JoJo Siwa's HORRIFIC Big Brother Treatment & MESSY Coachella Moments

Summary

Just Trish Podcast Summary: "JoJo Siwa's HORRIFIC Big Brother Treatment & MESSY Coachella Moments"

Release Date: April 17, 2025

Welcome to a comprehensive summary of the "Just Trish" podcast episode hosted by Trisha Paytas, featuring her co-host Oscar Gracey and guest Harry Daniels. This episode delves into a myriad of topics, ranging from upcoming performances and pop culture trends to personal reflections on handling criticism and influencer dynamics.

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1. Upcoming Performances and Tour Announcements

Trisha's Tour Itinerary: Trisha begins by exciting listeners with announcements about her upcoming performances:

• Vegas Extravaganza: Trish and a special guest will perform their song "Trishella" at the Cosmo in Las Vegas on April 12, aligning with Viva Las Vegas Week. Trisha enthuses, "We're gonna be performing at the Cosmo, and I'm very excited. It's gonna be a Vegas extravaganza." ([00:44])
• Radio City Music Hall: Next week, they are slated to perform at the iconic Radio City Music Hall in New York, where Trisha plans to showcase her rendition of "Empire State of Mind" alongside photo shoots and new merchandise ([01:48]).
• Boston Wing Theater: On April 16, the Boston show at the Wing Theater is already sold out, featuring 20 cameras filming their "Eras Tour," set to release in theaters this year in 3D ([02:10]).

Merchandise and Special Guests:

• Limited edition merch and new costumes are available at each show.
• A special guest is confirmed for the Vegas performance, with ongoing work to secure a guest for New York ([02:37]-[03:12]).

2. Pop Culture and Trending Topics

Minecraft Collaborations: Trisha and Oscar discuss their fascination with Minecraft, expressing concerns over the availability of "Minecraft adult meals" and contemplating potential collaborations with Jimmy Wetzel, who created a popular Minecraft-themed edit of Trisha. Trisha remarks, "I'll try it. I'll eat it all. We're going to try the Kardashian crumble." ([03:12]-[05:00]).

Axolotls and Build a Bear Craze: The duo highlights the viral trend surrounding axolotls, emphasizing their endangered status in Mexico and their presence in captivity. Oscar shares, "They're only found in captivity or bred as pets, so captivity is good in this case." ([09:04]-[12:02]). They also mention the scarcity and high resale value of limited edition Build a Bear axolotls, noting, "They had the little sea creature, Axolotl, resold on Poshmark for $300." ([09:04]-[10:20]).

3. Parenting Insights and Household Chores

Handling Chores and Diapers: Trisha and Oscar engage in a candid conversation about household responsibilities and parenting challenges:

• Cleaning Preferences: Trisha admits her struggles with cleaning toilets, saying, "I'm not great at cleaning. It's not to say I'm lazy, but I'm not good." ([12:09]-[17:38]).
• Diaper Changing Woes: They discuss the difficulties of diaper changing, coordination with squirming children, and the emotional toll it takes. Trisha advises, "She keeps looking for it. She's like, where's the little dinosaur?" ([16:00]-[17:38]).

4. White Lotus Conspiracy Theory Discussion

Feud Speculation Between Cast Members: Oscar introduces a trending conspiracy theory suggesting a feud between Amy Lou Wood (played Chelsea) and Walton Goggins (played Rick) from "White Lotus."

• Social Media Indicators: The theory posits that Walton blocking Amy Lou on Instagram and the disappearance of her comments from his posts signal underlying tensions, despite their positive interactions on set. Oscar explains, "Amy Lou Wood and Walton Goggins have this weird kind of feud going on." ([19:13]-[22:19]).
• Insights from Cast Interviews: They reference interviews with Jason Isaacs and Walton Goggins, highlighting on-set drama and personal struggles that may contribute to the strained relationships. Oscar notes, "Mike White said no to more of that weird sound in the score because he was angry with Mike White." ([22:19]-[34:30]).

5. Michaela Apology and Handling Criticism

Addressing Past Comments: A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to addressing criticism stemming from past podcast comments about Michaela, an influencer facing backlash.

• Oscar’s Reflection: Oscar acknowledges his overly harsh comments, stating, "I came across very mean and judgmental, which wasn't my intent." ([75:02]-[77:24]).
• Trisha’s Empathy: Trisha empathizes with Michaela's struggles and emphasizes the importance of compassion, sharing, "I have a soft spot for her. I have bias now." ([75:02]-[77:24]).
• Impact of Social Media: They discuss the challenges influencers face with online criticism and the responsibility of content creators to be sensitive, with Trisha affirming, "It's hard when you know someone too." ([76:14]-[85:31]).

6. Interaction with Harry Daniels

Guest Segment with Harry Daniels: The episode features Harry Daniels, a recurring guest, who shares insights into his experiences with influencer culture and the entertainment industry.

• Concert and Performance Experiences: Harry talks about his involvement in Disney projects, performing at Coachella, and interactions with celebrities like Ariana Grande and Dylan from "Tenet." He humorously recounts attempting to sing to Rihanna for her Smurfs movie, "My biggest manifestation for 2025 is that I actually put out the music, and then it's actually gonna be a thing." ([90:00]-[103:32]).
• Handling PR and Collaborations: He discusses the complexities of managing public relations, booking appearances, and the importance of authentic interactions over curated content ([103:03]-[115:00]).
• Challenges of Media Training: Harry reflects on his struggles with media training and the pressures of maintaining an online presence, stating, "I need that separation because it's like, I’m a really anxious person." ([115:00]-[117:12]).

7. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Looking Ahead: The episode wraps up with Trisha expressing excitement for upcoming events and performances, thanking Harry for his support, and encouraging listeners to engage with their content. Trisha concludes with heartfelt sentiments, "Harry Daniels will be everywhere. He'll be at Coachella this week. He'll be at Radio City Music Hall next week, and we love you so much." ([138:18]-[139:00]).

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Notable Quotes

• Trisha Paytas on Performing in Vegas: "We're gonna be performing at the Cosmo, and I'm very excited. It's gonna be a Vegas extravaganza." ([00:44])
• Oscar on Waxing Philosophical About Axolotls: "They're only found in captivity or bred as pets, so captivity is good in this case." ([09:04])
• Trisha on Parenting Challenges: "I'm not great at cleaning. It's not to say I'm lazy, but I'm not good." ([12:09])
• Oscar Introducing the White Lotus Theory: "Amy Lou Wood and Walton Goggins have this weird kind of feud going on." ([19:13])
• Trisha on Handling Criticism: "I think it was a little intense to say everyone who's commented on it, there's a special place in hell for them." ([75:02])
• Harry Daniels on Music Manifestations: "My biggest manifestation for 2025 is that I actually put out the music, and then it's actually gonna be a thing." ([90:00])

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This episode of "Just Trish" offers an engaging blend of entertainment, personal anecdotes, and critical discussions on influencer dynamics and pop culture phenomena. Trisha and Oscar navigate through their upcoming tours, delve into trending topics like Minecraft and axolotls, share parenting insights, explore conspiracy theories surrounding "White Lotus," and reflect on the impact of their past comments on influencers like Michaela. The inclusion of Harry Daniels adds a fresh perspective on the challenges faced by emerging artists in the digital age.

Whether you're a long-time listener or new to the "Just Trish" podcast, this episode provides a rich tapestry of conversations that are both entertaining and thought-provoking.

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Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

We were trying to get our pregnancy announcement sponsored by Clear Blue. My God, they were, like, considering it, like, back and forth for so long. And that they did follow each other. Now they don't follow each other.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the blocking means. Because her comments don't appear on his post.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

He really does relentlessly go after Michaela for every little thing. And that's why she's like. And anyone who makes a video about this and blah, blah, like, you know, f you, whatever.

[Harry Daniels]

Her name is.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's got the dish and all the gossips.

[Harry Daniels]

Healthy, rich, really in pink, Hot Topic.

[Trisha Paytas]

Queen and says what everybody thinks.

[Harry Daniels]

She's just Trish.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hello and welcome back to the Just Trish podcast. Guys. It's Viva Las Vegas Week. We're going to Vegas this week, and I can confirm we have a very special guest coming this week who's actually performing with me. We're performing a song. Usually I have guests. They come on stage. We do a little key. But there is a performance, special guest coming. So if you're in Vegas this weekend, April 12, if you're skipping Coachella, come see Trishella. We're gonna be performing at the Cosmo, and I'm very excited. It's gonna be a Vegas extravaganza. And then next week, we will be at the Radio City Music hall in New York. I've been practicing my Empire State of Mind, and it's pretty good. I even do the Jay Z rap, and it's pretty amazing. My billboards are in New York, so I'll be doing photo shoots around New York. I'm going to do the hot dog Brittany pose. I got. I got a hot dog. A bling hot dog. I'm not going to even tell Moses how much it is. There's, like, a bling hot dog at Harrods. If you know, you know, it's Judith Lieber. So if you know, you know. And I don't even like hot dogs. But it goes so well with the photo shoot, and we're doing a show there, so it's kind of like a business expense is what I think.

[Oscar]

And kind of reusable, like, Fourth of July. You can, you know, do, like, a hot dog photo shoot. Like a Jennifer Coolidge kind of vibe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hey. I'm like, I didn't know if we celebrated Fourth of July anymore, but I.

[Oscar]

Think everyone likes hot dogs, though. Doesn't love a good dog. I think I do. I've been kind of craving a Costco hot dog, weirdly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Costco food. We should do a Costco food I.

[Oscar]

Do love Costco these days.

[Trisha Paytas]

Their pizza is actually so good. Reasonable. I like that we're economical. Yeah, yeah. And it will be in Boston April. New York is April 15th. Will be in Boston April 16th at the Wing. The theater. Sold out. Been sold out. We still have tickets left for Vegas in New York, but it's been sold out at the Boston show and we are doing our pro shot that day. So it's going to be really epic. We're going to have 20 cameras filming. It's going to be the eras tour. We're releasing in theaters this year in 3D.

[Oscar]

3D. IMAX.

[Madeline]

Oh, nice.

[Trisha Paytas]

Honestly, I don't really know what we're doing with it. My agent's like, should we record it? And I was like, yeah. So I don't know what we're doing with it. Maybe you'll see it, maybe you won't. But get your tickets. We have new costumes, limited edition merch at each show, new songs at each show. Special guest confirmed for Vegas. Still working on a New York one. Gonna be a vibe. It's gonna be a vibe. So that and also patreon. Patreon.com. trish, we love you over there. We are going. Are we doing our trendy foods today?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so excited. I was talking about Minecraft yesterday. I'm not Love it. I was talking about Minecraft to everyone I could. I'm so. They better still have these Minecraft adult meals if they don't have it because they sell out quickly, these adult so if they don't have it, I'm going to be so disappointed.

[Oscar]

Minecraft is a phenomenon right now and I think they have a special Minecraft sauce or something. Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

I'll try it. I'll eat it all. I don't care. I don't even like sauces. And I'll eat it all. We're going to try the Kardashian crumble. Was there one other thing we were supposed to try?

[Oscar]

I feel like there was another Kardashian thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, there was a third. Do you remember there was a third and I can't remember.

[Oscar]

We're going to have to roll the tapes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Roll the tapes back. Jimmy let us know. Shout out Jimmy. But anyways, patreon.com gestures and shout out Jimmy, who actually probably could teach us Minecraft. We were talking about Cali learning, but he seems to be well versed in Minecraft.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

You said he does like Minecraft.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, he does.

[Oscar]

Yeah. He was texting me about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, wow. He made that group Chat.

[Oscar]

He made an edit of you. He was like, I just spent two hours making this. And I was like, jimmy, you were insane. But it was so worth it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't even know what it meant. I just thought it was cute. And everyone loved it. Everyone getting for it. They're like, this is amazing. And I'm like, okay. It's literally so good. This is the one. Britney Spears one too.

[Oscar]

I know our audio listeners are really missing out on the Jimmy edit. So if you are an audio listener, also check out the video while you're at it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Two hours.

[Oscar]

He spent two hours making this little green screen Minecraft edit of Trisha. And it was. It was everything. It really was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Give yourself a bonus in the invoice this month because that was so good. And I was like. I saw it on Twitter and I saw it was getting traction. I'm like, oh, my God, send me. Then I saw it on his. I was reposting his and I just. I was gagged for it. I don't really know what it meant. Yeah, and I love that he did that. So maybe we should do a Minecraft game with Jimmy next week. Well, I won't be here next week, but the week after that.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love you, Jimmy. He's just so sweet. He's just such a. He always, like, sends me stuff too, like little jokes. There was a joke in the last episode that no one caught. I said something about Justin Bieber.

[Oscar]

Yes, he said that to me too. He's like, you fully missed this. And I was like, how did I miss?

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you miss this? I mean, it's. We talk so much and it's so funny, but he's like, just so you know, I thought this part was funny. I was like, thanks, Jimmy. We love him. Jimmy Wetzel. Check him out everywhere. He really is so, so good. Like, please never, ever quit, because he's amazing. I was just thinking about that. I'm like, if we didn't have him, I'm like, what would we do?

[Oscar]

We didn't know what we would do.

[Trisha Paytas]

We don't know editors and have to find someone. And it just sounds. It sounds crazy, but. Yeah. How are you? You look cute. We're in our cozy era. We're in our black sweatpants era today.

[Oscar]

Yeah, we are.

[Trisha Paytas]

And what's your shirt? What's your dad?

[Oscar]

Oh, it's. It was in the. The Ian Charms. Pr. Honestly, it's nice getting a little PR Here and there. I'm very. Am I a Remy Jo Bader? I guess. Whatever. Whatever. They send me I'll wear.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, she does. Does Remy Joe wear everything?

[Oscar]

Isn't that what you said you would like? This is just the clothes that they sent me. You guys, when she was wearing. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. When she lost all the weight, people were like, wow, you only wear designer now.

[Oscar]

This is just what sends me very me. That's very Oscar energy these days.

[Trisha Paytas]

They should pay you, as our second Ian charms mentioned. I hope you're getting paid for that.

[Oscar]

Well, I mean, you did ask. I guess I could just say I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's true, that's true, that's true. Yeah. I love it, though. I looked like LA or something else. I was like, oh, what is that? You look cool in the denim jacket. How you feeling? Everyone wants an update. Everyone's like, oscar's going through so much, and yet he shows up. And it's so true. And they all want to make sure you're okay. People say I don't ask enough, so I need to keep asking.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I just lie. It really tickles me every time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, well, I want to make sure I'm okay.

[Oscar]

I really am. Every. It was very nice. Everyone's comments and stuff is very sweet because, I don't know, I. Maybe I'm just true chronically online, but I am always afraid, like, if I get vulnerable about, like, you know, it's my dog. I was like, oh, my God, there's gonna be people. Like, there's people dying. The terrorists, girl. You know, I thought in comparison, you know, it is small, I guess, but, you know, it is still. People were very validating and, like, you know, losing a pet is. It is big. It is traumatic, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

People care more about dogs, I think, than humans, really.

[Oscar]

Honestly, I think you're right.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're more sad if, like, something happens to a pet.

[Oscar]

That is true. Problematic but true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, happens.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

But, yeah, I'm doing better, honestly. It was healing, actually talking about it because I. I was, like, internalizing it a lot, trying to get through, but I think talking about it was very nice. So. Yeah, I really appreciate it, everybody.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, your back's better. Getting better? Not really.

[Oscar]

Maybe on the healing journey, I think. Yeah. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Part of the process. Yeah, Part of the healing journey process. Okay, well, I'm glad your sneakers. Everything about you looks very cute today. And I got rest, so I think I feel good today, too. We have a special guest later today in the episode. Harry Daniels is coming by.

[Oscar]

Yes. Our favorite. Honestly, a member of the team at this point.

[Trisha Paytas]

Honorary. He really tries to get us the guests and. Never happens. But we love the.

[Oscar]

We love someone on the front lines, you know, trying. At least that's all you can do.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. He's always supportive. Every time I'm in New York. He's always trying to come to the show, the Broadway show. We didn't really have any, like, control over. I don't know if he came. Did he end up coming? I don't know. We didn't have any control over those tickets. But this one. Hopefully he'll want to come to Radio City. That'd be fun. He's a New York icon, a staple, and he's here in LA today. And Moses with. Is that an Amazon shirt over there?

[Madeline]

Yes.

[Oscar]

Love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

You should put a little Amazon link hyperlink like.

[Oscar]

Like to it or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it.

[Madeline]

Just for. Actually. It's a really great shirt from all of them. It actually fits and soft is beautiful.

[Trisha Paytas]

And so are you.

[Madeline]

What is that they're wearing over there?

[Trisha Paytas]

This is our little Axolotl. We got him. He's originally. This is so crazy. Build a bear. $44 for the stuffed animal, $10 for the hoodie. They resold it on Poshmark for $300.

[Oscar]

Damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

You would take, though, honestly.

[Oscar]

And it was very, very, very limited edition. It is a collector's piece, I will say.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was gagged even before it went viral. And I saw it and I looked right away to see if it was real. I was so gagged and it was sold out so quickly, and I was just like, I need to. Need to have this. And then when I saw that this was like in a plastic and someone actually had it in their hands, it made me really excited. It is pretty cute. This is the little. It's like a little sea creature. Axolotl. Axolotl, yeah. He lives in the ocean.

[Oscar]

Lake, but a lake.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. And they're real or. No, they are real. Okay.

[Madeline]

They look unreal when you see them.

[Trisha Paytas]

You feel like you seen it.

[Madeline]

How is this real?

[Trisha Paytas]

You seen an axolotl?

[Madeline]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So many of them in the lake or what?

[Madeline]

No video.

[Trisha Paytas]

In video.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Like on Tick Tock.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're not legal here, but they're legal other places.

[Oscar]

Yeah, they are not legal in here in like two or three other states, I think, because in California, it's because they could be an invasive species if they breed with another salamander or something. But they are native to Mexico, but they are going extinct in Mexico, weirdly. So they're really only found in captivity or bred as pets, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Oscar]

Yeah. A Little fun animal factoids.

[Trisha Paytas]

So we're saving the animals if you buy an axolotl.

[Oscar]

Honestly. Yeah, kind of. Because they are pretty much instinct. Almost extinct. They only live in one lake in Mexico, but they are going extinct there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where in Mexico?

[Oscar]

I forget where this is.

[Trisha Paytas]

So. Okay. Gotta go find it.

[Oscar]

I don't know if this is a hot topic.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's a hot topic. The axolotls in Minecraft build a bear.

[Oscar]

True.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oscar's fave.

[Oscar]

Because they are only native to this one lake in Mexico, but because the. The government introduced, like, a lot of different. Different fish into this lake so the people could fish and eat those fish. For those fish, those fish are eating the axolotls and taking away their food. So they became endangered and almost extinct in Mexico. So really, they're only found in captivity.

[Trisha Paytas]

So in this case, captivity is good.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Because if they weren't bred as, like, a hobby for, like, a pet, they would probably be, like, extinct, so. Or close to extinction.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sad that animals go extinct. That's so crazy.

[Oscar]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just could be wiped out one day. They're so cute too.

[Oscar]

They are very cute.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. Malibu really wanted this. I had to hide it until the show. I'll give it to her after. But I was like, she keeps looking. She keeps looking for it. She's like, where's the little dinosaur? And I was like, h. I know.

[Madeline]

The lake is called Lake. It starts with so I don't know how you read it, but Soimi Loco.

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah, that sounds nice. And it's even on the. Their money.

[Trisha Paytas]

The ax.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Because it's such an important part of their own culture. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. I had no idea that. And our doctor See me doll, which you can't see, but he's also part. Okay, we love that. Yeah, we love it. Do you notice our organized hallway?

[Oscar]

That was the first thing I noticed. You guys. As soon as I open the door. Damn. Not a box. Not a box to be seen. That was crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I give a lot of credit to my mom. Moses obviously helped too. But, like, my mom came over after the podcast. We were still out to lunch. We came back. My mom, when she hustles, she's, like, pushing boxes everywhere. She's in the garage. She's so intense with it, and she really did do a lot of it. I was trying to organize where stuff needs to go, but she was. She was pushing boxes around, tearing them down. She was. She's a little beast when it comes to that kind of stuff. She loves organized. She know like, every time she comes to our house, she's always just like, I can do it. I can help Moses clean up thing. Like, she really just always wants to, like, organize and clean. I don't know where. I did not get that, but she loves that.

[Oscar]

He certainly didn't.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did not. I know, but Cali.

[Oscar]

Cali's pretty organized, though, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they're super clean. Super organized. They've always, like, cleaned after themselves. They're really good at, like, cleaning floors and toilets, like, all that stuff, and it's just, like, never. I didn't even know. I think I told the story before. I didn't know you how, like, you were supposed to clean toilets until I got my first apartment, and I never cleaned the toilet. And I started getting that ring around it, and someone's like, you need to clean this. I was like, what? Like, I didn't know. I thought they cleaned themselves because of the water. I was like, who cleaned? Not to sound like Holly Osmore, but, like, my mom was like, literally, like, oh, I cleaned the toilets. And I was just like, oh, my gosh. That's so crazy, because I was like, who clean? I didn't know you were supposed to. I had no idea. You're supposed to clean. I did try to learn how to clean. I'm not great at it. It's not to say, like, I'm lazy, but I'm not good. I'm good at cleaning dishes, but I'm not good at cleaning toilets. So. My mom does help. She always comes over and helps, too. Moses is good at cleaning. I'm not so much, but. You good at cleaning?

[Oscar]

I'm pretty good. Certain things. The bathroom.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not really, but the rings around the thing. You have to get special soaps and stuff for that.

[Oscar]

I mean, they. It's not that difficult. I mean, there's just, like. They sell little kits, and then it comes, like, on a little wand. You just kind of scrub. It's pretty, pretty quick.

[Trisha Paytas]

But, yeah, Malibu loves cleaning, too. She'll be cleaning all day. Like, she wants to clean everything. The floors. And I just never really got that gene, but I try. You're good at cleaning. I can't. Like, he doesn't do dishes, but I can do everything else. But. So just floors are hard. Like, everything's hard anyways. But people love to clean.

[Oscar]

I love to vacuum, actually. Fun, fun fact about vacuum.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Oscar]

A lake in Mexico. And love to vacuum. But it is true. I do vacuum pretty, like, five times a day. I think it's fun, but I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Five times a Day.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I will just take that vacuum out and just go around. It's because I have the cats and, like, there's cat hair everywhere, so it drives me crazy. So I'm always vacuuming.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I love a Swiffer.

[Oscar]

You do love a Swiffer, actually. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do it in a routine video or something.

[Oscar]

Yes, you did.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I love it. Especially the ones that shoot out liquid. I do love a Swiffer. Sorry. And I feel like it's, like, relatable, though, to not, like, to clean or. Man, I'm thinking now, people are gonna be like, okay, Trisha. Not much.

[Oscar]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But just for the record, I've always been like this. I've always. Even when I was a stripper. $5. I seriously still didn't know how to clean. And then someone told me I was supposed to clean, and I was like, holy. And you know what? Shout out my mom for always cleaning for us. But also shout out, I should have probably learned to clean, you know, to, like, take care of my apartment. But I do laundry. I'm good. I can do that kind of stuff. You know, there's a throw up. I'm cleaning it. You know what I mean? I can do a lot of that stuff, I think. Trash. No. Anyways, what chores do you like to do?

[Madeline]

Let us know we're back to the Newlyweds episode.

[Oscar]

Oh, ye.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Was there a question about chores? Oh, yeah, and you got it wrong. The chores question.

[Madeline]

Yeah. Because of course, it's taking out the trust. What was it?

[Trisha Paytas]

What was it, though? What did I say?

[Oscar]

You put changing diapers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, right. Like, what chore does your partner hate the most? Yeah, yeah, I'd rather take out.

[Madeline]

No, but it's in the moment. Like, in a year or two, there's gonna be no more diapers, you know? So our. In our entire life, trash is, like, the thing. Even when I didn't live with you, I would come to your house to take the trash.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, right, right. That's true.

[Madeline]

I was thinking of the big picture. You're a being in the moment now.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like I'm gonna get hate for that. I was just like.

[Madeline]

What do you mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't, like, love it. Someone else gave me a little shame for that the other day in real life. They were like, oh, that's not very, like, maternal of you. I was like, just because I don't like to do it doesn't mean I don't do it. Who likes to. Oh, I love changing up. Poopy type. You're like, no one loves it. I don't know. Anyways, this whole segment gets me canceled.

[Oscar]

I relate to that. I mean, with. And with, like, cats or dogs. Like, no one likes to clean up after it. Like, I'll do it if no one else is around.

[Trisha Paytas]

But it's period.

[Oscar]

I. It makes me a little queasy doing it. It makes me uncomfortable.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yeah, also it's.

[Madeline]

It's one of the things I noticed, like, as a parent, there's so much that comes down to coordination, like having really good coordination. So Trisha used to change a lot of the diapers when they were little. But, like, sometimes they just. They think it's a game and they try to, like, oh, my God, they just wiggle their way out of you changing their diaper. And you can close it. So it takes a lot of, like, coordination.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right now I don't have.

[Madeline]

And that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I get frustrated. I'm just like, help.

[Madeline]

No, it is, like, sometimes you have to take them even off the table and try to somehow put the diaper on.

[Trisha Paytas]

So they both love to squirm now, huh?

[Madeline]

Yeah, no, they're like, I think it's a game. And they're rolling around. And so. But used to change a lot when she was younger.

[Trisha Paytas]

Thanks, babe.

[Madeline]

But now you're picking it back up because, I mean.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Madeline]

So now, you know, you go to the bathroom with her and do the whole thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. We love it.

[Madeline]

There's so many listeners that have kids. They do relate.

[Trisha Paytas]

We can't just say one more thing about that. For the kids, it's something like no one ever talks about for parenting. And potty training is like, when you take them to public restrooms, when they have to go to the public restroom. Like, they don't have, obviously, because you don't have, like, the little seats for them. And it's really have to, like, hang on to you. Like, I feel like no one ever talks about this.

[Oscar]

I've never even thought about it, right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I was, like, thinking about when I was a kid, but they literally, like, you kind of have to, like, hold them up. Like, obviously you can put the seats down. My dad used to have me squat on the seat, and I was doing. But now you can put the seat covers down and they kind of, like, have to hold on to you because otherwise they'll fall in. And then the big, loud flush. Sometimes it's automatic. Like, they don't have the thing. So the first time I took Malibu, I just remember her, like, screaming, being so scared of that Big, loud flush. My sister in law told me, here's a little hack. Put a little band aid over that sensor. So that way they don't like, cause them to be, like, scared or anything like that, because those are scary for adults and kids. And I'm like, God, no one really talks about that. Which I guess is like a weird thing to talk about. But, like, I feel like I should talk about more parenting because I'm like, how do the kids go to the bathroom? You know what I mean? But anyways, is that okay?

[Oscar]

Welcome to our parenting.

[Trisha Paytas]

I always think it's, like, so innocent that someone always has to make it weird, but there it is. All right, Hot Topics. We're here. We're here. Do you have anything to say? Nothing.

[Madeline]

I have more to say about that, but I don't have enough to tell you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Your face was so, like. I don't know. I don't know if it was like, cut some things or if you had more to say. You were supposed to say.

[Madeline]

I know. In my mind I thought you were saying we're here and we're queer or something like that. I was just. I was just like. I was just like, sometimes I think about what you're gonna say next.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's a crazy thing to say. Think about what you're gonna say next. Not bad. What's this little guy? Oh, he's from the Rock and Roll Hall.

[Madeline]

He's cute. Yeah, it's Peter. Punk rock over there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Today we're a punk rock kind of podcast. Punk rock.

[Oscar]

Can I tell you about the Hot Topic I'm kind of obsessed with right now, though?

[Trisha Paytas]

Please.

[Oscar]

I'm obsessed with the conspiracy theory about White Lotus fans thinking Amy Lou Wood and Walton Goggins are feuding. Have you dug into them?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, we got into this in not love it yesterday. But it won't air to, like, May.

[Oscar]

So very on brand for.

[Trisha Paytas]

We were so obsessed with White Lotus yesterday, and we were talking about this because of the Walton Goggins pose and all stuff. And I got really into it because I was like, how do people know? They got blocked? Like, how do they know? So let's hear the theory. Because I did get into this and I'm weirdly parasocial with. I guess a lot of people are. I guess it's not just me. I know everyone.

[Oscar]

I feel like on set, dynamics between cast members is always kind of a thing, right? Like, it is interesting. Like the. Don't worry, darling. Harry Styles, Olivia Wilde, Florence Pugh. Obviously it ends with us with Blake and Justin and now White Lotus with, like, thoughts about the cast members feuding. And at first I. When I read about this conspiracy theory, I was like, oh, that's a little ridiculous. But then people are really convincing because they pull up a lot of stuff, and I'm like, damn, maybe y'all are right. So the whole conspiracy theory is that Amy Lou. Amy Lou Wood, who plays Chelsea, and Walton Goggins, who plays Rick, have this weird kind of feud going on. Even though they both speak positively about each other during the press tour and they pose together, fans have noticed that they weren't following each other on Instagram. And people have also speculated that Walton might have blocked Amy Lu Wood because her previous comments are gone from his profile, but his comments still appear on her post.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I was trying to figure out. How do people. Why do people think he blocked her? Because I was like, why don't they just unfollow each other or something? Because they did follow each other. Now they don't follow each other.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the blocking means. Because her comments don't appear on his post.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, they're so good. The Internet.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

So good.

[Oscar]

And people were saying, well, maybe it's because she deactivated her account for a little bit pre, like, the White Lotus coming out. So maybe it was like the glitch, kind of like the Hailey Bieber not following Justin Bieber thing. But it is still kind of weird because it's been a while, so. And they, like, are posting photos of each other, so why wouldn't you have fixed the follow? And also, she's following his glasses account, but she's the Walton Goggins goggles.

[Trisha Paytas]

They haven't come in. I was hoping they'd be in for today.

[Oscar]

So it was quite odd because after the finale, Walton posted a lot of photos about her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, 18 photos.

[Oscar]

18 photos? Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's like, behind the scenes. So it's not even just like their characters. It's like, no, this is. This is Walton and Amy filming in Thailand behind the scenes, hugging each other. Yes.

[Oscar]

And they tag and they tag the other cast members whenever they post behind the scenes, but they don't tag each other. And they both posted, like, photo dumps after the finale. And they both use the same Fleetwood Mac song, Silver Springs.

[Trisha Paytas]

And what does that mean? Because I saw a lot of people say that. Is that, like, a romantic song? What does that mean?

[Oscar]

I think people are. Because basically, the big. The speculation is, I don't know if there's literally any kind of truth to this at all. But this conspiracy is that they had some kind of affair or something and that this could be like a connection that they had with this song.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's. That's crazy though. But like, if you had the affair and then now you regret it and block it, why would you use the song? That's so weird.

[Oscar]

Exactly. So it is. That's kind of weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

A little crazy theory.

[Oscar]

But all this was kind of picked up because Jason Isaacs, who plays Tim.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nutliff, he's always the problematic. What is he? Is he in his 60s? And he is just drama.

[Oscar]

Little messy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Messy. He was talking about how there was drama on set. I was like, can we just like, relax?

[Oscar]

Yes. And Isaacs, because he did an interview with Vulture and he said some people got very close. They were friendships that were made and friendships that were lost.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

They say in the show what happens in Thailand stays in Thailand. But there is an off screen White Lotus as well, with fewer deaths but just as much drama.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar]

I became very close to some people and feel less close to others, but we still all have that experience together and there's a certain level of discretion required.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Channel.

[Oscar]

And then he did another interview after that with the New York Times where they did like a follow up about the drama. And he said, obviously people form friendships, but we weren't one great big homogeneous, happy family. It was a large group of people away from home, unanchored from their normal lives. I'm not going to break ranks and say who did what to whom, but it certainly wasn't a holiday. So what?

[Trisha Paytas]

You're doing worse by not saying you're like. Because if it's something so innocent, everyone's just gonna like, speculate.

[Oscar]

Like what? Because it really could be just like maybe some people weren't getting along because Walton Goggins isn't following Amy Lewood, like I said. But he's also not following Jason Isaacs or Parker Posey. So maybe it's something between, you know, Walton and those two. I don't know. Amy is just not following Walton Goggins.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's only one.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. So. And he wasn't at the White Lotus.

[Oscar]

Down the street, and he wasn't at the finale event. And neither was Michelle Monahan, who plays Jackie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, what does that mean? Where she die into this.

[Oscar]

So people think maybe there's drama there too. I don't know. But his defense, Walton said that he was very much like to himself in Thailand. I think he opened up about like after his wife unalived Herself in early, like 2002 that he had a similar journey of going to Thailand and feeling lost. So maybe that also has something to do with it. Like, oh, my gosh, maybe wasn't part of the cast or whatever. So maybe. And also his character is kind of like in a lone wolf, so maybe he didn't want to get too.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I would think. Like, I don't know if you're like method acting and that kind of stuff, maybe you don't want to, like, bond with the other cast members. He also just seems like someone to himself. He's also like, I don't know the other ones if they're married or not, but, like, I just know he's like, been married for a long time to his wife now. So maybe he's just like, I don't know. I wonder if his family. I wonder if their families come. I always think about that because the guy who was the cute one in season two, not the, like, really hot one that everyone thinks, but the other one, the one that Theo James.

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He like, brought his wife and like, he had like a six month old at the time and brought them over. So I always wonder if they like bring over their families or they just like, leave them.

[Oscar]

I think so because Amylou Wood was talking about bringing her friend out, but she was like, we don't really go out because we burn too easy. So. Yeah. She said we only would go to the beach, like towards sunset.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh.

[Oscar]

So I think they did bring, like, friends and stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Their stories, because it always seem okay. So they would. Yeah. I wonder. So you always wonder if they could bring. Because if I run my family, I'd probably isolated you. But then I guess, like, part of it. I don't know. I've never been on a set. But you probably want to bond with people on the side. How that works, I don't know.

[Oscar]

Yeah, Especially it's so long, eight months. Like, that is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You have time to bond and have your family, I suppose.

[Oscar]

Sam, who plays Lachlan, said even that that one episode where they were on the boat before, like the big full moon party or whatever, he said that episode took a whole month to film. A month? Filming that episode on the boat.

[Trisha Paytas]

How?

[Oscar]

I don't know. So if you're like on the boat, stuck with people for like a month, like, full workday, stuck on a boat a month.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Titanic, all the Titanic sinking took a week. So I was like, how did that take a month? And that was people sliding down, going in the freezing cold water on the boat. Like, I don't.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I know, because they were just kind of hanging out on the. On the boat. Right. But I'm really curious about the working dynamic of this. I mean, it works. It's such a good show.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I have a feeling, like, Mike White just wants to, like, hang out, really take our time, because, like, what do you mean? That takes a month? That's so crazy.

[Oscar]

I'm so fascinated, though, by, like, the behind the scenes of it, because then also, I'm like, White is kind of being very open about, like, feuding with the composer.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was he on Howard Stern?

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of hate that people go on Howard Stern anymore. Like, isn't he. I'm sorry. When you talk about problematics, it's like, I guess. I guess, whatever. I guess I should have forgiveness. You know what I'm learning that you're right. If I hold people to their past, I need to be. But. But the difference is Howard Stern has never apologized for calling women fat. You know what I mean? Like, I think he needs to have, like, accountability before he dies. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's not fair that people can just go on. I get it. He's big and whatever like that. And I love that he's like, okay, liberal now. We love it. Feminist, great. But, like, acknowledge that you were person for so many years, including my formative years where I thought, like, I had to write a sibyen to get a man's attention. You know what I. Or I had to be so skinny and perfect, if I didn't have fake boobs, Howard Stern wouldn't like me. So I feel like he has to apologize to a big generation of millennials out there. But Mike White was on there talking about the composer of. Which is crazy. Did you hear what it was supposed to be and what Mike White said no to?

[Oscar]

No, I didn't hear what the. Oh, wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it's real. You know me. I can honestly.

[Oscar]

Yeah, you do be falling for a lot of things.

[Trisha Paytas]

But it sounded good. Like, it sounded like more like the original ones, but a little bit different. It sounded. Oh, man, I wish. I wish I could find it. I should have sent it to you. But it sounded, like, really good. And he, like, this is the one that Mike White, like, said no to. Oh, and so they just, like. Because it had more of that. That weird sound in it. Yeah, I guess he said he was just mad that he, like, which I kind of agree with Mike White. If you wait until, like, the finale is about to air, and then you, like, try and drop some, like, lore that makes someone look bad. I think that is a little. It was almost like. It's like, the timing of things. Right. It's like Eden Slater's wife, like, granted, she can tell her story and obviously, like, he was a person, do what he did, but it is like, you know, when the wicked hype is happening, to drop the expose. I get it. I mean, yeah. I mean, if you're hurt, but waiting for that is, like, kind of crazy. Like, let's wait until it comes out and it's like a big movie and then talk about it. I don't know.

[Oscar]

I don't. I think for the White Lotus in particular, it was a little bit more. I think the intention was a little bit more devious because I think he, the composer did have, like, an agenda against Mike White and wanted to make him look bad. You know, Ethan Slater's White X. I. I don't. I feel like maybe he was just. It was just everywhere, so it was hard to see, like, it was showing her face. But I think with the composer, he definitely had it out. Yes. Because you can. They were just having such created differences in the way they talked about each other. You can tell that he was, like, annoyed with Mike White, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

But Mike White's like, I just gave some notes, which I also kind of understand that side. There's been times where people. I'm like, really nice. And then the minute you turn, like, a little bit, like. Like a little aggressive towards someone or you, like, really want to make your point across, they're like, damn, okay. Like, someone's in a bad mood today. It's just like, all I said was I didn't want this. You know what I mean? And it can, like, come across. So I could understand that, too. We have to see the emails. I think the emails.

[Harry Daniels]

True.

[Trisha Paytas]

So let's see what you actually wrote.

[Oscar]

It's like, his to me. I'm like, well, it is his show, it is his concept. So, like, wouldn't you. Yeah. To, like, you know, collab, collaborate. But sometimes creative people get so, like. Like, possessive of what they're doing, because.

[Madeline]

That'S their art, that's their craft, and they don't want to just.

[Trisha Paytas]

Especially when it's like, your show that you created.

[Oscar]

Yeah. But I think for season three, the score was really good. Like, yeah. Especially throughout the finale. Like, it. Whatever changes they made, it was like, so. There was so much tension, and it was so good.

[Trisha Paytas]

So we said that from the beginning, and the music was, like, always, like, the best part, when it was, like, slow at the beginning. Like, the music was such a good part.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe they'll get back together. Maybe there's, like, a little PR move.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Because they obviously work well. The end result is good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Despite the process being theme songs go viral. Like, the first two theme songs every year on Tick Tock would go viral. Like, people were like, it's in our head. We love it. So, yeah. I'm surprised my boy didn't interview, because he doesn't. Right. He doesn't do press.

[Oscar]

I think he's kind of specific about what he does because he's done, like, a couple random podcasts and stuff, too. Oh, really? Yeah. And they. Even with, like, the White Lotus, like, the show in general, they do very, like, specific, random press.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, so random.

[Oscar]

Yeah, like, very. A lot of prints, like the Hollywood Reporter and even, like. Yeah, so. But even the Hollywood Reporter, like, that photo shoot. Walton Goggins and Jason Isaacs were in separate, like, groups of the COVID So I was like, oh, I think Jason.

[Trisha Paytas]

Isaacs is the problem. He seems problematic and everything. I think Walton's to himself. This is just literally me. I have no idea. It's just random. I feel like he's. He's to himself. He has a wife. He has, like, he. Like you said, he had a. He had a first wife that, like, unalived herself. He went to Thailand, so he's, like, going through a lot there. His character, he has to mentally be in that space. The photo dump was odd. It is a weird one to do. Like, if you're not following each other and you're in a weird place. Whether you're in a weird place or a good place. I think the photo dump is odd either way because, like, you are married. I get, like, having an homage to your character. But his was, like, a long. It's like something I'd write to Moses on Valentine's Day. Like, oh, my God, this is the truth. True love story, together forever. Like, just like. I was like, okay. Like, damn.

[Oscar]

You know, to his defense. So. And I just learned this because his fans were giving, like, the background. Like, he does that, I guess, with every project. Yes. Because I. He did, like, I think an Architectural Digest or whatever. You know, the house tour thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar]

And he even, like, his. The. His last co star, he even had. And it was a guy. It was. He just got so attached to him and wrote about him as if he was, like, in love with them just because he was so passionate and even had Like, a frame photo of them, like, in his family. Like, gallery wall in his house. So I think he's just very intense with his roles, you know, So I think that's his kind of his style from. But obviously, because it's a young girl who is, like, plays as love interest. I sure. People.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that'd be crazy if you hung that in his house. Be like, this is. This is me, and. You know what I mean? Even like, yeah, like, at least she.

[Madeline]

Has me cosplay them. You know, the. Like, we have all those pictures, but I'm playing all those.

[Trisha Paytas]

Could you imagine? I just, like, hang up me and Bo and Yang in the front, like, foyer. Just from snl. Be like, here we are. And I was, like, so in love with him. You know what I mean? That'd be, like, weird. I don't know. It's like, weird. I did write a little love letter, I guess, to him, but I try to keep it cute, like, you know what I mean? Because you just. I don't know. It's a little. Okay. But I like, that's his thing. That's his thing. He's an artist. I guess he just felt the passion. They were cute together. Not gonna lie.

[Oscar]

And people were also speculating that it was odd that his wife was with him at the Righteous Gemstones premiere, but he was. She was not with him at the.

[Trisha Paytas]

White Lotus premiere, which is a big one. Yeah, I'm going to that White Lotus premiere.

[Oscar]

That's gonna happen. And then obviously, he missed the big finale event. So there are some odd things. I. I feel like the conspiracy theory is probably more interesting than what actually for sure, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

But I don't know, because I think.

[Oscar]

Jason Isaacs is really messy.

[Trisha Paytas]

We need him on the podcast. Why are you so messy, sir? What's going on in your life? Like, I need to know, because just.

[Oscar]

Giving this of, like, your own. All this information and, like, drama of your own free will is so wild. But maybe it's because he's British. Is he just, like, you know, blunts, I guess. Are they just really blunt?

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess it is crazy. He was British. That is wild. Like, what a weird casting for that role.

[Oscar]

Well, I guess even Amy Lou, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, she was. But she was British on the show, right? Yeah, because the girls never talk. Like, Leslie Bibb never gives an interview or anything like that. Right. We never hear from Carrie.

[Oscar]

Okay. Carrie Coon did interviews, but nothing ever, like. Yeah, to, like, that implied there was all this kind of drama or anything either.

[Trisha Paytas]

So funny. The last person you would think that would talk about the drama on there on a set.

[Oscar]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because NDAs.

[Oscar]

Yeah. It's so odd. Yeah. I don't know. But, yeah, it's. It's funny how I think the White Lotus also just so big now, too, that everyone's, like, really, like, obsessed with.

[Trisha Paytas]

The background of it all.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I wonder how long it'll last. It really is nothing else going on in the.

[Trisha Paytas]

In it goes so quick. Like everything in the new circuit. It is funny how, like, quickly we forget. Like, you become obsessed, then we forget, and then something else like you or something will come along.

[Oscar]

You is really on the horizon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Which, like, it doesn't even seem like it could compare at this point. I'm like, oh, my God, no, it's not gonna even be a White Lotus. But you is pretty big. So I feel like that would be.

[Madeline]

Like Bridgerton, you know, like, you're so in it when it happens. And now I never think about it until.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're so right. We were so obsessed with Bridget. I do think about Bridgerton on the Daily, though. I think about it quite often, but. But yeah, when it came out, it was so big.

[Oscar]

And Megan Fahey, who is from season two, she has a movie coming out, so I hope people remember and, like, want to go see it. Airdrop.

[Trisha Paytas]

My makeup artist was at the premiere last night.

[Oscar]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Chinese theater. Did you get invited?

[Oscar]

No, I don't. They haven't checked my business email, so maybe.

[Trisha Paytas]

But he said he was there and I looked up the cast because he was telling me, and someone gets airdropped. Something dubious. Suspense and tales. And I looked it up and I was like, oh, it's good.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I love Megan Tahy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love her. But, like, like, the movie concept is crazy.

[Oscar]

I love it. It's kind of like a camp concept. But the reviews about it are really good. Yeah, it's kind of like. It's horror ish. Like scream camp.

[Harry Daniels]

Like.

[Oscar]

Okay, camp. How in the way that Scream was so. Or like, I know what you did last summer. It gives me kind of that vibe.

[Trisha Paytas]

That'S coming back to. Both of them are coming back. Right.

[Oscar]

Yeah, you're right. I know what you did last summer is in July this year. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are they filming it now?

[Oscar]

I think they've wrapped already.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. Because I saw photos of, like, Freddie Prinze and, like.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Sarah Michelle Yeller. Yeah. Madeline Klein.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is she a new one?

[Oscar]

I think the main girl in it. Yeah. She's from Outer Banks.

[Trisha Paytas]

I never see that one. I didn't See it.

[Oscar]

Honestly, I've only saw season one. You know, I just live for just like a cute, beautiful, blonde, perfect girl. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, I have to watch. I don't know her. That's so weird. I usually would know these people.

[Oscar]

I just live for her. I don't know. The show's not really my vibe. It's kind of. I mean, girls love it, but it is a little bro y for my taste, personally.

[Trisha Paytas]

I always just remember Toddy and Scotty from the vlog squad. It was not banks.

[Oscar]

That makes sense.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, he redid a whole series of otter banks. Like, they try to recreate it. I was like, this is weird.

[Oscar]

That seems very much, like, on brand.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's why I was always like, no, no, I don't need to watch that.

[Oscar]

I love Madeline Clyde.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, well, I watch it for that. And you said the guy from It Ends with us is in it too.

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Brandon. Yeah. Brandon's glner. Whatever his name is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Watch it. Streaming or is it airdrop?

[Oscar]

I mean, airdrop.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Oscar]

No, I think it's in theaters this weekend. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I'm very excited for it. Since I saw the trailer, I'm like, this looks like fun.

[Trisha Paytas]

God, there's so many things I want to see in theaters.

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah. You're falling behind.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I think I'll see Minecraft before I see that.

[Oscar]

Yeah, probably.

[Trisha Paytas]

I gotta see Minecraft. I gotta know what it's about.

[Oscar]

By the time you see it, like, everyone would have moved on. It'll be like Jurassic Park.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. We'll cosplay it in the summer.

[Oscar]

Like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Finally got my Axolotl costume. Don't worry. I know I need to see it.

[Madeline]

Well, you can cosplay it. You just come. I'm Steve. You can.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who's Steve? That's crazy. Who is Steve?

[Oscar]

Steve? Good question.

[Trisha Paytas]

You didn't make that up.

[Madeline]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know Steve from Minecraft.

[Madeline]

I think that's what. Jake Black.

[Oscar]

That's Jack Black's character. Yeah. I don't know the lore.

[Madeline]

You just put a beard. What is a blue shirt?

[Oscar]

Yeah, the blue shirt.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I'd probably be a better cosplay at that than you. It could be Jason Momoa.

[Oscar]

But Jason Momoa wears pink, so isn't that better for you?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, he does. In the. In the show.

[Oscar]

In the movie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I saw their, like, pr. They were wearing, like, crochet things.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, why does he wear pink? Is he, like, part of the Axolotl?

[Oscar]

I have no idea what the costuming Decision was. But he wears a pink jacket down.

[Trisha Paytas]

Done and done. I would love. Oh, my God. I love that.

[Madeline]

For him, the crochet was a gift from Jason Momoa to Jack.

[Trisha Paytas]

How do you know that?

[Madeline]

Because that's what Jack Black said.

[Trisha Paytas]

He said that you said Jason Momoa.

[Madeline]

Made and it was huge on him. I think it was kind of a.

[Trisha Paytas]

Funny gag because it was huge on Jack Black.

[Madeline]

Yeah. But that was like, like long. Like.

[Trisha Paytas]

But that's why I consider on Jason Momoa's part because he probably like, oh, he wants something oversized. I don't know.

[Oscar]

That's his style anyways.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. 3x everything. I always feel like Jack Black when I wear oversized things. Today was my Jack Black day with sweatpants. And I love. I love an oversized outfit. Like, it just makes you feel skinny. Like, I always wear 3x everything cuz I'm like, oh, I'm so tiny.

[Oscar]

It is the perfect life hack.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I always go up a size. I remember as a kid I always would like, I would buy sizes too small for me. I try and squeeze into like mediums or like tens and it's like. But then you look crazy comfortable all day. Too comfortable. No one knows the tag size. And then the minute I started buying for my size, I was like, wow, it's kind of life changing.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Buy your size. It's a little life hack. Yeah. The White Lotus drama is everywhere, but I think people won't care in like a week. I am excited. I love when they announced the cast. I remember when they announced the season three cast and I remember being like, ugh, I don't know any of these people. But then.

[Oscar]

I know. Me too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they're gonna cast because, like, we were talking too. It's like, it can't be like a list. It's got to be something.

[Oscar]

Yeah. But now it's such a hot show that, like, you know, those a list actors are like, let me get in there.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, I really do think. I know we love Jack Black. I really think Jack Black because they work together. We looked up Mike White White's resume. He did natural libre too. Oh, he did not show libre Libre. He wrote School of Rock. He did Despicable Me 4. We were looking at the whole lore of him yesterday. Yeah, he like wrote a bunch of stuff so I didn't know he was.

[Oscar]

On the Amazing Race.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, wait, we didn't talk about this. Someone told me him and his dad were on there.

[Oscar]

Yeah, him and his dad were on there. I knew. I watched him on Survivor. But I didn't know he's on the Amazing Race. I love that he is a reality show diva. He loves that is the secrets writing like good characters.

[Trisha Paytas]

Didn't he say that on the Howard Stern show too? Is like, he's like, I just watch reality tv. Like, I don't like the drama or something.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And how he thinks some people, like, write him off because he, like, he thought the composer was. Didn't take him serious because he just, like watched a lot of reality tv. Like it's below.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a wild take. Because, like, you've written all these movies and White Lotus, I think people take you pretty seriously.

[Madeline]

But yeah, I mean, he has a good format for reality tv.

[Oscar]

True.

[Madeline]

The White Lotus, it's kind of like a combination between the Real Housewife of Beverly Hills and Big Brother.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah.

[Madeline]

Like, you put fancy people in a hotel.

[Trisha Paytas]

People are nominating a lot of the Desperate Housewives, like Marcia Crossing, to be honest.

[Oscar]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Trisha Paytas]

That'd be really good, actually, because she's good on all this stuff.

[Oscar]

But I feel like the secret is doing unexpected people. So if I were Mike White, I would look at the list and be like, no, wait, I need my phone.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can I get my phone? This is relevant to the thing. Sorry. This is like really important. It's not that important, but it's important to me and I need to thank you. I would never ask you to get up. Would give me my phone.

[Madeline]

Is it another schemes order?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I still can't order it on my computer either. I can't because I wanted to get the black dress too. I think I'm blocked. I think my IP or whatever. Is it ip? I don't know. What is it? When they can like verify who you are?

[Oscar]

IP address.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that what it is? Like, you know, when you're anonymous, but like, we can find you through the ip. Oh, I didn't know that. Okay. Okay. This account has 9.4 million bustle. Do we know Bustle?

[Oscar]

Yeah, they're like a publication.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, is it like print or is it just.

[Oscar]

I think they're just digital.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. They had the people they want to see on White Lotus.

[Oscar]

Are you on there?

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

How are you gonna find it, though? Okay, let me see. Hold on. Wait. It's so important to me. And I responded. I'm like, thank you so much. Oh, and they wrote manifesting number six was Trisha Paytas. So it says manifesting it for you. Thank you. Bustle 9.4. But let me see who else was on here, because I Like, loved it. How do I get to this thing?

[Oscar]

Can you click the pose?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, see? Oh, wow. Okay, here's who we want to see in the white lotus season four. Yeah. Oh, right away, I was like, Brenda's song. Lindsay lohan.

[Oscar]

Oh, Lindsay lohan. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Absolutely. Okay, so number one was Brenda song. Makes sense.

[Oscar]

Genius. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love her song. I love her, too. Two was gabby Wendy, which we also love. Oh, yeah. Gabby wendy would be amazing. Three, Stanley tucci. He's in everything, so you might as well put him in white lotus for Lindsay lohan. I mean, that's the comeback. We need number five, Colman Domingo. Do we know him? What's he from?

[Oscar]

He is a. He just did a movie called sing sing, but he's gay, so we love.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, absolutely. Yes. We need that number six, Trisha Baytis.

[Oscar]

Right under Colman Domingo.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was also looking that getty image from my Broadway show. My getty images are popping these days. Okay, that was how far you've come.

[Oscar]

Get the images.

[Trisha Paytas]

But then look at number seven, Kyle McLaughlin. Have we not been championing him for if I got on white lotus with Kyle mcclough, Like, watch out. Okay.

[Oscar]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Amy Lou.

[Oscar]

Amy lou. And waltz.

[Trisha Paytas]

My post. My love post. I loved you since the beginning. I mean, my husband cosplay you. How many times have you cosplayed him? You did showgirls. You did Orson from desperate housewives flint. Like, you've done him so many times. Like, I am obsessed with him. You can catchll.

[Oscar]

Oh, love. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Elaine Hendrix would be good. Number nine.

[Oscar]

Yeah. From parent trap.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. How many are there? I don't know. Oh, Jeff goldblum.

[Oscar]

Also kind of in everything, though, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Also maybe too big for it, you.

[Madeline]

Know, unless he's the hotel manager.

[Oscar]

Oh, that's actually kind of subversive.

[Madeline]

He has that. That.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but it's usually from the country they're from. You know, like, Italy. Well, I guess. Yeah, maybe just Italy. I don't know. Jeremy strong. Do we know him?

[Oscar]

He's from succession, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. Kelly Rutherford. She looks familiar.

[Oscar]

She's from gossip girl. Oh, she's Blake lively's mom and gossip girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, she looks like from something else, too. Okay, how many are there? Oh, my God. Wait, there's a lot. Okay. Oh, there's only. Okay, there's only a few more. Max Greenfield. Do we know him?

[Oscar]

He's from new girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Look at you, pop culture expert. Feel like we're on a trivia show right now. That's crazy. Kristen Wiig.

[Oscar]

We Love her. Well, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

She looks. She looks like White Lotus there, for sure.

[Madeline]

Well, she had. She had that show that we watched.

[Oscar]

Oh, Palm Royale.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Oh, that's giving.

[Madeline]

That was giving.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was trying to be White Lotus for sure. I think Leslie Bibb was on that too, actually. And then finally the Rose family from Schitt's Creek, which is kind of true because we would love to see all of them go.

[Madeline]

Well, they have a hotel, so it should happen over there.

[Oscar]

Yeah. A little crossover.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it's having four seasons, but maybe they get their money back. But Moira Parker Posey was giving Moira a lot. You know what I mean?

[Madeline]

I think that was the blueprint for her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I love the blueprint. Yes. That's so random. You know, like, sometimes you're just like, how do people think of me? Like, it's weird.

[Oscar]

Young Gen Z gay over there somewhere petitioning for you to be on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Honestly. Yeah. That's like, the person that interviewed me at People, too, was, like, a young gay, and I was like, I love it. He's like, I so apologize for anyone before me. People's kind of sad, though. They post, like, really sad things a lot.

[Oscar]

People covers a lot because they cover celebrity news, entertainment news, but they also do, like, human interest stories and true crime and stuff like that. They just cover a lot of beats. Well, you kind of segged me up. Seg me up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Psych me up.

[Oscar]

Perfect segue to. I had a Gabby Wendy Hot Topic. Really? Randomly. Did you see her little Scandalo? It was pretty. Yeah. Moses is on.

[Madeline]

How did you not see Gabby's Hot Topic?

[Trisha Paytas]

Gabby's Hot Topic. Or like, she said it, she's feuding.

[Madeline]

With the guy from the Bachelor, and they're going back and forth from the Bachelor.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought she was tweeting with Michael Buble. Is that different?

[Oscar]

Different.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Because she's like, I hate Michael Buble. He. I. Dancing with the Stars. I was like, granted, we all hate Michael Buble, but I was like, damn.

[Madeline]

Does he do Christmas songs?

[Trisha Paytas]

He just seems. He seems dubious. Like, I just know there's a ton of stories about Michael Buble that are like, okay, what is. What is this one? Who's the guy from the Bachelor? Which one?

[Oscar]

Clayton Ed Chard. He was the. I. I don't go here, y'all. So I'm not Bachelor Nation. I haven't checked in for a Bachelor season in quite some time. I am a. A gaggy. I am a gaggy enthusiast, though. Love that girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yep.

[Oscar]

So I had to, like, look into the lore a little bit. So I know a little bit about their lore. But Gabby was one of the contestants on Clayton's season of the Bachelor before she was the Bachelorette. And anyway, she was on Las Culturistas and she was. Oh, yeah. Well, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

What an icon. Oh, my God. They've had, like, Lady Gaga, Ariana, Mariah, icon Gabby. Wendy love that period.

[Oscar]

And she was talking about her Clayton, and she called him a, quote, toe looking unquote, and said that he posts these, like, dancing videos to his Instagram and TikTok. And she said that his dancing videos would make a person run and wish you didn't have eyes. So Clayton responded by saying. By calling out Gabby, saying, bullying people for their physical looks and their passions is completely unnecessary. And behavior like this needs to be called out so that hopefully it isn't continued. You have a massive platform and influence, Gabby, so I hope you can reflect upon this moment and be better going forward. Gabby, what you're doing is bullying. There is no other way around it. Attacking. You're attacking me for my physical appearance. You're attacking me for my passion that I love that's changed my life. It's unnecessary and it's not funny now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Okay.

[Oscar]

It was a little intense.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was just a little. The comment was the toe looking part was.

[Oscar]

But granted.

[Trisha Paytas]

So toes are.

[Madeline]

And the dancing.

[Oscar]

And the dancing and the dancing. Which.

[Madeline]

Okay, I'm like, he's on TikTok doing dances.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Is he bad or is he good?

[Oscar]

He's fine. It's like, I think this is the context. Is a girl talking about her ex boyfriend who did her dirty.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, this is who won her bachelor or was on her.

[Oscar]

She was the final three with Clayton on his back. Yes. And the lore for their season is that there was no his three final girls. He had them all at the rose ceremonies together. Told him. Told them that he was in love with all of them. He told them to their face that he had sex with all of them. Like, without their consent to say that. So he sat there, he said, I. He said that he had sex with all of them as they were standing there on this row ceremony awkwardly.

[Trisha Paytas]

How did he say it? That's crazy. He said, I had sex with all of you guys.

[Oscar]

He said that he was intimate with all of them. Yeah. As they're all standing there together, like.

[Madeline]

Surprising them live on air.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Madeline]

Like, he said it in public on air. That's the first time they heard about it. That's the first time.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that is kind of a wild Thing to say. That's crazy.

[Oscar]

And they were just had. They just had to stand there during this, like, really long and awkward rose ceremony as he was going on and on. And then afterwards, he begged each of them to stay, made them meet his family just a day or two after this rose ceremony, and then decided to throw them a new one by breaking up with them at the same time. He broke up with Gabby, and I forget the other girl's name, but you know how her season was the two Bachelorette. Because they were the two that got dumped by Clayton, all weirdly, but he, like, was really stringing them along. He made it. Obviously, that's the nature of the Bachelor. You know, you date a lot of people, you fall in love with people, but he really strung them along and made it a lot more traumatic than it needed to be.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just feel like they should be having sex with the people if they're not. Like, like, especially all of them. Okay, I can see. Okay, maybe there's two. I don't know. Let's test it out.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What are the two, but all three of them, and then you jump two of them at the same time, and.

[Oscar]

Then you just drop that bomb in front of all of them without, like, their consent to even say it.

[Trisha Paytas]

He apologized to her.

[Oscar]

No, he has. After the show. He has since gone on a mental health journey, if you will. He got really into wellness and all of that. But, like, if that's your ex and you did her dirty, obviously she. It's. To me, it was more like girl venting about her ex boyfriend. And granted Clayton is a 6, 5, white, like, college football player, he is very conventionally attractive. So it's not like she was punching down.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. It's not like me calling an ex boyfriend a toe looking. You look like a toe.

[Oscar]

Yeah, he's like a model, you know, so it's like, it's not like she's punching down. Obviously, she was attracted to him at one point. That's why she was on the show and, like, slept with him and everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, yeah, he did get a little crazy to be like, that's not okay. You're bullying. Bullying is crazy because, like, relentlessly being, like, toe looking ugly, like, that's like, just over and over saying it.

[Oscar]

It's like, obviously he's attractive. Every. I think the word bullying, like, I. I'm more concerned about the kids in school who are being bullied for the color of their skin or their sexuality. Like, that. To me, bullying is just such an intense word. So to say this Is boring. I'm like, it's just a girl talking because you did her dirty.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Which I totally get and love. But I do think a good rule of thumb is to like, oh, my God, ignoring an ex is just the best. You know what I mean? Especially Gabby, who's thriving. Like, obviously, say whatever you want, because I'm all about it too. Like, drag an ex all day long. But I do love when I can taking a high road. You know what I mean? Because then it's like, I don't even think about you. You know, as Justin Bieber says, like, I didn't want to write this song.

[Oscar]

Justin Bieber.

[Trisha Paytas]

The one side I don't want anyone thinking I care when I still don't, you know? And that's period on that. So I'm definitely team Gabby, obviously.

[Oscar]

Yeah, me too.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, and she wants to call you a toe. You're a toe. Because you put out her business, her sexual business on air. You dumped her struggling along and just.

[Oscar]

Made that experience worse than it had to be for her.

[Trisha Paytas]

So like I said, I should support any girl that wants to, like, drag their awful ex. Do it all day long. But sometimes it does feel better when you're like. Especially when you're succeeding and thriving. Like, I think when I was like, like, she has. This is like her moment. Clearly she's number two on the list for White Lotus number six. So it's like, this is your moment. Just keep going. And then that ex will ever would be like, damn. Honestly too.

[Oscar]

Because I also didn't know about him until I had to go look him up to get the lore.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

But it was crazy, though, because the. The Bachelor nation was very much pro. Clayton. I was like, y'all, what? Like, I feel like we lost the plot.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're toxic. Bachelor Nation toxic. I think they favor men. I don't really know much about, but see to favor men. Because the season we started, Moses just left. But the season was. Who was the one we like? He would have. Did not like him. He was, like, kind of dumb. Do you remember? He was, like, good looking, but kind of dumb. Just kind of like white with, like.

[Oscar]

You're describing pretty much 95% of every Bachelor contestant that's been on the program.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. He was really boring. But we watched that whole season or whatever. But he did the same thing. He, like, said, I had sex with you in the fantasy suite. Just something so random and so weird. And I was like. And then he, like, broke up with her. And the person he didn't have sex with. He ended up picking. I was like, you are weird. And then the Bachelor nation was behind him and supported him. I'm like, toxic, toxic, toxic. I don't like it. I don't like those shows. We kind of stopped watching, too. I kind of liked it. Kind of thought it was funny. And I'm like, this kind of feels like a humiliation kink or something. I don't know. It's kind of weird.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I was into it for a bit, I think. For me, I just got very, I think, kind of repetitive, you know, because it is kind of the same. It's like, literally, like the same format, the same, like, archetype, same tropes over and over again. And there's so many seasons.

[Trisha Paytas]

The guys always have to strip every episode. Like, every. There's always a competition where the guys are strippers. Then there's a competition where the women are. Oh, did you see that? The Bachelor. What's the Golden Bachelor is doing? They're gonna be going to paradise. Some of the old Golden Bachelor people that didn't make it, they get to go to paradise to find each other.

[Oscar]

Like, are the oldies segregated from the young. The young ones, or what? Or are they intermingled?

[Trisha Paytas]

I would hope. That'd be so weird. Like, they're dating, like, the young one.

[Oscar]

Yeah, the steamer.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think they're doing their own.

[Harry Daniels]

Okay.

[Oscar]

Okay. That makes more sense, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, that would be weird. Yeah. But I like that second chance at love.

[Oscar]

That. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wonder how the second couple did on Golden Bachelor. You never hear anything about Joanne.

[Madeline]

Yeah, that should be called, like, more like Heaven Island.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's a knot. What? Just popped it. I mean, we're all going to, I guess, one day, but. Yeah, they should do a celebrity Bachelor. Have they ever done that?

[Oscar]

I don't think so. Not. And, like, I guess, like a flavor of love or like, that is kind of the tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I don't like Bachelor. We stopped watching it.

[Oscar]

I had one more Bachelor related topic, and not because I like the Bachelor, because I thought the idea was interesting. And I do remember Caitlin. Caitlin Bristow. She was on a season I watched. I forget which one. But she got backlash because she called out her ex from the show, Jason Tardick, because he took her baby name for his pet dog.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I hate that.

[Oscar]

Okay, so you're on.

[Trisha Paytas]

Someone was like, oh, we're naming our dog Elvis and I. No, you're not.

[Oscar]

Always someone, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, someone's like, oh, we're gonna. I think they Even, like, asked my mom, like, oh, is that. Are they, like, sat on Elvis? Because we were gonna. You know, we're about to name our dog that. I was like, like, elvis has been my baby name since I was, like, a little kid. I was like, no, you're not taking that as your dog's name. That is so annoying. Okay.

[Oscar]

Because everyone was like, I feel like the majority of the Internet was against her. I was kind of on her side.

[Trisha Paytas]

Too, a little bit. No, that's weird. That's crazy. Especially an ex, because I've told all my ex's names and my babies. If one of my exes named their babies Elvis or Malibu Barbie, I'd be like. Or their dog or whoever. The. I'd be like, that's so weird. Especially. That's all I've ever talked about was like, these are my kids. Okay.

[Oscar]

Because she said that it's. First of all, the name was Teddy. So I think that's where she got a little bit of backlash, because it is kind of like a generic name for, I guess, a dog, too. But she said that it was her dream baby name and that they had talked about this together for years because they were together a long time. And then he did get a dog and named his golden retriever Teddy, and she called him out for that. But then she got a lot of backlash, and she had to kind of, like, respond to it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did she. Did she apologize? I hope she didn't.

[Oscar]

No, not really. She said, yes, it's a comment. Yes, Teddy is a common dog name. Yes, he can name his dog whatever he wants, and it's effed up that he knew it was my dream baby name. We talked about it for years. Yes. I have major things to work on in relationships, and I've already done so much work. I've seen tremendous growth in myself. I'm so proud of who I am today. My timeline is processing, and being who I am doesn't have to look like anyone else's standard for a timeline. So she kind of, like, held her ground, I think, and kind of just.

[Trisha Paytas]

Clarified a little bit, because even if it's like, like. And, you know, whatever it is, that's something you talked about over and over with your partner, and then they named their dog that. That's weird. Jason Tardig sounds familiar. Is he on something? That name sounds.

[Oscar]

He was on the Bachelor or whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nothing after that.

[Oscar]

I don't know. Maybe. Maybe.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know any better. Is such a funny show because people become so obsessed with them, and then you Just like, never hear about them ever again.

[Oscar]

Yeah, there's a select. I feel like a lot of them get podcasts on iHeartRadio. I see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Nick Vile.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Honestly. Clayton Etcher. I know he's got an I heart podcast they all get.

[Trisha Paytas]

Iheart asked me to be on it. Oh, what's his.

[Oscar]

Colton Underwood. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love their family. But also. Yeah, he's so handsome. But also. You know what I mean? Like, anyways.

[Oscar]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. Like. Okay, what?

[Oscar]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, he's so good looking.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Oscar]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, sometimes, like. And I don't think his partner's, like, not attractive, but it's like, you know, it doesn't like, go together sometimes. But, you know, I guess that's. That. That's.

[Oscar]

Love is love.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love is love. I love that. I guess my point is, I do love that. I love when, like, you don't really see someone, like, go together and you're like, oh, okay. And then look happy. They have a baby. Yeah, they look happy. But I have so many questions for him. I want him on the podcast. I have so many questions.

[Oscar]

I know, because he is, like, kind of like a Gabby, where he was on the show twice or whatever, and then ended up being gay.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then he jumped walls to get away from the women. I was like, I need to know why you jumped that wall. Why did you go so high somewhere in there?

[Oscar]

He knew?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so, but maybe not, you know. Who was it? Oh, I was talking about someone who knows, like, G Flip and Chrishell. And they were saying, like, Chrishell, like, wasn't with women before. And she just, like, came up to her at a party, Chrishell to G Flip, and just, like, made out with her and was like, obsessed with her, like, right away. And I was like, wait, that's so interesting. So you weren't even, like, bi before? And you're just like, maybe because she.

[Oscar]

Was in a relationship for so long. Right. Because she was with what's his name from this is Us the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Oscar]

Wasn't that her?

[Trisha Paytas]

What? Really? I don't know her lore like that. I didn't know then. She. I think she dated one of the Oppenheimer brothers. I think I want to.

[Oscar]

Justin Hartley. Yeah. That she was with them from 2017 to 2022.

[Trisha Paytas]

Justin Harley's the Atlas.

[Oscar]

No, he's from not. It ends with us. This is us with the Mandy Moore Show. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So confusing. Oh, so she was with him for a long time.

[Oscar]

Yeah, she was with him for. Was that five years but do not know.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what I mean? I guess you don't. Sometimes I don't.

[Oscar]

Maybe you're just with them for so long that, like, your heart's not even open. Right. To what else is out there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, right.

[Oscar]

Because it's just so focused on this kind of like Kyle Richards from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills because she was with her husband for such a long time and afterwards she, I guess, is exploring her sexuality with women and stuff too. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. Like, if you do it at a young age, you get married, you don't really know that doesn't work out, then you're maybe just like in the world.

[Oscar]

That's also changed a lot, even in those five years. Like. Yeah, because I feel like bisexuality wasn't very prevalent even today. It's not really that prevalent.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. We're fighting for our bisexual people out there. I think there's Mike White and Alan Cummings has been like, we're bisexual. We don't want to be just gay.

[Oscar]

Yeah, yeah. So I think just that knowledge that that is a thing and an option opens people's minds.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And that's everything.

[Oscar]

I love that you're on Caitlyn's side, though, because no one else is.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I didn't hear that story. But right away I was like, because I had someone, not even a boyfriend, but just someone in my life that, like, knows me really well. That was like, we're gonna name our dog Elvis. I was like, no, absolutely not. That's the craziest thing if you have a baby. And like, I don't know, I think what is worse, naming your baby a name that you love. Like if he had a baby with someone or a dog.

[Oscar]

Oh, my God. I kind of think at least the, the dog is. It's just him, you know, him getting a dog. I feel like it's worse if he had a baby because I'm that involved, loves another woman and stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess so.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Now I feel like it's extra personal. At least. This is just him and that dog. He didn't need a woman.

[Trisha Paytas]

People hate when you take like a baby name too. Like, that was my baby name. I see that on Tick Tock too. It's like with friends and stuff, right? Yeah. When the friends take it. And I'm like, well, you had that happen. Your brother took your baby name.

[Oscar]

Yeah, but that was kind of just by coincidence, I guess. I. I never put it out there that. Yeah, I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think it's Bad. Like, honestly, I feel like if people want to name their kids Malibu Barbie, I'm like, that's. Yeah, do it. I don't know. You like a trendsetter, you know, I don't think it's a bad thing, but.

[Oscar]

Just if, like, it's someone, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Personally did it first, maybe. I guess when even I didn't know Kourtney Kardashian, but when I thought they were gonna have a boy named Elvis, that's why I had to claim Elvis, I was like, just so you know, we're not copying them.

[Oscar]

Like, but because you said that you're the someone trying to name their dog Elvis, and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

So if it. But that you'd be upset with that, but it's because you knew them more.

[Harry Daniels]

Is.

[Oscar]

Is that why?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think just because that was. That's my name. Like, that's my name for my baby. And, like, you're gonna just get a dog and take that name? Yeah. I don't like that. That I don't like. Oh, but I guess. Okay, are you saying. Because now.

[Oscar]

But if you had, like. If you knew. If you're just new kind of friendly with someone and they also had, like, a Malibu.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. I guess it's a little hypocritical.

[Oscar]

Yeah. That's just to clarify. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. I think in my head, I want to be this woke person that's like, everyone take this name, but I'm back on her side.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Don't take me. But now. But like I said, now that I did it first. But yeah, someone close to me naming their dog. Because that's like naming your dog my child's name. Is that. That's, like, weird.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I think depending on closeness, like, if I was close with someone, I also just, like, wouldn't want to have the same name, especially if it's more, like, unique. If it was like, a normal, like, family name, like, you know, like a. Maybe like a Steve or something, like, if it's just a family thing, then that's fine. But I think if I had a friend and it was like, a unique baby name, I don't know if I would hate them for. I think I just would find something else.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's kind of what it is, too, because, like, obviously not related, but kind of when Addison came out with her Aquamarine song, I was a little shook. Obviously, she's not doing because of me, but I was a little shook because Aquamarine was, like, such a front runner for our name. And now I'm like, oh, I Don't want the association to be that, like, we named it after Addison. Love Addison. Right. But, like, don't want it to be named after, like, her song.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Even though it was like, more about the movie. So I think we, like, took that out of the running. You know what I mean? I didn't know Miley Cyrus had one called Malibu. I had no idea. Someone's like, yeah. I was like, oh, okay. Didn't know we wouldn't have changed because I still. Her name is Malibu Barbie, so I like it. I think. I wish we would have done Malibu Barbie as her first name because it's her middle name.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And so it kind of just goes by Malibu. If you're just like. Like on the airplane, you can. You only have to put a first name. So I kind of wish we had the full first name. Malibu Barbie.

[Madeline]

I think this gives her more flexibility.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But.

[Madeline]

Because she will Barbie. Yeah. But if she wants to present herself as a Malibu Barbie, she will know. But if she doesn't want, then she has the option.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tiana calls her Malibu Barbie every time she sees her, saying, yeah, I'm with her on this one. And I'm with Gabby. Always with the girls forever. Is Gabby's wife on Hacks?

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just the season or all the seasons?

[Oscar]

Just this season. This is their first season. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What is their role?

[Oscar]

I honestly don't know. It premieres tonight. When? That. When the episode airs Thursday. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I need to watch it. And Jake Shane has playing himself or he's playing someone else.

[Oscar]

I think. I think he's playing a character and I think he's in a couple episodes. Hawk 2 Girls in Glen Powell show. But she's playing Glenn Powell. I mean, not.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's playing.

[Oscar]

Would be a role of a lifetime.

[Harry Daniels]

Actually.

[Oscar]

She's playing Hawk Tua.

[Trisha Paytas]

What show is he on? What show is that?

[Oscar]

He has this new show he's working. I saw it on tmz. She was Cat Hawk to a girl. Cast as Hawk to a girl in Glen Powell's new show. I think she just has a little cameo in there.

[Trisha Paytas]

But did she come back or. No, she's still gone.

[Oscar]

I think she's making a comeback. She has a new documentary coming out and it's by like an Emmy winning, like production company. Weirdly, like a. I think they did like true crime documentary before and there's.

[Madeline]

Definitely a crime was committed.

[Oscar]

Well, she was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

I think they did an investigation to her crypto thing and I guess she was cleared herself.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Oscar]

And then she. I think she's doing. Talk to her again, but without Jake. Paul's company is what I read. I don't know how that works.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just love her. I love Haley, but also just so over the hock to a.

[Oscar]

Me too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Haley Welch. Try rebrand or maybe you know what, there's nothing wrong just being content in your little town in Tennessee. We were back in Ohio and the people are just so happy and not places, you know, people are just happy with their lives, their day to day lives. They don't desire fame, they don't desire people knowing them and they seem really happy. I was like, honestly, this is a serve. This is where you need to stay. Because so many of our family members aren't on social media or anything that they're just happy. They take photos just to take photos. They don't post. I was like, do you want to post? You want to sell them? He's like, no, I just like taking pictures. And I was like, good for you. Keep that because that's amazing. You have to listen to anyone's criticism. The pictures were really good. I was trying. Well, like, look at this. This looks like you should be selling these photos. He's like, I just like to take photos and I don't need anyone to see them except our. Ourselves, our family. And I love that everyone's so content. You know the thing about the Midwest, we notice everyone has base basements because of tornadoes. We had basements too, but their whole basements are just playrooms for kids. Just giant playrooms.

[Madeline]

Like everyone has a daycare in their house basically.

[Oscar]

That's so cute.

[Madeline]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Midwest is very family oriented. That's why Malibu is in heaven. Because all my cousins have kids. So There was like 12 kids and she just got to play with them in all these giant playrooms, little kitchen sets, whatever.

[Madeline]

And they're just so happy because they know like, like she just goes from one station to the other and it's kind of the same. So like there's the doctor station. She goes, she puts the rope, she takes a baby. She tests everything. Okay, Goes to the kitchen, does the dishes, cook something. Then goes to the. There's like a Target cashier thing. She checks you out and then there's. And there's obviously a stage with a microphone. And then they start singing and performing.

[Trisha Paytas]

A lot of stages back.

[Madeline]

It's quite amazing how.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the kids are so nice not to like go back that way. The kids are like, like so nice. They're a little older than Malibu. They're like, maybe the youngest is 5 and the oldest is like 15. And like even the 10 year olds, they play with her. But out here, we had an incident, we talked about one time, like at a party and like a three year old, when Malibu was like one was like, you're a baby, you can't sit with us. I was like, God, people are so mean back there. 10 year olds are playing with her.

[Madeline]

Fate to hold her hand and play with her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, stay wholesome, Midwest. And shout out to all those people who are content with just living life, just observing. Even my meet and greetings. People are like, oh, I just scroll TikTok. I don't have to. Like, my first thing is I always be like, oh, did you post a TikTok? Did you just. And like, no, I don't have it. I just like to watch it. I was like, good for you. Honestly, keep that life. It's, it's good. I just like, I feel like I'm always trying to like aspire for more and more and then I get mad, oh, I can't be on Traders this year because I'm pregnant. It's like, God, people in the Midwest are just happy with where they're at, you know? Yeah, stay that way. And they were really happy and living their life and I don't know. I don't know. There is something like wired a little differently in my brain.

[Oscar]

I do think there are people like that here too, but. Yeah, I don't think so.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you think that we talk about this all the time. You think I meet people? Oh, I never, I never want to be in the spotlight. Never. Then they get these big heads. You show them in a vlog once and then they're like, I have fans. And it's just like, I think everybody in LA has that desire, even if they don't see it.

[Madeline]

We talked about it. Because how many people you meet that are from la? There's not that many, you know, more because you grew up here. But you know, everyone. You meet a waiter in a place and they moved here to be an actor, to have a singer or something like the transplants.

[Trisha Paytas]

But even if they don't say that, even if they don't know they want that, you give them a little taste. And I've had it happen with so many people in my life. They get big heads, they get this. And there's like nothing wrong with it. Of course, obviously we all want like a little attention, but it's just always funny when people like, no, I would never want that life. I would never want attention. I Would never want this. And then they, like, they, like, they become. They have a little taste of stardom. It happened at Cheesecake Factory once. I put a waiter in my vlog and he, like, he quit his job at Cheesecake Factory. He was like, literally. And he's like, we should vlog more. We should do this. I'm like, oh, my God, I am so sorry that I ever put you in that vlog. Because he, like, quit his job to, like, tour with his band. Maybe he did. Well, I don't remember. If you guys remember, it was back in like 2012. His name was Kyle. And maybe he has a big band now. I don't know. But I remember him quitting because everyone just thought he was, like, so hot. And I think back then I was like, my hot Cheesecake Factory waiter. Whatever. He's Marine Del Rey. And I guess he got followers. And then he just, like, quit his job to, like, go be a rock star Full. Which again, is good. But, you know, know, he was. He was a lesser example sometimes my. I've had friends where they just love it and I think that's all of la. But do you know, I guess you said you know some people that aren't.

[Oscar]

I mean, like. Yeah, I think because I just know people who are just from here and have, like, normal jobs. Like, my brother is very happy just working on the bus ways, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he has no desire.

[Madeline]

I saw them crying, you know.

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah, yeah, true. Yeah, he.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's right. That is true.

[Oscar]

Solves local crimes.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. That's okay.

[Oscar]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Your brother's like a local hero. He's like, let me investigate this. You're right. You're right.

[Oscar]

But yeah, I do think probably Tran, like, if a transplant, like, if you move to la, there's probably obviously some kind of ambition to that, you know, you just move for nothing.

[Harry Daniels]

So.

[Trisha Paytas]

I agree.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Thought this was kind of interesting. There was a tiktoker who was once on Too Hot to Handle in the Perfect Match. I guess this is a very reality show theme day. Francesca Farago. She was on those shows. Now she's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I love her.

[Oscar]

Oh, you do love her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, she's all over her TikTok.

[Oscar]

Yes, yes, yes. Well, did you see her Snap story? No, I'm not either, but it got reposted everywhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

I haven't seen.

[Oscar]

She went on Snap to talk about how she was offered money to make an anti Hailey Bieber video tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did she show receipts? Was she like, this is the email?

[Oscar]

No, she didn't show receipts. She said she could. But she said she did say she sent them to Haley though, which I think was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was love that.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just so you know. Girl.

[Oscar]

She's a girl's girl. Love. Yeah, she said that kind of. You talked about this a little bit before how like companies that have like a song or a sound that they want to promote, they reach out to pay you to use the sound somehow. So she said that but I couldn't find the trend that she was talking about. I did look for it. Maybe you've seen it. But there is a trend where everyone calls themselves a Haley Bieber because they stalk their man and how they got them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that sounds very real.

[Oscar]

I've seen that meme a lot. I haven't seen the specific trend but a company did offer to pay her to do that trend so to make a tick tock about being the Haley Bieber and like stalking the man. And she said even though it was meant to be like a funny meme, she said it, it, it seemed kind of mean to her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And she wasn't comfortable with being paid to do that. So she went her snap and said sometimes me and Jesse get paid to do a trend on tick tock. The person who started the trend or the person who owns the song that's on the trend, they'll pay creators to do it. She said someone is paying creators to do the trend of making fun of Hailey Bieber. And I think that is so mean. They offered me a decent amount of money to do it and I was like, no. Even if it's funny, light hearted, whatever, it's still low key. Not, not. Maybe I'm just being dramatic, but she's a new mom. It's so mean to have this much hate on her. And I'm like, that's so fierce. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's only sound promos where I'm like, I don't know. This doesn't seem like my vibe. Because they want you to do the exact like trend.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I never got that one. That's interesting. Who's. I wonder. But she should say who sent it. Like I want to know.

[Oscar]

Me too. I'm curious as like who the company is. I'm sure it's like you know, not whoever is directly behind it. I'm sure they. Whoever wants that out there paid a company to go and try to promote it or whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

But even so it's always from like a Universal music. It's always from like some music company.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So it's kind of odd.

[Oscar]

That's why I was trying to find the exact trend to see, like, what the sound was, you know, I couldn't find the exact trend because I've seen the meme and I've seen people do variations of it, but I've always seen, like, different random sounds.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Because obviously if it's like an official sound from like, a label or something, that's like, very telling. But yeah, I couldn't find the exact one that she was saying.

[Trisha Paytas]

She started a head campaign, though. It's not like she's in a movie or. Or something, you know, it's not like lively. Justin.

[Oscar]

I know, because I don't. I mean, granted, it is one of those things where it, like a wave of hate came out of nowhere with that, like, YouTube quote unquote documentary that was up for a long time that suddenly got viral on Tik Tok. So it is interesting, the timing of it all.

[Madeline]

I think it's more like, let's say you have a song that you want to promote higher PR company, they come up with an idea that they think will go viral. And that was the idea and awful idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I see you're saying because this is.

[Madeline]

This is the company in between the song and the creators paying creators to promote the song.

[Trisha Paytas]

So knowing you'll get views. Came up with somebody who's not smear campaigning against her. Maybe the song person was just like, well, this is.

[Oscar]

Let's take advantage of. Yeah. Of the Haley hate. That does make more sense because it is, like, so, like, who would be to that extent, you know, like. Because a lot of the. I feel like a lot of the hate is kind of just fueled by the Stan wars of, like, Selena, Justin Haley, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

So to go to that extent is kind of insane.

[Harry Daniels]

But.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I. We were not paid.

[Oscar]

You would turn it down.

[Trisha Paytas]

We had like a three week. Yeah, no, he posted her today. And I was like. I was the first to comment. Adorable. Love it. You know what I mean? Like, I love their love. I love that he's supporting her. And I think that's great. And that's all that matters. That's the best is, like, when everyone's coming down on you, but then your husband's like, let me just post a solo shot of my wife.

[Oscar]

And even I was thinking, this is so, like, stale T at this point. But remember when he, like, posted like, irreplaceable was a song and to. To like, a photo dump of Haley or whatever, and everyone's like, he's trying to shade her. I honestly. And it Kind of said it. It. I think he just thought of a word to describe Haley and was like, she's irreplaceable.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I think he just was the song Shady.

[Oscar]

Everyone thought it was like shade. Because don't you ever for a second get to thinking you're irreplaceable. To the left, to the left. Everything you own to the box.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yeah, I think he just looked.

[Oscar]

Up like an adjective and went with it, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Oscar]

I think he's just a.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's.

[Oscar]

I don't know. I think I'm so good.

[Madeline]

It's social media.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I'm so accustomed to how Trisha uses social media that it's so normal.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're on the same wave.

[Oscar]

Yeah. It's just liking things randomly, not really paying all that much.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was me today. Yeah. Where we can transition to our next one. That literally was, like, liking comments. I did the Michaela apology and I was like. In comments, like, Oscar was the one being mean. And then I liked it because I was like, oh, no. Because, you know, I just go down. I'm like, yep, yep, yep. And then I saw a couple and I was like, oh, let me. Unlike that one. You know what I mean? Because I just go down. I'm like, if someone leaves a comment, I love it. I try to read it. It. I read quickly. So I just look.

[Oscar]

Yeah, the speed reading.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's why. And then I'll see a comment like, okay, let me not especially if it's about you. Sometimes I see Oscar and something like, you know, they're talking about Oscar. But then if it's like something shady, I was like, okay, yeah.

[Oscar]

But honestly, I would kind of agree with the comments, to be honest, because obviously Michaela has spoke out. Not loving the take from the podcast. And normally I wouldn't care if I, like, if I believed what I was saying or like, agreed with myself in past tense. But I did go back to see it because I was like, damn, what did I really say? To be honest.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And honestly, I think Michaela was pretty valid. I think I. My point, I still kind of agree with. You know, I think I was just trying to say that Michaela is known for being like, the ultimate influencer, and she does have the knack for being able to sell the hell out of a product. So I think it was just a little distracting maybe to have, you know, do a such a confessional and honest style video as a get ready with me with. With. And obviously that's her style, and I get that But I'm just saying maybe that was a little bit distracting. And also, I think my second point was, you know, maybe it was a little intense to say everyone who's commented on it, there's a special place in hell for them. Because, you know, as a content creator, you did kind of play into the speculation a little bit. But granted, there is a big subsection of that that's not constructive criticism, and it's people who just hate her. So I totally get that, and I think those are fair points. But I think my delivery was just, like, so intense and, like, I think I came across very judgmental and insensitive, and that, like, was not my intent. But I think I was just. Maybe I was just too emotional that day, to be honest. So I felt bad. I really did feel bad, because I feel like I. I think because I actually don't dislike Michaela.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

If I thought she was just, like, a mean, nasty person, I wouldn't care. But I actually. I have a soft spot for her. I do.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And anytime we've ever talked about her, I feel like. Like, I usually. I think she's very camp. I usually am pretty neutral on Michaela. Mascara gate kind of camp. Even when she was like, you tried being an influencer for a day? I think she had. I understood her point. Delivery was a little much, but I understood her point.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

So I've never really had it out for her, but I totally understand that. I came across, like, very mean and judgmental, and especially she's going through such a sensitive time, and I think I just worded it so insensitively. And I, in my head, too, I was trying to be nice with. By paying her compliments. I was like, I commend her strength. The fact that she is willing to take him back with open arms is very beautiful.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Her work ethic is just so insane. The fact that she was going through such a hard time was able to do it all. But I also understand how, because my tone was so judgmental, that that could be perceived as, like, passive aggressive when it really. It was genuine compliments. Because I do think that does. Does take a lot of strength to still be able to present and get your work done despite all of that. So I was genuine about those compliments. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's so funny. Yeah. Criticism you. Whenever you hear it from someone. Never. It just, like, never feels good. And I. I love Michaela. I've always loved Michaela. I've always defended her. And because of that, I see a lot of myself in her Words, like, I could tell she's very sensitive. Obviously she's very young and like, this is all new to her. And whenever I hear criticism about myself, like, I immediately shut off, shut down that person with what they're saying. Because also no one wants to hear it. You know what I mean? No one wants to hear that. She doesn't want to hear any of that. Which, you know, that was my advice to her was just like, oh, I just don't watch anything about yourself. And granted, like, she was like, I was. She like bought tickets to my boss and show. I didn't even know. Like, Michaela and I have talked a couple times in dm. We follow each other. I really love her. I did a tick tock on that Saturday before, which I mentioned the last one where I was like. Which I never talk about Hot Topics, but I was like, damn. Like, I did not know. Like, it really goes to show you don't know what someone's going through. And I have like, so much, like, I just, just couldn't even imagine what she was going through. So I think, yeah, like, hearing any sort of criticism, even me, because I know she thought I was being mean to her in the episode, which I was like, oh my God. And if she thought that I was like, let me apologize because I, I wasn't trying to be either. Truly. Truly. Because there's like one person like, is Michaela. You know, and in general, we try not to be mean on this show. You know, it's like we kind of see all the sides of it. But I think when you hear something, you kind of only hear like the negative parts of it. You know what I mean? And then she did like a follow up where she was like, okay, she was kind of defending me. And she was. So I think it was like. And. And this morning we talked like this morning of filming of Wednesday, she like had DM me and she's like, I'm sorry. Had like a, A mental, like a little breakdown. A little. Yeah, I don't either. And that's the thing. Like, it sucks when you hear anyone doing criticism, especially when everyone is. And. But then it's also like if she really is a fan of mine, which, like, I didn't know really to that. To that aspect of it. Like, I don't know. You know what I mean? So I didn't know she like watched that or would see it. And when I apologized for that, she saw it. A lot of people kind of came for me for that. I guess the thing is, is like this Is what we do. Like, I mean, of course, in everyday life. Because a lot of people, like, no one should be commenting on her husband except for her. Granted, if it's like real life, yes, of course. But it's influenced our life and people talk about it. We saw it on people. Like, we talk about, like, people, whatever. And it sucks. Like, it's like, me too, whenever I'm like a hot topic in something. Like, like, it sucks, like, hear anything. So that's why I just don't. But that is part of it. The tribing an influencer for a day. I agree with that because that is annoying. That's the only part of this job that sucks. Is like, everything you do will be talked about no matter what. Like, if you're not posting about Cody, if you are posting about Cody, putting Cody online, like, and that's with Moses, too. When we, like, first started dating, it's like, do you. Do you stay online? Do you. Not at the beginning. I have family members, my brother, my dad, who like my dad, maybe more so. But, like, don't want anything to do with social media. Like, do not put me on it, whatever. And then, yeah, when you start dating someone that's not on social media, like Cody was and Moses and all stuff like that, it's kind of like, all right, like. Like, you have to be prepared for it. And I think, like, when we got a lot of hate back in 2021, like, I felt so bad, it wasn't fair to Moses. I was like, that's not fair to Moses that he's getting his past dragged up and everything like that. But at the end of the day, it's not fair for sure. But you put them on social media. And I'm not saying that's with Michaela. I'm just saying with our situation and just in general, like, when you put someone on social media, that's just how it is. People are just like, talk about you. And yeah, of course, where I'm closer to her. And now I would never. Like, we, me and Michael have talked. I hoping to get to meet her in Boston next week. I was like, it's an honor if I get to meet you, because she's. If she's going to come to my show. And, like, now we're closer. It's hard when we know someone too, like Brooke or anybody when something is a hot topic. So it's like, if we don't talk about it, it's part of the podcast. It's kind of what we do. And I feel like we're pretty fair and kind in this day and age, especially about with women and all this stuff like that. Our angle is to never like tear them down for sure. But it is part of it. And me too, if I like, if I'm ever talked about or there's something happening. And with this Michaela stuff, I did get a lot of, of hate as well. Obviously. Like, oh my God, how could you have talked about Michaela like that? And I just try to apologize when I can because like the last thing I wanted to do was like hurt her feelings. Like, that was not my intention. To me I was like, it's a really big story. People picked it up, it's everywhere. And then. Yeah, your point of view was, no pun intended, but there is a new line out. Point of View by Michaela. I love the packaging, honestly. It's a good name actually because then you talk. Not sponsored, but I do, I do like that I heard what you were saying and I was like, okay. So I don't know, it's more just like a discussion. People are talking about it. But I totally get. And I felt really bad. Oh my God. To make someone cry is like, especially like that when you're going through something and you're emotional because like no matter how well you seem to be doing and how much money you're making, like it does feel the worst, especially him being in rehab. So she has like nobody to support her. Like if Moses was gone and I was going through like all of this by myself, like, that would be extremely hard. So I felt really bad. And because I know her personally, obviously I have bias now and especially now talking to her and stuff like that. Like. But I feel like I've always had compassion. I feel like always. And I always say that when like older influencers bully her and like, and bully in the term of like we talked about bullying earlier. But when I think bullying is the definition of like, you're constantly talking like she talked about rich Lux in that, in that video where she's like, f you, Rich Locks. Because he really does relentlessly go after Michaela for every little thing. And that's why she's like. And anyone who makes a video about this and blah, blah, like, you know, F you, whatever, that is annoying when someone's like obsessed with you and like won't stop talking about you and it's kind of one sided. So I've always had her back when it's like an older influencer, like you know, just constantly coming for her. But anyone. So I'm gonna make a compilation of all the times I defended Michaela because I love her. I always think she's camp. I totally get it. I'm. I'm for her. I'm for her business, her hustle, her product placement, all that stuff like that. I think she looks great. I think she's beautiful. She has great taste in music if she's coming to my show. So I just. I really like her. And of course, yeah, if I make anyone cry, especially if I didn't know that, like, I still feel bad. Like, that happened with Lauren Gray. She was on Zach Sang, like, a couple years ago, and she's like, yeah, like, Trisha was on a podcast making fun of me for hanging out Bryce Hall. And I apologize to her because, like, the last thing I want to do is be mean. That was kind of in my mean era when I was being mean. But I don't want to be, like, mean making people cry again. Especially, like, it's me. Like, who am I to judge literally anybody for sharing anything or over sharing or sharing too much or too little? Yeah, she does get crazy, unnecessary hate for kind of nothing. You know what I mean? And, you know, girl, like, do you just keep doing you and. Yeah, it sucks. It sucks. Like, when you see. Especially when you see someone that you're a fan of, talk about you. Ooh, I've been there, too. It's just the worst. And you kind of don't forget it. There's people I like, love, and I still see, but I'm like, I'll never forget that time you talked about me. You know what I mean? But as Wendy Williams once said, I would ask you to protect my privacy, but I wouldn't. And she was true. You know, when she got. She got her husband. That scandal was crazy. I mean, at least she's real about it, because you can't ask Wendy Williams. Stop talking about Hot Topics. You know, am I the Wendy Williams in the situation? Yeah. Dipping and doing, you know, period. But, yeah, I think, yeah. And there are a lot of Michaela haters, because I'm even in my apology, there was a lot of people in my apology who were like, trisha, you're such a nasty woman. And then there was a lot of people that's like, oh, wow.

[Oscar]

Well, deserves it made me more uncomfortable than anything. Like, I didn't want it. Like, people were agreeing with me, but using that as an excuse to be, like, nasty to Michaela. And I was like, no. Like, I. This was not my intention. I'm not trying to Board the Michaela hate train. I bought a ticket by accident. Like, let me get off at the next stop. Like, I. This is not what I wanted to be a part of. Anytime I've talked about her, I feel like I'm usually pretty neutral. I don't agree with everything she does. No. But I. I view her almost like you. Like, there is an entertainment factor to her. I don't think compared to the other influencers out there who are just really, like, transphobic, misogynistic, homophobic. Like, I got bigger. Fisher, Fi.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Michaela and the mascara and the found. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

So she's doing just fine. I was looking at her views yesterday on TikTok, and, like, 6 million, 7 million. Like, she's killing it.

[Oscar]

The. Like. All I was trying to say is, I. It would have been better for me if I perceive without the distractions, because even without seeing it, like, that's. I just saw the products first, but I understand that's Michaela's style, and it wasn't like, a personal slide against her and her situation at all. And I felt bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think it's valid. Like I said, when you put something out on TikTok, no matter what it is, people will talk about it, analyze that. Tick tock has 20 million views. You know what I mean? And it's, like, a valid thing. And, yeah, it sucks as an influencer. That's why I told her again, influencer, you can't watch stuff about yourself. And it's just part of it. It's part of the reason she's popular. Like, good or bad people are talking.

[Oscar]

About it is part of it, I think, for my responsibility, though. And that's why I do apologize to Michaela, because I think they're like, obviously, you're a public figure. Yes, criticism and stuff comes with it. But I also do think a lot of people lack, like, sensitivity about talking about things. And I feel like that's what I lacked. Like, in the moment, I thought I was conveying it the right way, but then looking back, I saw how, like, I came across very judgmental and insensitive, which wasn't what I wanted to put out there. So that's even, like. And also, this is me separate, because I didn't even know that you talked to her at all. This is just me looking at myself and seeing how Michaela saw it. And I was like, you know what? She gagged me a bit. And she was fine for that. She was valid for that. Like, this is me separate from you.

[Trisha Paytas]

As well, to clarify, watching your Instagram story, because it was after. We did not Loveline. We did like six episodes. We did one just church. We did six episodes. Not loveline. We were. I was going from 9am to 9pm in the tightest ponytail in the world. So when we were done, I was like, oh, did you see the Michaela thing? So then I was watching it, and so I was on a high from filming all day, so I was like, really good. So in my apology, I was like, also before, here's my purse. And everyone's like, why are you showing this person apology? Because we were just talking about it. We're talking about this leopard bag. It. We were going to buy it. I know, Sorry.

[Madeline]

But. But that's. But that's exactly.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Madeline]

You just did what you did.

[Oscar]

Yes, exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, first, I'm not getting sponsored by ysl. I paid for this bag in my sleep. I was like, how did I buy this bag while I was sleeping? Like, I don't even remember. But, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Me and Michaela are very similar. Look, I'm not. I'm not about. I'm not about.

[Madeline]

The thing is that we were trying.

[Trisha Paytas]

To get our pregnancy announcement sponsored by Clear Blue.

[Oscar]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

They were, like, considering it, like, back and forth for so long. And then also like, oh, no. They said no. Because I'm like, can we announce? Should we be waiting for Clear Blue? And they're like, no. And we use Clear Blue all the time. Not sponsored, but I showed every pregnancy has a Clear Blue.

[Oscar]

And influences are crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Influencer. It was our third baby.

[Madeline]

So, you know, I think, I mean, we do this show really for the. For people like Michaela at that moment. You know, she's going through so much. And this show is really an escape, you know, when people want to just tune in. Escape. So when I saw her story and she was crying, you know, I felt really bad. I was like, that was never the intention. I almost, like, I wanted to respond to her. But obviously you're the person that connected to her. All I'm saying is, like, you know, we. We try. It's hard. Like, you try to have a show that's purely entertainment, doesn't hurt anyone. So we usually talk about people that are like a listers. They're not watching the show or Harry Jobsy, but sometimes there's that moment when somebody that actually does watch the show. And that's why when I saw. When I saw her story, I immediately told you, like, yeah, like, write to her or something. Like, I just. I. It just felt bad. I didn't want her to. And we were. We look at it as, like, you know, we analyze the influencer world. How did they operate? What did they do? We never said anything about Cody, too. We never talked about him, about the relationship. We were just looking at, like, how does influencers go about the world and what do they do?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, and I feel. I feel awful.

[Madeline]

That's all it was, because it's so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Awful, because he was kind of like. Like, of course he consented, but, like, he has plucked from, like, this world of, like, not influencing, but also, like, being in a sober house. She said when she met him, like, all this crazy stuff. So to go from that to famous to your wedding, publicized all this stuff. Now this being publicized, like, I feel bad for him too, obviously. He said he's like, you can share my story and stuff like that, but it is such a weird thing. Social media is just a weird thing that we live in where everyone just, like, can view you and criticize you. And I felt. I felt awful when I watched her crying in her room alone. I've been.

[Harry Daniels]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Harry Daniels]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Harry Daniels]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Trisha Paytas]

And I was like, holy, that's a yeah. And, yeah, very valid to feel that way because nobody wants to hear anything about themselves. Good, bad, like, or bad. Or criticism, whatever. It just doesn't ever feel good, especially about something so sensitive. And like I said, she seems to today. Today, her Instagram story was she's about to slay all day. And I texted her that, too. I was like, girl, I'm gonna slay all day, too, per your Instagram story. I said that. I was like, we're just the influencer. She's like, yeah, I'm gonna slay too, girl. And I love that about her. I love that you can have a mental breakdown the night before, and then the next day you're like, I'm slaying all day. And that is the beauty of it. And I think that's what's great.

[Oscar]

She queened.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's she queen. That's it, Period. She's like, I'm better today, and that's totally okay and wonderful.

[Madeline]

I'm looking forward to see a picture of together.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, yeah, she did give me her number. I was like, if you're comfortable sharing and get you VIP side stage, whatever you want to do. Like, yeah, she's. She's sweet. And then I was like, yeah, if you have a minute to say hi, I'm like, I was shook. I was so shook. I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, I would have never even known she was coming to the show or watching or anything. And I love her. And anyone who ever feels slighted by us on the podcast, I'm happy to be like, oh, I see it. But we try to keep it cute. I mean, if they're like, like, awful.

[Oscar]

Yeah. That's why especially I feel like Michaela. I just. I don't dislike her. So that's why I care. If I genuinely did not think they were, like, a good person or if I think their intentions were bad, I honestly wouldn't care to be like, okay, go off. Like, if it was like, I mean, like, Gabby and Clayton, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. Right.

[Oscar]

So tie it back. Like, she didn't care because she did something. He did something terrible there. Like, I would have that energy, but because I do, I don't dislike Michaela.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Oscar]

And I think she is in the right here. That is. That's kind of it. But if it was Harry Jowsey, I guess it'd be a little different, obviously. But maybe. I don't know. Maybe I feel bad for Harry Jowsey, too. I don't know.

[Madeline]

I don't know.

[Oscar]

I don't think you're inside. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're hoping to hear.

[Madeline]

It'd be interesting the day that we'll see a story from him that he watches just Trish crying.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Madeline]

I would feel bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

He might be going through something. Yeah, Maybe he had trauma in his past and that's why he's acting the way he does. Well, I didn't know that.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Treat everyone as if they have trauma in their past.

[Oscar]

That's a good moral of the story.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Okay. All right, you guys. Coming up next, we have our guest of honor, Harry Daniels. Not Josie. I was about to say.

[Oscar]

Oh, my God. Scared me for a second.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did, too. I was thinking Harry. Jazzy. He's coming in with his hot takes and his latest celeb adventures. Love adventures. Let's see who he's talking to. Yeah, let's get him in here. We'll be right back. All right, you guys, back, back, back. Harry Daniels is back. We're back from our break and Harry Daniels is here with Barry wearing New York Knicks. Are you going to the Knicks game soon?

[Harry Daniels]

My friend Mason, Just when we were in London. Barry's been wearing the same pajamas for like, God, like a few years now at this point. In any way.

[Trisha Paytas]

He has worn those since he's been here.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah. This is the first time you've seen him in the Knicks outfit?

[Oscar]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay.

[Harry Daniels]

He's been wearing the pajamas for a while and my friend gave him a Knicks outfit and so like, like, yeah, he's really into basketball now because of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love that in his athletic era.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, he wants to be like a pro athlete.

[Trisha Paytas]

How are you doing?

[Harry Daniels]

I'm doing so good. How are you?

[Trisha Paytas]

What are you in LA for?

[Harry Daniels]

I'm like, I had to sign NDA for this. I had to come out for a filming and then Coachella's in two days or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you're wearing a Coachella?

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, yeah. And so I was like, here we go. Like going home to New York for like a week and then flying back. It's like a six hour flight. How have you been? You've been on tour? Like tour of a lifetime. Oh my God.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Literally I should have had the Lifetimes tour. Me and Katy Perry. The Lifetimes of Trish tour is coming next. Yeah, I've been on the airs. Are you gonna be in New York next week?

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, I'm gonna go.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're gonna go to Ray? Yeah. Okay about it. Oh, perfect. I was just gonna ask you if.

[Harry Daniels]

You wanted to come.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yay. Okay. Cuz you are Mr. New York. So you're flying back then? You're gonna come back for weekend two?

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah. Wait, am I coming back for weekend too? Wait, no, I'm not coming back for weekend two. I'm going just weekend one and then. And I'm coming back here I think in like three weeks or something. Cause I have to do another filming.

[Oscar]

A re. Filming.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can you give us a hint? A TV show, a movie?

[Harry Daniels]

Reality show. It's Disney. It's always Disney. Like literally, it's always Disney. Yeah, it's always Disney.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, really? Do you work at Disney before? How do I not know this?

[Harry Daniels]

Unlike certain projects. Cause the thing with Disney is they handle a bunch of studios kind of. So it's like when I did. So it's like Timothee Chalamet, complete unknown is technically Disney. Cause it's under searchlight and that's like a Disney subsidiary. I play the harmonica for him.

[Oscar]

Him.

[Harry Daniels]

Or like, were you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were you, like, in partnership for it?

[Harry Daniels]

Okay, that one was sort of just like. That was a really strange one. I can't even lie. It was like half partnership, half not. Because, like, they're like. They didn't want to, like, go to Timothy's team because, like, he was denying, like, everything, and so they didn't want to.

[Trisha Paytas]

I felt like he was everywhere because he did the Brittney Broski.

[Harry Daniels]

It wasn't he was denying necessarily, but it was sort of more of like, it was very curated by him vibes. And so, like, they didn't want to run it by him. Have it be this whole thing then, like, day of. Because that happened to me before with someone where it was like I pulled up and I was there, and then the person pulled up like, hey, are you ready to do this? I don't want to do it anymore. When I did something and it was like, yeah. So it's like sometimes, like, people get.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, really strange with that stuff, doesn't it? You prepare for it and then, like, no. Are you preparing for anyone at Coachella? Do you have it set up?

[Harry Daniels]

I have Gaga, right? A girl. I wish.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no. We're gonna see you singing to Gaga for sure. Mark my words.

[Harry Daniels]

When it comes to the music, she doesn't do it. She's not do it. Like, you have to. You have to find her.

[Trisha Paytas]

But that's what I'm saying. You find people. That's what you do. You bombard them.

[Harry Daniels]

I mean, like, Ambush, right? It's not out of the question. Nothing's out of the question. Because, like, last question. I knew no Katy Perry was going, and then, like, here I am posted with Katy Perry.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. I think you're gonna be singing. What song would you sing to Gaga?

[Harry Daniels]

I don't know. Like, I love Alejandro. That's like one of my favorite Gaga songs.

[Trisha Paytas]

Very random. You wouldn't even do a new one. Like, abracadabra.

[Harry Daniels]

Okay. Like my. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. No, I'd probably like, shallow. My friend told me this really funny thing. They're like, you know, if you sing to Gaga, she's like, you're so brave.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're so brave. Is the best one.

[Harry Daniels]

You're so brave. I love that cute little monster.

[Oscar]

Awesome.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She would kind of live for you, I think. I think she would, like, love you. You gotta find a way to get to her.

[Harry Daniels]

I know. I Met her once when I was like 14. But like, for two seconds.

[Trisha Paytas]

And she loved you.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, I was like, can I have a picture? And she just stood there and was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, where were you, though? Like, what's the context?

[Harry Daniels]

I was like, in red. No, it was like literally outside of like a talk show or like Stephen Colbert for A Star Is Born. I remember that. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You think that should be more prepared for. I'm like that at airports. I'm always like. Because I'm always like rushing to something. Something like that.

[Harry Daniels]

But she should do people well. Do people like. No, she was prepared. She just like, literally. I mean, like, I get her. It's like sometimes when people. Do people ever come up to you and you're like, I wish you would just take a photo and walk away? Or like, no.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, wait, as opposed to what?

[Harry Daniels]

Like, opposed to like literally sitting and having like a 20 minute conversation?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, for sure. Like airports. Because you're always like rushing. And so I'm always just like, like, let's take a photo. Or I have a micron. But I mean, I'm not Lady Gaga. Like, I think if I was on a plane, bus, another plane. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, then it's a different story.

[Harry Daniels]

I feel like with her, it's probably like really heavy because people who are like, really into her, like, they have a lot of like, emotional stories. So can you imagine, like, every five seconds, like, someone comes up to you and you're like, and I was going through my divorce when I heard manicure and that's what like, stopped me from.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, like, I do love those stories. Like, at a meet and greet is always. I like him in general. But yeah, rushing through an airport with kids could be a little.

[Oscar]

Right?

[Harry Daniels]

No, like, for sure like that. But like, and like, also it's just like a lot of like wear and tear, I think, on like your, like. Do you remember when Justin Bieber canceled all those meet and greets like a few years ago? Oh, yeah, he canceled all these meeting greets few years ago. And he's like, it's too heavy on like my spirit. Because people would probably walk into the meeting. Like, imagine like, literally you have to stand there for 45 minutes and every five seconds someone comes up to you. I was gonna myself, but then I listened to like baby. And I like, I didn't.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I love it. Like, I love it because I'm like, oh, that's like so.

[Harry Daniels]

No, like, same. But I just like, for a lot of people, I understand why it would be like, Taxing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, some people say that.

[Oscar]

Some people, I think Chapel.

[Trisha Paytas]

Chapel.

[Oscar]

Like, she stopped doing meet and greets for that reason too. Because it was like, it was too much for her emotionally, which I get.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can get a trauma dump for sure, but when people jumping on me with my kids or something, Mel be like, who was that? Like a friend. Because it's like they just sit, spare their whole life story, and then it's just like, okay, it's a friend. I don't. I don't mind a trauma dump. And people always apologize ahead of time. Like, sorry for this trauma dump. And I'm like, it's okay.

[Harry Daniels]

I like the trauma dumps. Because, like, okay, at that point I'm like, okay. Like, you're like, opening up. You're having a conversation. Like, I'm here for it. I want to hear what you have to say. Vibes. Yeah, but, like, I'm awful at small talk. Like, Madeline is my sister, but she's also my manager and a huge part of her job is having conversations for me because, like, I'm actually capable of having conversations.

[Trisha Paytas]

You need to just come with me to have conversations with me. I'm not great at conversations either, but I'm a trauma dumper, so I love a trauma dumper back so I can understand it. I'm like, yes, get it all up. I trauma dump on anyone. We're gonna, you know, any meet and greet we go to, I'm gonna trauma dump for sure.

[Madeline]

My.

[Harry Daniels]

I'm trying to think, what are my trauma dumps? It's like kind of really random stuff. Like her, like, H E R. Like, I love her music and she just followed me on Instagram and like, I have to let, like, stop myself from dming her and being like, you don't know this, but in 2021, I was in a situationship and I listened to your self titled album every day. It's like, girl, what we love, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, people love you. I told you. Like, Bow and Yang loves you. Like, people, like, they actually do love you. They think you're, like, iconic.

[Harry Daniels]

So I think you're you. You're the one who's iconic.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, stop. We're kind of icons together, right? No.

[Harry Daniels]

When I was at Wicked, I literally kept going like, you don't know this, but Trisha Paytas is over there. They're like. I was like. I was like, guys. I literally. I was like, guys. I was like. Because, like, there's so many people I know who I know. Love you. I was like, trisha's like, right there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm dead.

[Oscar]

That's literally like, what?

[Harry Daniels]

No, when I came up to you with Levy, I literally came up. I was like. I literally walked up. I was like, levy, Trisha's right there. I was like, you need to go say hi.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. When was that? The wicked.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, wicked. I was like, cuz I got know she loves you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah. That was exciting.

[Harry Daniels]

Like, yeah. So I was like, yeah, like, she.

[Trisha Paytas]

Has to thank you, by the way, for always, always pitching us to everybody. We haven't heard back from Benny Blanco. He pitches to.

[Harry Daniels]

I'll text him. I'll send him a text.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that you text him.

[Harry Daniels]

That one was weird because it was like I was at a Coachella party and I've never been lactose intolerant before. Like, I've never had an issue with lactose. And anyway, I kept. They had these like, ice cream bars and I kept eating the ice cream bars, and he stops me and he's like, harry, like, it's our first time eating, by the way. He's like, you're gonna. Everywhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Benny Blanco said that. The first thing he said to you.

[Harry Daniels]

No, we'd spoken for like, two minutes prior. And so, like, he. He sees. Stops me because I keep getting ice cream bars. Like, these are too good. And he's like, you're gonna everyone. I was like, that's never been a problem.

[Oscar]

He's a girl's girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Do you know you were lactose?

[Harry Daniels]

I wasn't lactose until that day.

[Trisha Paytas]

And so anyway, manifested it for you.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah. That night I was like, yo, what the. When I got back to my Airbnb. And so then every time I'd have, like, ice cream after that, like, oh, my God. Like, it was like, I triggered me so bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Benny knew.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah. And so I DM'd him months later, and I was like, I hope you know you cursed me that day.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he said.

[Harry Daniels]

He was like, oh. We started DMing and stuff. And then like, yep, A little friendship with him. Right? Yeah. I have to introduce him to Barry.

[Trisha Paytas]

Never met before. Maybe you'll see my Coachella.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Oh, my God. I actually literally almost brought him to Coachella and I was like, if he gets dusty, like, dustier than he is.

[Trisha Paytas]

You can clean them. Right?

[Harry Daniels]

Okay. You know, the problem is a lot of his fur is, like, matted now because it's been like 14 years, and it's like. Yeah. So he's, like, been through a lot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Poor Barry. He looks great, though, right? What other icons have you seen or what have you been doing? You've been filming for Disney.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, my gosh. You know what actually happened? I literally. I met with my agents about this yesterday. Oh, my gosh. I literally.

[Trisha Paytas]

Agents. You don't have to say I'm out.

[Harry Daniels]

Loud by, like, with uta. I'm with.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were you always with them? Congrats.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, I've been with UTA for, like, the last year. Because you know what? The thing is, when I actually, when I signed to, like, all the agencies, because, like, I've told you about this, my end goal was always music. Like, I, like, I do not give a. Being an influencer, like, that's the thing. That's why I feel like I, Like, I don't have that. Like, you have a relationship with your audience that, like, I. I just don't have in the sense. It's like, I don't talk to, like, the Internet.

[Trisha Paytas]

But they would love to hear you. You should talk more. They love when you're on here. Like, people love to hear you talk.

[Harry Daniels]

I know. You know what the thing is? I think it's more of, like, when you start talking to the Internet, people will start having unrealistic expectations of you. Like, does that ever happen to you? Like, people in your comments are, like, holding you to a standard that, like, uncomfortable.

[Trisha Paytas]

We were talking about that right before he came in was like, the Michaela. Her recent. You know, Michaela on TikTok.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. People really hold her to a very high stand. Like, well, you're an influencer, so this is what you should get. You should expect.

[Harry Daniels]

Right? And, like, for me, I just, like, I struggle with that. Like, I, like, when I, like, started doing all this, like, my biggest inspiration was, like, Dua Lipa. It's, like, one of my biggest inspirations. And she's, like, known for, like, she doesn't. She doesn't give you. Like, she won't give you that interpersonal relationship, but she'll give you, like. Like, she'd rather work, like, three times harder to get to the same destination as someone who, like, will be like, hey, guys, like, my agent was telling me, like, you should start vlogging. I was like, girl, because no one wants to see me go to Coachella. Hey, guys, I'm walking around the Artist Village right now. Oh, my God, is that Katy Perry? I just feel like, for me, it's like, one of those things where I'm like, I like to come on here and, like, talk about it, but then, like, I, like, I need that separation because it's like, I. I'm a really anxious person as well. And so like, I need it to be like, on certain terms as well. So it's like I would rather share things and have it come out in the music. So I was talking to UCA about that. Like, you need to start documenting that process so people know it exists. So like, that's literally been like my entire brain for like the last like, like literally since like the top of the year. Because I finally had time off at the end of the year because like I'm constantly like, do you guys remember last year I was literally every five seconds I was here, New York.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

And so like, I finally had time where I was in one place for more than like a week. And so I. I literally just like, I like lived in the studio for like a few months and so I like did a bunch of stuff and now I have to like finish it. But I had a meeting with my agents about it because they're like, you should like. I gave them the timeline because the song was supposed to come out in like July, but now I'm like, I don't know. So I'm like. Because they're like, you need to polish everything. Because like I look at like someone like Addison Rae who came from the same like so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

Origins. Right? And I'm like, okay, well, it's like people took it serious because it was really good. Like it was the full package.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or like she was working with like Max Martin.

[Harry Daniels]

Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

Or like even like, like, like Alex Warren. It's like, it's really good.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, he's gonna be on Jimmy Fallon tonight. I was like, wow, Jimmy Fallon Arenas, like, right? Yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

And it's like. Cuz it's like, it's that like. Yeah. So like they literally were like, don't come unless you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, he also basically 5,000 times a day of his song, which I don't think is a bad thing, but maybe he just. Every Alex Warren one is just like, you know, just hear over and over again. And it's so good. I love it. Yeah. So you have to just post your song over, but you haven't even. You haven't released any yet.

[Harry Daniels]

No, I released like one song and it was like literally when I was with my old PR firm and like literally the promo I literally only released because everyone around me was like, you need to release something. And it was like so horrible.

[Trisha Paytas]

The song was bad.

[Harry Daniels]

It was just like one of those things where like, I like, I just like, I. When you put me against like a timeline, it's like, I'm gonna get stressed and I'm like gonna procrastinate to last minute and then it's gonna come like really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, we talked. Did we talk about this on Hot Topics or. We're talking about it where it's like sometimes like the push like the PR around a song. We talking about this.

[Oscar]

Oh yeah. With like Britney Broski cuz she kind of just like surprise released but like didn't do too much like promo around it.

[Trisha Paytas]

You need like a hype. You need to like hype it and go on tours and promote it and stuff like that. I think maybe you didn't do that enough because I didn't see it.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, like literally no one saw it. I was like, it's out. Bye. Because like one of my favorite things, one of my favorite people in the world is Ice Spice. Like I've talked about this a million times.

[Trisha Paytas]

We love her too. Yeah, she's great.

[Harry Daniels]

Every time she drops, it's like, it's out. Bye. And I'm like queen. Yeah. Like I'm like, I get her. But now I'm like, well babe, that doesn't work for you. Like you have to like the same.

[Trisha Paytas]

I put up one clip and I'm like there. See it's going. Or you're just seeing it. You'll see it or you won't.

[Harry Daniels]

I think I'm one of those people. It's like even like when I started doing the whole like can I sing for you? Series, I was so scared of being cringe that I was like, if. I bet if I'm so cringe that it's like the inverse, then it's like I'm like, it's like anti cringe almost. It's like so inherent.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're scared. You should lean into your cringe. I mean, because your content is that and mine is too. You know what I mean? The cringe factor is what people like about you.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, I mean that's what I'm learning now. It's like I almost like I've started to view it as like a show in the same way. It was like when I like I was thinking about this the other day, I'm like, well, Selena Gomez is really popular and like she came from a show. Like technically. Like my TikTok presence is no different than like a show that like she put on. Like, does this make sense? Yeah, like can I sing for you? Is my Wizards of Waverly Place.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's Montana.

[Harry Daniels]

Montana.

[Trisha Paytas]

Guys, are you gonna say did you. Are you asking now? Can you sing it or you're asking her?

[Harry Daniels]

No, Wait, what?

[Oscar]

That's the name of his show.

[Harry Daniels]

Like, Wizard Place is her show.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you said, can I sing for you?

[Harry Daniels]

Can I sing for you? Is my Wizards of Waverly Place.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can I sing for you? Is the name of your show?

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, like, because, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Got it.

[Harry Daniels]

A lot of times people come to me, like, are you the guy that sings people on TikTok? Like, guy who sings people on TikTok is my show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, got it. I thought, can I sing for you as your show there.

[Harry Daniels]

It's like you have two titles.

[Trisha Paytas]

The guy who sings for you or Can I sing for you is the name of your show.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, like, TikTok singer.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can I sing for you? I was like, you can if you want. Go for it. What's the Wizards of Waverly PLAYS THEME.

[Harry Daniels]

SONG well, you know, everything's gonna be a priesthood.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, you don't know the words.

[Harry Daniels]

Everything is not what it seems when you can get all you want in your wildest dream Everything is not. Do you know the words?

[Trisha Paytas]

I just know it.

[Harry Daniels]

I don't know. Yeah, this is like, what? This is like. This is like, Right? It's like, literally, this is like when I came on and we didn't know who was on Mount Rushmore.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Did we talk about this? I have no idea.

[Harry Daniels]

It's literally the example Madeline. Because Madeline helps. Like, anytime I do something with anyone, I'm like, literally. I'm like, you should go on the Trisha Paytas podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. What happened? Why don't. How come it's not happening? What do they say? Are they just like. No, they're like, what was happening?

[Harry Daniels]

A lot of times it goes through, like, teams and channels and stuff, and it's really annoying. No, it's like, sometimes it's like pictures don't even get to the person. Like, I literally remember. Oh, my God. This happened to me recently. I did a video with someone and they were saying, like, we met up, and I was, like, excited to see them, blah, blah, blah. And anyway, like, they basically were saying, like, you know, it's so funny that, like, we ran into each other because I literally told my label I wanted to do something with you, and I was just in New York and just, like, did not happen. Like, they didn't contact you at all? I was like, nope.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. Right.

[Harry Daniels]

It's like, it literally doesn't even make it to, like, the person to, like, sit or approve it. Like, that's the thing. It's like, that happens in my own Career. Like, I try to be very hands on with certain things, but, like, you have someone. Like, like when I did my thing with Tate McCrae, it was like legit. Like, she herself, like, I literally don't know Tay McCray. I've spoken to her, like, maybe once and like, that was the day I spoke to her. And like, I like, asked her, I'm like, do you want to, like, do a video? Because, like, it was like a whole year long chase with that girl. Like, not even her. It was her team. Like, oh, my gosh. And anyway, I'm like, oh, do you want to do it? And her manager's like, no, no, no, not right now, not right now. Like, that man is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

Like, that man is like legit crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who said that? How do you know she said that? Or you're just assuming she's.

[Harry Daniels]

No, like, I saw the vid. Like, it's like on video. Like, it's on tape. Like, I posted this. It's like, literally, it's like, I'm like, do you want to do it now? And then she's like, she looks at her manager and he's like, no, no, no, not right now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you post it?

[Harry Daniels]

I posted it. Yeah. I didn't care. I was like, all right. Well, I was like, well, then that's the video, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

That man is crazy. That's kind of iconic because, like, for.

[Harry Daniels]

A year they were like edging me with it. They were like, I think, yeah, like, are you gonna be here at this time? And so then every time we'd be in the same city, it'd be like, they'd go. So I'd be like, hey, I'm in the same city. Like, do you guys want to do something?

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, right, right.

[Harry Daniels]

Because think of someone like that. It's like, it's very hyper curated where it's like, not worth it.

[Trisha Paytas]

You got a video with her, so it's kind of worth it.

[Harry Daniels]

Well, it was like, it wasn't obviously the video that, like, I wanted, but it's like, who cares? It's like, whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

A video, right?

[Harry Daniels]

Exactly. It's like, let me count my blessings. But it's like, yeah, no, like, she herself is fine. It's like her, like, team is like, very.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's always, yeah, the team around, like, yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

So it's like, that tends to be like the biggest problem a lot of time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are you gonna be at a house this weekend?

[Harry Daniels]

Okay. What happened was I have a brand deal with Revolve and so they got me a hotel room.

[Trisha Paytas]

Thank you.

[Harry Daniels]

I'm really excited for it. They got me a hotel room. But the thing is, whenever I go to Coachella, I'm literally one of those people, like, can't be alone for, like, more than five minutes. Well, I can be alone, but the problem is, like, I'd love a beautiful alone. I love to be alone, too. But the problem is, like, I sit on my phone for, like, 20 hours. Like, when I was in London recently, like, Madeline literally had to. Kept. She had to keep telling people, like, if we don't make him do things, he's not gonna leave his room. And, like, that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I see. So you. You need someone to, like, stimulate you to get you out. I get that.

[Harry Daniels]

And so, like, the thing is, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

What are you in London for?

[Harry Daniels]

I was supposed to go see. Okay. This was never, like, a guaranteed thing, but it was, like, one of those things. Like, I was gonna go sing to the Pope, but then, like, he got really sick, and so we canceled it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, we canceled it because, like, how.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are you gonna get that? That's insane. That's.

[Oscar]

What were you gonna sing to the Pope?

[Harry Daniels]

I love you, Jesus.

[Oscar]

And I'm not kidding.

[Harry Daniels]

I'm not kidding.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would have.

[Harry Daniels]

We were gonna surprise you with it. And then, like, he started getting really sick, and so the whole thing got, like, kind of canceled because, like, I. It would have been a really poor taste to go up to the Pope when he's, like, on his. Like. Like on his deathbed, you know what I mean, and start singing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think he's recovered. No.

[Harry Daniels]

Did you see the recent photo of him?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm not up with it.

[Harry Daniels]

Right. Someone sent it to me, and he's not. He's like, yeah, he's not doing great. But, like, yeah, we were gonna try and do something with the Pope, and then, like, it just didn't really.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so cute.

[Harry Daniels]

Right? It didn't. It didn't pan out.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's okay. I love the thoughts.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

The idea always with you, because you always post in group chat. You're always like, okay, I'm gonna get you with this person. Like, the thought does count. You know what I mean? The fact that you pitch is so hard.

[Harry Daniels]

I mean, the thing is, it's like, once you have one point of contact, it's kind of. The rest becomes easy because, like, everyone knows everyone kind of vibe. So it's like, that is one thing I've learned. It's like, girl, if I ever need to get a hold of Instagram, like, someone Told me Instagram is the LinkedIn of the entertainment industry. And it's kind of true. Like, do y'all use LinkedIn or do you use Instagram to, like, connect with people?

[Oscar]

I used to use LinkedIn, but these days, more Instagram.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, Instagram for me, too. You use LinkedIn?

[Harry Daniels]

No, I don't have LinkedIn.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who has LinkedIn? Oh, I guess ask people who actually.

[Oscar]

You know, work.

[Harry Daniels]

Is, like. No, like, people who work corporate job. Like, I'm in. Like, we're independent contractors, so it's like we're our own bosses. But it's like 10.99, right, girl. Oh, my God. I literally sat. I've literally had to cancel, like, everything the last two days so I could sit and dig, do my taxes. Because do you compile your expenses? Like, like, when you put together your expenses, do you do it, like, throughout the year, or do you just, like, literally sit there and do it?

[Trisha Paytas]

I have a bookkeeper that does it every month for me.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, period.

[Trisha Paytas]

Spending.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, yeah. No, I like, legit, girl. I need to get a bookkeeper because, like, I legit just, like, I just do it myself. I'm like. And this was an expense.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's insane. I have probably, like, thousands of transactions a month. That'd be insane to do it myself.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah. That's why it took me two days to sit there and just, like, to put it together.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, good for you for doing that.

[Harry Daniels]

It's, like, a lot, though. Like, it is a lot. I've been doing it since I was, like, 16, because I was. I had an ebay business when I was 16.

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

This is so funny. I. I talked about some of my canceled podcast episode that never made it to air. It was like, where is it? It was, like, legit. Such, like, a horrible episode, like, we talked about.

[Trisha Paytas]

Never aired it.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, like, I legit. Like, Tana was like, yeah. Because, like, we were talking about things, and then we're like, oh. And then I, like, literally was like, honestly, I was literally just like, like, watching at the Foot. And I was like, honestly, the episode definitely sucks because we, like, spent.

[Trisha Paytas]

You watched it?

[Harry Daniels]

No, I lived it. And it was like, we spent two hours talking about, like, a whole lot of nothing. And so, like, I literally told her. I was like. Because, like, the thing is, too, like, I had just gotten media training, like, two weeks prior, and, like, the whole point. The whole point of media training is, like, they teach you how to answer things concisely and how to, like, keep a conversation flowing and blah, blah, blah, and like, girl, the media training went out the window for that episode. Like, we literally talk about anything. Because, like, I went on there to promote, like, that song that had come out, and then, like, literally, we did not talk about it. It's like, oh, yeah, I put out a song, guys. Oh, okay, cool. So what did you think about, like, this? And I was like, yeah. And like, we literally didn't steer it at all.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, we did so on YouTube. Talk so much. I can't imagine you not having control over conversation.

[Harry Daniels]

Well, it wasn't even like, the thing is, it's like, more so. So you're not stumbling over your words, vibes. Like, I feel like that's what people don't understand about media training. It's not where it's like, they teach you how to answer a question. Like, yeah, they teach you how to answer a question, but in a concise way. So it's like, it's up to you to put the answer together. But it's not like, I don't think it's, like, a bad. Yeah, like, everyone's like, this person. Like, the media training went out the window. Like, no, it didn't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, and everyone on their Patreon or anything. Anything. The cancel episode.

[Harry Daniels]

I told them, they put it on Patreon and then, like, I don't know what happened, but, like, I honestly don't really, like. Yeah, but we were talking about. Wait, what was I talking about?

[Trisha Paytas]

When you went on canceled, you were telling the story.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, my God. Yes, I was talking about something cancel. Yes, I remember this. See, this is like, this is literally what happened with canceled.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm the same way. I can't remember either what I'm about to say.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, so I went on canceled, and I was. I basically. The way I was paying my bills and, like, this is literally how I financed do everything for, like, five years until I was actually making money from, like, social media stuff. I basically, like, would go to Urban Outfitters, and I would go to the Bargain Bin, and I would buy all the vinyls that were 4.99 and then I put them on eBay for, like, $30 wholesale. Because the thing is, like, especially during COVID like, you couldn't go out. Like, this was so weird. The first thing that opened during COVID like, legit wasn't restaurants.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was.

[Harry Daniels]

It was literally Urban Outfitters.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love that they were on it. They're like, we don't care.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, like, legit.

[Oscar]

Very Vanessa Hudgens.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, literally.

[Trisha Paytas]

That does fit the vibe.

[Harry Daniels]

Like, two months into Covet, And Urban Outfitters was open. I was like, oh, wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

And so we're back. Right?

[Harry Daniels]

But because, like, no more shopping store. Everything was so cheap. So, like, I would legit go and buy, like, Sabrina Carpenter album for $4, and I put on eBay for 30.

[Trisha Paytas]

And. Wow.

[Harry Daniels]

When you're 16, 25, like, 10 times a day is, like 250. So it's like, I thought I was literally rich.

[Trisha Paytas]

And that's when you started. Your taxes was.

[Harry Daniels]

No, like, yeah. Because I got to the point where I have to report to the irs.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're making that much?

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, it got to that point because it was like that. And that's how I was, like, making money. So now Urban will never discount anything to 4.99 because, like, enough people. I think they caught on to, like, enough people started doing it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah. Because now there's, like, a whole community of resellers on, like, Discord. It's like, a whole thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Harry Daniels]

But it's like, yeah. People used to, like, really go to, like, urban and, like, bargain bin dive. Because the thing is, like, I wasn't gonna, like. Because the thing is, it's like, I was never gonna be obnoxious with it and put something up at, like, 500 that I got for, like, legit $4. But I'm like, okay, like, I put it for $30.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like, yeah, the values there. People want to see it.

[Harry Daniels]

Right. I was like, it's like a vinyl. It's not like, that's the thing. It's like, I hate when people go to, like, a thrift store and they, like, jack up the prices. Like, that's screwed up because, like, thrift stores are for people who, like, can't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, right.

[Harry Daniels]

You know what I mean? But it's like, okay, like, a vinyl is a luxury. Like, going like, girl, you're not going to Urban Outfitters to, like. You know what I mean? Because, like, oh, you're on a budget.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But you're smart. That's what people do. The collectors, they find the cheap ones and sell it for what it's worth.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah. I always say when people are doing a small business, you should, like, niche down. Like, even, like, because in any business, you should always niche down. Because, like, the thing is, when you're doing something that's, like, mass marketable, it's like. Like, there's no heart and soul to it. Like, even, like, with my content, like, especially when I was first doing it, like, I would always try to reference something that was, like, really obscure that, like, Only like the true core fans would get because like that's who I was targeting. It wasn't like random people because like you tell someone like Sabrina Carpenter and like the Sabrina Carpenter I met a year, that was the first video I ever did. And so the Sabrina Carpenter I met in 2022 is so much different from like 2023. Because like the video I did with her in 2022 was like, like that became lore for me to reference then. So it was like it became self referential. So it was like. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And have you met her recently? No.

[Harry Daniels]

I went to her tour though in London. It was a really good show recently. Like this when I was in London, that was one of the things I did. And like the thing is like I'm honestly like when it comes to arena tours I'm really skeptical just cuz I'm like a lot of the problems I have with people who go on arena tours now and this isn't even about anyone, it's like more so just people will do tours with the intent of making it feel like an arena tour. But rather than making a spectacle to feel like a spectacle, rather than it just inherently being a spectacle. Like when Miley Cyrus came out rolling, riding down her like slide, that was like supposed to be her tongue. Like that's a spectacle. Like because it's a spectacle, right? Not because they're trying to do something shocking. And so the thing I thought Sabrina.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was more of a spectacle. Trying to be a spectacle.

[Harry Daniels]

No, I thought it was like a spectacle. Like I thought she did a good job. It was like a really well put together showed. Well, it wasn't too. I thought it was like a really great show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you like that? Because some people criticized her for only having like an hour 10 show.

[Harry Daniels]

But that's what I like. I mean the thing is like she's not gonna do the Disney songs and so it's like what's that gonna leave her with like album cuts? It's like especially in the uk, like it's such a different culture there. Like I think for her like it was a really great show. I think it was short and sweet. Haha.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what she advertises, right?

[Harry Daniels]

It worked really well. I thought it was just like in out. Like it was straight to the point. Like I don't like when there's filler in shows.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like that's mine. Hour 10 show, no opener.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, I love.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait.

[Harry Daniels]

Okay, this is my hottest take. I. I can't. I'm someone who shows up. I always Try to find out when the artist goes on stage. Cuz unless the opener is someone I actually like, previously care about, I won't show.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's not how we talk about it here. I didn't know there was openers at shows. I went to shows and I'm like, who's this person on at 7 o'clock? And they don't come on till 9. Now I know that one. Coming to a show. But I was like, damn. I really was sitting there like an hour before the opener. Then the opener came and I'm like, yeah, I think it's. I don't think it's a hot take. It's why I don't have openers. I'm like, people want to come see Trish, you know?

[Harry Daniels]

No, like literally. Yeah, like, I. I don't love going to a show when there's an opener unless it's someone who I think is like, really cool.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like Rebecca Black.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, like, I love Rebecca Black.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would go to the Katy Perry lifetimes just for her.

[Harry Daniels]

Right. Like, I think like, you go to.

[Trisha Paytas]

That tour maybe, I don't know.

[Oscar]

Oh, I thought you. I thought you were like, oh, I can't say no.

[Harry Daniels]

It's like literally one of those things where it's like sometimes like, literally things just pop up in my. Like, if there's like a day in my. I'm like, I want to go to this. Like, literally. It's like if I want, like when the Georgia Smith shows happen. I love Georgia Smith. And like, she's having no idea.

[Oscar]

This.

[Harry Daniels]

One R B singer. And anyway, she played like the night I came back from London, I was literally just like, eh, I'll see what I feel like doing when I land. I was tired so I didn't go. So it's like literally one of those things. It's like, it literally just depends on like my vibe because I don't want to like, put in the request for tickets or I don't want to buy the ticket. I don't want it to be a whole thing. And then like, oh, he doesn't even feel like going because, like, girl, then I could have gone to someone who actually cared.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you have connections at these venues that you get to see the artists, like, backstage?

[Harry Daniels]

It really goes through, like, their teams or their labels. So it's like when I did Wallows, it was sort of like, okay. I had sang to Dylan. We talked about you, by the way.

[Trisha Paytas]

Dylan who?

[Harry Daniels]

When I was backstage with Balls, I talked to them about you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. What did he say?

[Oscar]

Do you know Dylan? You mentioned him. You got.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, he was one of 13 reasons why he played Clay Jensen.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, love.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah. He's in a band now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Okay. What did he say?

[Harry Daniels]

He loves you. Like, he likes you.

[Trisha Paytas]

What did you. What did you say?

[Harry Daniels]

Because I told you, every time I meet anyone, it's on. You should go on Patricia Paytas podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is why I love you. That's crazy.

[Harry Daniels]

But I was.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's why that guy called you crazy. He's like, get away from this person.

[Harry Daniels]

I was like, no, that was like. He was scary. I was like, he didn't want to hear the pitch.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was crazy.

[Harry Daniels]

I basically though with that, it was like, okay, I met Dylan at Coachella, and, like, I did a video with him. And then, like, people in the comments were dogpiling his girlfriend. He's like. So he reached out. He's like, hey, like, I need you to take this down. I was like, yeah, of course. Because, like, the videos are supposed to be, like, feel good. They're supposed to be fun. They're supposed to be, like, fun. Like, cringy, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

What happened to the. What was the girlfriend doing?

[Harry Daniels]

She walked past because she, like, didn't know that. That, like, she was being filmed by, like, she didn't know what was going on. And so she just kept walking. Or she didn't want to be in the video. Like, it doesn't really. It's just whatever. She kept walking or like, I was like, that nasty, blah, blah. And, like, girl. He was like, whoa. Because, like, they just started dating, too. It was a new relationship.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was, like, good for him.

[Harry Daniels]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Staying up for his girl. Yes.

[Harry Daniels]

He stood up for her. And I was like, yeah, of course. And so then months later, I ran into Braden, who's another member of the band, like, Tenants of the Trees. This one bar I go to a lot out here. And anyway, we just, like, became friends there. Like, we were, like, talking. We became friends. And then a few months later, they're playing in my hometown. And, like, not my hometown, but, like, I just call Long island in general my hometown, because that's where I'm from. But yeah, so they were playing in Long Island. I was like, oh, you guys are playing in Long Island? I have to go. And so then when they're like, all right, come hang out after.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow, you're, like, befriending all these people, too.

[Harry Daniels]

So, like, that was like, an instance where it's like. That's where it's like, okay. Like, you just ask the artist directly and leave them to love you backstage.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's your biggest manifestation for 2025?

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait.

[Harry Daniels]

You know what's so funny? Rihanna's doing okay with. My biggest manifestation for 2025 is that I actually put out the music, and then it's actually gonna be, like, a thing, and it'll be good and, like. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. What's Rihanna doing?

[Harry Daniels]

Rihanna's doing the Smurfs movie, and I really want to meet her, like, on the press run for the Smurfs movie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it a new one?

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, she's playing Smurfette.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, Shakati Perry's nachos that she's Smurfette. I wonder what happened.

[Harry Daniels]

I thought Nevada was Smurfette at one point, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Damn. They're changing it around.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, it's gonna be good. It's a pop girl rite of passage to do Smurfette.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that Rihanna's like, no music, but I'm gonna do a Smurf movie.

[Harry Daniels]

No, she's doing music for the Smurfs movie. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's gagged. Oh, my God. Do you get invited to, like, the Ariana events that influencers are going to?

[Harry Daniels]

Okay, no. Like, I got Ariana at Wicked, and that was, like, the weirdest thing that has ever happened because she knew who I. Okay. Like, I ran into her friend Courtney, and she's like, we love you. I was like, oh. And then, like, I met her later that night, and she knew exactly who I was, and I was like, yeah. Like, this is crazy, but you didn't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Get invited to the influencer event that everyone was at. Did you see? It was like, Das Mendoza was there.

[Harry Daniels]

I saw that. But I was like, okay, like, one. I kind of just did it with Ariana and, too. Like, I would have loved to sit and have a conversation with her, but, like, I literally definitely would have sat there. I've been like, okay. I think about this all the time. Like, Ariana Grande. Like, I would, like, literally, like, if I had to spend a day. Like, no one could survive a day in that girl's shoes. Like, one. I feel like people are. I've talked about this before. People are always projecting Ariana Grande. People were projecting their divorce trauma onto her, like, two years ago. And then, like, all of the, like, horrible stuff happened to her from, like, that 2017 to, like, 2020 stretch. It's just, like, a lot.

[Oscar]

It's like.

[Harry Daniels]

And then people get, like, so weird. Like, Paige Neiman, and you're a freak. Like, girl, stop it. Because it's like, okay, it was one thing when you're being a person here, but then you sit and you go on, like, make a only fans, and.

[Trisha Paytas]

You'Re like, oh, true Ariana girl.

[Harry Daniels]

That's weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, yeah, yeah, don't use the likeness for some adults content. Right?

[Oscar]

Like, that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's.

[Harry Daniels]

No. And so, like, with that, like, with Ariana Grande, like, I literally probably would have sat there and, like, literally just started crying. Like, I feel so bad for you because people are so weird to you.

[Trisha Paytas]

She probably would be very. I feel like she's, like, into trauma dumpers. I feel like she'd be empathetic to it.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, for sure. But it wouldn't even be my trauma dumping. It'd be, like, me trauma dumping about her trauma too. Like, what?

[Trisha Paytas]

I love Ariana too.

[Harry Daniels]

No, I really love her.

[Trisha Paytas]

We didn't get invited either, but maybe the next one.

[Harry Daniels]

No, you guys were too ahead of your time, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you're right. Ten years from now, we'll look back, like, wow, why aren't they at the REM beauty event?

[Harry Daniels]

You know, honestly, it's. Sometimes it's, like, really random things. It's like, when I got invited to the People's Choice Awards, I saw, like, Rolling Stone was talking about that recently. I was like, how are we still on the sky, guys? Like, gay son thought daughter on a red carpet. I was like, who? I was like, no. It's so funny, because I'm like, no one but journalists are talking. Yeah, it's, like, funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're always a little.

[Harry Daniels]

I did this one podcast, and it, like, legit was like, oh, my God. She asked me about it, and then it was like. I was like, this is a really dated question. I'm so mad I did that damn podcast. It was Sophia with an F. And, like, I've actually been, like, literally waiting for her to go on a podcast so I can sit and dog on this girl. I'm literally like, this is my. No, this is, like, air.

[Trisha Paytas]

It aired.

[Harry Daniels]

And here's the problem with it. So I did. It was promoting that. I did it in advance to promote that one song. I put out that, like, literally, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

What is the song? You said the title of the song.

[Harry Daniels]

It was called I'm Him. It was like, legit non event.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm Him.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, but it was. I was clearly. You weren't, girl, you have to know.

[Trisha Paytas]

You, girl, you clearly were.

[Harry Daniels]

It was like, okay, I put out this song, right? And so I, like, was talking to my team, and the thing is, like, this is this is on me because, like, I would literally turn something in, and then I would, like, send it to someone, and they'd be like, you should change this. I'm like, they're right. And I would legit have to change the font.

[Trisha Paytas]

Listen to too much outside criticism. Yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

Like, I'm like, literally one of those people. It's like. Like, I like, one thing about me. Like, I, like, literally constantly need, like, validation. So anyway, I basically. Yeah. So I do this podcast. Like, the single podcast I did. No, I did that, and I think I did, like, Zach Sangers going to promote it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, wow, you were making the rounds.

[Harry Daniels]

That was the two podcasts I did promote. Anyway, so we delay the song back a month, and so they're like, okay, well, then, like, we. We're gonna air this when we air it. And then, like, they reach out in January, like, hey, we're airing this. I was like, girl, like, we moved on from the song. Like, don't air it. Like, it's just like, it's a bad, dated interview. It's like if. Like, if someone interviewed you, like, at that point, it's like six months, especially in, like, Internet time. Like, girl, that's like, oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

We've held, like, for a couple months when I was, like, pregnant. But six months and that's a long time, right? Is crazy.

[Harry Daniels]

It was like, yeah, I think I filmed in August. And like, she was like, I'm gonna air this now in, like, mid January or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Harry Daniels]

Like, six months. And so I was like, scrap it. And she wouldn't scrap it. And I was like, girl. Like, she wouldn't know. She ignored everyone's requests to scrap. Like, mad. I reach out like, hey, like, this actually can't go up till a later date. Until, like, we, like, figure out, like, what's going. What the hell is going on in Harryland, girl? She put it up and it was just, like, it was annoying because I was like, girl, I didn't give you a good interview. And so it's like, yeah, what are you doing? I'm like, oh, like, I like coming on here because, like, I feel like I. Like, I can, like, be myself, obviously. Like, I come on here and I say things and I'm like, oh, should I have said, like, whatever? Like, the viewers of just. The viewers of. Just get what I'm trying to say.

[Trisha Paytas]

We have more on your team today. They'll be, like, clocking it for you, getting their little notes and stuff like that. You've expanded this.

[Oscar]

Congratulations big now yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

We have four people here today.

[Harry Daniels]

Okay. One is Madeline, who's like been coming with me to everything. And then Emily, my publicist. Hi.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hi.

[Harry Daniels]

This is so funny because I. I'm like the worst. It's like literally like, I'm the worst person. I like, have PR because, like, I literally just do things. I'm like, this is coming out today and I like, oh, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't give not enough notice. That's why your song's not blowing up. You got.

[Harry Daniels]

That's. That's why, like part of the biggest reason why I hired them. Like, guys, like, I need you to help me with this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, you need to give them some notice so they know how to pop you out.

[Harry Daniels]

Have to give them notice for that. But like, for everything else, like I literally said. I was like, they're like, do you want us to help and get involved? Like the booking for Trish? I was like, no, I'll just text Oscar.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oscar's my PR only guest.

[Harry Daniels]

No, I literally, like, I literally like, guys, like, this is the best show ever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my.

[Harry Daniels]

Like, this is the best show ever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. We love. You're the best guest ever. That's why you're back. I think you're our most recurring guest probably.

[Oscar]

Honestly. Yeah. At this point. Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

At least three, I guess.

[Oscar]

You and Tana. Yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

Well, he's like also three times, so it's like he's. We're tied with him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Last time you came, you got us Build a Bear. We have our axolotl. Build a Bear.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh my God. I have to get you something for the baby.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you don't have. I was just saying. I know every time you come, you bring 10 build a bears with you. Don't worry.

[Harry Daniels]

We already thought about this yesterday and I was sad. Build a Bear was closed.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was it? Why was it closed yesterday?

[Harry Daniels]

Cuz we were going to get there at like 7pm Because I spent all day doing like taxes. What else did I do yesterday? And then if I can be with my agents to like literally sit and cry about my music for like five hours.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do they say? Are they. What are the advice they give you?

[Harry Daniels]

They literally just like delay it as long as you need. Which I was like, exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's nice.

[Harry Daniels]

No, but it's literally that meme where it's like, it be too dumb telling each other. Exactly, exactly.

[Oscar]

Program.

[Harry Daniels]

Like, I'm waiting for someone to tell me. Yeah, you should delay it so I can like delay it further.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm going to give you the Opposite advice. I think you need to put it out asap and you need to really get those sound promos. You need to be like, posting 5,000 times.

[Oscar]

Sing it to Lady Gaga.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sing it to Lady Gaga. Sing your song to everyone. I just keep singing the I'm him song to everybody and someone's gonna be like, let's catch up on this, you know?

[Harry Daniels]

You know what, like, literally happened? I did like this whole promo. Like, I had this whole rollout plan. And then like, I literally just like, me and Madeline were like, meh about it. Like, it was just like, why you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Need to hype yourself up?

[Harry Daniels]

Well, the thing is, like, it was just like the problem with like the release date Too was like October 18th. Okay. Like two weeks after that is Halloween. And then like, right. That everything just goes immediately Christmas. So it's like, I'm not gonna promote like this like, whole song and then like, Christmas.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, this is the time now. It's like spring, summer.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, I know. Yeah. But like, even now I'm like, I have like a, like I have like a proper team now, so it's not.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like they're helping you.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah, it's like, I can like, figure it out now. Cuz the thing is like, for me, it's all very like, about like, doing things digitally. Because even like when I do and I'm definitely gonna like, shoot myself in the mouth when I say this. She's like, oh, God.

[Trisha Paytas]

In the mouth. And the foot.

[Harry Daniels]

The foot, whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. The mouth is crazy.

[Harry Daniels]

I always get scared to do traditional interviews, like press written interview interviews. Because, like, I feel like I'll like, I'll give a good interview and then like, I'll read it. I'm like, oh my God, you're like the worst person ever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like yourself.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Harry Daniels]

I'm like, wait, I'm like, you literally sound, like, insufferable. Like, if I read this, if I like. Because the thing is, you have to read the interviews if it's not yourself. Because, like, if you're like a random person on the Internet who doesn't like, know the context. So it's like they're always very high stress for me. So I love coming on a podcast because it's a lot more difficult for things to get taken out of context because, like, well, they're surrounding footage.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, no, definitely in a print interview, they. They can spin it whichever way. You know, they take like little clips of what you said and they'll spin it. But here you're just yourself. And people love you on here. Yeah, well, I'm excited to see you in New York next week. This is so exciting.

[Harry Daniels]

I'm so excited. I literally, when I didn't go to Broadway, I was devastated.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. Well, we didn't have access. Like, we weren't controlling that. We had, like, producers that were controlling tickets and, like. No, but I wanted you. That's what I literally said before you came. I was so sad because you always are so supportive when I come to the shows and at Wicked and anything like that.

[Harry Daniels]

So I was just, like, happy to see you do it. And like, I, like, I loved the live stream and I was, I was. It was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you watch live stream.

[Harry Daniels]

Thank you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I love New York. I love it. I'm so excited to be back. Like, I really do love it.

[Harry Daniels]

It's like your home away from home.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I would love to come there. Like more full. Like at least part. Like more full time, part time. You know what I mean?

[Harry Daniels]

Like, not Broadway show, Radio City show.

[Oscar]

No, I can't commute right now because I have a back injury, so I am stationary. Yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

You know what I found out recently? You actually know what I got. And this, like, literally is not, not like, okay, I like, literally, I sit on my phone all day and I go to a chiropractor and.

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah, I saw that on your close friends story.

[Harry Daniels]

Actually, my chiropractor is my favorite person on the planet. Like, I literally, like, I like, oh, she tells me everything I want to hear about, like, how horrible my body. She's like, yeah, you have the body of like an 80 year old.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, you're 21. You look so good.

[Harry Daniels]

No, it's like I like, I look fine, but like, I'm hunched over all the time on my phone being like. And so because of that, like, it screwed up my shoulders and neck. But now I keep getting asthma for you pain page of like, TikTok Shop, like neck massagers. And I just bought one. So it's like, I get you. It's like I like, literally can't sit in like certain positions for like, certain prolonged.

[Oscar]

Yeah, it's good that you're correcting it now, though, because by the time you're my age, it's. I look at Harry like a little me a lot of the times too. I'm like, it's just my little brother Harry.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you do. Oscar loves you. I love you too. But Oscar's like Harry's Becca. Tabitha. You can always text me too. I know. We have like group chats and stuff like that.

[Harry Daniels]

I know. I always get scared to text you because I'm like, I know she's busy. I'm like, girl, she's like a mother of, like, two, almost three now.

[Trisha Paytas]

I am busy these days, but I'm still down for a text. And I am the worst texter. I will never.

[Harry Daniels]

I'm so happy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

No, you're so fat. You're 10 times better than I am.

[Trisha Paytas]

You have, like, 10 group chats going.

[Harry Daniels]

2,000 unread text messages right now, guys.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, wow. That would bother me. Oh, my God. 2000's crazy.

[Harry Daniels]

I'll get to you when I get to you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Exactly.

[Oscar]

At least for us. You're always.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you're always.

[Harry Daniels]

No, I'm prompt with you guys, but, like, a lot of times, mad. I'm like, hey, did you see this? I'm like, no. Literally, yesterday, they. I was reaching out because I'm supposed to do this interview at Coachella with, like, paper or something in any way. I. Emily literally texted me. She's one of my publicists. And she asked me. She's like, hey, like, this is the journalist. And I literally replied. I was like, who's the journalist? And she was like. And she repeated herself.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, oh, oh, the journalist texted you. I've done that faux pas many times.

[Harry Daniels]

No, like, she texted me who the journalist was gonna be, and I was like, oh, okay. Do you know who the journalist is gonna be?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, oh, I see. Oh, it wasn't the journalist texting you.

[Harry Daniels]

No, it was like, Emily. Yeah, Emily Madeline. They were like, okay, yeah, you have this interview with who?

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, that's not bad. At least it wasn't the journalist. I've had that happen for sure, where it's like, someone. I'm like, who the hef is this person? Like, it's actually me. And I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, my God. I'm trying. I hate. Like, I'm really someone who's like, I need to see a visual of the person first because I've, like, literally, I'm so bad at recognizing people, which is funny because that's my whole job. But it's like, I. Like, I have to know who's who, but it's like, girl, I have the worst facial bias. I DM someone recently, and I was like, hey, like, I'm coming to la. Like, we should go out. And they're like, we've met. I was like, it's like, like, who are you? And they were like, we've met multiple times.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, Whoops. I'm the same way. It's hard. It's hard out there. You know what? Hot Topic, we forgot. I know. We're like, running out of time. We forgot the JoJo Siwa Mickey work Hot Topic.

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was that a hot topic or. We just talked about it.

[Oscar]

I just saw it right before we started, though. But I didn't see the full. The full cuz it was a preview for that.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, I saw that. I saw something about it, but then I didn't click on it. You know, it's amazing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, saw it but didn't click on it. Yeah, I was like, jojo's in Celebrity Big Brother right now. Have you been watching?

[Harry Daniels]

No, but I've heard about this. And like, I'm. I saw the promo ad for her. I was like, queen. That's the thing about JoJo Siwa. I love JoJo Siwa because. Okay, like, is she, like, is she a friend of the show or. No?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so. I like her. I've always defended.

[Oscar]

Trisha is banned from the JoJo Siwa now podcast. But it is she. There's an open invitation to just. Trish.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love her. I do love her. Yeah, she banned me, but here she.

[Harry Daniels]

I'm trying to think, who do I literally. Oh, my God, you know who. Because I keep meaning to do this podcast. I keep meaning to go on the Abby Lee Miller podcast. I love Abby Lee Miller.

[Trisha Paytas]

Definitely not the show.

[Harry Daniels]

Not for another show at all. I like, I think Abby Lee Miller is like, like, she's like, iconic. Like, you know, there's so many. There's so many moments that's like, love her, hate her. Like, like, girl with the bad haircut. I know. You know?

[Oscar]

Of course I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Don't you think it's a little bit of child humiliation slash child abuse? Like a grown woman making fun of a child's haircut?

[Harry Daniels]

Like, yeah, but it was really funny regardless.

[Oscar]

Like, okay.

[Harry Daniels]

Like, she's my problematic fave.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, we all have Wild Tang, Harry, whatever.

[Harry Daniels]

Young Abby Lee Miller. Like, like, she's like, that's the thing about entertainers. Like, they don't have to, like. I feel like it's like, you have to be entertaining. That's the job. And I'm like, she keeps us on our toes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you know Mickey Warwick?

[Harry Daniels]

I know of him. I know. Wasn't he in, like, the wrestler?

[Oscar]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He went into the Celebrity Big Brother house. He's going in tonight, and he gets. He gets talking to for being homophobic towards JoJo Sihua. I saw the clip where she's doing the conga line. She tells him to come in and join the conga line. And he said something like, oh, so you're like. She's like, you have a girlfriend. Yeah. He's like, well, if I stay in this house longer than four weeks, you won't be gay anymore. And she goes, no, I will be gay. I'm in a happy relationship. And then he proceeds to go, I'm voting the lesbian out. And she goes, you can't say that. It's homophobic. So then big brother has a talking to him, and big, this is homophobic. And everyone's like, yeah, you can't say that. And then he says, I need a fag. And they're like, you can't say that either. And he's like, no, a cigarette. But he was obviously referring to Jojo. So he's getting canceled for being homophobic. And. Yeah, it's in the news right now. It's a hot topic.

[Harry Daniels]

Well, that's why he lost the Oscar period.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ended homophobia with that.

[Harry Daniels]

He lost the Oscar.

[Trisha Paytas]

This Oscar.

[Harry Daniels]

He lost two Oscars.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sisters. I love that. You know the wrestler. That's so.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Long ago.

[Harry Daniels]

I'm super into, like, cinema. Cinema. Yeah.

[Oscar]

The Substance. Really early. You knew from the jump.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, my God, Really?

[Oscar]

Was that the premiere? The Harry Daniels Close Friends story. And that's why I got all my team.

[Harry Daniels]

I went on the Close Friends story.

[Trisha Paytas]

And.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, my God, I literally remember when the Substance got nominated for best Picture, I legit remember I gave this interview to this one publication. I was at the premiere and they were like, asking me all these questions. They're like, so why are you here? And I was like, well, I actually, like. I like, I love going, like, for me, I love going to fruits because, I mean, we've talked about this a million times. I will forever be fanned out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

Like, I'll forever. Like, I. I'm not even kidding you. Like, I talk about this. I talk about every 5 seconds how much I love Ice Spice. She was at my friend's birthday party recently, and I met her, and I legit was like. It was like word vomit. Like, you don't know what you mean to me. And she's like, what? Because it's like, it's Ice Spice.

[Trisha Paytas]

She didn't. She wasn't like, holding your hands. Be like, thank you.

[Harry Daniels]

She was really nice. She's like, thank you so much. But I was like, Like, I was literally active. I was meeting Princess Diana.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I mean, part of it is our modern day queen. Yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah. Like, that literally is my Princess Diana.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I love my spice, too. That's your charm. You're 21. You're a fan of these people. Like, you know, I love that too. I love being. I love fanning out to people. That's, like, the best. I think if I could sing to anyone, I'd sing to My Chemical Romance. They're doing it. Do you know them?

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah. I love my.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have you ever sang?

[Harry Daniels]

No. I want to sing to Gerard Way. Can we go together?

[Trisha Paytas]

Can you tell me how? Like, they're gonna be at the Dodger Stadium. They're doing a stadium tour this year.

[Harry Daniels]

I think it's gonna be the Forum.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was at the Forum a couple years ago, but now they're doing Dodgers this year.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

And so find a way for us to sing to him. For sure.

[Harry Daniels]

Let me see what I can do.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I love that. I'm proud of you as, like, a young gen Z er to know this. That's so exciting.

[Harry Daniels]

I. Yeah, I love all of that stuff. I think. I think it's. I literally was actually going through my expenses ironically, and I found I sold a My Chemical Romance vinyl because, like, I was downsizing my collection. Because, guys, last year, like, I was so broke, I'm not even gonna, like, sit and lie. Like, guys, I was so broke last year because I was, like, literally burning money because, like, I had to, like, like, if I wanted to. Like, when I, like, I lost money on Coachella last year because, like, I got paid to go, but it was like, I. Like, what I got paid wasn't enough to cover everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tiana's not going for this year for that reason. She gets so expensive.

[Harry Daniels]

It's really expensive. And it's like, they. They were really stingy with brand deals this year. So it's like, everyone gets paid to go usually, but this year, no one got paid to go, so it's like skipping it. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, you're not. You. You're gonna go. You're lose the money again, right?

[Harry Daniels]

No, this time I. This time you're gonna make it the wrong deal.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you have that.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Harry Daniels]

But, like, yeah, like, I was, like, literally bleeding money last year, and so I was like. I was literally had to sell my vinyls to, like, make up for things because I collect vinyl too. And so, yeah, the first time I came here came with, like, a rare. Like, I did love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Well, when you meet the weekend, he's probably gonna do press for his new movie.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, my God, we were literally on the way here, we were just texting about it. We're like, yeah, how can we get involved with that? But you know what I really want to do? Not even the weekend Jenna Ortega, because of the video, her being like, you're gay. No, actually. Oh, yeah. I am happy she did that. Do you know what? I have to pull this up, and it's in my. Where's my phone?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Harry Daniels]

In my recent text. I'm not even kidding you, because Madeline reached out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was she young when she said it?

[Harry Daniels]

Yeah. She was like a child.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that.

[Harry Daniels]

God, how old was she? I'm like, you're right.

[Trisha Paytas]

I am happy.

[Harry Daniels]

It's my favorite video. I'm like, how many? Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Would you recreate it with her? I love that you have this pulled up. Let's see. Yo. Could you imagine how crazy my English.

[Harry Daniels]

This is my free page.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I am very happy. Oh. Period. Oh. Not the explanation after that is so.

[Oscar]

Trish, I love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's the best ending to this interview in the whole world.

[Harry Daniels]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love you so much.

[Harry Daniels]

I love you, and I'm very excited.

[Trisha Paytas]

To see you in New York. I can't wait to see your Coachella.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, my God. Gosh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's gonna be just a whirlwind of fun. And thank you for always being supportive of our podcast, dude.

[Harry Daniels]

Oh, my God. Knowing me, I'll be back in, like, a month.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. When you come back, text us. I'm a bad texter. Oscar is on it. He's on the beat.

[Harry Daniels]

So if I ever need to get anything related to just Trish, I go through Oscar. But if I ever need to get anything to you, I'm like, all right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you can always text me. I do try to text you back. I always try to text you because you're always equal. Yeah. Not everyone I text back, so. All right, you guys, Harry Daniels will be everywhere. He'll be at Coachella this week. He'll be at show Radio City Music hall next week, and we love you so much. Shout out Barry for being here, and shout out you for living the dream. Everyone's fan. Number one fan. We love it.

[Harry Daniels]

I'm literally your number one. I'm number one fan.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, wow. Everybody's all right. We'll see you soon.

[Harry Daniels]

I'll see you soon.