Just Trish Ep 196 w Ezra Sosa

Summary

Podcast Summary: Just Trish Episode 196 with Ezra Sosa

Introduction to the Episode and Guest In Episode 196 of Just Trish, host Trisha Paytas welcomes Ezra Sosa, a prominent TikTok influencer, dancer extraordinaire, reality show star, and professional dancer from Dancing with the Stars. Trisha expresses her excitement about Ezra's multifaceted career, setting the stage for an engaging conversation about dance, fame, and personal experiences.

Dance Career and Involvement with Dancing with the Stars Ezra shares insights into his journey in the dance industry, highlighting his early beginnings and progression to becoming a pro on Dancing with the Stars. He recounts his audition process and the pivotal moment when Dancing with the Stars expressed interest in him:

"Dancing with the Stars reached out and they're like, we want you to be on the show. You're a top contender." ([03:00])

Ezra discusses the support he received from dance legend Donny Osmond, who encouraged him to pursue his dreams, emphasizing the positive mentorship in his career.

Choosing Controversial Partners: Anna Delvey Discussion A significant portion of the conversation delves into Ezra's experience dancing with Anna Delvey, a controversial figure on the show. He reflects on the challenges and responsibilities of partnering with someone under intense public scrutiny:

"When she's eliminating, it was like, she has to treat others around her well." ([12:10])

Ezra speaks candidly about supporting Anna through her struggles on the show, maintaining professionalism and empathy despite the negative attention she received.

Utah Culture and Its Influence The discussion shifts to their shared background in Utah, exploring how the state's culture and the Mormon influence have shaped their lives and careers. They discuss iconic Utah brands like Swig and Crumble, and reminiscing about the now-closed water park Seven Peaks:

"Everything's related to the church in Utah. It's like, it runs deep there." ([06:07])

Ezra touches on the complexities of reconciling personal beliefs with the prevalent religious culture, highlighting the importance of finding common ground.

Challenges in the Dance Industry: Pay Equity and Dancer Treatment Trisha and Ezra address the often-overlooked issues within the dance industry, particularly the inadequate pay and lack of recognition for professional dancers. Ezra emphasizes the physical demands and financial disparities faced by dancers:

"Dancers are grossly underpaid and I don't know. And there is the equity." ([31:20])

They advocate for better compensation and union support to ensure dancers are fairly treated and valued for their contributions.

Personal Stories: Coming Out and Family Dynamics Ezra opens up about his personal journey of coming out, detailing the initial backlash from his family and the eventual acceptance and support from his mother:

"She was like, we can't do this. This dance is the reason why you're gay." ([90:50])

He shares the transformative impact of living authentically, illustrating the profound changes that personal courage can inspire in familial relationships.

Behind the Scenes: Touring and Performance Experiences The conversation provides a behind-the-scenes look at the rigors of touring with Dancing with the Stars. Ezra recounts the intense schedule, the camaraderie among dancers, and the emotional toll of constant performances:

"We did 88 shows in under 110 days." ([54:02])

He discusses the physical strain, the support system among dancers, and moments of vulnerability, such as dealing with stage fright and injuries.

Influence of Social Media and Online Engagement Trisha and Ezra explore the role of social media in their careers, particularly the impact of platforms like TikTok and YouTube. They discuss the challenges of maintaining authenticity online and the pressures of constant visibility:

"I really think that's the reason why the fans love him so much." ([07:12])

Ezra highlights how social media shapes public perception and the importance of engaging with audiences in meaningful ways.

Conclusion and Future Plans As the episode wraps up, Trisha and Ezra reflect on their shared experiences and discuss future aspirations. They express mutual support and excitement about potential collaborations, including the possibility of dancing together on future projects:

"If they offered it to me and they're like, and you weren't, I would like it." ([22:00])

The episode concludes on a hopeful note, with both hosts expressing enthusiasm for continued growth and success in their respective fields.

Notable Quotes:

• "You're only as good as your last performance." - Donny Osmond ([99:37])
• "When you're that close to someone, you really see their struggles." - Ezra Sosa ([12:10])

Final Thoughts Episode 196 of Just Trish offers a deep dive into the life and career of Ezra Sosa, illuminating the highs and lows of being a professional dancer in the spotlight. Through candid conversations about industry challenges, personal growth, and the influence of cultural backgrounds, Trisha and Ezra provide listeners with a comprehensive and relatable portrayal of their journeys. This engaging episode not only entertains but also sheds light on important issues within the dance community and beyond.

Transcript

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[A]

You're not scared to have another controversial partner?

[B]

No.

[A]

But maybe you should go with like an Alex Earl who people just like.

[B]

I would like that.

[A]

Yeah. Just so much.

[B]

And honestly too, I. Deep down, I think I manifested Anna Delvey.

[A]

Her name is Trish. She's got the dish and all gossips, filthy rich, hot topic queen and says what everybody thinks.

[B]

She's just.

[A]

Yay. Hello and welcome back to Just Trish. I am so excited about today's guest. You're a TikTok influencer, dancer extraordinaire, reality show king, and also Dancing with the Stars Pro. We have the one and only Ezra.

[B]

What's up? I'm just offended. Like, my microphone is a rhinestone right now.

[A]

We really should have got anyone if your name was T. We have like four of these. We could have just put one up there for you.

[B]

But you could just add like three more dashes and we're good.

[A]

Oh, yeah, that's true. A little E right here. Ezra, What a great name. We were just saying. I like, love that name.

[B]

Yeah, it's biblical.

[A]

It's biblical. Did you feel a connection to it growing up?

[B]

No, not really.

[A]

You didn't feel like?

[B]

I was truthfully named after a Mormon prophet. It was my mom's favorite Mormon prophet, which I find it's so ironic now because, you know.

[A]

Bye. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But I kind of live for that. Maybe Ezra the Prophet was. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. Like, maybe like deep down, like low key. Like, who knows?

[A]

Because there's another. We have a non binary Ezra out there too. The one who plays Flash, right? Yes. So maybe Ezra the Prophet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who knows? We don't know. We don't know the origin.

[B]

I want to know, though. That seems iconic.

[A]

Wait, but first of all, I love you, Todd. I'm really obsessed with, like, Utah culture. Have you been? Yes, I went swig. Yes. I went on tour. We were just talking about tour. Well, because of the secret lives of Mormon wives, I've obviously been obsessed. Yeah. So I love you. I love Donny Osmond. I love Joseph.

[B]

Do you know that I danced for him? Wait.

[A]

Do you know that I was obsessed with him? Like, I go to every show.

[B]

Wait, yes.

[A]

I'm surprised to dance. No, Because I did everything. You were at the Oscars with Ken. You were. So you think in dance, you don't.

[B]

Know this, do you?

[A]

Well, you haven't posted anywhere. I would've seen it.

[B]

It was like, more low key. It was right before I joined Dancing with the Stars. So, like, I was in their audition process, but, like, I thought for some reason I was gonna be on it. So I said yes to Donnie's residency. So I was gonna dance for him for like, two years. And then while I'm doing that, Dancing with the Stars reached out and they're like, we want you to be on the show. You're a top contender. But it's not like 100% sure. And so I was like, oh, my God. And Donnie was gracious enough to be like, you know what? This is your dream. Go and do it. He was like, wait, Donnie said that? Yes.

[A]

Oh, my God. So he did talk to you. You're like, he didn't say that.

[B]

Rehearsal, like we did. Yeah. Just such a good guy. And also, like, I feel like people from Utah have such good, like, grace and manure, like, manners. Like, he knows how, like, treat people, and I really do love that about him.

[A]

Oh, how long were you in rehearsal for with him?

[B]

Like, three weeks. Three, four weeks.

[A]

You were going to do a show? So you learned the whole show? Yeah. Did you learn Mulan with the sticks? Oh, my God. That's the most iconic choreo ever.

[B]

It was the cutest thing. Like, we're in rehearsal and we look out and we're like, why is he out there, like, in the sun? He's like, yeah, Dewey.

[A]

He goes hardcore. He's like. He's my mom thing. He's like 68, I think. And he, like, literally does, like, hardcore dancing. How did you get obsessed with him, Joseph? Yeah, I love. But again, it wasn't. Cause I was like, religious. I just, like, really loved that musical.

[B]

It's a good musical.

[A]

Yeah, it's so good. And I became obsessed with Donnie. And I've seen him every year since I was like 5 years old in like, concerts somehow, like, meeting greet some way. I love him so much. He's like, literally the nicest ever, which is. And he's doing a dance trend right now on Tik Tok. I don't know if it got picked up. I don't think anyone. A lot of people are doing it, seen it.

[B]

I'm not going to lie. It's crazy. I learned. I. I got paid to learn the choreo, like, who's winning Right now.

[A]

That would be crazy, cuz I think some people are doing it, but it's not catching on like it should be.

[B]

You know what I mean? We'll like revamp it up.

[A]

That's so funny. I was thinking of dance trends to do with you and I was, okay, we could do like Dancing Through Life, but I love Donny Osmond more so.

[B]

But can you dance? You're like fully prego.

[A]

Yeah, of course. Of course. I'm going on Dancing with the Stars.

[B]

I'm like, yes, but there's one problem.

[A]

Right When I was. I was looking at the Dancing Through Life choreo and they do a lot of like, jumps and hops. I'm like, oh my God, what if I just like go into labor? I could do it. I was dancing on tour nine months pregnant, so.

[B]

No, you were.

[A]

Yeah. But before we get into the tour, we have to go back to the Utah stuff because we were talking about Utah icons, which is you, Riley.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, so I was thinking of like, Utah. You have to pick one or the other. Okay, so I'm gonna give you a couple, like, Utah icons, and you pick one or the other. Swig. So swig or crumble?

[B]

Swig.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because I like sugar free.

[A]

Okay. Is it sugar free?

[B]

They have sugar free options. But like, like really think, like is sugar free. But like, is it still healthy for you? Nar. But we want to stay skinny, right?

[A]

Sugar free is right. It's probably more.

[B]

Will I die soon? Yeah.

[A]

But they have so much like cupcake, like, sweetener. They have so much like sweeteners you.

[B]

Can'T put into it. But honestly, like, growing up, swig and crumble didn't really become a thing until I was like, later in my teens. So like, when I left, I was like, cute. That's also cute. And then it just blew up and.

[A]

I'm like, didn't know it wasn't part.

[B]

Of your culture, but people are just obsessed with Mormon culture. It's.

[A]

What was Utah like, what was iconic in Utah back then when you were a kid before swig and crumble?

[B]

Seven Peaks.

[A]

What's that?

[B]

It was like. It was like a water park. It was just so iconic.

[A]

Is it not there anymore?

[B]

No, it closed down.

[A]

Is it kind of related to the church somehow?

[B]

Everything's related to the church in Utah. It's like, it runs deep there. Like the religion. Yeah. It is insane.

[A]

We love. But also a lot.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, it's a mixed bag because I grew up there and I love everyone from there, but it's hard knowing that, you know, they don't really necessarily believe in some of the things that I do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or that I am. But also, I don't believe in some of the. That they do either.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So especially with people back at home, like, you just have to find a common ground and just learn how to coexist with each other.

[A]

Even now in, like, 2025, you think it's still, like, a.

[B]

No, no, no. I think it is a thing if you make it a thing.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And, like, every single time I go back home, it's not a thing.

[A]

Right. And not to bring about Donny Osmond again, but, I mean, he has his dancers. You know what I mean? So he's obviously, you know, encouraging that way. What'd you say?

[B]

No, I love him.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, I feel like I actually love this man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Do you think he's kind of hot? Low key?

[A]

Not low key. High key. He's my number one craft.

[B]

I have, like, daddy issues, but I think that's pushing it.

[A]

No, I don't think so. I think he's hot to everybody. I think, like, everybody. Because I go to the meet and greets and they're like, women in their 70s, but yeah, there's also, like, my age.

[B]

He could also, like, swoon. Like, he can really swoon.

[A]

What?

[B]

Spoon Swoon.

[A]

Oh, swoon. What's swoon?

[B]

Like, flirt. Like, you know, I feel like he can do it. Like, he knows how to.

[A]

I think that's why the fans love him so much and going about. Not to make this all about Donny Osmond again, because I do love Donnie. I had him on the podcast, like, two years ago.

[B]

No, really.

[A]

He's my first and my baby favorite guest that I've ever had in my life because I love him so much and he sang with me, but he is. He's so charming and so care. And I only had, like, three episodes of this podcast out, and he was like, yeah, I'll do it.

[B]

That's iconic. Well, he knows your influence.

[A]

Not back then. I feel like nobody cared about me back then, which is nice, though now he.

[B]

He was like, this is crazy. Like, I have to go do her podcast.

[A]

Which is great. He's saying Joseph with me. He was down to do everything that he said. I love the idea. I wish you. Oh, man, I wish you would have been in the show. But I guess dancing with a star is probably.

[B]

No, I had to drop out. And then I became a swing.

[A]

Oh, my God. Well, that's. Yeah. And you're dancing with the stars.

[B]

So I never. I never did a show, but I know the full show.

[A]

Oh, my God. We have to do it after this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Back to the Utah icons. Okay, so you said Swig. Now we're to. Okay. Speaking of Swig became popular on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. So is it Secret Lives of Mormon Wives or Real Housewives of Salt Lake.

[B]

City Lives from Mormon Wives.

[A]

That's controversial. I feel like most people would think the Housewives of slc.

[B]

Oh, I don't know. Like, I think I also feel like I personally know some of the moms, too.

[A]

Oh. From Tick Tock.

[B]

And they're just, like, bad. Like, you know, they're bad. I feel like those moms are just insane in the best way. Like, I remember watching the first season, like, oh, my God, this reminds me of home. I love it. Really?

[A]

Oh, so you know people like that because to me, it seems, like, not real. They seem like characters. Like, they don't even seem like.

[B]

I mean, especially growing up at a dance studio. Like, we have all those, like, rich moms who, like, get lip, get filler. They pull up in their Tesla. But they're all crazy and they're all insane. I'm like, growing up too. I'm like, these need to be on camera.

[A]

Yes. You knew before then. Because I look at them now and I'm like, like you said, Mormons were worried about gay people back in the day. But it's like, I think we need to worry about these kind of women. Like, they're. They're the real threat. The soft swinging. I was like, what. What are we. What are we even talking about? So you, you know Taylor, Frankie, Paul.

[B]

I don't know them personally.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

But the. So one of them actually went to my high school. I think it was Kayla. Kaylee.

[A]

Is she her age? 24.

[B]

Yeah, a lot of them are.

[A]

They're all young.

[B]

Yeah, well, that's like Mormon culture. Like, you have kids young.

[A]

Oh, so like, Taylor, Frankie Paul is like, how old do you think?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

She has, like, three kids.

[B]

Maybe she's a little bit older. Three kids? She probably got one, like, a year and then took a year off and then.

[A]

Oh, man, they're old. They're older. They're like seven and eight and she's so. I always thought she was older, but.

[B]

Oh, sheesh. No, I know Jen's like, 25.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. I didn't know this in Whitney. God, I have no idea.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so you don't know any of them personally. You just like, love them.

[B]

I just, like, love them.

[A]

You watch the show?

[B]

Of course I watched.

[A]

Do you really watching it? Yeah, I watched the first season. The second season just seemed really. Seemed really rough because not even the women. I love the women.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I think it's the husbands that I'm like. I don't know about them. Jen even like, Jen Affleck. I was just like, what?

[B]

Like, I honestly like him. Not gonna lie.

[A]

I mean, he's.

[B]

I met. I met him and Jen when they came to see Dancing with the Stars. They came to a taping. And honestly, you haven't been.

[A]

I went. The first season, like, season one. Yeah. What. When was Mario Lopez on? That's when I was on.

[B]

Oh, I think that was later.

[A]

And Drew Lachey. I was on. Not on. I was like, in the crowd.

[B]

We have to come back and watch. Or like, you have to, like, go back and do.

[A]

Would love both. I don't know if I. Soon as I saw Alex Earl announced this season, I was like, I don't know if I'm. I don't think I'm gonna be picked because there's always one influencer. I think I'm. I think I'm out.

[B]

You'd be surprised.

[A]

No, we only had one. We've only had one influencer per season. Right. It's like Charlie was. Yeah.

[B]

But also know, like, the demo is changing.

[A]

They're just trying to get.

[B]

You think they're gonna try to cater to Gen Z or are they going to cater to the audience? They have.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Which is gonna be really interesting for you. They. I mean, honestly, I don't know, but, like, I do know. Like, I do know, like, the names get that get thrown in.

[A]

But how do you know that?

[B]

Just through the grapevine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you. As you can imagine, like, it's our whole life.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And, like, who you get as a partner, like, basically changes your whole year. I mean, I got Anna Delvey, like.

[A]

Which is so insane. Were you so excited? Because she was probably the most iconic. No shade dancing stars, but that's probably one of the biggest names. Right.

[B]

As a gay man, I was very excited.

[A]

Okay, so you're like, this is. Yes, we're going to work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Diva.

[B]

I was on the treadmill when I. When I got the call. Like, she was my partner, and I just remember being like, what the. I always almost fell off. Like, I was, like, freaking out.

[A]

So someone calls you, like, your agent calls you, and you're like, okay, you're partner with an Adelphi.

[B]

Yeah, well, they. Sometimes they don't tell you, like, who your partner is. Like, you walk in, and that's your partner.

[A]

What do you mean? You walk into the studio, that's your partner.

[B]

But, like, if it's, like, a rare case, like, and, like, she's definitely, like, a rare case. They had to, like, call me, let me know. Being like, yo, this is your partner. She's in. Under house arrest in New York. You're going have to train down there. So they have to, like, obviously tell me these things because they're like, you're leaving in four days.

[A]

Oh, my God. And you're just like, sure.

[B]

I'm like, that. Period. Let's do it.

[A]

And she was. Okay. We saw how it happened on the show, and obviously, it looks a little awkward and she looks a little whatever, but you kind of love her. You always stick up for her. You have, like, a tattoo of nothing on your back.

[B]

Yeah, I do. Yeah.

[A]

So you kind of, like, lived for her.

[B]

I definitely. I think, too, when you're. When you're that close to someone, you really see their struggles and, like, what they go through. And doing that show is a very vulnerable experience. So I can only imagine for her how exposing it was. And she just got so much heat and, like, I don't know. I just. It was just really hard to be around that. And, like, especially being a pro on the show, it is my job to make sure that they have a good experience.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So when she wasn't. When she wasn't, like, that wasn't happening, I was like, oh, like.

[A]

And it was your first season.

[B]

Yeah. So it's a. It's a hard one. It's a hard one for sure.

[A]

Did that. The producer or anything? Like, are they trying to encourage you? Be like, this is not how it always goes? Because if it was me, I'd be like, I can't do this again.

[B]

Yeah. I was told even after I was eliminated, they're like, we understand. Like, we gave you. Like, we gave you a hard one.

[A]

Why they paired you up with her? I love her too, but I'm like.

[B]

Of all the people, I think they knew I was gonna embrace her no matter what.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like, I think even when, like, they told me it was her, I was like, I have to rhinestone her ankle monitor. And they're, like, laughing like, yeah. Like, I honestly don't think anyone else could have done that. Like, really see the camp behind her doing the show and really run for it. I think everyone else would have taken it, like, so serious and, like, oh, I would have Been out first and, you know, been more competitive about it. Not as light hearted.

[A]

She was pretty good.

[B]

She was pretty good.

[A]

Like, the gag is like, wait, why did she get voted? I guess just her attitude. People don't like me.

[B]

Yeah. And also too, like, she's a convicted felon. Like, people didn't like, that's like, like, like she wasn't like. What do you mean? She was a good, like, bro. Like, she's a convicted fella.

[A]

That is crazy. It is wild. I was at the first one on Dancing with the Stars Again, nothing wrong with it. I feel like I'm all about, like, prison reformation, all that stuff like that. There's nothing wrong with it. But she the first.

[B]

I definitely feel like there is one before. I mean, they had like Carole Baskin. They had like, they're always. There's always like a controversial pick every year.

[A]

Okay, so she was the interesting. I just think of Dancing Stars as so wholesome, but I'm like, yeah, I guess they've had like Harry Josie on and stuff.

[B]

I definitely feel like they're starting to get a little bit more like, go like they know, like, they like the buzz behind things.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because really think about it, like, either you hated her or loved her. You were tuning in anyway.

[A]

That's so true. And she was. You guys were the most talked about couple. Like, you just see so many of the memes and so many. And it's only one week.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, two weeks.

[A]

Oh, two weeks. Okay, that's good. That's good. Okay, you first.

[B]

Know I was first. They sent home two people first, like two couples.

[A]

I see. Damn. And then for the rest of the season, then are you, Are you still part of, like, ensemble or are you just done?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I just dance like whenever they need me. I'm like, I'm still getting paid.

[A]

Oh, right.

[B]

I still have to, like, show up.

[A]

That's what I always wonder too, about the celebrities. I was like, cuz, like, I did somebody. Big brother. And like, even if you're the first eliminated, you get paid what you were promised. Even if you're the first eliminated so you don't have to make it. Like, if I made it three months in or one week, you get paid the same.

[B]

Wait, you did slow? Yeah, I remember the pizza, but I.

[A]

Quit and so I didn't get the money. You have to call it. Yeah, nice.

[B]

At least you got your pizza.

[A]

The pizza. I didn't get the money. I was like, do I get some money or no money? Because it was like, they're like, no, you have to be eliminated to get that full money. And I was like, damn it.

[B]

Oh, they finessed you.

[A]

They did finesse me. I only got a little quarter of it. If I did Dancing the Stars, I wouldn't quit.

[B]

I'd be like, well, we're still going every week.

[A]

I love, I love dancing stars. I always have. I used to do my own Dancing with the Stars. Like, I used to like, rent the studio. We're Dancing with the Stars, remember? Ida? I don't think it's there anymore.

[B]

Yes, International Day. What the hell? Yeah.

[A]

Is it still there?

[B]

No, no, I think they call it. Is it, Is it the one with the arches windows?

[A]

No, that's 3rd Street. The Ida is the one that was like upstairs. It's like on Hollywood Boulevard. And you had to go upstairs. No, see, that's like so old because I was doing that like 10 years ago. And I would see all the dancing stars people, I thought maybe if I dance there they'll like get discovered. But all my dancing videos has the Dancing with the Stars logo because they would, like rehearse there.

[B]

You're such a hustler.

[A]

Everybody was getting cast. It's fine, it's fine. I'm.

[B]

No, we're going to know.

[A]

Honestly, like, I manifested it.

[B]

I will say I've been hyping you. The I've been hyping you, say the least.

[A]

I only want us. I swear, if they offered it to me and they're like, and you weren't, I would, I would not take it. Ever.

[B]

Why?

[A]

No, I mean, not to be. Whatever. I don't want to make it about sexuality. I just don't know. And it's nothing against the pros. I just don't know if I love a straight man energy, you know, especially straight men, dancers.

[B]

They're very like, stern. Like a lot of the pros, like, that's how they were like trained and that's how they were taught growing up. So they have a very, like, serious way of teaching. Like with me, it's a little bit more light hearted and fun.

[A]

Yeah, you're like so fun and chill. And I also just feel, I don't know, not to get like, whatever, but it's like, you know, there's always those romances, you know, and I'm always just like. Not that I would be that person, but I would just be like. That's why I love how he's behind the camera. I know for sure. Because, you know, you don't think you're that person, but then you're like, damn, it happens a lot. You know, I'm dancing with the stars.

[B]

It happens to, like, the people who don't even, like, expect it. They're just, like, vibing and chilling. Everyone's like, I need to fall in love.

[A]

I'm like, bro, my biggest one was the Shark Tank guy falling in love with Kim. And I was like, yes.

[B]

And she better get her bag.

[A]

Is she better?

[B]

I'm like, give me that. Like, I want.

[A]

That is so interesting. So do you think they would have another same sex couple?

[B]

I definitely feel like it's gonna happen.

[A]

And I don't even think it should even be like, a gay guy with a gay guy. Like, you think, like, a straight guy would be cool? You know what I mean? Because, like, when JoJo did do it, it was everything. I wouldn't necessarily want to be with the girl because I do fear I would be. What do they call them? The base. Who's the person who's like, the leader of the follow? I would be the guy. I don't know what that's called.

[B]

The lead. Yeah. You'd be leading.

[A]

Yeah. Because I'm sure I'd be like, lifting that.

[B]

Well, you have, like, very, like. I don't know. You're not. Like. I don't think you're passive as a person. Like, you're very dominant. So you could be a good lead.

[A]

No, but, no, also, I'm not strong, so I'm gonna have to be. Jojo was strong. She was. You. Me lift you? What am I?

[B]

Wait, give me a hook. Give me a push. No, A push. No.

[A]

I feel like, what am I?

[B]

You have great connection.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel I'm horrible. And I'm also very weak. So I don't think I could lift up a girl. Like, when JoJo was lifting her up, I was like, damn, that's.

[B]

She's strong as hell.

[A]

She's very. Is she. You know, you're friends with her.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She loves. Just tell her I do like her.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I do feel like she thinks I, like, hate her. And I don't at all. I always. I always love Jojo. I've actually never said anything bad about her. I actually love her.

[B]

I think it's interesting because, I mean, I talk to her all the time about it. People, I think, forget that she's a person at the end of the day.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she's. But when people see her, they don't see that. They see Jojo. They see the Persona.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I feel like it's hard for Me, because I know her personally and I love her. She's my best friend and. And I'll, like, write till dawn for her, but it's hard when other people just don't see that side.

[A]

Do you think we don't have to go much in JoJo because she's, like, not here. And I love her in JoJo. If you ever want to come on the podcast, I love you. And you can have full edit. Because I'm not a griller. I would never like girl people, especially in person. I'm always. I'm never going to be like, stop. You know what I mean? But because I relate to her in the way that I feel like she does troll a little bit. Right. Don't you think? Or not.

[B]

I mean, she knows how to. She knows how to do the Internet. She knows how to. I mean, I do it, too. We all do it.

[A]

Yeah. Yes. You are very good at it as well as getting the attention. And I just think, like, sometimes me, that's why people don't see the real her. Right. Because I trolled for so long, I'm like, I'm actually a good person. They're like, what are you? You know, because they see such a. Like a. A character.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know? Anyways, I love her.

[B]

I know. I love her, too.

[A]

Tell her.

[B]

Tell her that I'll be like, yo, Trisha says hi, and that she loves you.

[A]

I was banding her podcast not to get, like, drama. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, I didn't even do her podcast.

[A]

It was that three people are banned. Candace Cameron Bray, Candace Owens, and Trisha Paytas.

[B]

Sounds like.

[A]

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[B]

No.

[A]

But maybe you should go with, like, an Alex Earl who people just like.

[B]

I would like that.

[A]

Yeah. Just.

[B]

And honestly, to a deep down, I think, hey, I manifested Anna Delvey.

[A]

Wait, why were you.

[B]

Because, like, I don't know, like, every year, like, that controversial person would come on and, like, I'll be telling everyone's like, yo, give me that. Like, I want that. It's, like, iconic.

[A]

So you, like, want it. Are you. Do you know if you're back for this season?

[B]

I don't know if I'm back.

[A]

Okay. They don't tell you until, like, when, a week before. You're just saying that.

[B]

No, I mean, I truthfully, like, so think of it, logistically, they're not going to cast their dancers if they don't have their celebrities.

[A]

But I'm sure they have their celebrities by now. Right? Because it's like, you don't know that a couple months away.

[B]

And I think this year, if they would have it before, it's now. But even still, they're probably not going to tell us if we're signed on or if we're a partner is because then we're gonna, like, go train with them. And that just defeats the whole purpose.

[A]

And you're not allowed to do that.

[B]

No, it's. I mean, I don't. There's no set rule.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But I think that's an unfair advantage.

[A]

So you and I can't just go start rehearsing? Like, let's go right now?

[B]

Yeah. Like, not at all.

[A]

Like, me looking through dance videos.

[B]

I'm like, wait, can I show you something?

[A]

Yes, I would love.

[B]

This is in my Dancing with the Stars dream playlist.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And this is if we're partners.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

And this will be Disney night one day.

[A]

Okay. Love that we're making it that far.

[B]

Yeah, of course we are. To the end. To the end.

[A]

Oh, yeah. This is us dancing. Moses put it there for our thing.

[B]

Wait, really?

[A]

Yeah, that's. That's.

[B]

Wait, why do I feel like that's.

[A]

You're. Lift me up like that after I'm done being pregnant. I'm like, 70 right now.

[B]

I'll let you up. I'll let you high up in the sky.

[A]

Are you strong?

[B]

Yeah, I'm strong. Yes, you. You have. If you're a pro, like, you have to be.

[A]

You have to lift.

[B]

Yes. Well, also, too, like, you don't have to, but I think if you can do it.

[A]

Are they legal? I thought lifts were illegal in certain styles.

[B]

In every style.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. Wait, listen. Ready?

[A]

I love Lift. Yeah.

[B]

Okay, picture. It's Disney night. Everybody's always talking at me.

[A]

Lose yourself to get the true. I love it. We go back to Utah. We go back to St. George and rehearse. I would absolutely gag. Are we both Troy then?

[B]

Yeah. No, it's gonna be you. It's gonna be like a bunch of Troys. I think that's the only way to do it. It's gonna, like, start out you. I think, like, you're in front of a mirror, but psych. I'm on the other side.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And then I bust through, and then you. Next thing you know, there's like 50 million Troy Boltons.

[A]

I'm gonna cry.

[B]

You tell me that's not gonna win a mirror ball right there.

[A]

Oh, my God. That would be. Please let us make a Disney night. Please let me get cast it. If it's not this season, I'll wait till. What are we on season 40? Let me be on. At some point, they're gonna run out.

[B]

Be like Trisha season X. Yeah, I.

[A]

Already feel like it. I mean, they did get some good ones already this season, but I would.

[B]

Be shocked if you never did. You have to do this. Like, it's gonna happen.

[A]

I thought it was because I was controversial, but Harry Jowsey, Anna Delvey, I was like, all right, come on, guys.

[B]

No, no, no. You were chillin my guy. You were chilling.

[A]

Because we're so long. It was always just like, oh, they're really wholesome. They're really this.

[B]

I remember gassing you up because when your team invited me to go see your Broadway show, oh, my God.

[A]

I was gag that you.

[B]

I was like, on tour and be like, guys, guess where I'm going tomorrow? I'm like, I'm gonna see Trisha's this big Broadway dream. Like, who's that? I'm like, what do you mean?

[A]

Okay, not who's that.

[B]

I'm like, I'm gonna sit down and educate you.

[A]

Did you have to tell them because you were on tour.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you had to, like, because you were in New Jersey. Was that right?

[B]

I actually. I don't remember where I was.

[A]

You were somewhere. You're like, we were just in New Jersey. And you're like. Because I was so shocked. Shocked to see you was at the beginning of tour. I've been trying to get you on here, but you were on tour till, like, April.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So then when I saw you at the Broadway show, I was like, kind of gas, period.

[B]

Yeah. Because it was my day off.

[A]

We're represented by the same agency? Cause no. Oh, girl. Why do I not know that?

[B]

Because we're not at the same tax bracket.

[A]

First of all, you're on Dancing with the Stars. You're on tour. You're doing everything. Because my agent, like, knew someone that you were with and, like, oh, the Ezra. Like, we want to get you guys on the podcast together. I'm like, well, I've been talking to Ezra, so I don't know. It was, like, weird.

[B]

Wait, who?

[A]

I don't have my phone. It was through my agents, though. Then they're like, oh, we can get Ezra on the podcast. I was like, why?

[B]

At least they know.

[A]

I'm like, of course. No, you're iconic. No, you came to the Broadway shown as gay. Because also, you're very, like. Like. Like, everyone's beautiful on tv, but in person, you're like, so. Like, you stand out because there was, like. It was like, this little bar, and there were so many people, and you just, like, are literally, like, glowing.

[B]

You should say that, like, one more time. Like, how gorgeous. How gorgeous.

[A]

I am gorgeous. That's what I was most struck by. I was like. Because I guess dancing stars, you think everyone's beautiful, so you're like, okay, of course everyone's beautiful. But then you just see him in person, and I'm just like.

[B]

But it's also hard when you're, like, dancing next to glub you. Glove is. Have you seen Glove in person?

[A]

No, but I do think on TV you look better. I mean, I love. Again, no, shade. You do look better than him. Thank you. For sure. And younger. Not that younger.

[B]

You're not just saying that?

[A]

Swear. You know me, Donny Osmond. Okay, you might have some competition.

[B]

I have to say, though, when I first taught Gleb. Not first taught. Like, sometimes I'll have to teach some of the pros because, like, back in the day, they wouldn't be there for pro rehearsal. So as troop, we'd have to learn it and then teach it to them. So there would be times where to have to, like, teach him, like, the opening number. Because, like, he was in. His partner was in, like, New York, and he couldn't be there. So he has to show up and I have to teach to him.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

There's been times when, like, I'll literally teach him, and I literally will teach him the wrong part.

[A]

Oh, wait, why?

[B]

Because he's just so hard. Like, he would just be like, ezra, you look great today. And I'm like, yeah, he's so good.

[A]

Really? Okay. Well, we have different tastes. I mean, I do think, of course, attractive, but definitely different taste. Yeah. What is your taste again? Truly Dancing with the Stars Prose. I think you. And I think that's the only reason I would want to dance with you, too, because I want to find the person attractive.

[B]

We have to do it.

[A]

I know. No, I'm so serious. I've always. Again, not shaded, but I'm always like. I don't know about any of these guys on there.

[B]

I was fooling on a date, and I don't even know how you're mentioned. I was like, oh, my God. I'm doing their podcast. And they're like, no way. And they're like, for real. I would go straight for Trisha Paytas.

[A]

Stop it. Oh, my God.

[B]

Are you gonna date with me or heraldate?

[A]

Where's he at? Where did you meet him? Where's he at? When was this?

[B]

I mean, it was just like a. I'm never seeing him again.

[A]

Wait, why? Because you like me?

[B]

Yeah, I'm like, you need to like me. Not my partner, not my potential partner.

[A]

I mean, that would have been. Though I love when a boyfriend likes me because I do have a lot of gay friends, and if their boyfriend doesn't like me.

[B]

Love you.

[A]

Some of them. Some are evil gays out there that try to, like, sabotage, like, a lot of my gay friends if they start dating a new guy and they don't like me. They try to sabotage. It's very rare.

[B]

But that's iconic, though.

[A]

I kind of think that, too. Okay. Threatened by me.

[B]

Like, by me.

[A]

It's crazy when I like me better. So you're never seeing this guy again? What happened?

[B]

I mean, I just invited.

[A]

No, you mean. Are you on an apps?

[B]

I'm on. I'm on, like, hinge. Raya. I feel like you know all the gays, so please hook me up.

[A]

Yes, I do. Yeah. You know what's so funny? I know a lot of single gays, and they all have the same problem. Nobody wants to. They always say nobody wants a serious relationship, but I'm like, okay, I know at least 20 that want one, and none of them like each other. It's very. It's very difficult.

[B]

I mean, I'm also, like, 24, so I'm not, like, looking to, like, get locked down.

[A]

Oh, so you just want to have fun? Okay, I think.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, also, too, like, three months of my year on a show, and then besides that, I'm touring for six months, so it's like, oh, yeah, you're.

[A]

Like, and touring and dating must be so hard. You said you wouldn't like date people here and there, but it's like hard to do.

[B]

Yeah, it is. It is really hard.

[A]

And no, fellow dancers, you're not into dating another dancer.

[B]

I just know how much they get paid. I'm not gonna.

[A]

I mean, is that, you know. What can I tell you? That is like the biggest. What is it called? Inequity. I don't know what it is. Dancers are always paid the lowest on music videos, all the time. Tours, projects. Not my dancers. We have the set budget and the like contract or whatever. I always pay more because I'm always like. They provide the most entertainment. My tour would be so boring if I didn't have like four dancers behind me because I've seen other people just go out there and karaoke and I'm like, nothing.

[B]

I hear you can still rock it on stage by yourself though.

[A]

I definitely.

[B]

I would pay to see that just by myself. Anyone else back at home?

[A]

No. Even music videos. The dancers make it. Everyone makes it. I don't. And they put their bodies through so much. Like they're always. I have dancers now. I have to have older dancers. Older. I'm 37, so I have to have older dancers. And everyone's just like in salt baths and like cold punches afterwards.

[B]

Yeah, it's a lot of work.

[A]

Yeah. The bodies.

[B]

What was your. How many. What was your show schedule? Like? How many shows would you do?

[A]

We did 35 in. But like in four months we went out on the weekends.

[B]

Yeah, but I wasn't your whole tour, like, sold out?

[A]

Yeah, most of them. Houston was not really. Yeah, I don't know. I was up with Houston. It was like 70 capacity.

[B]

Yeah, that's how I was selling you off. I was telling all the pros, I'm like, well, she just sold out. Radio City music halls.

[A]

Well, that is.

[B]

Yeah, you better. I don't know.

[A]

It's very ebb and flow. Because I did a tour six years ago and I couldn't even sell 50 tickets. So it's very.

[B]

I mean, I. I definitely feel like what. You don't know what people would pay to watch, but I would definitely pay to watch you. Thank you.

[A]

Yeah. Doing Radio City wasn't. Yeah, it was a little nerve wracking because people come. Hugh Jackman was just there with like a 50 piece orchestra and I was like, here's me with like four dancers. Which, by the way, shout out to the four dancers because they carried the.

[B]

No, they ate.

[A]

Yeah, they ate. So Hard. And then Broadway was cool.

[B]

But anyway, I do like how you pay your dancers more.

[A]

Oh, always. And they were like, even Pride, because it was a one. One show thing. And obviously you get paid for rehearsals and stuff, but I'm like, they're coming all the way to Washington, D.C. they're showing their butts. I do always do a bump, too. If you're gonna show. Like, you're gonna get a bump for that.

[B]

I wish I got that bump.

[A]

Isn't that crazy? I know that they don't get paid more. I was like, if you're gonna rip off your, like, little cheeks, like, you're gonna get paid more.

[B]

I think the least amount of clothes I wore was when I did RuPaul's Drag Race.

[A]

Yes, I saw you on that. You did All Stars?

[B]

Yeah, I did All Stars.

[A]

Okay. And did you get. Did you find it higher rate because you had to show your body?

[B]

No, I think I got like.

[A]

But that's what I'm saying. And it's like, I get it. And it's like the art and it's the prestige and all that stuff like that, but it's actually insane.

[B]

You're, like, insane. I was like, wait, what? That's insane.

[A]

It's. It's wild. No, I. Dancers are grossly underpaid and I don't know. And there. There is an equity. Equity. Is that it?

[B]

There's a union.

[A]

Yeah. And yet nothing.

[B]

But it's under the actors union. So I think it gets overshadowed a.

[A]

Little bit and just everything your bodies are through. Because, like I said, a lot of my dancers are now getting close to 40, and it's just like their bodies have just gone through so much.

[B]

And then I just think it's kind of how they set up the system. All dancers feel like they're against each other, and there's no sense of, like, unity in the community. So I don't feel like they feel like they can band together because they're fighting each other for work, if that makes sense.

[A]

It's so sad. Cause, like, Yeah, I guess. I don't know.

[B]

But also, like, when you started the industry, like, how much free stuff would you do?

[A]

Yeah. When you're starting.

[B]

When you're starting.

[A]

But if you're starting to dance for, like, Beyonce and Britney Spears, your. Your pay should go up. You know what I mean? Especially, like, you're on Dancing with the Stars, like, it be. That's like the ultimate for dancers.

[B]

I feel for as far as pay, it's the best you can get.

[A]

Yeah. And you Love it.

[B]

Freaking. I mean, I turned my whole life to do the show.

[A]

And you. So you started out in ballroom? Let's go back to Utah again. You started out in ballroom?

[B]

Yeah, I. No, I actually started out in ballet.

[A]

How old?

[B]

I was like 6, 7.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

When I started, we have a.

[A]

We have a three year old boy in my daughter's class. I was like, okay, work.

[B]

Okay, work in those tights. You better plea.

[A]

I know. He's kind of everything. He gives. He's the only one in a class of girls. I'm gonna love it.

[B]

Yo, he's gonna be up on that stage. I think so too.

[A]

I kind of love that.

[B]

I was like that too, as a kid.

[A]

Okay, so you were with a class of girls? Probably mostly.

[B]

Well, actually the studio that I went to trained ballroom. So at a young age. So I actually got into dance because my sister was dancing and I just wanted to be with my sister. Freaking. Love my sister. And I remember taking ballet class and my artistic artistic director, she was like, how do you feel about ballroom? And I was like, no, I don't want to do it. Like I literally at the time, I just like cooties. Like, I didn't want to dance with the girl, which I think is so ironic.

[A]

Oh, were you like scared of girls?

[B]

I don't know. I just feel like girls.

[A]

I was like, ooh, yeah, you don't want to touch. Even middle school, I was like, I don't want to touch a guy.

[B]

Yeah, it was probably cuz, like I was a little homosexual.

[A]

But did you want to. You weren't wanting to dance with guy? I think at that age, you don't know.

[B]

I don't feel like I just wanted to dance inside.

[A]

You knew? Yeah, yeah.

[B]

That's like deep down I was like, yeah, but that's how we got into it. That's really.

[A]

Did you know what ballroom was at 6? When they. Do you want to do ballroom or do you even know what that it means?

[B]

I remember seeing it and being like, like, yeah, I want to do it.

[A]

Okay, interesting.

[B]

And it's also, it's also Latin dances. I'm Hispanic, Right. So I feel like for my parents too, they really pushed for me doing that because of my Latin roots and they just really want. And I mean, honestly, ballroom isn't really the place to really get down to your roots because it's very. What's the word?

[A]

Like watered down.

[B]

Watered down. I mean, like basically someone, some guy like saw all these like social dances and then put a technique to it.

[A]

It.

[B]

And then that's what ballroom is. So it's not necessarily like I'm learning the actual cultural roots, but I was just dancing it, and I. I loved it. I really did.

[A]

So, like, salsa, like, pasta double and stuff? Is that, like, you don't think salsa is more social?

[B]

Pasta Doble's Ballroom.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know there was a dance.

[B]

Oh, my God. Am I gonna give you your first? Yes. I love it.

[A]

Wait, but isn't salsa at Dancing with the Stars?

[B]

No, they do salsa, but it's. It's still technically a social dance, but it's still under the umbrella.

[A]

Give me the social dances.

[B]

Social dances are like, that you can do on the show. Yeah, I think salsa.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Or Argentine tango is technically.

[A]

I hate the Argentine tango.

[B]

No.

[A]

Do you love it? I hate it.

[B]

I do like it.

[A]

I skip it.

[B]

What's your favorite. What's your favorite style to watch?

[A]

Swing.

[B]

Swing.

[A]

I love a swing. Yeah, I love a swing.

[B]

You have, like. I definitely see your personality and, like, swing.

[A]

I think I would be horrible because I did have a knee injury, not to be, like, a dancer, but I did have a knee injury, like, back in the day. It's like, on my. When I did those dance videos, I was getting so skinny. I was doing these dance videos. I literally was, like, paying choreographers to, like, teach me Dancing with the Star style routines. Like, yeah, I have, like, 100 videos of me dancing for, like, four years. Love dancing. And then the final one we did. You can see it on camera happen. We did Normani's motivation, and it was.

[B]

I saw that.

[A]

Okay. I saw that the first two times. Third time I did, all I did was, like, a little hop over him. That's it. My knee just completely went out underneath me. Just, like, it just like. Like, completely. I was in so much pain for, like, a full year and still in pain from it. So I think I really effed up my knee and can never dance like I used to. But if we. If I could have done Dancing Stars pre 2019 would have won 100. But now I'm, like, scared because my knee hurts all the time.

[B]

No, but people love you even getting up on me.

[A]

Have you ever had any injuries? Because even getting up on, like, mate.

[B]

I have injuries.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Especially coming on tour like, those. They're inevitable.

[A]

So what do you do?

[B]

We travel with the pt.

[A]

Oh, and so help. Does it work?

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

I did some PT on my knee, and I don't know. It wasn't helping me.

[B]

Did you go to the right diva? It doesn't sound like it was one.

[A]

Of those chain ones, you know?

[B]

Oh, not the Walmart pizza.

[A]

It was one of those. Yeah, it was a chain one for sure.

[B]

I could hook you up with my diva.

[A]

Really? That works? I just mind. I was. I was trying acupuncture. I was trying everything for my knee because it hurts so bad. This is why I'm saying you. Everyone needs. Every dancer needs a pay raise. If you're someone who. You know, who pays their dance. Good. Erica Jane, too. She always gives them, like, a big pay rate.

[B]

JoJo paid us really good, too.

[A]

Okay. Love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because there's some. We'll bleep this part out, obviously.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Some people don't pay, and that's. That's even more bullshit.

[B]

It's. It's really interesting.

[A]

Yeah. And. But it says a lot about dancers that do it just because they love it, too. You know what I mean?

[B]

And I love those dancers. I love meeting people like that.

[A]

I do, too. Oh, my. No, that's what I'm saying. All the dancers who've come on board, I've been, like, doing it just because they, like, love it, because it's always, like, low. But I'm giving everyone extra because you guys are so.

[B]

No matter what, like, if someone's dancing on the street or, like, even the Disneyland parade, I'll always stop and just support. Like, every single time I see a performer or dancer, just. I think at the end of the day, they just want to be seen and heard.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For their art and for their passion. So no matter what, I'm just gonna give it to them.

[A]

Yeah. Just like. That is. That's so true. And dancing is such a release. Like, I do love. I'm not a great dancer, but I do love it because it's just such a release to, like, express yourself.

[B]

I think you're good.

[A]

Thanks. I think I'm not bad. I don't know if I'm here.

[B]

You're better than Anna Delvey, that's for sure.

[A]

I don't know about that. Maybe I have a better attitude.

[B]

You do.

[A]

We'll see. We'll see what happens.

[B]

The thing about her as well, too, is, like, she could do it, but, like, she just didn't want to.

[A]

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[B]

His name was Chaz Bazan.

[A]

Okay. Love that you do right away.

[B]

Yeah, No, I just remember watching growing up and he always had these like, dope, you know, like improv. It's when you just play music and just like do whatever the you want.

[A]

Oh, like freestyle.

[B]

Yeah, freestyle 100.

[A]

Hate that. Is there a freestyle challenge on Dancing with the Stars?

[B]

They do variations of it, but like there is a freestyle at the end of the show.

[A]

But it's choreographed.

[B]

It is choreographed.

[A]

Okay. Not one where they just like throw you in there. Like go, let's like they did that.

[B]

This year with instant dances.

[A]

Oh, hell no.

[B]

They, they give you like two minutes to do your, your dance and you do that. This past season I did not do that.

[A]

Oh, with the partners.

[B]

Yeah. I was watching. So I was living for that. Everyone was like struggling. I was like, hey, hey.

[A]

That's my biggest fear is when people do like a little circle and they're like, can you go in? I'm like, no. Oh, that's me. That's me dancing.

[B]

Just start shaking. All you have to do.

[A]

That's what I do mostly.

[B]

Chaz is from, he's from Arizona.

[A]

Okay. And he's on what?

[B]

He just toured with artists. He does like Madonna. He's like more of a low key dancer, but I just really like loved Watching him growing up and you were like that.

[A]

So have you ever met him?

[B]

Yeah, I've worked with him. Yeah, he's great.

[A]

What'd you work with him on?

[B]

Like, as a kid? He would, like, teach me class and stuff.

[A]

Oh, so you, like, knew him?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. And then you got to look up.

[B]

But also too, like, once Dancing with the Stars, like, I grew up. I grew up dancing with a lot of the pros on the show. So, like, Jenna Johnson is like my number one.

[A]

Oh, my. So as a kid, they're teaching or what? Or how are you dancing with them?

[B]

Jenna Johnson, actually. What? Came from my studio. My dance studio. So when I was Chaz Bian's. Not for my studio though.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But growing up, when I was at my studio, I was like 12, and it was her senior year in high school.

[A]

Wow. So Jen isn't the one who's on Dancing with the Stars. She's married to Maxim.

[B]

To Val, the other guy.

[A]

They're brothers. Yeah, see, I know I know someone. So she was in. She was in your same school. So you like, worked with her.

[B]

Do you just remember seeing her?

[A]

Yeah, she is at the time, though.

[B]

No, she wasn't.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

She went on to do so youo think you can dance. Dancing stars and everyone be like, trajectory. That was my trajectory. I was like, I wanted to do that.

[A]

Oh, interesting. Is that how everyone kind of starts? Because it seems to be that way. Everyone's on. So you think a dance and then does that.

[B]

Well, it's. They obviously want to hire dancers that people know.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, that have some public. Because also too, like being a pro on the show, you wear a lot of hats. Like, you're not just teaching how to dance. You're also like producing. You're also like low key babysitting. You have to be like a TV personality.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So there's all these things that go into it when you do. So you think it kind of gives you bump from everyone else. Because you have on camera experience. You know how to work how hard it is to work. Like on a week to week schedule. Like Dancing with the Stars is. So I think those are things that they kind of clock before you even join the show.

[A]

So when you're doing so you think you dance, it's not just like open auditions. They already know the people they're gonna have on the show.

[B]

Kind of like Dancing with the Stars.

[A]

So you think you can dance.

[B]

So you have to audition for so youo Think you can Dance.

[A]

But like, they obviously go to studios and stuff. So they're obviously like scouting you a little bit.

[B]

Yeah, I had to go to New York and audition. So they're not.

[A]

You know, back in the day, they used to show like lines of people just like regular people lining up to audition. It's not like that you did, but it was fake. That's what I'm saying. So someone kind of scouted you. Yeah, mine too. America's Got Talent.

[B]

I started to. Oh, my God. I did America's Got Talent.

[A]

I know. I. I don't know this. I saw it, but I didn't see it.

[B]

Yeah, no. I mean, obviously not notable at all.

[A]

Is it not out there, your performance? I was trying to look.

[B]

No, it's not.

[A]

Because I saw that. I saw it like on one of those pages, you know, And I was like, wait, but what did he do on there? What did you do?

[B]

I did like a dance troupe with my studio. So my dance teacher, you love her, Kim Del Grosso, she hustled us at a young age.

[A]

Okay. Abby Lee style.

[B]

She's a little bit more level headed than me.

[A]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. So you had a hardcore.

[B]

Yeah, but she knows her and that's why I loved Kim. But like, even growing up, I did AGT for two seasons from like 15 to 16, and then 17, 18 I did World of Dance and then 18, I did so youo Think youk Can Dance and then went on to Dancing with the Stars. So you can see like, like, you can see like. She definitely opened doors for me to like, get accustomed to certain producers that worked on the show or how it is to work on an environment at a young age at this point. No, I didn't graduate high school.

[A]

Wow. Well, yeah, I guess when you're like doing all that, it's like kind of hard too.

[B]

No, I don't condone it though.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, you know, you're doing your thing.

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, if you can do. But I was just like, so.

[A]

Oh, that's. Your parents are like, totally cool. I would have loved to have dropped.

[B]

Out of my parents. My parents were like, like die hardcore dance parents.

[A]

Okay. Love that. So they were totally.

[B]

They're like, we're 100. You go live your dream and like, look at you.

[A]

You're like, totally living it off.

[B]

That was worth it.

[A]

Especially dancers like you said, you know, notably just not having the career longevity. At some point, your body wears out, the pay, all that stuff like that. I love that they were still supportive even though it wasn't like Doctor for Life. So wait, so America's Got Talent. You're doing at 15, 16. So you don't audition? You didn't audition? You weren't like an act on the show?

[B]

I was an act both seasons.

[A]

Seasons. Oh, and there's no footage of it.

[B]

I mean, we like. Do you know how they don't air everyone? Yeah, we got like a little sliver of.

[A]

Oh, and what does.

[B]

You guys didn't make it. And then the next year we did make it.

[A]

So they brought you back a second year.

[B]

Yeah. But then, like, we, like, did a different name.

[A]

Oh, why do they do that, I wonder?

[B]

I feel like, honestly. And you tell me this theory? Because I. I had this theory when I did it. They hire, like, big groups of people because they're great background filler for shots.

[A]

Interesting. Well, we watch American Talent all the time, like, still to this day. And it's like, yeah, they do have a lot of dance acts that you just don't see. And it's a big group.

[B]

And I'm like, yeah, they just need people this, like, I feel like we were there just like, fill out, like most of our day was us just, like, being in the background and stuff.

[A]

Was it when they were still touring or was it here in Pasadena? Because now they just do everything in Pasadena.

[B]

First time was at the Dolby.

[A]

Okay. So they were probably different cities.

[B]

Yeah. And the second time was when they did it in New York.

[A]

Okay, so you are traveling around.

[B]

How far did you make it on America's Got Talent?

[A]

Oh, I got buzzed right away.

[B]

Oh, my. Wait, I remember that.

[A]

I got three buzzers.

[B]

Yeah. Weren't you just trying to, like, talk fast?

[A]

I was, yeah. Well, okay, let me tell you, they've got a me too. I was. I had a fast talking video. And you want to go on America's Got Talent? I was like, for this? I was like, okay.

[B]

I was like, your was like, absolutely.

[A]

I was 23. And I was like, yeah, of course. And then when I got humiliated, I was like, let me try and pivot this. And that's. I saw Howard Stern and I was like, well, let me just say I love Hearthstone. At the time, I did love Hearthstone. Not anymore. So embarrassing. But at the time, I did. So I kind of tried to pivot it because I was humiliated. Because all of a sudden it's like three X's Sharon Osborne's like, you're annoying. And I was like, holy, what am I going to be like, the clown or am I going to, like, turn it around? And I was able to, like, turn it Around. But at least you had talent. I had no talent, but I wanted to.

[B]

Yeah, I had talent, and I still didn't make it, so at least it didn't humiliate you.

[A]

At least you weren't, like, humiliated, you know, like, oh, this is annoying. Piece of. You know what I mean? Do you know who your judges were?

[B]

We had, like, the same.

[A]

Howard.

[B]

Yeah, Howard. We had Howie. Howard, Howie, Sharon. No, we had Mel, Melby.

[A]

Oh, you had good ones. We had Sharon, Howie, Howard. That's it.

[B]

I feel like that's more of G than what we had.

[A]

Yeah, mine was way, way older than you. I was like, 2012 or something like that. So, okay, so then you go to. So you think and dance, which is okay. So that's kind of. Then Dancing with Stars finds you from there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow. What a cool drip. Like, that's really cool, that whole, like, trajectory. Yeah.

[B]

I'm, like, honestly, really lucky to be where I am.

[A]

Wow. And now dancing, because it's like, you can't get any bigger. Do you want to act or sing or anything?

[B]

I'd love to host.

[A]

Oh, yeah, you were at the. Was it, like, upfronts or something, right?

[B]

It was for Hulu's Get Real. For all reality tv. For Hulu.

[A]

Did you host or you were just a representative?

[B]

Me and Riley hosted that.

[A]

Oh, so you are getting hosting jobs?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you have representation for that?

[B]

Yeah, I do.

[A]

Oh, that's so iconic.

[B]

It was interesting because, like, we were on tour and they're like, we want you to, like, to host it. Really like to host it.

[A]

So you hosted the whole thing?

[B]

Yeah, we like the whole thing.

[A]

I remember that the Hulu was such a big one.

[B]

I know. I was like, what the? Like, we were just sitting there, like, what the. But honestly, like, that was my first time ever hosting anything, and I'm like, all I have to do is stand here and read.

[A]

But you're charismatic on camera. Everyone can do it. And it's like, riley, you're really good friend.

[B]

Hey. Honestly, I could never do it without her, though. Like, honestly. Because that day we were both so nervous, and I'm like, riley, I'm nervous. And she'll be like, ezra, calm down. Like, we talk each other off the ledge, and, like, we both were kind of, like, reciprocating the same energy to each other.

[A]

So, yeah, you guys could, like, host. Like, ultimately, what would you want to do? Like a talk show or, like, a dance? Like Dancing with Stars.

[B]

I could see any of it.

[A]

I mean, love Dancing with Stars, but I would Love. If they had, like, dance. Julian Hobs. Does she host it?

[B]

If there was a spin off of Dancing with the Stars, what would you like to see?

[A]

Oh, don't. They've done that before, haven't they? Like Dancing with Stars Junior or something like that.

[B]

Yeah, but like, away from that. Like, it doesn't have to be in the ballroom. Like, what.

[A]

What would be like a dancing reality show? Yeah, I love when they search for people. Like, do you remember they did like, the search for like, Grease on Broadway or like the Partridge Family? I love searches like that. It'd be cool if they did like a dancing one. Maybe they tried that. Has any, like, celebrity done it? Like JLo search for my next backup dancer.

[B]

Didn't Lizzo do that?

[A]

Oh, did she?

[B]

She did a whole, like, docu series about her, like, audition process and her dancers.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know. That's okay. Icon. Yeah, of course she would have done it. I would. Something like. Yeah, maybe that. I don't know if that's interesting.

[B]

That's interesting. I actually do like that idea.

[A]

If Britney Spears still had her residency, I would have loved to see how she picked dancers and how she up picked. Picked.

[B]

I know they picked them.

[A]

Yeah. Because I got a chance with Willie Gomez at Pride and I was like, I was gagged.

[B]

You know that I tried seeing you at Pride.

[A]

Yes. What happened?

[B]

I was busy meeting Nancy Pelosi. Oh, wait, what? I'm like, meeting her. I'm like, when is Trisha. She's like, right now. I'm like, I know.

[A]

I. I emailed back. I don't have your contact. I don't have your direct contact. So I was like, emailing. I was like, emailing your.

[B]

I'll just.

[A]

I mean, I don't want to.

[B]

No, please. Are you kidding me?

[A]

Our paths keep crossing as we saw. So happy. You came to the Broadway. You came to the actual show or just the after party?

[B]

I came to the actual show.

[A]

Oh, man, I love it.

[B]

I was screaming so loud.

[A]

Oh, thanks.

[B]

You ate that up. Yeah, you know, I tried and that cast was stack.

[A]

Oh, my God. No, it was great. Everyone on that show was, like, so talented. I was so. And I was sick the whole week and it just sucked because I couldn't fully enjoy it, but. So Nancy Pelosi was at Pride. You mean her like, in the little trailer section where all the trailers are just.

[B]

No, it was like in some old house. Oh, it was weird.

[A]

Like, was she announcing? What was she doing?

[B]

She was so.

[A]

I was living her life.

[B]

So they like, Were sending me to, like, not, like, not like the fun events. They're sending me to the events for, like, all the organizers were at and all, like, politicians would be at. And I'm like, that's so interesting. And I was like, here for it. I'm like, yes. Like, I love the fact that I can, like, get the get to talk to politicians and, like, really just talk about the issues and, like, whatever. And, like, just be educated, informed. But at the same time, Trisha Paytas.

[A]

Is going on, I think they're better to talk to them, especially now. I feel like now's the time for you to, like, get into the college.

[B]

It is the time and I'll definitely be able to watch this at some point.

[A]

Yeah, we missed each other. Well, maybe. I don't know. That was a lot. I was too nervous. I actually do get a little stage performance too.

[B]

Stage fright.

[A]

Stage fright? Yeah.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, a little bit.

[B]

How did you conquer it?

[A]

I didn't. I disassociated the whole time.

[B]

Oh, sounds about right.

[A]

Getting out there just. I don't know what I was saying. I was like poppers. Like, I was just like, anything that came to my mind. Yeah, I was. I think I said I like. I don't know. I was quoting it on Nicole at some point. I have no idea what was happening out there.

[B]

Did your mind just, like, shut off? Yeah, I do the same thing when I'm on stage. Thank God I don't have a mic when I'm on stage and performing.

[A]

But dancing, I think I'd be the same way. Like, I feel like my body would just forget. I don't know.

[B]

What's nice about is, like, it feels like routine.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

So the hardest part is, like, getting the ball rolling. But then after that, you can just.

[A]

Muscle memory and stuff like that. Yeah.

[B]

And that's when you can really have some fun.

[A]

And especially, like Dancing with the stars tour. I mean, people are of kind coming to see you guys are the. Are the celebrities with you guys on the tour?

[B]

Not all of them, but only select. So this season, we had Alona, we had Stephen, we had Chandler, we had Joey.

[A]

Who was the winner? I forget.

[B]

Joey.

[A]

Joey. He won the whole thing.

[B]

Oh, my God. Are you shocked? Who did you think was gonna win?

[A]

Not him. And I. I love him. We watched his season, but also crazy. Like, maybe Jen.

[B]

I honestly clocked it from the start. Like, I saw week one and I was like, like, hey, yo, this man's winning right here. I looked at and I'm like, he's Winning. I'm sorry.

[A]

No. You kind of know from the beginning.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I think you can kind of have a sense who the front runners are.

[A]

And is this still fan voting?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. It's not really fair. Right. Because we were talking about this Gabby when he was on the podcast, and it's kind of like, oh, if you grow against Sha, who's obviously a dancer and isn't brilliant, but it's like she has 100 million followers. How are you going to compete with 100 million people voting?

[B]

You really don't know who watches the show. And I think that's a huge lore to. Even in the pros because we. I mean, like, this season, like, the demographic changed drastically, but back in the day, like, you just don't know who people are vibing with until you get eliminated.

[A]

Well, that's an interesting point because you do. You're like, the only one on Tick Tock. Maybe Riley's on Tick Tock.

[B]

Or we're all on Tick Tock now. Oh, girl.

[A]

Val Chamkovsky is not on TikTok. There's no way. Kim Johnson.

[B]

No. I'll show you his Tick Tock face. No, we get the kids on Tick Tock. I'm like, guys, this is where the money's at. Like, we have to go.

[A]

They're not like, you on it, though, where you're.

[B]

I mean, I. I think they're doing Tick Tock because a lot of the show's audience is on Tick Tock now, so I think that's why they're doing it. But like, like us, we're chronically online. Like, we're there by default.

[A]

Yeah. You, like, love it. That's how you do. And you can tell, like, three in.

[B]

The morning scrolling through Tick Tock.

[A]

I can't get off of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's even on tour. I was just, like, always on Tik Tok. I was, like, so obsessed with it.

[B]

What did you do when it was banned?

[A]

Oh, lost my mind. I literally lost my mind for, like, it was like 16 hours. I would always, always, like muscle memory. You just always go on it, trying to, like, open it, and it would be like, oh, it's not here. And I was like, what do you do? I was worried because obviously the show is Hot Topics. And I'm like, how am I getting my Hot Topics? Like, everything from Tick Tock?

[B]

I mean, I was freaking out too.

[A]

It's. It's crazy.

[B]

I read a book if it makes you feel better.

[A]

Wow. Which one?

[B]

I can't remember. I was like, it's down. And I saw the book in my bag that I set up. Do you know, like, when you're on tour and you say you're gonna do something?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like, I'm gonna, like, learn how to play the ukulele. For me, it was like, read a ukulele is crazy. I know. I did.

[A]

On tour. Yes. Okay. A dancer.

[B]

Yes. They did not eat it down, though.

[A]

And you're on a bus, and they're just, like, rehearsing on ukulele.

[B]

Yeah, like, coming up with songs.

[A]

So you did a bus tour?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you in the bunk? And there's six. Six bunks. Is that how it is? Like, three and three?

[B]

I think we had eight.

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[A]

Is it boys and girls?

[B]

No. We had a baby bus and a doggy bus. Baby. Do you know Nikita? Baby Nikita?

[A]

No.

[B]

I'll show you. She's Pasha and Daniela's kids. So two pros have a kid on the show. I'll show you pictures. The most gorgeous girl ever.

[A]

Oh, like a human baby.

[B]

Human child. So they have a they get. They get a bus and like more of the less rowdy crowd is on that bus because there's a kid on there. So it's like them too. And then they come with their. Usually when pros come with their kids on tour, they either have a nanny come and the showcase for it, or they'll have the. Nikita had her grandma there. Okay, but we had a doggy bus because Alan brought his dog.

[A]

How's that? A dog on the bus is crazy. Baby on the bus is crazy too. I love. I wanted to.

[B]

Baby was a lot more well behaved than Jeff was. And I love that dog.

[A]

No. So you're on the dog bus.

[B]

I was on the doggy bus.

[A]

And does he like, climb into your bed?

[B]

Thank God he did not. I was on the top bunk for a reason.

[A]

That's why. So there's a ba. Cuz I wanted to do that with ours, but I was like, I don't know. But like, babies on a bus seem like a lot.

[B]

I. I definitely feel like for us too, when you get to do so many shows, you get a. You lose a sense of reality.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cuz it just is Groundhog Day every single day.

[A]

Wait, how many shows did you guys do?

[B]

We did 88 in under 110 days.

[A]

That is insane.

[B]

We did shows every day except for Mondays. And then from the first, like, month of tour, we would do like double show days in a week.

[A]

Like, how much stage time are you on for?

[B]

I mean, I had the least amount of dances because they added me last minute to tour, but I still was exhausted every single night.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Like, I probably had like 12 dances.

[A]

Oh, 12 dances.

[B]

Yeah. And I was in least amount.

[A]

How long is the show?

[B]

Two hours. Under an hour and a half. But this I will too. Our horn. We ate like, the tour this season was so good.

[A]

Oh my. And it's just all dances.

[B]

All. I mean, all dances, but it's like, no talking. No. We do hosts, we do skits, we do stuff like that. Oh, wait, you have to go see. You have to go see.

[A]

No, I remember there was an injury. Did Riley get injured?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then what do you do in that situation?

[B]

So during that show. We actually talked about it the other day during that show, like, sh. Before the show, she, like, looked at me and she was like, I think something's gonna happen. And she. One thing about her is like, she has this strong gut, like, strong intuition.

[A]

And were you like, girl, don't go.

[B]

On stage, girl, knock on wood. And she didn't.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And then she did a front walkover. Do you know what that looks like?

[A]

No.

[B]

Think of, like, hands go down, legs go over, and you come back around.

[A]

Like a backhand spring, but forward.

[B]

Exactly. She did that, but in heel. So when she landed, her ankle gave out, and then her. I don't know what happened. I think, like, her ligament or meta. I don't know exactly what happened, but this was actually in her hometown show.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

So everyone. And, like, Riley Arnold is a princess in Utah. Like, people love her there, of course. So, like, you can imagine, like, how jarring it is, but also, like, it was very nice in the sense, like, her family was there. Her dad's doctor. Her dad was able to go back, and they wanted to see if she can continue to dance. So she did another dance with her foot like that. Why? And then finally, she's like, I can't. Like, I'm in unbearable.

[A]

Don't keep going. Oh, my God. She's healed now.

[B]

Yeah, she's. She's 100%.

[A]

Damn. That's amazing. That, like, recovery.

[B]

But the coolest part about it is, like, Riley, if she's out of the show, that's like duets. That's those. Those are solos that, like, we have to cut. So backstage, we're all, like, reworking in a totally new show. We're like, I'm jumping in a number that I've never done before. Like, Brit would hop do something that she's never done before. And that's when you really see how tightly knit the show is, because we all know each other so well, know how to work with each other so well.

[A]

And that's what I'm saying. We talked about that right before we started rolling is, like, the closeness. So you said it's almost like a trauma bond in, like, a funny way, but also, like, a real. Yeah, because you're traveling, you're away from your family. It's all you have. So you have to, like, rely on each other. And that's what's beautiful about it, is people, like, stepping in and just, like, stepping up and just doing, you know, and then once it's over, it's like, oh, my gosh. Like, like you said, you don't see each other as much because people just have their lives, and it's like, really? But it's a beautiful thing when people can, like, work together and do stuff that they aren't planned to do. That's my favorite thing about tour, too, is, like, when dancers or anyone steps up to do something else. It's, like, not their job. But they'll do it. I'm like, I love these.

[B]

And you just feel the camaraderie.

[A]

Yeah, it's. I know. I love it. I miss it. Do you miss touring?

[B]

I do miss touring.

[A]

It's like, kind of traumatic when you're done. You're kind of like. It's like a depression.

[B]

I went through depression.

[A]

How long did it take you to get over it?

[B]

Well, also, you have to really understand, like, when the season ended, we had four days off, and then we started tour, and then we went touring until we, like, tour rehearsals, and we went touring until freaking middle of May. So when I ended, I, like, crashed out for a week. Because every single day I was, like, doing stuff.

[A]

Yeah. And then what did you do when you came home?

[B]

You're just like, actually had a couple more jobs. We forgot about that. But after that, I crashed out.

[A]

I think you're at Pride. You're doing Hulu. You're doing all these things. So. Yeah, it's a lot. Do you live alone?

[B]

I just moved to my own place.

[A]

I saw. I moved yesterday. I saw. Congrats. I know. Even as your. Yeah, Your post is telling me, like, his new address. I was like, oh, my God, that was fast. Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, I moved my furniture over.

[A]

Oh, my God. It usually takes a minute. WI Fi. You have that?

[B]

No, that's setting up, too.

[A]

Someone's like, what do we do now? Where's the WI Fi?

[B]

People can live without WI Fi.

[A]

Trisha, can you. I can't.

[B]

I could. I just download movies on my phone.

[A]

No. Before we move to any house, the WI Fi gets set up before we even move. I was like, there's just no way I'm gonna sit there.

[B]

You're so brave.

[A]

I'm so Gen Z. You're very Gen Z.

[B]

You're more Gen Z than me.

[A]

I am because I really am addicted to, like, TikTok, even doing tour. I remember when TikTok was gonna get banned in January. I was like, I don't know if my tour will be successful if there's no TikTok. Like, I don't know if I could do it.

[B]

Well, you're like, also, like, people ride. Ride or die with you on YouTube.

[A]

No, but YouTube kind of is flop topic. Like, maybe the podcast. But my main channel is like, no one watches it. I kind of stopped posting on there.

[B]

How many subscribers do you have On Slaptropica? Yeah.

[A]

Or on my YouTube. YouTube. I have. I have 5 million, but I get, like, 20,000 views.

[B]

So wild. Do you ever Stream. Do you ever stream ever?

[A]

No. That scares me. That's the Gen Z and not me. That's a millennial.

[B]

I feel like that's like the next.

[A]

Wave of I don't want people knowing irl. You know what I mean?

[B]

I live for it. I mean, also, when you're on Dancing with the Stars, it's. You don't know what they're gonna air, and they're filming you constantly.

[A]

Yeah, that's what's. It's like Big Brother. And you don't get nervous. You don't get final edit on anything. Like, you're like, oh, I should have said that.

[B]

You don't. So how do you, like, they tell you, like. Like, when they mic you, they're like, just letting you know, like, whatever you say, we're gonna. Like, we could air.

[A]

I do. I remember back in the day, dancing stars, especially, again, the male ones. That's why I like the straight males. I get a little scared of. They'd, like, yell at their partners. They'd get so frustrated and be so mad at them. And the girls would be. Be like, I don't know. I'm trying.

[B]

Even if I see that, I'll call it out.

[A]

It's so scary.

[B]

I don't like that at all.

[A]

Yeah. And I was just like, I don't know if I could do this show. It's. It gave Biggest Loser vibes with, like, the trainers. Remember, Bob and Jillian would just, like, yell. Okay, I don't remember. That was like.

[B]

No, I do remember. Yeah, I do.

[A]

And they would just, like, yell at their people. And I was like, well, I'm not professional dancers. You know what I mean? It's, like, so much. But, yeah, those mics, they'll catch everything they do because you would never see them on camera, but they'd be over there just, like, cussing.

[B]

And I'm like, Riley's adventure for me, when it was my first year as a pro, she's like, if you feel like crying, go in the bathroom and turn off your mic.

[A]

Have you done it? Yes. You cried?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, what was it? Just stress.

[B]

Yeah. So much stress. I mean, also, like, you were putting. You're taking care of a whole person. And, like, the whole media storm around her was a lot to deal with. And, like, I just wanted to. Like, every single time I was around her, I just wanted to be recharged and refreshed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I didn't want to carry any bad energy or lingering.

[A]

You did.

[B]

So whenever, like, I felt like crying, I want. I just cried. It out because I didn't want to let that rub off on her at all.

[A]

You were so good. You were so encouraging. And even when she would say her stuff, like, what she learned? Nothing. I mean, you could just tell you were trying. You're, like, trying to, like, encourage her and be there with her. It was. You were really. So.

[B]

I just, like, when she said that, all that PR training down, she's like.

[A]

I don't care to be here. I don't know what I'm doing here.

[B]

She was mad. She was mad when she was eliminated.

[A]

Was she? Yeah, but she. She didn't want to be there.

[B]

I'm not kidding you, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Two days, three days before, like, she walked in and. Which was such a bummer because, like, even, like the show day, I was, like, so upset because I just knew what kind of what was happening.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was like, damn. Like, she. I think she locked in a little too late. If she would have done that week one, I think she would have left.

[A]

She looked beautiful. I heard you talking the whole thing about the dress situation, how you had. She wanted a new dress, so you got her, like, this dress. And I was like, it's the most expensive dress in the show. And I was like, she looked really pretty. You really worked for her to, like.

[B]

I mean, I know what she wants. She wants expensive.

[A]

So wait, so they don't custom the dresses for everybody?

[B]

They cost them when you're competing, but when you're eliminated, they just reuse.

[A]

What do you mean? Like, there's stuff they already have.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I didn't know.

[B]

Trisha.

[A]

Wait, really?

[B]

You don't know about the vault?

[A]

No. I thought when you eliminate, you're in the same outfit that you wore.

[B]

No. So they have a vault, like, on the lot, and it's there year round, and we have access to it year round.

[A]

O. Let's get outfits.

[B]

No, I'm not even kidding.

[A]

I would have worn something sparkly of anything fit. I wanted to wear something sparkly today, but nothing.

[B]

I mean, I. I have these.

[A]

Oh, you. Oh, you have pride. Converse. Did you do them? They sell them like that.

[B]

Yeah, I did do them.

[A]

I love that. Okay. Love that. Yeah, everyone's going. Less pride this year. All these companies stop doing, like, the rainbows. I was like.

[B]

I'm like, yeah, like, I need something to wear. What's happening?

[A]

I know. This is everything. I love it. So cute. Okay, so the vault.

[B]

Okay, vault. It's a giant, like, airplane hanger, and it has all these, like, shipping containers in it. And every shipping container has every dress worn in Dancing with the Star system. And everyone has. I have a section. Jenna has a section. And it's everything we've worn. So they archive it, and they keep it.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

So let's say, like, let's say, like, even for Anna, like, she didn't want to wear that dress. I want. She wanted to wear something expensive and sparkly. I'm like, okay, let's go to the vault. Like, we're gonna find the dress.

[A]

So do you know who wore the dress?

[B]

I don't know who wore the dress, but I think, no. I actually don't know who wore that dress before, but I've worn, like. Like, you'll see in the tags, like, it'll say, like, PETA or it'll say Max. Like, it'll have someone else's name in it.

[A]

Okay. So you can wear other people's clothes. I'd go get Donny Osmond's out outfits.

[B]

Oh, my God. Yeah. Because they're definitely there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I would have loved.

[B]

Wait.

[A]

That's iconic.

[B]

If you ever do this show, we have to go visit the ball. I think that's something that you would love to see.

[A]

I would love. I think that's my favorite part of the show, is the outfits. I mean, that's a lot of people's favorite part of the show. But my. All my costumes on tour were Dancing with the stars costumes. Everyone's like, you look like you should bend dance the stars. I'm like, yeah, that's like, the whole point. It's just fun to, like, shake in little fringes and stuff like that. You know what I mean?

[B]

The last. Like, no other show out there is. Makes gowns the way that they do too gorgeous. They, like, custom old Hollywood style.

[A]

Like, it always looks amazing.

[B]

I mean, like, every single week, even.

[A]

The big girls, they always dress really nice. Their boobs are always lifted. It's always really nice. Oh, they're like, I love it. I know. No, that's the icon. And then the shoes. What are the shoe situations? You can wear your own shoes, or they also give you shoes.

[B]

Oh, they're gonna give you shoes, Lucas.

[A]

Is that what they're called? Little Broadway shows?

[B]

Yeah. Well, you'll probably, like, not wear those. That's all I could dance with because those are ugly.

[A]

I don't know how people dance in the heels and stuff. That's crazy.

[B]

You'll get used. You just have to get used to it.

[A]

I don't know if I could. I really that's the only challenge I think. I can't.

[B]

We can get you, baby. Heel.

[A]

Yeah, I'm getting heels all the way.

[B]

Just make sure your toes are done.

[A]

You never made it with a partner, but you were in the ensemble for Disney Week. What was your favorite dance during Disney Week?

[B]

Oh, probably this past season, we did our opening number, and it was Never had a friend like me. No. And Mandy Moore. Do you know Mandy Moore?

[A]

Of course. She was on say Thing. It didn't dance too.

[B]

She every single. I mean, she's the best. Like, every single time she comes on the show, she eats it up.

[A]

The old school choreographers. I'm not calling her old school, but, like, she was on. So you think a dance when I was watching it back 20 years ago. I mean, like, she's OG she's OG nappy taps. Like, I love.

[B]

And you know that they created, directed, and choreographed Donnie's residency, right?

[A]

No. How do you get them? Because they, like, they're huge. Don't they do Beyonce and stuff? Donnie doesn't see it, which I love, by the way. Harris. Shout Out Harris. That's where I went.

[B]

No, because. No. I think it was like a good. I mean, if they are expensive, I think it was a good investment. The show that they did for him was incredible.

[A]

Oh, it's so good.

[B]

His show is incredible.

[A]

It's my favorite show. Yeah, it's at Harrah's. It's my favorite show. I go see it like, twice a year. It's the most amazing thing.

[B]

And, like, it doesn't feel old at all, which is, I think, is incredible.

[A]

He's been there 30 years.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It's insane. Okay, now he's doing Donny Osmond. I love that so much. Okay, were they choreographing when you did the show?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Were they there when you had to.

[B]

Do the rehearsals for with Donnie? Yeah, it was Tabitha in the room the whole time. Like, she choreographed the whole thing. And Napoleon was more like behind the scenes scenes.

[A]

Wait. I love that so much. Okay, so Mandy Moore did Friendly Me. Y love that so much. And you're doing the new Aladdin version. Are you doing, like, the OG we.

[B]

Did the Broadway version, so they brought in the genie from Broadway and he performed with us.

[A]

I mean, I love Disney. Well, that, I guess, goes back to another Utah versus High School Musical 1 or High School Musical 2.

[B]

Is it bad that I like 2?

[A]

Me too. I think that is the most iconic one. High School Musical 2.

[B]

I also feel like I just hit Hate School. I Just wanted them to get out of school.

[A]

Have you been to the resort?

[B]

No, I haven't, but I've been to the high school. Did you there just, like, go see it? I don't know.

[A]

Do you know Casey? She's a dancer. Have you done a dancer there?

[B]

No, I haven't. Wait, how would that happen? I know. I'm like, are you an influencer if you didn't do a dancer case?

[A]

When I went to Salt Lake. I think she lives in Utah.

[B]

She does live in Utah.

[A]

When I went to Salt Lake and I saw it too late, she's like, I would have come to your show.

[B]

You know, my sister was in the the remake.

[A]

Like the The TV series?

[B]

Yeah, the TV series. No, she. No, she was a lead dancer, but she had, like, lines in it.

[A]

She loved it.

[B]

She loved it.

[A]

I never watched it. Is it good? I should get into it. I haven't watched it.

[B]

It's like Office meets High School Musical. So if you like both of those worlds.

[A]

That sounds like a very odd combination.

[B]

Yeah, just watch it.

[A]

It's like a documentary about them doing High School Musical. The show. Yeah, that's.

[B]

You already know your work.

[A]

Yeah. I'm old, so I wasn't like, okay, I'm gonna, like, die to watch this, but maybe I will if your sister's on it, I think.

[B]

And especially with, like, the Olivia. Olivia Rodrigo. Joshua Basset, Polar.

[A]

I didn't know.

[B]

And they actually, like when. Because my sister and I both joined so youo think at the same time. We were both on the same season, so she they were airing, so you think while she was filming High School Musical. So we would have, like, viewing parties with, like, Olivia would go and Josh would go. And I just remember at the time, like, not really knowing who they are.

[A]

Yeah, they didn't blow up yet.

[B]

Yeah. I was just like. I'm like, these annoying theater kids. I'm like, what is happening?

[A]

Were they theater kids? Was Olivia theater kid?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know.

[B]

They're all, like, by the piano all the time. You know, they're a damn theater kid. When they, like, walk and they see the piano, like, there goes the night.

[A]

Did you do it? Were you, like, a singer ever?

[B]

No.

[A]

Never say your sister did, though, because she's lead dancer. She wasn't singing. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, she can sing.

[A]

How was the age gap?

[B]

We're 15 months apart.

[A]

I love it. So we're having a boy and then. Yeah. My daughter is 13 months, so it's like the same.

[B]

They're gonna be best friends oh, that.

[A]

Makes me so happy. Especially because having a boy and I was like, oh, boy. With two girls. I don't know.

[B]

But he's gonna have dance if, like, your daughter, I think will be a little bit more maternal too, because I think girls have that instinct when they're a little bit younger. So my sister, like, took care of me for the longest time. Like, she would dress me before I go to school. She would. We'd hang out all the time.

[A]

Oh, my God, I'm gonna cry. Oh, my gosh. And so you guys were always bonded. You never were, like.

[B]

We were rivals. Yeah. And I lived with her until yesterday.

[A]

I. Oh. Oh, I love that. Oh, my God. Okay. That makes me so happy because we can't redo our whole house right now. It's all set up for like, like dancing and makeup and all that stuff like that.

[B]

No, I live for this. I'm like, pop. I'm like, rolling. I'm like, this is epic.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Oh, my God, I love that so much. Okay. That's cute. It gives me so much hope. Okay. Love that so much. So High School Musical, you never, never been to the resort, which you should. Honestly, it's like everything where they should for Dancing with the Stars. We'll go rehearse there. Cuz the actual, like, golf course, it'll.

[B]

Be a huge expense, but we have to do it.

[A]

What? They were like, surprisingly cheap. We had to rent out the golf course and they were like, surprisingly cheap. Get some stars. Can afford it. If I can afford it, they can afford it for sure. I think. I don't know. But no, that's. That's one of my all time favorites. Oh, my God. Everything. We had another Utah one because I love Utah culture. Oh, we had. We talked about the Osmonds already. I was gonna say the Huffs are the Osmonds.

[B]

Huffs.

[A]

Really? And you talked really highly of Donnie, so you must really think too.

[B]

Like, I. I like, I truly grew up watching them. I don't feel like Donnie was like, more my generation, if that makes sense. But I. I definitely feel like. Yeah, I'm like, still, like, I'm still a little swimmy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I wasn't even making it, honestly.

[A]

But we're like, oh, gosh.

[B]

To like Puppy Love. I'm screaming.

[A]

I love that. Were you gonna dance with Puppy Love? Not to get sidetracked. Were you? Did you have a number in Puppy Love? And no choreo to that.

[B]

No, I don't think he did.

[A]

Yeah, I think he's by himself. Okay.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Cuz they do like. But I think he like redid it, right?

[A]

Yeah. He's now singing with an AI version of his 13 year old self during that.

[B]

No, I think that's his like, nephew.

[A]

Yeah, but they did CGI on his face.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[A]

You know the lore, cuz it was his nephew.

[B]

Yeah. I love Donnie.

[A]

You still follow him on there?

[B]

Yes, of course. He's such a good guy.

[A]

And now I really feel like we have to do that choreo. I'm gonna look. Literally. Just wait.

[B]

What was your question?

[A]

My adhd, like, we're about the huffs you were talking about.

[B]

Yeah. Also, like, they're siblings and my sister and I are siblings. So I think naturally, like, we connected to their relationship a little bit more than the Osmonds.

[A]

Did you dance together, you and your sister?

[B]

Yeah, growing up. So she's also in Dancing with the Stars? No, she's on Troop. So that she did what I did on the show before I was pro.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is she still on? Is she gonna be on again this season?

[B]

We don't know.

[A]

You don't know.

[B]

I'm praying though.

[A]

It's crazy. You don't know.

[B]

You would love her. She's gorgeous.

[A]

My God. Well, I could look at you and I could imagine like a girl version being so hot. I love it. She loves, so she loves doing it this show too. And so you guys dance. Because I saw like Derek and Julian dance together and a lot of people, I think people who aren't in the dance world, you know, see it and you're like, oh, that's crazy. That's brother and sister dancing. But you just don't think anything of it.

[B]

I also feel like, like the tone and attention. I'm like, not gonna do like a sensual dance with my sister.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I can do like a mean pasa double because maybe we're mad at each other. Like there's still. There's still character. Yeah, there's still like characters. Characters in dance that you can still use.

[A]

And Yeah. I think it's not like weird. You know, people like to make it weird.

[B]

But I feel like when you're a kid and you just. It was weird for a little bit and then you just get used to it.

[A]

Yeah. Especially because it's like your siblings, you're close, you can rehearse at home, you can do whatever. But Derek and Julianne are like amazing. They're like, they're so good. They're on the show. They're both on the Show, Right? They're a host and a judge now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

They're just running that.

[A]

My God. I remember when I was a kid and like, yeah, if you got Derek Hough, you knew you were like, gonna win him your ball.

[B]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[A]

I feel like they always gave him the really good dancers on purpose so they would win.

[B]

I mean, I mean, like, he's like the best one.

[A]

Yeah. Because I was like, okay. Was he with Charlie, right?

[B]

No, Mark was with Charlie.

[A]

Who did he have? Oh, Bindi.

[B]

Bindi.

[A]

Where they did the lift.

[B]

Do you know Robert's doing the show.

[A]

I wonder if he can dance because Bindi was really good.

[B]

I don't think he can dance.

[A]

Wait, wow. Why do you think that?

[B]

I know. I just. I just stopped standing there like, yeah, this man can't dance. But he's hot, though. He's really hot.

[A]

He's so hot. I feel like guys also have it a little easier though, because Donnie says this in his show. When Donnie Marie had a show together, because they both did Dancing with Stars, Donnie always bragged that he won and Marie would be like, yeah, because all you have to do is like stand there and hold the hips as opposed to the girls. They have to flip. They have to do all these things like that. So I think the celebrity male has a bigger advantage than a female.

[B]

It depends on the style. So if it's a standard dance or a ballroom dance, closed hole dance, like waltz, tango, foxtrot, the man has to be more dominant because they're in charge of the frame. So they're setting up the frame and the girl's arms go over it. So they have. If they have a bad frame, frame, right. And you can't, like, you can't help them out, if that makes sense. But in Latin dances, girls are more exposed because they have more steps in Latin dances, right. So they're turning more and the guys are more like a base. But it just. It just depends because you'll see, like.

[A]

Athletes and they're like, strong, but, like, the girls are flipping around them and they're kind of just like assisting them.

[B]

And I'm.

[A]

Okay, well, that's like.

[B]

Like when I did quick step with Anna, like, even when she was like on the wrong foot, I just pick her and you just run. But in cha cha, like, she's a little bit more on her own. So I'm like.

[A]

And are you counting? Are you guys to going like 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2.

[B]

I'm like, I'm. I literally looked at her. I was like smile.

[A]

Do you?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're not mic'd up then when you're dancing.

[B]

Yeah, you are. But it's not like they're not airing that.

[A]

I always wondered that because you're just like. Because I'm such a counter and I feel like I'd have to like counter something.

[B]

I mean, if we're partners, I'll count you in whichever way you want.

[A]

Because that's the hard part. I lack a rhythm.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, a little bit.

[B]

Wait, you crush. Bet on it. You're like, well, that is my fault. It was pretty.

[A]

I opened my tour and it's like, that's muscle memory. That's muscle memory. And I had the knee injury three weeks before that. That's why at the end I'm on a golf cart instead of running. Because I wanted to like sprint and I couldn't do the jump off the cliff. Yeah, I was really sad. But I already paid in full for.

[B]

That music video to be like so iconic.

[A]

I mean, bed on it is having its moment now, six years later.

[B]

Thank you a lot of your having its moment.

[A]

Z I. Thanks to your generation. I say that on my shows too. I honestly think like this generation's made me cool because I was not cool in my generation.

[B]

I think just gener generation just gets it and I think they're just over the bull. So they just love.

[A]

I know. They just embrace.

[B]

They just embrace like, you know what? We love her.

[A]

Yeah, I love that. That's what I'm saying. I love this new generation. I think it's everything. I love dancing like movies. When you were saying frame like Dirty Dancing, you know, I was thinking about that. That was one of the last routines we did too was Hungry Eyes. And I was like, I would always just watch movies and be like, I want to dance like that. I want to be like that. Was there a movie you watched that.

[B]

You'Re like La La Land.

[A]

Oh, you're young. I forget that I was like. That just came out.

[B]

I mean, I was like 13 when it came out.

[A]

Oh, so that was like impactful. Was it good dancing? I can't remember. Don't fry me for this, but was there good dancing in it?

[B]

I mean, the thing. The thing about it is especially for. I think what it was, I think it was perfect. And I definitely feel like. And I'm the type of way when I'm watching like a musical, I don't like it when it's like over choreographed. Especially when I know dance. Yeah, I like it when it's more nuanced and more like embedded in the scene, which I feel like La Land did perfectly quickly because.

[A]

Yeah, that's not really. I wouldn't consider it a musical, would you? I don't know.

[B]

I think it's like, definitely, like a little bit more like not a musical.

[A]

Yeah, Musical. Maybe that's why I didn't like it, because I love a musical number. Wait, Hairspray.

[B]

I mean, like, in that sense, you're like cheese balling and you just love it.

[A]

I love it. Yeah. Like, I feel like we could definitely knock out a hairspray.

[B]

You would have loved Grease night. We did Grease night on Dancing with the stars.

[A]

Grease 1 or Grease 2?

[B]

Grease 1.

[A]

I'm a Grease 2 girly.

[B]

I've never seen it.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

On the celebrity Alphabet, what are you. What would you say you are like D. D list. I think you're definitely like C or above.

[A]

No, I think Dancing Stars is C and above. And I think I'm D and I need to go a little higher to get on there.

[B]

I think it's perspective.

[A]

Okay, well, thank you. If you think I'm like C or above, I mean, I'll take it.

[B]

I think you're. I think you're more than capable of getting on the show.

[A]

I don't know why it's so hard. I haven't even.

[B]

Have you been contacted?

[A]

No.

[B]

For real?

[A]

No, no. Like, actually, yeah, it's fine. I'm okay with it. I made peace with it. You know what I mean?

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Because you do see people and you're just like, damn. I mean, I feel like I'm a little more known to that person. But it's fine. It's okay.

[B]

I mean, they don't listen to me, but I can say something.

[A]

No, that's how you want. No, seriously. You're the only person I've ever want to meet and we already met once. This is our second time. This is everything I want. And we're dance together and honestly, we.

[B]

Should do a video together.

[A]

Yeah, like a little TikTok or something like that.

[B]

No, no, we need like a full, like, let's do concept video together.

[A]

Oh, you want to do like a full self tape video?

[B]

Like, let's sell the dream. Like, let's sell Trisha Paytas a casting.

[A]

Tape for Dancing with the Stars with you. Only if you're my partner, of course. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, yes. I think that's.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

That's the gag.

[A]

Did you see? I know you're not like a musical person, but did you see Wicked.

[B]

I did see Wicked.

[A]

Are you into it?

[B]

Loved it.

[A]

Loved it too.

[B]

Chris Scott actually choreographs for Wicked. He choreographs for Dancing with the Stars sometimes too.

[A]

He did the Wicked movie or the Wicked production stage. Production movie. Jonathan Bailey is one of my favorite people of all time.

[B]

I love him so much.

[A]

His dancing was actually so sexy. They did it. He, they did it all himself. They said, said, I know, like the book thing, can you do that? You know like where he like jumped on the book and then slid them together.

[B]

Do you think if they pay me enough. Yeah.

[A]

Do you think you could? Cuz that's like hard.

[B]

I think I could do it.

[A]

I hope this season they do some Wicked. They never do Wicked on the show. Huh. Maybe they can't license it or something.

[B]

They could license it if they have enough money to. Cuz they license Barbie. They did a Barbie number.

[A]

Oh, that's so true. Oh, the British cast. Dancing stars are crazy. Barbie number.

[B]

Oh, so you love Strictly? Yeah, I love Strictly it in.

[A]

They haven't even asked me there, but I would do it in the uk. I feel like I have a more Strictly dancing.

[B]

Any version. Any version.

[A]

That's why I went to the UK to do Big Brother. I was like, put me on that show, I don't care. You know what I mean? But I do love when they do a little Barbie. A little Barbie action. But okay. So Dancing with the Stars coming up possibly. So do you keep your schedule open? You're not gonna like, look for anything.

[B]

Else you have to. You're contractually obligated to keep open.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

I'm like, do you have a job?

[A]

So your summer plans before that happens? Because I, I have a feeling you'll be back and so what are you gonna do before you're left to rom train?

[B]

I think I gave myself like, I'm very like, I take this seriously, obviously. So I spent like the last little bit, like last few months, like just resting, enjoying my life, moving, like just doing life. I've always, I've just needed to do yeah. And never had the time to do. But now I'm just like getting back to going in the studio, training again.

[A]

You go with a teacher? Do you go with someone?

[B]

Like, yeah, I'll train with the coach or I'll train with my sister or I'll train with Riley and we'll just get in the studio and dance together.

[A]

And do you have like a choreographer or you guys do it yourself?

[B]

We'll just do ourselves.

[A]

You don't do classes anymore. I love a class. I mean, I've never been. I like the environment. You don't like being with people and dancing? I don't know. I love the dance videos that come out of it.

[B]

Okay, see, that's what I don't like about class.

[A]

Oh, you don't want people videoing you.

[B]

I mean, if I'm there to take class, I need to train. Like, I just think I have a different mentality. But if it's, if it's advert advertised like I'm filming this class and I.

[A]

Want to go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You should host your own. You ever do like a master class? I. I mean, Wade Robeson style. Do you remember him? Yes. Do you remember how you remember. He's literally older than me.

[B]

No, he's mj. He's mj.

[A]

Of course I know he's mj.

[B]

Like he worked with mj. Well, I know, I know, I know know. But like, he's iconic in the industry. He's so iconic.

[A]

I think of him as working with like, instinct. Britney Spears.

[B]

Yeah, because he did Britney Spears too.

[A]

He did.

[B]

He did sleep for you, right?

[A]

He did all of her stuff. The. The VMA performance of Oops, I think.

[B]

Didn't he like day or something?

[A]

Well, that was the whole rumor was. I don't think it's true now reading Britney's.

[B]

Have you ever seen him in person recently?

[A]

No.

[B]

Hot now. Hot.

[A]

Oh my God, we have such different tastes back in the day.

[B]

Type.

[A]

Donnie Osman, Kenny Ortega. Oh, Moses.

[B]

Just kidding.

[A]

Moses is actually the reason we work so well is he was not my traditional type. You know what I mean? Cuz I do love a, like, think about Donnie Kenny. I love like, you know, that type. But when I saw Moses, he had long hair. He. Ortega.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Like I had such a crush on him. When I would see the behind the scenes of like High School Musical, I.

[B]

Was like, you know, I auditioned for the, for the third one.

[A]

The third one. He must have been a baby that came out.

[B]

They were doing auditions in Utah for like Baby Troy and baby for the what's the guy Dance.

[A]

Wait, baby.

[B]

Oh, with Corbin Blue?

[A]

Yeah, Corbin Blue. But what was his character's name? Wait, we're fake fans.

[B]

We do not know her. We're fake fans right now.

[A]

Wait, how do I. Troy, Gabriella, Sharpay Ryan, the other guy. But he's so iconic. Oh my God.

[B]

And he did Dancing with the Stars too. Sorry to this man.

[A]

Sorry to this man. We love you. Corbin Blue is killing on. He's on Gatsby right now in London, I think.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah, he's actually killing it. Was it for the. Was it the one where they're like.

[B]

The boys with the cars?

[A]

The boys are back. I love.

[B]

That was like my first ever, like, audition was for that and.

[A]

Oh, my God. Did you get very far? I'm surprised you didn't get casted. I can see you looking like a young. Either one of them.

[B]

You don't know, like Jenna Johnson, you know that girl I was telling you about?

[A]

Yeah, of course. Her brother got it as Young Troy or young Other one.

[B]

Young Troy.

[A]

Wow. They were good dancers, those little kids. I love that dance sequence too.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, they're great.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, man, that would have been so good. Did you audition for Kenny? You were in the same room?

[B]

Yeah, he was there.

[A]

Oh, my God, I love him. Speaking of mj, he did Michael's this Is it tour right before he passed away, and I was just like, oh, my God, what an icon.

[B]

That's insane.

[A]

I would love to work with him. I don't know. I don't think I'm too old to be in any Disney movie now, but I do love Kenny.

[B]

I don't know if he's still feel like. I think he just directs now. I don't. I don't think.

[A]

You don't think he does Descendants or anything? All that choreo?

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, that's sad.

[B]

Yeah, I think he's just like. I think once you've choreographed, like, everything, you just have to, like, hang up your shoes and then put on a new hat.

[A]

No, there's has to be some older choreographers out there still.

[B]

I feel like when you know you can make more directing, you just want to do that.

[A]

That's true. I'm trying to think who to share. I feel like someone that just shares, like, older. Because all the dancers are older. Older.

[B]

I don't know she. I don't know her camp.

[A]

You never. Oh, never audition. She was in Vegas for a while. I thought if you were doing Vegas.

[B]

Shows, I honestly, I've never done. I think my biggest flop was not going to Taylor Taylor Swift's audition for her tour.

[A]

Were you invited?

[B]

I was invited.

[A]

And why did you go? You're doing dance with ours. We've just been so busy. If you quit high school because you're dancing too much, like, you probably are just too busy.

[B]

I also just knew, like, I. Like I sound like Addison Beer saying this, but I feel like if I would have gone to the audition, I Would have booked it. It.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Because it was Mandy Moore. She trained me growing up. I had that close connection and, like, the material of it. I was like, yeah, no, I could have crossed.

[A]

Are you so sad about it?

[B]

Not now, No. I, I. I definitely feel like me doing it at that time showed my loyalty to Dancing with the Stars because I was. I was a swing for them. And so I said no to, like, I said, I mean, I'm not going to that this audition, because I was already swinging. And I just knew, like, I. My heart was in Dancing with the Stars.

[A]

And they knew that. They knew that you gave up the audition for the.

[B]

That they did, yeah.

[A]

I encourage everybody. Obviously, my dancers on tour, obviously. My one dancer just auditioned for, like, Hamilton. I was like, if you need to miss a show for Hamilton, you should go do Hamilton. They're so nice, though. They do ask. They're like, you know, it's okay. And I was just like, no. Like, that's so iconic. You know what I mean? Hamilton or the Heirs of Trish tour. I don't know. You pick.

[B]

So, like, Trish's big Broadway dream. And I loved how you did. I know Beau.

[A]

I know Bo.

[B]

I know he did. So you think you can dance?

[A]

He did, yeah. He's so good. Well, what's crazy is they were telling me, oh, this is their first time on Broadway. It's their Broadway debut, which it was. But they're all very, like, actively touring, and, like, in all these big productions.

[B]

They'Re very much like, they. They're very much capable of being on a Broadway show.

[A]

Yeah, they've done Broadway shows, like, on tour, but just technically wasn't on Broadway. So I was like, okay. Cause that made sense. Cause we had another girl. Her name was Mo. She's in Little Shop right now off Broadway. So, like, they've been in shows. They just. And Beau was, I think, with Sarah Meal. Do you know Sarah Meal? She. And Death becomes her. She was our choreographer for the show. I think they had worked together before, like, in Chicago, and Death becomes her or something that. I love Bo. Yeah. He does classes all the time.

[B]

He's great.

[A]

He came to my Radio City Music hall show, too. So nice. I was like, oh, so nice. Those dancers were so talented. I was so intimidated.

[B]

I teared up watching that.

[A]

They were so good.

[B]

I just loved how you had your big moment. But also, you shared the stage for other people, too.

[A]

I mean, it was really.

[B]

I saw. I thought. I thought that was really powerful.

[A]

Thank you. Yeah. I thought. To me, I was like, oh, these are dancers fresh to New York. Like, this is their break. And then not realizing the incredible resume they already had. They've been professionally because then I saw them in person at the end. They were so sweet to me because again, I'm not like a dancer. And they were all like so sweet to me because it takes me a little minute.

[B]

Would you ever do Roxie Hart in Chicago?

[A]

I would love. And that's another one.

[B]

I feel like they would do that.

[A]

I know. I don't want to. Yeah, I know. Because they just, you know, they have a lot of people who can't sing or dance. So I'm like, I would. I have a little bit of rhythm and that's no shade. I just, I don't know. There's another one. I know. Well, I know.

[B]

You're like, I know.

[A]

No, that does seem like a perfect role. Cuz it doesn't require you to be a great singer, dancer.

[B]

You have to be able to like climb that ladder.

[A]

Have you seen it easily? Yeah, of course. I saw Brandy do it. I saw Pam do it. I saw.

[B]

I saw Ariana do it. Maddox.

[A]

Oh my God. She did it.

[B]

She did it a year ago.

[A]

Yeah, I saw her a year ago and she sang.

[B]

Yeah, she was great. She's a theater kid.

[A]

I didn't know that. And she did the ladder. They just had their first screaming.

[B]

She did the ladder. Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure. That ladder. Yeah, I'm sure she.

[A]

Well, because it's difficult. They just had their first. I say plus size, but she's not really. But Ashley Graham was just Roxy and I was like, oh, that's so cool. Because I always thought they. Maybe they didn't cast a bigger girl because. Because of the ladder.

[B]

Does it ever bug you that they cast celebrities for that and not like.

[A]

Broadway for like Chicago?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, I think that role is so always stunt casted. It's fine. I think if it was like Death becomes Her, which I guess is like kind of.

[B]

Did you see Death becomes Her? I want to see it.

[A]

You've never seen it? No.

[B]

Oh, I really want to see it.

[A]

Michelle Williams is so good in it. Megan Hilty, so good in it. Jennifer Summer, like, they're all so good in it. Oh my God. You have to see.

[B]

I have to do it.

[A]

It's the best show on Broadway, I think in years maybe. It's close.

[B]

Was it nominated for Tony?

[A]

Yeah, I didn't win it. Got robbed of Tony. So did Gypsy.

[B]

Oh my God. Wait, didn't Darren. Didn't Darren Chris's show win?

[A]

Yes. I don't know what it is, though. Do you know? I don't know.

[B]

It was like, maybe I love Darren Crisp. I don't know. Because a year ago I was in. I was in D.C. for the 4th of July, and he was there, and I was trying to like, dude, like, you should do Dancing with the Stars. Like, you know, like, I'm doing this, like, off Broadway. It's like, I'm doing. It's like, a little experimental. And I remember him telling me he's like, this guy's about to fall off the face of the earth.

[A]

Oh, really? And now he's winning a Tony Award.

[B]

He, like, won that Tony was like, I work.

[A]

Where'd you see him?

[B]

Fourth July said, yeah, they do like the either, like PBS or CBS special or something in the fourth of July. It's front of the capitol. I did a year ago.

[A]

What did you do? You danced?

[B]

Yeah, I danced with Alfonso. Oh, Ribeiro.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. He was singing.

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh. I was like, Dan. I was just one of his.

[A]

What was he singing or. He was just dancing too.

[B]

He was just, like, singing whatever song he felt that day. I don't know. I can't remember the song.

[A]

Okay. I didn't know he was a singer. Love that.

[B]

He's, like, multi talented.

[A]

He really is. I do know him just as Carlton, but I do love the Dancing with the Stars arc for him. He's kind of everything.

[B]

No, he. I'm like, honestly, it's really refreshing being around people like that who are seasoned people who've been in the industry.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, like, I definitely feel like every single time I'm around him, I can learn from him.

[A]

Yeah, he's nice.

[B]

Yeah, he's so nice.

[A]

I love the good experiences with all these people. Darren. Chris is nice.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

Were you Gleek?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I can get through, like, after they all graduated, can get through it.

[A]

Oh, I never went to, like, the New York era. No. I was like Miata. It's like, what? I'm like Whoopi Goldberg and it was like Kate Hudson. It started being like all these, like, Gwyneth Paltrow.

[B]

What is happening?

[A]

What is happening? They're doing like, baby One more time was like, her and Kate Hudson, and I was like, what is happening? And then Adam Lambert's. What? The Singing Diner with Demi Lovato.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Did you ever see that?

[B]

That came so I didn't get that deep.

[A]

Love Adam Lambert, though. I love him so much. Yeah. I didn't go to the New York one either. I guess, at the end. Spoiler alert, because I just found this out because Darren Criss from the Tony, Leah, Michelle. What's her name? What's her name on the show? Rachel Berry. She gets pregnant with. What's Darren Chris's character's name? I don't know. Darren Chris's baby on the show.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah, because he's with Kurt.

[B]

We need to watch TV more.

[A]

I don't know if that's the message. Sorry, I got a little tangent. We're watching Glee now and I'm getting all into it. Was Matthew Morrison on so you think can Dance when you were on? Was he a judge?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was he? He was wild as a judge. What a.

[B]

No, they had to like. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Halfway through.

[B]

Yeah, because I helped my friend audition that season.

[A]

Oh, he was like, texting or something.

[B]

I think he texted someone or something. I don't know. I don't know.

[A]

The deeds, but trigger warning for Matthew Morrison. Sorry. Out there, you know, on TikTok, you gotta put that now.

[B]

Oh, wait, really?

[A]

Yeah, People get jump scared with him. You didn't know this? The lore, like, him being the Grinch.

[B]

I mean, I would need a trigger warning a little bit.

[A]

His character was.

[B]

That's my biggest fear is that I, like, do something and, like, people around me, like, just build my ego so much by thinking it's, like, cool. And then I go do it and I'm just like, Matthew Morrison, the Grinch.

[A]

Well, just let TikTok decide. They'll tell you. Matthew Morrison knows he's no longer cool because of TikTok. That whole sewing thing and dance thing seems wild. JoJo was a judge on there too, at that time.

[B]

That was when I was an All Star. When she. When she first. No, it was after Dancing with the Stars, her season. They asked her to be a judge, and then that season they picked up the show again. So it was a season after I just did it.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

And so I came back as an All Star.

[A]

But you guys weren't friends yet.

[B]

We were friends.

[A]

Oh, so you were. I thought you were friends when she joined Dance with the Stars.

[B]

We were. And that was before that.

[A]

Oh, so you're doing it simultaneously. Oh, and you would credit her with helping you come out?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And what age are you when that happens?

[B]

I was 21. I was 21.

[A]

Three years.

[B]

Three years.

[A]

That's it. Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why do you. You think. Was that the right timing for you, or do you wish it would have been Earlier.

[B]

I think it was the right timing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Were you scared cuz your parents called you?

[B]

I was terrified. I was terrified.

[A]

But you must have been around so many queer people dancing.

[B]

I think it's hard when the environment that you are growing up in is very against it. Even if it's like not set to your face, like, you just know they don't support it. I. I definitely feel like growing up in that environment is, like, really hard. But my escape was when I got to travel for dance, which I did a lot, fortunately. And I really do think that's when I started discovering my sexuality was like the further, like the way I would leave Utah, I would leave and like, meet other gay guys. I would meet other people who are dancers, but, like, weren't Mormon. And I just saw how normal it was being gay in that environment. I was like, dang. I would. I would love that. But it's really hard being gay because, like, my mom was the first person when she found out I was gay is like, absolutely not. And she, like, took me out of dance. She was like, we can't do this. This dance is the reason why you're gay.

[A]

Whoa. That's so shocking. How did she come around?

[B]

She. I came out. My. My majority of my family was against it. And they just saw me just living my truth and being happy. And it made her question her religion. She left the church.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

She got a rainbow tattoo.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

She's like my number one supporter now.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

She like completely 180 switched.

[A]

Oh, my God. You did, like, such a big change that for her. Like, that's amazing. Like, I always think that with people. Right. Like, it's. They always say it's brave and it kind of is. Like, you could change someone's, like, whole perspective on life. Like, everything she knew just can change because of you just living your life.

[B]

But also, you know, like, mothers love their kids.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think her love for me was a lot stronger than her love for her religion.

[A]

Yeah. Because like, what. Not to get all deep, but it's like, what kind of religion is like, shames anyone for being who they are?

[B]

Like, you know, like, I don't condone that ever. I don't like that at all.

[A]

Yeah. Because whoever made us and I believe in God, I don't think he's gonna make people that he doesn't, like, love.

[B]

Like, we. He created everything.

[A]

Yeah. So it's like, what? I know it doesn't. Oh, I love that though. David Archuleta has a very similar story to that too.

[B]

A huge reason why she came around was because of his story, too.

[A]

Wait, really? He's wonderful. He came to my Greek show and I got to meet him, and I was, like, about to sob, and I was just like, I love him so much, and he has such, like a. Yeah, his story is so inspiring, too.

[B]

One of my first ever jobs choreographing was for his music video video.

[A]

Which one?

[B]

Winter in the Air. Look it up. I was. You choreographed it and I was in it. Look it up. I was like a little 17 year old.

[A]

Are you in Utah at this point?

[B]

And we were both closeted at the time, too, which is crazy. But I remember, like, I remember leaving that too. And I was, like, talking to my mom. I was like, I feel like he's gay.

[A]

Yeah. And she was like, no, no.

[B]

But he's so cute and handsome. Like, okay, whatever.

[A]

And my gator is always off. I thought he was. I thought Clay Bacon was straight. I was obsessed with Clayton, too. And I loved.

[B]

Why is your gator off? I'm concerned.

[A]

I don't know. I. I don't know. Honestly, I always think I have a pretty good one, and then I'm, like, dating.

[B]

I feel like of all queens, like, you'd be the one to know.

[A]

No, I can't clock it.

[B]

I love clocking. I love clocking closeted gays, though.

[A]

I can't. I can't. You're safe around me if you're closeted. I don't know.

[B]

Period.

[A]

Yeah. I remember when overcompensating came out because I followed Benny Drama for so long online, and I was like, did you like it? I loved it.

[B]

I loved it too.

[A]

I loved it. Didn't know he was gay. I was like, oh, I thought he was. Okay.

[B]

Wait, what? You watched that?

[A]

No, before that show came out. Because I followed him on TikTok and.

[B]

I was like, you thought he was.

[A]

Not him for six years? Yes. I don't know. He always was with girls. I don't know.

[B]

I mean, I saw it clear as day. Saw him.

[A]

I'm so bad with it. And then I saw the show and I. Was he acting? Is this real? Like, what is this?

[B]

I'll always clock him. And then, like, I'll get under their seat. My skin. I'll be like, I hope you live your truth one day.

[A]

But that's good. Can I tell you? I know some closeted people, and it's like, God, I really wish they would just live because it's so hard for them to, like, not live there. Like, Authentic self. They're older. Usually. It's like gay guys that are in, like, their 40s and stuff like that, they can't compete themselves. And I'm like, that's. And it's like, it literally tortures them. You know what I mean? It's so sad.

[B]

I mean, I know what it's like. It's terrible. You feel stuck, usually, like, very angry Men are usually closeted because they're. They're suppressing a lot of their identity.

[A]

I was gonna say, like, you couldn't really date as a teenager then.

[B]

I dated whoever my mom told me to.

[A]

You dated girls?

[B]

Yeah, but I never kissed. I, like, I would kiss the girl, but I never.

[A]

You do they know?

[B]

Oh, man. You saw. Like, you'd see me walking a mile away, and you knew. I feel like I was in denial. My mom was in denial. But I feel like if you saw me as a kid, you knew I was gay.

[A]

I've dated a few gay men, and I had no idea. And it took, like, all of West Hollywood to be like, here, he's gay, girl. He's out at Mickey's. And I was like, I don't think so. Like, literally. And I didn't know, you know? And it's been a few.

[B]

We should have packed that. I feel like, what I know.

[A]

I don't know. And then I feel bad. Cause I'm like, was I holding them in the closet? You know what I mean? Like, am I also helping this? Like, it was. It was. It's a weird.

[B]

Am I encouraging this behavior?

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. And I love. I like fluid men. I love men of, like, you know, that just. I don't like, like, straight straight. So I was like, well, maybe, you know, whatever. You just never know. As we know. Queer is all spectrums, you know?

[B]

Yeah, it is.

[A]

Jojo and everything, you know, everyone coming out, which I love, you know, know, explore. So I just thought they were exploring. But I don't know.

[B]

I mean, I think too, with what our generation is becoming too, is like, sexuality is so fluid and, like, you just don't. Like, you can't really put a label on it anymore.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's a beautiful thing. Okay, before we wrap it up, if you weren't dancing.

[B]

Oh, my God. What were you doing?

[A]

Like, if. What's your backup plan?

[B]

I feel like it, like, now that I know what I know, I'd probably. I'd probably, like, be in pr. I freaking love PR Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Are you your own. No. You Have a. You have a. Yeah. You should be your own, though, because you're so good at doing your, like, tik toks and networking.

[B]

Yeah. I just feel like naturally just kind of started doing it. And then PR people were reaching out to me. I was like, I don't need pr. Like, what are you talking about? But then when I took on pr, I was, like, obsessed with the whole process and everything.

[A]

Had anybody helped me with it? It's worth it.

[B]

Yeah, I think it is. I think for sure, too, like, it'll help get your name out there a.

[A]

Little bit more and just be. Because you are everywhere. Even when I was, like, doing this, obviously knew a lot about you. I was doing research, and you're, like, on every single podcast. Oh, my God. You really do. Like, so many podcasts. Like, it's crazy.

[B]

Do I really? Yeah, I did. Tish. Sorry, you were not Cyrus.

[A]

Is that what it's called? Is it out? I'm gonna be out before.

[B]

But it was. It was, like, hilarious because, like, I obviously, like, know Miley Cyrus, but I don't really know, like, her family's lore.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, like, they didn't really. They don't really watch Dancing with the Stars, so we. It was just a true. Get to know you.

[A]

How do you feel about. I've been on podcasts, too, where they literally know nothing.

[B]

And it's like, I live. I live. Yeah, I think it's hysterical.

[A]

Then it's just you explaining your whole Lord, everybody.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I think, too, like, even.

[A]

No research is great podcast in that podcast.

[B]

They're like, what do you think is, like, one of the most iconic things on Dancing with the Stars? I was like, nothing. And they're like, you don't think like, you.

[A]

Oh, they didn't get it. I love it.

[B]

And I was like, no, I don't think anything at all. Like, I just kind of played along with it.

[A]

Why do I feel like I saw it? You didn't see it. It's not out yet.

[B]

No, it's not yet.

[A]

There was another person who. Oh, maybe it was Cole from. Oh, Mary. Someone's like, did you read about Patti LuPone? And they were like, I don't read. And I was like, that's such a good. That's what it was giving. It's like, no, I don't think, Like.

[B]

I don't read, like, no.

[A]

Wait. Did you ask them questions about being Cyrus's.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I asked her if she had, like, a husband or whatever. I know.

[A]

Did you leave feeling good about It. That was weird.

[B]

No, Like, I think they're really sweet, and I also feel like, like. Like we had a very productive conversation, which I really liked.

[A]

Okay. Okay. I love that. I've been on a couple, too, where they, like, clearly don't know who I am. And sometimes you're just like, I get it. But also do, like, a little research. You know what I mean? Like, yeah.

[B]

Like, see what the. What the vibes are.

[A]

Yeah. Like. So have you been on.

[B]

What's your favorite podcast you've done?

[A]

I actually. I hate all the ones I do because I'm just such a. I hate when people ask me questions. I think. I think I hate all of them. I think there was a. I don't think there's one. I did good. No. Maybe call our daddy because it's big, but I don't. I. I was awful on that, too.

[B]

Really? Wow. I love all the podcasts. You do?

[A]

Thanks. I haven't done one in a relationship.

[B]

I feel like you're a professional yapper.

[A]

Not with other people. I love this. Like, this feels comfortable. It's like my tour, too. Like, love that. When I go to Pride, I'm like, they want to see who was after me. Rita Ora was after me. So I was like, they want to see her, not me. But if it's my tour, I'm very comfortable.

[B]

But also, like, you set the environment, you set the energy for World Pride. Yeah.

[A]

I was between Betty, who and Rita Ora. Tee them up.

[B]

Like. Yeah. They're cheering loud because I warm up the crowd. Yeah.

[A]

I was so nervous, and that's my favorite audience, obviously.

[B]

What was the loudest crowd you ever had?

[A]

Probably Radio City, because you played there. It's like, it echoes. Have you played?

[B]

I've never.

[A]

Never.

[B]

The tour's never. I've never been on the tour when.

[A]

I was there, because even, like, Oscars, I guess that's Dolby, huh?

[B]

We did Dolby. Dolby was loud when we were at Dolby, because it's.

[A]

Because usually the ones that are, like, inside, because Greek, you can't hear, right. Because Greek is outside. So it's like, oh, wow, no one cares here. But then Radio City, you're hearing the audience, so I'd probably say they were the loudest. But you did. I'm just kind of. The Oscars, was that everything that was every.

[B]

I messed up.

[A]

Oh, can you see it on tv?

[B]

No. I messed up in. I messed up pretty bad in our dress rehearsal when they're showing the executives.

[A]

Oh, they clocked it.

[B]

Ryan Clocked it.

[A]

Oh, no. And like, Ryan Reynolds Gosling. I get them.

[B]

Except, yeah, one of the Ryan's. I was clocked what he said.

[A]

He said this person.

[B]

Yeah, that was. And I honestly was living. Like, he said it. And then he was like, like. And I was like, yo. And then like, whatever happened, happened. I won't say what happened. And I remember just being like, we.

[A]

Didn'T get fired because you made it to the.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, no, I wasn't getting fired, but I just remember being like, tell me Mom's.

[A]

Like, you're never gonna believe.

[B]

Like, it was great.

[A]

Oh, my God. So you were kind of gagging. I love that you gag for things that people would find maybe embarrassing. And you're like, that was kind of everything.

[B]

I mean, that's life.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

You have to embrace everything.

[A]

You gotta. I know. I feel. That's how I feel too, with stuff. Because it's like, you're always gonna be humiliated. It's how you. You. How you handle it afterwards, which was everything. And I kind of. We've done so many iconic things. I do think Donny Asmin might be your ultimate one. In my mind, the fact that you.

[B]

Dance subjective, but for you.

[A]

Yeah, that's me. As soon as you said that, I was like, I already love this person.

[B]

And we're gonna talk about this for hours. I remember too, like, when I asked Donnie, like, when I left, I was like, what's. As a performer, like, what's your biggest advice? He was like, you're only as good as your last performance. And I've always, like. I've always, like, just took that with me. I was like, I don't know what that means, but I'm gonna figure it out.

[A]

But that's so true. That is you. That's so true, though, because it's like, yeah, people remember what you did last. Like, no one remembers my flop tour from six years ago. They think, oh, my gosh, I just saw that Real City.

[B]

I'm like, well, yeah, no, that's actually really true.

[A]

You know, that's good advice, Donnie. Everything he says, perfect. They're redoing. Joseph John M. Chu is redoing it.

[B]

And isn't Donnie doing it too?

[A]

I don't know if Donnie. They had rumored Britney Spears was going to be the narrator. Oh, you didn't hear these rumors. They're like, redoing it. I'm gunning so hard to be like Mrs. Potiphar or something in there. Like, I want to be in that more than Anything you need.

[B]

Britney Harris? Yeah.

[A]

She lives down the street from me. I've seen her. I see her a lot and I don't take pictures of her. Yeah, she's out and about. I see her.

[B]

Look at you being a civil citizen.

[A]

I am. I'm so, like, I'm very coy when it comes. I rarely ask for pictures with people. I have a picture with Brittany from Mean Greet. That was good enough. But I rarely do. We're gonna learn dances. How long do you think it's gonna take to teach me a. Like, if we did a 15 second dance on mine, we can do whatever you want on yours if you wanna dance or not. I don't wanna, like, ruin your aesthetic.

[B]

My aesthetic?

[A]

Yeah, just being like this floppy.

[B]

I'm like, we're not dancing for my account. Could you imagine?

[A]

Can you dance on yours?

[B]

I don't really like. Isn't that weird?

[A]

Yeah, that is weird. I would be doing all the trends.

[B]

I dance full out. I can't do a TikTok dance, really, but I'll do it. Like, I'll do it.

[A]

I love a TikTok dance. Okay, so how long do you think it'll take?

[B]

I mean, probably like most 30 minutes.

[A]

Okay. Did you ever do the greatest show, one that everyone was doing?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you remember that trend?

[B]

Yeah, I saw it. I never did it.

[A]

Wait, why? You hated it.

[B]

I mean, I. I feel like at the time I just like, wasn't feeling it.

[A]

It was the. What was the one.

[B]

But I feel like you needed a buddy to do it too, and I had no friends. Friends?

[A]

Your sister.

[B]

Oh, God. Riley.

[A]

Jojo.

[B]

Okay, okay, I'll do it next week. No, I feel like I have to do it.

[A]

I'm like, you have so many friends. Okay, all right, we'll figure out one. I'm excited. I haven't danced in, like, actually dance in like six years. I don't know.

[B]

You weren't interested on tour.

[A]

I mean, that dancing was.

[B]

Are you saying it's dancing?

[A]

Yeah, my dancing was like. I was doing Britney. I was walking across the stage a lot. I was doing that dancing Brittany Post Circus tour. Yes, yes, my Brittany Vegas residency. But again, love iconic in every way. So check us out at Dancing on our Tiktoks. We're dancing on Ezra Sosa. Dancing on Trish. Like fish and everyone. Ezra Sosa, I'm sure you'll be on Dancing the Stars this year. I'm so excited. I hope they pair you up with someone who wants to be there.

[B]

It's either like someone great or you like, let's.

[A]

I'm dead. There's my bar raised.

[B]

Are you like, who do you want? I want someone spectacular. Or Trisha.

[A]

Period. Done, done and done. What a great way to end it. We'll see you next time, guys. Thanks.