June 3, 2025

Summary

Just Trish Podcast Summary – Episode Released June 3, 2025

Hosts: Trisha Paytas and Moses Hackman, with occasional contributions from Oscar Gracey

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1. Performing at World Pride and Tour Updates

The episode kicks off with Trisha and Moses sharing exciting news about their upcoming performances at World Pride in Washington D.C. They express enthusiasm for integrating rainbow-themed elements into their final weekend of the "Eras of Trish" tour.

• Trisha Paytas [00:40]: "We hope to see you there. Bring all your friends."
• Moses Hackman [01:30]: "We'll make it gay into the show for the first time."

They highlight exclusive Pride merchandise and encourage fans to attend their shows, emphasizing the celebratory atmosphere planned for Pride Month.

2. Merchandise Launch and Promotions

Trisha and Moses delve into their new line of merchandise, showcasing oversized mugs, reusable tumblers, and trucker hats adorned with glitter, pink, and rainbow designs to celebrate Pride.

• Moses Hackman [03:02]: "Everything just tastes better out of a Just Trish mug."
• Trisha Paytas [04:30]: "You have a good head for a hat modeling."

They playfully discuss the practicality and aesthetic appeal of their products, encouraging listeners to purchase and showcase their support.

3. Personal Updates and Experiences

Moses provides a heartfelt update about his pregnancy, detailing the physical discomforts and emotional challenges he's facing as they near the birth of their child.

• Moses Hackman [07:05]: "I've never slept at all yesterday. My chair didn't go back on the plane."
• Trisha Paytas [08:50]: "It's really just around the corner at this point."

Trisha adds her own reflections, acknowledging the changing dynamics as they prepare to welcome their baby.

4. Celebrity Gossip and Pop Culture Commentary

a. Taylor Swift and Masters Reissue

Trisha and Moses discuss Taylor Swift's recent triumph in acquiring her masters and the anticipated release of her "vault" tracks for the album Reputation.

• Trisha Paytas [09:04]: "She sounds the same because she was a grown adult."
• Moses Hackman [09:12]: "She looks so young to me, but she's getting her masters back."

They commend Taylor for her resilience and strategic moves in the music industry.

b. Jojo Siwa's Relationship and Sexuality

A significant portion of the conversation centers on Jojo Siwa's evolving sexuality and her new relationship dynamics, sparking debates among fans.

• Trisha Paytas [26:31]: "She's celebrating Pride with heterosexual relations."
• Moses Hackman [32:12]: "She's a gay icon for sure, forever and ever."

They analyze the public's reaction to Jojo's personal revelations, balancing support with critical observations.

c. James Charles Controversies

The hosts express strong disdain for James Charles, critiquing his handling of past controversies and questionable PR tactics.

• Trisha Paytas [134:44]: "You're the worst. He's literally the worst person on the Internet."
• Moses Hackman [136:40]: "He needs to shut up. He's so gaslighty."

They discuss various incidents, including inappropriate interactions and manipulative behaviors, advocating for accountability.

d. Other Celebrities and TV Shows

Trisha and Moses touch upon other pop culture topics, including Righteous Gemstones, Glee, and upcoming TV adaptations, offering their unfiltered opinions and insights.

• Moses Hackman [85:07]: "Righteous Gemstones is my favorite show now."
• Trisha Paytas [117:12]: "I wish she had the age agency she has now."

5. Discussions about Specific Events

a. Singing on Planes Incident

The podcast addresses the viral incident of a young girl singing "Moana" repeatedly on a delayed flight, debating the public's mixed reactions.

• Moses Hackman [57:08]: "It's offensive; her parents shouldn't have let her go up there."
• Trisha Paytas [61:24]: "It's so sad because it's like, obviously you get the opportunity, you want to take it."

They empathize with both the child and frustrated passengers, highlighting the complexities of internet virality.

6. Fan Engagement and Patreon Updates

Trisha and Moses encourage listeners to engage through their Patreon platform, where they share additional content like ranking enemies and hosting guest episodes.

• Moses Hackman [38:10]: "We did talk about that on our Patreon."
• Trisha Paytas [40:37]: "We have to do more of those."

They emphasize the value of fan support and participation in enriching their podcast experience.

7. Upcoming Events and Future Plans

The hosts tease upcoming episodes, including guest appearances and continued discussions on hot topics, while reflecting on their successful tour and merchandise sales.

• Moses Hackman [156:45]: "Tune in to the guest episode."
• Trisha Paytas [157:21]: "We'll see you in the next one. Bye."

They express gratitude towards their audience, celebrating the milestones achieved during the tour and looking forward to future endeavors.

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Notable Quotes:

• Trisha Paytas [00:40]: "We hope to see you there. Bring all your friends."
• Moses Hackman [01:30]: "We'll make it gay into the show for the first time."
• Moses Hackman [26:31]: "She's a gay icon for sure, forever and ever."
• Trisha Paytas [134:44]: "You're the worst. He's literally the worst person on the Internet."

This episode of Just Trish offers a blend of personal anecdotes, candid celebrity critiques, and lively discussions on current pop culture trends, all delivered with Trisha Paytas' trademark unfiltered honesty.

Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses Hackman]

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[Moses Hackman]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses Hackman]

Injury is an additional coverage and subject to policy terms. It's just like when someone is like just an awful person and they're ugly, like oozes out. You know what I mean? That's what it is. So when people are like saying, oh, jump scare, it's because you're protruding that. It's not like you're unattractive booking. It's just the ugly comes out, you know what I mean? And everyone's like, ooh, hello. Welcome to Just Trish podcast. But the gay version.

[Trisha Paytas]

Gayer than ever.

[Moses Hackman]

Gayer than ever. Didn't know that could be possible. We're amping up all the gay today. Moses, Oscar, amp it up. Turn that gay natural.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, honey. Yeah. The house down boots.

[Moses Hackman]

Sounds just like you every day. Just your everyday stream. Your Sunday stream.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hackman]

That was good though. I like it. I'm not going to even ask Moses to do it. I was about to ask him like, nevermind. Let's just skip through that, you guys. Happy Pride month. We hope Pride just happened over the weekend. World Pride is happening this week. Friday night I will be there performing right after Betty who and right before Rita Ora. We are sandwiched in a good spot. 5:25 Main stage, Washington D.C. world pride. Be there, be square. This whole weekend is the last weekend of the Eras of Trish tour. I know. And it's June. We have all rainbow outfits. We're putting gay into the show for the first time. Exclusive, exclusive Pride merch fans. Eras of Trish fans. Everything's gonna be sold. It's gonna be so great. We hope to see you there. Bring all your friends.

[Trisha Paytas]

Only the gay ones.

[Moses Hackman]

Only the gay ones for sure. That yes. Otherwise leave the streets at home. It's not for them. Not for Jojo Siwa this year. Damn, she's queer. She's invited. Everyone's invited to the. Is it the barbecue? Is that what people say? Yeah, like you can come to the barbecue work. Okay. Yeah, you're invited to the barbecue. And mugs available now@just trish.com. just sip your.

[Oscar]

Oh, you get the mug.

[Moses Hackman]

Your little drinks, huh?

[Oscar]

You get the mug.

[Moses Hackman]

You don't have one.

[Oscar]

I am, but I'm saying today you get ordered.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, the mug cam.

[Oscar]

You're the mug cam.

[Moses Hackman]

This is oversized mug too, so you look teeny tiny when you're drinking it. It's a big, giant mug. You should hold it in comparison to see if it still looks big next to you. Mine looks big, right? I don't know. It also just.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is a big.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I mean, I use them every day.

[Moses Hackman]

This is a big. Oversized, but not crazy. I don't know if you can, like eat soup out of it, but it is an oversized.

[Oscar]

So you can have a good amount of wine in it.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, you actually can fit a lot into it. Everything just tastes better out of a Just Trish mug. So get your Just Trish mugs today. Glitter and pink and gay because it's pride. So we're gonna make that. And then over here we have Just Trish reusable tumblers with a little silicone band and top and just cute little. Everyone's monetizing off our checker print Just Trish, so I thought we are too. Okay, so. Oh, it's a bamboo cup. There it is. Hand wash them. Keep your drinks tasty with the Just Trish beverage ware. And we also have Just Trish trucker hats. These are so cute on. I can't put them on today because my wig. But they are so cute on and I love them so much. We have silver and we have the checkered print one here. Yeah. So, you know, it looks really cute. And I don't have a wig on. I swear it looks really good because it's giving Britney Spears. But you know, I started these in 2023 and we just got them. They took a while there. Oh, perfect.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, there you go. Good model.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, you are a good model.

[Trisha Paytas]

You have a good head for a hat modeling.

[Moses Hackman]

You do have for it. Mine does fit, but it just. I got the wig. I got everything going against it. Yeah, you look great. So there you go. Get your hats today, your mugs today, and we'll see you at the Eras of Trish tour this weekend. And if you have an extra Labubu with rainbow teeth. Two extra. Me and Oscar are looking for the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Secret buying for those rainbow Labo. Jimmy is the only one out of the whole crew that has one.

[Moses Hackman]

That's crazy. And it was just luck.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just luck. That's why he's in here complaining they get stolen. I'm like, listen, you have the good.

[Moses Hackman]

Luck, so, yeah, we know where you live, Jimmy. I don't know if that's weird. Yeah, I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I tell him all the time.

[Moses Hackman]

I was gonna say, my Oscar's rubbed off on me because even during times like, let's rob him, I know you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did a little Q and A. Where can I get this? I'm like, I know exactly where we can find it.

[Moses Hackman]

I almost reposted, but I was like, let me not give. Anyways, Jimmy, leave her cut. Depending on your safety. But we did get some Labubus again this weekend. We got a Labubu with a Birkin. We got a Glinda Labubu. This was a faux Birkin made by Brian.

[Trisha Paytas]

That looks really good.

[Moses Hackman]

Yes. He made his. And he made me one, too. And he came to St. Louis because I have my real Birkin over here. It looks. It looks this better. Honestly. It looks identical, but honestly, better. It looks fuller. It looks better. I'm gonna wear the pink one because I'm scared to wear this one out. Honestly, it's more value than mine. But rainbow Birkins are making a comeback. We got a snake Labubu for Year of the Snake. I didn't even know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I didn't know that either.

[Moses Hackman]

You've seen these or no. Yeah. Moses just found it in our. My little suitcase today because we've been unpacking stuff.

[Oscar]

But let me give you some more. So I'll show you a couple more things.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, we got some more.

[Oscar]

This one I saw on Tick Tock somebody as they were making this.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. That was so cute. Oh, that's really cute. We should hang it in our entry.

[Oscar]

And then we got the whole Just Trish Lego set.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, yeah. Oscar, Moses, and me.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Moses Hackman]

Your little glasses. Lego.

[Oscar]

And then you actually, like. You called me and you told me about this sticker, the water droplet sticker.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. She was so excited, but I was, too. I thought they were just cute stickers she made. And then she. Look at the detail of it. Like, it's a water droplet, but he's holding mug and canned fish.

[Trisha Paytas]

How cute.

[Moses Hackman]

So most of his mascot, right? I was like, so cute.

[Oscar]

But we Got your. Your bundle here, Oscar.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. Oh, my God. Love. I love. How sweet. Thank you. Oh, I see. Next. Axolotl. How cute. Thank you so much.

[Moses Hackman]

People love the whale Axolotl. Otters.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where is the shirt from? My official merch.

[Moses Hackman]

Ooh, ooh. Is that maybe from Oscar?

[Trisha Paytas]

Because he has one. I was like, where'd you get that? Oh, my God.

[Moses Hackman]

Where did he get it? He made.

[Trisha Paytas]

He needs to make my merch, I guess.

[Moses Hackman]

You actually look really good. I love all the looks a wearing my own merch. Yeah, you should. You love those shirts.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. This actually eats. Oh, my God. Great quality, too.

[Moses Hackman]

He wore to the show. I was like, I love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hackman]

I still think people think he's you love. Because people will be like, you guys should go on tour. And I'll be like, him and me. And I'm like, me and Oscar crave.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe.

[Moses Hackman]

Maybe that's what they meant.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I'm just.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, but they love you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Thank you guys so much.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oscar.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oscar crave stickers.

[Moses Hackman]

Wow. Oscar crave. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He is on it.

[Moses Hackman]

I really can't even sit everything. Well, not just at this point, I think, because yesterday I was not to be. I don't like to complain. I really don't, because I have so much to be grateful for. Oh, my God. But I didn't sleep at all yesterday. And my chair didn't go back on the plane. And it's like a four and a half plane ride back from Nashville. Sitting hurts. Everything's so high. And I'm like, oh, I just, like, I was so, so nauseous. And then I told the. I was up front at the beginning because I was like, I feel a little nauseous. Can I have, like, a bag? And I guess you're not supposed to say you're sick before you take off because they're like, well, you feel sick. You have to deplane. And I was like, just anxiety, actually. Just never mind. And I was like, can I have the bag anyways? And so they gave me the bag and ginger ale and I just sat. And I was just like, so not. And then they were like, asking how far along I was. I googled on tsa and they said, like, you can fly up to, like, 34 weeks, and I'm only 31, so I'm fine. I don't know. Can they kick you off the plane for being too pregnant?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know.

[Moses Hackman]

My doctor says it's okay. I don't know. We have one week left. We're gonna make it count. But I was like, sitting. Like, sitting up hurts. It's so crazy. So maybe I'll lean back a little bit. I don't know. It's just. It's been one.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, it's getting there too. Really Just around the corner at this point.

[Moses Hackman]

I know July birthdays are upon us. Cancer seasons happening sooner than we think. Sorry, Geminis. We're skipping past it, but it is crazy. I noticed you had a snake on your shirt. What is this?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. I went full snake today in honor of Taylor Swift.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh. Cause she got her masters back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Mm. And she said she's gonna release the vault. Like, the vault tracks for reputation at some point. So I'm like, honestly, I'm good. I'm glad that she, you know, won. She did her big one. She got her money's worth.

[Moses Hackman]

So I literally have no idea what any of that means. 2017, 2019.

[Trisha Paytas]

I see it in your eyes.

[Moses Hackman]

The voice, maturing. What does that mean? Okay, just that she sounds different. So it wouldn't be the same for you.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Like, her voice on all the other albums, like, she was younger, so her voice just sounds different. So it sounds. I don't know, there's. You can. A little bit of a difference, but reputation, her, she sounds the same because she was a grown adult.

[Moses Hackman]

So what she held, was she 2017 a while ago?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So she must have been like maybe 29, 30. So I feel like her voice was pretty mature by that.

[Moses Hackman]

How does she know?

[Trisha Paytas]

36, 34, I think.

[Moses Hackman]

No, she was born 89. That's a year after me, so I'm 37. She must be 36. That's crazy because she does look so young to me. She is in my head too. Like a 25 year old. Yeah, she looks good, but that's crazy to be like she's gonna be 40 in four years.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Moses Hackman]

Like, she always just seems like a little kid to me. But the youthfulness.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she looks great.

[Moses Hackman]

She's out to dinner with Selena last night.

[Trisha Paytas]

I want to know what the tea was. There's a one photo of them, and Taylor's just gagged at whatever tea Selena's spilling. And I want more than anything to know what the hell they were talking about.

[Moses Hackman]

Do you think it was a setup shot?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, because why?

[Moses Hackman]

She never else photographed anymore. Like, I always feel like she chooses when to be photographed. She was dressed up. She had heels.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, she went out in public, so I think she knows when she goes out in public, she's gonna get Photo.

[Moses Hackman]

You think that's the only time she's been out in public in like years?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, because she was out like in New York. She knows she's gonna get photographed. So if she doesn't want to get like paparazzi, she's not in New York.

[Moses Hackman]

Where's she at?

[Trisha Paytas]

Wherever, with Travis.

[Moses Hackman]

Kelsey, that's so crazy because I. I love the idea of never going out, but then what do you do? You just stay in the whole time?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think there's just places where there's like not paparazzi around. So I don't think so. She was in Florida for a while and the only like photo that came out was just because someone took a photo of them in the restaurant.

[Moses Hackman]

That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

That's amazing. Well, guess Florida's not too bad. Guess that's a place to go hide out. That's because you never do see her out. And I'm always like. Even I think about like Brad Pitt or like Tom Cruise. I'm like, how come we never like just see them out? And like, maybe they don't go out. Like I think about with kids. Like we go out with our kids. I mean, we see someone like every, every day. There's like at least five people we see just going down the street to like lunch. I'm like, how do really big celebrities do? I guess they just can't go out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or you just know which areas, like not go in. I guess, like there's never paparazzi at where I go.

[Moses Hackman]

So you don't think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Come on. No, I've. I have never once in like my area ever seen a paparazzi.

[Moses Hackman]

Even like fan paparazzi. We've been paparazzi at the PF Changs near you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess fan paparazzi? Yeah, but not like real paparazzi. Not like a tmz.

[Moses Hackman]

That's what I'm saying. I feel like someone like Taylor Sword. You think there'd be fan paparazzi's everywhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

It happens a lot. I mean, she was pretty hidden for like a couple months. And yeah, the only photo that really came out was like Florida like a week or two weeks ago.

[Moses Hackman]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

But she just wasn't in New York. When she's in New York, anywhere she goes, she gets. I mean, they wait outside her apartment.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's so weird. It's like that one photo, like you said, there's one photo. They're dressed up.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's more. There's photos of them going in and out.

[Moses Hackman]

You Know where they were at?

[Trisha Paytas]

They were at a bar. I don't really know New York that.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, but it looks like the one I went to. I went to one after my show and they're like, everyone comes here. Justin Bieber, Hailey. Hailey Baldwin or Hailey Bieber. I guess it's like. I don't know. And then I went. Nobody was there. I was like. I was so excited. But it did kind of look like the outside of that place. I can't remember what it was called. But they're like, it's so hard to get a reservation here. You have to come. And then nobody was there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, well. You were the big star that day.

[Moses Hackman]

I was the only person in there. But it was like 20 minutes from the city too. Remember that one I went to? Remember. Forgot what it was called. But anyways. Happy Pride. Did you go to We Hope?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hackman]

Why not?

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I've come to the realization and let me. I'm gonna be vulnerable here. I don't think I like parades. I really was thinking about it and I'm like, I think I just don't like them.

[Moses Hackman]

You don't like parades?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think I like parades. I was seeing all, like, the WeHo Pride, like, Instagram stories and stuff. And I'm like, I saw Cara Delevingne drive by on, like, a little car on the float. I saw the Pop Mart Flow. Huh? Shout out. Ali and Manny Mua. They were the ambassadors. They were the gay ambassadors around the float.

[Moses Hackman]

How did they get that?

[Trisha Paytas]

I have no idea.

[Moses Hackman]

Should have been up there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Ally.

[Moses Hackman]

Come on.

[Trisha Paytas]

Exactly.

[Oscar]

Were they throwing laboors in the crowd?

[Trisha Paytas]

Honey.

[Moses Hackman]

But could you imagine?

[Trisha Paytas]

It'd be World War iii. The gays would be fighting for this. Me going to Pride just to get a Jimmy.

[Moses Hackman]

Should have been on the Pop Mart flow. I know he was there.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's very fear. Like, he's a very influential Pop Mart ambassador.

[Moses Hackman]

I would say him and Ms. Remy Ash and have influenced me to do Pop Mart.

[Trisha Paytas]

I honestly think so. Like Jimmy, Jewel Sparkles, Vanilla Maze. I feel like those are the Jules sparkles. Was a really big one because I was resisting Jimmy. But then Jules was just so. She got all the Drag Race girls, though. Like, all the rude girls are loving the boo Boos now. Susie too was anti Labubu. But now Jules has Susie opening Labubus and having a fun time.

[Moses Hackman]

I love it so much. Yeah. She is a trendsetter. She started me gooning.

[Trisha Paytas]

True. You are in your tour photo. I'm like, you're gooning live at the air.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, yeah, they bring signs. It's like, can we goon together? Every city this weekend had that.

[Oscar]

So I was like, people that goon together stay together.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, honestly. Thanks, Jules, for that. I love it. She even commented on my one where I did a gooning. She, like, love it. She started it. She's queen, trendsetter of everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's very influential. Show that Joel Sparkles.

[Moses Hackman]

Corey King was at Pride, too. She was like.

[Trisha Paytas]

She performed, I think.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. She had a pink dress on. Looks so good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Very booked, that Corey King.

[Moses Hackman]

They are booked and busy. So what were you doing yesterday?

[Trisha Paytas]

Not at Pride.

[Moses Hackman]

What'd you do? Did you just. How can you not go to Pride? I was so sad.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I not. I don't like parades. And also with we hope prize especially, it's like, too many hot people. And it's also hot outside. It's like, literally, if you had to, like, design my worst nightmare, I think it would be Pride, as much as I love it.

[Moses Hackman]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

I love churros.

[Moses Hackman]

I wanted the churros. I haven't seen everyone eat the churros. I was like, damn, that looks good.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's hot. It's like 100 degrees.

[Moses Hackman]

Bring a fan.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's too many hot people. So that I'm just like extra self conscious because I'm like, it's too many hot people in one setting.

[Moses Hackman]

Isn't that the point? It's like, wow, look at all these hot people everywhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're hot. It's cool. It's like, damn, look at me with all these my fellow hotties.

[Moses Hackman]

But that's. Even if you're the ugly, you go get your Tinder photo there. You know what I mean? Take a picture next to the hot guy. Post it.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is the worst. Like, really? Yes. There is nothing worse because, I mean, at the second photo, they're going to know that you're the ugly.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, don't put a second photo on.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just the one.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, that's the key. That's why you go to those things. Yeah. I can't believe you missed it.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it's like every. It's like the perfect storm for me to not go, actually. So it's like too many hot people. It's hot outside. I don't like parades.

[Moses Hackman]

What about the lesbian march on Saturday? I wanted to go to that also.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was kind of May 31st. I'm not ready. I'm not ready to celebrate gayness that day. You know what I mean? Like, I'm still processing march. So I'm like, I'm not mentally prepared for, like, June Pride on May 31.

[Moses Hackman]

What happened to April?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I'm all the way back in March, mentally. Yeah, there's a delay. I mean, like, processing. It's been a crazy six months so far, but.

[Moses Hackman]

No, I know. It really has been.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I think probably do a little bit later in June. I think next week, like, the World Pride weekend is good, because then you're like, oh, yes, it's June. You're, like, settled into it, and then I can celebrate.

[Moses Hackman]

Thought I was a little too early.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I was a little too early as well.

[Moses Hackman]

June 1st really does roll around and everyone's just rainbows.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know what not everyone. Like, a lot of companies aren't doing big Pride stuff this year, which is very sad. But guess who is? Pop Mart. So anyone who's, like, upset at us, you know, promoting Labu boos. Well, at least they're at the WeHo Pride.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everything Rainbow, their TikTok shop. They're selling gay stuff. So let's celebrate that we're supporting a company that at least embraces queer identity.

[Moses Hackman]

That's so true. Then you have companies like Target shout out Jimmy for Boots on the Ground on this one. Did you see the TikTok he sent us? I guess everyone's upset with Target. They're always kind of upset with Target, with Pride, for a couple reasons, I guess. One year was in the back, and now it's in the front. I guess also, too. Do they donate to any charities?

[Trisha Paytas]

I would. Let me see, actually.

[Moses Hackman]

And then they rushed it this year. They were trying to get that Pride merch out early and forgot to put any wording on the labels. They put gibberish on there. There was absolutely nothing to be said.

[Oscar]

The placeholder. Somebody was supposed to fill it in.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, really? Is that what it was?

[Oscar]

Yeah, because it's a famous. What do you call it? Just when you want to fill in a text, it's a. It's always the same. That's what I was saying.

[Moses Hackman]

What? Oh, I didn't know.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

So someone just forgot to write text on the tag.

[Oscar]

So they're supposed to refill that with text.

[Moses Hackman]

They must donate to someone. I mean, you can't do Pride Merge without donating, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

It doesn't say on their website. It just says celebrate Pride. Pride collection. I feel like it would advertise.

[Moses Hackman]

No. Could you imagine if they just kept all the money? They're like, let's just monetize off. Cause the shirts literally just say gay. And I'm like, which I love, but also like, okay, well donate to some.

[Trisha Paytas]

Out loud and Proud they have. Okay. Oh, they have a little gay bird that kind of looks like you.

[Moses Hackman]

Like me? Let me see what it's kind of.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's Bridgerton. You.

[Moses Hackman]

Wait, why is she like that? That's a Pride one.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is the Pride one.

[Moses Hackman]

Why did they put her in a pink Bridgerton dress? You. They're like, that's gay. I'll take her. What's her name?

[Trisha Paytas]

Pride. Featherly friend.

[Oscar]

Is it for Amish people or what?

[Moses Hackman]

What is that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's odd, but also like, I feel like they downsize the Pride collection in stores because they're like, you know, it's not as cool in this political climate, I guess to do Pride. So again, that's why Pop Mart, at least they're. They're still.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, is that why you think it's less?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think because it's smaller. Yeah. A lot of companies, like, usually they make the little like I social media rainbow and stuff.

[Moses Hackman]

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[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like all time of year though. Just for like pride though, I feel like you don't like rainbows, but you like rainbows in the context of gay all year round.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, for sure that. Well, if you're talking about gays, yes. Rainbows, they don't go with much. Like this goes with nothing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It is kind of the ugliest flag, surprisingly. Because you think that the gay flag would be like the fiercest one.

[Moses Hackman]

But the rainbow doesn't go with much like the rainbow emoji is what I'm thinking of the rainbow flag, you know, it's cool. But the rainbow emoji, I don't know, like the actual.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean the rainbow emoji is just like the rainbow. No.

[Moses Hackman]

Right. But then there's like the rainbow flag that you know what I mean? Looks more like a. You know, chevrons. But yes. Rainbow people all year.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hackman]

Work mama Gay all year. I know we landed yesterday at 10am and my producer, Jeremy went, and he was, like, the only one who went by noon to go to the parade. And he's like, no one else is going. I'm like, no. And then he's just like, okay, well, way to celebrate your pride. They're like, we're celebrating 365. That's what we're celebrating. I was like, okay, that's tea. Nobody went. Everyone's like, we're tired. We're going. Tea. Yeah.

[Oscar]

Whole tour is to celebrate. Been celebrating it for months now.

[Moses Hackman]

Pride. Yes, we have. But actual gay people be celebrating it every day. Turn on Grindr and your pride. You know what I mean? But I do love a Pride month. I just. Like, a month for gays. I think that is where we are, where we need.

[Trisha Paytas]

Uhhuh. Except for Jojo Siwa, which was down bad. Celebrating June 1, the first day of pride, she said with heterosexual.

[Moses Hackman]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Relations.

[Moses Hackman]

Crazy. Isn't that crazy? The bad one. At first, when I opened My ex and I saw it, I literally thought it was, like, a picture of, like, me or something. I get nervous. You know what I mean? I guess if I got, like, not saying her, but I'm just saying, like, if I got, like, blacked down. Don't remember on tour, because I was gone, and I was like, did I? You know, Which. I'm always scared. Like, it's a weird fear because I literally just go home and sleep. But I'm always scared, like, someone's gonna be in the room or someone's gonna take, like, a picture of me, like, in a compromising situation. I thought that would take me for a second. I don't know why. Like, my first thought was, like, that looks like me. But then I didn't see it because I. That's, like, my fear, right? Is like, with all the cheating men out there in the world, I just think, like, oh, my God. What if I was, like, in a position where it looks like I'm, like, cuddling somebody? And then I saw this picture. I'm, like, kind of looked like that. It looks like a one you take when someone, like, doesn't know. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

It was sleeping. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

And he's just like. That's like. I don't know. It's giving. It was giving. Peekaboo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

But you also know that she's posing, like, the whole thing.

[Moses Hackman]

Not Necessarily.

[Oscar]

I think this was posed.

[Moses Hackman]

I'm taking pictures of people sleeping.

[Oscar]

Yeah. But I have. When you look at her face, you can see that she was just like, okay, close your eyes for a second and take the picture.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, the flash was on, so I mean, you're woken her up. Yeah. It's like, what the hell?

[Moses Hackman]

To me, I look candid. I thought it was candid. I thought it was me for real. I was like, oh, my gosh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Chris Hughes on first day of pride. Damn. Posted on a Snapchat and captioned it Sleeping Beauty. And it was the two of them. He. I didn't have her shirt on. It didn't look like she had a top on either, which was very weird. I mean, maybe she had like a. There was a strap. Yes. Maybe she had like a bralette. I don't know. But it's very odd. Some people said it looked like when you have like skin to skin contact with the baby, that's kind of what it was giving. And I'm like, damn, I can't unsee that. I really can't see it.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, her defense, that is what's cuddling is, you know, true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. I think it was just her head and her hair was like so looked at. So when you look really quick, it's.

[Moses Hackman]

Like, huh, yeah, that one. She could have put her hair down a little, like a little tassel if it was posed. But I don't think it was posed because that would be me. I wear my hair up ugly. Not ugly, but like, I wear my hair up ugly all the time. So if I were to take an actual picture of me and was kind of like, that's what it would look like and my hair would look a little cuckoo. So that's why I thought it was more candid. But she. Yeah, well, you know, she. Did she. Or am I just like making this up? Did she give a statement on it? She said she confirmed that they are. Oh, yeah, they're no longer platonic. It's no longer a platonic thing. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She confirmed that she is head over heels for Chris and that it's not platonic anymore. She said it's been a beautiful development, a beautiful connection and I'm absolutely head over heels for him and he's the same way.

[Moses Hackman]

So it's official.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's official. It's very. I. Ever since Gabby Wendy raised the red flag about this Chris Hughes character.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh. Even more, I think on her podcast or someone else's, she like went more in depth of why.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hackman]

Dubious it wasn't just the age difference. There's, like, a lot more.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, he. I don't really trust the Love island guy like, that. I feel. Right.

[Moses Hackman]

Harry Jowsey is Love island, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's one of those. One of those islands.

[Moses Hackman]

I think he is. I think he is Australian one, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know.

[Moses Hackman]

I don't know. This guy's, like, British, too, or something, so. I know. I. You know, I'm Jojo. It's just like. It's just like. I, like, I do love her. I say it over and over. I love her so much. But, like, getting into another relationship right. When your last one just ended later.

[Oscar]

It'S not when the last one ended.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hackman]

That's the bad part. And it's just a pattern. And it's just that. Because it's like, I get wanting to be in love and falling in love, but just, like, let yourself heal.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And that was the thing that I was, like, rooting for Jojo, because in the celebrity Big Brother house, like, we said, it was like, the first time she was, like, free of influence from, you know, like, her team or her mom or everything, so she could, like, be herself and figure things out, and she did. And.

[Moses Hackman]

No, she had an older man. Stupid. And try to, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Influence. Yes.

[Moses Hackman]

So he was the influence.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, yeah, you would think, like, if I was in that position, if it was, like, me and, like, if I was Chris and I was in this situation, I'd be like, you should, like, take a minute and figure yourself out. Like, figure out, like, your sexuality. Like, is this something you actually want? Especially you're 10 years older, so you definitely have the responsibility to be like, no. Like, you take a step back, figure yourself out, and figure out, do you want to be with a man, like, or do you really. Are you really a lesbian? Like, she seems also confused about her own sexuality. So, like, give her a second and figure that out.

[Moses Hackman]

Give her a second. Don't be blasting pictures in bed together. Because it's just like, don't be in bed with her at that age. You know what I mean? It's just like. Yeah, there's just a lot. There's a lot going on. Obviously, we see externally, but I'm sure, like, internally, there's probably more.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

And it's like, it's one thing if it would be, like, just for clout, but it's like, I just. I don't know if. And, you know, it's just. It's hard to tell.

[Trisha Paytas]

She denied. She got asked straight up if by the guardian, if this was a PR stunt. And she said that they have a genuine connection and they're not faking a thing. And said that even her family has noticed how much happier she is now than she has been in years. She said, clearly, you've never been around us. I won't. I won't speak for him, but for me personally, the happiness in my life just radiates off of me right now. Literally yesterday, I was massaging my cheeks. I've never before been in pain from smiling so much.

[Moses Hackman]

I feel like she says it's every relationship. It sounds literally, like, the same.

[Trisha Paytas]

The first interview, she does.

[Moses Hackman]

Everything like, this is it. This is for real. I'm so in love. We're gonna have kids. I wonder if she keeps the same name with each person.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like she has to, right? Because I feel like she's been saying those names for, like, a year.

[Moses Hackman]

I guess the names I could see keeping. But, like, I always wanted, like, a Disney wedding, but I always talked about that with someone else. So, like, when I was like, I can't have a Disney wedding, I talked about with someone else. Not that the other person wanted it, but it was like. I was like, no, I've already said that with somebody else. I can't. But then I regret it. I wanted that wedding for me. Like, you know what I mean? But the names. Yeah, I guess the names have always been mine, so I guess, yeah, girl, keep those names. Maybe it'll happen.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe. I mean, also, in the big brother house, he was talking about putting babies in her too, so.

[Moses Hackman]

Red Flag.

[Trisha Paytas]

Mm.

[Moses Hackman]

When a guy. So quickly. Red flag. Trust me, I'm. That. I was that guy. I'm like, I need a baby right now. Red flag. Almost broke up with Moses over it. I was like, if you don't give me a baby, then we're gonna be done. He started packing those things up, and I was like, don't go. Just stay. You know what I mean? But I was like, I'm like, we have to break up. I can't. I can't be with you if you don't want to have babies right now. And I remember you were packing stuff out of the dresser, and I was like, no, don't go.

[Trisha Paytas]

Psych.

[Moses Hackman]

I thought it worked. I thought ultimatums worked like that. I don't think they do, no.

[Oscar]

Well, that's.

[Moses Hackman]

With me, but not with. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not with a normal person, I don't think. Yeah. Trapping someone with a baby is, like, a strong foundation of a. I was.

[Moses Hackman]

Pretty honest I was like, well, I'm not on birth control, but I want a baby, so trapping is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Mm.

[Moses Hackman]

There's one of my hot topics is trapping, but we can keep on the JoJo one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, JoJo is still celebrating Pride because people have been like, damn, like, she was so lesbian. Now she's starting Pride with heterosexual relations. But, no, she's still celebrating Pride. She said happy day one of the happiest month on her Instagram story. What I have learned over the last 22 years is that pride is all about love, acceptance, and celebration. No matter who you are or what you are, you are you. You beautiful. You are perfect. Everyone's story is different, and everyone's journey is different. The most beautiful thing about love is that it's just love. Happy Pride. To the beautiful LGBTQIA community, to the allies, and to all that exist.

[Moses Hackman]

It is. Love it. Lovely. I do love it. That is great, JoJo. We. That's cute. I love spreading the awareness, but she was, like, lesbian number one. You know what I mean? Like, she was like, I am full on lesbian. I created gay pop. And then to be like, just. So I'm with a guy now.

[Oscar]

I mean, but she's still queer. Like, bi.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's queer.

[Oscar]

She's not.

[Moses Hackman]

I think it's just a shock because she was with, like, so many girls. But, yeah, I guess that there's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like, usually the pipeline to figuring out sexuality for a lot of people. Both, like, men, women, non binaries. Usually you start out, like, people think bi at first and then from bye. But, like, actually, no, it's just one.

[Moses Hackman]

She went the other way.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Or some people are like, bye, stay by. Some people are by, go to one. But then she went lesbian to buy, so. Or whatever she considers she started.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She said it is a little more unique.

[Moses Hackman]

I guess it's like when like, like guys, too, then they say they're gay, and then they end up, like, straight, and you're just like. Well, that was a. Yeah, I guess it happens.

[Trisha Paytas]

Clearly. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

That's crazy because some people, too, also just change too, you know? Like, I think Gigi came out and then she came out, you know, as true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's transition and then.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And now she's. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Lesbian, then pan. I think so. I think it changes a lot too, actually.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do know a lot of girls who transition and then are still lesbian, actually. I know, like, I have, like, two friends that, like, transition, but then are lesbian. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. So it does change. Wayne Brady just came out as Pansexual. Oh, really? No, he had such a good interview. Oh, T.S. madison, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, really?

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, he was on her podcast and he was talking about it and he like daughter helped him discover that he was panned because he thought he was bi. Then he was talking about bi erasure, which is like a big thing happening right now where like, it feels like bisexual is like not a thing and it's like being erased and stuff like that. So he is talking about that on there, but then he's explaining pan. And she asked such a good question because I was Pam, mean to you. I love this question. I love that you asked like, what it means to me because it means different things to different people. But he's just like open to like, just every everything, like trans men, trans women, cis, like all this stuff like that. So I was really, it was really interesting. I was like. I didn't know that about him, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I didn't know that either. Love.

[Moses Hackman]

I love Wayne Brady. I did meet him in the dubious David Dobrik days, but he was so nice. He was, he was at the, the Jonah's house. I don't know, he was like singing songs, whatever, but he was so nice and I just love that about him. I didn't know. I love. I love pansexual. I think that's. I think that's me. I think if you're attracted to Labubus, that's like a furry, I guess or something. Huh?

[Trisha Paytas]

It must be. Yeah. I've seen a lot of Labubu mascots out there. Like all these malls have like labuba mascots now, which are a little. No, I think I like the boo boos because they're small and got big heads and little bodies. But seeing it like a human sized one was a little like, shocking.

[Moses Hackman]

Moses makes this argument with everything. Like the coco melons that you can rent for parties. They're really tall and he's like, well, coco melon supposed to be a little baby. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, the proportions make a big difference.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And you see it every Easter. Like they'll bring a grown man in a bunny suit and. And literally Malibu ran away. She's like, what is that?

[Moses Hackman]

Well, we had a big stitch at our party. She like, we had a, like, we had a pretty tall stitch.

[Oscar]

Not too tall.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like it like, you know, universal. They got the minions. But like the, the proportions are still like there because it's just like a big body with tiny little legs. So.

[Moses Hackman]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

They need to take a note. I want to see the labuba Mascot. That'd be kind of cool. We were watching. We were watching yesterday. There was, like, a furry sex scene. I've never seen that before. What was that?

[Oscar]

Overcompensating.

[Trisha Paytas]

Overcompensating your next big gig.

[Moses Hackman]

Apparently, I'm obsessed. And I'm even more obsessed because me and Benny, we just DM all day. And I'm like, he said he was going to come to my Chicago shows. I was trying to get to your Chicago show. I was like, oh, my God. Like, gagged. I was so. I think, like, when you get. Talk to someone, too, because we started watching the show because of you, and then we started watching. I'm like, oh, it's kind of good. And I'm like, let me just DM him. Be like, do you want to come on podcast? He's like, would love. And I was like, oh, my God. Okay. So then now all of a sudden, I'm getting attention, and I was like, oh, my God. Okay. So then we're watching it, and I'm just kidding. So I was already obsessed with it because it's just, like, story of my life, too. I feel like I was just like, oh, my God, like, be in love with, like, the gay guy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Yes. You are her.

[Moses Hackman]

I know. Literally.

[Trisha Paytas]

God, you, Carmen, you're so carnal.

[Moses Hackman]

I feel it so much. I, like, was crying because we're, like, savoring the episodes. I, like, cried after, like, the fifth one. I was like, oh, my God. Wait, that's so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And if you guys don't know, overcompensating. Benny is, like, kind of based on his own life, and he's in college, and he is, like, confused about his sexuality, and he's like, has this, like, fake relationship with the girl because he wants to be straight, but he isn't telling her that he's gay. So she's, like, believing that they're a thing.

[Moses Hackman]

And it's frustrating, but, like, it's bad for. It's awful for both because it's like, you don't know. And, like, if someone tells you they're not, and then it's like, oh, then they're gay, but they don't tell you. Then you're like, it's me. And it's always the hot ones. Like, that. I. I dated a Benny. You know what I mean? I dated a Benny, and I was, like, so in love, and I was just like, oh, my God, I'm so in love. And it was just like. But yeah, when I look at that, like, the excuses, like, not have sex. I was like, oh, my God. Wait, this happened to me like multiple times. That was like, so triggering. I was like, I definitely try to like, yeah, sex. And then they're like, let's just watch the Britney Spears Honest Hotel tour dvd. And I was like, okay. And then you think you're even more in love because you think you have that in common. You're like, wow, we have so much in common. And it's good. We haven't finished it yet. We're only like. We're maybe six episodes through, so we're almost.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, take it slow.

[Moses Hackman]

That's what. That's what we're doing. We're saving because we went to hacks yesterday. We're trying to like, savor because it's like only what, 10 episodes or something?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

So is this supposed to take place in the early 2000s or 2000s?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so. Because the music and everything seems very like Y2K.

[Moses Hackman]

All the titles are like Lucky Black Parade, Boom, Clap. Charlie XCX is in it though. And I was like, has she been around? And we googled it. She's been around since like 2012.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I was listening to her in college. Oh, I didn't know.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, so she just kind of blew up like this past year, a couple years.

[Trisha Paytas]

She said, like random hits. Can you remember Fancy with Iggy Azalea? That was with.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, that was Charlie xx.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So she's had like hits here and there. But yeah, Brad, I mean, that has been like the big like mainstream.

[Moses Hackman]

That's. We were just talking about that, like how it's so crazy, like Chapel Ruin too. It's like they've been around for like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Even like Sabrina, right? Oh my God.

[Moses Hackman]

We were talking about that on tour too. And literally everyone's like, no, this is her first album. Like, I think she's like been around for like a really long time. I love that. I love when people pop off like a decade later out of the Kia.

[Trisha Paytas]

Asylum, as they say.

[Moses Hackman]

I love that term.

[Trisha Paytas]

Freak out.

[Moses Hackman]

Where did we go over that? Was that Patreon?

[Trisha Paytas]

Patreon, yes, go to our Patreon.

[Moses Hackman]

We brought you a Patreon shout out.

[Trisha Paytas]

We always do.

[Moses Hackman]

That's your cue. Would I throw to you?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, now it's your cue. Yeah, it's your cue.

[Moses Hackman]

Cuz I. I have too many things in my head today.

[Oscar]

We do have new merch, so it's.

[Moses Hackman]

A bit adjust, but patreon.com just. Trish. We did our ranking our enemies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hackman]

I did post about it yesterday. Because I was like, oh, that was a good one. The thumbnail was good. Sometimes I go to post. I'm like, I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, I know what I'm making. The thumbnail too. Yes. I'm like, this is one that she's gonna let slide.

[Moses Hackman]

Because I was gonna, like, do a little scroll. And I was like, wait, they all look the same. I know you're busy. But I was like, I love that thumbnail. So I was like, let me post it. So I did post that. I do actually truly forget because, like, it doesn't go to my email anymore. So I forget. But anyways, go to our patreon. We have to do at the beginning. But like I said, we had much this time, so it's fine.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was a key over there. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Yes. It was really fun. And we did talk about the Kia Asylum.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

And it's Shout Out. Shout out. Kia.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. The rapper.

[Moses Hackman]

The rapper who it's this meme is named after.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. The rapper who heard song My Neck, My Back, My and My Crap.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. It's a pretty popular song.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

That's why I was like, kind of weird that they. We love it, though. And I don't want. I want to be in the Key Asylum, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

Honestly, I think it's kind of iconic.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Asylum, like, it's kind of camp to me.

[Moses Hackman]

Photoshop me in there somewhere. I want to see me in the Kia Asylum. I love now. I love overcoming. You got me hooked on it. Because that time McLaughlin was in it, which she's not into that much. She's only in like two episodes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

To get me hooked on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

A lot of good guest stars of Megan Fox as you get to her. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Mom was like, is that really her? I was like, I think so. Because they said they had a cameo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Big cameos in there.

[Moses Hackman]

A lot of Tick Tockers. Because Caleb was the furry. That's how we got on the episode.

[Trisha Paytas]

I forgot about that. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

I was like, love him. And then this other girl I follow, I can't remember her name, but she also. She's like the Twilight parodies on Tick Tock. She was also in it and we talked about that last time, but I was like, oh, look at all these tiktokers. I love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

You in season two, hopefully someone said they want you to be the campus police or something. Like, I could see that.

[Moses Hackman]

I would love.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right.

[Moses Hackman]

Because he's only a freshman, so he's got some time. Yeah, I know. I watch shows that I'm like, Oh, I could see if I could fit in there. I don't know if I'd fit it in this show. I think it's very young and hip and definitely not me. But isn't his mom played, like, by, like, Connie? Yeah. Who's on, like, White Lotus. So I think they have. They have a pretty stacked cast, but, you know, I'm always available, but who knows? My best friend of 20 years hasn't even put me in his movie. So we'll see. We'll see how it goes. But I do like it. I love it. It's on Amazon, of all things. Like, so random. Who knew Amazon had good shows?

[Trisha Paytas]

What else is on there?

[Moses Hackman]

What do you always tell me with Walton Goggins?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Fallout. Yeah, Fallout's on there. What else is on Prime? I kind of forgot Mr.

[Oscar]

Beast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Beast Games. Yeah. On our enemies list. Find out where he ranks on patreon.com dusttrish oh, yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Our number one tiers are public enemies. Those were. Those were pretty. Those are pretty easy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Then we created a category for a person all on their own. When it got to the end of it, we're like, well, we have no idea where this person. That was a pretty fun game.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it was fun.

[Moses Hackman]

And make sure you subscribe because we have lots coming up, including apology videos and. And more. That was a fun day. We had a whole day dedicated Patreon. That was a good time. I like that. We used to do those. That way I have all the energy, the focus on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we're locked in.

[Moses Hackman]

We've gotta do more of those. It's a good time. We're upset with that show. We watched Hacks and we're still on Righteous Gemstones. Those are our Righteous Gemstones. Might be my favorite show now. Thank you so much to the sponsor of today's episode. And that is ro Curious about Ozempic or Regovi but not sure if your insurance covers it. That's where RO comes in. Because, let's be real, no one likes calling their insurance provider to see if their medication is covered. Especially not for GLP1s like Ozempic or Regovi. Rose Insurance Checker lets you know if you're covered for GLP1s for free. Ro can help you understand if GLP1s like Ozempic and Regovia are right for you and your goals. But that's just the beginning. If you're eligible for GLP1s and want to see if you're covered, all you have to do is submit your insurance Card and RO will take care of the rest. No paperwork, no negotiating, and no waiting on hold. Rose Free Insurance Checker will send you a comprehensive report of your coverage details so you can make a decision that's right for your goals and your budget. Plus, RO members have support throughout the process. You'll have access to your provider on demand. For any questions, join the over 350,000 people who have trusted RO check their coverage for free. RO's got you covered because all of it sounds complicated. Where do I get it? How do I get it? How much? What do I do? RO is taking out all the guesswork for you, so why not try it? We love you, Ro, and thank you so much for sponsoring. Go to Ro Trish for your free insurance check. That's Ro Co Trish to see if your insurance covers GLP1s for free. Go to Ro Co Safety for a black box warning and full safety information about GLP1 medications. Thank you, Ro, for sponsoring today's episode.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really? Is it all the penises in there?

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, it is all the penises. And I did get confirmation that it is a penis double for Walton Goggins.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, a double?

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. A double? Yeah. They have someone else stand in for him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Whoa.

[Moses Hackman]

And they are not allowed to cast based on what the penis looks like. You're not. You can't even see the penis when you're casting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, that makes sense. Oh, wait for the double.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. Like, they don't know if it's gonna be big or small.

[Oscar]

Oh, but isn't that part of, like, the directions or the script?

[Moses Hackman]

Like, no, I guess they're, like, not allowed. Like, Danny McBride, who created the show, who plays, like, the main gemstone brother, like, he can't see it. Walton Goggins doesn't have a say.

[Oscar]

Right. But I'm saying the production has to say, like, they want him to be.

[Moses Hackman]

I don't think so. I don't think you can ask to see your penis.

[Trisha Paytas]

Discriminate discrimination.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.

[Oscar]

But when they cast, don't they go through headshots?

[Moses Hackman]

Headshots.

[Trisha Paytas]

But not.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, Isn't that crazy? They should, though. I'm sorry. I do think you should have to show your boobs. Like, if you have to show your boobs, you should see what the boobs look like. I said, forget them. To the Greek. They had me show my boobs because they were like, well, we want to see them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hackman]

So I don't.

[Oscar]

Nobody have. Because, let's say, a Lot of women have body doubles, right? So they would choose somebody that looks.

[Moses Hackman]

Similar to the actress body doubles, but not like a. A boob or penis double.

[Oscar]

Because you can't have somebody that's like, flat and suddenly shows up.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, you can see that through a.

[Trisha Paytas]

Photo if they have big or little body type. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

No one knows Walton Goggin's penis from the double's penis. It could be anything. It could be crooked, it can be whatever.

[Oscar]

Right, that. But I'm saying the production must see the options.

[Moses Hackman]

No, he said no. By the way, he didn't tell me this. This was on Stephen Colbert. It wasn't like a personal conversation inside T. I'm like, by the way, Found out he talked about this. I think that's Stephen Colbert or something like that. But. But he does follow me. He did check the DMS.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's major.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, he follows me. Check the DMs, left me on scene. Damn. It worked, though. You were right. I did check. I say, check your dms. He's like, I didn't get anything. So I'm like, I sent it again. It was seen. It was just me asking him to own podcast. Like, what the. Oh, I do not have time for this. But anyways, it was very exciting, all of that. And yeah, I guess they. Guess they have penis doubles for that show. I guess Danny McBride's known for just having male. God, who else? Oh, overcompensating handmail kind. Male penises are everywhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Overcompensating has a lot of. A lot of penis.

[Moses Hackman]

That's so. You don't think they. Yeah. You don't think they can see any of it before. That's so weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. I guess. I mean, it does feel like it would be discriminatory. I'm sure if they do the prosthetics, they pick one out that's like, this is what I want it to look like. Right. I would think.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. But this one, I think what Walton was explaining was that it was like, someone's actual penis.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow, what a job.

[Moses Hackman]

What a job it would be.

[Oscar]

Well, I mean, there's a lot of people in the. Because in the art world, you get nude models to paint and sculpt and all that. There's people that. That's all they do.

[Moses Hackman]

I'm just shocked actors care that about showing their penis. I'm surprised he does. Like, he wouldn't just do it, like, because. You know what I mean? If you can't pick who's your body double, show yours. Do you know what I mean? Especially as actors are just acting. You know, they always say that with sex, with kissing. It's just acting. You know what I mean? So it's like just. It's part of your instrument, your tool. You know what I mean? Yeah, I just. I don't know. It's always. It's so funny. That's so weird. Anyways, if anyone wants to cast me, I'll just show everything. You don't have to cast. Yeah. FUPA double for me, you know, I would just show it all. I. Yeah. Overcomes any hand penises too, I guess. It's just so jarring because, like, they never used to show penises back in the day. So now I'm always just like, oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is shocking. Yeah. I'm like, whoa.

[Moses Hackman]

Right? Even White Lotus. That, like, little bit. You're just like, oh, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like Benny just goes full. I feel like that's his real butt. I wonder if he has a butt double. I don't think so. I think he's proud of what he's working with.

[Moses Hackman]

Did you see his butt in this one? You don't see him peen?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so. I think so. It's a lot of. It's a lot of butt, though. Like, he's naked quite a bit.

[Moses Hackman]

He's got a good body.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

He's always, like, shirtless. Yeah. We just got to the park, I guess. Spoiler alert. I don't know if it's a spoiler. We have to. The part where the guy is straight, his friend.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's not clear. It's like.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, I was like, that's the one where I cried because then he's left heartbroken. That other head goes with his girlfriend. I was just like, this is so sad. There's no way. There's no way he's straight.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. Wait, I truly. I don't know. It's like a whole.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's the mystery of the show. That's why I gotta wait to season two, I guess.

[Moses Hackman]

I guess you relate to that. Didn't you have a friend that was, like, straight, but also, like, very much flirty with you?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. My co worker at Target.

[Moses Hackman]

You would explain these stories and you're like. And I'm like, I definitely think he. That is weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. My co worker, he would. He was so flirty. He would just show up to my house sometimes and, like, hang out. He's very touchy. Went on trips together. But he was straight or is straight. I don't know. Maybe I don't know. He said he was straight. Not even, like, curious.

[Moses Hackman]

Wow. So why are you trying to get to my house and wanting to just, like, watch TV to get close together? It is crazy. I guess that's why the show's so good. It's relatable to so many people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. Well, hopefully he gets a season two. He's pretty good. I like him. I like the other guy, too, on the show. The one that was on White Lotus. I like him, too. TK or straight? Because it doesn't matter. Can you ask that? You probably can't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, Adam DeMarco.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I think he's straight because he did. He's played gay in another show, and he was very gay. And everyone was gagged by how he. He played it very well. Everyone thought he did a good job playing gay.

[Moses Hackman]

He gives me gay vibes.

[Trisha Paytas]

For sure.

[Moses Hackman]

I thought he was. But I. A gay plays a straight.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what I mean?

[Moses Hackman]

Like, it's. It's giving, bro. I love it. Yeah. Very handsome. Just very handsome. Gay men are so hot. Bonito is beautiful. What is that name? Bonito? I've never heard that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I love it.

[Moses Hackman]

Is he Latinx?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so. I think he.

[Oscar]

Because I have a friend, Bonito, but he's not Benito.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh. Like, I love it.

[Oscar]

I think of Spanish almost.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, that's what I think, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Bonito Skinner, I'm pretty sure, because I remember I looked it up because I was like, his parents in the show are white. And I was like, is he white?

[Moses Hackman]

But I looked up and he's like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's Latino, I'm pretty sure. Did you see the. And this is, like, probably the straightest news ever, but Sydney Sweeney selling soap. A bar of soap that has her bath water in it.

[Moses Hackman]

You buying it?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I am very curious about it. Like, can you really sell a bar of soap with, like, droplets of used bath water? But in the, like, you know, usually I was looking for, like, the fine print of it being, like, not. No, actual Cindy's money bath water was using the Soap. But they. Dr. Squatch is saying that it is for real. Her bath water. Drops of her bath water are put in the soap.

[Moses Hackman]

So she, like, was in a bath. And then they just, like, bottled that water and made it soap, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

So like, just put drops of it, I guess. And it's limited. There's only 5,000 bars of soap. So it really must be, like, a few drops in there. I don't know how much is it it's normal price. I think it's like $9. So not even. Yeah, it's not even like a limited edition. Expensive price.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

I guess girls have been doing that for a while. I feel like they've been selling like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like vials of bath water before.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, I mean it's probably a pretty easy gig. You just lay in some bath water. Although didn't Jacob Elordi do that too?

[Trisha Paytas]

It. There was a candle. What was it? It was a candle after Saltburn. But it was like a random. Etsy shop just said it smelled like Jacob Elordi's bathwater. It wasn't like an official Jacob Elordi partnership.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, she's kind of coming for his nachos. Because it wasn't in a bath.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. And he jizzed in the bath, right?

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, right, yeah. Barry Keoghan looked it up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, yes, yes. So this is more. I guess she just took a bath. But the hygienics. Is that a word? The hygiene of it? Like, like can you put use bath water and soap?

[Oscar]

They probably. Whatever was in the bat, you know, they probably added stuff to it. But then they just. They dry all the water. They end up with some kind of a powder and that has nothing to it. And then they put that in the soap, you know, so there's no bacteria. Nothing is alive in that point.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, and I'm sure maybe. I would think maybe she had like a little swimsuit on or something right in the bath. Because I think it was a promotional. Like I think she. Because the photo that they're using to advertise it, I'm sure for a photo shoot that's just not going to be like naked.

[Moses Hackman]

Naked also. Like that would be unsanitary. Like vaginal secretions coming out. Just a little discharge in the soap.

[Trisha Paytas]

Dead.

[Moses Hackman]

That'd be crazy. I wonder if that affects you. If there is discharge in there. If it affects your eyes. I think about that. I still don't like baths. Sometimes baths make you feel like you're bathing your own filth.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I don't really live for a bath either.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. Unless you're doing it just to relax. Just like, like feel your body relax. But like cleanliness. I don't know.

[Oscar]

Yeah, you kind of shower yourself after the bath.

[Moses Hackman]

Right. But not everybody doesn't. Some people just take a bath to bathe themselves. That's it. It's propaganda. I'm not buying into baths make you clean.

[Trisha Paytas]

She said you kept asking about my bath water after the Dr. Squatch ad. So we kept it. Introducing Sydney's Bathwater Bliss, A very real, very limited edition soap made with my actual bath water. Available on [e-mail].

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, we should get some. Or it's gonna be. It's probably sold out quick, huh?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Only 5, 000 bars, so it is. Supplies are limited.

[Moses Hackman]

And who do you think is gonna be buying it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Straight men, for sure.

[Moses Hackman]

You think?

[Trisha Paytas]

I honestly think so. And then maybe a couple people like gays like us, who are like, oh, I'm work diva. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, yeah. Buy it. I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Honestly, people were, like, very divided over it. Like, some people are. We're, like, mad at her for catering to, like, the male gaze. So hard. But G, G, A, Z, E. And then the other side was like, well, she's, like, very in on the joke, and she's very, like, in control of her image. So it's like, why not make a dollar off of, like, horny guys?

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. And it gets her name out there.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I'm kind of on that. That side. Honestly, like, at first I was like, huh? But then I'm like, honestly, she knows how to get the money.

[Oscar]

It's not even. It's not even about money. It's a PR stunt because 5,000 units for 10 bucks. It's $50,000. That's not.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but I think Dr. Squatch paid her, like, a million because she's, like, the spokesperson of the whole brand to.

[Moses Hackman]

Get more people to Dr. Squatch.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, right.

[Oscar]

It's more of a commercial. Let's say it's more of a PR stunt than her, actually. Like, the. The Bar of Soap is not really that.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, yeah. I don't think she's doing it for 50,000. But. But she is interesting. I. I like her because she's interesting because she's like, the face of, like, mew Mew. But then also, like, does this. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of like that. I mean, people are really coming for her. But I think it's. I kind of like that she's very much like. She's like, well, I've already been nude in euphoria, and guys are creepy about that, so I might as well make as much off of these, like, you know, creepy guys. But then she also like her film roles that she picks. Like, she picks very, like, smart roles. Like, she's playing, like, a female boxer in her new movie, and she's very, like, not glam in it, you know, so she does, like, the commercial Stuff and she does the mainstream stuff, but she's also doing, like, cool, like, artistic stuff, too.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. She gives, like, early Megan Fox where, like, girls and guys love her and.

[Trisha Paytas]

She'S lucky enough to at least, like, Megan Fox didn't have, like, the feminist movement, so, like, girls hated her. So at least Sydney has, like, the.

[Moses Hackman]

Girls coming behind her, like, let her do what she wants, you know, like, if you want to sell bath water to men, let her do that. Whereas, like, yeah, Megan Fox. Fox would done that. It's like, ill. What a scam.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Megan Fox did this in, like, 2008 or whenever. Like, the Transformers height was like, people would have been so terrible to her, so.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, it sounds like Cindy Sweeney is getting a little bit of that, but not as much.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not as much.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And the big pro argument was, at least guys are going to be using soap now, which honestly. True. Like, at least there's 5,000. At least around 5,000 guys who'll be a little bit cleaner because.

[Moses Hackman]

Because guys forget to wash the buns.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wash that hole, you guys.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, the hole is nasty. Guys, I think they forget to wash that part of them. Like, it's so gross. I was like, that's the big one. You should. It's just awful, huh? Well, that's just to rinse. I hope you clean after.

[Oscar]

I'm just saying.

[Moses Hackman]

Okay.

[Oscar]

Highly recommend.

[Trisha Paytas]

You should be a bidet spokesperson.

[Oscar]

I would. It will change the world.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, my God. He can eat us. You use it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've only used it at Joey Graceffa's house because he has a bidet at every toilet and it is cool. There's a lot of buttons on the remote, though, which are kind of confusing.

[Moses Hackman]

I know at the hotels are like that, too. It's like heaters and this and that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Fans and how do you turn the water off? And I'm like, there's a lot to figure out.

[Moses Hackman]

And is it the same water that cleans his butt that cleans your butt?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't.

[Oscar]

It's just from the faucet.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

You just clean fresh water.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's not like I think it has.

[Moses Hackman]

To be, but okay. I don't know. Someone was literally like. I was like, I do a request hour on my show. I'm like, who? What songs do you want? Like, Joey Graceffa. I was like, stop it. You do not want joke. That's what I asked them, and that was the tea. They're like, ah. They were just being. They didn't even know. I'm like, give me one. Joey Graceffa song? No, nothing. So then I say, story my life.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm dead. Okay. There you go. That's a joker stuff. A song.

[Moses Hackman]

It counts, kind of. I was so dead, though. I was like, oh, my God, I love it, Joey. Just, well, you know. Gotta go viral. Everyone's going viral. We are on the plane and we had a delay, and I was literally thinking of that girl. Did you see there's a girl. Yes, that went viral. Singing Moana on the plane.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, wait, that little girl. That little. Yeah, little girl.

[Moses Hackman]

I think it was Delta. And I was on the Delta flight that didn't go back. It was like, that also kick you off the plane if you're sick, I guess. Which I guess makes sense, but I've seen it all over my ex feed, and that's decisive divisive.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Divisive or decisive divisive?

[Oscar]

Divisive. I haven't seen anyone in her on her side.

[Moses Hackman]

E.J. dixon Dickinson, the one who did my Rolling Stone article. She's getting us all Hot Topics. She had the lips one. She's honest. She was defending because she's like, y' all are like, this is like a little girl. And y' all are just, like, posting her online. Like, yes. It's like, you could think it's annoying, but, like, filming her and, like, just being like, oh, my God, this is like hell. Like, get me off this. This flight. Like, it was. That's what I thought. I thought it was pretty divided. Is because it was like, some people were like, this is awful. You shouldn't be making fun of a kid like this. And then. Yeah, the majority of the Internet was like, this needs to be stopped. Did you see the clip?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Okay. Then I also heard. I guess I only heard one person talk about this, that it was like, it went on for 45 minutes, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I didn't know.

[Moses Hackman]

But it wasn't only two minutes. Someone said, I think two minutes. I've only heard the Moana song. I haven't heard, like, a different song.

[Oscar]

I mean, just that one song was long.

[Moses Hackman]

And what side are you on then?

[Oscar]

Definitely not, like, don't do that.

[Moses Hackman]

Don't do what? What part? What's. What side is that?

[Oscar]

Don't bring kids to the speaker to start singing on an airplane to people.

[Moses Hackman]

That don't want people filming her and posting on the Internet and being. This is brutal.

[Oscar]

She went to do that to go viral. Like, that's what people want.

[Moses Hackman]

No, I feel like she definitely.

[Oscar]

That was the moment. That's what they wanted.

[Moses Hackman]

I felt bad for her. Because now she's, like, blasted everywhere. And it's like, I don't feel bad for her.

[Oscar]

First of, she sang.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I'm dead. I don't feel bad for her.

[Moses Hackman]

She's 12. She's getting roasted on the Internet.

[Oscar]

She sang really well. Like, I listened to her singing. I was like, wow, this is really good. She's singing really good. But in the setting of an airplane where you are a prisoner and you can't choose, because you can choose to stop. I don't know. Like, you can choose to do most things, but you can't choose to stop hearing. Like, you can't close your ears. And this is.

[Moses Hackman]

It's offensive, you know, her parents shouldn't have let her go up there. They should have been like, for sure.

[Oscar]

That's what I'm saying. The kids is fine. Like, she did nothing wrong.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, you just said you don't feel bad for her. Her parents could have stopped it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Screw.

[Oscar]

That's right.

[Moses Hackman]

Yes.

[Oscar]

Oh, no, not in that way. No. What I'm saying, like, I don't feel bad for her because she didn't do anything wrong. She didn't.

[Moses Hackman]

Making fun of her. What do you mean, don't feel bad for her?

[Oscar]

Most people accuse the parents. Like, I've.

[Moses Hackman]

No, you didn't. Most people are saying this is the worst thing they've ever heard. Like, this is so awful. Like, get her, like, off. Like. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they're coming for her, not her parents. There's no pictures of her parents anywhere. It's like, Rebecca Black. It's like all those things. It's like, oh, my gosh.

[Oscar]

Like, exactly. But with Rebecca Black. Not do that. She said herself she would have done it again Friday and all that. So I think, anyway, the parents. I mean, I would blame the parents. This is. It's horrific what happened there in that airplane.

[Moses Hackman]

Wow. I don't think it was that bad. I've only went out for two minutes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It was just how far I'll go. It was just the Moana song. There was no encore or anything. Or anything.

[Moses Hackman]

Okay. And was it in Orlando?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hackman]

So y' all are going to Disney? Yeah. She thought she was doing something good. Yeah. Everyone needs to calm down. First of all, you're in Orlando. Okay? That's your first problem. Okay. You can't top down there. And it's like, there's worse things down there than this little girl singing. So I was just like, what the hell? And so when I saw EJ tweet about I was like, she's right. Like, where are all these people? Because also, the difference between her and Rebecca Black, they obviously produced it, put it out. She filmed the video. This was like. Like some people filming her. And then like, be like, ah, the torture.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I agree. And I feel the same. Like, it is on the parents to be like, no, sweetie, don't go up there on the little intercom because people are already cranky. Like, the flight was delayed a total of four hours. You're gonna be mad. Like, obviously, people are at their worst at the airport. Like, you're in the worst mood. You know, like, no one likes especially delayed. Like, so the vibes are already bad. I mean, kudos to her, I guess. She was trying to bring the vi.

[Moses Hackman]

Trying something. Sorry.

[Oscar]

When you're on the airplane and you're watching a movie and then let's say there's the smallest announcement, but it cuts off your movie and sounds, and you get so annoyed for that one second. This is even worse, right? Just is like singing in your ears for two minutes.

[Moses Hackman]

Everyone can sacrifice two minutes of their.

[Oscar]

Time, but in those two minutes, you don't know when she'll stop. It's gonna be another.

[Moses Hackman]

The song is only two minutes. Well, it didn't happen.

[Oscar]

No, but that's what I'm saying. It's two minutes of.

[Trisha Paytas]

Of.

[Oscar]

Of unknowing. And that's what's scary. It's like, you don't know if she's gonna sing another song. How long is it gonna go?

[Moses Hackman]

So now people need to practice patience. The child.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I would say, like, I get being annoyed at her, like, in the moment, but I wouldn't, you know, post it and be like, this is my living hell. This is my worst nightmare. This flight's or been delayed four hours, and now this girl's singing Moana. I would be like, I. I would be like, yeah, this sucks. I would text like, my friend and be like, I can't this annoying little girl, you know? But I wouldn't take it and, like, expose it to millions of people.

[Moses Hackman]

That was me yesterday on a plane. I had an annoyance. I texted Moses it and that was it. That's where I left it. I was like, I don't know what to do about this. I guess I'm just, like, stuck. Like, it. Whatever. I can blast it for everyone to see. Like, that's crazy.

[Oscar]

I saw a different video. The kid was like, maybe 4 or 5 year old. We just like running up and down the aisle and people. Somebody was saying, like, this was a 10 hour flight. And nobody slept on this flight because of this one kid. And nobody even knew who the parents.

[Moses Hackman]

That's like a safety issue. That's like a whole other thing.

[Oscar]

All I'm saying is like, that's the environment. It's like parents need to go to have their kids under check in an environment like that.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, period on that. But this girl was just trying something and it didn't work out. And the flight attendants letter, like everyone's like letting her have this happen.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, honestly, I'm. Now that I talked it through, I'm like orc Diva. Because yeah, the vibes are decrepit on that plane. They're delayed four hours. She was excited to go to Disney World and she's like, let me spice this up real quick. It was like in flight entertainment. She's like, let me bring it.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, give me that microphone. I perform I love you, Jesus for everyone on here. That's actually everything. I wish they would let me. I would do it too. Good.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of similarly like, I think when adults are doing it, like, you know when adults are being embarrassing on planes, like fighting or doing something crazy, I'm like, okay, you can kind of shame them for that.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like when adults are doing it or I. I remember like when the Eras tour is happening, there was. It was like a flight full of like Taylor Swift fans and they were like singing song and there was like a couple obviously regular people. And that is how like of course being like 50 swifties on a plane, you're tracking them, saying like Taylor. That is how even I like Taylor. And I would be like, this is hell.

[Moses Hackman]

No, no, she's like 20 doing this like, yeah, roast her. Like, get off. What are you doing? But 12 little girls. Yeah. Oh my God, that would be awful.

[Oscar]

But I think, I think it, I think in her perspective, she probably the kids in her age, they're like, you went viral. You went like. I don't think it's negative.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like they're making fun of her.

[Moses Hackman]

I think there's not one person that's like, this is amazing.

[Oscar]

This is the adults on Twitter. But I'm talking about no at school.

[Moses Hackman]

You think it's better? No, they're. They're going to be even meaner to.

[Oscar]

But that's how Friday was too. But at the same time.

[Moses Hackman]

So she has to wait 20 years to get successful.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Then she don't think till she gets her recognition.

[Oscar]

I mean, it's better than nothing.

[Moses Hackman]

Rebecca Black got harassed too. Your arguments. You are not winning this case.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm dead in 20 years. She'll have her moment.

[Moses Hackman]

She could be a. Who's a singer? I don't know who is popular. Ariana Grande could be. You never know.

[Oscar]

The opening for Benson.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe don't buy. Or it's like the Moana live action premiere or something. I was like, yeah, they should let.

[Moses Hackman]

Her sing that in the credits. You know, like when Demi Lovato does let it go. Like, she should be that girl. They might. What? Is that happening next year?

[Trisha Paytas]

Next year? Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Done and done. Get her on there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

It's gonna be all thanks to the people that filmed and posted her.

[Moses Hackman]

I hope so, for her sake.

[Oscar]

It might have been rewind.

[Moses Hackman]

I don't feel sorry for her. I was like that.

[Oscar]

But that's what I meant. That's what I meant that I think in her world, it's a positive occurrence. And maybe it was her parents that posted it and said so.

[Moses Hackman]

I don't think.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it was an angry passenger bandling.

[Moses Hackman]

But now the sound is so viral. People on mine, too, like, people on my flight, they were like, doing it, being like, oh, the. The. This flight. But they're using the sound as it. And everyone's like, is everyone on this flight? But it just makes it look like that because you use the sound and you're just, like, rolling your eyes. And I was like, now it's like a thing, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, 20 years.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, it's where it's going to be.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You know, hopefully she can market herself and pivot.

[Moses Hackman]

Pivot.

[Trisha Paytas]

She gets booked on flight.

[Moses Hackman]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

It could be a thing.

[Moses Hackman]

True.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe Moses will be proven right. Like, maybe she'll make it a whole thing. And the plane singing girl, you know.

[Moses Hackman]

That is so true. Like, who's the other girl? Oh, the one that, like, saw someone on a plane. Remember? Right there. What? Did they ever find the real person? Because there was, like, a fake one that came forward.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I thought she did do, like, an interview, like, months after.

[Oscar]

At some point she came out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Yeah, but still, I mean, the conspiracy around this is so big that people say it's not really her, but still, nobody know what she saw.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't even think she knows.

[Oscar]

Nobody knows.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. She's, like, hallucinating or something like that. It's happened.

[Oscar]

People are saying stuff.

[Moses Hackman]

Okay. I like your socks. I just realized they're. Are they Pokemon?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. These are the only socks I had left.

[Moses Hackman]

I like it. So cute. I didn't know you were into Pokemon.

[Oscar]

Like, that the original Abubu?

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. Actually kind of Japanese.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Gotta make it to Japan soon. Everyone's in Japan. My makeup artist is in Japan right now, and it looks so fun. I'm like, I want to be there. She's like, she's living her best life. I was like, ah, they have, like, udon carbonara. I was like, looks so good. I just want to eat those. See the labubus and the hello, kitties. All of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think labubus are. I mean, they are in Japan, but most, they originate in China. That's where they have the Labubu theme park.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, I want to go there too. Hong Kong?

[Oscar]

No, I think maybe Singapore.

[Moses Hackman]

No way. Singapore hacks over there.

[Oscar]

It was Hong Kong. I think it was Singapore.

[Moses Hackman]

Did look beautiful, though. I never wanted to know until I saw it on Hacks yesterday.

[Trisha Paytas]

Beijing, actually. Right? Beijing.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, Beijing. That's what they had the Olympics one year.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's the goal is to get to the Beijing pop land. It's a theme park for Pop Mart.

[Moses Hackman]

You think this year you go?

[Trisha Paytas]

No. At some point, by the time I go, no one will care about. About Laboos.

[Moses Hackman]

I'm not sure. I think they're gonna be around for a couple years, I think so.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know who came out as Labubu phobic? Haley Bieber. Oh, no, girl, I. I came to the realization this was my breaking point with Hailey Bieber.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, no.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. I think we're just ships in the night. Like, I think in my head, I, like, I want to be like her, gay. Like, you know her, the one that supports her and stuff. I just think we're like oil and water. Like, she was anti Swifty for a little bit. Now she's anti the boo Boo.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. You're like, girl, I just think we're too different. I'm anti so many things too. You know what I mean? I feel like that was me for a while. And then at some point, you just look like. You look crusty. Like, why are you hating on everything? You know?

[Trisha Paytas]

She posted Labubu. I guess someone might have given her one and, like, knitted a. Like a road, like, sweater on the Labubu. And she's like, I hate these things, but this one's okay, I guess. And I'm like, trying so hard to be a Hailey Bieber supporter.

[Moses Hackman]

Everyone is. We're all rooting for you, but. But, damn, one thing after another. It's just like, girl, what the hot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Take after a hot take.

[Moses Hackman]

I know. Especially when everyone loves something and they're so Harmless. How are you going to be like, I hate these things? No, you like, they're ugly, they're scary, they creep me out. But to be like, hate these things is crazy. And I wrote a little outfit on for you, girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Labophobia. It's real. It's getting real.

[Moses Hackman]

They should be included in Pride.

[Trisha Paytas]

They were.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, right on the pop. Like on the flank or something, I guess. Their little teeth are rainbow, which is of kind.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kind of cute. I like that. Yeah, that one has the rainbow teeth. Of course, the one we want is 400, though. That's like the gag, but I know.

[Moses Hackman]

I can't. I can't.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, that's too much.

[Moses Hackman]

Justify that. Oh, you just put a water droplet sticker on. Wow. You really liked it. You made the laptop. It only has two stickers and now there's a water droplet on there. Wow. Over the apple you said, I am done.

[Oscar]

It's perfect. It fits perfectly. So, yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, my gosh. Beautiful. I love it. Your laptop is looking a beautiful. So it did not get sold for a billion dollars. Road. It said it was only sold for 300 million.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So, yes, there was the big headline that was. Road was sold to elf Cosmetics for 1 billion. And that was like the press release. But if you actually looked at like what the press release detailed, it described the deal as being comprised of 800 million of consideration payable at closing in combination of cash and stock. So the. It's a combination of things. Not like Haley Bieber got a billion dollars in cash, you know, so really it was a deal of 800 million and not like fully a billion. And then there was like a potential to get the 200 million bonus based on like how outperforms and stuff.

[Moses Hackman]

So, yeah, she's not a billionaire.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. So like the actual cash that was involved was like around 600 million. And then that is like split between a lot of people, obviously, like whoever's an investor and stuff. So she still made a lot of money, but she didn't make a billion herself.

[Moses Hackman]

People love to hate. They were like, oh, she did not make a billion. It was a crazy headline. Maybe they shouldn't put that headline then. Yeah, set her up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because then people are gonna be like.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, it's not a million.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then they're like, oh, well, she's splitting it with all these other people.

[Moses Hackman]

So funny. People are so funny. I get it.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's still a lot of money. And it's a new line. Right? So to have like a new line with like, what, like Two, like, two products. It doesn't have that many products.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, my God, you're right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sold for that much is crazy because everyone has a cosmetics line and not all of them are selling for that much, so.

[Moses Hackman]

Except Miley Cyrus.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. She's anti. She's not doing a cosmetic.

[Moses Hackman]

She said, I'm not passionate about it, so work.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I love that for her. She's honest.

[Moses Hackman]

I love it. I like Miley. I think we need my Miley era.

[Trisha Paytas]

Good. I love Miley too.

[Moses Hackman]

She seems she's got it figured out. She was a child star, but still kind of figured it out. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

She seems stable, independent, minds her business, truly.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. You never hear anything problematic about her friends with her dad again. She said she now sees her parents as people. She tries not. She tries to look at them as people and not as her parents. And she gives them benefit of the doubt. So she is friends with Billy Ray again.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's good. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Guess now that he's dating Elizabeth Hurley.

[Trisha Paytas]

Mama Kuda.

[Moses Hackman]

Better than that one. Oh, my God. That one girl he was dating that the extra from Hannah Montana who was like 20.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

[Moses Hackman]

She was like Moonbeam or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Moon be my screen. Oh, I love that. Awesome. Made the enemies tier list. So go to patreon.com and see where Benson boom ranked.

[Moses Hackman]

That's right. He was a difficult one. He was so difficult. I do think the more I think about it, he's like a. More of an industry plant. I feel like, I don't know, it doesn't seem natural. The Benson Boone movement.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I think Harry Styles break created a gap for that kind of artist.

[Moses Hackman]

You think Harry Styles came back? Benson boons out.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think out, but I think think Harry Styles will get more of the attention. If Harry Styles learned how to backflip, I fear for Benson.

[Moses Hackman]

He should start flipping.

[Trisha Paytas]

If he learns how to backflip, it's over.

[Moses Hackman]

It's over. I like Harry Styles. I'd have him on the podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I love Harry.

[Moses Hackman]

You do? Still?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, He's. He's been so low key.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's just like random photos of him that come out like he. Every now and then.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wearing like, little shorts. He's like in a running club in Japan and stuff. I don't know. He's like, really living. Living his life.

[Moses Hackman]

I saw one where he, like, took pictures of fans and DM them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. There was this cute couple. He's like, oh, take a photo of you And I'll send it to you. And he took a. Like, a film photograph and then he got it developed and then sent it to them.

[Moses Hackman]

What, did you do it via Instagram?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he, like, got their handle and then DM'd it to them.

[Moses Hackman]

Let me just take a picture of you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it. He was inspired.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. He seems humble. I like that. I feel like we don't have enough of those celebrities.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was at the randomly. He was there when the Pope got. Got elected. Whatever he got. Yeah, he just wanted to see the post everywhere. Yeah, he literally is everywhere, living his life, and I kind of love that.

[Moses Hackman]

I like that, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's been working since he was, like, 15.

[Moses Hackman]

So how does he. 30.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's my age. I think so he's 32.

[Moses Hackman]

Damn. People get old. Like, I just think of them as, like, kids, and it's, like, crazy how, like, Justin Bieber, all them, they're like, oh, they're kind of.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he's earned himself a little a break to do whatever he wants to do. So.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, he had a big tour, right? He was touring.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he had a big tour and then he had a residency in LA at the Kia Forum.

[Moses Hackman]

Really? How long?

[Trisha Paytas]

It was like, maybe a month or something. It was a lot of shows. He has the record for the most shows played at that venue.

[Moses Hackman]

That's what I want. I want to just be at a place for like, a month and just perform every night at the same place. Yeah, traveling is a lot. I love performing, but, oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Traveling is like, yeah, you and JLO can have the Vegas residency.

[Moses Hackman]

Maybe I'm ready. New Year's Eve, me and her competing. Where's she at? Do we know?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. She just announced it. Let me see where she's playing. I think she had one before. Now she's, I guess, back Coliseum at Caesar's Palace.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, damn. That's a big one. That's huge. Good for her. I could be at. Where could I be at Resorts World. They gave Katy Perry one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you could take that slot, I guess. Who's there now?

[Moses Hackman]

I don't know. Tana's always getting free rooms there. She's always tagging at Resorts World. I was like, you love that place. I never heard of it before her. And I thought, katy Perry, is it new?

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like it's kind of new.

[Moses Hackman]

Katy Perry had a residency there. That seemed like a long time ago.

[Trisha Paytas]

It wasn't that long. Maybe like a couple years ago.

[Moses Hackman]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

That's where Mr. Beast's convention was the Beast World thing. Yeah, it was at Resorts World. I was like, they seem a little shady, but I'll do a residency.

[Trisha Paytas]

2021, it opened, so.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really isn't that old. The Resorts World hotel.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, I wonder when she was there. God, I thought that was, like, 10 years ago.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it was really. It was pretty recent because it was after her last album, so I think it was like, 2022 is when Katie was there.

[Moses Hackman]

I would do a residency there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, why not?

[Moses Hackman]

Hit me up. I'll ask Tana for their information. So thank you for my show. She didn't ask for anyone, but I think the Resorts World people want to come. Like, yeah, come.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, good. So they see. They saw the experience. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

They're like, this. This is what we need. Me and J. Lo.

[Trisha Paytas]

You'll be very. Deborah Vance hacks with, like, the LA Vegas. She's just back and forth with Millie.

[Oscar]

I mean, she's been wishing for that before that show even came out.

[Moses Hackman]

That is true. When that came out, or at least when we started watching it, I was like, this is like, my dream is to live her life. Like she has the best life ever. Like, just telling jokes. I love. That's why I love this last episode of her and Singapore telling jokes. I was like, that sounds like a dream. It looked kind of like everything. I love. I love Vegas.

[Oscar]

We were. First time we were in Vegas, we were looking for houses there.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. When we saw the very first time. Oh, my God. We saw such a beautiful house. Oh, my God. And it's all, like, really affordable. Like, for a big house, you get, like, a million dollars. Like a mansion. I would love to live there by coastal. By coastal, by city, by whatever. I love it. I love, too, when you drive to Vegas and it's like, all desert, and then all of a sudden, like, Like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like a town of come out. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. Like, why is it just there in the desert like that?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's so random. I know. I like when those. You pass by the giant rocks that are, like, painted different colors. The painted rocks.

[Moses Hackman]

I never understood that when people, like, just go and take pictures, I'm like, what are they taking pictures of?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know.

[Moses Hackman]

Just the painted rocks.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have a photo with the painted rocks. Yes.

[Moses Hackman]

You pulled all the way over to stop and take a picture with that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it was in my era where I was only taking photo, like, Instagram photos next to pink things, because that was my, like, aesthetic for a minute. And there was a pink rock, so it was Me and the Rhodes bros. Well, one of the Rhodes, bro. One of them.

[Moses Hackman]

Who was that one?

[Trisha Paytas]

Aaron Rhodes.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, man, that lore. Is that Laura on Patreon? Where is that Laura?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it's Patreon. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

We've talked about him in depth somewhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Maybe like one of the early videos we did about you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Go find that Lord. That was also interesting. That's actually one of the craziest stories I've heard. Like a falling out between friends. I'm like, that one is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. The. The Cliff Notes is. We were like, besties. And then we got high one time. I guess he must have been higher than me. And then he just giggled.

[Moses Hackman]

Him.

[Trisha Paytas]

But he said, you're so ugly. And then he kind of fell asleep right after. And it stayed with me. It stayed with me.

[Moses Hackman]

Crazy. Did you talk to him after? Because that's, like, the actual craziest. I would never talk to him again. I would be like, what? That I would like. Well, I guess you contain yourself. I would have, like, slapped him or something. I'd be like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I. I think I was kind of just stunned and like.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, like what?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't even remember. I remember hearing it. I don't think so. I remember he must have been higher than me. And we made like a. I don't know what we're doing. Made a fort or something. I don't know. And, like, his apartment.

[Moses Hackman]

And he was underneath the fort.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And then he's. We're. He was just giggling. I think we're watching something. He just giggled. He said, you're so ugly.

[Moses Hackman]

That's crazy. I would have said something back. Like, you have a trouty mouth or something like that. You know something. I don't know. I hate when people say that. Like, what do you mean? Like, unless you're, like, the most perfect specimen in the world, which you're not. Like, what? What do you mean you're ugly. I hate that. That. That is the weirdest thing for anyone to say. Anything, even online, would be like, you're ugly. I was like, you're weird. Like, what do you mean? That's, like the weirdest thing people say about anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was weird because he meant it, so. He was saying it so sweetly and earnestly, which was awesome.

[Moses Hackman]

What does that mean? You can't do that sweetly and earnestly.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. It wasn't like a you're so fugly. It was like. It was like a cutesy, in a way. And I remember being like, so disarmed. I was like, wait, oh, that's not.

[Moses Hackman]

I guess if you said it nicely.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, no ill will towards him or anything. We've texted a little bit, but never text him again.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, my God. That's the craziest thing. I hate that story so much. I always. I get angry. I think about it from time to time just on my own, and I'm like, oh, God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it was part of my inciting incident that was like, oh, I'm gonna get Invisalign and lose weight. So I guess it was. It was. What do they call it? It was bullying works.

[Moses Hackman]

Fat shaming works. I don't know. Isn't that what Remy Joe someone said.

[Trisha Paytas]

That it was like, it was a. The time. Was it like the timeline event? It was.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, my God. Canon event.

[Trisha Paytas]

Canon event. Yes. Good job. Good job. It was definitely a canon event that needed to happen.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, my God. That makes me so sad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not bullying works. That's so.

[Moses Hackman]

Bowling works. That's the thing. Bat shaming works. Everyone's like, okay, it finally worked. Oh, my God. Speaking of, did you see Sports Illustrated? They had their annual catwalk they do every year where, like, influencers are walking. And Bethany Frankel walked, and she looked very, very good. I don't know how old she is, but she looked. Remy Joe Bader was there, which I love. I love me with some Remy Joe Bader. They made all the girls. I don't know if they made them. All the girls were barefoot, which I thought was interesting. So the walks were a little crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

But is it because they're wearing, like, swimsuits? Were they wearing swimsuits?

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, usually, like in pageants, you wear like, a little heel of some sort. But Bethany Frankel, too, she was walking it. They do these every year, I think Natalie one year from vlog. So it's always, like, random people, which, I mean, they're all, like, beautiful, of course, but, like, random people always watching, walking these. But Bethany Frankel was there, and she looked so good. Like, I was like, oh, my God. Because I just see her on Tick Tock and just see her, like, closed up, you know, she always has, like, fake face masks on, eating chicken salad and stuff. But she. Damn. Everyone's like, I mean, chicken salad after that, her body, her thighs, her butt, her stomach. Like, she looked. Her hair, she had, like this, like, light brown wig on. She just looked so fire. And I was like, you know what? Maybe I'm not scared to age. Maybe I look like Bethany Frankel one day. Although doesn't she have, like, a skinny drink, skinny margarita.

[Trisha Paytas]

Her brand is called Skinny Girl, so.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, well.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And she.

[Moses Hackman]

I mean, she lives up to it. Makes me want to drink some of that.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I remember she the. She had, like, one, like, bagel tik tok. She's like, this is what. How I eat my bagel. She's like, I forget. The context, I think was like, people say that you can't eat a bagel and be healthy. Let me show you. But then she scooped all the bread out of the bagel, so it was just.

[Moses Hackman]

Stop it.

[Trisha Paytas]

And she put, like, cottage cheese on. I was like, well, at this point, I don't want a damn bagel anymore. You know, I eat the bagel because of what, this little stuffing for the.

[Moses Hackman]

I actually only like the stuffing. I used to, like, just take out the stuffing of it. Not even the bagel, but, like, bread. I'd always, like, take out the. The. The stuffing part of it, because who wants that crust?

[Trisha Paytas]

That was her whole hack. She's like, I scoop it out, and then I put a little cottage, a little avocado. I'm like, okay, well, that's just.

[Moses Hackman]

She looks good, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

She does.

[Moses Hackman]

Maybe I'll do that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if I can live.

[Moses Hackman]

Like that, just scooping it out. It's also sad. Where did she go with it? She gave it to the birds or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Good question.

[Moses Hackman]

I mean, that's sad. She looked great, though. They never have guys walking it, though. They should have some guys walking Sports.

[Trisha Paytas]

Illustrated, I think at Only Girls, I think, because I think that the audience is straight men. So I don't know if they put, like, you know, guys in little, like, Speedos or thongs or something, if guys will be into it like that.

[Moses Hackman]

But they would. Maybe. You never know, I guess. Marco. Marco is the Runway that all the boys walk in. You know that one, the underwear.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

James Charles and Manu Mua did it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I love that you mentioned it had one. I remember, like. Like Manny's walk, specifically.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. Well, his ate more than James.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hackman]

I feel bad. I know I do. But James, you know, kind of a bad person, I guess. But his walk was crazy. I guess that's why I would never. I don't know. I'm gonna go back and forth. Would I do it?

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like you would.

[Moses Hackman]

I think it had to be a Victoria sequence. I don't think I'll do the Sports Illustrated one. I love it. I think everyone looks good. But people do. People are mean to people on that one. I don't know if I would. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like Sports Illustrated, the vibe is mostly straight men, so I feel like they're probably meaner. Victoria's Secret, I feel like, is like a lot of girls and gays watches.

[Moses Hackman]

Right, Right. Maybe I do. Is that still around? Victoria's Secret?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I just came back. It just came back last year, I think I took, you know, a hiatus after got a little problematic, but made a comeback.

[Moses Hackman]

I don't know if Runaways for me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Would you do it a Runway?

[Moses Hackman]

No, Never. Nothing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe like a drag race Runway. If I got good at drag.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, my God. Oh, and drag. You would do it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I don't know if I would.

[Moses Hackman]

Just watch, like, going down the Runway.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, when they do in the beginning.

[Moses Hackman]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

If I. I don't know why, I would be randomly a guest judge.

[Moses Hackman]

Maybe they have random people on there.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's for sure.

[Moses Hackman]

That'd be fun. We could go down the Runway. Yeah, that kind of. But even when I did it for my own music video, I was, like, terrified to do Runway. I was like, oh, my God. I don't want to, like, go down the Runway because so much pressure when so many people are so much better at it. You know, like, national. Like, if someone asked me to sing the national anthem, like, would I do it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, you would, you think?

[Moses Hackman]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think you would.

[Moses Hackman]

I think that's something you just, like, can't come back from when you, like, if you do horrible.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like that's your dream, is to, like, have a viral, bad national anthem.

[Moses Hackman]

Maybe back in the day. But I'm on such a good streak that I would do it for real, but people might think I was trolling. And then that's my biggest downfall. And then I get canceled. Like, everyone gets canceled after seeing it. Like, Roseanne Barr got canceled after singing it. Fergie. Although now she's kind of like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think she got canceled over it. I think it was just bad. It was just bad, but I don't think people are like, it.

[Moses Hackman]

I don't think it was even that bad when you listen to it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I remembered last year there was a girl that. I forget who it was, but we covered it that she. Hers was, like, worse than Fergie's. And then you sang the national, and then Jimmy edited, like, the flag behind you.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh. And it was pretty good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

I don't know if I went. I don't know that one. I don't know that one's a tricky One.

[Trisha Paytas]

It also depends on the event that you're performing it at.

[Moses Hackman]

Sure. Like, is it the super bowl or is it the Ace family charity event? You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like they sing national anthem.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, I thought about that when I saw the. Keep seeing the clips of the basketball game. Like, who's singing?

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm dead.

[Moses Hackman]

I wonder who they had. They probably had some YouTubers singing, I would imagine, because you always have to sing a national anthem at the sporting event. So I was always like, who is doing it? We should ask those questions. Oh my gosh. My hole is getting so big. Can you see it? Should I change it? You tell me. It was that bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was really tiny.

[Moses Hackman]

What happened? Oh my God, you guys, this is like not my day today. Oh, no. Should I change? It's driving me nuts.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so dead.

[Moses Hackman]

Huh?

[Oscar]

Hold the microphone with that hand.

[Moses Hackman]

Okay. Are you seeing it? If I'm like this? But I can't. It's not comfortable with my left.

[Oscar]

Just normal. Yeah, that's.

[Moses Hackman]

No. Okay. This morning has been such a morning. I was like, is it okay? Everyone's like, no, it's fine.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was really tiny in the beginning.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh my gosh.

[Oscar]

I can put a safety.

[Moses Hackman]

I suppose. I have a different outfit that didn't show up today. And they confirmed I had such a cool pride outfit, like, planned for today. And like, it'll definitely be done by 8:00am 7:45 comes around. Oh, so it's not done?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hackman]

Things that don't matter but matter. And then I'm like, okay. It's like part of the, like, not helping. Okay. Does it look weird if I'm crossing my arms? I feel skinny when I cross them, but. Huh.

[Oscar]

I don't see it on this camera over there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God.

[Oscar]

Too far.

[Moses Hackman]

So I need a blanket or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God.

[Moses Hackman]

Hold on one second. Oh my gosh. That's crazy. I know.

[Oscar]

It's so small.

[Moses Hackman]

All right, maybe I'll do a little off the shoulder more. Let's bring it down a little more.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, Tea. That's a good idea.

[Moses Hackman]

Is it worse?

[Oscar]

Oh, no.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, no. I knew I should have changed. I'm also on a chime.

[Oscar]

Like, it looks like it's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's meant to be there.

[Moses Hackman]

Okay. Brand new dress that I just put on. But. But okay. It wasn't 2x. I am a 3x these days. I did try to squeeze into it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God.

[Moses Hackman]

It's just one of those days. It really is. I'm not. You know, if you feel off today it's just. It, like, hurts to sit. Like, sitting. I'm just like, oh, my God. I didn't have any food this morning. I was scrounging the house. I found potato chips in a peanut butter Rice Krispie bar. And I was just like, this is what I'm eating. I just can't find food I like anymore. It's just all the struggle is there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

It's kind of a. Each end of pregnancy. It kind of gets there.

[Trisha Paytas]

True.

[Moses Hackman]

You.

[Trisha Paytas]

Last year too is like.

[Moses Hackman]

It's true. I just can't even, like, move quick enough.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, oh, I forgot my. The last part of my Justin Bieber, Haley Bieber news was her big billion dollar sale came after reports that Justin Bieber is broken. So people were commending her for covering.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

For the family. Yes.

[Moses Hackman]

Do you think he is kind of.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, TMZ is the one that reported this. And usually they're pretty with it as far as, like, I mean, they kind of lack some. They're a little declasse sometimes because they kind of. They just are very unfiltered, if you will.

[Moses Hackman]

But. Well, TMZ also said Deborah Vance died and she didn't like TMZ reports. It's like, how do they even get that report? Like, what does that mean? She wasn't even close to being dead. Like, that was so weird. So they're wrong. They get wrong. They get a lot of wrong.

[Oscar]

When I heard about it, I was thinking about how he sold his whole catalog for 200 million and she made more than him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, good point. Yeah.

[Oscar]

At first I thought about it when Taylor Swift bought her own catalog because, like, she has so much money she can buy back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

For 360 million million. So he really didn't manage his financials well.

[Moses Hackman]

He sold him only 200 million.

[Trisha Paytas]

Only 200 million back in 2021. And I guess, like, Scooter had told him, like, no, wait till January 2022 for, like, tax reasons or whatever. But then he did it early in December 2021, so he probably actually got a lot less than the 200 million. But, yeah, you would think his discography would be worth so much. I mean, you love that song.

[Moses Hackman]

Is that part of it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. His whole discography.

[Moses Hackman]

How did he own that? Sheeran, like, wrote it.

[Oscar]

Well, whatever part of it he did.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

He sold his ownership. Whatever part he had.

[Moses Hackman]

The. The money. When I sing that song, I guess it goes.

[Trisha Paytas]

It gets split because Ed wrote it, so he still gets money from it. But it's. It's if they use it in like a show or a movie or something. It's Justin's like voice.

[Moses Hackman]

I love that so song cuz I didn't want anyone think his voice just sounds so good and if you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh yeah. And then he was supposed to go on tour but then he canceled it. Then he owed a big sum of money back.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, they money up front?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. He got paid like over 40 million up front reportedly. And once that toy got cancelled, which for health reasons he had to cancel it, he like Scooter took that allegedly and made Justin put in writing that he would pay him back. So there's reports that Justin owes Scooter Braun a big sum of money.

[Moses Hackman]

Scooter Braun seems to be the center of everything obvious.

[Oscar]

And you don't know how much money he's, you know, over the years pocketed.

[Moses Hackman]

Maybe allegedly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

No, I mean he made money. I was saying like he made money.

[Moses Hackman]

He pocketed money.

[Oscar]

Well, he put it where he put it, but he made money. I'm saying he made money. Justin made money. But Justin went broke.

[Moses Hackman]

What if Scooter Braun came to me and was like, I have a tour for you and I'll give you 40 million up front. Do we say yes or no? Do we try? What are you looking at?

[Oscar]

Well, he's going to be a big tour if Scooter Brown, you know, it's going to be a big vendor.

[Moses Hackman]

Is he like, do people like him? Do people work with him?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's kind of divisive. I suppose some people still do work with him, but I mean he, it's like how involved is he in a lot of the businesses these days? He kind of took a step back but you know, he's still part of the company. So he's still, you know, making money. I think his company is Hybe, I want to say Hybe he has partial ownership or something. But yeah, and even like he's an investor in Road Beauty or road whatever it is. So even in that billion dollar sale, like he is still money from that sale as well.

[Moses Hackman]

So he's in it.

[Trisha Paytas]

He has his hand in a lot of pots, but I mean that's the business, I suppose.

[Moses Hackman]

Where'd he come from? How come people respect him so much or liked him so much or trusted him? Him?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think his big client was Justin Bieber, but Taylor hated him because her big clients were. His big clients were Justin and Kanye. Back in the, in 20, like 17 he had Kanye and those are the ones that were like coming for Taylor all the Time.

[Moses Hackman]

Wait, so how did Taylor get involved with them?

[Trisha Paytas]

With Scooter Braun? That whole drama happened when her record label deal was coming to an end and she wanted to own the masters of her six albums. And she got the offer that she got is she would have to every new album she released on that label, she would get one of her masters back. But her. He. She knew that Scott Bart, the guy who owned her label, was gonna. She knew he was gonna sell it, so she didn't want to stay and have someone else, you know, be owning it. So she left the label, and then the guy ended up selling her. Her masters to Scooter Braun. And she was like, that was ultimate betrayal. Because he knew how much. I don't like Scooter Braun because he has always, like, had it out for me.

[Moses Hackman]

Why did he buy him?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think because he wanted to have, like, some control over Taylor.

[Oscar]

Because he made tons of money.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, well, he wanted to, but then she released her own versions, and then.

[Oscar]

Because they bought it for 300, they sold it back with 360 60s. So they made 16 million just from that. But then every year, they made 30 million every year just by licensing the music.

[Trisha Paytas]

But he sold it to. He had to sell it to another for, like, another place. And then he. They sold it. He sold it to this other place for shamrock for 360 million. And then when they. When this company got it, the her masters, they reached out to her and were like, well, you can have the opportunity to, like, work with us and get him back.

[Moses Hackman]

Back.

[Trisha Paytas]

But Scooter Braun was gonna make her sign, like, an NDA so she can never say anything about him again. And she's like, well, no, I'm not gonna do that because I don't want to, like, owe anything to you. So I will only buy it when Scooter Braun is out of the equation.

[Moses Hackman]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So now she bought it, and now she was able to have, like, nothing to do with Scooter Braun at all. So.

[Moses Hackman]

So we don't like him.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I think, like, Justin left him. I think Ariana left him.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, she is with him too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Damn Beer was with him and she left him too, so.

[Moses Hackman]

Interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Demi Lovato was with them. I don't know if she still is. So he had a lot of clients.

[Moses Hackman]

And now no one's with him.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but he also, like, said that he. There was all this news, like, Ariana dropped him. Scooter Justin dropped him. And then he released a statement like, oh, I'm taking it back a step back from like talent management or whatever.

[Moses Hackman]

So because no one wants to work with you, your talent left. So I don't know if there's nothing to manage. Yeah, that's wild, huh?

[Trisha Paytas]

So it's.

[Moses Hackman]

What a history.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's very dubious. I'm so interested to see like the real. See, I want like at some point there to be like a documentary or something.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, you know, there will be.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

It's like the little Pearl man, it took like 30 years for it to come out and everyone like came for him.

[Trisha Paytas]

So interested to see, like, what kind of shady business is going on.

[Moses Hackman]

You know, there's always something. Like the music industry. There's always something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

That's why I'm independent.

[Trisha Paytas]

You own your masters.

[Moses Hackman]

I own everything. My contracts are so like, I own everything. 100 rights belong to me. That's why I work with the same people. Cause so many people are just like, no, I need a percentage. I need this, I need that. As like, no, I own master.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. You and Taylor breaking down barriers for the music industry.

[Moses Hackman]

No, I own everything. Which is, you know where it's at. One day people want my I Love youe Jesus song. They tried to offer me money for it. I said, nope, that's my song. And I feel so powerful with it. It does feel good. Even when I go on tour, I was like, God, I don't have to like pay any labels. Granted, we don't have any sets or anything. I saw Sabrina Carpenter was at the same place I was. So I looked up her show. I was like, oh, my God, she had such cool sets and everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, for like her last tour. Yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

The one where she had like a heart shaped email.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can't send.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. You went.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I really wanted to though, but she was playing like deep la, so it was like. It's one of. I think it was like the Will Turn or like one of those.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, yeah, yeah, those are.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's just hard to get to. But it looked cute.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Now regret because that was when, you know, the tickets were like 20 bucks and I was like, you know, 200.

[Moses Hackman]

So yeah, that's crazy. And her tickets, she's still on the short and sweet one or she has.

[Trisha Paytas]

A new one still Short and sweet. I believe she's doing like a second leg, I think.

[Moses Hackman]

But Benita Skinner dressed as her last year for Halloween.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

He looks so good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I forget. Benny was Sabrina, Jake, Shane was Chapel, and there was one other person.

[Moses Hackman]

Was it that boyfriend was Charlie xtx?

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe. Maybe it was that.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, yeah. I was like, they looked so good. Jake Shane really is everywhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hackman]

He did Radio City Music hall too. I was like, oh, my God. What is he. He does a podcast live, basically.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so. Yeah. And then he's at the AMAs too, that Jake Shane.

[Moses Hackman]

So, yeah, he's everywhere. He's booked everywhere. He'll probably be on Dancing with the Stars this year. Alex Earl said something that she. Someone asked him, like, who would you want to be on with you? And he said, jake Shane.

[Trisha Paytas]

I could see that. I think. I think Jake Shane would gobble him up too.

[Moses Hackman]

I think he could win the whole thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of think never know on Jake Shane.

[Moses Hackman]

You called it. You. You called him early on on this podcast that he was gonna blow up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. It's one of our first. First. But I mean, he was also, like, already nominated for, like, creator of the year or something, or he was already, like, the headliner at Vidcon or something. So it didn't take much.

[Moses Hackman]

That doesn't take much to be Jake and Johnny. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, okay, legends only.

[Moses Hackman]

Legends only. Where are the girls? Where's the girl aligners? They don't exist, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think. I don't know who's going this year, but I feel like Britney Broski must have been. And, like, Drew a Foala. I feel like they must have been had.

[Moses Hackman]

Really. I mean, that would make sense. I just don't remember them being on like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I remember the last Vidcon I went to was 2019, and the big ones were Emma Chamberlain.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Bretman Rock, David doctor.

[Moses Hackman]

How crazy. It was a time because Bretman's still big, but he's, like, pretty to himself in his own little.

[Trisha Paytas]

Honestly. And that's kind of. Maybe that's the secret. I feel like he figured it out.

[Moses Hackman]

No, for sure. You're, like, living in this nice, like, Hawaiian Mountain with your hot boyfriend.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just has everything figured out. He's hot. Boyfriend's hot. Beautiful house, chickens, lovely family. He has his nieces and nephews just.

[Moses Hackman]

Mind his own business.

[Trisha Paytas]

Comes out here for a little brand deal, goes back. Or he comes out to get a little Boo Boo with Mr. M. Ashen. Like, I love.

[Moses Hackman]

What are they friends?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they. They buy the boo boos together. I mean, it was a couple months ago I saw, but yeah, they went. I remember they. He came and then that him, Alicia and Remy were. Went around buying the boo boos. It was like, this sounds like the perfect life.

[Moses Hackman]

Ah, yeah, it really does. She just got Her, I screenshot it all the time. She got sponsored by Domino's. She got her 12. Her 12 at least the ones I counted were at least 1212 dominoes. And you know what? You know how I know now? Just before anyone calls me obsessed, everyone tags me. Everyone tags me because she just had one come out on Saturday and they're go to the one like 3000 at Commons, like I'm dead. And it's literally her just eating pizza. Like I want a snack. I'm eating Domino's today. I was like, how much are you getting paid?

[Trisha Paytas]

How many she like was in the contract, like how many videos?

[Moses Hackman]

Oh my God. I could just see it being like a year in my head. I think she's getting like a million dollars for like all these posts. Cuz she's just posting non stop and it's so crazy and it's not really her brand. She does cooking and she's very healthy. So the Domino's kind of came out of nowhere. But I couldn't be more jealous again. I'm like oh my God, how many? And it does look so good. And every time I want to eat that pizza and I restrain myself, I said I'm, I really think I'm boycotting. I love Domino's. I think I have to boycott at this point because it's actually just so sad because it's not just her. It's like literally every random influencer is like check out the new dominoes. I was like, that's crazy. I want to know what the talks are. You know there's talks because I, I've random people that mean greets. Like I used to work for Target, like marketing and we'd always bring your name up and then someone always like, no, she's too controversial, whatever. So I was like, I know somewhere it's been brought up and like they're just like no, I really think it's the fat thing. I think they hate fat people. In my opinion, they don't want people to be like, oh look like Trish if you eat Domino's. You know, oh my God, whatever. They should cater more to those people because that's who is in your pizza. All the little fatties. Oh my God. By the way, mean greets are so funny. When people come up, they're like, people will literally like refer to themselves at fat as fatties. And it takes me like a back for a second. Like if you ever meet a fatty. I was like, it's because I'm like, I'm like, I always think they say baddy. I think, what? Because I'm a fatty right here. I was like, oh, my God. Like, it's kind of jarring when people call themselves that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hackman]

I should probably stop, because that's a lot. Don't call yourselves fatties.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so deaf to see your impact.

[Moses Hackman]

I know. I that part. I'm so sorry. Shout out St. Louis, the factory, for having extra wide chairs at my show. They're the biggest chairs. It's like, probably the size of these at the show. And it was wonderful. Each person had a huge chair.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, like in the audience. Yeah. I hate a tiny seat in the audience.

[Moses Hackman]

We had that once at the Harris at the Donny Osmond. Now we sit in the booth, but oh, my God, those, like, little ones like that are just so tight. I really couldn't fit. That was 2021. I was before I had kids, and I could not fit in those. That was so uncomfortable. My butt was, like, squished in half. It's crazy. They need to have bigger stuff seats. If I get a residency, I'll make sure Resorts Las Vegas puts in extra wide seats for everybody. Just so you can sit crisscross if you're extra tiny, because that is you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Making them do their entire, like.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, that's a requirement, actually. Moses, you can make these pink seats for my residency. Everyone can sit in these seats. It wouldn't be that bad, actually. They figure it out.

[Trisha Paytas]

But then you fit less people in there.

[Moses Hackman]

That's okay. I only need 40 people at my residency. That's where Erica Jane had. I think she had, like, 100 people at her residency.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's fear.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. The Capacities. Even Tony osmonds. There's like 500 people. He seems bigger, but I take 500.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Especially every night.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We could have 200 people at the show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Make it intimate. I love that idea. I'm down for it. 20, 26. Here we go. Me and the little boo boos.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hopefully. Hopefully. I don't know.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, yeah. Someone made Glinda labubu over there. They, like, handmade it, people. Oh, and the check. Someone wrote this check to me too. It's a $10 million manifesting check for a Netflix special. I didn't say comedy. I was like, well, we could have maybe like, a singing special or something. But comedy special is crazy. Me doing stand up. I like the manifestation, though. That looked good. It's so funny. Someone brought it to the show. Like, here's a giant check for you. Thank you. Whoever brought it Crazy to put like, little cards so I know who was bringing what because even this one came from. But then people try to claim it. They'll email me and be like, actually, I was the one that sent you. But then like 20 people email me. I'm like, which one?

[Trisha Paytas]

Which one is the real one?

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, like, I made that for you. And I was like, prove it. You know, I don't know. Is there a cobra? Is that what's on your shirt?

[Trisha Paytas]

I purposely like, not saying anything because I love seeing where your mind goes for, like, as you try to fill the dead air. I'm like, what is she gonna bring up next?

[Moses Hackman]

Dead air.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Moses Hackman]

Just looking around the room, just making observations. Oh, it's tight.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, a snake shirt.

[Moses Hackman]

I don't even look. I never see. I come in and Moses sets everything up.

[Trisha Paytas]

So dead. I'm so dead.

[Moses Hackman]

I'm like, what's behind me? What's around? Oh my God. Also just my pelvic bone feels like it could bust at any moment. Let me know if you had this during pregnancy. See anybody out there? My pelvic bone feels like it's crushed. Like when I'm like to stand up or when I walk on it. It literally feels like it's about.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is this the first time we've felt that?

[Moses Hackman]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. I'm like, scared. It happened like. Like it just feels painful. It's so weird. I don't know, just sitting. That's why I keep like, adjusting. It keeps like. It's so weird. It feels like it's gonna be broken.

[Oscar]

Because your bone starts moving to get ready for the birth, for the child to come out.

[Moses Hackman]

I guess I had a little bit of that before, but this one is like, intense. I was talking to my photographer about it too. Like, I was.

[Oscar]

I was like.

[Moses Hackman]

She knew she had it too. Actually. She has a boy too. So maybe it's like a boy thing when you have a boy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cuz it's just like so very Bella Swan in Twilight. Because baby Renesmee was breaking her bones when she really? Well, yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

What was happening to her? She wasn't eating or something because the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Baby was a vampire sucking her blood. And then when it came out, the baby was breaking all her bones.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, my God. Damn. What happened?

[Trisha Paytas]

Then she became a vampire. Spoiler alert. And I was Bella. Yes. And then she was able to, you know, heal because vampire healing. You had the old Twilight era. Don't you remember?

[Moses Hackman]

No, I don't remember that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you watch them?

[Moses Hackman]

Wait. Yes. I remember getting really Skinny. I don't know why. So. So did she become a vampire before she gave birth?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, she became a vampire like as. Like right after the baby was coming out.

[Moses Hackman]

Cause she would have died.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she was about to die, so Edward saved her by turning her.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, okay. So it's kind of cute. He's like, okay, I have to do it now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

What did they think though when they had sex? Like didn't they know they were gonna have a vampire baby? Like what do they think? A vampire and a human having a baby.

[Trisha Paytas]

My plot, my Twilight plot hole was if he's a vampire, how does he get hard? Because the blood has to go into the penis. I literally since I read the book in high school, I was like wait, how can he get hard if he's a vampire? Like how does he get a wreck?

[Moses Hackman]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cuz the blood would have to go in into his penis.

[Moses Hackman]

Did you ever google it?

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess I should. Let me see.

[Moses Hackman]

See what people say, what the theories are.

[Trisha Paytas]

How did Edward Colin get a boner?

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. Cuz like they were always doing it.

[Trisha Paytas]

How did Edward colon get hard? Is the first thing that comes out.

[Moses Hackman]

Everyone else had the same thought.

[Oscar]

So be careful with links you click on.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh yeah, yeah. Just your computer hits viruses.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. It says. Oh E online did an article. Okay, okay, okay. It's related to vampire physiology and their unique biology. Essentially vampire blood and venom particularly. Particularly venom are what drive this. So the. I guess venom goes into. Oh, venom runs through his veins instead of blood. So I guess venom just goes into. But then isn't he shooting venom?

[Moses Hackman]

That's what I'm saying. What were they expecting? She should have actually died after having sex with him, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. She's getting like poison.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. Call Stephanie Meyer.

[Trisha Paytas]

We need a statement.

[Moses Hackman]

It actually though like what can vampires. I guess it's fantasy. I guess the vampires aren't real.

[Trisha Paytas]

How did Edward call him?

[Moses Hackman]

Glitter just sparkly everywhere is everything just.

[Trisha Paytas]

Comes down to vampire physiology. It says vampire physiology combined with human sperm.

[Moses Hackman]

People just make things up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because that makes no sense.

[Moses Hackman]

Okay. TWI hards. I'm just like yeah, still love Twilight.

[Trisha Paytas]

But that is same. I guess you just can't think too hard about things.

[Moses Hackman]

No, but it's good. You do question the system.

[Trisha Paytas]

Even when I was reading it as in high school, I was like wait h. I guess kind of related. They announced the Harry Potter cast. The. The little kids and I'm scared for those kids. I hope people are nice.

[Moses Hackman]

That's what I was saying. I'm like it's kind of sad because it's like, obviously you get the opportunity, you want to take it.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I'm sure those kids probably don't know what J.K. rowling is up to, right? They're freaking like 10 years old. I feel like they, they wouldn't know, know.

[Moses Hackman]

And then as parents, you're like, paul, they did get this opportunity, but it is a tough one because she is so much evil. And it's just like, damn, I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. And like, I don't want the kids to, you know, be traumatized.

[Moses Hackman]

So, like, you know, probably aren't even being mean to them. You know what I mean? Like, how could you do this? Why would you do this? The show should just not be made. I really.

[Trisha Paytas]

I agree.

[Moses Hackman]

Stop it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it's too late.

[Moses Hackman]

But who's doing it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Matt Max or HBO Max now.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, I like them too. I don't know. Damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I'm a little worried. I'm very, well, actually, very worried for these kids, but it just doesn't make sense to me because, yeah, the movies are like almost what, like 20 years old, I guess from the first one, but they still hold up really well. And like, if you're gonna do anything with Harry Potter, why not just make a new story? Because they did the whole Harry Potter game, like I think a year or two years ago, and it was a new story. It wasn't like Harry Potter, but it was Hogwarts.

[Moses Hackman]

Wait, what do you mean? There was a new book or what?

[Trisha Paytas]

There was a, like a video game that was. Had all new, like, Hogwarts lore and stuff.

[Moses Hackman]

I didn't see that.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it was a really, really popular game. It was like the best selling game of like 2023. I think I sold millions of copies. So it. Why not like, make a new Hogwarts story? Why are you redoing the movies? Like, how.

[Moses Hackman]

But it's a TV series.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's a TV series and every season is one year of Hogwarts.

[Moses Hackman]

Maybe they put more from like the books that didn't make the movies.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's kind of what they're saying. Because it's like probably like eight hours versus two hours.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, it's more detailed.

[Trisha Paytas]

How much more do we need? I don't know. Like, I feel like we got the gist now.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. I also think just anything J.K. rowling should just be Hogwarts. Let's just make a new school. You know what I mean? Let's just. Let's go to a different wizarding school. Let's do Wizards of Waverly Place as a remake. You know, like something else.

[Trisha Paytas]

They did that already? Already, but.

[Moses Hackman]

But oh, did it flop?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, and they just got a season two.

[Moses Hackman]

No way. Congrats. I didn't know that. Is Selena's in it.

[Trisha Paytas]

She is producing it and she's like in it like two episodes. But it's mostly, you know, David Henry. Her. The guy who played her brother for him.

[Moses Hackman]

He's probably so relieved to have a job.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

You know what I mean? Like when that's like your role and then it comes back, you're probably like.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're like, I'm set.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh yeah, Fuller House. Candace Cambere was probably like, thank God. You know, literally.

[Oscar]

Literally.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I guess she saw the Lifetime money, but I'm sure everyone else was like, true.

[Moses Hackman]

Maybe she has it right. Didn't she like super Christian or something like that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. She's anti JoJo.

[Moses Hackman]

Is she? Is she anti JoJo or JoJo's anti her?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think. Oh, I think she called out JoJo and then Candace clapped back at JoJo. I mean, I think JoJo called out Candace Cameron Beret and then Candace Cameron Bray clapped back at Joe.

[Moses Hackman]

What did Candace Cameron Ray say?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think she just let me see what the clap back was back. I'm pretty sure.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, I didn't know she asked anything. I thought judges like always came for her because Canon Cameron's like, okay, it shouldn't be in Christmas movies or something that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they had a public feud. They went back and forth.

[Moses Hackman]

That's embarrassing for Candace.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. Especially because this was 2022, so JoJo was like 19.

[Moses Hackman]

Embarrassing. A little 19 year old lesbian you're coming for. That's so sad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Now they probably get along, right? Her argument is like it should be a man and a woman. It's like, well, there you go. Maybe they became friends.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think JoJo would still be like, you know, she's still for the gays. I think like she's her roots.

[Moses Hackman]

Could you imagine she'd like to post something on Pride. I was like, ugh, not this month, you guys.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm taking a step back from can you imagine? Oh my God.

[Moses Hackman]

Any allyship until be. That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

We can't fully lose JoJo.

[Moses Hackman]

We can't. No, no. She is. She is gay icon for sure. Forever and ever, no matter who she's dating. Yeah. Just wish it wasn't this guy.

[Trisha Paytas]

But same I wish it was the normal guy, you know, like who's like a straight 21 year old. You're so right. Jojo and Benson Boone would be teased. I feel like JoJo could probably flip.

[Moses Hackman]

No, definitely. She's a flipper. He definitely down to name his daughter Freddy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You're, you know, loves queen. I feel like you're on to something that is.

[Moses Hackman]

And he's like in his 20s, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. I think he's like 22 bets and boot is 22.

[Moses Hackman]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so.

[Moses Hackman]

27.

[Trisha Paytas]

22. He was born in 2002.

[Moses Hackman]

22.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, that's a perfect match for them.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's perfect.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh my God. What? That's crazy. I thought he was like so much older.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, he's 22.

[Moses Hackman]

Okay. He's kind of killing it for 22, honestly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Team.

[Moses Hackman]

Okay. I love them together.

[Trisha Paytas]

Me too. I think this Jojo, let's revisit. Let's. Let's figure something out. That's the perfect match.

[Moses Hackman]

We support the peen journey that you're on, but let's find a different one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Crazy.

[Moses Hackman]

Not a 32 year old love island star. Who's next? Harry Jowsey. You know what I mean? It's like. No.

[Trisha Paytas]

How old is Harry Jowsey.

[Moses Hackman]

Siblings?

[Trisha Paytas]

He's 28. So I guess that's a bit. Little bit more age appropriate. But yeah, they do look a little. Do you think? I feel like he. Cuz Harry J. Loves letting in celebrities DMs and then he goes on his podcast and be like, yeah, I slid into their dms, but I didn't get it. Responsible.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh my God. Hair Jazzy. Stop. He needs to be stopped.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I feel like he'll be like, oh yeah. I try to. I try to slide into JoJo's DMs and she didn't respond. He says that about everyone. He's like, yeah, I DM Sabrina Carpenter. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Why would they ever respond to you? Oh, me with Walton Goggins and everyone else and Zac Efron and Justin Bieber. I guess I am. Me and Harry Jazzy are too much, too similar.

[Trisha Paytas]

At least you're coming out as a fan. Wanting to collaborate and use like an interviewer.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. Oh, definitely not sliding in hands like that. But sometimes I think about that. But that's why my profile. I have like married mother of two. You know what I mean? I should put at. It's always funny to me when people put like married to and then they. At the person they're married to. I was like, okay, clout. I guess I could. I don't know. That's weird. It's kind of giving free promo to Moses over there. Married at Moses Hackman. It's kind of cute, I guess. I like your bio says like it says something like now like at just Church Pod. And I love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh yeah, I love that. Cuz I. I wanted to make it a little bit more. Well, I added a business email in there. So I'm like, I should let people know it.

[Moses Hackman]

No, I love it because like the gestures. Pod. Instagram is lacking. So I love that you like tagged it. I was like, I put it too. But I'm like sometimes even. Yeah, I was like, I like it though. We're trying to make a comeback over there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

I just never know what to post and I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, once you get back into the guest era and stuff too, we'll have guests, so that'll help. We just never take photos ourselves. That's our problem because by the time we finish. I know we just kind of forget because we kind of.

[Moses Hackman]

We need to get back to the costume. Costume era.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah, we'll get there. The eras of Trish Shore is almost over. And then you'll get a second wind. Baby will come and then you'll. Yeah, you'll be re. Energized. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

We were doing like Chapel and Bowen. We were manifesting so much with our cosplay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, you did like Deadpool. That's when the cat.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's when we did Cat's Eye. Yeah. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

But uncomfortable, huh?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it was just a little too. A little too small. So. Yeah, just a size up is what we learned always. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Through the name of a show. If we did an overcompensating, it should be called Size Up. We should make a show together about like being fat as kids. You're skinny now. But. But that's such a good show is like when the one person gets like skinny and the other person stays fat. It's kind of like Heavyweights with Ben Stiller. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like that. Oh, that's news. Ariana Grande is in the new Meet the Parents.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

I love that's our first rule that she picks after baguette is like, I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Feel like she got off. I mean, literally. The article did say, I think it was deadline that she got offered so many roles from like, I think Warner Brothers came to her, Universal came to her. And then she got offered so many things and she picked Meet the Parents. Love.

[Moses Hackman]

I don't know about that. Like, that's like she could have been Audrey Hepburn. She could have been like all these.

[Trisha Paytas]

Roles, but she's so funny. So I want her to do like a comedy.

[Moses Hackman]

But Meet the Parents, Is that a comedy? That's like your dad's comedy. You know what I mean? My dad loves Meet the Parents. He thinks it's hilarious.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have a memory watching it as a family and I feel like I liked it whenever I watched it. But I don't understand.

[Moses Hackman]

I remember liking as a kid too. I think I was like the only funny movie that came out. I was like, it's so funny then. You watch it now and it's like, it's a little cringe, but I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I trust Ariana, especially saying what she did with the wicked. Like, you know, she any, like, change. She was like, her and Cynthia were in there being like, no, keep this, this. So I feel like for me, the parents too. She'll be like, that's not fun. I feel like she'd be honest and be like, no, let's let mama. Let's get back to the writer's room.

[Moses Hackman]

I hope so. I trust her.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think Ariana's ever been anything that's like, quality wise bad.

[Moses Hackman]

That cat. Oh, no, that one where she had the voice like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

At the time, though, that show was everything.

[Moses Hackman]

It's like, look at my feet.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, well, the feet stuff wasn't her fault.

[Moses Hackman]

Okay, but that's what I'm saying.

[Trisha Paytas]

But also, she didn't have the age agency she has now because now she is Ariana Grande, you know?

[Moses Hackman]

I hope so. They said that she was gonna be married into the family to the son of Ben Stiller and Terry Polo's characters. And they said the son was gonna be played by Adam DiMarco from overcompensating. Oh, really?

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't see that part.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, that was rumored. I mean, it hasn't been confirmed, but still a little bit.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of want Benny to be in there actually and play, like, the straight guy married to Ariana. I could see them being cute together, actually.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, like the Owen Wilson type. The first movie like this, like, blonde guy that's like, yeah, yeah. He is so cute. He might be my new favorite. I do love him. Benny, if you want to. Come on. Do we call him Benny or Bonito? I don't know. He's Benny Drama. But his name's Bonito Skinner and I love Benito. It gives me, like, Benicio, like Del Toro. Like, I love that name.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is a good name.

[Moses Hackman]

Bonito. That's a good name.

[Trisha Paytas]

Bonito Drama.

[Moses Hackman]

Bonito like beautiful. Like bonita is big, beautiful girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

But Benita is not bonito is.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, he's Benito.

[Trisha Paytas]

Benito. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Anyways, bonito like eo, when you add.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ito, it means like little. I think like little bonito. Yeah. Like whenever they. My family added it. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

What do they add it to?

[Trisha Paytas]

My family calls me Juny, cuz I'm Oscar Jr. Oh, Juni. Junito. But they do it with like the Junito. But. Yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

We never even talked about this. I got to meet your brother at.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh yeah. Oh my God.

[Moses Hackman]

That was so crazy. It was funny, so surreal. Like you guys are so different.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. My brother and my sister in law brought their. My nephews to Elvis's party. Originally supposed to be me and Darian, but the kids. But then Darian got sick. So then it was just me and then. And my sister in law. My brother was gonna stay home. But then while one of the younger one that's Malibu's age, he had a little meltdown. Would only go if my brother went with him.

[Moses Hackman]

We know that it was a whole thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

But once they got here, they had so much fun.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, it was so cute. And we know your sister in law because we've seen her in class before. So I was just like, oh my God. It was so good. It was just so weird because it's like you talk about your family but then you see family and you're just like, oh my God. And they're so like. I don't know if the word is like normal, but in a good way.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

It's like my brother just very like normal.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like my sister in law is a little bit online. She leaves like has Instagram, but my brother has. Even in high school college never had social media ever.

[Moses Hackman]

That was my brother too.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's so offline.

[Moses Hackman]

Nothing ever.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was crazy. But my sister in law was very geek because she's like, is that Holly Madison? And I was like, really?

[Moses Hackman]

She's like plugged in a little. Yeah, I probably would have no idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

At least millennial stuff, you know, it's.

[Moses Hackman]

Like girls next door.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh my God, that's so fun.

[Trisha Paytas]

My brother had no idea. He doesn't even really watch tv. He watches like even when he was younger like as. And he was like the cool. Like he played like, he skated, he did sports. Like he was like the popular guy. But he always watched like History channel as like a teen college.

[Moses Hackman]

That's so funny. You're closest in age. You two that came. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

He looked cool, he seemed cool. He seemed like just a cool dad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's like very dad. Chill vibes, you know.

[Moses Hackman]

It's so funny to see. Yeah. You guys together because it's almost like you weren't related but you were so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which. We only share a mom, so I don't know somewhere.

[Moses Hackman]

But my sister only share a mom and we're pretty.

[Trisha Paytas]

She does look very alike, but.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, yeah, you look somewhat alike. It was more just like the action.

[Trisha Paytas]

All like skinny and he's like his whole vibe. I mean he's the. He's like literally the stereotypical California skater guy.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, it was interesting to see. I loved the.

[Trisha Paytas]

He called my mom after and he's like, yeah, like Trish, she's just like, like she's normal people. Like, she's just so cool. They live at like such a nice house. But like she's just a very normal person. Like. And he's like a skater. Like. And my mom was like telling me this. I'm like, oh my God.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, I love that we do give off very normal. We definitely eat craft Mac and cheese in this house. You know what I mean? That's so funny. He was really nice. He was really. Yeah, that was really cool. Does he know like what you do? Like he knows you host the podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kind of, but I don't think think he knows. Yeah, same as like your. When your family asked him.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, my brother came to a show in Austin and that was like the first thing he's ever come to and he's just like, oh my gosh, like so many people know you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think my sister in law got it. I guess she's on the Greek email list. So when you're playing the Greek, she sent, she's like, trisha's playing the Greek.

[Moses Hackman]

I was like, yeah, I love that. My brother always does stuff like that too. He's always like, oh, you're on us. It's. But can you attest to the fact that there were people at the party?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh yeah, people.

[Moses Hackman]

And I don't really like try to comment because I really don't care that much. But there was like maybe a handful, like 5 comments on My birthday photos. It's like, wow, all this and no one shows up. And I was like, first of all, people, did we take Our photos at 9am an hour before people come? Because we just want to make sure we get our photos. I'm very stressed about photos. I'll just tell you. Like, I get so stressed that we will not get family photos when we do like fun Things like Easter and stuff, so we do them beforehand. And I don't post other. Other people's kids. So I was trying, like, not to, like, whatever. I gave links to everybody, like, here's pictures. But there were. That's why I posted Happy birthday of everyone singing. I'm like, just so you know, there was people here, which I don't know why I care that much. I shouldn't care, honestly. I would do it just for pictures, but I just was like, people are so weird sometimes. So I was like, all right, let me post the birthday. I think Dharma just had a birthday and he. He filmed everybody saying happy birthday to him instead of being filmed. And he said that. He's like, took 41 years to figure out I should be filming this way. And you should, because then you can see all the people there to cheer you on. We did not get the invite to Darman. I really want to go to a dharmon party. He has kids around our kids his age and he's friends with all the mommy people. He had a 90s themed birthday party. You know, Darman.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. Just because of Trish talks. Trish talks? Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Which we never got to that either. The Trish talks of. We're supposed to do the Hunger Games audition.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yes. We. We will be auditioning for A Ballad of Songbird. Wait, no, not Sunrise on the Weeping.

[Moses Hackman]

Sunrise on Weeping Line. Because I think we're gonna miss it.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, let me see.

[Moses Hackman]

I feel like it's always quick. You always have to be, like, the first one to get it in. Joey reposted his damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did he?

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. And everyone's like, oh, this kind of eight. You should repost yours just as you were ten years ago.

[Trisha Paytas]

One minute. I know. I honestly should it to be over 18 plus 1 minute. It doesn't say. It says open auditions are here four days ago. So I think it's still going.

[Moses Hackman]

Okay, you have to make one. I feel like we're gonna rat.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's 25 acting ability, 25 charisma, and 50 thematic relevance. To the. The. To the picture is what it says.

[Moses Hackman]

Picture. What does that mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like the motion picture, I'm assuming. So I guess if we just cosplay, I think we can figure it out.

[Moses Hackman]

Who am I going to be? Who are you going to be?

[Trisha Paytas]

And what scene are we going to do? I really don't know. I guess we can do. My favorite is. And I've made Darian recreate this with me once before. Is from the first movie when Peter's about to eat Some of the. Those berries. And she goes, peter, no. That's night luck, Peter. You'll be dead in a minute. I was so worried for you. That's what she does. And she whacks the berries out of his hand.

[Moses Hackman]

Film you guys doing that next time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, you have to be in it too. I feel like if we have the best chance as a group.

[Moses Hackman]

Okay, well, send me a scene. We can try. I don't know if I like the whole cosplay and my belly can't bend over.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sure. That's what she wears. Okay, okay, okay.

[Moses Hackman]

We can look. I know we should have done it the day we had our full cosplays on, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

But we didn't know back. I guess we should have recreated a scene that day. Oh, yeah, you should.

[Moses Hackman]

I need to see with them. Him in it too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Maybe one where she's like passed out or something. Like Deborah Vance. Everything's ever been someone. She's passed out too. I love that. Just make jokes around it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like we'll get it. Like if we actually do it. I think we'll be in.

[Moses Hackman]

I don't think so. Also, do you want to be an extra? Would you? Because it's like you're just sitting around all day.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but you have famously eaten up an extra role in Modern Family and that's like so iconic. It still gets brought up to this day.

[Moses Hackman]

But I sat and I just waited around for like 10 hours. I had nothing else to do back then. For 10 hours. You know what I mean? Like, could you imagine just sitting around for like 12 hours waiting for your one little part where you're not even talking?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like me having a key. Who isn't it? Oh, me and what's her name? What's her name? Elle. Fanny. Me and El Fanny have a key in the trailer and be like, oh, girl, what is the tea?

[Moses Hackman]

I don't think you're gonna be in Al Fanning, Australia. I think we're gonna be in picnic tables with thousands of other people. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think think. Yeah, then it would be sick. But I think we're gonna be sweating somewhere. I would. It doesn't sound. I don't know. If they asked you to be in it, would you be in it, guys, as an extra?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I don't know what would be, though. I think I'm too big to be one of the starving capitals. I mean, one of the starving districts. So it'd have to be the capital, I guess.

[Moses Hackman]

You're so. You're inner skinny. I know we're not talking about bodies, but you're in a skinny area right now. You really are. Every time I see you, I'm like, oh, my God. I just. I'm a little shocked, actually. It's giving Bella Twilight.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wish.

[Moses Hackman]

No, you look great. You look good. You could be. You definitely could be starving a children. What is it? Where are they from? The cap districts.

[Trisha Paytas]

One of the districts. Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, the capital is also starving, you said, right. Don't they? Oh, no, they're not starving. They eat the too much.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they. And then they throw up and then eat some more. I guess I can do that.

[Moses Hackman]

That's just promoting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Gluttony. I don't know. Silver consumption.

[Moses Hackman]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's the greed they describe in the Bible, as they say.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, okay. Well, it's a very religious episode with Candace Cameron and What else? That. I feel like we've had a lot of Jesus talk this episode.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe you just talked about. I love you, Jesus.

[Moses Hackman]

I love you, Jesus. Righteous gemstones I've been talking about. I guess that's in my head.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Moses Hackman]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, a great transition.

[Moses Hackman]

Do they have Jesus for gays? Gays for Jesus.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like a official group? Yeah, I'm sure there's like an official, like Catholic gay or Christian gay group. There's Megan at Pride, and that's pretty close to Jesus.

[Moses Hackman]

I didn't see that. I didn't see that. Yes, The Megan bots, they look scary. They scare me. I hope it's still happening. I don't know when ours is supposed to happen, but I'm surprised.

[Trisha Paytas]

Junket isn't for a couple of years, so I think.

[Moses Hackman]

I think that's what it is. I think it's like a press junket now. It was really supposed to be here. I think it's a. I have no idea. So, like, what am I gonna go, like, interview Megan and a press jacket? I just go sit in there, be like, hi. Well, I guess they probably. If she's like, programmed, they probably have her program for different things.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we'll see. I can't waste the cosplay.

[Moses Hackman]

So it's been in there forever. Because I thought she was gonna be here like a month ago. So I've been having the cosplay, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Story of our lives.

[Moses Hackman]

I know. So I have a Chapel Ronin one in there from, like, when she performed with Olivia Rodrigo. And it's so little now because I was gonna wear. I said maybe I could wear that. Day. Oh, my God. I couldn't even fit, like, one thigh in there. I was like, damn it. No, but it happens. I get cosplays made, and then I don't fit into them anymore.

[Trisha Paytas]

It'll come back.

[Moses Hackman]

Hopefully my body or Chapel.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, your body. But yeah, yeah, maybe both.

[Moses Hackman]

Maybe both. Chapel one's so funny. She's like the Rainbow Birkin now, where it's just kind of a funny thing to think about. Like, maybe. Maybe next time she does the podcast rounds, you know, it's kind of like just a thing. Okay, maybe Lea Michelle doing Pink Pony Club at her show. I was like, okay. Stealing my nachos. I think. I think ours is better.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. What is she. Isn't she just performing, like, a medley and random song? What does she do?

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, she does, like, a request hour, like, I do. She literally is just like, what song? Because someone's like, run, Joy, run. Like, not that one. Like, she's just very, like. Just takes random requests from people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love that.

[Moses Hackman]

That's my favorite song. She sings, and she's like, I will not do it. That's the worst song. When people ask for that. I was like, first of all, if someone's requesting it, they love it. Daddy, please don't. It wasn't his fault. He means so much to me. Daddy, please don't. We're gonna get married. Just you wait and see. Do you remember that in Glee?

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Which episode was that?

[Moses Hackman]

What are you serious Episodes. It's, like, so iconic because, like, Rachel Berry is, like, the three guys are all in it, and they don't know it. She has them all in the music video. Like, it starts off with Puck being, like, the bad boy in leather, and then it changes into, like, Finn. Like, he starts singing, but none of them know. They all start looking at each other, and they're like, what the. You're in it, too. And then Jesse is in it at the very end, so they're all like, what the hell? So basically, she had all three of these guys, like, pining over in the music room. Then they get up picked, and that's when they sing Turn around every now and then, and they're all, like, facing her. And then she does ballet with Jesse.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't remember this at all.

[Moses Hackman]

That is, like, the only Glee episode that's, like, worth watching. Did we watch it? Did we see it? It's so good. It's like a production. It's like a production music video that she shows in class. And everyone's like. And even Mr. Shue is like, what was that? Rachel? That was, like, really weird. And then they get pissed, all three of the guys, and they all, like, leave her. But basically all three guys have a crush on Rachel in this episode. Like Puck, Finn, and Jesse, they're all, like, pining over her. Oh, my God. Over there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't. I have never went back to watch Glee, though. I only watched it in real time.

[Moses Hackman]

But that one I remembered from day one. Like, I just remember being like, I wish I was her in that video. Like, it was such a good song. That's crazy. Oh, my God. That's actually insane. Okay. I don't even know who you are anymore. That's so good.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like, on my list, season two. Because Jesse. Well, it definitely wasn't season one. So season one.

[Moses Hackman]

So maybe two or three.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Must have been only two or three because we haven't gotten very far.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Fake leak over there.

[Moses Hackman]

I don't know what happens. Like, truly, I, like, stopped watching after, like, Finn, and the actor who played Finn passed away, Corey Monteith. I, like, stopped watching it because then it was. I saw bits and pieces when she was, like, in New York with, like, Adam Lambert and Demi Lovato, and I was like, I don't know. It's like losing the plot. Plot for me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I did lose the plot at that point. But Niata.

[Moses Hackman]

Was that supposed to be like, Juilliard or what was it? Yeah, I was like, wild. Rest in peace, Glee. Well, the show and some people I know. Yikes. That's sad. That is sad. Okay, let's move on from that transition. Transition to James Charles. I didn't know there was an update on this, Kayla. Malik's gonna be uncanceled.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I'm excited for that. But when is this? Okay, this is my plea. Please, Tana editors, everyone turn that around with a quick knit. I can't wait two months for this, Kayla. I can't. We gotta get this up with the quickness. Okay, y' all, let's approve the edit. Let's get edited. Approve the edit.

[Moses Hackman]

That is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Let's expedite the turnaround.

[Moses Hackman]

Yes, I agree. That one should have been like, the day. The next day. They literally should have had the editor be like, to tomorrow. That is like. I mean, Kayla hasn't. I don't know if she's been asked or she just doesn't choose to. I know she really loves Tana, so maybe that's why. But yeah, I'm so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Cuz she's talked with Jacob Sartorius on her own podcast about it, but she keeps it pretty cute. I'm just gonna drag James a little bit, but I feel like, especially if Paige is in the mix, I feel like Paige will definitely clock.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. Oh, my. I mean, so that's what I love about the cancel podcast. Go either way. It could be amazing or it could be.

[Trisha Paytas]

You never know.

[Moses Hackman]

But I think they know that too. I think they know it's a little.

[Trisha Paytas]

Bit of a mixed bag.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. It's chaos over there, really. Are they gonna like each other this week? Are they not? But we watch. It keeps me entertained better than all these boring podcasts.

[Trisha Paytas]

At least they stir the pot. For better or worse.

[Moses Hackman]

Like what is happening this week? What did James Charles do? I haven't seen him.

[Trisha Paytas]

We just haven't talked. We talked about a little bit on Patreon, but we didn't get to talk about his reaction to the Amas last week. @ the top of my mind because it actually made me so annoyed. So James Charles was at the AMAs?

[Moses Hackman]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Fans were very confused about it. I want to say fans, I would say maybe people. The people were confused about it. And there was memes going around. Like videos of James arriving at the carpet and people were tweeting, wow. Not. Not a single camera flash.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And James suddenly knows how to respond with the quickness because he instantly clapped back. He posted on his. I guess he started on his alt Tick tock, I guess is where the post came from, where he did a little green screen showing that tweet and then showing all his getty images and showing different video, different news places that posted.

[Moses Hackman]

Giving me at my birthday party, Elvis's birthday party. Look, there are people. There were people very bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. She's like, actually there's 50 photos and look here. And post it here, here and here. It's like girl relaxing.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he was very proud of that fact that he was posted everywhere. And he was very much clapping back. And even in his comments. Like his first comeback to tick tock after the back and forth with Kayla was him celebrating his 26th birthday and stuff. And anytime he gets like a little sassy comment, he's in the mix. Like clapping back and trying to be. Trying to have a key. Trying to be. I'm like, it's not working.

[Moses Hackman]

It's not cute anymore. You're not a cute little 21 year old that we feel sorry for. You're a grown man, like siding with like literal convicted abusers over a 20 year old girl that you call an acquaintance. And downplay it's like, there's nothing cutesy about you. There's nothing cutesy about a clapback. At this point, you're kind of just a monster, and there's not really anything cutesy about you. Part 2 Gabby featuring James Charles Even Gabby has standards. That's so true. Right. I don't even want to put them together. You're right.

[Trisha Paytas]

He got asked who invited you? And he clapped back, the American Music Awards. How's your couch? Again, not really that esteemed of an invite.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then there was one comment that said, they can never make me like you. And he said, oh, no, whatever will I do? Crying emoji, praying emoji emoji. Another one said, I'm an enemy territory. And he responded, then leave babe heart emoji. And, yeah, these. He just keeps clapping back. And I'm like, listen, you either have to, like, filter your comments, hire someone to be. Just delete them, or just take it. I think trying to clap back and trying to make yourself seem like you're so cool and you're so above it. And these comments are so petty. It's like, no, no. What you did was actually terrible. You displayed a lack of morality. Like, what you did was morally bankrupt. It's not that, like, people are just bullying you unfairly. It's like, you are actually terrible and took no accountability.

[Moses Hackman]

So people are like, let's keep harassing this person because you are awful and you don't want to admit that you're awful.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. So you either have to, like, take it or just delete it, but trying to, like, have a key and be like, look how fierce I am clapping back. It's like, no, it's not like a petty thing. It's not like someone's making fun of your outfit or something. Well, well, they are, but it's not. They're not making fun of it because. And like, as if you're the victim, like, it just comes across like he's trying to play the, like, the mic. Clapping back.

[Moses Hackman]

It's just like when someone is, like, just an awful person and they're ugly, like, oozes out. You know what I mean? That's what it is. So when people are, like, saying, ew, jump, scare, it's because you're protruding that. It's not like you're unattractive looking. It's just the ugly comes out. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

And everyone's like, oh, yes. And it's like you're gonna be dunked on because you what with your actions and what you did, like, you made your bed. You gotta lay in it. Like, you. You flew out this guy that you knew. At the very least, you knew did something horrible to some. To a girl that you are an acquaintance with, collaborated with. So you gotta just take it. Like, why are you trying to sit here and have a key with us? As if it's, like, funny. And then you're taking, like, ownership back. I get the whole playbook. I know exactly what he's doing. Like, the PR of it all, like, it comes. Oh, he's like, on top. He's reclaiming the narrative. He's clapping back. You lost that privilege to do that. Because it's not like silly petty drama. It's like something really serious.

[Moses Hackman]

Convicted abuser.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah, you were. We're losing the plot that, like, he literally was giving PR tips to someone who almost killed his girlfriend.

[Moses Hackman]

Like, no, it's really lost.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was literally giving the crisis PR handbook to this guy.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. And talking to him after, like, Kayla confided to him, trying to, like, give him information about her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

And all stuff like that. He's gross. He's decex. Well, if you look at other platforms, the comments do eat him up. Like, you know what I mean? Then that's the only saving grace I have because I was like, oh, thank God. Like, you know what I mean? I thought the world was just like, whatever. But when you see the comments, everyone's just like, you know, why him? You know? And again, something currently happening now. Like, I hate when people are like, well, everyone's done stuff in the past, but this is, like, so current and.

[Trisha Paytas]

A pattern of behavior that's been displayed for years.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, it's like about six years since.

[Trisha Paytas]

By sister, so quote. And then there was another tick tock that came out of a girl came forward and was like, James Charles has been like, DMing her about, like, donating the money from his Kayla video to, like, a DV charity. And like, he was like, in her DMs going back and forth like, oh, like, I'm gonna use your idea and donate all the money. And then he's like, I'm gonna talk to my team about this. And he's like, my team said, it's actually not a good idea, but I'm gonna do this. And he was sending her all the these screenshots. And then she came forward and was like, I think I'm being manipulated to, like, talk about positively about James Charles. And you guys should know about this, that he's in my DMs. Trying to, like, get my advice on donating to, like, DV charities. I also hate that too. It's like, you only cared about victims when it became. When it affected your bag, when it was bad PR for you.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was a victim. And she said in her video he didn't reach out until after he was getting exposed on Tik Tok, so her videos were already up. So you only cared. You only checked in on her when it was bad PR for you and.

[Moses Hackman]

Then still didn't donate. Well, okay, I get it. Yeah, you're bad. Here, let's donate now. Let's put all that 52 million. 52 million views.

[Trisha Paytas]

He did. He was sending the girl screenshots of him making donations and, like, was sending, like, AMEX receipts or whatever. She's like, why are you sending me this? Like, you do this yourself? Like, what? He.

[Moses Hackman]

But his team said it wasn't a good idea, but he did anyways.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was gonna make stitch her tick tock of her calling him out and be like, you should. You got 52 million views. Like, take this and donate it. It.

[Moses Hackman]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then he said his team advised him to not do that, to not stitch it. To not stitch it or post about it himself because it would take attention. He's like, I don't want to take attention away from victims all of a sudden.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

And then a first step.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he was, like, feeding her information the same way we would get DMS anytime we brought him up. We know how that works.

[Moses Hackman]

It was like every little thing. I'm not turning on the show. I don't care about being your friend. But here's this. This. You don't know the truth. You don't know this. They'll be okay. What's the truth? Well, you just. I can't. I can't say it, but I just know that that's not the truth. And I like, I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

So when this. When this TikTok. When this tick tocker came and was, like, explaining it, I'm like, I know. Exactly. Again, it's like the. The behind the scenes PR to get other people to, like, do the good press for him.

[Moses Hackman]

So weird. Like, nothing can make you look worse. So I think posting about you donating to a DV charity is, like, a little tiny step you could take. You know what I mean? You're so weird. But to, like, get email another person about it and, like, hope that they talk about it. You can, like, you're weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

Stop doing that.

[Moses Hackman]

Stop being people. Just put what you want to say out there, like, damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, just do it.

[Moses Hackman]

Like, so weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

You literally have nothing to.

[Moses Hackman]

That's why I don't get, like, literally nothing to lose.

[Trisha Paytas]

Literally nothing to lose. Like, the people who hate you at this point have a lot of reason to and are not going to turn around. So the least you could do is just, like, do decent things with people.

[Moses Hackman]

Who do support you so they can be like, wow, look, he did that. You know what I mean? Which is, again, better than nothing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

He literally every time I get messages from him and, like, my skin would literally crawl. I'd be like, oh, my God. Like, why did this person just message me? Because he would just, like, have the grossest, like, things. I was like, I tried to give him the bent, the doll. I was like, okay. Because, like, we were so in drama. Got it. And I was like, I kind of feel sorry for him. But then I was like, I don't know. Yeah. Then you, like, look at it. You're like, God, he really is kind of manipulative. Anyone who's, like, in your DMs, like that, trying to, like, convince you something. That's why I stopped, like, even DMing, like, Drama Channel, like, whatever. I guess drama channels, like, don't exist anymore, which is crazy. But. But I would just, like, never DM people. Cause I never want to be even Adam McIntyre. I always keep very, like, distant. Not distant, but, like, just cordial. Yeah. Cause I never want to be, like, too friendly and be like, she's trying to manipulate. He doesn't make videos about me anymore. It doesn't matter. But I'm just saying, like, in general, I never want to be, like, I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Don'T know, come across. Manipulator.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. Because I think no matter what, you could. Especially when it comes to the media. And Adam McIntyre is the media. Yeah. So it's very much like anybody. Anybody that cat or anybody. I'm just very much. Even ej, who I love. But. But I sometimes want to always, like, DM her and be like, love this. But then I'm like, doesn't look like I'm trying to be too friendly to someone who could write something bad about me. I don't know. James Charles, a weirdo. That's the title of this episode. I forgot we did. We did talk about that on our Patreon. I was like, that was. I know it seems like so long ago that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know the amas feel like so long ago, but literally just a week. Wow.

[Moses Hackman]

I know a lot happens in a week.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not A lot happened at the AMAs, but a lot did happen in. In the week.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Should we end on Austin and Catherine? Yes.

[Moses Hackman]

I don't. I mean, yes, I want to, because I have such strong feelings about this. I even made a tick tock. But also to our. It's like our audience care. I feel like our audience never cares when we put them in the title.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like I was more intrigued by the. The Tiana involvement. Yeah, well, and call her Daddy. But I thought the Reaper card, like, because it was a quick question in Caller. In the Caller Daddy interview with Catherine about Tina. And then I saw people were leaving, like, Tana mean comments after that, and.

[Moses Hackman]

I was like, how do we always do that? The girls are the problem.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. To me, it was like a really quick question that Alex Cooper asked about when Tana came forward and made a tick tock and was tweeting about being in a car with Jake Paul and Austin McBroom. And being in the car. She was once in the car with Jake and Austin, and I guess there was like a lipstick in there or something. And she got a FaceTime call about it, and she was getting asked about it from Austin and Catherine, and she just said that it was hers even though it wasn't.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, right. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I went back to watch, like, the videos from three years ago to get, like, the lore about this because I kind of forgot, to be honest. But I remember when Tana came out about this, like, three years ago, it wasn't like, no one was upset for Catherine like back then because there was already cheating, rumors, allegations going around. Like, this was not groundbreaking news at all.

[Moses Hackman]

I think that's why she added to it. I think there was like, a whole string of people coming forward. Be like, he got me a new Malibu. It was like that whole thing, people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were showing different, like, snaps, and it.

[Moses Hackman]

Was definitely out there. And so she's like, adding to this narrative now. She's like, okay, well, let me tell you my story.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. And then granted, I think. I think Tana even now would be like, yeah, probably shouldn't have done that. She did delete that TikTok that she made about it. So I think at some point she learned.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah. So she's mad about the Tik Tok. Catherine is mad about the TikTok being made more than the line.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, yeah, she was kind of saying like, oh, Tana, I wish Tana had DM me before. Like, she went and talked about this, which. That part I do understand. I could be like, well, if for it Would have been better to like, lube Catherine. Like, even if you were gonna make a tick tock just giving her a heads up just so she wasn't like, blindsided by this. But then, like, there's her comment section is as if Tana was the other woman. And I'm like, wait, we're totally losing the plot. Like, yeah, what she did was like, kind of crappy. Sure. Like, she could have given Captain a heads up, but. But she isn't the reason that Catherine stayed with Austin. Like, there was dozens of girls coming forward with pretty good evidence. If Tana was like, yeah, that. If Tana was like, no, that wasn't my lip liner or whatever, it wouldn't have changed anything.

[Moses Hackman]

Well, you did. You did speculate or suggest that maybe someone on the Call her daddy team wrote that question. Because I was like, what a random question for specific.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I'm sure there is a little messy gay over there that's like, oh, Tana made this tick tock three years ago. You should ask about it.

[Moses Hackman]

I mean, this is like an interview that's like an hour and it's like explosive. It's like the first one has like, almost like 10 million views right now. So it's so explosive. I'm like, who threw in the question that, like, Tana Mojo video from like four years ago? It's so random.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was very odd and even like, when Tana made that too, like I said, the. The narrative was already not good for Austin. So yeah, like, in retrospect, it was. Was crappy to do to Catherine, but she's not responsible for any. It's not like she was had a part in the cheating that he was doing at all. He was already doing it.

[Moses Hackman]

No, he just called her to be like, say it's yours. Like, Austin set her up to be like, this is yours. Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And also too, at that time, like, she was still like, in a. We had like a weird friendship with like, Jake, Paul and stuff too.

[Moses Hackman]

So, yes, that was.

[Trisha Paytas]

She was very much in. Now she's kind of grown up and like, come out of it a little bit. But, like, she was very much around, like the dubious guys and just kind of doing. Going with the flow, whatever.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because the only reason she came out about this was for, of all things, Bryce hall was boxing Austin McBroom and the paparazzi was team Bryce. On God. So she was going hard.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, that's so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just to support Bryce hall, which again, aged like milk. So yeah, it all is bad. But to like, the comments really pissed me off because I'm like, why are you acting as if Tana's like, the onus of, like, what went wrong? Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Everyone's like, wow, no surprise Tanner's not a girl. I'm like, like, once again, everything is just taken off of Austin. Like, as if there's, like, he did nothing. Like, it's. Oh, it pissed me off. I literally was like, in St. Louis or something, and it was like midnight after a show, and I was, like, hyped off the show, and I'm like, looking at these. The caller daddy interviews, and I was just like. I was. Well, I saw Austin's response to the caller daddy interview, and I was just like, so I've never. I don't think I've hated this life.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not cared for.

[Moses Hackman]

I know I hate one person. I hate everybody, but I hate him. I think I hate him for a real. Because. Because he was so manipulated to be like, you know what I was going to do response, but that's what you guys want. He goes, I care more about my kids than doing that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, it's my daughter's birthday.

[Moses Hackman]

You can't. You put.

[Oscar]

You.

[Moses Hackman]

You prioritize your kids above everything. Why?

[Trisha Paytas]

What are you having an orgy on a boat in Miami?

[Moses Hackman]

Literally, he's, like, admitted to the cheating. You literally cheated and broke up your family. Like, that's it. Like, Catherine was so loyal. Whatever. Broke up your family. And you said, oh, I care more about the kids. I want to put anything first. But yet you're out late at night cheating on. I hate. I really hate men. I really hate men, honestly. And before anyone's like, you're married to one. No, I'm not Moses. Everybody identifies as water and he means it. And everyone thinks he's being joking and silly. He's not. He really doesn't identify as, like, the a man being. Okay, so just don't even come for me because I actually hate all men. Hate Moses. Not paying attention?

[Oscar]

No, I'm getting my water droplet part.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, there you go.

[Moses Hackman]

I mean, literally, the most despicable people on earth. The fact that he even has a platform that he's even still talking. Like, why is he still talking? I'm literally just like, can't you just shut up for, like, literally a minute? He's just so gaslighty. He's so gaslighty. And the fact that he had it recorded. Did you see? He's like this. He, like, set it up, like, call her daddy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. He got, like, a pink chair. He was Gonna like, parody the caller. Daddy set. Whatever.

[Moses Hackman]

I'm like, you're a clown.

[Trisha Paytas]

Very much a loser.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, my God. Such a loser. He's like, I did it, but I'm not gonna show you guys because I. You know what?

[Trisha Paytas]

This is what you want. Yeah. No one wants. No one wants to hear from you at all.

[Moses Hackman]

No, actually, nobody. Don't say that. How dare you say your kids are priority. That's like the craziest thing that makes me so pissed. So blaming Catherine about the color daddy coming out on his daughter's birthday.

[Trisha Paytas]

She has a say in what day.

[Moses Hackman]

When it was coming out. I'm sure they are. Like, what? And meanwhile, you're having, like multiple affairs on your.

[Trisha Paytas]

Your.

[Moses Hackman]

On your wife, like ruining your whole family life, huh?

[Oscar]

Not just on the wife, on the.

[Moses Hackman]

Kids and the kids. Like you broke it up.

[Oscar]

He's definitely like a very self centered narcissist because it. Everything that happens, it's like, you've been waiting for me. Like, I'm like, no. Nobody waited for you to go and call her daddy. Nobody waited for you to respond to this.

[Moses Hackman]

Nobody wasn't asking you to go on. Like, nobody cares.

[Oscar]

Wanted to hear your side of the story because they know what it is.

[Moses Hackman]

No, nobody wants to hear from you. I think even like these men podcasts like penguins and all that. No one's inviting them on. You know what I mean? Impulsive. You think they would be like, let's have this guy. Nobody wants you on. Nobody. Because everyone's like, you're such a clown. Like, this is so crazy. It's like, not even just about cheating, but just the stuff that. The justification. She knew she wanted me to be a mermaid. Like, all this he's saying, it's just like, my kids are my priority. I would never do anything to hurt them. You're the worst. He's the worst. I mean, he's literally the worst person on the Internet. Right? Right. I mean that. Only there's anybody worse. I really don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's up there for sure in the public enemy list. He. He wasn't in our tier list, but if he was, he would definitely be.

[Moses Hackman]

That's how irrelevant he was, though, because it's like, didn't even think about putting him on the thing. No. And there's another one that blew up over the weekend. Maybe you don't know them, but they're. Do you know Wizard Liz?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hackman]

Yes, her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I didn't know her until I saw everyone was upset that her boyfriend or fiance. Landon. Landon. Landon. Nickerson.

[Moses Hackman]

Are they not married?

[Trisha Paytas]

Married, fiance. So engaged.

[Moses Hackman]

Thank God. Oh, my God. That they were married.

[Oscar]

But okay, well, she's pregnant.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Four months pregnant, so they are married in that sense. You know, it's like, forever.

[Moses Hackman]

It's forever. Also, again, cheating. Both them cheated while both of these women were pregnant, which is like. I'm telling you, this makes me, like. It, like, enrages me so much. Like, what the hell? What do you mean you can't. Like, you can't. Wait. Like, you just, like, you can't. Wow. I'm just, like, so confused. This person's, like, carrying your baby. Like, it's, like, so, like. Like, sacred. Like, the body, everything that goes in it, whatever. And, like, you're cheating. Have an affair and still expecting. Like, I think Catherine said the last time they had sex was when they conceived their son. She's like, we didn't have sex any time after that. So it's like. Because she's like, my body's like a temple. Because, like. But also, like, not knowing, like, this Landon guy with Wizard Liz. It's like, you know, you could still be having sex with her and, like, meanwhile pregnant and not just, like, you don't know what's happening there. You know, Chlamydia, whatever. There could be so much. Anyways, I was so, so, so pissed. Oh, my God. And this guy's, like, response, too, is just so. Oh, I just. I hate these men. I hate these men so much. And yes, they're beautiful women. And, like, that is, like, such a thing. You're just like, what the hell is wrong with these guys? But while pregnant is crazy. Like, they deserve. They deserve. If there's a place in hell, I think these people are going there because that's insane. Like, someone's hormones, someone's. All this stuff like that. Like, they're. And the baby feels everything. We always talk about this. Like, the baby feels everything. Like, sadness, whatever, stress. And no matter how, like, strong or calm you are through this, which both of them seem to be, it still stresses out the baby. It's like, oh, my God, I'm having a baby with this person who's just, like, blew everything up. Like. And it's hard because you can't just kick him out of your life. You're having a baby with them. So it's like, how the hell do you manage that? If I saw his face when I look at the birth vlog of Catherine with Austin, with the son. You just see it. You just see how, like, pissed she is at him. Never Looks at him once, and it's like, how awful that would be to, like, give birth. Like, like, and having to see this person, like, feel their presence in the room with you. Like, oh, get the. Away from me. It sucks. It sucks. While pregnant, cheating's awful. But while pregnant, you have to give birth, and this man has. Gets to be in the room with you. Oh, my God. I would. I honest. I don't know. I. I don't know how they do it. I don't know how they do it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Snapchat, too. That's where Landon was. He made us. He made a. A Snapchat account to. According to Wizard Liz, Landon made a Snapchat account and reached out to a girl to meet up. And it was like, when they were together in London, too. So he was, like, doing it in the side.

[Moses Hackman]

Him and Wizard Liz were in London together?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And what do you mean?

[Moses Hackman]

Like, you're on a vacation and you're like, let me find another girl that sex with, Like.

[Trisha Paytas]

But her quote was so good. She said, men want to lead the world, but can't even control their lust. I was like, claw.

[Moses Hackman]

She's so smart.

[Trisha Paytas]

She ate that up.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, yeah. And I love that she left him right away. She's always preached that. Yes, like, if he cheats, like, leave. And, like, I. I understand both. I understand Catherine's perspective or not. Because you, like, you have kids and you tried whatever. But I love to. I love when someone can just, like, leave like that because, yeah, that is, like, the most disrespectful thing. It's just. So she is. She is smart. She always preaches about this stuff, and it's crazy that it, like, happened to her. A lot of people, like, speculate. Like, he kind of studied. He was, like, obsessed with her and studied her and knew, like, her, like, perfect, like, guy and then became. I don't know. Some people were like, he tried to, like, ruin her on purpose, and he didn't ruin her, but he's just very. God. What.

[Oscar]

I mean, yeah, with Catherine, it was. I mean, it's heartbreaking because you hear her talk about how, you know, like, all you want is to build a home and a family and kids and to make it work and all that. And she said, like, one day I woke up and I was like, did I make it in life? And she wasn't talking to. About money and fame. She was talking, like, she thought, wow, I made it in life. Like, I have kids, I have a husband, I have a family. And then just to find out that you know, the guy. Like it's all an illusion. But it. That. That was heartbreaking because I know like for us, like how much that mean. That means everything. Yeah, like the kids, the family. That means everything. And it's like nothing else.

[Moses Hackman]

Being pregnant too, like four months pregnant. It's just like oh my God.

[Oscar]

And your wife needs you. She's pregnant. Like she needs you. Like there's no time to go and do anything else.

[Moses Hackman]

You While like it's growing. Like they like to hear the voices. Like it makes me so sad. Like it makes. And you know, the crying, you know, like she has to be sad. I mean as much strong as you've been, like it's has to be so sad. It's so. It's like awful because it's like also like, you know, it's not the embarrassment anymore. It's like they should be embarrassed. Like you're. These guys are so silly and gross and it's like they should be embarrassed. But it's still like. It's still like so sad and like heartbreaking. Ugh, I hate it. I hate it so much. And everyone's like, oh, be careful. You have kids with. But you really don't know. Like that's the thing. I mean Catherine was with Austin, had two kids and like had no idea, you know, I had no idea.

[Oscar]

They get pregnant like a few months after they met.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, but they were. They had another baby and everything was fine for like four or five years.

[Oscar]

No, I'm just saying like.

[Moses Hackman]

I'm just saying you could never know. Like even this girl was at Liz, she probably thought, oh, it's great. You just never know. I mean not the extreme of it all, but like you know, even like Chris Watts or something. It's like, damn, you're married to someone for 10 years and you kids have with them. Like what do you mean? You're just gonna like un. Alive your whole family. Like.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what I mean?

[Moses Hackman]

But. But I guess don't blame the women cuz it's like, oh, be careful you have kids with. You just don't know anybody really. It's actually the scariest thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, no, I know what you mean. Yeah. Cuz it is. And also I mean that like mentality applies to like so many cases. But like because there's also in like like any kind of manipulation, emotional, physical abuse, whatever is always like, oh, just leave. But like it's never that easy because of. No, there's like so many different forms like manipulation. Even like as we see with like Austin how he, like, obviously manipulated Catherine a lot.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Even with like, Tana stuff and everything too. So. Yeah, it's like never the women's fault.

[Moses Hackman]

No. It's like, you never know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or I guess it could be the reverse cost to be like a man being manipulated. And so in some cases too.

[Moses Hackman]

But yeah, for sure. Yeah. To be like, oh, just like, be careful who you have, baby.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hackman]

Yes. But also, you just never know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And just be sympathetic. And that's why, again, with like the Tanner stuff, you gotta focus on, like, you know, I. We can't get distracted by like all this little stuff. Like, why? I guess maybe because Austin doesn't have like a front facing, like, thing. Like, snap is so, like, you know, secretive.

[Oscar]

But like you said, that was like, just to create a headline and to get people, you know, rage bait. Because, I mean, you can say that all of Austin's friends, including his family, knew. None of them went to Catherine and said, hey. Or to him, like, don't do it. Or like the kids. I mean, it was. He was with his dad on the yard. Like, this is your grandkids. Like, so it's. It's. That was just for clickbait. I mean, it's not something that she's even.

[Moses Hackman]

Like, they all have a lot of kindness for these people because they'll be like, don't send hate. Don't. They'll be like, like, snake emojis. Take us. Like, would never stop sending hate. I would be like, oh, my God. Obviously don't send hate to anyone we talk about. But I don't hate them. I just despise them so much. I despise them.

[Oscar]

The best thing you can do to those narcissists is to ignore them. Like, to not give them comments or views or anything.

[Moses Hackman]

God, he just claps. He's just responding so quick. He's so fast.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like, he has nothing else to do.

[Moses Hackman]

I know. I was like, like, can you just not. Can you just let her talk? Just like, give her a minute to talk. Like, and she's so nice in the interviews. Like, she's so nice to him. She's so nice about how they started. She smiles about how they met. Like, she's still so nice. I'm like, the stuff she says. Even she like, says with, like, grace and stuff like that, you know, like, very much compassionate. Like, my body's a temple. I didn't want to do this. Like, she's just nice about him too.

[Oscar]

She said she still loves him. She wants him to be well she wants him to be good. Like, she's not talking about him.

[Moses Hackman]

Oh, I would be seething. I'd be seething. But don't send hate to anyone involved. But many are disgusting. If you cheat and you're. You're below. A pig. I was going to say a pig. But pigs are smart. They probably, you know what I mean? Like, you're a. I don't know, something without a brain. Not even a plant. Cuz they have consciousness. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you're just. You're literally nothing. You're dirt. Yeah, Dirt has no consciousness, right?

[Oscar]

You're dry.

[Moses Hackman]

Dry. Oh my God. All right, well.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, yes.

[Moses Hackman]

Keep it gay. Honestly, this is why I hate straight people. Dislike. I don't care if that's straight phobic. That's not even a thing. When people are like, oh, that's like discriminatory to like straight people. I was like, I don't care. They suck.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's Renee. Renee Rapp did an interview today and she said the same thing. She's like, I only have gay people in my house. And if a straight person is here, I'm like, why are you here?

[Moses Hackman]

Leave. Yeah, leave literally right now. Because I just, I don't like you. This is not the month for you straight people. Back down. Just, just. I love that. I just like, let me just put just on the hat.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you design?

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, probably two years ago. I thought I was doing something that's gonna be the brand.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why didn't you put Trish on the hat?

[Moses Hackman]

I don't know. Because I hate. Sometimes I think names are tacky. I know I put my name on everything, but I'm kind of like, that's tacky. Who wants to write Trish on the hat? Just be like, what's just.

[Oscar]

Yeah, there's something about like, you know, just like saying yes to everything.

[Moses Hackman]

Like, it's like, just do it minus the do it.

[Trisha Paytas]

So just whatever.

[Moses Hackman]

Just. Yeah, Just, I don't know, Feel your own. Yeah. All right, well, love you guys. Thank you for watching and. And we'll see you. We'll see you soon. We have a guest episode this week because I will be last weekend of tour and we'll have another guest episode this week and then we'll be back with Hot Topics next week. And we love you guys. And remember, if things aren't going your way. Oh, newmerchitestresh.com check that out. If things aren't going your way, it's okay. Let things go. Everything was going wrong this morning and look we're still here. We're breathing. My pelvic bone is breaking, but, ah, we're here.

[Oscar]

Tune in to the guest episode. This is.

[Moses Hackman]

Ooh, it's a good guest episode.

[Oscar]

Some people, they're like, worried about, oh, maybe we won't know them, you know.

[Moses Hackman]

This guest and Moses became a fan after we were beaming after we went to and I was, oh, my God, that's the coolest person I ever met. Like, sang with me and gave. They're all singing. They really went full out. So anyways, that'll be coming on Thursday. We love you guys so much. I love you guys so much. Thank you, honestly, for making the tour amazing. It's been the best, literally the best year of my life. So thank you guys so much and prayers up for Oscar's back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, thank you. You're welcome.

[Moses Hackman]

Yeah, he's been dealing with a lot too. I'm glad you're here. Making it here is a struggle. I'm proud of you too. I always say this on my show. I'm saying I'm proud of you for living and I'm proud of you for being here. And I'm proud of you for being yourself, Moses. Despite all the good crazy takes, you know, you keep going that 12 year old girl. Yeah, yeah, Those hot takes always over here. Someone always agrees, though. But that's the beauty of this podcast. Someone. There's always a few people like, Mo's got the takes. Does he? You tell us. Love you guys. We'll see you in the next one. Bye.