, however, does, and I call on them to join the ICC and execute this warrant. And I want to be equally clear. Benjamin Netanyahu is not welcome in New York City, nor is any other war criminal at large. While we cannot end the genocide on our own, we can decide whether our silence will become another weapon. And we can examine every tool we have to defend the humanity and dignity of all people. That is my commitment to you.
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Julian Dory
Yeah, it's perfect. And by the way, even though he was broad in the language and not specific with people, he made very clear that what would apply to anyone else charged by the ICC at the very least as well. And that would be fair, because also, I believe I don't have it in front of me, but the ICC has charged people related to Hamas and Hezbollah. So, like, if they came here, the ones that are still alive, he's saying he would arrest them. And I would hold him to it, by the way. Obviously, he can't, but I would hold him to calling on the federal government to arrest them, which they certainly would, by the way, if they ever came here. And they wouldn't have a bunch. You know, they do have a bunch in there.
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Deep
These are all the cases.
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Julian Dory
Okay, so these are. These are. Well, these are people in custody right now.
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Deep
So.
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Julian Dory
Warrant of arrest. Yeah, yeah. Warren of arrest. So that. Who's that guy? That's from the Central African Republic. Do. Can we find people specific to, like, Hamas and Hezbollah? I don't know.
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Joey Dave
You.
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Julian Dory
Look, I'll keep talking, but either way, he is saying that part. And again, again, I'm a guy who judges things as best I can on a case by case basis and looks at the facts of what I see in front of me, Socialist or no socialist. Fair statement right there. And the response to his statement is also not helping the issue. When you see very hardcore Zionists in the United States like Bill Ackman. Let's call him out right now, put out some tldr like he always does. First of all, in the opening paragraph of his tldr, denying that it's a genocide and decrying the fact that it was called that. Sorry, Bill, it is a genocide. What's going on there. But also then pointing to this as being anti Semitic. You, Bill Ackman, are the one hearing the term Jewish there. At no point does he say that in there. He is calling out a foreign one, government, and particularly one guy, the leader of said government for what they did. It has nothing to do with his race. You, Bill, are the one making this about race. I refuse to stoop to your level. That is below my bar, and I am sick of it. I have stated this a million times. I will state it a million more times. I'm tired. Deep. Yeah, it's been. It's been a long week. I'm tired of this stuff, you know, And I've said this to some extent. I think I've said it on some other podcasts. But again, we have a clip from when we were on John's podcast last week that's done a couple million views, I think, on Instagram, where we're going through why mom Donnie won the election in the first place. And it's become. Won the. The initial primary election, the Democratic primary for mayor, which effectively was like making him win the election at that point. What put him over the top was that TV debate that nobody was watching where they asked the question of the 13 Democratic candidates where they would visit internationally first. And everyone was just screaming to be able to answer first how much they wanted to go to Israel. And when it got to mom Donnie, he said, yeah, let's play the clip. This was actually good. This was on our friend John Rondi's podcast right here.
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Amanda Ungaro
Here.
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Julian Dory
I couldn't express this any better.
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Joey Dave
So let's go right here of a
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Julian Dory
United States city that we call New York City. Where will your first international visit be? And you watch this stage every. They couldn't say the word Israel fast enough. I mean, they were jumping to say it. It was like someone had had zapped them like a dog crossing a electric fence.
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Joey Dave
Like, say, Israel, right?
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Julian Dory
And they're like, my first visit's going to be to Israel. Thank you. Then it gets to mom Donnie, who's just Standing there calmly like this. And he's no fan of Israel, but again, that's got nothing to do with the New York race. And he said something like, as mayor of New York City, which is the office I'm running for, I look forward to serving all of my constituents right here in New York City. I think he said, he said something
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Deep
like, I want to get out there and hear the issues of New York
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Julian Dory
that are affecting New York. So he wouldn't even pick any city around the world. And then Cuomo jumps in. He won't say it. He hates Israel. He won't say. Then they all start piling up. He hates it. He can't say it. And then the panelist goes, sir, sir, do you believe in the existence of a Jewish state in the middle? This is for mayor of New York City systems. I'm sorry, government. All right, you got your crash out.
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Tommy G
I'm sorry.
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Deep
And then these numbers just went.
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Julian Dory
They went like this. As the mayor. Yeah, like, I can't put that any better. Like that was that was it right there. Like, he won the election for something that had, like, what put him over the top, I should say to win the election was something that had nothing to do with New York. And, you know, two things. Number one, the older demographics and the people who are really against people like Mom Donnie coming up. And I for one, do not think socialist principles are a good idea in any stretch. And I think that that trend would be bad for America to go to. I would like, I got my problems with traditional Democrats and traditional Republicans, but I'd much rather see traditional Democrats and traditional Republicans, the corruption, I know, go against each other than like socialists and fascists or whatever. That said, number one, you have to know where the younger demographics, as in people below age 55 are as far as being aware of some of the problems with our relationship with Israel as a quote, unquote ally. And if you cannot read the room on that, you're. You're going to be voted out of office. That's number one. So if people like Mom Donnie and the socialist seize on that opportunity, that's your fault for letting them do that. Everyone else can see where this is going. Number two, Joey D. If you put this amazing, all credit to you on this, Deep has talked about in the past that when you talk to people who turn to people like Mom Donnie and vote for them, them, whether it be 22 year olds, 25 year olds, 28 year olds and people in their 30s. How do you put it? Thief. You're like they're not checked out of the system. They never had a part in the system.
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Deep
Yeah, they have no stake. They don't have a 401k. They don't have any savings, they don't have stocks. They, they don't own any sort of assets. They're all paying crazy rent, crazy grocery prices. So are you surprised that they think the system of capitalism isn't working for them?
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Julian Dory
Perfect.
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Deep
I mean, yeah, it, it's not right or wrong, it's just logic. That's what's crazy to me.
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Julian Dory
It's logic. And so instead of yelling at people and be like, how could you idiots go to socialism Instead, Ask them why. Don't ask that. Don't try to trick them up and quiz them on, well, do you know how the socialism hasn't worked anywhere around the world? Listen, I, I know that. That's fine. That's not what I'm leading with. I'm not there.
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Amanda Ungaro
You don't.
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Julian Dory
What was the old quote my mom used to tell me? And I'm sure a lot of moms out there, like, you get bees with honey, not vinegar or something like that. You don't yell at them and stick your finger in your face and say, I know way more than you. You fucking idiots have no idea where this goes. Instead you ask them why they are where they are, and then you try to come up with solutions that might be an interest to them because it speaks their language and gets, gets them into a situation where maybe they can be a part of a system that actually works for them. And that's what he did.
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Deep
When you talk about it all the time with, when he was out, you know, campaigning in the Bronx, he wasn't saying, Orange man bad. How could you? He's like, why did you vote for him? And they're like, I had more money in my pocket.
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Julian Dory
That's right.
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Deep
All right, well, we'll do free childcare and free buses. Like, do you think that'll help? It's like, of course.
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Julian Dory
And you can't expect. It doesn't mean someone's dumb because they don't understand that a new solution they heard from someone who's making them promises historically doesn't work. That's a very bad assumption to make. People are voting on what can best take care of their family and whatever the newest, latest thing that might give them an outside chance at doing that, they're going to roll the dice on because they don't have anything to lose.
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Deep
And throw in the fact that he's a young guy, I Mean, we're all. We're pretty quick to like, never talk about that, but it's like everyone. Oh, these old people running things. Old people running things. So they see a guy who's young, who's with it, who can and speak well, and he's offering solutions. Whether he pulls them off or not, of course they're going to flock to it. Instead of that miserable Cuomo, when he would sit on the panels just looking pissed off that he had to leave his house.
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Julian Dory
He couldn't even be helped to get out of his fucking black car. He looked miserable.
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Deep
Miserable.
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Julian Dory
Yeah. And it's just like, what do you, what do you expect? That's what it is. So like, instead of just attacking. And by the way, you know, when, when, when you start to put words in his mouth. Mouth, which was like a BLM tactic, by the way, like, everyone's a racist if they, if they say something that could even be interpreted through 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon as fucking racist. That's what you're doing with him. When he is talking about announcing why he legally cannot arrest someone wanted by the ICC that he had previously said he was looking into. So he was updating the public, which is in their interest to say, I am not legally allowed to do this, this. But I'm calling on the federal government to do it. There's nothing wrong with doing that. And like I said, if the Hamas guys came here, the Hezbollah. Yeah, rest them too. Like, this isn't hard. I. I don't play whack a mole. Pick and choose. I play whack all the moles. Enough said. Now let's close on the Tates. So the Tates got arrested. Can we pull up that first?
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Deep
Yeah, the archive.
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Julian Dory
Yeah, yeah, let's do that. One, One.
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Deep
He looks really zesty when he got arrested, by the way.
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Julian Dory
No comment. Like, brother, come on now. Tight fit. I mean, Jesus, tight fit.
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Deep
Like a ballerina.
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Amanda Ungaro
Yeah.
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Julian Dory
Anyway, Social media influencer and brother appear in Miami Federal court where lawyers say they will fight extradition to the uk. Let's go down. So that is referring obviously to Andrew and his brother Tristan. Andrew Tate will face charges of rape, sex trafficking and pornography, including charges related to indecent images of a child. The 39 year old social media influencer was arrested alongside his brother Tristan on Saturday after the Crown Prosecution Service issued a string of new sex abuse charges against them. The brothers appeared in a federal courtroom in Miami on Monday, where lawyers said they would fight extradition to the U.S. tate is facing seven counts of rape, three counts of sex trafficking, three counts of assault, and 19 more charges related to indecent images of a child, extreme pornography. His younger brother will face one account of sexual assault, two counts of rape, and three counts of sex trafficking. At the hearing, the Tates wore light brown prison suits and only responded with, yes, your honor. Let's go down.
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Tommy G
Do.
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Julian Dory
According to the unsealed documents, Entertainment repeatedly placed one woman in chokeholds until she passed out, then raped her during an alleged attack at her home in Bedford. In 2015, another woman alleged that he had visited her home in Manchester and choked her to the point that she was afraid Tate was going to kill her. The complaint alleged Tristan Tate regularly choked, beat, and raped a woman with whom he was in a romantic relationship in 2012. In 2013, the woman told authorities that he regularly choked her into unconsciousness, gave her a black eye, and whipped her with a belt, causing welts and bruises. All right, we get the picture. It's nasty accusations. There's another link there of Andrew Tate, two months before his arrest, talking about what he's gonna hurt. Now, I haven't worked on my Andrew Tate accent in a while, but, you know, like, you see him in this interview with Jack. He's like. He's like. If you'd like me to explain why they come after you, it's because, well, I have to get there on this whiteboard first. First they tried to throw you in jail, and then they throw you in jail, and if that doesn't work, they kill you. And when they kill you, then you are a martyr, but you're a martyr, and you're gone. And they say, we killed the bitch.
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Deep
Yeah, that's pretty good.
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Julian Dory
You see him going and getting out in front of things, and my mind goes to one of two possibilities, and they are total opposites. Either he actually, while still a guy that, like, I think is cringe as fuck. Buck is being framed for things because people don't like what is being said. That or he is very guilty and is a master manipulator and is projecting to get out in front of things. I don't have a dog in the fight. I'd like the truth here. What say you, Joey? Defense?
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Deep
Well, I'm like, you know, used to work in the cam business. You have to get girls to do these lewd things. I would say you might be a good manipulator. I don't know. That's just me.
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Julian Dory
Pure spec.
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Deep
Don't murder me, please.
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Julian Dory
Pure spec. Fair point. Let's. Let's play this video real quick. And if people want to see, obviously, Tate laying this out in his dead man switch, Jack put out a podcast on his channel, Jack Neal. That's 3 hours and 21 minutes of Andrew Tate talking. Here we go. Deep's like, I'm gonna go home and watch it.
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Deep
Too many hours.
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Julian Dory
All right, go ahead.
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Amanda Ungaro
Let me clear up this news you're seeing on the timeline. The British state has accused the British state. They said, 15 years ago, I did something I wasn't supposed to do and I'm a criminal. But they won't tell me who against. They won't tell me where it happened.
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Julian Dory
One take me when it happened.
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Amanda Ungaro
They just said, 15 years ago, you did a crime. And I said, okay, against who? We're not telling you in case you tweet it.
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Julian Dory
Tweet it? Why would I tweet it?
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Amanda Ungaro
What are you talking about? Tell me who I committed this crime against so I can defend myself. No, we're not gonna let you defend yourself. You're accused of a crime. You're charged with a crime. We won't tell you who against. And I said, well, then how do I put a defense together? And they said, well, if you come to England, we'll tell you. I said, sure, I'll come to England. No problem. All I want to know is, can you guarantee I will not be remanded in custody? They said, no, we're not gonna guarantee you that. If you come to England, there's a strong chance you're gonna go to Belmarsh, remanded in custody for years, pre trial. And I'm like, so you are accusing me of a crime. You've issued a warrant. You won't tell me who the crime was committed against, if they even exist, because they don't. These are made up victims, completely made up. They have people hiding behind anonymity, attacking me, demanding millions of euros, millions of dollars for things that happen in. In 2009. Nobody's telling me what these things are. Nobody's telling me who these people are. Nobody's telling me when they happen, where they happen, nothing. And they're saying, if I go to jail, they'll tell me, but I have to fly to England and put myself in jail. And I know you're wondering how come when Britain, as it collapses, it doesn't give a fuck about grooming gangs, doesn't give a fuck about the stabbings, doesn't care about the drugs on the street, doesn't care about any of the real crime, how come they keep talking about any Andrew Tate? That's Because I highlight the problems with the country. They don't want to fix the problems. They want to get rid of me for talking about the problems. So why do I get to travel the world so freely? Why have I been to 25 countries this year? Because when I land in Hong Kong and the British government call the authorities and say, we need Andrew Tate. We have a warrant. The authorities say, well, what's the warrant for? And who's it against? And the British state says, oh, we don't want to tell you who the victims are. The victims don't exist. Exist. So no country will extradite me. So I'm traveling the world completely free. No country respects England anymore. Nobody's sending me to them. I'm living as a free man. They keep putting on the BBC that they want to get hold of me. And I'm saying, tell me who my accuser is and I'll come talk to you. And they're like, no, because they've completely made it up. They've made it up to slander me in the media over and over and over again. Their intention is to just lie about me, lie about charges, lie about victims, lie, lie, lie. So that I don't support RER or I don't support Farage.
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Julian Dory
First of all, I need a side profile video of someone, like, on the beach being like, yo, I think Andrew
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Deep
tastes like talk Influencers in the wild. Dude, that must get so exhausting, like being in that entourage and just having to sit in a living room while he has a hookah, just yelling like that.
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Julian Dory
I. Yeah, it's a lot. What I'll say is whether it's all true or all lies, he definitely knew he was cooking about a minute in, and I don't think he stuttered once there. The guy. The guy is. Whether you hate him or love him, that is what has gotten him to the point to where he can even argue against awful charges like this. And some people will be like, yeah, no, I think. I think he is framed like he is. He's got a lot of charisma. The problem is he says a lot of shit and he's done a lot of shit over the years. That, again, optics don't look good. So that then when you're accused of stuff like this, people are like. Like, deep. Says like, well, he's doing a webcam business for a long. Bragging about fucking women all the time. Well, he was talking about women shouldn't drive and shit like that. You know, you. You can put stuff like this together and Create a story such that if in fact these charges aren't true, as he alleges they're not, that someone can make a case and say, this guy. And people go, oh yeah, I would believe that guy did that. And it gets you that point. And again, these guys were running, or we called him out on it a month ago. They were running around fucking hanging out with Paolo Zampoli in recent months, like, what the fuck are you doing? And Pat, by the way, pal, Zan Poly, who I think is already distancing himself from them. Trump Jr. Is distancing himself from them. Alina Haba, who used to joke about having their back to their face and shit on on camera, is distancing herself from them. Trump's old, old att. You know, all these people are distancing themselves. He was, they were partying with Paolo zampoli in Washington D.C. like three days ago.
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Deep
Paolo needs some tips. You know that. Hey, Paolo, what do we do? We need some tips on.
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Julian Dory
We need some tips. How do we dock it? The crime in that world is not whether you're guilty. The crime is whether you got caught. And actually to take it a step farther, the crime is whether you got caught and you actually let them arrest you.
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Amanda Ungaro
You.
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Julian Dory
Yeah, that's, that's, that's the sad state of affairs here. So we're deep and I are going to continue to look at like the actual full blown details of this case. I take, obviously, I don't care give a. Who's charged with this kind of stuff. You seen the show, we take this stuff really seriously. I want to see what this is. I would love to talk with Jack about, you know, I'm sure a lot of that'll be off record to be fair, because that's just how it is about what the context of that was for him to get that interview in May. And obviously I should probably review a lot of that tape too and see what the Andrew Tate said. Said, but messy as many things seem to be.
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Deep
So talking soccer, son.
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Julian Dory
I ain't talking soccer either. And like, look, if they're actually guilty, fry them. Like, I mean, you see the charges. If they're not, it's weird. And you know, it's like, why, you know, why, why is the government always doing weird things if that's the case? I don't know. It's been a very long day, very long week. Everyone will be a little more rested, hopefully next week. Probably not right now. We, we got. Yeah, I can't, I can't talk about
- [98:20]
Deep
that one we got a buffer day though next week now because of some scheduling. So you know what? We will come in.
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Julian Dory
We do have a buffer day, but there's a podcast that I think is happening that I haven't talked about. Should be very interesting. And that would be before before we record an episode of this next week. So will be coming fresh off that if it happens. We'll see. I did, I did talk to that individual yesterday, so maybe it'll happen. But good stuff coming. Thank you as always for supporting. Hit that subscribe button if you have not already like the video. I appreciate all you guys and that said, give it a thought, get back to me. Peace, peace. What's up guys? Thanks so much for watching the video. If you have not subscribed, please hit that subscribe button before you leave as well as leaving the like on the video. It's a huge, huge help. You can join my Patreon via the link in the description and you can also join my clipping community via the Discord link down below. See you for the next episode.