Confronting Joey Graceffa About ESCAPE THE NIGHT, Shane Dawson & Colleen Ballinger - Just Trish

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Podcast Summary: "Confronting Joey Graceffa About ESCAPE THE NIGHT, Shane Dawson & Colleen Ballinger"

Podcast Information:

Title: Just Trish
Host: Trisha Paytas
Co-Host: Oscar Gracey
Episode Title: Confronting Joey Graceffa About ESCAPE THE NIGHT, Shane Dawson & Colleen Ballinger
Release Date: January 30, 2025
Description: Trisha Paytas, alongside co-host Oscar Gracey, engages in a candid discussion with OG YouTuber Joey Graceffa, delving into their longstanding friendship, collaborations, and various controversies that have shaped their journeys in the digital world.

1. Revisiting Friendship with Joey Graceffa

The episode kicks off with Trisha Paytas and Joey Graceffa reminiscing about their evolving friendship. Trisha acknowledges Joey as "probably our number one hot topic," highlighting the dynamic nature of their relationship.

Trisha Paytas [00:00]: "Oscar is here."
Joey Graceffa [00:01]: "Why would you. Why would you do this?"
Trisha Paytas [01:17]: "No, you were actually so nice. I always talk about that how, like, you were probably the first person to be like... she's iconic and everything."

Joey reflects on his initial skepticism of Trisha but ultimately praises her heart, stating, "I know you have, like, the biggest heart, and I want to say, like, I knew from the beginning that you were the sweetest."

2. Escape the Night and Associated Drama

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Joey's popular YouTube series, Escape the Night, and the surrounding controversies, particularly involving Gabby Hanna.

Trisha Paytas [07:01]: "This was your audition for Escape the Night."
Joey Graceffa [07:23]: "We reacted to Escape the Nightmare, by the way."
Trisha Paytas [08:58]: "I do apologize, Gabby. I kind of went in on for no reason."

They delve into how Gabby Hanna was initially uninvited to the Escape the Night Christmas party, leading to tension and public fallout. Joey expresses a desire to move past the drama, mentioning, "Honestly, I just wanted to move on from that."

3. Joey's Dog Rescue Efforts

Joey passionately discusses his commitment to dog rescue, detailing the challenges and emotional toll it takes.

Joey Graceffa [16:02]: "So I'm fostering a mom with her seven puppies right now. And then I have my three. So that's."
Trisha Paytas [17:22]: "And then what do you do with all the dogs? You give them away?"
Joey Graceffa [17:56]: "I make it my full-time job with documenting, so I like make it have time and I'm also like always home."

Oscar adds, "There was one time... I had to step in because all the poop everywhere... It was a lot of work." The trio shares anecdotes about unexpected dog births and the logistical hurdles of fostering multiple dogs simultaneously.

4. Collaborations and Content Creation

Trisha and Joey reflect on their past collaborations, including the early days of vlogging and producing content together.

Joey Graceffa [05:00]: "I was doing white wall content where it was kind of like social experiment."
Trisha Paytas [03:07]: "Oh, really?"

They discuss the evolution of their content styles, from simple vlogs to more elaborate social experiments and challenges, acknowledging the learning curves and the collaborative efforts required.

5. Personal Anecdotes and Past Experiences

The conversation delves into personal stories, including Joey's tumultuous relationship with his former editor and personal challenges.

Trisha Paytas [11:55]: "When you and Daniel broke up, did you feel lost?"
Joey Graceffa [11:55]: "No, because I mean, before, I'm, like, such, like, a chill, relaxed person."

They also touch upon their shared experiences with past friendships, the impact of public perception, and the emotional baggage carried from previous interactions.

6. Astrology and Spiritual Practices

Joey introduces his spiritual practice, sharing his belief in the goddess Hecate and his ritualistic approaches to protecting himself from negativity.

Joey Graceffa [85:29]: "I love her. She's like the mother of Wiccan."
Trisha Paytas [87:55]: "Oh, my God. That's so smart. You act like you're not."

Trisha shares her own practices, including using crystals and performing protective rituals, emphasizing the role of spirituality in maintaining positive energy within their living spaces.

7. Future Projects and Goals

Joey outlines his aspirations, including writing a new book and expanding his pet brand, Tail Tale.

Joey Graceffa [114:03]: "I'm writing another book, so that's in the process."
Trisha Paytas [117:25]: "That's actually so big. You do. You're very good at."

They discuss the challenges of content creation, brand building, and the desire to venture into new creative endeavors, such as the anticipated Escape the Night movie featuring Trisha.

8. Reflections on the Evolution of YouTube

The hosts reflect on the changes in YouTube's sponsorship landscape, comparing past and present opportunities.

Trisha Paytas [33:55]: "They had budget, and it's like, then they just kind of, like, close."
Joey Graceffa [35:40]: "People constantly ask me, like, where season five."

They lament the decline of YouTube's earlier sponsorship fervor, critiquing the platform's shift towards less substantial content and the consequent impact on creators' livelihoods.

9. Closing Remarks

In the final moments, Trisha expresses her admiration for Joey's dedication to his dogs and his spiritual practices, while Joey encourages listeners to follow his ongoing projects.

Trisha Paytas [127:35]: "I love formatted to a lot, but what do i mean when I say boring?"
Joey Graceffa [120:32]: "Thank you so much for having me."

They wrap up with mutual appreciation, reinforcing their bond despite past conflicts, and teasing future collaborations and project releases.

Notable Quotes:

Trisha Paytas [00:09]: "Plug the tea. That's actually so cute."
Joey Graceffa [09:12]: "I was just like, yes, sign me up immediately."
Trisha Paytas [18:56]: "So how do you have the time?"
Joey Graceffa [73:00]: "I think she'll have a lot of fun being a goddess with me with all the dogs."

Conclusion:

This episode of Just Trish offers an unfiltered glimpse into the complex relationship between Trisha Paytas and Joey Graceffa. From their early collaborations and the highs of content creation to the lows of public drama and personal struggles, the conversation underscores themes of forgiveness, growth, and the enduring power of friendship. Joey's heartfelt dedication to dog rescue provides an inspiring counterpoint to the tumultuous elements of their past, while discussions on spirituality and future projects hint at a hopeful trajectory for both hosts.

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[00:00]
Trisha Paytas
Oscar is here.
[00:02]
Joey Graceffa
Why would you. Why would you do this?
[00:04]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, is there. Is there an issue?
[00:06]
Joey Graceffa
So mad she's never invited, but actually is invited.
[00:10]
Trisha Paytas
Plug the tea. That's actually so cute.
[00:11]
Joey Graceffa
When I let the dogs out in my backyard, I'd literally in a circle and be like, I am protected.
[00:17]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, I peed in a circle for sure before. I did that all the time. And it's helped. I feel like, around this house, it's helped so much. For sure. I did the whole house. I was like, I need a circle of protection. And it works. Do you think traitors ripped you off? Hello, and welcome back to the Dust Trish podcast. Today we have OG YouTuber and probably our number one hot topic. We talk about every episode. He's here in the flesh means he doesn't watch the podcast. Joey.
[01:05]
Joey Graceffa
Rosemary. No, I do. I do.
[01:08]
Trisha Paytas
I don't know. I feel like it's always cute, Shady, but I'm always like, I don't know about Joey.
[01:13]
Joey Graceffa
Listen, how did our friendship begin?
[01:16]
Trisha Paytas
That's so true. Me being shady.
[01:17]
Joey Graceffa
You were, like, my number one hater, and then we became friends, and then back to hating. Back to hating.
[01:24]
Trisha Paytas
No, you were actually so nice. I always talk about that how, like, you were probably the first person to be like. Because I had a bad reputation, and you were the first person to be like, okay, I'll give Trish a chance.
[01:33]
Joey Graceffa
No, I could see through it. Like, I know you have, like, the biggest heart, and I want to say, like, I knew from the beginning that you were the sweetest. And regardless of what people said in my comments about, like, collabing with you, I was like, she's iconic and everything, and I don't care what you guys say, one day you will get on board. And they did.
[01:51]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. Finally. I love. No, I loved clapping with you because you were the first, like, wholesome, problematic person that I collabed with. And I felt like once I had your seal of pool, I was like, dang, I'm in. And not really. I wasn't really in, but I loved it. I feel like we should start. And Oscar's here today, everyone. Oscar's here.
[02:07]
Oscar
The lore runs deep.
[02:09]
Joey Graceffa
I know. Do they know the lore?
[02:11]
Trisha Paytas
I don't know if they know, like, the full lore, which I always think is, like, kind of funny, but also I'm like. When I. We were talking, because I always wanted. She won, and I was like, is it, like, awkward? Is it, like, weird?
[02:18]
Joey Graceffa
No, I know.
[02:19]
Oscar
She always thinks she's like, why are you gonna be awkward when you See him. I was like, no.
[02:23]
Trisha Paytas
Well, because, like, okay, so I asked Oscar to be a part of this podcast in summer of 23. And he's like. And I'm like, I didn't really know what you were doing, to be honest. I didn't know you worked at et. Definitely didn't know you worked with Joey.
[02:35]
Joey Graceffa
So I was just like, 20 jobs.
[02:38]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. So he's like, well, I kind of, like, produce an edit for Joey. And I was like, well, I kind of need you to produce an edit for me. Like, can you do it? But he was so busy. He said your videos took so long.
[02:48]
Joey Graceffa
Well, yeah, I feel like we started with mostly just, like, vlog and, like, random content. Like, one that I think of is the cake video where I like, oh, yeah, bakeries, like, bake me a cake. And he freaking, like, became one of the bakers secretly.
[03:08]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, really?
[03:09]
Joey Graceffa
Within a twist.
[03:10]
Oscar
I always do in a little twist with Joey's videos. I love to troll him, like, whenever I could just to rile him up because he reacts well. You, like. You react well when someone's, like, messing with their head.
[03:20]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, definitely.
[03:21]
Oscar
So you gave me a budget for, like, these cakes. And meanwhile, the example was Rosanna Pansino, and she had, like, these, like, busts that were made out of cake of her face.
[03:30]
Joey Graceffa
That's what I thought was gonna happen is, like, I thought these bakers were gonna make me as a cake.
[03:35]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, yeah.
[03:36]
Joey Graceffa
And so when he showed me the cakes and they were just like, simple, basic cakes.
[03:41]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, wait, no one did a face up here. No one did.
[03:43]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[03:44]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, wait, what? So I was like, that's just changing the concept. That's just like, we're not even gonna do what you asked for. No.
[03:49]
Joey Graceffa
But it ended up being so funny. And he snuck in a cake that he made without.
[03:55]
Trisha Paytas
Was it good?
[03:56]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. Could you tell the difference? Honestly, some of these bakers were charging, like, thousands of dollars, and it wasn't a couple hundred.
[04:06]
Oscar
Embellishing queen.
[04:07]
Trisha Paytas
We'll do a thousand for the kid's birthday. It's like a thousand dollars for their cake. So. Yeah, some of them are wild.
[04:12]
Joey Graceffa
No, for real.
[04:13]
Trisha Paytas
So you were doing that. Okay.
[04:14]
Joey Graceffa
So stuff like that. But then it became. I was doing white wall content where it was kind of like social experiment. Jubilee cut videos.
[04:21]
Trisha Paytas
Yes.
[04:21]
Joey Graceffa
And that was way more involved. Like, that took days for you to edit.
[04:25]
Oscar
Yeah, because we'd spend, like, a whole day shooting.
[04:27]
Joey Graceffa
What, four? Yeah.
[04:29]
Oscar
And then each one would take, like, a week of, like, eight hours a day editing because they were so Involved. And also, like, I was new for you to. Yeah.
[04:37]
Joey Graceffa
Like, he had never edited that style, so, like, other editors who do that could do it quicker.
[04:42]
Trisha Paytas
But yeah.
[04:43]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, this was, like, a learning curve for him.
[04:45]
Trisha Paytas
So it's like a full week.
[04:46]
Oscar
Yeah. Because even editing, like, I feel like I was a casual editor, but I learned a lot from him, obviously. Like, I don't know, you would give me notes, and I just became better through editing for him because I didn't really have much editing experience before I worked with you.
[04:59]
Joey Graceffa
But you always had the eye. Like, he always would make things so much funnier. And, like, he would be the voice of my cat Sakura in my vlogs. My pet vlog.
[05:07]
Trisha Paytas
Like a voiceover?
[05:08]
Joey Graceffa
No. He would put, like, these nasty little subtitles where my cat would read me because it was actually him reading me. Yeah. But the little text that he put on screen, calling me like a twink and whatnot.
[05:21]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, my God. But that's kind of a compliment. That means you're tiny. We love a little drink. I think that's what. Yeah, Oscar was the best. We lost him as well because he got too busy for us editing. So we have a different editor now. But he was really good and great. But what happened was at the beginning. And then there was one time, right at the beginning, he goes to Hawaii for his birthday every year, and I get a text from Joey. I was like, I haven't heard from Oscar. Have you? And then I'm texting Oscar. I'm like, do I tell Joey that I've heard from you? Like, I think he's worried. Like, I don't know. And then we're in this, like, triangle. And then it became, like, crazy. And then one day you're like, well, I don't work for Joey anymore. I was like, oh, my God. I'm like, did I poach you? Is that okay? Or did you let him go? Or what was the tea?
[05:57]
Joey Graceffa
So my content was, like, dwindling down. I was kind of, like, shifting gears a little bit. And I just didn't have the work really for him anymore. So, like, I had him on, like, a monthly retainer, and I was like, honestly, it's like, not making sense for me anymore to, like, pay you this amount when I just don't have the work for you.
[06:14]
Oscar
Yeah, because we went from, like, daily on the vlog channel, and then, like, what? Like, once a week on his main channel.
[06:20]
Joey Graceffa
And sometimes I wouldn't post at all. So I was like, like, let's just do, like, per video thing. And so it was kind of, like, perfect timing that, like, this opened up and, like, you could take him in. So we switched out. It was great.
[06:37]
Trisha Paytas
It was perfect timing, and we're, like, so lucky to have him. But now, really, you're just, like, co host at this point, which is, like, great. Cause it started out as, like, producer, editor, and then now it's just, like, full on Closer, which is wonderful. Now we have Jimmy and all that thing, but. Okay, good. That's why I'm glad I was like, wait. Is it so weird that it's like.
[06:50]
Oscar
She always thinks it would be awkward? Oh, my God.
[06:52]
Joey Graceffa
Wait, should we pretend? Should we do a skit?
[06:54]
Trisha Paytas
Yes. And just be like. Oh. So what do you think? Oscar is here.
[06:59]
Joey Graceffa
Why would you. Why would you do this?
[07:01]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, is there. Is there an issue?
[07:03]
Joey Graceffa
I mean, yeah.
[07:05]
Trisha Paytas
I mean, he saw a sinking ship and he jumped.
[07:08]
Joey Graceffa
Well, okay.
[07:12]
Trisha Paytas
I can't see. That was so real.
[07:14]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was your audition for Escape the Night.
[07:18]
Trisha Paytas
Speaking of, let's get to that. I think that's why even my Public.
[07:22]
Joey Graceffa
Enemy, it's this weird thing.
[07:23]
Oscar
Public Enemy number one a lot. Yeah. It's always, like, she'll think she's over it, but then there's a new Escape the Night headline that comes out. And then, yeah, I'm never over it.
[07:33]
Trisha Paytas
Because I think now, because thankfully, people like me now. It's very great. But it's like, I get a lot of tags like, oh, Trisha should be Escape the Night movie. And I'm just like, never. Because they never wanted me when I was not popping. And so now, not that I was asked, but I always see that. And it, like, triggers something in me that, like, Gabbie Hanna was asked twice when you didn't even like her the first time. And I was like, how? Never. We reacted to Escape the Nightmare, by the way. And we love Gabby now. She's like, yeah, yeah, apologize. I was like, you. Where she did a public apology. And I was like, I accept it. Even though it was not to me or you really, you're like, I accept.
[08:07]
Joey Graceffa
Honestly, I just wanted to move on from that. So I was like, honestly, I accept it. Because I. I really didn't harbor too much, like, negative feelings towards her after, like, I said my piece and, like, people sided with me. I was like, okay, good there.
[08:21]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, period.
[08:22]
Joey Graceffa
I'm done.
[08:23]
Trisha Paytas
You did eat. We reacted. I think it's coming up on Patreon this week. We reacted to your video reacting to her Escape the Nightmare.
[08:29]
Joey Graceffa
I was fired up.
[08:30]
Oscar
I remember it so bad.
[08:31]
Joey Graceffa
You edited that one. He did go through.
[08:34]
Trisha Paytas
He's like, oh, yeah, this is where I, like, cut this out. You really did eat. She kind of ate, though, too. We were kind of going back and forth. Like, there's some good points in hers, too. So, like, watching it now. So many years late. I wasn't involved. I was involved with it, weirdly, with the whistleblower.
[08:48]
Joey Graceffa
Put a finger down. That's my favorite list.
[08:53]
Trisha Paytas
Angry at it, too. I was mad.
[08:54]
Joey Graceffa
You just kept going. Keep going while your hand is up.
[08:58]
Trisha Paytas
I do apologize, Gabby. I kind of went in on for no reason. I was not a part of Skate the night. I wasn't a part of Gabbie Hannah's lore. Like, I did go in for no reason. That I do apologize for, because I was like, why was I so mad at something I wasn't even involved in?
[09:10]
Joey Graceffa
But I loved it.
[09:12]
Trisha Paytas
So escape the night. And Daniel was here. He did fill in us in because there are some things, like the Christmas party escaped the night.
[09:19]
Joey Graceffa
The Christmas party escaped the night.
[09:21]
Trisha Paytas
Being uninvited. Yeah, being uninvited to the Christmas party.
[09:24]
Oscar
Comma, Escape the night.
[09:25]
Trisha Paytas
Not being invited to.
[09:26]
Joey Graceffa
You were uninvited from the Christmas party.
[09:27]
Trisha Paytas
I Wasn't invited in 2019.
[09:31]
Joey Graceffa
Didn't know that.
[09:32]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. And I think in the Gabby video, she talks about it and Daniel replies, oh, it wasn't about you. It was about Trisha's not invited. But then Gabby buys a Christmas present and she ends up not getting invited to that Christmas party either. So she was like, danielle, you told me it was Trisha, not me. But Daniel really was. Both of us. He was just throwing me under the bus. Do you remember this?
[09:49]
Joey Graceffa
Literally have no recollection.
[09:51]
Oscar
Probably a Daniel. A Daniel thing.
[09:54]
Trisha Paytas
Daniel was the drama, wasn't he? Yes, Daniel. He was the drama here. I didn't know he. I think he might have been one of our more controversial guests here. Really? People were like, weirdly, like, oh, Danielle Pradel. Which I think he's just under the radar. Sweet. You know what I mean? Like, and then people kind of were. I don't know. People were a little.
[10:10]
Joey Graceffa
I mean, he says it, like, it is, to be honest, like, too real. Like. Yeah, I think he. Yeah, he says what a lot of people are thinking, to be honest.
[10:17]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, I think that's why I like him. He's kind of sassy, but real sometimes.
[10:22]
Joey Graceffa
I think so, yeah.
[10:23]
Oscar
He also loves stirring the pot, though. Like, he. I think back in the day, not as much anymore, but, you know, he used to Love, like, tweeting, like, subtweeting. And everyone knew what you were talking. We know who you're talking about.
[10:33]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my gosh. 100%.
[10:35]
Trisha Paytas
Which. How did you guys even date? Because you're so not. Drama. And he sewed the drama.
[10:40]
Joey Graceffa
I think I kind of liked that, though. Like, he. He brought a lot out in me, like, as, like, a person and, like, my personality, because I feel like I was. I let people, like, walk over me and stuff. And he really, like, taught me a lot of ways to. To protect myself, set boundaries. Yeah. And also to, like, be a little snippy at times.
[11:04]
Trisha Paytas
Can you be? I feel like you're so not.
[11:07]
Joey Graceffa
No, I definitely can be. In real life. Yeah.
[11:10]
Trisha Paytas
Wow. This is a new Joey. I don't know. I feel like I've never seen you ever again.
[11:13]
Joey Graceffa
It's the Taurus. Like, I think us, like, it takes a lot to get us to a place of, like, getting fired up, but when we do, we unleash.
[11:22]
Trisha Paytas
Yes. Taurus with mental illness over here. Sorry. Going for me. So it is true.
[11:26]
Joey Graceffa
It's a little too.
[11:27]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, I think now I'm more like that. It does take me a lot to get riled up. But when you do, it's, like, unleash for sure. Oh, my God.
[11:33]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
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Trisha Paytas
But you are always so, like, calm. When you and Daniel broke up, did you feel lost? Because I feel like, in a way, and I mean this, like, in a good way. Like, me and Moses is, like, that same sort of relationship where he, like, is just so organized. Like, I remember I'd come over to your house, and he'd, like, have stuff set up, and he'd have the waters and he decorate, and he'd, like. He, like, kept you, like, together. When you guys broke up, were you, like, oh, my God, what do I do? How do I take care of myself?
[11:55]
Joey Graceffa
No, because I mean, before, I'm, like, such, like, a chill, relaxed person. I think he, like, cleaned up a lot of, like, my mess around the house, but it didn't matter to me. Like, I live in, like, my own little world. So if things weren't going the way that they were, like, whatever, really.
[12:15]
Trisha Paytas
So, like, you, like, you were able. Because I truly feel like if Moses was around, I wouldn't know what to do. I wouldn't know how to take out the trash. I wouldn't know how to call for a mouse. Like, if you have dead mouse in your house, like, who are you calling?
[12:25]
Joey Graceffa
I had, like, a house manager who kind of was able to, like, take care of Those, like, day to day things, like dealing with the gardeners and the pool person. So I kind of had someone to do that. But, like, he'll come over to my house and he'll be like, oh, this place is like disarray. And I'm like, what? Like, what's in disarray? Like, everything's fine for me. Like, I'm happy with how it is.
[12:49]
Trisha Paytas
So for Christmas, do you have an empty house now?
[12:52]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[12:52]
Trisha Paytas
He decorates it.
[12:53]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[12:54]
Trisha Paytas
Who comes over?
[12:56]
Joey Graceffa
My house manager. Does I need to know?
[12:58]
Trisha Paytas
Because I always ask Moses, like, if something happens, like, what am I gonna do? Who do I hire? Where do I find somebody? And he's like, I don't know. But house manager is okay. We need that. Okay, so you have. Okay, so someone. Okay. I love Daniel's decorations. I would just have.
[13:10]
Joey Graceffa
So good. He's, like, so impressive with his, like, eye and, like, what he does.
[13:16]
Trisha Paytas
And you're not back together.
[13:19]
Joey Graceffa
And I did see that on the podcast you asked him for. Like, I feel like.
[13:26]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, because I feel like you keep your dating life, like, too private these days. Why?
[13:32]
Joey Graceffa
Well, like, I sometimes, like, if I go on a date, like, I sometimes want to talk about it, but I'm afraid that they'd, like, see it and then it would be weird.
[13:42]
Trisha Paytas
Are you dating people on social media?
[13:44]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[13:44]
Trisha Paytas
Okay, so these are people who don't have social media. So how would they see it?
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Joey Graceffa
I don't know. Well, when they find out, like, usually on, like, the first date or the second date, they'll, like, find out that I do social media. So I'm like, if they're going in stalking and, like, I do a review of the date that, like, is so weird.
[14:00]
Trisha Paytas
It is kind of weird, I guess. But, I mean, people would like it, though. They want to know what the team.
[14:03]
Joey Graceffa
I know, I know it's hard.
[14:05]
Oscar
Especially, I think a lot of friends of people. Like, if you say, oh, like the girls, like, if the gay has a girlfriend, and they're like, oh, I went on a date with this guy. And then the girls are the ones that usually see. And then they tell the person you went out with.
[14:18]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[14:18]
Trisha Paytas
And then I guess, would they be worded out? I don't know. I think it'd be kind of sweet. Oh, that's kind of cute. Especially if it went well. Like, you wouldn't be like, oh, my God, this was awful, because you wouldn't see him again anyways.
[14:25]
Joey Graceffa
True.
[14:25]
Trisha Paytas
Do you know what I mean? So at least it'd be cute if you're like, want so well, they know how you feel. You don't to express to them how you're feeling. They could just see it.
[14:31]
Joey Graceffa
Okay.
[14:32]
Trisha Paytas
You know what I mean?
[14:32]
Joey Graceffa
All right.
[14:33]
Oscar
I do miss, like, setting him up on dates and stuff, though. Remember when we were cast for, like, the jubilee videos? I would just go on his Instagram and just follow, like, every.
[14:42]
Joey Graceffa
So annoying.
[14:43]
Trisha Paytas
So you are not even, like, producer. You're, like, in the dm.
[14:46]
Joey Graceffa
He was. He was like, in my account, following all these gays.
[14:51]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, my God. Were you talking to them?
[14:53]
Joey Graceffa
Yes. Ask me.
[14:54]
Oscar
I was.
[14:54]
Trisha Paytas
Did you. And did you. Were you into. Are you like, okay, I'll go on these dates?
[14:57]
Joey Graceffa
Well, it was for video, but some of them, I'd be like, oh, he's actually kind of cute.
[15:02]
Trisha Paytas
And no love match from that?
[15:04]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[15:04]
Oscar
Damn. I was just trying.
[15:07]
Trisha Paytas
It was working. What is your type, even? Because I've only seen you date Daniel. I haven't seen anyone else you've dated.
[15:14]
Joey Graceffa
I would say just tall, dark and handsome. The classic, like, I really love, like, an olive tone. Like, dark bearded, like, masculine man.
[15:24]
Trisha Paytas
There's probably a lot of those out there.
[15:26]
Joey Graceffa
You would think. Where are they?
[15:30]
Trisha Paytas
Well, not in London, because you're in London and I don't know if there are any. No, over there they're mostly, like, Ed Sheeran types, right? I don't know. We love.
[15:40]
Joey Graceffa
I don't know.
[15:40]
Trisha Paytas
They don't have sun over there. That's all I'm saying. Yeah.
[15:42]
Joey Graceffa
Maybe I need to go to Italy.
[15:44]
Trisha Paytas
You'll meet Daniel over there.
[15:46]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, I'll just meet Daniel.
[15:50]
Trisha Paytas
Okay. Do you miss. Okay, you're. You're back to the dogs now.
[15:52]
Joey Graceffa
You're back to puppies, back to animal blogs.
[15:55]
Trisha Paytas
Okay. And did you do that because you love the puppies or you love the views?
[16:00]
Joey Graceffa
I mean, a little bit of both, to be honest.
[16:02]
Trisha Paytas
Because Oscar would say, like, no, he really does, like, care for all these dogs.
[16:06]
Oscar
Yeah. Because, I mean, people, there'd be like, obviously, no matter what you do, there are. There's going to be, like, negativity. And the stuff that I would see, really, the only, like, drama that you would be in would be like, oh, he's just using the puppies. But it actually is so much work. Like, I remember when you went out of town for just, like, a weekend and I was, like, stepping in.
[16:23]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, yes.
[16:23]
Oscar
And I, like, I had to have Darian come and help me because all the poop everywhere. And, like, that one room where they would be in. One of the huskies ate the walls and stuff. Like, it was a lot of work. And Joey was so calm about everything. Like, you were never shook, even when the dogs were, like, being nuts. It was crazy.
[16:41]
Trisha Paytas
And you don't have help with the dogs?
[16:42]
Joey Graceffa
No, I do it all myself.
[16:43]
Trisha Paytas
That is. And how many do you have right now? Like, at your house?
[16:46]
Joey Graceffa
So I'm fostering a mom with her seven puppies right now. And then I have my three. So that's.
[16:51]
Trisha Paytas
And where do they all stay? Like, right now?
[16:53]
Joey Graceffa
So I have, like, a separate room. It's like my dog room. And so they're there right now. But I love it so much. Like, I'm such a dog lover through and through. And it's so exciting when I get a pregnant dog, because one. I don't know when it's gonna happen. I don't know how many she's gonna have, and I don't know what they're gonna look like. So it's like a mystery box. It's so fun. And then they come out and they're so freaking cute, and I just. I just love it so much.
[17:23]
Trisha Paytas
And then what do you do with all the dogs? You give them away?
[17:26]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. So I work with a foster called Wagmore Pets or Rescue. And so they interview people who, like, either my audience that has been watching my vlogs of, like, me documenting the whole process of raising them, or, like, they use their network to get people to adopt.
[17:43]
Trisha Paytas
Wow. And then they come to your house and pick it up?
[17:45]
Joey Graceffa
No, I bring them to Wagmore.
[17:47]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, I see.
[17:48]
Oscar
They're in studio.
[17:48]
Joey Graceffa
Say my goodbye.
[17:49]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, I see. Okay. So they're like the interim.
[17:52]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[17:52]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, my God. And then how long will you have these dogs for?
[17:54]
Joey Graceffa
I usually have them for two months.
[17:56]
Trisha Paytas
From when they're born, and then they're gone. And then you find another dog or you keep the same dog?
[18:01]
Joey Graceffa
No. So then we find a home for the mom too. We get her fix and then send her. Get her to, like, a new loving home. So, yeah, the first one, the one that I have right now, she, like. It's so heartbreaking. She was in Bakersfield, which is about, like, an hour and a half outside of la, and the family dumped her because she was pregnant. She found her way back to the family and they dumped her again. So one of the neighbors, like, swooped in and let her in her backyard, and then I stepped in and.
[18:34]
Trisha Paytas
And how do they contact you?
[18:35]
Joey Graceffa
Through Wagmore.
[18:37]
Trisha Paytas
Okay, so they'll call them. They'll be. Is there a place someone.
[18:40]
Joey Graceffa
They could put this down?
[18:41]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, my gosh.
[18:42]
Joey Graceffa
So then Melissa at Wagmore will be like, I got just the person. Because not a lot of people take in pregnant dogs. Like a lot of times what will happen is they'll euthanize the dog or the puppies. And it's really, really sad because it's a lot of work.
[18:56]
Trisha Paytas
So how do you have the time?
[18:58]
Joey Graceffa
Well, I make it my full time job with documenting, so I like make it have time and I'm also like always home.
[19:04]
Trisha Paytas
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[21:47]
Joey Graceffa
What else am I doing?
[21:48]
Trisha Paytas
No, but that's. I mean, you could be doing so much, especially as like an influencer. People are just like so selfish with their time. Like, that's crazy. That's like taking care of like seven babies or even like a pregnant dog. Like never knowing when they're about to give birth.
[21:58]
Joey Graceffa
You always have to be on alert.
[21:59]
Trisha Paytas
Like a pregnant human. It's just like. And that's so stressful at the end. Just like, okay, what do we do? We just have to stay at home and like, wait for it.
[22:05]
Joey Graceffa
Well, I let her out to pee and she came back running in bloody and I was like, what just happened? She gave birth to the first puppy in my yard at 11pm so.
[22:15]
Trisha Paytas
And then what did you do?
[22:16]
Joey Graceffa
And then I had to help her give birth till 4am no, you didn't. Yes.
[22:20]
Trisha Paytas
By yourself?
[22:20]
Joey Graceffa
Yes, by myself. Oscar's been there for like, how many births?
[22:24]
Oscar
A good chunk of them. There was one time, I think it was around Valentine's Day or something. I was supposed to go on vacation too, but one of them, we named her Chicken Fry. She like, went into labor.
[22:34]
Joey Graceffa
Craziest name.
[22:35]
Trisha Paytas
You love the name. Brianna took it from you.
[22:37]
Oscar
Oh, yeah.
[22:37]
Joey Graceffa
Tea. She stole it.
[22:39]
Oscar
But yeah, I remember I had to like, reschedule it because I think it was the second dog that you had.
[22:46]
Joey Graceffa
The.
[22:46]
Oscar
It was like a.
[22:47]
Joey Graceffa
Was it May?
[22:48]
Oscar
No, it was the one. She was found in a Burger King. Do you remember her? Oh, yeah.
[22:53]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[22:54]
Oscar
And it would be like random times. You'd be like, I think it's happening now. You might have to come over and be like, okay, there I am. Luckily, you live close, so it was always easy.
[23:01]
Trisha Paytas
Wait, so, like, you. So you're driving past a Burger King, you're like, that dog. Let's get him.
[23:05]
Joey Graceffa
No, this was her backstory. Yeah.
[23:07]
Oscar
She was found.
[23:08]
Trisha Paytas
So then they got to wag more for Burger King.
[23:10]
Joey Graceffa
Okay, got it.
[23:11]
Trisha Paytas
So you would assist in the births?
[23:12]
Joey Graceffa
I would film. Usually I was gigging, gagging in the background because it is pretty gruesome. Like, they come out and they're like, wet and bloody.
[23:19]
Oscar
Placenta.
[23:20]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, shit. Wait, so what are you doing with the placenta? What are you doing with all this?
[23:23]
Joey Graceffa
The mom eats it. What? It comes out in a sack and then it comes out with the umbilical cord with the afterbirth and she gobbles it down.
[23:32]
Trisha Paytas
And you cut the umbilical cord?
[23:34]
Joey Graceffa
No, she does. With her teeth.
[23:35]
Trisha Paytas
She is this common for every dog.
[23:38]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, they just know what to do.
[23:39]
Trisha Paytas
That's good with everything, actually. That's so fierce.
[23:41]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[23:42]
Trisha Paytas
I wish I could do that with my babies.
[23:44]
Oscar
It'd be a lot easier.
[23:45]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, that is. Wait, what? Is there ever complications? Like, do they have C sections for dogs?
[23:50]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, so I did have one. She was allegedly a pug. She was not. She catfished, but she was too small. And one came out and was just stuck. And I was, like, trying to figure out how to get it out, and I couldn't, and I had to rush her to the hospital.
[24:07]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, my God.
[24:09]
Joey Graceffa
And that puppy, unfortunately, didn't make it, but the rest survived.
[24:13]
Trisha Paytas
How many were there total?
[24:14]
Joey Graceffa
I think there was maybe six. Yeah.
[24:16]
Trisha Paytas
And they're coming out just like a human. Like, out there.
[24:19]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. This one came. What is it when they come out backwards. What is that called?
[24:23]
Trisha Paytas
Breached.
[24:24]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. Breeched. Oh, my gosh. And so the head was, like, stuck in the pelvis and couldn't get through the birth canal.
[24:29]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, my gosh.
[24:30]
Joey Graceffa
So the rest had to be C section.
[24:32]
Trisha Paytas
Oh. Oh, my God. You might be the most charitable YouTuber. I don't think anyone is doing this. Like, that is actually insane. Like, I know you're filming it and whatever, but, like, obviously that's like a full time, more than full time job. You're doing it 24 hours a day.
[24:44]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, it's a lot. But again, like, I love it. And I just launched my own pet brand. So.
[24:50]
Trisha Paytas
Wait, what is the pet brand?
[24:51]
Joey Graceffa
It's called Tail T A L E. I'm starting with, like, dog supplement treats. So I have, like, a skin and coat and a calming one that just, like, gives them the nutrients that they need.
[25:01]
Trisha Paytas
Are you partnering with someone or you come up with this? You're like, in the lab.
[25:05]
Oscar
In the lab, yeah.
[25:08]
Joey Graceffa
Scientifical. With the goggles and everything.
[25:10]
Oscar
Jaclyn Hill with the lipsticks.
[25:12]
Joey Graceffa
I love this vision.
[25:15]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. Cause, like, you probably are like, oh, this is what they need. Like, you probably have some insight. Or you're just like.
[25:18]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, no, I made sure it was testing, making sure it's all great ingredients. And yeah, the skin coat made my dog's fur, like, so soft and shiny in two days.
[25:28]
Trisha Paytas
Wow.
[25:28]
Joey Graceffa
And then I have a calming one that literally, like, makes them fall asleep and.
[25:31]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, like a sedative?
[25:33]
Joey Graceffa
No, it calms them down. Like, my dogs have separation anxiety, so I just give them a few of these if I'm like, leaving, like, today. And then I come home and they're just like, what were you even gone?
[25:43]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, it's natural stuff. It's natural and safe. Obviously.
[25:47]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[25:47]
Trisha Paytas
I think I saw this. Did you have a launch party?
[25:49]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[25:50]
Trisha Paytas
Purple and teal.
[25:51]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[25:51]
Trisha Paytas
I don't think I was invited.
[25:52]
Oscar
We were invited. Yes. But we had to film that day.
[25:55]
Trisha Paytas
No.
[25:55]
Oscar
What is it?
[25:56]
Trisha Paytas
Yes.
[25:56]
Oscar
Remember we got the text at the same time.
[25:58]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, from who?
[25:59]
Joey Graceffa
From me.
[26:00]
Oscar
It's from the website.
[26:02]
Joey Graceffa
From the. This is like. Actually, Ellen, that happens to me all the time. I'm very much like, you were invited, Ellen. That's not true.
[26:14]
Trisha Paytas
In so many situations. You're so right. Oh, my gosh. Wait, why were we were at Patreon? What were we doing?
[26:19]
Joey Graceffa
We had no.
[26:21]
Oscar
You left. Yes.
[26:22]
Joey Graceffa
Honestly, I think it was. And same with Escape the Night, the movie. I.
[26:28]
Trisha Paytas
No one reached out for that. There's no way no one reached out.
[26:30]
Joey Graceffa
I reached out to you. I texted you like five times.
[26:33]
Trisha Paytas
No, you didn't.
[26:34]
Joey Graceffa
Yes, I did.
[26:35]
Trisha Paytas
For Escape the Night or a project. We gotta fact check this. I feel like it was like, I have a project coming up, which was.
[26:40]
Joey Graceffa
Escape the Night, but I feel like.
[26:41]
Trisha Paytas
If you would've said Escape the Night, I would have responded.
[26:43]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my God.
[26:44]
Oscar
Again, Ellen. Yes. You even had Rosanna ask you.
[26:49]
Trisha Paytas
Really? I swear, I don't remember this. And I'm not even being. Whatever. I also just might be a little.
[26:54]
Joey Graceffa
Out of my mind. So mad. She's never invited, but actually is invited.
[26:59]
Trisha Paytas
Clock the tea. That's actually so true.
[27:02]
Oscar
Her memory is questionable.
[27:04]
Trisha Paytas
You would have me on Escape the Night. Do you have to get approvals for this new one you're doing?
[27:08]
Joey Graceffa
No. So. Well, it's already been shot. Oh. Which I saw you were gonna have Tana on to talk about tea. Did she come on? Because I wanted to see what she said.
[27:17]
Trisha Paytas
She is coming on soon, this afternoon in a few hours. But she. Cause she was talking. We were talking about esc. The nightmare, The Gabby versus you back then. I was there when the chicken incident happened and I was like, oh, I need the tea on that.
[27:29]
Joey Graceffa
What chicken?
[27:30]
Trisha Paytas
I don't know. That's what I need to know. There was, like, a chicken when she.
[27:33]
Oscar
Was freaking out over the food with the healthy meals.
[27:36]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, she said she was there during one of the.
[27:39]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, I can't wait to hear about this.
[27:40]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, right. Same. I know. I don't think anyone cares about this tea except for us, but I'm.
[27:43]
Oscar
I think it's fascinating.
[27:44]
Trisha Paytas
Me too, because we were watching it. I was like, oh, I need to know. So she was going to talk about that. Are she not allowed to talk about Escape the Night movie?
[27:51]
Joey Graceffa
I mean, she basically did on her podcast. So it's like. She's like, I can't say what show it is, but basically you had to run around and you had to escape while it's nighttime. I'm like, girl, just say the freaking name.
[28:02]
Trisha Paytas
It's not announced. I thought the cast was like, there is. There is a TikTok that looks like your TikTok that, like, leaks the photos and stuff. Like, I saw you dressed in, like, the little Back to the Future outfit, and I was like, oh, I think Joey posted this. And it wasn't. It was like this other TikTok.
[28:14]
Joey Graceffa
And we're like, I did post that. I obviously didn't say it was Escape the Night, but people are like little investigators.
[28:19]
Trisha Paytas
I mean. Yeah.
[28:20]
Joey Graceffa
So not all. There's some that they've gotten right, but there's still a few that have stayed hidden.
[28:26]
Trisha Paytas
I feel like I know the whole cast. That's why I thought it was, like, out there, because there's that TikTok and they just show everybody that's gonna be on it. So I was like, I don't know if this is a secret anymore.
[28:33]
Joey Graceffa
There's a couple that they haven't exposed. So holding onto those, do people know who they are?
[28:38]
Trisha Paytas
What the other people? Like, would they know? Would they be like. Because the ones I saw were very recognizable. Names are the people they have, I.
[28:43]
Joey Graceffa
Guess, more Rosanna and now Tana are like, the only ones that have been exposed.
[28:48]
Trisha Paytas
But it looks like it would be an official Escape the Night account. But they're. They're pretty deep. They pretty. They know what's up.
[28:54]
Joey Graceffa
I. I kind of live.
[28:55]
Trisha Paytas
And it's a movie.
[28:57]
Joey Graceffa
Well, not really. It's essentially like an additional episode. Cause we filmed it the same way we would the show. And there's, like, some scripted moments, but it's mostly just, like, us, like, live action role playing.
[29:10]
Trisha Paytas
That sounds so fun, though. I'm not gonna lie.
[29:12]
Joey Graceffa
You'd be so good. No. So here's the thing.
[29:13]
Trisha Paytas
Hey, I'm jealous.
[29:14]
Joey Graceffa
So what I'm gonna do is I'm going to pitch it to a network. Kind of like how the Traitors has its own, like, each season self contained.
[29:22]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah.
[29:23]
Joey Graceffa
I want to basically go to a network like Amazon, netf, Hulu, wherever, and be like, do you want your version of the Traitors? Here's the format of Escape the Night with no context of the previous seasons, like, being part of it, but just the formula. And then each season will be self contained. So I want you to be in that.
[29:41]
Trisha Paytas
I'm done. I'm on. But then you probably have to get approved by Amazon. Probably has to do approvals. And let me tell you, Amazon's not my biggest fan.
[29:48]
Joey Graceffa
Okay, what about Netflix? What about Hulu?
[29:51]
Trisha Paytas
Netflix? Netflix might be. I don't know. I'm very fascinated to know who would say yes and no. I guess just call me. Be like, trish, I really wanted you. But they said no. I appreciate that more. Gigi told me when she was here, I was the first guest on her podcast. And I was like, what happened to that episode? They literally, like, knocked her shot. And I was like, all right, I respect it when you do say that. It makes me, like, feel better. But then I still. I'm kind of like, damn, that's kind of crazy. They had them, like, because we watched. Do we watch it? Escape the night we saw something. I'm like, these people are kind of problematic. Actually. There were some people on there that I was like, how are they on there? But not me.
[30:21]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, no, honestly, there was some crazy. Like, I was always very frustrated with YouTube when they wouldn't let you on.
[30:29]
Trisha Paytas
That is wild.
[30:30]
Joey Graceffa
They were like, you have to have at least a million followers.
[30:32]
Trisha Paytas
And, like, I definitely did back then.
[30:34]
Joey Graceffa
No, you definitely did.
[30:34]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah.
[30:35]
Joey Graceffa
But, like, there was other people, like Nikita Dragon they were like, almost didn't let her on really. And like, she just brought like, the best TV possible.
[30:42]
Trisha Paytas
Like, we didn't watch that season, but I liked the poster for that season.
[30:45]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, yes, yes, yes. So good.
[30:46]
Trisha Paytas
I love to see, like, clips. But then I'm like, this is kind of good, actually. I like. It is like, production. Like, it's a good budget. The costumes were good because of Gabby's video. I started watching the ones and I was like, wait, that costume kind of eats actually, you know.
[30:57]
Joey Graceffa
Right.
[30:58]
Trisha Paytas
It was good. Like, the production was good, the sets were good.
[31:00]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[31:01]
Trisha Paytas
I don't know. And it obviously did well because. What is it?
[31:03]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, Four seasons. People constantly ask me, like, where season five. Where season five. And I'm still working.
[31:10]
Trisha Paytas
And it's kind of camp now too, because it's like, at the time, I mean, I'm sure everyone loved it. Obviously, it's why you got billboards and like multiple seasons. But like, looking back, it's like nostalgia, you know what I mean? And it's kind of like, oh, we want that back. You know? And I feel like old school YouTube, like, no one wants, like a lot of that back. But that. That one was.
[31:24]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[31:24]
Trisha Paytas
Are you. Do you think Traitors ripped you off?
[31:27]
Joey Graceffa
I don't.
[31:28]
Trisha Paytas
I feel like it's very similar.
[31:30]
Joey Graceffa
It's similar in some senses. It kind of feels like like a cousin. I didn't watch it for a while because I was kind of. Well, it made me a little mad to like, see it. But then when I watched it, I was like, oh, okay, wait, no, I live for this. It's not like a complete ripoff. It's. It feels like its own show.
[31:50]
Oscar
Keen and JC remember they wanted to do Escape the House, like a twist off Reality House, but, like, meets Escape the Night. Thank God. That never went anywhere.
[31:59]
Trisha Paytas
How do you know that?
[32:00]
Oscar
They were like. We talked about it when it happened.
[32:02]
Joey Graceffa
It was a while ago, but it seems vaguely familiar.
[32:05]
Oscar
Or they were talking about it like they were putting it out there. Like, we have this crazy concept called Escape the House. And I remember you were hilted about.
[32:12]
Joey Graceffa
It because this sounds familiar.
[32:14]
Oscar
Yeah, they just were starting to pitch it and like, put it out there like a spin off of Reality House, which was basically like Escape the Night. And they. They wanted to get it on TV and stuff. Luckily, like, basically like Escape the Night but taking place in one house. Like Escape the House.
[32:31]
Trisha Paytas
That sounds bad. Escape the Night is camp because it's, like themed, which is like. And which is Traitors is not. I mean, it does have its, like, theme. Ish. Kind of. But it's very Murder mystery dinner theater.
[32:42]
Joey Graceffa
There's no real role playing in that.
[32:44]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah.
[32:44]
Joey Graceffa
And there's no, like, fun. Well, there are fun challenges, but it's not, like, no escape. The night's still better, so I'm not mad.
[32:52]
Trisha Paytas
It definitely is. Like, I do love the concept. I think that's why I was always, like, sad to never be a part of it.
[32:56]
Joey Graceffa
It is so good.
[32:57]
Trisha Paytas
You know, I love a good cosplay, too.
[32:58]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[32:59]
Trisha Paytas
Because there was one season that you just had, like, repeat people. I was like, really?
[33:02]
Joey Graceffa
So that was. There was. That was the All Star season plus Bretman Rock.
[33:08]
Trisha Paytas
So there was one new person on that scene. There was All Stars plus one were new. And that's why I was like, wait, was that the last season then?
[33:15]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[33:16]
Trisha Paytas
And then what happened? YouTube was sponsored by YouTube Red. They funded it. And then just close up or what happened?
[33:21]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, I mean, I was kind of gagged when they didn't pick up. So there was, like, changes in the background of, like, who was running YouTube Premium. And I think the show just got too expensive for them. And they were like, we're just gonna focus on crappy shows and don't.
[33:36]
Trisha Paytas
Are they still around? Are they still.
[33:38]
Joey Graceffa
No, it closed down.
[33:38]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, so they probably just ran out of money.
[33:40]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[33:41]
Trisha Paytas
Like, that's a lot of things. I feel like a lot of people get money and then just kind of, like, close down. Like, full screen was giving people, like, money for shows. I forgot about that.
[33:48]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[33:48]
Trisha Paytas
They had budget, and it's like, then they just kind of, like, close.
[33:52]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[33:52]
Trisha Paytas
I think, like, Snapchat, too, was just giving so much. I mean, I think they're doing okay, but I have a feeling they'll, like, close up. You know what I mean? Like, they'll close down soon because they just give so much money out, and then they're like. Or who was the other one? Spotify. They were doing, like, all these big deals, and then, like, now they have, like, no money. They let go. Heidi and Spencer. Like, they let go of so many people. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. That's just, like, what. I'm guessing you've been doing podcasts. You're on Roseanna's podcast. Who we love here? Would you ever do your own?
[34:17]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[34:18]
Trisha Paytas
Why?
[34:19]
Joey Graceffa
Because, like, scared to get canceled?
[34:21]
Oscar
No.
[34:22]
Joey Graceffa
I literally don't have anything to talk about. Like, I'm so bland and boring.
[34:27]
Trisha Paytas
Like, no.
[34:28]
Joey Graceffa
Yes, you're.
[34:31]
Trisha Paytas
That's interesting. I've never heard anyone call themselves that which is, like, so interesting.
[34:37]
Joey Graceffa
I would say I'm more of a listener than a talker, so having to come up with something to talk about every single week, I be so bored.
[34:44]
Oscar
But the good thing about you is that you have so, like, you've been through so many eras of YouTube and you're kind of in the middle. Similar to you. Like, you were in the middle of a lot of, like, friend groups and scandals, and you're close to everyone. Difference is, you said everything already.
[35:01]
Trisha Paytas
There's so many friendships, and I feel like we can definitely get down that hole because there's so many, like, groups that you were a part of that are like, what happened to that? Them? Where is it?
[35:09]
Joey Graceffa
I know the only one you weren't.
[35:11]
Trisha Paytas
A part of was the sister one. Right. You weren't in Sister Squad, or were you?
[35:14]
Joey Graceffa
No, I wasn't.
[35:14]
Trisha Paytas
Okay, so where were you at that time? You were the British people at that.
[35:17]
Joey Graceffa
Point with the Sister Squad.
[35:19]
Oscar
You were.
[35:20]
Joey Graceffa
I don't even know.
[35:21]
Oscar
You knew James, but you weren't with, like, Emma or the Dolan's?
[35:24]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[35:24]
Trisha Paytas
So are you in luck? Because you were, like, with London people a lot at one point. Are you, like, there in this time?
[35:29]
Joey Graceffa
Wait, are you talking about, like, the sister.
[35:32]
Trisha Paytas
You know, like, Sister Squad was James Dolan? Why do I feel like you weren't. You were not in that.
[35:36]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[35:37]
Trisha Paytas
Okay, so there was this other group of, like, British people. It was like Zoella.
[35:40]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, that was way, way, way before. That was the dawn of time. Yeah.
[35:45]
Oscar
James was a fetus.
[35:47]
Joey Graceffa
When I thought the.
[35:49]
Trisha Paytas
The British squad was after your, like, Tributes era. After your Hunger Games?
[35:53]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. Okay, so, like, that was like, 24, 2013-14.
[35:58]
Trisha Paytas
So when is the Tribute era? When's the Hunger Games era?
[36:00]
Joey Graceffa
That was 2012.
[36:02]
Trisha Paytas
And when did you start?
[36:03]
Joey Graceffa
2007.
[36:05]
Trisha Paytas
Your channel? Not the Winter Pro?
[36:06]
Joey Graceffa
Winter. Spring. Winter. Spring Pro was 2007.
[36:10]
Trisha Paytas
Wow. So you've been on, like, just as long as me.
[36:12]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[36:12]
Trisha Paytas
That's crazy, because I really don't know anyone who's been on. Do you? Like, maybe. Again, I'm not remembering. Do you know anyone who's been on since 2007?
[36:19]
Joey Graceffa
That's still there.
[36:22]
Oscar
We do love Ijustine.
[36:24]
Trisha Paytas
She really is a queen.
[36:25]
Joey Graceffa
She was like my idol growing up.
[36:26]
Oscar
I was like, me too.
[36:28]
Joey Graceffa
She's everything.
[36:28]
Trisha Paytas
But you started the same time as her.
[36:30]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. And she was everything.
[36:32]
Trisha Paytas
Really. Wait, were you just really into, like, map books or what? She's just techie. Right?
[36:39]
Joey Graceffa
Not back then. She was doing, like, skits and music Videos and stuff.
[36:42]
Trisha Paytas
Really?
[36:43]
Oscar
Like, she would. I think she put. And she put the camera on her head and she was like, did. Went live for, like, 24 hours before it was, like, a thing. She was really ahead of the curve.
[36:51]
Joey Graceffa
She's always been.
[36:52]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, I had no idea. She's still doing sketches and stuff.
[36:54]
Joey Graceffa
No, I know. She's, like, all tax.
[36:56]
Trisha Paytas
Do you think she gets paid by Apple?
[36:59]
Oscar
I think so, because now she goes to the real events and stuff. Before, she. Her thing was she had to sneak in, but now she gets, like, the VIP ticket and she gets the freaking iPhones, like, two weeks before anyone else.
[37:08]
Joey Graceffa
I don't know if Apple pays or if they just give you, like, exclusive content. I don't know.
[37:13]
Trisha Paytas
And, like. And you're friends with her?
[37:15]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. You still talk to her sometimes. Yeah.
[37:17]
Trisha Paytas
I'm so fascinated by that. Like, I love it. She has really gone through what now? We've been on YouTube for 18 years. 18 years of YouTube with no scandal. Like, you've had little scandals. Yours are so unscarce. You won't talk about it before you got in here. He's like, let's not talk about the parking thing. Like, I know. Yeah, but I mean, definite Rosanna.
[37:32]
Joey Graceffa
That's right.
[37:33]
Trisha Paytas
But it's, like, not even a scandal, which is so funny. All your scandals were so not scandals.
[37:37]
Joey Graceffa
Which is, like, I was always associated with the person who was the scandal.
[37:41]
Oscar
Yeah, true. Let's think about it. It was like, Shane, you, Gabby.
[37:47]
Trisha Paytas
I was associated that much. You think?
[37:49]
Joey Graceffa
Do you think me and you.
[37:50]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, I think by proxy.
[37:52]
Joey Graceffa
Well, whenever we would collab, like, people would get, like, upset. Yeah.
[37:56]
Trisha Paytas
Really? That's so crazy. I was, like, so unaware back then. I, like, I knew, but, like, didn't know. You know what I mean?
[38:01]
Joey Graceffa
I mean, there was, like, two sides of the fence. People loved when we were together, and some people just didn't.
[38:06]
Trisha Paytas
So that's so interesting.
[38:07]
Joey Graceffa
It was always because I thought back.
[38:09]
Trisha Paytas
Then, because I was friends with Shane, like, by proxy. People were like, we like Trisha, you know what I mean? Until Shane got canceled.
[38:15]
Joey Graceffa
But do you think you'd ever be friends with him again?
[38:18]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, God, I wish. We talk about this, like, all the time, too. I feel like I talk about Shane, like, every episode because there is, like, he. We do live, like, close to each other. And obviously he has kids out, and it's like, oh, God, I really loved our. Our friendship. I think everything I found out after is him, like, I don't know, like, talking, like, feeding drama channel stuff. Like, I don't know, it kind of sucks. And maybe like, you know, I do think kids change people. So I think like, maybe now he's just like. He seems to be out of drama, just like is in his little conspiracy world. And I don't know though, also, you know, people just like change. Like, you know what I mean?
[38:47]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[38:48]
Trisha Paytas
Would you be friends with him again?
[38:49]
Joey Graceffa
I. I don't, I don't know. I guess similar to you, like, I think, I mean he, I can't deny that like he was such a big part of like my come up on YouTube at the beginning. So like, I will always appreciate like what he did for me when we did become like closer friends. I feel like there was just like a darkness there that always made me feel weird after hanging out because I don't love being around negative people. And I feel like whenever we would hang out it would always be like just talking bad about people and I would always feel like so bad about myself after for even just like entertaining like allowing him to like talk about people. So I wouldn't if it was still like that. But there was still so many funny moments that we like had together. And he was, he was cool and yeah, he was someone I always looked up to. Like when I started YouTube, like in 2007, like, he was the king of YouTube. So I was like this like person that I like always looked up to, like, wants to be my friend. Like, that was so crazy.
[39:58]
Trisha Paytas
Totally. I think that even with us, even though I was like the same age as him, like that's how I started, like got into YouTube. I like answered his LA casting call and it was to be like a stripper in one of his music videos. Remember it's called the one who turned you gay, which I don't think is up anymore. But it was like a parody of the Katy Perry song. And like, like I remember going to his house in North Hollywood and he was like my age, so we were like 20 at the time. And he like owned this big house in North Hollywood and I was like. And I remember his mom had like a fancy checkbook with like Shane Dawson TV on it and she was writing extra money to people who would say extra. And I remember I got paid like 500, but because I stayed an extra two hours, they gave me a thousand and I was just like, damn, you have all this money to pay people?
[40:30]
Joey Graceffa
Oh my God. Yeah, I mean, a thousand dollars for.
[40:33]
Trisha Paytas
Like a five hour day. And it was just at his house, you know?
[40:36]
Joey Graceffa
No, he paid people. I thought it was just like for promo.
[40:39]
Trisha Paytas
Well, I wasn't a YouTuber back then. It was, like, an actor on LA casting. So I think he was hiring, like, you know, people, like, background actors or whatever. And so. And I remember asking like, oh, my gosh. Like, what do you do? Like, how do you make this much money? This is so crazy. And he's like, it's just for YouTube. And I was like, what? I was doing YouTube, but I didn't know you can make money on it, so.
[40:55]
Joey Graceffa
Got it.
[40:56]
Trisha Paytas
And I remember he emailed me, like, two days after the shoot and was like, we should, like, hang out sometime. And I was just like. And then never did. And he got in a relationship with Lisa right after, like, a week later. And I was like, damn, I could have been Lisa. And I was so jealous. I was so jealous of Lisa because her channel went boom. She got, like, a million people. I was so jealous. And I still talked to her. I really like her now. And she. She has a baby and stuff like that. But I was so jealous. Anyone who would date Shane would get those million views still to this day. Really.
[41:20]
Joey Graceffa
I mean, I had, like, a fake relationship with him.
[41:23]
Trisha Paytas
Did you?
[41:24]
Oscar
Yeah, I forgot about that.
[41:25]
Joey Graceffa
It was showy where people thought you.
[41:27]
Trisha Paytas
Were, like, dating secretly.
[41:29]
Joey Graceffa
He, like, did a video where he was, like, dared to kiss me. And so then that kind of, like, started this whole thing where we just, like, played along with, like, people shipping us together.
[41:38]
Trisha Paytas
Well, you were in a lot of ships.
[41:40]
Joey Graceffa
I was.
[41:40]
Trisha Paytas
I guess we won't bring up another ship. Who? I just think of one that Miranda Sings. Yeah, I guess we can talk about her.
[41:47]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, we don't have to talk about.
[41:49]
Trisha Paytas
The person behind Miranda Sings. But you were. You were. Joey. Oscar told me this, actually. I think you were the one who told me about these ships with Miranda.
[41:58]
Oscar
Oh, yeah. Were we talking about it when it came out?
[42:00]
Joey Graceffa
I mean, she had so many.
[42:01]
Oscar
Yeah.
[42:02]
Trisha Paytas
I didn't know. I was like, oh, maybe because of her show, like, you were on it or. And I was just, like, so confused. I was like. Because my biggest flex was I was never in a Miranda Sings video. You know what I mean? I was like, oh, thank God.
[42:12]
Oscar
We're talking about, like, how. Like, how we weren't into it. And I was saying, like, how I only saw the ones that you were in, like, on your channel and, like, when Miranda was on your channel, because I didn't watch Miranda Separate.
[42:24]
Trisha Paytas
So crazy. Were you, like, a fan of the character? Were you like, this is so funny.
[42:32]
Joey Graceffa
Like, there were some videos that I thought were really Funny. But it was just fun to, like, role play with her and, like, kind of go into a character and just, like, make crazy up, like, on the spot.
[42:45]
Trisha Paytas
You love an improv.
[42:46]
Joey Graceffa
I do.
[42:46]
Trisha Paytas
As we did here today, which was bad. I just turned mean in improv, as I found that is so. Because characters, and not just her. Like, any character, I can't stand. Like, you know, Bobby Altoff. Do you know her? She had a podcast where she was very. And I was like, I could not interact with someone who's, like, playing a character. Like, it's so hard. The only one I can is kind of Terry Jo. But even that, I'm like, I don't know, because it's just. It's so awkward to me. Like, it's like this person's playing, like, a character, but it's, like, not really funny.
[43:11]
Joey Graceffa
Okay.
[43:12]
Trisha Paytas
You know, especially, like Miranda. I mean, look, I think about also people need to know is like, you know, it was like, a very different time. When you look back at that sense of humor, you're just kind of like, crazy that people like that. Even the Netflix show. I mean, she had two seasons on Netflix and re Watching that. We rewatched it when I had the podcast with her for, like, three episodes. So I was like, let's rewatch this. Because I love, you know, I love famous people. So I was like, let's rewatch their. Let's rewatch their shows. What made them famous. I get excited about it. I. And I remember liking it when it first came out and then rewatching it. What was that? 2023 is like, actually so many inappropriate jokes about, like, with the uncle and, like, this crazy. And I'm like, this is on Netflix. So a lot of people are like, oh, who like this humor? And I'm like, I guess it was a thing at the time, but this is on Netflix. Like, it was actually pretty wild to see and not to, like, judge or whatever, but it was just like, that's what people liked back then.
[43:59]
Joey Graceffa
I know. No, there's so many things that you look back and you're like, what were we thinking?
[44:04]
Trisha Paytas
Definitely.
[44:05]
Joey Graceffa
But, like, just as a society, like, we all accepted it and we thought it was funny at the time. Like Scary Movie, for instance. Like, those were some of my favorite movies growing up. So that really shaped my humor. And, like, looking back at some of those things, like, there's definitely very inappropriate, like, jokes in it.
[44:22]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah.
[44:22]
Joey Graceffa
But.
[44:23]
Trisha Paytas
Or even the Office is kind of like. I'm like, I can't believe they make those jokes. Like, there's just so much, like, racism and stuff. And I was like, that's actually kind of crazy because that was, like, pretty recent, and everyone loved that show.
[44:32]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[44:32]
Trisha Paytas
And there's just, like, a lot. I don't know. Maybe it's just because, like, I'm older now, and I'm just like, oh, my God, I can't believe that's funny. I do think that some things are funny, but not that I think I'm funny, but that's it. Wait, so like, back to Shane, when you were saying that, like, darkness stuff, I felt that way, too. Like, I always felt that way. And I participated, obviously. Like, we would watch Strawberry 17 and we would be like, oh, my. Like, we would literally have parties to watch, like, a rebrand. And just, like, I don't want to.
[44:57]
Joey Graceffa
Say make fun, but why? Why do you think, like, do you think it was, like, it stemmed from jealousy to, like, see someone, like, doing.
[45:06]
Trisha Paytas
What they loved or, like, I think just insecurity overall? I don't know. It's hard to say. Maybe because we would watch Strawberry and be like, oh, my God, look at all her interns. Like, that's so embarrassing when they. Maybe that would have been cool to have, like, a little team. So I don't know. I think with Shane and me, I think we both were, like, so insecure and, like. Yeah, just really. A lot of trauma, too. Just. You know what I mean? Like, a lot of trauma. And I feel like just not worked through trauma. I don't know if he. I never talked to him about, obviously, but, like, therapy, like, I know I wasn't for, like, the longest time, like, up until I was, like, 29. So I think just a lot of Just hatred. Right. Like, just in general for everybody. I hated Everybody. Like, any YouTubers I saw that had friends, I was jealous of you. Oh, Luke and you. Luke and Strawberry doing the tributes thing. Oh, my God, I was so jealous. Cause I was like, wait, they're making.
[45:52]
Joey Graceffa
I had a band. Yes.
[45:54]
Trisha Paytas
You were making music videos. No, it's not. I seriously, truly, genuinely love it. We watched Story of My Life.
[46:00]
Oscar
Yes.
[46:00]
Trisha Paytas
Which we hadn't seen. No.
[46:01]
Oscar
We were watching her Christmas music videos, and all of a sudden she's like, have you seen Joey Grozova and Luke Connor's Story of My Life? And I was like, yes, it has.
[46:08]
Joey Graceffa
Where I was straight.
[46:10]
Trisha Paytas
I love that video.
[46:11]
Joey Graceffa
But you're so convincing.
[46:12]
Trisha Paytas
You're actually so convincing as a straight, for sure. But that was the video that made me want to work with Andrew Valentine. That and colorful. Oh.
[46:19]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my God. I love Colorful.
[46:20]
Trisha Paytas
Such a.
[46:21]
Joey Graceffa
So many people think that's my song.
[46:22]
Trisha Paytas
I thought it was a story in my life. Swear to God that it was your song.
[46:27]
Oscar
It was like a year ago. Pretty recent.
[46:29]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah.
[46:30]
Joey Graceffa
You're joking.
[46:31]
Trisha Paytas
No.
[46:31]
Joey Graceffa
You thought the One Direction song was mine?
[46:33]
Trisha Paytas
Yes.
[46:34]
Oscar
And I heard.
[46:35]
Trisha Paytas
I got in my One Direction phase. What? Last year. And so I was like, okay. And then I heard it covered Jimmy Graceffa. I literally did. And I was like, wait, this was like, my favorite song. We put that on blast. Colorful, too. I never knew Panic at the Disco did it. And I remember we'd play it on blast in my car, and I, like, genuinely loved it.
[46:49]
Joey Graceffa
How crazy is that? Like, these artists must have been, like, so confused when a very professional, like, high budget, a music video comes out for their song.
[46:59]
Trisha Paytas
Like, it's actually colorful. That wasn't a video, right, For Panic. They didn't do one, right?
[47:02]
Joey Graceffa
No, they didn't do one. Mine is an official music video.
[47:06]
Trisha Paytas
And it's so good. Like the rain, the drama. Do you remember how much that was? Because probably back then it was cheaper.
[47:11]
Joey Graceffa
It was cheap. I think we did that for like seven grand.
[47:14]
Trisha Paytas
Isn't that crazy?
[47:16]
Joey Graceffa
So crazy.
[47:16]
Trisha Paytas
I know. And I remember when I met Andrew, my first video was $5,000. And our. The last one I did was like 300,000. I was like, how did this happen? How did we go?
[47:23]
Joey Graceffa
300,000.
[47:24]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. But then I went broke and I was like, let me stop doing music videos for a while. Me and Ricky Dillon just gave all our money.
[47:30]
Joey Graceffa
You did? That's crazy.
[47:33]
Trisha Paytas
I was so addicted to music videos. Now I have a Patreon music tier shout out Patreon that can pay for my music videos, you know?
[47:39]
Joey Graceffa
What was your favorite music video that you did then?
[47:41]
Trisha Paytas
Probably the one that was like 300,000. It was like on the beach and we were.
[47:44]
Joey Graceffa
Is that the one where you were screaming?
[47:45]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, I love it. Like, you. I was recreating, like, a My Chemical Romance music video shot by shot, because I loved it so much. And yeah, they probably thought the music video. The director of the original one saw it. He's like, well, she looks like she put a lot of effort into it. So he, like, appreciated it. Which was. Because you never know.
[48:00]
Joey Graceffa
People could be like, I know.
[48:01]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, this is weird.
[48:02]
Joey Graceffa
Didn't Hilary Duff, like, say something nasty to you or something?
[48:06]
Trisha Paytas
She said something like, ew, this is not it. It was something about my what dreams are made of. Someone posted one of the gay meme accounts accounts and she's something like, ew.
[48:14]
Joey Graceffa
She needs to come on this podcast.
[48:15]
Trisha Paytas
She's sassy. I love Hillary Duck because remember when she had a beef with. Oh, was it Faye Dunaway? I think, oh. Which is Bow and Yang's Instagram handle, but I think that's like, the actress from, like, back in the original Bonnie and Clyde. And she had, like, beef with her. It was like, she's kind of sassy.
[48:28]
Oscar
Yeah, I love him. Back in the day, they went back and forth for a long time.
[48:32]
Joey Graceffa
No way.
[48:32]
Trisha Paytas
Taylor scares me, but I love her so much. I'm obsessed.
[48:35]
Joey Graceffa
She asked me to be on her podcast, like, maybe two years ago, and I, like, died. I was like, are you sure?
[48:41]
Trisha Paytas
Did you go?
[48:42]
Joey Graceffa
No, it didn't end up happening.
[48:44]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, the podcast didn't, like. Did she come out with a podcast?
[48:46]
Joey Graceffa
Yes, she was doing a podcast.
[48:47]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, and you didn't get to go on it?
[48:49]
Joey Graceffa
But I was, like, freaking out. I was like, yes, sign me up immediately.
[48:52]
Oscar
I'm there.
[48:52]
Trisha Paytas
And they just were like, oh, no, it's not happening anymore.
[48:54]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[48:55]
Trisha Paytas
I would cry. Shane was on her E Show. Oh, no. It was Grace Helbig's E Show, and it was Hilary Duff and Shane as the guest. Do you remember that?
[49:01]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[49:02]
Trisha Paytas
I was so jealous. And that was, like, his big moment because he loved Lizzie McGuire, too. She kind of is the icon of our generation, for sure.
[49:07]
Joey Graceffa
I miss when they were like, companies would just, like, throw money at YouTubers and be like, make something.
[49:13]
Trisha Paytas
I know I can. I never was able to get a money deal. I don't know how YouTubers. Every YouTuber is able to get money in some capacity. Like, here, just do some.
[49:20]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[49:20]
Trisha Paytas
I wish I was me. Never could be me. I need to bring that back. YouTube. YouTube.
[49:26]
Joey Graceffa
I know. I'm like, do I, like, pitch them this, like, episode and be like, give me some money and I'll probably.
[49:32]
Trisha Paytas
You're so good at that. You're. Do you have, like, an agent that helps you with it?
[49:35]
Joey Graceffa
Sort of. Not really.
[49:37]
Trisha Paytas
She just go by your. How do. Like, I don't even know how you get meetings, like, any of that stuff. Like, how do you be, like, Netflix, I need a meeting with you?
[49:42]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, I. You definitely need an agent for that. Yeah, just call them. Definitely need an agent for that.
[49:49]
Trisha Paytas
Ah, so you. So you should do that. Because I should.
[49:51]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[49:51]
Trisha Paytas
And I feel like this is the time because of traders and all that stuff is very like, yeah, someone needs something like that.
[49:55]
Joey Graceffa
Or if anyone's watching. Watching.
[49:57]
Trisha Paytas
No one is. I always make a plea.
[50:01]
Joey Graceffa
Watches your show.
[50:04]
Trisha Paytas
Does she watch the podcast? We don't know if there's confirmation.
[50:07]
Oscar
I don't know if Chapel does. She says around her do.
[50:09]
Trisha Paytas
She said she wanted a dream blunt rotation with me so she, like, is aware of who I am. I don't know if she watches the podcast.
[50:14]
Joey Graceffa
I thought she said, like, I was gonna be on the podcast.
[50:16]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, she was supposed to come on. Yeah, she did say that. Yeah, she was supposed to come on. Yeah. It was during the time of, like, the height, like, when she was, like, blowing up, like, last summer.
[50:23]
Joey Graceffa
But it's so crazy because these, like, Gen Z girlies, like, were fans of us, like, growing up.
[50:30]
Trisha Paytas
Crazy.
[50:30]
Joey Graceffa
Like, I remember Sabrina Carpenter came up to me at, like, an event when she was, like, on Boy Meets Girl, and she was like, her and Joey King came up and they're like, hi.
[50:38]
Trisha Paytas
We watch your videos, and Joey King.
[50:40]
Oscar
Crazy and Conan Gray loves you.
[50:43]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, right.
[50:44]
Oscar
Yeah.
[50:44]
Trisha Paytas
Wait, what did he say?
[50:45]
Joey Graceffa
Well, I, like, found his channel, like, back when he was, like, had, like, maybe 7,000 subscribers, and I, like, gave him a little shout out. And what did you say?
[50:56]
Trisha Paytas
You're just like, check out this person.
[50:57]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, I think it was for, like, my 3 million subscribers video. I was like, I'm gonna give back to the poor, the little gays. And I just, like, found, like, some small upcoming channels, and I was like, oh, my God, you guys should check them out.
[51:10]
Trisha Paytas
Does he remember that? Yeah, he said something.
[51:12]
Joey Graceffa
We've, like, chatted about it and whatnot.
[51:14]
Trisha Paytas
But that. That's so dope. It is kind of cool when people, like. I don't know if I had anyone that big ever, like, be like, love Trish. But that would be so cool.
[51:22]
Joey Graceffa
I'm sure there are little chapel.
[51:24]
Oscar
Yeah, a little chapel with Rachel Zegler in, like, a week.
[51:27]
Trisha Paytas
Me and Rachel. I remember her when she was, like, 14. I always say that I, like, loved her back. Really? I did a little tweet from her, like, her Hamilton cover back in, like, 2014. I was like, God, I love this girl. She's so talented. She has a queen and chapel is a queen. Yeah, it is pretty cool. It is cool when people are like, I love you for so long. Being around for so long, it's, like, wild, because I still feel young. Do you ever feel like you're still, like, in the young influencer world?
[51:47]
Joey Graceffa
Well, I feel like I'm still 28, mentally, or, like, that's what, like, my age just feels like.
[51:54]
Trisha Paytas
It just stopped. When did you break up with Daniel? 28.
[51:59]
Joey Graceffa
No. Wait, is It. Because they say, wait, was I 28?
[52:03]
Trisha Paytas
And you're 33 now?
[52:04]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[52:05]
Trisha Paytas
So five years ago.
[52:06]
Joey Graceffa
Whoa.
[52:07]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. That's crazy. They say, like, you.
[52:11]
Joey Graceffa
You're.
[52:11]
Trisha Paytas
You stuck stunt at the age. What is it that you. You're. You're stuck at? The age that you be. You break up with someone, become famous, but that's not why. I guess maybe that's the age where you just stop growing.
[52:22]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, okay.
[52:22]
Trisha Paytas
I don't know.
[52:24]
Joey Graceffa
Maybe that's when your brain stops developing at 20.
[52:27]
Trisha Paytas
Maybe when you become famous, but you're already famous, so I don't know. When did you. You started your channel? What, at 16?
[52:34]
Joey Graceffa
Then I was 15 and a half, so it's been, like, more than half my life.
[52:39]
Trisha Paytas
And what would you say is the age you popped off where you were like, okay, I'm pretty famous. People know who I am.
[52:44]
Joey Graceffa
I would say 2014 was the year.
[52:48]
Oscar
Is that the British era?
[52:49]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, the British era.
[52:50]
Oscar
I remember that vividly. But I remember even when you had your apartment with Britney. I think that's when I started watching when you had the Totoro wall behind you, the green wall.
[53:00]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, that was a really long time ago.
[53:02]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, I daily vlogged for five years, which is so insane.
[53:05]
Trisha Paytas
I loved your daily vlogs. I watched when you were with Sawyer at the Palazzo and you would get chicken from Whole Foods in the little brown box. I watched all the time. I was, like, so obsessed. Oh, yeah, No, I knew the eras for sure. Like I said, we really did watch. Even the strawberry 17. I remember Oscar there. Like, I remember it so. Like, I remember everyone so vividly. So it's like. Because I had literally no life, which is probably also why I hated everyone. I would have no life. I had nobody in my life, and so I would just, like, watch videos all day.
[53:33]
Joey Graceffa
You are. This is something that, like, I need to learn lessons from. You are a master manifester. Like, anything that you think of comes true, and it's so crazy. Like, please teach me your secrets.
[53:46]
Trisha Paytas
I think it's because I'm, like, so obsessed with a thought. Like, I see myself doing it. Do you ever have that where you're just like. For me, I'm just like, I was. As a kid, I was so obsessed with just being famous, and, like, I never had anything, so I was just like, I want to do this. And I think that's how I am to this day. This is gonna happen for me. This is gonna happen for me. I feel like I'm just, like, so obsessed with the thought that it has to come true.
[54:03]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my God.
[54:04]
Trisha Paytas
Right? I just feel like that's the only way. You just put a lot of energy.
[54:07]
Joey Graceffa
It's so true. Like the fake it till you make it. Like you believe it so much that it eventually has to come true.
[54:12]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, I feel like it's really. That's a really big thing. But you are too. I feel like you get like everything you dream of.
[54:19]
Joey Graceffa
Well, sort of things. More I could go for.
[54:24]
Trisha Paytas
Wait, really? What's your biggest. Like if you had a. If you had tomorrow, like a magic genie, what would your biggest wish be or dream? You have three, because it's a genie.
[54:31]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, three.
[54:32]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah.
[54:32]
Joey Graceffa
Okay. The man of my dreams making like a movie or TV show based off of, like, my own, like, visions of whatnot. And then to like, live in, like, the countryside, fields with, like, a bunch of animals and really just peace, world peace.
[54:51]
Trisha Paytas
Wait, what countryside? Like London or here in la.
[54:54]
Joey Graceffa
It could be Italy. It could be, like, just somewhere. I love England, but it's so, so rainy.
[55:02]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, it is sad. I was there for three days a week ago and I was like, this is sad.
[55:05]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my God. Yes.
[55:06]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, I was like, I was just sad.
[55:07]
Joey Graceffa
What? Were you there for Bridgerton?
[55:12]
Trisha Paytas
No, I wasn't on. Do you watch Bridgerton?
[55:14]
Joey Graceffa
I saw the first season.
[55:16]
Trisha Paytas
Only the first.
[55:17]
Oscar
We better watch season four.
[55:19]
Trisha Paytas
I'm on it.
[55:21]
Joey Graceffa
Shut up.
[55:22]
Trisha Paytas
No, I'm not. I wish.
[55:23]
Oscar
We're kind of lying until it happens, though.
[55:25]
Trisha Paytas
That manifesting.
[55:27]
Joey Graceffa
That is.
[55:27]
Trisha Paytas
It's all British people on that show, so I don't know if I have a channel.
[55:30]
Joey Graceffa
I love when I TikTok pops up and it's like you being in the Scream movie or something, and it's like these clips from your music videos or something, and it makes it look like you're actually in something because of Andrew.
[55:41]
Trisha Paytas
Valentine, makes his music videos look like they're a movie. That's why they're $300,000 period. I think he's too busy now. Well, we did do a music video. We had Pink Christmas because he kind of retired from music videos. But he's like, always do one from you. And I was like, I love him. I love him. We actually have a daughter the same age, so we have play dates all the time with him. Oh, stop.
[55:55]
Joey Graceffa
That's so sweet.
[55:56]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, we're actually, like, closer now than ever.
[55:57]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my God.
[55:58]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, we see him. We're trying to get him to move over here because they are such close in age and it's so cute and sweet, but we love him.
[56:04]
Joey Graceffa
I just need to see you in a movie.
[56:07]
Trisha Paytas
That's my ultimate goal with, like, you. I just, like, God, I just want to be in, like, a movie. You know what I mean? Because it's, like, to go to the theater and, like, see yourself would be so fun. Have you been in one? You have? Why do I think you had a cameo?
[56:17]
Joey Graceffa
I did have a cameo in the Space Between Us with Lele Pons.
[56:20]
Trisha Paytas
Wait, really? Was it in theaters?
[56:22]
Joey Graceffa
It was, yeah.
[56:24]
Trisha Paytas
How big of a role did you have? Were you talking?
[56:26]
Joey Graceffa
I was, like, just behind him when he was talking. I was like a little student at the desk.
[56:30]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, okay. That's kind of. But you never had a line. Were you in Wreck It Ralph?
[56:33]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, no.
[56:33]
Trisha Paytas
Who was that?
[56:34]
Oscar
Pokimane. Colleen.
[56:37]
Trisha Paytas
Was David Dobrik in it?
[56:40]
Oscar
Colleen was definitely in that one. I remember as Miranda sings, I want to say David.
[56:43]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, Angry Birds, maybe. David. You never did a voiceover for anything?
[56:45]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[56:46]
Trisha Paytas
Really? I'm surprised. Was it Fall Guy? Everyone was in that one too.
[56:49]
Oscar
Pokemon was in that one. Yeah.
[56:50]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, yeah. With Ryan Reynolds. I just feel like you are that YouTuber that people would go to, especially.
[56:53]
Oscar
Back then, like, with, like, the Hunger Games era. I remember when you interviewed, like, Jennifer Lawrence and stuff.
[56:59]
Joey Graceffa
And Taylor Swift.
[57:00]
Oscar
Taylor Swift.
[57:00]
Joey Graceffa
That was traumatizing because I was such a huge fan of the Hunger Games and, like, literally would make music videos. I had, like, a band tribute.
[57:10]
Trisha Paytas
It's my favorite.
[57:12]
Joey Graceffa
Here's. I'll start with the positive, and then I'll go into the negative. So I did my first junket roundtable interview. Like, I worked for this company called teen.com and they would send me to go interview celebrities when a movie would come out. So when Hunger Games launched, I got to go interview, like, the whole cast.
[57:29]
Trisha Paytas
The first movie, yes.
[57:31]
Joey Graceffa
They came in, and it was like, the tributes that came in. So it was like, Ru Clothes, Foxface. They came in and Ru was like, oh, my God, I love your music video. And I was like, I'm so famous. So that was great. Like, they lived for me. But then for the final movie, Lionsgate asked me to come in and interview the main three. Jennifer. Who are the other ones?
[58:01]
Oscar
Liam Henson Hutcherson.
[58:03]
Trisha Paytas
You really not remember? They love Hunger Games. How did you forget?
[58:06]
Joey Graceffa
I forget their names.
[58:07]
Trisha Paytas
That's crazy. For being such a fan.
[58:09]
Joey Graceffa
Nopeta, Gail and Katniss. I know us, but the actor's name.
[58:13]
Trisha Paytas
I feel like when you're a fan, you know, I can tell you the drummer. I'm the original drummer of My Chemical Romance. You know what I mean? Just passed away, but you know what I mean?
[58:19]
Joey Graceffa
These lights, they're just so overwhelming.
[58:21]
Trisha Paytas
That was wild. I don't even like Hunger Games. I know it. Liam Hemsworth and who's the other one?
[58:26]
Joey Graceffa
Yes. Okay, so they were like, we're gonna have you do a game. It's two truths and a lie. And so I. I'm sure they had, like, so many interviews that day. You go to this, like, Four Seasons. They're set up in chairs, and they swap out the host to interview. And so it's my turn. I walk in. I'm so nervous. Like, I'm meeting my, like, idols here. And so I introduce myself and immediately can tell the vibes are off with, like, Jennifer. Like, she, like, barely's looking at me. And so I do my intro, and I don't even know if this ever got posted, but I go in and I'm, like, explaining the rules of two truths and a lie, and she's just not into it at all.
[59:11]
Trisha Paytas
Is she looking down or what? What's happening?
[59:13]
Joey Graceffa
No, she was basically just ignoring me. And so it was just her and either Liam or Josh, I don't remember. One of them was nice and was, like, engaging with me, but they full on, just, like, started having a conversation.
[59:27]
Trisha Paytas
While you're talking.
[59:29]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, Very lively. Oh, no. I'm just sat there like this little. I feel like a little child, like, seeing my favorite actors in front of me. How am I supposed to take control of these people and engage with me when I'm such big fans of them? So I'm trying to take control of the conversation. And it was just so. I just kept sinking lower and lower in my seat, just trying to get them to play this game that Lionsgate brought me to play with them.
[59:59]
Trisha Paytas
That's what you should remind people is especially them. Lionsgate brought me here, okay?
[60:03]
Joey Graceffa
I'm not here on my own.
[60:04]
Trisha Paytas
I hate when people are like that. It's like, I'm paid to be here. You know what I mean? I don't know what to tell you.
[60:08]
Joey Graceffa
But I was such a big fan, so I just, like, I couldn't even think that way because I was just in awe of them. And so I was just so nervous, and I didn't know what to do. And they did not make it any easier for me.
[60:21]
Trisha Paytas
Did you end up playing the game?
[60:23]
Joey Graceffa
Barely. I think we played one round and they didn't fully understand how it went. Cause they weren't paying attention, and so.
[60:30]
Trisha Paytas
They didn't listen to the rules.
[60:32]
Joey Graceffa
I left It. And I was like. Like, I'm not posting that. Like, I just want to crawl up a die.
[60:36]
Trisha Paytas
You told the Teen.com people that, oh, this is Lionsgate.
[60:40]
Joey Graceffa
This was Lionsgate years later.
[60:41]
Trisha Paytas
Where were they gonna put it? Like, on social. Because they had TikTok back then, right?
[60:44]
Joey Graceffa
No, it was like a Twitter social thing.
[60:46]
Trisha Paytas
And they wanted.
[60:47]
Joey Graceffa
They wanted me to post it. I think they sent me home with the flash drive, and I just never.
[60:51]
Trisha Paytas
Can we please have that footage? Can we air it right now?
[60:54]
Joey Graceffa
I don't. I don't have it.
[60:55]
Trisha Paytas
You don't have it?
[60:56]
Joey Graceffa
No, I probably, like, burned it.
[60:57]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, no. That sucks.
[60:59]
Joey Graceffa
Maybe it exists online. Cause there was one where I did with Selena Gomez, which. I know you love her.
[61:04]
Trisha Paytas
Yes, we live for Selena Gomez.
[61:06]
Joey Graceffa
I did an interview with her, too.
[61:07]
Trisha Paytas
Was she nice?
[61:07]
Joey Graceffa
My very first. No. So, damn. She was also kind of gave me a little attitude when I asked her a question that Teen gave me the question to ask.
[61:17]
Trisha Paytas
That's so weird.
[61:18]
Joey Graceffa
But they edited it to make it look like she was so sweet about answering my question.
[61:23]
Trisha Paytas
Really? They gave her a good edit?
[61:24]
Joey Graceffa
They gave her a good edit.
[61:25]
Oscar
What was the question?
[61:26]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, it was. It was like, do you feel like you've changed as a person since, like, becoming famous or something? And she was, like, really upset that I asked her that. She's like, no, I would never change. Like, I was like, oh, my God. Okay, girl. It was just, like, a little innocent question. What?
[61:47]
Trisha Paytas
How old were you?
[61:48]
Joey Graceffa
I had to have been, like, 19 or 20.
[61:50]
Trisha Paytas
And then. How old is she? Is she, like, around your age? Is she the same age?
[61:53]
Oscar
My age? So probably, like, two. What, a year or two years younger?
[61:56]
Joey Graceffa
I don't know.
[61:57]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, that's so interesting. That's so weird.
[61:59]
Oscar
She's a little mentally ill, too, so you never know.
[62:01]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, that's true, I guess when you're, like, mentally unwell. Well, you. That's why you don't want to have a podcast. You're, like, scarred from these people.
[62:08]
Joey Graceffa
No, but I've had great ones. Taylor Swift, the sweetest.
[62:11]
Oscar
I love that.
[62:12]
Joey Graceffa
Love her.
[62:13]
Trisha Paytas
Where did you interview her?
[62:14]
Joey Graceffa
She was in the movie the Lorax. Oh, yeah, Yeah, I interviewed him too.
[62:20]
Trisha Paytas
Was he great?
[62:21]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, he was.
[62:22]
Trisha Paytas
Okay, that's great. But Taylor was, like, beyond sweet.
[62:27]
Joey Graceffa
So sweet. I was so nervous, and we were, like, sat across from each other. They were resetting the cameras. She had to have a space heater on her because she couldn't be too cold.
[62:34]
Trisha Paytas
Love that.
[62:37]
Joey Graceffa
So nervous. It took them, like, a couple minutes, and she Started asking me questions about me, and just, like, I was like, oh, my God, wait. She, like, is genuinely connecting with me. A conversation, like, wants to know about me. Like, she wasn't, like, faking it, so.
[62:50]
Trisha Paytas
I love to hear that about Taylor.
[62:52]
Joey Graceffa
That's her.
[62:53]
Trisha Paytas
So that was your best interview, you think?
[62:54]
Joey Graceffa
I think so.
[62:55]
Trisha Paytas
I mean, it's very hard to do that at any age, but especially that age with, like, no training.
[62:59]
Joey Graceffa
19, 20. They just threw me in. Like, Rachel McAdams was also so sweet. Love her.
[63:04]
Trisha Paytas
What'd you interview her for?
[63:05]
Joey Graceffa
The Vow with Channing Tatum.
[63:08]
Trisha Paytas
So are you hired by different companies, like, Teen.com or.
[63:11]
Joey Graceffa
No, it's just Teen.com at that time.
[63:13]
Trisha Paytas
Are they still around?
[63:14]
Joey Graceffa
No, they just went. You know, they're no longer. To me, adult dot com.
[63:22]
Trisha Paytas
That's a whole different thing. Would you do that kind of stuff now?
[63:26]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[63:27]
Trisha Paytas
Really?
[63:27]
Joey Graceffa
Never.
[63:28]
Trisha Paytas
Why?
[63:29]
Joey Graceffa
Because I, like, I get so nervous.
[63:31]
Trisha Paytas
Because you're. You're a fanboy. Like, I'm a fan girl of so many things. Like, I would. I'm still dreaming of the day I get to interview people. Like, celebrities. That would be, like, my biggest.
[63:38]
Joey Graceffa
That's. You're so good at. I get so nervous, and, like, I. I can't even, like, think.
[63:43]
Trisha Paytas
I think, like, a really big, like, a lister. I'd be nervous. Like, for sure. Even, like, a B lister, I'd probably be nervous. Like, I actually don't know if I could do it, which is probably why it hasn't happened yet. But, like, those celebrities are huge. Like, I would cry if Jennifer Lawrence just started talking. I would be like, I actually don't know what I would do.
[63:58]
Joey Graceffa
You would be able to pull it out.
[63:59]
Trisha Paytas
I don't think so. Maybe I would snap, you know, because I'm the opposite. I'm, like, scared how I would handle it. I'd be like, I don't know. I don't know. Either I would cry or I would snap one of the two or just leave. I'd just like, you know what? I'm just gonna exit. Brutal. Especially Hunger Games because you're such a fan, so. But it didn't stop you from auditioning for Hunger Games too.
[64:17]
Joey Graceffa
I did not audition. This is a false.
[64:19]
Trisha Paytas
I did audition.
[64:20]
Joey Graceffa
This is so false.
[64:21]
Trisha Paytas
I saw casting tape.
[64:22]
Joey Graceffa
People genuinely think that I auditioned for Finnick.
[64:25]
Trisha Paytas
But you did, kind of. You were putting it out to the world.
[64:28]
Joey Graceffa
Okay. Yeah.
[64:29]
Trisha Paytas
You made an audition tape.
[64:31]
Joey Graceffa
I was definitely pushing for that role.
[64:33]
Trisha Paytas
But in Hope Some, and I love it. I'm still like that, too. Put it out there. Maybe they'll see it.
[64:38]
Joey Graceffa
There used to be, like, the fan casting where there used to be, like, voting on websites of like, who do you want to play Finnick? And I was daily vlogging, so I was like, you guys should go vote for me.
[64:46]
Trisha Paytas
And did it work?
[64:47]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[64:47]
Trisha Paytas
You were like, number one.
[64:48]
Joey Graceffa
I was number one, yeah.
[64:50]
Oscar
He never heard anything about it from, like, Lionsgate or anything.
[64:53]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, but then for teen.com also, my friend Stacy was a producer there and she was like, we're gonna do a audition tape for Finnick. And so you did. But it was a joke.
[65:06]
Trisha Paytas
But it wasn't. You wanted to be finished.
[65:09]
Joey Graceffa
No, because she was trolling me behind the camera. She was like, can you eat these sugar cubes while saying your line? So it was like, so dumb and stupid.
[65:15]
Trisha Paytas
What were the sugar cubes the representative of? Like, what was it supposed to be?
[65:18]
Joey Graceffa
So he. There's like a scene where he's giving a horse a sugar cube in the books.
[65:25]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, does he eat them?
[65:26]
Joey Graceffa
I think so. He like pops one in.
[65:28]
Oscar
Yeah.
[65:29]
Trisha Paytas
And you did it?
[65:30]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[65:30]
Trisha Paytas
I want to see that footage.
[65:31]
Joey Graceffa
She was like, more. You need more sugar in your mouth. So I had like five sugar cubes in my mouth doing the audition.
[65:37]
Trisha Paytas
You would have been a really good Finnick because, like, no shade to the person who played him, but, like, not memorable. And yours was memorable in my head.
[65:43]
Joey Graceffa
Thank you. But Sam Coughlin is so fine.
[65:46]
Trisha Paytas
Is he famous? Yes.
[65:47]
Joey Graceffa
But he did. He got new teeth and I don't love him.
[65:49]
Oscar
I did get veneers. Yeah.
[65:51]
Trisha Paytas
The veneers kind of do ruin it. And it's not just because I'm jealous. It's like, truly, I don't know if.
[65:54]
Joey Graceffa
I love a veneer. I get so upset when people were with nice teeth, get veneers. I'm like, why? Like, for what reason?
[66:01]
Trisha Paytas
I know. Just cuz everyone has them. And now you look like it's like, me too. I have like little teeth. And like next to someone who has like veneers, you're just like, damn. You know, like, Tana's got beautiful veneers. So every time I'm next to her, I feel like I have these like, little chicks.
[66:10]
Joey Graceffa
Except for one pops out.
[66:13]
Trisha Paytas
Which she monetizes. And I'm like, yeah, that is. Are yours real? Yeah, yours are nice. Yours are nice and big.
[66:19]
Joey Graceffa
Thank you.
[66:20]
Trisha Paytas
So he got it post Finnic, his veneers.
[66:22]
Oscar
Yeah.
[66:23]
Joey Graceffa
And he looks so different now.
[66:25]
Oscar
Yeah, he's lost a lot of weight too. He's very skinny.
[66:27]
Trisha Paytas
What's he do. What's he in?
[66:29]
Oscar
He was in Daisy Jones and the Six.
[66:30]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, really?
[66:31]
Oscar
Yeah.
[66:32]
Trisha Paytas
Who is he in that?
[66:34]
Oscar
Yeah, the main guy.
[66:36]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, that's so interesting. I have to watch it. Okay. Maybe the next 100 games. Maybe you could audition for.
[66:41]
Joey Graceffa
I would love. I would love.
[66:42]
Trisha Paytas
There's a young. Who is it? Young? Who's the young one?
[66:45]
Joey Graceffa
They're doing Haymitch's game, so I would just be happy to be one of the tributes.
[66:49]
Trisha Paytas
I would, too. Is there any old people in the Hunger. I guess at the Capitol. Can I be in the Hunger Games? Who was the lady with the gray hair? That was my mom. Was. What was her name?
[66:57]
Oscar
She was Mags.
[66:59]
Trisha Paytas
Mags.
[66:59]
Oscar
Yeah.
[66:59]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. Which would have been. She was actually excited you were gonna be Finnick because that you were in New York. But I was like, joey's gonna be Finnick. And then she, like, looked up there like, you know, lore in the story. And I was like, oh. She gets carried by him and say, oh, my God, maybe Joey can do that with me. And I was like, yeah, that would have been so cute.
[67:13]
Oscar
She kept asking me why I was never in any of the the Tributes videos. And our. Our reasoning was I was two plus size at the time. But I don't even think.
[67:21]
Joey Graceffa
Wait, you weren't around, though.
[67:22]
Oscar
I don't think so. Because I think it was maybe a year. I became an intern for strawberry 17, maybe a year after.
[67:28]
Trisha Paytas
No, I think you were definitely around the same time. Because I remember watching you and watching that at the same time. You had to have been around.
[67:33]
Joey Graceffa
I don't think so. I don't know.
[67:35]
Trisha Paytas
Really?
[67:35]
Oscar
No, because I remember. No, because you weren't in the tree house yet. Yeah, it was like a year. Maybe a short time, but like a year or something.
[67:45]
Trisha Paytas
But there was a couple Trips Beats music videos you could have been in. You had a few, right? It wasn't just the arena. Didn't you have another one?
[67:50]
Joey Graceffa
The arena was the only one with extras. We had one that was like, well.
[67:53]
Oscar
I could have been in tribute.
[67:55]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. Is there no fan tribute? Nothing? You know, me too. Is there? No, they're like, no, they should not Hunger Games.
[68:05]
Joey Graceffa
They were starving. They had no food.
[68:09]
Trisha Paytas
Wait, really?
[68:10]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[68:10]
Trisha Paytas
That's so Tea.
[68:11]
Joey Graceffa
Actually, the only people that would be larger would be if they were capital.
[68:15]
Trisha Paytas
People, but they got to eat that special pill that made them skinny. I love that. And that. I mean, not love that, but I was like. I thought that was interesting. There was no fat people in the capital. I mean, they could eat all this food. And no one's fat either.
[68:25]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, because they were throwing up.
[68:26]
Oscar
Do you remember us hiding from you when. When we were interns, by the way, like, in the house. We also talk about that there was.
[68:34]
Joey Graceffa
Like, a title that said hiding in Jodi Graceffa's house.
[68:38]
Trisha Paytas
Did we title that?
[68:39]
Joey Graceffa
Was that you or you? Because I hid in your house once months.
[68:42]
Trisha Paytas
You hid in my house?
[68:43]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[68:44]
Trisha Paytas
Wait, why? Wait, what? Why were you hiding?
[68:49]
Joey Graceffa
We were, like, scaring someone.
[68:52]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, this is, like.
[68:53]
Joey Graceffa
You're scary.
[68:54]
Trisha Paytas
For, like, two months. I'm like, I'm out. Because it was, like, this huge, like, undecorated, like, house that was just so scary. And I rented. It was, like, 20,000.
[69:00]
Joey Graceffa
So many floors.
[69:01]
Trisha Paytas
Wait, and you hid? Who were you trying to scare? Was it me?
[69:04]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. No, I think you were part of it. And we, like, we scared Shane or.
[69:08]
Trisha Paytas
Daniel or Drew, maybe.
[69:09]
Joey Graceffa
Maybe.
[69:10]
Trisha Paytas
And you were just like. And did you end up scaring? Did you do a successful scare? I wonder who it was.
[69:15]
Joey Graceffa
I think it's in a vlog somewhere. But you, like, led them into your bedroom, and, like, we all hid in your bedroom and, like, jumped out.
[69:21]
Oscar
Wait, David Dobrik over there.
[69:23]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, my God. That's, like, my biggest fear in the world is someone, like, hiding in my room and, like, scaring me. Yeah.
[69:30]
Joey Graceffa
You said you had someone that, like, literally.
[69:34]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, no, I have. That house had so many intruders. Like, I had a lot of intruders. Because the way.
[69:39]
Joey Graceffa
The way she casually talks about this, she's, like, sleeping, and someone just was over my head.
[69:44]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, yeah. This house. And it's like, that's why I, like, left early. I was just like, they prepaid it six months in advance. I'm leaving early. This is the only time I've ever called 911. Was at this house. And, like, each time you call 911, it takes, like, literally an hour for people to get here because we're up in the hills on Mulholland Drive. Never, ever live in the hills because cops will take so long.
[70:00]
Joey Graceffa
Did you talk about that story about how someone was literally standing over you?
[70:03]
Trisha Paytas
I think I've talked about it in the past.
[70:05]
Joey Graceffa
So scary.
[70:05]
Trisha Paytas
I think at the time I was, like, really scared, so I didn't. And I never want to give people ideas, but it was because I lived alone, and there was multiple entrances to the house. There was, like, a side stairs all the way down, so it was, like, six stories, but it was, like, stairs all the way down. And then there was these little old crickety doors. You could just, like, pop open easily. And it happened, I would say, three times, like, too frequently. And then I remember I called the cops, and the cops were at my door, and I didn't want to open the door because I thought it was, like, fake cops, cops. And they're like, you called us. And I was like, but I don't know if these are real cops. Like, I don't want to open them. Yeah. I was so scared. And then the cops would come with, like, flashlights and the thing, and I'd just be terrified. It was. That was the most, like, stressful. Yeah. I just. Another reason why I'm so happy. I'm married. I have, like, a security system. I have everything built in one. Because living alone anymore, I would like. You have dogs, which is, like, smart, because they, like, work and stuff. You'll know. But living alone was the scariest. I think, at that time, too. I was just like. Like a weird time. I don't know. The houses in the hills, you know, are just notoriously known for. I had no gate. I had nothing. You know what I mean? So it was scary. And maybe that's why I don't like people jumping out. That's why I was like, did I get scared?
[71:06]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[71:06]
Trisha Paytas
We must have been the person scaring somebody. That's. I think that's the first time I met you was at that house.
[71:12]
Joey Graceffa
Yes, it was.
[71:13]
Trisha Paytas
I remember being so nervous, too. I think you had a letterman's jacket on when he came over.
[71:17]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, probably.
[71:17]
Trisha Paytas
And I thought that was so cool.
[71:19]
Joey Graceffa
Such a jock.
[71:20]
Trisha Paytas
I was so nervous, like, just hanging out. It was fun, though. I loved being in that group because I loved being like. I was such a pick me. I was, like, the only girl. So I was like, this is so fun.
[71:27]
Joey Graceffa
We've had so much fun. It was fun until it got dark, right? Yeah.
[71:31]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. I feel like with you, when we would all hang out, like, all five of us, like Drew and Shane and you and Daniel, I feel like it wasn't too bad.
[71:39]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[71:39]
Trisha Paytas
Maybe it's like when he hung out individually with people. I think when it was like, me and him is when we would talk the most person. But, you know, you always. This is what I would, like, come to terms with after our friendship is like, when I found out he's talking about me. I'm like, well. Well, that makes sense. If you're talking about everyone. Probably talking about you, too, for sure. And I don't like that anymore either, because I just think it's, I don't know, bad Karma. Yeah. Even here, Even when we're, like, being cutesy shady, I'm always like, with you. I was like, let me just tell Joey I don't, like, mean any of it, you know, I just, like, escape the night, you know? Like, I don't. I care, but not that much. No, I hold on to a little bit, but it really is like a jealousy thing. I was so. Because that's so up my alley to do like a cosplay.
[72:14]
Joey Graceffa
I know, themed show. It's gonna happen, but it'll be bigger and better when you're actually on it.
[72:18]
Trisha Paytas
What do you think would be the. Cause you did 80s for this?
[72:22]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, for the movie. Extra episode.
[72:25]
Trisha Paytas
So what do you think would be like your big one?
[72:27]
Joey Graceffa
I would love to do, like a liminal space in the 90s where it's like back rooms and like, kind of like Chuck E. Cheese vibes. I think would be fun.
[72:35]
Trisha Paytas
Five minutes at Freddy.
[72:36]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. I would love to do 1950s in a neighborhood.
[72:41]
Trisha Paytas
In a neighborhood?
[72:43]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, Like.
[72:44]
Trisha Paytas
Like a house.
[72:44]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, you know, like Desperate Housewives. Like that neighborhood.
[72:47]
Trisha Paytas
Universal. That'd be so fun. Oh, my God.
[72:49]
Joey Graceffa
So cute. But 1950s, you could be like a housewife.
[72:53]
Trisha Paytas
Yes, I would love. Oh, my God, that'd be so much fun. You should do the alien one because it's so relevant now. Like, there's aliens amongst us.
[72:59]
Joey Graceffa
Alien?
[73:00]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. You never. You haven't heard about this? Coming up in the water. That's all we talk about. Are not topics.
[73:03]
Joey Graceffa
Wait, the aliens?
[73:04]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, the aliens are here. So, like, I feel like if you did escape the night, doing an alien invasion is very relevant and realistic.
[73:12]
Joey Graceffa
I love that.
[73:13]
Trisha Paytas
Absolutely. You believe in the aliens?
[73:14]
Joey Graceffa
I do.
[73:15]
Trisha Paytas
Have you ever felt the presence of one?
[73:18]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[73:19]
Trisha Paytas
You wish.
[73:20]
Joey Graceffa
But yeah, I wish. I'm ready to be probed.
[73:23]
Trisha Paytas
You want to be probed?
[73:24]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[73:25]
Trisha Paytas
Like, is that what it probed means? Aliens would be crazy at probing. Is that what they do? Right? I guess that's what they're known for.
[73:34]
Joey Graceffa
I had a crazy dream once that I fell in love with an alien and he destroyed the world. But because I fell in love with him, he took me with him. How romantic is that?
[73:43]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, that's. Wait, a dream or did you just think about this sometimes?
[73:45]
Joey Graceffa
It was a dream. It was.
[73:47]
Trisha Paytas
So were you sad he woke up?
[73:49]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. You ever seen the movie?
[73:51]
Trisha Paytas
It's very Earth Girls are Easy. Have you seen that movie? Jeff Goldblum and Jim Carrey are aliens and I think Damon Wayans and it's the same thing. Gina Davis falls in love with Jeff Goldblum as an alien, and he takes her back to space with him. I think they do destroy the world here. It's like in la and they destroy la. It's kind of good every. It's like back in the 80s. You should watch it because Escape the Night was in the 80s. So you were based off Marty McFly. Were there other, like, movie characters?
[74:12]
Joey Graceffa
I think it was just, like, the classic, like, 80s.
[74:15]
Trisha Paytas
Like, there was no, like, 80s pop star like Tiffany.
[74:18]
Joey Graceffa
There was. Oh, yeah. Who was that?
[74:21]
Trisha Paytas
Who played that role? I'll ask Hannah today. So tell me.
[74:24]
Joey Graceffa
No, I think I knew.
[74:26]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, you know how I think I knew? I think one of my makeup artists was asked to do the makeup, and then he never heard back. I think his name, Louis, was asked.
[74:31]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, okay.
[74:32]
Trisha Paytas
And he was like, I was supposed to do it, and then never heard back. And I was like, oh, okay. But I think he knew, like, some of the names on it. Maybe that's how I heard. I don't know. I just know a lot of lore about this movie. Escape the Night.
[74:40]
Joey Graceffa
I love that.
[74:41]
Trisha Paytas
And when's it coming out?
[74:42]
Joey Graceffa
I think in the spring. Okay, so, yeah, it's being edited right now.
[74:46]
Trisha Paytas
Final episode on your channel.
[74:47]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, well, I don't know yet. We'll see.
[74:49]
Trisha Paytas
Shopping it around. Like Casey Neistat with the documentary.
[74:52]
Joey Graceffa
Yes, exactly. Just like that.
[74:55]
Oscar
Couldn't you ask David Dobrik to do Escape the Night?
[74:57]
Joey Graceffa
Immediate rejection from David. Yeah, like this second meet.
[75:01]
Trisha Paytas
Immediate.
[75:02]
Joey Graceffa
Like the second we sent the offer. No.
[75:04]
Trisha Paytas
Did he respond himself?
[75:05]
Joey Graceffa
I think it was his agent, but I got. I got her. And I was like, really? I'm never acknowledging your presence ever.
[75:11]
Trisha Paytas
That's a wild one, David. What year is that, you think that was?
[75:14]
Joey Graceffa
Probably for season three. So, like, 2018 maybe, or 17.
[75:19]
Trisha Paytas
That's interesting. Have you ever had any other rejections that you were like, damn?
[75:23]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, there was, like, so many.
[75:25]
Trisha Paytas
Like, what's the one that hurt or not hurt, but that you were sad about, maybe?
[75:28]
Joey Graceffa
I mean, I always wanted Jenna Marbles, but she.
[75:30]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, yeah.
[75:31]
Joey Graceffa
That's like, not her vibe.
[75:32]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah.
[75:34]
Joey Graceffa
Who else did you try?
[75:36]
Oscar
Emma Chamberlain or. No, I remember. Oh, yeah, that was one. Because I remember I kept pitching, like, names for collabs or whatever, and you kept being like, they turned out Escape the Night, like, because I was dating. It was Emma. Who else around that time? Maybe the Dolan twin or something. I don't know. I don't remember.
[75:51]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, so there was quite a few people said no.
[75:52]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. Even this time, like, asking people to be in the movie it's probably so.
[75:57]
Trisha Paytas
Different because it's not like YouTube Red backed. Right. Don't you think? Maybe if there's not the budget.
[76:03]
Joey Graceffa
No, for sure. I mean, this was like just like getting my friends to be a part of it. Like, the pay was nothing great. It was like.
[76:09]
Trisha Paytas
But in the original the pay was better.
[76:12]
Joey Graceffa
It was fine. I don't think it was anything great.
[76:14]
Trisha Paytas
Can you say it? I'll bleep it out. I just really want to know. I promise I'll BLEEP it out.
[76:18]
Joey Graceffa
I honestly don't remember. I would say it was like, maybe I could be making this up.
[76:23]
Trisha Paytas
I think maybe for how many days of filming?
[76:26]
Joey Graceffa
Up to five days.
[76:28]
Trisha Paytas
I mean, that's not bad.
[76:29]
Joey Graceffa
And then there was like a bonus if they, like posted about it.
[76:32]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, really? Oh, so they didn't have to. There was no social post required. Okay. That's not bad. I always wonder because when they were talking about pay and everything, I wonder how much I got paid to be here.
[76:40]
Joey Graceffa
No, it really wasn't much. It was more just like to be in. Yeah, yeah.
[76:44]
Trisha Paytas
Which is what it was back in the day. People collabing beyond stuff. Yeah.
[76:47]
Oscar
And do you regret the drama that Daniel started with Safiya Nygaard after one of the seasons, though? Because I. That was the one time I was like, sister, a little too much. Not too much on Sofia, because I love Sofia.
[76:58]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, he came for Sophia.
[76:59]
Joey Graceffa
He came for Sofia. I feel so bad because she was one that, like, it took her a long time to warm up and, like, feel comfortable. And I think she didn't really have any YouTuber friends at that time. And so she. By the time she got killed, she did not see it coming. And it was like she went into like a state of shock. Like she. They came in and killed her. And I went to go give her a hug and her arms were just like by her side and she just like went limp.
[77:26]
Trisha Paytas
Aww.
[77:27]
Joey Graceffa
And I just like, remember being like, oh, my God. She's like, she's somewhere else right now.
[77:31]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, no.
[77:32]
Joey Graceffa
And so I think she got really hurt by the experience of being killed off without, like, mentally preparing. And she, like, was just opening up to people.
[77:42]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah.
[77:43]
Joey Graceffa
But then the next day she came to set and she was like, like in better spirits, but I think she, like, shocked her. But she didn't promote the show at all afterwards, really.
[77:53]
Trisha Paytas
So it probably was like a traumatic experience.
[77:54]
Joey Graceffa
I think she was a little hurt by it.
[77:57]
Trisha Paytas
Did you have, like, any, like, therapists on standby? No, because I Feel it's. Big Brother had that, like, they had the therapist, like, right when you got out to be like, here, talk to this person. Because it is, like, a shocking thing. I mean, even if it's like, a little something like that, it's probably just like. Especially if you're not used to it. It's like, holy. Then you're just, like, gone. And did you guys. Guys, like, traitors. They just murder someone, and then, like, you don't see it. They just get, like, a little note. Were you, like, recreating, like, reenacting the, like, kill there?
[78:22]
Joey Graceffa
It would be, like, a moment where we'd, like, pause and be like, okay, so you die. If we're gonna, like, now repo the cameras to, like, have you be stabbed or something.
[78:31]
Trisha Paytas
Oh. So no one just came out of the blue and just started with her.
[78:34]
Joey Graceffa
It kind of was a little bit of a shock.
[78:36]
Trisha Paytas
I would actually be dropping.
[78:38]
Joey Graceffa
What. What? The twist was Manny and Nikita went into a challenge, so we thought it was between the two of them that were gonna. One was gonna come back. But there was a twist. Whoever chose Nikita to go into the challenge was. And Nikita won, got killed. So the bad guy came into our lounge, where we were allegedly safe, and came and, I mean, the director came in and was like, all right, he's coming to kill you.
[79:07]
Oscar
My poor sister. My poor Sophia.
[79:10]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, I love that she had noticed. I thought, like, literally, someone just came in and started killing. I'd be like, that would be crazy.
[79:15]
Joey Graceffa
She didn't, but she didn't. I don't know. It was kind of, like, thrown on her, like, it's happening now as opposed.
[79:21]
Oscar
To fighting for life.
[79:23]
Trisha Paytas
Damn, that sounds like a traumatic show. Actually, no, but ptsd, Yeah.
[79:27]
Joey Graceffa
I think Daniel was just being protective of the show and just wanted.
[79:29]
Trisha Paytas
What did he say?
[79:30]
Joey Graceffa
I think he just said, like, she didn't promote it. And yeah, he was very.
[79:35]
Trisha Paytas
That's what I'm saying. A little sass king over here. I think he takes things more personally than you do.
[79:38]
Joey Graceffa
No, he definitely does, which is awesome.
[79:40]
Trisha Paytas
I mean, I relate.
[79:41]
Joey Graceffa
I take things personally, but I'm not one to vocalize it publicly. And he would just, like, instantly, like, be up to defense.
[79:48]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. Which is. I get it. That's like, with the Christmas party, he's like, some people brought gifts over 50. And I was like, that makes your party better.
[79:56]
Joey Graceffa
Did you. You brought the iPad?
[79:58]
Trisha Paytas
I brought the iPad In Balenciaga sweatshirt.
[80:00]
Joey Graceffa
Iconic.
[80:01]
Trisha Paytas
Better than any of the other gifts being. What was it like, someone had, like, brought sushi or something. I was like, I don't want that sushi. Yeah. Or was it someone else's Christmas party? Am I mixing it up? No. There was crazy gifts there. I thought I like, made the party. No.
[80:13]
Joey Graceffa
That was so fun.
[80:15]
Trisha Paytas
The Christmas party with the iPad.
[80:17]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[80:17]
Trisha Paytas
I loved it. And I got disinvited this year because Daniel said I broke the rules and I can't be invited. He's like, some people don't know how to play this game. I was like, oh, my God. Okay. Isn't that serious? I'm so sad about the Christmas party.
[80:30]
Joey Graceffa
About you not being invited back.
[80:32]
Trisha Paytas
I was 2019. I definitely was out of my mind. So I definitely. Probably didn't care. But I was like, definitely on some methods.
[80:37]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, I'm sure it was the time.
[80:39]
Oscar
But I. I definitely remember there was drama videos around it though.
[80:42]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[80:43]
Oscar
And then also something with you and Laura Lee too. Yeah. Cuz Laura put it in her inner giveaway and then you.
[80:51]
Joey Graceffa
Yes, it's all coming back to me.
[80:53]
Oscar
It's coming back.
[80:54]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[80:55]
Trisha Paytas
I forget too sometimes. Like the lore of it. You're right. That's what it was. And I was so angry. I was in my angry era. I was so mad.
[81:02]
Joey Graceffa
Oh my God.
[81:03]
Trisha Paytas
Oh my God. It probably wasn't that big of a deal. I've apologized through this podcast to them.
[81:08]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, okay.
[81:08]
Trisha Paytas
Being a little dramatic, you know? Yeah, yeah.
[81:11]
Joey Graceffa
Now it's just you.
[81:12]
Oscar
Yeah, yeah.
[81:13]
Trisha Paytas
That was just. That's what I thought. Trash. I always thought that I was like, you know what? This is just me. People have to deal with this. But not the case. Probably should get some help. If you are angry and causing ruckus in people's lives, it really is crazy. I know. Like thinking about that. Oh, we didn't talk about your witchness, your spell.
[81:31]
Joey Graceffa
Oh my God.
[81:32]
Trisha Paytas
So actually it's so funny because you were my first introduction to crystals.
[81:35]
Joey Graceffa
We did a collab. Right?
[81:36]
Trisha Paytas
We did a collab. And it was actually so sweet. You bought me like a really fancy crystal at the end. You like, gifted it to me. And I remember thinking like, that was the sweetest thing. We went to the store in. Is it Silver Lake or Eagle Rock?
[81:46]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, I think Eagle Rock.
[81:48]
Trisha Paytas
There was one like, in like East LA we went to. And it was like really small.
[81:53]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[81:53]
Trisha Paytas
Do you remember that one? I don't remember.
[81:54]
Joey Graceffa
Spellbound Sky.
[81:55]
Trisha Paytas
Yes, that sounds very familiar. And we went. And I was. I wasn't really like into crystals that much back then, but I love crystals. I love healing and I love Wiccan. Like There was definitely lots of errors. Even as a kid, I was definitely thought I was a witch. I had a witch era again in 2021. Like, I love just natural elements and making spells. Like, I do spells all the time. Like, I love it. I work a lot with, like, smoke, and I work a lot with water, and I have, like, water spell books. Like, I have. I love, like, natural element spell spells. Okay, so when you came down, you sat here and you said something that you casted a spell on yourself to be on time.
[82:24]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my God. Okay. So I went to this wellness retreat thing in, like, Napa Valley. It's called the Hoffman Process. And basically, it, like, detaches you from the patterns that you subconsciously learn from your parents. And there was something in there. They tell you not to talk about the process because there's a lot that happens that you kind of need to experience without knowing. But there's something in there that honestly felt like magic. There's something where you. You think about something you want to change in your life, and you do this thing with your hands where you, like, make them, like, almost like, friction and warm in something, and you start, like, radiating energy there. And then you imagine something in between your hands, and some, like, image will just pop in. And for some reason, like, the class, like, used me as an example. And so they're like, what do you see? And I was like, a gumball or something. And so they're like, okay, smack your hands together and, like, get rid of that gumball while you're thinking of something that you want to change. And so I was like, I'll just get rid of being late. And honestly, since then, like, I'm always on time.
[83:38]
Trisha Paytas
You're like. You're, like, 10 minutes early today.
[83:40]
Oscar
I know. I thought I was early.
[83:41]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[83:42]
Trisha Paytas
I was like, dang, that was crazy, because people. Sometimes people are right on time, but a lot of times people are, like, a half hour late, especially coming this far.
[83:48]
Joey Graceffa
But aside from that, like, I love witchy things. I actually just got into, like, this. Probably gonna sound so weird, but Hecate, she's like the goddess of witchcraft. She's someone that I, like, go to for help now. And she's been like, she's had my back, Hecate.
[84:08]
Trisha Paytas
So she's like a guide, like a spirit or something.
[84:10]
Joey Graceffa
She's.
[84:11]
Trisha Paytas
Or a person.
[84:12]
Joey Graceffa
She's like mother witchcraft, basically.
[84:14]
Trisha Paytas
But, like, okay, is it, like, pray? It's like a God. Like, you're praying. Are you, like, talking? How are you communicating?
[84:17]
Joey Graceffa
Basically, yeah. As if she's like, my goddess. And so whenever I need help or, like, I. She's like a deity or something. I don't know. She's like, the person that I go to.
[84:27]
Trisha Paytas
I've never heard of her because I did such a study on, like, paganism. I just, like, studied this so much. I never heard of this.
[84:32]
Joey Graceffa
I need to learn more about her. I was getting Tiktoks. It's like, Hecate is recruiting. She needs new members. And I was like, I'm there. What does she need? And literally, before Escape the Night, because there was, like, a lot of stuff behind the scenes that was just going wrong. And I was like, hecate, if you were real, please let this weekend go well. And somehow everything came together. And since then, I was like, all right, right, girl, you're with me.
[85:00]
Trisha Paytas
You love Hecate?
[85:01]
Joey Graceffa
I love her.
[85:02]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, my gosh. And so do you stay, like, do you do spell work? Do you do potions? What do you do?
[85:08]
Joey Graceffa
Right now, I'm just starting out, but there are certain things that she likes. So I need to create an altar for her. But I have dedicated anytime I see repeating number like, 11, 11, 12, 12. I will acknowledge her presence, and I will thank her for anything that's going on. So I've dedicated any time that I do see that to her.
[85:30]
Trisha Paytas
Does she help you with the dogs?
[85:32]
Joey Graceffa
What do you mean?
[85:33]
Trisha Paytas
Protecting them.
[85:34]
Joey Graceffa
Probably if I ask her, she will.
[85:36]
Trisha Paytas
Feel like if Hecate was around during the one that got breached, you know, maybe she could have, like, helped. Not that you could have done anything, but maybe she could have, you know, for sure. That's very cool. I need to look into this because I. We have a little altar for Buddha. We give him apples in the morning and coffee. Yeah, stuff like that works. So, like, you know, just making people happy. Just making the. The spirits. The guides have. Yeah, I'm all about that. I didn't know that. I need to look at that. I love Wiccan because it is, like, the most, like, it's like the original. I hate to say the word religion, but it's like, the original, like.
[86:03]
Joey Graceffa
Well, then you would love Hecate. She's like the mother of Wiccan.
[86:06]
Trisha Paytas
Is there, like, a visual that goes with her? Is it. You know, how people draw, like, Aphrodite and stuff? Like. Is there. I'm not sure what she looks like.
[86:14]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, look around.
[86:15]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. I've been trying to look like the girl from the ring with all the hair. Why? I think she's kind of fierce.
[86:22]
Joey Graceffa
That's scary.
[86:23]
Trisha Paytas
I've never Seen it, but I just always see the little girl crawling on the tv. And I was like, that sounds like a heck of time.
[86:27]
Joey Graceffa
One time, my therapist told me, because this is when Daniel and I first broke up. I was scared to live alone, and I was, like, scared of demons. And my therapist was like, well, why don't you just, like, make friends with the demons? And I was like, okay.
[86:40]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, and are you friends with them?
[86:42]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, she's stunning. It's very me with the dog.
[86:45]
Oscar
Oh, my God.
[86:46]
Trisha Paytas
That's. That's actually so weird that she has two dogs. What's the lore behind that? That's so weird. Those are your huskies. Do you still have both of them?
[86:53]
Joey Graceffa
I have moon and wolf, and then I have a golden. Who's hunting.
[86:57]
Oscar
Oh, yeah, the gold. That's. That was my big question. Why did I not get a golden retriever with Daniels? Yeah. Do you remember? I kept dropping hints. I was like, maybe because you have ten already. No, this was. I had two. I had two at the time. It was my. And it was Monty's litter. And I was like, oh, if only I could have one of these dogs. Oh, I love this one. And you'd be like, yeah, which one did you like?
[87:21]
Joey Graceffa
Me?
[87:22]
Oscar
Yeah, like. Yeah, like, I just. I wish I could have one of these. Oh, I love. I love her. It was like the. There was one girl that was, like, kind of bigger. She was like a chunkier kind of girl.
[87:34]
Joey Graceffa
What was her name?
[87:35]
Oscar
I think she had the pink collar.
[87:37]
Joey Graceffa
I think that's the one I got.
[87:39]
Trisha Paytas
Is that the one you have now?
[87:40]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[87:41]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, he kept it.
[87:42]
Oscar
Well. There was a. There was quite a few. I was kind of pointing them out left and right. They all look the same.
[87:46]
Trisha Paytas
If you were trying to find homes for them. If you were trying to find a home, you think he would.
[87:53]
Joey Graceffa
It wasn't for me. It was Daniel's dog.
[87:56]
Oscar
Yeah. So I do think Daniel might have been the root.
[87:58]
Trisha Paytas
So you had to go to Daniel to ask for it, though.
[88:01]
Oscar
I kept dropping hints, so I was like, I wish I could have one.
[88:06]
Trisha Paytas
Well, if there's. If Wagmore gets you a litter of golden.
[88:11]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[88:11]
Oscar
It was the last rescue I did with him. We rescued a pregnant golden retriever. They had, like, 50 there. And my dog, I have now, because.
[88:18]
Joey Graceffa
Goldens are, like, the most loving dogs, and we go there and, like, they would not come near us. They were so scared.
[88:24]
Oscar
She's still a little messed up, but she's very sweet, Winnie, but they came from, like, Pennsylvania, so she's not good in cars because of that drive. And she's really anxious because they were, like, abused.
[88:35]
Trisha Paytas
You have a golden den from that?
[88:37]
Oscar
From our last rescue. Not Daniel's litter. This we rescued, like, separate. Yeah, it was when we started the podcast. So July, I guess. Yeah.
[88:46]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[88:46]
Trisha Paytas
So how many dogs now do you have total?
[88:48]
Oscar
Three. Three golden retrievers. Yeah.
[88:50]
Trisha Paytas
You're a golden retriever collector over there. That's so crazy. Only goldens.
[88:54]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, they're the best. Once you go golden, you never go back.
[88:57]
Trisha Paytas
Really?
[88:57]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[88:57]
Trisha Paytas
Huskies.
[88:58]
Joey Graceffa
Well, now that I've gotten a golden, I will never change.
[89:01]
Trisha Paytas
Like, really?
[89:02]
Oscar
Yeah. The gag was Daniel's dog, Montana is related to my dog. I'm the reason he has Mon.
[89:07]
Joey Graceffa
Stop.
[89:08]
Oscar
Yes. Because he was like, where did you get your dog? I was like, oh, from this girl.
[89:11]
Joey Graceffa
So I really was one of. Yeah, you were. You definitely were.
[89:18]
Oscar
And my other question for you is, did you know I was eating your dog treats? Because you had those blueberry dog treats and you have nothing in your pantry. If you are hungry, do not go to Joker.
[89:29]
Trisha Paytas
That's for sure. Yeah, nothing. There's never treats. Nothing.
[89:35]
Oscar
I was eating those blueberry dog biscuits from. From the dog cookie jar, and I remember I was eating them. I think you must have been upstairs or something, because I was alone in the kitchen. And then I think Moon. I remember Moon was just, like, sitting in front of me thinking they were for him. And I was like, no, I'm hungry. That's all they have with those dogs.
[89:54]
Trisha Paytas
Did you notice?
[89:55]
Joey Graceffa
I don't think so. Maybe you told me afterwards.
[89:57]
Oscar
I think I kept it a secret because I was like, I don't know.
[89:59]
Joey Graceffa
If I'm supposed to be doing this. Wait, I saw somewhere in the podcast you mentioned that you had a crush on someone who was an actor in Escape the Night.
[90:06]
Oscar
Oh, yes, Dennis. He was my high school crush.
[90:09]
Joey Graceffa
What character was he?
[90:10]
Oscar
He was in the opening. I forget what he did. It was in the season three, the first episode. It was like before the circus, like. Like when it. Before it went dark. Like, when everyone thought it was a good time, you know, and, like, everyone was having fun.
[90:24]
Joey Graceffa
Was he a clown or was he just, like, an extra?
[90:26]
Oscar
I think he died. He. He might have been, like, the first death or something. He had a kind of a big scene, though.
[90:31]
Trisha Paytas
But he wasn't an influencer.
[90:32]
Oscar
No, he was just an actor. Yeah.
[90:34]
Trisha Paytas
You don't remember Dennis? Wow.
[90:37]
Oscar
It was like a quick.
[90:38]
Trisha Paytas
I would remember everyone for my music videos.
[90:40]
Joey Graceffa
No, you would not.
[90:41]
Trisha Paytas
I do. I had a dancer audition yesterday, and one of Our extras from Sad Boy was there. And I was like, why isn't Sad Boy on your resume? Cuz he was in a music video. He didn't have it down. He was also in JoJo's Karma video. And I was like, that's on it. But not Sad Boy. But I recognize everybody.
[90:53]
Joey Graceffa
Sometimes, like, your Mulholland song will, like, pop in my head. I'm like, oh, you. I think when I'm ever on Mulholland Drive, I'm like, I'm on the wrong side of Mulholland Drive.
[91:03]
Trisha Paytas
You did give me. I remember when I did the tribute to, like, Panic and My Chemical Romance and I did Reach out and you're like, oh, this is, like, so cool.
[91:12]
Joey Graceffa
So good.
[91:12]
Trisha Paytas
No one liked that era, but I love that era.
[91:15]
Oscar
She's like, oh, my God. Like, I'm nervous that Joey's coming. Like, do you think he even likes me? And I was like, literally through everything. I remember you always talk so sweet about her. He was always watching your videos through every, like, cancellation. He was always standing. Yeah, yeah, you both. Yes.
[91:30]
Joey Graceffa
We're always like, what could we do with Trish?
[91:32]
Oscar
Yeah, that was like, our last video.
[91:34]
Trisha Paytas
We did do a lot of videos together because we did the green one, which I actually. I was so skinny in that video. I look back at that. God, I was like, so skinny.
[91:40]
Joey Graceffa
We did so many clubs. I was looking last night and I was like, damn. We collabed a lot.
[91:43]
Trisha Paytas
We did. Well, the, like, weird ones were, like, back in the day, like, the ones where we're doing, like, the what?
[91:48]
Joey Graceffa
There was a 711 slushie. I watched that one last night. And you're like, why are we doing this?
[91:53]
Oscar
Yes.
[91:54]
Joey Graceffa
You're like, only at Joey Graceffa's house would there be, like, a child's toy that we're, like, playing with.
[91:59]
Trisha Paytas
I remember thinking it was weird back then. Did we do something too with like, I don't know, like, we made soap. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like, what was happening back then? I was just happy to clap with anybody.
[92:10]
Joey Graceffa
I was like, yeah, she was.
[92:12]
Trisha Paytas
But I liked our ones later on, like, the fast food. You came and ate, like, me for a day. Like, that was.
[92:15]
Joey Graceffa
That was because of Oscar took over and was, like, producing for me.
[92:18]
Trisha Paytas
That was so good that Oscar would, like, hide that you hid back then too. You hid in the backseat.
[92:22]
Oscar
Asked me about that too.
[92:24]
Trisha Paytas
Like, I was like, why did you hide? You're just like, down. I was like, oh, are you not supposed to be here? Like, it was so I don't know.
[92:28]
Oscar
I feel like we never talked about it, but for some reason, I was just trying to, like, not be in the scene. But I don't know. It's not like Joey gave the direction. Hey, like, when you're filming, hide behind the scene and act like you're not in it.
[92:41]
Trisha Paytas
It just. She just did that on your own.
[92:42]
Joey Graceffa
Because he was always behind the camera. Yeah, it was always a voice. Like, it was always Oscar, like, being, like, my rebuttal. And, like, there was a one where.
[92:50]
Trisha Paytas
You guys were vlogging together, but you never acknowledged him. Like, he's in the passenger seat and you're in the driver's seat, and you're just talking and never acknowledge him. He's just, like, smiling back there. And I was like, clearly in the frame. Frame. We just. We weren't. We've been watching so many of your videos. And he was like, so it was.
[93:03]
Oscar
The last rescue when we were on the way to. Wow.
[93:06]
Joey Graceffa
I feel like I'd always be like, all right, I'm here. We're rescuing here. With Oscar.
[93:12]
Trisha Paytas
There was no reference. It was just, like, you two in frame, and there was, like, no references.
[93:16]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, that's so awkward.
[93:17]
Trisha Paytas
No, I don't think so. It's just funny.
[93:19]
Joey Graceffa
People knew at that point, like, who he was.
[93:20]
Oscar
We've done, like, five at that point. So I was like, it's just another one.
[93:23]
Trisha Paytas
Darian was in one of your vlogs. Like, there was, like, a whole, like, lore. I was like, oh, you were in it quite a lot, actually. Yeah. Which is so funny to, like, see it full circle. That's why I was like, I just never know, you know? I still never know if people like me. I'm like, I don't know.
[93:34]
Joey Graceffa
I mean, I didn't. I wasn't sure if you still liked me.
[93:37]
Trisha Paytas
I do. Like, yeah, the pregnant pause. I'm trying to think what you asked so I can make sure I answer it right. I'm like, okay, what did you just ask? It's like, when you said you were boring, I was, like, trying to process it. I'm like, are you saying I think. No, you said boring. By the way, boring is not bad. I always say this about our lives. I'm always like, our lives are so boring. Or, Moses was born boring. But I mean that in the best way. What do I mean when I say boring? I mean it in a nice way.
[93:59]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[93:59]
Oscar
Yeah.
[93:59]
Joey Graceffa
No, that's. That's.
[94:00]
Trisha Paytas
So when you say boring to me, I'm like, I love that, you know? What? I mean, because it's just a calm life, and I feel like when there are scandals that, like, arise, you know, it's just, like, better to be boring, you know, rather than scandalous.
[94:12]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, it's. It's never fun to be involved.
[94:16]
Trisha Paytas
How do you do it? Especially when you're, like, associated with, like. Do you get anxiety?
[94:20]
Joey Graceffa
Do you get stressed so much? Like, I was doing this weird thing. I was like, this is gonna sound so. No, I'm not even gonna say it.
[94:27]
Trisha Paytas
Wait, say it.
[94:28]
Oscar
You have to.
[94:29]
Joey Graceffa
I was doing, like, witchy stuff to protect myself and, like, you know. Circle of salt.
[94:33]
Trisha Paytas
Yes. The black salt around you. Yeah.
[94:35]
Joey Graceffa
So when you pee, there's salt in your urine. So I would literally. When I let the dogs out in my backyard, I'd literally piss in a circle and be like, I am protected.
[94:46]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, I peed in a circle for sure before. I did that all the time. And it's helped. I feel like, around this house, it's helped so much. For sure. I did the whole house. I was like, I need a circle of protection. And it works. Yes. There's no evil energy after the evil energies have left. Oh, my God.
[95:03]
Joey Graceffa
Okay. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
[95:05]
Trisha Paytas
No, I definitely done that. I definitely staged a lot down here after, you know, the last podcast, I had to, like, sage and you, just. Because it's just bad energy and you're just like, jesus, like, what? How do I get this out of my house? So I think staging helps. The salt. I do a lot of the salt everywhere, that's for sure.
[95:20]
Joey Graceffa
I was doing a lot of rituals where, like, any negativity that was directed towards me, I. I reflected tenfold. So that works, too. I'm sure anyone who's did that. Yeah, yeah. Got something 10 times worse.
[95:36]
Trisha Paytas
I feel that I. But it does work because there's so many times where people, like, later on down the road, like, people that I've had, like, falling out with, you know, people will start seeing the light, and they'll be like, oh, my God, Trisha was right. Or Trisha was this. Or something like that. And I really do think it's that I'm like, I always just. I'm the same way. I'm just like, please protect me. Please let me be a shield. Please let any. You know, I was the negative energy for a long time, so I think I had to, like, exile myself first and then protect it. But now when there's, like, negative energy, I'm very much like, get this away, you know? I mean, I feel like we've done pretty good protecting it around here. We have a lot of crystals too. I do them wrong. I think I washed them wrong. I always think you're supposed to do it on like a full moon, but you're supposed to on like a new moon or something. I'm very, very bad with moon work. Oh, I don't know the difference. There's one you're supposed to manifest and then there's one you're not supposed to manifest. Like you're supposed to like get rid of something and I don't know which one is which.
[96:20]
Joey Graceffa
I know. I'm not sure either.
[96:21]
Trisha Paytas
I see it on Instagram. It's like tonight is this moon. Like, be sure to write down everything you want to get rid of and rip it up and throw it down the toilet and like all this stuff. But I do it on wrong occasions sometimes. Sometimes I manifest when I'm supposed to clear up.
[96:31]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, I'm like a full moon. That seems like the perfect time to manifest, but I don't think so. New moons or something.
[96:36]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, yeah, Like Twilight. Like twilight. New moon.
[96:39]
Joey Graceffa
Wait, what's your current hyper fixation?
[96:41]
Trisha Paytas
Oh God, I'm kind of not in one at the moment. I need.
[96:44]
Joey Graceffa
We need to get you into something.
[96:45]
Trisha Paytas
I was very bridgeton. It was like the idol and then it was bridgeton. I don't think I have one, do I?
[96:50]
Oscar
Not really, no. Cuz then you had Wicked for a long.
[96:54]
Trisha Paytas
Did you see it?
[96:55]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[96:56]
Trisha Paytas
I love. I love Jonathan Bailey, but he got too famous for me, so I was like, let me get over him. But he was in Bridgerton Season 2.
[97:01]
Joey Graceffa
And I was really get over isn't he gang?
[97:03]
Trisha Paytas
Well, I mean, I'm not gonna date him. I just was obsessed. Although I do think in my head sometimes I'm like, I could date him. Yeah, you should date him.
[97:12]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. I mean, he is very attractive.
[97:13]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, he's not tall and dark and handsome?
[97:15]
Joey Graceffa
No. But I would make an exception.
[97:17]
Trisha Paytas
Really?
[97:18]
Joey Graceffa
I think he's like 58 or something.
[97:19]
Oscar
Oh, he is.
[97:20]
Trisha Paytas
He is a short king. But I love it. Which is surprising. Cause Fierro in the Broadway Call, you have to be over 6 foot to play Fiyero. So did you see Wicked?
[97:27]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, you just asked me.
[97:29]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, did I? Did you like it?
[97:31]
Joey Graceffa
I did.
[97:32]
Trisha Paytas
You're not a musical person.
[97:33]
Joey Graceffa
I enjoy music.
[97:35]
Trisha Paytas
But you don't love it. Like I feel like.
[97:37]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, yeah.
[97:38]
Trisha Paytas
You're like, it's just.
[97:38]
Joey Graceffa
Okay, I saw it once and I'll watch it again.
[97:41]
Trisha Paytas
But not your Thing. What's your hyper fixation?
[97:45]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, right now, I've been playing Marvel Rivals. Have you played it?
[97:47]
Oscar
Yeah, I was just playing with Callie. That's the game I played with Callie.
[97:50]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, you're a gamer.
[97:51]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[97:51]
Trisha Paytas
What do you mean? Who loves the block one? What's the one? The block sword. Are you in that movie coming out?
[97:58]
Joey Graceffa
I should be.
[97:59]
Trisha Paytas
Did you ever try to get in it? Because you were like, the original Minecraft. I remember that about you. You had those swords and the blockheads, like, all that crazy.
[98:07]
Joey Graceffa
Yet Minecraft has never worked with me. They work with, like, all these other people, but how do you feel about that? Annoyed. I'm like, the original, like, Minecraft boy, shirtless.
[98:17]
Trisha Paytas
That's so true. And your hair was, like, sticking up.
[98:19]
Joey Graceffa
When you did it.
[98:20]
Trisha Paytas
Yes, that is. And so you never try to reach out or get, like, agents at any time? Reaching out.
[98:25]
Joey Graceffa
I. I should, but that's how I felt.
[98:28]
Trisha Paytas
When you got a. Was it McDonald's? You got, like, a fast food sponsorship?
[98:32]
Joey Graceffa
No, I got Coachella tickets.
[98:35]
Trisha Paytas
What?
[98:37]
Joey Graceffa
I went to Coachella with McDonald's. I didn't get, like, paid by them. They just got me tickets.
[98:43]
Trisha Paytas
How does that happen? So you just, like, reach out to a brand? Like, can I go to Coachella with you guys?
[98:47]
Joey Graceffa
I just told my manager. I was like, I want to go to Coachella. And they're like, McDonald's is doing. They're giving away a pass. And it was general admission, so no. Really?
[98:56]
Trisha Paytas
And you went for that? Did you have to promote it?
[98:58]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[98:59]
Trisha Paytas
And what were you like?
[98:59]
Joey Graceffa
That's probably where you saw the picture.
[99:01]
Trisha Paytas
And you're like, I love French fries. What was the picture?
[99:03]
Joey Graceffa
It was probably me eating French fries.
[99:04]
Trisha Paytas
And do you eat McDonald's french fries?
[99:06]
Joey Graceffa
I love their French fries. What? Yes.
[99:08]
Trisha Paytas
That is so not you. I've never known you to ever try it.
[99:10]
Joey Graceffa
100%. I mean, I'm gluten free, but I love their chicken nuggets. Their chicken selects was my favorite. They need to bring those back. No.
[99:18]
Trisha Paytas
So what happens when you eat gluten?
[99:21]
Joey Graceffa
Just, like, blow up. Like, my stomach. No, like, my stomach just gets, like, so. Inflamed. Yeah. Bloated.
[99:30]
Oscar
You don't blow.
[99:32]
Trisha Paytas
I don't bloat. I just always like this. But that makes sense. I do eat a lot of chicken nuggets.
[99:36]
Joey Graceffa
I love McDonald's, though.
[99:37]
Trisha Paytas
Wait, I never knew this about you. I've never seen you eat fast food. So you always ate healthy.
[99:41]
Oscar
You did a whole video eating fast food?
[99:42]
Trisha Paytas
Because it was, like, a shock for him, I was like, wow, I'm eating fast. Fast food. But did you secretly like it?
[99:47]
Joey Graceffa
Secretly? I loved it publicly.
[99:50]
Trisha Paytas
Really?
[99:50]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[99:51]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, gosh. I just.
[99:52]
Oscar
You had your health thing, though, for like. Yeah. Cuz I remember we wanted to do it, like, early on when I started working with you, but then you were like. You had that thing with your stomach where you couldn't even, like.
[100:02]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, I couldn't even, like, touch gluten.
[100:04]
Oscar
Yeah.
[100:04]
Trisha Paytas
And it would just make you, like, sick.
[100:05]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[100:06]
Oscar
That's why you had to eat all the. All the greens.
[100:09]
Trisha Paytas
That was awful.
[100:10]
Joey Graceffa
That was crazy.
[100:11]
Trisha Paytas
To this day, you did kind of make them somewhat good. You did something in like a blender or you sauteed or something.
[100:16]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, there's like a steamer.
[100:17]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, yeah. That actually was good. You steamed some asparagus or something. Ooh, yeah, that was kind of tasty. I can still get down with some asparagus if we go to, like, mastros to be healthy. I was like, all right, I can have some of that. But they probably put, like, butter on it. But it's so. Just greens are not my thing.
[100:31]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[100:31]
Trisha Paytas
You know, what's the point?
[100:33]
Joey Graceffa
I feel that.
[100:33]
Trisha Paytas
Do you think you live longer? Probably not.
[100:37]
Joey Graceffa
What?
[100:38]
Trisha Paytas
Do you think you live longer if you eat more greens?
[100:41]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[100:42]
Trisha Paytas
I don't know. My grandparents lived pretty long and. And they only ate bacon.
[100:46]
Joey Graceffa
How old are they?
[100:47]
Trisha Paytas
Maybe not that old. Maybe they were only, like, in their 60s. Well, you know what? One looks to be 80. I wonder. I just feel like people lived longer back in the day. Right? Don't we die?
[101:00]
Joey Graceffa
They live longer now.
[101:02]
Trisha Paytas
No.
[101:02]
Joey Graceffa
Yes. I feel like when we get older, we're gonna be in like 120, 150s, 120, 150.
[101:09]
Trisha Paytas
What's that mean?
[101:10]
Oscar
Years old.
[101:10]
Joey Graceffa
I think that's how old our generation will get to.
[101:13]
Trisha Paytas
No. What? No, no. Maybe the, like, next generation, like, Malibu. Maybe they'll be. I don't think we're gonna be 150. That's crazy.
[101:19]
Oscar
Maybe like, you. You eat really healthy.
[101:21]
Joey Graceffa
Not really anymore.
[101:22]
Oscar
Really?
[101:23]
Trisha Paytas
What?
[101:23]
Joey Graceffa
I had a burger and french fries last night. Whoa. No, a real beef burger with a bun from Valley Burger Bar.
[101:31]
Trisha Paytas
With a bun.
[101:32]
Joey Graceffa
A gluten free bun.
[101:33]
Trisha Paytas
Okay.
[101:34]
Joey Graceffa
Love that.
[101:35]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. Damn.
[101:37]
Oscar
Who is this new girl?
[101:38]
Trisha Paytas
I don't know. This is actually so crazy. It is crazy to see you because, like, the last time I saw you was probably my other podcast with the flop one that was in my living.
[101:46]
Joey Graceffa
Room, which is like, I forgot we did that.
[101:48]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, that was so nice. You did. Come on. That one but what do you mean nice? Because you know what? That one was kind of. This is also kind of. This is also just in my basement. It feels a little more professional, but it's not really. But it was nice because like it was hard to find guests back then. I was like, I don't know, who wants to just come to someone's house and like sit on the mic? I would like to do that, but you know what I mean, it wasn't professional. I think I was doing my own sound myself. I think I was like starting and stopping it after like 60 minutes and it was great. But it's also like, oh my God.
[102:12]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, you just have like one camera.
[102:13]
Trisha Paytas
Guy and yeah, even that was an upgrade for me to have a camera guy. Like I probably should have just done it myself and like moved it around but I didn't know how to do all that.
[102:20]
Joey Graceffa
Oh my God.
[102:21]
Trisha Paytas
What's next for you? A Joey graceffa. What's your middle name?
[102:24]
Joey Graceffa
Michael Joe.
[102:25]
Trisha Paytas
Wow.
[102:26]
Joey Graceffa
Joseph Michael.
[102:27]
Trisha Paytas
Sounds like a character from Dawson's Creek.
[102:29]
Joey Graceffa
Really?
[102:29]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. I never watched it but I think.
[102:30]
Joey Graceffa
It'S a very biblical name. I feel. Joseph Michael.
[102:33]
Trisha Paytas
Was your parents biblical, religious really?
[102:35]
Joey Graceffa
I'm like, why'd you even do that? And like couldn't get original. Have the same name as my dad.
[102:40]
Trisha Paytas
I'm like, Joseph Michael is his name too Jo?
[102:43]
Joey Graceffa
No, he has a different middle name, but he's also Joseph.
[102:45]
Oscar
Me too. I'm a junior too.
[102:47]
Trisha Paytas
I love juniors. I always, I wish we had a boy named Moses. He's like, no, like that's crazy. Like that's, that's cool to be named after your dad.
[102:53]
Joey Graceffa
I guess.
[102:54]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah.
[102:55]
Joey Graceffa
I don't know.
[102:55]
Trisha Paytas
Talk to your dad.
[102:56]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[102:56]
Trisha Paytas
Okay. Your dad and you are cool.
[102:58]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[102:58]
Trisha Paytas
Your mom, how's she doing?
[103:00]
Joey Graceffa
Not great. She lives in Florida. She's still back and forth with recovery of being an alcoholic. I don't talk to her. I haven't talked to her in maybe two years. I just had to put up a boundary because she was using me and it just felt like I wasn't really her son. I was just like a piggy bank to her. So I just had to protect myself and cut her off. Is it hard? I mean it's been so off and on over the years, like having such like a up and down relationship. It just like is so unstable and like I love stability and she was like just a very toxic aspect of my life where I felt like she was never adding anything. She was just taking and so I knew for myself. I had to Put up walls. And she disrespected me way too many times where I just had to cut it off.
[103:55]
Trisha Paytas
Does your sister have communication with her?
[103:56]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. So I know that she's doing fine and whatnot.
[104:00]
Trisha Paytas
But that's good though. Yeah, that's probably hard. That's so hard to like. Even if it's like the most toxic relationship, it's still. You're like mom and you're just like.
[104:06]
Joey Graceffa
Damn, I don't know. So another thing, like, I went on that retreat for a week. You learn to mourn your parents death and you go through this whole process. So honestly, to me, she's been dead for a long time and she's not the same person I knew growing up. And it's weird, like I had a music video about her where it was basically mourning someone that's still alive is such an odd thing because she's not the same person, but she's still walking and a human here on this planet. But to me, she's. She's completely different.
[104:41]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. So doesn't it not around anymore. It doesn't exist. Yeah, I remember that music video. Was that after the Don't Wait, it was kind of like. Also the same kind of fantasy vibe. Right.
[104:50]
Joey Graceffa
This one was more like. It was a very accurate representation of what my life was like when I was a kid with her.
[105:01]
Trisha Paytas
Was she like a monster in the video though?
[105:03]
Joey Graceffa
No, that was Don't Wait. So there was. She was like a witch in that one. But I did like an actual one.
[105:10]
Trisha Paytas
What's this song called?
[105:10]
Joey Graceffa
It's called Letting youg Go.
[105:11]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, I don't think I saw it.
[105:12]
Joey Graceffa
And it was beautifully shot. I worked with this amazing director and she really was able to capture like, the essence of like, the house that I lived in. And some scenes of like, my mom, like, being drunk and going in front of like the neighbor's house and like waving a stick in the air and like telling me that she was gonna die and come back as a bird. And like, it's just so traumatizing and embarrassing and being taken off to like, rehab like constantly throughout my childhood in.
[105:44]
Trisha Paytas
Front of like everyone. And how old were you?
[105:47]
Joey Graceffa
Started when I was eight years old, so.
[105:49]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, wow.
[105:50]
Joey Graceffa
My friends would be like, where's your mom? And I was like, oh, she's on a work trip. Meanwhile she's in rehab for two months and. And then she'd come back and she'd be good for a while. But then just like all throughout my life, it was just constantly up and down, back and Forth unstable. Yeah.
[106:10]
Trisha Paytas
And then you said that's why you like stability now.
[106:12]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[106:12]
Trisha Paytas
But it's interesting because you do. Because even now, you're like. You do kind of move back and forth a little bit. Like you were in London for a year and then you have a house here, but you're like, I don't know if I want to stay here. So that's interesting, because I think, like, someone like you would want to just be in one spot forever.
[106:23]
Joey Graceffa
I know. And I think that's what brings me back here. When I go to London for a while, I'm like, oh, I just want to be home.
[106:29]
Trisha Paytas
So it's like your home here.
[106:31]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, because my friends are here and I just like. I have roots.
[106:34]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. Yeah. Ellie feels like home after you. Because you've been here how long since. 20 years. 20 years?
[106:41]
Joey Graceffa
20. 11. So, like, 17 years maybe.
[106:44]
Trisha Paytas
It's a long time considering you're, like, so young, too. So that is, like, the majority of your life here.
[106:48]
Joey Graceffa
You're from Boston, Massachusetts. Yeah.
[106:50]
Trisha Paytas
And do you ever go back?
[106:52]
Joey Graceffa
I go back in the summertime.
[106:54]
Trisha Paytas
And are you part, like, in a. Like a fan, Like, Nantucket, like that area or what part of Boston?
[106:58]
Joey Graceffa
No, it's like a small town called Marlboro.
[107:00]
Trisha Paytas
Okay.
[107:01]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. It's just like a.
[107:02]
Trisha Paytas
And you would never go back there to live? Yeah.
[107:04]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my God. Don't scare me.
[107:07]
Trisha Paytas
No, I'm from Illinois. And the thought of having to live back there, I'm like, oh, yeah.
[107:12]
Joey Graceffa
I like to go visit. Like, it's beautiful. And, like, I love the greenery and I love big, fluffy clouds. So, like, I get that fantasy.
[107:19]
Trisha Paytas
Okay. You should come out this way. We have big clouds here. We're like, in a cloud in the morning. We wake up and there's, like, huge clouds.
[107:24]
Joey Graceffa
Really? Yeah.
[107:25]
Trisha Paytas
We're like. What is it called? The fog. What is that? What are we in? We're in a big cloud in the morning, and it's so cool.
[107:31]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, no, no, no. I want, like, big. Oh, cumulonimbus clouds up in the sky.
[107:35]
Trisha Paytas
I remember cumulonimbus. But what were the other two types of clouds? It's like cumulonimbus and something else.
[107:40]
Joey Graceffa
I don't know.
[107:41]
Trisha Paytas
Wait. There was like, three big ones. And we always would study clouds. Okay.
[107:44]
Joey Graceffa
Than.
[107:44]
Trisha Paytas
We love clouds. I was so excited to get into this with you.
[107:48]
Joey Graceffa
I know. Evaporation to condensation to precipitation to accumulation.
[107:53]
Trisha Paytas
What's a. Wait, that's the water cycle or what?
[107:55]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. So it evaporates, condensates wow.
[107:59]
Trisha Paytas
Condensation's like. What's on the cup?
[108:01]
Joey Graceffa
Precipitation. I don't know. Wait, what?
[108:04]
Trisha Paytas
The condensations on the Pepsi.
[108:05]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[108:06]
Trisha Paytas
So where does that come from? The clouds.
[108:08]
Joey Graceffa
I don't know.
[108:10]
Oscar
It's always too dumb.
[108:13]
Trisha Paytas
Were you?
[108:14]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[108:14]
Trisha Paytas
Really? You're supposed to.
[108:16]
Oscar
You ate the paint chips and all that.
[108:17]
Joey Graceffa
I ate paint chips? Yeah. Delicious.
[108:20]
Trisha Paytas
Did your mom, like, advise you to do this or how did this happen?
[108:22]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, it was her. No, I. Like, we grew up very poor, so, like, my. My mom was a single mom, so we were just in, like, crappy apartments that just didn't have, like, lead, like, protocols or stuff. So it's like, just gnawing on the windowsills.
[108:37]
Trisha Paytas
But didn't she be like, don't do that.
[108:39]
Joey Graceffa
I don't think she noticed. She was, like, working, and I was just like. Did you, Like, I feel like I did.
[108:45]
Trisha Paytas
People do me paint chips. Like, I've heard that saying before, like in Tommy Boy. He ate paint chips. Yeah, I guess. Don't do that.
[108:52]
Joey Graceffa
Definitely don't. I'm sure I still have a little lead inside me, so.
[108:55]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, my gosh. Do you think you'll ever have kids? Do you think you want kids?
[108:58]
Joey Graceffa
I do, yeah. Yeah. I think I'd love to start with a girl and then do a boy.
[109:04]
Trisha Paytas
A child. A girl child. Jonathan Bailey said he'd had kids with a girl, so I was trying to think. I'm like, you wanna start with a girl?
[109:11]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, no. Like, I want a girl. Yeah.
[109:12]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, got it. Got it. A girl. Yes. Daughter. Yeah. I love the way I'll start with a girl.
[109:17]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[109:18]
Trisha Paytas
The girls are the best. Yeah, for sure. And then she'd want one girl at one point. What are you gonna do with all your dogs? I guess you could take care of the dogs with you just have a whole little family. That's so cute. Oh, my gosh.
[109:28]
Joey Graceffa
Countryside.
[109:29]
Trisha Paytas
Would you ever do, like, a Bachelor type show, like, where you're the Bachelor?
[109:34]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my God. I had a show idea. It was called Love at First Sign, and it would be me dating the zodiac signs. I kind of did, like, a smaller version of this, like, on my channel, but imagine, like, the Bachelor, but you don't know their zodiac signs. And there's like, an astrologer who's basically like, can tell you your compatibility, but as you eliminate them, they reveal, like, their sign. Yeah.
[109:58]
Trisha Paytas
Would you know. Do you think you could tell when someone's like, a Gemini?
[110:02]
Joey Graceffa
I think so.
[110:03]
Trisha Paytas
Who are you most compatible with?
[110:04]
Joey Graceffa
Pisces. Also fellow Taurus Virgos. Capricorns, Scorpios.
[110:11]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, the whole Scorpio.
[110:12]
Joey Graceffa
Right.
[110:13]
Trisha Paytas
Taurus, Scorpio are opposite.
[110:15]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my God. Yeah, they're the best. I think they're like sister signs or something with each other.
[110:19]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. I do love a Scorpio. He's the only Scorpio I liked. Everyone else is Scorpio.
[110:22]
Joey Graceffa
Spiderman love Scorpios.
[110:23]
Trisha Paytas
You do?
[110:24]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[110:24]
Trisha Paytas
That's wild. I don't know if I like any other Scorpio.
[110:26]
Joey Graceffa
Really.
[110:26]
Trisha Paytas
Different types of scorpions. He's October Scorpio and November Scorpio is. Yeah. I think the more crazy ones. But Taurus is wild. I've never met a Taurus that I like, want to date, but I do love a Taurus. I love a fellow Taurus.
[110:38]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, I. I feel that too.
[110:41]
Trisha Paytas
Elvis was so close to being a Taurus. She was supposed to come, I think, on your birthday. Are you May 16th? Yeah. And she was just a little. A little late. Wow. But, yeah, she ended up being a Gemini. I was okay. But it's great.
[110:51]
Joey Graceffa
We love it.
[110:52]
Trisha Paytas
But probably could have, I guess. Cause I had a C section. Probably could have had her come out a couple days early to be a tourist. But I thought maybe that was messing with. Maybe not. Ooh.
[110:59]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[110:59]
Trisha Paytas
Actually, I went this way.
[111:02]
Joey Graceffa
Wait, that's so crazy.
[111:04]
Trisha Paytas
My doctor actually happened to be out of town from, like, the 20th through, like, the 24th. So, like, it was, like, way too early to do, like, the 18th.
[111:09]
Joey Graceffa
So that's so that you could, like, essentially choose what your kid's sign's gonna be.
[111:15]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah.
[111:15]
Joey Graceffa
Do you believe in astrology?
[111:17]
Trisha Paytas
Like, kind of. I don't know too much about, like. I definitely know, like, I'm a Taurus. I'm like, I love money and I love hustling, and I love being, like, in my hard head and like, all.
[111:24]
Joey Graceffa
Yes.
[111:24]
Trisha Paytas
I don't know about too much about.
[111:26]
Joey Graceffa
What are your other big three? Like, what's your rising and your moon?
[111:30]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, I don't know that.
[111:31]
Joey Graceffa
You don't.
[111:31]
Trisha Paytas
My mom doesn't know what time I was born.
[111:35]
Joey Graceffa
Do you have your birth certificate? It will say on there.
[111:37]
Trisha Paytas
Really? Yeah, I do have a birth certificate. I'll look it up. Do you know your other ones?
[111:40]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, I'm a Virgo rising and a cancer. Moon. Moon.
[111:43]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, interesting. Cancer. You're a cancer. Yeah, those are interesting.
[111:47]
Oscar
I know it. We always said it was weird because you are Taurus. Then I worked for you, and you're a Taurus. And Darian is a Taurus too.
[111:54]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. So it's no, Cancers and Taurus are very compatible.
[111:58]
Trisha Paytas
All my friends were like, shane was a cancer. Like, I. Oh, yeah. Cancers are kind of wild, actually. Tana's a cancer.
[112:08]
Oscar
Oh, yeah, There you go.
[112:08]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, there's a lot of cancer. Cancer is. And I love it. It's an awful sign to be called a cancer.
[112:13]
Oscar
It's so funny, though. I was watching one of your. When I was watching your older get ready or routine videos, you. You bought something that had your Taurus on it. You were like, I don't really believe in astrology, but.
[112:27]
Trisha Paytas
I kind of don't. But, like, I don't know. I believe. Yeah. Because I love, like, the idea of it all, but I don't know exactly. Like, does it matter? I'm not sure about.
[112:35]
Joey Graceffa
It says that your. Your sun is Taurus, your moon is Aquarius, and then Virgo and Gemini.
[112:42]
Trisha Paytas
Aquarius and Virgo and Gemini. How do you know what time you were born? I don't even know what time I was born.
[112:47]
Joey Graceffa
Like, online.
[112:49]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, someone did it for me. How did they know?
[112:51]
Joey Graceffa
How do they know? Sunday, May 8, 1988.
[112:55]
Trisha Paytas
3. Oh, they probably just put up random time. I'm pretty sure I was born in the morning at church. Like, my mom was like, I wouldn't labor church. Like, well, not like your puppies, but like, my mom was going into labor during church.
[113:04]
Joey Graceffa
No, it's when you're like, yeah.
[113:06]
Trisha Paytas
So I think she pushed for a few hours or probably was like noon or something, but I think they just probably guessed a time.
[113:11]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, she was at church and she went into labor.
[113:13]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. She had, like, her water break and everything. Yeah.
[113:16]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my God.
[113:17]
Oscar
I love you, Jesus. Yeah.
[113:19]
Joey Graceffa
That is Jesus.
[113:21]
Trisha Paytas
I came out of.
[113:22]
Oscar
It makes so much sense.
[113:23]
Trisha Paytas
Happy Sunday. Do you know what day you were born?
[113:27]
Joey Graceffa
Day?
[113:27]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah. You don't know the day you were born? Like a Monday, a Tuesday. Like, oh, she never gave you a story? Like, this is where I was when this was happening? Nope, mine was just like, in the morning I just went to the bathroom and I was a lot more water and I think, oh, I think I'm having contractions. Let's go to the hospital. But people always have, like, crazy stories like, oh, I like, fell over or something like that. But anyways. Well, we never finished. What's next for you? That's where I was going. Back to Joseph Michael.
[113:54]
Joey Graceffa
Back to Joseph Michael. Oh, my God. We went out on tangent. I know.
[113:56]
Trisha Paytas
I did kind of go dark deep.
[114:00]
Joey Graceffa
Okay, so what's next?
[114:01]
Trisha Paytas
What's Next this year? 2025.
[114:04]
Joey Graceffa
Well, I'm writing another book, so that's in the process.
[114:06]
Trisha Paytas
How many books have you written? Because there's a lot.
[114:08]
Joey Graceffa
Four. So this will be my fifth.
[114:09]
Trisha Paytas
Is this memoir?
[114:11]
Joey Graceffa
No, that was my first one.
[114:13]
Trisha Paytas
So this was a nonfiction in real life or something?
[114:16]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[114:17]
Oscar
Chapter eight. I'm gay. Was it chapter eight?
[114:18]
Trisha Paytas
Was it?
[114:19]
Joey Graceffa
I think it was like 14.
[114:21]
Trisha Paytas
How was I gay? 14. That's crazy. That should have been chapter one, right?
[114:26]
Joey Graceffa
Chronological.
[114:27]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, but that's what people know you for as you're, like, coming out.
[114:30]
Joey Graceffa
This was before I launched this book with the music video. This was history.
[114:34]
Oscar
This was gay history. But even more so, it was big.
[114:38]
Trisha Paytas
That should have been the first chapter if that was your coming out. You know, like, I thought about it.
[114:42]
Joey Graceffa
It's so funny because when I was telling people that it was coming out, Shane's like, you should just do a video where you sit down in front of the camera and you just say, I'm gay. And then it's end of the video.
[114:52]
Trisha Paytas
Did you do it? You should have.
[114:53]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, you know, I did the music video.
[114:55]
Trisha Paytas
You're like, let me just do a full music video instead.
[114:57]
Joey Graceffa
The drama.
[114:57]
Trisha Paytas
Shane's ideas, not always the greatest. Sometimes I always think he would give me ideas, and I didn't do half of them. I'm like, I think you tried to sabotage me a little bit. There was some crazy ones that I'm.
[115:06]
Joey Graceffa
Like, honestly, not like a hundred layers of.
[115:09]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, probably that. Probably that. To be honest, it was a lot of that. And it was a lot of, like, weird trolling stuff. He went to Jeff.
[115:17]
Oscar
I feel like he would have have thought of the 100 layers thing on your own.
[115:19]
Trisha Paytas
I don't think so.
[115:20]
Oscar
You are not watching. Simply nailogical.
[115:22]
Trisha Paytas
Yes, probably was him. Because there was probably a lot of trolling videos that show. I was like, you should do this. And I was like, yeah. God, I wish I could think. I actually disassociate a lot of that time in my life. So I can't remember, but I know it was always, like, never good. And he's like, but even, like, the one I did about Tati, the one where I was so angry, and I was like, Tati. Like, he definitely told me, like, stuff about. Because I couldn't care less. I didn't know what Tati Westbrook was. You know what I mean? And then here I am doing a video just, like, screaming at her.
[115:47]
Joey Graceffa
So I was like, didn't know who she was.
[115:49]
Trisha Paytas
Literally. Literally no idea. We watched it. You showed it to me. I was like, I don't remember making this video. Tati.
[115:53]
Oscar
Dumb as Hell was the title.
[115:56]
Trisha Paytas
I did not know Tati back then at all.
[115:58]
Joey Graceffa
I'm dead.
[115:59]
Trisha Paytas
So you're doing another book? Cause you did that and then you did, like, a futuristic book, the Eden.
[116:03]
Joey Graceffa
Children series, which I remember you promoted, which I was, like, so grateful for. Yeah. I sent you a PR and you were, like, made, like, a whole video about you unboxing.
[116:12]
Trisha Paytas
Oh. It was probably the only PR I got. I was so excited and I loved it. No, I was super. I think I, like, jealous. In a good way. I was always so jealous of everything he did. Like, getting book deals and stuff. That's, like, not easy. Thank you. So you're doing this one with a publisher, too?
[116:23]
Joey Graceffa
Yes, a different publisher. This is with HarperCollins, but. Wow. Okay.
[116:28]
Trisha Paytas
The biggest one out there.
[116:29]
Oscar
Is it?
[116:30]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah.
[116:30]
Joey Graceffa
That's the only one I've heard of. Penguin and HarperCollins and then escape the Night will be coming out probably this spring or summer, and then I'm gonna hopefully pitch it and get it made.
[116:42]
Trisha Paytas
That's your goal this year to do?
[116:43]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, I want to get a deal.
[116:45]
Trisha Paytas
And what's is the book? Fiction?
[116:47]
Joey Graceffa
It is. Yeah. It's about witches, actually.
[116:50]
Trisha Paytas
Is Helveca going to be in there?
[116:53]
Joey Graceffa
Say her name.
[116:54]
Trisha Paytas
Right.
[116:54]
Joey Graceffa
Hecate.
[116:55]
Trisha Paytas
Hecate. What did I say?
[116:56]
Joey Graceffa
Helvetica.
[116:58]
Trisha Paytas
That sounds like something from somewhere.
[116:59]
Joey Graceffa
That's a font.
[117:00]
Trisha Paytas
That's a.
[117:01]
Joey Graceffa
A font name. Helvetica.
[117:03]
Oscar
Helvetica.
[117:04]
Trisha Paytas
You're so smart. You act like you're not. You're, like, so smart. Like, how do you know the font of, like, name? It's crazy.
[117:09]
Joey Graceffa
Thank you so much.
[117:10]
Trisha Paytas
Okay, so you're doing the witch's book.
[117:11]
Oscar
Oh, my God.
[117:11]
Trisha Paytas
And that. And then where do you see yourself living? Because you're kind of like. You're like, I might leave.
[117:16]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. I think I'll still be in la, but just focusing on pet content again, launching my brand this year and just, like, really pushing that out.
[117:24]
Trisha Paytas
That's huge.
[117:24]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. Thank you.
[117:25]
Trisha Paytas
That's actually so big. You do. You're very good at. That. Is like, starting. Starting brands are so hard.
[117:30]
Joey Graceffa
It is hard.
[117:31]
Trisha Paytas
Do you have, like, investors, or are you just investing yourself?
[117:33]
Joey Graceffa
Invest in myself, but I'm open to investors, so it's hard to do Mr.
[117:37]
Oscar
Beast, if you want to get into the pet world.
[117:40]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, I'm scared.
[117:40]
Trisha Paytas
Do you like Mr. Beast? What's your thoughts on him?
[117:42]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, it's not really the content I enjoy watching.
[117:47]
Trisha Paytas
Yes.
[117:48]
Joey Graceffa
I think he's really good at what he does, but it's. He seems like a very scary person based off what Rosanna's told me.
[117:55]
Trisha Paytas
I know Rosanna was here when she broke the Mr. Beast news, and I was scared for her. I was like, girl, this is a lot. This is unleashing something.
[118:02]
Joey Graceffa
She's got, like, contact with the FBI.
[118:04]
Trisha Paytas
Now, and, like, hers is intense.
[118:06]
Joey Graceffa
It's crazy.
[118:06]
Trisha Paytas
I see her this Saturday, actually, so have updates. Yeah. Her nephews are the same ages as my daughter, so we're always birthday swapping to together. Yeah, it's pretty fun. Now I see her and that's when I catch up on stuff. But. Oh, my God, Love, Rosanna Queen. Yeah, she's. She's. I love this new rebrand for her. She's like, I'm gonna be. That's what you got to do. You gotta start spilling tea.
[118:23]
Joey Graceffa
I don't have tea to spill, though.
[118:25]
Trisha Paytas
You do.
[118:26]
Oscar
I feel like you do, but you don't know. Cuz I think if we really ask, cuz like I said in the beginning, you are. You were always like, one degree of separation away from the main drama people.
[118:34]
Joey Graceffa
That's so crazy.
[118:35]
Oscar
Yeah. Because you with shame. You were with Trisha, like, at James at one point.
[118:39]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. Colleen. Yeah. Oh, my God.
[118:41]
Oscar
You're with nanny and Laura during that first drama. Getting.
[118:43]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my God. Yeah. Maybe I'm the. Who's the one connecting it?
[118:50]
Trisha Paytas
You are in all the groups. You are miss Glamorazzi.
[118:55]
Oscar
Yes, love.
[118:56]
Trisha Paytas
Where is she? I love.
[118:57]
Joey Graceffa
She's making candles, love. Yeah.
[119:00]
Trisha Paytas
Living New York lesbian life.
[119:01]
Joey Graceffa
I, like, responded to one of her tiktoks, like, just being, like, so supportive and like, being like, oh, my God. Like, you were like, everything, like. And like, she didn't even respond, but her wife did.
[119:13]
Trisha Paytas
Oh.
[119:13]
Oscar
Oh.
[119:14]
Trisha Paytas
I was like, maybe she's not on, maybe she's not online. Like that.
[119:16]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, no, that's true.
[119:17]
Trisha Paytas
They shouldn't block you. That's her gonna say she blocked you or something like that.
[119:20]
Joey Graceffa
I think she unfollowed me, but whatever.
[119:22]
Trisha Paytas
Damn, Shay, I don't want to see this content. I like your content. I like the. What's the one you're doing in, like, the night? It looks like the. It looks like AI, but it's not. What is that? Like. No, Dark fantasy.
[119:30]
Oscar
And the armor.
[119:32]
Trisha Paytas
I love that.
[119:33]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, yes.
[119:33]
Trisha Paytas
But it's not dark fantasy. It's actually you.
[119:35]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[119:36]
Trisha Paytas
What were you doing it for? Just for fun.
[119:37]
Joey Graceffa
Just for fun.
[119:38]
Trisha Paytas
I love.
[119:38]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. I found this photographer. She's amazing, and we rented an armor set and we Just shot in her backyard just for fun.
[119:45]
Trisha Paytas
I love doing those kind of things. It's, like, so fun. Just dress up.
[119:48]
Joey Graceffa
And we both love that.
[119:49]
Trisha Paytas
I didn't know that about you so much back in the day. Really didn't know you, like, love to cosplay.
[119:53]
Oscar
Yes.
[119:54]
Joey Graceffa
I want to get more into it. Like, I want to do some of the Marvel Rivals characters.
[119:58]
Oscar
Yeah, you make your own all the time.
[120:00]
Joey Graceffa
I used to.
[120:01]
Oscar
Yeah.
[120:01]
Trisha Paytas
And yet, well, to source them are so expensive.
[120:03]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[120:04]
Trisha Paytas
Like, the queens from RuPaul, they're always like, we spent $30,000 on Runway looks, and it's like, minimum. Because it's so expensive.
[120:09]
Joey Graceffa
You need to be a guest roach on that.
[120:10]
Trisha Paytas
I would love to. I don't know if they're gonna let me on, but I don't know. I'm. Have we ever talked?
[120:15]
Joey Graceffa
You were on snl, by the way. Congratulations. If you're on snl, you can do anything.
[120:21]
Trisha Paytas
So I love that confidence. That's how I'm feeling this year. I have big dreams.
[120:27]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. But we'll see, because they all come true. So thank you. Keep doing whatever you're doing because it's working.
[120:32]
Trisha Paytas
I mean, you saying you'd have me on Escape the Night movie really just makes my whole life, and I hope it happens. So we're manifesting that I will be on it.
[120:39]
Joey Graceffa
Okay, Guy.
[120:40]
Trisha Paytas
What if I become, like, the Gabby, though, where I'm just, like, so problematic on set?
[120:43]
Joey Graceffa
You know what?
[120:44]
Trisha Paytas
I feel like that could be me sometimes. You know what I mean? I feel like I'm pretty professional, but.
[120:48]
Joey Graceffa
No, I think you are very professional. I mean, you've done several sets. You know how it goes. And.
[120:53]
Trisha Paytas
But food. If I do not get food, I do get a little hangry.
[120:56]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, no, they're definitely.
[120:58]
Oscar
It's definitely your type of food.
[120:59]
Joey Graceffa
For sure.
[121:00]
Trisha Paytas
The food sounded great. I was like, I'll take those peanut butter pretzels all day long. That'll be it. I'm so happy we're all here. It's all good now. That makes me feel so much better. We can never be shady anymore to Joey.
[121:13]
Joey Graceffa
No, you can.
[121:14]
Trisha Paytas
No, we're not. Yeah, we're never shady. It's just more like when Tana brought.
[121:19]
Joey Graceffa
It up on her podcast, I was like, honestly, whatever. Like, she can complain. Like, it's. It's just bringing attention to the project.
[121:26]
Trisha Paytas
So can I ask her about it then? Here?
[121:28]
Joey Graceffa
Sure.
[121:29]
Trisha Paytas
Okay.
[121:29]
Oscar
You brought them up or something? What did you do was.
[121:33]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, she broke her finger.
[121:35]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, really?
[121:36]
Oscar
No.
[121:36]
Trisha Paytas
I can't wait to hear all this.
[121:38]
Joey Graceffa
She did not. She was at an event later that night, so she was clearly fine.
[121:41]
Trisha Paytas
Well, she probably could have got with a broken finger.
[121:43]
Joey Graceffa
No, it was like a her. I don't deny that. Like, her fingernail did get like, bent.
[121:48]
Trisha Paytas
Or whatever, but, like, drama has already started.
[121:53]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, it's.
[121:53]
Trisha Paytas
So can you please tell Jojo I'm nice? I feel like she thinks I don't like her. We like her. I always am. Like, I actually like JoJo. I try to give her constructive criticism.
[122:02]
Oscar
She did get banned from doing Jojo's podcast. Jojo Siwa now? Yeah, that's the one up there with Candace Owens and Candace Cameron and Trisha.
[122:11]
Trisha Paytas
Paytas cannot be on my podcast. She's like, damn, I'm nice to her. I'm literally just like, girl. Like, let's. Let's think about what we're saying sometimes. But I like her music. I like her. So next time you see her, if.
[122:20]
Oscar
You could put the good word in.
[122:22]
Trisha Paytas
I feel for her. I like her. I think she's camping.
[122:25]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah. And she's so smart. She knows exactly what she's doing. Like, to get eyes on her. And she. I mean, since she was like a kid, she's been a businesswoman. Like, she knows how to. I do what she's doing.
[122:38]
Trisha Paytas
Jojo, we love you. Please come on the podcast.
[122:40]
Joey Graceffa
That would be everything. I want to see that.
[122:42]
Trisha Paytas
Are you doing anything for pride this year? I saw the Rainbow Birkin.
[122:46]
Joey Graceffa
It is the. It's the ten year reunion or anniversary of. Oh, have you hanging out. Yeah, you should.
[122:52]
Trisha Paytas
I'm. I'm going to perform at one of the prides this year. I'm performing at World Pride, so you should come perform the song.
[122:57]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my God. Don't wait for the ones I'll lip sync. Oh, my God.
[123:01]
Trisha Paytas
You can sing live. You're still singing.
[123:02]
Joey Graceffa
I have the craziest story.
[123:04]
Trisha Paytas
What?
[123:04]
Joey Graceffa
Do we still have time?
[123:05]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, we have time. Yes. Go.
[123:08]
Joey Graceffa
This was like 2014. I was at Vidcon and already a great start. And my manager at the time got approached by someone who was visiting Vidcon. It was like this family, this rich family who had a club in Beverly Hills and they had like these young daughters who were huge fans of mine. And they're like, they want you to come to this birthday party and just attend and hang out with the kids. And I was like, okay, how much are we talking? She's like $10,000 for just being there for an hour. I was like, period.
[123:40]
Trisha Paytas
Whoa.
[123:41]
Joey Graceffa
Yes, I will be there.
[123:42]
Trisha Paytas
I'll Sing Happy Birthday.
[123:44]
Joey Graceffa
So we go there. It's like this basement club space. It's very strange to have like these 8 to 12 year old daughters there at this club. And it's just like this family's like friends. So it's like all these adults and we're at the bottom of this basement club and I just start playing games with the girls. We're playing like, what's the bean boozle? The bean boozled challenge. And my manager comes up to me and she's like, they want you to sing for the girls.
[124:15]
Trisha Paytas
Love.
[124:16]
Joey Graceffa
I do not sing live. What do you mean don't sing live? I have to be produced. Like it has to be like go through like the autotune melody.
[124:23]
Trisha Paytas
Sing.
[124:24]
Joey Graceffa
No.
[124:24]
Trisha Paytas
So what did you sing? Don't Wait.
[124:26]
Joey Graceffa
No, this was before Don't Wait.
[124:27]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, you're straight.
[124:28]
Joey Graceffa
This is when I had Anna son and like some other songs. Colorful whatnot. And so I was like, all right, I'm gonna lip sync. And so I'm like, I'm this far away from the girls. They play the music and the girls are just looking up at me and I hear one of lip syncing and she's like, he sounds so good to each other, period. Lip sync for my life. Who was playing was on the speakers of the club.
[125:00]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, that's pretty dope actually then because you could have sang with it.
[125:04]
Joey Graceffa
I did not.
[125:04]
Trisha Paytas
Why did you say with it?
[125:06]
Joey Graceffa
Who knows that they were recording? Couldn't have that.
[125:09]
Trisha Paytas
But there was no TikTok back then. It probably would have got you fire off. Can you not sing?
[125:13]
Joey Graceffa
I am so self conscious. I will not sing in front of anyone in the car.
[125:17]
Trisha Paytas
That's the craziest thing to have music videos anyway and not sing well because it's so produced.
[125:21]
Joey Graceffa
Well, not so produced, but it's like.
[125:23]
Trisha Paytas
Yeah, but even so, everyone kind of knows that even like JoJo sings so differently live. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like everyone does. Yeah, I definitely do. I definitely am just like screeching so loud. But I guess that's true.
[125:33]
Oscar
I never have heard you sing, I guess.
[125:35]
Trisha Paytas
Can you sing a little about it in our outro? Can you sing a little out for us? No. You can. You won't say anything?
[125:41]
Joey Graceffa
Never.
[125:42]
Trisha Paytas
What's a Joey song? We love.
[125:44]
Oscar
We love.
[125:44]
Trisha Paytas
Don't we wait, don't wait is going to destroy my life.
[125:47]
Oscar
Oh, yeah.
[125:48]
Trisha Paytas
Okay. Don't wait. Do you know the words? Ready? Go wait for the world to be ready.
[125:54]
Oscar
Lip Sy.
[125:55]
Trisha Paytas
Who says you can explore? Who says you can Explore don't wait for the world to be ready Find what you're looking for Find what you're looking for.
[126:12]
Joey Graceffa
Copyright. I will be monetizing this now.
[126:16]
Oscar
This copyright show.
[126:19]
Joey Graceffa
That song eats.
[126:20]
Trisha Paytas
That song eats. It's so good. Check out Joey Graceffa's music video, Don't Wait. It's one of our favorite 10 years old.
[126:27]
Joey Graceffa
10 year anniversary. 10 year anniversary.
[126:29]
Trisha Paytas
And that's a good message to all our viewers. Don't wait to come out.
[126:32]
Joey Graceffa
Do wait.
[126:33]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, do wait.
[126:34]
Joey Graceffa
That's the sequel coming out this year.
[126:37]
Trisha Paytas
Do you remember? Had a book called It Gets Worse. And I was like, that's so crazy. Yeah, don't wait. But yeah, I guess. Wait I guess for a safe space to come out. I guess if you're not in a safe space, you know. But we love a coming out story. I wonder if they'll still do well on YouTube if someone did coming out anymore.
[126:50]
Joey Graceffa
People don't care.
[126:51]
Oscar
Everyone's a little queer these days.
[126:53]
Trisha Paytas
So true. Crazy people should come out as straight. I think that's more shocking. Someone told me recently they're straight and I was like, what? Yeah, there's craziness when people tell you they're like, have a girlfriend or something and you're like, sis. What? Like, that's crazy. But anyways. All right. Any final words for our.
[127:10]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my gosh. Viewers, thank you so much for having me.
[127:13]
Trisha Paytas
I truly think you're like one of the most special humans that you're doing that for your dogs. Like, that's actually.
[127:18]
Joey Graceffa
That's crazy.
[127:19]
Trisha Paytas
No, seriously, like, who does that? It's like so crazy when you're telling those stories. I was actually kind of like, that's wild. And I think you're doing like a really good thing and you're thinking really good. Karma points for that. And your spirit guide. What's her name again?
[127:29]
Joey Graceffa
Hecate.
[127:29]
Trisha Paytas
Hecate. I'm sure she's very proud of you.
[127:31]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah.
[127:31]
Trisha Paytas
Oh, thanks. And yeah. And I feel like she's here with us. I can tell you I love you.
[127:35]
Joey Graceffa
Oh, my God.
[127:36]
Oscar
Thank you for my cat and my dog because I also got a cat from Joey. Yeah.
[127:39]
Joey Graceffa
So what was her name?
[127:41]
Oscar
Beth. Beth.
[127:42]
Joey Graceffa
Beth. Did you tell Beth the craziest names that he comes up with?
[127:45]
Trisha Paytas
What was the other one?
[127:46]
Oscar
Winnie is my dog.
[127:47]
Joey Graceffa
That's a cute name.
[127:49]
Trisha Paytas
They sound like children, Beth and Winnie, but I love it. I think it's Joey's just providing so much for all of us and we love that. And Joey, check out his breeding channel. Is it breeding? No, I don't know. Is that a bad thing? I don't know.
[128:01]
Oscar
What is it?
[128:02]
Joey Graceffa
Rescue.
[128:03]
Trisha Paytas
Okay, check out. Sorry. I'll get it. We'll keep it in. Jimmy, check out Joey's Rescue Channel. Literally doing breeding is.
[128:12]
Oscar
Yeah, his breeding channel. Maybe one day, but for right now.
[128:18]
Trisha Paytas
Is it legal?
[128:19]
Joey Graceffa
No, it's not illegal.
[128:20]
Trisha Paytas
Okay. All right. We're talking.
[128:21]
Oscar
The gays are talking about the gay.
[128:22]
Joey Graceffa
Yeah, we're talking about.
[128:24]
Trisha Paytas
I don't even know that. I feel like I'm pretty hip with gay lingo. I never heard of breeding before. That's crazy.
[128:28]
Joey Graceffa
It's a different video.
[128:30]
Trisha Paytas
Thank you, Joe and Graceffa for being here and also giving me Oscar. I guess you got the cats. I got Oscar. Full circle moment. I can't wait for Escape the Night movie starring me. Yay.
[128:42]
Joey Graceffa
Coming soon.
[128:43]
Trisha Paytas
Bye, guys. See you soon.