America's Next Top Model Exposes Tyra Banks + Addison Rae's Dad Gets Arrested?

Summary

Just Trish — February 19, 2026 Episode Summary

Podcast: Just Trish
Host: Trisha Paytas
Co-hosts: Oscar Gracey, Cat
Date: February 19, 2026
Episode Theme: Unfiltered breakdowns of the latest pop culture headlines, a deep-dive into reality TV’s problematic legacy with a focus on the America’s Next Top Model documentary, YouTube recognition, Hannah Montana’s 20-year anniversary special, viral animal stories, and more.

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Main Theme / Purpose

This episode is quintessential "Just Trish": Trisha Paytas, joined by Oscar Gracey and Cat, brings a wildly unfiltered, sometimes deeply empathetic, sometimes hilarious, and always pop-culture-obsessed lens to current internet culture. The centerpiece of this week’s discussion is the new America’s Next Top Model (ANTM) docuseries and the unpacking of its toxicity, but the episode also dives into Broadway news, movie reviews, viral monkey tales, YouTube milestones, reality TV ethics, and the 20th anniversary of Hannah Montana.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Work-Life Balance & "Running for Congress" Bit

• Trisha’s vision: She jokes about restructuring the standard work week, advocating for a Monday-Wednesday work week and a five-day weekend to improve happiness and productivity.
• Quote: "When I win Congress, I really think that’s where it’s gonna be… Monday through Wednesday is the work week. Thursday through Sunday is the weekend." (02:00)
• The banter illustrates Trisha’s comedic style and flair for turning routine life into entertainment.

2. Broadway, Social Life Updates, & Awards

• Oscar and Trisha talk about attending an Elvis premiere, Baz Luhrmann's projects, and hot Broadway gossip about record-breaking stars.
• Awards Banter: Trisha discusses competitive Broadway categories and name-drops nominees like Dylan Mulvaney, Whitney Levitt, Cheryl Porter, and Ashley Graham. (03:14)
• Both gush over recent films and Broadway shows, particularly about the overlap between pop stars and stage performance.

3. Movie Review: "Wuthering Heights"

• Deep-dive review of a new film adaptation (unclear which, but likely the 2026 release) with Jacob Elordi and a focus on its musical scoring.
• Oscar connects the film’s atmosphere to Kate Bush’s music and discusses how the themes parallel her songs. (05:15)
• The group debates the film's eroticism, the cast’s chemistry, historical accuracy, costuming, and how book fans might respond to the film’s deviations.
• Memorable Moment: “I was sobbing. I’ve never felt so much emotion in my life. I was sobbing!” — Trisha (05:18)
• Lively discussion about film accuracy vs. adaptation, representation of abuse, and their emotional responses.

4. YouTube 20-Year Recognition & Trisha’s Legacy

• Trisha receives a special 20-year commemorative jacket from YouTube, leading to an emotional reflection about her career’s longevity and recognition.
• Quote: “I love to brag that I’m a 20-year vlogger… This is so nice. Am I gonna cry? That’s so nice!” — Trisha (26:14-27:25)
• Conversation turns to "OG YouTuber" pride, the broad spectrum of her life shared online, and references to her most surreal content (plunging toilets, etc.).
• Oscar and Cat highlight how no one else has documented their life at Trisha’s level, likening her to "the Truman Show." (32:00)

5. Reality TV Reckoning: Discussion of America’s Next Top Model Docuseries

(35:14–77:32)

• Central Topic: Major segment examining the ANTM documentary and the fallout for Tyra Banks, the production team, and the ethical implications of early "reality" television.
• Bookmarked by anecdotes, the trio critiques reality TV’s past regarding race, body image, exploitation, and emotional damage.
• Key highlights:
  • Child/adult perception of ANTM vs. adult understanding, and how the show’s editing masked cruelty as "good TV."
  • The “Tiffany” incident and Tyra’s notorious outburst (“I was rooting for you!”), shaming, and behind-the-scenes cruelty.
    • Quote: “You are a bully. You treated me like shit and said the nastiest things about me and my son.” — Tiffany (48:18)
  • The realization that many contestants were traumatized by their treatment, silenced for fear of industry repercussions, and only now feel safe to speak online.
  • Modern view of "victims" vs. the producer’s power; comparison to today’s reality ecosystem where ex-contestants have platforms to respond.
  • Tyra's executive producer role and moral accountability: "Like, you can’t say you did everything… but then not also be responsible for the bad."
  • Reality’s turn to spectacle and harm for ratings (“became Fear Factor Olympics of modeling”), how showrunners "torment" subjects for entertainment. (60:58)
• The group contrasts older-generation reality TV with today’s influencer-based reality, the rise of post-show platforms, and modern contestant agency.

6. Hannah Montana 20th Anniversary Special & Disney Nostalgia

(80:25–94:42)

• Cat is “seated” for the Miley Cyrus–hosted Hannah Montana reunion and demonstrates encyclopedic Disney knowledge, recounts “seeing” Miley before her big break, and details character trajectories after the show.
• Discussion morphs into wardrobe nostalgia and wig critiques, with Trisha planning Hannah/Miley cosplay and Cat identifying signature looks by album and era. (91:25–92:43)
• Highlight: “I sat down, I said, I want to make history.” — Cat, on foreseeing Miley’s stardom (87:24)
• Reflections on aging, generational divides, and celebrity “rebrands” (e.g., Miley’s evolution, Billy Ray’s controversies).

7. Monkey Virality & Ikea Monkey Tangent

(104:10–109:46)

• Cat shares the viral saga of "Punch," an orphaned macaque who befriended a plush orangutan and gained a following — triggering laughter, empathy, and digressions about famous internet animals.
• The notorious "IKEA monkey" is discussed, including speculation about its misdeeds (which, as Cat clarifies, were mostly being cute in a jacket).

8. Evolution, Darwinism & Tangents

• Jumping off the monkey story, the crew debates Darwin’s theory, speciation, and reflects on the Big Bang Theory (both cosmological concept and sitcom).
• Trisha: “I don’t know if I buy it [evolution], but maybe we should take a field trip to the La Brea Tar Pits.” (114:24)
• Group laughs about high school projects, state assignments, and Trisha’s skepticism about the Galápagos and evolution basics.

9. Hot Topics & Celebrity News

• Addison Rae's family drama: Addison Rae’s father is reported to have been arrested for indecent exposure (details from TMZ and legal filings); conversation shifts to the difficulty of public family breakdowns and the burden of fame.
  • Quote: "That’s sad. I feel like Addison’s distanced herself from her parents for a while because they were being embarrassing." (117:21)
• Kayley Cuoco’s relatable mom moments and the iPad/parenting discourse.
• Jonathan Galecki’s (of Big Bang Theory) charity work discussed; brief aside on parenting in the age of social media.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Trisha’s Recognition:
  “I’ve given literally my… life. It’s the Truman Show… I’ve given everything on there and this podcast. Wow. I’m gonna cry.” — Trisha, on being recognized as a 20-year YouTuber (28:50)

• On ANTM / Tyra Banks Documentary:
  “They made a multi-million dollar franchise off the backs of girls’ dreams.” — Cat (47:56)
  “You can’t say you did everything… but then not also be responsible for the bad. You have to take both.” — Cat (41:14)

• On Reality TV’s Exploitation:
  “Instead of mentoring them, it became torment. The show really was… Fear Factor Olympics of modeling.” — Oscar (60:58)

• On Hannah Montana’s Impact:
  “Before the show premiered, she was the opener for the Cheetah Girls… I said, this girl's going places.” — Cat (86:32)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:00] Trisha’s new work week philosophy & “Congress” jokes
• [03:14] Broadway awards, Dylan Mulvaney, Whitney Levitt
• [05:15–13:30] In-depth "Wuthering Heights" film review & Kate Bush’s ties
• [26:14–32:00] Trisha receives her YouTube 20-year recognition — emotional, milestone moment
• [35:14–77:32] America’s Next Top Model docuseries discussion
  • [47:56] Power trips, exploitation, and infamous “Tiffany” moment
  • [60:58] “Fear Factor Olympics of modeling”; reality TV’s abusive tendencies
• [80:25–94:42] Hannah Montana 20th anniversary special, nostalgia trip
• [104:10–109:46] Monkey stories: the viral macaque Punch & the IKEA monkey
• [114:24–114:54] La Brea Tar Pits & discussion of human evolution
• [117:21–120:07] Addison Rae’s family’s public drama
• [122:31] Moses’s video, time, and the nature of reality — allusions to “the evolution of creation”

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Tone & Style

• Language & Tone: Hilariously unfiltered, deeply conversational, and frequently self-deprecating; marked by rapid-fire pop culture references, warm chemistry, and moments of surprisingly thoughtful insight.
• Speaker Attribution: Conversation flows freely; Trisha is the focal point, escalating jokes, sharing candid feelings, and spotlighting her co-hosts’ expertise.

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Conclusion

This episode of Just Trish is as much a pop culture deep-dive as it is group therapy and nostalgic bonding. The hosts manage to be entertaining, sharp, and sometimes poignant — especially as they dissect the harms of unregulated reality TV, the responsibility of fame, and the importance of being heard. The episode’s celebration of internet milestones (Trisha’s 20 years on YouTube) is offset by reminders of fame’s pitfalls (Addison Rae’s family, Tyra Banks docuseries). Listeners are left with important cultural questions — about accountability, creation, and the cost of fame — wrapped in laughter and rapid-fire tea.

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Listen for:

• Trisha’s “work week for Congress” rants (02:00)
• Oscar’s encyclopedic pop culture references (throughout)
• The entire ANTM docuseries discussion ([35:14–77:32])
• Trisha’s emotional reaction to YouTube’s recognition ([26:14])
• Monkey virality and IKEA monkey debate ([104:10])
• Hannah Montana nostalgia & music breakdown ([80:25])
• Addison Rae’s family drama ([117:21])
• The concluding Darwinism debate & absurd tangents ([110:14])

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For those who missed the episode, this summary gives you all the key takeaways, quotes, and memorable debates, while preserving the signature Trish energy.

Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

People don't say anything because they think their voice won't be heard or like, it'll just get shut down or won't. So, like, the fact that everyone has like this collective voice now, it probably feels so vindicating. But the fact that she still feels like that, like 20 years later or however long, like, says a lot, right? It's like they didn't talk about this for so long. Now everyone's coming out, so they feel like, safer to talk about it. Her name is filthy and everybody thinks she's just. Hello. Welcome to Just Trish. Our favorite day of the week. Thursday. Because it's the weekend. It's the weekend when I win Congress. That's one of the things I'm gonna do, is be like, we need a three day weekend. I feel like three day weekend would make us all just feel happier. It would make us work harder. Like my week, my work week ends on Thursday and 10 million ends on Wednesday. Mine's Monday through Wednesday. Okay, I change it. Monday through Wednesday is the work week. Thursday through Sunday is the weekend. Let me tell you, it has changed my life. It has given me peace of mind. Thursday I can have a nice, like, little family day. Friday I can have a regroup day for myself. Then we still have the weekend. And then Monday through Wednesday, I am going from literally 6am to like 10pm because I want that five day weekend. So that's why I run when I go for Congress, because I really think that's where it's gonna be. You guys are seeing this on a Thursday, so, you know, we'll see Thursday, Wednesday. I don't know. When you were growing up, it was Fridays and Saturdays you had off, but

[Oscar]

you went back to only Saturday. Oh, yeah. It was like one day off.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's great. Not Friday, Friday night?

[Oscar]

No, Friday was like half a day. But it was horrible.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar]

Not having Sunday.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not that one. We're getting right into it. Yeah, Oscar's here. You were right on time too. We're going to the Elvis premiere tonight. I'm super excited. Baz Luhrmann is directing a documentary of unseen Elvis Presley footage. And we got invited and we did just go to a premiere. And we have been kind of busy in our social life, but I was just like, I need to go to this one for sure. And he just recently announced that he's going to be doing a stage adaptation of, like, Elvis. Like, he's not directing it. Kind of like Moulin Rouge. He directed the movie, but the. The stage production was directed by Alex timbers. So he's doing a trilogy and there is a great song by Ellis Presley called the American Trilogy and it's wonderful. So anyways, that's where we're at because right after this we're gonna do a Patreon and I gotta come back and change from Bridgerton into Elvis. So it's a whole day. Like I said, Monday through Wednesday is the work week so I can have that five day weekend. And oh, I was gonna show our little. Well, I'll insert. I'll have Jimmy insert it. We did get the postcards. We had the physical ones for the no Hate campaign. If you want to go to patreon.com just trish, the note cards will be in the headshot tier this month. We do extended episodes and bonus videos there. May 9th I'll be at Indio California Fantasy Springs Casino. And May 5th Netflix is a joke and I think that's pretty much the wrap up.

[Oscar]

5:00pm Western Time, 8:00pm I Heart Radio

[Trisha Paytas]

Awards favorite Broadway debut.

[Oscar]

I have my timer Every day 5pm it goes off and then I vote

[Trisha Paytas]

do those power votes. I'm so glad I'm not up for next year because both Dylan Mulvaney just made her debut in six and Whitney Levitt has been breaking records second week in a row of Chicago's highest week ever in the 30 years that she calls me on Broadway and she's extended her run. So that's going to be stiff competitions for next favorite. Not to say this one is and I'm against Tom Felton and McDonnelly and Cheryl Porter and I just Ashley Graham. There's just so many great people. So damn. It's a hot. It's a hot award at the Broadway.

[Oscar]

Where it's at.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's period. It is where it's at. It's so great. We were, we saw Weathering Heights yesterday.

[Oscar]

Best movie of the year.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you like it? I didn't know. I didn't engage.

[Oscar]

I've seen in a long time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Me too. Oh, I didn't know you loved it. It was one of those movies where I'm looking at Moses. I'm like, first I'm like looking. I'm like, did you fall asleep? Because Moses is up all hours in the night. So I was like, did he fall asleep? Then two, I was like, oh, is this awkward? Is this weird? Because it did get weird. That second half of the movie got weird. And I'm like, okay. I'm like, does he think this is too weird?

[Oscar]

No. I mean if you're a Kate Bush Fan. This is like.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's.

[Oscar]

This is like. Like she has so many. That's the thing. That's what I'm so shocked is like. She literally has a song for each scene of this movie. Like, she has all. Like, I want to take this movie re. Edited to her songs.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, oh. She did a whole album about Wuthering Heights.

[Oscar]

No, but the story. The story is so much of her, like, mindset and how she thinks and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. Well, didn't know that.

[Oscar]

Including the crazy stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, really. The degradation she's in. A little degrading. She likes to be on all fours.

[Oscar]

That's called get of My House. And it's like if you took madness into a song, that's the song.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I didn't know this about. Was it familiar?

[Oscar]

There's another song, another day, which is two lovers that meet again later on in their life and they talk about how they wish they had each other's baby and were together. Like. Like the whole. She has song. Like, so many. That's why I'm like, it's so. This movie and this story and her are connected so much.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Oh, so you were feeling it through that. Through the power of song.

[Oscar]

Power of song and visual. Visually, it was incredible.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was sobbing. I was sobbing. I loved it. I loved this movie. I was sobbing. I've never felt so much emotion in my life. I was sobbing. Which. Singing all the songs. That's what we were debating. I'm like, I think she does most. Like. I don't think she's singing.

[Cat]

She does the whole soundtrack. Yeah, she released an album. Yeah, yeah. She released a whole, like, Wuthering Heights album.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I thought. So she's singing all the songs. She sounds like Enya.

[Oscar]

She's like, oh, incredible. It's incred. I thought she was like, producing it and doing. I didn't know she was singing every song.

[Cat]

Every song.

[Oscar]

That's incredible.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because I was like, there's no way. I was like, I think. I think so. I think that's like the whole gag of it. Because I didn't. Wasn't taken out of it. Some people like to critique me. Like, if they hated the movie, like, this movie is awful. And then you hear Charlie XDX and like, oh, my God. Okay. Like, lightens the mood, whatever. And I was like, but to me, I wasn't even hearing Charlie xx. I was like, oh, she did all the music. Like, to me, it was like, she was so diverse.

[Cat]

Yeah. And even, like, the score, like, even when she wasn't singing. I like the score as well.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Oh, she did the score too.

[Cat]

I don't know if she did the

[Trisha Paytas]

score, but with the music of it all.

[Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Cuz the score went hand in hand with like the production on her album. On the album too. You know what I mean? Like it was kind of interchangeable. I didn't. I liked all the music in general. I thought that was a really.

[Trisha Paytas]

So good. Did you like it? I forgot.

[Cat]

I'm lukewarm. I'm lukewarm. I didn't live. I didn't hate. I didn't hate. Love looking at it. Love the performances.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you didn't live. I lived.

[Cat]

I didn't. I didn't get my life to it. No. I thought it could have been all hornier. I think I needed to because they really played it up in like the press tour of like, oh my God, he. And he did this to me and like he covered my eyes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Cat]

And they really played up the affair bait. And I was like, okay, then it must be really sexy. Like they must be getting down. Like in the Housemaid, you see. You see Sydney Sweeney and Brendan Sklinar, like everything. And so that's kind of what I was expecting from Wuthering Heights. I'm like, well, let's see it.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, we saw. Not a lot. You're right. They were very closed through everything. I agree.

[Oscar]

In that sense.

[Cat]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it didn't get sexy until like. Like the kind of like midway through. And then it's like maybe just a montage of sexy scenes.

[Cat]

And granted, could you get that sexy in the 18. When was this? 1800s? I hope so.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I think so.

[Cat]

It must have been a little harder to get sexy back then, I would

[Trisha Paytas]

think because for sure it's harder to the clothing.

[Cat]

Yes, it's a lot. A lot of clothing. It's when they were in that. In the Wuthering Heights home that stays.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's cold.

[Cat]

It was cold. I don't know if they're showering on the reg.

[Trisha Paytas]

So nobody was really. Yeah.

[Cat]

So I'm sure, you know, munching box was a little bit harder back then.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was doing that.

[Cat]

He was doing that. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was like, let me just get up in there. Yeah, I agree. Yes. I just did a photo shoot right before this from Bridgerton where Mama Bridgerton, Violet Bridgerton was in lingerie and the tea we're having. And I was worried for the episode and I was like, one, it wasn't pink, but two, I was like Maybe it's a little too. Even though it's Victorian, is like, shorts and, like, a corset, but you're still like, damn. Okay. Get it. Yeah. We didn't even see much of that from. I agree. The sexy scene montage was great. Not a lot. I liked. Spoilers are coming. Spoilers are coming. Get out now. Spoiler alert. Spoiler warning. My personal favorite storyline was the one between Jacob Elordi and the other girl. I was like. As soon as that came, I was like, oh, like, what? Like, from the moment he got into her bedroom. I don't want to spoil it too much. But when he, like, climbed into her bedroom, like, soaking wet, you just see hot Jacob, Lordy coming into your room, and he's just like, I'm not gonna love you. I don't even like you. I'm gonna be thinking of another girl. Do you still want this? And she's just like, yes. And I'm, like, giggling. I'm, like, laughing because I'm like, why is this so me and every girl. Like, every girl. A guy will be like, I'm an. I'm the worst. Like, I suck. And you're just like, yes, Daddy, give it to me. Like, it was giving that. Although it was Jacob. Lordy. And honestly, like, I get it now. Last episode, we're like, I don't really get the Jacob Elordi. And I kind of like, I got it. I get it. He is. I mean, Margot Robbie was always my favorite. I loved everyone. I loved Margot's. Because at the end, I was saying the guy. I don't know, the actor that played her husband, but Lord. Oh, it's the name of the chocolate. Lyndon Linton Linden. Chocolate. I was thinking, is it chocolate? He was. He was fine, and he was so nice. Like, he was so nice to her. I was just like. So I was so pissed off that she was like, whatever.

[Oscar]

Well, he was the only sane person in this movie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. He was so sweet.

[Oscar]

Everyone else is insane.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that girl, though.

[Oscar]

Completely. Everyone.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you know the relationship between the girl and the. In the. The Lord, like, the one that was living in the house.

[Cat]

Oh, God, let me see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because we were, like, trying to figure that out.

[Cat]

Yeah. At first I thought they were, like, an item. Like, I thought they were on a date when we first met, and then I didn't understand, but I feel like they kind of were or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

They said like a sister. And then they were like, oh, too bad he couldn't marry her. So I was like, well, what? And then she Ended up liking Kathy. So I was just like, I don't know what's happening in this situation, but I would have been. I love that actor, whoever that was, Whoever that played that character was amazing.

[Cat]

She's in, I think Saltburn as well.

[Oscar]

So the composer, by the way, is Anthony Willis. And he also did the music for Salt. Saltburn.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it's the same director too. I'm on Fennel.

[Oscar]

Yeah. So they work together.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, she really just said, everyone, come on over. Where's Barry Keoghan? He could have popped up in there, right. He would have fit in that little

[Oscar]

freaky world, you know, probably too small of a role for him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. Because it was there as that stable boy. That was.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That lady to. Oh, my. I loved it was our scene. Not in it with the big red dress where they're walking together in the red room. I don't think it was in it since I missed it.

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah. So it looks like it was for the photo shoot.

[Trisha Paytas]

So weird.

[Oscar]

I mean, there was the moment when he was in their house looking like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Oscar]

He came back.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I don't know if she was ever in that dress I wore.

[Oscar]

I think that was. Must have been for the photo shoot.

[Trisha Paytas]

But they've been taking that dress everywhere on like a world tour. And I was like, oh, she wasn't even in it.

[Cat]

She is supposed to be the younger sister of Edgar Linton. Now, T. I get why the girls were up. I get where the girls were up in arms. Because I remember people were mad at that plot line. Isabella's plot line. Because in the book she's like really? AB By Heathcliff. And in this one it's more of like a sexual thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. She was kind of in on it. She's like, I love Emorett. I'm home Bab. Where I meant to be.

[Cat]

I was like, oh, shall write this letter. Cuz you can't read. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Cat]

That's kind of.

[Trisha Paytas]

He kind of loved it too. I feel like they both were like, oh, okay.

[Cat]

So I got. Yeah, yeah. So she was more of like a victim of AB in the book. So I get what the girls.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, were they mad about that?

[Oscar]

My favorite part.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sorry. As someone who did not read the

[Cat]

book all the way through Wuthering Heights. Not Wuthering Heights, as we call it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, yes. Damn. Because the movie really did make it. Hi. Because if you are into that, like consensually, like, like, obviously, like, she was like. Someone went to go save her a

[Cat]

little 50 shades of gray Core for like A little bit of those 50 gray, not 50 shades nachos.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I really. I really enjoyed it. But I suppose, yes, if it's not consensual and she's like, oh, I didn't sign up for this, then it's. Yeah, it was a little freaky. I was giggling. I was, like, giggling like, not even at that scene, but just, like. Just so much of it. I was just like, this is. This is crazy. Like, what are we watching? I was so here for it. I was. I felt embarrassed. I was a little flushed sitting next to Moses. Even sitting next to the person next to me, I was kind of like, I don't. This is a crazy movie to be watching. I just really liked it. Yes. Not. It could be horny. Like, British's gonna give hornier for sure. But I loved it. It was beautiful. Beautiful people, beautiful acting. I loved every single character. Not one character annoyed me. I even liked Nelly. I liked her. I was like, period. Like, on that. You know what I mean? Like, I liked her through and through. I don't know the differences in the book.

[Oscar]

Her dad was a good actor.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he could get it, too. He was pretty fine. He was like. Everyone was looking. This movie, they just made everyone look. Look good. Everyone was hot. I liked it all. I give it a 10 out of 10. But I get it. Okay. Book enthusiast. I get why. Yes. I get why things could be upsetting. But as someone who doesn't know the book, I liked this Wuthering Heights in quotes, but maybe there's. There's, like, 10 other Weathering Heights movies, so maybe. Any of those accurate to the book or. No.

[Cat]

God, I don't know.

[Oscar]

Like Ralph, I've seen so many posters of.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

This movie just seems to. They took away most of the abuse that people endured, and they focused on romance of two people that are basically insane for each other.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And they really cleaned up every other story around it. Nobody else, really.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true.

[Oscar]

So it's fine. Like, that's the story they chose because the movie is. They. They take your emotional strings and they just play on it the whole movie. I mean, sobbing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was sobbing on it.

[Oscar]

So if you like that, this is a movie for you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've never cried hard in my life. Now I want to go see Young Franken. Or is it Young Frankenstein or Frankenstein?

[Cat]

Frankenstein.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, why did I keep calling it Young Frankenstein?

[Cat]

I had to give Young Sheldon. I don't know.

[Oscar]

No, there was. There was something else.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's a Mel Brooks movie called Young Frankenstein. I Guess as he's young, I'm thinking like, young Frank. Oh, it's just Frankenstein.

[Cat]

Just Frankenstein.

[Trisha Paytas]

It said Guillermo del Toro.

[Oscar]

Yes. Yeah.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

From Shapewater character. I'm very, very excited to watch that. So we'll have to watch it because now I'm a Jake Water fan. I'm also excited to see Euphoria season three. I think he's gonna crush. I think he's gonna be so good in it. And. Yeah, that was good. I was giddy. I was like, we almost didn't. We almost didn't, like, see it. And I was like, no, we should just go see it. And I'm happy I did, but so sorry to everyone who didn't like it. I get it. I also get that too. And everyone has a right to not like something.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Cat]

Opinions are valid.

[Trisha Paytas]

Opinions are valid.

[Oscar]

That's probably when you read books.

[Cat]

Yeah, don't read.

[Trisha Paytas]

Don't read books. Makes everything easier. Ignorance is bliss.

[Oscar]

All right.

[Trisha Paytas]

How are you? Good to see you. Literally, like, you were right on time. It was just like I was. You know me. Just. How are you feeling? Everyone was very. Oscar sounds sick.

[Oscar]

Oh, you sound better.

[Cat]

Yeah, I feel better. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Everyone's getting. Our kids, too. We've been, like, zycamming it up. I'm like, I cannot get sick right now. Our kids, too. I've been a little coffee.

[Cat]

Yeah. I think it's just the weather has been a little nuts, so everyone's kind of getting a little sick. But I'm feeling better. Yeah. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's your hat from? I love this.

[Cat]

Oh, remember my. I got the. I got a PR box from. It's called Merch Motel. They did that little clown hat. The cloud. God, why am I forgetting the show that your. Your good Judy Jordan Firstman is in?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I love la. How did I forget?

[Cat]

Remember, I got the I love LA like hats.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is this from it? I'm confused.

[Cat]

So this is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you got the clown hat.

[Cat]

Yes. And then the designer of said hat sent me more merch.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's the designer?

[Cat]

Merch Motel.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, Merch Motel and Cat's eye. Does that mean we're go get a cat's eye smoothie?

[Cat]

I've been practicing the dance.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are we going to do it?

[Cat]

Yeah, I'm going to do Hands Off Gabriella Gabrielle in the Erewhan parking lot. I'm going to do it. I'll be performing live the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Gabriella, do we need a tripod? Where is our little tripod? Or you have one?

[Cat]

I got one in my backpack.

[Trisha Paytas]

You can hold it too.

[Cat]

Oh, you do? Oh, I'm prepared.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love this wall. But yeah, you look like you're going to the concert. That's. I was like, oh, I. Because we never know. Some days Oscar's got to go. Sometimes we don't know. Sometimes I got to go, you know, sometimes. So I didn't know. And I was. I've been looking forward to this air. One smoothie. That's why I was like, we need to start. I. When there's like a plan. Like I did the Bridgerton photo shoot at 8am today and then like 10 to noon. And then I was like, okay, we have 1 32, 30 to get this smoothie and then I have to come back for the. Like when there's a plan. Before I got here, I said my run for Congress was to have a five day weekend for everybody. Because Monday through Wednesday, it just makes everyone work harder. I feel. Because I have a five day weekend and Monday through Wednesday I am going, going like, I will not stop. I will be up at 5am and I will go to bed at like 10:30pm and I'm like, I'm not stopping. And then Thursday, Friday, I'm like, who? We can go to ballet. We can go to Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. We can do all this stuff and it's wonderful.

[Cat]

Okay. Work.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And get ready. There's usually paparazzi there. The part one. So make sure you do the dance to all angles. You know, they might be feeling.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wish we'd get paparazzi. That'd be so funny. Just you and Cat's Eye and me half Bridgerton. That'd be so funny. Yes. Because you did find one of us like dressed as like. I was like Marilyn Monroe. I'm always in cosplay when I go there. Which is not the place to go in cosplay because everyone's very cool and very chic and then you just look in looking like a. A weirdo. I'm so excited though. I wish they had the giant pancake. They never had the giant pancake there.

[Cat]

Oh yeah, Tea. And they use. Are they the show that used to have the giant strawberry? Do they still have it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, was it like, was it a giant or was it.

[Oscar]

No, it was just expensive in my head.

[Trisha Paytas]

You love it.

[Cat]

I think I brought it up like five times.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you know, while watching the movie though, I, we, we both chuckled and looked at each other.

[Cat]

We're like, the giant strawberry came up like Oscar.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was cutesy in her hand. Malibu had a huge strawberry yesterday. Did I show you that picture. Oh my gosh. She had this giant strawber strawberry. Did you buy them?

[Oscar]

I'm assuming you bought them because I got. I guess they're like. It's a heart shaped box with strawberries.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. I gotta show you.

[Oscar]

And they were huge in there. And most of the really big ones I cut up to make smoothies for them. But.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, here she is.

[Oscar]

There was one that I left.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's already half eaten. But look how big that is.

[Cat]

That is giving the wuthering height strawberry. And I know she's like a little

[Trisha Paytas]

hand, but that was a big strawberry. She wasn't feeling well, so she was probably like, why are you taking videos? She tried to smile. This one of her trying, Maya, she's not feeling well. She was so cute. She was like giving. She's like, okay. It was just so cute. This little shark. I did, I did like it. Once I saw the giant strawberry, I was like, I do like this. Why were they in separate rooms? Do we know.

[Cat]

Edgar and Kathy Catherine? I actually don't. Did he just like wanted his personal

[Oscar]

space or whatever to have like his and hers? Yeah, because his room was green, masculine and his design and her room was her skin. So it seems like back then they used to have like kissing her.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so funny.

[Cat]

You listen to Kiki Palmer wanting to live separate from.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of don't hate it. When I seen her room, I was kind of like, I wish I had an all pink room again. Because we have a very neutral room, which I love. But I feel like if we did, what would your room be? It would be navy blue sheets. He loved a navy blue sheets and a salt rock lamp.

[Oscar]

My room is what our room is now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Take a picture. Of what? Do you have a picture of your old bedroom? When I met you and you had a shower that was like a porta potty. Cuz it was like a building, like a commercial building that he was like renovating.

[Oscar]

It's not like a. Oh, what was just a shower.

[Cat]

No, but it was like.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was like a portable one. No, it was cute anyways.

[Oscar]

No, it just this. The door was like sliding. It was like a stall. It's like a quarter. It was like a quarter of a circle and it was slid.

[Cat]

Oh, I'm saying this out of love.

[Trisha Paytas]

I really did think it was cute.

[Oscar]

But the words you use. It sounds like Porta Potty. It's like. Sounds like Burning Man.

[Cat]

It was cute.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm saying this out of love because you had the navy blue Sheets. Because we had navy blue sheets up on our bed. And I was like, this is giving, like single man. And then Devin had said he had navy blue sheets. Then I was like, moses had navy blue sheets. I'm like, I guess. Well, because it was that four seasons and I thought, oh, it's booze. It's a navy blue. And I thought, like, British. And then I got it. I was like, that's giving single man. Because I heard. Then I was, did we go over this? Your sheets?

[Cat]

Yeah. Mine are white.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love that. Perfect. Nothing to hide. People are saying navy blue because it's like, guys just don't wash your sheets as much. So they can be like a little dirtier. And they're not necessarily black or something like that. Not to say yours was. I loved your little room. I loved your little, like, it was cute. It was such a. It was a vibe. Thank you so much to SeatGeek for sponsoring today's episode of Just Trish. All right. Spring is coming around. That means it's festival season. Summer's right around the corner and you know the biggest, hottest acts are coming straight to your city. You don't miss out. Ariana Grande, Zayn Malik. Backstreet's back at the sphere this July. My Chemical Romances fall back with Black Parade. They are currently on tour in South America and you may be like, trisha, we can't get those tickets. They were so hard to get. Well, SeatGeek has those hard to get tickets straight to you. With over 35 million downloads, SeatGeek is the number one rated ticketing app. There are more than 70,000 events listed in SEA including concert, sports, festivals and more. I love using SeatGeek. I think their customer service is amazing. I love that you can find the best deals. You can see the best seat. You get a floor plan of where you want to sit. You can choose how many people. It's just so fun to just kind of browse. It really is endless entertainment. Then you get to go to the show. So much fun. Especially the day of the show. You'll get those best deals because the last minute tickets people decide not to go and like we'll just give it up for anything. You can find a really great deals on SeatGeek and every ticket is backed by their buyer guarantee. The new year means new artists are on tour. To make it even better, you can use code TRISH2026 for a 10% off your SeatGeek tickets. That's 10% off tickets with promo code TRISH2026. Make sure you click the link in the description to download the app and have the code automatically added to your account so you can use it later. Thank you so much, geek, for sponsoring today's episode of Just Trish.

[Oscar]

I loved it.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was cute. Anyways, it's giving Bridgeton. You always made tea. You were always like, do you want some tea? You want some tea? I was giving Bridgerton in Englewood. I liked it.

[Oscar]

Exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was a vibe. It was cute. And you had a juice shop next door. You had a. You had a church and a juice shop.

[Oscar]

Yeah, One more.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you can get orange smoothie. And then like, I remember I woke up on a Sunday. That was the first night there. And I was like

[Oscar]

literally the wall. Like Sunday morning you wake up like the angels.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like. It was cr.

[Oscar]

I was like they were worshiping. They just, you know, on the other side of the room.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Cat]

Sitting was going down.

[Oscar]

No, nothing was happening. It was just like, you know, you never think about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

First of all, something was happening. But the way you framed it was so crazy. He watched too much Wuthering Heights. All of a sudden he's Bronte. He's just like. And on the other side was sitting. It was good. I loved it. It was a vibe. I say that out of love. I thought it was very cute. The salt rock lamp too was very cute. It was giving guy. It was giving. I'm a guy. And you had a bicycle from Burning Man. Actually, you're talking about Burning man not being a stall, but yeah.

[Oscar]

Well, it's like, it's basically like, you know, a lot of artists, that's how they live. They have like a loft in their studio. So that. That's kind of what that situation was. Kind of a temporary living in this art studio.

[Trisha Paytas]

I loved it. That was very cool. Very unique and neat. But yeah, I'm excited. I'm gonna try the Gabriella shake. It has like 5,000 ingredients in it. So many.

[Oscar]

And it takes them half an hour to make it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my. They do. Yeah, that part. That's why I'm like, I literally have like the key, the purse, everything, and make shoes on ready to go. I'm like, I'm gonna run after order

[Oscar]

it and then you have time to vlog for 20 minutes. Well.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cause like I want the hour long video. You know, I want to get the quality to our patrons. But yeah, getting there is like 15 minutes. Getting back, 15 minutes waiting in line. But you know, it's experience. The dance might take a 10 minute. Yeah, we're Allot for all of that. And I'm very excited. Oh, I'm so happy that we have the time today. Cause I was gonna be really sad about it. How are you? I already asked. Yes, you're good. Oh, I just asked about your outfit. I didn't even ask how you. You're good. Do you wanna promote anything? I promote so much. I'm like, you should promote something. See Oscar Gracie vlog. What happened to that vlog? You came in and blogged for a minute yesterday. And then that was it.

[Cat]

I was like, oh, I still have more to film. It's a continuation.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm doing that too. I'm doing. You know what I'm gonna do monthly vlogs from.

[Cat]

Month is okay, month is too long. And this is coming for me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, like a February rec. Cute. No, like Valentine's.

[Cat]

I think like two weeks max.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right, I gotta get. Okay. Because I really love. I'm trying to go. I already talked to Jimmy. Shout out Jimmy. I had Jimmy. I really want to do like Miss Remy Ashton style vlogs. Where like the thumbnail and that. Like, I'm going to just kind of like not copy, but copy and get inspired by. You know what I mean?

[Cat]

He told me he's been studying up on Ms. Remy Ashton, which I love. I love that he's binging and now he gets it. He gets the obsession.

[Trisha Paytas]

Does he? I gave him another thing. There's another style video. Did he tell you about that one?

[Cat]

Oh, what was the other one?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, there's another style video that we're exploring.

[Oscar]

You'll see David, you know, the fast edits. And that's so funny you said that

[Trisha Paytas]

because he was watching Mr. Reaction. He said, I love that because the David Dobrik style of Edison was just never for me. And I was like, same Jimmy. Yeah, there's one other one I'm trying to figure out and it was a very niche style. So I gave it to him and he's like, all right, let me. Because at first he's like, yes, I can definitely do this. I can definitely do this. And then he's like, let me look at that one. And so anyways, I'm sorry, they haven't told me. Yeah, we're. I'm hoping to revive that blonde Sundal for you. Inspired me to. I love vlogging. I love watching vlogs.

[Oscar]

And they just sent you something.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I was like, you can open it tomorrow when you're glam. And I'm like, every minute is attested for tomorrow. There Is not one minute that I will be able to open it. But I do want to open it now or no. You know what it is? Most opening won't tell me.

[Oscar]

You know, I can bring it for a second. Cheers.

[Cat]

Oh, oh,

[Trisha Paytas]

YouTube sent me a thing. I never got anything from YouTube. I think it's just a plaque probably. Huh? For what though? Not the channel. Wow. Oh, there's the cards. It's right there. Yum. Here they are.

[Cat]

Oh, double sided, honey.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. We've got no hate double sided. Yes. You get this one or this one, Whichever one you want. Well, actually you get both because they're on the same side. Okay. Oh, okay. I love that. Just the Bridgerton hair.

[Cat]

This is limited edition.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Cat]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you know what it is? You know what it is?

[Oscar]

Not exactly, but let me pull it

[Trisha Paytas]

up a little higher. Or is it here? Here we're showing it.

[Oscar]

Sure, I can so you can see.

[Cat]

Oh.

[Oscar]

What?

[Cat]

Oh. Oh, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, this is so funny.

[Oscar]

Like maybe lift this.

[Trisha Paytas]

But this is so cool. It says blonde on the form J here. Oh, it's my main channel. Okay, I'm acknowledging my main channel after 20 years.

[Oscar]

Wait, exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Cat]

The shadow band channel.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, I'm gonna show this. Okay. It says 20 years running. They saw my video, they saw my tick tocks. They acknowledged me. Oh, my gosh. Here's to making history in 2026. Oh, my gosh. 20 years running. Wait, this is crazy. Is it just for people who've been vlogging 20 years?

[Oscar]

That's what I'm saying.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

Jacket.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it has the year I started my channel. That is crazy because YouTube established 2005 and then it has mine 2007. Wait, I'm gonna cry. That's so nice because I love to brag that I'm a 20 year vlogger. Yes. The blonde's on now for it. That's so weird.

[Cat]

That is crazy.

[Oscar]

Nobody in the world.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nobody does. Wait, that's cool. I'm gonna wear this all the time. This comes from my personality. Oh, my God. I've never been acknowledged by YouTube. This. Am I gonna cry? This is so nice. I've really been like going hard on the 20 years. I even changed it in my Instagram bio. I was like, 20 years YouTuber. Oh, gee, YouTuber. Because I've seen people do OG YouTuber 12 plus years. I was like, actually

[Oscar]

validation. Nobody can say no.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Wait, why am I crying? That's actually amazing. Oh, I'm glad you didn't tell me this is cool.

[Cat]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's, like, a hanger with my name on it. Yeah. I'm reviving this.

[Cat]

A license plate.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Just all the stats. 2.2 billion views. I know Mr. Beast and all that stuff in Ryan's channel, but name another current influencer that's not Mr. Beast or Ryan's Toys or whatever. Or Cocomon. We. I'm, like, so excited. Oh, my God. And I was planning to revive this channel. Don't worry, YouTube. I'm keeping it strong. Blonde Sandel for MJ. Just don't shadow ban me the hanger. Is this blonde sent out for mj?

[Cat]

That is wild.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. I'm kind of gagged.

[Oscar]

Somebody said down and so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. Looks like something I'd make myself for me. That's so cool. Well, thank you, YouTube. Oh, my gosh.

[Oscar]

I just need the sports car.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Cat]

Okay. Tate McCray.

[Trisha Paytas]

20 more years, right?

[Oscar]

Maybe to wear it, then to drive this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, is this a surprise? You have one outside. He's like, here it is. Yes. We've been looking at one. Wow. I love it. I'm obsessed. It wouldn't. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That's. Thank you. Wait, why am I. I was like. I was gonna cry over this. This little.

[Oscar]

Thank you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Did you. Did you see this yesterday? You saw this?

[Oscar]

I. I only saw the 20 year. I was like, okay. It's something to celebrate you. 20 years on YouTube.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. This is so nice. Wow. I'm gonna cry. That's so cool. I mean, wow. I love to be acknowledged by a platform you give everything to. Truly, I've given my panic attacks, my anxieties, my depression, overdoses, marriage, births. I've given literally, my. It's the Truman Show. Okay. It has given everything on there and this podcast. Wow. I'm gonna cry. That's so cool. Thank you.

[Cat]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like I won an award.

[Cat]

That's cool.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so random. I love it. Who else got one? We should clock it.

[Oscar]

How many? I'm sure you'll see people post, but there's only a few that are 20 years on YouTube.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right. You know, the year of the horse is starting off strong. Full speed ahead. Yesterday, my tick tocks, my TikToks are getting, like, 70, 000 views all of a sudden. Every single one. I mean, Cheesecake Factory, which I've been doing for months now, and it's like, oh, here's 1.3 million. Then I did one. What was one like, I was eating Panda Express. Oh, here's another 2 million. It's like crazy. I don't know what's happening, but thank you. I love you and I love YouTube. Amazing. Cool. All right, full force ahead. I got editor now, so I'm. I'm going to watch. I hope that one of these vlogs there's our life changing to people now that I have someone editing because I think that was the problem. I think people just love something a little edited, little put together.

[Cat]

I don't know. For you it goes either way because some of the most like, like lived on moments for you are the unedited. I saw a tick tock and where it was you trying to un. Unplug a toilet for five minutes.

[Oscar]

I have it.

[Cat]

Oh, you too?

[Oscar]

Yes. Because, you know, I. That's how I learn about things that happen in our house sometimes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was it here? Was it in this.

[Oscar]

That's why I was so shocked. I was like, oh, it's probably an old video. And then I was like, wait a minute, I recognize this.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't show it. I could have showed the toilet. Okay, I'm going to attempt to see if I can plunge this toilet. Plunging toilets don't watch. Oh, trigger warning. I said this is day like five.

[Oscar]

I think it's in the green room.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, that green room toilet.

[Cat]

You're really going at it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I didn't know you. That's even more. Oh, wow.

[Oscar]

It's in this house.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Cat]

Put your whole back into it.

[Oscar]

So thank you, YouTube for acknowledging lifetime achievement award.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like, I never gave up. I posted every day. What were you posting? You know, I mean, some people would want to see Jenna Marbles just plunder toilet. You know, if she came back, if she was just plumbed a toilet for us. You know, I was giving. That was crazy.

[Oscar]

It is true. I think the Truman show is the best comparison because there's nobody in the world that has shared the way you shared your life. That's why you're so unique.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Than anyone else in part of history.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Oscar]

And also, nobody can recreate that. You know, you can't start now. Like, okay, start posting and 20 years from later, we'll come back to you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Like there's nobody that will ever be

[Trisha Paytas]

like, you invented the Internet. That was crazy. Love the plunging. I think that probably was a time where we had not much going on. I'm assuming that's before the podcast.

[Oscar]

Well, I can tell there's those like diapers used after the birth. So it looks like after Malibu Was born.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. Quality content. Still find my PC era. Just like I am just gonna do this.

[Cat]

Mind my business. Mind my business and plunge this toilet, honey.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's all I got going on. Just keep out of it. Really. I'm giving asmr. It's been cozy. Well, thank you. I owe a lot of this. I'm giving. I'm accepting my award. I owe a lot of it to you for Oscar, for really reacting to all my videos on your streams. It's always like, I need to go

[Cat]

back to it, but it's been a minute.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it. It pops up all the time. Like, you reacting to some, like, video. I'm like, what is this? So funny.

[Cat]

It is a key, honey.

[Trisha Paytas]

It reminds me. The shirts you wear, the thumbnails. It really.

[Cat]

Oh, yeah. I need to come up with my merch line. Celebrate the 20 years. Yes. I'm up. I randomly will see people post, like, photo, like, old photos that you must have tweeted or, like, posted on Instagram or something. And it's, like, so random. It's like you. It was like, you're like, platinum blonde, big sunglasses, big lips, little shorts, white tank top, just sitting on the stairs and like, oh, someone use it as a reaction image. Like, and it's. It made no sense. It's like, my friend wouldn't come with me to the gym. And it was. That photo made no sense. But I'm like, this also speaks to me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Cat]

So I also just kind of want to go through your camera roll and, like, look for randomized photos and be like, this needs to go on a show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, for Patreon.

[Cat]

This needs to be a shirt. This needs to be the pillow. This needs to be the blanket. Like, I need to curate the whole merch line.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Pick out those. Pick up some obscure photos, find them, make them a meme. That'd be fun. I know. Wait, I do love that. Because you never know, you know, in the making of all this cultural moments, you don't realize it at the time. You don't know what's gonna be art one day. And that's the beauty of art. That's the beauty of an artist. Maybe your work is appreciated later in life. And luckily, I'm alive to experience it, to experience the Renaissance, which is great. So thank you. I say that humbly. It's very nice. And it's so funny. It is so funny. We love to be here. Oh, I would love to be in Wuthering Heights, too. Like, you know, I know. I'm a great vlogger. But I would love to be in that movie. I would. You know, they were giving asmr. They had the little dog. I just. I loved it. I wish I could have been Isabella. I really wish.

[Oscar]

Comments on the video. If you sing in as Kate Bush were saying you should have been casted as Kathy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe in the sequel. I do love her. Look at that giant strawberry. Maybe they'll have it the 150 Strawberry at Air1. Even though we're trying to under consumpt in this economy, guys. Except for our patrons.

[Cat]

Right, right.

[Trisha Paytas]

We'll take the patron funds and put on.

[Oscar]

You made us do it.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Cat]

Oh, well, that's very.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yes. You guys wanted it. You asked for it.

[Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Oscar]

It's your fault.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's your fault.

[Cat]

I was. I literally had to text the group. I finished it. I finished the docu series yesterday and I was like, this is crazy. And I need. I needed to make sure team just Trish was locked in. I texted everybody. I was like, you all need to do your homework and be locked in.

[Trisha Paytas]

We were already watching.

[Oscar]

As we were watching, I sent him a picture of the screen.

[Trisha Paytas]

We only made it past through the second one. And it was, it was like riveting. It was good. But our kids were like, they were sick. They're getting tired. Oh, I gotta go to bed. But like it was, it was good.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I haven't sat for the third yet.

[Cat]

Most of the big stuff is in the first episode, so that's okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yeah. That's why I didn't like, we kept doing like when you go to bed, we go to bed. And I was like, wait, no, but this moment. Because I remember those moments. And so when it would come up, it was just, oh, no, no, we gotta watch this one. Oh no, no, we have to watch this one. Cuz like all of them were like so important.

[Cat]

Yes. Yeah, it was so weird because like on Monday, on the first episode this week, I'd only seen clips of the interviews that they did. And I already knew that. I was like, oh, this is not gonna look good for Tyra. And then seeing it like in context of like the show of America's Next Top Model with the interviews too, and seeing the full thing, I'm like, oh, this is actually crazy. And also it was such a mind trip because like I had. I've never like gone back to watch America's accent model, but I've seen every single season of the show. Like, I loved it all the way up to when Rita Ora took over. I Was still seated? Yes, she did a little. Tyra got fired towards the end and then Rita Ora took over for a little bit.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was that in the third episode?

[Cat]

I already know this because I lived it. I was there, boots on the ground, in real time.

[Trisha Paytas]

How did she get fired from her own show?

[Cat]

They talked about it a little bit in the third episode, but they just wanted, like. Like, it ended up being like, well, the ratings kept going down, down, down. It was like, well, Ty was a

[Trisha Paytas]

problem, so that's crazy.

[Cat]

Then they tried it again with Rita Ora and she only did one season.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did ratings go back up?

[Cat]

No, it was kind of over after.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I don't think it was tyre. After 50 seasons, she was getting a little nuts. But that's what made the show. Can't stand. Tyra's scary as hell. But they made the show, like, obviously the scary part of it.

[Cat]

It's just so weird because, like, my memory of the show is, like, my childhood self and I. I've seen, obviously, clips and stuff as an adult, like, but more of the meme silly stuff. And then seeing these same, like, episodes and photo shoots and, like, scandalous moments, like, as through, like, the adult lens was such, like, a weird, like, conflict of, like, wait, I remember this so differently as a kid, like, the way I perceived it versus, like, as an adult. So it was so. It was so trippy. I think the one where I, like, I really was like, oh, I was so, like, naive as a child was like, when Kenya, she was one of the models who was very thin, but, like, her storyline was like, she can't stop eating bagels and she's. She got the pudgy stomach.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was crazy. Yeah.

[Cat]

And I didn't, like, clock it as a kid of like, oh, she's gluttony. Her. Her deadly sin photo shoot in the coffin was, she's gluttonous, she can't stop eating. And then she was the elephant when they had to be an animal in Africa. And I, like, I never put that together as a kid. And then when she was explaining it, she's like, oh, it's on purpose now, because now I see you. You are making this my storyline because now you're making me the elephant. And, like, my tummy's too big and I'm like, whoa. Like, I never thought that as a kid. It was so weird. She also had a photo shoot where she was again in Africa where she called out one of the male models who was, like, grinding on her and, like, getting, like, kind of harassing her. And she, like, stopped the set and was like, I'm, like, really uncomfortable because he's moaning in my ear. And then they yelled at her for stopping the photo shoot. And it's like, well, you just gotta work through it.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. That's so insane.

[Cat]

Mm. So again, it's just so weird. Like, as a kid, I was literally just consuming it without, like, critical thought, you know, or, like, the commentary. But then, like, even without them, you know, explaining it, like, as an adult watching that, I was like, whoa, this is, like, so bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, even the models who were, like, adults. But once again, the 18, 19, 20 debate, everything before 25, they were like, like, yeah, there should have been other people on. Oh, I think it was Shandy, who is like. They're like, should. Like, the producer stepped in check. Yeah. I think after we got out of the hot tub, they should have been like, okay, that's, like, enough. Like, the boys go home. We stopped filming. Like, whatever. So it's like, yes, they were, like, adults, but, like, they weren't obviously. Like, they were given alcohol, which is, like, wild. And then also, they were just very young, and they said that too. Like, looking back, there should have been someone else stepping in. Crew. The crew filming everything is crazy. That phone call, like, obviously that say, that happened is crazy. That they filmed that. The phone call after they were like, why did we film that? Like, it was just so. So bizarre. And, like, no one. That fact that, like, no one stepped in. And, like, you said that not only did Tyra not take accountability, but, like, also the executive producer, they kept interviewing.

[Cat]

It was like a hot potato of, like. Like, everyone was trying to, like, throw it to someone else. As far as, like, blame. It's like, okay, throwing it to the next person. Throwing it to the next person. Like, at the end of the day, someone has got to, like, hold it and, like, be accountable here. Obviously, I understand there are, like, executives behind that run, like, networks and stuff, and they are, like, very cutthroat. They literally only care about bottom line. Like, that's it. You see it now with, like, mergers and layoffs. Like, they're like, a lot of people's lives get completely ruined, and they just have to do it to keep the business going. But, like, when you are Ken Mock or, like, Tyra, when you, like, are running the show, you are the person that everyone's gonna look to, like you are the showrunner. So you gotta really, like, be like, yeah, this was bad. Instead of, like, just being like, I didn't know what else to do. I'm tossing it. And what really annoyed me is, like, they wanted to take the credit for the things that went right, but they don't want to take. They don't want to be accountable for the things that went wrong. So, like, you can't be tired and be like, yeah, like, we did this. I. I created this show. Like, no one believed it and it got the highest ratings. Like, you can't say you did everything, that you are responsible for all this, but then not also be responsible for the bad. You have to take both.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

In a different part, she talked about that specific scenario in a different lens. Before she was accused of anything. She was like, I'm a master editor. You have to be.

[Cat]

Yes.

[Oscar]

I was in the editing room. I saw it, like, so she confessed on one side to be in the editing room, be part of that decision of what's going to be shown. Then later on to say, that was my choice. The other guy, the producer, same thing. He was like, like, well, there was much worse footage and we actually really scaled it down. That was crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

He said that.

[Oscar]

So, yes, it could have been worse.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, a what?

[Oscar]

How can a crew film, basically porn? Like, you need to stop filming when somebody is naked and there's sex acts.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

You can't be filming that.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, that, like, that pissed me off all that part too. Yeah. She's also the executive producer, right? Tyra and executive producers, like the Crushians, always say they can cut whatever they want. Like, they can cut anything. They see the storylines like. Like that. Like, yes, maybe you weren't there filming it, but, like, you, obviously, if you were the editing bay executive producer, you get like a say of what goes out there.

[Cat]

Like, yeah, I don't understand how she could be, like, half accountable, half not. Like, she does admit that it's bad, but then doesn't hold. Take space to be like, yeah, like, I shouldn't have not allowed this to happen, not allowed it to air. It really just kind of reminded me of, like, just the ethics of. Of reality tv. And we kind of see this a lot too, with people just become expendable for the sake of entertainment. And the people who run these shows kind of lose their own humanity because of, like, their own ambition. Weirdly, I got like, the David Dobrik flashbacks because you just see people obviously, vlog versus show. I get it. But you have a production, and at the end of the day, all you think about is, like, what that episode is going to be, what that storyline is going to Be that you lose sight of, like. Like, these are actual people. But then you are so lost in your own creation that you can't even, like, peek your head out and, like, look at the mess you made. Like, you still think you did nothing wrong, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

So I was gonna say the David Dobrik, too thing in that same sense of, like, maybe it's like they're trying not to open up a lawsuit to be like, yeah, that shouldn't have happened, and then be like, well, now I've been traumatized for, like, 20 years from it. But I'm sure they signed. Unlike David Dobrik, I'm sure they signed, like, contracts that, like, release them being sued.

[Cat]

I don't even. Yeah, I don't even think it's a liability thing. Yeah, they are just so, like, lot. Like, again, maybe the. And I do think, like, for Tyra, for example, I do think her initial thought of, like, making a show where, you know, fighting for, like, diversity, inclusivity, giving girls opportunity, like, the Cinderella story, like, it started from a good place, but then became so warped. But as all this stuff is happening, like, she still feels like, no, but my. Like, my objective is good. You know what I mean? Like, I'm doing something good. Even though you're all these people, like, no, like, you're hurting us and ruining our lives.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that's what's crazy is, like, if someone's just like, this ruined my life. This was like, multiple, right? It's not one girl. It's like, multiple girls are being like, this show ruined my life. Was it Danielle with the Gap?

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And how, like, even now, she's like, I did not want to close the gap. Like, I don't remember that at all. I remember the gap situation. I just thought she closed it, end of story. But she had, like, gone. She. I'm not doing this. Like, I stood my ground. That's who I am. And then to be like, Tyra being like, okay, but if you're staying, you're closing that gap is, like, so crazy. And then the next season or whatever, they, like, have someone, like, widen their gap. To me, that feels, like, insane. And, like, I get it. You can be like, it's the modeling world or whatever. No, but it's like, if there's a model with, like, a gap in her tooth and she doesn't want to close it, like, they take it or they don't, they mention it in the next season. Like, Lauren Hutton with, like, the space between her teeth and stuff, and that's like, what Made her her. And it's, like, so insane for someone be. I don't want to do this. And then be like, well, you gotta stay or you're gonna be eliminated if you don't get crimp.

[Cat]

Is such, like, a. A power trip where it's like, okay, these girls, like, are kind of like pieces in the game, and if they don't abide by the rules, then they're just like, are out. You know, it's like. And that's kind of where the whole thing with, like, the. When Tyra screamed at, like, Tiffany, that whole, like, moment that has gone down in history, you know, like, I was rooting for you. We're all rooting for how dare you. It was like, how that came about was Tiffany didn't want to, like, read this prompt or there was. They were supposed to read this crazy trip where all there was all these French words and all these complicated designer names, and it's basically to make them look like dumb models who can't read and who.

[Trisha Paytas]

And most people would not know. I didn't know half those words. They're designer names. They're like, who would know this anyways?

[Cat]

Yeah, so it was to make them, like, look dumb and all those, like, little challenges on the Runway anyway, like, when they wore the 10 inch heels, like, it was all stuffed to make. It was like a circus stuff to make them look dumb. And she's like, I just don't want to do it. Like, I don't want to, like, look dumb for, like, entertainment. And then that's when she got yelled at for, like, not caring enough about the competition.

[Trisha Paytas]

And they said that was worse too. Shake. She screamed at me more than what they showed. She goes, it was nasty. It was, like, not nice. Like, it. That was. So they just showed. Oh, I guess she said they made it look like she was, like, like, trying to help her. Like, she was, like, upset and stuff like that. Because she was, like, rooting for her. She was. But no, it was like her just, like, berating me and stuff.

[Cat]

Yeah. So. Because with that moment in particular with, like, Tiffany, the backstory was that she had auditioned for, like, a previous cycle and she ended up getting in a fight in a bar. But they still, like, wanted to. They still saw her potential, wanted her to be a model. So they got her help for, like, anger management, brought her back for, like, the next cycle. So I feel like they probably thought they had, like, a little bit ownership. Like, oh, like, we helped her.

[Trisha Paytas]

The show got her anger management.

[Cat]

Yeah, like, they helped her they gave, they kind of carried her through. Like they got her anger management, they worked with her to get help and then they brought her back for the next year season for like another chance.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's even crazier than to like trigger her that way. Because honestly she held her composure.

[Cat]

She did the whole time.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like 18. If I was 28 year old trash and someone was yelling at me like that I would have like gone off. Like that would have been so crazy. She was like. And then after the yelling and all that she's like, okay, thank you. Like she was so nice. And I was just like, what the hell? Knowing she has anger problems and you got her anger help. Like that's insane to let them try and trigger her. She held it together.

[Cat]

Damn. And in 2017 she did an interview with Buzzfeed and one of the lines that she recalls Tyra telling her is, you can go back to your house and sleep on your mattress on the floor with your baby doing during their interaction. Which is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

They didn't hear that part.

[Cat]

They didn't air that part. And then so that's what Tiffany said in 2017. And then in wow. The Reality Check docu series we see like Mr. J saying like there is some stuff that she said that I will never repeat that was so much worse. And so that kind of of lines up with what Tiffany said in 2017. Oh yeah. Like just so like below the belt and so shaming.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. That's so weird.

[Cat]

Yeah. And Tiffany, it has nothing to do

[Trisha Paytas]

with modeling or anything.

[Cat]

Yeah. It's so personal. And I. Danielle ended up saying in the, in episode three, like they made a multi million dollar franchise off the backs of girls dreams. So it really was kind of like dangling, you know, their whole dreams coming true in front of them and like using that against them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, because yeah, also too like the threat of like you know, if you, if you mess this up, like you're blacklisted, like we're the end all be all of the entertainment industry and girls are thinking like this is their lifeline. They have to do this to like survive.

[Cat]

And Tiffany posted on Instagram after this aired. She ended up deleting it. But what she initially said in an Instagram caption, she said, hold up Tyra Banks, let's keep it cute. You are one lying tired. You know how you treated me the whole time off and on camera? You were a bully. You treated me like and said the nastiest things about me and my son. That is not how the argument went. But you edited it to make it look like you cared. Also, f the shade room, f the fans, and F Tyra Banks. I bet you won't sit down with me face to face and talk about it. Y' all don't ever defend me. I got more money in helping more people than any of the top models, but that's the update you guys give a damn. Shame period. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, she kind of shouldn't eat with that. I feel like. Yeah. Talking about someone's kid is, like, great. It's also, like, so many shamey things. It's like one. As if, like, having a kid at a young age is, like, a bad thing or wherever. She doesn't know the conditions of what she sleeps and stuff like that. It's like. It's just so weird to go for someone's, like, child when like. Or bring it into that on, like, tv. Like, obviously it's all being filmed in an air, but it's, like, such a. I'm glad. Honestly. This feels like one of those things where it's like, people don't say anything because they think their voice won't be heard or, like, it'll just get shut down or won't. So, like, the fact that everyone has, like, this collective voice now, it probably feels so vindicating, but the fact that she still feels like that, like, 20 years later or however long, like, says a lot. Right? It's like, they didn't talk about this for so long. Now everyone's coming out, so they feel, like, safer to talk about it. And it's just. It just sucks that everyone. Not everyone, but a lot of these contestants have it.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like. Like, like, like half of them.

[Cat]

And I feel like this was only, like, scratching the surface. There's gonna be another special on E. On March 11 where more models come forward. And it's supposed to be a lot more intense, I guess, is from what the other girls have been saying.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, they probably see this, and they just feel just, like, safe. They're like, well, actually, I have a story too, because it's just. You feel like if you. If you go against something for whatever reason, most of these people are, like, not in the industry anymore, so they don't really have anything, like, to lose as far as that goes. But they probably just feel, like, safe, and they're like, now I can tell the story and people will, like, listen.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I don't know if people would have listened back then.

[Oscar]

And the power dynamics media for them to use back then.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And voice there because they're naturally they're really are victims. They probably wanted to be in the space, but that was the end. Like, they ruined their.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. There was no social media or like the. It's not like now where you go on, like, Love island and everyone's an influencer.

[Cat]

I was gonna say podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's like. Like that was it.

[Cat]

Because at least on shows now, I mean, quote unquote, at least. But like, yes, you know that you're going in and it's going to kind of be a spectacle, right? Like, you know that you go in. You know that you can be edited or portrayed a certain way. Like, you might not come off the best, but you at least know that you will have a platform where you can give your side of the story. Like, for someone that's on Love island, who doesn't get the best edit or Drag Race, any of these shows, you know that you. That you can have your social media. There's fan podcasts that you can go on. There's just more avenues for you versus back then, like, you were off the show and you had nowhere to go to speak your piece or say what your point of view or what actually happened. And also in episode three, Danielle talked about how, like, Tyra knew that back then, the stigma around reality tv, it wasn't like they could actually have a career. Like, we see Alandria now. She's at every Runway, every, like, New York Fashion Week, Paris Fashion Week. Like, everyone wants her, but back then, the fashion industry didn't want anything to do with these models. So Danielle's like, I won this contract with Ford. My agent wouldn't send me anywhere. Like, she wouldn't get any work. Some of the girls that she was roommates with are, like, the biggest models in the world right now. Like Chanel, Iman and. Yeah. And she was like, we were together, we were roommates, but I wouldn't get any work because of America's Next Top Model.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, interesting.

[Cat]

And then she said, Tyra, 15 years later, like, when they saw each other in person again. Yeah, said Danielle, I'm sorry, because I knew that you were not going to get any work because of this show. I knew that this show was going to put obstacles in front of you, and I just let it happen.

[Trisha Paytas]

When did she say that?

[Cat]

She said, I guess they saw each other, like, 15 years.

[Trisha Paytas]

She like, kind of admitted, yeah.

[Cat]

And she. And that's what Danielle said. She said that she was pissed. She was like. She said, respectfully, Tyra, f you because you. It's one thing to know that this was gonna happen to me, but it's another thing to, like, see me experiencing it and to not say anything. Like, you basically saw me suffering, and you just, like, walked on by in

[Trisha Paytas]

the prime model years, too.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because it's like, you went 15 years to be, like, actually sorry. And you can't get those years backwards diabolically. And the whole point, Right. Of the show is to, like, mentor models. Like, Tyra's your mentor and to help you out. So it's like, like, the fact that she couldn't even be, like. Because she had so many brands, so many things, or, like, the TV show even, where she could have, like, hired these models to, like, yes. Be with her, like, is so actually insane.

[Cat]

Mm. And because. At least. Because I'm trying to, like, relate it to shows now, but, like, even, like, the Voice, like, when they have, like, celebrity judges and stuff, like, I know I forget who it was, but, like, they kind of work with them or collaborate with them. The only one I kind of remember off the top of my head, unfortunately, is Blake Shelton. But there was, like, one of the country girls who was, like, on that show that didn't win, but, like, he at least, like, had her, like, open up for his tour. Like, he, like, continued to, like, work with them and help them and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Cat]

Set them up with relationships for, like, at different labels, you know, I feel

[Trisha Paytas]

like that always happens now in reality shows.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You just. They'd love to see the reunion, like, come up again. Yeah.

[Cat]

Yeah. So the dynamic is just, like, so different. And even with, like, Shandy, I think is probably the biggest storyline with, like, like, her essay turned in, like, the cheating scandal. That is all one thing. Right. And Tyra can kind of, like, shift the blame there. But then they go into this towards the end where then I forget how much further along it was. I think it was like, a. Maybe five cycles later or whatever, they had, like, a reunion of, like, the biggest top model storylines. So then they brought Shandy back for the Tyra show, and the one thing she asked, she's like, please just, like, do not show the clip of me in the hot tub, because, like, I can't watch it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Cat]

So Tyra, like, brings up Shandy. She's like, one of the biggest moments. Your incident in the hot tub. She's like, I know you have never been able to watch it, but let's take a look now. And that is just, like, evil. Like, sorry, that's actually evil.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's why. Yeah.

[Cat]

It's one thing to be Like, I had no control in the show, but then now it's the Tyra show and you're doing the same thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's like literally your show. Literally. She has not touched. Well, tire show was always shady. We talked about that already. Entire show. Shady. Shady as hell. Oh, I. That's why I didn't see that part. Yeah.

[Cat]

That's in the third episode.

[Trisha Paytas]

But wow. Wow.

[Cat]

The just full exploitation, like, not being able to hold yourself accountable for it. And then in the moments where in the docu series when, during her interviews when she tries to be, like, apologetic or whatever, it all just comes across like some kind of, like, disingenuous, like a performance almost. Because she's so theatrical.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tyra.

[Cat]

Yeah, Tyra. So theatrical when she's, like, addressing this stuff. She's like, it was a different time. Like, you could go back, like, thank you. Thank you for holding me accountable.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Cat]

And I hope that when it happens to you, you listen when people are calling you out on your. Like, she's so. It's almost like a politician.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. We're like, you're feeling something, but.

[Cat]

Yes. It just feels, like, disingenuous. I don't know. It's just such a.

[Trisha Paytas]

Especially if she wants to do another season, another.

[Cat]

Yeah, girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have we learned not. You know, it's like. Yeah, the whole thing came across. I think what someone that said it was right or what people were saying is like. Or you said maybe that it was like, about Ms. J originally. Right. The documentary. So maybe she thought, like, she had no idea, like, the premise of the documentary. Maybe she just thought it was just like, making history. Right. Like, oh, yes, I was there at the beginning. This is like, my contribution. No, the angle. Maybe they didn't know the angle. I guess, like, going into a lot

[Oscar]

of documentaries start with a certain idea, and then as the stories are unraveled, they're like, oh, this is really where

[Trisha Paytas]

Casey and I sat with David Dobrik.

[Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So maybe that's it. Maybe she went and thinking, like, I.

[Cat]

I also think that, like, I mean, she's addressed America's Next Top Model stuff before. Like, she. I think it was like the Essence, like, Black Woman Awards, where she kind of addresses, like, the stuff from America's Next Top Model. So I think she thought she. Unfortunately, I guess she thought she. That was her holding herself accountable, being responsible. I don't think she realized, like, it would come across stone dead stuff. And yeah, the stuff where she just, like when she gets asked about, like, her relationship with Mr. J, she's like, I don't want to talk about that. I should reach out to him. Like, you know. Yeah. I don't know if she realized how deep it was gonna go with, like the Jays and Nigel saying their side of the story with like the firings and everything and with not being able to. Not going to see, like Ms. J after the. She had a stroke. Like, that's. And also I didn't know how far their relationship went back to when Tyra was like a teenager.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I didn't know either. She. They had showed pictures of them and she, you know, she taught me how to walk and like, all stuff like that. Like, it's actually so crazy to see how far back they went and like, how much impact Ms. J had on Tyra's career. And then for Tyra not to like, hey, how are you doing? Like insane. Yeah, it was, it was a well done documentary. Made Tyra look horrible.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, we. I love Tyra. I was rooting for you, Tyra. We were all rooting for you. Like, I really did like Tyra. I feel like she's so camping camp. This unfortunately sounds like you sucked a lot and you just haven't given enough apologies to a lot of girls, young girls that you hurt. Because these people are like, these models are women. They're like, it just stayed with me forever. Like, stuff that happened on that show just stayed with them for like, such, like still now. And it's like, that's some. That's some deep rooted drama. And you were. Not only were you giving it, delivering it, but also you were executive producing it. You were a part of it. You were the team glorifying it. It's like, okay, there was obviously some issues and I think people would give, like, grace to it. Right? It's like, yes, it was 20 years ago, I think. So. I think if she's like, there were issues, like, this was the beginning of reality tv. Like, we didn't know because, like, the people that were filming it were trying to be like, well, we shot documentary style. They knew the good, the bad. It's like no one knew back then. You know what I mean? Yeah. The model specifically, it's like. But you knew, like, there are certain things that were always like, right and wrong. Right. You know, it's like, like obviously, like the race swapping, like, I, I got. We were kind of saying, like, we get where they're going with some of these things. Obviously poor execution. Like, someone didn't think it through. And it's like, what what the hell? I think Mr. J was saying, like, you know, he's like, mixed, and he's like, this is a weird, like. But you just, like, go along with it, kind of getting it. But then obviously, like, stuff like the shandy situation stuff, it's like. Or even the gap, like, someone's body, like, I feel like for forever. People know, like, you don't push someone to, like, change who they are, their body. Obviously not filming all that is, like, an obvious. So it seems like there's just some stuff that was just always a given. I don't know. It's kind of when people are like, well, you can forgive people who make jokes about children, like, sexually. It's like, no, like, that's been wrong for years. Like, hundreds of years. You know, there's never been, like, a time where it was, like, funny or edgy. So I don't know. It's kind of. That kind of stuff gets, like, lost on me when they're like, well, no one knew it was like, a documentary, but if Tyra was like, you know, it's like a reality show, whatever. And I don't know. I think people give grace. If she was just like, yeah, it was up. You know what I mean? It's like, because you can in your head rationalize, like, stuff that I did, too, in the past, you can rationalize it. That's not what I was thinking. That's. But then they'd be like, up. And you just be like, yeah, like, I wish that didn't happen. Like, I wish I could erase that. You know what I mean? And I still think we all not to. We're aligning it so much with the David Dover. But it's true. I feel like apologies go a long way. Like, I feel like if she reached out to those girls, like, she did too, I guess. Daniela, right. Like, 15 years later. But it's like, too little too late. But I guess if you reached out to someone and, like, showed some sort of remorse, maybe it gives a little bit of closure and be like, well, at least she admitted it, you know,

[Oscar]

that she heard also, like, the intention. Because if a production gets a bunch of girls are like, okay, you're gonna go with those guys on the motorbikes? Okay, Are you okay if the guys are coming over? Are you okay for bringing alcohol? Like, you can see that the intention was very clear and very malicious in that way. And they don't see them as people. They just see them as subjects for sensationalism. Them. And instead of mentoring them, it became torment. Like, the show really was. We watched the collages. It became like, Fear Factor Olympics of modeling.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like, she said that too, right?

[Oscar]

Not anymore.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Mentoring anyone or trying, it was just like, how can we torment them? Make them do things that are horrible, impossible, uncomfortable.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And see them go through that just for the chance of maybe getting, you know, 15 minutes of fame? And I. I personally feel. My opinion is, like, they really hate the people that they have in their shows. In reality shows.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Because not a way to, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

The way they use them and they try to abuse them. You have to really not like these people and put them in those situations.

[Trisha Paytas]

They just think it's like. It's kind of like the squid games of it. All. Right. They just think it's, like, entertainment. Yeah.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like, look at these desperate people. I'll do anything. You know what I mean? And it's. It's. It's. Yeah. I mean, a lot of them are. I mean, that go on reality shows. Obviously, they, like, you know, want a career, and they want to, like, make a better life for themselves. They will give anything, but. Yeah. Then they exploit it. Yeah. I think. What was it the one Nigel was like.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't think anything went too far, except for that one where they were doing, like, the violent crime photo shoot.

[Cat]

Oh, my God. Can I tell you, like, this is where, like, the childhood thing, like, really was effing with me, because it was like. I remember, like, I kind of said this in the other episode, but I remember, like, looking up, like, the photos afterwards and, like, making, like, graphics in Photoshop of, like, these photo shoots. And I remember, like, the model violence one. I remember the unhoused one. I remember the, like, model stereotypes with, like, the bulimia one. Like, I remember being like, oh, these are so fast, like, living for it. And then I'm like, what the hell was I, like, just consuming. It's so weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, insane. It's so that. That photo shoot, I don't even, like, remember, but the one who was like. Like, they knew on my application that my mom died from, like, gunshot wound, and then they had her do that exact one in the head. And then they're like, the. The judges are like, you look beautiful in this shot. You look, like, so insane. And even Nigel's like, I didn't think it was, like, far the time. Looking back, I'm like, what do you mean? At the time, like, that was like. So the stuff that they put them in, it was, like, domestic violence, like, all this, like, crazy. It's like I was like, how did anyone, like. And it wasn't even for anything. I get it was like a competition, but it just, like, wasn't even for anything. Like, it was just like, you know, they do those PSAs that are crazy or whatever, but it's like there was nothing. Even that photo shoot wasn't like, raising money for something. PSA for something.

[Cat]

True crime.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But like, glorifying and making it like, oh, that's so beautiful.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

True.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if we ever seen

[Cat]

that violence against women, but make it fashion is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. That one, to me, was wild. And again, just knowing all their traumas, knowing that that model's mom was. Was died that way or was murdered that way. And all of it, just, all of them knowing all this back the. Was it Tiffany that had an anger? Is that what you said? Yeah. Like, just knowing the background is so insane. It's so wild. They owe all them therapy. If they went to therapy, they should get paid for by that show. Like, it's just, wow. Because like I said, no one took on the other guy, too.

[Cat]

That.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know his name. The other one was that kind of the executive producer. Yeah. Like, literally taking. I'm like, you should, like, you, like, you made the money. You got nothing to lose at this point. Like, just take a little bit. Be like, we didn't know what we were doing. We were just kind of like, this is like the pioneer, you know, Like I was of YouTube. Like, just have reality shows. You just, like, don't know what's gonna. You didn't know what was happening. Just say that. Be like, it was kind of a mess and we should have had more coordinators involved. And also. But unfortunately, like you said, reality show, reality TV still doesn't have that care. They don't have those people checking in on you. It seems. Right.

[Cat]

We've.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was it jam? Jam or someone was talking about being on a reality show where they didn't have, like, therapy for them. I don't know. Maybe it wasn't jam.

[Oscar]

It's the opposite. The outcome they want is you breaking down, not you being fine. In reality shows, like, they don't want. They want things to happen and for people to get emotional and lose it and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, there's no, like, therapist for them. Or maybe it was like, even Nia, I think, one time said they. She might. They might have a therapist or something. But I just remember, like, not having any of that care. I will say about the UK The UK Big Brother, they kind of did because I'd have, like, my meltdowns and then they would, like, like sneak a little therapist in there and they're like, do you want to talk to someone? I'm like, actually, yeah. So they did kind. They did care. And even afterwards, they did care. So I will give them that. I mean, obviously they're making a reality show and they meet and sometimes you may not know what's for entertainment. Is someone like, you know, doing this for real or is it entertainment? But I feel like they should always have, like, more safety, more people just regulating, making sure that they're looking out for the contestants, you know, like an outside company making sure they do that. On, like, scripted shows, there's always, like an HR person that has nothing to do with, like, the studios or anything. And they'll, like, talk to you if, like, an incident happens. And I don't think that reality shows, like, the reality shows I done, they were old, like 2007 or whatever. It's like they never had any of that. They were never like, are you okay? It was like you got eliminated and then it was just like. And go home. Like, it was just. And then you just. You spiral. I mean, mine was so, like, silly and not like, whatever. It was like a superhero show. But you do spiral because you're like, oh, my God, what did I do wrong? Like, I up. Like, I wish I could go back and like, no one. And this is obviously way more intense. And the people were there for, like, months at a time away from their family, kids. That kind of stuff is. Again, it doesn't seem like it gets much better. But be careful. If you're going on reality shows, they'll always edit you. They'll always have final control of the edit, which I. I don't like. I. I don't know if I could ever do something. That's what. I'm surprised Tyra did this without final control of the edit, because if I don't have final control of the edit, it can edit you however you want, which is, like, kind of scary. It's like, oh, that's kind of. You could have a good edit. You could have a bad at it. We see this happen all the time. But I don't know. Was your reality show

[Cat]

trying to think if there is one, I would do Survivor.

[Trisha Paytas]

You said you like Survivor.

[Cat]

I like Survivor. I don't think I could ever do it. When I was younger, I did want to do Big Brother, but it's so long now. Like, it used to Just be, like, two and a half, three months. I think now it is, like. I mean, that's what Jam Jam was saying with, I think, Cherie. She was there for, like, over 100 days or something. And I'm like, there is literally no way in hell.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Cat]

I don't know if there is one I would be down to do. I really don't. It's. So, yeah. I'm also, like, I don't have, like, one. A talent to do, like, a drag race or something either, so.

[Oscar]

But if you did Amazing Race or.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ooh, Amazing Race. Sounds crazy.

[Oscar]

You and the Aran can do it.

[Cat]

Yeah. Like, Amazing Race would be kind of fun, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's cute. I could never do that. I'd be eliminated right away. I'm so slow. Physical challenge. No, I couldn't do it. I mean, it would be fun. Couldn't do it.

[Cat]

Yeah. But, God, I mean, because I. I think too, like, I watch now, obviously, like, 90 day fiance now. I'm, like, looking at that too. I'm like. But I mean, at least they have social. Like, at least now they have platforms afterwards. So I do feel like it is just kind of different now because, like, of course there is, like, that element of, like, voyeurism. I Like, they get their lives do get, like, exploited for, like, entertainment and stuff. But there is more. At least agency and, like, you can go and take control of your narrative after.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Cat]

So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because that helps. I feel like they do edit, even. Like, we're watching, like, Love is Boring, the New scene. And I really do feel like they edit people just to look like clowns. Like that. Everyone's here to laugh and be like, oh, my God, what a loser this person is. Like, it's really. It's crazy because I'm sure these people have redeeming qualities, but you don't see any of it.

[Cat]

It's so true.

[Trisha Paytas]

You see none of it in these shows.

[Cat]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And, yeah. I mean, is it worth it? You know what? I. I would actually say yes. You know me, I would do anything. I've done way worse to try and get my name out there. So it's like, I get it. I get Go on these. Psychologically, you suffer.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, especially now, like, the.

[Cat]

You know, the. Like, I love island, the Bachelor. Like, you see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Cat]

Like, you get a whole platform. And now, especially with the Bachelor, you kind of see the girls go on there to be influencer or everybody. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like everybody goes on there for that.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think there's one person that's there for love.

[Cat]

Yeah. Like, the career comes kind of first, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. You always hear people say they want to be, like, second place so they could be like, the bachelorette. Like, they don't want to win. They're like, I want to be the next person. So. So, yeah, I guess just be prepared. Get a good therapist. Hopefully they pay some more. They never pay, I guess. Adrian Curry had said, claimed that none of the models got paid to be in this documentary, but, like, the Jays got paid.

[Cat]

Oh, interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which is kind of crazy. Yeah. I don't know usually with documentaries, for my knowledge, because, like, documentaries are the thing now instead of, like, reality shows. Everyone's like, do you want to do a documentary? Like, it's really, like, kind of the trendy thing right now. And from my understanding is, like, you don't. I thought you don't get paid up front to, like, sell it, but if they're a part of it, if, like, let's say Ms. J, like, it was created with, like, around her and everything like that. Like, maybe they get the money. But they said none of the models got paid. I mean, that's what Adrian Curry said.

[Cat]

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I don't know how, like, where a documentary lies because, like, in news, for the most part, I mean, it depends on, like, where you work, but most, like broadcast news, places, whatever. Like, it goes against the ethics, like, pay for an interview, you know? So, like, the interviews are unpaid. But yeah, I guess I don't know where a documentary would lie. It does make sense, I guess, if Nigel and the Jays were involved in the creative and the inception, and maybe their titles are more of, like, a producing title.

[Oscar]

It just seemed like the people accusing don't get paid. The people defending themselves get paid.

[Cat]

That's true.

[Oscar]

So basically, you don't want to say, oh, well, the model just came to say that because she was paid fate. So she has incentive to criticize them. But the people that defended themselves and are more of a celebrity status, they get paid to be on it because otherwise why would they do it or be there?

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. Yeah. Interesting. We never really do get paid when it comes to, like, reality stuff. You don't really don't get paid.

[Cat]

But yeah, I think the model. I think for America's Next Top Model, I. I've read something where they were paid, like, 40 bucks a day or something. Crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It was always low. I think superhero is that too. I think about 100 a day. I guess it's something. But it definitely doesn't pay the bills.

[Cat]

I was trying to see. I don't see them as the Jays and Nigel. I don't see them listed as, like, producers. So I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

That could be. I just heard it from me.

[Cat]

No, I mean. I mean that. It does kind of make sense, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Cat]

Yeah. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the E News one in March.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Cat]

Because it sounds like it's going to be a little bit crate. Like, some of the models have said, like, I've gone places that, like, I never thought I would go when I was talking about it, whatever. And they've been like, you thought this was crazy. Like, they're just scratching the surface. Like, wait until you hear imagine.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, because I feel like, yeah, you're so scared to tell these stories and, you know, years later, and it's like, will people believe me? Will you not? But I think now when there's just so much momentum, you're like, okay, now I can, like, tell my story. And I think we see that a lot because I did see criticism. If you're like, why didn't they say this sooner? It's like, well, like, there wasn't social media. You don't know how it's gonna be. You're still trying to be a model. Like, how? Like, how.

[Cat]

And like, Tiffany said this in 20 seen a BuzzFeed. And like, no one. It didn't. Yeah, I didn't know about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

So there was no traction for it back then. So, yeah, that argument's always weird because even I think they say in the documentary, they open it with it being like, 2020 was like the resurgence because.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And everyone's like, re watching this. And then now I know, because we were watching it and they would show like, tick tocks in between of people reacting to the scenes. I was like, but there was no social media back then. I was like, yeah, I guess this is them reacting in 2020 to it. But yeah, there was social media back then. Be interesting how different things would have been if there was, like, public consumption giving their opinions in real time to shows how different things would be. I guess Twitter. But that started like 2009 or something

[Cat]

towards the end of America's Sex Top Model. It was like maybe like cycle 17 onward. There was like a social media element where, like, I remember they had people send in vid, like, they would post the photos, like, on the website, and you could send in a video of yourself judging. But it was all very mean, to be honest. Like, the shift didn't really happen. And so like you kind of see shows adapting to the shift in social media. Kind of like in again maybe like 2020, like after black Lives Matter there was the more like the diversity initiatives were like some networks would be like, okay, if we're casting for reality show, like this percentage has to be people of color. So then you started kind of seeing that it kind of got a little bit more.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it was just recent. I feel like Jam Jen talked about that how it was just recent Survivor.

[Cat]

It was like I think maybe 2021 maybe is when.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, right. Oh, you said that with the Black Lives Matter.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. That took like so long.

[Cat]

I know. Crazy, because I think yeah, there it just kind of things got viewed with a different lens. I think semi racync honestly kind of with like Tik Tok and people kind of calling things out and stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, that's the thing with America's not that model. Like it could have been kind of good because I think they did. Obviously everyone was like tall, thin and beautiful. But there was like diversity in the cast from the beginning. Right? There was quite a bit of diversity, which I think was great because Tahira obviously talks about like adversity she faced and stuff. So I like, it was good. And then even with the plus size models coming in, stuff like that, like it was. It could have been good.

[Cat]

Yeah. There were parts that were well intentioned and good and then it got lost in like the. The circus, the spectacle. You know, I keep seeing this one clip of like it's like Tyra's not seeing the pearly gates because it was like one cycle where she had had. There was like 30 girls. She told one half that they made it to the season and they didn't make it. And then she told 1/2 they were eliminated. I know she told 1/2 they were eliminated. They're like, okay, like we're gonna go get your bags. And then the producer comes like, okay, Tyra hasn't just wants to come in and say goodbye to you. Like she hates saying goodbye. So she's gonna come in and give you guys. And they're in tears, crying. And then they're like, yeah, you guys are gonna have to go home, but you won't have to go very far because. And then the curtain drops. They're in their apartment, their model apartment. And then. And then we never see the other girls who thought they thought they made it. They just are gone. That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is crazy. That's insane. Like, that insane. That's like Something. I mean, like, your dad just passed away. He's right here, like, but, like, waiting for you to go through the emotion.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And just getting worked up and, like, your body's physically shutting down.

[Cat]

It's like, actually literally, like, was trembling, like, on the floor, and she's, like. In the cuts to her interview, Tyra literally had to come and hold me because I couldn't. I was on the floor. I couldn't move, and I was like, this is insane. Insane, sinister.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Keep it in the archives. Keep it as the documentation. All the models of that were contestants. Keep coming out with your stories. We want to hear your voices heard. Like, just crazy. A lesson for even now, a lesson for all these beast games or everything happening. Just, let's just, you know, care a little bit about someone's psyche. You know what I mean? Let's get, like, a psychologist on board, a therapist on board. Like, like something. I mean, I like, I get it. Yeah. Like, it'd be boring. Just watch everyone just be, like, fun and happy, but we can do it with a little more care.

[Cat]

Yeah. Just crazy.

[Oscar]

And it's. It's basically greediness because they're like, those shows make so much money, and they want to pay the least and give the least care to people that are making the show. That's what I'm saying. They.

[Trisha Paytas]

They literally despise these people, Specifically America's Next Top Model. They have all those brand integrations. You know, they're sponsored every challenge. The elephant one was, like, for a lotion, like Jupiter or something. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, they're getting paid. Why? Those models should be getting a little more than the average reality TV contestant because you're literally giving free promo to all, like, coverage. Yeah.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is wild. And those girls. Yeah. And then the fact that they couldn't even, like, get ahead because of the show is just insane. Well, one of them's a famous actress now. They said from Leo Tipton is how you're thinking. Oh, maybe. Yes.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know Chipton.

[Cat]

Yeah, she. I remember she was in Crazy Stupid Love.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that sounds right.

[Cat]

I forgot what her, like, previous name on American Sex Top Model was, but, yeah, she was in Crazy Stupid Love and she was in a couple other things, but she was. She got pretty big.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. There's some people who, like, just went on to do some, but I, again,

[Cat]

in episode three, like, Tyra does kind of take credit for some of these girls. She's like, Winnie Harlow, one of the biggest models in the world. I'm like, well, she did that, like, not because of you, but, like, kind of in spite of the show. There's something.

[Trisha Paytas]

She win.

[Cat]

She didn't win. And she, like, did not like her experience on the show, but she has a bit of ligo. So she was like one of the, you know, a casting that's supposed to be, like, historic, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Cat]

I think she kind of succeeded in spite of. Because of.

[Trisha Paytas]

You can't take credit. It's like, no, you kicked me off the show. Yeah.

[Cat]

So there's some success stories, but not because the show did so much for them, but because they were able to just get lucky after, you know, and keep working hard. But yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

America's Got Talent. Don't say you discovered me. Howie Mandel. Just kidding. I told you something recently. And he's like, oh, do you remember we met on America's Got Talent. I remember. Like, why would I not remember that? How would you remember that? That's so crazy. I got famous in spite of it, not because of it.

[Cat]

Worse work.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was humiliating. That was a humiliating one. But I guess you go on there. I guess they kind of assume. I wonder if they assume you go on there for attention because that's 2012. I wonder if they assume or they do. They assume that you think you're good and you should be on there.

[Cat]

That is. I feel like they. I don't know because I feel like they probably think that they're. I think I would think that you think you're good. Does that make sense? But I don't know if, like, the producer mind has that.

[Trisha Paytas]

That right, because I. There's a famous America's Got Talent. Or maybe it's America. I think it's America's Got Talent where, like, the girl looked like pink and they told her to sing a pink song. And she. And. And the producer's like, no, you have to sing Pink. And then they went out to the. She went on stage performing the guest. The judges were like, why would you sing a pink song? Yeah, they're like. And she's like, no, but they made me. And she said on stage, like, no, no, they made me. And then there's like. They buzzed her and they're like, no, like, off. Like, you're not Pink. Pink. Like, they accumulate her and she, like, they made me. And I had that same experience too. They, like, they told me I was doing, like, Nicki Minaj, and then it was like, America. Then they had changed the Star Spangled Banner, like, and then, like, literally, like the day before, it's like, Star spin. And then the minute of, they're like, can you just, like, make one up? And I had to make one up. Like, in and out. It was, like, so weird. It was, like, weird. The whole thing was weird. I think they set you up for failure probably, if you're like a joke. Or maybe they don't know if you're gonna be a joke. I don't know. It's hard to tell because even.

[Oscar]

No, it seems like they have. They know.

[Trisha Paytas]

They know the joke ones because you

[Oscar]

see, the show goes from like, a really funny one to really horrible one to really good one to.

[Trisha Paytas]

To.

[Oscar]

And they know because they know ahead

[Trisha Paytas]

of time, but they don't know how the audience is going to react. Maybe the audience could have, like, loved. Maybe if I went out now and, like, I did what I did on America, maybe the audience, like, wow, you know what I mean? Like, maybe they don't know how they're going to react.

[Oscar]

I think they know. They set it up in a way to react. They kind of know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know because I know. When I did the fast reader on. What is it? Guinness World Records, like that one, I thought because I just done America's had talent, I was like, oh, this is obviously like a joke joke. And then I obviously didn't win and I felt super humiliated. But then they're like, oh, do the press tour in New York City. And I was just like, oh, that's random. Like, I thought I was like, the joke of it all.

[Oscar]

No, but it was two different things. Because doing speed reading on America. I got talent doing speed reading for world Guinness. Two different things altogether.

[Trisha Paytas]

Should be in the Olympics. Speed reading. Like speed skating. I would love to compete at the same time. Speed skating.

[Oscar]

Why did you juggle speed reading?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you're doing both. Okay, juggling. I was like, yeah. All right, well, American model canceled until March 11th. Then you'll be canceled even more. That's coming up. March 11th. I know February is a short month. It's crazy. Like, next week is our last week of February.

[Cat]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Goes too fast.

[Cat]

Oh, yeah, the big Okay, I need you to call in the favor to your good friend, Good Judy's sister, Ms. Alex Cooper, and get me seated for that Hannah Montana 20 Year Special.

[Trisha Paytas]

What is this?

[Cat]

Alex Cooper is hosting The Hannah Montana 20 Year Special with Miley Cyrus. I know. I was like, she knows everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

She is. I know the female ride secret. She is just everywhere. I love that for her female.

[Cat]

Ryan Seagrass is so active.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. But also share some with the Rest of our hosts out here. Like she is hosting everything.

[Cat]

Montana.

[Trisha Paytas]

What does this mean? What is happening? Is it a sit down? Is it.

[Cat]

It's a sit down retrospective with Martin Miley Cyrus is going to be on Disney plus at the looking back at the 20 years of Hannah Montana, which is crazy that it's been 20 years. I remember like it was yesterday.

[Trisha Paytas]

How old is she?

[Cat]

She's my age, so she's gonna be 33.

[Trisha Paytas]

So she started at 13.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow, wow, wow. She seemed like always a little kid to me. She always seems little to me. But I guess she's grown up.

[Cat]

Yeah, she sure is. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Cat]

I'm so seated for it. I'm so whole seated for it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who else is the whole as Billy Ray?

[Cat]

Okay. That's kind of the problem because everyone's like, why is Alex Cooper. Why isn't it more of the cast, really? I think she kind of. She had a falling out with Billy Ray Cyrus. I.

[Trisha Paytas]

She.

[Cat]

There was like a whole thing with Mitchell Musso as I think what happened with him. He was arrested for theft in public intoxication. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are those misdemeanors? Not a felon, right? I mean, felons are fine too, but it wasn't like he un alive somebody.

[Cat]

And I guess there was some. Miley also claimed that he was like when they were kids. So like a teen. Like 13, 14, like smoking on the set of Hannah Montana as well. And Mitchell. So I feel like there's some weirdness there. She had a falling with Billy Ray, I guess. I mean, Emily Osmond. She's on the young Sheldon spin off. So she's still working. They seem to be like, still friendly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, she was the best friend.

[Cat]

Lily. Yeah. So she. I'm sure though she'll come in it. I'm sure Jason Earl's a brother is going to be in it. Probably.

[Trisha Paytas]

Jason Earl's brother.

[Cat]

Jason Earls was Miley's brother.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Cat]

Moises Arias will probably be in it. He's still working.

[Trisha Paytas]

Loved him. He ate.

[Cat]

He's in the show Fallout with Watson Goggin actually Moist Society.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he an adult now?

[Cat]

No, he never grew up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Does he look like an adult or is he like beans who always looks like a kid? You know what I mean? Like he feels like someone would always look like a kid.

[Cat]

We. Yeah, he does still. He looks like a kid in adult cosplay. But he's an adult.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. Even j. In a nice way. Like he gives kid vibes. Like to me he gives like he could be 14, but he's an adult. And you're like, oh, okay. But yeah, there. Okay. I love that. I love it. Say looking like, oh, Jacob Storus is another one who looks like a child and he's like 25, talking about banging it out and I'm like talking to Shane Dawson. I'm like, what is happening? I'm like, are you 12? And then I'm like, oh, but hey, I like I said, I truly mean that. Like it is a serve. I look like, I've looked like I'm 40 since I was like 18. Like 18. I look like a 40 year old woman. Like, you know, so I'd rather it be the opposite way. Shout out all the people who still look like kids. Pretty impressive. I love it. Yeah, I like, I like him. Oh, I'm excited. I'm seated. So no, Billy Ray, I don't.

[Cat]

I know Billy Ray has like chimed in on the 20 year anniversary special. He just like posted that he's so excited for it on like Twitter and stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you're not invited. Go stay with Fire Starter Moon. Your little. Actually no, they're divorced now. Fire Starter Moon. You remember his like girlfriend that he. Or wife.

[Cat]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

That he married and she was like an extra on the set when she was like a child and then he married her and then they did those weird videos together. Well now she's like on Tick tock being like he was a. She's like sharing like voicemails. Oh, you seen it all?

[Cat]

I haven't seen. I read. I read an article but about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yeah, I'm like, girl, are you okay? She wasn't like, those videos are like them just being like so weird together. But then I realized like, oh, she's like. But now he's with Elizabeth Hurley.

[Cat]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which is like she's been with Hugh Grant. She's like, obviously she's famous. Austin Powers. Yeah, yeah, she's been. She was with Pete Davidson. Oh my God. Thought. Yeah. She's like beautiful. And you're just like, what? He was just on Mass Singer. I was like, this is so weird that you're with Elizabeth Hurley. Like, I think we're all gagged. Okay. Rita Ora being gagged. That's really Ray Siren, that mask. No, it's like, of course he'd be on this show. Where else would he be? Like, he's not. And he's saying achy, break your heart. Mo's like, oh, I know this song. I'm like, yeah, his one song back in 1985, like, that's it. That's all he was knowing. He scares me. He should not be invited. I hope she has some can't be around me in 100ft. Some sort of thing. He's a little scary, right? A little spooky from what I've seen.

[Cat]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

In my opinion.

[Cat]

I agree. That's my opinion as well.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Well, he was hot on Miley's on the Hannah Montana show. He was hot. But something happened to you, sir.

[Cat]

Yeah. It was weird because I guess my mom knew. I remember, like, when we watch Hannah Montana, like, my mom knew who he was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Cat]

And, like, when. Like, he was her crush when she was young.

[Trisha Paytas]

My mom, too.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I knew the song and, you know, like, the person. You're like, oh, that guy's kind of hot. He has long hair in the 80s. Like, you know, you kind of know, oh, he's back. And that's fun. Then you're like, o generations coming together. It's like, well, we're gonna watch this together.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Then he became like, a weirdo, and then all the stuff Miley said about him, and you're like, oh, maybe something's wrong with you.

[Cat]

I hope there was rumors that there was gonna be, like, a concert, and I hope that she does do a little concert. I know Miley is like, anti concert now, but Miley, please throw that wig up in the air, run under it and take a microphone and sing Best of both Worlds. The other side of me. If we were a movie, I got nerve like, like rock star. Oh, blue jeans. Oh, you true, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

You should be hosting. Have Oscar be like a secondary ice

[Cat]

cream freeze dragon pose. Do the milkshake. Like, I know the whole down, throw down. Don't get me started. I lit for Miss my. Like, literally before the show premiered. First of all, let me clock this. I saw the Cheetah Girls live. Who was the opener? Not Miley Cyrus. Hannah Montana. Hannah Montana was the opener for the Cheetah Girls.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Girl.

[Cat]

Girls Christmas concert, mind you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, where was that?

[Cat]

It was at the Universal Amphitheater, which has now been demolished. But my dad took me. It was me and my dad watching Hannah Montana and the Cheetah Girls. And this was before the show premiered. And I was like, this girl's gone. It's just going places.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really.

[Cat]

My mind, my mind.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Cat]

Before the show premiered, she was. There was a photo of my. It was like, meet Miley Rae before she was even, like, Miley size and like a J14. Or like, a tiger beat. One of those. In eighth grade, I remember, like, during reading period or 15 minute, it was like, called dear. It was like, drop everything and read girl. I had the pop star magazine. I was educating myself and there was a tiny little photo, like, because she wasn't big. No one had seen it in Montana. Just a little photo, like, meet Miley Cyrus. She's going to be the new Disney Channel star. I cut it out and I put it on my desk and I was like, this girl's going places.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Cat]

In eighth grade, you almost. I sat down, I said, I want to make history.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oscar, this is why you are so irreplaceable. Like, you're so valuable. Oscar can. He knows he can spot if you get the Oscar seal of approval. Cat's eye, me coming back. Miley Ray before my, like, you know, you are so in. And if you get Oscar to come in with you, you are like the revamp. You are the rebrand. You are everything.

[Cat]

Before she even debuted.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yep.

[Cat]

I was like, she's got it. She's got it.

[Trisha Paytas]

How are you going to get there? How are you going to be a part of this?

[Cat]

You're going to text Alex Cooper and

[Trisha Paytas]

be like, hey, can I do some carpet interviews? Is there going to be a carpet for it? Like, how do we get there? I'll be your producer, since, you know, Morris. I'll. I'll produce you. And you can go with that microphone.

[Cat]

Like, I live going to be there. Oh, my God. The Hannah Montana movie reunion. Yeah. I mean, she is the star of the Hannah Montana movie, so maybe that's

[Trisha Paytas]

about as far as I got for it. Not because. No shade to the movie. I remember, like, starting to watch, and I just saw the tire, like, with the shoe store thing, and I was like, oh, okay, I would love to watch it. Maybe I watched it. I can't remember. I can't remember it. But yeah, I like the idea of Hannah Montana. I maybe should need to watch it a little more.

[Cat]

Loved. I was like, that was my girl or no. Yes, he was.

[Trisha Paytas]

He had, like. He was like, one time in it.

[Cat]

Yep, he was in it. He was like one of the love interest. I was. I was like a hardcore Hannah Montana stand. Like, literally, like the Hannah Montana sl. Miley Cyrus concert. I. My dad took me to that. It was gaggy. It was gaggy.

[Trisha Paytas]

You gotta get there, Let us know how we can be a part of this. I'll. I'll DM out to. I don't know if I have her phone number.

[Cat]

You are not Close. You just. You just won the trophy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. No, yeah.

[Cat]

Still set up campaigning to be signed to the U.N. well, network. But we ain't got her number. Damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't. But I'll find a way. I'll find a way. CA Will find a way. Lydia's always listening. She always asks me, do you really want to do this? She'll always be like, okay, even Congress. I can get someone to help you. Like, she's so on it. So let's figure out if this is a big thing or if it's just like a little sit down thing. Either way, if there's a concert, we want to be seated for it. At least Oscar wants to be seated for it. Maybe I'd come. I don't know.

[Cat]

Maybe I really would live.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, maybe I would live.

[Cat]

I kind of want you to have a Hannah Montana cosplay because it would kind of be like your. What dreams are made of when it's like brunette and blonde Trish, like the same time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Cat]

Performing with yourself, like, that's fierce.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I looked it up one time and I feel like the only pink outfit she had was like episode one in a pink robe with pie on her face.

[Cat]

Girl, let me tell you. I know exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

You have more pink outfits.

[Cat]

It was Hannah Montana. The soundtrack volume two, I believe. Watch me be completely wrong.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I love, I love. You know.

[Cat]

Yes, exactly. Look, she's wearing this white. It's the. The pink jacket with the white tank

[Trisha Paytas]

that's giving Classic Hannah Montana.

[Cat]

Classic Hannah Montana. And don't get me started on Hannah Montana Forever, because look at that. She's wearing the pink little number. The wig wasn't serving as much in Hannah Montana Forever. We all know the wig. The wig truly reached peak wig. The peak wigginess was season two because that thing was laid season one. She threw it up in the air, ran under it, and she grabbed the microphone. Best of both worlds. Mix it all together, honey. But season two, we was. I got nerve. And she was really serving season two.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like flop wig, though, too. As you. You love.

[Cat]

I love Little Shake and Ghost Hannah Montana Forever, though they put a little too much texture. They got a little too much of that sea salt spray. A little too much the dry texture spray. And they really try to like, you know, too real.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, yes.

[Cat]

So it was looking a little dry.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which one are you dressing up as if we do a Hannah Montana day?

[Cat]

Oh, my God. That is an excellent question. That is an excellent question.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've given Moses references to Hannah Montana's Closet. That's the only thing I know I typed in, like, walk in luxury closet and a couple like Hannah Montana. And I'm always like, can you build this for me? This would be so good. That's all I know about Hannah Montana. But I do.

[Cat]

I do love the classic of, like, you know, the red jacket with, like, the sparkly little.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it's giving, like, the pink version, but red tea. It's giving the same style.

[Cat]

I also do love this green little number is one of her most famous. Like the green. The green sparkles. The jeans, the belt.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I do. Is she wearing a little scarf?

[Cat]

Yes, the little scarf.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do love those, actually. Just wear it a lot.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Up.

[Cat]

So honestly, you could do this for when you do Hannah and Miley. Miley's also wearing pink on the album cover.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, wait, I'm not gonna take the wig off. I'm confused. How are you.

[Cat]

You're gonna sing with yourself. So it's gonna be like Hannah and Miley because.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did she do that?

[Cat]

I was seated at the world tour. The Hannah Montana meet Miley Cyrus world tour. It was. She sang. Miley sang Best of both Worlds with Hannah Montana because Hannah was on the screen behind her before. It was her, but obviously. But Hannah was singing Best of both Worlds worlds on, and it made it look like she was on the stage with her. So they sang together.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I don't get. It was like cgi. What was happening on stage? What was the projection?

[Cat]

Yeah, it's a projection of Hannah. Miley. Damn. It was a projection of Miley as Hannah singing with Miley. As Miley.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, I like that. That's kind of cool. That is cool. Oh, with the big, like, tongue slide. I just saw that on tick tock.

[Cat]

That was a pose. That was like. Yeah, that was giving you Montana.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's giving like, oh, fly down on a tongue. I was like, okay, different. I like that Miley too. I like Miley. Like, I've never gotten into the Stan era because I think. I think I'm a little older, but, like, I like her vibe. I like her. She always seems cool.

[Cat]

Yeah, she. She lost me when she got a little too cool. She was doing drugs and, like, being like just a cool, like, hipster girl. She kind of lost me because I was very, like, very. I'm a Taylor Swift girl, you know? So, like, I'm playing. I'm keeping it clean.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, like, seven things there. You didn't like?

[Cat]

No, I love seven things. Once she got to like, I even like bangers, but it Was post bangers when she got a little too raunchy for me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, what was she doing?

[Cat]

It was like. I think it was called deadpan. And I know the gays love deadpads. I'm so sorry. But it was like just very experimental. It was very like acid trippy. And that was just a little too much for me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Cat]

I'm kind of a straight edge kind of girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you're like, I don't want to be wild.

[Cat]

I'm like, our song is playing a screen door. Sneaking out late. Like, I'm that kind of girl, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

So is that Taylor? Miley Taylor. So the way you sang it was kind of Miley vibes. I was like, okay, got it.

[Cat]

So she kind of lost me there. But she's. She won me back.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love an edgy. I don't listen to it. But I love. I love energy.

[Cat]

Yeah. You probably would be more of like a dead pet.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Or someone gets like bad.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I like her new one too. The one she did the gram was the Grammys that she won for flowers. Yeah.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like her just like vibing.

[Cat]

So yeah, I live for her. I do live. I always have a special place in my heart for Miss Destiny. Hope Cyrus. Her government name.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I love that. Okay. Love that.

[Cat]

So we'll be there. Just Trish will be the official course.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Let us know how we can be. We love to be tied in. It sounds like a pretty epic, epic thing.

[Cat]

20 years. Like they have to go big.

[Trisha Paytas]

20 years is really. It's like black parade is 20 years. Miley Cyrus me on YouTube like the year graduation graduate high school. Barely.

[Cat]

I graduated eighth grade.

[Trisha Paytas]

So we would never even been in high school yet. That's when you know you're older. I always go if like, could we have been in high school together with the overlap. Yeah. Like a freshman senior year or something. But wow. You would have been eighth grade. Yeah. That makes me feel old. I always think we're the same age. You give older vibes.

[Cat]

You give younger vibes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Thanks. Yeah, thank you. I tried to be. Would love to be Gen Z. Weirdly

[Cat]

because all your references are from like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, like literally older than I am. Cuz I always date people in their like 60s. So I'm like kind of Grace.

[Cat]

Who you don't know. Like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but she just got a role. Right.

[Cat]

She just got Daphne in the live action Scooby Doo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. I was like, oh, that's kind of everything.

[Cat]

The most employed girl in Hollywood right now. Like, she's kind of unstoppable.

[Trisha Paytas]

I see her and then I think of you. I was like, oh, that's Oscar's face.

[Cat]

Another client.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Oscar]

Girl.

[Cat]

Team Oscar is the winning team, I'm telling you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you have. Have you gotten a flop yet? I'm trying to think. I don't think you have. You do love to bring up a JoJo. Not that she's a flop, but you do love to bring up a JoJo.

[Cat]

She's not a client. She's just in the news.

[Trisha Paytas]

You love her.

[Cat]

I mean, I don't even live. I mean, no, again, no offense. I don't know if I live for her like that. Like, I don't know if I'm a sea oneator, but we need to.

[Trisha Paytas]

And also, oh, we have to stop talking about JoJo. Because someone did a tick tock of like, Trisha's obsessed with Jojo. And I was like, okay, I'm done. Because I don't hate her love. In fact, I would say I mostly like. But I'm done because I don't want to be that person. And so I'm like, okay, no more for a while. For like a month. Even if she does something crazy. JoJo. No JoJo. Hot topics for a month.

[Oscar]

Get engaged and married next week.

[Trisha Paytas]

We can't talk about it because I thought, you know, you see one person being like, wow, she's upset. You're like, you know what? You're right. Maybe I do bring it up too much. But I play Moscow on Hot Topics.

[Cat]

No, I am a journalist doing my job. So, like, if someone's in the news, it is my duty to cover it. Like, what am I? I took an oath when I graduated Cal State University Northridge, and I got a bachelor's degree in the mail that's said bachelors of arts, whatever. Science, Art. I don't know. You don't know what you got? I don't even know. I never even opened my diploma. I'm so sorry. I didn't go to my graduate.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you mean? It's in the envelope still.

[Cat]

I don't even know where.

[Oscar]

Cuz nobody ever asked for it.

[Cat]

You know, crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

You get a degree and you don't have to like, show it, like, as like proof of something D like. No, but seeing school, we do love a college degree.

[Cat]

I just looked up McKenna Grace and then I. The. The video is you crying over, I think when you got.

[Trisha Paytas]

When I found I was pregnant. What is the meme? What's the.

[Cat]

The tweet is other actresses seeing McKenna Grace walk into the audition room for Daphne. Wait, why does it say up next and then you're pregnant down there?

[Trisha Paytas]

What? I'm so confused.

[Cat]

Do you see that? Oh, did you do that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, what is this? What are you on? What platform?

[Cat]

I was on Twitter and I looked up McKenna Grace and that was the first tweet.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, there's like a little scroll up on says like up next. And then I pop up just like a pregnant belly shirt. Maybe because I. I don't know.

[Cat]

I can't tell if someone just made that or like it's like a graphic.

[Oscar]

Looks like one of those. When they had those rogue Snapchat shows about you. It looks like one of those.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's always a meme. Happy to be in it.

[Cat]

I literally just looked up McKenna Grace. I was trying to find one tweet that was listing every franchise she's in. Cuz she's been in some many.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's crazy.

[Cat]

The Big Bang Theory, Marvel Universe, Scooby Doo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Cat]

Five Nights at Freddy, Hunger Games, Scream. Like, she's in so many franchises.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is actually insane.

[Cat]

It's like, yeah, she's very employed. Honey.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was my hot topic. Big Bang Theory. Oh, did you see Krup, the actor who played donated $45 million to families?

[Cat]

45 million.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I read. I was like, $45 million dollars. First of all, how much money do you have from Big Bang Theory? You didn't see it? Like, he's helping like random families, like GoFundMes and stuff like that. And he stored, I heard 45 million. Am I getting that wrong? 4.5 million. Maybe I got a decimal wrong. I don't know. I'm not great at math.

[Cat]

Well, no, his net worth is worth 45. His entire net worth. I don't know if he did all that, but yeah, I don't. He just says, yeah, he'll go through GoFundMe and pay a random family's medical bill. He said we support animals charities. And yeah, he'll just go through and donate on GoFundMe.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do that all the time on Tick Tock. If you're on Tick Tock and you have that sob story as a Tick tock, I am going to donate. I. And I love it. I love when you can like bring it over their threshold, but then you go back and check I brought up a threshold and then they up it and then like, fair enough. Like, I do, like do it for sure. But you always feel like, good. You're always like, I did it. Then you go Back. Oh, man. I didn't get over the threshold. You got them over one threshold, which is good. I admire him. I love this. I love him. What's the actor's name?

[Cat]

Kunal.

[Trisha Paytas]

N. Is he doing anything else? Is he current in production on IMDb and anything?

[Cat]

Let's see.

[Trisha Paytas]

He also would have been a Heathcliff. He would have been great. I love him. I love this actor so much. I really do. He doesn't give in the first few seasons of Big Bang Theory, but the end of Big Bang Theory, like the last few seasons, he's giving actor.

[Cat]

His last scene was called Christmas Karma. That was last year. Oh, no. Up Coming. Up Coming. He's in a movie called Patel and a movie called the up and Comer coming out later this year. So be seated for those two projects.

[Trisha Paytas]

I will. I. You know me, if I love an actor, I'm seated for everything they did, no matter what. But $45 million, like, do you. I guess you want to do something with your life. I'm like, why do you not act anymore if his net worth is 45 million?

[Cat]

I mean, Cuoco's still working so, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

She really is. She was just doing press for something. I like her. I want her.

[Cat]

I do like Kaylee Cuoco, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

On the show. She has said something so real about being a moment.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was it? I retweeted it. I was like, love this girl.

[Cat]

She's talking about, like, how people want to shame her because she lets her daughter use an iPad sometimes. She's like, I never go. I never would think to, like, comment on other people's parenting. It's so weird that people, like, yeah. Want to come and yell at me for when people.

[Oscar]

The first thing people comment on, the

[Trisha Paytas]

iPad thing is so crazy. I'm like, everyone just let. Do whatever the hell you want. It's very much. Kourtney Kardashian was like, you don't get a prize for not watching tv. When people are like, I would never let my kids do. I've had. Okay, don't care. Like, have them stare at a wall. Like, it's. This is crazy, too. Okay. One of my favorite. I. I feel like I'm saying her name wrong. She's one of my favorite influencers, but she never says her own name, you know, influencers video. Is that her name? Videa. She's. She's on. She's the one with the husband that's a lawyer, has the two kids. She calls him pukish. I think I'm saying her name wrong. But yeah, she, she, she's. I love her. She's like, comment on myself. She's everything. She did one where she talks about her family because they do like, caviar bumps. Like, they're a bougie family. Right, Whatever. But, like, she has two kids that are like 8 and 10 and she showed them, like, going on vacation and shake. When you're the parent that makes your kids read for an hour on the flight before, like, doing anything else. Everyone was trying to cancel her for, like, making her kids read. Like, they were like literally reading books and they're like, wow. Like, kids should be kids. Like, let them just enjoy their vacation time. I'm like, like, shouldn't you be excited that someone's like, making their kids read? Like, it was so wild how people just get mad at anything. So whether you have an iPad, whatever. But yeah, like, you just. I love Kaylee. She's so real. She's also the one about mom. Was it Andy Cohen that was like, what do you think about Ashley Tisdale and the toxic mom drama? She's like, do we need to write about it? Yeah, do we need to write about it? She kind of ate on that one too.

[Cat]

Because she also has like a mom group. I think that was the question. Like, as someone who has a mom group, like, what do you think?

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. Everyone has mom group. Because Carlos Romano has a mom group that went to Backstreet Boys. I was like, I need to be in a mom group.

[Cat]

I didn't know they were a thing. But that's fine.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's fun. I don't have one either.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe your sister in law, ask her.

[Cat]

Yeah, that's true. I should ask her if she has one. I have never heard of a mom group, to be honest. Every time I've. Yeah, yeah.

[Oscar]

Because basically, because a lot of, like when we take the kids to classes, you see them usually see like a cluster of moms.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And then you kind of hear like, they make plans. Like, yeah, so tomorrow at the mall, they're gonna have the reading and the next day the thing. So it's like coordinating events and things and especially at certain age, carpooling. Because I heard they also recruit. I hear them like, is your boy in soccer? Is your. You know, they try to get.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Oscar]

So there's all that. I think it's basically.

[Trisha Paytas]

We don't have that at ballet class.

[Oscar]

And she's too young. It's too little.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone just is on their phones. I watch, I watch mom. I love being there. Right in the window. Hi. Right Here they tell you not to. I think at age 5 are the school set out a thing and be like, actually, you can't watch from the window when your child's 5 years old. It distracts them. I'm like, oh, that's weird.

[Oscar]

Well, every year we see how they have a little bit more discipline.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right? So I guess that's really like, don't watch them. I'm just gonna watch. I think it helps. Helps sometimes. Like. Here I am. Anyways. Love that, love that. For Big Bang Theory, just so many wins. Kaylee Cuoco said she's not in a group chatty there. That she only talks to Johnny Glocky. I was like, that sucks. What about Howard? Sheldon probably is like, nope, none of you. I got a spin off. I don't need to talk to anybody. That was such a good show. I miss it. Warner Brothers.

[Cat]

Well, girl, they got two spin offs that you can be seated for.

[Trisha Paytas]

Honey, I don't know if I can get into it. I really can't. But maybe, maybe if I'm really desperate.

[Cat]

And another one on the way that. That what's his name? The comic book guys. The comic book store.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nobody wants that. Nobody wants that character.

[Cat]

Coco said she's gonna. Well, she hinted, strongly hinted that Penny will be in it. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was his name?

[Cat]

I don't even remember that man's name.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so sorry. Stewart.

[Cat]

That sounds right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And it's like all his character's always whiny. Didn't he end up dating, like, Howard's mom?

[Oscar]

Yeah, and I'm like, like living in.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I'm like, I don't like this character. No offense to the actor, the character. No, I don't care about anything else. It's Wuthering Heights quotes. Adaptation. Still in that mood, Moses?

[Cat]

Did you see the baby animal story?

[Oscar]

Baby animal?

[Cat]

That baby monkey.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, where's the baby?

[Cat]

This baby monkey.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ask Dr. Evan if he can bring a monkey next time we should. I want a baby monkey in here. What's the baby monkey story?

[Cat]

Well, it's kind of a. A God. I have to see how to pronounce this name. It's kind of a sad. It was sad, but happy ending, I suppose. There was this baby monkey that went viral because he was abandoned by his mother and his only friend was this, like, plush toy. He literally just goes around dragging this, like, monkey plush around because he has no mom. I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, that's so sad. He's in Japan. Is he in the wild?

[Cat]

No, no, no. He's under care. His Name is Punch. He's a macaque named Punch. He was born in the Ichikawa City Zoological and Botanical center in July. His mother rejected him after birth and he had to be hand raised by the zookeepers to survive. And without a mom, he. His only friend was this stuff orangutan toy that was given to him.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. It's so sad.

[Cat]

Keepers. And he would just drag it behind him. And that was the only company he had.

[Trisha Paytas]

How old is he?

[Cat]

He was born in July.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that's his like little like soothing. That's his little attachment.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Person.

[Cat]

I guess I was gonna say same age as Aquaman almost. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Friends. He was born Tarzan style.

[Cat]

He was born July 26, so he's a little young.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. A couple weeks after that was our original due date. Oh, they could be friends. That's cute.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Aquaman and Punch.

[Cat]

Yeah. That's actually a really great combination.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a good story. That's good.

[Cat]

Yes. Anyway, he went viral and now he. There's been some other macaques that are trying to befriend him now. And everyone's clocking these two. These two new macaques because like. Oh, the second. Yeah, the second. Punch gets a little cloud. You want to be. You want to be his friend?

[Trisha Paytas]

What about that mom? Is that mom coming back? Where's the mom?

[Cat]

She comes back around, actually.

[Trisha Paytas]

Punch, where is he at? Maybe they took him. Maybe they took him. Did they take him away from the mom? Did they separate him or. They just rescued him.

[Cat]

They said that the mom rejected him.

[Trisha Paytas]

But what does that mean? Mom's orig.

[Oscar]

She doesn't breastfeed. She doesn't care for him, just leaves him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe it hurt her. Did anyone check on the mom? Maybe she was going through postpartum. That's crazy. To be like. Well, she rejected him, so we're going to just take him. It's like. Well, sh. Was going through something. Something. Nipples hurt. Yeah. Where'd the dad go? Dad's just out.

[Cat]

That's true. The dad just.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Cat]

I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

Investigate more.

[Cat]

Yeah. You are asking the good follow up questions because that's kind of crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like all of a sudden he's in like a sanctuary, which is great. But also like, how did he.

[Cat]

Well, he was born in the sanctuary.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. So where's the mom? Did they keep her in a separate part of the sanctuary? Like, I don't understand. They let her go. Something sus. Something's fishy here. That's so sad. That actually makes me so sad.

[Cat]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Cat]

Yeah. So I went viral this past weekend, yet all of a sudden, now there's more monkey. More macaques that are trying to come in and be. Befriend him now, which is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you know what? I guess that's better than being alone for the rest of your life. He doesn't know. I don't think monkeys know cloud. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't think they get it.

[Oscar]

Pretty smart.

[Trisha Paytas]

They are smart. I don't think they're, like, reading the Internet, though, and off thumbs.

[Cat]

And also IKEA just donated a whole bunch of plush toys because I guess the stuffed orangutan was from Ikea, so they donated punch. Like 100 stuffed animals to play. But I'm like, I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

A little excessive. It's like Zayn Malik when he's like, I get 500 for a tooth. It's like, too much. We don't need to go. So excessive. That's so wild. You know, IKEA had a monkey scandal, didn't they? They had that little monkey. I remember that so well. I. Because whenever Elvis wears, like, Malibu's, like, jackets, she gives me, like, IKEA monkey nachos because she's, like, just so little.

[Cat]

The jacket's so big.

[Trisha Paytas]

The big is so big. I think I showed it to you for the first time in New York. I'm actually like, a little IKEA monkey in that thing because it's just like,

[Oscar]

maybe they're just trying to salvage their image.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ikea.

[Oscar]

Yeah. So when people look it up now, it will be this monkey instead of that one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, that monkey was cute, but I think that monkey was diabolical. I think that one was maybe, like, terrorizing ikea.

[Cat]

Was it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think it was, like, in a different. Different. No, like a different country. And I think it was, like, causing chaos. That's what I remember.

[Cat]

That little monkey in the jacket. Oh, also a maa.

[Trisha Paytas]

No way.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Cat]

Named Darwin.

[Oscar]

I'm telling you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Named Darwin.

[Cat]

The monkey escaped from a car leading to a 200, 240 fine from the owner, and Darwin was moved. I don't think Darwin did anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think, sure, he's, like, in the store, terrorizing. I think, like, he went in and was doing some things. Yes. I remember this, like, so vividly.

[Cat]

Oh, okay. Escaped in an IKEA car park in Toronto. I think he was just wearing the little jacket and he was just walking up. I don't think he terrorized that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so. Yeah. He just looked dubious.

[Cat]

I don't even think he looked dubious. I think he was just wearing the big sweater.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are you not seeing him peek about the window? There's like a little one of him, like, looking out the window. That's giving. Terrorizing, like, hiding. Like, why do you run out of the car? I think it's terrible. You know, swish, meatballs.

[Cat]

You get sued for slandering Darwin the IKEA monkey.

[Trisha Paytas]

Don't sue me.

[Cat]

I really don't think he did anything. All I see is him standing there in the big jacket. I don't see him doing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think he did something. But let us know in the comments below.

[Cat]

I think it's just the owner. Literally, like, just so sweet. Standing in front of the ikea.

[Trisha Paytas]

What? Oh, he's so tiny. How do you get the jacket on? Is that how he escaped or. He got it. I think, though, I thought he, like, stole a jacket. Okay, well, the owner had him clothes.

[Cat]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

He kept him warm.

[Cat]

Oh, my God. But yeah. You slandering the freaking Darwin. That is so sad.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a hot topic, Darwinism. Do you believe in it?

[Oscar]

Yeah,

[Cat]

like survival of the fittest. Like adaptation, Evolution? Yeah. Do I believe in evolution?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Cat]

Yes.

[Oscar]

Well.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, yes, but do you think we came from, like, monkeys? Do you know when they're like, cavemen and then they're like, you know, they're monkeys? Yeah.

[Cat]

I 100 believe in evolution.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Cat]

And speciation. I believe in all of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Speciation? Yes. I took one. This is the one college class I took. And I remember they're talking about Darwinism. And I was like, this sounds kind of insane class. I think so. And it sounded insane to me. I can't remember all the teachings, but

[Cat]

I remember being like, I can't remember

[Trisha Paytas]

all the teachings in my two weeks that I was there.

[Cat]

What? Well, how would you define Darwinism?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, how you said, like, the evolution of, like. Right. Survival of the fittest.

[Cat]

Okay, well, you just. The weakest words.

[Trisha Paytas]

I said the weakest links get, like, out. I went describe Charles Darwin as a scientist who just came up with something to, like, make sense. It's like the Bible, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John just making up stuff.

[Cat]

I think he had scientific findings, context clues.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because you weren't there when Adam Neves started. You weren't there when the first, like, woolly mammoths were walking. You know what I mean? They acted like he knew.

[Cat]

Well, I think Darwin in particular, like, he was on the Galapagos island and it was like a kind of a speciation thing where depending on the living

[Trisha Paytas]

things, Darwin was on Galapagos Island. I thought, no, I thought there was no humans. No one was living there. Galapagos Island. No one lives in the Galapagos.

[Cat]

Studying animals on the Galapagos by himself.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know who's us to me. He's like, oh, no one's at the Galapagos Islands. No one lives there. But I'm gonna go and I'm gonna discover all these things and tell you guys how we all came to be. You know what I mean? And it's like, I don't know if

[Cat]

it was how we all came to be, but it was like that. Like, it's like speciation. Like depending on the. The animal's habitat, it would evolve to survive in said habitat. So like in the Galapagos there'd be animals that would survive for that environment.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did a whole speech on the Globos in high school. I knew no one lived there because it was like, is it like too hot or some. It's like there's giant turtles there. But like, no one can live on the Galapagos Islands. But they did like, I remember like researching, like, but they do take like visa, like, so I was like, oh, someone gets goes there. I remember so specifically in high school giving this speech about the Galapagos.

[Cat]

What was the point you were trying to make?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's just like one of those stupid assignments where they're like, just let us know about the global silence. And I was like, here you go. Like, you just like research it. You go to library, write some down.

[Oscar]

Title and name.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it literally was that. I was like, here's the facts. Like, yeah. And there was no, like, yeah. There was no argument, no nothing. And I was like, this was stupid.

[Cat]

I'm a little nervous.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. I don't know. Probably. Nay. I went to a. Yeah, I don't know either. It was weird. You remember, didn't you ever do that where they just have give you like random countries and you're going to like talk about this country?

[Cat]

I remember I had to do a state project. I had to do a project on my state that I got assigned was in Nebraska. And that was a tough. That was a tough sell. But yeah, no offense.

[Trisha Paytas]

And what, what did you learn about Nebraska?

[Cat]

God, I think, I think the state bird was some. It was a red. A cardinal maybe. It was red.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, Sounds familiar.

[Oscar]

Corn.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think they definitely do have some corn.

[Cat]

So there wasn't much to work with.

[Trisha Paytas]

But Nebraska's a crazy one that'd be assigned. Nebraska has nothing. I remember you knew someone that lived in Nebraska. I was like, there's nothing there. That seems like purgatory.

[Cat]

Nebraska viewers, I don't think we have any.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've never once been proposed to go to tour there. Book signings, colleges. I. I don't think anything is happening in Nebraska. No offense. As someone from Illinois. I'm from the cornfields of Illinois, and there's nothing happening. I'm from Pecatonica, Illinois, and there's definitely nothing happening there. So

[Cat]

I wish Dr. Evan was here to talk to you about speciation, Darwinism.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would love to hear his thoughts. Did we come from monkeys, do you know? Which I'm talking about is the evolution. It's like a gorilla, and then it's like a caveman, and then it's like you're standing upright all of a sudden.

[Cat]

Yes, the evolution.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if I buy it, but maybe we should take a trip to the Bray Tarpits.

[Cat]

I thought you're gonna say Galapagos Islands.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you can't go there. Well, I think you can go there.

[Cat]

You can get a Visa.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you can. They accept Visa. I remember that. Visa. MasterCard, it said.

[Cat]

And I was like, they have credit cards over there. Yeah, but no one lives there. No one can shop.

[Oscar]

It's just a gift shop. That's it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe no one. Yeah, I don't know. That's a. That's a good question. I didn't research that enough. But maybe our next field trip should be La Brea Tar pits after our Olympic games. I love the tarpits. They were free too. They were so fun. Shake the girls there. It's just so far. It's so far.

[Cat]

And what do you learn at the tar pits?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, you just learn evolution, Darwinism. The woolly mammoths. You can see where we started.

[Cat]

We. I don't think we started from woolly mammoths.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where did we start from? Who's the first species?

[Cat]

I think we all started from, like, one kind of cell, Right. And then we kind of evolved from there.

[Trisha Paytas]

And so where'd the cell come from?

[Cat]

From the big bang, I think is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Big bang theory. The whole universe was just a hot, dense space until 13 million years ago expansion started. Wait. The Earth began to clone? The autos began to grow the ans. They built the wall. They built the wall they built the pyramids Mass science, history, unraveling the mystery that all started with a big bang. I believe it actually came all the

[Cat]

way back, honestly, because of the people.

[Trisha Paytas]

They talked about Neanderthals in There. Didn't I say that? And that. What I just said, I think I said Neanderthal. Anyways, you're right. Big bang. It's all the same. God created the world on the seventh day, Pooh. There was light. That's Big bang. That's everything. It's all the same, everybody.

[Cat]

It is. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's it. That's all you got to know. No need to argue with anybody. Just call it what you want to call it.

[Cat]

That's kind of the tea on creation,

[Trisha Paytas]

and that's the team. And that's what you tuned in for today. Those hot topics are as hot as global warming. There we go. All around. That's it.

[Cat]

Well, I had Addison Ray, but it's kind of a sad one to end on. No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I didn't hear any Addison Ray, but maybe we shouldn't. That was such a good ending.

[Cat]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. What happened?

[Cat]

Her dad was arrested. Oh, you didn't hear about this?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Cat]

He was exposing himself.

[Trisha Paytas]

Monty.

[Cat]

Yes.

[Oscar]

To who and where he was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was.

[Cat]

It just came out from via TMZ yesterday through court documents. But it happened in July. He was charged with a felony obscenity for allegedly exposing himself in Louisiana. And he. The quote is exposing his genitals. Pubic hair in a public place or place open. A public view from the document. And I guess these documents came out because her mom was trying to file for custody over her brother.

[Trisha Paytas]

How old her brother? I always thought they were, like, older. I thought they were all, like, adults now.

[Cat]

The young. Yeah. The youngest is 13 years old.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. I didn't know she had such a young. Oh, that's sad. Oh, my God. Yes. Probably should give full custody to that mother. That's sad. I mean, I feel like Addison's distanced herself from her parents for a while because they were being embarrassing.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's like, I think, like, you give grace to people in their teens, their 20s, maybe even their 30s. I think when you're, like, Like, a grown person with kids, it's like, do better for your kids. Especially when you're on Tick Tock. That's sad.

[Cat]

In one of her lyrics, she talks about, like, how she, like, doesn't want to end up like her father, too. And, like, on her album. Yeah. It is kind of. It is sad. And also, like, this getting. Becoming so public, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. That kind of family drama. It sucks because it's like. I don't know, like, what was the headline? Addison's Ray Dad. Like. Yeah. And it's like, I don't want to Be a social. Like, she's distanced herself for a long time, so I'm sure that's why she, like, doesn't give interviewers and talk. Like, doesn't. Because they were marketed so much as, like, a family. Like the d', Amelios, Addison Ray. I just remember them getting, like, brand deals. I mean, I think I knew you when that was happening. Like, raising canes, and it was like the family eating, raising canes, and all the kids were involved. The mom had one, and then he had one. And then. Yeah, I went to. When they ended up separating and divorcing, they. They went off the deep end. The parents, like, everyone seemed so wholesome stuff. It's like, at that point, just get offline. Because didn't the mom, like, go to the VMAs with, like, young gravy or something? It was just like. Like, stop. Your daughter is such a mega superstar, and she was a mega superstar back then. It's like, that's.

[Oscar]

I was gonna say she was the successful one, and she was basically helping them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Like, here, let me give you what, everything that I have, and just be smart about it. Be nice about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Obviously, he has some issues because he was dating, like, young girls, like, in their 20s, and you're just like, you're so embarrassing. And then the girls go on tick tock and be like, Addison Ray's dad, and she should sue him. Be like, don't all these.

[Cat]

Change your name. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the press people do, like, don't put Addison Rate. Like, get emancipated or something. And be like, no, I don't want this. Especially, like, you're a Grammy nominee. You're doing all this crazy. Yeah, he's. Well, he obviously has some issues, so hopefully the mom gets full custody, because that's crazy. Like, if your dad's exposing himself, probably shouldn't have custody at the time.

[Cat]

Yeah. In my opinion, I felt for her, too. That's why, like, people got to be a little bit nicer to Addison Rae. Like, she, like, having all those, like, kind of family problems too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Aired out.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And still airing out when you're just trying to make a name for yourself and doing so well. Like, she's so unproblematic, and she always has been. So it's like, why are you guys doing this? Be messy. Behind closed doors, like, the family. No. Like, when they got divorced, whatever. Just. Okay, stay. Stay offline then. Like, don't be. Don't be messy in front of. Take a page out of Kim Kardashian's. Book. Just, you know, smile and just be respectful on social media. Don't be messy and in public, don't expose yourself. Keep that thing inside your pants. Especially when you're like 50. Oh, my God. But sounds like a result of something else maybe happening. Alcohol or something. I don't know. That sad just happened.

[Cat]

It just came out yesterday. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right. That's sad. Well, survival of the fittest, Monty. I don't know if we're gonna. We're gonna last. I guess. He did reproduce. It's the hot work. I don't even know how it works. Darwinism.

[Cat]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Louisiana. Might not last if you have Monty Lopez there exposing himself. Damn, that's so sad. I know one thing about my parents. I will say, like, no one's perfect. Families aren't perfect. But. But they never embarrassed me. You know what I mean? They never been out there just. And they could. My mom's got a platform. She could have. You know what I mean? But they keep it cute because their parents.

[Cat]

She didn't leak her company card. But that's another story.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is another story resolved. But that was a. Just a. A slight of judgment.

[Cat]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or just not knowing. Very mean. Because you know what you used to. With those cards. Cards back in the day. Used to have the number on the front.

[Cat]

Yes. And now they're in the back.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're now in the back. So I'm always used to like flipping it over to like when we're at like a restaurant, always flip it over and I'm like, oh, that's the smart. Now that they're in the back. Cuz it was always up front. You're like, what the. Like, anyone can see it. So we love it. Never out of malice or weirdness. Don't embarrass your kids. Everybody, once you have those kids, just stop. Stop. Logan. Paul forgot.

[Cat]

He's a.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know. Right.

[Cat]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just. Just try to do what's best in their best interest. Because it's forever. Can't erase the past. You can only start now. Start now. Never too late. All right, let us know if you believe in evolution and Darwinism.

[Cat]

Moses.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't have anything to say about it. Real quick.

[Oscar]

Quick. Yeah, that's something. That's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay.

[Oscar]

You want to delve for like a. A hour long, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, he probably has a lecture on if you go to Channel water. He has lectures on everything. My dad will bring up something, and I'm like, I think Moses talked about that. Oh, I think my dad asked me, like, what is time? Like, what's the structure of time? Like, how do you define time? And I was like, wait, I think Moses literally has a video called what is time? And he did. From like 2020 or something. He's like, what is time? And it was an hour long video. Moses left the room. He was embarrassed. But my dad was so into it.

[Oscar]

Not embarrassed. I just didn't want to sit there and listen to lecture.

[Trisha Paytas]

You wrote it. It was so good.

[Oscar]

You could have asked me. I would tell him you were there.

[Trisha Paytas]

You could have may. I was so into it because you explained it. And he was like, my dad felt, like, connected because he thought he had the same answer. He's like, I think I had that answer too.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I think I have a video somewhere. The way I defined it was the evolution of creation.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you have a video?

[Oscar]

Of course.

[Trisha Paytas]

Link it below, Jimmy. I'll link that video. I need to know. Oh, I didn't know that. Wow. We had a resident expert here and we're just.

[Cat]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Us.

[Oscar]

Look, I'm not gonna ruin your, you know, gravity moment, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

My gravity. Okay, that's it. We love you. Love you, Jimmy. Hope you're well. We gotta keep Get Blonde Sondell forum day alive. Jimmy, we gotta really make this vlog epic. No pressure. Check out Oscar Gracie's vlog. And check out Moses's evolution video. Sounds like a doozy. Love you guys. See you soon. Bye.