Taylor Swift’s OUT OF TOUCH Wedding Backlash? + Trisha Outs the Minions as GAY… | Just Trish Ep. 291

Summary

Just Trish – Episode Summary

Podcast: Just Trish
Episode: July 7, 2026
Hosts: Trisha Paytas, Moses Hacmon (guest/co-conspirator), Michaela Conlin (frequent guest/co-host)

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Episode Overview

This episode is a signature “Just Trish” blend: hot pop culture discourse, hilarious personal anecdotes, and spicy, occasionally controversial takes. Trisha, with Moses and Michaela, dives deep into the explosion of Taylor Swift’s extravagant Madison Square Garden wedding, internet influencer drama, and the ever-evolving trends of social media and celebrity. The tone is breezy, cheeky, and unapologetically honest—the kind of hangout where you feel like you’re catching up with brutally honest friends who have inside tea on every corner of pop culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Summer Mode, Halloween in July, and Quiet LA

• [00:00 - 04:40]
  • Trisha and crew begin with personal and family updates—Summerween decorations (Halloween spirit in July), empty gyms and movie theaters post–Fourth of July, the logistics and nostalgia of childhood summer vacations.
  • Memorable moment: Moses jokes about “packing for a three-week vacation” just for an overnight stay because of kids.
  • Trisha on vacations: Realizes that, growing up, summer “vacation” meant sleeping in boxes at her dad’s office, not jetting off to Hawaii.

    • “Maybe I grew up poorer than I thought because, like, we never took summer vacations.” – Moses [03:15]

2. Zoos, Ethics, and Childhood Trips

• [05:00 - 07:50]
  • Trisha’s annual childhood zoo pilgrimage to San Diego; she avoids naming SeaWorld (“the place”) due to getting targeted with ads.
  • Considers the ethics of zoos/wildlife parks for her kids.

    • “San Diego Zoo is also a great zoo. It's like very ethical. They help with endangered species.” – Trisha [05:59]

  • Moses and Trisha compare camping at animal parks vs. budget hotels.

3. Working Life, Paid Time Off, and Benefits

• [07:53 - 09:42]
  • Navigating corporate vacation days, pay structure, and why so many Americans are stuck in jobs just for healthcare.

    • “One of the issues in America is that health care is so expensive that a lot of people are forced into a job just to have health care.” – Michaela [09:09]

4. Taylor Swift’s “Royal” Wedding

• [10:03 - 26:29]

  • Deep-dive on the spectacle:

    • Trisha covers the “America’s royal wedding” for Entertainment Tonight (E.T.).
    • Security, NDA enforcement, no phones, producer teams staked out at hotels.
    • Leaks: Paparazzi and a worker gave Daily Mail a $600,000 sneak peek at the decor.
    • Estimated $10–20 million spend, 1,000+ guests, “garden at the Garden,” guest list drama.
    • Swifties speculate about insider leaks (Selena Gomez as hope for inside pics).

    • "This is the thing she literally wrote songs begging for… of course she’s gonna want the most over-the-top, like, insane wedding." – Trisha [13:48]

    • "America’s royal wedding in a way." – Trisha [10:56]

  • Wedding Criticism & Populist Backlash:

    • Massive online discourse about the use of Madison Square Garden, shutting down blocks, and the “tastefulness” of a public spectacle wedding.
    • Critics say Taylor’s wealthy but “tacky”; discourse feels less about specifics, more about people wanting to hate on her.
    • Comparison with Dua Lipa’s lavish Italian wedding, which got less hate.

    • “People were mad that she is using Madison Square Garden and then shut down New York… But that happens all the time… movie premieres, film shoots, etc.” – Trisha [18:15]

    • “I feel like a lot of people start at being mad at Taylor Swift and then work their way backwards to find the reason.” – Trisha [18:15]

  • Inside Gossip & Lore:

    • Revelations on Taylor’s old friendships, especially the return of Karlie Kloss and the absence of Blake Lively.
    • Who talked? Why Karlie got invited again; old squad dynamics (Abigail, Karlie, “Swiftie weakest link” jokes).
    • Rumors of a $26 million charity donation as PR preemptive strike.

    • “My big thing was Karlie Kloss—I knew she was gonna be at that damn wedding, but it still gagged me seeing her.” – Trisha [26:16]

    • “You say these names like Zendaya…” – Moses [26:29]

  • Pop Culture Memes:

    • Speculates on whether Taylor will monetize wedding media (“photo book” or “sell the movie to AMC”).

    • “People are like, ‘Oh, capitalist… I hope so, I’ll buy it!’” – Trisha [17:42]

5. Swifties, Backlash, and the Cycle of Discourse

• [35:35 - 37:33, sprinkled throughout]
  • Trisha muses on “era fatigue”—Swift being too ever-present, “Swiftyism” falling out of style, and how backlash defines the times.

    • “Nothing could make you abandon her.” – Moses
      “20 years. No… Sometimes when she does things with Travis… it’s cringe, but I get it.” – Trisha [35:47–36:03]

  • Michaela predicts baby-era will revive Swift’s image later: “Some people love the romance and then… see her as a mom.” [38:18]

6. Influencer Fails: The Grocery Store Rant

• [46:32 - 53:44]
  • Dissects viral outrage over “Catherine”—an influencer who posted herself being grossed out by a basic small-town grocery store during Fourth of July vacation.
    • Trisha and Moses blast the class insensitivity and “uncultured” attitude.

    • “Do anyone want to hear from me about this? Probably not… but I was annoyed and was like, just pissed.” – Moses [46:22]

7. Social Media, Cancel Culture, and Toxic Trends

• [49:50 onward]
  • Chat about TikTok’s amplification of both “queens” and “dumbasses,” arguing TikTok needs moderation for egregious stupidity.
  • Side tangent: rise of “sunburn” AI beauty filters, nostalgia-core trends (colored push-up pops, 90s foods).

8. Extreme Proposals, Risky Stunts, and Engagement Chat

• [74:31 - 87:29]
  • The hosts discuss a daredevil couple climbing the Empire State Building for a proposal (Netflix’s “Skywalkers”).
  • Debate the pros and cons of extravagant engagement gestures, proposals, and whether/when to get married.
  • Reliving their own proposal/engagement stories (sand dunes, near-disasters, stress, logistics, and why Trisha’s not in a hurry to wed: “I’m so focused on just let survive the day”).

9. Whales, Nature, and Ocean Anxieties

• [55:39 - 71:18]
  • Extended, surprisingly scientific digression on whale watching, kayaking dangers, and how whales accidentally swallow boats (“If I survived a whale swallowing, I would never shut up about it.” – Moses [61:30])
  • Ocean fears, sharks, and policies for wild animal excursions.

10. Queer App Drama & AI Catfishing

• [123:43 - 128:55]
  • E.J. Dickson’s expose on the new gay dating app “Goose”: AI-generated hot guy profiles slide into DMs to lure users, sketchy TOS allows for full rights to users’ likeness and voices for AI use.

    • “She Said that Goose has been using a network of AI generated instagay accounts to lure dudes onto the app.” – Trisha [124:09]

11. Rapid-Fire Pop Culture: Celebrity Gossip & TV

• Various points near the end
  • Discusses Ashley Tisdale’s new Netflix "Toxic Moms" project and how celebrity "mom group" drama sometimes gets spun into TV IPs.
  • High School Musical deep dive, Olivia Rodrigo’s career, “Brookie” (brownie-cookie dessert) debates, Ice Spice & Tobey Maguire vape rumors (“sharing a vape = more intimate than people realize!”), and sunburn as a TikTok beauty filter.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Swift’s Intense NDAs & Guest Leaks:
  “The Swifties, at least, were very much like, the weakest link because there was no phones, allowed you to sign the NDA, and then you had to turn in your phone before you went in. Everyone was counting on Selena Marie, who loves to be on that iPhone… Everyone’s like, Selena, get in there and leak some photos.” – Trisha [15:40]

• On the backlash cycle:
  “I feel like a lot of people start at being mad at Taylor Swift and then work their way backwards to find the reason.” – Trisha [18:15]

• Pop Culture Gag of the Week:
  “My big thing was Karlie Kloss—I knew she was gonna be at that damn wedding, but it still gagged me seeing her.” – Trisha [26:16]
  “Carly, don’t be coming around here because you were excommunicated! Now you’re trying to…” – Trisha [27:37]

• Influencing the Influencers:
  “This is why people pee on the tomatoes.” – Moses [50:05] (on why supermarket produce gets mishandled as social punishment)

• Diving into Queer App Scams:
  “She Said that Goose has been using a network of AI generated instagay accounts to lure dudes onto the app.” – Trisha [124:09]

• On Over-the-top Engagements:
  “That’s cute. I guess. I mean, right?” – Moses (on the Empire State proposal stunt) [77:25]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Summer Trips & Childhood Vacation Talk — [00:00–07:50]
• Zoo Ethics & Recommendations — [05:59]
• Corporate Job Benefits & Healthcare — [09:09]
• The Taylor Swift Wedding Deep-Dive — [10:03–26:29]
• Wedding Criticism & Online Backlash — [18:15–23:25]
• The Karlie Kloss Return & Guest List Lore — [26:16]
• Discussion of Summer Influence Fail (Grocery Store Rant) — [46:22–53:44]
• Daredevil Empire State Proposal — [74:31–77:40]
• Kayaking with Whales—Nature Dangers — [55:39–71:07]
• AI Catfishing with Gay Dating App Goose – [124:09–128:55]

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Tone & Vibe

• Language: Casual, irreverent, queer-friendly, and at times campy.
• Format: Freewheeling, highly interactive, lots of overlapping stories and jokes.
• Metacommentary: The hosts often laugh about their own spirals and rabbit holes: “You’re asking the real questions. I feel like no other journalist has brought that up…” (Moses, on celebrity bathroom access at weddings) [33:55]

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Final Thoughts

The July 7th edition of Just Trish is quintessentially chaotic, deeply “inside baseball” when it comes to influencer and celebrity culture, and a must-listen for anyone who loves their pop culture with a side of self-aware shade. The big themes—Taylor Swift’s mega-wedding and the endlessly inventive ways the internet both loves and loathes—keep the group energized, but the side roads (from activism to high school musicals to whale-induced existential terror) are just as entertaining.

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For more, check out the Patreon aftershow, where Trisha promises even more Hot Topics and spicy tea!

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Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm Khaleesi and that's my dragon. I feel like that probably didn't go home.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would have gotten the biggest. I got the biggest dick from that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Imagine if I called you my dragon.

[Moses Hacmon]

How come more people don't talk about that? Like, if I survived a whale swallowing, I would never shut up about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have you released the second book?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, of course. That's my whole life. My movie, my TV show, my podcast. Like, why do I never hear about people surviving whale? That's crazy. Her name is Trish. She's got the dish and all. It's spooky season here. Happy Summerween. It has started. Jimmy has ghosts going around. Oscar Woo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Mike. Where is it?

[Moses Hacmon]

I wanted to get it this morning. Michael's has Halloween stuff and it looks so pretty. There's like sparkly candy, candy corns, Christmas tree. Huh?

[Michaela Conlin]

We are. It is Halloween.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, how did you know that? How'd you know that was where I was going today? Or was it always there? The ghost behind you there today?

[Michaela Conlin]

Because all weekend you've been sending me stuff, like, to go get Halloween decorations. Wow, you love, like. What do you mean? It's not even Halloween yet.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, wow. Wait, thanks for, like, looking because I sent you 5, 000 things. I'm surprised you've seen that.

[Michaela Conlin]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm in Halloween spirit. It is Halloween. It's Summerween. It's here. Fourth of July is gone. What's next? Halloween. That's what it is, according to my kids. Even though we have Aquaman's birthday and Malibu's birthday and Moses birthday before Halloween. But to Malibu, Halloween is next, and that's what we're starting. We're gonna get a Halloween tree this year. We're gonna go full out. It's Elvis's favorite holidays. Dancing fruit. Shout out dancing fruit for making it Halloween theme. Because that is her favorite. She loves the pumpkin. She learned how to count with those pumpkins. The little witch strawberry she's obsessed with. So I don't think that's AI either. I think that's animated, right? The dancing fruit, I think that's before AI. Yeah. So shout out. Go watch dancing fruit. Support that. And not the orange eating orange, although she does love it. But because she watches the orange eating orange, she'll take a sp to Moses and just start eating. And I'm like, oh, well, okay, that's kind of crazy. But anyways, here we are. Happy, happy, happy Tuesday from the justice crew. July is very quiet around here. Have you noticed? Not here, but, like Town.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Moses Hacmon]

Because, like, I go to the gym and it's like nobody. Like, ghost town. I was like, what is it, New Year's? What's happening?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, July 5th? It was empty for me too.

[Moses Hacmon]

But even last week I went and nobody was there. We go to the movies. No one's there. Traffic. There's just no traffic. I went into Encino the other day and it took like 20 minutes. There was like. Like last week. Unless it was just last week. Mine was like, last week. Like, nobody. Actually, Ari had to go down to Anaheim. Took her an hour to get there today. This morning at 8:00 clock on a

[Michaela Conlin]

Monday, 8:00am I think everyone is in Newport Beach.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I don't know. Fourth of July, I guess. Did you?

[Trisha Paytas]

I know, but yeah, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. But so you. Have you. Have you been in traffic?

[Trisha Paytas]

I haven't left that much, to be honest, but I think it's in for la. I think New York too. Usually this week everyone's like, on vacation. At least in my office, everyone's on vacation. So I assume everybody's gone. That's like, the norm. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

All my creatives. I was trying to do a music video this month because I was like, oh, I have time this month to music video. Like, Cedric's in France, Andrew's in Michigan. Like, everyone's just like, gone. And I was like, even Aquaman's birthday party, like, everybody is just gone. I think we have like three people coming because everyone's just, like, taking their summer vacations, which I guess I grew up. Maybe I grew up poorer than I thought because, like, we never took summer vacations. Like, we never took vacations. I was really trying to think about it. I was like, my dad would, like, drive us to California to come visit him and like, sometimes he put us on, like, Southwest or something to come out here. But, like, we got here and we, like, stayed in his office and just like, slept in boxes like, the whole time. So I was like, wait, people go on like, year.

[Michaela Conlin]

Because even that was your summer camp.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was our summer camp. Just being in a box, which was, I mean, at the time kind of fun. But people ask us to like, oh, we guys doing summer vacation.

[Michaela Conlin]

What's the summer plans? Like, that's the question.

[Moses Hacmon]

Summer plan. I know. And then, like, we'll go to, like, the lawyer's office on Friday and they're like, oh, yeah, we already took our Hawaii vacation and now we're going to this vacation. I was like, damn. Well, here. Really affording it, because also, like, Us. I was just like, I don't know, I like I never guess, I don't know the concept I guess of a summer vacation. I've never been pretty.

[Michaela Conlin]

Well, I think if you're in a 9 to 5, you get a certain amount of weeks a year that you can go on vacation.

[Moses Hacmon]

So it's very structured school too, like

[Michaela Conlin]

your school, but like it's very structured.

[Moses Hacmon]

I've had nine to five parents.

[Michaela Conlin]

We have like three under three and for us vacation is not having to pack all the bags and travel everywhere.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, we went somewhere overnight this weekend and just for one night and packing the bags felt like we were packing for a three week vacation. It was just like a lot. It has a lot with like bottles and so yeah, it's a lot. You take vacations as a kid.

[Trisha Paytas]

As a kid our summer trip would be we'd go down to San Diego and see a place where dolphins etc

[Michaela Conlin]

or.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, as a kid we'd always go to San Diego, go to the zoo and then go to the place. Like I have to stop saying the place because I keep getting targeted ads for it. Like the propaganda because I talk about whales too much. So I keep getting targeted ads to go to the place where they keep whales. And I'm making it ode to myself to stop mentioning it. But we would go to that place as a kid.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was your summer vacation. That's kind of fun.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it was always like the end of July, like around my birthday. Yeah, we go there for like three days and we do like the zoo, Wild Animal park and the other place,

[Moses Hacmon]

the Wild Animal park, is that different than the zoo?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's like the San Diego Zoo. They're in the enclosures in the animal park. It's just open and then. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then why you just go run around with the animals.

[Trisha Paytas]

You just see them from afar. But they do have like a little like safari you can go on where you go in and then they drive you around and you could like feed a giraffe or something. You can feed a giraffe a carrot. It's actually really fierce fun.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, which one would you recommend in general for people to go to?

[Trisha Paytas]

I like the Wild Animal park cuz it feels, I don't know, it's just like. It's cool cuz it's open and everyone's kind of like the animals are just running around so it's cool. But San Diego Zoo is also a great zoo. It's like very ethical. They help with like endangered species to like keep them alive.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh okay. This is good to know. Cuz Malu has been wanting to go to a zoo for her birthday and I was like, well, let's see if they're ethical. That's good to know. The wild animal park. Can you sleep over there?

[Michaela Conlin]

Was.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's a hotel in there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not a hotel. They do have like tents that you can sleep in.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think my dad was telling me about that. I think Nick Cannon just went with one of his kids. Family looked very fun.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that was our. We didn't stay in the tent. But you did it.

[Moses Hacmon]

What'd you say?

[Trisha Paytas]

The days in at Hotel Circle.

[Moses Hacmon]

Which one's better? Like which ones?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think the tent is more of like the experience.

[Moses Hacmon]

The elevated. Okay. Days in kind of sounds fun though too. I guess I'm just not used to a. A summer vacation. But yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tea. I. I'm happy for people.

[Moses Hacmon]

Guanum.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's okay. I'm jealous. Yeah, I realized too. I was like my vacation days from my 9 to 5, I usually will use like if like for the RB shoot. I'm like, oh, I have to take a vacation day because. So I usually use it for here when I need like a day off. If we have like an extra shoot or something. Because I was looking at my days off. I have like two. I'm like, okay, well what does that mean to.

[Moses Hacmon]

What does it mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

I have two days accrued, so I can't. I can't go anywhere.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like you can take two days off though.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have two days in the bank.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, what if you take five days off? What are they going to do?

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess I could require. I just have two paid days off. So like I said, they pay you

[Moses Hacmon]

to take your time off.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it's my. I think you get like one day per month basically is how they accrue for us.

[Moses Hacmon]

They. Oh, how many payday. How days off do you get?

[Trisha Paytas]

It depends. Like they just keep accruing. As I. As I work there like every month I have I basically get like one added to my. My bank. My days off bank.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my God. That's kind of cool. Does every job get a paid day off?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think a lot of like corporate jobs do some better than others. Like some just. You just get like automatically get like two weeks or whatever. Ours in comparison to others. I guess not great, but damn. I guess it depends how you look at it. Cuz some jobs get none. So if you get none it's good. But if you get a lot, it's mid.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I think that's cool. I Didn't know you got paid. I thought if you just didn't show up, you don't get paid, but damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I. If I run out of days, though, then I would get unpaid.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, okay. So you can still take time off. You just don't get paid, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it has to get approved. It's a whole. A whole situation. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was going to say, look kind of cool, but also, I guess when you work for yourself, it's like, probably cooler. I don't know.

[Michaela Conlin]

Maybe not.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe not. But I like the idea of pay time off, too. Like, or maternity leave. Like, I like. You get paid maternity leave. If you're working for a corporate job and you get pregnant and have a kid, they pay you for like, six months. They should pay you for longer. But the fact that they pay for, what, three months or something, that's kind of good, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I mean, some places are better than others because it's. Yeah, it's like an optional thing. Benefits are. It's like a spectrum.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. I don't know that much about it. Sounds cool in theory, but. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

In theory, with good benefits, it's great.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because that's why you love your job, right? Benefits?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, love is a strong word. That's a real strong word.

[Michaela Conlin]

I think. I think one of. One of the issues in America is that health care is so expensive that a lot of people are forced into a job just to have health care because otherwise they would not be able to afford.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's some messed up. It is, right? That's crazy. Like, how are you not just making it free? Isn't Canada, like, free health care for everyone? It's literally, like, you literally could just drive up to Canada. So it's like, just translate it down here. We're not even that far removed. It is a weird. It seems odd. But anyways, happy 4th. How was it? Did you celebrate? You watch fireworks?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it was really quiet. I was. I was gonna go to Jake Weber's party, but of course I was. Taylor Swift's wedding really did a number to me. And then Darian was also, like, really tired, too. So I'm like. And Jake Webber's party, I didn't realize, was really early. It was like at 11. Like, that's really early.

[Moses Hacmon]

11:00am 11:00am Love to go to that party.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think if I was prepared, if I didn't have to work the day before, I would have been, like, more adequate.

[Michaela Conlin]

It was a hot day. Probably a pool party.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was definitely a pool party. One Day. I will make it to a Jake Weber swar. I love that he keeps inviting me. Like, I really appreciate that. I always respond to his invitations. I'm like, I'm gonna try to make it, Jake.

[Moses Hacmon]

Never stop.

[Trisha Paytas]

Never stop. That one time. It's gonna hit. I want to go, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

So what did you do on 4th? July 3rd was the Taylor Swift wedding. What did you do on the 4th?

[Trisha Paytas]

I had to work more post Taylor Swift postmortem in the morning. And then, yeah, just, like, more stuff that was coming through.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then I saw nothing. Like, I was. I was on social media this weekend. I, like, there was nothing to report. There's no pictures. There's nothing to report. There's marry them. That's it.

[Michaela Conlin]

There were people going to the wedding, some statements released about.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, you saw, like, paparazzi pictures of people leaving. You're like, okay, is that news?

[Trisha Paytas]

When you work at Entertainment News, baby, that's the news.

[Moses Hacmon]

Was it hot? Was it hot news? Hot off the press.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it was the biggest wedding of the. Of the year for sure. It definitely felt like a America's royal wedding in a way.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, if it was the royal wedding, it would be televised and you would see pictures, like, but there's live streams

[Trisha Paytas]

outside of Madison Square Garden. Like, the Associated Press was live streaming from, like, a helicopter outside Madison Square Garden. Just, like, watching cars go into the.

[Moses Hacmon]

So boring. I saw it and I'm like, this is boring.

[Michaela Conlin]

They had a roof over their heads.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was. Yeah, love it.

[Michaela Conlin]

Even with that, they'll have a helicopter. Like, there's literally nothing to see.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. That's what's so weird. It's like you're just kind of staring at a building. It was funny. I guess I was stressed out covering it from, like, the work perspective because it was a. A lot of unknown. But then once that their itinerary leaked because they had to apply for all the permits and stuff. So once they. Once it was all public record, then the itinerary leaked, then I felt better because I was, okay, it's definitely rehearsal dinner this day. Wedding this day. I at least know what's coming a little bit, so that helped.

[Moses Hacmon]

Where was the rehearsal dinner mask?

[Trisha Paytas]

We're at in same place.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's a big turnaround. Who was cleaning it? Who, like, got it ready for the next day?

[Trisha Paytas]

I imagine their staff of, like, what, 500 garden staff? She actually are.

[Michaela Conlin]

She.

[Trisha Paytas]

Their union staff is a union building. So, yeah, I think to rent Madison Square Garden was a million per day, and they Rented it for three days.

[Moses Hacmon]

So this is not that bad. I think Logan Paul said He spent like $4 million on florals or something for his wedding.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Michaela Conlin]

We'll just wait till.

[Moses Hacmon]

Here.

[Michaela Conlin]

How much they probably spend?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, well, there's no real numbers yet because we haven't seen the inside. But it's like, based off of wedding experts, wedding planning experts. They estimate between 10 to 20 million for the whole shebang.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who was the planner? Mindy Weiss?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I think his name was Eric or something. But he is known for never saying anything about any of his clients because I think.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I've never even heard of him. Yeah, he's real private. I love that. That's real low key. That's good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I was. I was really anx about it. But then once it started happening, like, once guests started, like, leaving the hotels and going in, I kind of. It was fun. It was like a spectacle for me.

[Michaela Conlin]

Were you worried nobody's going to show up or.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was just so worried about, like, how are we going to do this, how we're going to cover it. So all from, like, the work perspective,

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess, but like the editing part,

[Trisha Paytas]

like, what am I even going to post? Like, I just had no idea what I was going to have.

[Moses Hacmon]

What did you post?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, we had three producers for E.T. at least we had three producers go to New York to be boots on the ground. It's so funny. That's why to me, it's so, like, over the top and dramatic. People are real mad at her, but I'm like, I kind of expected.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who are they mad at?

[Trisha Paytas]

Taylor. They think it's like, all too much, like, too much attention, it's tacky, etc. Etc. To me, it's like, kind of funny because the girl who's been writing about songs about getting married since she was 16.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, of course she's gonna have the most, like, over the top, like, insane wedding. Because, like, this is the thing she literally wrote songs begging for. Like, of course she's gonna want it.

[Moses Hacmon]

This is her big moment.

[Trisha Paytas]

Her moment.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I. I expected all the hoopla, but it was funny. We had like three producers go. Like, they were at the different hotels where, like, they knew some of the guests were staying at. So they just waited outside and we're just like, yelling at the guests that come. Weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

Isn't that weird? That's kind of weird. No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Club Chalamet. She was shading Taylor. I was like, girl, I don't know if you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Where do you See her Twitter. Oh, she's tweeting and you follow her?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't even know if I follow her, but she. She'll show up in the FYP. It's kind of like SeaWorld. Like, I talk about it enough.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, no, you said it. You were doing so good. Now it's gonna hear you. Oh, my gosh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So we had people at the hotels getting video, and then, yeah, the paparazzi were kind of everywhere, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

And no one got any of Taylor Travis.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, they. They drove in. Really?

[Michaela Conlin]

The.

[Trisha Paytas]

There was some leaks from this. Like, I guess one of the workers who worked at Madison Square Garden leaked a short video of the inside to the Daily Mail. I think they made. They definitely got fired, but they made at least like, 600, 000 from the.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess it was worth it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Let me go out with a bang. Yeah, this will pay a little more.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

And we only saw a little bit of the inside, where it was just like, a garden on the inside with, like, a lot of florals and trees and stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, that's cute.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I'm excited to see what the hell actually went on in there. I mean, there's a lot of, like, reporting now because it was a thousand people who showed up, and obviously a lot of them are going to talk. And then. So we've learned a little bit about what went on.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who talked?

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone kind of has loose lip.

[Moses Hacmon]

My favorite. I'm surprised.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone, like, the Swifties, at least, were very much like, the weakest link because there was no phones, allowed you to sign the NDA, and then you had to turn in your phone before you went in. Everyone was counting on Selena Marie, who loves to be on that iPhone, and she loves to be posting things. Everyone's like, Selena, get in there and leak some photos. We want to see what the hell is going on.

[Moses Hacmon]

A little name card or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Something Selena. And then my. Did you see outside, like, after they got married, Madison Square Garden posted, like, a billboard that was like, just married, just tnt. People were like, mind you, that was Selena Gomez going into the control room. I'm like, so real, that girl. I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Did she leak anything? No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was she posted on her way to the rehearsal dinner in her, like, car? And everyone knew she's in New York. Everyone knows she's dressed in, like, black tie. We know where she's going. And she's putting on her rare beauty lip gloss. Going somewhere in my rare beauty. I'm like, girl, we know what the hell you're doing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Promoing her own line. Oh, My God, that's so weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Michaela Conlin]

Maybe she went to Michaela's. Michaela Con. Maybe she went. She learned this weekend. She learned how to do it.

[Moses Hacmon]

How to be an empty. Was that happening? Was that this weekend? I don't remember. Wait, so did she post something? Like Benny wasn't there, like when she was here or something? Or is that fake?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, she did post something, which I was with Benny right now, but then there was a video of them getting ready for the rehearsal dinner together. So I think she was just apart from. From Benny for like an hour and

[Moses Hacmon]

then he was there.

[Trisha Paytas]

As far as I can tell. It's hard to know for sure because, like, there's just some paparazzi photos and videos of people coming and going. But it was a thousand plus people and the guest list was obviously nuts, so there's definitely more people that we haven't seen. I don't know if we'll. I think it'll be like a year long venture of finding out who was there and who wasn't there.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was gonna say, is she gonna post anything? You think Taylor will post pictures or anything?

[Trisha Paytas]

She. I was gonna say she has.

[Michaela Conlin]

She's probably gonna make a book.

[Moses Hacmon]

A book?

[Michaela Conlin]

Yeah, I'll release a photo book. A wedding photo book.

[Moses Hacmon]

You said you think so or no, I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'll buy it.

[Michaela Conlin]

Exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone's like, evil capitalist. I'm like, I hope so. I buy it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, and people speculating this.

[Trisha Paytas]

People are like, oh, capitalist. She's probably gonna sell the movie to dis it at amc. I'm like, I hope so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Would you. You go, I guess the swifties would love it. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, I sure damn hope so.

[Michaela Conlin]

But when there's a royal wedding in England, I mean, it's the same thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, get televised.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the. The criticism was crazy because I was covering it and I was like, oh, this is kind of fun. It's like a spectacle. And then I shut my laptop off. And then a couple hours later, I opened like, tick tock. And everyone was so mad. I was like, what is going on?

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, why were they mad?

[Trisha Paytas]

There's. I feel like a lot of people start at being mad at Taylor Swift and then work their way backwards to find the reason, if that makes sense. Like, yes, we're gonna be mad at her and then we're gonna find out why. The big thing I saw was people were mad that she is using Madison Square Garden and then shut down New York for two days or whatever. But I'm like, she rented a public event venue or she is a private. She rented a private event venue and had an event there. Like, that's not the craziest thing to me. And yeah, there was like two blocks that were shut down because of the event. But like that happens all the time. Like in the, in la we have premieres, like movie premieres all the time.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like the Spider man premiere is going to be here in a couple weeks. That's going to shut down like half of Hollywood.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like two days.

[Moses Hacmon]

Some people just mad at her because it's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, people like, how dare she shut down New York. I'm like, it's an event and premieres happen. Film shoots happen. TV shoes happen. When Euphoria filmed like near my apart my old apartment complex in like 2022 or something and it shut down like three of our blocks. I couldn't even park on my own street.

[Moses Hacmon]

We're annoyed by it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, like it happens. But it's like I wasn't irate and like, yeah, screw you, Zendaya. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, pretty irate though. I used to live at a Hollywood in Highland and when those Oscars would happen, I was so picked because they would not let me back to my house. I'd be like. So I get the annoyance, but it's

[Trisha Paytas]

also people in New York who are getting.

[Michaela Conlin]

Yeah, yeah, but you're not mad with, with the city. The city allows. It's whatever the city allows. So you don't go to the person that got the permit. They're allowed to get the permit. It's my decision.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's the way you go to. Because that's who's forward facing. Like, I'm mad at the Oscars because it's Oscars. It's not. I'm not mad. I should be. I know what you're saying. You should be mad at la, but

[Michaela Conlin]

what are you gonna do?

[Moses Hacmon]

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[Trisha Paytas]

I am also, but I also have my Own brain. Like, I don't think she's above criticism. I just think the criticism people brought to a lot of it is like, it's because it's specifically wanting to get mad at her. It's all kind of silly to me.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, I'm not either way, but I. Yeah, Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think she's above criticism. I think we just gotta find the right criticism.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe. I would think people are just kind of maybe sick in general. Over the top spenders.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but people said it's so rich that it should be a nicer wedding. They said, like, having it in Madison Square.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who's saying this?

[Trisha Paytas]

Everybody. All the comments.

[Moses Hacmon]

Discourse. Got it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Everyone was like, she's a rich person, but she has no taste. It's so tacky to have it in the middle of.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God, you're deep in New York.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's the. It's like literally every comment. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. I think, again, there is valid criticism there to have like an over the top wedding. But, like, it's a. The criticism just a little all over the place.

[Michaela Conlin]

Like, let's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Let's rein it in. Let's focus. You know, they're acting like she flew her private jet into the World One Trade Center. I was like, you guys, like, let's like, really reign it in. Let's focus here. Let's narrow it down. And then people are mad that because the leaks, there's like a lot of photos of her and Travis, like, at the entrance. And then a lot of the comments were like, she's so obsessed. She has photos of herself at her wedding.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, what? What was leaked?

[Trisha Paytas]

So they're in the entrance, in the tent where the guest came in. There was photos of her and Travis, like, giant photos of them everywhere. And then people were mad that there were so many photos of. Of the two of them at their wedding. I was like, okay, I haven't seen this.

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't see these pictures.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I. It was like, really blurry leaks. Okay, maybe from Selena.

[Michaela Conlin]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just kidding.

[Moses Hacmon]

But Selena did it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I really want the full fantasy. I want to see what it looked like inside the leak, from the leaks. It looked fierce.

[Moses Hacmon]

The Garden at the Garden.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Garden at the Garden.

[Moses Hacmon]

Would you put pictures of yourself up at your wedding?

[Trisha Paytas]

I fear I have too much dysmorphia. That I would. I would not.

[Moses Hacmon]

You could tune it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I guess. If they were tuned and approved. Probably. Probably. Did you have photos of yourself?

[Moses Hacmon]

Weirdly, no. I mean, not that I'm above putting photos of myself anywhere. But I. No, we didn't. I don't know why. I didn't even cross my mind to do that. But I like that idea. That's not like I need to see these photos. Like, I like it. I like it. Obviously I would do it because I think it's fun, but it's like, what is it kind of just like, welcome to our wedding. This is us. Is that what it looks like?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's kind of what it's giving.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. I like the ice sculptures. Like I went in one. We got too expensive. Nothing. We didn't get anything. Like, I like the ice sculptures that look like the people. I think that's kind of fun. Yeah. I didn't see much of any of this, so I don't know, I thought. I knew it was like a big deal and then I kind of like nothing seemed to happen. I am. But I guess you're deep into it. You saw. Were you seeing this? Where are you at in the Taylor Swift wedding?

[Michaela Conlin]

I. I support her. I'm not a swifty. But no, I mean, did you see, did you see the discourse?

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't see.

[Michaela Conlin]

Yeah. Is it true that they donated like over $20 million for.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they donated $26 million before, I think because they knew they were going to get a lot of hate. Like. Yeah, like let's put it out that we donated 26 million. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Jesus.

[Michaela Conlin]

It sounds to me like they tried to do everything right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela Conlin]

And it is their happiest day and they deserve to have one. And that's all. Like, it sounds like they did everything right. I don't think. It doesn't sound like they went over the top in ways that really like

[Moses Hacmon]

the crisis PR team over here for Taylor Swift.

[Michaela Conlin]

Because I'm not. I was happy for her.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like don't carry the weight either. I guess I concede that point of people just being like we don't, you know. You know, people don't like rich people right now because it's a little hard.

[Trisha Paytas]

I see that. I just think Dua Lipa also had like a multi million dollar wedding like two weeks ago and she like closed the whole town in Italy and like did not get as much hate as Taylor Swift having an event venue.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, so what are the 26 million go to? You said she donated.

[Trisha Paytas]

She picked different charities. There was like. Yeah, it was. And there were a lot in New York. I think about 10 million ish was charities in New York. But then there were some in la, some in Tennessee.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean that's good. Yeah, I didn't hear about that. So that's good. Shout out to that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know that everyone's gonna be throwing their tomatoes at me because I'm in the trenches with this wedding, but you know what? That's okay because I'm standing. I'm standing by my truth.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay?

[Trisha Paytas]

This is my truth. As of right now, I don't think it was that crazy of a thing. Yeah, my big thing was Carly Kloss. I knew she was gonna be at that damn wedding, but it still gagged me seeing her.

[Moses Hacmon]

You say these names like Zendaya.

[Trisha Paytas]

There is so much lore with Carly Clots.

[Moses Hacmon]

TLDR.

[Trisha Paytas]

TLDR. In, like, 2014, Carly Claus and Taylor Swift were, like, inseparable. Like, they were best friends. They did everything together. They were posting photos together. They took a getaway to Big Sur together. And everyone thought that they were dating, that they were watching each other's boxes, that they were a couple, that they were a thing. Then they ended up having a big falling out. God, what year? Maybe, like 20s around reputation. Maybe like 2017. 20. Yeah, maybe 2017. Where it was speculated via Perez Hilton. And then also Taylor's friends liking Perez Hilton tweets about Carly Kloss going behind Taylor's back and giving Scooter Braun, like, secret information about her dealings and about her albums and stuff. And so Taylor felt betrayed. Then they had a big falling out where they just, like, did not interact. So it was like said, you're with this person everywhere, posting together non stops, and all of a sudden never being there again. And then Carly Kloss went to the ERAS tour. But when all the other celebrities got, like, VIP tickets and had to be in a tent, Carly Kloss bought a seat and she was up there on the rafters with everyone else.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, that's nice. She's, like, supporting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, T. But everyone was like, carly, don't be coming around here because you were excommunicated. Now you're trying to.

[Moses Hacmon]

You think they're not on speaking terms, but she just went and bought a ticket on her own accord. And Taylor didn't know?

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of think so, but it was some big romantic gesture or something. And now she got an invitation to the wedding. Like, that's kind of.

[Moses Hacmon]

So they talk if she got invited to the wedding.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know, but that's. That's a gag. Everyone wants to know what happened. Like, how does she get invitation? Jennifer Lawrence has also tried to launch an investigation into figuring out what happened between Carly Claus and Taylor Swift. Because like, what did happen?

[Moses Hacmon]

Was Jennifer Lawrence there?

[Trisha Paytas]

She was. And I'm dying to know what Jennifer Lawrence found out in her investigation because she was literally boots on the ground.

[Moses Hacmon]

Damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then that. So that gagged me because then all the, all of the old friends, like g. Abigail Anderson, who's like Taylor's friend from high school, re followed Carly Kloss. So she. Carly got her way back in with. With the group. And I'm so curious how that happened. Like, what conversation? And then the gag too was no Blake Lively, which I also knew, but the tabit confirmed that. Wow, it's just so crazy to have like a thousand people. The most random people. I'm like, Maya Hawke's dad is there. Ethan Hawke's dad's crazy. I could remember I was typing to my co worker. I was like, do we care about my hawk's dad being there? He's like Ethan Hawke.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is random though. That is like, why was he there? Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Jenny Hawn, who wrote the Summer I Turned Pretty books. I'm like, it's like the most big statement. The most random people are here. I'm like, okay, work. But like the girl that you are best friends with for like a decade and you're a godmother to her.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, did she like leaked all the texts and stuff like that?

[Trisha Paytas]

They had a whole falling out.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's insane. Cuz it was like the biggest, like scandal, I guess. Like, what would you call the lawsuit? The Blake Lively. The biggest I I scandal, I think scandals. And then you bring Taylor into it, who's like pretty private and trying to be unproblematic and you're going to put her in the center of it. T. I'd be pissed. I would be pissed. I'd be doing a whole new album about her.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I think also in that one text to Justin where she called Taylor like her dragon. Like she. I'm Khaleesi and that's my dragon. I feel like that probably didn't go.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, got it. I would have gotten the biggest. I got the biggest take from that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Imagine if I called you my dragon.

[Moses Hacmon]

I hate that so much. And also Taylor's way above Blake Lively. So you're my dragon. Like, what the hell? That's so weird. Why would she. Why would you say that?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, the power dynamic is weird because it's like Taylor's obviously more influential. That's why you're like bringing her into this. Like, you're so weird. But you're calling her like your little pet that's, like, weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I. It's. It's.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't like crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Confirmed.

[Moses Hacmon]

Let's. She should be more the Public enemy than Taylor. God, why are people, like, they're like, oh, she's. I guess she's not as popular, I guess. I don't know. Damn. No, hate. Don't send hate to, like, lightly. But damn, she needs to rethink some things. If you lost your best friend, that is, like, getting unfollowed, basically, because that is, like, the biggest. Like, we're not friends anymore.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. I was kind of embarrassed that I didn't get an invitation, and I. I met her for, like, maybe a cumulative, like, 20 seconds. Well, but I was like, like, well, damn, all these other people are here. Why not me?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oscar Crave said you declined.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I didn't want to sit next to Somber.

[Michaela Conlin]

I love the spin.

[Trisha Paytas]

Thank you to Oscar.

[Moses Hacmon]

And did Somber

[Trisha Paytas]

ending.

[Moses Hacmon]

Damn. It was so close.

[Trisha Paytas]

Benson Boone being there. I'm like, Fergie. I think Benson.

[Moses Hacmon]

Fergie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Benson Boone was doing backflips while Fergie was doing cartwheels.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would go. I'd get a ticket for that. And why Adam Sandler? I didn't even know he was officiating. What's. What's that tie?

[Trisha Paytas]

That was a gag to me too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And who know who said that? Who leaked it?

[Trisha Paytas]

It wasn't leaked. It was in the confirma in the press release.

[Moses Hacmon]

How. How does he tie into them?

[Trisha Paytas]

Travis was in Happy Gilmore too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

But Adam Sandler's daughters love Taylor,

[Michaela Conlin]

so

[Trisha Paytas]

he's been, like, seeing them live with the kids since they were little.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're really well versed. They love Tana Mongeau, and they love Taylor Swift. He kind of gets around because he met Tana at the premiere and he is at Taylor Swift's officiating.

[Trisha Paytas]

Miss me? Nice being a Nepo baby. That'd be so me. That'd be so me.

[Moses Hacmon]

1,000%. Oh, my gosh. I. To have that poll is, like, so cool to be like, oh, yeah, you want to go officiate their wedding? That's so cool. I would, too. I would use all my nepo powers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, 100%. That is the ultimate gag. I. I'm so intrigued by what went down. It's actually best that I didn't, because they would have a problem trying to rein me in, because I'll come up here and spill out everyone's tea. Everyone's tea. Because Camila Cabello went and also Sabrina Carpenter went, and they beefed over Shawn

[Moses Hacmon]

Mendes, Was he there?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, Shawn, as far as we know. But I'm so curious, like, what that dynamic was like, like, there's just so many weird, missed, like, connections I don't see.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or see, like, if there's a thousand people, the chance of you, like, having to run in to each other, you probably don't see because I saw my wedding of the century, which is like so old. I know. No one cares. I know you definitely don't know, but when Liza Minnelli married David Guest in 2002 in New York City, I was so obsessed with it because I loved Michael Jackson at the time. I loved him so much. But Rosie o' Donnell and Donald Trump were at that wedding. And so I'm just like, how the hell does that work? But then I was thinking it was the same kind of thing where there's like, literally, I think they had like 2,000 people at their wedding. And it's like they probably just don't run into each other. And they've always not liked each other. Even before president.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, Rosie. Because she's like og New Yorker. She's been, she's been on Donald Trump for like a long time. She's like, from the beginning saying, he's the worst. So they were both at this wedding. And I was like, oh, that's so much. Maybe it was a thousand, Maybe it wasn't 2,000 people, but I would assume we just don't see each other. Maybe she didn't see Carly Claus, Taylor Swift. You know what I mean? If there's that many people, you're like, also, do you think Taylor uses the same bathroom as everyone else? Oh, or you think they have their own bathroom?

[Trisha Paytas]

Especially Madison Square Garden. There's like a hell of a. Oh, yeah.

[Michaela Conlin]

They probably have like their own green room.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And you think anyone uses her bathroom?

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like, no. That's what I would think. No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Sometimes. And I not on my own accord, but sometimes on music videos will be like, trisha, Trisha only. But it's always like, someone's always in there. It's always like, I can never use it. And you're just like. And I always wonder that with Taylor Swift, I'm like, I wonder if she, like, really had to go pee and someone's like, in there. Like, is that annoying or does she not care? I mean, because I like, okay, the three million dollar wedding is crazy, but I mean, at least have your own bathroom. That's like a perk of being a celebrity. I Suppose is getting your own place.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're asking the real questions. I feel like no one, no other journalist has brought that up because it's

[Moses Hacmon]

just like, you know, I think of the back gala where they all take like selfies in the bathroom and it's like, what if they just see Taylor in the bathroom? I mean, because our wedding. I would use the same bathroom because you had to go upstairs. I'd use the same bathroom as everyone else. Of course. Like, I don't care about it, but it's just like, funny because people want to stop and take your picture with you, even at your own wedding in the bathroom. So I'm like, someone stopping her? Is she peeing?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, sorry, girl. One second.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I think so. That's. I was like, oh, I want to know that dynamic. I can't wait to see the pictures. I'm sure she'll post, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like she must.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because it was like she was not shy about everyone knowing it was happening. Obviously. I think with Madison Square Garden, it was about, like, control. Like controlling all the aspects of, like, what people saw. And I just. I think she will up posting. I. I feel like she knows everyone is invested, either they for a good reason or a bad reason. It is funny because, hey, Tay, hate really is like a bridge that unites both sides in this. Yes. Because there's like, liberal, like leftist being like she's MAGA boots, and then there's like the White House and conservatives dunking on her for being liberal. So it's funny that, like, they. Both sides have like the same hate towards her. So she is kind of uniting people. If you love her or you hate her.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's kind of scary though. If you have like, both sides hating on you, then it's kind of like, oh, yeah, I'm.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm choosing silver lining. Like, there's hope for us that we can all be united.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would say so. These are probably more powerful than any liberal or conservative. Honestly. They're pretty. They're pretty intense.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I feel like we're. We're losing the. The culture war for sure. I think.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think it's. Swiftyism is out. It was in erascore. Like, you were popular if you were swifty. Now it's on the way out, but it's. It's in my DNA. I've been with this girl since 2006, baby.

[Moses Hacmon]

Nothing could make you abandon her.

[Trisha Paytas]

20 years. No, I mean, there's things where I. I just choose to ignore, like sometimes when she does things with Travis like, the New Heights episode with that they did together. And it was kind of cringe because she was, like, just so in love with them, and they give, like, cringe couples.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, why did you ignore that? I think that's kind of cutesy. I like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. It just, like, I get a little secondhand embarrassment. Like, my sister loves boots. But no. Yeah, it's just, oh, I love it. So, like, millennial cringe. But, like, I get it because, like, I'm that way behind closed door. Like, I definitely cringe with Darian. Like, when no one's watching. The problem is I'm watching.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I say a little, yeah, I get couple cringe. That's why I know people think like, I feel like with Moses, I love we're cringy behind closed doors. But yeah, in front of people, I'm always like, I don't know, because you don't want to be too cringe. But we're pretty cringe mad was always like, stop hugging. Stop kissing each other. Stop this. It's so funny. But then she joins in. Sometimes when we do it, when we are in a hug train. Do you remember that millennial cringe couple that's like, sometimes I have a love surge and I just get so crazy. And then the guy. Do you remember? And then the guy, like, wait, what do you want? Come do it. Come do it with me. Do you remember this? You remember this? And this is what we do. And honestly, the love surge is very addictive. Millennials know this because Malibu and Elvis will join in on the love surge. You remember this one from 2020? People hated this couple on Tick Tock. Okay, can you see us, everybody? Okay. All right. So sometimes I just get a love surge, and I'm just so just high on love, and I just surge together. Oh, and we just elevate. Yeah.

[Michaela Conlin]

Well done. You don't need to

[Moses Hacmon]

baby. Was a cute moment. It was like a cute little.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was giving very. Tavis.

[Michaela Conlin]

Tavis, first of all, to our audio listeners. You can actually watch us now, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, we have a video on Spotify.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Shout out. Out to Spotify. And I said, do you want to post about the video on Spotify? I'm like, I guess. I don't know. There's a lot of things to post, but he's really into all that. Like, if there's a new thing, place to post, he's like, oh, let's post there. I was like, okay. I don't know. I don't know anything. That was fun. I love a lot I love millennial cringe. It was cute until it wasn't cute.

[Michaela Conlin]

I was trying to remember what it was. I didn't fully know what I'm supposed to do.

[Moses Hacmon]

You did that. You did it, right?

[Michaela Conlin]

It was fun.

[Moses Hacmon]

Anyways, I love millennial cringe. If there's one thing I do like about Taylor Swift, is that part cringe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Millennial. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I kind of like cringe.

[Michaela Conlin]

She's probably gonna have a revival once babies.

[Trisha Paytas]

True.

[Moses Hacmon]

A revival of what?

[Michaela Conlin]

He said she was on the up and then on the down, and then, like, the audiences change and mature. And some people love, like, you like the romance and then. Yeah, see her as a mom.

[Moses Hacmon]

Babies can go either way because sometimes, like, you have babies and feel like we love it, and sometimes you have babies. Who is it? Is it Sophia Grace? Is that her name from Ellen?

[Trisha Paytas]

People don't like her babies.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I guess she said she has her third. It's like her third. Like, it's gonna be like a three out of three, like us or something. And people. Maybe because she's so young, maybe I don't even know how old she is. I would assume she's young. But yeah, people are, like, upset. Or even like the Mormon wives. Right. Like, the whole thing. If, like, if you get. Oh, who is it? The one we don't like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, Jenna Fleck, Jennifer.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know what I mean? Like, sometimes people don't love when you continue to have babies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or like Rihanna right now, people are always afraid that she's going to be pregnant.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. And people get, like, really pissed about it. So it's really interesting. And yet people like, we're excited for our babies. I don't know. It's very. You don't know which way it could go. At the beginning, they weren't. When I was first pregnant, there was the whole, like, she's gonna be the worst ever. Like, you know, so it goes either way. I think people like the Taylor Swift of it all, I think, like, having babies, I don't know. But then sometimes I'm trying to think. But then sometimes you think, like, oh, the hell babies. And the, like, won't be touring anymore. You know what I mean? I remember when Britney Spears had her babies, I was, like, really young. She was really young. And I remember being like, oh, she's never gonna make music again. So I think you go both ways. I mean, babies are a blessing, I think. I love when everyone has. Even Jennifer. I was like, I was happy for her. People were like, ah, don't have a baby. But it's like, well, they seem.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm more with Jen. I was more bummed by Zach Affleck.

[Moses Hacmon]

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[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, I will be.

[Moses Hacmon]

I might be a bigger fan of Taylor's when she has babies because, you know, then it's like something relatable where it's like, oh, we're both having babies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think definitely she's someone who like everyone is telling to like shrink and do less and she keeps doing more. To me, that's kind of funny. I. Even to me though, I think around football season I'm like, okay, girl, not every game.

[Moses Hacmon]

Damn. Okay, so you have your moments.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I definitely have my moments. Yeah. But I think at some point she's got a really tone it down because it is getting so the backlash is getting crazy. So I think she's gotta like go away a little bit.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think between music, releasing so much music and then also just being very involved with Travis, it's kind of. It's been like a year round thing of her always having something going on where like, you know, actresses like Zendaya's like, after this year, I'm in five things, so you're not gonna see me for a while.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right, Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Margot Robbie after Bar Barbie said like the same thing. So you kind of have to like let people miss you a little bit. So I think she's gotta work on that.

[Moses Hacmon]

She was kind of gone for a little while. I feel, I feel like this past year in my eye, on my radar. She hasn't been up.

[Trisha Paytas]

She released their album in October of last year, so she was doing a bit. Yeah. The first part of the year she was a little bit quieter.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, the Showcraft albums last year that kind of came and went. What were we doing? Why? Because I remember eating those donuts and stuff. But it kind of was like, like we didn't talk about it that much. Or did we? I don't know.

[Michaela Conlin]

I keep talk.

[Trisha Paytas]

We did like an episode. I mean, there's not, there's one, you know, hot topic. Then we keep it moving. What else can we do?

[Moses Hacmon]

Episode. How many Taylor Swift episodes have we done? Probably three. The second one was a Taylor Swift episode. Life of a show girl. This one, this one's Taylor Swift episode. Yeah, I mean, I don't mind it. It's a hot topic.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is. It is the hot topic.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm glad people, you know, it's good. People have passion. It's also good that people care about something. Right. I think that's kind of fun when people just have care about someone so much. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it is. I get a little bit of a kick out of it. I think also because I'm grown. If I was younger, I think I would probably take more offense because I saw one tick Tock. That was, like, from this, like, gay boy who usually, you know, those are my people. But he's like, swiftyism is a disease. Like, if you're swift. Maga. I worked for a guy who was swifty, and he had the worst taste ever. Like, his taste was so bad. So it makes sense that Taylor so attacking us.

[Moses Hacmon]

Terrible.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, not too much. Like, not too much. Like, I think we need to relax a little bit. Like, why am I in it?

[Michaela Conlin]

It?

[Trisha Paytas]

Why am I getting strays?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, you were in it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it was like, yes, yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

They called you out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I'm like, oh, I have no taste. And I was Maga. I'm like, girl, I think we all need to take a breather and, like, let the girls just, like, the music. Like, yeah, not everything has to be so deep, like, relax. But I think if I was younger, I'd be, like, more upset. I'd have the Twitter fingers and I'd be in the comments and, you know, be going back and forth. But these days, I'm like, let me just keep it moving.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm surprised you don't do more individuals Tick tock rants about things like this because you're so passionate about it. I was like, damn, you should have said this all this weekend. People would really. You know, obviously it's still heated, but

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it's so incendiary. And also, it's like, it's just how I'm gonna keep it moving. Like, I know I'm gonna be getting. I'm gonna be you in the meditation. Tick tock live. Like, they're gonna be spending the 5 cents throwing the tomatoes. And you know what? That's okay. That's this, Jimmy.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's it.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's my truth. You know, I'll take the tomatoes. I'll take the last flashing shore. Oh, my favorite thing today was Dave Portnoy interviewed some other football enthusiasts, and they were mad that they didn't get the invitation. I was like, dave, you were talking about her a week ago. What did he say he was going on? I. Oh, he was sick of her being at the. At the Knicks game. He was, like, so mad that she had.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I thought he, like, loved Taylor.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's kind of the gag. And then he was mad he didn't get an invite. I was like, girl, I. I don't think she knows you like that. So.

[Moses Hacmon]

I hate when old men are creepy like that to young girls. Like, it's just, like, it's fine if you, like, love her, but Then it's like said kind of what you say about the love hate. You like, love something so much you, like, begin to hate it when she doesn't give you attention. You know what I mean? And it's kind of like, oh, like creepy.

[Michaela Conlin]

I think he just wants to be included in everything and feel relevant.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of think he thinks he's more relevant than he is. No shade, definitely.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, in his world, he probably is like the big. Yeah, head honcho cheese dog.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I. I don't think the influence goes that deep. No shade with love. I say that, actually.

[Michaela Conlin]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know who's influenced by Dave.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess pizza, Pizza people, even that

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm like, how like, is it that. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Approval doesn't do much for me. But some people get excited when he gives pizza a good review. Not me, but hey, you know, same

[Moses Hacmon]

old pizza doesn't sound good right now. Do you see the lady? And speaking of Dave Porna and Taylor Swift, the girl, the. She's like an influencer, went to Montauk. You know where Montauk is, Catherine?

[Trisha Paytas]

I almost, I have been.

[Moses Hacmon]

I have two tickets in my dress

[Trisha Paytas]

about this and I'm like, let me not post with this. I'm obsessed.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, where do you know her?

[Trisha Paytas]

I have no idea who.

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't either. I love the first last name.

[Trisha Paytas]

When I open Tick Tock and get dropped off in the middle of like, out of touch, influencer controversy, I'm like, oh, this is gold.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, I have two drafts ready to go where I was like, when I was angry and when I was a little more like, let me give advice. But then I'm like, do anyone want to hear from me about this? Probably not. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I just like, let's not do it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. I'm seated for your.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, what is your take?

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, for I guess for context to this influencer Catherine, she was going on what vacation? And her fourth of July order for groceries at Sam's Club got canceled last minute, mind you, mind you, everybody, she placed the order three days in advance and her order got canceled. So she was forced to go to a small rinky dink local grocery store. And it was the craziest thing she's ever done in her life.

[Moses Hacmon]

And was she next to Montauk? Is that where she was going?

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that why she was wearing upstate New York? So I think so.

[Moses Hacmon]

So even that is not middle of Nebraska, you know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

She's from Minnesota.

[Moses Hacmon]

So like rage bait then okay, maybe that's what I was thinking too when I made it. I was like, maybe she's just, like, wanting to rage, bait people. As a troll, a former troll. I was like, she's just wanting attention, and I don't want to give it to her. But I was annoyed and I was like a pissed. Yeah. So she was in the small town

[Trisha Paytas]

grocery store, and the whole time she's filming just her face. So her phone's on her face as she's going into the store. She's like. Like, she walks in and it has one of those things where, like, you know, the wind blows to keep, like, bugs from flying in or whatever. She's got by that. She's got that by the little run. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Look at this small town. It's just so crazy. I was like, she's. She's from Minnesota. Girl, you're from literally nowhere. Like, you are from nowhere. Don't act brand new.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's wild that she's like, where are the cards? Oh, my God. There's no cards in here. The carts are outside. This is a simulation. Like, what?

[Moses Hacmon]

It can't be real. Now that you're saying it, I think she can't be real.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think she was being genuine.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's also just, like, not cute, though, because even if she was, like, trolling as, again, a former troll, it's just, like, not cute. Do you really want to be known as, like, the dumb doesn't know the grocery store looks like. Like, it is so weird to me that all beef, hot dogs, all the sf. I'm just like, you just look dumb. Like, who wants to work with you? Who wants to be your friend? Who wants to date you, who wants to put you in anything because you just look so stupid? And the grocery store was like, actually just a normal grocery store. Like, it wasn't even anything crazy. She's like, the produce looks so gross. And I was like, a produce in a small grocery store is way fresher than a produce app. We love Ralph's, but, like, a Ralph's because it has to, like, cross the country. You're going farm to fresh. You're going. You know, right? No pesticides, no people like peeing on it. I've been there. I've been in a soccer room where someone peed on the vegetable. And it's like, you know, in that small one, they're not doing that because they're not going to do it. Then a small town maybe in, like, New York City or something. But, like, I was so annoyed. I was so Annoyed. And she, like, just. It just made her look dumb. It makes her look ugly on the outside. Like, everything about it made me. It just pissed me off because then people are talking about, like, filler and everything. She's only like 29. Honestly thought she was like, my age. But then people going down the filler. But the only reason people are attacking your awful filler is because you're giving an awful take. You're, like, on a small business. You're, like, pretending like you just don't know what a grocery store is. That, like, I don't know, you're from Minnesota. You're from farmville. You're from nowhere as well. Like, you're like, you're nothing. But acting like this is nothing. That's why people are coming for this girl and like, attacking. Then they start attacking again. I know as like a form, but I. You know what? That's what I'm saying. If it's real, it makes me even more sad because that's. We have actual dumb people in this country. And that makes me sad with influence because she has 1.2 million followers. 1.2 million people like you. Even if half the people like you. It's like, wait, what? And you're influencing all these people to be like. And it's like, weird. It's like just if you're uncultured to say it, like, I just hated the. The whole thing. That whole thing made me ick. And I was like, we really need to take away. We really need to de. Influence. Influencer. I really feel like less people need to be influencers or have, you know,

[Trisha Paytas]

like the Tick Tock opened the floodgates. And yes, we've gotten some iconic Tick Tockers and it's, you know, given us a lot of great influencers, but it's

[Moses Hacmon]

also given us great Tick Tock Influencer.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would say, like, Tick Tock made people like Vanilla May super popular. So we've gotten some queens. We've gotten some comments that got super popular from Tick Tock. Addison, the music slabs. Charlie. Charlie, Come on.

[Michaela Conlin]

D'.

[Trisha Paytas]

Amelio.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, nice girl. I don't know if it's like giving powerful influencer. Thank you, TikTok. You know what I mean? I think we're. We've got more dumb asses from TikTok than we have influences. You know what I mean? Like, TikTok should be able to delete your account if you say something stupid like this. Like, if you're just so educated. Yes, exactly. If you're just. Okay, you can admit TikTok should, like, flag it and be like, I was actually just trolling. You get three trolls, you get three dumb asses. And if you were like, no, I actually firmly believe this, then it's like, you should be deleted from TikTok because you're. You're giving this, like, influence to these people. And it's just like, you just look stupid. You just look dumb. I don't know. It's just. And this is why people pee on the tomatoes. I've been. I had a store once, I peed on the tomatoes and Sherman Oaks. And I was just like. So it's in my head that this happens. And that's why. Because five people like that are like, these produce aren't fresh enough. So, like, I'm gonna pee on your tomato. Yeah. So that's why I'm saying, Ben Sherman Oaks, I worked at a grocery store and they peed on the tomatoes. Well, that person is on tick tock, actually. So it's. Yeah, it's. Anyways. And I. I just. I hate people like this too. I just like, oh, God. The. It just. It actually makes me mad. And I get it, guys. Everyone's like, right message, wrong messenger. Okay, got it. But like, it just looks so. You just look stupid. And you do end the film. This is a side note, but honestly, filler does make you look so much older. Look at me back, Jimmy. Insert a picture of my balloon lips. Just type in his botched lips on Google as I was 2027 and I looked like. I looked like a rigor mortem duck. You know what I mean? Like when you get puffy and insulted and use your body. That's what I look like, is it? Rigor mortem, as I say, right? You said postmortem. I don't know, Rigamortom. And I get puffy and I like, that's what I look like. And I mean, I do think the ugly comes from the inside sometimes because I'll tell you why. Also because I was like, trisha, how to glow up? And it's like, no, I just became like a better person. I just stopped saying stupid and stop being ignorant to the world around me and just, like, start getting educated and not, like, posting stupid. Because also, it's like, worth it. Is it worth this? Is what? Because I think she did a follow up. Sorry to this girl, by the way. I mean, you're probably nice, but if you're trolling, stop it. If you're not educated, get off Tick tock. I guess I don't Know, like, I don't know what's happening. Educate yourself, learn. I'm not sure. But then she did a follow up, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I saw her statement in the comments. She replied to someone, she's like, oh, my God, you guys. Like, I was not grossed out because of the grocery store. I was grossed out because there were so many people around and it was so busy. Mind you, the videos, like, she doesn't show that it's crowded at all. She just shows herself being grossed out at the selection. And also, mind you, it's July 3rd ahead of 4th of July weekend, and yeah, it's gonna be picked over because everyone came into town.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, she did. She actually did a video too. She did the comment, but she did a video too. Being like that, she goes, actually, I was just annoyed that there was. There was like, nothing. The selection wasn't. That's all what you said in the video.

[Trisha Paytas]

We all saw.

[Moses Hacmon]

We all saw. And who is going July 4th shopping on July 3rd? Like, what? Like, anyways, I mean, I was gonna say she's young, but she's not 29. You should know. You should know. You should have some basic life skills. Knowing July 4th is coming. If it's Thanksgiving, you're not getting the turkey the day before. And if you are, you're gonna be stuck with the last of it, the last of the pickings. And it just actually annoyed me. And I was like, this is one that I was, like, rightfully so. I'm glad Tick Tock was, like, doing its thing because I feel like people had some pretty. Be just valid, you know, like, you're. You know, when enough people tell you, like, you're. You're dumb.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

You, like, learn, hopefully.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. She's also a little too patriotic. If you catch my drip using a kid rock song. I see where this is going.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I see where this is going.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

A little too Yankee Doodle Dandy for my taste, but yeah, I suppose.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Sound like the worst Fourth of July, but Montauk, I think, is where de Pornoy is, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, is that the connection I see?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe she went out on the kayak or whatever with him. What does he. He does that thing where he talks in the ocean, Right? He, like, goes out in the middle of the sea in the kayak.

[Michaela Conlin]

Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he, like, talks. He gives it. That's his thing. No, you definitely have seen it. You know, he goes out there, he rolls.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I've never.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was filming him kayaking, like, when he Was talking about Alex Earl versus Alex Cooper. He goes out there in the boat.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think he was on a boat.

[Trisha Paytas]

Am I crazy?

[Michaela Conlin]

I always see him sunburned on a beach, but I haven't seen him in a kayak.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought he kayaks out there.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's kind of everything. If he's doing that, that's kind of

[Trisha Paytas]

something goes down the ocean, films his hot takes or takes just in the middle of an ocean, I think, or a lake. I have no idea the geography or what he's up to.

[Moses Hacmon]

I just, I see clips.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, okay, Dave Port and white. What the hell? Sure. You know what?

[Moses Hacmon]

If him and Montauk girl were together,

[Trisha Paytas]

they give me similar vibes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I fear they would be friends.

[Trisha Paytas]

They would give similar energy out, similar interest. Let's say that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who's playing Kid Rock in 2026 as a 29 year old?

[Trisha Paytas]

Captain Nabs and Donald Trump. Even though streams alive, he loves Kid Rock too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, Erica Kirk for.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, but was Erica Kirk at the Taylor Swift wedding? No. Did you see that mom? Did you see?

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, I fear the way information spreads in this age is nuts. I'm like, Terry is thinking they had to buy tickets. I'm like, I'm like people like, come on.

[Moses Hacmon]

So she was not, she was not there. Damn. I thought everybody was there. So I was like, well, could you imagine that be crazy. Blake Lively doesn't get the mic, but Erica Kirk does.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

That would have been wild. Well, crazy weekend for New York I guess. Did you watch any fireworks?

[Trisha Paytas]

I heard we fell asleep really early.

[Moses Hacmon]

What time?

[Trisha Paytas]

Eight, like 8:40.

[Moses Hacmon]

Everyone did fall asleep at 8:42. We were out and everybody fell asleep. So it was really just me and Moses awake watching the fireworks. Everybody else was like falling asleep. Actually Malibu watched it too, but everyone else. It was our first time ever watching fourth of July fireworks. We watched fireworks at our wedding, but it was the first time watching fourth of July fireworks ever. I wasn't that exciting. I was kind of like not that exciting and a lot of people for nothing. It was like 20 minute show.

[Michaela Conlin]

But there's another big event on the weekend. You remember I brought up this woman called Kelsey. It's Euro Kelsey. And she started her journey from California to Hawaii and she, I think same day of the wedding reached Hawaii and she broke all the records. She did it in 44 days.

[Moses Hacmon]

Damn.

[Michaela Conlin]

Which was faster. 10 days faster than the. She was going for the, the female record. Then she broke the male record too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Michaela Conlin]

So she got there in 44 days, 10 days.

[Moses Hacmon]

She got overshadowed by the Taylor Swift.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just delayed it a little bit.

[Michaela Conlin]

She was just growing. She didn't know what was going on. But yeah, she broke all the records for solo female crossing in a kayak, basically.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is great. She went through a lot.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know her. Yeah, you were following it.

[Michaela Conlin]

We talked four times every day on. I mean every day on Tick Tock. You just.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe she ran into Dave Portnoy in his kayak.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think she said wrong ocean, but yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, is it. What, what is he in? Which one is she in? I don't even know.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's in the Pacific. I'm assuming he's in the Atlantic.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would think.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was thinking. Oh. Because where was she going from LA to. Where?

[Trisha Paytas]

Hawaii.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's a long.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's long.

[Michaela Conlin]

Monterey. Yep.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's where you go. Monterey to Washtawas.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Yeah, I see the. Oh, yeah. Maybe she's lost some orcas. That'd be fair.

[Michaela Conlin]

Definitely saw dolphins. And there was one bird that kept her company for a little while.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sweet kind of stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

Whales are so big. I remember kayaking one time in Hawaii and they're just like, they're huge. Like they can knock your little kayak over. And I just remember being in the middle ocean, being like, why the hell are we out here? Like, they're so big and you can swallow you.

[Michaela Conlin]

I mean, if you're.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's what I'm saying. And this like excursion was to see the whales. So I don't know if they put something in the water to make all the whales come to you.

[Michaela Conlin]

What?

[Moses Hacmon]

Because all the whales are coming to you. So it's like. What do you mean? Like, I don't want this many whales. I thought we were going to see one humpback or something. And then all of a sudden they're all swarming your boats and I'm like, did they put fish food in here? Like, what the. Like, it's so. It was so scary. Never have you done that in the middle of the ocean kayak. It's terrifying.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it's their migration. Like winter in Hawaii is when all the whale. Which one? Humpback, right? Yeah, the humpback, yeah. Humpback whales, I believe, come out to Hawaii so you can. Like they're just everywhere.

[Moses Hacmon]

No way. Really? It was. Yeah. Because we went in January because it's cheaper to go and it was so many whales.

[Trisha Paytas]

January, February is when they migrate.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was Hawaii.

[Moses Hacmon]

The scariest thing. And because they like Rock, obviously they're rocking the waves and you're like, what? What if I just fell into this water with a whale? Like that was actually so scary. Actually the ocean is kind of scary

[Trisha Paytas]

when you think about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

100 there's just so. There's a whole world on there that you don't know and it's scary.

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw tick tock of this like expedition that you can do in, in Hawaii too where it's like free diving with sharks and like cageless diving, whatever, which obviously exists, but it's like they specifically go to look at tiger sharks. And it's also specifically people who are like novice swimmers.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I was like, that looks horrifying because literally it's just like old like, you know, just people who are not like swimming every day. Like not the most active people trying to swim with like a shark in there. I was like, hell no.

[Moses Hacmon]

Did you do trading or anything? No.

[Trisha Paytas]

They just take you there and I'm like, that seems a little nuts.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Like how are they holding their breath? How are they.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think they're all holding on to like this rope.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, no. I know immediately now.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love the ocean from above it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, no, same. Even, even the place we're not naming, but the place where they have whales in captivity. Like, even those excursions. Did you ever do that where you could like hug a beluga whale? Like that to me was scary. Like all of a sudden they're just are like, they do something again. This one they do do something where I do and then like the whale comes up and you're just like hugging it for the picture and you're just like, what the hell? This beluga could drag me under. Like why are we doing this? Going on a fin like this. Dolphins like get the off me. I did one in Cabo. I'm not endorsing any of this now. Obviously I think it's awful. But one in Cabo where the dolphin like it's like a big pool and it like drags you to the bottom of this like 14 foot pool. Like it's so deep. And I was like, what if your hair extension gets caught? What if you're like what are we doing? Why are we doing this? Like for a 30 second ride with a dolphin. Like, it's just so messed up. The captivity is crazy. I mean they're beautiful animals. But admire them in like a poster or something. Do you have a poster of a whale in your house? I feel like you would an art print. Do you? I didn't See it in the tour, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I have a. An art print of orcas.

[Moses Hacmon]

Very Michaela Via with her horse. She has a giant horse.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have a lot of horse artwork too.

[Moses Hacmon]

I missed all this. You have to do an art tour. An art. An art gallery tour. I didn't see all this one. Oh my gosh, I love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, that is sending me. But yeah, I would be too scared. That's why I kind of think you're braver than me, because I would be too scared to kayak out there during whale migration.

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't know it was whale migration. They're like, oh, you'll go see like a whale or something. I was like, all right.

[Trisha Paytas]

They got real close.

[Moses Hacmon]

They get really close and they could knock your boat over. I wonder how many times they've knocked a boat over. I'm sure they have.

[Trisha Paytas]

They've accidentally swallowed boats a few times for sure.

[Moses Hacmon]

With people in it.

[Trisha Paytas]

And they get spit out.

[Michaela Conlin]

They'll spit you out, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela Conlin]

Cuz they're not coming for you. They're going up, you know, and they get all the plankton, but they go up and then sometimes they don't see who's up there.

[Moses Hacmon]

How come more people? People don't talk about that. Like, if I survived a whale swallowing, I would never shut up about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Released the second book.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's my whole life. My movie, my TV show, my podcast. Like, why do I never hear about people surviving, Will? That's crazy. Do people talk about what it's like inside of it? Like, do they think they were dead? Do they have no air for a second?

[Michaela Conlin]

Like, I mean, there's stories all the way from the Bible.

[Moses Hacmon]

Are you suffocating? Like, what do you know? You would know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Recently, last year, and I think it was. Was somewhere off of South America, someone got swallowed by a whale and spit out. But.

[Moses Hacmon]

And what did they say about it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Just that. Nothing crazy. They said they were swallowed and spit out. But you're right. Like, that's insane. Does it feel like drowning or something? Short, like, I don't know. What is that?

[Moses Hacmon]

Is it warm? Is it like, do you think, oh, this is it? Or like, okay, they're gonna put me out soon?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, the throats are. You're just in the mouth. The throats are really small, like, narrow for a whale. You would think it'd be a bigger way, a bigger throat, but it's really just like your arm is the throat.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So you have to like, slide down. Has anyone actually been successfully Eaten by a whale. Have they been swallowed?

[Michaela Conlin]

No, unsuccessfully.

[Moses Hacmon]

So it's kind of like choking, like for a baby to kind of like throw it up. They're like, I can't get this down. I'm gonna just look at it. Oh my God, that's so wild.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, and they eat like, you know, krill and plankton and stuff, so the things that they eat are really small, so they don't really need a big old throat like that, but wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

But to be inside of a mouth of a whale is kind of crazy, right? Wow. No, I'll never do that again. Especially if I know that they accidentally swallow boats. That's actually even more scary. I thought, well, they know they whatever. But no, there are a lot of

[Trisha Paytas]

people out with you guys.

[Moses Hacmon]

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[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I. I think my mom and sister tried to, and they got, like, knocked over by the waves. But when we went, it didn't get harsh till we, like, got out there. Like, we were able to get on the boat successfully. And then when we got out there and it was just, like, literally us and, like, the instructor and, like, two other couples, it was so scary. And. Oh, but that was the other thing, too. We kind of got, like, left behind. Like, we were so far from the rest of the group that we didn't even know where we were going, because they, like, just go ahead of you. They were so fast. And I was, like, not a kayaker at the time. Not that I think I'd be a kayaker now. I was really out of shape. I was really not exercising. I really was like, maybe now I can do a little kayak, maybe. But back then, I. I had to rely on someone to just do it all. And that person also was not fit. Everybody was just a mess in this, and we could not move. And I was just like, how are we gonna get. And I think a part of the excursion, maybe when you got closer to shore, is you, like, jump out and you were supposed to go see the sea turtles, but we were so far behind that we'd, like, missed that part. So, like, by the time we got dragged back in, which we did have to get dragged back in, they had to bring another kayak to get. Get us in. I think we had missed that excursion because, like, now you go see the sea turtles. And I was like, well, we missed that part. We're too busy getting stuck with the whales. And it was scary. Specifically. That's what it was now that I'm thinking about it, specifically, because we couldn't move the kayak. We did not know how to maneuver. We were, like, stuck. And it is, like, very scary. Whales circling, like, literally, like a shark attack. Like, it was so. It was. It was, like, probably more terrifying than I remember. I think I have, like, PTSD where I maybe blocked out a little bit because I was, like, trying to think of it. It was like the day before we were leaving. Yeah, it was. It was awful. And then I wanted to, like, relive it. I was like, let's go out and do it. And then. Good thing we didn't. I guess it was a sign.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is wild, because even when I went whale watching a Monterey, and it was. It was a Boat. It was like a small boat. And like the first whales that we saw we got in the middle of like a feeding frenzy where there was just like a whole. The ocean was like surrounded by like krill and plankton and stuff. So there was a lot of seals and sea lions eating. The birds were there. And then the. The humpback rocks and they're humongous and there's so many of them and there's like. There's. So we're like in the middle of all the food. So I'm like what the concept of this whale just like accidentally landing on her. Oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

So they were sprinkling the water for years. It's natural.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like we're in the. Like they drove us into the middle where all the krill were.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why the all in one spot?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's. It's because there's so much food there. They go where the food is. So if all the krill just like gets with the waves. Gets and the current brought into one place.

[Moses Hacmon]

So why don't the curls spread out?

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean it's like you know, tiny little things that.

[Moses Hacmon]

What is a curl? A shrimp?

[Michaela Conlin]

I guess so kind of. But it's really small.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's tiny.

[Michaela Conlin]

I don't think they even know whales exist.

[Moses Hacmon]

They have no brains.

[Michaela Conlin]

No. It's just whaley. So brains. Your next video.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do they? Cuz someone said shrimp don't have brains. That they're like little bottom feeders. Like little bugs. That they don't have it. Right.

[Michaela Conlin]

Bottom feeder. But doesn't mean they don't have a brain.

[Trisha Paytas]

Actually that's a great question.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do crust. Maybe not. You said they don't even know what's happening. Which is of kind. Kind of.

[Michaela Conlin]

No, I think I'm saying that in the sense of size. Like whales are so big that I don't think they can perceive them.

[Trisha Paytas]

They do have brains. Convers.

[Moses Hacmon]

How big is that brain? That has to be the tiniest brain ever. I'd imagine.

[Michaela Conlin]

Pretty small.

[Moses Hacmon]

So they probably don't know what's happening.

[Michaela Conlin]

But have you ever seen how the whales hunt? How they.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It was there. They were hunting me. I was in the middle of it.

[Michaela Conlin]

When they do the bubbles when they go oh no. So they'll. They'll make bubbles in a circle. So then all the fish. Fish gets kind of closed in that wall of bubbles. Then all of them come up at once and eat the fish.

[Moses Hacmon]

You saw that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And the waves were so big. It was really rocking. I remember like looking like just ahead of me and the Way the wave was like above the boat. Just like with how the water was moving. I was like this is a little terrifying but I was determined to see those damn orcas. If I didn't see the orcas and went through that, I would have been pissed because I was quite scary. But yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Are you eating on the boat?

[Trisha Paytas]

They had chips. Oh and like snacks and stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

But you eat before, after?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think after. Before I got really seasick once in Hawaii when we had a dinner cruise. Like very well. Yeah, kind of. Right. Season one, like we just like went on a boat and it went around like the harbor or whatever and we ate food and I got so seasick.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I didn't eat before I had to take Dramamine. I went in very prepared cuz I was like this is an eight hour excursion in the middle of the freaking Pacific. I better, you know, lock.

[Moses Hacmon]

Eight hours.

[Trisha Paytas]

Eight hours.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is there beds? What if you get tired? Eight hours of just watching anything. I couldn't watch a movie for eight hours. That's a lot. You're just watching whales just sitting there sitting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not even whales like. Cuz I. I would say it's like seven hours of nothing and then like one hour of like sea life.

[Moses Hacmon]

You liked it? You would do it again?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I would do it again. Just I loved seeing the orcas because that's like the only ethical way to see them really, you know.

[Moses Hacmon]

So why don't you go to cruise like Antarctica or something?

[Trisha Paytas]

Tea? Yeah, there are like. I get a lot of whale watching tick tocks where people go just in Antarctica just to see.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would love to do an in our. Maybe my Jojo Siwa cruise will be Antarctica. We'll take off from where? Alaska. Where do Monterey. How long will it take to get Alaska for Antarctica from Monterey?

[Michaela Conlin]

Oh,

[Trisha Paytas]

Alaska.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well I guess Alaska. I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess you would. I feel like you would have to leave from like Seattle or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Elwoods. Did you watch it?

[Trisha Paytas]

No. L. I did not watch it. I did throw it out as a suggestion for Darian and I to watch. It takes three to five weeks via boat to Alaska.

[Moses Hacmon]

Get her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Antarctica. Oh, Antarctica.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right. Wait. Right, wait. Three to five weeks to get to Alaska?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, via boat. Oh, I don't even know. Antarctica would be a whole. It's a 8,500nautical miles.

[Moses Hacmon]

What's that mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

30. It could take up to 45 days.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well how are people doing Antarctica cruises then?

[Trisha Paytas]

Where are they taking out? What? Yeah, I don't know where they're.

[Moses Hacmon]

We have to like fly up there

[Michaela Conlin]

and just usually fly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Some flies a little cruise around.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would do it. I love it. I like the idea of, like, seeing the penguins in their natural habitat. I love a penguin, too. Whales.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just not kayaking with them.

[Moses Hacmon]

No. Yeah. From a sea, from afar. I think that's the way to do anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

Icebergs, question mark. Aren't there too many icebergs, I would think. I'm not even trying to be silly,

[Moses Hacmon]

but, I mean, they have boats.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true.

[Moses Hacmon]

Women and children first. So I guess I'm good. You guys. Good luck. That is interesting. Yeah. I wonder. I wonder what they do by icebergs now. Because I guess you see it now. Back then, they didn't have lights.

[Trisha Paytas]

Better radar or something, I would think. Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

Technology, I guess, to let you know. To be like, hey, that'd be crazy if that happened again, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like twice on the Just Trish cruise.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God. Now we can't go. It's been cursed. Oh, my God. That would be horrible. When you play Titanic, that's actually crazy. And people make jokes about it and you're just like, guys. Like, so many people died, like, froze to death in an ocean. Everyone's like, I saw someone over 4th of July and they were like, met. Look, I've done it too. It's whatever. But they literally just like, recreated the Titanic where people were just, like, floating on their floaties in the lake. And the girl was, like, on the boat and she was, like, letting someone go off her paddle board. But then all the family. It was like kids and stuff, too. Like, we're just, like, floating in the ocean and. And I was like, this is weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe it's because you were an extra in that movie.

[Moses Hacmon]

They were trying to recreate it. I was an extra. How do you remember?

[Trisha Paytas]

How could I find me?

[Moses Hacmon]

And James Cameron, he directed me. I remember so specifically, there was little kids in there. And I was like, oh, I could have been one of those little kids. For sure. I was around the age. Did they do a Titanic too?

[Trisha Paytas]

Was there?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. What's a she by? I think there was. Is. I don't know what it's about.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you're right. A hundred years later, lightning strikes twice.

[Moses Hacmon]

Damn. What year is it supposed to be? 19.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is the horror version released in August 7, 2010. Released to critically negative response. Okay, I feel it looks like one of those direct to dvd.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who's in it, girl?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it could have been you, Shane Van Dyke. Marie Westbrook. No name, no one I recognize.

[Moses Hacmon]

Trash. Everyone go watch Titanic too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, another Risky thing. People risking their lives. The daredevil couple who climbed the Empire State.

[Moses Hacmon]

That happened right when we broke last night. I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was so mad. We missed out. That was the damn crazy thing.

[Michaela Conlin]

I was gonna say something, but last time. Yeah, because it happened as we were filming.

[Trisha Paytas]

See something, say something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. That's like, literally the biggest breaking news that happened last week.

[Michaela Conlin]

Lined up to the top up. But it wasn't.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, that's crazy, because no one knew who they were at first. And I was like, how did they get up there? Who's climbing to the Empire? Because that's the tallest point in the. That's the tallest building in the world. Empire State building. No, the world. I thought. Because they climbed the second tallest building, so I thought this was, like, the number one. So they're. Okay. So what. What did they do? They didn't even achieve anything then I thought it was, like, the tallest, and they did it.

[Michaela Conlin]

No, it's not the tallest.

[Moses Hacmon]

They did the second tallest building. So this is a downgrade for them.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's the sixth tallest in the US and the fourth tallest in nyc, so it is kind of a downgrade.

[Michaela Conlin]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Why do they. What's up? Okay.

[Michaela Conlin]

And what was the point? Symbolic building.

[Moses Hacmon]

What was their flag? What did they. What were they promoting? Are activating. What was their thing?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, let me see.

[Moses Hacmon]

I thought Roe changed it to being like, GLP ones are not easy hacks or something. And I was like, oh, I love that. I love everyone just, like, photoshopping.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I did become, like, a meme that was kind of fear. Yeah, I forgot what it said. When the power of love beats the love of power, the world knows peace. That is a beautiful message.

[Moses Hacmon]

I wonder why they do power of

[Trisha Paytas]

love when the power of love beats the love of power. Actually, they ate with that.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's the love of power. And what's the last part?

[Trisha Paytas]

The world knows peace.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. So no one should desire power, but just love.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just love. Yeah. Love people, not power.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that. Yeah, It's a good message. Why did they do Just a Proposal? Were they filming something? Because they were on a TV show, right? They were on the Netflix show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. They're in Netflix's Skywalker's A Love Story. So they've. They be doing this, I guess. Fears. I mean, love can make you do many crazy things. It would never make me want to climb an Empire State building or any building, to be frank. I wouldn't even climb a house to get to the roof.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, absolutely that part. Like, why are People climbing anything. She did it with acrylics. He had the ring in his pocket. Like, how do they do all that?

[Trisha Paytas]

People think about the acrylics, Right?

[Michaela Conlin]

We climbed dune of, but we weren't

[Moses Hacmon]

climbing with our hands and feet, pretty much, I guess. Was it just for the proposal? Was it just to have something crazy? Did they get arrested?

[Michaela Conlin]

I mean, if the show is love story, then this is the climax of that love story. There were definitely professional shots of the whole thing, drone and whatnot. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

They did have to appear in court on July 2 after climbing the Empire State Building.

[Moses Hacmon]

How did they get a court date so quickly?

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess it's so high profile.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Up it says, prosecutors allege that Ivan Beercus, the guy told police he made the climb because he wanted to do something special for the engagement.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's cute. I guess. I mean, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

The guy I know let him out.

[Moses Hacmon]

They let him go.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think they probably will still face some kind of charge or something because, I mean, I think it's a. You don't want to set the precedent that anyone can go ahead and climb the Empire State Building, you know, scot free.

[Moses Hacmon]

But what is the crime? Do you know what I mean?

[Michaela Conlin]

Like, what are they being charged?

[Trisha Paytas]

What is the charge, Char?

[Michaela Conlin]

They charge him with a long. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, give me the highlights.

[Trisha Paytas]

The tldr, some of it. The criminal complaints alleges that officers found a broken lock on a security door. So breaking and entering, basically misdemeanor.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I mean, that's not bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Access to the 102nd floor observation deck requires a key card. So did they steal a key card? So, yeah, there's a lot that Petty crimes.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's not like it's anything. It's not like a felony, especially in New York.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm sure, you know, there's some bigger crimes going on.

[Michaela Conlin]

Yeah, but can you imagine that? Because I know, you know, when you plan a proposal.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Michaela Conlin]

Can you imagine you're telling her, hey, let's do this. And in the morning it's like, you know what? I don't feel like it. Like, you know, you should really go up and climb that building. You don't think she, by the way, put some makeup on. You know, you wanna. You wanna look good for this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela Conlin]

You wanna have your nails done.

[Moses Hacmon]

She probably know.

[Michaela Conlin]

I don't want to ruin the illusion, but she probably. Yeah, I mean, it was fully planned.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I think it's like.

[Michaela Conlin]

But maybe. I mean, maybe not. From the video, she's kind of look surprised for a second.

[Moses Hacmon]

I just Feel like they can let them go. There's no example to be set.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who the hell wants to do this? You know what I mean? Like, who's like, I'm gonna go do that next? It's like, you want to die? Like, unless these are professional people doing it, I don't think anyone's, like, motivated to go do this. Right.

[Michaela Conlin]

Look how they reacted to the proposal in Disney.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, right there.

[Michaela Conlin]

Guy almost, like, body slammed them down to the floor. So.

[Moses Hacmon]

So don't violate Disney or the Empire State or the sand dunes, because that was where we got in trouble. I guess the whole point is just do the minimum for your proposal, because doing these grand ones, we got in trouble almost. They're getting in trouble. The Disney person. What is your proposal?

[Trisha Paytas]

When?

[Moses Hacmon]

What?

[Michaela Conlin]

What?

[Moses Hacmon]

When? If you want to tell us.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know either. Well, when I. Last time we were in Hawaii. Last. Yeah, last year in the fall all. When we went on the helicopter tour, the tour guide was telling us, oh, like, after this, we have a private one where

[Michaela Conlin]

the.

[Trisha Paytas]

The. I guess the boyfriend, like, planned it with him. Like, where they're gonna. Which mountain they're gonna stop at. And then he was gonna help them do the proposal. That sounded sweet. Well, it's not in the helicopter. You take the helicopter.

[Moses Hacmon]

Are you not scared of helicopters? I feel like there's a big phobia around helicopters now. I mean, I've always been a little scared of helicopters. Not going to lie. No fear. I mean, you shouldn't be. I don't want to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I didn't really think about it that much until now that you're staying in. I'm like, there are a lot of helicopter incidences.

[Moses Hacmon]

I always see, like, Mike Mac's like, never take a helicopter. Like, everyone's just like, never take a helicopter. But, I mean, people are still taking helicopters, so. Michaela loves a helicopter. She's always in. She does. She's always in New York taking helicopter with Cody and Zach. Someone said she took the exact same helicopter flight with Zack after she did with Cody, because both of them never saw Scene New York. So, like, we're gonna take a helicopter, go see New York. But I've always been a little scared of helicopters. And then obviously, like, yeah, there's a lot of sad incidents.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we did the helicopter tour. I can't remember if I was really that scared or not. I don't think I was that scared. I mean, that's the only time I've

[Moses Hacmon]

been in one, because mine is not even, like, what could Happen. It's more of like the height to me. It's like falling over or like, I don't know, like falling out of it. I don't know. Something just.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. I wouldn't do the open. The open air ones because like that was an option where it's like, it's no doors that, you know, you just open or whatever. And that really scares me.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Okay, so you're closed in.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was the closed one. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I also don't like, I went on one helicopter. I don't like that they weigh you and like. Yes, because like, what do you mean? This could like go down if we're too heavy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Darian was in the skinny row and then I was in the big boy row. It was like me and like a 300 pound guy in the. I was like, wait, you guys were

[Moses Hacmon]

on the same row? You should have been on opposite row.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was his. No, he was above me. It was like the pilot and then the guy's wife that I sat next to. It was like a old like a senior citizen couple. He was like driving the helicopter. Not driving like we were. It was like three couples that were in this helicopter.

[Moses Hacmon]

Big ass helicopter.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And so we were in the. It was me, this other guy and then this other guy were in the big boy row. And then like this petite ones were up front. I was like, damn.

[Moses Hacmon]

Which is kind of crazy because my situation was it was only a four people helicopter and the pilot and the guy I was with were sitting tandem. And then I was by myself in my own row because like they even out the way. So that's crazy. They put all the big ones in the back. They should have put you guys more in tandem. Like. Well, anyways, all my whole thing was, I guess my fear manifested itself because I literally. We took it to Santa Barbara. This guy was so, so weird. He was like, we didn't take a helicopter, Santa Barbara to have dinner and fly back. I was like, okay. And some might ms, like, I'll pay for it, whatever. And then on the way back, back, we had to do an emergency landing and we had to Uber the rest of the way. And they didn't tell us why I was so scared. I was like, never, never. And this was like 2017, this a while ago. But they are, they do scare me a little bit. I don't know. I always think like. But I'm like, that was private jets too. I'm very much like, I, you know, obviously you could have an accent anywhere. But like, I don't know. You Hear about private jets? Enough. Let me not do that. Yeah, but anyways, thank you so much to Arby's for sponsoring this episode of Just Trish. Arby's is raising the meat game with their new Angus cheese. Steel meat and bun isn't just for burgers. Try a new sandwich. Their Angus cheesesteaks are perfect for summer. There's lots happening at Arby's. Okay, that orange drink is back. Woo woo woo. They just know what's right. Okay. Arby's is so good. If there is one near you go right now. That's gonna be my lunch order for sure. The jamocha shakes. Refreshing. So refreshing on a hot summer's day. Their new Arby's cheese steak is crafted from top to bottom with premium ingredients and bold savory flavor. In fact, it's so good it's been added to the permanent menu. Thank you, Arby's. Everybody's wanted these cheese sticks and they're here, here to stay. I hate when you find something new and then it's gone. Arby's cheesesteak features thinly sliced 100 Angus beef. Yum. Melted with white American Cooper cheese, thick cut caramelized onions. And is served on an authentic Omarosa sesame seed sub roll. Break up with your boring burger. There is a better way to enjoy meat and cheese. Available now and only at Arby's. We love you, Arby's. Thank you so much for sponsoring this podcast. You guys know mozzarella sticks and curly fries are my go to for that side. If you're gonna get the Angus cheesesteak, you gotta get those sides as well. Maybe try the peach cobbler roll. Lots of summer finds at Arby's. Enjoy Arby's today if you enjoy it. Honestly, like, I don't know statistics, but you could probably look it up. I mean, the probability is probably not high. We just hear about them because they're so sensationalized.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Anyways, that's my proposal. You should do it. Do it in the helicopter. Do you ever think, like when you guys see all the wedding content? Especially like, because who is it? It's like Selena Gomez is getting married and Taylor Swift's getting married. Are you ever like, damn, we should probably get married?

[Trisha Paytas]

No. It's like the concept stresses me out.

[Moses Hacmon]

Both of you are just you

[Trisha Paytas]

probably more me, I get. Cuz I'm like so busy that I'm like, I'm so focused on like let. Hashtag just let survive the day.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's my Mentality.

[Michaela Conlin]

One more thing on your plate.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's to have to plan so far in advance and stuff. I'm like, it make. I'm really bad at making decisions, too, when it's not immediate. Like when it's stuff that's so far down the line.

[Michaela Conlin]

That's what the wedding is all about, is constantly making decisions.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. I was horrible at that too.

[Trisha Paytas]

So all of that stresses me out.

[Moses Hacmon]

But everyone does, like, courthouse weddings now. That's like the bougie thing to do is go to the courthouse and be like, look at our, you know, 1960s wedding photos.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, and I wouldn't be super opposed to that. But then it's like, for prenups and stuff to figure out, like, so many, like, logistical things to figure out that. So that's what holds me back really, is the logistics.

[Moses Hacmon]

But an engagement is just engagement.

[Trisha Paytas]

But that is like something that you have to. That's like, hopefully the one in. Unless you're Michaela. I'm sorry. But it's like the one and done. You know what I mean? Mean, like, so I love multiple proposals.

[Moses Hacmon]

By the way, my mom proposed to like five or six times. I think it's kind of. I always thought was. She was always, like, embarrassed by it. I was kind of like, damn, you had five people want to marry you. That's kind of. That's kind of. I wish I had that many proposals.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think being the 1D. I don't want to have to do it so many times. For me, I think if people. If it was to me and then, like, that's kind of fierce.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

You hold all the power. But, like, if you're putting yourself both knees on the floor

[Moses Hacmon]

when you propose, just go to Masters in Malibu, where Shannon Ryland made history. I did love it. I just thought it was funny because they did it at nighttime and they didn't get a professional photographer. So it just looks like they're just black. I was like, well, they were in a beautiful cliff in Malibu.

[Trisha Paytas]

Actually, Martin from Slushy Noobs, he recreated it. And that was it for the bit.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. Did he propose that way, though?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think he did a real proposal. But his proposal photo shoot, he did it. It's iconic. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Both knees is so crazy. I wonder what he was thinking. We need to interview him. I have so many questions, like, why? Or do you think he wasn't think and he was nervous?

[Michaela Conlin]

Yeah, I think it was just being comfortable.

[Moses Hacmon]

That seems less comfortable to be balancing on two knees. That's like A Pilates pose where you just be like, really score and stuff. Because otherwise you have, like, this to hold yourself up.

[Trisha Paytas]

I probably just forgot because also I. I could see a world where I would do the same. Like, you know, you're just like. So many thoughts are in your head. You're just like, I know I have to get on the floor. And then you kind of just forget. It's one versus two.

[Moses Hacmon]

And it is kind of like, I love it. I think everyone should propose on a knee or two. But it is silly. Wait, it's like, damn. Okay, now I gotta get on my knees to ask this question.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like getting back up after.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's awkward. The getting up, all of it. Moses dropped the ring in the sand. We were. Got engaged in sand dunes. And in the video, you see him drop it. And I look back and there's a sand dune. So, like, if you drop a ring, like, how the hell are you gonna find it? You found it pretty quickly, though.

[Michaela Conlin]

Because I noticed quickly enough that it was there.

[Moses Hacmon]

You never drop anything. You're the least.

[Michaela Conlin]

Well, because we were wearing the costume room and there was no pockets.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, really? The robe didn't have one.

[Michaela Conlin]

So it was literally in the waistband of my pants. And you felt it suddenly. I felt like something is not pushing against me there. And.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Michaela Conlin]

And I was like, that would have

[Moses Hacmon]

been crazy if I was like, quicksand just, like, sunk underneath. And there's.

[Michaela Conlin]

Never mind behind it back. And I saw as the sand was kind of like. Because we were going uphill, the sand behind us. Oh, my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

That would have been so crazy. That's stressful. Proposals are just stressful. Because the cops had come. Because my photographer, Isaiah, like, I'm here for this shoot. Obviously he thought it was like a music video because we were doing music videos. And so then we had the police. Or were the police or the patrol. I don't know. There's like a patrol person that came. And then Moses had to tell him. Like, it's just proposal. Like, it is just stressful. I was stressed because, like, we didn't have a flag and the ATVs were going. So I thought, oh, my God, we're gonna get hit. Like, it is just, like, stressful. The whole thing, stressful. The knees again. I like it, but it is, like, silly. But I guess in the moment, you're just both there. You're just both being cringe together. You're like, okay, this is what we do. This is how we do it. I love a proposal. I Think proposals. I feel like if you. Even if you never get married, I feel like you should always get proposed to at least once in your life. It's the best part. The engagement's the best part. And then, like, whatever, you know, like, you said, all the logistics, stuff happens. Even the day of the wedding, you're signing, like, contracts. You're just like, jesus. Oh, my God. They're like, signing your, like, life away, but. Or technically, you are, like, signing my life over. You can make, like, decisions for me. My one friend, not whatever, but I have a really good friend that, like, one of his really good friends died. And that person had no family or spouse or anything like that. And, like, no one can. He can't make the decision. Like, he can't give her a burial, a funeral, because government's like, you have to be related to give a funeral. And I was like, what do you mean? And he's like, yeah, they're just gonna 30 days claim the body and then just put her somewhere because she's not family, which is. So she's trying to track family down. Because he's like, I want to give her something. It is crazy. So you literally sign your life away in more ways than one. And it's a little stressful, but they get you because it's right. Right before you go down the aisle, he's like, okay, actually, I signed this and this. And then you're just, like, signing all this paperwork. You're like, jesus. Like, it's a lot date porn. I never got divorced. Divorced for that reason.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I forgot about that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, he's still married. It is a big commitment, I suppose, but that's what I'm saying. Just get engaged. Then you're kind of like, look, guys, we're engaged, but you don't have to actually get married if you don't want to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot to think about. I mean, Jen McAllister's engagement got me excited, though. That's cute.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's what I'm saying. It's cute. The photos and people will stop asking because, like, your ass will be like,

[Trisha Paytas]

so when's the wedding?

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. Well, that's true. I know. I do want to go to a wedding. We've never been as a couple to a wedding. I want to go to a wedding. I've only been to one wedding besides ours. I've only been one at the wedding. I really want to go to a wedding. Just have it even just at the courthouse, it'd be so fun to get cute photos. Have like the David guest wedding where it's like Michael Jackson and Elizabeth Taylor and all the people in it. Like it'd be so fun to just have your like random group of people that you know next to you. You need to do it. Pink tuxedos.

[Trisha Paytas]

You planning it?

[Michaela Conlin]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wasn't your guys invitation? It was. Was it the snow globe?

[Moses Hacmon]

Was that yours? Yes, we had a snow globe. Did I know you? We knew you were we. No, we weren't here together.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I. I was. I was with Joey when he got

[Moses Hacmon]

his though we were Taylor Swift just inviting everybody. That's so random that we invited Joey. That's so funny. We really did kind of invite everybody. That's crazy that he got one cuz those were so expensive. They were going to be even more expensive but we had to tone it down. It was Twilight. I think when you opened it it played. Yeah, we were in inviting everybody.

[Trisha Paytas]

I yeah I was at his house when it came in the mail. I think I remember it was like he was gag. He placed it in the dining room at least. So yeah. It was featured. A featured decor item. I love it.

[Moses Hacmon]

So it was worth it. Those were so freaking expensive. Our whole budget was on the freaking invitations. Which I didn't know it was. It was crazy. I love it. I love an invitation. I love a wedding. It's so fun. Just the engagement will be fun.

[Trisha Paytas]

He didn't end up going but you know, then at least he got the invitation right.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think said he was England. Of course.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

We had a good turnout at our wedding. It was good. Weddings are fun, but they're kind of a scam. I mean money wise. You know what I mean? I'll keep asking. I'll follow up next month. If you're going to get engaged.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think you'd be the first to find out.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really? You going to send me a picture?

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean you're definitely going to be performing at the wedding but maybe the engagement as well. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love that engagement party. Let's do it. We can do it up here. Would you both wear rings for engagement?

[Trisha Paytas]

So yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think so too. I think that's like I always thought it was weird when the guy like when you wouldn't want wear one. I'm like what? We should both be wearing them because we're both taken now. We're both fiances.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm usually Darian is more Moses coated but I am in the sensory thing with jewelry. I'm very weak. Like I never sometimes Sometimes only for show. And then I take them off as soon as I'm done. But also when I wear them, I fidget with them a lot.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, same. Yes. I, I. Yeah, I don't wear mine either. I'm always just scared for, like, it getting lost or stolen or something like that. So I just don't wear them. Yeah, but they are like, yeah, I forget to put it on. But at least for the first, like, year, it's fun to wear it and be like, look, we're married.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And he loves picking out jewelry. Jewelry. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Married couples who wear them all the time for, like, my dad's worn his for, like, 25 years. I'm just like, you never take that off. It's just always on. That's. It has to be an old annoying. Especially the girls with the diamonds and stuff like that. It doesn't get caught on your pantyhose. Like, it just. It doesn't. It seems annoying. Rings seem annoying. I don't know. Because people will say if people are not wearing their rings, it's like, oh, they're not together anymore because they're not wearing rings. I'm like, who the hell wears wedding rings? And why? To be like, I'm taken. It's never stopped anybody. In fact, I feel like most girls would be like, it's a challenge. You know what I mean? Like, I don't. I don't really get the point. I mean, I'll take one. I like them, but it is dumb, huh? If you've worn rings for longer than 10 years, why tell us why?

[Trisha Paytas]

Let us know down below.

[Moses Hacmon]

Let us know. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I found your next acting role, though.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm ready.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ashley Tisdale is starring in a dark comedy series, Toxic Moms, following her viral essay Breaking up with my Toxic Mom Group.

[Moses Hacmon]

I have a feeling she did that essay so she could have. Have an ip, because nobody wants to make a TV show or movie unless you have an ip. And that's why people do books and this kind of stuff like that to get it turned into something. So I think she just, like, wrote that to be like, look, look how powerful this is. She probably. She probably was Toxicity. She probably started the Toxicity to be like, I'm gonna get me a TV show out of this, and it's gonna be real, and people gonna rally behind me. Because the general consensus was that she was the problem. Right. Is that what we gathered from everyone else's accounts, like Mandy Moore and Hillary Duff? Like, she kind of was the toxicity that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, in a sense.

[Moses Hacmon]

So she just created her own drama to make a little TV show or a big TV show. Maybe I'll be in it. Ashley, I love you, but it seems a little, like, kind of orchestrated.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess so. Right. Because it was an op ed that kind of came out of nowhere. No one was really talking about it. No one really asked for it. She, of her own volition, wanted to share this experience. So now that you say it. Yeah, I didn't think about that. But that does kind of make sense. Sense.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because, like, she had to know she's

[Trisha Paytas]

in a celebrity mom group. She had to know it would make waves, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're kind of spilling who.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who bought it? Who picked it up?

[Trisha Paytas]

Netflix. So it's gonna be big. It's gonna be big. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And she's starring in it.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's gonna be. She's expected to start in it. She's also producing it and she's teamed up with Sabrina Jalis, who did Mating Season and Search Party, and Ali Wong, who did Beef. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, that's gonna be good. I'll be like, is she writing it or just producing it?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I could. I feel like she'll probably end up writing it. I like Ali Wong's things that she writes.

[Moses Hacmon]

So, so funny. Definitely knows women. And it's a dark comedy. Perfect. I love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like it's gonna. It's gonna slide. Even if you're like. Like if you were not. Like I was seeing, you know, Hillary T. Mandy and everything.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, always. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I fear I'm. I'm seated. I fear I'm seated for this. I think it's gonna be good.

[Michaela Conlin]

Who?

[Moses Hacmon]

No director. No one attached.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nothing yet.

[Moses Hacmon]

Ryan Murphy. Get on that. We could have an all spin on.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love why Murphy? Why? We don't like him now he's being canceled.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I think he's just spread a little thin. I think he has it. You know, he's. He has too much because he has the Netflix shows, he has FX shows. He has all, you know, he has too many things where I think he's spread a little thin. I need someone to really lock in and, like, I'll direct it work.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would love October Cash. Meghan Trainor. Scott Hoing recently just became a parent. He could be in the toxic mom group. I think he told us that he was gonna join the Meghan Trainor mom group.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's fierce. Okay. Is that your ticket?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Infiltrate that. I think that's where it's gonna be. I have ideas for this And I think we could use some real mom fluences. I think Meghan Trainor needs. She definitely needs a redemption arc. So maybe this could be it. If she's like a really good actress, you know, like that and it really gets into it, who else could be in it? Toxic mom group.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought you instantly. Cuz I'm like, you're a. You can definitely do this kind of like campy drama.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Whitney would be really good. Oh, she's an actress too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Although her production company probably would want to produce it and they already have a production company. Maybe get Jen Affleck.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, not Jenn Affleck.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, she's toxic and a MOM2 method.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Not too real. Okay. Vanessa Hudgens for a little reunion would be good. X's and the. You never saw her in Ashley Tisdale do that cover. It's like in Ashley Tisdale's backyard.

[Trisha Paytas]

Their backyard sessions. Yes. I love that one with the guitar and everything.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Did you know Orion from High School Musical, the actor Lucas Gabriel is not gay. I know. I just watched a whole eight part series on Tick Tock about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like what? And that's why someone did a whole thing while he never became successful. And it's like it was like the opposite. He was like this gay character and he wasn't gay in real life. And so everyone just saw him as. So he always played gay, I guess after that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because people just saw that is shock.

[Moses Hacmon]

Shocking. Like, what do you mean you're straight? It's how. Yeah, yeah. Not real, but real. I mean, I saw it on TikTok. Want to interview him?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, he is straight. Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Great actor.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because I was like, what? Are you sure he auditioned for the Troy Bolton character?

[Trisha Paytas]

Whoa.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I actually know you're gonna play the little gay kid, which is crazy. And he also wasn't a kid. He was like an adult at the time. And he even on the show he did after, I think it was like Secret Life of American Teenager or something like that. Like one of those shows. He. He was like 30 playing a high schooler. Like, he just constantly played like a gay high schooler. And he was straight and male and 30s.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is fierce. Oh, switched up birds. Yes, I remember that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And he was like, supposed to be this like, big thing and then just.

[Trisha Paytas]

That really gagged me. He was really gagged me.

[Moses Hacmon]

I never seen anyone play so gay that wasn't. You know what I mean? Like, he was just. And it was.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was.

[Moses Hacmon]

Was kind of like the Character we didn't know was gay because didn't he. Wasn't he with the little piano player in the movie?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, Kelsey.

[Moses Hacmon]

So they kind of made him seem like he wasn't gay.

[Trisha Paytas]

It seemed like he had a crush on Corbin Blue's character.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's what, the third one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, right.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or the second one, the boy's like, I don't dance. I know you do. I think that was okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Word.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think they were queer baiting though, cuz he was with Kelsey in the other ones.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're right, you're right, you're right. I mean, I guess he was just so flamboyant. But I guess if you are Sharpay's brother, you're going to be flamboyant. Like you have no choice.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's okay to be. So they were kind of making it seem. Seem like that he could be straight in those ones.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But he did the Backyard Sessions with her too.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was in High School Musical. The Musical. The series with Olivia Rodrigo as well.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who'd he play? The teacher.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think he played. No, he played Lucas Grayville.

[Michaela Conlin]

Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because it was.

[Michaela Conlin]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

High School Musical. The Musical. The series was a Disney plus show about the school where it's meta. It's like where High School Musical was filmed. That school in. In Utah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was a. Like a series about kids in that school who are putting on High School Musical, the Musical because it was filmed at their school. So like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, so they had the real. Any other. The ones come back?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it was just him. Yeah. And maybe the girl. Pop and lock and jam and.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, Casey. Casey Stro. I know her everywhere she is. She is like the biggest high school. And Coach Bolton wasn't in it because he's always doing High School Musical.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think he was in it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh. You know, those three are always down to come back, which I love. I would too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but no, they made a lot of like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Vanessa, Wait, what did you sing just now?

[Trisha Paytas]

Pop and lock and jam and break.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I thought you were singing. Pop it, lock it, poke.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like stick to the status quo. Not to be confused with. Yeah, what?

[Moses Hacmon]

Pop

[Michaela Conlin]

to the.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like to pop and lock and jam.

[Trisha Paytas]

Jam and break.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, no, no.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is that even legal? It's just dancing. Sometimes I think it's even cooler than homework. Not another word. I love that part. That was. That was great. Look at me and what do you see? Intelligence beyond compare but inside I am burning Something strange is occurring It's a secret I need to share Open up Big way down deep. That's what it's. I like to pop like. No, they hated it. No, no, no, no.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, no, no. We could do it. We could reacride it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, we could do our own High School Musical musical. The series.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who would you play, Troy? I'll be Trey. Who are you?

[Trisha Paytas]

I fear I would be Ryan Lucas Grayville.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, just cuz you're gay. No. You could play Sharpe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Fierce.

[Moses Hacmon]

I could see you as a Sharpe Moses. You could be Darvis. Do you know who that is?

[Michaela Conlin]

Does he play basketball?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, the. The.

[Michaela Conlin]

The.

[Moses Hacmon]

The coach. Not the coach. The director of the play.

[Michaela Conlin]

Oh, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, if you want to play basketball, I guess you could be who's who's choice friend.

[Michaela Conlin]

The Chad guy with like a curly hair or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Which one do you want to be?

[Michaela Conlin]

I guess that'll be Zeke.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, oh, the baker. Oh, yeah, he does say that. What's his. What's his line?

[Trisha Paytas]

Something about creme brulee. Creme brulee. Keep your voice down low. Not another pe. No, not another sound. Everybody quiet.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's right. Damn, that was a good song.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was good.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who wrote those songs?

[Trisha Paytas]

Was Adam Shankman? Because he. Yeah, I. I think maybe he wrote it, I think.

[Moses Hacmon]

And Kenny Ortega directed it. I think Kenny Ortega directed Michael Jackson in his last tour right before he died. He really got around. He's everywhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no.

[Michaela Conlin]

Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

David Lawrence and Faye Greenberg.

[Moses Hacmon]

Shout out to them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Shout out to them. They wrote. They wrote a banger.

[Moses Hacmon]

They were all such good songs. I love High School Musical. It's my favorite favorite series, I think, ever. Not the one that was on Disney plus, but the original three.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Disney series was really not bad.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like Olivia Rodrigo.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was good. I was. Before she took off, though. It was before Driver's License.

[Moses Hacmon]

And you liked it then?

[Trisha Paytas]

It really was quite good. The acting, the music was good.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess we could try and watch it because we did watch all three of the high school musicals and man Moses watched all of them when we met. We had to watch all of them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Also like the music.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's true. They do like High School Musical 3. So they could like the. They could like it. Is it more for little kids or. No, the TV series or adults. Young adults.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tweens, I guess. Yeah, I'll put it on. Yeah, it's cutesy. And Olivia, she. I wish she would go back to acting.

[Moses Hacmon]

But who did she play?

[Trisha Paytas]

She played like the Vanessa Hudgens esque character.

[Moses Hacmon]

But who did she play in the play?

[Trisha Paytas]

Vanessa Hudgins.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, so she was Gabriella and playing a Gabriella character.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who was the. Who was the Troy Bolton?

[Trisha Paytas]

Joshua Bassett, who she wrote driver's license about. He was trying to be the Troy, but it ended up being like the hot, like, football player guy. And that was like the contention was like she was playing the romantic lead with this guy, but she was dating Joshua Bass's character.

[Moses Hacmon]

So did they ever show their final performance? Performance? Did they ever get to, like, sing the songs from the original?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so, because it opens with them auditioning to get the parts and then the whole show. They're like in the outfits and stuff and auditioning. Yeah, I think so. It's been a while since I watched, but.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do you remember the Suite Life episode where they did high school music?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, of course.

[Moses Hacmon]

That guy is on Hacks.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes,

[Moses Hacmon]

yes. He's so great. I love him. Remember we saw him at the after party party at Hacks, the assistant to Deborah Vance. And he was in high school. Well, he was in the high school

[Trisha Paytas]

musical in the brush your teeth. Oh, I have I lost without my.

[Moses Hacmon]

I told him that too.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like Mark and Delicato. He was an ugly buddy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he was the little. He was ugly. Ugly Betty's nephew. Gay nephew.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that's cute. I wonder if he's gay in real life.

[Trisha Paytas]

I hope so, because he was gay life and gay as Helen Hacks. So if he's not gay, I'm gonna be really upset. That'll be like one. Like.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like that is happening a lot now. It's like

[Trisha Paytas]

the check.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would be upset. Oh, is it cancer? He's two days after me. Oh, July 16th.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God, it's coming up. Your birthday.

[Trisha Paytas]

Me just googling Mark and Delicato get. Yes, openly gay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Are you sure?

[Trisha Paytas]

Period. I mean, that's what Google says.

[Moses Hacmon]

But we don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I'll DM him.

[Moses Hacmon]

We are. Are you gay? Can you ask that anymore? I don't know if you can. Can you ask the person if they're gay just in real life, not like a hiring situation.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a great question. Like you meeting Benson Boone being like, you're gay. Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

I always kind of like, I will, like, suss it out. So if I. If I'm with someone. Well, like, I usually know nowadays that they're gay. And I'll be like. They'll be like, oh, I have a date. Oh, like, how long are you talking about to him? You know what I mean? And then See what they say and then you're just like, oh, six months. Okay, I knew it. So you kind of confirm it without confirming it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like it's safer in our space to assume gay versus assuming straight. Right. Like I. And obviously in the day portnoy barstool situation, I feel like assume straight. But for us, yeah, it's safer to assume gay because either you are gay or you're straight. But such an ally that like, you would be flattered to be called gay. You know, that's.

[Moses Hacmon]

People do like that. It's like kind of a flex now that people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. The straight guys we associate with. I would be, you know, would think it's cute.

[Moses Hacmon]

Would love it. Yeah, it's very. In the Elle woods, she. This one girl, she's like, oh my God, he called you a lesbian. And she. Yeah, but like, aren't you upset that like people. They think you're gay? And she's like, I am gay. And it's like, what? Like she doesn't know. She doesn't have a gaydar.

[Trisha Paytas]

You watched it?

[Moses Hacmon]

I did watch it. I thought it was pretty good. And I kind of like the fact that she had no gator. Because then the lesbian was like, if the whole world had no gator like you, it'd be a lot safer place. And it was like really cute. It was kind of cutesy. I actually liked it. I thought it was good people. I think it just haters. She was like. She looked. I mean, she sounded look just like her. I mean, she was just like exactly the same. I liked it. Does it make sense in the universe of who cares? You know what I mean? Like, it's fake. None of it's real. Well, now that I saw it, it's actually pretty good. It's actually pretty clever. We loved it. It worked the first time. Let's just do it again. You know what I mean too?

[Trisha Paytas]

From like other reviewers, they're like, if you just think of it as like an alternate dimension.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or something like where it's unassociated with Legally Blonde.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or a daughter of Al. Someone said if it was like Elle's daughter, like he would get it. Yeah, I know. That's what everyone is saying. And that's how I looked at it. I was like, oh, this is feeling like her daughter. Because she is like giving the exact same mannerisms, the same thing. And she had, you know, the same. It was very like woken. It was just very like a. A different. It was like the modern day Elle woods.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I like, influencing me.

[Moses Hacmon]

I Think it's good. I never wanted to watch any new, like, teen tween show. I'm not into off campus, any of that stuff. But I was like, I need to

[Trisha Paytas]

watch this off campus. Shade.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, be serious because, I mean, what is it? You know what I mean? No one's talking about it. There's a whole.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone's talking about. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think even bad hype is like, hype. Because I was like, I want to watch this now. It's kind of like Supergirl. I really wanted to watch Supergirl too. I was like, I didn't get to the theater this weekend, but I am going to watch it. Because it's like, well, if everyone hates it, like, let's watch it and see what it's about.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it'll be on digital only two weeks. So tomorrow, I think they said July 30th is. It'll be out on digital.

[Moses Hacmon]

So really fast. July's going fast already. What is such light? Seven. Six.

[Trisha Paytas]

Six.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow. Damn. Oh. So what are you gonna do for your birthday next week? Are you going somewhere?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I mean, I'm going to Comic Con the week after and it's for work, but I also like love Comic Con, so I feel like that'll be kind of birthday. Maybe we'll go to Benihana. Because I went to Benihana once for my birthday like three years ago or four years ago, so I feel like that'll be fun.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've never had. I hope they still have the Trish Trio.

[Moses Hacmon]

July 24th, it ends.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, we just made the cut off. We just made the cut off.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, some people are stealing the inserts. Well, I guess you can have them. I don't know if you're stealing why, but we go and like all the inserts are gone. And I was like, wait, I'll give you one.

[Michaela Conlin]

Just take it with you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, and put it in the menu

[Moses Hacmon]

Moses always wants to do. Just in case they don't have them, we'll just stick yours in there. I'm like, no, but that's the fun part is getting to open it and be like, that's me. That's the Trish Trio.

[Michaela Conlin]

That's. It's so popular, people actually keep it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, I love that. Yes. Is there one in San Diego? You're. Are you going to go to one here?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I'll go to the Encino one.

[Michaela Conlin]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So fun. Oh my gosh. Get the trio. I hope the sign is still there, cuz it's like right off in. You just See, like, this big pink sign. It's like, so cool.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm surprised no one stole that.

[Moses Hacmon]

That we're playing.

[Michaela Conlin]

I tried.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is kind of a fun idea, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's like your Empire State proposal, stealing all the signs.

[Moses Hacmon]

What happens if you do? Are you allowed to. Or is it private property? Or is it property? I mean, what's stopping someone from stealing a street sign?

[Trisha Paytas]

A tea. I mean, I know for, like, in, like, stores where they have displays, like, I think Target, they just had a Pokemon collab and people were stealing the Pokemon, like, sign.

[Moses Hacmon]

Are you not allowed to?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's technically still theft, but, I mean, what are you gonna do?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it's up to a thousand dollars in California, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So how much is the value of yourself? Priceless.

[Moses Hacmon]

As you will. Our clothes down here. The one where we always ordered our spicy nuggets from. I'm actually really sad because I was like, for old times, we should have gotten some. I know. It's Moses. He was the one who liked down about those cheeseburgers. And it probably closed. I'm so sad.

[Trisha Paytas]

In the middle of the Minions meal too. I was hoping that would give him a nice boost. A little research I did see the Minions movie. Minions and monsters. And the Minions are gay. The two Minions. So I feel like now you have to be nice. How do you know they're, like, in love? Like, it's. Henry and James are the two lead Minions, and they have a deaf friend. So it's also like. It's like, woke as hell.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

And they're get like, the other Minions in the little group are. Are mad because they stay up giggling and reading. Reading books together and, like, encouraging each other's art to make directorial debut. Like, they're making a movie together. It's gay as hell.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're probably all gay, aren't they? All men. There's no female Minions.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, wait, you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

You kind of gagged me with that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I thought that was the whole thing. So eventually they all gotta.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's kind of tea. I didn't even think about that. I mean, these ones in particular are very romantic. Henry and James, they're more of the.

[Moses Hacmon]

The flamboyant gays.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, they're just, like, so in love with each other. Like, they're just a couple. Okay, that's cute because I've seen the other Minions movies and, you know, I never really thought they were, like. They had romantic chemistry. These Henry and James are taking it. They have such good chemistry. Yeah. So I think now you have to be nicer to the minions. It's homophobic if you're not.

[Moses Hacmon]

Honestly, you sold me on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I knew it. Once I realized they were gay, I was like, wait, she has to love

[Moses Hacmon]

the no penetration shown.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can you imagine? There's Minion sex and Minions of Monster.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. How do you know they're gay? You're just like. Just cuz they're friendly with each other.

[Trisha Paytas]

They like cuddling each other. They stay up all night cuddling and reading a little book. Looking at the stars like it's furious.

[Moses Hacmon]

Did you get the Minion meal?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I do. I kind of want to. Cuz they put the little minion in the little pigtails and that's fun to me.

[Moses Hacmon]

They recommend like the sun. Remember the second sun porches? I think sunset one has it. Sun room. Yeah, that was great with the yellow biggies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I'm getting a lot of nostalgia Core Tik Toks and it. That was like one of the things that keeps getting brought up. Like things we missed from the early 2000s. And I'm like, tea. I do miss that too.

[Moses Hacmon]

I get mine from like the 90s and it's like the Flintstone Push up Pops. Do you remember those? Love so good. The kangaroo, the Dunkaroos. Those were so good. Been good times.

[Trisha Paytas]

I need to bring it back.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love nostalgia.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, kind of related. Dick van dyk, who is 100 years old.

[Moses Hacmon]

Love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, did you. I didn't know this about Dick. You know how old his wife is?

[Moses Hacmon]

54.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like what the hell is going on?

[Moses Hacmon]

What part? We're against it, we're for it. Well, what's 30? You're good. It doesn't matter. The age gap. At that point I'm like, what the

[Trisha Paytas]

hell are they talking about?

[Moses Hacmon]

What part? What part? What are you gagged by?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I just saw like, I read it. Saw an article that was like Dick Van Dyke 100 takes a walk. I think it was showing how old he was and how decrepit he was. Dick Van Dyke 100 uses walker during rare outing with wife Arlene. 54 was the headline. And I was like, wait, 54? Like that is a whole.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're both old. What do you mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

That is crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

But what part? Because it's like they're both old. What is she supposed to date? What is he supposed to date a 90 year old? Like, yes, they take care of him. You have to date younger at that point. That point is like you have to no choice.

[Trisha Paytas]

When do they get together?

[Moses Hacmon]

How old I mean that's a good question. I don't know, she was like years ago.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is crazy because I'm like 54 to 100 is just, it's a big difference, like conversationally. Like what do y' all even talk about?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I mean you're all old. You remember Ed Sullivan, like, you know what I mean?

[Michaela Conlin]

50 is not that old.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean it is, babe. 50 and 100.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean hundreds of big jobs

[Michaela Conlin]

in a couple of years. Yeah, I can't imagine being with a hundred year old person.

[Moses Hacmon]

What do you mean? Yes. You know so much about that culture and you could talk about everything.

[Michaela Conlin]

Somebody that's 100 now live questions I'd

[Moses Hacmon]

ask Dick Van Dyke. Oh, what was like being on the Mary Tyler Moore show? What was like having a female lead as your like protagonist of the show? What was it like dancing and like, you know, Mary Poppins? What's Julie Andrews like? How did you guys meet? Like what was like being a musical singer back in the 50s?

[Trisha Paytas]

But you've always liked old guys so

[Moses Hacmon]

they have a lot to teach you. And then once I'm 50, I feel like it's more appropriate because now I'm old too. Me and a 50. Me and a hundred year old. I would love to talk to any of the hundred. Mel Brooks, Turner. I'd love to talk to all of them. When did they get together?

[Trisha Paytas]

She was 40 and he was 81.

[Moses Hacmon]

Over the hill. When you're 40, you're over the hill.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I guess 40 to 80. I guess just 100. 100 just sounds so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow. Oh, kind of amazing though, 40 even.

[Trisha Paytas]

40. 80 to 81. Like my mom's. Yeah, because when I was young my mom had me older. So like I was pretty young when she was in her 40s and she still like felt young. So like I couldn't imagine her with an 80 year old. Like if my dad was 80, that'd be kind of weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

I could, I could picture it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, you were with 80 year olds when you were like 20, so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh yeah, that was bad. The 20 to 80 pipeline was bad. But now that I'm 38 easily like Mel Brooks is still one of my dream end. That'd be like if I wasn't with Moses. I mean I probably was writing him letters at some point being like I would love to marry you. Like I. That was like my dream. Like because they're just so knowledgeable, they've been around. So knowledgeable they've been around. How many wars like you're survived Vietnam,

[Trisha Paytas]

World War II ask.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's like being with a literal dinosaur, which is kind of fun.

[Trisha Paytas]

But then you don't really know anything about technology. And then he definitely does.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's not true. We were just saying old people adapt AI more than anyone. Okay. All the old people in our lives, the older men in our lives, or older people obsessed with AI, and we're

[Trisha Paytas]

like, yeah, but they don't really know, like, the ramifications.

[Moses Hacmon]

Of course they don't care. They're gonna die. They're like, whatever, who cares? But that's what I'm saying. They almost adapt it more. He's, you know, he's on chat GPT. He's like, looking up all these things because that's. You're on the way out. You're just like, whatever. You know what I mean? Like, it is crazy, though, to be 100. I think it's great. I would love to be led to be 100. I would love it. I'm manifesting that for both of us to be 100. But, like, how crazy is your day to day where you're just like, is this the day?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Any second now.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I mean, that's so scary.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or going to bed. It's really going to bed be like.

[Trisha Paytas]

And maybe it won't make up. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. It's so much a wild. Because a lot of people that are 100 now and it's like, really crazy thing. It's good, though. It's good people are living longer, I suppose. He seems happy. Dick Van Dyke was just on Mass Singer like, a few years ago at like 98 years old. I was like, damn, that's pretty impressive. It's pretty good.

[Michaela Conlin]

You didn't even have to wear a mask. What?

[Moses Hacmon]

What does that mean? Like, people know who he is. I love Mouse Singer. I'd be on it at 98. I wonder if Else will be around when we're in a 98. I hope we both love to be 98. I think the worst part about getting that old is also just seeing so many people die that, you know, like you mentioned, I'm 100 years old and just like, everyone's just dropping and you're just like, damn, all right.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's kind of like all the YouTubers getting canceled and irrelevant. That's the equivalent, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Very much like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is crazy. When you sent me that David Dobrik Tick Tock, I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot about this little. I've never seen him, like, you know, like, I haven't I haven't seen the visual of him in a long time. So I was like, well, we reacted

[Trisha Paytas]

to his YouTube video like a month, month ago.

[Moses Hacmon]

But oh, yeah, jump scare. I disassociated.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you hear his voice.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, well, I don't anymore. I stopped listening to it. I really did stop listening to it because I was like, I'm rather on that Stephanie sue rotten. I'd rather listen to true crime and bodies than that. Because I was like, I cannot listen to this anymore because they are talk about they should get with the girl from one talk. Because talk about stupidity. Like, they all just sound so stupid. And I'm like, this is the stupidest conversation I've ever heard in my life. But anyways, Oscar sent me a TikTok of I do like her. She asked a lot of people if he would get with a big girl. That girl, like, known for doing that. And she asked David Doberg, would you ever date a big girl? And him just like lying through the comments, calling him out too, being like, he's lying.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. His response was, I would get with anyone who wants me. Basically.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, okay. It's giving Noah back when he's like, do I date black girls? I like humans. I don't know about their color. It's just like, okay, defensive. Like, just relax. Like, it was so crazy. I was like, david o' Brick hates fat people. That's what I wanted to comment on there. I literally could be like the most fat phobic person I know. But okay. I almost did, actually. And then, you know, I just. I just stopped myself. I'm like, let me just. I don't need to put that out there. I need to put positivity out there. He was popping up on everything. He was watching, like, fireworks. And I guess it was in, like. I don't know, these guys were like, oh, look at David in this, like, more rough part of town, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I forgot where he was.

[Moses Hacmon]

They showed, like, Pruitt Avenue, but all the guys were like, oh, he's here.

[Trisha Paytas]

And, yeah, he went up to a random person filming the fireworks, right? Was like, hey, can I use your guys bathroom?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, is that what it was?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I saw.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know what he's doing with his life. I was like, okay, just. He's just so. He's just everywhere lately, and it's too much for my liking. The worst.

[Trisha Paytas]

You kind of derailed my transition.

[Moses Hacmon]

Thought if. I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about cancel youtubers. I thought of David Dobrik I was

[Trisha Paytas]

going to go from, you know, dying at 100 to the concept of past lives.

[Moses Hacmon]

Love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love a past life.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, Millie Bobby Brown talked about who she believes she was in a past life and she believes that she was a closeted gay soldier who was killed with a sword. And it was like the most Trishian thing I've ever seen in an interview. I love the NOLA Holmes 3 press tour.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Every interview of Millie Bobby Brown tickles me lately. I think she is so funny. She did an interview with Capital Buzz and she got asked about, about she believes in past lives and she said, oh, I actually know exactly who I was cuz I have a birth mark on my lower back, the very bottom of my spine. Which is obviously meant to be the way that you died in the past life. And she says in war, well, I don't know if it happened a lot, but to kill people, to make them have a painful death, they would put swords up people's spines. So they were completely paralyzed, but they would obviously die. And that's how I think I died. So I might have been a soldier. Soldier. And then she said she was definitely a man, but hopefully a closeted gay man.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why closeted?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think because gay people back in the day weren't allowed to be in the.

[Moses Hacmon]

Was she having sex as a gay man or she's just like completely suppressing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think she just wishes like if she had to be a man, she would hopefully prefer to be gay versus like a straight one. And you had to be closeted to be in the military, so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, but I think like way back, like in the year 300, I think they were definitely openly gay romance soldiers.

[Trisha Paytas]

In the movie 300, she didn't specify what time, era or what war.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, like what empire are we at? The Roman Empire? Because they were definitely gay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if she knows either. She's just basing off the.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, specific. Millie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you have good follow up questions because I mean it was her and her co star Louis Partridge were like interviewing each other. So he just said, I don't believe in past lives. And she goes, okay, well that ends that. But she was so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, like play with it. That's such a stupid answer.

[Trisha Paytas]

She was, was so impassioned. She was like hopefully a gay, a closeted gay man. Hopefully, like she was so wistful. And he killed the vibe. He definitely killed the vibe.

[Moses Hacmon]

I want to be like a super gay man in my past life. Like a really. Who's like the most Openly gay. Just.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, like Leslie Jordan.

[Moses Hacmon]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

Rest time.

[Moses Hacmon]

Peace.

[Trisha Paytas]

You remember Leslie Jordan, Will and Grace? He was like the young. I mean, not young. The short. Like gay.

[Moses Hacmon]

The leprechaun and look up the Irish.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think so, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He kind of gives me like. Was he super gay in like 80 years? Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Was he super gay?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Leslie Jordan.

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't know. Oh, wait, how do you know about him? That's a random icon.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was in Will and Grace. He was always on RuPaul's Drag Race because he was just so old and flamboyant, you know?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, okay. I love that. I was thinking more like Freddie Mercury getting a bunch of ass. You know what I mean? Just like working, having sex with everybody. I was thinking more like that, but I like that too. You could be Leslie Jordan, I'll be Freddie Mercury. Which openly gay man would you be in your pan past life?

[Michaela Conlin]

I think if there was only.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I like that you're thinking about this. It's good.

[Michaela Conlin]

I don't know. I would like to think Napoleon was gay, maybe. Napoleon?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, why is he gay?

[Michaela Conlin]

Just give it the vibe.

[Moses Hacmon]

What did he do? I don't even know anything about Napoleon. What did he do?

[Michaela Conlin]

He was conquering the world.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, and conquering some ass. I like that. Okay, well, you don't really know that he's openly gay, but I like that you chose someone who could be closeted.

[Michaela Conlin]

We can out him now.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think Shakespeare, definitely, I think, was gay because he was writing just all men in his plays. If you were meant to be a girl, you're a man. If you're meant to be a dog, you're a man. You're just all men. I like it. Shout out to the openly gay men out there.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the closet in case too.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, come out. It's so much better if it's safe. Of course. It should be safe now. Unless you're in, like, Arkansas or something. I Love Millie by Brown. Please come on. The podcast. We love Anola Holmes. I should watch that show. Trying to find new shows to watch.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's three of them and they're quite long, but give it a try.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's about Sherlock Holmes's daughter, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah. I think it's fierce too, because she gets a lot of flack because she's playing like this old timey kind of character, but she refuses to, like, be d. Glam. Like, she still has acrylics and, like, extensions in full glam. And she got asked about that too. She's like, that's so boring. Like, if you're mad at me for playing historic bees and still having, like, makeup and extra extensions, like, focus on the artistry. And I was like, yeah, I love her.

[Moses Hacmon]

She doesn't give.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then. God, I forget his name. But there's this gay reporter who I think I forgot what outlet? Maybe it's, like, the Advocate or something. I think his name is Ricky. But he does, like, all the gay. Like, he goes to, like, the RuPaul's Drag Race events and, like, just asks, like, the craziest gay questions. I think it's based in Las Vegas, too. And he'll sometimes do, like, the morning news and, like, just have a key. Like, he cuts up with, like, the other anchor for being so gay. But he interviewed Millie Bobby Brown, too, and he was like, millie, everyone wants to see you, like, be a little lesbian. Like, when are you going to play someone queer? Yes. And she goes, yes, bitch.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, she's not playing a lesbian. Toxic mom group. She's a lesbian. That should be it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, I forgot she's. I forget she's a mom, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

That would be so good. Very. What does that show? Hunter Wives or something? Like, it could be Millie. How old is she? She's young.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's. She's, like, 23.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I could be, like, the lesbian. Like, kind of like in hacks. Right There was that, like, lesbian couple. It was, like, the hot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

I forgot their names. Was kind of like that. It's like the Deborah Vance and the Ava. Sure, why not? I'd love to play a lesbian in something, actually. That'd be great. I just love them.

[Trisha Paytas]

You might have to write it yourself.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe that's the next book. The Adventure of Lesbian Trish. I love it.

[Michaela Conlin]

The.

[Trisha Paytas]

You probably don't remember when I brought it up, but the gay. The new gay dating app that tried to get Darian to promote it, Goose.

[Moses Hacmon]

I do remember that. Okay. Work.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

They followed up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, E.J. dickinson, who did your Rolling Stone interview,

[Moses Hacmon]

she also wrote a book about being a mom.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, wait, she did?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, because I was supposed to interview her. I don't know what happened. I was supposed to do, like, a interview. Probably my dumbass didn't, like, follow up or something, but, yeah, she's great. I love her.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's fierce. And she did. Did a. An investigation into the app. She writes now for Wired, but she did an investigation into Goose.

[Moses Hacmon]

You think she watched the podcast? Who was talking about Goose? Nobody. I never heard of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

She Said that Goose has been using a network of AI generated instagate accounts to lure dudes onto the app. So she said she heard about it from a few friends that had received messages from random hot guy accounts that just followed them, inviting them to the app. And the accounts were all created in May or June, and they are all just like hot guys. And the language and the messages were all very similar. They went, hey, okay, this might feel random, but felt you'd be interested. I'm part of the team behind Goose, a new gay app that just launched. It's basically a curated network of guys in key cities across the US who want to actually make plans and meet people at irl. We're hand picking who gets in and honestly just thought you'd be a great fit and you could. It's like a way to skip the quote unquote approval process. So the these AI instagay bot accounts were all inviting other gays to be a part of Ambassador program.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my gosh.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's kind of aied.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of do. I mean, the messages was like the same too, but they were asking him to like, promote it as well. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I wonder how they find. Like, how come they didn't reach out to you. Like you. How do they find the people?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think they reached out to a specific looking kind of twink slash twang.

[Moses Hacmon]

So AI is like program to find only hot people? Like, that's crazy. Wow, it's so advanced. It really is.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. And she reached out to the founder, Derek Chadwick, for a statement, but he has not responded to the request for comment.

[Moses Hacmon]

We reach out. Did you reach out for a statement?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but I should.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're a journalist.

[Trisha Paytas]

She said that a lot of the gay members of the gay community she talked to who already criticized the app for lack of diversity in its market marketing and promoting toxic body image standards, were already upset. They said. On one hand, I'm flattered that I'm their target audience, one user told her. But the need to essentially bake gay guys into signing up feels really sketchy. Which is true.

[Michaela Conlin]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yeah, it's all like the idea of the app or the concept of the app is just like premium selection of gay guys. I guess it's supposed to be not hookup focused, but like, when you sign up for the the app, you're greeted by a photo of Derek Chadwick, like in his underwear.

[Moses Hacmon]

So it's like, what's Derek Chadwick look like?

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like just supermodel. Yeah, he's like A tall, muscular supermodel.

[Moses Hacmon]

What's he known for?

[Trisha Paytas]

Being hot.

[Moses Hacmon]

And he started this app.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Smart. He must be making a lot of money. Have you investigated? Have you looked into the app? Have you tried to join? Have you.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I have not tried to join.

[Moses Hacmon]

To just see what it is like to like give a little direction.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't. It's like you have the. They're making a premium. Like you have to get approved because it's supposed to be like all Hawkeyes. They've been like, they were already getting flack before because they've been getting like, like small gay tiktokers that all look the same. Like all these twinks basically to like make ads for Goose but not disclose that they're ads. Like, oh, is it true? Derek Chadwick is making a gay dating app and it's all these twins like posting about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Are they getting paid?

[Trisha Paytas]

They must be getting paid a little bit or for. I think for Darien. They. When they reached out to him, they made it seem like you can hop on a zoom with Derek Chadwick. As if it's like, you know, I hate this. And then it also was getting a lot of flack too because in the terms and conditions for the app, basically when you join, you sign away allegedly your right to anything that you upload. Like your, your. Your likeness, your voice, all your photos. Like they have the rights to which. And they can. And there's a section, a statement in there. They can do any. Like they could basically make AI versions of you based off of what you upload to there. Which is like very sauce too.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think the next investigation should be by the FBI because like what do you mean you're gonna steal my likeness? Like you don't own my picture. Be careful when joining Crazy. Like the name though. Goose is good. That's used to. Used to be what a call. If you grab someone's butt, you say they Goose. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, so maybe that's where they got it from because the icon isn't even a goose.

[Moses Hacmon]

What is it? A buckle?

[Trisha Paytas]

Two like stick figures holding hands. Kind of abstract skinnies. Only it is very much no fats, no fans. It's very that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is that what people say on Grindr? Damn. Damn. The fatties really got it bad, huh?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Cuz the fatties would have to go to Scruff. And now Scruff is being taken over by like, you know, it's no shade. Cuz you can never call a twink a twink because they will get upset. Like if you call a twink a tween. They are going to be in your face about it. Because every time I call a twink a twink, like, I'm not a twink.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who. Who, who was the last person that got upset with you for saying that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Probably maybe my friend, my Farai from Tik Tok.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, you called him a twinkie.

[Trisha Paytas]

I called him a twink. He's like, I am not a twink.

[Moses Hacmon]

I have.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm not skinny. I have muscle. I'm like, okay, relax.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're still.

[Trisha Paytas]

The twins get upset if you call them a twink because they want to be like, muscle. They want to be twunk or whatever. I'm like, okay, relax.

[Moses Hacmon]

And smell.

[Trisha Paytas]

Coming from a gay person, not a slur. Sometimes straight people be using twink in.

[Moses Hacmon]

Of course.

[Trisha Paytas]

In place of the f slur. And I'm like, I. I know what you're doing, but yeah, goose is twunks, twinks. I guess hunks.

[Moses Hacmon]

But hunk sounds better.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hunks. Yeah, but you have to be beefier to be a hunk.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, you could be a hunk. Anyone could be honk most honkier and gay standards. Lower your standards.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, so true.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, anyone can be a hunk. Everyone needs a chill.

[Trisha Paytas]

But everyone started migrating to scruff because they didn't want to be hashtag not like the other twinks. And then they were on there. So then you had to go to Growler.

[Moses Hacmon]

And now Growler's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Growler was crazy. That was for the. The big. The biggies. I was on there as a. And now there's one. Now I forget what it's called, but it's for eaters.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love that one. What's it called?

[Trisha Paytas]

I forget what it's called.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

One of my oomphies talked about being on it. I forget what it's called, but it's like, either you are like a gainer, like for guys who are getting bigger, or you want someone to feed.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have no idea.

[Moses Hacmon]

It should be called the trough where the piggies come to eat. I love that I'd be an ambassador kind of fear. They showed that for hetero couples too, because I feel like that is very big in the hetero community is like, feeders. A lot of. Even unknowingly, when I was, like, younger, there'd be a lot of feeders. I'd like, order three meals, order that. And it's like, oh, I love this. You know, you just think, like, oh, I get to order all this food. I could take it home. I was just. I didn't think anything of it, but I said, wow. They really like, they were feeders back then.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's fierce.

[Moses Hacmon]

They just like want you to get bigger and bigger.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would just like the food, but

[Moses Hacmon]

you know, I know I loved it. I just took it home and had it for days. The Cheesecake Factory. Because that's when like I used to live by the Cheesecake Factory in Sherman Oaks and oh my God, there was a P. Chang's there back then. I used to just take like three meals home. Pings is slowly going away.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. It makes me sad.

[Moses Hacmon]

PM they've been trying with their marketing. Their tik tok has been popping.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I love all the marketing. Shout out. They sent me a gift card ones and that I got, that took me very far. I got so much, so much leverage out of it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is it still up at the Topanga?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Our local PF Chang, it's kind of the last remaining. Literally like the whole entire strip mall is. Has been demolished. And it is the one building that's crazy. So you pull into it and you're surrounded by rubble. Like not even being dramatic.

[Moses Hacmon]

Take a video when you go. Want to see?

[Trisha Paytas]

You're literally surrounded by rubble. Like no joke. Cuz they demolished it used to be like, you know, it was in the parking lot and then in the same parking lot was the theater and a mall connected. And they demolished all of that. So it's just rubble. Like where the.

[Moses Hacmon]

It feels very apocalyptic. Like, oh, look at the PF Changs and the rubble.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is very that. It is very that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Ours got turned into a fog to chow. When we moved to, there was a PF Changs and I was so excited. I was like, oh my God, we're going to eat here every single day. I don't. So disgusting. And I love meat, but like I do not need like meat platters just walking around like serving me meat every like five minutes. It was like not it. I really wish something else. That's where the air one's gonna be. They're building apartments there. They need like a capital grill. Salsa and beer is coming to Calabasas. Did you see that? I'm so excited for that. But I guess you're close to the other one too. Salsa and beer. A Benihana out here would be great. Like something. Yeah, Chow's not it. I hate that. That's everywhere. There's one near you too, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I don't even know it. I mean, I drive past it But I don't know what it is.

[Moses Hacmon]

It just meats. It literally is just like meat on a stick. Like bridesmaids where they get sick, you know, it's just like meats on a stick.

[Michaela Conlin]

Oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

And, like, they're not bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's just like, a lot of just get.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're, like, sweating meat when you come

[Trisha Paytas]

out, though, it was like, yeah, and

[Moses Hacmon]

I love meat, but that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't like meat like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, you would hate it. You would hate it for sure. But keep the PF Changs alive. If you see one, go to one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you see the rumor that Ice Spice and Toby Maguire were making out at a party?

[Moses Hacmon]

I thought it was pictures. I thought it was real. I thought it was fact.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought so, too. But then someone from the show, the Breakfast Club, reached out to Ice Spices Rep, and they shot down the viral story and said that they were just sharing a vape.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that's kind of. That's intimate. I did see a TikTok of normal people talking about this, how he went on a date with a girl. He went on a double date, and he. He was on a date with a girl, and then they were on a double date with her best friend and another guy, and she got pissed at him for taking a hit of the girl's vape. And so, like, half the comments were like, yeah, be pissed, too. What? The other was like, oh, no. She was, like, overreacting. He thought she was overreacting. She like, warm attacks. Like, that's like a boundary. Like, that's weird that you did that. But half the comments were like, no, it's not weird. The other half was like, yeah, that's, like, pretty intimate. I think it's intimate to share a vape with someone. If Moses just, like, told Tana, like, let me hit that vape, I'd be like, what the. Like, you know what I mean? That's weird. Like, right? It's kind of like if Darian's like, okay, Darian's like, jimmy, let me hit that.

[Michaela Conlin]

Huh? What's in the vape?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, anything but your mouth, maybe.

[Michaela Conlin]

The guy's like, you know, weed head, and he really wants a weed head. Is crazy above. I don't know what you call it.

[Moses Hacmon]

What do you mean? You were the biggest weed head back in the day. You don't know what they were.

[Michaela Conlin]

Back then, we used to smoke weed like a giant about it.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I like weed head because it's a vape.

[Michaela Conlin]

I can understand if somebody really, really wants some. And then a Little like they, they don't really see that it's a girl. Again, it doesn't matter who it is. There's a vape. They want to hit that vape.

[Moses Hacmon]

So Toby McGuire had the vape or Ice Spice had the vape.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like Ice Spice is probably the one that had the vape.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

But the rep did not clarify who, who was in possession of the vape. The photos just seemed, seem like they were close face to face. Yeah, everyone kind of went. Went with that summary of that they were caught kissing. But yeah, once journalists had a breakfast club reached out to her rep. They said they were just sharing a vape. It still looks very close. I guess the equivalent for the non vapors, like the way I connect it in my brain is like if some sharing a drink, like, yeah, yeah, like sharing a drink or food, anything.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm like, I don't. I'm not going to share food or a drink with you. I do think that's off putting. Is that a hot take? I don't know. What's your take on it? It's like if it's someone, you're like, if it's not my sister or my husband and someone's like, oh, can I have a bite of that? Don't you think that looks like, weird? Like if you offer it's one thing, like, try some. But if someone's like, I'm out to dinner with you, I'm like, can I have a bite of that? Maybe not. Is it weird? I think it's weird, but maybe it's not.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think it's that. I guess it depends.

[Moses Hacmon]

Are you a try. Are you a taste?

[Michaela Conlin]

Can't.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess there's just.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm see, I am too anxious. Where I would never ask, like, even if it looks so good and I want to, I would want to try it. I. But I would kind of drop hints that I want to try it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, oh, that looks really good.

[Moses Hacmon]

So someone's like, try it. Yeah, you'll try it. Okay, maybe. But now I'm thinking with you, I guess. Yeah, I would be like, okay, try it. Like, I had a. I had a hot chocolate in London and I. With someone that I'm like close to but not like super close to. And I felt bad because like I was. The hot chocolate was like, you know, I only had like a sip because it was so rich. And then we sat there and we were about to leave and like an hour later we were about to leave and he's like, oh, Can I. Can I try some of that? And I was like, well, I would have offered it to you, I suppose, because when it was hot, because now it says just cold chocolate. That's, like, not the same. But I'm always kind of shocked, I guess. I guess I don't care. I don't know. I'm trying to think maybe it's just if I like the person or not. Because I wouldn't have cared. I would have been like, oh, yeah, try it. But I guess I wouldn't think to offer it because, yeah, sharing a hot chocolate. Chocolate with someone that I don't know that well, I do know. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

But that's also different. I think food is easier because they can use their own fork or whatever. Like, say if I'm having a dessert. And like, oh, it's. And, like, it is rich. It's easier for them just like, oh, dip a little. Fork versus drink. Because then it's mouth to mouth. Right? That's how I.

[Michaela Conlin]

My.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I guess so. Because I also think. I guess when I got to eat with some people and, like, my. My biggest pet peeve was, like, when someone, like, doesn't order food, or they're like, you know, like a salad and someone else wears, like, a burger and fries, and like, I'll just have some of yours. And then they end up, like, just eating that person's fries.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know someone.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know who I'm thinking of? I know someone who does that. They're like, oh, I'll just have some of your. And they just eat the, like, the whole thing. I'm just like, well, just order your own French fries. Like, don't they? One or two? I don't know. I hate that so much. But I guess it depends. Like you said, it's case by case. Like, I would share food with you, but if you don't know me, don't ask if you could share, because I actually don't want to eat it anymore. I don't know why. I'm always just like, well, I don't want to eat that anymore. I don't know you that way. Well, but maybe that is another me thing. I love sharing food with you. And Malibu.

[Michaela Conlin]

And it's a funny compilation of couples where it says a boyfriend, girlfriend, they go to order, like, ice cream, so she orders first, and then they get to him like, what do you want? It's like, oh, I'm not gonna have any. The girl just turned in, like, the biggest betrayal in the world.

[Moses Hacmon]

You should have done that. For me on TikTok. Because I do love those compilations. Yeah. Like, what do you mean? Like, I hate that, too.

[Michaela Conlin]

Having some.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God. When people. Yeah. Like, if you're like, we're both gonna get ice cream. And then, like. Yeah. And you say you're not gonna have any, be like. Or I see ones where you ask if you're, like, hungry. Like, are you hungry? I've seen ones where, like, oh, I was, like, offensive to my girlfriend. She asked if I was hungry and I said no. And this. She took this, calling her fat, cuz it's like, yeah. If I say I'm hungry, like, you're gonna be hungry too. Like, we're gonna eat food together. Like, don't be like, oh, we'll get food for you. I don't like that. No, you have to get it together always. Like, would you just go to ice cream with Darian and just, like, watch him eat ice?

[Trisha Paytas]

No. No. So the only times where it's like, oh, you can. Like, sometimes we'll eat. Like, if we're at the. Like the amc, we leave the movie and then it's at the mall. So we're like, he wants, like, sushi or something, and I'm like, I don't want that. So I'll just get something else. But we go to different spots on the food court, but we still eat at the same time. That's, like, the most.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's fine. We do that sometimes, too. Like, if you want sushi and I want something else.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but we. Yeah, we've never, like, eaten at separate times.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I guess we don't either. Yeah. Even that's like, okay. But if you're, like, going out to eat at a restaurant, like PF Chang's, and he's not gonna get anything, he's

[Trisha Paytas]

like, no, there's no point in us even going. Yeah. If it's just for.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's how they are. They're like in an ice cream shop and the girl will get ice cream.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I guess when you put it that way. Like, we're going somewhere specifically. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Especially ice cream. That's such a specific place. It's like, why wouldn't I have come here? If you don't want any, you always go. You're always in alliance with me. If I go and get a Jamba Juice, he'll get one, too.

[Michaela Conlin]

I like most things you like. I like to most.

[Moses Hacmon]

You don't like the Brookie from Domino's, and that bothers me.

[Michaela Conlin]

It's not that I don't like it.

[Moses Hacmon]

You never eat it. I sometimes order it like once a

[Michaela Conlin]

week for the girls and I do after. Like, I'll eat one.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like one. Half a high five bite of one.

[Michaela Conlin]

I love it though, cuz I'm less cookies. I'm more chocolate.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just pure chocolate. But it's a Brookie. It's a brownie cookie, which is super chocolatey. It's a chocolate brownie with a chocolate chip cookie. It's really good. Damn you into a Brookie.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like the Domino's. I actually like, like any Brookie, to be honest.

[Moses Hacmon]

God, the Domino's ones is so good. I get it like once a week, like every Sunday. I get it as like a little surprise for me and the girls and it's so good.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's a surprise to you, to the girls.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, mommy's got a surprise. And now Malboo knows. Malboo know it's the Brookie. She's like, that's the Bricky. I was like, yeah, it is. It's so good.

[Trisha Paytas]

The last thing I had in my mind. I feel like you're not going to reveal it, but I watched Spill Sasha's video about Brand Safe where Tana said influencer refused to put her on the PR list and it wasn't Alex Earl, but I really want to know who it is.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I don't even know if I know this. What was the. What was the lore? I really don't. I feel like I tell you and you could bleep it out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Said there's an influencer brand and. But the influencer, like, refused to. To put her on the PR list or give her, like, any product and people thought it was Alex Earl. And so when she posted it, she had to go on TikTok and be like, you guys, it's not Alex Earle and whatever her athleisure. What is it called? Alex Real. What is it called?

[Moses Hacmon]

Real Active.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Yeah, she said it wasn't Real Actives, but now I'm like, who the hell was it?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think I know. I think she did tell the story on Not Loveline. Or was it. Was it my episode of Brand Safe?

[Trisha Paytas]

Your episode of Brand Safe?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. I don't think she ended up telling me after because I think she was like, I'm gonna tell you after. I would tell you in the bleep it out. But like she said all her friends in the house got it right, all the guys got all the pr, but it wasn't her.

[Michaela Conlin]

Damn.

[Moses Hacmon]

Now I'm really trying to think who that is? I have to ask her. I could text her and get the tea. What did spill Slash say about it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Just that she rebuked that it was Alex Earl that was shading her.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's so funny. It's funny that Alex was the first one she thought of.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or people think. People automatically thought Alex.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, why?

[Trisha Paytas]

To make a Tick tock saying it's not Alex Earl, you guys.

[Moses Hacmon]

And they just all assume that. I wonder why they assume that, though. I don't even. I don't even correlate them together.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'll kind of be feeding with everybody. She's feuding with Nina Dobra right now. Allegedly. Allegedly. Over Braxton, her ex boyfriend. I watched one Tick Tock on this, and I was like, pretty uninterested. No shade to the Earls and whatever the show is called. But they just again, kind of give, like, unseasoned to me, and, like, they kind of bore me.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like Alex Earl. The show sounds awful. Especially when it's like a dad, manager. No, sign me out. Sign me out. Because it's always like, my dad's negotiating this. My dad did this. I was like, I don't like it. It's like giving Demilit.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or Addison Ray's dad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or I'm like, I don't know. The drama just seems, like kind of boring to me.

[Moses Hacmon]

We're gonna finally figure out about the Alice Cooper drama, like, a year later. Like, here it is already.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've already, like, over it. I'm already over. I'm more intrigued by the workers, like, you know, the workers having their complaints against.

[Moses Hacmon]

All right, New documentary.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. That's kind of the tea that I'm intrigued by. But, yeah, people thought Alex Earl. And then, yeah, spills. Just talking about her not working with Jordan anymore. And then I forgot that you worked with Jordan at one point too. That was the lore that I completely.

[Moses Hacmon]

I kind of went through all of Tana's managers. I think I had another one too that she used. And I was like. Because I was like, oh, they're Tana's doing so well. I'm gonna. They never did well for me. I remember manager. I had flopped. It was Never got me nothing. Literally nothing. Didn't cost me money. I did a tour once with Jordan, and it cost me money, so I'm having to pay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. I only remember meeting. Oh, no. I feel like when I met him, show. I definitely remember him coming with Tana when I interviewed her at Access Hollywood again right before Tanacon, and he was very excited For Tanacon, he was like, you guys need to come out. Like, we'll get you there. You can cover it. He. Yeah, he was, like, adamant that we could be the ones to cover Tanacon and be, like, the exclusive outlet. But then we didn't hear back. And again, seeing that everything unfold after it made sense.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just not organized.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's the next big horror movie. A24. Get on it. Blumhouse tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

They really need to get on that. That's why when you said the just Trish Cruz and we got to hit us getting hit by the iceberg, I was like, it does. I guess it would at least the silver lining. Tanacon would be the second worst influencer disaster.

[Moses Hacmon]

What's the worst treasure Screws. If we had the Titanic, we definitely can't do it. We're gonna manifest a good event for our followers and listeners. Botanicon will always go down in history, much like the Titanic that literally went down. No one died. It's a couple sunburns.

[Michaela Conlin]

Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

At Santa Gun. Some sunburns.

[Moses Hacmon]

All the teas now.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's weird. Sunburns are, like, chic now. And I don't know how this happened.

[Moses Hacmon]

Dave Portnoy started it. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if anyone's dying to look like Dave Portnoy, but there's, like, filters and, like, the app I use for, like, filtering photos. Like, there's a sunburn setting.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And prequel. Like, you can, like, make it look like you have a sunburn, you know, like, that's so weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

Popular for a while. When I first met Moses during quarantine, I used to do my makeup. Sunburn. I used to do, like, pink here and freckles, and it was supposed to, like, give you a sunburn look.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like that's kind of the idea and everything. Yeah, but it is. It's so weird to see, like, I'm assuming it's an AI like, effect or something to make it blushy. But I mean, sunburn y. But it's so specific also. But it's not even just the face. It's like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, the tan lines.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I do not like those. I do not like tan lines there.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

The trends, what comes around the side parts are coming back. Cringe is coming back. And some brands apparently.

[Michaela Conlin]

That's good.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's sunny out, so you can go get it this weekend.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wear your sunscreen, though.

[Moses Hacmon]

Be on track. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm a hat visor under the umbrella. Kind of girly sun Is scary. Well, you guys, the hot topics are hot with the sunscreen and all. Happy Halloween. I what are we going to be this year?

[Trisha Paytas]

We have to lock in. I got invited to a Halloween party. I forgot to say that.

[Moses Hacmon]

But is it Jake Webers?

[Trisha Paytas]

But he should start inviting people earlier because he only did like three days a little prepare. Yeah, yeah. And we have to go in hot. Like I can't be. I can't be full flopping this Halloween.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like you want to be a sexy something.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just want to have like a fierce, like a gaggy costume. Like impressive almost, you know, like, oh, how'd you think of that? That's such a good quality costume.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know because it's like you love obsession. But like, how are you gonna go as that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, especially bear is kind of boring. Like girls are definitely going to be Nikki. She's easier.

[Moses Hacmon]

But like how she's just be bloody

[Trisha Paytas]

and like wear tank top, I guess and denim shorts.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. There's no like topical movie to be that's pink. Like there's nobody in pink in a movie. Not yet. Maybe there will be one. Wicked was so good because she was always pink.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

We'll think of one. Mario was last year had been the princess Peach. I see that one all the time.

[Michaela Conlin]

You can be super girl.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's not pink.

[Michaela Conlin]

No. But as far as that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, well, in real life I have ours figured out. We figured it out yesterday. I was pressing Moses. He keeps switching his. In our family costume. We're doing a Peter Pan family costume. We keep switching which character he wants to be in.

[Michaela Conlin]

I just said I didn't want to be the old one, the with the belly.

[Moses Hacmon]

But that's the one you did want to be. Cuz you said that was going to be comfortable. So I was like, okay, I'm going to get you the SME costume.

[Michaela Conlin]

And then yesterday I'm going to be Captain Hook.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm like, I thought you didn't want to be Captain Hook. And I was going to be Captain Hook. So now I'm like, well, we got to lock this down. But I show him one me with his belly out. And he's like, I don't want to be that. And I was like, well, you don't have a belly out. You should have your striped shirt. So that's why I was like, you switched it.

[Michaela Conlin]

Well, I think I was. I think you were trying to sell me. And being that because it's confident of

[Moses Hacmon]

all you'd be Captain Hook. It makes sense you'd be Captain Hook. You're the guy. You're dark, hairy. Like, you have the features of a pirate. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that would have been so good for you, but you were against it. So I thought, okay, you don't want to be the stereotype. Okay, so you can be me. I'll be Captain Hook. I don't mind being Captain Hook because obviously the kids have to be Peter and Wendy and Tinkerball. Like, I'm not going to take that away from them. So I, like, so what's left is the crocodile. Tiger Lily obviously can't be that or. Or Captain Hook. So I was like, well, or it could be, I guess, like a John or Michael or those people at the top hats. But I'm down to be me. I'm down. I just want to make sure we locking in on that. That you are going to be Captain Hook. You're going to go through with the sensory of the collar and the wig

[Michaela Conlin]

and the hat and the Hook trying to deter me.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I want. I mean, if you think Peter Pan and whose mov is going to be. Would you think Captain Hook?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's.

[Michaela Conlin]

That's where I saw me.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think that's the perfect one. But you were adamant not to be him. You're like, I do not want to be Captain Hook. I was like, okay, damn. Like, I thought there was, like, a trigger for you. So I was like, let's not be

[Trisha Paytas]

talking about the trigger.

[Michaela Conlin]

When was it? I don't remember.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because you're like, I'll be Smee. And I was like, all right, whatever.

[Michaela Conlin]

I don't remember when it was me.

[Moses Hacmon]

All right, well, I'll be. I'll be Smee. Anyways, I love you. We have to figure out a couple's costume, too. We'll have to figure out a couple's costume this year. And then we'd figure out our group one here. Mario could be good. I mean, a lot. There's a lot of characters in that. Could be like a mushroom or something, you know? I mean, I'm Princess Peach, of course, but Jimmy could be in his little shorts and be a little gay mushroom, I guess, right? Little short shorts. Can we say that? I don't know what we can say anymore, but I love all the gays, closeted or not. Shout out to all the people who are gays in past lives. Millie, Bobby Brown, you, me, Moses has Napoleon, I guess. And I love you guys. Thanks for being here. We'll see you in a couple days to celebrate July 9th. Okay. I don't know I got late. I think this wig is in my. Crushing my head a little, too. Okay, but we're gonna go to the Patreon extended. I have so many Hot Topics to share. You know what it is? I don't have any water, any drink. I think this whole episode, I was like. And I just realized it right now. No, it's fine. I think that's what it was. Okay, bye. Love you guys.