B (3:01)

I was shook by it. I forgot we did that. Yes, yes.

A (3:04)

For the. It's a special two year anniversary. And then we reacted to some other bad apology videos.

B (3:09)

I don't know if it's a key any. It's a key. I don't know if I've seen any of those. And we have so much more. You had a playlist of YouTuber apologies. I think we only did the girls.

A (3:16)

Yes. We only did some of the girls.

B (3:18)

I do want to see the guys.

A (3:19)

There's a lot more in there. Yes.

B (3:20)

But I. We did Laura Lee too.

A (3:22)

Yes.

B (3:22)

Which I. I remember reacting to and I was being so aggressive about it. But I don't know if I actually ever watched it.

A (3:27)

Very you.

B (3:28)

I just remember everyone is mad about it. So I was like f you Gorely. Even though like at the time I was making 20 apology videos. So I don't know what the hell.

A (3:34)

I was on every week. You were speed running an apology.

B (3:37)

I'm like I love to dog. That's the problem. See, that's what you get, what you put out to the world. Because then as soon as someone would dogpile on an apology, I would too. As if I had some authority to be like wow, that was awful. I don't know. It was very weird. Although some authority now critiquing the apology videos because I've made quite a few so I can tell when true they're genuine or not. Like even Laura Lee people dog piled on her and yeah like the crying was like a much but kind of felt for her. I had a little. Little sympathy.

A (4:00)

Yeah. She had points in there. Yeah. Heart was I think in the. In the right place. But delivery was terrible.

B (4:06)

That part. Yeah. That was. That was crazy. Who else did we do? We did Colleen, Laurine.

A (4:10)

There was one More. Why am I forgetting?

B (4:12)

Oh, that girl we didn't know, the one who danced her apology.

A (4:14)

Oh, that one was something. Yeah. Tik Tocker, who had essay allegations against Jack Wright or Jack Wright had alleged that shed him. And then she did a dance apology.

B (4:26)

She did a dance apology, which I had never seen before.

A (4:28)

Me either.

B (4:28)

It was almost that there were toxic obs of train. But then we weighed out the. The crimes versus the apology, and we're like, well, I think the crimes outweigh the toxic Os of train crimes out. Not in. In any way other than there was, like, underage people involved with the toxic train.

A (4:40)

But all those two were historically terrible.

B (4:45)

The apologies, too, because the crimes. I don't want to say crimes. The inner. I guess. I guess maybe alleged crimes. I don't know, are so serious and so much. You know, it wasn't like, Okay, I don't want to say anything's little, but, like, you know, some people apologize for.

A (4:57)

Like, I guess Jenna Marbles with her. She apologized because she had fish in a. In a circular tank, and she did an apology video for that. So in comparison.

B (5:06)

See that we didn't watch out. So. Right. There's some serious, you know, allegations. And the way they responded with the singing and the dance.

A (5:13)

Yeah. Marbles being more sincere and heartbroken for having, like, a circular tank for her fish versus having, like, essay allegations or child grooming allegations and then singing and dancing your way through it is kind of crazy.

B (5:26)

Also gaslighting. I just. I don't know, go check it out. I don't want to, like, everyone's like, cherish that you're with the drama. I mean, we have a drama podcast. We do it a couple hours a week. I don't know what to tell you. It was. It was. Yeah.

A (5:37)

Someone's got to keep it going because everyone is tapping out of drama these days. My God, we really need us. We need just Trish now.

B (5:44)

More than that is so true.

A (5:46)

Everyone has fallen. Everyone has fallen.

B (5:48)

I'm telling you, we're gonna hit our stride. Give me, like, 40, and then it's gonna be like, I'll win the lottery by then. I'll still do this. Don't worry. But then I can really, you know, just give my realness. You know what I mean? Because sometimes you just want to get the realness. But, yeah, you're right. I mean, it's just fun. Everyone needs a little toxic gossip in their life. It's funny to laugh at now, but I remember, like, watching it. I was like, oh, we were talking about that era. And I was like, God, it was. It was rough. It was triggering. I was spiraling. It was summer. Summer always hits the fan as we. That this summer we have great, great stuff happening. Baby, your birthday. There's just, like, a lot happening. So this summer is wonderful.

A (6:27)

Peace.

B (6:28)

We love. We don't. Hopefully. Yeah.

A (6:31)

I mean, manifest.

B (6:32)

The world is a little upside down, but maybe no drama this year's hoping.

A (6:37)

Yeah.

B (6:37)

Yeah. But we're still here.

A (6:40)

Yep.

B (6:40)

Okay. You're wearing Jordan. I wish I would have worn my Jordan. I was going to have the men. I would have worn it today.

A (6:45)

I know. I. I think I started wearing jorts ironically because of brown chicken fry and jord skate. But now I think, like jorts, so I love it. Yeah. And was that. Was it Tana that was wearing the Jordan jorts?

B (6:56)

Yeah.

A (6:57)

So I guess I'm Tana in that sense.

B (7:00)

Ending biphobia, too. I love it. You know, we're just wearing jorts and support, which I love to see. The shirt's great. Moses has a new shirt. Not from Amazon.

C (7:11)

Oh, no. This. This cost, like, 20 times more than my Amazon shirt.

B (7:17)

I know how much it cost. That was my Father's Day gift to you.

A (7:19)

Oh.

C (7:19)

There was a thing inside.

B (7:21)

A tag. That's. When I lose him, he gets mad at me. What? He always gets mad if I, like, buy him stuff because he's always just like. Like last night, he said we should just go shopping together for my. But I mean, that's not presents. Then if I go with you to, like, buy stuff together. Right? You have to, like, buy it for the person. That's the whole point of a present.

C (7:37)

Yeah, but the gift is us together, having the time, the date to go and shop together.

B (7:43)

No, because you just would go to Uniqlo. You would never go into Saks Fifth Avenue, which is where I got this shirt. You would never want to go in there. It was from the White Lotus collection. I was so excited about it.

A (7:51)

It was gonna be White Lotus. It was.

B (7:53)

The official White Lotus tag was on there. It was Saks Fifth Avenue.

C (7:57)

This is like the Italian. I think you said it's season two.

B (8:00)

Yeah. Sicily is.

A (8:01)

Wow.

B (8:02)

I didn't know. I thought it was the Thailand one. That was my bad, because we love the Thailand one. But it still looks good. It's giving summer with the lemons.

C (8:08)

Yeah. And I guess since we don't know why, it's Father's Day.

B (8:12)

Yeah. There's my dad mug I got from Moses. It was, you know, it was a wild Father's Day yesterday, the kids had a little bit of a meltdown. But, you know, we were trying to get to the pool all day and it never really happened. Honestly, my girls want to be in the ac. I'm like, there's nothing wrong with that. We tried. We had the swimsuits on them. She loved the swimsuit but didn't want to get the pool. So we just put her in the bathtub in the swimsuit. I was like, well, we had the pool all heated. Moses gets most excited for a pool day. Like, he loves it. He was blowing up the toys for them, but it didn't quite work out. But anyways, happy blade of Father's Day to everyone out there. Did you spend time with your dad yesterday and your new puppy?

A (8:48)

Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yesterday I was with the creators for Peace Crew. Yeah, it was really fun. Yeah. They raised so much money for Point of Pride and it's. It was really sweet because it was all for like, trans affirmative care and everything. And they even had all these little, like, cards of trans people that they've helped and they were like reading their, like, stories throughout the. The whole stream. And they raised, when I left, raised like almost $20,000. And I feel like it's probably more.

B (9:20)

In like one afternoon.

A (9:21)

Yeah. Which is crazy.

B (9:22)

That's amazing. So were you guys all in one location?

A (9:25)

Yeah, I was all at the Try guys studio. I guess it was scheduled like throughout the day, so I was in one of the earlier ones, but I stayed around for a while because I was just having a key.

B (9:35)

It was.

A (9:36)

Yes, it was really fun. Everyone was really sweet. Everyone's like, oh, we really love Trish. Yeah. Yeah.

B (9:41)

There was so much about you to meet you at shows. Everyone's like, we love Oscar. I love it. That's so cute.

A (9:45)

It was really fun. I saw Austin show was there. I was having a key with him and his boyfriend. Yeah, we've been oomphies for a long time. That was our first time actually meeting. It was so nice. He was like, oh, yeah. Like, I moved to West Hollywood, so, like, we should finally do something. And I'm like, yeah, like, we really need a collab. He's like, well, I kind of just meant like brunch, but yeah, that too. I was like, work. Okay. Oh, you should go to a My friend Austin show.

B (10:09)

Yeah, I love a brunch.

A (10:11)

That's so fun. Oh my God, he was so nice.

B (10:13)

At the Abbey, would you go? Or where?

A (10:15)

I think his house. I thought his house. But yeah, maybe he Meant, like, out on the. At the WeHo bars. Yeah. Or something.

B (10:23)

Oh, yeah. So fun. When's the last time you went to a brunch out in West Hollywood?

A (10:27)

A long time. Even West Hollywood in general. I was supposed to go out last week because Darian's friends were in town and they went to, I think, beaches or something, because our friend Evan was having, like, a as if party. The one that, like, Misha Spice hosted before.

B (10:44)

Yeah.

A (10:45)

And I was, like, too depressed to go, so he went with his friends. And guess who was there? Cat's Eye was there, like, just dancing. Just dancing to Gnarly for fun at the end. I was like, damn, I really should have rallied and gone.

B (10:56)

Yes, that was.

A (10:57)

Yes. That was a big. A big sign from the universe to, like.

C (11:01)

Because that would have cured your depression.

A (11:02)

It honestly would have.

B (11:04)

That's so true.

A (11:05)

Yeah. And I also was supposed to do a shoot with Cat's Eye, I think, this week at some time, but I can't do it anymore.

B (11:12)

What?

A (11:12)

I know.

B (11:13)

What? Why? Can you tell us or. No. Why? Okay.

A (11:16)

I'm laughing just because. It's because my grandpa's dying, so I think I'm busy this week. Yeah. And I'm only laughing because I was.

B (11:24)

Like, a nervous tick, you know?

A (11:25)

But so. Yeah. And that was, like. That was my silver lining because there was so much stuff this month, and I'm like, at least I'm gonna. I might see Cat's Eye. And then. Yeah. So I can't do it. And then I miss them again. I miss them again. And then they're doing a signing at the Grove that I try to get into, but then it sold out anyway, whatever.

B (11:42)

You're gonna be in it. And it. I keep using this word. I'm using it right in a kismet way. Like, it's like, I'm meant to be way. Because that's how I was right away. I kept missing him, too. Yes, you'll meet somehow when the time is right. Yeah.

A (11:51)

Yes.

B (11:51)

When the timing's right on. In a different circumstance.

A (11:54)

This is not meant to be right now. And that's okay. That's okay.

B (11:56)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (11:57)

Oh, but I did meet Vanilla Mace.

B (12:00)

I wanted to go there because she had responded.

C (12:03)

Half of our comments have been that.

B (12:05)

I know about them meeting.

C (12:07)

Yeah. Like, because he mentioned he's gonna meet her. Half of the comments were like, bring her on the podcast.

B (12:11)

Okay. I kind of got. Okay. I think I downplayed it last time we talked about her. That I actually do, like, love her, but I was like, and then I saw she responded to our last podcast, and I was kind of like, I wish I would have, like, said more. Like, I. I do think she's so iconic. Like, I didn't know she think she's iconic. And I was just like, damn. I know she's like, the it girl right now. So I'm not even trying to like, yes, me too. You know what I mean? But it was. Okay, tell me.

A (12:30)

Oh, my God.

B (12:30)

Just me on stream.

A (12:32)

Yeah. So she was in a segment, like, right after mine. Like, she was, like, literally the part right after me. So I was walking out after mine, and then I had to, like, pass the mic on. And then I saw her, and then I saw that she reacted to us. So I'm like, she at least knows my face. I'm like, hi. And then, like, I give her a hug. It was like, it's so nice to meet you. And then I panic.

B (12:50)

I'm like, oh, no, we're panickers over here.

A (12:54)

I literally started bowing. I didn't know what else to do. I was like, queen. I Like everyone else. I was so cool. Like, me and Austin Shaw. I'm like, you know, that's. That's my sis, Austin. Like everyone else, I was so calm, so cool. It was like, no big deal. But then I vanilla mace. I was like. I just. I panicked and started bowing. I don't know. I didn't know what else to do. She's just like, everything. No one was taking, like, photos. So then I had Darian come with me to, like. And he was carrying my camera to, like, take photos because I assumed everyone would be like, yeah, selfies and stuff. Everyone was just, like, too cool.

B (13:28)

I think, like, maybe you just didn't see it happening. I bet.

A (13:30)

You know, because I was in the. I was in the mix the whole time, and no one was doing it.

B (13:34)

Weird. A content, like, world, probably. Like, everyone's like, like, stay for a picture with this person. You know, that was, like, the whole.

A (13:38)

Thing, I think, because it's such a small. It was like a small set.

B (13:41)

So smaller than this.

A (13:42)

I mean, bigger than this. But, like, it was live, so we couldn't even. Like, it was. We had to kind of be, like, quiet and, like, sneak off in little rooms and stuff. And it was kind of hard to, like, get photos. And literally no one was taking photos.

B (13:53)

So she. When you go. When she comes in to Swatch, swap the mic, you're live. You're streaming.

A (13:57)

Yes. Like, there's no commercial breaks. Like, it's just live transitions. Like one group exiting another group.

B (14:02)

Is there screenshots?

C (14:03)

So it's like a salad on like a.

A (14:05)

Yes. Yeah. We were off camera because I was like off camera meeting. Yes. And then. But she was like so just like the sweetest ever. She was so nice. And then afterwards she did, she stuck around. I think she said she did two or three segments just because she was like down for whatever. And then we were. I was just standing in the hallway with Austin and then she came to like eat a snack and we were, we were just making like random. She ate this like donut and she didn't really like it. And I could tell her. I was like, oh, she's not feeling it. I was really trying to like it all like the sassy gay friend, you know. I don't know why you said that. Yeah, I like that donut girl. Yes. But I was like, I need to be gay. I don't know. I just felt it. I was like, I need to be gayer than ever.

B (14:46)

I was like, I would say that for me, if you're ever questioning coming up to me, just be like super gay. And I'm like, I love this person, you know? Yeah, yeah.

A (14:55)

I literally like, she was the one person I was like panicked over. I was like, oh, she's not feeling it. She's like, yeah, I don't know. There's something about this. I'm like, I see it. I'm like, I think it's one of those healthy vegans. I think it kind of was. It was like a gluten free or something. I don't know. But yeah, we had a little key over that.

B (15:11)

I love it. Did she put it back or she threw it out.

A (15:13)

She went to try a different donut.

B (15:15)

Oh, I love that.

A (15:15)

And then she still wasn't feeling that one either. So. Yeah, I love that.

C (15:18)

I think that's the first video ever so of her is trying a donut. Oh, car wait, you've never seen that one? No, in general, that's the first time I ever saw her.

B (15:27)

I didn't see that one.

C (15:28)

She was just taking a bite of a donut and suddenly her face lit up and she's like, you know, transformed into another dimension.

B (15:34)

She's like a donut connoisseur.

A (15:36)

She really like a tick tock snack, you know.

B (15:38)

Oh, I love. What donuts would we get if she was here? What's like the ultimate donut? California donuts. What I think of that's in K town though. That's pretty far. Is there a good donut place around here. I don't know.

A (15:47)

I don't know either. Your mom kind of. I feel like your mom would know. Your mom always had a windshield, but.

B (15:53)

I love a windshield donut. But that's where she's going. Banging bun sometimes has, like, donuts right now. They have, like, really?

A (15:59)

Didn't someone send you donuts one time?

B (16:01)

The cinnamon rolls, which would be so cute, too. She came also, there's one in Vegas. Those ones that they sent us to the show. Lottery every out there. Not lottery. I forgot they're called. They're so good, too. Holly Madison sent them to me. We'd have to get them with, like, her face on it or something. She isn't. She is a dream guest. But, like, I do get nervous when there's, like, this really popular.

A (16:20)

Very nervous, even. Like, I. I did feel validated, though, because I was talking to Frogan, who was there too, and she was like, no. Like, I saw her, I think Tari or Jake Weber's birthday party or something, and she was like, I was too scared to go up to her. So I was like, that's validating that she is just. Even though she's so nice and cool, it's just an intimidating presence because everyone loves her. And I don't want to be, like, so many people going up and asking for collabs and stuff. So I was too scared to be like, oh, come on. The podcast. So I'm just gonna say we wait, talk about her here.

B (16:47)

It's like I spice away a couple years later.

A (16:49)

Yeah.

B (16:50)

Yeah. I mean, she's always gonna be that girl, but you know what I mean? Yeah, I feel that way, too, especially because she's, like, real. And sometimes I. I think of myself as real, but I'm like, not as real as that. So I feel like sometimes real recognizes fake and big. This is fake. You know what I mean? So I'm just scared about that. I feel real, but not compared to her. Yes, she's very real. She's irl. Irl. Is that the right way to use it? Well.

C (17:11)

In real life, she's real life.

B (17:13)

Oh, is that what. Oh, in real life, I always see irl, and I just thought that meant, like, you're real. Like, I'm real. I real.

C (17:21)

In real life, it was people. It used to be people that stream in real life. Like, people.

B (17:26)

Oh, say, you know, I might. This is so not a hot topic, and no one cares, but my FYP right now is, like, biblical. AI, have you seen those? Wait, really? Oh, my God. It's Like, Bible characters, vlogging. And it looks so real.

A (17:40)

Oh, actually did see one.

B (17:41)

Which one did you see?

A (17:43)

I think it was Moses.

C (17:44)

I was tagged on Moses.

B (17:45)

Probably. I probably reposted the Moses. Like, hey, guys, what's up? It's Moses here. Like, and they go through the events. So I learned about all these people. I learned about Job the other day. I did know about him, where all his stuff was taken away and then was restored. He's like, yo, God gave me back a whole new set of kids. Like, And I was like, oh, so it makes me want to know the story. Jonah was inside the whale, and they got spit out. He's like, yo, the whale just spit me up. But I guess that's the uber, bro. But they all say the same thing on these. They all say, like, yo, what's up, chat? We're going through. Like, whatever. So what is chat? Like, everyone always says, hey, chat.

C (18:14)

Like in Twitch when they stream. So they read the chat. So the chat is the people. All the people that watch and. And, you know, contribute.

B (18:22)

Because I watched Eve, Adam and Eve, and she's like, hey, chat. God just created me. And everyone's like, but there's no other people watching. And I thought, oh, what a plot hole that was in the AI system. Because she was, like, talking to the chat. And I was like, what is that? Got it. So someone's like, typing. We have that. We have a chat during the live Moses, obviously, he's always in the chat.

C (18:41)

So you would say, just make sure people are.

B (18:43)

But when people are vlogging, how are they saying, hey, chat?

A (18:45)

It's kind of just used to, like, talk to the viewers now. Like, it's used more loosely and sometimes ironically, too. Like.

B (18:53)

Like, there's no chat happening.

A (18:54)

Yeah. Like, sometimes people just write on their Instagram. Instagram story, like, hey, chat. What do you think this is? Like, I don't know.

B (18:59)

It's like, okay, I'm gonna start using it, because all my Bible vloggers do that. So good. You have to get on that TikTok.

A (19:06)

I don't know.

C (19:06)

That'd be funny.

B (19:07)

It's so. It's. They're so real. Like, the Moses one looks so real. I sent it to him. I was like, oh, my God, that's so crazy. He's like, yeah, so Farah Son knows. It looks like we're have to escape tonight. Like, it's so good the way they. I don't know. It seems real. And then all the comments are always like, this has to be real, because AI Wasn't invented back then. And I'm like, I love. I love TikTok comments. It's my favorite thing that I'm on right now, which is why I never have any hot Topics anymore. Cause I just scroll through that and find it. Because now there's, like, George Washington ones, but they're not as good as the Bible ones. But it is. It is good. All right, so chat and IRL. Thank you so much to SeatGeek for sponsoring today's episode. All right, we love SeatGeek. We use SeatGeek. SeatGeek is everywhere for a reason, and that's because it works. It gives you the best seats, the best tickets, the best value, and summer is here it is Summer of music, baby. Okay. Whether you're seeing Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, which sold out in minutes, don't worry, SeatGeek has you covered. So many people I want to see this summer. The weekend Beyonce show looks so good. I'm like, how do I. How do I get there? Obviously, My chemical Romance doing their stadium tour. Okay. If you relate to the tickets or just want to go day of Seeking has you covered. Okay. They're the best. With over 28 million downloads, Seeking is the number one rated ticketing app. There are more than 70,000 events listed on seeking. Concert, sports, festival, festivals, and more, which is wonderful. Get something for everyone. Yes. Even you sports people out there want to see the big game. Seeking has you covered. Each chick is rated on a scale of 1 to 10, so you know you're getting a good deal. So look for the green dots. Green means good, red means bad. Plus every ticket is backed by their buyer guarantee. And you know it came through for you guys. You can use code TRISH2025 for 10 off your next set of tickets at SeatGeek. That's 10 off tickets with promo code TRISH2025. TRISH2025. Make sure you click the link in the description to download the app and have the code automatically account so you can use it later. Thank you so much to SeatGeek for sponsoring today's episode. That's the new words we're using.

A (20:53)

The new words that are 10 years old.

C (20:57)

Is really.

A (20:57)

IRL is really, really.

B (20:59)

That's a new thing. People are saying, whose book was.

A (21:01)

Someone's book was called like, maybe it was Joey Graceffa's book was called, like, IRL in real life. I think the book he came out was. Yeah.

B (21:09)

Was it a memoir? Yeah, I like 23.

A (21:12)

Yeah.

B (21:13)

I remember Connor, Franta. All those people were coming out with memoirs. And I was just like, I wonder what they wrote about. I should. We should do book club and read them, honestly. Tea?

A (21:19)

Yeah. Remember someone gave you Jenn Xpen's memoir to give to me at the time. Oh, yeah.

B (21:23)

Did you read it?

A (21:24)

I skimmed through it, but I haven't sat down and read it. So I should actually sit down and read it. Yeah.

B (21:29)

She's a little older now, so she could have had a good. Or is it older, an older book?

A (21:32)

It's. No, it was when she was like a teenager, I think. Yeah. I think she was like 19.

B (21:37)

That is so crazy. Like, they were all getting book deals back then. They must have the same agents that were just giving them book deals.

A (21:43)

I think so, yeah. Because it was the same publisher or something. Was just like, who's a popular YouTuber?

B (21:48)

That's so true. Because everyone was getting them and I was like, how are they? Why are they getting them? Got it. Should be interesting to read. I want to read Joey's at 23. Like, what was his. I guess he had some stuff with his mom and.

A (21:57)

Yeah.

B (21:57)

Closeted and stuff.

A (21:58)

So, yeah.

B (22:03)

Love a coming out story. I do. I do love one.

A (22:07)

Who is it?

B (22:08)

Who is a Researching the other day and someone was, oh, we have a guest coming up that was talking about his coming out story. I won't spoil it. But thanks to someone we know on the show, I was like, okay, I love that. Did you have. Did you have to come out? Did we talk about this?

A (22:23)

Did I have to come out? Yeah or no, no, no, I didn't, honestly. Yeah, me too.

B (22:28)

Your parents were just like, one day you decided, like, how did it. Nothing. Or do they know?

A (22:33)

I think everyone. Everyone kind of just knew. I think everyone had a sneaking suspicion since I was maybe a little tot. Yeah.

B (22:40)

Wow. So you never had to be like, hey, guys, I'm gay.

A (22:42)

No, I never had like a coming out story or anything. Yeah. I. The first time it ever got addressed was when my first boyfriend and I was. That was 2019. So I was like 27 or something. Or 28. And then my mom was like, oh, so you have a boyfriend? I was like, yeah, because she follows me on Instagram. So I think she just saw my Instagram story.

B (23:02)

Oh, that's cute.

A (23:03)

Easy.

B (23:03)

Love that.

A (23:04)

It was super easy. I love that.

B (23:05)

That's why I always hope, like my kids generation, I'm like, hope they don't feel like they have to be like, I'm gay.

A (23:09)

I know very. I'm very privileged to have that kind of family. That's just like, okay, work.

B (23:16)

Yeah. I love that.

A (23:18)

It just was never a thing. Luckily.

B (23:20)

Doesn't make a good memoir, but I like it.

A (23:23)

You're so right.

B (23:25)

You're not doing that book deal based on that, but at least you had a healthy, healthy family.

A (23:33)

Yeah. Not enough gay trauma.

B (23:35)

That's good, though.

A (23:36)

Yeah.

B (23:36)

Yeah, you should normalize that, too. It's just having a normal life, you know? Normal. That's such a bad word to use.

C (23:43)

You know, one day you might be on UK Big Brother and Switch. They don't have a whole book to write about it.

A (23:48)

True. Oh, my God. Could you imagine? The thought makes me a little.

B (23:53)

Have you just started dating a girl?

A (23:54)

Yeah.

B (23:55)

You know, by. Bisexuality is a thing.

A (23:59)

It does. It is a thing. I just don't think that's me. But, you know, I really don't really.

B (24:05)

Do some people know? I don't know.

A (24:07)

Although JoJo thought she knew too, so I don't know. Yeah, that does kind of scare me.

B (24:12)

She's young. Gotta explore. That's what I tell everyone. Just explore everything. That's why I said we're a little gay, because you gotta explore a little bit. You never really know. I never really know. You're just like, you don't know. Don't know where life takes you, but light takes care. So I love that vanilla Mace was cool. I love that. That was your. Your. Who's your fave?

A (24:31)

My fave? That I saw there.

B (24:32)

Yeah. Did you get to meet anyone else?

A (24:34)

Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I saw. I mean, everyone was so nice. Froan. Emma Langavan. I'm pronouncing your last name wrong. Emma. I'm so sorry, but she was there. Amanda. Amanda Todd Hunter, who I love, too, was there. HGH was there. He's like a music reactor and he's really cool. Oh, Vivian Wilson was there. I love her.

B (24:57)

How is she?

A (24:58)

She's so fierce. Oh, my gosh, she's just fierce. I'm sorry. Like, when you're like, she's just kind of a girl, she feels like a model. I don't know how else to say it. Like, when I'm next to her, I feel like I'm next to someone famous. Like, I don't know. Like, she has. She exudes it. She's very nice, but she's just fierce. I don't know. She was sitting next to me on the couch. She's like, diva. What's the WI Fi? And I'm like, girl, there's literally a giant sign right there that says, guess.

B (25:20)

What'S the WI fi? And I was like, it's right there.

A (25:23)

She's just like.

B (25:24)

It was cute. I love that Y. You always gotta ask what the WI fi is. That's a must.

A (25:29)

She's killing. She was a key. Everyone was. She did a little drag performance too. At the end. It was a key. Well, enough was there.

B (25:36)

How long did you stay?

A (25:37)

For a while, I think. I left like a 4. And I got there at like 11:45.

B (25:42)

But you said you had to be quiet, so what were you doing?

A (25:45)

Being loud in the back.

B (25:48)

Did you meet the try guys?

A (25:50)

No. No, I don't.

B (25:52)

No.

A (25:53)

I think they were either before me or at the very end. And only. I think it was only two of them.

B (25:57)

I don't think all that's left anyways. There's.

A (25:58)

I think there's like three or four. No. Or maybe three.

B (26:01)

I think they're off. I think they all fell off except for two.

A (26:03)

Really?

B (26:04)

Yeah.

A (26:05)

Damn.

B (26:05)

One left because Eugene, right? Is that his name? He was like the third because the one the cheater left. Yeah. Oh, he left like maybe a year ago. Yeah, it was like the cheater left first. Alleged. I don't know.

A (26:19)

I think proven.

B (26:20)

Yeah, proven cheater left, and then Eugene left because he was like, trying to leave. He didn't know the right time. I think there's only two. The two with the glasses, which you'd fit in. You should be the third try guy.

A (26:28)

Damn, you look like them.

B (26:29)

You could be a try guy.

A (26:30)

I love trying things. Do I love trying things?

B (26:32)

I guess I do like trying things.

A (26:33)

Yeah.

B (26:34)

You should be on it. Go apply.

A (26:35)

Should they taking applicants?

B (26:37)

So cute. Oh, my God, that'd be crazy. But then you got three jobs. J, T, E, T or tg. Tg.

A (26:44)

Yeah.

B (26:45)

Oh, my God. Well, that's exciting. I hope you get that.

A (26:49)

The job you just made up for me. Yeah. Love. Okay.

B (26:52)

Work would be great.

A (26:54)

Yeah, I guess I never really watched the try guy, so I'm not really familiar with.

B (26:59)

You don't feel intimidated, Honestly.

A (27:00)

Yeah. To you.

B (27:01)

I love doing things like I've never seen before. Because I'm like, well, I don't really know about this show anyway, so. And then you get it, and then you don't feel as nervous. Because the thing I auditioned for last week, I like, I know really well. And I think I was so nervous. As opposed to the thing I auditioned for earlier in the year.

A (27:14)

I didn't really know the stakes were. Felt lower.

B (27:16)

Yeah. I was like, I don't know. But this shows like this Is everything, you know? So I think it kind of flubbed.

A (27:21)

It up, but I think one of the hottest topics, I think, was Sabrina Carpenter's new album, Art, which came out last week. But the discourse has gone on for days and days and days.

B (27:30)

No, Moses actually was, like, telling us that last Hot Topics that Wednesday. He's like, sabrina Carpenter has a new album.

A (27:35)

I was just like, work. I didn't see the discourse yet.

B (27:38)

I didn't either. I didn't think anything of it, to be honest.

C (27:40)

When I saw the picture, I knew the discourse was coming.

B (27:43)

Oh, you knew. What did you think? You were like, this is. Oh, not the straw with no water in there.

C (27:48)

No, you brought your water.

B (27:50)

Okay. I was like, you tricked me. I was like, wow, I got a straw for me today.

C (27:54)

No, but you just do it for the mug cam.

B (27:56)

It's okay. Let's go for this. I love this Olipot for real. I know it's sponsored today, but this is tasting like sparkling.

A (28:03)

I like the cream soda Ollipop.

B (28:04)

There's. We actually need a fridge of them. They don't send us lollipop, but we got them at the store and they're so good. This crisp apple is so good. It is not spot well. It is sponsored today, but so good. We actually like, like them too. They taste like. Taste like pop. Yeah. Why do you think the discord. You saw that, like, oh, my gosh, it's gonna be. It's gonna be in news. It's gonna be Hot Topics. I wouldn't have thought.

C (28:22)

It's just the picture was provocative, and.

A (28:26)

I guess it is. I guess when I first saw it, I didn't think much of it either. I was like, work. And then. Yeah. But I think a majority of the Internet did think it was very provocative. The album is called Man's Best Friend, and the main cover art, she is, like, on all fours with. With a man pulling her hair and a legend man.

B (28:47)

People are suspecting it could be Sabrina in a suit. If you pull out, they think it's going to be her.

A (28:51)

Oh, okay. Work.

B (28:53)

That's what I had seen. I was like, okay, love.

A (28:56)

And then the second album art was like a photo of her dog's collar, and it says Man's best friend on it. So, like, my thinking was just like, oh, it's kind of like a play on feeling like men can probably think of her like, oh, just like a. What is like the female dog called a. So people thinking. Men thinking in relationships, she can just be like this or whatever. And then it Being kind of, like, subversive. But everyone was really offended by what was the offense that. The main argument that I saw on Tick Tock was Sabrina Carpenter is, like, setting women back. It's like, Sydney Sweeney, Bonnie Blue, Sabrina Carpenter. They're setting women back.

B (29:33)

It's crazy to put Bonnie Blue in that character.

A (29:36)

What the hell is going on?

B (29:38)

Like, a thousand men and, like, unprotect act, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's getting kicked off. Oh, Sabrina, like, Sydney, you're selling, like, a fantasy.

A (29:47)

Yeah, well, also, I'm so confused by it, too. Basically, it's like that she's selling this idea of being, like, very, like, submissive and relationships and, you know, like, the Juno sex positions on tour. She sings about sex. She did the COVID of Rolling Stone that got announced the same week. And on the COVID she's, like, seemingly nude, and she has, like, long hair kind of covering, like, her butt and her boobs.

B (30:09)

Yeah.

A (30:10)

So basically, it's. Everyone's saying that she is catering to, like, the male gaze, and it's not, like, a good feminist image. And, like, young girls look up to her, but she. I don't know where this came from because she literally has five music videos where she sings about killing men. Like, there's literally five videos where she, like, kills men and she's, like, the man eater who won't, like, cater to men. So I don't understand where this idea that she's, like, submissive and only cares about, like, being seen by men, I don't know where it came from. All her songs are, like, anti that.

B (30:43)

Yeah, I don't really get that either. The argument of, like, her. Because, like, I feel like, especially feminists being like. It's like, isn't that the whole point of feminism is to be, like, naked? Because, like, why do men get to be, like, topless and we can't. You know what I mean? So it's like, I feel like these feminists are sending feminism back. You know what I mean? Because it's like, you should be able to be naked in general. Well, also topless at least. Like, why is it a big deal? She's topless. But, like, guys can be topless on billboards. Like, I just. I hate that so much.

A (31:07)

It's very weird, too, because it's also like. Like, the same group of people get really excited when Bad Bunny is taking an underwear photo. And literally Twitter is going crazy zooming in on his bulge. Is it cut around, like.

B (31:19)

Yes.

A (31:20)

And everyone wants him to post, like, more Thirst Trap. Shawn Mendes does, like, Calvin Klein underwear ads, and everyone's, like, dead over that. Benson Boone is in his little Speedo with the American flag on it doing backflips. Everyone eats that up. But I'm like, so. But why are we mad at Sabrina? And also, she literally only has, like, like, three songs that are, like, about sex in, like, the past two albums, so I don't know why. All because of the Juno positions, which.

B (31:43)

Is also, I feel like a very feminist thing because, like, guys can talk about sex and be sexual, but a girl, like, can't do it. Like, why can't we talk about sex?

A (31:48)

Like, it's so funny, weird. And she kind of ate because in Rolling Stone, she got asked about, like, the. How she feels about the criticism about her singing about sex or whatever. She's like, honestly, I only. I don't really do it that much. It's just. Just the times I do it is when it gets the most popular. So that seems like a problem on the consumer, basically, which is true, because how did she get famous from the nonsense outros where she was, like, being cheeky about, like, sex or whatever. And then that kind of made. That made. Went really viral. And then the Juno positions also went viral throughout the tour, right? And there was one time on April Fools where she didn't do it. And then she got hate for not doing a sex position. So it's like, wait, but. But the. You guys are the ones making it viral.

B (32:30)

I know. That's what people want to see. That's what people like. And we, like, create, like, out, like, also, like, as a woman, and you're just like, oh, my God, that's what we wanted. You know what I mean? Because it's giving that, like, I don't know, power back to be like, we can also talk about sex. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. And also cutesy. I don't know, like, the fact that she did, like, an Eiffel Tower position, I was like, girl, go off. You know what I mean?

A (32:47)

That's funny.

B (32:47)

Yeah, it was so funny and so cute. And it's just like, yeah, any other guys, you're just like, it's so weird to me.

A (32:53)

I don't know why people got so upset about it. And honestly, to me, I'm like. It's just more of, like, the pendulum effect, I think, because, like, it's literally a year ago, the thing everyone loved about her is now the thing everyone hates about her. And it's like, what the hell you.

B (33:08)

Saw with Chapel too Like, her outspokenness is what people liked. And then the one she. Yeah, yeah. Like, actually, no, the actual effect is real.

A (33:16)

It's very real.

B (33:17)

I know. I hate it so much. Just like, okay, I feel like people.

A (33:20)

Are just, like, really mad at, like, the state of the world and then. Which makes sense, obviously. But then I feel like we're taking it out on the wrong thing.

B (33:26)

Let's not take it out.

A (33:29)

Really. The. The women setting, like, her setting women back and not like the people in power are taking away women's rights. Like, yes, I think they are setting women back more than. It really made me upset. I was like, what? Because it's literally almost all the comments I saw were, like, opposed to this, like, album art. And I'm like, yeah, it's supposed to be provocative and get people talking, but why would you think it's, like, submissive? There's nothing in Sabrina's catalog where she, like, caters herself to man. Like, like, she has a song called Good Graces that is like, kisses, cute, bye bye. If you act this up, I'm gonna go hook up with your favorite athlete and make your life miserable.

B (34:06)

Like, I love that you know the lyrics. Is this our new one or Short and Sweet?

A (34:09)

It was from Short and Sweet. Yeah.

B (34:10)

So, yeah, she's all about. And she, like, obviously leaves when she's treated like.

A (34:14)

You know what I mean? It's so odd.

B (34:18)

That's why, like you said, maybe people just want something to be upset, somebody to be upset with. But I don't know if Sabrina is the one that needs him.

A (34:25)

Totally. And I. I get too. Like, maybe it's almost like, too soon for her to do, like, two new albums, like, back to back, like, one year apart. But I like that.

B (34:34)

Is that what people are saying? That's so funny.

A (34:36)

I will. See, people were complaining because, like, like, oh, this sounds just like all the other Sabrina Carpenter songs. But I'm like, well, first of all, her new era was just a year ago, so obviously it's going to be a little similar. And then she probably had, like, so much material after, like, Barry, that she's like, damn, hold on, I got another 10 songs in me. You know?

B (34:51)

But then people are mad because. Because it's like with a Man Child. Like, well, it's not espresso. Like, well, okay, do you want it to sound the same or you want to sound different?

A (34:57)

Yeah, it's so odd. I like that she's just really seeing another album so quick, though. She's like, honestly, like, people used to do this, like, Dolly Parton used to release albums like every year. I have stuff to write about, so why not?

C (35:10)

Because I remember in the past the issue was she didn't have enough songs.

A (35:14)

Yeah.

C (35:14)

When the tour started, like something like it was short, there was not enough songs to even sing.

A (35:18)

I'm like, yeah. Because she ignores. Well, she doesn't like her older music from her older label. So she only likes Emails I Can't Send Short and Sweet and now Man's Best.

B (35:27)

She doesn't like them or what she has.

A (35:28)

I think she just doesn't feel like she identifies with that music anymore.

B (35:31)

Because what was it about?

A (35:32)

It was. Honestly, it wasn't like, I think sonically, it was probably just not her style now. And also like it's from her old label and she got more artistic control when she switched record labels. Like with Emails I Can't Send and not like Short and Sweet. So. So. And honestly, the fact that it took her like a decade to like pop off shows that like, you know, that her label didn't know what to do with her. Yeah.

B (35:54)

I do love the Short and Sweet album. It's so good. What a Grammy, right?

A (35:57)

Yes, it did, right?

B (35:58)

Yeah, yeah.

A (35:59)

And Emails I Can't Send is like one of my favorite albums too. I listen to that more than Short and sweet, honestly. Really? Yeah.

B (36:06)

What's that one about?

A (36:07)

Honestly, it has. I mean, it has nonsense. So that's like the sexy song in it. It has Feather, which is like the Screw Men song. It has a song about her dad cheating on her mom. It is pretty deep.

B (36:21)

Love it. I think she's like a good. She write her songs.

A (36:24)

Yeah.

B (36:25)

That's amazing.

A (36:26)

Yeah. She has like co writers obviously, but she does. Yeah, yeah. And she said this song, this album is because she was like so inspired and the songs were just like felt easy to write. So that's why she's making a new album.

B (36:37)

But did she say the song wasn't about Barry Coogan or was that a joke? Remember she said like, oh, his first name rhymes with. With. It was like someone else's name.

A (36:44)

Oh, for Manchild.

B (36:45)

Yeah.

A (36:45)

Yeah. And I think too, I interpreted Manchild is probably just like a combination of like every guy that she's dated. Cuz that's kind of like the music video. She goes through a lot of men that are like similar in a way. Like they look different but they end up having like similar problems. That's how I perceived it. Cuz he also had a line about like the guy, like the guy's mom or something. And People were like, oh, it wouldn't be about Barry because he was, like, in an orphanage. So she wouldn't, like, write a line about Barry's mom, which makes sense. Yeah. So I think it was probably a combination. I think so. Yeah. Or he didn't have a mom, so.

B (37:20)

Oh, my gosh.

A (37:20)

I don't think she would be writing about that.

B (37:23)

Right, right, right. Cuz how would she know who the mom is if he didn't know? Yeah. Whole thing.

A (37:28)

Yeah.

B (37:29)

That's crazy. Wow.

A (37:30)

So I think it's just a combination. She's probably just very inspired by. Yeah, yeah.

B (37:34)

Awful men.

A (37:35)

Yeah. We all been. Yeah.

B (37:37)

I know there's a lot of them out there.

A (37:38)

Yeah.

B (37:38)

And that's what makes a good song. You know, I never. I realized, like, I don't really like a love song. Do you ever like love songs? There's never a song. I'm like, oh, I love a love song.

A (37:46)

You know, there are love songs. I think when I was younger, I definitely did because I was very much like, I think the idea of love. Right now I think I'm in, like, a track era. I think that's why I love Gnarly so much, because it's just like a. A track, you know, I'm the. I'm the gnarly, you know, So I think that's kind of the vibe I feel right now.

B (38:06)

Right, right.

A (38:06)

Yeah.

B (38:06)

It's better. More empowering.

A (38:08)

Yeah. It makes you feel good. It makes you feel powerful. That's kind of the vibe I'm in.

B (38:11)

So I like the Tay switch ones about breakups because I was like, oh, it just feels like empowering.

A (38:14)

Yeah. And that's why I liked Reputation so much. Even though it was like there were love songs in there, it was all like. It was still, like, empowering and being like, f Kanye, F Kim, you know.

B (38:25)

It was like, oh, was that that album?

A (38:27)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (38:29)

She really was ahead of her time with that one. She really was.

A (38:31)

Because everyone loves it now. Where were you back in 2016, 2017. Whenever it came out.

B (38:37)

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A (40:56)

Damn.

B (40:57)

Yeah.

A (40:58)

What a cat. I do like most of this this Traders cast for the most part.

B (41:02)

But I'm not hating either way. But everyone is very not happy about it online.

A (41:06)

I think I saw a lot of people hate hate Michael Rappaport. I saw that was the number. I honestly had never heard of him before.

B (41:12)

He's filled in for Wendy. But, like, why do we hate him? I mean, I can tell looking at him. I get it. But also, like, what did he do?

A (41:18)

There's a lot of. A lot. Yeah.

B (41:21)

It was like, maybe I should look this up.

A (41:23)

Like, the rundown was he was racist, homophobic. He was like, Zionist, anti Greta Thunberg. Like, the list goes on and on and on.

B (41:33)

Like, very vocal.

A (41:34)

Recent, like, past couple of years. I'm like, damn, that is okay. The clips I saw were like, a lot and literally very, very recent.

B (41:42)

So why is he.

A (41:44)

I guess he's friends with Andy Cohen. That's what everyone said.

B (41:47)

But is any Cohen a producer?

A (41:48)

I think because it's Peacock. Or like, NBC Universal.

B (41:52)

Wait, who does any Cohen own something?

A (41:55)

He is like, the one of the producers of the Housewives franchise.

B (41:59)

He doesn't own Bravo.

A (42:00)

Not own Bravo, no. But he's one of the eps.

B (42:03)

So why is he so influential? Look, I don't want to hate on him, okay? I love him. I was supposed to go on watch what happens live in January and I got sick and I was so excited. But I was also. Ever talk. I don't think so. Maybe. Probably not. I don't know him. But people seem to be, like, scared of him or like, either they're scared of him or, like, obsessed with him. And so I'm like, okay, what is his power?

A (42:19)

I think he's just very influential. Like, he is the. He kind of runs Bravo, essentially. Like, he's very influential in Bravo. Like, he makes or breaks like, you know, people. The housewives, careers on the show.

B (42:31)

Michael Rappaport.

A (42:32)

I guess so. That's what I read. It was a lot to go through. I'm like, okay. And also, there's enough bad stuff I was learning about last week. I didn't really want to deep dive more into this, to be honest. I got the spark notes and I was like, yeah, I'm good. Yeah. Especially on Tick Tock. I saw too, like, on. On the trailer's like, announcement of the cast. Everyone's like, wow, you ruined a great cast with him.

B (42:52)

Oh, so some people did love the guy. I saw a lot of people not loving the cast. I didn't know the cast, but I never know the cast and ended up loving them. So, yeah, I don't know anybody because I don't watch reality tv, but people.

A (43:00)

Really excited about the Survivor picks. I really like Natalie. She was on Survivor and she was on the Amazing Race with Joey Graceffa. Actually not partners, but they. It was same season and they were like in an alliance an amazing race. Yeah. But I loved her on Survivor. Darian actually got me a cameo from her for, like, our anniversary one year.

B (43:23)

I love a cameo. Let me get back on there. I do love a cameo.

A (43:26)

She get like. And I love when they make you as. You know, when they make them really long too. Like, you have my money's worth.

B (43:32)

Yeah, that's what I was like doing too. I was like, if you're paying money, I'm like, let me give a conversation. Let me give a seven minute conversation. That. Okay.

A (43:38)

I love that she was a winner too. So I'm excited for her. The house, like, the housewives, I think people are really excited about.

B (43:44)

I don't know any of them. Is Dorit the same person that left first last time?

A (43:47)

Oh, Dorinda. Dorinda Medley.

B (43:49)

Yes, she's the same person that left.

A (43:51)

Yeah, she got eliminated first last season and she's back. She's from New York, from housewives of New York. Monet exchange. I love Monet exchange.

B (44:00)

We love exchange too. We were saying that there's so many people from Survivor and Housewives and like, the queens, they do get, like, eliminated quite early. Why would they not have more queens from RuPaul?

A (44:12)

Honestly, T, they should at least do like a couple, right? Yeah.

B (44:17)

At least we have 5,000 Survivor people. Like, why don't we have at least three queens? And arguably RuPaul is like the most famous show right up there with traitors because they were winning 16 seasons in a row of Emmys, so. And Alan Cummings, like, loves rue. He was talking about how he saw him after he. He beat him for the first time at the Emmys and he was like, you know, he was cool with them. So it's like, why? And he advocates. I think Alan says he advocates to have more queer people on the show. So, like, why would he not have more queens on?

A (44:41)

True. At least this season does have a lot of queer people. And I think there was like five queer people because there was like, I think one or two from Survivor that were queer.

B (44:50)

Wasn't there, like, there was a few last year? Like five. Right. Last year wasn't there quite a few?

A (44:53)

Gabby Bob, that one old guy. Who else?

B (44:59)

Wild guy. Oh, Bob the trainer.

A (45:04)

Oh, yes. The other Bob. Yes.

B (45:06)

And I can't remember who was on last season.

A (45:11)

I think that's it. Oh, Chrishell, I think is queer.

B (45:14)

Oh, yeah.

A (45:15)

Oh, yeah, you're right. So, like, yeah, 4ish.

B (45:17)

So we love that. And I know Alan said that was like his big thing is to get more people on but it's like, okay. But I think if we're having people from different shows which they, you know, the Housewives band up together, I feel like the queens would do it too. So I think they're a little outnumbered and putting nay in there, like it's going to happen.

A (45:31)

At least Monet is a reality tv, like super fan and Monet loves like Survivor Big Brother, like loves those shows so much. So yeah, Monet is very like strategic. So I have a lot of faith in Monet. And poor Bob the drag queen last season, like his mom just died like right before. So he said like he wasn't even in the right headspace to compete.

B (45:53)

Yeah.

A (45:53)

And I think Trixie Mattel was supposed to be in it with him and then Trixie didn't do it. So that was like, like I feel like just he said yes, obviously the opportunity, but probably like just bad timing. But Monet I think has learned from Bob as well and knows what to do going in. So I have high hopes.

B (46:11)

But if she gets eliminated early it'll prove the point that like you, you stick with your Survivor, you stick with your, you know, housewives. That's why we saw, we said there was no influencers this year but it's like, okay, I'll probably go in next season so they should put other influencers with me. You know what I mean? We should have Tana, we should have like Shane. You know, there should be other like.

A (46:29)

A built in alliance.

B (46:29)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You can't just go in as the only one because I want to get you out.

A (46:33)

Yeah, you're right. Because yeah. There are quite a few Survivor. There are quite a few Bravo in general. I feel like Bravo usually sticks together.

B (46:39)

Yes.

A (46:39)

There's only one big Brother I think in I'm curious who Donna Kelce is going to team up with.

B (46:46)

Michael Rapaport.

A (46:47)

No.

B (46:47)

Cuz they're older. Yeah. No British old people this time.

A (46:52)

I know.

B (46:53)

The quota has been reached. I guess. I guess they don't need to do any more of that. That was crazy.

A (46:58)

Yeah. Stephen Coletti was very random to me.

B (47:01)

Who's that?

A (47:01)

He was. Did you watch Laguna Beach?

B (47:04)

Oh, I mean, yeah. Who was he on there?

A (47:06)

Steven.

B (47:08)

Oh, like Kristen Steven.

A (47:09)

Yes. Like the llc, like the love triangle. Lauren Conrad, Kristen, Stephen Coletti.

B (47:13)

I see clips of like Stephen.

A (47:15)

Yeah.

B (47:17)

Oh, what a throwback back.

A (47:19)

So I guess he was in One Tree Hill. But One Tree hello ended a long time ago. So I thought was so random to.

B (47:24)

Me that has his claim to Fame.

A (47:26)

Yeah, I guess they wanted like a Dylan Efron type. Like just a hot white guy, I guess.

B (47:30)

But no, no, it's not giving that. Well, maybe. I don't know. I haven't seen him. Okay, we'll see.

A (47:34)

Yeah, we'll see what he brings. Yeah, I don't think so.

B (47:36)

What would mine be? Would they put me in as big brother?

A (47:40)

I don't know. They would do celebrity big Brother or just influencer. I don't know.

B (47:44)

I kind of would love to go in as a game player. As big brother, the gamer. Awesome. Big brother, everybody.

A (47:52)

You're a gamer? Yeah.

B (47:53)

Me laying in bed the whole time. Oh, that's interesting. Okay, that'd be. Is there any other random, like random person that's like what?

C (48:02)

Eric is a singer.

B (48:04)

Eric. Eric.

C (48:05)

Who just says Eric.

B (48:07)

Okay.

C (48:07)

He a young guy. Not that Johnny, Olympic figure skater.

B (48:11)

Oh, Johnny We.

A (48:13)

Oh, I do love Johnny we and Tara Lipinski. I love them together. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's true. Built in a liar.

B (48:20)

To not have like one other queen is crazy. Like. Yeah, it's like a built in you. They always have that. It's always something. There's. I noticed that from early stages. There's always like someone you know. So it's like, why would they.

A (48:32)

Rob Rouse.

B (48:34)

Who's that?

A (48:34)

From Love Island. Tar, Yummy's friend.

B (48:38)

Oh, Yummy. Should have been there then with him. Tar's friend is crazy.

A (48:43)

I hope they put that as his little thing.

B (48:46)

That's how you know him.

A (48:47)

His lower third.

B (48:48)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (48:49)

But he's the only Love islander. I guess so There are a few one offs, but yeah, the Bravo and then Survivor groups are pretty.

B (48:57)

They always win because there's always like one Love island person. There was a Love island person last time that got off pretty early. It was like a girl and she got off. She was like really pretty and.

A (49:04)

Oh, yeah, I think I know what you're talking.

B (49:06)

Yeah. But she was eliminated early so it's like. Yeah, those big alliances tend to do it.

A (49:10)

Yeah. Who are you rooting for, you think?

B (49:13)

Oh, gosh. I mean, I guess I love Monet. Maybe the only one I know, right? Oh, I love Johnny Weir.

C (49:20)

I'm putting voting rooting for Ron.

B (49:23)

Who's Ron?

C (49:24)

The comedian.

B (49:25)

That's your pick. All right. Well, I don't know. How about you?

A (49:29)

I think Monet.

B (49:30)

Yeah.

A (49:32)

Honestly, I'm very much into Johnny Weir and Tyler Lipinski as a. As a pair. And I love Natalie Anderson from Survivor. She has a twin, so people think that. That, like, they might do a little twist where maybe they, like, swap Natalie and Nadia in between and, like, fool them or something like that would be fun. A little twin twist.

B (49:50)

Yeah, just, like, add them in slowly. Who was the one? It's not Tara Lepinski, but it sounds like that. That, like, hit the girl.

A (49:57)

Tanya Harding.

B (49:57)

They shot Tanya Harding. And who's the other one who got hit in the knee?

A (50:01)

God, why am I forgetting who that was?

B (50:02)

Hush. Nancy Kerrigan.

A (50:04)

Yes.

B (50:04)

Yeah, they shot them in there.

A (50:06)

I the rumor, because there was. When the cast started leaking, there was, like, inside sourcing, saying there's one really controversial contestant that the Internet is going to be very upset about. And a lot of people thought Gypsy wrote and it ended up being Michael Rappaport. But people were speculating Gypsy Rose.

B (50:23)

Why were they promoting it like that? First of all, Michael Rapport is no Gypsy Rose. Okay. Gypsy Rose is problematic, but kind of a queen. Michael Rapport has nothing queen about. There's no iconic behavior about him. Like, she's a mess. But we love to watch. Nobody wants to watch him.

A (50:40)

Honestly, they, in comparison, like, would have preferred Gypsy for sure.

B (50:45)

A thousand percent. That's entertaining. I remember when he filmed for Wendy, I was like, get this old man off, because I didn't know his problematic history, but you can just tell, like, you know what I mean?

A (50:53)

There's something in there.

B (50:54)

Yes. The energy, the way he talks. And as soon as you said, I'm like, that makes sense. I didn't want to accuse him of all that, but I was like, that makes sense, because that's the vibe, and he's always given that vibe.

C (51:03)

So what if they're gonna tell him, like, there's topics he can't talk about in the show?

B (51:08)

They'll probably censor him. If he's friends with Andy Cohen, they'll probably try to make him look good. But it's like, oh, those kind of people, you just know. You're like. And then they blame it on their age and like, oh, it's a different generation. It's like, well, let's keep that generation off then. I'm sure Travis, Kelsey's mom don't talk like that. I'm sure she's a sweet breath of fresh air.

C (51:22)

You know, I'm looking at her picture, and I'm just wondering, what if they make her a traitor? That'd be so funny.

B (51:28)

That would be good. She'd be good. I don't know her lore, but she seems kind of cool. She kind of seems cool.

A (51:33)

Yeah, she seems Sweet. She was. She was wearing a Taylor Swift bracelet in her little, like, promo shit. I was like, oh, she's gonna have.

B (51:40)

This swifty support, y' all that I know. I wish it was like, fan based.

A (51:44)

Yeah. There's no voting. Yeah. Because that would be really unfair to have the Swifties like, on her side.

C (51:49)

You know, she can win the whole thing if she's a traitor and oh, she's so sweet. You know, she's a sweet old lady and nice.

B (51:55)

The older ladies tend to, like, slide by like that.

A (51:57)

You're so right. I bet you they're gonna make her a freaking traitor.

B (52:00)

Because, like, Phaedra was a pretty good trader for that reason. Not that she's like, older, but she's like older. You know what I mean? So it's like she's. She was kind of sweet and you kind of were like, oh, she's like this like, mom vibe. Even Danielle, I think from last season, she was like a grandma. Right. So everyone's like, she's torn her grandkids.

A (52:14)

Yeah.

B (52:15)

Like crazy. But yeah, that I still, I cannot wrap my head around that. They promoted it as, like, controversial. People won't be happy thinking they're eating. They're like, oh, wow, it's gonna ruffle feathers up. But everyone's just like, ew, like, they don't care. Like, again, there's people who can ruffle feathers and you know, we still kind.

C (52:31)

Of up so fast.

A (52:34)

I hope so.

B (52:35)

Like, Leah, Michelle would have been controversial, but people would have loved. You know what I mean? We're still like. But sing. You know, it's like Michael Rapport has no redeeming qualities.

C (52:46)

Cuz either they'll make him a traitor and they'll vote him out, or they want and they still be like, you're a traitor. Vote him out.

B (52:52)

I just. Yeah, immediately. If I had that first task where Boston Rob comes in is like, one of you can eliminate someone right now and put Boston Rob Robin. I would pick him. I'd be like, go 100%. When people don't pick someone off the bat, I guess they put themselves at a target. I would 100% pick someone. Like, that person needs to go. You know, it's so, so weird to me when people don't. Well, I'm excited, I guess. I mean, I think it's, you know, we love a traitors always.

A (53:15)

I know. I'm. I have faith in Monet to do the work and getting Michael out really quick. I'm putting a lot of faith in Monet.

B (53:22)

But we pressure but we also saw Bob be very, like, vocal getting people out, and he was, like, eating.

A (53:27)

That's true.

B (53:27)

But then it puts a target.

A (53:29)

True.

B (53:30)

It's so hard.

A (53:31)

Yeah.

B (53:33)

And they don't get, like, that culture, right? Like the queen culture of just being, like, you know, calling people out and reading and all that stuff like that. So it's like they misinterpret it as something else.

A (53:40)

Yeah. I'm trying. I'm trying to think from this cast, who would be like, this straight man I wouldn't trust. I know that housewives are gonna love Monet for sure. Actually. No. Because Dorinda and Bob the drag queen, I feel like, went at it year.

B (53:56)

Last, even in the finale, even at the reunion.

C (53:59)

Wasn't she already?

A (54:01)

Yeah, she got eliminated first last time, but everyone thought of it as a grave injustice. So she's. Now she's back.

B (54:07)

Is she the one that came for the hairstylist or. That's a different one.

A (54:11)

Which hair stylist?

B (54:12)

She went on watch what happens live, and she called out Chris Dylan by name. You don't know Crystal. Like, she was basically like, this hairstylist. Chris Dylan stole money from me. And it turned out like he didn't. He provided all the receipts, and it was literally just like, he invoiced her for a room. And, like, is that her?

A (54:24)

I don't know if that was her or Dorit.

B (54:26)

They're two different people.

A (54:26)

Dorit and Dorinda are two different people. Yeah.

B (54:28)

Type in Dorinda hairstylist or Dorit. One of them did it.

A (54:32)

It sounds like more of a Dorit thing to do, to be honest.

B (54:35)

Dorit.

A (54:36)

Yes. Dorit Kemsley hasn't paid her hairstylist, makeup artist.

B (54:40)

Yeah. She, like, took four months to pay him, and, like, then she. She, like, accused him of stealing.

A (54:44)

Yes. No, that does make sense from what I know of Dorit. Yes.

B (54:47)

So Dorin does a different one.

A (54:48)

One. Yes. Dorinda. She's from Real Housewives of New York. Dorit's from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Dorinda's just like a little firecracker. She's kind of messy. She was drinking a lot, and then she got a little too messy. So I think that's why she had to take a indefinite hiatus from the show. But she has a lot of iconic moments. She goes like, clip it.

B (55:05)

Clip it.

A (55:06)

You haven't seen that?

B (55:07)

No.

A (55:07)

Okay.

B (55:09)

Sounds iconic, though. I do love that. I loved your interpretation of. It's kind of cute.

A (55:15)

She was famous for having all the housewives come to her home in the Berkshires. And every time she would bring them over, it usually be like around the holidays, like Christmas. And then it would be like a huge fight would happen because it was just like a mess. So that was her like big.

B (55:31)

Yeah, she's a sprinkle cookie girl.

A (55:33)

I think so. Okay.

B (55:34)

They're like, she brought me sprinkle cookies. Like that's. I don't watch the East Coast Housewives, but I do see clips sometimes and.

A (55:40)

I'm all, I think it might be her, but they all kind of also blend in. Or actually that might be Real Housewives of New Jersey you might be thinking of.

B (55:48)

Which one do you say? New York.

A (55:49)

Yeah, she's in New York.

B (55:50)

They do kind of blend together.

A (55:51)

Yeah. But I, I like Dorinda so I'm happy she's.

B (55:55)

She's back once she gets nominated again. First. Damn Monet. You have your chance to do something funny here. Especially because she did kind of come for Bob. Even at the reunion.

A (56:06)

They were really going out. Yeah. Yes.

B (56:09)

Oh my God.

A (56:10)

So sad.

B (56:10)

That's so funny. Especially because you like, not only do you fly all that way to Scotland, but like the preparation, like I remember Celebrity Brother took me like three months because you have to get like visas and you have to get the clothing. You get like everything. So like to be sent home first would be like awful. Like I just came all the way.

A (56:25)

Over here and how long do they film for? Like two weeks or something.

B (56:27)

Two weeks? Yeah. Which is actually really fast.

A (56:30)

Yeah. It's just. But obviously like you said, the preparations.

B (56:33)

Yes.

A (56:33)

It does take at least like a month. Month of your life all together.

B (56:36)

Yeah, at least. Cuz you do all that other stuff.

A (56:38)

And then the press tour is like another month or so. Yeah.

B (56:41)

The fun part though, I'm very sad I'm not on it. I guess they're filming right now.

A (56:45)

Yeah. I fear you would be too pregnant to be flying from a helicopter. Like Gabby, Wendy.

B (56:49)

Oh my God. Can you imagine Donna Kelsey doing that? I would love. That's so everyday.

A (56:54)

I haven't even thought about her doing like the challenges.

B (56:57)

That's crazy to me. But even the season before season two, like the older. And I say older as in like I'm an older woman too. But it's like MJ and all those like older women in. We're doing the one walking across the Cliff and I was like, I don't.

A (57:09)

Know, they had a zip line and stuff. Zip line.

B (57:10)

I was like, I don't know if I could do that. Yeah, like scary like, going down a cliff. I don't know. Might, like, I just be so panicked.

A (57:17)

I guess this is a good thing because if Donna Kelsey is, like, doing the challenges, then you can definitely do the challenges.

B (57:21)

That's true. I could always see someone go before me. I'm like, okay, they can do it. I can do it.

C (57:24)

There were definitely challenges that were. People set out, like, they didn't do. Like, there was, like, a bug challenge.

B (57:31)

Where, like, everyone sat out, like, MJ and all those people, like, not doing this.

A (57:34)

Yeah. And didn't Gabby say when she was here something about, like, I were having to sit down when she was her. His partner? For one.

B (57:39)

I forgot because at the end of the day, those challenges are dumb. They need to give them in community because it's like, for cash, I'm sitting out. Sorry, guys.

A (57:46)

I know. The cash pot or whatever.

B (57:48)

Yeah.

A (57:48)

That I might not even get, like, well, what the hell?

B (57:51)

I don't care about that. They need to do something different.

A (57:54)

Yeah. Like make the stakes a little bit higher.

B (57:56)

That's our trader's input.

A (57:57)

Yeah. That no one asked.

B (57:59)

See how they change the seat season? It's crazy. They're filming now, and it doesn't air until January. It seems so far away.

A (58:04)

I guess that's how they all work. But yeah, because announcing the cast so early, they kind of have to. Because I guess it would probably leak or something anyway. Yeah. Because for Drag Race, those cast leak, like, a year in advance. Because people, the fans, like, see, okay, who's canceling their gigs, who's gonna be gone for, like, this month when it's shooting? Even the. The. That's for all stars. But even, like, the regular seasons, like, people look at, like, local queens who all of a sudden are not performing and like, oh, they're gonna be.

B (58:36)

Yeah, because Colton Underwood posted yesterday for Father's Day, so I was like, how's he posting if he's in the castle? Did he get eliminated first? You know what I mean? Like, you're just like. Or someone posting. I know when I went in separate, Big brother, someone took over for me. They were, like, posting. I had, like, a British management. They were posting for me. Oh, but they. I think they posted about me being in the house. Now that I think about it.

A (58:51)

I don't know. Wasn't it live, so.

B (58:53)

Oh, right. Yes. People already knew that I was in.

C (58:57)

There in real life.

B (59:00)

Not that part. It was irl. That's good use of that, Moses.

C (59:05)

The people that make all the costumes, they know who goes on the show.

A (59:08)

Yeah, true.

B (59:09)

Oh, right, right. You have to get measured.

C (59:11)

I mean, they're spending thousands of dollars, tens of thousands of dollars on costumes.

B (59:15)

Yeah.

C (59:15)

They can tell who's going.

B (59:18)

Maybe Mike White will be on as Survivor for Traders next season.

A (59:21)

That you and Mike White on the same season would kind of be everything.

B (59:24)

Yeah, I would. I would. I would take him out so no one would suspect me because they would think I'm the thirstiest to be on the show, and I would take him.

A (59:30)

Out first just to prove a point.

B (59:32)

Yeah. Just be like, how powerful.

A (59:33)

And I feel like he would respect it because he does love competition.

B (59:36)

Yeah.

A (59:36)

Or he could hate you. It could go either way. He might respect it and cast you on White Lotus or he might, like, blacklist you so you never work again in Hollywood.

B (59:42)

Oh, yeah. No, I know myself. I'd want to be his friend. I think Gabby said she followed Bob the drag queen around, like, a little. That'd be me for sure. Just acting. Just putting on a show every chance I get.

A (59:51)

Oh, that's. Whose alliance would you be in? Who did you say? Oh, you said Johnny Weir.

B (59:55)

Johnny Weir. But now that I think about I.

A (59:56)

For.

B (59:56)

About Colton Underwood being in there, is he the one that, like, jumped walls to get rid of his dates on Bachelor?

A (60:02)

I think that was him. Yes. That was him.

B (60:04)

Yeah.

A (60:06)

Okay. Because there was. He had claims of stalking. Claims against his ex. Girlfriend.

B (60:13)

Ex girlfriend.

A (60:14)

Yes. After. In 2020. So it was a long time ago. Ago. So people weren't mad about that. But at least, I mean, in. In contrast with, like, Michael Rappaport, it's like the. I always look at the pattern of.

B (60:26)

Behavior, you know, and how recent. I'm sure all those people have something.

A (60:30)

Yeah. Donna Kelsey. I'm sure. I'm sure there's something.

B (60:33)

Don't cancel her. Do not cancel her. Probably, though, if you want to go deep enough, I'm sure there's something. I hope she wins. I like older people on that show when they're like that.

A (60:45)

I know. And honestly, everyone would want the connections to, like, Travis.

B (60:50)

Oh, for sure.

A (60:51)

And Taylor. And so, yeah, I'm like, damn if I'm an ally with Donna Kelsey. I get eras store tickets or what?

B (60:58)

Arrows part two.

A (60:59)

Yeah.

B (61:00)

I love that Taylor was at a hospital this weekend.

A (61:03)

Oh, yeah. Florida Children's Hospital.

B (61:05)

Did she just show up or. I don't understand how that works. Like, she just shows up or what?

A (61:08)

I think she, like, clears it with the staff, but, like, she plans up with the staff, but it's a surprise to the kids. Yeah.

B (61:14)

Oh, my God, that's so cute. I would, like, love to do that. I just don't know if the kids would avoid. Like, I would love to go visit kids in the hospital, but I'm like, I guess you have to have some sort of clearance first. You know what I mean?

A (61:25)

Because the kids are like, wow, thanks.

B (61:28)

Oh, yeah. I wonder if they get excited about, like, I guess, Taylor Swift.

A (61:31)

That's true.

B (61:32)

Yeah. Probably JoJo. Back in the day. Kids love JoJo.

A (61:36)

I remember Tom Holland visited a hospital at Spider man, which was so cute.

B (61:41)

Johnny Depp did as Captain Jack Sparrow.

A (61:42)

Yeah. I think Andrew Garfield did it as Spider Man 2. Or like the Avengers. Like Chris Evans And Robert Danny Jr. Did it, like, as their characters.

B (61:50)

I wish I had that influence. That'd be so cool.

A (61:52)

I guess if you. You can go as the Tavern. As the Tavern.

B (61:55)

Nobody knows. No kid. No one even knows I stopped doing it on TikTok. No one knows who that is. I wish I could be an iconic kids character. Blippi. Ms. Rachel, I would love. Oh, my God. Dang.

A (62:07)

The thought. The thought is crazy, though. You showing up and, like, just as myself.

B (62:11)

Like, we don't.

A (62:15)

Okay.

B (62:15)

That's what I'm saying. I wonder if, like, anyone can go do that or you have to get, like, special.

A (62:18)

I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure. It has to be something that's like, you know, I'm sure you could probably volunteer, though, for, like.

B (62:24)

Yeah, yeah, just who. I would love to. I need to do that. I do need to volunteer more. That's my goal.

A (62:28)

Yeah, I had a. This is Serena, but I had a coworker. I was. I had to edit the overcompensating, like, interview footage. And for some reason, the cast started asking her questions and. And I was kind of gagged and I. Oh, she's in New York and I haven't even talked to her, but they were asking her, like, oh, so where did you meet, like, your husband? She was like, oh, we were volunteering. We were reading to sick children and both volunteering. And we met and fell in love. And I was like, wow, what a great story. So volunteering, if you're single.

B (62:55)

Yeah.

A (62:56)

Having trouble meeting a man. Volunteer because at least, you know, you're meeting a nice person.

B (63:00)

That is actually so true. Yeah. Because people say meet at church was like, oh, the church these days, you know. Yeah, but some.

A (63:06)

Me.

B (63:06)

Yeah. Right. Mostly all.

A (63:09)

Yeah.

B (63:10)

But that is so true.

A (63:12)

Yeah. You do something good. And like you always say, you know, you put that energy out there.

B (63:17)

Have you ever volunteered at like, a dog.

A (63:21)

I volunteered at, like, dog and cat adoptions before. And also, like, a gay. In high school. In college for, like, I think high school for, like, to get to legalize gay marriage. I had, like, I volunteered to go door to door and campaign.

B (63:41)

You have people sign.

A (63:42)

Yeah. Or like, register. Or register to vote or something. It was like my senior year and.

B (63:47)

Does that work?

A (63:49)

I honestly don't remember. I know we had to go to Pasadena and I know me and my friend Rebecca went door to door and knocked on doors. I don't know how many signatures we got, but it passed. So I guess. I guess you're welcome. Yeah.

B (63:59)

You at the forefront of that. I love that. That's pretty cool. I didn't know that. I didn't know that about you. Yeah. I feel like that's very you to do.

A (64:06)

I would love to do that more, though. Yeah. Especially these signatures.

B (64:09)

Especially if it helps. But can you just go up to people's houses anymore?

A (64:12)

Yeah. But you never know what you're gonna get. Yeah.

B (64:14)

On both ends.

A (64:15)

Yeah.

B (64:15)

Too. I wouldn't. I don't know if I'd open my door.

A (64:17)

I can never open the door.

B (64:18)

Yeah. I don't know if I trust anyone. Even Girl Scout cookies. They used to go door to door, but I think now you just get them at Ralph's or something like that.

A (64:25)

Yeah.

B (64:25)

Are they out now? No.

A (64:27)

I feel like I haven't seen them right now out. I saw them maybe last year was the last time I saw them, but. Yeah.

B (64:33)

I love Girl Scout cookies.

A (64:34)

Actually. Maybe it was a couple months ago. I forget. But I know there was, like, a thing for Girl Scouts where it was like. It was online. I saw it was, like, for girls who, like, they were having. I think they were like, minorities and, like, they weren't getting enough, like, people buying their cookies. So people got together to promote their links to buy Girl Scouts from. And that was so cute.

B (64:55)

I do love that. I know. I wonder that with social media, I was like, do people, like, cheat now? If they. They're like, parent has a lot of followers.

A (65:00)

They do.

B (65:02)

Like, Malcolm, start selling cookies. I'm like, everyone buy these cookies. This link right here. It's like $1 million for the girl Scouts. Like, it's not really fair, Right?

A (65:09)

I feel like. No. Yeah. Because even my aunt, she. She doesn't really know her. My cousin don't know much about, like, social media and stuff. And then they entered, like, this contest for, like, babies. Like a cute baby photo competition. I don't know what the hell it was to be honest. Honest seemed kind of. It was on Facebook. They caught it. I felt like a scam to me, to be honest. They're like, oh, can you like promote this? And I was like, honestly, that feels unfair. If I'm like, yeah, yeah.

B (65:34)

I don't. Did. No, that's how I feel too.

A (65:37)

Yeah.

B (65:38)

I think there's been influencers who've done that. I'm like, I don't know about that.

A (65:40)

Me either.

C (65:41)

I'm like, the bottom line is raising money. So if you help raising more.

B (65:44)

But there's like a competition within the Girl Scouts. Like whoever raised the most gets prizes and stuff.

C (65:48)

Right. But the competition purpose is to raise more. I know.

B (65:51)

So this should take away the price. Price.

A (65:53)

Yeah. If it was just for like charity. Yeah. And no, like personal incentive, then yeah, yeah. That's.

B (66:00)

You got the most money raised. It's like it shouldn't be a competition. Becky. I do love Girl Scout cookies though. If they're out for sale, let me know. I never. I always miss them. I never know when they're.

A (66:11)

Did you ever try the Girl Scout cookie body wash and deodorant? That was something fierce though.

B (66:15)

I didn't want where at Target or where.

A (66:18)

I forget what brand it was. I know I saw it at Target and I was excited about it at first because I was like, oh, I love Girl Scout cookies. And then I went to go sniff them and I was like, oh, this is diabolical.

B (66:27)

I want to wash. And a thin mint.

A (66:29)

Honestly. Yeah, I. For some reason I thought it was going to be good because I love a sweet scent. But these were like.

B (66:34)

To wash him.

A (66:35)

No, these were like next level. Like these were just intense.

B (66:39)

I need a dial soap. What do you use?

A (66:42)

I use EOS body wash. Yeah.

B (66:45)

Oh, like the.

A (66:46)

Yes, the Circle lip balm. But is it bougie?

B (66:50)

I think so. I think is $179. It's cheap. That's fancy. Oh my gosh.

A (66:56)

Yeah. I do like a eos cuz my lotion is also. So I like to layer the scent together. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (67:02)

Try dial. It's so good. It's so clean. It just feels like sterile. It always is sold out when I go to my cv.

A (67:08)

They use that for the baby ducks. Right, Right. Is that what they use for the.

B (67:11)

Oh, no, Dawn. Yeah, should try that too. Right. I remember they did that. I think it Saved by the Bell. They did that. They tried to save the ducks by washing them with dish soap work.

A (67:21)

Yeah.

B (67:21)

But I think they ended up killing them. They were dying because of it. Yeah. In the episode. Yes.

A (67:27)

I haven't never seen Saved by the Bell, but I think what I think. Don't.

B (67:30)

I've never seen Saved by the Bell.

A (67:32)

I think the dish soap works for. For saving the ducks in the oil spill.

B (67:37)

Something happened. Type in the ducks. Saved by the Bell. They definitely ended up passing away. The next day they came back. They were trying to help them, and then all the ducks died.

A (67:46)

I don't. I'm confused about this plot line, to be honest.

B (67:49)

No, I just remember they're like, we're clean. The ducks. And then the next day the ducks were dead. And I was like, what the hell happened?

A (67:55)

Okay. I don't think that dawn did so kill them.

B (67:57)

Well, I don't know dawn, but they cleaned them. And I remember they were like. It was like, not good for them or something like that. And then they all band together. They all wanted this new and improved Bayside and High School, but that meant putting, like, oil rigs, and the oil rigs are spilling on the ducks.

A (68:10)

And then. Yes. Yeah, that is in this little description.

B (68:12)

Okay.

A (68:13)

And then afterwards, they. They refused the drilling. The oil drilling, I guess because the ducks died. Yes.

B (68:19)

Yeah. And maybe the oil.

A (68:21)

Becky, the doc died from sticky black goo.

B (68:24)

And they brought her in and there was nothing.

A (68:26)

I think the soap. I think the oil killed Becky the duck.

B (68:28)

Maybe.

A (68:29)

I think that could have been the one that makes more sense.

B (68:32)

Yeah. I've never seen about. He grew up in California. Was it not popular?

A (68:38)

No. Or maybe I was too young when it came out.

B (68:42)

But, like, reruns. My sister watched it. She's like, your age.

A (68:46)

Honestly, I never trusted that Mario Lopez. And I think I was on the right side of history.

B (68:50)

What is happening with that?

A (68:51)

With him? Yeah, I know. He.

B (68:55)

He.

A (68:56)

He did something with the Tate brothers recently before they got re. Arrested or whatever.

B (69:01)

So did you see this morning?

A (69:02)

No.

B (69:02)

He got like, served papers.

A (69:04)

Oh, no, I didn't see that.

B (69:05)

Oh. And it's like they' like. But people were like, saying, like, you can't serve people by, like, they're trying to give it to him. He's there shirtless by his gate. He ignores them. Then the person, like, throws the papers in the gate. And then someone else is filming, and someone said, you're not allowed to film if you're serving people. And everyone's asking, Grok, I don't know what grock is, but it's on Twitter. Everyone's at rock. Why is he being served? Grok is coming up with who knows what they're just making up. Grock had different things. Like, different. It was crazy. So, I mean, I don't know what happened. Is that like.

C (69:32)

But people always are filmed being served.

B (69:35)

Like, oh, okay. So that's what I'm saying. Grock doesn't know because Rock was like, oh, we can't film people being served.

C (69:39)

And Grok is the AI on Twitter. Twitter.

B (69:45)

He's giving a lot of different answers.

A (69:46)

Served.

B (69:47)

You see it?

A (69:48)

Yeah. I don't know what someone. Marlop has served my $10 million defamation lawsuit today.

B (69:56)

Does he work for someone? Said NBC was suing him.

A (69:58)

Yeah, he works for NBC.

B (70:01)

Is he still someone else? Someone else told me. I don't know if this true. He was off for two weeks. He's been gone for two weeks?

A (70:06)

Oh, I don't know. I haven't kept up.

B (70:07)

Wait, so why were you saying you don't trust Mario Lopez? I thought this was the whole tie in. No, something else.

A (70:11)

Oh, no, I just hadn't. I always had a weird feeling about him.

B (70:14)

Really?

A (70:15)

Yeah. Ever since I saw him. Like, when I saw clips of him on the show, I was like, this gives me weird vibes.

B (70:20)

Okay. I think most people kind of agree. I don't know. I don't know much about him, but he's always hosted extra for like, 20 years or something, hasn't he? He's been like that host forever.

A (70:27)

Yeah, he does Access Hollywood now. Now.

B (70:29)

Oh, he switched.

A (70:30)

Yeah, he switched when I left.

B (70:32)

I think he switched downgrade.

A (70:36)

I don't know. I think same grade.

B (70:38)

Is he still standing outside the Grove?

A (70:41)

No, no, they should have. You're on the Universal lot, so I guess upgrade in that sense.

B (70:47)

I love that backup.

A (70:48)

Yeah.

B (70:49)

How does he interview people?

A (70:51)

They come to him. I mean, you've been to Access. It's like there where you came when I worked.

B (70:55)

Oh, that's not really the back lot.

A (70:56)

That's like backlot adjacent.

B (70:57)

Yeah, I want to be on the back lot. Like by Desperate Housewives. Wisteria Lane. That's weird.

A (71:03)

Okay. Yeah, adjacent.

B (71:05)

Well, I guess he's not working there anymore. Allegedly. I don't know.

A (71:08)

I don't know either.

B (71:09)

Oh, I'm sure you didn't see this. I saw the day everyone was talking about it.

A (71:11)

I saw that in Twitter. Yeah, but there's no articles about it right now, so I don't know what the deal is.

B (71:17)

You are ahead of it with the Mario Lopez. I thought that was your transition.

A (71:21)

No, that was just a gut feeling.

B (71:23)

So you didn't watch it by the.

A (71:24)

Bomb No, I didn't. Other one around. Around that.

B (71:27)

California Dreams.

A (71:28)

Never watched that. I didn't even watch 9210 or anything either. Were they at the same time?

B (71:32)

Yeah, I never watched. No. 901 was a little. I don't know. I didn't watch out to you. No either. Did you watch Family Matters?

A (71:38)

I don't think so.

B (71:39)

With Urkel.

A (71:41)

I think I would. Ended up watching it on free. It's called. I think it's free form now. ABC Family. When they would do like the old block.

B (71:50)

I am.

A (71:51)

It was like Full House. House Family Matters, which. Speaking of Full House, Candace Cameron Bray triggered. She is wild to me. I'm sorry. She is wild. A little crazy.

B (72:03)

I think I told most about this. It wasn't even my hard time. I told him about this last week. I was like, this is. She's nuts.

A (72:08)

She refuses to watch any scary movies because she said that you are opening up a portal. She said if you're watching a scary movie or even playing a video game, the portal could let stuff inside of your home. Home girl. She said, I don't even want someone watching a scary movie in our house on the tv. To me, it's just a portal. And she said, I'm in the film industry. I understand how it all works. I know that movie specifically has a crew of 200 people and they're lighting it and adding the sound effects and its makeup and camera people and actors. However, there's still something that can be incredibly demonic while they've made it.

B (72:41)

Film industry is pushing it. I don't know how many films. Candace Cameron. Besides Hallmark movies, I don't know if that can counts. Lifetime movies. I don't know if she's really in the mix of it. Also spoken like a true demon because what do you mean there's a portal? How do you know all this unless you're a demonic yourself? Like, you know, there's no demons in my house. You know, I mean. Yeah, I get it. Scary movies are scary. Except that one that. That maybe I'm with her on there, but she's. She's cuckoo. Because there was one more part to it too, too. It was, oh, there was something like One step Further that she said, is there more?

A (73:23)

I only have that clip. And then she talks to her pastor and the pastor said that like the actresses, even if they're like, if they're playing a witch, they usually research witchcraft and they end up becoming real witches.

B (73:37)

Well, first of all, witches rule, okay. Which has been here before. Religion, okay? Wiccans the original religion. So, okay, there was one thing. You remember I told you about Candace Kimberly saying something else. It was one other thing beyond the scary movie. Oh, Liquid Death.

A (73:53)

Oh, yes, I did see that. I did see that.

B (73:55)

Even Liquid Death. Why are you on. Just the name alone brings out, like, what are you literally. Are you on something? This is why I don't trust religious people too much. Okay. I love God, spirituality, Buddhism, Love it all. But people who like our church and, like, very, like, the church does this and we're anti this. That's giving me demon vibes. Because every. Every deity I studied doesn't say anti anything. They're never like, no gays at the Buddha's house. No. You know what I mean? Like, she's. She's like a different level, and it's giving demonic. And then when I saw the liquid death, I was like, bffr. You know, like, it was just. It was so weird, and I was, like, agreeing with her.

A (74:36)

Yes. I was like, this podcast.

B (74:39)

Oh, my. Yeah.

A (74:40)

Who's tuning? Who's seated for this podcast?

B (74:42)

Who was.

A (74:42)

Watch her watch. Winning.

B (74:44)

Oh, my God. No. No one's winning an Emmy. Especially not Candace Cameron Bray. I think she's one. She's one celebrity I would love to see just, you know, maybe exit the spotlight. Like, her brother did that too. Kirk Cameron exited spot. He was a little cuckoo with the religion. He was, like, so nuts. And it's like, I get it. Like, okay. But also, it's always the religious ones not to bash religion too much, because again, I do love. I love a Jesus. I love God. Like Mark Wahlberg, you know, it's always like, those that are just a little extreme. Shia LaBeouf.

A (75:11)

Yeah.

B (75:11)

He became extreme Catholic. And again, I grew up Catholic. Not knocking the religion, but just some of the people in it use it as this weird shield to be, like, judging others.

A (75:20)

Yeah.

B (75:21)

So I don't think Jesus would judge. And you know how I know this? Because the AI Jesus does not judge. He's like, hey, Chat. Not judging, but Mary Magdalene came to my door, accepted. And he's just like, cool. I'm like, they're not that cool. You know what I mean?

A (75:31)

Yeah. There is a disconnect.

B (75:33)

I'm a Team JoJo on this one.

A (75:35)

Yeah. This is why she'll never be on the JoJo C. Wall now podcast.

B (75:38)

But, JoJo, you and I could team up against her, because, honestly, her. Her. Michael Rapaport, they should just be banished to an island.

A (75:49)

Private Island. Mr. Beast. Private Island.

B (75:51)

Yes. Mr. Beast was in a JLo video.

C (75:55)

Mar.

A (75:57)

I'm dead. That mix up.

B (76:01)

I knew it was something. Okay. Damn. How was it real? Cuz I just saw the little like clip of him, but it looked like almost AI like him. Like weird vendors and like the making.

C (76:10)

Just mentioned Hood Beast. We just mentioned. That's what I'm saying.

B (76:13)

Was it Hood Beast in there?

C (76:16)

And it's something had to do with Fortnite.

A (76:18)

It was supposed to be like a Fortnite skin of Hood Beast. So that's why it looked.

B (76:21)

Oh, so it wasn't him. It was like a skin.

A (76:23)

I. It was him. I don't know. It was weird. It looked kind of like AI, but I think it was maybe him but.

B (76:29)

Made to look like Mariah. Know your audience. No one wants Mr. Beast in your video.

A (76:33)

No, I think the problem is her son is a streamer. And yeah, her son. Her son seems very sweet for sure, but he is in the streaming world, so I think maybe her son was like, oh, we should definitely get Mr.

B (76:47)

Beast. Oh, no, I know.

A (76:48)

But her daughter is a girly because she loves like Olivia, Rodrigo and Sabrina and like all that stuff. So we need her to step up.

B (76:57)

And be like, no, mom, let's collab with Sabrina and not with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big yikes. I was like, not Mr. Beast. That's like David Dobrik appearing in like a Britney Spears video or something like that. Oh my God.

A (77:10)

The craziest part was the director Joseph Khan tweeted there's gonna be an Internet shattering cameo surprise in the new Mariah Carey video. And then all the lambs were like, this was it. And the Lambs were not happy.

B (77:23)

Yikes. Also, shout out Joseph Khan who directed me in the Eminem music video. Love him. I love that that he's still directing. He's so iconic. Wild. It is giving traders being like, we have someone so explosive this season. It's like, my God. Like, okay, literally anyone else but that. Okay, well, you know, it's probably impactful. Did it help views? I don't know.

A (77:41)

I don't know either. Did he promote it that much? I don't know.

B (77:44)

Yeah. Does his fans? Okay, we watch Mariah Carey.

A (77:46)

Are the Beasters gonna go crossover?

C (77:50)

Because nobody that likes Mariah Carey know who Mr. Beast is.

B (77:53)

Yeah, yeah. And the ones that do don't want him in there. We're like, well, we don't want to watch this Mariah. And I love Mariah. I think she's like iconic.

A (77:59)

Yeah.

B (77:59)

Love Joseph Khan too. But I don't know if that was the Move. Who would we have casted in Mariah Carey video that everyone would have gagged?

A (78:04)

Vanilla Mace, I fear. Yeah, she would ate that up.

B (78:08)

That would have been so her opening.

A (78:09)

Up like a little laboo in the. Oh my God. That would have been the moment. That would have been everything.

B (78:12)

You know Addison can get on it next music video cast Vanilla Mace. I think that be so good. I would have cast her if I had another music video. I don't know if any amount of money could get her cuz I know she's booked in busy but damn, you're right. Vanilla Mason and Mariah would have been everything.

A (78:26)

Yeah.

B (78:26)

Cross over the century.

A (78:27)

That's why I need her daughter to step up and be like, come on.

B (78:30)

Mom, this is where it's at. The kids of the celebrities nowadays really are the taste makers, which I love. I really do think that's the only reason Gerard Way even knew who I was because of his daughter.

A (78:40)

Oh yeah. That's what she. Yeah, yeah.

B (78:42)

I was like, I think that's. And that's what I like to see. You know what I mean? Where it's like.

A (78:46)

And like Apple Martin probably telling Gwyneth about you, I assume.

B (78:49)

I love Apple. Don't know if Gwyneth would love me. I love her. We love her.

A (78:54)

Or at least S Rena would freaking team up with you because her daughters love you.

B (78:58)

That's true. Well, they did 10 years ago on Real Housewives. I don't know if they still do.

A (79:01)

No, I think they still do.

B (79:02)

Really? I haven't seen anything. I'm pretty sure.

A (79:04)

I think Harry Daniels told us like last year that they still like Amelia.

B (79:08)

Amelia likes and Delilah, right? Is that the names? Love. Love them both.

A (79:12)

Yeah. Cuz Amelia, I think she's the one that's always with Gabriette. Charlie XCX's friend and Harry Daniels is friends with Gabriette. So I think that's the me tying the loose ends together.

B (79:22)

Love that. Well, I do. I do love Lisa Rinna. I am excited to see her because to me she's not even a housewife. To me she's like an actress. She was like on Melrose Place and I feel like I know her from that kind of stuff.

A (79:32)

And she's messy. I like. I think she'll be like purposefully just a mess. So I think that's fun.

B (79:39)

I know it's hard to say in those situations. I know I would think I would be a mess on that show. But I know I also am like a wallflower when it comes to Like, I'm intimidated by other people a lot, you know? So I think I feel like I might blend in. I don't know.

A (79:49)

But I think when you see the cameras and then you're in your little Scottish outfit and then Alan Cummings is there that you would turn it on too.

B (79:55)

I feel like I might be more scared. Like, I think I might, like, be like, oh, I'm an imposter. Like, why am I here? Although I could go into, like an accent, you know, like a character study. Yeah. Like, Ella, what are we doing today in the castle? You know?

A (80:06)

Oh, my God. Lee. You as the tavern maid and traitors.

B (80:10)

Oh, I would just wear that outfit the whole day, actually. That's so good because I do a little Scottish. Yeah.

C (80:22)

I can see her walking out. She's a traitor. And she's walking out to the room with the gown because she's just in.

B (80:26)

Character in the Trader gown or the Tavern gown.

C (80:30)

The Trader. Because it's kind of the same.

B (80:32)

I want to be an accident. Okay. If I go on the show, I want to be in an accent the whole time. That'd be so fun. Just keep switching it up. Oh, my God. That's my time to shine next season. God, I hope they get picked up for another season because they were only picked up for four, so.

A (80:43)

Oh, really?

B (80:44)

Yeah.

A (80:45)

I feel like it has to get picked up again, don't you think? It's so popular.

B (80:47)

But then is Alan coming? Coming back? He might. For more money. I wouldn't do it if he wasn't the host. I would hate to go over there. And it's like that happened to be my freshman year of high. No, Sophomore year of high school, I joined the golf team because the teacher was like, really hot. And then he got replaced by an old lady. Oh, he was like a hot young teacher. And then like, literally it was like this old, like old, old lady. Like literally a 65, 70 year old lady teaching us how to golf. And I was like, it's not what I signed up for.

A (81:10)

Damn.

B (81:11)

My parents wouldn't let me quit or my mom.

A (81:13)

So you were stuck playing golf.

B (81:15)

I played golf. Golf. You can Google that. I'm in the golf team. You can see our teacher. She was sweet, but also not hot. And if you Google the teacher the year before, he was like a really. Oh, teacher. Yeah. And I think, like, that would happen on the Traders. It's like, I finally get to be there and then it's like, oh, no, be a Carolyn Ray or something. Hosting. She hosted everything. Do you know her no. Oh, my gosh. She was the biggest loser. She was on Sabrina the Teenage Witch. Like, she was.

A (81:38)

Oh, that. I love her. The blonde lady. Yeah.

B (81:41)

But, you know, I don't want to, like, she'd be the one instead of, you know, I don't know who was. Was I thinking of? Oh, no, I thought, I thought Billy Porter on Traders, but he's. He's doing Hunger Games. Love that. Love him. That was great. I know. For some reason I was like, I saw it as like a trader. Oh. Someone was asking about the Traders, like, why all their portraits are so bad.

A (82:03)

I was wondering that too. I have always hated the portraits. It looks like they were taken on an iPhone, like, and then weirdly photoshopped. Yeah.

B (82:10)

But they're always like a weird up close angle. Or like this. It is weird. Someone said it's the ones they submit for casting, but they all are shot the same way, so I don't think so.

A (82:17)

No. I feel like the same day they're doing little promo videos, they're shooting that. Yeah. Which is so weird.

B (82:24)

Oh, man. Traitor's casting news.

A (82:27)

My favorite Zoe Saldana saying her Oscar identifies as they them and is trans.

B (82:33)

This is the same day we're talking about our Labu boos.

A (82:35)

Yeah.

B (82:37)

What they identify as. Okay, well, I. I feel like as.

A (82:41)

I. I get why everyone was so upset because also like the controversy around Emilia Perez, but I feel like this is something that you would end up saying. I feel like you're my Oscar.

B (82:50)

That's what I'm saying. Our labo boos were going there. I was trying to figure out. Because you mean it sincerely. Well, I don't know. She meant sincerely. I meant mine sincerely. Because you just don't know. You don't ever offend people. Especially the boo boos are so big in queer culture. You don't want to like, offend.

A (83:04)

Yeah.

B (83:05)

You know what I mean?

A (83:05)

And they do have with the boo boos, there is lore where the little ones are girls.

B (83:10)

So it is a little confus Oscar. However, I guess it's never been stated.

A (83:17)

Yeah.

B (83:18)

You know, I guess you assume the name, but you shouldn't do that.

A (83:20)

Yeah.

B (83:21)

You know, I don't know.

A (83:24)

I wonder. I think because I think because Amelia Perez was very tone deaf, that that is why, like everyone was already upset that it was nominated for so many Oscars. Everyone was pretty upset that she won, even though her performance was good. But it's just like the movie, the songs, everything around found it was so bad.

B (83:44)

The scene was atrocious.

A (83:46)

Yeah. This music Was.

B (83:47)

Yeah.

A (83:47)

Yes. And the fact that even Glad had an issue with statements saying this was not good transition.

B (83:52)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

A (83:54)

Yeah. So you probably should just, like, avoid stoking those flames, so to speak.

B (84:00)

Right, right, right, right. I'm with you there. I also feel like maybe she just thought, okay, this whole movie is problematic. I just need to join in, you know, I just need to also sink the ship for a. Like, let me just also say some. Because it's a wild thing to say. So long after, like, why did you say that? Who did you say it to? Was it clipped?

A (84:15)

She was at the LA premiere of Elio, which is the new Disney Pixar movie, and she got asked about her Oscar win. She said, we have it in my office and my Oscar is gender fluid, before adding that it is trans.

B (84:28)

Okay, that's where she lost me. I love a gender fluid.

A (84:30)

Yeah, you could. I feel like if she just. Because also, it's not like she act like she got asked, like, oh, what does your Oscar identify as? Just go ask, like, where she keeps it, you know.

B (84:46)

I know, like, she got caught up in Pride month. She's like, let's just. And I love that. I love the representation again.

A (84:54)

It's almost like intentions probably good, but just, like, couldn't read the room.

B (84:58)

Right, right, right.

A (84:59)

The vibes.

B (85:00)

How old is she? She's like our age. My age, 46. Oh, she looked great.

A (85:04)

Yeah, she does look amazing.

B (85:05)

Right? So give that. That's like older millennial. Like, you know, she means well. Me too. Me at Pride. Honestly.

A (85:12)

Everyone have your poppers.

B (85:14)

Oh, just. It's okay to be gay. I was like, okay, just. You just shout things you don't really know. You know, attentions are good. Yes. But, you know, well, period. Well, I. I just think. Yeah. Doesn't need to go into the detail.

A (85:31)

Yeah. I think to not even be asked, like, what is your Oscar identify?

B (85:37)

Fun. She just wanted to say it. She's supporting, I think.

A (85:41)

Yeah, she did. Obviously meant well. She's probably proud of the fact that, like, yeah, she's like, no, I'm still, you know, you know, supporting the trans community, but I know when you send.

B (85:49)

Me stuff on Twitter, it really is us all the time.

A (85:52)

Literally everything is so us. The other one was, like, out eating Ozempic, like, gaining weight on it. Oh, Tracy Morgan, Tracy Morgan.

B (85:58)

I'm like, today you sent me one that was like, I wish. What was it like?

A (86:02)

I spent my year skinny, thinking I was fat and that now I'm fat. Thank you. Or something like, that.

B (86:08)

Yeah. Now I'm actually fat. Yeah. Honestly, I know. When I look back, I'm like, God, what are we watching? A reality house? I was like, my body was so good, and I really did think I was so fat back then, too.

A (86:18)

And it was teeny. You were so teeny.

B (86:19)

I know. Well, it's okay.

A (86:22)

That's more of the story. So the younger.

B (86:24)

Yeah.

A (86:25)

Don't learn from our mistakes and just embrace her body where it's at right now, even now.

B (86:29)

Think about us when we're, like, 70. We're gonna wish we had these bodies.

A (86:33)

You spelled so true, Queen.

B (86:35)

Thanks.

A (86:35)

Yeah.

B (86:36)

Love that.

A (86:38)

Going back to the gay. Gay best friend.

B (86:41)

I love. I know. When you're talking about that, I was like, you should say it to me, like, wasn't feeling that donut clean. I like it. It's a good character. I like it. That's you on traitors.

A (86:52)

Honestly. Yeah. My defense mechanism, just being like. I do fall back on that, like, as a. Because you can't be mad at just like a. You know.

B (87:02)

Of course. That's a good one to fall back, though. That is a good one.

A (87:04)

Yeah, it is. Like, I was. When I was talking to Austin about this, he was saying how, like, when he tries to be funny, a lot of times he has to, like, edit it out of his podcast because, like, he doesn't want it being taken out of context. I'm like, damn, you do have to think about that when you're an attractive gay, because, you know, I can be cutesy and say stuff that he can't.

B (87:22)

That is so true. I feel like that with, like, attractive girls, too, and stuff like that, you know, it's like they can say. Can't say. You know what I mean? Like, I can, you know, because I'm like a. An ogre in a cute way. In like, a Shrek way, not an ogre. I know. I don't like Shrek. When people say that's like, a compliment. I was like, there's no compliment there. Even Fiona Shrek. I don't like it. Ogres aren't bad. Not awful.

A (87:48)

Didn't you just audition for the new Shrek? Wasn't that your little audition?

B (87:51)

Is there a new. Oh, right.

A (87:53)

Zendaya. But you. You have come.

B (87:55)

She is trans. A trans ogre in that one. Right?

A (87:57)

I think people. There's a fan theory that she is. Because the baby's eyes from Shrek 3 are the same. Or from. Or the boy. The. The boy baby ogre have brown eyes, and she has brown eyes.

B (88:10)

Oh, I see.

A (88:10)

But the girl had blue eyes, so I think. Yeah. The consistency just a conspiracy not confirmed.

B (88:18)

Yeah, love that. Well, you know, know, Oscars at the end of the day are not anything. They're non existent. So true. Again, I don't think you need to. I thought about that. The Labu was. I guess we don't need to like, identify them. They're really not.

A (88:32)

It makes more sense. Labubus makes more sense. Yeah. Because they do have genders in the lore. Oscars are just kind of. It's just like a trophy, you know, it's not like a character. Lab is our actual character, so that makes more sense.

B (88:44)

People hate the Labubu talk, but Cher had a labo on her bag, so I think they're officially taking over. People like, let's laboo talk. I was like, okay, well, I told.

A (88:52)

You, it's the pendulum. It's.

B (88:53)

I know.

A (88:54)

Sabrina Carpenter lab. Everyone's getting it.

B (88:56)

Everyone.

A (88:56)

And I knew it was coming. I knew from the jump it was coming.

B (88:59)

Wow. What is happening over there? So loud. What are you eating? I know. Oh, my God. Not to be John. I literally just felt like John and Kate right there. Oh, my God. I felt like Kate Gosselin when he was breathing. She was, what are you doing? And he's like, nothing. She's like, no, you're breathing. You're.

A (89:17)

Think.

C (89:17)

She was like, can you please breathe? Like, not be soon?

B (89:20)

Yeah. She's like, that was. Oh, my God. That was me. So sorry. I caught myself being. What were you doing? What were you digging for?

C (89:26)

I'm going to let you know now.

B (89:27)

Are you going to show something as a hot topic? No, you are not at all. There's a gag coming in there. I can feel it. Your hand is holding something.

C (89:34)

It's for me.

B (89:36)

Is it chocolate?

C (89:37)

No.

B (89:38)

Okay. He's going to show something soon. I have a feeling. I know. Know it. He's waiting for the moment.

A (89:45)

JoJo Siwa reacted to Miley Cyrus's joke that we talked about.

B (89:49)

Oh. Oh, yes, I did see this.

A (89:51)

Yes.

B (89:51)

Did we not talk about this?

A (89:52)

No, we talked about at the time. We only saw Miley's joke, not JoJo's response to Miley's joke. Yeah.

B (89:57)

We're always like, just. It must have been hours.

A (90:00)

Yeah, this is a couple hours behind, but that's okay. But yeah, Miley Cyrus made a joke that she was gonna go back in the closet and. And find Jojo Se wa. At World Pride.

B (90:12)

And at World Pride.

A (90:13)

Yeah. It must have been not the day was there.

B (90:16)

Yeah.

A (90:17)

Yeah, June 7th. What day were you?

B (90:19)

The June 6th. I didn't know she was supposed to be on there.

A (90:22)

I, I don't think she performed. I think she just did a little video.

C (90:25)

Right?

A (90:26)

Yeah.

B (90:26)

Oh, got it, got it.

A (90:29)

And yeah, so she made a joke at World Pride and then JoJo responded and this was a few days later she replied. On June 12 she said, I was happy on my fifth birthday having a Miley themed and I'm still Happy now at 22. I wasn't sure how I felt about things for a couple of days, but I started to come to some thoughts. I don't believe what Miley said at World Pride was ill intended, honestly. I think it was meant to be a joke, but not a very good one. And she said that while she understood that it was a joke, that it probably should have stayed in the draft, she said, not what the world or myself needs to hear any day of the week. I messaged Miley light heartedly about it and she replied and said all love, all love ways. I think that's a good response from JoJo. I like that she thought about it. It wasn't like, you know. Yeah, especially at 22, I feel like it's some growth. Right?

B (91:17)

Love it. I do love it. Yes. I think. And she's, you know, probably right. You know what I mean? Like the jokes, whatever. I wish she would keep the same energy for some of her friends in life and not just Colleen, but like Todrick, you know, like some of these friends that are done some dubious things. She like defends them so hardcore that have like really hurt people. And then she makes these really great statements about, yeah, jokes that could be hurtful, but it's like, why, where was that same energy for people? You know what I mean? And not only does she not speak out against people doing like harmful things, but she like, I guess I always think about her like victim blaming everybody. And again, not just the choline situation, but I'm like, where, where is that energy for your like friends who you should be holding accountable, right? Because you care about them, you want them to do better, you want the world to see them better. And I think you do them a disservice when you don't call them out and meanwhile you're like, everyone else is lying. So I know it was like a couple years years ago, but she always has this like energy for celebrities and jokes and again, love it keeps the same energy for her influencer friends.

A (92:11)

Yeah, that's a good point. Not just when it serves you, you know, you have to have. Because that's what it feels like. Like when someone, once she has, like when she is personally affected by it, she can like speak up. Especially when you have a big brand and you're big platform, like, you still have to. You should keep that same energy for things that you aren't personal affected by as well.

B (92:32)

Yes. And like, you know, obviously when a lot of people are affected by it, like, stand up for it, even if it's empathetic.

A (92:37)

Yeah.

B (92:38)

Yeah. So I don't like, love that. That's my only, only beef with JoJo. So it does like me. It just like bothers me because it's like, I do love that she stands up for like little things like this. It's like, yes, it's like little. But also it is important to be like, yeah, it's like it hurts this.

A (92:50)

You know, I'm still like, yeah, her queer identity being. Feeling like it's being erased. I get that. Like, why stand up for that?

B (92:56)

Yeah. So I think she put the energy for so many people. She could be like this little activist warrior that everyone loves. But true when you don't see that same energy for your friends and actually victim blame other people. I just is something that I've held on to for too long and I just am like, well, hopefully she's grown. It's been a couple years, but, you know.

A (93:13)

Yeah.

B (93:13)

Or Abby Lee is another one that she defends a lot. And I'm like, I see so many girls have been like, I feel victimized by her and always just being like, no, that's not true. Because that didn't happen to me. You know, like, those kind of things. That's my only thing. And I get it. Look, I also can be very hypocritical, Jojo. So I'm like, I'm with you. You. I'm just trying to tell you where I get a little lost love, that you can speak out for yourself, you as you should, but you're also very influential and everyone's talking about you. So I think you could also do that for other people, including Abby Lee's victims, which there's a lot of, you know, a lot of girls are like, Abby Lee tortured me mentally and, you know, mentally abused me. I did DM Nia. And I was like, you want to come on the podcast? Because I'm so. I so need to know her story of it all, you know, but kudos, JoJo, for speaking out. And I love that she DM Miley, love that Miley said, like, text her back. I get it. Because it is so easy. I mean, I'm sure I did too. Like, we went two weeks ago and probably said something about. Something about her. But, you know, it's easy. Jokes. But jokes can hurt.

A (94:09)

Yeah. And especially when you, like, idolize a person too. I totally feel the fact that she.

B (94:14)

Showed the picture from her, like, fifth birthday.

A (94:16)

Oh. When you're like a stand of someone, you're like, oh, damn, it hurts a little bit. Bit more. Yeah. Even though of course Miley is like. I mean, she's pan herself. So I think she definitely understands like the queer spectrum. You know, it was like a joke for sure.

B (94:30)

But yeah, Joe didn't like it and she spoke out about it.

A (94:33)

Yeah. I think at least like last week we talked about how maybe she'll look at her a childhood differently when her brain develops.

B (94:41)

Yeah, she said that, right?

A (94:42)

Yeah, she said that. Now she, you know, waited a few days to craft a response that was, you know, very eloquent and well put. So I. I feel like we're seeing growth.

B (94:52)

Yeah.

A (94:53)

22. Yeah.

B (94:55)

So much growth. I know. I think about that. I was like, oh, God, like, nobody. Like what? Like the David Dober. When I knew him at 22, he would never. You know what I mean? Like, didn't it.

A (95:02)

I. We're seeing. It's a trajectory, I think. And let's celebrate that. You know, I mean, let's, you know, people like to be really critical and I get. She is. She does deserve some criticism. Not invalidating that, but I think think she is learning and she is very, really, really young in child star syndrome. Like the sympathy people have for other child stars, I feel like they should still have for JoJo because she is also very much a child star.

B (95:24)

Oh, for sure. And like a very crazy one because it's like reality show and it's like, yeah, her. Her child stardom was a weird path.

A (95:32)

Yeah. And very blurred lines to what's real, what's fake.

B (95:36)

Are you acting? Are you performing?

A (95:37)

Which part of this is performance which isn't like, there's a lot too.

B (95:40)

No, it's so concerning. It'll always be the most concerning that she doesn't think like, Abby Lee. That Abby Lee was like, is the reason she. Like, she's successful and like, she. It's like so bizarre to me. I was like, I believe is a monster. I called out my own crowd at Philadelphia when they started chanting. I was all like, oh, no. Like, not happily. There's nothing again. There's nothing queen about it. Honestly. Honestly, now That I think about it, okay. If someone's like, we're going to ruffle feathers a season on the Traders. And it was Abby Lee. Okay. Kind of a serve, right? Because there are people that love her and she's polar. Polarizing. Michael Rapport's not happy. You know what I mean? Like, he's. There's nothing redeeming about him. I don't think there's anything redeeming about Abby Lee, but I get that there's a fandom behind her. Mike Rapport. Where's the Michael Rapport fans? Sorry. It still bothers me so much that he's on there. Like, why that's so weird. Like, what put the Avon on there? So maybe you want someone controversial. Is it he? I don't know. My dad brought him up this weekend. I was like, I don't know.

A (96:36)

People really seem to love him. I don't know. I think. I don't know.

B (96:41)

I heard he had, like. I don't know. I thought he had someone controversial on recently. I have no idea.

A (96:46)

He always has controversial people, though, I think. But I think people still.

B (96:50)

All right.

A (96:51)

Love him. I don't really know.

B (96:52)

I don't know either, actually.

A (96:53)

He's a man, so it's a lot easier. As we know, that's a man with.

B (96:56)

A mullet and a Southern accent.

A (96:58)

We love him. And a man especially plays the middle a little bit. I feel like it's. He gets away with a lot because he's kind of a piece of pieces. Both groups, I guess. Okay.

B (97:06)

No, hate.

A (97:07)

Someone else who called out a little encounter was Doja Cat. Have you seen the Doja Cat controversy all over?

B (97:12)

Yes, I want to talk about this one.

A (97:14)

Oh, my God. It's. Oh, I'm excited. I'm excited for Moses's take on this.

B (97:18)

I know this was a hot topic for you. You didn't mention it all weekend.

C (97:20)

It was because it was horrible.

A (97:23)

Okay, I'm excited about. Okay, I got. I'll set it up. Moses, I'll tee you up.

B (97:30)

Best setups.

A (97:31)

So there was a video that went viral a couple weeks ago on June 6th. I remember when I saw this, I instantly was like, this is kind of weird. But Pablo Tamayo, he's a Tik Tocker, met DOA Cat outside of a party, I believe, in West Hollywood, and said that he. In this tik tok, he says, I'm about to give my shirt to Doja Cat because she's the iconic girl. And he pulls off his tank top and he gives it to her because she Had a compliment, complemented it. And it says hot boys kiss boys. Which, like, love the sentiment. And in the tick tock, like they exchange names, they hug. She says, nice to meet you. He says, I hope you have the best night. And he grabs her arms and like flings her around and hugs her really tight and gives her like a kiss on the cheek. And even in the moment, like, people were like, oh, see, Dosha is nice to her fans, but I'm like, this is still kind of weird to me.

B (98:24)

Oh, right away you thought that I did.

A (98:25)

Even though, like Doja hadn't even said anything I at the time, like, I saw around the time it came out and I was like, it's still a lot. Because he also asked like her real name. And just like the context, I think after especially hearing everything that Chapel Ron has talked about with like setting the boundaries and stuff, it kind of gave me that again where it's like the parasocial, like thinking celebrity is like your best friend. Even though you don't know them, they don't know you.

B (98:46)

Is it a famous tiktoker? Does he have a lot of followers?

A (98:48)

He's a pretty decent sized tiktoker. Yeah. Not like, you know, a huge influence or anything, but yeah, he has like a following for sure. Yeah. And. And also, like this was his own, like, shirt that he made. So it's obviously like a good promo for him to have, like give it a doja cat making a viral video.

B (99:05)

Out of it for it.

A (99:07)

Yeah. Like, I think she just complimented it. And again, for context, she asked.

C (99:10)

She asked him for a shirt. He said, I don't have any here. And then he offered to give her a shirt. The shirt. He makes this shirt. She likes his shirt. He's like, I'll get you some, but I don't have anything here.

B (99:22)

It's his merch.

C (99:23)

So I'm going to give you. Yeah, he makes those shirts. So I'm gonna give you my shirt right now off of my sweaty body.

B (99:28)

Okay. Which I mean, like, in theory is nice. People do do that to me. They. They want to give me everything. Crusty, dusty. They're like, here, have this. I'm like, I mean, you know, nice. It's a nice sentiment, I guess because you're like, I guess I've done that too. Someone gave me their labubu at Pride and I gave them my hat that I was wearing. I'm like, I don't know if that's like sanitary, but anyways, I get the sentiment. I get the sentiment. Okay. I thought, I thought, oh, she's just. My initial reaction was like, oh, she's. She. You know, because some people are like that. Some people are just like, wow, you know, excited to see, you know, So I thought, I thought she was just excited too. Maybe she knew him. I don't know.

A (99:59)

The. I think it looked kind of weird from the jump. And also like, no, hate to Pablo. Pablo. Yeah, because obviously I feel bad too because, like the. It's a weird thing where people like are very divided over it and then people are very hateful on both sides. So I'm not trying to like, contribute to that. But she, like the beginning of her video, like, her arms are crossed, so she does seem like a little like, uncomfy. She. Jess was like partying in a club. Like, she's obviously drunk. He also said that he was drinking too. So there's like that element as well.

B (100:28)

Like, you're not doing this. Like, you're like, oh, I'm so cold.

A (100:30)

I think, like, she's like put on the spot, like on a camera, on it for a tick tocker. She was just partying in a club. She's coming out. It's late at night in West Hollywood. She's a small girl. Like, obviously, you know, he. He does say, like, I'm gay. I would never want to make someone uncomfortable. But he is still a man. He's like bigger than her because she's so tiny.

C (100:47)

Also, it's not, it's not like. It's not because he's a man. It's like whether it was gay or straight, it's the way he was using his hands all over her body, like, because I watched the video and I was just like, his hands are constantly holding her. Yeah, she's constantly being held by him. So he holds her arms, talks to her, hugs her in, then she walks back. Then he holds, grabs her arms and jumping with her. He's never letting go of her arms. And then pulls her in again.

B (101:16)

No, for sure. I think 20, 25, like grabbing anyone is crazy.

C (101:20)

Like, because we've been to so many meets and greets.

B (101:22)

Yeah.

C (101:23)

I've never seen anyone. And if I did see, I would start like, I've never seen anyone.

B (101:26)

Like, yeah.

C (101:27)

Hold you. Bring you in and not let go.

B (101:30)

Someone did that with a microphone. It was it at the Greeks.

C (101:32)

Oh, yeah.

B (101:32)

It wasn't even that big a deal. But everyone gasped. I was like, oh. Which is like. I mean, yeah, I guess in hindsight, but yeah. No one's ever that is. That's different. Like, you said, you're drunk and you're out. I guess. I don't know. I'm not around drunk people like that. So I don't know. But either way, it's probably not cool to, like, someone said they didn't want to be touched. Oh, with a doja cat. Who said that?

A (101:49)

Yeah, so she. She tweeted on the 13th. So it was, like, over a week after she had thought about it. She tweeted, I threw that musty shirt away, by the way. And then she said, bottom line is, I'll smile at you, but it doesn't mean I f with you and don't touch me and manhandle me when you don't even effing know me if you know. You know, I honestly think I need to stand up for myself in the moment sometimes. And he didn't even know my effing name to be touching me and kissing me on my face. Like. Like, that is crazy. So, yeah, it was people. She ended up deleting the tweets because she did cause, like, a lot of controversy, and people were, like, giving her a lot of hate. A lot of people were calling her out because, like, she complimented how he smelled. Like, she said, oh, you smell good. So then to call his shirt musty, people call that out. And then saying that, like, she looked really. She didn't look uncomfortable in the video because there is a moment where she hugs him back and, like, she, like, lifts her leg up. So people, like, screenshot of that. It's like, oh, you looked comfortable here. But the trauma responses are real. Like, yeah, it's like, fight, flight, freeze, or fawn. And as I'm a fauna, for sure.

B (102:56)

Fauna is.

A (102:57)

Is when you become. When you appease. And people please to minimize conflict. And that is so me.

B (103:04)

Oh, for sure. I was saying yes to everyone and everything back in the day, whatever they wanted to do. I was like, well, yeah, whatever doesn't mean I'm not uncomfortable the most.

A (103:11)

Like. Like, the biggest example I have of this is I said the story before, but I. I got lost on a hike, and I finally exited after, like, hours. And it was so hot, and I was dehydrated, and I was finally, like, almost at my car, and then this man started, like, stalking me and then stopped me and said, like, hey, like, you want to suck my. And I. I. I literally f. I. I did not want to do that.

B (103:30)

You did it.

A (103:30)

No, I almost did. I almost. I was like. It was like, we can go up there. I was like, okay. And I just like, my mind just automatically said yes. And then I was walking. I was like, actually, no. Like, I really don't.

B (103:41)

Yeah.

A (103:41)

But I. I get to that. And that's obviously an extreme example. But I'm serious. Like, I am the same where like, I. People, please. So I get. I don't know. I. I understood, but I did it.

B (103:52)

Like, it's like, you don't want to sex with someone, but you feel bad and they're kind of pushing you and you're like, obviously, yes, that's like assault. But like, there are times where you're just like, I feel bad, I guess. I don't know. Like, I'm here. You're right. Like, I guess I should. Like, yes, extreme example, of course. But like, oh, there's so many times where I've been uncomfortable and you'll just see me look like, have a great old time. Yeah.

C (104:11)

And she's obviously still thinking about it a week later. Like, she's. It affected her a certain way.

B (104:16)

I'm surprised there was backlash on her because if she said she was uncomfortable.

C (104:20)

Like, the issue is that now after the fact, like, now it does come to numbers. You know, she's a much bigger, bigger presence online. He's much smaller. So her just stating how she felt seems like an attack on him. And people already think she hates her fans. So that. Yeah, everything that was said was like, you see, she hates her fans. She hates her fans. I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I'm. I'm on her side. And the unfortunate part is that both people are, let's say, to some degree, intoxicated. Out of a club.

B (104:50)

Yeah.

C (104:50)

Both of them are not at the. Their best, you know, judgment and behavior. Right. So she's not capable to like, stand for herself at that moment. He's not able to contain himself at that moment. And you get this explosive. Like, somebody around should have somewhat intervened. Somebody on her side should have been there. Somebody.

B (105:09)

I don't know, maybe they thought she was excited, you know, who knows?

C (105:11)

But no, nobody. Nobody. I would never let anyone manhandle you that way. Doesn't matter what the situation.

B (105:17)

Anyone like that around. Maybe no one else.

C (105:19)

You know what I mean? Like, so that's what I'm saying. So. Which is kind of odd for somebody at her.

B (105:23)

I actually never seen that. You're right. Like, I actually never seen people be like that. Like, pop up nugget not just on him. Hey, cuz, I. I guess I get it. But also it's like, yeah, I never seen.

A (105:34)

Yeah. Cuz he did post like a tik tok response after he said, I just want to clear this up because it hurts. I love her. I just think it's crazy cuz she's the one at the event that was being nice. She pointed out my shirt and said, I like that. And he said, now she's on Twitter saying she threw that musty shirt away, that I didn't know her name, that I manhandled her. I understand if I was being too nice or whatever, I will take full accountability. I'm gay. I would never want to make her feel uncomfortable. She's so iconic. I've only been saying the nicest things. And then he speculated that maybe she wanted publicity, which I'm like, I don't know about that.

B (106:07)

And oh, that's crazy.

A (106:09)

Yeah. Yes.

B (106:10)

Both can get lost. Right? Her telling a musty kind of loses me. And then him being like, she won. Publicity loses me.

A (106:15)

Yeah. Delivery on. I think Doja could have delivered her thing, but I get wanting to make a statement because like, maybe she saw it, it sat with her and then she's like, does wants to set the precedent, you know, for sure.

B (106:26)

Because maybe everyone's like, wow, she's so nice. Everyone will do it.

A (106:28)

I can do that. Yeah.

B (106:29)

Yeah. I think that might be it.

A (106:31)

Yeah. And then delivery again. Could have definitely been like, better for sure. And then. Yeah, on Pablo's partner, maybe I don't think she wants publicity. And then he went and made like a new shirt with a new tank top that said must sure on it. So he's making merch after this whole encounter. I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, I don't know.

B (106:53)

Well, gotta monetize it.

C (106:54)

I guess it shows you that he's not hurt from that and she is, you know what I mean? Like he's. She's not making merch of this.

A (107:01)

Yeah.

C (107:01)

You know what I mean? Like, it shows you the dynamic of like how they both see the situation. He sees it as an opportunity, she sees it as a moment that she.

B (107:08)

Was just got to. There's a YouTuber who's making merch about his cancer. I believe sometimes people just, you know.

C (107:14)

Well, maybe he needs to fundraise.

A (107:15)

I mean, that's his own thing though, right? Yeah.

C (107:18)

All I'm saying is like, you can.

B (107:19)

See how musty was his thing.

C (107:21)

Because also his statement was like, you know, she was being nice, I was just being nice. I'm like, no, there's a difference. Like you can be nice to somebody. Doesn't Mean, they want you all over them in their personal space.

B (107:32)

Well, he knows that now, right?

A (107:34)

Hopefully. I don't know. I think also even though he apologized.

B (107:38)

It said that sorry. Right.

A (107:39)

But it was one of those things where I was like, sorry for being too nice.

C (107:42)

Like I'm like, well that's not nice.

A (107:46)

Yeah. Like, you know, I apologize. I didn't. Cuz obviously his intentions were good. So it's like I obviously like I love doa. Like I apologize for crossing boundaries like and invading her personal space. Like I was doing too much. I feel like that could have been better versus like I was just being nice, you know, or I'm gay. Yeah. Also, gay men can. Can like feel almost too entitled to women's bodies and vice versa. Like you hear drag queens. Yeah. Like women come and grab me all the time.

B (108:10)

So women to gay men too.

A (108:11)

For sure. Yeah.

B (108:12)

So I definitely had the gay men like feeling tight like, like because they.

A (108:16)

Feel like, oh well, I'm not attracted to you sexually. So I can like, you know, touch your breasts or. You know what I mean?

B (108:21)

It's been both ways for sure. Yeah.

A (108:24)

I was done. Even like my photo with Gabby Windy. I have the hover hand because I'm very like, I never want to like.

B (108:29)

Did you have a hover hand?

A (108:30)

Oh, wow. Every time. I didn't even realize it until I'm like looking at the photo about the post. I'm like, I always have the hover hand. Same with like Brooke. When Brooke was here. Everyone's like Oscar's hand being like a mile away.

B (108:41)

But I'm like, that's nice though. I forget about that. I need to. Yeah.

C (108:44)

Also, touch is not always about sexual. It's not. It's about energy. Like there's people that. I don't want him to touch me. It's not even as it has nothing to do with anyone touching you. It's like because I don't exchange energies so quickly with people I don't know. You know, it's like there's something.

B (109:01)

He's not a hugger. He will not hug people.

C (109:04)

No. And they sometimes leave their perfume on me. That's horrible.

B (109:07)

Oh my God. He gets. Oh my. He'll be like.

C (109:09)

Which again, this is another thing. Like a person. Like, it's like I never enjoyed. Like I would never play basketball cuz people would get like sweaty, take their shirts off. Just the idea of like somebody sweater. You know what I mean? So here again, the guy. This is your worst shirt off.

A (109:25)

Talks.

C (109:26)

That's what I understand. Only in TED Talks.

B (109:28)

You were, you were all up on there.

C (109:32)

You're the only one. I would do that. But that's why I understand her side of it.

A (109:37)

Yeah.

C (109:37)

Cuz I'm like, it was, it was just a lot. It was too much personal space.

B (109:42)

I'm so torn cuz like I do get excited about people and Yeah, I would probably like jump on people too.

C (109:47)

Did you jump on Gerard? Like did you. No, that's what I'm saying. Like would you imagine grabbing him by his hands and pulling him into a hug?

B (109:54)

I probably would want to, but no. Yeah.

A (109:55)

Or even Jason Momoa. Did you like?

B (109:57)

Well that's. Oh my God. That's what I was thinking earlier is like I don't know if like he set the precedent, but his, his would go viral. His meet and greet photos of him like doing that.

A (110:06)

Usually those that people ask because even for like your mean grease, don't they come up and be like, oh, can we do this? So what I know from those like comic con photo ops is like usually you ask them, oh, can we do this? And they say like yes or no. And then yes.

B (110:18)

And I would and I did. I remember asking because I saw him do it with so many people and I was like so scared because the, the go to meet and greet because I, I do pay for mean greets. I did Donny Osmond, Britney Justin. And the go to is like you just kind of standard. Yeah, that's me too. And things. But there are people who like, can we do hearts? Can we do this? And then people ask me to do the Jason Momoa pose on them. So it's like, it's so interesting. But I had seen so many people do it with Jason, I don't think I would have been comfortable to ask him like, could you just put your arms around me? So I wonder who the first person is that like thought of that. But he was so down. I was also that person reminded me of the meet and greets. Sometimes people come with their boyfriends or their moms and you know, you do group photos and individual. But sometimes the moms or the boyfriends will be like, oh, I don't need an individual. Can she take it? I was like, yes. I used to do that. I used to buy six photo passes and so you know they're like 250 for like that. So I would spend like a thousand dollars and I would always be like, because you only get one pose, especially with someone like Jason Mo, you literally get like two seconds with them. I'm like, I actually Actually have six photo passes. Can I do different poses? He did. He did a different post each time. And he's like, okay, what's next? What's this? And then by the end of it, I was like, I kind of love it. So when people. People's parents would do that, like, I'm so sorry. I was like, no. Like, I'm like, I kind of love that because. And then my mom ended up giving me her photo pass, like the third or fourth time. So I like seven photo passes. And. And there are people who are so cool, like Jason Mo. You see all his meet and greets. I mean, he is like, just like, of course people are asking him. He's not just doing that.

A (111:36)

You know what I mean? People asking the. The event is like a photo meet and greet. You so the circumstances are also. Yeah, but you know what I think.

B (111:45)

About that sometimes it's like, what if someone. I guess people do call them out when they say, like, no, some people call them rude if they don't do, like certain poses with them. You know, who is it? I know it's kind of like triggering, but is Chris Brown, I think does, like, really sexual meet and greet ones. Have you seen his pictures? He, like, straddles them, really picks them up, and like, their legs are wrapped around them. I think it's $1,000 to meet Chris Brown Brown. And I think he does, like, that's his thing. He just does, like, really sexual poses with everybody.

A (112:11)

I guess if it's consensual, then I guess. I don't know.

B (112:16)

Yeah, I guess, right?

A (112:18)

Like, I know for. I don't know. I guess. Yeah, literally. I guess it's just if it's consensual.

B (112:23)

Yeah. Okay. Like, have you ever asked for a pose when you met someone?

A (112:28)

I don't think so. I think when I met Tyler Posey, the Teen Wolf, I was like, can we just. Just look like, Like, I don't know, like, I think I said, can we look dramatic? Like, because the Teen Wolf photos, they're all, like, serious, so.

B (112:39)

Oh, she kind of knew too ahead of time. Let's do this.

C (112:42)

Yeah, but, yeah, the Chris Brown photos are.

B (112:45)

Do you see it? Show, show them the Chris Brown ones. They're. They're wild.

C (112:48)

I mean, he's like, grabbing their butts. They're like sitting on him.

B (112:52)

I would be scared to do that because what if someone later on retracts that consent and be like, I didn't want that actually.

C (112:57)

But the photo is for. I mean, it's for them to have not for him. He doesn't.

B (113:00)

She doesn't care, I guess. But, you know, people can, like, change their minds, you know, Maybe after the Chris Brown stuff came out, maybe people are like, actually, I don't.

A (113:07)

Are they? I guess they're doing this after, though, so.

B (113:09)

Right.

A (113:09)

You already kind of know what you're getting. I guess.

B (113:11)

Okay, maybe a bad example, but I just. I always think of those. I was like, that's so wild. Dottie's another one who's really cool. I mean, I never do anything crazy, but I'm always like, can we do, like, a prom pose? And I don't know. I love doing poses with people. I think that's cool when people have poses.

A (113:24)

Yeah.

B (113:24)

I don't know if I've ever said no to a post. I guess someone want to do something crazy. But, yeah, this is a new one. Everyone does.

A (113:32)

Oh, the end. Yeah, the end. Fairy, I think is what it's called.

B (113:36)

And fairy.

A (113:36)

What is that for K Pop? It's like the little thing that you end on. I learned a lot from my time as a icon.

B (113:42)

As a what?

A (113:43)

I. I love that.

B (113:45)

Okay.

A (113:46)

Yeah.

B (113:46)

Everyone loves to do these little things. Sometimes I'm like, I don't know what that means, but okay.

A (113:50)

Cute. See, I think it's. Yeah, it's cutesy. It's like the little whenever. Like, when the K pop artist performs. Perform, and they end the performance, they end, like, on a little pose. So it's like, what they do. Yeah.

B (114:00)

I don't know if you can tell because my fingers are so chubby.

A (114:02)

I love when they do, like, press tour. Like when Barbie and other. I think Robert PATTINSON for, like, Mickey 17 went to, like, Korea and everyone, like, wants them to do the little, like, ending fairy. It's so cute. Okay.

B (114:12)

I love that.

A (114:12)

Yeah.

B (114:13)

It also looks like a little heart or something, too. I like it. Okay. Good to know. Everyone did those at my things. I was like, I love that so much. Never sorority stuff. Everyone's, like, wanting me to do a sorority. Weird things with, like, my hair, hands. I'm like, he said yes. I was like, I hope it's not, like, Illuminati or something that I'm channeling. It's always some weird something, but Greek.

A (114:30)

Letter thing or something. I don't. I don't know anything about sororities either, but I feel like I'm glad. Knowing Moses is on the same side as me makes me feel better because a lot of people were very much Team Pablo on his side. But it's also a Lot of people just don't like doa, you know, Cuz.

B (114:46)

I do see his side where in the video, like, again, my initial reaction was there was nothing wrong. She was excited to see him look like she was a fan, you know.

A (114:53)

Too, like, I think just me, contextually. I honestly shout out to Chapel because I feel like Chapel really was on the front lines of like, you know, the parasocial and like, setting the boundaries and stuff. And also too, that's what I was thinking about that I was like, everyone was really mad at Chapel when she set that boundary. So I'm like, even if Doja, I think, did say it, like in a nicer way, people would still be like, oh, she hates her fans. Because people were so mad at Chapel for just being like, you don't know me, you know, don't call me by my government name, you know, know, like, don't when I'm out of drag, don't.

B (115:21)

Oh, he did ask about her name too.

A (115:23)

I said, what's your real name? And so, yeah, a little invasive. Yeah, yeah. Just from like, what I've heard from Chapel, I think that is always like, in my mind, even V meeting Vanilla Mace, I was like, I'm not going to say her government name, you know.

B (115:35)

Or you don't think it's vanilla?

A (115:37)

I don't know. I'm not going to. I'm not going to go find it. You know what I mean?

B (115:39)

I thought that was like her name Vanilla Mace, whatever she chooses to go by.

C (115:44)

It's. First I saw Pablo's Tik Tok. So first I saw his side. So I was more prone to even be on his side. And then I went to look at what happened. But if you look at that video and just look at his hand, because, you know, when you see a video, it's like a magic trick where your eyes go. So when you see the video, your eyes go to him, to her smile, the shirt. But just look at his hands. Erase everything else from the. Just look at what he does with his hands all the time. I was like, ouch. Okay, now I get what she's feeling and why.

B (116:12)

Well, boundaries were set. Hopefully the Internet knows. I think, like I said, most people are not. I've met 3, 500 people this year and like, no one is like that.

A (116:20)

Yeah, I'm sure the alcohol probably had something to do with it too, you know, so that's why, like, yeah, I don't want. I feel like people just are getting too intense on both sides. Like, you know, I feel like on both Sides, things could have been handled a little, a little bit better, you know, to say the least.

B (116:35)

So some people are just very touchy feely too. Some people just love to do a little grabby grab. Who was. Oh, that's what it was a different story. It was the doja cat. But there was someone on an airplane recently who said they like tapped a flight attendant cuz she like skipped their row. And the flight attendant like was like, don't touch me. And then like half the people were on the side of the flight attendant being like, yeah, you shouldn't touch them. And the other half was like on her side because she's like, well, she kept walking past our aisle, not anything. And she was just like, excuse me. And then the flight attendant was just like, don't touch me.

A (117:02)

I'm very much a person that's like whatever they're comfortable with is like, you know, like I don't think I'm entitled to touch anyone that doesn't want to be touched, you know. So it's like whatever they are comfortable with and whatever boundaries they said, I feel like should just be respected no matter where you're working, you know. Yeah, same with like it doesn't matter if you're flight attendant, doesn't matter if you're a stripper, like if you don't want to be touched, if you don't consent to being touched in that specific moment, then that is like who I feel like people get a little bit too entitled to, you know, all because you're comfortable with something. Doesn't mean the other person is. So.

B (117:35)

That's true. I feel like again, it's like a 2025 thing where it's like, yeah, when I was like little people touched a lot, like they would touch people, like servers, that kind of stuff like that.

A (117:43)

But now it's cool. Yeah, but don't they have those little buttons in the airplanes for the flight attendants to pay?

C (117:49)

No, I mean in general, like, in general, the rules just don't touch like you, you're sitting. The person is like, where are you even? How do you choose where to touch? Are you going to poke their elbow? Their arm? It was the elbow, you know what I mean? Like where, like just don't. If you need to even think about where we're gonna do that.

B (118:04)

That is true.

C (118:05)

And if you're a flight attendant walk in and there's like 50 people. Imagine how everyone are like poking you.

A (118:09)

True.

B (118:09)

I do hate a poke.

C (118:10)

It just doesn't.

B (118:11)

I hate a poke. I think I'd Rather you grab me from behind than poke me. Because pokes are crazy. When people, like, run up from behind you and, like, go like this, this. I'm like, what the hell?

C (118:21)

Like, take a little piece of paper, wave. Do something. You know what I mean? Like, there's a million things a way to get. If that person is so busy they can't even see you. So definitely now, touching them is not going to help.

B (118:30)

This situation is crazy. That's. Yeah, that's actually so funny. Not funny, but like I said, in general, people don't. But a couple times it happens. You're just like, what the hell? It just catches you off guard. It's just like, you know, walking with, like, five other people and someone's just like, tapping you.

A (118:44)

Even on Facebook, remember on Facebook, people.

B (118:46)

Would post, oh, is that taken away now?

A (118:48)

I don't even know if that's a thing anymore. I don't really use Facebook like that.

B (118:52)

But Mark Zuckerberg, where's he at?

A (118:56)

Look in the mess. That's for sure.

B (118:58)

Oh, he doesn't look good anymore.

A (118:59)

He tries to look really cool now. I forgot he did someone's podcast where he tried to be. He tried to look, like, cool. It was almost like old guy trying to fit in with, like, Gen Z. He had, like, a chain and he had, like, a black T shirt and, like, he said jeans. He was giving kind of like hood beast vibes. I'm like, okay.

B (119:16)

Oh, no. Yikes. Okay. No one uses Facebook except for Moses. He loves Facebook. He told me he was famous on Facebook before.

C (119:25)

I mean, the. The. Even the sentence of he loves Facebook.

B (119:29)

You do love Facebook, babe. You love Facebook. When I met you 2007, you were like. You were all about posting your videos on Facebook. You were like, facebook's where it's at. You loved a Facebook where it was. Where it was like, imagine 2020, not 2007. You said Facebook.

C (119:44)

I know, I know, but I'm saying, like, Facebook. Like, the way I used Facebook was when Facebook was something like actual social media platform. There was no Tick Tock Instagram. You don't have photos.

B (119:55)

No, my mom does.

C (119:57)

Exactly.

B (119:58)

That makes sense.

C (119:58)

That's when everyone left Facebook.

B (120:00)

It's not even, like, connected to her Instagram. She just, like, posted a whole separate thing on Facebook. I went to her page. I'm like, she was like, really different things. I think she has, like, friends from, like, high school or something she posts for. Because I was like, this is a very different audience. Audience. Yeah. She's not posting my poshmark over there, she's posting, like. She'll be, like, on stage with me, but she won't post it on Instagram, but she'll post it on Facebook. I'm like, who are you posting?

A (120:19)

So funny.

B (120:19)

I don't know who, but she does love a Facebook. It's for the moms, I guess. All right, Mark Zuckerberg, you win, because you still have the moms on your side. But, yeah, I'm not a Facebook person. Not my thing. All I did is change my status to married on there. I was so excited because I was single for so long. I was so excited to put, like, married.

A (120:37)

I wonder what mine. I don't know if I ever changed mine on there.

B (120:39)

Did you never change your status because the other person has to accept it, too. You can't just, like, change your status to. Somebody would have be accepting.

A (120:45)

Yeah. To. To make it, like, link to someone else.

B (120:49)

Right.

A (120:50)

Like engaged to or married to.

B (120:51)

Yeah, I guess, but married. But if you put to someone. Yeah, that was the whole conspiracy.

C (120:55)

I think it's all because of Gabbie Hannah.

B (120:56)

I was about to say that that was the conspiracy with. That is because she put, like, in her. In a relationship with Bo Burnham, but it was like, a fake Bo Burnham page or something.

A (121:03)

Oh, I forgot about this.

B (121:05)

But I don't know what her explaining was. Was she catfished or was she, like. She kind of knew or was her. Her page.

A (121:11)

I don't remember.

B (121:14)

Hot Topics.

C (121:15)

I think she claimed it was all kind of a joke on her side because she probably made that account too.

B (121:21)

She was like that person that makes up the multiple profiles to make the catfish look real. Yeah, I think she photoshopped pictures of her. I mean, again, I'm not knocking it. I probably would have done that. Probably did.

C (121:32)

It's kind of a fake it till you make it kind of.

A (121:34)

I mean, you didn't marry a cardboard cutout, so I don't know.

B (121:36)

Right. But at least it was a cardboard cutout. It wasn't like, this is Brad Pitt or Keanu. I guess I had Keanu Reeves, too. That's so funny. I mean. Yeah, to me, a whole profile. Someone else is kind of wild.

C (121:48)

But I just saw a clip of her being interviewed, talking about people criticizing her recently. I just don't know if it's new or old. She's like, in a university.

B (121:59)

Oh, probably old.

C (122:00)

I mean, you think it's old?

B (122:01)

I mean, I don't know.

A (122:03)

They do always get us with the old.

B (122:06)

I know. You got to check those dates.

A (122:09)

Yeah. I don't see anything. I mean, maybe, though she does randomly make a appearance at.

B (122:15)

Yeah. Just random things. Yeah. I haven't seen her in a while, but Internet staple. Honestly there. She had some good moments in Internet history. All of them. No Justin Bieber.

A (122:30)

Oh, okay.

C (122:31)

I don't have time for both.

A (122:33)

Yeah, okay. Do both. Okay.

B (122:34)

Okay. I don't know if I'm.

A (122:36)

Take it away.

B (122:37)

I was like, not Justin Bieber. This is my. I was going to transition at the beginning for Father's Day to. I had another Father's Day hot Topic. And now it drives me nuts that, like, something else was on Father's Day and it had to do with a father. And now I can't think of what that was. But that's okay. The Justin Bieber. We were. This was Moses Hot topic actually this morning too. Moses. Like, did you see Justin Bieber's story? I was like, no. I did see it, though, because I.

C (122:57)

Was thinking in my mind, you should probably. Probably stop messaging him.

B (123:00)

Why? I feel like now more than ever is when you message.

C (123:02)

Now that I see his character, I'm.

B (123:04)

Like, baby, it's a cry for help.

C (123:06)

But he skips saying he makes stories after stories of like, guys don't.

B (123:11)

That's what.

C (123:11)

Try it on.

B (123:12)

That's what a lot of people say before it's too late. Like, a lot of people will say that too. Be like, I'm fine. Everyone needs to stop worrying about me. But it's like, no.

C (123:18)

He said, I know I'm broken. I know I have anger issues. I'm trying. I can't make. I can't make it work. I can fix this Justin Bieber.

B (123:26)

I guess it's a thing. I don't know. Maybe you help me fill in the lore. I can. I can try and set this up, but I. I don't know the full lore behind it. First thing I see is he posted baby the baby picture. Like, just have a look at the baby's hand or something. Or the back of its head. And then he had the middle finger. His captions are always the middle finger, which is wild. But then I saw the Haley Bieber Father Day. Father's Day sucks. So then I had to go to X to see that. It was like a reference to him saying, mother's Day sucks. Right. So I guess there's like a play there. I thought, well, okay. The first thing I saw this weekend was the Nobu. Him at Nobu Malibu at the beach, being like, hey, guys, leave me alone. And he seemed fine in that one. He seemed Fine. His stories though, last night his eyes were a little bit. I just feel like when someone's calling out for help, I feel like you shouldn't stop. Even though he's asking people to stop, I feel like you shouldn't stop asking if he needs help because someone, somewhere.

C (124:19)

Family, friends, he does say he has friends, he has close friends.

B (124:23)

But sometimes. Okay, when I crashed out on the Internet in 2019, like spiral, like I was spiraling, right? And people are like calling wellness checks on me and stuff. I think then there's a, there is a point where you're like, I need to get off the Internet, I need to help myself. So I think it's like, you know, it's a cry, It's a cry, right? It's like you're, you keep posting this stuff, you're posting the middle finger, you're posting all stuff like that. Feel like it's a right.

C (124:44)

And he says he has a lot of trauma and pain that he's dealing with. The problem is, can you imagine when you're that famous, you're surrounded by yes men. Even his wife is a former fan. Like, you know, he's surrounded by people that will do what he wants on his terms. And even the messages with somebody calling him out for lashing out and he's like, bye, you're blocked. Like I'm not going to take.

B (125:07)

Who was that? Who was that? I didn't get that.

C (125:08)

I don't think he, I don't think he should with names. But all I'm saying is like, I don't think the problem is with famous people like that is that they don't have anyone around them that can do that. And if somebody tries, they're out of that circle cuz they're just too famous and usually wealthy. I don't know how wealthy he is to be told what to do or receive any help.

B (125:34)

I don't know, I thought, I feel just sad and I feel like people are, I feel like people are genuinely concerned about him and not just like mocking him, you know what I mean? I feel like people are genuinely concerned because he has so many fans and I feel like that's why like no one says anything. I don't know, I just think it's him posting so much. That's always like a sign of like spiraling a little bit. Especially all the middle finger emojis. He posted his story to his feed today, so he really wants people to know his sentiment of like, hey guys, guys, stop talking to me. I'll keep sending him dms, honestly, I feel like you never know. You never know what can help somebody, you know, I would love to help him because honestly, been there. I spiraled out. I mean not been all. Everywhere he's been. I mean that's crazy. But just everything. I mean, not to say he's had trauma, I don't want to like traumatize him, but like, you know, even like all the Diddy stuff still happening, I'm like, damn. Like that's crazy. You don't. Not to change the subject but, but like be. Justin Bieber was also close with him. And again, not to say, I don't know, maybe he wasn't traumatized by him or anything, but it probably is just a lot anyways to see someone you were like friends with as a kid go through. I don't know, it's probably a lot of through.

C (126:40)

Been through a lot. I mean, because he was a kid thrown into Hollywood, music world and all that with no parental supervision. So that's kind of the worst case scenario for a child.

B (126:52)

I thought he was mom. I thought it was mom was there.

C (126:54)

She literally gave him away to Dee, Usher, whatever. You know, for the more I think.

B (126:59)

About child star, the more I'm like, maybe not. Cuz, you know, I know I would love Malibu's a little star, but I'm like, I don't know, maybe wait till she's like 18. I kind of feel like all these child stars, even Jojo who is very like well equipped and you know, kind of crushing it. I still feel like maybe something somewhere when you're so little, just working with adults all the time, don't know if it's a good thing.

C (127:18)

Yeah, it's all about the causal intention. Like is the parent doing it because the parents wanted to be famous and they couldn't and now they're using the child to facilitate their own dreams and wishes. Or you know, if a child really wants to do something and you're there to support them and help them and protect them, it's fine, the child can pursue their dreams.

B (127:39)

But then you even hear, but then.

C (127:40)

It'S a question, is it the child's dream or the parent's dream?

B (127:43)

But even so, you even hear about people that are like really well like transitioned out. Like Kiki Palmer transitioned out. Well from like a child started where she's at now, she's like really like stable and stuff like that. But then you hear those stories of her having me like 17, having to kiss like a 27 year old. You know what I mean? Like I just. I don't know.

C (127:59)

That's where the protection comes in. That's where you say, no, you're not doing that or.

B (128:03)

Yeah, that's true. I guess nowadays it's different. But Justin's sad. It's. Yeah.

C (128:12)

But he has a wife, he has family as friends. There's people around. I'm sure they're doing the best they can. But there's a limit to how much you can help a person.

B (128:20)

Yeah.

C (128:21)

That doesn't want help or, or doesn't want help. They want it on their terms, you know, and that doesn't work because your terms obviously don't work.

B (128:29)

Like whatever you're doing trigger people more like. I feel like Aaron Carter got a lot of backlash when he would go live and his lives and people were like worried about him and then kind of maybe doesn't help the situation. I don't know.

A (128:43)

Yeah, it is. You just can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped or like know that they need help. But it's sad because he's like admits that he is someone who is traumatized and has a lot of stuff and like is struggling himself. Like he writes down his stories, but it's not like it's like, what can anyone do? It's tough.

B (129:04)

The Haley Bieber thing you think was just a comment by. His comment. You think she was. Wasn't like signaling anything. No, because they go back and forth a lot. I'm like, it kind of just fuels. Fuels fans the flames. I don't know. What's it mean when you do more flames fan?

A (129:17)

You fan the flame.

B (129:19)

That's what I'm saying. I feel like it fans the flames more to like chirp in with it.

A (129:24)

Yeah. I would imagine it was probably one of those things where she thought she was being cutesy.

B (129:30)

Not the time.

A (129:31)

Yeah.

B (129:32)

Then the other stories start coming. You're just like, oh, actually.

A (129:34)

Yeah. Because she's always been very like anytime the rumors have come out that they're having issues, she was very vocal about like squashing it. So I feel like she thought she was because she's kind of in this era right now where she's like being in on the joke like with the vogue when she pulls out, you know, the, the love spell that she used on Justin that a witch gave her to make him fall in love with her.

B (129:54)

I see she's making a lot of.

A (129:55)

Like self referential jokes about the Internet thinking she's a stalker and stuff right now. So she's kind of in her, her jokester era, which doesn't align well with.

B (130:04)

Justin Bieber's cry for help era. You know what I mean? You're kind of like, damn, are we okay over there? I wonder. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. Probably not the time to make that joke.

A (130:16)

Yeah.

B (130:17)

Maybe she didn't know he was gonna tea. Yeah, she probably didn't know cuz his Instagram feed is. Is wild right now. It's just socks and hands and text messages. Yeah, I love Justin Bieber. I really did pick the wrong time to become a believer though.

A (130:31)

Or maybe the right time.

B (130:32)

That's what I'm saying. That's why I don't keep DMing him. I loved it. All times that you rain on my parade, you're getting closer.

A (130:41)

And he has been working on music. Like he was in Iceland or something working on music a couple weeks ago. So I don't know.

B (130:48)

I would gag. I would gag for new music. Okay. I hope he just stays creative. I hope he stays focused. Yeah.

A (130:57)

And paparazzi leave him alone. I think I'm that part. Yeah.

B (131:00)

Who was. Oh, he was at the. Maybe it's old. I have to look at these clips. He's at the Montage, I think too. And the paparazzi were trying to get him. He's like, what are you guys doing here? Like, I just see him at the Montage all the time. He's getting my hair done at the. The salon. I can pay. No, that's not his name. Who did I get my hair done by? I can't remember.

A (131:16)

Don't he used to live there? Or was that you that lived there? I think it was him.

B (131:19)

He lived there and I see him all the time. So I saw another. I don't know if he still lives there, but I saw another one interview like a paparazzi out there. And I was like, oh, God, he just looks. Even at the Noble. He's like, just like, leave me alone. And they just don't. They're like, we're on the sidewalk. He's like, I don't care. He's like, I am a dad. I'm a husband. Like, I feel sad for him.

A (131:35)

Me too.

B (131:36)

Being stalked by. Why people are scary.

A (131:38)

And even though it is becoming a meme too, like, what's not clocking for you? I'm standing on business. Like he is. He's using the wrong terminology.

B (131:46)

I love that.

A (131:47)

I think he meant clicking.

B (131:49)

What did he say?

A (131:50)

He's like, it's. No, it's not clocking for you. It's not clocking for you. That I'm standing on business, and that's becoming a meme. But, like, I don't even know if we should be using that, you guys. I feel. I feel bad.

B (131:58)

Yeah, maybe.

A (131:59)

I think he's just not. Yeah, I love it.

B (132:01)

It's not clocking for you. I like it. Honestly. I use words wrong all the time because these words are hard. Just period. They're hard. And he's Canadian, so give him a break, y' all. You know, maybe that's what they say up in Canada.

A (132:16)

Maybe.

B (132:17)

Damn. I. I love Justin Bieber. I'll keep messaging you. Hope you're okay. Reach out. Honestly, been there, been there.

A (132:26)

Yeah.

B (132:29)

I'm down. I'd help off camera, too. Don't need a. Who was it? Like, Dr. Phil would always sit down with people and you're like. But they really help them, or you.

A (132:36)

Just kind of, like, using it for.

B (132:38)

Yeah. Like, I don't know if they keep in touch. Yeah, I'd keep in touch. I'm not a doctor, though, so maybe not the one to reach out to, but I do know good ones. Well, as you were saying, end of the Internet era.

A (132:53)

End of an Internet era. End of canceled, which we.

B (132:56)

We talked about briefly, was on Patreon.

A (132:58)

Patreon. Yeah, because it was. We talked on Patreon about Tana on Impulsive, which, again, I. I hadn't seen the clips when you brought it up on there, and then I saw the clips, and literally, it's like, I love the dichotomy of Mike being there. Me and Logan, like, this is how it works. Like, you and Brooke need to be doing this. Like, we have each other's best interests at heart. Like, we are together. You have to have a partnership in business. And Logan's sitting there disassociating while this man is, like, boasting about how strong their bond is. And Logan is like, cl. He. For Logan Paul. Like, what?

B (133:33)

Logan Paul's in a different conversation entirely.

A (133:35)

By the end, thinking. I'm like, also, we.

B (133:38)

As we established there, too. I don't know. And I do love Mike. Okay. I do like him. I don't know if that's quite, like, a partnership and they have each other. I think it's more of him, like, being a little, like. I don't mean this derogatory, but, like, a little, like, lap dog following him around, you know? He's like, if you're in Puerto Rico, I'm flying to Puerto Rico. If you're there, I'm. So that's really just dropping your whole life to Just chase Logan around, which is like, totally fine if you're making that bag. Like, you should do that for sure. But I think they were missing the point of what was happening with Brooke and Tana having their own lives and trying to, you know, live their lives. And that was. The whole point is Brooke. I think, you know, they can't adjust to each other's schedule. Tana has her own thing, and Brooke wants to live her own thing. So it's not like she can just, you know, be at the. At the whim. Mike misses the point very much with females on impression. Impulsive. I remember I told him I was 51. 50. Non. Impulsive. And he. He said, so when you were 51 or 50? Like, he thought I was. I see that clip a lot. I was like, what does he think I'm that old?

A (134:34)

Like, 20 years.

C (134:36)

Can you make up how old you were?

B (134:38)

I'm like, 31. It's like, damn. He's like, you said when you were 51 or 50. I see that clip now. I was out of it on impulses. I don't remember. But I remember seeing that clip now. And I was like, oh, my God. So I don't think he. Because he loves to come across as, like, he's just tuned into everyone, which he is sometimes really tuned in. And I do like him, but sometimes it's in the market, which was happening with Tana. She was, like, explaining it to him too. And he still wasn't, like, clocking in.

C (135:04)

Because I think once he has a certain speech and idea that he wants to bring forward.

B (135:08)

Yeah.

C (135:08)

He just pushes that. I think Logan is kind of more in the know because he probably him and Tenet talk, but Mike doesn't. He's not in the know, so he doesn't understand at all where she's coming from. He just thinks, like, let you remember when I told you, like, when I used to, like, if there was a problem, I used to just try to solve the problem. I'm like, no, Mike, just listen. She's not needing advice for you.

B (135:28)

This is.

C (135:29)

She has a whole career. She knows what she's doing. She knows she's going.

B (135:31)

It's kind of a man thing to do, but.

C (135:33)

And Mike is the most like, like me. Mainsplain.

B (135:36)

Yeah. Yeah.

C (135:37)

Yourself to you.

B (135:38)

Mm. It was very awkward. It was very weird. I. Yeah. The Mike Logan thing. But I think it's really just because Mike takes over and Logan has nothing to add. So he's just like.

C (135:47)

That's why it was funny to watch ten and Logan. Because they were in the same headspace.

B (135:52)

I think Logan was in a different.

C (135:54)

Right. But Tana was. She was just kind of waiting it out, you know, and given her. Okay, can we wait for this segment to be over?

B (136:02)

Yeah.

A (136:04)

I don't know if. What's it called? Impulse. I don't know if impulsive is the place to be. I.

B (136:10)

No, it's gone downhill once they got rid of that set.

A (136:15)

Tana, sister, I don't know if that's. Yeah, I know that's your friend. You're loyal, but damn. I think we got to just. We got to move on, you know?

B (136:21)

But she is. Yeah. Friends with Logan and Jake. It's very bizarre to me. I don't understand it. But I, you know, you know, work. Work.

A (136:29)

Honestly.

B (136:29)

Yes. Going on impulsive is crazy. I also, I feel like. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Because they do pre film episodes, so I just wonder if the episode was meant to go up that quick or they put it up quickly. Because that clip we talking about on Patreon was kind of like her confirming the end of cancel.

A (136:42)

It was a soft launch of the cancellation of cancels. Cancellation.

B (136:45)

Cancellation. I know. Saying that, like, canceled has been canceled. And yeah, they're. Yeah, they are in the tiktoks going over time because people now love to speculate. Oh, they hate each other. They're this. But I see both of them in the comments. Like, no, no, it's not like that. Because people were comparing it to. Which I think is not a fair comparison. And also, I don't know the history of it, but the caller. Daddy, you know where it's like, things.

A (137:04)

Yeah. To me, because with Call Her Daddy, wasn't it, like, it was more of a business thing? Like, it was business oriented. Where I feel like with Brook and Tana, it's more of like a personal, like, burnout. Yes. Both ends, burnout. They're in different. Like, they are just, like, in very different phases of their life from when they started.

B (137:23)

Like, which is what Tina kept saying to Mike. And he was, like, not hearing it because he's like, we'll just pivot. And she's okay, but, like, you're not getting. I don't want to do the Once a week. Like, she kept saying, like, we can't get together once a week because I'm in Maui, she's here. Like, he was just, like, not getting it.

C (137:36)

Like, I'm pivoting to Hawaii.

B (137:39)

It's like, what? So she was. She's pretty clear, I feel, about what was happening. And he just, like, wasn't getting it.

A (137:46)

Yeah. And makes sense to me. I feel like everyone, for the most part, kind of needs, knew it was going to be coming to an end soon. Because they just. You can tell the way that they talk about things too. Like, they just are way more, like, reserved. But even.

B (138:02)

Yeah.

A (138:02)

The irony is even when they're reserved, they're still starting feuds accidentally, like Paige with, like, Leah from Love island, you know, because they've been trying to be in, like, the more neutral, canceled era. But yeah, even when they're neutral, there's. They still ruffle feathers.

B (138:19)

Yeah. And sometimes you can't escape it because it is kind of like you said, like, people, like, the mindset of how people see you, like, no matter what you say will be seen as, like, a hot take or controversial or they'll see stuff that's not there. Or maybe it is there, I don't know. Because people swore up and down. Oh, they hate each other. And I was like. I watched the clip and I was like, they both seem to be, like, fine ending it.

A (138:40)

Yeah. I feel like I don't. I didn't get the each other vibe, but I. To me, it was a vibe of like, you know, they kind of have, like, co worker vibes almost. You know what I mean? Like, they're. I feel like the vibe with them is. Is like, just different because they've grown, like, separately, if that makes. They kind of just have grown apart as they figured out their own lives. And what they want to do separately.

B (139:00)

Was the brand besties. I never under. I didn't think that they ever were like.

A (139:03)

I don't know if they were ever, like, besties like that, but they're. I feel like their rapport was very different when they were both, like, single and partying and stuff. Like, I feel like the rapport was just different. It was more just like they were almost like more like sorority sister or something. You know what I mean? Where it's like, like they were doing stuff and they did some stuff together, but they also were living their separate lives. But it had, like, a crossover. But as they, like, settled down and they want to be less of the, like, out there causing ruckus, you know?

B (139:32)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (139:33)

The vibe definitely changes. So.

B (139:35)

Yeah, I get that.

A (139:36)

Yeah. It's just so funny though, when we said. We talked about on Patreon, like, all the girls want to be tapping out of gossip. It's like, gossip is not for me. I don't want to be gossiping. I'm too Old for gossip. I. And I'm like, well, I'm just getting.

B (139:47)

Older and I want to be more gossipy because I get. I. Well, I was in that air too, of no gossip. And I do. There is like a piece about it. There is. But can I tell you what? When I was in my no gossip era. What was that? 2022, 2023. I never had more hate videos made about me. So I get what they're saying. The drama channels would come out so hard of me doing literally nothing.

A (140:08)

I was like dating with tomatoes.

B (140:10)

Yes, yes, yes. That, that. That's the best example because I truly was in my meditation. Yes. And people being so nasty, throwing tomatoes. I'm bothering no one. And everyone's talking about me. Everyone's doing this. And I was just like, what the hell? So there is something to be said. Yeah. About that no Peace era. They really just try to destroy you. Anyone can. So sometimes you just have to say, step back completely and be like, this is not it. But the end of the day gossip is what I do.

A (140:42)

And some people just aren't built for it. You know what I mean?

B (140:44)

Yeah, it's hard.

A (140:45)

It is hard. It is hard. It is. I. It is hard because, like, when you have an opinion, inevitably people are going to have opinions about your opinion. And sometimes you're not in the headspace to have opinions about your opinions. But whenever I'm not in that headspace.

B (140:59)

You don't give an opinion.

A (141:00)

I log out. I mean, I just don't look anymore. You know what I mean? Like sometimes, like last week, I was very sensitive and I'm like, you know what mean? I. I just need to not see what anyone says about me. And then I'll never know. And then I'll be at peace.

B (141:09)

Yeah.

A (141:09)

So it's like I. Sometimes I know that I just can't read comments or anything. And sometimes I'm like, you know what? I am in a space, mentally, emotionally, where I can, like, read other people's opinions and, like, learn. But sometimes I'm not, you know, I.

B (141:22)

Can never read people's opinions. Moses will tell me. And then I'm like, okay. Like the Green Day incident. I was like, let me address it. Otherwise I would never know, honestly. But it's good. He tells me the stuff that I need to know. People are upset. The stay at home mom thing. Okay, I get it.

A (141:38)

Oh, my God.

B (141:39)

So, hi. Well, you know, Moses is my monitor, which does help tremendously.

A (141:43)

Moderators go along. Like Pokimane hiring monitor moderators for her.

B (141:47)

He's my IRL moderator. He's just like, I never have to see anything. Like, he'll just tell me. Because you'll see. He'll look on Reddit sometimes he'll tell me, oh, this is happening. And I'll have like, no idea almighty. I'm like, okay. And it's like, thank God for Reddit. I think I met a moderator on Red. I don't know if I even told you that. I think I met one of our moderators. Irl love. Yeah. She's like, I'm one of your moderators. I'm like, girl, I don't know what that means, but thank you.

A (142:07)

Yeah.

B (142:08)

I was like, thank you for being there. Yeah. It's hard. Yeah. Because they have been, in my opinion this past year, like, very non. They don't talk about influencers the way they used to. You know what I mean? So I don't know.

A (142:20)

Yeah, I don't know.

B (142:22)

I guess they're their own. They're their own hot topics. They're their own controversy, like you said.

A (142:28)

Yeah. And also, like, I feel like it almost does go back to gesture privilege a little bit. I think when you present yourself as very unserious. Like, we're just, you know, we're the outsiders for the outcast, so.

B (142:41)

Yes. Yeah.

A (142:42)

You know, I feel like we can say stuff and it's like, perceived more cutesy because we don't really take ourselves that seriously. We're not like at the Gladiator 2 premiere, you know what I mean?

B (142:51)

Oh, it goes back to what we're talking about earlier. We're not like the cute girl syndrome, you know what I mean? We're not these like hot tiny girls.

A (142:56)

On the red carpets. We're not the threat to anybody, you.

B (143:00)

Know, that's why, that's why I said, I think being older and fatter, I think people are just like, that's cute. You know what I mean? Who is the big one in Star Wars? Who's that big, big one?

A (143:11)

Jabba the Hot.

B (143:12)

Yeah. Like, people just love him do that. Yeah, right. I always see people do this, the Leia and the jab, and people just love him. Cuz, like he's not doing anything to anyone. You know what I mean? Like, that's how I feel sitting here. I've been giving a lot of Jabba the Hut. It's not a weight joke. It's honestly just me feeling like Jabba the Hut recently. It's, you know, a state of mind, really. But yeah, I think that's it. I know I can Never be an influencer. But yeah, I don't have an influencer.

A (143:40)

Wait, I'm influen.

B (143:41)

That's why we saw. We said there was no influencers year. But it's like, okay, I'll probably go in next season. So they should put other influencers with me. You know what I mean? We should have Tana. We should have like Shane. You know, there should be other like.

A (143:53)

A built in alliance.

B (143:54)

No, why do you crossing by yourself like Alex Earl? Like we're influencing the world. Tana, she has like a lip line coming out. You know what I mean? Like we have like, you know what I mean? Like I'm not influencing people.

C (144:07)

It seems. Because you're bigger than being an influencer or.

A (144:11)

What you're.

C (144:12)

You're more of a celebrity than.

B (144:14)

Wow, Moses coming in with the hype. Always. Thank you. Okay. I love that.

C (144:18)

But think about it. If you're all the things you're doing around. You just came back from tour. Broadway, tv.

B (144:24)

A lot of influencers are touring these days.

C (144:27)

Nobody like people knowing you. Because I notice influencers are more niche, like influencer in makeup. I might never hear about them.

B (144:34)

Oh, look at Michaela's an influencer.

C (144:36)

Yeah. Like so influencers are more contained and you get us to be a celebrity. When you walk the street and everyone knows you.

B (144:44)

Wow, I'm a celebrity. I was wondering where you were going with that. I was like, what does that mean? Like, okay, got it. What do you consider yourself?

A (144:51)

Me?

B (144:52)

Yeah.

A (144:52)

Silly guy.

B (144:53)

Love that. That's your. That's your trainer caption. Just silly guy. Because you're kind of like, I wouldn't consider you influencer. You do have a brand deal. Did you post that?

A (145:01)

You did one today? Oh, yeah. Today. They wanted it to go up on a just Trish day. I'm like, work. Yeah.

B (145:06)

But today or tomorrow?

A (145:07)

Today or tomorrow. When it posts for us today for people.

B (145:11)

I've never had anyone say that on a Just for Shay. On a podcast. That's so funny.

A (145:14)

They want the synergy. I'm like, work. Okay, great.

B (145:17)

Love it. That's what I'm saying. I wouldn't consider you, but you are like, I guess, personality.

A (145:21)

Oh yeah. I could be a personality. Yeah. I have a personality. Yeah. I'll take that.

B (145:27)

It's crazy.

A (145:29)

It's like. Yeah, that's why I do get why it's tiring. Same with like when Tara Yummy was on her podcast, she's like, I just don't want to be talking, talking about select things anymore, you know? And I Get it. You kind of just want to be. Do your things on your own terms, not have opinions. And there is a piece that comes with that, but I just don't think it's ever a option or path for us.

B (145:48)

Yeah. I think inherently we're, like, good at gossiping because it's like, even if we.

A (145:52)

Weren'T in the mix, we'd still be on our own.

B (145:55)

I was very much, like, even in my PC era, like, I really was trying to look at things, but, man, like, that modern warrior. I know you weren't involved in that TikTok drama, but when that was happening, I was so. The Johnny Depp stuff, I was, like, glued to my phone for it, you know? Know I'm very into the journalism.

A (146:08)

Yeah.

B (146:09)

Oh, yeah. You're a journalist is really what you are.

A (146:11)

Loosely. Yeah.

B (146:11)

Yeah. You have a degree.

A (146:12)

I love being in the mix. Like, it's the people doing hard, hard news and then me. What's it like Pedro Pascal being a daddy? You know what I mean? It's like the two kinds of journalism.

B (146:20)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get that. Well, they also been doing it for four years, which is a long time to do a podcast. That's a long time to be.

A (146:28)

You're right. That is. I forgot about how long it was, especially in there.

B (146:31)

Years. What? Tana's 26, Brooks, like 28. So, like, they did start in their early 20s, especially Tanner's 22 when she started, so.

A (146:39)

And then Brooke had. Was. Hadn't been in LA very long. Right, Right. Yeah. So.

B (146:45)

And how it started change. Like, you think about the Mindy situation, like, how I forgot about that. They were like, I will never not. I mean, I love. You know, they're both wonderful, but it's like, I will never understand that. How, like, that whole thing happened and they're like, let's do a podcast together. Like, that's so wild to me.

A (147:00)

I know.

B (147:00)

So it already starts out with them. That. I don't know. I just also, when you work together a lot. Oh, you're on tour a lot. Like, you're traveling together. Like, I mean, you just get. I would get sick of people. I get sick of people all the time. Like, it is crazy to me when I, like, don't get sick like Moses. I'm, like, shocked. I'm not sick of him. I always found that too. Huh. I'm always just like, I don't know why you don't bother me, but most people do. It's called Love a. I guess so. I guess that's True. Well, everyone else bothers me. There's people I love that bother me. There's people in my life that I love that bother me, you know?

C (147:29)

But real love, like, real love, you don't feel irritated or you don't judge the person really.

A (147:35)

I don't know.

B (147:36)

I feel like I really do love. I do love some people in my life that I can't see for very long. You know, it's like a day is good. You know what I mean? Being together like a weekend with someone or something. It seems crazy. I don't know.

A (147:47)

No, I feel you on that for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And it is just so crazy. I was thinking about like when they announced like the. That canceled was coming to an end also wild way to do, like the fact that they did it in the title and then it wasn't clickbait. I was like, work. Okay. Honesty.

B (148:06)

Yeah. She said it was between that or the. Catherine McBroom could have been in the title, but she went with the Canceled is over, which.

A (148:11)

Yeah, I feel like that's probably. I feel like that's. Yeah, that was a better title.

B (148:16)

Oh, for sure.

A (148:17)

But they had the way that they announced it and stuff too. I don't know, I was just thinking about like a year ago was like the Clinton Kane. Like who the f. Did I. Oh, that's last year, right? Yeah, it was just last year.

B (148:29)

You know what's interesting too is the preparation for the ending of Cancel Canceled because it's also like they said it's going through like October or something, like through the fall.

A (148:36)

I love that they. Yeah. Announcing it in the middle of summer. Releasing merch. The podcast is over, but we have a new merchant tour in Australia.

B (148:45)

Yeah, right. That's so interesting. Like I could see giving a couple. Couple days. I think Laura DIY has just ended and they gave like a two episode notification, like their second to last episode, which I was like, why are you canceling your episode? Why are you canceling your podcast? It's just her and her husband like in their house. I was like, couldn't be easier. I don't know. I guess in general, I guess that's the consensus. Most people are like, is like podcasting seems easy to people. It's like once a week and it is. I think. But I guess. Guess people just. I think also too, when you have two, it is hard to get the two people on a schedule. Me and Tiana, like I said, not Loveline is going on a two week break because we just couldn't get it together. We Were just like. We try to film. We were. We filmed about six episodes in one day, and we were doing those back to back. But still, it's even hard to keep up because she's busy and.

A (149:30)

Yeah.

B (149:30)

And busy. So I think having two people, it's just like, really hard.

A (149:32)

Two people, different schedules.

B (149:34)

Yeah.

A (149:34)

Different phases of life.

B (149:36)

Yes.

A (149:37)

Yeah. It definitely gets into, like, stars, too. Like, they both are.

B (149:41)

Yeah.

A (149:42)

In, like, influencers. So it has. It has a whole different dynamic, too.

B (149:49)

Yeah.

A (149:49)

You know, doing like, Mike. He's the side. I'm the side guy. Mike is a side guy. It's easier for us. You know, we're just.

B (149:55)

Would agree with you on that.

A (149:55)

He wouldn't.

B (149:56)

He said partners.

A (149:57)

He partner.

B (149:58)

You are a partner. Yeah.

A (149:59)

He wouldn't agree. But we are what we are, Mike. Okay, so it is, I think, your.

B (150:03)

Main character, but then you were like, I like being a side.

A (150:05)

I love being supporting character. Supporting character. Character. Be a main character in your own life. You know what I mean? Like, with your partner, with your family. You know, be a main character. But yeah, not. You don't have to be a main character out and about and, you know, on. In your content. You know what I mean? Like, it's fine. Being a supporting character is fine. There's less pressure. But you don't have to. It's not like, you don't have to be the Katniss killing President Snow. You know what I mean?

B (150:27)

You were the Katniss in our Hunger Games.

A (150:28)

Just really, like, you know, for the moment, trying to lead the revolution. You know what I mean?

C (150:33)

Like.

B (150:36)

Questions. I think I'm.

A (150:38)

Yeah, I would set someone up to lead the revolution. You know what I mean?

B (150:41)

I love that.

A (150:42)

But I wouldn't have to do it. Yeah. I don't know if I'm cut out for it, but, yes, I'll set someone up. Set someone out to do it. So there's something wrong being a supporting character and that.

B (150:51)

Right.

A (150:51)

That works. It does work. So I think. But Brooke and Tana both have main character energy.

B (150:56)

That's true.

A (150:56)

That's true.

B (150:57)

You think they'll start their own podcasts?

A (150:59)

Yes. I feel like another. I don't know if Brooke will do, like, an actual podcast. I feel like Tana, she loves to gap. She is a yapper. She just is. She's always been a yapper since.

B (151:08)

Yes.

A (151:08)

She came out on the scene. She was just a yapper.

B (151:11)

She still is. She'll go on everyone's podcast. She's on Impulsive. She's on jazz. She's Just talking to everybody.

A (151:16)

She's on her and Jojo doing the most random podcast.

B (151:21)

And she's always like, I'm so tired. I'm so burned out. I'm like, stop going on all these random. She was here.

A (151:25)

Was it her resolution to say no to things?

B (151:26)

Yes, she was here at 8pm one night. And Paige, like, Jeff wants to know if you can come over and do Jeff FM at like 10 p p.m. i was like, Girl, what? We just did seven episodes. How are you still talking?

A (151:34)

I'm so. Dad, you're so right.

B (151:36)

She loves. She. I think. Yeah. I think she, like, loves to. Yeah. But I think, like you were saying is finding someone who, like, not in a bad way, but like. Yeah, like a side character who's happy.

A (151:46)

With their place in the world being a supporting character. You know, it's kind of. That's kind of the vibe you need.

B (151:51)

And she did kind of do that with Amari. Did they not have a podcast? Why do I feel like she had one or Mari might had a podcast that she was on? Not say, he's supporting character. But I'm just saying, like, something like that. I don't know why. I remember. He had one. He had one. I think.

A (152:03)

I think you're right. Yeah.

B (152:05)

And I think Tana had a second one. Even when they did cancel. I feel like she had, like, Tana's toxic traits or tips or something. Do you remember that she did, like, a second one and was giving advice. You told me about this recently. And she had, like, two podcasts.

A (152:16)

You can't keep her from yapping.

B (152:18)

And canceled. Went away for a little while before. Right. Didn't cancel.

A (152:20)

Go away in between iterations. Yeah, Before.

C (152:24)

Well, when they switch the companies.

A (152:25)

Yeah.

B (152:26)

Because they said too. It's like, maybe it'll come back. Which maybe, you know, because sometimes you leave, you think the grass is greener, but then you miss it. Or sometimes like, oh, thank God, it's over. I do love a podcast. I think I've had about 12 podcasts in the past four years. Can't hold me down with a podcast, that's for sure. Give me that microphone.

A (152:43)

I love it.

B (152:45)

I love a podcast.

A (152:46)

Everyone knows.

B (152:47)

Listen.

A (152:48)

Yeah.

B (152:48)

Oh, no, I. What was the least popular one? Probably the Last one has 12,000 views. But I loved it. I finished it to the end of the show.

A (152:56)

I loved it.

B (152:58)

I just think podcasts are just fun. I had an ASMR one. What were some other random ones? ASMR one was random.

C (153:04)

It was good. I. I truly believed in it. I Thought ASMR podcast is like a banger. Because I thought people want, you know, to relax, go to sleep with something. Like what's better than asmr?

B (153:15)

Didn't work.

C (153:16)

Why people. People always ask for you to make more asmr.

B (153:19)

But not ASMR podcast.

C (153:20)

No, the ASMR podcast. We get comments. I see them.

B (153:23)

That was in my PCR too. And people were coming for me cuz like I just had Malibu and she was like laying on my chest. Cuz she was like literally a week old. Like, oh my God, her using her baby for reviews. I was like, oh my God, the baby's literally laying on me. It was like pooing.

A (153:33)

Yeah. And if she wasn't there, Absentee mother.

B (153:36)

Right. Why aren't you with your baby? That is so true. I feel like there's other podcasts I did that were small and I. I can't think. Obviously what we're sharing was like two episodes.

A (153:44)

Oh, I forgot about that. Yes, that was.

B (153:45)

That was two episode dish with Trish that was gonna pop in. We had Shane, we had Jeffrey.

A (153:50)

Didn't you have two iterations of that or was it just one? I thought you had two. Like or seasons or whatever you call it.

B (153:57)

Three seasons. I did one in 2017 on like SoundCloud or 2015.

A (154:01)

And then the pink.

B (154:02)

Then the pink wall and then it was like quarantine where like my flop era of disrespect when I got canceled, Podcast one fired me even though they put no money into it. And I was like, how are you fire firing me? Because I just get us off the network. But that was my flop era. That's.

A (154:15)

I feel like Tana will inevitably fall out in your footsteps because you are like kindred spirits. And I feel like, you know, she'll be no podcast for like a month or something and then there'll be something else. You know what I mean?

B (154:26)

Right, right, right.

A (154:27)

I feel like you can't keep a microphone away from her. I feel like Brooke will do a different form of content. They sound like she wants to do the brook tries or whatever. So maybe she'll be doing that.

B (154:35)

She's gonna be opportun too. She should be a try guy. Did she say she wanted to do a Burke try? So I love that. That'd be great. They should put a girl in there.

A (154:42)

Taylor said, yeah. She's like, I can't wait to see you cook or whatever.

B (154:46)

Love. Okay.

C (154:47)

What the new Megan Merkel.

B (154:50)

That's a crazy comparison. But.

C (154:54)

I can see that style of.

A (154:56)

Show, like A lifestyle. Like a lore DIY vibe or something. This lore DIYs, I'm assuming. Assuming.

B (155:03)

No, she's done with DIY. She had that podcast and they just closed it.

A (155:09)

So now what?

B (155:10)

That's what I say. I'm like, what are you doing? You're married.

A (155:14)

Maybe she's just. Just living. I don't know.

B (155:17)

I just couldn't imagine, like, I guess. Yeah. One day, inevitably, the. Inevitably. Is that the right word?

A (155:22)

Yeah, I like the podcast.

B (155:24)

Yeah, probably. But it's like, well, then what do you do? I think about that. I'm like, then what do you do?

A (155:29)

Yeah, then what?

C (155:30)

I guess you go to Singapore and do live shows.

B (155:33)

That could be us or the hacks of it. For sure. That'd be fun. We could do our. We could do a live podcast in Singapore.

A (155:40)

Yeah. I'm trying not to mention the boo boos, but there is a special one there. Oh, no.

B (155:47)

Are you still gonna be on the Labubu craze then? Yeah. It's interesting. I don't know. I guess you. I guess you always find something. Like, I did my ASMR era during my peace era. I guess you always find something to do.

A (156:00)

Yeah, there'll be something else.

B (156:01)

I guess that's why people hop around. Huh. And they're kind of like, oh, I found something better. And then they leave. Usually. Huh.

A (156:06)

Versus. Oh, yeah. I feel like with normal people, like, you know, usually when you. You get a new job and then you quit the job, you have, like, you. You have. But sometimes people just leave.

B (156:17)

You don't think they have any jobs lined up?

A (156:18)

I think they have, like. I think Brooke has a. An idea of what she wants. I'm sure Tana does too. Okay.

B (156:22)

It just seem crazy to just be like. Especially they get a lot of views. They get more views than us. Although good for us. Cancel us at.

A (156:27)

Just come on down. Come on over. I like a little, like, sign outside the studio. Like, come on down.

B (156:33)

Just. I know. Kidding.

A (156:36)

We should buy an ad on the last episode of Cancel Love. All the episodes, we give them an ad read, and it's like, tan. I love a Tana ad read because she'd be doing it on a iPhone from Hawaii. The Kwan quality is. I want her to be like just Trish. A great place to come for celebrity gossip. And the quality is just terrible.

B (156:53)

Canceled, maybe ending. But if you want more gossip, go to Just Trish.

A (156:57)

Well, you know, I wonder what the rate is we have to buy an ad read.

B (157:00)

I'm 100% doing that. That's so smart. That's our audience. Gosh. I know.

A (157:06)

I'm so done.

B (157:07)

I know. Well, come on over because they've been getting lots of views. They get so many views. I was like, oh, my gosh.

A (157:14)

Oh, my God, I'm so done.

B (157:15)

I love them ending on a high, though. You gotta. You gotta go out with a ban.

A (157:20)

You do got to know when to end it. That is the secret to life.

B (157:22)

Yeah, I never, never listen to that. I've always just, like, beat it till it's.

A (157:26)

People have just ended. Like, we're done with you.

B (157:30)

People have ended. Yes, that's true.

A (157:32)

It's been non consensual. You've just been.

B (157:34)

Oh, my God. You're actually so right. Because I really don't think I've ever walked away from anything.

A (157:39)

You were four.

B (157:40)

Even, like, District Trish. I did get fired. That is crazy. Do you remember that? Happen, happen. I was like, so embarrassed. I'm like, how? How do you get fired from a podcast network who does nothing for you? I was like, what? And it's out of my house.

C (157:54)

Like, literally. She was paying for everything. To film, to edit, to upload. She would upload herself.

B (157:59)

I uploaded myself. I was like. And they told me it was like budget cuts or something. I was like, that's. That was crazy. It wasn't even a year of my contract ended. It was like nine months in. I was like, I'm so dead. You're so right about that. Wow. Hopefully I don't get fired from just. But Moses fires you. I know, right? I was like, oh, my gosh. Well, hopefully not Loveline is still going. I guess I got to ask her sometimes, I don't know, people are asking about that. I'm like, it's a good question.

A (158:31)

Oh, that's so funny. And mind you, y' all end up gossiping over there too. So what?

B (158:36)

That's true. Come to not love. Like, no one wants watches that. I don't know. No one ever promotes it. Whenever. I don't even think I promoted. I need to start promoting it. You're right. I don't know what's happening with that.

A (158:44)

One, but y' all are gossiping over there.

B (158:46)

Six months later, I take these Hot Topics. It's like, there for the next six months.

A (158:51)

Oh, my God.

B (158:51)

Which is always. It's a vibe then, too. But, you know, there it is. We love it. We love jorts. We love the cancel girls, and they'll be just fine. Call her. Daddy is crazy, though. When you think about how Alex Cooper. It's like. And, you know, I wonder. Sophia regrets it. She never really, really answers that question.

C (159:14)

Which means she regrets it.

A (159:15)

Yeah.

B (159:15)

Which is crazy. Don't you think? You'd be like, damn. Yeah. Hindsight.

C (159:20)

Well, because it's. It's like, you know when you go, like, imagine you have the lottery ticket and you didn't send it. You know, it's that she lives with that forever. You know, it's like she was so.

B (159:30)

Close because she had said a couple times that she didn't regret. She didn't regret it. But I was like, you have to regret that now.

A (159:36)

Yeah. The biggest guest she has is James Charles. And the biggest guest Alex Cooper has is Kamala Harris. I know. I would be. I would be seething. I'd be resentful. I would be.

B (159:48)

Yeah.

A (159:49)

Little troll. I'd be so mad. Y' all wouldn't even be able to hear the end.

B (159:53)

I know. You think she'd go more hard on it because even the James Charles episode didn't, like, kill it in views. You know what I mean? Mean. But I feel bad. That does. That does suck. You're forever seeing that and you're just like.

A (160:05)

You can't escape it. That is the word.

B (160:07)

And she just gets bigger and bigger. She's just doing, like, documentaries.

A (160:10)

Billionaire.

B (160:12)

Like, selling it for 160 million. I was like that.

A (160:15)

Citing Harry Jowsy.

B (160:17)

Oh, well, one L. That's L for the chat.

A (160:22)

There you go. That's a good term.

B (160:24)

I know. Who did we see? Huh? And chat. We're done.

C (160:28)

I'm saying this is a chat. Sorry.

B (160:30)

What's up, Chat? Go look at the Bible vlogs. Anyways, I'm just. I don't want this to happen. Yeah, that's right. Good, good. Transition out, guys. Extended podcast this week is on patreon.com just trish. We love you guys. Thanks for watching. We have a guest coming up this week, so we will see you next week for Hot topics. But you, if you want more, go to Patreon. Patreon. Com estrish prayers up Chat. We'll see you in the next one.

A (160:56)

Ending Fairy. Yeah, it's a little snap over.

B (161:00)

I love it. Bye.