James Charles Faces Disturbing New Allegations & Kim Kardashian Kaught Kopying Trisha

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Just Trish Podcast – Detailed Episode Summary

Podcast: Just Trish
Episode: James Charles Faces Disturbing New Allegations & Kim Kardashian Kaught Kopying Trisha
Date: December 6, 2025
Hosts: Trisha Paytas, Oscar Gracey, special guest Moses Hacmon

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Overview

This episode of Just Trish delves into several hot-button topics from the worlds of internet drama and pop culture. Trisha, Oscar, and Moses tackle disturbing new allegations against James Charles, speculate about Kim Kardashian potentially copying Trisha’s iconic "Trishmas" branding, and weave through trending discussions in movies, TV, and social commentary. Their trademark unfiltered banter mixes humor, honesty, and some heartfelt moments.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. "Trishmas" Recap and Live Shows

• The hosts bask in the afterglow of their recent Trishmas shows, sharing stories about their loyal fans (01:28–04:55).
• Moses makes his debut as a show opener, leading to playful banter about possible hologram performances and future appearances (04:55–05:26).

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2. Tarte Influencer Trips & Hologram Invites

• Talk about influencer marketing: Tarte cosmetics’ extravagant hologram-based invitations become a focal point (05:31–06:32).
• Trisha jokes about FOMO after not being invited, and they discuss who's "in" and "out" in influencer circles (05:56–06:52).

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3. Hollywood Chatter: Euphoria, Identity Thief, and Superhero Gigs

• The conversation drifts to Hollywood behind-the-scenes, green screens, and cameo stories, including Marvel's Multiverse of Madness and dream villain roles (07:10–11:30).
• “I would love to be a villain. Like a campy, Melissa McCarthy villain.” — Moses Hacmon (09:37)

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4. Pop Culture and Oscars – What Makes a ‘Top 4’ Movie?

• Letterboxd “Top 4” movies: The hosts poke fun at trying to be cinematic snobs versus just loving comfort movies, mentioning everything from Screen of Rock and Parasite to X-Men (21:19–25:58).
• Notable quote: “Easy. A. Oh, X2. X Men United. Hunger Games Catching Fire. X Men. Days of Future Past.” — Trisha, listing “basic” faves (21:45)
• They discuss how tastes change and the pressure to seem sophisticated in the film industry (21:25–25:15).

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5. Kim Kardashian Accused of Copying "Trishmas"

• A major segment focuses on Kim Kardashian’s new "Kim’s Miss" event, accused of being a blatant copy of Trisha’s "Trishmas" (34:05–37:52).
• Moses and Oscar express disbelief (“Kim Smith, like her Christmas live. It looks the same. It’s exactly the same.” — Oscar, 34:28).
• They playfully debate if anyone can truly “own” internet holiday branding, suggest Kim should rebrand to “Skims Miss,” and laugh about the pervasiveness of trend “borrowing” in the influencer world.

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6. Viral Culture, Fame, and Social Media Paranoia

• The team discuss pets in theaters in China for Zootopia 2 and the international hype for the movie (26:16–28:56).
• They make light of Hollywood’s mood-board culture, noting how often Trisha has been used as an “inspo” on creative teams (42:23–43:17).

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7. Internet, Robots, and The Automation of Everything

• A digression on self-driving cars, robot food delivery, and digital hotel keys, with Trisha venting her (joking) hostility toward delivery bots (44:37–47:31).
• “I almost want to kick them. I’m like, what are you guys doing?” — Trisha on robot food carriers (46:01)

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8. Heated Rivalry: Gay Romance on TV & Who Gets to Play Queer Roles

• Deep-dive into the new steamy gay hockey show "Heated Rivalry" on Max/Crave, and discussions about authenticity and representation in queer casting (69:43–78:21).
• They analyze the difference between shows written/directed by women and men, and the conversation around whether straight actors should play gay roles.
• Quote: “I do think they should get priority [gay actors], but I don’t think you should put a gay that doesn’t fit the role just because they’re gay.” — Trisha (74:50)
• Speculate on the need for a period piece gay version of "Bridgerton."

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9. James Charles Faces New Allegations

• The episode’s most serious segment, covering fresh allegations that James Charles made sexual advances towards a then 14-year-old (139:05–150:41).
• Trisha carefully reports the TikTok whistleblower’s claim, outlining attempted legal action, past attempts to come forward, and the mixed reception online.
• Moses: “The age is like being so young… if this is true, it makes him even more awful in my eyes.” (147:00–149:22)
• Emphasize support for victims and the difficulty of being heard, referencing online abuse, platforming, and the need for justice.

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10. Mental Health, Internet Hate, and the Cycles of Fame

• Reflecting on Gabbie Hanna’s private wedding and growth after tumultuous mental health episodes, Trisha and Moses get real about instability, self-exploitation, and hope (122:12–125:36).
• Parallels to Bobby Althoff’s experience dealing with sudden mainstream fame and internet vitriol, especially misogyny from new “bro” audiences, and the importance of maintaining one’s core support system (127:42–135:41).
• Notable Moment: “Just having that, like, peace… As opposed to, like, the past. It was just like, I didn’t know what the day was gonna bring…” — Moses on mental health recovery (123:25)

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11. Hot Takes on Pop Gossip: Name Changes and Representation

• Chat about Millie Bobby Brown’s and Ashley Tisdale’s last name changes, why branding matters, and iconic celebrity names (95:32–97:53).
• The power of stage names in Hollywood and legacy, with Trisha giving her opinion on when to keep or change your name professionally.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Kim’s Miss Copying Trishmas:
  “Kim Kardashian is doing a Kim’s Miss. It’s exactly the same... down to the cartoon character.” — Oscar (34:28)

• On Movie Elitism:
  “I just can’t with the three, like, the really artistic film... My Letterboxd would just be Easy A and Hunger Games.” — Trisha (21:43)

• On Robots Stealing Jobs:
  “I want to shove them. Is that vandalism?” — Trisha on robot food delivery (46:44)

• On Gay Representation in TV:
  “There’s amazing gay actors... I do think they should get priority, but I don’t think you should put, like, a gay that doesn’t fit the role just because they’re gay.” — Trisha (74:50)

• On James Charles Allegations:
  “So now he’s been sharing this on TikTok... providing more context and receipts to back up his claims a little bit.” — Trisha (143:18)

• On Mental Health Recovery:
  “That’s the thing I’m most grateful for, is like, stability... now I know I can take anything.” — Moses (123:25)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trishmas Live Show Recap: 01:28–05:26
• Tarte Hologram Invites: 05:31–06:52
• Movie Industry Gossip & Oscars: 21:19–25:58
• Kim Kardashian vs. Trishmas: 34:05–37:52
• Zootopia 2/Pets in China: 26:16–28:56
• Robots & Food Delivery: 44:37–47:31
• "Heated Rivalry" and Queer Casting: 69:43–78:21
• James Charles Abuse Allegations (detailed segment): 139:05–150:41
• Mental Health and Influence Recovery: 122:12–125:36

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Tone & Style

• Casual, irreverent, brutally honest, pop-savvy, but with sudden turns into empathy and seriousness.
• Typical Trisha: alternating between meme-queen energy, pop culture expertise, and raw personal reflection.
• Oscar and Moses provide dry wit, fact-checking, and playful skepticism.
• Sensitive issues discussed matter-of-factly, with repeated caveats about allegations, legal ramifications, and “innocent until proven guilty”—especially in the James Charles segment.

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Conclusion

From the giddy gossip of internet copycatting to the sobering realities of abuse allegations and the grind of maintaining mental health in the public eye, this episode is quintessential Just Trish. The hosts blend chaotic pop banter with sincere advocacy for truth and healing, leaving listeners entertained, informed, and ready to question what they see online.

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Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

People in China bringing their pets into the theater to watch Utopia and I'm like, so fun.

[Moses Hacmon]

I kind of want to move to China. I do. I know I have a lot of lawyers that come to Trishmas, so I always tell them I'll get their pets.

[Trisha Paytas]

Guess who sponsors us a lot?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, Morgan. For the people. Yeah, not today, but you can still go to them. I'm going to be hitting pound law if James Charles come for us.

Her name is Trish. She's got the.

Hello and merry Trishmas, y'.

[Trisha Paytas]

All.

[Moses Hacmon]

We had our first show of Trishmas down. Trishma sing season is in full bloom. I was getting my voice back and now it's gone again. I don't know what's happening, but I guess I'm talking way too much these days.

[Oscar Crave]

Which we non stop. For the last.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, for the last. Like, what is it, 72 hours? I think literally 4am to midnight every day. Like, it's actually kind of crazy. But I love it. I really do love it. Like, there's never been a time in my life where I've gotten more, like work, so I'm just taking it off.

[Oscar Crave]

It's a blessing.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's a blessing. I will never say I'm tired because you're like, aren't you tired? Do this. I'm like, nope. Love it, love it. And I do, I do love it. But it's been nonstop. Trishmas continues. My little baby show. This is so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because it is.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, I'm doing so much stuff right now, so getting to do Trishmas does feel like a little vacation. It's like a little world of Trish where everyone comes together and it just. It feels nostalgic. Even though the tour was just this year, it feels like reminiscing. Like all the same faces. Shout out to Ben Verde. Got you some cookies. Yes, there's cookies of you and me. That is so sweet. There's some brownies here. Me and Ben.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's amazing. Thank you. Ben Verde.

[Moses Hacmon]

Ben Verde. Yes.

[Oscar Crave]

And he brought us special buckets you're gonna show on Patreon.

[Moses Hacmon]

Patreon. He got you. I know. I guess we should have showed it here.

[Oscar Crave]

Oscar might like to see it plug into Patreon, though.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's a cute bucket. He got you a cute bucket.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's so sweet.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. So thank you, Ben. We saw all the usual faces. We're gonna be at Thousand Oaks in San Francisco this weekend. Come see us. Oscar Crave.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everybody's there. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And we love Oscar Crave. But what's so funny is literally everyone calls him Oscar.

[Oscar Crave]

Remember, Nas is like, oh, Oscar asked.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me to be on his podcast. Oscar has a podcast. I think my own dad, I think he now knows that you are the Oscar. He's seen you enough since then. But everyone does assume his name is Oscar. And I'm like, well, he has a crave. Oscar. Crave. We had Bunchy. Bunchy has come many times. She has these new labubus that are so cute. She got me, like, there's new, like, look. There's new. They look like labubus, but they're not. They have, like, glittery, watery eyes. Have you seen them?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

They, like, moves around. There's, like liquid in the eyeballs, and they look like it. And then she gets them from Pop Mart.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's on the cutting edge of fashion. Every time I see her, she looks very cool. She always wears every year to Trish, Miss. Only been two so far. But every show, she wears the Balenciaga shirt she got from Poshmark. It's by Balenciaga, I think. Unless she made it. Maybe she made it. Maybe it's mine. I don't know.

[Oscar Crave]

No, she looks like the original.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, really?

[Oscar Crave]

But we saw her more than just two times. She's been two more shows in the same shirt. I just remember her seeing her in a few more shows.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe Bunchy. Who else do we see? We saw Danielle. Oh, Daniel. How could I forget Daniel. Daniel. Daniel's the best coming to opening of every show. He's wonderful. Ashton Gaylor is. He's. He's been. He's been coming to all of them. He gets the highest definition videos from the front row. Like, and they get like, one of them had, like, a million views. Me as, like, sad boy. And then like, us, our duet had, like, half a million.

[Oscar Crave]

Oh, really?

[Moses Hacmon]

His quality looks like a pro shot.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wouldn't be using. I know it's not an iPhone, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

That's a good question, right? He has, like, a red in there. Like, what is it? Yeah, I think he's coming to another show, so I'm gonna ask him. But I love the. I love that. I love the content. Cause I get none, so that's great. So, yeah, we had. Wait, who else? I feel like we saw more repeat.

[Oscar Crave]

The girl with the glasses.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, Cara. I love her. And Autumn Squarepants brought her daughter. Nova was 5 years old. That was very exciting.

And there's so many. It's so cool. It's so cool to just see, like, people come back that's the nicest thing because my show is just like, after doing Beetlejuice, which has, like, a bajillion dollars behind it, and literally people like dressing you. And I set person. Each prop person has, like, a handler. And it's like going from such a big production to my little trishmas. I'm just happy people come back. So thank you guys so much. I love doing it. I will be opening Sad Boy. No. Sad. Sad Boy will be opening on December 5th. Our last sad Boy show. You guys go see it. I might have another special surprise performer at Thousand Oaks too. So we'll see what that was. Oh, Moses made his debut.

[Oscar Crave]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ate that up.

[Moses Hacmon]

Performing. Did you see a clip?

[Trisha Paytas]

I sure did. Don't you worry.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Kind of crushed it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I guess you could also be an opener for Sad Boy as well.

[Oscar Crave]

We play one song and one tech.

[Moses Hacmon]

The song and dance. I know. I don't know what I'm going to do on the road without you.

[Oscar Crave]

I know it's hard when we're not together and you travel, but. Yeah, but that was fun. That was fun. I was surprised you had fun. Yeah. I was surprised that we did so well.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it was very good.

[Trisha Paytas]

We should record a little hologram or.

[Oscar Crave]

Something, you know, to travel with you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. We do not have that budget.

[Oscar Crave]

What are we.

[Moses Hacmon]

Tarte Tripping with Tarte has sent out the invite. Did you see?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. Maureen, which we love. We stand. Maureen, I don't know about these tarte trips. I'm still. I can love Maureen. I can love Tarte. I don't know about these hard trips, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hey, separate the art from the artist.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're doing something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Separate the art from the artist.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's so good. Actually, she has sent out the invites for the trip.

[Trisha Paytas]

And they were holograms?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. In their houses. Yeah. The Kris Jenner, Howie Mandel thing that they were in those little, like, tubes. Yes. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Moses Hacmon]

You didn't see this? No. Everyone got their invite. She popped up in people's houses.

[Trisha Paytas]

No way.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was the invite.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is bananas.

[Moses Hacmon]

We didn't get one again. Damn it. I really thought. I really thought maybe this year was.

[Oscar Crave]

But is it like the vending machine that came to our house and they took it back?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think so.

[Oscar Crave]

I think there's no way they left it there.

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

What are they going to do with a hologram machine in their house?

I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I didn't get one. I don't know. But, yeah, that Is the triple.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who have been the invitees that you've seen?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. I just thought on Tart's actual thing, like, everyone got holograms.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I'm so curious.

[Moses Hacmon]

I want to know, too. I do know where they're going, but I don't know if I'm at liberty to say.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Work. Hannah gave me some inside.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was Hannah invited?

[Moses Hacmon]

She was invited. Oh, I don't know if she's going.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Has not been accepted nor declined yet. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's busy. She's busy even for, like, Thousand Oaks. I know. She was just, like. She has pretty cool plans. I don't. I don't want to say anything because I don't want to spoil anything because everything's in such real time, but she does have pretty good. She's a busy girl. She is very.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is she an HBO show or something like you? Is she Euphoria as well?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, she's actually shooting that. Pick up shots.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's her and in the strip club or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that actually would be. That actually be good. I wonder who else is gonna be in Euphoria. Like, I feel like there's a lot of cast that they haven't announced.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I feel like you want to keep some surprises, right? I feel like there'll be some. Just probably not.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like Euphoria is just spilling it all. They're like, no more surprises. Yeah, I'm really. I'm really curious to know who else.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. All of a sudden you'll have so many, like, crazy co stars, people that you weren't even, like, on set with. They'll just be, like, sharing a scene with very, like, Avengers. Because I feel like they don't even really know who they're shooting with because it's. Were you in, like, in a green screen or something?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I can confirm myself in a green screen. But that would be everything. If, like, other characters came in. Do they do that often? Like, shoot with other actors that are not together?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, with Marvel movies in particular, because they do so many, like, reshoots and stuff. Like, an example is Elizabeth Olsen when she was doing her movie, and they added all these, like, characters, and they would ask her, like, oh, what was it like to work with, like, John Krasinski and stuff? And she was like, I don't know. When I shot it, I had no idea who I was fighting against. I was just in that green screen.

[Moses Hacmon]

And were they fighting? What are they fighting, like, a stick?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Other actors, like, in the Costume.

[Trisha Paytas]

She said there were another actor. She was just. Yeah. And they're by herself. And then they added them in later Marvel movie. He's in Multiverse of Madness.

[Moses Hacmon]

What does he play?

[Trisha Paytas]

He's Reed Richards. Reed Richards. Mr. Fantastic. And then Pedro Pascal ended up taking the role for. For Realsies.

[Moses Hacmon]

But so it was just like, a little bit part.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was. Yeah, it was a cameo as, like, a version of that character that Elizabeth Olsen's character turned into spaghetti. It's a long story.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I like that. That's kind of cool. And he just stays at spaghetti. Doesn't get to go back to his form.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. He's done, like, he dies. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why did he get turned into spaghetti and not, like, dust?

[Trisha Paytas]

Because his thing is that he stretches and then he tries to stretch to stop Elizabeth Olsen, and she just turns him into spaghetti. She's like, you want to come use your little elastic powers over here? And then she goes, she's a mother to me. She goes, do your children have their mother? And then she. He says, yes. And then she kills him. Because, like. Okay, your kids aren't going to be parentless. So I can kill you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my gosh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yep.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can see you in a role.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like that, turning into spaghetti.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would like to see you as, like, a villain. Like, play a villain.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me and Jason Momoa in Supergirl. What's he in? Is he a Supergirl? Yeah. Yeah, we'll be villains.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I would love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think so. I think all my roles lately have been.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I don't want you to get. To get, like, put in a box of, like, the Good Girl.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's where I'm being typecasted as, for sure. Wait till you see all my projects coming up. I'm just the good girl next door. I would love to be a villain. I would love to be, like, a fun villain. Like Campy. Yes. Like, I always go back to this movie. I love it so much. It's my favorite movie of the year, which. It didn't come out this year, but it's a favorite movie we watched this year, and that's Melissa McCarthy in. What's the Jason Bateman one?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, Pam or Tammy.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, it's. It's. No, no, it's. Neither of those. It's the one, the Fraud.

[Oscar Crave]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought that was Tammy. No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is it? No, I feel like Tammy's a different one, but it's kind of same characters. Identity thief.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But what was her name and identity?

[Trisha Paytas]

Let me see.

[Moses Hacmon]

She had a lot of Names. Oh, it was like, his name. What would.

[Oscar Crave]

She stole his identity.

[Moses Hacmon]

She never had a real name. She kept changing her name.

[Oscar Crave]

Eventually she told him her name, but it was something. What was his name?

[Moses Hacmon]

Because it was, like, a girl name. Was it Katie or something?

[Oscar Crave]

No, I need to know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Her name was Diana.

[Moses Hacmon]

What was his name?

[Trisha Paytas]

Sandy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Sandy. I was so close. I love it so much. I had to run the other day for something, and I literally was thinking, that's what I look like when. Like, when she ran, and then she was, like, going so slow, and then he just, like, ran past her. That was me. Every time I had run, I, like, could not run. And I think people thought I was trying to be funny, and I was like, actually can't run. Anyways, she kind of plays a villain a little bit in that movie, but then she ends up being like, okay, yeah, I mean, she did steal everyone's identity, but then she's kind of sweet. I don't know. I would like to be a villain like that. I am thinking I need to get into, like, the horror movie world of acting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because I think that's all that's being made these days.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think I need to turn everything I do into a horror something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Work. You just have to stop saying, I hate horror films.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love.

[Oscar Crave]

No, but I think they like that. I think the directors would like to terrify you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh.

[Oscar Crave]

You know what I mean? Like, I think that's part of the. Okay, well, when you're acting, you don't even have to worry about it. You'll be terrified.

[Moses Hacmon]

Terrified of everything. I really do. I get scared of literally Moses in the house. I would. I really do. I. I heard that welcome to Dairy was number one on Max.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. It's doing pretty well.

[Moses Hacmon]

Someone told me the opening scene in the pilot episode. Yeah. Where, like, the children fall out of the crotch. Is that right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy. Like, that scene alone, I'm like, absolutely not.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you mean? The opening. The. In the pilot episode, the opening scene and the end scene are very gruesome with kids, which is wild because usually kids are, like, safe. You know, like, if you see a kid or, like, a dog or something, like, nothing's gonna happen to him. Like, that's the trope in horror movies. But now. Yeah. Well, in weapons, they were, like, not physically harmed, at least.

[Moses Hacmon]

What about Five Nights at Freddy?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, T. Yeah. Yeah. You got me there. I feel like in welcome to Dairy, they show the kids just.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, do we need that?

[Trisha Paytas]

The Kids seem to be having fun. They're doing TikTok dances and stuff on the set. They look cute.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, they're telling them, do that. Do it. Look happy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Go do it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Oh, for sure. They're telling Bill Skarsgard, get over there. Do a little dairy. Yeah. Like, actually. Oh, no, no, I can't do it. But I'll do it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Because I think there's gonna be another season of welcome to Derry. And it's a period piece, and I feel like you would thrive in a period piece. I think it's the 1800s.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, didn't they do that in the movie? They do flashbacks to, like, when he's.

[Trisha Paytas]

A person or something. Yeah. So.

This season is the 1950s, and then the next one's supposed to be, like, the 1800s.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Escape the Night Nachos. Just different eras.

[Trisha Paytas]

Escape the Night Nachos. You're right about that.

[Moses Hacmon]

What is it supposed to be? He's a person. He's a dead person.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, it gets very fantastical. Okay. He is an entity that fell from an asteroid in space and the asteroid crashed into this Native American land that ended up being turned into the town of Derry.

[Moses Hacmon]

And he just haunts this town or what?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yep, yep. And it's like. I forget how many years. It's like every 20 something years he comes out to feed and then.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, but what does he do? He, like, keeps it down, safe. Like, what's he do the other 19 years? Like, why does he need to feed?

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess he just stays in sewers. Maybe hibernation. I don't know if that's ever.

[Moses Hacmon]

So he doesn't do anything. There's no benefit.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, to, like, the town killing people?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, he comes out to feed because he has to stay alive. Why does he have to stay alive?

[Trisha Paytas]

True. Why not just kill yourself at that point? Yeah, yourself.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yourself.

[Moses Hacmon]

So he's not a person. He doesn't have a heartbeat. You can't kill him.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's an entity.

[Moses Hacmon]

What's an entity?

[Trisha Paytas]

Just, like, a being.

[Moses Hacmon]

An entity.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like a being. A fantastical being.

[Moses Hacmon]

I hate it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it is quite. I liked it better when I just thought he was a clown. Like an evil demonic clown.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, like a person in a clown outfit.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't think it was a person. I thought he was, like, just a demonic clown. Like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

But, like, all this, like, space being stuff, it does kind of throw me off a little bit. And he takes different forms that, like, aren't the clown. But I'm like, just, the clown is working for you, mama. So say what other forms he turns into whatever the kids or whoever is afraid of, like, their biggest fear.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I hate that too, because that's just like, okay, then you're just unstoppable. Who was that one that I hate? There was a villain like that that just. Oh, Justice League. That villain was just like, oh, he could just do everything. It's like, well, then of course, no one can defeat him. Oh, I can also run fast. Oh, I can also do this. And I was just like, well, yeah. Okay, so then you can't defeat that. Like, who would ever be able to defeat that if he can just do everything better than you?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, in the second it movie, they do defeat him, but they do. It's because Chastain and Bill Hader, they go defeat him. I actually forget how. I think they, like, they crack. They do a ritual or something. They do a ritual, and then they, like, shame him, and then he becomes a baby.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh. What?

[Trisha Paytas]

I hate it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I hate it. We need to go back in the writer's room and rewrite this. I hate that so much. But I'll be in the prequel. Sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

All that to say.

I. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have you ever played a clown? You do. You have a YouTube video that's, like, putting it on clown make. Putting on my makeup, like, the clown that I am. So where you cosplayed Harley Quinn. So you kind of did.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, I've done that clown. I've also done Clowny Clown Clown, which is a Crispin Glover art piece that I ripped off.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

He has a music video. He's like, I'm a clown. Clowny Clown. Clown. You could.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah. You could do it.

[Moses Hacmon]

You want me to be the it character?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, there is a character in the show that's like the daughter of the clown, and she also is a clown named Periwinkle.

[Moses Hacmon]

So is there somebody in there already in the role?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but there has to be a younger one because it's gonna be going back in time, so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, what do you mean, younger? Going back in time? Oh, she's old now.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's 67 now. So they're gonna keep going, traveling back. So there needs to be a younger version.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're going back to 1800s. They need.

[Trisha Paytas]

True.

[Moses Hacmon]

They need probably, like, a young. I have a young girl with cgi. You ever seen the movie Benjamin Button?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I've never seen a person. Have you seen Benjamin Button?

[Moses Hacmon]

Benjamin Button over the weekend? Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, now I have to put My foot down. Out of all the things you need to be watching, you chose Benjamin Button.

[Moses Hacmon]

I had a three hour car ride. And so I was like, okay, I was back in a minivan and back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Decided to throw on Benjamin Button.

[Moses Hacmon]

I did. I had it downloaded in my old iPad from, like 2010. And I was like, oh, Benjamin Button's in here. Or maybe 2010, maybe 2017. I don't know when it was, but. But I only watched a little bit. I skimmed.

[Trisha Paytas]

And what did you take away from the film?

[Moses Hacmon]

There's CGI. How did that CGI back then, did that movie come out like 2000, or am I just, like, tripping? Like. Anyways, no, the point of the film is like, he. He starts as an old man.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then he becomes a baby at the end.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Spoiler alert.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he becomes so young that he dies.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, he's technically old, but he, like, forgets to walk. Like when he's like three. Like, oh, I watched him forget to walk. There's another famous actress in it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Does he stay looking like Brad Pitt or does he turn into an infant?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, he does turn into an infant.

[Trisha Paytas]

Mentally or physically?

[Moses Hacmon]

Physically. Not mentally. Mentally. She's like, I know he knows who I am because he falls in love with a girl. Little weird, but, like, he's like an old man and he falls. He's not. Falls in love. He sees a little girl and there's like a connection. And then at some point they're the same age and he's like, whoa, we're the same age. Like, whoa. But then she becomes an old woman.

[Oscar Crave]

Old.

[Trisha Paytas]

When he. They're the same age.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's like 40 and she's like 40.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

But they meet when he's like 80 and she's like 5. But then she becomes an old woman, like 80, and she's taking care of a little newborn. That's him.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is odd. And Oscars and stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Always weird movies. I think you have to make some weird film to win an Oscar.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know, I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I want to make a film, but I think maybe a horror film.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

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[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, Weapons is in contention for the Oscar. Oscar.

[Moses Hacmon]

Could you imagine Weapons winning over like, four good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was she? Oh, yeah. Because actually the core comedy actress that plays Gladys is in the best supporting actress race against Ariana. They're on the short list, I should say.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's obviously as if you have inside information.

[Trisha Paytas]

I literally just read a lot of articles because I don't. I'm so dumb when it comes to movies that I try to, like, see what the girls are talking about. To see, like, you know, to be a little bit in the mix and act like I, you know, I'm a cinephile. But I was watching the Stranger Things cast. They did their little letterboxd, like four movies and they were pulling out some, like, really obscure. They always do it. They pick three really obscure artsy movies and then they'll throw in like, Finding Nemo. Like, you know, they try to throw in one relatable one and I'm like, it's like this Dutch film that just really moved me. And then School of Rock, and I'm like, sadie Sink. I just come on now. Like, can we. What about.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is that what she said?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she was listening. All these crazy films.

[Moses Hacmon]

Actually, Quentin Tarantino put School of Rock on his top 20 films that were ever made. The best movies of all time.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would agree with that. But I'm like, these.

[Moses Hacmon]

The.

[Trisha Paytas]

The other three crazy. I mean, I haven't seen it since I was a kid.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I love Best of All Time. I mean, I love that movie. But that's a. That's crazy, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, I'm me being influenced by Sadie Sing because Sadie Sing said, I'll allow it. But I'm like, my point being, like, I just. I can't with, like, the three, like, the really artistic film, like, because then my would go up there and be.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, what would you say? What's your top four?

[Trisha Paytas]

Easy. A. Oh, X2. X Men United. Hunger Games Catching Fire. X Men. Days of Future Past.

[Moses Hacmon]

You can't do X Men in there.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're two different eras of X Men.

[Moses Hacmon]

And that's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Might be replaced with Hunger Games. Sunrise on the Reaping. So we'll see.

[Moses Hacmon]

The bridge is like, they're one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

The new one, it's not even out yet.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know, but I think it's a Oscar. An Oscar contender.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, give your own Oscar.

[Trisha Paytas]

I could tell from the trailer she's got what it takes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do you have any arts you want you throw in there? Like. Like, what's a niche one that you love? If you were trying to be like.

[Trisha Paytas]

There'S only some movies I like that end up being Oscar movies. And that's like a Juno from back in the day. Like, 2006, I think that came out. Oh, and like, a wicked Anora. Anora was like, the one movie. I like that. One of best pictures.

[Moses Hacmon]

And you would put those on your. What is it? Letterbox?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it wouldn't be on my letter box, but I like them.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Is there any, like, foreign film that, like, no one's ever like?

[Oscar Crave]

You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Breaking Dawn Part two.

[Oscar Crave]

Part two, I think from the Criterion Collection.

[Moses Hacmon]

Nothing niche. Nothing in a foreign language.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nothing in a foreign language. No, absolutely not.

[Moses Hacmon]

There was one we like. I always forget this. That, like, it was. I think it was all in Korean. And they were all in that house.

[Oscar Crave]

Parasite.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, Parasite.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wouldn't be in my top, but I like Parasite.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I feel like that's a good one.

[Trisha Paytas]

How about Chocolat Never heard of that one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Would you like Depp?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, he's a chocolatier. Okay. Timothy Chalamet. Not.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my God, that is so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

What would be your letterbox top four?

[Moses Hacmon]

So it's like your all time, four favorite movies?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, like it's like one of those, like if they came to you, you know when you're doing the Beetlejuice tour and they like ask you the qu. Like this or that question. Hi, I'm with letterboxd. Can you give us your top four?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my gosh, that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you gotta get ready. Cuz on the. There are letterboxes at like the carpets of all these premieres and they will ask you. Yes, you. Thank God we're going over this now before you pour.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, because it's changed. Like back in the day. I don't know how I was. Pick me or. I really liked these films back in the day. But I'd be like Reservoir Dogs, the Deer Hunter, Taxi Driver Kate Fear. Like just all Morton Scorsese films. I don't know if I like, like those anymore. I feel like they're all like violent. I'd be like, I hate these movies.

[Oscar Crave]

Oh God, like every year it will change.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I honestly like what is like a favorite movie. I don't know. I honestly have no idea. You gotta come up with movies anymore.

[Trisha Paytas]

You gotta come up with your top four before whenever euphoria comes out being.

[Oscar Crave]

Like Home Alone, Tim Allen, Christmas movies, first of all.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, Home Alone is not.

[Oscar Crave]

Not anything about it. What movies you actually go back to watch again? Christmas movies.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, none of them. Nothing. Joseph and the Missing Technical Dreamcoat.

[Oscar Crave]

Well, definitely. Yeah. That's the most viewed.

[Moses Hacmon]

But once again, is there like a niche? I want to be cool. I want to have something like niche that no one's ever heard of.

[Oscar Crave]

Well, that's your niche.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe Four Rooms, which was like a Quentin Tarantino, Robert Rodriguez movie from like 1989. Okay.

I would not say that one.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I have no idea.

[Oscar Crave]

Taxi Driver music video based on.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, all those. Taxi Driver.

[Oscar Crave]

No. Well, the last one, the gay one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, two one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[Oscar Crave]

I didn't see that until you showed me.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I do like that one. I don't know. I have to really think about this though. Like. Oh, Dangerous Liaisons with John Malkovich. Great. Okay. It's French. Kind of. It takes place in France.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Work as a young Uma Thurman. No, I don't Know I need to find something that made me sound smart.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I've just embraced the fact that mine are what they are.

[Moses Hacmon]

Here are all the blockbusters. No, there's nothing. I honestly have to think about it actually because I don't know, it has changed so much. I don't have a favorite movie. I don't like movies. I don't think.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think I like movies. Like, I only like Wicked.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't believe you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, I don't think I've seen any other movie. Right. We haven't seen any other movie.

[Oscar Crave]

In theater we went when we had time. We went to see a lot of movies. But it was rare that she would come out of the movie saying like, oh, that was a great movie.

[Moses Hacmon]

I fell asleep on everyone. Cruella, Black Widow. What else did we see that year? There was a year where in the Heights Matrix was. Oh, that was the worst. That was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Get ready. The new Avatar movies coming out. I feel like you got to, you know, treat Moses and go see it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Absolutely not.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like three hours long.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think I would do anything for Moses except sit through Avatar. I mean, I know me and James go way back from Titanic, but I just can't do that.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're good friend, Jimmy Cameron.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, absolutely not. I don't know if I. I don't know what I'd rather sit through. Dune or Avatar. I honestly couldn't choose. I honestly would be like just which one is short, I guess. Which one would you rather see? You're off camera now, but which one would you rather see?

[Trisha Paytas]

Darian asked me to see the movie Hamnet.

[Moses Hacmon]

What is that?

[Trisha Paytas]

I. I honestly have no idea. I know Paul Mescal is in it and I'm like, hamnet, Hamnet.

[Moses Hacmon]

What's it about?

[Trisha Paytas]

I have no idea. But he picks very. He's kind of. He's Moses coded but worse because he's even more like, oh, the art, the cinema. And he's very easy influence. Easily influenced by a trailer. So he always wants to see, see like a really heavy slow paced drama. And I'm like, listen, I'm neurodivergent. I need action sequence, action sequence, joke. You know, like Zootopia 2. Perfectly paced for me.

[Moses Hacmon]

You love Zootopia too.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. Yeah, I got into. Have the girls seen Zootopia?

[Oscar Crave]

No, the songs.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. Is there songs in Utopia? Yeah, the Shakira. Shakira does all the music. She's out and she eats that up. Yeah, she's so good.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, we have to. We should see it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw the first one like a week ago because the movie's so big in China that I was like, I was so I wanted to be in the know. Like it is the biggest ticket sale like for an American movie. It's like the biggest ticket sales ever in China. Like it beat Avengers Endgame. Why do you think China loves Zootopia? Like even in the China, there's no.

[Oscar Crave]

Political issues with them, you know, because even like the action movies we have, they have them cut certain parts. They can't have any villains that are Chinese or Russian or stuff like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

So in the Disney park that's in Shanghai, like they even built the Zootopia Land because it's so popular there.

[Moses Hacmon]

I want to go to that one so bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

And this one, they. I think they. What I read is like even this, the big new character is a snake and it's the year of the snakes. That's why China is really excited about it. And there's all these TikTok or not tiktoks, but there's videos of people in China bringing their pets into the theater to watch Utopia.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm like so fun. I kind of want to move to China. I do. I love China. They had Disneylands. They have Bart Baker and Zootopia Land. Like I need and probably great food. I haven't been, but I'm assuming cuz they say Chinese food here is just food there. Oh, like, you know, like that's cool. You know how I was like, we're looking for good Chinese. Well, everywhere you go is good Chinese in China.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yeah, that be great.

[Moses Hacmon]

Chinese food is my favorite food. But I'm so picky. We had the biggest, the biggest spring rolls yesterday and crab wontons. They were like this big and crispy. They were so good. It was a little cabbagey. But hey, I ate the whole thing. I was like, I'll eat all my greens in those. I am manifesting. Okay. I love. I'm manifesting a little Asian tour for me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, then I feel like you got it. You'd probably get into Zootopia maybe because it. It's so. If you want to assimilate with the culture over there, you got to get into Zootopia. I think the girls would love it. It's so cute in theaters. The sequel is. The original is on Disney plus.

[Moses Hacmon]

But yeah, maybe we'll take them to maybe Malibu. I really want to take her to a movie maybe.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's so cute.

[Moses Hacmon]

How do I get to be a voice in there? Like, Robert Irwin's a voice, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. There's a lot of random actors in there, a lot of small roles, but because there's so many. I mean, it's a whole city of animals. So you got to voice, like hundreds of little critters.

[Moses Hacmon]

No small roles.

[Trisha Paytas]

And there's little mice in there. So literally no small roles.

[Moses Hacmon]

What would you be?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, good question. There's a little animal called a dick dick. And I feel like I would really thrive. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

What kind of animal is he?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like a little rodent kind of thing. He gets stuck in a tuba. No spoilers.

[Moses Hacmon]

But that is a Spoilers. Get out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who's to say? I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, he just gets stuck there. That's it. That's last we see of him. I would want to be like a big hawk or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

I want to be like the elephant or you wouldn't. Did you say you wouldn't?

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy. You just said the elephant.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you say you wouldn't want to be the hawk?

[Moses Hacmon]

I said I would want to be a hawk.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you would.

[Moses Hacmon]

And you're like, how about the other.

[Trisha Paytas]

I said you wouldn't want to be that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would love to be a pink elephant, maybe. That sounds kind of majestic. There was a pink elephant in something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, Horton? Here's a who.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know what that is, but maybe. Okay, I like being an elephant. They're very magical and majestical and they bathe themselves, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, well, I get. They're smart.

[Oscar Crave]

Super smart.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, honestly, you do get to eat whatever you want. Noah's epic for elephants. That should be a movie. You remember no Water for elephants.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Sequel.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Work. Robert Pattinson on the Line, Christoph Waltz and Reese Witherspoon.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

We just know the whole IMDb.

[Moses Hacmon]

Kristoff Waltz. Did you ever watch the new season of Only Murders, latest one?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I haven't. I kind of gave up on the show. I'm so sorry, Selena Marie, but it was just becoming a little much. A little too repetitive for me.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think they couldn't pull you back in. I guess the guy, the young villain in the show was like, on a show with Selena Gomez at one point.

[Trisha Paytas]

Logan Lurman, I do love.

[Moses Hacmon]

He was great in it. You wouldn't watch it for that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I forgot he was in it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe he's pretty good. He's like the young tech guy of all the villains. It's like Renee Zellweger, Kristoff Waltz and him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar Crave]

It's funny, cuz. Christoph Waltz is the person I had an argument with about elephants.

[Moses Hacmon]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

We didn't watch the show. And I just glazed past it. He's like, oh, I hate him.

[Oscar Crave]

I'm like, okay, no, hate is a strong word.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I do not like him. And I was like, I just went past it. I was like, I don't know.

[Oscar Crave]

No, because we were having dinner and he was talking about elephants painting. And he was talking about it how they're not smart. They just trained to do that. And I was like, what are you talking about? Like, they're the smartest animals that they are. Like, they actually paint. It's not like they don't do it automatically. So anyway.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, was that it or you kept going back and forth for a while.

[Oscar Crave]

Suddenly I realized, okay, he's not like, open mind. Like, I'm not gonna get through.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, you think he's close minded.

[Oscar Crave]

So I just left it there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why were you at dinner with him?

[Oscar Crave]

We were just having dinner.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just you two?

[Oscar Crave]

No, there was three more people, I think.

[Moses Hacmon]

And you were seated next to him or were you across the table shouting?

[Oscar Crave]

Nobody was shouting.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm trying to picture this. Are you sitting right next to him?

[Oscar Crave]

It was kind of like a sofa and another armchair. So I'm here and he's here. We're just kind of talking. No, it was somebody's house and it was.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who started that conversation? Who butted his face?

[Oscar Crave]

He was talking about the elephants.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's just like, elephants are dumb.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah. Like, you know how they teach them how to draw and they just do it, like, train. You can train them to do anything. And I was like, actually, that's not the case at all. Elephants are like so smart.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow. The conversations of the rich and famous sometimes. Moses was like in a little circle one time of like, really, really famous people. And I was like, he tells me some stories and I'm always like, this much.

[Trisha Paytas]

Y' all talk about.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it was giving very bad. I was kind of like, okay.

[Oscar Crave]

Generally in life, like, I thought before I met any celebrities, I always wonder. I was like, wow. They probably like, so smart and so like. Because when you have access to knowledge and money and all that, you probably want to discover things and know things. And then quickly I found out, like, no, they actually just want to more of themselves and more. Like, there's no sense of discovery. It's really just more of the same.

[Moses Hacmon]

Christoph Waltz, Catching Strays. It's the title.

That'S the Hot topics Breaking Tea exclusive. It was a good season. I liked it. I don't think we finished it. We were talking the other day. We were gonna go watch a show. I'm like, did we finish Only Murders? I'm like, I don't think so.

[Oscar Crave]

Like, I feel like we did, but it was so.

[Moses Hacmon]

But, like, I have no idea who did the murder.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah, they did it again. Where the person who did it was not significant to the plot.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know if we ever finished it.

[Oscar Crave]

It's not fun.

[Moses Hacmon]

I forgot to mention, we have new pajama [e-mail]. sorry, a little promo. I literally forgot because I was looking at your merch and I was like, oh, my God, our merch. So we have new pajama pants. Go to just dot com today if you want some holiday pajama pants. And they are affordable and wonderful and I wear them every day. Even Tanner was like, I'll take. Could I have some of those pants? I'll buy them from you. And I was like, absolutely. I'll give them to you for free, homie. Discount. Okay.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah. And be careful because she's gonna copy those two.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, this person?

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah, she's like, it's unbelievable. Like, everything you have her done, she copied.

[Moses Hacmon]

And now, once again, sarcasm, please.

[Oscar Crave]

This is not. This is real. So she's not even saying it right. She's like, kim's mess. Like, you can't even make. This is real.

[Moses Hacmon]

What?

[Oscar Crave]

Kim Kardashian is doing a kiss message.

[Moses Hacmon]

Kim Smith.

[Oscar Crave]

Kim Smith, like her Christmas live. It looks the same. It's exactly the same. Everything about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

This is not real.

[Oscar Crave]

Super real. Like, there's an article and everything. It's. I mean, it's going today, which is first. So they're. They're trying to do like, you know, like a live stream event that. Let me see where my kids Miss live.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. It doesn't.

[Oscar Crave]

Live is exactly the kind of boundary pushing, culturally resonant life format we love to build. And anyway, it's.

[Moses Hacmon]

Are you sure that's real? We verified.

[Oscar Crave]

Where was it posted? Real. 100% real. Did you. The poster, Everything about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's right. That's my one from last year with the vintage cartoon character on it.

I. Wow. I believe it. I mean, because it doesn't roll off the tongue. Trixie has Trix, Miss. But that makes sense. It sounds like Christmas Trishmas. Yeah. Like, but you can't just be like, Oscar Miss. That makes more sense than Kim Smith.

[Oscar Crave]

I mean, might as well do skims Miss.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, skims Miss does sound Better, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Skims miss.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And it's a skims event. Oh, so maybe they just gotta promote Kim's miss.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, maybe they switched the S in the wrong spot. Maybe they meant to put it in the beginning because they wouldn't even be where the tea would be. Like Christmas.

[Oscar Crave]

I think they're trying. You know, they want. They want.

[Moses Hacmon]

Let's try to figure out what was happening. Okay.

[Oscar Crave]

They want Kim to be the center of it. So they put her. Because I'm. Again, they're copying you. They're not doing the brand. They're doing her name.

[Moses Hacmon]

Mess and lies.

[Trisha Paytas]

She should have just done it with Kris Jenner and then did it Christmas.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that's. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Say it's a collab with you and Chris.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that would have been great. But I'm confused. What is this? So it's a live event.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like a shopping. It's like a. It sounds like almost like a qvc, like HSN moment where, like, it's a tick tock.

[Moses Hacmon]

Tick Tock Live.

[Oscar Crave]

It's a Tick tock live event.

[Trisha Paytas]

A 45 minute live stream to sell skims.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait.

[Trisha Paytas]

And connect with the audience.

[Moses Hacmon]

And she's gonna be on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would love to be a model.

[Oscar Crave]

I mean, I'm sure they'll have performers. That's what I'm saying.

[Moses Hacmon]

But 45 minutes is short. I thought maybe it was like an eight hour, you know, like marathon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. They have to fill in a lot of programming.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that would have been. When is it?

[Trisha Paytas]

What is the date on it?

[Oscar Crave]

I think it's today.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it's today.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, no.

[Trisha Paytas]

December 3rd. Yup. Oh, wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Dang it.

[Trisha Paytas]

PM Eastern.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love her. I'm not gonna lie. I need to ask her this one. Okay. There was another one. I gotta look, look. I really don't think she's copying me, but I do.

I do think we have similar tastes because I did see this bag when I was in New York. I think I sent this to Moses on skims because, you know, I love a skims and I hope it's in our photos that I've shared. Oh, man.

[Trisha Paytas]

You with the big bag, Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, did I send that to all of us?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think you. You put it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I thought it was already. That was it. Yeah. That big fuzzy bag.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, right. Because I feel like that doesn't exist. Right. I feel like. Because I remember being like there was a bag back when I was a kid and I had like this, like, photo of me with this, like, really big fuzzy bag from, like, the early 2000s. And I was like, I want something just like this, like the shape and everything like that. And that was like my inspo, you know. And I'll be honest if I see like Victoria's Secret pink from back in the day with the sequin. But okay, yeah, that's the inspo. But like this was like so long ago. And then I saw the skims with the big fuzzy bag and I was like, that's the same like shape, the same fur. Soft.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Cause it's jumbo, it's oversized. Look, it's not even a bestseller of ours. People do not want a big bag like that, but I do. But I was like, but I was like, nobody wants this bag. Nobody wants that size. Everyone's like, it's too big. What? It's furry, it's gonna get dirty. And she made one like that. Look, honestly, like, I'm here for it. I love it. I just wanna be a part of it. I just wanna be a part of skims. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Just one campaign is all. Yeah. Instagram post, even like, come on, at.

[Moses Hacmon]

This point point, all I want honestly just free skims. A PR box, you know, like a little shapewear or something like that. Cuz I spend thousands of dollars on skims everywhere.

[Oscar Crave]

Drawer opening this house. New, new packages of skims everywhere.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like she, she.

[Oscar Crave]

I think you forget that you have them and then you get more and.

[Moses Hacmon]

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[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. They really should throw you a bone.

[Moses Hacmon]

At this point, Courtney. I'll model. Lemmy. Let me sleep. Who told me? Jordan first man told me. He. Those actually work. He's like, I love.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. I do hear. Yeah. Harry Daniels told me, like, wow. Really knock him out. Those let me sleep. But they're too expensive. They're like 30 bucks for them gummies.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I'm like, courtney, we need a PR box.

[Trisha Paytas]

Let's be a little bit more reasonable here.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know if that's in the Kardashian brand to be reasonably, even skimmed. Let me love it. But it is so expensive. I'm buying it. But it is expensive. It is expensive. Well, that's crazy. But love being the inspo. Like Shenzhen from Wicked. I'm just kind of inspiring everybody in their roles in life. I'm here for it. I love it. I'm honored. I'm flattered.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah, it happens. Nobody happens. When you have a crew of people that work for you. People, you know, they dry out of ideas. What do they. That's how they do ideas. Like Pinterest, you know, they'll have your bag from just Trish on the board. They'll have a lot of things, and then they collage them together into something.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would love for one employee, like one gay employee just to leak the mood board and have you and see you on there. That'd be funny.

[Oscar Crave]

We've seen in the past, I think not for that, but for, like, fashion shoots, things that you've been on and they showed mood boards and you were on them like, that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was on, like, a photo shoot.

[Oscar Crave]

I was on things in general, like.

[Moses Hacmon]

The mood, and there was a Rihanna one eating spaghetti. And then, like, Trisha was on the mood board. It was kind of crazy. I was doing a Rihanna look, but then eating the spaghetti. I like. Maybe I was on the mood board. I don't know. We're all here to inspire each other. No gatekeeping here. You know what I mean? I take from everyone. So if you're copying me, you're probably copying someone else.

[Trisha Paytas]

True.

[Moses Hacmon]

Honestly, you know, it's just, you know.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah. Come to the show in Thousand Oaks. Kim might be there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Definitely not. Definitely not be there. We get sued. Like, do not. Do not promote that.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, what a Cease and Kim Cyst.

[Oscar Crave]

Well, she's not a lawyer yet, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, too far.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Damn. She's trying. Okay. She tried at least. What have we done? Try it all. Maybe you should try it all to be a lawyer. That's there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do. I think. I think she kind of just has to go back to school. Like, I think expecting Chat gbt, though, to be, like, your tutor for, you know, the bar is a little wild.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why not? I thought that was supposed to be the smartest thing in the whole world that knows everything. I guess it's not all knowing if you can't pass your.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying, Kimberly. Let's, you know, let's really buckle down. But, you know, she's busy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's what chat GPT is for. And whoever made ChatGPT should make it smarter.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think you should.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Wait, why? Who made that?

[Trisha Paytas]

We don't want Chat GPT to get a. Be getting.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, they're just giving everyone misinformation. It's just like. Then we're just spreading misinformation. It's like. Were you telling me. No. Someone else? Maybe you were Those Ubers that drive themselves?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no, that wasn't me. But the way.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I don't understand this at all.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't get the waymos, like, how they work.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's like, Ubers that drive themselves right now in la.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, I think Cedric took one. I think maybe Cedric wasami because he doesn't drive.

[Oscar Crave]

But why is the question about it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like. But like, how. How are they driving themselves?

[Oscar Crave]

Could you just combine. Like, right now you have your gps. It tells you where to go, Right? So that gives instructions to the car. And then the car has. Have you seen those cameras they have on? It's like a spinning sensor all around. So they sense everything around them and they put it into, like a. The car knows where it is, you know, what's around it. It can see a people.

[Moses Hacmon]

It can parallel park.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah. So it just. It just analyzes everything around it.

[Moses Hacmon]

And what if someone just jumps onto it?

[Oscar Crave]

Like, no, it will stop. It will. It will probably react better than people will at times. It prevented accidents that people around it didn't even know are about to happen.

[Moses Hacmon]

What if it gets hacked and someone just wants to start messing with everybody? Like that movie where the stoplights stop, huh?

[Oscar Crave]

There's people that mess with them. People don't like them and. Yeah, you know, like, they'll just throw a cone in front of it. And the car can't go. It doesn't know what to do.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my gosh. All of it's weird. That's weird. But okay, that's where we're at. Although Cedric told me, like, it only drops you off at like a certain spot. Like a. Like there's only certain drop off spots. You can't go to a particular address, which I don't know why. If it's that smart, why can't it?

[Oscar Crave]

It's almost like a bus.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

At my work, there's always the little robots now that deliver the food. There's always so many lined up out front. Whenever I'm like going to walk to pick up food, I almost want to kick them. I'm like, what are you guys doing?

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, do you. Is your food come that way too?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't order the little robot food, but when I go, like, I just walk across the street to get food and then every time I walk out, I see it and I just want to shove the robots over.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, what?

[Trisha Paytas]

You're the hater.

I don't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, they're a robot.

[Trisha Paytas]

They give me weird. I don't know. I don't trust them. I really don't.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're going to attack you one day.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just feel like. Why? Like, I don't know. I feel like you're taking away work from people. People. This little robot.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that's tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I want to shove them.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do it. What's stopping you? Honestly?

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that vandalism? My.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe. Probably. Wait, are they from Door Dash and Postmate or They're a different company.

[Trisha Paytas]

I actually have no idea. I don't think they're from Postmates. I feel like we would have gotten a robot by now. Don't you think? At some point.

But like between us, you know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, but you're more like in the mix at your work as opposed to. We're out here in the.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I'm. Yeah. And I've ordered from like on Postmates at work before. Like, I'm too busy to like take a walk and I've never had a robot. I think it's a separate thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

We've seen a lot of them.

[Trisha Paytas]

I see. Yeah, they're always lined up outside.

[Moses Hacmon]

And what stops someone from just taking food out of there?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a good question. Like, you must get a code or something.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah, probably scan.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, you think it's closed?

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wouldn't be open because that wouldn't be hygienic.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess you could Kidnap the robot and then thus take the food open.

[Oscar Crave]

I just don't think it's worth it as far as, like, like, the charges you're gonna get compared to what you got for it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's true.

You know, now you can check into your hotel. Your hotel key can be on your phone. Yeah, I just did that for the first time. I, like, downloaded an app and they're like, put your key and then you, like, put it to the thing. You don't have to check in. You don't have to go to the desk at all.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do kind of like that because I am kind of, like, the.

[Moses Hacmon]

Less interaction sometimes because it was like, late at night, I had to check into a hotel, and I was just like, oh, my gosh, I don't want to walk up to the. The desk and wait. And, like, I don't know. Just like, I didn't know where I was, and I was like, I don't know. And then I could just go straight to my room with it. It was wonderful. I did have the Uber driver walk me. You ever do that?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but I also.

[Oscar Crave]

I told him when he picked you up, when I put the bags in.

[Moses Hacmon]

The car also, I guess he was an Uber driver. It's a driver I use all the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. But yeah, I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I guess if it's a random Uber driver, find, like, come to my room with me.

Good point. Don't do that, actually. Oh, I didn't know. You know, he wasn't supposed to work that night either, because when I called and I was like, can I have this driver? And he's like, oh, he's off that night. And then he picked me up, I was like, I thought you were off. He's like, oh, I came. I was like, thank you.

If you. Okay. It doesn't matter. I just think people should tip people more because I feel like if you tip people, like, they're more inclined to help you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think if you have the means, especially for, like, jobs where it's like.

They'Re treating you very well. Yeah. Service. And they're giving you. They are providing really good service, and they're like, you know, very helpful.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why not? Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

When people go above me, especially, like, yeah, the food. Like, food industry servers, like, waiters. I don't know the proper term anymore. Is it waiters or servers?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's less offensive. I don't know. Probably waiters. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Sometimes they're just in such good moods and I'm like, I wish I could be this good.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it is. It does change the whole vibe.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, it changes the whole vibe. But I get it. People are in bad mood sometimes, too. And that's. That's okay. Yeah, that's okay. It's okay to have a bad day.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Okay. Transitioning 48 minutes later into a hot topic. I'm excited to get your take on this.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is that not our first hot topic?

[Oscar Crave]

Was that one of our biggest hot topics should be in the title.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Christopher Waltz.

[Oscar Crave]

No, no. The Kinker.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Actually, you're right. You're right. Christoph Waltzopher.

[Moses Hacmon]

I said John William Gacy in the last episode and everyone's like, john William. And I was like, is that not his name?

[Trisha Paytas]

John Wayne? I thought you said John Wayne Gacy.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think I said John Williams.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I just saw a comment say that. Maybe not. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I thought you said John Wayne Gacy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Roll back the tape.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, right. I think we can body John William Casey.

[Moses Hacmon]

You fat.

Or not? Why doesn't he get an American Horror Story or what are they called? Crime stories?

[Trisha Paytas]

American Crime Story, he got a peacock documentary and drum, like, drama show. Both on peacock at the same time.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like some actor played him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, fat.

[Moses Hacmon]

They put him in a fat suit, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

A genuine fatty, from what I could tell.

[Moses Hacmon]

Thank God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. We don't need any more appropriation.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my gosh. If they keep taking away parts from everyone.

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw, I don't think I finished the drama. But I watched the documentary of John.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, you're in. I can't watch it.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it was the same time that welcome to Derry came out and. Or yeah, welcome to Dairy came out. And also this black phone 2 came out. I was really in my horror bag.

[Moses Hacmon]

You love horror. You do some horror.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't like a saw. I don't like the body horror of it all. I'd like a, you know, a suspenseful.

[Moses Hacmon]

Definitely not saw. That little creepy doll. I like him riding on the bicycle.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I hate that guy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. What's the name?

[Trisha Paytas]

Billy, I think.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. What now?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Billy the puppet. I'm 99. Sure.

[Moses Hacmon]

I thought it was, like, Saul. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe his last name. Oh, wait. You're so right.

Here.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, isn't that the whole point of the jigsaw? Stupid. I don't know. Billy the Puppet is crazy, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was really confident, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why does that make those movies?

[Trisha Paytas]

They're gonna reboot them.

[Moses Hacmon]

James Wan. I like him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's the king of horror, kind of. Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. When I was back in my MySpace days, as I always say, it was James Gunn, James Wan. They were called the Splat Pack. That's what they were called. And I was, I was like, I love horror movies. Like, I remember back then going to all the horror conventions. I've never liked horror movies. They all were awful. But.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you'll be in one.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'll be in one if they ask. Okay, sorry, back to the hot topic.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, well, it's similar. Another movie, Wicked. So the costume designer spoke out in defense of Elphaba's controversial sex cardigan.

[Moses Hacmon]

I've been trying to find someone to make this for me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, the car. Oh, yeah. I have seen all your stories and no one has.

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess it is kind of hard, right, because it's a knit. But the costume designer came out and said that it was. It came out of a very literal and organic decision of what does Elphaba have access to? Because she's living alone. So what choice would she. Would she make when she's looking for a robe? Some way to be protective and warm. Basically, it's like in replacement of a robe that, you know, you'd put on after.

[Moses Hacmon]

But was it not a robe?

[Trisha Paytas]

Sweet love? No, it was a cardi. A cardigan.

[Moses Hacmon]

Where'd she get the cardigan? Like, I don't understand. You had access to a cardigan. Was there a store in the middle of the woods?

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, now you're asking the good. Okay, journalist, this is. Does one red carpet and ask the good follow up questions. Excellent. Follow up. Yeah, we should imply that she made.

[Moses Hacmon]

It out of like the, the. The. What's the fur on the tree the most.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, oh, wait. Actually, he did. My apologies. I didn't get to the second part of the quote. She's got a loom in her treehouse where she's weaving her own clothing. She's manifesting all these things from the elements that are around her. And the sweater is keeping in with that work.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, so he did manifest some cashmere up in there. Like, let me get some of this. I like that. I like it. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I love it. It was iconic. Why did people hate it? What was it?

[Trisha Paytas]

People were really dogging on the sex. Start again. Because it's like I just made sweet love to, you know, Is it prince? Is he a prince?

[Moses Hacmon]

He is, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

The winky. I made sweet love to the winky prince. The sexiest man alive, winky prince when he put on a cardigan.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Why not? I thought that was. That's what I would do. That's what I do.

[Trisha Paytas]

You put on a big cardigan? Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, that's usually something fat people do, so I don't know why she would. Because she's not coming out of body, but she's not fat. You know what I mean? And it's like, you know. But hey, everyone has their insecurities, so I'm not gonna judge. I loved it for that reason. I'm not kidding. You know me, I put on a big cardigan. Especially the first time we met. If I had to be, like, naked, I'd be, oh, I'm just so tiny in my big cardigan. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

It could be, like sweating. Could have been like summertime, and I'm like, I'm gonna sweating this cardigan.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's so weird. When I watched it, I didn't even really think about the cardigan. And then I saw all the tweets I would like, why did she put that cardigan on after you thought nothing of it? I just. I was like, okay, you're kind of.

[Moses Hacmon]

Straight coded that way. You really don't notice things like that? Like, what do you mean? I loved her black lingerie. She had a little lacy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't notice that either.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my gosh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do I guess men just, like, take off their clothes and they don't have any sexy thing to put on before or after, huh?

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess it depends on who you talk to.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, who have you seen? Who have you talked to?

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like some guys wear, like, special, like. Like a. Depending on, like the. Like a special brief or like a. I don't know, a thong or something. Okay, do they. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

So there's no. Right. So sexy underwear, but there's not an equivalent of, like, sexy lingerie?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe a harness.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. You know, more. I guess you would know more gay stuff than me, to be honest.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love a harness. I love when someone will wear a harness.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you're right. There would be, like, a harness. Some people really get into, like, socks, I guess. Like having, like, high sock.

[Moses Hacmon]

I used to love those too. I thought those were cool. I'm all for it, but I know what you mean. Like, I guess guys are more just. Their cardigan is, like their chest. Yeah. Oh, you don't remember it? You don't remember that?

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah, no, I'm just. It's not the moment you think about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think about it. I just posted on my story I was like, where can I get this?

[Oscar Crave]

But it looks like it's her. Comfy. Like a robe. Like that would be her. But she wears when she's not wearing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right. That's what he said. He said it was supposed emulate, like a robe. But what was the controversy that he even addressed that?

[Trisha Paytas]

The. I think I saw a lot of gays specifically wanting it to be a little bit more fab. Like, a little bit, like, let's see, a little, you know, Victoria's Secret up in there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. What is she supposed to wear?

[Trisha Paytas]

Pink and white Secret.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's actually a good one. All right, well, they're being a little. They're being a lot. Calm down. But I. Yeah, no, she looked great. Okay. Yeah. No, that's very true to Alphabet's character. And that's why I love it. I would love it. Catch me next Monday wearing my gray. My pink version of it off the shoulder.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cute.

[Moses Hacmon]

Actually, please someone. Can someone knit that fast? Because someone knit in four days.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah, yeah. People that need fast. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or if you have a loom. I guess if you have a loom.

[Moses Hacmon]

In your house, Alphabeth. Or I know you're out there. I wish I could knit. Paul Tazwell said that. I love Paul Taz.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I like that he went to defend it as he should, period. But I. I do wonder if he'll win the Oscar again for costuming.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because it's like, I think he should at least. What else did I do?

[Moses Hacmon]

Who else could even compete?

[Trisha Paytas]

The other movie I've been hearing for costuming was Frankenstein del Toro.

[Moses Hacmon]

Frankenstein? No. What?

[Trisha Paytas]

How did you see it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Isn't he, like, naked Jacob Elordi? Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think he does become the little monster. But, like, Mia Goth is, you know, in the different outfits.

[Moses Hacmon]

You seen it?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Out. Is it out?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's on Netflix and you haven't seen it. It's really long. It sounds like you love the shape of water, so I thought you would get into Frankenstein.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you love Jacob Elordi after Salt Burn.

[Moses Hacmon]

I kind of do like Jacob Lording.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like Jacob Lord for his future projects. I'm very. You coded in that. Where I'm like. I think his future movies will be my favorite movies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like which one?

[Moses Hacmon]

The Wuthering Heights one? The Zendaya one? Or is that Robert Pattinson?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's Robert Pattinson.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think. I like Euphoria.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like season three will be great.

That's it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I. I like him. I liked him as Elvis.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, he didn't look like Elvis at all. But he did a pretty good job portraying.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think he's a good actor.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think so. Too.

Tall.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Absurdly tall, but he can't help that. Yeah. And then he didn't say in like an interview a couple weeks ago about like, when he moved to la, he was like living in a car off of like Loyal Laurel Canyon or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I'm like, he's living in a car?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he was living in his car, but he was in the three Kissing Booth movies.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm like, yeah, maybe he just chose to live in his car.

[Trisha Paytas]

He did just choose and then wanted to like for like a week. A little. For a little bit, but definitely done that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I've definitely suffered more than I needed to at times. Yeah. I definitely spent the nights, like at an airport a couple times to just like when I was mad at like my mom or something. I like, stay at the airport.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, that wasn't for your art. Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was just my mental illness, I suppose. I'm gonna go sleep at the airport for three days and you're gonna worry about me.

[Oscar Crave]

Jesus.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it was in Detroit too. It was like when she lived in Michigan.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like I'm Alex Cooper on Caller Daddy. When you were just lore dropping like traumatic things. And I'm like, as I'm writing my.

[Moses Hacmon]

Book, I have more memories. Yes. And then this time that I was at Detroit airport and almost trafficked.

[Trisha Paytas]

My God.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Crazy. I know. You suppress a lot of trauma.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe it wasn't trauma. It was my own trauma that I did myself. I just put myself out there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Self imposed trauma put me there on the streets.

[Moses Hacmon]

Does it?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think self imposed trauma, so. Because, I mean, you were meant to. Mentally ill. That's true. So, yeah. A victim of your own.

[Moses Hacmon]

But, like. Right. That's a whole other issue.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, well, there's another mentally ill creature about. A raccoon. This is very, very.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know what this raccoon.

[Oscar Crave]

Not yet.

[Trisha Paytas]

A raccoon got drunk at an Ashland ABC store and it passed out in the bathroom. And people were laughing at this raccoon. But I have some serious questions about it. Well, this raccoon broke into a liquor store, raided the booze, and then was passed out in the bathroom. And he completely ransacked the whole place, knocked over the bottles, drank it up. And an officer was called to the scene and discovered puddles of alcohol and broken bottles all over the floor. And when he investigated, he found the suspect, AKA the raccoon, lying in the bathroom just passed out. And the raccoon ended up being transported to an animal shelter to. To sober up and then was released back into the wild. But I think that raccoon. It was a cry for help. Like, I think we got to, like, do a little bit more if it's having, like. Yeah, like a substance abuse problem.

[Moses Hacmon]

And they just put him in for a minute.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they sobered him up. Like, let's make sure this raccoon is getting the help he needs.

[Moses Hacmon]

How's he getting the alcohol?

[Trisha Paytas]

He's breaking in and stealing it.

[Oscar Crave]

He probably grew up outside of trash of somebody that was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, and got a little taste. You think it was.

[Oscar Crave]

I mean, I think he grew up drinking.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so unfortunate.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't understand where these stories are coming from. I feel like you just make, like, get these at, like, a fake news.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it was all over Twitter. Everyone was talk, like, having a laugh at this raccoon's expense. But I was like, like, I think we should be helping this record.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, where is he?

[Trisha Paytas]

He's in Ashland, North Carolina.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, okay. Should we go?

[Trisha Paytas]

We should maybe.

[Moses Hacmon]

Would you pick up a raccoon if you saw him drunk like that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Would I pick him up myself? Oh, my God. I don't know if I would do it myself. No.

[Oscar Crave]

It depends what kind of a drunk he is. You know, Is he a sweet drunk or is he violence? Yeah, because raccoons could get. You don't want it to bite you or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Very zootopia vibes.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was gonna say that.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is very zootopia. Oh, the drunk raccoon. You would want me to be.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's kind of cute. That's your vibe. You'd be a happy one with your laugh. He'd be like, great laugh for cartoons.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would love to.

[Moses Hacmon]

How come you never done it?

[Trisha Paytas]

I have no idea. I should be scouted or something, I guess. You have to go and do a. You have to go and make an animation. An animated film or animation? Yeah, why not?

[Moses Hacmon]

All right.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like Gremlins or something. I'd be a good little voice of a gremlin. That's cute. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do your best Gremlin.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like they would cackle.

[Oscar Crave]

No, they just burst in love. They don't talk.

[Trisha Paytas]

And they eat after midnight. That's very.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think they don't eat after midnight.

[Oscar Crave]

No, they did.

[Trisha Paytas]

And that's when they got crazy. Oh, yeah.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah. Supposed to. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really? What a crazy I'm plot.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Like, who makes up these.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

You Know, I don't think the raccoon cares. I don't think anyone cares, but. Except for YouTube, but you know, honestly, just let him live his life. He's a raccoon. Could you imagine coming back into this world as a raccoon?

[Trisha Paytas]

It would be kind of sweet. I think I kind of like raccoons.

[Moses Hacmon]

But you're just like wandering the earth.

[Trisha Paytas]

Going through trash cans and stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's like, no, but then look, you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can break into liquor stores and get all drunk and then no one punishes you for the crime.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like he's not breaking it because, like, that's what I was asking. Like, where's he getting it? Like, how is he like opening the door?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think he just broke into a window or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's a little suspicious if we ask me.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess it's the life of a raccoon.

[Trisha Paytas]

The life of a.

[Moses Hacmon]

Raccoon girl. What'd be the worst animal to come back as? An ant?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, something. Or like, maybe even a bee. Because like, I'm a little temperamental. So like, the one day you lose your attitude, it's over for you. I guess that's a good.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why?

[Trisha Paytas]

If you sting someone, you die. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, wait, what? Yeah, wait, so okay, why. Why do they die and why do they sting people?

[Oscar Crave]

They stink. Like it when they leave it, it pulls out like it kills them. Like it's connected.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do they know that's gonna happen? Like you said kamikaze style. Like they know it's gonna happen.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's a good question. We need to make a list of whenever the vet comes. We do have to make a list.

[Oscar Crave]

Of just questions we can ask him about the elephants. And finally I can be proven right.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, let's actually make a list.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we gotta start.

[Moses Hacmon]

So bees, the stinger and elephants and raccoons, in drinking problems we have a lot of hot topics for discuss.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. Okay.

[Oscar Crave]

How often drunk raccoons show up in his clinic?

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. We have so many notes. Okay, yeah, that's a really good question. The B1 is so interesting to me, cuz. So why do they sting people for.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I guess self defense. Yes.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah. To protect the hive.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, to protect the queen. That's kind of fierce actually. Okay. They go down for.

[Oscar Crave]

They're selfless in that way.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's very Stan Twitter coated of them. Like. Yeah, throwing yourself on the line for the queens, you know, the pop queens, if you will.

[Moses Hacmon]

Say you with everybody.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cat's eye, Taylor Swift, Olivia Cat's eyes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Up there now with Them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Yeah. My. I love Spotify rap season. Like, I love Apple music rap season, the YouTube replay season. I love seeing what everyone's up to. Like everyone.

[Oscar Crave]

My. All of my mentions are people that watch.

[Trisha Paytas]

It makes me so happy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really?

[Oscar Crave]

Oh, yeah. Like we're in the top 1% or.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, thank you, guys.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's the best. I love seeing everyone.

[Oscar Crave]

You get, you get those kind of.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, it happens.

[Trisha Paytas]

Seeing that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're so fun. And I got mine for Apple music and my number one artist was Taylor Swift. But yeah, number two, Cat's Eye shot up from number five last year, 2024 to number two. Yep. It was pretty big. My most listened to song for I think six of the 12 months this year was gnarly, which is a little scary. I'm like, the concept of everything being gnarly.

[Moses Hacmon]

You never did the dance.

[Trisha Paytas]

I never did the dance, no. But we're gonna do the zucchini dance. Like I'm gonna. But one of our patreons is us learning dances.

[Moses Hacmon]

But no, it's not even a dancer said right. Is it just eating.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's a dance. This. The lyrics are eat zucchini, but they're doing little dance.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm down to learn. Yeah, we're doing it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think we. We could really eat that up. No pun intended. But yeah. I didn't post my full apple music rap though, because I was. It was a little embarrassing because I'm.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, wait, what else? What was the embarrassing one?

[Trisha Paytas]

My number one is, is the life of a showgirl. Like my number one album. And I'm like, the girls. I. The girls are gonna eat me up in my replies if I post this. But you know what?

[Moses Hacmon]

I really like it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do, I do. I. I still really like at least 60, 60, 70 of it. I really like. But it was you just Taylor Cat's eye and then Sabrina was third.

[Moses Hacmon]

What was the embarrassing one then?

[Trisha Paytas]

I was a little embarrassed about the life of a showgirl because she really is getting, you know, she got jumped. Like I got jumped and I'm like, let me not set myself up like that, you know? And then it was like gnarly, which everyone kind of clowns on gnarly as a song. Even though.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I thought people loved it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it. But even like the girls, they were like so nervous to release it. Like Mana said releasing gnarly, she thought their careers were going to be over. And she's like, I'm so like. She's like, I don't Want to release this song. Like, I think our career is going to be over. And then ended up being, like, really.

[Moses Hacmon]

Popular, but push it to release.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think the label probably.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, sometimes the labels don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

But look at me standing gnarly. So I guess sometimes.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I don't know where that goes. Hey, but at least you're authentic. I don't even listen to music on Spotify, so I guess I can't find anything. I don't think I use Spotify.

[Oscar Crave]

My recap because of the kids.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, yours would be crazy.

[Oscar Crave]

My number one song is Hot to Go.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, I love that.

[Oscar Crave]

Number two is Misbehaving.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God, that's so funny.

[Oscar Crave]

Number three is the Disney Princess Medley. Number four is Pink Pony Club. And five is the Sound of Music.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so. That makes sense.

[Moses Hacmon]

That makes sense. Yes, they do. Can't. They can't get enough of Pink Pony Club. I banned it at my shows during press hours. Like, no Pink Pony Club. Although they still. You know what? Every time, it's still shallow. I was like, oh, gosh. Okay. I'm gonna be seeing that till it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is kind of your song.

[Oscar Crave]

If Malibu comes to the show, maybe you'll break the rule.

[Moses Hacmon]

Pink Pony. I did today. She's like, oh. I'm like, you want to come to a show? And I showed her us singing from Ashton's Tick Tock. And I'm like, do you want to come on stage and sing? It's like, yeah. And I showed her the misbehaving. So I thought she was gonna say that. Like, what song would you want to sing? She's like, pink Pony Club.

[Oscar Crave]

She didn't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, just on her own. She said that. I was like, okay, I don't know. We'll see. Maybe possibly.

[Oscar Crave]

Christmas songs. Malibu just runs around the house singing like, Howdy Barbie, Sally the Barbie, Pink Christmas. She also sings.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's my biggest stand. For sure. I'm her biggest stand, too. Well, maybe it'll happen.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I have the next show. I think you need to ditch Benjamin Button. There's a new gay show that everyone didn't tell me about.

[Moses Hacmon]

This or.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no, he did. Rivalry.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. No, I feel like that's all I've been talking about for the past week.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I.

[Moses Hacmon]

The.

[Trisha Paytas]

The gay hockey show on Max.

Have you watched it yet?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, have I watched it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you have?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Have you not?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I have. I didn't expect you to.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait. What do you mean? Why not? This is like, because you said.

[Trisha Paytas]

You just said that you haven't been watching anything.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, we keep this one under wraps. This one is.

[Oscar Crave]

That's your New Travelers kind of. It is. It is very.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, yeah. Someone I was talking to. Oh, yes, I know. I know exactly who I was talking to. And they were like, yeah, it's like number three on Max right now. That's why I was going. I was like, oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like. I'm like, who's number one, too? And they're like, dairy. Oh, yeah. The chair company someone was telling me about. You were talking about that one?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

Yes. I have been talking to a lot of gay people this week. Who's talking about the chair? Someone else is talking about that, too. It's someone who broke a chair. Right. And he's, like, trying to track down the company who made the chair.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's it. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Someone was telling me this, and I was like, that also sounds like, oh, Tim Robinson. Who? I keep getting confused with Tim Robbins.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have no idea who that is.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't either.

[Moses Hacmon]

But everyone I know. Tim Robinson show. And I was like, who the hell is Tim Robinson?

[Trisha Paytas]

No idea.

[Moses Hacmon]

But this chair shows a big deal, too. And he literally, like, broke a chair. So he's, like, tracking down the company that made it. I was like, me. Sounds like a weird story, but okay. Yes. This is now that show, the rivalry show, is from a different country. Canada.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's from Canada. So in Canada. Comes out on the network. Crave. Oh, crave in Canada. And, yeah, here it's on hbo. Max. And it is.

Sexy. It's pretty steamy.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is a lot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And I think there's something to say about.

Like, the original book. It's a gay. Obviously, like, a gay romance book, but it's written by a woman, so I feel like that also kind of makes it. I don't know. I think the way that she writes, like, the romance. From what I can. I haven't read the books from what I can tell from the show, like, it's directed by a man, but the having these scenes written by a woman. I don't know. The sex scenes are different than. I think if it was written by.

[Moses Hacmon]

A. I totally agree. I totally agree. And I think that says a lot, like, in general, because there was, like, a trend back in the day is like, if I was written by, like, you know, like, humans, they're like, okay, are you written by a man or a woman? And the way you're, like, written is women are just more like.

Maybe. Yeah, it's more not just sex, but like everything around it, you know, that makes it like sexy and hot and who wrote it?

[Trisha Paytas]

What is her name? Let me see. Rachel Reed is the author.

[Moses Hacmon]

I could write some amazing gay fanfic. I have written some amazing gay fanfic for sure. I never even thought about going that round because I. I really want to do like romance. Like more romance novels. I should write gay ones.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like I was or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is there not a great gay Bridgerton?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like a gay male Bridgerton? Right. I don't think so.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like there is not nothing from that period.

[Oscar Crave]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean there's red, white and royal blue, but that's like modern royalty. Like we need the. Yeah, whatever era.

[Moses Hacmon]

They don't have any gay storylines.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, one of the. I'm sure one of them is gay.

[Moses Hacmon]

One of them was bi. The new one. Who's the new one? The one that the season's about.

[Trisha Paytas]

No idea.

[Oscar Crave]

The one that was the artist. He went with a couple.

[Moses Hacmon]

Benedict was bi. Now he's with a girl in this new one.

[Oscar Crave]

At least he was curious because he was.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it's pretty bi. I think that was full on bi.

[Oscar Crave]

The best. It's his first and only time doing that.

[Moses Hacmon]

So it's like that we know of. Oh, no, no. I know. They really should have made him gay. I don't know why they didn't make one of the characters gay in British.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, but you can write something like that. Maybe. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm really bad at period things because I have no. Like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's even more iconic. Putting an iPhone in there is so historically inaccurate. That's like grow up.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would love.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, maybe because, I mean, Bridgerton kind of popped off because it was like in that time period. But the music was like, you know, Dangerous Woman, like an Ariana Grande song on the orchestra. But it's like the Victorian era. Whatever.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe my Tavern series can be.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, T. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I always told you I thought of Harry Potter.

[Trisha Paytas]

Daniel Radcliffe. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's been around making. He was with the News.

[Trisha Paytas]

He reunited with Draco Malfoy's actor. I'm forgetting his name.

[Moses Hacmon]

Tom Felton.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tom Felton, yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's in. He's on Broadway. He's on Broadway the same time I was. Oh, he was in Harry Potter. Kirsten, did you not know?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but he plays.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, he like plays Draco, but it's like a grown up version of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like the dad.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, he's like grown up like Draco Malfoy and Had, like, they have kids now that go to Hogwarts. It's not like a great one. I just. I really can't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Same. I feel you on that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Would love to go see that.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I was like, damn.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know why, like, this is another time where someone could just, like, she could just apologize. Stop with apologies.

[Trisha Paytas]

At least shut up. You know, like that part. At the very least.

[Moses Hacmon]

How about let's keep it quiet.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Keep it on the DL. Nope.

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It's hard to support. He's cute. Didn't. Rock is cute, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's a little sweetie, I think. But for. In a heated rivalry, the creator for the show got asked about the casting process for the two leads and, like, if he wanted. If he was trying to cast, like, gay people for the gay roles.

And he said it was a little controversial because he said, I don't think there's any reason to get into that stuff. I'll tell you something about the casting of both these roles. You can't ask questions like that when you're casting. It's actually against the law. So what you have to gauge is somebody's enthusiasm and willingness to do the work.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

And that's what's so impressive about both of these guys, is they came in being like, yeah, here to do this, and we're here to make the story feel authentic and to be as real as possible. And they hit it out of the park.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that's actually a good point, though, because they're unknown, Right. They're not, like, known actors, these two. That's a good point. Like, I guess if you're casting unknown, you wouldn't know if they're gay or straight. Okay, take it back. I can't cast Daniel Ratcliffe. I don't only want to cascade actors in my gay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yeah. I get so torn. Like, I feel like as a gay person, I'm supposed to be like, gay people, but I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think gay people.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do think they should get, like, prior. Like, I do think they should get priority, but I don't think you should put, like, a gay that doesn't fit the role just because they're gay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, yeah, there's amazing gay actors.

[Trisha Paytas]

There are, for sure. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I think despite an amazing gay actor.

[Trisha Paytas]

True, true. Because I'm. I do get sick of seeing some actor. I think maybe. I think it's Palmescall who I love, but he plays so many gay roles.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I'm like, so weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I'm like, I guess it's like me. I look at Daniel RF I'm like, oh, he could. He could be great in this. But like, he's not gay.

Like, make out, you know, with the guy. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, there's some actors that are some straight actors that are always down to do it.

Or like with queer. Like Daniel Craig. Oh, actually in Knives out, there's a new Knives out movie, and Daniel Craig is queer again, I don't think. As far as I know, I don't think he's queer in real life.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe he's. Maybe he's not out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because between Queer and Knives Out, I'm like, you really are gay in a lot of. Of these movies.

[Moses Hacmon]

So we don't know anything about him, his personal life.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm going to check this. Actually.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'd cast Daniel Prada and Ricky Martin.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. That's actually like a good combination.

[Moses Hacmon]

A good one or you. I'd cast you.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's.

[Moses Hacmon]

You and Daniel Ratcliffe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, he's.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's my four male leads. You, Daniel Ratcliffe, Daniel Prade, and Ricky Martin.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, to clarify, Daniel Craig is married to a woman and is. Has. Which one's identified as straight?

[Moses Hacmon]

Which one is he?

[Trisha Paytas]

James Bond.

[Moses Hacmon]

He was in White Lotus with the penis.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, that's that. That guy was in Harry Potter. Oh, that was Jason Isaacs.

[Moses Hacmon]

Never heard that in my life. That's his name. There's nothing like it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. There was another.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, Jason Isaacs. Yes, he was on the top of my mind. He's Lucy as Melboy. He's the dad. Oh, never heard that name.

[Trisha Paytas]

Daniel Craig is. He was in Queer. He was in. I mean, I know him from. I don't haven't seen James Bond, but I. I know he's James Bond and because it was just everywhere he was.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, I love how, like, I'd never seen it, but that's how I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Know him because he was in the pop culture.

[Moses Hacmon]

I only know Pierce Brosnan as James Bond, but I never saw it either. Who's the James Bond we saw with Rami Malek? Who is that? James Bond?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that was Daniel Craig, mama.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not even Moses knew. He thought about it for a minute. He's like, I don't know either.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah, I mean, he's been for like a decade.

[Moses Hacmon]

Don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yeah, so he's straight. He's playing a lot of gay roles. So, yeah, there's a lot of, like, straight actors are. I was like saying, like Omar Apollo in Queer, you know, being a gay actor.

[Moses Hacmon]

But, well, he's gay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So it was nice to see him. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, that's what I'm saying. There's so many good ones ones.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Give them rules. I put Frank Grande in mine too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Work. But these two guys are so good in. In heated rivalry though. One of that one guy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But is great. Everyone was.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, they're hockey players that right.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. Yeah. So they got that. That thing on them but damn, it was crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

I wonder if they knew each other in real life before because the chemistry is.

[Trisha Paytas]

The chemistry is great.

[Moses Hacmon]

Insane. Maybe they weren't new each other before.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hudson Williams and Connor Story are their names. Yeah, they're really great. Great. But yeah, great. Every. All the gays were nuts. I mean. Yeah, this was great like decision great creative decision to throw that early on in the season because now everyone got hooked.

[Moses Hacmon]

Of course that's what you need in those kind of shows. Because that's why. That's why I started watching it. Because when I was in the hotel I was like, I need to watch something. And then I was like, oh, well I. And I was signed into Max. Like that's really like the only thing I'm signed in on that and Hulu doesn't really.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

To get back on Netflix. I don't know how to sign in. I forget my passwords all the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's nice to see a show like that's so like it's on the same sexy level as like a Game of Thrones almost. I feel like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, right.

[Trisha Paytas]

So it's nice to see a show be like so gay.

[Moses Hacmon]

And also it is giving gay Bridgerton a little bit. I mean not the same era, but it's giving like this as far as sexiness, romance and you know the feeling of it. Because that's why British is so great. Because it is like a horny show. But like it's romantic and it's. Yeah, it's pleasing to watch.

[Trisha Paytas]

It does make me kind of want to read the book to you a little bit. It's. So the book sold out on Amazon because. Yeah, everyone's.

[Moses Hacmon]

What do you mean sold out? They just keep printing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think they have to print more that they get more in stock on demand.

[Moses Hacmon]

Print those right now, take a long time. That's like a print demand. Just get it done in two days.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it's like a. No. It was like on back order for like two weeks. The books.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is always steamier in the books. I feel. I feel like all the sex scenes. Bridgerton too. I feel like there's more like.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then they can really go there.

[Moses Hacmon]

What else could they possibly do? What more could they possibly do to each other?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I don't know. They're.

[Moses Hacmon]

We'll find out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's like. It's wild.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like that's something like a male wouldn't think about. Is just like, how.

Out of Lotus.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God. What is? Nothing. Nothing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like how heavy the load is.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, know how like hot it is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, how hot it is. I feel like gazing about all the time.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't like the word load though.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if I like it either. I hate when it's like nut. I don't like.

[Oscar Crave]

Ugh.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was listening to a girl talk about that. It's like sometimes you just want to get your nut off.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, oh, yeah. It's a little off putting to me. It's so aggressive.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's aggressive. It just sounds. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm too animalistic.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah. It is a little mushroom me. But that's. It always is the thing for gays. I guess it's like, where is where that low gonna be dropped off at?

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess they ask that.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's always like, where. Where should I Like, that's what they always want to know. Cuz I guess there's a lot of options.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess it's nice they ask.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, true. Yeah. You can.

[Moses Hacmon]

Better than just putting in your eyes choice.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Got to move on. We're gonna get censored.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, if you needed rivalry can, you know, be. So maybe that's what we need. We need to just get even gayer and raunchier.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because we have been slipping on those Grinder charts and I feel like maybe we're just not.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I don't know how we get up there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I honestly don't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because we have you and Jimmy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. What the hell? I think I want to say maybe fear and got on the short list of Grinder nominations over. And I'm like, they only got the one. Did we get it One year we got that. Yeah. Our first year.

[Moses Hacmon]

What the hell happened?

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I feel like we've been stepping it. I feel like we've been gayer than ever before.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think so. I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it was just the me. It was one gay that first year. And then we got Jimmy. So now we're 100 gear.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that is true.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I feel like we really should be in consideration. Like, I'm not Saying we have to sweep. But I would. It would be an inspiration. Yeah. Be on the short list at least. Because I saw the. I think Austin show was campaigning because they sent out a Google sheet, like a Google survey of, like, you can campaign. Grindr sent out a list of like, here's a short list. And it was like a. A Google, like, form so you could vote. We weren't even on the short. I was gagged at that because I was ready to campaign. But here comes Fear. And. And they got the one gay. So I'm like, what the hell?

[Moses Hacmon]

That's.

[Trisha Paytas]

We have.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was at Pride this year.

[Trisha Paytas]

World Pride. That's at. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

World Pride. Moses has a harness under that sweatshirt right now. Get us up there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe if he did that. Walt Walton Goggin, Speed up. Shoot. We would be on that list.

[Oscar Crave]

It's gonna be my fault.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is kind of your fault.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God. We did the gay song. We had the gay anthem of the year.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you had so many. So many drag queens in your music video.

[Moses Hacmon]

Drag queen, gay, queer. We had them all. There wasn't one straight in sight. I don't know how much more we could. How much more we could. Wow.

[Oscar Crave]

Maybe it was too much. And they were like, okay, we don't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Want to too much.

[Oscar Crave]

We want to be like, more toned down.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy. They use our theme song as their audio.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Grant really wants to tone it down. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

The subs yesterday were Grindr subs. It was so funny. I was like, I love that that Grinder had a whole thing. Anyways, Grindr, you really missed out on us. We still love you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

Cuz we are both in relationships.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was gonna say we have no one actually on there, but does Fear. And Austin's in a relationship and he's the one gay person on there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, who? I don't know this podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Fear. It's Austin, Cutie, Cinderella, Hassan, and Will Neff. You know Will Neff?

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

Who's that? How does he know the group? I guess I should say.

[Trisha Paytas]

I actually don't know, though. I know that they're all friend group.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's straight.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. He's in a relationship with Caroline Kwan, who's lovely and gorgeous, but they're a hetero couple. Yeah. So what the hell? That is a sign of the times that Grindr's going more straight. Sad.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess that's what everyone does. Go mainstream. Who's the other contenders?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I should say the full list. I wonder if they released it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Bald and the beautiful. That always wins. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did. There was. They had like, a whole bunch of cat. They even had like a gaming category.

[Moses Hacmon]

And we didn't have any.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

None.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my gosh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, he's wanting me to download Grindr to see it. So I don't know if I could be doing all that.

[Moses Hacmon]

But why?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't want me. Darian. Oh, look. Checking my phone. It's like me on Grindr.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's for work. Work related.

Absolutely. That's so funny. The ding goes off.

That's for work. We gotta do research.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did. There was, like, drag queens nominated for gamer at least. I'm like, yeah, give it to one of them. Movie of the year was Baby Girl.

What Sinners.

[Moses Hacmon]

None of those are gay weapons.

[Trisha Paytas]

Weapons was in.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, K Pop Demon Hunters.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's like the Oscars.

A little bit.

[Trisha Paytas]

More competitive, I think.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, what the hell is going on?

[Moses Hacmon]

Why did they put, like, what was gay this year for film? There'd be some gay movies out.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like Wicked is. I mean, pretty gay. I mean, everyone wants Galfie to be a thing, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

They really. Yeah, they never really had a gay relationship in there. They say it's all queer, but we haven't seen one yet.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's just our fan implied at least. Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

One thing. In the whole world of Oz, they probably should have had some queer couples.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I see. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like nobody. Madam Warble.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah. Organ or even flying monkey make one of them gay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, they definitely were. You remember that monkey at the beginning that had Glinda's jacket?

[Trisha Paytas]

Glinda's, yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

That monkey was living.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. They should. I'm. I'm going to say they to be safe.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah, that's right. We. Their pronouns out there. They were living their best life.

[Trisha Paytas]

God, I can't find the full nominations, but just know that we were not on there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. It is sad. Maybe you should. Do you follow Grindr? I feel like maybe that'll get you in good.

[Moses Hacmon]

Should I tweet them right now?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you should.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, Jonathan Bailey and David Corn Sweat are doing actors on Actors. Did you see that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. That's a very Tricia Oscar. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

We produced it ourselves.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. That's very suspicious. I saw that right when I got open my.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's very suspicious.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's trending for me. Does Grinder have a freaking.

[Trisha Paytas]

They have an Instagram and they have no Twitter. They do just at Grind. Are you spelling Grindr right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, of course.

Wait I don't understand, though. It doesn't come up. Maybe it's. It's shadow bands.

[Trisha Paytas]

They blocked you.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's. I don't see it. Is it just at. At G R I N D R?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Grindr blocked you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Stop. I don't see it. No, wait, let me look. That's so weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

Literally, when I type in Grinder, my, like, tweet for hottest men of 2024, according Grinder, I'm like, grindr gets it. Like, that's the thing. But, like, I don't understand because. Are you sure?

[Trisha Paytas]

Positive.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm trying to find, like, at.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm gonna text. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I see at Grindr. Oh, okay. No, they follow me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, work. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. I haven't tweeted in, like, literally a month.

[Trisha Paytas]

Your first year in a year being.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, what do I say? Like, where's our nom.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

Wow. Dan and Phil got nominated. That makes sense. Good for them. But I'm a little jealous.

[Moses Hacmon]

We'll see if we get an update. Yeah, we'll see if we get a statement. All right. John Bailey and David Corns. All right. What a great.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's.

[Moses Hacmon]

What a great duo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. The gay over at Variety is really. Yeah, they really stepped up to the plate.

[Moses Hacmon]

Grinder, kudos.

Grinder could never. Any thoughts on that, babe? On Grindr's nominations?

[Oscar Crave]

Zero.

I'm not touching that. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, no, we have to get in their good graces, so.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe you should download it as a.

To show that you're. You're supporting.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'll download the support. I will.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, that is such a good Patreon. You creating a Grindr account and see.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who hits me up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

As myself.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I would love to. I love when there's, like, when girls making accounts on there. Not. And they just, like, want to make friends. I think that's funny.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do they do that?

[Trisha Paytas]

I've seen it on Twitter. Like, people will post screenshots of, like, talking to, like, a woman on there that just wants, like, have a gay. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I thought she does more. Yeah, I do need more gays.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Why not? Can never have enough.

[Moses Hacmon]

Truly.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's gonna be a Patreon.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have so many good Patreon. Not so many. I have a few.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. I like the so many, though. I like the so many.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a good. Now I'm gonna add that to the list. I thought busting out the green screen again. And then we get assigned, like, acting roles, and then we do, like, a acting scenes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, Improv or, like, scripted.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was going back and forth between the two because I feel like we could slay both.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm in my acting era. I definitely could act these days.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, we assign, like, we pick up, like, roles, and then we act something. Act scenes out. Very. Like my high school drama class.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's love.

[Trisha Paytas]

That inspired me.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do we have a green screen?

[Trisha Paytas]

I have one, too. Oh, yeah, you from ASMR days. Because you were really.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know where those are.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were everywhere.

[Oscar Crave]

I know where they are.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Where we set it up, where we do our desk stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, why not?

[Moses Hacmon]

Are we doing it standing up or sitting down?

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess it depends what the scene is.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like that. That's a great idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then I was Inspired by Jen McAllister, but she did a video, strangers Buy Me wigs. And I really like that idea of just having stranger bias wigs. Or caveat me. You putting me in your wigs just to try them on in public? No, just here.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, but I mean, like, strangers in public.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no. Like a post. Me going and buying.

[Oscar Crave]

Like, you.

[Moses Hacmon]

You just say five wigs.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And they pick out the wigs for.

[Moses Hacmon]

You from, like, a Target or, like, a wig store.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think like a wig store. I don't know if Target has wigs like that.

[Oscar Crave]

It'd be costing zero.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, we like.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Costume store.

[Moses Hacmon]

Then we just get clown wigs or something. That's what you have to wear so many wigs. That's a good one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You have a lot of wings. That's kind of what I've been cooking up, so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Which ones are we doing today?

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like we have to do Escape the Night because I really want to watch it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is it out?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's been out.

[Moses Hacmon]

What does keep the night to me? Yes. Oh, what? He sold it and it's out already. Oh, my God. That happened all in, like, in a week. He's, like. He was so out.

[Oscar Crave]

He's keeping it in the vault until they make the final payment.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my gosh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. That's so. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, no one's talking about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've seen people talk about.

[Moses Hacmon]

I've seen zero clips. That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've seen clips. So you're right. He's, like, blocking it from being click. They. We have to do it your way of, like, filming the screen.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And just not showing them. What's the word on the street? You said you've heard the buzz or you've heard people talking about it?

[Trisha Paytas]

I heard people Talking about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

What do they say, though?

[Trisha Paytas]

I haven't seen a review like on Rotten Tomatoes.

[Moses Hacmon]

But, like, what are they saying?

[Trisha Paytas]

That they want more. They want more.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is this Joey that you're following?

Joey's like, we need more. Okay, but there's only like five people on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it's short. It's only like, it's like a short.

It's I guess three episodes, one movie. Like it's. I think it's like three 20 minute or less. Like 15, 20 minute.

[Moses Hacmon]

Damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And he really got that two bag for that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Again, we don't know the logistics of the deal. I don't think it was like anything crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's all you got? That we're doing a horror film. One hour. Call it Taylor, our editor. Get the Trish talk. Screen. Screen going.

[Trisha Paytas]

Moses could really actually turn out a horror film. Like, like all the props, like the set design and stuff.

[Oscar Crave]

We have everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

You would write and direct it.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, I'm not kidding. I feel like I could really do a horror film.

[Trisha Paytas]

I genuinely think so.

[Moses Hacmon]

90 minutes, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sure.

[Oscar Crave]

Even shorter.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You could do it. Yeah.

[Oscar Crave]

For that kind of a movie.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna sell Chewb.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar Crave]

Words. Because I think the nice thing is like, because if you start. It is like you start like, you know, you go filming ASMR and then suddenly things starts happening.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, you have your own horror movie planned out.

[Oscar Crave]

I just think the incorporation of ASMR and horror is so good because it just tickles.

[Moses Hacmon]

Moses always loves the asmr.

[Trisha Paytas]

Anything.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's just like, okay, okay. Not my idea, but I have an idea. I have an idea. Cook him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Gay Horror Tavern Maids. Yeah, that's the name. Oscar And Jimmy, get your Tavern Maid outfits on. I need you this weekend. 48 hour shoe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I feel like we could turn that out. And if that doesn't get a grind, get us a Grindr nomination.

[Moses Hacmon]

Then we're done.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love this idea. Wow. You know what? Joey's really inspired me. He sold. He sold a three episode, 20 minutes each to 2pm I'm gonna do that. That could have been our church. Let's sell trish talks to 2B. How about that?

[Oscar Crave]

We're holding back the castle.

[Moses Hacmon]

We actually have two more that had never been seen to be your move. If you want Trish Talks, we have two. I'll make a third one with Oscar. It gets ready.

[Trisha Paytas]

My dream. Yeah. I would love to be in a Trish Talk. I feel like I've been, like, getting.

[Moses Hacmon]

Ready for it your whole life.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's gonna happen. Oh, my God, I'm so excited. Honestly. No, seriously, like, good for him. It is. It is amazing. Like, I love. I do love it. I was talking about this on that level yesterday, too. Like, and I'm not even saying this sarcastically, because I am that person too. Or it's like, what do you mean? Like, you're on Broadway. What do you mean? You, like, sold this, like, thing to. To be, like. You know, I guess it was pretty popular, so I'm not even trying to dog on it. But even, like, when you love it, who's super popular? Like, she just got casted on Broadway as Roxy Hart in Chicago. My dream role. And I was just like. But I was, like, so happy for her because I was like, damn. She really did, like, come so far. Like, people just, like, hating on her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Remember even her, like, dancing in the. In the nicu. Like, I mean, granted, like, maybe it was, like, nab. Great take back then. But it's like, damn, she came so far. Like, she's kind of like. She's, like, on Broadway now. From there, it's cool to see. Inspiring.

[Oscar Crave]

I like it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like stories like that. And Joey, too.

Me too. I'm in that category, too. So I don't want anyone to be like, oh, my God. But it's just. It's just some wild. I'm sure that's what people think about me being on, like, Broadway is like, what is happening? We don't know. We're in the Upside down.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Very bad. Yeah. I think you. And Euphoria, too, was also like. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Those moments.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just wait till you see it. That's really. Me, too. I don't even know what I was doing. People ask me. I don't actually know. I'm not sure what part of it I fell into, but I'm there.

I was just so confused, but not confused on my part.

[Trisha Paytas]

But, yeah. As to how you got there? The situation?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I think just everything. Like, I didn't know where my. Where I was dropped into, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, work.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I was there. I gave it my all.

[Trisha Paytas]

Damn. It makes me. Speaking upside down, I just. I just envision you in the upside down, like, with Vecna somehow. And I'm like. Like, we were kind of robbed of.

[Moses Hacmon]

You being no in Stranger Things. I would say no to that.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you would not have Netflix's number one show in the world, 60 million viewers.

[Moses Hacmon]

No. But I don't get it. I don't get It.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's what kind of make it more iconic.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah. No, you know, what can I tell you? I think that's why I did so well in Euphoria is because I don't know Euphoria. So I think I did so well.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I was baggage going into it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I was like, oh, this is nothing. Of course I'm tested in this. You know, I think if I, like, was obsessed with something, what am I obsessed with that I could not do? Nothing. Beetlejuice. I did, and I was obsessed with it.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah. I mean, there's nothing you can't do.

[Moses Hacmon]

Can I say my audition for that one big movie I didn't get, or no, you think I can't say it yet.

[Oscar Crave]

I think when the movie's out, it's proper to talk about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I have so many more notes on that I want to talk about. It's so hard for me not to talk about. Like, I found some new developments about it. I know. Okay, okay. Nothing bad, but I just. I feel like he would be gagged by it. But.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah. But professional.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, you're right. You're right, you're right. I shouldn't. That's probably annoying when it's like, who did that recently? Someone's like, oh, I was going to get that part. I don't remember.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, speaking of stranger things, Millie Bobby. Oh, well, Millie, formerly Millie Bobby Brown, announced that she changed her name to Millie Bonnie Bon Jovi.

[Moses Hacmon]

Millie Bon Bon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like it.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then. But it did remind me of, like, Ashley Tisdale also is going by her married name now. Like, she legally changed, like, all her businesses as well. I forget what her new last name is. Let me look it up.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, it's not memorable.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it wasn't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Everyone was like, Tisdale's so iconic.

[Trisha Paytas]

French. French is a good last name, but Ashley Tisdale really is.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, you can't. You just can't. You can't.

[Oscar Crave]

When everyone knows you as a certain name, you don't change that. Like, you don't.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, that's crazy. That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So, like, I get maybe, like, her personal life, but why are you changing your business names to that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's what people were like. No, like, a lot of fans. When that. And Ashley announced hers, a lot of fans were like, no, but like, Ashley Tisdale is such a iconic.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's. She's iconic. And that name's like. And yeah, that's the craziest thing I've heard.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know Same. I go back and forth because I'm like, yeah, go by whatever name you want. But then I'm also like, wait, but no.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, no, but no, no, never. I would never change my Natricia Hackman. I am just a paytas Hackman in, like, real life, in legality.

[Trisha Paytas]

But stage name. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just pay this forever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, like, because even, like, yeah, professional stage name is. Has changed. And I guess for Millie, too. I guess. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

So she's no longer. She's not gonna go by Millie Black Brown.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess we'll see what she ends up like, like her next film credit, you know, because what if it's.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's.

[Trisha Paytas]

It could be a thing where it's like, you know, legally.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's just going by that, I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, Courtney Cox did it. Courtney Car's kit.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. But these.

[Moses Hacmon]

But Jennifer Anson didn't even do Jennifer Pitt. So I think we don't need to, like, change our names.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So I guess we'll see whatever the next credit. Because even, like, Ariana Grande, like, in Wicked, she went by, like, on the credits went by, like, Ariana Grande Butera. But, like, people are still calling her just Ariana Grande. Her dad's last name. Oh, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or that's weird. She, like, went backwards.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I guess for the credit, she wanted to, like, have him be, like, included in it. Almost like, as an homage, like, her dad's side of the family, like, add his last name.

[Moses Hacmon]

How come she never had that before?

[Trisha Paytas]

Because, like, her stage name. Yeah. Like, as a artist, Ariana Grande is an iconic.

[Moses Hacmon]

I see. So like, Malibu Barbie paid his Hackman could go by Malibu Paytas.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's kind of like, that's easy. It's like if Malibu was ended up being like, a pop star or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

She goes by Malibu Barbie Paytas. But then when she gets to Oscar nomination.

All the Hackmans out there, so they know that I'm one of them too. I like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But there is something to say about, like, I don't know when you're so iconic and you have such a legacy, just changing your name, like, but, like, her handles change too. But it's also like, your life.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's what I feel. I also, like, that's kind of bad. So you're just like, well, you're gonna know me as Ashley French now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I like it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, actually, I like it, actually. Yeah, I like that. That's actually even more bad. Like, one day I just go by, like, a completely different name. I'M Ashley Olsen.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I don't know if you can take that one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I'm. Yeah, no, I would take it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You couldn't use it on like a. Like you can't be in SAG AFTRA and use Ashley Olsen. Olsen.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just in my day to day life.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. I see what you mean.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

I'll be Oscar Olsen.

[Trisha Paytas]

That actually would be kind of fierce. That's a good name. I get very, like, whenever I see another Oscar who's like, really.

Successful. What's his name? Oscar Isaac. Like seeing Oscar Isaac, the actor.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, which one is he? The one from White Lotus?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, that's Jason Isaacs.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my gosh. There's so many that also Isaac, he is.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's in Frankenstein with Jacob Elorge. He was in Star Wars.

[Moses Hacmon]

Irish.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, he's Latino.

He was in something with Pedro Pascal. I forget what, but they're like really good friends. Oscar Isaac, but he's like, very successful. He's like hot. And I'm like, every time he's around, I'm like, you're the superior Oscar, you know, so you would be the superior Oscar and I'd be insecure probably to.

[Moses Hacmon]

Meet with Trisha Yearwood, see her on Food Network. I'm like, ah, you are the superior Trisha. You married Garth Brooks. It is tough when someone has the same name as you. So I made sure to pick names that nobody else would have for my kids. You don't have to feel incompetent.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't have that complex. Yeah, I don't know if that's a normal thing. It's a, a me thing. And I'm a normal, like, I'm not normal actor or anything, you know? But yeah, it's just a. Yeah. When I see like an Oscar who's like, hotter, more successful, I'm like, damn.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really interesting. What about an Oscar that's not as hot?

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, I'm superior. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Like in the Office, that Oscar, you're like, well, I'm younger than you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, the. The show. The Office. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, I can win that Oscar war, you know, but whatever happened to.

[Moses Hacmon]

That Office spin off the paper?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. It kind of came and went, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It was so great. And then never heard about it again.

[Oscar Crave]

It's probably just still there. Some people watch it, some people don't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Nobody watches it that I know at all.

I want Steve Crawl, my horror film. And I was just thinking, you look like Steve Crawl a little bit.

[Trisha Paytas]

This Cops is getting Very.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know, I know. I'm just thinking, like, broad who. You know, the. The. The network casting, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Steve Crowell might be up there, but maybe Moses has. Steve Carell could be better.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yeah, that's a little bit more nepotism. Casting couch, though. Like, wow. Would Moses have to audition?

[Moses Hacmon]

No. But also, he's no budget. I give the Joey Grace.

[Oscar Crave]

Ingredients that then I cook into food.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, he's doing. He's doing a favor. I'll turn you into pasta. Like the freaking Jack Krasinski. That's kind of funny, actually. I like that.

[Oscar Crave]

Well, then I think, yeah, you love me equally.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know what?

[Oscar Crave]

You love pasta. So I'll feel I love it a little more.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think this wig is squeezing my head a little tight. Anyways, it's fine.

[Oscar Crave]

Do you want to release it in the back?

[Moses Hacmon]

It's my horror movie. As my wig squeezes, my head pops and explodes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then you stab your eggs.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's a good one. That's a good one.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was your idea?

[Moses Hacmon]

You're right.

All of it. I just am just body, heart, body horror to myself called special effects person.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, More Stranger Things related drama.

[Moses Hacmon]

Spoilers are coming. Spoilers are coming. Spoiler, get out now. Spoiler alert. Three, two, one. Spoiler warning.

[Trisha Paytas]

Lara from Cat's Eye. It was a whole viral debacle because she was. Did a live stream on weverse and she said that, like, she likes Stranger Things and said that she thought Will, who's played by Noah Schnapp, is hot. And then everyone was trying to cancel her for it because no one likes Noah Schnapp because he went on a whole, like, Zionist tirade.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I'm like. And I felt so bad for. I feel so bad for all the Cat's Eye girls. Yes, I'm biased. But also, like, they are in the position of, like.

They'Re obviously artists. But I think their come up was very much, like, so directly with fans. Like, they're so accessible to fans because they're always, like, like, on social media. They're always, like, on live streams and stuff. So, like, the parasocial relationship is very fierce with them. But so, like, I feel like they're holding them to such a crazy standard because, like, what do you mean? Everyone's so upset that she just said the character. She liked the character. She thought the character looked hot when he had powers.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I thought that she meant no shot.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, she just said, like, he looked hot because she was talking about his powers at the end and it was.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, what's his powers.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's becomes. Spoiler song incoming. But.

He.

You know. You know. You know Voldemort, Harry Potter.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

How they're connected.

[Moses Hacmon]

Him and no shop.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, Vecna and Noah Schnapp are connected. Like Harry Potter and Voldemort are connected.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, that's the twist.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's the twist. And he finally, like, is hot. Like, he finally does something because the whole show is kind of crying the whole time. He finally, like, like, you know, steps up and saves the day. And then she just said that he was hot and everyone was, like, trying to cancel her for, like, hardcore. And then she had it. She issued a statement being like, no, like, you guys. I didn't know. I was just saying, I like the character. And then people were still trying to cancel her for it, and I just felt so bad. And it was so viral. It was like, on Pop Crave. It was all over the place. And everyone was so upset at her. And it made me so sad.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, the show's, like, really popular, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

So it's like 59 million people watch the first four episodes, and it hasn't even been a full week. So that was like the. The over the holiday.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You.

[Moses Hacmon]

And she's not like, I stand behind Noah Schnapp.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And I feel like expecting her to be, like, to know everything that's going on is, like, how, you know, Like, I feel like it wasn't mainstream news. Like, obviously, for chronically, like, if you're on Twitter, like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, Twitter will let you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Let you know.

[Moses Hacmon]

But she seems pretty busy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because in the time, too, she was in the Cat, like, the Pop Star Academy, they wouldn't even have phones.

[Moses Hacmon]

So, like, she missed. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I think, yeah, she thought a character was hot because he did hot stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And it has. I don't know. It doesn't reflect, like, real life. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

They better not get a hate train. Cat's eyes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nobody's really been getting one. It's been that bad. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're like Gap campaign. I was like, we are loving cat size again.

[Trisha Paytas]

What? The same with, like, Wicked. Like, it's so popular, so mainstream. And then the Grammy nomination, too, that everyone. It's like turning them. I know my girls. Manon went on Live too, and was saying how, like, she has been getting to her because she feels like some people think that they can say the stuff and they won't see it. And, like, it kind of takes away their humanity a little.

[Moses Hacmon]

Bit.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I am scared for these girls because, again, like, they're on that weird, fine line, like, they're artists and celebrities, but they blew up so fast and they're so accessible and they're, like, on social media a lot. And, like, they're talking to their fans a lot, which is good. But now they're getting so big that I'm like, we might have to start.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's what happens. Look at Addison Rae. She just, like, went. She's like, I'm not talking to anyone. Yes. Everyone needs to stop doing this.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. And then people wonder why artists get so closed off. It's because everyone gets too parasocial and mean.

[Moses Hacmon]

True. The mean part, yes. I think you're parasocial.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, we are supportive. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. You're my sis. We love ma'. Am. I know there's something like that. I mean, I feel like I get it, but I was like, it's a character. She, like, try to clarify. You're like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, that's why. That was my advice.

[Moses Hacmon]

She tried.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, laura, listen, girl. All of them, all of the cats, if they're listening, don't even. For something like that, don't even try to clarify your statement, girl, because it's not even worth it. Like, people who were mad at you just wanted to find something to be upset about.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, that's why people don't do interviews.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Honestly, it's like.

And she just said it because, like, she was getting so much hate that she just, like, wrote a quick, like, comment and, like. And the. On her weavers, which is, like, their own social media app or whatever. But I know they're their own. Yeah. It's, like, by the label, like, because the label has, like, a lot of K pop acts like that. But I'm like, girl, don't even try to clarify because you did nothing wrong. You did nothing wrong, girl.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I'm with you on that one.

[Trisha Paytas]

The hate trains have got. We gotta put the break. Like, I'm gonna stand in front of it. I will stand in front of. On the tracks of every hate train against a woman and stop them. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I think it's just, like, young, hot, rising stars.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's so weird that I feel like the universe almost wants to, like, humble women, like, whenever they get some kind of acclaim and. Yeah, very weird. It's very, very weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. You can't be, like, too pretty, too hot, too famous.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Or just even, like, have too many opportunities or I guess, really any opportunity.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just get so Mad. It's so odd.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's why I'll stay fat. It humbles me. I don't need anyone to humb me. I was like, well, society already is like.

Just rationalizing why I'm not doing Ozempic. You know, I think I'll just stay this way because, you know, I don't think you see many fat people get a hate train. John Wayne Gacy deserved as he should.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because he was really doing some heinous things to those kids. I think you're right. My trainer today told me, because I haven't. I have. I'm working out three days a week now, and my. The girl I train with is trying to train less, so I couldn't do her. So I have another trainer, and this is only our second session together, but he's like, oh, I saw your Instagram and I did a brand deal for GLP1s. He's like, so you're on GLP1s? And I'm like, yeah. He's like, you're kind of a good face for it because you don't have that gaunt look to you. And I was like, oh, thank you, Santiago. That is such a nice thing to say.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, this is the new one.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is the new one. Yes, yes. Up.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's. Yeah, that is a very nice thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like, yep.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is such a weird one because everyone's like, that got face. But many people want, like, I would love a God face. Right. That means, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, because I feel like when you see, like when you see someone who's like, like. I'm not gonna say anyone's names, but even though they've been public about being on GLP1, so I'm still not gonna say.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right, right.

[Trisha Paytas]

But it is, like, kind of shocking, you know?

[Moses Hacmon]

I see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because you kind of just. You age a lot when you don't have, like, enough. You have. Yeah. Tea. So fat. Yeah. So.

[Moses Hacmon]

So he's like, you're perfect because you look healthy. You do. It is true. Like, you definitely tell you, like, lost weight, but you don't look.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he was kind of brun.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Literally our second session, cuz he was like. So he's like, you do anything else? And I'm like, like, what? He's like, like that testy. And I was like, huh, Testosterone. He's like, very, bro.

[Moses Hacmon]

That testy.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like, very. He's a kind of a character.

[Oscar Crave]

You think croids?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's the juice. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

The juice is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I Think that's what he was getting at. I was like, no, I'm not all.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's giving you all these compliments. He's like, your face looks nice.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. He's kind of like my bro. It's kind of funny.

[Moses Hacmon]

Hey, that's cute.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like that he's a character. He's like, he kind of does. He has a similar personality to my brother. He kind of is like skater, but, like, he's a power lifter too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I didn't want like a, like a hot straight guy trainer, but he was kind of all that was left because my other train I have. I have my girl trainer. And then I wanted to add another a second day. And then she recommended this, like, Russian guy who's like. He's like, older. He's married to a woman. He's like, skinny but strong. And then I wanted out a third day on Wednesdays.

[Moses Hacmon]

You had three trainers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, three. Now I have three trainers. And then the Russian guy is off Wednesday, so he recommended me to Santiago. So that's where I'm at.

[Moses Hacmon]

Hello. So the name is Santiago?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But I really didn't want a hot trainer especially.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, he's hot.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like a hot straight trainer. And I just. I like having a girl trainer because, like, there's no pressure. Like, I don't have to look a certain way or whatever. Or like, in my head, I get really competitive with guys because I'm like, I'm stronger than you think I am.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I see.

[Oscar Crave]

I see.

[Moses Hacmon]

You don't want that competition to happen.

[Trisha Paytas]

But, you know, he's. He's breaking the great. He's breaking the straight stereotypes I have of guys.

[Moses Hacmon]

So no one has ever been able to broke a straight hair stereotype. For me, everyone is just the same. They're all equally.

[Trisha Paytas]

What about like a makoa? I feel he's like a good straight guy.

[Moses Hacmon]

He is.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm trying to think of other good straight guys.

[Moses Hacmon]

No one else.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I guess the 10 NIM is in.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yes. Spoiler alert. If you come to Trishmas, but Oscar's Christmas wishes to have a tennis.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I thought you were gonna say. I thought you were saying to me, spoiler alert. When you come to Trishmas, Ted Nivison is going to be there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, figure it out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. My stomach was like, oh, that would.

[Moses Hacmon]

Be a great surprise. Damn, I gotta figure it out. I had text him. Damn it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, my stomach dropped.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was like, your video is so wild. Actually, everyone says Jimmy's too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I didn't really know for like the. The Trish. The Trishmas wish prompt. Like, I was. It was kind of generic. And I was like, okay. I didn't know like, how there's no direction. Yeah, just a cute video of like, what you what your Trishma's wish would be horizontal was the only direction.

[Moses Hacmon]

See, I didn't get directed. Someone be sending it vertical. And I was like, wait, okay, I get it. But I was like, okay, let me clarify.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then I was like, okay, well, what would I want? And I wanted, like, you were inspiring me with your answer at the Wicked premiere when if for the Wizard's wish, I was like, that's a beautiful answer. So I wanted. I wanted to reheat your nachos a little bit. But then I was like, but I would also want Trisha to be on the White Lotus.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was so crazy. I love. That is like the most popular show in the whole world. You're like, there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just see it. I don't like, it's so clear in my head. And my God, it's like, damn White Lotus films for a long time. So I'm not sure how that would work. Like, because I would have to, I guess, zoom into France.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because that's like a fly into France.

[Trisha Paytas]

But it's like an eight month shoot. The White Lotus.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, then you'll be flying a lot.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I was thinking about that we could zoom.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I do hate a zoom. Like, that feels like a zoom. It feels like a zoom and people are just watching you. Like, it doesn't be like a podcast. It's like we're over, like in on their FaceTime call or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it is odd.

[Oscar Crave]

You heard a new branch for Entertainment Tonight in France.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. And just like, move. Yeah.

[Oscar Crave]

Like Emily in Paris.

[Moses Hacmon]

Leave of absence.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Where.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Trisha Paytas]

So why not?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then just leave.

And be absent.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

Actually, I'm just gone.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then I was like, well, I feel like it's weird if I don't have a wish for me. So then I was like, okay, then.

[Moses Hacmon]

Ted, that was so funny. That was so random. I was like, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

And my little twilight shirt. I was gonna. Yeah, it was something.

[Moses Hacmon]

We should have him back. One of our guests canceled for next week. Undercut is available.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, let me DM him. Although, my God, I did flake on him. Well, I didn't flake because I didn't respond. Oh, I didn't like like, commit. I didn't commit cuz he was directing a music video and he's like, oh, I'm looking for extras. I'm asking my friends to friends to be ex. This music video I'm directing. But it was the day I. It was like a Wednesday and it was like all day and I'm working and I'm like, you can't. I'll try out because I'm working. But like, when, where, when and where? And then he told me when it was like downtown la, literally like the whole work day. And I was like, I couldn't break his heart. So then I just. Just didn't open the dm.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's kind of crazy. I feel like if Gerard was like, I need you to be an extra, but it's a Monday when you shoot the podcast. I'm like, bye, I need to go, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

But it wasn't his video. It was like he was directing for like a band.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, but that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

But also he's gonna be in director mode, so I can't even really key with him because, like, I feel like when you're directing, it's serious. You would know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me and Sam Ovenson keyed about the Idol for two hours, like literally too. I was like, are we like filming shop? We just KE about the item. He's telling me some behind the scenes. That's telling my favorite part. That's telling what I would do for season two.

[Trisha Paytas]

Damn. So I. Yeah, I guess I had. But I mean, but my. Actually my rationale was like, if I couldn't like just miss work to go to New York for Beetlejuice, then I can't just miss work for New York.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like you'd put Tennificent above Beetlejuice.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I would 100% choose Beetlejuice over Ted Nivicin. I feel like I could hang out with Ted Nivison kind of if I asked. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

But you just don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

Exactly.

[Moses Hacmon]

Sunday, Monday, you could hang out with him.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just, I get too, you know, anxious about it. But here it's like thing and like you're here. You're kind of like a good buffer, you know, so.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's true. Okay. Yeah, next week, ask him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

We had a really good guest first week and I'm really sad. I did like, he's busy, I get it. But I was like, really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was like, dang, God, I keep getting guest canceled. That's why I've really gone to like the two Hot Topics because I do love a guest, but guests are just.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's hard. Yeah. People get really, really booked.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, yeah. I mean you same with like, you know, even as people wanting to book you, your schedule keeps changing all the time.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know what I mean?

[Oscar Crave]

The Carlos. Sure. We get to Christmas, New Year, people are just not working.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's true.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like bye.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But you know, 10 newison is always a good. Possibly and always a good guest. Yeah. My Christmas wish coming true. Wow, you met.

[Moses Hacmon]

You really manifested.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

White Lotus.

[Trisha Paytas]

White Lotus next.

[Moses Hacmon]

If you see me on a boat in France, you might know what I'm filming.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. If you were like less busy and also had like less kids, it would be so funny. If you just went to France just to troll and like me recording you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like secretly like popping like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. And then an anonymous like tipping account to Trish spotted Trisha Paytas filming what appears to be the White Lotus in France.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is so funny. Then it comes out and it's never happened. Then you're just like a liar. And then people like, you're hating. You're just like mentally ill. You're just a little weird. Actually my horror will be over there in France. Would love. Would love.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, but he was just filming Survivor, so maybe that's why he. We haven't heard any White Lotus updates.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, they were casting. That was the last update that was out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, there was a casting.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, like they said they are currently casting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, like when was that?

[Moses Hacmon]

It was when I was in New York.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, so it's going on right now. So you're not out of the.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm out of considerate. I'm telling you that right now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, you're not.

[Moses Hacmon]

I am considered.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

By the universe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Exactly.

[Moses Hacmon]

They just don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're not not considered.

[Moses Hacmon]

We don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I just haven't heard. Maybe Oscar's third. He's manifested. Moses has a really good Christmas wish too. During the show. But you have to come see the show. We're not going to give it away.

[Oscar Crave]

No spoilers.

[Moses Hacmon]

No spoilers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oscar Crave already leaked all our wishes.

[Moses Hacmon]

But.

Oscar Crave, that's the exclusive to the Trishmas show.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is funny. Did he.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is the whole thing up there?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's how I saw it all.

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't know that. I just took little cute pictures of you guys. Cuz you guys are on the big screen. I was like, oh, this is so cute.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was cute yesterday.

[Moses Hacmon]

T was like I'm getting my Christmas wish to you. This week. And I was like, girl, girl, it's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Past the cut off the shot.

[Moses Hacmon]

I even texted like, the day before the cut off. I was like, hey, tomorrow if you can. Then yesterday she said, I'm gonna get that for you. Like, it's going. Trisha's is happening, but that's why we love her. She's booked and busy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I guess Influencer News ish. Gabbie Hanna finally posted her wedding photos, which I thought was lovely.

[Moses Hacmon]

She did?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. And she got married in May. And we talked about it a while ago because I guess the photographer.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God. I want to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just posted like, their work and back in. It was a while ago back in, I think May. Yeah. And people kind of found like, her wedding photos and people, like, found her register.

[Moses Hacmon]

I do remember that.

[Oscar Crave]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

But she. On November 30, she shared her photos to Robbie Croner.

[Moses Hacmon]

Let me see. Oh, my gosh, it's so exciting.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

It made me a little emotional.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, well, you've come a long way. I'm happy for you, you know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I feel like she is another one too. That was always, like, looking for love. And oh, my God, yesterday I saw.

[Oscar Crave]

A video for Proposal just came up. It was really sweet and she looked really happy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. And she's hyphenated. She is Gabbie Hannah Kroner. She did not do Gabby. Gabby Kroner. She's like, I'm gonna hyphenate.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, Gabbie Hannah is also a really good name too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. Gabby Hannah is, like, just catchy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Can we chose? I don't know if we show them, Blur them? I guess not. Go to her page if you want to see them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, well, people use their. Her photos in their story, so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, really?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's how I found it. People magazine? Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, People.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

People has everything. Wow.

[Oscar Crave]

You know how it is with wedding photographers. Like, you never know. We use their photo and suddenly you get the whole.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, wedding photographers are always dicey.

[Oscar Crave]

Are the worst.

[Moses Hacmon]

They are ours. Yeah. Yeah, they are. They literally held ours hostage. They said, you cannot have your own photos. And I was like, what? Okay, let's go see what if a grinder.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, did they reply?

[Moses Hacmon]

Let's see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I posted and. Oh, my God, all of it's a Spotify rap. Okay, hold on, let me see.

Oh, yeah, People are posting a Spotify wrap. Yeah. Someone said a literal icon with a song called Gay and they couldn't recognize you. That's what I'm saying at Grinder. What the. Someone needs to get fired for this mistake.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it's like a crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

They went crazy. Twitter does go crazy like that. Yeah, it's okay. They haven't responded, but it's fine.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we'll give them some time.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, don't send hate to Grindr. Yeah, they're doing good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe that's what'll get us nominated. We just do that campaign for no reason. Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

That's our Patreon. We should recreate iconic anti.

[Trisha Paytas]

Anti Gay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Anti.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, let's. Anti gay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Anti Anti gay.

[Oscar Crave]

But that would be that. That. That the Trish talk that you're in. So Patreon. You guys can write it together. You guys can write it together on Patreon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Good idea.

[Moses Hacmon]

But then there's like. The Trish talks are a little dicey because in order to show your message at the end, you have to. You have to show the act. That is bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

True.

[Moses Hacmon]

So just me and Moses, like, bullying you for being gay.

[Oscar Crave]

Wait, and then at the end it's.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, don't do that. But then people take it out of context and then it's just like, you're screwed. Like, move over, gay boy. Maybe we'll have Jimmy be the one to bully you. No ant. No gay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why can't I bully Jimmy?

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, that might. Well, that seems mean.

[Oscar Crave]

You can also bully yourself. Cuz we cut the editing. You can play.

Villain, Oscar.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I do kind of love that.

[Oscar Crave]

You can play the mask like your. You know, when you do the straight character.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Oh, that's fun.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's a good idea. Yeah, that's good.

[Oscar Crave]

Maybe bully yourself in the gym. No gym here.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. Just that gym is crazy. It's not hardly a gym. It's a gym where I fell off.

[Trisha Paytas]

The treadmill that has gym equipment. Therefore it's a gym technically.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Oscar Crave]

It's like a garage band. It's a garage.

[Moses Hacmon]

Garage gym. It's a literal. Literal garage gym. Wait, what was the topic?

[Trisha Paytas]

Gabbie Hannah's wedding. Congratulations.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, that's really exciting. I just like people, you know.

Being happy, being in love.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Especially people who went through really volatile.

I mean, how did she ever say, like, what she was experiencing? Like when she was doing those tick tocks. Right. She kind of just like went off silence offline after that.

[Moses Hacmon]

But it, like, worked for her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but clearly it was like some sort of mental thing. Yeah, because it was just like. I mean, it was. It was pretty apparent, you know? But I do always love that because I think it Gives. I mean, similar to you. Like, I think it gives people something to aspire to because I think when you are in the epicenter of, like, some kind of mental health crisis, it does feel like there is no end in sight. Like, it feels like, what's the point? Because it's like, I'm always gonna be, like, stuck with this brain. Like, that's the one thing that, like, it's so hard to fix, you know? Like, I'm gonna be stuck with this brain. I'm gonna have these thoughts forever. I'm gonna have this illness forever. Like, what is the point? Yeah, I always get very excited seeing people who, like, overcome any kind of, like, mental health thing, like, whether it's, like, addiction or any kind of substance abuse or, like, EDS or, like, every. Like, seeing people overcome it. And, like. Or I think Demi Lovato, too, Like.

[Moses Hacmon]

When I see her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, been so transparent throughout, like, everything. And you've seen, like, the roller coaster as she, like, relapses and stuff. And seeing her, like, be so happy and, like, she just, like, when she was here, like, there's just, like, a light to her. And I love when people get to that point because I feel like it just gives people so much hope.

[Moses Hacmon]

I agree. I agree. Yeah. Just also, like, that stability, you know, you see someone being so unstable for song, and I put myself in that head too. It's just like, come when he finally, like, that's my. That's the thing I'm, like, most grateful for is, like, stability. And I always feel like, like, people, like, it's just like. Just having that, like, peace. And it's not up and down. It's like, oh, now what's they gonna bring? Because no matter what the day brings, I know I can, like, control my emotions. I can have peace of mind. I can, like, work through it as opposed to, like, the past. It was just like, I didn't know what the day was gonna bring. Like, am I gonna, like, have a spiral? Is it this day? It's gonna be too much for me that I can't take it anymore. And it's like, now I know that, like, I can't can take anything. So it's like seeing that peace and that calmness, like you said, with a Demi, Gabby, just whoever you like, like, or it's. Yeah. And I'm sure more people go through those, like, episodes and mania, and it just doesn't get shown online.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But like you said, if people do go through that, at least they feel like they're. They're not alone and there is a light. I always think that. I always think that for sure. So I like to see her. She looks happy and like, those photos, like, literally look like a light, you know, Demi too. She has like, a spark in her and it's fun to. It's nice to see that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And even, like, it's just like such a nice, like, full circle thing, I think, especially to the element of, like, growing up with someone and then. Yeah, it's just like, it gives you the idea, like, really anything is possible. And like, I love the idea that it's like, never too late to turn your life around. That's why for me, like, I, like, whenever we talk about people too, like, I always think of how people act like in the present day. So, like, people who are actively. Especially if you're like, mentally sane and stuff too, mentally sound like being problematic and stuff or offensive and doing bad things. That's like, one thing. But like, because I know whenever we talk about Gabby, people always like, what about this, this and this? But I'm like, she was also like, in such clearly as like, such a bad mental state, you know? And I think seeing her now, like you said, kind of have that. The stability. It's like, like, it's nice seeing someone kind of find themselves and find that stability. And that's why, like, when I see her, I don't think of, like, all the terrible stuff that she said or who she's attacked or had fights with, whatever. I'm like, I see someone like, healed and I feel like that's an amazing.

[Moses Hacmon]

And protecting, like, herself. Like, I feel like that is such a big thing because I think, like, so many people exploit themselves and it's just. And I think she was one of them. I know I was one of them. Like, you exploit yourself and you're kind of like, you feel sad for, like, seeing that because you're like, yeah, it's getting attention, it's getting views. And she'll be, oh, you know, but it helps. My music, helps us. Yeah, but at what cost? Like, you're exploiting your. Yourself and you're opening yourself up to people judging you and critiquing you and calling you crazy. And it's like the worst thing. But I love now that she's protecting herself, the fact that she posted wedding photos. Like, like, how long later? Eight months later, five months later, whatever. You know, she got married. Like, that's a big. That's a. That's like a huge step, you know, too. Just everything keeping it for yourself.

It's really nice that way. No one can, like, attack it either, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's like your thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because I think even her boyfriend, she had on the podcast, who. He seemed fine. He seemed like a medical professional or something like that. He. I think he got so much hate. It's kind of like Moses too. When I first started, like, you get so much hate sometimes when you're just like, dating that version of that person. They see mania and they're like, how can you be with that person? And whatever, but if you protect your relationship, I like that she's doing that for our mental health.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And Miley, this is like, kind of related, but, like, Miley just got engaged to. Or she is engaged and she just, like, she went to the Avatar premiere and had her ring on and her fiance was there and, like, she talked about it too. And obviously she had such a big public engagement. And then when she got married to Liam Hemsworth, like, they posted about that really quickly.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the divorce too came out. Like, that news broke and spread really quickly as well. So her whole, like, relationship time. And they met when she was like, like, so young, because when she was. She was still on Disney when she met him, so their whole, like, relationship was so public. And then when she got asked about at the Avatar premiere, she's like, I'm, like, really happy that this is, like, something that I have and, like, can keep private and keep from, like, myself. And yeah, I've learned now that I'm like, you know, 33 how to do that. And I'm like, there really is something to say about that.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is for sure. And it's like, definitely be teacher.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, I mean, yeah, some people can be super public, but, like, you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Know, like, even though we're like, both on camera, I feel like I keep a relationship public. I never am. Like, this is what happened for better or worse. I remember even when we first started, I'm like, oh, my God, Moses's penis is like, what? You know, just sharing too much. And it's like, for better or worse. Or if you have an argument, be like, I hate when guys. I hate when your husband does this, this, and this. You know what I mean? I literally have nothing to complain about. But I'm just saying, like, it is something to be said about that. That's like Bobby Altoff. Did you see her tick tock about, like, she posted her new boyfriend and just getting so many hate comments. And then I like, went to go look and I was like, God, people, I Was talking about this the other day, too. I think it was on not Loveline. And I was just like, okay. So, like, one thing I didn't know is when she. She met her husband when she was 21 and he was 30.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I didn't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Which is like, that's a huge thing onto its own. They got. They had a baby 10 months later after they met, like, so she got pregnant, like, right away. It's like, this whole thing. And I guess, yeah, she posted her new boyfriend, and everyone. All the comments are just like, you know, like, she sleeps with everyone that comes on her podcast. She gets trains run through her, like this crazy stuff. And like, I guess, like, looking at it, like, outside perspective, I'm like, I don't know. I mean, it is. That is wild. But then when you saw her, like, crying and like, the fact that they're like, you're a bad mom. You're all this. She goes, if I. If I show. She took her kids off the Internet, she doesn't show them anymore. She goes, but now that she doesn't show them, I was like, you're a bad mom. You're never with them. And she goes, but isn't that, like, protecting them? And then she was. I can't show, like, my new boyfriend without having all these, like, hate comments. And it is, like, a wild thing. It is like, just because you knew her as being married with kids and it didn't work out, and now she's, like, with someone new and what? Because she has, like, a lot of guys on her podcast. I don't know. It's like, so. It's so weird. Must be her. I'm not blaming her, but, like, maybe the audience.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so too, because she. I'm. Because with artists like Drake, I would, you know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, really. I don't know how many people shut on, but Trevor Wallace.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, I just saw these and I'm like, they probably have bro people that watch them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So I. Maybe you get, like, more of that audience. Because. Yeah, I feel like if you had more.

Because I'm trying to think of, like. Like, when early like, canceled or what. Like when Brooke and Tan were dating, like, different guys or whatever. Like, no one was like, use. You know what I mean? Like, like, good for you, girl. You know what I mean?

[Oscar Crave]

So for her, the thing is, she never had the history and the fandom true. To protect her and to be on her side.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who, Bobby?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah. Like, when you drop into the mainstream, like we talked about, but other things becoming Mainstream. The amount of hate you get from just random people that see you on Mainstream.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Oscar Crave]

So with Drake, it was a blessing and a curse. You get 5 million views, but those 5 million people are not your fans. They're there to see the interview. And they. So I see.

[Moses Hacmon]

They don't know her.

[Oscar Crave]

She didn't build an audience that supports her, so she doesn't have those voices to listen to, to be. At least I can hold on to these positive comments while people don't know her. The negative comments, I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

But that's, like, the whole point, though, right? It's like people don't know where is. Why are they even commenting?

[Oscar Crave]

Because that's part of now.

[Moses Hacmon]

These men.

[Oscar Crave]

So they're like, you know, just nowadays, hate watching and snarking and all that. Like, that's part of Entertainment Today.

[Moses Hacmon]

Those comments are so crazy, though. Like, that's like, to me, is like, so. Wow. Because it kind of comes out of nowhere, right? It's like she. Everyone, like, where does that come from?

[Oscar Crave]

I know, because her whole career, people have been making rumors, but there's nobody to support but who.

[Moses Hacmon]

I heard the Drake ones, but, like, everybody. Rain Wilson, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's just so random.

[Oscar Crave]

It is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like this is, like, the first boyfriend she's shown. I feel like it's not even like.

[Oscar Crave]

I've never seen her date anyone. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Very odd.

But, yeah. And then you're damned if you do damage. If you show the kids, it's like you're explaining them. If you don't show the kids, you're a bad mom. Where are your kids? You're never with them. Them's like. It's just like. It is. That was, like, the first. Not the first video, but I really did feel bad for her. I don't really, like, know her at all, like, anything, but I just. She's like, I just hate these comments. Like, I hate it. I don't know what to, like, do. It bothers me.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I think he's a football player. Ty Hawkins.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I believe. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So it's like. And then she's like, I know making this will make more people. Like, gives them ammo, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's what I, like, regret. The only thing I regret, like, like crying. Because it's like, then people, like, know you're vulnerable and they attack more. And that's why I remember, like, so specifically my very last public meltdown. And I was, like, really hysterical. I was really crying. I could not get a hold of myself. And people just were meaner than ever. Like, yes. It was like, a psychosis after that for, like, a week. It was, like, so crazy. And that's when I was like, I need to not post these anymore. Because, like, I thought, like, cry for help. And, like, back in the day, they used to be when I first started crying videos. Like, in, like, 2000, like, 12, maybe 2013. My shattered broken heart. I only know because I've been, like, writing my whole, like, life story, so I've been going back, and it was like, 2013 or something. And I. The comments on there were, like, really supportive. They were like, oh, my gosh. Like, I've been there, girl. Like, it was, like, a really bad breakup I had. And, like, we've been there. We said, you know, you're gonna be okay. And it was like, really comments you wanted to hear? Like, compared to. That's, like, my last, like, public meltdown. I don't know when. Like, a few years ago. No more than a few. Like, five or six years ago. And just so mean people are just, like, so nasty. Like, just all the yourselves, everything. And you're just like, damn. Like, this is what you get. This is what happens. And you're, like, wild.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is like, I remember.

Kind of a different example, but I remember Selena Gomez earlier this year, like, when ice deportations just started happening. And, like, it wasn't super widespread, but she, like, posted an Instagram. Like, an Instagram story. She was crying, and she was like, you guys, like, this is horrible. Like, what can we. Like, what can anyone do? Like, they're just, like, kidnapping people. And ever, like, not only, like, the White House, but, like, stands. Like, stands were making fun of her for crying and, like, turning her crying into, like, a meme. And she's not even crying about herself. Like, she's crying about, like, an issue in, like, the country. Like, that's affecting, like, other people. And that's when I was like, oh, my God. Like, we have really lost.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, this is crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I thought about the Bobby one, too. And the people that, like, responded. That video, I was like, they just, like, zero sympathy. Like, I get. I didn't really have feelings either way, but, like, that video, I was just like, damn. Like, she's, like, crying. She's upset. She's talking about, like, her kids and, like, just wanting to, like, move on. It's, like, insane. And then opens up like, I was 21, basically not saying it, but more or less being, like, you know, it felt like a. Like, a what I got for implications is more of like a grooming or like, just not knowing. And there was an older guy and she just, you know, it wasn't some.

[Trisha Paytas]

Power to any of that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah. And so the fact that she opened up about that, I was like. And people still have, like, no sympathy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

And also, like, that is her brand. Like, you know, she interviews people that are very opposite than her. And, you know, those are, you know, if those are the guys or whatever. But.

That'S why sometimes, like you said, staying in the own corner of girls and gays, like, I do not. That's why I don't. It would call it cross pollinate. I don't know, because I remember when I did impulsive in like 2019, I remember getting a lot of hate. Granted, 2019 was my year of hate from everyone from PewDiePie. Got tons of hate from there. I did Impulsive that year. Got tons of hate. I was like, let me just stay away, Vlog Squad.

Stay away from the straight hate.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, straight hate.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, that's what I was. I was like, oh, this is. And then I. I would imagine the Bobby Altoffs were not coming from.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I think of the girls who do, like, what I don't even know, like, collab, I guess, with, like, you know, those audiences and stuff. And it's like, very finicky. Like, Pokimane is like, she's kind of a friends with everyone kind of girl. And she gets so much hate. And. Yeah, I. I think a lot of it is, like. I think people who watch her, a lot of, like, girlies and gays. But whenever she does, like, collabs, like, other straight streamers and stuff, she gets like, such a wave of like, just like misogynistic. Yeah, he just like, for being like, not only a woman, but, like, also just like, she's femme presenting, you know, like, her aesthetic is girly.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, yeah. Like, but then there's like a vanilla maze. And I think vanilla for the most part, like, keeps her audience very girly. Gay coded. And. Yeah. But then whenever she gets like, mainstream, then obviously she gets like, the hate and stuff. But yeah, it's like that difference. Like, yeah, mainstream, but like you said earlier, like, at what cost? You know, it's. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, especially the men. The men out there, like, they're just very. Yeah. If I would go on, like, Impulsive. It's just like, who's this fat? That's how it was back then. I remember 2019. I was like, skinny and everyone was calling me fat. And I was like, damn, Jesus. And I was like, oh, I've heard that in so while. And I was like, because I'm not doing those podcasts anymore. I mean, okay, not to victim blame, but I was like, I need to not just be in that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Put yourself in this situation.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Bobby can't help but. I mean, that is literally her niche, and that's what she's good at. And that's like her people she interviews and who she likes to interview. And people are just weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, for having a boyfriend. Like, it's been a long time.

[Trisha Paytas]

And she said, what is she supposed to do? Like, never. I just don't get it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. She said her husband's, like, moved on. She has, like, a girlfriend and stuff shows. So, like, I'm not supposed to.

People are weird. But, yeah, I don't know.

Shout out. Bobby Altoff. I love how she has a new podcast. So her podcast is like, something called, like, we're doing this again or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just like, a new one. I wonder always what happens. They must have, like, a deal that's over and someone owns, like, the original ip, I guess. Yeah. And then she just, like, rebrands.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't remember what the podcast was called, but something. The one she had with Drake. Do you remember that one?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know what it was.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was like. I don't know. I can't remember either.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why is the only name I can think of unplanned, which obviously is not her?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think that's Matt Nabi.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, it is. Yeah. The new one is. Oh, the really good podcast, I think was the original.

[Moses Hacmon]

What's the new one?

[Trisha Paytas]

Not this again with Bobby. I'll talk.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I do like that name.

[Moses Hacmon]

The names are kind of crazy, but they're successful.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't mean they, like, don't roll the tongue. They don't remember them. But I guess it doesn't matter when you get a lot of views.

[Trisha Paytas]

This was a looming one for me, but no James Charles update from one of.

I'm gonna be very. James Charles is very litigious. So I'm gonna use a lot of, like, allegedly and claims and stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

What's litigious?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, it's very legal. You know, like. Like, let's do this, baby. I know the law. You know that meme.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, that's it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no. He retweeted someone. It's like, take this down. This is absolutely not funny. My lawyer will be in contact and then the person responded, let's do it, baby. I know the law.

I do love that his Twitter is at. Eh, Joven.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I have a lot of lawyers that come to Trishmas, so I always tell them I'll get there.

[Trisha Paytas]

And guess who sponsors us a lot.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. For the people law.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not today, but you can still go to them. I'm gonna be hitting Pound law if James Charles come for us. Can I tell you I'm proud when I see a Morgan and Morgan billboard, I'm like, look at them. I want to do a Morgan and Morgan billboard. That's my skin. What? White lotus don't care. Morgan and Morgan. I want to be your face. I want to be in, like, a lawyer suit.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, you would eat that up.

[Moses Hacmon]

And, like, in fine print. Could say, like, trisha's not a lawyer, but she is our face.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm Morgan and Morgan.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you even need that disclaimer?

[Moses Hacmon]

Probably not. Just put me in there. They have so many billboards on the way down to Orange county, and I want to be on one of them. Okay. James Charles.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Well, an influencer came forward with his story about James. James Charles making sexual advances on him when allegedly when he was 14 years old. And this was back in 2020. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

This is new. This came out new recently.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he. His name is Ethan Rhett. He's an influencer. He just brought this up. He. I guess he's been talking about it a couple times.

I feel like it kind of reminded me of almost like the Adam McIntyre Colleen thing where, like, you know, brought it up, but then it. It got. Originally when Adam brought up the underwear, getting sent the underwear, like, it just got, like, squashed. And, you know, he got. Adam got ridiculed. And it didn't, like, turn against Colleen until later on when there was, like, other things to corroborate it. Yeah, that's kind of what it reminds me of because he has tried talking about it a couple times. He tried talking about it back in 2020 when it was happening, because he was 14 at the time. But he was amassing like, a TikTok following, like, he had around 600,000 followers in 2020. He claims that back when he was 14, James had liked, commented, and followed him from one of his TikToks and.

Then started reaching out to him in DMS and they were having like, a back and forth in dms, allegedly. And then Ethan claims that from there they took it to snap, and on Snap, they would just. At first they were just talking Back and forth. Ethan claims that James also like FaceTimed him again at the time James would have been. James was born in 99 so he would have been 21 and Ethan was 14. So.

Yeah, Ethan claims that James would like FaceTime him and they would talk and then after a few days it would turn more aggressive. So Ethan claims that on Snap he would wake up and then see photos of James's like privates and butt and him in the shower is what Ethan says. And.

Ethan, James would ask Ethan to see like his happy trail and he says that he was 14 so he didn't have a happy trail and he was embarrassed so he said that he shaved it and that's why he didn't have like body hair.

And when Ethan says when Jane, when he wasn't returning the sexual vibe back to James that James allegedly started threatening him, it was like, well if you do or say anything then everyone's gonna know that, that you're gay and like you're in the closet, etc. Etc. Yeah. So these are all the claims. So there's been a few times he again tried this to come out with this when he was younger at 14, 15 years old.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then I guess earlier this year he also tried to come forward and talk about it, but the videos got deleted. I believe it was after timeline wise like around ish the time of the Kayla Malik James Charles situation. But the videos got taken down for bullying like mysteriously and he was getting like a lot of hate and backlash. Both times when he tried to come out like I guess James, his fans would threaten him and his family especially because with like his sexuality he doesn't to clarify, doesn't say one way or the other. But his, his families were getting threats about him being in the closet. They would were doxxing him. Oh my God. So yeah, he just got a lot of hate and backlash.

And then he just posted the other this past few days he has been bringing them back up these his claims and now he's providing more like context of receipts to kind of back up his claims a little bit. Because he says in 2020 he actually started working with a legal counsel like a lawyer and he has he shows on his TikTok like different email exchanges with the lawyer that he was working with at the time to kind of validate like like yes, this actually happened in 2020. Like look at the back and forth with this lawyer. The lawyer that he was working with was in contact with it. H. He lives in Frisco so he was like with Frisco pd. Oh, my gosh. They were going to start, like, looking into it, but then he was getting so much hate and backlash that he got again, he was 14 at the time this allegedly happened. So he was like, intimidated that he, like ghosted the lawyer and ghosted the PD and like, dropped everything.

Because he was, like, too scared. And of all the hate that he was getting.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my gosh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So he's now where he's sharing this on Tik Tok.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So now he's been sharing this on Tik Tok and he again. So there was those receipts that he provided and then he had a couple other small things and he said that he is in the process of like, recovering more because there were. It's, you know, five years ago now. So he's lost some. Again, it's the. It's obviously these are like, unsubstantiated because James has not responded, but the clips that he has shown is like, he has to valid to corroborate the FaceTime call. He had a friend that was with them that recorded a little clip of him FaceTiming with James, allegedly. Because obviously, again, the power dynamic that we've heard about a lot of times of them being excited that like an influencer that big is talking. Talking to them.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He showed his older brother who kind of thought that something was weird about it was took a video of a couple snaps. One snap that he recorded was one that just said, like, four years. Like, was the text on it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my gosh.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, yeah, Obviously the math, 14 plus.

[Moses Hacmon]

4, 18, like, knowing. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then there was a video as well because obviously, again, guess that could be easy to fake. But there was a video as well where he, Ethan had asked, allegedly had asked James, like, oh, like, it'd be cool if you did my makeup for a video. And then his brother recorded James's reply, which is like, I just hate putting makeup on hot guys. Blah, blah, blah.

So those are the receipts that are outright that he posted as of now. Yeah, but.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, man.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And he's. I feel like he gets very emotional in it too. And there's also an element of like, people are being. There's a few elements here going on. A, he's a male victim. He's like, okay, he doesn't clarify sexuality, but he's very like, he like strapping. Like, he's strong. He's built. Like, he's very like masculine appearing, you know, so there's that element. Yeah. Like, he's like a gym. Like, he's a lifter.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I thought you were gonna say, like, he's femme or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, like, he's very masculine and stuff. And I feel like that is something. I feel like people have trouble processing him, like, someone like that being a victim of, like, someone who's like, very femme, you know, So I think that elements going on.

And then he also, like, he does a waf. So I feel like also the idea of, like a sex worker being a victim, I feel like people really. Even though I feel like those are the easiest to, like, victimize. Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Always.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like, they're so susceptible to being in those situations. But I think that's another element where people, like, aren't taking him serious or.

[Moses Hacmon]

A lot of sex workers become that. Because being a victim.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, that's exactly. I was thinking that too. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, like, a lot of them that I worked with a new.

[Trisha Paytas]

And yes. You know, because he's very open about, like, that trauma that he's holding on to for being 14.

But yeah, I mean, this time he's gotten a lot of views. Like, when I looked this morning, his Tick tock had like 5 million views. I mean, again, this is the third time that he's like, been speaking out about this.

[Moses Hacmon]

And the comments, very mixed.

[Trisha Paytas]

A lot of them are, like, in support or. It's kind of the. That's the thing. It is kind of the usual. It's. It's sad. It really is sad because it's kind of like the usual firestorm of like. I mean, we saw with Kayla too. Half the people believing. Half not. Or there's some mixed in there, too, that are like. Yeah. But I still like them anyway. You know, it's like, really sad because it is also like the consistency of, like, the consistency.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just see the subject of it, too. It's not just, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Something light.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And just the ages. The age is like being so young.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is actually like Kayla's was morally bad, you know, but this is actually, like, illegal.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And children.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. It's so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I. That one is.

James hasn't said anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. As of now, James hasn't said anything. Again, this is all Ethan's side. Like, we don't know. James aside, just have to do the due diligence there.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, if it's the third time, I feel like he needs to probably address it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And this again, just from, like, Ethan alone. It's the third time. Then contextually, everything else that we've, you know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like.

Where there's Smoke, there's fire again, innocent until proven guilty, etc. Etc. Because this actually would be a crime, you know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And it's, like, so serious. So any spirit, speculation, any. Anything is like, yeah, right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's like. But it is.

[Moses Hacmon]

And he went to the police at one point.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And then just got too scared to, like, follow up with it. But.

It. I don't know. It will be interesting to see. I think it is at least important to shed light on it so more people, at least. Like, I feel like he deserves to, like, get his story out there because literally that's like, all he wants. He's like, all I care. Like, I don't care about, like, canceling anybody. I just want, like, justice for something that is, like. Like traumatize me.

So.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It's such a scary one, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I just want people the worst.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Putting yourself out and people, like, not believing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. That was actually something he said, too. He was, like, sad. He's like, if something like this happened to you, like, he was, like, getting emotional. He's like, just be careful. Like, don't be like me. And just, like, go and post about it on the Internet. Like, think about what you're going to say because people won't believe you. It was really, really sad as well. Because, yeah, people can be. I mean, as we know it can be just be so vicious. And if you're not, like, the perfect victim. I think we see that a lot too, you know, like, if you're not the perfect victim, people won't take you serious.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I mean, I feel like people know where we stand because the stuff that James has admitted to, like, is awful.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So we've already blocked disavow. Like, there's. There's, like, no coming back from certain things. And I feel like the stuff that James has already admitted to, long time ago since Lita went, like, armpits, like, all this stuff, like, it's like, okay, we already know you have, like, some weird thing going on. I mean. Yeah, like you said. I mean, I don't know. I have. No. My comment is I don't think James Charles is a good person based on stuff that he's admitted already. You know what I mean? And if this is true, it makes him even more awful in my eyes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And all you can really do is just, like, you know, give the. Give Ethan, like, a little bit more of a platform. That's really all we can. You know what I mean? At least, again, like, James has such a humongous Platform, like, literally, it's.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, his views are so hot. Like, anything he posts, you know, it's so daunting to, like, speak. Like, I feel for Ethan because it is so daunting to speak up. Up against someone like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I hadn't seen this, obviously. 5 million. I mean, a lot of people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So that's kind of. I just. Again, like, you said it perfectly. Everyone kind of knows where we stand. All we can kind of do is just like, shed light on what Ethan is saying and hopefully always support getting.

[Moses Hacmon]

Justice and the truth out there. That's for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And hopefully this sends more people who, you know, can support him his way. Because I feel like that's because kind of like with Bobby, you know, like, you kind of. You do need those people who are like, just be some kind of. You get so much.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So any kind of good vibes to counteract that, you know, and just like, I feel like that's kind of what he needs because it just. It could feel like, what the hell is the point of this? If, like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then people are gonna just not believe me.

[Moses Hacmon]

Stay silent. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So hopefully this sends people who believe him his way.

[Moses Hacmon]

So.

That is a wild one. Not. I was not expecting that one. I know. Awful.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. And I don't know what the hell it's gonna take for something to stick.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I guess time will tell on these sort of things. And I always think truth of whatever side comes out eventually.

[Trisha Paytas]

True. Yeah. It takes time Sometimes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Sometimes it takes time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar Crave]

More than.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You're comfortable with, but. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Takes a while.

What a note to end on, Charles.

[Trisha Paytas]

We really like the gambit of it. Emotions today.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow.

That's it.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's the life of a journalist.

[Moses Hacmon]

You.

[Trisha Paytas]

You. You're the red carpet host.

[Moses Hacmon]

I am. We're gonna do it together. I think that'll be really fun. How do we get a bling microphone out there?

[Trisha Paytas]

You have one right now.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I need this one.

[Oscar Crave]

Next time, we'll bring the attachments or whatever they give you. We'll just pl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, good idea, Moses.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, but they gave me that little one. I couldn't have put it on the wall.

[Oscar Crave]

We have a little tiny one. Too little.

[Moses Hacmon]

Any one of those big ones like this. But they might crop me out. I think because I had a little one, they couldn't crop me out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's true.

[Moses Hacmon]

I had to be in the shot with it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Then you direct it out.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, but everyone gets corrupted out. I was looking at other ones that they had and I was like, oh, they only show, and everyone's gorgeous. All the interviewers are beautiful, and, like, they get cropped out. Except for the E guy. He got. He got kept in there. I was like, okay, he gets to be. All the other ones were so beautiful at their makeup done, and they just crop out their arms.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I feel so bad every time I crop out about my sister Denny. I did McKenna Grace. He interviewed McKenna Grace, and I cropped him out for five nights at Freddy's. My apologies.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, why do you. Why?

[Trisha Paytas]

Let me focus on the Josh Hutcherson and my sister McKenna.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, well, shout out to my editors who did not crop me up. Also, people thinking Oscar was editing. They're like, I love this. Brings me so much joy doing Trisha, sending this to Oscar. I was like, I love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But. Well, whoever added it didn't crop me, so.

[Oscar Crave]

Thank you.

[Moses Hacmon]

I made sure not to add my little tiny microphone. I just hold hands with everybody I interview, so we're right here together. I can't crop me out. All right, well, that's it. Most sunny parting words.

[Oscar Crave]

No, just come see us live in Thousand Oaks.

[Moses Hacmon]

There you go. Moses's final performance.

[Oscar Crave]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Of the year. Not forever. Thousand Oaks, California. And come see our Christmas wish. Don't go to Oscar Craves. Spoiler.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kim Kardashian may or may not be there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Definitely not. Definitely never not going. I mean, open invite.

Your name can be on the list, but we will not be advertising it as such. Yeah, check out the skims Live.

[Oscar Crave]

Well, it's over.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that's what.

[Oscar Crave]

I hope you had a good Kim's Miss Happy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Kim's Miss Dolphins.

We love you guys. And go check out our patreon. Patreon.com. just Trish. We have a lot of good stuff, as you know. As you know, we just leaked our whole set list. Okay, talk to you guys soon. Love you. Bye.