Oscar Craig (2:04)

No.

Trisha Paytas (2:05)

The girls would lose their minds if they saw you right now. You have to go up with that. They love that because they love their golden the roomy braid crochet. Anyways, we'll get to the. Hi, welcome to the Just Trish podcast. It is Thursday. Everybody's working for the weekend. If you can't tell. I have had not one, but two meals already and it's only 10am So I am. I'm happy, I'm energetic. I did have a Baja Blast, not sponsored music. And you can see the Baja Blast. I'm like, but it's an aesthetic. If, you know, you know, I don't know. They're pretty good. It gives me way too much energy for now, which I need, because today is a long day. It's gonna be a marathon today. I'm going till about 10pm tonight. You try being an influencer for a day. So we're starting a little early while Oscar joins us a little later. So the first half hour of this might be just me and Moses talking about how cute our kids are. Moses has some hot topic. He told me about Michaela. I was like, wow. He's like, it's breaking news, actually. And I was like, okay, well, I'll just wait for the podcast, you guys. I will be at the Netflix is a joke comedy festival. I will be in conversation with Netflix stars Tuesday, May 5 at the Wheel Turn at 9:45pm Tickets are on pre sale right now. They go on sale sale to the public on Friday, January 23rd at 10Amber. Right now. You can get that presale. Come see me talk with a really exciting Netflix star. I'm really excited to be a part of this. It's a crazy, crazy thing. I'm so excited. Check it out. Also vote for me at the iHeartRadio Awards. I am nominated for your favorite Broadway debut against some stiff competition. But hey, it's fan voted. If I know one thing that Trisha Paytas has taught me is anything is possible. So we're gonna. We're gonna keep going and get that award. It was granted to Rachel's like, the last year, and I'm up against, like, iconic people with, like, amazing voices. But you just never know. I would be very Katie Heron and just, like, share my trophy with everybody because everyone in my category deserves it. And finally, go to patreon.com just trish. We do bonus episodes every week. Me and Moses are doing vision boards this week. They're really fun. I challenge myself to do an all pink vision board for Valentine's Day. So check it out if you want to see what's on both of ours. And our headshot of the month is me as a mime, which yesterday I did something very mime related. And they're like, have you ever worn this kind of makeup? I was like, I wore it last week, actually, so just happened to be a coincidence. So. And the sticker is the I'm no longer talking sticker, which is Oscar's favorite little thumbnail of mine. So if you guys want to get those? They're monthly. They're going strong. My sister is sending them out. I'm signing them. It's. It's a great time. And justchurch.com while we're at it, justchurch.com, we have. We have cups. We are getting more stuff in, so we are making room. So stuff is. Some stuff is on sale. You'll see it when you go to the actual product, it's not showing it on, like the homepage. When you go to actual product, you'll see stuff that is reduced pricing. So go to just trish.com I feel like, I guess that's everything. Moses is at Moses Hackman on TikTok. Just honestly, I love that you're like a. A repost of a clip farm. Is that they call them good farm.

Oscar Craig (5:07)

Oh, yeah. You know, I'm a farmer.

Trisha Paytas (5:09)

You're farming on there. You did a. You reposted a edit. Shout out Jimmy Wetzel. We just have to shout him out. Honestly, just icon king of editing. Like, literally everybody, the comments are flooded. Always. I go to check the comments. Like, what are they saying? What they think we're so funny. Like, Jimmy. Jimmy's the funniest. And you are Jimmy. We love you. He's so great. Moses just uploaded. You know, it's a good editor when you re upload like an edit and it's so good. I don't really watch these back, so I missed that. It's quite often, but when I see them up on TikTok, they make me giggle. Jimmy's a real one. He will be joining us soon. We have a very special project in February coming, which I'm really excited about, to raise money for some good causes. So we'll be there. We're also going to the WB tour soon and Jimmy's joining us there too. We love him. We love Jimmy. We love everyone. The show is just Trish, but also Oscar and Moses and Cali and Mom and everybody, which we love. We love everybody and we love you guys. Thanks for being here. I'm super excited for Netflix. As a joke. Did you see that lineup? Oh, my gosh.

Oscar Craig (6:04)

It's everybody. Like, is there somebody that's not on it? It's basically everybody that's ever watched Netflix is on it.

Trisha Paytas (6:12)

Yes. Shout out. Hot Topic. Jake Shane getting his podcast picked up by Netflix. His third season will be on Netflix exclusively. Like, wow. Amazing. Honestly, amazing. Like, it is amazing. Like, he has a show on Hulu about his life coming, but then he also has this podcast on Netflix, like, he's literally just the monopoly. He's the boardwalk and the park place. He's just taking it all. We love to see it. Honestly, I. I like Jake. He's actually like, one of the, like, nicest people, like, truly nice that I've ever met. He is everywhere. Talk about networking. We see him at the Ben Platt show. We see him at Wicked. Like, we see him everywhere. Amongst other things. He's with Alex Earl and all his famous friends. And who's. He has another Sophia Richie. And anyways, congrats. We love you, Jake, Shane. We love Netflix and we love Hulu. We love them all. Is that one we don't like?

Oscar Craig (6:57)

No, no. We love entertainment. We are consumers of entertainment. We work in the entertainment business.

Trisha Paytas (7:03)

We do work. We do work here.

Oscar Craig (7:04)

It's our home.

Trisha Paytas (7:06)

I love this. Oh, my gosh. I love this. Love this. Are you excited for the Netflix, by the way? The Netflix is in conversation with. So it's not. I'm not performing, like, my music. That's what people were asking. It's a. It's an interview site, which I want to get more of that. I do want to do more interviews. Like, I really do. I get excited to do it. Obviously, I could be a little more polished, A little more, like, researched and stuff. Like, not research, but, like, polished. But you have to do stuff to get. Practice at it. So I'm happy.

Oscar Craig (7:29)

You're basically a talk show host on Netflix for this night.

Trisha Paytas (7:33)

Well, for this night. Right. It's live. It's not going on Netflix. But I do feel, I do think we get to record it for our podcast, I believe. But come see it live because it'll be lots of fun. And the Wilton's pretty intimate, right? It's like 1500.

Oscar Craig (7:45)

Yeah. Not too big.

Trisha Paytas (7:46)

Yeah.

Oscar Craig (7:46)

It's an older theaters. It's very beautiful and different. It's good enough.

Trisha Paytas (7:51)

Hillary Duff. It's good enough for me. I heard that's one of my songs. Did you see that?

Oscar Craig (7:55)

Yeah. I was. I was like, wait, this is familiar.

Trisha Paytas (8:00)

I know this.

Oscar Craig (8:00)

And I was like, but that's not my wife.

Trisha Paytas (8:06)

No, it was not.

Oscar Craig (8:07)

Yes. I was going to report the video, but then I saw that, you know, somebody tagged me, was like, oh, this is Hillary Duff. I'm like, I heard about her icon.

Trisha Paytas (8:16)

Coming back, doing shows at the. In the uk because she's from the famous mom group.

Oscar Craig (8:21)

Right.

Trisha Paytas (8:22)

The toxic mom group, I suppose. Which I guess could also be the famous one. Yes. Is that how you know her?

Oscar Craig (8:26)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (8:27)

How do you know? You don't know Liz McGuire. How do you know Hilary Duff?

Oscar Craig (8:31)

Like, for you. We watched movies when we first met.

Trisha Paytas (8:33)

Did you know her before?

Oscar Craig (8:35)

Not really, but did you know the names are definitely not names, but.

Trisha Paytas (8:39)

Oh, really?

Oscar Craig (8:41)

Yeah. Names are not.

Trisha Paytas (8:42)

But that's a. I would think the opposite. I feel like Hilary Duff is, like, a name you might hear, but you may not know who she is or.

Oscar Craig (8:47)

What she does not in my world. There was no.

Trisha Paytas (8:49)

Wow. That's like, to me, of her, like, craziest opposites attract. I was saying this with Moses, too. It's like, before, because we, you know, me and Moses have so much fun. We laugh. We're giggling all the time with each other. But I feel like I talked about this before, like, on the podcast. Like, his jokes and stuff like that always, like, catching me off guard. So I think everyone always goes like, oh, my God, Trisha doesn't think he's fine. I think you're, like, the funniest person ever. But I will say we are like opposites, but I think this is why we work so well. I've never met someone more opposite in, like, life. Life. Life. Do you know what I mean?

Oscar Craig (9:21)

Like, parts.

Trisha Paytas (9:21)

Parts of life that we come from parts of the world, not parts of the world.

Oscar Craig (9:24)

Look at our 2016 trend.

Trisha Paytas (9:26)

Yes. Oh, that's a perfect example. Yeah. Because we were. We looked at it in glam. Moses rarely post on Instagram, but he posted the 2016 trend. And I was like, it's like a different person. But, like, I love that part of you, and you still are that person. It just like. Right. Look at our 2016. It's, like, just coming from different. Obviously, we're meshing well together now, and we have the same, like, morals and beliefs and all that stuff like that. But it is always gaggy to me when you're like, oh, I didn't know who Hilary Duff was. I was like, to me, she's, like, the biggest star in the whole world. Like, I. To me, she's like our generation's Madonna. Like, I think, like, everyone knows her. So when you're like, I didn't know her. I was like, what? So. So you knew her through me. We started watching. We watched Raise your voice and Lizzie McGuire.

Oscar Craig (10:04)

And, yeah, Lizzie McGuire probably was the most. Because you were buying a lot of stuff. Lizzie McGuire, you know, cups and things. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (10:13)

Will you, like, Google when I'm, like, buying all this stuff, are you like, what is this? Are you just like, no, we saw.

Oscar Craig (10:18)

The movie and then all the stuff. The stuff is my education as you get those things. I get to learn about subjects.

Trisha Paytas (10:25)

I should say. So many. There's so many moments that I like. It's not Valentine's Day. Yeah. But so many moments, and I've, like, fallen in love with Moses. And one of them is like, when we moved into this house and we got the house together. You putting away my bling cups and, like, putting them on display. It was just, like, the cutest thing ever, because you were, like, organizing them and you were putting them up and you were displaying them. It was like, the first thing in our house that was, like, finished was, like, our bling cups cabinet. And it just was like, oh, wow. Like, taking interest in, like, not only things I like and collect, but, like, displaying it made me feel really. I don't know. And then I look at you now and like, I love the Barbie. Share this. The girls would just love it. You have to go up in this hat. Anyways, how are you?

Oscar Craig (11:00)

Good. But, you know, people are just stealing all my nachos.

Trisha Paytas (11:04)

Stealing it.

Oscar Craig (11:05)

Eating my nachos.

Trisha Paytas (11:06)

Oh, gosh. Our TikTok today was not a. It's not sarcasm, you guys. Me laughing when there's a hot topic.

Oscar Craig (11:13)

No, this was literally me this morning showing her this hot topic. And then I opened Tick Tock. And I see everyone who's making fun of me.

Trisha Paytas (11:19)

Wait, who?

Moses Hackman (11:20)

What?

Trisha Paytas (11:20)

Who was making fun of you?

Oscar Craig (11:21)

No, I'm joking.

Trisha Paytas (11:23)

And someone did say Moses so chronically online, he probably showed her this trend. And that's very accurate.

Oscar Craig (11:27)

It was like, I showed you the trend, but then I backed off. I was like, I'm not sure I want to do this. But then, you know, it's funny. And then I thought about it. I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, you.

Trisha Paytas (11:34)

Showed me the trend. It was the one where it's like, you're, like, laughing at your husband jokes. It's like, you know, Valentine's Day is coming up, or you want a purse or whatever it is. Mine's obviously Moses has been cooking me up a storm. Like, way too much. Like, I'm gonna, like, lock in very, very soon because I have been literally eating pasta every night because I have the best husband. He'll be like, you want pasta? Like, I'm. And it's been delicious, but I do need to, like, lock in. But aside from that, it was. Mine was like, but, you know, he's cooking tonight. So you're like. But then I came up and I was like, you wanna do that TikTok? And you're like, no, it's mean. I Was like, no. And people loved it because they get it. Because your Hot Topics are very off the wall. You're very, you know.

Oscar Craig (12:10)

But this one, I feel like, is very on point. It's like, okay, all right, so we all know Michaela. Do you guys know Michaela? Another person I would not know without you.

Trisha Paytas (12:20)

I love the setup. We do miss Oscar for the setup. Both me and you are not. But this is great. You're good. You're great.

Oscar Craig (12:26)

I even screenshot it.

Trisha Paytas (12:28)

Okay, so this may be one of the coolest PR packages I've ever seen. Seen my new launch comes in a literal fish tin. And guess what? These aren't just for influences. I'm gonna be giving 10 of them to you.

Oscar Craig (12:43)

You better send me one.

Trisha Paytas (12:44)

Is for my new line called Snatch it, and it is literally salmon derived pdrn. So it only makes sense to put it in a fish tin. Ocean born. That's funny. Okay, that makes a little more sense. Snapchat's a crazy name, though. Okay, so it's salmon. I guess people put salmon, like, sperm on themselves. So it's like salmon derived is what she's saying.

Oscar Craig (13:07)

I mean, the road. Yeah. The orange. I mean, that's the row. It's like caviar. It's like the eggs of the fish.

Trisha Paytas (13:15)

Okay. Is it like, sperm, or is it, like, just eggs?

Oscar Craig (13:17)

It's the eggs.

Trisha Paytas (13:19)

Oh, and if you put that on their skin.

Oscar Craig (13:21)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (13:22)

It is a cute idea.

Oscar Craig (13:23)

I don't know. But it's not. Like, the last thing I would think about is cosmetics in tin fish, I guess.

Trisha Paytas (13:29)

Like, I like the idea of salmon.

Oscar Craig (13:30)

But I think she wanted to make it happen. So she's like, there's some salmon something in here. I think she really wanted to jump on the trend of the tin fish, but then she shows. It's like, it's so beautiful. I can't believe I want to put it up on the wall. I'm like, I don't know. It doesn't look.

Trisha Paytas (13:47)

You would put it up on the wall.

Oscar Craig (13:48)

You'd put it right behind you.

Trisha Paytas (13:49)

My headshot will be replaced by Mikayla's Snatch It.

Oscar Craig (13:52)

I don't know. Maybe I'll put my tin fish in it.

Trisha Paytas (13:54)

But try DM her and see if she'll send us one.

Oscar Craig (13:58)

Yeah. First of all, she should as it is, because she said she's only sending it to beauty influencers.

Trisha Paytas (14:04)

She says she's not only sending it to beauty influencers.

Oscar Craig (14:06)

Right. So she should send me one too.

Trisha Paytas (14:08)

Oh, okay.

Oscar Craig (14:08)

I'll review it.

Trisha Paytas (14:09)

What too? Well, we can probably share one. I want one, too. We could share it.

Oscar Craig (14:12)

So anyway, it's. Yeah. Again, once again, you know, people are like, thin fish. What? No. Yes.

Trisha Paytas (14:18)

And suddenly it is kind of becoming trendy. I don't know if it, like, was before you. I mean, obviously I know it through. Through you. It's very. It's my Hillary Duff, where I'm like. I wasn't familiar with the game, but.

Oscar Craig (14:27)

Yeah, I don't take credit at all. I think. Think tin fish reviews. Marcus and Lucy, they're like the godfathers of tin fish, and they're the one that got me interested.

Trisha Paytas (14:36)

Is it the ones that are in England? You think they started it?

Oscar Craig (14:40)

Yeah. By the way, they announced they're pregnant.

Trisha Paytas (14:42)

Oh, congrats. That's exciting.

Oscar Craig (14:44)

Yeah, baby girl, I think.

Trisha Paytas (14:46)

Oh, my gosh, that's so exciting.

Oscar Craig (14:48)

And so. But thin fish has lots and lots of nutrition value. Like, huge. Especially for all the people that need protein and all those things and all the omegas. And, like, thin fish is where it is. Sardines, that's where it is. So I highly recommend.

Trisha Paytas (15:07)

I really want to do a video with you trying tin fish, like, all of them. But I. I wonder if I could, like, actually stomach it. Like, do you think it might make me, like, physically sick, some of them?

Oscar Craig (15:17)

I think you could like spicy fish, you know, look, you had spicy shrimp last night with the pasta. Right. All of them are cooked.

Trisha Paytas (15:28)

Oh. How are they lasting for a year in tin?

Oscar Craig (15:32)

It's. It's because they're cooked and they sit in oil, so that's what preserves them.

Trisha Paytas (15:37)

I'm really surprised you like that, because I feel, in general, you love things that are, like, fresh from the ground, organic farmers market stuff. So I'm surprised you like things that have been sitting in a den.

Oscar Craig (15:47)

I think that's why I'm so picky, because I only like the ones that are actually good because so many of them I don't like, so. But when it comes to sardines and octopus and things like that, it's hard to find them fresh every time. All the time. Yeah, but, yeah, and nutrition, again, as far as nutrition, like, one can of fish can give you such great nutrition boost, which will be hard for me to find in a different way.

Trisha Paytas (16:15)

Right, right, right. Well, I'm down to try it for the boost of protein.

Oscar Craig (16:20)

Yeah, I can pick ones that you like. I just had one that was actually shrimp scampi.

Trisha Paytas (16:27)

Oh, was it good? It tastes like scampi.

Oscar Craig (16:29)

It was good. It was.

Trisha Paytas (16:30)

What is scampi? I Know what it is I get from TT Factory.

Oscar Craig (16:32)

But what is it? I think it's just the sauce, but.

Trisha Paytas (16:34)

What?

Oscar Craig (16:34)

Spicy.

Trisha Paytas (16:35)

But how do you make a scampi?

Oscar Craig (16:38)

I don't know. Top of my head, but I'm just guessing. Just like yesterday, it was kind of like paprika chili peppers.

Trisha Paytas (16:44)

Oh, that was so good.

Oscar Craig (16:46)

That was good.

Trisha Paytas (16:46)

Oh, my God. That was, like, too good. That's what I knew. I was like, it's out of control. Even tomorrow's supposed to be bolognaise night. I'm thinking, like, you might need to just do, like, a steak and eggs or something like that. Cause it's like, the pasta's been out of control, but, like, it's wonderful. It's wonderful. But, oh, man, that was so good.

Oscar Craig (16:59)

Well, it was just this week we tried different recipes, which was interesting because.

Trisha Paytas (17:03)

My whole FYP is pasta and protein, and I'm just like, okay, it looks really good, but it's been great.

Oscar Craig (17:10)

So. Yeah. So Teen Fish has made it to the beauty community.

Trisha Paytas (17:13)

Yeah. Mikayla, honestly, Mikayla's doing it. You know. You know, it's the trend. You know, it's the hot thing right now. I like it. I get it. It is a weird thing when you think of with beauty, but I'm there for it.

Oscar Craig (17:22)

And then the. Basically the person that is leading the way and for all of us that wants to be Chinese. So her name is Sherry, and I forgot to mention last time the name.

Trisha Paytas (17:33)

I love this. I love your hot topics to start it off. This is great.

Oscar Craig (17:36)

So she.

Trisha Paytas (17:37)

It really is the same as, like, Oscar telling me stuff because it's like, sometimes a foreign language. Like, he'll, like, name these hot Hollywood stars. Like, what? And now you're, like, leading the. But I love. By the way, I love this. I hope that came across last time. Like, I do love your tea. This morning you had some. You were, like, making it for real. Like, I think the Chinese lifestyle I think everyone should adopt. I think all the Chinese people look great.

Oscar Craig (17:57)

I think it's like, my thought was a bit scratchy yesterday, and I was like, you know what with the apples, I threw in some ginger, some cinnamon, a little bit of honey at the end, and my goji berries. And you feel better? Oh, yeah, I feel better. It tasted good, too. That's what was so amazing. That I think we always think about. Ginger is, like, so strong and powerful and not just not fun to drink, but the apples just make it sweet. And you forget about the ginger bean.

Trisha Paytas (18:25)

But I kind of want to try now. I kind of want to try it? Because that is Chinese medicine. You always do here is like the way to go. What is that called? Like, is that the Eastern medicine? Yeah, because like Western medicine is what, like pills and stuff. Right. Which is like totally fine. Of course. But Chinese medicine is more like nature. Herbal. Herbal, natural. Obviously everything is good. I'm down for anything.

Oscar Craig (18:44)

I think all cultures, like every culture has certain things in their culture that has to do with lifestyle and health. That is amazing. But we don't know about it. We're so stuck in our lane. And what's been beautiful about this trend is that everyone talks about how this is how you do it as far as when you approach another culture. Not appropriation, but like learning.

Trisha Paytas (19:05)

Yeah.

Oscar Craig (19:06)

And being excited about it and doing it respectfully and doing it in a. So there's this beautiful dialogue between. It's specifically here, it's Chinese, but between people from China that are like, welcome, we've been waiting for you. We're so happy you're here on this trend. We're so happy to see you in your slippers and drinking the hot water in the morning.

Trisha Paytas (19:24)

Well, we've been watching. Was it. Was it China? Remember those trends we used to watch where they would like clean. They'd go home and they'd put stuff in, like the sterilizers. Is that a Chinese tradition or.

Oscar Craig (19:33)

Yeah, that was definitely Chinese.

Trisha Paytas (19:34)

Oh my gosh. Like I was so. And I see people here adapted to. There's this one woman. Oh, I don't know her name. She's like a mom and she does the same thing. She sterilizes her sunglasses and she like puts things together and like it's. Yeah, I, I really. You've been to Asia or.

Oscar Craig (19:47)

No, the Philippines.

Trisha Paytas (19:49)

I would love to go to the Philippines. I would love to go. Obviously Japan and like Korea would be great. China would be great. I would love to go there. Not just for the Disney's too, although I heard their Disney's are amazing. But I. I would love to go Singapore. My dad said Singapore was like the cleanest, safest country he's ever been to. Like, I just would love. I don't feel like I'm worldly enough to like experience all cultures. Like, I feel like, okay, I've been to Europe. Okay, I get that. Love it. They have great food. Well, not England, but England has other great things. But in general, great breads, great pastas, all that stuff like that. I never really been to the Asian countries. I've never been to Middle Eastern countries. Although I would love To. I would love to visit. I guess we went to Dubai and.

Oscar Craig (20:32)

Today I did my own take. So after I drank all of that, I took the apples, the berries, the ginger and all that, and I made it into a smoothie.

Trisha Paytas (20:41)

How is that? Is it good? Oh, I love this for you.

Oscar Craig (20:45)

And it's almost like the warm ice cream. Like it's a warm smoothie. Like, it's not cold, you know? So anyway, so we have a message from Sherry.

Trisha Paytas (20:54)

She messaged you Chinese baddies. Trisha Paytas is now one of us. She is drinking our boiled apples earlier upstairs. Like, don't look. You're like, no, don't look at it.

Moses Hackman (21:05)

What is it?

Oscar Craig (21:06)

My new Chinese baddie lifestyle.

Trisha Paytas (21:08)

Yes.

Oscar Craig (21:11)

What do you mean you don't boil apples every morning? And we've all seen her. Sherry.

Trisha Paytas (21:17)

Clear Chinese baddies. Your grandmother is going to be so excited when she sees this. Like, I kid you not, like, she has been boiling apples for me my entire life. Trisha, you're a Chinese baddie. Yeah. You're Chinese baddie, Trisha. Okay? Now you are in your Chinese era. Drink that boiled apple. Add those goji berries. Tea.

Oscar Craig (21:33)

Tea.

Trisha Paytas (21:34)

Also, I just want to say, every single time I see, like, a newly Chinese baddie, fill in my comments saying, like, oh, my God, I just became Chinese. Like, I just had my apple. I just had my kanji. I'm wearing my house slippers. Like, I am so excited, guys. Our community is so beautiful. Oh, my God, I'm gonna cry. Oh, my God. Watch. Just watch me. Next week just be like, because it's the Chinese New Year coming, right? So we're gonna have to go full out. Year of the horse. Wait, that makes me. Yeah, that makes me so excited because I like, yes, as someone in the past who's been accused of, like, culture appropriating, that has never. I can honestly say I can tell you when I've been a troll. I can tell you what I've been on drugs. Like, when it comes to, like, exploring other cultures, it's truly because, like, I feel like I've never, like, belonged anywhere. So when I meet someone with culture or when I see, like, a culture I, like, love, obviously, I know now it's like research to make sure, like, nothing I'm doing is, like, offensive and that I'm able to do it as, you know, not a part of that culture. But I love that, like, when you get, like, the. Go ahead from that. Like, we love this. And, like, keep doing it, like, now I want to just explore so much because Again, I grew up, like, so small town and just, like, not worldly, and it's like, there's so much out there. Like, you said to, like, learn from so many people and so many things, and I think that's cool. Oh, I'm so excited. Yeah, I honestly. Because it was good. We did like it. And it's crazy because you were a little sick yesterday. And then I didn't even think about that because I was like, oh, you were totally fine this morning. Wow. We're Chinese baddies. I love that, too. I love that name. You know me. I'm gonna deep dive now. What else can I do to be a part of this movement? Because I love it. I feel we've already been. Because someone's asked you if you were tapped into, like, the Chinese zodiacs, and we been.

Oscar Craig (23:05)

That's the thing. Because most people say that's your next step, and we're like, no, we've been already in that step. For us, Chinese zodiac is the one that we love the most.

Trisha Paytas (23:13)

I mean, wait till you see. Okay. Our centerpiece of our house is truly, like, this tiger that I spent way too much money on, but it's this giant tiger, and it's blinged out. Everyone loves it, and people, like, love it, and they don't really know, but it was Malibu. It's Malibu. So our first was when we were. When she was born. She was year the tiger, and there was tigers everywhere. There was tigers and everything. We've always kind of been into our zodiacs, our Chinese zodiacs. I'm a dragon, he's a snake. We've always been into it. And really early on, we're like, let's have two kids both in our year. But, like, it's kind of hard to do both in the same year. But, like, because Basically it's every 12 years, so you either have to have a kid at, like, 24, 36, or 48, because it's like, every 12 weeks or 12, I guess, like 12, 24. Like, you know what I mean? So it's kind of rare because 24 is pretty young to have a kid 36. Not old, but, like, older. And then obviously, like, 48. So it was, like, rare to have it. But then our second Elvis ended up being dragon, like me. And then Aquaman was snake, which is, like, so crazy. But we love all the zodiacs. I love that.

Oscar Craig (24:07)

It's because you always said, like, that would be amazing. We'll have our ears. And I was like, there's no way. How can we make that happen. Because also it has to be back to back so fast.

Trisha Paytas (24:17)

Yeah.

Oscar Craig (24:17)

Because our ears were back to back.

Trisha Paytas (24:19)

Yeah.

Oscar Craig (24:19)

And I was like, I love the idea. And I thought it's. I can't see how it would be possible.

Trisha Paytas (24:24)

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Oscar Craig (26:34)

Yeah, and it happened.

Trisha Paytas (26:36)

It did happen. It was crazy. Yeah, it was. It was wild. But anyways, Malibu was like, year the tiger, but the tiger was very expensive. But we love it and it's literally a centerpiece of our house. It, like, is forever for us. So we just like. It's. It's. I should actually gas blinged up to show progress because she's almost done with it. We just got a custom. This is like. Am I using this term, right? P.S. theta Resistance.

Moses Hackman (26:59)

What resistance is that?

Trisha Paytas (27:00)

Like, like the. It's like the centerpiece, the PS de resistance. Like the piece de resistance. This is like the main event, the piece de resistance. I think that's it.

Oscar Craig (27:13)

It sounds like something in the center of existence.

Trisha Paytas (27:16)

Okay, Okay.

Oscar Craig (27:17)

I think.

Trisha Paytas (27:17)

I hope I'm saying it right.

Oscar Craig (27:18)

I thought it was something resistance.

Trisha Paytas (27:20)

I guess piece de resistance. I don't know. Piece de resistance. I don't know. I don't know if I'm saying right. But the main thing. So we. This has been two years in the making getting this custom. I've always had this idea for this, like, custom Chinese dragon because, like, they do have big dragon stuff, but it's kind of like the mythical dragons. I wanted, like, a Chinese dragon in the red and gold. Red is, like a lucky color. Especially in the new year. They always have, like, red and gold. I did it for our, like, new year, like American new Year, but love it. And so I've been wanting it, but I wanted, like, our opening has, like, a mirror because we're kind of running out of space for giant animals. So we have, like a pole for a snake. And then we had, like, this opening for, like, a big giant dragon mirror. So we got it custom made and then we had to shout out, drip Jump. Then we had to give it to Blinged up, to Bling it Up. And it's been like, literally two years in the. In the making, and it's almost done. All that to say is we really take our Chinese zodiacs very serious. More so than even like a Taurus rising. Like, none of that stuff I love, but don't love. You know what I mean? Chinese zodiacs, I'm like, hardcore. Like, I always send you stuff like, oh, if you're a year of this, if you're the snake, if you're. You have this. So our years just passed. We just had the, like, well, the snake is right now, and the horse is coming in February, but. And then mine was Dragon, so we had to wait another 12 years. But all signs carry on into, obviously, Year of the Horse. It means different things for different signs, but for all of us, year, the horse is going to be a good year. As I said, the snake shed. The shedding is still happening until the new year. And then the horse is going to push you forward. It's going to. You know, and I think if you believe in it, it's kind of like whether you consider it real or placebo or whatever. I do think there's, like, luck to be had. And the Chinese, very lucky. Remember on my tour, everyone would give me those, like, red envelopes and put money into. I'm all about it. So I love it. I. I love it. Yeah, we do. All of it. We do, too. Because like I said, when I was in my spiritual awakening, I was getting into all of it. And we have the little Buddhas and we present them apples and coffee in the morning. And I get very into all of it, and I just love that so much. I can't wait to find out more about Chinese baddie culture. And I love the name. It makes it so cool.

Oscar Craig (29:17)

Yeah. Next thing we need to try is a congee and their breakfast and.

Trisha Paytas (29:21)

Congee.

Oscar Craig (29:22)

Yeah, it's kind of like. It almost looks like oatmeal. It's rice. But then you put on it whatever toppings you want. So you can put your eggs and your scallions and sesame, like, all kind of. So it's really about. It's kind of like the idea of oatmeal. But the problem that we consume too much sugar.

Trisha Paytas (29:40)

Okay.

Oscar Craig (29:41)

It's more savory. So it's not sugar and raisins and syrups and whipped cream, you know, it's more savory. So it's like eggs and vegetables and.

Trisha Paytas (29:49)

Do a morning routine day in the life of a Chinese baddie.

Oscar Craig (29:51)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (29:52)

And then we can make our tea. I'm, like, really into this. You guys know, like, once I get into it, like, I get really into it, and I'm very excited now. Very cool. Well, thank you so much, Sherry, for the seal of approval and the welcoming and I'm. We're very excited about it. Thank you, Moses, for introducing me to this. I love when you get excited about stuff. Very rarely can I get excited with you about things because we are very different. Things I get excited about, you don't get excited about.

Oscar Craig (30:13)

But because my routine every morning, you know, I make my tea and my. The way I learned how to make my tea was in Ireland. So it's like Irish tea with sugar.

Trisha Paytas (30:22)

Yeah. Yeah.

Oscar Craig (30:23)

And I'm like, trying to move away from sugar. This is like a great.

Moses Hackman (30:28)

Are you.

Oscar Craig (30:30)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (30:32)

What are you gonna do at night when you get like a Coke and a chocolate?

Oscar Craig (30:35)

I mean, I can still have a chocolate, but it's more, I think, how you start the day.

Trisha Paytas (30:39)

Right.

Oscar Craig (30:39)

So important. Like what? So first thing you put in your stomach, because that's what they say. Your stomach is basically sleeping. And then do you wake it up? You need to wake it up with, like, warm water and. And not like ice cold coffee on cold water. Like it shuts down your stomach.

Trisha Paytas (30:53)

What about a double stuffed grilled cheese burrito?

Oscar Craig (30:57)

That's definitely American body.

Trisha Paytas (31:01)

The American body or American baddie? Oh, my. No. I actually felt a little crazy. I do love it. But what's crazy about is because, like, today we had to start on time because I have to go somewhere right after. So, like today. So I was like, what's open? And I saw Taco Bell was like open. On the food delivery apps, you could get a grilled cheese burrito. And it's been my whole timeline. Last week it was all flying dungeon. My whole timeline has now been these grilled cheese burritos. But they get them really big. And so I watch a story on how they get a big. And you just order like triple of everything. Like triple fiesta strips, triple rice. They put potatoes in there. Like you can add everything in there to make them humongous. As I was like, really excited about it and it was good. You can see on my TikTok, I could only like half of it, but 9:30 grilled cheese burrito is kind of crazy. It is a little crazy. I think it's better to start the morning maybe with some hot apple tea. It is tasty. Okay. We're gonna do that. We'll make that part of our routine because we do love our walks in the morning and stuff. I'm. Yeah, physically, I'm locked in. I'm walking. I'm doing Pilates. It has been crazy eating, but that's okay. That's, you know, it's fine.

Oscar Craig (31:55)

A lot of people in the comments have said, like, if I read the comments of people that do it, and they were like, I've lost three to five pounds in the first week of doing this.

Trisha Paytas (32:02)

I can imagine. I could imagine. Not starting your morning off with sugar or a grilled cheese burrito probably is the way to go. Like, yeah, tea with sugar and grilled cheese.

Oscar Craig (32:08)

Also, just getting your system working right, because it improves your gut bacteria. There's something in the apple when you boil it that helps it.

Trisha Paytas (32:17)

Ooh, I am. Watch me just glow. Watch me look like I'm 20 years old in a month. I'm super excited.

Oscar Craig (32:23)

You really look like you're 20, but.

Trisha Paytas (32:24)

Yeah, definitely look like I'm 20. I think I look good, but I don't think I look like I'm 20, but thank you. You look like you're 12.

Oscar Craig (32:31)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (32:32)

Oh, my gosh, look at your pants. Are those Canadian?

Moses Hackman (32:36)

Yeah, inherited from Joey Graceffa.

Trisha Paytas (32:38)

Oh, my God. I was just wearing those literally yesterday. Yeah. Are you on the Aviator? Oh.

Moses Hackman (32:42)

Oh, show and tell today.

Trisha Paytas (32:44)

Oh, wait. I love. Wow. Were you reading on the way over? I love those. They're so cute. They were Joey's.

Moses Hackman (32:50)

Yes.

Oscar Craig (32:50)

Okay.

Trisha Paytas (32:51)

Skinny. Geez, I could never. Could you imagine if I'm like, I borrowed these from Tana? Like, no, can never.

Moses Hackman (32:56)

Well, it is elastic, so there's a lot of cheat in there.

Trisha Paytas (32:59)

No, but still, you look great.

Oscar Craig (33:02)

Thanks.

Trisha Paytas (33:02)

Borrowing the halter top from Tana, which it's not really a hot topic, but it's like. Or is it. You don't have it as a topic.

Oscar Craig (33:08)

I see so many tick tocks about it.

Trisha Paytas (33:10)

Oh, I wasn't gonna, like, make it. Okay, well, we can talk about it and. We can. Or not. But it's so funny. Okay. Wait, what were you saying? Oh, the Wuthering Heights.

Moses Hackman (33:17)

Okay. Hey, everybody.

Trisha Paytas (33:19)

Yes, welcome. Oscar, you look great.

Moses Hackman (33:21)

Crazy.

Trisha Paytas (33:22)

Are you. Do you have. Do you want to get situated? I'm sorry.

Moses Hackman (33:24)

No, I'm situated. Okay. Anyways, Hello. So I have an idea for us. Okay. I'm really. Obviously, we're into Wuthering Heights right now. Also, they're a hot topic. But before we get into the hot topic.

Trisha Paytas (33:34)

Okay.

Moses Hackman (33:35)

As I was holding this book, I Was like, oh, it'd be funny to have, like, photos, like, reading it. Kind of like you with as your Addison cosplay for Halloween that one year. But I love. I think that we can do a spin on that. Jacob Elordi is always paparazzi reading a book out and about. Like, as he's getting groceries, as he's pumping gas. Like, I think we should recreate Jacob Elordi reading paparazzi photos with Wuthering Heights. Sure. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (34:02)

Okay.

Moses Hackman (34:02)

Or any book. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (34:04)

Yes. You could also go one step further and have a purse. You know, just start wearing my purses out. I'll give you my Bottega. I'll give you.

Moses Hackman (34:11)

Is also a purse.

Trisha Paytas (34:12)

We can do two in one. Really? We can both. We can read the book and you could have the purse.

Moses Hackman (34:16)

He usually has a book in his back pocket. This book is a little too.

Trisha Paytas (34:20)

That's kind of funny, though. Trying to.

Moses Hackman (34:21)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (34:22)

Trying to put it in there. Especially in your pants and your aviator nations just stick it back there. That's kind of funny. I'm so down. Yeah. I could have Isaiah, like, shoot it or something like that.

Moses Hackman (34:29)

Okay, sure. Or you just want.

Trisha Paytas (34:31)

You wanted.

Moses Hackman (34:33)

Let's step it up.

Oscar Craig (34:34)

You can be in line in MC to get popcorn with the book.

Moses Hackman (34:36)

Okay.

Oscar Craig (34:37)

Work.

Moses Hackman (34:37)

Yeah, sure.

Trisha Paytas (34:38)

For no reason. I love that. I love what you're thinking at the.

Moses Hackman (34:41)

Amc, filling up our. The fountain drink. And also like, reading.

Trisha Paytas (34:45)

Okay. Would you have locations yet for where we should go?

Moses Hackman (34:48)

Like, I was just thinking the gas.

Trisha Paytas (34:49)

Station, but after researching Jake, boy, I love it. You know me. I'm down for a photo shoot. I have like, four photo shoots already planned for February, so what's one more? Really? I love that.

Moses Hackman (34:57)

Yeah, it's pretty camp. It's kind of high camp, in my opinion.

Trisha Paytas (35:00)

I love the COVID That one's not Jacob Elordi, though.

Moses Hackman (35:02)

No, this is Jacob Elordi and Margarita, right? Yeah. That's why I got it.

Trisha Paytas (35:06)

Why? She had brown hair. Did she have brown hair?

Moses Hackman (35:09)

Maybe in the. It's like dark blonde, maybe. Or maybe it's just the stormy skies making it look a little darker than.

Trisha Paytas (35:14)

Oh, I like that one. How far are you on it?

Moses Hackman (35:17)

I am if you skip the little intro part. Like the little page one.

Trisha Paytas (35:29)

Chapter one.

Moses Hackman (35:30)

Chapter one, page one, 1801.

Trisha Paytas (35:32)

You read the intro?

Moses Hackman (35:34)

No. So I didn't read that part.

Trisha Paytas (35:35)

You don't read introductions?

Moses Hackman (35:37)

No, I skipped that.

Trisha Paytas (35:38)

What about memoirs? You read the introduction to memoirs?

Moses Hackman (35:40)

Oh, I guess so. This is just a reader's guide to Wuthering Heights. Like Do I need to know all the historical context behind it? No, I just want to get to the good stuff. Someone compared it to almost like 50 Shades Tease. Because also 50 Shades of Gray came out. It was a Valentine's movie, the first one. And the sexiness of Wuthering Heights is kind of giving that. Wuthering Heights in quotations. I feel like we really gotta, like.

Trisha Paytas (36:02)

Accentuate quotations because it is just a version of.

Moses Hackman (36:05)

Yes. Wuthering Heights. Yeah. But I've.

Trisha Paytas (36:09)

I kind of love that. I love the ideas I love.

Moses Hackman (36:11)

And then I've seen Margot Robbie's quotes about Jacob Elordi, like, kind of go viral already. And people are like, oh, girl, here she goes. I don't know. To preface, she's. Margot Robbie's a smart woman. So I don't know if she's saying this to kind of like, build hype and kind of troll a little bit, like, almost have that. Like, she's a married woman, a mother, but she's talking about her relationship with Jacob Elordi. So I don't know if she's still trying to get that, like, you know, sell the romance of the two of them. But the quotes were crazy. The quotes are crazy. If she actually believes that, that's crazy.

Trisha Paytas (36:43)

No, no, there's no way in my mind, like, I know she doesn't. That would 100 me if I had a big movie coming out. You know, I would be trolling up and down. Like, I would bring out troll Trisha, like, there's no tomorrow. I'd be like, trolling everywhere, reheat these.

Moses Hackman (36:56)

Nachos when euphoria comes out and just be like, yeah, I was so codependent, I guess we should say the actual. She was doing an interview with Fandango to promote Wuthering Heights. And she said, I'm so co dependent with people I work with and I love everyone so much. And I'm always that person who's so devastated when a job's over. I. And I never want it to end. I think I developed that quite quickly with Jacob, too. I don't know if Emerald told you this or to do this or not, but I remember the first couple of days on set, he would always be in the vicinity where I was, like, in a corner watching. I didn't. And then Emerald says, I didn't tell Jacob to do that. And she said she actually had to ask Jacob to leave at some point so he could stop, like, go offset. And Margo said, I found myself starting to look around to see where he was. I was really unnerved and unmoored, and I felt quite lost, like a kid without their blanket or something. And she said that she was just so codependent on having Jacob around, even when he wasn't in the scene.

Trisha Paytas (37:52)

You know what? It's okay. I do think it's a troll, but it is a crazy one because it's Jacob Elordi.

Moses Hackman (37:57)

Do you know what I mean?

Trisha Paytas (37:57)

If I feel like. If it was like John Malkovich or something, it's like nobody cares. But I think because it's like Dave Lord, he might be like. You know what I mean?

Moses Hackman (38:03)

And it's like a hot romance.

Trisha Paytas (38:05)

Yes.

Moses Hackman (38:06)

Where you would kind of want them to really sell the idea that they could be a couple. Because I think when the casting came out, I think we broke the news, like, Moses was the one to react to it.

Trisha Paytas (38:15)

Right.

Moses Hackman (38:15)

When. Like, when the story broke. And I remember we're just like. That casting seems a little crazy. Like Margot Robbie, Jacob Elordi. Why? But now it's like, I see the vision. I do see the vision.

Trisha Paytas (38:26)

But I feel like, rule of thumb, if someone has, like, their fingers in your mouth, you shouldn't troll. You know what I mean? Because it's like you were physically there. So, like, you know, trolling afterwards is kind of crazy, you know, if you have to do some really intimate and stuff.

Moses Hackman (38:37)

Yeah. She. She.

Trisha Paytas (38:39)

I love it.

Moses Hackman (38:40)

I love it.

Trisha Paytas (38:40)

I'm here for it.

Moses Hackman (38:41)

Me too. And, like, it's funny because her husband is also in, like, the business. Like, he's more behind the scenes, like, as a producer and stuff. But he must be, like, super secure because even, like, even though Barbie and Ryan Gosling's Ken weren't like, really a hot couple, like, they still had to sell Barbie and Ken, you know, like, definitely when they were doing the promo Toria. To, like, have the idea of them together.

Trisha Paytas (39:05)

Yes.

Moses Hackman (39:05)

And he was. Tom was so cool during that whole press tour, too. Even Mendes with Ryan Gosling as well. But yeah, this one is just.

Trisha Paytas (39:12)

Well, this is, like, steamy.

Moses Hackman (39:14)

This is, like, sexy.

Trisha Paytas (39:16)

I guess it sometimes lasts. Sometimes it was it Cindy Sweeney and Glenn Powell has. Didn't last right through it.

Moses Hackman (39:21)

Both. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sydney was engaged and that a little bit later. Glenn Powell's in its relationship didn't survive that movie. And then Sydney ended up breaking up with her fiance a couple months later. So. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (39:37)

And I hate to be that person again, but Jason Momo and his new girl Matt on a set too, right?

Moses Hackman (39:41)

Oh, did they really?

Trisha Paytas (39:42)

I don't know that So I guess the point is, is you do have to be very secure because, look, like, I think it's, like, proven that that happens. Obviously, Mr. Mrs. Smith being the biggest one, right? Like, Brad Pitt was with Jennifer Aniston and it's like with Angelina Jolie, like, I think it definitely happens. And like, I've always. I've always been the one to be like, yes, it's acting, but, like, there's a reason. There's chemistry between people and sometimes there's not. You know what I mean? Like, I'd be good. So. Yeah. But I think if you have a good relationship, like, if you know what you got at home, you know what I mean? Then you don't have to, like, it's.

Moses Hackman (40:18)

It's.

Trisha Paytas (40:18)

It's not an issue, I guess, you know.

Moses Hackman (40:21)

And also, Olivia Jade, I gotta give it to that girl. She is kind of stronger than any, like, U.S. marine. Like, literally, she has to be the strongest woman in America. Because even, like, at the Golden Globes when Jacob Elordi was talking to Miley Cyrus, who was also engaged, but everyone was like, oh, Jacob said that he had a crush on Miley Cyrus as a kid. Like, he's like, really trying to get with her, whatever. And then the next day he was back in New York with Olivia Jade. And damn Olivia Jade. She keeps her mouth shut. She is never out there stressing. She's never trying to, like, claim him. She's like, yeah, he's coming back to me. And that's fierce to me.

Trisha Paytas (40:55)

I do think. I do think Olivia Jade, yeah, she does seem like the most secure person. Like, I think she's very. She went through everything. I mean, she went through that college scandal, which is crazy. Which wasn't. I don't even entirely blame her. Like, her mom was having her in a rowboat and being like, you know what I mean? She's probably like, what the f. Yes. Go along with it. But she is gorge. I remember one time going to her house as part of a video with someone we don't need to do, but I wonder. And I remember being like, we're going to surprise. I don't know. I have no idea why. Like, we were surprising her. And it was like. It was literally 11:30pm at night. And I remember, like, going, I don't think they live there anymore. But, like, I remember her house was like the biggest. It was like. It literally was just like, like a little country. There was like, security just everywhere, all, like, all over the place. But her bedroom was just like, literally like the Size of a house. Like, he was like, the little steps down, and I was just like. So all that to say. And she's really beautiful and she, like, has her career as an influencer. I feel like sometimes the pretty people, I think, really do just have a security, you know what I mean? Although dating Jacob, lordy, would be hard because he is always, like, kissing people in the chemistry like he is with all these beautiful people all the time.

Moses Hackman (42:05)

Like, I. I could never do it. I really couldn't. Especially because she's not as famous as Jacob Laurie. Like, I think if she was equally famous, it'd be a little bit more balanced. Obviously, she's like, comes from a really. A famous family, a really wealthy family, so that gives her, like, some elevation. But, like, in the mainstream media, like, she's not. She's not really known for anything in particular besides, like, her parents and being an influencer. And Jacob is probably going to be. Oscar nominations are tomorrow morning, but today, if you're watching this, so.

Trisha Paytas (42:39)

Oh, no.

Moses Hackman (42:40)

As a betting woman, I would bet Jacob Elordi, probably an Oscar nominee. Do they do carpets together, Olivia and Jacob? Yeah, they've only done one. They did jq, gq, Men of the Year awards last year, I want to say. And they've been, I think, on and off a lot. Like, they're. They never confirm anything themselves, obviously, but there's always reports that they break up, but then they end up being back together somehow. So it's kind of like all over the place. Place.

Trisha Paytas (43:05)

You think I shout her out, like, Timmy style?

Moses Hackman (43:06)

No, I really don't know.

Trisha Paytas (43:09)

That's crazy, right? Like, even if you're with someone, it should be. I'm gonna be a little hypocrite here. It should be very Jason Momoa. This is the love of my life. Even if you're together two weeks. Do you know what I mean? Like, you should. If you're. If you're dating the person at the time of the Oscar, like, you should be. You should get that thing. Thank you.

Moses Hackman (43:24)

I guess. But if they're so on and off again and the Oscar speech kind of lives forever, you know?

Trisha Paytas (43:29)

Yeah. But as you should, like, claim the woman you love in the moment. Do you know what I mean? Like, you know, you can have multiple loves of your lives.

Moses Hackman (43:37)

Oh, okay. You're roasting Jason Momoa being so upset.

Trisha Paytas (43:44)

Well, I was thinking about it. You slept more than one. You know what? I really should sleep on everything. Even the email. I sent an email last night. I woke up this morning, had to be like, Hello, Good morning. After sleeping on it. And I was like, a professional email, and I had, like, a serious topic, and I was like, I should just always wait. I always should wait. Rule of thumb, everyone should always wait. But, yeah, I think I multiple loves your life, and I think you should thank whatever woman you're currently with, because women are. They run the world according to Beyonce. And I think, like, there is a reason why people like, you know what I mean? Like, when you date someone who's a good example of this, maybe Christy and Desmond, because they're on my mind right now, but, like, people sometimes want to date the guy because of the girl. Do you know what I mean? I see, like, they're like, oh, I like her lifestyle, like her. Or if I can get her man, I can be her. Yeah, but you can't. Yeah, you know, you can. You can take the man, I suppose, but you'll never be Christie or you'll never be. You know what I mean? So when Olivia Jade is dating someone, not to say Jake Lord, he isn't, like, lusted over already, but I do think it, like, puts him in a certain light. For me. I can. I can relate it to, like, Harry Styles, where I was like, meh, whatever. And then I see him date, like, Zoe Kravitz, and I was like, wait a minute. You know what I mean? And that's how I think about Jason Momoa, too. I was like, wow, He. He gets, like, all, like, these beautiful. Like, he got Lisa Bonet. Like, he. He's hot. Obviously he's hot on his own, but do you know what I mean? I feel like that elevates people.

Moses Hackman (44:59)

Yeah. I mean, I think the quintessential example is, like, Pete Davidson, Ariana Grande.

Trisha Paytas (45:05)

Okay, that's a better example. Not really.

Moses Hackman (45:08)

Yeah, because that just, like, elevated him into, like, the stratosphere. But yeah. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (45:14)

So I think people. Anyways, that's my point is you should thank the person you're the girl you're with because it makes you look cooler.

Moses Hackman (45:20)

Work.

Trisha Paytas (45:21)

Yeah. You know, that's what I think. I was the gay movie he did, what is the Horses one, right?

Moses Hackman (45:29)

Yes.

Trisha Paytas (45:30)

You ever see. It's pretty good.

Moses Hackman (45:31)

No one. You saw it?

Trisha Paytas (45:31)

Yeah, because I was working on something where the makeup artist worked on it on Swift Horses. Yeah. I feel like you would like it. People said it was boring, but I kind of liked it.

Moses Hackman (45:40)

Okay, well, I'm not really good with historical fiction. Tease.

Trisha Paytas (45:43)

I mean, Wuthering Heights.

Moses Hackman (45:46)

Oh, yeah.

Oscar Craig (45:46)

Work.

Moses Hackman (45:47)

But this is the sexified version with the giant strawberry like, that's like almost science fiction. That's like fantasies.

Trisha Paytas (45:52)

The fact that you saw the giant strawberry. Because I was so watching. I was like, how did you pick up on that the first time? That's so random.

Moses Hackman (45:56)

It was like. It was a big thing, the giant strawberry. Because everyone was, like, so upset about the concept of this being a Wuthering Heights adaptation, but having it be, like, whitewashed and having the costumes be so crazy and, like, the different ages between, like, Margot and Jacob Elordi and stuff. But then they saw the giant strawberry and they're like, oh, this is camp. This is camp. It's almost like that. It always comes that Tina Fey quote to Bowen Yang where it's like in the Emerald finale when there's a. And there's a twist in the third act or whatever.

Trisha Paytas (46:25)

Yes.

Moses Hackman (46:25)

I feel like the twist in the third act is gonna be. It's all in her head or something, watching me. Completely wrong.

Trisha Paytas (46:30)

And it's just a real adaptation that makes sense, actually.

Moses Hackman (46:34)

Right.

Trisha Paytas (46:34)

Did you see the giant strawberry I got in West Hollywood?

Moses Hackman (46:37)

No.

Trisha Paytas (46:37)

They have this place called. It's Aura Bakery. Aura Bakery or something like that. And they have these giant oranges. You never see them on TikTok. Shout out Jane Mukbangs. Does it.

Moses Hackman (46:45)

I thought the giant strawberry was, like, erewhon or something, but.

Trisha Paytas (46:48)

But no, they have an expensive. We should try that, though. Or maybe a Chinese one. Maybe there's a Chinese one and we're in our Chinese. You missed the Chinese baddie conversation. But it was a great one. It was. We're in it. We're in it now. We're hardcore in it. Anyways, they have a giant strawberry at that place, and inside it's like, cream and, like, sponge cake. Do you like strawberry shortcake?

Moses Hackman (47:06)

Yes, love, obviously.

Trisha Paytas (47:07)

Oh, really?

Moses Hackman (47:08)

Yes.

Trisha Paytas (47:09)

Oh, my God. Nobody I know like strawberry shortcake, but you, me, and Tana love it. That's so crazy.

Moses Hackman (47:12)

Oh, I love a strawberry shortcake.

Trisha Paytas (47:13)

We should do, like, a strawberry shortcake, like, festival or something for Patreon.

Oscar Craig (47:16)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (47:17)

Does have everyone break strawberry shortcakes. I love it so much. Okay, but now. Now I'm thinking, like, we should do a Wuthering Heights one, like, with the giant strawberry. But anyways, they're so good. It's basically. It looks like a giant strawberry. It's, like this big, and you bite into it and it, like, crunches, and it's, like, spongy and strawberry inside.

Moses Hackman (47:32)

That sounds amazing.

Trisha Paytas (47:33)

Oh, okay. Look at that. I'm trying to figure out how to incorporate that into A Patreon, but we'll figure it out. It's so, so good. It's almost worth driving there to get because you kind of have to have them fresh. Remember, my mom brought them for my birthday and they were, like, melted, and they were kind of like. But when I did it fresh, it was so maybe.

Oscar Craig (47:47)

It's amazing.

Trisha Paytas (47:49)

Yeah. I guess I brought it home. It was fine when we put it in the freezer, but I can always.

Oscar Craig (47:53)

Give you a cooler. Oh, that's what I did last time I went to get groceries at the cooler in the car.

Trisha Paytas (48:01)

Oh, that's a good idea. Okay. Yeah, I. I mean, what's the age difference? You said. I didn't know.

Moses Hackman (48:09)

Jacob is just. I think Jacob is 28.

Trisha Paytas (48:12)

No. Oh, he's young.

Moses Hackman (48:13)

He's 28. And then Margot Robbie, I think, is older than me.

Trisha Paytas (48:16)

I think she's 37.

Moses Hackman (48:18)

She's 35.

Trisha Paytas (48:21)

Oh, okay. That's not bad.

Moses Hackman (48:22)

Humongous. Yeah. I don't know. People made a big deal about. I think, for as far as the. With the book, I guess, or whatever.

Trisha Paytas (48:28)

That is so funny.

Moses Hackman (48:29)

I guess when I read it, I'll have a better idea, but.

Trisha Paytas (48:31)

Yeah. Yeah, I need to get on it actually, too. I kind of stopped at, like, the third chapter, but I need. I need to get on it for sure. I thought I was, like, halfway through, and I was like, no, I should listen to it. I had a long drive yesterday. I could have listened to it, but I didn't. Well, you know, it's Margot Robbie. What does her husband look like? Not that it matters.

Moses Hackman (48:45)

He's attractive. He looks just like a normal white guy. He gives very normal guy energy. Like, he's tall, white.

Trisha Paytas (48:53)

Right.

Moses Hackman (48:54)

Like, dark blonde hair.

Trisha Paytas (48:55)

Okay.

Moses Hackman (48:57)

And then Jacob did have a quote that I think Moses will be very excited about. I think this is what's going to win you over and make you, like, opening night and at Wuthering Heights.

Trisha Paytas (49:06)

Oh, we're gonna be there. We're already gonna be there.

Moses Hackman (49:08)

He said. Jacob Elordi said that in the. When they were filming in the English countryside, that they would play Kate Bush's Wuthering Heights song on the moors to get in the spirit. He said it was this really sort of profound thing, being Heathcliff and Kathy, watching the sunset on the moors as the spirit of these characters have for the last 200 years. You can almost imagine that the spirit of this love that Bronte created is floating around there. It really did feel like we were catching a little pieces that. Of that unrequited Love from them sounds crazy, but I'm here for it.

Trisha Paytas (49:39)

I love it is very poetic the way they're talking. Are they. Did they actually say this? Like there's an audio of them saying this or someone wrote this for them.

Moses Hackman (49:44)

I think it must have been on camera cuz it's a fandango.

Trisha Paytas (49:47)

It's giving. Poetic like it's giving. Who wrote this?

Moses Hackman (49:49)

Like I read an. Obviously read an article.

Trisha Paytas (49:52)

I love it. I love it.

Oscar Craig (49:54)

I got goosebumps just thinking about it.

Trisha Paytas (49:56)

Really? Yeah. We were looking to you for the expertise on weathering heights but realizing you only know the song and I not the story.

Oscar Craig (50:02)

But still I think I have more.

Trisha Paytas (50:04)

You feel it?

Oscar Craig (50:05)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (50:05)

What do you feel from just the song? Cuz you don't know the story.

Oscar Craig (50:09)

Well, the song is so like haunting. You know, it's like it's. It's. You can feel the passion and the longing and the.

Trisha Paytas (50:17)

What is the song about? Welcome to. Welcome to. He's.

Moses Hackman (50:27)

He's clean.

Oscar Craig (50:29)

It just sounds like she's calling him. You know the whole song is her calling him. It's me, Kathy, come home to come to mind.

Trisha Paytas (50:35)

Do you know all the words?

Oscar Craig (50:38)

When I listen to it, it's different. I mean your window.

Trisha Paytas (50:42)

Open your window.

Oscar Craig (50:44)

It's me, Kathy. It's me in the window. Like she's, she's. I guess it kind of gives stalker vibes. It's me outside the window looking at.

Trisha Paytas (50:52)

I love it. I love. I don't love stalkers, but I do love a little stalker vibe song.

Oscar Craig (50:57)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (50:58)

Okay, well we're seated for you. Go to open tonight.

Moses Hackman (51:02)

Yeah. I'm so excited. I'm so excited.

Trisha Paytas (51:05)

I don't even know.

Moses Hackman (51:05)

I hadn't literally no buzz or like I wasn't that once I saw that. Actually the first thing I saw before the trailer was the Charlie XCX music video. And Charlie was kind of serving in that I was living for it. The aesthetic and then the trailer. I was like this is it. I love a movie like. Like it does. Give me back to 50 shades of gray and I remember seeing that movie when I was at Access Hollywood or me and every middle aged woman in the office all went to see it like at a early industry screening because we were that excited. I lived, I lit and I was so. Yeah, I was like youngish at the time. Like 24 or something.

Trisha Paytas (51:39)

Did you like it? You love.

Moses Hackman (51:42)

I love like a dramatic like romance like that. That's like kind of a phenomenon too. I think it has to have like the pop and then also Just be, like, so romantic like that. Especially back in the day when I was, like, single and, like, that's all I had going for me was like.

Trisha Paytas (51:57)

No, I was too. I was living in my beach apartment. I want to go see by myself. And I just remember being like. And then even rewatching it with, like, Moses. I was like, oh, I want to watch, like, you know, I used to love, like, corny movies back in the day. And I just, like, gave me nothing. I felt zero.

Moses Hackman (52:09)

I. The one I remember the most vividly is the first one. I think by the time the third one came, I was like, I kind of have fallen off.

Trisha Paytas (52:15)

Never seen.

Moses Hackman (52:16)

But the. I think when it was, like, fresh and new, I was, like, really into it.

Trisha Paytas (52:21)

Because then they have a baby in the third one.

Moses Hackman (52:23)

I have no idea. I don't remember that at all.

Trisha Paytas (52:25)

Yeah, I think they had a kid, which I'm like, okay. Which. I don't even know what happened, but it's like, grow up. Because I think he was like, I can't have this baby. I'm like, okay, you're like, you're an adult. You're a dad. Like, get. Get it together. I don't know. The only thing seemed juvenile, not sexy. I love. I love Dakota Johnson. I don't know who the guy was, but I don't love him.

Moses Hackman (52:40)

Jimmy Dornan, who was the other one.

Trisha Paytas (52:42)

That was up for it because it was like they were on. Oh, Rob Pattinson, right?

Moses Hackman (52:44)

No, no, Charlie D. No, he. He is the. In the Addison Ray Netflix true crime series. He's the killer. Charlie Hummel. Not Charlie Hummel. That's Kurt.

Trisha Paytas (52:55)

I know. Who's Charlie Dunham? I think his name's on him. Charlie.

Moses Hackman (52:59)

Is it Hunnam?

Trisha Paytas (53:00)

We were so closed it.

Moses Hackman (53:09)

He was. I think he was originally cast and he dropped out. And then it went to Jamie Dornan.

Trisha Paytas (53:13)

But why'd he drop out?

Moses Hackman (53:15)

I actually don't remember, but that was the whole thing. And I thought Jamie Dornan was good in it, though. I mean, again, I. The bar was low for me.

Trisha Paytas (53:23)

He was hot, so wasn't giving much for me. But was he famous before or after?

Moses Hackman (53:28)

Not really. It gave him a bit of a boost, I think, like, fame wise. But I don't know what he's kind of worked on.

Trisha Paytas (53:35)

Isn't that crazy, though? Like, he wasn't such a big movie. And, like, obviously Johnson went on to do big things, but, like, he kind of didn't. And it's like, how can you be in such a big movie and not like launch you.

Moses Hackman (53:45)

I know. I guess it depends on what you take on. Like afterwards. I mean, Dakota Johnson.

Trisha Paytas (53:52)

She was kind.

Moses Hackman (53:53)

Of in a little bit. She was in like romcoms after that. She was kind of in everything, to be honest. But she's also like Nepo baby. And so she has that going for her as well. So she has like a bit of an advantage.

Trisha Paytas (54:02)

But the other guy that played Aladdin, he was in nothing else after that.

Moses Hackman (54:07)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (54:08)

And he was so good.

Moses Hackman (54:09)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (54:10)

Eric. Oh, Meta Massard. Yeah.

Moses Hackman (54:13)

And that was the whole thing too. I think he talked about afterwards how he kind of felt like he should. It was in a billion dollar movie, so he should have had opportunities.

Trisha Paytas (54:21)

Yeah.

Moses Hackman (54:21)

But he didn't.

Trisha Paytas (54:22)

That's so weird.

Moses Hackman (54:23)

Yeah, I think for him too. Probably a little bit of racism, I would think, as well as like an actor of color.

Trisha Paytas (54:29)

Oh, okay, that makes sense.

Moses Hackman (54:30)

Naomi Scott, who was Jasmine in that? She was in Smile too. And she was really good in it. It's like a horror movie and she was great in it. Like, critically acclaimed performance. But besides that, she hasn't gotten too much work either.

Trisha Paytas (54:41)

Charlie's Angels.

Moses Hackman (54:42)

She had Charlie's Angels. She was in Power Rangers.

Trisha Paytas (54:45)

Oh, big movies. Power Rangers. When did that come out? Jeremy loves Power Rangers. I'm surprised I never heard about it.

Moses Hackman (54:50)

2018.

Trisha Paytas (54:51)

Did no one care?

Moses Hackman (54:52)

Because I feel like I would see it. It just wasn't very good. And Charlie's Angels also wasn't very good.

Trisha Paytas (54:57)

That says. Yeah, sometimes it's just like the writing and not the acting.

Moses Hackman (55:00)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (55:00)

Yeah, that makes sense. I guess we also see that with. Is it Simone Ashley from yes, Bridgerton too, who's like, obviously the breakout star and then was an F1 and then they cut like everything and you're like.

Moses Hackman (55:12)

I know, I know.

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Moses Hackman (56:32)

I guess another Netflix show that's in drama is the Queer Eye Drama. And I am not a Queer Eye person, but I've kind of been obsessed with the drama surrounding it. After the interview with Gayle King, I.

Trisha Paytas (56:45)

Had no reception yesterday. Like, literally the whole day. And then I get to my car and I see like, like 30 group chats from like Jimmy, Oscar Moses.

Moses Hackman (56:53)

And I'm like, this is the manager dissecting the Queer Eye. The Queer Eye drama, like multiple times?

Trisha Paytas (57:01)

Like, yes, like what?

Oscar Craig (57:02)

Because I literally just got off tick tock. Like, the clip of him came up and then I was trying to figure out what's going on. Like, what the queer.

Trisha Paytas (57:10)

I know nothing. So I really do want to know this because, like, first of all, because.

Oscar Craig (57:12)

It didn't make sense.

Trisha Paytas (57:13)

I like where I. Yeah, I didn't know it was still on, but I like it.

Moses Hackman (57:16)

Yeah, it's been 10. This is the 10th season, 10th and.

Trisha Paytas (57:19)

Final of the new of.

Moses Hackman (57:21)

Yeah, this. It premiered in 2018. This rebooted queer Eye.

Trisha Paytas (57:26)

Wow. So were they doing, like, they would.

Moses Hackman (57:27)

Have like to see multiple seasons a year?

Trisha Paytas (57:29)

Wow, good run. Whatever's happening. If they're getting canceled, like, they had a good run. I have to see if you get 10 seasons of a show.

Moses Hackman (57:35)

That's crazy.

Trisha Paytas (57:35)

That's amazing because they're the original 10 years. When was the original Queer Eye?

Moses Hackman (57:39)

Early 2000s. Right?

Trisha Paytas (57:41)

Oh, my gosh. Damn. I feel so old. Because to me, Queer Eyes, Carson Kressley.

Moses Hackman (57:45)

I was like, 2003 was the first one because it was like, yeah, gay people couldn't even vote when the first one. I mean, not vote. Oh my God, get married. I was with you. I was like, no hate, no hate, no hate.

Trisha Paytas (57:58)

Oh my gosh. So funny. Us being like, I want to donate to the no Hate campaign. And Jimmy's like, well, the website hasn't been working since 2018. Why did they still have it?

Moses Hackman (58:06)

Yeah, why are they still paying for the domain? But, yeah, because I'm like, proposition eight.

Trisha Paytas (58:11)

You know, that's gay. Oh, that's the. That was the gay marriage.

Moses Hackman (58:14)

Yes. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (58:15)

And this was so. Gays couldn't even get married back then.

Moses Hackman (58:18)

Yeah. When the first queer I was on, which is crazy. Like the, the leap and just, I mean, when you think about it, not that long, right? Like 2003. The first one premiere in 2018. The second one premiered like those 15.

Trisha Paytas (58:28)

It was so monumental because I was in Illinois at the time, and I remember, like my mom and sister and I were like obsessed. And I really, truly feel for all of us. It was like the first time seeing. Yeah. And it was. But we, like, loved. You know, that's when we're like, we love this so much. And I feel like that's when it really, like, like, like clocked to us where I was like, oh, my God, these are the people we want to be around. But you would never have seen it. I. I loved it. They were so fun. And you never saw people like that on tv. You're just like, I love these people.

Moses Hackman (58:53)

And that's what I've read, like, so many articles investigating this, but the one article that Rolling Stone did kind of like a deep dive when one of the Fab Five first left the show.

Trisha Paytas (59:04)

Love the name Fab Five.

Moses Hackman (59:05)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (59:05)

Who says that? I love that.

Moses Hackman (59:06)

That's what they're called. Like they call themselves. Loves that.

Trisha Paytas (59:08)

Oh, I love.

Moses Hackman (59:09)

Yeah, okay. But Bobby Burke, he was the first one to leave. And then after he left, they kind of did a little investigation and they said, like, that was kind of the point of the show. Like, it was never cool with, like, gay people. Like, gay. You know, like the girls are seated for Drag Race, but they're not really seated for Queer Eyes.

Trisha Paytas (59:23)

I see.

Moses Hackman (59:24)

But it would be like the middle aged, maybe the. A mom in the Midwest who like, has a queer son, doesn't know how to navigate it. And that's like exposure to queer people. So that's kind of sweet.

Trisha Paytas (59:35)

I think that's very sweet. That's definitely my mom too. Just being like, love. This is like, I don't know. You're just like, yeah, something you don't know about.

Moses Hackman (59:42)

That's kind of like the demo. So there's so much mess here. Okay. So it premiered 2018, and then it was originally. Right now, Jeremiah Brent is a part of the Fab Five. But before him was Bobby Burke. He was another member of it. And Bobby ended up leaving after eight seasons. And it was kind of drama with his exit too. So the. With the Five. Five, there's Anthony Tan, Bobby originally Karamo, and Jonathan Van Ness. Okay. So, yeah, jvn. Yep. So you have, I guess there was this big expose with, like, members of, like, production and stuff. Rolling Stone did a whole interview and there was, I guess, drama for a long time because, like, each of them kind of wanted to be like the breakout star, each member of the Fab Five. And then JVN was kind of the one that was taking off the most. And production sources said that JVN was turning into, like a monster on set, like a big ego, like, hard to work with. The. The other member of the Fab Fives didn't want to, like, film with them because they were just like very big headed, egotistical, whatever, which is really shocking because JVN is the. Their whole, like, Persona is like the sweet. The sweetest one ever. Like, so wholesome and stuff.

Trisha Paytas (61:00)

They were on the Dax Shepard one where Dax put his, like, dumb in his mouth.

Moses Hackman (61:04)

Yeah. So it just like completely goes against, like, JVN's, like, Brandon Persona. But they all were trying to, like, brand themselves as like, individuals and all kind of wanted to be like the breakout. Like, Karamo had a talk show called Karamo and I think it was mostly on YouTube and I forgot what channel it was. It was on one of the basic cable channels though, I believe. And it never, like, did incredibly well ratings wise or anything. But Karama had his own show and he has, like a memoir. Anthony, his whole thing is like being a chef and he, like, started his own restaurant in New York, but it shut down recently. Tan ended up.

Trisha Paytas (61:44)

Why did you say like that?

Moses Hackman (61:45)

Because they all, like, try to become a thing, like be their own brand, but all their, like, individual forays flopped.

Trisha Paytas (61:53)

At least they got something.

Moses Hackman (61:54)

At least they got something.

Trisha Paytas (61:54)

Yeah, like, you know, even having a talk show. If I had a talk show for like half a season, I'd be like, well, at least I got a few.

Moses Hackman (61:59)

Yes. So, like, Karama's talk show ended up being a flop. Anthony's restaurant ended up getting shut down. Tan was the host of a Netflix show with Gigi Hadid that ended up not doing well. JVN's hair care line ended up flopping as well. Yeah. So, like, all of their individual things ended up flopping.

Trisha Paytas (62:16)

The Curse of the Queer Eye.

Moses Hackman (62:17)

It is kind of that. Right? And then. So that's why the show, they all Kind of agree to keep doing the show because they needed something to, like, be the anchor to, like, uplift them so they wouldn't just, like, you know, fall into, like, obscurity.

Trisha Paytas (62:28)

That's a good rule everyone should have, you know, always stick to your roots.

Moses Hackman (62:31)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (62:32)

Because I think once you, like, leave that and they're like, actually, we don't want this.

Moses Hackman (62:34)

And then here's the team with the. So it all comes back to Karama, which is the hot topic. But name it is a good name, right?

Trisha Paytas (62:40)

Is he cute?

Moses Hackman (62:41)

He's cute. He was originally in the real world, actually. And his, like, beat in the show is like, mental health because they all have their, like, verticals, basically.

Trisha Paytas (62:50)

Is he good mental health or mentally ill?

Oscar Craig (62:53)

He.

Moses Hackman (62:55)

You'll be able to relate to him because he, in his memoir, talks a lot, a lot about, like, addiction and being in bad, like, relationships and, like, very, like, toxic relationships. And a lot of the times he was, like, the toxic one. And how he had to, like, end up, you know, getting help and then going back and, like, having to apologize to his other partners for, like, his behavior and stuff.

Trisha Paytas (63:15)

Me. So we like Karamo.

Moses Hackman (63:19)

I do. And I'm like, especially he's for, like, a queer. A queer black man. I feel like he, you know, there has to be a lot of sensitivities there with, like, his treatment. A lot of people don't like Karamo because of how his interactions with people on his talk show because his vertical is, like, mental health. But he, like, does not have any, like, experience, professional experience in the field. Like, it's just, like, personal. Like, he's gone through a lot. So that's how he is a mental health champion.

Trisha Paytas (63:49)

But they don't love.

Moses Hackman (63:50)

They don't like that, I think, because people. And this is just from a summary of what I read, basically. But a lot of people thought he would, like, talk with, like, authority on things despite, like, not having the qualifications of, like, a mental health professional, basically. And, like, the big thing that comes up is he infamously, his. The big thing that everyone always points to is during the pink sauce debacle. Remember?

Trisha Paytas (64:12)

Loved. Yes. Okay. Okay. What do you say?

Moses Hackman (64:14)

So he had the pink sauce girl on it. Sorry I forget her name, but. So he had her on his talk show.

Trisha Paytas (64:20)

Yes.

Moses Hackman (64:20)

And then he had someone who went viral on Tick Tock for being like, this pink sauce, like, is not, like, cleared by, like, the FDA or whatever. And he was, like, on Team Pink Sauce, and he was, like, lambasting the girl that was like, you are just like, ruining her career. Like, who cares about this, this and this? But everyone was like, oh, that's not like, the whole. All the audience, all the viewers are like, but this actually matters. If there's stuff in there that is like, not what she says she.

Trisha Paytas (64:47)

It is, yeah, wild, like, platform. Like, have someone come on here. And by the way, you suck.

Moses Hackman (64:51)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (64:51)

Like, you just go past it.

Moses Hackman (64:53)

So he was very, like, catty with the girl who was calling out the pink sauce. So everyone kind of points to that.

Trisha Paytas (64:59)

But also, maybe a misstep from, like, I would assume we talk about this even with valves, not to give them grace, but it's like, producers. Maybe, like you were saying, like, producers are telling them, like, hit a point. And so maybe they did that, or.

Moses Hackman (65:10)

I think just didn't have all the facts, but then just, like, really went in there, like, full force, right? And was like, not, like, open and hearing the other side, really. I think he went into that segment with his opinion made versus, like, being open and hearing the other side and kind of, like, coming somewhere in the middle.

Trisha Paytas (65:27)

Got it.

Moses Hackman (65:28)

Got it. I think he went in hot. Too hot, you know, But I'm not.

Trisha Paytas (65:32)

Completely against that one, because I'm like, I feel like if you were telling me to go in hot with somebody, like, all right, we got you. And then I'm like, oh, wait, I don't know what I'm talking about.

Moses Hackman (65:38)

So I kind of. People have, like, really strong opinions about them. I don't know that much, but from what I read, like, nothing. Was that, like, yeah, crazy.

Trisha Paytas (65:44)

That's the biggest. Yeah, that's like.

Moses Hackman (65:47)

But anyway, so in season eight, it was the original Fab Five to go back, because this sets the foundation. It was original Fab Five, and then Bobby Burke was having trouble with tan, basically. In summation, none of them are friends. They all signed on for to do two more seasons, and Bobby thought the show was ending at season eight, and no one told him that it wasn't ending. So he never, like, renewed his contract because he thought they were all in it together, ending the show like they did. They did a whole announcement. It's the end of Queer Eye at season eight. And then Netflix. And it was during the writer strike, so Netflix ended up signing them on for two more seasons and then just didn't ask Bobby. So he was, like, kind of just, like, left out.

Trisha Paytas (66:25)

And then Netflix didn't ask him.

Moses Hackman (66:26)

It was like, also, the theory is.

Oscar Craig (66:29)

But also, like, your co host will tell you, like, you talk to people.

Moses Hackman (66:32)

And he has drama. He has A big fight with Tan France. Tan is best friends with Anthony, so they are kind of like a duo JVN kind of on their own. And then Kurama was good friends with Bobby. So Bobby. When. When Bobby left, Karama was like, really upset about it. And Tan ended up championing Jeremiah Brent to be his replacement. And Jeremiah is, like, a really big interior designer. Clock this.

Oscar Craig (67:01)

He's.

Moses Hackman (67:01)

Here's the line with God. What is his name? He has a petsmart line, by the way. You guys. Girls, if you got pets, not spawns. But Jeremiah Brent's petsmart line goes pretty hard.

Trisha Paytas (67:10)

So what is it?

Moses Hackman (67:11)

He designs a pet for, like, modern pet furniture, and that's really fierce.

Trisha Paytas (67:17)

Furniture.

Moses Hackman (67:18)

Like.

Trisha Paytas (67:20)

Like.

Moses Hackman (67:20)

Like. Like aquarium stands and aquarium decor. Hamster decor. Pet beds. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (67:27)

Wow. And there's an industry for that.

Moses Hackman (67:29)

There is an industry for that. Cuz, like, it all kind of looks lame. But him and Nate Burkus, who's, like, a big interior designer, I think maybe.

Trisha Paytas (67:35)

Just you are into that.

Moses Hackman (67:36)

Oh, I don't know. It flies off the shelves at petsmart.

Trisha Paytas (67:39)

Really?

Moses Hackman (67:40)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (67:40)

Pet smarts are still around. Nate Burkus. I know he was Oprah's friend, and he had gold scissors at Target.

Moses Hackman (67:46)

Okay. Yes. He always had, like, the Nate burgers for Target line. Yeah. So they're a power couple. And Tira design. Power couple.

Trisha Paytas (67:51)

Oh, who's he with?

Moses Hackman (67:51)

Jeremiah Brent.

Trisha Paytas (67:52)

They're dating.

Moses Hackman (67:53)

Yeah. They might be married even. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (67:55)

Oh, unstoppable. But anyway, so Jeremiah doesn't need Queer Eyes. He's got neighbors, kind of.

Moses Hackman (67:59)

Yeah, he's doing his own thing. Like, he's already pretty successful, but he's, like, really good friends with Tan.

Oscar Craig (68:04)

So.

Moses Hackman (68:05)

Tan. The room allegedly, Tan says no, but. Well, Bobby says yes, that he kind of was pushing for Jeremiah to replace.

Trisha Paytas (68:13)

That's a crazy thing to say. No. Because as we know, I push you in every single thing I've ever been a part of, and I would never be like, no, that's not true. It's like.

Moses Hackman (68:20)

No, it's true.

Trisha Paytas (68:20)

Like, I love Oscar. Like, use Oscar for everything, but that's, like, not a bad thing, right?

Moses Hackman (68:23)

Why would he deny, like, what you want your friend to like? I think he just didn't want to look like you trying to, like, you know, replace Bobby. But that's how Bobby feels. And they. Bobby has later said that they had, like, a huge fight. Him and Tan had a huge fight. Bobby had, like, went and unfollowed everyone, so it was, like, very toxic. And then. So that lays the founder the foundation, because, again, Bobby and Kramo are like the closer of the two of. In the group of five.

Trisha Paytas (68:52)

So then when Bobby's been out, though.

Moses Hackman (68:54)

Bobby's been out. Yeah, since 2024.

Trisha Paytas (68:57)

Got it.

Moses Hackman (68:59)

So, yeah, Jeremiah has already. He was on season nine. This is season ten. The press week for Queer Eye was supposed to start yesterday. And then the Fab Five was. They were supposed to do. They were booked for a whole day of press. Like, they were doing CBS with Gayle King, then the Today show after. And then they were doing all the other outlets like et, Access Hollywood, everything. And then the four of them show up for Gayle King and then Gayle King drops the bombshell on them. Karamo's not here. She reads a statement from Karamo and they're kind of like blindsided by it, which that is gaggy to me.

Trisha Paytas (69:33)

Like, imagine live tv.

Moses Hackman (69:34)

Imagine if we have a press tour for, I don't know, we have the judge for just Trish.

Trisha Paytas (69:38)

Right.

Moses Hackman (69:39)

And then I don't show up. You're wondering where I'm at. And then you're sitting with, like, Alex Cooper. And Alex Cooper is Trisha. Oscar says he couldn't be here today because for his mental health. What he. And claims of bullying. Wouldn't that be crazy?

Trisha Paytas (69:53)

Claims of bullying is crazy. If you like mental health. Understood. I get that. Everyone deserves a mental health. If you're like, like. And also he says you bully him. I'd be like, what the. Like, that'd be so crazy. And then what do you say? So did she say that? Yeah.

Moses Hackman (70:03)

So she read this. She said that we. We received word less than an hour ago that Karama Brown is not going to be joining us today. And then she read the statement from Karamo that said, I hope that everyone remembers the main theme I have tried to teach them over the past decade, which is to focus and to protect the mental health peace from people or world who seek to destroy it. Which is why I can't be there. And he. Gail said that his assistant had claimed that Kurama was afraid of, quote, being bullied. And then, yeah, she kind of like blindsided the rest of. Of SFAB 4. And they were kind of. They were pretty goof. They were all pretty group.

Trisha Paytas (70:40)

Were they all holding hands? Is this the one I see where they're all hands?

Moses Hackman (70:43)

Yes.

Trisha Paytas (70:43)

Were they holding hands before or after this?

Moses Hackman (70:46)

She literally started the segment with that. So I think it was like that's when they.

Trisha Paytas (70:50)

But were they all just saying normal? And all of them, they're like, grasp, like, oh, my gosh I think yourselves. That was crazy because I didn't know the context of the photo. I'm like, something scary is happening.

Oscar Craig (70:59)

Like, I couldn't believe something that could happen. That's why I didn't understand what was happening. I was so confused.

Trisha Paytas (71:05)

Don't read those texts out of context. I was so confused. But then he say, they're bullying. I was like, what is happening? And I couldn't fully grasp it. But okay.

Moses Hackman (71:12)

I know. Even it took me a while too because I was like, what exactly like is going on here? And then like, as I go back and read the articles and expose, because articles have been coming out for a couple years about the working conditions on the show. I was like, oh, this is actually tea.

Trisha Paytas (71:27)

I think your context is so important because, like now, because it's like, okay, well, he said, she said whatever. But it does sound. Maybe they have a history of.

Moses Hackman (71:33)

Yeah, I think they just are not friends. And you have five people who like each want to be like the star of the show and they're all going to kind of be like competing for that. So it is this kind of toxic thing. Toxic like work environment. Especially when like the five of them are supposed to be like a family, you know, and like best friends.

Trisha Paytas (71:54)

Yeah.

Moses Hackman (71:55)

Work well together and stuff. So it's one of those things for like the. What you see on the show being so like the complete opposite of like what it is in reality. It is wild though. Just like not give them a heads up or anything. Just like completely blindside them by not showing up. It is, it's fierce. Wild, but fierce is fierce.

Trisha Paytas (72:15)

Yeah, I think. And I. Okay, I'm very new to this, but kind of on the team of Karamo because it's like if you are going through some, right. Like, I, I at least not team him. I at least like applaud him for being like, I can't, I can't do this. You know what I mean? I can't sit there and be fake or I can't sit there next to them if there's something that went down. It is wild to do that on like live tv. But like respect, you know, if you can't show up, you can't show up. I'm a firm believer. It's like if you're having a mental health day or whatever, like mental health doesn't have a time, doesn't have a warning. It's just like, this is what it is. I can't do this today. I might actually crash out.

Moses Hackman (72:51)

Yeah. I think it is like a commendable to look out for yourself first. I think he definitely wanted to make a statement, though, like, by doing it so publicly and, like, blindsighting them pretty much live on tv. Like, that's crazy. Fears nonetheless, like I said, it is fierce. Like, I'm so curious how bad that things got. Like. Yeah, it is hard to tell based off all, like, you know, hearsay and stuff. As of right now, I'm assuming worse.

Trisha Paytas (73:20)

Than you would think because it's like, you know, when people are, like, silent and they don't say stuff like, I feel like. I think we kind of got that. We talked about the. On the Patreon this week, the extended podcast where it was like the. The Brooklyn Beckham thing.

Moses Hackman (73:31)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (73:31)

And then you could kind of tell by David Beckham's response that, oh, it's like, way worse than we thought. You know what I mean? Because, you know, normal parent would be like. Like, support my child no matter what. But he was like. The way he responded was like, oh, I think there's, like, way more to it. So I think in general, it's always way worse and people are just doing their best at holding their tongue. You know what I mean?

Moses Hackman (73:51)

Yeah. Because, like, even with. The only thing I can kind of compare it to my head to is like, with Stranger Things. But when, before that came out, there was all the reports of David Harbour, Millie, Bobby Brown, like, not getting along and claims of bullying and stuff on set. And then of course that, like, there was statements saying that wasn't true, whatever. Then the press tour happened and David and Millie, like, you know, did a couple carpets together. But something is still weird about it, right? So, like, I don't know if I'm convinced nothing, yeah, weird went on, but at least they put on the show.

Trisha Paytas (74:20)

For the sake of the show, for.

Moses Hackman (74:21)

The sake of the show.

Trisha Paytas (74:22)

And I think that's with them too. It's hard because I think you're kind of screwed either way, right? Like, Karama not showing up could, like, hurt his. His. If he says something, it could hurt his brand. The Queer Eye people obviously don't want to hurt their brand. All of them are trying to do solo things. So if anyone's messy, you're gonna be the messy one. And you may be, like, outcasted from, like, everybody. You might get, like. What is it called?

Moses Hackman (74:43)

Like, blacklisted or something?

Trisha Paytas (74:44)

Yeah, like blacklisted, right. Like, if you're the one that's acting crazy or whatever, sometimes you're the one that's like.

Oscar Craig (74:51)

But the other thing is that the Network allowed this whole fiasco to happen.

Trisha Paytas (74:55)

That's a good point. Where's the jar?

Oscar Craig (74:56)

Let's say if you basically, if you basically invite people to come on the show and one of the group doesn't want to attend, you're like, okay, you're not attending, but to allow him to send a video in, surprise everyone else. The network almost had a side. Like they kind of were on his side.

Trisha Paytas (75:13)

Yeah, I agree.

Oscar Craig (75:13)

Otherwise they would not even allow all of this to happen.

Trisha Paytas (75:15)

But that's why I'm kind of like on his side too. I'm like something fierce might have happened and this is like, this is the best he could do with that without looking messy, you know what I mean? And being like, here's the statement. Like you said, I'm making a statement. There's something bad here. And maybe the network does probably have hr, as we know.

Moses Hackman (75:29)

Like they probably, you know, HR applies like interview. Yeah. I mean it's for employees, but maybe.

Oscar Craig (75:34)

As a way it's more like producer of the show, the host of the talk show on his side.

Trisha Paytas (75:38)

I'm saying HR for Queer Eye.

Moses Hackman (75:39)

Oh, like Netflix.

Trisha Paytas (75:40)

Yeah, Netflix. Like, you know what I mean? Maybe he had a complaint. He like this, this bullying is happening and this is their way of like handling it as far as like not making anything too messy for everyone but like respecting like his wishes and being like, like, hey, but I want people to know and like maybe this way I'm sure someone somewhere was involved. I'm sure he didn't just like send a video to. Who was it Gayle King? Yeah, I don't think he like maybe texted her. I guess I know some people. I guess if I needed to get a video to Entertainment Tonight directly message you, I could actually put this up right now. Yeah, I think I'm kind of like, I'm like weirdly like on his side.

Moses Hackman (76:12)

I feel, I kind of think so too. I mean, I don't know enough to be like to say for sure, but I think because the what, what Bobby Burke has said, like when he left he was obviously closer to Karamo. It does kind of sound like there has to be something more there where like the two of them really felt like on the outs with like the other five amongst the five. Right. So yeah. And obviously Anthony and Tan are like really good friends. And then Tan brings in Jeremiah. So then that's a group of a threesome basically.

Trisha Paytas (76:44)

Yeah. You feel a little ganged up on me be like, I don't want any part of this.

Moses Hackman (76:48)

Uh huh. So probably like, felt isolated once Bobby was out and he was like, more. Karama was more, like, on his own in the five.

Trisha Paytas (76:55)

He's in the new season.

Moses Hackman (76:56)

Yeah, it's the last season. Yes.

Trisha Paytas (76:58)

Last season ever. Yeah. And also normalizing. Normalize. Not showing up for things you started. I love that. That's my fave. I. I don't think I've ever showed up to anything I started. Like, you know what I mean? When something's, like, ending and, like, do you want to come back? God, there's been so many things. Oh, I came back from who Wants to be a Superhero? I'm trying to think. There's so many things that I like, did not come back for Cyber Big Brother. I didn't go back for that reunion. I didn't go back for wants to be a superhero. But, like, there are so many things that you're like, I'm good. You know what I mean?

Moses Hackman (77:24)

I don't know.

Trisha Paytas (77:25)

I just don't think that you have to show up for something just because you did a project. And lot can change. And if people are bullying, then that's a whole.

Moses Hackman (77:32)

It does make a big statement. Yeah. Because. Yeah, they. The. They did the CBS Morning Morning show, whatever. Then they did Today show again without Karamo. Chromo again gave today's show, like, a little video message, too. So similar statement. And then the rest of the press day was canceled. Like, they didn't do the rest of the shows that they were.

Trisha Paytas (77:50)

I want to talk to him. I wonder if you'd come on here and we don't, like, oh, you don't tell us about Queer Eye. But I want to know. I need to know, like, backstory. I need to know current what he's doing. You know what I mean? And that's how you don't talk about the guys. I want to so bad. Should reach out first.

Moses Hackman (78:01)

I'm so curious.

Trisha Paytas (78:01)

Like, so fan of him now. I don't know him, but I like him.

Moses Hackman (78:04)

I see, like, people were really hard on him when I was, like, researching, but nothing ever was that. Like, obviously there's. He has a memoir. He talks about, like, all the dark parts of, like, his past and stuff, but he, like, fully acknowledges the stuff that he did. Like, how toxic he was, like, abusive he was. Like, he knows that obviously he put it in his memoir. Like, he knows how bad it was. He, like, had worked to apologize to the people he hurt.

Trisha Paytas (78:29)

And some of those people don't want to. I. I think this so truly. I think sometimes you were like, we want everyone to grow. We want everyone to kind of be like, but people don't want you to grow.

Moses Hackman (78:37)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (78:37)

They want you to stay stuck in that and be that. Like, no, but you were awful at one point. No matter how much you can change and grow and try to help others, they want to. And then they'll use it against you because he wrote a memoir about all that. Like, they'll use it against him for life. You know what I mean? And that kind of sucks.

Oscar Craig (78:51)

But because something really serious must have happened because he's an adult. They're all adults. He's a strong person, strong character. Something must have been so serious for him not to show up and to.

Moses Hackman (79:03)

Feel bullied and to make like a big.

Oscar Craig (79:06)

It has to be very serious.

Trisha Paytas (79:08)

Especially if it's your last season.

Oscar Craig (79:10)

Something small or not getting along. They must have done something that really hurt him.

Trisha Paytas (79:15)

Yeah. Especially because you know what? That's the other thing too is like, sometimes something could really hurt you, but you're like, well, but I. I was a part of this show. I did work really hard. I'm gonna show up too. Like, he does deserve to do the press tour, but obviously you said he's like, if he's gone through mental health stuff, he knows enough to not go, which I can. I can respect. This is sad. I hate the Queer Eyes fighting.

Moses Hackman (79:38)

I know. It's like, come on, can we get along?

Trisha Paytas (79:41)

Yeah. No, no. I'm so good. Most day was asking me more details about this, like, what is? No hate. And I was like, what do you mean you don't watch the TikTok I sent you. It's my favorite thing in the whole wide world. Maybe they shall do that campaign.

Moses Hackman (79:54)

Oh, my God. I feel like if anyone can bring them the queers together, it's you. Maybe so.

Trisha Paytas (79:59)

Yeah. I would love to host a reunion. The Queer Eye. I love. I do. Yeah. You know what? Unfortunately, yeah, it sucks. It kind of reminds me, like, not the same at all. But like when Todrick had an MTV show, remember, like, every. All the gays were like, we hate this.

Moses Hackman (80:15)

Yeah. It was like real gays of Weho or whatever.

Trisha Paytas (80:18)

Yes. And people were so pissed. And it's like, I get it. Look like Todrick, yeah, he has some, like, shady stuff, whatever. But it's also like he has a show. It was right after Drag Race too.

Moses Hackman (80:27)

Right. Well, the gag is they made Drag Race shorter at half hour shorter to give us a half hour of real gaze. A we home. We're like, wait, but we don't want this.

Trisha Paytas (80:34)

Oh, was that it?

Moses Hackman (80:35)

Yeah. So people already came in hot. And then they were like, these people aren't even friends. They don't even know each other. Like, why are you trying to bring friend group?

Trisha Paytas (80:42)

I guess when you take away something that people love and replace it with something people just don't want. But I did feel kind of bad for him. I kind of was like, damn. I get. I get like, not whatever, but at the same time, gay on gay. Hey, I just feel like we have enough. We have enough hate. It's like, women too. Women on women hate. It's like, women. We're already going through it by everybody. And like I always say, this is why the man keeps on winning, because we're just all tearing each other down. The gays, the girls. Everyone's just, like, mad at each other. I was like, why don't we be mad at the real villains of the world?

Moses Hackman (81:14)

Work. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (81:15)

You know, we can't get it together, mama.

Moses Hackman (81:17)

Kudos for spilling. Thanks.

Trisha Paytas (81:19)

Yeah, we can't attack the right people.

Moses Hackman (81:23)

Speaking of attack, I this, I do have an announcement to make. An hour and 20 minutes in, Oscar Craig put in an Instagram story that was like, oscar, Gracie allegedly went to Ted N 28th birthday party despite no photographic evidence. And I was like. I was like, when? When your fans become your ops. I was like, ariana Grande, I feel you, girl. Because look how they turn on me.

Trisha Paytas (81:43)

Oh, I've had it happen so many times.

Moses Hackman (81:46)

All the comments are like, yeah, like, there's no vlog, no photo. He didn't even pull Ted aside. Like, this is sketchy. And he went to the abbey. I don't believe it. Something. Something's fishy. And I was like, what? And I thankfully hashtag women supporting women. Christian came through in the comments and was like, I am a witness. Ben Verde also came through supporting women.

Trisha Paytas (82:03)

Oh, Ben, did I saw you at mention I'd be like, where you at?

Moses Hackman (82:05)

So I had to. I had to beg. I had to beg the girls to come forward and, you know, speak. Speak up. He did he. No, I didn't get a photo with one. A straight or a woman, I should say took the photo of the gays at one point, but I have no idea who they were or where the photo was. If you were the. The woman who took the photo of me. Darian Austin show. And Christian, please come forward. Submit this photo. Like, I need this now more than ever.

Oscar Craig (82:31)

Yeah. But first send it to Oscar so.

Moses Hackman (82:32)

You can face tune it. Thank you. Thank. Good looking out. Good looking out.

Oscar Craig (82:36)

I thought you were Mad first, because Oscar Crave posted a photo of you that were not edited.

Moses Hackman (82:40)

No, luckily, Nick would never do me unedited like that, so thankfully. But I was. I was gagged to see the girls turn on me for no photo evidence at Ted's 20th birthday party. Also was liked by Trisha Paytas, which I was like, okay, work.

Trisha Paytas (82:54)

Did I y. I see a photo of you?

Oscar Craig (82:59)

That's how much she supports you. She's anything Oscar related. She likes it.

Trisha Paytas (83:03)

I do.

Oscar Craig (83:03)

I do.

Trisha Paytas (83:03)

I'm like, oh, this is cute. Like, I didn't know. I actually thought it was a giu at the party because did he put like, a filter over, like, something weird that doesn't look like the original photo?

Moses Hackman (83:09)

It was. No, it was like my. Back in the day when Ted first came on, that was my disposable era. So I had like a disposable app.

Trisha Paytas (83:16)

To me, it looked like a new photo. And I was like, I love this work.

Moses Hackman (83:18)

Love that. Even though I was at your house. So, like, when we're. It was in your driveway, so.

Trisha Paytas (83:23)

And it was a disposable camera.

Moses Hackman (83:25)

No, just the filter. Dispo. Like a disposable filter.

Trisha Paytas (83:27)

Okay. That's what it was. Because I was like, wait, this looks like a photo I haven't seen before. Oh, no.

Moses Hackman (83:31)

Yeah. So luckily I. I had to demand a retraction once, you know, we got.

Trisha Paytas (83:35)

The statement edit the allegedly out.

Moses Hackman (83:37)

He posted the comments from Christian and Ben onto so funny and Twitter. So I'll take what I can get.

Trisha Paytas (83:45)

But damn, Oscar Crave not letting up.

Moses Hackman (83:47)

Come on.

Trisha Paytas (83:48)

He's like 2026. Oscar, we need the photographic evidence. Yeah, I was a little disappointed too, that you didn say hi to Tag because we could, like, verify with Tad. I could DM him, but he wouldn't even know.

Moses Hackman (83:55)

Okay, well, DM Austin show.

Trisha Paytas (83:59)

Well, he could just cover for you gays looking out for other gays. You know what I mean? Like, he could just be like, yeah, he was there.

Moses Hackman (84:05)

But what do you trust the word of a gay man? More than he should.

Oscar Craig (84:08)

He should come and testify. We did have a lot of comments of asking people, okay, where I'm.

Moses Hackman (84:13)

Yeah, I will have Christian and Austin. They. They don't live in LA anymore, but when they're in town, they live in Oregon, I think. But they fly every week to do.

Trisha Paytas (84:23)

I think we're gonna figure out how to do a four camera because I do want Jimmy. On one episode, we do our secret project. Yes, I want mom. So we're gonna figure out how to do four cams. That sounds complicated, though, huh?

Moses Hackman (84:33)

I mean, no, no.

Oscar Craig (84:34)

I already have the mixer for four microphones.

Moses Hackman (84:36)

There you go.

Trisha Paytas (84:38)

I don't know how I'm gonna be, you know, me, with, like, multiple overstimulated. But it might be a lot when there's just a circle to look at. You know what I mean? But. But we'll see. I love it. I love them. Let's have one work.

Moses Hackman (84:49)

Yeah. Because they will come to my defense. I love. They're the. It's the opposite of Queer Eye with them. It's like, you know, we. We look out for each other.

Trisha Paytas (84:55)

We could be the Queer Eye with four. You, Jimmy Christian, Austin. That's almost all the queer Eyes.

Oscar Craig (85:01)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (85:01)

T would be the new Queer Eye over here, Emmy.

Moses Hackman (85:04)

Yeah, yeah. The new Fab Five. Ooh, it's kind of fierce. Yeah. Fierce five.

Trisha Paytas (85:10)

Oh, my God.

Moses Hackman (85:10)

God, love this. Actually.

Trisha Paytas (85:12)

Actually, yeah. I take back my rule of not having multiple podcast people talking on a microphone at one time. We get to have six people talking at the same time. Isn't that crazy that podcasts do that? You're like, what the hell? I don't see those as much. You remember that one with, like, the black and white wall always behind them? Like, I always saw that one. I don't see that as much. Whatever that company was must have folded because I used to always see they're just not.

Oscar Craig (85:32)

Probably not as viral.

Trisha Paytas (85:34)

Yeah. There is a whole part of the Internet that I'm just like, yeah. You know when you see podcasts that get so much and you're just like, who that?

Moses Hackman (85:40)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (85:41)

Yeah. Everybody's watching it, I guess. Car Daddy got Michelle Obama. We had just talked about how we were on the same political campaign for healthy lunches. I've talked about Michelle Mama everywhere for the past few weeks. I was like, damn. I really thought. I really thought that could be. I haven't listened to it yet. I wonder if they're talking about school lunches on there.

Moses Hackman (86:00)

I. The headline I saw thus far this morning was that they, Alex Cooper, drew the line to not talk about sex with Michelle Obama.

Trisha Paytas (86:10)

Okay. That seems.

Moses Hackman (86:11)

I mean, seems fair.

Trisha Paytas (86:12)

Appropriate. Oh, I guess if there's one person we don't know about their sex life, it might be Michelle Obama.

Moses Hackman (86:16)

True. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (86:17)

I would love to know lots of things, actually. Menopause. Like, I wonder what happens then, because I think I'm. Who was it? Was it Amy Poehler?

Moses Hackman (86:26)

Yes.

Trisha Paytas (86:27)

But Jennifer Lawrence and told her she was perimenopause.

Moses Hackman (86:29)

Yes.

Trisha Paytas (86:29)

And I was like.

Moses Hackman (86:30)

Because her ear was Itchy.

Trisha Paytas (86:32)

So weird because my ears are itchy all the time. And I was like, really? I've been, like, doing my best not. But they are so itchy. They feel like they're burning. And then I was like, pre menopause. And also I'm like, maybe I'm going through menopause. And I, like, have so many questions that it's like, does it still, like, your vagina still work? Because people don't talk about online. And trust me, once I go through menopause, if I still have a microphone or a camera, I will tell you every detail because there's just no videos on it. There's no 50 something in your car.

Moses Hackman (86:58)

Eating something and talking about, I'll be hot.

Trisha Paytas (87:01)

I'll be sweaty. I hope I have an appetite. Like, it's also scary to me. People, like, lose weight on it. They don't. They're. They're no longer lubricated. Like, there's just so many things I'm so. I'm. I'm not scared. I'm. I'm ready for it, but just the unknown. Just the unknown. And I would love to know about sex lives during menopause, but I suppose it's not appropriate to ask people, but I would love if I. When I'm 50, you can ask me those questions. Anybody. I go on their podcast because for educational purposes, I would like to know for myself. But. But I suppose you can't ask someone those questions. I don't know. Maybe Amy Polar. How old is she? She's behind.

Moses Hackman (87:32)

She.

Trisha Paytas (87:32)

She must know about menopause. She's talking about.

Moses Hackman (87:34)

Yeah. How she talks. She sounded like an expert on it.

Trisha Paytas (87:36)

Yeah. So maybe. She seems like 54.

Moses Hackman (87:39)

Yeah, she does look great.

Trisha Paytas (87:41)

I really love that podcast. I really do. It did deserve the gold, the Golden Globe.

Moses Hackman (87:44)

I agree.

Trisha Paytas (87:45)

Yeah. Jennifer Lawrence. I really like Jennifer Lawrence too. I really feel like she could come on this podcast.

Moses Hackman (87:50)

It's. Jake Shane is really trying to get her, but damn. I know.

Trisha Paytas (87:55)

We talked right before we got in here. They got acquired by Netflix for his third season of Therapist is exclusively on Netflix.

Moses Hackman (88:00)

That's crazy.

Trisha Paytas (88:01)

That's crazy. I had a meeting with Netflix, like, six months ago. I'm like, could have been. Could have been us. It makes sense. It's Jake Shane, but good for him. But I'm gum for J Law, too. I'm also gonna. You know. Yes, she. She active on social media. I know. No Jeanette McCurdy's on social media either. I really want her on. I know. She's, like, literally Doing Jimmy Fallon and Claude Daddy. But I, like, really want her on. I'm like, so, like, I'm so. Anyways, Jennifer Lawrence, if you're out there, we would love you on. I just think she's, like. I feel like she'd be a great guest because I don't think I'd be nervous because, again, I'm not, like, a super fan.

Moses Hackman (88:31)

I love her.

Trisha Paytas (88:32)

Respecter, of course. I think she's. I like. I just think she's funny.

Moses Hackman (88:34)

I think so, too. I mean, I've always loved her since she was a client of mine since back in the day.

Trisha Paytas (88:39)

So would you be nervous? Oh, no. You met her, You've interviewed her.

Moses Hackman (88:42)

I've never interviewed her. I was at a per. I was at the Catching Fire premiere as an intern, but she was sick and she didn't do interviews. That's the closest I've gotten to her other than that. I've never. But she's always been a client of mine. And, you know, it's always nice to see a client from way back in the day go on and be so successful and an Oscar winner and everything in between. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (89:06)

And she talks a lot about postpartum. She's just, like, open.

Moses Hackman (89:08)

She's real.

Trisha Paytas (89:08)

Yeah, I want to talk to her. So Jennifer Lawrence, you're my number one right now. She really is my number one. I don't think there's anyone above her. I just think she's so funny and witty. Everything I see her in, I'm like. Like, yes. I love her and I want to see more of her.

Moses Hackman (89:19)

Someone else. Who. I am excited that you know about Club Chalamet.

Trisha Paytas (89:23)

Yes.

Moses Hackman (89:24)

Okay. Well, Club Chalamet now has her eye on Connor's story.

Trisha Paytas (89:28)

Oh, no. And the fandoms are erupting right now.

Moses Hackman (89:32)

Right now. It's. It's wild. Okay, so Club Charlie. I'm not gonna do the TLDR because there's just so much lore there. Too long. Didn't read, like, basically the top line, like Key Point tldr, basically. She's an older woman. She runs a Santa Calva, Timothy Chalamet people. Some. She's very divisive. Some people love her. Some people think she's creepy, does too much. Nonetheless, she goes really hard for Timmy C. And she is serious about her clients as well. She. Previously, before she was Club Chalamet, she was a stand account for Michael Fassbender. But then my people say that once Michael Fassbender got married, she didn't care about him anymore, moved on to Timmy C. Now that Timmy and Kylie are super serious, she never really acknowledges Kylie. Like, she does not like Kylie. So now people speculate because he's so serious with Kylie, maybe they'll get married or something, that now she's kind of in the weeds of moving on. That's the speculation. Although I'm sure Simone Cromer Club Chalamet will probably testify that she is still riding hard for Timmy getting him that Oscar. But she commented, what if he wins.

Trisha Paytas (90:37)

The Oscar, doesn't thank her? You think she'll be mad?

Oscar Craig (90:40)

I don't think this. Anyway, she's.

Trisha Paytas (90:42)

What do you mean?

Moses Hackman (90:45)

No one is working harder than Club Chalamet. Like, Timmy's publicist is not working harder than club manager family. No one is working harder to make Timmy see an Oscar winner than Club Chalamet and has been doing it. Like, yeah, she's boots on the ground, like, in the weeds. Anytime there's negative press, like, she is outshining it with. She's finding the positive. Like, when he was. When everyone was annoyed with him for, like, the Marty supreme, like, he was being too egotistical. She was spinning it. She was like, this is obviously him being method for Marty Supreme. Like, this is him in character. Like, she was, like, controlling the narrative. It was almost giving. Like, Kerry Washington in the show where she's the publicist. Like, public. She's the president's publicist.

Trisha Paytas (91:27)

Yes. What was that one?

Moses Hackman (91:28)

I know Jake Shane loves that show. What's her name was that show. I know her character was Olivia Pope.

Trisha Paytas (91:35)

Pope.

Moses Hackman (91:35)

What was the show? Scandal.

Trisha Paytas (91:36)

Scandal.

Moses Hackman (91:36)

She is like, the Olivia Pope for Timothee Chalamet. Okay.

Trisha Paytas (91:40)

But he knows her, so he knows what she's doing.

Moses Hackman (91:42)

Okay. Knows her is a little. Because she does. When she talks about meeting him and stuff and her encounters with him. She does. She definitely takes some creative liberties. Like, she'd be like, he came straight to me in the crowd, and there's, like, her in, like, a crowd of, like, 500 people, like, with. In the autograph sign at the premiere, and he'll come and, like, you know, sign, take a photo.

Trisha Paytas (92:00)

But how do we know that he wasn't like, oh, my God, club, Shall I do that to people? I know. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I know. Yeah.

Moses Hackman (92:04)

Okay. But I believed it, too, because then she was. Was at the Palm Springs Film Festival Awards a couple a month ago, and her account was. I went up to Timothy. Kylie was there. She was so gracious, like, this is your year, Timmy. And he was like. He gave me A hug. He was excited to see me. And then the video came out where she was kind of, like, lingering in the back. Kylie was getting up to go to the bathroom, so she had an in. So then she went up, like, gave him a hug, like, put her hand on his back, and he was like, hey, yeah. And then, like, just kind of kept it moving. And then she talked to his, like, security guard or something. Something. When Kylie wasn't there, Kylie was on the way. Kylie was, like, getting up, trying to go to the bathroom or something, but. Oh, you mean. What if she was. Oh, you think Kylie is, like.

Trisha Paytas (92:46)

Kylie was not there when she came up.

Moses Hackman (92:48)

Kylie was there, but her back was turned because she was, like, getting up from the table.

Trisha Paytas (92:52)

Yeah, okay. Yeah.

Moses Hackman (92:53)

So it was, like. It was the opportunity to strike, for sure. But her account is very different from, like, the video.

Trisha Paytas (93:00)

That's also valid. I'm not trying to be this defender of this person in case this person is unhinged. I don't know. Maybe not.

Oscar Craig (93:04)

Not.

Trisha Paytas (93:05)

But, like, when I have sympathy for her. But I also feel like when Moses. Every time. When Moses leaves, 10 out of 10 times, someone comes up. Like, no matter what, if we're at a movie, if we're at a theater, if we're at the grocery store, if you're going to the bathroom, a thousand percent, someone's gonna come up once Moses leaves. So I do think it's a. It's like, an opportunity and not, like, a creepy. In our situation. Not a creepy way. I think people feel, like, less intimidated, maybe. Less intimidated.

Moses Hackman (93:29)

Less interrupting.

Trisha Paytas (93:29)

Less interrupting. You know, my favorite is when, like, Trish, you look so lonely over here. I'm like, well, he literally just left to go to the bathroom, you know, but understandable. And, like, I feel same. I feel like I would probably go up to someone, but if they're, like, with their, like, wife or something, maybe it feels, a little, like, intrusive. Intrusive? I guess it's kind of. Yeah. I don't know, actually. I'm trying to think. But some people are really nice. Like, Donny Osmond is just like. Like, super sweet. Like, every time he sees me, he's, like, excited. I'm excited when I see certain people that I see over and over. So. So he. Maybe he was. Maybe he does like her like that. You know, not like that, but, like, excited to see her.

Moses Hackman (94:05)

I would. Yeah. I mean, the. I would think that because he is such. I mean, she is such a Stan of him. But, yeah, the video just didn't give, like, I can't believe you're here. It's so good to see you. You know what I mean? Versus like I think again, I. I always hold it. Taylor's like my example because anytime I see it, like whenever I would see her pre folklore or whatever, like she would be like, hey, it's so good to see. Like, like even if she wouldn't know my name, she would like kind of remembers faces of like the big stands. So there's kind of that like excitement. Even if it's fake. It could very well be fake. But like she makes it seem. But like Timmy was just like, hey, like as if it's just any old girl.

Trisha Paytas (94:40)

But I do feel like guys are like that. I think Moses can be excited to see. Even if he's excited to see me. It would look like. Yeah, he's very much just like you would never see Moses. Like, because there's a tick tock trend where it's like my husband finding me in the crowd.

Moses Hackman (94:51)

Like, you know, when you're looking and.

Trisha Paytas (94:52)

Then like, you know, and I. I try to do that with it so many times. Like Barnes and Noble, where else? And it's. He's never surprised to see me. He's always like, hey, literally just like there's mommy. Like just. You know what I mean? So I think some people just don't have.

Moses Hackman (95:05)

Okay, so maybe. Yeah, maybe.

Trisha Paytas (95:06)

Unless we've seen Timmy excited. Has he ever been excited for anyone?

Moses Hackman (95:08)

I mean, I. Maybe just with like Kylie or whatever. He like, he definitely looks like baby puppy dog. But that's. That'll be very different. You're right. So. Yeah, so t. Okay, yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe you're right.

Trisha Paytas (95:18)

I'm just trying.

Oscar Craig (95:18)

I don't think so.

Moses Hackman (95:19)

Go.

Oscar Craig (95:20)

Okay.

Trisha Paytas (95:22)

You don't think so what, you don't think he's the same to see her?

Oscar Craig (95:24)

I've seen. I've seen like. Cuz her only thing that she can negotiate like her currency is how close she is to him. And I think she makes up how close she is to him in that sense.

Moses Hackman (95:36)

In his opinion. Allegedly.

Oscar Craig (95:37)

Yeah, I think that's cuz like you said she. He'll come across as like, oh, we were hanging out backstage and Timmy told me this when he was talking maybe to a person next to her in line and said something thing.

Trisha Paytas (95:47)

Maybe he did tell her something. I crave some things. No, I love just great. But you know, you just. I don't know. I don't know the situation. I don't know how he feels about it. She Seems pretty harmless.

Moses Hackman (95:59)

You would think that because I think.

Oscar Craig (96:01)

He'S been cautious, that's all.

Moses Hackman (96:03)

Yeah, but he's so, like, Club Chalamet is so viral. Like, there's been, like, articles in, like, different, like, magazine stuff about her that you would think he would be asked about Club Chalamet at some point. Because, you know, anytime something's viral, to get asked about it. So I'm like, is there, like a stipulation? Yeah, it's just like, don't ask about Club Chalamet. I don't know.

Trisha Paytas (96:21)

It's the asterisk on the corner. It's like, we're not allowed to ask about clubs.

Moses Hackman (96:24)

Again, just speculation. So. Yeah. So Club Chalamet commented on a photo of Connor's story and just commented, oh, Lord. Like, it was Connor story. Like, mogging, like, looks so good. And people were like, oh, she has her side set on a new white boy.

Trisha Paytas (96:42)

Oh, God.

Moses Hackman (96:42)

And then she made an official statement about her new stand account.

Trisha Paytas (96:49)

Who was asking for the statement?

Oscar Craig (96:51)

Who cares?

Moses Hackman (96:52)

That's a great question. I'm seated for the state. I was like, damn, that's big news.

Trisha Paytas (96:57)

Yeah. Also normalize. Just putting on a statement. I'm gonna start doing that.

Moses Hackman (97:01)

Yes.

Trisha Paytas (97:03)

Nobody asked.

Moses Hackman (97:04)

She said. I have become repulsed from the immature discourse surrounding heated rivalry. And the lead actors and supporting actors haters invited me to. To create story times, which will focus on Connor's story, but will also include include cool Hudson info. And now the new account is story times, which is a good name. One thing about this woman, she'll come up with a good name. Story times, like, it's fierce. As fierce.

Trisha Paytas (97:28)

Yes.

Moses Hackman (97:29)

So Connor story. I think future future Oscar winner Connor. I mean, with Club Charlamagne running your, like, campaigns of her own volition. Like free will connoisseur. You have a bright and long career ahead of you. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (97:43)

She is. Seems to only be going after young, hot male actors. She doesn't campaign for me.

Moses Hackman (97:48)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (97:49)

She's not campaigning for saying.

Oscar Craig (97:51)

Seems too personal.

Trisha Paytas (97:53)

She's a thing for hot guys.

Moses Hackman (97:54)

Yeah. And I mean, but when she. I feel like when she picks someone, like, clearly, Michael Fassbender ended up being, like, in a lot of critically acclaimed performances. Timmy too. So I'm like, damn, she has to touch. She is the equivalent me and pop girls is Club Chalamet with, like, a white actor. That's kind of how I see it. Oh, wow.

Trisha Paytas (98:09)

You put yourself in the same category.

Moses Hackman (98:10)

As I think with our clients. We just have that kind of sense.

Trisha Paytas (98:13)

Okay.

Moses Hackman (98:14)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (98:14)

Okay.

Moses Hackman (98:15)

We have an eye for an eye for illustrious careers.

Trisha Paytas (98:18)

It is interesting, I know what you're saying, because it's, like, interesting how people. How old is she?

Moses Hackman (98:26)

She's like in her 40s, I guess.

Trisha Paytas (98:29)

It's like.

Moses Hackman (98:32)

Oh, 59.

Oscar Craig (98:37)

She's rethinking everything she said so far.

Trisha Paytas (98:41)

You know, Like, I. I do like that she has, like, a passion, you know, I don't know. Like, it's. It's hard, I guess. I'm such a fan. So, like, I, like, kind of see where she is, and I definitely been like, probably, oh, Lord. On like a Walton Goggins post or something, you know, Like, I get it. I guess as long as they don't have a problem with it. I guess if they had a problem with it, then, like, she wouldn't be around them. Like, she wouldn't be able to go up to him and stuff.

Moses Hackman (99:06)

Like, banned.

Trisha Paytas (99:07)

Yeah, I'm sure he's. Yeah, I'm sure. Especially because she is so popular. Like, they would tell. Tell them, like.

Moses Hackman (99:12)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (99:13)

So, I mean, I think it's okay, but kind of, she's. If he wins Oscar, he better think.

Moses Hackman (99:20)

At least in the press room, even if it's not on the stage. Go, Go in the press room. Give Club Shallow.

Trisha Paytas (99:25)

She would die. That'd be so great.

Moses Hackman (99:27)

It would be great.

Trisha Paytas (99:28)

I'm going to. If I win the iHeartRadio award, I'll make sure to shout out Moses for campaigning every day for me. I really do think I'll forget. Like, I just know myself. Like, I'll probably forget to thank him. My number one campaign manager.

Oscar Craig (99:39)

I'll bring a little sign. I'll bring you.

Trisha Paytas (99:41)

Yeah, yeah, that'd be everything.

Moses Hackman (99:43)

You have to pull out your little. I love when people pull out the little written speech and it's all crumpled up and stuff.

Trisha Paytas (99:47)

I'm gonna do it for you. I'm gonna pull out a long one. I have, like, a paper, the parts. A little gestures card. Thank you, guys. Okay, well, what. She's in the. What was she in the news for?

Moses Hackman (99:55)

Just for launching Story Times. Her new. Yeah, her new client.

Trisha Paytas (99:58)

And also that's like Club Shallow. But now it's called Story Times.

Moses Hackman (100:01)

Yeah. So she's moving on.

Trisha Paytas (100:03)

Like a Twitter.

Moses Hackman (100:03)

It'll be right now it's on Instagram. That's where she.

Trisha Paytas (100:06)

Did you follow?

Moses Hackman (100:07)

No, I'm a little skeptical of it, but we'll see. It's also, like, I'm almost too inundated with Hudson and Connor, so I'm trying to, like, see last. Because I feel like I'M also in the bat. Like anytime something negative, people like, I'm in that. Like whenever the fans are like mad at Connor and Hudson for something like, that's what I'm seeing. So I'm trying to take a back seat to heated rivalry right now.

Trisha Paytas (100:28)

I'm trying to get in the front seat.

Moses Hackman (100:29)

I feel like I'm over consumed.

Trisha Paytas (100:30)

I feel like I'm under consumed because I weirdly, I'm like out of the discourse and I feel like everyone's a heater rivalry so big. But I'm like, I really see nothing about it. I feel like I need to be more in it.

Moses Hackman (100:40)

Go for it. Yeah. Damn.

Trisha Paytas (100:42)

He was a YouTuber at one point.

Moses Hackman (100:43)

Yes.

Trisha Paytas (100:45)

He's not. He's active on social media.

Moses Hackman (100:46)

Yeah. And honestly, gag this. I think this, if anything, will sell you on it. It's. He's in Joker too. Connor's story.

Trisha Paytas (100:55)

My favorite movie. My number one on letterbox. I love this movie. We need to watch it so we can discuss. Who was he?

Moses Hackman (101:01)

I guess I had no idea. Obviously I've never seen it. I guess he was at the end. He was like a character at the end. He was supposed to be like. He was hinted, I guess, to become like a new joker or something. Like if the story were to continue.

Trisha Paytas (101:12)

Oh, I love.

Moses Hackman (101:14)

Yeah, so I guess DM him. Don't even mention heat arrival.

Trisha Paytas (101:16)

Just be like, hey, I love you, Joker too.

Moses Hackman (101:18)

Joker too. Your my favorite movie on letterbox.

Trisha Paytas (101:21)

Someone told us to get him on the podcast. I was like, yeah, I've been making notes. It's like, Connor, Jennifer Lawrence. Who's my third one?

Moses Hackman (101:26)

Jeanette McCurdy.

Trisha Paytas (101:27)

Jeanette McCurdy and Chroma go. I think it'd be great. Did you make a note of that? Someone make a note so I can remind myself of this.

Oscar Craig (101:34)

Jimmy.

Trisha Paytas (101:38)

Jimmy. Poor Jimmy has 5,000 things on his. I sent him like 5,000 texts last night because yesterday I had to get up at 4am So I test him. Like 4am all these like things. And then look at 7pm he's like, sorry, I just got to this. I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry for the bombardment of text. I think he stays up late editing and I think I'm up super early. So that is course of it. I wish people could see your full outfit. I really love these sneakers with the gray. Aviator Nation.

Moses Hackman (102:02)

Yeah, it is a wild look today. I'm like, let me keep it just serious up top and then casual.

Trisha Paytas (102:06)

I like this.

Moses Hackman (102:07)

It was.

Trisha Paytas (102:07)

Yeah, I really like this look today. The purple reminds me of Rogelio and Jane, the virgin at work.

Moses Hackman (102:14)

I mean, I think I've said this before. I've worn it before, but there was a Tumblr photo of Harry Styles wearing this. This American Apparel sweater. And then I went, literally immediately on my lunch break, because I think I was in. I'm interning at Studio City, and there was an American Apparel in Studio City. So I went, like, on my lunch break and instantly was like, do you have this lavender sweater that Harry Styles is wearing? Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (102:36)

How much was it? Probably was, like, 80 bucks, probably.

Moses Hackman (102:40)

But, I mean, this was, like, 2014. So, you know, it's been over 10 years, and it's. It's. It's held up.

Trisha Paytas (102:46)

It looks great. Are you ready for the album tomorrow?

Moses Hackman (102:49)

The single aperture? Yeah, of course I'm ready. Album is in March, Mama.

Trisha Paytas (102:53)

But okay, the single. Are you ready for it?

Moses Hackman (102:55)

I'm so ready. People have been like, because he posted this album, the single cover, and it's like, it looks like kind of like a candid photo of him looking happy. And people are like, oh, this is why no one uses his recent Harry Styles photo as, like, their Stan account icon, because he is looking chopped. And I was like, he is not chopped.

Trisha Paytas (103:13)

Why? Why?

Moses Hackman (103:14)

People just think he looks older. And yes, he's older. And, like, his hair is shorter now. He's my age. So, like. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (103:23)

At 33?

Moses Hackman (103:24)

No, I don't think so. People are saying that.

Trisha Paytas (103:26)

How old are you?

Moses Hackman (103:28)

33. Yeah. So I know it's rough.

Trisha Paytas (103:32)

How's your 33 or your.

Moses Hackman (103:34)

What?

Trisha Paytas (103:34)

How was your 33 year last year?

Moses Hackman (103:36)

Yeah, well, I was depressed most of last year, but so far, this half of 33 is looking pretty good, I guess. So.

Trisha Paytas (103:42)

They say 33 is the magic number. My sister will be 33 tomorrow. Today, I guess, is her birthday, and she'll be 33. And most of that was his best year. And, you know, that's the year Jesus went on the cross for us, so.

Moses Hackman (103:54)

That was a good year. Was it for him? Because I love this.

Oscar Craig (104:00)

29 to 33 is very transformational. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (104:04)

He resurrected. I mean, that's pretty.

Moses Hackman (104:05)

Pretty impressive.

Trisha Paytas (104:06)

That is impressive. You know, if the story of Jesus is true, which I'm inclined to believe it, that is crazy. How do you rise from the dead? Question. Was he off the cross or was he in the tomb? Because they say he rose from the tomb. I thought he died because he.

Moses Hackman (104:20)

That stone was moved, but I think.

Trisha Paytas (104:22)

He died on the cross. They took him down.

Moses Hackman (104:24)

Yeah. Threw him in the tomb.

Trisha Paytas (104:25)

Tomb. Okay, that seems less.

Moses Hackman (104:28)

You never see tombs these days, right? Like who? No one gets put in the tomb.

Trisha Paytas (104:33)

I think I'd rather have that like the family tombs, like Romeo and Juliet where there's just like a giant, like they're giant rooms, I guess.

Moses Hackman (104:39)

Is it the. Is a present day version of a tomb, like a mausoleum? Is that when you build the little like structure on the cemetery?

Trisha Paytas (104:46)

Well, that's above.

Moses Hackman (104:48)

It's expensive, you see. Yeah, but a tomb was above ground, wasn't it?

Trisha Paytas (104:52)

Oh, I thought it was below.

Moses Hackman (104:53)

I think it was because they.

Oscar Craig (104:54)

They moved the pants. Because that was like. Because they didn't build it. It was kind of a cave. Oh, they sealed the cave with a big rock.

Trisha Paytas (105:01)

How do they get in there then?

Moses Hackman (105:03)

I guess it was just like a kind of like Hunger Games cave, I'm assuming.

Trisha Paytas (105:06)

And you just keep going in when someone dies because don't you get a family too?

Oscar Craig (105:09)

No, in this case they just sealed it. They didn't want anyone to go in or out.

Trisha Paytas (105:12)

Okay, but when like their kids died, where did the kids go?

Oscar Craig (105:17)

I'm talking about this specific case. They just want to seal it. Right.

Trisha Paytas (105:22)

He had no children.

Moses Hackman (105:24)

Except for all the.

Trisha Paytas (105:25)

Oh, I think we're the children of God.

Moses Hackman (105:29)

I don't know.

Trisha Paytas (105:30)

Jesus is all our daddies.

Moses Hackman (105:31)

Well, the Trinity Father's on. Yeah. So were you praised?

Trisha Paytas (105:36)

Catholic?

Moses Hackman (105:37)

Yeah, I was raised Catholic. I went to Catholic school.

Trisha Paytas (105:39)

Oh, so you just did the sign of cross.

Moses Hackman (105:43)

Yeah, yeah.

Trisha Paytas (105:46)

Why do they do that?

Moses Hackman (105:48)

I couldn't tell you.

Trisha Paytas (105:49)

You take the wafer? Who had a wafer? They have hidden Valley rancher wafers. Do you see that? Did you see it? Like, what do you mean? Like, I guess for convenient. They were wafers. Where did I see that? That was crazy. It was like virals. Like on Twitter.

Moses Hackman (106:01)

Yeah, like a church was using those. Yeah, I'm fierce. Fierce. It's fierce.

Trisha Paytas (106:05)

It might be better, I suppose.

Moses Hackman (106:06)

Yeah, a little flavor in there.

Trisha Paytas (106:07)

You like ranch?

Moses Hackman (106:07)

I do like ranch. Do you like ranch?

Trisha Paytas (106:10)

No.

Moses Hackman (106:11)

I was gonna say you're not like a creamy white. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (106:14)

Substance person.

Moses Hackman (106:15)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (106:15)

No you don't.

Moses Hackman (106:16)

You don't like mayonnaise? You don't like a pesto?

Trisha Paytas (106:21)

No. Like green pesto. Nothing you buy in a matcha, girly, these days. I love matcha. Oh, you like matcha? We are. Gotta go on our matcha kick around here. We'll get the giant strawberry. We'll try some matcha the LA day. That could be a party. They're fun. You know Tariyami is a Harry Styles. Stan. Like Stan. She has, like, two tattoos for him.

Moses Hackman (106:41)

Oh. I didn't know she was that much.

Trisha Paytas (106:42)

Of a stand, but I knew she looked Harry Styles.

Moses Hackman (106:44)

I love that.

Trisha Paytas (106:45)

I have to get into it. I'm not quite there yet, but maybe.

Moses Hackman (106:48)

This era will kind of win you back over. Have you ever seen. Don't worry Darling.

Trisha Paytas (106:52)

That I love.

Moses Hackman (106:53)

Okay, work. It seems like a you movie.

Trisha Paytas (106:55)

I loved that movie. Yes. I actually was like, I wanted to move to Palm Springs. That movie. I like. Love it so much. He's a good actor.

Moses Hackman (107:02)

I think so too. Some people thought he was not a good actor, but I thought he was giving.

Trisha Paytas (107:05)

I thought he was very handsome in that. That would be what I would consider a horny movie somewhat.

Moses Hackman (107:10)

Yeah. Besides, I guess, the ending.

Trisha Paytas (107:12)

But what happened at the end?

Moses Hackman (107:13)

He was an incel. At the end.

Trisha Paytas (107:14)

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Moses Hackman (107:34)

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Moses Hackman (108:00)

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Moses Hackman (108:17)

Remember, like, he was like.

Trisha Paytas (108:19)

I know this term.

Moses Hackman (108:20)

He was like a. He was like ugly loser. Like, hated women. He, like, was locking her in this. In the virtual world. You don't remember the ending?

Oscar Craig (108:26)

I think she might have fell asleep.

Moses Hackman (108:28)

Oh, my God. The ending was a big deal. Like, they made him look like all. Like they.

Oscar Craig (108:35)

Because they were basically drugging. Like, basically. It's a story. Like, it's about drug addicts. But the whole story we see is when they're in their high. Like in that world, it's perfect.

Trisha Paytas (108:44)

But I don't understand. They were all drug addict.

Oscar Craig (108:47)

Like, they weren't really there. Their bodies were actually in the men or the women, but both of them were actually in a different world. Like, poor. And he kept her.

Moses Hackman (108:56)

Yes. Like, in a coma, basically.

Oscar Craig (109:00)

How did you get in that world?

Trisha Paytas (109:02)

How did they get there?

Moses Hackman (109:03)

It was. He, like, went and did it, like, against her will. And then that's why, like, yeah, he was like, A loser. I mean, his character like was broke, didn't have a job. Not very attractive of.

Trisha Paytas (109:15)

They're all just like roofing, these women.

Moses Hackman (109:16)

Well, they were like. They went to some company. Like there's some technology company or whatever. And then like. Yeah, locked like their brain was like in this perf like world where she was like the step. It was like assimilation.

Trisha Paytas (109:27)

Yeah, but that's not real.

Moses Hackman (109:29)

No.

Trisha Paytas (109:30)

Like it can't happen today. Yeah, but you. But you have to have a bot anyway. Is that okay?

Moses Hackman (109:38)

Okay.

Trisha Paytas (109:38)

So loved the idea of the first half of the movie. Love the first half. A lot of movies. And the second half always gets weird. You're always like, what the. Okay, well, he was a good actor. I guess he probably was even better actor than if he had to like turn ugly and weird. You didn't get nominated for anything.

Moses Hackman (109:53)

No, no. That movie really went through it. I wish we were around when that movie press tour was happening because that would have been fierce. Like we would had a topic every. We would have done like a third and fourth episode a week just to keep up with really. The press tour drawn. Remember how crazy it was like Olivia Wilde Styles.

Trisha Paytas (110:10)

They were dating.

Moses Hackman (110:10)

Yes. And I remember there was a date Chris Pine. And someone thought Harry Styles spat on Chris Pine because of how it was filmed at some. At Venice Film Festival. And then they had a release statement saying like, no, Harry Styles did not spit on Chris Pine. It was a whole debacle. It was a whole thing. And I.

Trisha Paytas (110:26)

You were seated. What were you doing? You were working.

Moses Hackman (110:28)

I was working, yeah. So I was still covering.

Trisha Paytas (110:31)

What did you do like before this podcast when you had stuff to say?

Moses Hackman (110:34)

That is honestly an amazing question. And I do not know like where. I guess I would just talk to Darian about it. I really, really don't know. Where would I do with these opinions? I actually know.

Trisha Paytas (110:45)

I see that you never did like vlogs and stuff like that.

Moses Hackman (110:47)

No, and I wasn't really tweeting either, so I don't know.

Trisha Paytas (110:50)

That sounds crazy. It's like when you want to say something. Like when I want to say something, I'm going to tick tock. I need to talk about this. Like, it's so funny that you never.

Moses Hackman (110:55)

Did that before that because I kind of retired From Twitter like 20 by the time, like 2020 came around. But it wasn't tweeting that much anymore. So yeah, I just had thoughts and didn't say them. That is actually crazy.

Trisha Paytas (111:08)

Yeah, like that's what that. You know, that was always trips me out when people just don't share their thoughts in the world, I'm like, well.

Moses Hackman (111:13)

I never thought about it until you asked that question. Wow, that really threw me for a loop.

Trisha Paytas (111:16)

Well, we can always maybe regress and go back to 2022 or something.

Moses Hackman (111:20)

And just very chronically online girl explains. Like, we'll just pick a topic and just talk about it. Like a talk.

Trisha Paytas (111:27)

Well, we need. Yes, we need, like, an evergreen episode. We'll be like, hey, guys, today, April 2022, what are the hot topics of the month?

Moses Hackman (111:33)

You know, live for that.

Oscar Craig (111:36)

You did that for a Dramageddon. Like, that was fun when you have the right capsule, too.

Trisha Paytas (111:41)

That was such. That was so crazy. That was so crazy because it's like, I was obviously there, but I just don't remember any of that. Like, none of it. And it just, like, shocks you so much. You're just like, yeah.

Oscar Craig (111:51)

And if you're not on our Patreon, just join. Go watch all of that and go back to, like, Jamageddon. Just to go back to.

Moses Hackman (111:58)

We should make the Dramageddon playlist so.

Trisha Paytas (112:00)

They can just easily. Yeah, go to it.

Oscar Craig (112:03)

Yeah. Because now the. They change the app so you can have playlists, all that stuff.

Moses Hackman (112:08)

Okay.

Trisha Paytas (112:08)

Ank.

Moses Hackman (112:11)

What? I couldn't tell what reference that was.

Trisha Paytas (112:18)

You know what the word was I was looking for last time when I was trying to think of, like, a Gen Z word is cook. Am I cooking?

Moses Hackman (112:25)

Oh, have you heard it? Of course.

Trisha Paytas (112:27)

I never. Like, that's a new one for me. What did I cook? Or let me cook.

Moses Hackman (112:31)

Yeah. I mean, it could go two ways. You can be like, I'm cooked, meaning like, I'm fried, or like, I'm cooking, meaning like, I'm cooking up. I'm, like, really making some points right now. I'm doing something good.

Trisha Paytas (112:39)

I love that one. Yeah, I'm cooking right now. I liked it. I didn't. I didn't. I never heard that one before. I like the new slang. I like Gen Z slang.

Moses Hackman (112:47)

I have an update on the glam bot debacle.

Trisha Paytas (112:50)

I know I'm sat for this. I was. I was liking all these posts this morning.

Moses Hackman (112:54)

I feel like I was. I was really on the beat because I was already. I. I brought up. I brought up the emails getting resurfaced, and I feel like people have really taken to that and, like, have really gone against cool and they're really holding on to, like, oh, I haven't seen this.

Trisha Paytas (113:11)

I had other glam bot news, but.

Moses Hackman (113:12)

What was your glam bot news that.

Trisha Paytas (113:14)

Joseph Khan Was the inventor of the glam bot.

Moses Hackman (113:17)

Yes.

Trisha Paytas (113:17)

Which is so insane.

Moses Hackman (113:19)

And it's like, how did Cole become the grandfather of the glambox?

Trisha Paytas (113:22)

And that's what everyone was saying. They're like, how is he? Like, the end all be like, the glambo Khan invented it.

Moses Hackman (113:27)

Yes.

Trisha Paytas (113:27)

And then what happened with Joseph Khan? Why was he just like. Well, I guess he got too busy. But then it's like, he just. Cole just got to inherit this or how did he get it?

Moses Hackman (113:34)

I have so many questions too. And then everyone has really been bringing up These emails from 2019 of the woman who tried to book the glam bot for her wedding. And I get later, so the day we filmed Hot Topics on Monday, she did an interview with People magazine about the glambot debacle. And then now People are. People's on the beach.

Trisha Paytas (113:59)

They're like, we're gonna find everybody's email.

Moses Hackman (114:01)

They got an exclusive interview with. Her name is Inca Animashan, and she did an exclusive interview with People magazine about the booking of the glambot. She. And the gag is she is very, very, very wealthy because she had a. Her wedding was in 2019 and she lives in Dallas, Texas, but it was a multicultural three ceremony wedding. So she literally had like three extravagant ceremonies in one day. All different, in all lavish. So she could have afforded the glam.

Trisha Paytas (114:33)

Giving back a bloom with the fire in Italy. Yeah, yeah.

Moses Hackman (114:36)

Like, the gag is she could have afforded it. But, like, Cole kind of just went into it, obviously through the email exchange, kind of assuming that she was too broke. And also she's like a woman of color, her icon, like, show her face. So people or her influence interpretation is like, also, like, as a woman of color, that's like, extra offensive because people are going to assume, like, I can't afford things. So that was like another element to it too. And I was like, damn.

Trisha Paytas (115:00)

What did she say in the interview? Was there anything?

Moses Hackman (115:03)

There's no, like, extra details to the exchange. Like, pretty much email exchange is like, what happened? But she did give, like, a statement about how the whole thing, like, hurt her. And that's why, like, she's been posting about this since 2019. But just now it's kind of blew up and it got, like, missing millions of views on Twitter. But she said, as a black woman, I am no stranger to people making assumptions about who I am or what I am capable of. But I think his response to me. His responses to me were exceptionally unprofessional and unkind. I was preparing for one of the Best days of my life. And to this day, his response shocks me. That isn't how you speak to a potential client or people in general. Hopefully my sharing this can be a learning experience for him and enable him to be better or at least a bit more kind, which is tea. Like, especially 2019. Like I said before, like, the glam bot really, I feel like got. Got even bigger with like, Tick Tock. I feel like it just kind of really made it even more mainstream because it kind of gave a place for it to live, you know? And I feel like Cole also started becoming more front facing.

Trisha Paytas (115:59)

Yeah.

Moses Hackman (115:59)

With like his POV of the glam bot, like kind of recently. Within the past few years. Right?

Trisha Paytas (116:04)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's like his own Tick Tock personality.

Moses Hackman (116:06)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (116:07)

We didn't even know he was like, in control of the glam, but I thought he was just like the face of. Like, he's just there. Like, you would be like, ushering people on a red carpet for et. Like, like you. You're just there. I think he was like, the owner of it.

Moses Hackman (116:15)

Yeah. The logistics of Glamo are interesting because also, like, it's commissioned by E. Because, like, E owns it, but, like, it's also like Cole posts it on his own social platforms too. So I don't know, like, the logistics of, like, what that contract is because, yeah, like, E is the one who technically owns the. The actual Glambot footage. Cole will end up giving, like, his POV of setting it up and then end with the shot at the end. So he like, kind of adds to it.

Trisha Paytas (116:45)

The better part is the setup, the context.

Moses Hackman (116:47)

Yeah, yeah. So it is very interesting. I don't know how the logistics of that works, but yeah, everyone is on Cole and everyone's saying that JLO karma, that JLO karma is fierce.

Trisha Paytas (116:59)

Wait, why? Because, because everyone's like, she was the ham. Why is he getting the karma?

Moses Hackman (117:04)

And also she, like, he was nicer.

Trisha Paytas (117:07)

Yeah.

Moses Hackman (117:07)

But it was like, see. See what happens when you mess with Jayla, which is kind of funny. Funny to me, I think.

Trisha Paytas (117:14)

And then I, you know, like, this. The. That woman rightfully could be upset. But I also think, like, I don't know, that's karma for qua. He was being nice to the whole thing. Like, he's the one that got bad treatment from JLo. He's the one that tried to defend her. Like, you know, also that was. I'm not trying to defend him. I, like, I. I definitely see her part. No, like, it's like me going to Louis Vuitton back in the day. Like, people do not want to help you, you know, Cassie, that bag, like, you know, like, they can be that way. It's annoying. But like, you were kind of saying too. It's like sometimes, I guess if they were talking social media, it's different. You can see the person. But yeah, when sometimes someone inquires, even for me, I don't even respond, obviously, like myself, if I do an event, it's like, through someone else. But, you know, someone's like, how much for you to sing Happy Birthday to me at my birthday? You know, it's like you just don't respond. It's not because, like anything. It just feels. It feels weird anyways to have such a close, like, interaction because it's like, how do you tell somebody? Because the other thing is you could tell someone a rate and then they'll be like, that's too high. Who do you think you are? Like, so I just. I don't do it anymore. But maybe back then, because it was just him, he didn't know how to. Like, his responses were bad. If those were true, they are bad. There's no excuse there. But people also just dogpiling on him and be like, that's what you get for messing with J. Lo is also kind of crazy. Just be like, well.

Moses Hackman (118:26)

And the J lovers working overtime because TMZ did capture Jennifer Lopez giving cash to a homeless man on Tuesday. And it's all on video. I love the article because the article is like three sentences. So I'm like, this is fierce. Literally. The Jenny from the Block singer was dressed to the nines and in full glam coming out of a business meeting in Los Angeles this afternoon when a homeless man approached her on the way. On her way to her waiting Cadillac Escalade asking for help. JLo seemed to ignore the man at first, walking right by him. But he was thrilled to see her and was overheard saying he was going to tell everyone he saw a celeb. The guy stuck around and waited outside Jennifer's suv and his patience paid off. She rolled down the window and handed him a bill before driving off with a smile. Period. That's the whole article. Okay, work.

Trisha Paytas (119:12)

She look happy.

Oscar Craig (119:14)

He looks happy too.

Trisha Paytas (119:18)

Excited about it.

Moses Hackman (119:20)

It is changed. It is so fun. I mean, again, this is just me speculating. I love just like in the Middle of the sky scandal. Because also, TMZ is everywhere. And of course, it could very well just be a coincidence that they capture this because literally they have people with iPhones and every Corner of Los Angeles ready to, like, record someone.

Trisha Paytas (119:34)

Yes.

Moses Hackman (119:35)

It is just so funny that in the middle of this scandal, her everyone calling her rude. Here's a five sentence article on TMZ about a good deed that she did.

Trisha Paytas (119:43)

I love it.

Moses Hackman (119:44)

I live me as a public. Like, me doing damage control is just like, okay, we got to get you out there. Me actually Moses filling a paparazzi video of you doing a good deed. Then like me sending it to tmz.

Trisha Paytas (119:54)

We're doing it.

Oscar Craig (119:54)

Y there no coincidence. There's no coincidence.

Trisha Paytas (119:58)

Of course. And also full glam, too. It's like full glam.

Moses Hackman (120:01)

Full be.

Trisha Paytas (120:02)

Let's do it.

Moses Hackman (120:03)

Let's go film one.

Trisha Paytas (120:04)

Oh, my God, I got my full glam on today. I guess it's good. Unless he's an actor. If he's like a real true.

Moses Hackman (120:09)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trisha Paytas (120:10)

That'd be crazy if he was like, also in on it and not really unhoused.

Moses Hackman (120:13)

But yeah, that is te. Because perform. If it's performative, whatever. Someone who is down on their luck, you know, benefiting from it. So let's go. But if it's someone who is, like, just a paid actor, that'd be crazy. Although it is hard to make a living as an actor. So maybe even then, I don't know.

Trisha Paytas (120:29)

Does he get to keep it, though?

Moses Hackman (120:32)

She's asking for a back diabolical, but I doubt. I think she can let go of. Of a bell or two.

Trisha Paytas (120:37)

I think JLo just needs to own her divinesh. God. Wouldn't it be a great rebrand, though? She just became, like, the nicest. This friendliest person to everybody around. She's just like, inviting, like, everybody to be her friend. Because even was it the Met gal red carpet that someone thought she was, like, being rude when someone asked her, like, who made the dress?

Moses Hackman (120:53)

Oh, yeah. She just said, like, the designer and kept walking up the stairs.

Trisha Paytas (120:56)

She needs to just give a little more conversation. Maybe.

Moses Hackman (120:58)

Yeah, she could, I guess, maybe go complete full pedal to the metal in one direction. Like Mariah Carey.

Trisha Paytas (121:05)

Yes.

Moses Hackman (121:05)

We know she's a diva. We know, and we love her for it. We're like, yes, Mariah, like, be fierce. Like, complain about the lighting. Like, you know, we love that about her.

Trisha Paytas (121:15)

Yeah.

Moses Hackman (121:15)

So I guess, like, but then the Bronx documentary was like, just love, like, running to the bodega. My hair is. I'm so wild. Like, so the relatability not working. So let's just go full blown. Like, honestly, I don't want to talk to you, Cole. I. I'm just Here to, like, look fierce and keep it moving. Like.

Trisha Paytas (121:30)

Yeah. She just own it.

Moses Hackman (121:32)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (121:32)

I think trying to be like, look at her be so nice to this. It's like. I don't know if that's really. But it is. Is cute. I guess. I guess we love it for the entertainment value. We were sending it in the group chat early.

Moses Hackman (121:40)

Yeah, I love it.

Oscar Craig (121:42)

I love it.

Trisha Paytas (121:42)

Because we never said Hot Topics, but, like, when something is just so fierce. Yeah.

Moses Hackman (121:48)

The theme of today's episode, fierce is fierce. I mean, what can I say?

Trisha Paytas (121:51)

It is true. Yeah.

Moses Hackman (121:53)

Meghan Trainor had her third baby via surrogate.

Trisha Paytas (121:57)

Oh, my gosh.

Moses Hackman (121:58)

Yeah. She just announced it, but I was kind of gagged because she got so much backlash for it. And I was, like, kind of confused.

Trisha Paytas (122:04)

Gosh. The Meghan Trainer hate train is. No pun intended. It's, like, actually so insane. She gets, like, a lot of hate, and I feel like she kind of. Not even in a shady way. Like, kind of just, like, lays low, does nothing. You know what I mean? So, like, even when she was, like, touring and she was wearing, like, those wigs and stuff, and people like, this is ridiculous. This doesn't look like her. And I'm just like, oh, my God. Like, people are kind of wild.

Moses Hackman (122:23)

Yeah. Like, I think some people. I mean, she's kind of been getting it since, like, back in the day, to be honest. I think people always kind of found the, like, shoebox. Like, people kind of turned on it pretty quick and was like, oh, this is so cringey.

Trisha Paytas (122:36)

Okay.

Moses Hackman (122:38)

Like, you know, she has some. She has some bops in the repertoire. Ironically, she wrote I ain't your mama for JLo, and I do love that song, and I love that JLo's singing on it. But you can hear Megan loud and proud on that track, I ain't your mama. I love.

Trisha Paytas (122:53)

I did a dance video to that back in 2016, 10 years ago.

Moses Hackman (122:56)

I'm telling you that Meghan Trainor pen hates to see her coming because she will write some catchy little lyrics.

Trisha Paytas (123:01)

It is funny because she is so talented as, like, a songwriter because she has written, like, amazing songs. Songs, but, like, and not. Not hate. Maybe there's a reason she does this. All her songs sound the same, so it's, like, weird.

Moses Hackman (123:10)

I guess it's just her signature style. Right? I mean, and also, someone brought this up about Bruno Mar. I mean, people are being mean about it, but when Bruno Mars was, like, releasing a new single the other day, everyone's like, well, all of his songs kind of do Sound the same. And I'm like, well. And no one ever says anything bad about like a Bruno Mars song or whatever.

Trisha Paytas (123:26)

So I'm like, yeah, like, that's true.

Moses Hackman (123:29)

Ed Sheeran kind of always sounds, you know, like Ed Sheeran on a song.

Trisha Paytas (123:32)

That's true, you know?

Moses Hackman (123:33)

So, yeah. Why can't Megan Trainer? She's in her lane. She likes her little doo wop and.

Trisha Paytas (123:38)

Right, right, right, right, right. I can have my Gucci. I could wear my Louis Vuitton.

Moses Hackman (123:48)

I made you look.

Trisha Paytas (123:50)

Remember she did that acapella with like all the tiktokers? Yeah, it was like. What's her name? God. The one that used to do the catering story times.

Moses Hackman (123:59)

You expect me to know a Tick Tocker's name?

Trisha Paytas (124:01)

Do you remember her?

Oscar Craig (124:02)

Which one?

Trisha Paytas (124:03)

She had, like curly hair and she was like a caterer and she'd always tell story times and she put like emojis on the screen.

Oscar Craig (124:07)

Oh, yeah.

Trisha Paytas (124:08)

What's her name? Like Eloise or something. And she kind of disappeared because she.

Oscar Craig (124:12)

Did the one with me.

Trisha Paytas (124:14)

Yes. Elise Myers. She was like singing on there randomly and it was like one of the guy, the. God, I forget his name. I know. Pentatonix. I'm so sorry. I can't remember the name. It's not Mitch. It's not Kevin.

Moses Hackman (124:24)

One of the tonics.

Trisha Paytas (124:26)

I know him too. Like, I don't know him, but like, I. Doesn't matter. Anyways, Chris Olsen was on there and they were all seeing, like, acapella. Do you not know this with her?

Moses Hackman (124:34)

No, I remember that. You remember the video, like, of Scott? Yeah, he's like the main one.

Trisha Paytas (124:39)

Why did I forget that? And they were all just like harmonizing with Megan Train. Anyways, it is funny because they do sound like they're written for Tick Tock. Like, I want this to go viral.

Moses Hackman (124:46)

Is he? Yeah. Which they end up doing, so.

Oscar Craig (124:50)

That's true.

Moses Hackman (124:51)

Yeah. Yeah. So she's.

Oscar Craig (124:53)

She's.

Moses Hackman (124:53)

Yeah, I know.

Trisha Paytas (124:54)

She had a hate dream. I wasn't sure she was like, really popular and I just noticed it, like in the past, like, year. Okay.

Moses Hackman (125:00)

Okay. I mean, I feel. Sorry. This. My psychoanalysis is. I think she gets a lot of. I mean, now because she's like, lost a lot of ways when she's skinny. I think before she's not like the traditionally super hot, like, bombshell pop girl. And there is always going to be like that. People are always going to be harder. Despite everyone thinking that they're super woke, they're still going to be that internalized misogyny. Of like she does not. Doesn't fit the like archetype of a pop girl. Like an Ariana. Like a cat's eye. Like these hot like sexy, desirable. Yeah like model ass. Because even if you're not like super hot like Taylor, I don't know if she's like the super hot like where she caters like men but she's still like Barbie got kind of.

Trisha Paytas (125:41)

Yeah.

Moses Hackman (125:41)

And then you have like a Charlie XCX who's like edgy and she's like hot and sexy and Megan kind of like somewhere in the middle. So I think people are going to be always harder on her in general. That's my woke takeaway. But people were really. She was getting a lot of backlash and people were mad at her for having a baby via surrogate, which I thought was like so wild.

Trisha Paytas (126:00)

What part of the Internet is it is her fans. Is it like right wing people? Like who's upset about it?

Moses Hackman (126:04)

It. I think it. To be honest, I think it is mostly like left leaning voices on Twitter is where I saw it the most and also like on Reddit and stuff. But it kind of got turned into like a classism thing like oh, here's this rich woman who's like using another woman's uterus for her game. Oh my God. God.

Trisha Paytas (126:26)

People are like ruthless. People are so like that. Yeah. That's why I hate the Internet. Like when people have babies they're so critical. We. I remember there's like Shane and Ryland when they like held the babies doing everything.

Moses Hackman (126:35)

Yes.

Trisha Paytas (126:36)

Okay, get out off the bat. Like what do you mean that's their baby?

Moses Hackman (126:39)

Because she put like her announcement was like her like skin to skin contact with her baby and there were so many comments of people being like like the why does she have a surrogate give birth and then stage it? Like she gave birth herself naked and crying as if she bird that baby herself. Renting another woman's womb is a effing disgrace.

Trisha Paytas (126:58)

That's crazy.

Moses Hackman (126:58)

That's not whatever rich woman buying a poor woman's womb then holding the baby in her arms and crying as if she gave birth herself. Nobody can convince me that this isn't diabolical. I have no respect for this.

Trisha Paytas (127:09)

This is crazy.

Moses Hackman (127:10)

It is wild.

Trisha Paytas (127:11)

That's why. That's not why she's crying. That's not why she's skinned as good. That's not just holding the baby baby crazy to assume classes because you know, seriously like to crazy. I would do it in a heartbeat for some. Like I would do it in A heartbeat. Like, if I was able to, like, give birth and I was, like, healthy and, like, young, and I would be doing it for everybody. Like, everybody. You know, like, that's such a weird assumption. I hate that. Like, it is her baby. It's anyone's baby. Like, if you are. If it's your baby. Like, I don't. I don't know why people care. Like, obviously it's not. Like, it's not hands. I mean, someone's being forced. Like, everyone's doing this consensually, willingly. People want to be surrogates. Like, it's. It's so. So bizarre. So. And like, right when someone has a baby is so crazy. Like, new parents, it's like, God, people are so mean. People are. Because I didn't see a lot of gay couples get the hate too, when they, like, holding their baby and stuff, and people go like, wow, you took it from the mother. It's like, that's not her baby.

Moses Hackman (128:09)

Yeah, not. It's so. It is really odd to me because especially you would think people would be really sympathetic about, like, women who, like, want another child, but, like, biologically, physically. Like, I think Megan talked about, like, her last birth, like, where she was struggling with, like, diabetes and stuff, right?

Trisha Paytas (128:26)

Like, yeah, diabetes, yeah. It's also super dangerous. She had C sections both times. And it's like, so dangerous because that's what can kill you, is if you have, like, a third C section. They say three is like the max, but even then it's like, like, really scary because it's so thin and fragile down there, and you're like, uterus could, like, erupt, basically. It could, like, rupture. So it's like, really dangerous to have multiple C sections.

Moses Hackman (128:45)

I kind of think it's people who just, like, have. Are not moms. You know what I mean?

Trisha Paytas (128:49)

Like 100. Because anyone who's. Doesn't matter if you're girls or guys, straights, gay, whatever. It's just like, anyone who, like, has struggled having, like, a child, like, that's like, the most beautiful thing, right? And. And like, everybody wants to be part of it. Surrogates want to be a part of it, and egg donors want to be a part of it. Like, there's a reason it's not. And most of the time, too, surrogates usually are not carrying, like, it's usually another. It's like, it's not biologically theirs either. I think a lot of people are.

Moses Hackman (129:13)

Like, like, their eggs.

Trisha Paytas (129:15)

Their eggs. Usually. It's like, if especially like, a gay couple Right. I don't know what Megan did. I don't know. It doesn't matter. But like, you know, if you're taking, if you, if you are getting a surrogate, you're usually taking someone else's egg. You know what I mean? And so it's like it's not also her. So people are like, you just took the baby from her. So it's just a very odd way to be. Obviously the skin to skin. You can do it with a parent, you can do it with dad, whatever. It's just like, it's that bonding. You just want to be close to the baby. It has nothing to do with like pretending you gave birth to it or something. And Megan was the opposite of pretending to give birth to anything. She's like our beautiful surrogate. Like she's like not hiding. You shouldn't have to. I think it is crazy to have to. Like, I think Chloe had talked about it too. She want to talk about the Tristan getting another girl pregnant because she thought the surrogate was going to get harassed. And it's like people just. Why do people care? And to like be so crazy to also be like, oh, rich to the poor. It's like you don't know that surrogate's life. Like that. That's the weirdest assumption to make. It. It's, it's very odd. I don't know people, I hate that so much.

Moses Hackman (130:09)

I know. I feel like people really just want to be. I get like the, the resentment towards people who are like, you know, upper class, like wealthy and have like more resources and stuff. And yes, surrogacy is very like very, very, very expensive. So I get like that resentment, but I don't, I think like attacking someone who is like welcoming the baby and also like not. She's not like she's being braggadocious or like, like going about it like in a malicious way. She's just like announcing. It's like this best thing you could possibly announce. Like you know, a new baby, like.

Trisha Paytas (130:41)

Welcoming life, just so excited. But people will always judge everything. Everything. I remember my first baby with Mel when I had Malibu. Everyone was like judging me for having a C section. Judge me for. I, I said something in my birth video that I. They gave you fat before you have a C section. And I remember so many people like, wow, she's using, she's taking drugs again. I'm like, this is like, like people will just like never, ever be happy if you take the epidural. If you don't take that, like people are just always, always going to be pissed about something. You know what? Honestly, like, not running for Congress, but truly, if I was, and maybe I will one day, it is like, it should be part of like health insurance to like have a surrogacy and stuff, if you. But they're trying to, right?

Moses Hackman (131:15)

Yeah. Some infertility do have, like, cover like surrogacy and stuff. Not all, though.

Trisha Paytas (131:23)

It should be more, I feel like, because I get it too. Like, it is annoying to like, if you can't afford it and stuff like that. Just annoying. I mean, that should be dealt with directly. Boss, I don't think you need to, like, attack something for it.

Moses Hackman (131:34)

And skin is. Skin is like a scientific, like, thing where it helps, like, regulate the baby's temperature. The. The chemicals that like, it brings like, in the baby's body helps create that bond. So it's like, it's like a backed. A scientifically backed thing for like any parent. Dad. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (131:54)

So even biologically, if it's like not yours, like, it still is a bonding thing. Thing to have, like skin to skin. Just feel like you said regulate heartbeats and like, like all of it. Like, it's just people are so. People are so weird with that. People hate that so much when people, like, hold their own babies. Like, you're. You're weird. Like, if anything, I wish I could have done that. Like after like a C section, they took the. Take the baby right away. I can't, like, do it. So, like, it's. It's like, I don't know people. I was shook because I guess she kept it private. Right? It is like a thing now where people don't announce their babies till they're here. Kind of like, yeah, it could never be me because, you know, I love to like, detail everything, but I like that it is kind of chic. Here's the baby Paris did that I had never seen. Oh, you know, I was invited to the Paris premiere last night. I should have gone. I saw the DM from Paris Hilton, like, too late. But I saw like Tana going. I saw all these people going. And I was like, I think Tara yummy. Went Debbie Lovato. And I had an invite from her in my dm. I didn't check it in time. I would have loved to have gone to that. But I saw a clip of her. It must be old because her kids are like my kids age. But she just. She didn't even tell her mom. She's like, here's your grandson. Did you ever see that clip?

Moses Hackman (132:56)

No.

Trisha Paytas (132:56)

It's from her documentary. I guess she has a couple documentaries a while ago. And she's like, wait a minute. She goes, wait here, Mom. And then she comes back with her baby into shows. And I was like, who's. Whose baby is that? Like, mine?

Moses Hackman (133:06)

That is fierce.

Trisha Paytas (133:07)

That's fierce. I love that. It's kind of. That's kind of cool to just show.

Moses Hackman (133:11)

Up with, you know, she has. There's. Dakota and Elle Fanning are doing a series of Paris. I think they're playing Paris and Nikki Hilton. Like a miniseries. I'm so excited. I love Dakota and Al Fanning, so. And they don't. They make usually, like, more, like, artistic stuff or, like, more dramatic stuff. So I'm excited for, like, them to do something, like, really girly pop.

Trisha Paytas (133:32)

Oh, I love. I feel like Ryan Murphy should direct it. It's like a scandal one. Or is it just, like, cutesy?

Moses Hackman (133:37)

I think it's like. It's probably gonna be some dramatic. Some drama to it, I imagine. But I think if they're playing, like, heiresses, especially if they're doing Y2K, which I think because they're. I feel like around the age of, like, it. Of, like, the peak. Paris and Nikki. Right. Like, how old is Dakota?

Trisha Paytas (133:53)

I feel like she's my age.

Moses Hackman (133:54)

No, no, Dakota Fanny's really okay. She's 30, so.

Trisha Paytas (133:57)

Okay.

Moses Hackman (133:57)

Yeah. So not too far off.

Trisha Paytas (133:59)

Yeah, I guess that might be right.

Moses Hackman (134:00)

I was even. Is younger.

Trisha Paytas (134:01)

Yeah, that.

Moses Hackman (134:02)

Yeah, I was 27, so.

Trisha Paytas (134:03)

Yeah, that seemed like around the ages of. Yeah, Well, I was seated for that.

Moses Hackman (134:06)

Me too.

Trisha Paytas (134:07)

I didn't. I love Paris. I don't know. It's a. Sarah gets to everyone. It's just, like, also, like, people do have, like, health problems, and it's the dangerous for people to carry babies, and they can't carry babies, and. And there are people who are, like, really awesome at just carrying babies. Like, you know, there's people who, like, love pregnancy, who can deliver babies, no problem. Like, that would be me a thousand percent. Like, I love being pregnant, and if I had easy deliveries and I was healthier, I'd be doing surrogacy all day long. I'd be, like, carrying everyone's babies. So I want you to just chill out. Honestly, she looked great. Congratulations. It's a. It's a girl, right? What is it? Mikey Moon.

Moses Hackman (134:40)

Yes.

Trisha Paytas (134:40)

Yes.

Moses Hackman (134:41)

I love the name. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (134:42)

Really, really cute. Yeah, I'm really excited for her. She seems like a good mom. She wrote a parenting book, I think.

Moses Hackman (134:48)

And, yeah, her other two kids are the cutest ever.

Trisha Paytas (134:51)

So cute. I know. It is crazy, like, once you lose weight, because I guess Lizzo kind of got the same treatment too, Right. When she was bigger, people, like, championed her, and then she lost weight and everyone's like, you.

Moses Hackman (135:01)

Yeah. People are harder on her. So she gets it both. You usually get it both ways, actually. Like, people hate you fat, then they hate you skinny.

Trisha Paytas (135:10)

I don't know. Like, me, fat. The fatter I get, the nicer people are to me. You know, it's giving, like. Yeah, I get it. People like, oh, she's fat. That's cute. But when you're skinny and fierce and you're a threat. I think Nikki Glaser talked about that, how she's like, all the skinny people hate on Zemp because they don't want all the fatties to be skinny.

Moses Hackman (135:32)

Yeah. T. They don't want it to be too accessible.

Trisha Paytas (135:34)

Yeah. Because it is.

Moses Hackman (135:35)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (135:36)

Everybody's skinny now.

Moses Hackman (135:38)

Okay. We talked about the Beckham drama on Patreon, but there have been some updates, and I love this one because it involves someone from the Trish cinematic universe from back in the day.

Trisha Paytas (135:49)

What?

Moses Hackman (135:50)

Justin Anderson, who you went to for.

Trisha Paytas (135:54)

Yeah.

Moses Hackman (135:55)

He's done your hair Cavalier.

Trisha Paytas (135:56)

Yes. We clock it. We have photos together. He was so handsome.

Moses Hackman (135:59)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (136:00)

Me and my gay man. I just was really in love with him for a minute.

Moses Hackman (136:02)

And he also. The Oscar cinematic universe because he was. I was friends with his partner, Austin Rhodes, my former sister. Yeah. Austin Rhodes.

Trisha Paytas (136:12)

Is that the one that you've had a falling out with or the other one?

Moses Hackman (136:14)

The. Aaron Rhodes was the one I was, like, best friends with, so. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (136:19)

Wow.

Moses Hackman (136:21)

He came out to back the Beckham family.

Trisha Paytas (136:24)

Wow.

Moses Hackman (136:25)

And he talked about his bad experience with Nicola Peltz. Yeah. Which, if anyone, like, he's not afraid of, you know, stirring the pot. So this kind of makes sense.

Trisha Paytas (136:36)

He's, like, retired, like, living. Not in California, just living his, like, best rich life. I think there's some point where people just don't.

Moses Hackman (136:42)

Don't care. Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (136:43)

Like, I'm just gonna. It would be me if I, like, won the lottery. Be like, I'm just gonna chime in.

Moses Hackman (136:46)

He has, like, products now, and, like, he. I think he's still. He's still Kristen, I think. Right. Does he just.

Trisha Paytas (136:53)

I think he's, like, wealthy from something. Like, he just gives the vibes that he's just, like, never working and just living.

Moses Hackman (136:59)

Yeah. Because he, like, for context, was doing everyone's. Hey. Like, Margot Robbie, Jennifer Aniston, Miley Cyrus. Yes. Like, he was the Celebrity colorist, right?

Trisha Paytas (137:08)

Yes, he was amazing.

Moses Hackman (137:10)

But he spoke out about how he worked out. He worked with Nicola back in 2014 during a press tour and he commented on an Instagram post by Best of Bravo that was like recapping the drama and said Brooklyn's wife was one of the worst celebs in quotes I've ever worked with. It's her. She's a bad apple. Everyone knows how close the Beckham family really is. And then he. Once that got pickup, he doubled down because then he went to his Instagram story and he was like, hold on. I actually have more to say. He said, I've worked with her. Not nice. Not nice. I can say with my full chest. Not good energy. Bad news bears. And then, yeah, based on how many wedding planners she went through, I think she's the issue. I mean, Google her. Google her. Go into Reddit, go into the dark corners of Reddit and read a little bit about her. Not a good person. Spooky energy. Very spooky energy.

Trisha Paytas (138:02)

It's great.

Moses Hackman (138:03)

I don't even feel bad saying that because when someone's just so not nice, it always comes out. You can't hide it. So, yeah, I do feel really bad for the Beckham family. I do. Which that is why. That's very condemning, which I have. I have no. Really. I have no skin in the race, really. Like, I. Not that invested. I've heard bad things about the Peltz family. The Beckham family, I know really nothing about. They seem just very rich and they're all rich.

Trisha Paytas (138:29)

This is like rich people problems. I'm like, over. You know what I mean? I mean, there's just like a bunch of just rich people. They all seem a little shady. Everyone, the Beckhams. He doesn't. He doesn't seem wonderful. She doesn't seem wonderful. I guess the boy seems okay. I know. Nothing bad about him. Nicola, I guess we're hearing, but I do. Justin, I mean, he's always messy. He's always messy. Obviously can be biased. Maybe. I don't know, but because I remember he did Jamie Lynn Spears and he's a big Britney Stan too. And he's like defending Jamie Lynn.

Moses Hackman (138:55)

I was like, oh, why? Why?

Trisha Paytas (138:56)

You know what I mean? But your experience.

Moses Hackman (139:00)

I'm kind of thinking, like, it's kind of T, though, because he. He had that personal connection with Jamie Lynn, so he defended. Offended her.

Trisha Paytas (139:04)

That's what I'm saying. There's bias. Yeah.

Moses Hackman (139:06)

But he had that personal. Like, I feel like he would probably be more inclined if you have personal experience with someone. Usually people are very nice to the hairstylist because like, a hairstylist is like the keys to the castle. Like, they can F you up, they can make you look amazing, they can make you look terrible.

Trisha Paytas (139:19)

Yeah, that's true.

Moses Hackman (139:20)

So if you're mean to your hair stylist, then.

Trisha Paytas (139:22)

Right.

Moses Hackman (139:22)

You really do not give a F.

Trisha Paytas (139:24)

Yeah, I believe I do think it's like so truthful on this. But again, I think all these people are shady, messy. This is like one where it's just like rich people problems and it's like. Yeah, it's one thing to like. Yeah, I have no. I have no Karen album. Are those photos real? The ones of her, like flipping in front of him?

Moses Hackman (139:40)

This was my hot topic as well, because you. I literally had to send this to Jimmy separately off the group.

Trisha Paytas (139:46)

What was it?

Moses Hackman (139:47)

Because Trisha tweeted today, let me get the direct I need. I put this in my notes with the link because I was that gagged by it.

Trisha Paytas (139:53)

I'm so confused. I was like googling and all these photos show up, but I'm like, I think these are real.

Moses Hackman (139:57)

Okay, so dancing.

Trisha Paytas (140:01)

Yeah.

Moses Hackman (140:01)

Trisha tweeted. I'm truly confused if these are real or not. Question mark. Like, they don't look like AI emoji. They don't cut to the photos. Is Posh Spice break dancing on her head in front of Nicola Peltz. And Brooklyn Beckham smiling in for the camera. Her with her doing a back bend, her doing a high kick splits in the air. And Trisha was confused if it was real life. And meanwhile Nicola and Brooklyn just posing as if nothing's happening. Posh looking directly down the barrel of the camera with doing a split mid air. And Patricia K. Paytas had a question. Is this real something that you. That miraculously just came out after Brooklyn Beckham made his statements and it became a meme about Victoria Beckham dancing.

Trisha Paytas (140:44)

But she was wearing that dress at the wedding. So I'm just so confused how they were able to get these.

Moses Hackman (140:50)

Have you never seen. I mean, I guess the person who thought that the Monk. The Tick Tock. The Tick Tock Monk was an AI at first.

Trisha Paytas (140:57)

He does. Have you seen him? He looks so. Have you seen it? That one is crazy real. Because usually you can tell AI like, it's usually like, hi, I'm John William Gacy.

Oscar Craig (141:06)

Like most people can.

Trisha Paytas (141:07)

Huh?

Oscar Craig (141:08)

Most people can. We need a new segment. Real or.

Trisha Paytas (141:11)

This one is crazy though. This one looks so real.

Moses Hackman (141:14)

Well, you also did think those cherry blossom Floors, like, two years ago.

Trisha Paytas (141:17)

That got me. I know. I still think those are real. Those ones looked so good, but they are. There is, like, everyone's saying there is footage of her dancing at the wedding.

Moses Hackman (141:25)

No, no, there's.

Trisha Paytas (141:27)

There's none.

Moses Hackman (141:27)

There's no footage. There have been wedding guests that came forward to could over the years to kind of confirm the testimonial of her dancing crazy with Brooklyn Beckham.

Trisha Paytas (141:37)

So this is not it.

Moses Hackman (141:38)

These photos.

Trisha Paytas (141:40)

Not one is real.

Moses Hackman (141:41)

Not one is real.

Trisha Paytas (141:42)

Okay, the one on her face looks kind of crazy, but the one where.

Moses Hackman (141:44)

She'S literally on her head break dancing looked a little crazy.

Trisha Paytas (141:46)

And that. There's one where she's, like, in the air. And that, to me, looks like something I would do at a wedding or something. You know what I mean? Like, that looks like right in front.

Moses Hackman (141:53)

Of the married couple just doing a jump. It splits in the air. Literally all my wedding promise. I just want you dancing in the movie.

Trisha Paytas (142:04)

I'm wearing that. I'll wear that dress, too, after I officiate it. I'll do a little jump in here.

Moses Hackman (142:10)

Fiercest fears. But I was like, I literally send that to Jimmy separately.

Trisha Paytas (142:13)

We'll send it to you. But then I think I just did it this morning. I was like, whatever. I'll just put it on Twitter instead. I really am like, twitter? I get a nothing burger on Twitter. I'm really just like. Like, I get, like, thousand likes or views or something.

Moses Hackman (142:24)

I love it, though, because you're doing it for the love of the game. And I think that's.

Trisha Paytas (142:27)

That's what makes it better at a certain point. Not that it's, like, embarrassing, but at a certain point, I'm like, who am I even talking?

Moses Hackman (142:31)

No, me. Because I see all your tweets, and then I text him to Jimmy. I'm like, hey, look at this one.

Trisha Paytas (142:35)

There's, like, two comments maybe underneath each of my tweets. It really is dead over there. Damn. For me. Anyways, I guess I'm on not any side of Twitter.

Moses Hackman (142:42)

This is too funny.

Trisha Paytas (142:43)

I get on there once in a while, once every few days. I'm like, okay, I'll tweet some stuff.

Moses Hackman (142:47)

Yeah, you get in a little tweet storm, and then you leave for, like, two weeks.

Trisha Paytas (142:51)

It's just not my.

Moses Hackman (142:52)

Yeah, yeah, that's fair. But it has become a whole meme about Victoria Beckham's inappropriate dance of Brooklyn Beckham at his wedding. Like, there was one of Jojo Siwa dancing, and someone said, that was Victoria.

Trisha Paytas (143:07)

Yeah, yeah.

Moses Hackman (143:08)

I love all the memes. And who else loved the memes was Cruz Beckham. Because Cruz Beckham was caught liking all these like memes about his mom dancing at the wedding. I love that on Twitter, on Instagram, it would be like liked by Cruise Beckham.

Trisha Paytas (143:23)

I love that. Because he's also young to know like people see the likes, you know what I mean?

Moses Hackman (143:26)

Yeah, I feel like he knows, but just neg gaffs. Because he's also the one brother that has like been very vocal about like Brooklyn. He's very much on his parents side and has like shaded Brooklyn like publicly on Instagram. So he kind of d gaffs. Yeah, like he's gone back and forth with him a few times. He's the one that announced a couple weeks ago, like my parents didn't unfollow them. We woke up and we were blocked. Like he wrote that on his Instagram story.

Trisha Paytas (143:47)

Oh, he's in defense of the parents.

Moses Hackman (143:48)

Yes. He's like messing the memes. Yeah, I think he just probably just thinks it's funny, which they are funny. So.

Trisha Paytas (143:54)

Yeah, sometimes I laugh at it. Yeah, that is so also too. They probably have like. Do they get inheritances? Maybe he like, you know what I mean? Maybe he wants to be.

Moses Hackman (144:03)

Great question. They must, right?

Trisha Paytas (144:05)

Do they get a trust? You know, trust from babies. You get the trust when the parents are alive or when they're past.

Moses Hackman (144:10)

Great question.

Trisha Paytas (144:10)

I don't know because it's like always confusing.

Moses Hackman (144:13)

I'm sure they must get a chunk as they are growing up, like into adulthood. Right?

Trisha Paytas (144:16)

You would think, I guess because I always say, oh, that's a trust fund baby. But it's like, do they have the money? Do they have access?

Moses Hackman (144:20)

They must have access to.

Oscar Craig (144:21)

Yeah, that means they have access to the trust.

Trisha Paytas (144:24)

Did you know someone that maybe we can't tell a story that was like waited till they were like, they were just from baby. But they had to wait till they were like 60. They were like, oh, I'm waiting till my parents pass to get the money. And then they were like 70 when their parents passed.

Oscar Craig (144:34)

Yeah, they really.

Trisha Paytas (144:35)

So how did they not get the trust?

Oscar Craig (144:37)

They got it when they were really old.

Trisha Paytas (144:39)

Oh, so they had to wait till the parents to pass.

Oscar Craig (144:41)

There's different ways people set it up, but yeah, some when. Usually when they talk about trans trust fund kids, there are people that have access to the money to the trust. Some people have to wait till the parents pass away because in this case the parent didn't want to give them money anymore because they were not Working, not doing anything. They're like, so basically when the parent passes away, they get all this stuff.

Trisha Paytas (145:03)

That's so crazy. So then just have someone just, like, waiting for you to, like, pass away, even not meanly, just logically.

Oscar Craig (145:12)

They just don't want to work.

Trisha Paytas (145:14)

That's crazy. It's crazy. Well, I got one. What's our hot one?

Moses Hackman (145:22)

Tana and the halter top. Oh, that's all I got. What do you got?

Trisha Paytas (145:26)

My week of just tan on all the hot. I know. Literally, that's him.

Moses Hackman (145:30)

Me too.

Trisha Paytas (145:31)

I love that. That's the hottest topic for you this week to be. I was like, oh, just whatever.

Moses Hackman (145:35)

Oh, I think it's so fierce. I think it's so fierce.

Trisha Paytas (145:38)

I saw. Right? Same. I think the one we posted today of Not Loveline was her before she posted herself in the halter top. Was her just being like, this was in my dress, but I don't want to talk about it anymore. And then I saw the next day.

Moses Hackman (145:51)

I was like, she slept on it. She slept on it. Was like, actually, well, yeah, two nights.

Trisha Paytas (145:56)

She slept on it. Because she's like, this was yesterday. And I was like, you know what? I drafted. And I was so happy I did because, you know, I don't want to be messy. I was like, love that. Great.

Moses Hackman (146:03)

And then the next day, sometimes you sleep on it and you're like, actually, yeah, I do feel I want to do this. I do. I do want to stir the pot. Yeah, I've been there too. I slept on it and chose violence.

Trisha Paytas (146:14)

Three days ago when we filmed that, I guess it was Sunday. We filmed Today's Wednesday. Yeah, Three days ago. She didn't have, to my knowledge, the halter top. So how did she get the halter top so quickly? Like, I feel like she would have told me, oh, I found it.

Moses Hackman (146:26)

She would not have been able to, like, keep that.

Trisha Paytas (146:28)

No. She always tells me stuff.

Moses Hackman (146:29)

I wonder if she had to ask a nurse in the valley for that halter top.

Trisha Paytas (146:32)

She DM somebody. Like, how did she. How did you know what. What it looked like? Do we know? How did she know what it looked like? How did she know it was the right way?

Moses Hackman (146:38)

I saw photos of the halter top, like, as it was first. First investigating. So Tara's World must have posted at some point in the. In the, you know, Firestorm.

Trisha Paytas (146:46)

Got it. Okay, okay, okay.

Moses Hackman (146:47)

Yeah. Because everyone was commenting, girl. All this for this halter top. Like, it. It wasn't that iconic.

Trisha Paytas (146:52)

So it was that.

Moses Hackman (146:54)

I will give it a Charles World. It is A cute halter top and I could see it for New Year's.

Trisha Paytas (146:58)

I could maybe if you're a bridesmaid in 2016. Like, what do you mean? That's chopped in uncle. Yes. Like, that is crazy.

Oscar Craig (147:08)

There was no cook in the kitchen.

Trisha Paytas (147:10)

Awful. Ugly.

Moses Hackman (147:14)

Oh my God. That's so funny. You think it's that ugly?

Oscar Craig (147:18)

Awful.

Trisha Paytas (147:18)

Ill fitting. Horrible on anyone. Tana's like a literal model with like the best body ever.

Moses Hackman (147:24)

So funny.

Trisha Paytas (147:25)

It was just like, that's. That's awful.

Moses Hackman (147:28)

I'm dead.

Oscar Craig (147:30)

Like, did she say it's gonna end up in the trash after this?

Trisha Paytas (147:33)

Yeah. 10 I think was like. Like, I don't want.

Moses Hackman (147:36)

And she did caption. It wasn't even hard to find. So like, how did she.

Trisha Paytas (147:40)

She is in her thrifting arm. She will not. She does not purchase anything new. She does everything. Depop. Every time I see her in something. Girls next level, whatever. She's wearing the podcast Depop. Depop. She's a depop queen.

Moses Hackman (147:52)

Oh, my God. Okay, work. Because. Okay. She commented on her own tick tock. I felt like this was a healthier exercise for me than going on a 45 minute tangent about how my opinion is not the. The same as the public's and why that sentiment proved my point entirely. Fierce statement. And then Brooke right underneath. I mean, now that I'm looking at it, it's a great top.

Trisha Paytas (148:09)

I mean, that's crazy. No, no one thinks this.

Oscar Craig (148:13)

No, Taro does.

Trisha Paytas (148:16)

No, it's. No, no.

Moses Hackman (148:19)

Oh, my God, that is just so fierce. I mean, God, that's the title. Like, fierce is fierce. That is so good. So good.

Trisha Paytas (148:28)

It was so good that she. I thought had I know what it looked like. I could have found it too. Like it is easy to find. You know, I can find anything.

Moses Hackman (148:36)

Like you would have reversed image search that and found it and had it in time. Like three hours before the ball. Yup. You would have had that in a quick.

Trisha Paytas (148:44)

You can get anything so fast. So I do love.

Moses Hackman (148:47)

And if you couldn't find it, you would have had a seamstress really quick. You would have had Eddie's online easily. Halter top, put a couple pearls on it, a bow, call it a day.

Trisha Paytas (148:58)

Had I seen it earlier, I would have done it for today. I would have had it for today. And if I had my production. Yeah. In pink, maybe I will. If it wasn't ugly, I would for sure. But is it terror? Tara's.

Moses Hackman (149:11)

I think it's Tara's world.

Trisha Paytas (149:12)

Tara's World.

Moses Hackman (149:13)

Yeah. You always go for Tara. Every time there's a Tara.

Trisha Paytas (149:16)

I do know a Tara.

Moses Hackman (149:17)

Oh, okay.

Trisha Paytas (149:17)

Who hates the word tar. But then I saw Tara yummy the other day. I was like, I want your tear. Because anyways, very confusing. Then she said she did find one, but it was only an extra large. Oh, did you see that? Oh, you did. This is the whole drama of it all then. Because it was subtle shade at Tana is what people thought they were like. She goes, yeah, I found it. But I mean it was only an xl. So kind of insinuating that hers was next out. So Tana responded. I was like, this is a medium. And it was big.

Moses Hackman (149:44)

It does like, it's kind of swallowing Tana up in this. And it's a medium.

Trisha Paytas (149:47)

And I was just like. So that everybody was just once again being like Tatar's world. Like, like what? Like what?

Moses Hackman (149:55)

What are you. Sometimes you just gotta wave the white flag and again say, fierce is fierce.

Trisha Paytas (150:00)

You ate me up.

Moses Hackman (150:02)

Weirdly, Daniel Prado with Connor Franta. When Daniel's just like, you know what? Connor, you ate with that. Like, you gotta just be like, you know what?

Trisha Paytas (150:08)

Yeah, of course.

Moses Hackman (150:09)

You cooks and ate.

Trisha Paytas (150:12)

That's a good one. And it was funny. It was good. It was like a cute ending to all this drama. It was. Was wonderful. And then in the comments, Tana's literally like. Because Tara commented and shake and then check. You can have it for real. Like, why do you know, like have the halter? And I want to see her have it. It was. It's a mess. But I do love halter gate. I love halter gate Was the beginning of this year. Because it was just so unserious.

Moses Hackman (150:35)

Yes. And everyone besides Charles world, everyone was on the same. Everyone in the world minus one was, you know, agreed.

Trisha Paytas (150:43)

I need Tara's world to come clean. I want her to do all a full sit down interview with me. 2020 Barbara Walter style. And be like, girl, where's the lie detector guy? Get the lie detector test in here. We know him, we can get him in here. I need to know because there's just, you know, I think she was behind it all. In my opinion. It has to be because like also she's taking it like too lightly. You know what I mean? Like, it has to be. It had to be all made up. Which by the way, genius. If it was great.

Moses Hackman (151:08)

Yeah. If made up. It is. She's the smartest woman in the world because like this really captured the zeitgeist.

Trisha Paytas (151:15)

Yes.

Moses Hackman (151:16)

In a wonderful way in the.

Trisha Paytas (151:18)

In the realm. Because even like Even in her response to Tana, she was like, I'm still mad at her, but you could tell it was, like, in jest. So I'm like, I feel like she's just. The whole thing was a troll.

Moses Hackman (151:28)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (151:29)

And I hope so for her sake. And I think it was. Otherwise, she's the worst person ever. But I think it was a troll, and I think she was just being cutesy. And in that case, I can respect. I respect it. Fierce is fair.

Moses Hackman (151:43)

That's the theme of today.

Trisha Paytas (151:44)

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Moses Hackman (152:05)

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Trisha Paytas (152:07)

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Moses Hackman (152:09)

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Trisha Paytas (152:10)

Vote or die.

Moses Hackman (152:11)

Yeah.

Trisha Paytas (152:14)

We bring those shirts back. But didn't P. Diddy start all that? That's a whole other thing.

Moses Hackman (152:17)

I thought it was Paris Hilton.

Trisha Paytas (152:18)

I think he was. I think P. Diddy in Paris.

Moses Hackman (152:20)

Oh, God.

Trisha Paytas (152:20)

Yeah.

Moses Hackman (152:21)

Well, let's just attribute it to Paris.

Trisha Paytas (152:23)

Yeah. Paris always. Paris forever. Paris for president. Love you guys. We'll see you next one. Bye.