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Summary

Just Trish Podcast Episode Summary
Episode: JUST TRISH MAY 13, 2025
Release Date: May 13, 2025
Hosts: Trisha Paytas, Jeff Wittek, Moses Hacmon

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1. Launch of the New Music Video Featuring Drag Queens

Timeframe: [00:57] - [03:26]

Trisha Paytas enthusiastically announces the release of her new music video, emphasizing its collaboration with prominent drag queens from RuPaul's Drag Race Season 17, including Cory King, Jill Sparkles, Acacia Forgot, and Joella. She highlights the inclusive and celebratory nature of the project, noting appearances by Moses Hacmon, her mother, and dancers from her Pride tour.

• Trisha Paytas [02:15]: "It's just this really... a celebration when you just see performers from all walks of life just be there."

2. Charitable Contributions and Support for the LGBTQ+ Community

Timeframe: [03:26] - [06:36]

Trisha outlines the philanthropic aspects of the music video project, announcing donations to Trans Lifeline, the Trevor Project, and the ACLU Drag Defense Fund. She explains the importance of these organizations in supporting the LGBTQ+ community, particularly regarding mental health and free speech rights.

• Trisha Paytas [04:30]: "All proceeds from the music video will go to Trans Lifeline, and we donated $5,000 on behalf of the podcast and the music video to the Trevor Project."

3. Behind-the-Scenes Insights and Performers' Experiences

Timeframe: [06:36] - [12:32]

The conversation shifts to behind-the-scenes experiences during the music video's production. Jeff Wittek shares his involvement and cameo appearances, expressing pride in the final product. Trisha discusses the challenges and excitement of collaborating with talented performers, including their apprehensions and the camaraderie developed during filming.

• Jeff Wittek [06:58]: "We saved money because we would have gone to DragCon and paid quite a bag to see me."
• Trisha Paytas [09:42]: "I was so intimidated to perform next to anybody in my life because they were amazing."

4. Personal Life Updates and Upcoming Projects

Timeframe: [12:32] - [25:26]

Trisha provides updates on her personal life, including her pregnancy and the thoughtful consideration of her baby’s name, inspired by Pope Francis. She discusses the significance of coincidences related to her family and the new Pope, intertwining her personal journey with broader cultural themes.

• Trisha Paytas [18:00]: "The past Pope died, so you're... yeah, he's Pope Francis, which is... my father's name is Francis."

5. Discussion on Influencer Drama and Accountability

Timeframe: [61:58] - [85:22]

A significant portion of the episode delves into current influencer controversies, particularly focusing on James Charles' recent statements regarding allegations with Evan Johnson. Trisha and Jeff critically analyze James's apology, questioning his accountability and the sincerity of his statements. They express frustration over repeated patterns of problematic behavior and the influencer's handling of public relations during scandals.

• Trisha Paytas [62:05]: "But clearly, pattern behavior. Not a great person in these situations."
• Jeff Wittek [66:55]: "You're very right on that. It’s like very bi sister because it was flip-flopping."

6. Expanding Podcast Content and Future Collaborations

Timeframe: [87:01] - [100:07]

Trisha discusses plans to expand her podcast offerings, including collaborations with drag queens who have shown support and interest in her content. She touches upon the challenges of reaching out to high-profile personalities and her desire to feature a diverse array of guests while maintaining authenticity.

• Trisha Paytas [99:16]: "And I'm also not Stephanie Sue. I'm not talking about true crime, but. But I love her. In my mind, she can’t do anything wrong."

7. Final Thoughts and Upcoming Promotions

Timeframe: [100:07] - [116:24]

In the closing segments, the hosts wrap up discussions on various topics, including true crime media ethics and the responsibilities of influencers. Trisha reiterates the importance of supporting charitable causes and invites listeners to engage with her merchandise and Patreon for exclusive content.

• Trisha Paytas [115:31]: "We're gonna stay liberal and gay here all day long. So that's what I'll do. Maybe run for governor, because I think our governor is a little dicey, but I might be next."

Notable Quotes:

• Trisha Paytas [04:30]: "All proceeds from the music video will go to Trans Lifeline..."
• Jeff Wittek [06:58]: "We saved money because we would have gone to DragCon..."
• Trisha Paytas [18:00]: "The past Pope died, so you're... he's Pope Francis..."
• Trisha Paytas [62:05]: "But clearly, pattern behavior. Not a great person in these situations."
• Jeff Wittek [66:55]: "You're very right on that. It’s like very bi sister because it was flip-flopping."
• Trisha Paytas [99:16]: "I'm not Stephanie Sue. I'm not talking about true crime..."
• Trisha Paytas [115:31]: "We're gonna stay liberal and gay here all day long..."

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This episode of Just Trish provides a blend of entertainment, personal anecdotes, and critical commentary on contemporary influencer culture. Trisha Paytas, alongside Jeff Wittek and Moses Hacmon, offers unfiltered insights into her creative projects, charitable endeavors, and unpacks the complexities of online controversies with a candid and conversational approach.

Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Jeff Wittek]

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[Trisha Paytas]

Even Charles Barkley's greatest fear.

[Jeff Wittek]

Hey, nobody needs to know that.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses Hacmon]

In bonus bets if you win FanDuel.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Jeff Wittek]

Bonus issued is non withdrawable Bonus bets.

[Trisha Paytas]

That expires seven days after receipt.

[Jeff Wittek]

Restrictions apply. See full [e-mail] sportsbook gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER if I had a nickel for every time James Charles made a response showing screenshots from a text message conversation, I'd probably have like 45 cents. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Jeff interviewing Quentin Tarantino.

[Moses Hacmon]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like through Patreon, by the way. I'm the golden child of Patreon. I don't understand what.

[Jeff Wittek]

Meanwhile, your Patreon name is Trish Terrence.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was before we changed it. Her name is Trish. Hello. Welcome to the Just Trish podcast. Our favorite show. Twice a week, every week. We never miss it. It's gonna be a good one. Today it is 8am as of recording this. So we are fresh, flirty, fun, ready to come with all the action. The action is action packed, actually. That's how action we are. Real quick. Just Trish merch. We have a new Just Trish sleep shirt available in black and white. This was literally August 2023. We like started coming out with these designs and they're finally here. I don't know what take. We thought it was a different thing. We have like mugs and cups coming. I'm like, oh, they're mugs and cups. Because we started that last year and I was like, oh my God, I forgot about these shirts. So these shirts, we also have gray shirts that are so cute. They're like a jersey style shirt. Those are more fitted. Just trish.com check it out. New merch Sleep shirts are super soft. If you guys remember back in the kitchen floor days, I used to wear these all the time in 2019. I thought I was so skinny in these shirts because I was like, they're just falling off my shoulders. So I literally had that same shirt from like, the shirt was from like 2007. I had that same one and I sent I need something like this because they never, they never remade that shirt. The softness, the oversized ness. And then we just put a little Just Trish logo. They're super cute and comfy. I was super excited to wear it because it's early. Check out just trish.com you guys. Also premiering right after this episode is our gay music video. It's out because why not? Just because it's not June. Doesn't matter. We can be gay all year round. I'm super proud of this music video game. Music video out now. We had a lot of queens from RuPaul's Drag Grace season 17, which I was, like, super excited. It was, like, my favorite season ever. And check it out. It stars Cory King, Jill Sparkles. We also had Acacia Forgot and Joella and just fabulous other queens. And just cameos by Oscar and J. Which I should show you. I should show you now. Your dancing made it. Your little cane dancing.

[Jeff Wittek]

I was worried for that.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was actually. It actually looks so good. I was like, okay. You guys actually serve. The photos are so cute. The photos of you with the queens, too. It literally looks like dragcon. It looks so beautiful.

[Jeff Wittek]

I was lining up.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was. Anyways, I was super excited. Super proud. Moses makes a cameo. My mom makes a cameo. Dancers from my tour. Dancers from Pride make a cameo. It was just a gay old time, really. It really was. And check it out. Now all proceeds from the music video will go to Trans Lifeline. And then we donated 5,000 on behalf of the podcast and the music video to the Trevor Project. The Trevor Project has been around for a very long time. They provide a 247 hotline for suicide prevention. So any young adults in the LGBTQ community, or any adults for that matter, or kids, can call into this hotline if they seek help. And they've been doing really great work for a very long time. And so we donated $5,000 to the Trevor Project and another 5,000 to the ACLU Drag Defense Fund, which was a what I see all the time on Drag Race, if you watch, there's, like, a QR code to scan. And I actually didn't know that much about it, but when I looked into it, I was, like, very impressed with all the work they done. Moses knew that aclu, they've been around for a very long time as well. But the Drag Defense Fund specifically is protecting the First Amendment right for freedom of speech for not only drag performers, but all performers in the LGBTQ community. Because it's crazy in 2025 that we're at risk for not being able to express ourselves, which is crazy, especially in the arts world, in the creativity world. But they're doing great work as well. So we don't. $10,000 total. A couple weeks ago, we donated 10,000 to Trans Lifeline, and then all the proceeds from the music video will go to Trans Lifeline and all really great causes to donate to all year round. But with Pride coming up, just a few to think of. And if you guys have any other suggestions of charities we should look into, we definitely will. Because not only do we love and support the LGBTQ community, but my tour and stuff has been doing really well. And the people who come out, it's. It's. It's all. It's all the gays, and we love it. And the fact that they were all. We all did this video together, it was really. It was beautiful. It was just this really. You left right before we did the drag show, but people were just like. So I don't know how to explain it. It's just like. I don't know, just a celebration when you just see performers from, like, all walks of life just be there. And obviously, the queens were amazing. I was just, oh, my God, I've never been more intimidated to perform next to anybody in my life because they were amazing. But just even, like, the crowd, like, everyone was so hyped to be there and supporting good causes. And it was. It was. It was from all walks of life. We had allies and we had, you know, the lgbt. We had everyone there, and it was just really beautiful. My entire crew that I worked with, my music producer, my director, all of them in the queer community, doing. They work in queer media, you could say, because my director, Andrew, he does do, like, he has two movies out, and they're both queer based movies, like, based on Matt Sheena. I keep saying it wrong. Mattishina family, it was based. It was like these couples all different walks of life, like, lesbian couple, gay couple. They all, like. It's their parenting journey and everything. It's. It's really beautiful. It's beautiful film. She also did one called the Letterman with Garrett Clayton, and it was about two men during. I think it's some war, civil war, I don't know, one of the wars. They find love, and it's beautiful and it's wonderful. And he's turning that into a feature, so it's a really. It's really fun. And like I said, I've worked with all these people for, like, a decade, and I'm proud to be part of the queer community. I love the queer community, especially the gays. And it's just. I don't know, it's just fun. And I just thought it was a good way to give back. And all the performers were obviously paid. Maybe not Oscar and Jimmy. I think they just showed up for the fun.

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, we actually saved money because we would have gone to dragcon and paid, you know, quite a bag to see me. I know Cory Kings mean great. Probably would have been expensive. The cameos are rising. I got a Corey King cameo on my vlog for. So yes. I haven't seen. It's in the Edison edit right now. It'll be out this week though, for sure. So yeah, no payment was needed because I actually saved a lot of money.

[Trisha Paytas]

So we could probably send you. Did you guys set a release? I could probably send you something for. Okay. There's probably like a non union fee we have to pay or something. But we did pay all the performers. They were all wonderful and they showed up and yeah, Corey, Cory and Jules, they're kind of like the stars of the video. It's a recreation of two Wong Fu, which is like. We talk about this on the podcast. Love it. They knew it too, which I was surprised because they're 23 and 25, which is like so young, but they knew it well. They, they, they were just so humble and sweet. Corey showed up by himself. I think Jules just had like one assistant. I was like, this is it. I travel with like seven people on a music video. Like hair, stockings, pull up everything. And they were just like showed up. They were like literally so sweet, so fun the entire time. Like gaggy. I. I gooned with Jewel sparkles.

[Jeff Wittek]

You gooned?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we goon do. You don't know what goonin is? She's like, you got a goon. And I was like, okay. She even tweeted like, I gooned with Trish Predez. I was like, I got Trish goon with me. That go.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know when Ted was here, explained it differently, but yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, he talked about gooning?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, he's. That's how we learned about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

How does he know about gooning? I thought it was like a.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's a guy in a guy's world.

[Jeff Wittek]

In the men world, for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

In the men world?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. All walks of manliness.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, really?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

How come the fierce queens know about gooning?

[Jeff Wittek]

I think maybe the faces can be kind of camp, I guess. Yeah, I think you're serious about gooning. It's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think this was camp gooning.

[Jeff Wittek]

A lot of like, hand action and a lot of video consumption.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought I was learning some cute new gay slang. I was like, oh, I need some drag slang. What is this? Okay, Something I should not know. She said it was a cutesy face.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think maybe that's the face you have at the end of the session.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. What? What are we talking about?

[Moses Hacmon]

I did not know until Ted showed up here, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, you're turning red. Like you knew.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're like, very good. It's funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

How do you know about gooning? What do you say?

[Jeff Wittek]

Men be gooning.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can't take any more. I only take it from cute queens only. Oh, my God. Okay, I did it. Now she made a cute scene.

[Jeff Wittek]

She was like Jewel. Everything Jules does is, like, cutesy. So I'm sure she was doing the camp way, like, yeah, gorge.

[Trisha Paytas]

By the way, I know I look really small. Like, I was watching the video and I look very, like, short. Not I'm wide, but I look short. But it's only because I was wearing a can heel. I was being the mistress Isabelle of this season. I was wearing can heel. And they all were wearing a huge. Even Cory was wearing, like. Cory got clocked for wearing the small heels by Rue in the season, but she was also wearing, like, gold, like, seven inch ones. Like, so everyone was wearing really tall heels, which I simply could not do.

[Moses Hacmon]

But it doesn't matter what you would have wore. Like, Corey is just like, I don't know, 10ft. She was 10ft up there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, she had. Yeah, she was top.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then her wig was like, this high.

[Trisha Paytas]

The wig gave the inches. But Jules was very. When she took off her shoes, we're actually kind of the same size. I was kind of like, oh, okay. So that's what I'm saying.

[Jeff Wittek]

Jules is. Jules made me look teeny tiny too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Jeff Wittek]

She even clocked me. She's like, I didn't know you were so short. I said, and they're eight inches.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I never realized. I guess that is part of the drag rope. On Twitter, they're all, like, gagging each other. I was just like, oh, my gosh.

[Jeff Wittek]

All the reads. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, oh, okay. I loved it. It was. It was a dream come true. You'll see in the video. Watch after this. But I, I. We did this whole, like, Runway thing, and I felt like I was on RuPaul's Drag Race. It was so good. I feel like we should react to it, but maybe not. Should we wait? I want to say. I want to show it's short. Should we react to it or. No? We're on a tight schedule.

[Moses Hacmon]

We can't. But I think. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Let me show Them. It's only like two minutes. I'll just send it to you. Maybe I can send it to your computer.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or a link.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like even if we don't show the whole video just to see a masterpiece, we can later on watch the whole video on Patreon.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, well, I think we should watch the whole video now. I loved it. I'm, like, gagged by it. Even, Like, I was just watching. I was like, wait, this is actually so. It's actually so good. I don't know. Maybe it's just me. Okay, I sent it to you.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, it was. It was like being on a movie set. I mean, the whole.

[Jeff Wittek]

Gay. A little gay Bowen. Oh, my God. Oh, tumble. Oh, I didn't see this part. Oh, God, I'm scared. It work. I'm dead. Mom ate that off.

[Trisha Paytas]

Mo's going to the shirt.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, my God. Oh, I love this part.

[Trisha Paytas]

I made it.

[Jeff Wittek]

That was so good.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's my favorite video. I just. Okay. Yes.

[Jeff Wittek]

I loved it. That was so good. Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

I never want to show anyone my music videos, by the way. Usually I'm like, oh, cringe, cringe, cringe. But I love that one.

[Jeff Wittek]

No, that was so good. And the turnaround was so fast. I thought it'd be like a couple weeks. But you have a week.

[Trisha Paytas]

We filmed it on Tuesday.

[Jeff Wittek]

That is crazy. And that's colored and everything. It's so good.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is Oscar with the queens I love.

[Jeff Wittek]

Looks so small. I was living. I was literally living.

[Trisha Paytas]

There was another one. This is you, Jules, and Corey.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, my sisters. Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

You got them in both outfits, too. Thank God.

[Jeff Wittek]

I forgot about that one.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then. Oh, yeah, then there's some stills of youf and Jimmy dancing. I love that one.

[Jeff Wittek]

I was really working. I was like, let me.

[Trisha Paytas]

You really were. I was very.

[Jeff Wittek]

I was giving my all.

[Trisha Paytas]

Proud and impressed. And Jimmy, too. I was like, wow. I was really. I just. I really do love the gays. And I feel like I just say that sometimes. Cause, you know, everyone loves the gays, right? It's, like, trendy. It's to be like, oh, my God, we love the gays. Gay fans are the best. But I really do. I'm just the happiest. I was. I realized that. I was like, I think I'm just happiest around gays. I love it so much. It was so fun. I don't know. It made my whole life. It was just, like, fun. I don't know what to say. It's just, like, fun, fun. Fun. And everyone was just happy to be there. Everyone was hyping so much. Joella was like, wait, this song is really good. And I was like, joella, you thought women's world was good too, but you do start reading. I also start turning shady. I'm like, oh, I'm also a queen. I was being so shady, too. I was like, oh, my God, this is me trying. I have never been more intimidated by anybody in my life. I really love the queens this season. And, you know, obviously, when it's the fresh season, they're so. They're so big because the season just happened. It's, like, one of the biggest shows in the world. So I was so happy they all said yes. And I was so. I was intimidated. I was so scared. But they were very, very sweet. Both Cory and Jules was down to come on the podcast. Yeah, we got to get them on. And Jules even sad like, oscar, are you gonna be there? She was so excited.

[Jeff Wittek]

I know. And Corey even vlogged leaving the set, too, and said the same thing. Yeah, they were. Yeah, they were just so. They said that you were so nice. It was so fun to eat with you, and they love spending time with you, and they are so excited to come on just Trish at some point. So I'm very excited. I love them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, everybody. All of them. Joel, like, all of them were just, like, absolute queens. But it's like, you know, when you're young and you also, like, get this, like, new fame, right? Like, Corey, obviously, they're all killing it. They're all doing, like, major club appearance, a lot of stuff like that, and you get new fame. Sometimes you get, like, not in a bad way, but you just. You're really. You're really famous in the moment. Right? And so you're just like, oh, like, I don't have time to do this little thing or whatever. But the fact that they came and did it was, like, super, super sweet. And that's too. I wanted to donate to all the charities because it's just, like, I was just happy they all showed up. All the performers. All the ones. The dancers in the little shorts. They're my pride dancers, but they all dance with, like, Beyonce at Coachella. There's a Britney Spears backup dancer. Like, they all dance with, like, major, you know, celebrities. So the fact that they came and did this little fun song was really fun. So. Yes. And RuPaul. Don't sue me, because we have a little. Shantay. You stay in there. That was. Okay. So I did the voice memo of this whole song to Jeremy, but he put that little part in there, and I was like, I don't know if we can use that. I feel like that's trademarked. But. But we love you and we love Drag Race and we love the queens and we support and. Yeah. So thank you. And like I said, I'll proceed. Songs will go to a good cause because we're not just monetizing off gays just to put in my pocket. We're doing it for good. So download the song, stream it everywhere. Catch us at Pride, June Friday, June 6th, I think, in Washington, DC. One of those. Yes.

[Jeff Wittek]

Anyways, that is so funny. Behind the scenes tea that I have to give is the best part. Is the little dancers doing, like, their booty shots is your mom. You're like, mom, you want to see on the. On the screen, on the monitor? And she's like, no, I'm looking in real life. She was like. She was really into that choreography with a little booty shaking. Yes, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

She loved it. And then she was next to another one of our dancers in booty shorts. And I was like, mom, you gotta get, like, more into it. Gotta get more into it. And she was, okay. I didn't know if I was a gay or an ally. She didn't know if she just wasn't into the man or not.

[Jeff Wittek]

I'm just like, mom.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're just my mom. You're here to support. But she was. She was wanting to know the notes of it all. She's like, well, I'm like, it's everybody, you know? Okay, all inclusive. And Moses, his cameos pointing weirdly. That shot made the cut of him pointing to ice cream on the back of the shirt. I don't know. But I also loved you being there. I was happy you were here.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was caught off guard. I was like, it was my turn to do a solo dance or something, but I didn't even see where the camera was or what was. I was looking at you, and it was just like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I was the most I've seen you, like, nervous. Like, I've never seen you, like, not.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not for myself. I was. I knew that you were nervous about having me there. Like, you know what I mean? No, I was more for you. And that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was nervous. I mean, for you, because. I'll tell you why. Because I was nervous to, like, perform. Like, when we did the picnic table thing, and Jules goes up for a stretch on the picnic table, just looks so fierce. And eight inch heels, just serving, going down, dip and dip and dip. And then Cory's up next. Corey is doing the most. The legs open, like, just doing so much. And then Andy, my director, is like, trish, do you want to go up there? And I was like, in my head, I'm like, no, of course not. Like, I'm seven months pregnant. I don't know if this is gonna tip over. Like, I'm not gonna even be able to move. Before I was pregnant, but definitely can't move now, being pregnant like that. Like, I'm. I'm. But it was, like, my one shot. And I was like, okay, Trish, you did this video. We went and budget for this. We went. Is it budget or no budget? I don't know what to say when.

[Moses Hacmon]

You, like, no budget.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but no cost, no budget. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, we had a budget.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. When you tell somebody, we tell somebody you're on a budget.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or if they ask you, is there a budget? Like, no budget.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

This was crazy. There's no budget.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I haven't gotten the rest of the invoice yet, but usually he knows what to keep it in, but it probably anyways, so I was like, oh, just. Just, like, do it. This is, like, your video. You, like, wanted to do it, but it was the same thing for you. I was just like, I know when people go full out, like, because there was a bunch of solos before you, maybe you don't get intimidated, but I was. I was intimidated. I was like, I don't want to, like, dance. But then I had to, like, let it go. Especially for the drag scene at the end. We did that at nighttime. And I was like, okay, Trish, just do it. Even though everyone else is, like, serving so hard. I just. Just. I don't know. I always thought I was a good performer until I saw them perform. And I was kind of like, damn, I'm really. I'm a mid. Which is fine. I'm. I'm admitted to be a mid. But I was like, damn, they're really, really good. They're just so. What is the word? Coordinated. Like, never falling.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like how. Even when they sometimes do the wobble, I like a fake out. Like, whoa. But they're, like, in control of it. I was like, no.

[Jeff Wittek]

Bowen Arrow, she's, like a local LA queen. I think she's friends. She's friends with Acacia, and she was the one in the blue, the really tall one, but she's literally like a circus performer. Like, she does aerial work. She does, like, fire dancing. And, like, she's so tall. And, like, I don't know, the things she does with her body. My back was hurting just from the little.

[Trisha Paytas]

Me getting up on that table. My back was her. No, I. She. I know. I didn't know they were gonna go full out like that. That was. I would tell you, it's like, right when you guys left, it started, but I didn't know. I didn't know if it's gonna be, like, long or slow or whatever. And they did. They did all those performances, and they did it probably like 30 times, like, full out. I was. I was gay. I was so gay because obviously I watched Drag Race and stuff, but I actually have never really seen, like, drag performers, like, live. And now that's, like, all I want to do because watching it, I was just, like, so mesmerized. And, like, even the featured, like, extras, I guess you could call them, but they were just so wonderful. They stayed and they were so hyped. It was just. It was so cool because I was like, is gay okay? And they'd be like, hell, yeah. They were just, like, so excited. So I don't know. They really brought a lot to it. Yes. And Devos, who's also Acacia's friend, I met her when she came to do the collab, and she was there. Like, all of them were amazing and wonderful, and I feel. I feel honored. So I don't know. It was a good video. This episode of Just Trish sponsored by Home Chef. We love Home Chef. I have been touring and on the road, I'm always eating out and sometimes I just want a home cooked meal. But however, when I come home, we can't find time to do the home cooked meal. How are we gonna go to the store? How are we gonna get ingredients? Home Chef has got us covered. They can prepare a meal for single or family plan. They provide all the ingredients directly to your door. So you get them fresh and just ingredients you need and use. Because sometimes I buy a lot of ingredients, I leave, and then they go to badness. Let's also talk about price difference, okay. Sometimes you think, oh, I'll go to the store. It's cheaper. Or eating in. Or delivery services. No, no, no, no. It makes matters worse. There's so many unhealthy options to sit through. Home Chef can help you save money and eat healthier with their fresh, delicious meal kits delivered straight to your door. Back in the day, meal kits were expensive. Now they are affordable. Home Chef being my favorite. Home Chef delivers fresh ingredients and Chef designed recipes convenient to your doorstep to simplify your cooking experience. They're easy to follow recipes. If I can follow them, you can follow them. They have microwavable ones, they have fancy ones. You can pick your level of comfort. Users of leading meal kits have rated Home Chef number one in quality, convenience, value, taste and recipe ease. Whether you prefer classic meal kits with pre proportioned ingredients, quick 30 minute recipes, oven ready options, microwave meals or dedicated family menu, Home Chef has everything you and your family need need for hassle free delicious dinners. Home chef has over 30 options a week and serves a variety of dietary needs. Plus it's economical. Home Chef customers save an average of $86 per month on groceries. And when meal planning ends up on the back burner, check out Home Chef's new five ingredient meals that simplify prep with super easy recipe steps using just five fresh pre proportioned ingredients. For a limited time, Home Chef is offering my listeners 50% off and free shipping for your first box. Plus free dessert for life. That's my favorite perk. Go to homechef.com Trish that's homechef.com Trish T R I S H for 50%. That's 5, 0, 50% half off your first box and free dessert for life. Homechef.com Trish must be an active subscriber to receive a free dessert. Thank you Home Chef. And how'd you feel doing your solo? You were okay? You didn't get intimidated?

[Jeff Wittek]

I kind of. At first me and Jimmy were positioned right next to one of your dancers, Jonah and he. And then at first he's wearing sweatpants. We're like work. And then he took off the sweatpants and it was like the red booty shorts and we're like, copy that, copy that. So I think we just decided to go full camp because like in comparison it's like well, well, yes. So yeah, fun with it. I was really excited to be there. It was way more than literally I ever thought. You really downplay everything. Even your birthday dinner too. I like that was the whole soiree and we had no idea. I was like, you really do be downplaying things.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, that's so funny you say that. That one was, I feel like low key. But it still was. I was surprised people came. I mean it's because to me I'm like, oh, it's just like a cute few people. But I was always surprised that people came in.

[Jeff Wittek]

It was like little. Did you make your own birthday invitation or. Because it was so like.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it was so like you know me.

[Jeff Wittek]

It was so low key. And I was like, okay. Like, it'll be a little get together, then we show up. And then it's like there's a dj, there's like waiters.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was a little wedding. Yeah, it was like a little the tables and the arrangements and I thought.

[Jeff Wittek]

It was like Moses making bowling.

[Trisha Paytas]

Actually, though. No, I know.

[Jeff Wittek]

It was like a whole thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

One day we'll do that.

[Trisha Paytas]

We were supposed. We didn't have any lights. Moses came through at the end to bring lights because I was like, oh my God, it's gonna get dark. All other parties have like string lights go across. And this one didn't. I was like, okay. Because I don't know, I guess inflation. This party costs more than more. I was like, okay, But I thought there's gonna be some string lights. So the one we thought there was no lights in our house gets really dark at night. What do you come up and you got some purple lights or something and put them out there and stuff. So it was just like a DJ and like someone like a little pasta wheel.

[Jeff Wittek]

But it was like a five course meal, but okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he sat next to my dad, who I just heard talking to you the whole time. Wow.

[Jeff Wittek]

The tea I got from your dad and stepmom. They are so convinced about what? The reincarnation of the Pope. Like they were going hard with their own investigation.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, what? Because my dad didn't talk to me about this. In fact, I thought he thought it was blasphemous. I sent him articles about it. No, because my dad's like, if you guys don't know, he's like a hardcore Catholic now, obviously I'm his daughter, so he's very like open minded, Catholic. But he's like, he goes to church every day. He's very involved. He built the church from the I love you Jesus video. Like, he's very. All the money has gone to the church. I remember one time, like, he donated an absurd amount of money to the church. And this was when I was like, literally a prostitute in Hollywood. I was like, oh, I could have used a hundred dollars of that money. And he donated like an absurd amount to build a church. But anyway, so he's very Catholic. Very. Anything's like blasphemous. He thinks Moses is literally Moses. He sent another text the other day, like, like, thank you so much for saving Trisha. Prayers answered. Like God sent. Like he. Anyways, so that's the background. But what did he. I thought it was blasphemous. He's never talked to me about It. What did he say? He was, like, excited or.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, he was living. And your stepmom, too. Living. Yeah. Because it was your birthday. That was the day the Pope got elected. Chosen. Whatever the. I don't know either.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, the Pope is chosen. I was like, all right.

[Jeff Wittek]

And there was just, like, so many coincidences coming out. And I was like. And they were telling me about him, too. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I know. So the new Pope was chosen on your birthday, which is kind of a big coincidence. Both from Illinois. Your stepmom was born the same year as the Pope, so she's very into that. And only 12 miles apart. So they were born the same year, 12 miles apart? Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Crazy.

[Jeff Wittek]

They were giving me all this tea, and then they were like. They were like. I mean, that's too many coincidences. Like, there has to be something going on. Yes. And the new Pope's birthday is Malibu's birthday.

[Trisha Paytas]

So how does that tie to this baby? Just that.

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, the past Pope died, so you're. Yeah. Yeah. So Pope Leo is the new one. And there was something else your dad was saying something else about. This is Leo iii, but Leo II was the first one to be on video camera, so he thinks that also is tied on to you because you have a career in front of the camera.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was telling Jimmy to find it. Find it and edit it at Jimmy. I was like, okay. Just giving notes to you guys.

[Jeff Wittek]

It was fierce, but they were. They were all.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was into it. I think he was so confused. I remember I sent him because, again, my dad loves, like. He's, like, a super fan of Catholicism, so he loves the Pope and everything. I think it's the first Pope, too. Not only from Illinois, but obviously just, like, American. So my dad. I remember I sent him, like, articles when it first came out. I was like, oh, my God. I'm, like, trending with the Pope or whatever. And I think my dad was, like, confused. So they must have really investigated after.

[Jeff Wittek]

They did, because now they're all in. And there was something else with the eights, too. I forget what they said, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, The Pope was 88 when he died.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And that's my birth year. It is. And he's Pope Francis, which is. My father's name is Francis. So he was like, that's a good name for the baby. And it's a boy. And so, you know, it's not. It's not bad. Moses was talking about middle name being Francis. I was like, okay. Well, the names we think of for the first name doesn't really go with Francis. It would have to be Pope Francis. I don't know. I love that my dad's on board with it.

[Jeff Wittek]

I mean, the amount of coincidences is a little spooky, like, a little eerie. I'm like, wait, I. It was all, like, for gags and giggles. And now I'm like, but actually, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But no, there was a tick tock that has literally, like, this Morning had, like, 9 million views, talking about, like, all the coincidences and, like, Trisha's womb is so powerful. We talked about. I talked about tying my tubes. And you're like, your mom's like, I love it. Do it. But I'm kind of like, what if I'm shutting off, like, a power. What if I'm shutting off, like, life? You know what I mean? Maybe I'm destined to have 10 kids, you know? I don't know. Like, maybe there's something that I need to be doing for the world.

[Jeff Wittek]

There is a lot to think about now. It is, I know, a lot of pressure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because seriously, I'm thinking about it. I'm like, maybe I shouldn't.

[Jeff Wittek]

And then even when you said, like, both Elvis, you know, no one died. But then the explanation I saw was, if Elvis was a boy, King Charles would have kicked the bucket. That's the. Yeah, so he was spared because Elvis was a girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

I see.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, because Malibu Queen Elizabeth and maybe you were supposed to take out Queen Charles, but you somehow had a girl. So then.

[Trisha Paytas]

I see.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. So Charles was spared, and then.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, the Pope cope with the gender roles. Okay, Just.

[Jeff Wittek]

It does kind of make sense because it is like, well, how did anyone die for Elvis?

[Trisha Paytas]

But he was spared.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yes, it was.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was shaky there for a moment. Charles would have sadly passed away when I was. Then I would be like, this is crazy, but the Pope is a little. But we'll. We'll run with it. I love that this is, like, a thing. I love that my dad's behind it. Because I was like, okay, Gen Z, you can have this one. But my dad's, I guess, a boomer, technically, right? So, I mean, he's behind it. Okay. You know, something for everyone. Something for everyone. I'm glad everyone's excited about this. I'm excited. So when the baby comes, everyone's gonna be like, oh, my God, it's the Pope. You know, all right, well, I'm here for Pope Leo. And Leo, it could possibly be my baby. Could. Technically, the due date is a Leo's due date, but I think I'm gonna get a C section early, which would make it a cancer. So we'll see. Because I know when we thought it was a Leo. We like the name Lion King. We thought that was a good one. And.

[Jeff Wittek]

But Pope, because you were gonna do Scorpio King if it was. If he's a Scorpio.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that. That one would have been pretty perfect. But we can't do that anymore. And Aquamarine people love. But I don't mind it for a boy, but I don't know. We'll see what is really switching. Someone suggested we take Elvis's name away from her. Did you not see this thing? No. I had like, a million views. And someone's like, she's young enough, she won't know. And she responds to her name. Malibu calls her Elvis. We say Al Elvis and she turns like she knows her name. Let's just give it to this boy and then give her Aquamarine. I was like, I don't think that's how it works. Our baby girl is Elvis. Baby boy is pending, but pending. That's a good one, actually. Pen Ding. I love the name Pen, actually, so much. I. I would consider it heavily. I like him again.

[Jeff Wittek]

He came back.

[Trisha Paytas]

We finished you. I know this is like we've been doing you non stop, but. But we finally finished it, and you were right in your prediction. I loved it. I loved. I loved her. I loved the ending. I love the character of Bronte, actually. I wish I could have been her. I thought she was so good. I thought she was the one to end. It's so funny. I did see a meme, though. It's so funny. They're like, Joe Goldberg, like, you know, the Eat the Rich killer. He outsmarted, like, all these people and detectives and, like, pinned it on other people, but couldn't outsmart Reddit detectives.

[Jeff Wittek]

He's like, these four Reddit detectives are fear.

[Moses Hacmon]

They are.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I guess. Okay, I guess that's true. That I was just like. That is kind of funny how, like, he was like, literally like this, like, monster that was able to, like, get. Everybody didn't like that. Spoiler alert. Didn't like that Kate didn't die. Like, how did she get out of that fire?

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, how.

[Jeff Wittek]

That was kind of a gag. That was a gag. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And she had minimal scarring. I was like, okay. Which. I get it. It was a nice thing. Like, I, you know, these are my scars. I wear them. Love it. But also, how did you get it? I don't know. I. I actually Loved it. I loved it so much. Yeah. And I just think, again, the argument. I just had a little rant yesterday on my. On my TikTok. My TikTok. Yesterday was hot Topics. I was talking about, like, hot Topics. I was like, let me talk about all these hot topics we'll never cover. But. But I really do hate the fact that they're like, I'll stop romanticizing him. Meanwhile, he is, like, completely naked for, like, the whole last episode of the thing. I'm like, well, how are we not supposed to be like, oh, he's so romantic. He's so wonderful. You know what I mean? Because he, like, looks so hot.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, I think. Well, Penn said that he wanted him to look like a deranged, like, sexual predator.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he just looked like a hot underwear model to me, like a Hugo Boss campaign.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's why it was so contradicting, because they wanted him to wear a white. Like a.

[Jeff Wittek]

What's called white tank or. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Isn't that like a wife beater?

[Trisha Paytas]

Why don't you say that anymore?

[Jeff Wittek]

It's like.

[Moses Hacmon]

But that's. But I'm saying the white tank top is the deranged one. Like, that's the deranged look.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. They literally. To go back to that, even though it's not politically correct. I guess they call it a wife beater for that reason, because it's kind of a tied with people looking a little like the Stand video with Eminem. Like, the. Oh, you know, the obsessed guy wears the white tank tops. So I agree. Yeah. If it would have been dirty. Give him a little beer belly. You know, give him a little bit like, oh, all of a sudden, he's disgusting. Maybe pull out of his hair out. You know, just give him a little bit of a dustier look. But they made him look so attractive. And I was like, well, I mean, hello. You know what I mean? Like, the whole thing, I just was like, okay. And I don't like your crime. I don't like violence. Obviously, it was, like, kind of violent against women. Obviously. Like, but again, it's like this TV show. It's like this fantasy that he would do anything for her. And I liked. I like that he kept coming back to her, honestly, because he really loved her. He was like, honestly, you fooled me once, you fooled me twice, but here I am still loving you. And I was like, t. I really thought at the end she was gonna turn and be like, oh, God, like, how can I? How could I not? He loved her for all her craziness. Honestly, that's the best. That's like Moses, when he loved me through all the craziness, I was like, wow, that's the test. You passed all three levels of crazy, and you're still here.

[Jeff Wittek]

You know, I think the show had to end with Joe Goldberg getting some kind of, like, punishment. I feel like it has to.

[Trisha Paytas]

But did he get punished? Because, again, sorry, I hate. Now we're talking about this, but I'm so. I love this show. Honestly. This might be my favorite show ever, even above British and. But at the end, he was getting those letters from the women. I know you're saying as a comment on, like, society. It's like, the problem is you. But like, I was just telling Moses at the end of it, I was like, he's actually gonna get more women than ever. It's like, look at all the people in prison. Like the Menendez brothers. Even, like, Scott Peterson. All those people. They get so many women in prison.

[Jeff Wittek]

Like, yeah, that was. That was the point of the ending being like.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he gets more. But he's gonna have so many women to, like, choose from and fall in love with.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, I think there'll be another season. Like, this is the perfect. Like, you know, he falls in love with somebody through letters. He escapes prison because he's smart enough to escape prison. He's that kind of guy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he is smart. He's smart, like, good looking, talented.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's trying to feel like he's been punished at all. Like, he's just in another setting in another cage now. But. But there's people around, so as long as he can manipulate.

[Trisha Paytas]

So ripped, too. In prison, he's gonna be like.

[Jeff Wittek]

But he doesn't have a penis, so he can't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did it get shot off completely?

[Jeff Wittek]

Pen confirmed. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Penn's just rewriting some of these things because also, him being like, yeah, he's like, I actually. This is happening. But honestly, girls don't care. What? You know, Like, I wouldn't care when you look like that. You're just kind of like, whatever.

[Jeff Wittek]

Strap it on.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yes. Period. Adam and Eve sponsor next week. I love it. Yes. That is it. Oh, my God. No, he. Right. Well, he wanted to do sex scenes, I guess, for the next season. Like, he never wanted to do.

[Jeff Wittek]

That's why. Yeah, my qualm too. I kind of wish it had more of the trial, like, before leading up to him getting in. In jail because we kind of lose the characters that they bring back. Right? Like, oh, God, I'm forgetting their names, but Marianne and Nadia.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nadia, yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Like, they come in for a little bit, then we lose them. But it would have been powerful if they, like, testified and were, like, part of the reason why he was locked up. Like, they should have showed the women that survived Joe, like, be the reason he got locked up.

[Moses Hacmon]

They did that, though. They did that when he was in the ca. Basement. That was the trial. They all came. They all testified to him. So they did show that in a way, that very little.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not Marianne. More so. Nadia had like. I was like, I kind of forgot her character. I figured out what happened. I'm like, she gave nothing. Marianne came and was, like, pissed. But I agree with you. I also was like, I think Moses pointed this out too. It's like they just left Kate. They're like, all right. Bye, Kate. Kate's like, I'm gonna do this myself. I'm like, bye.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's like, yeah, like you can trust.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, there was a lot of plot holes, but I didn't mind it. It. I like the romanticizing of all of it. I liked. I love Bronte. He has a type. I mean, they all look the same to me. When people are like, oh, she. I don't know. When they're talking about the way she looks, I'm like, they all kind of look.

[Jeff Wittek]

People are so mean. Yeah, she. They were like, oh, she's, like, not hot enough or something. Like, people were spamming her comments on Instagram. Like, y' all are deranged. Like, the character to me was kind of annoying just because she was so. I get it. She was like the archetype of what Joe would fall for. Like, the literary, like, quirky girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

With, like. Because it was kind of like a mix of all the girls that he's been with. You know, like, work, working at the bookstore, going to school, like, being into literature. Then the. With love when it's like, I wolf you. And then she's like, this girl's doing the chow main. Like, slurping it with him.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was. Couldn't get past that.

[Jeff Wittek]

Couldn't get past that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do not kiss me with those chow main.

[Jeff Wittek]

I think she was trying to be a mix of all of them.

[Trisha Paytas]

The woof. You. I forgot.

[Jeff Wittek]

That was so cringe, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. The cringy. I did see that. The. The, like, Gen Z slang. Yes. It was very cringe. There was one they used in this one that was so bad. He called her like. He's like, are you a baddie? I was like, oof. I was like, okay.

[Jeff Wittek]

The way she describes her. Bronte describes herself. Herself. Too. She uses a lot of, like, Gen Z slang, like, mixed in there. I was like, oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

But that part. I guess they're trying to adapt, but, yeah, not working for. But. All right, we're done. I'm sorry. I know. We, like, stretch it out so long. I just was like, I love. I really do love that show. I was like, damn, the show's so good. I loved it. I love this. Last season, I think, was my favorite. I know. Hot take. No one else agreed it was a hot take.

[Jeff Wittek]

But, you know, I love that you stand by it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Stand by it. I'm like, get me on Ozempic. I want to be the next girl. You know what I mean? I need to get down to the 100 pound mark so you can drag me into the cage. But it was. I loved it. I love you too. I just love you. He also seems so supportive. His wife seems so supportive. I started going to her Instagram and she was like, everyone, go stream you. Which I thought was so sweet. It's like, oh, my gosh, like, your husband's making out with all these, like, gorgeous women, and you're like, go stream it.

[Jeff Wittek]

That's my favorite music in the soundtrack, too, this past season. Domino's music.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, really?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. I forgot what episode, but he used one of her songs in it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ah, see, that's Real Love. He's like a real life Joe Goldberg. He's like, here you go.

[Moses Hacmon]

Hopefully not.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, we're watching Righteous Gemstone. Well, we're done watching Righteous Gemstones. I made it six episodes. I can't. Have you started?

[Jeff Wittek]

Have you watched it? No, I won't be.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's for men. It's literally written for men. It's just a bunch of literally men's penises every episode. But comedic. It's not supposed to be sexy or hot. It's always just like, men naked. Walton Goggins is penises in there. I was like. I fell asleep, shout out to my husband, who literally was like, you should rewatch the first part of this episode. And I was like, ugh, no, it's fine. I don't like the show. He's like, I don't know. Walton Goggins in a bathroom. Literally. I don't know. I guess we can talk. Wall, sack, penis. Like, just everything. Most aesthetic.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it's brilliant.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was. It looked like kind of like yours.

[Moses Hacmon]

Thank you.

[Trisha Paytas]

It really did.

[Moses Hacmon]

Thank you. But it wasn't like.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was nice. It was perfect. It wasn't like this, like, crazy comedic, like, length.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, but that length was too perfect. Like, oh, wow, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Too perfect. What if that's his real penis? He's gonna feel so happy. And it makes sense.

[Jeff Wittek]

He used to comment on his Instagram.

[Moses Hacmon]

He loves your take it to the next level.

[Jeff Wittek]

He'll answer you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh, I just messed up my lipstick thinking about that. Well, because, you know, people find him so attractive, and it makes sense that he would have, like, that perfect, perfect bde. You know what I mean? Like, because it is something about him. And so when I saw it, it looked very real to me. And I did like that one, because all the other penises they show on this show, I mean, it makes me never want to look at another penis. Not a bad way. They just make it in a very unflattering. There's always an unflattering situation of being humiliated. Like, they find the people who broke into the thing and they, like, make them take off their pants or the whole show starts off with basically the guy having a sex tape. Who's the main guy? I forget. Danny McBride. Is that. I don't know. I have no idea. Somebody that works with Walton Goggins a lot, but he's, like, naked. That's the whole point of the show. A lot of, like, C jokes. Can I say? I don't know what I can say. Like, I don't know. Just a lot of man humor. Moses, even. It's a show for Moses, really. Because he knew, like, one of the means for me.

[Moses Hacmon]

I just. I just recognize the meme there.

[Trisha Paytas]

There was, like, goth dancing. He's like, oh, it's this meme. And he knew this, like, meme they were recreating. I was like, all right. I don't know. I didn't get any of it. I don't get it. It's not for me. People like it. Bad show. I try to watch it for Walton Goggins. Even that can't save it for me.

[Moses Hacmon]

Look, it's like. It's like taking Reno911 and putting a ton of budget into it. And then it's not the same anymore. You know, it's either, like, low budget funny or there's not. Like, there's too much and not enough that part.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses Hacmon]

And then we watched hacks right after, and we were laughing out loud, you know, so much more simple, so much more. But the writing, the jokes were funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I guess it's meant for us, I think. I think the gem zone is very. And then I put that on my TikTok and someone's like, it's a parody of, like, men humor. Men's humor. And I'm like, I get it.

[Jeff Wittek]

I think Jeff said he likes that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Show, so makes sense.

[Jeff Wittek]

I think that speaks volume.

[Trisha Paytas]

Jeff interviewing Quentin Tarantino. Yes, I am, like, through Patreon, by the way, which Patreon is like, I'm the golden child of Patreon.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't understand.

[Trisha Paytas]

We spy. I spiral all weekend about this, even mo. Like, they probably suggested. And he's like, no, what the hell? I was like, so he got to interview Roger Avery and Quentin Tarantino to promote the video archives podcast. I like, like what I mean by.

[Jeff Wittek]

Your Patreon name is Trish Tarantino.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was before we changed it. It was always Mrs. Tarantino. Trisha Tarantino.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. I had a little spiral over that I saw. I'm like, damn it, Jeff Witt. It's. I'm sure Patron asked. I don't I don't know that disconnect that.

[Jeff Wittek]

You gotta reach out for a statement.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. I give up.

[Jeff Wittek]

I'm just like, oh, that is so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

Jeff Whitake would like Righteous gemstone, that's for sure. It was.

[Jeff Wittek]

He was here when he said he loves that show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What did I say? I was like, I probably didn't know what he's talking about. I was like, all right.

[Moses Hacmon]

Didn't know the thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

He would like it. It's just so, like, guy humor. We were talking about this. I think you were talking about how, like, Joe Rogan early on would always talk about guys being naked. Like, and it's, like, very. It's always, like, a very straight guy thing. Like, I remember this to, like, Vlog squad days, but even, like, high school, like, they would always talk about, like, seeing each other, like, helicopter penis and stuff like that.

[Jeff Wittek]

Like, it's a very room humor.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but, like, yes, but also they would see, like, I remember. I think it was David's bit that's very public in his videos would be like, jonah, pull your pants down. So people, like, yeah, just, like, laugh at your. He would do that to everyone. Just, like, flash people. And I was like, what is this humor? Like, so it's like, I get it, like, but also, I don't get it because, like, what is the.

[Jeff Wittek]

The.

[Trisha Paytas]

The joke? Just like, here's a penis. But you're all men. You're doing it for each other, really. So I was like, this is.

[Moses Hacmon]

I really think it's for the closeted man.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. All of them. Joe Rogan, David Dobrik.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think there's, like, one closeted person that really wants to see. And then they create a humor around it.

[Trisha Paytas]

They all have the humor.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think everyone, like, really gets the humor, but everyone's like, oh, I guess this is what guys do in the box.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everybody would be like, look at Jonas penis. Have you seen Jonas penis? Love? I. I was like, what?

[Moses Hacmon]

But they laugh at everything there. It's not.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. But that particular joke was everywhere. And it's giving me gemstone vibes where I kept seeing every. You left for one, and all of them. There was, like, six penises on screen. And I'm like, what the hell is happening? And it's not cute. White lotus. It's not sexy. It's not anything. It's just like. Like, it's like a Jonah type or, like a. The Nick type person standing there with, like, their. You know, it's a Flaccid penis. And you can barely see it because the belly and you know, all this stuff like that. It's very, very odd.

[Jeff Wittek]

I feel like straight guys laugh at small penises or huge penises for some reason. They think it's, like, silly. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because when you have a huge penis.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, my God, look at that thing swinging. That thing. Yeah, Crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I. I don't know. This is why I say we're all a little gay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because that's what I'm saying.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm sorry. If you're a straight guy and you're just so excited about showing a penis to someone, like, I think think you might have a little. And they just don't want to embrace or talk about whatever. That's their, like, humor, but very weird. I have to skip. I have to stop officially watching Righteous Gemstones, which I'm really sad. But I thought about that because you said Pen used Domino's Song, and I was like, why do they not use I love you, Jesus in this? It would have been perfect. It would have been such a perfect song. But whatever, it's over now.

[Moses Hacmon]

Save it for a better show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love that Megan 3. I gotta follow up with Megan. I think it's supposed to be next week. I don't know. It was supposed to be this week and now I think it's next week. I have a cosplay being made for It Better happen. Yeah, I think we might have to go somewhere, but we'll see. Yeah, I'm excited, too. All right. All that. That's, like, just so much to catch up on.

[Jeff Wittek]

But I know you had an exciting week, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was exciting. I did feel, like, the need to comment on so many things on social media, on the Tick tock on everything. I was like, let me just comment stuff again that, like, no one really cares about. But I was like, let me just weigh in on this. I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait till Hot Topics. I had to say it all right then and there.

[Jeff Wittek]

My big life update.

[Trisha Paytas]

Actually, I have a life update.

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, I got Labubus. I'm fully Labubu pilled. So I've succumbed. I've succumbed to. And let me tell you, actually tying it back to Jewel Sparkles. It's actually her that was the final influence because she opened up Labubus with Anya Nerve, who is the winner of Drag Race, obviously. And when Anya opened that Labubu, she was more excited about that than winning Drag Race. She was screaming in the store. She was so happy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was It a surprise or she, like.

[Jeff Wittek]

It was like the mystery box. And she was like, I really want this colored one. And the one that she wanted, she opened and she looked. The pure joy on her face. I was like. And I was depressed at the time. I was watching this and I was like, I want to feel that. I want to feel that. That, like, inspiration, that happiness, that pure joy. And I went on Facebook, Marketplace, and I found a box of the Boo Boos and I bought it. In a box? Yes, a box. And I bought them in. It was like a drug deal. It was like, in a Rand Mall parking lot. He sent me a photo of, like, his view from his car, like, find out where he was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you go by yourself?

[Jeff Wittek]

By myself, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Gotta be careful.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Honestly, if that's the way I go, that's the way I go for the Boo Boos. That's a story.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Labo, was he by himself?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, he was by himself.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he just had a box of the Boo Boos.

[Jeff Wittek]

He had a box of the Boo Boos? Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Three digits on it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, three digits, but it wasn't that much more. I think there were 33 each. And they sell for, like, 25. So, yeah, I felt not terrible about it. And there's just no way. There's the Jimmies of the world who are, like, on the TikTok lives. They're up. They're at Pop Mart. They have their notifications on. They're getting them legitimately. There's the rest of us that are just trying to, you know, doing what we can. You know, I don't. I don't have the strength to compete in the Labubu market.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would go on Stockx and buy a 300. I can't either. I'm just like, just. I don't know.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's a lot.

[Moses Hacmon]

So don't understand because I see it on TikTok live all the time. So are they not available? I just can go and buy it.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's the whole lore Jimmy does. He sits on there all the time day looking for them.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yes, because they drop them randomly and they sell out, like, literally instantly. And then the stores, like, each individual store has their own, like, Instagram account and they'll post when they stock them. And you have to buy them online to pick up in the store. So you can't even just, like, walk into a Pop Mar and, like, pick up a little Boo Boo. You have to, like, put in a lot of work to get them. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I hide my little Boo Boo for my daughters. I Feel a little sad. I know they would think they were cute, but there'd be nail polish all over them. So I was like, I need to hide these at all costs. But, Pop Mart, we love a little Boo Boo. They did send me the boob, but they sent me a care package. They sent me a new Labubu. But if there's labubus to be had, there's, like, a new collection coming out all the time. And we're down for the I love you. I am someone that's, like. It's too, like, trendy. But I'm someone who likes to be in the craze, Boss. And not like it. Because I'm not, like, a Labubu enthusiast to the extreme, but I like them. I think they're cute. I'm into it. I do buy them. Maybe I should just show them, too. I guess I should start being trendy with them, too. Mine are all bedazzled. Jimmy said he thinks they're real.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, you can scan the bar. The QR code on them found.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he said that he thinks they're real. I have another fancy one upstairs in a Chanel outfit too, but they're, like, little bling ones. But I have regular ones.

[Jeff Wittek]

Real.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, well, I'm glad I have a real abubo. I do love them. I think they're cute. I gotta put them on my bag. Do you have them on your bag?

[Jeff Wittek]

No, I. When I see people, like, out. I saw a straight couple at the mall, and this is before I bought the box. And I was, like, really just wanting a Labubu. And I saw them at the mall, and they would, like. They have, like, six. They had. One girl had hers on a purse. Her boyfriend had him, like, on his crossbody. And I literally had the primal instinct to rob them. I had the primal urge. Like, there was a split second, and my brain was like, take them. Take them. And I was like. Like, I had to, like, tell myself, no, that that's not okay. Which kind of is a little scary. But I was like, I had the urge to rob them.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that's true.

[Jeff Wittek]

Keeping mind the safety of my home. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's actually a very good point because, yeah, Ice. Jimmy wore his out.

[Jeff Wittek]

Like, I would rob him, too. He almost lost his Labubu at Chili's. He said, yeah, it fell off his bag at Chili's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, he is taking pictures of them everywhere. With all the pizzas and the chips.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, he's taking them around town.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

But mine will not be seeing the light of day.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm torn. I do get torn with that because it's like, yes, they're meant to be seen, but you love a collector. You like to just collect.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But then I always think, like, in moves and stuff, I always lose, like, damn, I wish I would have used them at one point. Like stickers. I used to collect stickers and I lost all my sticker collections. Like, I should just put them on my freaking binder, you know? But I was like, I'm gonna save these for something. And then you'd, like, lose. You're like, oh, what the hell happened?

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, I'm a little more on it. You have so many possessions.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're getting an organizer next Wednesday. It's coming, it's happening. I'm so excited. We have. We have people organizing. It's gonna be so good. They're so excited about it too. When organs come to our house, I'm always like, apologizing.

[Jeff Wittek]

I think you're an organizer's dream. Because there's so much stuff, like, even the thought of it, like, makes gives me a rush. I'm like, oh, I can't wait to see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

They like, the more it's not organized, the more excited they get because they know that the turnaround they can, you know, the before and after.

[Jeff Wittek]

Very dramatic.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, they opened our pantry. They're like, literally, they were like this.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Jeff Wittek]

And you have the space. You have all this, like, space to work with.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's what they said. They go in the kitchen like, oh, you have lots of space. You just don't use it. Perfect. Like, I can't. It'll be the best money ever spent. I'm so excited about it. They did give me, like, an influencer. Right. They're like, if you want to do like, before and afters with. I was like, yeah, give me an influencer rate all day long, you know? So I'm very excited.

[Moses Hacmon]

And there'll be a big influx on Poshmark, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, that's true.

[Jeff Wittek]

I can't wait for this.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's gonna be.

[Jeff Wittek]

I literally was like, mom's gonna be freaking busy.

[Trisha Paytas]

She'll be here with them. She'll be like, I'm gonna come too. So she can, like, go through all this stuff. Because to me, I'm like, just take it all. I don't care. But, oh, I'm so excited.

[Jeff Wittek]

Like a little yard sale.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought about that too. Like a little estate sale.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Little pop up shop. That'd be cute. Maybe we'll do that. Because there's so Much.

[Jeff Wittek]

I can't. I'm gonna be looking what's in here. Put it in a nice little pile.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's actually a good idea. Okay, yeah. Okay, we'll do that. Take whatever you want. Honestly, that' even come to the house, they want something. I'm like, take it, take it. Like, I just. I don't know how this stuff comes in. And I feel like I've been doing good job not even buying things. However, people like pop art, we love. But pop art sends like 5,000 toys. I'm like, oh my God, we have all these toys. I did keep a lot of them. I had these little crying babies. They said, oh yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Ariana started collecting those. I think she posted on her Instagram store.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really? What are those, like little crybabies or something? Yeah, they're so cute. I'm gonna put mine in my little croc bag. That little astronaut is a hit. Everyone loves our little pink astronaut in our house. So we love it Popmar. But there's other, other companies that send pr. Jimmy John's in our house. And I was like, there's Jimmy John's hats and cups. That's a Moses PR thing. I was like, what's all these Jimmy John's things? But yeah, I get rid of stuff and yet stuff keeps coming in. But that's okay. Organize it, Organize it. That part. And everyone's excited to organize. But yeah. All right, well, where do we go? Where were we?

[Jeff Wittek]

Organization.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that was your One life update. What's your second Life update?

[Jeff Wittek]

That was my big life update. I did make a lit. I have like a spreadsheet of like, like treats. And yeah, the boo Boo sheet, the Labuu slide is kind of big. There's one that has glasses that I feel like I need cuz I have glasses. So wait, what do you mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Treats? You made a slide of treats?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, cuz I don't like to buy like a lot of things at once, but I make like a list of like things I want to get at some point. So I have a slide that's like labo boo and yeah, you want.

[Trisha Paytas]

With glasses. You don't speak up for the glasses community more often.

[Jeff Wittek]

Do glasses community need representations?

[Trisha Paytas]

The visually impaired.

[Jeff Wittek]

Visually impaired.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you love things with glasses on it like you just said.

[Jeff Wittek]

I do because I see myself in that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, so that's what I'm saying. How come you don't talk about it more?

[Jeff Wittek]

I guess I'll have to speak out and use my platform for good.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like I'd be talking about my glasses non stop. When I feel them on my face, I'd be talking about my glasses, I.

[Jeff Wittek]

Think, because I literally just have them at least 18 hours a day, every day.

[Trisha Paytas]

It doesn't bother you?

[Jeff Wittek]

No, I love glasses. I. I don't like contacts. I don't like the idea of Lasik. I feel like my head is big too, so anything to distract. I'm like, same.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love the glasses for that reason too. But they bother me after. Like, I mean, this part. They bother me. This part. And I. And I love. I have so many glasses and I need them too. I'm also like, I can't see. I'm also visually impaired, but they bother me. After a while. They just like sweat, you know, right here. They get a little sweaty. They mess up my makeup. I don't know, just having them on my face, like, even smiling, smiling, talking. Like, they move when you eat. Like, I don't know. They're not comfy.

[Jeff Wittek]

They do get smudged a lot. Yeah. I hope maybe if I speak out about my glasses more, I'll. I'll inspire you to wear yours.

[Trisha Paytas]

I say you should talk about it more. I never see you rubbing them again. You know, I love when people do that, when they like rub their glasses and clean them and never see you do that. I like.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

We make them. Not a part of your life, but it's fine. I don't know why you don't though.

[Jeff Wittek]

You're right. I will. I will definitely speak out about it more. I have like, I carry like a little shammy with me all the time. So. Yeah, so my backpack pack. So I just always clean them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, okay. I love almost wear his, but same thing with him. You never wear them that often, but when you do them, I was like, wow, look at those. You want them on the music video set, though?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, we can finally show that picture of you three with the glasses.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Jimmy, did you see it? You saw the picture? Yeah, I sent it. And Jimmy's like, Oscar looks like he's posing like an Oscar. Did you see that? You look very small. They all look very similar for some reason. You all look so much like each other. I don't know what it was, the hair, the glasses. But you all looked very similar. It was very cute. I love it. Show all the behind the scenes, Jimmy. There's so many good ones. I'll send you guys the photos too. In the Dropbox link, I saw Stitch was at the Santa Monica pier too, in his little P. Car.

[Jeff Wittek]

Damn. I didn't see him out there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Holly sent it to me and I was like, how do we not know where he's gonna be like, I want to see this little guy. We're gonna have a stitch. At our birthday party. We did. We went back and forth. Moses was very much like, I don't know, they can be kind of scary. I was like, no, she loves those little animals. So there's a ST stitch and it's. Apparently there's a real life lilo. We haven't seen what the lilo looks like, but it's fine. Whatever the lilo is, it's fine as.

[Jeff Wittek]

Long as it's not a white person.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I guess we should probably verify that. It's like Hawaiian.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Whatever it is, it's gonna be dubious for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is not true. They're gonna be good.

[Moses Hacmon]

A real life size stitch is just not like the whole point is like, he's a little cute.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he has a big one. He has a big stitch cute.

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, they have like when Pokemon has like Pikachu go out. It's cute though, because he is like the proportions are make him look small because he has like a huge belly and tiny little feet. So proportionally he does look little. Even though he's kind of big.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's what I think. I think it's gonna be cute. I think he had a lilo stitch about lilo stitch party. You know what I mean? So I think it'll be cute. We are going back and forth with it. Surprisingly, Elvis's birthday is less than mine. That was so crazy. I don't know. Because Elvis, we have so much. We have like dole whip late making hula dancers. Like we have all these like people coming, but it's still cuz the.

[Moses Hacmon]

The food at your birthday was literally like a wedding.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Budget like. Yeah, I know. Moses was like, how is this?

[Jeff Wittek]

It's fine.

[Trisha Paytas]

We'll be on the phone. I'm like, stop, stop, stop. It's fine, it's fine, it's fine. And I never have birthdays. This is my first birthday party.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's your birthday. You work so hard. So it's not.

[Trisha Paytas]

Thanks. That's how I felt. I was like, you know what we did? We're doing this tour this year. I'll probably go back to like having no friends in a year. But I see a lot of people now and I like to see them in their place. Fun. And it's the thing now that they're not always there. I'm no bad friend I'm the one who like, is like tired. I can't see anyone. But.

[Jeff Wittek]

But I think everyone who you're around right now is also like that. Which helps.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, no, it's the best. That's why they get it. We all get it. And then when we see each other. It's fun.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, exactly. We all are in the same boat.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like pregnant and then three kids. But when she does have time, she usually schedule it to work.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, that's true.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then she scheduled the people she loves to work with. And that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, that is true.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like there's no. It's not like we're hanging out with people and not invite those people. You know what I mean? Like, that's our hangout.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And literally everyone there, but it's.

[Moses Hacmon]

You don't work with somebody you don't love. Like, there's nobody around that you don't like, really, really love and want to be around.

[Trisha Paytas]

Even this. I always feel like this is like a fun time because I'm. We're done. Yeah, that was fun. And then I just go up. I'm like, okay, it's like work, but like not.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's like, it is work, but also hanging out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it is. It's like to me it's very. I know I always say this, but I like feel. Feels like the old Shane days where I'm just like, oh my God, we're just gossiping but being cute and nice. You're like politically correct, which I love. You know, you're not mean and stuff, which, I mean, we loved a mean era for sure. But I'm not in the mean era. I'm in the nice era.

[Jeff Wittek]

Tossy. Dumb as hell. Yeah, that was your mean era. Happy six years to. Bye, sister.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. Time and place.

[Jeff Wittek]

Bye sister. Turned six.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think Tyler Oakley was like, should I watch this? I was like, so random. Okay.

[Jeff Wittek]

I've been there, done that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I love that someone. Who is it? Pop Crazy. Someone tweets about it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Everyone was covering the six year anniversary of my sister. Really was her storage. Really? Yeah. The beginning of the end for the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Beauty youtubers trying to end it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where's she now? She kind of came back and then she kind of went away again.

[Jeff Wittek]

I think she's still at it. She's still posting.

[Trisha Paytas]

I never see her on live. I never see videos doing Tick Tock.

[Jeff Wittek]

Live as much anymore. She really was on it. She's selling the boo booze next week. I would definitely die. She said.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Jeff Wittek]

Had a nickel for every time James Charles made a response. Showing screenshots from a text message conversation. I probably have like 45 cents.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, because people said that. They're like, everyone liked his apology because he's been apologizing his whole life. He's like, he has it down to a T and it's like, I mean, it's like not funny, but like funny, you know, because it's like, what the hell? You're just reminded of it. I'm like, damn, where did I hear this before? Where did I see this? I think I seen this film before. That's what it plays in my head, when I see this, I'm like, it's. It's actually wild. I. I don't. That's not for me to get. But I'm also like, what? You know? And it's always like a collective. Every couple years, it's like, oh, my God, this person was awful. This person was this. And he's always like, I didn't know. Anyways, we get more into it later or now. I don't even know what time it is. Okay. Wow. We're cooking.

[Jeff Wittek]

I know. We are cooking.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're speeding along.

[Jeff Wittek]

We get into it now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. We can.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Because mud is as well. It's really kind of the topic of conversation. But yeah. James Charles responded to the Evan Johnson relationship allegations a couple hours after Kayla announced that she won her case against Evan.

[Trisha Paytas]

This was right after we filmed, like, yes.

[Jeff Wittek]

Literally. Right. I got home and then I saw it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Because we saw that she had won and we, like, did the little update and we're like, great. The James Charles thing was when we got home.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yes. And it was a 10 minute tick tock. And I knew. Knew that 10 minutes is gonna be fierce. But yeah. He posted it on May 7. He said, I do not support Evan Johnson in any way, shape or form. And let me make that effing clear. He said that he did have a brief friendship with Evan, but they never had a sexual relationship. He said, Evan Johnson and I did not in any way, shape or form have a sexual relationship. We did not have sex while he was here, and I did not under any circumstances pay Evan Johnson for sexual. Sexual favors. He went on to say, I don't support him. I don't support violence against women. And I sure as hell don't support the disgusting, deplorable, violent, heinous acts that he committed against Kayla Malik behind closed doors. And he said that Kayla has been unwilling to have a conversation with him. And he said that, frankly, I don't effing blamer because after I watched a laughable interview between Be Better and Zach Sellers, I wouldn't want to have a conversation with me either if I was being fed confused, complete lies and misinformation from the person whose only source of information is the same man who lied to and abused me for nine months straight.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. That's like crazy that he, like, blames Be Better for Kayla not talking to him. Because it's like just the admission of him. The text he showed to be like gotcha or whatever. It was like, literally, if you said to me right I break up with Moses, whatever. Can I have him now? I think that's the first. That's the first reason I'm not talking to you. Like, what do you mean? Second of all, he admits Evan was really depressed, so he came out. What do you mean? That is why. And there's probably so much more we don't know. So for him to be like, yeah, she was fed lies. You the one that was being awful, that was the most shocking thing to me is him trying to be like, look, I was this good person. Look at our text messages. I'm like, you're just showing how awful you were as a friend.

[Jeff Wittek]

That's why I was confused about everyone, like, standing again. Because I'm like, okay, yes, I obviously with like Zach and like the be better interview and stuff. There's a whole lot of allegations there about like the relationship between James and Evan. Honestly, I don't even need that. Like, let's just go. Based off what, like James presents. Okay, you present a screenshot of your conversation with your friend Kayla, who. Yes. Is she typing like a 20 year old girl? Yes. Like, she's not on the stand, like writing her testimony about like the serious stuff that she went through. She's obviously talking to. It's a 20 year old talking to her friend. So she is talking like casually about it in her tone, but she still uses the words like abuse, manipulation. She talks about how happy she is to be free of him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

So your first response being, can I have him now? And then you trying to tell us like, oh, it's just a joke. Like, I know that. I know that wasn't the best thing. No, that says a lot about your character. That's the first thing you think of. And then also, also, it's. It's a joke. It's supposed to be. Just be a joke. But then the second he makes Evan makes contact with you, you invite him to stay in your home. So how is that a joke if you are also inviting him over? It doesn't matter what you two did in your home. I'm not even saying that I totally. I can believe you, James, about that. Like maybe you didn't have sex or anything, but the fact that you acted on. Can I have him now by inviting him into your home? And then also he was like, and. And I just wasn't that close with Kayla, like, trying to explain. So you weren't that close with. You weren't that close with Kayla, who. But you only know Evan because of Kayla, because Evan is only known on TikTok because he was the plus one. And Kayla.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Jeff Wittek]

So how are you not that close with Kayla, but you're close enough with Evan to invite him into your home to stay with you for a weekend. Huh?

[Trisha Paytas]

I know that. To me, I know. That's what I'm saying. Like just what he admits.

[Jeff Wittek]

Just what we see. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the way he brings. Resent it. That's the manipulative part. It's just like. And that's why people are like, oh my God, we get it now. We love. He wasn't that close. He was. He doesn't support him. I'm like, so too little too late. Like you obviously did. You obviously. You know, it's, it's. And she was your friend. She was a friend at some point. It's like, how are you not believing her? How are you not seeing all this stuff? And your first reaction is to be like, yeah, come stay at my house after like all of that.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. And also it's like the whole conversation between Kayla and James, like in that screenshot that James showed us. So the one that you admit to. To it like that alone doesn't make you look good. And I feel like the Internet has like a weird like as long the last person to speak and the last person to speak authoritatively. Like people just believe. I'm like, is anyone pausing to read the screenshot? Like all Because James can sit there and Jamesify his explanation of the screenshot. You can read it for yourself and see the words abuse, manipulation and James saying, can I have him now? Like, it is still diabolical.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm sure Kayla came out with like more text messages, more back. I'm sure there's more explanation getting. I'm sure there's a reason she's not acknowledging him, not talking to him. Like, I'm sure there's like way more stuff. Also the fact that she's 20 and he's 26. I mean it's also just like, okay, the balance of there. But it is. But you're very right on that. It's like very. Not to like call it drama, but it's very bi sister because it was flip flopping. It was like everyone's on James side and then Tati comes back and everyone's on Tati's side. And then because like you said, it's like the last person to speak and if she doesn't speak, it's like, okay, well that's it. That's it. Bottom line was James, he acknowledged it. That's it. But. But I am truly shocked because I'm not gonna say, like, he deserves to be canceled forever, but, like, clearly pattern behavior. Not a great person in these situations. And it's kind of crazy how people don't see that at least or can just forgive so easily. I'm not the person just, like, throw the hammer and just, like, that's the end. All, be all. But it is crazy how people just flip so quickly. Yeah. Oh, okay. He acknowledged it. I was like, but okay. Also acknowledging something when you're not acknowledging it when you're also not like, you know what this is. Was like, yeah, I should have. Like, I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's very Kayla. She was focusing on the real problem, which is Evan putting him behind bars, because she's scared. You know, there's this person committed crimes, so she doesn't need to talk about James right now. That's not the issue. That's not at court. That's not what. We're gonna put him behind bars. And she got out of court. She won. Let her be for a moment. Why are you posting the video immediately after that? Like, that's so true. Like, suddenly you're shifting all the conversation.

[Trisha Paytas]

Back to you again for never saying anything. Like, you should have said it earlier. And then now it's like, that happened. Everyone's on, like, Kayla's side, obviously.

[Jeff Wittek]

I get why he had to, like, obviously make a statement, because it has and I guess, in a way, make it about himself. He could have, I guess, waited a little bit longer, but I thought it was funny, too. He was like, out of respect for Kayla, I promised her that I wouldn't say anything until she got justice, but I was like, you just decided to make that promise. You. You admitted herself you never talked to her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Now. And, like, she showed me the screenshot of their conversation. She. She never responded. So took it upon himself to promise, but she never asked. You never needed to. Like, you could have made a statement just denouncing Evan so much earlier. I don't know why you had to wait for her to get justice.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I just see the outcome.

[Jeff Wittek]

I'm like, how, in what world would a James Charles statement denouncing Evan Johnson have been used by, like, the public defender in this court case to be like, oh, no. Like, this is a loophole. There's no way just denouncing him and saying, you support Kelly. You don't stand with Evan. That. That would have been what makes Evan slip through the cracks and get free. Like, and realistically, in my limited judicial knowledge, there's nothing I've heard of where that happens.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. And Kayla's been talking about it. Her sister's been talking about it. Everyone's been talking about this nonstop. And I think that's the reason it got to court, you know, because, like, everyone's talking about it and, like, encouraging her. So it's like, if she would have had support from James earlier on, I'm sure would have been much better than now. He definitely waited till after to hear the outcome of it all.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. And also for the king of receipts, how do you have no receipts showing their friendship with Evan? Like, okay, you want us to believe everything that, you know, you were just being a supportive friend or that he manipulated you and stuff? Well, you're all about a receipt. And where are the receipts documenting your exchanges with Evan? Or are they on vanish mode? I'm just asking the question, right? Were they in vanish mode on Instagram or did they exist? Like, that's really odd to me. Like, we're just supposed to just take your word for it that your relationship was just purely. You were manipulated by him and just wanted to help him out because it's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Always the same story. Again, I think I was never following James like this, but the stuff that we have follow, like the dramageddon, the dinners, everything like that, it's always like, oh, they manipulated me. They did this. And I'm like. But also, we've seen him manipulate us, like, just with these, like, text messages. And we're also like, what did you know?

[Jeff Wittek]

At first I was watching it, I was like, damn, this is all messed up stuff. But then I was like. Then I started thinking about him. Like, wait, but the text message, like, you. She said that she was. He was abusive towards her.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Jeff Wittek]

And you still wanted to hang out with him?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, yes. So laughed it off.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. It just doesn't fly.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's always a victim of younger men. Those younger men, they always get him every time. That is such a victim of them.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's such a pattern. And it's, like, actually so annoying. And it's so, like, crazy. I guess he just has, like, young fans because it's just like, like, over and over again. And it's like, again, you just think. I think we talked about the sport. You think it happens once or twice. And you would think, like, okay, stay away from young guys. Right? Especially, like, I mean, 21. Again, we always talk about this. 21, 26 is like, big difference. But also, like, just stay away from them. Like, you obviously have an issue. Like, you're not handling it as a 26 year old should. And it's like you have an issue with these young guys. Like someone can't control themselves. Which I'm thinking, James, it's like if you really had to invite this person out, like, there's so many men out there. There's so many boys. I guess there's so many like young guys out there. Like, why invite this one out? That your friend was like, he's awful. He's the worst. Like, there's so many. And it's like something he just can't control. I don't know what it is about James. Like, he like can't control himself around these young guys. And again, whatever it is, sexual friendship, whatever, it's like for somehow you're always the victim of it. Then it's like, and what world. I just, it makes me so upset and it just keeps happening. And I'm like, I don't know, like, you lose sympathy. Because at first I'm like, okay, maybe you know these straight guys, whatever, like he, they, they egg him on, whatever. But then it's like, you see, we've seen the Snapchats he's had with, you know, very young guys. The way he is with them too. It's like, I mean, take no blame, take no accountability. And it's like at your 26 year old, it's crazy. He's 26. Because in my head I think of him as like 19 because he acts so juvenile. Like, it's actually so crazy that he's 26. Six. Like, get some help. Like just get some help in this category. Like gold, cold turkey. Like we talked about this before. It's like, you know, you get into these situations, like, don't get into them again. Like the crystal les of it all, you know, it seems like they change because it's like, okay, you got caught and you did something gross. Like, learn from that and stop doing it. Even if it's just like, I got caught, I shouldn't do that anymore. You think James would be that? Even though in your head it should be like, let me learn from this. Let me see where I'm wrong. At least at the very least in the public eye. Don't you want to be like. Like, maybe I shouldn't be messing with young guys anymore, Especially ones that are related to like my friends and stuff. And like you said, the vanish mode. Who was it? I don't know if Zach Sellers is like the most reliable source.

[Moses Hacmon]

I understand.

[Jeff Wittek]

I feel like every guy directly involved in this Is. I'm like, yeah, yeah, someone's a little. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But on that note, you know, he is very much like. I think he said, like it was vanish mode. Which. What? When you said you were asking the question, it's like, probably that, but also why you on vanish mode? You know what I mean? I always think that's like so sus at know. It's like going. Asking people for their Snapchats and stuff. It's like something sus with this.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he's just like, can't be a victim all the time.

[Jeff Wittek]

Kind of funny because James also in one of he showed like the DMS between him and Zach. He also calls Evan, like, dumb. He's like, oh, we know Evan can't talk for himself or whatever. Like, he'll get himself into trouble so he lose. He implies that Evan's really dumb.

[Trisha Paytas]

So.

[Jeff Wittek]

So James Charles was manipulated by just like a really dumb 20 year old.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. And James is not dumb.

[Jeff Wittek]

So no, he's really smart.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's really smart. And mind you, like, I. All our text messages are still there unless he deletes them or whatever. But the DMs he had sent me, you know, it's very convincing where he's like, you don't know all the facts. You don't know this. So I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, you're right. Like, I'm. I'm sorry you went through that because there was a point in Dramageddon where I did feel sorry for him because I think Tati also kind of like, whatever. And it, like, even on me, I'm like, oh, I don't care. Like, I'm not his fan, whatever. Even that. I'm like, yeah, you're right. Like, this is kind of unfair. You're right. This was weird. You know what I mean? So he's very good at that.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's also odd. I really. It's. It's crazy how he is, you know, back in everyone's good graces for the most part. But whatever. I definitely just again, not even from everything else. Like, this is from what James has said in the. And shown in the 10 minute video. Just from that alone. I look at him like, so I don't know if I could ever, like, have that empathy that sometimes. Because I also like the dramageddon stuff. He was 19, so there was an element of like, oh, he's just a kid. But now like, that's gone. He's. He's an adult when like talk to you and Shane and Jeffrey, like, they Were the adults in that situation. So, like, you do feel bad for the kid, but now Kayla is the kid, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

So, yeah, it really. Yeah, I really turned around and. Yeah, I agree. The lack of empathy because it's also the lack of accountability. Like, I really. We talk about this all the time. I hate when people tell stories and they did nothing wrong in the story. It's like, how can you be like, oh, my God, I was a. Or something like that. You're blaming Evan. Oh, he manipulated me. You're blaming Kayla. I wasn't that close to. You're blaming everyone but yourself. It's like. It's just the worst, in my opinion, the worst apology. Because it's like, how can you not be like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because the only thing he did wrong was that he was too kind and he was right and he was trying to help somebody that seemed in trouble and might. And he. And he knew what he's going through because he went through that. Like, he built it all. Girl is such an emotional.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. You still lied to Kayla when she called and asked, are you with them? Like, is that not enough crazy? Like, everything he admits to doing sucks. Like, that shows that he kind of sucks. He's just a person. Because who does that? That would be like, if I was thinking about it too. Like, how could I even, like, relate to it? It'd be like if Tana, like, and Makoa, something happened between them. They broke up. But then Mokoa, who I only know of because of Tana, I took Mokoa's side and was like, yeah, we're like, let you advice. Like, let me show you how to deal with this. But I owe him. I have no allegiance to him because I only know him because of Tana.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Well, I wasn't that close with Tanner, but it's like, doesn't matter. Like, that's how you know him. Like, it's so. Yeah, exactly. That It's a very odd. He's definitely not a victim. And I hate. I hate when people complain like a victim all the time. This is like the fourth or fifth time where he's been like this, where he was manipulated. He was.

[Jeff Wittek]

And the problem is, though, like, with the people who, like, go and make stuff up and dramatize, though, too, because then you give him something to work with. Like the random people making up Tik Tok lives. Like, oh, James paid Evan's bail. Like, don't be stupid, people. Because then you.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's why.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Because now you give. Now James has an argument because People make up so much stuff and, like, dramatize it. You don't need to because the story in and of itself is bad enough. Focus on the stuff that is proven, especially now that James has admitted to stuff like that stuff in and of itself is bad. But then also the problem is it doesn't sound as bad because when it's like, oh, well, well, there is no sex tape. Oh, he didn't pay him for it. Now it sounds like less bad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, like, oh, well, that's better if they didn't have sex.

[Jeff Wittek]

But. But now this is still bad, people. This is still bad. He's everything he admitted to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah. It's very. You're right.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. That's why. So it's not worth it. It's not worth the random moment of clout and then James going to try to sue you too, because you're making stuff up about him paying bail and sex tapes and stuff. And that doesn't matter. Like, it's. It doesn't affect the narrative at all. It just gives him something to work with to silence people. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know I don't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wasn't. The original apology was like, I'm just desperate. I want friends. I wanted.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, the desperate only cuts it a couple times. It's like, I was desperate. It's like, isn't that crazy? You can classify, like, James Charles apology. That was 2019. 2021 was this. It was like, you just like, know based on the year what the apologies were. You, like, knew it, right?

[Jeff Wittek]

Anyway, 2019, James six year six anniversary. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, That's.

[Jeff Wittek]

I think both. Black hoodie. Dare I say? Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, black hoodie.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's his go to.

[Moses Hacmon]

And usually. Usually there's one TikTok when he just cries to the camera. Then he deletes that and then he puts the TikTok, the long one.

[Trisha Paytas]

No makeup then. Makeup. Yeah. It sucks. James could inspire so many people. There's so many people following him and he could like, just. I don't know. I think it's like a sickness maybe with these young guys. Like, it's like an addiction or. I don't know what it is. Thank you so much to Brooklyn Betting for sponsoring this. This episode of Just Trish. Oh, my gosh. Brooklyn Bedding Mattresses. Game changer. It came in such a convenient little roll. I was super excited. I remember Moses carrying it up the driveway. He's like, what did you get? And I was like, we have to try these mattresses. Finding the right mattress is so important. I've learned this. Okay. Take it from a 37 year old. Yes, I'm 37 now. It just was my birthday. I have suffered for so long. I always thought I needed, like, soft, cushy mattress. I am a millennial who grew up with, like, a water bed. What? That's probably why my back hurts constantly just even sitting here. I love the Brooklyn Betty mattress. Not only is it affordable, more affordable than those other, like, crazy expensive ones we had, but you can find the right comfort level. Okay. Sometimes I was getting the soft and that was hurting my back. But then firm. I was like, I can't sleep. We got the right mix with Brooklyn bedding. It is so nice. We got a firm one, but it's not too firm. And I love it so much. I feel like my back, obviously being pregnant, I've been able to turn more and just not have to, like, sink into the bed. I don't know what it is, but it's the. It's really the best mattress I've used in so long and I am loving it so much. I'm so happy we got to try it out because I was like, we need to find the perfect mattress. And we have been on a hunt for it. We've had the most expensive luxury mattresses from hotels. And I was like, this isn't working. And we've had to get rid of it. And we found a good one with Brooklyn Bedding. I'm just really excited about the comfort and the quality and the affordability. It's really, really wonderful. So I'm very excited that they sponsored us. Very excited that they were able to send us one as part of the sponsorship. I was like, absolutely. Let me try this out out. And it's really, really good. Brooklyn betting man has been around for over 25 years. Known for top of the line comfort and quality without the luxury price tag. They're designed, custom made by the best master craftsman in the industry. Free shipping in the US from their factory in Arizona. We love that. And you can upgrade to a cloud pillow top. The Glassio Tex cooling technology leaves you cool and comfortable all night long. Okay, we have to try this one now because that's the other thing is I like to be nice and cool. Obviously, we have our windows open, but summer is coming. The cooler the better. So I am all about this cooling technology. It brings you the next level of comfor matched only by actual floating on a cloud. Who doesn't want to float on a cloud? It's free of fiberglass, which can be harmful to your health. Unlike other mattress brands, they ensure their entire facility is free of fiberglass. Okay, quality check. I think we need to do that more with influencer brands. Sleep on your Brooklyn Bedding mattress for up to 120 nights. And if you don't love it as much as I do, they'll help you return it. Or pick a different one out. Love a guarantee. So go to BrooklynBedding.com and use my promo code, Trish, at checkout to get 30% off site wide. This offer is not available anywhere else. You have to use my promo code on the very last page at checkout to get this discount. That's BrooklynBetting.com and use my promo code, Trish, T R, I S H for 30 off site wide. BrooklynBetting.com promo code, Trish. Thank you, Brooklyn Betting. We love you. And thank you for sponsoring today's episode.

[Jeff Wittek]

Because I would love to root for, like, what the most popular influencer right now being, like, a queer creator, you know, like a queer femme presenting, man. Like, that's awesome. Like, of course we. I would want that. Like, I want. My heart wants to be like, yes, you go, you know? But then the stuff comes up and I'm like, why does he have to be so dastardly?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's rough, that part. It is. Yeah. It is very sad. And there are people who, like, look up to him, and he can do so many, like, things. But I don't. I don't know. I don't know what the answer is.

[Jeff Wittek]

I don't know either. I've kind of given up because, damn, everyone loves him again. He has such a huge platform.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I'm like, james specifically. Look, I'm all for. Okay, like, if it 20s and 20s. Okay, fine, I get it. Whatever. I think James has a problem with dating these young boys, and I don't think he knows how to handle these situations. I don't know. Is Evan straight?

[Jeff Wittek]

As far as we knew, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So it's like a pattern of these, like, younger straight guys. And then he always ends up being a victim. Cause they manipulate as like, well, let's. Let's get on Grindr. You know what I mean? Let's get on something that, like, not your friend's boyfriend. I don't know. It's very. I don't know. It's so sad, the whole thing. So sad. Because I was trying to give Jane the benefit when we were watching the drama again, and there was parts where I felt bad for him because there was parts Tati, like, made up, and I was like, okay, that's like, annoying.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. But.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And you can give grace to a young person, but then if they continue a certain pattern, then that goes away. It just goes away.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's also like, okay, next time, don't do it. But, like, well, this was the next time. Like, how do we just keep saying it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, there's a pattern of young people coming to fame and money and then getting stunted and never, like, he's. He might never change.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, James at 40. Stop. That's scary. Scary.

[Jeff Wittek]

I don't want to think about that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's just gonna be exactly the same. He's gonna talk the same. Look, do everything the same.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right, well, glad Kayla got justice. She seemed relieved, felt safe.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. And she's still going. She's still going to be pressing charges in California, too, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, yeah, she said the courthouse was, like, in the town where he lived. So she's, like, driving past everything she flew to Tennessee for. I mean, that's.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, I'm glad she's seeing it all the way through because also, just with, like, abusive men, like, so often, they get away with it. And I feel like, like, this is a reminder that, you know, you can pay the consequences all because a lot of people do get away and, like, a lot of victims don't get justice. Like, I love that she is seeing it all the way through and, like, showing people. No, Like, I will make sure he faces the consequences of his actions because as we see, too many people don't. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it's very true. Well, hopefully that's last James Charles.

[Jeff Wittek]

I know. I'm hoping I don't got to cover James Charles for quite some time. Time. Fingers crossed.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's been a minute.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. No, it's pretty laid low. Yes. You kind of forget, too. You know, it's been, like, a year of, like, low key.

[Trisha Paytas]

But that's what I don't understand is, like, people do forget. So why don't you, James, just use that to, like, keep going with just letting people forget. Why do we have to. Now we're thinking 2019. Now we're thinking 2021. Now we're thinking all these things again, and we're like, wait a minute.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, there was a lot of.

[Trisha Paytas]

You do forget, and then you're kind of like. But this also sounds on. Yeah, I think we're on the. Not supporting James Charles here for growth, if it could happen. But I think that needs to be, as I say in every show, seek help, because, you know, it goes a long ways. I Think you're old enough now that you're able to seek help for this addiction that you have with these straight.

[Jeff Wittek]

Boys and be able to see the red flags? Like, obviously, I do believe a lot of these young boys are lying. But also it's like you're supposed to be the adults and be able to. To clock that. Because teens and young, early 20s, they're not good liars.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. Especially at this point. We see that pattern. You should see the pattern too. Like what? All right.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, another influencer drama. You're. You're not Rhett. Have you ever collaborated with Stephanie Hsu? No.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but I love her. But also I think I did. I remember when she came for Nakado, I involved myself in that drama too. I also was like, Stephanie sue, you are the scary one. I think so. But I love her. I love rotten mango.

[Jeff Wittek]

I was going to say your friend, but I guess I. I bought her merch.

[Trisha Paytas]

I had her merch back in the day. I was a fan. I. I do like Stephanie Sue.

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, she's been in a little bit of controversy lately too. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So. Oh, yes.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yes.

[Jeff Wittek]

Cuz Stephanie sue is going to be in or has also been in the courtroom covering the Sean Combs AKA Diddy trial, the sex traffic, the sex trafficking or racketeering trial. Inside. She's inside the courtroom. It's a very select amount of press. So it is a big deal that she got a credential and is allowed in the room because it's not live streamed like other cases. There's no like photography, no videos inside the courtroom. So really the main source of information that like the general public gets about this case is going to come from the press. And there's not very many. It's only like a couple. I think, like she said three rows. I think it's like maybe like one or two dozen. So very limited. And it was a big deal that she got this access because she is like an influencer. Sirius xm, they did like a whole press release to announce that she was going to be in the courtroom covering too. So they're like. Yeah. So they're doing a big push to show that rotten mango. And Stephanie they're going to be representing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she's pretty massive. I mean, she is. I know Stephanie Stu from doing mukbangs and then she did the true crime with the mukbangs. Now her main thing is the rotten mango, which I am addicted to and I hate your crime. But I love her voice.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, she is in one of the. She's one of the top 10 podcasts in the U.S. according to Edison Research. Yeah. So that's a big deal. Especially when you think about just how many podcasts are in there. So to be literally in the top 10.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my gosh, that's amazing. So that makes sense.

[Jeff Wittek]

Accomplishment.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. She's in the courtroom.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Because I think even that in and of itself, like that announcement already had some skepticism because, like, obviously it's going to be a lot of traditional journalists in there that Stephanie Sue. So that in and of itself. But her platform is so big, so it does make sense.

[Trisha Paytas]

Does she have a journalism background?

[Jeff Wittek]

Just through. Not technically from what I've read. It's like through just like the. Her content. Like she.

[Trisha Paytas]

No like education for it. Not that it matters. I'm not.

[Jeff Wittek]

No, I don't think so. Or, or like real journalistic experience.

[Trisha Paytas]

Isn't that crazy? You're like in the courtroom for one of these big trials. It's like so secluded and you don't have any background other than you like it. You like a little true crime. You do a little research on it. I mean, she is very great and she's very good at researching. But that's so wild.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, it is, it's. But I think it speaks to the media ecosystem right now too, because look at like Alex Cooper. But she's interviewing Kamala Harris, you know, so it is kind of the landscape landscape where like podcasts and like this generation of like influencers who ended up with like huge shows. They are like the new journalists in a way. For better or worse.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, I mean, I don't mind it. I don't hate it. I kind of love that social media is like getting up in there and stuff.

[Jeff Wittek]

So. Yeah. And even like a Theo Vaughan with like Trump, like, you know, these people do get huge access to like the biggest world leaders and celebrities of the time. So it kind of makes sense sense with how everything else is going. But she posted a tick tock during. After, while jury selection was going on outside the courtroom.

[Trisha Paytas]

This one. Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

And she. The way this. She described her experience with Diddy made people upset because she said the way he looks, you know, when koalas, when they get fuzzy and it's really human and they have very fuzzy, grayish, whitish hair is kind of reminiscent of that. That.

[Trisha Paytas]

What I didn't see that she was like dancing.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, that was the second one. Yes. This was the first one where she's just talking about it and she said the way he looks at every single person in the Courtroom is the most intense thing ever. I feel like he's challenging people to break eye contact first. I almost peed myself. So the way that she's talking about it. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So the way that she's journalist in that. Our social media representation. Love that.

[Jeff Wittek]

So just the way that she's already, like, describing her experience with Diddy and.

[Trisha Paytas]

It doesn't sound like her because I listen to her podcast and she is so, like, professional with the way she handles these situations. So it is. It's weird. Why did I say that?

[Jeff Wittek]

I don't know why.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. Sometimes the F word just comes out. But it is weird. Like, how come she's just like.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, it's like people were coming for her because they were criticizing her for being almost, like, too giddy and too excited when it is, like, a real case with, like, dozens and dozens and dozens of real life victims.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Jeff Wittek]

And then the TikTok you saw was another one where she was. She was eating an uncrustable twirling outside the courtroom, like, to, like, a little instrumental soundtrack. And the caption was just a girl eating her mushy PB&J outside of the federal courthouse after spending eight hours in the same room as Diddy taking 79 pages of notes because cameras are. Aren't allowed in the courtroom. And I know you need to know what's happening.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just a girl.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, my goodness.

[Trisha Paytas]

That one was crazy. That one. I was like, is this real? I had to, like, look it up. I was like, is this real? That one was wild.

[Jeff Wittek]

The twirling. I was like, oh, my goodness.

[Trisha Paytas]

And that one was. Yeah, that was a little again, I feel like it's, like, not her brand. It used to be, like, the cutesy ness, but I feel like she's just not that anymore. So it's just, like, such a weird thing for, like, you said, like, a literal true crime trial happening in real life where.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not only. Yeah, there's, like. And it's. It's intense. Like, again, I think we forget because it's like the videos and stuff like that, like, have come out and kind of forget and, like, seeing all the stuff, it seems like a spectacle, but I'm like, damn, this one was pretty intense too. Like those videos of him in the hotel room with Cassie. Yeah, it's. It's very, like, sickening. And it's like. Yeah, it is kind of wild.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know, just the light. Lightness of it all.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, I think also, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Time and place.

[Jeff Wittek]

Time and place. Is a big one too, because I think, too, like, I've read, I haven't got into Stephanie's stuff that much. I had a very small true crime, like, era where I was, like, very fascinated by it, but I kind of phased out of it. But, like, even reading about her, like, transition into from, like, mukbangs to, like, mukbang slash true crime, like, she did get a lot of criticism for that era, and then that's why she, like, pivoted towards, like, rotten mango, where it was, like, more. More like, focused on, you know, like, the victims and taking it more seriously. Because I think that's also good. Like, she was open to that feedback and then she pivoted, like, she didn't want it to be, like, unserious, like, her eating and then also telling these stories. So she tried to take it more seriously. So I do think she's very open to feedback, which I think is good. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

So less twirling.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. And also, maybe she is just excited because it is obviously a big opportunity because, sure, yeah, the media access is so limited, but also you have to remember that this is a big opportunity and the whole world is watching because, you know, when things also, like, leave, like, the just trish bubble, like, and then get, like, clipped and other people are analyzing without, like, knowing who you are. Yes, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I'd be like, who's this girl? Yeah, you know, because she is so cutesy and stuff. And so you kind of, like, fight against that too. It's like, no, you, like, deserve to be there, but, like, show why. Because if you're the only social media person allowed in there, like, that's such a big deal. Like, you talking to the camera, saying what you saw, like, is. Is. Is so, like, important and apply get the most eyes. Because you are a social media influencer. So it's like, yeah, I think at that point you pivot, which is why I would never want that job. Oh, my God, don't put me on the dating me coming back to report. I think I could be wrong. I don't remember, like, this. It would be so bad. But she's a lot smarter than me and she's a little more articulate than me. So it's like, girl, just keep that. Because I think people would be so excited. And. And the fact that you look. You already look cutesy. You don't have to to, like, act cutesy with a little mushy peanut butter sandwich, you know, which we love the crown crustables in this house. But I was just like, Just. Yeah, because she has, like, it's such a. Such a big deal. And so, yeah, the tiktoks, I just saw them everywhere. And I was like, this is crazy. So when I saw. I was like, is she really in there? Yes, she is.

[Jeff Wittek]

She really.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I still don't really get the koala. Like, cutesy. He's like, cutesy. Or it's like he's had gray hair.

[Jeff Wittek]

Fuzzy and gray like his. Because the last.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it's just like, her attempt of being poetic, you know, like, she's trying to push further her. The way she describes what's happening in the courtroom room and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, got it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Because the last photo of him of Diddy, he, like, his hair, like, is long and gray. And also he has, like, gray beard and everything.

[Moses Hacmon]

He can't dye his hair. So suddenly it's like a fast transformation. I suddenly realize how old he actually is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kind of cute. That's why I was like, I see.

[Jeff Wittek]

Like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Other people in the courtroom also describe some of the things she said of, like, how much eye contact he makes with people in the room. Room. And how outgoing he is towards there. Like, he's still a performer. He's still try to talk to people in the room and ask them how they're doing. All kind of stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So that. That part is real. But I think she's. You know, when people hire her to do this, they want a certain thing. It's like when they wanted you to do Broadway, but they wanted you to mukbang on stage. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So there's that weirdness of, like, they got her for a reason. And part of the reason is that, like, she's supposed to communicate to a younger audience in a younger type of way.

[Trisha Paytas]

I had to fight really hard to not eat sandwiches on stage in my Broadway show. They wanted me in the middle of the show to, like, eat well. I won't say what brand, but it was like, a brand deal. And it's like, I love a brand deal, but I'm also like, but this is my Broadway debut. Do I really want to just stop midway? And all of a sudden we're eating sandwiches as part of a brand deal. I don't know. I get it. Because, yeah, they were like, but that's what you do. And I was like, but I don't want to during my Broadway show, eat. Like, I'm more than just eating.

[Moses Hacmon]

So they come a mugbanger into a, you know, into a courtroom on a big. One of the biggest cases there is so it's like to make TikToks, there'll be something that's kind of.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. There's always a little miss between, like, yeah, like, I don't know what. Who even hires her for this thing? What is it? Who. Who chooses them? The state. The state of California, like, thinking, well.

[Jeff Wittek]

It'S in New York, but which, which network?

[Moses Hacmon]

It was. You said something.

[Jeff Wittek]

SiriusXM.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

SiriusXM is the one behind.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's always like a. Yeah. It's so funny. Dealing with brands is very much like that. They think it's very like one way. Even my little love sack, which they love. But the little lovesack chair, which I love that chair, that's still my favorite chair. I made Moses drag that all the way up. I'm like, we're keeping this chair. They're really funny. They're like. Then she takes a handful of chips and crunches really loud into the microphone. I'm like, I love that. That's like the brand.

[Moses Hacmon]

They think they mixed it everything. It was like they wanted asmr. They wanted a mukbang slurp.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're like, make sure she has some chips. I'm upstairs.

[Jeff Wittek]

Get the chips.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought we were just saying a cutesy little kick out thing, but yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah. Maybe they're like, do a viral TikTok. I don't hate it necessarily. I think it's kind of cutesy too. I like it. I mean, it's funny, but also, I don't know, I don't hate it. It's weird. I would do some like that for sure. I'm definitely gonna be doing something inappropriate. Look at me with Pope Francis, just still talking about my baby. You know what I mean? But I'm also not Stephanie Sue. I'm not talking about true crime, but. But I love her. In my mind, she can't do any wrong. Even though I did come for her when she came for Nikocado, which I don't know why Nikocado's coming to California in June. So he said, anyone wants a collab? I sent him another podcast. I guess he's looking for of collabs and just collabs in general. He's doing another surgery, so we'll see. But I went hard for Nikocado during the Stephanie sue thing. It was a big fallout. It was a big deal too. The Zach Choi. That was drama. But it kind of got looked past. I think it was 2019. It was that year. Oh, that's by sister My downwards by spiral I had a party where Zach, Troy and Nikado were there, but then they had a falling out. It was very crazy. Oh, Zach Choi took Stephanie suicide. It was very, you know, he was very. If it was a trial against nicocado, he was against Nikocado in it. It was very interesting, but. All right. Stephanie Sue. I like that she's out there doing big things. I know Alex Cooper. Yeah, we mentioned her and she's like, has a documentary coming out. Like, damn. They're all.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. I think people discrediting Stephanie have to realize, like, like, okay, having that many listeners and that many eyes on you, like, a lot of traditional media outlets don't even have that, you know, so it makes sense why I do think she deserves that access. And I think, like I said, I feel like she's very receptive towards criticism. I don't think she wants to piss anyone off or like, insult anyone, especially.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Victims. True crime coverage is always going to be hard because there's always going to be that debate about, like, the ethics of covering it and talking about it and stuff like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that's why I always think, like, they should, like, I guess it's not like business, but I feel like they should be donating to, like, the families, like giving the money to the families or something. You know what I mean?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Because that's always going to be a thing too. Like, if you're talking about, like, you know, victims and stuff, and then all of a sudden you have a brand deal for, like, you eating chips with love stock. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, it feels a little.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. So the ethics of true crime media, especially, like with tick tock and YouTube and stuff, it's always going to be weird. I think there's no.

[Trisha Paytas]

Would you rather work in true crime media or queer media?

[Jeff Wittek]

Queer media.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that term. Is that. Did she coin it that Queen, or was that always a thing? I never heard it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Love her. I do love her. I feel like it's probably always been a thing. I mean, there's. There's queer outlets, you know, like the Advocate and stuff. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Okay.

[Jeff Wittek]

Pink news. Shout out. Pink news.

[Trisha Paytas]

Pink news. What is that one?

[Jeff Wittek]

I like that LGBT outlet.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Lovely News. I love that she's like, I work in queer media. Because then Sydney Arimo's like, do I work in queer media? I was like, do we?

[Jeff Wittek]

Are we. We are in queer media, technically. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like that term. But it makes sense now. It's like, oh, yeah, they also work in queer.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I mean, just Trish, right? The beginning was on, wasn't it? On Grinder?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. We were in the grinder. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

In 2023, 2024.

[Jeff Wittek]

We slipped, but I feel like we're back on the come up. You're doing a lot of work this year. I think so.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm fighting for that Grinder number one spot. I don't know if I'm gonna ever be Trixie and Katya, because they are. Even at my own shows, people are just like, we're Trixie and Katya. I was like, okay. Which we love. But also like, yeah, by the way, I should just say I picked the queens that I did. Oh. I reached out to them because I knew they were fans, I feel. Or, like, liked me, at least. I would never reach out to, like, a Suzy, too, because I love her. Or, like, on your nerve. Obviously, they're queens, but there's no indication that they would know who I was or, like, liked me. But each one of these queens has said something about me. Corey King did Kissies for my Fishies. Jewel Sparkles gave me a shout out in the Las Laches song. Obviously, Acacia did me for snatching, and Joelle recently tweeted me. So if I knew they were people who kind of liked me, that's because I felt that you guys know my fear of rejection if I.

[Jeff Wittek]

Especially people you love.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, oh, Suzy Toot would reject me.

[Jeff Wittek]

I know, Me too.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would have been, oh, my God, I'm too scared. Even last minute, I asked Corey if Lydia wanted to come, but she's doing All Stars. But I don't think Corey saw the message because she's like, I don't ever check my messages or whatever. But even then I was like, oh, I'm too scared to ask. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. It's very. So anyways, I don't know. I thought I should clarify that because I would love every single queen to be in my video, but I'm terrified of asking anyone. But when I see a queen follow me. Or I think her Mona Lisa had also put that she, like, impersonated me. So if I see them like me in some capacity, then otherwise I would just assume they're probably like, ugh, who's this? Who's this wannabe? Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, you do have traumatic drag queen relationship.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And they'll read me. They'll come for me. Rightfully so. I do not want to get read. But, yes, I love all of them. But I would be. Yeah, I'm always scared to ask. So just noted on that. Which queen? Did we just talk about that? I mean, we think that. Oh, Trixie. Oh, well, I didn't ask Trixie because I've been DMing her like 20,000 times, so no response. I would love a Trixie and Katya, but they're. They're superior.

[Jeff Wittek]

They're busy, too. They always got some. Trixie, I think is on tour again, too. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they're like. Weirdly, we were, like, in the same cities and stuff like that, like, kind of following each other for a minute.

[Jeff Wittek]

If you can't get Trixie. Actually, no, you can't even get Trish. Sold out. So these next ones.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, right, right. Yeah, we're pretty much sold out for the rest of the year.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sorry.

[Jeff Wittek]

So we can't get either. They're both, like, sold out Queens.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we kind of are actually. Sorry about it. Maybe come to World Pride. I don't know how that works. They just buy. Anyone buy a ticket?

[Jeff Wittek]

I don't know. I think so. Yeah. It'll be like the Lady Gaga performance in Brazil. It was just like 3 million people in the whole. The whole town.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's how I'm feeling. It's gonna just.

[Jeff Wittek]

The drone shots would be crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Would love that. I know what just happened? Was it Wango Tango this week or Something Happened and Meghan Trainor, which. Yes, that Jagged Me, but, like. Okay, so that's what I'm not scared of. It's fine if no one shows up to my set. But it's. They showed it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, was it. I think. Wait, no, you say. I thought you're talking about something else. The Megan Trainor, how she changed all the. All about that bass lyrics. She made it the skinny version.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, really?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

She said that's something else about her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Oh, my God.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, my God. The big end. Because, you know, it goes. Yeah, it's pretty clear I ain't no size too but I can shake it, shake it like now it goes. Yeah, it's pretty clear I got some new boobs and I can shake them, Shake them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Skinny queen. I'm a size 2 now she's like.

[Jeff Wittek]

F y' all, I'm gone.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's.

[Jeff Wittek]

She's not all about. I'm surprised she even did that song. She had to, like, skinny. Fire it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, if I'm skinny, I'm no longer doing fat chicks. That's crazy. That's just mocking at that point. That's just rubbing it in your face. Be like, okay, where's my Patrick's at? Just kidding. I lost. I'M autozepic. It's not me anymore.

[Jeff Wittek]

She is so snatched in this dude.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's so snappy soupy.

[Jeff Wittek]

She is like, oh, my God, New.

[Trisha Paytas]

Boobs and a bikini. Like, she looks so good.

[Jeff Wittek]

And this is all about that base.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, oh, my God, where's the base? We want to see that. The bass in the room. Yeah. I didn't know she changed the lyrics.

[Jeff Wittek]

She made it the skinny version. Maybe she'll release, like, Taylor all about that base. Skinny version.

[Trisha Paytas]

She needs it. Yeah. She needs to come out with a skinny bop. For sure. I always thought about that. In fact, I think I did come out with a skinny bop. There was a song I wrote called, like, Revenge Body or something. And it was like, really? When I thought I was gonna be skinny. So I wrote the song before I got skinny. I was like, watch. I'm gonna lose, like, 100 pounds. I'm gonna do this video. It's like body on 10. I think we played it before. That's my revenge. And it's just, like, talking about, like, how fit and snatched I am. And obviously, I never got fit and snatched, but I was like, this is gonna be the comeback song. Whatever. She needs to do that. That's wild. No, I was talking about. And it's like, again, not a bad thing, but like, there was an angle where it looked like nobody was there. But it's like. Then someone said everyone was in the pit. Like, they pushed everyone to the front, whatever. So it could have been like 30,000 people, which didn't look like it, but it looks like nobody was there. So everyone's like, what happened? Like, whatever. So I was thinking about that with festivals, they're like, oh, 40,000 people are gonna be there. But I'm like, what if they're not there for my set? You know, what if it's like this huge? Stage and festival grounds are huge if they're expecting 40,000 for JLo. But I go on at 5pm and there's only like a hundred, which is, like, great. We love it. It's gonna look like that, and then everyone on the Internet, I'll be like, oh, my God, ten people showed up. Which, by the way, would love. It'd be everything. But it was. I thought about me then performing at a festival. I was like, oh, this could also be me. Also, people thought it looked like Tana performing vegan trainers. Yeah, I saw.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was so late. I thought Tana Mongeau was doing covers of Meghan Trainor songs, but it was just Meghan Trainor singing her own song.

[Trisha Paytas]

She didn't like Tana. She was giving Tana.

[Jeff Wittek]

That is so funny because it kind.

[Moses Hacmon]

Of like what she wore in Vegas with you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. She looks great. I mean, she does look good. Wow. It's so crazy how she talked about doing Manjaro. Is that what she did, right? Yeah, yeah, she's pretty open about it. Damn. The skinny era is upon us. It's not going anywhere. Everyone's just being so skinny. Not me. Thinking about what I need to eat after this because I didn't eat breakfast. I didn't get to go to the grocery store yesterday. That's how busy I've been. I was like, oh, my God, I need something. I had a lemon bread from Starbucks and a Frappuccino and an orange. I guess I did have a little bit this morning. I did have a little bit. I love that we had Meghan Trainor news. The big one for me was. But I don't know if anyone cares about Ace family on our channel. I kind of care. Juicy Catherine is making. Wrote a book.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, was that new? I saw that she wrote a book. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's coming out in July. Oh. Pages have apparently leaked and she has revealed that Austin cheated on her. What? Wait, did you know? Did you not?

[Jeff Wittek]

That's brand new information.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, but that's crazy to confirm it. I was a little sus. I was like, okay, maybe they were broken up. Maybe they were separated, whatever. And then he was like, starting to see those girls in Malibu, whatever the hell he was doing, sending them them Ubers. So that's what I was thinking. I'm like, okay, separation. They're not together anymore. But this was like at the peak, at the height when they did that basketball game at Staples center, you know, where they're like in the middle of the thing.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He, like, invited another girl there because she was like, it was weird. We, like, she. We were a family. People knew us as a duo. And I was like, oh, should we walk out together? And he's like, I don't know, like, do whatever if you want to or something like that. But he wanted the moment by himself. The girl that he was, like, supposedly cheating with allegedly, like, was there. And. And Catherine's like, I kind of clocked it. I was kind of like, I saw this girl, girl. I was kind of like, why is she so close? Why is she so here? Whatever. But he invited the girl he was cheating to the freaking basketball game. Like, that's crazy. It's one thing to, like, Cheat. Okay, awful. You're a pig. But at your charity basketball game, where your family is at and your wife that you, like, built this thing, and it's not like he's famous. This is my pet peeve with men, when they think they're famous because of them. But it's like, you're famous because you're ensemble. Yes. No one wants to see the Austin McBroom Show. Clearly. Like, where is he at now? Is the podcast still happening? We don't know. Know, like, maybe you got a little bit of money from Snapchat for your clownery antics, but that's because you made yourself look like a fool, which will live on forever. And you'll embarrass your kids. Like, it's like, is it worth a dollar at that stage? Like, no, I think when you have kids, it's not. Look, I was. I was a clown for so long, too. I get it. But, like, when you have kids, you don't, like, want to embarrass them, but it's like, whatever. That aside, you think everyone there at the Staples center for you, like, you're not gonna have Catherine walk out with you. Like, that's the whole reason they like you, your kids, you're all of that. That. It's like, so wild to me, like, how they get these egos and so many guys get this way. I think it was Shay Carl. I know that I'm like, dating myself for so long. There was a guy named Shay Carl who's like, a whole thing was like, I'm a family vlogger for Mormon. Do you remember him? Yeah, he's a Mormon from Utah. Tards Shade, which was. And they call their kids, like, Princess Tarred and like, all this. Yes.

[Jeff Wittek]

I didn't remember the kids name.

[Trisha Paytas]

Son Hard. Like, they were all like, tard. And it was what you would think, too. It's obviously like the derogatory word you can't use anymore, but it's like, that was their whole thing. And they would call their kids these. They would film their vlogs, everything. Film their birth. But he thought he was the star. He went out and started talking to, like, a webcam model.

[Jeff Wittek]

And I was just like, I remember that.

[Trisha Paytas]

What is with these guys? Like, you build your fame off of your being a lovely. Like, Ned, too. That just came out with the try guys talking about Ned, who's like, I guess no longer with his wife. I guess, allegedly that. No, that was something. It's like you're known. And Ned would too, was like the wife guy. Like, oh, my God, the wife. Like, if that is your whole, whole thing, like, how the audacity that you would think, like, going out and talking to another woman would. They want you people. No. Nobody wants you. Austin McBroom didn't write a book. Would anyone care? Could you imagine his side, my side? It's like, no one gives a cares about Austin McBroom. I didn't really care. I didn't know much about Catherine. I want to say I want to care about her when I care about her. I was like, what the hell? Like, that's crazy. She was better than me. She was pregnant. She was pregnant when he was, like, cheating on her and all this stuff was happening, and she had to, like, act like this was all, you know, they were happy and it was all this thing. But I just. I. I hate men. Holly Madison just recently exposed this weekend her ex Zach from the Ghost Hunter show who just, what, cheat? She, like, yesterday in real time, I was watching it. She was. Three girls have come forward with proof. Four, five. The number's up to seven this morning. I'm like, the audacity of these men. These ugly men who literally have nothing going for them except for their spouse, except for their significant. Holly and him were so pretty public. She's so beautiful, so independent. Has her third season of a TV show out currently right now. Like, all of this stuff, I'm like, how do these men find the time? How do they. But, you know, my theory is this. It's like the ugly ones, right? They get the fame, the money. It's like the Shay Carl, Austin McBroom, like Zach from Ghost Hunters. It's like they get these fame, and then they get the girls throwing themselves at them because, like, whatever, they're young girls. They want some of the fame. They want to feel like, whatever. I get it. Whatever. I don't blame the girls, but it's like. Like they cheat on these beautiful women because I feel like then they're like. So they think these girls want them because they're like this hot commodity. It's like, no, they're just trying to get the clout from you. Like, they want not. They don't want you. You're ugly. You're disgusting. Like, I just. I don't get these men. Like, they're so dumb. Austin was so lucky. When you look at Catherine, you're just like, damn, that girl is, like, so beautiful. And you look at Austin, and he just looks like a clown. You know what I mean? Like, he just looks like a clown. Zach too Zach, old hunting ghost at 50 years old. Old. And you're cheating on Holly Madison. What? With multiple. She's calling him out. She showed Costco. She goes, when he cheats in bulk. You know what I mean? And it's just like, these men. I just. I hate. I hate cheaters so much. Especially with these public relationships and stuff. Like, get a divorce. Separate. Be honest. Catherine was, like, blindsided. She was just like, I had no idea. Like, I know to us, it's like, oh, wow. Yeah. That was obvious. But it's like, she probably was like, what the hell? Like, at the height of your fame, you're making millions of dollars off being a family, and you're really gonna cheat. Stupid. Those are people that. Those downfalls. You're like, good. Honestly.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Be better.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do the job.

[Trisha Paytas]

We want that. That's what we need. I want to see the downfall of all of it. Yes. Go ahead.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's it. But having children and to do that, like, I can't imagine Catherine, like, you have kids, you're pregnant, you have a. Like, you have a family, you have a life. Then you become successful. And he probably worked hard to get to that point. And then she's like, suddenly you're left alone with, like, that's. That's just. To me, it's like, you have kids. I don't know what. Doesn't matter what your obsession or addiction is. You need to get rid of it. Because, like, I don't know, like, the children is right there. To rather have.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Some stranger woman than hanging out with your kids. Like, that's time you could spend with your kids. That's something that never compute.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're very right. And on that note, Joe Goldberg, because he didn't care about his kid. You're so right.

[Moses Hacmon]

I kn.

[Jeff Wittek]

Cuz he, too, had the kid.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's like, I love him so much. I love him so much. I'm like, okay, why are you at the bookstore with Bron? You are so.

[Trisha Paytas]

You are so right. You are so right. Oh, my God. At the end, he's like, my son. I can't take away. What? You haven't seen your son this whole season. Now you're sad when you're about to. When you're naked and Bron doesn't want to have sex with you anymore. Now you're like my son. Son. When all you care. Oh, you even told Bronte. All I care about is you. You're my number one priority. What about poor little Henry over there? Him too. He is a cheater. You're Right. Honestly, more guys should not have a penis. I feel. I feel when you cheat, you should get your penis card taken away. Just a little piece of it each time. You know what I mean? Then let's see how many of those women want you. Let's see how big and bad you are. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Every time you cheat, you lose an inch.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, love that. That part. All right.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. You're right.

[Jeff Wittek]

That rocked you a world, that revelation.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. How do you have a kid and you got him back from his dad? And you have this, like, wife that's taking care of him, that's like, the mother. Like, you really are gonna give it all up for Bronte. Someone who was catfishing you, you dumb. Oh, my God. That makes me so mad. I hate him. Crazy. Well, that's it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Moral of the story, Joel Goldberg.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you're right. He is the worst. I was thinking about that, too. And then we were talking about, like, the Kayla. I was like, you know what? He was kind of awful.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. What's worse? I mean, he's both. But a serial killer or a serial cheater?

[Trisha Paytas]

He's both.

[Jeff Wittek]

And absentee father. Damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

Triple homicide. Triple. We need Pam Baj down here to discuss further his thoughts about this character that were never on paper. All right, thanks, guys, for watching. We love you. So now we have to go. I'm doing a top secret project in Koreatown. That's why we had to start early. And it's me and Scott Disick.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's on the call. I don't know if we're interacting, but you'll see soon enough. I don't know. It's not that top secret, but it's fun. We're on the way. What? Oh, merch. Sleep shirt. Just trish.com. go to our patreon. Patreon.com. just trish. There'll be a new head shot. There'll be bonus videos, extended podcast, and more. Donate to the Trevor projects, the acl, aclu, Drag Defense Fund, Trans Lifeline, and put all the other good charities and organizations can be for anything and anyone. We love to donate because give and. And give freely. Don't expect anything in return. Feels like a Trish talks all of a sudden.

[Moses Hacmon]

Popcorn.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's okay to be gay. Popcorn machine. What? Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

The way you build a sentence.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love you. Jesus loves you. The Pope loves you. This new Pope is really going to change the world, I feel. Well, the reincarnation for sure. Gays Gay rights. Gay rights and gay marriage. That's what I'm here for. Forever and ever work.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think we had the marriage.

[Trisha Paytas]

Huh?

[Moses Hacmon]

We got the marriage part right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I think you have gay rights. Oh, no. They're being taken away some. Some states, right?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, wow.

[Jeff Wittek]

Come to California Challenge. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're gonna stay liberal and gay here all day long. So that's what I'll do. Maybe run for governor, because I think our governor is a little dicey, but I might be next.

[Moses Hacmon]

You could. Schwarzenegger was tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

I tweeted Patrick Schwarzenegger. He hasn't tweeted me back. Remember after last time, I was like, hey, all right. Love you guys. Thanks for watching.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, and go to the main channel and watch music video to support the cause and everything. Go watch the video.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. It's a good one, too. And it's a really good quality high art piece I put out there. All right, bye.

[Jeff Wittek]

Sam.