Influencer Drama At the Hannah Montana Premiere + Trisha Gets Cast on MORMON WIVES? | Just Trish

Summary

Just Trish – March 26, 2026: Hannah Montana Mania, Mormon Wives Mayhem & Pop Culture Deep Dives

Episode Overview

In this lively episode, viral phenomenon and “meme queen” Trisha Paytas and co-host, Emmy-award winning journalist Oscar Gracey, serve up their signature blend of unfiltered pop culture tea, sharp commentary, and chaotic comedy. Trisha and Oscar swing from dissecting the emotional depths of the Hannah Montana 20th anniversary special, to a fiery takedown of the latest Mormon Wives drama, with stops for influencer gossip, red carpet fashion, and wild digressions into nostalgia, TV reboots, and celebrity scandals.

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Main Segments & Key Topics

1. Award Season Excitement & Manifestation

• Start: [02:00]
• Trisha celebrates a big night: attending her very first major award show, the iHeartRadio Awards, and laughs about random “awards” she’s received (“I guess we won a couple awards. None that I’ve been nominated for. They’re all just kind of given to me. So this is…exciting.” – Trisha, [04:20])
• The group discusses how live TV is consumed, reminisces on the Streamys, and jokes about TikTok taking over highlights.
• Trisha announces her new book Crying on the Kitchen Floor ([05:07]), debates sales predictions, and reveals the joy of seeing Rosie O’Donnell preorder it:

  "Rosie O'Donnell commented on my Instagram. I was like, 'ordering now.' That's huge...I'm a big, big Rosie fan." – Trisha ([07:18])

• Discussion on using Linktree, the perils and perks of a crowded bio, and the link billboard era ([08:03]).

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2. Dirty Soda Mixology & Influencer Trends

• Start: [10:00]
• The crew prepares for a Patreon segment mixing viral “dirty sodas” after Swig sends overnight swag (“We have the Tarani pumps, like the green apple and the vanilla...oh, this is gonna be fierce.” – Trisha, [10:08]).
• Oscar describes TikTok’s “influencer guessing game” and influencer assistant trends ([10:09]).
• Trisha connects this to early YouTube culture and nostalgia rewrites for her memoir.

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3. Hannah Montana 20th Anniversary Special: Nostalgia & Red Carpet Realness

• Start: [12:06]
• Oscar confesses FOMO over missing the “Night of 100 Hannahs” themed premiere ([12:12]).
• Miley’s Impact: Both reminisce about how Hannah Montana impacted an entire generation of influencers. Jojo Siwa and others credit their careers to the show:

  "This show influenced so many people...it really did push people to be an influencer." – Oscar ([13:56])

• Oscar shares his deep personal connection:

  “I watched the special and cried five times. It was such a core memory.” ([14:33])

• Red carpet standout looks and best-dressed debate, notably Mikayla Nogueira (“Even just her going through the outfit options...I was concerned. But she turned it out.” – Oscar, [40:07])
• Trisha on the emotional resonance of childhood pop and how it shaped different life stages ([35:38]).

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4. Behind-the-Scenes & Drama: Cast No-Shows and Shady Instagram Posts

• Start: [17:15]
• The co-hosts analyze Emily Osment’s absence and neutral Instagram post vs. Mitchell Musso’s heartfelt shoutout to Miley ([18:08]).
• Conspiracy theories about cast relationships and dedications.
• Billy Ray’s absence is questioned; Tish showed up but not him:

  “Do you think there’s a restraining order? Why didn’t he show up?” – Trisha ([20:13])

• Miley’s new song “Younger You” and the complex parent-child relationship (“The older you get, the more you realize your parents are so f**ked up too.” – Trisha, [21:00])

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5. Red Carpet Fashion: The Best & The Bullied

• Start: [39:31]
• Oscar, Trisha, and Darian unanimously declare Mikayla Nogueira the evening’s fashion MVP and blast TikTok for “mean ass” comments ([40:18]):

  “The haters are so mad she looks good. Her body was eating, her makeup, her hair, everything.” – Trisha ([40:18])

• Praise for influencers who “lean into” nostalgia and serve charisma on the carpet ([41:10])

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6. Diving Deep: Mormon Wives Scandal & Call Her Daddy Fallout

• Start: [49:59]
• Trisha and Oscar recap Call Her Daddy’s explosive Jesse Draper episode—her allegations that husband Jordan used escorts and went to sex parties before show fame ([57:24]).

  “How can you do that to someone you have kids with?...So evil! Like death dog.” – Trisha ([52:29])

• Jesse’s emotional pain, gaslighting, and why she finally walked away.
• Oscar discusses “rage baiting” and how Nick Viall and other ex-Bachelor personalities manipulate narratives ([50:21]).
• The toxic masculinity of Utah husbands, jealousy over wives’ influencer success, and women becoming breadwinners ([55:01]).
• The “curse of Just Trish” (not booking trending guests in time), and why Trisha called the Mormon husbands “musty and ugly” months ago (“The opposite of masculine is whatever they are.” – Trisha, [55:36])

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7. Hot Topics Lightning Round: Pop Culture Potpourri

• Beatles biopics: Trisha and Oscar roast the idea of one film for each Beatle, with Trisha bluntly stating, “No, we don’t need the Avengers of 1964.”
• Biopic empathy and why some villains, like Snape or Monster’s Aileen, get nuanced treatment ([99:33]).
• Harry Potter HBO adaptation: nostalgia vs. JK Rowling controversy, and how “it sucks that something so formative is forever tainted” ([143:40]).
• Fashion, Moses’ (Oscar’s) trivia skills, and 1980s music video nostalgia ([125:03]).
• The Moana live-action wig debate (“The wig looked great. I think people love to hate.”—Trisha, [131:44]), and why The Rock needs sea salt spray.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

Trisha’s Classic Cuts:

• “It’s called the Mormon Wives, not Mormon Men. You’re not getting a spinoff. Dad Talk is canceled. You’re so boring.” ([75:31])
• “Stop cheating and you’ll be less ugly. How about that? Allegedly.” (On Barry Keoghan, [115:24])
• “I always think of FouseyTube: ‘They called me dumb and fat, they called me gay.’” ([130:34])
• “It’s all just for entertainment. I don’t give a sh*t. They’re all nice, they’re all fine. Everybody, it’s all for laughs.” ([129:49])

Oscar’s Standout Commentary:

• “Sometimes you have to be your own news outlet, your own TikTok.” ([32:15])
• “This audience is very socially conscious—feminist, cares about morality. Sports fans just want to see athletes.” ([77:15])

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Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamps | |-------------------------------------------|---------------| | Award Show & Book Chat | 02:00–09:00 | | Dirty Soda & Influencer Trends | 10:00–12:06 | | Hannah Montana Special | 12:06–44:09 | | Mormon Wives Mayhem | 49:59–68:17 | | Pop Culture Potpourri (Moana, HP, Beatles)| 98:48–145:11 | | Nostalgia & TV Shows | 145:11–150:19 | | Just Trish End Segment / Outro | 150:19–End |

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Recurring Humor & Inside Jokes

• “Fat blindness”: Discussion of chasers at bear sex parties, connecting to Mormon husband drama ([60:29])
• “Ugly is not an insult, it’s a descriptor”: Trisha’s reclaiming of the term for herself and others ([130:15])
• “Dad Talk is canceled!” Trisha dismisses any hope for a Mormon husbands show. ([75:31])
• “Cheese jerky rap”: The hosts recreate the iconic Hannah Montana cheese jerky rap in song ([29:02])
• Hot take on Desperate Housewives:

  “Of all the TV shows, it’s the best show ever made. Like 100%.” – Trisha ([127:53])

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

The episode is a rollicking, sometimes savage, always self-aware ride through the messiest (and most delicious) corners of pop culture. Trisha’s tone is brash and brutally honest but underpinned by nostalgia and a real appreciation for entertainers who “own it.” Oscar gives context and industry insight, keeping the conversation sharp and current. Together, they create a safe haven for the terminally online—fans who want to laugh at drama, but also understand it.

If you haven’t listened:
You’ll walk away with the real scoop on Hannah Montana’s impact, the dirty details (and dirty sodas) of Mormon Wives’ scandals, a no-holds-barred red carpet analysis, and a reminder that pop culture is both a circus and a comfort food for misfits and meme queens everywhere.

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• On the Hannah Montana influence:
  • “This show influenced so many people...it really did push people to be an influencer.” (Oscar, [13:56])
• On internet rage-baiting:
  • “I think you were just very early on in the days of trolling. Rage-baiting wasn’t even a term.” (Oscar, [46:38])
• On dirtiness in Mormon Wives world:
  • “How can you do that to someone you have kids with? So evil. Like death dog.” (Trisha, [52:29])
• On TV nostalgia:
  • “Of all the TV shows, Desperate Housewives is the best show ever made.” (Trisha, [127:53])
• On red carpet fashion:
  • “All of you that are hating are so mad that she looks good… I’ve seen more charisma in Mikayla than any influencer in the past 20 years.” (Trisha, [40:18])

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For More

• Subscribe to the show on YouTube: Just Trish Podcast
• Patreon extras teased: influencer guessing games, dirty soda mixology, and more behind-the-scenes chaos!

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Remember: “This is just for entertainment purposes…nothing is being taken seriously, no legal action required!” – Trisha ([159:43])

Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses Hacmon]

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[Trisha Paytas]

I did. I did. Everyone's like, she's jokingly saying this. I'm like, this one's a little real.

[Moses Hacmon]

And he went on to, like, give Miley a big shout out. So I was like, well, why did Emily say that? But maybe I'm just being a little shameless.

[Trisha Paytas]

She hates her. Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

That's the reason I went specifically got. I was big, too. I was. It was like a bear gathering.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was all fat people. What's happening here on this set? Okay, what's happening on a set? All right, here we are. Welcome back to the Just Trish. Is it the unofficial Mormons Wives after podcast? I think. I think we're becoming that. Sorry, guys. We'll have time stamps if you're trying to skip past. We won't do 90 minutes of Mormon Wives Day. But Swig overnighted us. They knew it was urgent. They overnighted us. Cups. Swag. I was like, swag from Swag. It was amazing. I DM them on. Welcome to the Gestures podcast, by the way.

[Darian]

The highly awarded.

[Trisha Paytas]

The highly. There's awards galore everywhere, which I just noticed. I was like, this is a little crazy. You know what? I love it. We're manifesting. Tonight is the I Heart Radio Awards. I don't know. I could be a future trophy winner here. I'm so excited to go to an award show. I never been. You've been to one.

[Moses Hacmon]

You've been to one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have I?

[Moses Hacmon]

The Streamys.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Fake was there even performers at the Streamy. Is it just like those people who shoot. Dude. Dude, perfect. Shooting basketball. Like, there's no performance. It's just messy. It's not real, is it? No. There Was no hose. Is there a host?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think there was a host, but I can't remember.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what? I think maybe it was try guys in 2018.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, that sounds right.

[Trisha Paytas]

It feels like Try Guys. I remember. Who are these people? Even back then, I didn't know anybody. That doesn't count. It's not Ludacris. It's not tlc, Miley, Taylor Swift, Trish.

[Moses Hacmon]

True. That's. This is going to be legendary.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's going to be legendary. And I hope. I hope the award gets televised and I hope I win. I'm really manifesting hard. I have things lined up for after I win, so I. I hope I win. If not, it's an honor to be nominated and that's it. But I love all this. I did, I guess, when. I guess I did win, like an unwell Lifetime achievement Award, but I didn't really win. No one was us. It actually says for online excellence and peak insanity. So I guess no one else nominated. I won, which is great. We are talking about Alice Cooper and well today, so thank you for this word. The other ones were given to me. This was from Moses. Is this from you? Are they all given to you?

[Darian]

That one was when we first, like, woke up TikTok.

[Trisha Paytas]

But, like, I remember Rylan's. Did he say it?

[Darian]

And you had the trophy. He just said the Queen of like. He just said it when you were in their podcast. But I made that award regardless. I think you reached 4 million.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you added woke to it.

[Darian]

Yeah, I think.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, oh, Whoa. Queen of Tick Tock. That's a big honor.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a big honor. Okay. Yeah. I do feel Rylan also verbally gave me that award at some point on the scene.

[Darian]

Just presented you like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, I like it. And this one was given to us by Spotify, which I thought was cool. It says the Eternal Optimist War. I'm like, well, we gotta. But I think they gave out all these to everybody and it was. Everyone was the optimist. Yeah.

[Darian]

Well, I think there was like four different options, but.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I see.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I think a lot of people got Eternal Optimus. I thought it was like a special one for us. And I was like, okay, love that. So I guess we won a couple awards. You know, none. None that I've been nominated for. They're all just kind of given to me. So this is. This is exciting tonight. It is. It is a big one. Tune in Fox. I find out Hulu or something. Philo, I don't know where you. Where do you watch live tv?

[Moses Hacmon]

That is an excellent question and a tough one to answer. I guess. Like you got a sling? A sling box.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sling box.

[Moses Hacmon]

A live stream somewhere. I have no idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

TikTok will just show you the highlights if you want to see. We're very excited about it. I have a linktree not sponsored by linktree. Do you have a link tree?

[Moses Hacmon]

I do.

[Darian]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you have it in your bio?

[Moses Hacmon]

I do.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. It is kind of everything. Cause I would always change the link out like every like week I'm like, okay, I have a Palm Spring show and then I have like, you know, Netflix's joke. And then I have all these pre order books. There's. Oh, by the way, preorder my book Crying on the kitchen Floor. Mo's like, I think you already sold 40,000. Or was it 40,000 or 4,000?

[Darian]

No, I predicted the first day would be 45,000.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's no way, babe. I do not tell that much of anything. But Mo's like, you do.

[Darian]

Like really? When you had shows, they would sell out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Shows are different.

[Darian]

This is different because I feel like it's a $30 to get something that's.

[Moses Hacmon]

And you can live anywhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, that's true.

[Darian]

So it's like the entire Nation plus the UK definitely. And when the COVID comes out, I predict 10 to 20,000.

[Trisha Paytas]

My mom thought this was the COVID She loved the COVID in pink. It's not my cover, but I love the title.

[Moses Hacmon]

Crying on the kitchen floor. Final cover. The Converse.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's the plum.

[Darian]

Maybe offensive might delet

[Trisha Paytas]

there it is. Yeah. It's actually funny how many people people love the title, but it is funny. Like on Twitter, like, oh, what is this? A lot of Del Rey song. Like people don't get the reference. And I was like, oh, some people don't.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess you haven't cried on the kitchen floor in so long. We're losing the ancient text.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I want to say it's been like seven years since I lived in that. Yeah, it is. It is a relic, the kitchen floor. But you guys, it is available. Jimmy Wetzel pre ordered. He sent me his pre order.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Oh, I should post mine. I need to post my receipts. Of course I pre ordered it. My mom, I think she was very excited.

[Darian]

I did too. I got.

[Moses Hacmon]

My mom was like, what is Trisha selling a book? And I was like, yeah. She's like, okay, I'm gonna order it. And then also random aside, Moses seems like a really nice guy. That was her follow up.

[Trisha Paytas]

She watch? Is she watching?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think she just, like, keeps up on Instagram.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, that's so. Oh, shout out. Oscar's mom. We love that. Well, thank you, everybody who pre ordered.

[Darian]

I know about, like, a $50 for a signed headshot. Here, you're gonna get the full book with the beautiful cover.

[Trisha Paytas]

The COVID is.

[Darian]

It's 30. $30 is amazing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have you not seen the COVID No,

[Moses Hacmon]

but I kind of want to be gagged with everyone because, you know, I love, like, a reaction.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I was like, oh, I could show you too, but okay, okay. I think I've only shown Tana. And she was like, oh, my God. I think the COVID is so good and not like any other book. And it's pretty and it's pink, and I feel like it's just, like, art that you can, like, put in your thing. Rosie o' Donnell commented publicly on my Instagram. I was, like, ordering now. I was like, oh, that's huge. That's huge. I'm a big, big Rosie fan. I was so excited.

[Darian]

So that's what I'm saying.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're excited. It was exciting. I'm glad people liked it. And title was diabolical of the podcast. It was like, trisha Paytas exposes everyone. I was like, we're in our PC.

[Moses Hacmon]

We gotta show those books, honey. Okay. I read pr. I didn't get no PR degree for nothing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, you know what I give you? At first I was like. And then I was like, no, that

[Darian]

was one of the titles you considered.

[Moses Hacmon]

See, Exposing Everyone.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was. Yes. There's so many titles I could go through that we considered. But yeah, that's a good one, actually. Exposing Everybody. Be scared. I was going somewhere with that before I said it. Was I going somewhere? Somewhere else. Oh, Link Tree.

[Darian]

Link Tree.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not sponsored, but one time they gave us a free billboard, remember, in Times Square?

[Darian]

Link Tree did that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, because, okay, so I'm linktree.com/trisha paytas underscore. But then I went to linktree.com paytas and it's my Eras of Trish, like, tour dates. And it's, like, all beautiful. They made it all fancy with, like, a fancy backdrop. And that was what was in Times Square. It was the Link Tree billboard. And it wasn't sponsored, but they're like, if you make a Link Tree, they'll give you a billboard. I was like, all right. So I used it for the heirs of Trish back then, but I just made one on my own because there were so many links and it is very handy. And that's why I wish you were sponsored because it is really cool. You can push a ton of links there.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I put my PR mail address, which is just my work address, so no one can bomb my house, I guess, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. She sucks. So dark.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, and my three links and it's here.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's yours? Just ask a Gracie.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think so.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like an Amazon wish list. Like go to your link tree and see where you can. It's cool. It's cool because you can just have that one link and everyone can go. Do you think people click on link trees? Because at first when I would see it in Epson's bio, I would never click on it because it sounds like business. It sounds like LinkedIn or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think people do. Yeah. Yeah. And randomly I'll get mail. Sometimes I don't even really promote it. So people click it and then see the like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, so they're looking.

[Moses Hacmon]

So. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Because yeah, there was a lot. There was like a UK pre order. There's a Barnes Noble pre order. There's a hatchet group preorder. There's like so many pre orders. So.

[Darian]

So I guess instead of saying link in bio, you say link tree in bio.

[Trisha Paytas]

Link tree and bio. We should. Because there were crazy links. Like I had Moses put the UK one. Cuz it came after I came to the UK. He's like, there's like 50 links in your description. It was like donate here, there. Watch as he has like there is a lot. So maybe my one can be my link tree and then you guys can just go to all of it. I should put more. You know, he said you should put your store in there. And Patreon. I was like, oh my God, they're 5,000 links. Yeah, it's a lot of links. But anyways, check out that was that. I guess that's all I was going with the link Tree. And then patreon.com dust trish. We are going to be making dirty toys. I got some stuff too. I got really excited. Did you bring stuff? Yeah, I brought. I got. Okay, so I got like a Mountain Dew Baja Blast because I thought it'd be a pretty color, like teal. I got Paris Hilton International Delight creamers that are like champagne sweet and spicy. I did. I was like, okay, I want to also get in on this.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I'm so excited.

[Trisha Paytas]

We have the pumps. We have the Tarani pumps, like the green apple and the vanilla.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, this is gonna be fierce.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I'm very excited as well. I was like, ooh, I don't even know I got some Dr. Pepper. What do you think you're gonna make?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think Dr. Pepper will be my base as well. And then I keep seeing TikToks of, like, I'm Jesse Draper's assistant. I feel like people just make up that they're. Because I've been seeing so many assistants. I'm like, y' all all can't be assistants at the moment wise. So they kind of.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe you were like, with strawberry 17.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that's true.

[Trisha Paytas]

You did.

[Moses Hacmon]

We did have, like, eight.

[Trisha Paytas]

So when I was doing my just my proofread rewrites, there was just, like, specific details. Publisher to ask and be like, oh, do you know specifically, like, what videos you and Shane were watching? I'm like, actually, yeah. Strawberry 17. Oscar Gracie Market there. I just want you, like, in every moment that happen. I'm like, she had 27. Because, like, what's strawberry 17? I'm like, oh, my God, she had, like, 17 interns. Like, I love explaining it to everyone who doesn't know. And I think it might make the book, actually, because I think it's an important detail to know. We were watching Strawberry. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

I keep saying tiktoks like, I'm so and so's assistant, and this is her swig dirty soda recipe or whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

So what do they put in it? I know, coconut or, like, lime or.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, a coconut cream. A vanilla bean cream. Different pumps of this and that. So I just got all of it. And I'm excited. Excited. I'm really all in.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, I cannot wait to make them. Are we gonna make multiple or are we gonna react to something or what are we.

[Moses Hacmon]

I also.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're just fun.

[Moses Hacmon]

I wanted an excuse just to do the swigs, but then I. My original idea was to copy Tana, of course. The pink print.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Always did an influencer guessing game, like headbands, where you put, like, an influencer on your head.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I did.

[Moses Hacmon]

See, I bought that for us to do too.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I guess we can combine a little mixology. That's fun. I'm really excited for it. Do you see? That's patreon.com justrush. I don't know if I said that, but that's.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or go to the Linktree.

[Trisha Paytas]

Go to Linktree. The Patreon's not on there yet. I gotta put it on the link tree. I know. I should. I should. I should put it on there. Where do we even go? Where do we go first? We go Mormon Wives. We go Hannah Montana premiere. I Feel like there's so much for real this time. I feel like there's so much happening in the influencer space.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I kind of want to start Hannah Montana premiere as also to give a little reprieve from all the Mormon wives news.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I did get a little bit of FOMO from the Hannah Montana premiere. Wait, this is kind of everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was the opposite. I was like. Like, it did look like a. A gas. Loved it. But I was like, I've been intimidated. Everyone kind of showed out with their outfits. You know me, I would have just showed up in like a T shirt or something like that. They really showed out. This was like the Met.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was night of 100 Hannahs.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was giving that. Yeah. The girls showed up and showed out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Everybody. I was like, wait, they all kind of gagged me. I loved it. I love this. I loved this carpet. I love my like, again, I'm not really seeing Hannah Montana. I don't know, like, about it, but I'm gagged by everyone involved. I love everybody. Jason Earl. I love Quinn. I love everybody. Hannah looked good. Miley.

[Moses Hacmon]

I realized especially for, like, influencers, they must really feel the Hannah fantasy. Because, like, I loved Hannah Montana, but I can really relate to, like, the wanting. I don't know, they became famous young, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

This, like, era of influencers, like, between Tara and Tana and like, this whole group, Michaela. So they really are living the Hannah Montana fantasy. So I think for them it was, like, especially emotional because they were. Everyone's posts about it were like, I don't even care. Like, if I come across. If I come across cringe, like, this means so much to me. I'm gonna be so earnest. Like, this show raised me. I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be an influencer without Hannah Montana.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so wild. I know. I told last time we talked about that. My God, people are really, like, emotional about her.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. For me, like, I loved that show and I loved the music and I saw Miley and Hannah live, like, so many times growing up. So, like, I just loved it as, like, entertainment. But it's crazy the connections some people have. Like, it really did influence people to be an influencer.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like, that's what I want to do.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And it's crazy. Like, Jojo Siwa was like, yeah, like, all my childhood music was like, literally her copying Hannah Montana, which is so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's cute.

[Moses Hacmon]

So it is crazy seeing, like, you know, how this show influenced so many people and Impacted so many people.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm surprised by the way Oscar could have gone because ET Went and he's

[Moses Hacmon]

like, no, I could have gone. No, it's not true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because someone did be like, you should have gone. I was like. And then afterwards, like, oh, I don't really care that much. And I was like, okay. I didn't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's just like hard for me to do events because it just like a lot of effort.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's a lot. And then those outfits.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, it's. And everyone was serving.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone was serving stylists for this.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's very over stimulating for sure. So yeah, that's funny. I was thinking about that too. But like, I literally could have asked.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought you were a super. I really thought you were emotional with everyone.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I was watching it. The special itself. I watched the special itself and like cried like five times. Cuz it was such a pivotal childhood, like core memory. Like in such an influence on the most pivotal years of my life. Like, I loved Hannah Montana so much. Literally. Again, I saw her live before the show even premiered. Like I was. I was seated before I even knew what the show was. Like. I was ready for it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then once, like, I remember the days the album, all the albums came out. Like the first album came out in October and it was like the same day.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Moses Hacmon]

The first Hannah Montana album.

[Trisha Paytas]

What'd you say? You said something out days.

[Moses Hacmon]

I remember the date. Like it was like October.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like the day the albums came out. Like I was seated instantly. October 2000, I think. October 23, 2006. It was Taylor Swift's debut album and Hannah Montana's debut album. And you just can't compete with that.

[Trisha Paytas]

So who were you first for?

[Moses Hacmon]

I was first for Hannah. I didn't get into Taylor until like the end of like maybe December 2006. But Hannah was like, march.

[Trisha Paytas]

I won't tell Taylor tonight when I see her. I'll make. No, you were the first.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that kills. Also in the special, like, I live for Miley because she talks like an f slur. She talks like. I can tell. She has so many gay friends. She kind of gives me like twink and a redhead. Like she has her own grants like somewhere. Because she is like such a key and so shady and like, but like cute about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I want to go see them. Are they coming to la? I need to see Twinkie red eyes. They are so funny. Did you see them on Watch what Happens live? Whoever was there at grandpa somehow. Yeah, his face, he's so shady. I love Him. I love both of them, but they play the characters well. We have to go see them.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I know Miley has her own combination. Like, she's the. I guess it's like a twink and a blonde wig.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. I thought you had said Dave days. I thought you said days, like, as in Dave days. Do you remember his videos about her? Yes. Was he there?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think he was there, but he was posting on Twitter about making a comeback just because the Hannah Montana 20th special.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sometimes I kind of hate that when somebody thinks they're, like, connected that much to it. Like, I like, I love Dave days back then, but, like, why weren't you there? You know what I mean? Like, because I saw him make something too, and I was like, oh, this is my comeback. And I was like, I don't know. But it was kind of gaggy that she was in his videos, especially back then. He's like, 2007 YouTube. And so for Miley to, like, appear at the height, because she did the Seven Things video around that time, and he would do, like, parodies. And you know what? He did the cardboard cutout first. He had the Miley cardboard cutout, and then at the end, she appears. So he kind of manifests that, I guess. I was trying to copy those Dave Dana shows, hoping Brad Pitt would appear. I forgot about that. But, yeah, people are so funny when it's like, so long. It's literally been 20 years. And he's like, people are ready for my comeback. I'm like, I don't think Hannah Montana really is associating with you necessarily, but good for him. Yeah, he didn't make it to the premiere. Although everyone made it to the premiere, so I don't know how he didn't.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know where was his invite, although who didn't make it? Kind of gag me. Emily Osment. I was expecting her to show up. She ended up posting that same day on Instagram that she was filming her Big Bang Theory spin off, Georgie and

[Trisha Paytas]

Mandy, which you love from young Sheldon spin off, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. It's in the Big Bang Theory universe, I suppose. I haven't watched Georgie Mandy. I've only watched young Sheldon, to clarify. But I was kind of. I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm just stirring the pot, but her message on Instagram was Hannah Montana changed my life. It gave me a lifelong respect for this medium of comedy. It taught me discipline, patience, timing, and respect working in an adult space so young. And then she gave a shout out to all the fans. She said, Even her co star in the Georgie Mandy show. Montana. Love the Hannah Montana growing up.

[Trisha Paytas]

His name is Montana.

[Moses Hacmon]

His name is Montana.

[Trisha Paytas]

How is he? Maybe he was named after her. It was 20 years ago, actually. Is he young?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like 17?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I thought the whole scandal was he was like 17 and she's like 24 or something in the show.

[Moses Hacmon]

In real life, he's 23. So close.

[Trisha Paytas]

Close. Oh, my God. That would have been crazy if he's named after Hannah Montana. He said he loved it, but she

[Moses Hacmon]

didn't give Miley a shout out. I was like, well, at least give Miley a little. A little something. She just. I don't know, maybe she just doesn't have, like, a relationship. Maybe not in a shady way, but that she just doesn't have, like, a friendship with Miley still. I don't know. But when Mitchell Musso posted his shout out to the 20th anniversary, he also wasn't there. But he said Hannah Montana wrapped around my heart and never really let go. We grew up with y'. All. Long days, crazy schedules, learning lines, cracking up in between takes. And then he went on to, like, give Miley a big shout out and to thank her for being like, his co star. So I was like, well, why did Emily say that? But maybe I'm just being a little cheaper.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right? That's the reason. Because why else? Like, that's. That's duh.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, like, show up. It's a 20th anniversary special.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know it was thrown together like a little last minute, but this is big.

[Trisha Paytas]

As I saw the comments say, you could have given that, you know, advance notice, you know, because this had been going on for a couple months, they said, this planning of this event. So they said she could have had a couple months to take it up this day.

[Moses Hacmon]

At least two months of planning, I would think. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I think she's. I just. I, you know, don't really care. But, like, it does piss me off when people don't go to reunions because it's like, this is your thing that people know you from and this is why you have George and Mandy. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, go to it. Like, I don't like, especially nostalgia. If Hannah, if my thing meet is confusing him. If Miley can put on that blonde wig, I'm like, you can do it.

[Moses Hacmon]

That wasn't even a wig. That was. She dyed her hair and got bangs to be Hannah the commitment.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. She went all in. She went all in for the 20th anniversary special. She looked amazing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Her mom. Her mom looks like her or they look.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, they look similar. Go figure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was he there? Was Trish. Tish.

[Moses Hacmon]

Tish was seated, don't you worry about that. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And. And Billy Ray. They were both there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Billy Ray was in the special, but he was not at the premiere.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know you think there's a restraining order? Why did he show up? He would have been there.

[Moses Hacmon]

He posted that he was in Nashville recording his new album.

[Trisha Paytas]

Billy Ray. We know you can take a tight off from that, but I don't know

[Moses Hacmon]

if Tish and Billy. Yeah, I feel like he did make a little cameo in the hour long special.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

But maybe Tish.

[Trisha Paytas]

People loved it. They said it would heal them.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it was nice to see them like back together. Robbie Ray and she. Miley also has like a new song coming out called Younger you and it's like, it's like basically a song dedicated to like her time as Hannah Montana, like reflecting on that. And she even talked about that. She's like, she gave him a little shout out, like, just call your dad even if you don't have the best relationship with them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's so sad. It's hard. It's hard, you know, because the older you get, the real like, the more you realize like your parents are so up too. You know what I mean? I feel like parents kind of up sometimes the relationship with their kids, you know what I mean? Like I feel like as a kid you don't know, but then you like grow up and you're like, oh, they kind of up and like it's. You see it all the time and it's. I don't, I don't really know the whole situation, but what I see from like the outside is like, you know, her dad's a little, maybe a little up. I mean everyone's parents are. Whoever, maybe her mom, you know, but because she kind of goes back and forth, right? She's like sometimes on her dad's side, sometimes on her mom's side.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's been pretty steady with her mom, but I think she at least tries to acknowledge that, you know, her dad is still her dad from. Is kind of what I gathered. You know, like she still is like thankful that she has her dad around.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think it's. It's hard. Yeah. I support people who go like no contact. Obviously I can't with her parents like that. But yeah, I was like that too. My dad and I always had like a bad relationship and we like worked on it. And then like once I got married, had Kids, he's been like, amazing. So, yeah, if you can salvage it, try. Especially the older you get, I think the more you understand, like, everyone's a little bit. They're just trying their best and nobody's perfect.

[Moses Hacmon]

Very good. And you just gotta work it, honey.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, is that the second again and again.

[Moses Hacmon]

So you get it right? That's right.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that one. That's a good song. Thank you so much to seatgeek for sponsoring today's episode of just Trish. Festival season is right around the corner. You may be thinking, oh, I didn't get my tickets. The tickets sold out right away. Where am I gonna get my tickets? Well, seatgeek has your back. They gave you those exclusive tickets that are hard to find at the best deals online. I love seatgeek. I know I'm looking forward to my chemical romance at the Hollywood bowl. Three shows in a row. I'm gonn get my best deals on. Another little sneaky cac is to find them day of shows. You may be like, I don't know if I want to go. Sometimes getting at the day of show is great. There's Coachella happening. Tons of acts going to be at the sphere this year. Backstreet Boys. Okay. There is also Alex Warren, Zach, Brian, Ozara, Larson. I know those are hard to find. Get those Zara Larson tickets. Cardi B, Chris Stapleton, Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga, bts, Demi lotto, Olivia Dean and more. Get your tickets today with seatgeek. Seatgeek has your back. Each tickets rate on a scale of 1 to 10, so you know you're getting a good deal. Look for the green dots. Green means good, red means bad. You can also see a seating chart. You can go buy how many tickets you want. You kind of mix and choose. Mix and match. Lowest price, highest price, best value seeking has it. And a full 247 customer service. I love it. So even when you're at the event, you can call Zeke if anything happens or goes wrong with your ticket, which they never will because seatgeek has always been great for us. Our recent roster has been paw patrol, cocomelon Live. You know the good, the hits. And every ticket is backed by the seatgeek buyer guarantee. Concert season is right around the corner. To make it even better, you can use code TRISH2026 for 10% off your SeatGeek tickets. That's 10% off tickets with promo code TRISH2026. Make sure you click the link in the description, download the app and have the code automatically added to your Account so you can use it later. Thank you so much to SeatGeek for sponsoring today's episode. I just remember. I always tell this story. I just remember working at neighborhoods at Hollywood and Highland, a custom T shirt place, and Miley Cyrus comes in with her sister and her mom, and the workers immediately just put on, like, Nobody's Perfect. So that's why I know it. And I was just like. And then she's like, oh, my God. And I must have been like, right when she started, because I was, like, 19 working there. So I mean, it probably was right when the show started. Was it 2006? 2006, yeah. That's exactly when I remember people like, oh, my gosh. Hand Wandana. I was like. And this is like, you know, my 18 era, where I have no TV, no money, so I have, like, no idea what's going on. But. But I remember that song because they would play it and repeat. Then when she left, it was all the hand Montana. It was like the original. Maybe it wasn't Nobody's Perfect. Maybe it was another one. I don't know. Whatever songs were out worlds.

[Moses Hacmon]

This is the life.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was that 2007? It was 2007 because I was 1918. I was 2006. So, like, 2000.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe all those 2007 was the second album which has Nobody's Perfect.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe that was like. To me, that's like. I just remember that as soon as it says, I don't know. But she was nice. She was young. I remember being like, oh, my gosh, she's so little. But people were gagged by her being in there. I remember they were like, oh, my God, Santa Montana. I was like, oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, when that show premiered, it was like, in the middle of, like, the High School Musical craze. And, like, I think she was doing press already with the High School Musical cast. And then the same day, Cowbell starring Ali and AJ premiered. Yeah. So they really went all in on Hannah right away, and it was, like, an instant hit, so I'm not surprised.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. She said she. That's what I thought was interesting. So she would, like, hang out with, like, Zach and Vanessa.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, weren't they, like, 18, 19? She's like, little 12.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She said she had a crush on Zach. Someone asked her dis. Was that on the Alice Cooper special?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, well, she said she didn't have a crush on Zac Efron at first. It came later, like, when he got hunkier is what she said. Her original boyfriend on the Disney channel was Dylan Sprouse.

[Trisha Paytas]

T. That's T. Did you know?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, Dylan, I talked about it. Oh. Like, during this with Isaac and Cody days, he kind of said. He was like, yeah, I dated Miley Cyrus for a day, but then she saw Nick Jonas and left me.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's typical, I suppose, at that age. I never had boyfriends at that age, so I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

But it's so funny, though, because Dylan is like. Well, back then was, like, so teeny, and Miley was, like, bigger than him, and she just looks older.

[Trisha Paytas]

They always wear Selena, too. Adjusted. Yeah. Because I remember seeing them together. I'm like, they look, like five years older. But women mature faster than men. They say, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And she said in the special, she's such a key. She's like, it was perfect. Her. Their dad would take me to go get sushi, and then I'd be like, bring the brother.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is so funny. That is kind of everything, though. Could you imagine Miley and the Sprouts Twins? Africa Sushi. I love that they're eating Sushi at, like, 13. Wow. But I was kind of gagged by that. How do you date at that age? I never dated.

[Moses Hacmon]

It sounded very like high school dating. Like, you know, your parents just take you to go eat food, you know, and, like, go to a movie, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if I would drive Malibu and a boy somewhere. I think I'd be like, no, I

[Moses Hacmon]

guess it's better than unsupervised.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, she'll be homeschooled and under my vision, all that. That's. That's so weird. Yeah. Do you stop it. I don't know. I would watch if I took him to sushi. I guess I'd have to, like, sit there, too. Me and Mozo will be, like, right next door eating sushi.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, I think that's what they made it sound like. Cause it's like, yeah, Dylan, Nicole's dad would just take her. Take her.

[Trisha Paytas]

I see.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then she saw Nick, and then it all changed. And that's what everyone else kept pointing out to. The Jonas Brothers have, like, love nostalgia. They love promoting the Jonas show. They love promoting Camp Ross.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

They love year 3000. Like, they love all the anniversaries for all, like, the childhood stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Noticeably absent from The Hannah Montana 20th special. Damn Jonas Brothers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were they on Hannah Montana?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, they toured with Hannah Montana. They opened for Hannah Montana, probably because

[Trisha Paytas]

she wrote seven things about him. And so he's like.

[Moses Hacmon]

And she did give Nick Jonas a little shout out which is funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

What'd she say?

[Moses Hacmon]

She was talking to Chapel Roan and she was like, honestly, it was kind of fun for me. Like, I would just try to make it as fun as possible. Like, I was dating Nick Jonas. So I said, fine, I'll go on tour, but the Jonas Brothers have to open for me so I can be with my boyfriend all the time. And she's like, shout out, Nick.

[Trisha Paytas]

That first name basis. Oh, I love that. Okay, so then they're probably cool.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess so.

[Darian]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So much time.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would think so. Yeah. But I think maybe they're a little afraid of Miley because she's so. Does not give up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, she does not care and she'll kind of say whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I do love her for that. Like, I like Miley as, like, a person. And I'm like, she always seems just like. Yeah, I guess it's just the things I've seen of her, like, on the carpet and just, you know, she, like, shoves, like, Chris. What? Liam. Which one was she with? Liam.

[Moses Hacmon]

Liam, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which, like, shoves him out of the way and, like, it's pissed off at him and it's like, go away.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, so herself.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do love that. Yeah. And I think that's. Yeah, I like her. I like her vibe. I like the little one. The. The little boy on the show.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was Rico.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not Rico, the brother.

[Moses Hacmon]

Jason. Earl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Did you see him on the red carpet?

[Darian]

Of course.

[Trisha Paytas]

Disney plus whoever was hosting the Disney plus little microphone thing where they were rapping. Did you see it?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I didn't see it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. You need to pull it up right now. It's some rap, I'm assuming from the show and he still remembers it and he's duetting with the guy. And I'm just like. Because I'm sure it's from the show and I'm sure this man is probably like, I don't. I don't remember this. I don't know it. But then he, like, totally gave it his all. Please watch it right now. I was watching it in the car and I was just like, this is my favorite thing I've ever seen. I'm the man who had the cheese I'm the man who had the jerky. We put them both together and do

[Moses Hacmon]

it really work it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cheese jerky say what, say what?

[Moses Hacmon]

Cheese jerky say what, say what Mozzarella

[Trisha Paytas]

mousse with sand magura turkey Just one

[Moses Hacmon]

taste, it'll drive you mother.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cheese jacket say what, say what? Cheese jerky say what, say What?

[Moses Hacmon]

And it's all freaking, freaking, freaking fresh Sizzling Stewart. Smoking Oak Enterprises, patent pending.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Wow. He remembers it perfect.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, how cute. And he gave it his all. And the host was like, looking at his notes, you know, to make sure that. What's his name?

[Moses Hacmon]

Carter.

[Trisha Paytas]

Another one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, Jason. Earl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. He was giving. So I looked up his age. He's like 50, I was gonna say.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're saying little boy. It was a 28 when he got cast, and that was 20 years ago. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

So is he. Is he 50?

[Moses Hacmon]

He must be in his 50s. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He looks. How does he look?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, he's 48. He's 48.

[Trisha Paytas]

48. He looks like he's 12. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

He keeps saying little boy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, wait, no, wait, does. Why is he okay? I don't know. I. I don't know.

[Darian]

48 is not that tall.

[Trisha Paytas]

But he looks like he's 12. You know what he like, okay. Right. You are the same age, which is insane. Insane. Oh, my God. The fact that he remembers all that from 20 years ago. Do you think he just does that? And the fact that he does it. You know, some people are like. Like they don't want to do. Yeah, like, you know, like, I remember somebody asked Austin Butler to sing likes. Especially mine. It's like not using it. You know what I mean? Because it's like a weird thing to ask. The fact that he did it, remembered it, and also gave his energy to it. He.

[Moses Hacmon]

He didn't phone it in. Like, he really.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love him. I officially love him. I know that. I looked him up. What's name? Jason. Jason.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I looked him up and I was like, I love this. I love when people. Yeah. Are just like nostalgic and lean into it and just go for it. It was cute. How do you know Carter? Who's Carter?

[Moses Hacmon]

He's a tick tocker.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that. It's all just tick tockers at events. I love it. Influencers taking over.

[Moses Hacmon]

No one's coming for his questions, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I guess he got a viral with the shout out for rye.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who was a journalist and then a tick tocker.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, he worked. Well, he worked at UT with me, then he went to People and now he's a tick tocker.

[Trisha Paytas]

He should be at Vanity Fair.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're so right.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's so crazy. We were talking and I was like, I don't even know how got brought up. You said something about fright and I was like, oh, that's what it was, the name. Because I Was like, I always see his tick tocks. I mean, I'm gonna remember his name because I was gonna give him. I always reference his tick tocks. I'm always like, oh, my God, he's so funny. Like, the way he explains things. He's like, y' all are really mad. Like, he always is so funny. And he's always, like, laying down casual, whatever. And. And I always remember the name. Then he said, right? I was like, how do you know for. I guess it was like, oomphies. And I was like, I love him. So shout out Fry if you ever want to come on Hot Topics.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, he would love it. He's a key. He's messy, but he's.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I like, love. Because you know what it is, and this is. It's a. Such a talent is when you can be messy and just, like, likable. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

He has the charisma.

[Trisha Paytas]

Charisma. He could say anything.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, he is shady boots and controversial boots, but he gets away.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it. He was like, she's a fat pig, but she'd be so cute. And you know what? Work. Because, like, we love bacon. You know, like, he's like, that's. I love him so much. And then when he said he was, like, a journalist before, and then I was like, oh, my God. But we love. So I love these tiktokers doing things, basically. Although he was doing things before Tik Tok. I always think that's interesting when you have, like, a mainstream job. And I guess that's you. You became influencer. You know, you were access et. I mean, you're still there. But it is interesting because it's the way to go, you know? It's the way to go.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Sometimes you gotta be your own news outlet, your own Tik Tok.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it. I love. I love that guy, too. That Carter. He's. He's funny. He's a boy. He's young.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, I think he is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. It's hard to tell because when there's an extra, they look the same age. Oh, my God. That guy is. 48 is crazy. 48 is great. Wait, and so how old was he? He was 20 when he got casted.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. He lied about his age and said he was like a teenager, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know how I feel about that. I guess it's okay. I love him, but. Kind of weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, I think when you get hired and you have to show your, you know, they know. Eligible to work. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, his character was like annoying. Yeah. But that was kind of. He played it well, you know, it was convincing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Rico is Moises.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

In real life.

[Moses Hacmon]

The real little, little boy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Not anymore though. He's grown up too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Jake. The Jake Jake. He's cute. Her. The blonde guy next to her.

[Moses Hacmon]

Cody Lindley. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

What happened to him? He kind of fell off, I suppose.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I don't know what he's really been doing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like on the show. He was cute. Now he's cute.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love how hard he goes promoting Hannah Montana though. Like, he really is awesome. And Miley also gave him a shout out in the interview with Alex Cooper in the special because, like, she's like. It was a little love triangle. Was like, are you team Jake or team Jesse? And Alex Cooper asked her and she's like, I'm gonna say team Jake because he always talks nice about me. Interviews Jesse, haven't heard from him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, like the actors. Yeah. Who's Jesse? I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Jesse actually don't think he's been in much after Hannah Montana.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no, I know what he's doing. He got married. I did see someone on do a TikTok be like, what happened to this guy? He had the dark hair and he's like, he just got married and had a family.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, work. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he's just like in congratulations Anonymous world.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, but Cody Lindley is still. He's giving Miley her flowers anytime he can.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I love that. Why was she trying to kiss Jesse when she was with Jake?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think she said that Miley liked Jesse, but Hannah as Hannah, she would pick Farrell.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're the same person. That's the same brain. What do you mean? That's crazy. That sounds like a crazy person. Well, Miley likes you. It's like having the alter ego.

[Moses Hacmon]

She meant the character. Like the character for the character of Hannah would go with Jake. But like, as Miley Cyrus. Not Stuart. She herself liked Jesse because he was more of the bad boy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, in real life, yes. Not Miley Stewart.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, as her. That was like her own personal answer. Like as Miley Cyrus. She liked Jesse.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, but Miley Cyrus, Miley Stewart slash Hannah like Jake?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, well, she liked both, but she said she prefers Hannah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Messy. This show sounds messy.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love the little love triangle because

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw just a clip, and she's like, I really. I want to kiss you. He's like, what? You want to kiss her? And it's like, no, no, that's not what I meant.

[Moses Hacmon]

The girls, me, we're eating it up, mama. We loved a little love triangle. Loved it.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so funny. I can't even think of, like, a love triangle I liked. I don't think so. I never was into it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Jacob and Edward, I guess when I

[Trisha Paytas]

was 32, when I watched that movie, trying to think, like, as a kid, what shaped my puberty, adolescence. I don't know if there was ever love triangles. I don't know. I don't have a Hannah Montana. I guess my Hannah Montana, you know what it was, was Debbie Moore and Striptease. I remember she. She. She had it all. She was like. Had a banging body, and she wore those Hawaiian shirts, and she had Burt Reynolds. Burt Reynolds liked her, actually. Debbie Warren. Every movie. Robert Redford paid her a million dollars. Have sex with her. But she was also married to Woody Harrelson. She was like, that was my inspo. I was like, I want to be this girl.

[Moses Hacmon]

Explains a lot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, literally. I'm trying to think of, like, a kid show that I watch that would have shaped me, I guess, like Saved by the Bell. But, like, that's only shaped me, I guess. I want to come to California. I don't know. I don't think I had a Hannah Montana. I watched Lizzie, but I was like, her age. I was like, 15, so I was like a little kid. You were like, how old watching this? Like, 8, 10.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was an eighth grade when it came out. Oh, so 11 or 12.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you're Miley's age then.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, and she was like, 12. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

She started when she was 11, so I think I must have been 11 too.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know what I was watching. I don't know. Do you know what you're watching at 11 years old? You never tell me about TV shows you watch as a kid.

[Darian]

It was mostly, like, nature shows and stuff like.

[Moses Hacmon]

That also explains a lot.

[Trisha Paytas]

The whales on the shirt. I like Those. Okay, you're watching nature shows.

[Darian]

Yeah, well, we didn't have that many stations. This is before cable tv, so mostly like, educational tv, you know, like, the. Those channels. So it's mostly educational stuff. But I would love. But I would love watching it just to get educated.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, that's crazy. But I love that. All right, Hannah Montana, nature, striptease.

[Moses Hacmon]

Did you see at the premiere, Miley go on a tangent calling Alex Cooper creepy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did. I did. Everyone's like, she's jokingly saying this. I'm like, this one's a little real. It was because they live next door to each other.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. She's like, alex Cooper, she's a little creepy. She's a super fan. She was forgetting the lyrics. But she loved Hannah Montana. She ended up moving right next to me. She's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Creepy is a crazy word because I feel like, okay, when you're drinking, like, ah, babe.

[Darian]

Like, what's that said? She said she ran into her. It's like, oh, you live here. It's like, don't play around. You interviewed me in this house five years ago, interviewing her five years ago. Next thing you know, she moved next to me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I wonder if that's true, because that's a little crazy when something. You live here. I bet that happened before. Oh, I didn't know. What do you mean, you didn't know? Like, yes, you did. Like, what do you mean? Like, that's why you're here. Like, people go on walks, Pat. And like, I didn't know.

[Darian]

You know, also, when you buy a house in neighborhoods with celebrities, the agents, first thing they tell you, like, oh, this person lives here, that person lives there. You'll be nice.

[Trisha Paytas]

Remember when we got this house, it wasn't even our agent put our picture on his flyer. He. I think it was the agent of the people of the house, and he's like, sold this house to these people.

[Darian]

Wasn't even our agent without pictures on it on their flyers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because we got it in our mailbox. Like one of those free flyers you get. And we're like, what the hell?

[Darian]

They like, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, that's when we got the people walking by, like, you live here. It's like, we. We know we're on that free flyer. Like, that's so. Yeah, they definitely will tell. No, Miley Cyrus, they don't live there anymore. But Gigi Gorgeous lived in Miley Cyrus old house.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I remember that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because if people would, like, buzz, it would still be, like, Miley Cyrus's, like, name on the Buzz thing. And they would like pick. Is Miley here? And. Yeah, so she lives in a little bit of. That's kind of cool. I like that little bit of history. I know she was engaged.

[Moses Hacmon]

Miley. Yeah. She's pretty low key, but I think randomly it was the Avatar Fire and Ash premiere is when she wore her engagement ring. So that was December or November. So it's been a few months.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I love that for her. Yeah, she looks happy. She looks good. I liked her outfit.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I love that she's like really embodying Hannah Montana. Like, it's so curious. But also like, Hannah Montana is like Hannah Montana style is weirdly in trend right now anyway, so everyone.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, the Y2K.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it just like fits perfectly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Best and worst dressed of the Hannah Montana carpet.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, you know who my best is.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're aligned. Actually. When Moses texted next morning, I was gonna tell him me and Oscar were texting. The moment she hit the red carpet, Moses texted in the group chat and we're like, oh, yeah. Gagged. And then like. But like the moment she hit it the night before, Oscar and I were texting about it, how good she looked. And we were.

[Moses Hacmon]

And that woman is Mikayla Nogueira. Yup. She ate that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, she ate that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Even just her going through the outfit options we were going through, we were like analyzing which outfit, what outfit she's gonna choose.

[Trisha Paytas]

The one at the end of that one. I was like, girl, no.

[Moses Hacmon]

All of them seem diabolical.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

But you know that girl knows how to make a video. Let me tell you. Cause she got me. I was concerned.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was too. She had like little pleather boots which didn't look bad. On was like these like thigh high, like leather boots. I was like, no, girl with like a blue paisley dress. I was like, no.

[Moses Hacmon]

But she took pieces and she turned it out.

[Trisha Paytas]

And all of you that are hating are so mad that she looks good. So I'm just gonna call it out. I've seen so many British and fry call it out too. But it's true. So many mean as bully tiktoks being like, she doesn't look good. She look good. She looked good. Like, I don't know, her body was eating her makeup, her hair, her esthetic, the lime green, like everything about it. The Louis Vuitton, like, she was the interviews on the red carpet. I've seen more charisma and personality in her than any influencer in the past 20 years.

[Moses Hacmon]

And let me tell you who was ET's best tick tock. Michaela. Yeah. I'm so glad we got. We got Daddy director. I said, sister, when you see this woman, calm down that carpet. I don't care if you're talking to Miley. You get.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's so good. He acts like. He's like. You would think he's the biggest Michaela fan, the way he, like, he just has conversation with her. It was so also messy booze and also her being messy boots back. He's like, I heard you have a boyfriend. I wish I had my phone so I could show you. Like, where is he? I was just like. Like, the banter was amazing. She's so good. I literally, like, DM'd her. I. I put it on thing. I'm like, girl, come on the pod. You're in la. Like, come on. And I know the goofy goobers follow me. Michaela follows me. They were all in town. They were all in town. They took pictures with Tana. One of the goofy goobers was with Tana and be like, say bleach and. Oh, she said. You know, she said. She. She's taking a picture of Tana and she's like, do you need a bleach and tone? And then Tana's like, you know what? I do like. It was so. They looked like they were having such a key, and I am. I was jealous to miss her. She was best dressed by far. The wig ate everything. Eight people were trying to come for her makeup. From everything. I'm like, no, I live flawless.

[Moses Hacmon]

I lived. Like, seeing her brought such a smile, like, not even just to my face, to my soul.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I felt so much joy seeing her. I was like, this is fierce. Especially because she's one who's very selective about her carpet.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's a hard guest to book. So the fact that she. She could come from wherever. Where is she from again?

[Trisha Paytas]

Boston.

[Moses Hacmon]

Boston. But Emily Osman couldn't come down the street. Crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Literally down the street.

[Moses Hacmon]

Down the street.

[Trisha Paytas]

We know where they film. We've been there in the Warner Brothers lot. You could have hopped on over and gone right back after lunch, you know, that is the tea. She looked so good. And the interviews. Interviews a lot, but she's a great interviewer. I was like, honestly, you're amazing. And she gives such a good interview. I DM'd her. I messaged her. I was like, girl, we don't talk about any drama. Just come. Just sit here. You're so funny.

[Moses Hacmon]

I smell that perfume for 90 minutes.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have it. Give me that sniff. POV. Whatever else you're selling. I'm buying telescopic L' Oreal mascara. She was so good. I watched the goofy goobers take off her wig. She took down the goofy goober's hair. Like it was just. It was such. I wish I would have gone just for that reason.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know it was a key. Paige is also such a Michaela superfan. So the second I saw Michaela tease her outfit, I said, paige, if you don't get a photo with her tonight, don't get one. She sure did. That was her number one on her list. And she got it and looked sickening.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I saw. Yeah, I saw Michaela take one with Tana. I didn't see the one with Paige, but she's.

[Moses Hacmon]

Harry Daniels sang to Michaela as well.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did see that a little.

[Moses Hacmon]

Gracie Abrams.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. For some reason I love Harry Daniels being there. Harry Nose is at every carpet. I don't know either. He's always like there at the end. I remember the Elvis one. He's like there right at the end where like everyone. Baz and Austin and all of a sudden it's like, like. It's like wild to see him.

[Darian]

He's a different kind of paparazzi.

[Trisha Paytas]

He is. He's like a likable one that people are gagged to see because he's also. Ah, they looked. They looked amazing. So many people. I loved Quinn's backflips that she was doing her little back bend. I love that. I always think that is fun too because I would see videos of everyone just like being so serious on a red carpet. And I love when they're fun and a key.

[Moses Hacmon]

This carpet was just wild. It was a good time. It was for the good time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Girls, you know, everybody was there. Tana looked good. Tana Montana, I love that. That's so good. She has a great name that's can go with anything. She looked amazing. Who else was there that was like. Not a lot of boys.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, not a lot of boys. A lot of some gays, though. But yeah, it was. I feel like it was very much for the girls.

[Trisha Paytas]

For the girls.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was very girly.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't see a lot of gays. What gays were there?

[Moses Hacmon]

God. I mean, Carter. God. There's another one I follow and I forget his name, but I loved his outfit because he wore like a vintage Miley shirt with like all denim.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ah, that's a good one.

[Moses Hacmon]

And there was another gay that I follow who like cosplayed. There's like one specific Hannah Montana episode where she parodied like the swan. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who was a bishop warrior. Yes. I saw a couple swans.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love those.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't get the reference, but I like that now that you say that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. Like, now again, relieved I didn't go because I don't know what that I would have looked basic in comparison. I don't know what I would say.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think those. You have to, like, prep and you have to know. You probably could have killed it because, you know the vibes. I would have been like, I have no idea.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know the vibes. But, like, I would dress as if I'm Tara. Yummy size. You know what I mean? It's like. Like, how do I adjust that for

[Trisha Paytas]

like, someone who's gagged to be there, too? Everyone was so gagged to be there. She said she got a YouTube jacket and said, started in 2012. So, like, how old would she have been? 2012 is so long ago. Was she 8 when she started like that? So that was crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

She was born in 2000, so she was 12.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Darian]

A lot of people started in high school.

[Trisha Paytas]

High school, but 12's middle school. I don't think that's legal to start YouTube. I think it should be 13 start a YouTube channel. Unless you had her gets her parents started it for. That's crazy. 12 years old she started. I can't even imagine. We should start one for. We should start a one for Aquaman so he could be like the longest because he started at zero. Be like, this is Aquaman's. I do find it weird. I mean, we obviously post our children online, but you find it weird when people make accounts for their kids, like Instagram run by this. I'm like, well, you don't need of lot a full Instagram.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. When it's especially. I get it if it's like a child star or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's like, you know, I think that happened with, like, a lot of the Stranger Things kids. It was like, ran by my mom or whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's funny. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

But yeah, it is funny. And then they. They caption as if they're them. Oh, do they also, like. I see that for dogs and stuff too.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's cute. Because dogs don't can't talk.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But kids become adults.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Don't really. They never can talk.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do they even have brains? You could say.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. How come forget that one? I feel like that was a classic. People forget that one a lot.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess the first time I was rage baited. I Think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do dogs have brains?

[Moses Hacmon]

I remember being so rage baited.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, yeah, they do, dummy. Everybody was. I know. Going through my memoir. I remember we were going through all these moments, and I'm like, God, I do remember that being so. Like, people were pissed. People were so pissed. And I'm like, this. Obviously, to me, that was so obvious. The troll.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think you were just very early on in the days of trolling and rage. Like, rage baiting wasn't even a term.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, trolling.

[Moses Hacmon]

So you were just too ahead of the curve wherever. Like, I believed you. I was also like, back then, people didn't know.

[Darian]

They're like, if it's online, it must be true.

[Moses Hacmon]

Literally, very.

[Darian]

That somebody is talking this on my screen. Must be true.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. Remember Lonely Girl 15? She was like, the first, like, troll, so everyone thought she was, like, a real person.

[Moses Hacmon]

I believe her too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Well, that one looked very. She was very convincing. I like that. The art of deceiving everyone. I was thinking about Jenna Marbles. I'm like, I wonder if she was, like, a real person or if that was just like, a character that was a good. Like, was that really her? Like, I met her in real life, obviously, once, and I was like, oh, she was, like, so sweet. But I'm like, do you think that was, like, who she was at her core? Maybe not. Because she, like, left the Internet. Like, I hate this. I'm over it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like towards the end, when her videos got more, like, relaxed especially, I feel like that must have been kind of authentically her.

[Trisha Paytas]

She feels authentic to me. I just don't know, you know? Cause all these things, you're just like, God, what if that all was, like, a big. Because she started with Barstool. So I was like, maybe Barstool. Same thing with Daily Great. Well, it was called Daily Grace. No, Grace. Hellbig.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was she Daily Grace at Barstool or after?

[Moses Hacmon]

I actually don't know. I honestly didn't know about Barstool until I started this program. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, really?

[Moses Hacmon]

I had no idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

I always knew. I never knew what it was. But I remember Jenna Marbles. Everyone's like, she would make videos for Barstool and she'd be always like, bikini hot. And I was like, oh, she started with Barstool. And I was like, I've always heard of it. Didn't know, like, date porno or anything like that. But I. And then I remembered Grace. I think she couldn't get the name Daily Grace, so she changed it to I don't know why she changed to something else. Or maybe she couldn't have that because they. She left, so she had to change it to something else. But I always just wondered if someone created those characters or if they just brought themselves to it. You know what I mean? Like, Jenna's like, I'm gonna be the sport hot sports frat girl. You know, I feel like.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, obviously, I don't know for sure, but the sense that I got is that it is kind of just there, like a heightened version of themselves or whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Barstool kind of fell off because they used to create all those superstars call her daddy, and now they just don't have anyone. Right. I feel like Dave tries to go around all these, like, random podcasts he does with them, and it just doesn't work. He's. I wouldn't say he's great. I guess he's like, likable and, like, watchable Dave, but everyone else he creates now is boring. I don't even know anyone on there.

[Moses Hacmon]

I really don't know anything about Barstool,

[Trisha Paytas]

but I just see the little stool behind them in every podcast setting. It's like a blue with a circle and a store.

[Moses Hacmon]

Sometimes on Twitter, I'll see, like, someone instead of a check mark. Well, they have a check mark, but then also a little bar stool next to them. So, you know, chicks in the office. Are they. Are they Barstool?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

They might be barstool because I watched a clip of them with Demi, Demi Lovato. Went back recently, and I think I saw Barstool behind them. So I think.

[Darian]

I think Frankie Taylor.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was just gonna say that.

[Darian]

Gonna get a podcaster.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I thought. I thought Barstool discovered her. I was gonna be gagged. I was like, wait, her too?

[Trisha Paytas]

I was gonna say that too. She's that meme with her in the barstool.

[Darian]

Oh, I didn't even put that together.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's all I kept saying when he kept saying Barstool, and I was, who's

[Darian]

the face of Barstool?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. I. Okay, I saw. Oh, yeah, Even think about that.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

She could have a podcast with them for sure. That'd be so funny. Yeah, they know. I don't know what they're doing. Nothing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, I guess speaking of podcast, Jesse Draper. Back to Mormon Wives. Damn. At least thank God we got into Mormon Wives. Like, when we did, I suppose. Cuz now, like, if we didn't know anything about them and they dominated the news cycle for the Whole month of March. Like, we really out of the loop.

[Trisha Paytas]

Some people appreciate half the audience. Do have the audience, like, we're over it. So we could do a little time stamp right here. We won't go longer. We won't go.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, there's 25 minutes. But.

[Trisha Paytas]

But speaking of rage baiting and Mormonize, before you get into it, did you see the clip of. And I think he's just. I think he's just the ultimate rage waiter. And like, I just need to stop talking about him. But Nick Vile.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, we're talking about the Bachelorette.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Where he's like, how did she. Why did they even go with her? How would she even get on the Bachelorette? And it cuts to him being like. So I told him the Bachelor was my idea. Like, are you a rage baiter? Are you just dumb?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think he's rage baiting. He has to be.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And everyone talks about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Also, he was in the news when Taylor, after the Bachelorette was canceled, was like saying, nick Vile is always going to be my guy. So who said that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Taylor Frank.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

When did she say that?

[Moses Hacmon]

She commented on a random video of Nick Vile and said, nick Vile, that's. He's always going to be my guy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Instantly. Unfollow. Not kidding. I'm unfollowing her. That's crazy. I'm sorry. If a female. Absolutely. What do you mean? He is actually the worst. That's so insane. I do not. That's a male centered woman right there. And that's it. I'm done. I'm over the Taylor. Frankie, Paul.

[Darian]

She's been on their podcast.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Yeah.

[Darian]

Why? So, yeah, so she obviously has goof.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, it's one thing to go on the podcast and be like, that's my guy, girl, you are male centered and you need to stop. Which everyone was saying. I was like, no, no, she's not. She not done. You like Nick Vi's your guy. Absolutely not. I'm unstanning immediately. That's.

[Darian]

I mean, I was her guy. That was enough. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. He is awful too. I don't like anything I find out about him. Okay. So, yes, call her daddy Jesse. Which is crazy. Right after the podcast, I was like, oh, my God. I was like, what? Did you know she was gonna be on this week?

[Moses Hacmon]

I knew there was rumors that the. The reason why Jordan, her now estranged husband, filed for divorce so randomly and quickly was because she was scheduled to go and call her daddy and give her side of the story and the

[Trisha Paytas]

restraining order he tried to get.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then he tried.

[Moses Hacmon]

Jordan tried to get a restraining. A temporary restraining order against Jesse and I. I think that was also part to like, make her look crazy and as if she's the troubled one in the relationship.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I hate this guy. He might be the worst. I don't know. I need to call her daddy. With every Mormon wife, I need to figure out who is the worst because they are all.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, we need, like a tier list.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're awful. I am so glad I called them all ugly and musty two months ago. Everyone's like, that's so mean. But it's like, they are so awful. Like, the more this interview made me, like, hate this person so much. Like, how can you do that to someone that you have kids with that you've been in a marriage with? Like, how are you so, so evil? Like death dog?

[Darian]

I made this buttons for you guys so if you ever encounter them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no.

[Moses Hacmon]

What's it say?

[Trisha Paytas]

Moses loves to do custom buttons. He does these for. I love that. That's so fun to go to bed. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. One, two, Computer.

[Trisha Paytas]

Make these guys super gay and horny. Make these guys super gay and horny.

[Darian]

What? Who shares the microphone say, make them horny.

[Trisha Paytas]

What does that say? You know it? Or you just.

[Darian]

You know. Because it's a simulation. Like, if you.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is a simulation.

[Darian]

You just talk to the computer in public. If you ever have a problem with a straight guy, you can just push that button.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know where he comes up with these. Okay, I'm super gay and horny.

[Darian]

I did see, but maybe they're already so. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did see a fan fiction of Jesse holding Dakota. It's like Jesse and Dakota up in the. Jordan. Sorry, Jordan. Not Jesse. Jordan and Dakota. And like, oh, it was Brokeback Mountain and it was their faces on them just like holding each other. And I was like, it is giving Hunchback. Hunchback Mountain. By the way, Brian, Jordan Alvarez has been using that sound like three times. He's using it like multiple times. And I'm so confused.

[Darian]

It's such a good sound, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it?

[Darian]

I don't know if it is. It's a good sound.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Darian]

I love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hunchback sounds. I love when people use them. I love when people find sounds that you're just like, I don't get this. I really don't get it, but I love it. Well, they're Hunchback Mountain together. Went crazy. Do you think people would, like, sympathize with them, though? If they're like, yeah, we were gay and we were just like, hiding, you know, probably.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe that could be the only thing that saves them. Truly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I even. That would be a stretch even.

[Darian]

But then it's even more of a deception.

[Moses Hacmon]

True.

[Darian]

Towards their partners.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sometimes they don't know or they have to hide it. It's not really a deception. Sometimes they don't know or they. They think they're not. Especially Mormons. Like, they.

[Darian]

No, but you're saying if they were, you know, him in the court, like, if there was things happen that point, you know, and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but that's why. Maybe that's why. Because, you know, they can't be gay in the Mormon Church. Like, they don't accept gays. So maybe they're just like, you know, they were, like, fighting that, like, speculating. But I just. I just know a lot of people. Yeah. That can't. They, like. We had to leave the Mormon Church because, like, I think David Archlotto talks about it, and I think his mom left the Mormon Church. Yeah, same reason. Because they were just like, gay is not okay. Which is.

[Darian]

I saw a tick tock that a lot of the friction. Everything that's happening is because the men basically marry these women, tell them, you know, the young age, early 20s, we're gonna get married. You're gonna be home, you're gonna raise the kids. I'm gonna go work. And then all these women became super successful and the breadwinners. And now the husbands are, like, completely lost. Don't know what to do with themselves and how to deal with this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Darian]

Because now the wives are the one running the show. The stars.

[Trisha Paytas]

And they're so mad. Everyone's so mad.

[Darian]

And so that's what kind of like throws their. All them into this loop that they don't even know how to handle.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. The opposite of masculine is whatever they are. They're so weak and insecure. They really are just the way they are. This, this Jordan, too. How old is he? He looks old, huh?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think he's 30.

[Trisha Paytas]

He looks so crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's 31.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. He looks like he's like 50.

[Moses Hacmon]

Jason Earl looks.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's giving Jason Earl's tea. He's 31. Oh, my God. Okay. I hate him anyways. All right, call her daddy. Alex is seated for this. She's the fan. She's a super fan. I love that she's. I feel like she's a woman.

[Moses Hacmon]

You can't really clock her interview skills on this one because she was locked in she had follow up. She was, I, I think genuinely inquisitive about what the hell is going on. Because this filmed last week and she did have to give the disclaimer like if any developments come. We filmed it on March 20th. Oh, that's so funny because I mean it is updating constantly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Jesse followed me. I was so excited. Well, she had like already followed me because I went to go look her up and said follow back.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I was like, that's so fierce.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I was like, girl, I wish, I wish I would have gotten in on this all sooner.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. It's so popular now. And I'm like, damn, I could have gotten into all of this sooner. I need to know the team. We were so close to being Layla a couple weeks ago. Damn.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is really the curse of just trash.

[Trisha Paytas]

Any Mormon wives. Please feel free to come on.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, for real. I mean, at this point we'll take the. The supporting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that the one who was with Dakota?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I need to know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Questions.

[Trisha Paytas]

I need to know.

[Moses Hacmon]

But Jesse went on Call her daddy and did confirm the rumors that Jordan was using escort services. I guess I should still say allegedly. Jesse claims allegedly that Jordan was using an escort service. And this was before season one premiered. So before the fame and before she kissed another man on the show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, because I didn't know that. What season is that?

[Moses Hacmon]

So that happened. Season two, I believe she kissed Marciano in the villa. And this villa, I know the villa is a source of all evil.

[Darian]

You got like, make sure I'm going anymore for Patreon.

[Trisha Paytas]

She gets them on camera too.

[Moses Hacmon]

I. I don't know if it was on camera because I haven't got there yet. I did start season one, but she Dick is Marciano. She admits to kissing Marciano, but that's it. Okay, but so this was before all that. So he, Jordan allegedly hired like an escort service and the escort service like, like ended up giving Jesse like all these receipts. Cuz then they found out who she was when the show premiered. They. It was in the middle of them doing like a press tour for the shows when she found out about it. So yeah, the escort went directly to Jesse and gave her like all these receipts.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. What were the receipts?

[Moses Hacmon]

It was him like messages between the two. And also like had his phone number because that he used to join the website or whatever. And then also like it was in Texas when. During the time period when Jordan was traveling for work because he was still working at the time. So Jesse's Like, I, I can pretty much verify that this is true because it was before the show. Like, how would you even have his number?

[Trisha Paytas]

How would you know where he was?

[Moses Hacmon]

So it all kind of aligned.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then she also said that and this is still, like, alleged because she has no proof of this, but she claims that is. It seems Jordan was going to sex parties and orgy parties when she had just given birth to her daughter because someone had come up to her sister and asked, like, are Jesse and Jordan still married? Because I'm seeing him at these parties.

[Trisha Paytas]

So hate him.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She should have done more than kiss Marciano. She's done a lot more than that. That's so gross.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Especially when your wife just get you out of me. I don't know what's happening you to all these sex parties. I know so many adults and I don't know anyone who's been to a sex party. Like, I, I, I, I've never been to a sex party.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's wild. Yeah. I think again, it probably has something to do with, like, you are told so much stuff is wrong. Like a lot of, you know, drinking and sex.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

All this stuff. So you are banned from it for so long that, like, once you're an adult and have access to it, maybe

[Trisha Paytas]

you get a little, like, sex parties. I get having, like, an affair, I guess. I don't know. Like, I guess I could understand. But, like, sex parties is wild.

[Moses Hacmon]

They do be swinging.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like a. How you just go to house. Everyone's having sex.

[Moses Hacmon]

Sex.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that what's happening? Like, I'm so. I actually don't know. Have you been to one? You've been bath house, but it's different. Sex party. You get invites. How does it work?

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess technically I did go to one once when I really liked a guy and he invited me over and. But it was like a part. Like, I went specifically to, like, see him, but he was hosting a sex party. So I did get, like, bamboozled.

[Trisha Paytas]

So what happened there?

[Moses Hacmon]

I went specifically. God, I was big too. I was. It was like a bear gathering.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was all fat people.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or, or chasers. It was both. It was like a mix because the guy I like was a chaser, so

[Trisha Paytas]

there was so many chasers. It's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then when it's like you and a bunch of biggies fighting for one chaser. Damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. No, you see like a list of their exes and you're just like, oh, it's very humbling. I see what this is.

[Moses Hacmon]

Very humbling is That a bad thing? No, but I think we talked about it before. Like, the fat blindness. I definitely did have that. And then you do realize when you're surrounded by other fatties trying to get the attention of one, like, fake guy, you're like, oh, yeah, we're all fatties together. You know, we were all in it together.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wonder if that's where Jordan. Maybe that'd be crazy because, like, what is happening up there?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, it's wild. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

The soft swinging of it all. Like, all of it is just, like. Because when I watch, I see a clip of Taylor talking about the soft swinging, and she, like, you were there. We were making out. We were on top of each other. I was like, what is going on, chick? There was four husbands and just us two wives. Like, what is happening? It's so weird. I don't know. No judgment, but I've never done that. Like, I've never been to that. And I'm like, I feel like I've done everything. And I was like, that is so odd. And how do you host them? I guess it's just people, like you said, maybe, like, a little repressed up there, and they're just looking for,

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know, a little sucking, maybe.

[Trisha Paytas]

But more than soaking, I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So, yeah, Jesse did talk about that, and then also, like, the emotional manipulation, how he would, like, isolate her. And he also, like, when he filed for divorce, he used her cheating, which was her kissing Marciano, but she was holding. Protecting him with the truth about him using escort services and him being, like, unfaithful, allegedly. Like, she protected him and shielded him from that. But she could have gone when he was smearing her name and making her feel bad for kissing someone else.

[Darian]

She.

[Moses Hacmon]

She could have been throwing him under the bus.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was just talking about when she said he had all the text that he was going to expose on Tick Tock. If she. When she did something wrong, he's gonna post it. So what were the texts between her and Marciano?

[Moses Hacmon]

The. Well, that was specifically, I think, too. She talked about, like, Harry Jowsey.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, she.

[Moses Hacmon]

He would hack her Instagram.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's right. The audio messages. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, he would hack her Instagram.

[Trisha Paytas]

Harry Jowsey at the scene of the crime.

[Moses Hacmon]

All the crime. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's like, oh, you know when they're talking. When Jesse was talking to Alex where she was just like, you know how Harry is. I was like, first of all, I'd be weird, too, if someone's. If hired. Jazzy texted, Moses, you naughty little Possum. I'd be like, what is happening?

[Moses Hacmon]

I would text a voice memo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. I think I might question it. I think I might be like, you

[Moses Hacmon]

know, that is so funny. Yeah. Darian found out I got a voice memo from Ted Nivison calling me a naughty little possum. I would be in trouble.

[Darian]

But, you know, we're in Hollywood. It's AI people. They try to break us up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not if it's Harry Jowsey. Harry, stop teasing people.

[Darian]

That. That's what he told her.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Jordan was telling.

[Darian]

He was trying to gaslight her.

[Trisha Paytas]

What did he say?

[Darian]

That all the messages from, you know, the escort company and the other people, he's like. He was saying, like, it's all AI. This is, like, the new phase that for everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's actually so smart. All my past videos that I hate. Like, it's AI guys. It's not me. That is. Oh, my God. That's actually so smart. I give him some credit. I guess that's. Why did she believe him?

[Moses Hacmon]

She did at first.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses Hacmon]

And then a little bit at first. And then she ended up being, like, there was too much evidence.

[Darian]

But him in general, he was gaslighting her. And she said that for the last four years.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Darian]

Like, every time she would try to break up with him until, like, you haven't healed yet. You don't love yourself. You can't like things of that nature. I'm like, oh, that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I hate him bad. I hate him. He's the worst. Yeah, you're ugly. Like, you're actually physically ugly, I suppose. Dakota has an argument he's like, like, somewhat attractive with his hair transplant. And then maybe Zac Affleck. I, I, maybe. Maybe. I guess some people, but this one is ugly. Like, looks like a little leprechaun Diabolical Smurf. Evil. Not to be nice, but I am. And also, just, like, threatening somebody. Especially again, when you have, like, kids.

[Moses Hacmon]

And that was the big thing, too. Like, he. When he would, like, gaslight Jesse and get, like, a rise out of her and she would start to react, he would get out his phone and start recording her because Jordan is very close with Dakota, so. Dakota and him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I think Jordan was learning from Dakota. Like, oh, record her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's right.

[Moses Hacmon]

Have something.

[Trisha Paytas]

That part made me so sick where she's like. Because she's like, what was the moment that you knew you gotta file for divorce and shake. As soon as he started, like, filming me and being like, oh, what are you doing? What is this? I do think that is when the marriage is over. I think when you start filming each other, I think that's. Yeah, it's, like, over. And good for her, honestly, Good for her, because she's like, what am I doing chasing him around, like, giving him this thing? Like. Like. And she just left. And. Yeah. I think that's actually so sad, though, because she's like, you know, we have kids and, like, the house. He, like, said she could stay in the guest room and the house that I paid for. Men have the audacity. They really do.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. And that's, again, why I get hard on Taylor. And I know because Jesse also is a victim of, like, basically emotional.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, she said that.

[Moses Hacmon]

So not to the lengths of Taylor, as far as we know, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

But maybe. Maybe she's still protecting him because they have kids and she knows the kids will see it one day. They're young. But yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Taylor, obviously, Dakota is, like, manipulative, abusive towards her. It's, like, so obvious. Even without everything that's come out, just seeing it on the show, like, it's emotionally abusive.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But it's just been, like. There's so many incidents, and it's been so many years that I'm like. And also she. Taylor, has, like, the awareness that it's toxic, that it's chaotic, that it's not good for her, that she pokes at him and that everything he does is to get a rise out of her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And to isolate her and try to, like, derail her life. And it's just like, why can't you get out of it? And I know it's so hard for some people. Like, obviously she has some kind of, like, issues and has struggled with sobriety and stuff before. But it's like, you have so many resources, and you see it, like, on TV back, and I'm just like, I just want you to, like, leave this man.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. And, like, yeah. When the other kids are, like, involved, you're like, okay. You know, you see, okay, one incident happened with your child, like, never again. Like, why would you. You just can't. That's that. That's. That's just bad parenting at that point. And that's why with Jesse, I was like, you know what? I'm glad that she just left and was like, I just can't do it anymore. And she's. And she said. She said, I didn't want the kids to know he filed for tmz. She goes, I. You know, they don't even know yet. And so it's all out there. Obviously, they're three and six, so they, like, don't read, like, the Internet, but, like.

[Darian]

But he has a 13 year old.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, he does.

[Darian]

She said that they. They agreed to file together so they can tell the kids. And then he went behind her back and filed separately and told them tmz. So she found out from tmz.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, my rage.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

It would. It would. These men, I just. Are they just so awful? And so it's just like, they're just bad people. Like, awful people, awful parents. Because you have kids and you're just like, you're letting this one day it all play out the way you both are. Messy. Everything could have been protected. You could have protected her. She could have protected you. Like, people don't have to know the full scope. You could say infidelity, you could say whatever. But, like, now that it's getting, like, messy, and I still think she's protecting him a little bit because she said, yeah. She goes, it does get emotionally abusive. Like, it probably could be just as bad as, like, we've seen Dakota. You know, they're just not as messy about it. But I have a feeling that I feel like she's still probably trying because for the sake of her kids, like a normal parent want.

[Moses Hacmon]

And it's so funny because, like, you, they could have it so easy because their wives are like the breadwinners. And, like, they could just take care of their kids. Have hobbies like play golf, whatever. And have it so easy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And never have to worry about, like, working or, like, money or anything and just, like, be a good guy a la Connor.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. It's the opposite. It's like they want to sabotage.

[Moses Hacmon]

Exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's like, that makes no sense. Like, it's. It's. I. I would be like, you know, if. If it flipped and like, Moses want to be like, influencers like that. Like, I would be so supportive if there was opportunity. If I always think he's gonna get, like, a movie, I think Moses and the commandments, I would instantly be like, okay, we're going to flip, and I'll be with the Kids and stuff like that. Like, instantly. Because you just go where, like, things are happening and things are moving and stuff like that. Like, they just don't know how. And to me, that's like the weakest thing. I think sometimes they think they're like Demascules because, like, the woman is like the star. But it's like you actually look weaker when you try and like bring her down. Because it's like, oh, your husband is a piece of shit. Like, he can't take it. And meanwhile their jobs, I mean, it was a. You know, they're not doing what these girls are doing. And they're at the fame. The level of fame the Mormon wives are at right now is actually so insane. Like more popular than housewives is obviously more popular than any influencer. Taylor, Frankie Paul set herself at the Oscars. She know, like reality TV person has been like invited to the Oscars. Like Whitney selling out. Like, they're at the height. Jen Affleck getting a spin off, like, boring. But like, she got it. And it's like, who else is getting that? Like, it's kind of insane. Like they're really. The books, the deals they get is. Is wild. And now even Jesse. I wasn't too familiar with Jesse and Jordan, but like, she's on Clara. Daddy's the great thing. It's just like, you know, this level of success is not coming to you guys, you know. What's this guy's name? Jordan? What'd he do? What's his job?

[Moses Hacmon]

He was like a salesman of some kind because he was traveling and selling something. He was. Yeah. I don't even know what he was

[Trisha Paytas]

selling, but something I'm not buying. Sounds awful. I saw Whitney and Connor listed their house for sale in Utah. Yeah. Did you see my. The biggest gag to me was $899,000 for a house. I know, a four bedroom big house. We're moving to Provo or wherever. They're from Salt Lake. Where are they from?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think Provo is. Yeah, I think Provo is the town that they live.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, Provo.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, interest.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is such a specific town because that's like Osmond land. So it's like so weird that they live. Anyways, Orem, Utah is the other big one. But houses, they bought it last year. They're actually taking a hit.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, right. Because they're listing it for 899, but they bought it for 913. I was so invested. You know, we're on our Zillow era right now.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I was Thinking about that too. I was like, damn knife. Yeah, they bought it. 913. They're taking a little bit of a hit. I guess they're just like, let's get rid of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

They just bought it last year.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Then they're never gonna go back. They're like, why?

[Moses Hacmon]

There's no family there with Utah, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so wild. You're just, like, moving to New York. They're living the life. They must be living that bougie life because they have a private chef. And I'm like, you're fancy. I think when someone has a private chef. I remember Joey Griff had a private chef, and I was like, he did?

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't even know that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. They would drop off food, I think, every, like, three days, two days.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're right.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like, oh, yeah, the chef made this for me. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

And he would have all his, like, portions, like, out front. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And they had cookies. Sometimes they'd have, like, fresh cookies. He's like, the chef made them this. Like, love that. If you have a chef, you're boozy. Not even Shane had a chef. I don't even think David. I mean, when I knew David, he didn't have a chef. Like, that's. That's booze. That's fancy. And Whitney, Chef is always posting meals and always looks so good. And I was like, oh, I love that. I mean, I have a chef, too, but different chef.

[Moses Hacmon]

And also, we'll end on a. We'll do TFP rapid fire. So the. There was a new investigation by NBC News that outlined a good timeline of everything that they know so far of the incidents is, I suppose. Okay, so incident one was February 2023. That's where the video came from. And it was also in season one of Mormon Wives, a new one that I don't think was public information yet. Incident two, it was in 2024. Exact date is currently unknown, but it's the least documented of the three. So all we know is that Dakota reported an incident in 2024, so that was, like, a new one that surfaced recently. And then incident number three is the one that caused them to pause filming, and that was February 24th to February 25th. And it was a confrontation between the two. Claims were made on both sides, but Dakota was the one that filed for the protective order and temporary custody.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Which he was granted.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. And the investigation is still open, though, and we'll see. Taylor has kind of hinted that she has her side of the story that she'll be posting I'm sure as soon as we wrap filming, Taylor will have.

[Trisha Paytas]

Next Monday, we'll give you an update.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, she'll have a slew of videos at some point, so we'll see what happens.

[Trisha Paytas]

But it's, you know, and I hope so. I mean, obviously, it's all sad. And I, like, I think it's like, it's so. It's so fresh. Like, it happened, like, a month ago. Like, this is all, like, so fresh. It's three consecutive years in a row they have a child. Like, it's all so sad, but, like, like, you know, it. It, like you kind of said earlier, like, with, like, Jesse and Jordan, it's like, you know, everything has to be alleged because there's, like, no proof. But if there's, like, proof, you know, people. People see it. I think people already see the toxicity on both sides. But if it's like a physical thing, I think physical is so. Not to say it's like, worse, but, like, maybe it becomes like an assault. It becomes like a charge, you know, if you're like a physical abusive person as opposed to, like, emotional abuse, obviously they're both, like, horrible, but, like, I think if you see that side of it, people. I don't know, is there any win? No.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's so dark. Yeah, it's kind of like mutual. It's like a. A mutual ending for the two of them. Mutual destruction, I think is the phrase, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's just like you have everything. You're on the fourth season of the show. People were kind of buying into it, whatever. And it's like you're going on the Bachelorette. You have this kid, he has money, he's getting hair transplants. Like, you know, I just feel like. Veneers. Yes, they all have veneers. That's the first thing people get, which Tiana is a very. Against veneer. She's very much like, don't get veneers. They f your teeth. Like, whatever. I think only if you have really teeth, you should get veneers. But anyways, like. Like, it's like when you have everything and you still do this, it's just like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And like I said, like, I think the. That's why I feel like a lot of the. I mean, the audience in general kind of gave Grace, like, the first incident. I mean, we see on the show. But she, like, I don't know. You just hope that people get. Grow and change and stuff. But I think when you still put yourself in a position where it was, like, traumatic for the kids, Even without seeing the video. Like, I mean Layla is one where she talks about like she grew up in a broken household and how that affected her having her parents fight all the time. So like even just like exposing your kids to like that kind of relationship where you're fighting and screaming like back and forth and isn't so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's like, that's why it's hard

[Moses Hacmon]

for me to be like pro tail. Even though like I totally believe, even without proof I would believe any claims because like I see Dakota. Yeah, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yeah, you're doing it in front of these kids over multiple times and publicly now for them to see. It's great. Like I don't even if I'm ever annoyed, I don't even want it to be because. Did she say something? Oh, she did say something. She was. I was trying to be amicable for the kids. I'm talking about Jesse with Jordan now. And I guess she was like, the kids were there and she said something. He's like, don't talk to me. And I was just like that. And she goes, okay, I get, I see how this is going now. And I think that is like again, I think you're a bad parent at that point. I think you already think he's a bad person. Obviously you're a bad spouse. But then you're doing it like in front of your kids. Your kids have nothing to do that they don't want to feel tension between parents. Like, like then you're just a bad parent at that point. Because no matter how annoyed we are, it's like I never ever want them to feel any sort of like tension or anything. Cuz kids don't deserve it and it them up at a very young age. Like for, you know, like you, you have, you live with that anxiety. You live with that like tenseness and I don't know, I hate it. I hate these men. It's called the Mormon Wives, not Mormon men. You're not getting a spin off. Dad talk is canceled. You're so boring. I love seeing the articles too. Being like, nobody wants.

[Moses Hacmon]

We're done. We're done with that talk. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Every time, retweet. I repost any chance I get because it is true. It's the secret lives. Even on the When Jordan was like, who's he talking about? Like not wanting to film, he's like, but she goes on Dancing with the Stars and is sitting with the Mormon

[Moses Hacmon]

wives who are talking about Demi.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh yeah. And I was like, yeah, because she's a star of the show you're not like, he was so like, oh, but she'll want to film, right? Like, what. Who are you talking to?

[Moses Hacmon]

In my last piece of TFP news, there was an ominous update that ABC might still air the Bachelorette. And I also, separately, without this article, page 6 is the one that reported this.

[Trisha Paytas]

This.

[Moses Hacmon]

I also heard from sources that they, Their wording was very specific in the statement. Like, yes, publications are the ones that said it's Bachelorette canceled, but ABC themselves just said pulled it or paused it or whatever. So they never specifically said, like, it's done. So Page Six, they report that ABC might still end up airing the Bachelorette. They might wait a little bit and then just drop all the episodes on Hulu or something and we shall see. And also TMZ just reported to say that Taylor is still getting her paycheck for the Bachelorette. Oh, which. So that, I mean, she did fulfill her end of the deal as far as, like, she did the show. But again, that kind of makes me think maybe at some point they'll actually end there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know people want it. Yeah, people want it. I guess I'd probably watch it. I mean, I think it's like, probably better they don't because it just sets an example that you can just be. Be diabolical and just keep going in this world, which is like, people are arguing like, you know, men, then we should cancel the NFL and stuff. And I agree. I do think some men do, but some don't. Like, last year, the biggest tour was Twitter Morning Chris Brown. You know what I mean? And it's just like we've obviously seen how horrible and it's like. Yeah, I agree. But I think it's like a different,

[Moses Hacmon]

like the big thing people forget is like the audiences are so different. Like this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Mormon wise Bachelorette, like the audience that it caters to is like a very socially conscious. It's like very feminist, you know, like that kind of demographic that just cares about those things and like, cares about morality versus, like, a lot of sports fans just want to see athletes who are good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you know, that's very true. That's a good.

[Moses Hacmon]

People kind of tap out of like, they don't care who they're voting for, etc. Etc. They just want to see the sports. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it's very true. You're right. I feel like, right. People make the argument.

[Moses Hacmon]

I am, I'm on the same side, like, but I'm not the one going into this, you know, supporting these. Not even alleged, like, abuse, like Charged with abuse.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. No, it's true. And it's. Yeah, it's sad. I. I feel like they should keep it off. But would I watch it? Probably. I mean, so many people would. I mean, that's just the era.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know I probably a little left out. I don't know if I could. If I could whisper.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my God. I'm so sorry. I have to end the Mormon wife segment on this because this killed me. I saw a TikTok of LLA Gibney getting interviewed about Dakota. Did you see this?

[Trisha Paytas]

Who was doing this interview? What?

[Moses Hacmon]

It was like paparazzi. Like a paparazzi stopped to interview Lila Gibney in front of Erewhon. I think it's. Oh, I think it's from a couple months ago. But Lila Gibney again, another woman, always had the scene of the crime. She saw was like watching Mormon wise for the first time. Saw Dakota, thought he was hot, slid in his dms and he's. Dakota allegedly started sending Lila nudes. And this was still when he was like on and off with Taylor. Thank God Taylor, Frankie Paul didn't know Lila because they would have made a TikTok about Lila Gibney like that versus

[Trisha Paytas]

Lila Gibney who wins.

[Moses Hacmon]

That would have been crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

That would be wild crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Also I have to have Jimmy just put the clip in because it's so funny. But like, Lila is like, you know, I'm in my like love and peace era. I'm like trying to not be messy or start anything. But yes, he was sending me new dudes.

[Darian]

She probably orchestrated it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know who needs more therapy, me or them.

[Trisha Paytas]

So what is your involvement with Dakota Taylor? What's the situation with you? I'm entering this new era where I

[Moses Hacmon]

like, you know, want to be grown,

[Trisha Paytas]

want to be mature about stuff. And I'm like when I can't and I feel like I should like leave the.

[Moses Hacmon]

The rest to yalls imagination.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yes, like, thanks for exchange. Like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did I partake? Yeah, like a game of chess.

[Moses Hacmon]

I can't always somehow at the scene of the cry.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is so funny. Oh my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

Her just giving this whole like 5 minute interview in front of Erewhon, like is so cancer.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do love it.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is so. It is so fierce.

[Trisha Paytas]

I want to get my thoughts on it.

[Moses Hacmon]

But yeah, she just said he was sending her news. He wanted her to come meet up with him in Vegas. But then he found out she was. She was trans. And then he like went off on her and ghosted her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, according to Lila. That's what she said.

[Moses Hacmon]

According to Lila. Yeah. And she's like, you could have just googled me to see what I was about. And I was like, you know what? That's fierce. And if he's transfer, which obviously he's a transphobe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Obviously. Yeah, I know. Love the tea, though.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. Thank you, Lila, for just a little extra tea. That killed me when I saw that somehow she's always involved.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was Dakota on season one?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, actually. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, he was.

[Moses Hacmon]

I just started season one and he's in it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I need to start it. Do I? I don't know. Just give me a little anxiety. Should I watch it? I did see someone being like, Taylor losing her spark. Like, season one, just having so much life and happiness.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's the first thing I noticed. I was like, she looks so different. Like, she has so much lights. Or she looked, like, just so sweet and like, even though she, like, just clocked, like, the swing and stuff, like, she just was so. So fun and bubbly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And this was like, right when she met Dakota. Like, so it really. I mean.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I always need to talk like that. Like, you know, a bad relationship will drain the life out of you. And it's so true. You see, like, the before and after, it's just like, damn. God, it's so. She's so frustrating because she could literally have anybody.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

So gorge and. All right, well, hopefully. Well, I don't think it's the end of the Mormon wise. I think we're gonna hear more.

[Moses Hacmon]

They are literally dominating every headline. It's, like, kind of insane. Someone else dominated every headline. I did see a Chapel Rome security guard update.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did see that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Although I have been radicalized and now I'm like, full blown. Actually. No. No. I don't even care if she was in the wrong. Like, I'm standing by chopper room because it's getting so crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

That I have been radicalized. I was like, y' all are doing too much.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I agree.

[Moses Hacmon]

She was in the Hannah Montana special and all the comments were, like, on any tick tock about Hannah Montana I see would like, it was good, but I wish Chapel Rome wasn't in it. Like, it's so evil, nasty, sick. Like, people were really picking apart when she was talking to Marley and she's like, you walked so I could run. Which is a figure of speech.

[Trisha Paytas]

A popular figure of speech that everyone uses. Yes, everyone. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow. I can't believe she would tell her that. Like, how. How dare she. So she thinks she's better than Miley? No, no, she's just saying, like, you paved the way so I could be a pop star.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like what?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, people just. Well, was it Jimmy or someone I follow on Instagram said, like, there was a paid public, public smear hate campaign. He did. Maybe that's why I heard it. Which it is giving that. It is giving that because it is just like, weird amount of hate and just like, never ending. And like you said, it's like, what did you do?

[Moses Hacmon]

And then when I went to, like, look for Hot Topics, like, well, I saw this one article in the Daily Mail that I was, like, intrigued to know, like, who the actual security guard was. And like, all the related stories were all these Chapel, like, hit pieces on the Daily Mail. Like, so specific. Like, she said something bad about her coach in high school. Like, it's like, really going so deep. And I'm like, we fully lost the plot. And then I saw a TikTok that was like, Shia LaBeouf is, like, yelling at gay people and abusing women and no one's saying anything but chapel Roan security guard yelled at an 11 year old and like, she's the devil. I mean, this is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it is crazy. And it's true. It's all factual and it's all sad and, like, people still going at it. It was her, Her. Her security guard. We, like, knew it and it's like, okay, we've all moved on. Like, you know, it's just like, not. It's just not that serious.

[Moses Hacmon]

But her security guard from the incident is allegedly a former Kardashian security guard, Pascal duvier, who is 53. He was Kim's security guard when the infamous Paris robbery happened.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if he's a good security guard.

[Moses Hacmon]

Exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where was he at?

[Moses Hacmon]

He was sued by Kim's insurance company after incident.

[Trisha Paytas]

And where was he?

[Moses Hacmon]

He was at the. I think at the club with Courtney and Kendall during that incident.

[Trisha Paytas]

But he was Kim's security guy. Why did he leave her? That's so weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

He left her? Yeah, he left Kim at the hotel. He went out to go with Courtney and Kendall.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did they investigate him?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, he was sued by the insurance company and they settled the lawsuit in 2020.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Yeah, that is kind of weird. Like, if we had a security guard. And thing is, that's so weird. Like, I couldn't imagine, like, having a security guard and being like, oh, actually, I'm gonna go with your. I guess they're like famous too, but they'd have their own or I don't know, like why wouldn't you be with Kim like if it that's your security bar. That's so weird.

[Darian]

I'm saying like it's too shady. Things happening around one guy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And that's allegedly in our opinion article

[Moses Hacmon]

was positioned like the angle of it was like her Chapel employing like a CD security guard. But I'm more like, okay, well let's just focus on this guy who obviously is doing too much.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Let's not blame the girls.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's also like humongous. Like he's tall and just like huge. And then so any man that big was going up to like a mom and her 11 year old daughter. Because also it was just her and the dog. Like the husband, the football. Not the football player.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah,

[Moses Hacmon]

he like her husband wasn't there. It was just the two of them. So any man that gigantic going up and berating the women like it's kind of on the car.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like why are we focusing on that more?

[Trisha Paytas]

And as a child too, it's also

[Darian]

like especially in that setting when you're inside of a hotel, they're guests of the hotel. You cannot harass them either.

[Moses Hacmon]

Especially a high end hotel.

[Darian]

It goes both ways.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Darian]

You have no right to talk to them either.

[Moses Hacmon]

And Chapel's rap did confirm to Page Six that it was a third party security. I know people keep saying that he was hired by Chapel but her rep did say that what's third party? So I think it's kind of what we said last week where it was probably like the contracted by the festival is kind of what it sounds like.

[Trisha Paytas]

You get this guy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So not like the direct like everyday personal.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he was like in front of her in that LAX video or the airport video where she points at someone.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I didn't see him and when I was at the party I didn't see him either. It was another guy. Not as like he was kind of my high ish and like really muscular. But I think yeah, he wasn't like like aggressive or anything. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sometimes the little ones is like the bodyguard with Kevin Costner. Whitney Houston. It's kind of like the little ones are the sneaky. Those are like the secret service agents. They're always kind of like little.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And I know like I always connect it back to Taylor but like her like main security guard isn't like humongous either.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You want the ones that are more like precise, agile. Yes. That know it's can smart people a mile away. Yeah, but the big ones are good for like, just people not coming up to you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Intimidating, but.

[Moses Hacmon]

So, yeah, I'm kind of like, we'll just go. Why we should be focusing on him, if anything. Because also there is something to say about like, a man who does, like, find himself in a position in power, who then, like, gets high off of it. You know what I mean? And like. Yeah, I mean, that is true to like, bully people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Security guards in general treat like those like fancy, like Louis Vuitton stores. They can be a little drunk with power. Sometimes they get. Or, you know, when there's like a line or something and they yell, people just like, okay. Like, they get a little crazy sometimes. Sometimes you have to yell at people who are just standing line waiting for like, like a CD drop.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, people are doing like, too much.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And again, it's a little kid. I feel like if it's like someone shady or CD that looks a little like, off. Okay. But like, what's this little girl gonna do?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

We never know, I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

My favorite meme, though that's come out of it from like Chapel fans is they make. They're making up who the security guard was. So I saw one tweet that was like, yes, I am the security guard that went to yell at the 11 year old little girl. My name is Timothee Chalamet. I thought she was a ballerina. I saw that one. I love that one.

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw Mick Salters. I was mean. I would do it again.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'll do it again. I saw one that was like, yes, it was me. My name is Gracie Abrams. I have a new. Poor Gracie Abrams. Like that girl. I am so sorry, Gracie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. What's with her being the meme?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. I feel so bad for her because she's always at the butt of every joke and she really just minds her business. It is quite sad.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you just look cute. Leave me alone, baby. You know that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

J.J. abrams is her dad.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who? Star Wars.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know Lost. Create a Lost.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, he did Lost.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Which is like the best show you ever watch it. I feel like we should just do a whole.

[Moses Hacmon]

I've never seen it. Maybe I should.

[Trisha Paytas]

I had a Lost podcast.

[Moses Hacmon]

I do recall that. Yeah. Did you watch? I watched, I think episode one. Because that's when you did the bald cosplay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that bald cosplay really got me.

[Trisha Paytas]

You could do it again. I really need you to get into it. I love that show so much.

[Moses Hacmon]

It sounds like A show I would get into at least the first couple seasons.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think you would like it. Moses didn't think I'd like. I said, I don't think you're gonna like the show. And then I, like, loved it. It is a different. It's not like Desperate Housewives, but. But it's.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, it's good because it. It is. Is that, like, the most sci fi thing you've ever been into?

[Trisha Paytas]

Probably, right.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It doesn't get too sci fi until, like, a couple seasons in.

[Darian]

Very subtle.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's very subtle, but it's like the most adventure action. I don't know whatever you call those things that I would be into because, like, it starts with the plane crash. I was like, oh, I don't like this.

[Darian]

But beginning of it, 95 is them surviving an island and the dynamics between the people.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you like Survivor, and it's very, like, scripted Survivor. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Work.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you see Mike White said he wrote all of season four after he got eliminated on Survivor?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

This. He's like, because no one knew where I was and I had nothing to do. So.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. He's also a key and kind of boosh because. Yeah, when you get eliminated, they put you in, like. It's called Ponderosa.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's that? A steakhouse? Do you know Ponderosa?

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, you know Ponderosa Steakhouse? It's so good. Oh, my God. I wonder if it's. So. Anyways, doesn't matter. Okay. I love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know what. I don't know the lore of the name specifically, but it's pretty much like, where they keep, like, production stays and stuff. So it's like, there's bungalows. So when you get eliminated, you're still, like, they keep you there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do people care that much if they see you on the stream? Like, oh, he was eliminated. Like, you don't know when they're filming or anything. Right. Like, who knows?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it's pretty typical because even, like, Drag Race, they keep you in a hotel.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

You're, like, on ice afterwards.

[Darian]

Yeah. You're basically secluded until the end of the show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, hell no. I'm going home. If I'm eliminated, I'm gonna go home. What do you mean? Do you think Traders, they do that?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. Maybe. Right?

[Darian]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Especially, like.

[Darian]

Yeah, it's really short. It sounds like it. They're all in that hotel.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's not so secret anymore. It's Courtyard Marriott in Scotland Airport. Isn't that crazy that they're just, like, at A courtyard. You're like, okay, so anyone can just come at a continental breakfast and see you there. Like, that's so not boozy.

[Darian]

It's quite a trek to go to Scotland.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's not.

[Darian]

They don't care about the show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, there's some Scottish people. Anyways, okay, so he's at Ponderosa, and

[Moses Hacmon]

he's vegan, and they had. And they didn't have enough vegan options. So he's like, can I just go somewhere else, like, on my own? So, yeah, he, like, paid for himself to go somewhere else just by himself, away from, like, production and stuff. And he was, like, isolated and then wrote home.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you mean? He's just like, I'm just gonna go somewhere else?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, I feel like he just went on his own little vacation by himself and then locked in and wrote the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's also a celebrity, so they're probably like, well, we're not gonna tell you now.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know he did say he wrote roles for his, like, castmates on Survivor, but he didn't tell them what they are yet. I told you you should have been on Survivor.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Well, this was All Stars. I don't think I had a chance. How did he get eliminated? You get eliminated early.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's been on for a few weeks. I haven't watched this season yet, but I know it was kind of a gag with. With the votes and stuff. Like, it was kind of a gag because he was in a lot of alliances and stuff. But.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I mean, how do you vote him? I'd be like, oh, I want to get on that White Lotus. I'm gonna keep you in.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, these are. Because it's All Stars. They were, like, ultra competitive. So I. I did watch, like, the preseason interviews, and a lot of them did say, like, I don't care if it's Mike White. Like, I'm still voting to get rid of. They probably, like, they were like, I'd probably vote him out sooner because I don't want anyone to be swayed by the White Lotus, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so funny. That's such a big show. I love it. I can't wait for it to come out. I'm so excited. Probably not for another year, huh?

[Moses Hacmon]

If it's. Yeah, it's just filming, and they take a year to film, basically. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why so long?

[Moses Hacmon]

So they'll probably wrap at the end of this year, then come out next spring.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. Now that euphoria's done, Hacks is done, huh? Oh, HBO Max, where I get some shows. I loved La Too heated. Rivalry, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Tea. I'm trying to think what they have. Some shows, you wouldn't care. Like, they have DC shows, but whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't care about that. But if you want Crying on the Kitchen floor can be optioned for a TV show. I think HBO Max could be my home. It's the only place that I've been on tv.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, T. I guess he would be Paramount.

[Trisha Paytas]

Honestly, I'd go with 2B. I'll go anywhere. I'll go anywhere. I am not picky. Even though they have. What are they right. Escape the night. They're gonna take anyone. Joey, I love you. I'm just kidding. He is very sweet. He said he was ordering a copy of my book too. Joey's really sweet, but I feel like with him, we always love to have a little shade.

[Moses Hacmon]

And Joey Griseffa is, like, low key.

[Trisha Paytas]

Shady.

[Moses Hacmon]

So shady. Like, you can read. He can read.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like, super nice, but he's also, like, shady. And it's. He's like Farai. You know, Whereas I was gonna say that he gets away with it because he is so nice. Like, he's an actual nice person.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Like, when he. I could post my Instagram story, I just remembered. But when he texted me about, like, getting a PR box from his book, I was like, oh, yeah, Like, I would love to. I'm so proud of you. He's like, oh, I hope that you learn how to read before you get it. And I was like, okay, work so he can dish it. So he can take it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Random read. Like, you're like, the smartest one.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's the one dyslexic, so I don't know why.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like, we're going back and forth. That's crazy. Did you say that to him?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, but I should have.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was a good one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not this sweet.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's fast. That was a quick one. He's funny, you know? Good for him, though. I love the.

[Darian]

Well, we can bring your book to the Euphoria premiere.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if we can apply it to that.

[Darian]

We did.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do they just text us? Oh, thank God. Because Jared the stylist, he's like, okay, if you're going to Euphoria, I got. I want to style you. And I was like, I don't know if that invite got lost in the mail. Wow. Oh, my God, do I have time to lose weight? It's the same as Elvis.

[Darian]

The premiere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, same.

[Darian]

Oh, same everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

I gotta. I really need to get my thighs in check. You Know I have no muscle in my inner thighs. What? None. When I. Because I do Pilates. And, like, there's certain. You know, it isolates muscles. And I.00 muscle there. Like, I can't squeeze when she'll, like, tell me, like, squeeze the ball. Like, they do not squeeze. No muscle there.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know if I believe you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Swear. I'm pretty strong other places. Like, I'm strong in my, like, legs. I'm strong in my arms. Like, I'm pretty strong. Even my core is pretty strong. I mean, obviously fat. Yes. But there is some muscle there. Here. There's literally nothing. Like, there's, like, I cannot, like, flex it, move it in. I mean, we're doing baby steps to get muscles there. But, like, there's one thing where it's like, you squeeze the ball with your thighs to, like, hold it in and push it out. And I, like, physically again. And the other thing I can do. Can't do. Is when you're on your knees and push back and use your inner thighs. Push back. Can't do it. Like, it doesn't even move. Like, the little carriage. Yeah. It's really crazy how I have no inner seeing about that. Because before I say, oh, I want to wear a little skirt, but I'm like, oh, I have no muscles here. That's why it hangs like jelly beef greens. Yeah. So maybe no. No little skirt for that. It's probably coming up soon. Euphoria is like, wow, catch me in euphoria. I can't wait to see what they use. I really don't.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I'm dying to see how much is on sale.

[Trisha Paytas]

A lot. And I know it's gonna be a short, like, short part, but. But, like, I actually shot a lot. Like, the amount that I was there, seems like I would be in the whole episode. But they're not going to use it. I probably did, like, not even getting, like, three hours of improv. And I'm like, they're probably going to use, like, a minute of this. So I'm so curious. And it went crazy. I told you. Like, the conversation went so crazy. The improv. I remember just, like, you know, just trying to be professional, like, doing it, but then I'm like, I remember. Stop for a minute. I'm like, am I being punked? Like, how am I supposed to react to this? These scenarios? Like, it was actually kind of crazy. So. So I don't know what's going to be left. Get in the game with the college branded Venmo debit card. Wreck your team with every tap and earn up to 5% cash back with Venmo Stash, a new rewards program from Venmo. No monthly fee, no minimum balance, just school pride and spending power. Get in the game and sign up for the Venmo debit [e-mail] collegecard. The Venmo MasterCard is issued by the Vancouver Bank NA Select Schools available Venmo Stash terms and exclusions apply at venmo me stashtum. Max $100 cash back per month. New Maybelline Serum lipstick. Maybe it's not just lipstick. It's lush color with endless possibilities. It's serum infused with a hyaluronic acid and oil blend for eight hour, plumping moisture in tone, enhancing shades. It's more than the shade, it's who's wearing it. You. New Maybelline Serum Lipstick. Maybe it's Maybelline, but I'm assuming it'll be left in because they did a announcement.

[Darian]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Price for these, right? Yeah. It be crazy if it was.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is Vinnie. Was Vinnie Hacker one of the people announced too?

[Trisha Paytas]

He was announced, like, way later, like, after the thing. Right. So, like, where it is? I guess. I guess people have, like, context clues. It's LA and it's la. That's all. I. I think people kind of, like, gather, like, what it is and what it's gonna be. Did you see the spoiler for the drama?

[Moses Hacmon]

I am standing strong.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm not watching it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm. TMZ did, like, an article, right? Like, spoil the drama. I wonder what the hell. You read the spoiler.

[Trisha Paytas]

Of course you didn't read it.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I am standing strong because I wanna actually go into it and be gagged. Like, I have my tickets for the drama. I wanna be gagged by the drama at work. Because, like, I don't. Our office is, like, I don't know, just newsrooms or just desks everywhere. And then someone almost said, like, read the TMZ article out loud. And, like, 10 of us were like, no, Brenda, no.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because you don't want. No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, we're holding strong.

[Trisha Paytas]

When's it come out? This weekend, I think.

[Moses Hacmon]

Next weekend. I thought it was April.

[Trisha Paytas]

Man.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're like, when is April? Yeah, next weekend, I think. Well, it did premiere and screened, so it premiered last week in la and then they did France on Monday, I think. So they've had like three premieres already, so people have seen it, but I really want to be gagged by it. Usually I don't care about spoilers, but this One. The whole plot of it is the spoiler, right? But I did see some reviewers be like, I think it's too much. Like, I don't. I can't even review it because it's just too much. I can't believe they went there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think they paid people for those reviews to be like, this is too much. Because, like, I was gagged by it. And, like. But it's a movie. What do you mean it's too much? Like, do you know what I mean? Like, people like, this is too much. But we're watching, like, weapons with, like, children being. I don't know what's happening. Being eaten in that movie. But this is too much. It's like, it's a fake movie. I get the reality. I won't. I won't spoil it. I get that it's a real.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, there's Hunger Games where kids are killing.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. I was like. And it is, like, gaggy, but it's, like, not baggy. You know what I mean? It's like, I guess more triggering than anything, but people are. I think they pay for those reviews, which I'm gonna do once my book's out, because I'm gonna be like, I'll send it to the people early. Just like to say, oh, my God, I can't believe she said this. I can't believe she went there. You'll never believe what's in this. You know what I mean? Pay for those reviews.

[Darian]

I think that will happen regardless.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so, too. I'm scared. I am a little scared because I'm like, you know, I read it and I'm like, it's my life. And then, you know, there's certain things. I'm like, I don't know if I should keep it. And try not. I'll just keep it in here. But I'm like, I wonder if people will judge you all over again based on the book. You know what I mean? Just, like, reveals and stuff. You're just like, is this bad?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I feel like usually in books, people end up getting more context to things and then feeling they usually come away with more of an understanding and empathy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I just didn't want to revert back to my messy roots.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think that's why I think there was a study that was like, people who read are generally more empathetic because you put yourself into the protagonist's, like, life basically. Oh, that makes sense. And you understand their point of view more.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is true. Yeah. I feel like even with, like, villains and movies and stuff. When you read, like, the books, you have a little more like Severus Snape.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Harry Potter. You're kind of like, you know what, he was jilted by Harry's, you know, heartbroken by Harry's mom. And you understand why he.

[Moses Hacmon]

President Snow and Hunger Games when he got his little spin off.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, you're so right. And you. Yeah. You have a little empathy. I was very sad when President Snow. Spoiler alert. Got killed by Katniss. Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Katniss didn't kill him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. It hit the woman. How did he die?

[Moses Hacmon]

She let the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, people.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, she just let them go at it.

[Trisha Paytas]

She was the real villain, that lady. What was her name?

[Moses Hacmon]

Coin?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, her hair, the lob. She was good, though. She was really cute in it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, this is. This ain't a bob. That's a Robert.

[Trisha Paytas]

What? What does it mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Because it's not just the bob.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's a long verb. Oh, it's a long version of the narcotic. People are crazy. I feel like if you have a son, you would name him Robert.

[Moses Hacmon]

My brother is named. One of my brothers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. You give Robert energy somewhere. I knew it. I'm like those psychics on TV that just like, randomly say something and you're like, how do they know? It's like, well, the probability of it. It's like, I think you know someone with the letter M. So funny, Robert.

[Darian]

Thank you. People combine the name, his name and

[Trisha Paytas]

Darien, what would it be, Dosker?

[Darian]

Orion.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was our wife.

[Darian]

Orion.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, Orion's pretty good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, what is that. What is that called? Like, the Orion star. What is that called?

[Moses Hacmon]

A galaxy?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, like the Big Dipper. There. There's a name for, like, the Pegasus. Like. Oh, God, it's like a cluster.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, the constellation.

[Trisha Paytas]

Constellation. Wow, you're so smart. You really are the smartest. Joey saying he can't read. You're the smartest person I know. Like, you really are. You are so, so smart.

[Darian]

Usually the only person that reads articles.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he reads articles.

[Darian]

We watch the videos.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right? The context clues. You'll be like, oh, was it this person you were talking about? Was it this? Like, you have such good memory recollection, like, you're so good. Constellation. That's another con. Did you ever look at those as a kid?

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, I'm from here, so. Well, la. So we couldn't really see.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's no stars in la.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, there's too much light pollution. You can't See any stars? But it is nice, like whenever you go somewhere, like where there's not as much light pollution, you can see.

[Trisha Paytas]

We can see stars here.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess it makes sense because you're a little bit further out.

[Trisha Paytas]

We saw a shooting star one time, remember? That's so cool. Have you ever seen one? No, never saw a shooting star missing out. That's lucky. You're supposed to wish on one if you see one.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's been a lot of like, sightings of like shooting stars that seem a little ominous lately though.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where. What?

[Moses Hacmon]

There's one like Texas, I think it was. They did end up confirming it was like some Elon Musk.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, so it wasn't a shooting star, it was a rocket.

[Moses Hacmon]

It looked like one though. But there was. It's kind of. I'm dipping into Moses.

[Darian]

There's been a few.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, right. Where it was when people were like, it was so big. What the hell was that?

[Darian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I haven't heard about any of this.

[Moses Hacmon]

Didn't know that was happening.

[Darian]

There's a lot of stuff happening in the sky.

[Trisha Paytas]

Scary? No, no.

[Darian]

Normal.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I asked him, I wasn't like, what do you think about when people are like, oh, I like, God came to me. He's like, no, I believe it, but. But then sometimes you're like, do they come, like, you actually see God? I've never seen God. I believe in God, but I've never seen him. You think they actually see a. Like a. A figure? Like what he looks like in the pictures at this church? I guess that's Jesus.

[Darian]

Like if somebody has a near death experience, I think they do.

[Trisha Paytas]

You see God. But is it a light or is it a person?

[Darian]

Most people see a light. They see. Sometimes they see a being. It's themselves. It's their.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, narcissistic. To be like, oh, that's God, it's me. Crazy. That's what you find out that we are God.

[Darian]

Fraction.

[Trisha Paytas]

Damn, that's wild. Shout out to everyone who's seen him. Honestly, that's like seeing Bigfoot, you know, I mean, I believe, I guess. Not the same, right? I guess.

[Darian]

No. But I also said that a lot of people that say that God talks to them or they talk to him regularly, that they don't. They just believe nonsense thoughts in their heads to be something else.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right? Yeah. How do you know it's God or just the voices in your head if it.

[Darian]

If it kind of talks to you in English? It's definitely not God if you don't

[Trisha Paytas]

Think he speaks English. What's he speak?

[Darian]

I think it's more of an intuition. Like, you get, like, you get a download, you get a feeling. It's like an understanding. You get a full understanding of an idea of a concept.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Darian]

But if it's words, like, in your head, then somebody's playing tricks on you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess someone's like, God told me to go to Reddit and write this post. I'm like, I don't know if that was God.

[Darian]

I think that's definitely not.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe the devil probably has to go write some stuff. It can be confusing. God and the devil probably be confusing to people who are unwell. Me, and I was there writing my book. I've talked about hearing voices and I'm

[Darian]

like, right, and Exactly. Those voices were definitely not positive.

[Trisha Paytas]

The devil came to me.

[Darian]

And then you see people that go too far. It's like when you see somebody on the street walking, talking to themselves, you know, it's those voices taking over. Can see what the sad outcome of that is.

[Trisha Paytas]

I hate it. I hate the devil. The devil's in dad Talk. I think we need to get them out. Call it Exorcist. We need it asap. Get him out.

[Darian]

We knew from the Book of Mormon that this is what we'll be nowadays.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, they predicted it. You're right. Right. Book of Mormon. They did say that. They were saying something that like, God has his own planet. Remember that?

[Darian]

No, I don't really remember.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know from the Book of Mormon. They're like, and we believe that God has his own planet and we'll all get there soon. I am a Mormon and by God, a Mormon just believes. Oh, I believe. Did you ever see it?

[Moses Hacmon]

No. I did see your YouTube video when you performed it, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's all you know of Book of Mormon? It's just me in the kitchen.

[Darian]

Most of our education is Trisha Reunites Hamilton.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like that.

[Darian]

Different movies.

[Trisha Paytas]

And that's why the Broadway community hates me. They're like, this is not the representation that we want. I love Book. Did you see it? Andrew Reynolds was in the original Josh Gad. It was so good. A little offensive. It's probably. That's probably problematic. Might delete. They should probably wait.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, wait. Random. Sorry to go back to Morrow and Wives for a moment, but that you sent me an email that you were invited to go to Utah to live the experience. Was that you invited to be in Mormon Wives?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

What was that?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I remember it was from my agents And I remember being like, not that gagged by Mormon wives. Like, do you want to come to Utah and like have a Mormon wise experience? You can go to like Jesse Salon. And I was like, ah. I think I even said something. I was like, nice about it. I was like, it sounds fine, but like, you know, obviously going on a trip and stuff with like out my kids and like playing. I don't know, it just seemed like. I don't know. I wasn't. Now if they were like, do you want to go to Jesse Salon? Yes. Yeah, I would. 100. But yeah, it was like a couple months ago or maybe a little longer. And yeah, they were like, do you want to have the Mormon wives experience? Just kind of like hang out at all the places they go to.

[Moses Hacmon]

I wonder if you would have like been on the show because I mean, book. They saw you perform Book of Mormon, like, good enough.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're like, elder Paytas, here I come. I would love to go around, like knock on people's door and preach something. Maybe not the Mormon word, but you know, a word. I would love. And I would love to go to Swig. I would love to make it. I am. I do think Mormonism. If there is a feeling, it's my. Sometimes I can be a feeling of it because I love like Donny Osmond. I do love the black ties they wear. I like the idea. And so it's a feeling, as they say. What's that one we watched? What's that show with the Jewish.

[Darian]

With the rabbi?

[Trisha Paytas]

What is that show?

[Darian]

Nobody wants.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nobody wants us. They're filming season three right now, by the way, which please cast me and Moses. I do think this. I know it's about the writer, but I also think it's about us. I think this show is us, us to a T. And I think we need to be in it. We would be so kind of the

[Darian]

opposite, though, because, like, I'm the last person too.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's called acting. You act like you love Judaism.

[Darian]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

You act it. I'm gonna be like, I don't know if I should convert actually.

[Darian]

Right. We can be an additional couple where they're like, we show them. Because Seth Rogen was like, you know, they were. He had a wife that was not Jewish.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was the hip rabbi.

[Darian]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's no Moshe on the show. They have all these names. Noah. They have all these like Hebrew names and there's no Moses. And I'm like, wait, why would there not be? You could be a reverend. What? Rabbi. Rabbi Moshe.

[Darian]

No, I could be like, the rebellious one. Then you meet somebody. Like, be like, dude, you don't have to be so strict.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, that already happened. You need to be the strict one. I don't know, whatever. Write us anyways. And in that show, the mom's like, I feel Jewish. And the rabbi was like, yeah, that

[Darian]

could be a feeling. Maybe he's looking. He's looking to do something. So maybe we'll be the one teaching him. Well, you can be an influencer. Like, you can preach to millions of people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Writers call us. I'm sure that's a great.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe they'll have a swinging storyline.

[Trisha Paytas]

Swinging Judius Jewish couple of moves in next door Mormon yst. I love that. That would actually be everything. Well, I do love Mormon. The idea of Mormonism. I think some of the stuff is kind of sounds crazy. I know they're like, slightly racist and stuff. Like the ones. Yeah, well, the whole Book of Mormon is a little like the musical is a little like, yeah, in the song. Yeah, I think they were a little racist when those books started. I don't want to say all Mormons are, but I think they were a little. Right. But anyways, I like the idea. I like the culture, which is like

[Moses Hacmon]

working out in swig and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, those, like, curled extensions. You know what I mean? Like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Again, I. Sorry I keep referencing it, but I just remembered when I was watching that last season, it was like the Sinner's Party, where I was like, oh, let's be devilish and dubious. And. And that scene came out on the show, and then I got an alert that was like, SWAT team is rating 0.5 miles away. And I was like. I was in the middle of yelling at Jen Affleck, and then I look at my phone and I was like, okay, back to Jen.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. It's like manifesting something in you. Maybe that's the problem there. Have a sinner's party. You manifested this whole.

[Moses Hacmon]

Of course it's during the sinner's party that.

[Trisha Paytas]

What a weird. What is happening. I need to go up there. There to. Harry went there to, like, stir some trouble. I want to go up there to, like, get things right with these men. They need to send Cindy Sweeney's character from House made up there. You know what I mean? They need to, like, get some correction done. And, you know, that's the only way. That's the only way it's gonna learn. So I did love Housemate. At the end of the day, I was like, you know what?

[Moses Hacmon]

She ate that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she ate that honestly, these men are. They're really awful. They just don't learn their lesson too funny. I feel like the next season should just have no men. Just only film the wives and blur out their faces.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's barely any left. Yeah, right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, if you can't have Taylor, then you can't have Dakota Jordan. I don't think we want him.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Connor's in New York.

[Moses Hacmon]

Zach Affleck will be in the spin off. So I guess the only one left

[Trisha Paytas]

is none of that. None of the Mormon wives are going to be in it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just general, which is crazy because there's so many. The two of them are in California.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, Right. But they're not gonna be on it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So Jen's the only one who doesn't follow me. I wonder why the toe got to her. He said unfollow her. He's so not cute. He looks like an 80s, like, bully from, like, one of the movies.

[Moses Hacmon]

He reminds me of literally an evil Pixar character.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's the accurate representation.

[Moses Hacmon]

But if they get Aspen Ovard. Who? I don't know. Do people remember? Like, I remember her as a lifestyle girl, the BET era.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't know who she was until she's like, oh, I was within the Mormons and I'm a lesbian and we were in a throuple and they cheat on me.

[Moses Hacmon]

She is, like, one of the original, like, lifestyle girls.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I didn't remember her.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like a Bethany Mota. Who else was Amanda Steele?

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Yeah, none of them. Literally not one of those people. I know. Where are they now? Are they. Were they all Mormons?

[Darian]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, they're just lifestyle.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just lifestyle girls. Yeah. Religious lifestyle lifestyle girls, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were into religious lifestyle girls?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I didn't really know how religious they were until, like, they. They got. A lot of them went. Got older and then went really extreme into, like, religion.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's where they lose people. Like, they go to the extreme of anything. It's like, it's one thing to, like, love, you know, go extreme, but when people are. Go online and look a little. Something's a little crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Some of them got, like, really extreme with it. But yeah, Aspen I would be intrigued by because I don't know just from like, seeing her as a it. I just remember her as a teenage YouTuber.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, yeah, she made a lot of money. She's like, living in Manhattan beach or something. Or one of the beach cities. That looks bougie.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, well, you know those lifestyle girls back in the day, that's when Adsense was popping. Brand deals were popping. So we could really make a bag back in the day.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where are they now? Lifestyle girly additions. We need to know. Riding in.

[Moses Hacmon]

Bethany Mota was on Dancing with the Stars, wasn't she?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she was really good. But that was a while ago. 10 years ago or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

I forgot about that. Not me suddenly caring about Dancing with the Stars all because of the Mormon wives.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can't wait to see who's on this season.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know it's gonna be freaking three more Mormon wise.

[Trisha Paytas]

Taylor, Frankie, Paul.

[Moses Hacmon]

Jesse was just practicing. She was with Sasha. She did. Or she was in rehearsals with him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, Sasha always wants rehearsal. That he said to me too. He's like, do you want to dance together? I was like, just now? Just without the show. I love it. He's like, do you ever want to do a dance? I was like, I mean, that sounds.

[Moses Hacmon]

When Jesse ends up getting it instead of you, it's because.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I think Sasha's just trying to get on there because he's not always a pro every year. So I think he's trying because even after last year when they announced the cast and everything and obviously I wasn't on it. Ezra had a partner. Whatever. He's like, have you heard anything from casting? I think he was trying to get us.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it. Cuz it's so random. I was just like, why is he.

[Moses Hacmon]

You got to take a page out of Miley Cyrus's book. Just start promoting Dancing with the Stars as if you're on.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did it last year. I'm gonna be on a show this fall. Didn't work. That's okay. I wasn't a show. I was in Beetlejuice. So I just got to keep. I'll just keep manifesting. I am. Yeah, I think it. I think it has to happen. The like lead casting person sent a DM to me and was just like, your name keeps popping up. But I was like, cast me. Like, it is, you know, at this point a little insulting. I haven't been cast. When I saw the two Mormon wives, I was like, really love them. They're stars, of course. But I feel like I should be on. It is crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, when you see Andy Richter and then it's like, that's what I'm saying.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, how, how can I? How. How has this not happened? Timing. I want to believe it's all timing that I'm gonna win. I would never won against Robert Irwin or Alex Earl. Maybe this season, whoever it is.

[Darian]

The book. The book is gonna make it happen.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, maybe everybody wants that. Iona. Is that her name? The athlete? Olympic athlete.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, Alona, I think Alona.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Everybody wants.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I love her. She is a key. She's on Tick Tock. I think she has a podcast now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, she is a key.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Always an Olympian gets on there. So I feel like. Like she.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And she has a great personality.

[Trisha Paytas]

She'd probably win then. Maybe not her.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's, like, really athletic. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

They didn't bring no athletes on my season.

[Moses Hacmon]

At least no dancers. That's always the worst when they have, like. Like a former pop star or someone that's just like. Like when Norman's on Dancing with a Star. Like, how the hell am I going to compete with normani?

[Trisha Paytas]

I heard Nia might be on.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, might. Wrap it up, everybody. Jesus Christ.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think I could compete with that.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's kind of, like, unfair, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's unfair. Yeah. I. I recently saw the Property Brothers, and he told me he was, like, fourth on Dancing with the Stars, like, but it wasn't fair because I think he was on the d', Amelio, Charlie d' Amelio season and stuff. And he's like, she's a dancer. And I was like, yeah, that's true. He was. He was bummed he didn't win.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. God, if Jen was on a season with the dancer, that would. Yeah, she probably still would have been more mad at Whitney, actually.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. She was just like, no, I don't think so. It's like you said, Andy Richter talk to his fans. Who are his fans? Fans. That's not real. Made that up.

[Moses Hacmon]

Did you see poor Barry Keoghan? I kind of felt bad. He did an interview where he talked about how he got made fun of so much for how he looks that he no longer wants to go outside.

[Trisha Paytas]

Honestly, I don't feel bad for him.

[Moses Hacmon]

I do feel bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, he cheated on Sabrina. Allegedly. It's always the ugly ones. Stay inside. Stop cheating. We're doing the world a favor. I don't. I don't feel bad for him, but

[Moses Hacmon]

can't he atone and.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no. Stop cheating and you'll be less ugly. How about that? Allegedly.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel for him. I don't know. I do feel bad also, because he's playing. He's in his Beatles biopic. And the hair that they have for these actors, I'm like, damn. Not doing him any favors.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he does look like. Like, who's it? Ringo.

[Darian]

Yeah, you're not gonna look good playing Ringo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Ringo's got swag. He doesn't. You know what I mean? Like, Barry's got nothing going for him. I think he just got such a big head when dating Sabrina. He's like, oh, everyone wants me. I'm so hot. And it's like, you know, he had to be humbled in a non, you

[Moses Hacmon]

know, physical way because it was Saltburn, like, that. Everyone was obsessed with Saltburn.

[Trisha Paytas]

His penis and.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I was like. And then her being like, ooh, it's so hot.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, all the songs.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, you know, it's okay if some people called you ugly. You're being a little dramatic. It's like, I don't want to go outside.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's true. Because girls be having to deal with that all the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Look at Michaela.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know what? Actually, you split me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Exactly. Yeah. Don't feel bad for him. When he said that, I was like, what? No, you're fine. You can take a couple.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, exactly.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know what you did? You influenced me really quick. Yeah. Because I did feel bad for him because I'm like, damn. People are being. Being a little bit too harsh, but girls do getting it worse, huh? And are still expected. Always in, show out.

[Trisha Paytas]

So always. Oh, she got fat. She's this. It's like they call Addison Ray fat. Like, oh, look at her tummy.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, literally, like, a perfect body. I'm like, people are just so. I'm sure Barry Gilligan probably would call her fat. He's seen someone who's a fat phobic, in my opinion, based on no context. But I do think he's probably fat phobic in my mind, so I don't feel bad.

[Moses Hacmon]

Have you seen him with a fat person?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. No, we haven't. So by that you're fat phobic, and we don't like you for that reason. I don't know. He gives me an ick. He gives me a nick, and it's fine. Honestly, it's fine if you're ugly too, by the way, because it's like, that's the reason you're casted, you know? Like, that's why you get to be the ugly person next to J or the ugly beetle. You know what I mean? Like, that's your look and that's it. Go with it. It's like, you know, you do what you dealt with, you know, I'm not gonna be mad because I'm not being cast as, like, a hot Sydney Sweeney type in euphoria. It's like you're a fat person and that's what you're casted as, and that's fine. Honestly, it's kind of everything to be cast as at your more niche.

[Darian]

Also, she warned him not to embarrass her, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And look what you get inside for life. Hunchback Mountain. He'd be good in that one. He looks. He gets hunchback vibes. He's crazy. Any thoughts on Barry Keogen? Babe?

[Darian]

I think he's lucky to be playing one of the Beatles in a movie that will be. You know, those movies lives forever, and so he's lucky.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, but anything personal about him?

[Darian]

I don't know him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Love that, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I don't know him either, but I'm gonna just assume based on nothing. And I love doing that. That's my favorite game to be with people.

[Moses Hacmon]

This might be an unpopular opinion, but do we really need all those Beatles movies? I'm kind of like, is there multiple? Each Beetle gets their own, and then they combine. Then they all come, like, Marvel.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, it's, no, we don't need the Avengers of 1964.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're all getting their own, and then they unite in, like, a movie together.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, absolutely not. No, absolutely not. No disrespect, but no. That's weird. I think we get the gist in one biopic, which I love, and I'm there for. No, you seated.

[Moses Hacmon]

I wonder if, like, I'm the opposite.

[Darian]

Probably they analyzed the market and was like, this is our last chance to do it before their fans die off,

[Moses Hacmon]

you know, oh, gag.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, not that person. But I do think the fans have died off. They premiered in 1964. I don't think there's any of them still living.

[Darian]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe, like, my Uncle George or my dad or something, but they're even on the young end of that. My dad was born 1958, so he's six. When the Beatles premiered, like, I think most of them are.

[Darian]

They'll be in their 60s to 80s.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think there's people, like, who inherit the love for the Beatles, like, but I don't think there's not, like, a demand for them.

[Darian]

But it's kind of. It's a kind of movie that will live forever, will go on Netflix, will be sold, you know, like, they'll make their money.

[Trisha Paytas]

One movie, but not. Not four.

[Darian]

Yeah, it's a lot, but I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

But there's not. There really hasn't been, like, a Beatles, like a John Lennon movie, I guess, which I'm kind of surprised because he's pretty there. Has. Oh, right, yeah.

[Darian]

That young kid with the director that we're dating.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, what? Who? What?

[Darian]

He was. He played John Lennon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who? The one, you know, the older lady with the hot young guy.

[Darian]

Well, now he's older. It was almost 10 years ago.

[Moses Hacmon]

Was it Nowhere Boy in 2009?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it's that one who's dating that old lady, and everyone's like, date Ariana Grande. Next.

[Moses Hacmon]

Aaron Taylor Johnson. Who? What?

[Darian]

He played John Lennon.

[Moses Hacmon]

He did.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I want to say that's how Jared Leto played the shooter.

[Darian]

She was directing him.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was the movie. But he was so young back then. No, What?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's. It real grock.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, he. Okay. Oh, was he in Nowhere Boy? Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it was Nowhere Boy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Nowhere Boy starring Aaron Taylor Johnson.

[Trisha Paytas]

He plays John Lennon in it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And is Jared Leto in it? Jared Leto gained a bunch of weight to play John Lennon's assassinator, the killer. I forgot his name, but I remember Assassin's name was. Oh, God. John Lennon Killer. Jared Leto. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

My Google history is gonna be. That was chapter 27. That came out in 2000.

[Trisha Paytas]

And what's the name of the guy?

[Moses Hacmon]

Mark David Chapman.

[Trisha Paytas]

No idea. But did you see Jared Leto?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

They did a whole movie about the killer or not.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's sad.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess, as we said, the POV of the villain, I suppose. But I don't know if we need that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know when people do that. I'm like, I don't know if we need to empathize.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think when there's, like, you know, when it's fictional villains, I think that's one thing. But like, Maleficent, like, whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I was saying, like, Monster Charlie's there, and it's like. I think we sympathize with her a little bit.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because she was assaulted by a lot.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. You can kind of understand that.

[Trisha Paytas]

But even Gypsy Rose, I mean, she's a little cuckoo now, but it's like, you know, you understand it a little bit. So, yeah, you have a little empathy. Menendez brothers, for instance, I suppose people empathize with. But that is crazy. They haven't had one. Well, I like Paul McCartney a lot.

[Moses Hacmon]

You do?

[Trisha Paytas]

I do. I do.

[Moses Hacmon]

What about him?

[Trisha Paytas]

I like their songs. I can sing 5,000 Beal songs. Yeah. I'm a big fan. When I find myself in times of trouble Mother man. And then he got old flat top. He come moving up slowly, and I Want to hold your head Here comes the sun Strawberry fields for a. Hey, Jew.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like you know these songs because there was a commercial that was advertised and because the order you're seeing them, I think was the same as this commercial. I swear to God. I remember as a kid there would be like, order now the Beatles greatest hit. And with songs such as, like, it was a compilation album. Like, now that.

[Darian]

There you go.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like that was the order of the commercial. I swear to God.

[Trisha Paytas]

We all in.

[Darian]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because you're also singing the same amount that's in the commercial. Can you sing more than what you're singing?

[Trisha Paytas]

I can sing the whole song. When I found myself more obscure. Hey Jude don't make it bad Take a sad song and make it better Remember to let her into your heart and then you can start to make it better say, say, say what you want but don't play games with my election I'm impressed.

[Darian]

That's with Michael Jackson, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Alone I stay home by the phone Waiting for you, baby do you remember that one? That's Beatles and Michael Jackson.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, the two of them together.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It was Paul McCartney. They didn't know that.

[Darian]

Michael Jackson.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. I did forget that. I know a couple Michael Jackson songs.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was here.

[Moses Hacmon]

They were haunting me. I know Billie Jean is not love.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And the one the kid is not my son.

[Trisha Paytas]

How do you know that one? That one's a good one.

[Moses Hacmon]

It just came to me.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a big one. That was with the glove. That was his, like, big.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. And then I remembered. I know Beat it because there's another I hope so that I've been listening to that references Michael Jackson's Beat it. And I was like, oh, I remember that song.

[Darian]

It's like Eliankovich or Group

[Trisha Paytas]

that's so random.

[Moses Hacmon]

Flow. Shout out Flo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. They reference here, like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Cuz it's like. Oh, God. What does it go? It goes. He's like basically saying that, like the. There's the guys, like, looking at photos. Like, they look so good that they're looking at photos of them. And then it's like. Like MJ in bed. Beat it. Like they're off to the photos of them because they look so sickening.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that goes too far.

[Darian]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Visualize it all. But I was like, okay, one of these. Other than two, I think you only knew from Rihanna. The Mama. Say Mama Sama. I was like, okay, that's crazy. That is a little crazy that you don't know more Michael.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. When I was. I showed that to Darian and even he was gagged. That's how I knew. I was like, oh, I guess I'm really just uncultured when it comes to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Michael Jackson is. So, you know, I think.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think if I heard him, I would, like, recognize them. But just like, off the top of my head, those are the only two I can think of.

[Darian]

I was a kid watching, like, when Billie Jean came out, the music video, when he walks on the floor and it lights up. Like, I remember as a kid, I was like, wow, what's this?

[Trisha Paytas]

Was that in between your nature shows? That's what you watch as a kid and you're like, I watch nature. And now you're like, oh, I watch the music video.

[Darian]

There were only two channels. You watch whatever they play.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you had MTV and the nature channel.

[Darian]

There was no MTV, but they would play music.

[Trisha Paytas]

MTV is. 1981 was MTV. And Billie Jean came out like 1984.

[Darian]

We didn't have cables until I was.

[Trisha Paytas]

So where were you watching Billie Jean?

[Darian]

They would just randomly play music.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sometimes they just had random music videos on there.

[Darian]

Yeah, you know, they'll have like a corner of like 10 minutes of music videos and then some news and then some.

[Trisha Paytas]

But not mtv.

[Darian]

No, there was no cable. When you have cable tv, you get MTV and like, the channel, music videos, it doesn't go only on mtv.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they were. They were so exclusive. Yes. Tell us, if you were in the 80s, where else music videos played?

[Darian]

That's what they had on tv. But Europe and other countries would get European music that you wouldn't get here.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you weren't in Europe.

[Darian]

No, but I'm saying Israel was getting music from all over. We'll get Arabic music from, like, Egypt and Jordan. Like, we'll get everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's some Arabic music you listen to?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh,

[Trisha Paytas]

okay. I was waiting for. He's saying, yeah, I'll sing a little bit.

[Darian]

Okay. There is right now where we can play it here. We'll do it on Patreon on. But there is. Right now. It's like crap battles but in Arabic.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I like that.

[Darian]

On TikTok. It's the best thing ever.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love Arabic language. I do think it's like, really pretty and.

[Darian]

Yeah. So anyway, that's one of the things I watch on TikTok.

[Trisha Paytas]

Versatile.

[Darian]

We'll. We'll play it on now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Billie Jean was iconic. It was one of the best music videos. I love Michael Jackson. We thought about. We're talking about. We're talking about Michael Jackson, Glim Day. And the name mj, obviously, my blonde sandal for mj. And we thought about. For Aquaman, we thought about the name MJ. We were gonna name him, like, Moses Jr. Then go to an MJ and my channel Blondes. Enough. Farm J would have been a manifestation, which would have been wonderful.

[Moses Hacmon]

But the movie poster thing, is that why.

[Darian]

Well, now there will be one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Now there's a Michael Jackson.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, but you said it had to be the exact thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

It does have to be. Well, I made that up after because, like, Barbie technically is not Malibu Barbie gag. It is so. I know. So I kind of just made that up later. But I kind of like that. We had movie posters. We have to put the Aquaman one up every time people come to our house. Like, where's the Aquaman one? I'm like, we have it. It's like with all the sharks, it's just hidden, I guess somewhere we have to post that.

[Moses Hacmon]

But see, I would have thought about mj, like Zendaya's character in. In Spider Man.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's a good name. I do love the name MJ. There's another MJ. Oh, Cat Stickler's daughter on TikTok is named MJ.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I do like that name, actually.

[Trisha Paytas]

MJ's good. I think the boy from Desperate Wives name is mj, the one that Susan has with Mike Delfino. Did you watch Desperate Housewives?

[Moses Hacmon]

No. Which I know that seems like such a me show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I should probably.

[Trisha Paytas]

I could do a whole podcast on Desperate House. Wise, that show. I've never felt more about a show than I do even now. I watch clips all the time. I feel so strongly about that show. I think that show is so good.

[Moses Hacmon]

It does seem like such a me show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you would. It's. It's truly. Of all the TV shows, it's the best show ever made. Like, 100. The best show ever made.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think I would go back and watch it, actually.

[Trisha Paytas]

You have to. It's so too. The women are so. And, like, the men are all awful, but they get what's coming to them because it's fictional. Like, every guy is dying. Like, they all get killed in some crazy way. Like, it's such a good show. Oh, my God, I love it so much. Bring it back. Smart Cherry still alive. He created the show. Remember him?

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Him and Nicole Sheridan got in a fight, so she killed her off in season five.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, spoiler alert.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. 40 years old or something. 30 years old. I don't know when such a Good show. Okay, so you're not seen for the Beatles. Well, who else is in it? Paul Mascal is. He's Paul McCartney. The guy from Stranger Things is George Harrison, who's playing John Lennon.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Joseph Quinn, George Harrison, Ringo Starr.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses Hacmon]

And right now you can get Disney

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses Hacmon]

Barry Kyogan, Paul McCartney, Paul Mascol. John Lennon is Harris Dickinson from the Iron Claw. You loved the Iron Claw when it was on.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did. Which one was he?

[Moses Hacmon]

Not Zac Efron. So I guess the other one.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I would love to see Zac Eron. John Lennon. That'd be everything. Oh, is he one of the brothers?

[Moses Hacmon]

Does he look familiar?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. Okay, you know what? I'm kind of seated for this movie. They're kind of all good actors right now.

[Moses Hacmon]

You hosting the red carpet for all

[Trisha Paytas]

five of these movies. Call me. Yeah, honestly, I'll be at all five.

[Darian]

Because anyway, you know, he's not gonna come out of his house, so it's fine.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, true.

[Darian]

Barry, you don't have to interview Barry.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you know me on the red carpet, Barry, you look so good. Me? When Ethan Slater came up, I was like, ah, no, you know what? I love everybody. It's all just for entertainment. I don't give a. They're all nice, they're all fine. It's all for laughs. Everybody. It's all for entertainment.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm dead.

[Trisha Paytas]

Objectively, we shouldn't use the word ugly as a bad thing. Just call people what they are. Fat, ugly, handsome. I mean. No, I'm just saying ugly's fine. It shouldn't be offensive.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why is everyone so offended by everything? Oh, he called me ugly. Okay, you are. You're fat. Okay, you are. Like, I don't know. There's nothing wrong with it. I take the power back. You know what I mean? I always think of the Fousey tube. Whereas, like, people said that I was dumb and fat, they called me gay.

[Moses Hacmon]

And the Gasp. I do love.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I wasn't even fat. He said something. People call me dumb. They didn't think I could do it. I didn't have this Drake. They called me other names. They called me gay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, okay, well, is that the shorty Awards?

[Trisha Paytas]

One of those fake words. One of the fake ones. Streamys.

[Moses Hacmon]

More movie news. I just. You saw the Moana trailer. I have to talk about the rocks wig. What is going on in the wig department at Disney, you guys? What is going on there?

[Trisha Paytas]

People really came for him. I thought he looked good.

[Moses Hacmon]

He threw that wig up in the air, ran under it, and got on that boat.

[Trisha Paytas]

You are a wig hater. Because also, Tony, my wig person, my wig expert, is like, the Hannah Montina wig was so good. Like, Oscar does it.

[Moses Hacmon]

The first.

[Trisha Paytas]

The pilot.

[Moses Hacmon]

Tony, No. I love your work, Tony. I love your work. But that first wig on that little girl looked crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

He said eight, and it did. And same thing with the rocks wig. Like, it looks.

[Moses Hacmon]

Did he say the rock?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I didn't get an opinion on this.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like even Tony would have.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was good. I think the Internet once again, just loves to come and, like, whatever. It looked good. It looked like his hair. He looked good. I think people are so used to seeing the rock balls, so they're just like, what is this? I thought he looked great.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm looking at still images right now, and I. Luckily, I have these new glasses that really help me clock details up close, and it looks a mess.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's a mess about.

[Moses Hacmon]

Looks so stiff? First of all, he's supposed to be on a boat in the open ocean. Why is the hair laid so perfectly? Not even a little frizz, like, well, he's a dummy. Put a little sea salt spray in there. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's given. It's giving some. It's giving some.

[Moses Hacmon]

It looks like it was pulled out of the bag just a little. Like a little shake and a little go. And I love a shake and go. I've worn many a shake and go on this very program.

[Trisha Paytas]

Your next wig look.

[Moses Hacmon]

But the budget here is a little different than the budget for Moana. The live action like that is crazy. No shade to Disney. Like, we want to be at the marathon at Disneyland. Like, we wanna. We wanna be at the premiere for Moana. I'm sure. But the wig and also the lighting. But the wig is great.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought he looked great. I think people love to hate. I don't even like the rock. And I'm like, he looks good. Good. He Looks good. He is Maui, obviously. So what?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, ma'. Am.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he wearing a fat suit or is that just his body? Not that he's fat, but like, is he wearing a suit to make him bigger?

[Moses Hacmon]

That is a good question. I think it is a suit because the tattoos aren't real.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Okay. I like. Damn, he's pretty huge.

[Darian]

Yeah, he always been.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I think though he's.

[Darian]

Because I remember when they were filming the movie, some pictures came out and he was working.

[Trisha Paytas]

People were coming from. Back in those early photos too. They were not. I think they think they're just.

[Darian]

But the way. I mean, it's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it's fine.

[Darian]

It's not that it's a. It's the wrong texture hairstyle.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's giving Fabia, like when you know.

[Darian]

Yeah, exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

And less like island.

[Darian]

Too curly, too long. Instead of being a bit shorter and bigger. Like Maui. Like there is a reference.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, I think it is too. It's giving. Too wavy to like romance novel cover.

[Darian]

Maybe that Maui is a round facing animation. His face is long and narrow. So with the. That hair, it looks more like a. It looks to drag rather than.

[Moses Hacmon]

It does give like makeover challenge in Drag Race or something. Yeah, he did wear a muscle suit for the movie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, he did. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. You know, I guess he's a star and that's why I guess I would have liked to maybe have seen someone maybe unknown. But I guess you need to draw. Cuz Moana is an unknown. So I guess you need to draw. I mean, people love the rock.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't look at Lilo and Stitch. Like that made a billion dollars and Stitch was the star. You know, it's just because the character is so like iconic. So I don't even think you need the right rock. And interesting. I mean, it made sense to have like a younger actress instead of Alai Cavalo, who is the voice of Moana and she is like a producer on it. So she was still involved and she didn't want.

[Trisha Paytas]

She didn't want to.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, she didn't want it. Yeah. To give the opportunity to a different girl. I think the rock should also have someone let someone else.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you do?

[Darian]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of agree. I think, I think he is the original voice and he is such a draw. And like, like, I get it. I would have loved to seen someone that looks a little more like Maui. Like younger. Like I get it. It's not a human. He's a God. But like, like someone younger, a little more fuller. I just Think there's a lot of, like, when Moana comes out, you know. Right. You see a lot of people from just, like, different islands because. Right. Moana is like a whole. Like, it can be from Samoa, it can be from anywhere. And I think there's so many people who maybe give off a better Maui than him because he is very. He's older. He's a little more chiseled. He's a little more, like, you know, just older.

[Darian]

And I think there's probably more timeless. And, yeah, the rock feel, you know, his age in times.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I feel like a fresh. And also, it's kind of like when they said, like, they didn't cast Harry Styles as Elvis, because you just see Harry Styles as Elvis, it's kind of giving the rock as Maui. Yeah. So I get it. I guess, like, you know, someone offers it to you, it's kind of. It's giving Ben Platt and, like, dear Evan Hansen. Everyone's like, he's too old. But I was like, well, he originated the role and he got offered it, so I guess you're gonna take it. But I would have liked to seen someone else, too. But, I mean, it's gonna be good. They should have put Bretman rock somewhere in there. Because I do think, like, he campaigned so hard for. Hey. Hey. Like, he wanted to be the chicken, that he was, like, really campaigning hard. And I think he's, like. Is so influential. People have seen it, even if it is, like, a smaller part. I think he would have been so good. Also has gray hair, too small to play Maui, but would have been tea.

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't even know that he was campaigning because now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that would actually be so gaggy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because he was in, like, his little farm with all his, like, chickens and stuff, like, talking about it. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would have lived.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe I have a cameo on it. But he was. Yeah, he was hardcore for Moana. So I think. Yeah, unknowns. People like to have an unknown. I think. Yeah, that would have been.

[Moses Hacmon]

But even the actress who plays Moana, like, her natural hair is curlier than the hair like that styled for her as Moana.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, they gave her a wig.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think they just, like, gave her, like, a blowout. So her hair is, like, straighter, but, like, her natural hair is curlier and it looks more like the animated version.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so weird why they would do that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think people are saying it's probably because the green screen with, like, the curls and the texture would probably be harder to, like, make sure the green screen was interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's a lot of green screen mama ever.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm worried that's true. Well, I think it'll like.

[Darian]

The trailer was good.

[Trisha Paytas]

I liked it too. I did over here.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's the demographic.

[Trisha Paytas]

My kids loved it. My 3 year old is like, I want to see this. She does get excited, honestly, I think with kids. I mean, she's very young, so like, she'll know. Maybe kids are more harder critic. But she was gagged for it. She was seated. She wants to rewatch the trailer. So. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's. I think it'll do well.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it'll still do well, but yeah, I feel like people will be really hard on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

And they gave authentic to like the casting, you know what I mean? Like Thanksgiving, which is. Is good. And I think people appreciate that. It's not like they're giving it to Zac Efron or something. I don't know. I don't know who else would be up for it, but I think that's an important thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

McKenna Grace as Moana. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

At least it's, you know, giving authentic lemon while Miranda's gonna be in it. He always has a little cameo and stuff that he does.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. Wasn't he supposed to. What did he do the music for or no. Oh, Moana too. He didn't even do them. They didn't even bring him back to do the music for it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. Why?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know.

[Darian]

I think he was busy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Was that it? They just. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

How do you know that?

[Darian]

Because I remember. I remember when he said he was

[Trisha Paytas]

just too busy to do it. Was he busy doing. Oh, was he doing Encanto, maybe? No, I don't know. I'm just made that up. He's busy. I know he is busy. I'm not saying. He's not saying. How do you know that? I love that?

[Darian]

Because I remember back then I was like. We talked about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

High money probably was enough money for him. He's probably. I wrote the big hits you guys wanted to. Was not as good. Moana. Not as catchy. Anyways.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, the music wasn't as good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then the other media news I have is they released the first look at the Harry Potter HBO series.

[Trisha Paytas]

How do we like it?

[Darian]

He's so excited.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know mixed feelings about it because,

[Trisha Paytas]

like, you love Harry Potter.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't even.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't. You don't love them.

[Moses Hacmon]

I watched them all and I read all the books, like growing up, but my attachment to it isn't as fierce as like Twilight or Hunger Games. Like really all the franchises like the YA franchises. I would say Hunger Games my number one Twilight a close second.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Harry Potter away always down as a third. Like not even super close.

[Trisha Paytas]

Harry Potter was always my number one. Like I. I like loved Harry Potter as a kid. I love the books, I love the movies. I remember sending in my casting tape to be. I know it's problematic but I didn't know at the time Cho Chang I really because he Harry liked her right in Goblet of Fire and he's like. And she was like loved by Cedric and Harry. And I was like oh I would love to be here. I envisioned myself I would act it out at home. Did not know she was your self tape or I did a self tape. I would give anything I wish. I don't know if my mom hasn't thrown away whatever but I did a self tape on a VHS and sent it over to Harry Potter in. In England. Like I literally sent it to. I I know I looked up like casting because I knew the how they were casting extras and I was like I'm available. I'm in London. Like I did a whole thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm available. Yeah, I'm in London.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I said I was London based. No. But my dad flew me over once before to see Michael Jackson actually. And I was like oh, I could maybe go over there again if I get this. I told my dad I auditioned like it was a whole thing. And there was. I mean by the way this was an unsolicited casting tape. They did not give me sides. I literally just acted out scenes from the book and I, I did not know. I did not know she was supposed to be Asian. But yeah, full circle. I wanted to be here so bad. When I saw they announced a casting for I remember like oh no, that would have been the dream world. She was desired by all those men, you know, boys I guess. And even in the movie when I saw Goblet of Fire is my favorite book and favorite movie and I remember seeing it so good and just like the movie really just brought it to life. Like when she's down there and Harry thinks he's supposed to go save her but it was actually Cedric so I was like oh my God, who did he save? Who did Harry save? Was it Ron?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think so. Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. So like Hermione is down there for the Russian guy and then Cho Chang's down there for the other one. The sister's there for the other one. And then Ron's there for Harry. I'm gonna let you drown, you know what I mean? Like I wouldn't be there for it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why is Ronald Weasley catching strays?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. He kind of. He has always was a little annoying, huh? He's a little whiny. I love Terrify. I loved Harry Potter. Like that's what makes me so sad. Jk Ronnie. I mean we used to go to like Universal. I'd get everyone outfits based on their house. Do you remember what house you were? Moses.

[Darian]

The Green.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Darian]

The snakes.

[Trisha Paytas]

The green is crazy. What's it called?

[Darian]

Slytherin.

[Moses Hacmon]

Good job.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who's the headmaster over there, you know?

[Darian]

The only names I know is like Malfoy or Mel.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, he was a Slytherin. Yeah. He's my competition Tonight at the iHeartRadio Full Circle Red hair and hand me down robes. You must be a Weasley. I love. I've cosplayed as Draco a bunch of times. He's still over there right now performing so in Cursed Child. So I think he's not gonna be available tonight.

[Darian]

We used to make tick tocks to the sound which one of the guy that is on top of like the. He passed away I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Nate. Oh, Snape. Yes, Professor Snape. Do you remember.

[Darian]

Oh man. It's a like do you something obviously.

[Trisha Paytas]

Obviously I forgot that one too. But yeah, you are a Snape. You did dress up as him. I love that you didn't even know who it was. What house are you? Hufflepuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

See, I give inauthenticity because anytime I would do the quizzes or whatever. Like I love snakes obviously. So I would like I would kind of just trick it. Yeah. I would steer towards like I'm a Slytherin. Yeah. So I don't know what I would

[Trisha Paytas]

ask actually be you give Hufflepuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was going to say maybe Ravenclaw cuz they read books. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

I loved Ravenclaw cuz Cho Chang was Ravenclaw. I want to be her. So I was always Ravenclaw too. And I do like the blue of Ravenclaw.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So I aesthetically I'd want to choose Slytherin I guess also like I love being you know like it's kind of fun. Like it'd be a off in the Slytherin dorms for sure. Me versus the evil little girls. I'd be like girl, it's a reading. The reading challenge is on. That'd be everything actually I would Be read. Yeah, me and Joey Gruff are reading each other in the Slytherin dorms.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was he into Harry Potter?

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm sure he was. I'm about give Joey vibes.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't remember like a cosplay of Harry. He loved Hunger Games too. He was. I feel like your generation seemed to like Hunger Games more. And my generation definitely was Harry Potter because like I'm the same age as like Daniel Ratcliffe. So that kind of makes sense that we'd be like.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean I love like I remember reading the books and going to like the midnight book things at Barnes and Noble.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh God.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like my mom would take me and I remember like seeing all the movies. I remember literally the exact theater where I saw the first and second movies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean I just googled Joey Graceffa Harry Potter and he does cosplay a lot. Yeah, who's he been? I mean he just wears the robes. So I guess he's joined Christopher as a Gryffindor.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's trying to also be cast in those movies.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean if Zoella and her brother could be in them, I guess you guys could have technically been in them too.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is one I definitely just like, I cannot support. I just feel like, ah, just openly transphobic time and time again. And the creator is the books. Right. Like I feel like people like, oh, let's separate it from there. But she's so heavily involved in the show too. Very involved, problematic. And I just. It's important and it sucks. I really love. I had so much merch. I had so much like. Like I love them and it's just like really, really sucks. It was like my love for Woody Allen too. It's like you just have to stop watching those movies. It's like, damn, I can't even appreciate him anymore because it's like, yeah, awful.

[Moses Hacmon]

We'll see how. I'm sure it'll end up. This is to be a little cynical, but I'm sure it'll end up doing well because I feel like usually. Yeah, I mean same for Scream. Like so all I saw was so many people saying they weren't gonna see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But it made the most money out of all the screams.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is people. I don't care. Like you said, there's like, there's the feminist woke liberal people with morals and then the rest of the world.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because Harry Potter is like so much about like, you know, the disenfranchise and like the underdog and such thing. But yeah, the comments are all very positive so far in The. On the trailer, it comes out Christmas 2026. I guess people are saying it has, like, a lot of the details from the books that they're looking for. They do have, like eight hours instead of two. So obviously they're gonna be putting the little things in there. But aesthetically it looks so similar that I'm like, Like, like, the sets look this the same. The. It all just looks so similar.

[Trisha Paytas]

Twenty years later, everything gets recycled. I saw they're doing a 13 going at 30, and I was like, didn't that movie just come out? I feel like that's new. Like, why are we. Jennifer Garner is still alive. Mark Ruffalo is still making movies. Like, I don't understand why they're redoing these things. No original ideas.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. That's why, like, for Hannah Montana, I'm kind of glad she just did the special and not like, like a reboot or like a spin off, like, her having a daughter who's a pop star. Because I feel like that's what everyone does.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess people like it. Like the Raven's home one got like five seasons or something. So I guess people.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wizards has another season coming too, with.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right. I guess people just like it. I guess they know, like, people want to reboot, I guess. But I just love. I guess I gag with original material. I just like that so much better these days.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would gag if Miley did museum music. Like, if she did another album that's like half Hannah Montana, half Miley Cyrus, I would be probably the most active, really, Because I love Hannah Montana's music. I like them both. But the A four minute album for me was Hannah Montana to meet Miley Cyrus. It was a gag because you flip it over and it's Miley, then you flip it back and it's Hannah and still have it probably in my garage.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I still have it. And that was. That was a gag. And also the discography was fierce. Like, there was. It's unskippable. I dare say it's one of the. The formative, unskippable albums of my.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. What song for Miley was the best one?

[Moses Hacmon]

I love? Start all over, see you again. That's on the Miley side.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I think I know those songs. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

My best friend Leslie said, oh, she's just being Miley.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yes. That's iconic.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's iconic. And Hannah Montana, that's the one that had nobody's perfect. But I love Rockstar. And that's also Tar Yummy's favorite song. Rockstar yeah. So old blue jeans.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, I'm with you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Stand in solidarity.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love this. And I love everyone's. I do love when people are just, like, passionate about something, even if I don't get it. I'm like, I want to get it because it does look so fun. But, you know, you can't force hyper fixations. That's what I've learned.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is very true.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know? You know you want to. Sometimes you're like, I really want to be into this, and you just can't. And it was kind of giving heated rivalry. Like, I really wanted to be into it, and I, like, liked it. It was good. I just couldn't get into, like, the fandom of it all. But I understand it, and I like that people are passionate about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I am, like, a bystander of heated rivalry. I like the actors. Like, I think they're really fun and talented and, like, funny. Like, I think Hudson Williams is, like, really funny because he's kind of like a troll.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But the show, I did buy the book even, because I'm like, let me really get into this tea. But not.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not into it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I think for me also, like, I feel a little like, oh, just everyone's so hot. Hot.

[Trisha Paytas]

And that's me, like, Lulu and Beaches doing a reunion. I'm like, I never got into it because I. I think it was the Hills. And I never got into. Because I was probably just, like, wanted to be them. They were skinny and living in la, and I was like, they'll never be me, so I'm not gonna watch this. So I feel the same.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Anyone seen it for Laguna Beach Reunion?

[Moses Hacmon]

I was thinking that, too. I was like, especially right now. There's a lot going on. We got Hannah Montana. There's, like, a lot in pop culture right now. If it was slow, maybe, and it's on the Roku channel, of all things,

[Trisha Paytas]

but we love you, Roku, in case you want to pick up my movie. But, yeah, that's a sign of the times. But, like, a Talon who's looking for his updates, you know what I mean? Is that his name? Talent? I just saw some random person like Talon, and I was like, who the is this?

[Moses Hacmon]

Laguna beach, also very formative to me, but even for me as someone who lived, I literally had every dvd. Like, I had the box set of every season. I would watch it, like, just on repeat. That's how much I loved it. And I would talk like them and

[Trisha Paytas]

like, let's hear your Laguna Beach.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, my favorite scene that I Remember forever. And this was my password for the longest time. Time from, like, eighth grade to, like, high school, when Kristen goes, oh, you guys, my car is like, Dunzo. And like, I remember that.

[Trisha Paytas]

She was so annoying with that. They were annoying.

[Moses Hacmon]

I live. Do you ever.

[Trisha Paytas]

I remember the scene where they were going to make dinner. Do you remember that? Where they're going to buy the recipes. And they were talking. So, like, oh, my God. Like, Jessica, like, you got. No, we're gonna, like, totally do that tonight. Like, I hated the way she talked. Hated it.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, Adopted all those. Man. Yes. My password forever was Dunzo, though, Like, for everything. Never got hacked. Surprisingly, my MySpace. I don't know. I guess someone could hack it. I don't remember.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is. I hated it. I remember they got, like, a little, like. They got literally, like, two strips of chicken for the pasta, and it was like, they're making some weird fettuccine. I was like, I love that you remember that. Well, I guess I've seen clips. I ever. I never watched the show, but I would see clips, and I'm like, this show is so weird. Or the extensions. They were getting extensions from prom. And it's just.

[Moses Hacmon]

I remember eighth grade, like, the girls and I would sit at recess after, like, the day after it aired on MTV. Like, literally recess. Like, 9am we would sit, like, on the stairs, and we would be like, so what did you guys think, honey?

[Trisha Paytas]

It was like, that's so funny. I don't know. We're gonna come up. I probably need some bikinis.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, I just remember girls were disgusting, Having intellectual discussions. Me, Claudia, Nicole, we were also. We were sitting there. I remember the group. Katrina was in there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

A lot of friends.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know exactly where we sat. Sat, like, on the stairs in front of the classroom. And we would sit there and we would debrief because we would have to discuss.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess you were close to Laguna beach, so you're kind of like, oh, it's our area.

[Moses Hacmon]

Kind of. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It seems so far.

[Moses Hacmon]

The hills was closer, but, yeah, that's true.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're like, oh, I know that area.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's in high school. I would be like, I want to go to Fidham. Don't care about style. Don't have any style. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you ever watch the Valley?

[Moses Hacmon]

Now there's a Valley.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like a spin off of, like, Vanderpump Rules. I want to say, like, J. Jax, he had.

[Moses Hacmon]

He opened a bar in, like, North Hollywood.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think, who the hell wants watch that show? Nobody wants to Watch that. Is it still on? Did you ever watch it?

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't watch.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so curious to know, like, what the hell is in North Hollywood that they're filming. Love it. Salsa and beer.

[Moses Hacmon]

His bar, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, but they, like, live. They had a house there in the Valley, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

They opened a bar there, and that was modern farmhouse.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's the bar?

[Moses Hacmon]

I have no idea. Jax's. I don't know know.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's awful. I don't know anything about any of

[Moses Hacmon]

those people, but you should open your own bar.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're on alcohol part.

[Moses Hacmon]

If you. Why haven't you got into a restaurant tour?

[Trisha Paytas]

I would love. Well, I feel like that's hard to have a restaurant.

[Darian]

There's not an easy business, really. Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's a little movie theater that we love that just closed down. Some priority bought it, but it's like, literally right here at the end of the street and it's like this old, old movie theater. I wanted to buy it so bad and turn it like a little cabaret. Kind of like a Club Cummings, where it's just like me every night, see, singing, having a little cabaret moment.

[Moses Hacmon]

I just remember now that you said that you get. You reminded me like Beyonce's mom, Ms. Tina. Her restaurant just got shut down or something because they had the seafood. They left the seafood out, like shrimp or something. It was like in a. A freezer box, like, left outside. And they just shut down her restaurant. So it is hard. And then your name is on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Trisha's restaurant shut down for mice or something. It's over.

[Trisha Paytas]

That would happen to me. The mice. The mice are everywhere. Just kidding. We don't have mice anymore, I think because we fixed our little roof. Now I feel like the mice are not coming in. Stay outside. Mice don't come in here. We would rather have mice or lice

[Darian]

just because they're rhyme.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, lice are awful, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, how many mice are you talking about?

[Trisha Paytas]

Would you rather have mice constantly in and out of the house, or would you rather have lice? Let's say mice in and out of house. The house six months of the year. Or lice six months of the year?

[Darian]

If you have m mice for six months, you're probably going to get lice after that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or like scabies or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think that's more. No. Yeah. The mice don't bring lice in this scenario.

[Moses Hacmon]

And do I see the mice or are they, like, up where maybe a

[Trisha Paytas]

little tail goes by?

[Darian]

Choose the mice. I don't want lice on my body. I can fend myself from the mice. I'll just build like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I agree.

[Darian]

Yeah. I don't want anything on my body.

[Trisha Paytas]

Had lice a couple times is not too bad. Just shave your head.

[Moses Hacmon]

But then it's. Don't you have to, like, get rid of all your bedding or something? Yeah, easy peasy for you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Easy peasy.

[Moses Hacmon]

You have to take down the whole faux fur.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I don't think it's going to jump that far.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're very close to it. It would.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it's got to, like, live on hair.

[Moses Hacmon]

Faux fur is. Is giving that living, living, living.

[Darian]

All the wigs you have. Just getting rid of all those wigs.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did have to throw out my wig when I had it as a kid. Had an Annie wig and everyone shared it and it gave lice to everybody.

[Moses Hacmon]

Spice or Annie it get.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what, Jimmy, remind me to send you that photo. There's one of me with the wig. And I remember, like, my cousins who come out here, they all shared it and they all got, like, lice from me, and I was like, I'm so sorry. And then we had to throw it out. And I loved it. It was giving both. It was giving ice. It was giving that. Yeah, it was giving that ice spice up there. We were so young in that photo. The Dunkin Donuts one.

[Moses Hacmon]

So full of life.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, we were so happy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Didn't have a lot going on at that time. Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think we talked about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just says. I remember because I would plan these outfits. Extravagant shoes, photo shoots, note cards. I was, like, prepared every day.

[Darian]

Like Frankie Paul, season one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But it's better even now. We're doing more things. We're grooving and shaking.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think at that time, you would be. I think you literally told me once, like, I know you're busier than me. This is all I got going on.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Isn't that crazy? I know. I think about that now, where this is like. Yeah, it's still a priority, but it is one of the last things I think. Yeah, no. Wow. I think we only had Malibu at the time. Oh, my God. We were just so. I had so much time and.

[Darian]

Let me show them what you guys are talking about.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. Just analyzing. Wow. Look how happy we all look. So happy. Wow. Love. That was a great time. Moses made that. That's so funny, actually, that necklace. The organizers were here and there was a trash pile, and Moses saw that necklace in the trash pile.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that used to Be in the museum. That's what he's saying. Like, that's iconic.

[Darian]

That's handmade.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like, you can at least poshmark silver.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, not even posh. I think it has to be in the museum. It's so iconic.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you say gave it? Yes, I put it in the trash. God Moses was like, wait, this?

[Moses Hacmon]

And I was like, that is like,

[Darian]

there's a difference between things I made. This is a piece of artwork.

[Trisha Paytas]

Babe, you make a lot of things. I don't keep every single thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's like one of the memes that has, like, lived on forever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I was impressed that you could make that. That is very cool. All right. I just throw away everything when there's organizer. I'm like, take everything out. Moses, like, micromanages behind me. He's like, no, not that. Like, little, like. Like toys. And I'm like, we have so many toys. Like, no, the kids will want it. I'm like, we're never gonna get rid of anything. But behind. You should go look where we do our Patreon. Well, maybe we'll see if we do it down here. I don't know if we're going up or down, but that whole thing is cleared out. Wow. Yeah, you can, like, walk to the printer now.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's major.

[Trisha Paytas]

It took us like, eight hours yesterday to do it, but we love her. Our organizer. Can't wait to organize the rest of our house. Gonna be so great. Well, you guys, I may come back Monday morning as an award show award recipe.

[Moses Hacmon]

It could go either way. Huh?

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you think that someone presenting it. It probably won't. Wouldn't I even be a. It'd probably be like, before the red carpet, like, okay, you won the award or you think there's a presenter.

[Moses Hacmon]

I hope it's like, that would be so fun. I mean, if they know you're coming and if you do win, then I feel like it'd be so gaggy for you to be on the tv because who?

[Trisha Paytas]

I would love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because I wonder. Like, I mean, obviously they have Miley and Taylor, but, like, who else is going to be there?

[Trisha Paytas]

Just me.

[Darian]

I mean, when you look at the categories, there's only a few that are like, all the famous people after that, these. It's like, you know, tour photographer, things like that. Those things are probably not going to be on tv, so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because I know Cat's Eye was really going hard for tour photographer. They're tour photographers nominated, really. They're campaigning hard, but they're in South America. So they're not going to be there.

[Trisha Paytas]

The photographer might be.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's true. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And this was one of the only fan photo. There was three fan voted categories or was there more? How many categories? No, there were a few or they're all fan voted.

[Darian]

No, the major ones that I saw, I just don't know. Maybe they have other categories that were not listed it because they're not for voting. But the voting, you know, it was like best song, best music video, best dance, best. I told you. It's like bad bunny.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wonder if he's gonna be there. Probably not. If I would know Taylor. Miley. Pretty big though, so I'll take it.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is gaggy.

[Darian]

Yeah, it's so funny. Clip. Is that where they are now? Oscar? Somebody was like,

[Trisha Paytas]

Say hi to my love. What is it? What is it? What's happening?

[Moses Hacmon]

That was in South America. The they're getting in the van to like leave and the fans are just yelling from outside and they said say hi to Mano and then Megan goes. She ducks. Everyone are like, oh, did you say

[Trisha Paytas]

if Oscar's there though? What did you say?

[Darian]

No, I said if. That's what he meant. That's where they are.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, it just ended. They had like all those lollapaloozas where like Chapel is and everything and Sabrina and Addison. Yeah, I think it just ended. But I don't know if they came back yet. We have to track them or if they're there. That'll be fierce if you see them again.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cat ey.

[Moses Hacmon]

Hey, girls, it's you and Taylor and Cat ey.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I know all them and they know each other. Cuz the choreographer used to dance for Taylor. It's a whole synchronicity girl.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

The girls and I feel like those are all people that I I like respect. But like not super fans. I could be normal.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hey, girls.

[Moses Hacmon]

Good to see you again. Mama. Oh, you look so good. Taylor, you're serving.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, this is all me.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know, I know. It's this big red wig, but yeah, this is. This is all mine.

[Trisha Paytas]

Am I wearing red tomorrow?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I just saw a big red wig in there, so I assumed that was the one for tomorrow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tanner said the same thing. What is that for? It was just an old wig I've had for so long. That's so funny.

[Moses Hacmon]

It looked like.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

It looked like a special piece. I'm like, oh, whoa. It was on like a sparkly mannequin head. I was like, oh, this must be the award look.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, but the flies and the Beatles.

[Trisha Paytas]

I hope. I don't know. I don't know if she had the memo. There was flies on my outfit when I asked for Beatles, and I was like, well, the Beatles were cute. The flies. Most of they didn't look bad, or. No, you like the Beatles when I showed you the pants?

[Darian]

Both. But the. The flies didn't look bad, but I

[Trisha Paytas]

was like, I don't know. Anyways, we'll see.

[Darian]

They blend well. At the beginning, I thought they were, like little plastic flies on your pants or something, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's kind of everything, though, too.

[Darian]

They look still good, you guys.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, that's it. Oh, I hope you didn't take that package away. I hope it's not that package. The outfit.

[Darian]

Was that supposed to come?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Darian]

In the mail.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, babe, we'll figure that out. Let's go make some dirty sodas. We'll go make dirty sodas and play our influencer game. I can't wait. I'm really bad at this game. I did this with Gigi on her podcast, too. The first episode I forgot about. Oh, my God, it was so awesome.

[Moses Hacmon]

Honestly, both of y' all were sucking. Like, she wasn't giving you many clues. Like, it was a mess.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was a mess, but I loved it, so I can't wait to play it. All right, guys, we'll see you over on the Patreon. Patreon.com. just Trish, remember, this is just for entertainment purposes. Nothing is being taken seriously. No legal action required. Love you. Bye.