Investigating the Vanillamace Incident + Did Zendaya Go TOO FAR in The Drama? | Just Trish Ep. 265

Summary

Just Trish – April 7, 2026: “Coachella Chaos, Internet Outrage, and Influencer Honesty”

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Episode Overview

This episode of Just Trish finds Trisha Paytas and guest co-hosts Oscar Gracey and Michaela vibing on the eve of Coachella, diving into the latest internet scandals, influencer takes, and the finer points of pop culture mess. It’s classic Trish: unfiltered, self-aware, and occasionally controversial. The crew tackles topics from K-pop group breakups to influencer labor, AI’s dark sides, celebrity accountability, wild SNL moments, and the ongoing drama that is celebrity culture.

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Highlights & Key Discussions

1. Coachella Anticipation, Cat’s Eye Drama & K-pop Fandom

• Trish mourns K-pop group Cat’s Eye breaking up, especially as Manon is rumored to perform at Coachella for their last time as a group of six.
  • “Check on your chronically online, pop-loving gays this week...it’s not looking good for my queens of Cat’s Eye.” (Trish, 04:07)
• Debate on the importance of witnessing legendary group moments live, referencing how fans will spend big for "final" performances (e.g., Lin-Manuel Miranda in Hamilton).
• Trish explains the photo card K-pop stan culture.
• Parallels drawn: Cat’s Eye, Fifth Harmony, Destiny's Child, Spice Girls—breakups as springboards for solo success.
• Speculation about surprise Coachella performances (Olivia Rodrigo and Sabrina Carpenter among others).

“If she does weekend one, then she has to do weekend two, I think...But it’s also rumors. We don’t even know for sure.” (Trish, 05:20)

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2. Coachella Logistics, Airbnb Scams, & The Reality of Festival Culture

• Airbnb hosts jacking up prices, canceling last minute then relisting properties at double/triple rates. RVs for $12k a weekend (!)
• The crew shares horror stories about attending/faking Coachella attendance and festival “fomo.”
• Trish: “Never been. Even in high school, I got invited a lot...but it was like, very, very alternative artists. No pop girls.” (15:46)
• A brief, hilarious history lesson on Coachella headliners, from Depeche Mode to Madonna and Daft Punk.
• Reflections on how festival fashion and body trends are cyclical: bikini tops, Y2K, big implants—“trends come back from literally 25 years ago.” (Michaela, 13:40)

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3. Social Media & AI: Creative Theft, Environmental Impact, and Existential Dread

• The panel vents about AI creation, copyright, and influencers losing creative value to AI-generated content.
• Michaela: “I’m against AI. I hate it. It’s effed up you could just have someone say anything.” (23:15)
• Oscar notes AI's environmental toll, referencing power plants polluting entire towns.
• Quick digression into classic movie CGI/likeness lawsuits (Crispin Glover in Back to the Future II).
• Hannah Einbinder’s viral anti-AI rant gets celebrated:
  • “You guys suck. No one likes you...You probably had a rolly backpack in high school. I want to put your head in the toilet and flush, period.” (Trish quoting Einbinder, 35:16)

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4. Problematic Influencers & Celebrity Accountability

• Jake Paul’s latest controversy: wanting to do blackface in response to a comedy sketch. The group unpacks why “whiteface” isn’t the same as blackface, the history behind it, and the “rage bait” motivation.
  • “He’s a clown to me...the most deranged.” (Trish, 30:45)
• Discussion about shifting “pendulums” in cancel culture and longing for consequences for rage-baiting male influencers.
• Juxtaposition with how women and pop stars remain targets for smaller offenses while problematic male celebrities are forgiven.

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5. Snapchat, Privacy, and The Juvenile Dangers of Disappearing Messages

• Vanity Fair’s Snappy Awards—mocked as “a place for legends,” also prompting criticism over Snapchat's messaging policies and the dangers for teens and minors.
• Michaela: “Just be a guy, I guess. Yeah. Double standard of the world. But love the Snappies.” (49:12)
• Conversation about Finstas (fake Insta), the exhausting realities of toggling between social platforms, and privacy concerns.
• Oscar advocates for setting boundaries and unfollowing/muting accounts instead of passively scrolling.

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6. Movie Reviews & Pop Culture—Drama, Morality, and What’s Too Far?

• Detailed, spoiler-heavy review/discussion of “the Drama” starring Zendaya and Robert Pattinson:
  • Central question: Should you be judged for something you planned but never did?
  • Plot twist: Protagonist (Zendaya) once planned, but didn’t execute, a mass shooting in high school.
  • “There’s no wrong interpretation...so many comedic moments but very dark comedy...it sat with me.” (Trish, 75:58)
• Comparisons to recent viral moments—like Chloe Fineman’s SNL camp counselor “pantsing story” gone wrong in a Vanity Fair video:
  • The group agrees lines are being crossed, and sometimes we need more secrets and less confession culture.
  • “Some people don’t—let’s bring secrets back.” (Trish, 87:29)

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7. Influencer Labor and Honesty—Is This Really a Hard Job?

• Vanilla Meis’ viral streaming clapback about how hard influencers work: dissected for both its context and optics.
• Michaela: “...when you’re so privileged, just don’t complain. Even if you have stuff to complain about.” (138:47)
• The panel recognizes content creation is easier than most jobs but acknowledges the burnout and unique pressure of “never being off.”
• Oscar: “The main thing is, do you work for somebody else or do you work for yourself?...You have a choice.” (139:48)

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8. Celebrity Scandal: Kanye West, Double Standards & Pop Culture Hypocrisy

• How Kanye West sells out major venues after documented hate speech and scandals while pop girls get “canceled” for minor infractions
• Oscar notes: “The art he was making a year ago is diabolical—hate speech.” (121:00)
• The group discusses varying repercussions for Mark Ruffalo, Javier Bardem, Chloe Bailey, and girl group members for political or provocative stances.
• Michaela: “I think that's what we were talking about earlier—just 2026, people are just going the opposite way completely. We can say and do whatever, and people are still...” (124:17)

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9. Lighter Notes: Lunch Boxes, Movie Extra Dreams, and Zootopia Voice Ambitions

• Wholesome reminiscing over school lunches, bringing big Igloo lunchboxes, and sharing childhood snacks.
• Dreaming about being featured extras in “Avengers: Doomsday” or “Dune 3,” and doing voiceover for Zootopia 3.
• Oscar and Trish enter a mini Mario/Yoshi sound-alike contest.
• Reflections on icons (Olivia Rodrigo, Taylor Swift) and the never-ending fan “stan wars.”

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10. Closing Thoughts: Enjoying the Moment & Coachella FOMO

• Takeaway: “If you’re having FOMO, don’t. It’s expensive. It’s dusty. You’ll get sick, dehydrated, and broke...Just enjoy it from afar. You’re exactly where you’re meant to be.” (Michaela, 147:55)

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• “Check on your chronically online, pop-loving gays...” (Trish, 04:07)
• “$12,000 for an RV at Coachella. Diabolical.” (Trish, 11:19)
• "You guys suck. No one likes you. You probably had a rolly backpack in high school." (Hannah Einbinder via Trish, 35:16)
• “He’s a clown to me...the most deranged.” (Trish on Jake Paul, 30:45)
• “Whiteface is not the same as blackface—read a history book.” (Oscar, 31:24)
• “Never been [to Coachella]. Even in high school, I got invited a lot...” (Trish, 15:46)
• "[Influencer streaming is] easy work, but you have to be a little bit entertaining. It would be yawn fest [for most people]." (Michaela quoting Vanilla Meis, 132:12)
• “If you’re having FOMO, don’t...Just enjoy it from afar… you are always exactly where you’re supposed to be.” (Michaela, 147:55)

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Major Segments & Timestamps

• 01:00–06:00 — K-pop & Cat’s Eye drama, photo cards
• 10:40–16:00 — Coachella complications, fashion & festival horror stories
• 22:32–35:00 — AI, likeness, creative theft, and climate impact
• 30:00–34:00 — Jake Paul, blackface scandal, racial insensitivity
• 46:00–56:00 — Snapchat, privacy for minors, Snappy Awards
• 75:00–88:00 — Movie section: The Drama review, spoilers and moral themes
• 134:00–139:00 — Influencer burnout and public perception (Vanilla Meis)
• 120:00–128:00 — Kanye West's career, cancel culture disparities
• 144:00–146:00 — Movie extra dreams, lunchbox nostalgia
• 147:00–148:00 — Concluding positivity, life advice, Coachella FOMO

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Final Reflection

This episode serves classic Just Trish—part confessional, part pop culture roast, never sugarcoated. Trish, Oscar, and Michaela move seamlessly from festival gossip and internet controversy to deeper questions of creative integrity, the shifting boundaries of “cancellation,” and the everyday pressures of influencer work. The conversation is both a time capsule of current drama and a commentary on the culture that creates it, peppered with trademark humor and vulnerability.

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For true fans and curious listeners alike, this recap captures all the drama, laughs, and tea—no need to brave the festival dust or TikTok discourse alone.

Transcript

[Trish]

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[Michaela]

I don't know. I think it's just like why say it? I love an omaze. I'm with her. I feel her.

[Oscar]

Open your credit card app. Let them judge your recent purchases.

[Michaela]

Open your credit card app. Where is mine?

[Trish]

Suddenly I know.

[Michaela]

I was like, ooh,

[Trish]

Her name is tr.

[Michaela]

She's got the additional gossips. Filthy rich really in pink. Hot Topic queen and says what everybody thinks. She's just. Okay. And real quick, before we jump into it, you guys check out Oscar Gracie vlogs. He's a vlogger. He bought a house. Okay, go support please and watch all

[Trish]

the yes, give me your high points.

[Michaela]

It's really good. Your vlogs are really good. They're edited beautifully. You get to see more of Oscar and everybody wants more Oscar. So go to Oscar Gracie vlogs. My husband has a cooking channel called Moses cooking videos. Got 20,000 views on his own, which is weird. I forgot to even post about it. So Moses cooking videos, making delicious foods. He even has a sponsor coming up. Go support. And then I have a memoir, Crying on the Kitchen Floor. Pre order it today. You can order it in Australia, the UK or the us. Please help make it number one. I don't know if there's charts for the books, but I hope that it is cover reveal coming Thursday. And me and Oscar are if you want more of me and Oscar together, like you guys should have a duo channel channel. We do. It's called patreon patreon.com just Trish, we did acting. We did acting and we acted our butts off.

[Trish]

I'm acting.

[Michaela]

Oh, okay. You weren't giving more than that. We were giving. You were giving. We did scene changes. We did.

[Trish]

So we were giving a lot to study improv. Honestly, we're kind of giving SNL boots.

[Michaela]

We really were. SNL UK kind of. We were giving more of that. But Patreon, just Trish, to see a famous actress and a norm. Me can act out scenes. That's Oscar's title, not mine. And we'll see. But it's a good one. I was giving you credit. I wasn't saying that in a bad way. Okay, we love you guys and enjoy the podcast. Oh, check out Jimmy. Jimmy Wetzel, our editor. He is streaming. He is doing thirst traps. Go see him everywhere. He's wonderful. Instagram, Twitch, you know, put it all right here. Like, you know, you know, like, you know, put out there. All right, we love you guys. Enjoy the podcast. This is be at the end of the podcast. Being like, I should shout it at the beginning of the podcast. All right, enjoy. It's a good podcast. Stick around. It was great today. Hello. Happy Tuesday. Oo. It's Coachella week, so we are high vibes today. If you tune into this podcast, you tune in for good vibes. Good vibes, positivity, love, inspiration, hope. And then we also have Oscar here

[Oscar]

who is in mourning.

[Michaela]

We're in a mourning period.

[Trish]

Gay in morning.

[Michaela]

You remember?

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

No, I love it. You look. I know. And I, I didn't. You know, I love a camp moment. I would have gone theme with you too. I am the opposite of theme. Today. I was like, well, I got. I got a pony and a hoodie.

[Trish]

This is currently a dark time in my life. Check on your chronically online pop loving gaze this week because it's not looking good for my queens of Cat's Eye. It's not. It's not. But you know what? I actually have nothing. I was going to try to end on a positive note, but I can't think of one thing positive right now.

[Michaela]

Well, she's going to perform at Cat's Eye or at Cat's Eye Coachella.

[Trish]

Yeah, there is that positive reporting that Mano will still perform at Coachella with Cat's Eye as, you know, a six. But then if it's their last performance as a six and I'm not there to witness it, like, that's horrific.

[Michaela]

You're not going.

[Trish]

I'm not going.

[Michaela]

You need to go why can't you go?

[Trish]

I don't. I. You know, I'm not a desert girl. You know, we're both not desert girls.

[Michaela]

I know, but you can be like, okay. If it was like, they're like, this is the last time Gerard Way will say with me, I've never seen him anyways. But if it was like, the last time he's singing. Right. If it's Ben Platt, the last time he's doing Dear Evan Hansen, Lin Manuel when he's in Puerto Rico, last time he's doing hamilton, I'm spending 20k to go down there, and I am going to go to him. Like, you know what I mean? Like, this is your Super Bowl. This is your Hamilton. This is your everything. Like, I guess you need to go.

[Trish]

We'll see how maybe weekend one looks and then decide about weekend too.

[Michaela]

She may not be a weekend too. She might be like, weekend one, I think contractually obligated.

[Trish]

If she does weekend one, then she has to do weekend two, I think.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Trish]

But it's also rumors. Like, we don't even know for sure if she's gonna be at Coachella.

[Michaela]

Confirmed. They didn't confirm it. I thought I saw it on Twitter.

[Trish]

Yeah, there was. Okay, so Hot Topic already from the jump, but it's too much. Oh, also, I have my manal photo cards. I'm really doing it all.

[Michaela]

Oh, no.

[Trish]

I'm really doing it all for her today. I really am.

[Michaela]

Wait, let's.

[Trish]

Heavy on my heart.

[Michaela]

What are these?

[Trish]

They're photo cards. I love a photo card. Again, I'm new to the K pop game, but the K pop artists make photo cards.

[Oscar]

It's like baseball cards.

[Trish]

Yeah. So here's Yunche and Megan.

[Michaela]

Oh, my God. Wait. Should I make photo cards?

[Trish]

You should, because I live for a photo.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I have a K pop song

[Trish]

coming next week when I was on my front page.

[Michaela]

Okay, so that she's your number one, huh?

[Trish]

She's. I love them all, but I just. You know, I've always loved her since the documentary. But again, she was the. The one that just replies to my DM sometimes. And the first time she replied to my dm, I'm like, you have my undying loyalty forever.

[Michaela]

Yes, she is.

[Trish]

She's just sweet.

[Michaela]

She's just sweet. And she's kind of the star. Right? Like, look, I do love them all, but I feel like in the documentary, because I watched it later. I watched, like, over Christmas break, and I feel like she was always picked because she had the star quality. Right. Do you agree As a. Yeah.

[Trish]

She was like, put in the group as, like, the visual. Like, they each have, like, a role that they fill, and she's just the visual, like Lou that kind of keeps it all together. Serves look. She's kind of good at. She's a good dancer. She's a good vocalist, but she serves looks and she just has. They all have star quality, but that's why I love them so much as a six. So the concept of, like, seeing them as a five song, like, I will still love, obviously, because I do love each and every one of those girls so much, but it's just. It makes me a little sick. It makes me a little sick to see him as a 5.

[Michaela]

I can't believe you're here after all that devastation, to be honest. I mean, that is kind of.

[Trish]

Tell me about. I was at ET at work, my 9 to 5 when the news hit. When Mano took Cat's Eye out of her Instagram bio as the Pinky up, that's the other thing, too. I was already practicing the Pinky up dance anyway, when Cat's Eye. When Manon removed Cat's Eye from my Instagram bio, I was at work, and then I had to go into a meeting, and I was like, I can't do this right now.

[Michaela]

Really?

[Trish]

Because they were asking me to report the news and, like, parlay the information.

[Michaela]

And you're like.

[Trish]

I'm like, this is too personal. This is too close to home. How am I can't give you this information right now.

[Michaela]

The positive spin, I would say. Trying to be positive, because I love Cat's Eye too. You know, I love Cats and I do love all the girls. I got to meet all the girls. They're all really wonderful, beautiful. I think this is the best thing for all of them. I think Cat's Eye as a five girl groups are always five groups are five in sync. Spice Girls, like, they're always five. I think five is going to be great. I think they're going to, like, do amazing things as five. And I think na, because she is the visual, she was there for. Like, I think she is more of a solo act. Like, if you think about it, right, Destiny Child, we all love them, right? But, like, Beyonce did so well solo, and people still love Kelly and Michelle. Like, Michelle's been on Broadway and Kelly has a great solo career. Like, I do think there's, like, a happy ending for all them. I think when I was gonna do a solo career, I think she can, like, do it her way. You know what I Mean, I feel like she's gonna be like, okay, Coachella's kind of beautiful. It's kind of like, this is our farewell concert after, like, what, a year? They're like, bye. You know, But I think that's kind of. See, right. It is kind of be like, we've been here a year new. Is the album even out?

[Trish]

The eps.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Trish]

Are out.

[Michaela]

No, like, Farewell to Her. And I love that. I think that. And I love. And I know Mana's gonna be, like, superstar. And we've seen it. Like, even, like, who's the one that Narani's from?

[Trish]

Group Fifth Harmony.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Like, they soar. They're on Dancing with the Stars. They all do their own thing. Was it Camila Cabello from there, too?

[Trish]

Yeah, she was the first one to leave.

[Michaela]

Oh, was she?

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

And she was a star. I mean, if you like her, don't.

[Trish]

I don't know.

[Michaela]

But, like, she was a star, and I think. And the other girls did just fine. And I think that's Pussycat Dolls. Look at them. They're a trio now. So I just think it all works out for the best.

[Oscar]

It also offers the opportunity for her to be a duo with you. You have a new song coming up.

[Michaela]

I do, I do. I am. I am doing very well at my Korean, actually. I've been practicing. Nonsense. I'm there. Not that they sing Korean, but I guess they have the K Pop vibe. Is that the whole thing?

[Trish]

Yeah, yeah. They have a. Their label is half K Pop, half K Pop label, and then half a US Label.

[Michaela]

I'll be a duo.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

I would love to. I. I'm excited for their sat. Like, I'm definitely not going to Coachella. Hell no. But I do like to watch it. And I do think, like, you think they'll bring out young Miko?

[Trish]

I think so.

[Michaela]

I think that's going to be the one because she just announced her tour today. She did the Gap ad. Like, I think she's going to be the. I'm most excited for them. They're. Friday.

[Trish]

Yes, Friday.

[Michaela]

That's Sabrina day as well.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

For the girls.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

I think if I had to go, I would go on Friday. I think that's me.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

We love Justin and obviously klj, but that's my day.

[Trish]

Yeah. I been living for all the Coachella drama already, though. It's like, it's so fierce to me. I think just because I'm not involved in it, like, I like to see the mess from afar. You know what I mean?

[Michaela]

It is what's the mess. First of all, you look great. This looks like Coachella outfit. You really should. You really put it in. I'm really sad I didn't get the memo. I guess I did. I need to give you the memo. You're like, oh, you like Brooke. I love that. It was my Kylie. She had like a Kylie makeup and love Brooke, too. But I was like, it was supposed to be anyways. I was like, oh, is your hairdresser out of town?

[Trish]

And then the hair pulled. Yeah. To, you know, classic staples.

[Michaela]

I suppose I'll take it anyways. Okay. So what's the drama?

[Trish]

Well, the thing I keep seeing on my TikTok is Airbnb is at Indio Valley, like, around Coach. Coachella have been canceling people's reservations like, the week before and then coming up with crazy excuses and then relisting the their property on Airbnb for, like, double or triple the price it originally was. And now, like, Even renting someone's RV is upwards of like $12,000 for Coachella weekend. The three days.

[Michaela]

Do you get a spot with the RV or you just get the rv?

[Trish]

You just, I think, parked in their driveway in their rv. It's diabolical. It's a diabolical.

[Michaela]

It is diabolical. But, like, damn.

[Trish]

Thousand dollars for to stay there for three days.

[Michaela]

Sure. You could go with a brand Now.

[Trish]

I did get invited via. Not from the brand, but from someone who got invited by Poosh. Andrew tmi. He invited me to Club Poosh. I don't know what that you have to go.

[Michaela]

When is that?

[Trish]

It's, I think the second weekend. That's the other thing, too. I might be moving. I don't know if I'm gonna be moving. Oh, so.

[Michaela]

Oh, my God. That's. Oh, my God. There's so much happening. The second weekend you'd be moving or this weekend. Oh, my gosh.

[Trish]

Or either. I'm supposed to find out this week when. But yeah, there's a lot going on.

[Michaela]

Oh, my gosh.

[Trish]

And also, like, Poosh, Gordy ain't giving out the Coachella. The artist passes, you know, I see it's just for the vibes of being there at Club. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Gaming with a tan is going to be there at Club Pooh. She wasn't invited. And then he did a TikTok and I'm like, you're invited. He's like, this is like, first, you're not invited. There is gonn. It sounds like a good one, that Poosh. I would probably go to that one, too, if I was going, yeah.

[Trish]

I feel like that must be the one to go. That's the only one I know of. So in all fairness, that's fun.

[Michaela]

Revolve. I think they have a big festival.

[Trish]

What's the. What's the other one? Calvin? Is it Calvin Klein or is that the one Ralph Lauren? I forget which one that David Doberg usually goes to.

[Michaela]

Guess.

[Trish]

Guess.

[Michaela]

Is that it?

[Trish]

Yeah, you're right.

[Michaela]

Okay. I guess the guest house is a big one.

[Trish]

Yes.

[Michaela]

Might seem down there.

[Trish]

See, I'm excited for all the outfits and all the debauchery that's gonna ensue. I expect the girls to show up and show out, so.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I heard, I heard. It's like this year everyone's like going the opposite route. That everyone wants to be comfortable and casual.

[Trish]

They all say that.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

And then here comes like Leah from Love island wearing like a couture dress. You know what I mean? Everyone says, oh, I'm going casual this year. And then ends up serving like, oh, I just threw this together. It's a ten thousand dollar outfit, girl.

[Michaela]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stylist, all of it. I would go. I would go comfy though, because I do think, like, if you want to enjoy, like, go comfy.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

But I guess people go for the gram. Do they anymore?

[Trish]

They say that they don't. Everyone's like, I'm just there for the music and the vibes. But girl, you're posting as you should. Like not even clocking it.

[Michaela]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trish]

I would do the same thing.

[Michaela]

Yeah. I guess I just don't gag as I think back in the day when they used to be like hippies, you know, when they were dressed like festival vibes. Yeah. Now it's kind of just like heels and like hotness and I'm just like. Well, I don't know if that looks like festival to me.

[Trish]

Yeah. Tea and like a lot of bikini tops I see.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Everyone's got the big fake boobs now, so they're all gonna be showing out those. It's crazy how implants became such a thing again. Like we were all so not that direction. Now everyone's like big old boobies. Not hating either. I did, I guess I did like the look. It's just so crazy to see, like, really just being so old and seeing trends come back from like literally 25 years ago.

[Trish]

Very Y2K, baby. The Y2K is back in.

[Michaela]

They all look good. I'm not hatery, honestly. They all look good. Coachella has never been my thing though. Like Even when I was younger, I was like, this looks. Looks awful.

[Trish]

And when you went to Coachella that one time, did you go to the festival? Were you just in there?

[Michaela]

No, no, I was in the area. I was. You know, you just hope to run into some people, so you're like, let's just be in the area. Worst. Worst 24 hours of my life. Worst 24 hours. I had a friend that owns, like, a bunch of houses in Palm Springs, so I'd, like, stayed with him, which is even outside of Coachella. Like, Palm Tree is, like, not even in Coachella. And I just, like, dressed and took pictures. And I think I went to, like, two part awful. Like, just awful. Like, it's just so crowded. So many lines. I actually do. I did it. So keep it in the book. Trying to think. I think I did talk about it in the book. Yes, I did talk about it in my book. Oh, my gosh. I do detail my Coachella how horrific it truly was. I feel like never went to detail because it's probably the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened in my life. But I do throw myself out of a car at one point in the lineup and a rumble in the dirt and FaceTime, you know, and be like, oh, my God, I need help. Like, there's a whole. There. The whole thing. Very unwell. Don't sue me, Alex Cooper or somebody with that. But like, yeah, I was. Yeah. Anyways, it was. I was actually like, yeah, it is. Because I was, like, rereading it again for the final proof. And I remember being like. I don't know if I should share this story. It's kind of a crazy one. Horrific. The worst. The worst ever. I didn't even go to the festival, but I remember just being so. Something about it. I wasn't even on any drugs. Something about the air, the people. I don't know. Something made me just. Yeah.

[Trish]

Like, I guess contact high or something.

[Michaela]

Something made me want cuckoo. I ended up in a Motel 6 at, like, 5am and it was just, like, a. Just a mess. The whole thing's a mess. But stay safe. Have fun. It does look fun. If you could do it responsibly. I. Yeah. You've never been.

[Trish]

Never.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Even in high school. Like, I got invited a lot, too. Oh, yeah. One of the girls that was in my friend group, this was 2,000, like, six. But her family, I think, owned the polo field at the time, so she always got the hookup. But back then, it was like, very, very, like, alternative artists. I know pop girls. Were there.

[Michaela]

Oh, like, alternative at Coachella?

[Trish]

Like, very alternate girl. I couldn't even think of the name.

[Michaela]

Like Niche. Like, not so well known. Or like they were well known. Like, what is you. Like, I don't even know what's alternative.

[Trish]

I wonder if I can even find the Coachella lineup in 2006 to compare. That actually is kind of interesting.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I would love to know because I was. I'm so out of it in 2006. I guess I'm.

[Trish]

Okay, so it was only two days back then. Okay. Depeche Mode was the headliner.

[Oscar]

Depeche Mode.

[Trish]

Oh,

[Michaela]

I was confused too, but that sounds right.

[Trish]

Okay, slay.

[Michaela]

They were the headliner. And aren't they old, baby? Right, they're old. They're from the 80s, right. So that's weird that they were headlining in 2006.

[Trish]

Daft Punk.

[Oscar]

Okay.

[Trish]

We still know Daft Punk. France.

[Michaela]

Oh, we dance to them every night. One more time.

[Trish]

Sugar Rose. Yeah, those are the headliners on Saturday. And then Sunday is tool. Massive Attack. The. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, and Madonna.

[Oscar]

Oh, I mean, that's a big lineup for.

[Michaela]

Oh, Moses is down. He's like. I was down.

[Oscar]

Massive attack, Madonna, 15 year old me,

[Trish]

who was streaming Miley Cyrus and Ali and AJ wasn't gagging. And even honestly, 2026.

[Michaela]

Name one massive Attack song over there.

[Oscar]

What do you mean messing with? Like, I went to their live show.

[Michaela]

Just so I know I'm not, like, questioning you.

[Oscar]

I just want to know.

[Michaela]

Well, give me one song. Just. Here, let me hear one.

[Oscar]

Something Symphony. I don't think you'll know. I really don't think you'll know. I can't. It's not a. It's trip hop. It's not like. It's not like a song that I can just sing.

[Michaela]

Okay, I believe you. I guess I won't ever know what they sing. Did you go? What year did you go? You've been.

[Oscar]

Well, I don't know what the year it was. Guess I really don't know.

[Michaela]

Like, maybe you don't know how old you were. Like, what you were doing in life. Like, I could tell you. I could tell you how old you were if you were doing Jesus at the time. Were you living in a guest house in Beverly Hills? Were you working for someone's mom? Like, I could tell you what age you were if you knew.

[Oscar]

No, I was. I was in Koreatown, so.

[Michaela]

Oh, so you were like, maybe 10 years ago? Yeah, see, that was easy.

[Oscar]

You were like. Yeah, six. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Do you know anybody who performed yeah, it was like.

[Oscar]

Like, Adele was a big one.

[Trish]

Oh,

[Oscar]

we saw. Yeah, that was a big one. We saw. I mean, the infamous incident where Jay Z's bodyguard pushed me.

[Michaela]

Oh, that was that year. It must have been, what, 2000? I hope you remember Adele of everybody,

[Oscar]

because she was, like, the hottest thing in that.

[Michaela]

Really.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Adele era. I know people love her, but I think I missed that.

[Oscar]

And we trained. Yeah. And we were, like, backstage right there.

[Michaela]

People love her. It's funny. Like, she has guinea. And people like, we don't like you anymore. It's like when people get skinny. It's like the Meghan Trainer effect. It's like, you suck. It's like.

[Trish]

No, she's still really popular.

[Michaela]

Oh, is she?

[Trish]

Yeah, she had a Vegas residency. Oh, she just goes away. Like, she releases. She doesn't really do that much promo for it. She. She did Vegas for a couple. A while, a few months. And then after that, she disappears and just, like, does her thing.

[Michaela]

Oh, okay.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

So no one gave her for losing weight. You know, people, like, hate when it.

[Trish]

No, she also was pre. Like, Ozempic Mania, where she was losing weight too.

[Oscar]

So.

[Trish]

Yeah, I think people were gagged, but, like. Oh, good for you. Because she also looked, like, healthy. She didn't look, like, you know, gaunt.

[Michaela]

Yeah. So we had a worry for her.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

I just remembered.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Oscar]

I forgot, like, one time we drove to Coachella, we saw Pink Floyd live and drove back right after that.

[Michaela]

The seventies. What year is that?

[Oscar]

No, they were still alive and. Well, now it's. Suddenly. I had a flash.

[Michaela]

And I'm not trying to put you on the spot again, but what's a Pink Floyd song?

[Oscar]

I just want to know we don't need no education. Yeah. And it was like, the actual Pink Floyd. I was like, I can't believe I'm watching. Oh, must have been. Yeah, it was like, because I. Whatever. When I graduated, after I graduated college.

[Michaela]

Oh, that was like 20 years ago then. Eighteen, I guess, to be exact. Wow. Coachella head over here. I like that. I didn't know that. You want to go this year. Want to go see Justin Bieber?

[Oscar]

I would watch Justin Bieber. Yes. I'm a new fan. I'm a new believer.

[Michaela]

I heard the set list is all new songs that I saw.

[Trish]

Oh, that's kind of gaggy.

[Michaela]

I don't know if it's true, but I thought he was gonna do, like, the eras of Justin Bieber, you know, like, baby. And.

[Trish]

I mean, he just released so many songs. He had, like, two albums.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Yeah, but. But he sold his catalog, so it makes sense he would want to promote his new songs. Yeah, like when he said he's gonna go, I was like, this is all going to be new songs.

[Michaela]

Oh, you knew right away he sold it for a lot though, huh?

[Trish]

Yeah, I would.

[Michaela]

You know, honestly, you should sell your catalog. Right? Like I. Or.

[Oscar]

No, no, not. No, no. Like, people get paid. You remember we talked about AI and all that kind of stuff. Like, people pay almost a billion dollars for this one guy and they. He and Britney sold it for like 200 million. But I think. I think they only sold it because they had to, really.

[Michaela]

I think they need money. I feel like they don't need money.

[Trish]

Yes, he sold it for over $200 million because he allegedly lost his entire fortune and was on the brink of financial collapse.

[Michaela]

Justin Bieber.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

You wouldn't sell it otherwise.

[Michaela]

How.

[Trish]

I think there was a thing, if I'm remembering correctly, where he had like a. Cancel a tour and then he owed people a lot of money.

[Oscar]

He owed like 30 million to his promoter. Yeah, yeah.

[Michaela]

Did he cancel it or did they cancel it?

[Trish]

I think he canceled it. And that's why he had a big fallout with Scooter Braun and stuff too, because it was allegedly him like owing Scooter money and stuff, et cetera.

[Oscar]

I think with Scooter it was like 8 million and you go with another 30.

[Michaela]

It was, I guess also you probably just have like a high overhead. You probably just own like houses and taxes and people in.

[Oscar]

Yeah, it's easy to.

[Michaela]

That's so crazy. Well, he's Justin Bieber.

[Trish]

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[Michaela]

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[Trish]

Oh, damn, that would be gaggy.

[Michaela]

I'm against it. I hate it. And I just get past those fruit.

[Trish]

There we go.

[Michaela]

Yeah. I was like, actually, this is kind of effed up that you could just, like, have someone, like, say anything or do it, like, I don't know. I don't like it. The likeness. I saw something that, like, okay, this is, like, old news, and, like, nobody cares except for me. But, like. Ever watch Back to the Future?

[Trish]

No.

[Michaela]

Did you ever see Back to the Future, too?

[Trish]

No. I know the car. I know the car.

[Michaela]

Okay, so you get the. Do you know Crispin Glover, the actor?

[Trish]

No.

[Michaela]

Okay, well, he played George McFly in the original Back to the Future. And then when Back to the Future 2 came around, they, like, didn't want to pay his salary, so they were like, we're just gonna hire an actor. And they basically. They basically were like, the first people. Anyways, it wasn't AI, but it was, like, CGI or something. They basically used an actor. They put him, like, upside down so he looked more like him or something. So he was always hanging upside down in the second one. And then they, like, literally, they digitally did his face back in the 90s, however, that was. And I guess the actor, the original actor, Crispin Glover, like, sued, like, Universal or Steven Spielberg or something. And, like, one. Because they, like, like, couldn't use his likeness. They, like, used his likeness in the second one without his permission. And, like, one. And that's, like, basically what AI is doing now is just, like, using people's likeness. Even, like, the influencers, right? That one that, like, duped me last time, I don't know if I ever showed her. But that one with that pink drink that I showed you guys. Yes, like, she is based off of. I don't know if we talk, like, not Brecky Hill, but someone who looks like Brecky Hill. And that girl, like, does all the same kind of things as her. So they basically, like, used. And the one I was following didn't have a lot of followers. I also didn't know it was AI and I unfollowed her, but I was like, it was based on someone, so I was like, well, that is kind of sucky. If someone just, like, does all the work. And I saw the AI Fruit, they probably get sued. So sorry, AI Fruit. They did. You know how they Always are doing it. Like, they cheat. Like, you know, it's like, usually it's a strawberry with a banana. And then they give birth and it's like, you know, a watermelon or something. And then they're like, what the hell? They did that with, like, Goofy, Minnie and Mickey. And it's really viral. So everyone was just like, disney's gonna sue your creator. Or it seems like, because it was the same story and the same kind of like Arabic song behind it. And it was just like her. And Goofy was like, this is the last time it can happen. Because it's always the same script. It's always like, this is the last time it can happen. He's like, don't worry. Your husband will never know. And then like, we're having a baby. And then she goes through and, like, the baby's like a little Goofy dog. And then Mickey Mouse. I'm gonna get him.

[Oscar]

I thought that kind of got banned or something. I mean, I think that's still there.

[Michaela]

I see it. I had. I had to put not interested because I was like, I can't watch this. I can't support it. It's still there. I see it.

[Oscar]

The issue is not just the creative side of it, of. Of, you know, stealing people's content. There's a video that shows how, like, Elon Musk, in order to get his AI going, you need a lot of power. So they just created, like, a power plant in the middle of a city, and it pollutes their air. So like, people just woke up one day and the air was just like, not breathable.

[Michaela]

That's so real.

[Oscar]

And they get so much.

[Michaela]

Wait, what was it? A power plant.

[Oscar]

You need a lot of power, a lot of electricity.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

So he just put portable. It's like, you know how you have a little generator? There's big ones.

[Michaela]

Ones, yeah. We lived in a town that had one.

[Oscar]

So they, you know, put in a row, like a hundred of them.

[Michaela]

Oh, 100.

[Oscar]

It's. It's insane amount. And they just ruined the air quality of all the people that live there. So people are sick. People can't breathe. You can't open a window. I mean, you can't escape it even if you.

[Michaela]

No. The town I grew up in, Byron, Illinois, they have these smokestacks, and they were like two really big smokestacks. Well, they were called smoke stacks. I don't know. I think they're a power plant. I think it's called a power plant. And that's how, like, the school was, like, really rich like, all the other, like, little towns around us. Like, I went to Pecatonica, Dakota. Like, they're all like, really. They didn't have any money, basically, but like, this school had. We had a swimming pool, we had a track. It was like my first high school I went to. And they had these, like, really massive power plants, and that's where they were getting all the money. But this is, like, alleged my opinion. I'm forming whatever. Everyone was getting sick. Like, all, like, kids were getting sick. Like, they were always in the hospital. Like, people were always just, like, not doing well there, like, always. And it was just like, crazy. And then once we moved out of Byron and we moved to, like, Pecatonica, which is, like, surrounding, like, I remember I. Because I used to be sick all the time my freshman year of high school. I was always sick. I never wanted to went to school. That's why I started, like, homeschooling. And the power plant they were saying was causing, like, cancer or something to people is what people were saying. Because, like, everyone was getting cancer now. Is it from the power plant? I don't know. But, like, people were getting, like, kids, teenagers, adults, everyone was getting cancer. And it was these like, two big smokestacks. So, like, I would. I would be careful of that too, because that was obviously chemicals. Like, there was chemical. You could see the smoke stacks, and they were just like chemicals just, like, in the air. So anyways, AI is killing us, and if you watch it, you're gonn to go to hell. And if you create it, you're going to hell actually, because we. We don't know as a consumer what the harm is. Right? But then it's like, now my whole tik tok is like, why AI is going to, like, literally kill our planet? And I think that's what we got to be more worried about. Oh, climate change. Okay, maybe, but, like, AI could be killing us in 20 years.

[Trish]

Well, yeah, it contributes to climate change, so.

[Michaela]

Well, the. The AI needs to be stopped because I love the 180 was me.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Oh, right. I know.

[Trish]

You know, I knew it was gonna happen at one point. I was just waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[Michaela]

Well, and I see it on my TikTok, it's like, oh, guess what? If you're having kids now, the Earth's not gonna, like, be around in 30 years. And I was like, that's crazy, because I'm 37. I can't imagine, like, my kids being like, well, we're all just gonna, like, die off because we don't have any supplies. We don't have water. We don't have anything. You know when you don't have air? We have nothing. It's gonna suck. We'll have air, but probably not like oxygen or carbon dioxide.

[Trish]

Yeah. Work. It's very. Project Hail Mary Tease. That's kind of the plot of. Of that.

[Michaela]

What's that?

[Trish]

Project Hail Mary.

[Michaela]

Oh, with Ryan Gosling.

[Trish]

Yes.

[Michaela]

Yeah, same thing. AI.

[Trish]

Not AI, just in climate destruction. And then there's something with the sun. Yeah. And this bacteria.

[Michaela]

It's a whole thing, but yeah, I believe it. I believe it. It sucks. So our. We're just. We're just dying here.

[Trish]

What happened to the positivity? We. Now we're switching roles, right?

[Michaela]

Who's to say dying not a positive thing sometimes. You know what I mean? Maybe there's light. You know, you hear a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm just trying to look at the positive, guys. I'm not trying to die. I want to stay alive as long as possible. So we need to stop the fruit.

[Trish]

Yes.

[Michaela]

And another AI Jake Paul's. The AI Jake Paul's. We need to stop. Like, he's. I don't know. I.

[Oscar]

That's when we knew it was a problem.

[Michaela]

Jake Paul.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I came out.

[Michaela]

Why is he always trying to be problematic? It's like, you have money, you have a fiance. Like, just go be rich. Like, why are you trying to be problematic? Like, I don't understand at all. I know just all his antics.

[Oscar]

Because they always need more. I mean, they're not kind of people that will be satisfied, like, one day.

[Michaela]

Like, he has a. A Olympic gold medalist wife or soon to be. What? It's like, do you really want to be, like, embarrassing forever Your kids? Do you know what I mean? Like, it's just like, you're just. I get being a clown if you need the money, right? Like, if you need money. Been there, right? It's like, okay, it's better than sex work. Okay. Yeah. In my opinion, my sex work. It was better than my sex work that I was doing. So I was like, okay, I'll be. I'll be the rage baiter. But, like, in the long haul, is that really, like, a good look? I feel like, like, Logan tries to be, like, a better person a little bit. He'll be like, oh, I don't share my. How much I spent on a Pokemon car. I don't know. He feels like he's trying, right? I don't know. But Jake is just like, I'm gonna just do blackface because someone did, like, it's just, like, weird.

[Trish]

Yeah. He went on Theo Vaughn, and he was talking about the Drew Ski conservative white woman sketch, like, the white face of it all. And he said he thought it was really funny. And even though he's Republican, like, he can take the L on this one and laugh along with it. But in response, he wants to go and do blackface. And he's been reaching out to different makeup artists so he can do a blackface sketch. And he's basically saying, you know, it's the same thing. Kind of similar to, like, Matt Rife. That was like, okay, if you're going to laugh at this and you. Then it's an even playing field. But he took it, like, a step further with now wanting to do blackface, which is, like, deranged. The most deranged.

[Michaela]

That's what I'm saying. What's the Yvonne say? Well, did he have a response?

[Trish]

He asked a question. He's like, oh, you're going to make yourself darker. He's like, yeah. He just went on and on.

[Oscar]

So. But the whole point of Juski was not about her race. It was just about her behavior. So for. For Logan Paul to only see race to be like, oh, he did the white face. I need to do blackface. It just shows you how much he did not understand what the skit was about. It's just so weird. Like, if she was a different ways, Drew Ski would still do it. Because it's not about being white or not. It's really about the person, their behavior and not agreeing with it.

[Trish]

Yeah. And obviously, like, blackface has roots in from, like, the 18, I think 1800s of it being, like, specifically targeted to, like, mock black people. So the tone is so different. I mean, white chicks came out, and with the Wayans brothers.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Everyone can still look at it today, like, oh, that was funny, you know?

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

So it's like.

[Michaela]

It's just very different.

[Trish]

It's so different.

[Michaela]

Very different. Yeah. I don't know.

[Trish]

And he knows that's the gag is he knows it, and he's trying to just, like, rage bait and get people upset and be like, oh, well, if you laugh at a white face and you can laugh at blackface, but, like, yeah, he knows it. It's embarrassing. He is a clown to me. He's just like, it's. It's so, like, unserious. And I kind of detest the. The pause. I really do.

[Michaela]

Yeah. I like, try with, like, look at it. Like, well, maybe he's trying. I mean, I don't like him, but, like, I'm, like, maybe trying. And then Jake is just like. Like, he has, like, those moments where you're like, oh, he's cheering on his, like, girlfriend, and you, like, love it. Then he just does, like, something sinister, and you're just like. But I saw a lot of it after the Drew Ski thing is like, I saw there's a comedian you probably do not remember, Jamie Kennedy.

[Trish]

I do remember.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

He was also on a podcast being like, there's nothing wrong with, like, making your skin darker. Because he used to do, like. I mean, he said you like blackface, right? Like, he used to do, like, he would dress up as, like, black comedians and stuff like that and, like, darken his skin. And he's just like, there's nothing wrong with it. Like. And so there is, like, this new wave of people being like, it's fine. Which is, like, it is kind of, like, scary. Because I think people do think it's okay. And not necessarily I think Jake rage baiting, hopefully, but I think some people think it's also, just, like, okay to do. Now we're gonna see this whole string of, like, white men thinking they're funny and, like, doing it. It's like, I know. And it's just, like, cringy. It's, like, so cringe because it's like, also, it's just, like, not funny. Like, the way even Jamie Kennedy showed a skit from, like, 30 years ago. I was like, so just, like, not funny.

[Trish]

I mean, I take solace in the fact that the pendulum will definitely swing the other way. And because now everyone's comfortable, everyone feels comfortable to do and get away with whatever they want. But that pendulum will swing, and that pendulum swing is going to be fierce. And when that does happen, I will be reminding them every single day of the detestable, deplorable behavior that they are exhibiting. And I look forward to that. That.

[Michaela]

You know what?

[Trish]

That's my reason to live. I cannot wait until the pendulum swings again, and I can remind and annoy and pest every single one of these diabolical men with a microphone to remind them of their deplorable behavior. And when brands don't want to work with you anymore and you all of a sudden, you're not making as much money as you used to, and the boxing tickets ain't selling, I will be so happy. And in that moment is when I can pass, but not until then. That is my way. I cannot leave this earth until I have Seen the fall of the pulse.

[Michaela]

That's good reason to live.

[Trish]

Hashtag fall of the Pauls.

[Michaela]

They may never happen. So you might live forever. I mean, yeah. I'm trying to think of the positive of this other than there's none positive.

[Trish]

Hannah dodged a bullet. Ah, there we go. That's a good one.

[Michaela]

That's a good. That's a good one. Yeah.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

I just get so upset because I was thinking about the AI thing. I was thinking about him doing it. I was like, that's. Why would you do that? Like, why would you do that?

[Trish]

She's not very bright.

[Michaela]

No, it sucks. I hope our earth stands for a very long time. I'm really scared about it. I am. I was kind of thinking about it. I was kind of like, wait, that's so scary. And we don't need it. Someone just recently said something about like, was it. Who was it that they hate if you're an AI?

[Trish]

Oh, Hannah. I'm Binder. She said, yes. If you are an AI creator, you probably had a rolling backpack when you were a kid. And I hate you. Essentially. That was the gist.

[Michaela]

I just love her. That was it. And it's so. It's so real. You're not a real artist if you're using AI. I don't know. It's just also just like lazy and just like it doesn't look good. I don't know. Like none of it is. None of it's there.

[Trish]

I love. I need to read her whole quote actually is really funny. The people who make this stuff are losers. They're not artists. They're not creative. And they wanted their whole lives to be special. And they're not special. They're trying to rob real, creative, creative people of our gifts. And you can't. And even if you try, you will never be cool. You guys suck. No one likes you. Anyone who's near you is because they crave power and access over any ethical standard. You are a loser. You will never be cool. And you probably had a rolly backpack in high school. I want to put your head in the toilet and flush, period.

[Michaela]

I love that you're using that for everyone. Jake Paul, he's reading that statement every time.

[Trish]

I do want to give Jake Paul a swirly.

[Oscar]

I do.

[Trish]

That'd probably be so satisfying.

[Michaela]

What's a swirly?

[Trish]

When you put their head in the toilet and you flush it, it's not real.

[Michaela]

Do people really do that?

[Trish]

They did when I was in like first grade or something. Someone got a swirl.

[Michaela]

Six year old who Got a swirly.

[Trish]

Someone in my school got us.

[Michaela]

So six year olds are putting other six year olds heads in the toilet.

[Trish]

Back in my day. Up. I.

[Michaela]

Okay, I don't want to go on the wrong tangent here, but that little

[Trish]

boy that gave someone a swirly probably was Jake Paul or Logan Paul. Imagine I look back in my yearbook and it's like someone related to the brothers.

[Michaela]

Oh, God. I just.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I shouldn't encourage bullying kids or assume that kids with a trolley are the ones to need to be bullied.

[Michaela]

Who?

[Oscar]

From her statement, she's a little bit putting those kids on this hot spot there.

[Michaela]

Well, she's angry. You get the sentiment. You get the sentiment. I don't think she's really saying, oh,

[Trish]

did you have a rolly backpack in high school?

[Oscar]

No. I wish. It was so heavy because we used to carry all of our books. There was no lockers.

[Michaela]

Oh, you didn't have the. Well, I mean, rolling backpacks were kind of cool, I guess at some point,

[Trish]

maybe when I was in like fourth grade, I had a rolly backpack and it was fierce. God, actually. Oh, my God. I just got a war flashback. I remember at one point, like, because really, backpacks were kind of in trend girl. I. I brought a whole suitcase as my backpack, I swear.

[Michaela]

What do you mean? Was it a rolly suitcase?

[Trish]

It was a rolly suitcase and I used it as in my backpack. It was like a carry on. And at one point I was like, I love this. And I just. It was humongous because also I had a big lunchbox.

[Michaela]

Wait, why was it big? Was it like the igloo ones?

[Oscar]

People thought you were going to the airport every day.

[Michaela]

You need some soup or something like that, you know. That's cute. What was in your lunchbox? Why was it so big? Just like, I mean, I love it

[Trish]

as I'm speaking, like, so much is making sense. Wait, that's cute, though. At least.

[Michaela]

At least you brought your lunch. Like, I remember just being like, I'm not gonna eat lunch. I'm too embarrassed. Like, at least you, like, brought a lunch.

[Trish]

You know what I mean? Love to bring my big igloo.

[Michaela]

Did your mom make you stuff?

[Trish]

Yeah, my mom would make, like, usually leftovers from dinner before in like a huge tub away. That was like my main course. But then like, you know, like a snack, a. A Capri. Two Capri Suns, actually, the XL Capri. And she would freeze them. So by the time lunch came around, o, it was nice and slushy.

[Michaela]

That's cute. And so how would you warm up your leftovers?

[Trish]

I wouldn't warm it up. It was I probably your nightmare. Yeah, yeah. Rooms temp.

[Michaela]

That's why you don't mind a room temp. To this day so much is making

[Trish]

sounds as this feels like therapy or something. The memories that are being unlocked.

[Michaela]

I love that. I always pack. Yeah. For Malibu's dance class. I mean it's literally only 45 minutes but I'm always like two apple juices, two bags of chips. Cuz there's always like a kid that doesn't have chips and Mel will share so. I know because she will share. She loves to share. And like her friends, one of her friends even made her a little Easter basket that she shares ships with. Yeah, yeah. Because they're like thanks for sharing your chips. But like, like, but there's kids that don't get chips and so I'm just like, you know, I don't think they're. I don't know, whatever. But if their parents let me, I always give them a little chips and then we always pack like you know, you just make sure they have enough food. We also have pretzels, we have granola. We have like so much snacks just in case. Because yeah, kids sometimes don't always get sent to school with snacks. I never got sent with snacks. I got sent with like money for like the vending machines. I think sometimes I get like cinnamon pop tarts. But like I would feel like fat. So I would just never eat at school. But then I'd binge. When I go home I just have like at 3 o' clock it like pops popcorn and chips and Rice Krispies and. And I would eat before school too. But yeah, I would just never eat in front of people. So at least we ate in front of people. That was pretty good.

[Trish]

Yeah. No shame.

[Michaela]

Yeah, you shouldn't end to eat. People should not have shame to eat. And that's what I love about little kids is they have no shame to eat and you shouldn't because you need to eat. And that's so cute that your mom packed you. That's really cute. I guess I'll pack our kids school lunches. Even if they're like homeschool. We can pack them little lunches because you know she does love a lunchbox. She loves to carry a lunchbox.

[Trish]

I love even like picking out my lunchbox as a kid. Like that was so fun. Fun to me.

[Michaela]

Oh, I have so many lunchbox. Even now I have like the Stanley lunch. Is it the Stanley one? I got the one that's like for. Yeah, I got the Stanley lunchbox. I love, like Teletubby lunchbox. Like, I love. I do love a lunchbox too. They're cute. I never, never packed one, but it's fun. Maybe we should do one for Tik Tok where it's like packing my husband's lunch. I love this. Or have you seen the ones where it's like what I eat at my 9 to 5 and it's like a desk.

[Trish]

I really need to make one of those.

[Michaela]

Those are fun.

[Trish]

Yeah, they are fun.

[Michaela]

Cuz you could put the leftover dinner, whatever. Like what you just described the leftover dinner. It just looks fun. Like people opening Tupperware. I could put the ziti in there and just like eat it. It just looks. It's kind of like when I have like the keys and the drink and it's like a vibe lunch break. It's giving that same thing. I don't know. We should make one of those next Patreon.

[Trish]

Yeah, I love Tik Tok too. Of like even like moms or parents, I should say in general, like making. They'll make little shapes out of like their sandwiches or something. Like, I saw one that like made like she loves dolphins right now. So I cut her PJ into a dolphin. I'm like, that is so cute right now.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Oscar]

We have so many sandwich cutters right now.

[Trish]

That is so fun to me.

[Michaela]

It is fun.

[Trish]

Yeah. Life is worth living if I'm cutting a sandwich into a little shave, like, that's what it's all about.

[Michaela]

Okay, well, that's what you need to do to get over it, to get through your grieving.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Not over. Yes, you need to make little. It is kind of fun. I'm not going to lie. Like, doing that little stuff like that is kind of exciting.

[Oscar]

Whatever you do, don't resort to creating AI.

[Trish]

Wait, what lunches?

[Oscar]

Oh, no, in general. I mean, he. He was a candidate.

[Trish]

You were what?

[Oscar]

You had the trolley at school. Oh.

[Michaela]

Oh my gosh. I was like, that was a callback.

[Trish]

Okay, I got it.

[Oscar]

You're saying, stay on the healthy pad. You did it. You made it.

[Michaela]

So far. She was saying.

[Trish]

Oh, she specified in high school. Oh, yeah.

[Michaela]

No, I love her sentiment. I'm for it. Honestly. Loser behavior because AI is destroying our earth. It's literally. It's like a murder. It's like being like, don't be, don't be mean to murderers. It's like, that's what's happening. They're killing our planet. So I'm I'm with her. I love her sentiment and I love. I love that. The aggressiveness. Sometimes you have to fight AI with aggressiveness.

[Trish]

Yeah. T. In these trying times, you gotta just make your stance clear.

[Michaela]

I need to be better at that. I need to be more. I was saying. Who is it? I was talking about glam people who just, like, what's it called?

[Trish]

Neutral.

[Michaela]

No, the opposite. Like when people don't have any opinion about anything. No, no. Like, okay, like when someone just has no care. Like, what? They don't. Oh, what is it called?

[Oscar]

Careless.

[Michaela]

Huh? No, no. Like, if someone doesn't meet, like, impose it. Like, people who don't. I'm feeling it.

[Oscar]

We're not going to get. Okay, start catching out. It's a word game.

[Michaela]

I always see memes of, like, me telling my friend that always knows what I'm talking about. It's like the Hunchback Mountain thing.

[Oscar]

And you're like.

[Michaela]

And I always see that. So now I'm like, okay, I need to really be clear with my thoughts here. It's someone's, like, always imposing. Like, they don't. They don't care to impose on people. Those. What are those people called? The ones that, like, they'll. They'll be bold. They have. No, it's not reluctance. What is the word? Like, they don't mind imposing. They don't mind asking. They don't mind being an inconvenience. Like, they'll be like, oh, I'm gonna bring 10 people, even though you only said one. Like, like, there's a word for it.

[Oscar]

Annoying.

[Michaela]

Anyways, I need to be better at combating those. Like, not that I have that many. And honestly, no, they're not even annoying because I have people in my, like, real life who just have no problem imposing. But, you know, inconsiderate. Maybe that's it where people just say have. No, I need to get better at just being like. I don't know. I guess it doesn't matter because I'm so passive. So, like, when you have someone that just doesn't. That doesn't care to, like, impose all the time. And I think a lot of people. It's not even just, like, what. Like, I work with people. Whatever. It's like a lot of people, but it's just like, God, I wish I could just be bold back because I think, like, people, like, do it just to try it. Like, you see, you say it all the time, right? It's like some people just try it and they don't care. Like, if a Nose and nose, whatever. They're just gonna ask. But I'm like, the opposite. I hate inconveniencing anyone. So it's very, like. It's very.

[Oscar]

You don't know how to put boundaries. So if you meet the wrong person, they'll.

[Michaela]

They'll just, you know, I'm getting better boundaries these days. I definitely have to set some, but, yeah, it's hard. It's so hard. Anyways, I don't know why I was going on that tangent. What we're talking about.

[Trish]

Oh, Hannah.

[Michaela]

Anyways, yes, I would love a friend like Hannah who can just tell it like it is and be like. Because, yeah, even with AI, it's like, I put not interested, but I should put block. You know what I mean? And I can't even do that. And it's a tick tock account, you know? And I was like, I should just block them, but I can't because I'm like, well, that feels rude. Feels mean. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I wish there was, like, sometimes social media where you, like, couldn't see, like, who you follow or who you block, you know, like, because if you unfollow someone, I was like, oh, my God, you unfollowed that person. Like, I wish you could just.

[Trish]

I see. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Not see that part. I don't know. I guess there's Snapchat, because Snapchat does that. Oh, my. Was there a Snapchat award show? The Snappies, Is that real or was that fake?

[Trish]

They were real. I saw because I had some oomphies that were there. Slash nominated, but I don't even know Slash what Nominated, but who was your oomphie nominated? I forgot. I was just one of those things. I was just tapping through Instagram stories and I forget who. But someone was there at the Snappies. But honestly, what are they? Snappies?

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

I just love to get an award and it disappears by the time you get home.

[Michaela]

That's funny because seriously, people were dressed up like Leanne V. I love her. She's one of my favorite influencers. She was, like, dressed up there on this, like, yellow carpet. I was like, what is this award show? Is this real?

[Trish]

Or Celebrate the Snap Star shaping culture and community on Snapchat. It was the inaugural event and it recognized 22 standout creators for creative excellence, cultural impact and ability to connect. Okay, who.

[Michaela]

Who are the 22 impact?

[Trish]

Let's see.

[Michaela]

Snappers.

[Trish]

Harry Jowsey does not miss an event. Harry Drowsy's there. Nick from Love Island. Okay. Dixie d' Amelio and Francesca Farago. Matt Friend. David Dobrik. Candace Dillard Bassett. Jojo Siwa Mama. A place for legends.

[Michaela]

Oh, I should have been there.

[Trish]

I know. T. Like, this is literally, like, it would have been so good for us to be there, just to have a story to tell.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Like, this is wild Snapchat. This is not just because I'm banned from Snapchat, but I. But it seems kind of dubious, right?

[Trish]

Like, I would say sending pictures and

[Michaela]

like having it erase the messages, typically

[Trish]

a crime of sexual nature. I feel like usually is instigated on snap.

[Oscar]

Like, if somebody asks you, you have Snapchat, you know, immediately their intentions are

[Trish]

not, you have snap. Oh my God. What's your snap?

[Michaela]

Yeah, yeah, I did hear a clip, I guess we can say the name from David Dobrik's podcast where he was talking to the head, like an executive at Snapchat. He's like the executive of the creator program. And he asked him. David's like, you know, when I was a minor, I used to send. We would send photos to each other, whatever, like, very much heavy, implying that it was, like, inappropriate. And he's like, how do you guys. He's like, you don't keep those. Right? Like, he was basically asking, like the executive at Snapchat. And then the executive Snapchat is like being like, well, we do take. If it's minors, we take it very seriously. But other than that, like, no, we can't really monitor, which means they, like, they don't really monitor. It's like, I was like, this seems very sus because David's like, no, but you know, the miners are on there just like sending pictures to each other. Like, we did it. And he was just like, we take it serious. But it's like, how is it, like, legal, do you know what I mean? For like minors to be on there? Because he clearly knows. And he's like, we take it very seriously. But like, David's like, but we were doing it all the time under age. And I'm just like, how is it? And he's like, so how's it legal for them to be on there? Do you know what I mean? Like, if you're sending Messages, hell no. 13 year old down there getting messages from randos. Because even if you don't know it's coming, some people can do unsolicited nudes to you. Like some creepy guy could be like, I'm a 13 year old, or whatever. And even if they're monitoring It. Someone did it on your platform, right?

[Trish]

Yeah. No, it is weird. I've never really used Snap that much. Even like when it was really, really popular. But it says the age limit, you have to be at least 13 and then.

[Michaela]

Crazy.

[Trish]

There are, I guess, some restrictions if you're a minor between 13 and 17, but I feel like everyone would get around that because I was definitely like 17 and everyone was using Snap.

[Michaela]

That's what David said. He's like, we were definitely sending pictures as kids to each other.

[Trish]

It says for minor accounts they have restricted contact and friend suggestions.

[Michaela]

There should be no friend suggestions under 13.

[Oscar]

Like, no, but they probably open accounts as adults. They don't open an account even that is limited for. You know what I mean? Like, there's no. The only way that you can do something about it. It's like, I think it was Australia that they banned social media for kids altogether.

[Michaela]

But that's what Snapchat should be. It should be like an owner where you have to be like over 18, show a license, because the like, you'll just get creeps. You just get unsolicited stuff and they'll just delete. So there is like no proof a person will see genitals or something like that. You know what I mean? And maybe like consensually, maybe not maybe, whatever.

[Oscar]

But it's like, I mean, you remember Chris?

[Michaela]

Oh my God, the minute he found out, wait, they delete and then it

[Oscar]

was like live on a podcast that he found out. Yeah, that doesn't. That people can take screenshots.

[Michaela]

He's like. Or even like recording with another phone. I remember he's just like, yes, but that's exactly it. That's exactly it. That's exactly the people that are on there. And it's like, again, I get it. Snapchat's popular. We love it. Okay, great. But like, let's have it not be minors. Not even 17 year olds. How about 18 year olds? How about people? If it happens, it happens. Whatever. I don't know. It's like, so it's just interesting. And I'm not. Like I said, I got banned, whatever. Because like back in the day, like, you used to sell like private Snapchats and like, that's what you would do. And then I got banned from it, which is like, fine, of course. Like, ban me from it, it's fine. But then you have like 13 year old or David Dobrik who admitted to using it underage. It's like. And then you give him the creator of the year and I'm just like, okay, well, make it make sense. It doesn't. It doesn't just be. Just be a guy, I guess. Yeah. Anyways, it just does. Double standard of the world. But love the Snappies.

[Trish]

To all the winners and nominees.

[Michaela]

Jojo and David Dobrik.

[Trish]

And.

[Michaela]

No, they're probably all fine. Honestly. I just. That it just. It makes. It creeps me out a little bit. It creeps me out just. Just a little bit, like, because I like the idea, I guess, where we went from, that is, I like the idea of, like, not, like, hiding who you follow or not seeing likes or comments. Like, I kind of like that. Because then you can kind of post freely. I think there's some benefits to Snapchat.

[Oscar]

But don't people have. What do they call? Finstones? Yeah, people just having a Instagram account that's not them.

[Michaela]

That's too much. Like, I was thinking about that too, and I was like. But then it's like, I have to log it. Like, even with the. Just church, like, switching back.

[Trish]

I know. I do hate to switch back.

[Michaela]

It's annoying. Yeah, it's annoying. And then it's like, you have to refollow people and you're messaging on what account? Then you get it mixed up. And even Moses is on my channel. I have three. And I never check Moses, but sometimes I'll, like, try to flip to just trash or whatever to, like, search for people that, like, I'm blocked or I blocked them or whatever. But sometimes I'll do it under Moses's. So they'd be like, why is Rylan Adams coming up on my search bar? Like, oh, okay.

[Oscar]

Or suddenly I'm following some Broadway actor that I don't know. Why am I following this person?

[Michaela]

I think I posted once on your story too. I was like, oh, my God, like, that's the thing. And it's diabolical when that happens, you know? And it's like, damn. So I can't be switching back and forth. But Finsta is, like, doing. It's doing too much, honestly, that's what I'm saying.

[Oscar]

If you care that much. Because I don't care that much. You know, I follow who I follow. I don't follow who I don't follow. And that's that.

[Michaela]

Yeah, yeah, you do. You didn't follow. I can't remember. You said you unfollowed somebody and I was like, I'll just mute them, remember? And I was like, why'd you unfollow?

[Oscar]

I. I unfollowed or.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Oh, Because I don't know, like, I don't see a point of following somebody if I mute them. If I don't want to see them, I might as well follow them.

[Michaela]

Can we say it or should we bleep it?

[Oscar]

I don't know.

[Michaela]

You unfollowed I heart. And I was like, well, I'll just mute them.

[Oscar]

Well, no. So every time. The thing is, like, you always have. You always have, like, magazine shoots things and I usually follow and support. But then they post so much. They do, yeah, they post so much. So then, you know, it's. It's like seasonal for me. So then I unplug. Seasonal, Seasonal. So I follow the unfollow for a while until the next time you're on iheartradio Award.

[Michaela]

So. But you don't unfollow. Just. That's the time where you just mute.

[Oscar]

No, for me it's like.

[Michaela]

Because what if I do get another iheart nomination?

[Trish]

He'll follow him right then.

[Oscar]

Then they'll feel. They're like, oh, people are following us. You know what I mean?

[Trish]

Like, we got a set. In spite too many Tom Felton.

[Michaela]

Because you saw another Tom Felton one pop up where he was on, like, some radio show and they presented him. They presented in the My Heart Radio Award. He got the Physical Award. I know. I was like, that was a tough one. I had a mute. I had a mute because I was just getting sad about it. But I stayed following. That's crazy. To be like, okay, I'm unfollowing.

[Oscar]

They have to earn my following.

[Michaela]

Well, they did. And then you unfollowed.

[Trish]

See, but, you know, he's like the Hannah Einbinder of following people. You know what I mean? I kind of. I respect it. I respect the hard, like, sex. Setting a boundary. And I'm telling you, you gotta earn the follow back.

[Michaela]

I get it.

[Oscar]

They earned my. I mean, I went on their website every day.

[Trish]

You gave them a lot of traffic.

[Oscar]

Yeah, exactly. I voted. I mean, they got what they wanted. Now give me my peace and quiet until the next time.

[Michaela]

Oh, my God. I feel that's just harsh. When I unfollow, I was like, I want the world to know I am no longer connected to this. Like, that's a harsh thing. I don't. I mute everybody, basically. I do mute. Not you. Because you don't post a lot. You're, like, obnoxious. So I will see it right away, like, because they're probably like. Like, literally, maybe like 15 people are not muted on my page. Because it's just like, people do post. I post a lot. But no, maybe not. That's probably, like, I. Probably. Maybe half. Half I mute. But it's. I will mute you if you're like, wow, you're the first one to watch my story. Mute. I'm not gonna watch it anymore. First, because, like, I do. I am on Instagram all the time. Like, I'm always just going through reels. So I will be the first to watch your story, but someone points it out. That's weird. And then I'm never gonna watch your story again. I hate that so much. I'm like, okay, just take it. Be like, oh, I love knowing that you're the first to watch my story. That's fine. Don't tell me because now I look weird and now I'm gonna mute you. So that's usually how it happens. I usually meeting people like, you're always the first. Okay, well, now I'm embarrassed now.

[Trish]

That'll be the last.

[Michaela]

Yeah, it will. And I do. Because people will be like, oh, I posted. I didn't see your stories. Like, I just. You know, I do love Instagram for that reason. Although I think it was the Snap executive or whoever this guy is. I don't know. He was. He's very close with David. He was like, oh, I was worried you weren't gonna thank me in the speech. And then you thanked me and I was like, okay, that's okay. But I know that's all I needed. Yeah. To know that they were like BFFs. But he did. He did say he also was like, the day Instagram started Stories was a dark day in the Snapchat offices. He's like, they stole it.

[Trish]

Yeah. Meta did play in Snap's purse, but I'm thankful for it because I feel like it took the features and made them a little bit better.

[Michaela]

Exactly, exactly. He said that there getting a resurgence now because I guess they monetize. I guess K Pop Demon Hunters Saja Boys Breakfast Meal and Hunt Tricks Meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi? It's not a battle. So glad the Saja Boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.

[Trish]

It is an honor to share.

[Michaela]

No, it's our honor.

[Trish]

It is our larger honor. No, really, stop.

[Michaela]

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[Trish]

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[Michaela]

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[Trish]

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[Michaela]

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[Trish]

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[Michaela]

That's what like Austin McBroom and all them do. I guess they monetize on Snapchat.

[Trish]

Ko Khloe Kardashian loves her snap.

[Michaela]

Yeah, Just sends. I think it was Natalie. Not Natalie. Joy Natalie. David's Natalie. Don't know her name, last name. But she was saying that she like doesn't even post stamp. She sends them someone and they post them whatever. So I was like, I guess that's, that's. Is it the one the, the meme you use to react to Manal leaving Cat's Eye? That's the one from Snapchat. Right? Because my little like pregnant belly comes up?

[Trish]

I think so.

[Michaela]

How can they use that? Remember they were stealing all our stories?

[Trish]

Yeah, there was like a fake, just Trish or something back in the day.

[Michaela]

Yeah, Snapchat. Don't come for me. Because you guys were using. They were using like, no, where the new section was would be vertical. So don't come for me or something. Yeah, and I was like. And yeah, the pop ups, that little belly thing, I was like, what the. Like, you paid someone. Those are expensive to have those graphics. Like you paid someone. So, so not coming for you. I'm just trying to give you constructive criticism on how to protect the minors. If you care about them, which you might and you should, but just let's up that age limit because 13 is really young, I guess 16. I'm like, no, too young still. But 13, like children on there, literally. That's the worst.

[Oscar]

Also, you can say, like, you know, you don't get any disappearing text and people at our offices will see every picture you send.

[Trish]

Yeah, true. That's what he should have said.

[Oscar]

Like, look at me, this old CEO. I'm gonna see a picture this creepy old guy. So go ahead and send whatever you think you want to share.

[Michaela]

That's where he got rid of himself. He's like, no, we value your privacy, except if you're a minor. But I'm like, all of it was weird. And then. Yeah, then someone, then someone at the office does see it. And that is like CP and it's just like, what? Like, it was weird. I don't know. Did they have performers at the Snappy Awards?

[Oscar]

Snoopy.

[Michaela]

Snoopy at the Snappies.

[Trish]

I don't think so. I don't think so. It was a music category, though. Leon Thomas had won. He won top music creator on Tap Chat at the. At the Snappies. The coveted award. Wow, girl, I don't know. Congrats, I suppose. You know, hang. Hang on to that Snappy. Fiercely. Ashley Graham did win top fashion creator. So I do like Ashley Graham. Congratulations.

[Michaela]

She was a nominee in the iHeartRadio favorite Broadway debut.

[Trish]

Okay, work.

[Michaela]

She.

[Trish]

Oh, Kylie Jenner won Comeback Star, I guess because she made a snap comeback. I'm assuming she's the one who brought

[Oscar]

her to come back.

[Trish]

Yeah. She was like, okay. I do love when the Kardashians will randomly do, like, a brand deal. Like, Kylie did one for a mobile game a couple months ago, and it was so random. A game I never heard about in my life. And I'm like, how much money does this random mobile game have to pay Kylie Jenner to promote it?

[Michaela]

It's wild. It's crazy. Yeah, that's. You remember they should do those giveaways.

[Trish]

Yes. And it was be like, they'd have photos on their stairs of, like, 100 Louis Vuitton.

[Michaela]

Yes. And it was like, it was a scam. Right. Didn't it come out that those were always scams? Yeah, I remember. I remember, like, obviously before I knew it was like, a scam. I remember I would do it too, like, giving away this, but it's like, it seemed real. But, like, they would have money. I mean, I was not getting Kardashians whatever, but they would have, like, money, so they must have been getting paid, like, a million. I feel like minimum is their. Minimum is probably a million.

[Trish]

It would have to be, right?

[Michaela]

Yeah. And I feel like they might be, like, an investor, even David. I feel like they might dispir speculation over here. I feel like Kylie and David, like, might be investors, because then they went on to be like, yeah, we're sponsoring your birthday party. Like, he's having Snapchat. He's like, yes, I love the yellow. The aesthetic is so great. Everyone's wearing yellow. Like, so it seemed a little too, like, why are you having this random, boring executive on your podcast? Why are you promoting that they're sponsoring your birthday? Why are you creative the year? Why they do all these dinners together? He's like, yeah, David always shows up to all these places with us, and I don't know, like, some things, which is fine. But also glad I'm not on it. Makes sense why I'm not on it, actually. But Also, like, Kylie, too. I would. I would assume not because she's dubious, because I love Kylie Jenner, but I would assume if she's, like, the comeback star and she's, like, on Snapchat, I don't know. Or I could just be Shane over here making consistencies out of my. So I don't know.

[Trish]

You know what? If you ever see us wearing yellow, it's for Grindr. We'll be wearing Grindr yellow. Grinder's also yellow. Yup.

[Michaela]

That's my. That's my yellow. Yeah, we. We're all Grinder over. Are they yellow? Yeah, and they have a cool.

[Trish]

Ding.

[Michaela]

Snapchat doesn't have any cool, like, notifications. Although we don't get noticed by Grindr either, unfortunately. That's all I want to get noticed by. Maybe this year. This year could be our year.

[Trish]

Yeah. This year I'm gonna take the campaigning seriously, which I said last year. But then it. I. I did lose it. Like, I forgot it was coming up, and then it came up and I was like, oh, shoot, it's too late. So maybe I'll start the campaign maybe, like, October 30th. Because then by the time, like, December rolls around, like, we're really in the mix.

[Michaela]

Gotta make a profile.

[Trish]

Okay. T. And also maybe a billboard, like, right outside of Grant. Like, Grinder office.

[Michaela]

Where's that at?

[Trish]

I feel like they must have one in la. I'm assuming one in West Hollywood and one in New York, but that's just because I'm thinking of gay places.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I love that. I love that.

[Oscar]

Probably San Francisco or Silicon Valley.

[Michaela]

Silicon Valley is gay.

[Trish]

Ah. Located in West Hollywood, California, on San Vicente Boulevard.

[Michaela]

Yes. Oh, so by, like. Like I was gonna say the Ivy or. No. What's Saint Vicente?

[Trish]

It's by the Pacific Design Center.

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah. So that's, like, where I'm like, a pump. I don't even know. Yes. Yes, I do love the Pacific. The Abbey.

[Trish]

Okay. Work. So. Damn. That is probably a very expensive billboard site. So maybe we just, like, get one of the people that, like, twirls a sign.

[Michaela]

That's a good idea. Oh, my God. Who wants that job? Let us know.

[Trish]

Let us know.

[Oscar]

Jimmy. Jimmy's back.

[Michaela]

Jimmy.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Because if he does it in his short shorts, right?

[Michaela]

Jimmy has 5,000 projects he can't take out. Him. That's great, Jimmy. If you have some spare time, I guess. The short shorts. He does have great legs. It's gonna be expensive for those legs, though. It's gonna be not cheap for that

[Trish]

that is so funny.

[Michaela]

Let us know if you're.

[Oscar]

He actually the one that always uses their notification sound in the videos.

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah, he's like. That's true. He's promoting them without the. Without the. The check. Let us know how we get that billboard. The billboards probably aren't too expensive, you think? I don't think so. I remember back in the day I got one on highland for like $4,000, but that was like 2017.

[Trish]

Yeah. I feel like it's gone probably.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Be triple that at least.

[Trish]

Cuz that's like a popular intersection place to advertise. Yeah.

[Michaela]

I don't know. Everyone's moving out of la, so like rent is going down. Like my one friend's looking for a place to rent and she's like, literally all the things are like dropping because no one like lives in LA anymore. So like the place she was like living at, they were like, they gave it up or whatever and they got relisted at like a lower price than what she was renting it.

[Trish]

So, like, good news because it's been like diabolical, the rent prices.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I think it's going down is what I heard. Which. Because everyone's like moving out, which they really need to do something here in LA about that because LA was like so cool at one point and I don't know what. What's happening.

[Trish]

Yeah, it's so expensive now.

[Michaela]

So expensive. It's kind of run down everything. There's no. Yeah.

[Trish]

You know what's not run down? The AMC Woodland Hills. Shout out. Love you guys. I had.

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah, we didn't even talk yet. What happened to the triple?

[Trish]

The triple? There was a casualty because Darian was grumpy on Sunday. Easter Sunday. Damn. Double homicide. I know. And I could tell Forbidden Fruits, which is a movie I really wanted to see, but it's campier. It's like. Like camp and kind of unserious.

[Michaela]

Which one?

[Trish]

It's called Forbidden Fruits with Lily Reinhart. Emma Chamberlain's in that one.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Trish]

Lola Tongue from the Summer I Turn Pretty Fierce. It's very campy. It's like campy horror, like we hate men kind of movie.

[Michaela]

Okay, Love that.

[Trish]

But I fear it's not Darian's type of film. And he was kind of cranky that day, so I sacrificed that one. We'll circle back. Honestly, I don't. I think he was hungry. I think it was just really hungry. And then he couldn't shake it. And then he didn't like his outfit, though, that he wore for Easter brunch. So it was.

[Michaela]

Oh, where we even talk about that? Where'd you go to brunch?

[Trish]

Just Marmalade Cafe, nothing too crazy.

[Michaela]

Which one?

[Trish]

Calabasas.

[Michaela]

That's kind of far for you. And that's so random.

[Trish]

Seven minutes away.

[Michaela]

Just you two? Really?

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Just you two?

[Trish]

My family, my parents, my aunt.

[Michaela]

That's so random. Marmalade, that's like our. That's our go to spot. But like that's usually like. Cuz it's close anymore that the kids don't are going before they fall asleep. We go there. What you get? I can't picture you at Marmalade.

[Trish]

I'm glad that you can't picture it cuz like Marmad.

[Michaela]

What we see like Martin Jean at Marmalade. Like, you know what I mean? Like it's. Martin and Charlie actually were at the Marmalade near us. But like it's old people.

[Trish]

So funny. Well, for like holidays it's pretty popping.

[Michaela]

Is it?

[Trish]

Yeah, I just. I got a waffle.

[Michaela]

Just a waffle Belgium.

[Trish]

Not just. I got it with eggs and toast.

[Michaela]

Okay. I can't picture it if I saw you at a bar because we love a Marmalade. But it's so like. I don't know, we go there, we love it. It just feels so. Not you or any. Like it's just not like trendy hip because it's like old and like no one's ever there.

[Oscar]

It's not about trendy. Right. It's more about like where we're. Food is also like brunch. You think Marmalade?

[Trish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Oscar]

Malibu. In Malibu we would go to Marmalade all the time.

[Michaela]

Well, that's Malibu Commons in Westlake.

[Oscar]

Here it's the same. But I'm saying like that's the vibe for us because it's so close and easy with the kids. We see it as casual dining.

[Michaela]

But I just think of those diabolical booths that they had that were like slashed. Do you remember? Like you.

[Trish]

Because the chair I sat in was broken.

[Michaela]

That's what I'm saying. It's wonky. I love it. We love it. The people know us there. We love it. But it's like it's all wonky. Like yeah, the chairs break, the boots are breaking.

[Oscar]

But they just redid our.

[Michaela]

Because the booth literally broke. I was sat in a booth.

[Oscar]

That's normal.

[Trish]

Broke like a booth.

[Oscar]

That's normal for any restaurant. At some point those boots, that was crazy. At some point they get wonky.

[Michaela]

And you like breaking a booth is Crazy. So that's my. I guess. And you just. You had that incident to happen to you.

[Trish]

Yeah, it was already broken when I sat in it. Like, I was feeling it wobble and I was like, oh, no. I could just picture in my head it, like, snapping. And then when I got up to look at it, one of the little supports was, like, completely snapped. So I was like, oh, excuse me.

[Michaela]

Excuse me.

[Trish]

Can I swap this chair?

[Michaela]

Oh, you swapped.

[Trish]

Yeah, I was. I really, like, picture myself for a moment just, like, middle of slicing into my waffle. And just like, no more waffle skinny.

[Michaela]

When we go there, too, I always like, oh, I'll just have, like. I'll eat like half the. I like eat calamari and eat like a third of it. I said half, but it wasn't. The other half is split with Elvis loves a calamari too, but I eat like a third and then we leave a third. So it's like a third, a third, a third. And that's all I usually eat there because I'm like, oh, I don't know. These have really had fried Mac and cheese bites. Except they were frozen. They'd be like, frozen. And then he'd be like, but they were still good when they were warm. It's just. That's so random. But I love that. And did you guys do anything else for Easter that was Easter related?

[Trish]

No. That was it.

[Michaela]

No egg hunt? You just went for a little brunch? No. Chocolate Easter bunnies? Really?

[Trish]

I wish I would have brought you.

[Michaela]

We had so many chocolate bunnies. Oh, they're so good from sees those little chocolate bunnies. Seas was popping. You think that's for old people? That was popping on Easter. Oh, okay. Well, happy Passover. It's still happening. Happy Passover to all who celebrate through Thursday. And no church.

[Trish]

No church. No. I did watch a lot of videos of you. It was, of course, like when you were hopping around like a bunny in the parking lot. That one also the Easter song about. What was that one?

[Michaela]

The one Jesus Rises.

[Trish]

Rises.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Michaela]

Jesus.

[Trish]

I saw a lot of diabolical compilations of that celebrating Easter, which I enjoyed as well. So that's how that was my choice.

[Michaela]

Festive.

[Trish]

Yeah. Festive of Church of Trish, if you will.

[Michaela]

Thanks. Yeah, I was watching. I know. I really was doing Easter videos for a minute. I was really into that. And it's my least favorite holiday. Not because of, like, the Jesus rising thing, but, like, it's just boring. Pastels are frumpy. Like, it's not my thing. I don't love it. And it's like, even the egg hunts, right? We have kids, and so we did, like, two egg hunts. And, like, it's fun for them, right? They run and they find eggs. But, like, kind of awful, right? It's kind of boring. It's kind of. It's fun to watch them run. And then they were tired and it was great. But, like, yeah, we went to the Underwood Farms and they. It's so funny. So, like, their egg hunt's different. We went to. We went to two. There was one that's like. Starts at, like 2pm and then just everybody goes and gets eggs and runs to get as many eggs as possible. Underwood is like, you can go all day, and basically they just have people, like, picking up the eggs and, like, throwing them back in.

[Trish]

Oh.

[Michaela]

So, like, when you would leave. So basically you go and get the eggs and they're empty. So, like, put your empty eggs here when you're done. And then they're like, now you can pick six that are filled with something on your way out. So it's like a toy, a candy, whatever.

[Trish]

Just get the experience

[Oscar]

separated.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Oscar]

One experience is collecting eggs. The other experience is getting the.

[Michaela]

But the whole point of an egg hunt, you're supposed to collect what's inside the egg.

[Oscar]

Right. One time before we did that, yeah, they found the eggs, then they opened it. There was stuff in it.

[Michaela]

Yeah, this one was just empty. And they're like, okay, empty your eggs here, and then you can pick six on your way out. So then from the empty egg thing, the workers would gather it and just, like, keep throwing. Like, we were there. We were hunting for eggs as they were just throwing them into bushes. And we're like, oh, that's so weird. But anyways, kind of a weird holiday to me. Kind of odd, right? Also, did you know, Because I was like, okay. I saw someone on TikTok be like, okay, if Jesus died on Good Friday, and then he was right. And then he was, like, resurrected on Sunday. They're like, how did he die a second time? Like, he came back to life on Easter Sunday.

[Oscar]

Why do you think he died again? He went back home.

[Michaela]

Back home where?

[Oscar]

To the heavens.

[Trish]

Wait, what? What was the question?

[Oscar]

Didn't he rise up to the sky? Like he.

[Michaela]

No, that's on Ascension Thursday or whatever. Ascension Thursday happens 40 days after Easter. Catholics would know the ascension happened 40 days after. Well, I also. You missed this conversation with my dad. My dad. While you were doing the bouncy house with the kids. But I was trying to Tell me like, like about all this stuff. Because I was like. Because I saw the guy on TikTok.

[Oscar]

What was his opinion?

[Michaela]

Well, because I asked him, I was like, oh, that's a good question. So if he was brought back to life, how did he die a second time? That was a good question. I did see that on Tick Tock and all the comments were like, I don't know. The second Passion of the Christ hasn't come out yet. Like, I was like, oh, that is a good question. Like, how do you. So you think he ascended back into heaven on Sunday? On Easter Sunday?

[Oscar]

I don't know when, but she.

[Michaela]

Well, 40 days later is when he did. That's what my dad said. I don't know. My dad's just like, I don't know where he's getting this information, but he does go to church a lot.

[Oscar]

Because when he came back, he was preaching and teaching again.

[Michaela]

People saw him.

[Oscar]

They're like, oh, well, they saw him as somebody. Like, it was a.

[Michaela]

No.

[Oscar]

They saw him, but he was somebody else, but they knew it was him. You know what I mean?

[Michaela]

No, people are saying they saw Jesus. They were like, oh, that's Jesus again. How do you get him back to life? So how did he die a second time?

[Trish]

When was the second time?

[Michaela]

Well, he had to die. He's not still living. Originally, my dad was like, oh, yeah, he's still. He's still alive. I'm like, he's still, like, wandering around like, no.

[Oscar]

What?

[Michaela]

Right, because he's human, right? Yeah, yeah, he was birthed by Virgin

[Oscar]

Mary, but he's not fully human.

[Michaela]

BLEEP who I'm saying, you know, his blood type was ab, the most rare of all. And I'm AB as well.

[Trish]

That's very Debbie. Debbie Ryan. I went up and made history.

[Michaela]

I added, let's make history. It was giving that for sure. Well, anyways, spoiler alert. I guess he ascended. He did come back to life. And then, yes, he ascended into heaven 40 days later. So he never died a second time. He just came back to life and he went into heaven as a human, I suppose.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

I never fuck Ascension Sunday or Thursday or whatever. It's a holiday.

[Trish]

This is the second podcast in a row where we have a little moment re eating those BLEEP nachos playing in bleep's closet. To bleep's podcast is all about being the word of the Jesus and God and being a Christian. So it is giving two eras.

[Michaela]

It's giving. It's giving. We need to talk About Jesus.

[Trish]

We should just start bleeping ourselves.

[Michaela]

That's true. Poor Jimmy's like, oh, I can't believe all this. What do you mean? Okay, well, I don't know. Maybe there's people who grew up Catholic, and they're like, wait, I do want to know. Because, like, you know, you just grow up and you go to church and you, like, don't know these kind of things. And, like, is it like. Like, honestly, when he said that, when he's like, he just ascended back as a human, I'm like, I don't know if I believe this. You know what I mean? I do. Believe whatever. Believe, whatever. But I'm just saying, like, that does not look crazy.

[Trish]

Yeah, I mean, I never really thought about that much, and I grew up Catholic, but I still don't really think

[Michaela]

that's what I'm saying. I don't think about it either.

[Oscar]

All of it is miracles and things that are supernatural and not.

[Michaela]

Well, now we are getting into bleeps.

[Oscar]

But then, yeah, they say he. Then after 40 days, he visibly ascended into heaven.

[Michaela]

After 40 days, he visibly. All right, well, here I am, mama.

[Trish]

Kudos.

[Michaela]

Love that.

[Oscar]

I just saw Kudos. Tick tock from Korea, where they were reenacting it, and he was, like, with, like, the person on stage with cables was going up, and he just kept going up so high.

[Michaela]

Was it real?

[Oscar]

Yeah, this was real.

[Michaela]

Like a real person.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And it just kept going up.

[Michaela]

I thought it was the one Miley Cyrus. It's like Jesus on Easter Sunday. And it was her coming up from, like, the stage. Have you ever seen that one?

[Trish]

Oh, yes.

[Michaela]

Yeah. It was that clip I kept seeing, and I was like, oh, yeah, that's kind of giving Jesus tease.

[Trish]

Yes. Yes. Yeah. When she was performing the. It was a Miley Cyrus Best of both worlds concert. That sounds like leveling up.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Yeah, it was. I kept seeing that one everywhere, and I was like, giving Jesus anyways, whatever.

[Trish]

It reminds me of my favorite RuPaul tweet, which is like, get off the cross. We need the wood.

[Michaela]

Did he say that on Sunday? Well, he did. He got off that cross. Did he have to make his own cross because he was a carpenter? Did he had to build it right? Because I was like, oh, Jesus was a carpenter. Did he build it?

[Oscar]

I mean, you would assume because, like, they had you carry it all the way. Like, you know, it's like digging your own grave kind of thing. Like, the whole thing was, oh, my God.

[Michaela]

If that's real, that's sad. If it's not real. That's up. We keep talking about the story anyways. All right, well, there's your Bible study for the day. Now you don't have to go to catechism. We didn't go to church either, as it's. We watched Hop. Do you ever see that one? James Marsden and a bunny Accurate from Easter Island. That movie is Russell Brand as the bunny is crazy. That didn't age well. Hop.

[Trish]

Oh, my God.

[Michaela]

They were. They were. They were the ones recommending it. I was like, even Russell Brand's voice is triggering. We need to go put them on AI Island. Him. Jake. Paul.

[Trish]

I did a double feature, though.

[Michaela]

All right. Oh, my God. Of the drama.

[Trish]

The drama and Super Mario Brothers.

[Michaela]

I literally was like, which one do you recommend? If I had to go see one? Although we want to see the tusc one this weekend. I really want to see Tuscany.

[Trish]

You mean Tuscany. I do want to see that too. I made up the challenge and I'm just gonna pretend it's a real thing. Hashtag the Super Dramario Bros Galaxy Challenge. Because I was kind of impatient. Our first ticket was for the drama, but we're kind of just waiting around like at 5, and I was like, should we just go see Mario and then do the drama literally immediately after?

[Michaela]

And that's what double feature it is.

[Trish]

Barbenheimer Super Dramario Challenge.

[Michaela]

Wow. We should addressed as that. That

[Trish]

Mario. One of us is.

[Michaela]

Who would you have dressed?

[Trish]

Oh, that is a good.

[Michaela]

From either of those movies.

[Trish]

I feel like cosplay wise, Mario is probably more fun. I'd probably be. If I want to be really gay, I would like to be Princess Daisy because I do like her. And she wears grinder yellow.

[Michaela]

Which one is she? Oh, she's the yellow who's in the pink.

[Trish]

Princess Peach.

[Michaela]

We should do Mario webs. Mario themed for our Halloween.

[Trish]

Mario's Chris Pratt. Which, like, kind of kills the vibe a little bit. But which one is Chris Pratt?

[Michaela]

Chris. Chris.

[Trish]

Oh, Jurassic Park.

[Michaela]

Chris Pratt. Which one?

[Trish]

The main guy in Jurassic Park.

[Michaela]

Never seen it. Jeff Goldblum is the one.

[Trish]

Anna Ferris's ex husband.

[Michaela]

Oh, God. God, he is the worst, huh?

[Trish]

And he's in everything.

[Michaela]

No. Okay, sorry. Maybe I don't know anything about him. I just remember, like, one time him, like, not claiming the kid with Anna Faris.

[Trish]

Yes.

[Michaela]

Even though he's like eight and you're like. You're weird.

[Trish]

Yeah, I know. He's still weird. Okay, Mary.

[Michaela]

Just Schwarzenegger.

[Trish]

Carlton Schwarzenegger. Yeah. He's still a little odd. Seems nice enough but does seem a little dubious to me.

[Michaela]

But for. No, for that reason. Yeah.

[Trish]

Yeah. He also. Okay. But the drama, I wasn't expecting, so I love it as much as I did.

[Michaela]

You loved it.

[Trish]

I was so gagged by the drama. I really was. Yeah. It is probably my favorite movie so far of the year.

[Michaela]

Wow. Yeah, I do love Zendaya, too.

[Trish]

I'm not usually like, a drama kind of the genre. I mean, the drama kind of girl. Like, I like action, I like comedy, but the drama, really, it made me laugh, it made me think, and it sat with me. And I still like reading other people's ideas about the symbolism and everything that it means and stuff. I was like, I was pretty gagged. I was pretty gagged.

[Michaela]

What was the symbolism? Without spoiling it, can you say or not?

[Trish]

I'll start with spoiler free. But I guess the. The theme, right, the overall theme is

[Michaela]

like, spoilers are coming. Spoilers are coming. Spoiler, get out now. Spoiler alert. Spoiler warning

[Trish]

is, should someone be judged and held accountable for something that they did it that they didn't do many years ago? Basically. And what's worse, Something that you thought about doing and didn't do or something that you did do that hurt one person versus more people? It's basically like judging, like, morality and what things are, like, worse than others. Like, which things are worse than others.

[Michaela]

That's easy, though. But, like, judge someone for something they did. What do you mean, what's worse?

[Trish]

But you would think that. And then that's kind of where the whole. It's not even a twist, but the whole. Technically, it is a twist, I guess, but it's more of a plot because it comes really early. And I went in blind. I was like. I was really proud because I survived not seeing any freaking spoilers, So I went in blind. The gag is we were in line to get the little warm cookies in between Mario and the drama. Like, oh, let's go. Go get those little cookies, Darian. We should play a little game. Like, let's guess the twist and see, like, which one of us is correct. And he's like, oh, I already know everything. And I was like, what?

[Michaela]

He saw this. He's a toy. Y' all are spoilers. Also, he knew.

[Trish]

He knew.

[Michaela]

Did you guess?

[Trish]

Okay, my original guess was correct. Now we're going to spoiler territory. And.

[Michaela]

Oh, Jimmy, did he see it?

[Trish]

Dallas spoiled it for him.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Trish]

So he knows the twist.

[Michaela]

You can also be like, we'll just make sure we don't have anything you need to edit in the next five minutes. Just skip ahead. Okay.

[Trish]

And he was gonna see the drama last night because he knew we were gonna talk about it. But then he.

[Michaela]

He.

[Trish]

He was seated for the drama. And then he said a very suspicious individual was in the theater. So. And I think. Yeah. Too on theme. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Michaela]

Oh, they were sad.

[Trish]

They were seated. Yeah. Jimmy and Dallas receded, but then they were spooked. But he said he might see it this morning, so we'll see.

[Michaela]

Oh, I love that on a Monday morning. I love seeing movies. I always go Monday mornings, not Tuesday mornings. That's when you get the discounts. It's like this Senior days. Yeah.

[Trish]

Yeah. I'm exactly the same Monday morning. But yeah. So the twist being. Or the reveal being that she thought about committing a mass shooting when she was in high school. That's the twist. Originally, when I first saw the trailer, that was kind of what I thought, because I feel like that's kind of what it was alluding to, because it would. The trailer, the first one was like, well, what's the worst thing you ever did? And then it cut to Zendaya's face, and then cut to that Robert Pattinson and Zendaya sitting with the photographer. The camera is shooting, and then she's talking about who she's gonna shoot. So I was like, oh, it's something with shooting.

[Michaela]

That was my first really good that you got that from that jam.

[Trish]

But then all the reviews were coming out and everyone was going nuts and being like, the drama goes too far. It's so out of line. I'm not even gonna review the movie because it does. It's too controversial. It does too much. It's tasteless. It's shocking. So then, I'm not even kidding. I was like. And even, like, I remember we were sitting in my office last week, and everyone's like, what could it be like?

[Michaela]

Is it bestiality?

[Trish]

Like, we were trying to think, like, what could it be? Like that's that depraved, right? And then when I watched it, and then she says the worst thing she's ever did was she thought about and she planned a mass shooting. I was like, okay, terrible. But she didn't do it.

[Michaela]

Yeah. That's why I was like, oh. Like, I thought she was a school shooter. And I was just like, oh, well, yeah, obviously be like. Like, who are you? But, like, she. Yeah, she didn't. She. I guess I didn't see it. So she's like, oh, I, like, planned it. She had, like, everything Ready to go?

[Trish]

Yeah. So that's kind of the gag. So she. She said not only thought about it, but did plan it. She even, like, made her video saying why she did it. She went to school with the gun. Like, so she really had all the intent to commit this, like, mass shooting at her high school, but then ends up having a change of heart because there's another mass shooting and I'm like, a local mall. And it like, makes her realize that, like, oh, what happens when people are actually shot and murdered? And then she ended up switching. She gets invited to be a part of a group that's like, anti gun violence. Like, anti gun violence, anti guns. So she joins this group in her high school, finds her community, and then dedicates the rest of her high school career to being anti gone.

[Michaela]

So I was like, seems like unrealistic. I mean, I guess it seems hopeful. You wish you hope school shooters would be like that, but I don't know if that's like, a realistic term.

[Trish]

Her whole thing is that she just wanted community because she was so, like, left out. And she grew up in a military family where guns are really accessible. And also it's kind of a commentary on, like, social media. Like, kids growing up and finding community and these, like, very angry, like, kind of almost like incel violent kind of communities. So almost like being indoctrinated into thinking that this is, like, the answer and then realizing that they can still find that community with real people in their school. And that's kind of the thing that, like, saves her and pulls her out of it.

[Michaela]

But also, like, I feel like. Also kind of like, makes it like a little bit, like, light. Like, obviously people who do these are, like, really unwell. Right? So to just like, kind of switch and be like, oh, actually all I needed was community. I feel like also not to, like, critique the movie too much, but I just think maybe, like, it is such a serious topic, so to be like, oh, all you need is community, and then you won't do these things. It's like, I think a lot of school shooters are just so disturbed and, like, mentally off. Like, chemically imbalanced.

[Trish]

Yeah, it's not really a commentary on mass shootings in general. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. You know, those friends who support your preference for podcasts over music on road trips? That's the energy State Farm brings to insurance. With over 19,000 local agents, they help you find the coverage that fits your needs so you can spend less time worrying about insurance and more time enjoying the ride. Download the State Farm app or go [e-mail] like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. I think it's more so, like, it's very specific to, like, her. To Emma as a character and, like, her upbringing and, like, that feeling of, like, isolation. Because, granted, I'm sure everyone has something. Like, not everyone, but majority of people probably have, like, been so angry or so upset one day that thought. Just had a thought of, like, violence or something. Right. So that's kind of.

[Michaela]

The thought of violence is different too, though, right? Like, you think about it, like, but then it's like, to carry it. Like, to get all the things and, like, carry it through. It's like, that's kind of like, yeah, okay, so interesting.

[Trish]

So I was like, no, and that's the thing too. Like, I feel like there's no, like, wrong interpretation.

[Michaela]

Yeah, really.

[Trish]

Like, that's why I had so much fun with it because it's like, there's so many comic moments in the movie, but everyone's comedic. It's, like, very dark comedy. Like, my favorite bit in the whole thing is so Robert Pattinson's character is very, like, plays by the rules. He's like, just kind of like, a stickler. And also he, like, thought Zendaya's character, Emma, was like, this one thing. Like, he thought he knew her completely. And then he learns this out. He finds this out about her, and he just, like, spirals and doesn't know how to, like, reckon with that. That the fact that she thought about doing some. Something so horrible, and he just, like, starts having these, like, hallucinations and stuff. So, like, there's one scene where she's making a smoothie and cutting through, and he freaks out, and she's like, you think I'm gonna stab you or something. And you could, like, see, that's real.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I feel like that's, like, real. Yeah. I think there's also just, like, two different types of people. I think, like, if I found out something crazy like that about Moses in the past, I might freak out and be like, oh, I don't know. Like, obviously, like, we're so far in it now. Like, I don't know, Like, I guess at this point, but, like, before getting married, I feel like there's stuff he found out, like, right before I got married that, like, if it was the other way around, I'd be like, no. Like, absolutely not. Like, you, like, lied and just deceived me. Whereas him, he was kind of, like, more, like, willing to, like, look past it. So I think it's also just, like, different people, because I don't know, like, I know how it ends. I know how this one ends. And right. He. We're in the spoiler territory still. So he, like, he. He ends up cheating. And so because she wanted to start fresh, and he's like, no. And then he, like, cheated. So then, like, okay, how about we start fresh now? And it's like, okay, like, I guess. Who else said that? Someone else said that too. They're like, oh, God, I think this is the Becky G. Color daddy thing. Someone was like, if you cheat on me, like, I'm gonna cheat on you publicly, too. And then we'll be even, and then we can start over. So I think some people, like, maybe want to get even in some capacity.

[Trish]

For her, it's like, well, for Emma Zendaya's character, she just is very, like, empathetic because she has been at such, like, a low place. And that's why me immediately, like, also, kudos to Zendaya's performance because she really brings this, like, the character. But her character is so, like, soft and, like, sweet and understanding. So when everyone else around her is, like, shutting her down, she's still very patient and understands why people think she. She's insane. And she, like, tries to explain and give context as to where she was at that time. So she just is a more empathetic person. So that's why she's able to forgive Charlie Robert Pattinson, because she just understands that, like, one mistake doesn't define you as, like, a person. That's kind of like where her stance is. And then the gag is Charlie's friend, who is her maid of honor. She's played by Alana Heim. Her gag is, like, when they're sitting at the table saying their secret, she's like, yeah, one time I locked my disabled neighbor in an RV in the middle of the woods, and I ran. And then he was freaked out, so I ran. He was screaming, and they couldn't find him for a few days. And they're like, well, did they ever find them? She's like, I don't know. I'm pretty sure they did.

[Michaela]

Maybe they should judge that person how you did it.

[Trish]

Then when. Then when Emma says her secret about planning, how she thought about committing a mass shooting, she's the number one anti Emma because she's like, my cousin is paralyzed because she was shot at a mass shooting. But then it's like, well, girl, you

[Michaela]

locked a disabled man. We don't know if he's alive or dead.

[Trish]

So then it comes in like you did something bad to one person versus, like, she thought about doing something bad to many people. So then it's like the moral. The moral superiority complex. So it's also commentary on that. Like people who have done bad things themselves, like projecting and judging other people despite having, you know, skeletons in their closet as well.

[Michaela]

Yeah, it's probably just like at the end, it's like A levels things. Like some. There's just like some people, you know, it's like anything. Like, some people just are like, these are huge red flags for me. And I feel like, oh, I don't care about that at all.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

I think it just is. I don't know.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

To me, like, I think. God, I'm trying to think. Yeah. I think, like, planning a school shooting is worse than cheating. I don't think it's, like, comparable. I don't think it's like. But I don't know. But I know what you mean. I don't know.

[Trish]

I know. See, that's why I like, that's why it sat with me so much. But it's also, like, funny the way that they go about it. And the acting is great too, so I really loved it. I really. They did. Oh, my favorite gag, though is like, he, like, he starts seeing things differently. So there's even like the. The poster, which is the photo of them sitting and she's holding her ring.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

When he looks at that photo, like, on the fridge, she's like, pointing like this to him.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Like a finger gun. And he, like, freaks out and starts.

[Michaela]

I get that.

[Trish]

I think it's just so interesting and so, like, well done. I lived.

[Michaela]

Wow. Okay. I guess I'll just see it because I did. I. The last movie I was in, Zan, was Challengers, and it was like my favorite. My favorite movie of the year. So I do love her. I think she's, like, the best actress ever.

[Trish]

Yeah. And she's a movie star.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Full blown movie star. Also end spoilers here, I suppose, but.

[Michaela]

And spoiler as well. Yes.

[Trish]

I, Zendaya, truly, like, nailed it with, like, the PR campaign. I love how much she promoted the movie, her and Robert Pattinson, because it is like a smaller, like, independent movie.

[Michaela]

A24.

[Trish]

So the fact that she went so hard to promote it is fierce. And I love that she's like, like, really giving her all.

[Michaela]

I do love her. Well, some people say you don't have to share all your secrets. You know what I mean?

[Trish]

Like, some people don't let's bring secrets back.

[Michaela]

Let's bring secrets back. If you're around a little table, everyone's like, share your deepest, darkest secret. How about pick just like a mild secret? How about just be like, I once cheated on my math homework. Like I said, they're all gated. Like, just like, just be. You don't have to share everything because I saw in correlation with the drama was a. I know exactly where you're going.

[Trish]

Yes.

[Michaela]

The Vanity Fair interviewing the SNL cast. Is this an old interview? I mean, it seems newish because it has like a lot of the newish cast, like Mikey days in it.

[Trish]

I'm pretty sure it's new. Let me see if I can find the publishing date.

[Michaela]

Yeah. And everyone. That's why I saw everyone's like, we don't all need to just share every secret that we've had.

[Trish]

No, this is new. It was published six days ago.

[Michaela]

Published six days ago and edited a couple days ago. So it's published six days. A couple days later it gets edited. Which always looks a little sus. I mean, it rightfully show should have been edited, but I was just like, damn people. Really? Spilling all the secrets. Chloe Feynman.

[Trish]

Yes. And it's. They play the game. Vanity Fair does this with a lot of like ensemble casts where one person takes like the hot seat, asks a question, then everyone else has to like write the answer like on a card and guess which one is correct. And so Chloe's question and their reactions

[Michaela]

are like, this should have been the secret in the drama. This should have been the scene.

[Trish]

Because her question was, what job was I fired and later rehired by? And I think she added this, I think bonus. Why was. Why was I fired? And then.

[Michaela]

So she just wanted to like share it.

[Trish]

Yeah, yeah. And then she said that she was fired as a camp counselor because she pantsed a boy and six year old boy. A six year old boy. Yes.

[Michaela]

Which they edited out the age later.

[Trish]

Which I'm like, well, yeah, because even like all her castmates are like so uncomfortable.

[Michaela]

No, their reactions were all like, like horrified. Like the, the screenshot I saw because I didn't know what the. The secret was. I guess I didn't know what that was. And I saw the reactions. I was like, this has to be like fake. This has to be over the top.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

But they were all like legitimately like horrified, like getting.

[Trish]

She just keeps going. And as she progresses the story, it just keeps getting worse and worse.

[Michaela]

From the first go, one of the cast members was like, oh, yeah, you're on a list. Like, like. And then she kept going.

[Trish]

She said he wasn't wearing underpants. And then a giant school bus drove by. And then she kept talking about, like, his little weenie and stuff. And she said, no, but, like, he would lift my shirt all the time. And it was in Berkeley, which is like, a very, you know, liberal town in California. And Mikey, her SNL co star, was like, how old was he? And then that's when she says he was like, six. And everyone is just gag. They're covering their face. Sarah Sherman was freaked out. Even when you. When you freak out Sarah Sherman, I mean, you know, you've gone too far.

[Michaela]

That is. That. That's, like, bad, right? Like, that's really bad. I thought the same thing. I was kind of like. Like, first of all, like, that to do it is insane. To retell it is insane. And then to retell it as, like, a comedic story is actually wild.

[Trish]

And then she continues. She said, no, it was a different time. He would be like, hey, can I have a hug? And I go to hug him, and he lift my shirt like a. And then I was like, I'm gonna get back at you. So we were on a hike, and I was like, hey, Ollie, go look over there. It's a hawk. And then I yanked his pants down. He wasn't wearing underwear. His little ding a ling was out. And then these two twins were like, ollie, I didn't know you didn't wear underwear. And then I was fired.

[Michaela]

How old was she?

[Trish]

Sixteen.

[Michaela]

Oh, my God. Like, like. Okay, because even if they were both six, right? Like, I guess in my mind she was six, but I forgot the camp counselor fired part. So, like, she was.

[Trish]

Yeah, the power dynamic. Everything is, like, bad, bad.

[Michaela]

Okay, that's. That's weird. Did she ever come out and be like, it was a joke. It wasn't. Didn't happen or something? Has she come out with that? Like, it has to be like, I'm hoping, like, she probably thought it was comedic, so she's trying to, like, exaggerate for kid. There's just no way.

[Trish]

Yeah, I know. I know. Nothing.

[Michaela]

Not giving her the benefit of the doubt. You're weird if you did that as, like, a joke. And I, like, really like her. Like, I, like, met her. She's like, really. She seems really cool, but, like, what a weird. Like, I don't know. I feel like PDF jokes just are not a thing. If it was a joke. If it was real. Like, honestly, like, that girl said, like, are you okay? Like, are you. Why? What?

[Trish]

Like, I would think it's starting really to pick up because obviously it was published six days ago, but over the weekend is when it blew up and then started getting covered by outlets like. Like Variety and Entertainment Weekly.

[Michaela]

Wait, didn't Variety post it?

[Trish]

Vanity Fair post it? I'm.

[Michaela]

Except those V's. Okay, so Vanity Fair.

[Trish]

Yeah. So Variety covered it, like, the backlash and that story specifically. So I would think as more and more people start talking about it, more and more coverage. That's usually when people have to, like, release a statement is when, like, all the outlets are covering it. So it's just. It's seen by too many people that they have to say.

[Michaela]

Because Vanity Fair edited it.

[Trish]

Yeah, Vanity Fair, when it edited it. Which probably means that crazy. Some. I'm. Again, this is just me speculating, but I would assume it's because they could. They were. Someone from Chloe Scene probably started seeing that it was getting, like, backlash and so editing it out to kind of like, you know, dilute it.

[Michaela]

Which is crazy because, you know, back in the day when I used to, like, interviews, like. Like every single outlet, like, any outlet, like, not even big ones, but, like, little ones. And I would give interviews and I would think about it afterwards, and I'd be like, oh, oh, actually, can you edit that, like, using a podcast? You can, but with articles they say they can't.

[Oscar]

Journalists, yeah.

[Michaela]

They're like, we're not. We are not allowed.

[Trish]

But this wasn't like an interview. It was like a little. A game, a feature. You know, it's very different versus, like, a journal. It wasn't an interview by a journalist. It was like a game they were playing as a group.

[Michaela]

But it was through Vanity Fair, which is like, a publication. So don't you think they would have the same journalistic integrity to be, like, a weekend.

[Trish]

It depends. If it was like, an article, that's one thing. But.

[Oscar]

But who's the machine behind it? I mean, if snl.

[Michaela]

But that's what I guess, too, is like, all the people went through. Like, just think about our podcast. How like, you know, like, Jimmy's the end all be all be like this. Then he won't let anything go through. You know what I mean? But it's like, okay, we say something. It's like, oh, I don't know. And then I'm like, okay, Jimmy, you make the decision or Oscar or whatever. You know, there's like, so many people, and it's like small. We're like a small little machine. But then it's like that huge machine of everything it has to go through. It's like, okay, the SNL cast members were freaked out. Obviously there had to be representatives from somewhere. Obviously they then on top of it, Vanity Fair, like, no one was like, oh, maybe don't put. Yeah, that.

[Trish]

It's very weird. Like even like a publicist that I'm. They're usually there in the room, you know, to be like always.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

You know, so.

[Michaela]

Yeah, it's so odd. It makes me. Yeah, it makes me sad. I feel like those kind of things are just like, oh, those are like a big ick. Like you just can't really get past. You're just like, those are like a 6 year old boy and you were 16. And then you're retelling the story. Like, I don't know. It's a lot.

[Trish]

Huh.

[Michaela]

That was crazy. That should have been the drama secret. To me. That's like the worst to me. I'm like, if you told me. If someone told me, I'd be like, oh, I don't know. Then you really do. You're kind of like, who's in my house? Like, what? Like, I don't know. That one is. Well, hopefully there's an update to me. You could put an update if there's a little. There has to be a statement today.

[Trish]

Yeah. I would think she would have to say something like, it's just gonna keep getting talked about and keep getting brought up. Up. And especially once you edit something out too. That makes everyone more curious, I think.

[Michaela]

Oh yeah.

[Trish]

So bad that they had to go back and edit it out and then they look for the clip and then you see the clip and then you're even more sad.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Huh?

[Michaela]

Yeah. Oh, how about just asking. We did that. I think we talked about before. I think when, when Jimmy was here, I was like, everyone share your secret.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

We're all like, weird. I was like, one secret is going

[Trish]

to completely ruin your life and make your partner want to dump you. Everyone, let's go around and say it. And we're like, okay.

[Michaela]

Oh yeah, they did send us that. Pick one question from there. Is there like a card game? Like, that's so funny. They send it to us. Shout out 824. What's one?

[Oscar]

I mean, it starts with, what's the worst thing you've ever done?

[Trish]

Ot I'm like, that is.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Again, when that question's asked, just don't say the worst thing you've ever done.

[Trish]

I was really trying to think of mine too. And I was like, I really don't know.

[Michaela]

You have any worse things? Moses really doesn't know all my worst things. I don't know if I'll know all your worst things, but you know mine.

[Oscar]

Yeah, it's interesting. Name a situation in which you'd choose yourself over them.

[Michaela]

Name a situation in which you would choose yourself over them.

[Oscar]

Like, I mean, you guys are drowning. You have one thing of oxygen. I don't know.

[Michaela]

Like, no, never. I actually truly would never, because I always said that. Says to my dad the other day, I was like, you need to outlive me, because everyone needs you here more than, like, my kids. Our kids. If you went before me, we'd all fall apart. I don't know. Our kids are. I don't know what's gonna happen. Like, you. Like, it has to be me first. So I would never, ever, ever pick me over you. You better always pick yourself over me. I swear, if that ever happened. And, Moses, like, I'm telling you right now, that ever happened. Whatever. You need to save yourself. Seriously. For our kids. Although the podcast would probably stop. Might not be just Trisha anymore.

[Oscar]

This one's for you.

[Michaela]

Do you have an answer for it? Yes.

[Trish]

Me over him.

[Michaela]

Be honest.

[Oscar]

It's like, in what situation?

[Michaela]

Yeah, there has to be.

[Oscar]

It could be something else, too. There's.

[Trish]

Take us to the LI Rodrigo concert.

[Oscar]

Exactly.

[Trish]

Sure.

[Michaela]

That's a good. That's a great, great answer.

[Trish]

Something involving swimming. I would have to do it instead of him because he can't swim.

[Michaela]

Okay, that's good. Okay. So you have good ones.

[Trish]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Michaela]

I do the dishes over Moses, this kid in Langton. Dishes.

[Trish]

He does the dishes over me.

[Michaela]

I don't mind the dishes.

[Trish]

Yeah, I don't know. I'm. That's why I'm so bad at it, because even, like, in the drama, too, I was thinking the whole time, and I was like. The only thing I could really think of was, like, I. When I was playing Neopets back in the day, which was, like, an online computer game, which really, again, I was thinking about it now, I was like, why was I a minor talking to whatever.

[Michaela]

Anyway, that part. Where's Neopets now? Are they still running?

[Trish]

They actually are, yeah. They haven't worked, but who would. I would assume to be another person, another girl my age. But I remember it was Father's Day, and she had more, like, money on the web, like, fake money, like Neil points, than me, and it was Father's Day, and I was like. And I. I remember I told her I, like, really was dropping hints that I wanted her to buy me something because I was like, it's Father's Day and my dad passed away, so I'm having a really hard day. And then she bought me something, and that's kind of the worst thing I can think of.

[Michaela]

Okay, that's not.

[Trish]

Yeah, I saw. I was, like, 12 at the time, so.

[Michaela]

Yeah, that's not too bad to lie.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Yeah. I used to lie all the time about my parents, and.

[Trish]

Yeah, that's really the only thing I. I could think, I'm sure. I don't know if I really wrapped my brain, but.

[Michaela]

Well, you've lived a noble life. You have, which is good. It's a good. You have one more over there.

[Oscar]

Open your credit card app. Let them judge your recent purchases. Is.

[Michaela]

Open your credit card app. Where is mine?

[Trish]

Suddenly I know.

[Michaela]

I was like, o. Well, luckily, I haven't been buying that much. Let me see. They're really all boring. Apple Dominoes, Stockx, Underwood Family Farms. I mean, so boring. Hotels, dot com, meter, parking, Prime Video, Hollister Spectrum, Marmalade. That's mine. That's it. How about you?

[Trish]

I feel like my goggiest thing would probably be, like, my monthly Facetune membership because it is kind of expensive, I think.

[Michaela]

Which one?

[Trish]

My Facetune subscription. I feel like that's probably the most expensive for it. Well, I have the premium because I take it serious.

[Michaela]

What's the difference?

[Trish]

Oh, you just get more plastic surgery. Okay. Jesus Christ.

[Michaela]

This fully done, fully facetuned. In real life.

[Trish]

Life irl, me not even being able to. Okay, here we go. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I would say, probably my Facetune subscription. And then it's boring stuff, too. It's like my Emma Chamberlain West Elm. I found that fish face that I wanted for 25 at a random website called Homeport. That's really it. Also really boring.

[Michaela]

Okay. Mose has nothing. We share cards, so whatever mine was, was him. He has zero. He has nothing. He never charges anything, which is crazy. Ralph's. I guess that's the name. Ralph's and Whole Foods. Huh?

[Oscar]

Groceries.

[Michaela]

Groceries, yeah. That's it. And the shirts. And the shirts. Where do you get those? Off Amazon. Where are they from? I never seen.

[Oscar]

This is actually from Target when I went to Malibu last time.

[Michaela]

I like the shirts. The shirts are. Are giving. You're giving you me? In Tuscany, he had a box. Moses got sponsored again by Carbone. And they're doing, like, a collaboration with you, me and Tuscany. And I was like, yeah. They sent him, like, A cool box with them on the COVID And I was like, I love this box. It's very exciting. He was wearing a red shirt. How does his name rage?

[Trish]

Reggae, I found out. Reggae. You do pronounce the g?

[Michaela]

Reggae?

[Trish]

Yes, reggae.

[Michaela]

Can't wait. Is it coming out this weekend?

[Trish]

This weekend?

[Michaela]

I will be seated for that. Do you like Mario?

[Trish]

What?

[Michaela]

You liked Mario?

[Trish]

Yes, I did like Mario. If you are a child or neurodivergent adults, you will like the Mario movie. That's kind of what I walked away feeling. I was like. Because it is very much like you jingle keys in front of your face. That's kind of what it is because it's just like a whole bunch of just little action scenes put together and everything's colorful and it's like a good time, you know, and it's quick. It's a 90 minute film. You're in, you're out. Not much for character development or anything like that. Like, if you crave good cinema, you probably wouldn't like it, but. But if you have ADHD or you're autistic, I think you'll have a good time because it is like sensory. It's a good experience.

[Oscar]

Coco Melon for adults.

[Trish]

Very. That. And their kids were hooting and hollering.

[Michaela]

So they loved. It's all animated. No real people.

[Trish]

It's all animated. Yeah.

[Michaela]

It's very confusing because the way they promote it with all the real people. You think there's real people in it.

[Trish]

I know T. And then they cast like huge names.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

And then they do like Donald Glover. Childish Gambino is Yoshi. But you wouldn't even know because he just makes little, like, noises.

[Michaela]

I was seeing people's auditions for Yoshi on Tik Tok. So I was like, okay, yeah, you

[Trish]

would have ate down as a little character in there.

[Michaela]

Well, I've never seen Yoshi or Mario Brother, but did they go and like a little like.

[Trish]

No. Like a little tongue. Okay, you're getting somewhere. Okay. You're kind of getting like. You're kind of giving just that fish. The fish with the big lips that makes little blue in Mario. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Oh, maybe that's why I'm thinking.

[Trish]

Yeah. I feel like if Jimmy were here, he would say that he'd want you to be. To be Birdo.

[Michaela]

Is that a bird?

[Trish]

She's a little pink dinosaur with a huge, like, her mouth is like a big old hole and she wears it. She's pink and then she has a big pink, big red bow on.

[Michaela]

What does she sound like?

[Trish]

Okay. I love the artistic liberties.

[Michaela]

I'm trying to think big mouth bird.

[Trish]

Oh, let me see if she. There's. I'm gonna look up. I don't know what noises to see if you. Okay here.

[Michaela]

That's her.

[Trish]

That's pretty good. Okay, work. There we go.

[Michaela]

Let's hear your birdie. What's it called?

[Trish]

Birdo.

[Michaela]

Birdo.

[Trish]

Okay.

[Michaela]

Wow. That was really good.

[Trish]

Okay, Moses, your turn.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Trish]

That's pretty dope.

[Michaela]

That was Giving Cat. I like it. I like that we just all start talking like each other. Mario,

[Trish]

that is killing me.

[Michaela]

I like that. That's Giving Cat. Me too.

[Oscar]

At least one conversation.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

That was fun.

[Trish]

I really do want to see you do a voice acting thing at some point.

[Michaela]

I know. I think AJ manifested that for me. Yes, I would love. I don't know how I get into that, but I would love. Also. You don't have to like dress up or anything.

[Oscar]

You just listening.

[Michaela]

Who's listening?

[Oscar]

Lydia.

[Michaela]

Lydia. She listens all of them. I. I ask her every day. I'm always like, can I do voiceover? Next one. Next one will be a voiceover. I'm excited. I would love to do like a. A. What's a big animated movie like. Oh, Zootopia 3. I love Zootopia. We're big Zootopia people here.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Can be one of the police officers or a criminal.

[Michaela]

So specific. Why can't I be like, that's all there is. No, there's so many. There was snakes and foxes and

[Oscar]

Snake was a criminal. That turned out to be a good person. Spoiler alert. But a good snake I do have. Where is it? Yeah.

[Michaela]

What is it?

[Oscar]

That's my Zootopia.

[Trish]

Oh, from Popmart.

[Michaela]

He's not from Zootopia, is he?

[Oscar]

The snake. The person is dressed as the snake from Zootopia.

[Michaela]

Where'd you get that? That's so random.

[Oscar]

From one of the things they sent us.

[Michaela]

Oh, really? Like a long time ago.

[Oscar]

Yeah. It's been here for months.

[Michaela]

And he's from Zootopia.

[Trish]

The hoodie. The snake cosplay.

[Michaela]

Oh, it's a dub. That's so random. You guys do love the snakes. I saw your mirror selfie with your snake.

[Trish]

Oh, I do love snake.

[Michaela]

The snake mirror is great.

[Trish]

Yeah. Darian is trying to limit my snake. It's symbolic for me, but sometimes he says too many. I get it. In my apartment, he says too many snakes because it's a small area. But I'm like, the house. Like, there's more space. So you. It'll be like An Easter egg room.

[Michaela]

You should have a whole room, just a snakes. I like how there's, like, a dedicated room. Like, I have, like, a pink room, and then there's, like, a water room. Like, there's like, dedicated rooms that way. It's okay. All your pink stuff here. All your water stuff here.

[Trish]

Very tricksy motel of you.

[Michaela]

Is that what she has to. Yeah, Beetlejuice. Like, when we're doing our decluttering, we keep all the Beetlejuice stuff for our dining room cabinets. I'm like, one day when they get here, all the Beetlejuice stuff. Like. Yeah, you have to have them in certain rooms. But I kind of like your idea, I guess, of a little snake everywhere. Like a little Easter egg. That's kind of cute I guess, too.

[Trish]

Yeah, I like that. You are. You're kind of an all or nothing kind of gal. So it makes sense why you want to go all in one room.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Because an all snake room. That sounds cool. My mom used to have, like, a snake pit. It was so cool. From, like, Value City. And it was like this, like, snake pit and had, like, a fake snake coming out of it. It was so cool. Yeah, it's giving, like, snake charmer. And I was like, I like that. I like snakes. They're. They're very. They're good luck. I like the shedding aspect of them. We gotta get the snake next. We got the dragon mirror. And the last thing we gotta get is our snake around the pole. That's gonna be our. Our big finale. Took like, a year to get the dragon, so it might take a while for the snake, but it will be cool. That's right. You're not. You're the snake. You just like snakes.

[Trish]

I just like snakes. Yeah.

[Michaela]

I like that. It's even cooler. Your chosen animal

[Trish]

God again. I feel like you won't really care about this yet again, but the day of the Manal cat's eye drama, my one silver lining was Olivia Rodrigo finally announced her album and it's titled, you seem pretty sad for a girl so in love. Why are you crying on the kitchen floor days?

[Michaela]

You seem sad for a girl so in love. You really were.

[Trish]

You were. At the time, you thought you were in love and you were really sad girl.

[Michaela]

That is true.

[Trish]

Right?

[Michaela]

Saddest moments of my life. Whereas in relationships.

[Trish]

Exactly. It all comes up.

[Michaela]

But love the tie in. So you excited? Is it out? Did you listen? Did you love it?

[Trish]

Not out. It's out June 12th. So Pride Month. Also, it's the same weekend that Rupaul's movie comes out, so everyone's very seated.

[Michaela]

Do they think it's going to be in the movie? Any of the songs? Oh, what's the correlation?

[Trish]

You're like, oh, just a big weekend.

[Michaela]

Oh, for you.

[Trish]

Yes.

[Michaela]

June 12th. That's very far.

[Trish]

Very far.

[Michaela]

So it's me and Tanner show in Vegas. So pick your.

[Trish]

Pick your entertainment. Here's the guy. So there is a little bit of drama that's all made up. So I guess that's why it's kind of funny, the speculation that Taylor Swift's wedding day is June 13. People are like, oh, my God, how could she release an album the weekend of her wedding? I was like.

[Oscar]

I was just gonna say the title is her commenting about Taylor Swift, please.

[Michaela]

I was gonna say that those are his, too.

[Oscar]

He said that. I was like, oh, she's talking about Taylor Swift.

[Trish]

Yeah, I think.

[Michaela]

Oh, my. She seems pretty happy. I think she seems very happy.

[Trish]

It's very. She just got out of a relationship, so I feel like it's probably mostly about her. Olivia. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Herself. Also looks like the day before. And also like, yeah, okay.

[Trish]

The day before what?

[Michaela]

Like, June 12th is not June 13th.

[Trish]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Michaela]

So the people.

[Oscar]

Yeah, but those things are scheduled. It's like a corporation and things. Like, it's not.

[Michaela]

Yeah, Same thing with weddings. Those are scheduled to, like, way interview. I don't think anyone's like, oh, I heard it's June 13th. We're gonna put it out June 12th. Like, I don't think. Or vice versa.

[Trish]

No one's really thinking. Yeah, Like, I don't think Taylor Swift's gonna be shocked on her wedding. Like, she's gonna be like, damn, that Olivia Rodrigo ruining my wedding day.

[Michaela]

No, she's not gonna have a.

[Trish]

Also, the day of June 13th for Taylor's wedding just kind of was made up because there was a venue in Rhode island that was reserved for a big, mysterious wedding. So that's kind of where the rumor originated from. But then the wedding planner just came out, like, yesterday, like, Easter Sunday. And it was like, this is the wedding I'm planning, and my bride is not Taylor Swift. So she kind of debunked that as well. But everyone's been running still with June 13th is when it's going to happen, because they're looking at. They saw the reservation for a big wedding and that venue in Rhode island, which. It's a town that Taylor Swift loves. And also, it has to be a time where Travis isn't stuck doing football. And also, she loves 13. So that's kind of what everyone.

[Michaela]

Okay. So they just kind of. They don't know.

[Trish]

No one knows for sure. No.

[Michaela]

So they just made it up.

[Trish]

Yeah. But I just. The guy. The Stan wars have gone too far. Like, that's what really. We're going to. My favorite meme, though, was everyone was saying Olivia was playing in Terry Jo's closet because she does give a little Terry Jo cosplay. Like, you can see the dress here. It's kind of giving your dress when you are cosplaying Terry Jo.

[Michaela]

Yes. She's. Well, it. To me, I. It gives Lana Del Rey. Right. Is that kind of the same vibe? I mean, I don't really know any of these girls, but kind of.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

And I saw the one of her, like, on the swing upside down. They said it was stolen from someone else's album.

[Trish]

Yeah. So that's. The main cover is her on the swing. And then another photographer that Olivia worked with before had a photo from 2010 of the rapper Mia swinging over a skyline in, like, I would assume, like, New York or something. And then, so this photo came up, and everyone's like, oh, Olivia.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Trish]

Because Olivia is always getting the allegations that she's copying someone, which, I mean,

[Michaela]

at the end of the day, I was like, than. They. Everyone copies everyone. Right. Like, there's no original work.

[Trish]

And, like, Sabrina got this, too, with her album with Short and Sweet with, like, the blue background and, like, the kiss on her shoulder. Like, I think we are at a point in time where everyone has done something before. I'm like, okay, the concept of all. Because you're swinging and there's the sky in the background. They're not even identical. Like, hers is just the blue sky, and Mia's is, like, the whole skyline or whatever. So I'm like. And also. So Olivia's, like, 22. So she saw this photo when she was, like, 5 years old and was like, oh, I'm gonna make this my album cover one day. It's from 2010.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

The con. Like, why do. The concept of having.

[Michaela]

So you're saying no. You don't believe it? No. I think if it wasn't on the mood board, I think maybe it was on the mood board.

[Trish]

I think it's like a random editorial photo shoot of Mia, who's kind of, like, on. Off the deep end.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

And, like, we don't. It's not like, an iconic photo that you see every.

[Michaela]

That's why you recreate it. It. Like, if you find something that's not so iconic, you're like, you know what? I like this. Or give inspo. I wouldn't say recreate. But you don't think it was on the mood board. It looked very close, I think.

[Trish]

But like, you could say that for everything because it's just.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

In the background. Because I. I also don't think that photographer in 2010 was the first person.

[Michaela]

No, of course. But to say there's like no relation seems crazy, right?

[Trish]

I. No, I don't think it's so generic. It's swinging with the style. Yes. I will stand 10 toes down.

[Michaela]

What other person do you think of?

[Trish]

The actual reference is based off of a. It's a. A painting and it's her ex boyfriend's like his last Instagram post.

[Michaela]

Who's. Who's last. Louis, Olivia's ex.

[Trish]

Olivia's ex boyfriend posted a. A photo of this painting in a museum.

[Michaela]

And it's.

[Trish]

And let me get the name because it's gonna kill me. Oh yeah. It's called the Swing and it's kind of the same thing. And that was like one of his last Instagram posts was a photo of this painting in a museum time. So. And it's a girl swinging in a pink dress. So that from there that is seems to be the reference to me.

[Michaela]

You probably. Because everyone gets something from something. I don't think anyone has an original idea. There's no original idea. There's no like photo shoot anymore. That someone's like, ah, this is an original idea. Like, I think in this day and

[Trish]

age, because we're exposed to so many things at once that like, we are always influenced by some. It's like almost impossible to escape being influenced. Unless you're like, Amish. You know, then you could maybe have a ideas.

[Michaela]

What are they posing like?

[Trish]

Honestly, what this. They probably have so many original ideas but don't have the means to like post them.

[Michaela]

Someone should go crazy. Take them. Take those ideas.

[Trish]

Not the, like, take the Amish.

[Michaela]

Take one and see what they're. What they're thinking.

[Trish]

Tyra Te's like, I feel like that's something she would do if the Tyra show was still on. Like, infiltrated Amish community.

[Michaela]

See how they're. What they're. How they're living.

[Trish]

Yeah. Getting there was.

[Michaela]

I always tell you what they. That movie with Tim Allen and Christie Alley and that's what they do. And her fashion gets inspired by the Amish and she does like these Runway shows and everyone's like, wow, this is so innovative.

[Trish]

And it's just because it's still original. Yeah.

[Michaela]

I mean it is stolen, I suppose, but.

[Trish]

But yeah. I mean, if anything, I feel like that's the reference and that makes a lot of sense considering it's like her ex boyfriend who probably inspired the album.

[Michaela]

I'm like, well, Taylor Swift is getting sued by some girl that said she came up with Life of a show girl.

[Trish]

Yeah. T. And then that girl also illegally used the life of a showgirl in all her promotion material. So they're going to get. She's going to get sued. Right. Or nothing is really original. I think it just happened. So I don't think it got dropped yet. I don't think it would hold up.

[Michaela]

Yeah, you like Sue. And then it's like, would you also.

[Trish]

And also it's. The concept is Showgirl okay. Like what?

[Michaela]

I guess she just also got her name out there. So I guess people.

[Trish]

I think people have to just come to terms with everything's gonna be. Have done. Have been done before. And that's just how it is.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Well, what's old is new.

[Trish]

And it's hard to be completely original when there's been a. A million pieces of media done at this.

[Michaela]

Well, also, like you said too, like, creative direction may not always come. Like maybe they like bring something and she doesn't know what it's from. Not to say it's MIA thing but you could also not. I mean she did because the swing. But sometimes people bring you like some inspo and you're like, what is this from? And that's like from something, but they change it, make it a little different.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

When's it? You said June 12th.

[Trish]

June 12th. Yeah. And then I think the single. My theory is the single will be this week. Cuz girl, where's the music? Like I need. I need a little something. You can't just say albums. June 12th. It's been two years, I think, and. Or almost three. You can't just say June 12th. And then I'll give me something leading up to it. Olivia. Like, I need. These are desperate trying times. Like I need something to cling on

[Michaela]

that's going to make you feel I'm ready to life.

[Trish]

I'm ready to be sad again. Yeah, I am. I am. I kind of live for like, even if I can't relate to it, I just like end up invent scenarios in my head where I can relate to it and I kind of live for that. And then there's been speculation too, because there have been some pink billboards. Her. Her theme for this album is pink.

[Michaela]

Oh, Purple is gone, purple is gone.

[Trish]

Purple's out. And there have been some pink billboards on the way to Coachella. So people are like, will she do a surprise Coachella performance? And some people think maybe it was Sabrina Carpenter, which, if that happens, I would have risen. I would have ascended just like this. 40 days later, you're going to. Is everything to me like that? Is that. That would be, like, the best case scenario. Best case scenario. Mano performing with cat's side, and then she's not leaving the group. Olivia and Sabrina performing a song.

[Michaela]

Well, maybe she should just go down Friday and be on standby just in case.

[Trish]

But then Olivia doesn't come out, and also Mano's not there, and then I'm like, well, let me just. You know what I mean? Like what? That's a gamble. And I don't know if it's a gamble. I'm willing to bring it.

[Michaela]

And then that's a bad place to

[Trish]

be miserable at, as you've demonstrated.

[Michaela]

But if you're with, like, Darien and the vibes are good, but the vibes

[Trish]

will be rancid because I'll be cranky, and I'll be surrounded by billion people. Dust in my nose and in my eyes.

[Michaela]

You'll be sick for a while, fat.

[Trish]

I'll feel. I'll be disgruntled. I have to pee in a porta potty. Like, I'm hungry. The line for a water bottle is 45 minutes long.

[Michaela]

We'll bring your own water. Can you bring your own water?

[Trish]

I don't know. Can't you?

[Michaela]

To buy it there? $45.

[Trish]

Like, I.

[Michaela]

But I. I think you might be right. I think you might be onto something. So I think that the payoff would be bigger, especially if you sell money. All work, work, work, work, work.

[Trish]

That's fifth army.

[Michaela]

Oh, what is this? Without touch, touch, touch, touch.

[Trish]

Yeah, it sounds the same, right?

[Michaela]

It sounds close. Touch, touch, touch, touch, touch. I got to go to work, work, work.

[Trish]

You ain't got to go to work, work, work.

[Michaela]

Okay, It's a little faster than that. Where's those cloud protein chips? I want them. Did you see them coming out with chips? Yeah, I think Wednesday they're coming out with, like, it looks like little, like, Dorito. Like, protein Doritos. I'm seated for cloud. I love cloud.

[Trish]

I don't know if I love a protein chip. I hate to say it, because I've had quest ones. I was gonna say I've had the quest protein chip. I guess they're not terrible. For, like, a healthier alternative, I suppose, but I still would. They kind of just make me miss the real deal. Like, the authentic Dorito experience. Like, I think, because they look similar, so your head, like, imagines the sensation, like, the texture, the feeling.

[Michaela]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trish]

Of a. Of a Dorito. But then it's like, oh, it feels a little off. Like, texturally.

[Michaela]

Yeah. But then you're like, oh, I'm getting all this protein. So my muscles.

[Trish]

You're right. I think my brain. I need to, like, tie it back into. Oh, I'm having a lot of protein.

[Michaela]

Protein. So I've been off my protein kick. I've been. I haven't had any protein lately.

[Trish]

You must have had none. You've had chicken nuggets, I'm sure.

[Michaela]

No, I had big ziti. I had. What else do I eat this weekend? Just big ziti. I had pasta again last night and Mac and cheese. Last night.

[Oscar]

Protein and cheese, right?

[Trish]

A little bit, yeah.

[Michaela]

Not in that powder. Craft Mac and cheese.

[Oscar]

No, the zd, I say it.

[Michaela]

The mozzarella cheese. I don't know if that's really protein.

[Oscar]

That is Ricotta and parmesan.

[Michaela]

My body is feeling a lack of protein.

[Oscar]

Well, go get it after.

[Michaela]

I can feel it.

[Trish]

Did you know the girls in la, actually, let me specify. The boys of la. Everyone was out at Kanye west concert this weekend, which I didn't even know was happening. Didn't know was a thing.

[Michaela]

I didn't know he was touring.

[Trish]

I know he played at. So Sophie.

[Michaela]

Oh, my God.

[Trish]

Who's going?

[Michaela]

Who's there?

[Trish]

It was.

[Oscar]

It was sold out immediately.

[Trish]

Both shows, huh?

[Oscar]

And he has more shows in Europe.

[Michaela]

This is what I'm saying. The double standard.

[Trish]

I know.

[Michaela]

Like, can you. Can you. Oh, crazy. Like, you. All the racist, awful things he's like, said about everybody.

[Trish]

He's. The stuff he said about chill. Like, children. Beyonce's children.

[Michaela]

Like, yes.

[Trish]

Like the slurs, the merch. Like, also, all this was just. It's not like it was when he was in high school. It was last year. Last year.

[Michaela]

I'm so confused by all this,

[Trish]

especially considering, like, I think contextually just seeing Chapel get canceled so bad for something that she didn't do very. The drama tea, something. She did think about doing it herself. Like, the man did it. But she's the one that had to pay the consequence of everyone hating her and saying she's terrible and wanted to ruin a child's life.

[Michaela]

Someone said that about Mark Ruffalo, too. How he can wear. He's very pro Palestine, like free Palestine on red carpets. But there was an actress that's like, we got like fired or something. Yes.

[Trish]

God, I'm forgetting who it was.

[Michaela]

I forgot too. We were both outspoken and we both got like, let go.

[Trish]

Kate Beckinsale. Kate Beckon. That I think more so commentary on the industry itself because, yeah, Javier Bardem, Mark Ruffalo, they're very pro Palestine and they're very vocal on, like red carpets at all these award shows. And they still get invited to more award shows.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

And they still get to be in more projects. Whereas, like, a lot of women were getting fired.

[Michaela]

Like, Scream was a big one.

[Trish]

Right? Getting fired. Kate Beckinsale. Like, people are getting dropped by, like the representation again. Like, the antics have just been like, so recent. I mean, literally releasing last, last May, his song called Hail. Like, that was his song that he came up with. So releasing like Merch. And then I think like people were getting interviewed outside of like, Sophie be like, oh, why are you here? Like, supporting him? And everyone's just like, yeah, like, I'm just supporting the art from the artist. But like, this is. It's the same part. He's.

[Michaela]

He's.

[Trish]

The art he was making a year ago is diabolical, you know?

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Hate speech. Like, literally hate speech.

[Michaela]

I know, that's wild.

[Trish]

So weird.

[Michaela]

Yeah, that's. It's very recent and he said it's in his art. It's not like there's a separation. That's very weird.

[Trish]

I know. And Chloe Bailey was also like in attendance and she like posted herself at the concert. And this is really where you see like, different fan bases having different, like, morals and like expecting different things. Because obviously it was a sold out show. So many people were there and everyone was there. Didn't have like a moral quandary about it. But then Chloe's fans were like, girl, what are you doing there? Why are you promoting this? Because, like, obviously she has a lot of young girl and gay fans.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

And she's been getting like a lot of backlash for going and posting about it.

[Michaela]

Did you say anything?

[Trish]

Not in response response yet. No.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I think, I think you. Yeah, in that case, you have to really. I think the views come into play. Right. It's kind of like such a different case, but a little bit similar. Like the Woody Allen of it all. Like, I, like, loved Woody Allen. It was like in my bio and it's like, like even like Quentin Tarantino. Like, I was like, such a fan. And it's like there's certain things where it's like, once they, like, are a certain way, I think you really have to, like, separate yourself and not even just because of your fans, but also just because, like, the things you stand for. Because, like you said, if it's, like, happening now, currently, it's like, oh, I can't keep defending you. Right. Like, the whole thing is, like. It's, like, kind of giving the same thing. And it sucks. I loved Woody Allen. I, like, loved his movies. And it's like, sucks. Like, you could never be like, oh, I love Annie hall anymore, because it's like, like a creep made it, you know, and same thing with Kanye. I mean, I just feel like, yeah, he was like, he's mentally, like, disturbed, but also, like, hate speech, like you said. And also just, like, actively doing it and putting it everywhere. It's just like, a lot. Lot.

[Trish]

Yeah. Releasing the merch, saying slurs about children, like, doxing his own children, as talking terribly about his children's mother.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Using every slur in the book. Like, it's just every problematic thing someone could do. Like, he's done it. And again, the. This was recent, like, literally last year. He did obviously issue an apology a couple months ago in January for his anti Semitic remarks. But I think we have to, like, see you do the work. You know what I mean? To release that just so you have. You can go on tour and do festivals and stuff is like, okay. Because now it's like, oh, now I know exactly why you released that statement. Because you booked Sophie Stadium and you wanted to at least give people. Oh, well, he apologized. Right.

[Michaela]

Which, yeah, I guess. I guess an apology, like, you know, start something, but you're a celebrity. Yeah. And also, when you do have a fan base that he's against, you know, completely, it also is kind of like you're at your, like, duty to, like, not show up with those things. Even if you, like, love their music.

[Trish]

It's kind of like, like, stand up for something. Everyone's like, well, he was not like this when he released this music, so it's fine. Or he's like, you know, an artistic genius or whatever, separating the art from the artist. But, like, yeah, it's kind of like you're funding him and giving him the platform to, like, be like this, you know, so it's like, like, I don't think he would be better unless, like, his audience was like, no, we don't support this. And then that would help him, like, really, really take a look in the mirror and be like, oh, I don't want to be this person, you know what I mean?

[Michaela]

I think that's what we were talking about earlier is like just 20, 26. Just like people are just going the opposite way completely. Where it's just like we can say whatever and do whatever and people are still. Yeah, I don't know. Pepsi pulled out, right? Of some festival he was doing.

[Trish]

He was booked for festivals in London and some sponsors have pulled out. Like Pepsi was the. A big one that pulled out of sponsoring the festival. So thank God. I'm glad someone's like trying to have like repercussions for these actions. Cuz he honestly has gotten away with it too. Like the fact that he was still able to like get back on Twitter after like calling Blue Ivy and all of Beyonce's children like slurs like the R word is crazy, you know?

[Michaela]

So I don't know. Yeah, that one is wild. Why she posted it is crazy. I don't know, like it in silence or something. I know because it's also kind of like promoting it to Europe audience and being like ew, we don't want to see this. It's kind of like the crowd it was giving Kardashians where it's like if they, they stopped talking about him but like when they would show him it's like triggering. It's like, oh God, we don't want to see him. You know what I mean? At all. Or hear from him. So crazy again.

[Trish]

I guess I have the right like fyp. Cuz I didn't know anything about it. I didn't know it was planned. I didn't know it was happening. Didn't know who released new music.

[Michaela]

And Sophie's big. He did two nights at Sophie. Crazy think. Yeah, it's like Chris Brown too. It's just like they get. They have a huge fan base still

[Trish]

and it's so like I just thinking about all the girl artists that like have gone through it so hard lately. Zara Larson with AI Fruit or talking about like was she canceled for the AI Fruit? Yeah, because she said she liked the AI Fruit video and everyone was canceling her. And then this past weekend, I know

[Michaela]

about it, but yeah, and then this

[Trish]

weekend she said something like no one cares about the charts other than Taylor Swift fans or something. Then I'm like, girl, like let's really lock in you eyes. Like we can't be mad at everything these days. You know, like let's really focus on

[Michaela]

who we need to lock in.

[Trish]

Yes, exactly. Like we need to start letting things go and really like focus on the real Enemies here. People like, come on, stand like stands. That's a crazy thing. Stands out. The power to really change the world. And we're, we're focusing on the minutia, like the things that don't matter. You got. And I say this as a stand, right?

[Michaela]

I say the stands who turn against the people they love too. It's like, well, wait, we love her, why are we turning against her? Or do you think it is a hatred? You don't think it's a stand? Sometimes I feel like it's a stance, but maybe it's not. Maybe it's like a lot of it. I mean a smear campaign, A lot of it.

[Trish]

When it's organic, it's like, well, if you. One artist says something bad about another artist, like Cesar says shade, it's Taylor Swift, then Taylor Swift fans are going to unionize and then be against her or whatever. So it's kind of like. Kind of like a tit for tat kind of thing. And then obviously, as we saw with Chapel, like bots and smear campaigns like really come into play and like heighten everything and can make it worse. But I do think it kind of parts of it are organic where it's like, oh, like I love this person so much. If they don't like another artist, I'm going to go Stan War. Yeah. But we need to really focus on the real bad people. You guys like, come on.

[Michaela]

You said. I guess it's like their fans just like don't care, so no one's there. It's like the, the more like what people. Their fans care so much. So it's like any little misstep, like we're disappointed in you. We need that balance. We need the equilibrium. We need that.

[Trish]

Yeah, sure, yeah.

[Michaela]

Cuz it's just at the end of the day, I mean, we're. Our fan base isn't going to stop Kanye. I don't know if we're trying to.

[Trish]

We can't compete with the manosphere. No, we can't.

[Michaela]

And it's like, I'm not trying to like tear anyone down, but it's also like, why are we supporting the. Chloe Bailey would be an artist. We do love her.

[Trish]

I do love her. I love her music. I love Chloe together. I like them solo as well.

[Michaela]

And Beyonce was like her mentor. Right.

[Trish]

She signed to Beyonce is like label still.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

And he's been so. Kanye has been so terrible to Beyonce.

[Michaela]

So maybe he doesn't know the full scope. Sometimes, you know, you're like, oh, I didn't know, kind of like Chapel wrong with Bridget Bordero. They're like, oh, I didn't know she was this. You know what I mean? Because like, we're locked in because we do Hot Topics, but in general, Connie's never really on my sphere. So when I like when you were saying that, like. Yeah, I kind of remember the merch were kind of like, not.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

You know, so maybe she wasn't like locked in.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

As much. I don't know.

[Trish]

Hopefully. Hopefully.

[Michaela]

You know, we love a turnaround. But he seems, seems a little dubious.

[Trish]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, I keep laughing because I remember last week I was like, so everyone's mad about this. And that is kind of the theme, right?

[Michaela]

Everyone's mad. What's everyone happy about this week? No, we need. Everyone's so happy about yo, what does everyone love?

[Trish]

What's been like. But then the Airbnb of it all of everyone getting scammed or Poosh canceling people's tickets whatever whatever.

[Michaela]

Now one, one unified happiness.

[Trish]

I know, like, what's like, I guess maybe the space astronauts in space, everyone. Them going around the moon. I feel like people were happy about that. Like seeing the.

[Michaela]

They completed their trip. Did we know about this? Oh, they went around the moon.

[Oscar]

Like they were literally sending them off right as we were finishing up the podcast.

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah. Most are trying to get me. What was that? You're trying to give me the good

[Trish]

Jenner to wish them good luck. And you wanted the good luck for yourself.

[Michaela]

I, I split the good luck. I got a little for myself and a little for the astronauts. So I'm glad they made it back.

[Trish]

I don't think they're back yet. It's 10 days and they left last Wednesday. So I guess they still have a few more days up, up, up there.

[Michaela]

Sending them well wishes. I love these jeans. Again, sorry not to get distracted, but these are your second pair of Bling jeans. Yeah, I love these. They're so.

[Trish]

Yeah, they are. Actually.

[Michaela]

This is a Coachella fit. I really feel Likeella. His jeans match the veil. They're very cool.

[Trish]

The concept of me wearing the psycho,

[Michaela]

I love it with the see through. Very, very, very cool. What's everyone mad about?

[Trish]

Oh, vanilla Mace.

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah. I did see a little bit of this. She's taking a two week hiatus.

[Trish]

Yeah, she's taking a two week break

[Michaela]

from streaming because of this or she already had it.

[Trish]

She already was planning to do it. I think just like mental health as well. Like, because she works a lot.

[Michaela]

Is she going to Coachella?

[Trish]

I don't know that would make sense. I know my queen, my mother, Gen X Penn, is going to Coachella.

[Michaela]

So maybe, yeah, all my glam people are always like, I'm taking two weeks off.

[Trish]

I was like, I forgot how it is around here.

[Michaela]

I know.

[Trish]

It is good because it is, like, a little quieter, but it's also like, no one's around. No one's around. No one's here, no one's at Coachella. We'll be making content for you guys,

[Michaela]

but we'll be here.

[Trish]

I don't know how I'm gonna look.

[Michaela]

I don't know if I'll be glam. But download.

[Oscar]

Download the episodes because you can listen to them when you're in traffic on your way.

[Michaela]

On the way to Coachella. Yes. Good.

[Trish]

Because everyone else is out of town.

[Michaela]

That's.

[Trish]

Everyone is at the festival. But we'll be here always. But yeah, she was on stream and then she answered and she was telling her viewers about her hiatus. So as scheduled and everyone would know and have the expectation. And she did reply to one comment. I'll just play it for her.

[Michaela]

She had the pink wig. I think I saw it.

[Trish]

Yes, the pink wig.

[Michaela]

Love the wig. See, someone said, girl, please, this is

[Trish]

one of the easiest jobs out there.

[Michaela]

Okay, Go live right now. Go live right now, and I'll send

[Trish]

everyone over to your stream.

[Michaela]

Actually, I'll send everyone out. I'll send everyone there.

[Trish]

Let's.

[Michaela]

Come on.

[Trish]

Go.

[Michaela]

Well, go on. That's crazy. Go. Come on. Don't be shy. Don't be shy. Go do it and pull it. Go ahead. Go ahead. And also, too.

[Trish]

What kills me is people.

[Michaela]

When people be like, it's so easy. It's so easy. And I'm like, but the. The real. Let's wake it up, though. Because if a lot of you sat

[Trish]

in front of a. Not. Not you guys. You guys are funny, but the people that be talking.

[Michaela]

If some of you sat in front

[Trish]

of a computer and.

[Michaela]

And had to talk for six hours, nobody would stay and watch because you'd be boring because it would be yawn fast. So, like, I'm sorry, but you got to be like. You got to be like, you know, a little bit entertaining on this. That's so funny. That's so real.

[Trish]

It's really not that easy. See, she kills me. I honestly, yeah, I knew immediately. Okay. So I think it was clipped out of context and went viral. And I could see without context how people would be like, oh, it's another. You try being an influencer for a day but in context where she was just talking about like wanting to take a two week break. That's kind of where this comment came from. It's like why essentially why do you need a two week break? This job is like really easy. That's kind of the context of the comment and why she'd kind of be annoyed because yeah, she's also someone who has really been doing it full time maybe like three years now maybe. And she's worked a lot of jobs and her last one was sex work and working at a club. So she knows how hard like job like a traditional job can be. And she's also kind of always saying like how grateful she is for the job and she also acknowledges like what a privilege it is that she got to do it. Me being the number one villain. Vanilla me.

[Michaela]

You do love vanilla. I do love her and I like her too.

[Trish]

And I also just know like I know her vibe. Like I've seen, I've watched enough of her. Like I see her, her brand basically just being like she's very like self aware. She's again relatively new to doing, influencing full time. And she also does work a lot. Like yes, the job is easy but she's also like on 247 again like you, like you. She's another person who schedules herself so much to where like yeah of course the job is easy but when you're just working so many hours, even if it's a job you love and it's fun, you still just get tired and burnt out because you're just on non stop. And she's, she's streaming for so many hours several times a week. But then she also has to you know, do her own social posts and everything. Again easy work. Especially considering the pay disparity of like you know, every other job. But it is just, just still a lot of work. And then she also collabs with so many people. Like she's always doing some stream with somebody. She's a say yes kind of girl. She's always collabing with someone doing something. So she's just on a lot and I think people assume that it's just like anyone can do it. It's such an easy job. Why would you ever get tired of it? Why would you ever need a break? Well you just get burnt out no matter what.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

And, and I, she does acknowledge that like yeah it is such a privilege. I feel like it's very different from Michaela versus like this job. Like you can never imagine what it's like to be me because it's so hard and you wouldn't last a day doing it. Like, her point of view is like, yeah, it's like an easy job, but like, not everyone is built for it. You know what I mean? That's. I kind of. That was my interpretation.

[Michaela]

But yeah, yeah, I think I love an elevation. I love Michaela. I like it both. But I do think this is like, this the dumb thing to say. Like, in general. Like, I. I don't know. I think it's just like, why say it? I love an old maze. I'm with her, I feel her. But it's like people are gonna get mad. I think she doesn't care, which is like cool. Like, I think that. But I think like, like what people think of her. I just think like, we all learn now as influencers. Like, don't say. It's like, it's like, you know, just take a break and don't say anything about it. Take a break. You deserve a break. Whatever. I don't know. I see why I can write people wrong with me. I didn't care obviously. But like, I see why rub people the wrong way?

[Trish]

Because yeah, I could see if you don't have context too as like what the situation is and like what the conversation was going into that clip. Like, I definitely understood immediately, like why people get upset. Like, it's. Then it is. It's a little harder than you think. Like, I get that. But then when you know the context of like, oh, she just was saying she was going to take a break and then. I do know what you're saying though. I think we've. It's always like a common thing where it's like the second you clap back or like respond, you're just like setting yourself up.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Controversy. Because people are going to take it and run with it. And I do get that.

[Oscar]

It.

[Trish]

I would imagine it is so hard when you're like live streaming too because like you see it and it's like right in front of you and it's like, like you.

[Michaela]

Yeah, the initial. Oh, I would never live stream for that reason. That initial response. I would never. Because it is like whatever you say is going to be out there forever.

[Trish]

And it's like some. You got to remember like kind of what we're saying last week too with clips from here being taken out of context. So like Jimmy thinks about that too. It's like everything that you say in like this 6 hour stream can be clipped and used, you know, and that it is just an unfortunate.

[Michaela]

But I think it Comes with the territory. I feel like there's one thing I like will never do is like, complain. Because it is like the biggest privilege, like, my job. Well, you know, like, now you talk about this too with like, being an influencer. Like, you do get paid so much more, like, than doctors and all these things like that. So it's like, it's a lot. And like, mentally that's a lot. Like having to like, leave your baby, leave this. But. But at the end of the day, like, it is just like there's no other job because other jobs you have to leave for six months at a time. Who's a guy from like 90 fiance Jovi, who leaves for like six months. So it's like, it is part of the job. You are getting paid way more than the average person for doing it's work. It's stressful, sure, but the payoff is like, not worth complaining about in general.

[Trish]

Yeah, no, I do agree with that too. Especially like, again, like, trying to get house and stuff too. Like, like the difference is crazy. Like, and it just seems like, unfair also because it is such like an unserious line of work.

[Michaela]

You know what I mean?

[Trish]

Like, it is in comparison everything else. Like, it's so unserious in the amount of hours. Again, like, yes, you're there. I think that, like, the way I always explain it is like, I work a lot of hours, but the work is easy.

[Michaela]

I do 24 hours.

[Trish]

Yes. And I can still get, like, I get burnt out and like, I get tired or like I said, say, like, I'm just like exhausted. But, like, I also have the understanding that it's what I do is like, so easy in comparison to like, other jobs. And it's. That's like a hard thing to like, convey because I know why people get, like, very resentful towards influencers. Obviously.

[Michaela]

That's why I think influencers shouldn't complain because at the end of the day you're just getting paid way more. And like, yes, it's stressful, it's annoying, it's hard. It's hard to get hate. But I dumbled every. Like, I can't believe I've been doing this 20 years. Like, I cannot believe this is my job like this. This is so insane. I feel so lucky. And when, you know, people who have to get up at 5 o' clock and they don't get home till whatever, they have to leave for a certain time and they're still not making that. Yeah. So I think it's just like when you're so privileged. Just don't complain. Even if you have stuff to complain about, I think that's like, the one thing you have to take. It's almost like even like, when you get hate comments, it's like, yeah, it sucks. No one should have to get bullied. But, like, if your life's online, you're just gonna get comments about your life.

[Trish]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Michaela]

And I don't. I think that's it. I love them both. And she is a new influencer and so is Michaela. So I just. I get it. I get it. And I'm definitely have, like, you know, I try not to complain. I mean, I'll say stuff like, don't, you know, if I'm with my kids or something like that. But, like, in general, I try not to. And there's also boundaries. Like, you could be like, oh, don't come. Like, she. I saw a clip of her talking about. She didn't like when people come up to her, she wants her off time or something like that. She was. Yeah, even that. I don't like to complain about too much because at the end of the day, this is a privileged job. And the reason it's privileged is because there's fans. Because, like, influencers are actually nothing without fans. When you get to a certain level, maybe not. Maybe like an Alex Earl who's just like a brand face or something like that. But I think, like, yeah, me or anybody, Mikhail, anybody is like, nothing without fans. So I even try not to complain about that because it's like, damn worry about the day people don't want a picture with you, you know, So I don't know my take. I get she, but I think Vanilla Maze really doesn't care. I feel like she's just like, that person's like, I'm say whatever I want, which is, you know, honestly good for her. But I do get why people think it's like, yeah, I don't want to hear it because it's like, anyways, you know what I mean? I want to hear it.

[Oscar]

The main thing is that to me, the biggest difference is like, do you work for somebody else or do you work for yourself? And she works for herself. And so many people that watch her, they have somebody tells them what to do. You have a boss, you don't have a choice. She has a choice. So that's why they're like, you can't complain if you're the one choosing. You're the boss. So if you feel like this is too many hours, it's Too hard. Like, whatever. You can adjust your schedule. You can make it to a way that it's comfortable for you.

[Trish]

But I think also contextually, though, to bring it back. I don't think she would. It was like a response to someone giving her a hard time from wanting to take that break versus, like, her just randomly complaining about her job and saying that it's a hard job. I think is saying, like. Because I guess I just also know because I've watched her streams and stuff, like, how. How much she talks about how, like, lucky she is to have this job now. So I also have that context of her being like, understanding what a privilege she has versus, like, this comment where I think she was just like, annoyed at someone giving her a hard time. But she's like, damn, can I just like, not stream? Because it's the comment. And at the end of the day was coming from a fan who was sad that she was going to be gone for two weeks because they.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Are gonna miss the streams. But yeah, I do. But I think your point of, like, ignore it. Yeah. You kind of have to because yeah, it does cause a whole thing, a whole debacle.

[Michaela]

Especially if it's a fan. Like, damn, girl, I'm just gonna miss you.

[Trish]

But doing a little too much.

[Michaela]

So they do. I mean, in this context, it's probably okay. As opposed to like a Kiki Palmer, like, you know, someone coming up to propose to you or come to your house. Oh, you know what I mean? Like, I was like, yeah, sometimes fancy the much the most. But I know, I know some. Yeah. Some people.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

By the end of the day, that's what you need. She's so funny. Yeah. Streaming sounds horrible. I can answer all those comments live.

[Trish]

I know.

[Michaela]

Absolutely not.

[Trish]

Especially with that many people talking to you at once.

[Michaela]

Like, and I get, like, real worked up. Yeah. If I see a comment. Well, that's annoying too, about live. And I think that's why I stopped doing it. So people can see all the comments. So, like, why aren't you answering this one? I hope she does okay. I always think about that, like, long term. Like, all the ones who started in, like, covet, like all these like 2020 influencers. I'm like, I wonder if they're gonna be like, long haul or they're. Because some dude just get, like, burnt out. Remember that one I always bring up and I always forget her name. She was like, really popular around the Emma Chamberlain time and she did, like, burnout at 19. Was her video Ellie Thuman? Yeah. Is she still Around. I love that.

[Trish]

You know she models, but. And she makes. She vlogs. She vlogs.

[Michaela]

Oh, she a model. I didn't know.

[Trish]

Yeah. The really tall like brunette girl. Is that maybe.

[Michaela]

Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, because I was wondering, I'm always like, I wonder if they'll always do stuff in entertainment or they'll just be sick of it and get like a real, like it has any influence or got like a, like a regular job after Influencing, not content creating, whatever it's called.

[Trish]

Didn't Alex Ernst do real estate or something After David Dobrik the vlog squad?

[Michaela]

He's back. He's back in the David o' Brick world.

[Trish]

So I don't know a second he was doing a real job, but yeah, right.

[Michaela]

Because he was coming for people doing like lives and stuff like that. That he's back at the. In the David o' Brick world. It's against my will that I find out about this stuff. Okay. I literally saw a clip and I was like, okay, fine. I'm not like trying to find out about this, but I feel like there's

[Trish]

someone who has a corporate job manage. I'm forgetting who. Some people went into like management though, like talent management or something like a field related. I forget who. Someone from like the old days. Oh, like old school YouTube. I'm forgetting who. But I know someone like just parlayed that experience into doing like more behind behind the scenes stuff. So I'm sure more people have like,

[Michaela]

where's the Fine brothers? You think they're still running the REACT channel or they selled it or what's happening?

[Trish]

That's a good question. Maybe they just sold it and are making money behind the scenes.

[Michaela]

I guess, Yeah, I guess that some

[Trish]

people because yeah, they're still. I mean REACT is still going.

[Michaela]

So I think Ms. Glamorazzi got a real job.

[Trish]

Oh yeah, Ingrid.

[Michaela]

I think she talked about it once. Like she came back, she's like, I have a job or something. Blair Fowler, I think has a real job.

[Trish]

Oh yes, You're a teacher.

[Michaela]

Yes, yes. Okay. So I think, yeah, I think people just. Real job is a crazy thing to say.

[Trish]

I know.

[Michaela]

I like the. We didn't promote at the beginning. The title of the Patreon was Famous actress and a normie. Oh yeah, that's the actor. That was great. I didn't get a notification for it, so I went to go check this morning. I was like, oh, we should have thought that was a great title. We did an acting challenge. I guess we should talk about the Beginning.

[Trish]

Oh, yeah. See?

[Michaela]

Well, patreon.com we did an action. It was fun. We'll have to do it. It was really fun. We did prompts and we had a guess who we were. Jimmy liked it. He put a note that said more of these, please.

[Trish]

I know. The comments are really sweet, too. It was fun.

[Michaela]

That was a good one.

[Trish]

Yeah, huh? I feel like I really want to be cast as an extra in a movie at some point. Also, I was again thinking this during the drama because obviously there was a wedding scene and there's, like, people in the background reacting to everything going on in the wedding. And I was like, wow, I would have been so good in this scene.

[Michaela]

Yeah, that's easy. You could easily do that. Just go to central casting.

[Trish]

But I want to be an extra in, like, a fun movie. Like, I'm going. I'm shooting to the. If I'm going to be an extra, I'm shooting for the top.

[Michaela]

Which one?

[Trish]

I'm thinking like, Avengers Doomsday. I'm thinking like Dune 3. I want to be in Dun.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Because there's, you know, the sand people. Like, I want to be one of those.

[Michaela]

I feel like you must have to be, like, a actor.

[Trish]

Actor, though. I feel like you wouldn't see me because I think they wear, like, black. Black outfits that cover their face and stuff.

[Michaela]

But that's the best kind of extra to be like, oh, that was me. You don't even have to be in it to say you weren't sure you gave. Yeah.

[Trish]

As. As you were saying that, I was like, okay, I'm just gonna make that up.

[Michaela]

And. Yeah, breathe in. She's like, that was me in there.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

I know actors, like, back when I was, like, growing up, they were all. Say they were in the movie 300 because there was, like, so many gladiators. Yeah. Like, I was in that movie. I was like, oh, it's cool. Just make it up.

[Trish]

Yeah, I'm gonna just do that.

[Michaela]

I want to be, like, a featured extra, though. Like, in Bridgerton, you know, I always, like when people, like, give love looks

[Trish]

like, oh, you know, like, you have Modern Family.

[Michaela]

Very. You're right. I was in my featured actress era. That was always great because you go as a general call, and then when they would pick you to, like, walk across, you're like, wow. I was. I miss you, like, the best. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. That is true. Actually. I've been featured extra. I think I had Jackass thing as a feature. Yeah. I've been. Me and Willem. I've been featured extra. I guess I just have that star quality, me and Will.

[Trish]

The face. The face.

[Michaela]

The face.

[Trish]

Yeah. Presence actually, too, because I. The screen grab of you and Modern Family went viral again, like, last weekend. And even in the still image, I like, I felt the presence. Oh, really? Yeah, because you were, like, strutting in front of Eric Stonestreet.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Trish]

And like, you were really giving.

[Michaela]

Thank you. There was another famous actor in that scene too. He was like a guest star. I forgot his name. He was playing. He was someone pretending to be gay in the scene, but he was real life straight. But he was trying to get with Julie Bowen's character. So it was like Claire, Eric Stonestreet and then like some other famous actor.

[Trish]

Wow.

[Michaela]

I don't know his name, but I remember. Yeah. And I remember being like, I'm gonna mog this and. Yeah. And I.

[Trish]

Did you seen Maxed?

[Michaela]

Yeah, I see Max scene Maxed. I did see Max. I was maxing to the fullest. It's a great one. I do love that clip, that little strutting me with my blonde hair. It's a good time.

[Trish]

Work well.

[Oscar]

We have Max to the show.

[Michaela]

We have a Hot Topics Maxed. Well, there is so much happening in the world. You guys just look around and be thankful for what you have. Okay, Normie, Max, if you will, like, just be really happy. Just living the life. I saw a tick tock. I should have saved it. I didn't because someone was breaking it down. They were talking about Gavin DeGraw. Is that his name? Do you know Gavin, the singer that. I don't want to be anything.

[Trish]

Yeah. Other than what I've been trying to be lately.

[Michaela]

All I want is for me to have. Have peace of mind or something like that. And it's like he ate. He did eat. Like, you just. You're tired of people telling you what you're to do and who you're supposed to be. And I was like, yeah, just literally relax and just be where you're at.

[Trish]

So true.

[Oscar]

So true.

[Trish]

Gavin.

[Michaela]

Yeah, that's my Gavin Newsome. For a minute, I was a Gavin. Gavin de Gr. And you know, just. Even Coachella, if you're having fomo, don't. It's expensive.

[Trish]

It's dusty. You'll get sick.

[Michaela]

You'll get sick. Dehydrated and broke. So just enjoy it from afar. If you're going, have fun, but if you're not, don't have Momo. And just remember, you're always where you're meant to be. Just know that in life. You are always exactly where you're supposed to be. And we said we're gonna always be here for Coachella, but I don't know if I'm gonna be here after Coachella. I think we have to film this Friday. I think we're gonna miss the Coachella recap.

[Trish]

Oh, T. That's. Okay. Well. Well, some Coachella would have happened, I guess, but as we're filming, that's true.

[Oscar]

We can be live. We can be live.

[Michaela]

Okay. Okay. Anyways, cut it or don't. Thank you guys for being here. Remember, some bunny loves you and we love you, and we're gonna go do the extended on patreon.com just Trish, we love you. Check out Oscar Gracie's vlogs at Oscar Gracie. Check out Moses at Moses cooking videos, and we will see you soon. I should have done that at the begin. Should I do an intro at the beginning with Patreon? Should do a little shout. I feel like I'm doing all the shout outs at the end.

[Trish]

I'm sure. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Okay. Okay. We'll do a little insert because. Anyways. All right. But have fun. Bye, guys. Bye.