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Deborah Maldonado
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Podcast Announcer
Welcome to Jung on purpose with CreativeMind, hosted by Deborah and Dr. Rob Maldonado, creators of the NeuroMindra coaching method based on Jungian psychology, non dual spirituality and social neuroscience. Join us each week as we explore personal growth for purpose seekers and the incredible inner journey of becoming your true self.
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Deborah Maldonado
Let's get started. Hello, everyone.
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Podcast Announcer
Welcome back to Young on Purpose.
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Deborah Maldonado
I am Deborah Maldonado.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
I'm Dr. Rob. Welcome.
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Deborah Maldonado
And we're excited to continue our series on the archetypal family field system. Want to talk a little bit today about. We talked about the family field and then the adolescent field, the social field, how we fit in with others in junior high, high school, and then later on in adulthood, twenties or late adolescence as most people call it. But this other field that's emerging for the past couple decades, more prevalent now is the digital field. And we'll talk about that field of consciousness that we're dealing with online and how that affects us and what we can do with it. And before we begin, I do want to ask you a big favor and subscribe to our channel. If you're watching us on YouTube, if you are listening to us on Spotify, itunes, or any of the great podcast services, don't forget to subscribe. Helps us reach more people. Thank you for my mini commercial. So this digital peer field, social media, how, how does that, what is that about, Rob?
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
I mean, some people say that our brains are not designed to manage or handle these kind of technologies. And of course, that's ridiculous because our brain is the one that created these technologies. We would not have created these technologies if there wasn't something in our minds, in our biology and in our psychology that corresponds to.
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Deborah Maldonado
So what, what, what is our, what does that mean? Our brains aren't.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
If we think about how we use language as human beings, this is an extension of it. The discoveries of AI essentially were made by, by psychologists who were linguists or studying language. How does language work? And they plugged these systems into the computers and sure enough, they were able to kind of generate what we call intelligence or language model, or what appears to be intelligence. Exactly. And based on language models. So language is, let's say, the precursor, the correlate in our minds to what we're seeing in AI and also on
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Deborah Maldonado
social media because we're using verbal language, we're using. We're typing things and sharing stories. Right.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
And the communication apparatuses, right. Technologies that help us communicate with each other. The, the problem, let's say, arises when we start to project this kind of sense that, my God, they're more powerful than us, or they could become more powerful than us. Now, I'm not saying technology cannot be powerful. We see it in nuclear weapons, for example. We need to create our own guardrails and our own ways of containing those technologies so that they don't destroy us. Absolutely, we need to do that. But the power is within us, always within us. And they're tools, meaning that it all goes back to us. How can we work with our own minds so that we don't create those kind of situations for ourselves where we are putting ourselves in danger?
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Deborah Maldonado
So, for example, like, we talk about the fields that we see, the family field, that's uncomfortable conscious patterns that we inherited from our family and our experience early in life. And then we repeat those patterns. And so the peer field, this digital field, is basically another. Like we have this concentric circles with, you know, fields within fields. And so there's the. The personal family. Then you go to social, then when you go to the adult life, and bigger, more expansive social circle. And now the digital field is on steroids. And then we're not only communicating with human beings on this social media, we are also now with AI, communicating with a machine. So it's. We're using a machine to communicate with each other, and then we're actually communicating directly to a machine that has a name or gives. You give it a name and it. And it feels like you're having a conversation with a real person. And so psychologically, this can be really interesting. First of all, the individual experience with AI, you're going to project your own family field, your own patterns into that. That. That relationship. So it'll reflect back who you are in a very, very simple way. And if you get addicted to it or if you, you know, most of AI is pleasing, they want to compliment you all the time. Right. They want to. That's a great idea. Maybe there's a part of you that never got that reinforcement from mom and dad. So guess what? You are hooked on Claude telling you, you are so smart and wonderful. That's very insightful. And that could be actually a way, like a addiction in a way, because of the field that you originally created in the family field.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
Yeah, there is a lot of that, of course, because projection is part of what our mind does kind of automatically. Right. It tends to project what is unconscious in us into the external world. And of course, technology simply amplifies that projection so that now we're. We're kind of seeing these computers almost as our alter egos in A sense
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Deborah Maldonado
or extension of our intelligence that I am smart because now I can type in ChatGPT research, and now I got it, and I can write a whole paper on it. And some people write whole courses and just by an articles on, you know, relying on. On AI and they have no input at all. And then they take credit for it. They slap their name on it. I'm so smart. And we're almost identifying with the as a tool that it's an extension of our intelligence or making us smarter, and we can get lost in that. Another thing I'd like to talk about is social media. And we can go back to AI, but for social media, you know, when we were growing up, maybe humanity, back in the 50s or 60s, you're. You're kind of in your own town, like the town hall and the town dance, and you, you know, we're in very small town, and everyone knew each other and accepted each other for who they are in a way. I mean, they're always the outcasts and stuff. But it was very like a small little community. The town square was very small. And then with the advent of social media came out in the 90s, we now have access to a bigger town square where we have so many different people we can reach and personalities we can reach across the world. And people that not only. Not always agree with us, as most of us know, and. And it really is this weird concept of how do we psychologically deal with our relationship with the people that we don't even have real relationships with. For example, when Facebook came out, we let everyone be our friend. We wanted to be. Have lots of friends. Is that a real friend or is that a Facebook friend? I remember people saying, so we have these like, faux friendships and relationships. And so it can be very confusing to a psyche that's been around for millions of years now trying to catch up with this new reality that we're dealing with. It's like a virtual reality we're dealing with.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
Yes, but it, it's also very adaptive in our minds. They're very adaptive. They're designed to be flexible. And really one of the definitions, one of the best definitions that we have of mental health is mental flexibility, the ability to go with the flow, bend when you need to bend, be kind
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Deborah Maldonado
of be rigid when you need to
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
be rigid, set boundaries, those kind of things. That's the good definition of a healthy mind. But technology does challenge us socially because it shifts the emphasis from real relationships or the traditional way of doing relationships to now these digital experiences of relationships. And so you, you were a love coach in the beginning when I met you.
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Deborah Maldonado
In the beginning, yes.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
That one of the first things that we talked about was these kind of dating app dating sites.
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Deborah Maldonado
Yeah.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
At that time, it's a new way
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Deborah Maldonado
to meet people versus going to a bar or something social. You introducing through a friend or family or at work, you're now have more options to date. And. And what's really sad is that it's like the person then becomes more important. Like we're matching up with someone's Persona. What they look like, how they dress, what their hair looks like, are they balding or they have full head of hair, how old they are. And you're seeing their whole demographic information, what type of job they have. You can assume how much money they have by the background or what car they're driving. And everything's all this superficial that has nothing to do with love. People trying to match up initially, that's how it was. And people rejecting you for weird reasons, you know, like, oh, I don't like. I don't like short hair, I don't like long. And we lose that, like chance meeting or connecting with someone that maybe we weren't totally attracted to at first, but then we loved who they are, we love their soul and we just grew attracted. So, yeah, so there's that dating. But also, you know, I think for business owners, a lot of people use social media for business. As a coach, you know, working with lots of coaches and my mentors and you know, social media, the big thing, you see this kind of performance happening too. Just like on dating site, you're going to put your best face forward so you get picked. And some people, you know, touch up their photos a little bit to look younger. I'm not saying who did that. Not me. Yeah, but. But now we have to, as a business owner, we have to go out and create this social Persona that we never had to do before to present ourselves as, you know, especially if you're like a thought leader or a coach or a therapist. A lot of them go online and they're talking about concepts like we do and putting out that Persona and having that certain kind of what people want to see. And then a lot of people, they get caught up in the Persona and they forget to be real. And there is right now, I've heard this thing with, you know, in the beginning, everyone wanted the bells and whistles and the famous coaches and all those things, and they realize that there's a lot of hood people, you know, not really being experts but really good at getting a social following. And, and now it's now building more authentic connections. So there is a curve happening. Yeah, but, but a lot of our coaches have a pressure of putting themselves out there and that Persona, you know, like a lot of new coaches feel that way or new, new business owners. They feel like, like now I have to like be on video and, and perform where we didn't have to do that before. We had a great business model. We went out and made the work happen. And now we have to add this extra element of social pressure. And so it's like this peer pressure that we had to deal with when we were adolescents. Who was cool, who was not, who has the cool followers. And so we can get psychologically caught up in that of thinking that defines us. That makes like we have a certain amount of followers, we must be good or people like this video, we're better. And so we're kind of caught up in that same ego building we were. If we are not conscious.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
Yes. And because it is an amplification of our abilities, let's say, to communicate with each other and to find people that perhaps we would never meet because they're in other cities, in other countries and now we can talk to them easily on zoom. The amplification of difficult situations is also there. So we see young people having difficulty now with this social media, this digital sphere or digital system of communication, because everything's so amplified that now if you are disliked, you're disliked by many, many people that you don't even know. They don't even know you as a real person yet. They're. They're kind of trolling you or giving
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Deborah Maldonado
you negative feedback and that we just saw a special. Probably like a year ago, they were talking about people being shamed on social media, the public shame, like the public square. Like back in the day you got put in the locks in the set town and you know, or you were burned at the stake or something. Like you got shamed in the. In public where the dunce tap cap, you know, and this is now, you know, you just put an opinion out and people are like, but here's the thing. If you know who you are, then it doesn't matter what your social media or the, what your experience in social media is going to reflect your mind. It's going to reflect your deeper mind. Now you could say, oh, the algorithm. But the algorithm is like based on what you like unconsciously. It's going to feed you back things that interest you. That's fine. But your reaction to things and what you're drawn to and your reaction to people liking you or what someone posts. That's all great. You can use it to, to grow yourself because now you have this stimulation of getting triggered and understand like, I don't like this, or this is weird. But you can ask yourself, why does that bother me? We start to go inward and see it's a reflection of our family fields we're seeing. If we're always feeling criticized online, it's like, well, maybe that's your life and maybe if you shifted inside, you won't see it anymore. I know for me, when I was first starting, there was lots of criticism because I was so sensitive to criticism, I sent a scene it everywhere. Oh, that person made a negative comment on my post. And now if I, I barely notice it and if I see it, it's like, okay, you know, that person doesn't know me. That's fine. So it's, it's understanding that your reaction to what you're seeing on there is from your mind. It's not out there. The Internet is not its own independent thing that's happening out there. It's actually an extension of our minds in another form. In a digital form.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
Yes. And just like in typical communication, let's say, between two countries, things can go wrong and escalate into aggression and war. Those tendencies are also amplified through social media, where conflict becomes grander, bigger, and is amplified and escalated instead of reduced.
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Deborah Maldonado
Well, because then you have everyone else putting in their input to it. So if you have a conflict with someone and you're out to lunch with them and you have a fight, the whole restaurant doesn't get over and take sides and like tell you, you know, but you do that in public. You have an opinion, strong opinion about something, and someone disagrees, then everyone piles on and it can be very overwhelming. It's not a normal thing to, to experience. But the thing is you don't want to avoid being online because you're afraid. You want to. If you choose not to be, that's great. But you don't want to do it because you're afraid of rejection or af. Of or, or the, the noise out there. You, you like, okay, I'm going to limit my time. And you get interested and curious about why you, why that, why you were triggered about what that person wrote, even if it was on your friend's site. Like why, why, why did, why were you triggered about that? And what triggers you about what this person is saying? And, and then just noticing what's it reflects back to you. I think it's a really great tool to really see your mind and not be afraid of it. But you have to address it consciously. Most people do not. They get into the spirals and arguments. Like one thing, like, I would see something I really disagreed with, and I would sit there and go, I really want to say something because this is so wrong. But I thought, do I want to get involved in a whole debate on this? Do I want to put my energy into. Is it that important? And, and, and most of the time I would not do it. But we tend to be compulsive when we're online. We're kind of in a trance. And so our conscious, like, executive functioning isn't really firing. We're like, in that loop and we're just getting caught up in it. And, and we see this with politics. You know, people get in that, you know, arguments and they waste so much of their time and energy and pain in their heart over things and, and, and feeding the beast of themselves that they, they can't escape and like, the need to be right and all those things. So it's kind of magnifying the human condition, but also a way for us to see our reflection and we can use it as a tool, as a growth tool for us.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
Absolutely.
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Deborah Maldonado
I also think it's a wonderful way for us, like, as business owners, as thought leaders, we want to reach more people before we would have to write a book and wait two years for it to be published, get it in the bookstore and maybe be lucky and be on the Today show and maybe be famous and people find our work or do a local, you know, workshop and slowly get to reach people. But now we can have an impact on so many, so many countries all over the world. So it's a beautiful thing. So it's like anything else. Nothing's all good and nothing's all bad.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
That's it. Like everything else, it's neutral. It's essentially what we do with it that counts. My training, part of my training was in developmental psychology. And I worry about the kids mainly because now they, they are exposed to corporate influence that they don't have many kind of guardrails. They use these algorithms to target these children, like consumption consumers, essentially. And that is dangerous. Right, that those are some of the things that we need to pay attention to as adults and say, let's put some guardrails.
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Deborah Maldonado
well, even the addiction of being having. Like, I never bring, I leave my phone downstairs. Like, I never bring my phone to bed or my bedroom at all unless I have to wake up early and I trust my phone's alarm. But I. People like spend, you know, the first thing they do, check their phone in the morning, go to sleep. And it's like so prevalent even at dinner, you see people out to dinner and everyone's looking down at their phone. And it can be, it could be very like. It's almost like that world is more important than being together with ourselves. And so we have to bring it back in balance. So that's another point. And then kids too, they're not learning to be social, they're learning to do emojis to each other and, you know, not knowing how to communicate and like general social development.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
Exactly. So in thinking about the family field and the digital field overlapping, now it's a different world because now it's people growing up not only with their family field, but the screen as being part of their early experiences. These screens, right, the, the iPhone and the iPads and the televisions and the computer. And now AI then brings in another element of these kind of artificial intelligence. And robotics is going to supposedly play a big role. It's already kind of changing the world of work and manufacturing, but it's going to play a big role in our everyday lives as well. So there's no turning back. I don't, you know, I'm not those people that say, let's just go back to nature or something like that. But go off the grid, right? We're off the grid. We have to embrace these things so that we can bring some sanity into them. So we need this, this kind of larger understanding of our human nature so that we don't create more suffering. Because if it amplifies things, yes, it's going to amplify our ability to communicate and to solve problems, but it's also going to amplify human suffering. That's, it's just part of the, well,
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Deborah Maldonado
it just that anxiety. And then it's like the algorithm does feed things that would trigger us like the things that we like, dislike or argue about, like it'll give you more of that or the things like, and then it sends you something that's you're going to be mad about and there's, there, there's this like addictive quality to it. And, and I, I've totally been caught up in the addictive quality like in that loop and it's about being conscious and understanding. But I also think for me starting out like when I was new, it was really like I can't imagine teenagers. I, I always say thank God they didn't have video phones or social media when I was younger because I would be, you know, this permanent evidence of my crazy twenties. But there's such a pressure right now for young people and to be beautiful, to be thin, to look good. And you know, they are asking people what do they want to do and they're like I want to be an influencer so it can be really, you know, just not healthy. And we, we want to bring the town square back to human, to human connection in person.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
Yeah, yeah.
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Deborah Maldonado
One of the things that, and so
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
here's a proposal then.
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Deborah Maldonado
What's a give me a proposal?
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
Our ability to transform our mind internally, in other words to do internal work is the key because if these, this technology is simply amplifying our tendencies, our human natural tendencies, then it's about changing our own minds so that it amplifies our enlightenment, our, our awareness, our ability to help each other and inspire each other and that sense of community. Right. We could create like a global community, but it has to start with us. In other words, an inner psychology adept psychology that helps us transform our own selves first and then. Well actually with the current technology we could spread it because we could communicate with many people across the planet and teach these things as, as coaches. We have this advantage that we could place coaching, the profession of coaching as the primary way of changing the planet through the existing technologies and that we, we start to train coaches in these, let's say in communicating the individuation process, the process of becoming your true self. Getting in touch with, you know, these, the. We've been talking about the complexes in the family feel that.
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Deborah Maldonado
So depth coaching, not just positive thinking coaching, exactly.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
Depth coaching is because if we can change enough people, we know there's a phenomena like I think it's called 100 monkey phenomena, where we. If we train enough critical mass. Yeah. Enough of the population, we don't have to reach every single person on the planet, just a certain percentage, Then the whole system flips over into that new pattern.
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Deborah Maldonado
And part of it is, like I said, do I want to contribute to more irritation in the world? So before you criticize someone, you know who you're. Who you are, and you. You slam people online and do all those things, you ask yourself, what do I. What am I getting out of this? Like, am I trying to build myself up? Or, you know, like, do I want to add more irritation to the world or do I want to add more love to the world? And so what are you putting out there on social media? Whether it's commenting and you might not put content out, but maybe you're commenting. What do you. You do. What are you putting in there? And. And they're all. It's always a reflection of you. Like, it's not that person that irritated you that you're fighting with. It's like you're contributing to that. What. It's like you're fighting with yourself. You still say that, Rob, that you're having this inner battle, and it just, it fears that you're battling someone out there, but it's really your own mind, like, what irritates you about that person that you have to criticize them or put them down. And, and so that's something that I've practiced over the years is I noticed, like, early on with Facebook is like, everyone has their opinions and people would argue. And then I was just like, oh, I don't want to be a part of this anymore. Not that I don't want to be part of watching what's happening online and seeing what's going on with my friend, but I don't want to be caught up in that and arguments and things like that. And, and, and I think just people. Maybe people are bored, but we have to, like, be conscious and what we're contributing and we're putting out into the world and, and, and how we're making other people feel do that. Do you want to make that person feel bad? No, let's how it treat others. The golden rule. If we all started to do that, it might be more pleasant to be online and people might be as afraid to share their opinions or feelings or what they believe. Right. I, like, my, like, feel comfortable. Like, okay, you know, I might. And even, even if someone disagrees, it's not a big deal. It's not like oh, they said I'm stupid.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
The person doesn't work with their own mind. Those tendencies are there. We know from East Wisdom traditions that we all have an inclination to be greedy, be angry, to be defensive. In other words, all those base tendencies are within every single one of us. They're natural. And that if we do not cultivate the opposite or the ability to drive and control our own mind, those things become who we are, an expression of our human nature. And so the key is to train enough people on what is the mind, what is the nature of the mind? How can you direct your mind from a more enlightened place? And we know we have the psychology to do that. We already understand enough of that. So it's simply getting it out to enough people, especially leaders, so that they can teach others and lead others from an enlightened place.
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Deborah Maldonado
And instead of reacting to life, which is what we do, our default is just to react. Just to react. Just to react and survive. Survive. Survive. It's like, what if you can consciously create what you want your life to be? Consciously create the environment you are online and offline that you want to be in. What a beautiful power that we have. But we abdicate that power to the external world all the time, and the inner work is the only way because we have to figure out the invisible force, that invisible family field that we are living inside of. Like a fish that doesn't know it's in water. We're not aware of the. We think it's. We're justified to argue with someone, but it's like, well, maybe we're dealing with my father complex here. Maybe that's what's happening. And when you recognize those tendencies and then you're able to see them, then you have a choice. But if you can't even recognize them, you think, that's just the way I am or that's the way I should be, where that's justified, then we're stuck in the same patterns and we have the same world that we live in with the same battles, the same, you know, social problems that we have. Because everyone's reacting and no one's really saying, how can I contribute to the world and make it a better place? There's a lot of us out there that want to do that. We just need more.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
There's a whole country in Bhutan. The whole system is being built around happiness. Are our citizens happy? And what can we do as a society to ensure that and measure the Gross National Product in happiness? Not in monetary terms. That's a brilliant idea. And why not if, you know, if one country can do it, the whole planet can do it.
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Deborah Maldonado
Yep. And really it's less about power, competition, beating out others, being the best and getting all the attention, but it's more about giving and sharing and being a part of, like, we're all one in a way and realizing the oneness that is the basis of all of us. We're all coming from the same consciousness. We're all the roots of the same tree. We're all connected. And in a way, the Internet kind of brings that in because we are really connected virtually. So it's almost as if it's a vehicle for that to reconnect. And so we can use it in a very powerful way. We don't have to reject it, but we have to be conscious when we're on there.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
Absolutely. Because you see a lot of these apocalyptic visions of the future kind of based on science and science fiction, but why not the opposite? Why not these kind of visionary ideas of transformation of the planet. Something powerful, just like the individual can transform right from being addicted and. And some people just turn it around and become really powerful, well balanced individuals. I think we can do it as a species as well. We have the tools and we have the technology. We just need.
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Deborah Maldonado
And we have the consciousness that can get there. We have the potential within us.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
Yes. And a lot of people say, yeah, but we're in a special kind of difficult, dire situation because of. Of the politics and the technology. Yes. But nature never creates one thing without creating its opposite. So if the chaos is there, if the difficult, difficult corruption. The corruption is there also. The answer to those things is also. That's why we always encourage our students. Right now is the time to put your ideas forth.
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Deborah Maldonado
The world needs more coaches, more depth coaches. That's what we do. We help bring more of the. Make that ripple effect, awaken more people to what they. The power within them and not manifesting and to obtain more money or more, you know, the beautiful partner. Those are great. But it's actually, well, who do I become and how do I want to be in the world that's totally fulfilling and meaningful. That's the. That's the real gold. And so that's what depth coaching can give you. So, yeah, we'd love for you to check out our archetypal family field program. We're starting our next cohort very soon, and it's really fabulous. New technology, psychological technology, methodology that we put together for. For our students and our. For the world to help us break those patterns, shift the field, the family field, and, and make it a more expansive and our way of expressing ourselves in a more truer way and more powerful way.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
Absolutely.
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Deborah Maldonado
All right. Well, we'll see you next week on Young On Purpose. And we enjoyed our conversations today about this whole trajectory of childhood and development and remembering that it's not all negative, that we it's a very powerful, strong mind that we all have a healthy mind that brought us through these stages. And there's nothing wrong with them. They're outgrowth. And we need each stage has its importance and its, its purpose, and we want to honor that and try to jump through. And some people ask, should we, you know, get our kids learning about the Persona and the shadow early? And you could, but it's really like, it's okay. They're supposed to build that Persona up. And that's, it's not a bad thing. It's just after 30, if you're still hanging onto your Persona and your old patterns, it's going to eventually lead to you feeling fatigued, unfulfilled and depressed because it's not really who you are. But the beginning of life is absolutely what we need to do. So, anyway, take care, everyone. We'll see you next week on Young On Purpose.
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Dr. Rob Maldonado
See you soon.
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Deborah Maldonado
Bye. Bye.
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Deborah Maldonado
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