Just Trish Ep 237

Summary

Just Trish Ep 237 – “Trishmas Wish” with Ted Nivison & Oscar Gracey

Podcast: Just Trish
Host: Trisha Paytas
Co-Host: Oscar Gracey
Guest: Ted Nivison
Date: December 18, 2025

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Overview

This episode celebrates the “Trishmas Wish” with viral YouTuber and director Ted Nivison joining Trisha, Oscar, and Moses for a sprawling, hilarious, and heartwarming conversation. Trisha’s Christmas wish was, above all, to reunite with Ted—dubbed the “blueprint straight guy” of the pod—leading to a reunion filled with deep dives into pop culture, YouTube dynamics, cancel culture, award show drama, creative ambitions, Broadway dreams, AI anxieties, baby talk, and (of course) thick doses of chaotic Trish/Oscar banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Highlights

1. Ted as the “Trishmas Wish,” Friendship Dynamics, and Missed Invites

• Trisha reveals Ted as her Christmas wish guest and the “blueprint” for every straight guy discussed on the podcast (25:24).
• Oscar and Ted banter over missed invites – birthday parties, director gigs, and group activities—with Trisha admitting to chronic DM avoidance and ghosting due to anxiety (04:46, 24:11).
• Memorable exchange:
  • Trisha: “I did issue a statement via Insta for the birthday. It pained me too much to let him down, so I just avoided…” (06:03)
  • Ted: “That makes it even worse! Public forum, intense clocking.” (06:04)
  • Moses: “He’s the blueprint. You’re the one we like... That makes me feel so remarkably good.” (25:35)

2. Catching Up: Ted’s Year, Europe Trip, and Creative Projects

• Ted recaps his year and a half: traveling Europe (Italy, Portugal, France, UK), gaining 25 pounds on “real food,” and making a retro VHS music video for James Marriott (09:13–11:36).
• His recent project: directing a “mascot fight club” music video for Good Kid, with plans to include Oscar as an extra (12:01–13:40).

3. Streamer Awards & the State of Streaming

• Ted attends the Streamer Awards as an “honorary guest” despite not streaming all year (15:07).
• The hosts break down the roasting controversy (Diddy joke by Fanfan), the shifting landscape of streamer cliques, drama, “snubs,” and monetization (17:10–29:14).
• Quote:
  • Ted: “In person you don’t even realize the internet is about to morph everything into the real issue. It’s just Fanfan doing her thing…” (17:09)
  • Moses: “Most of the drama I see now is straight out of the livestream world.” (28:30)

4. YouTube, Drama, & Staying Out of Mess

• Ted and Trish discuss how newer creators often rely on drama for views—a contrast to their own drama-free approaches (30:54–32:00).
• Trisha teases her iconic “Rage Baby” videos and hints at potential return of her beloved “Tavern” TikTok character (31:13–32:22).
• Quote:
  • Moses: “You’re down to earth always. I like you because you’re never in a mess online.” (25:54)

5. AI, Cinema, and the “Avatar Movies Racist?” Question

• The group debates the ethics and impact of generative AI in film, including AI actors/celebrities (36:16–37:59).
• Trisha corners Ted on whether Avatar movies are racist—Ted gives a thoughtful, nuanced take relating to cultural appropriation and “revenge narrative” tropes (40:28).
• Ted’s Letterboxd Top 4: Howl’s Moving Castle, Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, Steve McQueen’s Hunger, and Wild Tales (42:28).

6. Director & Creative Life—Insider Tales

• Ted describes the logistics of music video production, working with producers, finding locations, and even using personal funds to “make the art better” (12:07–13:03, 89:43–90:07).
• Trish and Ted commiserate over awkward internship interviews and “embarrassing” favorite movie answers—Ted picked Elf at Blumhouse; Trish picked Hunger Games: Catching Fire at the Academy (62:13).

7. Broadway Dream Fulfilled—Trisha in Beetlejuice

• Trisha shares the detailed journey of landing her Broadway debut in Beetlejuice after a “nerve-wracking” audition while eight months pregnant (77:04–88:53).
• The whole process: from self-doubt and a grueling rehearsal week (“all day, all night”) to performing 28 shows in three weeks and facing misconceptions about influencer casting/pay.
• Quote:
  • Trisha: “Broadway was my biggest dream, and probably the furthest for me to achieve because of my lack of training. I have no shame—I paid to be there, I’d do it again.” (85:49, 89:01)

8. Touring, Burnout, and Live Performance

• Ted contemplates launching a stand-up/variety tour, navigating agency pressure vs. authentic creative ambition (79:23–81:26).
• Trisha encourages him, noting how livestream and podcast “meets and greets” often differ from genuine on-stage energy (80:42).

9. Babies, Friendships, and the 27-Year-Old Dilemma

• Ted’s best friend (and podcast co-host) became a new dad, prompting talk of career vs. parenthood timing in the content creator world (100:14–106:56).
• “You ready for a baby?” Oscar asks—Ted admits, “I’d be a killer dad…but for now, I’m focused on work.” (101:38)

10. Millennial/Gen Z Culture, “Viral” Dilution, and the Curse of Individualized Feeds

• Ted laments how “viral” now signifies any promoted trend—true virality is dead due to algorithmic feeds (59:49–61:30).
• The group reminisces about YouTube’s golden age, Obama-era millennial optimism, and shifting generational “cringe” perceptions (57:06–59:02).

11. Existential Questions: Wealth, Overconsumption, and Social Good

• Moses and Trisha muse over their lottery dream: buy the neighbor’s $10-million house with a water slide, then start a spaghetti philanthropy project (52:12–53:39).
• Ted reflects on “doordash guilt” and being a non-consumer—still driving his 2002 Toyota Tacoma (55:06).

12. The Ted Death Hoax Prophecy

• Revisiting an old YouTube joke: “I am Ted Nivison and I will die October 23, 2025,” which circulated in his fandom and haunted him this year (107:53).
• Quote:
  • Ted: “As I was going to sleep October 22, I really hoped I’d wake up… Now that it’s passed, I’m gonna live forever.” (109:16)

13. Loch Ness Monster, Irrational Fears, & Training Nessie

• Chaotic speculation: could Ted train Nessie (the Loch Ness monster) to do math? Would that be problematic? (137:05)
• The group spirals into the Scottishness of Ted’s ancestry, irrational fears (open water, IRL streamers), and the eternal cringe of being called “Millennial.” (134:02, 131:41)

14. Spontaneous Broadway/SciFi/Music Tangents

• Doctor Who fandom, TikTok song “Gnarly,” Spongebob dance challenges, and Trish/Oscar’s cosplay dreams (75:02–77:04, 113:02–114:22, 141:12).

15. Ending with Wishes, Podcast Ideas, and Future Promises

• Discussion of possible spin-off podcasts (“Tall and Small,” “Ted & Oscar’s Excellent Adventure”), the end of Ted’s Chuckle Sandwich, and Trish manifesting another appearance from Ted (144:15).
• Quote:
  • Moses: “You are the Trishmas Miracle!” (144:06)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Trisha: “I issued a statement via Instagram—couldn’t face letting him down.” (06:03)
• Oscar: “You’re the blueprint. You’re the one we like, that makes me feel so remarkably good.” (25:35)
• Ted: “In person you don’t realize the internet’s about to morph everything into the real issue.” (17:09)
• Moses: “Most drama now is from the livestream world.” (28:30)
• Ted: “Authenticity makes you the gay community favorite. Are we just talking about the f-slur?” (23:39)
• Ted: “I have a Bachelor of Science in Cinema. No idea why it’s Science.” (35:46)
• Trisha: “Broadway was my biggest dream, and probably the furthest for me to achieve…” (85:49)
• Ted: “The word viral is so diluted now. No Lululemon leggings have gone viral.” (59:49)
• Ted: “I’m not overconsuming—I still drive my truck from 2002.” (55:20)
• Ted: “I really hoped I’d wake up on October 23. Now I’m gonna live forever.” (109:16)
• Ted: “I'm giving Nessie more freedom… Training Nessie in math—someone’s got to clip that.” (138:52)
• Moses: “You are the Trishmas Miracle!” (144:06)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:49 – Ted’s Presidential “Kennedy” middle name, Massachusetts roots
• 04:46 – The saga of missed events, ghosted invites, anxiety
• 09:13 – What’s changed for Ted in 1.5 years; Euro trip
• 12:01 – Behind the scenes: directing music videos & mascot fight club
• 15:07 – Inside the Streamer Awards, “honorary” status
• 17:10 – Roasting controversy, Fanfan, and the Diddy joke
• 25:24 – Ted is the “blueprint straight guy,” Christmas wish
• 30:54 – Drama, creator culture, and why Ted stays out of mess
• 36:16 – AI, cinema, ethics, and acting
• 40:28 – Are Avatar movies racist—Ted’s take
• 42:28 – Ted’s Letterboxd Top 4 & Edgar Wright fandom
• 62:13 – Awkward internship interview stories (Elf, Hunger Games)
• 77:04 – Trisha’s Beetlejuice Broadway journey
• 85:49 – Trisha gets the call: Broadway dream comes true
• 100:14 – Babies, friends’ parenting timelines, creative careers
• 109:16 – The Ted death hoax prophecy resolved
• 134:02 – Irrational fears, open water, Megalodon
• 137:05 – Can Ted train Nessie? Scottish tangent
• 141:12 – Gnarly, TikTok pop, and the “viral” dilution
• 144:06 – Ted as the Trishmas Miracle; closing banter

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Candid and playful (as always), with Trisha’s signature openness and Oscar’s dry humor.
• Deeply self-aware while riffing on personal failings, industry trends, and internet drama.
• Heartwarming—Trisha and Oscar genuinely adore Ted, with the entire episode radiating found-family holiday reunion energy.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is a wild tumble of juicy internet stories, heartfelt creative confessions, and “chosen family” energy, with Ted Nivison’s visit serving as both Trisha’s ultimate holiday wish and a surprisingly deep dive into what it means to be an online creator—striving for authenticity, dodging drama, and dreaming bigger. Whether you’re here for Trisha’s Broadway tales, deep pop culture cuts, Gen Z/Millennial feud takes, or just infectious group chemistry, this episode delivers a thoroughly entertaining, funny, and human holiday listen.

Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. Trust me. It pained me more than it pained anyone else in this room.

[Ted Nivison]

This is.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Ted Nivison]

It doesn't feel real. It's real. It feels like. It feels like performance here. My heart was just aching. Like, it was aching. That doesn't feel real to me. I was just.

[Moses Hacmon]

Ah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Ted Nivison]

I just wanted to be there so bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I.

[Ted Nivison]

Then you were.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know what?

[Ted Nivison]

Then you didn't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's like.

[Ted Nivison]

I need some more water. Her name is trish.

[Moses Hacmon]

Hello. Welcome to Just Trish. We're here with Oscar's Christmas Wish, a favorite guest of the podcast. Kind of a surprise favorite of the podcast. Right? Everyone's kind of getting. Anyways, he's back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone's shocked.

[Ted Nivison]

I love being the. I love being the dark horse of the Trisha Paytas podcast.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, it doesn't seem like it fits, but you do. Tennificent. Theodore Nificent is your full name. I just found out.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Theodore Kennedy Nivison Jr. Crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

You sound like you should run for office.

[Ted Nivison]

I know. Yeah. I've got, like, two presidential names in my full name because I've got the Kennedy and the Theodore by design.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do you think that's why?

[Ted Nivison]

Well, honestly, just kind of copy paste from my dad because he's Theodore Kennedy, and I know they really went.

[Moses Hacmon]

I wonder if Kennedy was president when your dad was born.

[Ted Nivison]

I think it was the. It was some sort of family name from a different, like a cousin or something like that. I don't know if it was, like, straight up, like, presidential Kennedys, though. But I am from Massachusetts, so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Is that where they're from?

[Ted Nivison]

My dad's from New Jersey, and my mom is from Massachusetts. She's from Brockton. Brockton. Next.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, we've been.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ironically, how the last.

[Ted Nivison]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

My friend Jeff is from Brockton, but, like, grew up in Newton, and I have a Boston guys.

[Ted Nivison]

Whoa. That's. That's cool. Yeah, Brockton's. Brockton's cool.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I love it.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like Massachusetts. You're from there. You're a national treasure.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much.

[Moses Hacmon]

When we have a Nipissen.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Thank you so much.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well made.

[Ted Nivison]

I'm so excited to be here in the Church of Faith.

[Moses Hacmon]

I want to know about you two, because I feel you guys have been crossing paths. He would come on and be like.

[Ted Nivison]

Now, here's the thing. And Oscar knew this was coming, but I have a bone to pick with Oscar because I would say that I'm, what, two for two on showing up for the Things that you've invited me to. It's true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Here we go.

[Ted Nivison]

I have invited Oscar to, I think four separate things.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it has not been four.

[Ted Nivison]

It's two. I don't know. I feel like there was a. There was maybe a birthday. It felt like four. It felt like twice as much as it was.

[Moses Hacmon]

Was there a birthday? Was there a basketball thing, or. No. Was that just something you wanted?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, that was just me manifesting.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's you manifesting.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, I haven't actually been playing too much basketball with Hassan lately, but if I get back in. Well, what part do you live in? Like, the. Close to, like, Hollywood. At all.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'll be there if Hasan's there.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's not this way.

[Ted Nivison]

He's this way.

[Moses Hacmon]

But we'll make the drive.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

But the first one was I invited him to my birthday.

[Moses Hacmon]

Birthday's crazy to not go to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

You.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I saw it, like, the night of your birthday, though, and it was too much to mentally prepare as you. Now I'm gonna pull you back because, as you know, it takes, like, a couple of weeks to mentally prepare for an event when you are anxious. When you're anxious.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, yeah, so that's that one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Did you invite him day of.

[Ted Nivison]

I don't think so, no.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was the same week, though. But, you know, I'm late on DMs. I never see DMs.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. And then.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow, you invited him. That's literally so nice.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow. You invited everyone.

[Ted Nivison]

I also invited you. Oh. What?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I didn't see.

[Ted Nivison]

I think I sent you, like, a DM on, like, Instagram or whatever thing. Yeah, whatever thing that we're mutuals on. I sent you one there. Oh, wait, I wasn't gonna bring it up.

[Moses Hacmon]

Send it to Moses and I'll see it be, like, for Trish.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. From you. It wasn't as big a deal from you, because I was like, she's a businesswoman.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, I got knowledge of this woman.

[Ted Nivison]

You're a business otter. You're a business otter.

[Moses Hacmon]

Ooh, I love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Me too.

[Ted Nivison]

I love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Business otters. That's crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. No, I learned so much. I learned so much last time I was on.

[Moses Hacmon]

You have a good memory. We talked about that.

[Ted Nivison]

I mean, how could I forget that? Oscar's an otter. Oscar the otter.

[Trisha Paytas]

Gee. And there's also the goon. You did introduce her to Gooning. That's a whole other thing.

[Ted Nivison]

Gooning.

[Moses Hacmon]

I took off with that this year. Really isn't it? Really?

[Ted Nivison]

You became A Goon Queen.

[Moses Hacmon]

Every. Every show, everywhere.

[Ted Nivison]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

She does it live on stage, and it's always a hit every time she Goonies.

[Ted Nivison]

Really? Do I? Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I never heard of it. And then they're like, oh, talked about it. I was like, don't remember. I don't remember anything. I don't remember anything I didn't want to talk about, including myself. So it's like, okay, yeah, you didn't. And then.

[Ted Nivison]

So the second thing, though, that I invited Oscar to was this was more recent, but I was directing a music video, which we had talked about last time about how I do that, and we needed extras. And I was like, well, of course I'll invite Oscar to be an extra.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yep.

[Ted Nivison]

Said yes, by the way. Said yes to it. Ghosted.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, ghosted.

[Trisha Paytas]

First of all, I told you this on Hot, but you don't you forget it was a hot topic. Yes, I talked about this. I said it pained me to even, like, look at the dm because. Because I had to work. It was a Wednesday at, like, 10am or like, a Tuesday, even.

[Ted Nivison]

No, it was. It was like a big ask at a base level.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was not employed at, like, a corporate job. I would have been there. Your directorial work means the most to me.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why did you say yes?

[Trisha Paytas]

I said, I will try. If I can get off work, then I will be there. And I did try to get off work, but I couldn't.

[Ted Nivison]

I don't know how true.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it was the same. Yes. And it was the same time. I couldn't even get off to see you in Beetlejuice. So, Yeah, I. I was out of days off, to be honest. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

All right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but. And then it pained me too much to, like, let him down. So I'm like, I'm just gonna avoid this.

[Ted Nivison]

But then when I'm just gonna wait until he brings it up on a public forum.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did.

[Ted Nivison]

Which makes it so many times more of an intense clocking.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. But I guess he has some points.

[Ted Nivison]

Clocking the T. Clocking the T. You're clocking it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And when I missed your birthday party, I did issue a statement via.

[Ted Nivison]

I did see that. I did see that. That was ridiculous.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's actually crazy, though, because the way you talk about Ted is the way I talk about Gerard White, and I would drop everything. It's my kid's birthday. I'm giving birth. Dropped. I'm going like, I was contemplating how to go to MCR while I was giving birth. Like, it's just.

[Ted Nivison]

Like.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's just no thing that could Keep me away from a birthday party of someone I love.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just couldn't, like, because I technically could just be awol, I guess, from work for a day. I don't know what would happen.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just say you're sick. Oh, I got. I'm sick.

[Ted Nivison]

But I was like, God, I got Ted Nimisonitis.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Me too.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love that excuse. Like, honestly, no. 100. If Gerard was a come beat my music video, I'm like, I will drop everything. Like, I don't care what I'm doing.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I wouldn't if I was.

[Ted Nivison]

I feel like the two different. These are two different level things.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think he loves you more than I love Gerard way. Because he talks like. Like, more. Yeah, in the best way. Like, your Christmas wish was 10 of us and to come back. It's like mine was like, you know, my kids, to be happy, world peace, all that stuff like that. You're like, no, Ted. I was like, period.

[Ted Nivison]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I think you're. You're. And you were number one. I think about anybody, really.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I only had two wishes, and it was you and Jen McAllister. And so one out of two. That's a good.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like it'd be a Gen 2, but. Yeah, but you're in communication because you guys also saw each other at a live event. Was that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, at Cutie and Maya's.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, we. We, like, it was like we crossed paths. Yeah. It was like I came on, I went on whine about it with Cutie and Maya, and then I was walking out and then. And then Oscar was showing up and I was like, whoa. Hey.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, did you do that?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, I was like, hello. I don't know specifically what the. What the.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, what do you remember? Do you remember the.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know specifically. You're like, ted went, get your phone out. We should do a little video. And I was like, okay.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. I was like, we should do a thing. We should do a thing for the. For the people who are invested.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Did you ever post it?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, yeah. He posted on store.

[Moses Hacmon]

What was it? What was.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, just for, like the PR with your PR agency.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Oscar pr Post it. So. Yeah, it worked.

[Moses Hacmon]

The link worked.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Did you, like, tease like, oh, we're working on something that. Or you're just like, I just ran into him.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it was just like, we ran into each other. Yeah. I wasn't full strategized, I guess.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

It was an old market.

[Moses Hacmon]

We didn't like each other. Maybe it's the round Glasses and the hair. But you guys kind of do look like each other.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Last time you said. And this is what I'll caption my Instagram is, why doesn't the big Ted Nivison eat the small Ted Nivicine?

[Ted Nivison]

So that was a comment a lot. That's funny.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was literally someone said about me and Trixie Mattel, too. The same thing. Oh, my gosh. Well, we love. We love to talk. Oliver, how are you?

[Ted Nivison]

I'm doing good. I mean, it's. Man, it's been a year and a half. That's so crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Year and a half. Yeah, it was May or, like, April of 2024.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. I feel like I'm kidless, so I feel like I don't have as well of a. Like, a means to determine how time moves.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, do you have something like, what would you say happened in that year and a half that you'd be like, wow, this is what happened, man.

[Ted Nivison]

I don't know. Like, I gained, like, 25 pounds. That was a pain. That was a pain.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was bad. You didn't want to do that?

[Ted Nivison]

No, I didn't want to. See, here's. Okay. So went to Europe this summer. That was fun. I had never been to, like, I went to Italy. It was like a whole, like, family thing. And then. And then my girlfriend and I, we went, like, all around Europe. We went to, like, Portugal and, like, France and stuff like that. And I'll. Here's the thing, I'll say about Europe that I think not a lot of people. And I'm looking at you, Moses, too, because I feel like everyone's heard this, where people. When people in America go to Italy or something, they're like, oh, I lost, like, 15 pounds.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Ted Nivison]

The food there is so fresh. It's so real. Not to that. Not to me. I'm like, I gained weight out there.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm like, oh, really?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. I was like, I was expanding. I thought. I was like, I got scammed. I don't know if I was eating, like, the fast. I mean, granted, I do try in every country I go to, but it wasn't like I was eating it all the time.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe that was the.

[Ted Nivison]

Maybe that was it just the one thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, actually. You know what they actually say it's, like, less processed over there. That it's like real meat and it's better for you.

[Ted Nivison]

Right, Exactly. That's what I thought, too. And then I, you know, then I. Maybe I'm putting. I should probably put. We started in, like, two days in Ireland, and Ended in the uk. So maybe I can put the blame on the uk.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm surprised because their food's usually not that tasty, so I'm surprised that you.

[Ted Nivison]

Would have gave way in just Europe or the uk.

[Moses Hacmon]

The UK specifically.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, they. I don't know, they had some good stuff. I'm trying to remember, like. Like what, what I even have that I like. Yeah. I don't even know if I had the beans and toast. Maybe that was the critical. That's a critical cultural meal they have over there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's not great, but they like it.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. But yeah, no, I did a Euro trip this summer which was cool.

[Moses Hacmon]

How long?

[Ted Nivison]

It was like a month.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow, that's a long time. Are you making content? Are you just vacationing?

[Ted Nivison]

The only content I made was I did like, I made. I was really into a VHS camera that I was like filming everything my whole trip on. And then I ended up making a little like, kind of very low key music video for my buddy James Marriott when I was in Brighton in the uk. That's why we ended up in the UK for a little bit there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is it out?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, that's out, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Are both of your videos out? The one you want an Oscar in? 2. Are they both out?

[Ted Nivison]

The one that I want an Oscar in will probably be out by the time that this. When does this come out?

[Moses Hacmon]

Tomorrow.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, it comes out tomorrow?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Ted Nivison]

Holy crap. Turn around. Then it'll come out. Like, I think that, like, in the context of this, when this is out, it'll come out tomorrow. I think it comes out on Friday.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, okay. Okay. And who was it? Was it for?

[Ted Nivison]

It's for a band called Good Kid.

[Moses Hacmon]

Good Kid. Okay. And you directed it?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, yeah, I did.

[Moses Hacmon]

How do you. Do you have a production company then or how does that work?

[Ted Nivison]

So I worked with one producer on a. On a bunch of previous music videos, but they weren't available for the one for this one in particular. So I had to, like, use the connections that I had for people that also did film to find. Basically the way it works is you just need to find like a producer that can basically that. That has like production insurance. That's really all you need. And then they can like, you can do all the stuff like renting equipment and like getting locations and stuff. So I got in contact with this one producer, Chris, and he kind of like helped me pull the whole thing together.

[Moses Hacmon]

And what was Oscar's role gonna be?

[Ted Nivison]

He was going to be. Well, the music video is about like a mascot fight club, like In a ring. So it's like.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love it. So comedic.

[Ted Nivison]

Comedic, but also kind of dramatic in a way, too. But we needed a bunch of people to be in the crowd that's like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Going, like, you know, oh, he was gonna be a crowd goer. He was gonna be a crowd.

[Ted Nivison]

He was gonna be a crowd goer. Yeah. I mean, it was pretty awesome, though. I mean, we got a guy. So it's a guy in a gorilla costume versus, like, the singers. The singers in the, like, teddy bear mascot costume. But he's like. We replaced him with a, like a stunt person or, like, a boxer guy for, like, the actual fighting portions. Because the guy in the gorilla costume was, like, a three year. He was in the WWE for, like, three years, so he did, like, these, like, slams on him in the ring and stuff and was, like, running the ropes back and forth.

[Moses Hacmon]

And you were directing it all?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, yeah, I directed the whole thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

And little choreography, I guess there too.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, there's a little bit of fight choreography, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow. Okay. So you've been busy. So that's why you went to the uk. Why were you in, like, Italy? Just family, you said?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, there was like. So usually my family will do like, every other year or something? Well, usually, like, my grandmother, she used to do this thing where she would have the whole family, like, in the Jersey shore or something at, like, a one house where everyone stayed in one house and the whole family gets together. And then when she passed away, our family kind of kept doing it. And my cousin Maggie was like. One year was like, all right, 2025, we're doing the Italy trip. And it was like, we had never done anything like that before, but we ended up getting, like. We all pitched in and got, like, this house in Tuscany that we all stayed in. And then there was, like, a couple nights where there was, like, a pizza chef.

[Moses Hacmon]

So your cousin Maggie, you said, is the one, like, coordinated all this. She's like the spirit spearhead of all this. Or she just decided.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, well, she was one of the big pitchers for it, I think. Yeah. Maggie and my cousin's wife, Jolie, they were really kind of. They were the planners. This is super interesting information.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, I also love that you mentioned that you had a girlfriend, because it's very. You're a streamer? Yes.

[Ted Nivison]

I haven't streamed in so long.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're not.

[Ted Nivison]

I end up at the streamer awards, but I'm a YouTuber primarily.

[Moses Hacmon]

Were you at the big streamer Awards that just happened? Were you there?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

How was that?

[Ted Nivison]

It was Good.

[Moses Hacmon]

Everyone is like, so, like, everything's really secretive. Right.

[Ted Nivison]

And then about the Streamer Awards, like, the event that Cutie Wren. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

How was that?

[Ted Nivison]

It was great. It was great. I think it was like, the fifth annual one. I love going every year. You know, she invites me every year, and I haven't. I didn't stream all year and. So did you win? I didn't win, Jack. No. No.

[Moses Hacmon]

You just went.

[Ted Nivison]

No, I would be. I feel like I would be afra that people would get mad at me if I did get nominated because I didn't stream at all.

[Trisha Paytas]

Honorary.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, honorary. I love that, though, because I'm just. I know so many people in the streaming space, so it's like. It's kind of like. I don't know, it's like the streaming face has changed a little bit over the years. But it's kind of fun because you just get to. Everyone comes into town. You just get to see, like, a bunch of friends.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is amazing. The budget. I love QT Shout out qt. She made Elvis's first birthday cake literally free.

[Ted Nivison]

Did she come? Has she come on the pod?

[Moses Hacmon]

No. Would love. Hook it up anytime. Want her, invite her. She's amazing. Like, I don't know her personally. Obviously, we know each other. And she's like, I'll make Elvis's cake. And I was. It was this huge, like, stitch cake she made. Spent like five hours on it.

[Ted Nivison]

She's a whiz with the baking.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my. Like, I was like. And then, like, let me know how much. And she's like, oh, no. Like, it's just on me. I was like, okay. Like, literally the nicest. Yeah. Amazing. Have you had her cakes? Have you tried them?

[Ted Nivison]

Do you know what's crazy? I have not. But I've always seen them. I've always been. I've orbited them in some way, but I've never. Just never been at a. Well, maybe. Maybe at some point I had some sort of. I don't know. I've never had one of the, like, the crazy ones, though. That's for sure.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're tasty. So in real life, at the Streamer Awards, are you just, like, gagged by what's going on? Are you like. Cause, you know, there was, like, a little bit of drama, I guess you could say backlash.

[Trisha Paytas]

With the roasting jokes.

[Moses Hacmon]

With the roasting jokes.

[Ted Nivison]

I saw that. I saw that. And it's funny. Cause in the moment when you're. When you're there in person, like, you don't really, like, you know, how the Internet works, where it's like something goes through a filter and then people offer their opinions, and then suddenly something kind of morphs into becoming what the actual issue or narrative or whatever is.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Ted Nivison]

It's like, in the moment, it was just like Fanfan was just going around doing her thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Ted Nivison]

And when it happened, I was like, oh, there's probably some sort of implicative inside joke here that I'm missing. We're privy to. Yeah. We're talking about, like, the Diddy mention thing. Right. The Diddy joke thing with.

[Moses Hacmon]

There was the Diddy joke. There was just, you know, I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, just every one of her jokes was a very specific. It was very specific. So she said anyone outside of the audience was like, yeah, yeah, confirmed.

[Moses Hacmon]

She did not write those.

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Ted Nivison]

I think she was probably just him. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me getting everything wrong. Okay, what about. Do you think there was any snubs?

[Ted Nivison]

Snubs? How do you mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think Vanilla Mason weren't right. She's like. She wasn't she, like, the streamer of the year? Because she is the most popular this year and she got no wins.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, that's. That's a bummer. I've, like, do you know her?

[Moses Hacmon]

I love the villains.

[Ted Nivison]

I actually met her for the first time at. I introduced. Because I'd never met her before, but I just, like, introduced myself to her because, like, we know a bunch of the same people.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

At. It was the premiere for Markiplier's new movie, and it was like an after party, and I just said hi, and she's very nice. And I think, honestly, we related on some things, but I'm like, I don't want to dox that like that stuff. So I was like, but we connected. We connected and it was good.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love that. I love when you can censor yourself.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. It was, like, from the area that she's from. Then I was like, I don't know. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

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[Ted Nivison]

Get some water.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Who would you win?

[Ted Nivison]

Who would I win? Yes, who would I want to win? Honestly, I feel like, have you seen the burnt peanut guy? I've been really into that. This is like, this is not going to track with you guys at all because it's like, you big video, you big gamer. Trisha.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe I love Minecraft for Halloween this year.

[Ted Nivison]

So there's this game that's popping off right now called Arc Raiders. No, no. It's falling Flat. I know it. No one. No one's getting it. Well, there's this streamer, Burnt Peanut, who like makes. Puts his face in like that instrument, like that Snapchat filter where you look like a peanut, where it gets rid of your nose and it's just like the eyes on the mouth or whatever. Well, he's been blowing up and he's very funny and he won a bunch at the. And I was like, that's cool because I've been seeing his clips on TikTok and stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

Burnt Peanut. You know him?

[Ted Nivison]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cutie did say next year I could present an award.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know why you weren't there. You've been on Cutie's podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know she did. She called me. She said, I forgot. I forgot that you wanted to present, but next year you can. And I was like, okay. So I've been practicing my. My what I'd say on the show.

[Moses Hacmon]

And what is it? Okay, let's hear it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, this will be my little test. Hey, everyone. Last year Cutie got some flack because she said that gamer. The streamer awards were a little too gay. So she brought me. And honestly, when you have Hasan and Austin show at the. In the front table, I could see why. Will you two queens give it a rest? That's all I got.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's pretty good. You're.

[Ted Nivison]

I like that. Yeah. No, you've like literally written it. It's memorized. Like you've got it memorized like year in advance.

[Moses Hacmon]

The delivery was good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Thank you. I have to workshop it a little bit more. I was originally gonna say a slur, but I figured maybe not.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe I'll just maybe not get her canceled.

[Ted Nivison]

I feel like that. No one. You wouldn't get canceled though, because you're. You're gay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I get the pass.

[Ted Nivison]

Are we. Are we just talking about the f. Slur.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, of course.

[Moses Hacmon]

And everybody says it. My mean greets. Everyone's just like, woo. I'm.

[Ted Nivison]

And if anything, if you're saying it to Austin, I mean, that's just friendly fire.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tea, right?

[Ted Nivison]

Yep. Yep.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think it's. I don't think it's bad. I don't know. You listen to him. I have no idea.

[Ted Nivison]

I imagine that Hasan is very popular with. With the gay community.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, Very much so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So I think they would love it. Yeah, I think they would love it. I think Hassan would especially.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe you guys could present together.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. We have a little bit. Us producing.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh my God. Yeah. Should we do the matching outfits? And we, like. And we, like, stand next to each other and we're like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like that, you know, and just deadpan.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, like deadpan.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, that's it.

[Ted Nivison]

I don't know. I don't know what the. I mean, we're workshopping it right now. Who knows? Who knows how it'll end up in its final form? We got a year. We got a year to work it out.

[Moses Hacmon]

You guys do have, like, so good chemistry. That's why I was, like, so disappointed when you couldn't make it work for Ted. Like you said, he's been here twice.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I was like, I know, I know. Trust me. It pained me more than it pained anyone else.

[Ted Nivison]

This room, this is just.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Ted Nivison]

It doesn't feel real.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's real.

[Ted Nivison]

It feels like. It feels like performance here.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was confessed immediately. I came on here and confused.

[Ted Nivison]

My heart. Heart was just aching, like, was aching. That doesn't feel real to me. I just.

[Moses Hacmon]

Ah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Ted Nivison]

I just wanted to be there so bad. But then you were.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's. You know what?

[Ted Nivison]

Then you didn't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's.

[Ted Nivison]

I need some more water.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm getting.

[Ted Nivison]

I'm getting. I'm getting pissed.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I was. I was. I was shocked when he told me all that. I was like, wait, what? You're getting invited to all these things and you're saying no? It's insane.

[Ted Nivison]

But, yeah. No, it was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I didn't say no. I just ghosted, which is crazier.

[Moses Hacmon]

You knew about it and didn't follow up?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Which is.

[Ted Nivison]

He was avoidant. Why?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, that's very.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's how I process things. But it does pain me to reject you. I'm like, I can't. So I just avoid it.

[Ted Nivison]

That's such a. It's such a specific word, too. It pains you.

[Moses Hacmon]

It does.

[Ted Nivison]

It does.

[Trisha Paytas]

I confess immediately.

[Ted Nivison]

It's with a heavy heart. I have to say that I cannot show up.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is very genuine. Like, I think for anyone else, I would just ghost and not think about it, but for you, I thought it stuck with me. It's been heavy on my heart and on my confidence. Conscious this whole time.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I love that you keep asking, and I love that you have to make a video. I love that you're the one that keeps persisting. That's very sweet. Like, you're the biggest, big fan. But he's the one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Probably the one. Ted Nibs and fan, for sure. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And not ironically.

[Ted Nivison]

No, it's. It's Great. I've never, you know, I. I'm so. I'm very flattered. I'm very flattered. Every time I. I'm reminded of it because it's, you know, so I'm just. Okay. So the. The Christmas wish came up, but you guys were telling me it's every episode I'm coming up, but I'm wondering how, like, I just don't think that I really, as a person have that much to talk about where it could come up every time you does.

[Trisha Paytas]

It does. I think every time we talk about a straight guy, we, like, compare whatever straight guy we're talking to to you and then.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, like, you're the comparison?

[Ted Nivison]

Am I the blueprint?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, you're the blueprint.

[Ted Nivison]

Blue bird.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're the one we like. You're like the.

[Ted Nivison]

That makes me feel so remarkably good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

And I'm not gonna let it get to my head. Let me just make that clear first. I'm not gonna, like. Because I know that people watching around there's like, oh, I'm not gonna let it get to my head, guys.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're down to earth always. And I think that's why, like, I like you because you're just, like, low key. You know what I mean? I'm never seeing you in, like, a mess online. And I was like, oh, I like that.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, yeah, dude, I would never. I don't like messes online. Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not very. I mean, I think we talked about this last time. I'm like, not super. Not super into the drama. Well, but you were looking for some tea from the Stream Awards.

[Moses Hacmon]

One thing that did happen, I was looking for tea.

[Ted Nivison]

One thing that did happen that was crazy in the moment was it was like they were doing a little transition from one award to another. And then I don't know this streamer specifically, but a woman came up on stage and then she started, like, saying to Mike, she was like, so and so should have won this award.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you saw that?

[Ted Nivison]

Do you know the specifics of that? Because I was watching it happen and I was like, oh, this shouldn't be. I was like, oh, that's not allowed.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, so you knew in the moment?

[Ted Nivison]

Well, yeah, because it was like they said that someone else, I think they said that, like, Maya was coming out and then this other person came from the audience and came on stage. It was like.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, fully.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was not India Love. India Love?

[Ted Nivison]

Is her name India Love? Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then ironically, it was like the award for women was about to happen. And then she came on and she was like, rakai, deserve to win stream of the year.

[Ted Nivison]

Bow, bow, bow.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then she got escorted out.

[Moses Hacmon]

They escorted her out.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. No, the security was like escorting her out of the building.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oscars had no security come up when Will Smith came in. You remember this one? They're like, oh, we're taking her off. We're just talking. I mean, granted, probably rightfully so. Was someone up there accepting or. She was just by herself.

[Ted Nivison]

It was like in a transition. Like one person just left and then someone was gonna come out. But then in that period she came up. It was like. I think I was seeing some stuff online. The. The controversy was that they were like, why'd they keep her turn her mic on or something? Because their mic was on. So like it was streamed. So they. They could have not had her mic on or something like that. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

What do you mean, Mike? Like she was mic'd or the mic in front of her, like the mic.

[Ted Nivison]

In front of her was like transmitting to the like live.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I just thought not to turn it off. I don't know.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what. What would have been better is to allow themselves to make that moment and have it turn into whatever it would be or turn it off or to turn it off. Because then it's like, I don't know. There's just so many angles that drama can go where it's like. Because then it's like you're silencing a woman if you turn off the love.

[Moses Hacmon]

See, that's why we like how you think that is. Very true. You shouldn't do that either.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Shouldn't silence a woman.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, period. Honestly, that I think, I think in general we could just do away with drama if there was no live anything, like no live streaming, no live award shows. Because all the drama comes from live streamers this year. You know, it's like, just don't be live. And I'm not trying to victim blame people are like, whatever.

[Ted Nivison]

But like, I mean, you're right though.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not know where we're at. Yeah, right on the dot.

[Ted Nivison]

You know, you're for sure right about like most of the drama I feel like I'm seeing is like, yeah, no, the live stream community is very splintered. More so than it was in the past. Like, I feel like there's a bunch of streamers that are like now super like red pilled and they're just like talking just. Just spewing crap out of their mouths on Twitter the whole time. It's. Yeah, no, it's. It's messy and it's. And it's weird because there was a period where that. I remember where it was like everyone was just, like, chill with each other.

[Moses Hacmon]

And it was like, whoa, no, not anymore.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, I think that's just also kind of what happens when, like. Like a space just gets bigger, is that, like, conflict is just bound to happen like that, you know?

[Moses Hacmon]

But you don't feel like the Hype House. You know what I mean? You see it with.

[Ted Nivison]

I feel like you definitely saw it with Hype House.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like Kelly, Addison, Alex, Warren, they're all so cool with each other. They're all Grammy nominees.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, I feel like that Hype House was like. Wasn't there a whole thing with the manager of the Hype House that was.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, an old person taking advantage of him? Like, he was, like, an older guy that took advantage of these young kids.

[Ted Nivison]

Wasn't he, like, around the same age as them, though?

[Moses Hacmon]

28. And they were 18. That's a big age gap from 18 to 28.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, that's a. That's what some might call an inappropriate age gap.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, exactly. Like, if it's old.

[Ted Nivison]

He was 28. Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right. Thomas was his name. I think he was, like, 28, and they were like, 18, or some of them were, like, 16.

[Ted Nivison]

The only thing I vaguely remember on was he had very thick eyebrows.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, he had thick eyebrows. And he was a little dubious. Like, he was, like, I think taking advantage of them a little bit. Like, just taking percentages of, like.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, like, crazy. Like, like 50% of their ad deals.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or something like that much. And this is all, like, alleged, but his argument was like, I paid for the house and this and that. I don't know. But maybe he wasn't. I think maybe he did say he wasn't.

[Ted Nivison]

I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I could be. All I know is he was very old and they had issues with him. Old in the sense, compared to a 16.

[Ted Nivison]

But at the very least, there's tea. Drama right in there with the hypos.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right. Okay. There you go. Period YouTubers, I think. OG YouTubers. We had no drama. I started 2007. Okay, think about 2007. Maybe later on. But 2007, was there any drama between. Smosh.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. I mean, you've never had any sort.

[Moses Hacmon]

Of drama at all out of the equation. I don't consider myself in any of these categories.

[Ted Nivison]

I've never been embroiled in anything. Nothing ever. Nothing has Ever happened.

[Moses Hacmon]

I've done good thing out of drama these past six, four years.

[Ted Nivison]

Absolutely. I agree.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, I'm trying to be like you. I really do.

[Ted Nivison]

Isn't it so much more peaceful? Isn't it so nice?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

I would say to a certain degree. The drama I feel like is. It's. It's lucrative.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Ted Nivison]

For some people. Like, I think that. Oh, yeah. And like clipping stuff too. Like clips of like live streams and stuff like that. And like. Yeah, no, I was the OG Rage, baby. You were?

[Moses Hacmon]

You for sure. And I was. I was like. Everyone hated me for. But I was like, we love Rage, baby. It's like this.

[Ted Nivison]

Are you still, you know, what you should keep doing or if you're. You might still be doing them. Are you still doing the Tavern stuff?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I did retire those about a.

[Ted Nivison]

You retired, though?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's in the works for a show. We're shopping it around. Yeah. So that's why. Yeah, yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Kind of like a. Like a Royal court kind of thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, we're talking Bridgerton.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, like full on narrative.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'll take a Royal court, though. I will take that too. But we are very similar. We should do a crossover. Yes, yes. I'll take either one. We're aiming for. Bridgerton would love a royal Court. We're now still on TikTok, but I retired it. Cause I was like. Well, let me hold it off for a minute, but maybe I should bring it back and get some more people excited about it. Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Cause I feel like that's a pretty universally loved format.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me do one.

[Ted Nivison]

Hello, can we get a hello, traveler?

[Moses Hacmon]

You, me or you?

[Ted Nivison]

You?

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Are you gonna role play with me?

[Ted Nivison]

Do you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do you improv?

[Ted Nivison]

All right, I'll do some improv with you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

I'll. Yes. Sand. Ya.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

Should I be also, like, kind of like the. Like, I should put on an accent too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's like a patron. Okay. This is like the pilot.

[Ted Nivison]

The pilot. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm so bad at improv with people.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay, so. Okay, here we go.

[Moses Hacmon]

So, all right, I'll be. I'll start. Be like, hello, traveler. What brings you into the tavern?

[Ted Nivison]

Oi. Give me the biggest point of hell that you go.

[Moses Hacmon]

Biggest point of hell?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

You wanna be bigger, do ya?

[Ted Nivison]

I want it. I want it so big I'm gonna drown in it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Don't you see? No giants allowed in here, traveler.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, well, I'm only half giant. And now I'm starting to be a little Australian too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why from down Under? Why didn't you say so. Have some kangaroo. Oh.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, that's some. That's some good kangaroo. I love this tavern.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do ya? Well, it's poison, you giant. Get him, Oscar. Drag him out. Drag him out. Yeah, that was pretty good.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, my God. I did not see it coming.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did not see the poison coming.

[Ted Nivison]

I'll admit it.

[Moses Hacmon]

The poison's always.

[Ted Nivison]

No, the poison was crazy. I was. I was definitely an emotional change. Oh, my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

It should have just been another war creator because the poison does always come. But it should have been. Been a little more creative. But that's okay.

[Ted Nivison]

No, I do. It's a poison. Oh, right. It does.

[Moses Hacmon]

It comes.

[Ted Nivison]

No, and that's. Well, that's. Everybody needs like a. Like a. Like a. What's it called? A trademark in something like that. And it's like the tavern owner who just manages to just poison so many people and still stays in business.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's right. That's how you stay in business. It's very White Lotus, where there's someone always dies at the beginning and who did it.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, but we know who did it.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's just the tailbone made each time.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, yeah. Cause we got her on camera every time.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, thank you for the encouragement on that. I really appreciate it. Maybe I'll continue. Yeah, of course. What about science? What's happening in the world of science?

[Ted Nivison]

That's awesome, because I'm like. Can I just say, I am, like, not at all an expert on science, but I do. And I will stress this again, Trish, I do think that the moon landing happened. I'm sorry, Moses. I'm sorry.

[Moses Hacmon]

Guys, apologize to Kim Kardashian because she also doesn't think it happened.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay, well, I hope that somebody takes her to court for that, because she's gonna be a lawyer soon.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe.

[Ted Nivison]

Maybe she's struggling is what I've seen.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's okay.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I haven't even attempted the bar. Have you?

[Ted Nivison]

I haven't either.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So she's ahead of us a little bit.

[Ted Nivison]

No, you're right. You're right. And you know what? That. You know, that was a good. You clocked. Is that. You clocked me. Yeah, I've been clocked. No, that's very fair. I mean, do you know it's funny, bringing back up. My cousin's all lawyers, that side of the family. Like, I think my cousin Maggie, her husband, my other cousin, I think. And then my uncle, who is the father of those two lawyers, all of them. And they would always tell me, like, even though I'm very much So a content creator, doing YouTube, doing pretty well. Like, I feel like I'm gonna be good on a family occasion. They'll always be, like, gonna be a lawyer someday. I'm telling you, you're gonna be a lawyer. And I'm like, I have no patience to go and take the bar. Right. Like, go and do that and do school. Yeah. But I think it's one of those things where it's like, I'd like to think that I could. You know, I'd like to think that I could, but I have no evidence to determine that that would be possible.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think you could, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do you have your bachelor's?

[Ted Nivison]

Of course. You do. Yeah. You're. I do have a Bachelor of Science. Oh. In cinema. Did you know that? Well, it's in cinema and photography. That's.

[Moses Hacmon]

What is that.

[Ted Nivison]

What.

[Moses Hacmon]

How do you get a science?

[Ted Nivison]

I don't know how it happened. That's one of the biggest bits of my college experience is that there was. Because there was two options, the BFA or the. Or the Bachelor of Science.

[Moses Hacmon]

And you got science because you did cinematography.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, well, I just. I just did, like, the. It was just cinema or cinema and photography, but I did the concentration in cinema, so it was. I don't know why it's a Bachelor of Science.

[Moses Hacmon]

Science is pretty impressive, though. Just don't say. I mean the cinema is impressive. Oh, it's impressive. I didn't go to college, but that is impressive. So do you have any updates on cinematography or science?

[Ted Nivison]

Cinematography. Well, there was the. There was the music video that did that. And then in terms of science, what.

[Moses Hacmon]

About in our world? What's science that happened this year?

[Ted Nivison]

Science this year. God. I mean, AI just keeps doing its thing, huh.

[Moses Hacmon]

You a fan?

[Ted Nivison]

I'm. I'm cautious of it, I think. I. Like, when it first came out, there were, like, instances where I was like, oh, this is cool. I'll use it. And then I started thinking about more and I was like, well, it's actually kind of. I don't know. It's hard. I think it's in such a weird cultural period right now where we haven't collectively figured out how we feel about it. And there's, like, a lot of arguments about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

In terms of, like, what is. How do we feel about something when it's been made by a machine? Like, if we're talking purely about, like, generative AI, like. Like making pictures and movies and stuff like that? I don't know. I think it's. At the end of the day, it's it's still a tool and like in like a. I don't think AI is ever going to be able to just make this wonderful tear jerking movie. Like, I don't know if it's just, it's. I just don't think it's gonna get to that level. I hope AI actors, that's. I just. That always just feels weird and predatory.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Ted Nivison]

And like from a pure like studio perspective of like, yeah, no, we don't need to like pay him anything and they'll just like do whatever we want.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. We like to spread rumors about the AI actors here.

[Ted Nivison]

Like wait, so is this like a full thing?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like there's like her name, that one girl?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, the one that everyone didn't like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. We said she was racing, racist and homophobic.

[Ted Nivison]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, I bet she is because she's AI so you could get her to say whatever you want.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is very true.

[Ted Nivison]

She quite literally doesn't have morals.

[Moses Hacmon]

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[Trisha Paytas]

T. Oh, you clocked her, I guess, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

They can, they can have.

[Ted Nivison]

She says whatever people tell her to do. So it's like, have a back one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Honey, I wrote down a cinema question for you actually, and I don't know how this came to me, but what I wrote down was you are a big film buff. Are the Avatar movies racist?

[Ted Nivison]

So that's. That is a conversation, isn't it? Like, and in terms of like indigenous cultures and stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, James Cameron is a white guy and he made a. But then at the same time it's. I don't know, it's tough because it's like to us is. It's almost like in a way the Avatar movies are kind of like revenge films in the same way that like, I don't know, like Tarantino would make a revenge film where you like set up like a very specific circumstance. Like where like Inglourious Baxters is like, let's just down a bunch of like in this gratuitous, violent sort of Way as like. Oh, you know, and it makes you feel good in the same way that it's like the indigenous people on this planet are fighting it back against the colonists and they're winning. So it's on the side of the characters in Pandora, but it's also co opting a lot of like cultural markers of societies that exist on Earth. So I don't know. I don't know if I. I don't know if I am the person to be able to make. I think you are interesting.

[Moses Hacmon]

Indigenous roots. No, maybe 23andMe.

[Ted Nivison]

I mean the closest thing I have is that like indiviscent. Maybe a little bit of a sound connection with the last name, but other than that. No, I. White is a. White is a saltine.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh. So yeah, maybe not.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, one side. One side Irish, other side Scottish. So yeah, cold area, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

What are your letterboxd top five?

[Ted Nivison]

Four.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, what are you. Letterbox top five.

[Moses Hacmon]

You have this question too. This is your question.

[Trisha Paytas]

I want to.

[Ted Nivison]

I don't know, I'm really bad with deciding top movies but currently what I have on there is, is Howl's Moving castle. Scott Pilgrim versus the world.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow, that's crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

The movie from Steve McQueen, Hunger. And then a Argentinian film called Wild Tales.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, he had a porn film.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone has one porn film in there.

[Moses Hacmon]

I knew it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You know any of this? Listen, now I know Howl's Moving Castle. We have no crossover.

[Moses Hacmon]

You don't know Scott Pilgrim.

[Ted Nivison]

You know Scott Pilgrim?

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Ted Nivison]

That's one of my favorite directors. I like Edgar Wright a lot. Yeah, you do.

[Moses Hacmon]

I have a lot of meet photos with him.

[Ted Nivison]

Really? I've never met him.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, when.

[Ted Nivison]

What's your. Okay, well, let's talk about Edgar Wright. Let's lock in Trish.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like Hot Fuzz.

[Ted Nivison]

Hot Fuzz is great.

[Moses Hacmon]

Hot Fuzz is great.

[Ted Nivison]

I actually, I showed my girlfriend that movie for the first time.

[Moses Hacmon]

Did she like it?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, no, she liked it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I wonder if I would like it. I was a pick me in this era. So this is my Quentin Tarantino era where I'm just like, I love Edgar Wright. Like he's so good. But I wonder if I would like it now because I even watched some Quentin movies now and I'm like, I don't think I like that.

[Ted Nivison]

Really? Like which. Which ones recently also if we're talking about drama.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, oh, yes.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, you should, you know about this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Him coming for everybody.

[Moses Hacmon]

Coming from literally everybody.

[Ted Nivison]

Is he coming from. I think it was just coming for Paul Dano.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, there Was a long list.

[Moses Hacmon]

Matthew Lillard. He said it was horrible.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Owen Wilson.

[Ted Nivison]

She's coming for Shaggy. Yeah, yeah, he's coming from Shaggy. From the live action Scooby Doo movies.

[Moses Hacmon]

Exactly.

[Ted Nivison]

And also, I think he's in Five Nights at Freddy'.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, it's his renaissance. I was like, what are. What are we doing? Missing the plot, love. When I. My. My career started because of Quentin Tarantino, My first, like, 100 videos on YouTube were for Quentin. I, like, wanted him to notice me so bad, and so I, like, loved him, but also, like, what are we doing? Like, why are we on this podcast? Just saying everyone we hate is crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, no, that's, like, so. It's just rude. It's just, like. It's just like. I just. Well, you know what? Hey, Quentin, cut it out, man.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Hey, why don't you just stop that? That's not fun.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why do they do that? I know.

[Ted Nivison]

Because it's like, nobody's good. Like, I don't think that anyone is. He's. I don't know. I think that he's just. There's too much of an ego there. That's clearly just, like, an ego thing that it's like, you know, he's just spent. When you spend too much time, like, everyone.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, you're like, oh, you're the biggest filmmaker. He's only gonna make 10 films ever.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, waiting on the 10.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. It's like, yeah, wait. Yeah, let's. Let's. Let's. Let's get to the 10th coin. No, I just. I just don't think that anyone is ever good enough or in that position where they feel like they can put people down like that in such, like, a public manner that's just so, like, have some. Have some respect.

[Moses Hacmon]

Matthew Lillard responded and said, it hurt.

[Ted Nivison]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. He was at a Comic Con, and someone brought it up, and he said, it does hurt.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. I mean, they, like. That's, like, one of the most famous directors of all time. He's just, like, being in. Told you. Quite literally unprompted. I mean, maybe prompted, but, like, for no real good reason.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was talking about his favorite movies, and then he.

[Ted Nivison]

So literally unprompted, like, what do you love? That's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's like, well, I hate Baldano.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, my God. That's so. That's.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. It breaks my heart.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of random, like, weird moves from. From, like, people who had a lot of respect for, like, there was the. Did you see the thing about the Riyadh Comedy Festival.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, of course.

[Ted Nivison]

Is that something you guys were talking about?

[Moses Hacmon]

We didn't actually. Because we didn't have much insight. We talked about it a little bit, but we're kind of like, we don't know what's happening.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, they were doing a comedy festival in Saudi Arabia, and, like.

[Moses Hacmon]

And it's problematic over there.

[Ted Nivison]

Cause I'm pretty sure that they're like, there's a lot of, you know, human rights violations over there, surely.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, we gathered that. And then these people were just like, we're just gonna go anyways.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, I mean, I imagine that there was a large monetary incentive.

[Moses Hacmon]

Were you propositioned?

[Ted Nivison]

See, this is something I was talking about on, like, the. In the Patreon section of my podcast.

[Moses Hacmon]

What is the Patreon? Give it a plug. We love Patreon.

[Ted Nivison]

Take it easy. Take it easy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Are you a member?

[Trisha Paytas]

Not the Patreon? No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, how have we not seen this? Patreon.com. take it easy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, because Ted has the Take it Easy podcast, and then he has a Patreon for.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. And you guys, this was on the podcast because you don't wanna talk about it on the main one you're on, like.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, because it was what we just ended up talking about. I don't think we really, like, planned the certain, like, paywalled stuff or anything. It's just kind of how the conversation goes. But I was chatting about how I've never been in a position where I am offered an amount of money that could be produced by the Saudi Arabian government. So I don't, like. I like to think right now that I don't. I wouldn't even, like, pause. I wouldn't even take a beat to say no to something like that. But then also, I have never seen that amount of offers, so I don't know about. I don't even know how weird the emotions of that could be. You know, they have you a million that. I feel like that's still. That's too low. Yeah, that's too low. That's too low. But, like, if we're talking. If it starts to add another zero, then it's like. Starts getting like, no, no. It starts being like, no. Like I'm screaming through the mouth, heavy on your heart. It pains me, but no. Saudi Arabia. I'm sorry, no. And then. And then, you know, I mean, you. God, I mean. Yeah, so I think about that. But then it's also like. I don't know. There was so many comedians that went. And it was like. It just Makes you wonder how much. Yeah, that really becomes the question. How much? And like, what weren't they allowed to say? Because obviously that's not like, there are probably restrictions to that too. I mean, I don't know. It's. It's a, it's a, it's a little delicate. But I also think that like, in terms of people's like, for like Bill Burr specifically, I was looking at Bill Burr's comments and his on his Instagram. He was just posting as if things were normal. And like all the comments were like, yeah, no, I lost a lot of respect for you, Bill. And I was like, damn.

[Moses Hacmon]

But is this thing like he's awful? Like, everyone's like, oh, he's just that guy that like hates everyone.

[Ted Nivison]

I mean, I think he, his, his thing is like that he's like real and that like, he's like, he tells truth to power, at least to a certain degree.

[Moses Hacmon]

He always seems grouchy.

[Ted Nivison]

He is definitely grouchy. That's. Don't get me wrong, definitely is grouchy. But like, I don't know, I think that it was for a lot of people it was like surprising that he would do that. It seems like something that he would make a joke about.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right? You know, but is he like, is he like a woke or is he like a Joe Rogan comedian?

[Ted Nivison]

I, I wouldn't go as far to say that he's a Joe Rogan comedian, but I wouldn't. I think he's somewhere just like in the middle. I think he's just like, he's like, he was like operating through the middle.

[Moses Hacmon]

But like even Tim Dillon being like side eyeing people, like, why did you go. And I was, to me that I feel like they would like, like that to me tender someone who'd be over there. So the fact I was like, I don't know, I don't know anything about him, but he hangs out with Joe Rogan. I have no idea.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, it's just like such an interesting situation where it's just like, I just wish that, like, I just, I'm praying that an offer like that never comes my way.

[Moses Hacmon]

Million?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, like the 10 million thing. Like certain stuff. Like I don't even want to hear it. Like for instance, like I don't do like gambling sponsorships because like I don't really, you know, you can if you want, if you're a content creator, you know, I'm not saying that you can't do it, but like, personally for me I'm like, it just, you know, that's a literal addiction that people have that ruins people's lives. And it's like, how could I take money to then promote the possibility of someone becoming addicted and ruining their own life? Like, it just seems.

[Moses Hacmon]

Put a little disclaimer up there.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. It just seems like we like your morals.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's what we like about you.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. So in that way. But. But then when it. So when it comes to my agency, I'm like, don't even tell me about this. Don't even bring me offers like this because, like, I know that ice picks or whatever the. You know, they're shelling out big cash. I don't even want to hear it. So I can't even, like, get pulled in that direction.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Just go buy, like, a lotto ticket. Although you don't gamble.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, it's a. It's like a billion dollars. I've never actually. Yeah, I don't think I've done. I think I've maybe bought like one scratch ticket ever. I don't even know you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Have you done, like a. Megan, it's a Powerball tonight.

[Ted Nivison]

If that's tonight.

[Moses Hacmon]

1.4. I know. That's why I'm cutting our Patreon short. I'm like, 6:30. I gotta be out. Cause they close it at 7. And I play. Do you know I play every day? I play the same numbers every day for those five years. Mm.

[Ted Nivison]

That. Is that what you're supposed to do? Like, you just choose. Because that's confusing to me. Like, they just. You just choose any set of numbers.

[Moses Hacmon]

5. Or they can give you.

[Ted Nivison]

That's stressful.

[Moses Hacmon]

You can ask for a quick pick and they'll give you random numbers. But I pick. I have five lines. So I have five picks every. Every day, five days a week. Because that's all it is.

[Ted Nivison]

That seems like it would make the most sense because, like, I feel like, oh, that would suck. Can you imagine if you didn't do the same numbers every time? And then, like. And then you switched it up? Like, the ones you would never forgive yourself.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then it was those numbers.

[Moses Hacmon]

Even when I'm, like, giving birth or on tour, I literally tell Moses, go out and get those tickets. Because I. That's my biggest fear is the one day I don't play because my numbers have never been called in the history of the lottery. So they have to be coming soon. Like, you know, And I was like, never?

[Ted Nivison]

What are they? Like, do we. You know the odds. It's like. Like 0.001 or something of it happening. Or something crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was.001 on old ones.

[Ted Nivison]

There you go.

[Moses Hacmon]

So it could happen again.

[Ted Nivison]

There you go.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's closed down. Thank God.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay. So this is always something I. This is something I like to think about in a dream scenario, even though I don't play the lottery and I haven't played the lottery yet. Is like, if you were to win the lottery.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

So what's the amount right now?

[Moses Hacmon]

1.4.

[Ted Nivison]

1.4. So what's your first move?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, so then you get about 700 million, but then they ask you, do you want 700 million over the course of 30 years? Or they give you a cash offer, which is probably realistic, like 500 million. So really only getting 500 million of this 1.4 billion.

[Ted Nivison]

But you're doing the cash, surely.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. You want to get it all up front.

[Ted Nivison]

Yes. Time value of money.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, of course. You don't know what. So all I really want is this house in our neighborhood, actually, and has water slides, and that's all I want. So I'd go buy that.

[Ted Nivison]

How much is that house?

[Moses Hacmon]

10 million. Oh, well, it's 8 million.

[Ted Nivison]

But in my head, I'm gonna offer 490 million left.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Because I feel like they're never gonna leave that house. So I'm gonna offer them 10 million.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it's not for sale.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's not for sale. It was for sale when we bought this house, but we couldn't swing it at the time. And I was like, that's all I think about. It's all I talk about. And I'm like, okay, so that's why I play. And then I'll donate the rest. We'll do it.

[Ted Nivison]

Is it just because of the water slides or like.

[Moses Hacmon]

The house is beautiful too.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, that's cool.

[Moses Hacmon]

Let me just not dox everything. Cause if I get it, someone's gonna show up. But it's. It's a beautiful house. It's amazing. Everything about it's perfect and amazing, and it's right down the street.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, that's great. Well, then. And then, like, that's. And then you're good.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then I'm good. And then we'll do. We want to feed. We've been talking about this for a long time before people were losing their SNAP benefits. But, like, feeding. We were talking about feeding people overseas, but we're like, maybe we'll start feeding some kids here in the US Too. So Moses is a really good cook, and he can make, like, pounds of Bolognese. So we're just Gonna make spaghetti for everyone and, like, meat sauce for everyone. So that was one of our dreams. Whoops. We had another one. We had another philanthropic.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, you could start a whole. You could start a whole, like, soup kitchen or something with money like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, but like, makeup. Like, we love a soup kitchen. But I feel like, you know, the foods, like chicken fingers that I like and like spaghetti, really good hibachi for people, you know, and just have them eat good, too. Yeah, for everyone. Because why are people doing that more? Why are people just not being fed? I know people do soup kitchens, but, like, how come there's people that are hungry in this world? You know yourself and think about that.

[Ted Nivison]

This is a really loaded question.

[Moses Hacmon]

People have money to feed them and they're not.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, yeah. I mean, the. That is. Okay, let me. Let me.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Ted Nivison]

Give me a second. Why is there crazy wealth inequality in the world? How do we stop it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Or just give some people some food?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, no, seriously. I mean, probably countries adopting more socialist policies, I suppose.

[Moses Hacmon]

But what about here?

[Ted Nivison]

That I'm talking about here.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's scary. It's sad. That's gonna be scary.

[Ted Nivison]

I mean, we just, like, didn't we just, like, cut, snap benefits or something like that?

[Moses Hacmon]

That's what I'm saying. What the hell? Like, we. We have the money or we don't have the money, but we have the money. Print more money. What are your thoughts on overconsumption?

[Ted Nivison]

On overconsumption. I think that I am a victim of over consumption. I doordash way more than I should.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, like, oh, you just eat a lot of food.

[Ted Nivison]

No, I doordash way too often. I just.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, how does that affect the.

[Ted Nivison]

I don't know. It feels like over consumption. Because then you're eating well. Cause I'm. I'm not making food from scratch from the grocery store.

[Moses Hacmon]

Can't be Norma Smith, like, you know.

[Ted Nivison]

You up for it with your car? What's up?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you make up for it with your car?

[Ted Nivison]

Well, no, I'm getting it delivered.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I'm saying your car.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh. Oh, yeah. I've had it since I was 16.

[Moses Hacmon]

How did you know that?

[Ted Nivison]

Cause I just parked out front. Just parked up front. I saw my 2002 Toyota Tacoma.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow. And you came in that, too. Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Girlfriend has no problem with it. You gotta keep her. Honestly, if Most I had 2002, I might be like, oh, I don't know. How are we gonna get around?

[Ted Nivison]

I think to a certain degree it fits. Okay, look at me right now. And the Fact that I drive an old, you know, medium sized truck, I feel like that fits with the aesthetic. I'd go as far to say that it's an attractive feature of me, Oscar.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I would agree.

[Ted Nivison]

It does fit the brand. Yeah. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, so you're not, yeah, you, you have an older car. Like, you're not over consuming like the doordash of it all. Maybe the bags go into like a landfill or something. But like, I don't think it's like, are you eating it all?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, no, I'm eating it all.

[Moses Hacmon]

So you're not wasting.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're not really like a trinket kind of person either.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, I have, I don't have a single labubu for you.

[Moses Hacmon]

See, that to me is the ultimate non consumer.

[Ted Nivison]

And you know what? All over Europe, we were seeing them in like the gift shops and stuff. I don't know if they were real, but they were everywhere. And there were some. I know. Oh, yeah, big time. It was a Beanie Baby moment for sure.

[Moses Hacmon]

Now everyone's like, oh, not look, boo boos.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, well. Cause I think that, I don't think that anything could happen. Like, do you remember the Beanie Baby craze?

[Moses Hacmon]

Of course. Lived through it. Tabasco, the bowl. Like, we loved all of it.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Like, I don't know if anything like that could happen because I think that things on the Internet now shift weight too quickly towards haters. Like, something will be popular for like five minutes and then someone's gonna be like, this is actually cringe. This is actually literally so freaking cringe. And I'm done with being cringe or I'm done feeling or being worried about being cringe. Like, who?

[Moses Hacmon]

How old are you? Millennial, how old are you?

[Ted Nivison]

I'm 27.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my. I love this. Okay, Gen Z, not wanting to be cringe. I want to hear more.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, because what's funny is that people who are younger than me that are Gen Z will call me a millennial. Or like I'll post like a TikTok and someone will say, this is so millennial of you. But then at the same time, they're also like posting. I'm seeing TikToks where it's like, oh, what I wouldn't give to be in Williamsburg in New York City wearing a really saggy beanie and a man bun during the hey Song era. Chinatown, you know.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, come on, where's the hay?

[Ted Nivison]

Coming Mumford and Sons and, and you know, now.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, you know, hey ho.

[Ted Nivison]

You know, you know, in the songs.

[Moses Hacmon]

Hey Ho. Let's go. That one.

[Ted Nivison]

No, not that. I mean, you know, in a song where it's just, like, you hear, like, a really reverb, just like, hey. And it's like, a lot of drum kicking and stuff, and it's like 2011 music.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. How old were you in 2011?

[Ted Nivison]

I was 13.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, wow. You're so young.

[Ted Nivison]

Honestly, maybe like more like 2008 music, now that I'm thinking about it. 2009 recession.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

Obama era optimism music.

[Moses Hacmon]

And what year were you born?

[Ted Nivison]

1998.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, so you. You're remembering this, like, 10 years.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, I remember. I remember when. When Obama was elected. I remember because it was in elementary school, I think. When did you get it? Like, no, 10. Yeah, I was in elementary school. Yeah. I think I was in, what, fifth grade if I was 10? Something like that. But I remember on the TV, they had the TV, and they were playing his, like, inauguration, and I. And I remember at the time being like, things are gonna be different.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow. At such a young age.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, I mean, I feel like every teacher was like, this is a big deal.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, okay. So you were. Yes. Yeah, it was a big deal.

[Ted Nivison]

But, like, the. There's a particular type of music and millennial essence that comes from the Obama era. Optimism that, like, also comes in the music where they're, like. In the songs. They're like, we're young. We are young forever. Okay, man. None of this is connected.

[Moses Hacmon]

We are young. See, I don't know.

[Ted Nivison]

I mean, there's a joke thing by. There's a comedian who makes this. It actually went viral for a little bit. Not viral, actually. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just used a slur. Oh, God. It went viral. I'm about to go on a tangent right now. I'm yapping a lot. I'm sorry. I've been letting you know. Okay. I've got a real big issue with the word viral now.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why?

[Ted Nivison]

Because every single shilled product I see online, every single recipe, every location in any city in the country is viral now. It's like, come with me to the viral new chicken bake. Mac and cheese, honey butter chicken pop up in Silver Lake. And it's like, I have never heard. This is not viral. Like, I feel like viral isn't a thing anymore.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, I think you're not, like, online like that. It probably is viral. That hot honey chicken sounds very familiar. It probably is viral.

[Ted Nivison]

I think the issue is, I don't know if viral happens anymore.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think so. We're so like, oh, this Is viral.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, I'm about to cook here. Okay, Are you ready?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Let's hear it.

[Ted Nivison]

All of our feeds are so individualized now that we're all fed a certain algorithm of things that are tailored to us. So things that go viral in the traditional sense of how they did. Like, Charlie bit my finger is not. It was viral. That was something that was going on the news. That was something that, like, ABC was like, check out this kid who bit his brother's finger. Or Numa. Numa. Or like, like, stuff that was just, like, weirdly, like, everyone saw you'd show it to each other in school. Like, that felt viral. But, like, no pair of leggings, no knockoff Lululemon leggings are going viral.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know how respectfully halar leggings are.

[Ted Nivison]

I just don't know. I feel like the word is diluted to a level where it's just, like, we're using it as a placeholder to just say, like, people like this.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Yeah, but it's like saying, like, world's best coffee back in the day. Right? Everything is like, the viral this. Like you said, it's a selling point.

[Ted Nivison]

That's. I could have made a killer elf reference right there.

[Moses Hacmon]

A what one?

[Ted Nivison]

Elf. The movie.

[Moses Hacmon]

The movie. Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

He walks in there. Congratulations. World's best cup of coffee.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

What was that?

[Moses Hacmon]

You seem like an elf fan. You do seem like an elf fan, for sure.

[Ted Nivison]

Damn. That's a critical piece of lore for me.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

But not in your letterbox. Top four. Weird thing.

[Ted Nivison]

I should have it in there. I should have it in there. Did I. I feel like I talked about this on this podcast. Elf. Or maybe another podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

It must have been another one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Must have been another one.

[Ted Nivison]

By far, my most embarrassing moment as a film person is when I was interviewing for, like, internships when I was doing an LA program. It was kind of like an abroad thing, but, like, you're still in the country where you go to LA and you do, like, internships around la. Because I went to school at Ithaca, which is in New York in the middle of nowhere. And one of the interviews I had was for, like, a production assistant and Blumhouse. And they asked me at the end of the interview what my favorite movie was, and I panicked and I said, elf.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. This is why we're connected. I had an interview for the Academy, and they asked me my favorite movie, and I said, the Hunger Games Catching Fire. And I didn't get a follow up.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. And I didn't either. And it was like the. The interviewer lady, she was like, oh. And then I was like, this is a horror movie production company where the. Did I say that? And I start trying to play it off. I'm like. Cuz it's just like. It's just like a good storyline. I just really love it. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not even that. You could have thought something else maybe, like.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, no, it was rough or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know that James gone. That's kind of big.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, yeah. So that was rough. But you know.

[Moses Hacmon]

You ready to watch an elf marathon coming up now that it's Christmas, right? Don't they play that like 24 hours a day?

[Ted Nivison]

It's a good. I mean, I definitely watch it every year.

[Moses Hacmon]

You think that's a superior Christmas movie next to like A Christmas Story? You think it's above it?

[Ted Nivison]

That's the one where it's with Ralphie, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Hmm. That one. I've always. I think I've always had like a negative reaction to that one because I always know he's going to shoot his eye out. And I. And I think as a kid I was like, I can't promote this movie because it's going to work against any like me being able to have an argument for things that I want for Christmas because then my parents could be like, you saw what happened to Ralphie when I wanted.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, what were you asking for that would hurt yourself, dude?

[Ted Nivison]

A gun? No. Just kidding. No, no. I. I don't know. I think I just. There was like. I think it's some. Some sort of like I had. You know what it was? I had a really big issue with buyers remorse as a kid.

[Moses Hacmon]

Weird thing to have as a child when you're not even spending your own money. But.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay, well, let me explain. It's like I would ask something for my parents, like at a store or something. I'd be like, I want that thing. And then they would get it for me. And then after I would be like, oh, but did I want the other thing instead? And I would like really struggle with it. And I don't think it was like me trying to be like ungrateful necessarily. It was more like I felt like I made the wrong decision and it really tore me up. And I think with the Christmas Story thing, that was like. I don't know, I feel like it was. It was kind of like that with the, with the shooting his eye out or something like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Makes sense. And it just goes to prove too that you are not an over consumer. And the fact Is you could have been like. I'll have that.

[Ted Nivison]

Right? That was the original question, wasn't it? I took it so far away.

[Moses Hacmon]

Saying all these things would lead me to believe you're not. Same shirt as last time. You're not. You know.

[Ted Nivison]

That's true.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, you really haven't changed.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, that is. Yeah. No, you're right. These are the same pants.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Same pants.

[Ted Nivison]

I switched some stuff up. I got the snake boots on.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like those. Those are very cool. We had a snake in here literally, literally last week. He was right on that chair.

[Trisha Paytas]

What type of snake do we remember?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. A vet. A local. He was people's sexiest vet. Came on with a snake.

[Ted Nivison]

Whoa.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's very tall to it. I wonder who was taller. You were. Him.

[Ted Nivison]

How sexy was he?

[Moses Hacmon]

People said he was off the charts. Off the charts. Who do you think is sexier?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think Ted.

[Ted Nivison]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Easy. Sexier than a sexy vet with a snake?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yep. Yep.

[Ted Nivison]

Although.

[Trisha Paytas]

Similar vibe. He looks like Henry Cavill. But Superman. But you look like David Corn Sweat Superman.

[Ted Nivison]

That's how I contextualize. Dude. You can't even like. That is too much of a compliment to be comparing me to this guy's Oscar. You gotta stop. You're really hyped every time we talk about Superman.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right? Every time we talked about Superman.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. I have gotten that for a lot of my life, though.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because you're tall or handsome or disgusting. I think it's because of my glasses.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. And I used to have even more of like, kind of like a flowy over kind of like hair thing going on where it was kind of like a Clark Kent kind of scenario. Didn't you. Weren't you Clark Kent for.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was Lex Luthor. My boyfriend was Clark. Was Superman.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I love that he thought you were the Superman. I do look like each other a little bit. He has a very handsome boyfriend. Six pack. What were you following?

[Ted Nivison]

I was. I was Popeye. Oh, yeah?

[Moses Hacmon]

Were you a group costume? Couples costume? Was it?

[Ted Nivison]

Well, my girlfriend, she dressed up as Betty Boo because we just thought that that was like a more fun. She. You know, it was just a better one to be. But then when we would go to a Halloween party, it was like. Everyone was like. They'd be like, Popeye olive oil. And it was like.

[Moses Hacmon]

That makes sense.

[Ted Nivison]

You're so right. You're so right. And then the other one that we were gonna do was we were. That we didn't end up just like, the timing of, like. I think she had to Be at another party, and I had to be somewhere else. But we were going to do the Phantom of the Opera. Oh, wow. And we had the costume and everything. So she was gonna be.

[Moses Hacmon]

What happened? Christine Dye.

[Ted Nivison]

I think that we, like, she had a. In. In her area that she lives in. She had a party to go to and she. Because she lives further away.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Ted Nivison]

And then I had one to go to as well. And then I was, like, flying out somewhere the next day, and it was. Just didn't work out. But we'll have the costumes. We'll do it next year.

[Trisha Paytas]

So we'll do it whenever, though.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, you don't have to do it on Halloween because right now they just kicked off the US tour of Phantom after, like, 20 years.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Have you seen the new.

[Ted Nivison]

So it's like, he's great. You know, what's. This is bad.

[Moses Hacmon]

You haven't seen Phantom of the Opera. That's crazy. Yeah, well, you must have. Yeah, well, you must have. Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Cause I was like, why would you do Phantom of the Opera if you've never seen it?

[Ted Nivison]

Because I was told I'd look damn good doing it.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's true. The Phantom is an iconic, iconic role with the. That's so funny. We have a Phantom cosplay coming up for something special.

[Ted Nivison]

That did seem like something that you would like.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's actually. Yeah. It's so weird because we're making the cosplay the outfits now, and it's gonna be coming out in three weeks, so it's gonna seem like we copied you. But no, we had this thought ahead.

[Ted Nivison]

I don't think at all. If anything, us doing it would have been copying. That is so in line. Well, that's so in line with something that you would do as like. Yeah. And just like. Well, okay, we've been talking about the random I've been doing this year, but can we talk about Ole Miss Broadway over here sitting across from me?

[Moses Hacmon]

That's right. Since I last seen you. Cause we talked about loving musical theater.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. And I feel like. I don't know, like, that's pretty incredible.

[Moses Hacmon]

Thanks.

[Ted Nivison]

What was that about? I didn't see too much about it, but I did. I was seeing it through, like, your socials and stuff. Like, how many shows did you do?

[Moses Hacmon]

I did 28 shows in three weeks, so I did eight shows a week.

[Ted Nivison]

That's awesome.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And it was so much fun. I had the best time, dude.

[Ted Nivison]

So what was the pro. Okay, so you probably talked about this a bunch on the podcast.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, we didn't because time off. And yet we never. We never really talked about it.

[Ted Nivison]

So you haven't talked about it since? No. You didn't?

[Moses Hacmon]

Not really.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, then let's talk about it. This is a perfect opportunity to talk about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Thanks for asking.

[Ted Nivison]

Of course. This is so interesting. So what was like. Okay, so what was. Because I always wonder about. Because it's like. It's more so than like. Because I did theater in high school.

[Moses Hacmon]

But it was like acapella.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, acapella in high school and college. Yes, it's true.

[Moses Hacmon]

And our duet, our Legally Blonde duet. Last time, were we trying. No, you didn't. Remember Legally Blonde? What do we do at we do it time at a. Something Sunny Seymour something.

[Ted Nivison]

I. I think that we. We tried a bunch. We tried a bunch of things. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, two. It's like two weekends in a row and it's like, you know, Friday, Saturday and then a Sunday matinee. And then you're like, man. Oh yeah. No, I'm in the. Like you kind of feel like you're. You're like, yeah, this is what the business is. Like you're like showing up, you're clocking in, coming into the doing, you getting your makeup done, caking it on and stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

And like. So I wonder, like 28 shows in three weeks. So that's one every day? Every night.

[Moses Hacmon]

We did two on Wednesdays, two on Saturdays, one every night and then Monday was off. So we did eight shows a week. So. Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Whoa.

[Moses Hacmon]

So every day? Yes. But then there was two shows on Wednesday, two shows on Saturday and then no Mondays. Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was hardcore.

[Ted Nivison]

That is crazy. So how did you feel when you did the last one? Like, were you like. Totally just. Do you go to sleep for a hundred years?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I was. No, no. I started Trishmas, my tour, cuz I'm on tour right now. I started that. We go to Vancouver on Sunday. I started Trishmas five days later and it was Thanksgiving week, so I had like four days plus Thanksgiving day to like get my show together. I was.

[Ted Nivison]

Where do you get your energy from?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's filming a show, a big show.

[Moses Hacmon]

A big TV show.

[Ted Nivison]

You've been doing like all of this for so long. Like, like, how do you like. Cause like I in particular, like I've been feeling just like totally like, just like, like after I did that music video and I was like editing and stuff like that and just like once I got into December, I just like, I mean, I guess everyone does that. But I, like. I, like, feel just so burnt out right now. How do you, like, pull yourself out of being. Do you ever get burnt out?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, no, because I like, why? Because I feel like this is, like, my, like, my second act. Right. Cause it's like, I. For so long, I want to do this. I just signed with an agency, like, last year, probably around the time we met. I signed with caa and I never with an agent or manager. And then after that, they started, like, just booking me for. I got all these, like, jobs, and I never got that. But my. My whole life, from 18 to, like, 36, I wanted to do this. And so for 18 years, I got nothing. So then all of a sudden, it's like, this is my moment. And of course, I have, like, Moses for the kids.

[Ted Nivison]

And that makes, like, perfect sense.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So then even after you were here, Elvis we were gonna be done with. Because we're like, oh, Elvis is our final one, whether it's a boy or girl, because we only had two baby names. And then Aquaman was a surprise, but it was like, so much was happening that I really wasn't ready for, like, a third kid. And then we had the third kid. But I did get my tubes removed at that third child, so there would be no more. No more kids. We love Aquaman blessing. But, you know, he came with us. He came with us to New York. Everyone came with us to New York. And, yeah, I just.

[Ted Nivison]

But I love it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Broadway. I love. Like, I did the eight shows a week, and it wasn't enough, granted. I, like. I wasn't on stage as long, obviously, as, like, everyone else. Like, some of those people are just, like, insane. They're, like, belting out every night. Moses came to every single show. He came to all 28 shows. And as he should. As he should. Right? It was. He would put the kids to sleep. And then we, you know, we had my mom there, too. So he, like, run to the theater and, like, watch. But it was. No, I missed it. I wanna go back. Have you seen. You're a theater person, but you don't watch theater, right?

[Ted Nivison]

Unfortunately. Well, I mean, if I lived in New York, I'd probably go to Broadway a bunch. Like, one of my best friends, Katie, she, like. She does the thing where she lives in Brooklyn, so she'll do a thing where she'll get, like, the special ticket thing where you can get them for cheap. Where you can get them for cheap or something. So she's gone lottery. She's got, like. She saves all her Playbills. So she's got, like, 45 playbills from different stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

Have you seen any shows with her?

[Ted Nivison]

No, I haven't. I haven't. I think. Man, I haven't seen a Broadway show in so long. I haven't, Like. Yeah, probably. Honestly, I feel like the last time I saw a Broadway show was, like, when I was, like, a kid. Oh, no, no, no. I'm lying. I saw the Book of Mormon recently, like, 10 years ago.

[Moses Hacmon]

Did you like it?

[Ted Nivison]

I loved it. I thought it was great. It was. It was.

[Moses Hacmon]

That shows a little crazy. Yeah, we laugh.

[Ted Nivison]

I thought it was funny. Yeah. But there's. You know, what's one I really want to see, And I think that this is gonna. This is gonna make you very happy, is that I've always been very interested in seeing the Beetlejuice musical, but I think that that's not. Is it back on Broadway?

[Moses Hacmon]

Are you being silly?

[Ted Nivison]

No, I'm. Yeah, I am.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, wait, I was in that. It's there till January 3rd, and then it's gone forever from Broadway.

[Ted Nivison]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, now I'm screwed then.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, I would have. I would have.

[Ted Nivison]

I was wondering, like, who specifically did you play in it? Cause I literally. I know very little information about this.

[Moses Hacmon]

About Beetlejuice or Beetlejuice on Broadway.

[Ted Nivison]

Like, your part.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my part? Yes. It was a character that is mentioned in the movie, but not seen. She's in the dinner party during the day O scene. So when everyone gets possessed, she's possessed. Her husband is gonna go like, look at this house that Lydia's dad is trying to, like, sell. And he's like, I'm not gonna buy this. Whatever. But then they realize it's haunted. Cause we get possessed, right? And then he's like, I'm gonna buy this house. And then that's when Beetlejuice. She says his name three times during my scene. She summons him. Cause she's like, this isn't working. So she summons Beetlejuice, and he pretty much scares everybody out of the house. So I'm, like, on stage screaming and running. And I did have a. I had a little solo, and I had a couple lines, and it was great. Yeah, it was fun. I had so much fun. I want to go back, though. I love. I want to see. There's a show called Omari. Have you heard of this?

[Ted Nivison]

Okay, so I've seen some stuff about that recently, because Col Escola.

[Moses Hacmon]

Cole.

[Ted Nivison]

Cole. So funny.

[Moses Hacmon]

So good. They're doing the Miss Piggy movie right now. They're writing it.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, really? Mm.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I think currently it's Jane Krakowski. Jinks Monsoon is about to go back on as Mary. That's, like, my dream role. There's also someone who plays the teacher, so Jinx.

[Ted Nivison]

They were in. Were they in Doctor who? Yeah, I think that's the one time I've seen. That's the way I know of Jinx Monsoon.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Yeah. That's so funny that you watch Doctor who. Well, it makes sense, actually. That makes sense.

[Ted Nivison]

I haven't been caught up too much with the recent stuff, but, like, I. Man, in college, I think I was. I got into it for the first time, and I, like, binged it all. I was watching the. The. Out of Doctor who and.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why do you like Doctor who?

[Ted Nivison]

Interesting.

[Moses Hacmon]

He loves Doctor who. And I don't get it.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, yeah. You're like, there's cool it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I want to get it. No, I want to get it. But what do we love?

[Ted Nivison]

But I feel like. I feel like I'm walking in enemy territory right now.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm open to it.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay. Okay. I. Well, here's the thing. I think I'm just like a sci Fi person. I just like sci fi. And even though it is a little goofy, it's like sometimes it just has its moments where it's like, what? Or it's like. There's just like. Or I don't know, there's like, just genuine, like, randomly. Like, Doctor who will just be like, good horror all of a sudden. Or just like. There's just. I don't know. It's just a very creative show, and it's. It's campy, but it's, like, charming. And you get really invested in the characters. How much of it have you watched? I mean, I'm sure he's gotten you to watch. She refuses.

[Moses Hacmon]

No. Do I want to? Huh? The girl from Bridgerton, has she been in it? Nicola Coughlin, has she been in it? Yeah, she was shooting it. Do you know her at all?

[Ted Nivison]

I'm not too familiar with Bridgerton.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, I think she was in Doctor who, but I'm not really sure.

[Ted Nivison]

Is she in, like, the new one? The new one?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I thought she was a big part. No. I don't know. I like the fan. I like anything with a fandom. So I have Doctor who merch. I have the little foambox sweater. Like, I love it.

[Ted Nivison]

With a phantom. Like, any sort of. Of. Or like, Phantom of the Opera.

[Moses Hacmon]

The fandom.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, yes. I thought you said, like. I just love phantoms. If a phantom is mentioned in a show, I'M there fandoms.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love, like, anything that has, like, a big following, like, if it's a pop culture phenomenon. And so I like the idea of Doctor who.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I haven't seen any of it.

[Ted Nivison]

Maybe I should.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would love to be in it.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. But wait, we're getting far away from the Beetlejuice stuff here.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, so.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay, so. So I need to know about the whole timeline here. So when did you first. How did this first come about?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, I'm a big Beetlejuice fan. I probably have seen it. I've done music videos. We talked about it. So you know how I spend, like, a lot of money on music videos, which I've always said I've gone broke before. I was in debt, like, all stuff like that. So I probably spent, like, a couple hundred thousand on each of these music videos from Beetlejuice.

[Ted Nivison]

Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I started in 2019, was obsessed, did these music videos, and then literally this year, when I was. They announced that Beetlejuice was coming back to Broadway for a third time. And I got a call. I posted about it. I was like, ooh, I would love to see this. And the maiden's like, do you? I said, I think I said, I would love to be a part of it. And the maiden's like, do you want to audition for Be the Musical? And I was kind of like, o, I would love to, but I'm, like, not a trained singer. I'm not a Broadway singer. If you see the show, like, they're so amazing. And I was like, oof. I don't know. But my part had minimal singing. I had, like, literally one line of singing. So I was like, okay, I auditioned. I thought I, like, I thought I was really bad at the audition. I auditioned when I was, like, eight months pregnant. I thought I was horrible because I was nervous. I was so nervous. And everyone in New York was on the Zoom Call, and I was just like, oh, gosh.

[Ted Nivison]

How many people were in the zoom call?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like 8, which usually do a self tape and no one's in the room, you know.

[Ted Nivison]

Right. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I was like. And they're all there. And you're just like, like, you know, I. This is my new year of acting. I haven't really acted before this year. So I was like, oh. I was still, like, not very confident in my acting. I'm very confident now after that, but I was not confident. And then, you know, New York people, they're so blunt. They're like, all right, thanks. And then giving, like, no feedback, like, they do not tell you if you, like. Oh, crushed it everything. My agents always make crushed it wonderful. And then, like, I hear no feedback. And then literally. Yeah. The show came back October 8th, and I was. They called me back and was like, they want to offer you the role. And it was like, September.

[Ted Nivison]

So. So you. Did you do any, like. So you did a callback?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, they just booked me straight from that audition.

[Ted Nivison]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Wow, that's kind of. So you must have been spending, like, a. Like. So how long did you say was between you auditioning and finding out?

[Moses Hacmon]

It was probably three months.

[Ted Nivison]

Three months? Really? Oh, man. So probably like a month or two in. You're probably like, yeah, it's probably not gonna happen.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, for sure. It was.

[Ted Nivison]

So that must have been such wonderful surprise.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, because. Because we were planning the tour for Trishmas, and if I knew I would have done Beetlejuice, I probably would have waited because it's a lot of ask to. For, like, fans to, like, buy tickets to, like, Broadway and come to Trish. Like, you know, it's just, like, a lot. So I was like, oh, I probably wouldn't have done them back to back, but. But here we are, and we did it. And I have my last show on Sunday, so that's it.

[Ted Nivison]

This most recent Sunday, this upcoming one.

[Moses Hacmon]

The 20 or 20 second's a Monday.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's my last one. Do you tour? You do.

[Ted Nivison]

You do cns, man. I talked about wanting to do it, and then I. That. That was. That's something that I'm in trouble for coming on church right now is that I haven't really done it too much since. Yeah, no, I mean, I need it. That's my goal for this coming year is like, literally, like, drop everything and just, like, just try to do it as much as I can locally.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or you would do it, like, in other cities?

[Ted Nivison]

I would just do it, like, locally, like, just to get good at it and then. And then maybe just try to actually advertise, like, a show somewhere at, like, the end of, like, next year. That's the deadline I'm giving myself.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's good. And you would do, like, a. Like. Because you tour doing, like, the rainforest cafes, you tour doing this, you know.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. That is something that I've always been really interested in because I did, like. I'm sure that you can agree that, like, this sort of performance that's happening right here is. Or, like, making a video or something like, that is not the same thing as, like, performing in front of, like, an actual tangible Audience, you know, there's like a give and take there that's like real. And. And so that's something that I think I've always missed is performing in that regard. And so the idea of like doing a tour or something like that is really exciting to me. And something I feel like would kind of like it would. If I didn't, I would regret it forever, you know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

And if you have that feeling and it always kind of eats away at you, then it's like, that's probably a pretty good indicator that like you need to do something about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

And this is like the moment I feel like for each of. Because so many people tour and like, like a lot of content creators tour. A lot of content creators tour and it's like not like a, like a talent. Do you know what I mean? Like it's, you know, the mean greets, whatever.

[Ted Nivison]

That's why I don't want to just like do it. To do it. Because the like, because you know, my agency is like, hey, we got like, you know, you could. You want to do live show stuff. Hey, we've got someone in our live department who's going to talk to you. And I'm like, I don't have anything right now. Like so like I.

[Moses Hacmon]

But you do is what I was arguing. I was like, you have standup. Most people kind of do it just like a podcast live, which is like totally fine. But that's hard to do sometimes, right?

[Ted Nivison]

Well, I'm saying that I knew to get good though first. I think you're very good.

[Moses Hacmon]

You are giving stand up. Last time too. I was like, this is giving stand up and I love it. That's why we love you on here. And you're not the problematic stand up. You're like, you know, a good one.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, well, I'm gonna get so racist. That's crazy because that's how the. That's how the industry works. I have to. I have to. It's just I have to. And I'm gonna go to Saudi Arabia. Oh my gosh.

[Moses Hacmon]

Here in the US I think you don't have to do that at all.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, I feel like I'm gonna go on a tour to Saudi Arabia, Russia. No, it's gonna be great.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's wild. Any other countries you wanna mention that you wanna go to?

[Ted Nivison]

Nope.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, okay. I was like, damn, would you do theater again?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, well, I actually. So when you were talking about the self tape thing, I did actually have an opportunity to send in a self tape this year. So I did that Wait, Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Can you say what it's for now? You don't know if you got it? Did you get it?

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, I know I definitely didn't get it because then I saw the variety, who they cast.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, can you say or no, can we bleep it? I need to know.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, we can bleep it. Because I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about it. It's. Which is why I kind of was, like, feeling. Because of. With adults, it was like they had content creator actors kind of who are very good at acting. Like, But I think it was like, there's a, there's an asset, like a facet of that now, I think in acting, where they want people with followings to help with, like, to be on pilots so they can promote those pilots.

[Moses Hacmon]

See the audience built in.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Like, I have friends who are actors that have told me that, like, it's like a thing that, like, following followers is a thing for being an actor now, which is, like, something you wouldn't really expect, but I guess also makes sense. And it's kind of a bummer, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. But then you get, like, an Addison Rae who's, like, good too. Cause I think people, like, crapped on her when she first came out.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. No. And she. I feel like she was, like, true to it. And then it's like she's doing good.

[Moses Hacmon]

But people, like, hate it at the beginning. Like, oh, my God, how could you give her a role? And then you're like, oh, she kind of ate. You watch Thanksgiving?

[Ted Nivison]

What?

[Moses Hacmon]

The horror film. Oh, I thought you were, like, a horror person. Are you not into horror films?

[Ted Nivison]

Not doing.

[Moses Hacmon]

I haven't watched out last year. Eli Roth.

[Ted Nivison]

I have not watched Thanksgiving.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, she was in it. She was one of the. Did she die in it? I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think she. No, I don't remember.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. But she's pretty good in it. I saw clips. I haven't seen the whole thing, but. But you would do acting you're in.

[Ted Nivison]

I would. I would. I would do it because I, I, I, I feel like I, I did it a bunch. I used to do it a bunch. And so, yeah, I think I would. I think it's tough, though, because it's like, I can't. I don't really have the time to, like, give to that one as well. Cause I've got the YouTube and then I've got the comedy stuff I want to do.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Ted Nivison]

And then I've got the filmmaking stuff I want to do. As well. It's like, can I really fit in another pillar of career stuff. Have you ever heard of that, like, fig tree thing?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Ted Nivison]

Come on. Come on, guys. The fig tree thing. Everybody knows about the fig tree thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

The gravity of it. Would have fallen.

[Ted Nivison]

No, it's like a quote. It's a quote about wanting to do different things with your life is kind of like a fig tree. A fig tree. And each path you could take, your life is a different fig. And they've all fallen onto the ground or whatever. But you're taking so long to decide which one you want that they all rot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So you're not picking any. You're just a rotting fig.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, well, I'm trying not to be. I don't think I'm there yet. I'm not rotten yet.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, you're 27. You still.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, but wait. I have more questions, though, about your. I have more questions because I feel like the world has questions. I have questions. Everyone's got to know this.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

I'm interviewing you.

[Moses Hacmon]

This is so nice.

[Ted Nivison]

So, okay, so it took three months. Then you found out. Where were you when you found out?

[Moses Hacmon]

We had just finished the podcast, actually. We were driving to go get we love a Nachos at Badass Street Tacos. We always get Nacho Grande after filming the podcast.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, nice.

[Moses Hacmon]

We were just. We literally were just. I got all my text messages. Cause I never look at my phone during a podcast. And it was like three an hour podcast. I had all these, like, missed texts from calls from agents and says, CAA and theater department.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, yeah. Just a bunch of missed calls. Oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then they're like, my main agent's texting me. Lydia, Shout out. Lydia. She's like, oh, please call us back. Call us back. And I was like, like, okay, it's probably a good thing. Cause it's like they never had me call them. It's not like a family member, you know, it's not an emergency. So I was like, okay. But I did not think Beetlejuice. Cause I was doing it. I did probably like maybe 30 self tapes this year. I did a lot of self tapes. So I wasn't thinking Beetlejuice because that was so long ago. And I actually had this. Did one that I thought I nailed. And so I thought maybe that. And then they called me and they're like, oh, they want to offer you the roll of Beetlejuice. And I was like, oh. So I cried. I was crying. I was shaking.

[Ted Nivison]

That was so awesome.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that was the cause. Broadway was My biggest dream, and probably the furthest one for me to achieve because of my lack of training.

[Ted Nivison]

Right. It just. It seems like such a club, you know, where it's like, there just feels like such a specific route that you would need to, like, go to to, like, be able to do it. Like, you'd have to be like. I feel like to get into Broadway, usually you have to be like, like, this crazy dancer that's like. And then you end up in, like, the dancing zone of Broadway or something. Or like. Well, Charli d', Amelio, she was. Was in. Yeah, she was in something.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was Angelia. Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. And so she was doing. That's cool for her, too, because I feel like I got the vibe that she never really was super interested in, like, certain aspects of the content creator thing, but, like, it was very clear that she was a dancer.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, she was great in it. Oh, my God. She was, like, so good. I didn't get to see her in person, but, like, that was a huge deal for her. That's what I thought. When she was in, I was like, that's a huge deal.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, and so, yeah, it was cool to see her. Very few influencers have done it, I think. Who was that guy in Mean Girls? Cameron. Dallas. Is that his name?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Cameron Dallas. Notoriously bad. So I was worried. Yeah. I think people thought he was.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, you, like. Well, here's the thing, though. I don't think that I wouldn't have been worried that you were gonna do a bad job, though, because I feel like you love Broadway so much that you have such a respect for it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Ted Nivison]

So it's like, you're gonna. You're not gonna like half that.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, but I just didn't. I knew. I knew I wasn't up to the caliber of, like, if I didn't have a following, I wouldn't have gotten casted. So that gave me a little insecurity. But they did put me, like, with a really good. Like, the director and the choreographer. They put me with a good acting people that helped me do really good on it.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. What was, like, the rehearsal process?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, we went there a week prior, and I was just like. Yeah, all day, all night. I went to, like, rehearsals.

[Ted Nivison]

Just a week.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. But again, I was a smaller part in the show. Like, I think if I did the full show, it'd be, like, a lot more, but I was like, a smaller part. But they. Yeah, they rehearsed it so much where I remember telling Moses on the fourth day, I was Like, I think I got it. But they kept rehearsing, and I was like, you know what? I'll just go from what they say because they know more than me. But by the time opening night came, I was like, I could do this in my sleep, you know, it was so. And it was so fun and so easy. And again, the talent. There's, like, people doing, like, way more. But for me, I was just like, oh. I felt like that was my calling in life. That's what I meant to be.

[Ted Nivison]

Who was playing the Beetlejuice in that one? Was it.

[Moses Hacmon]

His name's Justin Collette. He did. He was Dewey in the School of Rock Broadway musical. He was great. He was wonderful. He might be a podcast, but he actually, like, injured himself, like, halfway through my run. So, like, the second half, my run was all swings for Beetlejuice, which is so cool to see because it's just, like, people who, like, don't play Beetlejuice, like, for, like, maybe a year, and then they just jump into the role that night and play Beetlejuice, which is, like, insane to me. It was so cool to watch. I really do.

[Ted Nivison]

They do those people, like, work on different shows in the meantime?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, they sit there every night and just watch the screens.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And they can play any part, mind you.

[Ted Nivison]

They surely get paid, of course. Okay. I don't know if they're paying well, I don't know. I don't know. I just. I feel like it's such a cut. It's just a cutthroat world, Trish. It's a cut.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're like, we're doing this for the fun of it. I would've.

[Ted Nivison]

I mean, for an opportunity, like, I feel like there's an angle in which that could be a thing, but I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I will say, for the record, I think people were also, like, most people were very excited for me. I think the little percentage of people that were, like, annoyed, they thought I was getting paid, like, all this money. And Broadway actors notoriously don't get paid a lot of money. I. I promise you, I got paid what everyone else was. There was no bonus for me. And if anything, because I brought my whole family. And the way we say, like, we ended up paying money to be on Broadway, which I would do all over again. You know what I mean? So, yeah, to clear it up, I wasn't getting, like, moo coo bucks for this, but it wasn't about that. I would have done it for free. And I somewhat did because I Just paid my own wage.

[Ted Nivison]

Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I know exactly what you're talking about. Like. Like with the music video I recently did, what always kind of ends up happening with the recent ones is that, like, the ideas that I have are, like, bigger than the actual budget a lot of time can account for. So a lot of time, I just end up putting, like, money from my own business into it so we can. So that the thing can be at the quality.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my.

[Ted Nivison]

That you want. It's nothing. It's not like. It's nothing crazy, but, like.

[Moses Hacmon]

But still, putting your own money into something that's not even necessarily. It is your project, but you're not, like, the face of it. Like, that's pretty.

[Ted Nivison]

Because it's like, you know, it's like an artistic investment in yourself, you know, which I imagine is probably how you felt, but it's like, that's an experience. Like, the. Like, if they weren't. Yeah. I don't think that it was a make or break. Like, the amount of money they would pay you. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, no, absolutely not. Like, literally, I was like, I don't care. I don't even think they told me right away. And I, like, didn't care. I just saw the discourse of, like, I can't believe they're. You know, she's playing a small part in probably getting more than all these people. I was like, I promise you I'm not. But I paid. Even those music videos I did, I was paying hundreds of thousand dollars just to pretend that I. I was in Beetlejuice. So the fact that I got to be in Beetlejuice was cool.

[Ted Nivison]

You've already spent the money.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was invested. I invested in myself. I was thinking when I was talking about, oh, Mary, we could play the roles of Mary Todd and Abraham Lincoln. Do you know anything about the story?

[Ted Nivison]

Vaguely. It's basically that it's like an incorrect retelling of Mary Todd's life where, like, Abraham Liggin is dealing with the Civil War, I think, and she just wants to, what, be, like, a dancer?

[Moses Hacmon]

She wants to be a showgirl. I don't know how incorrect this all is, but I think it's.

[Ted Nivison]

I think that spoilers are coming.

[Moses Hacmon]

Ooh, spoilers are coming. Spoiler warning. Get out now. Spoiler alert. Three, two, one. Spoiler warning. And he has a spoiler. He's like. He has, like, a gay lover who is John Wilkes Booth.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, no.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's the guy.

[Ted Nivison]

I won't spoil anything that kills him.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, I can. You want me spoil it? For you?

[Ted Nivison]

Sure. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Spoiler alert. So she ends up finding this out, killing Lincoln, but frames it on John Wilkes Booth.

[Ted Nivison]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Then she does her big.

[Ted Nivison]

And here we are today talking about it on the Trish podcast.

[Moses Hacmon]

The big finale number comes, and she does her Showgirl moment, and she has her moment at the end, and it's wonderful and it's great. So we could play those roles.

[Ted Nivison]

I think that's fun.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Would you do it?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, I'd do it. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Call us.

[Ted Nivison]

I love.

[Moses Hacmon]

I really. Like I said, there is a smaller part, like, of the teacher that I'm more likely to play, but I'm gonna go big and be like, I want to be Mary Todd.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And you're giving Abe Lincoln. You got the height.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, I just need that. I need the mutton chops. Does he have mutton chops?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, easily. Yeah, that's his thing, right?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, he's got the mutton chops and then. Oh, this is an update. I have a mustache now. I didn't have it on the last.

[Moses Hacmon]

You didn't.

[Ted Nivison]

I didn't have it on the last one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you not?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, on the last. Just. Trish. Wow. I did not have a mustache. This is a new addition.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why? Yeah. Why do you have this?

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I was like, Benson Boone inspired you or what?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. All Benson Boone. No, it was like. I don't know. I was. I just. I think I've always wondered if I could. I know I can't grow, like, a beard because I've got, like, patchy areas in here, but I've. I had noticed a few times when I had just, like, let my hair. My face hair grow out a little bit that I was like, there might be something there. There might be something there. And then I just tried it, and then I was like, okay. I think I might go back in a little. Maybe like, in 2027.

[Moses Hacmon]

Were you clean shaven? Is that when you were here last time?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. The mustache is giving Millennial hipster.

[Ted Nivison]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, But I like it.

[Ted Nivison]

Millennial Hipster. Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think that's why they called you Millennial earlier on, when someone's like, you Millennial. Because it's giving Millennial. But I like it. There's nothing wrong.

[Ted Nivison]

I feel like it doesn't have the twist, though. That's Millennial hipster right there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's a whole different. Yeah, that's why, I guess you lived in a part of town that I said earlier because I was like, oh, you're giving Silver Lake vibes.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Which you don't. She doesn't live there. I'm not doxing you.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, yeah. But I. I. I definitely don't want to have the mustache. It's like, I. I wouldn't go any bigger than this. What? I got, like. I wouldn't, like, grow it beyond the top lip or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that would be odd. I don't know anyone who does that.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, some people. Well, for instance, my buddy Eddie, he has. He has the. He has a. He has a very powerful mustache.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

That's like. I think it goes past his top lip, but it, like, works. It's like. It's like the true, like, fire chief mustache, you know?

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And did you do this for. No shame November. I'm trying to figure out how this is.

[Ted Nivison]

I think I. Well, when did I come on the pod? I think I just. I think I did do this for no shave. November. And then I kept. And I kept it on and just kept it going. But it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Could it get bigger? I just don't know how it could.

[Ted Nivison]

I don't know how it could either. No, I think. I mean, it grows down, but it doesn't really go any other direction.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't like seeing a person. Moses has a mustache. He left. He has a mustache. It's like. It's pricklier. I like it when he shaves. Shave the mustache and keep the beard. Just shave the stache.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. There's definitely times where I'm like, man, should I. But I wonder if I would have. I changed forever because of the stache.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do you feel like you have. Do you feel more intelligent?

[Ted Nivison]

Well, it's funny.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, less intelligent.

[Ted Nivison]

Do I look. I was gonna say, do I look more intelligent with the buzzer? No, I think.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it's giving, but it does give a little. Professor.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay, interesting. What's your opinion on this mustache era that I'm in? Because I'm sure that you've been keeping track, and I'm sure that you've had. You've generated opinions.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Let's hear it.

[Ted Nivison]

I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like the mustache is good for right now, but it's not for everything for you back. Yeah. Because it is trendy right now. I feel like guys are.

[Ted Nivison]

It is a little trendy right now. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

And, you know, while it's trendy, it's like, why not try it out?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

You know, But I definitely don't think it's something that is tied to me. I don't think that I'm married to it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Cause if you shaved it, you would have, like, a Jonathan Bailey Jurassic park going on right now. You know, you have the little glasses and the hair. You know what I mean? But the mustache is giving me my stepdad number two vibes.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

He actually did have a mustache.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's giving that.

[Ted Nivison]

So it doesn't feel like. Just from what I'm hearing from you right now, it doesn't feel like it's working for you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, I don't know. No, that's okay.

[Ted Nivison]

But that's okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't like my mustache. I waxed it the other day. I was like, oh, I hate a mustache on myself too.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, no, that's totally fair. Well, great. I'm shaving tomorrow now. Thank you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, but what is your significant other thing that's more important?

[Ted Nivison]

She's only known me with the mustache.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, so you're like, I want this. Okay, keep it. If that's how she's known you and loves it, keep it. Or would you want to shake? There was one time where you did half and then you realized.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay, so I was. It was during. I was doing this video on. Doing. Doing a morning routine thing. The Ashton hall morning routine, where you just. We got up at, like, 3:50 in the morning. Yeah, yeah. So I did that. I did that viral. Okay, now that is viral. Counts as viral. That was viral. I did that for a week for a video. And one of the mornings I was just like, I have this, like, shaver, and it's supposed to, like, stop it from shaving too too much, but, like, I didn't put it on right. Shaved the whole thing off. And I sent her a photo of it. And then she's like, that's a nice photo of you.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm like, didn't notice.

[Ted Nivison]

I'm like, aw. Because it was a little bit of, like. There was a little bit of. It's not like a crazy mustache or anything, but it was like. Like didn't clock it at all. It was very funny. I think I'm someone who, like, looks generally the same.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Ted Nivison]

Based on whatever.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, I didn't even know you had no mustache last time. I was like, this looks like you all the time.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. No, like, I feel like I'm someone who also looks generally the same with my glasses.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, wait, you look completely different.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, that's crazy. You turned into, like, a Jonas Brother or something. That was crazy. You know what people always clock Superman being like, how does she not notice him without his glasses? But I don't recognize you without Your glasses or you without your glasses? Yeah, you both look very different. Wow. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is actually so crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really? Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

My glasses are so dirty right now.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who is this crazy?

[Ted Nivison]

That's crazy. Okay. I need to wait until I actually have a microphone. So different. That's crazy because I have always felt that I look pretty similar with my. No, really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Not at all, huh?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. No, because you guys were like, who are you? Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Wow, you look good.

[Moses Hacmon]

You look young again. Younger. I think if you took the glass off in shade. Depends on how you want to look.

[Ted Nivison]

I look like a baby child.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, you do. You're giving without the glasses. You're also giving Finn Hudson from Glee.

[Trisha Paytas]

I see that.

[Ted Nivison]

Interesting.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

I never watched Glee.

[Trisha Paytas]

What? It seems like a used show.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

This sounds like you in high school.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You should do a video on Glee.

[Ted Nivison]

Glee, Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

A deep dive. Yeah. What kind of videos are you doing these days?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think you've only posted five this year, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, you saying you're too busy and only posting five videos this year?

[Trisha Paytas]

On the main.

[Ted Nivison]

On the main.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay. I got clocked hard there. No, you're right. You're right.

[Moses Hacmon]

What did you make them on? What were the topics this year?

[Ted Nivison]

Well, I made one on Twitter and then I made one. I made a couple of the last one. I did.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. On Maine.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh. I. I grew a plant from soil that was made of fast food. So there's a device called Lomi. It is a device that you can use food scraps and it'll turn it into kind of like a. Like a. Like a fertilizer, dirt esque stuff. And my buddy Tucker uses it for. Just for his genuine plant interest. And he just throws his food scraps in there because he's very environmentally, you know, And I thought that. And I was like, okay, well, what if you just put. And just try to grow a plant out of it?

[Moses Hacmon]

It seemed not fair to the plants.

[Ted Nivison]

So maybe that. Maybe that was my. Maybe that was my consumerism flub this year. Now that we were talking about consumerism earlier. Uh, I. So I had like five or six different pots and they had different ratios of like real dirt, like real potting soil, and like the fast food, like yellow dirt. And I think the. The most. The furthest I got it was I got like a little sprout to come out of a 20%. But like anything beyond that was like. It was like molding. It was like. It was nasty.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, but did you have hopes for it? Like was your hypothesis this could help it. Like, what is your.

[Ted Nivison]

My hypothesis was, could I. It was kind of more like when the guy grew the potatoes in the Martian. That was kind of like the same energy of like, can I grow life in this inhospitable circumstance?

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

No, it was a little ridiculous.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't mind it. I did a similar thing with my babies. I only ate fast food and they turned out fine.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Opposite effect of the plants. They thrived. All three of them, actually.

[Ted Nivison]

Some how is so. You know, it's funny, my co host, Tucker, he is a new father as well.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, when did he have the baby?

[Ted Nivison]

On September 30th.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow. First.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

How old your age?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, same age as me. He's like, I'm like 10 days older than him.

[Moses Hacmon]

Doesn't it feel so young to see people your age have babies? Like, even for me, I'm like, I'm too young to have a baby. But like 27, it's like, like that's Tana's age. Right. She's 27. And it's like I couldn't even imagine.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like you're like babies.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, he's a pretty traditional leaning guy. He's, you know, he was a Marine. You know, he's just. I think that that tracks for him.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

But I think in the content creator world specifically, I feel like if a content creator was having a baby around this age, it would be surprising because I just feel like people in entertainment have children later on average.

[Moses Hacmon]

Cause you guys do everything you want to do.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. You gotta do all the career stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

What about you? Would you be having a baby right.

[Ted Nivison]

Now, right in this moment?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

I feel like that would stress me out if I found out.

[Moses Hacmon]

You are so calm. You were like, maybe was like, ah. And you're like, it's okay, it's a baby.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, yeah, but it was a. It is a child. Yeah, it's like she's gonna, she's gonna get fussy every now and then. Yeah, that's no problem. That's just like part of being a kid.

[Moses Hacmon]

But you handle that well. Because even when I wasn't a parent, I'm very much like, why is that, why is that person here? You know? Yeah, you did that great. So I think you are ready for a baby if you were to have one right now.

[Ted Nivison]

You ready? Yeah. I don't know. I definitely do want to be a dad. I think I would be a killer.

[Moses Hacmon]

You would be a great dad.

[Ted Nivison]

I feel like I'd Give dad energy. I think we talked about this last time. Did we? Yeah, we totally talked about my ability to become a father.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, you're goofy, dad. Your ability. How do you know?

[Ted Nivison]

Like my.

[Moses Hacmon]

You tried it to become a father.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, yeah. No, I guess I don't. That's so fair.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know people from tests, you.

[Ted Nivison]

Know, I don't know my. What is it? T count or something or sperm count or whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Tested it out.

[Ted Nivison]

No, I haven't. I might be shooting blanks. Who knows?

[Moses Hacmon]

You never know. But you'll see.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, we'll find out. We'll find out soon enough. Yeah, no, but, but so Tucker, he's a. He's a father now and I'm just. You know, the only effect this has had on me is that I'm just like been. I've been. He's been away from the podcast, so I've just been running.

[Moses Hacmon]

Has he?

[Ted Nivison]

Well, yeah, because he's. We. They had to take like three months off.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, you have paternity leave. I love that. That's everything.

[Ted Nivison]

I mean. Yeah, he actually, he didn't get approved for. Cause he has like a 9 to 5 other than the podcast.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, it's very off coded and aren't you. I are like, why are you doing that nine to five? Why don't you just do the podcast full time? Or you encourage it? We love it.

[Ted Nivison]

I don't know if the podcast necessarily makes enough money for him to just do it as a. In that regard.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, you're doing it for the love of it.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Yeah. And he also is interested in what he's doing for his nine to five thing. But yeah, I mean, he's just hearing about the whole process of, of the, the birth and like, he loved it. I don't know, it's just weird. It's like my best friend who I've known for the last like 12 years or something, and he's having a child and it's like. And it's like, it's. It's so. It's so crazy too because it's just like, like his, his, like his wife was the like roommate of like my ex. Ex girlfriend or something in college or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Ted Nivison]

And so like, like the pathway of like how they ended up together and then like had a kid and stuff is like, I don't know. Our lives are very intertwined in that way. So it's just very interesting to see like their relationship develop and then they get. They got married and then they have a kid. I Don't know. It's just. It's when it's. It feels normal. When it's so. When it's everyone else in the world doing that stuff. But when it's like someone so close to you and like someone you grew up with and it's like, this is like, like a big deal. It's like. I don't know, it's just. I don't know, it's interesting. It's. It's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Shocked. Like if Oscar or Tana, like, had a baby, I'd be like, what? Like, you're too young. Like you're too like. I don't know. Yeah, I know what you mean. It's like too close. Do you. Have you met the baby?

[Ted Nivison]

I have not, but I will be this Christmas season.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh.

[Ted Nivison]

I will be meeting the baby for the first time. And I. And I got him an outfit.

[Moses Hacmon]

From where?

[Ted Nivison]

It's from this little boutique, little baby boutique in Orange County.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

Love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Local business, small business.

[Ted Nivison]

Love that. It's like a little. It's like a flat. It's a three to six month. Because they're gonna be like three months in like right as the year's ending.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love that you know that.

[Ted Nivison]

So it'll be three to six month is like the tag. Like they put it three to six and it's like. That's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that is crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

That's. That business is bleeding people dry, I bet.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, that's what you should talk about because that is so true. Talk about us being non over consumers. Like all of our babies, including Aquaman, was just like, he was getting some of Malibu's clothes because we're like, these clothes are so expensive. They do go just in like toxic waste. You know what I mean? It's like, no, we're gonna just have them. He's in a little princess outfit sometime. I mean, we're gonna have a photos and stuff. We don't. But you know, babies don't know. But yet you're buying. Janie and Jack will be selling like overalls for 65 for a zero to three month old. And by the way, they say zero to three months, the actual size for like a week. Then they're three to six months because they grow so freaking fast. Like they're just. It's such a scam, that scam of it all. Unless they eat that for your video.

[Ted Nivison]

I feel like people in general, actually, I feel like people in general are pretty good about like passing around the baby clothes though at least, like from what I've Heard from Tucker and Emma is that, like, they've gotten so many different, like, sets of, like, old baby clothes from different families and stuff like that. It's a boy.

[Moses Hacmon]

We have lots. Our boy is only, like, probably a couple months older, so we can risk.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, they're all the way in Massachusetts.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, we'll send it. We have means. Yeah, honestly.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, honestly, if you try, like, they would definitely accept that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Are they a baptism or.

[Ted Nivison]

No, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if. Well. Cause Emma, was she maybe. I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't know to what degree they're involved in. Cause she grew up pretty religious, but then she's less so now.

[Moses Hacmon]

But we're not religious. We're just, like, spiritual. And we love a little water ceremony, so we do the baptism, you know, but yeah, we're not religious in that sense. So do you feel almost kind of pressured then, if that's like your best friend to be like, we should probably be having kids at the same time.

[Ted Nivison]

It's definitely something that's crossed my mind where it's like, we're not gonna have, like, same age kids.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Cause I don't think that in the next couple years. Yeah, well, I don't know. Maybe in the next. I have no idea. I've taken it as it goes, but it's a little bit of a bummer where it's like, we're not lined up that way. But there's nothing really you can do about that, really.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. No, but it is. My brother is like.

[Ted Nivison]

The idea is fun, though, of, like, having cousins that are the exact same age as you or equivalent cousins, you know?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. That's the hard part. Because finding kid friends, like our birthday parties is always like, I think Oscar's nephew came. Like, you have a kid, bring him over. Because we're just trying to find, like, any kids our kids age because we're the same way. All of our, like, his friends already had kids that are a little older. And then me too, might already had kids. So it's just like. It's a weird middle ground, but it's hard to find.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, are there kids in the neighborhood at all?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, it's old people, which we love. They're quiet. Yeah. But maybe next time I see you, you're gonna have me. I have two kids, too.

[Ted Nivison]

I just managed to have two kids.

[Moses Hacmon]

Possible.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, but I like it. I like that you. Any other thoughts on the state of the world of 2025.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. We wrap it up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Address your death. Your dad death prophecy. I gu. Not even hoax prophecy, because that was the big thing.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That scared me when I saw it the first time.

[Ted Nivison]

It was like a bit. It was a bit that happened where my. My buddy schlatt, like, in 2021 or something had done. We were doing this video where we were just making, like, ridiculous T shirt designs just for a YouTube video. And the T shirt design that he made was. It just said, I am Ted Nivison and I will die on October 23, 2025. This is like 2021.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's a crazy thing to put out to the universe.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, yeah. No, it was meant to be ridiculous, for sure.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God. Guess you don't believe in manifesting.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, well, I. I mean, I had to. In that moment, I had to not believe in it. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy. Wow. Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

And then just as when 2020, 2025 started, it was like, all of a sudden, I started getting comments where people were like, it's the year, Ted. It's the year you're gonna die. And I'm like, I didn't think that this many people cared about that video.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Ted Nivison]

And then it got. It picked up more and more and more as it got to the date. And now after the date passed, I was like. I did a little post where I was like, I lived. But now everyone's, like, such a shame that they have to use AI to replace them now.

[Moses Hacmon]

And like, oh, they went with the bit. They kept going.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, no, they're going with the bit a lot longer than is. This is funny. It's December now.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, were you a little nervous when it came around?

[Ted Nivison]

I think that there was a part of me that, like, as I was going to sleep on October 22nd.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

I was like, I really hope I wake up that there isn't. That I'm not on, like, a show, that this isn't a simulation and that, like, that this isn't going to happen. But then, you know, October 24th comes and I'm like, like, made it. I did it. I'm gonna live forever now.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's a good manifestation.

[Ted Nivison]

Living forever.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, true.

[Moses Hacmon]

You sound like Beetlejuice when you did that. Would you live forever if you were Edward Cullen?

[Ted Nivison]

The whole being death thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, wait, what? How do you know that if you've never seen Beetlejuice in the musical?

[Ted Nivison]

Because I watch clips on YouTube of the songs.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, really?

[Ted Nivison]

Well, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's so random.

[Trisha Paytas]

And she performed it for her dogs. Look that up on YouTube.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. She wrote the whole musical in 2020.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. You know what's the one I specifically watched of the whole Being Dead thing?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Is the Tony performance they did.

[Moses Hacmon]

Alex Kittman.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. With that guy who was also in that show, Hazbin Hotel.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, did you like that one?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, I liked it, but I almost was, like. Almost felt bad for liking it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, why? I thought that was, like, a hit. Well, John Lee was in it.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. But then also, like, I feel like it has so many haters, too. Like, people also think that's just. But then also, I'm not. I don't want to be cringe anymore or I don't want to feel bad for being cringe anymore. So, yeah, I kind of like Hazbin Hotel.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, so you're just watching a Tony Award performance of Alex Brightman performing the whole Being Dead thing? Just randomly not knowing the show or Alex Brightman?

[Ted Nivison]

Well, I mean, I've seen the movie.

[Moses Hacmon]

So you're like, let me just watch this clip of it. That's so random.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, I mean, Broadway is like. It's. There's kind of a. What's it. What's it called? Like a. There's a little bit of a barrier to entry if you don't directly live in New York.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

And, like. And they're. The tickets are like, you know, $500 or something like that. Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think they're, like, not that much now. I think like a hundred.

[Ted Nivison]

A hundred bucks?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Because he bought a ticket every night, and I think they were like, a hundred, right, Moses?

[Ted Nivison]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Like 50 to, like. They're making you pay every night? We didn't get any free tickets.

[Ted Nivison]

Damn.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

What? That's the craziest part.

[Moses Hacmon]

We were paying every night. Opening night, we got, like, 10 tickets, I think. And then after that, they're like, we can reserve tickets, but you have to pay for them.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

And we did.

[Ted Nivison]

That's nice that you can reserve them, though. We had two every time. Okay, so 100 bucks. That's not that bad.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's getting better. I mean, it's still crazy in this economy, as we know. Yes. 100 bucks is a lot.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I didn't take it for granted, but you sounded like Beetlejuice when you did that. That's why I was like, oh, that's crazy. But it's crazy you know that song. Cause that's so niche and very specific.

[Ted Nivison]

But yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, you should have come.

[Ted Nivison]

Honestly, now I'm, like, kicking myself that well. So wait, when's your next show?

[Moses Hacmon]

Vancouver on Monday. You want to come?

[Ted Nivison]

Vancouver? Oh, it's traveling. It's a traveling band. Was it in. But it was in New York for a period, and then. And then you went on my.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, Beetlejuice. I did in New York.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then I came back and did my own tour.

[Ted Nivison]

Gotcha. Gotcha.

[Moses Hacmon]

Thousand Oaks. Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, I see.

[Moses Hacmon]

Was there. He did a performance.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I performed Gnarly.

[Ted Nivison]

You know that song Gnarly? Yeah. I don't think I do. What?

[Trisha Paytas]

Knew it. I knew it.

[Moses Hacmon]

You don't know Cat. Ey.

[Trisha Paytas]

See, I knew it.

[Ted Nivison]

Is this. This is the band. This is the. This is the girl group. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Yes.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, they had the. Added. The touch.

[Trisha Paytas]

Touch.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, that's going to go, you know.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, but I don't know this song. This specific song.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's the new one.

[Ted Nivison]

No, no, I don't know that.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't know Itsukin?

[Ted Nivison]

I don't know Isuki.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did ask him. I'm like, you know that Ethan Slater spongebob dance? Because I did want to. I did want him to do it. Wouldn't he. He'd be so good at it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do you know it?

[Ted Nivison]

I've seen a lot of tiktoks of. Of girls making their boyfriends do it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God. You need to do it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wanted that to be my first TikTok told me, can we stand next.

[Ted Nivison]

To each other and do it? Okay. Because I don't want to do it by myself.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I wouldn't do it. I would just sit there.

[Ted Nivison]

I can't just have. I can't just be doing this dance and you being like. Like filming me.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love it. Do you know the words?

[Ted Nivison]

Set sail? Some set sails in the set sail.

[Moses Hacmon]

As if this day couldn't get any better. But it keeps on trying.

[Ted Nivison]

Have you seen the spongebob musical?

[Moses Hacmon]

It was where Beetlejuice is. Is at the Pals Theater. It was in the same stage that Ethan Slater performed at. I did not see it. I have seen clips, but I did not see it.

[Ted Nivison]

I've always wondered how. Because I haven't seen it either. As you guys know this at this point, I haven't seen it, but I always wonder how they made that work. That's another one. That's another one where I just know the songs from, but I haven't. I mean, same thing, I guess. I saw the. The Disney plus version of it. It was kind of like the same thing with Hamilton for a while, right? You Know where I learned all the songs at Hamilton, but never saw it until they like the. Like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow. You know, that is interesting. I usually don't know the music unless I've seen the show and then I get obsessed with it. So it's interesting.

[Ted Nivison]

I feel like Hamilton is one of those shows that. Where you can kind of experience most of the show. Like, is there a. Or is it.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's no dialogue.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, I was gonna. Yeah. I feel like it's all singing. So you kind of listen to the whole thing. You get the whole story.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Yes. It's very Joseph, too. Joseph means the Technicolor Dream coast while.

[Ted Nivison]

Singing Joseph and the Golden Technicolor Dream Girl.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do you know it?

[Ted Nivison]

I'm aware of it. I'm aware of it, Joseph. Right? Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Hang on now. Joseph, you'll make it some. How do you know that song?

[Ted Nivison]

I think that's a. That's a real early memory. I think that maybe we saw it at some point when I was a kid. I don't know. I just. I just remember my mom or my dad at random points. If they get prompted because they'll have, like. Parents sometimes have, like, prompts that'll send them done, like a catchphrase. Do you guys not have this? No. Where they'll just say, I don't know. Well, whatever. Sometimes. Sometimes my mom will just break into JoJo. JoJo.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really? I like your mom.

[Ted Nivison]

Just like that beginning.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me too. That's my favorite song. I love Go Go Joseph. It's my favorite music of all time.

[Ted Nivison]

Really love it.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're remaking it. Jon M. Chu is actually remaking it next year.

[Ted Nivison]

What was it about? It was about Jesus having a rainbow coat. No, Joseph. Joseph having a rainbow coat.

[Moses Hacmon]

Joseph was before Jesus.

[Ted Nivison]

Jesus before Moses.

[Moses Hacmon]

He was before. Yeah. Old Testament. Not familiar.

[Ted Nivison]

The metal stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Ted Nivison]

Matthew 18, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. What's the. Was it Matthew Something like 8:18 or something?

[Moses Hacmon]

8:18?

[Ted Nivison]

No, 6:18. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Know.

[Ted Nivison]

Basically, it's the. It's a crazy line from the Bible. It's like if anyone causes these little. These little ones to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung over their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

[Moses Hacmon]

Crazy. Who wrote that, Mark?

[Ted Nivison]

I don't know who wrote it, but it's like. All I gotta say is like, bars, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

That was good. You said you had it perfectly well because.

[Ted Nivison]

Said it to me like a hundred thousand times. He keeps quoting it because it's like a crazy line.

[Moses Hacmon]

You say chat. Oh, chat. Keep selling me. I'm like, that's crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. No, that one. Because it's like. I think it's just like, if someone causes, like, the people believe me to like, literally, like, make a mistake or like, or their faith waivers, then you should put a giant 2 pound millstone over their neck and drown.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's why we shouldn't listen to the Bible. I love spirituality. I love Jesus. But the Bible was wrenched by people that just made, I think, think. Yeah, I mean, like, what is it? Sodom and Gomorrah? Goliath and David. You would be good on that one too, because you're so tall.

[Ted Nivison]

I'd be God, David, right here.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, recreate it. Biblical. Yes. I love a little biblical.

[Trisha Paytas]

But we were gonna. We wanted to pitch a Just Trish network podcast with the two of us. So maybe that can be the theme.

[Moses Hacmon]

How many podcasts do you have now?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, I have one. I mean, if there's. If there's a podcast that. Hmm. I mean, if there's a podcast where I can just show up.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, we're good at that. Make it happen.

[Ted Nivison]

I love a podcast where I can just show up.

[Moses Hacmon]

You are great at it. Do you have the time, though? Because you just said you don't have time. Would you have time? Oh, you also don't have time. Both of you would have no time to do it together because Oscar's busy 24 7. It seems like you're pretty busy these days. But. Yeah, how would you coordinate? Yeah, okay, I'm down. Let's do it. If you build. If they build a video.

[Ted Nivison]

Sounds interesting.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'll build a set.

[Ted Nivison]

It sounds interesting.

[Moses Hacmon]

See who shows up.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, that seems like it would be.

[Trisha Paytas]

Over there for a second.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm really good at building sets. What would it be called?

[Ted Nivison]

What would it be called? David. Nicolette. That'd be crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's a good one.

[Ted Nivison]

What would this be called?

[Moses Hacmon]

Ted and Oscar.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tall and Small.

[Ted Nivison]

Tall and small.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that's good. Ted and Oscar's Excellent Adventure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my. That's really good. Yep. Yep.

[Ted Nivison]

What's yours, man? I'm bad at names. I'm bad at thinking of good, catchy names.

[Moses Hacmon]

What's yours called? What's your podcast called?

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, take it easy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

I stole that, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

No, like, no, no, like, as in, like the. The discord, like, server that, like, Tucker and. And like, we all just like, game in. It's just called, like the Take It Easy Lounge. And I was like, we should just use Take it Easy Is like, that's a good. Because we would kind of just like that was like a phrase we like. We would kind of say be like, hey, take it easy.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's a great one. And people love it. They know what it means. It's not confusing. What? Wasn't there, like a podcast you had that was like a silly name?

[Trisha Paytas]

Chuckle Sandwich.

[Ted Nivison]

Chuckle Sandwich.

[Moses Hacmon]

What happened to that? It's over.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, that. Yeah, that ended that. Oh, yeah, that ended this. Oh, my God. This year in January.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why?

[Ted Nivison]

Cause Schlatt was done. He didn't want to do anymore.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

And I think we had done the podcast for like four years.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that's the mark. The four year itch. Cause Tana and cancelled is four years too. And they ended it. So it must be that time when people are like, it's done.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Which I get it.

[Ted Nivison]

I think that, like doing something every week for four years and it's like, I don't know, it's just like, you know, you just kind of want to move on. And I think that that's. That's fine. And I think that we did some good. We did some good stuff with that podcast and we ended it really well. We ended it with like a, like a three hour, like, DND episode that was like a one off where we brought in like Charlie, who was like one of the members of the podcast, and he. Because we had done several. Are you familiar at all with D and D? I don't know, because in my periphery I'm seeing you.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, maybe I am. What is it?

[Ted Nivison]

So you like D and D?

[Moses Hacmon]

Audrey Hepburn.

[Ted Nivison]

I'll be honest, the only context I've played it is on those.

[Trisha Paytas]

Say what it is, though.

[Ted Nivison]

But D and D is basically like you go on an adventure where you're making sand.

[Trisha Paytas]

Isn't Dragon.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, like from Stranger Things.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, say the actor. She doesn't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, you're like D and D. You're right.

[Ted Nivison]

I should have.

[Moses Hacmon]

D and D was crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

You're right. It does sound like S and M or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Homoerotic.

[Ted Nivison]

D and D. No. Yeah. We had done it a few times in the past where it would be like kind of a one off for that episode. We kind of like make our characters and then we go on this adventure and it's like. And it's fun. And then for the final episode, we did that and it had a bunch of references to the whole podcast previously. And we built this whole set for it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just for this one episode.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't like it Wasn't like a build like this. It wasn't like build like this. It was like, we had some props, and we used a big table, and we were in a studio to do it. And. Yeah, you know, we had lighting, so that's impressive. Yeah. But this is. I mean, this is great. I mean, thanks.

[Moses Hacmon]

We can build you one.

[Ted Nivison]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

We built it with no budget.

[Ted Nivison]

It is really nice.

[Moses Hacmon]

Thank you.

[Ted Nivison]

It is really nice. Man, that'd be crazy if we. If we started a p. I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because on Take it Easy, you've had no gay people, so I feel like you really got to branch out into.

[Ted Nivison]

Gay, like, like, on. As guests or just, like, in general? I mean, to be fair. Yeah. We haven't had too many guests on six.

[Trisha Paytas]

I went and counted.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, not one.

[Ted Nivison]

On Chuckle. We. Of the gay people. We had.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, none.

[Ted Nivison]

No, we had. We had gay people on. On Chuckle.

[Moses Hacmon]

Name one, Austin.

[Trisha Paytas]

Name one gay person.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay, well.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, yeah, that doesn't count.

[Ted Nivison]

He doesn't count.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well.

[Ted Nivison]

Seriously, writing off a person who's in a marginalized community. Trisha. Twitter.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's like, he did rivalry. It's too. He's like, almost too straight passing. Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So he doesn't count. You need to get a gay. A gay in there.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, he's gonna get. He's gonna get gay. He's gonna get.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like, Christian is gay, but what would.

[Ted Nivison]

You say makes someone, like, straight passing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Versus not Austin is like, as straight as. Like, as straight as it comes for a gay person. Like, he knows none of the gay, like, lingo. Christian does a lot of the. The heavy lifting when it comes to gay.

[Ted Nivison]

Heavy lifting.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like his boyfriend.

[Ted Nivison]

You know, being his boyfriend. Yeah, that's a big one.

[Trisha Paytas]

But the education about gay culture comes from Christian. Austin, I feel like, is. Yeah, he's a little out of the loop.

[Ted Nivison]

Like, who threw the first brick?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Well. Well, sure.

[Moses Hacmon]

We love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So awesome.

[Ted Nivison]

That's. What is it Is Stonewall.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know about it.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What happened at Stonewall? How many people died at Stonewall?

[Ted Nivison]

Maybe. What Let me think. It was. So I feel like I have a number that's, like, too high. That feels too high, but it feels like I feel like the number eight was involved somewhere.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow.

[Ted Nivison]

No one has really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Then maybe start collaborating.

[Ted Nivison]

You know what it is? I think then the reason why I thought that someone did die was because I have heard the thing where people ask how many people died? And then it was none question. So then now I was overthinking it. What Year did it happen?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I don't know anything about years.

[Ted Nivison]

Look up what year it happened.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

I want to. I need to figure out if the. If the 8 was in there somewhere.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love that you just thought of eight.

[Trisha Paytas]

June 28, 1969.

[Ted Nivison]

Damn it. Okay, there is an eight in there, but I don't know if it really saves me.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's the same year we went to the moon. Or did we.

[Trisha Paytas]

Good point.

[Ted Nivison]

1969?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Don't you remember even Stevens? We went to the moon in 1969. Not 1970, but a year sooner. We went to the moon. 1969.

[Ted Nivison]

That's actually kind of crazy, because if 1969 feels so early, but once you. If it was 1970, it'd be like, that feels reasonable, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

1969 is like a crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, like that 1970, I feel like, is the first one where it's like, okay, that's not, like, too long ago.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right, Right, right. But that's what I'm saying. I think it's, like, faked because it's easier to fake things back in the 60s than it would be today.

[Ted Nivison]

But we have AI now.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, but that was, like, fuzzy TV. So you're like, is that the moon or is that a set in Hollywood? You know what I mean? Like, that's what it's easier to fake now. People can clock it a lot easier. Like Uno as AI.

[Trisha Paytas]

Damn.

[Ted Nivison]

You know, I don't. I was thinking this as I was driving over. I was like, oh, I should have brought. I should have showed up with, like, a whole dossier of, like, evidence, because I knew it was going to come up again. And, like. Like, I should have. I should have, like, come in and I would be like, well, in that case, here's NASA science. Like a NASA scientist.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love that.

[Ted Nivison]

That would have been great.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if that would even convince you, though. No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, not at all. Unless I go to the moon myself. Would you go to space? Like Katy Perry and Gayle King?

[Ted Nivison]

I think that that feels a little early.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, you would not do it. Like, you wouldn't even do what they did. Like, go up for 12 minutes.

[Ted Nivison]

I mean, not right now. Here's the thing. I want, like, real space. Like, I want us to have boots on the moon. Like, there's houses there. You know, there's habitats there, and people are doing science experiments up there. And, like, there's a spaceport. I want spaceports. That's what I want. Like airports, but for space.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, well, they have to land somewhere.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I Want.

[Trisha Paytas]

You want to colonize space?

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's kind of what you're getting at.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, crazy. Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

I want to colonize space.

[Moses Hacmon]

Clip it. Clip. Harm it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cut it right there.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then wanting to tour in Saudi Arabia and Russia. Someone combine it.

[Ted Nivison]

I do want to go to a comedy festival in Saudi Arabia.

[Moses Hacmon]

You have no. Oh, yeah. I'm like, you have no concern about ever being canceled?

[Ted Nivison]

Well, I don't think that any of those were real only men until you.

[Moses Hacmon]

See that 10 million.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. No, I mean, I colonize the. Out of space If I got 100 million for it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, 100 million. The 10 was the number.

[Ted Nivison]

Wow. Yeah. Well, okay, here's what I said. 10. Let me clarify before. Before they come for me for the Saudi Arabian Riyadh comedy festival, for 10 million, I would say. I would yell and grit my teeth as I said no.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Ted Nivison]

It was painful to turn down that life changing, unbelievably life changing amount of money. 100 million. I would need a day. And then realize this is blood money. No. And then I. It's just like. I don't know, it just doesn't. I just don't know if there's an amount where I wouldn't feel bad about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, no, no. Good thing comes from, you know, blood money. I never heard that term, but yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it's. Yeah, that's always feels a little icky.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Curse money.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. And I guess there are some people out there that could argue that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

[Moses Hacmon]

But that part, that part is so real, you know?

[Ted Nivison]

But I feel like that is just hard to spin that as being. Being ethical.

[Moses Hacmon]

So. Notice space either.

[Ted Nivison]

Notice space. Well, space is interesting though. Would you go to space?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think so now.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think I was like, scared of it. But I'm like, they probably know what they're doing.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Until they don't.

[Ted Nivison]

Well. Cause I don't know, isn't that a thing where it like kind of doesn't count as space or it kind of does. Like, it's like it's space on a technicality.

[Trisha Paytas]

Technicality, yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Cause it's like the upper atmosphere where it counts as space, but then it's like, like you. If you stepped out, you wouldn't be able to breathe, but like it's kind of like a plane almost. It lands like it.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, it's like just high enough to be considered space.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Maybe not, actually. I take that Back because there was a space shuttle. We were in one city this weekend, and there was like, a space shuttle that, like, everyone was, like, waving and then, like, it, like. Like it blew up.

[Ted Nivison]

Talking about the Challenger explosion maybe in.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like the 80s or 90s.

[Ted Nivison]

I think you're talking about the Challenger explosion.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. There was a school teacher on it too, and she was the. Her whole class was watching. It was horrible.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, they showed it on live tv and they showed them, like, walking in, like, waving and smiling. How did that. How did that happen? Like, why did that happen? That's crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

I. I don't know the specifics. I don't know the specifics of why it happened, but it was like, what's up?

[Trisha Paytas]

The tile on the ship was not.

[Moses Hacmon]

A tile wasn't aligned.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, that's terrible. So something wasn't aligned. Just the tiles were not strong enough. Oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my. Yeah, well, yeah, it's like.

[Ted Nivison]

It's like if you're not sure, 100% sure about the alignment on your. Don't put a school teacher on there. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Damn. Okay, well, we can transition away from that. That's kind of.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I just saw it and I was like, that's so scary. So I take it back. Actually, you're right. I don't want to do that. I don't want to risk. I don't like risking my life.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, I think it needs to become one of those things. But I guess it's tough because there's certain niche things that are technically still safe statistically. Like, like your. When you go. Like. Like, would you go skydiving, for instance? No, but then you hear the statistics about it. It's actually safer to skydive than it is to just get in a car and drive somewhere.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, but I need to get in a car. I don't need to skydive.

[Ted Nivison]

Damn.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, I have to be mobile.

[Ted Nivison]

I've been getting clocked this whole thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

I do feel smart. I'm smarter than Ted Niffison, who has a Bachelor of science. But I mean, like.

[Ted Nivison]

But if you wanted to, you know, if you wanted a skydive, if you were worried about it, then it's like, well, you're more likely to die from a car crash than you ever.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I looked up some statistics of like, do you die more of a heart attack or skydiving? I think I'm die of the heart attack while skydiving because I'd be so scared. And I'm sure those statistics are very high. Who Dies of heart attacks. And that would probably be more.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So therefore I don't do that. I don't worry about the impact. It's me, my heart giving out because I'm terrified. Because actually, on roller coasters, too, people usually die from, like, their heart giving out rather than a crash of a roller coaster, right?

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, yeah. There was somebody who died recently at university rehearsal. Yeah, it was like, oh, really?

[Moses Hacmon]

They, like, take them off the property, and then they, like, technically didn't die there, so they're like, no, they were alive.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, that's devious.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was this?

[Moses Hacmon]

Disney does it too.

[Ted Nivison]

This was, like, recently, some dude's, like, leg, like. His legs, like, broke, like, on this.

[Moses Hacmon]

Was it universal on this?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, it was universal. Like, recently, it was like, some guy's, like, legs broke on the ride. And then it's like. I don't know. It was like, what. I was. I was hearing about it, like, just from, like, seeing, like, a headline, but then I was like, that seems too horrible to learn more about. I'm gonna leave it there. I'm gonna leave my information. I know about it at that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I agree. It's. It's pretty dark, but I guess, like you said, are you. That's why I don't go on rides. To be honest, I actually do get. I do get weirdly. I'm very, like, weirdly scared of a lot of things in life.

[Ted Nivison]

Mm. What's the thing you're most scared of other than Australians?

[Moses Hacmon]

Australians is crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

Last time you said that you're afraid.

[Moses Hacmon]

Of Australians because you were about to go, oh, Bluey. We love Bluey now. He's very popular in New York. Nothing. No, I'm scared of, like, the.

[Ted Nivison]

So I just need to say bluey is a girl.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy. How do we know this?

[Ted Nivison]

Well, you said last time that you thought it was misogynistic, that it was blue, but. Because it's a boy. But bluey's a girl.

[Moses Hacmon]

Work. I like it. I'm here for it. I didn't know. I never see any pronouns anywhere. We went to the museum, and we saw nothing, but I love it. How do we know that?

[Ted Nivison]

I think it's just. I think it's said.

[Moses Hacmon]

Common knowledge. That's crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

I think it's said in the show. Yeah, Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like bluey, and M. I'm there for it.

[Ted Nivison]

But what is the thing you're most afraid of?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, an irrational fear or, like, a rational fear? Like, which one? Like, Australians are irrational fears.

[Ted Nivison]

I mean, I feel like I I don't know. I mean like I guess depends on what your definition of irrational is. I would just. I would just go for the top one. What's the strongest fear?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like truly and I'm not like being like crazy or funny or anything that is like. Like IRL streaming like I don't want people to know exactly where I am. That's.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like when I see like I'm not victim blame but when you see people like get like approached and stuff like that's, that's what I don't want. I don't like. So I'm. Even when I not. I'm not a streamer clearly. But like even when I'm in my car just filming I always think like what was it? Fousey got like swatted or something in his car eating like rotisserie chicken. And I do that quite often and I'm like what if they just like came up to me? You know what I mean? Like that kind of stuff.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Truly like scares me. Yeah. I don't like it. I don't know.

[Ted Nivison]

That's. I mean that makes perfect sense. Like. Like it's definitely something I like when I'm out and about doing a video where I have to like drive somewhere in my car. I'm like. When I'm like cutting in between moments I'm like like how do I make sure that the background isn't like of the outside the car isn't too like identifying of like the general because it's la. So it's like you're not gonna be found me that easily. But like you know, I'm still like. I don't want to like let them triangulate.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Ted Nivison]

You know, so I get that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do you stream though? Do you stream?

[Ted Nivison]

No, I don't stream and that and I know exactly what you're talking about where it's like someone's like just like out and about. I don't know, it just seems that's. That's scary to have someone just like show up and like. Like cuz I mean that's always been a thing too with like. I mean we're getting back to a dark place but like, but you know. No, no, that. That's valid.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. Yeah, I think I know.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

As a woman.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, no, I know. And like that it sucks cuz it's like not. It shouldn't be anyone's fault but like that is just like where it's at right now. So streamers scare me.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Good luck.

[Ted Nivison]

So you wouldn't so you would never stream in general either? Yeah. Not even just, like. Have you done, like, a live. Just Trish thing?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, no. I used to do, like, live YouTube video. Even that. I just don't like someone knowing where I am. Okay, guys, gonna go get some groceries or something, you know, and you can still.

[Ted Nivison]

It's like, people don't, like, need that level of access.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

To you either.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, yeah, I'm pretty accessible, but that I don't, like. I don't know. What's your fear?

[Ted Nivison]

What's my fear? God. What is my fear? Ooh. Oh, man. I haven't thought of what a fear.

[Moses Hacmon]

You don't have any off the top of your head?

[Ted Nivison]

No, but I'm not. I'm genuinely not fearless, though. I like. I know I'm afraid of things. I mean, I think that I would be afraid of failure. That's afraid of failure. Are you? Oh, totally. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

You leave all those rotten figs.

[Ted Nivison]

I'm afraid of all those figs rotting on the ground.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, wow.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, Definitely afraid of failures. I think that. I think. Oh, if you, like, fall out of a boat in the ocean, Open water. Well, I mean, open water. Like, what's down there?

[Moses Hacmon]

We don't know. That's what it is. Crazy.

[Ted Nivison]

Less explored than the. Less explored than, like, the what? The moon?

[Moses Hacmon]

Right. Because who goes? No one can go down that farm.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, the bottom of the ocean.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think you'd make it down there alive, so I don't think you'd have to.

[Ted Nivison]

I think that there's creatures down there. I really believe that there's, like. I mean, there definitely is, objectively creatures down there, but I think that there's, like, fantastical crazy things. Like, there's got to be a Megalodon down there or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Did we talk about this last time with the Megalodon? I feel like we've talked about that.

[Ted Nivison]

Before Here am I dropping Megalodon. Every Trish podcast or someone talked about it before.

[Trisha Paytas]

We definitely talked about Megalodon before.

[Ted Nivison]

Big, big shark.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, the priest, he's scared of.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, dude. Yeah, they got teeth like, this big. Yeah, that's too big.

[Moses Hacmon]

Probably would eat you pretty quick. So you won't have to worry about it.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

You can survive in a whale. You can't survive in a Megalodon.

[Ted Nivison]

Why are you on the Megalodon side right now? Yeah, well, you were like. You were like. Are you scared of it? Yeah. No, I would probably eat you. Pretty crap.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Megalodon would eat you right up Here.

[Moses Hacmon]

It'S a rational fear. Is what I'm saying, though, is, like, that is irrational fear.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, but they're supposed to be extinct, so that's. That's. That's why. Well, don't bring. I mean, geez, you're Scottish.

[Moses Hacmon]

Loch Ness.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, yeah. No, that's one that I feel like I want to be real, though.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's real, Nessie.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, that's like that. That. Have you been to Scotland?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, but you have. So have you seen it?

[Ted Nivison]

I've never been to Scotland.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I thought you were there this year, didn't you?

[Ted Nivison]

I was in the. I was in the uk, but I was just in. I was in, like, the south. I was in Brighton.

[Moses Hacmon]

Isn't only England, Ireland and Scotland. Where else can you.

[Ted Nivison]

Northern Ireland is in the uk. Not the. Not, though. That's a. That's a. That's a touchy subject, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

For in the other divided. Where's Southern Ireland?

[Ted Nivison]

It's just Ireland. That's just the rest of Ireland. So there was. There was like a whole, like. There was a whole, like, war thing. Like a.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. I don't actually know too much information.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, Tyler taught me about this. He did tell me that there was like, a war back in the day. You know him? You're familiar. You know.

[Ted Nivison]

No, I don't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do you know of him?

[Ted Nivison]

I know of the war. That's what. That's what, that movie. One of the Argentinian ones. No, the Hunger. It's about, like, some hunger strikes that happen in a prison from, like, with the IRA members and stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

But yeah, Northern Ireland.

[Ted Nivison]

Northern Ireland. But yeah. No, I do want to go to Scotland, though. That would be cool to go and. Cause the locks. A lock. They're really deep, too. Have you heard about that?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, the bodies of water, like, the unnaturally.

[Ted Nivison]

Like, they're like. It's not super huge, but they're like thousand meters, 2,000 meters deep.

[Moses Hacmon]

And what do you want to go see about them? You want to go swim in them or just see them?

[Ted Nivison]

I want to find Nessie and I want to train it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, so you missed your.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, well, yeah, that seems problematic. You want to take a wild creature and then just train it.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, yeah, I need to have.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was so problematic. The vet we had last year, can you imagine? Like, really upset about that.

[Moses Hacmon]

The sexy vet that he said you were sexier than said that those are problematic to take animals out of the wild, even here. Like, coyotes, like, don't howl it.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, well, I feel like I would be Doing Nessie a favor because it's like. Because everyone knows that they're there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know about that.

[Ted Nivison]

Everybody knows the Loch Ness monster. It's like. It's in the name, you know? They know they're there. So I'm like. I'm like. I'm gonna train you to be able to, like, do math, and. And we're gonna get you out of here. What?

[Trisha Paytas]

Why are you gonna say out of his home? That's giving, like, SeaWorld vibes a little bit.

[Ted Nivison]

No, I'm not gonna. No, it's not gonna be like blackfish. It's not.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's giving.

[Ted Nivison]

It's. No, we're not gonna. Not tricks. Math. I'm gonna. I'm gonna teach the Loch Ness monster how to do math. Math equations. Equations.

[Trisha Paytas]

We don't even calculation ever.

[Moses Hacmon]

When have you used math in your own brain? Not on your phone.

[Trisha Paytas]

Exactly.

[Ted Nivison]

Whenever I'm trying to figure out the percentage of something. You can figure that out pretty quickly with the little.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why would you need a percentage? They tell you on the receipt, what's the tipping amount? Yeah, they sell you 18, 20.

[Ted Nivison]

No, in, like, other situations, like, what percentage of this is this? And then, you know that thing where it's like, 0x out of a hundred, and then you have, like, the amount of things. It's the proportion thing. I'm not speaking.

[Trisha Paytas]

So if we don't need.

[Ted Nivison]

I'm losing you guys. I'm losing you guys big time. What's up?

[Trisha Paytas]

If we don't use math, why does the Loch Ness monster need math? I don't understand your plan.

[Ted Nivison]

I mean, we can. Well, yeah, they don't have a phone. First of all, boom, Right? Thank you, Moses. They don't have a phone. And second of all, second of all, second of all, we don't use. You guys. Don't use math. Sure. But you have the option.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

And so I'm giving Nessie more freedom, and you guys are saying that I shouldn't do that is kind of crazy. But you keep saying that you want to get Nessie in the dark from the wonders of mathematics.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's not gonna learn it. Like, it's just not plausible.

[Ted Nivison]

Should we? Are we. So is. Is Nessie. What are we rocking? They. Them. They. Them. I feel that was crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

You were saying they.

[Ted Nivison]

I love that I was. Well, I was trying to be respectful. Love that I was trying to be respectful while also talking about how I'm gonna train Larkin Spencer to do math. Do math and also be able to be able to Shoot a gun.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Ted Nivison]

Maybe a rifle.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think Scotland doesn't have guns.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, they definitely have guns. But like in like the.

[Moses Hacmon]

I thought there was like no guns over there.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, they've got them in the hunting context, like you know, like where they dress up and they've got like the really high waisted pants and they go in the. Shoot a duck.

[Moses Hacmon]

No idea.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, no, they got hunting like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess you would know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Whoa, Scottish.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You're Scottish.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, but I only know of. I only know what's of it. I only know of the culture. Vaguely. They golf. That's what they do.

[Moses Hacmon]

And wear kilts.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, they wear kilts and they play. Yeah, they play. That crazy bagpipe traders is over in.

[Trisha Paytas]

Scotland know because of traitors coming.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, you know the show.

[Ted Nivison]

This is my worst trait is that there are so many things that I haven't seen and. And I get always for it. I get always for it. There's so many movies I haven't seen, there are so many shows I haven't seen and there's so many musicals now that I just haven't seen.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's just the same way though. But yeah, that's true.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's a lot of stuff I haven't seen either. You could tell me something, I'd be like, don't know.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, but when you're, you know. I'm not thinking about that though. When I'm on the receiving end of having seen something that you've seen, you know, I'm like, I'm like, God, I'm just idiot. I should have seen it. I should have seen. I should have seen.

[Trisha Paytas]

You should, you should know Cat's eye, that's for sure.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, well, no, I know of cat's eye. I just don't know. Gnarly, Gnarly. When did this song come out?

[Moses Hacmon]

So much?

[Ted Nivison]

You're giving me. You give me.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like the Tick Tock song. Literally. They got the Tick Tock.

[Ted Nivison]

Okay, sing it right now. Sing it right now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Now you could describe everything in one single word. You know, like Boba tea. Gnarly. Tesla. Gnarly Fried chicken. Gnarly. Party in the Hollywood Hills. This song. Gnarly. Oh my God, the new beat. Gnarly. Oh my God. Is this real? Everything's.

[Ted Nivison]

Is it just a rap?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, we're going out tonight. Oh my God, this song.

[Ted Nivison]

What does that tune sound like? I can't, I can't identify it. If you don't sing the tune.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hottie, hottie. Like a bag of talkies. I'm this. I'm this. Not, not, not. Gnarly. Not, not, not. I'm the. I'm this. Everything's gnarly.

[Ted Nivison]

Dude, I don't think I've ever heard this song in my entire life.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't. It. They literally won the Tick Tock award.

[Ted Nivison]

They won the Tik Tok.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

I will say, as an outsider cat fan, this maybe was what, not as popular as their other songs?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, this literally is like their most viral. What song do you though? I guess.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, that one. That one. I'm like, I. I couldn't. You're giving me so much gnarly. I'm like, I knew. I gave you an example of a song I did know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Touch is good, but Gnarly is the song.

[Ted Nivison]

I feel like that one's way catchier than whatever you were saying was. Respectfully and sorry.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe if you see the dance. The dance really sells it.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Are we. So we doing that dance?

[Moses Hacmon]

You have a lot of dancers. You gotta do SpongeBob. We gotta do a lot. So we should probably wrap it up. We have. Last time we talked, five hours total. It's already been like two and a half hours.

[Ted Nivison]

Oh, really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Ted Nivison]

God, I'm just such a reaper.

[Trisha Paytas]

You are. No, I love it.

[Ted Nivison]

I'm such a yapper.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do our Patreon if you want.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, we have Patreon. We got to. We have a. We have so much. We have to.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Busy. We're all busy. Busy, too. What's your schedule looking like for the rest of the year?

[Ted Nivison]

My schedule for this year?

[Moses Hacmon]

Three weeks remaining.

[Ted Nivison]

I fly out tomorrow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I feel like we're always getting you. Weren't you just flying out to Australia last?

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Was it in April? That then. Yeah. Oh, wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was April 2024.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, well, I mean, Christmas is in, like, eight days, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

So you're flying to Massachusetts. Oh, that's right.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Yeah. So it was actually really good timing because I had already, I think, booked my ticket and then you said the 17th, and I was like, that's perfect. Yeah, I can go on.

[Moses Hacmon]

We made it happen.

[Ted Nivison]

It's a Trishmas miracle.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was. That was my one manifestation. I think y.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was your Trishma's wish. I told everyone one Trishma's wish and he.

[Trisha Paytas]

My second one was Trisha get cast on the White Lotus. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

All his wishes are for other people.

[Ted Nivison]

Well, that's. I mean, that's. That's so nice.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that is very. But Jimmy, our editor, was just like, you know, I want Everyone to be happy and, you know, good health and, you know, what was it? His boyfriend, Dallas and him to be healthy, happy. And I liked yours, Moses. I didn't understand what his was. Something I didn't understand. My sister. I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she wanted a laptop top.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I liked yours. With Ted Nicholson, the dream came true. You made a Christmas wish come true.

[Ted Nivison]

I'm so happy to have been.

[Moses Hacmon]

You are the best.

[Ted Nivison]

I'm so happy to have made a Trishmas miracle come true. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

And we would love to have you back more than just a year and a half. Maybe we'll.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah, I'd love to come back, see you frequently.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe you guys will have your own podcast right next door. We can build you a set and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Next music video, I will be there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, well, let's not do any promises we can't keep. He's like, okay.

[Ted Nivison]

Yeah. Well, thank you so much for having me on. It was a delight.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're always wonderful. Ted Nefison, everyone. Go see him everywhere. Maybe on tour next year.

[Ted Nivison]

We'll see everywhere.

[Moses Hacmon]

Take it easy. Podcast and have other places and everywhere.

[Ted Nivison]

Everywhere. Ted Nivison. What up? Hey, thanks for having me here. All my teddies out there. Good to see you.

[Trisha Paytas]

You.

[Ted Nivison]

I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, Chad, we'll see you next time. Bye.

[Ted Nivison]

Bye.