Adam McIntyre Gets Colleen Ballinger Banned + David Dobrik Was Innocent All Along? | Just Trish 278

Summary

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Just Trish Podcast Ep. 278: Adam McIntyre Gets Colleen Ballinger Banned + David Dobrik Was Innocent All Along?

Air Date: May 21, 2026
Host: Trisha Paytas
Co-host: Jess (Oscar Gracey)
Episode Theme:
This week, Trisha and Oscar dive into a jam-packed episode covering creator drama, influencer culture, pop nostalgia, and recent breaking news. Major topics include Adam McIntyre's successful campaign to have Rachel Ballinger (and by extension, Colleen Ballinger) removed from VidCon, the surprise settlement between Jeff Wittek and David Dobrik, the pitfalls of influencer apologies, and the wild world of social media scandals—plus a whirlwind of pop culture tangents, personal anecdotes, and internet lore.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

Adam McIntyre Gets Rachel Ballinger (Colleen’s Sister) Removed from VidCon

• Background: Adam McIntyre, who’d previously exposed Colleen Ballinger (Miranda Sings) for manipulative and inappropriate behavior, was named a feature creator at VidCon. Rachel Ballinger was also slated as a featured creator.
• Adam was concerned about Colleen (Rachel’s podcast cohost and plus-one) potentially being present, given history of harassment and lack of direct apology.
• Outcome: Due to backlash, VidCon officially removed Rachel Ballinger from the lineup, ensuring Adam’s participation would remain comfortable.
• Quote:
  • "Ironically, the same time he confirms he's going, he finds out from VidCon that they have removed Rachel from the lineup. Those muckers really come through because they got. VidCon got a lot of backlash." (Jess, 104:26)
• Trisha’s Reflection:
  • “If you're at a YouTube event and they're trying to promote both of you and one of you has harassed the other creator, like, I do think that's a very logical...And I'm glad. I'm glad they did it.” (Trish, 105:03)
• Timestamps: 101:47 – 112:07

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David Dobrik vs. Jeff Wittek Settlement – Was David Innocent All Along?

• Jeff Wittek surprisingly posted that he’d learned David’s company did, in fact, pay initial medical bills ($110,000) and an additional $41,000 out of pocket after Jeff’s excavator accident.
• Jeff issued a “classic settlement statement,” apologizing for confusion, noting “miscommunication” (blaming a “former employee”—possibly his assistant).
• All videos by Jeff criticizing David have been unlisted or private.
• Quote:
  • "I want to apologize, guys, for the confusion the situation created. Publicly, more than anything, I'm grateful to finally leave this chapter in the past." (Jess quoting Jeff, 128:24)
  • “Everyone can kind of tell. Everyone sees it. ...what if they became friends again? What if they're, like, in the vlogs?” (Trish, 131:34)
• Discussion of the fatigue and expense of lawsuits versus closure: “I've won two. Then you don't even, like, get paid. Like, people, like, file bankruptcy and do it, like, to Track it down...it was like two years...” (Trish, 130:34)
• Timestamps: 127:51 – 138:56

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Colleen Ballinger, Rachel Ballinger, and the State of YouTube Apologies

• Trisha and Jess debate why so many YouTubers struggle with meaningful apologies and why the internet does/doesn’t accept them, especially for creators like Colleen and Rachel who still deny accountability.
• Emphasis on harm to minors and lack of direct redress: "If someone's an awful person, like James Charles or in my opinion, Colleen…to me, an awful person is someone who takes zero accountability, still puts the blame on someone who's clearly a victim…" (Trish, 107:55)
• Adam’s update is framed as a rare example of genuine accountability prompted by community pushback.

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Viral TikTok Scandals: Gabby Gonzalez "Murder for Hire" Plot

• News break: TikToker Gabby Gonzalez and her father arrested for allegedly plotting to have her ex (Why Don’t We’s Jack Avery) killed due to custody dispute.
• "She was arrested for plotting allegedly for allegedly plotting to have her singer, Jack Avery, who is her baby daddy. ...for custody." (Jess, 117:07)
• Discussion of internet oversharing, true crime, and how quickly influencers’ lives spiral from content creation into major criminal drama.
• Timestamps: 115:40 – 124:10

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K-Pop, Fandom, and Personal Anecdotes

• Trisha shares excitement for her own upcoming London performance, embracing her “K-pop era” and musing on fanbase names (The Dolls? Mukbangers? Fishies?), expressing joy about fandom community.
• Banter about the “Piggy Dolls”—a plus-size K-pop group, and riffing on fandom naming conventions. (112:07 – 114:39)
• Trisha reflects on euphoric moments in her performance career and pride in her journey: "I am a doll. I would love to be and everything. We love you guys so much. Maybe that's my K pop fandom. The dolls.” (Trisha, 114:16)

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Pop Nostalgia & Internet Lore – Tangents and Celebrity Culture

• Spiraling discussions on:
  • The IKEA “ugly bridge” era of YouTuber décor (24:47)
  • Rebranding (and lack thereof) in influencer culture (31:29)
  • Millie Bobby Brown accidentally (or not) revealing her baby’s name via a necklace ("Ruth Bon Jovi") (62:05)
  • Summer camp horror stories, Pizza Hut Book It Club memories, Six Flags and roller coaster fears (84:21 – 94:02)
  • Nicole Richie and Paris Hilton “The Simple Life” nostalgia (57:12 – 59:58)
  • The power of apology (or lack thereof) in influencer culture.

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Gag & Notable One-Liners

• “That show was crazy. ...Darian made us get an annual pass the Six Flags after we went the first time. I hate it that much. ...You're really jostling at Six Flags, let me tell you.” (Trish, 93:08)
• “There’s no small parts, just small actors.” (Trisha, 79:14)
• “If all of a sudden tomorrow, I'm just like, David Dobrik, I am so sorry. I. Nothing I said was true.” (Trisha, 130:34)
• “I feel like I'm always like fleeing because like Galley was like, okay, the evacuation thing.” (Trisha, 89:27)
• “For the right price, am I pressing? ...Say it anyway.” (Trisha, 136:13)

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Segment Timestamps & Highlights

• 00:01–13:53 – Cold open, personal updates, K-pop, fandom talk, influencer merch, food, and decor discussions.
• 14:03–24:47 – Influencer art tastes, David Dobrik house décor, art tour banter.
• 25:07–31:36 – Ugly bridge art discourse, influencer trends, YouTube dramas.
• 31:29–43:55 – Rebranding culture, pop nostalgia, “Simple Life,” influencer apologies.
• 44:49–55:47 – TikTok memes, pop culture crushes, family names, Millie Bobby Brown’s baby.
• 84:21–94:02 – Summer camp experiences; Six Flags, amusement park fears, scary ride stories, generational differences.
• 101:47–112:07 – Adam McIntyre/VidCon/Colleen Ballinger saga.
• 115:40–124:10 – TikTok “murder for hire” plot breaking news and analysis.
• 127:51–138:56 – David Dobrik/Jeff Wittek lawsuit settlement, creator lawsuits, influencer accountability.

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Notable Quotes w/ Timestamps

• “If you're at a YouTube event and they're trying to promote both of you and one of you has harassed the other creator, like, I do think that's a very logical...And I'm glad. I'm glad they did it.” (105:03, Trisha)
• “There’s no small parts, just small actors.” (79:14, Trisha)
• “You have, like, a lot of. Of influence now more than them. ...he stands by what he says and he's not afraid to say it, even if it means he'll be antagonized by other fan bases...” (107:19, Jess)
• “I always say this: lawsuits are the worst...your life, how much time it takes, how much money it takes. ...it's just like, literally the worst thing in the whole world.” (130:34, Trisha)
• “He could have been badly hurt. But I guess David's not as bad as we all thought. According to Jeff Wittek he said that [David] did, in fact...paid his medical bills.” (128:12, Moses/Trisha)
• “Honestly, for the settlement check, peace of mind. ...it could be dragged out forever.” (131:34, Trisha)

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Tone & Style

Trisha’s unfiltered, comedic, and often chaotic energy drives the show while Oscar’s (Jess) pop culture expertise keeps discussions on track. The tone is conversational, irreverent, and deeply internet-savvy, balancing hot gossip with personal reflection and a self-deprecating wit.

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Useful for Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode is a must-listen if:

• You follow internet/pop culture drama and want a behind-the-scenes on VidCon, the Ballinger fallout, or the Dobrik/Wittek saga
• You love Trisha’s signature mix of deep-cut YouTube lore, honest takes on influencer scandals, and rambly fun
• You want a focused yet entertaining breakdown of recent TikTok controversies, celebrity nostalgia, and Gen Z/Millennial internet culture
• You enjoy thoughtful, comedic discussion on apology culture, cancel culture, and creator accountability

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• Standard hellos/goodbyes—jump to timestamped content above for the juice!

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Rating: 5/5 for drama, inside info, and classic Trisha energy.

Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Jess]

Want to die?

[Trisha Paytas]

But I can imagine the one you like. No, no. The one I like. Matt Bomber. No, he wasn't Superman.

[Jess]

He was almost Superman. Matt Bomer.

[Trisha Paytas]

But he was gay.

[Jess]

Yes. The way you said that. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Her name is. She's got the filthy rich.

[Jess]

Yay. Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Woo. It's the weekend. I don't know what your weekend plans are, but mine is to party hardy in London. What's that face?

[Jess]

Thursday.

[Trisha Paytas]

Thursday.

[Moses]

Happy weekend.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is the weekend under Trish Law is that everyone has off on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. It's the weekend. It's Thursday. That's the time everyone has parties in la. That's the time everything's happening. It's the freaking weekend. So take your day off tomorrow. Tell them. Trish said I can take my day off and get paid for it.

[Jess]

Oh. Period.

[Trisha Paytas]

See if that works.

[Jess]

Trishocracy, everybody.

[Trisha Paytas]

Trish Ocracy. One day that may be reality, but if you want to hop over to London, I'll be there on Sunday performing at the Royal Albert hall with my new hit song Sarang Hae live in the flesh. And I'm very excited to sing it live. I feel like people are doubting my live singing skills when I tell you I've never had more confidence with a string quartet. By the way, this is going to be Saranghae with a string quartet, a Union Jack dress. It's going to be just all over the place, but so good. I'm so, so excited about it and I've actually never had more confidence in ever performing a song. So I'm really excited. So first, first, wear Alba Hall. And then maybe we'll go to the. Is It Music Box. Is that where we're headed? Yeah. Music Box.

[Jess]

And then Studio Tune.

[Trisha Paytas]

Studio Tune. Mama Mama Awards. I'm gonna be at all of that, so love you guys and thank you for all of Sarang. Sarangh. And I'm really excited about life. I'm so excited about life. I just had a burger and fries. Nothing gets better than that. Really. Nothing is better than that. Although I did find. I have no idea. Well, I do know where it came from, but I was like, I forgot this was in here. It's real.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why do I have it just laying in there? What was this for? Because remember all the birthday parties? I was supposed to be like, we were tipping. Well, I was tipping on Zell because I didn't think I had the cash.

[Moses]

I think that's why.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it's like leprechauns.

[Moses]

It was bad. And Disney, we had both for both. We had cash.

[Trisha Paytas]

Atms don't even bring out this much. I usually don't carry this much with me. I don't know where this came from. I know where it came from, but I just had to get put back here in my little pocket. It's usually in my wallet. Anyways, there's that. And.

[Jess]

What's in my bag? That's the title.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, look at this. What's this one? What's this emotion? You know, anxiety. Stop.

[Jess]

Is that anxiety?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's from inside out. Is it?

[Jess]

I think that's anxiety, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it's my. Is it?

[Jess]

She's orange.

[Moses]

I mean, it definitely looks anxious.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. Oh, I like the bottom of the mouth. Did you know that? That is cool. We got that from Disneyland. Disneyland last week. And it was for Elvis birthday because Elvis birthday is the day I performed the Royal Parlor. She's supposed to be coming with us

[Moses]

and she declined to perform.

[Trisha Paytas]

She stayed by herself. Everyone was supposed to be coming with us. But I know, you know, yesterday Malibu told me that.

[Jess]

Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cause she's helping me with my intermission video for my little cartoon, my little animation shout out Lou Wizzle for my UK show. And I needed her as being the queen and reincarnate. I needed a little cameo from her. And so she did the video. She like recorded it or whatever. And then she's like, when am I gonna perform? And then I was like, well, maybe not this show, the next one. And she goes, okay, but like, you can't be on stage with me. And I was like, oh, okay. Just solo act. So I Think she's gonna be ready by Trishmiss for sure. I mean, she's ready now. I just don't know if she can. I can bring over to England by myself. Might be difficult, but anyways, especially if I'm performing, it's like, well, I mean,

[Moses]

she has her royal box waiting for her there.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a good point. Well, and maybe we'll have to go back.

[Jess]

She got the vocals to do golden, that's for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

She really does. She really is. She can do Golden Takedown. She can do. She does the wrapping part really well. I was gonna perform the Takedown on or I was gonna perform it. I was gonna post it, but Elvis had a little meltdown. She had a poodle skirt, too. Everyone's like, where's the poodle skirt? Going back to my dad's 1950s theme party. There was a poodle skirt on Elvis. We took it off because by the time, like, there was snow cones dropping on it and stuff like that. But the original. The Takedown was the first one, and Elvis got a little stage right at the beginning. But then she worked it up.

[Moses]

Not even that. She just. It was just a normal sibling thing. She was just standing next to Malibu,

[Trisha Paytas]

and she was like, yeah, Malibu was

[Moses]

standing, and she was just standing next to her.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was, like, recording her, and she's like, ah. So she's like, anyway, I don't want

[Moses]

to leave the stage, but there's that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Great day, though. Great week. It was a great week. How was your week?

[Jess]

Pretty good. I mean, we're filming this so early, so it's still, like, the week, but

[Trisha Paytas]

so far it's been great. Well, I can't speak for you, I guess.

[Jess]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So.

[Jess]

You're so good.

[Trisha Paytas]

You look great.

[Jess]

Oh, thanks.

[Trisha Paytas]

You look like a K pop idol. Over here. You have the stars, you have the shirt. This is new, this new outfit. I haven't seen you wear this before.

[Jess]

Pants. I feel like I've worn a little bit. This shirt. I just needed to throw something on. It was one of those days where I was like, let me just put something big on so I could feel teeny tiny.

[Trisha Paytas]

You are.

[Jess]

It's swallowing me up.

[Trisha Paytas]

You are being sw. I feel that way, too. I'm like, let me say crisscross applesauce to show how tiny I feel. This is the representation of how small it feels when you just feel like. I'm just so cold and cozy.

[Jess]

It is a little chilly, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Maybe that's why Moses just cranks up the air so I Feel tiny.

[Jess]

He's like, oh, you're just waist.

[Moses]

Because when it's cold, things shrink so it gets a bit smaller.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what they say about pen. Is that true?

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

When it gets cold, it shrieks.

[Moses]

Well, I think specifically if you're in a cold water, like, if you're.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. You said testes. You said what?

[Moses]

No, I'm just saying that's just cold outside. But if you're, like, in a cold water, like, just, like, it shrivels up everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

It goes backwards.

[Jess]

It goes inside.

[Trisha Paytas]

Inside what?

[Jess]

Like the testies go into the body.

[Moses]

It's like the movie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, really? And it's the opposite when it's hot.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Saggy.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Because it has to stay a certain temperature. And so if it's. Your body's too hot, it moves away from your body so it can cool down.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Jess]

And they're swinging.

[Trisha Paytas]

I hate it. I hate the idea of that. Actually, I do hate a ball sack. That is for sure. Well, we're starting off strong with burger and fries, and I'm thinking about ball sacks. I'm like, what? I hate it so much. Did you have anything good to eat? Oh, you did. You had fried rice this morning.

[Jess]

Yeah, it sounds delicious. This morning I just woke up hungry. I don't know. I just woke up and the fried rice was out on the counter. I think Darian also had some before he left because we had fried rice last night.

[Trisha Paytas]

Listen to your body. It knows what you need.

[Jess]

Exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Where'd you have it from?

[Jess]

Volcano. Shout out.

[Trisha Paytas]

What is Volcano? She had it from Panihana, but. Okay. What's volcano?

[Jess]

I don't even know if they deliver to me. It's kind of far, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you're closer. You're closer to it than us. I think they deliver.

[Jess]

They deliver to you?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no, but they used to. I used to deliver when. I guess you're. Yeah.

[Jess]

And also, I'm excited to try the Trish Trio, but I did run into the debacle of. The only protein I like out of the Trio is chicken. So my. Can I order the Justice Trio, but all chicken.

[Trisha Paytas]

Does Darian like the steak or something?

[Jess]

Like, he likes all three, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Perfect. You could do a little split. Yeah, my dad does that, too. His wife eats. Well, she eats a steak and he eats the chicken and shrimp. Actually, the girls do it, too. Malibu eats the steak and Elvis eats the shrimp.

[Jess]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I take that chicken, so it is a perfect meal, too. I don't know how long it's gonna Be there. Someone had asked me. I'm like, I don't know. I hope it's there when we're in Vegas. I'm not really sure, but I think it'll be. I don't know. Yeah, you gotta try it.

[Moses]

Does any of you like steak specifically or.

[Jess]

I don't eat steak that often, but I'm not opposed to it.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't eat steak?

[Jess]

No, I don't eat red meat that often.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. You never like burgers?

[Jess]

I never. I just not that often. It's not like my favorite thing in the world.

[Trisha Paytas]

When do you eat a red meat burgers?

[Jess]

But most of the time for, like at a burger place. I'll get like a turkey or a chicken breast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Save the cows.

[Jess]

Sure. That's my. Is that why Billie Eilish, you and

[Trisha Paytas]

her together or you just don't like

[Jess]

the taste of chicken? Mostly a texture thing, I guess. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's the texture?

[Jess]

What's wrong with the texture? It's very meaty. It's very meaty and, like very red.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. We like the little crispy chickens in Panda Express. We like them. We don't like. He doesn't like those fatty chickens either. Where it has too much chickens. Well, that's why you like banihana. They'll cut them really small for you

[Jess]

and they make it nice. And that's why I think I would like a Benihana or like a hibachi.

[Trisha Paytas]

Little. Do you like Little spice? No. You don't? You don't like a little spice?

[Jess]

The two widest things about me are I don't like spice. Like, I'm very sensitive to spicy. Even like a lot of pepper. I'm like, ooh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, really?

[Jess]

That's the most Caucasian thing about me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Jess]

And second is I like golden retrievers, which I feel like are very Caucasian as well, but I am.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, is it? I didn't know.

[Jess]

I think so. Because I look at like Joey Graceffa and Daniel Prada and they love golden retrievers too. Actually, they. I influenced them, for the record, because Joey and Daniel saw my golden retriever

[Trisha Paytas]

and then they wanted one, so they went your way.

[Jess]

Yeah. So they actually appropriated. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Your. Your culture. Okay. I was like, we could start a story.

[Jess]

Daniel Freda appropriated my Cuban and Peruvian culture by going.

[Trisha Paytas]

The most Cuban thing about you.

[Jess]

Probably my attitude.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really? Wait, I want to know more. I don't know about Cuban culture. Educate. What is it? Is it like, what's the attitude?

[Jess]

I just feel like it's kind of like stereotypical and also like, my family tells me this, but I don't know how actually accurate it is to the culture. But it's very much like the fieriness and, like, sass. Kind of like it goes from 0 to 100 really quick.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are you like that?

[Jess]

It's so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

I never see that side of you.

[Jess]

You've seen it a few times on this program.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay. Yeah. That I could see. But it's always warranted. It's always.

[Jess]

Yeah, Yeah, I think so, too. I'm not, like, haphazard about it, but definitely it pops out. It definitely pops.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who's your favorite Cuban celebrity?

[Jess]

Probably I. I want to say Daniella from Cat's Eye. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you get the sweatshirt with the.

[Jess]

No, because camouflage, remember? Hers is camo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why? I mean, I think you have to.

[Jess]

If you.

[Trisha Paytas]

If you're both Cuban. I would be like, heck, yeah. Look, we got the same flag. I think you would look good in camera. You don't think you would, but I think it would look great.

[Jess]

Maybe I'll try to get it on like Mercari or something, I guess. But I feel like it's probably so expensive now. Also, shout out, because Cat's side tickets go on sale today when this airs, but I was trying to de Influence myself to not getting them because I'm like, I just saw them twice last year. They're releasing a new ep, but that's just like five new. Five or six new songs. So I'm like, oh, it's just five or six new songs. Like, I've already seen them perform everything else, but I don't think I can, like, resist. I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think the new songs are worth it. Five new songs?

[Jess]

I think so. I mean, we already love Pinky up, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's a good one. And new dance, maybe go in there. Do they bring people on stage, you guys?

[Jess]

It'll be a new toy. And they're doing. They did theaters last year, now they're doing arenas. So maybe they'll bring someone up like a. Let's have a little bit.

[Trisha Paytas]

You need to be in the pit.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You didn't need to be like, this is what I can do.

[Jess]

Yeah, I'm going to be in the pit.

[Moses]

Did they reach out to you at all?

[Jess]

Who?

[Moses]

Kai?

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Why? Do you know something I don't? Every time you say something, I'm always like, I know. I was like, what?

[Moses]

No, I mean, you're charting above them now or Something thought maybe they'll.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, what song am I charting? What song of theirs is on the charts that I'm charting? What's, like, an old song of theirs, probably. I'm sure, like, pinky up is, like, in the first top five or something.

[Jess]

They also don't sing in Korean, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, that part. Yeah. I was like, wait, what?

[Moses]

That's what I'm saying. Maybe they want to, like, a real K pop.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do they not sing at all in Korean?

[Jess]

No, they've done Korean cover. Like, when they go to Korea, they've done Korean song covers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Jess]

But Yunchae is the only one that's Korean out of the five now, or.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but they can all learn it. It's for everybody to.

[Jess]

Yeah, because they've covered Korean songs.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, all of them sing it. Love that. Me and. Me and Katsai. Maybe I'll join. I would absolutely love to. My favorite Cuban is Ricky Ricardo. Des Arnaz. Sorry, why did I say Ricardo?

[Jess]

My mom loves.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was such a good representation. Right? Did she think so?

[Jess]

I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Your mom is Cuban?

[Jess]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like he was. And for the time, like, 1950s, having, like, you know, a Cuban, like, man as the lead of a sitcom, I mean, that's kind of unheard of. Right. I feel like that was, like, a big deal. I feel like no one talks about that enough. I mean, I know that's, like, iconic. We, like, love Lucy, but that's kind of crazy. And he had an accent and everything, and.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it was always cutesy. I always felt like they did it in, like, a cutesy way. You know, you watch Glee and it's, like, wildly offensive. Yeah. And you're just like, oh, my God, what is. What is happening? But.

[Moses]

And the fact that we watch it and still enjoy it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I Love Lucy. We love it. We did a parody of it. I just, like. I loved it so much. And he. I guess he cheated on her, but other than that. But that was in real life, not the show. Oh, t. Okay, so I'll go with my answer. My first answer of Ricky Ricardo and not Desi Arness, Although he probably seems fine, too. Doesn't matter. It was back in the 50s. That's my hot topic for today, is

[Jess]

that I love Lucy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love Lucy. You watch it.

[Jess]

When I was young, my mom would have it on, so I would, I guess, watch it. Yeah. Passively.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were never like.

[Jess]

I was never like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I thought it was a great one. You guys go to patreon. Patreon.com JessChurch I can't wait to go over to Oscar's house. Are we still doing it?

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so excited. I know. I was like, we had lunch with my sister and she, what are you doing the rest days? She's like, I'm gonna take a nap. She, what are you doing? I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do a podcast and I'm gonna go to Oscar's house and do a house tour. And she was like, so gay. She's like, I want to. To come. And I was like, well, everyone just come over to see your house. I'm so excited. I love it. Is it 90 done? 80, 50? I'm fine with either 10.

[Jess]

I think it's about maybe 75%. I. It's kind of like new. It's like very neutral core right now. So I'm a little insecure about that because I know everyone's gonna be like, so neutral core. Like, it's, you know, beige mama tease. But we have to warm it up and that's going to come in like the art and stuff. But we're. That has to be like an end of the road kind of thing because we don't agree on like art stuff at all. To me, I'm just like, I don't know, as you know, since you married an artist.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Jess]

But they just a completely different eye to me. I'm just like, yeah, that looks cute. It has like, you know, an animal or something. It looks fun. And he's like, I don't know what it means. Like this too extra. I'm like, it doesn't matter. Like, I like that there's a damn whale in it. Like, can we just hang it up on the wall?

[Trisha Paytas]

Could you imagine? Mug says that about like me as my art pieces. He's like, I don't really get what.

[Jess]

Oh, yeah, the Holotrich.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, just me everywhere. And upstairs too. It's either water or me.

[Moses]

We're the opposite. Because I. I'm the one hanging up all of her.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's not true.

[Moses]

It wasn't for me, her artwork wouldn't be on the wall.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. That is true. But There are like 55 mix tiles ready to hang. And I'm like, oh, can we hang these? You're like, I gotta find the right spot. And I'm like, but like, you just put them on a wall. Like, that's not that we're bit different there, where I'm just like, just plop it on a wall. He's like, no, you gotta like find the right spots for him. So we have like.

[Moses]

She walks in, he's like, wow, that's so.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do love when you do it, but I want you to do it

[Moses]

with all of them. Even when you do the mixtles on the walls, like on the stairs, it's like all different sizes and shapes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses]

So it comes.

[Trisha Paytas]

We can add more to it.

[Moses]

It's. It comes again. The same thing. It's not about that. It's about time. Like I just need a day to hang out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I'm leaving to England tomorrow, so maybe. And the big Bridgerton picture. Everyone loves that one too. We just, you know, there's us everywhere really. But then you have Moses's water. Maybe we'll do a. Maybe we'll do a house tour. We'll go do a little bit of our art tour. We can show the water. Our tour is fun. We have some flower paintings we just bought from your friend. That was fun.

[Moses]

Used to like in Venice, when they lived in Venice, they have a art tour and they do that. Like you just walk through different artists studios and places and it's all about the art.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, next time we need a Patreon, we can do a little art tour. We can do a battle of the art tour. It's not battle, not like, but like one day an art tour for yours. Maybe save the art. I guess it's not up yet. So maybe save the heart tour.

[Jess]

Yeah, that'll.

[Trisha Paytas]

For part two.

[Jess]

Yeah, that'll be a ways away for our side anyway.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh really? Oh you're not even.

[Jess]

We don't. I ordered one so far but it's from my bathroom so I had complete jurisdiction.

[Trisha Paytas]

The whale?

[Jess]

Yeah, it's like a whale piece. Art piece. Oh yeah. So I had complete control over that one. But everywhere else that's like a neutral area. It. It's like we debate it and then we talk it through and then we don't come to a decision because like we can't fully agree yet. But we're getting there.

[Moses]

But that's what. When we both agree on something, we know it's really good tea.

[Jess]

And we've had that with furniture, luckily, but we have that with art. Yeah.

[Moses]

So we just. We just wait until we both love something. Absolutely.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then. Yeah, you're pretty cool with mine. Like sometimes I just come home from like Michael's with like a British and art and he's like, okay, this is cool. Pretty cool with it and your art.

[Moses]

I'm like, can make it work?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you can make it work. I Do love that. Like, I'll make that work.

[Moses]

Is Darian gonna be there for the art too, for the house tour today?

[Jess]

No, he's at work and he doesn't get home till so late. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so sad. I wanted to get home till like

[Jess]

eight these days because he works. He works downtown la, so he's got that commute. I know it's hard.

[Moses]

I mean.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Pretty much 7:00am to 7:00pm yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. Downtown.

[Moses]

One day. Maybe there's a holiday or something. We'll do a house tour with Darian gives the house tour and I'm the Lord. It's a very different one, so I'll be the one.

[Jess]

Very different.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. Like just like here's the.

[Moses]

Your tour and then we'll see our tour.

[Trisha Paytas]

You just show me your Labubus. They show like the architecture.

[Jess]

Boo boos have been excommunicated. I fear they're in the garage. They were actually banned. They were banned from the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who banned them?

[Jess]

Take a guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

Darian. Oh my God.

[Jess]

Banned the Labubus?

[Moses]

Yeah. You need the little men cave for your trinket.

[Jess]

Well, even that has to go through boards and rounds of approval.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tight ship over there. Oh my gosh.

[Jess]

Cuz my office will be like the drink it area.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cute and.

[Jess]

But that's kind of like the last room that we're like planning for. And it'll have to be rounds of approval for. For what gets placed on the shelves as well. Yeah, he runs a tight ship.

[Trisha Paytas]

Obviously. I bet your house looks amazing, though. Our house is like very chaotic. There is just like different themes in every room.

[Jess]

But yeah, he used to be right. This sounds crazy coming from me, but he used to be the maximalist one and I was the minimalist one in the apartment.

[Trisha Paytas]

What happened?

[Jess]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

He flipped.

[Jess]

He. I still think I'm fairly minimal, but I'm like. I saw like a little bit of whimsy. A lot of the Emma Chamberlain west collection.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jess]

But I had a. The pigeon picture from Emma Chamberlain. Almost didn't make the cut.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like there's a. Oh, the picture. The picture of the picture that I

[Jess]

love and bought on a whim without his.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that one too. I bought it after you. I was like, we need that. I love it.

[Jess]

A little bit of whimsy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you get the cups? Like the apple cups and the cups?

[Jess]

Because

[Trisha Paytas]

in your office outside the pool. You know what I mean? Like, I know. I got them delivered and was like, what are these? But then you were using it you were using the little bird cup. Do you have a picture of it? Have you using it? You should do it for B roll. It was cute. He was. And I was like, all right, I see you like it Sometimes he's like,

[Moses]

I don't know about drink water.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Emma Chamberlain vanity was backward to August, and now it's October again. Like, how does it keep getting back where. I kind of don't want it in October.

[Jess]

I know. I. I ordered the Emma Chamberlain fruit bowl that had like little bird feet.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, we did too.

[Jess]

And that. And I ordered it the day it came out. And it's back ordered until tbd and then I ordered like a towel from the Emma Chamberlain. I love this Emma Chamberlain collection. I really tried.

[Moses]

That's why it's all setting out, because the two of you every episode, but

[Trisha Paytas]

you did it right away.

[Moses]

Every episode. You bring her up.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. Well, I do love it.

[Jess]

And I'm at 8 with that. Like, I don't know what to say. I'm not gonna lie.

[Trisha Paytas]

We had the bed. We should show him the bed too. We have the bed in our guest room. It's not even for us. I was just like, I need that bed.

[Jess]

Honestly, if we didn't get like our beds before we even moved in, I probably would have got that damn bed.

[Trisha Paytas]

I really liked it with the. The built in nightstands. We have it. And I was like, she ate with that collection.

[Jess]

It was too good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it is a good one. I know. And I ordered something for myself from you, but I figure it's probably on backward. Did you get anything yet?

[Jess]

Nothing has been like, hinting that he has been in cahoots with you over something. Not even hinting. I think once we. Once you said on here that you talked to him about measurements, he was like. He's been kind of like prancing around with a little, like a little knowledge.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I'll keep in touch with him about it. Because I was like, so annoyed. It said it was supposed to be delivered like the next week. And then I was like, now it's like, back ordered again. I was like. And I have two things coming. I'm like, what's up, West Elm? Thank you so much to oh Positive for sponsoring today's episode of Just Trish. I am so happy that oh Positive has come in to my life and now hopefully to yours. Okay. Because vaginal health and hormonal health are something that we all face as women. And sometimes we're a little shy to talk about. But let's not be Shy about it anymore. Okay, we all have. It doesn't matter. It could be pregnancy, it could be menopause, it can be getting your first period, your last period. It could be just sweating at the gym, wearing clothing that's too tight. It all affects our vaginal health and there is nothing wrong with that at all. Okay. But sometimes we may want to feel a little more confident and that's why I love their new Uro probiotics. I am obsessed with these. I don't know why I wasn't taking these sooner. I just feel that I smell better down there, tastes better down there and so much more. So if you have been looking for different products to help with your vaginal health, I would highly suggest O Positive. I talked about the Euro wash before, which I really love down there as well. I was just using like soap up there and I'm kind of like, oh no, that can also mess up your ph. I also really like the vaginal moisture and mood for vaginal relaxation. Mood relaxation. Relaxation, really. But all this stuff has been really great and has been really making me feel better overall. Just also just with my in my own body just feeling it, you just know sometimes you get that discharge and I'd go to like a doctor and be like, what is this discharge is a uti, a yeast infection. I've also been loving these vaginal moisture and mood for mood relaxation and overall it just helped me feel better in my body. Sometimes I would get some discharge and I'd go to a doctor thinking it was a yeast infection or uti, when really it was just an imbalance that my body had to internally figure out and with by probiotics I have been noticing definitely less discharge and less odor down there. So if this is something that you've been going through or trying to figure out how to get through, I might suggest the O positive and the Euro branded products. Euro is a probiotic blend specifically formulated to support vaginal health, balance healthy vaginal ph, support healthy vaginal smell and maintain healthy vaginal flora. When taken two capsules a day, Euro delivers noticeable benefits within eight weeks. Many see results sooner. I saw mine in six weeks. Many customers have talked about how they've improved their vaginal health that led to greater confidence as well as better sex and intimacy. And I can also also attest to that as well. So if you want to smell amazing, have greater comfort and a better confidence, check out Euro today. Take proactive care of your health and head to o positive.com trish or enter Trish at checkout for 25% off your first purchase. That's O P O S I T I V.com Trish for 25% off. Thank you so much to O Positive for sponsoring today's episode of Just Trish. Remember those art pieces back in the day, the IKEA bridge? No, you don't. Every influencer had this picture. It's like a foggy bridge.

[Jess]

Did Kelly Krista have that?

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like Joey. I feel like Grace.

[Jess]

Was it like a. The wooden bridge? Yes, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it, like, went into the abyss in, like, fog. And everybody had this.

[Jess]

Had that in his apartment.

[Trisha Paytas]

And everyone just thought they were, like, so cool with this IKEA bridge. And I was like, I don't know. I guess back in the day, I guess IKEA art was kind of the. The thing that people got.

[Jess]

I know. Especially you in that era, like, seeing YouTubers having the same thing. Like that ugly bridge.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think Luca had it. Yeah. And I was like, everyone's just buying the same. But to be fair, even looking back, so I can look back, I'm like, yeah, I was just. It was ugly.

[Moses]

It was ugly.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it was like this bridge. Everyone, I think Smosh had. I mean, everyone had this ugly bridge. And it's from Ikea. And I like, no, no shade to Arikia. But I was just like, what? Why. Why were we all getting this same piece of art? I guess people just didn't know.

[Jess]

That is weird. I guess influencers, even before they were called influencers, I'm sure one YouTuber had it in their room, and everyone was like, oh, that's cool. Where'd you get it?

[Trisha Paytas]

D influenced me. You know who else had the ugliest art? I'm not trying to be shady, but maybe I just mean. Mean. Okay, I won't. Artist. It's probably. I know, no shade to the artist, but maybe. Maybe it's shady. Well, I'll just say the influencer that had ugly art. But also, look, art is. Art is. Yeah, it could be fine to some people. And I respect all artists. Okay? Not everyone probably loves a picture of Trish on their wall. You know what I mean? Maybe not everyone loves a picture of water on their wall. We love it, but it's not for everyone. And maybe because I have a bias to this person too, but I was going through my memoir photos, and I was like, oh, I'm just gonna post this picture. Like, no one. No one will, like, know. You know, it just showed, like, my platinum blonde hair and me being, like, passed out or whatever like that. So I was Like, I'm gonna show this as a representation of this. And everyone clocked it. And like, why are you posting a picture in David Dobrik's house or whatever? And it was this picture. Do you remember? I won't say this one's up, but it was like. It was like this green. It's behind me. Let me see if I. Do. I have my. Can you hear my phone? Obviously. Oh. What?

[Jess]

In that damn bag.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, why is a purse here? I have it. What? Did I throw it somewhere?

[Moses]

Probably on the chair there. I think you're doing the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Am I sitting on it? I'm always sitting on. Let me see. Wait, What? Did you give it to me at some point? Oh, my gosh. Okay.

[Moses]

No, you didn't give it to me.

[Trisha Paytas]

I am so confused. Where is it?

[Moses]

Probably over there. Probably on the other chair.

[Jess]

Purse out on the big pink chair there.

[Moses]

Hundreds of dollars everywhere.

[Jess]

Hundreds.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Oh, there's my sunglasses. Oh, there are the Gucci ones. Okay, all right. Sorry, everybody. Okay, all right. What am I looking for?

[Moses]

Your phone. You just found it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, oh, oh, oh, okay. So sorry. Oh, my God. My bank card, too. Okay, let me just get this on. I'm so sorry. I. I promise I have it together. Can't throw some hundreds.

[Moses]

That's how you wonder how something ended up somewhere. This is the situation.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. That is so real.

[Moses]

Next time it's going to be how this get here.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I don't know how any of this stuff is.

[Moses]

Like I said, I did see Elvis and going through your bag. We did the other day. We're just picking stuff up.

[Trisha Paytas]

They were taking stuff out. Yeah, well, there's the answer then. That's the leprechauns. Okay, so sorry, everybody.

[Moses]

They are the leprechauns.

[Trisha Paytas]

They kind of are, huh? They're like the same size as leprechaun. No shaded leprechaun. Okay, let's see. You know.

[Jess]

Is that Zayn? Is that Zane? Zane Hijazi.

[Moses]

It looks like the guy that cut his ear off from here.

[Jess]

Is that Zane Hijashi.

[Trisha Paytas]

What? He has red hair. It's worse Scotty sire than Zayn.

[Moses]

I think it's mango.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's not the picture. That's not the picture.

[Jess]

That's not what? Hasan Piker.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he in the vlog squad?

[Moses]

He was on that way. Did you ever go to a psychologist and they show you those ink things and like that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Hassan, that's so funny. That's your interpretation.

[Jess]

Who was that?

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you mean?

[Jess]

Is that famous?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Oh, my God. It's like. I don't know who it is. Babe, tell him. Who is that person?

[Moses]

I think it's Van Gogh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. You said it. You said it. Okay. Why? Huh? Oh, well, it doesn't even matter, I guess. Dang it. It was just like a art piece. I was ugly. Okay? Yeah. It was not cute. It was like a red car on like grass. And it was like an animal type of like David Dobrik art. Because he, like, loved it. He would, like, show it off to everyone. But, like, also I feel like the artists are probably nice people. And I apologize. I think it's just I don't like him.

[Jess]

Allow his house tour. Thumbnail looks a lot like mine.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, did you know that?

[Jess]

No, that was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, here. Wait, what? I have like a weird screenshot of it. Okay, that's odd. Well, you can kind of see it behind me. Do you remember that one? And it was expensive. It was like on acrylic. Wait, what? He would show everybody this art piece.

[Jess]

How do. He never showed me that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were you at his house? Oh, I believe that you would be. He always had, like, weird stuff at his house. But people knew. People also recognized. I had a crop. I was cropping the dog for privacy reasons. But people recognized this floor.

[Jess]

Oh, gee, I wonder.

[Trisha Paytas]

Isn't that great? And I cropped the dog.

[Jess]

Cause I didn't wanna like, you know, you're in drag.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but like, how do they know whose house I was in?

[Jess]

That was like the most obvious thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Jess]

Yes. I mean, Whitney Levitt was in that damn house after on Mormon wise with a remodel. And people still clocked.

[Trisha Paytas]

People did. I guess it's just the tiles that people recognize.

[Jess]

Yeah. And also, I think you and the cosplay also adds to the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Would you have known that one?

[Jess]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yeah, I guess the cloud couch was in there too, so people thought maybe. I don't know. But also, I don't look like that now. I don't know why people are like, why are you posting pictures in David's house? What do you mean? Like, I don't look like that.

[Jess]

That is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

People are. Are wild. Do you remember this? Do you remember this apartment?

[Jess]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was that big couch from Living Spaces.

[Jess]

Yes, I remember that one because I watched all your, like, night tutorials. I think you did a Halloween night tutorial and you watched, like, scary movies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. This is where I first found you on this couch. We would watch Strawberry 17. This is where we have the viewing parties. Gigi would come over and, like, there was a rebrand from Strawberry. And it was like. But honestly, we were living for. Even though it's like, yeah, at the time, maybe we were trying to be, like, a little bit, like, whatever, amongst friends, but at the same time, we were seated whenever she, like, we're rebranding the channel. I was like, this kind of everything, kind of smart. Honestly. Strawberry17, I love you so much. And honestly, you were ahead of your time.

[Jess]

She kind of was, right? She was giving, like, smosh teas before

[Trisha Paytas]

100%, and she would, like, roll out these launches, like, rebrand in, like, three days, everybody. And you were just, like, so seated for it, too. And I feel like more people. More people need to rebrand, honestly. Like, I feel like some people just need. When people do the same thing over and over. Who are you talking about? The other day? And we're like, she needs a rebrand. Who was that? Was it a she or he? Do you remember? No.

[Moses]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, why'd you laugh? Not talk about him. Who was it?

[Moses]

You say the name and ukulele.

[Jess]

Oh,

[Trisha Paytas]

but she's, like, doing the same thing. I'm like, I don't know if this was working for you, then I don't know if we need. I think we need a rebrand and something in some capacity. Right. If you want to be like, I'm a different person, like, just do something a little different. Not the exact same things. And you're just like, we're still doing this. You know what I mean? It doesn't work for anyone, even Smosh. It's like, you just have to reinvent,

[Jess]

add some characters in, you know, add

[Trisha Paytas]

some characters or take some characters out. You know what I mean? Literally, it's just like, you know, I don't know. But anyways, who am I to judge anyone's rebrand? You've rebranded a lot. You've rubbed a lot in this podcast, I feel you've rebranded from what?

[Jess]

To what?

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, you having no brands.

[Moses]

To having brands.

[Trisha Paytas]

What? Brains kind of tea. You say no brains. Having brains.

[Moses]

Brands. You're talking about brands.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, brains. I literally said brains. I was like, what? That's true. You are brand safe, but you've always been brand safe. Yeah.

[Jess]

Like a blank canvas, so that definitely helps.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were a blank canvas, I think. Yeah. You. We talked about, when we were reflecting on early episodes, you were not even trying to be seen cutting yourself out.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And now you are. Sometimes you lead. You lead a charge a lot of the times, and I love it, as usual. I love I defer 100. I'd be like, Oscar, you go off. You know what I mean? Because would love to support it, but also a little scared. So I'm like, you know. You know how they say, like, right message, wrong messenger. So it's like, if I have a message, we send it through Oscar. Oscar, who's part of the Just Trish lore. But people respect Oscar because obviously you have no messiness to you. But we share the same sentiment, so we just kind of funnel it through. You know what I mean? If it's the right message, otherwise it's not gonna come through Oscar. But I just support. You know what I mean? I always support.

[Jess]

I love when you read. I do love a classic Unfiltered flow state. Trisha Reid.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's really gotta come from within. It's gotta and not stop.

[Jess]

Yeah, that's my favorite.

[Trisha Paytas]

But maybe. Yeah. I mean, James Charles.

[Jess]

Yeah. It brings back the classic, like, Trish 20 minute. Just like going off video, like, with the person's name in the title. Very much. Like 13 reasons why. Everyone gets their letter.

[Trisha Paytas]

130 reasons why. So many tapes. Yeah.

[Jess]

But in a more coherent.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is so crazy. Because 100. If things would have gone south, there was. There was a trail. You know what I mean? Like, this is. This is why, you know, that show was dark. I remember watching that in that apartment. That 13 reasons why. And that was. And everyone was kind of like, obsessed with it.

[Jess]

I'm like, I was obsessed with that.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were obsessed with this, with it. Dark.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But people were, like, gay. I feel like they showed a lot. It was very graphic.

[Jess]

Was that Netflix that was like one of the first big Netflix originals. Yeah, I think Stranger things, technically. But 13 reasons why. I was like, pretty close behind it. That was how I discovered Billie Eilish. Because Ocean Eyes was on the 13 Reasons why soundtrack.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Jess]

Yep.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was her big break or what?

[Jess]

Ocean Eyes was her first song and then it was on the 13 Reasons why soundtrack. And I remember Billie was at the premiere for that and 13 Reasons why. Because it was produced by Selena Gomez. That's how it got like, such a big, like, push, because she was, like, doing the press for it.

[Trisha Paytas]

They had such good content. They kind of went south with the Vial Files. What was the show called? Age Gap.

[Jess]

Oh, Netflix.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah. Selena Gomez producing that. Nick Valle sent me a dm. Was like, do you want to call on the podcast? I'm like, do you watch what I mean, either he knows nothing about me, which is like, no. Or does. And just. I Don't know. It was very. Because were we talking about him? I think I said it in the group chat. I was like. Or maybe I didn't. I don't know. I just saw it.

[Jess]

And I was like, Jimmy said he must not see it when he edited. Throwing tomatoes at him every time it comes up. Which is so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. I think he doesn't watch. I'm just like, what if. I'm just like, okay, just like, go on. Weird, weird question. Moses was showing me something of Nick Vile. Was it recent or. It's just like a. He had. Was a therapist. He had on.

[Moses]

She's a couple therapists and she's pretty big on TikTok. Her clips will come up and she's very like calm, minimal. You know, she likes. She's really good. And he was asking her a question and the whole tick tock wasn't even her answering the question. It was just him asking a question for two solid minutes. Because he was just like, keep answering himself and talking.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'll do it. I'll do it. So you're like the therapist. And he was just like, okay. So like for cheating, for instance, like a lot of people, a lot of people suffer with cheating. And sometimes it's like how you overcome cheating. Like, what are. What do you recommend couples who want to overcome it, who really want to fight? Because, like, sometimes I really want to fight for it, but you just don't know if that's the right thing to do. And it's usually the guy that falls in. So what would you say to the guys? Or more so maybe the girls in the situation help understand the guys. I know with me it was one of those things and it just like. And she like kept trying to go in and just went on. Like it was for literally like two minutes. Just like he would ask question, kind of explain, ask question, answer it. I was like, what the hell? Did the girl ever. Did the lady ever answer the therapist?

[Moses]

Nothing at the end. She just says, well done, pack over there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses]

He was just. Comments were like, did she ever answer? Or like he just likes to hear himself talk.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he, I mean, arguably unbiasedly the worst interviewer. Right. Like, he's very.

[Moses]

But especially when you talk to like a therapist or a couple there, like you want to be even more sensitive.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And also like, like you're asking them a question, like you want answers of Dr. Drew's on here. I'm not gonna just like go into like. I guess maybe I might go into a little bit of my lore. But, like, you know, you kind of want to, like, hear what. What they.

[Moses]

Yeah, but it's different. That thing he said was like a story. Like, it's fine if you tell a story, something specific that happened to you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Moses]

That's one thing. He said nothing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think he was trying. I think he's going in circles because he was talking about cheating and how it's like, close to him, but also, like, not to him specifically, but, like, how do you.

[Moses]

But he literally asked a question at the beginning, like, stop, let her talk. And then he kept going. And you know when they're not even looking at you, he's like, it's weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was weird at first. I was like, watching it as it's like. And then I kept going and I was like.

[Moses]

Because I never watch him and I don't. I never know exactly what it is you don't like about him. But then I saw this.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're watching Bio files over there before you go to bed. I would love to know the demographic. And I'm not even trying to be mean. Like, let me know if you're a Vile File fan. I'm not going to judge you. Comment below your demographic, your demo. Yeah.

[Moses]

Just so we can block you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I need to know. I just would love to know, like, you know, his fan base. And I don't know because, like, it doesn't appeal to, like, family people. It doesn't appeal to, like, women. I'm sure not men either. Because he's like, like, you know, he's. He tries to. I don't know. I don't know who he appeals to.

[Moses]

Well, I would guess some men, because if that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

But no, but his, like, wife's on there with him. I don't think the man's.

[Jess]

He covers so many, like, Bravo. Like, reality, Hulu reality.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, so maybe that's what he's appealing to. Like a middle age.

[Jess]

Affiliates.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, period. Bachelor Nation. I don't know who you are, but I know they're big and mighty and strong and so I guess we're kind of Bachelor Nation a little bit over here. Is that airing the Taylor, Frankie, Paul, is it? I don't understand. Like, they're like, yes, it is. No, it's not.

[Jess]

They never said no. And they're still not saying no, but they're not saying yes. But they're not saying no.

[Moses]

Maybe she was the nail in the coffin of this show.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I think she's gonna bring the show back. I feel like everyone's gonna be rooting. They're rooting for her comeback.

[Moses]

Yeah. But as far as there's no show. That's what I'm saying.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think they're hyping it up.

[Moses]

I think they're gonna come back. Are they filming a new season?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, they're not filming.

[Moses]

That's what I'm saying. Like, nothing is happening.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nothing slotted for the fall, right?

[Jess]

Yeah. There's nothing took its place because usually

[Moses]

there's a flow from one show to the next.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Moses]

A person. Now there's nothing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's gonna. I think they're gonna air, and I think it's gonna make a lot of money. I like her. She bought a house.

[Jess]

She did buy a house. She is still a little bit all over the place, but I'm. I'm wishing her the best.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. I feel like we all are rooting for a comeback.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's been given a lot of chances.

[Jess]

Yeah. Like, she keeps picking fights with everybody. She set her sights on Michaela. She's at her side. No, Michaela Matthews from Mormon. She set her sights on Macy. More recently, we cover.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which one did we cover?

[Jess]

Michaela versus Taylor was like, last week.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, what's the Macy one?

[Jess]

Now Macy has been brought into the fold because Macy kind of defended Michaela a little bit. And the gist, the tldr, was Michaela, and talking about her experience with Taylor was, like, made a comparison about, like, her sickness with, like, with how people who are victims of DV can, you know, recover. And then Taylor found that offensive. But then Macy spoke up. She's like, as someone who has, like, spoken. As someone who wrote a book and talked about, like, dv, like, I. I think her analogy made sense. And then Taylor was like, actually, no, because you are a victim of dv. You should. You should know better. And then.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Okay, Taylor, let's not. I hate when people do that.

[Jess]

Taylor was, like, reposting stuff about, like, how Michaela can't speak about anything because she's still with Jace, who. Who groomed her at a young age, so. And Macy was like, you shouldn't be reposting that Taylor. And then Taylor unfollowed Macy and also Michaela. Yeah, everything's kind of following Falling Apart girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like, let people just be. She has, like, more smoke for these girls. And Dakota, you also stay with Dakota for a very long time. Like, too long, obviously, like, oh, no. I, like, love her, but I do fear we give too many Chances, Few more chances, girl, and then, you know, then we're done. Then I can't do this anymore.

[Jess]

And I think she's just like, if

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Jess]

Speaking of girls who need a I think she just needs to, like, let go of the. This is who I am. I'm brutally honest. I'm messy. I say what I mean. I mean what I say. Like, I'm unfiltered. I think we just needed you, for example. Take a step, a step back from that. Process things, think about a little bit and then speak about it. You know, not be.

[Trisha Paytas]

So get that book deal in a year and a half. Like, kind of like Catherine, too, from Ace Family. Didn't say anything. You know, that silence was powerful. Then when you do speak, people listen. Yeah, but all this, like the stories and it's too much.

[Jess]

The repost, the comments, the back and forth, the unfollowing, the blocking. It's. It's a lot. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're trying to get your season to air, girl.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Stick to reading the Bible verses like you were doing. We do. People do love a God rebrand. You know what I mean? And it's like she's going back to them.

[Jess]

I know. I feel like we were on the right path and then all of a sudden she really set her sights on Michaela and Macy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I don't know if God would like that. I think he doesn't like people who judge. So I think we need to just, you know, let it be and heal on ourselves.

[Jess]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But rooting for everyone. I love them all, but except for Dakota, the women.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Jess]

That talk. No, it's. Except for Connor.

[Trisha Paytas]

That talks. Canceled.

[Jess]

Yeah. Forever Connor I still love the best. I wish I was seeing him on off Broadway.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, really? You like the clips? I like it too.

[Jess]

I do. We're 11 to midnight. He is interviewing him today, I think. And I'm so jealous I can't be the one to do the interview because I love Connor.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm. You saying that for real. I like it too. I don't know if you're being.

[Jess]

No, I love Connor.

[Trisha Paytas]

Me too. Okay. The way you said, I love Connor. No, me too. I want to hear Moses in that show. 11 to midnight I would love. Because it's like a dance show and you're such a dancer. And I feel like we could do like we did when I was on Beetlejuice, you know, because it's like late at night, the kids go to bed or whatever like that. And then we can, like. You can perform. Because it. Mostly dancers, I think, like me just trying to be like Connor and Whitney every way I can. But I think we might get Whitney on this show. I don't want to say it because I jinx. Is It. But I feel like she's coming on

[Jess]

and I hope so.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's coming to LA in a couple weeks, so I feel. I feel like it's actually happening.

[Jess]

I would.

[Trisha Paytas]

So many questions.

[Jess]

I would like, faint.

[Trisha Paytas]

Me too. I think she's the queen of all. Like, I've never been more envious in a cute way of someone's like, career in life. I'm like, she started her production company. She's starring in a. In a rom com on like, the Hallmark Channel, the Broadway, the. I just love everything.

[Jess]

I don't even know how you launch your own productions.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know either.

[Jess]

Like, how are you doing that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Just really smart people around her that's like, we're put this together for you.

[Jess]

She needs some companies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's right.

[Jess]

Her own production studio. Like, damn, she has everything on lock.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't get it either. But girl, come share some of that. I'm such a firm believer in, like, you're in the same energy as the people you want to be like. You know, it's just like there. So I feel it, girl. I want to sing with her. I have so many, so many questions. I'm sure Connor, I don't know when he stops the off Broadway thing, but I have so many questions for him. I hope he comes. Just. I want to know about the private chef. I want to know about so many things that's not even Mormon wives. Yeah, I don't even care about Mormon wives. Really. I need to know everything else that's going on. The hair extensions. Like, I need answers. She talks about using a GLP one after, I think her second baby. I need to know about that. And why did you stop it? Girl, what are you doing with those macros? How are we counting macros? And I have so many questions. It's insane. But yeah, Costa Mayer, if you need another feature, I'm gonna volunteer my husband. He's a really good dancer.

[Jess]

I wonder if maybe Whitney's production studio can produce your, like, biopic. You know what I mean?

[Moses]

Please?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. I'm going nowhere else. If they want it, what is it? Lovett House Entertainment. If they want it, it's yours. Whitney can play me. I don't like. Connor can play Moses. I would love. I would love. I Dr. Directed all of it. It would be so great. She's like the dream guest right now. We were close. I don't know if we should say, hey, we were close to someone else that I really was excited about.

[Jess]

Oh, I know, Tea, but it's not out Yet, Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Jess]

I know, but I thought they were gonna circle back with more.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're gonna circle back, but I have a feeling it's not happening. She was. And you know, I like to be fair. It was right before she went to South Korea, and It was like 12 hours here in LA, and I was like, damn. And she's like, oh, she. She does want to do it. We were really close. I'm not giving up hope. I do. I do love her too. But any one of those girls would be amazing. We have some good possibilities. Other guests do. We have some. Some mainstream ones that may be coming on in July. Don't want to give it all away, but I'm. I'm excited, you know, when they're the good guests, we're excited about that.

[Jess]

Kind of reminds me on Flopcast, Paige had one Tana card that Tana allowed her. It was the like, okay, you have one Tana car that you can ask me to DM anyone to get you. To get you a guest on Flopcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was the guest?

[Jess]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I forgot his name.

[Jess]

It was someone from Love island last year or two years ago that Paige's co host, Molly, just, like, runs into a lot and likes some British guy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, so did he get on? Was he on?

[Jess]

He did get on, yeah. Tana asked him to come on. I don't think he ever didn't know anything about. About the program, so he was kind of new. It's new. Yeah. But that kind of made it, like, funnier to me, I guess. So then that was, like, got me thinking as to what my Trish card would be, but I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was gonna say, I also don't

[Jess]

even know if I have one.

[Trisha Paytas]

You have endless Trish cards, and I try to use them, but I also don't think I have any poll like Tana does. Unless you want. God, who could I. I can't get anyone from me.

[Jess]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm trying to think. I guess Ted, but you were kind of doing the heavy lifting on that one. Maybe Hasan, but he scares me. Unless we're in a private jet off go ahead of Coachella. You did send me qt. Cinderelli was with caa.

[Jess]

Oh, yeah. That's your new. Your agency sister now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. You just sent it with no context.

[Jess]

Oh, I was just like, wow, she's with CIA. That's amazing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Got it. You want me to. Maybe she could. Come on. Yeah, but you know her.

[Jess]

Yeah. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

What is my church card? If I had the Poll and I would give you 5,000 Trish cards.

[Jess]

God. I mean the so far somewhat realistic. I mean Whitney was a big one. When you were. When you were making plans to possibly see her on Broadway, I was like, oh my God. Like that was the one thing. I was like, I need a video from her. If you see her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God.

[Jess]

That was. That was a Trish card moment.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did I. I told you that? She was like we can. We can stage door after two.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I was like so excited because I loved her stage doors. That was such a moment. I was, I was devastated. My flights were delayed.

[Jess]

But I'm 90% sure she was. Was those were the shows.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm gonna just put that in my head. That that's.

[Jess]

I'm like 90. Sure. Cuz she was posting on Instagram that she had to miss two shows. And it was when you were over there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, okay, okay. I'm hoping that is it.

[Jess]

Yeah. And then.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, that might be coming true.

[Jess]

Who else

[Trisha Paytas]

you love? Sara. But I feel like we're too. Well, that may could happen sometime. But she is very busy.

[Jess]

Yeah, she's very booked. Very busy. Honestly, I might have to pull for Adella because I love Adella so much and her tourism.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know you loved her like that.

[Jess]

Oh, and Cedric also being an Adela Adele stand too.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like everyone Adela stand too. I know what like that. But I'm someone who like doesn't know about a follow up. You know what I mean? But like she is touring so I don't know.

[Jess]

I know her tour with Demi is almost over. So then that's when make you do the Adela car. Because I love Adela.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, if you ever have a Trish card, let me know. You just gotta. You gotta tell me my.

[Jess]

Oh my other Trish card. She's like a up and coming singer. Actually. She just collabed with. With Zara Larson on the Midnight Sun Girls trip edition. But her name is Eli. She's like a trans singer, a pop singer and she's so good. But I was in her tik Tok live last night and she was kind of getting like hate from the Swifty. She was getting like bombarded because. I know why.

[Trisha Paytas]

What, what happened?

[Jess]

I think she spoke out. She was like pro Olivia Rodrigo and the Swifties were like mad about it. Not me. I'm bipartisan and I love Eli. I told her I was like hashtag not all swift easy lie because.

[Trisha Paytas]

And did you say. Did you see it?

[Jess]

Yeah. Well, I was in her live chat I don't think she saw it was me because, like, my icon is so random.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I was like, a little boy.

[Jess]

Yes. And she was getting, like, bombarded by swifties. And then she was doing her makeup. It was a get ready with me. And she was putting freckles on, and she's like, oh, I messed up my makeup. I put too many freckles. And I was trying to have a key. I was like, oh, you're giving 2018 Jimmy Chuck.

[Trisha Paytas]

And oh, no, that's the worst thing.

[Jess]

I know. I thought it was a key. I thought I was just trying to be a little silly, goofy. And she went, who said that? That?

[Trisha Paytas]

She said I'd block you. You.

[Jess]

I told you guys. I thought I. I didn't feel cute today. And now I'm giving James Charles. And then I had to go DM her and apologize. And I'm gonna apologize again here on this platform. Eli, I'm trying to have a key. You look gorgeous. Her skin is, like, amazing. She's the most, like, naturally beautiful.

[Trisha Paytas]

She was self conscious, and I wasn't

[Jess]

there when she said that, to be fair. And also the every other comment, I was like, your skin is a glass. Like, your blush looks amazing. I was like, you're locked in for this guy. I was, like, hyping her up.

[Trisha Paytas]

But the 2018 J Crazy.

[Jess]

I was trying out the key because she's like, I did too many freckles. And I was like, you know, I was trying to just key. I was trying to keep with the girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Apologies.

[Jess]

Yeah, so another apology. She did accept my DM apology. I DM'd her on Instagram and I was like, yeah, she didn't realize it was me, so that helped. But yeah, so apologies to Eli. Stream her album. It's great. She's stream Crush Bizarre Larson's great song.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's kind of everything that she do edit with her.

[Jess]

I know. And she's collabed with Olivia Rodrigo. She's collabed with Demi Lovato. Yeah, she is. You know, I got a sense for the it Girls.

[Trisha Paytas]

Girls. You do? Girls have all.

[Jess]

Oh, and her dream is to sing with you one day.

[Trisha Paytas]

We'll put her on tomorrow. Where is she? Where is she at? Get her over here.

[Jess]

Really? Somewhere in West Hollywood.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Bring her over asap. I love anyone who wants to sing with me.

[Jess]

And she's come on the couch. So good. Oh, we should have, like, a Pride special with, like, all the artists.

[Trisha Paytas]

Absolutely. Love. I know. Trying to figure out how to do that with like my book, I'm like, I need to put my signed copies in all like for June. All in like queer bookstores or something like that. So I need to find a list and compile it because we love, you know, I love a pride. I love a gay pride.

[Jess]

Are you booked for any prides?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, not yet.

[Jess]

West Hollywood.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'll be there.

[Jess]

Or Westlake.

[Trisha Paytas]

You can be the West Lake Pride. There'll be two people there. I mean, maybe more. I don't know. We're not. We're not over here. But I just don't know if there's

[Jess]

a lot of people in general or the demand.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what? There is. Isn't there a gay club? Is that Boogies? Boogies is not a gay club. Or am I just like making that up? No. Okay, maybe not. Could just be a club too.

[Moses]

Maybe they had a knight.

[Jess]

We have one. And like our side of the Valley. I don't think we have any gay spots.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's a gay on the Valley. The TV show.

[Jess]

The Bravo show, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you missed that conversation. To Monday. My sister will be here. And we had a full. Wow.

[Jess]

Kelly is locked into the Bravo liberties.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she was pretty much in. You're not seated for it.

[Jess]

Bravo liberties only like the classics, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

Schwartz, Sandoval.

[Jess]

I'm aware, but I don't like follow closely, if that makes sense. But I'm aware of the players for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because you edit their Tik Toks.

[Jess]

I actually have a no Bravo clause where I don't edit Bravo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, why you hate Bravo?

[Jess]

I just like, I can only.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a great.

[Jess]

I can only edit stuff that I'm like into because I'm not good at faking it. So yeah, if my. If I can't creatively be fulfilled, I just like don't assign myself.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm trying to get into the Bravo world because I know it's so big and I really.

[Jess]

It's a good fit for you too. I feel like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I feel like that I would go perfectly in there. I just don't know any of the shows.

[Jess]

That's a little bit of a problem. But yeah, I know what you call him.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know him. Maybe he can get me on. He's kind of powerful. Hum. He's like the Oz.

[Jess]

Yeah, he is like. Was the wizard gay in wizard of Oz?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jess]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, not in the wizard of Oz, but in Wicked, I think he was.

[Jess]

Oh no, because he had a thing with Elphaba's mom.

[Trisha Paytas]

So did Chris Appleton. He had kids. Do you know What? I mean, yeah, you know, he turned. I don't know if he turned or just became his authentic self when he put that green outfit on and he was dancing around and yellow brick, the rainbow roads and all this stuff. Yeah, he was definitely. Everyone was. It isn't. Ariana Grande said everyone's a little queer. Wicked.

[Jess]

Yeah, I guess that's Oz for you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think it's all a little gay, Literally. Back to your whale art. Oh, Michaela has a big horse art in her living room. Have you ever seen that?

[Jess]

I have seen the Michaela horse.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. It was giving. When you were talking about your whale art, I was like, I feel like you and Michaela would be, oh, is

[Moses]

it the painting or.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's called Bonded.

[Jess]

It's a painting, like a canvas. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's humongous. She like a boxes like the biggest horse.

[Jess]

I fear the only paintings Darian and I can kind of agree on are horse themes. Randomly we have a small horse one, and we've also been eyeing other horse pieces. And at first I was like, I didn't know Michaela was a horse girl like that. And then I had to take a hard look in the mirror and be like, I'm also kind of. I'm more like Michaela than I am different. Let's say that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. That is kind of everything. Did you guys have horse girls in school? It's usually the ones like long braids.

[Jess]

Yes. In my. My high school. Because there's like a. An equestrian community around here as. As, you know, Brooks Goldfield.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. And they always had, like, long point tails. They would look like a horse's tail.

[Jess]

Yeah. And I remember they would have, like, the equestrian boots sometimes with the uniform.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, they were bougie out here.

[Jess]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Kendall Jenner also was, like, very equestrian in high school, too. And like, I remember when they would compete or whatever, Kendall would also be at some of the things.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really? They wear those little hats. What's the point of that? The things on the hats.

[Jess]

Little helmets.

[Trisha Paytas]

They would have helmets, but then they would be like a little button on there. Like, they were very specific. It was a very specific helmet. Am I.

[Moses]

It's all about safety. The little helmets in case that they fall.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I mean, I knew that part, but I thought.

[Moses]

No, but sometimes even that little detail has to do with safety.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's scary to ride a horse.

[Moses]

I guess even motorbikes, sometimes they'll have a thing on the top. I don't know if it. Maybe there's like, a Hole in the helmet. And it helps the helmet absorb the

[Trisha Paytas]

force a certain way, right? That could be, yeah.

[Jess]

Are you scared because of Paris Hilton on the Simple Life getting knocked off the horse?

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Think about Christopher Reeves getting knocked off a horse.

[Jess]

But Paris, what era are you from?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, that's the big horse incident. Paris Hilton seems fine from it. Like, he was paralyzed.

[Jess]

Season two, that was the big, like, cliffhanger when the horse threw her off and she got a bruise on her tummy, and then she had to go to the gas station, and then the host family, like, got to buy her whatever she wanted from the gas station because he felt bad that the horse knocked her off.

[Trisha Paytas]

So a horse flung off Paris Hilton?

[Jess]

It was season two, the season two premiere episode.

[Trisha Paytas]

Episode one, and she was fine.

[Jess]

Well, she got kicked off the horse. She got airlifted to the hospital to check. Check on her vitals, I guess. And she. She was bruised on her tummy. And then the host family, like, felt terrible about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's pretty impressive that she just had a little bruise.

[Jess]

Yeah, she had a bruise on her tummy. It was a whole thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was that show fake? Did they ever come out and be like, okay, it was, like, scripted.

[Moses]

I don't understand the timeline. When did they go back to the gas station to buy her?

[Jess]

That was when she left the hospital. So I guess maybe the next the questions.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everybody wanted to know.

[Moses]

They went to a gas station.

[Jess]

They admitted the. The ending seasons, once it moved to E, it was fake. And they mentioned that especially when they were feuding and filming separate. Like, that was all fake. But I think the first, like, two were semi real. Like, they really did live there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. I liked those shows. I don't know if I was that into it. I don't know. It seems like something I should be into.

[Jess]

Yeah, the Simple Life. A foundation. Like a. A gay foundational building. Yeah. 100. I rewatched it in 2021, and, like, it held up to me. I still loved it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like there was nothing comes

[Jess]

between me and my Ginormous. Anyone? Anyone?

[Trisha Paytas]

Ginormous? What? What?

[Jess]

They had to do a Burger King commercial.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I love Paris. I love, like, the cultural icon that she is. But, like, yeah, if I had to have, like, a conversate, like, I wouldn't really. She's very sweet. I love her. But also, like, I don't know what I would ask about Simple I Life.

[Jess]

Well, I don't know if she's gonna talk about it that much, but, like, simple Life was everything to me. Nicole Richie, specifically, like, yeah. And she's still so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is she still doing out there doing stuff?

[Jess]

I saw a Tick Tock ad. I forget what it was for, but she made a joke that she was like, God, she made it. She was doing some kind of like, racial joke because she's like, biracial.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jess]

And she would joke about that too, like in the Simple Life. But it was some. Some joke about being like half black or something. And she was talking to like another black person. I guess that, like, didn't clock that she was like, biracial, whatever. And that was like the whole punchline. And I'm ruining the punchline. But I promise you, when I saw the Tick Tock, I was in stitches. I don't know. Look it up. Nicole Richie. I think it was sunglasses, I want to say, but what do you mean

[Trisha Paytas]

this joke was about sunglasses?

[Jess]

No, she was selling sunglasses.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was like an ad referencing her

[Jess]

old, old, simple idea. Yeah, well, I don't. It wasn't even like an old reference. It was just like a joke about being biracial. But yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you don't know the sunglass company that was doing it.

[Jess]

I had a. I'm assuming it was her own.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Jess]

Millie Bobby Brown kind of seems very Trish coded because she allegedly possibly leaked her baby's name via necklace. Via necklace, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Also via Oscar. I remember when we did the name reveal on the Just Trish podcast and I'm like, okay, like in an hour we're gonna do it. So set, set the thing up. And the thumbnail had Aquaman's name on the hat.

[Jess]

Oh yeah. And I was like, tell him to wear the hat.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because it was like the big thing was like, no one knew the name. We went to weeks without doing it. And I was like, literally on the thumbnail was Aquaman.

[Jess]

Honestly, I'll defend myself on that one. There was no disclaimer. You think I'm really zooming in to

[Trisha Paytas]

see, like, yeah, that's where all the names are.

[Jess]

I've never had a baby. I've never had a baby.

[Trisha Paytas]

You dropped a baby on its head.

[Jess]

Yes. The baby was out of the hospital. I've never seen a baby fresh out of the hospital. Not even my own nephew.

[Trisha Paytas]

But like announcement pictures, they always.

[Jess]

I've never seen that. Never seen that. Never seen that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Classic everything. They always have the name on there.

[Jess]

Maybe it's a tax bracket thing because I've never seen a baby with an embroidered little like Cap like that. Like what?

[Trisha Paytas]

Etsy has businesses. There's thousands of Etsy shops that do just specifically for that.

[Jess]

Did you get it on Etsy? Yes, I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, yes.

[Jess]

I've never seen that again. Maybe it's a white thing. Maybe it's a tax bracket thing. I've never seen that. I definitely didn't have a little embroidery.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, that was 30 years ago. This is now. This is 2026. Everyone has those photos of her Instagram.

[Jess]

And I've never seen that. Never seen that.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. I know. No one. I don't think anyone did catch it because I remember being like.

[Jess]

So it was only the, like, the stands that, like, were repeating every detail that caught it, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did they catch it before we announced it?

[Jess]

I think someone on, like, the judge, Trisha, read it. So I was like, yeah, it was

[Trisha Paytas]

like, 20 minutes before the show had started.

[Moses]

Yeah, but same thing. Because what I told her. I think I remember now how. Because when you look on the phone, the thumbnail is so small that you wouldn't really read it. It's only on the computer or tv. So I think only few people actually had the chance to zoom into that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Anyways, back to Millie Bobby Brownlee again. Well, you're pretty good at knowing all that detail. But I just remember, like, no. I was like, no, they're gonna know the name. Because that was kind of like you remember, like, a hundred thousand people or something.

[Jess]

We're, like, watching a lot. Meanwhile, my priority was making sure the tune moon was looking gorgeous. I was like, let me just put a soft glow on my sister. Like, did you face an Aquaman, too?

[Trisha Paytas]

He had a little glow to him. Everyone was glowy. If you go to the Entertainment Tonight website, I remember being like, I'm really glowy in this picture. Like, I always just show a raw photo. It's always a little. I mean, I appreciate it. I do appreciate it, too.

[Jess]

I was like, this photo is gonna be, like, in every little, like, headline or whatever. Like, let me make sure there's a little. A soft, maternal motherly glow.

[Trisha Paytas]

My Instagram photos just my greasy. And it's red. Yeah. I was like, all right. Well, I mean, I do appreciate it. I do appreciate it. Glow, for sure. Not. Not going there. But Millie Bobby Brown exposed her name. Did she not say it? I mean, the baby has been around for a minute.

[Jess]

No, she hasn't said her baby's name.

[Trisha Paytas]

Giving Kylie Jenner, too. Where? She, like, never said the name of her second baby.

[Jess]

Yeah, after. I mean, she said it was One

[Trisha Paytas]

Wolf, and then switched it.

[Jess]

Yeah. Kylie said her son's name is Wolf and then said that it wasn't Wolf anymore, but never said what it. What she named him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do we know now?

[Jess]

I don't think so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it Air? Am I making that up?

[Jess]

I just think.

[Moses]

I don't know. More like Eris or.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it's a boy, so I'd say I think it's Air.

[Moses]

I remember talking about that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why are we talking about it?

[Jess]

Oh, yeah. A I R e. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Air.

[Jess]

But Kylie said that she calls him Night.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nope. A lot of names.

[Jess]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's a lot of names.

[Jess]

Oh, okay. She said, but Wolf was then changed to Night, but then changed to Air. That's kind of.

[Trisha Paytas]

She went through it. She went through a lot. She was like, I need to find the perfect name.

[Jess]

T. And at least, you know, before he was cognitive and couldn't process, he

[Trisha Paytas]

won't, you know, they kind of answered their name around, like, eight months. Like, Aquaman started answering to Aquaman around, like, eight months. He'll, like, turn his head if you say Aquaman.

[Jess]

Dogs are pretty quick. Dogs are really now, like, after a couple weeks.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, but, like, what if you adopt a dog that's, like, a year old, will they not answer to their new name? You have to, like, call them by their original name.

[Jess]

Change their name. It takes them a minute, though, if they're older.

[Trisha Paytas]

I suppose you think they'll answer. I don't think I'd answer to, like, a different name now.

[Jess]

Well, my cat Cheese was named Brownie at first, but then we renamed him to Cheese.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why not Brownie? That was a cute name.

[Jess]

Brownie's a little on the nose.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, he's. He's Brown.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is a crazy name. But I appreciate it. I thought it was like, Brownie, like, the.

[Jess]

And I leaked it myself. It was on my necklace. Actually. It was on his knitted. Custom knitted cap.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm sure you would have one for your cat. Like, I'm sure he has a custom knitted sweater. The whole thing. Like, look who it is. It's Cheese, everybody.

[Jess]

And I leaked it myself. But Millie Bobby Brown posted a selfie, and she was wearing a necklace. Necklace. And it had the name Ruth on it. So people are speculating that that's a very. That is her baby's name. But also her grandmother's name is Ruth. So is it because of her grandmother, or did she name her daughter?

[Trisha Paytas]

How do people know her grandmother's name?

[Jess]

The stands really went in and did some investigating because I. The stands were kind of protective because obviously Millie's protection. Pretty private about her child. So they were like, well, her also, her grandmother's name is Ruth.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, they should name the baby after the grandmother.

[Jess]

That's kind of what I would think. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's a pretty name. I like Ruth.

[Jess]

And then Millie also has a phone case that had the initials rwb, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Rwb?

[Jess]

Yeah. So that kind of adds up with,

[Trisha Paytas]

like, what's the W?

[Jess]

That is kind of the question. Yeah. So I guess that would be her daughter's middle name. And then. Bon joke.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where was the necklace? Was it like a paparazzi picture?

[Jess]

No, she posted it to Instagram. It was a selfie. It was like. That's why people think that she did

[Trisha Paytas]

it on the hard lunch. Maybe she did it on purpose.

[Jess]

But it is one of those things where it's so small. Like, you have to zoom in.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'll show you who zoomed in.

[Jess]

Well, people zoomed into our necklace.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, oh, my gosh, it's so small.

[Jess]

Yeah. So they. You got to really look in because this is the photo. Like, it's just like a beach.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love you. Like, let's zoom in on that necklace after that photo. That photo is gorge. She looks amazing. Yeah. Damn, I wish I could take selfies like that. I don't think I fit into a selfie like that. I feel like, how do they get so tiny in that picture? In a good way? Like, I don't know how people do that. They look. She looks amazing. I guess the high angle, too, helps. Not her meme. She doesn't need it. I like it. Ruth Bobby Brown.

[Jess]

Well, Ruth Bon Jovi. Oh, Wrote Ruth Bon Jovi. Her husband is. Yeah. Jake.

[Trisha Paytas]

The last name is Bon Jovi.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. I always thought that was just like a made up name.

[Jess]

Oh, oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like the band. The singer's name is.

[Jess]

I think the band is named. He's a Nepo baby, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. But the band is Bon Jovi and the lead singer is who? Not Bon Jovi.

[Jess]

John Bon Jovi.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's his name. John Bon Jovi.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sounds made up. It's a cool name. If it's real.

[Jess]

I mean. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And this is his son.

[Jess]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

What does he do? What's Jake do?

[Jess]

Be a dad, I guess. And Nepo babies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Isn't that so crazy? He doesn't have any goals in life, I guess.

[Jess]

Just be a dad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I hope so. I mean, yeah, he could be a good dad, Honestly, as we know from the Disneyland where I wanted to push. I was thinking about that. I wanted to push the stroller and Moses usually push it, but I want to push. Maybe she just want to push the strollers, you know, Maybe she just wanted to do everything. Sometimes you're like, let me just do it. You know what I mean? That wasn't mine. But for me, I like having something to do. Sometimes I'm just like hanging out, walking, and I'm like, I would love to just push this stroller.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Jess]

Tea. Because the big controversy was Millie Bobby Brown and Jake Bon Jovi were walking through New York. Right. And she was pushing the stroller. I didn't think anything of it because like I feel like she's very hands on. Like she wants to do everything herself.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jess]

That's the vibe she gives me. Cuz she carries the bassinet by like, I don't know. She carries a car seat. She does everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jess]

To me I was just like, wow, that is a humongous stroller to be cranky around. Yeah, that was around the time square.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of love that though. Baby was probably comfortable, you know, cuz it's so big. I know.

[Jess]

Humongous.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love those wagons that look like Volkswagen. Have you seen those? Those little Volkswagen buses? But for four kids and they can just like all sit there. But like you can't bring them to Disneyland. So I'm like, where are you supposed to bring those? Like it. They're cool. Like four toddlers can sit in them. But I'm also like, where do you bring them? I guess the beach. But even that, it's like you're like pulling it along. Anyways. I like the name Ruth. I love the name Bon Jovi. But we don't know. Are they married?

[Jess]

They are married. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I always wonder that too. When is it? Is it Scotty has Davidson as last name. Scotty.

[Jess]

Oh, Pete Davidson.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like I feel like why does the dad get the name? Like if. Especially if you're not married. I mean, we're married. And I still was like pain attackman. You know what I mean? Like it's like why does.

[Jess]

Yeah. Scotty Rose Hewitt Davidson.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. They gave a double. Yeah, okay. That's. They should. I feel like sometimes when you just give the dad the last name, it's like, well, we should maybe. I think everyone just put the names. I think I kind of like that because even Brown is cool. Like it should be Brown, Bon Jo, Rosie.

[Jess]

Oh yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because like you said, maybe they want to be Millie by Brown's daughter.

[Jess]

And then in the case of like, the Jolie Pitt children, they can decide later on.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, just take it off completely.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is crazy. You have the name Jolie Pitt and

[Jess]

you're like, remove pit T. Yeah, Sahara. Now just Jolie removed it from her last name as well.

[Trisha Paytas]

We need a deep dive. We need to interview like a 2020 interview with Brad Pitt. Because we always go so hard on, like, women and stuff like that where they, like, Diane Sword will be like, asking him the hard questions. We knew that with Pitt it's like, why. Why would your daughter take her last name off? What did you do?

[Jess]

Yeah. Because Shiloh also dropped Pitt from her name as well. And Zahara just graduated from school, from college. And when they announced her to come on the stage, it was just Zahara Pitt. And then her dad, Brad Pitt wasn't even at the graduation. So everyone's like, why are they all estranged from Brad Pitt? You know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Oh, I hate that he's both.

[Jess]

I feel like the kids are usually like the tell. You know what I mean? It's very like he said, she said. People kind of chose a side between like everything that was going on between Brangelina. But I'm like, if all the kids. Not. Not one of the kids, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. There's usually one like Johnny Kate plus eight. There was one that went with.

[Jess]

With John.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was it.

[Jess]

Or Kate got all of them except for one. Colin. Colin chose.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. And Colin went off on Kate.

[Jess]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You. You'll know. Like you said, said. But then you have like Maya Hawk and both of her parents at her wedding and you're just like, oh, okay. They did a good job being co parents. Even though Ethan Hawke cheated on him with Herman, but they still made it work.

[Jess]

Yeah. It is very telling to me. I'm like, okay. Because I think Brad also, like, he has so many fans and Brad also like the old school Hollywood guys. Like, they are so good at being likable in the press. Like whenever they're doing promo, they're just like, like, like a Tom Cruise. Like Brad Pitt, like George Clooney, they go away. But when it's time to promote, they are so, like, polite, so conscientious.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Jess]

So it's hard to think anything negative about them because when they're in public, they're so presentable and so pr.

[Trisha Paytas]

But like the Surrey Cruise of it all too.

[Jess]

And you're just like, yeah, exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or even his oldest. I think Tom Cruise oldest even are like, I don't want anything to do with You. But yeah, man, that charismaticness, that does get you because.

[Jess]

And they're so quiet when they're not. Not having to. To promote. But the second they are, they're just like. They turn it on and they're so charming.

[Trisha Paytas]

And why are they so quiet? As long as they're off being a dad, it's like, what are you doing? You know?

[Jess]

Great point.

[Trisha Paytas]

Don't be like, yeah, yeah, I don't think so. I am curious about Tom Cruise, though. He fascinates me.

[Jess]

I know, but then when it's time to promote a Top Gun or a Mission Impossible, Damn, he's so kind. And buying everyone popcorn, talking to everyone in the audience. He seems nice.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. They lure you. They trick you.

[Jess]

Did you see your Euphoria co star Na King? Oh, her parts in this latest Euphoria episode got cut too. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, what? What do you mean, what happened? What is happening? Yor. Why are we all mean, Vinny Hacker. Like, this is injustice. Like, what is happening? What happened? What? Who said what? What? Did she say it?

[Jess]

Yeah, she made a tick tock. Well, first of all, she spoke, I think maybe while Euphoria was in production that she wouldn't be coming back, but she was, like, really relying on the paycheck because she was, like, going paycheck to paycheck. And I think she was on tick tock. And she talked about how badly she needed it. And then they reached out to her after that, went viral and invited her back onto the season. And obviously she plays Zendaya's mom, Rue's mom, in the show, and that she's always been such a huge part of that character's life. So people were like, kind of questioning why she would be missing all of a sudden.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jess]

But then after this latest episode, there's a scene where Rue calls her mom and Nika King reacted to it and posted a video on Instagram. She said, what happened? Wait, y', all. I just watched my episode that I been promoting all week, and my mom over here is clowning me. My mom is clowning me. She said the Internet waited all this time just for me to say one line.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is she shown? Do they show her? Okay, well, at least she's shown. And it's a line. It is a line.

[Jess]

They waited three years.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was the line?

[Jess]

Hold on, let me see if I can find the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, that's so funny.

[Jess]

I love you, Rue.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. It was probably like an hour long conversation there too. She's like, we had a full on Phone call.

[Jess]

She was on for 10 seconds. Seconds to deliver the one line.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, that's longer than my screen time. I think I might have had.

[Jess]

She's also been in the show since, like, the damn pilot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, they were cut for time. They were very, very pressed. Where were we yesterday? Were you with me? There was two fans that came up to me, and she said, I loved you in Euphoria. Your line. Okay, was everything. And she was being so serious, too. Where was that?

[Moses]

The boiling crab.

[Trisha Paytas]

Boiling crab. That's where it was. Yes. They came up to me in line like, oh, love doing Euphoria. And I was like, okay, maybe they didn't see it. And it's just. No, when you said, okay, like, it was so good.

[Jess]

And I mind you, you had two lines as you. You.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's right. But we didn't know the other one,

[Jess]

so you felt like they're being suppressed. You said something like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right. Just have two lines. You're right. You're right.

[Jess]

Okay, so you had more lines than crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

They could have given her one extra. What did she say about it? Was she, like, just laughing?

[Jess]

Yeah, she posted a video on her Instagram just laughing. And her mom was, like, roasting her because she went so hard. She was also, like, included in the press releases and stuff, too, so. And she knew that this was her episode. She was. She was promoting it, and obviously a lot got cut.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was like, me, too. They gave me a still. I'm like, well, I'm really gonna be. I'm gonna be the star of this episode. This little piggy is me. And then you know what happens to the best of us. But at least, like you said, she was on the first two seasons and had some good screen time. It was important to the show, T.

[Jess]

I suppose it is kind enough. Nuts. I mean, damn. Her sister, though. Storm Reed, Rue, sister, played by Storm Reed, didn't come back at all. So I guess better than nothing, I suppose.

[Trisha Paytas]

But damn, you got a little bit of screen time.

[Jess]

A little bit. But it is weird because, like, it is a huge plot point in Rue his life, like, her and her relationship with her mom. So you would think she would.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why'd you call her mom? I didn't see this episode this week.

[Jess]

Neither did I. I'm just reading the summary. Yeah, but it was like. Like Rue calling her mom. Well, you kind of saw in an earlier episode where when Rue got clean, like, she was calling her mom in the gas station.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah.

[Jess]

So kind of like a similar situation. She reaches out to her mom and calls her, and she's like, having her. Like, she's crying on the steps, and she calls her mom. And then it was like a. A cut back and forth. Like, Na King was on the other line. Like, it cut to her saying, I love you, Ru. And.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, did. Was she just calling for that? Like, what was she calling? Did she need advice? Like, now we need to know. I wish I would know know, because there had to have been more to why she was calling, not just to hear I love you. She probably wanted some something answers conversation. Like, you know, anything.

[Jess]

Well, she's talking about, like, Rue is talking about everything that she's dealing with right now. I know that much. Like, the context of this scene was it was like calling her ob, like, crying and being emotional because she's, like, in the middle of, like, the investigation. She's like the informant, right? Yeah. She's found herself in a sticky situation, to say the least.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the mom's just like, love, you, gotta go.

[Jess]

She's asking, like, what. What's happened? So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but you don't hear her say, what's happened?

[Jess]

No. You see her on camera and she says, I love you, Rue. And she, like, is listening to her.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you know what, though? Classic lines, like I mentioned before, Suzanne Somerset, I love you. That was her only line in American Graffiti. So it is a good line delivery. I have to see it. I have to watch it. I'm sure it's a good performance.

[Jess]

You'll be competing with her at the Emmys.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the Emmys. There's God competition this year for best guests.

[Jess]

Best guest actress.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they really. White Lotus gives me that too. With all the press releases of, like, everyone joining the cast, I'm like. I mean, there's literally, like, 100 cast members now, so I feel like someone definitely is just, like, serving some water. But, you know, I would also be in that category too. But it's just so funny how they do a big press release. I love it. I'm not gonna lie. I love a big press release, you know, even if you are, because that just goes to show there's no small parts, just small actors. And I think that's a very important thing to remember. Pantiere was on White Lotus. She'd be so good on that. I really love her.

[Jess]

That is actually a brilliant idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

So good.

[Jess]

I'm all about the Hayden Pantier, like, redemption.

[Trisha Paytas]

Me too.

[Jess]

I guess she kind of does. Yeah. She kind of went through it well. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And, like, I think she said, I Guess confirmed by Hayden Pantier that Neutrogena fired her for talking about postpartum depression. She said she was, like, depressed in, like, an interview, and they, like, fired her after, like, 10 years of being their spokesperson. She was in all those Neutrogena commercials, and that seems crazy. Did they ever comment Neutrogena? Because, like, Neutrino, we love you. I love your makeup wipes, but that's kind of crazy. Although I guess it was a different time, but I don't know. That should be an excuse. Yeah, she really went through it. I really like her. Kirby from Scream.

[Jess]

Yeah. I don't think Neutrogena has released a statement or anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

That'd be crazy if that was true. And, like, is that even legal? Can you buy yourself?

[Jess]

I'm sure there's something in that contract.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I guess I heard that it was just not renewed.

[Jess]

Tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, so I guess it could be like, thank you so much for all your time. So maybe that was just. Her assumption was because she did that. I don't know. I have no idea. But I love her, and I wish she'd be casted in more things. Maybe she can play me in the biopic of crying on the kitchen floor.

[Jess]

She's a great height, too. I would think she's pretty. Sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. She might need a little padding. A little drag padding. She's tiny. Yeah. I'm not as short as people think. I would love to be short.

[Jess]

She's just five foot. Oh, she's taller.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. She's giving six. Sabrina Carpenter Tease.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I. I always wanted to be short when I was little. I like, when I was little. When I was younger, I, like, wanted to be so teeny tiny, but. But now I kind of like being tall. Our girls are tall, and it's like, oh, that's kind of cool, too, to be tall. I don't like to be in the middle. Well, yeah, I mean, that's great. I don't know. Maybe tall girl.

[Jess]

I bet you if they, like, rebooted tall girl, you would be in it somehow. Maybe you'd be tall girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sister, the mom is crazy. Who's the dad?

[Jess]

Dream of being a carpenter.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess I'd have to be the mom. Yeah, but don't they have a mom? What am I just replacing? It's like Fresh Prince Bel Air where Aunt Viv comes in as a different Aunt Viv. Is that what it would be?

[Jess]

I don't remember the. I saw the first one. I don't remember it. But I'm assuming She had a mom. Yeah, I'm assuming she did have a mom. And I'm assuming you could be a mom.

[Trisha Paytas]

I could be it, yeah. Did you ever see the movie? This is like opposite reversal of that, but did you ever see the Dumpling with Jennifer Aniston and she had the big girl daughter?

[Jess]

I had never saw it, but I read. Read the book.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, there was a book. It always starts as a book, huh?

[Jess]

Yeah, it was like a YA book. She was like a plus sized beauty pageant.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Jess]

In the South.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. And Jennifer Aniston played the mom.

[Jess]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Isn't Jennifer Hansen gonna be the mom of the Jet McCurdy book, too?

[Jess]

I think so, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Damn, she really got that mom unlock. That's wild to think about.

[Jess]

My new nightmare has been unlocked because I saw this video that went viral of power outage at Six Flags and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, well, Six Flags is my nightmare. You'll never see me do a sponsorship for that. Although they do have an Aquaman ride, so. Maybe. But Six Flags is scary. What do you want? A Six Flags? You like Six Flags? You? You?

[Moses]

Not anymore. When I was young.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you said ally. I shouldn't have said that.

[Jess]

Well, his friend, his close personal friend, Travis Kelsey is investing in Six Flags.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, so maybe it's gonna make a comeback. Six Flags is scary. Just the rides are scary. All of it. Why is he investing? Does he have a personality?

[Jess]

I think he just loves it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it going under?

[Jess]

I think it could use a little boost.

[Trisha Paytas]

But Six Flags, is it the same thing as Magic Mountain?

[Jess]

Yeah, Six Flags. Magic Mountain, it's the same. Six Flags has, like a different, you know, based on where it is. Has like a different name, like Six Flags. Magic Mountain is the one in California, in Valencia, California.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you go a lot as a kid because you grew up out here? Were you guys, like, going to field

[Jess]

trips there at summer camp? We went occasionally.

[Trisha Paytas]

You went to summer camp?

[Jess]

Against my will.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like overnight?

[Jess]

No, not overnight. Just the YMCA down the street. And I was not happy about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jess]

Yeah. I wanted to just stay at home again. Agoraphobia. But yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. And they just said you have to stay there.

[Jess]

Well, I was too young to stay by myself, like, home by myself, alone.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were they working during the summer?

[Jess]

Yeah, yeah, my parents worked. And. And then as soon as I was, like, trusted to stay home, I got to skip summer camp. But yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. And what would you do at summer camp?

[Jess]

Want to die.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I can imagine. I don't know nothing about summer camps. Never been. I just Know, like heavy weights. And I just like, that looked horrible. You watch that movie? That looks so scary. Oh, my God. I was like, absolutely not. What would you guys do?

[Jess]

It was at the ymca and we would do Tuesdays and Thursdays, I want to say were like our field trip days. So it'd be like a Six Flags a water park.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, so you would go, okay, La Zoo. That's kind of fancy. Was it expensive? That must have been expensive day camp.

[Jess]

I think so. I mean, it was a ymca. It was like a.

[Trisha Paytas]

How'd they get you into Six Flags?

[Jess]

I think they have a special camp rate. You know what I mean? Like, and also we were like eight years old. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, so you're like eight years old, you're all going to Six Flags? How many adults are with you guys?

[Jess]

We had counselors. Like, there was camp counselors and there was a few. I think each counselor had like, maybe a group of 10 kids.

[Trisha Paytas]

How are they keeping track of 108 year olds? Like, what if one is just running around?

[Jess]

It was back in the day, you know, and it was like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, there was kidnappings back in the day. That happened like, what? Probably more so back then because you. There was no, like, not as much technology and kids were always going missing. That's so crazy to me. Oh, my gosh. I saw that at like, Disneyland because it was like grad night and there was just so many kids and I'm like, there's only like one adult for like every, like 20 kids.

[Jess]

Oh, at grad night, we were like, let loose. At Disneyland, we didn't have.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you went. You were part of that. There's so many. Oh, my God, there were so many school people there. I was like. And you would just wander around Disneyland by yourself? Yeah, at like 16, 17. How old are you when you graduate? 17.

[Jess]

17, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And what would you do at Disneyland?

[Jess]

At grad night? Yeah, that was a different thing. But at grad night it was like a group. Like, I don't know, it was all the friend groups. You just go on the rides. That's like one. But yeah, at camp. And I was like, I don't know, maybe nine or ten, I don't know. But yeah, we had Tuesday and Thursday would be our field trip days, and we would occasionally do a Six Flags. I remember hating the water park, obviously, because I was chunky and then I wouldn't want to, like, get in there.

[Trisha Paytas]

So did you take your shirt off?

[Jess]

I wouldn't even go in the water. Honey.

[Trisha Paytas]

What were you doing?

[Jess]

A beached Whale. I was on my little towel. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Jess]

Reading a book or something. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's. So did you have friends that would sit with you at least?

[Jess]

I had one friend that went to my element. Like, went to my elementary school.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jess]

That also went to the camp. But there were days when he would skip and then I would get there and I wouldn't see him, and then I would cry and then call my dad and come back and pick me up and I have to go to work with them.

[Trisha Paytas]

That breaks my heart.

[Jess]

Oh. Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

So there was an option to go to work.

[Jess]

I mean, it wasn't ideal for them because then I'm, like, just stuck.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where was he at?

[Jess]

Where were you going to work at an insurance company?

[Trisha Paytas]

And you would sit there in the office. I did that with my dad, too. I did that with my mom, too. She used to be a postmaster. So I would just, like, sit there sorting mail with her in, like, the post office at Seward, Illinois, which was like a town of 50 people. And you just put it. And then there would be, like, gummy bears, and I just eat all the gummy bears. I love going with them. Isn't that so sad? That makes me actually so sad that kids, like. You know how many other kids probably right now are like, I don't want to go to summer camp. Like, you have to because we have to work. That sucks. Our system is sucked up. It's so sad.

[Jess]

Shoot. I had to go to Six Flags as a kid. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, that is kind of boosh. In Illinois. We were not going to Six Flags here.

[Jess]

At least in Southern California, like, there's

[Trisha Paytas]

a lot things to do. Yeah.

[Jess]

Yeah. There's a lot of activities. Excursions, etc.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, little zoos and stuff. Yeah. People in the Midwest. I'm so sorry. There's just.

[Jess]

You guys.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we went to. I mean, we literally went to, like, cow farms.

[Jess]

That sounds fun.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it smells. It just smells bad. And it's like, here's some cows. And you're just like, okay. There was a place called Colonial Village, and it's just like, literally like the 1800s. And you just, like, walk through and, like, look at old houses and, like, people turning, turning. But yeah, there was a lot of problematic things about my school. Oh, my gosh. Just so many things that we didn't have to do during, like, the Civil War. Education. I'm just like. Like, this is weird. It was problematic. Hopefully it's changed. I'm sure it has. The 90s were wild. It was a wild time for sure.

[Jess]

As in the 1800s.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I know because I went to Colonial Village. Did you have to book the Book it Club? What was that at Pizza Hut? Did you ever go to the Pizza Buffets?

[Jess]

No. Yes. Not the buffets, but we did have the Book it club. Yes. Where you got like. You had to read a book for a little individual pizza.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Wait, you never had a Pizza Hut restaurant?

[Jess]

We did, but again, I was agoraphobic, so. So I never went inside.

[Trisha Paytas]

You never went. They still have some still around. Let me know where there is one, cuz I would love to go to those. And it's like pizza buffet. And then they had like fancy like chandeliers and stuff.

[Jess]

I've never seen the commercials for it.

[Trisha Paytas]

So good.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. I never went.

[Jess]

Never. No. Never went in and dined because that was my phobia.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, now we need to find one and go. I don't think there's one in California. But anyways, where do we sidetrack for? I'm so sorry.

[Jess]

My new fear unlocked Six Flags power outage because people were stuck on the roller coaster and then they had to walk the stairs, like literally from the tv, tippy, top of the roller coaster.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. Oh my God, the stairs.

[Jess]

Can you see that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, they're like. Hey. Oh my God, that's so scary.

[Jess]

Yeah, I thought it was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where was this?

[Jess]

This was in Over Texas. Six Flags Over Texas.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's called Over Texas? Yeah.

[Jess]

See, they all have a little fun name.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yeah, well, that one. Not the great, but I get it. It's in Texas. That's crazy.

[Jess]

I thought it was six size Magic Mountain at first because it was also so, so windy here. Obviously there's the freaking fire, but. Oh my God. I was like, oh, shoot, it must have been Magic Mountain because it's so windy here. But it was Over Texas.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my gosh, that's so scary to come down. I know. Whenever there's a fire in California, I'm always leaving for London. Last time there was fires, I went to London and now I'm leaving for London again. Yeah. I was like, damn. I feel like I'm always like fleeing because like Galley was like, okay, the evacuation thing. And I was like, oh my God. I hope like they don't need me while I'm gone, you know, But I think it's kind of getting contained.

[Jess]

Yeah. It didn't spread overnight, which is good. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that the easiest way to get kids down? So we got.

[Jess]

I guess that's the only way.

[Trisha Paytas]

But like, are they like, stuck upside down.

[Jess]

They weren't stuck upside down, just really high up. Which is good because that also is obviously, like, my number one fear is getting stuck upside down like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

What would you do if you're stuck upside down? What do they do? Like, trampolines. Like, you know. Right. Like, just catching fall on your head

[Jess]

of a trampoline, I. I think is, like, not the best option.

[Trisha Paytas]

What would they do?

[Jess]

That's a great question.

[Moses]

I remember a case that they were stuck upside down for a long time.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would. Oh, my God. Biggest fear. Actually, that's my biggest fear in life. That's why I don't go on roller coasters.

[Jess]

I don't like a loop de loop roller coaster, that's for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hell, no. If it's upside down. No.

[Jess]

Like, how do you get down?

[Trisha Paytas]

Has it ever happened? I'm sure.

[Jess]

I'm sure it does.

[Trisha Paytas]

My God, that's so scary.

[Jess]

Oh. An emergency crew will have to come

[Trisha Paytas]

in and do what, though?

[Jess]

And do it either manual override.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh.

[Jess]

To. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. To unlock the drive system. Wow. And then they can slowly rotate the car into an upright position.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jess]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

So scary.

[Jess]

Or they'll come up and then secure you with a harness and then take you out of the. The seat of the roller coaster. That's scary.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's really scary. And I get it. Like, you know, don't be. Don't be afraid to live your life. But I don't think you need to do this. This. Just don't go upside down ones.

[Jess]

Like, I don't like a lube de lube. I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's the thrill of it? What is the upgrade?

[Jess]

Even in Disneyland, they have the jack Jack coaster, the incred coaster, and that goes upside down, like, really quick. It's California Adventure, and I can do that one, but I'm scared when I do it.

[Trisha Paytas]

You do a loop, do you close your eyes?

[Jess]

Oh, yeah. And I'm screaming the whole time, like,

[Trisha Paytas]

I can't control a loop.

[Jess]

Darian likes a loop. He likes Six Flags a lot. To me, it's. I feel like. And no offense to Six Flags. This is just my interpretation. My opinion. Sometimes it feels like it's just like things are a little rusty. It looks like nuts and bolts. Someone's just coming with a wrench, like, tightening it. It doesn't seem like the most cutting edge technology. So I get a little scared.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, no, same. Someone's just, like, up there, like you

[Jess]

said, like, the food is good, though. They got good funnel Cake.

[Trisha Paytas]

Six Flags.

[Jess]

They gotta have good funnel cake at the Six Flags. Let me tell you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can't compete to a Disney churro. There's just no way. Or a Knott's Berry Farm jam. Or Medieval Times chicken. Oh, yeah, Medieval Times. Six Flags all day, every day. There's just no comparison. No comparison. That sounds terrifying. Are they okay? Is everyone okay?

[Jess]

Yeah, everyone was okay. And they reopened the following day.

[Trisha Paytas]

And people are like, okay, let me go on that ride. I did go on one Six Flags ride. It was the 10 katsu. Is that what it's called?

[Jess]

Yes, it's still there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it still there?

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

They made me do it for who Wants to Be a Superhero? Like, if you don't want it, you're gonna eliminate it. And I was like. And then I got eliminated anyways. I was like, what was the point of that? Because it was to, like, look for clues in the park. And my eyes were just closed the entire time. So when I got down, he's like, what did you see? And I'm like, nothing. Cuz my eyes were closed, so. That challenge was so dumb. I hate it.

[Jess]

Funniest thing ever.

[Trisha Paytas]

As soon as we pulled for Six Flags, I remember being like, like, it's over. I don't want to do this. And I was only 18. I didn't want to die at 18. I was like, no. I was so scared. That show was crazy.

[Jess]

That was funny. Darian made us get an annual pass the Six Flags after we went the first time. I hate it that much. But I always left, like, my brain feeling rattled and my neck feeling stiff. Let me tell you. Because you're really jostling at Six Flags, let me tell you.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're right. You know what? Now that you said that, I remember my neck hurting too. It's just like this stiff neck and it's just. Yeah, it gives you whiplash. They need better, you know, the ones that you, like, dangle your feet and stuff.

[Jess]

I'm like, oh, I hate that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that still there as, like, Superman or whatever?

[Jess]

That's Batman.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's with their DC stuff? They have a tie to it or what? Interesting. I wonder if they still, like, they keep it forever. They have to renew that line.

[Jess]

I'm sure that's gonna expire soon. I would think. Especially with Warner Brothers buying. I mean, Paramount buying Warner Brothers.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then what happens with all the licenses? They. They just.

[Jess]

They'll have. Some of them will have to be renewed, I'm sure, or removed.

[Trisha Paytas]

Aquaman's going out. When we went on The WB tour. There was not one Aquaman merch and they had Aquaman displays everywhere. And I was like, why would you not have Aquaman?

[Jess]

Yeah. There was every Justice League hero, but no Aquaman.

[Trisha Paytas]

Even the Flash, which is like both the actor and the superhero is problematic.

[Jess]

Well, the Flash should have a show for several seasons, which I think helped it.

[Trisha Paytas]

A new show or an old show?

[Jess]

It was an old show. It was pretty Ezra Miller. Grant Gustin from Glee, surprisingly, was the Flash.

[Trisha Paytas]

Grant was like the new kid from Ohio. Oh, no, they were in Ohio. Grant was on the Glee Project.

[Jess]

No, Grant was one of the Warblers with Blake. What's not. What's his name?

[Trisha Paytas]

Blake?

[Jess]

Yes. Who was the actor that plays him again?

[Trisha Paytas]

Darren Criss.

[Jess]

Darren Criss.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I don't remember that show at all. I guess it was not a hit. But also that's why they have the merch, I think. So Flash is kind of lame because

[Jess]

they also had the other like CW shows. They had like the Supergirl. That was the CW Supergirl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. That was short lived too.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

They really need to a revamp. James Gunn.

[Jess]

There is a Supergirl new Supergirl coming out literally in like two weeks, three weeks.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, how come I've heard nothing about it? It like, there's no promo out, right? There's no.

[Jess]

Like there hasn't been a ton.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was there a trailer?

[Jess]

There has been a trailer, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you see Jason Momoa in it?

[Jess]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

I need to see this immediately. Is he like a big part? Does he look cool?

[Jess]

Yeah, he's the villain or anti hero, I guess he's a big part. It's like him and Millie Alcock from House of the Dragon as the villains. No, Millie Alcock is super good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Jess]

But they're the two, like leads.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's just. I still think that's so crazy to turn like Aquaman into a villain. Like, that's so crazy. But yeah, what is the difference? What is an anti hero? What does that mean? Just the opposite of a hero.

[Jess]

Like it's a hero that goes both ways. I suppose there's something a little. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can do something villainous every now and then. I guess we're all anti heroes at the end of the day.

[Trisha Paytas]

Very. Mr. Shu.

[Jess]

He's the anti hero of Glee Or Matthew Morrison. Both.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, they could go either way. Sometimes they're heroes, sometimes they're villains. He was villainous in there for sure.

[Jess]

Yeah. In real life.

[Trisha Paytas]

But Jason Momoa or Mr. Shue.

[Jess]

Oh, Mr. Shue Morrison. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He did save Just In Time has finally recouped there. It's the first musical in, like, this whole season that has recouped their money on Broadway because usually they, like, everything's closing. Like, Death Becomes her is closing. Like, and that's huge. But, like, every show. Schmigadoon. Like, every show is closing, but Just In Time has recouped, which is, like, unheard of for a Broadway musical in this day and age.

[Jess]

So is that the one that's just him?

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Jess]

Is that the one that's just Matthew Morrison?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it's Bobby Darren's Life. No, there's, like, other people in it. Oh, but, like, yeah, like, Jonathan Groff opened it.

[Jess]

Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Then it was Matthew Morrison, and now it's Jeremy Jordan.

[Jess]

Oh, it's not The Matthew Morrison's 911 show. What more he's like. And it was 9 11. That's what I was thinking.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's the Matthew Morrison experience or something like that.

[Jess]

I was like, how did that recoup? Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Could you imagine? No. But he did go in for. In the interim between Jeremy Jordan and Jonathan Groff, so I feel like he might have helped. It may be a little bit. You don't know Bobby Darin?

[Jess]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't know one Bobby Darin song?

[Jess]

No. My apologies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have you ever seen the movie with Kate Bosworth and bleep?

[Jess]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Dream Lover. Until then I'll go to sleep and dream again.

[Jess]

Never heard of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Splish Splash. I was taking a bath on a Saturday night. Oh, how do you know that one?

[Jess]

Probably from a cartoon or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

What? They did Bobby Darin in a cartoon?

[Jess]

I think that was like a. Like a kid's song when the kids had to take a bath.

[Trisha Paytas]

Splish Bosch.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I don't know if that is. But anyways, we went a far ways away from where we were talking about Magic Mountain. Oh, yeah. Superman. Superheroes. You know, Superman was on an episode of Glee as a Warbler. The one you like. No, no, the one I like. Matt Bomber. No, he wasn't Superman.

[Jess]

He was almost Superman. Matt Bowmer.

[Trisha Paytas]

But he was gay.

[Jess]

Yes, the way you said that. Yeah. No, you're right. But the way you said it was crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, that's crazy. He looks like Superman.

[Jess]

Supposed to be Superman, but they didn't want to cast an openly gay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did they actually say that?

[Jess]

Basically, I was.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a crazy thing, like, to say. I feel like they could get sued for that.

[Jess]

Like, we just don't want those early

[Trisha Paytas]

2000s, you know, Superman was definitely queer with Those undies. He was showing the bulge and he didn't care who saw it, you know, 100%.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He gives me. Yeah, okay, well, their loss. I love that. But did you know that the ugly episode he was in. But you didn't have to. But you didn't have to cut me up. And he sings so good.

[Jess]

Yeah, he is a good singer.

[Trisha Paytas]

He should have been on it more. Looks a little too old to be in Glee Club, but I guess they all kind of did, huh?

[Jess]

He was probably a similar age to some of the Glee kids, I would think at the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

They were so old. It's like, what? I don't know.

[Jess]

Someone said that in a review of Saranghye that Trisha Paytas is like the.

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw it. I not even know Glee personified. It seemed like a compliment, but then it seemed like not a compliment. Then it seemed like a backhand a compliment. And I was like. And they're like, well, then she's like. But also maybe less controversial than Glee. Which I was like, okay. Because she had kind of the same. Where she plays every. But also maybe less. I think I'm less controversial. And Glee. Glee was crazy. Glee was. Okay, I'll take it. Yeah, I did like that review. I was. I liked it. Then I unlocked it because, you know, sometimes you think it's good and then you're like, yeah, that's why. That's where people get in trouble when they like something. Cuz they see something and they're like, oh, this is great.

[Jess]

Like, you got to remember the watch time is five seconds. So yeah, those first five seconds are

[Trisha Paytas]

five to ten seconds for sure. Yeah. Alex Cooper's pregnant.

[Jess]

Oh, yes. Congrats, Alex Cooper.

[Moses]

Well, now it's gonna be an actual daddy gang.

[Jess]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Call her mommy. That was the.

[Moses]

We wanted to use that.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was the name of me. And in the original podcast.

[Jess]

I got it. That is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was my pitch. I was like, I was ready to

[Jess]

put the onus on uncle, but damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, I should be like, call her mommy. And we're gonna do like a mommy podcast.

[Jess]

I forgot you do love a spin on an existing podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. I thought that was so good. And I was in my mommy era. Like, I just had mad with me. I'm a mommy. Like, call her mommy. And then she's like, no. And then we went with.

[Jess]

You love a spin.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do. It's a good one. Call her mommy. Where you talk about a mom podcast.

[Moses]

Well, that's what the reality was when they got together. Most of the talk was about a C sections.

[Jess]

Don't worry, I remember all three episodes.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're just like, let's talk about a C section.

[Jess]

I saw the Tik Toks.

[Trisha Paytas]

I remember who was editing those Tik Toks. I don't even remember. You could have been on that. But Colleen said, no, we don't need a producer. We can just riff. And I'm like, girl, we needed. We needed something.

[Moses]

Not to lawyers and

[Trisha Paytas]

lawyers. Protection.

[Jess]

Contracts.

[Trisha Paytas]

Contracts. Yeah, all of it. Well, it went nowhere.

[Jess]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was the original Flopcast.

[Jess]

Flop Guys at least has more episodes.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is true. I know. Damn. It only lasted three. That might have been my shortest lived podcast. Damn.

[Jess]

That was a wild time.

[Trisha Paytas]

And a lost fourth episode. Why I had to be Ursula and she was Ariel. And I was like,

[Jess]

I guess a good segue. I do have a Ballinger family update. I mean, we talked about it a little bit on Patreon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, we did? Yeah.

[Jess]

But there's been an update since the Patreon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yeah.

[Jess]

So the tldr, if you want the full. I see it too long. Too long. Didn't read. So it's just like the quick summary.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I always see that on Twitter.

[Jess]

The jizz, if you will. But yeah, the. The jizz is Adam McIntyre is. Was a brought on as a feature creator at Vidcon. And the same day that they announced him and confirmed all his flights and all his information, he found out that Rachel Ballinger, Colleen's sister, was also a featured creator. And in discussions with Vidcon, they said that they can't control her guests. So if. And it's very likely that Colleen was going to be her plus one, because they do a podcast together and there's nothing they could do about it, even if it makes Adam uncomfortable. That's like the TLDR on Patreon. We go into it more with exclusive information. I think it's pretty exclusive, but I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, and maybe it's like, it gives me anxiety. I don't know why. And I'm not even part of this, like, now. Like, my tummy hurts thinking about it. Okay.

[Jess]

Yes. But there has since been an update and the latest information is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no.

[Jess]

Con has removed Rachel Ballinger from the lineup. Yes. Due to backlash. It's not crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, we were talking about this even going to boiling crap, you know, like after Hot Topics. Like, we're done with Hot Topics. I don't really care about anything we talk about. But we were talking on the way to boiling crab. And I'm like, what is. Why would. Would. Why would they want. Do you know what I mean? Like, all of it. All of it around. Why would YouTube won't. Rachel there when she, like, doesn't do YouTube anymore? And also, like, why would they want the backlash? Oh, my God, That's. Did Adam make a video about it?

[Jess]

Yeah, he made a video about it, and it was like he had just gotten home. He was, like, texting me about it, and then he's like, I'm gonna go home, make a video about it. He was like, I'm leaving the bar. I'm going home to make a video. I was like, work. I'm seated.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that. Very me in 2000, like, accident. I wasn't at a bar. I was just home drinking, drinking. But

[Jess]

I'm going home and I'm making a video. I was like, scarce.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can't wait to see it.

[Jess]

And, yeah, he just made, like, a video, just reacting to it. It was very attrition in the sense that it was like a record straight to tape, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, just, like, record as soon as possible. The reaction to them removing Rachel?

[Jess]

No, this was when he found out that Rachel was also going to be a feature creator, because it was very much like he didn't know what he was going to do. He doesn't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a lot going.

[Jess]

He just got his flights confirmed that same day. Yeah, he had already made, like, plans to do other appearances while he was in la. He said, I don't know what I would do if I don't go. I said, don't ask James Charles for money, but that was my advice.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or maybe. Maybe.

[Jess]

But, yeah, he was still, like, on the fence. He has since confirmed that he's going. And the same. Ironically, the same time he confirms he's going, he finds out from VidCon that they have removed Rachel from the lineup. Those muckers. Those muckers really come through because they got. Vidcon got a lot of backlash. A lot of backlash. They responded to comments on their Instagram saying, like, people were saying, do better. And they replied saying that they have revised the lineup and she's also off the website completely.

[Trisha Paytas]

Does that mean uninvited or just not being promoted?

[Jess]

Uninvited. Like, she's not on the lineup at all anymore?

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Like, in all seriousness, I feel like, you know, I handle, like, a traumatic time in my life, like, with, like, jokes and whatever, whatever. But, you know, I think that was, like, the responsible thing to do. Because it is. At the end of the day, I think we do lose the plot, right? Because obviously the ukulele of it all, and then it becomes a spectacle, this whole thing. But, like, they really did harass Adam multiple times, called him a liar. On the YouTube platform, Adam's now a featured creator being used as the advertisement. And he's like, I don't feel. I don't feel, like, comfortable or safe. Like, that's. I'm glad they did the right thing. I think if you harass another creator, you know, I want to say, like, get removed from the platform. Although maybe, like, you shouldn't be able to do that. But if you're at a YouTube event and they're trying to promote both of you and one of you has harassed the other creator, like, I do think that's a very logical. And I'm glad. I'm glad they did it because, yeah, we were talking about it, and I remember. I just. It was at the end of the Patreon, I was just like, that's kind of weird. I was, like, trying to, like, think over it and stuff. Like, them, like, it's kind of weird. They'd, like, want. Because at the end of the day, too, there hasn't been apologies from Rachel or Colleen directly to Adam. And I think that's a huge problem because to this day, she still thinks Adam's, like, a liar when there was just proof of her, like, manipulating footage and stuff to make it seem like one way or the other and just a series of things. So that's amazing. I think that's good. And again, unbiased. I do think that's good because I do think. Think there has to be some protection. Like, people just can't harass other creators, you know, viciously and with malice, obviously. Like, editing footage to look a different thing or, like, purposely lying about something. Also, he was a child.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you can be 13 on YouTube. Like, it's not, you know, it's not. Like he was. Whatever. He was a child. And that's good. I wonder, did you have a statement from him? Have you heard from him since this news? Where'd you hear this?

[Jess]

Oh, I just. I texted and I was like, oh, are you okay if we talk about it? And he's like, wait, there's. There's. She is not going anymore. And I'm still going. And I was like, okay, great. And he sent me a little screenshot of them a bitcom replying to comments. And he was like, lmao. I'm like, real, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he was like, you can talk about it.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. He probably was gonna make a video about it. I was.

[Jess]

I'm sure. Yeah. But I was happy for him. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Good for him for being, like, also speaking out about it. Could have gone one or two ways.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

YouTube could have been like, we don't like this. You're out.

[Jess]

Yeah. So that's what I told him, too. I was like, you have, like, a lot of. Of influence now more than them. Like, and I feel like they should kind of be more intimidated by you. Because he. I admire him because he's very much, like, bold. He's very bold, and he will. And he stands by what he says and he's not afraid to say it, even if it's like, it means that he'll be antagonized by other fan bases or whatever. Like, it won't stop him from speaking, which is really.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he. I admire that too, because I'm scared. I'm scared of every fan base. I'm like. And I. I.

[Jess]

Your little disclaimer. Don't come for me, girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, don't come for me, hrh. Don't come from me any. Like. But if someone's an awful person, like James Charles or in my opinion, Colleen, obviously, I don't know, like, Rachel that well, but it's like, to me, an awful person is someone who takes, like, zero accountability, still puts the blame on someone who's clearly a victim. Like, that, to me, is like a bad person. And you show bad faith, especially as creator to creator, because has. It should be for everybody. But also, it's like, there's another creator on the platform that you, like, harmed. Like, when did you want to, like,

[Jess]

yeah, you're right, because I do. I forget about that too, because Vidcon was telling him, like, you know, we have had to deal with creators who, like, have feuds or whatever before, and we just try not to get involved or whatever. But this is different. When he was like, a minor and he came forward, talked about getting sent underwear from Colleen, and then Colleen, like, manipulated the footage to make it look like she was innocent. And it was Adam that was, you know, instigating the whole thing. And he was a minor and, like, I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which even if he did, which he didn't, it's like he was like, 13. Like, if a 13 year old's like, hey, Trish, send me your underwear, I'm not gonna be like, yeah, what's your address? Like, no, like, but also, you were the one. And then like, flip it that whole time. Yeah, it does enrage me, but I'm so. I'm so happy for him because I know he already, like, make the plans and stuff, and I'm. I'm glad they did the right thing. And I. And I do think, like I said, I never want to come too hard. Like, too hard. It's like. But it's like. Like, I do think people can, like, move past things, but I think it starts with, like, an apology. I think apologies go, like, such a long way. Even if you don't accept. Even if you're like, I don't like, the. You know, like, the James Charles one doesn't count. I was gonna say, like, the James Charles, but it's because even if you don't accept it. But he had to do a. I think you need to do a public apology to specific people. If you did it on a public platform, like, James, like, you know, Colleen to Adam, like, I think it needs to be a public platform, and, like, then it can at least there's somewhere to go. There's some, like, wiggle room for their fans to be like, well, she apologized. Like, what do you want? But. But.

[Jess]

And also the reverse of that, too, is like, yeah, there's, like, still Colleen has less fans now, obviously, but there's still that group that, like, will always have her back and be like, yeah, Adam was a liar because she said it. You know, there's still people taking her word for it. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

JoJo, wasn't she calling people liars, like, literally a couple years ago? Like, everyone lied. And I was like, well, okay, not everyone. We know. A lot of people did not, you know, and it's been caught. But, yeah, that's good. That's good. I, like, at least there's some justice in the YouTube world.

[Jess]

Yeah, I'm glad he can go and, like, not be anxious. And it's a lot that experience be, like, ruined for him because he was so excited. And I did feel bad. Like, I forget the age difference and, like, how validating that must be to me. I'd be like, okay, well, they're not paying me whatever. But for him, just, like, the validation of doing it on his own and making it on his own, like, he was very sad about it. So I felt terrible.

[Trisha Paytas]

But, yeah, sometimes even just, like, seeing, for me personally, like, if I even, like, think if I even, like, would see someone, that there's only a few people in life that may, like, trigger me, and I use it kind of, like, loosely. But, like, sometimes just seeing people can give me anxiety. Like, if I even think someone's gonna be at this thing. It's like, it gives me anxiety to think that they could even possibly be there. So I like, avoid everything. I moved out of the Valley. I was like, I'm going far away. Because there's like just. Even the idea of running into certain. A certain person that's like. Obviously I don't think there'd be like any confrontation, but I definitely get, like, anxious. Just triggers, like a fight or flight and you sort of thing.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that's good. Maybe we'll go then. We talked about going.

[Jess]

You talked about sending me, but I don't know why you're saying we. Who's the we?

[Trisha Paytas]

You're the journalist. You. This is your thing. We've been talking. We talked about this on Patreon. This is like your Super Bowl. And I feel like it was. Was well, relive for the nostalgia of

[Jess]

it all because I'm going to the lineup now. And the. I just like. And this is with no malice at all. I just don't know a lot of the. This new wave of attendees.

[Trisha Paytas]

We knew Sniper Wolf.

[Jess]

We knew Sniper Wolf. We knew Glozell, obviously legend.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's been going for so long. Gosh, people.

[Jess]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

I met her when I was 18 outside Jay Leno. God, she's been around for so long. That's literally 20 years ago. So insane. Good for her. I feel like a Rosanna Pansino would be there.

[Jess]

Oh, Rosanna. Yes, yes, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

She, like, loves a vidcon.

[Jess]

She is Sniper Wolf of Stonzi Potenza. I do know her. She's a tick tocker and comedian. So I know about four Tubbo. I feel like I've heard that name before.

[Trisha Paytas]

What a name. Oh, there. Speaking of Tubbo, there are plus size K pop girls and they're called like the Piggy Dolls.

[Moses]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Someone's like, no, you're forgetting about the Piggy Dolls. And there's like three of them. Because I was like our first plus size K pop star.

[Jess]

Oh, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Shout out. I mean, diabolical that their name has to be piggy dolls.

[Jess]

But I three member girl group. They debuted in January 2011. Fear I had a good time, so

[Trisha Paytas]

never forget the ones that came before me. 2nd gen is 6th gen. I pay respect to the Piggy Dolls.

[Moses]

People did ask in the comments what the name of the fandom.

[Jess]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think the fandom has to come up with it. I don't know. Unless you guys can think of one. I don't know.

[Jess]

It has to Be separate from fishies. Like, it has to be fishies. I feel like it has to be something else.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can't take army, I suppose. What are we taking? No icons. What is our name? Let us know. What is the trish unnie stand called? I don't know. What is the Mukbanger? The Mukbangers.

[Jess]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe the. You guys let me know. I don't know.

[Jess]

I know. Yeah, you're right. I feel like the fans have to

[Trisha Paytas]

decide what's the blackpink Stands blinks. Oh, good.

[Moses]

Names.

[Jess]

That is good, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

The icons, the blinks. Okay, so it's kind of something punny. Okay, you guys, let us know. I don't know.

[Jess]

Tea girls.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like that. I do love a tea girl. God bless. Before the dolls, it was a tea girls. Everyone would be like, oh, she's a tea girl girl. Do you remember that?

[Jess]

Yeah, of course.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like dolls too now. I like all of it.

[Jess]

I. I do like dolls is, like, sweeter.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because I also. Everyone's a doll.

[Jess]

She girl feels like, so aggressive doll, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

It gives a little. Yeah, yeah. It also gives like, Kardashian, like, doll.

[Jess]

Hey, doll and I, we live for the dolls. The second I like, whenever I have, like, an oomphie who's like a doll, and I'm just like. It makes me so excited. That's why Eli, I love like. Like, it just makes me so happy. The seal of approval from the dolls.

[Trisha Paytas]

I want to be a doll. I am a doll. I would love to be and everything. We love you guys so much. Maybe that's my K pop fandom. The dolls. Oh, yeah.

[Jess]

That could be good.

[Trisha Paytas]

The.

[Jess]

I guess. But when I think dolls, I don't think, like. I feel like people can take that anyway, like, protect the dolls. Are they gonna think automatically Trish Dance fans, Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe not. Okay. Yeah. It needs to be more specific.

[Jess]

Yeah. Because if there's a hashtag, then people are gonna, like, take it all kinds of ways. You gotta think, like, if it's trending on Twitter, are they gonna associate with, like, automatically?

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe the cheese poles?

[Jess]

That's actually amazing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It could also mean, like, you have pole and we're also a little cheesy. Yeah. Eaters feeders.

[Jess]

Again, the hashtag will get a little diluted.

[Moses]

You know what I mean?

[Jess]

There'll be a lot of content working

[Trisha Paytas]

titles for all of our fandom. Are you done? I took off the headphones, which you never do. Oh, it's like, on that note, I know you're going, oh, you're going. Okay. You guys have similar shoes on today. You're both wearing like these black chunky sandals.

[Jess]

Yeah, I.

[Trisha Paytas]

That looks so comfy.

[Jess]

I got my laptop on my toe so I had to wear my, my sandals.

[Trisha Paytas]

You okay?

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are those Crocs?

[Jess]

These are Uggs, actually.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. I do love an Ugg and a Croc because my feet are wide and they fit perfectly in there. Keds also has a wide fit.

[Jess]

I have no easy transition to this. But there was a tiktoker that was accused of being in a murderer for hire plot against her child's father, who was an ex boy bander.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who's the boy bander?

[Jess]

We are not gonna, you know, why don't we.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why don't we. Is the name of the band? Yeah. No. Where are they at? Where was this band?

[Jess]

2018, 2019.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, and he was young. He was like a young boy in it.

[Jess]

Yeah. How old is he now? His name is Jack Avery and his ex girlfriend, he is 26 years old. So he's very young.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. And he killed somebody?

[Jess]

No, his ex was in. Was going to. Was trying to hire a hitman on him.

[Trisha Paytas]

How do they, how do people find out about that? I always hear stories. It's like they hire a hitman. How do you know? Did the hitman come to you?

[Moses]

Usually the hitman they try to hire is an informant or a police officer.

[Jess]

And that's what happened here.

[Trisha Paytas]

How does that happen? I don't understand. Like there's a place to go to hire a hitman and then like the informants are just like on there and they're like, actually you hired an informant. Right. How does that work? I'm so confused. Wouldn't you have to know your hitman? Like you can't just hire a stranger.

[Moses]

But that's usually what happens. People start somewhere and, you know, you just start asking around and people are like, this person is, you know, trying to do something, so they get an informant in there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Damn.

[Jess]

Because her name is Gabby Gonzalez. She was arrested for plotting allegedly for allegedly plotting to have her singer, Jack Avery, who is her baby daddy. Informer. I don't remember.

[Trisha Paytas]

They have a baby together.

[Jess]

Yes. They had a seven year old daughter and that. That's what she was trying to get him murdered for. For custody. Allegedly over custody. They allegedly said that it was going to be too expensive to battle in court over custody, so it would be cheaper to just have him killed. Allegedly.

[Moses]

And now definitely she's gonna lose the baby.

[Jess]

Yeah. So I would think, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my Gosh, yes.

[Jess]

And the alleged plot goes back all the way to 2020, 21. And actually, ironically, it all goes back to Zach sang. Jack Avery was talking to Zach sang and talked about a scary experience where he found out that someone was trying to kill him, but he did not know it was his ex that was plotting it, because in the same episode, he talks about how great of a mom she is.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he's like, I know someone's trying to kill me. But he didn't know it was her.

[Jess]

Yeah, he didn't know that she allegedly was the. The one sourcing the hitman.

[Trisha Paytas]

So were they still married? Were they still, like, seeing each other there?

[Jess]

They were. Yeah. Yeah, they're co parenting.

[Trisha Paytas]

So when did this all get revealed? Just now. Just recently.

[Jess]

She got arrested today, so that. Yeah, it's breaking news.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Did he have a statement? Is he on Tick Tock? What's he saying?

[Jess]

I don't think his, like, inkling is to run to Tick Tock.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, Tana would be. Tana would be right there. Me too. Honestly, like, guys, this is crazy.

[Jess]

I don't know. Tanner took a couple days for Coachella. Her Coachella story, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. That's true. Yeah.

[Jess]

Like, two days to process. Wow. It is like a nutty story.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Jess]

Yeah, it was her. And her father was also arrested. He was the co conspirator, and he was all the way in Florida, and she was in la. And yeah, she's a pretty popular tick tocker.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's her name?

[Jess]

Her name is Gabby Gonzalez, and she got pregnant at 17, and I guess she was in, like, a tick tock squad of, like, teen moms. Like a group of.

[Trisha Paytas]

God, I probably have seen her.

[Moses]

Those groups.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I want to see.

[Jess]

It's always.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I feel like the sounds so familiar now. Like, I feel like that name sounds familiar. I need to see her. How do you spell With a wire?

[Jess]

And I G, A B, B, I, E. Gonzalez.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, let's see. Whoa. Oh, my gosh. What? What. What is. What is happening? I'm so confused. Oh, my God. And why was the dad. What?

[Jess]

He was booked for the same crime, so. Yeah, allegedly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses]

The fact that your parent is not trying to dissuade you from doing something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Let me help you in this. This murder for hire.

[Jess]

They were in the middle of a custody battle, and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Jess]

The father was also involved. Yeah, go.

[Trisha Paytas]

You probably would have gotten it. Usually the moms always get the baby. Like, I don't think it was she doesn't want to have any c. Like, it's. The whole thing is very weird. Now you won't see your baby ever. Like, what a weird, sad case.

[Jess]

And it said. Yeah, yeah. STMZ was the first to break the story, and they said that federal and local officers have been working on the case for quite some time. So I guess they've just been, like, undercover waiting for.

[Trisha Paytas]

Waiting for what?

[Jess]

Like, for the. You have to have, like, proof, obviously, or enough evidence. Like, do that. Actual arrest.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was gonna say, what is the proof in this?

[Moses]

Like, if she pays somebody, like, you

[Jess]

have to actually hire the hitman who is not actual. An actual hitman is an officer.

[Trisha Paytas]

But Jack knew about this five years ago.

[Jess]

He knew that there was someone. Someone out to get him or. Yeah, he knew there was someone else to get him. Didn't know, like, the source didn't know it was because of custody. Yeah, because it was like a five year long. Allegedly a five year long plot.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, it took a long time for her to make the decision.

[Jess]

I think she's been trying different people

[Trisha Paytas]

trying to raise the money. What's happening?

[Jess]

She was DMing James Charles. Yeah, that. That was.

[Trisha Paytas]

He would be at the center, in my opinion, allegedly for entertainment. That's so crazy, though. What? Crazy? That's just breaking news today. Wow.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, gosh. I mean, honestly, not to be that person, but maybe, you know, check out no CD or something, because these people need some help. And I feel really sad that this is our state of the world. And, like, the parent on top of that, it's like, what. What is happening?

[Jess]

Encouraging it. Yeah. And I guess all the way back in 2021, she was, like, hiring people to, like, stalk him, allegedly, and just try to get photographs of him doing anything, like, bad, like either smoking or drinking. And he lives in Hawaii at the time. So, yeah, she was trying to get anything that she could use in the custody battle to, like, derail it and for her to get sole custody of their daughter.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, I'm so scared for this world. I, like, literally just want to stay in a bubble forever. Like, what is. What is like? And she's like a tick tocker and she's like, cute, and she has a kid and she's like, young, and it's just like. Like, I can see if you're like an old ugly hag, but it's like you're like a cute influencer with your whole life ahead of you.

[Jess]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

And a cute boyfriend, a cute baby. Your dad sounds bad crazy so I'm going to blame him that there's something wrong with you through him, but damn. Poor baby too. Now the baby doesn't have the mom. It's like.

[Jess]

And seven is like, old enough to know things are.

[Trisha Paytas]

Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm okay. That's wild.

[Jess]

I was shocked. I mean, I didn't. I knew. Why don't we. From work. We interview them a lot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Same with the band. Is that what you're saying? Why don't we.

[Jess]

Yeah, yeah, sorry. I knew the. Of the band. So when I saw the headline, I was like, this sounds insane. And then saying that she was like a popular tik tocker, I was like, damn, damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tik Tok is wild. There was this girl who. When you talking about summer camp earlier, she said she was like, at summer camp. Camp. And then they, like, took her out of summer camp. Was like, your mom has been like, murdered. And then she. Can I go back to summer camp? Like, she was just like, trauma, trauma. Like, traumatized by it all. And she's like, you know, she was like a kid, so she didn't really know, but she's like, okay, well, I guess she's like, not coming home. So should I, like, go back to summer camp? And I was like, this is that app. Tick Tock is wild. Sometimes you just open an app and you find out like, it's someone's entire life story. Like, oh, my God, this feels like I shouldn't be hearing all this. Or it's also like, are you okay? Yeah, you now TikTok is the over sharing app.

[Jess]

You beat me to it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. I was like, oh, I remember when that title came up for a memoir. I was like, maybe you should call it oversharing. I was like. And I had to explain why. And like. But no one will know. I'm a guy will know. I will know. I will know. But, you know, I guess that's good. TikTok or therapy. Oh, my God. People have, like, just some sad lives. And this is really sad. Yikes. All right, well, hope she gets some help.

[Jess]

Well, Brain probably be in prison, so I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you. For life, For a. For a thought, for conspiracy.

[Jess]

I mean, she tried a hot. That's a gag. Like, it wasn't just a thought. It was like, acted out. Right. Because she actually paid.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. That gets me eerie.

[Jess]

I don't know how long. Right now she's being held without bail, which is pretty serious. Obviously. Sleep so. Because even. Do you know that the CHUD guy that Chud guy. He's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who's chud?

[Jess]

That Chud the streamer. Chud, whatever. He, like, is got arrested for attempted murder and, like, shot people. But even he has bail for 1.2 million, so the fact that she's being held without bail is kind of crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

But shot some people on stream?

[Jess]

I don't know. I don't remember if it was on stream or not. I tried. I just read the. The. The tldr, and I kept it moving because it seemed like the scary side of the Internet. The Aiden Ross sphere. Sphere with her.

[Moses]

They probably fear that she will continue trying to achieve her goal, so they have to keep her.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so scary.

[Jess]

Yeah. But I don't know, like, what the sentencing is. Let me see. Like, how long can you be held?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think you'd be held for, like, a long time. I don't know. You get feet. Do you get fed in prison?

[Jess]

Yes, you do get fed.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you get?

[Jess]

Really basic meals, but you can. They have, like, the commissary thing where, like, the money that you get sent or whatever, you can pay for, like, a bag of chips or something like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'd be in the chips. Everyone gets, like, cigarettes and stuff. I'd be like, give me those chips. Give me some Fritos and a washcloth. Triggered. I was thinking about that. My apology to the UK is like, oh, my gosh. Me crying over washcloths. Oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry for being an embarrassment on your television. I just want to washcloth. I was in a chair like this too.

[Jess]

And you were crisscross applesauce, were you not?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I was. I was. I was paled. I'm gonna get a spray tan, so don't worry. You'll see that steamy can. But, yeah, I was just like. I was so tiny there. I was tiny because I wasn't eating. There was no food, saying, moses, hey, I'm getting a little worried that I'm not going to be able to eat the next few days. I'm scared. You guys let me know. No, not by choice, but even their McDonald's is, like, it's. There's like, no preservatives or anything in it, so it tastes too fresh. The chicken tastes like chicken.

[Moses]

I'm like, we can pack you some from home. They don't. Nothing happens today.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can you bring me some Bolognese? You know, I. With love. I don't. I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm. I'm Hoping to have a good time, a good food experience this time, so please let me know.

[Jess]

But there's gotta be something good to eat over there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Beans, toast, everything. Popcorn. It's not. It's not. But I'm gonna try my best. I love you, uk. And honestly, it's fine if I don't eat. It's fine. I do love some crisp. They have something that's an equivalent to Lays. I forgot what it's called, but they're pretty. They're pretty good. So I'm. I'll have some chips or. So Kinder. You know that Kinder's gonna be good over there. That's about all, I think. I don't know what else but tea. No tea, no shade.

[Jess]

They have good tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, tea.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Yeah. The actual tea.

[Jess]

Oh, the real.

[Trisha Paytas]

I will get a lot, but that's not really filling. I just have some tea for lunch. Thank you so much, but I. Well, I will try some tea. I think my hotel has a little tea hour, so maybe I'll go down and have those little sandwiches or something. Sounds like a good idea.

[Jess]

The prison sentence for conspiracy to commit murder is usually 15 to 25 years. Seems a little low to me, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. Because she can come back out in 20 years. Like. Well, I guess the child will be grown, so I guess she doesn't wear that custody anymore.

[Jess]

Damn. Well, that is crazy to think about.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I'd be scared.

[Jess]

In her 30s, potentially.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but if you had, like, someone had a plot out for me, I'd be. And then you get out of prison 20 years. I'd be scared, like. Like, are you gonna come get me again?

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's scary. That's so scary. Like, that's your life. That's like, your life. And then you have to be scared of that forever. That that person's gonna come back and get you again. Oh, my God. Awful. Terrible. Got a lot of dubious. From one dubious to another, we've been just chucking along.

[Jess]

Last dubious of it all, David Dobrik and the Jeff Whitake law.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would say the most dubious is all.

[Jess]

But maybe not, maybe not for now, it's conspiracy murder.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. When you compare someone, it's like, well, David doesn't seem too bad. Even James Charles. Like, I guess David's, like, not too terrible, but maybe, maybe not.

[Moses]

Actually been badly hurt on that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Huh?

[Moses]

Jeff could have been badly hurt.

[Trisha Paytas]

He could have been badly hurt. But I guess David's not as bad as we all thought. According to Jeff Wittek he said that he did, in fact, according to Jeff, paid his medical bills Team.

[Jess]

Yeah, Jeff. Jeff Wittek, seemingly out of nowhere, revealed that they had settled their lawsuit, released a lengthy statement on social media about David Dobrik, in short, said, I learned that David's company had, in fact offered and provided insurance coverage for my initial medical bills totaling approximately $110,000, along with an additional 41, 000 in medical expenses that David paid out of pocket without pushback. I want to apologize, guys, for the confusion the situation created. Publicly, more than anything, I'm grateful to finally leave this chapter in the past. Very weird. Obviously, it's like a classic, like, settlement statement. But it did seem so wild. The king, like, seemingly out of nowhere, obviously, because, I mean, we haven't heard anything for so long. But the last we heard, which was, I guess last was it last year, the last time we talked where he was, like, very much, like, like, willing to go to trial if he had to. I mean, he did say was his lawyers were doing it pro bono because of how expensive it was. And we know David was really, like, delaying it for a long time. So I don't know if that had anything to do with why they chose

[Trisha Paytas]

to settle, but last I saw, Jeff was November in New York, and he had just done that, like, ayahuasca esque thing, and he was kind of in his peace era, so maybe he was. And he didn't want to talk about David, so maybe it was already headed that direction. I don't know.

[Jess]

I know. I wonder how long it was, like, going. And it just seems so random.

[Trisha Paytas]

But, like, I heard two things that either it's like he got a big settlement and then this was part of that settlement, or to just, like, drop the lawsuit, he had to make this, like, so he wouldn't get sued or something by David. Or you think he got money and made out the statement, or you think that it's just to, like, end it amicably. He's like, okay, I'm just gonna put out the statement.

[Moses]

I mean, he used the word settlement. And like I said, he could have just dropped the lawsuit. He could have just said, you know what? I want to clean break. Don't think about it anymore, Dropping the lawsuit, moving on. So that would be. Yeah, if that's really how he felt,

[Trisha Paytas]

I think good for him. Honestly, I always say this lawsuit suits, like, are the worst. I've. I've won two. Then you don't even, like, get paid. Like, people, like, file bankruptcy and do it, like, to Track it down. Like, this whole thing. Like, well, you can investigate or go to their bank accounts. It's like such a crazy thing, your life, how much time it takes, how much money it takes. Obviously, pro bono is different, but also just, like, the mental toll, the anxiety, like, what this person's gonna come up with and the dig. It's just like, literally the worst thing in the whole world. I wouldn't recommend anyone getting in a lawsuit. It's so annoying. Even if you think mine was just, like, over. Like, literally, like a house thing where it's like, oh, you just owe me, like, the last month rent. That's it. It was like, something so silly, and it was like two years. But it's like something so, like, this just dragged on. I'm happy for him. I'm happy it's over. I hope he did get money. He deserves money and not just the thing. And I hope David did pay. And everyone can tell, in my opinion, that this is like. Like you said, a classic. Like, where did this come from all of a sudden, when the tone changes drastically. Like, if all of a sudden tomorrow, I'm just like, David Dobrik, I am so sorry. I. Nothing I said was true. Do not believe me. I am borderline personality disorder. I'm getting help or something. Like, Lenny would be like, okay, this is like, a weird change of events, but. But honestly, for the settlement check, peace of mind. Because, like, it could be dragged out forever. And I just like. And even if Jeff were to win, you can always be sneaky. You can always, like, file bankruptcy. You can. I think 10 years, it expires. I think in 10 years, you don't have to pay. Like, there's just so many, like, loopholes for it. So I think. I think it's good for him, honestly. And everyone can kind of tell. Everyone sees it. We're like, all right, what if they became friends again? What if they're, like, in the vlogs?

[Jess]

That is kind of the gag, right? Because Jeff's back. Jeff, like, in his statement, also said a former employee was responsible for the miscommunication, which is very odd as well. Spell Sesh actually had, like, clips of the Views podcast where Dave, David, and Natalie, like, went over their side of the story, very specifically, saying, like, they have spent at that time. This was, like, 2021 had, like, offer to pay around $70,000 worth of Jeff surgeries and that they would, of course, continue to pay them, but that Jeff wasn't communicating with them. But then Jeff had responded specifically to that clip Saying, like, that's not true. Natalie hasn't been responding to the emails. They know specifically about every surgery. So there was claims back and forth.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah.

[Jess]

Jeff has since privated every episode or unlisted every episode where he had, like, those inflammatory statements about David, which is really interesting. So I'm assuming, speculating that that was also part of the settlement. Interestingly, I only bring it up just because it just seems interesting. That's all. I'm saying that. So Brian Friedman is, like, a very famous, like, Hollywood attorney and lawyer. His firm just settled the Justin Baldoni Blake Lively lawsuit, and then, like, the next week has another, like, big settlement. Brian Friedman is, like, a very, very good lawyer. Because, like, realistically, I mean, if Blake Lively had, like, eight other women who were willing to testify on her behalf, but made her case, like, look really bad, like, everything getting thrown out, he. He's good. Like, he's a good lawyer. And the fact that she was so willing also to go to court.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. That's so crazy.

[Jess]

You're so interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Jess]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

See, that's the other bad thing about lawsuits. It's like, not saying any particular in these situations, but it's also, like, even if you're, like, so in the right and you're clearly the victim, a good lawyer can always spin it. And it's, like, really scary, especially when you don't have the money for a good lawyer.

[Jess]

Yeah. And she. I mean, between her and Ryan Reynolds, like, so much money. Her statement, I guess, between the two with Blake and Justin, like, their statement almost made Justin Baldoni look a little bit bad because they did say, like. Like, Blake Lively should have been heard, essentially. And then this one is very much like, I should have listened to David Dobr. I. There was miscommunication. He's been a good guy. Like, he wanted to pay whatever. That's kind of.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And also, like, oh, an employee misunderstood. I was like, what employee, Jeff, which is you?

[Jess]

Yeah, I mean, he. And he's had assistance and stuff. So people are wondering, like, would it be the assistant? Because again, in that Jeff FM episode where he responds and reacts to David and Natalie, he's like, my assistant ivan has, like, CCD1 on all the emails. He's a really great assistant. He's been assisting other, like, top executives or firms and stuff. So the speculation, I guess it is maybe he's blaming.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I feel I've known Jeff just as long as David, and it's like, I've always communicated directly with Jeff, and I feel like, something this serious and this, like, I'm sure he's communicating too. Maybe he was cc'd. Ivan was cc'd on the emails or something. But, like, Jeff is definitely in communication because he handles everything. Why would he not handle something this serious directly? Especially if he's like, Natalie's not responding. I don't.

[Jess]

It's. Yeah, the whole thing is very weird. But also, I've never seen that clip before from Views where David and Natalie were talking about it and they specifically said that, like, yeah, Jeff is a victim. He's. It's like, this ruined his life. So that is weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Now it's like, oh, but then also,

[Jess]

there's that Casey Neistat documentary. When that clip leaked.

[Trisha Paytas]

Now's the time, Casey. We need to see it all. Okay. Like, it's the time of documentary shows.

[Moses]

You that one by one, people are getting to back down from who?

[Trisha Paytas]

David.

[Moses]

So Casey got something to not release it. Jeff get something to back down and put out the positive statement.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I'll take. I'll take seven figures to back down. This can become a pro. David Dobrik. You know, I love those waivers and

[Jess]

I love the fact of saying you're hot for the right price. Am I pressing?

[Trisha Paytas]

Say it anyway. I feel like you're still be like, yeah, David's still pretty hot. You throw great parties. The SpongeBob party looked amazing, you know? Yeah. Sponsored by the SpongeBob Movie.

[Jess]

Why?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it was insane. They turned into bikini bottom as helm. I know way too much about this, but I will take that settlement. I have nothing to settle. Honestly, David, as long as you just keep being quiet, it's, you know, like. It's like if you don't say anything, I mean, you do a couple apologies to people. He doesn't do a public apology to Jeff. Like, Jeff kind of was like, all right, sorry about this. But like, he should be like, okay, I'm also sorry that I drove an excavator when I shouldn't have.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because you. You did do something wrong. And this. It is crazy how this happens where like, all of a sudden now it flips and it's like, oh, see, David was a great guy. Well, maybe he covered the expenses of an accident he caused. We still caused the accident. It's kind of of wild, but I'm glad. Sounds like there's peace. Honestly, it probably is. Like, I truly. I'm like, happy for Jeff because it probably is, like, just like a huge relief. And if he did get some money, it does help. I'm sure. Because what happened had happened, but.

[Jess]

And also 2020, like so six years. So literally his entire 30s has been this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Isn't that so sad not being able to like move on. And like I always ask him about like dating and stuff like that. It's just like he just like. He's just not in that space.

[Jess]

So it's like having surgery, still having like ptsd, like having nightmares in the middle of a sleep. Like it is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So hopefully he can heal. He seemed. He did seem really good. Like in New York he seemed like a totally different like Jeff. So hopefully he's still on that path. But it's probably feels so great to have David out of his life because also just like. Yeah, when you go up against someone with money and power and like a big attorney. Sounds horrible. Well, congrats for ending that. Casey, it's your turn to put out the documentary. I'm sure Netflix will buy. Someone will buy it or just do the right thing. Just put it out. Although like you said, you probably won't. Cuz maybe we got. Everyone has a price, don't they? David, we become your super fans.

[Jess]

Check out our link trees. Contact info is there for the right tree.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're back on Snapchat. We love Snapchat.

[Jess]

You're still banned. But I'm not.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'll go on, but I'll help promote it. Put my clips up there, do whatever. I don't know. He does have chips in Costco. He does have waivers, which sounds.

[Jess]

I haven't seen.

[Trisha Paytas]

Isn't a waiver like something you sign to like release liability?

[Moses]

By buying the bag, you automatically sign your life away forever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Talking about David Dobrik. Oh God. The day where we stopped talking about him would be great. You don't really hear much about him. I know he still has a fan base and he gets like 2 million views. But you're like, okay, but it's kind of nice. He's like kind of, kind of just not in the sphere. He's just on Snapchat.

[Jess]

It is weird but like I always think about that too with like canceled YouTubers or whatever, but they still get so many views. I mean, Shane does really, really well. Has like insanely loyal fans who still like really love him. It. I was telling Jimmy about this too. Like I don't think he does still, but there was a time where he was like talking about like how he loves using like AI generated thumbnails and everything. I was like, who said that? And I'm like, how do you get away with all this, but I guess

[Trisha Paytas]

he just lives in this, like, canceled male white. I think that just. Just does it all. I think you could. You could have it all. Cody Ko. Everybody forgot about Cody Co. Yeah. It's just. You'll never. You'll always have a fan base.

[Jess]

Yeah. He gets so many views too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Crazy.

[Jess]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Must be nice.

[Jess]

Zach justice at Vidcon. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

All the Mihai. That's right. All right, well, guys, go to Vidcon. Check out vidcon. I'm glad, McIntyre. I'm very. I'm happy for him. Thank God the Jeff Wittek David Dobrik saga is over. We've seen the videos. We know what happened. It sounds like it's getting paid. And paid Cha Ching. And that's it.

[Moses]

Come see me song.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I'm in my own little K pop, but I'm going to South Korea, so I can't. I don't have time for all this. Okay. I just gonna go over there and saranghe my way across the charts.

[Jess]

Yes. I got the Mama Awards.

[Trisha Paytas]

All of it. We gotta get it going.

[Jess]

And weavers photo cards to make light sticks to me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yeah. Make notes of all that we got to do. We're about to do a house tour on Patreon. We're gonna check out oscarshousepatreon.com Just Trish, come see me in the UK. The British invasion happening Sunday.

[Jess]

The merch is great. I want one of those shirts.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you see it over there?

[Jess]

I saw there. I was like, this is cute.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's cute. Okay, I'll get you. What size? Large. Yeah, I'll get you one. Yes. Cali loved it too. I'll all. Everyone. Yeah, it's really cute. This one on the back has my picture. I'm gonna turn it around. I'm gonna cut it off the hoodie when I'm done wearing it and then turn it around because it has my picture as the queen. And we'll see you over there at Royal Albert Hall. Thank you guys so much for the love and support. We will be back next week with all new episodes. Check out Moses cooking videos. Cooking videos. Mo's cooking videos. All right, love you. Bye.