Draft Episode for May 12, 2026

Summary

Just Trish – May 12, 2026: “Euphoria Cameos, Birthday Vibes, and Dragging James Charles”

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Episode Overview

In this lively and typically unfiltered episode, Trisha Paytas—joined by co-hosts Oscar Gracie and Moses Hacmon—recaps a whirlwind birthday and Mother’s Day weekend. The episode moves from personal milestones to pop culture happenings, including Trisha’s cameo on “Euphoria,” her Benihana “Trish Trio” meal collab, and the escalating Internet drama surrounding James Charles. The hosts' signature blend of lighthearted storytelling and biting cultural critique makes this an engaging listen for fans of influencer gossip, reality TV, and social commentary.

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Major Topics and Timestamps

1. Weekend Recap – Birthdays, Family, and Upcoming England Trip

[02:00 – 03:00]

• Trisha turns 38: “Older and wiser. 38, baby. 38 years old.” [01:52]
• Family celebrations: Karaoke, birthday parties, Mother’s Day, and the upcoming trip to England for a sold-out event.

2. Benihana “Trish Trio” Collab — Childhood Full Circle

[03:00 – 14:00]

• Major Announcement: Trisha’s new Benihana meal, “Trish Trio.”
  • “This is the biggest thing that’s ever happened to me. Personally. I don't think anything gets bigger than this. I have my first ever meal and really the only meal that matters to me, the Trish Trio at Benny!” [04:03]
• Benihana love story:
  • Childhood memories, family tradition, pandemic stories, being “Trishfluenced”
  • Tips/hacks for ordering (vegetable fried rice for the freshest batch; double order for leftovers)
  • Cooking in the commercial: “Best day of my entire life. I was beaming.” [14:02]
• Touring Southern California Benihanas all week.

3. Trisha’s Euphoria Cameo — Behind-the-Scenes & Real Talk

[15:00 – 22:00]

• Trisha’s raw, mostly improvised cameo as “video podcaster #3”
  • “They literally like, you’re just going to interview Cassie. So there is probably like an hour long podcast, not even kidding…” [16:25]
• On acting with Sydney Sweeney/Cassie:
  • “She just started like crying the way her, like, eyes were filling up…and I was like, wow, I really crushed it.” [21:41]
• Oscar and Moses rave about her confused and funny “Okay” line: “It contained multitudes, I believe.” — Moses [19:04]
• Calls for “Release the Trish Cut” of the Euphoria podcast scene.

4. Euphoria Season & Pop Culture Dive

[22:50 – 39:00]

• Reflections on Euphoria’s shocking episode, cast performances, and controversial storylines
  • “It is absurd and outrageous and entertaining. I think the first two episodes a little slow, but post wedding and on have been a wild ride.” — Moses [29:54]
  • “Zendaya has won twice…” — Moses [37:00]
• Euphoria’s relatable main cast; musings on method acting and main character energy

5. Adulting: Housing, Minimalism, and Family Dynamics

[39:41 – 63:20]

• Oscar's moving journey: “It's an ever-evolving process. What happened? … Boxes to go through.” [39:45]
• Trisha’s transformation from hoarding to minimalist; cake/present stories for Mother’s Day & birthday
• Discussion on living with parents as adults, family cultural norms:
  • “If there's a whole basement, I'm gonna definitely move in there. I'm gonna redecorate it.” [62:53]
  • Care for aging parents—homes, caretakers, and cultural differences in elder care

6. HOT TOPIC: James Charles’ Spirit Airlines/GoFundMe Scandal

[65:43 – 133:25]

• Trisha and Moses tear into James Charles for his now-viral TikTok shaming Spirit Airlines worker’s GoFundMe:
  • “I hate James Charles. I don't know why that tickles me so much. I actually did. Do I actually despise him more than any other creator? Number one enemy of the show.” — Trisha [67:16]
• Systematic rundown of James’s controversies, apologies (and non-apologies), and ongoing negative behavior:
  • “If the most stressful and annoying part of your job is that sometimes strangers will ask you for money, baby, count your blessings.” — Moses [90:23]
  • “...You're not contributing to society. You're not helping the Internet. You're not inspiring others. You're yelling at your fans… It's not cute.” — Trisha [67:16-74:43+
  • Discussion of tipping debacle at Coachella (James not tipping food workers): “You are a millionaire and you can't tip?” [94:05]
• Recap of old controversies: underage sexting scandals, lawsuits, and questionable employer behavior (“asked her to shave his butt”).
  • “If you ask someone to shave your butt that’s not your partner, you’re a creep.” — Trisha [129:33]

7. Quick Hits:

[116:14 – 122:45]

• MrBeast, Adele, and pop culture “famous birthdays”
• Jake Shane’s Kacey Musgraves lyric “controversy” and the shifting influencer climate:
  • “If you’re getting styled head to toe, you’re hanging out with Kris Jenner, that’s a key lane you’re gonna pick.” — Moses [122:11]
• Reflections on influencer privilege, accountability, and the need for gratitude.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Benihana Collab:
  • “To me, this is like a baby announcement. To me, this is like a big deal.” — Trisha [04:16]
• On Euphoria Cameo:
  • “I was playing video podcaster number three. That was me on the call sheet. Oh.” — Trisha [20:30]
  • “Release the Trish cut. Hashtag, release the Trish cut.” — Trisha [21:37]
• Tipping & Privilege:
  • “If you have the means to, like, give a couple hundred dollars to someone, it’s like, why wouldn’t you?” — Trisha [91:39]
• On James Charles:
  • “You're the trash of the Internet. And it's out there forever.” — Trisha [103:38]
• On influencer entitlement:
  • “I am never going to be one of those influencers that gets online and pretends to be poor so I can come across as relatable to my audience.” — Moses, quoting James Charles [86:02]
• On main character energy:
  • “I kind of liked that. And I love just being like, main character energy. I am the star of Euphoria. You know what I mean?” — Trisha [25:00]
• On adulting & living with parents:
  • “I think you should live with your parents for as long as possible.” — Trisha [59:31]

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Key Themes & Takeaways

• Influencer Privilege vs. Real Life:
  The contrast between influencer excess (lavish meals, PR stunts) and the struggles of everyday people (job loss, GoFundMe for emergencies) is a recurring theme. Trisha and Moses argue for empathy, accountability, and humility—especially when online personalities amass power and wealth with little oversight.

• Internet Drama as Collective Ritual:
  The ritual roasting of James Charles serves as both entertainment and catharsis. The hosts call out his lack of growth, pattern of harmful behavior, and the industry’s complicity in allowing repeat offenders to thrive.

• “Main Character” Moments:
  Trisha unapologetically embraces her moment in the spotlight, whether that’s through her own meal, her Euphoria cameo, or family celebrations. The podcast often blends humor with heartfelt moments, reminding listeners that “not taking yourself too seriously” is a power move.

• The Importance of Family & Everyday Joys:
  For all the drama, much of the episode celebrates family bonds, traditions, and “simple pleasures,” from a Benihana meal to making a birthday cake to the ritual of moving house.

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Engaging, Recurring Segments

• “Trish Hacks:” Benihana ordering plus fried rice hacks, tips for maximizing leftovers [04:00–13:00]
• Pet Cameos: Oscar’s cat “Cheese” locked into Trisha’s Euphoria scene [15:23]
• “Enemies of the Show:” James Charles now occupies the top spot
• “Hot Topics:” Fast takes on social media storms, influencer interviews, and viral moments

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For Further Listening/Viewing

• Watch the Euphoria cameo and “Trish Cut” calls on social; check Trisha’s Instagram
• Benihana “Trish Trio” available for a limited time—catch Trisha at a Southern California Benihana this week
• Extended, more unfiltered takes on Patreon

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Conclusion

The May 12, 2026 episode of Just Trish is a whirlwind blend of food, family, fame, and fiery hot takes. Fans looking for both the “tea” and Trisha’s genuine heart will find plenty to love—plus multiple hilarious moments, inside jokes, and the promise of even more chaos to come.

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Highlights by Timestamp:

• 02:00 – Birthday weekend wrap-up
• 04:00 – Benihana “Trish Trio” announcement
• 15:00 – Euphoria cameo behind-the-scenes, pet reactions
• 39:41 – Moving and minimalist living
• 65:43 – Deep dive: James Charles Spirit Airlines, privilege, and community outrage
• 116:14 – MrBeast vs. Adele, influencer birthdays, Jake Shane Kacey Musgraves lyric kerfuffle

Memorable Quote:
“I think officially enemy number one. Yeah, he was a nuisance number one for sure. But he got upgraded.” — Trisha (on James Charles) [133:25]

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Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses Hacmon]

I know Sam Levinson's been hinting that he wants it to go forward, but I just don't know who else from the cast is also on the same page. But you are.

[Trisha Paytas]

Let me know. Her name is trish. Filthy rich hot topic. Yay. Before we end today's episode, thank you to Olipop for sponsoring today's episode of Just Trish. Enjoy the Hot Topics. It's Monday morning. It's Monday morning, and we are feeling older and wiser. Older and wiser. 38, baby. 38 years old.

[Oscar Gracie]

3 8.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Love that. And someone mentioned 20. 26 is 2 plus 2. Oh, 2 plus 6 is 8.

[Oscar Gracie]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like to ever mention that, but I got it wrong. Yes, it's eight. We love eights. We love. We love eights. We love everything. We love. Life is good. Yeah, we had a great weekend. It's going to be such a good vibe today. We had such a good weekend. Birth, everything went great. Family was here. Birthday, Mother's Day, 70th birthday. Yeah, there was just so. Yeah, we're celebrating Elvis's birthday this week, which is really exciting. And England is next week. I'm going to England next week, which is crazy. There's still a few tickets. Like, I think there's like, a few tickets left for the royal seats that are unleashed. But other than that, it's like, all sold out, so I'm so excited. I'm feeling so confident. My dad, yesterday we did karaoke and he's like, have you been taking voice lessons? And I'm like, actually, I have been. I have been going so hard. So Sam, I think his last name. Sui. Sam Sui. I think I'm Saying it right. And Casey, who are our friends, their daughter Alaya comes over here for parties. We go with party friends. We love them so much. They're amazing vocalists. They were in the Whiff and Poofs. They're. They're so, you know, he sings. Casey sings with like the LA Symphonic. I don't know. He sings with like 100 piece orchestra. They're the most amazing people ever. And we met them through, like, parties because we have kids around the same age and they're so good. So they've been coming over to give me voice lessons. They gave me a voice lesson last week and I feel so confident now. Oh, my God, just wait till you guys hear me live. And they were like, wait, you're actually good. And I think it's because of them. They were helping me sing through my face and not through my voice. I get to feel the vibration. I really want to do a video, like a singing lesson video with them because they're also just amazing. They're amazing singers. They sing like Defying Gravity. They're just like beautiful singers and they're also beautiful people. They're like so nice and they make. They didn't make me feel judged. So anyways, all that to say, come see me at Royal Brahami 24th. Vibes are great. And before we get like too far into it too, you guys, the big announcement, which you guys saw yesterday, if you follow me on social media, this is the biggest thing that's ever happened to me. Personally. I don't think anything gets bigger than this. I have my first ever meal and really the only meal that matters to me, the Trish Trio at Benny. Did you know?

[Moses Hacmon]

No. I mean, I knew something Benihana, but I didn't know the specific way.

[Trisha Paytas]

How did you know that? I told you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Yeah,

[Trisha Paytas]

okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

You didn't know. You were like, I have a super secret thing with Benihana coming up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, did I say that? Oh, my gosh. I know. I want to always surprise you too, because I feel like you always know everything I want to surprise. Honestly, Trish Crave didn't know. I'm going to just shout out Trish Crave. Trish Crave had someone, one of the Benihana people that worked at Benihana, at the location. We did a shout out, Newport Beach. They had taken a picture and it was open. It was open when we did the commercial. So people were there. So they were taking pictures. They posted. And then I don't know how Trish Crave knew, but they're like, oh, Trish has a collab with Benihana. And I was like, oh, my God, how did you know? And I was like, to me, this is like a baby announcement. To me, this is like a big deal. So I was like, can you just, like, take it down? I really want it to be, like, a surprise. And he was so sweet. So once again, Aiden, I will give you. I will give you your exclusive. And he's. He's so nice. He's always so nice to do it. And usually I don't mind when things get leaked. Like, obviously the hacks. There was background actors that took pictures and stuff like that, but this was, like, everything. So. But thank you, Aiden, for always supporting Trish Crave and all that stuff like that. So go to Benihana. That's why I have to do these podcasts earlier, because I'm going to a different Benihana every day this week in Southern California. So we're going to an Encino one. Santa Monica, Arcadia, Anaheim, Newport Beach, Temecula. We mapped them out. We're going to all of them. So every day this week. Catch me at a Benihana. Catch me at a Benihana this week. I am so excited. I literally was texting my mom. I'm like, do you want to drive, like, an hour and a half to go to Arcadia Benihana? I was like, yeah, like, of course. Like, let's go. My sister, too, was like, let's go to the Santa Monica. Like, we're. We're going to the Encina one. So obviously. So that's why I started earlier, because I was like, you know, we got to make sure we get there. But anyways, I'm so excited. It is my favorite meal. I feel like maybe there's a. Maybe. Maybe Jimmy already did the compilation because I did a vlog, but there's like a compilation of me ordering. I order one thing from Benihana, and that is the Benihana Trio, and they renamed it Trish Trio, I think for like, a limited time. I don't know if this is, like a permanent. I'm assuming these little inserts are just temporary. But hey, I don't know how long it's gonna be there. Go. I want to go to the Vegas one. That one is the five story one. Maybe I'll try and go this weekend before I go to England. I don't know. But yeah, I love the Betty Honchiro so much. It's filet mignon, it's chicken, it's shrimp, and the vegetable fried rice. Which usually doesn't come with the Benihana trio, but this comes with the vegetable fried rice. Well, maybe it does. It does. But you have to ask for the vegetable trio. And I'll tell you why I get the vegetable fried rice. A little hack, if you're not getting the Trish trio is because they make all the fried rice together, and they usually do the chicken fried rice. But if you ask for vegetable fried rice, they make that first because they don't know if the chicken. If it's vegan or whatever, so they don't have the chicken contaminated, as opposed to veggie fried rice. So if you ask for it without the chicken, because the trio I get has the chicken. I get the. You get the fried rice first, so they serve you the fried rice first and then they make the chicken. So that's like a little hack. We do. You get it hot and fresh. And this one comes with the veggie fried rice, which is amazing because it already has, like, the chicken shrimp. And you can obviously just add that into your fried rice. And what's really special about this is they have new butters at Benihana and the truffle butter comes with mine, but they have other butter. They have the hot honey butter, and they had the. Was it lobster butter, I think. And it's like, really? That sounds lobster butter. Yeah, it was. I got to try all of them. And I did pick the truffle butter because I thought it just paired very nicely with the steak. But I. This is like. It does not get, like, honestly, it doesn't get bigger. I know people like dancing. This is. This is the biggest. This is. It does not. It does not get bigger, in my opinion, because this has been my childhood. This has been my Christmas with my dad, my Thanksgiving with my Uncle Joe. Like a celebration. Every pregnancy we go there, the first

[Oscar Gracie]

thing you talked about was banana.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Not to spoil anything in my book. My memoir, I'm Not Kidding, has such a big, big portion. How impactful Benihana was. How I found out. This is a little spoiler, I guess. But how I found out the quarantine was even happening was bettyhana. You remember this?

[Oscar Gracie]

I remember it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar Gracie]

And I felt so bad because I was like, I just met her and I wanted her to be happy and to get to the place she wanted.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. The sign on the Encino Benihana said I went at 11am I remember this so much. We had our first date on the 14th, 15th, Monday, March 16th, 2020. I pull up to the Encino Benihana. It's pouring rain that day and no cars are out. And I'm like, this is so weird. On Ventura Boulevard, no cars. I pull up to the Benihana and no one's there. And I was like, this is so odd. But, you know, I like to get there right when they open at 11am and there was a sign on the door, due to a global pandemic, we are closed. And I was like, what?

[Moses Hacmon]

Global pandemic?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah. I texted Moses. This is two days after knowing Moses. It was a global pandemic. No. Yeah, that's what I texted. I was like, oh, my God. I thought. I thought the world was ending because nobody was out. It kind of was. And I was like. I remember texting Moses, and I was so scared. I was, like, so shaken. I even tried calling Benihana because It was like, 11:15. I thought maybe take out. Maybe that could be.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Benny and Hana, baby number four, number five. If we end up adopting twins, that's gonna be it. If we do. And I don't know why, maybe those could be our names. But I called because I was like, I wanted to take out. I was. So there's more to the story. That's a little more like, you guys know my food, my food triggers. Okay. But there's more to the story because Moses on. Because of our first date went into a second day. I missed my Benihana date with my mom and sister on that Sunday, and they ended up ordering pizza. So then I was just annoyed, and I was like, now I have no one to go to Benihana with because I didn't want to sit there by myself. Although you go by yourself, it's kind of fun. You get to sit with seven other people, which is a key.

[Oscar Gracie]

Like, we just met. And then I hear this whole story about how upset she was about this thing. And I couldn't understand exactly what part is the upsetting part. And now I know it's the fact that she didn't go to Benihana at the beginning. I thought it was just that your mom and sister, like, you guys didn't get to go together somewhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, because I was late. Because you dropped me off late. We were supposed to go right at 11 when they opened. Moses drops me off at 11:30. Like, we didn't think you were coming back. So we're just gonna order pizza, that Papa John's already there. And I was like. So then I just was so annoyed. And Moses texted me, how about I hope the rest of your day Is in May. As I. Actually, it's not. Actually, it's not. Yes. And I did say that. And then he's like, well, I would have gone with you. I was like, no, no, it's already ruined. Like, just no. And then I'm like, I'm going to go the next day. It's fine. I'll just go Monday. Because I really wanted it. And it's. It's a. It was an addiction. And then the global pandemic hit and I didn't get the Benihana. And it's. It makes it. The story makes my memoir. Because there is just. It has such a tie to so much more layers.

[Oscar Gracie]

How we met.

[Trisha Paytas]

So get crying on the. Yes. That was Moses first impression. I remember I was. I know when I read early text, I was just so. I was so awful. I don't even know why you kept texting me. I was literally just like, no, actually, I think I was. I don't know. I don't what was happening.

[Oscar Gracie]

Anyway, I can testify to the Benihana importance in your life.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, I am like, we need to go. When I was pregnant, Malibu. We went three times a week. We sit there at 11am and sometimes you get like a private chef at 11am which tip your chefs if they're going to just cook for you, because that's a lot of work. They do the full show and stuff like that. And I remember, like, we would just go all the time. They'd give me like big sauces to take home. I think at the time it was like those hot sauces and stuff. Even in the commercial that comes out on Wednesday, I'm like going. They have like a to go cup of the truffle butter. And it's just. So you've been to Benihana?

[Moses Hacmon]

I did when I was Trish Fluence for my birthday in 2023, I think. Or no, 2022 for my birthday. Darian and I went to Benihana for my birthday. I think because you had just posted about the real story. Darian can testify. Yeah. And Encino.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Encino location is great. It's been there for a while, but I love it because they have the parking in the back, so it makes it easy to go. That is. So was it around the time? Because I think I influenced Kim Kardashian. Remember I posted. I was at Benny Hogan. I was pre.

[Moses Hacmon]

Pre Kim K, actually. Oh, she was 2023, I think, when

[Trisha Paytas]

we did the podcast.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So I was 2022.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Oh, my gosh. Wow. I really? Okay. Love that. I remember we posted, we had Benihana and the next day Kim Kardashian posted her kids at Benihana at the same location. And I was like.

[Moses Hacmon]

And with a little chef hat.

[Trisha Paytas]

With the little chef hat. Like mad. We had the chef hat too, which I love. I'm not a gatekeeper. I love, I love aids. Yes. Go get the Benny Han Trio. And if you're in Southern California, you might just see us at one of those. And I, I love it because also too, that's what getting me about Kim Kardashian's kids being there. Because it's like you really do sit with like eight other people. Like if you're two people, you're gonna sit with six other people. And that is kind of the fun of it. Like it's fun to have a private chef too when you go at like 11am but there is kind of fun. Like today we're going a little later because the podcast. So it'd be interesting too because you just get to see. And then do we tell people at the table? Because I influence people at the table, by the way.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that says Trish Trio. I'm Trish.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I wish my picture was on there. Should I bring up the commercial? I just like, that's me. Actually wear the. I think let me keep the chef coat. Maybe I could wear the chef coat today. I should actually. I should do some surprise appearances or start cooking for people.

[Oscar Gracie]

No, when we walk in, you should wear it. And we walk in, we're like, hi, we're here from the, from corporate. We want to. Yeah, we're here to monitor and you know, do a quality check to the Trish Trio.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're just happy to be a spokesperson enjoying this. I don't know. That might be a little, a little crazy, but I don't hate the idea. Maybe we'll try it. Next location. Encino's our home based location. I don't know if we want to be. They know us there. I've Trish fluenced people at the table as well, which I love that word. You should have coined it. You should trademark that. It's so good when we go because the other little. Like it's not a hack, but we saw someone do it one time. So I love the, the fried rice. Like we take it home. Like they give you boxes to take home and stuff like that. I will order double vegetable fried rice and then I make Moses order double. So we have four fried rices between us. And then people at the Table will be like, oh, how did you get two? And I was like, oh, no, you just can order two. And they're like, oh, my gosh. Like, we're gonna get two, too. So, like, you know, that's a little. A little hack. They'll be on. Will give you anything. They literally will, like, customize how you want, and they make it at your table, so it's great. Ari is my vegan friend, and she gets, like, tofu there. She the noodles, and they like it. They really are, like, so accommodating. They cook it first for her and stuff like that. There's so. There's so many options there. They cook it to how you like it. If you want extra butter, if you want extra spicy, they put the chicken to the side. Like, there's so many ways. Literally, it's. It's just the best. It makes me so happy, and I'm so excited. And I did the commercial, and I got to cook. I got to, like, flip the shrimp in my hat. Got to cook my own meal and stuff like that. It was so good. I probably had 20 fresh Trish trios to try because they want to make it fresh for the commercial. So I was. You'll see in the vlog, I was just mukbanging the whole day. It was so good.

[Oscar Gracie]

She was so good. She was like, this is the best day on my best day of my entire.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, best day of my entire life. I was beaming. Like, I wish he would have come with me that day because it was in Newport, so it was, like, a little far, but it's a beautiful occasion. I think that might have been one of the originals is Newport. It had all the original.

[Oscar Gracie]

That's why it's in.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Rocky Aoki, who started Benihana, they had him with, like, Elvis. And so it was very cool. It was very open, very big. It was, like, right on the water. So. Best day of my life that she was busting my life. And this is. And I can't wait to go. Every single day this week. It's like. And I gotta work, gotta work. That's why I tell them. I was like, gotta work, gotta go. But you're gonna come with me, try it for the first time, which is fine. I'm gonna take just, like, different people every single day. I'm like, let's all go get the Trish trio. So check it out. They're everywhere. They're in Cleveland. My Cleveland family. There's one in Cleveland, which is great there. The one I really want to go to too is in Miami. There's one right on the water and it looks so pretty. But the Vegas one, there's a Benihana village in Westgate. They're all over. Check them out. Today. We love the Trish trio. Anyways, that was my big announcement and so I hope it was exciting for everyone else. I don't know.

[Oscar Gracie]

It is. I'm hungry. Let's go.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I know, I know. Literally, I was like on it. And Moses was outside. I'm like, we gotta start right at 10 o' clock today. You got right at 10. And I was very excited. So anyways, it's gonna be a great day. You guys know I'm already excited. So that happened. And did you watch Euphoria last night?

[Moses Hacmon]

You know what's so funny? While you were getting ready, I was like, I forgot to post my little story. But we were watching Euphoria and my cat was really locked in for your scene.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, really?

[Moses Hacmon]

And I took a photo. Yeah, Cheese was like, really locked in.

[Trisha Paytas]

Does she not usually lock in for tv?

[Moses Hacmon]

He usually doesn't, like, watch the screen.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so sorry. So sorry. To Cheese.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's not binary, actually. Just kidding. He is.

[Oscar Gracie]

He him. So you say she had the cheese pool there?

[Moses Hacmon]

The what?

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Oscar Gracie]

A cheese pool.

[Moses Hacmon]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

The cheese pool. What's a cheese. What's the pool?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, a pool.

[Oscar Gracie]

No, like his attention. Like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, he was pulled in. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. On fire today. I love it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And then when your scene was over, he stopped watching. Yeah. Yeah, like literally. So I thought it was funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was locked in just for me.

[Oscar Gracie]

Yeah, we get a lot of stories people post of their pets watching the podcast.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love that. I love when the pets are. We're pet friendly.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think entertainment. Yeah, we definitely are.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then we had one. Sydney Sweeney's big tatas were busting through skyscrapers. I had him turn away. He was still a baby. He's only two.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was a wild episode last night. Okay, I need to clarify too, that I did not have a script, obviously. It seemed like Sydney Sweeney had a script for Cassie because I. Okay. Because I was like doing all these things. Be like, yeah, I was all improv. It was all improv for me. They literally like, you're just going to interview Cassie. And so there is probably like an hour long podcast, not even kidding. Of just me interviewing Cassie. So I didn't know what they were going to use. And yeah, obviously my acting was not really acting because I remember. I think I was talking about on this podcast. I remember even Coming home and being like. I feel like I was being trolled or something. Like, it didn't feel like a real episode. And I thought, like, is this, like, some setup? Is this, like, punked? Am I getting, like, what it was very.

[Oscar Gracie]

But it sounds like they wanted your reactions, right? Like, they wanted to get your real reactions to the stuff you're saying.

[Trisha Paytas]

I remember that was one where I'm like. I was like, I don't. I don't know what to say. And then obviously, like, all the stuff that came out and, like, the. I remember all the stuff that came out in the newsletter. I was just like, are they, like, mirroring? Like, you know what I mean? It was just very interesting because I did. I wasn't expecting the turn. I didn't know much about Cassie Prior, but I wasn't expecting the turn, honey.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think anybody was. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

So this wasn't, like, a known thing that she was gonna do because I was like, did I miss him? I tried to, like, watch some episodes to catch up. I'm like, am I missing some chat? And then all of a sudden, she started talking, like, politics and stuff. And I remember Cassie, and I remember being like, I didn't know how to. You know me. I did not know how to react because obviously we don't talk about politics too much. You know, I'm not too, like, informed on this stuff. And I also just don't know how to react. It's like, if clavicular was on my podcast, like, how would I react? You know what I mean? It's like, not comparing. Well, I guess Cassie, she's the character. Yeah. Okay. A little clavicular vibe. Yeah. So it was very male centered, all the stuff. And I was very much like, yeah, so all of it was. They showed a still of Cassie. The official, like, euphoria showed a still of, like, Cassie crying. And that's the one I always reference, because they did, but they didn't. I'm showing it in the episode. I remember towards the end, I was directed to, like, start to make her cry and, like, really attack her.

[Moses Hacmon]

And she's like, I want that scene.

[Trisha Paytas]

I want them to release it. Because again, I remember she just started, like, crying the way her, like, eyes were filling up, and, like, she got so scared. And I just remember being like, oh, my God, they're gonna use that one. I don't really remember really what I said, so I want to see it too. And then when I saw what they. I was like, oh, my. Of course I'm In a scene like that. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love when you said, okay. It was powerful.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Okay. You think it was Emmy worthy?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think so. That one line, like, yeah. So much expression in it. I felt everything your character went through. I felt your character's confusion. I felt your character trying to process what the guest Cassie was saying. I really felt everything in that one line. Yes. It contained multitudes, I believe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. That's what I was trying to convey. And I. Okay. I learned this from Suzanne Summers, who had one line in American graffiti in, like, 1973, the Ron Howard movie. She. And she became. She was a. She became like, a global brand empire. She had the thigh master, if you don't know Suzanne Summers, rest in peace. She was wonderful. I loved her so much. She was in Three's Company. But anyways, her first movie was, like, one line. And it was. She was. It was supposed to be I love you. And then they didn't even end up using the audio. They just had her, like. They just had, like, the, like, lip version of it. But she was the most memorable from that. She's like, I was the blonde and the Thunderbird for, like, the rest of the 70s. So I remember, like, even if you get one line, like, make it count. So every line I was really trying to deliver, I will say that line was an honest reaction of, like. I remember looking, being like, I don't know how to. Someone is just getting canceled right next to you, and you're. You're in the same screenshot, and you're just like. It's like a guess where it's like, we're getting canceled together. And I'm like, what do I do? So I panicked. The real Trish set in, and I was like. I'm like, what do I do? None of my agents are there from. Cause it's like midnight by the time we're shooting this scene. And I'm like, okay, I don't know what to do. And I'm just like, keep. And you want to just be professional, so you, like, just keep it going. And no one's really giving real direction. No one's really, like, saying it. Anything. Everyone's just, like, letting this happen as if it's a real podcast. So. And then Cassie's locked in over there, and she's, like, locked in. And I guess she had obviously, a script. Now that we've seen, I was. I was. If you don't know, I was playing video podcaster number three. That was me on the call sheet. Oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was the character's Name?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, it was. I posted the call sheet and it said video podcast or number three. And I was so curious to know who would be video podcaster one and two, because I didn't know. And I was. I literally was thinking in my head, who else? I was. Like, I said I could be Nick Vile or something. You know what I mean? But I think it was just. Maybe they were actors or maybe not. Were they podcasters? I don't know. Were they actors or podcasters? Probably actors, I think. I think they were podcasters. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Known about it?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so. I don't know. I just. I remember being video podcaster number three, and I was. I was stoked about it. But yes, mine. Mine was. Mine was real and raw, but apparently there was a script that I was unaware of. I didn't know the storyline before or after. Okay. So I was just. I was just supposed to interview and I was like, I would love to see more. I wish they would do like a whole. Maybe if there's enough demand, maybe they'll

[Moses Hacmon]

do the Trish Con.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Don't they have like. Like, White Lotus does that, like, after the show? They have, like, behind the scenes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, actually they did that for the earlier episodes. Like, they released the behind the scenes, so there is hope. Yeah, it was like the next week they released behind the Scenes and they showed more of, like, Alexa Demi for, like, episode one or two. So there's hope.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, let's demand it for next week. So. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Come on, hbo. Yes, I would release the Trish cut. Release the Trish cut.

[Trisha Paytas]

Release the Trish cut. Hashtag, release the Trish cut.

[Moses Hacmon]

Get a trending, everybody.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if I want to see it. Honestly, though, because then I remember. I remember when they posted the crying screenshot of her. I was like, I forgot what I even said. I know I, like, was going in because that was. They were just like, go in and, like, make her cry. And obviously she's an actress and she could just cry out for anything. But I remember being like, wow, I'm so good. Because she just started, like, tearing up and I was like, wow, I really crushed it. So I would love to see it all. Although I was very happy with it. I was so happy with it. I. I'm glad you got a line.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was after Vinny Hacker. I was like, oh, Lord, anything can happen.

[Trisha Paytas]

And, you know, I have that history of get him to the Greek, Alvin and the Chipmunks, yes man and Wonderlust all had a line that got cut at some point. And I was like, I don't know if I was even in those movies. So I was expecting a Vinny Hacker at it for sure. Maybe my pink dress would be shown my blonde hair or something. But I got. I got a little FaceTime. They even gave me the screenshot on my birthday. They sent it over to my agent, and they're like, oh, Trisha wants to post this. I was so excited. I was like, first look at Euphoria. I was like, so at least I got that. And know what a win's a win. Emmy nom. My HBO Max day is ready. I love LA. White Lotus Heated Rivalry 2. I'm the HBO Max girly now, and I'm. If you need someone to give a line or a look, I'm there. I think White Lotus, I could still get a line in if they. They're shooting in the south of France. It's all about fame. I think I could get a line in there.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know it's a working script. It's all very much real and in the moment.

[Oscar Gracie]

You should be like you and Jordan in the Amazing Amazing Race. Like, you just stopping at that hotel for one night.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. We're open to it. We are so open. Let us know. I would love to be a part of it. I really loved it. These are great shows. I'm happy. That was my run. And then we ended it with the Benny Hanna Tristro. It's really just what's.

[Oscar Gracie]

What's amazing about Euphoria is that the way they treated you and us and everything with the, you know, premiere, like you were, you know, a cast member.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Oscar Gracie]

No. It's really beautiful. You know, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, that is so.

[Oscar Gracie]

They really treated you so beautifully throughout the whole process and after.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses Hacmon]

Killed me. I want to know so badly what you said after. Okay. Like, I do wonder what your follow up question was.

[Trisha Paytas]

I promise I remember that moment. I remember being like. I don't know what to say because I. I remember, like looking around at people because I'm like. I was like. Because it is one of those things where you're just like, am I gonna get canceled for even acting in this scene? Like, it was. Yeah, I know. I like. There is a follow up question. I don't know what that is, but we would love to know. Only Sam Levinson has that director's cut, which is the most insane thing to see. But did you say the clip I sent you because you didn't watch it last night, but did you see the clip I sent you of Cassie doing the asmr?

[Oscar Gracie]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, you should watch it right now. I sent it to your Twitter. And sometimes when I send Moses, like, crazy girl things, I think he's like, yeah, I sent it on. You and Oscar are the only people I DM on Twitter because I feel like you guys see it there. I don't know why, but I sent it out.

[Oscar Gracie]

I just never too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, can you watch it now? I want to get your reaction. Because Moses, by the way, loves an ASMR. Especially those ear ASMRs. He was.

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't even know those were a thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, you're not a real trustorian then, because I did probably like 30 ASMR videos with those ears.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was only into your role play. Asmrs.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay.

[Oscar Gracie]

I'm never on chat on Twitter. Like, it's creative.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, you have to make the. Yeah.

[Oscar Gracie]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, you know I DM you all the time on Twitter. Are you not seeing them?

[Oscar Gracie]

Nope.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sometimes I send Moses like, really pretty girls and he'd be like, why are you sending me this? And I. I was like, because I want to remember for myself. Like, I want to remember the outfits. He's like, we'll send it to you.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I was like, the thing is,

[Oscar Gracie]

I'm trying to understand. Usually she sends me something. It's something about, oh, let's go to this restaurant, let's get this thing or something. Like, I'm trying to understand what is this about? And I'm like, did not figure that one out. I was like, okay, what is it?

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, I just want to remember her outfit because I wanted to get it. He's like, send it to you. And I was like, so this one too. I was like, I wanted to know.

[Oscar Gracie]

They must have watched your asmr. Hey, this is the microphone he used to. The one with the ears I'm watching now. Oh, yeah. This is literally. We have the same microphone. They watched your asmr.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I would do like, the ear licking and stuff like that because it is like a trend. I mean, I don't think they got it from me, but I was like, Moses loved. Did I get it for you as a good gift?

[Oscar Gracie]

No, no, I got. Well, maybe you got. I mean, I wanted the first one with the white ears. That was mine, but I think for

[Trisha Paytas]

like, your birthday, I got you one.

[Oscar Gracie]

Sounds right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Oscar Gracie]

So I used to use it, like, to do asmr. Like, crane, ocean. It's like ears, and you hear it three dimensionally. It's amazing microphones. And then after that, when you did your smart, you went and got two more.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love these ear ones. And you could tickle the ears. You could like, whisper in the ears. Like, you know, she used it in like, a crazy way.

[Oscar Gracie]

That was like, that's so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I love that they thought of that because I remember at the time, I was like, it's kind of like, that'd be like a good idea.

[Oscar Gracie]

Also, like, it's the, like, not how asmr. Like, that's not how I was giving asmr. No. I mean, you don't just bang the microphone and you boobs.

[Moses Hacmon]

You needed banging the microphone with the big bazookas, everybody, they needed Moses to

[Trisha Paytas]

be the ASMR expert. Yes. He's like, you're consultant. You would have said that's not how

[Moses Hacmon]

you feel, is it not accurate.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was a wild episode. It was good. I enjoyed it. I know. I agree with the sentiment. And also because I'm just like, I. I don't know. I. It is kind of like what is happening on the show, but everyone is seated. You know what I mean? I think everyone's kind of like, I Don't know what's going on.

[Moses Hacmon]

I. I am along for the ride.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

If you just, like, let go of the concept of the first two seasons, you know, you just, like, leave that in the past and take it for something new. It is absurd and outrageous and entertaining. I think the first two episodes a little slow, but post wedding and on have been a wild ride.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, what is going on. I love it, though. Even when she turned into, like, the big woman and stuff, like, I was like, I don't really know what's happening, but I like it. And I know the reference, of course, but I'm like, this is. Oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

Didn't really advance the plot further at all just to do it just for kicks and giggles, you know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, you think she got paid a lot. I mean, look, I would do it for free. I'm not saying anything like that. But you think because she is so. She is such massive and like, just such a big star. Like, I think she got paid a lot because she's getting, like, all the brand deal everything. She must got paid a ton for this. Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, she said that she doesn't really make much from Euphoria, so I don't know. And I do think she wanted to see the character all the way through because she is kind of carrying the season. I think she's the only one 120 locked in. Everyone else kind of like foot out the door.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

But she is locked. She is a sight to see.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's also like, what I did it with her. I just remember being like. So I guess, like, yeah, you're just kind of like. I guess that's what actors are. But she was, like, so locked in as this character that I was just like. I don't know how to take it because she was saying crazy stuff, like crazy things. Obviously, now I know why. I know, like, what her character is now, but I just remember being like, what is happening? Like, I don't know. I guess I just didn't know. And so it was just a weird thing to, like, see. So locked in. And. And she's pretty. Like, not method, but she's pretty locked in. She was, like, really nice. I saw in the makeup room and stuff. And she's, like, really sweet. But then like, once you're on there, she's like, like, I'm Cassie. You know what I mean? Which is. It was cool to watch. It was really cool. But that was. Yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe I'll come back next season if there is a season Four.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know Sam Levinson's been hinting that he wants it to go forward, but I just don't know who else from the cast is also on the same page. But you are.

[Trisha Paytas]

Let me know I can take over anyone's role I could do. I love the ending once. I love the ending of last. Last night's episode. I was like, get business done with

[Moses Hacmon]

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[Trisha Paytas]

Winter is so last season. And now spring's got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders that perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done. Hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear open that envelope. It's time for a little in spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. Spoilers are coming. Spoilers are coming. Spoiler warning. Get out now. Spoiler alert. Three, two, one. Spoiler warning. Can we do a spoiler or no? Like, do you think it's. She's. Spoiler alert.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Spoiler alert. No, because in the trailer they showed her with a broken nose, like Rue with a broken nose at some point. So I don't think she.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're such a detective dead.

[Moses Hacmon]

I. I think they wanted that, like, fake out moment, but I do think she's still alive. Unless. But honestly, I didn't think it happened. They probably have like one cut where she's alive. One cut.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, they showed Cindy sweetie crying and she didn't.

[Oscar Gracie]

So it's like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you think. Because this is. I don't know. Because I don't do spoilers on this show because it's hard for me to even get through the episode. I don't even know the next one. But do you think they say someone's dying? Do you think it's some people that said Nate too, because he keeps losing all his fingers.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know at some point you're gonna lose your Head. He keeps losing his digital, so I kind of think maybe. Nate, I haven't, like, actually seen any spoilers for this season again. I'm also just kind of like, along for the ride. I'm also not super attached, except for the girls. I do live for Maddie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maddie and Jules. So fierce. Their outfits. Yeah, they're. The acting, everything. They're just. Maddie's so cool. Like, yeah, she's. She's so smart, too, with the little contract switch up.

[Moses Hacmon]

She is said, though, Alexa Demi has said that, that Maddie doesn't get a happy ending, though, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, she has said that.

[Moses Hacmon]

She said that. Yeah. She got asked when the season, like, press tour happened. I think on the premiere, she got asked, like, oh, what were you happy with how Maddie's story ends? And she's like, well, it's euphoria. So Maddie doesn't get, like. No one gets a happy ending.

[Trisha Paytas]

They all die. That's how the season continues because everyone's just dead. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That would be a nuclear bomb.

[Oscar Gracie]

Would be crazy, but that'd be fallout. Maybe

[Moses Hacmon]

that's the.

[Trisha Paytas]

That'd be everything.

[Moses Hacmon]

The only people who survive is your character. What's your character's name? Trish. Trish.

[Trisha Paytas]

We decided it was Trish because it was. What was it? It was talking tempt or something. And I was like. He's like, what do you want your character's name to be? I was like, honestly, Trish is fine. I'm in my pink fashion nova. I'm like, that's fine. As my own dress. I was like, yeah, let's do it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. The Euphoria Cinematic Universe version of Trish. I could see Trish surviving. Who else would survive? I think Chloe Cherry's character, I feel like she would survive just about anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Probably Alamo, I feel like, would survive as well.

[Trisha Paytas]

For sure. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think from the main cast, I think Maddie would actually. I do think Maddie would, because she seems like that kind of girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what I mean? She just get through it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if she believes it, if she believes she will survive a nuclear war,

[Trisha Paytas]

she will manifest her.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, Yeah. I think that's it, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's it.

[Oscar Gracie]

But who will become a zombie? Kind of like Walter Goggins.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, she probably won't want to come back.

[Oscar Gracie]

Zendaya, it will be a mutant zombie.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if they can do that anymore after the Back to the Future, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

But the imc, I also love that Cassie, like, when she was getting Auditioning for LA Knights. Her character was Job Applicant one. And I'm like, this does feel very trishy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. I'm video podcaster 3 all the time. Everything. I am girl with plastic surgery. Like, I just love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

And she was elated to be cast as Drop Applicant one. And I was like. Like, this just. I feel. I do feel the. The.

[Trisha Paytas]

The mirror lightly, loosely. I don't know too much. But, yeah, I was giving that because that is. I mean, if I was on LA nights, I'd be so excited to be anyone. I would love to be, like, a little, like, waitress back there. I'm just, you know, just happy to be there.

[Moses Hacmon]

When you're an actress, spirit, like, audition also, like, kind of tricky, kind of loves. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought she kind of ate. Everyone's like, oh, this was so cringey. But I was like, wait, she kind of ate.

[Moses Hacmon]

She put her open.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. She got serious. You saw her, like, change into a different person.

[Moses Hacmon]

Locked in. Also, again, to act. Act as Cassie. Acting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

You gotta give the girl her tent. Like, Sydney Sweeney is really.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's really right. It's such a different thing because it's not City Sweeney. She could obviously probably eat that up.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So acting as your character, acting out a monologue for a fake show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Insane.

[Moses Hacmon]

Come on, Come on. I mean, she's taking it. What can I say?

[Trisha Paytas]

Have they won Emmys? You're four or not really.

[Moses Hacmon]

Zendaya has won twice, but not the. Oh, wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's so good. She's so good.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. She won season one best actress. Actress in, I think, drama. And then again for season two, she was like. She made history, I think, as the youngest black woman to win the Emmy twice.

[Trisha Paytas]

How old was she? Oh, twice.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, she was. Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

When was a while ago.

[Moses Hacmon]

2022, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

So that's how she won. Yeah, yeah. She won it in Zendaya. Won the Emmy for lead actress In 20. 20. 20. At age 24. And at 20 22. At 26.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. And so that means she probably filmed the actual episode, like, the season, like, a couple years prior, right? Yeah, like, she was 20. She probably filmed at 18 or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, right. So she was. Wait, so she was 24 when she won the first one? She was probably, like, 21 or 22. Wow. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. And to win it. Yeah, she is. She is so good. Like, she's such a good actress. Like, the last scene, I was just like, oh, my God. Like, it. It does make you Feel like Euphoria does make you feel so much like 10. I think that's why it's, like, bad for someone like me because I just feel everything. I'm just like, oh, my gosh. Like, it makes me scared.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know I have to look away at some parts because it is, like, very brutal, I guess. Like, the main stuff I don't like. Yeah, yeah. And very visceral.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Yeah. It's a lot to. A lot to watch, but people. People love it. And now I'm part of it. I want to go to the Emmys. Can I go on stage if they win as a cast ensemble, like, I'm there too.

[Moses Hacmon]

I am so curious how that's gonna go, like, the whole Emmy campaign, because I feel like they would want those stars at the Emmys because it is, like, like, good buzz. This season is so controversial, though, so I don't know. But Zendaya is. Even though I feel like she is ready for it to be over, she's not, like, half. Yeah. She's still really acting too.

[Trisha Paytas]

So good.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like it's her best performance of Rue yet, so I feel like she would still deserve to be in the race.

[Trisha Paytas]

So good. I think. I think they're all good. I think, like, again, like, Jacob Elordi, like, I. Like, I didn't know much about him, but I feel like he's really good in the role too. I don't know. Like, again, I didn't watch the first, like, two seasons. I'm not. I feel like they're all so good. I don't know. I don't, like, see them. They're also stars, and I don't, like, see them. Like, I don't see, like. Like Hunter Schaefer or Alexa. I see them, like, their characters, you know, And I think that's, like, the real test. Especially when you are so famous. Sometimes you just see people as themselves. But I'm happy to be myself. A little stretch. I just. I am. Will always be myself. I like doing that, but I do like when you can just see the. The character. I think it's great, but maybe I'm a little biased because they sent me a little hoodie. I should have worn my Euphoria hoodie. Today was hard. Well, I guess I could switch halfway through between my Benny Hana euphoria. Yeah. Because they gave me a little Euphoria sweatshirt as a commemorative crew. But what'd you do this week? Are you moved in now?

[Moses Hacmon]

I thought it would kind of be done, but it's an ever evolving Process what happened?

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought you were gonna be done. Done.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's just a lot to do. A lot to do. A lot of things to put away, boxes to go through. And then once you unpack a box and you're stuck with the box and you gotta get rid of that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, so it's just, what do you do?

[Trisha Paytas]

You tear it down. Down.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I try to like do it myself, like break it down, the boxes. And then at my gym, it's like in the parking lot with the Costco and I go to the gym early and it doesn't say you can't throw stuff in the recycling bin. So I bring all my boxes and then it's a huge recycling bin that is like so tall so that I'm standing over like, like throwing it over the cctv.

[Oscar Gracie]

We need the videos.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I guess, scared. I do get a little scared because I'm like, am I allowed? But it doesn't have a sign that says no dumping. So I'm like, I think I can. And if I'm arrested for recycling, that's actually ridiculous. That's something that would happen to me. But like free me if that's the case.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. That is a good question. Actually. I know you can't do it in your neighbor's trash because I did that once at my house I was renting in the Hollywood Hills. I, I, I actually technically didn't do it, but I had thrown a party and this person that I was seeing at the time, like threw the trash into my neighbor's trash cans. And then the neighbors came over like, what the hell are you doing? And I was like, oh, I, I first I didn't do it, but I also like, didn't know. And he's like, neighbors shouldn't be like that or whatever. And I was like, okay, so I know you can't throw it like in

[Moses Hacmon]

your neighbor's trash, but like, yeah, a public recycling pain. I don't know if that's a crime. Then that's whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

So do you break them down or do you take them as boxes?

[Moses Hacmon]

I break them down.

[Oscar Gracie]

Oh, that's good to put in the car.

[Moses Hacmon]

Exactly. Not for, not for Costco's sake. It's for my own.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yeah, I remember I had, I had a part time, I guess, like person like working with me and like, literally the only thing I had that doing was breaking down boxes. It's a lot. It was like an eight hour day every day. And he would just like break down boxes when I said Before I met

[Oscar Gracie]

you, all the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. You were not the paid employee, but.

[Oscar Gracie]

No, no. I can again attest to the amount of boxes needed to be broken down

[Trisha Paytas]

at the Studio City house where you bring.

[Oscar Gracie]

Oh, yeah, all the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

That one was crazy. I had a really bad problem there. I would get. Not kidding. Like, 40 boxes, and they would just, like, stack up.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, don't worry, baby. We saw it. Like, we saw that you were, like, vlogging and hauling just about anything. Did we saw the background of your. You couldn't even see the floor. It was just like, box on box on box.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, that's what happened. So the orig. The. The main, like, living room in that house was the Dish with Trish podcast studio. Had the pink couch by the time we moved out. I mean, it's, like, so embarrassing. I'm not like this anymore. Literally, there was no podcast studio. It was just, like, clothes and boxes stacked all the way to the ceiling. Like, I didn't even show that towards the end because it was, like, so embarrassing. We had to get a house because I was like, oh, we have to, like, move all this. I think you just probably, like, moved it with the movers or something. But it was so weird. I had, like, a really bad hoarding problem back then. I'm like, at least I'm getting stuff out now when new stuff comes in. But. But that was so bad. But did you. I guess you broke down the boxes? Yeah. And there just wasn't, like, I'd have to call, like, trash pickup like, three times a week, like. Cause it was just like. Yeah, it was crazy. And I had someone literally, like, I say part time, but he was there, like, eight hours a day, but he was there maybe for, like, a month doing this. And, like, it was like a friend. It was something, like, I knew too, but he was. Yeah, he just broke down boxes all day. Thank you so much to Ro for sponsoring today's episode of Adjust your shimmers around the corner. And I don't know about you, but I just want to feel good. Okay. It's not always about looking good, although that helps for sure. But we want to feel good. I want to be able to swim and play, play with my kids and just have overall more energy. And I know that GLP1s have been, like, trendy for a long time, but I feel like they're here to stay. And with RO, they make it so easy to see which GLP1 is right for you. And everything's 100 online, so you don't have to go to a doctor. Privacy delivered straight to your door. It sounds like a great deal. And honestly, they have a new GLP1 pill. I think it's like one of the first ones out there, which to me it sounds less intimidating than a shot. So if I'm gonna try one, thinking about maybe trying this pill. Sometimes it's just the food noise that gets us. Sometimes we just want to quiet that food noise. And it's hard. And people who get it, get it and those who don't just don't. But I know that GLP ones. I've heard so many testimonies from it. And if you want to give it a shot, why not check out row? I might be checking out RO this summer, that's for sure. GLP1s aren't just about weight loss. Not only paying patients lose weight, but they can also expect to have better lab numbers, more energy, new levels of confidence, and more benefits that go just beyond the scale. Like I mentioned, RO's 100% online and you have access to clinically proven FDA approved medications, free insurance checks, side effect management, dosing support, and more. Row now offers the first FDA approved GLP1 pill for weight loss at the lowest cost around. The new GLP1 pill has the same weight loss ingredient as the shot and packs comparable results to the shot. It can help patients lose 14% of their body weight in a year on average. That's one daily pill for fewer cravings and feeling fuller with an innovative new formula. The new FDA approved GLP1 pill is available at $149 for the first dose in addition to your RO membership fee and $299 for the higher doses. The robody membership includes access to FDA approved GLP1s, unlimited provider messaging, side effect management and more, all for just $45 for your first month and $145 a month thereafter. The RO membership fee excludes the cost of the GLP1 medication. In addition to the newly approved pill, RO also offers a full suite of the brand name FDA approved GLP1s all at the lowest cost. RO offers the lowest cost GLP1s whether you're using your insurance or paying cash. After your first online visit, if you're eligible for treatment, you can expect to start your medication in less than a week if paying cash or about two weeks if using insurance. It's very easy to do. You fill out a survey, they suggest what's right for you, they take out all the guesswork. So go to Ro Trish to see if you're eligible for the new GLP1 pill on Ro. That's Ro Co Trish to get started on Roe, go to Roe Co Safety for box warning and full safety information about GLP1 medications based on study and non diabetics with obesity or overweight plus a weight related condition with diet and exercise. Thank you so much, Tarot for sponsoring today's episode. And I was like, yeah. And then I think when he had to go back home or whatever, like, I remember just being like, oh, my God, I have to do this myself. And I couldn't keep up. But then I met Moses and I guess he started breaking in my boxes and then that was marriage material.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is so funny though, because it is such a 180 now because even when I was thinking about, like, what to get you for your birthday, I was like, you are so in your, like, minimalist, like, I don't want a ton of things like knickknacks or anything era. So I'm like, okay. Like, it has to be something food oriented because, like, so good. Unless it's a Birkin or the Cartier Panther collection, like, baby, like, I'm not even going to bother, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I was like, you don't have to give me anything. Like, I was like, and I really mean it when I say it, but yeah, you don't know what has to get me. I know this. I was like, okay, Panther. I love it. It was. And I was like, this is so random because it's never been on like my vision board or anything, but was like, I just liked it. Which makes it very special. I did love it. I've seen this. I've seen this. I've seen like people like, get it and stuff before. And I was like, so excited to get it. And it's like, when it comes to me, it's so thoughtful. Then he got me a purse for Mother's Day and I was like, well, you always tell me, oh my go, do you have enough purses? A Dior box comes in. And I was like, what? But I will say I did a tick tock about it. This is what I actually asked for, like months ago from the Dior contact that I had. And they said it was sold out. So when he saw this, I was like, oh, my God, did you know? He's like, no, I just saw it.

[Oscar Gracie]

So I literally, I walked in the mall and I saw like, I saw it from the window and I walked again and I saw it again. And then after I got the necklace, I went back in and the guy that I got it from, he was like. He was like, oh, wow, you're getting both things. Gift. Most people just get one gift for the whole weekend. If it's a birthday and Mother's Day, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Then, yeah.

[Oscar Gracie]

But both people in the both stores are like, you're a good husband.

[Trisha Paytas]

You are a good husband. That is the. Yeah, because that's like very much when people have like birthdays around Christmas, they kind of get like a lumped present. Which by the way, also Mother's Day. I don't think you, like, ever need to get me a gift for Mother's Day or my birthday, really. But because we always say no gifts. And then when you got me when I was very excited and then Tana got me these slippers because I always wear slippers for our podcast. So I think I'm gonna wear these out. Can you wear these in public? Can you wear these to Benny Hannah? You can because they have a back, right? So I feel like that doesn't make it slippery. These are like Von Dut and shot me a cute little book. No. And she got me a really cute, like, thoughtful notebook. And then Oscar. Oh, I would show you what I got me, but we already ate it. It was the hit in the house. We.

[Oscar Gracie]

I mainly knew it was when I saw it because I saw the chocolate layer on the bottom the cake. I was like, that's the one you described to us.

[Trisha Paytas]

You knew right away. I was like, oh. He's like, yeah, I think it's the one that like Darian makes or something. And I was like, I was napping at that time. I was like napping. So I was like in and out of it. I was like, oh my God. Did you get Oscar's cake? I think something. Yeah, we're home. And I was like, oh my God. So did you go down and get it? Is that how how it worked?

[Oscar Gracie]

So I went down and I had Aquaman with me and the delivery came in. And right after the delivery, your dad came up. So they helped me get the cake up to the house.

[Trisha Paytas]

We were eating it a secret Olivia at first, cuz I was like, oh, I want to try it. Well then Elvis, you know, we had both woken up from a nap together. We both were napping and then she was a little groggy and then she didn't want to go see because we had a ton of family here. We had like probably like 30 people here. And so she didn't want to go into the party room right away. So I was like, oh, let's go like calm her down and have a little bit of cake. And so yeah, we had gotten a cake from Holly. Shout out Holly. And then we got cake from Yaya's cheesecake. And so I was like, oh, let's do a little taste test of this. And so it was so good. Cuz it was homemade too. Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like.

[Moses Hacmon]

I felt you're also like, I know you're going to have so much, so many food options. So I was like, I feel like if we really, you know, do it ourselves. And Darian does such a good job. I did try to help. He does.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you?

[Moses Hacmon]

He does. Kind of gatekeep, so. Because I was there. Yeah, yeah. I was advised I was helping the transfer once things were ready.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh yeah, that's a big deal. No, I know. Always offer like Moses's cooking. Cuz everyone's always like like when Tana comes, I'm like, oh yeah, he'll cook spaghetti. And you know what I mean? But I feel like it's a group effort, you know what I mean? We're. We're partners. So it's like a.

[Moses Hacmon]

Have you seen those tick tocks where it's like we're both cooking in different ways and it's like the girl is doing like a tick tock dance and then her partner is like actually doing the cake. That's what I was doing that I was doing. A little pinky up. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You should have done a little tik tok of that. Thanks Darien too. I did. I. It was, it was so good. Because when something's like I eat homemade made to. I always love that. Like anyone who like homemades like chocolate chip cookies or something. No, but that is so true. When someone like makes something, takes time to do something, has like their special recipe they make for you or something that means the most. Even Tana, she got me these slippers and like a blend seago bag. And I like loved all of it. But then that little notebook of just like handwritten notes and just like a whole journal of it. You'll see it on that level. But like those things mean so much to me. And then the fact that you like made this cake on my actual birthday was very cool. And the delivery, I just was like. So we ate all of it that night. Night. It was so delicious and it was so good. And it was a flawed on top.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It's called a choco flan. It's like chocolate cake on the bottom and then flan on top. And then Darian added A little dolce de leche on top of the drizzle. Yeah. But he's his own toughest critic, because he was mad, because he was trying to make it drizzle. But then the drizzle came out wrong, so he was very hard on himself.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was so good, Darian. It was so good. I know. It is like, you guys should have kept, like, half of it for yourself. I was surprised the whole thing came because when I make a little something, I'm gonna do some extra, you know. Oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was tempted. I was like, it is my favorite dessert. I love when he makes it. And he's. He started his job, so he's like, I. I'm like, can you make two? Like, can you make us one? But he was like, no, he only made the one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Thank you. But, yeah, it was so special and

[Moses Hacmon]

it's my fave, so I'm glad you liked it.

[Trisha Paytas]

You always come up with stuff. I don't know if it was my birthday or was it another thing where you brought porto for Christmas? Was it Christmas? No, but that's.

[Oscar Gracie]

That's what I'm saying.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, those kind of things. Cuz you have to wait in line for it. It's so far. It's like that kind of thing. Like, it means so much because, yeah, I mean, I get whatever, you know what I mean? But it's like that stuff because I don't expect and I don't want anything, because like you said in minimalist air, all that's like that. But when it comes from someone, like, I like, you know, everything means more. So. But I do love the Cartier and the Dior. Thank you, babe. That was really sweet, too. I loved it. And he made me breakfast and everything. And it was just. It was surprise. I was surprised. I didn't know when you had the time to go to the mall. We had Topanga Mall. Like, where did you even go?

[Oscar Gracie]

So, you know, it was funny. We went. So I was planning to go there, and then suddenly you're like, hey, do you want to go to Sugar Fish? And I was like, oh, man. I was, like, about to go that way. Anyways, so we went to Sugar Fish, went back home, and then I went out again.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Oh, we should have drove separately, so that way you were already halfway there.

[Oscar Gracie]

No, but then you would know I'm going.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy that you, like, found the time. He was, like, decorating the table. The Versace table was cleared off.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow, that's big.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was crazy because I had, like, bills. I had A bunch of stuff that, like, we could. Because I have. I have an organizer come, helps me shout out Imani, and she always wants to clear off that table with me. But Mo's like, no, everything's there that I know. I know it's placed, and I can't move anything. And so it's just. Just been there for a long time. And I came down on my birthday, and it was completely cleared off, and I was. With roses and gifts and my breakfast sandwich. I was like, oh, my God. So that, again, that kind of stuff means the most to me. And I don't need a gift. I don't need a gift. I always say that. I feel like every. My whole life is a gift. Like, I feel like every day is a gift. So it was great. But it was one of my best birthdays ever. It was very fun, low key. My whole family was there. Moses was amazing. You're so good at hosting people. I'm so bad at hosting people. But he was, like, hosting everybody and getting all the cakes around every night and stuff. It was really fun. Fun. So we had a good time. We had my dad's 70th birthday. We had an Elvis impersonator come. That was really fun. Then Mother's Day was Trish J. And for my mom, I'm gonna take her to Benihana tomorrow. And what'd you do for Mother's Day?

[Moses Hacmon]

We got brunch. Marmalade Cafe, your favorite.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought you go there because that's sugarfish. Hi ho, cheeseburger.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. And I was eyeing hi ho, cheeseburger. I was telling Darian we really got to try it, but it was.

[Oscar Gracie]

It's not a Mother's Day spot.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's not a Mother's Day spot. It was also crazy over there. It was so jam.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it was kind of a nightmare. It was just so busy. And then my family wanted to see my house, which was overwhelming. I was like, okay, how is that rambunctious? Let's say my nephews were there, and they're running amok, and then they're sitting on the furniture that no one's allowed to sit on.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I'm like, you don't say anything? No. You should put some covers on it, block it off.

[Moses Hacmon]

I really didn't think about it until it was happening. I was like, okay. And they're chasing the cats.

[Oscar Gracie]

It's a learning curve.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was a lot. It was very overstimulated.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was it like. So it is put together where people can, like, come see it and it's fairly put together.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. There's still like a lot to do.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were they excited?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah, they're very excited.

[Trisha Paytas]

So the whole family came over after.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cute. Oh my gosh. I kind of love that. That's so fun when you can like show people like this is my house and I can't wait to see see it Patreon soon.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know I still have a lot of preparation though, so I'm glad we're

[Trisha Paytas]

actually postpone a week.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I really want to see it before I go to England because I need to see it. Like that's all I've been thinking about. I'm like, oh, I can't wait to see it for real. I love seeing houses. I love like Ari to. My friend Ari just moved into a house and I was like, oh, I want to see like I just want to see like everyone's places because I think you. I don't know. I just love seeing how people like decorate their space in their spaces and then you get to know the person more. It's kind of like room raiders back in the day before they go. And I could see your backyard. Can I see it through the thing? I'm. It looks so nice and peaceful. And the house tour is up though on the Oscar Gracie Vlog channel. Congrats.

[Moses Hacmon]

My house tour. I was stressed because I was like, I told the brand I'm posting Friday and I was like locked in trying to get that at a dawn. Just like voiceover. It was rough.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's this? A voiceover. You're on the phone. Voiceover.

[Moses Hacmon]

I record into my phone.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you do. Oh, interesting. You have microphones and stuff though. You have like a streaming system and stuff, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Not at my house. It's at my parents house is all my streaming stuff. I have to move it over at some point.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are you to going. Going to.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. The gag is I'm. My theme in my streaming room right now is all pink. But I've kind of like evolved and moved past that.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's homeowner stuff right there. That's how we were too. I was like, we're going to do it neutrals. We're going to have white and beige.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like I am kind of giving that these.

[Trisha Paytas]

Giving an adult.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Oscar Gracie]

So I can give you some ideas if you want.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh yeah. For minimalism.

[Oscar Gracie]

Yeah,

[Trisha Paytas]

I know, I know it's so hard. I know Sometimes I miss. Miss a pink. But you can have like one room. Like I love that this room's like my pink. Room, and I have, like, a little office that's my pink room. And then just kind of miss it a little bit.

[Moses Hacmon]

But it's still gonna be whimsy, but, like, a little more mature. That's kind of the vibe I'm gonna try to.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

But that's gonna come later down the line. But, yeah, it was fun to, like, finally post it. So now there's, like, context for, like, via, like, you know, Instagram story, like, the little picture versus, like, what the room actually looks like. Granted, it was the empty house tour, but still you got a little. A little bit more of an idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, Patreon, you'll get the furniture.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. The updated.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Yeah. But it was funny to show my apartment because I've described it. I remember the first time you asked me, like, how much do you pay for rent? And I was like, 1500. And no one believed me. Everyone's like, he has to be long trying to be relatable. I was like, honey, no. Like, we don't have a washer and dryer. We don't have, like, a walkway. We don't have a garden. Like, we have literally nothing. I live in a construction site. Like, there's a pile of rocks, like, for no reason whatsoever. There's holes in, like, the hallway. There's just, like, it's. It's kind of nuts. There's, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's cute on the outside, though. They had a little, like, corn cart and stuff there. I love that little.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that was pre construction. That was pretty. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

Was still, like, kind of put together, but the landlord's son took over. That's why, like, nepotism. I'm anti nepotism now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then they started construction, but then, like, abandoned it. Like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I didn't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not even halfway through. Like, a quarter of the way through. So. So, like, our gate doesn't shut because they, like, built out an extra unit and they never finished it. Oh, my God. So anyone can, like, just open the door. There's, like, literally a. They dumped, like, a whole truck of gravel in the back. But, like, for no reason. Like, I don't know why they did that. And they just left it. There's. They broke down a wall and then left it. There's a big hole, like, so you can see all the pipes and stuff when you come in. And they just, like. And it's been like that for two years.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar Gracie]

I think they're just trying to get everyone out of that building so they can maybe.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think I don't. They didn't say it was rent control, but my rent never went up and everyone else has been there for like ever. So I'm assuming they don't say a lot.

[Trisha Paytas]

1500 in LA is crazy. And you were in like a good like location. Like you were kind of central to like the malls and like food and stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So it wasn't bad. A little crying. I was getting a lot of like crime alerts, like SWAT team and stuff quite frequently.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. It was building up.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it was starting to build up. Yeah. Yeah. But I was also relieved to show like no, like I. I was being serious. Like this was. That's what 1500 gets you over here.

[Trisha Paytas]

You should have done empty apartment tour. You're moving out 1.

[Moses Hacmon]

I did everything kind of like being packed up which I think added to the like wow, he's really leveling up because it looks a mess. It did look a mess. Look crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I love an empty apart apartment tour. Like when you move out. Like I love showing like I remember my beach apartment. I'm like, oh, it's the last time I'm going to see this apartment in the window. And you just. I showed the view for the first time because I never wanted people to know like the beach location and stuff like that. But it's so fun. Then you can just kind of show your little area that you're in.

[Moses Hacmon]

The gag is I still have to to empty it out cuz I. Any furniture I didn't take is still there. So I still. And I paid the rent for like May. Cuz I knew it was going to take me a while to like oh wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So I still got to go back.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's amazing. I would always do. I would literally like do the very last day and like have like 24 hours to move. I'm like, all right, got to hustle and just get everything out of there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Usually would do that too. But I knew I was going to be so stressed going to the house that I'm like if I do both at the same time, I might do something. Something to get me on the news. Should I myself on Instagram Live or Tik Tok Live. Like it would be giving that. So I'm like let me just like give myself a few weeks to get it together cuz it is crazy in there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well I guess like the weekend like in London you kind of have that week like off technically since we're like pre some. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But it is funny like you said because when we go back when I Go back with Darian. I'm very much like, thank God Rod of here. But he's like, I'm gonna miss it. I'm like, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cuz it's like your first place together, right? It was your first.

[Moses Hacmon]

Second, technically. But the first one we were only in for like eight months. And this was like, oh, that's a long almost five years.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Before Northridge, but like it was like a luxury building because it was during COVID and everything was cheaper and it went up the. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I didn't know. I don't know why I thought this was like your first apartment, but. No. You had one before?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you. When did you move out of your parents house? The first time.

[Moses Hacmon]

The first time I went back and forth. The first time was like 20s, maybe 2017.

[Trisha Paytas]

How old were you?

[Moses Hacmon]

God, it must have been like maybe 24, 25.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you stayed through college? Cuz they were right next to college

[Moses Hacmon]

and commuted to school. And then once I got my job, I had a roommate and we lived together for like a year. And then the target one, No, I met her at a Taylor Swift like contest weirdly. And then she moved to LA and I was like, oh, like I'm ready to move into an apartment too. So we lived together for a year. And then I moved back home. No. And then I went to my own apartment. Lived by myself in North Hollywood for a year.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then moved back home like until 2020.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why did you move out so much? Because you would always be so close to your parents. Why did you stay with me? Your parents?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think because I would live with them for so long and then even though the commute wasn't bad from like my parents house to work, it was like 45 minutes. But it felt like.

[Trisha Paytas]

You want to be closer to work?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I wanted to be closer to work and like also live by myself for like the first time, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Interesting.

[Moses Hacmon]

But then when I lived by myself, I was like, this kind of sucks because everything's expensive.

[Trisha Paytas]

I am such an advocate. I think you should live with your parents for as long as you can if you can like tolerate them. Both of my parents, I remember just being like at the time, I was like, I need to get out as soon as possible. You know what I mean? At the time, like I remember the day I graduated from high school, I'm like out moved with my dad. But then I was like living my dad for like two months. I'm like, ow. Like I was just definitely like wanting to be on my Own since I was 18. But I do think if you have, like, a good relationship with your parents, they have a good, nice place to stay. It's close to where you want to be. I think you should live with your parents for as long as possible.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I. I think I just got older and then I was like, oh, Oh. I think because my dad retired and then so, like, usually I would have, like, a couple hours to myself before everyone got home from work, but then my dad retired, so he was around all day. I love them. I'm close with them, but, like, I had no me. And it's a small house, too, so there's no, like, place to get away.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's. That was me too. I very much wanted, like, especially, like, filming YouTube videos. I just really wanted, like, my own space.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because then my mom moved out to California and it was, like, great to live with her. Cause again, you, like, saved some money and, like, split the rent. But then, yeah, again, I was just like. I could never, like. And back then I didn't even know how to, like, put clips together, so I really had to do everything in one take. But if, like, my sister walks into the room or mom walks in the room, I had to start over. And I was like, I would get so frustrated because I didn't know how to edit at all. And I was like, oh, my God, I gotta start this, like, whole 13 minute all over again. And it was so frustrating. So then I was like, I need to move out again. I really did like living on my own, but, like, for my kids. Oh, my God, I would love for them to live with me forever, honestly. Because it's like, you know, where they're at. You're safe, they're cool. You know what I mean? I just. I don't know. If you have, like, a good relationship, you should stay as long. A lot of, like, cultures. I know, like Persian culture. A lot of my Persian friends, they, like, they're like my age and they still with their, like, until they get married. They, like, live with their parents and I think think, like, that's kind of everything. And they cook for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Targum is telling me about her mom, too. Like, how she cooked everything. And I'm like, why would you want to move out? Like, just stay there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. T. I think if they had, like, a house where, like, each of us had space, I would have stayed a lot longer.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. It's a little smaller.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's so. It's so much smaller.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But my house Too. Like, I. Like, when I was looking for a house, I'm like, if they need to. When they get. I mean, they are pretty old, but when they get to a point where, like, they can't live by themselves, like, there's also, like, room at my house. Yeah. So I already had it, like, planned out, and there's room where, like, they can be in their own area without, like, annoying me.

[Trisha Paytas]

So. Yeah. I also think, like, when you're older. I don't know, maybe it's like, also because, like, when I'm like, now that we're in a relationship and stuff like that, like, I don't care. I think, like, back in the day, I was like, I need places to hook up and stuff like that. So I was like, these days? Yeah. So it's like, well, we're. We're established forever. So when my parents come or when anyone comes to, like, stay with us, it's kind of like, well, we don't need to be. Be like, going at it all the time. You know what I mean? But, like, for me, that was so important to me. Like, when I was younger, as. I'm like, I just want to have so much sex everywhere. It just was weird. I don't know. I was very, like, repressed. I have a conservative dad. Like, it was very weird. Obviously, it ended up. Why would have you actually. Oh, my God. We do have a lot of. A lot of similarities there. Her apartment. It looks like my first apartment in Hollywood, too. It really did. I was like, that looks like where I used to live, actually. So there was a lot of similarities. But, yeah, I'll stay with you. Your stay with your parents. I want to make our house feel like they never want to leave, you know? I don't think they ever do want to leave. Every time we leave. Matt was like, I want to go home. And I was like, we'll be at Chuck E. Cheese. Like, can we go home? I was like, what? Okay, girl. Like, she loves to be home, and I love that. So stay. You know, my sister loves my mom. They seem like they're chilling and kicking in and stuff. You know what I mean? Like, I think it's kind of. She loves it, too. My mom's like, I love this. So I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Sometimes I think society's like, oh, you still live with your mom. Or like, they call people, like, oh, they live in their mom's basement.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, I do hate that.

[Trisha Paytas]

If there's a whole basement, I'm gonna definitely Move in there. I'm gonna redecorate it. I'm gonna to do this. This whole like lower level will just be all Malibu. And Elvis says they can just go and live down here. There was a fridge down there. Everything. We'll move the podcast somewhere else.

[Moses Hacmon]

They have their own like entrance. Yeah, that is tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Could be really cool for them. But I think about that too. Like parents, stuff like that. Like, oh, I guess one day they probably will live with us. I don't know how that works. When parents get older. What do people do with their older parents when they can't take care of themselves?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think usually the options are either they go to like a home home, like a group, a group home kind of situation.

[Oscar Gracie]

I thought you sent them on a boat.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is that a reference or is that.

[Oscar Gracie]

I saw it somewhere when I was a kid. I think I just remember it.

[Trisha Paytas]

They put, well, obviously you're not sending your elderly parents on a boat in Antarctica.

[Oscar Gracie]

I guess now it'd be a cruise. We saw that it was like a 3 year old.

[Trisha Paytas]

Realistic options are what, like a senior home home?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

My mom used to work at one of those.

[Moses Hacmon]

You like. Some people get like a caretaker to come to like their home.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess like every day.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Like a live in or something like that or. Yeah. They move into. You're one of the kids homes. I feel like those are the options. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sometimes those caretakers though, I see I'm on that side of tick tock. Adult people are like mean to the caretakers. But shout out to the caretakers who are like, that's just, you know, that's just like. It's kind of crazy on TikTok now that I'm seeing it, because they'll like show them like getting yelled at by like an elderly person for like literally doing nothing. They just accuse them of like being whatever, like, don't touch me there. And then. Ready to soundtrack your summer with Red Bull Summer All Day Play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best. Are you a festival fanatic, a deep end dj, a road dog, or a trail mixer? Just add a song to your chosen playlist and put your summer on track. Red Bull Summer All Day Play. Red Bull gives you wings. Visit red bull.com brightsummerahead to learn more. See you this summer with plan B. Emergency contraception. We're in control of our future. It's backup birth control. You take after unprotected sex. That helps prevent pregnancy before it starts. It works by temporarily delaying ovulation. And it won't impact your future protection. Plan B is available in all 50 US states at all major retailers near you, with no ID, prescription or age requirement needed. Together we've got this. Follow Plan B on insta at Plan B. One step to learn more. Use as directed. And the caretaker's like, you know, it's just part of their, you know, sickness, dementia, whatever. And I was like, God, they really are like. Like angels, really. Because it's like, how. How would you just go to work every day knowing this person's gonna, like, smack you or something like that? And they're just like, like. And you just. You're like, they're just old and that's fine. And they're just, like, patient. I'm like, I think I would. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me. Applying to be James Charles, content producer.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did we post that?

[Moses Hacmon]

I had to finish posting, editing it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I didn't see it posted. And I was like, obviously, with the recent James Charles even more topical than ever.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Oh, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

On you guys. I applied to be James Charles, content producer.

[Trisha Paytas]

Pre. Going pre airlines. Because we thought. Because we were kind of like, honestly, this is good. Like, you should post. Yeah, I was really like, this is kind of good. And we'll see what. What he says. Because we forget how awful James Charles is, like, truly the worst person. Like, a horrible human being. And I don't know if I can say that about anyone else because, you know, there's characters, there's, you know, there's trolling, there's all this stuff like that. But, like, he's like an awful human being disguising, trying to, like, mask as, like, a carry a content creator or something. I don't know. Like, no, but he's like, like, literally evil. And we. So. But then we forget all this stuff, right? We're doing the thing. And that's why I thought you weren't gonna post something. Maybe he's not gonna post it. Because I was like, you know what? What? This is kind of camp. Because obviously, even that part, though, him screaming for, like, the applicants, getting the application wrong, being like, you guys didn't submit a video. I was like, maybe he's being camp. And I was like, oh, no, that's him. That's him just being, like, thinking he. He's the end all. Be all of this earth, and that people should just, like, bow down to him. And I was just like, but Oscar submitted to be his assistant. And it was really good. It was a really good video.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, Trisha directed it. Yes. We kind of nailed it. We did my whole application. Application drafted. The email.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you send.

[Moses Hacmon]

I did not submit the email.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Now I'm like, maybe not.

[Oscar Gracie]

No. We want to see the tick tocks that he's gonna make about this application.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm scared. He scares me. For the record, I can actually say this now with no. Like, oh, maybe later he'll change it. I hate James Charles. I don't know why that tickles me so much. I actually did. Do I actually despise him more than any other creator? Number one enemy of the show. I'll collab with Colleen, David, Shay, everybody. I'll clap with everybody before James Charles. Like, he's awful. At least these other people try some humanitarian efforts, right? Like, Colleen did a fundraiser for kids for her birthday, and David tries to give people money in cash. Yeah. Like, you know, they try. There's some inherently evil in them, but they're trying. They try to balance it. It out, but James actively does the opposite. He's like, I know I've been caught and admitted to, like, texting underage boys. I know I've been awful to people. I know I scream at people. But then, like, just doubles down, triples down. And it's just, like, shows himself to be actually, like, inhumane. Like, just thinks, like, I don't. He does not deserve his platform. He doesn't deserve any amount of wealth. But it also all. I'm not the karma police, but it doesn't end well when you are someone who is just so vile and nasty and just thinks that, like, you shouldn't help your fellow human out. Because I've seen the discourse of people being like, well, you know, he could have just not responded. I, like, want to, like, one up that one and be like, no. Like, I think that's kind of like his duty to help people once in a while. But not only, like, yes, I guess he could have ignored it. Right? Maybe he helps other people in the DMs, whatever. And he just chose to. But to also, like, go publicly, like, bad bash this person and just be so, like, calling them lazy and being like, James, you deserve nothing. You deserve nothing. Like, how you got this far is like a mind blown to us all. We're all kind of confused by it, but we're like, okay, you deserve nothing. You deserve nothing of what you have. You live in this beautiful house. You do the bare minimum. You're a nasty person. You're. You're. You're awful. You're also borderline, like, texting these, like, underage boys. And like, what? You're an awful, awful person. So you deserve nothing. But on top of that, lacks. The only talent you have is makeup. And it's like, are you deserving of this? Like, all you do is makeup and you get this beautiful house, you get all these nice things. How are you ever telling someone, like, they're lazy, they don't deserve like that you. All you're doing, you're on live with painted, asking for us. You're always, you're giving, you give the bare minimum and people give you so much. You should be giving all your money out to people because it's like you don't deserve any of it. And it's like these people are working hard. You're flying air airlines, you're flying all these things like that. It's like I just, I hate him. I hate him, I hate him. And there's no redemption for him because we saw the real James and then with the apology, we saw the real James again. And in the comments, doubling down and stuff like that, like, we saw how cruel you are to someone who is like, like asking for help. Like, last resort, like, just like looking for a hand. Like, and even when people email me for money, you know, I like donate sometimes. And sometimes, sometimes people will write back. Not often, maybe twice. People are like, haha, I didn't need the money. You just gave me a thousand dollars. Whatever. Like, at least like you're, you're trying to. Whatever. Maybe they didn't need it, maybe they didn't, Whatever. But it's like help people and help them blindly. When you're given so much for doing so little. And James, you're doing the least, you're doing the least amount. You are going to Coachella, vip, all this stuff like that. And you're doing the absolute least. You're not contributing to society, you're not helping the Internet, you're not inspiring others. You're yelling at your fans, you're yelling at people. It's not cute. I. It took all my might. It's because I had such a good weekend. It was like my birthday. I think Tana said it yesterday. It's Mother's Day. I'm not gonna go into James. I was having such a good flow, but it actually, I think I even texted you back. I'm like, it like consumed me how awful he was. You've done all these things in your past. Obviously the Kayla Malik situation, obviously the armpit situation with boys on Snapchat. Like, there's so much. But now it's just this person who like lost their job job. And you belittling them, mocking them, screaming at like, that's so insane. You are like actually the person ever GoFundMe even was like, what's their GoFundMe? We want to promote it Same like honestly, that person. It's great. There's one thing people can get and rally around is like a GoFundMe right? Once especially if someone sends me a GoFundMe, it looks pretty legit, right? Sometimes I was just PayPal and people money and stuff like that, which I still do. But like if there's a GoFundMe, it's legit. Something like happened to somebody and it's like for you to just be like, you're late. Like insane. To me. Everyone rallies around a go for Everyone wants to help people who make just an average salary, below average salary. Even those people donate because they'll donate $2, $5. Because that's what we do as humans. This world sucks. And like humans just want to help each other out. And I think GoFundMe is like such a. Such a good example of that. Whenever I see a GoFundMe whenever it's at my way, if I see if Oscar posting whoever it is, if Whoever's posting their GoFundMe is right, even if it's like someone we don't know and you just reshare. I always will. Because it's like that's what you should do as humans. Aside from karma and all that stuff like that. As just like human beings. You should just want to help people. Especially when you are given so much for and you're an awful person on top of that. Be lucky brands still want to work with you. Be lucky people want to buy your painted whatever the. You know what I mean? Like, it's like be you should be so. Because it can be all taken away from you and it can be James Charles it happened once. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Let's run that back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yes, it's exactly. There's you can have everything and people. We've seen it. We've seen people with everything get it taken away from them. And it's. I don't wish that on anyone. But if you're a human, you don't deserve what you have if you can't help out your basic person. And like everyone said, you could have just ignored it too. But you know what else you could have done? You could have just shared it. You could have donate Kylie Jenner share stuff. You know what I mean? Like just you can just share things. When I try and share when gofundmes come along because everyone's hurting. Sometimes people just need help with. With rent. You know what I mean? Sometimes. And that's fine. Like people, it's just. I think he's just. I think he's just absolutely the biggest piece. There's no coming back. There's no redemption. I wouldn't say that about any other influencer, truly. There's not one other creator. I'm talking about the Davids, everyone that I don't think any. I'm not about like, oh, you should take someone away, someone's livelihood or whatever. I hope they, whatever have financial ruin and stuff like that. But it's like when you're such an awful person and you show that behavior, it's like you just are not deserving of anything you have like at all. And you could be the most talented, which he's not, but you could be the most talented person in the world and you still like, you know, if you're a bad person, you're still not deserving of all your successes. But you're also just. You're very mid and you're singing sucks. That's it. That's just an added jab at the end. But I try not to come for the pettiness of it all. But also like, you know what I mean? I just, I hate him. And I think when we were doing that patreon, I was kind of once again, you. You forget, you're kind of like, he's camp, he's whatever. No, he's a vile, disgusting human. And I'm not talking about his looks or a singing, I'm talking about the insides. And. And it's. He's right. He's rotten to the core. And I wouldn't say that. I truly. It's so crazy when I think about everyone else that I dislike on the Internet, the Mr. Beast, whatever. It's like no one compares to James Charles. Truly. I think he is just in a level of his own. After this. I was just like, you are disgusting. Because like no other content creator is going to see that email and be like, wow, someone just lost their jobs. Obviously Spirit Airlines out people lost their jobs and. And be like, you lazy. Why did you ask me this like insane behavior, which means you're just an awful person. Anyways, you can set up what happened if you want.

[Moses Hacmon]

You were in a flow state of reading and I was like, I love when you really like crack open the book and you speed read. You really did speed Read James Charles Dickinson and it was lovely to witness.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wish I could do, like, what Jackie did and just go like piece by piece. Or Denisha Carter also did one too, where it kind of like go piece by piece because it actually, actually, like, fuels. Like, my blood boils when I see him physically talking. But I haven't watched it since, like, Saturday or something. But when it's happening in real time, my blood is boiling. I did want to make a Tati Dumb as hello style video responding to it because it was like, I. I mean, I'm glad I composed myself because, like, I wanted to do my old school. I did yell at James Charles back in 2020. Do you remember this? It's like me in front of, like, bushes, like, screaming at him.

[Oscar Gracie]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you remember? And then he kind of clapped back at me. He's like, trisha Paytas, you were the worst. No, James, I think you've now you've officially won the worst title. Maybe back then we could have gone toe to toe, but you have descended into the pits of hell, honestly, like, you have now been officially because he went back. Trisha Paytas is calling out the worst. But I don't know what it was that I called him out for. And I think I apologize at the time. So maybe I went too hard on James Charles. I wish I could have gone harder on him, honestly. But I knew something is something intuitively. People always say I'm a little ahead of my time when calling out creators. I think I was a little ahead of my time. But find that clip of me. I don't know what I was saying. Maybe don't find it. But I was me, I was in the recording studio and I, like, step outside and my blood's boiling and I'm like screaming at my phone, at James Charles. And then he, like, comes back and it was like this beef. It was like a weird beef in 2020. I don't know what it was, but it's deserving now and I'm glad I did it. But he, he's the worst. But you can explain what happened, I guess, because I don't know. People may not know out of context.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I mean, it does feel like at this point, everyone has kind of weighed in on the Spirit Airlines James Charles controversy. But who are we to miss an opportunity to hate on James Charles? Like, that's what I get up for in the morning. I do live.

[Trisha Paytas]

And a topic that universally we can all come together. We can all come together and donate to a GoFundMe and we can all come together and know that James Charles is deserving of every. Of every negative thing. Negative thing. Yes. You know what I mean? And look, not inciting hate. He's. He's done it himself. You know what I mean? It's like, this is my opinion, of course. And it's just like, yeah, I think we can all universally agree in current day. Can we always say this, right? Because people love to be like, people love to bring up James Charles from six years ago, four years ago. There's always, there's always something to cancel James Charles for in the past six years, but it's like he's consistently and currently doing awful behavior time and time again. Last year was Kayla Malik's boyfriend. And being awful every year, there is something. So then of course, when you continue to be awful, you bring up the awful stuff that already happens. Happen. It's like if you. If James Charles started, like helping people, going to do, you know, building houses for people, you know, just started being a part of something. Even Mr. Beast, right? I think he gets. He does those water buckets for people in Africa. Like, you know what I mean? It's like we can be like, well, you're doing something good. You know what I mean? Like, maybe you're not a great person, but at least you're doing something. He's done nothing and he's doing the opposite. So it's like, at least if he did, like a chance change, a little bit of change, we'd love to see growth. We'd love to see it. And sometimes when he's silent, we're like, well, you know, he hasn't done anything horrible in six months. Maybe he's changing. Nope, he hasn't. He's actually still being horrible. So I think that's important to remember when it comes to cancel culture, which I do feel like there. There should only be so many, right? There should only be so many. And it's like, yeah, I don't know. I think like every year maybe get like one or two cancellations maybe. But then also like past the age of 25, you need to stop the cancellation. And then you don't get any more past. But I think this is one that everyone universally is like, yeah, this is like. Because a lot of people like James Charles will never be canceled. But it's like, eventually he's gonna be. He's gonna. Because he's actually a horrible person. Anyway, sorry, keep going. I won't time it anymore.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, well. Well, yes, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sorry.

[Moses Hacmon]

I am so seated for your take on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you, you're so, you're, you're well versed, you're very articulate.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, that is kind of the tease. So he went viral on Tick Tock for posting on his spam account. Again, the timing is very odd because we were just reacting to the tick tock on his secondary account. Which almost inspired you to make a secondary account on Tick Tock as well, asking for a content producer because he ironically was kind of running out of ideas for his own personal socials. Now we know why he has nothing, no concepts whatsoever. And then he posted his little think piece about a woman who reached out to him for help via email asking if he could donate to her GoFundMe because she just lost her job on Spirit Airlines. And you kind of summarized his TikTok pretty well. My favorite parts of it were again him calling her lazy and also calling her a bitch. Repeatedly I'm like, okay, okay. A A man again because James Charles is a man. He is almost a 30 year old man repeatedly calling this woman A. Also so weird because again he could have the, the worst thing he could have done right is just deleted the email, kept it moving. Weird behavior because he went on to describe this girl in the original Tick Tock. He said you are white, you are pretty and you are able bodied. Which then insinuates that he went look this girl up. Up from the name that was on the GoFundMe. Also because he was like, oh, you have never followed me. You've never interacted with any of my pages. So that is so weird. Like James Charles, you obviously, everyone kind of knows, knows you're a freak. But you are also so weird because why would you take so much time to look this woman up, see that she doesn't follow you, hasn't subscribed or commented on your videos, go and went through her photos to see what she looks like, check to make sure she was able bodied. Like, like that is so weird. That and then to go and make the little Tick Tock. There's so many layers of weird behavior in this Tick Tock that is like what the hell is going on? And also we reacted on Patreon to his Coachella vlog.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh right.

[Moses Hacmon]

And in that, I mean I, I, it's funny because we talked about in that like he's getting so egotistical and like into his own head. And this is what happened. Ironically again, the anniversary of by sister. Like everyone was seated for the demise of James Charles back in 2019 because he had gotten his head so big. And he just thought that he was that girl and nothing could ever happen to him. And that's why everyone was ready for something to happen and for him to get humbled. And that's why everyone was quick to, like, unfollow, unsubscribe, because he was his own worst enemy. And on the anniversary for all this to happen, not lost on me. Like, that is fierce. And also, it was just the anniversary of him having to apologize for Kayla, Matt, Alec, like, the same week a year ago.

[Trisha Paytas]

May is not his.

[Moses Hacmon]

May is not his. It's also his birthday month, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

But that is. That is so.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is so interesting you say that because. And you're right. You're right. The. I think that's a very important thing to do when you're, like, your own worst enemy, right? There's. People get canceled for, like, you know, tweets. They made jokes, they said beefs they've had. But it's constantly him saying all this stuff. There's, like, no one even, like, coming for him, obviously. All the stuff with, like, the boys and stuff, stuff like that. Like, and he admitted, by the way, I feel like a lot of people like to forget that too. Like, he's admitted to all this stuff like that. Obviously, the Kayla Mack with the boyfriend coming out there, like, he is like this, like, sneaky snake. It's all stuff that he proactively does. It's not like he's like this victim when he tries to portray himself, like, actively stuffs. And I think that's. I think that's just important to know. It's like he's the one doing. It's not like anyone's, like, trying to come for him. It's not like, you know, a Taylor, Frankie, Paul, where it's like, oh, all the success. And all of a sudden it's like, let me bring up this moment. Or, you know, trying to poke him and get a reaction. Reaction. It's like he's doing all this stuff. Like, this person was just asking for a thing, which, by the way, takes. Takes a lot for someone to, like, set up a GoFundMe. It takes a lot of, like. It humbles you. It's all. It's like. Takes a lot of courage to put that out there, to ask for help and stuff like that. Because obviously the Spirit Airlines closing was, like, a big thing. It's not an easy thing to do. So people already feel maybe embarrassed to already ask for help. And so on top of that, do this. And like you said, go and actively, like, seek this person. You see now that this is a real human being, that this, like a real thing, like you're, you're verifying all this stuff. Like this, that. And it's like, oh, but because she doesn't subscribe to me or support me, like, she doesn't deserve to be helped. She's. She's a bitch. The bitch. Right? I forgot about that use. That also pissed me off. See, that's what I'm saying.

[Moses Hacmon]

I gotta watch multiple times.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, and, and you know what? Like, in the past, I think we can like, could maybe look at James Charles and be like, well, he probably has a lot of insecurities, right? Maybe, obviously, maybe people are not. Weren't nice to him growing up. And it's like, you know, the way he presents himself and stuff like that. So I had a little empathy, right? Like, there's some anger inside, but there is obviously a lot of anger and a lot of issues inside that, like, at this point, you are past the age of 25. Holidays. He.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think he's like 28, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

28.

[Moses Hacmon]

He is, he's turning 27.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's turning 27. So you're past the age 25. You're gonna be 27. It's like, now you need to, like, get help for whatever. I'm sure there is issues that plague you. I'm sure there's. There's trauma in your life because all this anger and calling people and like, like, there's obviously you have issues. You have deep rooted issues, I'm sure. But it's like, now's your time. Time to like, get help. Because you are now being a menace and destructive to like, not just the Internet, but like, honestly, society, like the human race really. And it's scary to watch. And it's like. And he does. We talked about that. I don't know if I talked about this with you or maybe with you. I think I was talking about, like, he does have like a good, like, family life. You know what I mean?

[Oscar Gracie]

Because when this happened. Ask her. Like, he acts like somebody doesn't have parents. Like, doesn't have any guidance in his life.

[Trisha Paytas]

But they're like, so supportive.

[Oscar Gracie]

And then she told me, like, look, he has parents. He actually has like, that.

[Trisha Paytas]

He always says it's really supportive and all this stuff like that. So it's like. Because I think you knew, like, like the Tati situation, how he was like, thinking of her like a mother. So I think he knew that. But he does have, he does have parents. He Said they've always been supportive of him. So it's like. And he has a brother that was like, supported. So he has like family. So this is like there is some like, deep root and also kind of scary because. Yeah. When you start calling like a random person, you don't know, like a. Constantly. And so like, like, with hatred. With hatred. It's scary. It's giving like, it is giving like psychopathic tendencies at least. Because it's like, why are you being like that? Why are you saying that?

[Moses Hacmon]

And like, he said it was like, through his dms. Like, why are you still at this point going through your DMS like that too? Like, there's so many layers of like, weirdness at your.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, we know why he's going through the dms.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we know why.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, like, why are you.

[Oscar Gracie]

It was a young man asking for help. He would be flying him over in two minutes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And like suddenly you're. You're the expert at shooting your shot via dm. So all of a sudden this girl for shooting her shot, like, you, you're the pro at that. She learned from you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, exactly.

[Moses Hacmon]

So what is your problem?

[Trisha Paytas]

And who cares? Like, if she copied and pasted. I mean, people. It's like.

[Oscar Gracie]

But she didn't. He said in the apologies that he just made that assumption.

[Moses Hacmon]

The whole thing. He just assumed his.

[Oscar Gracie]

His apology is worse than the video. Because the apology. He admits, first of all, he was like, this thing triggered me. Like, he admits to just reading something like that and getting triggered. I'm like, okay, that's first issue. And then he admitted to making that assumption that she copy pasted because she didn't. That was not.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then did you see both apology videos?

[Oscar Gracie]

No, I probably saw. I saw the one that got deleted.

[Moses Hacmon]

Influencers are all so out of touch. This is so disgusting. You don't know how hard it is in the job market these days. Oh, my God, give me a break. I am out of touch, first and foremost, okay? I am never going to be one of those influencers that gets online and pretends to be poor so I can come across as relatable to my audience.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because he did. Okay, So I hadn't seen the deleted one. I did when you had texted me because you. I had just seen. Seen the. The third apology video or the second apology video, I guess. Yeah. So you saw the one because it was he like, shirtless in bed. Was that the one you saw? Do you remember? I think so, because that was the first one. That was the one where he was still like just doubling.

[Oscar Gracie]

Definitely the first one. Because the whole thing I was like, this is not an apology. This is just you going further about why you acted. You the way you acted like this triggered me and I made the assumption. But the thing was even worse.

[Moses Hacmon]

The triggered one was his apology.

[Oscar Gracie]

Right, right. I'm saying. But I'm saying the apology was worse to me because.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, no, that was. That was the second apology is what he' he's saying. That's the final apology. There was a first apology that was worse. No, because the second one was bad too. The second one is what I saw and I was like, well, this is not an apology. The first one, he's still yelling at everyone.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. He said, I am standing 10 toes down. Yeah. So he. Oh yeah. So there's so many layers to it. Again. So after it went viral and it was starting to get coverage, I think like buzzfeed had wrote, had wrote an article about it and a couple other places like we're picking it up. But it was pre Jackie Aina response responding. So that apology was I am standing 10 toes down that I still believe in what I said. He said, people think that I'm out of touch. Yeah, I am out of touch. I will not be one of those influencers that sits here and pretends to be poor so I can be relatable. That makes me sick. You guys know how much money I have. And he would. That was. That was his apology. And then in the comments of that that it keeps getting screenshot and shared was like someone said like, girl, you could have just said sorry. And then he replied to that I'm not sorry. And that was the first.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you didn't see that one.

[Moses Hacmon]

That one was deranged.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. You just saying it just like reciting it like makes me.

[Moses Hacmon]

I thought it was AI. I'm like dead. I thought it was AI because it was so crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Once again, James, it can all be taken away from. You're not going to have to act it one day. Like, that's what's so like your entitlement. You're not willingness to help others. That that is insane to just think like, because I have have it, I can talk however I want. I don't have to apologize. Like everyone is telling you you are dead wrong about this. That like how like what like and the fact that you like that you said stand on those. It's not about being relatable where no one's acting you to act for it. They want you to act rich. And you know what? Give your money, donate your money like that. Like that. That is what part of it is. Does like when you get money so easily at that it's like that is part of your duty and that it can all, it can all be taken. And I don't want anyone to ever forget that. Like, I know, I know it's so many people I know it comes, it goes to have that entitlement to think like you. Like I, I will never be in this person's position. You know, I hope you're not. I hope you're not like on Tick Tock Live one day like begging people to send you like roses and stuff like that. But it can all be taken away just as quickly. And it's, it actually makes me sick that you that, that half that apology. Because I saw that one that you said Moses, that apology. And I remember even thinking that too. I was like, well this is like not an apology. Then when I saw that one where he's like, I stand stand by it. And all the comments too. That he stands by it. That shows, that shows the person you are. That shows the person. And then when, yeah obviously when Jackie clap backed and like again, she never does not even clap back. Just was like, you're. You're a dumbass. Like, you know what I mean? Like the same thing. Just telling the truth and oh that. Oh God. Oh, that initial response. Oh my God. You have to watch it because there's also like him in bed, like just like shirtless, like thinking once again that he is just above everything and everyone. The comment section. You guys can't cancel me. And you know what? I've seen a lot of like Tick Tock creators say like, yeah, he's kind of uncanny. Like, no, he's not. No one's uncancellable. It's like you do enough. You do enough bad. It's like it come. It. It's gonna get you. It's gonna get you. And it's insane. And we saw the. That's what I'm saying. There's no coming back from this because that, that first. That response was the real. That's him. That's really him. And even the one that's like, I don't know if it's still up. Is the second apology still up?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think the second one is still up.

[Trisha Paytas]

So even that is like, yeah, because he was trying to explain. He was trying to have people empathize with him. Well, I get triggered by these things and I'm this and I'm Not a big guy.

[Moses Hacmon]

What exactly about poor people triggers you is what I want to know Know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

The worst part of your job, in which you make millions of dollars a year, is that sometimes you get DMs from people that you have to go out and search for, by the way, because you have to go into not your first inbox, not even your second inbox, the third inbox, when you're that big of a creator and really go through and trigger yourself. So, like, you are responsible for your own trigger.

[Trisha Paytas]

Exactly.

[Moses Hacmon]

And if the most. If the most stressful and annoying part of your job is that sometimes strangers will ask you for. For money, baby, count your blessings, because everyone else is going through it way more than you. And again, it's like he said in his the Real, I guess apology video. He's like, I just get upset when people don't have the make it work mentality. Like, because I'm a hustler and I had to make stuff. Baby, you got lucky at 16 years old. And also you. Your parents were well off. You lived in a lovely home.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

You had a lovely family. Like, you weren't out here. Why are you trying to pretend you're out here struggling? You make it work mentality. You got lucky and you've been making millions since you were a teenager.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you continue to get lucky, by the way, by escaping all these cancellations. Like, luck does run out at some point when you are a person. It all catches up to you. And you. That's the thing. You got lucky. And. What do you mean, make it work? The whole airline shut down. Was that her?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so sorry. Like, oh, she probably had this, like, job at the airline she thought was good. The whole airline shut down. What was the other thing that just, like, shut down and gave, like, no one's notice? There was, like, another big company that just, like, shut down completely. And no one. Oh, was it. Was it Access Hollywood?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like, it's like these things shut down so quickly. Everyone loses their jobs. They don't know, like, where the job

[Moses Hacmon]

market is flooded because you have 100 people who have the same skill set as you. And the. There's not as many openings as there are people who need work that it's

[Trisha Paytas]

like the economy sucks. Like, every. Like, to the make it work mentality is crazy. She lost her job. You have no idea what her situation is. Like that. It doesn't even matter. Even if she's just by. By herself trying to make it by. She's just trying to. To Find it should be. Honestly, when people send, like, dms or anything like that, it should be like an honor and a privilege that you're able to do it. Like, I always think, like, oh, my God, the fact that someone's like, asking me, I also know takes a lot of, like, humility. Even at my shows. I remember someone came up to me and was just like, you know, I don't have a money for, like, my son's bed, stuff like that. And I know. I can see it in their face. Like, I feel so embarrassed to ask this or whatever like, that I know how hard it is. I've had to ask for money. I had to do lots of things for money that I'm not proud of. And it's like, it can be an embarrassing thing for people. So, like, when people already have to ask that, it's like, that's already such a step and then to go ahead and mock it. But if you have the mean, I think. I think if you have the means, a lot of people, he could have just ignored it. Whatever. I'm like, if you have the means to, like, give a couple hundred dollars to someone, it's like, why wouldn't you? Especially if you already open the DM to me, that's like, oh, we've had a connection. It's like when I had the email, right, The Trish food for you, and there was thousands. But I'm like, okay, if there's one that I opened, of course I'm going to, like, pay that because of the thousands I opened this one. It's like, meant to be. Same thing with your DMs. Okay. There must have been a reason you had to open that, right? And maybe it is. Maybe now that girls gofundme. I don't know. Has she come? She probably has come public. I don't think so.

[Moses Hacmon]

And he said he wanted to reach again in the second apology that he was trying to reach out to her, but he lost the DM and said, if you see this, please reach out to me again, girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, girl, don't. But, like, reach out and like a gofundme. Well, everyone. Everyone's gonna be flooding that gofundme. And no, he knows.

[Oscar Gracie]

I mean, he checked every aspect of her. If she follows him, dmd him all

[Moses Hacmon]

that, he probably remembers her.

[Oscar Gracie]

Usually even in her search, he. She's there. It's not like.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's the thing too. Again, in the Coachella video that we reacted to, like, there was a big moment that we were like, ew. Because he Bragged about, like, not tipping the. Yes. So he brags about this kind of behavior. He. There was a moment where he ordered some nachos or whatever the hell, and he was like, $37, I'm not tipping this. And he literally kept it in the video, zoomed in on the little machine, and said, tip zero to these two girls who are making his. At first, I'm like, oh, he just got a water bottle. I still thought that was tacky. I'm like, I guess if he got a water bottle, whatever, it's still kind of tacky, because I know damn well you can afford the little tip. And then he got his plate of nachos, a bit of nachos, and he wouldn't tip. And again, you are a millionaire who literally is bragging about spending $15,000 on your mansion Airbnb in the Coachella Valley. And you can't even tip these two girls making your nachos, which, by the

[Trisha Paytas]

way, they don't control the prices. They don't have a food cart there. They're, like, making their own nachos, where they buy their own ingredients for a dollar. And our charging you $37. Like, what do you mean? These people are out there. Like, that's why they're working. That's why there is a tip there. And also, piece of. You have the means. I don't care. And I know people have their own issue. There is a tip option, and I have the money to. I'm going to tip if it's a roundup to St. Jude. If it's on Domino's, there's always round to St. Jude. If it'S a roundup, you want help the kids, like, you should always be saying, yes, but much less. You're a Coachella. And these two people are like, they're. They're. They're literally doing a service. Right? I guess the people can argue. Like, even people make your drinks. I still think it's a service, but, like, oh, like, why am I tipping someone if I'm picking up my own food? Well, they put it together for. For you, and this is Coachella. It's like you just spent 37 on nachos, but you can't give, like, $5

[Oscar Gracie]

to these girls flowing for free in a private jet to go there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar Gracie]

And. And you don't order food without thinking about it ahead of time. When you order food, you think about the tip in that. You think about, okay, how much is going to cost, how much the team is going to be. You don't order food. And then as an afterthought you're like, you know what? That was expensive to my taste. I'm not going to tip the person that doesn't decide how much it costs.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And also he's not even thinking about that. If the nachos were $57, he would have paid for him. So it's like give that extra $20. Because he's not even thinking about that either because it's like he has obviously the money to like do it. He really, like you said, made a point in the video to just show how like, like that is. You're so right. When I think about that, the fact that you left that in your vlog, in your Coachella vlog where you, like you said, you're bragging about make it such a good point. You're bringing about the house, about everything, like how much you. He's like, I pay all my employees so well. It's like, but these girls you can't tip. And he made the point to show, like you said, the $0.

[Moses Hacmon]

Zoomed in on it was like a big talking point. And like he's in the same vlog too. When he's talking about how much he spent on the Airbnb and he complains about like some of the amenities not working at this fifteen thousand dollar Airbnb. He's like that. He has this quote that I saw on Tick Tock and that's what made me want to watch a vlog to hate on it. It was like, I know that like everyone has financial, different financial situations and like people don't like when I talk about money. But like I paid $15,000 for this Airbnb and like, like it was freezing cold when I woke up and the heater wasn't working. And I'm like, girl, you are actually a dastardly sick human being. And again, this is really him because he brags about this behavior. And ironically he made a tik tok similar to this Spirit Airlines one a couple months ago where he talked about how he gets annoyed when people send him gofundmes. But I think it kind of flew under the radar cuz it was like more general.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I, I didn't know either. I saw it come up. Like someone said this isn't a first time he did that. And they ran this other one back where he complained about getting sent go random gofundmes and getting asked to donate, but he didn't like specifically like address it to someone where this was like, kind of a specific person.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy, because a GoFundMe is like a set where I get emails and be like, here's my PayPal, here's my Zeller, whatever. Like that. So I was. You kind of don't know, but, like, GoFundMes usually have, like, a story. They have like a Amazon presents Jeff vs. Taco Truck Salsa. Whether it's verde roja or the orange one, for Jeff, trying any salsa is like playing Russian roulette with a flamethrower. Luckily, Jeff saved with Amazon and stocked up on antacids, ginger tea and milk. Habanero. More like habanero, yes. Save the everyday with Amazon picture. Like, it kind of is like a thing that they're sharing around to other people because they need it, right? Like, a GoFundMe is like, there's thought into it. There's this. It's never just like a random person asking for money. Like, there's usually, like, a little thought into it. So be annoyed that people are sending you. Like, go. It's one thing for people to be like, send me $50, whatever. Which, again, is like, whatever. I mean, you can send it or don't, but it's like a GoFundMe is like this thing that's, like, structured, and there's like a. There's an actual, like, story behind it. I don't know. It's just all of that. And, you know, he admitted. He said he was out of touch in his first apology video. He said, I was out of touch. And it's like, you're. You'll. There'll be something that, like, just humbles him. And it's obviously finances are, like, a thing that's obviously his trigger and also something that he just. Just thinks he's owed and entitled to. And it's like something financially, I just think is like, I don't know that that humbling is going to come harshly. And it's not. It's not. Okay. And if it's not financially or whatever, it's like, there is something that's just universally. There's a way of this humbling people because it's like, we're here to help each other. We're here to help people. It's one thing to, like, whatever, like, spend your money as you want. It's another thing to, like, also, like, taking it away from people, like girls working for tips and stuff like that. To be. Be like, so disgusting and so arrogant about just being like, I'm not even tipping for this. Like, okay, so you're an. You're an awful person. Like. Like, you're right. And we let it. It's so funny. It does just go under the radar, I think, because it's James Charles and people just know him as being just a lunatic and stuff. And I think it's just like, people, oh, it's James Charles. But I'm glad this. I'm glad this one did because it is again, it's like, it's a humanity thing. There's so many things to cancel James Charles for, but it's like you're. You're kicking someone when they're, like, down. And so many people are in that position. And it's something that nobody should ever go through. And I. I also hope James Charles not to go through it, but. But it's like, maybe you have to go through that to, like, appreciate what you have, which he clearly does not.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I think too, just like, how hateful it was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, it was just like the anger.

[Moses Hacmon]

The anger and like the diction and the word choice. Like, the way that he talked about this stranger. He doesn't know who he made a hundred assumptions about and, like, made up a scenario and a backstory in his head that probably isn't even true. And then it makes you think, wow. So you look at every other person who is, like, unemployed or struggling. Do you see people who have little signs on the street who are asking for any kind of donations? And you think, oh, I hate those people? Like, that's what I'm thinking of. I think he literally hates anybody who cannot benefit him financially or, like, culturally or just like in the status quo. Anyone who cannot benefit him in any way. He does not care about you or sexually. If you are not a tall, lanky white boy. Boy. He does not care about you if you are a woman. He does not care about you if you are not painted palettes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Hates you. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I mean, that's the message he showed. And then clock it again because the only. The time he really did, the thoughtful apology, the one he kept up was after the Jackie Aina Tick tock went viral where again, it's a woman who's in the same sphere as him. I also not lost to me that she's a black woman. And James has like a history of being racist. I mean, at 17, he was making jokes about Africa, not wanting to go to Africa. So that was kind of his first scandal. So that's also not lost to me as a woman who is in the same field, who also has a successful business who broke it down very eloquently. And as someone who could, like, actually hurt him, you know, like, actually affect him, kind of like. I mean, a similar level to like, a Tati, you know, doesn't have the same relationship, but, like, the same, like, status of Tati at the time and influence. And then that's when he actually. And in his apology video, they use that sparingly. But the one he kept up, like, he kind of uses the same verbiage that Jackie used.

[Trisha Paytas]

Exactly. What was it? It was something. Oh, God. It was.

[Moses Hacmon]

He talked about how, like, it was immature. I could have just. It was unnecessary. I was privileged and obnoxious and rude.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he used almost like an exact phrase on hers, too. And it was like, like. So everyone's like, oh, you clearly watched the Jackie.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which. It's. It's. It's a. It's actually. It was even better that it's coming from Jackie because Tati, people could say her feelings were hurt because of the sugar motive.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, Jackie said, she doesn't comment on things. She kind of, like, stays in her own lane. And she does. I follow. I followed her for so long. I, like, love her. I love her whole aesthetic. I love everything about her. And, yeah, she really rarely does. I mean, I think I can think of maybe one other occasion where she's, like, talked about another crew creator, but, like, again, articulately inside, like, James, like, yells and whatever. The way she, like, came across and, like, has the. Like, you said they're both in the beauty industry. Not the same people. But I think it had so much. Like you said. There was, like. You said it earlier where it's like, he doesn't care unless you can, like, kind of go toe to toe with him, like, financially or impactfully status quo.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, she. I don't think he cared when it was the. The Tick tockers who were, like, commentary creators with a few thousand followers. Making these tick tocks is literally in the one he deleted. He's like, all these tick tockers with their think pieces, using clips of me and I don't care. I'm sitting 10 toes down. So, like, he didn't care when it was smaller creators, but then having someone on the same level as a James Charles again who is, like, doesn't really get involved in the stuff, because I think even if you did it, he wouldn't care.

[Trisha Paytas]

Of course. No, of course not. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But Jackie, like, she's very, like. She's just the same sad, like, I feel like that's kind of what he wants to be with Painted because she has her own business, you know, so. And she's in Sephora. So I think he sees that and, like, that's what he wants to be professionally. So he's like, he'll never be the pivot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you'll never be. And you never will be. You will never, ever be. Especially after this. Like, you will never be that. Is he in Sephora? No, he's not in anything. He's not an altar. He's not in anything right now.

[Moses Hacmon]

He was a morphe. But those doors are closed.

[Trisha Paytas]

Exactly. Those doors are closed. Not even getting a CVS or something. Like, nothing. Like, you are are. You are nothing and you will never be. And why. And that's an interesting point, because I am shocked because so many influencers have been able to transition into like, Like a Patrick Stars and like a Sephora. And, like, Jack, was Jacqueline Hilbin in Sephora? No, maybe not her, but anyways. But people have transitioned, and I'm kind of surprised he's never has because he does have, like, a massive fan base. But again, I think that's just, again, maybe, like, universally a way of, like, humbling him because it's like, you'll never be that. Especially now, you'll never get out of. Because people. The Internet is forever, Right? We've all learned this, obviously. I know it's awful. And it's like, yeah, you'll never. Because you are consistently being this. This is what everyone's gonna see. This is what the headlines are never. Literally the headlines. And it's recent. It's 2026, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Who.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who's gonna want to work with this? Who's. Nobody in 2026 wants to be around someone like this. And you'll never be. Yeah, you'll never be any of the people that you look up to. And you're actually just lowering yourself more and more. Like, you are. You are the trash. You are lower than any of the people that think are beneath you. Like, like, you are. You are the trash of the Internet. And it's out there forever. It's out there forever. And yeah, I, I even, even that second apology was just like, not an apology. It's like, no one, no one feels bad for you. Like, just saying, put a damn shirt

[Moses Hacmon]

on, stand in front of the lights.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

And sit your down and give a real apology. I. That's how I know, like, his publicist or whoever was like, girl, you need to lock in and say something, because he did it, like, in his bed laying down. So. And both apologies, like, being shot shirtless like you're again, a grown man.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Put a damn shirt on. Give your 10th apology video, and, like, act like you mean it, honey.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because we don't even care anymore, though, right?

[Oscar Gracie]

Take action. I mean, the. That we don't care what you say to just take action. Make up for what you did.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, just. But we do. Well, every year, every six months, it's something. And it's like, you can, in this

[Oscar Gracie]

case, help the person, like, do something. Do an action that shows that you think differently about the situation.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's like, the bare minimum, though.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, again, for James Charles, whatever. But like, last year with the Kayla Malik situation, where he was, like, colluding with her abusive ex boyfriend, he at least made a donation to women who were victims of DV something. So it's Again, after he got called out. Called out. Yeah. But that was, like, his PR spin. I don't know if at this point he just feels like he's uncancellable and, like, really does not give up because this is really not doing anything right. Like, he. It's not like he went like, yeah, I'm gonna make this right and donate X amount to, you know, whoever. This time it was really like, oopsies, Right? I was caught. The backlash made me rethink. That's what he wrote in the comments. Like, oh, now that I got the backlash, like, it made me rethink my. My stance after I didn't. I said I wasn't sorry. I was, like, twice.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Serious brag about you've been bragging about this behavior. You think you're better than everybody. You think your wallet's fatter than everybody else's, and you don't give a. About anyone.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's not forever.

[Oscar Gracie]

You don't tip people.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. All of it will catch up to him. It's all bad, bad behavior. And. And yeah, thank God someone called him out, like, you said, like, because that's the only time he'll listen is, like, he thinks he's at someone's level. I think she's so above him. But I feel like he thinks, like, they're, like, in the same. Cause they're like, you know, whatever. So I think that's the only reason he listened. Otherwise, like, you said he did not care. And he said that. He said he didn't care. So anyways, you're awful. We've always hated you, so. And now I can say that with conviction because, you know, I. I tried Not. I'm like, well, maybe they're going through something. Maybe they're this. But, like, no, that's just a horrible person that we see him time and time again. And this is the lowest. I think this is the lowest. I think there's just, like, not any lower you can go. And it wasn't a troll, and it wasn't any of that because he. Like you said. He said tendo's down, and he stands by it. So you're the worst. I don't know who the fans are left, but maybe he just keeps getting, like, new. Like, they're, like, born, you know, like. So, like. Like the new. The people, like, the babies now, though, when they're, like, 13, they find James Harlem. Like, we love him or whatever. And so maybe that. That's it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, yeah, I think that's a part of it. Also on YouTube, he gears his content towards, I would say, like, tweens teens, because it just skews young with, like, the concepts and everything. Like, buying dinner from Facebook Marketplace. Like, he does these, like, kind of, like, trendy, gimmicky things, and it's. It gives, like. I'm not gonna say YouTube kids, but it gives, like, tween vibe. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, so I think that's why, like, the people who are like, oh, there's nothing wrong with this, because James, they just kind of like going with whatever he says. So if he's saying, there's nothing wrong with this, like, oh, yeah, people shouldn't be begging for money. They should go out and work. I think it's all kids who have no concept of working.

[Trisha Paytas]

Exactly. Of course.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And what an awful influence that is to, like, you can. You do have that influence over people and the, like, that's what they're learning. I think it's. Yeah, he's awful. Oh, my gosh. The whole thing made me sick. That was, like, the worst. Oh, my God. Yeah. You know what? I was having such. I had. I saw good vibes. Just that this little pit stain of James Charles out there is just, like, the worst. But

[Moses Hacmon]

anyways, well, Mr. Beast also had a birthday, everyone.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. There's a lot.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, a lot of birthdays.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's some good Tauruses and there's some bad Tauruses. The females are all great. I don't know what these meant. Mr. Ben Beast. One's his birthday.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think this was May 8th.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, that's my birthday. No, we do not. Same birthday.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, no, sorry. His is May 7th. I did think you Guys have the same birthday. Him and Adele have the same birthday. Yeah. Because pop bass tweeted on May 7, Mr. Beast turns 28. And then they also tweeted for Adele. Happy 38th birthday to the iconic Adele.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Oh, we're the same.

[Oscar Gracie]

I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

The same age one day apart.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

The Emmy, 16 times Grammy and Oscar winning vocalist, is one of the biggest four stars in music history. With numerous records to her name, including one of the fastest selling albums of the 21st century. She is one of the best selling and most acclaimed artists of all time. And then Mr. Beast quote, tweeted that and said, I find it funny how different these two tweets are. Comparing his tweet from pop bass to Adele's.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was his.

[Moses Hacmon]

Mr. Beast turns 28.

[Oscar Gracie]

Wow. Comparing himself to everyone else.

[Moses Hacmon]

World's tiniest violent. Like he always wants again, always wants to be a victim. Weirdly like you guys, I have no money. You guys have more bank money in your bank account than me. Why is it they'll have a better message than me? I don't know. Maybe because it does more accomplished than you did.

[Trisha Paytas]

We learned nothing from the Caleb Heron tweets. Like, let's stop tweeting. Like, what the hell? Like that. That's so weird. He's weird behavior to him. And James Charles should clap. Maybe he's in the new thing. At least Mr. Beast does some good. You know what I mean? That's good. That's what I'm saying. It balances a little bit. But. But you're. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Mr. Beast, also an egomaniac and also has a weird kind of victim complex. Despite being like the most successful YouTuber like in history and also the richest. But at least he tries to help.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, right. He puts up. He has people helping him. At least put money to the right places and stuff. Is there any females that are egomaniacs like this? I'm trying to think like female influencers.

[Moses Hacmon]

Colleen.

[Trisha Paytas]

But she masks a little better. She does disguise a little better. I think we like saw and then we're. Oh, okay. Like, at least she mad. But yeah, she is. She's probably. Yeah. There as. As far as like, like not good inside. She's definitely rotten to the core. But yeah, maybe, maybe her. But damn, not very many. I. When you read the Adele one, I. I thought it was also gonna be my bio.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was like, wait, that's not Mayh.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, wait, I just copy and paste. You should do it. You should copy and paste it. We missed it though. It was May 8th.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'll schedule it. I'll schedule it. Tweet for next year.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because maybe you will have the Emmy. I mean, you very well could have the Grammy. At least if it's not a song. You audiobooks are eligible for Grammy, so that might be.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, really?

[Moses Hacmon]

So you have an in if not for a song. Like, I don't know if your K pop song will get in there, but at least the. The audiobook.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what's so funny is I wasn't thinking about this, obviously. I just love like, my kids love K pop music. Like all kinds of K pop. Not just like demon hunters. They listen to like a bunch of girl groups. And I was like, oh, I want to do one for them because it's like catchy and fun or whatever. And then when we watched the Hacks, the Deborah Vance episode where she did the mariachi to get her Grammy, I was kind of like, oh, maybe there's like a niche category. Not to take away from all these, the real K pop artists, but maybe there's like a niche like first time K popper or something like that that I could get the Grammy. I was like, fan favorite.

[Moses Hacmon]

First K Pop they make up white person. Fan favorite K pop singer, not speaking Korean.

[Trisha Paytas]

Korean singer, like, you know what I mean? That would be like a category that I could be like, sneak in. Like that would be cool. Because I saw her, I was like, well, it's kind of a smart idea actually, but maybe the audiobook might be a better contender. And what was the other ones I have to hit?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oscar winning vocalist, fastest selling album of the 21st century. One of the best selling and most acclaimed artists of all time.

[Trisha Paytas]

The fact that Mr. Beast even was like, where's my. What are they gonna write about you? Be lucky Pop Base even mentioned you.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. Just get a birthday sweet from Pop base is an honor. Like, take that. I love it with that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think they put my. My screenshot for me for you. Like, what do we think of tonight's episode?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, everyone was using that, so that's how I know you were the. The winner of the.

[Trisha Paytas]

The star of it. Yeah, that was funny. I'm always happy when pop bass or anything mentions me.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm like, yeah, I know. Like, what happened to people just having some kind of gratitude these days? Like no one has any gratitude.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know it. Yeah, we should me scared piss him

[Oscar Gracie]

off even more white on famous people birthday for Mr. Beast Day. If he's not the Mr.

[Trisha Paytas]

Beast. Remember we looked up and it was always Social media people. It's always like tik Tokers.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Oscar Gracie]

Usually it's social media account.

[Moses Hacmon]

See? Yeah. He is number one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, well.

[Moses Hacmon]

And Jake Bon Jo. Oh, Jake Bon Jovi. Millie. Bobby Brown's husband's on the list.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's May 7th.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Wait, what is.

[Trisha Paytas]

He didn't get a happy birthday from poppies. That's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God. Wait, this is actually even worse because Adele's birthday is two days before he posted it. He posted that on his birthday? Adele's tweet. Oh. So I thought they had the same birthday, but he actually screenshotted this from two days before. So he went back two days back to screenshot Adele's birthday message and compare that to his. That's.

[Oscar Gracie]

So he could have chose anyone.

[Moses Hacmon]

He could have chosen anyone because it's everyone's birthday every day.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. What.

[Moses Hacmon]

How would have been. Oh, yours is the after. I would have said. That would have been so funny. If you chose yours. I would have like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. Did I get a happy birthday in prop base? I.

[Moses Hacmon]

You definitely did.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did they give me a bio or they just gave you a happy birthday?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think they just gave you. They didn't do as bare minimum as Mr. Beast. They just said, like, happy birthday to something. Trisha Paytas. But you did get an adjective in there at least.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's May 8? Who's number one May 8? Is it me or is it. I think Takashi69 was the other one that was. And then Enrique.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Legend Iglesias. I know. We always kind of went back and forth.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, let's see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no.

[Moses Hacmon]

David Attenborough. Katie B. The pop singer. Takashi 69. Brooklyn Sky. And then Trisha.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I've fallen. I used to be. I was number one at one point. David Attenborough.

[Oscar Gracie]

There's probably more categories, like under your specific.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I swear. I was like number one May 8th for a minute. Damn, I'm really down.

[Moses Hacmon]

You are the number one. First name Trisha. And the first number one from Riverside, California.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

And the number two, Mukbang creator.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, who's number one?

[Moses Hacmon]

That's a good question. Bad Lily.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I don't even. I thought. I thought it would be like nicocado or something. Okay, shout out Bad Lily.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or Jane Mukbang. Somebody. Yeah. That's crazy. Well, good for her. Yeah. I wonder how they do that. How do they do those ratings?

[Moses Hacmon]

I have no idea. Like, do people vote or. Oh, yeah, you can boost, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. All right. I don't know if I'm Allowed to go tell you to boost. But if you want to go boost, boost, feel free to do it. I don't know, but we had looked up like, I think it was like Bono's birthday or something. Like, oh, surely he'll be the number one. He was like, number like 20. And all these like, random people we never heard of, like, tick tock creators were above there. I was like, so weird, so random.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I don't know the rhyme or reason for famous birthdays. I'm assuming it can be rigged, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

But famous birthdays, always tweeting too. They're always like, happy birthday to this person. They always like, DM me and stuff like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

So sweet.

[Trisha Paytas]

DM and back.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Move me up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Give me a little higher. Who's number one on your day?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, great question.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're. I always forget July 14th. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's a lot birthdays in, like, my week.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Vinnie Hacker, fellow Euphoria star. That's major.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he number one?

[Moses Hacmon]

He's number one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Conor McGregor is number two.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. These are Bloodhound, Lil Jeff, Ashley Lou, Maya, Rafico, Loni. Love Julia Wolf. I do love her, actually. She's singer Jane lynch. She's number 10.

[Oscar Gracie]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Legends. Anyone else I know, which is funny. Dan Reynolds from Imagine Dragons. He's the lead singer of Imagine Dragons.

[Trisha Paytas]

You like them? I don't even know them.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't like them. But I know he is hot because anytime he takes his shirt off to sing Radioactive, Radioactive, the gays. The gays love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I never. I know Bed and Dragons is like a thing and I. I like the name. That's how I know the band. But I don't know any of their songs. Songs, I don't even know that one.

[Moses Hacmon]

They come on and it comes on the mall a lot. Like, if you're shopping them all. Imagine Dragons will be playing. It's time to begin. Isn't it something?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's even Rune 5 a little bit too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Dorit Kemsley. Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot on July 14th.

[Trisha Paytas]

We love that. Yeah, we love a. We love a cancer. July 14th. Aquaman was close. He was close. July 14th. July 12th. Yeah, I do love a July birthday. I feel like it's summertime. People aren't really doing much. You can kind of just chill and hang out.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Tea. Another tick tocker who had controversy was Jake Shane, which again, in comparison to, like, everything else that was going on, seemed like very, like, not important. But Jake Shane got backlash for talking first interview with Casey Musgraves, where he asked the meaning behind one of the lyrics of her songs. And he said that his favorite lyric from her song Golden Hour from Slow Burn from the album Golden Hour Hour was in Tennessee, the sun's going. The sun's going on, but in Beijing, they're heading out to work. And he was, like, asking her what that meant. He's like, it's my favorite lyric. Me and my friend are always debating about what this lyric means. Like, what does it mean? And she goes like, what do you mean? It just means that the time zones exist. Like, here the sun is going down, but over there, the sun's coming up, like, they're going to work. And he was like, right, right. And people were, like, really upset by this. I mean, y' all was a dumb question, but, like, I don't think it was that big of an offense, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, because I definitely, like, asked them questions, and sometimes, like. But. But I think. I think what. Yeah, people's reactions were crazy. I think the reactions were crazy, obviously, in comparison, like a James Charles situation. But I guess what, like, got me because. Right. Like, I'll ask dumb questions of something. Like, if someone's talking about something I know about, I'm, like, trying to figure it out, and you, like, say something dumb. But he said this was, like, his favorite lyric.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think he specifically says my favorite lyric. My friend and I debate it all the time. Time. Maybe the friend is really the one that was in the wrong here. Like, maybe Jake knew it was, like, not that deep. But the friend was, like, insisting that, no, there has to be, like, some meaning to this. So maybe it's the friend's ball. We might have to throw the. If I was Jake Shane, I would get on Tick Tock and I would take. I would be like, here's my friend who really was the dumb one and couldn't comprehend what Casey Musgrave's lyric. I would literally grab her up and be like, this is the one you got.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I want to know his interpretation of that line. What were you debating? What was the debate?

[Moses Hacmon]

That's what. That's the tea. Like, how else is there to, like, analyze the lyrics?

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, you be Jake Shane and I'll be his friend, and we'll, like, talk. We'll say, this is our favorite. Like, okay. So we're like, damn. You know that. You know that song by Casey Musgraves? You know the song Slow Burn?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, do you have a favorite line

[Moses Hacmon]

from There, I would say this. The sun's going down, but in Beijing, they're just. They're going to work.

[Trisha Paytas]

Damn. That's my favorite line, too. I want to know why. Why it's your favorite? Because that's my favorite favorite, too. But I'm surprised it's your favorite because it has a special meaning to me. What's it mean to you?

[Moses Hacmon]

To me, as someone who loves Beijing and, like, I know they. They work really hard over there, and I'm someone who, like, I really appreciate the make it work mentality. Like, I don't want no lazy. Like, I love that in Beijing, they're actually going to work and working hard for their money. Like, that's what I. That's what I love to see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. We see the lyrical. Oh, yeah. Mine, it was just like, you know, it's that sunset hour. That's when my girl goes down on me and then. But when I'm in Beijing, I get no head. Oh, but that's crazy. We have different interpretations of it. We should ask Casey Musgraves, if you ever meet her, what it means. See which one she's going with. Because, like, to me, it's like, what do you mean? That's your favorite lyric. And you. I don't know. Like, again, I'm only talking about this because this was like, hot Topic. I mean, Jimmy Wetzel sent it on.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. See, that's how you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And I was napping, too, and I woke up. I see Moses runs. And if Moses runs, like, maybe there's something happening.

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't know that was happening. I was like, oh, I love it, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's. I was like, okay, this is a hot topic. Yeah. That's only reason coming because honestly, I don't think, like, they deserves, like, a backlash. It's like, it wasn't that bad. I think in general, people are just don't love, like, influencers as hosts. As we said it, like, interviewers and stuff like that, especially Jake Shane is getting all these really good quality guests, and I, like, feel. Feel like people don't think it's fair. Which. Yeah. Is it the best interview? No, he's not. Best interview. But he gets views and people like him, so I make sense why these big celebrities want to go on there. I. In my mind, I think one of two things could happen. I think one, someone, like, wrote that for him, and he kind of was like, oh, this is my favorite. Like, maybe someone wrote it for him.

[Moses Hacmon]

And this was, like, so specific, though. Like, I don't like, even as, like, a producer, I would never think to ask her about this tiny, like, specific lyric from not even her new song. Like, it's a Her single from, like, four years ago, maybe longer. Like, five years ago. When did Golden Hour even come out? Because she won a Grammy for it when I was at ET the first time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. So, yeah. I don't know. I feel like maybe someone set him up then. I don't know. Like, what? That's so random. I don't think he listens to Casey Musgraves. I don't think he's that Stagecoach. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, 2018 is when his album came out. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you mean? Like, that. As I'm saying, I feel like someone maybe. Like, maybe they wanted to know. Maybe they were like, you know how my aunt's like, next time you see Donny Osman, she's like, ask him. Ask him what time he was born. Because we're born on the same day, and I want to know who's older. And I'm like, okay, that's a random thing. So maybe someone, like, I had told him, like, ask him this thing. That's the only thing I can think of. Or I was trying to think, like, too. I was like, maybe he was trying to do, like, another viral moment, like, the Ed Sheeran thing that even now,

[Moses Hacmon]

way more sense, hopefully. Yeah, Like a little, like, acting dumb kind of thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Definitely. Like, you know, I've acted them, of course. Like, you know, like, you know, because, you know, it could get. It's cutesy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But maybe people don't find Jake Shane doing it as cutesy like they did for that year, and it worked.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think now, especially now, he's getting ripped like Jake. You're losing your clown privilege, baby.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Mama.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think you're lifting up the weights. You're going too hard. You're going too hard at the Aloe Gym, baby, and you're losing that clown jester. So you got to pick one. If you're gonna pick up the weights, you got to drop the jester prison. But they don't. They don't go hand in hand.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so real. Oh, my God, you're Right. Now you're gonna. Yeah, you're gonna have to. You have to do a new shtick now that you're getting high.

[Moses Hacmon]

If you want to be cutesy, you're gonna have to keep eating those donuts. But if you, like, want to be ripped, you're gonna have to figure something else out.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're I think that's so it. I think you're so right that the glow up is too real because he's shirtless now and stuff. That could be. Yeah, because like the dumbness is cute if you're like. If you're like chubby or something like that or like, you know, but like, if you're like, you're like style.

[Moses Hacmon]

If you're getting styled head to toe, you're hanging out with Kyle Gerber. Yeah. And that's a fun life.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like that's a key lane you're gonna pick.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You gotta start leveling up. Get a little smarter with those questions. You can't be cutesy anymore.

[Moses Hacmon]

It won't fly anymore. I'm a quirky, like therapist guy who like, you know, that's so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's so real. So I think we cracked the code on what happened there. Hopefully it is great how Jake Shane never makes a statement. I wish he'd be a little bit like Tana where they just have that, that phone. Like, let me just say it right now what I'm feeling because I do love, I do love one of those moments. But. But he keeps it moving and he really. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

The OG brand safe. I think he's never gonna out step outside that box, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. You're so right. Well, maybe James Charles need to take a lesson and to just stop talking.

[Moses Hacmon]

He went the full like opposite direction. Like running in the screaming, complaining, ignorant direction. I really don't know why. I think that's just what he is and like what he likes to do do. Because really there's no sensical explanation for that rebrand of like being the screaming, complaining ignorant guy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think he does nothing. Like you said he. He was putting out looking for applicants to help him. Literally, he like, as Oscar applied, it was like, give me three content ideas. So like Oscar had like come up with like ideas for him and like you said, he said he, he went through some of the submissions. He said there was like 100 and like only 17 ideas. So he was like going through them. So maybe someone gave him this idea. Maybe, like, maybe you should try this. Because like, honestly, I think he has no idea ideas. And I think that's what's happening with this. Because even like the whole painted, I mean, no one's gagged for that. Like they were for his. What was the morphe one you keep talking about?

[Moses Hacmon]

The artistry palette. Yeah, and artist.

[Trisha Paytas]

I remember for the back alley. Like I was thinking about the artistry palette. I kept thinking you were thinking about the painted. I'm like, painted. You're like, no, but this was the original. Whatever.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. The 2019.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Nobody was. I mean, people, I guess we're getting for that. But not only anyone's seated for painting like that. No one's, like, recreating that moment. Like, we love painted. Like, you know, no one's organically using it. Like, I see people using. Using the one size. I see people organically using stuff. I never once seen my makeup artist, like, pull out a painted palette.

[Moses Hacmon]

I remember when he was promoting Painted, there was. He knows, like, makeup artists. So I think he got Beyonce's makeup artist to use it on a. I think for Renaissance or something for that album, like a shoot or whatever. But it's because, like, he had, like. It's not because Beyonce was gagged. It was because he knows her makeup artist or something. So there's stuff like that that he would, like, be, again, very braggadocious about. Again, if you're a celebrity mua. Of course he's going to be. Be up your ass.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, of course.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. But again, that's the only time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, even us for a minute, he was in our dm, like, I need to have a phone call. It's like, I think you need to. Yes. Like, even Pockets. You think about that. Even pockets don't want. I'm like, this is really, truly no shade toast, if you ever announced. But that was the only one he could go on, and no one cared. Do you remember we looked at the views? Yeah, it was like 30, 000. And I think. I think people. Because I remember he would, like, preface us, be like, I don't even to want. Want to come on the podcast. I just want to have a conversation with you. And I was just like, no, thank you. And you were not invited. We made that clear. Even pre Spirit Airlines video, we made that clear that you were not going to be invited on this podcast. So we were ahead of it, too. I'm like, this is a gag. This is a joke. This is for Patreon. And now I don't even feel bad for it. Because you're so weird. Because it was just so weird that he was screaming at people. And I was like, but I would love. I would love you to still submit it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I went some, like, not because of James Charles. I had fun doing our little submission video because it was kind of like a spoof. Our inspiration again was Elle woods applying for Harvard.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Her Harvard submission video. And we were giving that.

[Trisha Paytas]

We were. You really nailed it and you locked in. You were doing like one takes. Like whenever I do tiktoks like that I require a lot. Like I do like at least like five or six to make sure I got it. Like I got it. I was like wow, damn. You were on it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think the stakes are very low for this James Charles.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you nailed it each time. It was great. I thought it was good. I was really excited about how it turned out and was then it saw this happen. I'm like wait, maybe we're not posting it. Like maybe bad timing.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't see. I. We just have to put a little disclaimer in the description. This is pretty before yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Pre air obviously a joke. Just like entertainment purposes only.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah. And we did make fun of him the whole time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

It definitely wasn't mission video. So that does help.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's a must. I don't know who's going to apply for him. Didn't he get in trouble? Like didn't an assistant try to like sue him or something? Maybe not sue him, but didn't they try to expose him? There was like a James Charles assistant scandal somewhere.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean I would believe it at this rate.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like just see if there anything pops up.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, 2021, James Charles ex employee speaks out about lawsuit claiming he didn't pay overtime and asked her to shave his butt. What?

[Trisha Paytas]

Don't you remember?

[Moses Hacmon]

No. This was back in 2021.

[Trisha Paytas]

I swear. Okay. I was like wait, I kind of remember this and I.

[Moses Hacmon]

May 11th May.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

He needs to just shut it down.

[Trisha Paytas]

He needs to just quarantine.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Cut the wi fi. Like you need to disconnect your router. Like turn off the phone in May. Like this is actually scary.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is scary to the day. We're doing this. May 11th.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my God. May 11cat10barge was on his God.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was Cat always at the scene of the crime. Oh my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

21 year old multimillionaire has been engulfed in the fallout from an underage sex scene scandal. Temporary losing, losing monetization on YouTube severing ties with Morphe. Now James Charles former producer and creative director Kelly Rocklin. Oh my God. That's the role I was going to apply for. Is speaking out about her lawsuit against him which alleges wrongful termination, disability discrimination, failure to provide reasonable accommodation and failure to pay minimum wage for overtime hours worked.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he said he pays his employees. This is why he's going to TikTok for applicants. He's like nobody, nobody know minimum wage.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. You all don't know your rights as a worker.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, for real. Like, why?

[Moses Hacmon]

That is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wonder what happened with that. I wonder if they settled or what. I know, but to even bring up a lawsuit again, it's very serious because it's like, it costs money. Like, unless you're going to win, no one's going to really do that unless there's, like, legitimate things to say.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is why I cannot believe again, in May, like the same week.

[Trisha Paytas]

Crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Every. Every May, the same week as since 2019 is something like, that is nuts.

[Trisha Paytas]

Quarantine. Quarantine yourself.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God. She also claims that Charles once asked for help with shaving his butt ahead of wearing a revealing outfit for Coachella.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

Something Rocklin says made her feel extremely uncomfortable. She was later given a raise to $6,000, but says she'd regularly work 80 hours a week and that the new wage didn't account for her additional hours.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my jaw hurts. Like, actually from, like, dropping.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know what. He was making monstrous money at 18 years old. And I literally couldn't even afford to pay my full rent. I shared a room with a friend in downtown la. Everything I was doing with him, I was just losing financial game. Like, I've got to keep working. I've got to keep working. This is all making sense. He wants to work people to the bone for less than minimum wage. That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I was like, wait, I kind of remember this. And I remember being like, wow, that's like, so crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

For the record, James has denied the allegations and said they were absolutely ridiculous, absurd, untrue. Defamatory. I wonder what, like, I don't think

[Trisha Paytas]

someone's gonna bring a lawsuit with no merit behind it. I think is the shaving the butt falls too, or was she comfortable with it? Is he claiming, like, what is like, what's. What is the lie is like, what specifically?

[Moses Hacmon]

I am.

[Trisha Paytas]

So if you ask someone to shave your butt, that's like, not your partner. You're a creep.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, what is crazy?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm so curious about how that turned out. I.

[Trisha Paytas]

He scares me.

[Moses Hacmon]

How does that totally fly under my radar?

[Trisha Paytas]

I know I remember it, like, just like in my brain somewhere.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, yeah, that's major.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. If someone really does. Did we need swoop back. We need a five hour video on James Charles because this is like, people forget. People don't know. There's just like. But it's so much in such a little amount of time. And it's like.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know, it's crazy. I know. Marcos from Tik Tok previously Be Better. He posted a TikTok of like new evidence of like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did see the text messages.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. New dms. I guess maybe even Patreon will actually, actually go into it because it is like right as of right now. It's like could like. I don't know who knows the validity but it seems real because he has like a recording of it, like a streamer.

[Trisha Paytas]

Marcos is pretty good at getting like real. I just. Is that his rebrand? I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Now he has a new account. That's his name.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's not. But Be Better has an account still.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, the Be Better account is still up, but he just hasn't posted to it. Like the Alex Earl one was also on the Marcos account, if that makes sense.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. I feel like he kind of gets. He's kind of detailed. He's like a investigator.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I know he went back and forth with. With James last May over like the Kayla Malik stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

But yeah, he has these alleged DMS of a 16 year old with James Charles. And in the screenshots that he showed was not even screenshots. They're like photos of the DMS that the victim. Alleged victim, I guess gave to him. The boy says, I'm 16 years old by the way. Like I'm sorry. And then he, James sends like the emoji, like the skull emoji. Be like that's still illegal though. And then they just start sending photos back and forth and you just see like open the photo, open photo, open photo. Like you don't see what the photos are, but the alleged victim says that they were like inappropriate photos.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I mean that's what I'm saying. It's like I really don't wish to downfall on anyone. But it's just like you're. He's his own demise. It catches up to you if you're like. And you just don't learn. Like oh my God. At least like some people like Crystal, at least they like stop once you get caught for the most part. It's like you gotta like learn. Like what do you mean? Like, you know now how. How this works and you continue to do it like it is a sickness. I do think it's a sickness. But also it's like he needs help where he needs to be like locked away or something like that because there are sick individuals out there and it's like, you just. You either need to get help or you need to be, like, put away. Because, like, that's insane. Because I don't think he can, like, help himself because you know what's gonna happen. You know how this goes. Any other person who gets caught knows not to keep doing it. Like, it's.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I think these screenshots are from 2021, when I guess he was demonetized. That's when kind of everything blew up for him to too, right after by sister. But again, if you know that you have this stuff, like, in your history, why would you at least. Why wouldn't you at least cosplay as, like, a nice person if you know that all this stuff is there and can be brought up against you anytime? Like, why do you, like. Again, I think just the ego. He thinks he's, like, untouchable at this point because he. I feel like he gets away with so much and he laughs maniacally. And I. He. I feel like he's that person. Especially after last year with Kayla. Like, I really, really thought because Caleb was such a big creator that, like, maybe she's the one that will actually, like, be his downfall again. Because I do think that's what it takes. Like a Tati, a Shane, you know? But I think he's gotten away with so much that he just.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's just. But it won't. Yeah, be that way forever. Hate it. Hate him. I know. I was. I was, like, seeing it because it was all my whole timeline, and I was like, I'm not. Not letting this. I'm not gonna, like, chime in on Tick tock. I'm like, I got a podcast for that. You know what I mean? But alas, here we are.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yep. James Charles Dickinson. If you have no haters, I'm dead.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I think officially enemy number.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, he was a nuisance. Number one for sure. But he got upgraded.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. Even when we reacted to those videos, we're like, oh, people that annoy. What are we talking about? Yeah. And I was like, oh, no, you're firmly an enemy. Firmly. Any last thoughts on that Moses cheese pull? Start out strong with that one.

[Moses Hacmon]

I forgot about that. There's a lot of good Moses mentality moments.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, there was.

[Moses Hacmon]

The edits are going to be popping because there's the cheese pull, there's the sending them out on the boats, the old people.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, is that like, Is that his joke or like, he thinks that, like, that's why I was trying

[Oscar Gracie]

to figure out, like, I was trying to Figure out.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't want to, like, disrespect a culture if that's what people do.

[Oscar Gracie]

I was like, okay. From somewhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, maybe people do that. I don't know. Okay, maybe. I don't know. But that was a joke, for the record.

[Oscar Gracie]

I was just trying to figure out where. I had that image in my head

[Moses Hacmon]

so it could be real.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar Gracie]

I had that image of like, okay,

[Trisha Paytas]

maybe people do that. I don't know. Because also, like, I know in Viking

[Moses Hacmon]

culture they would when they passed away. Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So maybe that's what you saw.

[Moses Hacmon]

But maybe. I don't know. It could be more.

[Oscar Gracie]

I don't know. I think it's from a movie or something. Something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, so you saw it. There was a thing, probably. Okay, well, you guys, let's end on happy notes. Okay. You look so cute. I like your little hat today, too. I didn't even comment on your outfit earlier. There was too much going on. Is that a cinema roll? What's on there?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, it's Miffy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who's Miffy?

[Moses Hacmon]

She's this little bunny character from Animal Crossing. No, I don't know where she's from, actually. She's like one of those, like, mascot characters. Like, you know, a hello Kitty Kitty. There's like a Miffy.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was giving me hello Kitty. I thought it was like cinnamon roll from hello Kitty World. That's why I thought it was similar vibe.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. She's just Miffy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like it. Just Miffy. We should do a challenge. Me just wanting to go to the mall because I think of the mall near you. Well, I don't know if it's near you anymore. You moved. But that there's like a hello Kitty store in that mall. Have you been to it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Of course.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, are you a Sanrio person?

[Moses Hacmon]

I do love a Sanrio, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I want to do, like, a mall challenge. I don't know. Let's look one up. If there's one online where it's, like,

[Moses Hacmon]

just making it up. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Be like getting something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Doing the Buy One mall challenge, you guys, where we just buy stuff. Stuff that we like at the mall. The viral challenge is taking over Tick tock.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just buying each other gifts. Okay. We're gonna find one and we're gonna find a mall challenge. Like, things we would have liked at the age of, like, 13. Like going to, like, Hollister or something. I don't know. We're gonna look it up. I'm gonna find it because I haven't been to the mall so long. Because also that mall, they have an Auntie Anne's. And I've been thinking about Auntie Anne. I love Auntie Wetzel's pretzels. Like, delivered the other day to my house. Shout out Jimmy Wetzel. Someone said that in my tikt, I was eating Wetzel's Wetzel. And everyone's like, think of Jimmy. And I was like, me too. Even though he's never had a Wetzel pretzel. Maybe we could all do a God,

[Moses Hacmon]

Jimmy should come and have, as I

[Trisha Paytas]

was saying, trying Jimmy's pretzels for the first time once his pretzels. And shout out Jimmy and Dallas for Taurus boys too that have birthday. Oh, yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, positive.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we were giving some bad raps, but Joey Graceffa, Dallas, Jimmy, my dad.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, your dad. Yeah, yeah, I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I told my dad we had the same birthday dinner that we had last year, and I was like, oh, dad, we had this last year. Like, I know you weren't there. And Moses literally was like. He was. Yeah, like, oh, God, it was memorable. But that's so random.

[Moses Hacmon]

This is all you're talking about Pope Francis the whole time.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did not know. I didn't. Like, my dad was there with all my friends. It was like my touring friends and my podcast friends. I was like, my dad was just randomly there. It was very random.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's when he was campaigning for baby Pope Francis.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it would have been okay. And now that makes sense. I was like, oh, my God, I forgot. Anyways, shout out to all the good Tauruses out there. May is a great magical month if you're a good person, if you believe, and you manifest good things for other people. And May can be a really magical month. Check out Oscar at Oscar Gracie vlogs.

[Moses Hacmon]

Sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that it or no? Am I saying but yeah, but I

[Moses Hacmon]

think if you type that in the

[Trisha Paytas]

search, it'll come up Oscar Gracie vlog. Check out my Benihana behind the scenes at Blondes on the Floor mj. Or just check out Benihana today. Go have a meal. Try the Trish Trio filet chicken and shrimp with veggie fried rice. Oh, my. It's so good. Leftovers for days. Check out Moe's this at Moses cooking videos. Are you going to get a cooking video in this week? I don't know if we're gonna have time.

[Oscar Gracie]

First of all, we did the Bolognese, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, we didn't mention. Okay, well, yeah, see that.

[Oscar Gracie]

That's fine.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was a great one. That was.

[Oscar Gracie]

Go see the Bolognese. You can finally make it at home.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yummy.

[Oscar Gracie]

Many people have. I get pictures and all that and. Yeah. And show the bag.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Sorry. Oh my gosh. I just blocked it with the Benihana. There's the bag that I got for Mother's Day. It's gorgeous. It's beautiful. This was the Mother's Day one. He's. And then this was my birthday one, which is very, very sweet that you did both. You really did make my birthday so special. It was very, very surprising. Everyone did. So many people sent flowers and cakes. It was, it was, it was the best birthday. We just chilled at the house and it was. It was wonderful. Couldn't have been better. And. Yeah. Alright, we'll see you guys at Benihana soon and we'll see you guys next week. Go to the Patreon for extended podcasts and bonus dividends videos. Just James Charles Madness really over there and we keep it behind there because we're giving him no more. It's not good attention over there either. Honestly. There's no attention that's good coming from us.

[Moses Hacmon]

No. If anything were meaner or I'll speak for myself, I'm definitely meaner over there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I know today just kind of came out, but I tried, tried to have a little empathy that's gone out the window. But we love you guys. Thanks for watching. Have an amazing week and we will see you on Thursday. Bye.