Nov 18, 2025

Summary

Just Trish Podcast — November 18, 2025

Host: Trisha Paytas
Co-Host: Moses (Trisha’s husband; occasional input)
Absent: Oscar Gracey (Note: He contributed behind the scenes via notes)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Just Trish is a solo-plus–Trish and Moses–effort, broadcasting from New York during Trisha's last week performing in Beetlejuice on Broadway. With Oscar away (but texting in hot topics), Trisha dives into a packed list of trending pop culture stories: celebrity baby news, Millie Bobby Brown discourse, toddler skincare controversy, recent “apology tours” by problematic influencers (Ned Fulmer, Colleen Ballinger), the emotional loss of Jenna Marbles’ dog, and more. There’s a sense of unfiltered candor and occasional frustration as Trisha reflects on influencer accountability, growing up in the spotlight, and maintaining personal peace amidst internet drama.

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Main Themes & Tone

• Celebrity Apologies & Accountability: Deep skepticism toward recent influencer “comebacks.”
• Motherhood & Busy Life: Candid updates from Trisha about Broadway life, parenthood, and balancing work.
• Pop Culture Commentary: A fast-moving, highly online take on trending stories, blending humor and insight.
• Gratitude & Connection: Repeated thanks to the fanbase and personal reflections about growth and self-awareness.
• Mental Health & Boundaries: Emphasis on protecting emotional well-being in the digital age.

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Key Topics, Insights, and Memorable Moments

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1. Life & Career Updates

Timestamp: 04:00 – 14:30

• Broadway Run Nears End:
  Trisha reflects on her emotional final week performing in Beetlejuice and how energized she feels by both New York and the theatre experience.

  “I will never get sick of it. …It’s like my people, you know?” — Trish (07:15)

  Moses asks what it’s like to do so many repeat live shows. Trish highlights the joy of live performance, audience feedback, and cast camaraderie.

  • Brief behind-the-scenes: last minute scramble for co-hosts, love for New York, being active with kids and Broadway.
  • New music (Sad Boy 2005), upcoming “Trishmas” tour dates, and pride in niche MCR (My Chemical Romance) content.

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2. Fan Community & Gratitude

Timestamp: 13:08 – 14:33

• Reflection on how loyal fans travel to live shows and hold onto Trisha’s memorabilia.
• Calls out longtime supporters, giving thanks for their ongoing belief and presence.

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3. Millie Bobby Brown “Mom Discourse”

Timestamp: 16:58 – 21:27

• Viral photos spark debate: Millie Bobby Brown seen handling car seat, bags, shielding her baby from paparazzi while her husband trails behind, seemingly not helping.

  “Help her, please. Yeah, help carry the baby or carry the bags and the car seat.” — Moses (18:53)

• Trisha and Moses discuss judging relationships from afar, the physical and emotional demands of new motherhood in the public eye, and Millie’s perceived resilience post-child star turmoil.

• Side conversation: celeb childhoods, helicopter parents in Hollywood, and when/how to protect teenage kids (“I’m always going to be the more relaxed parent.” — Trish, 24:40).

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4. Toddler Skincare Line Controversy — Shay Mitchell

Timestamp: 28:40 – 34:17

• Shay Mitchell’s new “jelly mask” line for toddlers draws outrage online.

• The hosts perspective as parents: Trish doesn’t see it as dystopian, but rather as playful, age-appropriate mimicry that kids genuinely enjoy.

  “It’s just fun…something for them to do. And it’s sensory almost.” — Trish (31:16)

• The real concern is ingredient safety and realistic price points.

• Broader point: Society’s discomfort with girls' interest in beauty routines vs. the reality that “DIY spa” culture is often innocent, fun, and about bonding.

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5. Wicked Premiere & Red Carpet Dreams

Timestamp: 34:17 – 36:46

• Trisha’s excitement about attending the Wicked movie premiere in New York, sharing dress/appearance plans, and a lifelong dream to interview stars on the red carpet.
• Hopeful to meet or talk to cast like Jonathan Bailey, Ariana Grande, Cynthia Erivo, and Jeff Goldblum.

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6. Ariana Grande Wicked Incident & Celebrity Security

Timestamp: 36:46 – 44:55

• Recap of the viral moment at Wicked Singapore premiere where a serial stage crasher attacked Ariana Grande.
• Cynthia Erivo’s quick reaction praised:

  “That’s the real superhero!” — Trish (37:45)

• Security and public safety: Moses critiques security for repeated failures.
• Reflection on the precarious, sometimes dangerous nature of ultra-celebrity, and the burdens of fan expectations:

  “I could never handle being A-list.” — Trish (42:54)

• The difference in fan access/parasocial relationships between traditional celebrities and influencers.

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7. Catherine Paiz Pregnancy & Austin McBroom’s Reaction

Timestamp: 45:43 – 54:23

• Catherine Paiz is pregnant again shortly after her wedding to Igor.

• The hosts contrast Catherine’s composure and “glow” post-divorce to Austin McBroom’s ongoing, cringeworthy public commentary:

  “He was sucking the energy out... now she’s the star, and he’s still trying to feed off her.” — Moses (48:56) “The fact that he says something— even if you say 'I’m happy for her', just say nothing. That’s great.” — Moses (53:08)

• Discussion about spiritual awakenings (ayahuasca, ego death) and moving on after public relationships.

• Broader rumination on self-sabotage, online behavior mirroring, and learning from public mistakes.

• Takeaway: Content creators must learn self-reflection and real accountability, not just public messaging.

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8. The Death of Jenna Marbles’ Mr. Marbles

Timestamp: 62:38 – 67:31

• Emotional discussion about Jenna Marbles preparing for her beloved dog Mr. Marbles’ end of life.
• Trish reflects on the unique, unconditional love of pets, and the collective grief of internet communities.
• Moses muses about animal consciousness, pet psychics, and the blurred line between animal and human connection.

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9. Ned Fulmer & Rock Bottom Podcast Critique

Timestamp: 71:55 – 82:18

• Ongoing FYP appearances and continued “apology” content from Ned Fulmer frustrate Trisha.

• Critique of his repeated deflections, especially using his wife as a “human shield” after the Try Guys scandal:

  “Stop using your wife…stop talking about her.” — Trish (73:55) “You keep popping on my page and that face…just looks like someone’s trying to weasel his way out of everything.” — Trish (72:13)

• Moses suggests true redemption would come from real, sustained service — not a podcast.

• Repeated theme: tiredness with influencer “self-help” podcasts, especially by those who haven’t demonstrated growth.

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10. Colleen Ballinger’s PR “Apology” Tour

Timestamp: 82:18 – 108:20

• Trish revisits the emotional impact and anxiety of Colleen Ballinger’s past actions, including the sending of nudes and manipulative group chats with minors.

• Moses deconstructs Colleen’s recent “tea time” podcast PR blitz:

  “They were literally handing her the talking points as she was going.” — Moses (85:17)

• Both hosts stress that calling out grooming, abuse of power, and manipulation is not “drama,” but a necessary stance, especially when apologies are absent:

  “I think, like, how can you not…just not say sorry?” — Trish (92:14)

• Key discrepancies are called out: shifting blame, refusal to use “children” or “grooming” language, relying on “comedy was different back then” justifications, and weaponizing motherhood as an excuse.

• Frustration that the interviewers seemed either underinformed or complicit in furthering the “moving on” PR approach.

• Consensus: Only genuine accountability (“say sorry,” direct amends, not PR retellings) will suffice, and both Ned and Colleen’s public approaches remain deeply insufficient.

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11. Final Reflections & Advice

Timestamp: 108:20 – End

• The episode closes with encouragement to the audience:

  “Take care of yourself. Take care of each other. Take care of your mental stability…Protect your peace.” — Trish (108:20)

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Noteworthy Quotes by Timestamp

• On Broadway repeating:

  “I will never get sick of it…It’s my people.” — Trish (07:15)

• On Millie BB’s husband:

  “Help her, please. Carry the baby, or carry the bags…” — Moses (18:53)

• On apology culture:

  “Stop using your wife, stop talking like… Just keep moving on, like you said.” — Trish (73:55)

• On Colleen’s PR tour:

  “They were literally handing her the talking points as she was going through it.” — Moses (85:17)

• On accountability:

  “How can you not just be like, ‘I’m sorry’?” — Trish (92:14)

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Additional Highlights

• Ad reads and promotions are peppered through but skipped by host request.
• Oscar’s absence is noted throughout; his presence is missed, but his research shapes several discussion points.
• The hosts intermix humor and depth, occasionally self-deprecating or poking fun at themselves or their podcast format.

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Structure & Flow

The episode weaves personal anecdotes, reactions to headlines, and broader societal observations in a conversation that feels both off-the-cuff and incisive. While Trisha’s signature “chronically online” humor is present, there’s a notable seriousness concerning topics like influencer responsibility, parenting, and the complexities of forgiveness in the digital age.

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For Those Who Haven’t Listened

This episode is a mix of heartfelt updates and hard pop culture truths. It’s for listeners wanting both behind-the-scenes reality from one of the most enduring online creators and smart, sometimes biting, commentary on the intersecting worlds of YouTube drama, celebrity culture, and the shifting standards of online ethics.

Transcript

[Trish]

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[Trish]

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[Trish]

Toddler skin care line coming out. And there was, oof. The reactions right off the bat.

[Moses]

Was it makeup or is it skin Skincare?

[Trish]

So like jelly masks, like hydrating masks for toddlers? Really? I don't, I don't want to be talking about Ned Fulmer, but damn, like you keep popping on my page and that face. So either apologize or just don't talk about it. And there's no apology. Which should be noted on this episode was the title was originally Colleen's actual apology to Colleen telling. Telling her side of the story. They switched the title, which is tells.

[Moses]

You everything you need to know.

[Trish]

What everybody thinks. She's just. Yay. Hello and welcome to Just Trish. It is truly just Trish today. We are, we are, we are lacking in co hosts. We usually have an abundance of co hosts and we are, we are lacking. We. We try to get some guests. We try to get some last minute co hosts. I love you, New York, but we got some. We got some flakies. And I'm not gonna lie, my schedule changed a lot too. So, you know, it is what it is. People are busy, people are busy, I'm busy, people are busy. So we're appreciative of everyone who came along and everyone who couldn't come along. We get it. It's fine. But you know what? Even when it is just Trish, you always know Moses is close by. It's never fully.

[Moses]

Just always be there.

[Trish]

There's always Moses.

[Moses]

It's like the Bodyguard, the movie.

[Trish]

Yeah, you're always there.

[Moses]

But just a podcast.

[Trish]

Yeah. What? No, in life, if I'm around, you're not far behind. It's just how I look. And I'm appreciative of you being here.

[Moses]

But we have amazing hot topics, though. That's one thing we do have.

[Trish]

We have amazing hot topics. I was texting Oscar minutes before this. He had a whole list of notes. Sometimes if Oscar can't come, like, he'll. If he had notes, he'll give him notes. Sometimes we just wing it. He had a dissertation of hot topics today, and he was just giving knowledge and facts. And you guys know, I'm not going to give the knowledge and facts as good as Oscar and Moses neither. We're both chronically online, but also on the way here, just trying to find clips of Ned Fuller apology.

[Moses]

Well, I mean, bad for him. I was up from 3am this morning, so I get to watch his videos. I got to watch.

[Trish]

Oh, oh, so you're right.

[Moses]

I gotta watch the Colleen interview. So I have things to say. You know, unfortunately for them, you know, I was up all night, so I was.

[Trish]

Yeah, you got the time?

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trish]

All right. Well, I was looking up clips. But before we get into all of this, last week on Broadway, Beetlejuice on Broadway. Anyways, maybe I'll be back to Broadway soon. Who knows? But this will be the very last time I. I will be in Beetlejuice on Broadway, and it's the last time Beetlejuice will be on Broadway. They're leaving January 3rd. I will be doing my final performance November 23rd. I'm.

[Moses]

I'm truly going by fast.

[Trish]

Right.

[Moses]

So we're like halfway. More than halfway into our Visit here.

[Trish]

We're 3/4 of the way into our visit.

[Moses]

Wow.

[Trish]

I'm. Yeah, we've been here a long time, and I'm. I'm. I'm truly devastated. I am so emotional. I have, like, I really have fallen in love with New York. Like, I've always liked New York. Ish. I guess. Like, you know, it's Broadway. Like, I'll come New York, watch Broadway. That's it. But this.

[Moses]

This being on Broadway makes it all.

[Trish]

Well.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Trish]

And also with the kids and just, like, really having energy in life. I don't know. I.

[Moses]

Right. There's more things we want to do than we have time to do them.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

And we do every. From the moment we wake up till we go to sleep, we're doing something.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Like, it's never like at home. Sometimes, you know, we lay on the couch for an hour or something. Like, that never happens.

[Trish]

Oh.

[Moses]

At home, we're all the time doing something.

[Trish]

And. And the kids, like, kids like, being at home. Like, we're all home bodies. We just love to just be at home and eat food and stuff. But here we're just, like, always on the go. I'm also like, you know, because I do Broadway, I feel like I love it, but then I feel, like, a little selfish. I'm kind of like, this is like, my dream life. I get to be a performer, and then I'm always just like, oh. So to make up for that guilt, I'm always just like, I want to spend not. And I don't even know if to make up for it, but I'm just trying to spend as much time as I can with the kids. So when I go at night, and it's so cute, because, like, Malibu will be like, oh, like, did Daddy go pick you up? And, like, you know, he's like, I got to go get Mommy. And she goes, oh, Daddy picked you up? And I was like, yeah. So it's just been like. I don't know. I just have so much more energy. I don't know. Like, I. I was worried, and I am. I know I'm like, four months postpartum, but I was worried that I would never get, like, my energy back. He has three pregnancies, and, I mean, I did go on a tour, but that's, like, work, but energy to, like, live life and, like, be with the kids. Like, I was so worried. I was like, am I going to be that mom that's just, like, always tired? Hence why I started doing Pilates and stuff. But I guess being active with, like, Broadway and also just, like, dancing and be on stage and that maybe, like, gives me more energy.

[Moses]

And the city has its own energy, so it feeds into you. Like, it's just a whole different. I don't know. For me, even the buildings, they're made of, like, it's all concrete and metal, and there's movement, and there's so much going on all the time. Like, you sleep at night, you hear cars and beeping, and things are moving, and it gets to you.

[Trish]

Well, I was about to say, if you're here in New York for one more week, go see Beetlejuice on Broadway. And.

[Moses]

You won't regret that because it's amazing. I mean, the show is amazing. I've seen it so many times. I still enjoy it so many times. And then some of the people we see coming out of the show, it's their first time seeing a Broadway show. So I think you're doing a great job as far as Getting Broadway to.

[Trish]

You know, a new audience.

[Moses]

New audience. You. Yeah. Like, exposing people to something new and then. But I was. I want to ask you how, like, usually everything you do is a one off and you never do it again. How is it to do something where you actually do it again and again and again?

[Trish]

Like, oh, like Beetlejuice every day.

[Moses]

Like, something 24 times. And Broadway, they do hundreds of.

[Trish]

I will never get sick of it. I. And I mean that so sincerely. Like, I didn't know either because I can be, like, overwhelmed by things and commitments and stuff like that. I'm like, I can't. Like celebrity Big Brother. I, like, couldn't even last four weeks. I'm like, I need to leave, you know? Like, I don't know. It's like the opposite of whatever triggering is. It's like the opposite, like, is so, like, endorphins. Like, it's just like, I love going. I love signing in. Everyone's excited. Everyone's, like, dressing up in costume and wigs. It's like my people, you know?

[Moses]

So it's live.

[Trish]

Live is so fun.

[Moses]

Like, it's not like a TV show. It's like 100 takes.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

To get one thing, you get one and you feel immediate reaction from the audience.

[Trish]

And every night's a different reaction. Every night I feel a little different.

[Moses]

Like, sometimes. Different actors.

[Trish]

Different actors. We had different actors going this week, which was, like, super fun. We had two understudies go in for lead roles, Lydia and Charles Dietz. And then my. Which. The person who plays my husband in the show, Max Eading, he had it going for Charles Dietz, which was weird to see. And then now I have a new stage partner, and my Mark is his name, and he's a swing for Beetlejuice. I think Charles Maxi, I think Ortho, like, he's. He knows all the parts. So then I got to. He was my rehearsal partner, too, so we already, like, knew each other. But that was fun, though. That was fun. I, like, loved seeing it all. It was like. And I was just mesmerized by all them. Like, I was telling Travis, who plays Maxi, and then was playing Charles, I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe you did that. And then Mark, too. I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe, you know, all this. Like, they just. They just hop in and they just know. Broadway will always. It's always. It always will be the most.

[Moses]

Like, I was shocked they didn't call me most Snails.

[Trish]

What power would you play if they. If you could.

[Moses]

Well, I want to be your husband.

[Trish]

Oh. Do you know the lines?

[Moses]

Of course.

[Trish]

Okay, ready? What's the first line they say?

[Moses]

He says, like, hey, slum, Charles, y'.

[Trish]

All. Old slum. Word. Put it there. What's the. Okay, the Maxi and Maxine interaction. What did they say?

[Moses]

Well, then he talks about. Oh, speaking of luggage. If you met my wife, my fourth wife.

[Trish]

You gotta act, babe, if you're gonna take the role. If you have to be an understudy, if you're gonna be a swing.

[Moses]

And then so mean.

[Trish]

So you know all the. You're like all the roles.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trish]

He's so mean to me.

[Moses]

I'm his fifth wife.

[Trish]

I'm his fifth wife.

[Moses]

And then. Oh, then you do the bow. And then he's like, yeah, have you met my. No. But then he's like, I know she's all body.

[Trish]

But he doesn't say she's all body.

[Moses]

Like, body. That doesn't stop.

[Trish]

My baby's got a body that doesn't quit.

[Moses]

That hasn't quit. And.

[Trish]

And.

[Moses]

And the. Brandon doesn't work or something. Yeah. Anyway, I want to give too much spoilers.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trish]

I guess I can't either.

[Moses]

Come and see it.

[Trish]

Well, continuing our promotions, Beetlejuice will be over in a week, and I'm devastated. But fear not, Trish and audience, I will be back on stage November 30th in Long Beach, California. To kick off, Trish, Miss Sad Boy 2005 will be opening at both the Thousand Oaks and Long beach show. I will be. December is another busy month. I'm shooting another major TV show. I guess I can say that. I'm shooting another major TV show. I'm shooting another major brand campaign.

[Moses]

And speaking of Sandboy, new music, new music video, new music coming out.

[Trish]

Get your tickets to Trishmas, though, right? We have new music. We'll talk about that. The MCR, every snowflake. I'm also going to San Francisco, Newark, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Washington, D.C. and Vancouver. So get your tickets today. Trishmas is going to be so lit. New costumes, new songs, new Christmas songs. Our new holiday song is coming out. Yes. And then we did. The new Sad Boy 25 came out with their first music video in four years.

[Moses]

Yeah, it was so much fun to see the whole band and everyone.

[Trish]

It was so much fun. It's like, happy. They're, like, sad, and they're like. I think the top comment on there was, like, target audience, Elvis and Malibu. And I was like, yeah, it was. It was fun because. So I like to, like, pride myself. And, like, I am a newer MCR fan. I did, like, kind of just discover them around pandemic time, which I know they've been around. I've been around as long as they've been around, like, 2006. Well, but I'm newer, but I love when I can get, like, a niche thing right. Obviously, Black Parade is huge, but like I said, oh, I'm gonna do mcr. Yo Gabba Gabba. Every snowflakes different. Because the word is that Gerard agreed to do Yo Gabba Gabba because his daughter who was probably like, Malibu's age at the time, liked Yo Gabba Gabba, which would be equivalent of me probably, like, doing, like, Ms. Rachel or what are the, like, like, you know, cocomelon.

[Moses]

Now it's bluey sunny bunnies.

[Trish]

Oh, yeah. Blue like anything. Sesame Street. So he did it for that. And I was like, oh, this is so niche. But also, like, you know, my kids would like it. And they do love it. They next to righteous gemstones misbehaving. They love every snowflake. They wanna watch it over and over. And I was, like, so excited. I'm like, this is so niche. And the MCR fans are like, this is so niche. We love it. And we shot it October 20th before we left. And then, like, literally a week ago, it was announced that mcr, my whole Twitter timeline is. MCR News is going back on Yo Gabba Gabba because it was 2011 when they did the song. So that. What is that? How many years? 14 years later? Yeah, like 14 years later. Now they're coming on Yo Gabba Gabba. I feel like. So I pushed it early. It wasn't supposed to come out this music video after Thanksgiving, but I'm like, I need to put this out now because I, like, filmed this before. Universally aligned, I guess, with My Chemical Romance. But I'm excited then for them to see if they're doing every snowflake for my Yo Gabba Gabba or if they're doing, like, extended or something new. But I felt very. I guess manifested it without manifesting it because it wasn't out there yet.

[Moses]

But maybe they heard about it and they were like, hey, we need to jump the gun here. This is.

[Trish]

Oh, yeah. Maybe. Maybe they saw a little sneak peek somewhere. Like, wait, that's ours. So that's what's been going on in our life. Trishmas, Beetlejuice. Thank you guys for coming out, buying tickets. It's. It really is so crazy to me. So crazy. People come to the Heirs of Trish Tour came to Beetlejuice. They have like their shirts that they came to the Broadway show in January. They have their playbills, like, and people.

[Moses]

From UK that flew in from Canada, from all over the States. It's quite amazing.

[Trish]

Yeah, it'll be cool to see people come to Trishmas with like their Beetlejuice playbill. Like, I saw you Beetlejuice. And like, to me that's like so cool because people did that. I don't know. Just like, I don't know. It's like, it means a lot that people come. Trish Crave has come to like, all of them, obviously. Daniel and Catherine and Brian and like you know, all, all our usual. So it's Autumn squarepants who I love on TikTok. Like, it's been cool. I don't know, I feel very, just like grateful and, and just humbled and excited and I've been very busy. So, yeah, I'm lacking with my Hot Topic knowledge, but I've caught up a little bit, as always. Most of this is for entertainment purposes. Some of this is just, you know, also personal. Personal maybe. I don't know, maybe, maybe not. I'm on Broadway, so I don't know. I'm not really.

[Moses]

You don't take it personally? Who to the people watching or the people we talk about? Audience don't take it personally.

[Trish]

We love you so much. Is that all our announcements? I guess. Patreon. Patreon.com Just Trish Moses has his 30 minute podcast that we've been doing here because we don't have our bonus episode. So we do like a. Moses's topics are what? Like he. There was something. I don't know what it was. He was giving me a topic and I was like, that might be a Moses hot topic for Patreon because, like, it's so random. He's like, did you see the wedding ring? That's a can opener.

[Moses]

And, and, well, it's not a can opener.

[Trish]

He was excited about it back there. The man behind the curtain, he laughed.

[Moses]

It's a beautiful ring. Some people said it looks like, like people were trying to criticize it.

[Trish]

And then when she showed me, I kind of like the ring, actually. I was.

[Moses]

Yeah. And then also we do, we do get a lot of comments of people that, you know, they miss the pink studio and all that. And we'll be, we'll be back soon. It's. It's really temporary, but we just didn't want to have nothing. You know, consistency is important. We want to Fail and want to make stuff.

[Trish]

Yeah. And next time we can bring like our blankets behind us or we'll ship the blankets because we like run out of room. We can put some pink. Pink and white blankets behind us. I miss it too. I know. We had the NIA episode go up and like one of my favorite episodes. And like, everyone's like the pink and white. I'm glad it sparks so much joy for people or like contentment or peace or safe space for people. Yeah, we said, I try to wear more pink for you guys today. I literally like overnighted an outfit here because I need to get some more pink in here. Trying to do pink, trying to stay consistent with pink. But yes, we will be back soon. Patreon.com Just Trish if you guys want to see the extended with our Moses 1. We also have some other fun videos going up. So check that out. And I guess that's pretty much. It's pretty much it. We had Jimmy here last week. My sister will be here next week for Hot Topics. We miss Oscar terribly. I was just texting with him. He's like, I'm having Hot Topics to draw. I'm like, I know like, one thing like Oscar's irreplaceable with is just like, knowledge. The setup. Like, he's so. I mean, there's lots of things by him, but like, he is so we miss him too. So I know he's just so knowledgeable. Hence why he has another full time job in entertainment. Because he is so great. He's so knowledgeable. And we'll be back in action soon. It's not going anywhere. I won't let him. Just kidding. All right, well, here we go.

[Moses]

Let's just jump straight into it.

[Trish]

Jump into my first one. There's a lot of, like, toddler mom ones out there that I like, wanted to talk about. Millie Bob Brown, have you seen any of her paparazzi pics?

[Moses]

Paparazzi? No. I've seen the premiere pictures.

[Trish]

Oh yeah. She's been out with her baby. She's a new mom and she's been out with the paparazzi and she's like, you know, holding the baby. But what really stands out because there's like multiple pictures. She's with her husband and, and she is holding everything. The car seat, the baby. She's like lifting things. Like she's trying to shield the baby from the paparazzi. She's like yelling at the paparazzi and the husband's just like trailing behind her, not holding anything.

[Moses]

How is that even Possible. I know.

[Trish]

Everyone's just like, this is wild. Like, I try not to judge relationships. I'm like. And especially women can do everything too. But almost like, not having, like. Like someone. I don't know. He's right there with her, basically. And it's like.

[Moses]

Because the thinking of it, when I think about it, it starts with the safety of the baby.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

So I'm like, okay, if you're holding the baby, give me everything else.

[Trish]

Right.

[Moses]

Like, I want you to be the most, you know, secure, comfortable, and I don't want you to trip or anything, you know?

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

So that's where it starts. And then besides that, you know, like, help her carry stuff. Like, yeah, car seats are heavy.

[Trish]

She's taking them out. She's like. And he's like, never in the pictures that are out circulating now. He's never assisting.

[Moses]

Interesting.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Did look like real paparazzi or. Yeah, called paparazzi.

[Trish]

No, no, it's definitely real. And she's definitely, like, annoyed. She's like, holding a baby. Like, I stop. Like, the baby's here. Like, she's definitely, like, annoyed. He's definitely, like, trailing behind her.

[Moses]

Yeah. So either at least if he was, like, helping her hide from them or. Yeah, that'll be one thing, but I don't know. It sounds.

[Trish]

Man. Oh, my gosh. I know. And it's like, again, hard to judge from just like one. A couple paparazzi pictures.

[Moses]

But it's not. We're just saying, hey, help her, please. Yeah, help carry the baby or carry the bags in the car seat.

[Trish]

Millie. Bobby Brown. I just. I don't want to, like, victimize her, but I feel like sometimes I'm like, damn, she's been through so much. Like, she, like, came out great. Like, I do think she's, like, crushing it. She has, like, she just did, like, her. A makeup brand launch. I think she had with Tana was there.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trish]

I talked to Tana when she was like, where was that? She had, like, a makeup brand and she said she was, like, so nice. She was like, they were on, like a. At an event with, like, loud music and like, Millie by Brown was like, can we turn the music down so we can hear the tick tock? She was so nice. She's, like, crushing it. And she's like, very well, like, seems mentally, you know, well and stuff because she, like, had a baby very young and got married. Like, she seems like she's. But I like, just feel sad for her in some ways too, because I feel like with like, the paparazzi at the premiere. Like they were. Or the. Not paparazzi. The. I guess like the media people. She had like a. I don't call it like a chapel, but a chapel where she's like left the photo line because they were like being rude to her. And then you think about like the Drake of it all who was like friends with her when she was 14. The. The David Harper allegations. I guess, like, just. I don't know, I just feel like.

[Moses]

Yeah. I mean, children in the industry, it's always. Because I don't know her, like, as far as family, like, what the situation is. Like, are they. When she was a kid, are they on set? Is she like protected? Is she. You know what I mean? Like, you see different kinds of actors.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Some actors are just like child actor left to be. And some. The parents are at every second sheltering them and making sure everything is fine. I don't know what her.

[Trish]

I don't either. I mean, like I said, she seems pretty, like well adjusted, but I don't know. Freaking as just recently talked about Hillary Duff's mom being like on set and like helicoptering her. He's like, I couldn't even like, talk to Hillary without her mom. Just like being there right next to her.

[Moses]

It's kids.

[Trish]

Yeah. I don't know. It's kind of tough because it's like, okay. When they're 14. Right? Like, it's just like any. I think if it's just like a regular kid. Right. Like, okay. Frankie Muniz and Hillary Duff are the same age and they like want to hang out. It's like, yeah, I maybe like monitor it, but you have to like, sit like on the same bed as them. Be like, hey, guys.

[Moses]

Well, I don't think that's what I mean. Like, sitting.

[Trish]

No, like, literally he painted that. He's like, I could not talk to her about the mom being like, right on top of me or her.

[Moses]

Yeah. I think. I mean, I think in on set and people in the industry, I would. Yeah. I would not leave my daughter alone ever.

[Trish]

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[Moses]

You have a.14 is a very different age. Like once they're in that.

[Trish]

Oh, you think it's. You need to be more on top of them at that age or less more. Oh really?

[Moses]

Oh yeah, yeah. Because there's more.

[Trish]

More than like a three year old.

[Moses]

Yeah, three year old is. Just make sure they're safe when they're older. You make sure that there's much more things can happen. Especially in that kind of situation.

[Trish]

I would like. I think I disagree on this one. I feel like a three year old like I'm always just like don't be mean, don't hit. Because you always see like things happen like they hit this person, whatever. Like I'm very much like I try to give the space but I do want to be on top. But I'm like, I'm like from afar. I feel like at 14 right now.

[Moses]

Now there's the, it's the same but they're added to that. There's like, you know boys at 14 have a whole different now intention of course. Right. So that that makes it even worse.

[Trish]

But you can't just like let's say it wasn't on a set like our daughter's at school. You can't just be like every little, every boy that comes around.

[Moses]

I'm talking about specifically, you know, it's a work environment. It said actors are exposed to a whole different world. They're some of the It's a whole different world, especially, I don't know, you see it with celebrities. You see with celebrities. So many young kids of celebrities date older people, and there's a lot going on because they are exposed to it in a whole different way.

[Trish]

If they're like both the same age, like Frankie and Hilary, Daphne, I just feel like I don't know that that is their high school. Like, they. I don't know if they want a parent to be like, can you just. Can you let me have like one conversation without you sitting right next to me? Like, I know you'll be the parent that is sitting right next to them, but I'm like, maybe don't be.

[Moses]

Yeah, I mean, maybe over time, if trust is built and I think you.

[Trish]

Have to, like, let it. I don't know. I. I like, disagree. I feel like at 14, of course I'm gonna be in the same room. I'm not gonna, like, I'm not that parent that's like, be in your room, close the door. It's gonna be like, okay, they can come over, but we're all gonna be in the same room together. We're all gonna be. There's no bedroom privilege, you know, but it'd be interesting when we're parents of teenagers.

[Moses]

No. But hopefully we'll give them the tools that they want.

[Trish]

I'm gonna be the. I'm gonna be the more relaxed parent.

[Moses]

I have a feeling you can't tell. It's hard to know how you're gonna feel about things until they're in front of you. Like, because what if she brings over the one guy that gives you a flashback of a boy you dated in high school. That was awful.

[Trish]

A 45 year old teacher.

[Moses]

Exactly. So I'm saying, like, if something you know will trigger your. You'll be like, I'm calling the cops. I've been down this path before. I'm like, this guy's not good for you. Like, how can you prevent. How can you. Like, they need to learn their life lessons, but at the same time, you know, you can't just tell them. They have to learn it on their own.

[Trish]

That part.

[Moses]

There's a balance that's hard to cross. That's why it's better to be kind of like, aware of what's happening. So you see them learn. But like, I'll see them go towards the fire, but I won't let them burn. Like, I, you know, they'll be like, oh, it's hot, let me not touch it kind of thing. But I'm gonna let them get scars. If it makes sense. It's a hot topic.

[Trish]

It would be interesting to see if, like. Yeah, it will be an interesting, like, case study to see, like, daughters that grew up with, like, a good father figure in their life if they're like, not attracted to 50 year olds when they're 18.

[Moses]

They say that. I mean, they say that, you know.

[Trish]

No, like, they say.

[Moses]

They said that they date later on and they do. Like, they say that everything happens a bit later on because I think they're not trying to fill in the father figure.

[Trish]

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Well, Millie Bobby Brown, I like you. I like her.

[Moses]

Congratulations. Having a baby, it's amazing. Yeah.

[Trish]

Oh, she looks like supermom doing it. Like, I hate to be the, like, sexist reverse being. Like, why is the woman carrying everything? And like, maybe she wants to.

[Moses]

Because it is possible that she's like, I got it. Not letting him do anything. I had a friend that when she had a baby, the husband was shut down and away.

[Trish]

Oh, interesting.

[Moses]

Like, stay away. Don't touch it. Don't do it. Don't. Like, it was just her and the baby. So it's possible. Possible that she's like, hunker down. It's her and the baby.

[Trish]

Yeah, like, whatever. Yeah. Maybe they. Maybe he hurt his back or something. But I guess if there was like, paparazzi pictures of us on a normal day, which there could very well could be like, yeah, Moses is like, he will be having all the strollers and folding them down in the. In the car seats and buckling like, you know, like. Yeah, that's just what it is. But I don't know. That's our relationship and that's what it is and how we've established it. I love it.

[Moses]

Me too.

[Trish]

I do a car seat. I like to. I can buckle in a car seat, but it is nice. I always see those tiktoks, like, nothing sexier than a dad who buckles in the car seat. And it's true. It's like when you like. Because it's so much. It's not so much work, but, like, it is so much extra. You can't just like, hop in a car anymore. It's like, okay.

[Moses]

I mean, I have so many friends that like, through their back or had injuries while doing those things. And in my mind I'm like, okay, you have 24 shows. You have to be at the best shape. You can't get injured, you can't get sick. You have to get your sleep at night. Like, everything has to be perfect. So you do those 24 shows perfectly. So, like, that's how I see it, you know?

[Trish]

Well, and I appreciate that. I know. Because early on, we were trying to figure out the sleeping situation, and I was like, I had to literally buy one of those, like, ice milk sticks for my eyes. I was like, I'm gonna have bags under my eyes. Because it's just like, you are very wonderful. Thank you for that. Especially because I was doing. I was supposed to be doing a TV show while I was here, and, like, I was like, oh, my gosh. It's like, my biggest moment yet. I'm like, I can't have bags anymore. So luckily, I got pushed where I can, like, sleep. But you'll always be wonderful like that. Even at home, even before the podcast even existed. I remember I do, like, ASMR videos, and I'm like, I want you to feel awake and energized. And I'm like, thanks. Very nice of you. So there's also Shay Mitchell. You know her? Shay, Shay Mitchell. I think she does base luggage. I think she's the face of that. I think she's in you. I think that's the Shay Mitchell she was in the first season. She was like the Heiress.

[Moses]

Okay.

[Trish]

I think. I think y' all toddler skincare line coming out. And there was, Oof, the reactions right off the bat.

[Moses]

Wait, is it makeup or is it skin care?

[Trish]

Skincare. So, like, jelly masks, like, hydrating masks for toddlers. She showed the first image was of a toddler in, like, a pink jelly mask. And people were like, no, absolutely not. This is dystopian. What are you doing?

[Moses]

It's funny because on one hand, you know, you always say whenever you, like, touch Malibu's face, you're like, your skin is so soft and perfect. And so I'm like, okay. They haven't had damage yet to their skin to even try to, you know, fix it or replenish anything. And then on the other hand, Malibu loves, like, the routines. Like, she love. If you tell her, like, oh, we haven't had spa. We were just eating breakfast, having cucumbers. She's, like, taking the cucumbers, like, I should lay down, put them on my eyes. Like, she loves those things. So if it's something that's more like the playful makeup that Malibu gets, I can see that. Like, that's fun. But if it's like, putting a message of, like, you need to fix your skin at 3, 4 year olds.

[Trish]

But it wasn't even that message at all. Yeah. I guess because we are toddler parents, specifically to girls. Like, I do feel like you have to be a toddler parent to understand it, because it's like, yeah, like, I would probably look at that and be like, this is weird if you, like, weren't a parent. But it's like they do watch these, like, cartoons, like, really innocent ones, like Baby Finn or something like that, where they're doing, like, a Mommy Daughter Day and like, mommy, you're my best friend and I love you. So, like, the really sweet songs and. And it's like, show me how to do it, Mommy. Show me how to. I love this one because Malcolm sings this to me and it's like, mom, you're my best friend. So cute. Anyways, in that one, they're putting on. Yeah, they do the cucumbers. They put on the masks. Remember we did that one time? Melbourne started eating the cucumbers. She, like, did it on her face, and then she's like, yeah. I was like, period. Actually, speaking of bags and the eyes, my makeup artist here in New York was saying, like, cucumbers actually work really, really well. They work the best. They're like, if you want to de puff your eyes, get like, actual cucumbers, period. But, yeah, they see it on show. So Malibu loves the whole, like, nails everything. Like, I had no intention of, because I don't do skin care. Oh, my God. You like a bar of soap. Like, I don't. But I was on the lookout on Amazon for masks to put on their face because they just. They just love it. Even like Elvis, like, loves the feeling of just like. It's just. It's just fun. It's just, like, silly. Just something for them to, like, do. And it's sensory almost. So, yeah, I think it's like. I don't think it's like saying, like, anti aging or anything for them, but I think, like, I think it's something. I think something. Okay, when AJ from the Backstreet Boys on our podcast, he was talking about, like, my makeup line for toddlers or young girls. And I thought that was, like, so interesting because, like, we go to the. We went to the FAO Schwartz, and they have a whole makeover section of, like, fake makeup and beauty and real makeup, too. Same thing with Bippity Boppity Boutique. You know, like, there's this whole, like, market for young girls. And I think people really get upset because they don't want it to be like, oh, you need this to feel pretty. But I don't think that's, like, the angle. Something at the angle our kids think or get the message of. I never once. I'm like, even. Even then, I do have to stop myself, because sometimes I'm like, you look so pretty. Like, just, like, in general. And I have to, like, stop myself because it's like, yeah, your worth shouldn't be based on, like, you look so pretty now that you have this. So I. I know there's alternatives out there. Like, you're like, you look fancy, or do you want to get fancy today? Or something. Like. Or have fun on your face. Like something. There's. There's, like, an alternative way to say it. But for Malibu, it's never like, I want to look pretty. Like, her lipstick, she'll put, like, all over her face. You know, it's just, like. It's a sensory thing. It's something to do game for her.

[Moses]

It's a game. It's a playful thing, because we always. We laugh about it because she'll. She'll put the lipstick around her lips, and I'm always like, it's lipstick. Like.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

And then we joke about it, and she'd be like, okay, go tell mommy. I just put a tiny bit, and she's, like, covered the whole.

[Trish]

I just put a little bit of lipstick, and I do it as a. Yeah.

[Moses]

Because it's a game. But I think, to me, it comes down to chemicals. Like, is it safe? Is it healthy? What they're doing? And price point. You know, like, those two things. Because anything that toddlers like, it's under skin, it actually gets absorbed. They put in their mouth, they eat things. So it needs to be super safe.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

And. And at a price that, you know, makes sense, because for some reason, anything for kids is more expensive when it's actually less amount and less everything.

[Trish]

Well, I think that's the whole point of the skincare line. It is for kids. Like, it's like all that stuff that you just mentioned. It's like. Because, yeah, you don't want to put even my makeup wipes. Like, I've used them, like, once on Malibu and, like, made her skin red. Like, so it is, like, meant for, like, toddler skin. Just, like, dental stuff in it, which I think is, like, brilliant, because when we were doing those face masks, I was trying to find something green to put on. And I think at the time I got that wicked. Like, I forgot what. It was some collaboration I did. And there was, like, wicked, like, green hand cream, and I was, like, putting it on our faces. It's like, it's probably not like, the best thing, but I was trying to, like, imitate the video, so I'm all for it. I was getting, like, face masks for kids, like these glitter unicorn ones off like, Amazon, and those weren't great either. So as a parent, I would personally love a face mask for a kid that's, like, not harmful, at least to their skin. I don't know if it needs to enhance their skin. Their skin is perfect, but.

[Moses]

Or do what we do. Just actual cucumbers and avocado.

[Trish]

Yeah, yeah, that I know. That really is. And everyone has told me the. That it actually works. Oh, Wicked is coming up. Actually, by the time you guys have seen this, we will have seen Wicked for good. We're going to. To the premiere.

[Moses]

My God, these are flying by.

[Trish]

Flying by. The chances of the premiere being in New York when we're in New York. Oh, my God. On the day off, which I think they probably planned because us Broadway performers, we get Monday off and Monday off only. So I was super excited that it was a Monday. I was super excited. Lincoln Center. I was supposed to originally go back to film this TV show in la and I got postponed. So it all worked out that I could do everything because I was like, oh, man, I can't go to Wickham. And I, as far as I know now of filming this, which is like a day prior to the Wicked premiere, I think I'm hosting on the red carpet for an outlet. So we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. I'll be. If that happens, you know, I'll be so excited if it doesn't, that's totally fine. I just would love to see the movie too. We have really amazing outfits being made. We had the outfits being made like, like a month in advance. Then I was like, oh, actually, you can't go because you're going to do this TV show. So then we paused these outfits and they're like, you can expensive. They're the people who made my dress last year shout out Garo Sparrow. And they're doing this crazy original design this year that I'm like, obsessed with. It's incorporates Glinda's for Good dress. Like, I'm so excited. And then I paused it because it was, like, so expensive. I'm like, how far have you gone? Can I just. Can you just keep the deposit? Like, and then I had to, like, restart it up again. And I'm so excited. So that's happening and we're going to Wicked and we're super excited.

[Moses]

But hopefully the Cast?

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

It's a question of who's going to actually be there. Because it's going from going to see the premiere to actually. You might interview the. The cast.

[Trish]

Yeah. I don't know how that works at all. Like, I've never done this. But you. When I tell you, like, okay, everyone's like, you have so many dreams. I know, but, like, this was a dream. Like, I always. When I would watch the Oscars and stuff like that, I always want to be the people on, like, the red carpet, like, interviewing. It just seems so fun.

[Moses]

And I specifically these people. I mean, it could be Jonathan Bailey.

[Trish]

Could be Ariana Grande, Cynthia Riva. Like, John M. Chu. Ethan's like, there's just like, the cast is so stacked.

[Moses]

Oh, what's his name again? Boneyang Boy Yang. No, but Jeff Goldblum. He's always funny in interviews.

[Trish]

I'll be so excited. Anyone I can interview, I'll be so excited. And I am really excited about that. But there better be no shenanigans because the Wicked premieres took place in Singapore last week. And maybe seen the clip go viral on X and TikTok. Is Ariana being, I guess, attacked is the only word I could use. Attacked by a fan who apparently has been doing this before. This is his thing.

[Moses]

He did it to the Weeknd. Katy Perry. And one more person. You remember the last time that Katy Perry, like, somebody was just like, holding her and like jumping. He did it the same way. He's kind of like. And if you look at the video closely, he's like jumping at her and people are pushing him. But he's grabbing onto Ariana's neck here, grabbing onto it as they pull him away.

[Trish]

Oh, my God.

[Moses]

And then you can see her reaction because there's so much happening, so you don't really see how much. And she's, you know, the dress is open. She's like skin to skin on her neck, pulling her. And that's. That is an attack. You know, that's very serious.

[Trish]

She's like a very petite girl. This is like a man doing this. Like, I'm.

[Moses]

And she's got the threats recently. She's been through situations where there were attacks. So she definitely has, you know, both PTSD and anxiety about things happening.

[Trish]

It's. Yeah, she looked. She looked scared. Cynthia Rivo jumping in to, like.

[Moses]

That's the real superhero.

[Trish]

That was amazing because, like, in those moments it had, they all happen so quick. Right. So, like, instinct is like. So you don't know. What is it? Fight flight.

[Moses]

Yeah. Some people freeze, freeze. Most people would, like, scream and run away. You know, they don't want to be caught in the situation. She went straight in.

[Trish]

Oh, she's like, no, absolutely not. Like, that's amazing because there was security around you and she was quicker than security. She was like, absolutely not. Maybe. But.

[Moses]

No, but the thing is, so when you do security, what you're doing is you scan the audience. That's all you do. You're not looking at the person in front of you, which you guarded like. Like Billie Eilish, when, you know somebody grabbed her. So you need to be there physically to quickly react to that. So here the guy was pretty far away and he jumped the barricade at that moment already, everyone behind her should have jumped in front of her. He jumped. He's with a white shirt, he's jumping like you see him. Jumped the barricade, ran to them, still not stopped, Managed to grab her. Like, that's a failure in every level because just like when in the TwitchCon or the minute they're physically touching the person, that means anything could have happened. They could have been a weapon in their hand. It could have been a substance in their head. Like the. It's. It's a big failure. Like, the person could have got hurt, seriously. And that's really bad.

[Trish]

Yeah. I was really surprised and such a big premiere. Like, I was really. I was just surprised. How is he not in jail? I feel like Singapore doesn't, like, mess around. Like, everyone always says, Singapore is like the. The cleanest. If you, like, spit gum out, like, you get arrested. Like, my dad's been there multiple times. Like, everyone's like, it's the cleanest, safest place because they don't.

[Moses]

They just don't take any on purpose. We're not mentioning his name or showing the image or anything like that. He has, like, Instagram and he's proud of what he's doing and he's. He's bragging about not getting punished. I think he got some fines in the past, but, you know, he hasn't been to jail or prosecuted. This situation maybe, hopefully something more serious might happen. But in that moment, they just, you know, escorted him out and that was the end of it. Which is not. That should not be the end of it. Police should be immediately called in and involved. So it's a. It's a tough one, but I think with his history, people should just not support him in any way by either viewing his social media or. But like, I guess, or giving him the attention that is Doing it.

[Trish]

I know, but how do you not When Ariana Grande is attacked at Wicked premiere, you know what I mean? Like, that's like big news. Like what?

[Moses]

Right? But then to blacklist him, like, his face should be plastered in every event, everywhere. They should know never to let him anywhere near a venue or celebrities.

[Trish]

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Yeah, yeah. Now, that situation was tough for them too, because. And she kept coming back. She's like a known stalker for him. She called herself his divine wife. So something you're like, okay, this is more than like, this guy is doing it for attention. This person is doing it because they believe something.

[Trish]

I've been loving the looks. I've been loving, like, Wicked's supposed to be fun, light hearted. Like, it's just like. But. But she was. Ariana got hate too, for Brazil. She couldn't make her flight because she had just finished the Focker movie Falker in Law and she make her fighting. People were mad about that. It's like, h. Like, I honestly, I don't think I, like, could ever handle being like a list. Like, I always, like, think I'd want to, but, like, I don't think I could. Like to just feel so, like, like letting people down and people just like attacking you for like every little thing. Especially Ariana Grande. I feel like. I don't know. God, she just goes through it. I feel like she tries to stay relatively quiet about her personal life, yet gets attacked. Like, they were just like, genuinely so mad that she didn't come to the Brazil premiere. I wanted to be there. Like, why would I not want to be there?

[Moses]

Yeah, but I mean, at least, you know, if people are mad because they want to see you and they didn't get to see you, they need some form of, like, strange love, you know, it's like. But when somebody is physically attacking you, that's. That just creates a whole new. They ruined the experience for everyone that was there. You know, she was about to walk and talk and like, at that moment, everything.

[Trish]

I think you really love someone. It's like you. If they don't make it, they don't make it, regardless of the reason why. There was a really sweet girl. Oh, my God. Like, literally we were walking outside waiting for our car and, like, really sweet girl from London. And she was just like, you know, kind of a picture. She goes, you can. You absolutely can say no if you want to. It was like, so sweet. And I was like, I don't know. To me, that makes me want to take a picture more with someone like that when they're like, you know, when they understand why you wouldn't want to. Because, like, whatever. If you're, like, with kids or whatever. I wasn't with my kids at the time, but, like, it was. It was really nice. I was like, I don't know. Because you don't want to let people down. But then when you're on that big of a scale of Ariana Grande, like, inevitably you will let fans down because, like you said, I know what you mean. Like, everybody does love you and wants to see you, so then they're pissed that they can't. But things.

[Moses]

Well, the bigger of a star you become, the more distance is created between you and the fans. And that's kind of like where. That's why influencers and social media people are so different in what they deal as far as parasocial relationships, because there is no gap in distance.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Opposite. It's like the more you share, the more they're closer to you and which.

[Trish]

Is like, it is nice. Like, I do like it.

[Moses]

And when we talk about Colleen, we actually. That's kind of like the other spectrum of where the. The celebrity is actually crossing the line in the wrong way with. That's why it just. It's a strange. It's a strange dynamic to have because you have power and you. And a fan is immediately, like, in the disadvantage and vulnerable.

[Trish]

Yes.

[Moses]

Towards the celebrity. But then you have the opposite of the people that cross the other side. Like this guy that attacked Ariana. So it's like. So it's very. That line. Whenever somebody crosses it, it's volatile.

[Trish]

Toe that line. Happy news. Catherine Piaz is pregnant. Ice family. Austin McBroom's nice.

[Moses]

Oh, wow.

[Trish]

She is pregnant exactly one month after her wedding. She has stated to the day. Sounds like us.

[Moses]

I think we were the day.

[Trish]

Well, but we found out we were pregnant one month after.

[Moses]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Trish]

That's what she was, like, implying is like, the day of the wedding was the day she got pregnant.

[Moses]

Yeah, that was us. Yeah.

[Trish]

So I know it does sound like. I think some people are like, that's us. Like, what do you mean? You. You're just like.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trish]

No.

[Moses]

Unless. Unless the baby's born, like, you know, five, six months after the wedding.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trish]

But I think ours was not to say we were those people that were like, we're waiting till, man. Like, it didn't matter. We were trying to get pregnant before, but it just so happened to be. Yeah. On our wedding. So I think if it didn't happen to us, maybe I would have been the same way. I'm like, sure, sure, it was the day of your wedding.

[Moses]

But does she have two or three kids?

[Trish]

Just three. She's three with Austin McBroom.

[Moses]

And their ages?

[Trish]

I guess they're older. They're like, maybe. I would guess 10, 8, 5, 10, 8, 6, something like that.

[Moses]

Anyway, that's. I mean, I'm kind of. I'm shocked of how fast everything. I was so excited, but it's always fat. It looks fast to us.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

I'm sure it's not fast at all on the other side. Yeah.

[Trish]

I think they've been together a couple years, and, like, you know, maybe they were like, okay, we'll try once we get married, or something like that, like. Or, like, you know, actually start trying. I don't know. But I was so happy because I thought her wedding. It's so funny. They show, like, the difference in, like, wedding pictures and, like, it's, like, annoying to compare, like, you know, her wedding to him versus the wedding to Austin. But she did just look so ethereal and, like, beautiful and, like, gosh, you know, I think Julia Fox said this to me when I was on her podcast, like, a couple years ago. She had said something like, you glow differently when you're, like, loved. Right. And I thought that was, like, so true, because when you see Catherine, like, it, she's always pretty, but she is just like, she's so beautiful now. She, like, literally ethereal. Like, her wedding, she had this, like, lace veil. She looked like Mother Mary. Like, she was, like, literally glowing. And it's. It was. It's so beautiful. But of course. And Igor, who was her husband, he was like, can't wait to be a dad. Like, he was, like, so excited. Austin McBroom had a chime in. He had to give his.

[Moses]

I know this is one thing he had nothing to do with.

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I don't know.

[Trish]

But I hope all of them are getting paid heavily and well by Snapchat, because Catherine is announcing all this on Snapchat. So I'm like, I think they must be paying a bag, which I hope so. Because she's also Snapchat, She's Snapchatting all this, like, the pregnancy things, everything. And I guess Austin was, like, live. I don't know if he's a Twitter. I don't know if he's a streamer. I don't know what he's doing, but he was live. And he was like, very much. Like, the most annoying thing is, like, guys, I already knew. Like, I'm like, finally, finally. It's not like he's very that. Which, like, of course you already know. Like, you're, like, the father of her children. He's like, my children called me. I. But, like, and then he says at the end, like, he's like, he's. Can you guys all just, like, let us live our separate lives? Like, of course I'm happy for them. I'm acknowledging this for you guys. But, like, let us live. And he said he does a little Freudian slip where he's just like, let her live her life and let me live her life separately. Like, that's what he said. And it was, like, so funny because it's like, I don't know, like, just always, always inserting himself.

[Moses]

It's like, think about when they were together, because you talk about that glow. He was sucking the energy of the relationship because it was always him in the center about him. He was upset if things were not going the way he wanted them to go. So. And now she's the star, and he's still trying to feed off of her now. And it's. It's like. Which is weird. Like, you would think you're such a narcissist. Go live your life. Like, go create a whole new universe for yourself.

[Trish]

No. Yeah, he.

[Moses]

But he's still trying to sacrifice energy from everyone else around.

[Trish]

She's not letting it. She has that divine protection around her. And I love, love to see. I would love to talk to Catherine. I, like. I would love to talk to her, like, on a podcast, because I just think she's so, like, I love a spiritual journey. You weren't here for when Jeff was here. He's coming up this week. But, like, he talked about, like, his spiritual awakening, and it was so, like, amazing. Because he's like, I don't want to get too into it. I'm like, no, I want to get into it. Like, I want to know what that's like, because it looks so different. I even shared a little bit more about my spiritual awakening with him. Like, I. And to everyone, I haven't really shared a lot of It. Because it's so different for everybody. And it's like, weirdly, they have kind of the same stories. Because I think Catherine did ayahuasca, I think is what she had said. I think that's how she met Igor.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trish]

And then Jeff also did an ayahuasca experience where she's talking about this week on the podcast, which was so interesting. Very different than Catherine's. It was very different. But there is something to it. I mean, look, I'm not doing. I'm not gonna do ayahuasca. I mean, but I respect people who, like, they really do seem transformed. And I feel like I got transformed in a different way. I'd share what that was, but.

[Moses]

Yeah, it's important. It's important also to acknowledge the. The. The plus and the like. There is a danger. Like, I know people that, like myself, did it once. It was transformative, it was great. And that was it. It was the end of it. And I know people that. They kind of joined the ayahuasca church and they do it frequently and they kind of lose touch with reality a little bit. So, you know, it's just important to know that that exists too.

[Trish]

Like, yeah, but people lose with reality no matter what they're doing.

[Moses]

But people that do it once or twice, the transformation is pretty big because there's so many ways through meditation, other substances. There's so many ways to go through that kind of like, basically an ego death, you know, where you break that barrier between you and the world. Because until that moment, you only see yourself and people around you are kind of like computer game people. Like, they're not real. They don't have feelings, they don't have thoughts. They don't have. Like, you don't have an effect on them. So people like that go around and hurt people and do things, and they don't understand how they affect other people. And that other people are just another version of you with the same depth and the same everything. But when you do those experiences, that veil drops and suddenly you become one with everyone and you see that. So it, you know, like, so you can see, like, the Austin MC Room. It's all ego and somebody like Jeff shedding that. Suddenly, I. I haven't seen it yet. I can't wait to see what he said about it. But, yeah, it's eye opening and completely.

[Trish]

I was like. So there was no defensiveness for me. I was not on. Like, I was not doing any jokes or jabs that I'm like. I was so, like, impressed by. By his Just like being like, truly, truly, truly.

[Moses]

I was like, we must have had. He must have had a completely different energy, completely coming off of that.

[Trish]

Sunglasses off, hat off. Like him. Like it was, it was crazy. But I do love seeing Catherine and like, I do. I. I love that. I love having a baby. I feel like she's a good mom. Like, she seems like she's just like really involved in her kids life. I feel like she stayed for as long as she did for like the kids and like trying to be, you know, peaceful. So I can't wait to see like her birth and her happiness and like just getting to be with the guy who like is just present. And I wish Austin the best deal. Like it kind of makes me sad and not in like a patronizing way, but it kind of like no one wants to see that ex that just can't let go, that can't move on. Like, I mean, just constantly talking about your ex even he's like, I'm happy. I like, I'm happy for her. This is great news. Like, just let them have their moment. You don't need to insert yourself. You don't need to comment on every single thing that happens from here on out with her.

[Moses]

Like, no, because it doesn't matter what he says. The fact that he says something, even he thinks if I say I'm happy for her, then it's great. I'm like, no, if you say nothing, it's great.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Like just let you thinking that you saying you're happy for her is the right thing to do.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Is wrong here.

[Trish]

I'm just, I don't know.

[Moses]

And it, it shows you, it shows volumes of how she, like, what have they done since the breakup? She found somebody she loves. She was raising a family. He seems to be a good father to the kids she has and hopefully, you know, the new baby. So like, she's building a family, she's building a future. What is Austin doing?

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Where like that's what I'm saying.

[Trish]

Kind of feels sad because it's like, it's one thing if you're like traumatized by someone, right? We've seen people go through traumas from people, whether it's Jeff with David or Adam with Colleen. Like, and I feel like then it's like hard to not talk about it because you, you see someone's face, it's like triggering. So but like Catherine did nothing to him and he like knows that and he, but he's like weirdly like, just keeps talking about her and it's like you're the one who messed up. It's like the net, Fulmer, right? It is the netflmar of it, where it's like, stop. Just stop talking. Just stop talking about it because you're triggering all of us. Like, just stop. Like, they did nothing to you. You're doing everything to them, and you won't stop doing it to them. And I think that's what's, like, so frustrating with him. And, like, I think he still has fans. Like, I mean, I think there's people who probably still like him. So I don't know. Just. He was. He did a tick tock with Shoddy Bay the other day. That one that's like. And they ain't saying, like, he did that. It's like, I like that duo. I was like, why don't you go do that? Because, like, I like Shoddy Bay. I like him. It's kind of funny and, like, random and, like, unexpected. And I think keep doing those kind of collabs and stuff like that. Like, that's, you know, like, I'm so. Am I positive, like, people can change. And I really want that. For Austin and also for Catherine, it's giving Julia Fox saying she dated Kanye to, like, give the Kardashians a break till she. She said she dated Connie. Did you hear that? She said she dated Kanye to, like, get him off of the Kardashian. Like, you know, but that's what she, like, said. I believe her. I love Julia Fox. We hit up Julia Fox was yours. I don't, like, I think we hit up our people. I have people that have people now. I have, like, a booker that helps me and we, like, reach out. I don't know if she, like, just wasn't available. Whatever. We love Julie Fox. And I remember she said that. I was like, yeah, like, period. Yes, you should. So, like, for Catherine's sake, Austin, I'm not saying you need to date someone. In fact, I don't think you should be dating somebody right now. But do those collabs be a clown if you want, like, you know what I mean? I think there is, like, something, like, entertaining about clowns. You know what I mean? I think, like, be a clown, but just, you know, like a kids party clown. Not like a. Like a clown clown in your wife's business, you know, ex wife's business. I don't know. There's just something sad about it and like. And it's okay. It is okay if he's, like, still like, kind of obsessed because, like, rightfully so. He probably is just like. I don't know. It's just weird, though, because he, like, cheated. I don't know. He does seem, like, obsessed and, like, it's okay. It's kind of okay to be like that. But not online. Not when you have kids. You think it just looks a little.

[Moses]

Thing is, there are kids involved, and they see all of this, and I would, just for their sake and my relationship, like, sake of my relationship with them. But he doesn't think about that. Yeah, I guess. I know. I think that's why it's good that somebody like Jeff, for example, does something that's more spiritual. Spiritual and transformative, because it opens up the door to people that normally would not think about that. Because I'm like, you know, if Austin did something of that nature, it would be very transformative. But I don't know. You know, you can't. You can't afford somebody, no change, and you can't, like, they want. Unless it's coming from, you know, from their own.

[Trish]

They see it, too.

[Moses]

Yeah. He should go on Ned's Rock Bottom podcast.

[Trish]

There's a lot of people who should be going on Ned Palmer's Rock Bottom podcast. Like, and, like, yeah, I just. I think that's, like, frustration when we're going over Hot Topics today is, like, when people just, like, can't see that. Like, they're in their own way. Me included. Okay. Like, I'm. I will always be the first to say that. Like, over the years, like, God, like, I really just, like, blocked so much of myself. People always ask me, now, you really are the queen of manifestations, and you got everything you want. And I was like, God, I just, like, could not get out of my own way. Like, I kept having to, like, just, like, ruin every little thing. If things are going right, it's like, sabotage. I couldn't. I couldn't be aware. I couldn't, like, look at myself. There was, like, literally, there was, like, all these mirrors in my house, but I could not, like, see the reflection. Like, it's. I don't know. I guess it's just, like, when you're online, you see yourself differently than how you really are. But what's great about online? And that's why I, like, love about. I will always love about social media. It is like holding a mirror to yourself. Because, like, if there's a majority coming for you, right? Like, the majority is usually not wrong. Like, if you're like, everybody is wrong except for me, which, again, was my mentality for a very long time. Like, everyone's crazy. That's not my heart. They don't know me. Like, until you can, like, really kind of grasp it and be like, maybe. Maybe I keep getting all these comments that what I'm doing is not good. Maybe I need to reevaluate why I'm like this. Also acknowledge, like, oh, maybe I am what people are saying and how do I fix this and how do I change this? But the Austin McBrooms, the Neds, the Colleen's, like, it's like, it is just like, excuse, deflection. Let me think of a different word to make it sound better. It's like, rather than just like, yeah, I'm sorry I fucked up. Like, you know, like, I don't know. I think some people are, like, allergic to the word I'm sorry and like apologies and like that. I think it's just like frustrating and it's. I think. I know it's frustrating to fans. I know it's rushing to people who are haters too, but also frustrating to, like, I don't know, just content creators too. It's just like, oh my God, let's not. I don't know.

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[Trish]

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[Moses]

But because I think people that are in nature like both judgmental and when you build your way up, you know, some people, it's kind of a house of cards. Like it's. You build it up and you create a certain reputation and certain idea of who you are to the fence in the world. But when that's not real and it breaks down, they don't want to give away the pedestal. They still stay on the pedestal that they were standing on. And there's no humility and there's no, you know, people need to be humble and be like, okay, you know, this is step down from the pedestal and if you want start building it up again on a better foundation and will be stable and will stay there. But they don't let go. They want to stay on that pedestal. Everybody's wrong and never did that and never meant that. Like, okay, so everybody like gotta be. Then you lose everybody.

[Trish]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean sometimes influencers. Yeah. Like, yeah, they don't, they don't fully grasp it. I've been knocked down a lot and like, like grateful now hindsight looking back, like grateful for all of it because it's just like, damn, I really had to self reflect even in instances like where maybe I wasn't like totally at fault or something like that. But like, you know, instances where there's like two to tango. But it's like, okay, but there's still something internal that's still something about me that's like causing all this. So it's like, yeah, you really have to like look at yourself and figure it out. And I say this all at place, like not judgment. I say this out of a place of like been there, been in the influencer space of being like everyone else is wrong but me. Not as extreme as some of these cases, but still been there. Sad news. Mr. Marbles. They are preparing for end of life for him. Julian, her husband now Julian Solomita Streamer held back tears by saying that he doesn't feel like being there on the stream there he's 17 years old. Mr. Marbles.

[Moses]

Wow.

[Trish]

And they're like, he's just. Yeah. And they, like, loved their dogs specifically. I know, Jen. I don't watch. I didn't watch a lot with Julian, but I know Jenna was like, obsessed. She had kermit and Mr. Marbles and like, as most people are obsessed with their dogs, like, I don't know, my sister will do without her dogs. Like, dogs are. Who's I talking about this with? I think I was talking about this with Tanner yesterday. Like, and it's like, I've never had dogs and I never got to like, be like a close bomb, but I see it and I understand it because, like, as I was telling, like, I think it's telling Tanner, maybe Jeff. Maybe Jeff because he has a dog. And I was just like, they are just there to love you. They are helpless. They just want to be loved and you just take care of them. And there's never even an age. It's not even. It's almost like deeper than kids. Because for some people, right? Because it's like they'll never get to the stage of like being 13 and being like, I hate you, mom. Or like, they go out and like live on their own forever. They are with you. They are by your side. They are loyal. Like, I, like, I'm getting it more as like an adult. I think I was always, like, scared of dogs. Like, I just was like, you know, I don't know. I think I had some like PTSD from an attack, but. But I get it. And it's like, man, when you lose that dog. And my sister's so close to her dogs, like, they are her kids. They are her kids.

[Moses]

They are like, yeah, usually they don't live that long. 17 years is a lot.

[Trish]

And then to just have to like, how old is she?

[Moses]

That's probably half of her life.

[Trish]

She's like my age, maybe a little older. Maybe like 38, 39. And it's just like, you know, she's. She's been off of YouTube, I assume retired. I don't know if she's like doing anything, but I assume she's retired. And like, well, that's their life.

[Moses]

Have a guardian angel soon.

[Trish]

Oh, my. No.

[Moses]

Because they stay. They stay around. They don't leave the.

[Trish]

The spirits of the dogs.

[Moses]

Yeah, she might see him and, oh, he'll be around.

[Trish]

So sad. Like, and I never really get teary eyed about stuff like this. But then I was watching some clips of Julian and I was just like, damn, like, him too. You could Just feel it. Like, he's just like. I don't. Like, he didn't. He couldn't, like, do the stream. He, like, didn't feel like talking about it. Like, he's just like, I'm just gonna, like, break down and cry. And it's just like. And I also feel, like, the added, like, level of, like, parasocial. Right. That people feel with Mr. Marbles. Like, people loved her dogs, too. And I feel like it's just like, a whole, like, Internet morning, right? We, like, lost Jenna in the sense of, like, she's not on YouTube anymore, but then it's like, now we're losing Mr. Marbles. Like, so sad, because I think you.

[Moses]

Mentioned something about when you were there.

[Trish]

Of a dog that was Kermit. Okay, Kermit. We can insert a picture of me and Kermit. First dog I ever loved. And I mean that so sincerely. Like, I had a real, like, fear of dogs that turned into, like. It made me, like, not like dogs, quote unquote. Like, I'd just be scared. I'd be like, can we put the dogs away? Like, I'm just, like. I was really, really scared. And Kermit was the first one that was, like, so sweet. There's, like, a picture of me cuddling with him, like, literally just, like, curled up in a blanket, like, holding him and, like, leaning on him because he was so cuddly. He was so cuddly and so sweet. I've never felt that connection with a dog. There was a dog that stayed with me in 2019, and I did talk to that dog. That dog is the dog that knew my passcode, which I still stand by to this day. And that's when I was like, dogs are smart. How did he. Because it's one thing to telepathically tell me my passcode. It's another thing to know my passcode. How did you know it? Do you know what I mean? Like, how did he.

[Moses]

Yeah, they know everything.

[Trish]

Yeah. Really interesting. But I am so. I'm so sad. I'm, like, really sad. And I. Look, I'm parasocial Jenna in the sense of, like, she was very. She was, like, probably the nicest person to me the one night we hung out. And it breaks my heart. I, like, want to reach out, but I, like, don't know her like that. So I don't think.

[Moses]

Yeah. Because what can you say?

[Trish]

Yeah, and. And I know. I know she's probably just, like, yeah, everyone's, like, sad for her, but, like, that's just a whole other Level of.

[Moses]

I do see all the time recently on Tick Tock, kind of like a dog psychic, animal psychic. They talk to the animals and stuff like that. And it's really interesting because the one. The first one that came up was her talking to, like, somebody's cat. Like, people will bring their pets if they have an issue, trying to figure out what's going on. So she was talking to this cat, but then they had more time, and the cat was just like, do you have any questions? So anyway, the cat was just telling her about the universe and life and everything.

[Trish]

Oh, Dre past.

[Moses]

No, no, he's. He's alive. She's. She's kind of like this person talks to animals. They're. They're alive. But.

[Trish]

But, you know, this person is somebody.

[Moses]

That come keep coming up on Tik Tok. So. And the last one that came up, she was just walking on the street, and she was like, telling somebody, like, by the way, your dog doesn't like what you're watching on tv, like, some, like, things like that.

[Trish]

She was like, hear their thoughts.

[Moses]

And she. Oh, they talked to her. She was like, oh, yeah, he always barks when I'm on the phone or on my phone or something like that. Anyway, okay, the point is, you know, maybe Jenna and Julian, they can, before he passes away, have somebody that can, you know, they can have a last.

[Trish]

Conversation with him or they do some mushrooms and then hear him talk. Never know. I really do.

[Moses]

You never know where that's gonna go.

[Trish]

I think the dimensions. The world.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trish]

You know, there's, like, layers, and I think there is another dimension where, like, animals are completely. Are talking completely.

[Moses]

Well, I think animals and plants are constantly in that space. We're the one that's excluded from that space toy.

[Trish]

Moses. I don't know if this might be a hot. This might be a hot topic or hot button issue. Moses stopped being vegan because he discovered plants were also conscious. So he's like, well, if we're eating plants, it's kind of equivalent to animals. And so it's like, well, yeah, some.

[Moses]

People would say, well, plants don't have nerve system and this and that. But, you know, some studies show that when you cut a piece of plant, if you plug in certain equipment, you almost, like, hear a little scream or there's a signal, there's a thing, but.

[Trish]

It cries a little bit.

[Moses]

Yeah. Or like, plants know when you come home, when you're away, things like that. But I think it's not. I think our mistake is separating between plants and animals. It's all about single cells. They're just in different structures. It's like different architecture. So, like, a plant is like a building and an animal that's moving around. It's more like, I don't know, we don't have something there. But let's say a cruise ship. It's in movement, but it's the same architect picture. You still have the same single cells that are conscious moving around. So it's. It's really all the same.

[Trish]

Are we the Maitlands.

[Moses]

2.0?

[Trish]

Every time I hear it in Beetlejuice, he is like, all right, guys, show's over. I know it says my name out in the marquee, but now you get the Maitlands. The most boring show ever. I was like, are we the Maitlands right now? Just talking about plants crying. I love it, by the way. But I just. I'm like, I'm so self conscious. I. I know the comments will be hopefully be nice, but they'll probably like, no, we. But, like, I get so self conscious about our. I don't like a couple videos like mukbangs, like, whatever. We are who we are. But it's so funny. Like podcasts. I'm like, the things we talk about, I do love them, but I'm like, oh, my God, are people people out there?

[Moses]

No, but people know we're away. So it's like there's so many things that are happening. The set is different. The thing is different. The, you know, Oscar is not here. We miss him. Everybody misses him. So it's like, yeah, everything is a bit different.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

And it's more a matter of like. Like I said, it's more about consistency and people that are used to, you know, they're on the way to work or they're doing something.

[Trish]

Yeah, no, no, I love it. I do love it.

[Moses]

And our audience is very wide. You know, like, there's some people that like spirituality conspiracy, but in reality, the podcast is about pop culture and Hot Topics.

[Trish]

No, I loved our Plant Diversion. No. And then yesterday I did, like, Jeff, and then I did Jeff fm, so he did Jester. So I just. And I had to do not Lovelines Main and Patreon. So, like, like, Tanner probably could have jumped on a gestures, but we had not Lovelines. He. Like, we're doing three podcasts a week. Three videos on Patreon, the week for each one, so. And eight shows a week on Broadway.

[Moses]

We're not taking a break, even though we're.

[Trish]

Yeah, this was our. This was our. And I. And I Do. I do love it. And I do love talking to you. I mean, it's like, it really is the easiest for me because maybe my demeanor is, like, different because I just feel like with Moses, I'm just so much more like.

[Moses]

This is the relaxed version of podcast.

[Trish]

Yeah. This is us at night.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trish]

Eating Domino's.

[Moses]

You did that one episode. Do you want to fall asleep, too? You go back to this.

[Trish]

Yeah, I love it. No, I'm like, I'm sleepy in a good way. Where I was just like. Even when we started, I was like, we got our teas, we got our coffees.

[Moses]

I didn't sleep at night. So it's.

[Trish]

Yeah, we're sleeping for a different reason, but we wish you well, Mr. Marbles. And, like, sending condolences to Jenna and Julian. All right, well, which one? I don't know. I guess take your. Take your pick. I guess Ned Fulmer. I mean, I don't think we would be talking about any of these people if they didn't keep talking. Do you know what I mean? Like, and it's so funny because, like, Ned's like, we're just. We did this to move on. So move on. Like, it's just so funny. Like, the. The explanations. The apology. The explanation. The apology to, like, this one. Like, like, what episode? But also, like, you're cheating. Like, it just continues. It just keeps going. The apology for cheating just keeps evolving. And it's just, like, so wild. And he always pops up on my tick tock FYP always. Like, I always see this. That face is a crazy face. And I'm in my PC. I am having so much fun. I just want to be an actress forever. Like, I'm an actress. Error. For real. We did a self tape today, which I love doing a self tape. I love a self tape. Every time they're like, this is a self tape for a pilot series regular. I was like, I really did pretty good on that, though. I feel like that could be my character.

[Moses]

It was a role that it's like, comedic. Fast speaking.

[Trish]

I was giving sitcom and I think it's a second. I think, hope it's a sitcom.

[Moses]

That'd be crazy because you're like, if we did comedic.

[Trish]

And because I was like, you have any notes? And you're like, well, I think it's supposed to be like, over the top sitcom. Is that what I was doing? Which I think I was doing. But that'd be crazy if it was like a white lotus, like, feel.

[Moses]

You can tell from the script because it was like, so Many words and so many. Like, I could. You could tell the character.

[Trish]

I nailed it, though, at the end. But anyways, I am an actress era, so, like, really, I don't. I don't want to be talking about Ned Fulmer, but damn, like, you keep popping on my page, and that face. That face is crazy. That face is like. I don't know. That face is crazy. And I'm not talking ugly. I'm just talking about, like, it just looks like. Like someone's just trying to weasel his way out of everything, and it's just, like, so absolutely wild. So he talked about episode one of his Rock Bottom podcast, which he's done so many episodes since. I'm not sure why he's still talking about this revealing slash, throwing under the bus that. His wife. It was his wife Ariel's idea. It's just, like, a weird thing again. Once again, like, putting blame. Like, his. His thing was. It was Ariel's idea to do the podcast. That's how they had to move forward. And it was also her idea because she has stake in the channel. She's like, a shareholder in the. In the Rock Bottom podcast, which I'm like, okay, well, you just started, but okay. Weird on a lot of levels that he revealed that one is like, doesn't make her look good. Like, girl, what are you doing? Why. Why are you supporting this? Two kind of throwing her under the bus. Like, it did not go over well. So he's like, well, it's actually Ariel's idea, and she's a stakeholder, so she's, like, getting money off of this. So that's why she wanted to do it. Like, so, like, kind of cheapening the reason why she did it, the whole thing.

[Moses]

Well, I think he was trying to also kind of, like, protect himself from that attack. He's like, no, if you're attacking me, you're also attacking her.

[Trish]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Moses]

So I think he's trying to shield himself.

[Trish]

Yes.

[Moses]

Her. She's like a human shield now.

[Trish]

Stop. And that's another one. Just like, stop. Stop using your wife. Like, stop talking like, oh, my ex wife, ex wife to both of them. Both Austin. And, like, it's so. And she's like, not there. And it's just like, I don't care if you talk about it behind the scenes, whatever. It just does not make you look good. And I hate to be like, the man, whatever. But, like, as the man, like, why are you throwing her under the bus? Why are you saying this all like, just. Just keep moving on. Like, you Said. And then he tried to. Like, he's like, you know, that was Ariel's story. So that's why I kept quiet. He's like, don't judge me on the 15 seconds you saw. Oh, no, Ned, I actually was seated for all hour of that because I didn't want to judge you on the 15 seconds. And it was worse. It was worse than the 15 seconds because you constantly were just like, yeah, the dream was ruined for me too. You ruined it. Like, I watch. I can quote it. I can quote it. I watched all of it. Like, so I was just like, I feel gaslit. And I do not like to feel that. And I never feel gaslit by very many people. But, like, I was feeling gas. I was like, what? Okay, so then he's like, this is my story. We don't want to know your story. We do not want to. We know your story. We know your story. And it's. It's awful. It's awful, and there's nothing you can do about it. Yes, it's in the past. Asked. Yes, you have to move on. But, like, that includes moving on. Like, he talks about how. Yeah, he, like, brings up again, yes, I had an affair with one of my employee, like, just so many levels of awful.

[Moses]

But his. His attempt was to. It was like a 10 minute Tik Tok.

[Trish]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Moses]

And his whole thing was basically telling us how it took him three years to understand how much of a. All it was. Basically, I'm like, yeah, to learn how to be a normal, decent human being, just to be able to listen. And.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Like, the simple stuff. And I was like, okay, you really, you know, you meet sometimes celebrities that are awful, and you realize, okay, you were that awful person. And now you're slowly trying to understand how do I talk to people. Like, people are equal, people are the same, or I should be nice to be. I should listen to people. I should understand what they're saying.

[Trish]

He's like, I had to go to therapy to find out why I was, like, cheating. Like, what do you. What do you mean? Like what? Like, that's is.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trish]

So wild.

[Moses]

It's more like I had to go to therapy to find an excuse to tell people why I cheated.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Instead of, like, being like, okay, this is. I just kind of could not control myself, and I had nobody else in mind besides myself. And. Yeah.

[Trish]

Like, all those period things, like, you cheated. Done. Okay. You had your wife on. You don't have to be like, she's making money off this too. And if you hate me you hate her. It's like, no, we just hate you. Like, I hope she makes. I hope she makes a million dollars off. I wish she would off that podcast, which I'm sure she isn't. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's not about her. This is about you. And just, like, lack of accountability over and over and over again.

[Moses]

And then it keeps going back to the podcast being like, oh, I just want to make this podcast to help people and talk about, like, yeah, like, this is not the position you're in.

[Trish]

I don't think you're in the position to help anyone. I think maybe if you're, like, doing some work. No, I don't think so. I really don't think you're in the position to help anyone on this. Because. Because, like, I like the idea of a rock bottom podcast if it's like, Robert Downey Jr. Hosting it, right? Like, I mean, he. He had some rock bottoms and it's like, okay, yeah, he was able to, like, have some success after it. I like the idea of a rock bottom podcast if it's like, yeah, someone who, like, really did this, like, transformation, you know, and, like, really changed themselves. Like, very few people could do a rock bottom podcast and actually help people. I. Very few.

[Moses]

Right. I think for Ned, if he, like, you know, go to, like, Habitat for Humanity, go build houses for people in areas that need, dig some wells, help people get water, like, the basics, like, starts from the basics of, like, just.

[Trish]

Helping people and for his podcast or just for himself to be a better human.

[Moses]

For if you want to communicate something to the world, that's what, like, the action and the things. It just. Too many words to describe how he was awful and he was trying just to become a decent human being. And like, even in that, you're not doing a good job. So you're not there. Yeah, you're not a decent human being yet.

[Trish]

You know, it's like you're still, like, not at all. And it's just like, I just. I mean, like I said, I'm kind of just exhausted talking about him, but, like, you're infuriating to someone who's at peace. I feel like I am one with my Zen self these days. And it's like, I don't know why. It's like, it enrages me just. Just. Just enough to be like, okay, guys, we'll talk about this. Takes all my might not to tick tock about it because I see it on TikTok. I'm just like, we don't want this. We don't want the Rock Bottom podcast again, putting on, like, my positivity spin for us. McBroom, like, you know, Ned. Yeah. I want you to be well in life. I don't think we want this podcast. I don't think we want to see your face for a little while. I think we need to take more time, you know what I mean? Because it's like, you tried and, you.

[Moses]

Know, we keep saying the face, but it's really more. The tone. Yeah, the tone and the way that he's speaking about those things. You immediately get the sense of who's in front of you. And I'm like, you're lecturing to us. Slash gaslighting us. Slash men's playing to us. Like, it's. It's a really.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

It's not coming off from a place. And that's why there's nothing wrong with his face. It's just the way he's talking to us.

[Trish]

Yes. Yes.

[Moses]

Feels like you're still looking down at us. You're still looking down at us and telling us like, we're trying to pull it out. We're wrong. And that the Internet did you wrong.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

And, like, everyone is at fault here, and you should still be at the pedestal. You were doing the same content you did.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Like, when the band is broken, like, there's no. How many members of a band broke and took off a solo career and were successful? Very few.

[Trish]

Paul McCartney.

[Moses]

Very few. Like, where's Ringo? Right?

[Trish]

Like, where is Ringo?

[Moses]

Exactly. He's in Beverly Hills making peace signs. But all I'm saying is, like. All I'm saying is, like, he's. He's a. He's a person that broke a band, and now he's trying to do something. I'm like, no, obviously.

[Trish]

Oh, I like you.

[Moses]

You were.

[Trish]

Yeah. You're the reason.

[Moses]

You were somewhat okay in a group setting. And even then, people didn't really like you. Now you broke that group and you're on your own and you're trying to do something. I don't think so. Like, it's.

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[Trish]

Who broke a band that it was, like, their fault that there was. Like, you're the reason.

[Moses]

I think. I think people was Yoko Ono as far as the Beatles.

[Trish]

Well, I guess I'm just. Yeah. People, like, blamed her, but that's a little.

[Moses]

Probably not, right.

[Trish]

Probably not. I mean, I don't know. We don't know that. But, like, is there someone who just, like, was so wild and just, like, could not keep the band? Like, we had to kick him out. I feel like there has to be.

[Moses]

I'm sure there is. I'm just not good like history of, you know, kind of thing.

[Trish]

I feel like someone probably just like.

[Moses]

All the boy bands, nothing like that happened. Like kind of from NSync.

[Trish]

Usually they just leave because they're like trying to be a soloist. Their career gets too big or something like, you know, but no one this crazy, this type of like net. You are so right on that. Like you broke up the band so diabolically and like also like ruined just like everyone's career that worked for you and around you in this company and this editing and just like the, like you really just blew up. Yeah, that was the thing. It's like cheating is one thing and that is crazy. And we do not like a cheater Austin McBroom. But it's another thing to like do it with like your employee that's like on camera and that everyone knows and that like your company relies on it and just like, like you just ruin everyone's livelihood. Like, that's also like, that's like another level. That's like an extra step that you have to work a little harder, build a few more wells to get out of. So yeah, I think you really just need to take a little more time. And I think it's not coming back on on a podcast or trying attempting series. I don't know what it is. I don't. I just don't see it in the cars because like try guys were like, like their content was because, like people like them. Like, we love these guys. These are just like some next door guys. The guy that loves his wife, the tall goofy guy that sings, the other little guy with glasses and a hot guy with good biceps. You know what I mean? It's like they're like, they like the relatability. Oh, they're trying things. They're trying to cook, you know, I think I never watched Try Guys, but I'm assuming that's why they liked it and just take a little more time. Hopefully, you know, just. I don't know. Again, you went to school for chemistry. Like, go, go. Just would be, you know what it would be his comeback curing cancer. Could you imagine? I think we might all rally behind him. I think we might be like, good job. And he like came public with it. Like, I do think there's a cure for cancer, but what if he's like found one that is attainable to everyone. He's like, I'm gonna leak this on my YouTube channel that's the podcast we want. Maybe you could do it. I love that we were on the same page of that.

[Moses]

I know. Somehow my mind told me that's what you're going to say.

[Trish]

Yeah. All right, well, maybe someone will be on his rock bottom podcast. As she's making the podcast rounds, Colleen bound like. Like, Oscar sent these in the notes, right. And he's just like, I know you're trying to keep it non drama and light as we are here in New York. It's like just. I'm having a great time. I don't like to in the past too much, especially my own past where it's like, this is a lot. This was a. I would say this. I wouldn't say it's a rock bottom for me. This was a. This was a weird summer for me. Okay. Two years ago with. So there's. I don't want to call it trauma because it's not so trauma for me. Other people for sure. But I'm not gonna lie. It was a rough. Was a rough. It wasn't. Yeah, it was. The most anxiety I've ever had was the summer of 2023, June of 2023. It was so much anxiety. Like, yes, this person set my nudes to make fun of me to fans. That part is crazy. But I think it was like more crazy just getting like voice memo'd. Being voice memo'd bombed like for like just every day, all day, while I had like a nine month old and I was like going through everything and I was just like, it was a lot. It was a lot. It was so much. It was so much. And I'm like laughing through like uncomfortability. And Oscar's like, you could just keep it like light. As we were discussing too, it's like, I don't want to get in the weeds, but at the same time I feel like this is a platform and I do want to use it to speak on things that I do feel like strongly about. I think there's things I always say like, I don't know, I always ask my. Is there anything that I have like a hard stance on? And I think like a hard stance is like, like, you know, this power dynamic, this, you know, older person gaslighting younger people, using them, manipulating them, and then just never taking accountability and apologizing. Like it is a trigger on like a different. A different level. So Colleen is back and again, I'm gonna keep this like so light because it's just like.

[Moses]

Because also the real like the conversation, it's almost not so much about her, but about the interview, like, the podcast itself and. And the whole thing. Because it seems like between Ned and all those people, like, seems like they wait two to three years, they come up with a PR plan of, like, okay, this is the comeback. I'm going to do it. And it seems like this was a very calculated step, and. Because when I watched it, I was shocked. I mean, the interviewers were literally handing her the talking points as she was going through it. Because we know she's not going to apologize, she's not going to say anything different. This is exactly the same where she was all throughout this process. But the way they were, like, trying to give her excuses and. And instead of just asking questions, they were giving her the talking points that are completely pr in a way.

[Trish]

Yeah. I don't think it's their fault. I think they're like, it was like a setup to kind of make it.

[Moses]

But I don't know so much as a fault as part of the plan. Like, they. Like, whatever the PR machine is, they were either hired or, like, they were part of it. Like, the way they came about it was very specific. And when you read everything they said and every question, they were literally telling her, like, well, maybe what you did wasn't, you know, malicious, but it was just bad judgment. Maybe, like, they were framing it. There was one point that I was shocked. Like, they were talking about how they were telling her, like, it's not her fault because her fans gave her permission to be inappropriate with them.

[Trish]

Wow. Wait, what?

[Moses]

Yeah, and we're talking about. We're talking about the whole thing is, like, power dynamic between an adult and a child, which they kept calling them a younger audience or younger people. They would not say children, underage. So the problem with that pyro dynamic is that they cannot give you permission because they have no judgment to give you the permission.

[Trish]

And they were children. She was like, they were teenagers. I mean, I think Adam was, like, I don't know, 12 or so. I don't know.

[Moses]

Maybe they were young. They were like. I think at some point it was 14, but that's probably over the years. And yes, they were all young.

[Trish]

Who. So they said. They said they gave you permission to be inappropriate. Like, how?

[Moses]

And what were they. And then it felt. Felt pure, and it felt probably specifically with the underwear being sent.

[Trish]

Oh, this one I did see.

[Moses]

And all of that, like, the way they frame all those things.

[Trish]

This is what I'm saying is like. Like, how about just don't even talk about. Like, if you're just gonna keep sidestepping or like just lying about it. Just. Just sidestep it. Completely, completely miss it. If this was a PR interview or any interview, just be like, edit that question out.

[Moses]

Out.

[Trish]

Because like, it's. It's proven. There's. There's clips proven. Like, that's what I'm saying. When there's like hard concrete, there's no way you can misinterpret it, right? There is a clip originally put out where it looked like Adam was. Adam McIntyre was asking for underwear on like this like, stream that like Corey and Colleen were doing. The clip was edited in the full clip. It was them specifically Corey being like, Adam should wear the underwear because it would like, look good on him or something like that, right? So it's like they were the ones initiating the sending the unaware of. So it's like. I think that's like, that's what's so frustrating, right? It's. There's so many, like, ways she steps around this, right? It's just like, oh, the things that weren't true. And yes, there's probably some things out there that weren't true. Being like. So it kind of takes away from the stuff that was true. But like, why are you keep talking about the stuff that like, was proven true. You. You sent my nudes to Johnny. That's proven true. You're. And like, that's what's so crazy. Is like her other friend that was like holding my news up in the picture is like a friend that's like, not online. Like, that was when she knew, like, caught. Like, there's no photoshopping. There's like, that's your friend that's like, not even online. That's like holding up my nudes. Like concrete proof, right? Obviously she didn't bring that up, but I'm like saying with Adam too, there's like concrete proof in this whole underwear situation. You initiated it, you sent it to him. Done. He was a minor, a child, not a young man, a child. And it's like, okay, you're trying to not have that come up again. So just don't talk about it. Because the more. The more times you just say it's a lie or. Or I think she was like trying to insinuate again that like that. That he wanted it or whatever.

[Moses]

It's like, well, basically she was saying that he. The way it sounded that what actually happened is like, you know, she's.

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[Moses]

Then he followed up on that.

[Trish]

Yeah. Right.

[Moses]

So basically he was like, oh, are you going to. Is it that so.

[Trish]

And a child again, mind you, like.

[Moses]

Yeah, no, she's, she's the one that's supposed to stop all this.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Then she was trying to say I am trying to please my fans. So I do what they ask me to do and that's my fault that I'm so greatly connected with my fans and I try to give them what they want and this is my whole Persona. So basically, you know, it's like when you go to a job interview and people ask you like what's your fault? You know, like, yeah, oh, I'm, I'm.

[Trish]

I'm very giving to my fans.

[Moses]

Yeah. Something that is actually a compliment.

[Trish]

This is something that again is just like so concrete that this is so inappropriate. Like everyone agrees on it. She agrees on stop talking about it like it was inappropriate. Like, you know what? Instead of stop talking about like apology too. It can go a long way on this one. This is out of McIntyre, right? This is something I watched his initial video just watching the eclipse and he was like so triggered by this, like more so than he thought. And I'm glad the comments came to his support and I wanted to as well. And I'm very, I very much toe the line too with reaching out to Adam because it is very much like I never want to be that person. It's like now we're on good terms. I'm trying to be on your side. And we're banding together, so it's like. Because it can come across manipulative, right? In so many ways. So I'm never with any drama channel. I try not to be too much, like, thank you for the video or whatever. Like, I'm very much like. But I'm glad the comments came to a support, because you can. And I'm like, I feel like. I also feel this way, right? Like, so many things I thought was, like, totally okay, and I was totally fine with right as like, a child. Like, later on, you feel trauma from even my. Of days. Like, my say. Like, I. I work through therapy now with it. Like, I feel like I have, like, weird trauma where, like, in the moment, in the time. And I was like, an adult. I was like, in my 30s. So very different than Adam, who's a child talking to, like, a. His. His, like, idol. But, like, you can feel, like, more as you get older. You kind of reflect more and you feel. You feel more that trauma. You feel more of, like, what hit you, what happened to you. So I'm glad people were like, it's okay to feel like this. He's like, I didn't think it was gonna hit me this hard. And it's okay to feel like this. It's like Jeff seeing David just spend money. Like, there is. It has to be infuriating. And constantly being, like, referring to him as, like, this incident that's not true, or this incident that. When it's, like, so proven, it's so inappropriate, everyone knows it. So either apologize or just don't talk about it. And there's no apology. Which should be noted on this episode, was the title was originally Colleen's actual apology to Colleen telling. Telling her side of the story. They switched the title, which is, like.

[Moses]

Tells you everything you need to know.

[Trish]

Like, because there wasn't. And it's like, I just. I don't know. I think, like, how can you not. Even if you hired a PR person or you're trying to do a PR cleanup, how can you just not say sorry? You. Even if you didn't mean it, right, like, you should mean it when you say it, but even if you didn't mean, like, it's. It takes a special kind of person not be able to, like, say sorry in a situation where they fully messed up on this Adam one especially, like, it really. Obviously, you see Adam constantly hurt by it. How can you not just be like, I'm sorry.

[Moses]

Let's take the whole situation of sending him the lingerie and put it aside. It's everything that happened after. It's, you know, it's like. It's like you're part of a call, but suddenly you get thrown out.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

And suddenly in the group chats, they're, you know, ganging on him and attacking him.

[Trish]

So much hate.

[Moses]

So this is everything that really seems to be. The inappropriate behavior was really in the group chats between her and those. Everyone in there that was pretty much children that she's like.

[Trish]

It was just funny.

[Moses]

And people were talking about, you know, whatever. It's like sex life advice about her marriage. Marriage. People like things just crossing certain boundaries. Because that's exactly what we talked about earlier about, like, crossing the line from this side to over there, like, and. And that's where I think a lot of it is not getting acknowledged, like, that all of that was happening. So I think she took the major pieces. Again, this is very pr. They took the major pieces. They gave her opportunity to tell her side of the story on each piece and how it rebuked. Because there are people that still like her and want to follow her. She just needs to give them an excuse and a reason to. To move on and accept her, you.

[Trish]

Know, and that, too. But the thing is, what they're. What they're missing, what they're both missing is like, the. Just the accountability. Just like, you know, the. The. Like. I. They both said the same thing, which was so interesting that. That's like, both had these, like, apologies. And this, like, PR resurgence right now is like, you know, that part of my brain was damaged. That part of my brain was missing. It's like. It's so the same, like, verbiage, and it's. That's not. That's not an excuse. That's not an excuse because it's like. And it. And it's. It's a repeated thing, too. Right. Like, it's like with Colleen, not Ned, where it's like, this happened a lot. And yes, it, like, happened a while ago, but it kind of continued. When they talked about the Becky, who I believe was the girl on stage who was 16, they were like, questions that were. I don't want to, like, blame the interviewer so much. It's Raven Simone, who's, like, very famous and very, like, well known. She was on the View. Like, I. I don't think they fully knew. So I do think this was maybe, like, a little strategy, and maybe they thought, like, oh, this will get views, or someone told them or they're in the same network or something. Or maybe they knew each other. I don't know how it was. They don't seem to have, like, the full knowledge of all this. Clearly, they didn't know.

[Moses]

I mean, they were pampering her. They were.

[Trish]

Of course.

[Moses]

Of course they were there to make her look good, sound good.

[Trish]

I don't think they knew the extent of everything she's.

[Moses]

But. But the things they talked about was enough. You know, the things they talked about was enough because, for example, with Becky, when she explained what happened, she had a slip. She basically said, you know, the yoga challenge was a challenge that couples did on YouTube.

[Trish]

Okay. So, yes, they knew.

[Moses]

So couples did this challenge on YouTube. Now she's bringing a child on stage into a couple situation where, like, me and you as a couple would do it. And now there's a child in her.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Acting a couple challenge.

[Trish]

Like, what was she wearing?

[Moses]

So immediately. No, this is not a place to put a child in a couple's challenge because you're not a couple. The age difference and all that. And on top of that, you're humiliating her on stage in front of people with that act. So. So I'm like, okay, did you hear yourself? Like, how do you take a couple's challenge and do it with a child on stage?

[Trish]

But the interviews, too, were just like, you know, like. Like, what. What was. What was this person wearing? Like, there's like, really strange questions. Like, just a lot of it is one thing to give. I could never give, like, Abby Lee Miller a platform. Like, no, there's nothing. If she was like, I want to come on your platform, maybe. If she's like, I want to apologize to all the kids, maybe. But even then, no, I don't think so. But it's like, I don't know. Just the questions, like you said, just the way they were setting it up. It's like, this is like a whole string of, like, children. That's what they was. And they weren't referring to as children that, like, you've hurt and there's, like, no real apology, and it's just consistently bringing it up and denying or saying it was a joke. Okay. Oh, the fart thing was a joke. And then in her ukulele song, she was just, like. She was saying it was just a joke, but then this one, she was like, oh, I didn't know. Like, there was just so many, like, contradictions. And it's just. I think that's just, like, what's so frustrating. And it is. And it's like, especially someone like Adam McIntyre who's like, fully out there, right? Like, it is, like, you have every chance to, like, do an apology for him. It's clearly affects him. And, like, keep bringing it up. Just knowing that there's the truth out there is, like, it is also.

[Moses]

That's where it starts. Like, if. If Becky and Adam and other people came out and said, she. I talked to her. Yeah, she apologized to me. I believe her. I forgive her. Then you start building a foundation to something, but it never comes from that way. It comes from, again, the PR way of let me go on a big podcast and answer soft questions and give excuses for the people that will believe it. And. Yeah, and I think what I sense is that her biggest resistance is the word groomer. And because people use that word, that's where she was, like, I'm not, and I will never accept it, and I will not apologize. Like, that's just not who I am. So that's. And I feel like maybe she just doesn't understand the spectrum of what it means of, like, you're an adult, they're children. You are teaching them a certain behavior in this power dynamic, and they're doing what they're doing to support you because you're an idol to them. And if today Adam is out, everyone is like, okay, the door is closed on him. Everyone attack him. So she just doesn't understand that grooming doesn't mean that you have one person that you're basically grooming for your sexual favors. Yeah, it's a whole. There's a whole range of it. So accepting it for what it is.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

And then saying, okay, you know, yeah, that was wrong. And that was. And that was the type of grooming that was. Okay, if you want to specify what it was, that's fine. But she would just not accept the word. And I think that's where she hits a wall and there's no resolution. Like, it doesn't move forward.

[Trish]

Yeah, it's. It's. It is. It does spark anger, and it's just frustration. It's just so frustrating. And, like, I get wanting to move forward and, like, yes. But, like, you have to. You have to start with, like, just acknowledging or just not bringing it up. Like, just keep bringing up stuff and, like, rehashing, because it's like, I'm tired of here. I'm tired of talking about it. I'm sure Adam is. I'm sure he's tired of having to be, like, again with, like, me being the liar. And so, like, it's just probably so fresh. It's like, A decade for him. And it's just, like, not fair. It's not right. She. I don't love. I hate, actually, the guys of, like, well, I'm a mom, you know? And as a mom now, like, that's, like, her thing. Like, now as a mom, I can see it differently. It's like, you were a mom when you sent my nudes to one of your fans. You know, it's like. And making fun of me. Like, I don't. That's not that, you know, being a mom can change you, of course. But you were a mom when all this was happening, and I. She was a mom when all was happening in the group chats, too, when she had her first baby. Like, yeah, you were a mom. So don't, like, use that emotional, like, manipulation to people. You know what I mean? And it's like, I do think it changes you. I do, for sure. But, like, it didn't with you. In fact, freshly postpartum. You're sending these messages, like, which I. That, to me, I can't fathom. Like, I cannot fathom that. And it's like, okay, maybe. Maybe say you were going through a postpartum psychosis or something. Like, you had an episode. Like, I don't know what it was, but you were a mom, and she had. She had a baby before, so it's just. I don't know. It's frustrating, I think. I think it's like, she came back to the Internet, fine. Do what you're just doing, you know, collecting rocks, whatever. Being with your family, fine. But don't keep calling people liars, specifically children. Like, that's crazy. Like, just go on a podcast. Try to do your PR safe thing. Try to be like, I'm trying to move forward. I'm trying to move on. But, like, I don't know, to keep bringing up, like, these. These kids and just being like, well, they gave you permission to do that. Like, great. Insane.

[Moses]

They gave her every possible excuse in that interview. Then they were like, do you feel like it's also issue of time? Like, comedy back then was a certain way, and comedians suffer from the idea of, like, they were telling jokes 10 years ago that now they're held accountable to. Like, they tried in every way to excuse her behavior.

[Trish]

What did she say to it?

[Moses]

She was like, yeah. She was like, well, her perspective is basically, when I started, my audience were adults, and then they became kids.

[Trish]

And then quote from Oscar.

[Moses]

And then I mixed my comedy so some of it will address the kids, and some of them will go over their head to the adults. And I was like, like, well, I don't think it works that way. You know, you either.

[Trish]

Colleen claims that the Miranda Sings character was never for kids, but quote, for older gays. Quote from Oscar Girl. We were never gagging like that. So basically, that was not your audience. And you know that I've been to. Like, that was not your audience, and you know that. Like, your shows were children. It is. And like, I guess, okay, comedy. Yes. Her haters, back off show. Like, I watched it. I liked it. When we try to rewatch it. When, like, I was like, when Colleen. I did that podcast for, like, two episodes. Like, I was like, it was. It's, like, so deeply disturbing. Like, about the uncle and all those, like, jokes. And you're like, oh, that is deeply disturbing. And, like. But, like, Netflix proved it. People were watching it. Like, yes, humor is different, but group chats and talking to minors and, you know, like, yeah, manipulating them when Adam was out and trying to. And editing that clip to make it look like Adam wanted the underwear. Like, all of that was, like, malicious and had nothing to do with comedy. That wasn't even online. That was all secret. The stuff about the tampons, the stuff about the mirror. Like, all that stuff was happening in secret. So it's like, yeah, that I just.

[Moses]

And for me, it's like, it's one thing if. Okay, you started doing YouTube videos and you don't know who's watching them.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

So much of her career was live audience shows. You see who is front of you.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

You see their age. You. That's it. At that moment, you shift your. Your material to be appropriate to that. And especially, it's one thing if you tell a joke. It's another thing if you bring a child on stage and have them, you know, get food from your pants and eat it, do all the, you know, the yoga challenges, those kind of things. I'm like, yeah. And she's. And she keeps saying, like, yeah, I felt that it was odd. I felt something awful about it. I wish I did something. I'm like, no, this is. You're the boss. You wrote it. You performed it a hundred times. Like, it was. Yeah, it's like, one time, it's like, you weren't hired. Nobody wrote you a script. You didn't act it out. Like, it's. This is.

[Trish]

We just, like, need to. Like, she just needs to stop.

[Moses]

It's. And it's a combination of things. It's like, okay, the performances, the audiences, and then talking to them. And so it's like so many things happen. Meeting them in real life, meeting Adam, like, going to land, like, yeah. So it's like there are so many levels and layers to it, and that's why it's an issue. Yeah, that's why people have an issue with it, because it's not one thing. And like, you would say in the beginning how you felt about it all, but for me personally, because we get to. It was personal. Like, it was just heartbreaking. More than traumatizing. It was just heartbreaking, shocking.

[Trish]

Like, shock.

[Moses]

Like, you know, it's a person who came to her house and all that, like, and she's. She is talented and charming and smart, and you're like, yeah. But then suddenly you're like, but to. Wait a minute. This is. And it was just, like, so hard. And that's why, you know, when you look at people like, you know, Jojo or other people that know her from a young age, and they just believe everything she says, and suddenly, like, oh, yeah, everyone is lying.

[Trish]

Yeah.

[Moses]

And everybody's lying. Everybody's. I'm like, but why?

[Trish]

Yeah, well, she said, it's us.

[Moses]

But why would everybody. Like, what's the point? Why are those kids rebelling? Why are those kids.

[Trish]

But that's what was so. It's, like, so scary because, like, when you're caught or when you're about to be caught or found out, or everyone's like, like, you think you come clean to someone. And I gave her so many options to come clean. Right. But what was so scary before the thing about my stuff came out was like, oh, no, they were sending me weird messages about you. They were. They were sending me, like, she was, like, reversing everything that she did to them. And I was like, I guess I believed it. Like, who was I to know these people? And then when I saw it, I was like, that's, like. Like, it's, like, malicious. It's really sinister. Like, it's really scary and dark. And I just was like, it was very shocking. And like you said, it's like you're in the home. Like, you're in the space with kids and everything, like our kids. And I just, like, it was wild. Like, you know, just. I don't know the. The whole thing. And it's all. It's all deeply upsetting. It's very, deeply disturbing. Like, there's multiple children that were hurt by this. I don't know. The comments. The comment section, though, doesn't really lie on this. A lot of people had very valid criticisms of it. Not it, girl. Not it. And I just, like, I feel. I feel awful. And I think that's why a lot of people just, like, step back from it. Like, I don't know if we hear from, like, the Becky of it all, but, like, it's a lot. It's a lot to have to constantly.

[Moses]

Talk about and hear about everyone that's been hurt with by it. Just the fact that this episode, just seeing that the podcast is going to come out and she's going to tell her side of the story. Immediate. Yeah, you know, it's anxiety. It's like, okay, what's going to be said this time? You have a bigger. She has a bigger platform than they do. How people are going to react. Am I going to be called a liar again? Am I going to be called, like, are people going to come for me again? Like, people just want to move on.

[Trish]

People just want to move on.

[Moses]

And it's like. And that's why it's so horrible. So. And it's like. It's like, how is this not the actual apology? Like, how is it. Again, she. Because she admits, like, the ukulele thing was wrong. I'm like, okay, so to the right. Like, where's the right thing? Where's the actual thing, too?

[Trish]

I don't.

[Moses]

You know what I mean?

[Trish]

Like, and then to have co signed by. They are. Tea time is like, you know, Raven's a very big, like, celebrity and respectable and reputable and all this stuff like that. I think then to have, like, someone like, kind of to be on her side and co sign, I think people got more frustrated because it's almost like having, like, okay, look, this person's giving me a chance. Like, everyone else can give me a chance, too. And it's like, maybe more people would. Because also, too, when you apologize, like, sometimes and, like, that's all you can do, right? It's about the past. Like, you can apologize and just move on. They can accept it or not accept it. That's totally up to them. And, like, you don't have to accept an apology, but at least you could say I did it. At least they could say she did it. What else can we do at this point? You know? But she can't even do that. And I think that's what's, like, so frustrating. After all this reflection all this time, you know, just, you know, I don't know. It's. It's very. It's very bizarre. But we do have to wrap it up. And I guess it went a little more deeper than I thought I was going to be like. But it's just. It's a lot.

[Moses]

Like I said, it's unfortunate for her that I didn't sleep last night. I got to watch the whole thing. I have more notes, and I. I really do do her side. It's the same thing. She's just saying all the same stuff she said before. But the interview itself, that's what really, really got me. And I was like, this is wrong on so many levels. The way they were trying to just give her the talking points and try to brush everything.

[Trish]

The prompts, you're. Yeah, that's it.

[Moses]

That was really, really odd and manufactured and like a complete PR that. That failed greatly. Like, great failure, too. So I'm like, good luck with that.

[Trish]

Yeah, good luck with that. And that's it. That's our time. You guys, thanks for being here. Thanks for tuning in. Take care of yourself. Take care of each other. Take care of your mental stability. Take care of your heart, take care of your peace. Protect it, whatever that means. Whether that's getting off social media, going for a walk, or performing on Broadway. Protect your peace. And we love you guys. Thanks for being here, and we'll see you real soon. Bye.