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Summary

Just Trish – June 16, 2026 Episode Summary

Episode Overview

In this episode of “Just Trish,” Trisha Paytas, with co-host Oscar Gracey and frequent collaborator/friend Michaela, serve up their unfiltered and hilarious takes on internet drama, influencer tea, and celebrity gossip. Hot topics this week span everything from influencer scams, Vegas show recaps, the state of Costco soft serve (a scandal in itself), Tyra Banks’ legal drama over the America’s Next Top Model documentary, the workplace exposé on Alex Cooper and Unwell, and more. As always, Trisha and friends blend confessional storytelling, incisive commentary, and meme-able moments, with signature sidebars and quotable zingers.

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Costco Soft Serve Disaster, Food Court Talk, and the Hunt for Chocolate (00:26–13:00)

• Michaela recounts her dramatic attempt to satisfy a pregnancy craving for Costco’s chocolate vanilla swirl soft serve — only to discover it’s been replaced with strawberry for the summer.
• She details the “odyssey” of renewing her lapsed membership (expired since 2004), card payment troubles, $195 fee, and narrowly avoiding a line, only to miss out on chocolate soft serve entirely (04:48).
• "I was so stressed. I got a slice of pizza, too. I was like, let me get a trouble. Yeah. And I got a chocolate chunk cookie.” – Michaela (04:50)
• The group riffs on Costco’s membership model, the absurdity of buying in bulk, and nostalgic food court offerings.
• Oscar notes Europeans’ fascination with U.S. big box stores during World Cup season (09:17).
• Trisha highlights, “The gag is the hot dogs are still like a dollar fifty cents, but at the AMC they're eight dollars for a hot dog. So like, do the math.” (08:14)
• Hot take: “Why don’t we just make that available for everybody?” - Michaela on Costco exclusivity.
• Michaela: “Why are we inflating it so much? The markups are insane.” (11:10)
• The conversation segues into streaming platform restrictions and TikTok culture—like creators putting baby reveals behind paywalls.
• Trisha: “If you want to get this tea, like if you want to know the tea being your child... you’re going to have to pay. Like, that’s kind of weird.” (12:46)

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Froyo, Koala Chlamydia & Australia Travel Plans (13:11–17:47)

• Michaela launches into viral TikTok bits about gender reveals, “guess the frozen yogurt” prices, and America vs. Australia froyo trends.
• Trisha jokes about Michaela's upcoming Australia trip: “It would be funny if a koala gave you chlamydia. That would be a funny video. Now it’s such a Trisha Paytas 2012 title: ‘A Koala Gave Me Chlamydia.’” (16:17)
• Oscar and Trisha clarify the urban myth about getting chlamydia from hugging koalas—spoiler: not sexually transmitted via cuddles! (17:22)
• “I’m still holding a koala. What’s a little chlamydia? … Be safe out there though. Wear a condom. Don’t touch a koala.” – Michaela (17:59)

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Vegas Show Recap: Traveling, Anxiety, Meet & Greets & On-Stage Drama (18:53–52:10)

Vegas Logistics, Heat, and Fan Encounters (18:53–28:57)

• The group recounts traveling together (Trisha: “You were just so chill. Let’s just be on our phones in silence. Love that. Like, you were the best.” – Michaela, 19:33).
• Oscar details the havoc caused by soccer World Cup road closures in LA and how Burbank was a blessing.
• Michaela describes being swarmed for selfies in Vegas casinos and feeling overwhelmed by the heat, crowds, and fan attention.
• Signature Trisha moment: “I’ll get up out of eating. I don’t care. I’ll go to everyone’s table the day we went with Tana. I went to people’s tables. I pretended to be their chef!” (28:03)

Beta Blockers, Chasing Mozzarella Sticks, Soundcheck Woes (28:58–37:45)

• The crew explores the trend of everyone on the influencer circuit taking beta blockers for anxiety, referencing their prevalence on podcast circuits ("Five years ago, all the man podcasts would talk about beta blockers.").
• Backstage chaos: Tana Mongeau’s last-minute dental emergency, technical difficulties with show openers, and napping to recharge for the evening’s main event.
• “It starts with technical difficulties. ... That first video did not play and we never got to the mystery. It was really cute. I’m really sad about it but what are you gonna do?” – Michaela (37:10)

Show Recap: Games, Medleys, and Generational Gaps (37:46–52:38)

• On-stage games include a cheeky live version of “F/M/K” rebranded as “Fold Play”—with Holly Madison as guest.
• Oscar and the Flopcast girls’ surprise choreography gets a huge reaction: “We flopped our way to the top, I think.” (38:06)
• Generational banter about ambition and energy among the younger podcasters (“...when you’re younger, you just have more stamina, I guess you just try everything because what else are you gonna do at that age?” – Michaela, 39:12).
• After-party: “No, I certainly did not go out. I went up to my room, I ordered a pizza, and then I called it a day.” – Trisha (46:41)
• Fan interactions, meeting old friends, and a cameo gift of a peanut butter fudge pie.
• Trisha shouts out side-stage audience reactions to Tana’s live song medley, specifically how emotional “Without You” hit (“Paige is bawling, like, she’s weeping as if it’s literally hearing Gal Gadot sing ‘Imagine.’” 48:28).
• Reflections on performing: “At the end of the day, it’s just like, people just want to meet each other. And if there’s a show, bonus.” – Michaela (51:42)

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Influencer Scams: W Hotels, Pokimane, and Brand Gift Dinners (75:29–83:45)

• Viral influencer scam breakdowns: Joey Graceffa and Nikita Dragun get almost duped by a fake all-expenses-paid “W Hotel Osaka” trip (“He loves Japan! And he’s like, oh my god, this is amazing… And then they were asking for upgrades… That was the first red flag… They asked for their bank information…” – Michaela, 77:12)
• Pokimane’s advanced scam: A con artist impersonates both brands and her manager to funnel themselves into a luxury event (“You can be the biggest creator and get into those scam types. So just be careful out there and make sure to call the actual company.” – Oscar, 80:58)
• The etiquette/controversy of “brand gift dinners”—with an embarrassing viral story of influencers being left out, miscommunication about plus-ones and monogrammed Louis Vuitton luggage tags (69:51-73:41).
• “If you have everyone close their eyes and you hand out gifts, there should be something there when you open.” – Oscar (72:34)

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Internet Drama: Ned Fulmer’s Standup and Reputation Management (87:31–97:35)

• Ned Fulmer of Try Guys infamy posts his own standup with awkward laugh tracks and jokes about his social media scandal.
• “That was my thirteen reason. That was literally, like… what is happening?” – Michaela (87:39)
• Oscar analyzes Ned’s continued self-victimization: “He is presenting himself as a victim … he's putting himself as a victim of the situation.” (88:11)
• Deliberation: Is Ned Fulmer self-aware, trolling, or a “delusional narcissist” (91:45)? Trisha: “He is the fail guy… he should do animation form… he has the most annoying face.”
• Broader point on rage-bait vs. sinister vs. narcissist categories, linking to other YouTubers (Colleen Ballinger, Michaela).
• Cautionary tale about attention-seeking "trolls" and advice for disgraced creators (“At what point do you just give it up? What point do you just pivot…” – Trisha, 95:41)

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Industry Exposés & Lawsuits: Tyra Banks and Alex Cooper (113:41–140:34)

Tyra Banks Sues Netflix (113:41–122:51)

• Tyra Banks filing a defamation lawsuit over Netflix’s America’s Next Top Model documentary that she claims misrepresented her words and responses, especially in relation to controversial moments (115:35).
• “I actually feel more inclined to be on Tyra’s side … Edits love to be messy and dirty, especially with reaction shots … If she’s asking to release the full context, I feel like that is someone with nothing to hide.” – Michaela (118:16)
• Oscar notes audience desire: “If they release those three hours [of Tyra’s interview], people will be seated and watching.” (117:11)
• Consideration of bias from producers/other judges with past grievances (Ms. J, Mr. Jay, Nigel Barker) possibly flavoring the documentary narrative (119:21).

Vanity Fair Bombshell Exposé on Unwell/Call Her Daddy (122:51–140:34)

• Vanity Fair investigates toxic workplace allegations at Alex Cooper’s Unwell, focusing particularly on her husband and co-CEO Matt Kaplan, who is accused of abusive language, creating a hostile environment, and being flanked by an enabler “mean girls" CBO, TJ Marchetti.
• Allegations: Kaplan used threats (“do you know who my wife is?”), derogatory language, and attempted to blacklist unhappy employees.
• Alex is not accused of aggressive conduct, but of witnessing toxicity and failing to intervene.
• “It gives kind of startup environment… They just run the ship however they want… Being very cutthroat…” – Oscar (129:34)
• Group doubts the wisdom of industry players behaving this way in 2026, given the climate ("In 2026, people are calling people names, talking about people's looks… it's wild." – Michaela, 129:48).
• Discussion of power dynamics unique to young, first-job employees and the double-edged sword of dream jobs in entertainment/podcasting spaces.
• Oscar speculates (139:11) on the possibility of “old media” orchestrating a takedown of new media darlings, but the consensus is: 40 sources don’t lie.
• “Any company… there’s a certain level, the sweet spot where you have a good life. The more money, more problem thing is real. You get too big and you’re just managing people and that’s a whole different world.” – Oscar (140:42)

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Bonus Gossip & Closing Segments (141:33–end)

• Niche Internet drama: TikTok back-and-forth regarding Kat Von D, a fire at Frankenstein Castle, and whether “finding God” shields you from accountability. Receipts, legal threats, ghost stories, and TikTokers getting involved (141:53–145:18).
• “I want to see a documentary on Teva and Kavon.” – Michaela (145:18)
• Oscar closes the episode with an inspiring high school graduation speech citing Trisha herself: “Trisha Paytas once said, ‘You are given one life. Don’t waste it. Embrace it, love it, live it.’” (147:30)
• “I would love to see the context when I said it. You never know if it’s a kitchen floor video. I mean, I said a lot in my days, so I thought that was used in a graduation speech. And you’re welcome to that class.” – Trisha (148:32)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Let me just lay down. Also, we were go, go, go, because your room wasn’t ready. … But once you’re in that AC and laying down, it’s like, I think this is it for me.” – Michaela (30:44)
• "We flopped our way to the top, I think." – Trisha (38:16)
• "If you have everyone close their eyes and you hand out gifts, there should be something there when you open." – Oscar (72:34)
• “I'm the fail guy. … He should do animation form because nobody wants to see you.” – Trisha (90:37)
• “There are three separate categories: Ned is delusional narcissist, Michaela troll, and Colleen is sinister.” – Michaela (91:45)
• “That’s what rich is to me – just being comfortable and not having to stress about money.” – Michaela (66:07)
• “You are given one life. Don’t waste it. Embrace it, love it, live it.” – Quoted from Trisha’s kitchen floor meltdowns, used in a high school graduation speech (147:29)

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Additional Highlights

• The team shares updates on upcoming projects, book tour, and vlogs from Vegas. Shoutout to the Patreon for exclusive behind-the-scenes content.
• Teases about Dancing With The Stars cast speculation (Connor Levitt, “savannah bananas”), industry machinations, and pop culture rumors sprinkled throughout.

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For listeners new and old, this episode is a quintessential example of “Just Trish”: chaotic, heart-on-sleeve, and ever-ready to turn drama, disaster, and internet weirdness into relatable, meme-able, and occasionally uplifting conversation.

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Timestamps for Quick Reference

• [00:26] Costco saga begins
• [13:11] Froyo & koala chlamydia jokes
• [18:53] Vegas travel & show recap
• [75:29] Influencer scam stories
• [87:31] Ned Fulmer standup roast
• [113:41] Tyra Banks lawsuit breakdown
• [122:51] Call Her Daddy/Unwell workplace exposé
• [141:33] Niche Kat Von D/Frankenstein Castle drama
• [147:00] Graduation speech closes the show

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Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Michaela]

Oh yeah, I think I was defending clavicular on point. Like I like everyone be nice to his nose. Like I'm like, why am I defending him when everyone else on the stage like his nose? And I was like, oh my God. Me just trying to be a pick. Me be like, guys, we need to be nicer. How did. How to defeat a narcissist. I never really had to deal with a narcissist in my life. I don't think. I don't know. I can't remember. But like she's like, you just ignore them. You just like, you let like, don't let them control you. And so I was like, ned Fulmer knows he's controlling me. He knows he's getting to me. And he's like, finally. I've been waiting so long. Take down this. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I think he just like does it. Cuz I'm the only. We're the only ones that care. Hello. Happy Tuesday. Sunny Tuesday afternoon in June. Do you know what that's from? Anybody?

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Michaela]

Hello, Mr. Debris. This is. How you doing on this? Sunny afternoon Tuesday in June. Tuesday. Sunny afternoon in June.

[Oscar]

It's always Sunny Tuesday.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it Broadway? Yeah. It was nothing I've ever heard of, so I assumed it must have been Broadway.

[Michaela]

It is from the Producers. Mel Brooks, film legend, really became a musical in 2003. First musical I saw on Broadway. It was. It's great. They say that right before they sing the song Keep It Gay. The original Gay Pride anthem work.

[Oscar]

Mm.

[Michaela]

It was great. It was a great show. You should watch it. Never saw any of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, never.

[Michaela]

The original what? Oscar Wilde. Okay. I mean it was from. Well, it spans multiple decades, but. Okay. Anyways, we're nothing but good vibes here. I don't know, I just thought sunny Tuesday afternoon in June. That's what I always think of. And that's what it is today. It's a sunny Tuesday afternoon in June. Although, even though we're gonna have a positive episode today, I do have to start off with. I was. Oh my God. This is, like, embarrassing to admit. I've been craving Costco soft serve, like, since I've been pregnant. And you can't have soft serve when you're pregnant because of listeria. Listeria? Is that what it is? Like, because if they don't clean it right, it like, literally is so harmful to your baby. So I have been craving soft serve and Moses and Malibu, they love a Costco date together and they'll go and get pizza and the soft serve, and he'll always send it to me. When I was on tour. He's like, I want that soft serve so bad, but I couldn't have it. And all I've been thinking about. So I was like, you know what? Today is the perfect day. Our Internet was out. I was in so early. I'm like, oh, we usually start like 10:40. Costco's open at 10. Actually earlier if you go, they're like open at 9:45. And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to get my chocolate vanilla swirl. And I was so excited. Then I get there, I give him my card. Remember since like 2003, by the way. Because, like, my dad had a company in 2003 and you had to get it through a company. And I was like, so excited to show them. And they're like, oh, it expired in like 2004. And I was like, what? And then I'm like, so then they're like, okay, go into the returns. And that returns line, even at 9:45am yeah. So insane. I'm like, do I have to? But then there was a diva who loved my hair and she's like, she literally pulled me from the, like, back of the line. You come here. So I, like, came around. She didn't know that I was even renewing my membership, but luckily it was that she was, oh, you don't have to stay on the line, cuz you could renew. I was like, oh, thank goodness. But she like, literally just pulled me out of line to, like, help me, which was so great. And so then I renewed it. $195 to renew it. And I haven't been since 2004. And I was like, oof. But I soft serve was feet away from me and I was like, oh, okay, I want to get the soft serve. So I was like, let's renew it. I don't have my car because I had fraud on it last week. So then Moses cards in my phone. That's why I called you. But we don't have WI Fi. I was like, I need the pin. I need your PIN number. And there's no WI fi here. So I was like, oh, my gosh. And it was like cutting off. He was getting into the gate. And I was like, no, I need anyways. Diva again behind the counter. That was so helpful. Was like, just push the green. It bypasses it. I was like, perfect. I didn't know that. So then I was like, why? Because it was in my apple pin. So the perfect bypass. I'm getting so close to the soft serve. I get there. To the soft serve, you have to put your own thing in. And so you can have vanilla, strawberry or strawberry vanilla swirl. And I'm like, where is the chocolate swirl? And he's like, oh, we don't have chocolate anymore. No, chocolate soft serve. That's like. That's the classic.

[Oscar]

The last time I was there, there was definitely chocolate.

[Michaela]

That's what I'm saying. For five years while I was pregnant, there's chocolate vanilla swirl. And now there's not even a chocolate option. There's not a chocolate option at all. He's like, nope. We switched to strawberry for the summer.

[Oscar]

Like, oh, for the summer.

[Michaela]

Strawberry and vanilla swirl.

[Oscar]

Last week there was. I mean, that's crazy.

[Michaela]

I know. And I'm like, oh, I just spent $195, plus the cost of the soft serve, which was like a $95. And I was like, no. And I was like, all right, give me that. And I honestly, I was so stressed. I got a slice of pizza, too. I was like, well, let me get a trouble. Yeah. And I got a chocolate chunk cookie. And then I went to go post the TikTok. And then we came back and there's no Wi Fi still. So I was like, well, all right. I'm like, it's a Monday morning. Well, I know it's a Tuesday afternoon earlier. It's a Tuesday afternoon for you guys watching, but it's a Monday morning for us here. And that was that and I exclusive

[Oscar]

for the podcast listeners, because there's no WI fi. There's no tick tock about it.

[Michaela]

Right? Right. Well, hopefully by the time this goes up, there'll be a tick tock about it. The WI fi comes back. But it was a. It was a journey. And I was. I was. I like, relate so much to Mulatto when she's like. And I didn't walk out with the frozen yogurt that I wanted because I really wanted that soft serve. And I was really. It's not the same. I had the strawberry vanilla. I had, like, three bites of it. It was fine, I guess. But it wasn't the chocolate vanilla. So what I wanted waited five years for and paid $195. 197 dol. Just. That was crazy because Moses has a Costco membership but we're like not on it for some. I guess because my dad had my membership and like he has to run

[Oscar]

into it two people. So yeah, I think it's my own.

[Michaela]

So you had to get like your own and Moses the only one who

[Oscar]

does because it overwhelms me because like the thing is the thing to do if you don't have your card or something. Just the app because, well, you were

[Michaela]

going into the gate and you're like, I'm gonna lose signal. That's why I couldn't get the pin. So I just, I. I had to pay for it with the pin. Do you know what I mean? Like, I guess. Yeah, I guess I gotta text you. I don't know. It was. Oh God. That was a little stressful this morning. But it's okay. Man's fine. Everything's good. I just was a little. And you got here so early today. You got here like 9:45 on the. Because, well, once again we don't have the WI fi so we can't see. But I was out. I saw 9:4:5 and I was just at getting to Costco. I was like, oh no. And once again my food craving taking over. I was like I should just turn around and go home. But I'm like, I'm so close. Let me just get this. But then the renewal and the thing and the line, it just took like, it just took a minute. And I was like. But I was ready. I was ready at 8:30 actually. That's why I bolted. I was like, let me just go. But anyways, Costco, please bring that back. The Four Seasons, Brock, Bat the Panda, Bono. So I'm sure anything's possible, but only before 1pm they have that bread. And that's what we found out. So that's how my Monday morning is going. How's yours? You're so punctual. You're honest.

[Trisha Paytas]

Exciting. Is that. Although that does make me crave a little Costco food court moment. I do love a Costco food court moment. I have.

[Michaela]

What's on? What's the last time you've been to

[Trisha Paytas]

Costco or the food court? Costco? Oh, Costco was there yesterday. Well, I am the goal. I have a gold membership, so I go at 9am on the dot. And it's just like the exclusive Shopping window hour and it was already kind of busy. I can't go during normal shopping hours. Yeah, I'm very overwhelmed at Costco as well.

[Michaela]

Same. I love a Costco. Last time I went is like I was pregnant with like Elvis or something and I'm just like, I can't do this anymore. I just like left the car. I was like, I can't be here anymore. It was. But oh my God, I didn't know that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So I imagine your membership as well.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I have that.

[Michaela]

Yeah, you have the gold membership. Why don't you go at 9:00am? You definitely don't go 9:00am Sometimes.

[Oscar]

I mean, the thing is, mostly it's 9:00am the day that we film, but because it's not every day. But it is worth it because so many times 10 is late, like to start the day, you know, like I need to get groceries.

[Michaela]

Like 8, 9am Yours. Damn.

[Oscar]

But what. Why did you talk to me without you?

[Michaela]

Yeah, I know actually, because I'm like

[Oscar]

a bachelor on my.

[Michaela]

Oh my God, that's right. I guess you should have. What? What? But why the membership? Why are we doing. Why are we being classless at a Costco? Do you know what I mean? Like, oh, you have to pay 195 to even shop here.

[Trisha Paytas]

We pay for the membership and then like you kind of save on everything else. So it's kind of worth it because the gag is the hot dogs are still like a dollar fifty cents, but at the AMC they're eight dollars for a hot dog. So like, do the math. You end up saving really quick with cost.

[Michaela]

Well, how about just make that available for everybody?

[Trisha Paytas]

They used to make the food court like membership free back in the day. Recently. Ish.

[Michaela]

It was. That part was relatively cheap then. 195 to get in.

[Trisha Paytas]

Costco refuses, despite inflation, to raise the prices on their hot dog. So I like that they stand by.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

They pay their employees well and they stand for like, you know, diversity and their hires and everything still. So they're at least a good company.

[Michaela]

They reuse the boxes. Right. They give you the environment. Yeah, Love all that. I think we should just make it available for everyone. I haven't been to Costco, literally, probably guess, since 2004. I guess I wasn't even 18 because my dad had the card for me.

[Oscar]

But it is a hot topic now because with the soccer thing that's happening now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh yeah, the World Cup.

[Michaela]

The soccer thing is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's that little soccer thing.

[Michaela]

There's so many down la.

[Oscar]

There's so many Europeans visiting here now, and they make tik toks of being first time at Walmart and first time at Costco. And you should watch it, because it's funny. They're like. They're like little toddlers and, like, they've never seen something so big and so vast and the sizes of everything. And it's kind of cute. It's kind of cute. They're like.

[Michaela]

It's crazy. I mean, Costco is a crazy experience. Like, why is there 5000 rolls of toilet paper available?

[Oscar]

Only place that I actually take my glasses. Because everything, like, the. Everything is so big and so far. Yeah. I would look to see everything and.

[Michaela]

Yeah, you should be a Costco expert right now. You're always there. You're always at Costco. He gets the diapers, the formula there, the toilet paper. We do go through toilet paper. Ronnie was going this morning, too. I think that's what put it in my head. He's like, I'm going to Costco after this. And I was like, oh, I want to go to Costco. He gets, like, a big toilet paper, the biggest size you can get. Less than the whole year. Whole year. We go twice a month for those big ones. I mean, we do have three. Three ladies in the house, I suppose, now, but. And you don't even need toilet paper because you're on a bidet. So I don't know, like three, I guess, three of us. And then, like, but once a year, twice how much toilet paper you buy?

[Trisha Paytas]

I bought some at Costco when they moved in, so April, and we're still going strong, so I guess we'll see. But it's the first time I've been able to buy bulk as well, because I have space to put bulk items, so. Yeah. So we'll have to see how long this lasts.

[Michaela]

That's fine.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

That's why I don't go. I would. Because, you know, I love to buy when things are not in bulk. Even like the deodorants at CVS. I get, like, all 10 of the dry ideas because they always sell out. So I buy them in bulk, even though it's not really bulk because you don't get a discount. CVS. That's the scam not sponsored by CVS. The deodorant is, like, $12. When you can go to Costco and get, like, 20 of them for $12, one is $12 at CVS. Like the razor blades. Oh, you get my razor blades at Costco.

[Trisha Paytas]

See, now, you know, you're explaining why they have to pay for a membership, like as you speak, I guess.

[Michaela]

Well, how about we just make what it is, what the price is to everybody? Do you know what I mean? Just make it all the same price. Like, why are we inflating it so much? I get business, but like the markups are insane. You're spilling, you know, like, that's what I'm saying. Like, this is what we need. This is boots on the ground. I just am like kind of shook by it all. I'm kind of like, damn, 185 for that membership. I guess I have to be going. Although I could have just used yours. I don't know. Even Netflix now, right? Don't you have to like pay to share a password these days?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's kind of sick and twisted.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Like Netflix. You're a billion dollar company, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

All of you. All you. Streamers.

[Michaela]

All of you. Yeah, streaming companies are streamers. Like live streamers?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Streaming streamers too. Yeah, why not?

[Michaela]

Yeah, all of them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Semi related. Ish. But I also saw a tiktoker. I'm. God, I forgot her name. And we don't have wi fi, but

[Michaela]

I know it's gonna be hard today. We have no wi fi.

[Trisha Paytas]

So if we get anything factually correct, we have an excuse. That's okay.

[Oscar]

That's right.

[Trisha Paytas]

But there was this one tick tocker who was even hiding like her baby's reveal and name and gender, I think. Gender reveal behind a paywall. Like they created their own. Not even a Patreon, but it was like a website that you have to be like a member to. And it's like if you want to find out her name or if you want to find out their name and gender and everything and see her or see them maybe she said it was she actually. But you already see them. You gotta. My members are gonna see it first. And everyone's like that.

[Michaela]

Gosh, I saw that too. Is it someone popular or.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I think popular for maybe in the family sphere, but not like a mainstream sphere.

[Michaela]

Yeah, everyone's like, oh, that's kinda weird. A little weird, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Weird to like. I don't know, I think in General Even like YouTube memberships, like, you know, members for some channels or whatever get like first screening the same. Like a Patreon, whatever. Sometimes you see it first. There's that kind of makes sense. But I think to advertise it as like, if you want to get this tea, like if you want to know the tea being your child. If you want to see my child, they're Going to have to pay. Like, that's kind of weird.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I think that could be universally agreed upon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

People really do go crazy with those. Social media made a monster of us all with the gender reveals and everything. Because people really do. I hate when they do the. The black and white and then you got to wait for the follow up. Maybe we did that. I can't remember, but I. It's like. It's like, no, I'll just show me now. Or when they're like, I think you're going to be a boy. And then they don't tell you at the end. Like, just tell us right now what it's going to be.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I've never even seen that.

[Michaela]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

I might have done it. I don't remember.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do love those tiktoks, the gender reveal ones. I kind of wish you having another baby just so we could do it, but I was like, hey, little baby, I'm your pea. And I think you're going to be.

[Michaela]

We definitely did those. We definitely did them where they're like, yeah, I think you're going to be.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love.

[Michaela]

I mean, the accent was crazy. Are you watching like a Southern one?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I see a lot of, like, Southern. I'm. I'm your people. I think I'm your memo. I think you're going to be a baby girl.

[Michaela]

Yeah, we definitely did that. We definitely went around. We did that. I think every time I remember at the Greek, it was like, we're your parents and we know what you're going to be. And then, like, you go to someone else. Like, I think you're there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that. I also love when people do that for their frozen yogurt when they be like, I'm

[Michaela]

guess the frozen yogurt.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

They'll be like, I'm at Menchies and I think I'm going to spend 875.

[Michaela]

And like, because you have to weigh it there. Oh, that's a. That's a hard one for me. I have no. I wouldn't even know the cost per pound. Like, how does it. Per ounce? Is it a. Like, what do you even think is per ounce? And we have no wi fi, so you can't even look it up. Like, what would you guess per ounce at Menchies?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, God, that's kind of hard. I haven't been to a frozen yogurt place in so long, so I feel like I have no context either price per ounce. Maybe at least like 125. Because it adds up really quick.

[Michaela]

Right like you said, you go to this Costco, this officer for 125.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying.

[Michaela]

That's great. Per ounce.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so. Because it usually ends up being like $10 when I do a frozen yogurt. That's hence why I'm not really there anymore.

[Michaela]

But yeah, yeah, the froyo was a big thing for a while. Big trend. That's crazy. I actually don't even know. I wouldn't even know what to guess. But that's insane. I would have guessed like maybe $2 for a whole frozen yogurt. Really? That's crazy because also then you add

[Trisha Paytas]

the toppings and then those can get a little heavy too. So it's a little rough. Yeah, people still do that. You know what's fun? I was just gonna say that in America everyone's like, oh, frozen yogurt trend is dead. But like in Australia specifically frozen yogurt is the gag over there.

[Michaela]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they're like people in Australia will show like their lines and they kind of go out the door like they're very much gagged for a froyo.

[Oscar]

I mean if they buy a warm ice cream, I imagine they'll buy the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, tea. Like the Tyra warm ice cream.

[Michaela]

Wait, why did you think of warm ice cream from that?

[Oscar]

That's the only place that they serve that. So I guess they have some weird relationship with ice cream.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, a twist on it, if you will.

[Michaela]

Literally, I got a twist this morning. They're always a little behind too. Cuz they. Weren't they the ones that were trying

[Trisha Paytas]

to like with crumble? Yeah, they got scrumble last year.

[Oscar]

It's a time difference, you know.

[Michaela]

Oh, tether a whole time. I'm coming to Australia, guys. As I can announce it really soon. It's happening next, next March. Get ready. Have you been? No, Australia, it's. I want to see the koalas and the kangaroos. I don't know what else over there.

[Trisha Paytas]

But not manifesting it for you. But it would be funny if a koala did give you chlamydia. That would be a funny video. Now it's like such a Trisha Paytas 2000. Maybe nine. No, not 2009. Maybe like 2012 and Trisha Paytas 2012 title. A koala gave me chlamydia. And you in the thumbnail being like,

[Michaela]

don't you have to like sex with the koala?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, they just, they carry chlamydia.

[Michaela]

But you just don't get chlamydia from Hugging somebody, That's a stereo. That's a myth out there.

[Oscar]

Why?

[Michaela]

Or do you get it differently from a koala? It must be sexual. It must be as sexual.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, cuz people aren't having sex with koalas, I would hope.

[Michaela]

But they're not getting like, yes, koalas carry chlamydia, but humans aren't getting it

[Oscar]

from the way they mate. It's like you've seen them gremlins.

[Michaela]

Not the water. Yes.

[Oscar]

Yeah. You just spray a little bit of water on them and they. So it's the same thing koalas touch. If you just touch their fur, you. They get excited, you get the chlamydia.

[Michaela]

That is not factual.

[Oscar]

But in seriousness, I think it's like, it's oral too. Right. So they have it around their hands and mouth.

[Michaela]

Yep. I think they have to put it somewhere for your. No, you can.

[Oscar]

People. People can get oral chlamydia. You can get it from just like

[Michaela]

being close to the koala. I'm so confused.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think if you touch them and then you don't like, sanitize or wash your hands and then maybe like you touch your lip or something. Because same for like, if you touch a turtle, you can get salmonella.

[Michaela]

Oh my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

And if you, I don't know, squirrel can give you rabies. But I think that's.

[Michaela]

So why is everyone holding these koalas then?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I'm sure it's not super easy to get the chlamydia and I'm sure

[Michaela]

they like test the ones that they let people hold. Right?

[Oscar]

Yeah, that nice. I don't think I just see a lot of people holding them.

[Michaela]

Yeah, they all do. I saw them. Because even Ward was like, you should bring a photographer because, like, everyone holds them. Like at the sanctuary. He's like the Robert Irwin. Like, that's like. The attraction is like you hold. And I'm sure they give you a nice koala, a clean koala. No judgment, but I'm sure they give you one. That's because kids are holding them. Like, everyone's holding the koalas. Correct me if I'm wrong, Australians, but I'm pretty sure it's a main attraction. Yeah, I don't think they'd be doing that. People are like, maybe I'll get chlamydia. Like, I mean, I wouldn't let my kid hold a koala that they may get chlamydia from. So I'm assuming there's some safety precautions at hand. I don't know. I'm still holding A koala? What's. What's a little chlamydia? I guess take a little pill. I don't know. Be safe out there, though. Wear a condom. Don't touch a koala. I don't know. But we should recap our weekend of being out of the podcast studio. Me and Oscar traveled together for the first time, which. You're an amazing traveler.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, really?

[Michaela]

We had that whole conversation about anal traveling and anxiety and also, like, that. Like, you're the chillest travel companion ever. I mean, aside from Moses, of course, but, like, Moses is, like, the chillest person ever. But, like, up to par. Same thing where it was just like, I've never actually traveled with someone more chill than you.

[Oscar]

Oh, wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Thank you.

[Michaela]

That was crazy. You were just, like, relaxed. You were. You were like, the first one there, I was like, the second one there,

[Trisha Paytas]

and Oscar was the first two minutes after me.

[Michaela]

Yeah, we were like, the first one's there, and we were just, like, chilling and vibing and then the airplane was chilling and vibing, and then, like, walking, like, you were just so good. Like, if I'm like, I need to rest, you're like, yeah, go for it. Like so many other people. Like, let's just do this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Let's go.

[Michaela]

This. Everything was like, no, don't worry, go. Yeah, like, you were just so chill. Let's just be on our phones in silence. Love that. Like, if. You were the best. Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Thank you.

[Michaela]

Yeah, it was crazy. I was actually, like, so relaxed. I was like, wait, this is amazing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't really travel that often either. I think I'm very much like, whatever happens, happens, you know, kind of giving that. And also, it was, like, such a short flight and not very complicated airport or anything, so it was a little.

[Michaela]

Yeah, well, I know I went the wrong way. And we got off the plane and everyone was going this line, and I went the complete wrong way to a different jet.

[Trisha Paytas]

No one said anything. Well, you saw it. You were so far ahead. I think you were, okay, we get off the plane and then it's just like, we dropped off, like, outside. You have to, like, go into the hangar or whatever. And you were in the first seat, so you were logistically the first off the plane. I was, like, waiting for a second to get my bag, but I feel like you were paranoid about being slow, that you were going. Really?

[Michaela]

Always. Always. I'm always booking because I'm the slowest,

[Trisha Paytas]

like, a mile ahead of everyone. And all of a sudden I see, like, the people ahead of me. Going way. And you're going all the way to, like, where the plane is supposed to, like, enter the hangar.

[Michaela]

Yeah. There was, like, another plane.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then they, like, walk in, and I'm like, wait, where'd she go?

[Michaela]

Why didn't you be like, hey, Trish, everyone's going this way so far.

[Trisha Paytas]

You literally walked into the hangar. By the time I could even.

[Michaela]

Yeah, Someone in there was like, you're have to go that way. And I was like, why would no one tell me that? No one was directing me that way. It was the biggest door open. It was, like, this big. But then there was, like, a little Dora who would even see that. And I was. It was hot. The other thing, it was hot. And I was full glam. And I had to have that glam last until, like, 10:00pm that night. And I was like, I cannot set this glam off. So I'm like, let me just, like, go. Yeah, Quickly, swiftly, into the air conditioning. And then it took me, like, so much longer. And you were vlogging. I was like, hello. Like. You were like, hey. Other than that part, you were the best travel companion. But I was like, also, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

I couldn't tell which one was the correct way to go at first because you were also walking so, like, confidently and quickly that I'm like, maybe that's the right way. But then the couple in front of me was going through this little door, so I also stood out for a second and be like, which one? And then I just, like, went with a couple. So I chose them over you. Yeah.

[Michaela]

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[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, you.

[Michaela]

But they're, like, not as expensive as you think. Like, to go to Vegas, maybe like a few hundred dollars. Like, it's out of Burbank, which is, like, way closer to us. Which is good because Oscar also pointed out that, like, if we went to lax, that is where the World cup is. And, like, my dancers, everybody was, like, delayed coming back. It was, like, a mess. Like, everything. My dad, it took him like, four hours to get up here, which normally takes me an hour and a half.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, yeah, the. They closed a lot of the freeways and stuff because I kept saying signs. I was like, avoid. Avoid driving. Take public transportation. I was like, girl, how the hell are we supposed to do that?

[Michaela]

Right? Well, we didn't really have to because we're in the Valley and that Burbank was lovely and nice, and you do just get on the plane, which is really great. Get off of it. The car was, like, ready. Everything was. Everything was good except for the heat. The heat was insane. But, yeah, it was. We stayed inside. Even inside the hotel, though. I was sweating when we were walking, and I was like, I can't even go. And then we. Well, we did. We did go the wrong way. We did go about 30 minutes the wrong way. And then we asked someone for help, which you weren't great at asking people. Oscar definitely will ask everybody. I think people were just also very confused on where they were sending us because, like, we were asking people, and then they're like, that way. And then we got a certain way, and then they actually know you have to go back to where you came from. And I was like, we just hiked 30 minutes. Like, I. That's when I was like, I think I might need to go to the room because I was going to pass out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Tea. Because we tried to, like, actually, you know, do things we did in a small window. So we were like, oh, let's go to the shops where Michaela and Nagara blacked out and then bought all the Chanel. I'm like, that's kind of like A historic site.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I blacked out. Like, that's the vocal sim. Like, I need to see the origins of that, as if I'm going, like, on a religious pilgrimage or something. That's kind of what it gave. And the hotel is really close to those shops.

[Michaela]

Connected, basically.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

But thank you. Thank you for following my instructions. I was like, whatever you do just sent her the wrong way.

[Michaela]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

Don't let her get to the Chanel show.

[Trisha Paytas]

So we got lost for a while. And then she was like, I need to take a break. I was like, actually, the moment I knew you really needed to go up to the hotel room and not come back out was when, like, lovely girls. It was, like, one someone's girl's birthday and they asked for a photo. But the gag is their diabolical straight boyfriend was, like, a little tipsy. It was like, who's this? And I know that's, like, your number one thing. So after that, I was like, oh, we need to get her up.

[Michaela]

That's what. I bolted. That's when I.

[Oscar]

That's very Vegas.

[Michaela]

And I was ignoring it the first time. I was ignoring it the second. And then he did it again because the girls were taking a minute. I'm like, girls, I have to get somewhere by one. And where I had to go to was my room, because it was 1255. And I was like. Because then all of a sudden. And it's not a bad thing, but you stop for one. And then in the casino, it just becomes like, I told. I told Oscar this. Well, thank God people came up to me, because sometimes I tell people I'm like, this in Disneyland. Vegas and Disneyland. And I'm always gonna get bombarded.

[Trisha Paytas]

No one's gonna care.

[Michaela]

I know. But then it was. And then it becomes a swarm. And it's always Vegas. It's always dis. Anywhere else. Like, no one really cares. Maybe an airport.

[Trisha Paytas]

I hope it doesn't help that, like, there's posters of you in Tana Mongeau.

[Oscar]

That's why you should have told that guy. Read the signs. Like, oh, my.

[Michaela]

I know somebody did ask. I think, like. And they were nice. I think they were like, a fan. Like, what are you doing here? I was like, I'm in a show tonight. But okay. No, but yes, that is the part. And they were, like, getting their digital camera. And then, yes, the drunk boyfriend being like, who are you? Who is this?

[Oscar]

I'm like, we had that when we went to see Donnie. I think, like, we were, like, running to get there. And there was this guy that was filming, and he made tick tocks about it and all that because we mentioned it also. What was that?

[Michaela]

What was the tick tock? He was something like she was. And I stopped. I stopped, too.

[Oscar]

Yeah. You got to say hi and everything.

[Michaela]

Yeah. And it's not long enough or something. I don't know.

[Oscar]

Yeah, we just didn't have. We were running late to the show.

[Michaela]

Yeah. And I was stopping because, you know, I love. It's like going to Benihana. Right. If I'm going to Benihana and it's my church trio, like, I'm gonna say, I'm take a picture with everyone. I'll get up out of eating. I don't care. Like, I'll let go. I went to everyone's table the day we went with Tana. I went to people's tables. I, like, pretended to be their chef. Like, I love it because, like, hello, I'm there for that. And I was excited because we were together and so many people, like, were so shook to see me and Oscar, because I think they were, like, kind of shook to see you because, like, obviously, like, we don't travel that much together, and obviously you don't travel a lot at all. Yeah. So I think. Because then they were like, Oscar. So they were just kind of, like, gagged, and that was fun. Like, I, like, I love that. I loved it. Until I was. Yes. I was getting hot. I was getting over something. We had to walk back. And then the drunk boyfriend. And then I was like, okay, can we take this picture? Because I gotta go. And then I just started doing the running selfies, and people were running and selfieing because I just. At that point, I was getting lightheaded. And then I asked about a beta blocker. I'm like, have you tried a beta blocker? Oh, yeah. Because people swear by these beta blockers. I swear everyone I've been talking to, like, really?

[Oscar]

That's so like, five years ago or

[Trisha Paytas]

10 years ago, they're like, the thing.

[Michaela]

They're the thing now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

At the ca Party, everyone's like, I had a beta blood blocker.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, everyone wanted brush. Stonefield's giving them as, like, present presents when she goes on podcasts.

[Michaela]

Wait, bro.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

What podcast?

[Trisha Paytas]

She went on Clubcast, and she was like, here, Paige, I brought you a present. And then it was some.

[Michaela]

Is it. Is it like, do you have to get it prescribed or you can get it over the counter?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think you have to get it prescribed. But it's like, you know, how you can get anything prescribed by one of those web doctors.

[Oscar]

Because it was like, you know, all the podcasts, like the man podcast, like 10 years ago, that's all they talked about. Beta blockers, I would take a better walker and all that kind of stuff.

[Michaela]

Like a Joe Rogan would take one.

[Oscar]

So I think now they kind of migrated to a different market.

[Michaela]

Yeah, well, that's an interesting, interesting transition. Yeah, like, that's what must work if everyone's doing it. If the, The.

[Oscar]

Well, I can tell those guys don't do it anymore. So I don't know.

[Michaela]

Wait, why?

[Oscar]

I don't know. I mean, to me it sounds very placebo.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like the clavicular and stuff. They want uppers. No, I mean.

[Michaela]

Oh, assuming. Yeah, I don't. I don't know why. Anyways, all the girlies I know were taking them and I was like, well, maybe I should take it because I could just, like, release you. Because I did get a little anxiety because then I was just like. I also was, like, hungry but couldn't find the right kind of food. I was just like, I'm just like, I don't know. So I was just very much like, let me just lay down. Also, like, we were go, go, go. Cause your room wasn't ready. That's what it was. We were gonna rest and then Oscar's room wasn't ready. Well, we all, like, hung out my room, but I'm like, we should just go now. And then I come back and rest. I mean, it was just like, yeah, we were trying to get those giant mozzarella sticks, but sometimes it's just not gonna happen. But I was gonna try and rally. But yeah, once you're in that AC and you're like, laying down in bed, I was like, I think this is. I think this is it for me. Because also, just knowing we had the sound check and the meet and greet and all that stuff, it was. It was crazy. It was a. It was crazy. But then did you end up going. You went to the shop, so did you end up going to Swig?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I didn't go to Swig because it was like a 20 minute drive. I know Paige and Molly and maybe Amari too.

[Michaela]

Oh, they went.

[Trisha Paytas]

They ended up going to Swig. I don't know when it might have been like after sound check or something.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because they were posting tick tocks and stuff.

[Michaela]

Oh, you didn't go then what'd you do after sound check?

[Trisha Paytas]

I had to go into my. I got my room and then got ready I see.

[Michaela]

Okay. Okay. We had a sound check, but we didn't really rehearse the sound that part, because everybody was there, and Holly and Oscar and Paige and Molly. And then I was like, okay, let's. We should probably go through. I don't know if we ran time. I don't know what happened. And then we were gonna try and rehearse the bowels. I was like, we got the bowels. But then the bowels kind of. I mean, it's fine. We kind of. At the end. I did see it at the end, because I love a final bow moment for pictures. So, like, Naz is behind us, ready to get that, like, video of all of us, like, up and then down with the crowd. And then, like, one half was up, then it was, like, a ripple. Then you guys. You guys double ripple. Down there? Yeah, down there. There was, like, a couple waves down there. I was like, I love. Okay. I love it. But, you know, me being. It's so funny when you have to, like, combine two different. Like, the way Tiana does a show. On my show, I'm just, like, very much like, I think I'm a little. I am a little Taurus, a little anal, a little stubborn, and those kind of things. I'm just like, oh, man, we didn't get the bout. But then I'm like, does anyone care? I guess not. Afterwards, it's like, who cares? But in the moment, I'm like, like,

[Oscar]

it's one off. It's one show. Usually shows start chaotic, and then when you're on tour, by the fifth, tenth show, you got it right, you know?

[Michaela]

No, you guys nailed it, though. Honestly, like, I was like, I. I'm always so out of my element if I'm not, like, I don't know. I guess that's why I like to sing and dance, because I feel like there's. Okay, there's, like, a story, and then there's, like, another song to go and. Because there wasn't. That was, like, all talking, and I was like, oh, my God. Like, is this interesting? But I guess people are like, Moses said, like, people just want to, like, listen to it. Like, it's, like, podcast live all the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

You guys were really good. Like, Tana was just going through it that day. So I was a little worried because we get off the. We get to the hotel, and the first thing we find out, do you know where Tana is? We're like, what?

[Michaela]

My tour manager. I'm getting texts from people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, she didn't check into the hotel. We're like, is she good?

[Michaela]

I know. And when she told me later, she didn't know it was, like, this big. I didn't know. Usually they just give us, like, red rooms. It gives, like, this big. She went after the show, she goes, I didn't realize it was, like, this fancy.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was like a three bedroom, three bathroom.

[Michaela]

I literally like, do you want to lay on the bed? Like, anyone who wants to lay there, like, go.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because there was, like, so much custom can.

[Michaela]

Oh, that's right, Those chocolates. And then she had chocolates in her room. I wanted to see. That's right. And they're like, oh, haven't heard from Tiana. And then he's like, okay, five minutes ago. Her tooth is bad. She's not gonna make sound check. She has to find an emergency dentist open. I was like, what? I knew she was having teeth issues, and that's why she, like, wasn't here day. She had to get it fixed today. But I knew she was having teeth issues. But then we saw Devin in the hallway, and he was like, in that same hallway where all the everything was happening. And he's like, dana's tooth ruptured. And I was like, oh, my God. I was like, what?

[Oscar]

I didn't know teeth can rapture.

[Michaela]

I didn't know what that meant either. So then I text her. I don't want to, like. I was like, oh, my God. I'm like, okay. So I really. Spitting at this point. I was like, what if her tooth ruptured? And it's like, it can affect so much. I'm like, the show. Does it go on? I guess we have enough people to, like, make it happen. But does she come for, like, a minute and say hi and then leave, or does she come at the end or, like, just not happening at all? Like, I was. I was really trying to, like, pivot, obviously. It was, like, so serious. So I was just like, okay. I was like, yeah, I was so. And then she came. She came to sound check.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's the guy. Because we weren't even expecting her at all. I found Paige and Molly outside, and I was like, like, maybe we should go to soundcheck as my Paige, especially if Tana's not there. Like, maybe you can pass along any info or something. And they were like, yeah, okay. Like, let's go check the sound. I was like, period. Okay. Then we went up to your room to all go down together.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And even the whole time, Paige hadn't really heard from Tana either. So we were all, like, assuming she wasn't gonna be there. Cause that's kind of what we were told. And then we opened the door, and who do we see but Tana Mongeau and Holly Madison? And I was like, work professional.

[Michaela]

I didn't know either. Cause she hadn't responded to me, and I was just like, oh, my gosh.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you. Paige didn't think she was gonna go.

[Michaela]

She made it. And she was, like, in full glam. She looked, like, beautiful. She was like, study. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then she. She's very. Me, too. Where we both talk very hyperbolically. So I never know, like, how serious it is.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

She really did go around. She'd be like, it's so disgusting. Do you want to see it? And I was like, yeah, actually, she. I was with Paige and Molly, and she goes, paige, I'll show you. But, like, Oscar, I don't want you to see it. It's so gross. I was like, wait, no, like, I want to see. And it really was coming out. That was.

[Michaela]

Oh, you saw. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

She's like, receipts. Yeah.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She opened that thing, and I was. I took a look. I'm like, damn, you're being serious.

[Michaela]

Yeah, No, I knew she, like, needed. She's been eating work. Like, I mean, literally. We've been stalking that love line since March because she was, like, supposed to get in April, and that didn't happen. And then she was supposed to get this week, and it was, like, gonna be postponed because it's her birthday week, but I think she had to go today or something. So, like, I mean, I didn't know it was serious, but, yeah, I know what you're saying. Like, I never. Some people also underplay it where it's like, maybe you are good. Like, especially teeth. We always talk about this because I didn't go to dentist for 10 years, and then I heard a podcast be like, it affects your brain. It could, like, kill your brain and send a brain aneurysm. Okay, let me get my teeth done. So, like, it is important to you. And I was, like, really nervous. I was like, oh, my God. The day of the show, teeth are very painful.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, once they come in. So. And she has to do a lot of talking. So I was also worried for that. I was like, how much talking is she gonna be able to do? But damn, I was actually so impressed because she really had that on lock. Like, she had that thing figured out.

[Michaela]

Yeah, yeah. Her and Kyle, which is like, a videographer, but I guess he's like, her a main producer. Like, he's so sweet. He's, like, so nice. He, like, literally is with her 24 hours. They were still in Vegas together when I called her on day and they were filming, like, brand safe. It's so impressive because they do, like, all these graphics. Like, I remember they said they were taking, like, a long time doing these graphics, and I was just like, even the Tana and Trish, like, take Vegas. I took them so long. I'm like, just put the poster up there. Like, that's what I do. You know what I mean? Because no. For pictures. And I'm like, I do appreciate it because then, like, that's how I am with, like, music. But I like what they did. And, yeah, they did this game with, like, slot machines and, like, all this, like. I don't know. It just looks complicated. Like, I could never even begin to figure that out. So it did start with technical difficulties. Not. Not. It wasn't. I don't think it was anyone's fault. We think it might have been the. The playback is what they thought was maybe it was the. I don't know what happened, but the first video started and it just kept repeating itself on pretty much a 20 seconds. It would get 20 seconds, stop, then replay. 20 seconds stop, then replay. And the audience was like, one more time. Because it was, like, doing that, like, four times. And, like, bless the audience for being so sweet, like, one more time. And then we tried again, and then warried to her manager. He's just very much, go to Viva. Go to Viva. And then I was like, but what if Viva skips? Like, that's what I was worried because we were singing. We have a track, it's called the Chibi track, where, like, the. It goes down for, like, the verses and, like, amps up for the chorus. A lot of people do it, whatever. And so we did have that, but then I'm like, oh, we're gonna have, like, a million moment where it's just, like, repeating. Like, that would be so, like, what do we do? Like, that'd be so. Luckily, the rest of the show was so smooth, but for some reason, that first video did not play, and we never. We never got to the mystery. It was really cute. I'm really sad about it because we did put some time into it, but what are you gonna do? The performance went good. Yeah. The podcast segment. God. We had Holly come on and do a little.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was.

[Michaela]

It was like. It was like F. Mary Kale, but it was like. It's called something else. Jackpot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Fold play. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that was it.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I think that was it. That was. And that was fun. And then we had flopskir, flop cast and Oscar, Gracie, your names are look. So it was like, Oscar, Gracie and flop. And you guys came on with a little choreographed thing, which I didn't even know about.

[Trisha Paytas]

We didn't know either until about 30 seconds before we went on stage. I think Molly was like, we should do a little. A little choreo. A little choreo. Paige choreographed it.

[Michaela]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was a little one, two, one, two, strike a pose. And we're like, okay, got it. And then we went out and did that. That was fun.

[Michaela]

People were gagged. People were so gagged for you guys to see you guys.

[Trisha Paytas]

We were gagged. It was like, so. Because we are just like, I don't know, we flopped our way to the top, I think. So we're just very gagged.

[Michaela]

That's a song.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. That's gonna be my Instagram caption. Because it is very that. And it's just like Molly was in tears. Like, like she said I was the highlight of her life. Like, she was so happy.

[Michaela]

She's so young, right? She's 22.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

So young. And then Paige is so young. She's like 27. And then you're so young. Like, it is crazy because we're all like five year gap. So like Tana and Meg, which is like her since like a five year gap. They're like 27, 23, 27, 22. And then same thing with Paige and Molly. They have a 5 age gap. And then you and me are 5 age gap. But then now me and Molly, what is that, like a 15 year age gap or something? Like that becomes so crazy and so apparent. Like, I always do feel so young until I'm around a young person. I'm like, oh, but they do have so much ambition. I mean, and I do like that, like, Molly is like so ambitious and just is like moving across the way. And she works in a museum and she's doing this and she's doing like. So it's like doing the most. I'm like, damn. I guess it's just when you're younger, you just have more stamina, I guess you do just try everything because what else are you gonna do at that age? It's like, just try it all. She was really funny. And of course, Paige is so funny. They were good. Everyone was so good. You guys were so good. But you know, it always, you know, me and like, like I couldn't hear either. Okay. So in General because I want the floppycast girls on. But I'm like, you guys gotta come one by one because talking. Obviously Moses. People think I, like, hate Moses, but it's not. It's really just me. Like, I focus on you and Moses knows and he doesn't care which he chimes in. And that's what's great. If we had a third co host always chiming in, I would be like, over Stimul. I would just be like, okay. Because it's a lot. Like, I don't know how people do it. It's such a talent when there's like, seven co hosts. I, like, love it, but also, like, so much and so on stage. Anyways, I got originally, but I also couldn't hear. So I remember, like, really focusing, just trying to hear like this. And with Holly, too, I couldn't hear. I think it was something with the monitors that were not playing back because I could see talking. But we were like, me and Tana were talking over you guys. But I think it was like, Molly would be answering a question. I'm like, wait, what? And then be going on to the next already. And I was just like, ah. So I think it was a problem with the playback, too. I don't think anyone noticed, but for me, I'm just very much like, I. You know, I was trying to, like, engage and be like, okay, tell me your categories. And then, like, telling. But I don't think anyone heard on. It was, you know, it was good, though. Did you have fun?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Our game Slots and Scandals. But Tanner's very good at these. These little games. Like, that's really cute.

[Michaela]

So good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

And that was, like, perfect for the vibe.

[Trisha Paytas]

I loved our introduction was hilarious to me.

[Michaela]

What was it?

[Trisha Paytas]

The sound check. I remember I was like, oh, that's news to me. Because Tiana was like, Trisha. Like, we're so brand safe now. Like, we don't really like to rock the boat, but, like, lucky for us, we have new generation who loves to get messy, messy, messy girls. Oscar and Flopcast. And I was like, oh, I didn't know that was.

[Michaela]

You are the bestie. You are the bestie. I'm very much like. And I love it. I support it. I'm glad I have you.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I'm very much like, Oscar kills me.

[Michaela]

I can't say it, but Oscar can. And I feel that is so funny. I guess that is kind of the same with them. I guess they kind of just say whatever. And me and Tana are very Scared to say.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, especially Molly really is not afraid to say whatever. Yeah, she's very passionate. But, yeah, it is.

[Michaela]

No, I love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's the age.

[Michaela]

I get it to do it. 23, when you got nothing to lose.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it. Meanwhile, though, the dichotomy, because Tana live, she'd be saying whatever. She's like, james Charles and Epstein have islands for a different reason. Like, she's saying the craziest stuff. I'm like, oh, I thought I was messy, Honestly.

[Michaela]

Me too. Honestly, I'm like, that's true.

[Trisha Paytas]

All of a sudden you're saying all these things like, oh, Moses is parting my seas, if you know what I mean. And I'm like, geez.

[Oscar]

What? I'm always worried when I'm not de there. When I'm not there, I'm just like. I just know.

[Michaela]

Especially when it's just talking, it's giving. Like, give. Let's give something. Like, let's give something. You know what I mean? Because I really feel. I know. I don't know. Well, t. Because she. It's so funny because I do get a little, like, blushy when it comes to sex. But when, like, tan is, like, so open and talking about, like. And stuff like that, I was like, oh, my God. Like, I'm like, okay, Trish, get, like, channel something. And then I do the Mr. Beast thing too. Me just, like, spilling the tea. Like, me and Tana both said, well, I think Tana's, like, friends with them. So I was like, oh, my God. I'm like, so sorry. Like, I shouldn't say anything, but I was just like, me. Like, we both got offered to the mystery show, and we both said no. And then I was like, oh, my God, Maybe I should have said that because she is, like, friends with them and stuff. So I don't know. Sometimes I do get a little hallways. I always say. I'm sure I said, Shane Dawson stories. I'm like, oh, my God. What did I. Just stuff, you know, just I. I do black out. That's my disorder. It is. Because it's just, like. It's a lot of pressure. I don't know. Just talking. And then it is funny because it's like, we're not gonna be messy and just, like, all the canceled faces behind us. I mean, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. The concept of the game, for context, too, is like, who would be most likely to, like, do an AI apology video? Then it's like, every disgraced or canceled person and then some cuties in the. In there as well.

[Michaela]

Yeah, we have like an Addison and you and Tana. Well, I mean, we definitely had some categories for ourselves for sure. Yeah, it was. It was. Oh, yeah. I think I was defending clavicular on point. I'm like, I like everyone be nice to his nose. Like, I'm like, why am I defending him when everyone else on the stage like his nose? And I was like, oh, my God. We just trying to be a pick me because we need to be nicer. I don't know. I don't know what happens at a live show. I am so sorry to everyone, to Tanner, to everybody, to you guys. I just. I get a little. I get a little anxious. I just. Thank you so much to SeatGeek for sponsoring this episode of Just Trish. Ariana Grande is in LA and it has been sold out for so long, but boy, am I tempted when you are scrolling social media and you're seeing everybody front row live recording, you're just like, I want to be there. I just saw Shania Twain opening for Harry Styles and I'm. I want to see who is next opener is going to be. Social media is like persuading me to all these shows that I didn't know I wanted to see. And then I go to get tickets and like, they're already out, but they're not out on SeatGeek, baby. Oh, no. SeatGeek is giving you those best tickets, best seats, hardest to find tickets in town. SeatGeek has you covered. With over 35 million downloads, SeatGeek is the number one rated ticketing app. There are more than 70,000 events listed on SeatGeek, including concerts, sports, festivals, and more. So grab your tickets today. SeatGeek has your back. Each chick is rated on a scale of 1 to 10. So you know you're getting a good deal. Look for the green dots. Green means good, red means bad. Plus, every ticket is backed by their buyer guarantee. They have great customer support as well. I like to see what's closest. Okay. I like to see what's closest. I like to see the best bang for my buck. And going getting tickets the day of is kind of a little hack because sometimes those guys people be desperate. Like, I just want to get read these tickets. We can't go anymore. And you'll find some really good deals. So if you're thinking like, I want to go to a show tonight, you can get that done on SeatGeek. Concert season has officially started. To make it even better, you can use code TRISH2026 for 10% off your SeatGeek tickets. That's Trish2026 for 10% off your seatgeek ticket tickets. That's 10% off tickets with promo code TRISH2026. Make sure you click the link in the description to download the app and have the code automatically added to your account so you can use it later. Thank you so much to SeatGeek for sponsoring today's episode. It was fun. It is like a family reunion. Like, it really is. Like the amount. I mean, it really was. I think every. I think I've seen everybody at least once that was at that show. Like, I think I've seen them. Maybe they come to a show before. A lot of them. Like, you know, Tana show. Like, it was such a cool crossover. Like, it really felt like family reunion where I just knew everybody. As soon as I went to the main group room, you would recognize everyone too. As soon as I went in there, I was like, oh my God. I like know every single person. So it really was Daphne who had. I think, I don't know if you met her or not, but she turned. I've been pregnant at the same time every time, except for Elvis. Like me and her. Her first born son and Malibu are like a two days apart and her second born son is one day apart from Aquaman. So we've always been pregnant at the same time. She came to Alma like three of my tour stops last year. So she came this time with her baby, her death, her 10 month old baby. And it says I too cry on the kitchen floor. He was so cute. And it was just so weird because I just had seen her pregnant last year on tour. And then she cured my baby about to be one and I was like, oh my God. So it's just like, it really is just like catching up with everybody. You're like, oh my gosh. Or people who just got married or divorced or what? Just like, oh, it's crazy. And then, then there was a lot that I saw in London. There was Daniel and then there's a brother and sister duo from Chicago that were just in London and they came here. So it really is. And likewise Tana people had tana tattoos. They saw her at Tanacon. Like it was just like, it was just so. It was. It was really cool. It was a cool experience. It was really fun. Everyone was super gagged to see you. I did take a nap in between after the meet and greet. I literally went and like slept for an hour. But it was good. I needed that because we were like a half hour late to the show, I think, but I think. I think that's normal.

[Oscar]

I think.

[Michaela]

Yeah. I had to sleep for a good hour and then I was rested. But man, we made it last. That glam lasted. There was a ton of people. I had to just sleep. Did you go home? Did you just go to the hotel and sleep after or the whole show?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I certainly did not go out. I went up to my room, I ordered a pizza, and then I called it a day.

[Michaela]

From the room service or from somewhere else?

[Trisha Paytas]

Room service. Yeah. I was so tired also because I woke up like 3:30 that day and it was like 10ish by the time we finished, I was like, I was so ready to do nothing.

[Michaela]

Yeah, probably by the time we got back to the room, it was like 10:30.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Yeah, that was.

[Trisha Paytas]

I told I was gonna have Jimmy and Dallas come up to my room to watch Drag Race, but they had to go back and take care of the dogs because. Yeah, they had to drive up specifically because they had to bring their dogs with them. And then they didn't want to leave the dogs alone for too long.

[Michaela]

Yeah, they couldn't be in our hotel because of the dogs. Or I think the dogs could have been, but they were one of them at an Airbnb or something and they had their whole car situation. So I was like, oh, my God, how's your back? And the rental car, they were like, so sweet to come up. Like, Jimmy and Dallas came up and I was. Was like super cool to see them. Yeah, it was cool. Like so many people came out to support Lydia. My agent was there. So many of Tana's people were there. It was. It was cool. Amari's mom brought me a peanut butter fudge pie. How'd she get that in? I guess she came backstage. I was like, I got this pie for you. And it was so cold and it was like this fudge peanut butter pie. Shout out, Deborah. It was so nice. Like, actually first time meeting her. I guess she just heard about me talking about on that Loveline, that I wanted this peanut butter pie. It would have been your worst nightmare. It was just waffing peanut butter up my nostrils. And I loved it so much. It was like eating peanut butter from a jar, basically. And it was so good. And then I was eating, I was like, oh, this nostrils would be like hating this right now. But it was so good. It gave me so much life after that. Yeah, I had the pie and then, yeah, Tana musta, she texted me like, 4:30 when I was getting up. She was like 4:30. I don't like, obviously not like partying or anything like that, but she must have stayed up for a minute. Well, she's like a late person. She gets up like noon and then. So that makes sense. But it took me a while to wind down. I think it was like midnight when I finally went to bed. Because I loved looking at, like, TikToks and stuff. I like seeing people, you know, at the show, some people were going live like they do at the Ariana Grande.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love that.

[Michaela]

I know. There was like a full live. And I was like, oh, I love all this.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love seeing all the videos of your guys's medley. You and Tana performing your biggest hits. And I will say, like, I forgot how hard without you from Tana. Mongeau goes. And I like, we're me and the Flopcast girls and everyone else. We're standing side stage. And then Tanner's performing without you. I look over to Paige and she is, like, bawling, like, she's weeping as if it's like literally hearing Gal Gadot sing Imagine, you know what I mean? Like, the most powerful, like. Like the most powerful song you could ever think. And she was like, bawling, and I'm like, that is beautiful.

[Oscar]

Like, she loves this song.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I guess there is, like, lore. Like, I wasn't aware of this song, particularly because I was like. My original pitch was because I was putting them together, the music with Connor and Connor and Jeremy. And I was like, oh, we'll do, like, when I think of Tana songs, I think of Hefner and W. I'm at the W, I'm getting W's. And I was like, oh, that's kind of fun. But she goes, I think without you is bigger. Which I didn't know. I guess it was like a big thing on TikTok. But she'd never made a music video for it. It just kind of blew up on TikTok. Tick tock. She did it with Mod sun. So it was like a really big song. And I guess, I mean, it is a beautiful song. Like, I actually never even heard it, but it is, like, so popular. Like, people went so crazy for it. And she, like, that is like the big one. It was just a mishmash because it starts with, like, Hefner, which is just so explicit and just so, like, even word I remember. Or I think it was center because I don't. I don't think he remembered it from last year. He was choreographing it. It's like okay. The first one just being so. It's like. It's like this. It's just crazy. It's a crazy song. And then it goes into I love you, Jesus, like, without you, which is, like, very emotional. It's like a very beautiful. And then it goes into, like, freak. It was just a whole mishmashup whatever, but it was kind of everything. It was cute and it was, I guess. Yeah, I guess. She never performed it live. She never did a music video because it was. I don't know what the circumstances were, but it was just like she kind of put it out and it blew up on Tick Tock. And she never got to really fully promote it or perform it live.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I love that song.

[Michaela]

Oh, did you know? I didn't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know the lore behind it either, but I've, like, heard it before.

[Michaela]

It's pretty.

[Trisha Paytas]

And, yeah, I actually really love it. And I. I think I had it, like, on my. In itunes or something, because I remember that. Also the album art for that, too, was, like. It was like, a little understated tease. And I was like, oh, I love this, like, airbag of for Tana, because I remember, like, being there at the time, listening to it. Like, when it came out, I thought

[Oscar]

you guys were recreating again a song from, like, One Direction or something.

[Michaela]

Oh, the. Without you.

[Trisha Paytas]

It could be.

[Michaela]

Yeah, but I can't.

[Oscar]

I didn't know it was hers.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I actually didn't either. Like, when I heard. I was like, oh, I heard that song before. I didn't know it was.

[Oscar]

You know what? I thought it was Post Malone. Oh, I thought it was a Post Malone song. That's what I thought when I heard it.

[Michaela]

I feel like that makes sense. If it's, like, her and Mod sun. Like, that feels like it'd be inspired by a Post Malone song back in the day. Day, like, his circle song, like, all that stuff like that. It was really good. And she's really good at performing. She was really nervous about performing, and she's very good at it. I think she doubts herself, and I always tell her that. I'm like, you're really, really good. But I think she doubts her own performance because I'm like, it was good. It was. It was really good. She's great. Everything. She's very good at talking. That is the one I don't feel as confident in, but she's very good at that. It was good. It was a good little duo. I'm glad we did it. There was a lot of Stress leading up to it, not like on us, but just like a lot. A lot of moving parts. That was just like a lot. But we did it and people liked it. That's all that matters. And I love. I love meeting people. I can't wait to do the book tour where I can just go meet people. I love performing, but I think at the end of the day, it's just like, people just want to meet each other.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

And if there's a show bonus, that's great. I could sing, I guess, at my giving James Charles. Just me with a microphone on the floor.

[Trisha Paytas]

I got new rules. I got him. Your little tracksuit.

[Michaela]

Just out of nowhere, just. I'm gonna sing for you guys in line.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is like YouTube. Dua lipa new rules instrumental.

[Michaela]

I got no moves. I got no choreo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Michaela]

Bring me little onesie. Yeah, that one's a good one too. I mean, he had some hits. There was one more too. That's like, really awkward. Oh, hey. Yeah, yeah. Awful. He's just the worst. But it was good. It's good. And people were very excited to see you. Even like, everywhere we went, people were excited. They're like, oh, my God, Oscar too. I was trying to. Oh, we put up a Patreon blog because I was like, trying to film it secretly. Like, everybody who was excited because I just like the excitement.

[Trisha Paytas]

So funny.

[Michaela]

Yeah, it was cute. I kept most of it in because people were. And they'd be like, oscar. And we like, really. So I kind of got us in there. But if you go to patreon.com just trish. You got a Trish exclusive vlog. I filmed it, edited myself, put it up that day. I think it turned out really good. It's like about a 40 minute vlog and I think we got a lot of good content. You got some behind the scenes. You got some stuff during the show Naz was filming. So I think it's some. I think it's a quality vlog. And it's not a. You see it here first. It's not gonna be anywhere else. It's gonna be only on our Patreon. So go to patreon.com justrush Oscar vlogged on Oscar Gracie vlogs coming soon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe today, maybe tomorrow, but definitely one of these two days.

[Michaela]

Fast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Yeah, that's super fast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I love vlogging with other people because, like, I. When I edit myself, like, it's just me. I make it like very quick. But if I'm having conversations with other people, like, like, it's a lot of Paige and Molly, and they're funny. So my list.

[Michaela]

Yeah, they're so funny. And it's so funny because, like, Paige vlogs too. I'm so sorry. I have to vlog right now. I'm like, oh, but that's, like. It's, like, so fun. It's like nostalgia. I remember back in the day, like, everybody would vlog, but it was, like, fun because you never felt, like, stupid to do it. It's like, okay, my vlog is next. And it's just like. I don't know. I kind of liked it. It kind of reminded me of, like, really old school. Like, even, like, Shane, you know, Drew would do it, and then, you know, Shauna and, like, all these people. And then, like, David, too. Like, obviously, everyone in David's group would be vlogging. So it was giving the best parts of old school.

[Trisha Paytas]

YouTube Tana, supportive queens. She was like, I heard you got a house. I'm like, yes, baby. That's why I gotta be vlogging. I'm like, and I got a CP guy, so you gotta give me a little one, two.

[Michaela]

A little something.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's like, okay, gotcha. I'm gonna say something crazy. She was like, my period just started. I was like, work. Okay, that's my title. Ten emojis, period. Usually.

[Michaela]

She's pretty good at them, that one. I was like, well, maybe you could try it. Do the test.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that'll be my A, B or C option.

[Michaela]

That was really funny. That's right. No, she's. She's always down, even for our thumbnails and stuff like that. She's always down to, like, BM and stuff. She is. She's the coolest. They were all very cool. I had a good time with. With everybody. I was just exhausted after. Yeah, Like, I love. I loved it. And then I went. Just tired. Yeah, the energy drain. But we were pretty good. Even we got there first at the airport. The next morning, I saw someone else from CAA that I hadn't met before. But he came up and he talked to me, and he's like, oh, man, I wish I would have seen the show. But I had this. I was like, oh, were you in Vegas? We were like, in the Vegas airport. I was like, oh, I was just so tired. Me and Oscar gossiping. That was fun. I really talked like that. I think when you're at an airport, you have nothing else to do. You're just like, well, here's the tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know, because I was saving some Nuggets. I was like, I was gonna text you some tea, but I'm like, no, this needs to be like early morning, two girls, just water cooler time.

[Michaela]

That was the best. That honestly was the best because I was so glued to it too, because I was so tired and I was so seated. And then I had so excited because I was gonna text Moses. I'm like, no, I'm gonna give him the person tea too. But then my dad was still here, so I was like, oh, yeah, I couldn't give the tea until later that night. And then it was like, you know, you just love a little T train, I guess, you know, telephone. I don't know what it is. Yeah. Where you're just like, ooh, I. Tell us.

[Oscar]

Yeah, Gossip train.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

That is non toxic training.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Right, Right. Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's nothing, there's. Why is it toxic? Why did you call it a toxic gossip?

[Trisha Paytas]

Because it was about her. I think that's why it was toxic.

[Michaela]

Yeah, well, girl, you're the toxic. The gossip train was just reporting. You know what I mean? Like, don't blame the gossip train. Yeah. Then we just came home at the Bolognese. Husband came home. And then what was it? That was it.

[Trisha Paytas]

My favorite part was when I went to the shops and you were getting. You were resting and I. I went to report live at the Chanel store.

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And there was no service in the Chanel store. So I was like going to see what if they had that bag that Michaela Nagara got, which I found out is a leopard, not a Dalmatian. I think that's where the little confusion. No, it's leopard pony hair. Chanel bag is the one that Michaela has. Has. Because they do have a Dalmatian pony hair.

[Michaela]

Oh, the picture you sent me was Dalmatian.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Wait, so did they have the leopard one?

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Yeah. So I went in and they said they did have a Dalmatian. And I was like, oh, work. And then I took a photo of it. Then I went and reported to you. Oh, no, even before that, actually. I was like, they might have a Dalmatian bat. Like, would you want it? And then you were like, oh, like, maybe you. I can call and place order. You can bring it up.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I was like, okay, that's. That's kind of fun. So when I go in, I was like, hello, I'm shopping for my boss. And I think they thought it was scamming. They're like, where is your boss? And I was like, she's Upstairs at the Cosmopolitan Boulevard Villas Villa 8.

[Michaela]

Look at the billboard outside.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I'm looking for the dalmatian bag. And then they pull her out. I'm like, let me take a photo and send it to her and see what she thinks. And then I walk out and then I come back in. I was like, like, you had said no. Like, I was looking for this one. The one that Michaela had, period. Let me go back and report. I was like, actually, Nina, it's this one. Do you have it? And she's like, no, we don't. I was like, oh, period. Then you can take that Dalmatian off hold. We're not gonna take it. I felt very powerful.

[Oscar]

She hated it.

[Michaela]

No, no. And I hate that so much. Like, I was so. You're like, they have one left. I'm like, I will take it, whatever it is. Because no matter what style it was, I would have taken it 100. You should have done like a tick tock. Like the Mormon wives assistants when they're like, for Jesse, I have a drop off or whatever. You know what I mean? That's like actually so funny because I think I even said, like, you can vlog it. Like, I felt so bad because I would never ask, but you were like, already there. And I was like, okay. And I was like, oh, it's gonna take.

[Trisha Paytas]

But it's like being a ghost shopper, so it's fun for me.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Okay. Because it was. It would have been so bouge. Well, and. And for full clarity, it was actually for Tana. She's been looking for that little bag and I. It's her birthday coming up, and luckily Amari gave me some other tips of stuff she wants. But she's like, actually so hard to shop for too. And she like went so full out for my birthday, so I was like, oh, my gosh. I just outdoing each other for the birthdays because, like, I need to go fall out for her. She mentioned this bag a couple times before we even talked about it. So I was like, my mission was to find this bag. Then her. I even asked her stylist, Justine, who had sourced one for her. But it was like, I think originally that bag is like, I don't know, maybe like 5 to 6k. But the markup people are asking for now, like, the style, not the stylist, but she would, like, find people that have it. They're reselling for like 14, 000. Originally. Originally Tana was like. It was like 8K or something, the resale. So I Like, I'm like, you know what? Like, she got me a ton of stuff, and I was just like, you know what? Like, our show, whatever. You know what I mean? I'm like, let me just do this. Because she's like, everything for my birthday, and she really wants this baggage. I never hear talk about a bag. I was like, okay, maybe 8K. Okay, let me see. I could splurge. And then just seems like it was already sold. So let me see if I can source another one. She goes, now they're quoting 14 to 15k. You get a Birkin for that. I know. I was like, honestly, like. I was like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like. You guys keep talking about it. Probably.

[Michaela]

Maybe that's it. They really want this bag. And I almost did, too. I almost did. I was like. But then Amari gave me another couple things that she liked, and I was like, you know what? Maybe let's get a couple things that I know she, like, wants to. But I really didn't want the bag. Unfortunately, it was not meant to be. And even Tana said. And she and Justin has had that too. Even she was like, even for the ak, that's like a crazy markup for a Chanel at the end of the day. It is kind of would have been cute, but not meant to be this time. But I. When you said there was one in the back, that's why I thought, oh, my God, Like, Vegas would have it. Like, Vegas has all those rare things. I was like, oh, we found it. Like, we're getting it. And I was gonna be so excited to give it to her, like, that day, because I probably won't see her now until after her birthday. So I was, like, really excited about it. And it would have been such a team effort. It would have been such a group effort. Would have been so cute. But that's okay. I wasn't meant to be. And then the other one you showed me, I was like, no, that looked like. That looked like a dalmatian. I was like, oh, I don't want to carry around that dalmatian. You know what I mean? That was. Is that real dalmatian?

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I've only been over this.

[Michaela]

No, we remember we looked up the other one, and that was, like, pony with it, like, painted. But that one you sent me looked like dalmatian. That one was.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it's lamb. I think lamb that's painted dalmatian. I have no idea. I don't know how any of these things work.

[Michaela]

It was not a cute one. That one was not cute. I Was like, oh, no, I was just trying.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was researching live and in the moment.

[Michaela]

Were you by yourself or are you with Paige and Molly?

[Trisha Paytas]

I was by myself because I was waiting for them. They were getting custom Las Vegas. Not custom screen printed Las Vegas shirts.

[Michaela]

That.

[Trisha Paytas]

A little T shirt, but booth, I like those. And we were supposed to meet up. I was gonna meet up with them there. And then I was like, oh, like, let me just go again for the pilgrimage of seeing where Michaela Nagira blacked out. I thought that was so camp to me.

[Michaela]

Was it the crystals? Did you end up getting to the crystals?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Michaela]

Those are beautiful. Those shops are beautiful. And there wasn't food there. Right. Because I was like, I don't think there's food. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Bougie expensive stores.

[Michaela]

That's the one where the infamous Jeffree star Louis Vuitton situation with all that stuff happened. We went through the crystals. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I had no idea it was such a her story. Oh.

[Michaela]

I remember going around with Jeffrey and, like, him just going into, like, Rolex and being like, how much is this? And, like 350,000. He's like, I'll take it. I remember just, like, being so gigged at that time. I was literally living, like, when I say paycheck to paycheck. I had a big paycheck, but I was living paycheck to paycheck, where even

[Trisha Paytas]

if I thought you were spending your entire paycheck.

[Michaela]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was spending the entire paycheck. Granted, I shouldn't. I should have been saving all that. Obviously, we know how that all went down. But I remember. I remember going on that trip because it was the middle. It was February 14th. It was like the middle of the month. And by the middle of the month, I was really struggling. Okay. When I get paid, because it was like, you two paid on the 22nd. Second. So think about the 14th. That's like almost the end of the month until I got paid. So I had, like, one more week of get until I got paid. So I'm really stretching my truly. I'm not kidding. I was stretching my last, like, hundred dollars. So I'm like, not trying to go to dinner. Even the Mariah care is like, I don't want to go. Like, no, no, we got tickets and that was whatever. I was like, okay, fine. Like, I was happy to just sit my butt down. You know what I mean? And he had a private jet also like that. So I was, like, trying not to spend. But I remember walking around everywhere just like, the Louis Vuitton and all this stuff like that. So, yeah, truly, like all those things. Things, whatever. Like, we were like buying all of them or whatever. He was buying all of them. And then I remember the watch being like 250, 000. And he's like, I'll take it. I was like, that's. I couldn't even. I still can't imagine spending that much. But damn, people just. They really do have money. And good for them. Not even like judging, knocking it or anything like that. Just ins. I couldn't imagine. Even now, 8, 000 for a bag. Okay, but it's someone special. It's their birthday. I was like, all right, you know, let me. We're doing a show together. Like that makes sense. But. 250, 000.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Michaela]

That's crazy. Oh, my God. I guess I spent 50, 000 on a rainbow Birkin, but to me, that's like, oh, my God. Like, what were you doing, girl? Like, you should never have that much money. And the universe agreed. The universe was like, we're gonna take everything from you for a while because you don't know how to spend. You don't know how to. You don't have to save, really. That's what it is. You don't do with this money. And I was like, you're right. So, yeah. So, yeah, a lot happened in those Crystals Mall. I want to say Shane and Rylan got their Gucci at that Crystal. I think they were. There was a lot of lore there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Crazy. You know, I felt it as soon as I walked in there. I'm like, there's some chaotic things that are here, for sure.

[Michaela]

We'll just think about the people that shop there. And again, no, nothing. But it is. So it's all just like designer stores, too. It's like, no affordable stores like Hermes and Van Cleef. And it's. Yeah, it's. It's a wild place. It is a. Yeah. I always feel uncomfortable there. I'm always just like, ugh. I just didn't mind.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. The one store I went into besides Chanel was like, oh, there's an aloe. Like, maybe there's, like, things. But then it was like $300 for a tracksuit. I was like, okay. He was like, want to try it on? And I was like, yeah, sure. And then I look at the price. I was like, you know what? I'm going to keep looking around. And then I walked right out the door.

[Michaela]

Yeah, that's me.

[Oscar]

Always.

[Michaela]

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I think that's where it went because then I had to get home by myself the next day. And I remember had to, like, find the cheapest flight possible, which was like 6am on Southwest or something like that. But that's what it was. And then I went to go look for the sandals and the sandals were like, in the trash or not in the trash. I don't know what happened. And then I was like, damn, I have no money now, or something like that. But moral of the story is you don't need to spend money to be impressed. I just saw Maureen from Tarte Cosmetics talk about that, how she's like, you're rich when you're living, like a happy life. And she goes, could I afford a new car? Yes. But, like, like, I don't know. She's like, going into something about how it's like she just likes to be comfortable rather than getting the new car or getting this. Because that doesn't really equate to, like, success or happiness. She was. Or being successful was like living a happy life or a comfortable Life. And I was like, that's, that's where it's at. And comfortable means not buying the new. I always want, like I always want to buy a new car. I'm going to downgrade this car. I'm just like, you know, honestly, it's like I lease it. Even a thousand dollars a month. I'm like, at least car for 300amonth. It really is just being comfortable and not having to stress about money. Then it's like, okay, that's like, that's what rich is to me is like when you're just like that. Because honestly, I was making so much more back in the day, but I was $0 at the end of each month. I was like, oh my God, that was so stupid. Anyways, people probably know this. I'm just saying this for the dummies like me who don't realize this. Just because you make a certain amount doesn't mean you have to spend a certain amount each month. Which is like economic advice. Some people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, some people, Michaela need to hear that.

[Michaela]

Yeah. And that is true because I know she's making a lot. And like anyone really, it's like you can be making so much, but it also can change so quickly. And yeah, just. Or maybe it's just me. I don't know. Maybe I'm the only one who. I'm sure I'm not. Mike Tyson, I feel like lost all his money. Michael Jackson, I feel like it definitely happens a lot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Because you just spend.

[Trisha Paytas]

Spencer and Heidi, they spend a lot. Yeah.

[Michaela]

I have. I just had that clip of Michael Jackson going around. All those expensive aces. Like I'm taking this, I'll take this one. I'll take this one. And they were all like, literally like 50,000 of Ace. And everyone's just like, yeah, I guess at some point just his house. I think that Neverland Ranch was like something like, I don't know, half a million to run a month or something. And I'm like, I get you make a lot of money, but huh.

[Oscar]

Probably it's like running a zoo literally

[Michaela]

in the amusement park of it all. I think towards the end, I think the last five years of life it was abandoned or something. But anyways, sounds. Sounds like common knowledge but not common to everybody. And, and yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you see the designer like the Louis Vuitton brand gift drama on Tik Tok again?

[Michaela]

I thought there was one before.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was like last week I think. Oh no. Oh, it was. God, I'm forgetting the brand. I'll have Jimmy put it in, because I can't check right now, but still out.

[Michaela]

No, it's supposed to come back soon.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was going to put the brand name in, but basically Influencer. She's like a smaller influencer. Like, she still has, like a day job job and everything, but she has like a semi decent, like, maybe like 50 to 100k on Tik Tok. But she got invited to be a part of this, like, brand dinner.

[Michaela]

Oh, you sent this to me. Yes, I did see this. It was.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, this is kind of crazy, but she got invited to be a part of this brand dinner. This brand gave everyone, like, a little Louis Vuitton gift as a thank you for, you know, supporting the brand. And they had everyone, all the influencers close their eyes and they went around and. And put like a gift in front of everybody. And this one girl was the only one out of, like, the whole dinner table to not have, like, a little bag. So they're like, okay, open your eyes. And then she's like, looking around, like, she's like, oh, amazing. And then she's like, looking around, like, to see, like, where hers is. Oh, no. And she was the one person who didn't get one.

[Michaela]

Just one. I thought there was a couple people. There was like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think there was maybe two or three in total. And then there has been a whole bunch of other stuff that came out because of course, every. It went viral. Then every. Everyone was trying to get to the bottom of, like, who the brand was, why she didn't get it. Turns out she was technically like a plus one of like, another influencer. And there was like, maybe like three plus ones in total for the whole dinner. But even with that, like, they were still supposed to get the. The gift. Like a Louis. It was like a Louis Vuitton, like, luggage tag or something.

[Michaela]

Okay. And which those usually are monogrammed as a luggage tag. So maybe they only did it with the influencers that were like, like, rsvp. Because there are really strict. Even with stuff that I've gone to, like the Wicked screening. My friend Ari is always like, if we asked to bring a plus one, sometimes they say no. You know what I mean? For that reason. Because, like, they give you, like, personalized things. But I don't know. I don't know this, like, lore, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, maybe that's why investigating, trying to get to the bottom, like, who the brand was and everything. But then the brand started issuing, like, statements to everybody. So, like, one story was like, that they had three employees that were handing out the Gifts and they misplaced. Placed three of the presents that they were supposed to give. Like, oh, sorry. Like we had them, but we just like put them aside and then we couldn't find them and we found them and we're gonna mail them to you. And then, but. And then everyone's like, okay, so it was three employees that were working and three gifts went missing. So like, did they just take them? Yeah. And then, so. And there was like a whole bunch of discrepancy. They kept sending the statement out, but like the timeline kept being like a little bit different. So I was like, okay, which one is the truth? So it was like a whole bunch of controversy.

[Michaela]

Was it a big brand or. No, it was smaller.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was one I hadn't heard of before.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

And to the original Tick Tockers credit, like, she was like, I'm not gonna say the brand because like, I was just very happy to get to even like be invited to the dinner. I just thought it was like a humiliation ritual. Like she was basically just saying like, it's just embarrassing for me not trying to like shame the brand.

[Michaela]

Well, because she did say. She made a good point point where she's like, everyone's like filming, so you just in case you're in the background of someone's thing, you don't want to be like, oh, you know what I mean? You're just like, oh, yay. Like everyone's getting their Louis Vuitton. Like, yeah, I get it, I get it. That is like. And that is, I mean that is like embarrassing no matter what. So like it is kind of on them, I guess. If someone stole it, that's a whole other thing. Like if the people passing out stole it. But it is kind of coincident if the plus ones are the only ones that didn't get. I think it's like to me it sounds like maybe they just didn't count when they were trying to make an excuse or something. Like, oh no, they were there.

[Oscar]

Presented the tik tok. She didn't say she was plus one. I think. Yeah, it sounded like. Cuz she, she was more in the sense of like the. You'll be humbled pretty fast. Like she, she used more like the word humbled like by the. What happened?

[Michaela]

Yeah, I mean, but if, if they

[Oscar]

have you close your eyes.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Something should be there when you open.

[Michaela]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Oscar]

Like, otherwise you shouldn't be in that table at that moment.

[Trisha Paytas]

Give her a heads up, be like, hey, just so you know, like we didn't have anything ready for Like a plus one. But like we'll send you something later

[Michaela]

or just do it at a separate time. Like if as they're leaving. I don't know. That's weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

There has to be a little decorum, I think. Like if you're gonna. If you're gonna do that. Wild.

[Michaela]

Have you done a brand dinner yet? Like a brand.

[Trisha Paytas]

A brand dinner.

[Michaela]

I feel like you get invited to things like those complex. Was it complex?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they. Well, I've been invited to like activations like or events or whatever. It's really weird. Again, my email for some reason in ET like for Entertainment Tonight. My. They put my Gmail for some reason in like the publicist like database. So I get so many. Like that's why I'm so behind on my emails because I get every little like random press release comes to my Gmail instead of my like my CBS Paramount email or whatever. So I don't know what's to me for like being just Trish or me being like E.T. they sent to every media person. So I don't know know which is which. But I do get invited.

[Michaela]

Okay, so you just haven't gone to one. Maybe you've got invited and just haven't.

[Trisha Paytas]

I haven't gone to anything in a while, but definitely not a brand dinner. Not like a. I don't know if I have either.

[Michaela]

Like, I don't know if I've been to like a brand dinner. I don't even if I got invited. But no, I see like Alexis Oakley going all the time to brand dinners and I'm like, oh my God, how did she get invited all these.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if I'd really be down for a brand dinner.

[Michaela]

Wait, I feel like that'd be your cup of tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would like a little active like if someone's performing like at an activation.

[Michaela]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

If it's like, you know, if it's tarts taking you to the Eternal Sunshine tour, like, that's fierce.

[Michaela]

Are they doing that? I got text Marine.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think RM Beauty has obviously has like.

[Michaela]

Yeah, Alexis went with them. She was there last night with it. And Mr. Oh my God. Everybody. And they got plus one cuz C with Remy.

[Oscar]

Jesus Christ.

[Michaela]

They were all there. Yeah. At the box. I'm like, damn, that looks pretty fun actually.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or who. Who did a box box at yours?

[Michaela]

That was so fun. That was. That was crazy. I was like, okay, just. And they were all up there in their pink juicy tracksuits. I was like, okay. And they'll get gifts. That's what I think the cool thing about like dinners would be, is, like, is like, wouldn't you have been gagged to get a Louis Vuitton little luggage tag?

[Trisha Paytas]

I get gagged for anything free. So yes, I would have been gagged. But like, no, me too.

[Michaela]

Because as someone who buys Louis Vuitton, like, it's not that gaggy. But if someone's like gifting it to me, I'm gonna be like, whoa, like, that's so nice.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I need, you know, I get something free. I'm like, whoa, this is the best. Like, someone sent me like glasses cleaner in the mail and I was like, this is. And I. I'd be using it. I like, this is the best gift ever. Like, thank you so much.

[Michaela]

But yeah, no, I feel the same way. I feel like when it's a gifted or anything, it's like really cool. But did you see the one I sent you or did you send it to me? No, I sent it to you. I think the Joey and gra. Nikita dragon. Yes. They got scammed by the W hotel tales in Osaka.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. This was a whole I love just like influencers coming clean about their own little hijinks. I guess. It's so funny.

[Michaela]

It is so funny. I guess it's good because I guess it's like a good, like awareness to other people. Huh?

[Oscar]

What happened? Because I saw it come in mind, but I didn't watch it.

[Michaela]

You skipped Joey and Nikita Osaka W Hotels scam.

[Oscar]

Something was happening.

[Michaela]

I said I did it for the whole thing, actually. I was like, let me listen to this story. They're pretty good story time tellers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they're good.

[Michaela]

They should start podcasts together. They're pretty good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, you're so right.

[Michaela]

They have good chemistry together. And I feel like Nikita is like, like made it out the other side. So I feel like she has some wisdom. And Joey's Joey. He's been around forever. He is the dinosaur. As she said, she's vintage.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm telling you, Joey bounces off really well off someone who was like a little shady and a little like. And he kind of, kind of hide behind the other person who's like, shady.

[Michaela]

That's true. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I McLaugh Joey's tea. That's exactly.

[Michaela]

Because even he was like. And then I emailed to some other friends. Like, I thought I was the only friend. He's like, there were others. I was like, oh, shady boots.

[Trisha Paytas]

So basically what happened was Joey got an email from allegedly the W hotel chain in Osaka and was like, we want it we love your content. Like, we want to have you be an ambassador. And we're going to invite you for a trip to stay here at the W Hotel. Granted, I'm like, weren't you just in Japan like two weeks ago? Yeah, I'm like, but work. Okay.

[Michaela]

He loves Japan.

[Trisha Paytas]

He loves Japan. And he's like, oh my God, this is amazing. And then he told Nikita, Nikita was going to be also go with him to be a part of this, like, influencer.

[Michaela]

We could apply. So he was basically like, they're like, we're only selecting 40 influencers and you, you guys. And you can apply my. The weird thing to me was Joey's like, oh, he got that sent to him. And he's like, oh, I'm gonna send this to Nikita. And I was like, well, she didn't get. Okay, fine, I guess. But then he's like, then I sent to other influencer friends. I'm like, I don't think you can just send the link to other people

[Trisha Paytas]

as if you're in charge of the influence of my thing.

[Michaela]

Oh, fill this out. Because he's like, I showed to my other friends too. I'm like, fill this out. Me and Nikita got accepted. And I was like, I don't know if that's really how that works, but okay, like if I get invited and

[Oscar]

then I'm like a spoof spray there.

[Michaela]

Right, right. I'd be like, maybe that's why they were like, actually no, not you. But yeah, it was like a form. And they showed the form and. And it was like, it is. It does look like one where you like. I do it for the podcast all the time where you filter information and what's the podcast and your sizes and all that's like that. And they like filled out the form and they're like, okay, could it take two weeks for us to get. It was an all expense paid trip, I guess to Osaka. And then they like got it. They got approved within like 24 hours, both of them. And they were like, both so gagged. And they're like, oh my God, Osaka. But then what? They were like, if they were. Then they were asking for upgrades. Like if you want to lie flatbed, it was going to be like 250. Which they were kind of like. I think they thought that was the first red flag because first class to like, I'm assuming has to be over $10,000 when it's international. So they're like, okay, 250 was for the lie down. And if you wanted to get like A. What was it? A driver was 75. And then they asked for their bank information and stuff. So I guess that's when they knew it was the scam.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

So they did not put their information in.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I. And also, like, the website where you had to submit the form like it did. Joey showed it on his phone. Like, it looked real. Like, I showed photos of all the rooms that you could choose. Yeah. So to his credit, it did look very real. You know, he's got that dyslexia. So sometimes I'm like, are you reading the email correctly, honey? But he really was.

[Oscar]

It was.

[Trisha Paytas]

It looked like a real application.

[Michaela]

So it is confusing.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's crazy that someone went through so much effort. And basically how they. How they ended up finding out that it was a scam was. Nikita had seen another influencer talk about. About this W Hotel Osaka thing. This other influencer on Tick Tock called the W Hotel in Osaka was like, hey, like, I just want to make sure that you guys are running this, like, promotion with, like, influencers. And they were like, no, that's not us. So then that's how Nikita found out it was a scam.

[Michaela]

That's a good way to do it because sometimes those emails do look so really real.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

The bank of America ones. I always had tell my mom, like, do not click on passwords in there. Because they can look so real. Because it's like little things. And I think, like, Bank America, I don't know. There's like, it's a different thing anyways because they can look super real. And sometimes there's like you said, it's like an L like, instead of an I. Like they just are really shady with those kind of things that look so real. But it's good. Yeah, it's a good idea. Obviously. Check at the. At if it's at something and then two, I guess. Yeah, just call if you can and see if they do it.

[Oscar]

Because there's a lot of new, like, aspiring influencers now and they probably are the people that fall into those scams. And because have you seen Pokimane Tick Tock about the scam? She was so with her, it was even more complex. There was an actual person.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

So somebody, I think it was named Stacy or something. Anyway, somebody contacted her team supposedly from, you know, like inviting her to some conference or something. And same thing. Like, everything is covered and all that. But there were some little details that were fishy there. Like she wanted to bring plus one. They're like, no, you can't bring anyone she wanted to make changes. No, you can't do that. Well, cut to the chase. There was a person that was pretending to be the people that inviting her. And to them, that person was pretending to be Pokimane's manager. Yeah. So the middle person was between the two and were promising to them. Pokimane was promising her certain things, but she was gonna be the plus one. She was gonna get all the benefits, she was gonna get all. Everything paid for. So at some point things didn't line up and Pokimane and her team got on the phone with the other side. With this person on the call. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Why was the person on the call?

[Oscar]

Because I'd be like, you know, they probably thought you could just keep running the scam.

[Michaela]

I see you kind of just dodged.

[Oscar]

Yeah, just kind of tried to pretend. Because everyone thinks she should be there, right? You think that she representing them? They think she's representing Pokimane.

[Michaela]

That's so funny.

[Oscar]

And then on the call, at some point they kind of called her out and she just kind of left the call. But I'm saying like, you can be the biggest creator and get into those kind of type of scams. So just be careful out there and make sure to call the actual company like the W Hotel or.

[Michaela]

Yeah, that's crazy. The Pokemon one. Because she said her whole team was like involved in like talking of something. Because it was like five star everything. Like it was something so weird. Oh yeah. The plus one was like so weird. And then like. And then. Yeah, when they got. When she got on the theme with the brand, like, I know you could have. So like that lady was just gonna like show up.

[Oscar]

She wanted to come back right after and they were like forcing her to stay another day or so because this person was trying to shop around, you know.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Shake. Why was this person forcing me to stay another day? Because she had to get home right

[Oscar]

away, make more content.

[Michaela]

And they were like, no, you have to stay like for a full day.

[Oscar]

She.

[Michaela]

What was she gonna do that I was gonna be there this like full day by myself. And none of the other creators, obviously she said, oh, all these other creators are gonna be there. None of them were like gonna be. There was like this really weird thing. Yeah, it was very, very odd. I know there is a lot of scams out there. I mean, it's just because there's a

[Oscar]

lot of influencers and inspiring. That's the problem. You want to get. They're like, oh my God, somebody finally contacted me. I'm probably getting a brand deal. Or invited to something, but then you find out.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I guess the one with the Joey was pretty easy. I guess if someone's, like, asking you to pay for something, if it's a brand trip, like, they probably won't ask you to pay. I don't think ever. Like, they probably. So if you're. That's probably like, the first thing. Because I think the other thing was they were. Joey and Nikita said that they were promised a thousand dollars in cash or something for the trip, and that's why they needed to get the bank details. I don't think that, like, really how it works. It is. It is scary out there, but it. Something's like, too good to be true. It usually is unless you have, like. But again, Pokimane had her whole team and still was. Almost got scammed. But I guess that red flag was like, you couldn't bring a plus one, which, if you're traveling anytime I travel anywhere, they always usually pay, like, Chili's. Anything will pay for, like, a plus one for me. So I think they don't let you bring someone. And if they're adamant about it, it's kind of like. That's kind of like a red flag. Although I guess, like, the LV luggage situation, I guess maybe they didn't want to bring a plus one because it cost them. I don't know. It's hard out there for the influencers. But, gosh, there's a lot of scams. There was another one, too, that I saw on Twitter. That was a scammy thing. And like, no, this is a scam. I couldn't think of what it was. Be careful out there. The Joey one was crazy. It was wild. That In N Out looked good when

[Oscar]

they were eating it.

[Michaela]

He was eating In N Out. Oh, he had a lettuce one.

[Trisha Paytas]

He beat me to it.

[Michaela]

The lettuce burger's crazy. I tried to. And I'm like, I just. Just give me that without the lettuce. Give me just the onion and the cheese. Like, what's the point of the lettuce? It's like golden style. Yeah, but just get it without the lettuce. Because lettuce is what? It's like water. It's like, what am I even eating?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think the point is just no bread.

[Michaela]

So just eat it with just how I do the grilled onion, cheese, hold it, whatever. That's better than eating, like, a little rabbit and this, like, cold. I'm just like, I want to get to the hot meat. I had to get to those, like, Ice.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ice cube first, it's ironically, the TikTok I keep seeing of you pop up in different iterations. Is your ASMR eating a whole head of lettuce? And even Darian brought that too. He's like, when did Trisha eat a whole head of lettuce? I was like, you're asking.

[Oscar]

I saw it yesterday.

[Michaela]

I want to write the whole thing. Did I know you then? Is that what. I knew you? That was in the Don Rosa house, I think. I think that was 2020.

[Oscar]

Right. But I think you probably done it right before we met.

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah. I want to read the whole thing.

[Oscar]

I know.

[Michaela]

I forgot about that one. That was like the beginning of my. Or was it on this channel? Was it on the gestures channel? Channel? I was doing an ASMR channel, but maybe that one was on this one because this one started as an asmr.

[Oscar]

I think so. I think so.

[Michaela]

Yeah. When I was in the pink. Just. Or what was the One District podcast over there?

[Oscar]

I think it was on this channel. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Interesting. Careful out there. I would love Free Ship Japan, though I probably would have been filling that out too. But anytime someone asks me for bank information, anything, I like, never over the phone. I know this is like if now we're just doing a scam psa, but if anyone, like, calls you, I was like, hey, your bill's not paid or something. Oh, that's what it was. It was a doordash. I saw a doordash scam. I said, on TikTok. This woman said she ordered from doordash and then got a call from DoorDash, like five minutes after she placed the order. And they said, we're about to like, cancel your order, cuz, you know, the card system's not working. Can we just like, get your card over the phone? And she's like, no, I'm just gonna cancel my order. And then she calls the restaurant. She goes, hey, I heard my orders about to be canceled. Like, no, it's almost done. Like, we're working on it now. But then people in the comments were like, well, how did they know you just ordered from doordash? Like, isn't that the craziest thing? Because it popped up as doordash too, on her little caller ID when they called.

[Trisha Paytas]

How weird.

[Michaela]

Yeah, so I've been almost scammed that too. When they're like, hey, we're from, you know, Wells Far, Whatever, Chase, whatever. And it sounds like legit. And then like, you just have to read us the card number and you're just like, yeah, I mean that's usually what I know. But you know, just call back, call back the number. If they're like, hey, we're with Spectrum or something, just call them back. I'd be like, hey, did you just call Scams. Scams galore. Why do people do it? Thank you so much to Shopify for sponsoring this episode of Just Trish. I am a proud user of shopifyjusttrish.com I've been using Shopify cause it is the most simple way to get my product out there. It's kind of like having a built in business partner. I was doing it completely from scratch, completely alone. I was like, okay, I have this product, how do I sell it? How do I make it easy for people to get? How can I get help? How can I get assistance emailing people, calculating shipping costs, taxes, all logistical stuff. Okay, I just want to make merch and I want to get it out to you people. But how do I make it seamlessly for both of us? How do I make it effortless that we can communicate with each other? Well that's what I love about Shopify. They are a built in brand partner that takes care of all the business stuff so I can just focus on all the stuff I love and you can just focus on getting all the goods. And that's why I love Shopify. And if you've been thinking about using Shopify, I highly recommend them because they can take the guesswork out of so many things and help you really elevate your business and make it successful. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e commerce in the US US get started with your own design studio. With hundreds of ready to use templates, Shopify helps you build a beautiful online store that matches your brand style. Get the word out like you have a marketing team behind you. Easily create email and social media campaigns wherever your customers are scrolling or strolling. Best yet, Shopify is your commerce expert with world class expertise in everything from managing inventory to international shipping to processing returns and beyond. And trust me, those help so much when it comes to your business. And what if people haven't heard about your brand? While Shopify helps you find your customers with ease to run email and social media campaigns campaigns. And what if you get stuck? Well, Shopify is always around to share advice with their award winning 247 customer support. So start your business today with the industry's best business partner, Shopify and start hearing today. Sign up for your $1 per month trial today. @shopify.com Trish Go to shopify.com T R I S H that's shopify.com Trish thank you so much to Shopify for sponsoring today's episode of Just Trish Camps.

[Oscar]

Did you see Ned Fulmer stand up?

[Michaela]

That was the big one, babe. That was the grand finale. That's what we've texting each other about.

[Oscar]

Oh, really?

[Michaela]

Oh, he texted me and then I texted him. Ned Fulmer posting his own stand up. I was like, posting his own stand up and even add a little laugh track in there and just kept it silent. I was like, no, that was my. That was my 13 reason. That was like literally like, what it has to be Ray J. Like it felt like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know because it's so crazy. And I feel like he knows Ned Fulmer has to know he's annoying and he has to know he gets on everybody's nerves. Like there's. Unless he's so delusional.

[Oscar]

Delusional.

[Michaela]

No, I think he's racist.

[Oscar]

I think he still thinks he's a victim. Even from analyzing his little stand up bit. He was putting himself as like the victim of the situation.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everybody, I'm Ned Fullmer. If you know me, I'm sorry. And if you don't know me, don't Google me. Yeah, I don't know if you know, but I was social media famous at buzzfeed for trying new things and then I cheated on my wife.

[Michaela]

Oh, brother, this guy stinks. But also making it like that's his. Like, that's his brand now. He's like, I'm the guy who cheated on his wife. Like his whole thing is that I was like, wait, what is happening? But like he didn't. Maybe you're right because he didn't enhance the audio at all. Like, you know, because it was just, just like silent after each of his jokes and I was just like. And it was his pose. It was from the netflmer account. I was like. But I also think he's just like raging. Just us in particular. Like, I think no one else cares. And I think he knows that I'm just like. He's one of those. What do they call him, like, incels that, like, hate women or something like that? Like, I feel like he like hates me for some reason and he knows how much it gets under my skin. Because you know how they say, like, okay, Wizard, Liz is teaching me this right now. Like how to. How to defeat a narcissist. I've never really had to deal with a narcissist. In my life. I don't think. I don't know. I can't remember, remember. But like, she's like, you just ignore them. You just like, you let, like, don't let them control you. And so I was like, ned Fulmer knows he's controlling me. He knows he's getting to me and he's like, finally, I've been waiting so long. Take down this. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I think he just like, does it because I'm the only. We're the only ones that care.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I've seen so many tiktoks. Even like, Keith Lee has been reposting Keith Lee. Yes. He's been reposting the food taster. Yes. Because I was like, I look in the comments of these like tick tockers is like making fun of Ned Fulmer. And then all the comments are like, not Keith Lee reposting. This Keith Lee. Keep Lee so messy. Like, okay, I think he's annoying and a nuisance.

[Michaela]

Really. I don't see like. Well, I guess Bill slash covers them. Yeah, I guess me and spill slash maybe, but I don't see like any big react filter Franco covering it. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I guess like, what is there to say other than I'm like, damn, he really need to get a job.

[Michaela]

But oh my God, this stand up is just awful. Like, everything he's trying is horrible. He did wrestling. What else did he try? Everything.

[Oscar]

Definitely the try guy.

[Michaela]

Oh my God, he really is trying everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

At some point it's like, girl, I think we pack it up.

[Oscar]

Maybe it's the fail guy. Like, you need to fail guy is

[Trisha Paytas]

actually kind of funny.

[Oscar]

I'm the fail guy. He looks like. And you should do it as animation form because nobody wants to see you. So it's like he has the most annoying face too.

[Michaela]

I think it's just because, like, he's so annoying and so awful and those. And I think he. I think you're right. I think he thought he ate some of those jokes. I think he thought like, it was just. He could just tell his little smirk just don't like wipe it off his face. It's like, why are you smirking about this? Like, and this is so long ago. I guess like you said, I guess if Keith Lee's reposting, he's getting. That's what trolls like. A troll. I'm not saying narcissist, but a troll. As I know about trolls, they feed off of any attention. And I guess he's getting it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, See, I guess maybe I just don't know enough about him because I, that's where I kind of have trouble with him. Like Michaela, for example, she definitely like rage baits, like with her halls and stuff. Like she knows obviously what she's doing. But then you have like some cancel, like a Colleen who like still talks about everything that happened to her and like, and has no like self awareness about it. So I get like, I go and I waver both ways. Like, is he self aware rage bait or is he like delusional narcissist? I, I think I do lean towards delusional narcissists.

[Michaela]

I do too, because I think there are three separate categories of the people you just mentioned. Right. Like in my opinion, not a doctor, not a psychiatrist. But yeah, like, Ned is giving delusional narcissists from what I've learned from like Wizard Liz. He's giving that, that, that energy. Michaela I think is just harmless troll. And then Colleen, we talked about sinister. You know what I mean? I think there is just like little like, you know what I mean? Because she is aware. She's. No, you know what I mean? I think she kind of has them, in my opinion. But like, I don't know, you know, whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Don't come to us and make a documentary.

[Oscar]

Yeah, just speculation here.

[Michaela]

Yeah, yeah, that part. And I think, I think, yeah, I think that's where they all differ. And I. Oh God, Ned is. Ned might. Oh, I don't know. I don't, I don't want to pick the words. Why wasn't he up there? I don't think it's hit the Tanisphere, the Ned Fulmer because like anytime I try to like bring it out. Because he definitely could have been up there for every category.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was her.

[Oscar]

Yeah, but people really don't care, even our audience. We just enjoy talking about it for a minute. But nobody, nobody cares about it.

[Michaela]

Well, I enjoy talking about it because like, there's rarely like a common enemy. There's really someone that's like always in the wrong. Right? Like you're just always in the wrong. You're never getting it right. And I enjoy talking about it for. It's not just to be like evil, nasty. No, no, no. Like in, in the, in the case that he does see, this is like maybe it clicks, right? Like when someone kept telling me, like, everything you're doing is wrong. Wrong move, wrong move, wrong move. As kind of like, okay, maybe. And maybe if he really wants to turn like, his life around. Like, I think he's enjoying. In my opinion, the narcissism of it all is just, like, enjoying the attention, good or bad. And that's just the kind of person he is. Because, like, how. How. Okay, you did something so shameful and so, like, you kept saying you hurt your wife and so embarrassing, and you did, but it's like, you keep making material out of it. Like, that's crazy. That's like, literally, like, putting. What's it called, like, salt on the wound. You know what I mean? Like, that's just like, literally, like, why do you keep doing that? Especially when you have, like, kids and stuff like that? It's so weird because what did. God, his jokes caught. His jokes.

[Oscar]

I wish I didn't do it. I saved it.

[Michaela]

Oh, we just do a reaction to every single joke he did because it was so bad. It was like, the jokes he made was like, about being on a dating game.

[Oscar]

It's about hard. How hard it is to make guy friends in la. I was like, you had the best group of guy friends in the world and you messed it up.

[Michaela]

And you worked.

[Oscar]

You had the best family and you messed it up. And he's like, and the joke is about that.

[Michaela]

That's right. That's what it was. He started with that joke being like, it's hard to make guy friends. And he ended it with that too, which he brought. Brought it around.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It can be hard to make male friends in la, especially if you don't do things like play pickleball or have a stable relationship. A lot of my friends in the group chat, they're married and they have kids. So the jokes hit different now. You know, my friends are like, oh, gosh, I would just. I would pay any price just to have an hour to myself. And I said, say, my friends, a price does exist for a mere 50% of your net worth in crippling loneliness.

[Oscar]

You see what I mean? Like, he is presenting himself as a victim of, like, yeah, I had a pay. I paid the price. I paid 50%. And I'm alone now. And I'm like, no, that's. That's what you did.

[Michaela]

No, he was so proud of himself at the end when he wrapped it up. And then he was like, you know, now I'm on these, like, dating sites for polyamory. And I was like, oh, this is cool. This is kind of fun. Yeah. And, like, whatever. He's like. Until I was like, oh, and then you get to meet my boyfriend. It's like, oh, I get to meet the boyfriend. Okay. Male friends. Yes. This is how we meet them. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, you know, he thought he ate brie. Full circle. He's like, thank, guys, I'm Ned Fulmer. I was like, this is so good.

[Trisha Paytas]

We need to do a little stand up comedy thing.

[Michaela]

I'm gonna just take his bit.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you did the show.

[Michaela]

Oh, well, gosh.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, anyone's.

[Michaela]

You do it.

[Oscar]

I do have your stand up comedy.

[Michaela]

Oh, my God. We can put it back to back. I love having no WI fi today.

[Oscar]

Honestly, that's why I let you. On the way home, I saved a few things.

[Michaela]

Oh, my gosh. Just the worst, Ned. It's just awful. I mean, just literally, like, I don't know. I mean, he is the. He is like the most annoying, but, like, intentionally, you know, I mean, like James Charles annoying, but, like, he's just. Just a different kind.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's like, at what point do you just give it up? What point do you just pivot? Like, I feel like if he's been too out of practice, like, yes, he does have a college degree, but he has no work experience because a lot of people have college degrees and can't get a job these days because it's just a hard job environment. But like, you would think, I don't know, maybe like, oh, like, of or something. Like a lot of skies. He is white and, like, could be attractive to some people especially. He could be a little gay for pay. Gays will open their wallet. They don't care about your morals. I care about, like, you're schlong or your whole.

[Michaela]

Don't give him any ideas.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's his next.

[Michaela]

If he does, then we know he watches. It's just for us. It's just for you, really. That one.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like, subscribing, but it's what I know. I know my LGBTQIA pluses and I know there's some gift that would subscribe. Yeah. Because there's a lot of, like, disgraced Internet personalities who do. Of. Who?

[Michaela]

Who are you thinking of?

[Trisha Paytas]

God, I'm forgetting his name, but it's. Maybe you'll remember his name. It was the one that drove. He was like, driving really fast in the rain or something and he crashed his car in his first instinct. Like, it was a complete wreck. It was a sports car. Yes. Jack.

[Oscar]

Oh, Jack Dory.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. He's like a punk. He's on kick. He, like, doesn't care about anyone, but he is young. He's on of.

[Oscar]

You know, he's like he did kind of disappear from. Like, I've never still hear about him

[Trisha Paytas]

anymore, but he's still collecting those checks for sure.

[Michaela]

Oh, my God. Ned does that next. I mean, maybe I was trying to think, like, okay, if he's actually watching, we're trying to give him real advice. He wants to stay as a content creator. What is the move? That might be it, I suppose.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's the only option. Yeah. Especially he's into, you know, some kinky things, like.

[Michaela]

Yeah, it's his way to explore and get paid for it, I guess. All right, Ned.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, there you go.

[Michaela]

Good luck, I guess. Yeah, you really have tried everything again. No pun intended. Like, that is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Crazy that he's still trying.

[Michaela]

That's right. He's like, I'm not actually giving this up. He's like, you may trademark try, guys, but you can't trademake trying things. You know what I mean? It's like that's. Is he like, vlogging all this or it's just literally him just trying.

[Trisha Paytas]

He does, like, episodic content where he

[Michaela]

attempts things, as it's called attempting.

[Trisha Paytas]

I forget what I remember. Like, when he did his all like, rebrand press release, it was like, I'm gonna ex. He, like, he used every word except for tries. I'm going to explore different things. Yes. Experience.

[Michaela]

Ah, that is so funny. Oh, gosh.

[Oscar]

That was.

[Michaela]

Was. That was a lot. That was funny, though. That made me laugh.

[Oscar]

You're talking about how hard it is to get jobs. This is an educational part of the podcast. They found out that all the companies now, when you send your resume, they all send it to a third party that uses AI to rank your resume, and you get a score. And basically, let's say you send your application to different jobs, different companies, but they all send it to the same. Same AI. And that AI categorize you with the same score. And basically that's why people can't get a job, even though they try to so many different places, they get the same score and they get. Basically. So anyway, it's an issue, so just know that. I don't know what the solution is. Maybe writing different resumes for different places, trying to use, like, you have to try to somehow fix it, because right now there's a big problem and probably there'll be lawsuits about it too. But some people just cannot find jobs because they're getting the same outcome from all the companies because it's one company running AI on your resume.

[Michaela]

Well, Oscar Taylor's his resume we found out when we were applying for the James Charles. His resumes were tailored to who he was applying. Even when you. I guess, I guess like, like a while ago. Even before just Trish. Like, I was like, when I wanted to like, always work with you, I didn't even realize, like, you. You had sent a resume. But he had like a pink resume for like, when he did it for me. And it was like, it was like, really cool. You always change, like the format of your resume depending on who you're applying to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I also like, it is very that because I had to do like a third party. They have like resume writing services. So like, I applied and this one resume writer did my. Because I really want. I was also planning to work for Marvel and I was like, okay, I need to have this like, specific to Marvel because I was like my dream job. This was like point like 23 or something.

[Michaela]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then he was similar. It was like. So I gave him my resume and then he changed the wording and the order and everything. Because it's like, yeah, it's going to go into this database and if you have to have like these certain words and then that's how you'll get like, picked up other. Because it like, filters out your resume if you don't have like, certain words or a certain like, order and appearance in there. Yeah, it's very weird. So it's like, yeah, again, very classic. Because then it's like, damn. So you have to like, pay someone who knows. Knows what like this AI is doing and how it operates just to like, get you like, I need money, hence why I'm applying to a job, but I have to pay money to get the job. It like, makes no sense.

[Michaela]

Yeah. That is crazy. Your resumes were always really good.

[Oscar]

Thanks.

[Michaela]

You should be a resume writer because you're so good at it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I. I had even the one I sent you, that was what, 2021. 2021.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That one was also. I. I made it pink. But someone like, it was a resume writing service for that one too.

[Michaela]

Wow, that's crazy. I was wild with that. That's wild to see. I didn't even know. I was like, wow, I never. You guys should all apply for me. I never look at resumes. People send me a resume. I'm just like, but if I see someone on TikTok or something, I'm like, maybe this person. You know what I mean? That's how I would hire people is based on what they're serving in their TikToks you know what I mean? Like are you good at editing? I also like persistency. If someone like emails me enough, I'm kind of like maybe this person. I keep seeing their email. You know what I mean? It's worked a couple times.

[Trisha Paytas]

Very James Charles of you though. Like please apply, give me 10 ideas and also a video application.

[Michaela]

I wonder if he ever hired someone. Did he ever use the ideas for many? Anybody?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't the Spirit. Maybe someone gave him the Spirit Airlines idea and then.

[Oscar]

Yeah, crisis VR company.

[Michaela]

That would be so crazy. I blocked him again on everything. So I have no idea what he's

[Trisha Paytas]

doing out there in the world. It's been a little peaceful not knowing what he's up to.

[Michaela]

I would see it in be.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's just too. I. I'm always suited for James Jar's lashings when it's like a public like you know, laughing stock. Like that's kind of fun to me because he does sock again. Similar to Ned Fulmer, I suppose. But other than that I don't really. I don't keep up to date with his doings. And that's helped me a lot mentally, I think.

[Michaela]

Same, same.

[Trisha Paytas]

Although you know who I've been seated for is Joe Joel Sewall.

[Oscar]

Excuse me.

[Michaela]

The cruise that was meant to be ours.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cruise is something fierce.

[Michaela]

I know. I'm so. I actually am jealous of. Of the people on it and her. I want to be in that whole experience of that. I admire JoJo. I always have. For this reason. Reason for the business of it all.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's something fear. She officially launched and finished her Royal Caribbean JoJo Siwa Fan Cruise. And it was a three day cruise on the Royal Caribbean's Utopia. It took off.

[Michaela]

Utopia or Zootopia.

[Trisha Paytas]

Utopia is the boot is the boat name.

[Michaela]

Okay. I love it. Love it. We're Zootopia in this house. We love that. It's our favorite movie. Come on. Come on, get up. You know that I can't be named.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you now you love that song.

[Michaela]

Do you know it? Wait, did I hate it?

[Trisha Paytas]

You didn't know much about it at first. Oh.

[Michaela]

Oh my God. That's like number one in our household right now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah,

[Michaela]

well, he loves Shakira. Come on up. You know again. You know whenever she's dancing in it. He loves that one. Yes. But she's like in her gazelle off. It's her with the gazelle here.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like the music video.

[Michaela]

It looks. Is it really her? It looks almost like AI Shakira

[Oscar]

CGI in a bit.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I Think they cgi. I remember when that came out because I was seated for Zootopia 2 in theaters. And it was something.

[Oscar]

I think nobody really knows what she looks like because even at the soccer thing we talked about, she was there, she performed and people were like, that's not her. Oh, and I think she just wore a wig or something. But. But no, I don't think anyone knows what he looks like because whenever they see her, they don't believe it's her.

[Michaela]

It look like her as a shira. People are weird though. That one in particular, the get on get up one, that one is like heavily filtered.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was heavily filtered, yeah.

[Michaela]

She was looking 12 years old. Really? It's like, damn, she looks young anyways. Yes, we love that in the house.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, well, the Jojo Sibo cruise departed from Port Canaveral, Florida. It was a three night cruise and onboard activities included meet and greets, question and answer sessions, a concert, a Bobo making activity, which sounded fun.

[Michaela]

Oh, I was gonna say we might need to retire the Bobo. Oh, everyone is adults.

[Trisha Paytas]

Girls were gagged for the Bobo making activity.

[Michaela]

Yeah, never mind.

[Trisha Paytas]

And apparently it was a good value because. Shout out swell. She's a YouTuber who reviews events and she went to review the JoJo Siwa Cruise and she said it was actually a good price. Like it was priced fairly because they got to keep all the Jojo diamonds. Sorry, they gotta keep a little bedazzle, like little Jojo gems that you decorate your bubble with. And she said another person who she was making the bow with said, oh, that's actually really good value because these are really expensive. And they gotta keep all of them, like all the leftover.

[Oscar]

The crystals?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, the JoJo crystals.

[Michaela]

I mean, I don't know. Okay, what's the price ticket? I don't know if they're worth like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

A thousand. $1107 for is what the cruise started out. And it was like a package. So like the Bobo activity, the Bobo making activity was included in the package. Yeah, that's okay.

[Michaela]

That's pretty good then. Yeah, it's not bad. I mean they probably got them in bulk, you know, Costco style. Well, yeah, but I still love it. Love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then there was obviously like add ons like for bigger rooms or for like merch and stuff. But the reviews, a full transparency. When I first saw the kickoff concert, I was like, I was ready to clown. And then what was it?

[Michaela]

It was her performing it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not even her performing. It was like her on stage, like greeting everybody and she was like, teasing them as if she was going to do the Karmas dance. And then she, like, edged them a bit. She's like, no, I'm not going to give it to you just yet. She ended up. She saved that for the real concert. This is just like, you know, the. The. Yeah, the ribbon cutting and it looks small. And I was like, are only like 30 people there.

[Michaela]

Oh, I saw that one too. With like the JoJo banners behind her. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was only 30 people on this group. Like, what's going on? But that was just like the. Not even the official kickstart for context. Yes. Because the cruise did sell out, so it was a big deal. Yeah.

[Michaela]

That's amazing.

[Trisha Paytas]

And everyone had great reviews, even swell. Like, she's like, she goes in very neutral. Like, she just gives, like, a really fair, like, assessment. Like, that's her thing. She goes to all these, like, niche conventions and cruises and stuff. And she like, does a fair review. And she was like, everyone's having a lot of fun. There's like, no complaints.

[Michaela]

Oh, wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

That's amazing. That's good. If you partner with the right person. I think that was like, it's like, not to go back, but like the Tanacon at all. Like, she were to partner with, like, the right person, it could be like, huge. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like a real.

[Michaela]

That knows what they're doing when they put it on. Like, obviously she partnered with, like, even when we were talking about going. Doing the Trish cruise, like, it was with a huge partner, which maybe ended up doing the JoJo cruise. Maybe that's why we didn't get. I don't know. But like, it was a. It was a big. It's like they had the itineraries plan and everything was like. It was very much like, you just get to be a part of it and just perform or whatever. So I'm. It does sound fun. I'm so jealous. That would be amazing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. Because it actually did look like a good time. It was kind of a mix. Like, it was kids there, but then also like grown adults and some JoJo stands. I'm sure. And I. My theory is some girls that just, like, they committed to the bit, like, fiercely.

[Michaela]

They're like, I see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like, this would be kind of camp if we went. And then by the time they got there, like, well, well, yes. We're going to be dressed as The Arrows of JoJo.

[Oscar]

Different costumes. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Well, I'm glad it went good. I'm glad it wasn't like a fire festival. Or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what I mean? Like the haunted virus. Like, you know, no virus, no outbreaks, no stuck at sea.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Three days is a good amount of time too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's a good amount of time. And JoJo was very involved. Like, she did a lot of appearances. She did their concert. She would come out to like the pool and do photo ops with everybody. Yeah, like, she was very, like, in it too.

[Michaela]

That's what I'm saying. I feel like when it's a vibe like that where like everyone is there, like the energy gets up, right? Like, it's like. That's why I'm saying with the Vegas of it all too, it's like when you're there and you know it's for a show, like, the energy's up. Like, so if someone's coming up to you, you're like loving it. It's like, oh, this is great. This is what I'm here for. Because that's the environment for it and that's what's cool about those kind of things. I'm glad it was a hit.

[Oscar]

I mean, it really depends on the person. And I think she's. She's so nice to her fans. She's a great performer and she loves being involved. That's all you want. Like, they know I'm on the boat with her right now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And you get to see her in all those places and do all those things.

[Michaela]

That'd be fun. You know how like cruise ships have like Beetlejuice on the cruise or something or they shows on the cruise. It would be fun if I could do like a one woman show performing like, you know, like High School Musical or something like that on the cruise for everybody. Like, that'd be so fun. Like I get to play all the parts. Like, what a dream, what a dream that would be. Maybe next year. I don't know. They do take like a year in the planning. I remember when our cruise was supposed to be around this time. I remember it was like two years ago. And they're like, oh, it's for 2026, which I think is now or something. So they do plan them quite far ahead. I guess they're expensive.

[Oscar]

Maybe 20, 30, you know, the new.

[Michaela]

How old am I gonna be in 2030? I'm gonna be old. When is that? How far are we from 2030? What's it?

[Oscar]

We're not that far.

[Michaela]

I mean, 42 years old. Jesus. It's gonna be the Senior.

[Oscar]

Almost over 27 is Australia. And then, you know, three more years.

[Michaela]

We need to Rest in between.

[Oscar]

A big event. Yeah, maybe it's gonna be a whole fleet, you know, a few ships.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why?

[Michaela]

I'm only one person. We gotta keep it to the one maybe for the 40th. That'd be fun. They come celebrate my 40th birthday with me on the cruise. Yeah, that's fun. That's better than 42. I mean, I'm excited to be 42, but that seems like I might not be able to perform as much. 42, maybe. I don't know. Madonna's performing at Pride at 60. She where she was like straddling. What Pride was that? She was like straddling the banister.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah.

[Michaela]

Was like going off the end.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I was going to try to see and I forgot there's no wi fi.

[Michaela]

Isn't that great? That's how I was this morning during glam. That's why I like left. I was in a glam 8:30. I like left from 8:30 to like 10. Cuz I was like, this is crazy to know. Like, just look up stuff. It feels like the dark Ages. Stone Ages.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're giving the girl with iPhone face and euphoria.

[Michaela]

Oh, oh, right. Was she Amish? What was her deal?

[Trisha Paytas]

Amish. Thank you.

[Michaela]

Mormons, I think can have.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, obviously we see Taylor, Frankie, Paul, so she can't get off that damn phone.

[Michaela]

I think Jesse and Marciano are full on dating now. They were in Vegas the same time we were.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. They do wear carpets together and everything,

[Michaela]

but they're kind of saying like they're not official.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think if you're going on a red carpet and kissing for the photographers, mama, that's official. Like, what do you mean? Yeah, like, come on.

[Michaela]

So crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like you're at the American Music Awards. Making out on the red carpet.

[Michaela]

Were they?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Michaela]

Oh, I didn't see that.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

They did joint interviews together. Oh, yeah. So I think cats out of the bag, honey.

[Michaela]

Like, oh, I thought they were just this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, not just little tiktoks. They're out there taking their show on the road.

[Michaela]

Good for her. He's pretty handsome. He's much better than that. That guy. He was doing like cameos where he's like, oh, no. He was doing that vocal stim one where it's like, you know, where you repeat your famous phrase. Like the ones I did, like the Hawaiian Cave. And he was doing the and wear her dress for everybody on Dancing with this. And I was like, no, you kill the meme. No one thinks it's funny anymore. All the comments are Saying that too. That guy is not cute. Like, what happened there?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, the only one I think is cute is Connor. I'm trying to think of dad talk. Yeah, the only dad talk or former dad talker is Connor. That I think is cute.

[Michaela]

Do you think we're gonna be able to. Is he coming?

[Trisha Paytas]

I will scream.

[Michaela]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so Connor Levitt. If I meet Connor Levitt.

[Michaela]

I don't know. I don't want to jinx it. I jinx it. But possibly a Whitney. Possibly, but she is busy girl. I don't know. But I'm like, oh, that'd be so fun if we get, like, if he's here too. Do you think he just. I don't know, because, like, Moses would just come. But then again, they have kids. I guess Moses has to be with the kids. You know, they have to. I don't know how that works.

[Trisha Paytas]

Connor, if you're seeing this, we love you too. I think you're handsome. Like, I think you should come.

[Oscar]

I was gonna say we can make couples tiktoks.

[Michaela]

Oh, that'd be cute. Yeah. Oh, my God, that'd be so funct. I heard he's gonna be on Dancing with the Stars this season. That's what I had heard. Which would be so crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

It would make sense, you know, he's gonna do a damn magic trick like, every other week, and I'm very seated for that.

[Michaela]

That's what you got to do when you gotta. When you want to brand as, like, you really gotta have, like, a niche. A niche something. And he is that magic is really. Is a niche.

[Oscar]

It's cool if in the dance, he suddenly sends a pigeon out or something,

[Trisha Paytas]

pulls a rabbit out of his hat.

[Michaela]

That's true. I guess magic can be cool. Cool sometimes. That'd be really funny. When are they announcing the rest of that cast?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, we still got a ways to go before it premieres.

[Michaela]

No, I thought they, like, announced in July on Good Morning America. Don't they all come out? I'm like, hey, they.

[Trisha Paytas]

They love a slow rollout these days because last year they started with Robert Irwin, like, five months in advance. I was like, okay, this is a lot.

[Michaela]

Well, they've been doing that. They had Maura Sierra now I think

[Trisha Paytas]

they're going to be doing it even more. So maybe, like, every other month they're gonna announce somebody.

[Michaela]

But we need more. More than just a Savannah banana to wet our appetite. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not the Lush Life. The Midnight sun dance, though. And he did kind of win me over. That Savannah banana was it that one.

[Michaela]

That's gonna be a dancing of the stars.

[Trisha Paytas]

God. I think I'm assuming slash. I think so. But I do have a little white male blindness.

[Michaela]

Right. All the savannah bananas look the same because they're all in the same yellow outfit. Exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

That doesn't help either.

[Michaela]

I only know one. I know Derek Klarna who used to be a Broadway Fiero, and he's now currently on there. I wonder if they get like, do they get paid well? Is that their full time job? Like, they get brand deals. I. I'm not really too seated for them, but I appreciate the. The people who appreciate them. I mean, I like when people can like make something and you're just like, this is so weird, but more power to you, I guess, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. I. God, I have so many little exciting ones. Ty was suing Netflix over the America's Next Top Model documentary. That's kind of fierce. Oh, what?

[Michaela]

Did she participate? What did you say?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, so she participated. She's suing Netflix for defamation over the now infl infamous ANTM documentary that came out in February. Basically, the TLDR is.

[Michaela]

What's tldr? Can you say that a lot?

[Trisha Paytas]

Too long. Didn't read.

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like the quick takeaway is she's suing for defamation, loss of wages, etc. Etc. Because she said she filmed for like over three hours and then her interviews were edited and cut to contribute to like this narrative of her. Her not knowing or understanding anything. And one big part of it is, like with the Shandy Sullivan episode, which is one of the ANTM contestants who basically says that she got sa because she couldn't consent to having sex in the hot tub with one of the male models that they edited it to seem like she was like, who's Shandy? And she said that. Like, she said. Tyra says that she said she immediately acknowledged Shandy and she remembered her right away. But they edited to make her look like she was giving a blank stare or something. And then they also didn't tell her that Shandy says she got sa. Like, she obviously knew of what happened, but she didn't know that Shandy is calling it SA because she couldn't consent. So there's some, like, stipulations like that. But then of course you can make the argument, well, Tyranny was there in the editing room. She had all the footage. She gave the green light to keep filming. So, like, wouldn't you know that she didn't consent because you saw the footage and he also had her on your talk show twice to, like, really milk her talking about this cheating scandal that really was his. Hey. So I think it'll be an interesting lawsuit because she also is saying she wants a jury trial because she.

[Michaela]

Oh, my gosh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because she didn't say how much. She said she wants a jury trial to see how to give them a number of, like, the damages. So she wants to go, like, all the way, which I think is interesting. Yeah.

[Michaela]

I mean, I would assume. I guess. I don't know how it works. Like, I would assume when Netflix buys it or. Well, okay, do you know. Do you know if Netflix bought the documentary? Or, like, did the production company make it and then sold it to Netflix? Or did Netflix, like, do this? Like, they came up with this documentary?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's definitely a per. Like a production company. I think it's a lot. I think the production company did it and then pitched it, is what I'm thinking. Pitch it to Netflix is what I mean.

[Michaela]

And it was, like, already done or

[Trisha Paytas]

at least, like, in pre production. And then maybe Netflix gave them a little bit of budget. But it's not like, I think it was acquired by Netflix. What I'm trying to say, I don't think it was.

[Michaela]

Like, that's what. It makes it complicated because sometimes if you go with, like, a production company and they don't really know what they're doing, maybe the paperwork's, like, not all lined up, but I would assume Netflix would have their, like, ducks all in a row where they would be like, basically, like, what I did. Like, Celebrity Big Brother, for instance. It's like, we could add it to you however you want. Like. Like, we could literally say, you killed somebody. And that's. If we edit it together. That's fine. That's it. You sign up for that, we edit, we get the final edit. But if it's, like, a smaller production company, which we've dealt with before, sometimes they're a little messy. They, like, forget to get a signature. They forget to do this. There's, like, a fine print left out, whatever. Like that. So maybe. Maybe that wasn't in there.

[Oscar]

She seems to talk specifically Netflix because she said Netflix has three hours of my interview. And what she's asking, she said she will drop the lawsuit if they release those three hours. So she's asking for those three hours to be released. Released. And I saw people saying, like, we'll receded. Like, Netflix has an opportunity to make more money here. Release the three hours. We'll be sitting and watching.

[Michaela]

That is Actually so real.

[Oscar]

So. So just from that it seems like Netflix is very involved in the production if they have the footage, otherwise it be the production.

[Trisha Paytas]

True. And also it's like even if it was a production company though, like because it airs on Netflix's platform, like they have legal liability. Like they can't just air something thing and be like, oh well, we just acquired it and aired it so we're not legally responsible. Because like once it's on your platform and you are the one that is posting it, it's the same. Like even if they're like say us say if we had someone who I guess come here and say like all make all these libelous claims about another influence or whatever, then like they could also go for that influencer, but then they could also sue. Like yeah, because it's on your platform, you know.

[Michaela]

So yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yeah, I am. So the comments have gone both ways for this. They're like, well, Tyra do be a little delusional. So like maybe she really thought she was giving like accountability the house down boots and like it wasn't like maybe the edit was like trying to give the best of what she said because she's a little wishy washy, you know, for sure.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I just, I, I'm actually more inclined to be on Tyra side. I do feel like edits love to be messy and dirty, especially with reactions and stuff like that. Like, I see myself edited. So this is why I don't do reality shows. I see myself edited so many times with like a reaction that was like not for that reaction and it's just like, well, that's not what happened. So I think that part, I, I don't know, I kind of inclined messy. Yes. But I think if she's like released the full context, I feel like that is someone with like nothing to hide.

[Oscar]

But if, for example, they never ask her about the essay specifically and then they pretend they showed it as if she knew about it and never talked about. Talked about. That's messy. Like that's, that's intentional. So that's why releasing that footage will give you a clear answer of what they did.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's all. It reminded me a lot of the, the Colleen Joshua David Evans ones. Because you were like, well, you can't like go into it. Like Joshua shouldn't do a Colleen documentary because he already has a bias. And it kind of reminds me of this because like the three that were really involved were Ms. J, Mr. J and Nigel Barker. And they had a huge fallout With Tyra.

[Oscar]

So.

[Trisha Paytas]

So they also, like, kind of had that chip on their shoulder going into it.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because they were fired and Tyra continued to make the show without them, and the. They got fired. The way they got let go was, like, very tumultuous, and Tyra kind of did them dirty. So, you know, they were really ready to throw her under the bus as well.

[Michaela]

So that also kind of makes me

[Trisha Paytas]

think, like, oh, they kind of had a little bit of an agenda going into it, you know?

[Michaela]

Yeah. Oh, I'm. That's so interesting. I'm kind of like. I kind of, like, feel like I could be on her side on this.

[Trisha Paytas]

On this one, I think depending on, like, with information coming out. Because, like, yes, of course she did some dastardly things on that show, both, like, morally and also just like, the way that she treated the contestants, you know, and then the thing. I guess a lot of the things you can be like, okay, sign of the times, I guess, like the race swapping and stuff, like.

[Michaela]

Yeah, she.

[Trisha Paytas]

She thought she was doing the damn. She thought she was being woke central when she was like, let's be any race, you know what I mean?

[Michaela]

Like, like walk a mile in their shoes. She thought she was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was like, really serving, like, humanitarian Nobel peace Prize.

[Michaela]

Because even at that time, I mean, were you shook at the time? I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought it was inspirational at the time. Like, I was eating it.

[Michaela]

Yeah. It's kind of like, oh, wow. And people would say, like, I feel so strong. Like a strong African woman.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Michaela]

Yes. Like, it made sense in the time and obviously now. So I'm saying, like, I kind of would be on her side now if she's trying to atone for stuff that, like, was messed up in the past. So it'd be interesting to see that long one. Like, is she saying sorry and they just don't say it. You know what I mean? Maybe they just cut the parts that make her look horrible because. Yeah, maybe she's trying to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Now it really could go either way.

[Michaela]

Yeah. I have a feeling if she's like, so much like, show the footage. I'm going to trial. Like, I have a feeling she must be. Have some case.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I'm very seated for it. As long as, again, hopefully it doesn't, like, re. Traumatize, like, everyone else who, like. Like Shandy and who had to come out and, you know, talk about this whole thing, like, hopefully traumatize the contestants. But. But very. And obviously, like Netflix, they would have to do their due diligence. Like, when airing it, like, you know, from like, writing a book, for example, like, it has to get approved by so many, like, lawyers and stuff. And you have to have, like, receipts and everything to approve even airing it and make sure it's fair. But yeah, if she's saying they didn't even tell her was it was essay on Shandy's half or another thing, too, is Ms. J saying, like, Tyra never reached out after she. After he had a stroke. And then Tyra says that, like, no, I have documentation saying, like, I reached out to miss J on Christmas and asked, like, how she's doing. What, like, her health is and everything. So, yeah, it's quite interesting.

[Michaela]

Oh, no, man, that's messy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Very messy.

[Michaela]

But honestly, if that's all true, I mean, you got to. You got to fight back because it's a lot to fight back to, especially when everyone, like, hates you. You know what I mean?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

No one's on Tyrannosaurus that was fierce. Like, everyone was like, this woman is diabolical. Like, she was pretty, but she was evil.

[Michaela]

So she's, like, fighting back, I guess, if it's your reputation. And it's, like, not true.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is funny, though, because I feel like everyone kind of. I guess not for her because she's the victim if it's like, if they really did do her dirty. But I'm like, everyone was, like, really going back and, like, loving her again. Because Model Land is like, the book went viral, right? Everyone is. I see so many people on TikTok and stuff going back and reading this book of Tookie Delicate creme.

[Michaela]

Even Jimmy's like, I would have survived Monoland.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, we're having a Tyra Renaissance. Weirdly so. The fact that this lawsuit comes out in the middle of the Tyra Renaissance is kind of.

[Michaela]

Well, she wants to keep that charge going, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's actually justice for Model Land. And.

[Michaela]

And yeah, damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kind of related. Vanity Fair did a whole investigation into the alleged toxic work environment, inappropriate behavior at unwanted. Well, and this kind of shook me. Yeah, this was wild to me. Obviously, in the wake of Alex Earl versus Alex Cooper, I was like, this is all kind of unserious, unseasoned. But this article has been in the works for a long time, for months, where a journalist at vanity fair interviewed 40 sources, 30 of whom are former or current employees, about their interactions with Alex Cooper and her husband, Matt Kaplan. Lynn.

[Michaela]

And wait, okay, how does this start? Because, like, you know, usually they do it, like, on, like, horrible people like Harvey Weinstein. And like Russell Brand, like, you know, New York Times or one of those things. Like, they do these. They take like a year. They know it's in the making. Everyone hears about it. They're interviewing all these people. Like, why Alex Cooper? Why do you think Someone was just like, this is the story. I gotta like, does it come from like a tip? Or is it just someone who has like a vendetta or they hear something like, what is it?

[Trisha Paytas]

I. That's my theory is that it does kind of start with like a tip. This article is also behind a paywall, which is kind of annoying. So I couldn't read the, the Vanity Fair article. I've read like synopses of the article.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I believe it did start with like a tip or something. And then they started reaching out to different former employees or current employees. And it kind of just builds and builds from there.

[Michaela]

But there must be a story here.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's when I, when I saw the number of people and it was 40 sources, I was like, that's a huge number for that many people that have similar tales. And like you, there's no way 40 people can be in cahoots, like as a big takedown. You know, it has to be people with like real experience there who have all seen some things. But yeah, I was so gagged by it because they said that the bulk of the sources of that the outlet spoke to are in the early twenties working for Unwell. And a lot of them specifically for the Call of Daddy podcast. And for a lot of them too, it's either their first job or one of their earliest jobs. So they don't have like a ton of experience. And a lot of them claim to have bad interactions with Matt Kaplan, specifically, who is the co CEO of Unwell.

[Michaela]

Yeah, from what it sounded like is like he's the one that's doing the day day running hiring. And she's kind of almost like not even there, more just like the face.

[Trisha Paytas]

And they claim that there it is a volatile mix of unprofessional and a caustic style of leadership that basically like it goes against the brand being like, you know, female friendly, very like Gen Z girl power tease. Yeah, exactly. Like the whole day to day there is kind of the opposite. Some of the women told Vanity Fair that Matt Kaplan called some employees stupid or the R word.

[Michaela]

Word.

[Trisha Paytas]

And also accused, he's also accused of threatening to negatively impact their careers.

[Michaela]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

One female contractor who worked on an Unwell production recalled seeing the technical crew break down in tears. As Matt Kaplan threatened not to pay them and said, do you know who I am? Do you know who my wife is?

[Michaela]

No, I don't know who you are, sir.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, it's not good.

[Michaela]

Wasn't he a movie producer? How's he like, running on well now? Because I remember when I met her and I was like, oh, like, what's he doing? Oh, he. He's like a movie producer. And it's like, what. How did you. What happened that I know you're just like, oh, let me go now. Run my.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess once it started.

[Michaela]

Well, if someone really says, who do you know who I am? I'm just like, literally immediately a gag. Ick. Like, no.

[Trisha Paytas]

And other employees also pointed to uncomfortable interactions with the chief Brand officer, TJ Marchetti. And he used to work for Disney and Awesomeness TV as an executive. Several described feeling uncomfortable with how flirty he was with the young female fans who came to unwilling events. Another recalls Marchetti telling her to take down photos from Unwell's Instagram accounts of young fans who she recalls him saying were not attractive enough. So he asked her, whoever wants the Instagram to remove photos of fans who are like, too ugly, basically. They also claim that Matt Kaplan creates the most toxic work environment that I've ever seen. One former freelancer said, matt will scream the worst things and say the nastiest things to you. Alex will be there next to him. Not to defending anyone. So there was a lot. Yeah. Allegedly she's been in the room or has witnessed Matt Kaplan screaming at some employees. But Unwell did not immediately respond for a request.

[Michaela]

Wow, that's kind of surprising. Why don't they normally say, like, none of this is true? Like, don't they usually respond pretty quickly?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, before this article came out, Unwell and was loyal lawyer Brian Friedman, ironically David Dobrik's and Justin Baldoni's lawyer and John. Oh, and Johnny Depp.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Reached out to Vanity Fair and basically said they kind of like smeared the journalists who they found out was doing it.

[Michaela]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

And was like, basically, if you claim to. If you claim that Matt Kaplan had any sexual misconduct, we will ruin Vanity Fair. We'll take you for everything. You're worried.

[Michaela]

Who said that? Brian Friedman.

[Trisha Paytas]

They sent a letter and then the. Even Vanity Fair was like resp. Like publicly posted it and was like saying like, we got this.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Like, what do you mean? Like before the article's even out. Like, if you say that's like very specific.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Cuz they caught wind that it was in the works. And who and which journalist was writing it.

[Michaela]

Threatening is kind of crazy, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like now I'm like, what exactly are you scared of if you're get lawyering up before it's even out?

[Michaela]

And there's so many, so many sources, right, that like, say they've experienced it.

[Trisha Paytas]

So many. That's like, how can you even. And like, I, like, I know production, I guess, was pre me too. Pre me to production is something fierce. Like, people, like, I remember interning on productions and like, the crew would just like, God, it was like, call it like, my friends were all, we're all in college, but would say, like, the craziest stuff about the girls, like, would be so creepy with them. And like, we're interns. And they would be like, oh, well, like, if you. If you go on a date with me, like, I'll take you to this event. So, like. And that was kind of like the norm. So I know how, like, sleazy and scummy, like, productions could be. Pre me too. Plus, me too. Like, I think a lot of people were scared, like, once things started coming out and, like, there was like a power reversal. But this gives me, like, pre me too, like, mentality of like, you know, it's cutthroat. It's a business. It's production, show business. Like, I can say do whatever and

[Michaela]

then doing all this and have no repercussions because there's no one. No one is accusing Alex of being. Being like verbally aggressive or anything. No, it's all Matt and this guy Machete or whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

The only thing is that she allegedly witnessed it or it just doesn't do anything about it.

[Oscar]

But it gives kind of like startup environment very that. Yeah, because I think they're not yet co. Per. Cooperate enough with hr. Like, there's not enough rules to follow. So they're like running the ship however they want to run it and being very.

[Michaela]

I mean, it's also like 2026. And I just think this was everybody. I'm like, don't they now? Like, someone like, everyone's talking, everyone's recording. Everyone's just like, don't you, like, beyond your extra best behavior, just knowing that you do have this huge company and reputation to lose. Like, it's. It's wild. In 24 6, people are calling people names, talking about people's looks, even like behind the scenes, even on email, even whatever. Like, it's just everything I type out to anyone, whether I think you're my best friend or Moses or anyone I'm just like, anyone. I think, like, this text could be used against you. You know what I mean? So, like, think twice. But then to also, like, say it in front of people and have like, all these witnesses is like, like, just so dumb. For all these people who run these, like, billion dollar companies, it's like, how stupid can you be if that's true? I mean, I'm assuming it is because, like, how are 40 people telling you the same story? It's like one person. Okay. Your word against mine to whatever. 40 is kind of crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because obviously, like, with business stuff, if some people are fired or whatever, like, again, you can have a vendetta. But if it's 40, a lot of them may be still working there. A lot of them were scared too. They were like, they thought it was a test. They thought it was. Was like, like Matt Kaplan or whatever, trying to like, see who's leaking and who's like, the. So they were like, scared to even, like, give any details. Like, it took a lot of, like, coaxing to be like, no, it's okay. Like, like, you will be anonymous, whatever, to tell your story. But very ominous, I think too, because it's a lot of young people. It's like, you don't have a lot of job experience, so you're kind of like, again, lucky to have a job in this job market. A B. It's like a cool job. Like, you're in media. It's Alex Cooper, like the big, biggest podcaster. Especially female podcaster. Like, everyone knows her. Like, you can be, like, proud of where you're working.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's like a whole power dynamic. You're also, like, a fan for the most part too. So it's like, damn, I'm working.

[Oscar]

Where?

[Trisha Paytas]

At a podcast that I'm actually a fan of. There's a lot of, like, elements at play. Like, between being young, naive, a fan. It's, like, easy to be taken advantage of, you know?

[Michaela]

Yeah. Like, scared to say anything. And also, like, against, like, men just get more intimidated. Dated in general. Damn, that sucks. It sucks because, like, yeah, it is such a cool. Like, I guess it was. Now it's a little tainted.

[Trisha Paytas]

Huh. I know. I. It. This happened. I mean, even, like, remember there was a big expose about, like the Kelly Clarkson show about, like, that was a couple years ago.

[Michaela]

What was it?

[Trisha Paytas]

It was like a toxic work environment. The Kelly Clarkson show.

[Michaela]

No, I didn't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but like, it was producers like Kelly Rolling Stone to the investigation, and Kelly didn't know anything that was going on. So like. And none of the people who came forward had anything against her, but it was these producers, like her top producers being terrible. And they had to completely like, restructure everything. And Kelly was like, adamant, like, no, we're gonna restructure. And like, yeah, make. Make this a good environment. And they were able to do that.

[Michaela]

So maybe that's what this will be. Maybe.

[Trisha Paytas]

But then you have the Ellen DeGeneres.

[Oscar]

Yeah, yeah. Where that. It stinks from the head. But here, Here, the main issue is that it's her husband. So it's not like she can restructure the company. You can just, you know, unless she fires her husband.

[Michaela]

But it's almost like firing. It's like. How about. How about stay silent?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Oh, like, let me. Let me have one office.

[Oscar]

Don't work with people like, you run with people run from like the back end of the business. But you're not talking to our employees like you're not the face of the company.

[Michaela]

That's. Yeah, that's a. That's an easy enough fix. Cuz it's like you just don't know how to deal with people, obviously. Like. And most men don't. Honestly, I don't like the way men talk to. Yeah. In general, I don't think I really have any men on my team cuz I don't like the way I'm talking to w. Blank men. For the most part. They're very. They're very. The guy at the. The drunk fan at the thing. Who are you? You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like Tik tok. Yeah, I was gonna say maybe some. But there's gay men may be exception, but also, like, there's the mean gays too. Like the Regina George complex of it all. Yeah, yeah.

[Michaela]

But even the meanest gays aren't as bad as the straights. You know what I mean? It's like I could deal with a mean gay because they kind of have your interest, you know, because they kind of like, okay, we're all in here together. We all get like, you know, kind of talked down to. At times. A man just thinks he's really the. And it's like, you know, you're just. Actually not anymore. It's 2026, you know, it's. This is. Your time's coming, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Quite a wise woman. That's a woman's world, baby. And you're lucky to be living Katy Perry.

[Michaela]

My fave. What? She really ate with that one. Yeah, this sucks. Especially like you said, because the whole thing I Think the men needed to step back. Maybe Alex Cooper doesn't want to. I don't know. Remember she said she. He had like the corner office or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like she didn't want the corner office, so he took it. Maybe I'm like, maybe he can. She didn't want it. That's what I'm thinking now.

[Michaela]

I'm like, huh. I know. I saw something too. This is completely conspiracy and like, I don't know, there's probably no merit maybe, you know, I'm so down. This was a Coco mode ago.

[Trisha Paytas]

Her tick tock about Gabby.

[Michaela]

Gabby, Wendy, how like I totally forgot. I remember when Gabby was here. She was like, yeah, I'm doing this thing with like Unwells producing it. And it was like that dating on a yacht show. What was it called?

[Trisha Paytas]

Love Overboard.

[Michaela]

Love Overboard, which had like budget. She was going to Croatia and it was like them falling off the planks if they got eliminated. Like it was some crazy like budget. And yeah, Cocomoko was like, you know, my theory is, is like Gabby was really popular, like right off of Traders. Her podcast was really big. She was getting huge guests. Is that they just didn't want any like competition. So basically kind of like got her to do this like hosting job or whatever. Like exclusivity and kind of tanked it so that way there would be no more opportunities. Be like, look, this show kind of flopped. No one cared about it and Gabby hosted it or something. Which is like, I don't know, maybe because they also said that about Alex Earl, like that she saw her as competition and signed her to kind of like tank or just not put in because what did Coco mogul say? They put. They promoted the Winter Games thing like so much.

[Trisha Paytas]

And that was. Alex didn't do any promotion. Emotion relief for Love Overboard but did

[Michaela]

so much for Winter. Winter Games. Like Gabby wasn't even on Call her Daddy. Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's. I kind of see that point. But also I will say that Unwell when they were filming flew a lot of media and had flew them out to Malta and paid for everything to have media come do like interviews with the contestants and for Gabby and because they flew out like a producer from ET went to Malta and did like three days on the boat with Gabby win. Like we followed her around. We did like tours and everything.

[Michaela]

Oh, so they tried.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, so I. Because I saw that Tik Tok too and I was like, oh, t. But I do think they. They did.

[Michaela]

But there was no promotion. Right. Like, I didn't see Billboards I didn't see. Like, maybe they had some press.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah,

[Michaela]

right. I guess Winter Games wasn't billboards, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

And really cheap. Cheap to produce, too, because it's also like, you know, it was, you know, these people that probably just wanted any crumbs they could get.

[Michaela]

Yeah, that's true.

[Oscar]

That went on YouTube and the other show went on Hulu. So probably Hulu was kind of responsible to promote it. And they thought. Because I can see them thinking, I mean, your production company or like, what space you want to get into dating. And they got. I mean, everything was right on page paper.

[Michaela]

But we didn't even see, you know, how we're always on Hulu and we'd always see, like a main thing and we just, like, click on it. You know, they're always pointing that. Shifting gears. We see that all the time. Like, let's click on it. And, you know, it's not good, but we watch it because it's always like the main big one. And whenever there's a main big one, we watch it. And we never did see it. I never saw Gabby. I 100 would have clicked on it.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

And we were always on that Hulu,

[Oscar]

so it might be more of a Hulu thing. And maybe, you know, somebody from their team pissed off somebody at Hulu and they're. Yeah, you never know.

[Michaela]

They're like, actually gnome tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

And Also with like, YouTube, I feel like the revenue share is different. Like, it kind of makes sense for her to promote it more maybe, because she would probably get, like, unwell would see more of the money versus if it airs on Hulu, you're also sharing the revenue with Hulu, so.

[Oscar]

Because Hulu, you sell it once you get the check. Yeah, goodbye.

[Michaela]

But it does suck because of my experience. The Alex has always been really nice. Obviously. The Unwell, they were, like, really nice and, you know, paid well and stuff like that when we did that event. So it's like, sucks. I never had to deal with any guys really, over there. When I think about Unwell, I really do think, like, gays and girls at the Call Her Daddy shoot, too. I don't think there was, like, any straight that I knew. I saw one of the cool guys, one of the good guys over there. I saw him on the chili shoot and I was like, oh, you were at the Caller Daddy? And he was one of the. He was one of the cool ones.

[Oscar]

Well, but that's the thing. You, as a guest has one experience. But this is the employee.

[Michaela]

No, of course.

[Oscar]

Yeah, that's what I'M saying it sucks the employees. That's what's so horrible about it. Because you see something on tv, you see it online and you think, oh, it's glamorous.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Oscar]

It's a great environment. And then you go work there and suddenly you get.

[Michaela]

I guess like even her. Like, even at the end. Well, I mean, I guess I could get it. Like, I'm in another creator. And so. But she was always like, so nice and so fun and like, let's do this. Tick tock. And it's like, sucks that this. But also like, I don't know if it's necessarily her fault because also too, you could find a guy and you know, you kind of, you kind of blindly trust when you're like married to. Especially if he was like a business person, you kind of like trust him to run stuff. I guess. I don't know. Especially now that she's like pregnant.

[Oscar]

I mean, she's obviously great in the sense of she built this brand, the brand is successful, so she did something right all those years and we never heard complaints.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

About her.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And then when you really want to enjoy what you build, you hand it over to somebody to run it so you can really live your life and enjoy them. And you just handed. She just handed it over. Maybe to the wrong person.

[Michaela]

Maybe.

[Oscar]

But I think, I mean, to be personal, they also could be like an old media attack on new media. Media. Because anywhere in Hollywood, that's. That's the standard. People are like that. You know, you want to be in the industry, people treat you horribly. And so. So it's not that different from anywhere in the music.

[Michaela]

Wait, who are you talking about attacking who?

[Oscar]

There might be also an attack from old media on new media. Like she's the new upcomer in the space. And it could be also a coordinated attack on her. Like, because how many articles have you seen about horrible bosses in Hollywood and in other places. Places. Not that many. And they are there. That's different. That's criminal. That's criminal. So that's different here. We're talking about he's a nasty person, not a criminal. So I'm saying, like, there could be a mix there. So it's, it's kind of. You have to investigate.

[Michaela]

I feel like with 40 sources, I'd be like, you know what? I'm going to also cover that. We're covering it right now. I was like, I think this is, this is. We need to cover it.

[Oscar]

Ryan.

[Michaela]

No, but I like, I like out super. I like color also.

[Oscar]

If you go to other places, you'll find the same conditions. I think it's not that unfortunate.

[Michaela]

Not just Trish. I run the ship over here. I text, I sign all the checks myself. I coordinate with everybody.

[Oscar]

But once you sign a hundred million dollar check and you elevate yourself to that level, there'll be more people involved. And then it's hard. Like those people are, you know, deceiving. They'll treat you beautifully and then treating the employees horribly, it takes time until you find out you that the truth.

[Michaela]

People are always shocked that I never have like assistance or anything because I'm like, no, I like always. I deal everything accounting every month by myself. I do everything myself because I don't trust anybody because I've seen other people trust people and it all gets messed up and it gets messy and I'm like, this is it, this is the problem. And then you talk to that person like, oh, I didn't know or this or that. And it's just like. Exactly. So I do, I think I'll always do it myself.

[Oscar]

Because any company or person, even just a personal entity, there's a certain level, there's the sweet spot when you have a good, good life and then there's a certain growth that you go through that it just gets messy. Like the more money, more problem thing, it's like it's real. Like you get too big and then you're not anymore doing what you love. You're just managing people and that. Manage people. And we try, both of us. Like even me as an artist and doing design, I always try to stay that sweet spot where I'm the boss, I'm doing the things rather than becoming a manager of people. That's a whole different world, period. It's an educational podcast here. Today we teach you how to get a resume, how to find a good job, where to find a sweet spot in life.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Well, I remember what I was gonna say with the receipts when you were talking about Tyra with the receipts coming with their seats. This is not a great one to end on because it's not big and it's obviously niche because I don't think anyone else cares about this but me because it's 2026 and who would care about Kat Von D? But did you see her?

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw a tick tock of someone talking about a house being burned down or something.

[Michaela]

Do you know Teva?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Michaela]

And his, his mom owned the Frankenstein castle from like the 1930s and rented a cav on D. It's like this whole thing well, she came with receipts, but then Teva just came with receipts back. I'm so glad. Did you see this? You saw this? You were saying yes over there. Oh, okay. How come we haven't talked about this over dinner? This is such a good conversation.

[Oscar]

I didn't think you.

[Michaela]

I'm like, so I know about it. Well, Koni is so interesting to me in a weird way because she's, like, found God. She's like, one who, like, found God but still has, like, those demon eyes. And you're just like, oh, my gosh, are you sure? And then, like, Teva was saying, because he's, like, super spiritual, and he's just like. I don't know if, like, a. A Christian person would be lying on a dead woman. Like, this is whole thing that, like, it's so dark, but. And he's like, oh, it was, like, demonic stuff. I can't even tell you guys because it was, like, so weird. But basically, like, she came with receipts. Caf On. He's like, here's the email. But then he came with receipts, and it was like, the email, like, the. The fire. What is it called?

[Oscar]

The fire investigator.

[Michaela]

The report.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Basically, like, yeah, she burned this, like, the house. She rented it from his mom. This, like, Frankenstein castle. She was like, oh, they said it was, like, started by her because she had, like, 500 candles all over the house or something like that. And she was. No, it wasn't a candle fire. It was an electrical issue with, like,

[Oscar]

she was trying to blame them.

[Michaela]

The recording studio blamed them. And she goes. And even they said it. She tried to show the receipts. Then he came back with, like, no, the fire said it was definitely something that was, like, a candle thing. Like, why are you lying? His mom just, like, recently passed or something. And she was, like, saying Teva was, like, money hungry and just trying to do this whole thing. It was so crazy. But it was like, at the end of the day, it's like she, like, basically lied and. But was, like, trying.

[Oscar]

Allegedly. I mean, it's a.

[Michaela]

Well, I guess. I guess he could, like, fake the fire reports, but the fire reports were like, no, this.

[Oscar]

No, I'm just saying because there's so much that happened. There were two different fires.

[Michaela]

Two different fires?

[Oscar]

Yeah. And on top of that, you know, you. It's. It's messy. It's a fire. Like, it could be a candle, could be faulty wire. And she's claiming it's the wire. They claim it's the candle, but the report shows. But, you know, but sometimes people mix Things up maybe from one fire to the other. Either way, it seems like she was not nice to them.

[Michaela]

Right.

[Oscar]

On the bigger picture, she was not nice to his mom or about everything that happened.

[Michaela]

And so Massey, all these people with receipts and the mass and Kevon, it's

[Oscar]

like, you know, he seems to be genuine and he's not trying to do anything other than just take that burden off of him and his mom, because he thinks his mom's cancer and that was affected by the stress from all of this. Oh, that's dealing with all of this. And for him, he's like, he felt like she signed an NDA. She couldn't talk about it. He's like, I. I didn't. And I'm the child that was affected by all of this, and I just want to talk about it and I want to put.

[Michaela]

And Cat was like, he's just trying to make money. He's like, I'm not making any money off this. I don't know. I saw then a whole TikTok about people who've like, done like some bad life and then they find God. And then all of a sudden they're like, but God says this and then kind of use it as like a. Like a shield. And then he's just like, it's not

[Oscar]

very godly of you to like. She definitely played with Fire in her young age and maybe now she's trying to find God. I'm like, he's. Once he's signing up with those demons, I don't know. He can escape them.

[Michaela]

I know, I know. It's kind of scary, kind of spooky. I'm on the spooky side.

[Oscar]

It's definitely spooky. And I think that's what he's talking about. He had. He knows he probably had to, you know, cleanse the house from whatever was in there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Oof.

[Michaela]

That dark sided TikTok. Anyways, I'm surprising around that. That's what I was thinking of when I was thinking of them receipts. I want to see a documentary on Teva and Kavon.

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw a little bit of it. I saw Jeffrey Stars try to get in cahoots.

[Michaela]

Oh, no. What did he say?

[Oscar]

He was giving him advice.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Which one? Which one was giving advice to Teva? Oh, but see that. Right, okay. But then I think that's where it gets messy because it's a Joshua with the choline thing. Yeah, obviously him and Cat. It's very much. Who else was I thinking about? Oh, Sophia with an F with the Alex scoop.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, Yeah, I told y', all my book is coming out. My book is in stores in a month, y'.

[Michaela]

All.

[Trisha Paytas]

If you want more of this on well, too. Because I got it for you, honey.

[Michaela]

That's what I'm saying. I feel like when your ops are down, that's when they come out and it's like. And like. Like, more power to Jeffrey. But it is, like, because I think that's what it was. There was, like, a comment on the top of Tevas. Like, he's like, yes, I've seen. I. Oh, I know what really happened. Like, DM me. Like, I was trying to get into it, and I'm like, let's just all stay in our peace era. But. But I get it. The house looks beautiful. Those houses do scare me a little bit. Those are a little spooky. Especially, like, if someone, like, a demon was doing in there at some point. Not cab, but an actual demon, you know, was in the house. Like, it's hard to get rid of that. You know what I mean? He looks nice. He's. He's doing light. He's doing photo shoots. He's modeling in front of it. Like, you know, maybe he's trying to get some light to it. I don't know. Anyways, that was my. Here's a thing. If you. Yes. Let's end on a positive one.

[Oscar]

Okay, Let me play. As you know, it's graduation season.

[Michaela]

Happy, happy graduation.

[Trisha Paytas]

Pleasure to introduce student body president Austin Nunez. As we get ready to leave this gym, celebrate with our friends and family, and begin the next chapter, I've been

[Oscar]

thinking about one of the most important

[Trisha Paytas]

lessons these last four years have taught me. For a long time, I thought fitting in was something I was supposed to do. It felt easier to stay quiet, go along with everyone else, and worry about what others thought about me. Over time, I learned that some of the most important decisions we make come from knowing who we are and having the courage to be that person we want to be. As we move forward, there will be opportunities to stand up for yourself, stand up for others, and stand up for what you believe in is right. Those moments may not always be easy,

[Michaela]

but they are often.

[Trisha Paytas]

Define us. Trisha Paytas once said, you are given one life. Don't waste it. Embrace it, Love it, live it. I think that message captures exactly what lies ahead. Why did you say that?

[Michaela]

I don't know, but it sounds like

[Trisha Paytas]

wherever life takes us next, I hope we trust ourselves. Stay true to what matters most. Never be afraid to let our voices be. With that being said, Will the class of 2026 please move their castles?

[Michaela]

You don't send me that. I love that. It was so serious, and you're so studious, like Trisha Paytas once said. And then I got some tears. It does sound like something I would say. I would love to. I love when I can see, like, a context. Because, like, when people be like, oh, I saw you, like, in black extensions, hungover, going through a drive thr. And I was like, I don't know what that was, but I'd like to see the context. I would love to see the context when I say it. You never know if it's a kitchen floor video. I mean, I said a lot of my days, so I thought that was used in a graduation speech. And you're welcome to that class. Yes. Keep embracing it and love it and living. And living.

[Trisha Paytas]

Living life, period.

[Michaela]

And that's true. And that's the tea. And I love. I love inspiring. All right, well, happy graduation to all the graduates. We're still without WI fi over here, so. So we're in the dark ages, you guys. We made it through. All right. Thank you guys for being here. This is a good one. This was positive for the most part. Yeah, we love you guys. And we'll see you. We'll see you next week. Or no, we'll see you this week. Have a great day and happy summer. I feel like I'm finally, like, slowing down a little, which is good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it is starting to feel like summertime.

[Michaela]

I'm gonna organize the house. There's a new kids museum that opened up in Camarillo. It feels like the vibes. Splash pads are open everywhere. I'm excited for it. Aquaman's birthday's coming up. Aquaman's photo shoot, lots of stuff. All right, guys, we'll be back here Thursday. Will you go to patreon.com just. Just for extended episodes happening right now. Go to Moses. Moses cooking videos. He made my favorite chicken parm in the whole world. It was so good. And then go to Oscar Gracie vlogs for. Or just Oscar Gracie for his vlogs. Check out the Vegas. My version of the Vegas vlog is up on patreon.com just trish. Also pre my memoir, crying on the kitchen Floor. If you want all the tea on everything going down now. Which one of my apps was in a scandal? I could be like, the te's in there, everybody.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not till November.

[Michaela]

My app. Oh, yeah. Be careful what you wish for. I wish my apps well. Honestly. Honestly, I've gone down that's in the book, so you don't need to do anything else. All right. Love you guys. Bye.