Dec 09, 2025

Summary

Just Trish Podcast – December 9, 2025

Host: Trisha Paytas
Co-host: Oscar Gracey
Special Guests: Dr. Evan Anton (veterinarian, wildlife conservationist), Moses, Reptile Family (local animal educators)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Just Trish" is equal parts hilarious pop culture rundown and enlightening animal conservation class. Trisha, Oscar, and Moses swap takes on celebrity headlines, streaming drama, viral internet moments, and awards season chaos. Then, the mood shifts: Dr. Evan Anton and the Reptile Family bring a menagerie of live animals into the studio, using the second hour for hands-on animal education—from snakes to tarantulas, tortoises, and lizards. The discussion covers topics like rhino conservation, overconsumption, influencer culture’s effect on the environment, and deep dives on animal welfare, all delivered in Trish’s signature unfiltered, comedic voice.

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Key Topics and Discussion Points

1. Pop Culture & Internet Drama

• Awards Season & Snubs (10:00–18:00; 55:00–59:00)
  • Recap of recent award nominations (Golden Globes, Critics Choice) and the “Grindr” end-of-year winners.
  • Trisha laments not being nominated for podcast awards while Oscar predicts "2026 is a Trisha sweep" because "you'll have Euphoria under your belt" (09:02).
  • Commentary on Zendaya's award history and potential for more wins.
• Celebrity Gossip & Viral Moments
  • Actors on Actors: Clumsy interview moment between David Corenswet & Jonathan Bailey, with a discussion of masculinity in media (10:44–15:37).
  • Quentin Tarantino's "things I hate" podcast tirade: Criticism of Matthew Lillard, Paul Dano, Owen Wilson, and Hunger Games vs. Battle Royale (46:53–54:10).
• Streaming and Podcast Culture
  • Dissection of the Streamer Awards—hosted by QT Cinderella—and its awkward moments, production chaos, and industry significance (61:44–72:25).
  • Reflections on the evolution of internet creators, “old” vs. “new” YouTube/Twitch personalities, and the economics of live-streaming as a business.

2. Culture of Overconsumption & Influencer Critique (75:41–90:00)

• Trisha gets candid about her own history with “overconsuming” (bling cups, luxury bags), then deep-dives why influencer excess—like Michaela’s Chanel bag wall or Jaclyn Hill’s Stanley cup collection—hits differently in today’s economy.
  • “I think we just also need to stop showing wealth…even spending money now on things that are just on me and not for the greater good, it feels weird.” (77:24)
• Discussion on the environmental impact of influencer-driven consumption and landfill waste.
• A plea for “conscious consuming,” supporting local businesses, and being more mindful, especially as economic and climate realities worsen.
  • “Conscious consuming. That was beautiful, you guys.” (97:14)
• Commentary on the practical implications: rising inflation, food insecurity, and how social media algorithms further disconnect influencers from these realities.

3. Guest Segment: Dr. Evan Anton & Live Animal Education (102:27–169:46)

(Segment starts ~1:42:00)

• Meet Dr. Evan Anton
  • Instagram-famous veterinarian, three-time People Magazine's "Sexiest Vet Alive," and host of Evan Goes Wild on Animal Planet.
  • Shares journey into vet medicine, wildlife fieldwork, and celebrity via viral social outreach.
• Wildlife Conservation
  • Deep dive into rhino conservation, explaining rhino dehorning’s role in anti-poaching strategies.
    • “We trim the horns...it’s a bummer, but it’s proven to be so successful compared to anything else.” (123:04)
  • The multi-million dollar black market for rhino horn; politics and danger of anti-poaching work.
    • “[Poaching] is a war in Africa…more people have died in the poaching war than Americans did in the Iraq war.” (126:03)
• Live Animal Experience
  • Tarantulas: “There’s no tarantula that’s dangerously venomous…they’re really neat animals, they play their role.” (127:53)
  • Snakes: Sheds myths about aggression, demonstrates safe snake handling—"When a snake’s just casually exploring, they're not backing away from you.” (134:46)
  • Lizards (Red Tegu): Proper handling; evolutionary insights; alligator/crocodile encounters.
  • Tortoises and Turtles: Animal lifespans, habitats, importance of ethical education, and how to encourage respect rather than fear for misunderstood creatures.
• Ethical Wildlife Encounters
  • Clear distinction between responsible, accredited zoos and exploitative roadside or foreign animal encounters.
  • Explanation of why most wildlife tourism (e.g., elephant rides, animal selfies abroad) is unethical.
    • “For the most part…it’s not the best interest of the animals or the species as a whole.” (115:58)
• Adoption over Shopping for Exotic Pets
  • “Do your research…the patients I see as a vet are often because people weren’t doing something they should have been doing.” (168:32)
• Engagement & Accessibility
  • Both Trish and Oscar face animal-handling fears, encourage normalizing comfort with animals for kids and adults.
  • Importance of exposure during childhood: “The more you expose them at younger ages, it can play such a big role in their life.” (131:29)

4. Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

On Awards & Pop Culture

• Oscar: “2026 is our year. It’s a Tricia sweep. Because you’ll have Euphoria under your belt as well. So you can sneak into the acting categories.” (09:02)
• Trish (on Gaga): “I’m not in my Gaga phase yet, but I do know I’m gonna. It’s too soon for me to like her.” (06:47)
• Trish: “We weren’t even close [to a podcast award].” (05:44)

On Overconsumption & Influencer Culture

• Trish: “Even seeing Michaela’s black…all those black Chanels. I paused. I had to show Moses. 30 quilted black Chanels…It made me feel bad, and I…You know what I mean?” (84:42)
• Oscar, on Jaclyn Hill: “When she’s asking, ‘Why aren’t I getting views?’, it’s like, well, we just don’t relate to your content anymore.” (87:01)

On Rhino Conservation

• Dr. Evan Anton: “One horn could be like upwards of a million dollars…And it’s just keratin, same material as fingernails and hair.” (121:04)
• Dr. Evan Anton: “More people have died in the poaching war in Africa than Americans did in the Iraq war.” (126:03)

On Handling Animals and Overcoming Fear

• Trish: “We rescue spiders in this house. If there’s a spider, we take them outside.” (130:37)
• Dr. Evan Anton: “I have a soft spot for misunderstood animals…These are really neat animals, and they have their role.” (136:43)
• Trish: “Well, you’re really comfortable. You’re not showing any outward signs that you’re scared.” (152:44)

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Notable Segments with Timestamps

• Awards/Social Media Culture: 05:04–18:00; 55:00–59:00
• Tarantino Takedowns: 46:53–54:10
• Discussing Overconsumption & Consumerism: 75:41–90:00
• Dr. Evan Anton Interview / Animal Education Hour: 102:27–169:46
  • Rhino Conservation Deep Dive: 120:08–126:57
  • Handing Tarantulas: 127:29–131:45
  • Handling Snakes: 133:43–137:17
  • Handling Red Tegu/Komodo lizard: 142:30–150:00
  • Handling Tortoises/Turtles: 155:53–165:48

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Tone & Style

• Classic Trish: Unfiltered, self-deprecating, and unexpectedly heartfelt—balancing viral gossip with sincere lessons.
• Oscar: Dry wit, deep pop knowledge, and journalistic insight; comfortable with both shade and sincerity.
• Animal hour: Enthusiastic, detailed, optimistic, with a focus on education and real-world actionable takeaways.

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Conclusion

This "Just Trish" episode is a perfect microcosm of modern internet culture: rapid-fire gossip, award show drama, biting influencer critique, and a pivot to thoughtful, real-world education. Beyond its laughs, it delivers clear takeaways on mindful consumption, animal welfare, and personal growth—from pop culture’s frontlines to the wilds of animal conservation. Dr. Evan Anton’s passionate, engaging presence (accompanied by live snakes, tarantulas, and tortoises) turns what could have been a meme episode into something unexpectedly informative and inspiring.

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Listener Tip:

• If you want more in-depth animal stories and conservation talk, jump to [1:42:00] (Dr. Evan arrives).
• For the best cringe/funny pop culture moments, see [10:00–18:00, 46:53–54:10, 61:44–72:25].
• The conversation on influencer overconsumption and environmental fallout is at [75:41–90:00].

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Final Takeaway:
Be more mindful—about what you buy, post, and promote—and remember, “conscious consuming” is always in style. And if you meet Trish, let her hold your tortoise.

Transcript

[Trish]

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[Dr. Evan Anton]

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[Trish]

We're all doomed.

[Oscar]

Okay, well, I don't know if you should.

[Trish]

Yeah, I think so.

[Oscar]

Fanfam went up to, like, the phase table, and she's like, oh, here's the homophobic table. Or is it the misogynist table? I forget.

[Trish]

Ooh, what does this want?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

This is a red tegu.

[Trish]

Is this a crocolia?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

No, this is a lizard. This is a lizard species. Oh, we talked about this.

[Trish]

What if it's a gay snake? He can't just have sex for fun.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I don't know.

[Trish]

Her name is Trish. She's got the additional gossip filthy rich hot topic queen and says what everybody thinks. She's just Trish.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yay.

[Trish]

Hello, and welcome to the Just Trish podcast. Today we have a very educational episode for you. Very educational. You laugh, but it's. It's educational. I've been educating myself over the weekend. Like, watch out. I know. I. I know why. Back in the day, they wanted to keep women from reading books. Because once we know things, unstoppable. Just wait till I drop some knowledge on you today, Oscar, which I'm sure you already know, but I felt so smart. I was like, what books were you reading? Well, I wasn't reading books. I was reading encyclopedias online. And online. It's like, not Wikipedia, but an online encyclopedia.

[Oscar]

Wow.

[Trish]

I don't trust Wikipedia. I think they get stuff wrong. Even mine is like, okay, who I think. Anyways, I love encyclopedias. I've been reading up on the ocean because I'm like, okay, but why does it matter if our oceans get polluted? Oh, I can tell you today's gonna be educational for Everybody, we're gonna be talking about pollution, oceans, overconsumption and rhino conservation. And I'm excited for all of it. And I have a surprise. Not really a surprise. What kind of a surprise? But before we get into all that. And we have really good sponsors today. Oh, my God, it's amazing. Before we get into all that, Trishmas Live is going to the east coast. We're going to be in Newark, New Jersey, Washington, D.C. and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I'm very excited. We're actually adding a couple new songs into the show. You know, everyone's been loving Trishmas and, you know, whenever I hear some feedback, like, I want more songs, more songs are coming for you guys. I'm very excited. I have something very, very special planned for Vancouver, which is our last show, December 21st or 22nd. I don't know. It's somewhere there. It's a. Something exciting is happening there. So come see us. Trishmas Live. Get your tickets today. I still do headshots. Sign headshots every month on patreon.com justtrish me and Oscar up there, just doing extended podcasts with Moses. And then me and Oscar do bonus ones. They're so much fun. What did we do last week? We did some fun.

[Oscar]

We reacted to Escape the Night. Yep.

[Trish]

That was good.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Moses]

You don't wanna miss that.

[Oscar]

No, that's. I mean, it's the culmination of a whole years with the drama.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

So.

[Oscar]

Yeah, we really had a. You know, just tie a little ribbon around it.

[Trish]

Yeah. So we won't say anymore. Do we like it? Do we not go, say, go to Patreon and find out. And, you know, just moving and shaking.

[Moses]

Everybody did ask where they can get these, but it's limited. Merch.

[Trish]

Merch. At the show, Trishmas was lit. We had a good Trishmas. Oscar made an appearance.

[Moses]

Yes.

[Trish]

How do you feel about.

[Oscar]

Was a little crazy, but it was crazy.

[Moses]

Yeah, it was gnarly.

[Oscar]

It was. It was gnarly for sure.

[Trish]

The cats. I feel like you're being sponsored by Cat's Eye. You did a whole. Not as one. You did a whole month. Like, what song should we sing? You're like, let's do every Cat's Eye song ever. I loved it, though. Your cat's eyes coming here to L. A this weekend, right?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Yep.

[Oscar]

I'll be. I'll be there.

[Trish]

They looked good. They were up in San Francisco. We were in San Francisco and my makeup artist went with her daughter. She was like, so funny. She's like. Because she's traveling this week, and she was, oh, my daughter, like, loves cat's eye. And then they ended up going. I was like, my makeup's on. Just go. During my show. And they did. And they said it was, like, so much fun. I saw the. I think it was someone's birthday. Someone had an 18th birthday.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Yunche turned 18. They're so young.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I know.

[Oscar]

They're babies.

[Trish]

They look so good. They were showing me videos and, oh, my gosh. They just dance amazing. They sing like they. Like true pop stars.

[Oscar]

I know. I'm so excited for that. I'm so excited to see them. And I have my meet and greetings. I have to figure out my outfit. What's my.

[Trish]

What do you wear?

[Oscar]

30 seconds with them. Like, what do I say? Come on. Just. Trish. Bye. Like, I think that's.

[Trish]

I think that's all.

[Moses]

I can say it over and over again for 30 seconds.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Can I tell you, I'm the worst at meet and greets? Because I'm literally just like. I just. I spew just so much. I'm just like.

[Oscar]

And you're a fast talker. You get a lot in there.

[Trish]

Donnie asked me every time I see him, like, oh, you were like my dad growing up when I was 16. I just like to tell him so much. I'm like, he's probably like, oh, my God. Yeah. What are you going to say? You haven't thought about it?

[Oscar]

I really got to, like, think it through. I need, like, my talking points.

[Trish]

Yeah, you're good at coming up with those. Write your own notes.

[Moses]

Congratulate them for being girl group of the year for Grinder.

[Trish]

Oh, wow. They got something right.

[Oscar]

Yes. Finally.

[Moses]

Finally, they get all of them right. It's quite amazing.

[Oscar]

Well, they didn't get the podcast right.

[Trish]

Yeah. What? What do you mean? We weren't even close.

[Moses]

Well, there wasn't. I didn't see the podcast in here, but.

[Trish]

Oh, there was no best podcast. There was. There was no.

[Moses]

I didn't see it, but I saw, you know, like, Pedro Pascal is daddy of the year.

[Oscar]

Okay. He always dad.

[Moses]

And then hottest man of the year, you have Jonathan Bailey.

[Trish]

We did Took people's nachos. They're like, we're just gonna actually get the same person.

[Moses]

They listen to us. And then the fashion trend is the little glasses, which, again, glasses.

[Trish]

That makes sense.

[Moses]

Of course. Mother of the year, Lady Gaga. Everything music is Lady Gaga.

[Oscar]

Oh, well, yeah.

[Moses]

She has, like, 10 of them now. I understand Jimmy.

[Trish]

It's Jimmy and Tony and, like, everyone, like, Literally, I would say 8 out of the 10 gays around me are just, like, obsessed and, like, they don't know each other. Like Jimmy and Tony. But, like. Like, Tony has giant Lady Gaga tattoos on his arms. Like, he's like, does. And Jimmy obviously, too. Jimmy doesn't mess around. Even whatever song he said we did shallow, but he did another song, and I'm like, what? What is that song? Did you know it? The one he said?

[Oscar]

I think I didn't hear what he said, but I think it was something off of. Because he was talking about it later. And I think it was something off of Mayhem, but I couldn't hear which one.

[Trish]

I thought it was, like, an unreleased track or something. Anyways. No, but rightfully so. Look, I'm not in my Gaga phase yet, but I do know I'm gonna. It's gonna happen. Yeah, it's too soon. It is. It's way too soon for me to like her. You're right. The Glee episode has gotten me into it a little bit, so I think it's getting there. That makes sense.

[Moses]

And you have Mother in training, Sabrina Carpenter.

[Trish]

Wow. Wow, that's a big title.

[Moses]

Doll of the year, Jinx Monsoon.

[Trish]

Oh, yeah. Well, Jinx wins everything in my heart.

[Moses]

Housewife of the Year, Angie. I don't know. Okay, skip that. Shout out. Angie. Girl, girl, girl. With the Cuti Gay gasp. Beyonce winning album of the year.

[Trish]

Did she win album of the year this year?

[Moses]

Yeah, the country one.

[Oscar]

Yeah, that was just this year, Cowboy Carter. Yeah, well, it came out last year, but the Grammys were in February.

[Trish]

Yeah, I don't even know.

[Moses]

Okay, Best beef, Cardi B and Nicki Minaj.

[Trish]

Okay. Oh, I love that you're on the.

[Moses]

Comedian of the Year, Caleb Heron. I mean, they got a lot of things.

[Trish]

Yeah, I watched his special on the plane.

[Moses]

And the best wig, Cardi B. In the Cor.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I can agree with that.

[Trish]

They didn't have their podcast. Maybe they canceled it when they found out how. Yes, yes. My tweet.

[Moses]

Show of the year. Overcompensating.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trish]

Kind of wild.

[Moses]

So many things. Album is Mayhem, song is Abracadabra.

[Oscar]

Lady Gaga. Slap the Grinder.

[Moses]

Music video. Abracadabra.

[Oscar]

Wow.

[Moses]

Lady G. Comeback. Queen Kesha.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Word.

[Oscar]

Okay, congrats, K. That's it.

[Moses]

And the last one, of course, Tour of the year, Lady Gaga. Wow.

[Trish]

I thought you were literally gonna say me, because the way you said that.

[Moses]

Was like, of course.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

The last one is Gamer of the Year, Dan and Phil.

[Trish]

What?

[Moses]

Okay.

[Oscar]

Yeah, Dan and Phil.

[Trish]

How do you feel about that as a fan of gamers?

[Moses]

As a gamer, I think Dan and.

[Oscar]

Fellow had a big year. No, I mean, like, every year.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Oh, I guess.

[Trish]

As far as gay gamers.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Is there any other ones?

[Oscar]

There's tons of gay gamers, for sure. Yeah.

[Trish]

My favorite one, honestly, the winner of my heart. Okay. I don't know. Wow.

[Oscar]

Well, congrats to all the winners.

[Moses]

They get. It's right. It's pretty good.

[Trish]

Yeah. They did respond and they said, we're sorry. They apologize.

[Oscar]

Accountability.

[Trish]

Yeah. Like, we're sorry. We love you. I was like, all right, well, we'll be campaigning.

[Oscar]

We'll campaign it. Yeah. 2026 is our year. It's a. 2026 is a tricia sweep. Because you'll have Euphoria under your belt as well. So you can sneak into the. Yeah, the acting categories.

[Trish]

Oh, I'm gonna sneak in there in so many categories. You're right. I have. There's a lot. There's a lot coming up. Maybe. Euphoria ever win Emmys?

[Oscar]

Yeah. Zendaya made history because she won best actress twice for Euphoria, and she made history as.

Like, what was the history?

[Trish]

How do you. How do you win twice for the same show?

[Oscar]

Two different seasons?

[Trish]

Same show in the same year?

[Oscar]

No, it was back to back. But she was, like, the youngest black actress to. Oh, yeah. To win best actress twice. Yeah.

[Trish]

That's everything. She should probably win again, season three.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

She probably could win, like, at the Golden Globes, where they have, like, movies too. She probably could win for, like, movie.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Because 2026 is huge for. I think she has, like, three films coming out, so she definitely has.

[Trish]

Crazy.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Release a song while you're at a girl.

[Trish]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

Really get the whole gambit.

[Trish]

Yeah, I love that.

[Oscar]

Me too.

[Trish]

Zendaya, if you're listening.

John the Bailey and your man, David Corn sweat.

[Oscar]

Oof. Actors on actors.

[Trish]

Did you have it as a hot topic or. No, I did. I just saw it now, and I was like, oh, no. I saw a tweet we love. The only reason I love Twitter is gay Twitter. Like, honestly, like, they. They know it, but they're, like, not like, someone just going from, like, so well loved, like, fall from grace and.

[Oscar]

Like, toy of the month, too. Yeah. Yeah.

[Trish]

Rough.

[Oscar]

Yes, it was rough.

[Trish]

That's your. That's your man.

[Oscar]

That is my man. I was really a part of the. That Superman campaign. I wanted to pick apples with him in Papa's Orchard.

[Trish]

Papa's Orchard. What is that? Oh, my gosh. That Sounds crazy. Okay. Papa's Orchard.

[Oscar]

Why would Jimmy just play the clip for context instead of me summarizing it? Put it here, Jimmy.

[Trish]

Do you see it, Moses?

[Moses]

No.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

You fly in this movie. We both kiss levitating you somehow in that moment when she's lifting you by.

[Oscar]

Your arms, I think.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Or like, your massive arms, you somehow maintained your masculinity and your. Your. I don't know. It was just. It was amazing.

[Oscar]

That moment when she flies you in that song.

[Trish]

Oh, my gosh. But, yeah, I was so excited. I was so excited for this one, too. It was a gay.

[Oscar]

A gay fantasy. David, corn sweat and Jonathan Bailey. Like, could it get any better? I thought, no.

[Trish]

Wow.

[Oscar]

But David had to go and make a odd. He asked the odd question about, like, the way that Jonathan Bailey was able to still look masculine while kissing Cynthia Erivo, even though she was the one that was, like, carrying them in the air.

[Trish]

Right.

[Oscar]

Superman's kiss. Clark Kent is the one that's holding Lois Lane. So that was, like, the juxtaposition.

And Jonathan Bailey's face kind of said it all. I made the same face. He was gagged. He was. Didn't really know how to pivot from there.

[Trish]

He pivots, though.

[Oscar]

He does.

[Trish]

Bailey is the best person at interview. Like. Like giving an interview because he. He's very smooth. He very made it, like, not awkward. Don't they pre approve these questions? I felt like someone gave them questions. Now they can just ask whatever they want.

[Oscar]

I think some, as far as I know from, like, past of the past shoots, they come up. Some of them come up. Some of the actors come up with their own questions, and they're also given some as well. So it's a little bit of, like, freestyle and loose, loosely produced.

[Trish]

To me, it sounded like almost someone, like, produced this, but, like, missed it because I kind of, like, understood what he was saying. Like, not the masculine part. Like, because Jonathan got excited when he's like, yes, we both levitated and kissed. You know what I mean? Like, love that angle because, like, oh, my God, so great. But then, like, the way I kind.

[Oscar]

Of feel, like David freestyle a little bit with the masculine part. That's. That's my own takeaway.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And I don't even think I. Because David is also, like, a theater kid. Like, he's been around, like, girls and gays. Like, he's done musical theater for so long. Like, I think it was just worded so clumsily and so awkward. And I think he could have, like, asked it a lot better because I think it is true, right? Like, I think societally, the concept of, like, the man being the one that's, like, you know, carried off, like, people would think of that as, like, less masculine, but he really. I think David emphasized it way too much. He's like, yeah, like, you really pulled it off. But, like, if anyone else was doing that, like, they would look like a little sissy boy. But, yeah, you looked really masculine when you were floating. Yeah, it was just like, that's my dramatic interpretation.

[Trish]

But.

Yeah, that was.

[Oscar]

It was just a little. Little awkward. But I still. I still have space in my heart for David. Yeah, I do. I do. I. This isn't ready for me to fully, like, kick him off my roster because he is sweet and everything else I've seen and.

[Trish]

But what about the anime? Should we kiss? Was that not a lot of ick.

[Oscar]

I thought that was. He gives me. I just. I know straight guys like David Corn and Sweat, so I'm a little biased. Like, I feel like he thinks that he's being, like, a really good, like, friend and, like, a good. Like, I'm down with the gays. Like, I feel like he's giving that energy. And I know straight guys like that.

[Trish]

Like, it's different if he, like, like, knew or thought Jonathan Bailey had, like, a crush on him or, you know, I mean, like, you with Ted Niffes and stuff. Like, should we kiss? You might be like, okay. But, like, there's no prior connection and correlation to that. Jonathan Bailey wanting that from him.

[Oscar]

He's like, you're clocking. No, you're clocking. I wouldn't go, you know, to the stand for David Korns, but, like, if someone wanted to make that argument, I would have to, like, step aside and let it happen. Like, I wouldn't put my life on the line. That's. I personally, as. And I'm also very biased because also in my head, David Corn Sweat and Ted Nivison are very similar. I don't know why I think that's something else.

[Trish]

Because you like them both. People think they're both cute and big. You would levitate, would you? Who would you rather levitate with? Would you rather be holding Jonathan Bailey's strong arms or would you rather be held in David Corn Sweats?

[Moses]

Well, I think we know the answer. Ted.

[Oscar]

Yeah, sure.

[Moses]

I'll take you. Him or Ted?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Who?

[Moses]

Or Ted.

The other Superman.

[Trish]

Oh, well, definitely. No, I know Ted is his number one. Like, I know there's not anything above Ted, but of the two actors on Actors, I was Just thinking.

[Oscar]

That is really hard. That is kind of like a Sophie's Choice, really.

[Trish]

Okay. Because I didn't know you stand Jonathan Bailey like that.

[Oscar]

No, I love Jonathan Bailey.

[Moses]

To have Superman do it. You know what I mean?

[Trish]

Just that I disagree. I'd much rather be the witch. That's just, like, lifting us up. You know what I mean? It's so powerful. I don't want.

[Oscar]

See, that's what I'm thinking, too. Like, I feel like.

I feel like I would rather be with John. Like, be the one, like, the Elphaba, like, being the one to levitate Jonathan Bailey. I feel like I like that too. Power dynamic.

[Trish]

And I have to correct him when I say because, like, Jonathan Bailey, like, holding, like, okay, like a. A female holding, like, a male. I think it is. It's like wearing pink. I think there's something even more masculine about it because that means they're, like, safe and, like, they're who they are. Their masculinity also like that. When in British. In season two, Kate holds Anthony a lot. She, like, like. Actually, I think it's season three. He's, like, laying on her and she's, like, holding him like this. And I thought there was, like, nothing more masculine than that. You know what I mean? Because he's kind of just, like, also, like, letting her, you know, it's not like, oh, you're mine. You're my possession. You know what I mean? It's like, guys do that. I feel like a little bit, okay, I'm not your property. Get off me. But when a girl does it and a guy lets it, I think that's very masculine. I think it's very hot. And I think that with that, too. It's like, as it should be. I don't know. I don't know why I don't. It run me the wrong way. It run me the wrong way in a really bad way, too. I was like, oh, I don't like this guy. I know you, like, love him, so I feel like you being a little giddy, but I was like, I don't think. I think you're the opposite of masculine for saying. I think even watching Superman, I'm not gonna lie. I did watch it. Not my cup of tea. I know, I know. We're on the dc.

[Oscar]

You're on the dc.

[Trish]

We're on the dc. But I think, no to Superman. You know what I mean? I don't know. Maybe that's just me. How about you? Who would you rather be held. Rather hold Jonathan Bailey or be Held by Superman or Viro, I should say.

[Moses]

I would want to be Superman. I would want to be Superman.

[Trish]

Oh, you want to hold.

[Moses]

So I guess that would be Alphabet in that sense.

[Oscar]

What he wants to be the cuz.

[Moses]

In this option, it's either Superman is holding you or you Alphabet holding somebody else. I'll be Alphabet holding somebody else.

[Trish]

Oh, I thought you wanted to be Superman.

[Moses]

But that's not in the option.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Really.

[Moses]

Cuz then I'm taking his place.

[Trish]

I see. So you want to.

[Moses]

In this scenario, it's like either he's holding you or you holding somebody.

[Trish]

He likes the holding. I like the holding too. So we're going to have flying. Yeah, I guess. You don't really let me hold you that much. I really want to.

[Moses]

What do you mean hold you? How would you hold me?

[Trish]

Like. Like how he is. Like Bridgerton, where you, like, lay on me sometimes.

[Moses]

No, usually you lay on me. No, because that's. Usually you're the one that will fall asleep.

[Trish]

Well, that's different. Falling asleep. All right, I'm holding you tonight. I like it. This is the problem. This is the problem right here with men. They just are like, no, I need to be the one holding. I'm going to hold you. Nice. Yeah, it feels. I should be. I feel like the one who has the more. More width, more girth should be the one doing the whole thing. You know, my boobs might get in the way, but whatever. That was weird. Ariana Grande and Adam Sandler, actors on accident. You watch that?

[Oscar]

I did, yeah.

[Trish]

Did you watch? All those are like, do I watch? But there. More.

[Oscar]

I think there' releasing them one at a time.

But I did see that. I mean, the two I was most excited about were Jonathan and David and Adam Sandler and Ari.

[Trish]

Yeah. Like, I didn't. Is there anybody else doing them?

[Oscar]

There's a lot of other people doing it. Yeah.

[Trish]

I haven't heard about anyone else.

[Oscar]

Sydney Sweeney is doing one with Amanda Se. No.

Ethan Hawk and Alexander Skarsgard is doing one with Stellan Scarsgard, his dad. So there's a few. There's a few that are still coming out.

[Trish]

Stellan. What's he on? Okay. Because there isn't like a Bill Skarsgard for Mamma Mia.

[Oscar]

Bill Skarsgard is Alex Skarsgard's brother. And Bill Skarsgard is that last name is. Yeah.

[Trish]

Everywhere.

[Moses]

No, just the actual. When he says hate it. There's an actual name?

[Trish]

Well, yes. Aren't they Swedish or something?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Is it one word?

[Oscar]

Yes.

His dad is in Mamma Mia. So that's probably what you're thinking. Yeah.

[Trish]

Stellan is the dad of Mamma Mia.

[Oscar]

Yes. Oh, and because he did a Alex Skarsgard did a the Graham Norton show in the uk And I forget what diva was with them, but you know, it's like the everyone sits on the couch and this British diva, she was like, I saw your dad and Mama Mia, I didn't like it. And he was like, well, he was having fun. She's like, well, I'm glad he had fun, but it wasn't for me. She was reading him down because honestly.

[Trish]

He'S great but can't sing. I mean, Pierce Brosnan's worse. Thank you so much to Babel for sponsoring today's episode of Just Trish. I have been loving the Babel app. Learning new languages has been my new favorite thing. Not only does it stimulate my brain, help my memory postpartum, but it's also keeping me busy when I travel. I really just enjoy doing something that's good for my mind these days. You know, I love to scroll on social media like everyone else. But learning a new language is super fun and super important in our world. We'll also be traveling very soon, so there are certain languages that I would like to pick up. French, Japanese and Spanish of course. The most practical one to learn. Today's sponsor Babbel is an award winning app that makes learning a new language simple and effective. With Babel you can learn a variety of languages including Russian, Danish, Dutch, Indonesian, Swedish, Turkish, Polish, Norwegian, Swedish, Spanish, French, German, Italian, Portuguese and more. Babel courses are created by over 200 language experts. It's like having a private tutor in your pocket. I absolutely love that there's real time feedback and you can track your progress. You can practice conversations with enhanced speech recognition and in app conversation partner you can listen to podcasts in the language you are trying to learn. And you know you're in good hands because Babel has over 25 million subscriptions sold and 1.6 million 5 star app store ratings. And here's just a couple words I've already learned. Jemma Peltricia Messy Beu to start speaking a new language in three weeks, Click the link in the description or go to babel.com trish and you'll get up to 55 off your subscription. That's up to 55 off your subscription when you use my link. Join the millions of Babel learners breaking the language barrier every [e-mail] church thank you so much to Babel for Sponsoring today's episode. But it gives me hope. Honestly, those kind of. Those musicals gave me hope so much. I could be Christine and family opera or something. You know what I mean? Like, I was like, I love that they can't sing. And they gave them huge singing roles. It was awful. He had one song. He's like, I can still recall our last summer. You know the song?

[Oscar]

No.

[Trish]

You know, it.

[Moses]

Gave me hope that I can sing.

[Trish]

You did. We did it.

[Moses]

It was so.

[Trish]

So. When you're near me, darling, can't you hear me?

[Moses]

Yes, I was.

[Trish]

Well, you can sing. You were saying at Christmas, stars. I made everyone sing with me at Christmas, and I didn't give them any warning. I was like, you know what? You guys all ate, though. I was like, what song do you want to say? Cat's Eye. Anyways, it was great.

Yeah, that was good. Adam Taylor was a great interviewer. I liked his interview questions. He was getting the tea on Bach.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And then Ariana had to clarify. I think she accidentally said six, seven. Right. And then she had to clarify that she doesn't. Oh, no, Adam said it. And then she made a face, and she had to clarify she didn't know what the 6, 7 mean, and she doesn't want to know. She has to be excluded from the narrative.

[Trish]

So I love her.

[Oscar]

Yeah, me too.

[Trish]

What an icon.

[Oscar]

She's like, what is six, seven? Tell me what is. And then she replied her own comment. She said, actually, I don't want to know. Don't tell me.

[Trish]

Did he do it as a joke or did he just say six, seven?

[Oscar]

I think he just said it, like, as a meme. Yeah. And then her. She'd, like. People thought she made a face reacting to that, but she wasn't.

[Trish]

She doesn't know what it was. Yeah, I'm over the six, seven jokes. I hate them. We should do actors on actors. Huh?

[Moses]

Oh.

[Trish]

Oh, nothing. You said, keep going, so I did.

How did we do that? Is it on black and white? We should just sit. No, wait, really? Why do I have, like, their pictures aren't black and white. Yeah, something is.

[Oscar]

Something, maybe. No, but the video itself is not black.

[Trish]

They're just, like, sitting in the white room.

[Oscar]

Yes, it is like, one of those white wall things within, like, a little. A chair.

[Trish]

Do you ever think, like, what's the point of it?

[Oscar]

I think it's just a part of the. The award season campaign. Like, these are all award season competitors.

What is he in? He was just in Happy Gilmore too.

[Trish]

Maybe it's being nominated.

[Oscar]

He Was promoting something like a couple weeks ago. God, what am I. What am I thinking of? And George Clooney was there too.

The making of J. Kelly.

[Trish]

Oh.

[Oscar]

Or no, Jay Kelly. Sorry.

[Trish]

It's like a famous movie actor, J.

[Oscar]

Kelly embarks on a journey of self discovery.

[Trish]

And who's Adam Sandler?

[Oscar]

George Clooney is J. Kelly. And Adam Sandler is. Wrong. Sukinnik.

[Trish]

So he might be getting a nomination if he's doing this.

[Oscar]

Or at least campaigning for even. Even if it's not him. Something like J. Kelly. Like Superman. Obviously, David Cornspot isn't gonna get an actor nomination, but like, Superman could get like a best editing or best Director. Not even Director, but it would get like best special effects or something like that.

[Trish]

You know, James Gunn could win. He's good. Why was he not good?

[Oscar]

Why do you think, David? My favorite movie of the year. But I'm just being realistic here.

[Trish]

You don't think David Cornstone can get a nomination? No, because of this interview.

[Oscar]

This. Like this. Yeah. This torpedoed his chance.

[Trish]

And Jonathan Bailey thinks campaigning for Fiero.

[Oscar]

I think for Wicked in general.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Because I mean, realistically, again, he wouldn't get an actor. Like, he's not on the shortlist. That's just how. I'm just being real. I'm the realness.

[Trish]

I don't know.

[Oscar]

But obviously, like, Ariana probably has the best chance to win. And then Cynthia also needs to get on the list.

[Trish]

We have a celebration, a birthday today. Happy birthday to Domino's returning 65.

Yes. It's their birthday.

[Oscar]

Wait, are you sponsored?

[Moses]

We not here right now.

[Trish]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, that's true. Clarification.

[Oscar]

Well, they got leaked.

[Trish]

They leaked it. So I'm just. Moses said we should wait till after, but it's already been leaked.

[Oscar]

Maybe somehow you were pregnant. That's literally where my mind went.

[Trish]

I was like, wait, that's crazy.

[Oscar]

I was like, did you adopt? That's crazy.

[Trish]

Oh, my gosh. Oh, well, maybe. Okay, we don't have to make it a whole thing, but we can. All right, Domino's turn 65 today.

[Oscar]

Happy birthday, Domino's.

[Trish]

Happy birthday, Domino's.

[Oscar]

65 has never looked better.

[Trish]

Oh, my God. That's what I said in my mukbang. That comes out already filmed on Friday. I did. Because I said that. That's funny you said that. Because I said that. Because they do a whole rebrand of the boxes. They have new boxes now.

[Oscar]

Wow. This is me.

[Trish]

Yes. This is Mage. And look at these cool boxes now that they have. Oh, wow.

[Oscar]

That's cool, right? Yeah, it's, like, very chic.

[Trish]

It's very chic. It's very. Just dominoes. Well, anyways, it's their birthday, so I got. Well, I got pizza because I was a little hungry. I needed a little snack. And then you get free lava cakes for their birthday with the code Happy Bday. This does, like, sound like the podcast is sponsored, but it's not. I just got. Yeah, I'm just. I'm just. I'm just in a Domino's commercial.

[Oscar]

Wait, a whole commercial?

[Trish]

Yeah, I think it doesn't come out till Wednesday, but they already peeped it. I don't know. Most like, you should wait. But I'm so excited.

[Oscar]

Oh, my God, that's huge.

[Trish]

The Instagram. Yeah, they showed it. They showed it here in the pod room. And should we. Oh, my God. That actually looks so good.

[Oscar]

Wow, that is. How did I miss.

[Trish]

That just happened this morning. Well, I don't. The birthday is today. December. Tuesday is what, December 9th? Yes, Tuesday, December 9th. And yeah, I shot a. I shot a Domino's campaign last week.

[Oscar]

That is crazy.

[Trish]

I know. I was so excited. I was like the. I don't know if it's out yet, but anyways, they teased it. They said, who's ordering Domino's for. I have a whole. It's a whole rollout. So this week. Watch it. Watch the dominoes. Everything.

[Oscar]

I have to share this in my story. This is big.

[Trish]

This is big. This is big, right?

Dominoes.

[Oscar]

Oh, my God. Ted Nivisin is going to be shook. Like, he's really coming out of. Good.

[Trish]

He loves dominoes.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trish]

Wait, what? I didn't know that lore about him. How do you know that?

[Oscar]

I just know. Okay, well, I'm lying, but I also just know.

[Trish]

Oh, is he coming today? He's not coming today.

[Oscar]

No, he's coming the. Not tomorrow, the next. The second date. Yeah.

[Trish]

Got it, got it, got it. Okay. Okay. That's so funny. Well, Domino's lava cakes are here.

I had a lot of lava cakes that day. Actually, I didn't even eat any. Oh, I did eat. I did eat it for the mukbang. Look at their. And their new logo, too, is Dominoes. Isn't that cool? Domino's.

[Oscar]

They gotta slay that graphic design.

[Trish]

They really did. The rebrand is surreal. There's thin crust in there for you. Do you like thin crust or regular?

[Oscar]

I like regular.

[Trish]

Yeah, same. Okay, yeah, I'll just take my little slice and. Do you want to pick yours, Oscar?

[Oscar]

No. Whatever.

[Trish]

Are you sure?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Oscar]

All slices are created equal. O.

[Trish]

This gives me. Can I tell you? And I know. Okay, again, this is not sponsored, obviously. I've done Domino's mukbangs forever, but. And lava cakes.

Domino's was, like, my meal for real. You know this, babe. Every day for lunch. I'm not kidding. Every day for lunch in the summer of, like, 1997, my dad would order Domino's to his office building, and we would just eat, like, a whole Domino's Pizza, me and my brother, and just, like, sit in the conference room and eat Domino's. So this is giving me nostalgic. Like, I'm at my dad's work. I feel very special. Domino's, wow. Yeah.

[Oscar]

Finally, the son of the heir of Domino's finally paid off, right?

[Trish]

Yes. I don't know how it all. Maybe. Maybe I don't know how it all worked out, but we got it. I was kind of gagged. I was like, domino's. I think this is the best way to end 2025. Even though we're not ending, we have more episodes coming, but this was the highlight, I think, of my 2025.

[Oscar]

That is wild.

[Trish]

I don't know if it can get any better than this.

[Oscar]

Let's celebrate, you guys. That is funny.

[Trish]

Napkins.

Holding it down the oceans.

[Moses]

I love it.

[Trish]

What'd you say when we have kids?

[Moses]

When you have kids, you have all.

[Oscar]

Kind of fun napkins.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I live.

[Oscar]

Wow.

[Trish]

Okay, I really need to say wow. Those lava cakes. Free lava cakes. That's crazy. That's crazy. Free lava cakes when you order over $10. Absolutely. Sign me up. We haven't eaten lava cakes, literally, all weekend because we got some lava cakes to, like, have, and we've eaten them all weekend.

[Moses]

Wow.

[Trish]

Oobe gooey. These are the best. 20 years. Loving Domino's. Actually, more six years old is when I started eating Domino's for lunch. So 30 years. So anyways, keep an eye out on Domino's Social. Maybe you'll see a familiar face. I love Domino's. I always have. That's it. They're the best.

Any chance I get to eat Domino's, I'll do it.

[Oscar]

It's rewarding after years of free promotion.

[Trish]

Yeah, but that's what's crazy, right? You know, I would keep eating Domino's. We eat Domino's every chance I get. I could eat Domino's. And then the fact that they were like, hey, let's work on this together. I was like, oh. And you know, the best thing is, is you get all the fresh pizzas because they want to have, like, nice pizzas for the take. So I was just getting fresh pizzas, fresh lava cakes, and I was getting those first bites of all the fresh ones, and it was just, wow, heavenly.

[Oscar]

That's the realness. I wonder if, like, other spokespeople are really, like, eating the food on set.

[Trish]

That's a good question. I know I was. And we kept all the pizzas. Okay. We kept every single pizza they let us have. We had boxes. We should take a picture of all the boxes. Gave some to my sister. We were eating it all weekend.

[Oscar]

Nice Fears.

[Trish]

All the lava cakes. Not one thing went to waste. That was. It was amazing. It was beautiful. And we love you, Domino's. All right, back to.

[Oscar]

Well, I don't know if this is a conflict of interest, but I have another pizzeria that I would like to talk about.

[Trish]

Oh, no. Maybe it is a conflict of interest. What is it?

[Oscar]

Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria.

[Trish]

What is happening over there? Is it out?

[Oscar]

Yes, it came out last week.

[Trish]

You saw it?

[Oscar]

Yeah, I saw it last week.

[Trish]

I didn't know. How come I ever know? I'm talking about this.

[Oscar]

I'm pretty big with the fans. It was. I saw, literally the day it came out. I was very, very excited.

Listen, is it a great movie? No. Is it a good movie? No, but I had a fun time. It was fun. I enjoyed my time there.

[Trish]

Okay, that was crazy.

[Oscar]

I enjoyed my time in the movie.

[Trish]

Wait, why? What did you enjoy that if it was not a great film?

[Oscar]

Even though I don't know anything about the games at all? We played them. Yeah, we played them, but we didn't know what to do. Like, I don't think we did anything right.

[Trish]

We couldn't get out of the security room.

[Oscar]

Even when we played the one, like, one of the other games that Cali told us to play, we didn't know, like, what to do in the room and this, like, little room that we were hiding in, Remember?

[Trish]

Yes. And then we were like, come out. Yeah, but it wasn't that scary.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

I don't know.

[Oscar]

So I don't know. I try to watch Matt Pass videos, but they're very long.

[Trish]

How's Matt Pat in it?

[Oscar]

Oh, he only has a spoiler alert. He only has a couple lines in it because he voices one of the animatronics and he does a very interesting character toy. I don't know if they, like, altered his voice or anything, but it, like, it wasn't recognizable as him.

[Trish]

Oh, that's odd. You think they want to reckon, was he in it or he was just a voice.

[Oscar]

He was just a voice.

[Trish]

I mean, that's just. By the way, that's very cool. But I didn't know. Okay.

[Oscar]

Yeah, he was in the first one. A cameo. This one he's just a voice of. Do they talk in this one? Yes, there's some animatronics that do. And then this is also in the games, I guess I. I had to watch videos explaining this, but I mean, the. I could tell when something was a reference to the games, though, because they, like, have a dramatic, like, pause, like, because they know the audience is going to be clapping. So, like, Josh Hutcherson will, like, make a reference or, like, hold up something and the camera will, like, slowly zoom in on it. And I was like, oh, this isn't.

[Trish]

We didn't know what's happening.

[Oscar]

No idea. But I pretended to go along with it.

[Trish]

What did you enjoy more, Superman or Five Nights at Freddy Superman.

[Oscar]

But I do still enjoy fnaf. And I accidentally caused a debacle as well where with Five Nights at Freddy's. So I don't know. You probably haven't seen this because I.

[Trish]

Have not been online.

[Oscar]

Yeah, exactly.

[Trish]

Zero bit.

[Oscar]

So my girl, McKenna Grace, there was a big debacle with E.T.

[Trish]

Oh, no. What? What happened?

[Oscar]

Okay, I'll play you the video just so you know what I'm talking about.

[Trish]

By the way, we have a guest coming up Thursday who's like, wow, you guys really got me canceled. And I was like, what happened, Oscar?

I didn't know. I was like, wait, what? Anyways, we addressed it. Unfortunately, you weren't here. He's like, where is he? Well, he works.

[Oscar]

It is unfortunate. I also had questions for him because, again, related to Josh Hutcherson. He kisses Josh Hutcherson a lot. And I want to know the tea or not. You might have to get him to send in a statement.

[Trish]

He was actually the best. He'll, like, come back. He actually was. He's like, where is Oscar?

[Oscar]

I have so many questions.

[Trish]

Okay. He'll come back for sure. He's the best.

[Oscar]

Okay, here, play this one.

[Trish]

Okay. Oh, okay. This is your edit.

[Oscar]

It's my. You'll see. I owe you an apology. I just blew up your spot. I told Josh that you were Team PETA back in the day and used.

[Trish]

To make those fan edits.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Your co star, McKenna Grace, did she.

[Oscar]

Ever talk to you about the fact that she used to make fan edits of PETA on TikTok?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I did not know that you didn't know that you're the one to break it to me. You didn't read it like the rest.

[Oscar]

Of us in Teen Vogue.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I am a little behind on my Teen Vogue issues. Need to catch up.

[Trish]

Well, why would you tell him I.

[Oscar]

Asked if he did? Because it was in Teen Vogue, so I thought maybe he knows.

[Trish]

I still can't.

[Oscar]

I know you're embarrassed by that. He was impressed.

[Trish]

Diabolical. The thing is, I would have never said this, like, actively in the press if I would have known I was gonna end up working. He doesn't care. I think he loves it.

[Oscar]

Who isn't Team Peeta, you know what I'm saying?

[Trish]

Yeah, duh. Who isn't Team PETA?

[Oscar]

So that became a whole.

[Trish]

Wait, did she get 11 million views? Is great.

[Oscar]

And that's just.

[Trish]

Was that your question?

[Oscar]

Well, okay, so you set him up. So.

On the Instagram, it became a whole thing. It, like, it is now. You know the website, know your meme, where, like, it's the registry of all. Okay, so the her. McKenna's reaction has been registered on there.

[Trish]

Wow.

[Oscar]

It's like an official viral, like, reaction gift. People started recreating it on TikTok and doing, like, reenacting it. Let me see Yours Nation, where she goes. I love when she does, like, that. Or people really, like, when McKenna, like, is smiling, and then she, like, gets serious, and then she looks directly into the camera. So people are really eating it up.

[Trish]

She seemed like a good sport. He seemed like a good sport.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I love.

[Trish]

They both were, like, fine.

[Oscar]

Yes. Well, when it first went viral, this was, like, last. This. The premiere was last Tuesday. I saw that it was getting a lot of views, like, Wednesday morning and then. But. And I was just proud. I was like, I ate that up. Because I was asking. I didn't see FNAF in our, like, shoot calendar. And I was like, where are the FNAF interviews? You guys, like, come on, we got to get on this.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And then they were like, well, we just got an email about the premiere, and I was like, well, girls, let's get on it. Not like that, but please, please.

[Trish]

Why did you go, like, for something like that, where you're, like, a fan, why aren't you there to ask these questions?

[Oscar]

My tea. Like, if it was again, like, someone I was die hard for, it'd be another story.

[Trish]

I think people would gag to see you ask that question, though, because you do love McKenna Grace, and you love it. You know what I mean? And people just, like, know and Love you now, so I feel like you should be.

[Oscar]

I saved in the front lines, fighting for it. Well, now I'm. I'm glad I was on the front lines, because at first when I saw it, like, get a lot of views, I sent it to everyone. I was like, my teeth. Because I was the one that was pushing to cover it. Yeah, I sent that question. I was like, listen, I. Because I saw it somewhere that she had made these fan edits, and I had to go find the interview. And I was like, voila. I was like, you have to ask McKenna this, and then you also have to get Josh's reaction. I was very specific.

[Trish]

And they were like, that was crazy. He got that there. He might have lost me, but. Well, let me. He doesn't care about this, but.

[Oscar]

And they went and they got it, and I was so proud. I sent that to everyone. No one really cared. Even though it was getting, like, millions of views. I was like, I kind of. I felt proud.

[Trish]

I felt, 11 million is crazy.

[Oscar]

But then I saw it flip, where people were like, wow, what an unprofessional question. And then people were like, wow, this is why you don't let influencers on the carpet. And I was like, he's been getting.

[Trish]

Like, who's the influencer?

[Oscar]

They think that he's the influencer.

[Trish]

That Just, like, influencer. Yeah.

[Oscar]

He's been doing it for, like, 20 years.

[Trish]

People love to get mad at questions.

[Oscar]

And then.

Then Denny texted me. He's like, someone just commented on my Instagram that you should have done FNAF interviews because you would have never asked a question like that.

[Trish]

And I was like, you would have asked more shady questions. You would have asked all the questions.

[Oscar]

I was like, oh, you should do it, though.

[Trish]

We should do Battle of the Carpets one day. You go with your outlet, I'll go with mine, and we're right next to each other. Honestly, you would eat. Ask your des. Do the best questions. You do the most salacious questions.

[Oscar]

Salacious. Crazy. Tell me about your fan edits. As if I hacked Girl's icloud to figure out she was making these edits. She said it in Teen Vogue, and she's lucky I found out that her Fortnite username is Josh Hutcherson01. And she's lucky I didn't know that, because I would have brought that up on the carpet as well. I would have said, mckenna, why is your Fortnite username Josh Hutcherson01? Then I would have walked over to Josh Hutcherson, hey, did you know this girl's username on Fortnite was Josh.

[Trish]

You would have called them all out like that. She's like, I'm trying to work. Who is she in the movie?

[Oscar]

She is a ghost hunter girlfriend.

[Trish]

Are they dating?

[Oscar]

No.

[Trish]

No romantic interest.

[Oscar]

No romantic interest? No. She's only 18, so. Oh, yeah.

[Trish]

Yeah. How old is he?

[Oscar]

He's my age, so he's 33. Yeah.

[Trish]

Okay. Appropriate. Crazy. That's funny. That's a good one, though. That. Were they as stoked that they got 11 million views? They should be.

[Oscar]

Well, it was. They were really nervous. Like, Danny was, like, very anxious. He had a. He was issuing a statement. Like, he posted on his Instagram story, like, he did. I've been interviewing McKenna since she was the. The wee baby girl, which he's been interviewing her forever. And they do have a good rapport because he's a center. So I think he's seen her, like, five times this year. And luckily, McKenna's fans were like, no. Like, she's been talking about this. Like, it's. Yeah, but it's just the people who aren't, like, tuned in, but I think it's funny. And then McKenna commented on our tik tok, and then that appeased everybody, I think. But Denny was having a rough 24 hours. I'm like, girl, just turn your phone off. Like, it's okay. The girls don't know how to deal with the little backlash.

[Trish]

Livelihood is not being an influencer. So I'm like, why do you. Why do you care? Just ask that question. Yeah, he does ask questions, which is great. Was great.

[Oscar]

I love him.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

He's.

[Trish]

I love him.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

He's a real one.

[Oscar]

He's a real. Really put himself out there.

[Trish]

But that's what I'm asking. Like, why they cut him off, too. Like, why don't they show the person? Because, like, he is the face. Like, why don't people want to see the people interviewing? Like, I love seeing people interview. Like, that's why I watch Jimmy Fallon. We want to see the Face with.

[Oscar]

Interview when it, like, makes sense.

[Moses]

But I think they're editing it. Like, it's like they know him. They know he's like. It's like a co worker. He's there every day, all the time.

[Trish]

But they're all dressed up so nice. Trust me. I've been at a red carpet, and they are all dressed beautifully. They all have gowns. They all have makeup.

[Moses]

Sometimes even. Like, even. Even getting a thumbnail or something, it might pick up his image instead of the person that they're. If somebody else takes the clip and.

[Oscar]

People really like to see the like person. If I didn't have. If we cut to Denny instead of McKenna, you would miss like McKenna's like the Journey of her face clocking what's being said to her. You know what I mean?

[Trish]

Well, why don't they just stand next to each other?

[Oscar]

You can on a car. It's like so hard to fit both people in like a 9 by 16 frame like that.

[Trish]

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[Oscar]

But yours was shot on iPhone. Yours was shot vertical. Ours is shot standard. Yeah.

[Trish]

You know what they do now? We've recently discovered they have the fancy like red cameras, but they have it where it's just the iPhone.

[Oscar]

Oh, really?

[Moses]

Yeah, they should have vertical, sideways.

[Trish]

That was so cool. Like they were looking at it as if it was a TikTok like format, but it was a big camera.

[Oscar]

Oh, cool.

[Trish]

Yeah, they should do that.

I didn't know it was out. We didn't go see that one too. We need to put that on our list.

[Oscar]

But you hate movies. You said.

[Trish]

When did I say. Did I say that? Probably I do.

[Oscar]

Since last week.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Did I?

[Trish]

What is like a favorite movie? I don't know. I honestly have no idea. You gotta come up with movies anymore.

[Oscar]

You gotta come up with your top four before. Whenever euphoria comes out.

[Moses]

Like Home Alone, Tim Allen Christmas movies.

[Trish]

First of all, no, I honestly have to think about it actually, because I. I don't know. It has changed so much. I don't have a favorite movie. I really like movies. I don't think.

[Oscar]

What do you mean?

[Trish]

I don't think I like movies. Like, I only Like Wicked. Was it in reference too? I probably did.

[Oscar]

We were talking about movies and you said, I just don't like movies. And then in the moment, I was so dumbfounded and everyone commented, like, but you named your children after movies.

[Trish]

Oh, right. Only those movies. Only those three movies. Someone just bought all those. Netflix, you have to pay them royalties. Is that controversial? Because Jordan was the same way. He's like, wow. I was like, wait, why is this controversial?

[Oscar]

It's a mess. Yeah.

[Trish]

Not good.

[Oscar]

Well, for the industry. No. And it's still, like, in flux because Netflix won the bid for Warner Brothers, but Paramount is also fighting to take it to. They're. They're calling it a hostile takeover, which. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. Yeah, but sense, I mean, business wise, with Netflix, it means, like, less movies and movie theaters. So that's a whole, like, negative aspect of it. But then there's also the whole thing about, like, royalty or. Yeah, like royalties or like, you know, when you get the. When you are in Modern Family for one episode, you still, you know, you get the checks every day.

[Trish]

Right, right. Oh, it wouldn't be like that for streaming.

[Oscar]

Yeah, so for streaming, that kind of goes away.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

So it takes away a whole chance of people's livelihood. And then you also have the physical media. Like, people make a lot of money. Like, the actors and stuff will still make money from, like, Blu Ray sales or whatever. So then there's that element as well. You saw what Netflix has done for, like, Blockbuster and physical media in general. So there's that whole argument as well. So.

[Trish]

So we're not for it.

[Oscar]

It's just like, there's no, like, real good way for it to be. For Warner Brothers to be bought. That's good for the industry because even if Paramount was. Was the one to win, how much are we talking? Billion. I mean, they're doing a lot of, like, stocks. Like, a lot of it's in. In stocks.

[Trish]

Someone's giving a billion dollars cash for it.

[Oscar]

No, it's like, not even just 1 billion. It's like billions. But it's also. Yeah. Like, in stocks. And a lot of them have to go out, like, work. They have to get money from, like, Saudi Arabia to place the bid. Oh, wow. It's a whole fiasco.

[Trish]

That sounds like a replay.

[Oscar]

Yeah, there's a lot going on.

[Trish]

Yikes. Oh, my gosh.

[Oscar]

Okay, so we'll see. We'll see.

[Trish]

Why does Saudi Arabia have so much money?

[Moses]

That oil.

[Oscar]

Oh, okay, that makes sense.

[Trish]

Well, damn. Well, let's move it on. I love Movies.

[Oscar]

I'm glad you are. Movies. Yeah, that's what.

[Trish]

Yeah, I love movies.

[Oscar]

It really clocked to me. I like. I. Because I watched it back and I was like. I couldn't even. I was so dumped on it. I couldn't even figure out. I was like, I know that that's incorrect, but the fact I, like, forgot that grass. Your kids are movies.

[Trish]

I do love those movies, you know, I like Superman, too. I'll take that back.

[Moses]

I like Superman Loves Superman.

[Trish]

Spider Man.

[Moses]

She always says she's a superwoman, and.

[Trish]

Oh, she does love to see.

[Moses]

Yeah, we're on the airplane. We watch Superman.

[Trish]

Oh, which one you watch? The new one with her. All right, Random. Okay. Love that. She is. She does love superheroes. She is a spider man. I love movies. My. You see the Matthew Lillard hate from Quentin Tarantino.

[Oscar]

Okay, I was gonna ask you about that, about this. This was one of my hot topics. What the hell is going on with Quentin Tarantino?

[Trish]

Because he know.

[Oscar]

He has been going on the Things I Hate, like, tirade. I didn't realize it was, like, one podcast he did where he just talked about everything. He did dislike for no reason. Because every day is. I see a new article, Quentin Tarantino hates this. He hates that.

[Trish]

And I was like, coming for Hunger Games. Matthew Lillard catching strays.

[Oscar]

Yes, I know. What the hell is going on with him?

[Trish]

Well, I know. This is why David Cornswood, too. I think I know why people don't like to do podcasts. Like, as in. Right. You know what I mean? It's like, we like them better when they just make their art sometimes. You know, like, an artist shouldn't have to talk. Honestly, sometimes, like, I'm not. I have to talk because I have nothing else but Quentin Tarantino.

[Oscar]

What the hell is going on?

[Trish]

Well, the first one was crazy. The first one, he was like, Hunger Games stealing Battle Royale. Like, which. There was a very famous quote at the Virgin Record Store on Sunset. And is it La Ciena? What's the one coming off of Laurel? Is it La Cienega? Sunset and Fairfax? What is that? Yeah, I think maybe floral. Is it Laurel Canyon? I don't know. Maybe last year.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Okay. Anyways, there was a big one on Sunset, like, Boulevard. It was like Sunset. And, like, it's not Fairfax. It's maybe, like, maybe it's Laurel. Is there Laurel Canyon Boulevard?

[Moses]

Which.

[Trish]

Which store coming down, coming out out of the Canyon when you come out. Okay, so Laurel and Sunset, they used to have this huge, like, Virgin Mega Store, right? Yeah, like, Virgin Records.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yes.

[Oscar]

By the. What's it called?

[Trish]

Crunch Used to be there. Yes. There's, like, a cinema that's up there.

[Oscar]

And Dobricks is there now, like, in the area.

[Trish]

In the area, yeah. This one's like a little shopping plaza. Anyways, there was a big Virgin, and that's where I first met Quentin turned into the picture where I'm like, on, like, Quentin, it's like he was doing, like, a CD signing from, like, the Death Proof sound check in, like, 2007. And there was a quote on there, like, printed. And it was there all the time. It was, like, in, like, bold writing at the Virgin Megastore. It was, like, printed and everything. And it said, I steal from every movie ever made. End quote. Quentin Tarantino. What? He said that? Yes. And this was the quote that. He said this multiple. Multiple times. He's like, there's no such thing as an original. Even Pulp Fiction was based on movies. Reservoir Dogs. Like, there's all. They were, like, ripoffs of, like, every single movie. Even Kill Bill. I mean, that's really just, like, the kung fu movies that he was obsessed with. Like, Bruce Lee, where the yellow jumpsuit, like, they all. There's all polls from everything. Even the Jackrabbit Slim's Diner is based on an Elvis Speedway movie. Like, he just. All he does is steal from movies. That's, like, his thing. He says that. He's like, that's just what I do. So then I saw this. I was like, Quentin. As a Quentin super fan, I thought we just steal from every movie ever made. Like, that's the whole thing. That's what you do. It's like you just get inspired, you know Twilight. Isn't that, like, a fan fiction of, like, Fifty Shades of Gray or something like that?

[Oscar]

Reverse. But yes. You know what I mean?

[Trish]

Like, there's no. There's no original idea, you know? And so I was like. He's like, why was he sued for every penny? I was like, in that same logic point, it could be you.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And I think to. I mean, the concept is not super original. Like, even Fortnite is similar to a battle royale because it's just, like, a group of people in one area, and you have to fight for survival. Like, I don't. I don't think the concept for a fight for survival is that original.

[Trish]

Lord of Flies. Lord of Flies.

[Oscar]

So. Because I remember being like. When I got into the Hunger Games, people said it was, like, similar to Battle Royale. And I went and watched that film thinking it would be, like, Hunger Gamesian, but it's just, like, very, like, brutal. Like, it doesn't have the, like, like, sci fi elements of, like, a Hunger Games really. It's just like. It really is just like, killing. But, yeah, like, pure, like, violence and fighting. Like storytelling, of course, but, like, a lot more, like, no punches held back, no tracker jacks. Yeah. No gorgeous wigs, you know?

[Trish]

Okay.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trish]

So I still don't know what Battle Royale is, but I'm, like, assuming that I'm like, well, Hunger Games, obviously. It's just more.

[Oscar]

And then he went after Paul Dano. That was great. So random.

[Trish]

I love how he's just like, these are all the people I hate.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Literally, he was. Because he was listing some of his favorite movies and he was talking about the movie There Will Be Blood. It was like, his fifth favorite movie. And he said his least favorite thing about it, though, was Paul Dano. It was the biggest flaw in the movie. And he said, he is weak sauce, man. He's a weak sister. He's such a weak, weak, uninteresting guy.

[Trish]

That's the crazy.

[Oscar]

I know. And then all these celebrities came out to, like, Reese Witherspoon is talking about, like, everyone's coming out to talk about him. And I'm like, damn.

[Trish]

And then that was crazy.

[Oscar]

Then I saw the next day the articles about him, Matthew Lillard. Like, what the hell?

[Trish]

The American treasure right now I know. Like, a national treasure for sure. I've been seeing the clips everyone posts on gay Twitter of him from, like, she's all that. Him spinning around and stuff. Being a real world. He's so good. I was so. I'm so sad about that.

[Oscar]

I know. I'm so sad for Matthew Lillard. Seems like such a sweetie. And then he was. He did a. A special appearance for, like, FNAF2. And he talked about, like, seeing the clips on Tick Tock and he's like, yeah, like, that hurts my feelings. Like, going after an actor like me. It's not like I'm on the level of Tom Cruise.

[Trish]

Right.

[Oscar]

Like, obviously that's gonna hurt. And I'm like, damn. Poor Matthew Lillard.

[Trish]

He was so real about it, too. He's like, I guess Hollywood is like me and popular here, but it's like, it's. That is sad. You know, I'm like.

[Oscar]

And then he also came for Owen Wilson. He said, I also don't care for Owen Wilson.

[Trish]

Well, we all kind of. We get that. We're all on that page age. We're all similar. Yeah.

[Oscar]

Wilson, do I think he's the voice of Lightning McQueen.

[Trish]

But is he great actor? I also think he, like, doesn't. He doesn't claim one of his kids. I think his daughter, allegedly.

[Oscar]

Oh, Lord.

[Trish]

Refuses to see the daughter, but has two sons that he talks about.

[Oscar]

Okay.

[Trish]

But I mean, I guess that's separating art from it. But overall, overall, he's just not a great actor. Okay. Right.

[Oscar]

I've only seen him in Cars and the Loki Show.

[Trish]

You heard his. What? What? The Loki Show. What is that? What's Loki like, the superhero? Oh, is it the villain?

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Oscar]

Well, that's all I know. I'm from.

[Trish]

But Meet the Parents.

[Oscar]

Oh, I forgot he was in that.

[Trish]

Yeah, exactly.

[Oscar]

Yeah. They think of Ben Stiller, right?

[Trish]

Well, now you're gonna think of Ariana Grande. You gonna watch it?

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Trish]

That. Yeah. I didn't like that interview.

[Oscar]

I was like, what is going on with this guy? The concept of going on. I don't know how Talking about your 20 favorite movies turned into, like, everything I hate.

[Trish]

This is my top. Was number five.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Was amazing.

[Trish]

But I also hated Paul Diana. That's like, me. Like, I love Pulp Fiction, but, God, John Travolza. The worst. Like, what do you mean? Like, you can't just say that about a movie. That was weird and maybe something happened between that sounds like. Turn him down.

[Moses]

Getting old. You know, it's old man.

[Trish]

I was gonna say that.

[Moses]

Old men punching in the air. Just all the things I hate.

[Trish]

Not too much, as my sister does. Not too much now. Not too much now. Yeah, I know. It gave me that a little bit. I was like, oh, come on. Like, let's not be. I never. Oh, God, I don't want to be that person. Like, when I'm like, 40s and 50s. Like, God, I. But maybe I have to really watch myself now. Like, when I sit, talk about things. Like, don't be that person that's like, oh, I don't get so much something, or. You know what I mean?

[Moses]

Like, also, he's like, in the industry. You don't need to punch down on people in the industry. Like, you don't need. Like, there's no.

[Trish]

Is having his moments.

[Oscar]

And it's also, like, not that they're even in the same lane. Like, you're a director. Like Matthew Liller.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

You have.

[Oscar]

You're not competing with him at all, you know, so.

[Trish]

And I like, yeah, it's. You're not competing with finance at Freddy. Like, you know, like, your films are. I mean, we're waiting for your film. What are you doing? Like, you know what I mean? Like, he's been. He's been kicking him out. He's doing. Doing Scream. He's doing five nights at Freddy. He's doing Comic Cons. He's doing all of that.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Wow. Breaks my heart a little bit. And I. I like Paul Dano. Is he the one from Little Miss Sunshine?

[Oscar]

Yes. The brother of Little Miss Sunshine. Yeah.

[Trish]

Riddler.

[Oscar]

I am so gagged. Yes.

[Trish]

He's pretty good in that. I didn't like that movie, but he was pretty. I'm the opposite. I didn't like the movie, but I thought he was pretty good. Yeah, I like him. I think he played Brian Wilson, too. Beach Boys.

[Oscar]

Sounds about right.

[Trish]

Sure.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

I think he's great. Paul Dano. Wow.

[Oscar]

Well, speaking of not getting something, we did. We also got snubbed at the Golden Globes. We didn't make the podcast shortlist, so I don't think it's that shocking.

[Trish]

Stop it.

[Oscar]

But the nominees are kind of what we clocked, actually. Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard. Your favorite. Call Her Daddy.

[Trish]

Okay, good.

[Oscar]

Hang with Amy Poehler.

[Trish]

Yeah, that probably will win. That should win.

[Oscar]

Smart List with Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett.

[Trish]

No one even knows what that is. Never seen Claire clips once of that.

[Oscar]

The Mel Robbins podcast.

[Trish]

That's the girl.

[Oscar]

And up first.

[Trish]

What is that?

[Oscar]

I was hoping you would know.

[Trish]

Oh, you don't know up first? I never heard of up first. Nope.

[Oscar]

Aisha Rascoe, Layla Fedel, A. Martinez, and Steve Inskeep.

[Trish]

Okay, too many people agreed that you can't have more than two people on a podcast. Well, three, I guess, in this case. But even then, it's like a chime in for me, which we love. But three, four is crazy.

[Oscar]

So. Yeah, we were.

[Trish]

No Jay Shetty.

[Oscar]

No. No Los Culturistas.

[Trish]

Wow. I do like even Poe's podcast, though, so. And I love Caller Daddy, too.

[Oscar]

I do love. Yeah. And to be fair, I've also only seen Amy Poehler and Color Daddy.

[Trish]

Same, Same, actually. Yes.

[Oscar]

Disclaimer for the other.

[Trish]

I guess we've seen clips of Dax Shepherds, but. Oh, yeah, it seems problematic. Yeah, in every way. He's always saying problematic stuff. Why didn't Quentin come for him? That's the one I'm coming for. Dax Shepard. No.

Golden Globes came out. Okay, well, I didn't know who else nominated for anything. Ariana.

[Oscar]

Yeah, Ariana did get Best Supporting Cynthia. Cynthia got snubbed for Critics Choice, but she did get a Golden Globe. Yes, but Wicked didn't get a nomination for best comedy or musical. Crazy.

[Trish]

Who got the nominations? Like, that's the only movie I know that came out this year. What do you mean comedy or musical? What other ones came out this year?

[Oscar]

But it was. No, musical was also in the category, to be fair. Okay, it was Blue Moon, Begonia, Marty supreme, no other choice. Novel, vague. And One battle after another.

[Trish]

Wait, have we know any of those? You have heard any of those movies?

[Moses]

Supreme.

[Trish]

Never heard of it.

[Oscar]

That's the Timothy Chalamet movie. So anyone in LA has this Marty supreme jacket? That's what Darian wants for Christmas. But yeah, he's a ping pong champion. I don't know. But Darian wants this jacket. And the LA Pop up shop is today, but people have been camping out for 14 hours because Timothy Charlemagne leaked the address early. It was a whole debacle. So if anyone.

[Trish]

You can't go. You can always get something.

[Oscar]

Yeah, that was crazy, though.

[Trish]

Oh, you stay online.

[Oscar]

Yeah, it's not. But one battle after another. I mean, I haven't seen it, but from what I've seen about it, it doesn't give me comedy. Like, I don't know.

[Trish]

I'm literally not kidding. Haven't heard any of these movies. Like, not even clips like that. Shepherd. Okay, I've seen clips. Okay, whatever. But like, like what? Like, these are all comedies.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

That's crazy.

[Oscar]

I mean, considered comedies. I don't know. Like, that's crazy. Supreme isn't out yet officially, but I will see that one and it's nominated.

[Trish]

What about the one we saw? That Naked Gun? Where's that nomination? I love that one. That one was so good. That was clever. That writing was good. Did you watch it?

[Oscar]

No.

[Trish]

So funny. She like, oh, ucla. He's like, I see LA every day. That was so good. Whoever wrote it should, like, like, get a nomination. Damn, they're haters. I think all those suck. And I think Wicked should have been nominated. That's crazy. That's crazy. Wicked is like the biggest movie. Like, how are you? What?

[Oscar]

It is crazy that it got snubbed out of musical. Like, put it in there. Come on.

[Trish]

Literally. What are you doing?

[Oscar]

It's so weird. I don't know.

[Moses]

Musical and comedy share a category at.

[Oscar]

The Golden Globes only. Yeah, it's funny at the Oscars like the rest of them. It'll just be like, best like film, and then they're all, like, fighting for it. But the Golden Globe separates them by genre.

[Trish]

I don't know how I feel about any of this.

[Oscar]

I know. I. It is all over the place. Like the critics choice is so different from the Golden Globes. Like, I don't know. This award season is like a toss up. So we'll see.

[Trish]

There's too many awards.

[Oscar]

Yeah, tell me about it. I can't believe I have to go into award season all over again.

[Trish]

Oh my God. Are you gonna go? We should prepare the audience.

[Oscar]

Things are getting bad again.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Should myself on Instagram Live or TikTok Live.

[Trish]

That was pretty good.

[Oscar]

Thanks.

[Trish]

You ate on that?

[Oscar]

I've been practicing that.

[Moses]

At least you didn't have to do the streamers award.

[Oscar]

Oh my God.

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[Oscar]

Where on your life. Where the hell was that?

[Trish]

Not yesterday you did a whole talk about it.

[Oscar]

How did you see that?

[Moses]

That's what we watch at home on Sunday nights.

[Oscar]

That is so funny.

[Trish]

I was peeping it because I was like this must be a hot topic if Oscar's. It was. It will say tick tock. My tick tock was all Jaclyn Hill. Michaela. My Twitter was all streamer.

[Oscar]

Mine too. Algorithms are very similar.

[Trish]

That is very odd.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Because I'm not on this in real life streaming thing. Okay. But every clip was that and I was like, what is happening? First of all, the positive is everyone looked good. All these female streamers, they look great.

[Oscar]

Yeah, everyone looks great.

[Trish]

You know what I mean? It's like, yeah. I'm so used to like everyone just being on Ozempic and we love. And not to say they're. See, this is. This is how you trigger everyone. Right. Some people want. If I say they don't look like they're on Ozempic then it's like, oh my God, I'm getting on it. You know, I just love that it was just like, wow, these are some really? They're just. I don't even know how to say it. You know what I mean? Kirby Natural, natural bright. Just living life. Bodies. Definitely not chubby, but fine if you are. I don't know, it just was nice to see. I was like, well, okay. Extremers having the body oddies. They were looking good is what I'm trying to say. But damn, try not to like, trigger anyone. Everyone. Ms. McCarthy. Oh my gosh. She was like body. Yada yada. Tea. I was like, oh, my gosh.

[Oscar]

Oh my God.

[Trish]

Everybody's just getting. We love everything. But it was nice to see some because I'm a content creators. I see content creators not all be a size zero.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Variety.

[Trish]

Yes. Everybody looked great.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Any other good parts of it? You loved it?

[Oscar]

Did I love it?

[Trish]

Well, those are your people.

[Oscar]

Hashtag I don't go here. You do.

[Trish]

Valkyrie, qt. Cinderella. Vanilla Maze. Fan? Fan.

The Austin show.

[Oscar]

I actually don't know. Fan, fan. Okay. It seems like Katie. I like Katie. Katie B.

[Trish]

So yeah, Jen.

[Oscar]

Jen McAllister was there, of course. But these are all the guys I don't like Hassan, when they go, he's him and Austin show are the only ones, you know, prezzo. I know prezzo.

Obviously. Like, I should have speed and Kaisen at. But other than that, like, I don't know any of the phase guys.

[Trish]

That's been out wrong for a long time. Are the original faces phased out? Like face banks?

[Oscar]

Oh, they are like, oh, are they?

[Moses]

Yeah, I think they're doing other things now.

[Oscar]

Like, is it like Game of Thrones where, like, you have to pass on or like royalty. Yeah, you have to pass on to the next. Yeah.

[Trish]

I wonder who the big phase is right now.

[Oscar]

I know. And how does that. Does that, like, work? Is it democracy? Like, do they elect or does the king just like, choose the next era of like, phase? I don't know. I don't know anything.

[Trish]

Probably someone chooses their successor, right? I don't know.

[Oscar]

Like, I would imagine.

[Trish]

Okay, now phase. I don't even know the other phase. I literally just know. But that's like, because I'm old. So long ago. I can't even remember who put this on. Like, is it YouTube? Like Twitch?

[Oscar]

It's all sweetie Cinderella. It's all her.

[Trish]

What do you mean?

[Oscar]

It's literally just her.

[Trish]

She put all her money to do this award show.

[Oscar]

She puts like. It's like a million. It was a million dollar production and she does it herself.

[Trish]

Like literally a million dollars. No.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

No, no.

[Oscar]

Hand on the Bible. Hand on the Bible. Like, she gets sponsored, like, AT&T sponsored this year.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

But.

[Trish]

Okay, okay.

[Oscar]

So she. It helps offset the cost for sure. But she puts, like, so much of her own money just because she likes to do it. But it's like, it's not.

[Moses]

Think about this. If you were like, her passion to. This is like your passion to music videos in one year. Take those music videos. You could do a streamer award, show the tr.

[Trish]

Okay, I like this. You're right.

[Oscar]

That was a good way to put it. Yeah. Fair. Fair. Yeah.

[Trish]

Okay, then how do all these people come. They're just like, she.

[Oscar]

Hand. Like, she opens up the. The. Not the nominations. Like, it's all fan fans, like, make the nominations, and then from the. The. The nomination list and the fans vote on who wins. And then she sent out the invites and then she deals with, like, she gets the trophies made. She books the space. She gets security. She gets, like, the bras. It is kind of. It's really impressive.

[Trish]

I think you're doing too much. That's a lot.

[Oscar]

I know. I'm like, I'm worried for a girl because this is a little crazy.

[Trish]

Oh, my. But she said to her for getting all those people, because if I did an award show, nobody would show up. We have nobody.

[Oscar]

The fact that she's. They look at, like, every big streamer in there is crazy.

[Moses]

Well, it must be over how many years they've been doing this, like four or five.

[Oscar]

Right.

[Moses]

She must have kind of established herself in that space because a lot of people try and somebody succeed and everyone agree. Okay, this is the award we all.

[Trish]

I've been doing this 20 years and I have nothing. Nobody will come on this podcast except for Ted Niperson, who Oscar. Just DMs every day.

Like, that's crazy. Oh, I. And there's, like, red carpets and getting.

[Oscar]

Images and, like, hosts. It's a whole thing.

[Trish]

She dye her hair brown.

[Oscar]

I don't know if she dyed it or if it was a wig or what was tea, but it looked good. I like her and brown hair. That being said, the. The show was kind of. Every clip I've seen is diabolical. Yeah. Maybe on purpose.

[Trish]

Maybe she wanted to go viral.

[Oscar]

I don't know. I don't know. And this is really no shade to her because some of it's, like, out of her control. A lot of it, I think, is the culture of like. Like twitch streamers. No offense to all of them, but it's very much like clip farming and, like, a lot of rage, beating and Stuff like that. So when you get all those people together, it's a little. Just diabolical in general.

[Trish]

You know, you are what you cultivate. You are what you speak.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And then it was a. Whoever wrote. I don't know who wrote the script. I don't know. I. I can't imagine the host wrote their own jokes, but the roasting was, like, so uncomfortable. It was probably the most uncomfortable, uncomfortable thing I've ever watched. I was kind of, like, obsessed with how awkward it was.

[Trish]

Like, it was crazy.

[Oscar]

I literally have a montage, Jimmy, that can. Can just insert it because I can't even describe what is. I saw a tick tock. It was like, most awkward moments, and it was just like the most awkward jokes.

[Trish]

What's your favorite awkward moment?

[Oscar]

I think my favorite awkward. Not even like, favorite, but, like, the cringiest to me was, like, going up to Kaisana, being like, oh, I saw your documentary with 50 Cent.

[Trish]

Congrats on your new documentary with 50 Cent. That was. That was you, right?

[Oscar]

Saying that he looks like P. Diddy, and I know that he's made like, yes, that was the worst one. That one was the worst one to me.

[Trish]

Oh, that's crazy. But he's, like, young. Like, he doesn't look like Diddy. What is that?

[Oscar]

And just heard. And no offensive fan fan either, because. But roasting is just not for everybody. It's just not for everybody as you. As.

[Trish]

You know, like, I'm a good roaster. Who I. I'm good. Let me roast you right now.

[Oscar]

You always say you're a bad roaster.

[Trish]

Oscar, that hat.

[Oscar]

He watches the show. So the designer of this.

[Trish]

Oh, I was. Okay. We love it.

[Moses]

See? Burn to burn.

[Trish]

Moses. That pink. Who picked that out for you? Your wife? That's not masculine Burn work. Okay, okay.

[Oscar]

Yeah, maybe next time.

[Moses]

But people did say that if it was like, a comedian coming to do a roast, people would have received it a bit better.

[Trish]

Yes.

[Moses]

And probably they would also have bitter sensitivity to what to say. Not to say. But in her case, it's not what she does.

[Trish]

And, well, it's also. Right. You have to really fully commit. I think, like, you have to fully commit, and they have to be funny because. Yeah, if your roasts are not funny, then, yeah.

[Oscar]

And there's also no setup. Like, when you're roasting, you kind of have to set them up to, like, you almost, like, fluff them up a little bit, and then you, like, you know, you throw the dart at them. You know what I mean? Like, like, you Put air in the balloon. Then you pop it. Like, you don't just go, like, you look ugly, like. And go. She went up to, like, vanilla Mace and Katie B. And was like. She was like, you guys are so beautiful. I heard that Cutie is the one that's rigging the awards, and that's why you're not gonna win tonight because of all that drama. But you look great. And then she walked away, and they were just like, what?

[Trish]

She's saying what comes to her head.

[Oscar]

I'm like, girl. She went up to Asana's, like, so you have that vibration. You have that vibration remote in your pocket. Are you just happy to be here? And everything was so awkward. Yes. It was, like, the most. And no one's laughing.

Very Trish coded in the fact. In the sense that just being just, like, diabolical. It is Mary trishcoto the fact no one's laughing. Everyone's just sitting there like, okay. It was so bad. And then there was, like, a moment where, like, a Wendy Ortiz fan was like. It was towards the end of the show and, like, Cuties doing, like, her closing monologue. And then someone screamed like, wendy's gonna win next year. And then she just kind of crashed out. She's like, why are you insured? And I could. I feel like it was just the culmination of, like, everything going on that she's just like this.

[Trish]

I didn't see that one that was giving Trisha nachos for sure. It's like, huh.

I really thought that was.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Huh. What?

[Trish]

I'm sure Wendy. I love that. Anyways, that was crazy.

[Moses]

I really thought it was, like, okay after that. Like, okay.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Anyways, it was nuts. Oh, my God. And then Fanfan went up to, like, the phase table, and she's like, oh, here's the homophobic table. Or is it the misogynist table? I forget.

[Trish]

I was gonna eat me going up to David Dobrik.

Oh, my God, that's so funny.

[Oscar]

Really diabolical. The whole production. And then I felt so whoever. Oh, my God. Because then Cutie would also be making jokes. And then it would cut to, like, the audience camp to get their reaction, and they would get. The camera would get the wrong person, and they'd be like, oh, that's not them. Or it would just be like, an empty seat, A seat with no one there. And I'm just like, oh, this is so bad.

[Trish]

Where was it? Do you know where they had it?

[Oscar]

I think it was a venue in. In downtown la when, like, one of Those, like theaters.

[Trish]

Wow.

You know, I can't.

[Moses]

Like, at the beginning, you know, I'm sure the Oscars at the fourth year was a mess.

[Trish]

You know, I don't think so.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Not like this.

[Moses]

Like, things develop and the people sitting in that room, they're all. Each one of them is worth like a hundred million dollar plus.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Moses]

This is a big industry. It's only going to grow and get more polished and better. And I've seen so many TikToks about it. But even Kitty Cinderella, like, she replied to people criticized. She's like, yeah, 100%. Like, she's like, you're right. Like 100 need to get better. Writers need to get it organized.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

It's hard. Like, so she acknowledges that it was a mess and that's how you grow. But anyway, yeah, it's not that for me, it's more about like, the streaming awards is something that's going to be big ten years from now. It's going to be huge. Like, those people are breaking in hundreds of millions. They're going to be worth a billion in 10 years.

[Trish]

That's crazy. Why are they there? If I was with 100 million, I would definitely not be there. That's crazy. Like, if I was worth a hundred million dollars, I mean, that's what's so crazy to me is like, why they're there.

[Moses]

Yeah. Somebody like, like case and that. To sit there and be insulted like that, that's.

[Trish]

That's just so weird.

[Moses]

Like, you shoot yourself in the foot. Like the fact that you got him in the room and then you treat him like that. That's horrible.

[Trish]

Yeah, that's fanty. I'm not going anywhere for if I have more than $100 million in my stay. Not even the Oscars. Staying home. You should do your Oscars. Your own Oscars.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Good idea. A budget of 50 bucks in a dream.

[Trish]

I'm not going to put it here.

[Oscar]

I'm sure I could get Ted Nivis to show up and then probably a couple other people. I think he wanted to show up.

[Trish]

Instead of you and him hosting. Was he there?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

He was.

[Trish]

Ah. We need the tea. We need the tea on this. Okay. I'm so excited for it. Oh, my God. Done and done.

Did he get an award? No. Did Vanilla Mace get anything?

[Oscar]

No. She was. I mean, she.

[Trish]

Oh, she was.

[Oscar]

People, her fans were upset that she didn't win, but she was like, it is okay. Like, I was just like excited to be nominated in big categories.

[Trish]

I mean, that is crazy. She's the Only, like, streamer. I know. Obviously. QT Center. We love her. She made the cake for Elvis. She seems very sweet. I love. She's beautiful. I don't know their beef. I don't know. I guess there is beef. I don't know their beef. She said something.

[Oscar]

I don't. I think the beef has been said. I mean, they were there at Cuties, so I think it was.

[Trish]

It was something. You remember the hot Topics you gave us? I was like. It was controversial. Oh, that stream.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

What did she say again? It was, like, bad. Yeah. It was rough being friends with people who you don't agree with. Something like that. Yeah. That was a fiasco for sure. And then this. Another fiasco. Damn.

[Trish]

But she also. She hates being a streamer or something.

[Oscar]

Right, Cutie. Yeah, I saw. Yeah.

[Trish]

She's like, I wish this wasn't my job. And someone's like, quit.

[Oscar]

She's really going through it. I feel it is stuff. You can tell. She's so passionate, though.

[Trish]

Yeah. No, I love. I would love a forever for doing a free cake for Elvis. I think you can do no wrong in my eyes, but.

[Oscar]

I know. She's so sweet, but, girl, I don't know. It's just the. The streaming ecosystem is just. Just tough. I'm. I'm afraid of it. I would never go to streaming awards because they're so scary. Like, I would just be afraid of saying the wrong thing, being around the wrong people. Like, I don't know.

[Trish]

Yeah, they seem pretty brutal. Like, everyone, like, loved an amazing. Hates her now they love her again. I was like, oh, my. Ortiz is the one, though.

[Oscar]

She really is running that shit. Like, I had no idea. Like, people don't play about Wendy Ortiz work. I think that's fierce. I think that's amazing.

[Trish]

I won her on the podcast. She always like, oh, my gosh, you should mention me. And then I'm like, girl, you want on the podcast? And I'm here for her. Yeah.

And she's just like a. She's just a cute girl that just, like, talks on stream.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Wish I could me. I wish I could make $100 million doing that. That's crazy. It's crazy just being, you know, we love it. Cuteness can go a long way. Damn, if I was a cute girl, I would have been unstoppable.

[Oscar]

Tell me about it.

[Trish]

H. Maybe in another life. Are we coming back as going, I'm coming back as Ol. Andrea. That's what I'm coming back as.

[Oscar]

Oh, that's a good choice. Who Would I come back as.

Maybe one of the gays from, like, heated rivalry? Or I guess maybe they're straight. I don't know. One of them is bisexual. How do we know? One of the actors said he's bisexual. I forget which one, but I like that.

[Trish]

Yeah, maybe one of those.

Bi erasure is a real thing. You know what else is a real thing?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

What?

[Trish]

Over consumption.

[Moses]

Oh, can we talk about it?

[Trish]

This is what my, you know, all weekends were my platform. Actually, I came home last year. I'm like, Moses, tell me everything you know about over consumption and why it's bad. Because I was researching, I was googling. I was like, okay, I need to get to the bottom of this, okay? Because this is, like, very obviously I am no stranger to being over consumed. Okay, we have.

I have 100 bling cups. Okay? I have a fake Birkin right here that's blinged. I have a bling duck. All right, look, I know, right?

I'm not one to, like, lay the gavel down.

But I'm going to for a minute because I think it's important. As I have just learned in the past 48 hours, I need to educate because, you know, I never got it either. I was like, why is everyone coming from Michaela for having 50 black quilted Chanel bags in her closet? Or why is everyone coming for Jaclyn because she has 50 Stanley Cups? And now I know why. Okay.

First of all, our landfills, the toxicity going into our soils, the air we breathe. I was just thinking like, oh, climate change. What's that matter? Well, if we stop breathing, if we cease to exist, our oceans bring us life. I was Googling this. I'm like, what. What's. What's with the oceans? Who cares? It's the ocean. It's not us. It's not living. It's not affecting us. It's affecting everything. Also, they're taking up materials, water sources, making stuff we don't need. You know what I mean? How I go to Poshmark. How about just like, re. Re. Go to Goodwill. Do you know what I mean? How about just wear the same freaking clothes.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yep.

[Trish]

You know, how about wear a bag over a potato sack? You know, that's what I'm about to get. I. Yeah, I think we need to just stop buying. I also think. Look, I also think we just also need to stop showing wealth. Do you know what I mean? I think this is a very important thing because, look, I'm an influencer, right? Okay? I make. I make some pretty good money, but like, the flaunting of it now feels a little. Can I tell you, even spending money now on things that are just on me and not for, like, the greater good of, like, our society and humanity. Like, I'm like, okay, I get it. They don't have kids. And, you know, not everyone needs kids to, like, understand this, but, damn, I would like my kids to, like, survive till they're, like, 80, 90, but I really fear we all might collapse. I think. So the way our world is going. Do you know what I mean? Like, what. What? We might run out of water. Clean water that we're. That's what. We used to be able to drink tap water, and now we can't even do that. You know what I mean? Like, I feel. And I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it. Our kids are gonna feel it.

And bottom line is this, right? Everything's going up because of that, right? All these inflation prices. Why? Because, yes, they're. Everything's becoming more limited. People are not being able to afford food. And it's so real. And I'm being so serious about this, okay? I literally cried, like, in San Francisco. Oh, my God. Everyone on my meet and greet, they all had these stories and look, I always encourage a trauma dump. I do. I know a lot of people don't like it. I encourage it because I feel. It's nice that people feel safe for me to talk about this. This. But, like.

People who, like, can't afford to, like, feed, like. And not people that are just on SNAP benefits, just, like, people that are just working and stuff like that. Like, can't afford, like, formula. And, like, they're. They would, like, come to my shows and stuff like that. It's like.

I don't know. It's really sad because I met a lot of people outside the show that didn't even come in the show. And I was just like, I don't know. It's just. I don't know. Like I said, even buying something for, like, myself these days, and I'm just like. I don't know if that's, like, the right move, but showing it. I don't know. Spend your money how you want is what a lot of people say, like, to defend. You know, they make money, spend it how you want. Maybe not, like, flaunted in people's faces because there's some real. I mean, just people. Just people working hard, but there's people who, like, are working, like, three jobs and still can't, like, keep it afloat. I don't know. Just Made me sad. The whole thing made me sad. So I was like, I saw people. I get it. I also don't want to be that person that's like, oh, my God, don't show purses. Because, like, as most this, he's like, well, you know, you. I don't know if we should talk about it. And I was like, I think I'm the perfect person to talk about it because I am that first person to be buying way too much. But I think I need to start not doing that and just stop buying things. Right. I think that's the way to go. I don't know. It kind of made me sad. I went down a rabbit hole. I got really sad just knowing that, like, yeah, we're actually, like, destroying our planet. As someone who didn't know what climate change was, was six years ago, I think it's real.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

And I think it's. We're all doomed.

[Oscar]

Okay, well, I don't know if you should.

[Trish]

I think so. We're worried about Netflix and Warner Brothers. We should be worried about us humans. Will we make it? I don't know. Hopefully.

[Moses]

Hopefully.

[Trish]

I don't know. You're drinking tap water over there. I'm, like, trying to get you to stop. I was like, well, I'll stop drinking, but what are we going to do? So what are we gonna do?

[Moses]

Yeah, it's also not that, you know, because you said, like, forget about chatgpt or I. It's not like one or the other. It's both. Because it's like. Because they use the same. They use a lot of energy and water. So it's the same thing, like the waste of energy and the waste of water. So they're.

[Trish]

I think this is.

[Moses]

They're all. All in the same boat. So it's not like choosing one or the other, but addressing all of them.

[Trish]

Why are we so wasteful?

[Oscar]

That's a good question.

[Trish]

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[Moses]

Because. Because basically when you think about the billionaires like, you know, how did Bezos get all of his billions of dollars is from people just buying into. Because consuming right where it's like eating you. We're consuming the basically the bull. They sell us.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Because they just sell us something, you know, and it's shiny and interesting or fashionable. But at the end of the day, they're just draining us from our energy. And it goes to one too few individuals or a few companies. And what are they doing with that money? Are they making it a better place or not?

[Trish]

And that's the problem. And I'm not like, I think you can consume. You can't go around naked. Although I think we should sometimes. That's a whole other thing. Who started that? That we can't show nips in public. Like, that's crazy. But that's a lot of things I think you can consume, consume. I think it's consuming responsibly. I did see a tick tocker. He kind of ate. He's like, I think you only need one Stanley Cup. And I was like, honestly, He. He was talking to Jaclyn Hill, but I felt it too. I was like, you know what? Yeah, I probably don't need a thousand.

[Moses]

It's the only one I'll ever have.

[Trish]

Yeah, well, this is my only one. I'm keeping. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm start giving mine away so that way people don't have to buy new ones. I'm gonna start giving my stuff away. I think that's the way to go. I don't know. It's a tough one. It's tough because I love. I do love consuming things. But honestly, even. I'm not gonna lie.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Even.

[Trish]

See Michaela's black. All those black Chanels. I paused. I had to show Moses 30 quilted black Chanels.

[Oscar]

Is that new, or was that in the other.

[Trish]

Yes, it was a closet tour. She was showing someone organizing a closet that was. Ah, they all.

[Moses]

She wasn't showing the bag. She was showing the closet. Being organized. And as you pan suddenly realize there's a wall of Chanel bags.

[Trish]

30 black quilted ex.

[Moses]

They all look the same. Like, I wouldn't be telling one from the other. They look the same. Oh, to me.

[Oscar]

No, I mean.

[Trish]

It made me feel bad, and I. You know what I mean?

[Moses]

And there's guys that, you know, accumulate cars and they have hangers of them, and each car is a million dollars, and it's too much. There's like, everyone.

[Trish]

Can I say, I think, okay, if she wants to buy 50 Chanel bags, of course, her prerogative. Maybe just not the time and place right now. Just. The world is very sad right now, and I guess that's what I've learned getting out of my house. Maybe I need to. Maybe it make more people to get out of the house because I Like, left my house, San Francisco, specifically, this weekend. It was just like, really, it's really awful there right now. And it's like, it's sad because it's such a beautiful, like, city, but the times are, like, tough for everyone. Not just people that are unhoused on the street. Like, people who come to the show, people who can't get to the show, that just meet at the airport and stuff like that. Like, there's just like, it's just rough. It's like rough out there. And I just, I don't know, it's just.

I understand, like, working hard and like, spending your money. I think it's maybe just like.

I don't know. I'd rather see just people just like, donating, even if it's for show. You know what I mean? Be like, here's $20,000. Like, it just, it just feels better.

[Oscar]

Mm.

[Trish]

Try and do what I can, but my gosh, it's, it's. It's a tough one. I know it sounds, I know. Coming for me, it does sound weird. I know. I don't know if you talk about it. I was like, I get it, but it's also just sad and it weighed on my heart a lot. And, And.

Jacqueline was funny cuz she, like, I have a million Followers but only 30,000 people watching my videos. Like, girl, same, same. Sometimes people are just over you. Sometimes people are just over me on Tik Tok. Like, I'm definitely getting like 40,000 views right now on Tik Tok, and I'm like, maybe people are just over me right now.

[Oscar]

Yeah, maybe.

[Trish]

You know, like, I, you know, I didn't have to deal with the algorithm as an og.

I'm an og. Yeah, that's it.

[Oscar]

Yeah. The Jaclyn one was interesting because I feel like I do too.

[Trish]

I want her on the show.

[Oscar]

I like her.

[Trish]

Yes.

[Oscar]

I think it was just like layer, because it was like the algorithm thing. I think she just had done like, you know, the makeup haul or whatever or the unhauling, clearing out all her makeup. Like that was her video right before, so it was already kind of like unrelatable and then going right into that. And she has been doing a lot of like, more of like the luxury, the caviar and the chicken nugget.

[Trish]

That's crazy.

[Oscar]

Like, she was doing a lot of that kind of content. And then. Yeah, when she's asking like, why aren't I getting views or whatever, it's like, well, we just like, don't relate to your content anymore. There Was that I was a little like, girl, girl, whatever. When she was like, if I like want to take like a week off because I'm burnt out, then I get punished for it. And it's like, well, that's everyone with a job. Like we. I can't just be like, I don't feel like going to work today, so I'm just not gonna show up for a week and a half. It doesn't matter if I'm burnt out. Like my, my to go to the office. You know what I mean? That's what everyone. That's just how the world works. Like we still got to work even if we don't feel like it. That is where like the cuz I do have empathy towards content creators in general because I do think there are hard aspects to it. But again, like, there's so much privilege of like owning your own time, having your own schedule, getting be like, I'm going to go on vacation this month and then you can just go and.

[Trish]

That'S your work is going on vacation.

[Oscar]

True. Exactly. So it's like, it's when people like make it seem like, oh God, I can't just take like a week off and I'm like, girl, welcome to reality.

[Trish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Oscar]

So I do get a little like.

[Trish]

I know, but I think what you.

[Oscar]

Said is kind of the tea of like if you get out of your bubble. Because also like these people's all their like social group is other influencers. So like you can kind of commiserate with them and you can kind of get like a warp sense of reality. Like, oh, this is how the world is. But then if you, yeah, when you go out of your bubble and you talk to people who will have like regular jobs who like are affected by the cost of living, like wages are not getting higher, but the cost of living is getting higher. So like people are getting almost like bought out of the areas that they live in because they can't afford it anymore because the cost of living is going up. So yeah, like getting out of your bubble and like learning about this, like real world problems, it really does make a big difference.

[Trish]

I know it's like, it's insane because you hear about it, but I think it's like, until you like see it and I, I'm just talking like I was at the theater and just like outside of the theater, just like stuff you see and you're just like, damn, like, I don't know, it can be a lot and it's coming from someone who's also in this I've been in the same boat, you know, as them. So it's not like I'm trying to like judge, but I think it's a good learning lesson. Or she even asked, she goes, what? What is wrong with your content?

[Oscar]

Well, you know, she acknowledged it too. She was like, she did the follow up and she's like, I hear you guys. Like, yeah, this is make sense. Like so she it clocked to her. So that's good.

[Trish]

We love when it clocks.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Yes. My gosh. Mikayla, I do love your closets. I do think they're great. But also for safety reasons. Don't need to show all that.

[Oscar]

I get a little worried for her.

[Trish]

Oh the jewelry just Chanel. I'm just like, it's a lot like. And people like it. Like I read the comments and a lot of her comments like let her live her life. And I get that too. But.

It'S a lot. Moses, you need to stop spending so much money.

[Moses]

I know. I mean I wear clothes until they fall apart, literally.

[Trish]

You love a Ross because Ross is where they go when they don't sell at this main store.

[Moses]

When clothes go to die.

[Trish]

Yeah, but you love it. He truly loves a Ross. I just. Because I don't buy my size.

[Moses]

Well, it's. It's chaos. It's not a good place for you to go. Like I can sort through the chaos but for you it needs to be more like I know. Presented in a way that you can see what it is thing. But I don't care about if something is in fashion right now. I just get something that I always wear the same white comfortable and I like.

[Trish]

Another hot Topic and I forgot what it was. It don't matter. Anyways. Not trying to what I'm just saying. Huh.

[Moses]

The other one was with the rhinos. But they will come.

[Trish]

Rhinos are coming.

[Moses]

Later.

[Trish]

The rhinos are coming.

[Oscar]

I had protect the rhino knows no easy transition to it. But I have a fascinating Jake Shane hot topic.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Oscar]

Have you seen the. The allegations, the rumors?

[Trish]

No.

[Oscar]

He's in a relationship with role model Emma Chamberlain's ex boyfriend.

[Trish]

Okay. Where was this?

I haven't seen this.

[Oscar]

There was a TikTok that again, this was. It was all kind of very unserious to me. This one girl in New York made a TikTok. I'll Jimmy just insert it here for context.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

But.

[Oscar]

But this one girl just made the tik tok and she just claimed that she saw Jake Shane out on the street and he started making and she was going to go up to him and she just. He started making out with another guy. And then when she was passing him, she saw that it was role model Tucker. And there was another tweet that was like, oh, now that people are talking about this, I can finally say that people I. That that the exact tweet is. I didn't want to say this before because I wanted to respect their privacy, but since people are already talking about it, I saw Tucker and Jake leaving mud on the les on the lace. I don't know what it is, but holding hands to the holding hands the other day. So they left somewhere holding hands.

[Trish]

And just one person acclaimed this.

[Oscar]

No, this is a different person. A different person on Twitter said this and. And I was like, is this a joke? And I went to the comments of the TikTok and she. I think she was being a little unserious, but she kept saying, this is real.

[Moses]

Real.

[Oscar]

This is not satire. So this is all alleged. But then on the tweet everyone was saying, oh, wow, Tucker and Jake are gonna love this. So either way, I think if it's real, amazing. If it's not real, I think they're getting a kick out of it. But my message to Jake Shane is be careful about having a fake little flirt mance with a straight guy because it will break your heart at some point.

[Trish]

Wait, why are you saying this? From experience?

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trish]

What's yours?

[Oscar]

I had a flirt man with a straight guy when I worked at Target and I was like in love with him. And he would also like key with me and like be very touchy. But he was straight. He still is straight.

[Trish]

He. But he like led you on.

[Oscar]

We had a whole conversation like, you, you have a sense of hope. Like h maybe, but he gave you.

[Trish]

Like a big sense of hope. Like yours was his was like, oh, I would have thought the same thing. I would have been like, oh, yeah, we're in love.

[Oscar]

But still when I see Jake, cuz I mean Jake's the Sally, you know, they're like hug, they're holding hands. They're very touchy. He's on the podcast. I was time. They're like best friends. Jake is joking about his like sexiest. The people's sexiest man spread, you know.

[Trish]

So was he ever friends with Emma Jake?

[Oscar]

I don't think so, actually.

[Trish]

So there's no like girl color being broke?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Okay, that seems crazy, but.

Well, I haven't heard about any of this. But that makes sense. They're both it boys at the moment.

[Oscar]

I know, I just, I. I do. I Worry for Jake if he's being, you know.

[Trish]

Oh, you think he's being taken advantage of?

[Oscar]

Not taking advantage of, but like, maybe. And this is just me projecting. I feel like a spiritual connection to Jake. Shane, for some reason.

[Trish]

You've always loved him. He's great.

[Oscar]

One pocket. Oh, I guess I'm a. I don't think I'm a pocket gay anymore, but one former pocket gay. One current pocket gay. Like just a pint size fun gay. He's a current. I'm a former pocket gay.

[Trish]

What, you grew or what?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

Like, I think it would be teeny to fit in the little pocket. Not a comment on anyone's body.

[Trish]

I like that. That's cute. A little pocket. Little pocket game.

[Oscar]

I just wear, you know, I get protective. So just, you know.

[Trish]

Well, you have to have your heart broken a few times.

[Oscar]

True character development. And Jake loves Taylor Swift, so I guess if you got his heart broken, you'd be able to really say Taylor songs more. That's a plus side. It was fun getting my heart broken and like listening to Taylor Swift and be like, oh, I know what this feeling is.

[Trish]

Like, yeah, yeah, she get married soon. I saw that.

[Oscar]

I heard the rumor was next June or something.

[Trish]

Oh, I heard soon Google alert came up was like, Taylor Swift is getting married soon.

[Oscar]

Work. I'm don't actually. Cuz I'm scared for me, the amount of work I'll have to do if that happens.

[Trish]

But you love it. Don't you love covering Taylor Swift? To me, it's like, oh, work is dominoes. All right, Let me tell that pizza. Like, I feel like it's the same to me.

[Oscar]

It's too close to, like, I want to be able to enjoy my sister's moment. And then it's like, well, I have to work. I can't celebrate.

[Trish]

Really, girl.

[Oscar]

Because I'm. I'm on the clock. Yeah.

[Trish]

I think if I, like, love something and get to get paid for it, I'm like, all right.

[Oscar]

But I think it's different if we actually have to like, make like, you get to, you know, just be like, eat it. I have to sit there and like.

[Moses]

Yeah, he wants to just enjoy it, consume it and not work.

[Trish]

Fair enough. Me being out of touch influencer. I don't know. I was like, I just eat the pizza.

[Oscar]

What the.

[Trish]

I get it. No, I need to be a wear and learn and grow. Well, I'm really excited for our guests coming.

[Moses]

When I just went a little thing. It's happening live. When you guys looked at the domino's post. Did you see the comments? Did you talk about it? The comment in particular, Ms. Remy Ashton.

[Oscar]

You got her blessing.

[Trish]

Oh, my gosh.

[Moses]

She did it in all caps. It's happening.

[Trish]

Wow. Let me see.

[Moses]

Then. Domino's replied, not Remy commenting.

[Trish]

I love it. Who's running their ig? Oh, yeah, there we go.

That is so funny. I'm buying cheese pizza because of Trisha. Oh, wow. Everyone, Edible Arrangements is coming. Garnier is. Garnier USA is commenting. All these companies. Yeah. The prophecy has been fulfilled.

Wow. Wow.

I'm not gonna lie. It's pretty. It's pretty iconic what's about to come. It's not just a mukbang. It's not just a paid partnership. It is a collaboration. And I'm so excited. I just. I really felt in my element. You guys, more education coming for you. We're gonna get nominated for an educational podcast. I hope I explained what I meant to say about fossil fuel and climate change. Okay.

[Oscar]

Fossil fuel. But I think the sentiment I had.

[Trish]

I had it. I can talk about it.

[Moses]

It's all together. It's all.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Yes.

[Trish]

Depletion of minerals.

[Moses]

Yeah, minerals. Everything. All the stuff that's been made in China has to come here. So it's on boats and it uses fossil fuel and it's polluting the environment. And it's like there's so many elements to it. So shop locally. Things that are made near you.

[Trish]

Absolutely.

[Moses]

Support people in your community.

[Oscar]

Conscious consuming.

[Trish]

Ah, beautifully said. That's what I was looking for this whole time. That was great. That is what it is. Because we still need to buy stuff. I'm gonna still buy stuff, but conscious consuming. That was beautiful, you guys. Coming up next, we have our local vet people.

[Oscar]

Sexiest vet as well.

[Trish]

People sexiest this year. Or does that one point?

[Oscar]

I think at one point. But he still collab. They still collab with him all the time.

[Trish]

Wow.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

And he just has a lot to say about animals. And a rhino conservatorship.

[Oscar]

Conservatorship. Conservation conservatorship. Is Britney Spears.

Well, someone has to look out for their finances. Yeah.

[Trish]

I did my research on this. Okay. I know. I know about it and what we need to do to stop it.

[Oscar]

Yes. And there's also. We also have a surprise for you in this next hour as well. You have a surprise. What is that surprise for you? It's a surprise. I can't tell you.

[Trish]

In the next hour.

[Oscar]

Yes. So it's a. Oh, God. For this next.

[Trish]

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[Oscar]

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[Trish]

Excludes Massachusetts. Don't chew on that, Max.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

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[Trish]

Oh, now he's into Cooper's food. Wow, he is loving. What do you feed Cooper?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

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[Oscar]

He never leaves a crumb.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

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[Trish]

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[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Applause no.

[Trish]

We've been so excited. Oscar, you found Dr. Evan originally.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I think I saw. You know what, I was at the gym and you were on a show and I forget which network it was on, but you were doing like an educational animal segment on some show when I was at the gym and I.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Was like, were you on a piece of cardio equipment?

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Okay. So I did the Serengeti Safari series and this was with NordicTrack Equipment. So they were like putting in built streaming onto their cardio equipment.

[Oscar]

Wow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

So different experts around. They had like an Egyptian guy and some other experts, and I was the Serengeti safari expert. So we were doing like, it was like a 10 episode thing in the Serengeti.

[Oscar]

I think that's exactly what it was.

[Moses]

Wow.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And I was like, we should do an animal segment.

[Trish]

I love this. Okay. Yes, I am. I'm like, new to animal loving for sure. Like, I love. No, I love, I love the idea. You know, we're in the mountains, so we've gotten used to bobcats, tarantulas and snakes and, you know, you just have to be. Even coyotes.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Sure.

[Trish]

I think they're. They're kind of like, they're kind of sweet. I think they get a bad rap. Right. Like, they kind of are like, they.

[Oscar]

Run away from it.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Extremely intelligent. Yeah. They can get very comfortable with people and very habituated to, like, communities and stuff. I mean, yeah, they're, they're some are. They're very relatable in a lot of ways, but they, you know, you got to watch out for them. If you have little dogs or small pets, they can, you know, as a veterinarian, I've definitely seen, you know, our fair share of, you know, coyote attacks or attempted predatory moments.

[Trish]

Yeah, well, they seem sweet. Like, like they.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Well, I know they're not a good pet. They're not, like, they're not going to be sweet to a person. Yeah, they're gonna be, you know, as an animal, like. Yeah, like they're, you know, they take care of their cubs. They're super social. Like, they're, you know, there's a lot of relatable things, but not like as a pet kind of a thing.

[Trish]

Okay, good to know. Well, we've seen them and they kind of wander away. So I always think, like, okay, maybe they're not as bad, but I think.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

They get comfortable around people. They're just so habituated. They're like, you're not gonna hurt me. I don't have to worry about you. And to a point where actually it can be a problem. And that's where they're like, I'm gonna try to steal your dog right in front of you kind of a thing.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I'm not saying expect that. I don't want to, like, put this like, you know, say the coyotes are just like, awful. And I don't mean like that, but they can be very comfortable. Just like, you know how raccoons can be. Raccoons will be in your, you know, in your backyard, if you live Northern California, you might have a bear going in your dumpster. They get so comfortable. Same thing with these coyotes. They can habituate very quickly.

[Trish]

And they are wild animals. We are in there being in that side.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Totally. No, yeah. They've been here for way longer than we have. Right.

[Trish]

That's how I feel. And we are in the Conejo Valley, so I've also become accustomed to bunnies. They're my new favorite.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I know those little cottontail guys.

[Trish]

They're so cute. Not for pets here, like the wild ones. You would not suggest.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, I've never seen one as a pet, to be honest. They might habituate if they're, like, born in captivity and you, like. Maybe, but I don't even want to encourage that because, honestly, I wouldn't recommend that or encourage it. Also, it's probably not legal in a lot of states in California, pretty much. For the most part, as far as I know, any of the native wildlife isn't legal to have as a pet.

[Trish]

Oh, right. Like keeping it inside. Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

And those guys, they're not going to have the same temperature. You know, if you go to, like a pet shop or something like that, or rescue, which I always encourage. And there's great, you know, even small mammal rescues.

[Trish]

Rescue bunnies.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, absolutely. Big time. Yeah. Rescuers, reptile rescues. There's all kinds of rescues.

[Trish]

Yeah, that's the other. Okay, so that's the other thing. So we had the animals coming, which was a surprise, but you were so comfortable. You had a snake. What was the snake around you? We can show in a minute.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

The one you saw was a carpet python.

[Trish]

So you're not scared. Like, if you see a snake in the wild, are you, like, reaching out to touch it?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Oh, I'm like, certain snake species have been what's motivated me to go to a place in the wild to go see them in the wild. Like, I'm a huge reptile nerd. I love snakes. I love seeing them in the wild. I love working with them in captivity as a veterinarian or in the wild. Yeah, no, this. It's not like a. It wasn't a fear overcoming thing. It was like, I've always just like, nerded out on reptiles and love them.

[Trish]

The snakes seem sweet. We have a lot in our area too, and they seem like they seem smart.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I mean, they're smarter than I think they get credit for.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

And I mean, I'm sure everybody's heard stories of like, oh, the snake attacked me, blah, blah, blah. That's Just not the case. They definitely want to get away. I mean, if a snake seems aggressive or is aggressive, it's because you've cornered it or something like that. But if it has an out, it's gonna take it. So, yeah, they don't want anything to do with us. So just. I always tell people, if you're afraid of snakes and you see them on a hike or something or wherever, just give it space and it's not gonna bother you.

[Trish]

Yeah, just go the other way. That's what we've learned from all the animals. The bobcats. I just go away. I just be like, well, you can chill on that tree. They seem fine. They don't have a, like, jump out or attack. Okay, so when did the whole animal thing start for you?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

As long as I can remember, like a little kid.

[Trish]

You're talking to animals.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Loved animals as a little kid. I grew up in Kansas and we had a creek in our backyard until I was like seven or something. And for as young as I can remember, I was back there catching crawdads. And, you know, we had box turtles, were native to that area, and snapping turtles and, you know, garter snakes and. Yeah, I loved it. Just always loved it.

[Trish]

What'd your parents say? They encouraged you to pick the snakes?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, I was really lucky. Like, my parents definitely were encouraging of it. They didn't have a problem with it. They'd let me take stuff home for a day or something, you know, like have a box turtle and try to feed it for a couple days and then put it back in the creek kind of a thing. So, yeah, it was. Yeah, there wasn't any issues there. Luckily, that's a big thing too.

[Trish]

You're like rescuing animals at a young age.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I wouldn't call it rescuing. It was just kind of actually capturing them, if anything, to be totally honest.

[Trish]

Well, beating them, giving them a meal.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Trying to give them, like a good time. But no, Yeah, I mean, it was. It was a lot of fun, I'll tell you that.

[Trish]

And how did you become so social media famous? Like, you're, you know, so many followers for just a local. Because we're in an area that's not. It's not la, out of. Outside of la. So I'm like, wait, you live out here? Like, you work out here? How. How did that all start? How did you become so famous?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I, like, in 20, early 2016. Do you remember Bored Panda that knew. It was like. It was like a Huffington Post. They had like, you know, they'd online, you know, journalists or whatever.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Anyway, they did a piece on me, I'd like 10,000 followers and I was so excited. It was like a gradual build to that. I was like, awesome, thank you. I don't know how or where they found me, but when they did, then all the other outlets did and then like, things started just kind of climbing from there on the social media aspect and then, yeah, I've done a lot of other, you know, media, you know, pertaining things since then.

[Trish]

Wow, that's so wild to me because that's what we were talking about. I was just like, how you've been able to like parlay that. But your main thing, you said you still work at a vet and you still like, take care of it. So someone can just walk in with like a sick dog and be like, totally.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trish]

Oh my gosh, that's so.

[Oscar]

It is like, you also travel so much and you do so much with like actual like wildlife as well. So how did like working in a veterinary clinic translate into like, you know, going to like Africa and working with like, rhinos or different like huge wildlife as well?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

That was always a part of it. So when I was, even before vet school, okay. I didn't know I wanted to be a vet until I was after my freshman year of college and I changed majors and followed that path and never looked back. But around that time, I started doing volunteering locally at Wildlife Rescue in undergrad. And every year I would just try to make, at least, you know, make some time, like a couple weeks, just get out of the country, save enough money for a ticket and just go really cheap, like staying in, you know, garbage hostels and eating canned food or whatever, but getting somewhere exotic, going to, you know, Southeast Asia or going to, you know, Central or South America or whatever. And anywhere I went, I would reach out to local wildlife rescues and just try to volunteer. Volunteer and help out. So that was. Yeah, since before vet school. So during vet school, I took all the wildlife electives I could and all the, all the exotic electives I could and did also volunteer, you know, and I would travel between, you know, years of vet school and knew that I wanted that, I wanted that to be a big part of what I do as a veterinarian.

[Trish]

Wow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

And then, yeah, I mean, when I started, I've been working at the same place since we grad, since I graduated. And after I graduated, I did like a three month trip in Indonesia and Vietnam and same kind of thing, like doing a lot of, of like wildlife kind of work and getting out in the Field, too, for selfish reasons. I mean, even working with these animals is selfish reasons. Like, I love doing it. I really do for myself, but it's a way I can, like, give back to the wildlife that I. Than I've appreciated all my life, you know? But, yeah, I just love that stuff. Always been doing it since before vet school and that is so cool.

[Trish]

What's your favorite place? You visited?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. That's tough, man.

I've got a couple. Okay, so Indonesia is so amazing for wildlife. They have just these wild tropical birds, the reptiles out of this world, like some of the craziest crocodilian species and snake species. They got Komodo dragons, you know, the biggest lizard species in the world.

[Trish]

And you're just observing this in the wild?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, actually, I talked the guys into letting me stay on the island. That's not a typical thing, but I was like, can I just stay with you guys? These, like, rangers that just kind of take care of the island, they put me in this, like, one of their old shacks or whatever, and we had rats crawling on us at night. It was so funny. But, yeah, it was totally crazy.

[Trish]

What do you mean?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

The place was so full of rats, reptiles. So it. I was there for, like, four days. I got two. I caught two Javan spitting cobras. I saw multiple green tree vipers. The dragons are everywhere. And we're talking like, you know, total length, like, up to 10ft. I mean, they're here. They're like, you know, 150, 200 pounds.

[Trish]

Are they fast or no?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

If they want to be, they are. But these ones are very. Just like the coyotes we were talking about.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Very habituated. They're very used to people. They're not skittish. You can walk right next to them and they're like, whatever. They're just like. They see tourists and people here and there, so they're just. They don't mind it. And they're in the monitor family, monitor lizards. And they're really, really intelligent reptiles.

[Trish]

Wow. What do they eat? What do Komodo dragons eat?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Those guys are carnivores, total carnivores. So, yeah, there's actually a controversy as to whether or not they're venomous, because if you get bit by one, you're kind of.

You're gonna die, basically.

[Trish]

Oh, my God. And you didn't care. You were not scared?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

No, they're not. They're. When they bite, there's a couple things going on. So when they bite, it's because they're doing. They're. They're being predators. It's not like a fear bite kind of a thing. They know they're so big and this is a very unique island. Like there's no other. They are the apex predator. There's no bears there, there's no tigers there. There's nothing else there. So they're like the king of the hill. They don't stress about any of the animals there. And if anything, the other animals are gonna be their food. Whether it's the little. They've got this little. I forget the name of this buffalo, they've got a deer species there. They've got even some big, big mammals, right. And these guys bite them. But the thing is, they're low to the ground and then they bite these guys low on the legs a lot of times. And it's a nasty bite. You can't see how big they teeth, how big their teeth are. Just opening their mouth. But if you pull the gums up a little bit, they're really quite big and they're very sharp and they can really create nasty deep lacerations. And then these animals go in like little waterways and little creeks or whatever and they get septic. So I think, I don't think it's a venomous thing. I think they get bit and it's a deep, nasty bite. And then it gets highly infected. And then over the course of the next week or so, you know, they go, yeah, bad things happen and they don't. If they don't get consumed before then not to be. We're getting pretty dark, so sorry.

[Trish]

I guess realistic, I guess that's nature.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Nature's not pretty.

[Trish]

Yeah. I guess that's the circle of life.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And has there ever been an animal experience where you were afraid or are you pretty chill under.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I mean, I respect when I work with animals and can be dangerous. Right.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

So I've been in, you know, I've had moments where it's like, this is getting dangerous. You know, when I was very young, I would put myself in that situation and was like, oh, that was really dumb and things I wouldn't do today. And there's been other, you know, times where it's been as a veterinarian, like, you know, more relatively recent years. And it's just like, you know, this elephant's getting a little annoyed. He's getting a little, you know, angry and like that can be dangerous real easily. Even if they're not super acting out. It's a big, you know, 15,000 pound elephant. I've had cases, I had a good One where a jaguar started waking up early than we wanted to on sedation. And I had to do an oral exam on this guy because of what was going on. I had to look in the mouth. And so I did that when I was starting to kind of wake up. That was scary. Primates can be terrifying. They're the most unpredictable and they, they fight the dirtiest in a way, like all these other animals. They've got these certain kind of kill shot methods. Right. Like most the big cats want to go for your neck or the back of your neck or something like that. Crocodiles, you see how they move. They're very predictable. A monkey, you know, particularly like apes, like chimps, for example, I mean, they'll just go up, they'll, you know, bite your face off, they'll start chewing your fingers off, they'll rip off your genitals. Like they're like the genital of a human. Yeah, it's happened many times. You talk to people that work with chimpanzees, they'll for sure know somebody or they'll know stories at least of that happening to people you worked with.

[Trish]

Was it Dr. Jane Goodall? I just saw that you. Cause you posted about her. And how did that happen? How did that.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

A friend of mine that's become a friend since then reached out that works very closely with her.

[Trish]

And then you guys got to do stuff with chimps.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, well, yeah, we were in touch, we were doing. I was trying to help, you know, promote Jane stuff, especially if she came to this area and then, yeah, they reached out like, hey, we're doing a project. We're gonna be in the Republic of the Congo and we'd love to have you come out. And I was so lucky and just so, just that was just so special, like super full circle. And got to work with. Have you guys ever heard of a mandrill?

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. They're like, what's in a mandrill? Is it rafiki? Who's the. There's a character in Lion King, you remember the. Is he the one, the monkey that has the red and the blue face.

[Trish]

And the pink butt?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yes, that's a mandrill. So I got to work a big male mandrel. They're like a baboon, but way bigger and stronger and gnarlier. I mean, their canine teeth are like really, really like this long.

[Trish]

Where was he?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

And he's also native to Central Africa, the Republic of the Congo.

[Trish]

Oh, I see.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

These are Wildlife Guy. Yeah. So we were releasing him. We worked on a couple Chimps there.

And some. There was some birds there. I'm trying to think what else. Mostly primates. We were doing. We were doing some releases and stuff.

[Trish]

Is there any place to ethically see these animals? Like an elephant? Like, I know they have, like, safaris in Africa or those hotels to feed giraffes. Are those places to go or, like, not really.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

You know, that's unique.

There's some. Yes and no. There. Honestly, there are some places where you can actually have an encounter with an animal like that in a way that I don't think is a horrible thing. Listen, I'll say this, though. For the most part, by far, when there's animal encounter stuff promoted, especially outside the U.S. like, when you're traveling, if you're in Southeast Asia or even parts of Africa, it's most often not the best interest of the animals or even the species as a whole. Like, for example, like, elephants in Southeast Asia. Have you guys ever heard of Fajan? Or, like, how they get these guys in the tourism industry? So this is a kind of a heavy example, but they use these elephants for two reasons. One is for illegal logging, and the other is for tourism. And so what they do is they'll find wild elephants. They'll kill the mother in front of the baby. They'll torture the baby for weeks on end, like, physically and emotionally just abuse it. And the goal is to break the spirit. That's actually what Fajan essentially translates to is breaking the spirit. And so they're turning them into robots. When you interact with these animals, you can tell. Tell, like, something's off. Like, they're not. Their soul's not there. Like, their soul got, like, taken from them because of the abuse they endured. And they're, you know, they're every bit as emotionally intelligent as we are. They can experience any emotion we can experience. They can experience. And they go through this really horrible, traumatic stuff, and it's. Yeah. So if you see an elephant. You ever seen an elephant paint a picture for somebody? You ever see people go on elephant rides in Southeast Asia? Yeah, if you're seeing that, that elephant's gone through this. And so, like, that's the gnarly thing, too, is these tourists, they probably like animals. That's why they're paying for this painting or paying for this ride. And they have no idea that they're actually supporting one of the darkest animal industries in the wildlife world.

[Trish]

We've heard about it, but, like. Yeah, you never want to do it.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, Yeah. I always try to just put that message out there. Just don't do it. I mean, for the most part, it's just not a great thing. Like I said, there's some exceptions here and there, but mostly a lot of that tour tourism with wildlife stuff is like, there's something sketchy.

[Trish]

Same with zoos, you would say.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

No, I wouldn't say that, to be honest. I mean, zoos is such a broad term. Okay. Like you could see a little crappy roadside zoo and it's not a good place. It's not good for the animals. They're not doing anything for conservation. They're maybe breeding ligers or something that have nothing to do with conservation. They're not doing anything to help these species in big picture. But then you go to other, like establishments, AZA accredited, high quality zoos. They play a major part in wildlife conservation.

[Trish]

Really?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Oh, big time. In San Diego, perfect example.

[Trish]

Really?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

That's a great zoo. They do big things for species preservation. They educate the public, they, you know, get children exposed and people expose these animals. Most people, you know, they can't afford to go see them in Africa.

[Trish]

Right.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

And maybe some of those people might actually really care and maybe even want to give back to these animals or help them in the future. They do big things, you know, they've got DNA banks where they're help. That's a big part of keeping these species alive. So good zoos play a truly significant role when it comes to wildlife conservation. But zoos, again, you can call yourself a zoo, but you might just be.

Tigers in a dog crate kind of a thing.

[Trish]

Or SeaWorld.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, I mean, to be fair, SeaWorld, they do some things for conservation too. Yeah, they got a bad rap with. What was it called? What was that? Oh my God, that documentary like ten something years ago.

[Trish]

Blackfish.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. But I mean, yeah, they're not the worst. Honestly, like that, that was a mess. Like, that stuff's controversial. I'm not like crazy about going and capturing, you know, marine mammals and things and putting them in captivity. That's, that's not, that's gnarly, but like it gets worse.

[Trish]

Yeah, that's what's so scary, I think, like all of that, like you said, like getting to know because she loves to see the animals and it's like, yeah, you never want to do anything that'll hurt him because you'll see. What was the one like that, like the baby fell in the orangutan thing or something and he was gonna attack him.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Oh, the gorilla.

[Trish]

The gorilla, Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

A few years ago.

[Trish]

Yeah. And then everyone got like Mad at the gorilla. But I was like, well, I mean, I guess in all fairness, the one they had to.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

The one they had to. Yeah, no, that's.

[Trish]

Yeah, it's like. So.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Which kind of goes to what your other work and that you want to talk about was the. This is something I just knew because of you. Literally yesterday I was like, researching this and we were talking about it earlier today is the rhino conservation.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I'm so happy to hear that.

[Trish]

Yeah. So, okay, well, this is something new because, like, she literally just.

[Oscar]

She was reading it, she was like, rhino conservation. What is rhino conservation? And then she did get it confused with the conservatorship, which is. Yeah, like the rhino conservatorship.

[Trish]

Okay. So what I thought was really interesting because again, you think of, like, rhinoceros. Well, I guess I never think of, like, the hunting of it. All right. I don't. Like, I so far removed from that world and I don't know, people just go out and hunt for the fun of it.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Sure.

[Trish]

And I'm was like, yeah. And how. And I'm like, why? How? Okay, so you trim down. We can explain it better. You trim down their horns because people hunt for their horns.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Exactly.

[Trish]

So not to eat.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Nope. Nothing else kills the horn.

[Trish]

So they just shoot them.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

They shoot them, they kill them. They hack off the horn and they're done. And that's it. And wherever the rhino was killed, it's left there and its face is all hecked up.

[Trish]

Is this, like, legal? I guess, hunting? I'm so confused.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

No, it's not legal.

[Trish]

It's not legal.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

No, no, no, no, no, no. And in fact. So these horns. So why are they hunting the horns? Right.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

The horns are second to illegally mined diamonds, the most expensive thing on the black market, pound for pound. So they leave the country anywhere from 20 to 40, maybe up to $60,000 per kilogram of horn. So for every 2.2 pounds of horn, it's that much money just to sell it within or outside of the. Like, directly on the borders of the country there in its final destination, which is Southeast Asia, Paul. Primarily China, Vietnam, Laos, other Southeast Asian countries. That's where the demand is, really. And they can cost as much as anywhere from 50 to $200,000 per kilogram. So one rhino horn, which is just keratin, same material, slightly different in terms of how dense it is and whatnot, but it's essentially the same as fingernails and hair. It's keratin. Right. So that's why we call it a trim. It's not even surgical. We're not going into living tissue. We're not, you know, doing it working with any bleeding vessels or anything like that. It's just a trim. It's a fingernail trim. It's a horn trim. Yeah. One horn can be several kilograms, like a big horn. So that, like, a horn could be like upwards of a million dollars. Right. So that's why they're getting poached, and that's why people are after them. And so it's also. It's not legal to sell the horn outside, to sell it from where the rhino was poached to outside another country.

[Trish]

And so you. You trim it down because if they think it's like, they see that it's like, shorter, they're just not gonna kill it.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Exactly. And they still might, out of spite, they might, you know, give you the finger and say, we're still gonna, you know, screw you. Or they're thinking, we don't want to spend resources and time and energy that we tracking this rhino and then get up close and find out it doesn't have a horn. Just get rid of the dehorned ones. And so when you do dehorn somewhere, it is really, it's very ideal. You just get all the right rhino for that reason as well. Not just to protect every single rhino, but it's proven to be by far the most protective method to conserve rhino. That doesn't matter how much money you can invest in security and everything else. If you trim the horns, it's a bummer. We have to do it. But it's proven to be so successful compared to anything else.

[Trish]

And how often are you doing that?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

To answer your question, a year, year and a half. But ideally, there's areas where really we should be doing every six. It comes down to a budget and funding and just affordability thing. But ideally it'd be every six months, at least a year.

[Trish]

How do people. How do you get the money for that? How do you like?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, so I like, I work with Rhino911. That's one organization that does it.

[Trish]

Oh, lovely.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

And so we fundraise. And then, I mean, part of that, we'll have people come out on the trips, say, hey, you want to have like, the African bush trip of a lifetime, get up close and personal, work with rhino hands on and see what we do come out. And then they make a donation to help pay for it. You know, the veterinary care and the med and the drugs and just the people in the field and all the things. I mean, it's a big project. It's quite a production where we do it. You have to get approval by the government and everything. And we have to keep it super hush hush because there's a lot of these poachings are inside jobs and it's people that work in these parks because we'll see poachings in these obscure parts of a park. And it's like, how do they even know? Oh, somebody knew where that rhino was. Somebody that works in the park. Yeah, it's a gnarly industry. It's really dirty.

[Trish]

What is the value of these horns? Why are they so much? Because it's not like a kidney, like you can't like someone's body.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

So they'll say it's traditional Chinese medicine. As far as I understand it's technically not. If you actually look at authentic old, like, you know, thousands year old traditional Chinese medicine, they'll say, yeah, it can help with improve libido. Or like, for example, like.

Impotence is like a big reason. One of the biggest medical reasons they use it, they say it can keep, cure the flu. I think, I want to say, I hope I'm not wrong, but I think, I think one of the Vietnamese, like prime ministers or somebody in authority there said it cured his cancer, this rhino horn.

[Trish]

I see.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

So, and then, so that was like the big push at first was medical reasons. Yeah, These days it's more ornamental slash social. It's just saying like, yeah, it's like, it's like a diamond. It's like just showing your bling. But it's a rhino horn. You got a rhino horn cup or an ornament or a figure, a bracelet or whatever it is, or a whole horn horn, whatever you, you know, whatever you want to call it. Yeah, yeah, it's just to show, kind of just show your wealth or whatnot. But the thing is with the medical stuff, they'll cut in the drugs too. So you got a fever, you take some rhino horn, they cut an ibuprofen in the back, something like that. And they're like, that really helps. Or an impotence thing. They'll put in Viagra. And the guy that, no, that horn that worked. That worked. And they're like, yeah, the people. So. Yeah, but they pay a lot of money for it. They pay a lot of money for it. And it's been very destructive to our, I mean the population. You know, for example, the black rhino, those are like highly. Those are the most endangered rhino on the African continent. And 100 years ago, maybe it was the 1960s, actually. Yeah, 80 years ago or something. I think we had, like, 100,000 black rhino. Now we have, like, maybe three or so thousand. 3,000? Not 3,000 still.

[Trish]

So they're gonna become extinct one day?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, the Asian species, they're not far from there. They've got like, Sumatran rhino and Indian rhino, and they're like. I mean, less than 100, you know, maybe in the hundreds for one of those species. But, yeah, we're talking just like 60 of them or something, you know.

[Trish]

Oh, my gosh. How did you get involved in it?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

One of their people reached out to me initially, to be honest. Like, hey, we'd love to show you what we do. I My Instagram and, you know, my outreach was. Was bigger at the time, and they wanted to get more outreach. And then I just, like, that world is such a different world in conservation, and I fell in love with it for that reason. And it's not just because of the rhyme. I know, which obviously is a big part of it, is people. Because if you work in that world, it's not like conservation in other parts of the world, because it's like these people, they put their lives on the line. If you come across a poacher, you might be in a firefight. Like, it's big money going behind it. And so they take big risks, and that means they'll do big things that you have to be careful of when you're getting in that field. I mean, the poaching war is a war in Africa. I mean, more people have died, and Africa dealing with poaching and anti poaching and whatnot than Americans did in the war in Iraq, for example. Like, it's been several thousands over the last decade or decade and a half.

[Trish]

Yeah, you have to go security then, I guess, probably.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. I mean, and you got to be smart, too. I mean, we don't have security. Technically, we don't. We just, like, try to be intelligent about when and where we go and how we go about it.

[Trish]

I mean, that is amazing what you're doing.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Why should we get into those animals? Yeah. Okay, Oscar, this is your segment. Take it over. I didn't know this was the surprise.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

And I didn't know it was.

[Oscar]

This was the surprise.

From reptile family, who is. Another local friend is bringing some of his critters. Yeah.

[Trish]

Are you local, too?

[Oscar]

I'm just over at Oxnard.

[Trish]

Love that.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Super local.

[Trish]

Wow. Okay, well, let's. Let's take it easy here. Wow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

So you have these in here you have not this, this species, obviously.

[Moses]

It's all black.

[Trish]

It's all black.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Silicon black. Can you see the red knees?

[Trish]

Okay. I don't know if we have red knees in ours. Now we see these a lot of places.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Oh, the ones you guys have is all black. Yeah, of course.

[Trish]

Right? Yes. Okay, so this one is. Now, is this poisonous?

[Oscar]

Venomous, but mildly.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

There's no tarantula that actually is dangerously venomous.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, like if you get bit by one, it's not gonna feel great. And they do have big fangs. Like, it's gonna be not fun for a few hours. But none of them can kill you, really.

[Trish]

Have you been bit?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Not by a tarantula.

[Trish]

Okay. And what's, what's the benefit of a tarantula?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

They play their role just like any animal does. Ecologically speaking. I mean. Yeah, they're part of that. These guys are pretty ground dwelling. They just kind of hide out in holes. They're. I guess you could pretty much call them an ambush predator, essentially. And they just kind of wait for things to come across them and they'll just basically grab them, eat them up like.

[Trish]

Like a bug?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, I mean, some. Have you ever heard of a bird eating tarantula?

[Trish]

No. It's birds.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. Can't eat like little birds. I mean, even like small. This guy, he could eat a small lizard, no problem.

[Trish]

What, where's it go to?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

What's that?

[Trish]

Where does it go to? I don't see any fat. Like, where does it put it?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

In the abdomen.

[Trish]

But let's see.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

This, this little area here, that's his abdomen.

[Trish]

And a lizard is in there.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

This is a thorax.

[Trish]

How do they digest the abdomen?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

His GI tract would be in there. Yeah.

[Trish]

Wow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, we're talking a small lizard, like a, you know, a very small lizard. And it's smaller than other insects you've seen. For example, like a lot of lizards, even the native lizard species around here. When you see like a real newborn little baby, it's only a couple inches maybe.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

If that.

[Trish]

What about bullfrogs? We have a lot of bullfrogs. You think they eat those? We always hear the bullfrogs at night.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

If this guy, he'd be eating like a tapo or a tiny bullfrog.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

So. Yeah, okay.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, a bullfrog would eat him, to be honest. Bullfrogs have big mouths and anything that can fit in that mouth is potential food.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Oh, man.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

This is a very mellow, very mellow tarantula. You can see how she's moving. She's not, like, postured up.

[Trish]

She's relaxed.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, she's pretty chill. I mean, tarantulas are a little bit harder to read than some other animals you might work with, but yeah, she's pretty easy going. You saw when Matt pushed her onto my hand, she was very mellow about it. Would you like to hold her? Have you ever held a tarantula?

[Trish]

I've never held a tarantula.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I think you should.

[Trish]

Okay. Are you sure?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Absolutely.

[Trish]

Okay. Should I be calm?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, you are calm.

[Trish]

Okay. All right.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

You're good. Just hold your hand out like this. I'm gonna. Just kinda gently. Are you just kinda gently wedge you?

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trish]

She's really sweet.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, she's already feeling for it, so I'm just gonna gently. Just kind of get her little feet. Yeah, there she goes.

[Trish]

Aww.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. Okay, so you can see her fangs. You see those two little nubbin projections in front of her face? Yeah, her fangs are kind of in there. She's great. Yeah, she's moving slowly on you. She's not stressed. She's feeling. She's smelling you. She's looking around. That's a very mellow tarantula. She looks great.

[Trish]

She's like, I'm at home. She can be here. We have plenty of them.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

You told me you were comfortable with animals.

[Oscar]

You look pretty.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Like you. Yeah, most people, if you put it, they're like. They're having little panic attacks and they're shaking and you're like, it's trying to be better.

[Trish]

We rescue spiders in this house. You know, if there's a spider.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I'm so happy to hear that.

[Trish]

Yes. We do not. Right. We see a spider and we take them outside.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I love that. I do the same.

[Trish]

They need to be outside with their. With their people.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

They gotta be out with their people.

[Trish]

Oh, my gosh.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

What is.

[Trish]

What's her name?

[Oscar]

Her name is Ruby.

[Trish]

Ruby. Wow. Is she okay?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

She's great. She's just checking things out.

[Trish]

All right, Ruby. Well, you are absolutely beautiful. Yeah, I'm a big fan. I think I like tarantulas. All right. Just moving. I don't want her to fall.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

You know what use. Just tap her little back feet.

[Trish]

Where's the feet?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

The little. The little part of the back leg. No, no, no. These. These book. Yeah.

[Trish]

Wow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Give her a little tap on that one there.

[Trish]

Okay, let's go. Wow. There we go. Wow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Trish]

What a star.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

She's such a good ambassador. So this is like a perfect animal for like, if you were doing Ed. Sorry. This is a perfect animal for, like, educational experiences with children.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

And that's so. To me, that is so important to get kids exposed to animals, just for them to be comfortable with them and maybe even get them passionate about them. And may, you know, may animals be. Might play a big part of their lives later on for some of these kids. But the more you expose them at these younger ages, it plays such. It can play such a big role in their life. A lot of times it's things they'll.

[Trish]

Never forget, especially spiders, because I was always taught to be scared of spiders and snakes, and I feel like we're trying to make her be one with them. Oh, my gosh. Well, this was beautiful. Okay, what do we have next?

Do you guys know each other? Have you guys known each other before?

[Oscar]

No.

[Trish]

No.

[Oscar]

First time meeting.

[Trish]

Did you hear People's Sexiest Vet? Is that what I heard?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Trish]

When did that happen?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

The first time was 2014.

[Trish]

Oh, you. Multiple times.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Three times.

[Oscar]

Wow.

[Trish]

And they just find you.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. I'd never found out you didn't have the campaign. I didn't. I wasn't. I honestly, I was like, how did you guys. I had no idea.

[Trish]

Wow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I was making some educational YouTube. I mean, I didn't have a following or platform or anything.

[Trish]

Wow. Dancing with the Stars next. I could see you on.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

They actually did reach out, and then they ended up going with somebody else. It was like, a few years ago.

[Trish]

You said yes. Did you say yes?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I was open to it, but then they just ended up at just.

[Trish]

Okay, next season. You and me, next season. I'm so excited. Okay. Wow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

This is a carpet python. Also another amazing ambassador, and she's got some iridescence. This is a pretty snake. Have you ever heard of iridescence before? You ever heard that term?

[Trish]

I mean, I know iridescents, like color nails and stuff.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, same thing. So if you look at the sheen, how the light hits her skin, it almost kind of has, like, a rainbow effect in a way. Do you see that in certain lights?

[Trish]

Yes. Yes.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

It's subtle.

[Trish]

Even her tongue is a little irritated.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

She does have a little bit there. Yeah. So this is a carpet python. These guys are native to Australia, like, tropical Australia.

[Trish]

Okay. What's the tongue mean when they do that?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

They're smelling. And so the tongue also. Do you notice how it's forked? It has two little. It goes into two little projections at the end. Do you see that?

[Trish]

Yes.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

You'll see it goes two ways, right? So every time they're sticking their tongue out, they're then bringing it back to their vomeronasal organ, also called a Jacobson's organ. What they're doing is they're bringing that smell back in to see what they can taste and how they can learn about their environment. That way they're smelling. And the reason they've got two parts, then the tongue goes in two directions, is now they can compare both sides. And so if on the left spike, it's a little more than the right spike, it's something they're interested in. For example, whether it's pheromones from another snake or. Or it's a potential food item, they'll go that direction. So it kind of helps them navigate, essentially.

[Trish]

Wow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. And she's really. Have you held a snake before?

[Trish]

Not like this. Not like this, no. I had one once around me, but it was placed on me. Okay. I don't know.

[Oscar]

You don't have to.

[Trish]

You come over here and do it.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Oh, you should. This is a beautiful. This is a special snake. This is a.

[Trish]

But how. How do I. Cause I don't want to jump.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

You're not jumping. You're being great. I'm gonna kind of set her on your arm. Just bring your hand.

[Trish]

But where's the. Where's the face go?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

It goes wherever it goes. But she's. This is a very. I wouldn't put, like, a gnarly, aggressive, snappy snake on you.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

This is a very tame, mellow snake.

[Trish]

Okay. How do I hold her?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Just like that.

Yeah, that's it. Actually, I'm just gonna get the rest of her on you here. So you can say I officially completely held a snake all by myself. Yeah. Your left hand under that? Your right hand. Perfect. Right there. And I'm gonna redirect her head your way once you. You got her? Yeah.

[Trish]

Are you sure?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, 100%. This is a mellow snake. This is a very mellow snake. When a snake is just casually exploring like this, they're not backing away from you. I mean, listen, if she wasn't, she would be looking at you, and she would be opening her mouth, and she'd be trying to strike. I mean, trust me, she's. I can assure you this is a very chill snake. This is a great ambassador. Educational ambassador. This is the kind of snake you want people to get introduced to. This is the kind of snake that warns people up to snakes and might even change their opinion about snakes. She's a beautiful snake.

[Trish]

My husband is a snake in The Chinese zodiac. So it was my son, Aquaman.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Oh, right on.

[Trish]

We love a snake. Shedding negativity, Shedding everything. We're getting the Year of the Horse. Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, we love.

[Trish]

Do you love the snake?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

So you want to see something cool?

[Trish]

Yes, I would love.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I want you to look at. I'm gonna try to redirect her head. I want you to look at her upper lip and look at those kind of vertical slits going down her upper lip. Do you see those slits on the top lips? Those sense infrared heat, so it's like a sixth sense. She can actually sense a heat signature. She can sense warmth coming off of.

[Trish]

Something, like inner warmth or hotness, like actual warmth.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Like if we.

[Trish]

I am sweaty at the moment, so.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Like, she would sense. Like, she would sense that off of, like, your hands, for example, compared to your sweatshirt. She will be able to sense that. And it's like I said, it's like another sense for them. Well, for them might be. You call. Might call it a fifth sense, because they don't exactly have hearing. They can feel vibrations, so they can kind of hear in a sense, if you will, but they kind of. They don't have ears.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Okay. If you look at a snake, look at the side of the head. You don't see an eardrum or anything. We'll have a lizard here, and I'll show you the eardrum on a lizard, and you're not going to see that on a snake. And she. Look at that pattern. Isn't that just stunning? I mean, she really. She's a really good ambassador of her species and of snakes in general.

[Trish]

Well, I.

I think we should also do a PSA to stop killing the snakes, right? No snake boots, no snake purses. It's beautiful.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I mean, those guys are coming from farms, but even just in your backyard, I mean, people have this fear of snakes where they can't distinguish from a venomous snake or not. I'm not even saying you should necessarily kill venomous snakes in your yard, but people just don't like snakes, and they just don't understand them. They fear them. I feel like I have a soft spot for a lot of these misunderstood animals, like snakes. Snakes and sharks and spiders and rats and things like. These are really neat animals, and they have their role, you know, where they're native to and the ecosystems and, you know, how they play a part in nature.

[Trish]

Oh, my goodness. That's pretty. He's pretty cute. I'm not gonna lie.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

It's a beautiful snake.

[Trish]

Or she. Sorry. She. He. They what's the pronouns?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I would actually call this a female. Is it, boy, doesn't matter.

[Oscar]

I've been wrong more than once, maybe. Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I'll tell you why I think it's a female, perhaps. Okay. With males. This. Okay, do you see this? That little.

[Trish]

Yes.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

That's called the vent. Okay. Everything that leaves her body, not including, like, she pukes or something, but everything that would otherwise leave your body from the urinary tract, the reproductive tract, or the GI tract, comes out of that one hole.

[Trish]

Wow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Okay. That's called the vent. This is her tail. This is essentially where a snake's tail is. People might not know snakes. They might think the tail is everything past the head, it's just a big long tail, Right? No, she's got all these. She's got all the same organs pretty much as us, for the most part. And all those organs are in her body. And then this is actual tail, and that's where everything leaves the body. And with a female snake, what you'll see is. Yeah, I'm gonna just clean this out. With male snakes, they have hemipenes. You ever heard of hemipene?

[Trish]

No.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

It's essentially like two.

Yeah. So you get the right idea. So they have two, and all they do is function for reproductive purposes. There's no urine. They don't urinate through them. It's literally just reproductive. So snakes and lizards are in the squamate family.

[Trish]

Male with female. What if it's a gay snake? He can't just have sex for fun?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I don't know.

[Oscar]

Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I can't speak on that. I'm not sure, honestly. But, yeah, with the males. All I'm getting at is males have hemipenes and they start at the vent and then kind of track caudally, meaning towards the end of the tail. And usually with males or with females, if you get to the vent and you see the tail is, like, noticeably skinnier compared to the body on the other side of the vent. Do you see how it kind of tapers? Do you see how it kind of gets a little bit skinnier there?

[Trish]

Yes.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

That tells me it might be female. Sometimes you can kind of palpate there and see the vents. Actually, this is something we should talk about.

[Trish]

What?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

This is very cool. And you don't see this on most snake species. Really? Some pythons. Do you see that little claw?

[Moses]

Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

It's actually like a little. Like a little toe with a claw. Right. And that's exactly right. That's a vestigial appendage. So what that Means is snakes evolved from lizards. That's where all snakes are from. They branch off from lizards. And so this is essentially just a remnant of what this animal used to be, essentially. Or what the snakes used to be. And you only see that really in python.

[Trish]

Wow, look at it. Do you see it, like, weaving around the chair? Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

She's very strong. So these guys. These guys technically are spending more time on the ground, but they can still be very effective on branches and being arboreal, meaning, you know, spending time, you know, climbing around trees and branches and whatnot.

[Trish]

This snake is gonna get left in here. I mean, not a fear. We love. If she does, my husband takes a snake, he'll handle a snake, no problem. He picks snakes up in the garden all the time. Like you need.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, I mean, the oni snake that you wouldn't want to pick up by hands, a rattlesnake. And you can so quickly distinguish them.

[Oscar]

You hear a rattle?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, you see a rattle, you hear a rattle. I mean, the head shape every. I mean, but you don't have to be an expert to see that's a rattlesnake.

[Trish]

And what do you do in that situation?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

It's not a rattlesnake. I just leave it alone.

[Trish]

You don't run.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. If you see a rattlesnake, let me know in your property. I'll take it off for you myself.

[Trish]

But, yeah, call.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Oh, you will?

[Trish]

You're gonna come get it?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I'd be happy to.

[Trish]

Okay, that's crazy.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

But, yeah. But if it's not a rattlesnake, you have got nothing to worry about.

[Trish]

I don't think you have rattlesnakes.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

And I'm not speaking for everywhere in the world. Yeah. I'm just saying if you live in Southern California and you see a snake that's not a rattlesnake, it can't hurt you or anything that you would be worried.

[Trish]

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[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Trish]

All right, little snake. You did a great job.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Special snake. She's beautiful.

[Trish]

Yeah. You have great animals.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

He's got great animals. All of them are awesome. Ambassadors of their. Of their, you know, as a species. They're all great for education. They're super calm. They're super cool. Not all reptiles are like that.

[Trish]

Right.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I work with some of you, work with some reptiles, especially, like, wildlife reptiles. Some of them can be chill, but some of them can be not chill.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

It's not like. Yeah, you just. Because you don't. You held that snake. But I don't want you to think, like, oh, if I go pick up some snake, it's not chill. I gotta be honest, I've picked up wild snakes, and they're pretty mellow. Like, you just don't know. But some of them are not.

[Trish]

No, I'm not about that life. They're about that life. They'll go to the snakes, but.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Oh, my gosh, this is a beautiful one.

[Trish]

Look at this.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Kind of take her at the chest there. Yeah, perfect.

[Trish]

Ooh, what is this one?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

This is a red tegu.

[Trish]

Is this a crocodile?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

No, this is a lizard. This is a lizard species. Oh, we talked about this. Can you see this little. That little kind of clear, ish thing? That's a tympanum, or the eardrum. Same thing. We have a tympanum in our. We have eardrums. They've got eardrums.

[Trish]

This one. One is horrible.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

So this one's a little busier, and she's trying to kind of get somewhere.

[Trish]

She's swimming. Nice.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

This is a Mexican red tag. These guys are native to, you know, southern North America. Mexico. Hi. Busy one. So she's. She's not showing that she's aggressive, right? She's just kind of on the move. I don't know. She's uncomfortable. I'm gonna just reposition to see if I can get her chill out a little bit. Support her.

[Trish]

Okay. Yeah, there it is. Wow. Okay. Animal whisperer. A vet, actually. Doctor.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. With lizards for the most part. If you handle kind of their shoulder girdle and they're like their hip area, that's your best bet. They're not necessarily. Definitely gonna calm down, but that's gonna support them the best. You know, you try. You don't. If they're long you don't want to leave their back hanging, but you just kind of support along their body like that. That's gonna be your best bet.

[Trish]

Wow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, these guys are beautiful. Right? So this is one of the bigger lizards you're gonna see on this side of the world.

[Trish]

Wait, where are they from? Where do they originate?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

They're Mexican. Yeah, it's like southern North America, basically.

[Trish]

You think it's like, walked up here?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I think it was probably born in captivity, if I had to guess. Yeah, a lot of, like, the, like, species like this that you see are like, you know, ball pythons or bearded dragons or leopard geckos. These more common reptiles, they've been bred in captivity for a while, so they're not, you know, a lot of reptiles are taken from the wild, don't get me wrong. And a lot. A lot of the different species you see in captivity originated from that kind of a thing, obviously. But yeah, these guys, I don't know for sure, but that's what I would assume.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Most likely. This was in a carver box at the vet's office in Thousand Oaks.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Nice. Okay. Wow.

[Trish]

Almost 20 years ago.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

I called and said, hey, we have a lizard in a box this morning.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Isn't that cool? She's almost 20 years old. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Some of these lizards and snakes. The last snake we saw was 20 years old, right?

[Oscar]

Teen. Yeah, late teens, yeah.

[Trish]

Wow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I've got a lizard that's 30 years old.

[Trish]

Oh, wait, how long do they live?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I mean, I don't see many that are in their 40s. So these are old reptiles. I mean, these guys look great. I don't, you know, you take good care of them. They could easily, you know, she could easily live another. Another 10 or so years, I would guess. I don't know.

[Oscar]

The.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

The oldest Tegu, to be honest. So we were talking about Komodo dragons. These guys have an evolution. They kind of branch off, evolutionarily speaking, from monitor lizards. And it's these guys. Tegus, have you ever heard of a Gila monster?

[Trish]

No.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Gila monsters and varanids, which are Komodo dragons, are Veranid. Veranidae, which means monitor lizard. These are old World, meaning African and Asian. But they all have civil. They come from the same branch evolution. Evolutionarily speaking, they kind of all denote. From the same ancestor there. And this is this. This kind of is like the new world version of a Komodo dragon. They're a little bit more omnivorous to a degree compared to monitor lizards. All but one are Carnivores, there's one exception, but otherwise they're carnivores a lot.

[Trish]

Smaller than a 10 foot Komodo.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, yeah. I mean that is the biggest lizard on the planet is the Komodo dragon by far.

[Trish]

Could you end this? 10ft?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Oh. Oh my gosh.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I've seen a red taga get a little bigger than this, a little thicker than this. Like the boys, they can get a little bit longer. But I mean this is a pretty good sized animal. She's got a good body condition. She's beautiful. And you wouldn't know it because she's so melon. She'll stick out her tongue too and she'll kind of smell. Yeah. See that nice long tongue, also forked. I see it's got two directions. Not super common amongst lizards. I mean a lot of little geckos and things will. And the monitor lizards will. But it's. This is one of the few lizards species and do this kind of tongue sticking out, tasting the air kind of a thing. But yeah, these guys also, believe it or not, they've got a nasty little bite. Their teeth are much longer than they look. Just looking at the gums and all this, this, I mean, part of its skull like right around here, but like this and this. That's muscle for that bite. And it's a bite. It's really a bite.

[Trish]

That one is. I believe it. This one looks a little crocodile y to me. A little alligator. Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Trish]

But we. Are they okay to be around crocodiles? Alligators? No. Run if you see them. Don't run or run. What do you do?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I mean, I'm the kind of person where I want to go see them so I'm trying to get in and where, you know, see crocodiles and alligators and they're the same. I mean, listen, there are parts of the world where there are crocodiles of a size or even alligators technically. That could be man eaters. I mean like you are. They see you and they your food, your potential food. That's like the only reptile that I can think of of where it's like, no, you could be on my menu. Like I would eat you. And they can and they do in some parts of the world. But this is. Yeah. Even like, even the American alligator, they have to be pretty big and they do bite on people and people have gotten pretty injured from them. Don't get me wrong. But we're talking more like saltwater crocodiles, Nile crocodiles in Africa. The saltwater crocodiles are in Australia. Like the carpet python we saw and some of the bigger species, but they're very skittish in general. I've been, shoot, I've seen, I think, more than half of the species of crocs and gators and caimans and gharials, you know, all the things in the crocodile family. I bet I've seen more than half the species that are native to the world. And every one of them is skittish.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

The only one that's ever made kind of an aggressive move wasn't because they thought I was food, but it was a mama. And crocodiles are unique in the reptile world. As parents, particularly the females, they'll take care of their babies, they'll look after their babies. And they're like a safe haven for the first year, a couple years. Otherwise, for the most part, reptiles, when they're born, whether it's from an egg or they're born just as a little animal that pops out, they're like a miniature version of an adult. So they have the instinct and the pre wiring to survive on their own. Find food, find resources, find habitat, everything and just function. They don't have care, caretakers or parents or moms or anything.

[Trish]

Wow. Independent queens. This one is amazing. This one loves you. She's sleeping. She falls asleep.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. Reptiles sometimes, especially Tegu's a monitor. Sometimes they just do this. Like, I don't, she's not sleeping. I don't think she's gonna sleep like this. She's, she's calm, she's not stressed. She's like, she's chilling. Like, you can see she's, she's comfortable. But I think it's like, I think it's like an awkward. Like they just, they're just kind of, of like dealing with it. They're just like, okay, we're hanging out. I mean, if you have these guys as a pet and they know you and they would know you individually, you as a person versus somebody else, if it's your pet, they'll chill with you. But it's more, I think, to. For other reasons. It's not because they want to cuddle. It's because they want the warmth or something. Like, like I said, these guys are mostly, when they're born, they're like a little adult. They don't have any motivation to be social. There's no need to be social because why are other animals social? Like dogs, for example, which are native, you know, come from wolves or you think about anything in that family. You want to be social because you hunt together. You Groom each other, you look out for each other. You do all these things where we like to cuddle as beings because we want to be with these other animals because they're part of how we survive in the wild with reptiles. For the most part, that's pretty much not the case. I mean, there's some things like alligators and maybe some crocodiles might do certain kind of hunting techniques and the water together. I forget what it's called. Matt, do you recall what that's called when you got alligators lined up across the waterway and they got their mat? There's a term for it. I'm forgetting it right now. But there's certain areas. You might see alligators all lined up in an area and they're kind of. They're all benefiting from being there. So they're working together socially and they're hunting. And when they're all lined up, anything swimming through, it's hard to avoid. So they're gonna. They're gonna eat better as opposed to just one on it own. Trying to swim on both sides of a running waterway.

[Trish]

Working as a team. Would you ever do your own. Have you done your own TV show?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Trish]

No.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

You have Evan Goes Wild.

[Oscar]

Oh, my gosh.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. It was a lot of fun.

[Trish]

Wait, when did that air? I didn't even see that. I was researching you.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I did not see that.

[Trish]

Oh, so recent.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, kind of recent. Yeah.

[Trish]

Would you do more?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I'd love to. Yeah. No, we had a blast. Like, we didn't get a second season. Because animal planets higher ups change, you know, they change often and quarantine, they want. They want new content and new stuff. They want it to be their baby and they don't, you know. And also, it was a budget thing too. It was a very expensive show. And they were having every bit as much success with other shows that were much cheaper, other new shows. So they're like, you know, this just makes more sense from a business perspective, which I understand.

[Trish]

We need you back on it.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. I loved it. That was like a dream come true. I, like, ever since 2006, I was like, so inspired by, like, Steve Irwin and Jeff Corwin and these guys, and like, you know, they promoted wildlife conservation in a way more than anybody else. Jane Goodall is up there too. Obviously she didn't have a show about it, you know, but, I mean, but. But in terms of her outreach. But I was like, you know what? I want to do that, but also be able to help individual animals. As a veterinarian, like, I can promote you Know the conservation side and the wildlife as a whole. But I can also go, you know, vet on and, you know, try to heal and work with, you know, individual animals that might need it.

[Trish]

And that'd be such a good show, too. Like the emergency room shows, but, like, vet emergencies.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, right.

[Trish]

To see, like, you bringing, like, an animal back to life or healing an animal.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

No, some of those can be really successful. Yeah, no, those can be really fun, too. Like the in practice shows. She's super mel. This is another awesome. You have such good ambassador pet, like, critters here. I mean, she's such a good educational animal. You can hold her. Have you ever held a lizard this big?

[Trish]

Nope.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Would you be okay with that?

[Trish]

Should I try? Are you sure she's okay with it? Okay, just.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

You're just gonna support her just kind of again, under the shoulders, under the hips, just like that. You can even put her belly on your lap a little bit, and she'll come more under her hips. Like here, this area.

[Trish]

Are you sure?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just kind of open your hand up a little more. I'm just gonna help. Yeah, help me come, like, right here. Kind of support her. There you go. Kind of try to straighten her up and get under her shoulders there. Keep her flat like a baby.

[Trish]

This is not like a baby.

[Oscar]

You can even.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I think Matt's right. You can kind of bring her in a little bit more and, like, some support. Like, kind of hold her like this a little bit more. Okay, Maybe I'm gonna show you here. I knew how.

[Oscar]

You did a great job.

[Trish]

I want to, but I'm so bad.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Just if you hold her against your body here.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

She's fine. I got her.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, there she goes. Bring this hand a little forward a little bit.

[Trish]

This hand?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. Your right hand. Sorry.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, there you go.

Total natural. Total natural.

[Trish]

I never even held dogs.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I would not guess that you're, like, scared of animals. No. You're really comfortable. You're not showing anything. Not outward signs that seem obvious to me. You seem very, like, open to everything.

[Trish]

I think because we're here since we moved here about five years ago in the mountains. I really do see the coyotes on my walk, and I feel like they understand me. I'm like, can we just go away from each other? Like. Yes. I feel like I've talked to animals on hallucinogens before, so I really do feel like they can speak to us just in a different.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Like, dogs and cats or.

[Trish]

Yeah.

Have you spoken to dogs?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I mean, when I speak to Animals, if you will. It's just like body language. And there's. You can say they don't speak English, but they say a lot.

[Oscar]

Where are their ears?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Where's their tail? How are they, you know, even their eyes, their face expression. I mean, you can see. So as soon as I walk into an exam room, for example, I can tell within less than a second, is this dog going to be approachable or not? You know, you can just tell. You can just see things. Yeah, you read body language. So they do say a lot. And they're very honest. They're not. They're not lying about it or being fake. Like whatever. They're exhibiting sitting. That's how they're feeling.

[Trish]

Yeah, that's what we like, animals. They're honest and real.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yes, exactly.

[Trish]

Humans. So I'm trying to get more in the animal routes.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, no, that's good for everyone.

Her chubby little legs too. I love that.

[Trish]

Oh, my gosh.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Is this camera on? Let me do this camera. Let's do a picture here. Jeez. Oh my gosh. She's so beautiful.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

She is.

[Trish]

Can people just come see these animals at your place or.

[Oscar]

No. I recall we do a lot of education, so mostly outreach.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

So he's going to schools or birthday parties or doing things where people, they want to have good animal ambassadors.

[Trish]

Oh, you do?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

He brings them. Yeah, he's great for that. These are such good animals. Everything he's brought out. And we saw a lot more animals than what we're gonna have here. I mean, every single one of them is a great ambassador. They're gonna be good around kids. They're gonna be good. They're used to this stuff. They're comfortable with new people.

[Trish]

My husband was so excited to see me hold.

I know, I want a mouth. Would have seen me hold this. No, cuz like I. Yeah. Animals in general, I used to be really squeamish with, but here, even you're a total natural. Thank you. You really are.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Honestly, you're like, you're good for it.

[Trish]

We save the bees here too.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I love that.

[Trish]

Yeah, We've been putting water away from our pool, so we put buckets of water up high to leave them to.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

That instead of us.

[Trish]

Cuz we're like, these bees were everywhere.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Oh, they love the little puddles and stuff.

[Trish]

Yeah. So we've been trying to save them. I know. Now we're just, you know, really trying to save all the animals out here. Oh, there it is. Yes. Oh my God. He's so cute. She's so Cute.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

It's great just looking right at the camera too.

[Trish]

Oh, my gosh.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I love their little. Their little necks too. They got these big fat kind of dewlaps or something. There's these big chubby necks here. Yeah, the jowls. Jowls. They're very jolly. The males are really. You get a Mexican red taga boy, it's just like, boo.

[Moses]

Boo.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

And the bigger, the better. Better. It's like. Yeah, it's. Yeah, I guess. I guess it's equivalent to jawline.

[Trish]

Sexiest lizard alive, people, right here. I love it so much.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I'm telling you, that snake is very chill.

[Moses]

That.

[Oscar]

That's right.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

This is chill.

[Moses]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trish]

The tarantulas. I am, yeah. I'm also one with the tarantulas and all of that. So it's been wonderful. Is that all the end. Or we have a turtle or we're. Should we. Are we done with the turtle? Wow. Not the tortoise.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yes. Okay, so the tortoise.

[Trish]

Is this the tortoise or some carrots?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

This is the tortoise. This is both. The celery spine. We can start with that. We'll take some carrots too. Thank you.

[Trish]

Wow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

You want this?

You hear that little grunt?

[Trish]

Yeah. What does that mean?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

She's just breathing and she was exerting a little bit. She's not doing it now. We might have better luck if we have her on the ground.

[Trish]

But our kids went, these guys are crazy. Our 18 month old, so excited for these turtles. She had no fear. You're like, watch out. Might run her over. Which is slow.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Kids have fear with animals is when the parents do.

[Trish]

Yes.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

That's where it comes from. Honestly, like, I can't tell you how many times I've seen, like, the parents are afraid. Kids are hiding behind the parents. They're like, oh, my parents freaked out. And it's, you know, they're wired to be that way. Like a kid should be scared if their parents scared. That makes sense. But then I'm like, no, like, give it a try. Like, touch it. And then I've seen where like kids are, you know, hiding behind their parents to being like, oh, I want to have a snake. I. I want to have a pet snake. You can change your opinion right there. And you do it at a young, formative age. You can make a real difference. You know, you get them more excited. But yeah. This is a big female. This is the third largest tortoise species in the world. This species called the sulcata or African spiritide tortoise and. Yeah. You ever seen a Galapagos tortoise? Those big guys have, like, San Diego Zoo. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. That's the biggest one. But these guys get pretty big. Boys get even bigger. I've worked with males and are, like, pushing 150 pounds. I mean, she's. She's got to be pushing 40 or so.

Skinny.

[Trish]

Legend over here.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

She's a good size. I mean, she could easily get another, you know, put on another 20 or 30 pounds over the years. It's slow growth. Slow and steady growth with these guys.

[Trish]

How did they gain weight by just eating carrots and celery?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Well, I mean, the bulk of their diets actually grass and hay, which even less nutritious. Yeah. So these guys have a very similar digestive tract to horses, to rabbits, guinea pigs, gorillas even. And they're grazers. They eat grass and hay, which has very low nutritional value. I mean, for us, it would do nothing for us, digestively speaking, they've got this big fermentation vat in their large intestines called a cecum. And basically it's full of these really important beneficial bacteria that are, like, crucial for their livelihood. And what they do is they break down the grass and the hay and the. They reconstitute it essentially into digestible macronutrients. So they break it down, reconstitute it into digestible proteins, carbohydrates, and fats like, what dogs or cats or us, what we eat directly. They've got to turn grass and hay into that because they still need those same, you know, macronutrients they still need. They still have, you know, similar energy sources, but they get it through this kind of roundabout way with this complicated GI tract. Yeah. And it's. Yeah, it's. That's kind of how the operate. But they. They like. Yeah. 70, 80% grass and hay. 20, 30% leafy greens. Throwing some veggies here and there. They love fruit. I don't want them eating a ton of fruit, but I don't mind if it's 5% or less of their diet. But you put berries in front of a tortoise, oh, they're into it.

[Trish]

It's like their sugar. They're tired.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

One of my favorite clients around here. Yeah. They taste the sweetness. They like it. One of my favorite clients is like, I haven't seen her for a minute. But she was. I mean, she was in her 80s last time I saw her. She has a huge male. This boy's over £100. Like there's no way she's picking him up. Yeah. And she came in and he had gotten out recently. And I'm like, how the heck did you get him back into your yard? And so what she does is she grabs strawberries and just does a strawberry and he just walks back and eats strawberries and just walks back all on his own back to her yard. I just thought how funny would that be to see like some 80 something year old woman and this huge tortoise and you're just dropping strawberries every like.

[Trish]

See, Knows how to get him back.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

She does. And this is another very mellow animal. You can see how she's chill. She's just sitting here. The fact that she has her head out, any, any cheloney, which is a tortoise or a turtle, if they have their head out, they're not super stressed. You know, she was more stressed. She'd probably tuck in and go into her safe space.

[Trish]

Really?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah. So the fact she has her head out, she has her arms out, you can touch them. She's chill.

[Trish]

Yeah, they were.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, she's. Sorry. I wanted to show you something back here. This is why we call them a spur thigh tortoise. See that? That's just. It's keratin, similar to rhino horn. Right. But it's like, it's like a specialized scale. I don't know if the camera can see it, but it's a special little spiky scales. They got a couple on each thigh. And something I love about these guys. What does this foot kind of remind you of if you were. Just don't think reptiles, think mammals. Big mammals. Exactly, exactly. They got these little elephant feet. So these guys are terrestrial. If you look at turtle feet, they're more. They've got webbed toes, they're more flat, they're better for paddling and swimming. These guys are terrestrial, so they dig. They live on land and they don't really. They go on like little waterways, but they're not swimming in the water per se. That's why turtles are more flat, they're more streamlined for swimming in water. These guys are interesting as a animal to work with, is a veterinarian. And I say that because they're on the more challenging side when it comes to anesthesia or sedation. The dose range can vary so much from one individual to the next. And so it's the kind of thing where it can take hours just to get the animal, you know, knocked down just to be able to work on it. It can be like an all Day affair.

[Trish]

They're pretty small for that, you would think, but.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, but you do. Well, you don't want to overdo it, but you want to have enough. So you kind of have to titrate, essentially. And some of them go down nicely, and other ones like, oh, my God, this still. We got to give them more. We got to give them more. And then another thing when working with them, that they can actually be dangerous, including a tortoise's size. If this is a really fearful tortoise and it came out for a second, you tried to grab, like, under its shell, like here or here or the back legs. They can actually break your fingers when they're bringing their legs back in. They are so strong. Like, their digging strength is out of this world. And we were talking earlier, and Matt was talking about what a pain in the butt they can be, these guys. They walk through drywall. They'll walk through sliding glass doors. They'll move swing sets across the yard. I mean, they can be a real pain in the butt. I actually. I don't recommend them in general as a pet, because they get so big, they need so much space, and they can be kind of a handful. Like, one of my favorites is a pet, especially if you live around here, is a California desert tortoise. They don't get too big. They're not delicate little things, but they're not too destructive. They're really sweet. They're native to the area. They do really well. I think the little Russian tortoises are great, too.

[Trish]

The size of that. Is that what they are?

[Oscar]

Yeah, Asian box turtle.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Asian box. Oh, nice. Nice.

[Trish]

Ooh, he's a cute little guy.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

That's u.

[Trish]

You think they know each other? Like, are they friends? Are they familiar? Is he easy to hold or. I don't want to, like, drop him.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, I'll let you hold her. Yeah. You can't get. He won't trap your fingers or hurt.

[Oscar]

You like a hamburger?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

He said, yeah, yeah, like a hamburger. Hamburger. No, this guy's harmless. Super harmless. And again, his. Everything's out.

[Trish]

So cute. Let me flip him this way so you can.

That one will trap you.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Said, I. I don't think she's going to. Because she's. If she was, like, you know, really, really fearful, I might not have, like, my clothes and have her on my lap like this. But, no, I don't think she's gonna do anything funny. And they have tympanums, too. Can you see this big thing right here? Yeah, that's their eardrum. This Guy has one too.

Much smaller. It's kind of hard to distinguish right there.

[Trish]

But yeah, these look like the ones at the Calabasas Commons.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Those are red eared sliders.

[Trish]

Oh, different.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Those are actually turtles. And this is a turtle. This is kind of. They're kind of like a box. Turtles are kind of this weird in between where they spend a bit of time in water, but they can also do really well on land. The raider sliders are like more flat. They've got the web feet. They're great swimmers. They're not. They're not. You know, they spend a pretty much all their life in and near water. Whereas these guys will do a good combination of land and water. And these guys are pretty much just land. They'll go in little water bodies and, you know, rinse off or get a drink or take a dump or something. But otherwise they're pretty much on the ground or under the ground.

[Trish]

Okay, so they're not. There's that lake that we go to. And they always have like these like animals they have like. What do they have? They got like the ducks, the swans. But sometimes they have these little turtles there. You ever seen.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah, well, yeah, like I said, the sliders. I haven't seen Brock's turtles around here.

[Oscar]

No. Unless it's someone's pet that got loose.

[Trish]

Yeah, I think that's what it was.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Sliders, they're not native here. They're native to the other side of the country, honestly. But they've kind of. Ever since they got weather introduced or whatever it is, they're all over the other side of the Rocky Mountains. And that was kind of their. Their, like the range, their limit. The limit of their range was the Rocky Mountains. But. But I've seen them on the other side and I think they get out and they're pretty durable. They can habituate to new climates and environments. And some species are good at that. And red eared sliders are one of them. So I like this about tortoises. Feel her shell here. You can see it's all kind of like ribbed. It's nice. And then feel here, it's like glassy smooth. So when they're digging and they're going underground every time, they're kind of like sanding the top of the shell. Like sandpaper sanding. They're just kind of rubbing it on something over and over and over again. So all these, these like high spots is where it gets nice and smooth.

[Trish]

Why do they have the hard shells? Do you know? Is there any real reason?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I think it's part of their protection and their defense. I mean like if you see it, for the most part, any turtle or tortoise in a defensive posture, what's that look like? Everything's hiding in the shell. I mean these guys, think about, these guys are native to sub Saharan Africa. What else is native to sub Saharan Africa? We've got anything from jackals to hyenas to lions and a lot of different predators there. And they want to be safe. So they're covered with this armored, totally armored shell. And then they got these huge spikes on their thighs, like big prominent scoots. Like look at the scutes and the scales on her legs and feet and on her arms compared to this little thing. I mean, obviously there's a size difference, but even if you had a sulcata the same size, you would see it's significantly more armored.

And these guys can survive amongst all those other. Like.

Sub Saharan Africa arguably has the biggest diversity of carnivores and predators, you know, terrestrial predators, at least the land predators with all these different things. So you got to be able to protect yourself. And that's, that's, that's what these guys do. They're not so offensive. They don't have any major weapons really, but they can, they can just hide in that shell and be good.

[Trish]

Love that. We love the protection. You know what? I love animals.

[Oscar]

You really came around. Yes.

[Trish]

I think a few years ago I.

[Oscar]

Was like, yeah, you made a big difference. You guys. Guys.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Well, cuz Oscar is a big animal lover. He loves an axolotl.

[Oscar]

He loves like he has lots of fishes, fresh water. Yes. I like a lot of freshwater fish. Eventually I want to get into saltwater, but I want to be like prepared for it. Big commitment. Yeah, you do.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Planted tanks. Like you can have a lot of fun with that.

[Trish]

You have five dogs too, don't you?

[Oscar]

Yeah, I have three golden retrievers and then cats. I also grew up like all around animals too. Yeah. So we had like chinchillas, guinea pigs, rabbits. Yeah. Iguana, California. Yeah. Okay. Y. Yeah.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Very cool.

[Oscar]

So I've always loved animals since I was a kid.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

How many cats do you have?

[Oscar]

I have two.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Okay.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Pretty full house.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yep, Yep.

[Trish]

We have none animals. But my, my kids love animals and I need to start being not scared of them because we take them to the Mopar Park College. Do you know that one where they have like owls and stuff?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Exotic animal training and management program?

[Trish]

Yeah. They have like a lion up there. They want to get pets and I got to Just start not being scared.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

So look at you, though, kids. Honestly, it's not like. I'm not saying you're a bad parent if you don't get your kid a pet, but honestly, like, it's. It's such a good thing for kids. And I mean, it's also like, it just gets them comfortable around them and habituated to them and just being around them, like, it's. I don't know. Have you guys ever met people that, like, never had a pet growing up? Never, like. Yeah, so like, never. It's rare for you. And you're unexpectedly very comfortable around animals. So I think you're unique. Exception. But I've met other people where they've not been around animals. I hand them a snake. They are not like you. Like, you were. You did amazing. I'm.

[Oscar]

This is a new development.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I mean, I mean, like, right.

[Oscar]

Definitely.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

I mean, you've seen this more than I have. You see people that aren't comfortable with it. It's a reaction. It's a different thing.

[Oscar]

And it takes some time to get used to.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yes. And. But you know, and you have to talk them into it.

[Oscar]

We really work hard to kind of make them feel comfortable and safe. And our animals are doing a really good job of as well.

[Moses]

So.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

No, you do a great job.

[Oscar]

People, like, a lot of times they come around and like, they'll touch or feel or even hold an animal before.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

We'Re through, but it takes a lot more than this. And when they have the animal, usually.

[Trish]

Like, it's just, okay, I can be like that, but I'm trying to be fun.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Awesome. I was, like, amazed.

[Trish]

I love the animals and we love protecting the animals. No more ostrich purses. No more any of that stuff. Because honestly, they belong on the ostrich. You know what I mean? Crocodiles, all of that. Well, this is great. Find Dr. Evan on social media. You have so many followers on there. Donate to Rhino911. Is that the one?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

That'd be amazing. Yeah. Thank you very much.

[Trish]

And reptile family. Check them out. Here in Oxnard, we love an805 crew. It's great to be out here. Protect the animals and protect yourselves. Any final words for anyone that you want to know about the animals or anything about you?

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yes. If there's one thing, because we have exotic animals on here, I just like to let people know. Know if you're thinking about having an exotic animal pet. Please do your research, know what you're getting into, know what kind of space they need, know if they need certain humidities or temperatures or specific things with their diet, like know what you're getting into. Because a lot of the patients I see as a veterinarian are, as a result, that people just weren't doing something they should have been doing and it didn't have to, you know, get to the point where we need to bring a pet to the vet. Yeah. Do your research. And also, there's a lot of rescues and there's reptile rescues in la. There's multiple. So, like, I always encourage adopt, don't shop, or. Yeah, adopt, own shop. And there's a lot of resources for that in a lot of major cities. So.

[Trish]

Yeah, well, great to know. Adopt, own shop. And there's DGR turtles. There's Tana. She's my co host for my second podcast. This is Tana. This is Dr. Evan. I love walking in here because you just never know.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

We're sitting here holding the turtle.

[Trish]

It might be a generational pop store. It might be a massive turtle in full throat. You missed the snakes. We had a snake. We had a tarantula. We just finished our little animal segment. Yeah. Show you. Well, they have all buttons.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Very reptile friendly situation here. I'm very happy.

[Trish]

Yes. Dr. Evan was voted people's sexiest vet alive. Yeah. And he lives down the street, so it's wonderful. We're neighbors.

[Dr. Evan Anton]

Yeah.

[Trish]

I love this. This is everything. Okay, well, thank. Yes, we're coming right there. Yeah. All right, well, thank you so much to Dr. Evan Anden. Thank you to reptile family. Oscar, thank you for. For the discovery. Thank you to the animals. And we'll see you guys in the next one. All right, thank you. Good night.