Alex Cooper Clocks Alix Earlie + Colleen Ballinger's New Song is Worse Than We Thought | Just Trish

Summary

Just Trish Podcast – April 16, 2026

Episode: "Alex Cooper Clocks Alix Earlie + Colleen Ballinger's New Song is Worse Than We Thought"

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode of Just Trish is a classic showcase of Trisha Paytas and co-host Oscar Gracey’s energetic, unfiltered, and often hilarious takes on the week’s biggest pop culture moments. The duo dives deep into the latest celebrity and internet drama — from Coachella chaos, influencer controversies, and celebrity relationships, to music industry gossip and shocking new allegations. Trisha’s candid, sometimes chaotic, perspective paired with Oscar’s pop culture expertise offers listeners a comprehensive and entertaining rundown of all that’s hot and messy in entertainment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Major Life Updates and Good Vibes

• The hosts open by discussing feeling energized and aligned, believing big things are happening for themselves and their listeners. Oscar is on a personal high, with a secret cameo in an up-and-coming pop artist’s music video and buying a house. Moses (Trisha’s husband, frequent comedic contributor) also shares recent successes with sponsored cooking videos.
  • Quote: “There is a shift in the sphere... Everything’s out of retrograde for the first time... I’m manifesting the best vibes for you.” — Trisha [09:36]
• Listeners are encouraged to share their own manifestations in the comments.

2. Coachella Recap: Shows, Scandals & Star Appearances

• The trio provides a full debrief of "Bieberchella," Sabrina Carpenter and Justin Bieber’s sets, Cat’s Eye drama, influencer antics, and the chaos of the crowd.
  • Moses shares his experience being manhandled by Jay-Z’s security in a “midnight Coachella” anecdote [41:48].
• Sabrina Carpenter Set Controversies:
  • Discussed her “yodel” moment and the backlash over ignoring the Arab celebratory “ululation.” Moses, from an Arab background, explains it’s normal and celebratory in his culture.
    • Quote: “I think her mind was just like, oh, it’s the Coachella crowd, where everyone's, like, rolling and being crazy.” — Oscar [17:46]
  • Debate over the long Susan Sarandon video intro and whether the interludes were “too much” for a festival set [18:00].
• Justin Bieber’s Minimalist Show:
  • Trisha and Oscar note the contrast between Bieber’s low-key performance (which some praised as “artistry”) and Sabrina’s extravagant production (which was called “boring”).
    • Quote: “You can’t say the girl out here with 500 dancers... walking on treadmills... is boring, then Justin on YouTube is the peak of artistry…” — Oscar [22:14]
• Merch Mania & Cat’s Eye Drama
  • Details on racing to buy exclusive merch and Cat’s Eye member Mana’s ambiguous departure.
  • Mana’s “hiatus” turns out to be permanent as she’s left out of the new EP rollout and trading cards [13:52].

3. Influencer & Brand Drama at Coachella

• Review of the Starbucks/Coachella influencer controversy: TikTok creator Bran Flakes criticized for going to Coachella with Starbucks, despite their labor and union issues.
  • Discussion on the meaning and optics of boycotts, public perception, and influencer authenticity.
    • Quote: “Sometimes you’re better off because the double down, the explanation... it doesn’t sit right with the everyday person...” — Trisha [34:39]
  • Exposes inflated numbers: “There’s no way Starbucks paid $200,000 per influencer.” [36:12]
• Debate on influencer entitlement and the Coachella experience:
  • Quote: “Influencers are like an individual entity, and the minute you have more than one in the same room, it becomes a problem immediately.” — Moses [46:42]

4. Rumors & Relationships: Coachella Sightings

• Discussion on Jacob Elordi and Kendall Jenner rumored to be cozy at Coachella and Justin Bieber’s afterparty [50:05].
• Haley Bieber’s party drama: Influencers complain about being turned away at the door, sparking debates about entitlement and who’s “really” on the list.

5. Pop Star Gossip: Lena Dunham’s Memoir, Lorde, Jack Antonoff

• Lena Dunham’s new memoir reveals she cheated on Jack Antonoff, spurred by “emotional intimacy” with Lorde during the Melodrama sessions.
  • Quote: “Even if we were in a good relationship, if he’s there caressing... some teen girl in our house, I’d be like, what the—!” — Trisha [83:48]
• The saga sparks nostalgia for mid-2010s pop culture and reflects on Lorde and Jack’s persistent rumors.
• Commentary on messy, “delusional but likable” Lena, and the tangled web of modern celebrity relationships [88:00].

6. Alex Cooper vs. Alex Earl: The “White Girl Drama” Showdown

• Detailed rundown of the simmering feud between the two biggest Alexes in the podcast/influencer world, originating around Unwell Network’s dropping of “Hot Mess with Alex Earl” [98:03].
• Oscar traces the social media timeline, including subtweets, TikTok shade, and Alex Cooper’s on-the-nose response TikTok using “Circus” by Britney Spears (a subtle dig at Alex Earl’s DWTS routine).
  • Quote: “If you want to be about, be about it. Don’t be weak sauce. Don’t be vague posting.” — Oscar [109:10]
• Trisha questions whether the feud is real or a manufactured PR stunt, arguing “Alex Cooper has the most to lose” [94:53]. Speculates someone on Alex Cooper’s social team might have fueled the drama [102:27].

7. Music Industry Updates & Other Internet Gossip

• Katy Perry is under investigation in Australia after Ruby Rose publicly accused her of sexual assault at a party in 2010 [65:28]. Anna Kendrick’s old anecdote about Katy Perry is unearthed. The hosts express shock and disbelief at the wildness of the allegations, but stress “innocent until proven guilty.”
  • Quote: “That might be the wildest thing I’ve ever heard from any celebrity.” — Trisha [72:10]
• Quick hits on the Jonas Brothers, Joey King, Emma Chamberlain, and other pop girls.
• Other notable moments: Debating Lorde’s status as a “pick me” pop girl; reflections on the enduring power—and public perception—of stars from the 2010s and Disney era.

8. Colleen Ballinger’s Latest Song (“Worse Than We Thought”)

• Full takedown of Colleen Ballinger’s latest song, which includes the line “I drug them with melatonin” referring to putting her children to sleep so she could have sex with her husband. The hosts are shocked by the lyrics and the lack of self-awareness post-scandal.
  • Quote: “That’s an insane thing to say... Specifically, girl, with your allegations... That’s the opposite of growth and change.” — Trisha [116:36]
• The group laments that Colleen’s response to being canceled is more bizarre content, not accountability or growth.

9. Clavicular, Kick Streaming, and the Rise of “Looksmaxxing”

• Discussion of controversial streamer Clavicular’s recent overdose, social media spectacle, and ongoing issues with drugs, image, and associations with Andrew Tate [123:54].
• They express skepticism about his persona, speculate he’s chasing fame, and debate the dangers of the “looksmaxxing” mindset.
  • Quote: “His whole focus on looking... you start to walk a very dangerous line.” — Moses [127:45]
• Quick sidebars on influencer Harry Daniels, the cultural weirdness of internet micro-celebrities, and infamous viral personalities.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On pop concert criticism: “You can’t say the girl out here with 500 dancers walking on treadmills... is boring, then Justin on YouTube is the peak of artistry...” — Oscar [22:14]
• On influencer drama: “Influencers are like an individual entity, and the moment you have more than one in the same room it becomes a problem immediately.” — Moses [46:42]
• On internet feuds: “If you want to be about it, be about it. Don’t be weak sauce. Don’t be vague posting.” — Oscar [109:10]
• On Colleen Ballinger’s new song: “That’s an insane thing to say... That’s the opposite of growth and change.” — Trisha [116:36]
• On Lena Dunham’s cheating admission: “Even if we were in a good relationship, if he’s there caressing... some teen girl in our house, I’d be like, what the—!” — Trisha [83:48]
• On Katy Perry allegations: “That might be the wildest thing I’ve ever heard from any celebrity.” — Trisha [72:10]

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Segment Timestamps (MM:SS)

• 00:00–06:00 – Banter, personal updates, Oscar’s music video cameo, good vibes
• 11:00–19:32 – Coachella: Cat’s Eye drama, Mana’s exit, merch drop
• 16:05 – Sabrina Carpenter’s Coachella set, cultural misunderstanding, and pacing controversy
• 22:14 – Justin Bieber’s minimalist set / Fan culture vs. artistry
• 31:41 – Influencer/brand deals at Coachella (Starbucks controversy)
• 41:48 – Moses’ Jay-Z security guard story
• 50:05 – Jacob Elordi & Kendall Jenner rumor, influencer afterparty drama
• 65:28 – Katy Perry/Ruby Rose allegations and media fallout
• 79:41–88:00 – Lena Dunham’s memoir, Lorde, Jack Antonoff emotional affair rumors
• 98:03 – Alex Cooper vs. Alex Earl timeline, Unwell Network saga, “Circus” TikTok
• 106:49 – Alex Earl’s response; performative outrage in influencer drama
• 115:39 – Colleen Ballinger’s new song lyrics and hosts’ disbelief
• 123:54 – Clavicular’s overdose, “looksmaxxing” culture, Andrew Tate associations

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Conclusion & Takeaways

This episode is a rapid-fire tour through pop culture’s latest absurdities, providing layered, insightful commentary while staying true to Trisha’s signature style: candid, sometimes chaotic but always wildly entertaining. The hosts poke fun, investigate, and dissect the motives and meanings behind the drama, giving listeners both humor and real talk about how internet culture, celebrity, and influencer industries operate.

Whether it’s feuding influencers, shocking lyrics, pop star scandals, or festival fiascos, Trisha and Oscar ensure you’re not just caught up, but also leave with a bit more perspective—and plenty of new memes.

Next episode will recap the second weekend of Coachella with more behind-the-scenes gossip, unless the audience is already over it.

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Patreon and YouTube links, book pre-order info, and Moses’ cooking channel are all promoted.
Stay messy!

Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Oscar]

I know. Hiatus is very vague. Like, let's get a little bit more specific.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. How is it she's I'm leaving the group. Yeah, yeah, she's at whatever you want. Is that was that is the shock of it all? Like, Her name is Trish. She's got the additional filthy rich. Hello. Welcome to the Just Church podcast. We are feeling energized and fresh. It's been a week since we filmed, I guess like a little less than a week. But it's been a week. Like a week. And then so much has happened. We've been texting each other, hot topics. Like, I can't even believe the one Monday we take off. Like, I just feel like, truly, you know, I always say as a joke, like, the hot topics are hot today. But I feel like we have so much hot topics. Personal hot topics, public hot topics, beef drama. Good news, great news. Like, oh, you know what I mean? Like, it just seems like so much has happened. So you were getting us refreshed and you are getting us in technicolor. You're getting us in wide scope. Because me and Oscar, unplanned, decided to wear horizontal stripes today. Oscar called it out, not me. He's like, we're both being brave today. And I was like, you know what? But I didn't know which one did make you wider. I knew one you're not supposed to wear. I just didn't know. I was like, well, honestly, I wear. I wear both. So I've Never worn, but I don't think I've worn horizontal stripes. I'm a little nervous that I'm.

[Oscar]

I remember I was like, maybe my peak weight in high school, and it was like a free dress day, except we had uniforms. And then the girl in my computer class next to me, she was an ally. I think she was really looking out for me. Like, she meant it genuinely. She's like, just so you know, these stripes just make you look whiter. But she meant it. So, like, not in the mean girl catty way. Like a girl code. Like looking out, looking that way. Yeah. So shout out Angela. Yeah, she was really. She had my best interests at heart. And then here I am.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is this your first time wearing it since?

[Oscar]

I think so.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of think so, too. I'm kind of thinking, like, have I worn horizontal stripes before? It is kind of.

[Oscar]

It's bold.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's full. Well, I'm trying to clear up those clothes on the floor in the glam room. So I'm like, literally, like, I don't want to throw them out because I got them for the podcast. I'm like, okay, let me just start wearing these clothes I've never worn before. And. Yeah, I don't know either. And always. Jeans is always a tricky thing because you do see my full bottoms here. For whatever reason, I'm like, let me show you my full body on this podcast. And the jeans are always a little tricky, but they're hiked to its fullest. For all you audio listeners who can't hear us, the jeans are hiked. Me and Oscar, we're, like, in kind of the same shirt too. We have, like, a college. The little polo, and our sleeves are both, like, in this weird length tee. I guess it's, like, normal for a guy. Mine's like a weird, like, mid. It's squeezing my arm fat a little.

[Oscar]

You're kind of giving Emma Chamberlain tease. Maybe like, 2019 before the full Louis Vuitton. You know, I'll take it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would love her career arc. I would love to also be a Louis Vuitton model hosting the Met Gala. I'll take that. And she just did something recently. What's her news? Has she been in the news for something?

[Oscar]

Like, she did her West Elm collab, but after that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is she in a movie or.

[Oscar]

She was also in a movie. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. You saw it.

[Oscar]

No, that's the one that I was gonna see, but Darian didn't want to see it with Lily Reinhardt.

[Trisha Paytas]

Forbidden fruit, right?

[Oscar]

Yeah. A campy anti men witchy. Horror.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it.

[Oscar]

Film.

[Trisha Paytas]

I should have been that one too. I love the whole thing. You guys did not see it. Darian vetoed. Well, before we get started, pre order my memoir Crying on the Kitchen Floor Everywhere that you can get signed copies. I just noticed that you can get signed copies on a lot of these websites because they did ask us to sign some copies and they said that they were like placing orders from this. I know Barnes Nobles one, maybe Target. Anyways, they're signed copies available. I've been signing my little heart out. I'm signing my copies. So I had to put a pause on the sign headshots because I was like I need to sign these books and it is going to take me probably all summer to sign them, but

[Moses]

they will do her link tree.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did see a lot of comments congratulating Moses on having the bus link tree. I was like, all right, I'm glad that they got it. Linktree.com was that like we're sponsored by link tree?

[Moses]

No, but that's. I'm at Trisha Paytas because there's so many links to so many different places to get the books. Right. Like some people ask, well, I'm in the uk. I'm here.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, oh, I got the reference. Yes, yes. If you go to that link tree because there's so many links we can't put all of them in the description. So yes, there is a. On my link tree there is some to the US there's signed copy links. There's US UK, Australia. Go check it out. It's a good time. Patreon.com just trish we do extended extended podcasts over there. We do bonus. Me and my sister did. We bought each other Coachella outfits last weekend. Cuz we thought, we thought maybe we were going to go and we went and we bought some Coachella outfits. I a I gave her such good clothes. Even she was like, I think you won this. I don't know what she was thinking with mine, but go watch. We tried our best over there. Go check out Oscar Gracie vlogs. Where is the next one coming?

[Oscar]

I think it'll be probably early next week. This is, this is a big week. A lot of things to update about.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was gonna say, yeah, this is today. We're on a tight schedule because Oscar has something after which I know you told me the details for. I don't know how much you can say but I'm so excited. I am so excited for you today.

[Oscar]

I feel like you a little bit. I'm like, I Have a super top secret music video shoe. I know. Music video me.

[Trisha Paytas]

He has a cameo and, like, a good cam. Like a good cameo. Like, when you were telling me what it is, I was kind of like, I was gagged. I think you all been gagged. Even if it was just, like, being at, like, background, which I would, like, totally do. But, like, you're a feature.

[Oscar]

It is gagging. It's an artist. I think she's considered up and coming artist. I haven't talked about her on here, I don't think. But I talk about her on my streams a lot because I do listen to her, and she's just right up my alley. She opened up. She opened up for Olivia Rodrigo, and she knows the Cat's Eye girls. She knows Chapel. Like, she.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's your sphere.

[Oscar]

Yes, she is up and coming. Pop girly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Usually.

[Oscar]

I can tell I have a sixth sense for a pop girl who's gonna always.

[Trisha Paytas]

You've always been 10 out of 10, starting with octopus lover, Tazara Lars. Like, you've always. Chapel. Like, you've always. I remember before I even knew Chapel, she talked about us in, like, a Nylon interview. And you're like, no, Chapel. Roan's, like, big. Like, you. You. You're always on the pul. Believe you on this one. And obviously this person already is pretty big. We won't say where or what.

[Oscar]

Yeah. She just played Coachella without me dropping hints.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I do feel like you. I know, I know. Be like, how did you give Trish Craig. Give Oscar Craig the exclusive? I promise Trish Craig, one day I'll give him the exclusive. Because I'm like, he always gets things before me. I promise one day I'll give you an exclusive. But until then, Oscar Craig, maybe I'll give him a little.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Tease. Bts.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I'm so. I was like, music video cameos, I think are, like, the coolest thing no matter how famous you get. Like, anytime you see a celebrity in a music video, like a Megan Fox. And like, you were just. You're always just gag. Because it's like, what is this crossover? So I think seeing you in this music video is going to be so gaggy. I was like, you're like, oh, I have to work. I can't. I was like, I cancel everything. Cancel. I was like, whatever you need. Like, I'm so. I'm so. I can't wait to see. Are you nervous?

[Oscar]

Not really. I.

[Moses]

No.

[Oscar]

I mean, I'm only nervous about getting

[Moses]

there after the game.

[Oscar]

Music video T. That was technically that's

[Trisha Paytas]

where they saw it. Yes.

[Oscar]

I was scouted from that. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, but what were you saying? You said.

[Oscar]

Oh, just the instructions. They're like. Well, because it's kind of a middle of nowhere tease. So the instructions to get there, like your gps.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, the directions.

[Oscar]

That's my. I feel like it's Amazing Race a little bit. It was like a half mile northeast from wherever your GPS tells you. So that was kind of scary. Other than that, that means you, like,

[Trisha Paytas]

probably lose reception or something. So they're like, letting you know they'll

[Moses]

have little signs production. Always have.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. The yellow signs with the arrows.

[Oscar]

Okay. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I do love those. Yes, I do too. Whenever you see them, like, around town, you're like, oh, what's this set? CCTV this way. You're like, okay, cctv is that. I don't know what that is. Okay.

[Oscar]

It's a core TV security.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know why I said that. Well, anyways, I'm very excited. Are you gonna vlog it?

[Oscar]

If I can, yeah. Secret. It is.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I think you vlog and then, like, once it comes out, you could probably put behind the scenes.

[Oscar]

I'm excited.

[Trisha Paytas]

And your moving vlog, is that going up next?

[Oscar]

Yeah, because it'll be. I think I'm taking, like, a week to move. So I think today also, I close on a house, which is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my thing. I thought you were gonna say you're moving today too, and I have to move after the music. Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

Big week in the Oscar universe, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

And we're gonna pass that for everyone watching. I do think, like, aligned. I was literally, like, voice memory, voice memoing with Tana this morning too, because she's, like, in New York for something really big right now. Like, she got this, like, really big brand deal, and obviously, like, the Adam Sandler of it all. I did Chili's this week. Like, there is something aligned in our sphere, in our universe. Everyone watching. I want to also let you know that, like, big things are happening for. I really believe it. I really feel like it. Like, I've been posting those on Instagram, so I feel like there is a shift in the sphere. Everything's out of retrograde for the first time. Like, something's always in retrograde, but it's not happening today. And it's just like, there. It seems like a good. There's, like, good, good, good vibes out there. So if you're watching this, I really am manifesting the best vibes for you. What happened good in your world? Today Moses is also here. He does Moses cooking videos.

[Moses]

Oh hi. I'm also. Leave us in the comments. The things you want to manifest. Cuz we got everyone there. Yeah, we love a helping you guys get the jobs you want and the things you manifest for yourself. The school, the scholarship, the everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, scholarship.

[Moses]

For me, nothing. I'm just cooking. You know, if you want to know how to make shrimp pasta, go over there.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is a great one. I know. He's like, what do you want tonight for the cooking channel? And I was like, o I don't know. Pasta. We're doing pasta vodka.

[Moses]

We can, we can. It's a really good recipe because it's like complex and easy. It's like, you know what I mean? Like it's easy enough to make but you get amazing flavor. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I feel like something big happened for you this week. No, there has to be something that happened. Huge.

[Moses]

The must have been. But I'm so out of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you. You shot your. You shot your second sponsorship yesterday.

[Moses]

Oh yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

When I was at my music video, he's like, I rushed over here same day tomorrow.

[Moses]

Yeah, it should be out when this video.

[Trisha Paytas]

So check out his TikTok. Yeah, a Bolognese recipe got sponsored. It's very exciting. He rushed over to my music video yesterday. He's like, I just had to finish filming my sponsored video. I was like, love the content.

[Moses]

Came out really good. So yeah, I highly recommend it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Very exciting. Everyone's like, wait, something else too was gonna move. Oh, we also got the Mana Gap complex hoodies.

[Oscar]

Me with this. You got. I literally my jaw dropped because they had this like capsule collection with Gap and the complex shop. All of cats are. Each member got one or former member I suppose. But they didn't say what time it was dropping. So I started work at 5 and I had the website open and like I would periodically refresh to see when it was up because they never said at what time is dropping just the

[Trisha Paytas]

date they did on I think it was complex or one of the Instagrams. They did say because I knew 9am I was there at 9am I was

[Oscar]

like, yeah, I signed up for the email list. No shade to Hidex Kevin. But I signed up for this email list. I said get notified when it drops. The email came at 9:24am There was a delay and then by the time I actually went went back to look the skinny sizes were the only ones available from N.A. and I panicked. So I panicked and bought a small. I was like, well, well, maybe okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I Love that, though. You're gonna be wearing it cropped and cute. I kind of love that.

[Oscar]

I don't think I'll even get my head in. They do say it's oversized, but I. I question just how oversized.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a good Patreon video. Okay. Because my truth is that I bought. I bought one of each, but you're right. All the sizes were, like, kind of sold out. So I did get, like, a small, medium, large, 2 XL. So I, like, see which one fits, because they all were, like, different sizes. Like, I forgot which one was which because I honestly was just going so fast. I wanted the leopard one. Yes. Because it was like, match that Loveline. It was zip up. And I was like, there's another zip up. That was just, like, stones. But, like, you could kind of see it was cast Sophia. Yeah. So, yeah, like, I did. I got, like, everybody's. And then also Ari, because she was doing my makeup at the time. I was, like, trying to get her for her daughter, but they're small, so they were able to, like, get theirs. But then I was thinking, like, of you, and I got to get mana, but then you sent me today that mana's not in the trading cards. I'm like, is she actually out of Cat's Eye? Did we just buy. But it could be a rare thing that we bought the last.

[Moses]

So rare.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Because it was. It was sold out. That's a good point.

[Oscar]

First to sell out. Yeah.

[Moses]

It's like getting a member of the Beatles when they leave a band, you

[Trisha Paytas]

know, it's like, right, we got the last of that merch. Yeah. Because they. You're like, oh, there's the trading cards. And I was. I was like, wait. I thought. I didn't know she was out. I thought she was taking a little break.

[Oscar]

Yeah. This was breaking news. As I was getting ready to leave, they. Cat's Eye announced their third EP coming out in August, and they have individual, like, versions of the ep, like, that you can physically buy, and there's only five versions. And it literally lists, like, Daniela's version, Sophia's version, Yunche's version, Megan's version, Lara's version, no mono, no mana. And that's when I was like, okay, it's really over. I was holding out, like, delusional hope that, like, something was gonna happen. And, yeah, it would work out. But now I'm really just like, girl, it's over. Girl, it's over.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's not delusional. It didn't tell us. They said she's On a break.

[Oscar]

Yes, I know hiatus is very vague. Like, let's get a little bit more specific.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. How would they.

[Oscar]

She's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm leaving the group. Yeah, yeah. She's at whatever you want. Is that was. That is the shock of it all.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Like, even Coachella, I was holding out hope. Maybe she would, you know, make a surprise appearance. Even weekend one came and went. She was in the audience, but she wasn't on stage.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was her surprise appearance.

[Oscar]

She was walking around. People spotted her on, like, different live dreams or whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

On a little break.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I thought she was. I thought she needed some health and rest and wellness, but that's what they said. And here she is, sickening, walking around the campgrounds as the girls are on stage. Okay, work. But I'm like, we can too. We can.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Maybe she'll come out with Sabrina. Because they added 10 minutes to Sabrina set, so maybe she's gonna come out with her. I know two might be the weekend that people bring out, like. Like, the big guess, even though we can too. Like, historically is, like, okay, a lesser weekend. But I feel like, because it was so hyped last weekend, I feel like people are gonna bring out. Do they bring out different guests? Is that how it works?

[Oscar]

So, yeah, I think so. So I think I heard Sabrina Carpenter is gonna bring out Madonna as one of her guests for weekend, too. We'll see if that's correct.

[Trisha Paytas]

How'd you hear that?

[Oscar]

Predicted it was on De Moi, so. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Of all times, they ask you if it's De Moi. That was actually it. Okay. That's kind of gaggy.

[Oscar]

And Madonna's teasing, like, a new album called Coming out this summer, so that kind of makes sense.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar]

But people were wrong about Taylor Swift being a surprise guest at Sabrina, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, maybe she'll be this weekend.

[Oscar]

I don't know. I really. I'm really doubting, especially seeing how she went with, like, actors for weekend one.

[Trisha Paytas]

What'd you think about that? We filmed the last podcast the day before Coachella, and then all Coachella popped off. I was like, damn. We really.

[Oscar]

We were like, any drama gonna help me Coachella? I think so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, we could have even predicted. It's just hard to predict it. Yeah. I don't know. What do you think about Sabrina's set? Just quickly. We don't have to go too much into it.

[Oscar]

I like Sabrina set. It was kind of controversial, I guess. I mean, besides the yodel moment debacle, which I knew watching live, I was like, girl, the second you hear someone Say it's like, their culture. No comment. Keep it moving. I. I understand how she misunderstood what was going on, because I think she interpreted it as, like, a burning man kind of situation. Yodeling over there at the bar.

[Moses]

I have never heard anyone. Also, it's not a yodel. It's something so different. Like, I. I grew up with it. Like, I grew up with that. Like, at weddings and events, people would do that. Like, because my culture is like, Arab culture. So it's like. And they're like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, yes, Arab. Yeah. You are Turkish and Moroccan and.

[Moses]

Yes, Libya.

[Trisha Paytas]

But Libya. Sorry.

[Moses]

All I'm saying is, like, it's something that's so common, and it's like a celebration. It's a positive thing. So it was just. That's why it was sad when it became, like.

[Oscar]

I know.

[Moses]

Well, it was categorized as weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think she knew. But, yeah, she apologized. She did apologize because, like, she didn't know.

[Oscar]

And, Yeah, I think it was just a careless mistake.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And she's, like, very politically aware and everything, too. And I don't think she would ever, like, purposely try to offend anybody. Yeah. And I think her mind was just like, oh, it's the Coachella crowd, where everyone's, like, rolling and being crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And it was, like, a moment where she was, like, getting ready on the piano. So I feel like maybe she thought she was getting a little trolled or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And not understanding contextually.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And.

[Trisha Paytas]

But the controversial part, besides that you thought was the actors.

[Oscar]

I think people thought all the little interstitials were too long, which I could understand. Like, maybe the pacing could have been tighter because, like, the opening video was, like, over five minutes. Susan Sarandon had the monologue that was, like, over. I think, almost 10 minutes.

[Moses]

It was long. I was watching that, and I was just like, wait a minute. What's going on? Like, you. You kind of, like, stepped out of the show for too long, especially in person.

[Trisha Paytas]

I could imagine that would probably be really long first, because you probably don't even see the person, like, what the hel. Is happening.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I just think those interstitials could be, like, tightened up. But everything else I was living for, I think she is such a showgirl. I love the production. She's like, the budget is every dollar. I'm getting paid. We're paying. We're putting it right into there. I'm gonna fly on the freaking rain, and I'm gonna have a million dancers. And the production value was crazy. And I really liked It.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I thought so. I thought so too. I know it did not go over well with people online. I thought in general people were very critical of it.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like boring and this. And I'm like, no, I mean, yeah,

[Oscar]

I thought it was good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I thought it was. I thought it was. But literally and everyone in. In my sphere, like just people I like knew throughout the week and stuff, they're like, it was awful. I was, I was like, was it?

[Oscar]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

But also, I think we're easily entertained. Not to say it's not. I just think. Are people maybe just harsh? I don't know.

[Oscar]

I think people are just hard.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think of all the headliners, like, I my opinion, I do think Cat's Eye could have been a better highlighter. I get they don't have as much music, maybe wasn't as good as the other headliners, like a Justin Bieber and a Carol G. I think it's like not the same caliber, but like, I don't know. That's just my opinion. I don't know.

[Oscar]

I think she's a good headliner. I think some people like the more short and sweet era more than Man's Best Friend because Man's Best Friend is a little bit more mid tempo, like a little bit more country infused and short and sweet is a little bit poppier.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Oscar]

Jack Antonoff production tease. So I think that could be part of it too. If she did a little bit more like Emails I can't send era, like nonsense and some of the more popular songs, maybe that would have helped with like.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Oscar]

I was no, I was lukewarm on man's best friend when it came out, but it really did grow on me. So I really loved Sabrina set. But yeah, it is funny though, like people clocking Sabrina for being quote unquote boring. And then cut to Justin Bieber. Love the artistry. Love how simple it was. I'm like, okay, girl, that's fine. But you can't say the girl out here with 500 pack of dancers walking on treadmills, performing with treadmills.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Doing a backwards fall into the stage. Like she's boring. But then Justin on YouTube is like the peak of artistry. Like, that's fine if you like it. But I'm like, then you can't come

[Trisha Paytas]

and be like this girl's boring.

[Oscar]

I think it's on brand for him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I loved it.

[Oscar]

I wasn't living, but I'm not a believer like that. But I. The fans loved it. I'm like, okay, well that's like what the fans wanted. I feel like that's on brand for him. What people expected. So the voice was great.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I Love when he's like singing with the track because I'm like work like it was like changing like tones of his voice and stuff like that. I was like, I love this so much. I think I'm not a believer like that either. Last episode, I gotta like Justin. I did have a little believer face for a couple months on tour last year, but it was over that one song Bad Sharon. For all the times you try to

[Oscar]

that photo shoot and you were surrounded by Justin and Haley.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I did feel. I did feel a belieber in me come out. I did. I was taking the word waters. I was like. All of a sudden I was like, oh, I'm in the Bieber mode. I do love it. Shout Out OBB Studios. I felt very much in there. Yeah. I like and I like the hype. I like when people get hyped. Like, I love how everyone's just like obsessed with Justin. Like, it's kind of the Hannah Montana but all like. I love when there's like a hype. I think he's pretty talented. I think it is crazy like you said like Coachella to be like. But it. Yeah, he's like just care about. You know, some people are just like charismatic and it's just like. Yeah, I don't know. I guess you could just literally sing with your tracks to yourself and just.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I think people were just impressed that he showed up and that's Fierce. I love $10 million to show up and sing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Then he did and that most beauty got like 125 million views or something like that. I've got like the most viewed ever uncle. Like, I like it. I liked his songs. I like him. Yeah. I thought that was like pretty good. I like he did a little.

[Moses]

I've seen all essays written about his performance and how much. That was like the best thing ever happened. An art war, really. And then. And there's people that they've watched him.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is a crazy thing.

[Moses]

There's people that have watched him on Twitch in the last three months. He's been streaming in preparation for this. So a lot of people knew what he was going to do and what was the essence of it too. And this is the first time he does what he wants the way he wants to do it too. So it was like really just sitting with his audience, the people that actually love and support him and like the industry that abused him for so long and just sharing that moment of like, these are the videos we connected on watch together and just having that kind of moment. And also I Think he did steal a little bit of your, you know, tour. You know, the putting the YouTube music videos in the background. I mean, that's your tour.

[Trisha Paytas]

Moses told me this for real. Was like, don't say that on the podcast. He's like, I think he took it from your, like, being dead serious. Because he never tells me Hot Topics or his little jokes. He's gonna do. Like, I never know. He's like, no, I really think he, like, took it.

[Moses]

Or let's say this way. There. There are people, few, like you and Justin Bieber that got familiar through YouTube, through that world, and that's kind of the connection to the audience, and it's a stronger connection than anyone can have have. That's why I think, like, I see, okay, Justin's connection to his audience will always be bigger than Sabrina's. And I watched Sabrina's. Her vocals were amazing. She is amazing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I didn't know you watched all this. Where was I?

[Moses]

I was cooking.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was I here?

[Moses]

I was cooking, and I literally opened it right at the moment where that thing happened.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What were we doing last weekend? Was I here?

[Moses]

I was cooking. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. I don't know. We didn't talk about it. That's so weird. We didn't talk about any of this Coachella stuff. But, yeah.

[Moses]

Anyway, all I'm saying, like, it was a good performance for Justin Weaver. It's kind of like a once in a lifetime performance.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're going this weekend.

[Moses]

I want to go this weekend.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would go if it wasn't obviously Tanner story time on how, like, crazy it was. Like, made me not want to go. But if she didn't do that, I honestly was like, maybe I should just go and experience it, like, once. Like, especially, like, I. I personally like Carol G. The Bat. Like, I love that kind of performance. Looked amazing, sound amazing. Like, I obsessed. Like, she's. Oh, bring yeah, Becky G out. Like, I obsess. Like, I saw Becky G and young Miko and Carol G, like, at a party after just, like, grind. I was like, I want to be that so bad, so I would love to go Sunday. I could technically get artist pass because Ward, my tour manager, is down there with Iggy Pop. Shout out. Iggy Pop. Did you see his performance? Love it. He was, like, carried out in, like, a coffin or something. He's like 78 or 80 or something like that. Just performed. My tour manager was, like, with him because I tried to call him. He's like, oh, I met that.

[Moses]

Maybe it wasn't the skit, huh?

[Trisha Paytas]

You saw the skit.

[Moses]

Maybe it wasn't the skit. The coffee.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I think he's alive and well. Okay, not to be crazy, but. But I also would love to see Justin Bieber. And I think if I didn't see Tanner story time, I'd be like, oh, maybe we should just go down. Like, if it was like an in and out, which I know it's not an in and out thing, but I would love to just see. I love the merch. I love the Justin Bieber merch. I loved all that. Honestly. Next tour, maybe I should. Maybe Royal Upper hall, just start. Bring up my videos and start singing along. Because that is kind of what I did.

[Oscar]

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@blinds.com rules and restrictions apply. Oh, maybe you're right. Maybe he does. You know me. I'm singing along to my music videos, too. I'm like, hey, oh, look, you know, like, I think that there is something to it. It's art at the end of the day. He did have a little worship number in there. He had a little. I didn't know Justin was like that. Yeah, I didn't know he had a little.

[Oscar]

He loves the church.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't know. Well, if we're doing YouTube, why don't you bring up I love you, Jesus? Why don't we sing along to that? Like, I was like that. I was kind of gagged. I didn't know him like that. I thought he was. I thought he was like Illuminati. I didn't know he was God.

[Moses]

The word was that Sabrina's set was demonic.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Justin was like, oh, Jesus.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did hear that. Yeah. That's crazy. I mean, maybe not crazy. I don't know. Anyways, I loved it. I love the merch. I love the Carol G. I love. But my fave, my favorite is Cat's Eye with Huntrix. Because our girls, you know, once that golden comes on, we probably replayed it. Literally. We probably replayed that song a thousand times. That version from Coachella. Loved all them, like, harmonizing it. Was so good. Like, my girl. As soon as they hear that song, they could. If I could be scrolling on Tick tock anywhere, they're just like. Like, it gives them. It sparks something emotional. Yeah. Like, they're so emotional about it. And they're three and two and it's like, ha. Like, it's cool. That song is really. And those. The Huntrix girls are really so. I love that they brought them out. That was like, a perfect fit. And Cat's Eye ate as much as, like, we're Monastians. And, like, I wish she was in the group. Like, yeah, they are amazing. And they looked great. Like, that's why I think, like, there'll be a happy ending for everyone. I do think, like, one of them is doing a feature on someone else's. Right.

[Oscar]

Megan was in Levy's music video. The Washing Avengers is what everyone's calling it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I love that. Yeah. Do we love that? We can say that. I love it.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Because they're all half white, half Asian.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love that. I love that. They're also called, I think the girls on YouTube, like, Lord DIY. Yeah. They always. It's like hapa or something too. Like half Asian, Island Pacific or.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Anyways, Manal, if you want to do a feature, I just did a music video yesterday. I was like, you know, we love you so much. I. I love them. I love them all. I think. I think they did look good. I love their little pinkies up.

[Oscar]

We got to do that dance. We got to practice it well. Our dance class, Patreon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we. That's a reality. Yesterday I was dancing and I was thinking, like, oh, we could actually crush this. I'm in my dancing era again, so I think we could actually do with the learn Pinkies up. What was the other one we wanted

[Oscar]

to learn so last era.

[Trisha Paytas]

So we got Cat's Eye. Oh, they were amazing. The dancing was amazing. So the choreographer that danced with Taylor Swift is still the same person?

[Oscar]

Yeah, Grant. And everyone was coming hard for him on TikTok and Twitter. Everyone was making fun of his dancing. That was like, the trend. The hate train a week or two ago because he's very theatrical with his facial expressions and he grabs his nipples a lot. But I think it's fierce. And we're doing the freaking. Like, everyone's doing the gnarly. Like, everyone's doing the touch. Like, the dance has become trends. So clearly the choreography is eating. Like, I know. We're just upset over Manoba. Like, we saw there's still five hard working Girls that we still gotta.

[Trisha Paytas]

They still love. Yeah, we still love and. And support all. Maybe not. We'll come out this weekend. I really want you to go this weekend. Like, I want to go, but I think you could. You should go for real, because you're.

[Oscar]

You're, like, in it more the sir. I'm not even gonna say like horse. I'll say survival stories, the tales of everyone camped out for Bercella. Like, literally everyone looked packed from the front all the way to the exit gates. Like, you couldn't move. Like, Brooke Schofield said she had tears in her eyes because she lost her friends in the Beaver challenge. She couldn't find them again, and she couldn't move. And everything that Tana said where everyone was, like, miserable and talking and the men were being rowdy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

Girls wouldn't stop talking. I was like, this sounds like my worst nightmare. I think if Taylor Swift was headlining Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, I still couldn't go. Wow. Yeah. I'm not anti Chella. And that Starbucks comes along. Just kidding.

[Moses]

But you know when.

[Trisha Paytas]

When you see Oscar with that green str, you just don't say anything. Yes. But then that sparked a whole wave of influencers being like, you know What? I turned $200,000 down. You can too. I'm like, did you? And all the comments. All the comments, like, no, I'm taking $200,000 from anyone. Like, what do you mean? Then I'd go to see the followers. I don't even get 200,000. And I would see they have like, a million. Yeah.

[Oscar]

I don't know where the $200,000 price came from. That Starbucks was allegedly like. Like paying every influencer that took the private jet to Indio Valley.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Because that's, like, a ridiculous amount.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've never gotten that.

[Oscar]

Yeah, never.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I like, at the height, at the low, like, like, no, that's not happening. I think those people. And they feel like I turn it down. Well, you're stupid. Like, it is crazy.

[Oscar]

Like, it's kind of giving the same people who are like, I got uninvited. I'm like, okay, now I'm questioning everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, say the brand. Then if you got like, no, it is giving that. I'm just like, I don't think you did. I don't think I, like, total. I don't know. It's just. I know because when that happened, I don't know if we got to. I remember when we heard somebody was going on that we're like, oh, damn, that's good for him. Then I like solve as. Oh, just. Just kidding.

[Oscar]

I mean it's kind of everywhere. Yeah, yeah. But Branflakes, who is. I honestly didn't really know about him until you mentioned him a couple maybe last year or.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, when he came to my tour, I didn't know either. Everyone was like, ah. And I was like, who's this?

[Oscar]

You know, that's when I followed him. He seems very nice, transparent about his content. He' like very upfront about like how much influencers make and I know he's done a lot for like Philadelphia. I think that's where he's from.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Well, he's moved to LA now. Oh, I saw the Philadelphia gays be like, heard you need a gay to follow Philadelphia. And I'm not moving to la. I was like, oh my God. Okay.

[Oscar]

And I feel like I've heard he's done a lot for like the communities there. Like he supported like a lot of female owned businesses.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he's like super liberal woke.

[Oscar]

Yeah. So he's critically, he's fairly politically active. And then people really upset that he took a Starbucks brand deal to go to Coachella. And I do think there's probably some valid criticism there. I do think if you like make your brand about one thing and you kind of go against it and obviously people are gonna look at you a little bit differently.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I think it's aware. I feel like so many times you're not aware of like what brands are doing and what. Because I'm always like, there was a target, there's all these boycotts. I'm like, oh my God, who are we boycotting either?

[Oscar]

I'm like, that would have been my dumb. Because I would have been like, okay, yeah, I thought because I remember when the Wicked drinks came out, I think Starbucks released a statement about like that they do support Palestine. They donated $3 million. So I was like, oh, it was. And they're not like on the boy call us.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we're like, we're back.

[Oscar]

Yeah. So like, oh, we're so bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

We were boycotting because I'm for it too. I'm like, if someone like informs us and like, okay, yeah, so that's what we're doing. And I think it was like working and I think it was declining and like whether they did donated because it was declining or they just had a change of heart or whatever, maybe it wasn't whatever. Like it, you know, everyone's like, okay, now we support again. So we've boycotted other things for other reasons. So yeah, I thought we were back on it.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And then I. But then I like understood now about it's kind of like a. They can be anti union and they can. There's some things about like how they treat the workers and like letting workers go based on like causes they support and stuff. So I'm like, oh, okay, now I understand it like a little bit better. I think I'm still kind of wrapping my head around it to be honest. But yeah, so I do kind of understand the backlash. And then his apology was kind of like, oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, I'll always say, just don't, just don't say anything. Sometimes you're better off because the double down, the explanation, like even in your head. Right. I can kind of understand like kind of where he's coming from. But like, it just, it doesn't, it doesn't sit right with like the everyday person that's like not needing to go to Coachella and not needing that. You know what I mean? Like, it's just so. Yeah. The out of touchingness of it. But I like, I get, I get like his explanation because he's trying to like justify why he did it. And it's like, ah, like literally like two days before this all happened, I was like, hey, here's my number. Where? And it's still fine. Like I'm like, I hate this person or anything like that. But like, yeah, the out of touches always makes you like cringe a little. Especially I think because he has that relationship, like you said, with his audience where he's like so transparent. He's like, other influencers won't tell you this, like, I'm the realest influencer. And like then that happens. You're like, well, you sold out a little. Which is like, you know, fine if you need that ticket, if you need that like jet or whatever. But I think in that case you just keep it moving. Like people will not care in a week that you went with Starbucks on a private jet.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I think too, to his point, he's like, well, I have never said I was boycotting Starbucks. And that in his apology video he kind of pointed it back at like the viewer and was like, well, I know some of y' all have iPhones and we're supposed to be boycotting Apple. I know some of y' all have. Yeah, shop the Amazon. You've drank in the Starbucks before.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

So you're on Tick Tock.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I'm like, where everyday people. Not me.

[Oscar]

But yeah, they're like, what? But yeah, we Weren't flown out to Coachella on a private jet and paid. They still think it's $200,000. I'm telling. I know for a fact.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

It's just not 200k.

[Moses]

Maybe they have their. Like, the value of your trip will be, you know, private jet, the stain, the things, the tickets, all that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Even. That's, like, high. But yeah.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I think I heard for pretty big, popular, famous influencers, it was around 20. The max I ever heard was 40, 50, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

And they. That's getting paid to go. Because I also have heard that, like, brands, like, don't even pay people. Sometimes they just give them the tickets and things.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like the Sugar Bay hair of it all.

[Oscar]

Yes. Or like Revolve Fest. I know, like, some girls, like, you got a ticket to Revolve Fest at Coachella, but you have to post yourself in. Revolve at the party. Like a hard pose.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

To get value out of that or whatever. To gatekeep the access for.

[Trisha Paytas]

I never even heard in real life in. Unless people just don't tell me. But I didn't even know people got paid cash to go. I thought, like, people just are so desperate.

[Oscar]

Yeah. The brain trip is like, you get paid in the accommodations and the tickets.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. The artist pass and all the private jets. Well, damn. I know. The. The explanation was crazy. Yeah. To point it back. I think that's always true. Never blame your fans or the viewers. Never, like, turn it back on them because it's like, you did it. You dick it, whatever. And you just gotta keep it moving. I don't know. Like it is. Yeah. Because people were like, oh. And he apologized after the trip because he was the main one that got attacked. Right. Was there other people? Yeah.

[Oscar]

Which is funny because that. That PJ was filled with, like, really famous people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Call them out. And I don't even know. Do we even know? I don't even know anyone else. On the Starbucks trip.

[Oscar]

I saw via his Instagram story on that Thursday. Yeah. On Thursday. It was like tar Yami was DJing over. Over the.

[Trisha Paytas]

On the Starbucks. PJ.

[Oscar]

Yes. And Manny and Laura were there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Meghan and Lara from.

[Oscar]

From Maddie Mua. Laura Lee.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought she meant Cat's Eye.

[Oscar]

Megan and Laura. Oh, Megan. No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Okay, man.

[Oscar]

Amy Way And Laura Lee. Laura Lee. Oh, now I'm getting Laura and Laura.

[Moses]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. We have a plethora of people there.

[Oscar]

Spread the hate. Spread the hate around everybody. Hashtag spread the hate.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, but you know what? No, That's Oscar fake news, people People always look for your fake news. Do what I posted. I wasn't as in New York and I was like waiting for Oscars fake news.

[Oscar]

I pick and choose. I pick and choose when to spread my little fake news. Otherwise if I do too much, no one will ever believe me.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I don't know if they're believing you now. I think they're just waiting for the antics. But. But it's a good point because it's like the audience. Yeah, I think we've seen that with like, you know, anyways, just in general, like, people's audiences. Because he's so like, transparent. I'm for the people. I'm with you guys, Guys. And then you turn into like LA influencer. I think that's when people are like, it's kind of like Michaela, right? I think it's like, we love Michaela, by the way. But like, I think it's like Michaela, she was like, so down to earth and real and then now she's just like luxury spending and traveling. She was, she was an economy in a middle seat on the way to Portugal. And I was like, girl, yes, I loved it. I'm getting the middle seat. And I was like, okay, I love that. That was like humble queen. But yeah, I think his is his whole brand, if you will, is. Yeah. Being real and transparent. That when you're not, it's kind of like, oh, well.

[Oscar]

And I feel. I don't think anyone should completely write him off either because he does seem very, like, well intentioned and very nice and very, you know, doing his best. It's just like getting a miscalculation too, not understanding that the audience would take it a certain way, which I get too, because in the moment you're like, oh, damn, Starbucks is sending me on a private jet.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Full accommodations to Coachella. Drink a little, you know, pink tea.

[Moses]

Okay.

[Oscar]

What does James Charles call it? What? Pinkity drinkity. I just got to drink a little pinkity drink.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're like, the pink tea. Yeah, the pinkity drinkity.

[Oscar]

The pinkity drinkity. Like, sure. Like I get.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were you drinking that back in the day? The pinkity drinkity tea.

[Oscar]

Not even because of James Charles's influence. I just thought it was good. It was like a milky acai. Like, that's pretty good.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is pretty good.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. So yeah, all those big influencer. There was Starbucks. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta just like not acknowledge it. You just do it and just I guess that his brand is acknowledged, like, being that. But don't do it after the fact. Although I did love his POV on Coachella, which was like, all the empty food stands. He's like, yeah, no one's here.

[Oscar]

No one's eating.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone is in line to build some damn sunglasses. And he's like, these food trucks are all free. We're gonna eat it. I do appreciate that. I do love that. I'm like, oh, I'd be up in that food truck for sure. That looked. It looked like a good time. Honestly, Coachella had a little. I did have a little fomo. I wish I was there.

[Oscar]

I wish I could experience some things, but without the antics and the crowds and all that, because it does seem like a lot. And then also to just all the tick tock accounts that come afterwards, everyone's like, this. This person's security guard was terrible to me. Like, I think I saw that from Love Island. Some girl. Not some girl. Another influencer said, like, her bodyguard. Her security was so mean to me. Why does she need to even need a security guard? Oh. And then Leah's like, well, obviously we need security guards because people are crazy. Like, I've gotten threats, whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

So there's just so many different accounts of, like, this security being mean and.

[Moses]

But people use the security to get around, you know, like to make way in the audience, to cut through bathroom lines, things of that nature. Or like, what happened to me with Jay Z security guard. Like, they are.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's right. You got a security guard.

[Moses]

It is a problem if everyone is in the artist area. There's no reason.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, what happened with you and Jay Z security guard again?

[Moses]

I forgot we're walking at night. It was late night.

[Trisha Paytas]

Coachella.

[Moses]

Yeah. And there's like a road as wide as this room. I'm in that end of the room, he's on that side, and suddenly this guy just walks up to me, me, and pins me to the fence.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, did we know this story on

[Moses]

here at some point? This is probably early in our early season, first season. Just Trish. And he just pins me today.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses]

To the fence. And I'm looking at him as like, what's your problem? And then I see Jay Z walk by and then lets me go, and he walks away with him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, geez.

[Moses]

Like, I'm number one thread to Jay Z. Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're the only one in the room.

[Moses]

Only one in the road. It was like a road, like, between.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you're the only one in the road.

[Moses]

Yeah. This is like, midnight. Nobody's there. Nothing is happening.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a little sus. Why were we on the road?

[Oscar]

Why was he there?

[Moses]

I'm obviously with a badge and everything. Well, he was.

[Trisha Paytas]

By performing.

[Moses]

Nobody's there. This is late night. Everyone going to sleep.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's why they thought it was sus. You're like the only man standing in the middle of the road.

[Moses]

Why are you on his side?

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm not.

[Moses]

No, I'm just.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm just walking you. I agree.

[Moses]

I'm just walking. I'm the most innocent person looking. There's no reason. If you're his bodyguard body that guard his body. You know what I mean? Be around him. Don't put your hands on me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Agree.

[Moses]

I don't think he's gonna touch anyone.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I wasn't. I agree with that.

[Moses]

No. So I'm saying those security guards do take certain liberties to do stuff that they not even need to do. And especially if you're in that area, it's fine if you go out to the audience and people, you know, mob you and stuff. Sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm not victim blaming at all. But what were you doing there? Like, why were you in the middle of the road? You're just.

[Moses]

We were just walking. By yourself? I was with Levi. I mean, Levi were just walking.

[Trisha Paytas]

But was he there too?

[Moses]

Who?

[Trisha Paytas]

Levi. Was he next to you and he just pinned you? Okay, so there's two of you in the road.

[Moses]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, why?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, that is weird.

[Moses]

What do you want from me anyway?

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses]

But my opinion is that this weekend of Coachella is the weekend to go.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses]

Because always whenever there's this kind of chaos and people talk badly about an event, people are just not gonna go. So this is. This is the time to go. Like, this is the weekend.

[Trisha Paytas]

Let's drive in. Maybe we just drive on. As long as I have to walk too far, I'm down to drive. I don't want to walk too far. Yeah, let's do it.

[Moses]

Everyone talked badly about it in certain ways and experiences and people. It's not like people are like, oh, my God, this is the best Justin Bieber show. You know what I mean? For the general audience, not the Believers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why have an in for Iggy Pop?

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Noon on the C stage. Which one would you want to go see? If we were to go this weekend, which one are we going to see? One set.

[Moses]

It would be. It would be Justin. Well, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right. We'll see how we get in any brands. Let us know. I will do on record and say never once Has a brand ever reached out to me to go to Coachella? Like, I don't know how all these people are getting brands reach out to them. Never ever in my entire life. I've been on 20 years. Never.

[Oscar]

I just even, like, I saw a TikTok Friday. I think of a girl was like, I just decided, like, two weeks ago that I'm gonna go to Coachella, and no one offered to fly me, but I do have, like, one brand deal, like, when I'm at the festival. And so she was breaking down, but she was getting paid. And then another brand was in her comments, like, we got you, girl. Come on our plane. And I'm like, what?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I'll let her. What plane are we going on?

[Oscar]

I'm controversial. Won't get us in trouble. Let us know. But if you are controversial for the 200,000. Oh, we're taking.

[Trisha Paytas]

We are taking it. Okay. We are taking it. No, I've been on my. And then literally, it came out again that they were doing some homophobic. Oh, I don't know if it was true, but I was like, damn it.

[Moses]

Well, you know where we're going? We're going to Chili's.

[Trisha Paytas]

We will go. Yeah, Chili's on prom. Let's get us a pj. You want to come on the Chili's private jet to Coachella?

[Oscar]

That's where it's at.

[Trisha Paytas]

The big crispy three for me. We are down. The chicken sandwich was huge. And I'm not just saying that because I don't have to say on here, but it was a big crispy chicken sandwich.

[Moses]

I was like, okay.

[Oscar]

So I commented. Yes, But I commented the second I saw you, like, come through the. The court door. So that was pre. The menu item reveal.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar]

So I thought it was just like, a general come to Chili. So I was like, yes, yes. And then I got to the end, I was like, oh, well, it's too

[Trisha Paytas]

late for me, but it's fine. We love the triple dipper, too. It's great value no matter what. But so, all right, Coachella, see us at the Chili's. At the Chili's Tat. We'll be there. Honestly, yeah, it does seem like a good time, but, yeah, no one's. No one's invited me.

[Moses]

It's a festival.

[Trisha Paytas]

You just go, well, I need to be invited.

[Moses]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do not. I mean, influencers are annoying as hell after this weekend. They really are. Like, I do get influencer hate a little bit because it's annoying. Like, the entitlement is annoying. Like. Like, you said. You just said it. It's like it's a festival. Just go, hey.

[Oscar]

Yeah, hey.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like it is.

[Moses]

Influencers are like an individual entity, and the minute you have more than one in the same room, it becomes a problem immediately. So that. That's where it all stems from.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're right.

[Moses]

Like, suddenly all of them were hanging out together and. And see what everyone said. Everyone were awful. Everyone were.

[Oscar]

You're all dragged into it.

[Moses]

Yeah. Everyone is talking and doing this. I'm like, yeah, they're doing whatever they want because that's what they always do. And they're entitled, old and influencers.

[Trisha Paytas]

I really do. I really do. I've never. You know, I'm not friends with many. Tana Alarium. No one else.

[Oscar]

Jake and Johnny, were they problematic?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I saw Mrs. Weber. I saw Jake's mom there.

[Oscar]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. She was at Coachella. I love that. I just love random people at Coachella.

[Oscar]

I saw everyone speculating that Jake and Tara were back together. Slash, Jake and Kenzie broke up. Up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why?

[Oscar]

Because in Tara's. I want to say it was her vlog is where I saw the clip. Jake had his arm around her waist, and then Kenzie was kind of, like, distant in the background. And then there was another clip on someone's live stream, like on Twitch or something, where they called Kenzie over. And then Jake was there, and then Kenzie walked away, like, kind of awkwardly. So we were like, oh, she's done with him. But I feel like that's kind of just their dynamic though, right? They're pretty low key.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think anyone's gonna be surprised at Tar and Jake are back together. Like, that's. That's gonna happen. I get it. I get the comfortability. But, like, me and Moses both have opposite sex best friends that we've known for, like, 20 years from meeting each other, and we're still, like, close with them, but, like, no way at how. Like, if I'm in the background, his arms around her waist, or vice versa, Jeff's arms around my waist, and Moses in the back. Like, that's. That's weird. Like, you could have those kind of friendships. Also. We never dated these people, so I think it's very. It's weird. And they'll probably. In the back. No one's gonna be shocked. Like, you know what I mean? Like, what do you expect?

[Moses]

Kind of. I don't know. This is the kind of type of rage bait, you know, this is the kind of. It's always about relationships and their relationship. Either they're together or broken up. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

These were candid photos. You think it was a setup, A marketing play?

[Moses]

Because it's like, clavicular. Whatever his name, like, every week he gets arrested, and every week he overdoses. Have you noticed that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, Paige.

[Moses]

No, seriously, like, I think this was his first overdose. I don't think every week.

[Trisha Paytas]

Every week.

[Moses]

Every week he's arrested every week, yes, but he's not in jail. All I'm saying is, like, that's the way some people manufacture viewership and buzz. You know, it's like. It's like the kick streamers. They're always fighting. There's always a fight.

[Trisha Paytas]

The what?

[Moses]

Kick streamers. Like, there's always a fight. But sure enough, there's always cameras around and there's always

[Trisha Paytas]

a lot of coincidence evidence. They're filming every second.

[Moses]

That's my thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Moses at the helm of it. Hot takes. Take there.

[Oscar]

Well, another Coachella couple. I'll have to get back to clavicular, but Jacob Elordi and Kendall Jenner were allegedly getting cozy during Justin Bieber set and then at Justin and Haley's after party. Sources claim that they were making out for hours.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, I don't know how I feel about either of this. I feel like Jacob Elordi loves to be like, I'm not influencer. I'm off. But then he's like, in with all the influencer girlies.

[Oscar]

You know what? Clock that Tina is so true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why are you so influenced this scene if you don't care? Because he gives. He gives very much. Like, I'm not like other people. Like, I don't. You know, I'm just in my own world as an actor. But it's like, you're so in that world.

[Oscar]

See, at least Timothy Shalam gets silly with it.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what I mean?

[Oscar]

Like, we know that Timmy C is a little debaucherous.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Oscar]

Whereas Jacob Elordi is reading.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Caring Bottega. Being deep and being like, oh, I don't go on social media. I don't know what that is.

[Oscar]

He just wants to read a book. He doesn't care about phones. He's so unplugged.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Which you seem plugged in and cloudy. Because I think at the end of the day, too, it's like, you know, you're dating all these it girls, so it's like, I feel like you want to be tapped into it all.

[Oscar]

That's a good point.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, I think you would.

[Oscar]

The sun reported that Kendall is 100% Jacob's type. I heard they're having fun, and he hung out with her on Sunday, too. And him and Olivia are so done.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I mean, I don't have many thoughts on this.

[Oscar]

I.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're both gorgeous.

[Oscar]

I was going to say, like, at least it's hot. Hot guy with hot girl and not, you know, hot girl with Barry Hogan.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Oh, my God. But it's. It's so funny, the article. Like, it's so his type. It's like, yeah, he always dates models. Skinny, hot, orange girls. Like, what do you mean?

[Oscar]

Like, yeah, that's his type.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they're all famous. Was it Joey King? Olivia, Jade, Zendaya? I heard City Sweeney was rumored to be dating him when they first started. Like, I think there's. I think he just dates very attractive, rich, famous people because he's also very attractive and rich and famous.

[Oscar]

And at that same after party, some people were coming for Haley because a lot of girl influencers got turned away when some of them were on the guest list. And one influencer, Zach Clayton, you know him?

[Trisha Paytas]

Kind of. I don't know. It sounds so familiar. Zach Clayton. He sounds really familiar.

[Oscar]

I know which one you're thinking of.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Not that one.

[Oscar]

But not that one, because I also thought that one, too. I think that's Gary. Gary. It's different. Cl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's the theater one. I have another Zach that's gay. Zacky Zachariah or something.

[Oscar]

No. Well, maybe this one.

[Trisha Paytas]

He does, like, a statin mom impression. Like, he's always like a statin mom.

[Oscar]

He looks like a fitness bro. Like a gym bro.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, maybe. I don't know. Who. Zachary.

[Oscar]

He claimed that he went with, like, 20 girls and then they got turned away. But I'm like, yeah, if you show up with 20 random girls, of course Haley's gonna be like, get out of here. This is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, they weren't on the guest list. The girls, I think.

[Oscar]

So he showed up with a. A group of 20 girls and then complaining that you got turned away. But I'm also the Bieber after party. Like, what do you think this is?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's also giving, like, Dan. What's the name? B. What's the guy's name that has all those women with him? Like, it gives, like, harem. Like, I don't want this. I also. Would. I also be like, go away. Like, if you're not on the list and you're bringing 20 random girls, I'd be like, no, people just love to give her hate.

[Moses]

She probably also has a list of all the people that talk badly about her that are just like, no, do you think?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't even think. She probably don't even know, honestly. Sometimes these influencers make stuff up. They're just like, we got turned away. It's probably like some security. Just be like, no, this is too many people. This is an exclusive party. Like, these influencers are just making up stories. We got banned. We got turned away. I turned down 200,000. Your morals are easy. It's easy to say no. Also, it's not easy to say no. That's gonna make that argument too. When people are like, it's easy to say no. I turned down 75,000. Turn. That's like. And like, well, the people in the comments clocked it. It's like, not everyone has, like, that privilege to just be able to turn out $200,000. Not saying brand flags, obviously, whatever. But for people to be like, I turned down 75,000, it's like, all right, that's good for you. No one else can turn that down too. Sometimes people just need the money. But, yeah, anyways. But he was kind of that girl. She was getting a lot of likes. I liked something within, like, six minutes of her posting and had, like, literally 1.8 million likes on this photo. I think it was the one of her and, like, the baby at Coachella with Justin. And, like, no one knows how we got here, how hard it was. And I was like, 1.5 million in six minutes is so insane.

[Oscar]

Yeah, she's got the last laugh. That's for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

100%. She was on the merch. She was on the Justin Bieber live merch. It's just her body. Yeah, she looked good. Honestly, I love her. I DM'd her. So if you wanna come on the pod girl, maybe she'll see it.

[Oscar]

Maybe she reposted Gabby Wendy on her dom. So, yeah, Gabby defending Justin. So maybe she'll repost Moses defending

[Trisha Paytas]

about, like, wearing the shirt or something. I was like, okay, love that. Yes, we love you. We love road. I got your W R Otter upstairs. Zara Larson finally saw my dm. I won't say why I don't want to be that girl. But, like, she. She finally saw that DM I sent on the podcast. I love replied, and she had a great reply, but I'll keep it to myself for now. I was very excited.

[Oscar]

I was like, that is gaggy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I might have screenshotted her typing. And I sent it to you, right? Did I send it to you or no? Yeah. I was like. But I didn't do anything else because I am a respectful girl. But it was. I was excited. I was a little gagged. She's gaggy. She's everything. And she was the feature on the title. I didn't know that. Did you know that when she said

[Oscar]

yes, that's why she joked like. Like, it's Trisha Paytas.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. Because it said, like, wrong answers only or something.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I thought everyone was just guessing who it was.

[Oscar]

I. If people were kind of trolling. Yeah. They've been hinting at it for a little bit.

[Trisha Paytas]

Got it. So I was like, oh. I thought it was like people just being silly just to be silly.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I was just like, did it even show her hair? I don't think so. Right. Did it show? It was a blonde.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was like that pink. Yeah, like pink thing.

[Moses]

Big pink hair.

[Oscar]

I think she just put you. She was like, who's another, like, pop. Blonde pop star that I can say?

[Trisha Paytas]

We're just in the same. In the same field, girl. Love her. And she DM me. And you know what? Connor and Hudson, your move.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're next. Did you see the Hudson ad that everyone's like, wow, no sex appeal. Or was that a joke too? Everyone's like, wow, he has no sex appeal.

[Oscar]

Oh, for peloton.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Oh, I don't know. I didn't see that discourse.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sex appeal of a wet sock.

[Oscar]

People switched up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And I was like, oh, I didn't know. It's hard for me to tell. Like, I don't know if that's sex appeal or not, but I'm like, well, that looked good. But everyone was like, no, not it. Someone said I was giving David Dobrik what in the boss campaign. I saw one comment on X about that.

[Oscar]

That is wild.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Oscar]

Switch up. Yeah, but that is wild. I saw there's. I think it's like a heated rivalry inspired musical and they. The two leads do look like Hudson and Connor and they're really milking, like, the Are they a couple thing. Because they're getting all these, like, random brand deals now. Like, Uber is paying them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Connor and Hudson, the real ones, the

[Oscar]

fake ones, the knockoffs.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, why are they paying knockoffs?

[Oscar]

I think just because they look kind of like them and they may or may not actually be dating. So people are getting really invested on TikTok. I think it appears to just be, like, baiting to make it look like they're dating to get the fans, like, riled up, excited. Yeah. But it's working. The girls are eating it up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I love that it's a good days to be look alikes. I feel like look likes are always getting stuff. You know what?

[Oscar]

Yeah. Just don't go making like only or something and pretending to be them. Like, don't go too far.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I saw one. I think it was a Zendaya lookalike that came on the Kai Senet live stream. Did you see that one? Is it old?

[Oscar]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw that on Twitter. Yeah. And I was like, wait, she does look like it. And he, like, freaked out. And I was like, she looks just like her. It is crazy. Did you watch A New Euphoria?

[Moses]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you did? Are you Euphoria girly?

[Oscar]

I watched season one. I didn't watch season two, but I kept up to date. And then season three, Street Darian. Darian's like a die hard Euphoria fan. So we watched.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you think?

[Oscar]

Right away?

[Trisha Paytas]

Honest.

[Oscar]

There's some scenes I just could not watch. Like the. The drug mule stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I said when my sister was here. I was explaining to her, it's like, that doesn't sound that bad. I was like. I was gagging. I was like.

[Oscar]

I literally had to like, have my phone in my face, like, block it. I couldn't even like, stomach looking at it.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it was crazy. I was like, wow. And, well, you too. You were trying to be like, that wasn't that bad. I was like. I was like, could not look.

[Moses]

Promoting the episode. I didn't want to, you know, turn people off of me.

[Trisha Paytas]

People will watch it. Like, what was so bad I would want to watch it? I'd be like, what was so gaggy?

[Oscar]

Yeah, like, with the drama. Like, what was the. What's the. The twist that's so irreconcilable.

[Trisha Paytas]

I heard someone dies. I don't know, but I heard they said at the. The last episode, someone dies. Originally, I had heard. Don't know. I don't know anything. These were all speculation. I don't know if anyone. No, someone knows something, I guess, because it got leaked. But I was hearing Rue. I also heard Nate. Oh, Rue would be more gaggy because obviously she's the. The hero.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Moses]

The scene with the car, did you see that? That was a real thing that happened. You remember the car when she got stuck on the border wall? So that's. That's something that actually happened in real life. And they mimicked that into the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, she was on the border.

[Moses]

Yeah, she was crossing the border with the drugs. That was the storyline. Fine.

[Trisha Paytas]

That the car that was tilting. Yeah, it was tilting. One in America, one in Mexico.

[Moses]

Yeah, exactly.

[Oscar]

Because she was, like, illegally crossing the border back and forth.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Well, I saw her do that just, like, regularly after the whole balloon incident. But I was like, how'd she get even up there? How'd she get stuck? Why would she. Why was she going that path?

[Moses]

No, she paid somebody to put the ramps on and then thinking that she can just drive it off like that. But the director, was it Levinson? Yes. So he told the story that when he was talking to border patrol people, he saw a picture, and that was the picture, and it was a real thing that happened. So they did that.

[Trisha Paytas]

4:00am Historian over here. That's crazy. I like it. I'm gonna be seated. You know, I never watched a season before, but I'm gonna watch the season.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I think I'm definitely gonna see it all the way through. Darian said he was bored through it. I didn't think it was that boring. I was kind of intrigued, I guess, by, like, where all of this was going. A lot of people were like, jacob Elordi was phony in his performance. Like, is he kind of over it? I'm like, I can kind of see that. I thought Sydney swinging was really giving her all, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought so.

[Oscar]

I think she really. She went all in.

[Trisha Paytas]

She went all in.

[Oscar]

I'm intrigued to see where it goes. I'm excited for episode five. I kept telling Darian. He's like, I don't even know if I'm gonna watch season. I'm like, don't worry, Episode five. And he kept getting mad at me because I wouldn't tell him why episode 5. Wait, really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Why did you.

[Oscar]

I'm like, just wait till episode five. He's like, why? Why episode five? Why? I'm like, you gotta wait and see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you should tell him. Then maybe he'll be more gagged. Like, I'm really into it. Yes, episode five. We know from the editor, as we met at the show, they told us, like, you're in episode five. Because, like, no one told me. Also did not know the title. Everyone's like, you didn't know the title when you're filming? I was like, no, they didn't even tell us. It was Euphoria. They called it LA Knights. You know what I mean? Like, they did not give us the title. And yes, mine is called this Little Piggy, which is gagged, honestly, like, you know, that little question mark hater. On Twitter loves to be like, look, it's. It's this little piggy. She was the first, or he, whatever, was the first person to tell. And they were trying to mean it as, like, gag me bad. But I was kind of gagged down. I was kind of like, work. I love it. I have a feeling, knowing my scene, it doesn't have to do with me. I don't think they titled it after my character, but I kind of like the idea that that's what it is.

[Oscar]

You realize your name. Your character's name is Piggy and you had no idea that would be.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm doing the Contact with Snout and I.

[Oscar]

They see she. They CGI is now on to you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, that would be so funny. I don't think it has to do with me, that title, but it is a crazy one.

[Oscar]

And that has to do with Shane Dawson. That was my first thought.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. I would actually be gagged because originally they told me that, like, maybe potentially another influencer was on there. But then when I was on set, I was looking at all the trailers and I didn't see another one. Remember, they told me. But I'm like, I don't know if they kept. I don't know what. I don't know. And I would imagine that person would have been announced. I don't know. That would be gaggy if it was Shane, because I was like. I think it was like, me, like, supposed to be, like, another person is what I, like, heard. I don't know. I didn't see anyone else. I literally filmed with literally one other person in the scene. That. That's it.

[Moses]

Yeah. They would have either announced. Just like they announced your name or that person would be talking about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah. Even one of the former Euphoria stars, Barbie Ferreira, was on. Was she on? She was on, like, something.

[Oscar]

She's on a few. She's promoting a movie right now. So she made the rounds, the podcast rounds.

[Trisha Paytas]

She was on a podcast that looked really well produced and really well lit. And she said she asked the cast, is Trisha Paytas on Euphoria? Did you see this clip? I was like, is Trisha Paytas on? And everyone. Everyone's like, I don't know.

[Oscar]

Wasn't an Australian guy. Was it the same Australian guy with the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, was it.

[Oscar]

He was Australian and, like, similar age. So I thought maybe.

[Trisha Paytas]

But there was a lot of Australian people that look like that, particularly, like, they all kind. They do have a similar look to them. That would be gaggy if it was Him. Maybe it was. And she's like, yeah. I was asking everyone, like, if on the cast if Trish made his name. Like, I don't know. So to clarify, I have. I had one scene where I shot with one character on the show, and that was it. There was no other person in the scene. So people would not know it would be a little gaggy unless she asked that particular actress.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And they've all said, like, each of the actors have said, like, they don't know what was going on in the other characters storylines. Like, they just got scripts for themselves and their character, and then they didn't see, like, how everything else was gonna come together.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So how. That's how I feel. I didn't even have a script in my mind, so I don't know how it comes to. I truly. And not even kidding when I say that, I'm like, I have no idea how it comes together. I was like, no idea. But. And I don't know anyone else's like, that's. That's the gag of it all. I'd had to improv with the storyline. I didn't know what was happening. Like, I hadn't seen the first two seasons fully. No idea what was happening in the season. And, like, just go. I was like.

[Moses]

Because in the premiere, the director said, like, the biggest problem was scheduling because all the stars are now so big and so sporadic. Like, they're all out there there. So they probably really shot. That's why the show does feel that way, that each star is kind of like in their own little bubble by themselves.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses]

You know, each one was just shot by themselves in their own schedule.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I'm excited to see it, especially because the editors did say, I don't know if we gave it up to be on here, but the editor at the premiere did say they were like, you're memorable. You're memorable. Which is, like, kind of crazy because I don't think it was. I didn't think my performance was memorable, but I loved it.

[Moses]

They loved it. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, editors, like, can edit you to look amazing, so maybe it was great. I don't know. I have no idea. So we'll see.

[Oscar]

I can't believe there's the alternate universe where originally Rue was supposed to be, like, a detective and she was supposed to be, like, solving crimes before season three was rewritten. That was the original direction.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, what do you mean? What happened?

[Oscar]

I think it was pre writer strike. Pre writer strike. The concept for season three was Rue was going to be A detective solving some kind of crime. Like, she was gonna have her own detective agency, I guess the 180. Now she's freaking criminal.

[Trisha Paytas]

But, yeah, she's so badasso. I, like, love her in this role. I love this character so much. Like, I. That makes me want to go watch this.

[Oscar]

Did you ask Zendaya if they named her character after RuPaul? Did you ever get to the bottom of that? Did you ask Sam?

[Trisha Paytas]

I cannot confirm. I. I'll say after my episode what we, whoever I was in, talked about, but maybe it was.

[Oscar]

I would be so gagged.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can tell you genuinely asked, can't confirm or deny.

[Oscar]

Sam Levinson, did you name the character after RuPaul?

[Trisha Paytas]

I asked him some stupid questions, I'll tell you that. There was a lot of stupid things I said, and I was like, oh, gosh, I am one of those people who just can't stop saying dumb. But, you know, I'll let you know after May 10th, Mother's Day, it airs.

[Oscar]

How fitting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Also, my dad's 70th. There's a lot happening on May 10th. Euphoria. And then May 11th, they have a big announcement. There's a lot happening. So stay tuned for it for May. I know. There was. There was so much. I think I was on a plane. I was texting you all the Hot topics.

[Oscar]

There was a lot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everything happened.

[Oscar]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Katy Perry's vagina. Is that even on there? No.

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah, don't worry. I did have Katy Perry's vagina on there with Ruby Rose.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, that one's so gay.

[Oscar]

Wild. Yeah. And the latest update today is Katy Perry's being investigated by Australian police over Ruby Rhodes Rose's sexual assault allegations. Because Ruby did file a police report in Australia recently. This morning. It came out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Does it? Oh, okay. I thought it has to. Isn't there, like, a statue of limitation, statute of limitations?

[Oscar]

It might be different in Australia because It happened in 2010, and that happened in Australia. In Melbourne. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you don't know about this. She said that Katy Perry rubbed her disgusting vagina on her.

[Oscar]

Ruby's words

[Moses]

accused her of something, but I didn't know the details.

[Trisha Paytas]

The disgusting vagina is crazy because it's like, do we have to put all that in there? I mean, I get it.

[Oscar]

This happened because people kept reposting Katy Perry at Biebercella. That video. Yeah. And Ruby Rose commented on that and just, like, dropped this tea in there, like, on a comment. Yeah, Commented under, like, people quoting the Katy Perry music comment about Seeing Justin Bieber was like, thank God, thank God he has YouTube Premium. I don't want to see no ads. And then she commented under there with these allegations.

[Trisha Paytas]

Then someone's like, go file police report. So she did.

[Oscar]

I think it just blew up and started getting a lot of coverage. And then originally she said she wasn't going to file a police report, but she ended up doing it I think yesterday. And then today they released, the police department released a statement that they were going to be investigating.

[Trisha Paytas]

How?

[Oscar]

I guess just getting like different statements. Yeah, it is crazy how it all just like happened. Like just leaving the comments and then it just got a lot of pickup. And then. Yeah, the direct quote for the allegations were, she saw me resting on my best friend's lap to avoid her and bent down, pulled her underwear to the side and rubbed her disgusting vagina on my face, face until my eyes snapped open. I and I projectile vomited on her. And then she went on to say that Katie is more than welcome to sue me. She won't because it happened. I have photos and it was literally in public and witnessed by multiple people. Plus there is so much more that happened in the years leading up to her silly song that she won't want me discussing. The psychological manipulation was strong with that one. She added, my God. And a rep for Katy Perry denied the claims and said the allegations being circulated on social media by Ruby Rose about Katy Perry are not only categorically false, they are dangerous, reckless lies. Ms. Rose has a well documented history of making serious public allegations on social media against various individuals. Claims that have repeatedly been denied by those names.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, all of it's crazy. Both of them made me be like, oh, yeah, oh yeah. I don't know.

[Oscar]

I know. It is kind of like ping pong. Yeah, I guess we'll wait and see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because she has pictures like, that is a bold statement of like, sue me because it happened. I have the pictures like, damn.

[Oscar]

And now other reports and incidences are coming out in light of Ruby's allegations. Like this interview went viral yesterday from Anna Kendrick in doing an interview with Conan O' Brien in 2014. And she told the story, meant to be just like a funny anecdote about she went to Katy Perry's party and she said that Katie finger banged her cleavage. And everyone was like laughing at the time. The direct quote was, Katy Berry, finger bang my cleavage. It was a weird night. And she said that she, because of her outfit, like, her boobs were up. She was like, I kind of was asking for it if Nobody had done it. It would have been a little sad. So she kind of, like, played it off. But now, obviously that story is, like, looked at differently.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And then in 2019, now this is getting picked back up. 2019, a model who starred in her Teenage Dream music video claimed that he was at a party and she. Katie was introducing him to her friends and she pantsed him. Like, underwear and pants, and he was just flopping around and he was completely exposed in front of people at her birthday party at a roller skating rink. And it was in 2011. So there's, like, a lot of other stories coming out in light of Ruby's allegations, which is nuts.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I. I don't know what to think on this one.

[Oscar]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Crazy.

[Oscar]

Yeah, crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

The disgusting vagina was a little nuts. But also then her lawyer being like, oh, she has a history of this. I hate when people do that too, when they're like, she has a history of being crazy online or something. Something to do. I don't know. I. It was just a wild headline. So I think that's why I was kind of gagged by it. I was like, we're talking about yesterday. I was like, damn.

[Oscar]

I know. It felt so out of nowhere, like, again, I guess contextually, because it was on a post of Katie being funny at go to, like, drop. Yeah. It's like, oh, damn, it is crazy. But, I mean, she's going all the way with filing a police report, getting investigated. She says she was. She has witnesses is. And photograph evidence.

[Moses]

So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So what happens? They have to go to trial, I guess.

[Oscar]

I have no idea where it goes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And Katie hasn't said anything.

[Oscar]

She just denied the allegations via her rep. And then she posted on her Instagram story her song, by the grace of God.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's always God. You always go to God when you're in that heat. You say, God has got me.

[Moses]

Well, and promote your own music.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was that her song?

[Oscar]

Yeah, from Prism. I did love that song. It was about her divorce from Russell Brand and how she relied on God to get through it.

[Trisha Paytas]

So she's relying on God for this one?

[Oscar]

I guess so, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, let's hope that's not true. Moral story. Don't rub your disgusting vagina on anyone.

[Oscar]

What? That is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's crazy. I feel like even in my craziest days, I've never, like, thought to, like, move my underwear this time. Like, rub my vagina. I money.

[Oscar]

I would also project out vomit. I would have the same reaction to Ruby Rose. Like, I Don't know what I would do.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. I just like, I cannot picture anybody doing that. But not even like an unhoused person on, like, drugs, like crackers.

[Oscar]

Crazy, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

How do you get that close to somebody?

[Oscar]

The TMZ or. No, there was a publication in Australia that interviewed the owner of the club where it happened and said that, like, he remembers Ruby and Katie being drunk that night. So I guess they were. Katie was allegedly just drunk and being wild. Allegedly. If it's true. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That might be the wildest thing I've ever heard from any that celebrity. Like, I know, because 20, she is popular. She's probably like the height, wouldn't you say? Like 2010, because 2012, she did the Super Bowl. I would think that's like her, her era.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Because Teenage dream came out August 2010, so maybe it's right before.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that her first big one.

[Oscar]

Teenage Dream was like, when she blew up. Like, she still had hits with, like, hot and cold and I kissed a girl. But Teenage Dream is when she became like, like pop icon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar]

For sure. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Before Roar.

[Oscar]

Yes, Teenage Dream is before Roar.

[Trisha Paytas]

So Katie Cat over here. Resident Katie Cat.

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah. I lived for her back in the day. Teenage Dream was every everything to me. I don't know if she says it the month, so maybe it was like pre blow up. Because the first era was one of the boys. So she was like a little bit, you know, not like the other girls. Coded.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. She was the original pick me. Huh? And it's okay. I feel like everyone is. I don't, I don't mind a pick.

[Oscar]

Especially back then, you know? Yeah, yeah, it was, that was the thing to be. Not like the other girls, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but some people are still Pikmies team.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I, I, my next book is going to be called Decenter Men. And your life will be better because I think that's the secret, you know?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because people are like, wow, children needs to teach me her ways. I'm like, how about just don't wait around for musty men ever. You know what I mean? Decenter them and your life will flourish. Katy Perry and all these other pygmies. Men is not. They're not that, you know, they're just not.

[Oscar]

Ooh. Okay. More, I guess, men drama. Please tell me you've seen the stuff about Lena Dunham's new memoir and all the tea that's come out of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. When you said Jack Atenoff earlier, I was like, just like, what's up with this guy? What's up with her, though? Also just me just, like, judging my memoir to have all these weird antidotes, like, what's up with this girl?

[Oscar]

I know. Especially when they're, like, taken out of context.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can I tell you? I saw Lydia when I was in New York. She's like, basically, you're my agent and actually, like, telling me, like, little highlights. She's clipping from the book because she's, like, the first one, like, read it outside of my publisher and stuff like that. And she's like, oh, we'll do these highlights. And, like, some of those titles sound crazy. I was like, wait, the way that's word, it sounds like, insane. Like, so, yes, I can understand when these are, like, taken out of context how insane insane they sent. But also, I'm seated for it. I like Luna Denim. Right? We like her or.

[Oscar]

No, I think she's very controversial.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. Maybe we don't. I don't know.

[Oscar]

My God, I forgot know her. I think it. I don't know, forgot where she said it. I. Maybe she had a different book where she talked about, like, touching her sister inappropriately.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, that's. Yes.

[Oscar]

A crazy thing to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Say okay and.

[Oscar]

Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

So she separates books.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Because it's kind of nuts. So she's controversial for sure. And the big headline was that she admitted to cheating on Jack Ansonoff, who was getting close to a, quote, teen pop star. And who is that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Who's the team pop star?

[Oscar]

The team pop star is Moses's favorite artist, Lord, who he saw at Coachella.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, wait, really? I didn't know this. Tea.

[Oscar]

Yeah. So it's, like, so Tumblr coded because Lord worked with Jack Antonoff on the album Melodrama, which is, like, literally one of the greatest albums of all time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, what? You're a Lord fan?

[Oscar]

I love. I love Melodrama, specifically, is, like, a pivotal album.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is this the Royals song?

[Oscar]

No, that's her debut. Her debut song, Gag, it was Royals. Like, she came out swinging with royals.

[Trisha Paytas]

But, like, it wasn't that good. Right. Like, when you look back at Royals.

[Oscar]

Oh, no, it does not hold up.

[Trisha Paytas]

It does not. If you listen to it now, you're never going to.

[Oscar]

Lord. I love that girl. I love Lord. Oh, white teeth teens. Don't get me started.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I live for everybody, and their mom was doing, like, covers of that song on, like, YouTube.

[Oscar]

Diamond in the Flame.

[Trisha Paytas]

Awful. It, like, makes me want to, like,

[Oscar]

oh, I love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I actually think that might be the worst song ever. Like, no offense to Lord fans or Lord Ro.

[Oscar]

Oh, it was gaggy.

[Trisha Paytas]

You can call me Queen Be. I just remember all the worst people were covering this song and there was like a clown covering it. There's all these girls that thought they were Lord and they were taking it so seriously. And you're just like, the song's not good.

[Oscar]

No, I live now the debut album. Pure heroine gag. It's so good. Melodrama. I fear music peak like she was. It's perfection. Alt pop perfection. Melodrama.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't know she did more music.

[Oscar]

Oh, she thought she was just released one hit one day a couple months ago.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Damn. Well, I mean, no shade to Lord, but I did not know this.

[Oscar]

Lore the Lord Law.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Oh, wait until you get into her. She had a secret Instagram account where she reviewed onion rings and it got exposed and there was a whole.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, gives me a little pick me vibes, but I don't know where like that.

[Oscar]

She was a pick me up first. Yeah, she definitely was pick me up first. She was like. She was anti pop girl. She hated Taylor Swift. There's this one TikTok I always see now of Selena Gomez. I don't know if you've seen it because it's like it always comes up on my FYP to this day, which Selena's like gets asked about who, what music she's listening to. She's like, I listen to this girl, Lord, she doesn't like me. But whatever. I think her music's cool. Because Lord, back in the day when she was a teenager was vicious. She would go around slandering every girl. Yeah. It was crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But I guess the teenagers, I'd be like that. Those girls. Yeah, but you were Sam. Yeah.

[Oscar]

Well, after Lord talked about Taylor, Taylor responded by sending her flowers. And then Lord apologized for like being and basically. And when they became friends.

[Trisha Paytas]

Fly with honey.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What pop girl were you not a fan of? I feel like you were a fan of everybody back in the day or

[Oscar]

currently back in the day. Like of the mean pop girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like you love Selena, Miley, Demi, Lord Taylor.

[Oscar]

That's actually a good question.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like you loved everyone.

[Oscar]

You're like, I was the main pop girls. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was there a main one that you didn't care for?

[Oscar]

Girls, girls, boys is easier. I never was gagging for the Jonas Brothers. I'm so sorry. Joe seems like pretty nice. I never gagged for. Never gagged the Jonas.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I'm a pick me. I think I'm gagged for the Jonas Brothers. Cuz when he Came out with Demi on her opening night, kind of. I was like. I was like, crying. Even though I, like, do not watch K Rock or any of those things. I'm like, oh, my God, he's came out.

[Oscar]

No, I didn't move, but I did move when Selena. When Selena was in the audience, I moved. I. I was like, okay, those are my sisters. Love them. But J. Even JB, both JB's. Joe Bros. And Justin Bieber. I like the first album. I tap my foot. So it's too late now to say

[Trisha Paytas]

sorry, Joe Bros. We have saying Joe Bros. Word for word.

[Oscar]

Camp Rock.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's the difference?

[Oscar]

Demi Lovato sold me on Camp Rock.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's the same Joe Bros. Demi was

[Oscar]

why I was seated for camp.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, we have definitely saying other Joe.

[Oscar]

Burning up. I know. Love bug. I know you're thinking 3,000. And that's exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's. Everyone's like, you and me made other plans. Like, we sang that one. Well, it's S.O.S. yeah, we sang that one together.

[Oscar]

Channel was trying to shove him down my throat. I didn't watch the Jonas Brothers Disney Channel show.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know they had one.

[Oscar]

Yeah, they were really kind of cute.

[Trisha Paytas]

Joe Jonas, I want to hook him up with my sister.

[Oscar]

And now Disney is giving them the. The honor of being a Disney legend. Like, they're the next ones to be, like, inducted. I'm like, before Selena and Demi and the patriarchy. Is Hillary even in it? I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. So I'm like, sorry, sorry, women. We're not getting any opportunities. We just won't. And I think that is back to our Coachella, the Sabrina and Justin. You're so right. She is getting squirted up into the air 20ft above Coachella, and everyone's like, you suck. Justin's like, right? Justin's like, let's find some YouTube. Okay.

[Oscar]

The artistry, this is so intimate, but it's so true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Same thing with Jonas Brothers. You're so right. Like, there's all the girls, obviously are the ones who make it, because the girls are what the girls want to see. And the Jonas Brothers get it. But again, that's just the world we live in. So send those firstborn daughters down the rivers. Just keep the boys Malibu now. But. Sorry, don't tell you, Aquaman, you will rise. Like, it's just crazy. It's sad. That's so sad. I mean, the whole Jonas Brothers is crazy. But. But I know Jonas Brothers land are here. I feel like we've been close to him on the podcast. When I was in New York, they're like, oh, Jonas Brothers, like are might be interested. And I was like, I don't know what happened. I think we were like close to it happening and that didn't happen. And you know, obviously I just can't rock.

[Oscar]

And obviously you kept that show alive. That Kevin and Franklin hosted one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. Bring back Claim to Fame. That was my favorite show. Bring that back. I. I think I do like the Jonas Brothers. I like them a lot actually. So if you guys want to. Come on.

[Oscar]

I don't hate them. I, I just, I don't gag. I don't. I'm not gagging for them, but I don't hate it. They're pretty good, but. Oh yeah. Back to the Lord.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh yeah.

[Oscar]

So the tea here is that everyone kind of speculated that Lord and Jack Antonoff when they were collaborating on the album Melodrama, that they were having some kind of affair. This was back in 2016, 2017.

[Trisha Paytas]

And how old is Lord?

[Oscar]

So Lord at this time is 18 to 19. And Jack Antonoff was 34.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. What, how old is he now?

[Oscar]

42.

[Trisha Paytas]

How old is Margaret Qualley?

[Oscar]

She's younger, I think maybe 26.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess he looks pretty good. All those like nerdy guys.

[Oscar]

Look, she's 31.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay.

[Oscar]

I thought she was so much younger.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I thought she was really young too. So what's up with this guy? Why does everyone like him so much? Like he's not.

[Oscar]

Jack Antonov has some games because he was. He dated Scarlett Johansson. He's with Lena Dunham for a while and then. Yeah, with Margaret Qualley now. And I think because he's like an artist. Like he, he was in the band Bleachers. He does solo stuff, he produces for like everybody. Lana Del Rey, Lord, Sabrina Taylor. And I think too, to preface, I do think it says something about him if every like big female pop star feels comfortable like collaborating on very personal projects with him and they feel so safe with him as a producer.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

So I do think that kind of says something.

[Trisha Paytas]

But cuz the show that's supposedly about him, the one with Make Alter, what was that one called? We watched it. What was that one called?

[Oscar]

God, I watched.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you remember the one watch the one with Mter.

[Moses]

Oh, too much.

[Trisha Paytas]

Too much. So that one was supposed to be like loosely based on Jack Antonoff. Like, and they show him going with. Oh God, what was that girl? Emily Ratatowski is like the other girl that he goes with in that one. And she makes him seem like, such an. On that show. Like, he's the worst. But then she's like, I cheated on him. I'm like, girl. Well, I knew where the words do. We didn't say that in that. In that little episode.

[Oscar]

Yeah. She admitted that she cheated on him. And it all kind of spawned when Jack inchenoff was working with lord on her album, and she said. Well, she always just calls her, like, the young pop star. And she said the young musician was sprawled across our sectional couch, weeping into Jack's lap as he told her, your teens are for experimenting. In a tone so comforting and almost brought tears to my eyes. Eyes. It had been so long since he'd spoken to me with that kind of expansive generosity. And then she later talked about Jack being locked in a room with a team pop star whose needs seemed as massive and complex as my own, and who called me aunt Lena when I hobbled into the kitchen with my walker to grab another bottle of green tea because she was chronically ill, and she was getting a lot of testing done, and she ended up getting diagnosed with endometriosis.

[Trisha Paytas]

What is that?

[Oscar]

It's. She ended up having to get a hysterectomy. So it's. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Gosh, geez.

[Oscar]

So she was really sick at the time, and lorde was staying at their apartment, working on this album, and their relationship was already kind of falling apart a little bit where they weren't connected as much or having, like, as much, like, intimacy. So her seeing him be so, like, gentle and warm with lorde, like, kind of triggered her. And then that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hell, yeah. Would trigger me, too.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Even if we were in a good relationship, if he's there caressing, being like. Like the teens. Like some teen girl in our house, I'd be like, what the. Like, she's better than me. I would have castrated. I've been like, what the hell? Because that's crazy. And then on top of it, she's sick and not intimate. That makes it worse. That's when you need to be even more there for that person, because obviously, the intimacy is not there. Okay, wait, so how is she framing this? Okay, so. Because that makes me like, what. But then what is she. So then she's. She's getting her hysterectomy out, and she's like, well, I'm gonna go.

[Oscar]

Yeah. She ended up cheating on him while

[Trisha Paytas]

she was sick, and.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, she. It was pre. Pre hysterectomy, but. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

But she has the walker.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Oh, wait. Sorry. Sorry. I'm gonna mix up. So it was after her 2017 hysterectomy where she was able to like be intimate again. And then she reached out to her middle school ex boyfriend and asked to meet him. And then it was like a, a booty call because he came over with the quickness.

[Trisha Paytas]

She said, to the house with Jack or she's broken up with Jackson? Jack?

[Oscar]

No, they're still together. Yeah, I guess he just wasn't home at the time. But he came over she said within minutes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And she minutes is crazy. I don't know if I ever called someone in minutes. They're over. Okay.

[Oscar]

She said that they had a multi

[Trisha Paytas]

day affair, including with Plan B emergency contraception. We're in control of our future. It's backup birth control. You take after unprotected sex that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts. It works by temporarily delaying ovulation and it won't impact your future fertility. Plan B is available in all 50 US states at all major retailers near you with no ID, prescription or age requirement needed. Together we've got this. Follow Plan B on insta at Plan B. One step to learn more. Use as directed.

[Oscar]

Asking him to do all of the work and washing each other's hair at the same time. But she said she thought the affair ended up helping her relationship with Jack Antonoff because she said I'd fixed myself, proved I could be the freaky, sexy, lively young woman he fell in love with. I had exercised the demon in a way again. I had effed Nick for both of our sake to make our house a home again. It would all be better now. And then they ended up getting breaking up after that. So they try to make it work after the affair. That sounds wild. Also for the record, Jack and Lord both denied that they ever had a relationship. And. And Lena also says that Jack told her, you're just mad because she doesn't want to be your friend. And Lena wrote in the book and he was right. So she also acknowledges that like they probably didn't actually have an affair, but just like the act of him being like kind to Lord.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she was staying at their house. Yeah, I mean there's some intimacy there. Like you're just.

[Oscar]

And Lord in interviews would talk about like how she like loved hanging out there and that like it was so nice that Lena would come, like give her juice and snacks, accent stuff and

[Trisha Paytas]

some weird, weird going on.

[Oscar]

It's so weird. And the gag is there is a fan that went Viral back in 2017 because they made a whole PowerPoint presentation with like evidence documenting how Lord and Jack Antonoff were probably having an affair at the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is this chronically online girl, Nicole Rafi.

[Oscar]

It is giving that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it was. It was not her.

[Oscar]

But gives. It gives. It gives Chronically online girl tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I love that.

[Oscar]

And it went, like, it went viral on Tumblr. Like, it was a whole thing. Thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

They.

[Oscar]

It's still up to this day, like, it's preserved. So the gag is that PowerPoint ended up kind of being right. Because even though Lord and Jack technically didn't have a physical affair, Lena perceived it to her acknowledgment as like, an emotional affair.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Oscar]

Which force not encouraged her, I guess, to go and have an affair of her own.

[Trisha Paytas]

So Lena sounds bad crazy, but I like it. I want to read it. Even from that show.

[Oscar]

It's selling.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah. I'm like, this is an odd show, but makes me curious.

[Oscar]

It's wild. And the gag is too, like, Lena is still, like, really close with Taylor Swift. Jack Antonoff is still, to my knowledge, I guess, really good friends with Taylor Swift, too. And they haven't collaborated on this last album, but the past, like, five, they've collaborated together. Lord is still pretty good friends with Jack and Taylor. TBD on Lena, I suppose.

[Trisha Paytas]

Probably not.

[Oscar]

Sabrina Carpenter just collaborated with Jack Antonoff. She's friends with Taylor Lord. Margaret Qualley. Like, there's so much crossover. It's kind of gaggy because also they all gonna be at the Tavis wedding because the Taylor. The seating chart. The Tay. The Taylor Travis Kelsey wedding is gonna be crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Lena Denham, the man of lore.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Wow.

[Oscar]

Crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you invite. I guess you can't invite exes like that, especially if you're talking about him in a memoir.

[Oscar]

She weirdly, is, like, very positive about Jack Anoff, despite the. The tale of Lord.

[Trisha Paytas]

And is Jack saying anything? Is he doing any.

[Oscar]

No, nothing. She is hardest on Adam Driver, weirdly, from what I've seen.

[Trisha Paytas]

They dated.

[Oscar]

They co starred on Girls Together, the

[Trisha Paytas]

show Adam Driver was on. Girl.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And he was her love interest on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, good for her.

[Oscar]

And she goes really hard on him. I. There's. I haven't read it yet. I just seen the excerpts of where she says that, like, he. They were kind of, like, toxic, where he would, like, yell at her on set, allegedly. And she thought that they were gonna, like, hook up. But he was also, like, dating someone at the time who we ended up marrying. So it's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she's giving me. She is giving. Delusional. But I like it. But also me. Someone's just, like, acting with you, and you're like, are we hooking up?

[Oscar]

Actually, because she was. There's something I'm just like, paraphrasing, but, like, she kind of claims that she could have if she wanted to, you know, And I'm like, are we sure

[Trisha Paytas]

about that if you ended up marrying her? I don't know. She's okay.

[Oscar]

It seems like a lot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, man. You'd hate to have Lena as your ex, but also hate to have me as your ex. You know what I mean? Like, it probably is one of those things. It's like, ah, another memoir from Lena Dunham. And he's just trying to live his life with market quality, getting Grammys, whatever he's doing. He sounds weird too, but it would be awful to have an ex like that. But I am that ex for a lot of people, so I get it.

[Oscar]

Yeah, and poor Lord too, because now she is getting dragged into it. She was a freaking teenager at the time. Like, she had just gotten out of a relationship.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, she had mentioned her by name, I guess she said teenage teen pop

[Oscar]

star who collaborated with very closely in the summer of 2017. An album that rhymes with shmello schmalma.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it is. I know. Unfortunately, I know that that give. That's very. The tan of it all too. Like, when I knew Tana, like back in the day, like 19. It's kind of like. Well, she was like 19. Like, how much? And you can't put that much on that person. Hopefully she makes that clear that she didn't hold her. Like, does she have, like, animosity towards her?

[Oscar]

It doesn't seem like she holds animosity towards either Jack or Lord, to be honest.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I'd say, okay, I do. Cheated.

[Oscar]

The quote. Yeah, the quote where she would call her Aunt Lena, though, is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, yeah, that's giving Manson family. And the only reason I say that is because, like, she was in the Quentin Tarantino movie where she played like a man. Yes, they were like. And they called her Mama in the movie. They were always like, hey, Mama. Like, and so Lena Dunham was like the mom of all the sister wife hippie girls and whatever. And I was like, yeah, and there's. Yeah, there's that scene of them where Lena Dunham's, like, holding on to Margaret Qualley, like, hugging and like, being free. And she sounds the. Even the cheating to be like, it brings us. It'll bring us closer. You sound crazy. But again, I'm here for him. You just sound Insane. She's a lesbian now.

[Oscar]

Is she.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that what the store the movie was, right? The Too Much she was like ended up being like a lesbian him. Or maybe she was a lesbian in real life. I can't remember. I don't know the lore.

[Oscar]

She's married to man right now. A British Peruvian musician, Louise Felber.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, good for her.

[Oscar]

Since 2021. Peruvian and British. What a combination.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's a good combination. I love that.

[Oscar]

All right, good for kind of selling me on the book.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm very curious.

[Oscar]

It seems messy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, very messy. She is polarizing. Sometimes I'm like, you sound crazy. Sometimes like, oh, no, not you, girl. But then I'm like, I do love you. I have a soft spot for it. We could play sisters. I think when I saw the Too Much I was like, damn, I would have loved to play this role because it was. It is a good role. It was great. Meg Sulta was great in it though. So. All right. Yeah, I love. You know, I was seeing all those headlines and I was like, this is.

[Oscar]

I know there's a lot to unpack with every article too. I guess she covers a lot of ground in that book because it's a tell all. Yeah. Yeah, tell it all ended and did. My favorite story though, I think I just. I can't wait. I have to get to it is Alex versus Alex. White girl on White girl crime. My favorite genre.

[Trisha Paytas]

This was so gaggy in New York. I'm just like, oh. And everyone was kind of gagged. Everyone in the moment was just like, oh my God. Alex Cooper posted about Alex there. Like so gagged. I'm so here for. I will just preface. I feel like this is just. They want us to talk about it. So it's annoying because I feel like it is. Is just all for like some weird publicity. But if it's not, I don't know. But I do love a drama that's not mine. And it's so messy and so stupid.

[Oscar]

Yeah, it's low stakes because it's like, yeah, probably if it's real. Like over money, I'm assuming or contracts or whatever. Like very low stakes business stuff because at the end of the day they're both still rich and pretty. So like, yeah, nothing's going to happen.

[Trisha Paytas]

They Portner in the middle of all it. He was doing updates by his I

[Oscar]

thought you quit podcasts. And then here he is FaceTiming. He's on a boat in the middle of the ocean still trying to spill

[Trisha Paytas]

some tea, like, and he's Talking to both of them. He's coming back with updates from Alex Cooper and Alex Earl. He's like, actually, this is what they said. He's going on podcast about it. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Oscar]

In women's business, two men you will always find Harry Jowsey and Dave.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God, you were so right.

[Oscar]

Women's business, no matter what, not making

[Trisha Paytas]

any money off it either. He doesn't even have the BFS podcast. He's literally just giving interviews to be messed up.

[Oscar]

He can't help it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was seated for it, but I know I saw chicks in the office talking about it. And one of the hosts was like, oh, it sounds like a law firm. And I was like, oh my God, it does. They said Cooper and Earl. But the Alex and Alex is the law firm. That is like where it's at. Very Morgan and Morgan coded. But okay, Alex Cooper versus Alex Earl. And you know what? We're all confused. Everyone's like, who thought these were the same people. Everyone thought they were the same. Like they really are. Like obviously we're in the influencer world. We know. But even I do, I feel like think about it. Like, which one is Alex Cooper? Which one last? Obviously. No, but it is so confusing. One of them has to change the name or their hair color or gain some weight or something. Cuz you all look the same.

[Oscar]

Gain some weight.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, cuz they have the same body skin.

[Moses]

Alex and fat Alex.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Oh my God.

[Moses]

All right, well, I just say implying then. You don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't have to say it.

[Moses]

They're say. You can't say Alex and Alex. Yeah, you just.

[Trisha Paytas]

You think Fat Alex. You don't say Fat Alex.

[Oscar]

Which one are you manifesting to be? Fat Alex.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, I know I can't even.

[Moses]

Or little Alex, Big Alex. You know, it's like you have.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. How? Well, okay, never mind. Alex. I was shocked. Alex Cooper put it out. That's why it screamed like publicity sent to me. Because like Alex Cooper, I think in my opinion has the most to lose in general. Like there was a fight to go up. I think Alex Earl would win. I think Alex Cooper has the most to lose. She has the brand. I mean, Alex Earl is an up and comer. But she doesn't have a brand. No one's doing. What is that called? Real actives. You know what I mean? Everyone wants that call her daddy brand. I don't know if anyone's. So I wouldn't. Yeah.

[Moses]

Didn't she do super bowl commercial?

[Trisha Paytas]

Who?

[Oscar]

Earl. Earl she did the car.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was that for the Super Bowl?

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Moses]

Some. Some speculation is that that's the beginning of the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Dave Portnoy squashed it. He called Al Cooper and she. She said, you couldn't even give me $10 million for to do that commercial. That. That's not what it was about. She was. I would never do that in a million years.

[Moses]

That means that's the issue.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think that. I don't think that is it. They had the same publicist, right?

[Oscar]

That's not anymore. But they did.

[Trisha Paytas]

They did. Well, it was Alex Cooper, according to Dave Porter. All my stuff comes from Dave Ornament. Dave Portner said that they were best friends. Alex Cooper and the publicist, like they were BFFs. They were at dinners together, whatever. Then she became Alex Earl's publicist. Obviously that's probably where the whole unwell thing happened. And then, then now she's no longer Alex Cooper's publicist and just Alex Earl's. So maybe it has more. That's like if someone poached Oscar from me, Tana poaches Oscar. Maybe I'd be like, hm. I don't know. I guess it's like, it's a hard one to say because it's like on one hand it's like, oh, yeah, you'd want to like share it around. But then it's like, maybe. I don't know. I don't know how that works.

[Moses]

No, but big publicists work with more than one person. They can't have their entire career dedicated to one. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I was just trying to speculate something,

[Oscar]

but I don't know if it's the same one. I know for sure. Alex Cooper at one point was working with like Kim Kardashian slash JLo's publicist. And I don't know if it was the same one. I just remember when we interviewed her, people like you have to be. When I was editing the interview, they're like, you have to be careful because she does Kim and JLo and if we piss her off, we're not gonna get him anymore. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

So it must be the same because it seems like this girl's up.

[Oscar]

This was last year around super bowl and what the publicist did again does like all the press related stuff, whether like setting up interviews or if someone like asks for a statement or going with you to red carpets, like public appearances.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, what makes a good one? Like why is this person so good that she's like with the Kardashians and Al.

[Oscar]

I think ability to like control the narrative is like a big one.

[Moses]

Usually connections to the networks and the magazines. If you want to go on a late night show, you want a newspaper to write a certain angle on you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe any of those. Who do we know? Anybody?

[Oscar]

Moses.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, Moses is not.

[Moses]

He needs a publicist.

[Trisha Paytas]

We need a publicist for him. It could be everything else for me. Babe, I don't know if publicist is one of those.

[Moses]

What do you mean? I'm narrative is what I do.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar]

But I try to do another deep dive into the lore because I really didn't care for the longest time, to be honest. I remember when Alex Earl signed with Alex Cooper for the Unwell Network to have the Hot Mess with Alex Earl podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Oscar]

Kind of a snooze fest to me. But I'm sure some people were seated for it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And then seemingly out of nowhere, the Unwell Network had nothing to do with Alex Earl's podcast anymore. They released a statement that a Hot Mess about Alex Earl wasn't going to be involved with the Unwell Network work. And Alex Cooper said that she had nothing to do with the podcast being dropped. But Alex Earl said that, hinted that there was drama between the two. And she posted a tick tock saying, hinting that she had like stuff to say he to spell. And this was back in August, like years ago.

[Trisha Paytas]

So she's been saying it. Yeah. Like Alex Earl has always been the instigator. Yeah, she's always been like the drama. And Alex, where as per usual, doesn't say anything about any drama.

[Oscar]

And then a couple months later. This is where you get involved is when. When Alex Cooper posted the TikTok from the Unwell Awards. I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

To Circus. Oh, you didn't know this? Oh, even Tana released a statement on this. So I thought you. I thought you guys. I thought you guys like touched base on how to. How to address Restless and the Britney Spears song. She released like two TikToks addressing how you and her are involved. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

What? I mean, I love to be in it. All right. We're all in the thumbnail together.

[Oscar]

I'm dead. Okay, so Alex Earle on Dancing with the Stars. Dance to Circus by Britney Spears.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar]

And then a couple weeks later posted a TikTok of the guests at the Unwelcome Awards in Vegas. And you guys did it To Circus by Britney Spears. And Alex Cooper put in the comment or the caption, how much time do you have? Because we could go all night and that was paraphrasing what Alex Earl said about on Tick Tock when someone asked her to spill the tea on Alex Cooper. She replied and said how much time do you have? So then Alice Cooper pretty much like

[Trisha Paytas]

why the bridge is addressing just punch in the Chris Ross in the penis. But what's the shade? What is even that?

[Oscar]

She used circus. And that's a song Alex Earl danced to in Dancing with the Stars. That and you were in the Tick Tock.

[Trisha Paytas]

But what was like the jab being like. Look like the caption being not like we were Braxton. You know what I mean? Like, what is the like no one has any Britney Spears. Circus is popular. No one has any connection to Alex Earl in that.

[Oscar]

No, it's just I Alex Cooper putting in the caption what Alex Earl said on Tik Tok. How much time do you have? We could go on nights.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right? I got that. But what is the jab are just

[Oscar]

saying that like it was shade because she used a song. They're really. Even though the Tick Tock itself, it was just. You got you guys there. And like a. A mashup of all the guests that

[Trisha Paytas]

were at the Well, I can confirm she said, let's get Alex Earl. And we said let's do it. Whatever you say. And we're like, yes, this is what we want. That's crazy. I don't know who's was that de Moi putting that together. Like who put two and two together for that?

[Oscar]

All the Tick Tock investigators. This is the timeline that everyone is so funny. So all the way back to last. Last. When was that? August.

[Trisha Paytas]

October.

[Oscar]

October. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ours is October. That is a crazy caption to put with like other creators. We did not partake. What did Tana say?

[Oscar]

Basically that she had no idea that it was. Because she. No idea is not up to date with Alex Cooper or Alex Earl like that. So I had no idea that it was even like, like somehow involved with the drama.

[Trisha Paytas]

I might blame whatever publicist. I feel like a publicist has something to do with it. Because I will say when we do call her daddy and well, I think people just know this. Like she has a show like a social team. Like there's like 20 people doing socials. So I would be surprised if Alex Cooper put that as the caption. But maybe. I don't know. She seems to someone who like doesn't know what's going on in a. In like the best way. She's like busy. She gives me like, you know, like Tyra. They give her the bullet Points. And you're just gonna ask those bullet points and no follow up questions and that's it. Cause she's busy. She's like, I'm worth A hundred $180 billion. Like, I don't even need to read these questions about you. And that's what it gives me, even at unwell. Were you there with me? No, you weren't there with me. But it's just quick. Everything's quick. You talk to her for like a minute, she's like, thanks. She's on to the next. You know, we did like 30 tick tock. I don't know, seems like someone is orchestrating this sort of.

[Oscar]

Yeah, that would make sense. Because also, like, you know the. Again, the little Oscar over there that's like in charge. Alex Cooper's Tick Tock. That's like, oh, this will get the girls talking if I can.

[Trisha Paytas]

I tell you, there's a little Oscar everywhere. Every company, ironically online.

[Oscar]

Messy little gay boy, everybody.

[Trisha Paytas]

All the brands. You know me in the Chili's commercial. I said, okay, Ms. Diva, wait a second. And I'm like, can we see the reference? I don't know.

[Oscar]

Diving for your tea mama, but can I see the reference?

[Trisha Paytas]

Diva, I trust you, but let me just know where I'm going with this. There's always some very specific thing and I. But I love it. Every brand, job worked on which you can probably tell it's a girl or gay. And I love it so much because they get the reference. Sometimes they'll give me a reference of myself that I don't even know. Like, they'll show me the one from the Chili's. The. Sorry, wait, what did I say? No, thank you. No, thank you. I was like, it's mine. Like, yeah, you don't see it on the compilations. And I see my compilation that I've never seen as like a compilation when

[Oscar]

you're like crying and like, no, thank you. No, thank you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, I saw it when they showed it to me, but I'm like, I didn't know this was like a circulation meme. Have you seen that one?

[Moses]

Oh, yeah, it comes up all the time.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you remember that day we were together? Do you remember that day I was in that, like, little Bentley and I was calling Yoda's hysterical. I guess you could. Well, it didn't matter. But that girl, remember the girl that I was upset about, I was hysterically crying and I was making a video about in response to somebody because we were in beef because I was so shaken up by it. And then someone just like comes along to the car, like, not right now. Thank you. I don't know what was happening, but I was at the Rite Aid in Studio City and I was recording a song and this girl that didn't like me and I guess I didn't like her. I just remember she released something that I was like, shaken by and I was like, so like. Anyways. But I remember we were together and I was just so hysterical. I think that was 2021. I think that was a little moment, but also love to monetize it. Anyways, I sided track. There's always an Oscar and I'm always appreciative of them, for sure. I'm always like, thank you and shout out to the brands for hiring these cool gen zers because they have their. Their hand on the pulse. Anyways. All right, back to yes. Back to unwell, actually. Okay, well, I won't get too much information, but somebody I did work on. On the Chili's worked at Caller Daddy, and I had seen him there, like, so it was a crossover of it all. He's like, yeah, we actually shot Tick Tocks at Colorado and now he has his own company. So that's great. So anyways, and they know. They know what's up, so. Yes. Okay, well, that's a. That's like a reach. The caption is crazy.

[Oscar]

The caption is a little messy, for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Oscar]

Alex Earl. I think I've seen, like, two reposts that were, like, kind of shady towards Alex Cooper. The latest one that got Alex Cooper to respond was, like, direct. As shady as you could possibly get because Alex Earl reposted a Tick tock that accused Alex Cooper's Caller daddy of exploiting women's vulnerabilities from a tiktoker called the Bravo mom. And the Bravo mom said, I would honestly compare Alex Cooper to an ambulance chaser. Like, you just had the most horrific accident of your life. You're hanging on by a thread, don't know if you're gonna make it. And she's the first one there and called her, like, the grim Alex Cooper, the Grim Reaper. Because every time you're going through something, she's going to be the first one to kind of circle around and try to get an interview. Likened to TMZ almost, if you will.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, I like that. But that's always been the case. There was always someone like Dian Sawyer you'd go to, like, if you wanted to have, like, your truth out there. He.

[Oscar]

That's why, like, I. I see where the morality of it can come into question, but that is kind of news. Like, that's. If you're a public figure, you're going through something again. The way to, like, own the narrative is to, like, do it. Tell your story, bill your tea at a place where it's safe also, especially for women. Call Her Daddy is like a very sympathetic, like, women audience. I feel like if you're a woman moon who wants to get heard, especially if you look at, like, you know, Jesse from Secret Lives of Mormon Lives, like, that's a great place to tell her drama because it's going to be to an audience that will already be like, understanding and welcoming.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So the Call of Duty episode, when I did it, I remember so many people, like, texting me. Like, I never ever gotten so many texts being like, congratulations, like, love the episode. Like, people, like, really do love a caller Daddy. So I would do it all over again. So I'm gonna have to be team Alex super always. Because I'm always gonna be on Caller Daddy. But, yeah, but that's why I was, like, surprised because in the. The tick tock Alex Cooper posted was like, just say it. Just say what it's about. And then Alex ro reposted that one too, right?

[Oscar]

She reposted it and left a comment that was said. What was the exact quote?

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, on it.

[Oscar]

Working.

[Trisha Paytas]

Working on it.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's not working.

[Oscar]

Okay, on it. Exclamation point. Girl, it's been like two days.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, yeah, we need something a little quicker.

[Oscar]

And the only thing she posted so far was just the raw video footage of her sister and friend coming to wake her up.

[Trisha Paytas]

That part was. That was crazy to me. I'm like, what are we even seeing? You just like, hungover and, like, looking at the screen, There was no reaction. Girl, give us nothing. I was like, yeah, but that's what.

[Moses]

That's when they create. Like, you can see a content creator knowing, if I just drop something now, it doesn't matter what it is. I get a million of viewers be

[Trisha Paytas]

like, I can't believe this is happening.

[Oscar]

She was calling drama channels.

[Trisha Paytas]

Give us Shane Dawson, 2019. Give us that. That's what we want to see. You are fake, right? She was giving. I don't give up. Someone's recording me. Like, give us nothing. But, yeah, I don't know. The whole thing is weird. What are they promoting? I weird. I don't get Alice Cooper going into it because it's like, girl, you have everything. You have like, the biggest Thing everyone's coming on your show.

[Oscar]

I kind of live for it though. I feel like yeah, I lean towards not PR just because it is kind of like Messina boots. Like I feel like it's getting picked up up from publications every time. Alex Earl Shades, Alex Cooper. And I know Alex Cooper is getting those Google alerts and what is it? It's not like, oh, I have this viral interview. It's Alex Earl shading me. And I know she sees it every single time. And it's been about like five even me like when I look for hot Topics, like I see it get pick up all the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, interesting.

[Oscar]

And it's sometimes always like it feels like nothing burger. But it is a headline. So I think think especially this one being so like personal saying that like she is like helicoptering has no morals. The grim reaper of women's stories.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not bad at all to me I'm like, okay, I'm that girl.

[Oscar]

I think because it kind of skews the perception of call her daddy and like it's her empire she built. So it's like I've noticed that when people like really business minded people like this sounds like a crazy example. But Joey with Escape the Night, like when someone shades like the production itself, that's when someone who like is very quiet, it activates and it's like actually I'm gonna clap back. So I think because it came for the production itself, she was like, oh hell no. Like if you would want to be about to be about it, don't be weak sauce. Don't be vague posting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I guess so. I just think like nothing can crumble out. Super. To me she's like, like Joe wrote, right? Those two, no matter like whatever, controversial, whatever, they're, they're just like a staple. They're just a pillar. It's like ABC News and FOX News. Or Fox News. No, ABC News, cbs, what's the big one? Not Fox News. That's the wild one.

[Oscar]

Cnn.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's the also. Okay. Is that a good one or bad one?

[Oscar]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Whatever one we like anyways. Abc, NBC. Okay. It's like those are like staples that'll be there forever. Or not actually. I guess with like digital. Yeah. They're going. But you get it like, you know what I mean? And it's just like I just think nothing will like crumble that empire. But I guess, yeah, Alex Earl, if she becomes bigger, I mean she's pretty big.

[Oscar]

Yeah, she's. And I, I underestimate Alex Earl, to

[Trisha Paytas]

be honest, as far as influence, like

[Oscar]

I obviously I knew she is big on TikTok Tok but damn, she has shooters. Cuz I innately was like, oh well, I'm kind of feeling team Alex Cooper to be honest, because you have statute limitations to vague post about me about something unserious like five months after five months like either at me or be silent. So it'd be vague posting for a year. A year, the same old thing. Vague posting, saying you have tea and you're not saying anything. It just being like making all this kind of frustrating. Yeah. Especially if it sounds like she knows that it's nothing serious. It's probably. I would assume Alex Earl looked up to Alex Cooper, wanted to follow in her footsteps. Alex Cooper signed her. And then Alex Earl was blowing up too much on her own and realized she was in a deal that wasn't like the best for her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, Dave wanted to that he's like, Alex Earl should never sign with unwell. She was already big. Like usually you sign people like that that who need help and need the influence, but she was already big. So like it's not like it would have helped in any ways because those, those companies are designed to like take a percentage. Right. It's like the team ten of it all is like Jake Paul's the star and whoever he makes stars will get a percentage of. But if you're already a star, it doesn't make sense to go there, you know? So I think that was like the first mistake. But I also, like you said, I get the Alex Super 2. It's like so annoying. Like, yeah, I've had people be like, you know, I know Trish has like big secret. I'm like, there's no big secret. All the secrets are out. The secrets are here, the secrets are there. Like, the secrets are out. There's actually no secrets for my own book because there's like so many secrets secrets. So when people. I just know something and I would never share Trisha's secret. I was like, but. But there's no secret. And it is so frustrating. But I'm on such a small scale, right? Like I like my podcast is not call her daddy. It's not. It's not even pretty basic unfiltered, you know, I mean it's very. It's still niche but it's six. It's good. It's a grounded. I don't want to like lose it. I love it. And it's like I wouldn't be like combating every single person who's like, I got tea on Trish. It's like, because there's just like, not there. The tea's been out or whatever, you know? So I don't. I don't know if it's like, kind of weird, but I guess, like, just calling her out for it. Yeah, I'm kind of. I like Alex Row too. I really do. I like them both. I think Alex Earl is, like, you said, so influential. I like. She is. She is everywhere. Business perspective. I mean, I think Alex Cooper just has her totally beatens. That's why I'm like, it's not even to me. They're not in the same caliber in that way. Alex probably has like a. More of a fan base, whereas Alex Cooper just built a really good business.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And I think too, with Alex Cooper, she has some controversy. I guess people are really jumping, like, the mean girl narrative from like, stemming from like, Sophia with an F to this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, Sophia with an episode. Let's not forget telling me I look like I stuck my finger in a socket. It's like, diabolical. That was crazy. I was like, girl. What? I literally was like, oh, I feel her mental illness. She's like, fuzzy hair. Geez. Oh, my God. So let's not get to. But that's how it swings, right? That's how it is. Yeah.

[Oscar]

But that's definitely like the narrative. I see on Tick Tock a lot, like, everyone coming to Alex Earl's defense because people think Alex Cooper is like, more of a mean girl. But I'm sorry, it just seems like kind of weak sauce to me. I mean, we'll see it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

If Alex Earl really does come out with something crazy. But to me, it just seems like it's been drawn out for so long. It's been very vague and I think think she hasn't had like, a big explosive response. Because there isn't like, that much. I think if she came out and said it would be like, oh, that's it. Because at this point, it's like the drama. Like, all of a sudden we're thinking, it must be something so crazy. The twist must be nuts. But really it's just like, oh, you were in like, a bad contract that you probably didn't need.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which Alex Cooper said she's like, let her out of. She gave her the ip. There was no, like, holding her hostage or anything.

[Oscar]

Yeah. So it's just like, girl, what is it? It's been days and we. Yeah, well, you said you left the comment that you're on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, that was like, even her podcast, it took like, forever to come out. She did a second one where she was like, getting ready as a get ready with Alex Earl. Like, Jake Shane was on it.

[Oscar]

But, like, to get ready.

[Trisha Paytas]

She loves to get ready.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Someone said that she's the get ready girl. And I was like, I told you that. Oh, did you?

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were like, was it here on the pocket? Oh. And I was like, is that what she's known for? I did not think. Okay. Yeah. I don't. Well, I don't get it, but I don't get any of this.

[Moses]

But.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I do like a call out. Like, especially from someone, like, in general. Not messy, but I was. If Alice was a mean girl. Alex Earl also was being shady, like, reposting for a year. So what do you expect a bear so much.

[Oscar]

Uh huh. That's why I don't blame her at all for, like, just get it. Going rogue and being like, Alex Earl. Say it, girl. Go wild. Say whatever you have against me. NDA, just say it. Spill your tea on it. Because it's true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like I said.

[Oscar]

I wish. That's why Alex Cooper, she won me over with that because I. It reminds me of you back in the day. That title would just be like, tati dumb as hell. Like, you get straight to it. Like, it's no. No vagueness, no subtlety. It's in the title. Exactly who you're beefing with. Laura Lee, you're a For giving away that iPad. Not always.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Oscar]

But I could at least respect that you, you know, put it inside a Laura Lee. You should not have given away the iPad. I brought to the white elephant in

[Trisha Paytas]

party long title with everybody. Oh, my God, I am so sorry. To almost everyone I beefed with.

[Oscar]

That was I literally.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what I mean? That I didn't even know that. I never, like, even met or talked to. Like, that was crazy. Laura Lee followed me on Tik Tok. I followed her back. I was like, she's been following me because I said follow back. I was like, all right. Love this so much. She was on that Starbucks plane. No way. Notes where they love her. Her. She's Laura Lee. 88. We're both 88s together. We love it. Yeah. Last episode two people wanted to know who we were talking about at the end. Should we just say just one line? Because I feel bad. Everyone's like, who was it? We gave no context or no, I

[Moses]

think people knew, but people knew.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Colleen just, like, wrote a song that said she drugged her kids with Melatonin, Right? Isn't that exactly what she said?

[Moses]

Like, so they'll go to sleep. Something like, you want to do that? Exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

I swear that's what she said.

[Moses]

Melatonin was the thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

But literally, I think she said drugged with. But let me, like, double check myself.

[Moses]

The way I remember it, it's implied. Just a lot of it. Whatever it was, it was.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it was insane.

[Moses]

A lot.

[Oscar]

Because the. I didn't get that part of the song. But I listen to the end. I. The beginning was the kids kept interrupting her and her husband when they were trying to have sex. Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Which relatable girl. But also. Not really. Also do it. Like, when. I don't know. Anyways, not that point. Okay, let's see. I drug them with melatonin. She said it. She said, I. All right. I drug them with melatonin. That's what was crazy. That's what I was saying. That's an insane thing to say. That's an insane thing to say.

[Moses]

I didn't know the song was about them just trying to have sex. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I was like, okay, I get it. Cutesy. But the thing she's having the kids say in the background. The first kid says, like, wipe my butt. It's like, what are we. What? And. But then at the end. All right, I drug them with melanin. Let's get it on. I'm like, like crazy for anyone, but specifically, girl, with your allegations. You're acting. You know what I mean? Like, that's.

[Moses]

Oh, my God. What is it? I mean, it sounds like a weird. She, like, wrote a song for her

[Trisha Paytas]

husband, I guess everything about it's cringe. That's not. That's not even giving toxic cost of your. At least talking after. It was catchy. Like, girl. What? There's no chorus. There's no anything catchy. I hate it. This also makes me want to puke all over everything. It just was. So that's it. And I just wanted to say that because everyone in the comments, like, what are they talking about? And I'm like, I feel like this is insane. And I slept on it. It's been a week, and I still feel like that's an insane thing to say. And I'm like, I don't. It's just not the change in growth everyone wants to see. Is not that Ned Fulmar, too. Did you see him on a podcast going on again about again. And everyone's like, does this guy just not choose a private life? Like, why do we keep hearing from him? He kept talking about the affair and how the girl. He. The affair partner was engaged and the fiance knew. And he was, like, so worried that he was gonna tell his wife, but he didn't end up telling Ned's wife, but he, like, knew before it all came. Came out. And, like, right before it all came out, like, while he was cheating for months with this other lady, like, him and his wife's cookbook was about to come out, he goes. And it was really cute. We had this. Like, he is a psychopath. And honestly, I think Kali might be a psychopath, too, because, like, what do you mean? You're three years later. Like, we've grown, we've changed, and you're doing all of this mess still. That's the opposite of growth and change. That's insane. That's insane. That's insane. I feel so crazy.

[Moses]

I think. I mean, so much time has passed, and she's just. This is her mind. That's how her mind works. This is her sense of humor. This is what she thinks people want to listen to. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, I. But it just keep the boycott a little longer.

[Moses]

Maybe she was just like, let me be relatable with, you know, other parents,

[Trisha Paytas]

and I'm drugging your children with melatonin is.

[Moses]

I've never, like. I can't even think of, like, how opposite. Like, if there's a cream that you have to put a rash, I make sure it's not any chemicals in it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses]

I would never give them anything that they don't have to take.

[Trisha Paytas]

We'll just have the context so you can have. I don't know. The whole thing is weird, but it's. Well, is that it for our hot Topics or we got.

[Oscar]

I was trying to find where the song even came from. I'm assuming it was from the POD podcast.

[Moses]

I think I saw a short clip of just that one sentence on the podcast. But this song sounds very produced and obviously was recorded.

[Oscar]

And she recorded her kids vocals.

[Moses]

She had them in the.

[Oscar]

In the recording booth.

[Moses]

So it means that once again, there's more people involved, more people around, and nobody's, like, correcting her. Like, well, maybe not that her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Herself, like, your cancellation.

[Moses]

That's her mind.

[Trisha Paytas]

Her mind was about inappropriate kid jokes, minor jokes. How about get just everything off your mind of that? Like. Like, that's. But that's what I'm saying. It's like a sickness. It's crazy. Me and Moses sent it to each other, like, at the same time. We never share anything about her by the way, just like for the record, cuz like, she is, she has, I think, fully experienced a full cancellation where, like, people just don't watch. I think that's like thing, right? Because people like cancellations work like click killer and stuff like that. We obviously like his antics get him more views. But like, truly people don't care anymore. So we just don't see anything. So when this came, I was like, jaw dropped. Because I was like, yeah, I thought I made a video about it. I was like, Adam, no one made it to the end of the song. Like Oscar. Oscar's like, oh, I didn't even see that part. Like, what? So when I saw the comments, I was like, we need it. We needed to say. Because we were being so big and I thought everyone knew. I thought everyone was like gagged and not gonna say anything. It's like, okay, let's just keep her canceled. I say, but this is gay and people don't know. And she put it out last week. It wasn't even like 2013. Tiny group chat, whatever that was. What were they called those little.

[Oscar]

The weenies.

[Trisha Paytas]

The weenies. The weenies are gone. Her family's in Spain. Like, everything is just like, what is happening? And then she's like, oh, I got canceled over. Lies. Girls, girl, this is 2026. I don't know. Oh my God.

[Oscar]

It's a crazy bar to drop.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's a crazy. That is actually the craziest thing. Oh, my God. I. Yeah. Anyways, that was.

[Moses]

In the history of time. Was there ever a crossover between Colleen? Did they ever meet?

[Oscar]

They were Joseph and Beni Ho together, weren't they?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, well, they were in definitely Escape the Night. Well, bleep the one name, but definitely Escape the Night. We have to bleep her. Scared.

[Oscar]

Which one were you in? Which campfire?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that was with Colleen.

[Oscar]

Oh, yours is with Colleen, but I

[Trisha Paytas]

think they were both in Escape. Escape the Night.

[Oscar]

Yeah, yeah. All Stars.

[Trisha Paytas]

They seem like. Yeah, it is weird. The multiverse. I'm like, are they. Were they friends?

[Oscar]

That's a good question.

[Trisha Paytas]

Colleen was never like, friends with anyone,

[Oscar]

but besides Joey, I think Joey's like,

[Trisha Paytas]

don't put me in there, Rosanna. But I guess they both have denounced her.

[Oscar]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who? JoJo Siwa.

[Oscar]

Yeah, actually, I think she just posted a vlog with JoJo Siwa. Oh, so that's

[Trisha Paytas]

okay. Yeah, we just ended there and.

[Oscar]

Well, my last one was clavicular.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's your hot topic?

[Oscar]

I was just putting it off. Because he's kind of crazy. But my hottest one was really that I was eager was Alex V Alex. I love white girl drama.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I text it. We text on you.

[Oscar]

I'm like how are we missing.

[Trisha Paytas]

But it was like on a Monday too. We could have in theory.

[Moses]

I mean we should episode Max with Clav. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you love him.

[Moses]

No, he just. He put a statement. Do you have that after his overdose, whatever that was?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, I think it was an overdose. Babe. I think that was an overdose.

[Moses]

I think it was just like bleep that.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy joke. Okay.

[Moses]

He did it.

[Oscar]

Well, TMZ Got the 911 call yesterday of a 20 year old male overdose. And the address came from where clavicular had been streaming. And then there was videos obtained of him being carried towards an ambulance on social media and a statement that he was stable. And then he ended up releasing a statement statement today and said just got home. That was brutal. All of the substances are just a cope trying to feel neurotypical while being in public. But obviously that isn't a real solution. The worst part of tonight was my face descending from the life support mask. And he posted his a selfie of the life support mask and his face looked all jacked up.

[Moses]

So his face is the.

[Oscar]

Yeah, so his face is messed up. That's what he's really upset.

[Moses]

She's worried about.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Of all the other things. Oh like you should kind of be worried about like you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, oh God.

[Oscar]

Being on life support.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, he hates. That's why you think it's fake.

[Moses]

Oh, I don't. I don't think it's fake. I. I just know that forever people always rumored about substances things. So I don't know. That conversation was always around him about substances.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was a crazy.

[Moses]

And getting arrested every week.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, the paranoia too with. Well, Vicky. He like kicked her out of the car car because he thought she was trying to set him up. Like he's like okay, you gotta leave. Like he was. Then his eyes were like bulging. No for sure. Well he said there were substances. So he himself has admitted he's.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

On some stuff. Yeah, he's. He's interesting. He always talks about being like infertile. He's always just saying like was. It was a 60 Minute interview.

[Oscar]

Yeah, he did a 60 Minute interview with a reporter from Australia. It was 60 Minutes Australia. And that went viral because everyone was saying that the. The reporter frame logged and jester maxed him because the reporter was handsome and also like how to smirk the Whole time like he was eating him up,

[Trisha Paytas]

you know, kind of was. Huh?

[Oscar]

He was. And he was. The interview was supposed to be focused on like looks maxing. That was what the segment was. There was another looks maxer that the reporter interviewed for the segment as well. But Clav walked out of the interview when the reporter brought. Brought up Andrew Tate and being an incel. Basically because Clive said, I'm not getting political. This isn't political. We're talking about look smacking. And he.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's political? Andrew Tate's political?

[Oscar]

Yes, he's a politician. He's just like very red pilled. Anti women, anti everything except being alpha male.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he even here? I thought he's like in. Is he Russian or something or what was.

[Oscar]

He was arrested right overseas, Poland or Romania, I think Romania.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I just don't.

[Oscar]

Okay, but why they're here now because Guy Fieri, they came up to Guy Fury at. At an event and he shook their hand because he didn't know who they were. And then Guy Fieri had to issue an apology because he doesn't want to be associated with the Tate brothers.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yeah, weirdly, I get scared of all these people. I'm like, oh my God. Like, I don't know why. I'm scared to even like talk about that. I don't know anything. But I'm like, oh, I'm scared. They give me this. Everyone gives me spooky vibes. I'm like, ah, don't come for me.

[Oscar]

I didn't really know much about it. Like, obviously knew him and the lore and the terminology and I've seen clips and stuff. I haven't really heard him talk long form. So like a 50 minute interview on 60 minutes cut short because he walked out. But I was like, oh, like, I didn't know he was actually like this,

[Trisha Paytas]

but he was mad that they called him incel or asked him about entertain.

[Moses]

Both.

[Oscar]

Like he. He is weirdly I. Maybe because he's getting mainstream now, but he's trying to clean it up a little bit, I think, because. Oh, there's a clip that went viral with Andrew Tate where he was on like a tour, not tour bus, but like, you know, a party bus, whatever. And he was rapping to Kanye west song Hail.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who is this? Which one?

[Oscar]

Clav and Andrew Tate.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, oh, so he's friends with him.

[Oscar]

Yeah, so I. But I think now he's trying to clean it up and not be that like, controversial, but not like, see, go figure. And doesn't want to address like, political stuff like That I think he's trying to keep it in looks maxing. Because now he's doing Fashion Week and GQ spreads.

[Moses]

Oh, it sounds like he's money maxing.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Moses]

Like, don't hurt. Like, trying to be brand.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can I venture to say, like, he might have done all those antics to get noticed. Right. Like, I. I would. I would find it hard to believe he's an actual. You can believe my word. That, like, it's hard to believe that's, like, his values. I mean, maybe he does that for shock value.

[Moses]

It could be because if you're so. When you're so focused about looks and what is the optimal look, you get very close to the theories that were of, like, what's the theory?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know.

[Moses]

Of, like, the area and race.

[Oscar]

Who.

[Moses]

Who is basically the superior race. And he does walk around like I'm the superior looking person in the room.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who are we talking about? Andrew Tate or clavicular?

[Moses]

Clavicular. All I'm saying is, like, his whole focus on looking. Looks could very quickly bring you to think that there is. Yeah. Superior something. And any minute you think you're superior in any way, in any form, you start to walk a very dangerous line.

[Trisha Paytas]

But. Oh, you think that's real? Sometimes I just think, like, they're like, some people have to be trolling for, like, attention, but maybe it's real.

[Oscar]

I don't know.

[Moses]

I think he's super young, so I think in general, I think he is struggling with a lot, like, being so young, being in the public eye, obviously going into substance sense to try to meet. Mitigate the pressure of dealing with so many things when you're so young. So he's going through a ton of things, and then you're also vulnerable to somebody like Andrew Tate or somebody of that nature to pull you into something.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I hope he, like, cleans it up. I mean, I hope he's not really that person. I mean, it's gross anyways, whether you're, like, trolling or not. But, like, you know, hopefully he. Yeah, hopefully goes away from that. I think for whatever reason, it's better to not be on that side of the things. I don't know.

[Moses]

I think he needs to grow a lot.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it was scary that, like, I guess, overdose. What? Like, when they, like, panned away, but kind of panned to him and he was just kind of like, falling back. It almost looked like, to me, like a K hole. Like, it was just like, where you just are, like, falling back in your head. It's like Almost like you're like dying and you're accepting it. It's like it was actually really scary. I almost quote tweeted it because I was like, what platform is allowing that to like just keep streaming? Like, he was literally like, kick.

[Oscar]

But.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, is it kick? Oh, I thought he was kicked off kick.

[Oscar]

No, he's back on. He was temporarily banned after he shot the alligator, but. But he's been back. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you see the mom that came up to him was like, are you the one who shot the alligator? Yeah. Did you?

[Oscar]

Oh my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

So like, oh my God. Like an older woman. These older women love him. Like they're always coming to my live stream. Well, like we said, I mean he is like charming if he wasn't awful. Like all those things you say. Cuz it's like when you watch just a clip, you're like, okay. He's like, but yeah, that's why he would, he, he would benefit from a rebrand. I don't know if he's like too far gone, but also he probably needs help. I don't know.

[Moses]

Do you remember early Tik Tok, the guy that was just like, kind of like him just looking good, always smiled at the camera. The old ladies liked him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my mom liked him. What was that guy's name? It was so niche. Like I never heard of him. My mom was like, oh, everyone loves. Was it Mickey or something? What was his name?

[Moses]

Sounds like. That's right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ricky.

[Moses]

Ricky White. Ricky White.

[Oscar]

Something.

[Moses]

Something along those lines that's gonna bother me. Is he still around? No, I don't think so.

[Trisha Paytas]

My mom would always like, oh, all these women love. It was something white.

[Moses]

He would just play old fashioned music and be all just like looking at the camera, smiling, kind of like this guy. But all I'm saying is like, it's the same. Because you're talking about all these women liking him. It's kind of like the same style of a person.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I was just like a sweet southern boy. That's very different. I think he was just being cute, dancing to like Barry Manilow songs. Kind of forgot his name. It was so niche. But my mom was just like, all these old women think they have a chance with Ricky White or whatever his name was. And I remember she talked about him all that. I'm like, you like Ricky White? I don't think that's his name, but I can't think of what it was. Oh, that's gonna bother me if you guys know he used to dance. He used to like lip Sync to like Barry Randall songs like Wink at the Game. But he like, he also didn't get a lot of views. Like he maybe had like a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand. Like so my mom knowing him, was

[Moses]

he at some point kind of crashed out or burned out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe he became clinicaler. Maybe that was his rebrand. He's like, this is not working anymore anyways. It was scary. He needs help. But he's also getting fashion. He's like literally like the only person who gets to like walk a fashion Runway and be like just absolutely diabolical crazy.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I really, really don't understand it. It's weird too because like in the interview with 60 Minutes, like he, he. I thought he would be dumber. He is still kind of dumb. Like the way he, he talks about things like about medicine and like, you know, the smashing his face with a hammer and stuff. But he is kind of smartish too,

[Trisha Paytas]

so it's really weird.

[Oscar]

It's close.

[Moses]

You have to be to run a company like he does. And so many employees and so much money coming in.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think even to be dumb like that, to be like the face smashing of it all, I think is taking some sort of smarts. Like yes, I know what you mean. Like there are certain things, like me, even when I play dumb. Like there's certain things that I was actually just dumb by. Like sometimes you're just dumb, but sometimes like knowing obviously, like the face smashing with the hammer. Like he knows it sounds crazy, right? Like everyone knows it sounds crazy. But like, I guess Mark, cuz everyone's talking about us. Like I was talking about it. This is like not our sphere at all. And like he is huge. And I see him everywhere now.

[Oscar]

I'm like, he is everywhere now. It is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

But the antics just keep getting, getting nuts and nuts.

[Oscar]

But I know we would be his worst nightmare though, because he says like the worst thing you could be is like fat. Basically. He's like the biggest advice she's. Because the interview asked him like, hey, like, what's the biggest thing in your opinion that people need to do? And he's like, lean Max. Like the worst. Like you can't see any of the definition in your face if you're walking around with pudge and lard on your body like, oh my God, Eileen Max. And now you can see my cheekbones.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Oscar]

So he's like, you can never be attractive if you don't lean Max. And I was like, I mean, he

[Moses]

told Harry Daniels he hates to.

[Oscar]

I know, poor Harry Daniels.

[Trisha Paytas]

But Harry Daniels like he ate period. Yes. Well, yes.

[Moses]

Like, he's skinny.

[Oscar]

And also, Harry Daniels is the one that set up Clavicular and Wovicki, which is the greatest plot twist imaginable.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. All of it's a mess. This is one that needs God, as Woviki will say. You know how they all turn to God?

[Oscar]

By the grace of God. The kitty fairy tale.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Dream.

[Moses]

Say that Wiki seems like the most reasonable person in that room.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, she seems right. I think she was problematic, but I think she has changed. She's given me growth. She's given me change. She was a little. She has some problematic things or she still does.

[Oscar]

I don't know how. What the recency is of.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, she hangs out with Harry Daniels,

[Oscar]

so a lot of people hang out with Harry Daniels. Harry Daniels hangs out with a lot of people. Let's say that part.

[Trisha Paytas]

That part is very true. He was that Coachella singing.

[Oscar]

Everyone, everybody.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oliver's a mess.

[Oscar]

Did you see that? Random to go back to Coachella, but that killed me. The one that. With him and Emma Roberts, when he's saying Emma Roberts, and she's like, everyone's been mean to you. This Coachella. Come here, baby. And she hugs.

[Trisha Paytas]

What were they?

[Oscar]

She's like, everyone's been mean to you. I don't like it. Come here, baby.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why were they being mean to him? I didn't know.

[Moses]

There were probably a few people that just kept walking.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, like, you should ignore him.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Emma Roberts is funny. She's another one who, like, gives me. Like, she's probably a. But we like her. Right? She seems mean, but. But also, like, we love that about her. Like, we expect her to just stomp on our faces.

[Oscar]

That is too funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

H. What a. What a. What a week it's been. Coachella, clavicular, Colleen, Alex. Oh, my God. Cooper. Just lots of seas. It's just really weak from hell. But it's gonna be the weekend from heaven because Oscar and me and Moses will be appearing at the Coachella main stage. In the front, we'll be at the VIP against the white wall as Tiana starts scrubbing. There's a white wall, and everyone's, like, caving in. Like, what is happening in there? Moses will be making sure he doesn't get pinned by Jay Z's bodyguards while I'll be next to him.

[Moses]

I expect an apology.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is crazy. You're the original Coachella security influencer.

[Oscar]

Original little girl that Chopper owns. Bodyguard did not yell at.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. That was it. Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

There was so many topics. Shouldn't have done that weeks later after the hate train has, like, kind of subsided. Girl, you should have said that when everyone was coming on her.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're the one who started it.

[Oscar]

Your wife responded to her response saying she was wrong.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's actually.

[Oscar]

He's actually.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just get. Just kidding. I take it back. What?

[Oscar]

Poor thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wild. All right, you guys. Well, this was fun. I missed it. It's been a while. It's been like five or six days.

[Oscar]

A lot has happened.

[Trisha Paytas]

A lot. I love when a lot has happened in, like, just a fun, messy, cute way, minus the overdose. That's kind of scary. But he's alive, so that's good.

[Oscar]

And the dragon of children, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, and the dragon of children. I mean, that's the worst, in my opinion. I don't know if that's your own, too, and right a. Yeah. Okay.

[Moses]

Get this started again.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sometimes we cancel the right people. Sometimes. Okay, well, just, you know, growth and change, if you can. We love you guys. And, Oscar, good luck today. Music video superstar, I'm so happy for you. I'm. Yeah, I'm like, that's kind of everything. It's very everything. Everything. All right, guys. Love you. Thanks for being here. Subscribe to our patreon patreon.com Pre order my memoir today. Check out Oscar, Gracie, Oscar's vlogs, and Moses at Moses cooking videos. We love you, and we'll see you guys in the next one. To recap another Coachella weekend. Or not. If you don't care, let us know. All right, bye.