MATAN on Joining Mossad, Meeting Epstein & Elon Musk's Brain | #461

Summary

Julian Dorey Podcast #461 – Episode Summary

Episode Overview

In this highly anticipated and unconventional episode, host Julian Dorey welcomes Matan, a viral satirical content creator known for his over-the-top character and comedic social/political commentary. The episode is defined by its unscripted, chaotic, and humorous energy, with Julian actively staying in character alongside Matan. Topics range wildly—from Mossad conspiracies and eugenics satire to Epstein lore and Elon Musk’s alleged autism—all interspersed with playful pranks and running gags. Listeners are treated to a Seinfeld-esque experience: “about nothing and everything at once” (00:44).

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Table of Contents

• Key Personalities
• Format & Tone
• Major Discussion Themes
• Notable Quotes & Moments
• Segment Timestamps
• Listener Takeaways

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Key Personalities

• Host: Julian Dorey – Generalist podcaster with a penchant for provocative, satirical episodes.
• Guest: Matan – Satirical online creator, master of deadpan, often mistaken for being “in Mossad,” expert at keeping everyone off-balance.
• Producer: Danny – Regularly the butt of in-studio pranks and commentary.

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Format & Tone

• Entire episode conducted in-character and laden with satire (00:37)
• High-energy banter; intelligence and sarcasm laced through every exchange
• Repeated meta-commentary on the nature of the conversation itself (“Are you like this all day?” — 04:41)
• Frequent, intentional chaos: props (Lysol, plunger, mugs), running gags about Mossad/espionage, pranks on furniture, and unfiltered live interactions, including a bathroom break
• “It’s about nothing but everything at the same time.” – Julian (00:44)

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Major Discussion Themes

1. Matan’s Persona: Mossad Agent, Satirist, and Internet Legend

• Matan’s origins as a character online; refusal to “break character” (02:10, 43:49)
• Ongoing jokes about whether he’s in the Mossad (02:36, 10:10)
• His reputation as one of Julian’s most requested guests

2. Absurd Philosophy: Satirical Eugenics and Social Commentary

• Matan crafts a darkly comedic “eugenics master plan:” IQ-based enslavement, birth control, reward for stupidity—delivered with deadpan seriousness (07:39–11:34)
  • “At some point you just have to implement a small amount of slavery, but it’s for the good of the world.” –Matan (08:07)
• Layered with deliberate provocations (e.g. “small amount of slavery,” “moderate” oppression for IQ-gifted), riffing on dystopian logic

3. Pop Culture and Historical Satire: Epstein, Musk, and More

• Engagement with Epstein conspiracy theories (29:00–31:37, 36:56–38:47)
  • Matan claims he isn’t Epstein’s son, jokes about Palm Beach Pete=Epstein (29:04, 37:01)
  • Discussion of facial similarities, teeth, DNA testing, and face transplants
• Musk as “socially dumb as an African grey parrot” (63:27–63:43)
• Brian Johnson’s longevity quest, drinking his son’s blood, and gallows humor about dying in a car crash (74:31–75:41)

4. Pushing Taboo Buttons: Autism, Crime, Serial Killers, and the CIA

• Satirical commentary on autism, serial killers, and their overlap (63:10–67:20)
  • “Autistic people are either dumb or evil.” –Matan (63:16)
• Casual, humorous dissection of “population elimination” via fentanyl/opioid crisis (111:01)
• Insider take on ex-CIA guests: who is or isn’t still “in” (121:54–125:30)
• Frequent toying with dangerous/edgy territory, aimed at provoking thought and laughs, not literal endorsement

5. Podcast Industry: Inside Baseball

• Meta-commentary on podcast production, guest selection, pay for producers (19:56, 50:00, 121:00)
  • “You just gotta let it roll.” – Julian (25:00)

6. Social Tensions, Culture, and the West

• Gripes with “modern Western world,” gender/drag schooling, and generational shift (14:03–15:34)
• Skewering both sides—reactionary but always circling back to self-awareness and humor

7. Miscellaneous: Pranks, Props, and Breaking the Fourth Wall

• Ongoing battles over table destruction, Lysol spraying, and prop theft
• Running jokes about ethnicity, physical appearance, and self-deprecation
• Genuine bathroom breaks intentionally left in for laughs (95:01+)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Satirical Eugenics:
  • “So beyond abortion, I’m kind of a eugenics master.” –Matan (07:56)
  • “Small amount of slavery… it would look like a small amount of slavery.” –Matan (08:10)
• On Being ‘Mossad’:
  • “Everyone on the Internet is pretty sure you are in the Mossad.” –Julian (02:36)
  • “Well, this is what Mossad agents do.” –Julian (02:06)
• On Intelligence:
  • “If you were way more intelligent and aware of your surroundings at all times.” –Matan to Julian (05:01)
• On Serial Killers/Autism:
  • “Autistic people are either dumb or evil.” –Matan (63:16)
  • “People who kill animals when they’re young are much more likely to become serial killers. Google tries to make it sound nice.” –Matan (66:59)
• On Epstein:
  • “I think it’ll be really funny when [Brian Johnson’s] head explodes.” –Matan (74:31)
  • “Anything to do with Epstein is awesome. He’s a cultural icon.” –Matan (76:53)
• On Drugs/Addictions:
  • “I’m very, very anti-weed.” –Matan (62:07)
  • “Fentanyl isn’t a crisis—it’s the process of elimination.”—Matan (111:09)
• On Podcasting:
  • “It’s about nothing but everything at the same time.” –Julian (00:44)
  • “Do you like playing a character?” –Julian (43:52)
  • “No. I hope you’re playing one or you’re fucked.” –Matan (43:53)

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Segment Timestamps

• 00:00–02:36: Opening banter, intro of Matan, in-character warning
• 07:23–13:30: Satirical eugenics, "slavery" logic
• 29:00–31:37: Epstein conspiracy theorizing, facial comparisons
• 34:04–35:02: Mossad stories, Jewish identity, and rabbi debates
• 63:05–67:20: Autism/serial killer jokes; Elon Musk, intelligence, and social critique
• 74:31–75:41: Brian Johnson, longevity, and Epstein files
• 95:01: Bathroom break and return to studio chaos
• 121:54–125:30: CIA, “sheep dipping,” and meta-podcast talk
• 126:01–127:56: Conclusion, fake/real “beef,” and wrap-up

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Listener Takeaways

• This episode is pure, unfiltered satire; assume nothing is literal and everything is a riff on Internet culture and modern paranoia.
• Matan’s “takes” are exaggerated for effect and humor; the chaos is intentional, and the fourth wall is broken often.
• The conversation is a rapid-fire, circular marathon, returning to running gags—Mossad agent bit, intelligence tests, table destruction, and deadpan trolling.
• Underneath the insanity, a sharp critique emerges on modern media, meme culture, and the state of podcasting—making the episode not just hilarious, but revealing.
• Listeners who appreciate meta-comedy, podcast behind-the-scenes, and fearless boundary-pushing conversation will find this essential listening.

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Summary in a Nutshell:
A satirical masterclass in podcast mayhem—if Seinfeld directed a Mossad-themed fever dream starring a deadpan Internet troll and a host determined to keep up. Add Lysol, Epstein bits, and a live bathroom break. Nothing is sacred, but everything’s fair game for a laugh.

Transcript

[Danny]

All right.

[Julian]

I have done a lot emphasis on a lot of different podcasts over the years. I'm a generalist. I do all different topics. That's what keeps this show fresh, and that's what I love about it. That said, this is without a doubt the most different kind of podcast I have ever done. For those of you that are already familiar with Matan, you already know what you're about to get. He is one of my most requested, if not the most requested guest of all time. Baron Coleman obviously was, like, huge over the last couple months, but over the history of my podcast, I constantly have people asking me to have Matan on. If you are not familiar with Matan, he'll never admit this, but he plays a character online, and what he does is he comments on social, cultural, and political events through this character. It is very funny. It is satirical. It's way over the top. And like, we just did it live for a couple hours and rolled with it. And I stayed in character with him on the other side. And you'll see several times, like, I just broke. Because it's absolutely hysterical. But none of it is meant to be taken literally. Like, if you see his channel, this is what he does and what it is. But it's basically an episode. If I could describe it, like Seinfeld, it's about nothing but everything at the same time. And it was absolutely hysterical. So a lot of you are going to love this. Some of you are going to be like, what the is this? Either way, for those of you this is not for. I'll see you for the next episode. This is also the first time in the history of my podcast I've left in a bathroom break like this didn't cut that part out like you always do, obviously, when you're not by the mics, because it was hysterical. And Matan is just like, extremely entertaining. So if you have not subscribed, please subscribe. Also, please hit that like button. It is a big help. YouTube is really emphasizing that these days. So I appreciate you guys hitting the thumbs up. And that said, please enjoy. What you spraying there.

[Danny]

The smiley face.

[Julian]

Spraying a smiley face with my Lysol from my bathroom. Yes, let's make you feel.

[Matan]

That's exactly right.

[Julian]

Steal other people's and just make yourself at home.

[Matan]

I'm in your house. I'm a guest.

[Julian]

Well, this is what Mossad agents do.

[Matan]

Are we filming now?

[Julian]

Yeah, we're filming.

[Matan]

You didn't even give me a notice.

[Julian]

It doesn't matter. We're on. But like, the. You Know massage agents, they come in, they play with all your. They tell you what to do and don't. Don't fuck with my angles. Hold on a minute, Danny. Now we got to go fix that. Did he fuck with it? I don't even remember what the focals were there. Yeah, yeah, don't worry about it. We'll mark it in a minute. You just, like. You're not answering my question. Everyone on the Internet is pretty sure you are in the Mossad.

[Matan]

In the Mossad.

[Julian]

And you've never denied it.

[Matan]

I guess I would deny it. I've been asked it before, actually, and I've denied it.

[Julian]

You've denied it?

[Matan]

Yeah, but, I mean, the Mossad, but.

[Julian]

So you weren't Jeffrey Epstein's son? That's not true. You weren't born at Zorro.

[Matan]

Unfortunately not. That would have been pretty cool. Imagine living that life.

[Julian]

Why would it have been cool?

[Matan]

Okay, for one, you have a bunch of money, and your daddy's a legend.

[Julian]

A legend? You think Jeffrey Epstein's a legend? Yeah. Why do you think he's a legend?

[Matan]

I mean, does anybody think about him anymore and, like, get, like, a disgusting taste in their stomach? I feel like that time has passed now.

[Julian]

It's like I get a pretty disgusting taste of myself.

[Matan]

Yeah, listen, I was, like, a little too. For, like, a little bit, but now I've. I've got past that. What are you telling him?

[Julian]

I'm. I'm just directing over here. I got to produce the show as well. You know, you're keeping Danny all off balance with our cameras. And by the way, when you were coming in here, you started touching all the electric equipment. I noticed. Like, were you putting any bugs in there?

[Matan]

The electric equipment?

[Julian]

Yeah, anything that's, like, plugged in.

[Matan]

Focus all your cameras too much because

[Julian]

you want us to have the camera on you the whole time?

[Matan]

No, no. I would have got into those ones, too, if I was close enough, but these are within hands reach. Look.

[Julian]

Right, right. So you're just gonna make them have to fix this the entire time? Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna ask you to not touch the cameras again.

[Matan]

Is that a thread? You said that so threateningly.

[Danny]

It's.

[Julian]

Well, I mean, you're the one that sprayed Lysol on me.

[Matan]

I'm cleaning your table.

[Julian]

You're not cleaning my table. It's wood. Do you know that liquid is not very good for wood?

[Matan]

I did not know that.

[Julian]

Probably unaware of this.

[Matan]

I'm unaware of it, yes.

[Julian]

Well, now you're. I've made you aware.

[Matan]

Awesome. Well, no, I. I'm not Mossad. I have been asked that before.

[Julian]

Who asked you that?

[Matan]

A couple people, I think. Sneako asked me that.

[Julian]

Sneako? Sneako's kind of onto that. You know, he's always looking out for the. You got duck and dived. A little Mossad alligator.

[Matan]

He's always trying to find things, you know.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Matan]

He hasn't found anything.

[Julian]

He's found nothing. Would. Not one thing.

[Matan]

I don't even know if he knows where he lives. I think he just happens to find out every once in a while. Just by, luckily, stumbling across it, maybe.

[Julian]

Is this what you're like all day?

[Matan]

Like what?

[Julian]

Like this.

[Matan]

Are you like this all day?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

There you go.

[Julian]

So do you, like, get yourself ready in the mirror in the morning? Do you have to put that face on and, like, you know, kind of, like, frown like that? A little bit?

[Matan]

I'm just relatively serious all the time. You know what I mean?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Matan]

I don't have to look in the mirror and make a face. Is that something you do? No, I would say just imagine the way I behave is exactly like you. If you were way more intelligent and aware of your surroundings at all times.

[Julian]

So you don't think I'm intelligent?

[Matan]

I didn't say that at all.

[Julian]

Well, you said if I were way more intelligent and aware of my surroundings,

[Matan]

which makes if you were more so, not if you were more so.

[Julian]

I've been very aware of everything you're doing. I'm aware of what you've done to my table. I'm aware of the.

[Matan]

How could you not be aware of that? You'd have to be physically blind to not be aware of.

[Julian]

That's true, but there's a lot going

[Matan]

on that's not being particularly aware of your surroundings. Hey, there's a massive bunch of. On my table.

[Julian]

I understand that, but I was kind of out of the room when half of this was happening, watching your guys attempt to plant bugs in my place.

[Matan]

No, this is gonna do this.

[Julian]

Okay, zoom that one a little bit. Okay. Just a little bit. You're gonna make this difficult, aren't you?

[Matan]

On him, because he said he's not the producer and you're not paying him any extra money. He's just the editor on Instagram reels.

[Julian]

I pay Danny a lot of money.

[Matan]

No, he said he doesn't get extra money for this.

[Julian]

Danny Gonzalez is a kid killer, bro.

[Matan]

He told me for a fact when you weren't here. You're not giving him extra money for this.

[Julian]

Did you really tell him that?

[Danny]

I getting extra money. I'm saying, I'm just. This is just my.

[Matan]

He said he's doing it.

[Julian]

You're already losing.

[Danny]

Come on.

[Matan]

Yeah, you see how he's stumbling across his words now?

[Julian]

Stumbling across his absolutely nervous individual?

[Matan]

Absolutely. Told me he's not getting any extra money for doing.

[Julian]

When did you ask him that? When I was in the Pisha dul.

[Matan]

Is that the bathroom?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

Yeah, it's exactly what I asked.

[Julian]

Gave him this information without my permission. Oh, I told you, this guy's in the fucking massage. You know you can't just volunteer that kind of stuff.

[Danny]

I thought the facade only came here on Tuesday.

[Julian]

No, they're never here. But they're planning bugs outside right now. Why did you roll in with like five fucking guys?

[Matan]

Well, I had a couple of people with me.

[Julian]

You had a couple people with you? What are they doing out there? What are their instructions?

[Matan]

They're probably sitting on their phone right now watching, like, Hitler speeches on Instagram reels.

[Julian]

Speeches? The ones that are translated back into English?

[Matan]

Like. No, just in German. Pure German.

[Julian]

So they speak German with their learning. They're learning. Is that you making them learn that?

[Matan]

No, this is like, outside of my control. That's just what's on Instagram nowadays, right? I'm not telling them to do that. I don't even know if they're far right. That's just what shows up nowadays.

[Julian]

But you're far right?

[Matan]

I would say on some topics, yes.

[Julian]

What topics?

[Matan]

It depends what.

[Julian]

Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge, huge help.

[Danny]

Thank you.

[Julian]

All right, on abortion, where are you on abortion?

[Matan]

That's an interesting one. You're saying you want to move to one because that's boring or you want to stay?

[Julian]

No, I'm saying let's start with a real boring one.

[Matan]

Well, I think there's a birth problem, right?

[Julian]

You think there's a birth problem?

[Matan]

Well, you don't agree? I feel like that's kind of objective.

[Julian]

What, that we're not producing enough? I agree that, yeah.

[Matan]

So why don't we just collect a lot of smart radio, relatively attractive people and then not give them a choice? So beyond abortion, I'm kind of a eugenics master.

[Julian]

You're a eugenics master. So you want, like, the highest IQs, you know?

[Matan]

Yeah, but they won't agree to do this. So at some point you just have to implement a small amount of slavery. But it's for the Good of the

[Julian]

world, small amount of slavery, what would that look like?

[Matan]

It would look like a small amount of slavery.

[Julian]

Like, you know, is it kind of like you're.

[Matan]

It would look like you go to a school of like people who are in college above the age of 18. Because that's just this arbitrary law we've decided.

[Julian]

What's arbitrary? 18.

[Matan]

We'll move on. Okay, so you get these 18 year olds, you figure out who's the smartest, and then you turn them into slaves. Basically.

[Julian]

Now how would you figure that out before you turn them into slaves? When you're figuring out who's the smartest, is it just like an IQ test or how would you determine that?

[Matan]

There's a couple things. That would be one of them. Maybe you asked him if they watch shows like this, and what would the

[Julian]

correct answer be to get them to be?

[Matan]

If they say yes, it completely eliminates them from the prospect of being a slave. So actually you'd be saving all of your fans from being slaves.

[Julian]

Okay, so the ones who are not smart don't have to be slaves.

[Matan]

What?

[Julian]

What do they do? I'll come back to the slaves in a second. Also, I drank out of that before you stole it.

[Matan]

No, that's not true.

[Julian]

It's very true. I refilled it. I drink a lot of water.

[Matan]

No, it's not true. You're lying to gross me out.

[Julian]

It's 100%.

[Matan]

I saw the water was completely full.

[Julian]

I don't have herpes or anything as far as I know.

[Matan]

But you know, I. I saw the water there completely.

[Julian]

Uh huh. All right, now you're gonna spray my cot. My phone's right there too.

[Matan]

Now you'll get sick. It'll be in your nose all day.

[Julian]

Yeah, but the straw is up pretty high. So anyway, back to their slaves and non slaves before he starts spraying away.

[Matan]

So you don't even know what I can do. Okay, go ahead.

[Julian]

Whatever you're saying, I don't know what you can do. I don't know what they taught you in Tel Aviv. But back to the slaves and non slaves thing. So the people that you would characterize as dumb don't have to be slaves. Isn't that kind of like you're rewarding them for being dumb?

[Matan]

That's exactly true.

[Julian]

Yeah. Now why would you do that?

[Matan]

Why would you reward somebody for being smart? It's not like it was up to them to be smart.

[Julian]

Yeah, but it wasn't up to them to be dumb. And you said you're okay, but we're

[Matan]

doing this pragmatically, we're not just doing this in a fair way. What are you trying to like, make sure that there's no direct cause of who becomes a slave? That's it.

[Julian]

Why is that?

[Matan]

Because then you'll get a bunch of dumb slaves.

[Julian]

But isn't that what everyone who's done slavery throughout history always wanted it to be? So that the slaves would not be smart and uprise them. So you're saying you're flipping around.

[Matan]

You're saying no amount of intelligence can get you out of a metal room if you're chained by every limb.

[Julian]

If you're chained by. So you would chain them? Cuz you said it was only moderate slavery. When I picture a metal room and someone chained by every limb.

[Matan]

No, I meant like a small amount of it. Very extreme circumstances, but only for like 100,000 people.

[Julian]

On a scale of one to Django, what are we talking?

[Matan]

I haven't seen that movie. Oh, Django. Which one?

[Julian]

That was the one with Jamie Foxx and Leonardo.

[Matan]

I thought you're talking about the one with the lizard.

[Julian]

The lizard, yeah, Django. What was one. Yeah, Django and chain. Yeah, yeah, that's the slave movie. But what's the lizard one?

[Matan]

The lizard with the gun? An awesome lizard who fights the snake.

[Julian]

I don't remember this one. I must have missed it.

[Matan]

Rango.

[Julian]

Rango. Can we look that up? Rango. I think I missed that one.

[Matan]

Yeah, that's a real.

[Julian]

You know, you don't want to go like full Django.

[Matan]

I don't really remember exactly what happens in the movie, but doesn't kind of get free relatively easily?

[Julian]

No.

[Matan]

And then isn't there like a law that once he's bought out for free, he's then a free man and you can't like even take him?

[Julian]

Well, technically, with Django, yes, but then they broke that law because that's what the slave owners would do.

[Matan]

Okay, but that's illegal. Like technically that would have been illegal. They're just breaking the law also. Okay, so that obviously has to be. We have to be more extreme than that.

[Julian]

You have to be more extreme than that.

[Matan]

This is a pragmatic thing I'm doing. This isn't me supporting slavery. This is trying to get a bunch of. A bunch of children born. Right.

[Julian]

So you were picturing Rango here.

[Matan]

Yes.

[Julian]

Yeah. That's an unfortunate looking creature.

[Matan]

He's an awesome lizard. He's green and he's smart and he has a gun and he fights a snake.

[Julian]

And he fights the snake. So you were rooting for him over the snake?

[Matan]

Absolutely.

[Julian]

So, you know, the devil was a snake.

[Matan]

I haven't watched the movie in a while, but I think the snake has a rattling gun.

[Julian]

A rattling gun.

[Matan]

Get it? Because it's like a rattlesnake and he has a gun.

[Julian]

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[Danny]

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[Julian]

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[Matan]

Very creative.

[Julian]

So anyway, what would you do with the dumb people that are below your test that you're not going to enslave?

[Matan]

You just answered that by even asking

[Julian]

me why did I answer that?

[Matan]

By what are you gonna do with the dumb people who don't fulfill your test who are not gonna become slaves? They're not gonna become slaves.

[Julian]

Right. But, like, what are you. What's gonna happen to them? Are they gonna, like, get to go out to the prairie? Like, what's going on?

[Matan]

I would prefer everything stays the same. I like the. The modern Western world in most of its ways. We just have to have more people so it doesn't turn into the non western world. Right.

[Julian]

I'll come back to the slaves things. But when you say in most of its ways, what ways don't you like?

[Matan]

There's a couple of them. I guess it depends when you ask, like where I'm. I'm at on the. Where I have. Right. Political views. I guess it just depends on the problem.

[Julian]

So what might be a problem? Like trans, that kind of stuff?

[Matan]

Yeah, I think that should be legal.

[Julian]

You think it should be illegal?

[Matan]

Actually, you know what? I think it should be legal. I take it back. I thought about it for a second.

[Julian]

You just don't think they should be reading in kindergartens?

[Matan]

I think it should be legal and I think they should be reading in kindergartens because it's really funny. And back in the day, people would let clowns into kindergartens to entertain the children. And I'm not saying the transgender people are clowns. I'm just saying typically they look like them.

[Julian]

Right, so you're saying it's on brand then?

[Matan]

Well, I mean, they're usually entertaining at least like when they're talking about the drag queens in the kindergartens. I used to be concerned too. Like, you know, I don't want my. If I have children seeing that. I wouldn't want any of my family who are young to see that, especially when they're that young. But then again, it's like, you know, it's like a real time movie you get to watch.

[Julian]

It's a real time movie. Like a comedy movie or just like a documentary?

[Matan]

I guess it's kind of like National Geographic.

[Julian]

National Geographic. Oh, you're going out there in the wild?

[Matan]

No, they're coming to you.

[Julian]

They're coming to you.

[Matan]

Yeah, but that is their wild sort of.

[Julian]

How's that?

[Matan]

They're wild because clearly that's where they want to be instinctually in a kindergarten, dancing like a clown. Okay, got it.

[Julian]

So when you hold some of these views, you feel like not all of it is compatible with what people in the west are doing these days that you disagree with because you like the traditional West.

[Matan]

I don't even know what you just said. It sounds like you don't want your bullshit.

[Julian]

No, it was. There were a lot.

[Matan]

When I hold these views, I want to do them but not implement them. Because they're not compatible with the west, right? No, I would like to implement them. What is. What is ridiculously stupid question?

[Julian]

You can't call my questions ridiculously. Stupid because you agreed to be here. You knew what kind of questions I asked.

[Matan]

Well, you've been asking me for two years, so I felt like. No, you went first. No.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Matan]

No. You found my number somewhere. I don't even know where you got my number. Absolutely not. And I'm not even saying that to, like, sound like I'm cooler than you or anything. That's just not what happened.

[Julian]

So you're changing history now?

[Matan]

I don't even. I think. And I don't even mean this in, again, a way to sound cool or anything, but I think you just somehow found my number. And I'm a nice guy and I'm not paranoid, so I just.

[Julian]

So you just agreed to text me back, even though I'm just some random guy that found your number? Which never happened, by the way.

[Matan]

So how did we get in contact? I'm pretty sure that's what happened.

[Julian]

You wanted to come on, and then I got tossed on a group text with you.

[Matan]

Not what happened.

[Julian]

That did happen. No, you had the hair. You already had the hair then.

[Matan]

Okay, well, regardless, I don't. I don't really remember, but I'm pretty sure you found my number somewhere. Right?

[Julian]

Do you wake up like this, or is there, like, work that goes into this?

[Matan]

Very rarely. I'll take a shower.

[Julian]

Very rarely. So you don't even do the shampoo? It's bad for your skin to shower?

[Matan]

Yeah.

[Julian]

What about if you have one of those, like, shower filter things?

[Matan]

What would that change?

[Julian]

Well, filters out all the bad. So the shower.

[Matan]

No water touching your skin is bad for you.

[Julian]

Why is water touching your skin bad for you? We're made out of water.

[Matan]

It'll make you die quicker.

[Julian]

Why does it make you die quicker?

[Matan]

Because the water that you're made out of is killing you. That's what kills you. It's not compatible with the oxygen.

[Julian]

You totally made that up.

[Matan]

No, I. Okay, on the top of my head, something that complicated.

[Julian]

I mean, it's not that complicated, but I think you made that up.

[Matan]

It's not. It's not computer. Why do you think people die? Why do you think people get diseases that don't exist in their body?

[Julian]

A lot of different reasons.

[Matan]

Yeah, because they're vulnerable. Because the water is not compatible with the oxygen. The solution is a. Is a ball of rotting meat.

[Julian]

A ball of rotting. That's what you did? Describe a human being as.

[Matan]

No, like, I think it's eating one. I think that's what the guy said on Instagram. It's a clip. I Saw a while ago.

[Julian]

It's a clip. Like a cannibal?

[Matan]

I don't think so. I think the guy's probably dead by now.

[Julian]

The guy in the clip. Right. He'll keep fixing it. It's okay.

[Matan]

Does he have to fix an hour later?

[Julian]

No, I mean, he'll fix it now, and then you'll probably undo it and he'll fix it again. It's fine. We'll get that part.

[Matan]

I'm just trying to get him so irritated that by the end of this, he tells you, I'm going to get paid for this.

[Julian]

No, he's like the nicest guy.

[Matan]

Yeah, I'm going to. Everybody has a breaking point.

[Julian]

You could kick him in.

[Danny]

Comfortable? I'm great.

[Julian]

No, he's good. He's good. He's good. I guess we're just going to be farther away for a lot of today. It is what it is.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah. So you understand, like, there's a lot of time that goes into lining that up to the exact right number and everything. No, you don't.

[Matan]

I have no idea.

[Julian]

Well, you just make studios, right? You just set up.

[Matan]

Oh, you're saying you have to have the exact zoom in number that you said?

[Julian]

Yeah, I'm ocd. I like it. On a certain, you know, certain setting, for sure.

[Matan]

Way beyond the point of that happening today. That ended, like, immediately.

[Julian]

It ended immediately. When the paper towel hit the ground.

[Matan]

When the paper towel hit the ground.

[Julian]

The paper towels you put over there, that I think.

[Matan]

No, I was cleaning some other. The mess I made over there.

[Julian]

So you just put it on the ground. You know, there's a trash can right here and there's two right outside the door.

[Matan]

It's right here.

[Julian]

Anyone over there. Anyone could have seen that.

[Matan]

I can't see that.

[Julian]

Anyone could have seen this. You were looking around at all my equipment. I know. You saw the trash can. Look, it has trash in it.

[Matan]

That mini trash.

[Julian]

This has trash in it. You can see it.

[Matan]

That doesn't even look like a trash can.

[Julian]

It is a trash can. You can see that. It is waste in here.

[Matan]

Let me see it.

[Julian]

Yes. Don't dump it. You don't do the New York Knicks lady. I know what you're doing. You're gonna take it. You're not. Who? Oh, so if. So if you were, you would dump

[Matan]

it yourself and then I would steal it. Yeah, you would steal it because that's actually what happened, right?

[Julian]

Yeah, it's kind of racist.

[Matan]

No, but that's not racist. That's what happened.

[Julian]

That's that's what happened.

[Matan]

Is that racist?

[Julian]

I think she was Spanish, but that's neither here nor there.

[Matan]

She wasn't white, that's for sure.

[Julian]

Could have been a little bit in there. Might have been.

[Matan]

That's not why.

[Julian]

It might have been nicked by it.

[Matan]

Nope. Not.

[Julian]

Are you white? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Matan]

German.

[Julian]

You're German

[Matan]

with, like, a small amount, like, Spaniard. You know, like the conquerors.

[Julian]

A little bit of Spaniard. Now, is that Spaniard, like, kicked out of Spain in the late 15th century.

[Matan]

No, no, no.

[Julian]

Got it.

[Matan]

I said the conquerors, not the conquered.

[Julian]

Not the con. Oh, so they were conquered when they were kicked out.

[Matan]

I mean, clearly. Isn't it like 1500 years before that they got conquered by the Italians or whatever? I guess they were the Romans back then in their own place.

[Julian]

Yeah. What year are we in something? 0b0.

[Matan]

You're like that. You know what I'm talking about. But yeah.

[Julian]

So you're a fan of the Roman Empire? You like conquerors?

[Matan]

I was just saying, I'm, like, mostly German. A little Spanish.

[Julian]

Mostly German. A little Spanish. Now, like, you know, is this the kind of German that, like, in 1934, 1935, say, they would have considered German? Or is it. You know,

[Matan]

I feel like we just went over a different way of describing that. I'm not Jewish. And now we're doing it again, obviously. I mean, just German.

[Julian]

Everyone points at that, though. They're like, man, this guy. Really? You don't like Israel too much, but.

[Matan]

Well, because I used to be Jewish. You know what I mean?

[Julian]

You used to be. So you can be unjewish?

[Matan]

Yeah. Well, I guess by. I used to think that only if you don't become religious, you can get out of being Jewish.

[Julian]

Only if you don't become religious. There's a lot of secular Jews.

[Matan]

According to who? Well, that's just because the rabbis say if you're born Jewish, you're Jewish forever. Right, okay, well, according to rabbis who believe in the religion that I don't.

[Julian]

Right.

[Matan]

So I don't have to agree with that. I'm just not Jewish.

[Julian]

So you view it as a religion.

[Matan]

Okay, well, I also. By the way, I don't know when this is releasing, but I recently spoke to a rabbi in my show. It hasn't released yet. It'll be out, like, maybe 10 days from now.

[Julian]

Was it Shmuley?

[Matan]

No.

[Julian]

Okay, that's good.

[Matan]

When does this release?

[Julian]

Probably around that time.

[Matan]

In, like, 10 days.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

Yeah.

[Julian]

What are we. We're recording on, what, Thursday? So Yeah, probably like, 12 days.

[Matan]

What day?

[Julian]

Probably a Tuesday.

[Matan]

But not.

[Julian]

But I might just be saying that to lie to you. I don't know.

[Matan]

Okay, well, regardless, this rabbi told me that I'm the most wicked man in the world, basically now that I'm also serious. He was serious.

[Julian]

He was serious.

[Matan]

He was serious.

[Julian]

Did he know, like, you do A bit.

[Matan]

Well, that's. That's part of it. That he thinks I'm doing a bit. I'm not, but he thinks I'm doing a bit. He thinks I'm mocking him, like, on

[Julian]

the show or off camera, too.

[Matan]

I didn't really interact with him that much off camera, to be honest with you. It was a big debate.

[Julian]

What do you do? Like, do you talk with your people for a while before they're on air, or do you guys, like.

[Matan]

Yeah, not typically. I like to start immediately if I can just get into the show.

[Julian]

So you just walk into that White house.

[Matan]

This is super disrespectful.

[Julian]

I know. That's what I'm doing. I'm trying to distract you. No, you weren't doing Lysol 100. Yeah.

[Matan]

Not a distraction.

[Julian]

You spray. You sprayed Lysol at my.

[Matan]

Don't try to.

[Julian]

Coffee.

[Matan]

Don't try to make me think that's a distraction. I know. You're just having to make texts to people. I mean, you should have got that sorted earlier.

[Julian]

It's just. It's just.

[Matan]

Yeah, you switched it.

[Julian]

That's right. No, I didn't switch. It says, live with Matan. See that? No, I'm not gonna hand you my phone.

[Matan]

Why not?

[Julian]

My phone. Despise. I'm sorry.

[Matan]

Why?

[Danny]

Just a.

[Julian]

Just a matter of habit.

[Matan]

Is he not who you'd want to hand your phone to?

[Julian]

No. Why? No? Because I don't know what you're gonna do with it.

[Danny]

Look.

[Matan]

Oh, I got it.

[Julian]

I don't think you got it.

[Matan]

Yeah, I did, because that was like. There's a little spray. I got at least one of them in there.

[Julian]

Yeah. So now I gotta drink out of the actual thing right here. See what you did to me? Because you thought you. Hold on a minute. That's gonna hit the mic, and then I'm gonna be, like, huffing in whatever that is, you know? Oh. Oh, God damn it.

[Danny]

Come on. You're asking for it.

[Julian]

You were. You practiced that. You practiced.

[Matan]

I was. That was my plan to get that straw.

[Julian]

That was.

[Matan]

Yeah, I'm gonna drink it.

[Julian]

I have another one in the fridge. It's the brown one on the left. Can you Just bring it and put it, like, down there. Like in the bunker chamber.

[Danny]

Oh, yeah.

[Matan]

Are you coming?

[Danny]

You don't want me to bring it back in here for you to drink?

[Julian]

Yeah, bring it back in here for me to drink. Just don't.

[Matan]

Are you coming this way again?

[Julian]

He's coming.

[Danny]

I might. I don't know.

[Matan]

You might as well just.

[Julian]

We're gonna have to fix this thing up.

[Danny]

Give me something to do. Yeah, I'll get out my way.

[Julian]

You and I can just sit in here and wait for him.

[Matan]

But he wasn't really contributing much to the conversation, was he?

[Julian]

That's not what he's here to do. I thought he was contributing just fine because you made him have to get up a bunch of times to fit, fix the mic and.

[Matan]

Or you're the one who sent him out, and this is your show, so I don't really care how much time you waste on it or what silent parts you decide to cut out. Yeah, because you want better retention.

[Julian]

No, we never. We've never done that ever.

[Matan]

Okay, well, then if you want. I don't. Then it doesn't matter to me either way.

[Julian]

Yeah, you just gotta let it roll. Do you, like, cut out a lot of parts?

[Matan]

No.

[Julian]

I was gonna say it seems like you're like, bing, bang, boom, yeah, the whole time. How do you decide who you're gonna bring on? No, no, no. The. The brown one on the left. Well, nothing.

[Danny]

Thanks.

[Julian]

How you decide who you want to bring on?

[Matan]

I guess it depends if I'm interested. To talk to them.

[Julian]

Right.

[Matan]

Seems like a pretty reasonable standard.

[Julian]

It's a good start. So you were really interested to talk to Palm Beach Pete?

[Matan]

Mr. Epstein thinks he's Epstein. So who would turn down the opportunity to talk to Epstein?

[Julian]

Did he agree to do a DNA test?

[Matan]

I think he's claiming on Instagram that they're not giving it back to him. I don't really know what the situation is. He's saying that they won't give him the DNA.

[Julian]

Took one on separately.

[Matan]

Why are you on a thing that says live with me? Are we going live?

[Julian]

It's not live yet.

[Matan]

Well, we're gonna go live.

[Julian]

I'll decide if we're gonna go live.

[Matan]

On what? On Instagram?

[Julian]

Yeah, it would probably be on Instagram.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Julian]

Just trying to keep you off balance, you know?

[Matan]

That's not really working. It's like the level one trick. It's like, I'm gonna play and do random on my phone and go live. I did that three years ago.

[Julian]

Well, I. You know, unfortunately, you stole all my cleaning supplies, so I was.

[Matan]

I sold them. I just moved them to a different room in your house. If I leave this. If I leave this apartment and then the building. Then go back to LA with your half empty Lysol can. Yeah, but we can call it stealing.

[Julian]

I built this table with Danny Jones, who's a terrific craftsman. No, Danny Jones. The podcast.

[Matan]

Danny Brown.

[Julian]

No, no. Danny Jones. And, like, you just sprayed liquids on the table that he flew up here from Florida to build with me. It's not.

[Matan]

You had to have a guy fly up from Florida to build a table with six wooden planks.

[Julian]

It's actually got eight.

[Matan]

Should have learned that in, like, Minecraft at, like, 10 years old. How to do this?

[Julian]

No, this is. This all happened in a day. We got this guy.

[Matan]

I would. Yeah, that's not impressive. He was able to. To put six or eight wooden planks together in one day.

[Julian]

In one day. What's impressive about all the planks? And we had to get them up here. We had to go to Home Depot.

[Matan]

This doesn't sound maybe as complicated as you think it was.

[Julian]

Listen, it was a process we used.

[Matan]

Like, your mic actually smells like a complete.

[Julian]

It smells like I just had Ed Calderone there. I thought he smelled perfectly fine. That one. No, no, don't take off the COVID Oh, you're changing the COVID Oh, yeah. Okay. That's never been done before. Oh, what's. What's like. Is Mike. Mike coming in, or is he just gonna, like, sit out and stare at me through the wall? I can feel his eyes.

[Matan]

He's just sitting outside. Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah. Does he. He's always like that, though.

[Matan]

Are you always like this? We already went over.

[Julian]

Yeah, but I'm always like this. He's on a different level, though.

[Matan]

Like, he's a crazy homeless guys to scare people.

[Julian]

Where'd you find him?

[Matan]

On the street.

[Julian]

You found him on the street?

[Matan]

That's correct.

[Julian]

Which street? Like, which?

[Matan]

I don't want to specify because I feel like I might find more people where I found him, and I'd like to acquire those people.

[Julian]

You like to acquire.

[Matan]

I don't want to give other people the opportunity, make it easier for them to acquire.

[Julian]

So when you say acquire them, are you implying that, like, Mike. Mike is your slave, so you're testing out your whole slave thing?

[Matan]

It's illegal to say slave.

[Julian]

It's illegal to say slave, so you might.

[Matan]

It's not illegal to say slave. It's illegal to claim.

[Julian]

Is my slave right to verbally and publicly claim that, but maybe privately.

[Matan]

But. But I don't even know you like that. So if that was true, then you would still be illegal. Privately, I would just be risking it. And that's not happening today, so.

[Julian]

We know. We never talked about the smart people. You would turn into slaves. What if there were enough smart people above a certain IQ line? That there were way more of them than there were of you and they were. You weren't able to.

[Matan]

There were a bunch of people who had a higher IQ than me. Well, it's not possible.

[Julian]

It's. What is your IQ?

[Matan]

I believe it was about 400.

[Julian]

That's not even possible. One of the highest ever recorded is 220.

[Matan]

Yeah. And I destroyed the record. You're looking at the highest IQ man in the world.

[Julian]

You were just born like this.

[Matan]

I. That's probably how it happens for most people.

[Julian]

So when Jeff also.

[Matan]

Some environment as well.

[Julian]

When Jeff put you in an IVF tube at Zoro.

[Matan]

You think I know Jeffrey Epstein? I mean, I do kind of. I just interviewed.

[Julian]

You kind of look like him.

[Matan]

Epstein.

[Julian]

Yeah. You look like a young Epstein.

[Matan]

Is that just an insult or is it a Jewish joke or what?

[Julian]

No. Can we pull up his Dalton image? Just type in Jeffrey Epstein, Dalton School. There's an uncanny resemblance. No, it was a high school that he taught at. And then abuse the. I mean, you know what he does. Yeah, there he is.

[Danny]

See?

[Julian]

And let's just pull that over on the screen right there, Danny. So we got that.

[Matan]

I can't see any.

[Julian]

He's. He's about to pull it over for you. There's the window. See? That kind of looks. It's like remarkably similar. He's got a similar thing going on with the hair.

[Matan]

I actually think he looks completely different. He looks just like the most stereotypical Jew there ever, but he doesn't.

[Julian]

What makes him look stereotypical Jew there?

[Matan]

His hair, his face.

[Julian]

I mean, he could be Italian.

[Matan]

He doesn't look Italian.

[Julian]

That seems a little anti Semitic of you to say that.

[Matan]

I'm saying a guy who was extremely Jewish looks Jewish in their 40s when he's like having the bald thing.

[Julian]

24 right there.

[Danny]

Oh, really?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

He doesn't look 24.

[Julian]

He doesn't look 24. I'll agree with you there.

[Matan]

That's 24 right there. What did he do? You said he did something bad there.

[Julian]

Yeah, he was a teacher and he would go the parties with the students.

[Matan]

That's bad. Can have a little fun.

[Julian]

They were underage, so it's not great.

[Matan]

You just Said he went to Dalton, which sounds like he taught at Dalton.

[Julian]

That's when he's a teacher.

[Matan]

That sounds like a college. That sounds like a college.

[Julian]

Dalton is a high school.

[Matan]

Oh, it's still not that.

[Julian]

You know who the principal at Dalton was?

[Danny]

No.

[Matan]

Dalton.

[Julian]

I'm actually surprised you don't know that.

[Matan]

Who is it?

[Julian]

You remember Bill Barr, the Attorney General?

[Matan]

Maybe.

[Danny]

Why?

[Julian]

Okay. His dad. His dad was the principal there.

[Matan]

This is part of a conspiracy, I'm sure.

[Julian]

Oh, it's got to be. I mean, there's all kinds of pieces to this thing.

[Matan]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Did he ever tell you officially who he worked for when you were born to him?

[Matan]

Who, Epstein?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

No, he was denying that he was even Epstein. He was saying, oh, no, I'm Palm Beach Pete. I live in Palm beach now.

[Julian]

So you really think that Palm beach paint is Epstein? Yeah.

[Matan]

Impression.

[Julian]

What made that was Palm beach be.

[Matan]

I thought it was like, Joshua Block. What?

[Julian]

What made you think that?

[Matan]

That he looks like him. They will grow up in the same place. They then move to the same place. And they're also about the same age. And it's also.

[Julian]

He's, like, three, four years younger than Epstein would be.

[Matan]

Yeah, but that's, like, really impossible to prove. Sort of, right? I mean, how is he gonna prove that he's not 74 instead of 71 or whatever?

[Danny]

We do.

[Julian]

We. I mean, we got to get that DNA test that they're holding back.

[Matan]

We gotta get OR one that he's just lying about taking.

[Julian]

I mean, I think he very well.

[Matan]

So the DNA test, as I said to him, doesn't prove anything. He could get that tampered with extremely easily.

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[Julian]

it was very interesting that he said his one time in Israel he played against the head of Mossad. That was, that was enlightening for me.

[Matan]

Even more interesting, he said that he took the one free day he had and he went to the the Wailing Wall.

[Julian]

Have you ever been there? No. Why not?

[Matan]

Why haven't I been to the Wailing Wall?

[Julian]

You're Jewish. You're supposed to go.

[Matan]

No, I'm German.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Julian]

What are you.

[Matan]

You look like a skateboarder. You look like the guy that Conor McGregor was insulting for like a 40 year old retired.

[Julian]

That means you can't pinpoint. Pinpoint me. I can no guess my ethnicity. I'll even. There's like 10 in there that I don't even know.

[Matan]

Well, I was just gonna say white. You're asking me to guess what type of white? Because you're clearly just white.

[Julian]

But emanating from where? Give you a hint. I. I don't think I really had any family whatsoever in the tree here before the year 1900 or maybe like 1890.

[Matan]

In America.

[Julian]

Yeah, in America, I'm. I'm a spawn of immigrants.

[Matan]

I would have said Italian, but obviously that doesn't seem likely after that.

[Julian]

Well, you know, the Italian face didn't happen for sure, but I got the. I got the half Italian, half Irish.

[Matan]

So I was right. Yeah, I was actually about to say Irish after that. Guess.

[Julian]

Yeah, I got the Irish looks.

[Matan]

Yeah. So what do you mean? I can't pinpoint you. I just did it perfectly.

[Julian]

Yeah, but you didn't before. I had to give you a bunch of hints.

[Matan]

A bunch of hints? Like what? A bunch of hints that actually made.

[Julian]

You shouldn't have to give someone who

[Matan]

has a. I didn't ask you for any hints. You started giving me hints.

[Julian]

Yeah, but I felt bad because you were way off.

[Matan]

I was way off? You said Italian.

[Julian]

No, that was before.

[Matan]

What did I say before?

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[Julian]

Before that even.

[Matan]

And what did I say then?

[Julian]

Skateboarder.

[Matan]

You look like one. I didn't say you wore one. I said you look like the guy that Conor McGregor insulted.

[Julian]

Which guy was that? He's sold him up.

[Matan]

Look up. 40 year old retired skateboarder.

[Julian]

40 year old retired skateboard. Is this Tony Hawk? No, no. You know Tony Hawk, right?

[Matan]

Yeah, I met him.

[Julian]

How's he?

[Matan]

Nice guy.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

This guy doesn't you. Don't you look kind of like him?

[Julian]

Yeah, I could see it. That's the first. I don't know who it is, but yeah, I could see that for sure.

[Matan]

That's Uriah Faber.

[Julian]

Yeah. I like fitted hats.

[Matan]

The ufc, that's the difference.

[Julian]

Unless I'm wearing a forward. If I'm wearing a forward hat, I won't wear a fitted. Sometimes I like fitted hats.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Matan]

Yeah. But you know that you look exactly like him, right?

[Julian]

I think I look similar. Yeah, I think that's a good.

[Matan]

You look a lot more like him than I look like Epstein.

[Julian]

I don't know about that.

[Matan]

I don't even think I look like Epstein. Is it?

[Julian]

You never thought it even so when you were talking.

[Matan]

I want to do like a Jewish trick and start just saying anti Semitic. Anti Semitic. I'm being attacked on the train. Police.

[Danny]

Police. Police.

[Julian]

Who is this guy?

[Matan]

He's a ufc. I don't know if he was a champ. I might have been a champ.

[Julian]

Right. So you really think Palm Beach Pete is Epstein?

[Matan]

Yeah, I think so. I think it's likely. It's a great trick he's doing.

[Julian]

How are the teeth looking with him?

[Matan]

Oh, I thought you said I had something on my mouth.

[Julian]

No, no, you're good. You're clean. You got a lot of Lysol. You're clean. But, like, his. You ever seen people break down, like, his teeth and Epstein's teeth?

[Matan]

Yeah, I don't really think that means anything. I did see a video where they say they look similar, but to me, that's almost irrelevant, because an operation that big where Epstein is coming back is like a planted meme. You'd think that he would consider making the teeth look different if he thought that was an important factor.

[Julian]

All right, so this is just me, but, like, if I went. Let's say I were Jeffrey Epstein back in the year 2019, and I had to go get, like, a face transplant, you know, we're gonna fake my death and all that. I would definitely. Not that I know how face transplant surgery works.

[Matan]

Transplant?

[Julian]

I don't think that's like, I hear it's a thing with the elites, and you never know these days.

[Matan]

Well, you're schizophrenic, so you believe anything you hear from, like, the crazy idiots you have on your show.

[Julian]

Hold on.

[Matan]

A face transplant?

[Julian]

Hold on a minute. Are you an idiot because you think Palm Beach Pete is Epstein, which would require him to have had a face

[Matan]

transplant because he has this same plane with your face?

[Julian]

It's not the same face.

[Matan]

What are you, an idiot? What are you talking.

[Julian]

No. Can we pull up.

[Matan]

Get a face transplant to implant what? The same face? What are you talking.

[Julian]

That's my point. I would have gone there and said, make me Asian. Make me something totally different.

[Matan]

Yeah, well, I don't think a face transplant exists. You would have said, hey, insert me into a video game.

[Julian]

You never seen the movie Face Off? That was back in the 1990s.

[Matan]

The same. What do you mean, a face transplant? They're not.

[Julian]

They're. They're similar. They're not the same.

[Matan]

They're identical.

[Julian]

They're not.

[Matan]

That's just dude. That's just him when he's older. What's that photo from a Epstein? Like, that's an older photo of him when it. And when they claim he died. The latest it could even be from is, like, 2019. That looks exactly like that guy, but, like, years older, which is exactly.

[Julian]

Ever seen Jeffrey Epstein's gums and teeth? No, I wouldn't recommend it, but they're way different than. Can I see it on the top side yeah. Can we do Jeffrey Epstein smiling? Also the way that the eyes sit way softer on Pond.

[Matan]

He's older.

[Julian]

No, that's not.

[Matan]

Some pretty fucking cool teeth.

[Julian]

That's a meme. Those are memes. Type in Epstein TRUMP 1992. Did you ever meet Donald back in the day with Jeff? You never did.

[Matan]

Back in the day, yeah. Even if I was related to Epstein, like your joke is implying. How old do you think I am? I'm 19 years old.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

1992, you know.

[Julian]

Yeah. You're born in 07.

[Matan]

That's 15 years before I was even born.

[Julian]

Right, well, this is before. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. They're a lot younger here. I don't know if I can see on the video. You can see him smiling. His teeth are very small and he's got, like, big gums.

[Matan]

And unlike a face transplant teeth and reconstruction, you can actually exists.

[Julian]

But it's very.

[Matan]

That's the truth, by the way. That's not just some crazy. You heard from a schizophrenic guest you had on that thinks they're either being gang stalked because they were in the FBI, which they weren't.

[Julian]

Who was that?

[Matan]

I don't know. Probably like half of your guests.

[Julian]

Half of my guests, they thought they were in the FBI.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Matan]

And they think now they're being gang stalked.

[Julian]

I don't think I've ever had anyone actually like, accused that of happening. That's a first. You're the first guest to bring that up.

[Matan]

What is.

[Julian]

What is stalking?

[Matan]

What is.

[Julian]

What is. That's just the production notes. It's like coffee. Do you have water? I didn't put Lysol on there.

[Matan]

You had to. You had to write that on a notepad to get you coffee and water?

[Julian]

Yes. It's like a little checklist just to make sure we got everything. Are the cameras turned on? Are they in right focus? No, they're not. All right, Danny, we're gonna have to go. We have to go fix that because now he took out the. We make that like F6. F6 or something. That's like a little close for people. Don't. Don't implant your bugs in there. Is he really going to turn this off? Like, I'm waiting for it to go black because he just did something to it. What's crazy is you walk through the door and you were the nicest guy, and then you said, can I go take a shit? And five minutes later you walk out with Lysol with this, like, you know, Kim Jong Un look thing.

[Matan]

No, I wasn't I was just peeing. But then I looked, I was like, this guy has all these items that I.

[Julian]

That's right. So that if something happens, someone can spray it without being embarrassed. And now they can. If one of your guys takes a shit and it like goes upper decker and all that, they got nothing to clean it up with, thanks to you.

[Matan]

I much prefer they shit all over your bathroom. You think I prefer they make your bathroom smell good. If I could convince them to do it, which I probably could. And you just gave me a great idea.

[Julian]

I thought you were a nice guy.

[Matan]

You should apologize to the Nectar guest show.

[Julian]

I. I hope I'll clean it up before they come.

[Matan]

I'm gonna have them on the floor in the bathroom. That's actually a great prank idea.

[Julian]

So like, did you just sit in your house one day and look for fashion influence and like pull up a bunch of pictures and land on Kim Jong Un and say, you know what, maybe not the hairstyle, but that's the look.

[Matan]

No, you know, I just. I had this suit and you know, I grew up in the projects.

[Julian]

You grew up in the projects?

[Matan]

I don't even know what the projects are, so I can't really continue.

[Julian]

Okay, so that was a lie.

[Matan]

Yeah. Yeah. That line of lying isn't going to get very far. Right? I don't even know where the projects are located or if the projects are just an idea of a poor place, which. Is that what it is?

[Danny]

No, they're.

[Julian]

They're like a real place.

[Matan]

You look like you. You definitely don't know what the projects are.

[Julian]

I did not grow up in the project. So no, I do not like that

[Matan]

you think you're better than me because I didn't grow up or. What am I talking about? Well, where are we?

[Julian]

I think I'm better than you.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Julian]

No, I don't. I invited you here after you asked to. Come on. I already got rid of that coffee.

[Matan]

That's a wasted one.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's already done. It's already it already on it. It's hidden away. I put it in the compartment so you can't get it.

[Matan]

Am I getting close?

[Julian]

You're getting a little too close to the board. And if you wet it, you gotta buy it.

[Matan]

What board? The road caster. Yeah, I don't think that's how road

[Julian]

cast is a pretty penny.

[Matan]

They're like 400 bucks.

[Julian]

No, I don't remember what it is actually. We bought everything all at once last summer, me and Dave.

[Matan]

You took out a loan?

[Julian]

No, but they actually, they ID'd me at B H. They pulled security in. They're like, there's no way this guy is buying.

[Matan]

You bought it at bh?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

You're a fool.

[Julian]

Why am I a fool?

[Matan]

You should have bought it from Amazon and then bought a bunch of broken ones. Or just found broken ones and then returned them to Amazon. No, that's what I did.

[Julian]

That's what you did.

[Matan]

How do you think my production quality got so much better in the last two years?

[Julian]

Kind of shitty. That's the whole point.

[Matan]

You should see how it was at the beginning. The cameras barely even focus.

[Julian]

They were like 360 at the beginning.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah. Now they're 1080. That's good.

[Matan]

Another 1080, at least.

[Julian]

Don't go too far, because that's like the stick. The stick is like. It's, like, far.

[Matan]

Well, I'm not playing a character or doing a shtick, so whatever.

[Julian]

You're not playing a character.

[Matan]

You think I'm playing a character?

[Julian]

I think you're playing a character.

[Matan]

No, I hope you're playing one or you're fucked.

[Julian]

Why am I.

[Matan]

Leave it at that.

[Julian]

You can't just say something like that and leave it at that. If you're gonna insult, I can't. It's intriguing if he asks you the

[Matan]

reason the insult is, like, so obvious to understand that. It's like me continuing forward just makes it less funny. That's. Why did I have to explain that to you? Was that funny? I'll punish your guy over there.

[Julian]

With what? Lysol.

[Danny]

Ah.

[Julian]

He was dirty. He needed it.

[Matan]

Helping you on a show that gets at least a hundred viewers.

[Julian]

At least a hundred. Yeah. Yeah.

[Matan]

What do you.

[Julian]

What are you gonna do with that plunger? I literally just had to use that the other day.

[Matan]

That's not a plunger.

[Julian]

That is a plunger that says something

[Matan]

on the floor I found in the bathroom next to the toilet.

[Julian]

I'll tell you what. Why don't you check out the bottom of that right there?

[Matan]

See if I'm not gonna touch the bottom. Do you think I touched the bottom when I brought it here?

[Julian]

I think it might have. No,

[Matan]

I like that on the floor idea when I go on somebody's show, though. That was great. Do I have to credit you for that?

[Julian]

No, you can credit the Mossad. That's what they do.

[Matan]

You're the Mossad.

[Julian]

I'm not the Mossad, but.

[Matan]

But you're the guy who always is interviewing, like, the crazy, schizophrenic people.

[Julian]

Like, who?

[Matan]

I don't know. Can we pull up?

[Julian]

I don't know. You get. You get guests from me, so I

[Matan]

get guests from you. What does that mean?

[Julian]

It means people are on my show, and then somehow they show up on the Ton show.

[Matan]

You're saying you book me guests?

[Julian]

I'm saying, you know, you're looking at the guest list and you're booking them. I'm not booking them for you. We never talked about booking you a guest.

[Matan]

So what even. Are you implying that I see guests?

[Julian]

I'm just implying that maybe some of the same, like, people that you're implying are schizo. You actually then selfishly bring on your show and claim they're not schizo.

[Matan]

No, no. I'll bring them on my show and then think they're schizo and then make them real crazy.

[Julian]

Make them real crazy.

[Matan]

You're interacting with them like they're normal.

[Julian]

They are normal because they're not schizo.

[Matan]

Anyways, let's move on skating.

[Julian]

You want to move on?

[Matan]

Yeah, we're just talking.

[Julian]

What are you moving on to shampoo now? Is that. Yeah, yeah. That's a Purple heart that was given to me by a World War II veteran.

[Matan]

What?

[Julian]

And he's dead now. He just sprayed on it.

[Matan]

Where's the Purple Heart?

[Julian]

Right there.

[Matan]

Is it purple? Because it's not working anymore. His heart?

[Julian]

No, he earned it in Germany, actually.

[Matan]

Fighting the Germans.

[Julian]

That's right.

[Matan]

Well, him then. Maybe That's a little far.

[Julian]

I was gonna say he's dead.

[Matan]

Are you joking, though? I feel like you're kidding.

[Julian]

I'm not kidding.

[Matan]

Oh, really? He died fighting the Germans?

[Julian]

No, he died earlier this year at age 101, I think.

[Matan]

Why would he give you his purple heart?

[Julian]

It's.

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It.

[Julian]

It's not the actual one. It's.

[Matan]

Okay. Well, now I don't care anymore. That's it. Give you a replica. You have, like, a fake gold piece of. Right there.

[Julian]

Smells good. Now I'll give you.

[Matan]

I have also things from people who died.

[Danny]

Who.

[Julian]

Like what?

[Matan]

Just, like, couches that they left outside their house.

[Julian]

Couch. Did they leave them there, or is that where they lived?

[Matan]

Would they have no use for them? And when you leave a couch outside your house, the general idea is that somebody can come take it.

[Julian]

Die on the couch outside.

[Matan]

How would I know that? What are you talking about?

[Julian]

I don't know.

[Matan]

Maybe. How would I know something like that?

[Julian]

If it's a friend, that happens sometimes, you know, do it.

[Matan]

Well, if it was a friend, I wouldn't have to get the couch from outside the house. I'd go in the house and take what's mine.

[Julian]

So you look for couches on the street. That's.

[Matan]

Sometimes I'll come by them and if the couch looks nice and doesn't have that many bugs on it, I'll take it.

[Julian]

Right, but what makes a couch look nice on the street?

[Matan]

Like, if it looks like I could maybe resell it.

[Julian]

Resell it?

[Matan]

Maybe there's a funny lamp on Amazon.

[Julian]

On Amazon?

[Matan]

Yes.

[Julian]

Don't you have to pass, like, certain standards there with, like, couches to actually be able to sell it? I feel like they don't want musty, like, street couches. No. I'll get you some bad reviews.

[Matan]

Okay, so what? I saw a video where this guy explained. He goes on Amazon, he sells somebody a camera. He doesn't have the camera. He then messages the guy who paid 6,000 bucks for a camera. He says, the camera has been delayed. Sorry about that. You can either cancel the order or I'll give you a 500 gift card while we wait. He then gives him a 500 gift card. He delays it again past 60 days. He gets the money into his account. He's in a different country. He shuts the account down. $6,000 for 500 bucks.

[Julian]

That's what you're trying to do.

[Matan]

And the only guy who loses money is Amazon, because the guy will get his money back from Amazon. That guy just effectively stole six grand from Amazon. Five and a half. Really?

[Julian]

And actually.

[Matan]

Okay, did you hear what I just described? It's beyond morally. Okay. It's like. It's like dancing great. I don't even know how.

[Julian]

Dancing great.

[Matan]

It's amazing.

[Julian]

It's exciting. Yeah.

[Matan]

Imagine the rush you would have after just fleecing Amazon for six grand.

[Julian]

It's like you and. Right out of Jeff Bezos mouth.

[Matan]

Yeah. And he doesn't need it.

[Julian]

He doesn't need it. You're right.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah. But he does need cranes to get furniture into his house. I don't think he's getting the street couches, though.

[Matan]

Exactly. Yeah, well, that's just because he. He has so much money that he now. Oh, wow. Look what happened to his shirt.

[Julian]

Yeah, you ruined. Literally has stains on it.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Pull that in. This was a black shirt.

[Danny]

Can you get that?

[Julian]

You sprayed Lysol on it and now it has stains on it like he pooped himself. Yeah. Yeah. Grab that. Yeah, right there.

[Matan]

Zoom in.

[Danny]

Much more doesn't. Zoom in. No.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Danny]

We're gonna have to. We'll figure it out. I'll go do that.

[Julian]

I hope thief knows the settings.

[Matan]

I feel bad now. I didn't mean to ruin your shirt.

[Julian]

No, it's okay.

[Danny]

It's fine.

[Julian]

But now he my dirty black shirt. So now he can get paid for being here today. Look at that. You solve the problem.

[Matan]

You're gonna buy him a new one.

[Julian]

No, you just said you are. So he's getting paid.

[Matan]

Did that really stain it like that?

[Julian]

Yes. That works. Yes. It's all purpose cleaner. And sometimes the cleaner goes the other way.

[Danny]

It's like a. You know.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's. Yeah. When it comes to cleaning, it's bisexual

[Matan]

himself away from me.

[Danny]

Yeah. I just. Myself on my arms, you know.

[Julian]

That's right.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Matan]

You're an idiot.

[Julian]

He's actually the editor.

[Matan]

How do you even manage to do that, you weirdo?

[Danny]

Yo. I don't know. I. I surprised myself.

[Matan]

You're the editor who does other stuff besides editing, but only gets paid for editing. Sounds like a pretty bad job.

[Julian]

I give him a lot of raises.

[Matan]

How much do you pay him for editing?

[Julian]

Don't worry about it.

[Matan]

I'm worried about it. I'm actually very concerned.

[Julian]

A lot of money.

[Matan]

Well, you.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, he's gonna.

[Matan]

You're only getting a new shirt because I ruined yours.

[Julian]

Does he look like he's missing any meals?

[Matan]

No.

[Julian]

That's right.

[Matan]

You see how many fat homeless people there are?

[Julian]

Well, you got a really skinny crackhead homeless guy out there.

[Matan]

Yeah, they're skinny ones too. But I don't think the concern with homeless people is food. That's why whenever they ask for money for food, they're either lying and they want it for drugs or I just don't care. Because you just don't care.

[Julian]

You just walk right by.

[Matan]

You could go to 711 right now and get two donuts for $2 and a Big Gulp for 59 cents. Right.

[Julian]

So do you.

[Matan]

What is that, like 900 calories for $2.50?

[Julian]

That's right.

[Matan]

Okay. And then realistically, you could just keep refilling the Big Gulp.

[Julian]

That's right. We're the first society, as far as I know. Maybe someone out there can correct me in human history where we have a problem with obesity in, like, the less money you have.

[Matan]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Kind of crazy. You think that's the plan, but you

[Matan]

were saying that is a. Is to represent that you pay him enough, and now you've proven that you don't.

[Julian]

But I know he eats premium foods.

[Matan]

Where's the most expensive food? It's like that healthy from Erawhan. Right.

[Julian]

And that's what he eats a lot.

[Matan]

Clearly, he's not eating that. Clearly he's eating the cheap from McDonald's.

[Julian]

No, he just. He's got big appetite.

[Matan]

You're just eating a ton of healthy food. Yeah.

[Julian]

You have enough of those protein bars, bro. You could be for days and you know, it still stays in your system.

[Matan]

Doesn't look like he's eating protein bars.

[Julian]

He's like, listen, he can. He can throw around some weight.

[Matan]

What did you buy him? What did you bring him? Dunkin Donuts?

[Julian]

No, that's just coffee. There was no food product there.

[Matan]

I'm sure.

[Julian]

Yeah, look, it's coffee now. Has Lysol in it, thanks to you.

[Matan]

Anyways, we'll move on. I don't want to. I don't like doing fat shaming on your producer.

[Julian]

We'll move on. That's okay.

[Matan]

I feel bad. I don't know him well enough to do this. And you're in a position of power

[Julian]

over him and it's uncomfortable enough to spray him with Lysol?

[Danny]

Yes, sir.

[Matan]

Well, I didn't know it was going to ruin his shirt. And by the way, it's even more uncomfortable because you're in a position of power over him. His entire livelihood depends on you. You. Is he going to confront you? He's going to tell you after the show, like, hey, man, I didn't really like that you made fat jokes about me on that show. We did. No, he's gonna pretend it's funny.

[Julian]

Nah, Danny's a sweetheart. He can take it.

[Danny]

Yeah. No, this is great.

[Julian]

That's right.

[Matan]

I feel so bad for this.

[Danny]

He's.

[Julian]

He's. He has produced two podcasts as a fill in stu Finer. And you.

[Matan]

You better start eating better, though, or you're gonna have a purple Heart.

[Danny]

I would be honored. I would be honored to have a purple Heart, you know?

[Matan]

Yeah, you're on the way there. You'll be there soon. You'll be honored soon.

[Danny]

So, like, that it could sit on Julian's desk and, you know, you can just like, spray the liquid onto my purple heart.

[Matan]

There'll be so many people honoring you.

[Danny]

Yeah, I'm sure there will be. I hope so. I hope so.

[Matan]

Yeah. It's like, oh, that's that idiot that wanted the purple Heart. Not even gonna pay my respects.

[Julian]

It's a good way to go out.

[Matan]

No, it's not. It's maybe the worst way to go out.

[Julian]

Why is it the worst way?

[Matan]

Just a fat piece of dying of heart problems. It's the worst. Most Egregious way to go out ever. Completely pathetic.

[Julian]

When did you know you were funny?

[Matan]

I don't believe I'm that funny. I'm not laughing at anything. Well, is that an insult?

[Julian]

No.

[Matan]

You're saying I'm funny or you're laughing, you're laughing at me or anything.

[Julian]

I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing with you, but I'm not laughing. That's it. By the way, it's a sign of intelligence.

[Matan]

Yeah, well, I know, but I'm not laughing. So you're not really laughing with me, right?

[Julian]

Yeah, I'm laughing with the actions that you're taking. I'm not laughing at you.

[Matan]

That kind of means laughing. Yeah. No, but you're laughing.

[Julian]

Laughing at someone is laughing at them for existing in a way that they don't intend to exist.

[Matan]

You're explaining it bad, but I get the general idea, so whatever. I'm not going to pretend that you're explaining it so bad to the point I don't understand. Whatever. I get it. You're not laughing at me. You're laughing at my mad. Me, but in a different way. Whatever.

[Julian]

Right.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Julian]

So you don't think you're funny?

[Matan]

I'm. I just don't view it that way. It's just not my concern.

[Julian]

Was your dream to be a content creator, making people laugh?

[Matan]

No, it just kind of happened. I mean, if you look at, like, where I started, Hong Kong. Well, that's true, but there was a big break after that, and that certainly wasn't.

[Julian]

Do you actually know Bill Clinton?

[Matan]

Do I know him? No, I've never met him, actually.

[Julian]

Why'd you call him as rabbi in front of the international audience?

[Matan]

I've done that. Going over that too many times to do it again. But I'm saying I mentioned. I was referencing that when I said where it started, but you're right to correct me. You have it also written on.

[Julian]

On a mug?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Matan]

Why?

[Julian]

I always write something on the mug before someone comes here. Whatever comes to mind. Huh.

[Matan]

You erase it?

[Julian]

Yeah, it comes right off. Don't even need Lysol. It's right in the sink. Been doing it since.

[Matan]

Kind of like how they're trying to erase all of his good deeds from the history book.

[Julian]

Oh, so you think Jeffrey Epstein did good deeds?

[Danny]

Yes, he did.

[Julian]

What? What made him good?

[Matan]

How many people covered his mouth?

[Julian]

He had trouble not laughing at that.

[Matan]

No, I swear. I'm just scratching my face. I'm not laughing at that at all.

[Julian]

Lysol on your face?

[Matan]

Nobody's a little stuffy now in this room.

[Julian]

Little stuffy in this room.

[Matan]

How many people went to his island?

[Julian]

How it's stuffy, huh? The AC is on 65. I don't know how it's stuffy.

[Matan]

I just sprayed cleaner all over the room.

[Julian]

While you sprayed cleaner all over the room. And maybe you're also dressed like you're gonna fucking invade a country that has a temperature at zero.

[Matan]

I would be interested in invading a country if I had the prospect to do it, especially if the guys were idiots and didn't know how to defend themselves. How can you get mad at somebody for invading somebody else?

[Julian]

What's a good recent invasion that happened? Let's start there.

[Matan]

That's actually a good point. I mean, have there been that many recently?

[Julian]

I mean, there's. There's been a few.

[Matan]

I can only think of, like, two, sort of. One of them is not really an invasion, is kind of just like a mass killing.

[Julian]

Yeah. Where that started with an invading.

[Matan]

It's not really that recent, though. I guess it depends what you mean by recent.

[Julian]

I'm talking the last five, five, six, seven years.

[Matan]

Been a couple.

[Julian]

Big ones.

[Matan]

I'm talking about Israel.

[Julian]

Yeah, I know.

[Matan]

They haven't really been invading them recently. They've just been killing all of the Palestinians, right? Yeah. They already took over the land, like, 80 years ago. I guess the most recent thing that I'd call strictly an invasion would be kind of the Ukraine one. Not really.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's the other one.

[Matan]

Not unlike that one.

[Julian]

That's still happening.

[Matan]

Yeah, but nobody hears about it anymore. We've moved on.

[Julian]

We've moved on. People are dying. Their families can't move on.

[Matan]

I don't want to hear about it anymore.

[Julian]

Why don't you want to hear about it? I'm bored.

[Matan]

I'm bored. I want to.

[Julian]

Bored of people dying on the streets.

[Matan]

Too many of the same people die. You want to move on. You want somebody else? You want some other type of people to die?

[Julian]

What types of people to die?

[Matan]

Not Ukrainians, because we already.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, but they're still dying. You can't just, like, move on mentally and they stop dying. They're still dying.

[Matan]

I've moved on mentally.

[Julian]

You've moved on mentally? Yeah.

[Matan]

I don't even think about it.

[Julian]

You don't think about them at all?

[Matan]

Nope.

[Julian]

It's below your. Below your bar.

[Matan]

I thought about them, and then I was like, oh, is this gonna end soon? Then I was like, holy, this isn't ending soon. And then Trump said he was going to end it in one day, and

[Julian]

then it didn't end and.

[Matan]

No, and then it ended.

[Julian]

It didn't end.

[Matan]

Yes, it did.

[Julian]

Can we pull up casualties in the Ukraine, Russia war over the past two, three months, something like that? Danny, it's very much still happening. People are dying.

[Matan]

No, Trump ended the war.

[Julian]

He did not end the war.

[Matan]

Ended what? On January, probably 8th, 2025.

[Julian]

January. No, no, no. He wasn't in office yet. That's bullshit.

[Matan]

Wasn't that when he got.

[Danny]

No.

[Julian]

What was it he got in office? It was like the 20th or 21st one of those.

[Matan]

So then he ended on that day.

[Julian]

So he ended it. It just went away because he walked into office. But they didn't even fight with Zelensky yet in the Oval Office at that point.

[Matan]

He's reading an article, right?

[Julian]

Yeah. That's what we do here. We got to make sure we have a good source. So just go back. Go. Go back to Google, Danny, and type in the Google AI. How many casualties have happened in Ukraine

[Matan]

in the last three months? To ask Rock as pbd.

[Julian]

To ask Rock,

[Matan]

have the PBD podcast had. In the last six months, how many what casualties have the PBD podcast?

[Julian]

They've had at least one. Yeah, and I think that happened a couple times. So 2. How many casualties have been in the Ukraine war in the past three months? An estimated 100,000 to 110,000 total casualties, which is not just killed, it's also injured and stuff like that. But to you, this doesn't exist. It's not like you just moved on.

[Matan]

Yeah, but Russian military casualties, it says, is a hundred thousand of it.

[Julian]

Yeah, can't really call still people dying.

[Matan]

Civilian. 8,000. That five or eight. 5,000.

[Julian]

5,000. Verified.

[Matan]

Yeah. Yeah, it's. It's. The war has been going on for so long that if I was to still be like, yeah, I want to get riled up about it, those numbers would have to be switched.

[Julian]

Have you thought about going over there to fight?

[Matan]

To fight for who?

[Julian]

I don't know. Pick a side.

[Matan]

Just fight for something I don't even give a about and die.

[Julian]

Maybe not die if you're a good fighter.

[Matan]

So my legacy can be giving an idiot like you a little fake medal to honor me?

[Julian]

Well, he was alive when he gave it to me. He lived.

[Matan]

Okay.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

So my legacy won't even get that far?

[Julian]

No. Well, if you die, I'll be a

[Matan]

complete idiot on the Internet for, like, three weeks until people forget about me. There'll be like, an article this dumbass podcaster went to Russia and died fighting and did nothing. He affected nothing.

[Julian]

Wouldn't affect anything. I feel like that might make a little ripple.

[Matan]

You'd make a ripple among what?

[Julian]

I don't know. The butterfly effect of life?

[Matan]

No, I don't think so. I don't think I'll have that.

[Julian]

No, you don't think. You don't think Putin would be moved that Matan the podcaster died?

[Matan]

I don't think he'd even hear about it.

[Julian]

I think he'd hear about it.

[Matan]

He may hear about it, and if he does, he'll probably just laugh and be like, what an idiot.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

What a waste of his life.

[Julian]

He might do that.

[Matan]

That would be all.

[Julian]

You might be right about that.

[Matan]

Yeah.

[Julian]

But you just forgot it, even though the war still happened, and you just.

[Matan]

Are you constantly thinking about, like, wars that have been going on for half a decade now?

[Julian]

Yeah. All right, well, I don't admit I do.

[Matan]

I don't. And not because I don't care about civilians dying.

[Julian]

But you say you don't care. You move on. I believe your exact words where I don't. I stopped caring.

[Matan]

I stopped.

[Danny]

Like.

[Matan]

I check out. I mean. You know what I mean?

[Julian]

Check out.

[Matan]

I'm still sad, I guess, that civilians are dying, but I'm gonna be concerned every second. I'll be crazy all day, all time.

[Julian]

Yeah. Every second successive. Yeah, I. I agree with that.

[Matan]

Somebody's dying every second.

[Julian]

Yeah. Do you use substances to help you check out, or do you just.

[Matan]

No, I've actually never been intoxicated.

[Julian]

Never.

[Matan]

I'm not joking.

[Julian]

I've never had any alcohol.

[Matan]

Never had any alcohol.

[Julian]

What made you not do that?

[Matan]

Okay, well, for one, I'm 19.

[Julian]

I mean, that never stopped anyone before.

[Matan]

Yeah. Well, I was gonna say, I guess that's a contributing factor, because it's not like. It's a little harder to get it, like, 13 than it is at 18.

[Julian]

What's the drinking age in Israel? Can we check that out?

[Matan]

It's probably, like, seven. Seven for Arabs, 21 for Jews. No, it's actually 18 across the board.

[Julian]

Across the board, it looks like.

[Matan]

Shocker.

[Julian]

Yeah. So you. You're of age there. So when you go visit hq, you don't tie one back.

[Matan]

It would be more grueling process to go fly to Israel to have a beer. Then I could just probably steal one from.

[Julian]

Yeah, but when they call you back for, like, a meeting or, you know, like to go through intelligence and stuff, like, you already got to be there when in Rome or Tel Aviv.

[Matan]

Right. Or doing the stupid. Whatever.

[Julian]

You think it's stupid. Stupid enough to throw that? It's that conditioner.

[Matan]

You tell me.

[Julian]

I don't know. Yeah, it is conditioner.

[Matan]

No, but no, I've never been intoxicated.

[Julian]

It's got. Oh, no, that's Lysol.

[Matan]

I'm very, very anti weed.

[Julian]

Very. What made you anti weed?

[Matan]

That. It makes all these people bums. I'm pro. Other people smoking weed.

[Julian]

Why other people but not you?

[Matan]

Because I don't want to be a senseless bum.

[Julian]

Right. So why are you okay with other people doing that if they become senseless bums?

[Matan]

Because it makes it easier to manipulate them.

[Julian]

Also, can you stop take a. Ripping apart my. My microphone?

[Matan]

No, I cannot.

[Julian]

Why?

[Matan]

Because it's fun and I've had to start asking the question, so.

[Julian]

Yeah, no, that's what happens. We flip it around on you.

[Matan]

Or you just weren't prepared because we only did listen.

[Julian]

There's no way to prepare for you. There's. It's just not, you know, it's a hurricane. I mean, your hair looks like a hurricane. You're on brand the whole way. Yeah, that's. That's not.

[Matan]

I'm kind of using it like a.

[Julian]

What kind of autism is this? Like.

[Matan]

No, I. I'm not autistic. That's actually a big insult. I think those people are either dumb or evil.

[Julian]

You think artists are dumb? You think Elon Musk is dumb?

[Matan]

In some ways, definitely. Yes.

[Julian]

Maybe like socially, but like IQ wise, I feel like he's kind of.

[Matan]

I mean, but like socially, he has the social intelligence of maybe a slightly dumb African Grey parrot.

[Julian]

African gray Parrot from. I. You know what? From a social intelligence standpoint, you might be cooking there.

[Matan]

Okay, so that's my point. So, okay, whenever people ask me, because they always say they think like I'm autistic or whatever, that actually is where I get offended.

[Julian]

You get offended by that?

[Matan]

Pretty. I don't like that.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's pretty big compliment then.

[Matan]

I'm autistic.

[Julian]

Yeah. What sign a high intelligence? Maybe that gray parrot for like social intelligence. But you seem to be doing okay.

[Matan]

I don't. I don't know if autistic people on average are higher intelligence.

[Julian]

Depends on where. It depends where they are on the spectrum.

[Matan]

Jamie, can you look that up?

[Julian]

Jamie? His name's Danny. Yeah, and actually, if you listen.

[Matan]

Are autistic people smarter?

[Julian]

Yes, you're gonna look that up.

[Matan]

Are autistic people smarter? And what's their fascination with ripping apart Small bugs when they are children, Right?

[Julian]

Ripping apart small bugs?

[Danny]

Yes.

[Julian]

You ripped apart my microphone.

[Matan]

Yeah, but this isn't a living being.

[Julian]

What if it is and we just haven't gotten that higher power of consciousness yet?

[Matan]

Okay, well then that wouldn't reflect anything on me because I didn't know it, you dumb idiot.

[Julian]

Didn't know it at the time.

[Matan]

Autism does not dictate a person's intelligence. Autistic people display the full spectrum of cognitive.

[Julian]

That's right. So it depends. That's why I said it depends where you are on the spectrum.

[Matan]

All right, what's the point about the small bugs? Go down?

[Danny]

Yeah, sure.

[Julian]

Okay, this is.

[Danny]

This is the end of the page.

[Julian]

The behavior is not meant to be malicious or cruel. For many is simply a hyper.

[Matan]

It just has to say that it's definitely meant to be malicious and cruel.

[Julian]

You think so?

[Matan]

Look how powerful I am. Look at all the organs in this small worm and this rat that I ripped apart. Maybe I'm by the way, a four year old. I should be sent to a room for my life.

[Julian]

Have you ever killed something living?

[Matan]

Yes. Small bugs when I was a kid, I used to rip them apart. I used to show them to people. I'd say, look how powerful I am.

[Julian]

Right?

[Matan]

This is the sign of a normal person, not an upand cominging serial killer and rapist.

[Julian]

Right? I wasn't accusing you of that though.

[Matan]

I'm accusing that of the people who do this to bugs.

[Julian]

But you just said you did that.

[Matan]

Well, that was a joke, you idiot. Maybe you're autistic or something.

[Julian]

Might have been nicked. You never know. I feel like a lot of us get nicked these days.

[Danny]

What?

[Julian]

What are you reading?

[Matan]

Autistic individuals can enter a state of deep focus when studying intricate small scale details. You see, that's exactly what I mean. They're trying to like figure out why the bug is like that, right? Why do we need to know that? We already know. They need to know that.

[Julian]

If you know what small life looks like, maybe it can affect large life in the future. I don't know. I didn't rip apart bugs when I was go.

[Matan]

Look, I don't know if you can find it. I don't know what the year was, but if there's like videos of Jeffrey Dmer and Charles Manson, etc. Etc. Like talking, I'm sure you would not come to the conclusion that they weren't autistic.

[Julian]

That wouldn't be an out though, to do what they did. That's a. That's not. That's.

[Matan]

That's why I'm saying autistic people are evil. You think it stops. You think it stops its small bugs. Did you not get where I was going with that?

[Julian]

I mean, I see where you're going now, but that's like a really dark thought.

[Matan]

Matan, what do you think is like the common association with people who kill animals when they're young? It's obviously that they're much more likely to become serial killers. And if even Google will try to make it sound all nice and say that autistic people are hyper focused and want to kill small bugs and rip them apart, then there you go.

[Julian]

Have you ever talked with a serial killer?

[Matan]

Probably not that I would know of. Right, right.

[Julian]

Well, I don't know if you, like, visit a prison and do the whole psychological thing. Feel like you'd be into that.

[Matan]

No, that seems like a waste of time. I don't think we should do prison systems. I think if somebody gets a long enough sentence regardless of what they did, we should just kill them and save some money and not do it in a way that's nice, because not doing

[Julian]

it in a way that's nice.

[Matan]

Way too much money to do the electric chair.

[Julian]

Right.

[Matan]

I think we should just hang them.

[Julian]

Just quick little. Yeah.

[Matan]

Or just like hire one really, really strong fighter who can just snap them like that. Yeah. I feel like it costs money that

[Julian]

would cost, you know, cost some money.

[Matan]

It would cost some money, but it would be probably less money to pay that guy per year than it would to do one electric chair.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

What is he doing now? Where are you going?

[Julian]

I. That's my secret to know. And you did not find out. He's just keep it. He's just here to keep you off balance. That's what he's here to do, you know?

[Danny]

Okay.

[Julian]

Are you comfortable?

[Matan]

I am completely comfortable. I'm dominating you in your own home.

[Danny]

Good.

[Julian]

That's fine. That's what I brought you here to do. Maybe I'm into that.

[Matan]

That sounds a little gay. I just want to clarify.

[Julian]

Hard pause. Just when did you find out you were gay? Owned me, huh?

[Matan]

No, I'm not.

[Julian]

You're not?

[Matan]

No.

[Julian]

So you do like women?

[Matan]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I wouldn't have pegged that for you.

[Matan]

You think I would be gay?

[Julian]

Yeah, I kind of thought so.

[Matan]

Interesting. After all the horrid things I said. Yeah, I guess that does coincide with gay.

[Julian]

Sort of sometimes. Depends. It depends. I've seen. I've seen projection before. I've seen projection before.

[Matan]

Projecting and I Like to kill bugs.

[Julian]

But I didn't say you were trans. Yeah, that's kind of. I think that's.

[Matan]

Different trends.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

Interesting. What else? What are some other topics? I feel like we've ran Our. Our thing with me saying really despicable things about autistic people.

[Julian]

Yeah, that. You know, we kind of got that.

[Matan]

That's. And I'm not even joking, by the way. What I'm saying is, like, probably actually just objectively true. I think people like killing small animals when they're young. That's just a trait that everybody knows coincides with killing people. Go look at a video of the serial killers. They're clear visually impaired otherwise.

[Julian]

Does that mean they're autistic, or are you just assuming that?

[Matan]

I was just guessing. Obvious. It's pretty obvious.

[Julian]

It's pretty obvious to you. What if it's another type of disorder that just shows itself in similar manifestations? I'm gonna need those later, by the way. So it's not.

[Matan]

Well, then you'll have to pay your. You'll have to send. Did I. What?

[Julian]

Okay. Yeah, just gotta make sure.

[Matan]

Can I bend it?

[Julian]

No, no, don't do that. Don't do that. I actually need that. I really need that.

[Matan]

Bendable.

[Julian]

Yeah. It's not bendable. Well, it is.

[Matan]

You're just not really needed. Right.

[Julian]

You don't really hit the gym much.

[Matan]

You could just buy another. Sure. Mic, steal those pieces and return it, and they would never know.

[Julian]

Yeah, they would never know. But, like, that mic is special to me. Yeah, a lot has happened on that mic.

[Matan]

You don't ever switch your mic.

[Julian]

Not that one.

[Matan]

Okay.

[Julian]

This one's been switched a couple times because, you know, I'm a little clumsy. But the guests are always better until you.

[Matan]

It's the first time something like this happened.

[Julian]

It's the first time.

[Matan]

All the Italian gangsters who pretend that they're not answers anymore.

[Julian]

Very respectful.

[Matan]

And also pretend that they're way, way cooler and more dangerous than they are. Don't usually rip apart your mic.

[Julian]

Most of them that come on podcasts are that way. You're right.

[Danny]

It.

[Julian]

Yeah, there's a lot of, like, fake lore, for sure.

[Matan]

Yes.

[Julian]

There's. Most of them are rats. I've had one guy that. That was not a rat.

[Matan]

So then how did he do your show?

[Julian]

Because he did his time and he left.

[Matan]

Interesting. Did you pay him?

[Julian]

No, I've never paid a guest in my life.

[Danny]

Interesting.

[Julian]

And I've never accepted money for someone to come on either.

[Matan]

Oh, people try to pay you to come on.

[Julian]

I've had people offer that I will not do that. It has to work both ways.

[Matan]

I don't really get that offer on my show. I think that it makes more sense for people to try to pay to get on yours because I feel like your audience is the type of people looking for answers to questions that don't exist.

[Julian]

And those are questions that don't exist. Well, clearly someone's asking them.

[Matan]

No, no, They're.

[Julian]

They're.

[Matan]

They're even looking for questions. Sometimes they're just looking for something. They're bored and they're on welfare and they need something to think about, so

[Julian]

they listen to Julian Dory podcast.

[Matan]

Yep.

[Julian]

You did some audience recognizance on me before you came here.

[Matan]

I'm just guessing based off your show and based off your. Your way of speaking and, you know.

[Julian]

My way of speaking?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So you think I'm retarded?

[Matan]

You could say that.

[Julian]

What led you to think I'm retarded?

[Matan]

Your way of speaking?

[Julian]

My. Just. Just that. Nothing else.

[Matan]

Those glasses contributed to it. It's like a douchebag. You know, you're not really.

[Julian]

That was kind of the idea. I didn't put them on until you sprayed Lysol on my table. Then I put them on.

[Matan]

Yeah, I know that you did that on purpose.

[Julian]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Matan]

Yeah, exactly. Even more of a douchebag.

[Julian]

You threw me off balance.

[Matan]

And you got back on balance by

[Julian]

seeing a little worse to rebalance it. You can't.

[Matan]

You're just coping. You're trying to make it seem like you're in control of the situation, but you're not.

[Julian]

I'm not in control of the situation. You've been in control since you got here.

[Matan]

Then don't pretend that those glasses have changed anything.

[Julian]

They've only changed the dynamic of you not understanding where I stand. Now, see, we gotta find that later. I'm gonna need that.

[Matan]

Tell me which hand it's in.

[Danny]

Him.

[Julian]

Your right hand.

[Matan]

All right.

[Julian]

I heard where that goes. I have an idea. We'll be able to get it.

[Matan]

I'll make this one much harder.

[Julian]

Okay, I. I saw where that landed. That's all right. That's going to be difficult to get.

[Matan]

That'll be good.

[Julian]

That one.

[Matan]

That was a good one. That was a good play on my end.

[Julian]

I'm going to have to. Have to stand on the table to get that.

[Matan]

That's a good play.

[Julian]

That was a good play, I'll give you that. That's a hard, good heart. I didn't see that. In you? Yeah. Anyways, I didn't see that kind of strength.

[Matan]

Any other topics?

[Julian]

Yeah. I also thought you were going to be way shorter, I'll give you that.

[Matan]

Really? People say that to me all the time. They think I'm short.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

No, I'm like five foot. Maybe like nine. Almost 10.

[Julian]

Maybe close to 11.

[Matan]

No, no, no. Now you just want to be taller than you are. Maybe I'm like five, eight and a half tall.

[Julian]

I'm not trying to be tall.

[Matan]

Am I taller than you? I don't know.

[Julian]

No.

[Matan]

No, I'm not.

[Julian]

No.

[Matan]

I don't remember standing next to you.

[Julian]

No, I did. I did stand next to you.

[Matan]

And we were.

[Julian]

I bent over a little bit. A little bit. And you were like right there.

[Matan]

Okay.

[Julian]

So it felt like 5, 10, 5, 11.

[Matan]

Because you want to say you're 6 foot.

[Julian]

No, I'm 6 foot one flat. No, I. I am.

[Matan]

Okay.

[Danny]

What?

[Matan]

Whatever. We have some better topics. And you lying about your height because.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

You feel emasculated.

[Julian]

Yeah. Do you want more water?

[Matan]

It may be in a bottle form.

[Julian]

In a bottle form? Why would you want to drink out of plastic? Just to give yourself cancer.

[Matan]

That's correct. You gotta go someday.

[Julian]

You're trying to get cancer.

[Matan]

I'm not trying to avoid it.

[Julian]

You're not trying to live forever? No. You haven't had on Brian Johnson on your show.

[Matan]

I think it's gonna. And this sounds real mean, but I think it'll be really funny when he gets in a car crash one day and his entire head explodes. Explodes. All for nothing.

[Julian]

What if they can bring him back by that point?

[Matan]

Yeah. Well, then they probably could have brought him back if he was dying due to microplastics, Right?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

So then it was all for nothing anyways. What does he do? Doesn't he drink his son's blood?

[Julian]

That part's a little weird.

[Matan]

He's kind of just like a freak show clown.

[Julian]

Tell us how you really feel about him.

[Matan]

I just said it. I know, but I do respect him.

[Julian]

You respect them?

[Matan]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Why do you respect him?

[Matan]

Because he's a crazy fool. And those guys are usually very interesting and funny to talk to.

[Julian]

So you respect them for the ideas that you could have him on your show and it would be good. Content.

[Matan]

I'm just trying to not completely exit out the idea and possibility of him coming on my show. I think I just went too far with the head exploding.

[Julian]

That's all right.

[Matan]

And I think I just wiped out a guess for myself.

[Julian]

It's satire. I'll bet he'll come on after that. He'll see that.

[Matan]

You think it'll help?

[Julian]

I think it might help.

[Matan]

I think I'll send him a message. Brian Johnson, you'll be dead soon.

[Julian]

Okay. What? What do you think? What did you think of his response to the Epstein files and being in them?

[Matan]

Rian Johnson?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

Was that true?

[Julian]

Yeah, I actually think he's. He's one of the people. It's. It really was innocent. I do believe that.

[Matan]

Are you joking or you're serious? He was in the Epstein files in

[Julian]

one email where he was then agreed to meet on a zoom with Jeffrey Epstein in 2017.

[Matan]

Innocent.

[Julian]

He did address it. He did address it and I actually, actually believed him.

[Matan]

Yeah, yeah, I see how he addressed it.

[Julian]

Yeah. Go to Brian Johnson Epstein email. He was a little way too over apologetic about it, like to the point of exaggeration.

[Matan]

It was in an Epstein email and he zoomed with him.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

So why didn't he mention that before it got.

[Julian]

That's the one thing. I agree. That's a great question.

[Matan]

And I know you were joking the whole time about me knowing Epstein, but I swear, if I wasn't joking, had met him. Well, then you're an idiot.

[Julian]

Why am I an idiot? You thought Palm Beach Pete was Epstein.

[Matan]

I think he is Epstein.

[Julian]

He's not Epstein.

[Matan]

Okay, well, if I had met Epstein, I would be bragging about it.

[Julian]

You'd be bragging?

[Matan]

If I could confirm it was and not through Palm Beach Pete.

[Julian]

Why would you be bragging about it?

[Matan]

Because that's awesome.

[Julian]

Why is it awesome?

[Matan]

Anything to do with Epstein is awesome. He's a cultural icon.

[Julian]

It's a cultural. So you think he's a good guy?

[Matan]

Dude, I see people in the streets wearing shirts of him, of his face.

[Julian]

I mean, people wear shirts at Che Guevara.

[Matan]

And to give context, they're wearing that because they're homeless. And I gave it to them and I told them to put it on. They weren't just doing it, but I'm starting the movement.

[Julian]

What was the island like?

[Matan]

I wish I had went.

[Danny]

Truly.

[Matan]

You wish you'd went to just see it? It's like a historical place. No, hopefully not to be raped by a bunch of older guys. That sounds like the worst thing that could happen. Awful.

[Julian]

It just seems like me, I don't

[Matan]

know, I would just want to see the idol. It's like when you go to see like that for that, that painting, the Mona Lisa, when you see the Coliseum, he's like, here's some stupid Artistic bullshit that actually had no effect. And here's where all the powerful people gather to secretly be pedophiles. I want to see what that looks like.

[Julian]

The Mona Lisa. Hold on a second. You think the Mona Lisa and Coliseum are artistic? That have no effect?

[Matan]

The Coliseum was cool. They would have.

[Julian]

Yeah, they fight it out to the death.

[Matan]

That's when we didn't have empathy as. As people for autistic people. These people who couldn't interact in society would give them a spear and we would tell them they have to rip off a bull's head, knowing damn well that that is the opposite of what was going to happen. Well, I would like to have you on my show.

[Julian]

All right, Brian.

[Matan]

Mr. Johnson.

[Julian]

Yes, Mr. Johnson.

[Matan]

Fake name.

[Julian]

Well, if you call him Mr. Johnson the whole time, he'll do it. Will you call him Mr. Johnson?

[Matan]

I probably would have done that if he had asked me not to. Right.

[Julian]

What would your approach with him be? Would you open up with this?

[Matan]

I didn't even know about this. This is, like, not particularly shocking, but it's interesting. How did he get his money, by the way, to start stealing his son's blood?

[Julian]

What was it, Danny? It was like a payments company or did I just make that up? Can we Google how did Brian Johnson get rich?

[Matan]

I will say, by the way, the idea of taking nutrients from your son.

[Julian]

It's crazy. Yeah.

[Matan]

To give to yourself is pretty awesome.

[Julian]

You. Oh, you think it's awesome?

[Matan]

I mean, most people, they are always these parents, you know, always say, like, oh, you know, I love my kid more than anything. This guy is stealing from his kid to live longer. And it probably won't even make him live any longer. It's just going to ruin his son's life because everybody's like, holy shit, are you the guy. Who is that dad who's stealing your blood?

[Julian]

Well, it's not stealing if he agrees to it.

[Matan]

Crazy family of nuts.

[Julian]

Isn't he giving his blood to his. To his own dad, too? Or did I make that up? Yeah, it's like the blood brother or bloodline or something like that. Yeah. All right, so Brian Johnson made the bulk of his fortune in 2013 by selling his fintech company Braintree to PayPal for 800 million in cash. He did. In cash. It's. Yeah. No, he's. He's pretty loaded. He's pretty. In cash. I feel like that's how you would want to do a deal. In cash. That's how I would want to do a deal.

[Matan]

I mean, if I could get more Money.

[Julian]

Right.

[Matan]

In a similar amount of period where like, it's more when you count how you could have invested in. With inflation. I would take. Not in cash, but not. It's preferable to take it in cash if it's the same thing. Regardless.

[Julian]

Yes. What would you do with $800 million? Well, 400 after taxes.

[Matan]

I would probably buy an island.

[Julian]

An island? Where? Any place specifically.

[Matan]

I would buy that island and then I would open it as like a. A tour, a museum.

[Julian]

It already got bought, though. And they actually are already turning it into a resort. Did you hear about this? Could we Google Epstein island being turned into a resort? I know, I know. They took your idea. Yeah. Was that your idea or Jeff's? Because he wanted to pass it down in the family.

[Matan]

It was Pete's.

[Julian]

It was Pete's. So his name's Pete now? He's not Jeffrey Epstein?

[Matan]

That's his nickname.

[Julian]

That's his nickname. Okay. Yeah. Jeffrey Epstein's former Caribbean Properties, Little St. James and Great St. James were purchased in May 2023 for 60 milli. See, you could have done it by billionaire Steven Deckhoff. Deckhoff originally announced intentions to transform the locations into a luxury resort. Oh, look at this. No major construction or development has been reported, though the islands currently remain in a state of limbo with no active resort or confirmed plans for the site. Matan, you should go do. You should go break onto that island with Tyler Oliveira and do one of your podcasts without the tent, just like right outside the temple. I think that would be awesome.

[Matan]

I would immediately get her. I've seen the videos of the guy sneaking onto the island. They just get arrested or kicked off immediately.

[Julian]

Not if you bring a lot of.

[Matan]

Can you imagine one of the worst. Like, isn't it like next to all those islands with like those immigrants?

[Julian]

Probably.

[Matan]

I guess they're not immigrants of their own islands, but you know what I mean.

[Julian]

I don't know what you mean.

[Matan]

There's certainly.

[Julian]

I was just going with it.

[Matan]

Isn't it next to the islands with the people, they're like kind of animalistic and.

[Julian]

Oh, you went from immigrants to animalistic to their non immigrants to their animalistic.

[Matan]

You just made it more complicated than it is.

[Julian]

That's right.

[Matan]

I can't imagine a worse place to be in jail than there. So I'm not going to take that risk. I would tell you to go to a luxury resort, though. That would be awesome.

[Julian]

Well, imagine how they're not building it.

[Matan]

Yeah, well, imagine if he built like a big resort all in the style of that house.

[Julian]

In this. In. In the house in New York or the temple house?

[Matan]

The temple house.

[Julian]

The temple house.

[Matan]

Everybody gets a little. Everybody. You can rent a little like that. That would be so like. Okay, I'm not even joking. Would you, wouldn't you go there?

[Julian]

No.

[Matan]

What?

[Julian]

No.

[Matan]

Why?

[Julian]

I mean, I've had someone sitting in that seat who was a victim on that island. So I feel like the, the spirits just in general, Even if I hadn't experienced that, hearing that story firsthand would have been bad enough to me be like, yeah, I think I'll go to any other island in the world, but

[Matan]

that I want to go to that island, that I want to go to that one in a house that looks like the place where the bad stuff probably happened. But you know, we don't know that for sure.

[Julian]

Well, we don't. We don't know that.

[Matan]

But we don't know exactly if it was on that house, do we? Or is that confirmed?

[Julian]

Well, some of what may just seems very like there is not confirmed, but like that any bad things happen in there? Some of that's confirmed. Yeah.

[Matan]

Oh, yeah, it was on the house specifically.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Julian]

There were people assaulted in there. Yeah.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Julian]

Yeah. You could do a podcast right outside it though, with Brian Johnson and talk about if he knew him or not.

[Matan]

He's gonna go, I did not know him. I did not know. He's just. Now he's gonna keep repeating himself because he's like probably severely autistic.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Julian]

What about the, the one in New York? You ever been there?

[Matan]

No, actually, I haven't, but I can take you. Where is it? Is it in Manhattan?

[Julian]

It is on East 71st Street.

[Matan]

What's, what's that close to relative? Because I'm not good with like New York directions.

[Julian]

Aren't you here all the time?

[Matan]

I come here often, but I mean,

[Julian]

you just don't look outside and what street you're on.

[Matan]

Well, I usually like, I was probably from where I'm staying like a 30 minute train ride away, but I don't really. I just get on trains. Right. So if you get off, just directionlessly and then I'll just get off and if I'm in the wrong place, I'll do it. So I actually, this was like a three hour journey for me.

[Julian]

No, if you get off at Penn Station, which is where Madison Square Garden is, and you're on roughly 32nd, 33rd street and you just walk up to 60th at the park, you make a right.

[Matan]

You have to walk 30 streets.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's it's like 26. They're half blocks that way. And then you make a right, go to the corner of the park, make your first left right there, and then walk down to where it says 70 first half blocks.

[Danny]

Very easy.

[Matan]

And how long is this walk from this? Penn Station?

[Julian]

Well, who's walking? Am I walking? Sure. Okay, then it's a lot faster. If you're with me, you're gonna have trouble keeping up. But if you're walking with like Danny here or something like that, it might

[Matan]

be a couple day journey.

[Julian]

No, 90 minutes.

[Matan]

And with you probably about 55. Why don't you just take a train that's closer to this place?

[Julian]

Because it's a lot of work. You know, I don't. I don't like taking the train in New York City. I like walking in New York City.

[Matan]

Okay, well, now you're just an idiot.

[Julian]

I'm not an idiot. It's good exercise. Good for longevity.

[Matan]

A 90 minute walk.

[Julian]

Well, no, it's like 55 with me.

[Matan]

It's really an hour 10 or 110. I'm gonna go back.

[Julian]

Oh, on the. On the round trip? Yeah. I didn't say we were walking back.

[Matan]

So what's the solution then?

[Julian]

I don't know. Maybe we'll teleport.

[Matan]

See, now you have no answer. So now you're just saying because you're an idiot.

[Julian]

No, you've been thought about that because you're an idiot all day.

[Matan]

But I know that I'm saying you're

[Julian]

the one spraying Lysol.

[Matan]

Well, that was calculated to make his

[Julian]

shirt look like he himself.

[Matan]

That wasn't calculated, but it came out pretty awesome.

[Julian]

It did come out pretty awesome. I agree. We may frame that shirt afterwards.

[Matan]

Will you frame it?

[Danny]

I'll frame it, yeah. I'll frame it.

[Julian]

Yeah. What's your opinion on the moon? You think we went.

[Matan]

I think the moon is the same size as the sun and it's only 25 miles up.

[Julian]

All right, hold on. What?

[Matan]

That's what the guy on my show told me, and he was. I believe him.

[Julian]

It's only 25 miles up, but it's the same size as the sun, which

[Matan]

is also only 25 miles up.

[Julian]

No, the sun's a lot farther than that. Oh, look at you. You were lecturing me about distracting you with texting.

[Matan]

Yeah, because you come off like a guy who would want to be perceived as respectful.

[Julian]

I come off as a guy who'd want to be perceived as respectful. I never thought of it that way.

[Matan]

I'm clearly not that. That way.

[Julian]

Right. So you're okay being a dick.

[Matan]

I mean, I'm not trying to be an.

[Julian]

I mean, I see you're just obfuscating here because you're not answering my question.

[Matan]

What's that? What was the question?

[Julian]

If we went to the moon and you just told me something about the sun and the size and everything.

[Matan]

What's that? Joe Rogan. Guess where they said if they got into it, they would be in danger. I think that's the position I'm in.

[Julian]

I think that was Elon Musk that said that, right?

[Matan]

No, no, it was like a. No, it was. It was like. I don't think it was even a particularly famous guy. Look it up.

[Julian]

The guy who hacked. Who does the search engine on Google?

[Matan]

I don't remember, but I remember seeing that clip all the time.

[Julian]

Who told Joe Rogan.

[Matan]

Is it true that like every time Joe Rogan has on, like a crazy, like a type of schizophrenic guest, it come. It like expands your potential ceiling for how big your show can get?

[Julian]

I think it depends on the guest.

[Danny]

So.

[Julian]

All right, so who told Joe Rogan he would be in danger? He would be in danger if he spoke about something publicly?

[Danny]

I don't know.

[Julian]

We'll see if that. Let's see what Google AI can do. Joe Rogan stunned his podcast guest refuses to answer a mushroom related question. Oh, Paul Stamets was. Yeah, let's hit it.

[Danny]

I didn't.

[Julian]

I don't know.

[Matan]

He sells. He got famous from selling stamps. Did you know that?

[Julian]

From selling stems.

[Matan]

Stamps. Stamps.

[Julian]

Stamps, yeah. Paul Stamets. Yeah, I see what you're doing there. Okay. Joe Rogan was left stunned during an episode of the Joe Rogan Experience when guest Paul Stamets refused to answer a question claiming it could put his life in danger. All right, what was the question? All right, let's go down. Let's go down.

[Matan]

The question. Are you Paul Stampitz?

[Julian]

During the com. During the conversation, Rogan asked Stamets, what are the benefits or the negative effects of visibly. Yeah, go ahead.

[Matan]

I was just trying to interrupt you and confuse.

[Julian]

Okay. A question that approved to ref. To reference Portobello.

[Matan]

Now you're tripping up on your words. However, you're having a harder time reading,

[Julian]

saying, this is an explosive area of conversation and puts my life in danger, so I reserve the right not to answer a question. Rogan appeared visibly surprised by the statement, responding, whoa, didn't expect that. It puts your life in danger. Talking about Portobello mushrooms. He's looking.

[Matan]

Are you reading it now? Just to read it? To prove you can read it? Because I said you were having a hard time reading it.

[Julian]

I'm answering.

[Matan]

Are you even. Do you even know what you're reading? I feel like the information is going not even into one ear. It's hitting the side of your head.

[Julian]

My brain. And I'm saying it to people.

[Matan]

What the hell are you even talking about now? We're just talking about nothing. About complete nothing we're arguing about.

[Julian]

Explain. It's going into the people.

[Matan]

Complete argument on a pride. It's like two birds yelling at each other.

[Julian]

That's why we used to wear headphones. Episodes like this, you know? But, yeah. No, you were right. His life was in danger of her mushrooms. Pound it, baby. You do have a good. You got a good punch. I didn't expect that on you.

[Matan]

No, see, it's like the height thing.

[Julian]

I didn't expect that either. But I'm saying, even once I saw

[Matan]

the actual thing, people just think I'm like, I guess, physically so unintimidating. Not that I'm particularly physically intimidating, but.

[Julian]

You don't like wood very much, do you?

[Matan]

Wood?

[Julian]

Yeah. You got a problem with wood?

[Matan]

Wood either.

[Julian]

Yeah. It's not good for wood. I put sealant on it. I have an idea the Lysol is not good for wood either.

[Matan]

What about water and Lysol?

[Julian]

It's. I mean, it's not.

[Matan]

You're gonna have to fly that guy out from Florida real soon again.

[Julian]

Danny's a big fan of yours, but I feel like he's not going to be very happy.

[Matan]

He's. Danny.

[Julian]

No, not that Danny. Danny Jones.

[Matan]

Jamie, go.

[Julian]

Go under the table. You can see it.

[Matan]

It's like a weird Epstein trick.

[Julian]

It's not a weird Epstein trick. I got pants on. I'll stand up. I'm good.

[Matan]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. That was real.

[Julian]

Go under the table right here.

[Matan]

You know, keep your distance.

[Julian]

You can go under the table and you'll see it.

[Matan]

Do you think I'm gonna go under the fucking table, you weird creep?

[Julian]

I told you to go under the table.

[Matan]

Well, you have no pressure over anybody. Maybe if you really wore that retired skateboarder fighter, I would go under the table.

[Julian]

You don't want to fuck around and find out with you.

[Matan]

I feel like you probably have guns. You strike me as a guy.

[Julian]

I wouldn't tell you if I did

[Matan]

or probably has a bunch of illegal shotguns.

[Julian]

I would definitely do it legally if I had them in here.

[Matan]

You would say that. Obviously, on a podcast.

[Julian]

No, no, I would say that privately, too. I would definitely do it legally.

[Danny]

Interesting.

[Julian]

Yes. There's a process there, but there's no reason to not do it legally. Do you own guns?

[Matan]

Can I own guns?

[Julian]

Do you own guns? Not can you? I was already giving you credit for being able to.

[Matan]

I get it. No, I don't. Not yet.

[Julian]

Okay. All right. Do you plan to.

[Matan]

I'm sure, at some point. Right, right. But I live in la, so I'm. I think it's very strict there.

[Julian]

I've heard that. I don't know the full process, but I've heard it's very.

[Matan]

I'm not sure of the process either.

[Julian]

Does your security have guns?

[Matan]

Security?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Matan]

You saw me with security?

[Julian]

Yeah, the three guys out there.

[Matan]

The stupid homeless crackhead.

[Julian]

That's right.

[Matan]

The cameraman that's following me around that I told not to sit in here.

[Julian]

You told him not to sit in here? I told him he could sit in here.

[Matan]

Well, I told him not.

[Julian]

Why'd you tell him not to?

[Matan]

Because. Why would he sit in here?

[Julian]

I don't know. He could add something to the audience. I have no idea.

[Matan]

All right, well, just to expedite the conversation, I don't have security.

[Julian]

Have you thought about getting it?

[Matan]

No, not really.

[Julian]

A big target on your back and a big head. That's a big target.

[Matan]

I actually

[Danny]

don't.

[Matan]

I just don't go in public that often, so I'm not. I'm usually able to not have to be concerned with that. And when I do, I'll just put on a hat.

[Julian]

You do. I was going to ask you that. So you do wear hats sometimes in public?

[Matan]

Yeah, I mean, preferably. I feel like this is a pretty recognizable.

[Julian]

Yeah, there's a fat. There's a hat that fits on that head.

[Matan]

A beanie.

[Julian]

Oh, so it comes all that. Is it, like, in your face?

[Matan]

No, it'll go to the back or put a hoodie on. People usually don't.

[Julian]

Sunglasses?

[Matan]

No, I feel like that's too far now. It's, like, kind of giving it away.

[Julian]

It's giving it away.

[Matan]

Then you start looking suspicious. You have a hat, a beanie on, and sunglasses.

[Julian]

I mean, that's what Leonardo DiCaprio does. I don't think he looks suspicious.

[Matan]

Well, he's just doing that because he doesn't want the paparazzi to get good photos, I think not to hide when he's, like, walking.

[Julian]

I mean, he hides pretty well. They don't get. They get him, but not as much as you Would think.

[Matan]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I don't think he's paying him off to not get him all the time.

[Matan]

But no, I don't know. I don't think I would need security because even when I walk around like this and I do get recognized a lot, it's usually good interactions. Almost entirely good. I don't know if I've had a bad one.

[Julian]

Right. Were you wearing sunglasses on 9 11?

[Matan]

Sunglasses? Why? What's the joke there or the reference? I just.

[Julian]

I want to know where you were on 9 11.

[Matan]

I was six years away from being born.

[Julian]

That's what I would say, too. I would lie about my birth year.

[Matan]

I mean, you know, But I wouldn't, though, because I would have liked to be around for 9 11.

[Julian]

You would have liked to be around, like, to what? A witness, like in a. In a. What's the context there? A good way, bad way. I mean, New York rooting against it,

[Matan]

to witness it in general.

[Julian]

Just to witness it.

[Matan]

I'm not gonna root for it to happen. Root for 911 to happen.

[Julian]

Good, good, good.

[Matan]

Why would you say. I think I would say that.

[Julian]

I don't know. It seemed like you were going there.

[Matan]

No, I would have just liked to witness that.

[Julian]

Just to, like, be able to take it in.

[Matan]

You don't think that every single person who was physically witnessing the planes flying to the buildings doesn't tell that to people all the time?

[Julian]

There are people who refuse to talk about it that did that.

[Matan]

Yeah, they refused to talk about it.

[Julian]

Refused to talk about it.

[Matan]

Why?

[Julian]

Because it was so traumatic for them.

[Matan]

I'm not talking about people who saw, like, dead people, you know.

[Julian]

Well, a lot of those people did see both.

[Matan]

Yeah, well, that's. That obviously would be traumatic. I'm saying, like, let's say you were like, you know, five miles away. You just saw the plane go into the building. I'm sure they talk about that shit all the time, right? Let's say you were dancing or something. I'm sure they were.

[Danny]

They knew.

[Julian]

You still haven't answered my question either, about, like, the Kim Jong Un. Get up. Where'd this come from?

[Matan]

Well, it's just the only suit I have.

[Julian]

It's the only one you own?

[Matan]

Yeah. So why get another one?

[Julian]

I kind of like that logic. That's. That is smart logic. Because it. Does it ever, like, smell? Because you wear it too many days in a row, especially in hot places.

[Matan]

Yeah, but then nobody will want to steal it, right?

[Julian]

But people won't want to be around you. It's like, you know, Some of those, yeah.

[Matan]

But that's. That's. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

[Julian]

People around you. You like being alone?

[Matan]

No, I'm not, like, particularly like that. It just sometimes if I. I guess it would be preferable, depending on the day and the situation and what I'm doing. I feel like I didn't even need to have to explain that. But you're so far behind that I think I'm ahead. No, you're not even on that dumb level.

[Julian]

I'm not on that dumb level. I'm, like, below that.

[Matan]

Yeah, you're just far behind.

[Julian]

Okay, well, my bladder's behind. I gotta take a piss, so we're gonna take a break real quick.

[Matan]

Are we done or what?

[Julian]

No, we're gonna continue. Absolutely.

[Matan]

Okay.

[Julian]

I have a lot of questions for you.

[Matan]

All right.

[Julian]

I don't know who sent you. Just a reminder. This is the bathroom break part. It's about two or three minutes, and I'm leaving it in because it was really funny. All right, we'll be right back. Good job so far.

[Matan]

It's good so far. You're having fun? Yeah, it's great.

[Julian]

You're doing great. Don't leave the room.

[Danny]

Me or him?

[Julian]

Just watch him.

[Danny]

Okay, you got it. So who's the craziest guy you've ever met?

[Matan]

Hold on. I'm gonna leave the room.

[Danny]

Oh, hold on. You shouldn't. You shouldn't leave the room.

[Matan]

I'm gonna leave the room.

[Danny]

Okay, that's fine. You know what? Let's. Let's leave the room together. You know what I mean? I think that would be great. Is that for you getting their seat? Oh, not enough for the regular water for you? No, it's the regular.

[Matan]

You see those cups that are nasty?

[Danny]

Oh, I see. So he's gonna drink straight from that? Yes. Okay. I could get you a better cup. Would you like a better glass?

[Matan]

No, no, this will work fine.

[Danny]

This will work fine.

[Julian]

Oh, goodness.

[Danny]

There you go. Would you like a chair for that?

[Matan]

No.

[Danny]

No. Okay.

[Matan]

Maybe. Can you grab those napkins?

[Danny]

Those napkins? Yeah, sure.

[Matan]

And then maybe wipe this up a little so I don't destroy his ball.

[Danny]

Yeah, yeah. That's not. Let's. Let's try not to. Let's mitigate some of the damage, you know?

[Matan]

Oh, it says Israel on here.

[Danny]

This is Israel. That's one of those Israeli.

[Julian]

His Ra gloves.

[Danny]

All right. There you go, sir.

[Julian]

What are you wiping down?

[Danny]

The water that he's just going to pour more. He grabbed some sparkling water from your fridge. You weren't Planning on drinking it? Yeah.

[Julian]

It's all right. That wasn't. That water wasn't for me.

[Matan]

Okay.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Julian]

Everything's still on, right?

[Danny]

Yep. Yep.

[Julian]

All right, let's run it now. You're stealing my globe and my sparkling water. That isn't mine. You think that's cool? Just going to keep texting.

[Matan]

You said there was a break period.

[Julian]

Yeah, well, the break's over. I'm talking into the mic. You're supposed to be a professional. You know what this is.

[Matan]

Say again?

[Julian]

You stole my globe. You stole the sparkling water. That's not mine.

[Matan]

It's not yours?

[Julian]

No.

[Matan]

Who's is it?

[Julian]

A females.

[Matan]

Oh, your girlfriend or something?

[Julian]

No. No.

[Matan]

A victim?

[Julian]

No.

[Matan]

So who?

[Julian]

None of the above. What do you call it? The talking stage? Yeah. How is it? Any good?

[Matan]

I'm not a big fan of sparkling.

[Julian]

I'm not a fan of it either, do I guess. All right, we agree on that. Now why'd you take my globe?

[Matan]

Because it looks funny.

[Julian]

Why does it look funny? It's a globe.

[Matan]

You know, you bought the Israeli version.

[Julian]

I did not buy the Israeli version.

[Danny]

This was.

[Julian]

This was my grandfather's, actually.

[Matan]

Well, he bought the Israeli version.

[Danny]

No.

[Matan]

I forget grandfather. But an Israel one, probably before it even existed.

[Julian]

Again. Yeah. Is Israel even on there? I've never checked this.

[Matan]

Israel, Tel Aviv, Yafa, Jerusalem.

[Julian]

Okay, it's there.

[Matan]

I don't see no Palestine on here, though.

[Julian]

Right. So do you think Israel should exist?

[Matan]

Yeah, people have asked me that before. I think that's almost a futile argument.

[Julian]

I think it's a futile argument.

[Matan]

I think there's. We've now progressed into a point where I think fighting the land battle about it is a little too late in the process. I would like to mitigate the killing of a bunch of innocent Palestinians if possible, though, because that team is more realistic.

[Julian]

You know, I think I agree with you. Yeah. You got to start with the simpler, humane argument before you can tackle the real issues. Yeah.

[Matan]

I mean, it's just like if they're getting genocide, they're not going to be in the position to fight and take land back.

[Danny]

No.

[Matan]

So let's maybe stop that first. Stop funding it at least.

[Julian]

How many countries have you been to before?

[Matan]

England.

[Julian]

That's it?

[Matan]

I think so.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Really?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Matan]

I haven't traveled that far out of the US I've been to a bunch of states, but that's it.

[Julian]

What's your favorite state?

[Matan]

I like New York.

[Julian]

Why do you like New York?

[Matan]

Because there's always crazy, funny homeless people dancing and singing Borderline homeless people dancing and singing. Rich people who are looking very upset that they have to be in their presence.

[Julian]

Right. You enjoy that dynamic from an entertainment perspective?

[Matan]

It's amazing.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Matan]

It's like, unlike any other place I've ever seen.

[Julian]

Yeah. So, like, when you come here or anywhere and record, do you just go find a warehouse and set up, like, the white tent or.

[Matan]

Well, I have a studio I use in New York. I'm using a studio.

[Julian]

Okay, and they let you do. Just make a tent.

[Matan]

That's my set.

[Julian]

It's the second best tent set in podcasting, for sure.

[Matan]

What's the. What's the competitor?

[Julian]

Mark Gagnon. His tent. His tent's better.

[Matan]

Who's that camping?

[Julian]

My boy, Mark Camp Gagnon. You never seen this?

[Matan]

Oh, is that the guy on flagrant? Yeah, flagrant.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. Best hair in the game for sure. Shout out, Mark. See him right there? Oh, there's him before the hair. Look at that. Hold on. Go over two, go up. Look. Yeah, yeah, hit that. That's before he had hair.

[Matan]

But him being in a tent isn't fair because he looks like a homeless person who would be in a tent. So he has an advantage.

[Julian]

Do you think he looks homeless? I think it looks pretty clean.

[Matan]

Maybe not in that photo.

[Julian]

He is from Florida. In your defense, go to the recent one. Yeah,

[Matan]

homeless fair.

[Danny]

That's fair.

[Julian]

It's good hair. But he could. He could be home.

[Matan]

Would you like some water?

[Julian]

I've never seen him in a home. Now that you say that, I don't want sparkling water. No, like I said, I don't drink it. Now you got sparkling water on the table. That's like, actually. Is that acidic, Danny? I don't even know. Yeah, let's Google that. Is sparkling water acidic in any way? I'm not a biologist or chemist, you know.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yes, mildly acidic. When carbon dioxide dissolves in water, it forms carbonic acid, dropping the drinks ph to roughly 3.5 to 5.0. So you just put like a 4 ph on my table, and now you're gonna put more. That's awesome.

[Matan]

Will it melt by the time we're done?

[Julian]

It might melt by the time we're done. And then, like I said, Danny Jones is. He's gonna have to build a whole new table. I clean the carpet, so that's not a big.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Julian]

All right, Keep adding to it.

[Danny]

Just.

[Julian]

Let's not hit the wires down there.

[Matan]

Carpet melt.

[Julian]

The carpet will not melt. Oh, the carpet will not melt. It's a very. I. I sleep on this Carpet, sometimes.

[Matan]

What about the wooden floor?

[Julian]

No, don't. Don't do that. This guy.

[Matan]

It's an experiment. I'm not trying to.

[Julian]

It's an experiment. You're not trying to things up. You're just experimenting on my.

[Matan]

See if it mess.

[Danny]

Melts.

[Julian]

We'll see if it melts.

[Matan]

Isn't it a fun experiment to do in your house?

[Julian]

Not really. Not really?

[Matan]

It's fun because I don't have any damages.

[Julian]

Do you want to be president one day?

[Matan]

I don't think that's really even a relevant thing to consider right now.

[Julian]

Why is it not relevant if I

[Matan]

want to be president?

[Julian]

Yeah. Bill Clinton's already your rabbi.

[Matan]

How many years off of that before I would even be allowed to run? If I ran.

[Julian]

You got another 16 if your birth age is correct. Yeah. You might be a Dikembe Mutombo, though. I. I'm kind of leaning towards that.

[Matan]

I don't look 19 to you? I look older than that.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

How old do I look?

[Julian]

28 and a half, maybe.

[Matan]

Are you serious? Yeah. I don't know if I should interpret that as an insult or not.

[Julian]

No, it's for a guy. It's not an insult for sure.

[Matan]

Seems like an insult. I mean, you could just find a video of me from 2019 when I'm 12. It exists in the Hong Kong.

[Julian]

Maybe you were on puberty blockers.

[Matan]

Okay, well, see, now you have to come up with all these excuses. This is how.

[Julian]

That's not an excuse a lot. I mean, you're from California. A lot of people were on those.

[Matan]

Do I look like I was on those?

[Julian]

You might have been.

[Matan]

Do I sound like I was on those?

[Julian]

Well, you might have formulated the voice at this point.

[Matan]

Yeah, see, you come up with all these excuses.

[Julian]

It's not excuses. You play a bit. You play a character.

[Matan]

No, I don't.

[Julian]

What'd you just throw at him?

[Danny]

I think it was the.

[Julian]

Oh, it's the cap to the. It's not. It's not gonna hurt you.

[Danny]

No, no, that's fine.

[Julian]

Yeah, you'll be all right. You'll be all right.

[Matan]

Well, I wanted you to head it. You wanted with your head. He's soccer.

[Julian]

No, he's not a big soccer guy.

[Matan]

You want to try?

[Julian]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's a relic.

[Matan]

I won't do it because you said it's from your grass.

[Julian]

That's not even like a bot. Thank you. I appreciate that. I'll let him know he's still alive.

[Matan]

Okay. No, no, no, no.

[Julian]

No, no, no, no.

[Matan]

We're just almost messed up there.

[Julian]

We're just gonna put this back over here. No one can. No one can harm that. But you've only been to England.

[Matan]

Yes.

[Julian]

So you haven't done your world tour yet.

[Matan]

A world tour? Just traveling or like.

[Julian]

No, like actually doing the show too. I feel like that would suit you.

[Matan]

Like live or just filming with guests across the world.

[Julian]

I think filming with guests across the world.

[Matan]

I just. I mean, I don't know if there's any. Yes. Across the world that. What would. I could get a hold of that would be interesting.

[Julian]

Not one in all.

[Matan]

I don't know anybody in like, Austria.

[Julian]

Yeah, but they know you and there's probably a few interesting there.

[Matan]

It might be true, but I just haven't got a hold of them.

[Julian]

You haven't done that. I think you should do that.

[Matan]

I think it would be good.

[Julian]

Yeah, but you. Have you never thought about being president just because you're way too young, according to what you say to be.

[Matan]

I mean, it's just not. I have no political. No political background.

[Julian]

Weren't you just speaking it like some fucking young.

[Matan]

No, but I mean, I don't have. Like. I haven't been in the government at all. Usually you have to work your way up. Trump didn't. I was speaking at the New York's Young Republicans Club gala.

[Julian]

Who invited you?

[Matan]

Some idiot, I guess, who got fired. I won't call him an idiot. I appreciate that he got me off there to be this.

[Julian]

Why did he get. What'd you say? To get him fired, I guess.

[Matan]

I mean. Well, they immediately didn't let me back up to continue. I was the host of the whole event. Every time somebody came back up.

[Julian]

Oh, they asked you to emcee.

[Matan]

I was the mc. I was gonna do my speech in the beginning, which I did. I supposed to go off. Go on, go off, go on the whole time. Do a middle remark, conclusion remarks. I got my first six minutes. That was it.

[Julian]

Who yanked you officially?

[Matan]

They didn't even yank me. I went up. I was supposed to be up there for five minutes. I did my intro for like. Like six just went off.

[Julian]

But then they didn't let you back up, so somebody.

[Matan]

Well, I asked the guy because there were two guys, the two guys running the show. They were like almost shaking. They were like, maybe partly out of anger and like. I don't know what they. What. Whatever they were expecting. Not that I. They should expect that I would with them because I don't. With people.

[Julian]

You don't with people.

[Matan]

Because I don't do any of that nonsense.

[Julian]

Yeah, you don't.

[Matan]

That's for dumb babies.

[Julian]

Yeah, dumb babies. Some evidence there that, you know, somewhat. Some evidence against what you just said.

[Matan]

Well, that was a defensive position.

[Julian]

It was a defensive position, yes. All right, let me play some defense too.

[Danny]

Look at that.

[Matan]

Yeah, well, I don't want to mess up my jackets.

[Julian]

You don't want to mess up your jacket. Hey, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Want to come in?

[Matan]

I'll use. I'm a better defense.

[Julian]

Okay. All right. Okay. You're going to. You're going to. You can defend with the camera angle. Can we just make sure it's at least facing me? Yeah, yeah, over there.

[Danny]

All right.

[Julian]

I got the shampoo and conditioner.

[Matan]

Those are a lot less deadly.

[Julian]

That's. They're a lot less deadly. Have you ever seen these things squirt?

[Matan]

Oh, well, they don't go far, but yeah.

[Julian]

Just make sure it's at least lined up. If you need to play defense with that, you can, but let's make it like an actual.

[Matan]

What time is it, by the way? You know I have to do that show with Gavin.

[Julian]

That's right. Yeah. I gotta get you out of here at 2:15, so we got like an hour.

[Danny]

Okay. All right.

[Matan]

That way.

[Julian]

This is kind of like an interview now. Almost like a casting couch kind of thing. I don't know if you're into that, but I'm not gonna play along with that.

[Matan]

Like where I'm like a rapist.

[Julian]

Yeah, a little bit. I feel like you're about to talk dirty to me or something.

[Matan]

No, no.

[Julian]

Okay, that's good. That's good.

[Danny]

That's all right.

[Julian]

That's heterosexual.

[Matan]

There's no main shot. That includes everybody.

[Julian]

Yeah, there is. It's right there. But we didn't put it on for you. We put on this camera in case Mike. Mike came in. I didn't want the main shot for you.

[Matan]

Seems like a bit of an oversight.

[Julian]

Why is it an oversight?

[Matan]

Did I have a main shot?

[Julian]

Well, that's. I mean, if Joey Deef were here, we would have had it for sure. There was a lot going on. You were spraying a lot of things. I never put it on. You want to turn on camera five, Danny? We haven't needed it today. Yeah, yeah, because we got multiple angles.

[Matan]

It's not too late watching at this point.

[Julian]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Julian]

People watch these whole things. Look at that. That's it. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen. No, that's on you. Yeah, take the COVID off. Yeah. We almost just lost producer Danny.

[Matan]

It's also clearly a very good defense.

[Julian]

It is good defense, I'll give you that. But it won't look good in court. Yeah. Is it on? It's not on. You got. You got to turn it on. You have to turn like the switch on top. He's not going to die. All financial issues, but, like, I've seen him fall. It's not great. It's not. It's not great. You see on top, there's like a switch right there. You turn.

[Matan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're good. Now that knows how to turn on a camera.

[Julian]

Like I said, he's. Danny's the editor and today. Today, you know. Oh, did you turn that off now?

[Matan]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Why'd you turn that off?

[Matan]

I want to see if you can figure out how to turn it on you.

[Julian]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Matan]

Not.

[Julian]

Not there.

[Danny]

All right, all right.

[Julian]

On the. On the back of the camera, you see the power button? No, no, shut up.

[Danny]

The power button.

[Julian]

All right.

[Danny]

Yeah, yeah, hold on.

[Julian]

Yeah, just flick it.

[Danny]

There he goes. Is it.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, it's on. It's right on me.

[Danny]

Is it. Can you even hear you like, you're not even near the mic.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's. He's loud, but now he's gonna move it again. Okay.

[Matan]

Just as long as we don't do this stuff.

[Julian]

We won't do this stuff. Now we have. We have equal weaponry.

[Danny]

You know, you both have nukes.

[Julian]

You still haven't touched the bottom of the plunger.

[Matan]

Why would I touch the bottom of a plunge?

[Julian]

I mean, you were touching it on the way in here, and now, you know, there's on of it. Yeah. When you brought it in, you were carrying it like that.

[Matan]

No, I wasn't.

[Julian]

Yeah, you were.

[Matan]

Are you crazy?

[Julian]

Yeah, I think Danny actually has that on video. He was shooting some. No. Yeah. Have you talked to any cartel guys?

[Matan]

I don't think so.

[Julian]

You should.

[Matan]

Why is that?

[Julian]

Because I think you would actually be able to ask them good cutting questions and get them off balance, provided they spoke some English. If it's a guy, just speak Spanish. That's because to be tough.

[Matan]

I feel like that might be a little dangerous for me.

[Julian]

It might be a little dangerous, but you can just hire what he trying

[Matan]

to figure out right now.

[Julian]

No, he's taking notes.

[Danny]

Just taking notes.

[Julian]

He's just taking notes for you.

[Matan]

You know, I would like a coffee after this. I was treated unfairly. I would like a coffee.

[Danny]

Another coffee.

[Julian]

You're not Supposed to agree with him.

[Danny]

Oh, no.

[Matan]

I got you a coffee.

[Danny]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, no, that's.

[Julian]

You need two coffees.

[Danny]

I don't know. I. That's what he's saying.

[Matan]

Clearly he needs it more than one.

[Danny]

That's compensation.

[Julian]

It could be compensation.

[Matan]

He needs more energy than the average person to keep it running.

[Julian]

Yeah, but if you talk with a cartel guy that spoke English as well, you might be able to get to the bottom of the fentanyl crisis. And I feel like that would be something that could put you on a pathway for political.

[Matan]

Is it really a crisis, though? Or is it really just like the process of elimination?

[Julian]

Process of it. That's dark Madonna.

[Matan]

It's true, though.

[Julian]

Why is it true?

[Matan]

I don't know. Figure it out yourself.

[Julian]

Okay. Someone. Someone gets. Someone gets hurt on the job. They blow out their back doing nothing wrong, and then doctor over prescribes them opium, and then suddenly they're on the streets looking for fentanyl because the doctor got him addicted to opium.

[Matan]

They should have been stronger and not hurt their back on the job.

[Julian]

Okay, so you would have just stopped them doing the. You think that it's like a evolutionary Darwinism. If you just hurt your back on.

[Matan]

On the job, you shouldn't have hurt your back on the job. You should have been strong.

[Julian]

What if you're working really hard or

[Matan]

like, you know, you should have worked as hard as you can without not hurting your back because you should have been stronger.

[Julian]

Have you ever hurt your back?

[Matan]

No.

[Julian]

But if you did and got addicted to fentanyl, would you see it differently then?

[Matan]

I would think that I got eliminated by the process.

[Julian]

Eliminated by the process. So are you like a population control guy?

[Matan]

I was arguing against that earlier. I know.

[Julian]

That's what I'm saying.

[Matan]

Not a population control guy. I'm just questioning how big this crisis is and if it's really a crisis.

[Julian]

Crisis in air quotes.

[Matan]

Yeah. Is it a crisis or is it really just like, we're getting rid of some people who probably we don't need anyways? And also, they look really funny. And, like, we take photos of them and send it to our friends in a group chat and, like, look at this crazy guy. Okay, well, I do. I'm like, is this the craziest one we've seen so far? We have, like, a whole collection. We have, like, a shared, like, photo group where we are all the best ones.

[Julian]

Right. You do that with Mike. Mike.

[Matan]

Well, he's in one of the photos from when I got him. Right, but he's not in the group, he might find it a little offensive.

[Julian]

So you're worried about offending him so you make an exception for him.

[Matan]

Actually, that's a good point. I don't think he's even capable of really being offended or interpreting why he should be so. Actually, no. Yeah, I just. He just wouldn't understand. What funny about.

[Julian]

For his drugs?

[Matan]

He's not on drugs anymore.

[Julian]

He's not?

[Matan]

Yeah, it's just his brain is so fried from all the ones he did.

[Julian]

I don't know. Listen, when he had to be a lawyer for Palm Beach, Beauty was pretty good. I don't think your brain could be fried to say some of the things he was saying.

[Matan]

He's a great slave.

[Julian]

It's a great slip. So you just admitted it. Yes, yes. Let's go back to that. We never fully answered that question. You were talking about maybe chaining them in rooms and stuff. The people that passed the IQ test or whatever your smart test is and everything. But, like, what would you make them do? Do as slaves?

[Matan]

The whole point was to grow the

[Julian]

population so it's strictly for eugenics. What about the kids that they have? Do you make them automatically slaves too? Or are they going to be a

[Matan]

part of maybe some of them? Maybe just to continue at some point. Maybe we don't have to do this thing anymore where we.

[Julian]

Right.

[Matan]

Take IQ tests. It can just be those children that's smart.

[Julian]

So you. You keep some and then send them?

[Matan]

Yeah, like you have. You start with 10, you have 30 kids, right. Then now you will leave it 15 and 15. So you've grown by 15 and now instead of 15. You know what I mean?

[Julian]

Right. So what do you think?

[Danny]

The.

[Julian]

The world population is 8 billion right now. How many of those people do you think would qualify to be slaves?

[Matan]

In America or the world?

[Julian]

The world. Let's start at the world and then we'll go to America, work our way

[Matan]

down in the world. Maybe about 150 million.

[Julian]

So you think a lot of the world's dumped.

[Matan]

Are we going to move on to America now?

[Danny]

Okay,

[Matan]

in America, probably about 150 million.

[Julian]

So the rest of the world's pretty dumb to you? You only been to one country. How can you.

[Matan]

Well, I guess I'm kind of counting.

[Julian]

I think that's a lie.

[Matan]

But I meant Europe in America.

[Julian]

Europe and America.

[Matan]

Yeah, Europe is very similar. I mean, it's the same.

[Julian]

So you don't think they're good at math in Asia?

[Matan]

The issue is that they are not just isn't that they're not good at math. It's more of a cultural crisis.

[Julian]

Cultural. How so?

[Matan]

I mean, you don't see, like, the videos of, like, the guys in Tokyo just, like, collapsing on a bus, like, not even finding their way home to. To go to sleep after they've worked for 18 hours straight.

[Julian]

Huh. I feel like you're making the opposite argument, though.

[Matan]

What's the opposite argument?

[Julian]

Because you were saying 150 million only, including America and Europe, where some of these problems exist, but you're saying in Asia those problems don't exist.

[Matan]

Which problem exist?

[Julian]

You're talking about people that are, like, falling over.

[Matan]

The population problem doesn't exist in Asia.

[Julian]

No, no. Are you talking about, like, people that are actually falling over from being on fentanyl and like that?

[Matan]

No, from. From just not resting. Because.

[Julian]

Because they're not resting.

[Matan]

You haven't seen the videos of, like, the Japanese guys on the. On the subway?

[Julian]

I don't think I have, actually. Can we pull that up? Japanese guys falling over on subway video. Okay, let's see. This is a common thing. They just fall over.

[Matan]

I get, like, three of these videos a day.

[Julian]

Like that.

[Matan]

What does that mean?

[Danny]

Okay, Is this it right here?

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's grab it. Ever heard of the Oshia? Have you?

[Matan]

There it is.

[Julian]

This one. This is what you want? Don't worry about the volume, Danny. Oh, they're. Oh, they're trying to fit him into the sub.

[Matan]

Holy shit.

[Julian]

Look at him just pushing them in like a sardine. That's interesting, at least. Okay, go back and let's get the video. Matan once, because you saw it. Which one do you want?

[Matan]

Well, I don't. I don't see a video, but I see it says videos and photos of Japanese salary men falling over, passing out, or sleeping in unusual positions or. Subways are highly viral phenomena online. They're deeply tied to Japan's intense corporate culture.

[Danny]

And drinking. No.

[Julian]

So drinking habits, too. That's a drug.

[Matan]

Yeah, well, that's why I don't drink. I don't want to end up like a Japanese man sleeping on a bus.

[Julian]

Right, but we have that here, too, and I'll bet It's in that 150 million as well.

[Matan]

Yeah, that. Well, there's a lot more than 150 million people who live in the US and Europe.

[Julian]

I know.

[Matan]

We kind of had to cut it down a little bit.

[Julian]

Yeah, so you're automatically cutting down anyone who drinks?

[Matan]

Anyone who's an alcoholic that doesn't find their way home at night? Yes. Okay, you've been eliminated from my eugenics.

[Julian]

What if you just do it once?

[Matan]

You've just done that one time. Yeah.

[Julian]

Does that eliminate you, like if you have one like bender night?

[Matan]

Ideally, yes, but I feel like then we're not going to have enough people.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. See, there you go. That's true. Now, what is your master race look like? Is it like all one race or is it just strictly based on.

[Matan]

I don't think the culture hasn't progressed enough for me to get that racist. But maybe we can revisit that soon.

[Julian]

We can revisit that.

[Matan]

Yes.

[Julian]

Do you want them to look like you?

[Matan]

As I said, maybe we'll revisit soon.

[Julian]

But is that a possibility?

[Matan]

Maybe if Israel bombs like one more country.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

It'll progress to the point where we can start getting into the master race.

[Julian]

Would you go back to Israel at this point?

[Matan]

Go back. Get it. Do you think that would trick me? That stupid ass trick? If I was really a liar and I was from Israel, do you think that that would catch me? This whole sophisticated plan I've been doing this whole time, we get caught like that, maybe by an idiot skateboarder.

[Julian]

Probably wouldn't take much.

[Matan]

Clearly not.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

But also not really clearly.

[Julian]

Is that a Trump voice?

[Matan]

Does he say that?

[Julian]

I mean, the way you said that was a similar tone. You were going down on the.

[Matan]

You know, he does have great speaking patterns.

[Julian]

You like his speaking patterns?

[Matan]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Would he make your eugenics plan? He doesn't do drugs or drink.

[Danny]

Oh.

[Matan]

Would he get into the plan?

[Julian]

Yeah. Would he be like a pro creator for your eugenics?

[Matan]

We can do that.

[Julian]

We could do that.

[Matan]

I mean, I think it's going to be easier to find the men. Right. Sounds kind of women. Yeah. Because they're gonna have a lot more of an issue. The man is kind of like a one day process. Even thinking about this is a little.

[Julian]

What do you mean one day process?

[Matan]

I don't know if you know how having kids work, but you don't really. Oh.

[Julian]

One you're saying on the actual procreation

[Matan]

side, but you're saying it's easier for any male slaves. You know what I mean? Oh.

[Julian]

You would only make the slaves females because you'd have to require watching them for nine months while they are.

[Matan]

Actually you don't really need that with the men. So it sounds like the sexist eugenics plan, but really it's just practical.

[Julian]

I'm a practical guy, but you're practical guys.

[Matan]

It's all about being pragmatic and practical. So Always looking for the right solution to help everybody.

[Julian]

So are you saying you would only enslave the guys for like one day at a time here and there to, you know.

[Matan]

Unfortunately, I feel like they'd be happy to volunteer, as disgusting as that means.

[Julian]

Yeah. Did you talk to Bonnie Blue about that?

[Matan]

Well, that's a good example of it. I didn't talk to her about it. She certainly wouldn't make the eugenics plan.

[Julian]

She wouldn't make it, right? Yeah, it's a good call.

[Matan]

The brain is too screwed up. Yeah.

[Julian]

You didn't like her, right?

[Matan]

No, not particularly.

[Julian]

Yeah. Why'd you talk to her if you didn't like her? You were just interested.

[Matan]

I'm sure you have guests on your show all the time you don't like.

[Julian]

No, not that often. No.

[Matan]

You like me.

[Julian]

Yeah, I like you.

[Matan]

But not gay. Gay way, right?

[Julian]

Not in a gay way. No. Hard pause. That's right again. I thought you were into that so I'm happy stuff.

[Matan]

Yeah, yeah, we already went over that.

[Julian]

Yeah, we did.

[Matan]

See, this is why I don't run my podcasts for four hours because we just keep revisiting the same thing.

[Julian]

It's like, oh, but then I can catch you doing some.

[Matan]

You know, even caught me in a slip up. This whole time I think I've caught,

[Julian]

you know, a couple. You actually told me once that was good. And you fist bumped me.

[Matan]

What was it?

[Julian]

I don't remember. There's a lot going on today. What are you looking at?

[Matan]

Seeing if there's anything else to discuss.

[Julian]

You don't have any ideas?

[Matan]

I mean, I didn't prepare for this and honestly, that's good.

[Julian]

I don't want.

[Matan]

Usually I'll blame the guest for not prepare or the host when I guess on somebody show for not preparing enough. But we only scheduled this with like what, eight hours advance.

[Julian]

Yeah, I talked to you last night.

[Matan]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So I like to free will all of them though. How much do you freewheel versus like preparing? For years.

[Matan]

I'm very prepared.

[Julian]

It seems that way.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Julian]

But then you have a lot of off the cuff stuff and you let it go on tangents, which is good. So the preparation is really just getting people going. And then you.

[Matan]

The preparation is the questions. I write questions down.

[Julian]

Do write them down. But then you.

[Matan]

Questions I need answers to.

[Julian]

Not always.

[Matan]

Well, always to me, or I wouldn't write it down.

[Julian]

Now, some of the questions I don't think you need the answer to. I think you just want them.

[Matan]

That's. That's what? What now? We're having an argument about wanting and needing.

[Julian]

Yeah. These are two different things.

[Matan]

Do I need to know if. If he's Epstein, for example. Mr. Epstein.

[Julian]

Right.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Matan]

I don't really need to. I want to. I don't think I ever ask questions that I need to know the answer to to a guest on my show.

[Julian]

Why not?

[Matan]

Because I don't think those exist. I'm usually not in such a life situation where I need to ask a question. It's mostly just about wanting.

[Julian]

So you just do it because it's fun for you?

[Matan]

Yes.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Julian]

All right. One more question then.

[Matan]

Okay.

[Julian]

Do you think John Kiriaku is still in the CIA or not? Because you talk to him now. That's my boy.

[Matan]

It's a good question. I would say probably not. Probably he actually went to prison. Well documented.

[Julian]

That's right.

[Matan]

So unless he was. And, okay, assuming it wasn't a trick the whole time, he would have then had to rejoin them after not just exposing them for something that he didn't like doing, but then they basically put him in jail for it. Or alternatively, he was willing to actually go to jail for a long time, which neither seem as probable as just a. A guy who's not in the CIA anymore.

[Julian]

You ever hear a sheep dipping? No. That's where they. That's where you agree to do that purposely. It's like that scene.

[Matan]

Prison thing.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Julian]

It's like I'm saying in the Departed

[Matan]

where he's like, it could happen. Yeah, it could happen.

[Julian]

Could.

[Matan]

But it seems like probably not.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

Yeah. I don't know. Also, if he's really swaying, like, public sentiments on any serious issues. He's just telling funny stories.

[Julian]

You don't think he's swaying any public sentiments? I might disagree with you there, because the funny stories open up the bar to him actually having a very big platform. And then when he's able to actually give opinion on things, people are listening.

[Matan]

Well, we're yet to see that then, though.

[Julian]

I think he's probably moved the needle on some things.

[Matan]

Such as?

[Julian]

For sure, I think he's moved the needle.

[Matan]

I'm not trying to say he's not influential, by the way. It just seems like most of the stuff he's talking about is, like, personal stories to him or stuff that's, like, mostly unproblematic. Like, hey, we probably shouldn't be torturing Arabs.

[Julian]

That's. That's unproblematic?

[Matan]

Mostly, yes. Why is that unproblematic that we shouldn't be torturing Arabs?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

Are you Jewish?

[Julian]

No.

[Matan]

So then they should be.

[Julian]

But no. But you're saying why is. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Why is it unproblematic to not want that to happen? That he's discussing that public publicly? Are you saying.

[Matan]

Well, I'm saying he's denouncing it. And that's not really a problematic position to say. You don't want to torture Arabs. You're not in general. Well, specifically Arabs, yeah.

[Julian]

They did it to a lot of Arabs. In that case, you're not going to

[Matan]

get a lot of comments like, hey, I was a fan of you, but now that you said you don't want to torture Arabs, I think I'm done watching.

[Julian]

But it might be. It might be ruffling the feathers of people who do want to do that.

[Matan]

I think that's a small segmented group that John Kiriakou, who exposed torturing Arabs in the government, is probably not worried about.

[Danny]

About.

[Julian]

I hope he's not worried about them. He certainly seems not to be.

[Matan]

Doesn't seem like it, but yeah. I don't know. I would guess that he's not in the CIA anymore. I liked him. He was a really nice guy. Maybe he fooled me, but I would guess not.

[Julian]

No, he was definitely off balance with you, which was cool.

[Matan]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So I was glad to see you do that one. What about Bustamante? You think he's still in.

[Matan]

Much more likely than. Far more possible.

[Julian]

I 100% think he's.

[Matan]

Then again, I think it's also far more possible that he. Maybe he wasn't even ever there really. I don't know.

[Julian]

He was there for sure.

[Matan]

Yeah. But what he. What he might have been in there seemed like debated upon and what. How high level his position is.

[Julian]

He wasn't crazy high up.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Frankly, he. And he's talked about it. His career really only. Really only ended up progressing because of who his wife was. His wife was like a high level targeter.

[Matan]

He seems like he might well be in the CIA still.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

You think he is 100. Have you spoken to him before, Ton?

[Danny]

Yeah. Really?

[Matan]

He comes on the show a bunch.

[Julian]

Yeah, I tell him every time since the beginning.

[Matan]

Do you think he's in the CIA? Yeah, I think I said the same thing to him and I think, yeah, he probably still is.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

I don't get the same impression of that with John.

[Julian]

I agree. It would break my heart if John was actually still in CIA.

[Matan]

Yeah, that would be unfortunate.

[Julian]

It would be very unfortunate. Yeah. Would you disband the whole CIA?

[Matan]

These band?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Matan]

Get rid of it.

[Julian]

Like Kennedy.

[Matan]

What's the purpose?

[Julian]

Well, there's a lot of people who are like, well, they've gotten way too out of control. They take advantage of every single constitutional.

[Matan]

I'm really just not informed enough to really answer that question.

[Julian]

If that's a great answer.

[Matan]

Disband the CIA. I feel like that probably involves so many intricate problems that would solve and create that I can't answer that.

[Julian]

Okay. Are you gonna fix my table before you leave?

[Matan]

Well, it doesn't really seem like this melted your table.

[Julian]

Well, it definitely left a stain on it.

[Matan]

To remember me by.

[Julian]

Not to remember you by. I don't want to.

[Matan]

You want me to buy you a 30 wooden plank?

[Julian]

It's not there. It's more than that. And I'd like you to come in here and actually rebuild that part personally and put the ceiling on. I'll give you the ceiling. I have it back there.

[Matan]

You can go yourself.

[Julian]

No, I won't do that. Okay, you're gonna.

[Matan]

You're gonna come back, and then we're in. Pass.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Matan]

Okay.

[Julian]

You can get the out of my studio now.

[Matan]

Don't do a pretend. That means we're having some.

[Julian]

No, no, that's okay. We're not. I don't. But it wasn't nice to see you.

[Matan]

Okay, we're doing this. We're doing, like, a fake bit at the end.

[Julian]

Oh, a fake bet.

[Matan]

Julian Skateboarder is mad his stupid friend over there still doesn't know why he's here.

[Julian]

Yeah, we'll leave that up to people to decide if I'm actually mad. We're faking it. I think they know I'm faking it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they know.

[Matan]

And what's the point? You thought I would play along? No, I'm not a faker, guy. I don't fake.

[Julian]

You don't fake anything.

[Matan]

Nope.

[Julian]

You didn't change your personality at all after you walked in here. You just move that to me.

[Matan]

You think I acted differently outside?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Matan]

Did we even have a conversation that lasted 30 seconds?

[Julian]

It was about.

[Matan]

I said, hey, nice to meet you. Where's the bathroom?

[Julian]

It was about. Well, there was. There were a couple other commentary in there.

[Matan]

What did I say outside?

[Julian]

Asking me, oh, so you live here and record here?

[Matan]

I was like, yeah, that seems like a reasonable question. I would ask you this on this show. That's not.

[Julian]

Yeah, but it wasn't in this voice or.

[Matan]

That's tenor.

[Julian]

And you weren't wearing that jacket. You were wearing a T shirt.

[Matan]

Yeah, because I had just had my hat on when I was outside because I didn't want.

[Julian]

So this is hat head for you.

[Matan]

What does that mean?

[Julian]

I mean, it's. That's a pretty good hat head right there, if you had a hat on.

[Matan]

Oh, well, I. I see what you're saying. Yeah, sure, I guess so.

[Julian]

Okay. All right, Matan, in all seriousness, thanks for coming. I appreciate you, bro. Everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought back to me. Peace. Oh, you're funny, bro.

[Matan]

That's it.

[Julian]

That's it.

[Matan]

That was great. Did you think it was good?

[Julian]

I thought it was awesome, bro. What's up, guys? Thanks so much for watching the video. If you have not subscribed, please hit that subscribe button before you leave. As well as leaving a like on the video. It's a huge, huge help. You can join my Patreon via the link in the description, and you can also join my clipping community via the Discord link down below. See you for the next episode.