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I met Demi Lovato and she was like the first person to ever, like, give me her phone number.
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Oh, my God.
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And that was so. And she was like, call me anytime. Text me anytime.
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Did you text her?
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I did text her and she never texted me.
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Oh. But you know what?
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It was, honestly, that was enough. Essentially, audition for a chance to challenge them where the judges would vote you through.
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Who are the judges?
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So the judges were Diddy?
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No.
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Her name is Trish.
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She's got the dish. Hello. Welcome back to the justice podcast. In 2025, everyone, our first guest.
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Oh, my God.
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Yes.
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First guest.
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25, YouTube viral sensation at the age of 13. And now at age 27, she is a rave princess about to take over. You're going to save pop music 2025.
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Thank you.
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Rebecca Black, you.
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Thank you. Thank you so much. It's an honor. It's genuinely. This is. Can I swear?
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You can swear.
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You can say crazy for me. Like, I was just about to tell you, but I thought I would save it for this. You have been in my life without knowing me literally for like 13 years. Wow. Like, I was there early, early, early investor in trisha paytas.
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B
Wow. 13 years. That's wild.
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I remember you were like living by the beach maybe, and you were doing like your fast talking videos. You were doing like beauty tutorials.
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B
That's really over.
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It was. I have. I've never left.
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Wait, so you were like a teenager then?
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Yes, yes. Blossom Doll for mj. I was early. I don't even know how. I, like, I've been a YouTube, like, even, like, regardless of my own YouTube thing, like, I've just always loved YouTube.
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B
You've always loved YouTube. Before Friday you were like, into YouTube.
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Oh, yeah. I was like making like little videos with my dad. I had all these little channels. Oh, that's so sweet. They're all gone. I wish I could get them back.
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B
Wait, why did you delete them?
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I deleted them because. So. So I had like, my own little channel where I'd make, like, music videos and little, like, sketches with my dad's, like, webcam.
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B
Oh, my gosh.
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And then I remember I got my, like, first comment and it was like I could tell it was like a older man's account and I got so scared and I deleted everything.
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Oh, you hit instantly. I mean, how old were you?
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I was probably like 11.
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Yeah, yeah, I'd be scared too, I think. Any comments back then? Were you uploading it yourself too, at 11?
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Oh, yeah, yeah. Becca. One, two, two, three. Three, three, four. Four four.
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Four.
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That was my username.
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You went by Becca?
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Yeah, my parents call me Becca.
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Oh, my God. That's actually so cute. When did you change professionally, Becca? At 13.
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They honestly. Yeah, I, like, I've always had a lot of nicknames. My parents named me to be named Becca, but they're the only people who have ever called me that.
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That's so funny when people do that. I'm like, why don't you just call you Becca then? You don't even have to have it shortened.
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I know, I know. Now, like, a lot of people call me rb. I like rb. Like, I don't even. I can't even think of many people who call me Rebecca in my personal life.
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I love rb. That sounds so dj, which I know you are. It's very cool. And when you texted me, you're like, it's rb.
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I like, call myself rb.
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That's cute. It's cool. It kind of sounds like Barbie or. I just went to Arby's today and had cheese sticks. Like, it's cute.
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I love anything that is, like, art. Like, I love Arby's for that reason. I love, like, anything with those initials.
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Oh, my God.
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They're around. They're around.
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Are you an Arby's girl?
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I. My dad loved Arby's, so we would, like, once a month, go to Arby's and get whatever. Whatever the sandwich is called.
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Which one? Roast beef. They have a fish sandwich.
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It doesn't.
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It.
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Isn't that, like a name for the. The one like roast Be. I don't know. I actually haven't had it in time.
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I have. You know what? I go and I get mozzarella sticks and cheese fries. So I never eat a san. So I don't know.
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Really?
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Yeah. I do love Arby's, but never know the sandwich. Yeah, there is one like a French dip or. I don't know, one of those things.
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Something. Whatever. It's called the super Whatever. I don't know.
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There's a super at Arby's.
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I fully just made that up.
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So I love it.
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It's whatever the roast beef sandwich is with, like, sauce. I don't know.
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Do you like roast bee sandwiches?
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I do.
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I don't know if I got into them because they're just. That's what they're texting.
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It's our beef. I don't know.
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Oh, right. Roast beef.
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No, I just. I love. I do love, like. I love meat. I love a steak. I love.
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Do you.
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Okay. Oh, yeah. Ye. Yeah.
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Oh, interesting. No, it is interesting.
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Hard hitting.
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First of all, I love talking about. I'm sorry. I just, like, literally went. I wouldn't say a binge because I'm, like, healthy about it, but I went and I had. I had raising canes, and then I went to Krispy Kremes, and then I went to Arby's, and I documented it all on my TikTok. So I just. Because it's later in the day. This is 1:00. Usually we film. Sometimes, like, Hot Topics, we film at 10. So I eat before, and I was just like, what if I get hungry? So I was like, let me just eat everything right now.
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Cause, you know, I, like, stopped at Ewhon on my way here. I was like, let me just snack.
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The one in Calabasas?
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No, the one where I'm at. And, like, my side of town is Overlake, but the Calabasas one is crazy.
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I love an air one.
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I do, too. I like. I know I'm sounding really la, but I love it.
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No, it's, like, not overrated either. It's, like, good. It's just, like, there's always so many lines, and I just, like, sometimes waiting in line is, like, a lot.
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It is. I got really lucky today because I, like, really wanted to be on time, but I was, like, literally, like, speeding down the 101, like, scarfing my chicken tenders and.
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Oh, did you get the. Is it, like, the yellow ones? What are those?
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Do you get the sauce?
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I never eat sauce, but.
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That's. Right. I knew that.
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No, but I literally knew that. What's the sauce that comes with it?
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It's like the tender. It's like a pink sauce. It's like the tender. You have to ask for it, though. They won't give it to you.
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Do you have to pay extra?
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No.
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Oh, well, that's good.
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I know, I know. Kind of crazy.
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What is your RB smoothie at Erewhon, if you had your own, I. Oh, whoa. If you had to create one.
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I'm, like, literally a slut for, like, peanut butter chocolate anything. So it would have to be something with that, which I don't even think they have, which is crazy.
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Definitely not. Everything is always just, like, whey and blue and all that stuff.
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I do, like the blue one. Yeah.
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Great. But I love, like, literally. I'm just gonna test it, like, four times a week. I have a peanut butter chocolate love from Jamba Juice. Have you ever had that?
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No.
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It's so good.
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Yeah. No, I. Anytime I'm at, like, a smoothie place. I will be getting peanut butter, chocolate ice cream. Peanut butter. I'm a huge, like sweet queen.
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Yeah, same. It's so good. Just gets you like excited and comforted and all that.
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Yeah.
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Anyways, there's more exciting. You should do mukbangs because now that.
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I know you're a foodie, just hit me up.
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Why are you not meeting on camera at your air wand? Just be like having those chicks.
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I. I thought about it. I thought about it because it's also.
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So exciting to get your food and if you have no one if you're eating by yourself anyways.
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Totally, totally. That's the issue though is like, I turn on like, you. No, I'm listening to you. I like listening to other people. Like, I don't want to like think when I'm eating, you know.
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Well, maybe for like a minute you could just turn your tik tok.
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I could do. I could do a mukbang. Mukbang era.
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Just a little one. I. I don't really do them on YouTube anymore, but I love a little tik tok.
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Have you seen that girl Father Kels? Have you seen her mukbangs? Oh, yes, yes. She's like been popping up a lot. She's like been also in my kind of like outside circle.
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She's been around. Yeah. She's friends with like Stassi baby and all them. Yeah.
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Yes. Which like, I kind of know through mutual people and I, I love her tik toks. She eats the best looking food. I don't know if I've seen that. They're awesome because she just sits and like chills and like eats in silence.
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Oh, in silence. That's even better.
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Not like full in silence. But she's just like by herself. Like, not like talking about random stuff all the time.
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Okay. I kind of love that. It seems more relaxing because it is a lot of work sometimes to be like, okay, what are we talking about? Yeah.
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Oh my God. I can't imagine doing like hour long mukbangs or anything like that. Mukbang. Mukbang.
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I don't really know either. That was the route I went.
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But I miss them.
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No, they're good. I feel like they are making comeback. But you started not just your dad still doing YouTube or is he. Didn't you say you were doing videos with him at the beginning?
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He was like helping me. He was helping me.
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He was in them.
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He was not in them. No, my dad is like the most like Iowan like types on a keyboard, man.
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Is he from Iowa.
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He's from Iowa. Ooh.
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I'm from Illinois. We love a Midwest.
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Yes. Yeah. Grew up Iowa, Illinois. And he's like a veterinarian. My parents are veterinarian. So.
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Okay, no Nepo baby here, because it seems like you would be when I look at. And we won't harp on Friday. But let me tell you my intro to you, which literally was Friday, which was 2011, I remember so vividly. And if you google our names together, maybe not anymore, but like, at one point, if you google our names, there was like the top 10 worst songs of 2011 and your song was number one. And my song and I was so happy to make it was like number nine. And I made song. It was called Kiss Kiss. It got taken down because I didn't have people sign over, like, waivers to appear in the video. So people got embarrassed because it got back then. It did pretty well. Like 3 million views in like a month. So I remember, like, someone got embarrassed to be in the video and they, like, filed a privacy complaint and got taken down. But I did this song because of your Friday. I couldn't have been more jealous of someone's virality. I was like, what? Oh, I was so envious. Everyone was talking. Every, like, every person was talking about you in 2011. And I was so jealous. I was like, I need to make a song. I need to make a song. That's because Friday's not bad. But like, in my opinion, like, okay, what's a bad song?
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Or whatever you wanted to, like, hit the I. Yeah, I mean, it. It did. There were a lot, like, Friday agains afterwards, which was so fascinating because I was like, guys, what? No, you don't want it. I promise. Not this. Well, I mean, I don't know if I could have articulated this at the time. And if I would go back, I wouldn't change anything about Friday or anything. I mean, I can't even take credit for like, making the song. Like, I didn't write it. But at the time I would have, like, I. I just wanted people to take me serious.
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B
Oh, really?
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You know, Well, I just didn't know. I didn't even know that was what I really wanted to do. Like, I loved to perform. I was a huge theater kid. I thought I would, like, move to New York and be on Broadway. Like, that was my goal as a 13 year old. That was just kind of like an experiment that like, went awry.
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Do you think it was because in my mind I was like, that couldn't have been better. Like, I would have loved. I was. I wasn't 13. I'm 10 years older than you, so, like 23. I was like, wow, that I'm so jealous of that success. But as a 13 year old, are you like, well, my career is over. No one's gonna take me seriously.
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I was definitely. I was really scared. I think most of. I don't think knew how scared I was, but my world just, like, opened up. Like, I went from being just a, like, middle schooler with, you know, my little friends and being my kind of bubble of an Orange county kid. And then I just didn't know. Like, I was like a fan of YouTube. I was a fan of, like, Justin Bieber and, like, all the things happening then. I wasn't ready for that then. But looking back, obviously, like, it's made me who I am and it's taught me so much. And I don't think I would make the music I do now if it weren't for that.
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B
Really, you think? Because I do find there's people, like, for instance, my husband, he's like, oh, no, Rebecca's black music is so good. But, like, maybe wasn't familiar with your Friday. Like, kind of didn't put two and two together.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean? Because it's been such a long span and you're such a different person. Like, look, artist. Everything that I feel like people might be like, wait, that's the same person, you know?
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Totally. Totally. And now it's like when I play Friday at my shows or in a DJ set, it's like the best part of the night. Like, people so excited. They have so much fun. And, like, it's become this, like, symbol for, I think, where we've all grown into. And we've all grown into these versions of ourselves. We. Like a little more.
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B
Yes.
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But yeah, I mean, I just was being like. Like, I had my first pimple in the Friday video.
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B
Like, I had.
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Yes. Smackdown. Looks like a mole. It was a pimple blemish, like, blurred out. It's there. Promise. Look again. It's right there. And like, I just. What? You know, I just was not. I went to Forever 21 and, like, picked out my outfit for the video. Like, the day before with my mom. Like, it. There was no nepotism. You had no idea to guide me. No, no, no.
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But they try to replicate that Arc music factory tried to replicate it with other people. So they probably were excited. They probably were like, well, this was great.
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There was so. There was so much kind of that came after that. That you know, I just kind of watch from afar with everyone in the world, like. And, you know, it's. I'm just like, good luck.
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B
If you had a 13 year old daughter, would you. And she's like, I want to make a music video, would you be like, okay, let's do it.
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It's so. It's so. I. So I have like a nine year old sister right now, so feels kind of similar.
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Yes.
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Or like what I'd imagine to feel somewhat similar. And she, like, loves to. She's so creative and loves to sing, loves to dance and is like an amazing, like, painter. And to me as like her sister. And I think about it as how my mom was like, my mom didn't necessarily have the means to, like, give us everything we wanted, but she tried so hard, like every time. And Friday was like an example of that. I mean, it was just like, this could go on your resume and could take you where you want to go and like, go do that. Who am I to say no if you are a kid who like, knows what you want to do.
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Yeah.
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And. Yeah, so I don't. I mean, the Internet has changed so much now. And I watch, you know, kind of the new generation of influencers and like girls who are just the Charlies and the Addisons and like, everyone has just a completely different experience to what I had. So a lot of times I feel like I can't even relate to that. And I don't know what I would do if I had a daughter, but I have to think that I would allow her to follow whatever creative exploration she wanted to do.
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Especially at that young of age. To know you wanna perform is very cool.
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Cause, oh my. And like, I. Performing has been my life ever since I was like three and doing dance recitals and like, that. That gave me so much, like, love for life as a kid, you know, and identity.
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You're like, this is it. This is what I'm doing.
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It's like what I. Yeah. And I didn't know if I would do it for the rest of my life. I had a good feeling. But then obviously, like, everything happened and it just made it all mean so much more to me, you know, and then I had something to prove and, you know.
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B
Well, yeah, because in my opinion, it's like such a big hit. You have 167 million views. It's like, how do you even follow that up? Like, you can't really.
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Totally. And you're like, in an industry where everyone wants to do that next thing.
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Yeah.
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And so I Have had so many insane experiences with people I've worked with and like managers and agents and, you know, all of that. Of people who have tried to, you know, kind of. What's the word I'm looking for?
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Bottle it, replicate it.
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Yeah, yeah. And just kind of like squeeze everything out of it without really. Yeah, without really looking at me as like a 13 year old then and like, okay, what do we do for her as like a person who is still a child? So.
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B
And your parents probably didn't know if they're both vets from Iowa.
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They had no idea. And they were like, you really still want to do this? Are you kidding?
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And you did. So after all that, you were still like, okay, I'm still, I'm still going for it. You didn't want to hide.
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Yeah, I mean, my, like, teenage years were kind of funny and I, that was where I met a lot of people, like in the YouTube space. And I kind of fell into that world and that was really fun for me. And I, I met so many, like, lifelong friends through kind of like the early days of the Internet and all of that. But I knew as I graduated high school, like, my parents were like, okay, what you doing about college? And I was like, I think I'm gonna move to LA actually. And they were like, don't do that.
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B
Wait, really?
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They just, I mean, they're, they come from like a traditional, like, educational background. So they're like, but how do you, how do you expect to succeed in something if you're not going to school for it? And I was basically, long story short, just kind of like, you gotta dress me. Sorry. Like, I gotta do this. I'm gonna like, really give myself a shot and learn how to write and figure it out. No idea what I'm gonna do, but I need to try for myself on my own terms. And so.
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Yeah, and that age, I mean, I do think that's the age I always thought, well, school's always there. Which you can always go back to school at 25, 30, but like, 18 is, is a nice, like, sweet spot anymore. You can do any age you want, but that's like a nice sweet spot to be in the entertainment industry.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I think, like, it's so funny because I'd been doing it at that point and kind of in and out of the industry at that point for like five years. I felt so old. I felt time was like running out as an 18 year old. And I felt that so much throughout my early 20s too.
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B
Yeah, that's interesting. Who's what made you feel this, like, the pressure of, like, society, like, of the social media. Is it like, your managers or just you?
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Internally, it was definitely certain people I worked with who I don't think realized, like, really what they were doing or what the things they were saying would mean. Also, just, like, comparison. Like, you watch constantly as a kid, kid who's been doing this for a while, like, people just shoot up in a moment and you can't help but compare yourself. And like, I've had this conversation with other girls in pop music. It's like, even if someone is like a year younger than you and they're at your level, you can't help because you're kind of like, bred as a girl in this industry to compare yourself to, like, who is younger and who's doing it better and who is here where you should be. So it's taken me a long time to be comfortable in my age. Even being 27, I'm like, yeah, I'm so old, but so young. I feel young for the first time ever.
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B
No, I feel that way too. I'm 36 and I'm like, I still feel young because it's like, in my head. But like you said, it's hard not to compare. I mean, even, like, I don't know, four years ago, I remember when Addison and Charlie were coming up and I was. I was, like, jealous of them. I was like, gosh, I wish that was me. Even though, like, they were 18 or 17 and I was like, 32, and I was like, yeah, you just feel that because you are like, wait, I'm not gonna be that age anymore. It's so sad.
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Yeah. And I don't think that, like, the Internet realizes how they sometimes play into that too. Like, people are always saying things about everyone and to everyone and comparing people without even maybe realizing it. And I don't know, like, I. I feel like something happened when I turned maybe like 26. And definitely this year for me was a big year. And, like, you know what? I need to stop. I think because I had started so young, I was pretending like I was so much. I wanted to be seen as so much older and so much more mature and, like, you know, like, I had everything together. And this year I was like, nevermind.
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B
Actually, I regress.
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No, I'm regressing and that's gonna be good. And honestly, I think for the first time I've, like, felt my age in a way where I'm like, 27. I have no. I still have no idea what the Hell is going on?
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B
Yeah, Always.
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I'm trying it out.
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No one really knows. 36 too. I'm the same way. I'm like, I don't know where I'm going, but we'll figure it out, you know?
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Well, and honestly, I have to say, like, being such. You being like, such a poor. An important part of my life for so long, I've watched you be reborn so many times. And that has been so inspiring to me because I think that, like, as one is, as girls and as women and just as anybody in this industry, like, there is no. Did you watch Demi Moore's speech at the Golden Globes?
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Loved.
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A
So.
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So, yeah.
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It's the. That is the essence of what I want my life to be, you know, is to constantly feel like. Cause that's the truth.
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B
Yes.
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There's no rules. Even though we think there are.
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B
We think there are, but there is this, like. Yeah, that's like Renaissance. Now. I'm the same way. I look up to, like, older women, like Jennifer Coolidge or Pamela Anderson getting nominated. Demi Moore. And you're just like. Or Jean Hacks won. Or Jean Smart won for hacks at 72. And I was like, ah. It's like, it just. It is inspirational. Cause I always thought too, like, 30, you're just dead. Like, you might as well not even try anymore. So. But now I'm like, wow, I'm so young. I have so much left. You know what I mean? So, yeah, it is. I love. I love watching people, too. That and influencers are weird. Cause there's not really an influencer, like, older than me, so it's like, hard to see. But it is a weird thing. Cause you do. You can, like, at some point age out if you don't, like, age your age. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I think there was a time when a lot of, like, YouTubers that were like, 30 were trying to be, like, 18. You know, it was like the Miss Glamorazzi, who I love. I don't know what she's doing now, but, like, it was like the Miss Glamorazzi. All those people were trying to feel so young. Cause they thought, you know, their audience want to age with them. And it's, like, so sad.
- [20:27]
A
No. When in reality, like, you always have. I feel like so much of my audience has changed over the years. But, like, there have been people who have been with me from the beginning. And, like, we're all now in our 20s or maybe they're, you know, around my age. And I think that that's the best part about influencers and people who have been around in culture for a while is you can see the way that their life continues to evolve and learn and hopefully, like, you're growing with them otherw otherwise. Yeah, if you're pretending to be younger, it doesn't work.
- [20:59]
B
It, like, stops. I think today someone was talking about David Dobrik, like, making a return to vlogging. And I'm like, is he gonna just, like, vlog his, like, friends, like he did when he was 18? I don't know. Like, he doesn't. It doesn't really translate unless you, like. Like, you just, like you said, grow up with the creator, which is, like, it is cool to see, especially you, because everyone knows you at 13, which I can't even imagine being a creator that young, because it's really just like, you lived your whole life on the Internet. Like, do you remember time before social media, or did you just always have it?
- [21:26]
A
I mean, I remember being, like, 11 and getting my first Facebook account when I was definitely not supposed to do that, but I kind of. I don't know. I mean, definitely when I was a kid, I think my parents did a good job of, you know, keeping me out and doing things. And my brother and I were in so many activities and all of that, just constantly learning. But the Internet has been a huge part of my life.
- [21:52]
B
Yeah.
- [21:53]
A
For, you know, like, more than half of it now.
- [21:56]
B
It's amazing. I remember life before the Internet. I'm like, thank God the Internet existed.
- [21:59]
A
Otherwise, what were you doing? What were you up to?
- [22:01]
B
Nothing. I don't know. I was like. I was in Illinois just being like, how am I gonna get famous? And this was before the Internet. And I was just like, how do I get famous? And I was like, I guess I'll try reality shows. Like, I don't know. I was writing to sle. Oh, we have that in. I was writing to celebrities. You were talking about this. I think it was in the Drew podcast, writing zac Efron at 10.
- [22:15]
A
Yeah, I did this too.
- [22:16]
B
That's what was so crazy. So when you're saying, what did I do before the Internet? I was looking at people's addresses and writing them letters, and it worked. Sometimes I got responses like, john Travolta wrote me back.
- [22:26]
A
Stop.
- [22:27]
B
Jay Moore wrote me back. Yeah, I think. Yeah. They're just like, thank you for the note. And then they would send me, like, a headshot. Yeah. And I loved it. I thought that was, like, my in. And I would send scripts to, like, Miramax but then they'd send it back. Like, we can't take unsolicited work. Like, I was definitely that person.
- [22:40]
A
Wow.
- [22:40]
B
But you wrote to Zac Efron.
- [22:42]
A
I did write to Zac Efron in the fourth grade, and I sent my, like, fourth grade yearbook photo, like, retainer and all. And I was like, this is so awesome that they're just giving me his address. Like, maybe I could go. If I was brave enough, I would have asked my parents, like, take me to PO Boggs 2745, and, like, think it was his house. And I really thought that he would respond to me too. I really did. He did not. No headshot or anything? No, no. I mean, maybe. Maybe I forgot to put a return address or something.
- [23:14]
B
Yeah, you needed. It was called an sase. Like, a sign and stamped envelope. And they would, like, return something to you. Yeah.
- [23:19]
A
Wow. Yeah. No, I never. I, like, my one celebrity experience I had as a kid was, like, Laura Dern sat on my flight. She was like, the Jurassic Park.
- [23:28]
B
She, like, sat on your lap or something in the box. That's so cool.
- [23:30]
A
No, no, no.
- [23:31]
B
She was next to you on the plane.
- [23:32]
A
I mean, she was, like, in first class, and I was in, like, row 36.
- [23:35]
B
But wait, that was your.
- [23:37]
A
That was my one celeb experience.
- [23:38]
B
I love that you knew who she was. How old were you?
- [23:40]
A
I definitely did not. My dad was like, that's Laura Dern. You should get her to go sign your diary. And I was like, okay.
- [23:46]
B
Did you?
- [23:47]
A
Yeah.
- [23:47]
B
How old were you?
- [23:48]
A
Probably like eight.
- [23:50]
B
Oh, that's cute, though. When a kid comes up, you can't say no. You just are like, okay. And she signed it for you. She's nice.
- [23:54]
A
She did.
- [23:55]
B
I love Laura Dern, though. She's such a nice. She's fierce.
- [23:57]
A
She is, yeah. Big ally of the. Of the gays.
- [24:00]
B
Is she not a gay?
- [24:02]
A
Is she not getting. I have no idea. Oh, I have no.
- [24:05]
B
She comes across that way.
- [24:07]
A
She does give, like. Yeah.
- [24:08]
B
Especially in Jurassic Park. That was giving, like, major. Yes.
- [24:11]
A
But she had, like, gay people love her. She's one of those people where, like, gay people ride for her.
- [24:17]
B
Yeah. She is iconic. And, you know, sometimes when, like, it's like, Britney Spears, like, you don't really know. Well, you know why they're iconic, but you're just always kind of like, that's a random person to, like, you know, Laura Dern, but icon, you know?
- [24:27]
A
Yeah, she. I don't. There was such a.
- [24:29]
B
There was.
- [24:29]
A
She had, like, a year. And, like, I want to say like 2018 or something like that, where she was just out there. I forget what was happening.
- [24:36]
B
A resurgence.
- [24:37]
A
But it was. There was a resurgence.
- [24:39]
B
I don't know what she was doing. Maybe a TV show or something.
- [24:41]
A
There was. Something was happening. Something was happening.
- [24:43]
B
I love her.
- [24:44]
A
Someone will tell us what happened.
- [24:45]
B
I didn't know she was such a legend, but I love her.
- [24:47]
A
She is. She is a legend.
- [24:49]
B
And you got to meet her.
- [24:50]
A
I got to meet her.
- [24:51]
B
That was your first celebrity experience?
- [24:52]
A
That was like, my only one. And then obviously with Friday, I like, you know, met people and stuff like that.
- [24:57]
B
What's the craziest celebrity experience in Friday or just in anything like the one where you're like, either, like, so excited, like, I can't believe this is happening, or I love celebrities. So, like, meeting celebrities to me are like, I know I do the best thing in the whole world. I do.
- [25:08]
A
I love, like, pop and celebrity culture and all that, too. I. I mean, honestly, one of the nicest people I ever met was Demi Lovato in, like. I forget what. I was at a Katy Perry concert because I was doing some stuff, like, with kind of Katy around, like last Friday night.
- [25:24]
B
You were in the video?
- [25:25]
A
I was in the video. And she, like, brought me out to perform at one of her shows and.
- [25:31]
B
Wait, what did you perform Friday?
- [25:32]
A
She had, like, a. She would perform Friday at her show.
- [25:36]
B
Your Friday?
- [25:37]
A
Yes. She had, like, a cover section where she would do, like, a fake flute cover of. Of a big pimpin.
- [25:45]
B
That's so rand.
- [25:47]
A
Like, a whole thing where she would pretend to play the flute. And then I think one time she accidentally messed up. And then, like, people were like, oh, this is not real. But then she would do an acoustic version of Friday, I think at most of the shows, and she brought me out for one.
- [25:59]
B
And you sang with her.
- [26:00]
A
I did, and I was so scared. Oh, my God. It was at the Nokia Theater when it was the Nokia.
- [26:06]
B
Yeah.
- [26:06]
A
And I was so nervous. And then afterwards, there was kind of like a little after thing at the concert, like, in the whatever kind of club. I don't. I don't know what it was, but I met Demi Lovato and she was like, the first person to ever, like, give me her phone number.
- [26:22]
B
Oh, my God.
- [26:22]
A
That was so. She was like, call me anytime. Text me anytime. And she was so sweet, which at the time I was like Disney, you know, loved. It was everything. Yeah. Because that was like, my prime. Like, Camp Rock, Sunny with a Chance. I think that's what it was called. Like, all of that was my bread and butter.
- [26:40]
B
Did you text her?
- [26:42]
A
I did text her, and she never texted me back.
- [26:44]
B
Oh.
- [26:47]
A
But you know what? It was. Honestly, that was enough. That was enough. And I. I appreciate her so much. Yeah.
- [26:55]
B
The fact that she even, like, gave you her number is pretty cool, actually.
- [26:58]
A
I know. And she. I remember she put her phone or her name in my phone as Demi L, Which I was. I felt so cool. Cause I was like, I know. I know who it is. I won't tell. I promise. I won't tell. So cute.
- [27:09]
B
Yeah. You have, like, Demi vibes, for sure. I think especially now you have the bangs and so very sunny with a chance right now.
- [27:15]
A
I've gotten that before, for sure.
- [27:17]
B
I love her. I always think she gets, like, such a bad rap. People just, like, love to hate on her for, like. No, she is.
- [27:22]
A
She's fierce. I think she's so cool and just, like, sweet and has so many. I think people who are constantly, like, have these, like, iconic moments. Like, there's, like, the mug thing. Like, she just. I think that will always. History will always, like, treat those people well because it's so fun and fierce.
- [27:41]
B
And she's, like, so talented. Like, I. Like I said, I'm, like, a decade older than you, so I think it was, like, a little after my time. Demi came on the rise. But she's actually so talented. Like, I didn't know that. Like, I know all the antics surrounding her, like, the frozen yogurt thing. Like, I know that. But then I was listening. I was like, wait, why don't people talk about her vocals? Like, she's actually so good and so talented.
- [27:59]
A
She's insane.
- [28:01]
B
And no one. Maybe people do, and I'm just out of it. But I'm like, I never once heard people be like, she's a great singer. Yeah, maybe I don't know the songs or anything, but I just always hear about Out.
- [28:09]
A
She's got good ones. Skyscraper.
- [28:11]
B
Yes. That's what I know. I know. Skyscraper.
- [28:14]
A
Stone Cold. Stone Cold. It's.
- [28:19]
B
Wait, sing more. I love.
- [28:21]
A
No, no, no, no, no, no.
- [28:22]
B
I love that you start singing because it's my favorite thing in the world.
- [28:25]
A
I cannot sing a Demi Lovato song.
- [28:27]
B
Wait, yes, you can.
- [28:29]
A
Your voice is so good. I'm setting myself up.
- [28:32]
B
That sounded so good.
- [28:33]
A
It. Listen, listen. I could see you covering Stone Cold, and it would be incredible.
- [28:37]
B
Oh, if I knew what, I would sing it right now. I.
- [28:41]
A
Honestly, like, Demi could have been a really good Elphaba to me.
- [28:45]
B
I'm surprised she's Never done Broadway.
- [28:47]
A
I know, because she has, like, such.
- [28:49]
B
I wonder.
- [28:49]
A
She.
- [28:49]
B
You said you're a theater kid.
- [28:50]
A
Yeah, huge.
- [28:51]
B
Were you in plays growing up?
- [28:53]
A
I was. I was. I was Lori in Oklahoma. I was in Guys and Dolls.
- [28:58]
B
Oh, there. Did a lot of classics.
- [29:00]
A
A lot of classics in Orange County.
- [29:01]
B
Oh, conservative down there. They're like, let's do Surrey with the Fridge on top.
- [29:05]
A
Yeah, yeah. And then I did a lot of, like, random. Like, I did camps. Did you ever know about, like, OSHA or that, like, it's the or county, like, theater school. I always wanted to go there so bad. Or the art school. Oh, but they have a huge theater program.
- [29:18]
B
And you went.
- [29:19]
A
I did, like, camps there. And it was. You would do, like, these musical theater shows with all different numbers from a bunch of different shows.
- [29:28]
B
Like a review or something.
- [29:29]
A
It was like its own, like, original kind of storyline, but then it would be surrounded by, like, all the iconic. So we did, like, west side Story and like, all of the.
- [29:38]
B
You know, with a completely new plot.
- [29:40]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [29:41]
B
Oh, I kind of love. So it's like a jukebox musical, but with theater.
- [29:43]
A
Yes. Yeah. Basically.
- [29:45]
B
Did you perform at, like, Seeker Storm or, like, Are you. Where did you park his. Perform at?
- [29:49]
A
We would just do it there at, like, the school. At the school. But yeah, I only really did, like, kind of school. School stuff. I was not cool enough to go out and do it.
- [29:59]
B
You never tried Broadway?
- [30:00]
A
I never did, but I. I would. I actually last year was like, the first year that I kind of like, restarted the conversation for maybe some. Something trying it.
- [30:09]
B
Yeah.
- [30:09]
A
Y. Like, I would love to do, like, a Broadway version of Showgirls or, like, something.
- [30:13]
B
Is that happening?
- [30:14]
A
I don't think. I don't know. But I want it to.
- [30:18]
B
If there was a Showgirls musical, I might explode. You didn't go into the bathroom, but if you go in there, it's just me as Noemi Malone everywhere. I have, like, a thousand pictures. I made him dress up. Like I'm like we're doing at Showgirls is.
- [30:27]
A
You would be insane in that.
- [30:29]
B
My awakening. That's everything. I think I'm. I'm too old now. But no, I could be like, Crystal or something like that.
- [30:35]
A
You can be Nomi, I'll be Crystal.
- [30:37]
B
You would be a great Nomi. Would you ever do a role like that?
- [30:41]
A
Oh, absolutely.
- [30:42]
B
That. Oh, my God. I see that for you because I remember when Elizabeth Berkley did it and everyone was, like, so shook, and I feel like that would be such a good Role for you. Would you do the full, like, nudity and everything?
- [30:52]
A
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. I mean, I would be scared and I would have to prep, but I do so much, like, nude. Nude adjacent stuff in my art. I mean, I'm topless in my album art, so.
- [31:06]
B
Oh, really? Okay, so you don't have.
- [31:08]
A
Yeah, I like. I love it. Well, I have artistic big boobs, so it's. It has to be. I kind of, like, hide them down, but I. A lot of times, like, nudity. For me, I feel like there's a line where it's like, not cute. It's just like, mammary.
- [31:24]
B
Yeah. Is it annoying, though?
- [31:25]
A
It's so annoying, but I'm trying to embrace it and I'm trying to, you know, be cool with it.
- [31:31]
B
But you should fight against it. That's my favorite thing to do. Because I don't understand why we can't be. I always say that, like, why we can't be topless or with, like, a nipple showing. Everyone's like, oh, my God, her nipple showing. Delete it. And I'm just like, that's crazy. Like, the top of my nipple, but, like, a whole man.
- [31:42]
A
Totally like myself. You've got, like, tiny little boobs. It's, like, chic. Whereas for me, I'm like, my boobs are, like, down here if I'm.
- [31:52]
B
When you have to, like, dress up too, you can't wear, like, those open tops without looking.
- [31:56]
A
I know, I know. But you know what? I'm trying. I hate wearing bras. I've come to that point in my life.
- [32:02]
B
Life.
- [32:03]
A
We're like, I can't do it. So, I mean, I'm not really doing.
- [32:05]
B
It just brought me to. I. I'm the same way. And I just. I, like, should. And it probably would help my back and, like, probably looks better. But I just. I can't.
- [32:12]
A
I never even know anymore. I never even know. So I'm just. I mean, that's why I'm just letting them hang. But for, like, shows and stuff, I need them, like, strapped down. What do you do?
- [32:21]
B
Because for shows, for me, I always try and, like, wear something just tight. Because I can't wear bras. Because also, when you have big boobs, how do you find something that's not bubbling over? The straps aren't falling. Like, I can't find a right bra.
- [32:30]
A
It's hard dressing for. I work with a stylist who knows my body now for anything I do, like, music videos or shows. But it's hard, like, especially I want. I want to do something that looks crazy, and I want to do something that's really fun and out there. But, like, this is, like. It needs to be, like, architectural in the sense where it, like, holds them in place. Otherwise, like, it will just hurt and be dangerous.
- [32:55]
B
What's the secret, then?
- [32:57]
A
I am like, a corset girl through and through.
- [32:59]
B
Do you push them up then?
- [33:00]
A
I like. I like one that, like, like, pushes them here and then kind of, like, squeezes in the way, like, I'm cool with, like.
- [33:07]
B
Yes.
- [33:08]
A
I feel like if I have a tightness in the waist, it can almost, like, sit, like, sits them up. Does that make sense? Yeah, like a shelf. And I like a. Like a thick strap. Yeah, I like a thick strap and that. That seems to do, like, as long as I'm, like, tight here, I'll, like, wear nothing else, you know, like a. Like a bodysuit, corset or something with, like, a short.
- [33:31]
B
When you find something that fits your boobs right, you just don't want to make it in, like, every color, every.
- [33:34]
A
S. You're like, honestly.
- [33:35]
B
That's why I like the nude illusion, because I love to have, like, no bra, but I love a nude illusion that, like, can, like, bring it up, but, like, you know, keep them together.
- [33:41]
A
I feel like I've been staring at your boobs because of this conference, too.
- [33:45]
B
I was like, wait, you said that. I was like, wait, do you. Because I. I love big boobs. I do think it is, like, a thing of the past, but I love them. Like, mine are fake. I kind of done, like, three times, and I just love. I love huge boobs, but it is, like, not a thing people have anymore. But it.
- [33:58]
A
It is. And I, for so many years, have. Honest. I love that this is what we're talking about on this podcast.
- [34:04]
B
I did not. I know. I listened to all your podcasts never for this conversation. So I'm like. I'm, like, in one place.
- [34:09]
A
It's here. I love it.
- [34:10]
B
This is a conversation. I never could have this with anybody.
- [34:13]
A
And honestly, like, there are so many of us out there. There is. Yes. What was that? Oh, I. I've wanted reductions, and I've almost gotten them so many times in my life. But honestly, I am at a point where now having big boobs is just, like, such a part of my, like, identity. I don't think I could, like. I don't know if I would, like, like, my bodies.
- [34:35]
B
I feel the same way. I always think, oh, I should get them out. Men were always big. Mine were Just like lopsided. I had like a double D and like a B cup. So mine were just like crazy. Yeah. And they were always saggy. Even as like a 12 year old, I had like the saggy pointed down boobs. I've got that, but I don't. Yeah. It would feel weird to not have them. Cause I feel like they're such a part of my identity too.
- [34:52]
A
Yeah. I don't know. I've come full circle, so I don't know what I'll do with them. But it would be nice to like, not have to be like strapped down, just wear.
- [35:00]
B
Yeah. Because you dance a lot too, on stage.
- [35:02]
A
I dance a lot.
- [35:03]
B
So when you dance and the boobs. Yeah, you do have kind of secure the boobs for sure.
- [35:07]
A
But I've made. I've made workarounds and like, again, like, I feel like I. I've like found people and. And also like designers or things like that that I know, know how to like work the body.
- [35:18]
B
Yeah, it helps. Skims has been the only bra that like, feels comfortable. Have you tried skims?
- [35:22]
A
No, I've never tried a skim.
- [35:23]
B
They go humongous. They go to like 40 double GH.
- [35:27]
A
Wow. Are they comfortable?
- [35:28]
B
Yes.
- [35:29]
A
Okay.
- [35:29]
B
That's the only ones. There's like a body one that's like always sold out. It's like seamless and it's so comfortable. I'm like a 38 double G and it's just like, like, so comfy.
- [35:36]
A
But I have to try skin.
- [35:37]
B
I mean, it's as comfy as a bra can be. Because I am usually braless as well.
- [35:40]
A
No, I get. I get the shoulder in the back and then like here I just. Tight.
- [35:44]
B
No, it's painful. Every. Every day I lay down, I'm like, oh, oh, my bad. But it's worth it. But that's so interesting. Yeah. And as a performer too, like having to like, if you do Broadway. But that's why Showgirls would be great. I mean, they had smaller boobs in that movie, but that is true.
- [35:57]
A
But we could have like a boob. We could have like a big boobs.
- [35:59]
B
Nomi, Showgirl, Krystal and Nomi. Just like floppy boobs. I think that's kind of everything.
- [36:05]
A
It's everything. It's. But I don't know what I would. What I would do without. Without my boobs. And like now I also, like, have really. I think for a long time, especially being a kid in the industry, like, so many people were so quick to be like, can't wait till you turn 18 or, you know, say, like, totally. Who. Who does?
- [36:25]
B
That's great. Because I would think, right. You, like, are not. You weren't super sexual, like, in my opinion, I guess I didn't think you were sexualized. But the fact that people were on this, like, little, like, Friday song where you're like, yeah, you're covered up, from what I remember. So it's like. Like what? Like.
- [36:38]
A
Yeah. So, yeah, people. So, I mean, I feel like certain people will just, like, grab on to anything. But for a while, I. As a kid, I think was always. I always wanted. That's probably why I started, like, not really, like, showing my boobs and things like that is. I didn't want to be that. But now I've. I've become so comfortable in being, like, hyper feminine in moments where I want or I'm not like that all the time. Like, I don't necessarily go to the grocery store like that. Yeah. But in my music and in my videos, like, that is such an ownership of my own body. And also I know that, like, the people who really love it are, like, people who are not just purely sexualizing me. Yes. And that's. That's, like. That's everything to me now.
- [37:21]
B
It's almost like a confidence thing, like seeing you embrace, like, a womanhood and just your body and who you are and the boobs and all. You know what I mean? Natural boobs, all that stuff like that people just. Yeah, it feels good.
- [37:30]
A
Yeah. I think it's beautiful. And that's like, what I love about pop, too, is it's all about, like, in a way, it's like, why I've been so inspired by drag over the years is it's like taking something that other people maybe wouldn't see in this way and, like, doing it to the biggest and, like, boldest extent. Yeah. That's really fun for me to tap into.
- [37:52]
B
Drag is like the perfect, I think, explanation when I always think about that too. Cause in my real life, I'm definitely not. Not like, hyper femme. But I love, like, performing and putting on the girly, like, outfit and just a feeling like the boobs. Yeah. In real life, I'm just, like, hiding everything and, like, care less. I never wear makeup. None of that. Not to be like a pick me, but.
- [38:08]
A
Me neither.
- [38:11]
B
But I love, like, transforming, like, getting hair and makeup done and just feeling that.
- [38:14]
A
Yeah. Well, I think as someone who is probably, like, putting yourself out there as much as you do, it also, like, allows you to, like, get. Go on and then go off like, it's made it a little bit less like. Like I feel like I can tap into myself in a way that's not like. Like tiring or totally, like, messes with my own head.
- [38:37]
B
And just putting all who you are as like a person just out there, you can kind of have like a little Persona.
- [38:42]
A
Yeah, yeah. Because I definitely. I think that, like, something happens whenever I am making music, especially these. These days where, like, I. Whatever. There's like, the version of myself that has her own tastes and loves and everything. And there is what I've, like, built as who is like Rebecca Black now. And I love. That is me for sure. But it's a version of myself, like, I only get to really tap into when I'm on stage or like filming a music video or anything like that. And that's just fun. That is really, like, creatively inspiring for me to have that, you know.
- [39:18]
B
Oh, yeah. Like this sort of, like, outlet.
- [39:20]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [39:21]
B
What is Rebecca Black off stage, not performing?
- [39:24]
A
She is so normal. I don't know. Like, what are you doing I today after this? What am I doing today? I'm gonna go pick up something off Facebook Marketplace.
- [39:36]
B
Oh, be careful, girl.
- [39:38]
A
That's how scary you go buy yourself. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I like, I like, I have like, a friend away or I'll do it in, like, the daylight, you know. Also, like, my Facebook isn't my name or anything, but isn't that even more.
- [39:51]
B
Susy show up and it's Rebecca Black. And like, wait, I was talking to, like, Ginger. Like, what the hell?
- [39:56]
A
Well, I'm not showing my ID or anything like that. Wait, really?
- [39:58]
B
I don't know how Facebook works. You don't show. So you're just like, box. And here's this dragon.
- [40:03]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [40:05]
B
And he's like, here's money. Thank you.
- [40:06]
A
Yeah. It's always weird. It's always awkward. And you're always like, hi. Because I think also the people selling sometimes are like, who is about to show up to my house? I'm giving you my address. Or like, we're meeting by my place.
- [40:17]
B
They. They gather address their home sometimes.
- [40:19]
A
Yeah, I mean, it's convenient.
- [40:20]
B
Me at the Arowana or something.
- [40:21]
A
Girl, that is the smarter thing to do for sure. But I'm also like, hey, can I. Because, you know, I'm trying to, like, negotiate a good deal. So I'm like, hey, can I do this? I'll come by today.
- [40:31]
B
Why don't you have like, an agent or a friend or your mom or something?
- [40:34]
A
Do this I have the bounds for that. And also, like, I love.
- [40:38]
B
That's wild.
- [40:39]
A
I don't know. I love. I love, like, adrenaline. I like to shop. I like to shop, honestly. And I need people to know what I'm doing.
- [40:48]
B
Well, what are you picking up? Because I guess you can say it now because this won't air until next week.
- [40:50]
A
What are you picking up today? I'm. I'm like, like, in a home, like, escapade right now. I'm big nester, so it's like, I'm just always looking for things. I love helping other people, like, pick stuff out too. Like, I love, like, thrifting and vintage and.
- [41:03]
B
Really?
- [41:04]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [41:05]
B
Oh, that takes patience.
- [41:06]
A
It does, it does. It does. And I'm a little bit of a baby. Like, I like a curated, you know, situation. But Marketplace is like a dig.
- [41:14]
B
So you just go on Marketplace and you're just like, what? Can I find an antique?
- [41:18]
A
Yeah, yeah. Or like a. A. Like a. I'll, like, realize I need, like, a table for here, like an art here, and you can kind of type in whatever, and then the more that you type in what you want and, like, click on things and save things, it'll, like, algorithmically give you more of what you want.
- [41:34]
B
Oh, I see. It's called TikTok. You just, like, keep finding new stuff.
- [41:38]
A
It's very that. Yeah.
- [41:39]
B
Be the spokesperson because now I want to go on Facebook. Marketplace.
- [41:42]
A
Marketplace. Not Facebook, but just Facebook. Marketplace plays. I'm down.
- [41:46]
B
It's the second shout out you've given to Facebook. Meta should, like, write you a check. You said you were on Facebook. The first social media you had.
- [41:53]
A
I swear I'm not sponsored.
- [41:55]
B
Sponsored by Meta.
- [41:56]
A
It's probably my least favorite plat. I should stop saying you're the only.
- [42:01]
B
One I know who loves a Facebook under the age of 40.
- [42:04]
A
I like Marketplace. Marketplace. Everything else I don't know how to.
- [42:08]
B
Use that is very normal of you. And then what will you do for. For, like, dinner entertainment tonight?
- [42:14]
A
I love. I mean, I like. I love to be with my friends and, like, go out. I love the movies. I love to go walk around. I love a dog.
- [42:25]
B
Like, I don't know.
- [42:26]
A
What do I do? I, like, sit on TikTok.
- [42:30]
B
You're very normal. You're a normal girl.
- [42:33]
A
Normal girl with normal hobbies. We go walk around the reservoir. I don't know.
- [42:39]
B
Wait, do you. Oh, my God. That sounds scary too.
- [42:41]
A
It's.
- [42:41]
B
You're so full of adventure. Hang out by the reservoir.
- [42:46]
A
It's like a place where people Go, like, walk around and like, you, like, meet a friend and go walk. Because it's kind of like a little. It's like the most, like, wilderness you can get, like, in east la.
- [42:56]
B
You've come across my life so many times. Like, we were just talking about Greg. Paper magazines. Did you meet him through paper?
- [43:02]
A
No, I met Greg on Instagram. I like, DM'd him in like 2020. And I, like, wanted to dye my hair blue and so he dyed my hair blue. And he had, like, just moved to LA from New York. It was like a crazy little time and we've worked together ever since.
- [43:17]
B
He was doing lots of stuff in New York. He did Vogue. He was telling me he's doing all these crazy things.
- [43:21]
A
He has done iconic stuff. He's like, doing a lot of Lisa Rinna at the moment. So fierce. But yeah, Greg Lennon is my. He has, I love him. Done so much for me. I'm so grateful for him. Yeah.
- [43:31]
B
Cause we. I met him on the Paper shoot last year and then he, like, randomly again. He's like, I'm with Rebecca. I was. And then I just was like, I need to, like, reach out. Because we talk about you a lot on here. And I was just like, oh, my God, I need to, like, reach out again. And then. And then you go and see the DM. Oh, she's DM'd me. This is so great.
- [43:45]
A
Just for fun.
- [43:46]
B
I was so excited. No, I'm. I'm. I get so excited. Cause I'm like, okay. Someone, like, it's so scary to, like, cold message people because you're just like, they probably don't know me or don't, like, want to talk to me, you know?
- [43:57]
A
Totally. But whenever anyone does it to me, I'm like, hey, I get excited.
- [44:01]
B
I need to check it more because I never. My top request thing never works.
- [44:05]
A
No, I know, I know. It's never in, like, full, full situation.
- [44:08]
B
So I can never see. So that when I stop, I was just like, oh, my God, this is so great. But you just did Paper magazine.
- [44:13]
A
The COVID I did.
- [44:14]
B
I did LA Icon.
- [44:15]
A
It was fun. La. Who knew? Who knew? Oh, my God, that was really fun.
- [44:19]
B
Wild. How did that come about?
- [44:21]
A
You should have been there. I'm like, where were you?
- [44:23]
B
Didn't get the invite. I know, but there was all icons. Terry Jo Tana, you've done Paper, like, you know, like a digital, not cover.
- [44:32]
A
Justin Moran of Paper magazine.
- [44:33]
B
If you don't get.
- [44:35]
A
If you don't get Trisha on a cover, you're stupid.
- [44:37]
B
It's like, it's like the biggest Beyonce, I think was on it. And then you, you deserve to be on the.
- [44:43]
A
If I'm on the COVID of paper, you deserve to be on that.
- [44:46]
B
You're LA icon for sure. What was that? How did you get it? What was the shoot like?
- [44:49]
A
It was, it was very. America's Next Top Model. It was very. Cause there were all the different talent were like all there that day and so there were like. It was the first time I've ever experienced anything like that. Like 20 different makeup chairs and like all the different hair. Greg was like the lead and so he was kind of like, you know, giving everyone tasks. And I was on the COVID with Meta and Ricky Thompson, who. I know Ricky.
- [45:12]
B
So Ricky's been around for a minute Forever.
- [45:15]
A
Yes, forever. And like him and I have known each other through back in the day.
- [45:19]
B
Oh, that's cool then.
- [45:20]
A
That was really sweet to see him. And it was quick because they were like getting people in and out throughout the day. Like, I think Tana was right after me and so I missed a lot of people there.
- [45:30]
B
But are you shooting all together like your cover? You said you had those three of you.
- [45:33]
A
It was like chunks. Yeah. So it was us three and then the next one was like the next like four and then the next four and then the next four. It was wild. I've never done anything like that.
- [45:42]
B
You have an agent now or like someone's just DMing you?
- [45:44]
A
I have, I have an agent manager.
- [45:48]
B
They like help you get these things. I'm always asking how people get them, cuz like people just DM me or email me and I was just like, oh, I wonder how people get stuff.
- [45:54]
A
It's kind of like, like that. Like some people will just straight up DM me and I'll be like, the email's right there. Like, I'm not the. I'm. Because I, I always, I don't know, I don't know what to say or do.
- [46:05]
B
Oh, you don't like to handle it yourself?
- [46:07]
A
I do like it if it's like chill and it's like you. Yes, absolutely. I'm like, guys, don't worry, I got this.
- [46:15]
B
I talk to you directly. Which I love, by the way. I like.
- [46:17]
A
I do too.
- [46:18]
B
I don't mind going through a manager, but it's always a lot. They always ask a million questions, for sure. Review of the edit. I'm just like, that's so much for sure.
- [46:25]
A
And like, I. As I've gotten older, I think I really like doing a Lot more things myself. Because I also, like, know I can handle myself, you know? And I'm like, oh, this is too complicated.
- [46:35]
B
Yeah. But.
- [46:35]
A
But sometimes I. There's, like, logistical things, planning things that I just honestly am not like, the person to talk to about it.
- [46:46]
B
Need to ask for more money or accommodations or something, whatever it is.
- [46:49]
A
But, like, I. I think for. For people that I love and who are also, like. You're so easy to schedule with. You were like, okay, great. This day. I was like, perfect.
- [46:59]
B
I was gonna follow up with you, but, like, tomorrow. You're so on it. You're so. You were like. Literally, it was like, you're supposed to be at one and, like, one on one. You're like, I'm three minutes away. I'm like, girl, people show up at, like, three.
- [47:06]
A
That's crazy. That's great. No, I'm like, it's in the Google calendar. I'm there. That's how I like to be.
- [47:13]
B
That's how I forget to follow up with people sometimes. I'm like, well, if it's written, I'm just doing it. Like, I forget.
- [47:17]
A
Me, too. But then I'm like, I hope they remember.
- [47:19]
B
Yeah, no, it's good. It's good because people, like, do forget. Like, well, you never confirmed. I'm like, well, I didn't know I was supposed to, but I should probably do that more often. But paper was huge. I was. Because that was just the end of last year.
- [47:28]
A
Yes. Yeah.
- [47:29]
B
Oh, my gosh.
- [47:29]
A
That was very fun.
- [47:31]
B
Well, what I was saying before is we're in the same circles, and there was one. One YouTuber who I loved. I don't know where she is now, and I. Maybe she's still killing. It was Amelia Farr. I love her so much.
- [47:39]
A
Oh, my God.
- [47:40]
B
And she would hang out with you when she'd come to town.
- [47:43]
A
Yeah.
- [47:43]
B
And she got to hang out with Rebecca Black and all the lesbians. And I was like, I want to be there. I was so excited.
- [47:48]
A
You should have come.
- [47:49]
B
You were like, the named one. She's like, I'm hanging out with, oh, my God, lesbians. And I was like, oh, my God. That's so exciting.
- [47:54]
A
Oh, my God.
- [47:55]
B
That was. What would you guys do?
- [47:57]
A
Hang out on my couch.
- [47:59]
B
That's. Did you guys karaoke ever?
- [48:01]
A
I don't know if. I don't think we. Unless I have horrible memories.
- [48:05]
B
I went to karaoke with her in Koreatown. That's fine. And I think she was gonna go see you afterwards. And I was like, so do you think she Wants to come here. It was literally us in, like, a private room, just singing. And I was like, oh, maybe she'd want to come here.
- [48:15]
A
She was everything. No, she would just come over in her, like, gorgeous garb. And, like, I remember I had, like, just gotten a puppy and she came over and just, like, played with my puppy for a while. Cause we were. We were friends, but also, like, she was closer friends with some of my other friends.
- [48:30]
B
I see. Okay.
- [48:31]
A
So I always felt like the lucky one, like, being invited because I thought she was really cool, but.
- [48:36]
B
But you don't keep in touch with her anymore.
- [48:37]
A
I don't know where she is. I mean, she actually popped up. I feel like maybe she made something recently and I, like, saw her on my feed.
- [48:44]
B
I think I know she was, like, in a relationship for a long time, which was, like, exciting. And. Yeah, she was. If you guys don't know, Amelia Fart was so great. She was, like, as a performance artist, right? Because, like, some people thought she was real huge perform.
- [48:55]
A
Well, I mean, I don't think anyone. I never knew, like, I don't think anyone knew. And that was, like, the true, like, artistry of her.
- [49:02]
B
Yeah.
- [49:02]
A
And still is. I think it is.
- [49:04]
B
It totally was. Because I would, like, talk to her, like, in the downtime of, like, not filming. Right. Like, you're, like, driving the car or something and you're like, I'm still not sure if it's a character. And she's always lovely and always great, but I'm always just like, I wonder the real her. But I do love people who, like, don't let it, like, slip. But she was so iconic. She was. She had a tattoo of me on her thigh and I thought that was like. Yeah. She came to one of my meet and greets and showed me in Toronto and she showed me, and then I became obsessed with her.
- [49:26]
A
Is that how you guys met?
- [49:28]
B
Yeah.
- [49:28]
A
Wow.
- [49:29]
B
And then we did a couple videos together. We went to the Gucci store together and bought matching Gucci sunglasses, went to karaoke. I think she was friends with Shane for a minute. You were friends with Shane for a minute?
- [49:39]
A
I was like, early, early, early days. Yeah.
- [49:44]
B
How did that happen?
- [49:47]
A
Great question.
- [49:48]
B
The Shane connection.
- [49:49]
A
I met. I met Shane at CityWalk in, like, 2011. He had. Because again, like, I was, like, a kid who was, like, a fan of, like, YouTubers like, Ryan Higa and Shane and like, Ray William Johnson, like, like, Venetian Princess. I was super into her.
- [50:08]
B
Where's she? Jody? I love her.
- [50:09]
A
I did you know her?
- [50:11]
B
I didn't Know her, I just love her doing her womanizer parodies and stuff. I was just.
- [50:15]
A
I loved her. Like, that was like, my era of YouTube growing up.
- [50:18]
B
Wow.
- [50:18]
A
And so at the time, I, like, Shane and I met at a. The random. I think literally he randomly happened to be there. I was there for some random show that I was doing with, like, Grace and Chance and, like, Cody Simp. This is long, long time. It was very iconic. Very iconic, yes. My first. My first boyfriend broke up with me that night.
- [50:39]
B
The night you met Shane, you had a boyfriend at 13? Good for you.
- [50:43]
A
I was 4. I was 14 at the time. I was 14.
- [50:45]
B
That's very impressive.
- [50:47]
A
And, like, I just remember he ran up to me with a camera because he was. I think he, like, saw I was there and then vlogged it, and I was like, oh, my God, that's Shane Dawson. Like, I know who you are, yo. Yeah, of course. And I was, like, starstruck at the time. And then we did a few videos together, which, in hindsight, like, I don't even think I really knew that, like, he was doing a lot of, like, Rebecca Black jokes at the time and things like that. Right. I don't think I knew the context of it because I didn't understand.
- [51:17]
B
Yeah.
- [51:18]
A
And. But I do have to say, like, you know, I mean, obviously there's so much there, but when we would film, like, outside of filming, he was really nice to me and sweet, but haven't, haven't, you know, talked to him in a minute and a half since you.
- [51:38]
B
Were, like, an adult, you haven't seen him definitely?
- [51:40]
A
No. I couldn't even tell you the last time.
- [51:41]
B
Did you do his podcast?
- [51:42]
A
I did his podcast when it was him and Lauren. Lauren in, like, Burbank and, like, a dark. And we filmed some stuff that, again, in hindsight, wouldn't have. Wouldn't have even known, like, what was. Because that's also, like, part of. Part of him, too, is he always had a plan, and I would, you know, show up because I. I wanted to be liked and, like, I wanted to be. To me, like, I. I really looked up to him and.
- [52:08]
B
Was your mom coming with you?
- [52:09]
A
No. No.
- [52:10]
B
So how are you getting up at, like, 14?
- [52:13]
A
I. Well, she would come with me at that age, but by the time we were filming, I want to say I was, like, 15, 16, so. Yeah. Wow. And I was. I was driving, like, with a permit and all that.
- [52:24]
B
Yeah. That is crazy at 15, to be going to, like, someone that you, like, idolize and just, like, shooting content with them. Like, that's. It is cool. Like, I don't obviously blame you because, like, I would. I was writing letters to, like, Jay Moore when I was, like, 12, being like, I love you.
- [52:35]
A
You just don't. You don't. You don't understand the context. Right. When you're that age. Because at that age, I'm like, I'm 15. I'm so old. I'm so, like, I can take care of myself.
- [52:43]
B
Yes. And maybe he looked at you that way because you had so much success. You know, I think a lot of people look at kids who had a lot of success and think of them as just so much older, you know.
- [52:51]
A
Than they are, definitely. And I've gotten that throughout my life that a lot of people think I'm older than I am.
- [52:55]
B
Yeah, you're very young. But then it makes sense. I'm like, of course, you were like a kid then. But it does just seem you also just carry yourself a lot older than 27, which is, like, good because you're so professional. You're on time, you're following up. You're like. You know what I mean? Like, you're just that person. So it makes. It makes sense why people would think you're older.
- [53:12]
A
But, yeah, it's been a funny thing to navigate because again, like, I think I've had a lot of just, like, strange experiences with people. And again, when you're the kid in the situation, you don't know what you're walking into, and you don't know even, like, the con, like, the context of the jokes that are being made. Like, you don't understand what people are talking about. You're just there to laugh and have fun, and you're with one of your, like, favorite YouTubers and people who you've idolized for so long. So you're just happy to be there, right?
- [53:39]
B
Of course not. Not really.
- [53:40]
A
Yeah.
- [53:41]
B
Fully getting what you're.
- [53:42]
A
And you trust that, like, the adults around you know what they're doing. Right. And I. I think I. I was really lucky to, like, be surrounded by parents and adults who, like, always, like, really took care of me and, like, knew that I was a kid. But not especially in those early days of YouTube, like, no one knew what was going down.
- [54:00]
B
Yeah, I think that is kind of the scary part of it. I think that's why it's good now. People talk about that kind of stuff, so people are aware of, like, situations, what they're going into, you know, like, like, if I'm 15, maybe don't go collab with Like a creator, that is.
- [54:12]
A
No, no. And my mom had no idea what I was doing. I was just like, I'm going to hang out, like, I'm going to do my thing. I was independent and she was, like, happy I had friends, you know.
- [54:21]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [54:22]
A
So it's. It is. It is something that I hope that there's more, you know, I don't know what goes on in all the different worlds of kids on the Internet and in the industry these days, but, like, I hope there's more consciousness.
- [54:34]
B
It's hard. Yeah. With the influence, it's just like kids just showing up at, like, people's houses and just doing stuff yet as well.
- [54:40]
A
I can't imagine, like, a teenager showing up at my house where it's just the two of us and, like, I'm running the show.
- [54:46]
B
Yeah. That, like, welcome. Coming would make me so uncomfortable. Yeah. And most people. It would, for sure. Yeah.
- [54:51]
A
Yeah.
- [54:51]
B
It's such an interesting time. What's interesting too, is, like, so you did the influencer route and you were, like, super successful with, like, in my opinion, A Friday was, like, successful. But then you went on a reality show.
- [55:01]
A
Yes.
- [55:01]
B
Like, I'm seeing. It was like a competition show.
- [55:03]
A
Yes, I did before.
- [55:04]
B
Why don't I remember this show? Like, I don't remember it being on it.
- [55:07]
A
It was a short stint. It was a short stint, the four.
- [55:10]
B
Okay. And the premise was basically it was.
- [55:13]
A
Like a singing competition show, like an Idol or the Voice or anything like that. And the premise was that throughout the show, they were always in the final four. Like, they only had the final four best people the whole time. So they would, like, scout the world for the first four where they would, like, audition a bunch of people or. I don't know how they found them, but they started with four people, and then each contestant that came on would come on to challenge one of the four and, like, steal their spot. Does that make sense?
- [55:43]
B
Yes. But was there a winner or was there, like, a group of four that win?
- [55:46]
A
So then there would come, like, the final, like, you know, they would do this for, like, six weeks or whatever it was. And then the final four would get locked in, you know, like, their seats would get locked in, and then it was against them 4. And then the winner would come from one of those four.
- [56:00]
B
How far did you make?
- [56:02]
A
I was on one episode.
- [56:04]
B
Okay, you went to challenge a four.
- [56:06]
A
I went to challenge a four. And basically they would. There were two kind of, like, rounds. You would come on and, like, essentially audition for a chance to challenge them. Where the judges would vote you through.
- [56:19]
B
Who are the judges?
- [56:21]
A
So the judges were Diddy.
- [56:25]
B
No.
- [56:27]
A
What Diddy? Meghan Trainor and DJ Khaled.
- [56:31]
B
What? Love Meghan. Train is terrifying.
- [56:35]
A
It was a time. And Meghan Trainor, kind queen, always so nice to me. Oh, my God.
- [56:40]
B
Have you been on her podcast?
- [56:41]
A
No. No, I haven't.
- [56:42]
B
Wait, that's wild. That's such a funny show. I never. So what year is this?
- [56:46]
A
It's insane. I think it was 2018.
- [56:48]
B
Oh, kind of recent.
- [56:50]
A
Kind of, yeah. Yeah.
- [56:51]
B
And you went on just. Did you just contact them or they contacted you?
- [56:56]
A
I actually don't remember how that went down. I think it might have been. I didn't. No, I didn't contact them. I think someone might have, like, reached out from, like, a casting thing.
- [57:06]
B
Okay.
- [57:07]
A
And then I was like, you know what? I have nothing to lose. Like, I'll audition and just see what happens.
- [57:12]
B
I love. That's very, like, humble of you, because I do feel like you have such a name where it's like, going on a show like that is for usually people who, like, are trying to make a name, trying to get in the industry, but you're already in. You know what I mean? So to do that is very, like, oh, cool. I'm a queen. But the Diddy is wild.
- [57:27]
A
It is wild.
- [57:27]
B
How was your experience with him?
- [57:28]
A
I mean, I was never within, like, 50ft of him, to be honest. I do remember a moment where I don't think I was supposed to see this, but I was, like, behind the doors right before I was supposed to go on. And I remember. Cause, like, I had no idea what they were like. I was in no control of, like, how they were gonna, you know, do my story or whatever or anything like that. Like, I was just like, you know what? I feel like I can do this. I want to give people a chance to, like, hear my voice. Cause I've worked really hard. And I remember sitting behind the doors, and I don't think I was supposed to be able to hear what the judges were saying because they had a little TV where the judges were. Where, like, the crew could hear what they were saying. And I just, like, heard, like, Megan kind of, like, giving the, like, download of my career to Diddy because he had no idea who I was for sure. Oh. Which not like they were supposed to, but I just remember being like, okay. Interesting.
- [58:19]
B
Was it nice or was it. Yeah, yeah, it was nice.
- [58:22]
A
It was just kind of like, this is what happened, just so you know.
- [58:24]
B
Okay.
- [58:25]
A
And he was like, okay.
- [58:26]
B
And Then he's like, okay.
- [58:28]
A
I think so from what I remember. But I remember everyone kind of like, quickly told turning it off because I don't think I was supposed to know, but whatever.
- [58:35]
B
What song did you sing?
- [58:36]
A
I sang Bye Bye Bye. I did, like, a very dramatic version of Nyn's Bye Bye.
- [58:41]
B
What do you mean dramatically? Just slow and drawn out.
- [58:43]
A
Like, it was like. It was like a ballad version. Yeah. Probably gonna start a fight.
- [58:53]
B
I know this can't be right now, baby, come on.
- [58:59]
A
That was amazing. You have really good riffs, really good control. Yeah, you do.
- [59:04]
B
You sing beautifully. I love singing. It's my favorite thing. I don't sing well, but I love singing. It's so fun. If I had your voice, I would. If I had any sort of, like, a little bit of professional voice, I would be killing it. I'd be going on Broadway. I'd be going everywhere. I mean, I don't know why you're not.
- [59:19]
A
Have you seen the Raise your Yaya situation?
- [59:21]
B
She has asked to come on the podcast a couple times. Her manager has reached out. Should I get it wrong? Because would we just be singing the whole time? Which I love.
- [59:31]
A
I know nothing. That was Fears in the way on, like, in my car on the way here, I was like, oh, what is. What is the. No, it's like raise your. Yeah. Or whatever.
- [59:42]
B
That's so good. I didn't even know. I don't even know because I can't hear it in my head.
- [59:46]
A
It's something that's not a disliker. I. I've watched so many because I'm obsessed with the way her jaw just drops.
- [59:52]
B
Have you seen her, like, teaching people?
- [59:53]
A
Yes.
- [59:54]
B
That's gonna get her on. She's gonna be here the 17 and 18.
- [59:56]
A
You should do like a. You should do like a. Like a vocal lesson or something.
- [59:59]
B
I would love.
- [60:00]
A
Honestly.
- [60:00]
B
Definitely need to. I'm going to Broadway February 3rd.
- [60:03]
A
Oh, my God.
- [60:04]
B
And I need to learn to sing probably before that.
- [60:06]
A
Wait, what are the date. What are the dates of your show?
- [60:08]
B
Just February 3rd. It's just one night of the St. James. I know. It's like the. After the Grammys. Who no one can come, but I know.
- [60:13]
A
I wish you're going to be back.
- [60:14]
B
I need one day.
- [60:15]
A
One day. I'm telling you. No me.
- [60:18]
B
I mean, if that show girls out. I definitely can't be know me. You're definitely going to be the know me.
- [60:21]
A
No, no, no.
- [60:22]
B
But I would love.
- [60:22]
A
We need to re. I think we have to instigate this.
- [60:26]
B
I literally Will my producers like produce like they're producing Romeo and Juliet. Like they produce all the shows. So I'll be like, let's do this, let's do this.
- [60:33]
A
Someone has to.
- [60:34]
B
I feel like Ariana Grande had probably could be in it cuz she loves showgirls too.
- [60:36]
A
We could have her be.
- [60:37]
B
Maybe you guys be Crystal know me and I'll be that one stripper that like.
- [60:40]
A
No, no, no, no.
- [60:41]
B
You know, the boobs come out like. I love that st. She had kind of small boobs for a plus size woman.
- [60:45]
A
It could be like. Yeah, yeah. I mean it could be like a, like a every other night like situation. You guys switch.
- [60:52]
B
Oh yeah, I'll be the understudy.
- [60:54]
A
We could all switch each other. No, we could all. No, we could all. No, I mean like not an understudy. Like you don't know what you're getting. Have they never done that before where like, it's like different.
- [61:02]
B
Well, people probably want to see you and Ariana Grande because did you see the understudy went on for Rachel Zegler and people were giving her because apparently she couldn't sing. Which I was like, they always can sing. But they were like, oh, she like was still on the book and people were, you know, they gave her.
- [61:21]
A
Which is like people are so hard on.
- [61:22]
B
People are so hard. Everyone also like those people perform eight shows a week.
- [61:26]
A
It's like they work no one. Well, I don't want to say this because a lot of people work really hard, but people in theater are built different for rhymes how they do it.
- [61:36]
B
And some of them do the matinees during Christmas time with us on that boulevard. They were doing a 2:00 show, 8:00 show. And Nicole Sherzner just like belting each shop. Like, how are you doing?
- [61:44]
A
Blood and every.
- [61:45]
B
Just a lot. I'm just like, how are they doing it? I know Broadway is crazy.
- [61:49]
A
I would love like that's a dream of mine to do it one day. But I am also scared of the work.
- [61:54]
B
You could easily do it for sure. You've been working since you were literally 11, three.
- [61:58]
A
But the body is. I'm like, I turned 25. And the body slowly.
- [62:01]
B
Your body funniest tea. I know we're not common people's bodies 25. But when I saw you, I was just like, you look like literally like Betty Page. Like just like so cute. I saw you and I was like, oh absolutely. What would be your dream Broadway role? Like fear aside.
- [62:13]
A
Like fear aside. If anything, I mean honestly, probably to do Like a showgirls moment. Like, probably to do. Honestly, I would love to do Chicago, but I would love to do not Roxie Hart. I'm blank thinking Velma. Velma Kelly. I would love to do Velma Kelly.
- [62:30]
B
That Velma's been in there for like 35 years. There's a Velma in there now that's literally been in there for like 40 years. I love it. She's everything. But I was like, damn, she's been in there. And they just rotate the Roxies.
- [62:39]
A
That's crazy.
- [62:40]
B
Yeah, that's crazy. But Showgirls, we have to make this happen. Because honestly, everyone loves showgirls and like.
- [62:45]
A
It had such a cultural rebirth. I feel like, like it would be so. It'd be everything. Someone hit us up, please.
- [62:52]
B
I love that you love that so much. Like, literally, you don't understand. Like, that's my comfort movie. I watch it.
- [62:56]
A
Have they ever done a. Oh, my God, what's the one gonna bother me? Thelma and Louise. Have they ever done, like, musical?
- [63:05]
B
I'm surprised they haven't. I feel like they have also be really cute. Anything with a good IP nowadays, they turn into a musical.
- [63:11]
A
True.
- [63:11]
B
Which I love. I love it. I know people complain about it, but like, mean girls are so good.
- [63:15]
A
True, true. I haven't seen like, I'm trying to think of what the last Broadway thing I, I saw was. I haven't seen. I think maybe it was like Beetlejuice a long time ago. I haven't seen a lot of shows.
- [63:24]
B
Recently that was like, that's actually one of my all time favorite. I know Smash is coming to Broadway. Did you watch the show?
- [63:30]
A
No.
- [63:31]
B
With Katherine McPhee?
- [63:32]
A
No.
- [63:33]
B
So good.
- [63:33]
A
That's fun.
- [63:34]
B
It was all Broadway people and it was, it was the story about like them making a Broadway show about Marilyn Monroe and like they were competing. It was. Oh, you have to watch. It's on, like, I'm sure it's on Hulu or Peacock. It's the best show. There's two seasons. Jeremy Jordan's in it. Christian Borrell, like, it's like an all star cast. Megan Hilty, who's in Death Becomes Her.
- [63:50]
A
Oh, Death Becomes her would be insane also.
- [63:52]
B
Have you seen it?
- [63:53]
A
Yeah, of course.
- [63:54]
B
Have you seen the Broadway version?
- [63:55]
A
No, no.
- [63:56]
B
It's all over TikTok right now. Like, the sounds are so viral.
- [63:59]
A
You gotta get into this.
- [64:00]
B
It's so good. Oh, my God, no. You even love. Okay, anyways, I, I. Broadway is everything and I can see you on there. Showgirls. We're gonna make happen this. Can I. I do think I'm a pretty good manifester, and I feel like if I put that out there, George and Kobe, after this and be like, hey, we need to make this happen.
- [64:13]
A
It could be fierce. I would also. My last one would be because it's my favorite movie of all time and I know you're in Tarantino Girl would be like a Kill Bill, like, Broadway show. That would be insane.
- [64:21]
B
I'm shocked.
- [64:22]
A
That would also go so well. Like, the crazy 8:88 situation. It would be fierce.
- [64:27]
B
Oh, on stage. That would be so amazing.
- [64:30]
A
Like, coming through, like, the audience, like, I could see it. I'm surprised.
- [64:34]
B
They've never done that.
- [64:35]
A
I know, right?
- [64:35]
B
Especially because people love that kind of, like, candy gore.
- [64:38]
A
It's so campy. It's so gore. It's so, like, fierce and glam. The music is so good.
- [64:47]
B
I love. Oh, no, that's from Death Proof. What was Gail built? What's the one they sing? The five, six, seven, eight. I forget, too. It's so good. Now I can't remember. I'm thinking, yeah, all his scores are good, and now I can't think. I haven't watched a Quentin Tarantino movie in probably 10 years. I probably should. I loved it as a kid. Yeah. I love. Maybe. Maybe once. My time in Hollywood was like, the last one I watched. I haven't seen it and, like. But I haven't watched.
- [65:07]
A
Was that the last one? Oh, Kill Bill one and two back to back are like. They're my favorite movies.
- [65:12]
B
You must have been, like, 7 or you didn't see when they came out.
- [65:14]
A
I. Well, I was pretty young when I watched them for the first time.
- [65:17]
B
I was 13 when those came out, and I, like, loved them. I was. So you're watching it at seven years old, maybe?
- [65:22]
A
Pretty close, yeah. My dad loved movies, and so we were always just, like, watching. And he loves Tarantino movies, so that's how I got into.
- [65:29]
B
They're very. Just cinematic. They're just so. They are. Well, the area you live in, he has isn't. Does he own that Vista Theater?
- [65:35]
A
Yes.
- [65:36]
B
Have you ever been there? That's why they did True Romance. They shot True Romance.
- [65:38]
A
Yes. I went recently and saw Anora, which was amazing.
- [65:42]
B
Was it good?
- [65:42]
A
Have you seen Anora?
- [65:43]
B
No, but I love Mikey Madison. I want to see it. That's the one she's in, right?
- [65:45]
A
Yes.
- [65:46]
B
Yes. See, I don't know anything about it, though.
- [65:49]
A
Well, don't. Don't know anything about it. It's so just like, fun and beautiful and.
- [65:53]
B
You saw it at the Vista?
- [65:54]
A
Yeah, I saw it at the Vista. It was really fun.
- [65:56]
B
Is it film? Do they show film? There is a digital.
- [65:59]
A
I don't know, actually. I know they do a lot of film.
- [66:02]
B
Yeah, that's. I haven't seen any of these, like, new movies that are being nominated.
- [66:05]
A
I've seen Baby Girl.
- [66:07]
B
No, we were talking about that too. Is it good to me that you would love it? Wait, really?
- [66:11]
A
I don't know. I want. I would love to know what you think. I was obsessed. I went by myself and saw it the other. Other day.
- [66:16]
B
Wait, what about it?
- [66:18]
A
It is just so fun and, like, empowering. And Harris Dickinson is so hot.
- [66:25]
B
He's the young. So Baby Girl.
- [66:27]
A
He's young and the culture.
- [66:27]
B
Older woman.
- [66:28]
A
Yeah.
- [66:29]
B
Younger man.
- [66:30]
A
Yes. Yes.
- [66:31]
B
She, like, is very, like, in control of her, like, dominant in her, like, professional life and she wants to be dominated in her private life. Is that what I'm getting?
- [66:38]
A
It's it. That is the essence. A little bit. A little bit, yeah.
- [66:42]
B
Is it like 50 shades of gray but it reversed?
- [66:44]
A
I've never seen 50 shades of gray.
- [66:45]
B
It's boring. I watched it for like a half an hour.
- [66:48]
A
I think it's the same vibe of, like, it's horny. You're there to be horny and you're there. So fun.
- [66:56]
B
Like the idol. Like, anything horny I love.
- [66:57]
A
Yeah.
- [66:58]
B
Girls, obviously.
- [66:59]
A
Exactly, exactly. It's like. It's just so much fun. It's so much fun.
- [67:03]
B
Okay, I'm glad you told me that because when you say that I like Bridgerton 2 is also like, makes me horny. Like, those kind of things. I just like, I get excited and I don't get excited by like or anything, you know, so.
- [67:12]
A
No, I need the, like, edging, you know, which. It's very much like an edging.
- [67:16]
B
I did see her as like a dog on all fours on tick tock. And it's kind of like, I don't know about this, but I could watch it.
- [67:20]
A
There's a whole milk situation. Don't know how you feel about that.
- [67:23]
B
Like, drinking milk, pouring milk.
- [67:24]
A
Just milk. It's just milk. I just can't give it away.
- [67:27]
B
Sexy now. Like fellow travelers, too. They had a whole, like, milk, drink your milk. Like the wavy shirts Jonathan Bailey made famous. I used to have it in like, three of my songs. There's, like, lyrics like, I'll drink your milk. Like, I love the idea that sexy. Yeah, milk is sexy.
- [67:39]
A
Well, because it's. It's like freaky. It's like, weird.
- [67:41]
B
It's like countless put it all over me.
- [67:44]
A
Yeah. I mean, yeah. Even if it's almond milk. I'm like, it's creamy, it's white.
- [67:49]
B
Almond milk is freaky because it, like, doesn't expire for months. I was like, I don't know if I want that in my cereal.
- [67:56]
A
True, true. I do love almond milk.
- [67:59]
B
Wait, why do you love almond milk if you eat, like, steak and stuff?
- [68:02]
A
I love it all. I love it all. Like, I taste. Yeah. Well, I don't drink coffee. I don't like the taste of coffee.
- [68:08]
B
Not even, like, Frappuccino?
- [68:11]
A
Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, I like the Frappuccino. Yeah, I love Frappuccino. Love, like an espresso martini. Love tiramisu.
- [68:19]
B
But the cake.
- [68:20]
A
Yeah, that's a coffee.
- [68:21]
B
It's a coffee that is. I don't really consider it coffee, but. Yeah, you're right. You're right.
- [68:25]
A
I like the flavor of it, but I don't love, like, a cup of coffee.
- [68:30]
B
Yeah, black coffee. Or black is not my thing either. Yeah.
- [68:33]
A
But I love tea. And so I got really into, like, Earl Grey with almond milk for whatever reason.
- [68:39]
B
Oh, interesting. Almond milk.
- [68:40]
A
I don't know why. There's something about, like, the flavor of it that I like the best, but I'll. I'll take it with anything. Yeah, yeah, it's thicker. It's also like, I guess if I'm singing, like, no dairy is better.
- [68:52]
B
Oh, you know, people do say that. And I always drink so much milk. Well, I'm not really a trained singer, but I love drinking, like, a big glass of milk. Like skim milk.
- [68:59]
A
Get Yaya in here and she'll tell you all about. About it.
- [69:02]
B
Maybe I'll hit her. That's so funny you said that. Cuz I like. I know her, but is it niche? Is it. I guess it doesn't matter.
- [69:06]
A
It's having a moment. For sure.
- [69:08]
B
Having a moment. Okay. Getting on the podcast, you've convinced me. A free. Anyone who wants to sing here, I'm always down. You know what I mean?
- [69:14]
A
I. I bet she would. I bet she would.
- [69:16]
B
She's not in la, but I know she's gonna be here for a couple days, so I'm gonna.
- [69:20]
A
I love that she reached out. That's so.
- [69:21]
B
Yeah, I like her manager too. And I was like, okay, this maybe is meant to be.
- [69:25]
A
You know, she's locked in. Yes, she's locked in. Anybody.
- [69:28]
B
I just love. I love great singers too. Like, anyone who sings. I'm always Just because that's like the one, like, talent where I wish I was like a singer. Singer, you know, just like perfect pitch.
- [69:36]
A
And like, I mean, it could come. It can come. People say that a long time on my voice. And you train? Yeah, yeah, I've gone in and out, but I've spent a lot of time in like, vocal lessons and just like, also, even just with like, people I've, like, written with and recorded with who've taught me a lot about, like, vocal technique and finding. Because a lot of it isn't even about technique. It's just about finding, like a sound, you know, but you have to hear it, right?
- [70:02]
B
You have to hear, like pitch and.
- [70:03]
A
Keys and all that stuff.
- [70:04]
B
Yes, that's, I think, natural.
- [70:06]
A
Well, I feel like you could train it.
- [70:08]
B
Well, we'll see. I have three weeks to learn things. I'm so excited, which is like, terrifying and all of that. But your new album, we haven't even talked about. You have dune so much and here we are just talking about your favorite milk. Boom. Milk, which is all the great stuff, to be honest. Salvation comes out. Is it January 24th?
- [70:28]
A
Yes.
- [70:34]
B
Oh, my God, that's so soon. Are you doing like a bunch of like, press right now for it?
- [70:38]
A
I am. I am just like starting. Well, it was kind of weird with the holidays, but we're back.
- [70:42]
B
We're back. And are you. You have a team reaching out to people or are you reaching out to people?
- [70:47]
A
It's honestly, it's like a kind of a mix. Like, I feel. I felt really lucky this time that, like, some of my favorite people have, like, you. I think I'm gonna do something with Trixie in a second. Like, that's. That, that's so fun for me. I'm so excited.
- [70:59]
B
I've been damning Trixie non stop for years. She's iconic. No, that's the biggest. If you do that. That's.
- [71:04]
A
Has she ever done this?
- [71:05]
B
I'm like, no, I think she's just way too famous, which I totally respect.
- [71:09]
A
No, no, no, no.
- [71:10]
B
Everything. That's gonna be crazy. That would be huge if you do that. Oh, my God.
- [71:14]
A
You and Tri and Trish, you and Trixie would be like also the Trit and the Trit like that. So Barb and Hunter Timer, we are very.
- [71:22]
B
I did meet her one time and she was very, very sweet. But that was 2018. I think that was before. She's like literally a superstar right now. That's.
- [71:29]
A
She is. So I've been like, having fun. I was so, like, happy that I got to do something with Drew. Yeah.
- [71:35]
B
That was such a good interview, but it's such a.
- [71:37]
A
Such a mix of. Of everything, you know, so.
- [71:39]
B
And are you still doing, like, because you were on. Like, were you on the Tonight show years ago? So do you have. Why did you get on there? Because, like, you are so, like, your moment is now. You have the new album.
- [71:49]
A
If only they'd have me on.
- [71:50]
B
I feel like I'm not even saying this in any way, but they have. They have, like, very. Just every. They can have a lot of people on.
- [71:55]
A
They do. They do. I mean, the traditional world. I don't understand. Like, the traditional world. I don't. I don't know.
- [72:01]
B
How did you get on it the first time?
- [72:04]
A
That's a great question. Like, I think they reached out. I think they reached out. It was Jay Leno back in the day, and it was, wow.
- [72:12]
B
All the tonight's shows are J mail. I love him.
- [72:14]
A
He was really sweet. He gave me a Sephora gift card for coming on the show. It was really nice.
- [72:18]
B
Give me some cash.
- [72:20]
A
I was so happy. I was like, okay, go get my naked whatever eye palette.
- [72:26]
B
That's a artifact too, now.
- [72:28]
A
Yes.
- [72:29]
B
They just relaunched. That's how old it is. It's like. Yeah, they just rebranded it.
- [72:32]
A
I mean, it was good.
- [72:33]
B
And are you gonna do more festivals this year?
- [72:36]
A
I think so. I think so. We're, like, putting together the year. I have a tour in March where I'm gonna do, like, my own. You should come March 4th.
- [72:42]
B
It starts March 4th. Is it sold out? It's, like, half sold out already.
- [72:44]
A
Yeah, it's doing. It's.
- [72:45]
B
That's amazing. I saw that. The Salvation tour, and I was just like, how are. He's already half sold out. That's.
- [72:49]
A
It was. That was really, like, surprising and. And fun.
- [72:53]
B
Are you gonna be in la?
- [72:54]
A
Yeah, we're doing the El Rey.
- [72:58]
B
Love.
- [72:59]
A
It would be so fun.
- [73:00]
B
Are you doing a bus tour?
- [73:01]
A
I don't know yet. I was actually talking about that. I've never done that for myself. It's coming quick. We are trying to figure it out, but I don't know. I mean, that's always so, like, glam and fun, but I've been. Not for myself. I, like, did, like, some, like, of those, like, kind of YouTube tours that were put on by other people. That's a whole different thing.
- [73:22]
B
Lesbian one, right? Is there. Was there a lesbian and, like, the lesbians and I loved it. There was.
- [73:31]
A
There was a tour that I did called Love is Love, which was like, at the time, I don't know why I was on it because I was not. Like, it was with a lesbian named Shannon and then this, like, very popular trans creator, Miles McKenna. And I was just the ally. I think I was on it because I was bullied. Like, they were like, love is love. Sorry to spat, but I was a proud ally because I thought. I didn't even know my own sexuality at the time.
- [73:58]
B
Maybe they knew. Maybe they had. They did know.
- [74:01]
A
Planted it. They planted it and that was.
- [74:05]
B
Yeah, they probably. I feel like Friday is definitely, like, a gay anthem. For sure. The gays probably lived.
- [74:10]
A
It has. It has, like, definitely earned a status, which I love so much.
- [74:15]
B
So they. So that's cool. So you went on, like, this, like, Love is Love tour just as the ally back then.
- [74:20]
A
Yes.
- [74:20]
B
That's the ultimate. I wish I would be invited on, like, a gay tour.
- [74:23]
A
Just. I come on my tour anytime. Because now that's a gay tour, let me tell you. Is it? Yes. We've got, like, dancers with boobs, and I do, like, fake boobs. We've got, like, rhinestone chainsaw planning out all the, like, surprises. Oh, yeah.
- [74:35]
B
So it's like, production.
- [74:37]
A
It's. It's like a. It's a. It's a fun. It's fun thing. I'm like a theater kid, you know?
- [74:42]
B
Yeah. Like, I have to do a full show. Are you with a label right now?
- [74:44]
A
No, I'm independent.
- [74:45]
B
So are you doing this yourself?
- [74:47]
A
Yeah.
- [74:47]
B
Wow.
- [74:48]
A
Yeah.
- [74:49]
B
That's no easy feat to have all that production.
- [74:51]
A
It's intense.
- [74:52]
B
Wait, so you're doing it? That's so fun. Cause I was watching your shows from last year. Like, the one you did over in. It was. England was huge. It was like 30 minutes.
- [74:59]
A
Mighty hoopla. You would eat Mighty hoopla. They would love you.
- [75:02]
B
I could never do what you're doing. You're on stage actually, like, insane to watch.
- [75:05]
A
Thank you.
- [75:06]
B
I kind of just, like, strut around, like, kind of get out of breath. But you were, like, crushing. Like, it's actually. And it's cute. All the outfits you wear. You really do wear, like, those little short skirts, and you're just, like, very out there. And I, like, love. I didn't know that about you. Like, this performance part, it's.
- [75:19]
A
It's, like, been something that. For so long. I honestly had a lot of stage fright after Friday, so it's been like, a muscle I've built back and. But now I. I feel like I've found, like, my thing. And building the show was like, my Favorite thing to do.
- [75:32]
B
And you're doing it yourself.
- [75:33]
A
Yeah, I. I work with a choreographer. His name is Richie Jackson. He actually did Jojo Siwak Karma and like, all of the Gaga stuff for years.
- [75:42]
B
Does he work with Trevi Moran?
- [75:44]
A
I actually don't know.
- [75:45]
B
Okay. I. Why do I think Trevi worked with, like, Lady Gaga's choreographer one?
- [75:48]
A
Maybe, Maybe, maybe. I. Again, I have terrible memory, and I love Trevi.
- [75:53]
B
She's queen.
- [75:54]
A
She is. She's gorgeous.
- [75:56]
B
No, like, stunning, Insane.
- [75:58]
A
I saw her for the first time in person in a few years the other day, and I was just like, literally, I think there's a photo of me, like, holding her face.
- [76:03]
B
Oh. Literally the most gorgeous, the most beautiful voice, like, such an icon.
- [76:08]
A
Yeah, it's awesome.
- [76:08]
B
Also, since 12. Just, like.
- [76:10]
A
True. Yeah, true. But, yeah, so I like. I have, like, several people who help me kind of, like, put it all together and come up with all the ideas.
- [76:18]
B
No director, though.
- [76:20]
A
Not for. Not for touring. But I'm actually shooting a music video this weekend, and that's like, we've got, like, a director I really love.
- [76:28]
B
Is this the first single off Salvation?
- [76:30]
A
No. Was Trust. Trust was the first single.
- [76:33]
B
I love that music video.
- [76:34]
A
Thank you.
- [76:34]
B
That was, like, budget not to be.
- [76:36]
A
About money, let me tell you. It was not what it looked like.
- [76:39]
B
Really?
- [76:39]
A
It was not what it looked like.
- [76:41]
B
Well, you're a thrifter, so you're probably good at, like, getting those deals.
- [76:43]
A
We. It was all hands on deck on that video. And I. I have to say, like, the director, Olivia, who I've worked with now a couple times, like, is just her and everyone she brings on, like, she is incredible, and they just make.
- [76:56]
B
It happen for, like, a budget.
- [76:59]
A
A budget. Favors were pulled. I think, like, the limo we had was, like, taken from a Wiz Khalifa video they shot the day before. I don't know if I'm supposed to say that, boy. But, like, they were, like, just using what we could. Cause it really is, like, you know, an independent moment.
- [77:13]
B
It looked so production. How many days did you do? One.
- [77:15]
A
One, One.
- [77:16]
B
Wow.
- [77:17]
A
It was intense.
- [77:18]
B
So Trust came out. So that's gonna be on this new album?
- [77:20]
A
Yes.
- [77:20]
B
And then once the music video you're.
- [77:21]
A
Shooting, it's for the title track, Salvation.
- [77:24]
B
And what is. Okay, Salvation sounds so holy. Is that what it is? Is like a. Is it like a gospel album? The rb, the rebrand. The RB of the rb?
- [77:37]
A
No, it's. So the song's called Salvation, and I wrote the song in London, like, almost a couple years ago now. And I was really drawn to the word. And I, I grew up like very non religious. Both, both my parents came from like quite Catholic families. But like I never really knew church in my life growing up or anything like that. But I've always, always been like fascinated by like religious symbolism. And then also I think I've had just like an interesting relationship with trusting everyone else in my life to like tell me where to go or what to do and not myself and salvation. The song, the whole like premise of it is like, I don't need you to save me. I've already saved myself. Like I'm liberated. It's about like just queerness and, and like being disgusting and allowing people to like. It's really about, just about trusting your own journey, like no matter who else gets it.
- [78:31]
B
Yeah, I love the being disgusting part.
- [78:33]
A
There's a fun, there's a fun lyric about being disgusting. I'll stay hot and you stay judgy.
- [78:38]
B
It's like the vibe love. No, your music is so good because like what's other one? Is it sugar water?
- [78:45]
A
Yes.
- [78:45]
B
That one is so like. I don't even know what you're saying, but it's so like good. I would just like, wait, this is such a bop. How did people sleep on it? Like, I feel like it was good. People liked it. But I was like, how did that not become like she was for.
- [78:57]
A
She was for like the club kids. Like that's so good. That's the thing. That was a song that is like my like bread and butter. But I love making songs that like are, you know, kind of the bigger pop songs and, and throwing in like the like hard, you know, niche, niche bangers in there.
- [79:13]
B
Would you ever go on a tour with somebody again like you did the Love is Love tour Tour? What? Who else do you work for? Someone big.
- [79:19]
A
Wait, I haven't, but I would love to.
- [79:21]
B
No, there was someone big and you were like one of like five people that like opened up.
- [79:25]
A
Oh, I did, I did BST Hyde park, which is like a big UK festival for blackpink.
- [79:30]
B
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, wait, that's humongous.
- [79:31]
A
That was fun. Yeah. And Sabrina Carpenter was on that right before she. That was sick. That was cool.
- [79:36]
B
That was just. Was it just last year or was it the year before?
- [79:38]
A
Yeah, I think that was last year.
- [79:39]
B
That's wild.
- [79:40]
A
It was crazy. That was crazy and like last minute and so fun. I would love to open up and do like a tour for somebody who.
- [79:48]
B
Was like your dream one because like, you know, Katy Perry. She's going on tour. Maybe.
- [79:51]
A
But I would eat that up. I would love to do that.
- [79:53]
B
You guys should do Friday again.
- [79:54]
A
Just, like, honestly, we can do a Friday, last Friday night mix into the show.
- [79:58]
B
Has you ever done a mashup of that? Because that's everything.
- [80:01]
A
I think so. It would be everything.
- [80:04]
B
How old were you when you did the music video?
- [80:05]
A
It was right after Friday. Literally, like, a month after Friday went viral.
- [80:09]
B
So that's pretty cool.
- [80:10]
A
It was that. That was an also. Just like, she was really. Really took so much time, like, to be with me and talk to me, and she didn't need to do that. Like, she was so busy.
- [80:20]
B
You were the girl. I would have done anything to have collabed with you. I'd been like, gosh, I wish I was.
- [80:23]
A
Oh, my God, you should have hit me up. Like, that's crazy. I wanted to be you.
- [80:29]
B
I was so excited. I was so. I was so excited. You were the first person to have, like, a viral hit like that, and I was just like, that's so cool. Like, I want to be able to do that. It's cool. And, like, whatever. People can say whatever about it, but you at the day were, like, the most famous person.
- [80:40]
A
You are all the validation I will ever need. No, I would love to do something with her or, like, Gaga.
- [80:46]
B
Is she coming back with music this year?
- [80:48]
A
She's supposed to drop an album, LG7. Oh.
- [80:51]
B
I always thought there was, like, a phone because I always heard people saying it. I was like, it sounds like LG7.
- [80:56]
A
Like, the seventh album. Yeah.
- [80:58]
B
Oh, yeah. When's that happening?
- [81:00]
A
I don't think she's announced it, but.
- [81:02]
B
She'S gonna drop it one time.
- [81:04]
A
She dropped a song at the end of the year and then now. But she also has the other big song with Bruno Mars from the Joker. No, it's not the Joker, weirdly.
- [81:11]
B
Oh, there's another one they did.
- [81:12]
A
Yeah. You haven't heard, like, if the world was.
- [81:15]
B
Oh, yeah. Why do you think it was from? Are they wearing blue outfits?
- [81:18]
A
It's giving Joker, but it's not Joker.
- [81:20]
B
Okay. Guess I have heard that song everywhere.
- [81:23]
A
So I guess that's kind of having its moment. So maybe they'll wait until that's done.
- [81:26]
B
She's such an icon too.
- [81:28]
A
She really is.
- [81:28]
B
That'd be cool if you went on tour with her.
- [81:30]
A
I would love to.
- [81:31]
B
I see that happening for sure. Like, I do feel like you will because your music is so good, and I just feel like people know it's good, but I Don't know why. I don't know why. You haven't had your Sabrina moment where you're just like, literally everywhere.
- [81:42]
A
I just do my thing. I just happen. I honestly, like, I feel so lucky. There was a time in my career where, like, I could not sell, like, eight tickets to a show. Literally. Now you're selling and, like, I just feel so lucky that, you know, I can put things out and sell them out. I have so much fun at the show. So cool.
- [81:58]
B
What do you think? Or has it always been there? Cause you said there was a time where you couldn't sell eight shows. What do you think is, like, the resurgence of Rebecca Black? Because you kind of are everywhere now. You are selling out shows. What was it? What was the turn?
- [82:08]
A
I think I just really learned to trust myself for the first time and, like, do what I wanted. I think for so long. I remember having, like, conversations back in the day with people I was working with or, you know, teams and managers and things like that and saying, like, my dreams and my goals and this is the kind of music I want to make. And for some reason, I think because I was so young, I was, like, 19 or whatever, I just didn't know how to do it myself or, like, didn't know how to find people that would be like, oh, you have that idea? Like, yes, let's go. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, honestly, throughout the years, it's been learning how to trust myself and also, like, work with people who like what I like, you know, and. Yeah. And who trust me, you know, that's been a huge, huge piece of it. Like, the people I work with now don't give me a lot of creative, you know, what's the word I'm looking for? Advice. Like, it's me and my people. Yeah.
- [83:04]
B
They're like, whatever you wanna do.
- [83:05]
A
Yeah. And even if they don't get it, they're like, let's go. That's sick.
- [83:08]
B
That's the best. I know. Cause when people don't get it and you're just like. But that's the whole point, right, Is. Cause it's like something new and something different.
- [83:14]
A
Exactly.
- [83:14]
B
Let's try it.
- [83:15]
A
Exactly, exactly. And like, you just never. I have to trust that. Like, I know my people. Like, I know my audience.
- [83:21]
B
And, you know, and they are eating it up. The DJ sets, where did that come from? The DJing.
- [83:25]
A
I started DJing, like, six years ago and just have been doing it ever since.
- [83:30]
B
So wild. Because New year's Eve, you DJed.
- [83:32]
A
Yeah, I did. Cincinnati.
- [83:34]
B
Wait. Shout Out Cincinnati. Love, Ohio.
- [83:37]
A
Hard Rock Casino. It was fierce.
- [83:39]
B
Oh, my God. That's so cool.
- [83:41]
A
It was fun. It was. It was a. It was a. A fun, kind of random one, but I. I had a lot of fun. And, yeah, I've been DJing, like, all around LA in just, like, clubs and stuff like that, honestly, for, like, a better part of almost six years.
- [83:52]
B
What do you like more? Or does it not compare Hair?
- [83:55]
A
Honestly, it's just different. Like, when I dj, I feel like that's just, like, me, like, going out. Like, it's Rebecca doing her thing. And, like, I play music that I like and I love. It feels like I'm, like, throwing a party, but with, like, my show or videos. That's so planned out to the te and rehearsed and, like, I know exactly what to expect. There's, like, a performance. Like, it's just a different. Different part of things.
- [84:23]
B
Like your drag.
- [84:24]
A
It's my drag.
- [84:25]
B
Yeah.
- [84:25]
A
Yeah. DJing me is definitely me. Like, out of drag. Like, I show up in jeans.
- [84:29]
B
Do you really?
- [84:30]
A
Yeah, because it's comfortable. Otherwise, I'm like. I just want to be like, you know, I want my phone with me.
- [84:35]
B
Wait, what if you had, like. Do you ever have, like, a bad night where, like, you, like, you're playing, like, Dear Evan Hansen or something? I was like, boo. Because that's where I play.
- [84:42]
A
You need to start playing Dear Evan Hansen.
- [84:44]
B
I would play it.
- [84:45]
A
I don't know if I've ever had. I mean, I've definitely had some, like, technical hiccups for sure, where all of a sudden I'll be, like, ready to, like, transition to the next song, and I do it and like, oh, I forgot to, like, hit something. So it's silent for a second, you know, And I'll be like, sorry.
- [85:00]
B
People don't care.
- [85:01]
A
People are usually a little drunk or a little, you know, so you can be a little loose, which is fun.
- [85:07]
B
But that. Okay, so nothing where people are, like, this song sucks or something.
- [85:10]
A
Well, if they have, I haven't heard it.
- [85:12]
B
That's pretty good, because that's so much pressure. I can never be a DJ for that reason. Like what? I don't know. Like, what do you mean? You know what everybody wants to hear. That's so hard.
- [85:20]
A
You don't. And that's. That's the thing, though, is you can kind of, if you play something. So maybe you, like, play something and people are, like, really going and singing. Like, you know, you can play Chapel Roan anywhere, and the girls will die.
- [85:30]
B
Yes.
- [85:31]
A
And that I Love that about her. But I, I've sometimes like had like a big moment and I'll be like, oh, they're gonna love this one. And then it's just a little more dead than you think. You're like, the bodies aren't really moving. But luckily. Okay, well let's just switch it. Let's just go back more chapel.
- [85:46]
B
Like go back to Peakboard Club every time. That's so funny.
- [85:51]
A
And so that's what I like about DJing is it keeps me on my toes. Whereas like my show, like, you're in for the ride I'm giving you, you have no option.
- [85:58]
B
It's a Rebecca Black show.
- [85:59]
A
Yeah.
- [86:00]
B
Are you singing live?
- [86:01]
A
Yeah, yeah, of course, 100%.
- [86:03]
B
Yeah.
- [86:04]
A
I use some track like to lift.
- [86:06]
B
It up because I'm dancing, but of course, but everyone.
- [86:08]
A
I'm always singing live. Yeah, lip syncing is hard.
- [86:11]
B
Hard. Yeah. I never like fully lip sync, but I love to sing with a little track, you know, little backup.
- [86:15]
A
Something every, most people do because it also helps like the balance. Especially if you're using tracks and not other live instruments, you know.
- [86:24]
B
Are you doing the in ears? Oh yeah, I try to use them and I'm like, I can't.
- [86:27]
A
They're hard.
- [86:28]
B
They're so hard. And you only hear yourself. And I'm like, oh, that's scary. I guess if you have like perfect pitch, you want to hear yourself.
- [86:33]
A
Me.
- [86:33]
B
I'm like, oh, I don't want to hear me. Let me take me out.
- [86:35]
A
Totally, totally. I know, I. What I have a hard time with is I feel, you know, you can't hear the audience really. So you're like, I don't know if you like this, but you can get like crowd mics and things like that. You just gotta get like a good monitors engineer. That'll kind of balance you out.
- [86:55]
B
But what about like changing costumes?
- [86:57]
A
I've never done costume changes, actually I just done one. But I'm trying to do some changes this year.
- [87:03]
B
Sounded complicated when I was like doing them, I was like, I don't know how this pack is gonna like get off with me and everything. Yeah, people do it. Britney Spears do it.
- [87:09]
A
They do it.
- [87:10]
B
They look cool in ears.
- [87:11]
A
Look cool. Like they look cool. They can make your ears kind of sore though. I found for the whole show too long.
- [87:16]
B
And how long is your show is like a 90 minute show?
- [87:18]
A
It's like 70 minutes, I think is.
- [87:21]
B
And you're on stage the whole time. Cuz you don't change outfits.
- [87:23]
A
I have been. I have been. Which this, this year is the year that I'm like, okay, I got to not do that anymore. Cuz I've had some close calls for sure.
- [87:31]
B
What do you mean, like, falling over or what?
- [87:32]
A
Just like getting to the point where I'm like, all right, my voice is tired, I'm tired. I, I, I should like. Cause I'm really bad at taking time to drink water or fan off or something like that. I'm just in and I want people to be happy.
- [87:46]
B
Chug that water.
- [87:47]
A
Yeah.
- [87:47]
B
Are you doing covers?
- [87:49]
A
I have done covers. Yeah.
- [87:50]
B
Are you gonna do any in this tour?
- [87:51]
A
I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
- [87:53]
B
Okay, so you haven't fully even put it together yet. You're like, it's in the process.
- [87:56]
A
It's in the process. By the end of this month, we'll be locked in and you're gonna do Friday. Always do Friday.
- [88:02]
B
I love. Do you end it with Friday or do you like have it at the beginning?
- [88:05]
A
It's been like one of the encores for a while. But I don't know, I, I want to do something different this year and I have some ideas because I like to change it up. Like I've done like ballad versions of it before. I've done like, you know, I've done crazy versions of it where it's super fast and remixed.
- [88:21]
B
That's so fun. Or you should like Britney Spears used to do, she did like a cabaret version of Baby One More Time. Baby. Cabaret Friday would be so fierce, so good. And I love, and it's so.
- [88:32]
A
I'll credit you if I do that.
- [88:34]
B
Oh, I think that would be so amazing. Do like a little burlesque now out there, like to Friday, you're hired. No matter what, that song is always gonna be so iconic. You always have like this moment in history. It's like literally it's what, 14 years ago and people are still like every interview. Do people wanna ask you about it and talk about it? People wanna hear you sing it and play it. And that's just so cool to have that like hit song forever.
- [88:57]
A
You know, I've grown to really. There was a long time where I like would cringe at anyone that brought it up, but now I, yeah, it's like it's my baby.
- [89:06]
B
Yeah. You know, iconic. It's so cool.
- [89:08]
A
You and sigh. Remember Psy gone King Where's.
- [89:12]
B
Yeah, I loved him.
- [89:13]
A
I don't know.
- [89:13]
B
He tried to do follow up songs and they just like weren't as good. But you can't, you can't follow up.
- [89:17]
A
Something you also just can't. Like, you can't plan for it, you know, is what I like. A lot of people have been like, maybe this will be the next thing, or, how do we, like, recreate this moment? I'm like, girl, you can't.
- [89:28]
B
You can't. You literally can't. I tried. I try to do viral stuff all the time. Like, you cannot do it. Do you remember Bart Baker?
- [89:34]
A
Yes, I do.
- [89:35]
B
And did he. Did he do. Were you in his. Or did he just parody?
- [89:38]
A
He did a. I mixed some of them up.
- [89:42]
B
I know.
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A
Yeah, I did a parody. At least he did a parody, for sure. I think we might have met years kind of down the line.
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B
But you never were in his.
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A
No, no, I don't think so.
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B
I remember him doing one and for some reason, like, had, like, devil ears. Like, he was playing you.
- [89:54]
A
There was. There were some. Some intense ones, for sure.
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B
People were so. And you're like a child. And people were being so hardcore. And I was like.
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A
It was hardcore for sure.
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B
Like, people were so, like, nasty and weird. And then the whole sexual relation thing is a whole other thing. But it's so. I think he's in China being a pop star or something now.
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A
Go off, Queen.
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B
Like, where'd Bart Baker go? Or Dave Days. You did a video?
- [90:16]
A
Yes.
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B
Is he around still?
- [90:17]
A
I haven't talked to Dave in a long, long time.
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B
He's very Venetian princess era. Like, they were very.
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A
I was also obsessed with him.
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B
Oh, you did?
- [90:25]
A
Oh, my. Yeah, I was just like.
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B
I was like, I don't know, Saturday together. Which is like, I guess you were a fan. So that's how he convinced you. Because I was like, wait, if you hated Friday, why the hell would you do Saturday?
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A
Well, that was like a real. That was like a reclamation of it. Of, like, let me. Let me do it my way. And that. That was fun. Like, Saturday, we, like, row over, like, literally, I think, in 30 minutes. And the video was like, me and all my friends and, like, that was very fun.
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B
You don't regret that one?
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A
No, I don't regret anything. I don't regret Friday either.
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B
You said you don't. And everyone here out asking you about Sunday, but I think you did one about, like. But turn it into, like, espresso, like a hot fudge sundae. You know what I mean?
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A
But then they'd be like, the Sabrina allegations would be fierce. Like, I'm. She's got espresso, you know? Yeah.
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B
But Sunday is like, ooh, I got my cherries and my hot Fudge dripping.
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A
Oh, like ice cream. Yeah.
- [91:15]
B
And. But. But it's the pun. It's like you do Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
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A
Okay.
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B
I love my Sunday.
- [91:20]
A
I think think you have to be my creative director genius.
- [91:24]
B
I saw something where you're like, I hate when people ask me about Sunday, but I'm like, wait, but that would be. So you would, like, eat it.
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A
I'll take it.
- [91:29]
B
And then you could, like, have your Sunday in Baskin Robbins.
- [91:31]
A
And maybe there's a Baskin Robbins, like, brand deal down the line.
- [91:36]
B
That would be everything for you.
- [91:37]
A
And I would. I would take that. I would take that for sure.
- [91:40]
B
I feel like you would be a great brand deal queen. Just in general, like, Fridays should have had you for the Friday song. Like.
- [91:45]
A
Yes, yes, I know. We never did. We never did anything. Anything there.
- [91:49]
B
They close up shop everywhere, right? Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah.
- [91:54]
A
One time I choked on a monster. I'll still go to TJ Friday, so.
- [91:56]
B
Really?
- [91:57]
A
Yeah.
- [91:57]
B
Did you ever eat one again?
- [91:58]
A
No, haven't been back since.
- [92:01]
B
I love mozzarella sticks.
- [92:02]
A
Yeah, I do, too.
- [92:03]
B
So good.
- [92:04]
A
I love the Chili's. Yeah.
- [92:07]
B
Have you had the Nashville hot one? Those are wild.
- [92:10]
A
They're ins. I love them.
- [92:12]
B
Would you ever write a song in hopes they would pick it up?
- [92:15]
A
Do you know what I mean? Like chilies.
- [92:16]
B
Yeah. Do you remember their song back in the day?
- [92:18]
A
No.
- [92:19]
B
It's like, I love my chilies. It's like, baby Back, baby back, Baby back, baby, baby back ribs. You don't remember Barbecue Sauce? It was such a good song.
- [92:28]
A
No, I don't.
- [92:29]
B
You should write the new chili song. Or Folgers had such a hit.
- [92:32]
A
I would totally do a theme. I would do a theme, for sure.
- [92:35]
B
Like, you should just put it out there. Something you, like, love, and then they just, like, pick it up. Like, actually, we'll, like, do it, like, number one jingles.
- [92:41]
A
Just gotta start.
- [92:42]
B
That's where the money is.
- [92:42]
A
I'm trying to think of what would be my. My, like, dream brand. I'm like, a huge Olive Garden girl, so I would love, like, an Olive Garden or Arby's. I feel like I should do Arby's.
- [92:51]
B
But you don't love Arby's. I feel you love Olive Garden.
- [92:53]
A
True, true. Yeah, true.
- [92:55]
B
But Arby's is your initial.
- [92:56]
A
Yeah. It's just priorities, I guess. I don't know. Creative differences, but yeah.
- [93:02]
B
I can't wait for your tour. I can't wait for your new music video, because music videos are my favorite thing in the whole world. And you you really do eat on your videos like they are.
- [93:10]
A
So you.
- [93:12]
B
And how long does your tour?
- [93:14]
A
It's like a month, but then we'll do some more over the summer, back to back.
- [93:18]
B
You're going then?
- [93:19]
A
Yeah, we're going to do like US and UK all in one.
- [93:21]
B
Wow. Or international is wild.
- [93:24]
A
It's crazy.
- [93:25]
B
How do you like, how do you get over? You have a promoter over there, then.
- [93:27]
A
You have to get a separate agent that does international and does have a.
- [93:31]
B
Huge fan base over there. Cuz that's wild.
- [93:33]
A
I. I've definitely built one in, in the UK and I've like, I've played Berlin before which is crazy. So fun.
- [93:40]
B
Oh my God. Wait, really?
- [93:41]
A
Yeah.
- [93:41]
B
The Germans love you.
- [93:42]
A
The Germans. I love Germany. Love Germany.
- [93:44]
B
Have you ever learned to speak it while you're over there?
- [93:47]
A
I got sick when I was there and so I needed to speak it to learn how to get medicine. What did you say? Could not tell you what I said.
- [93:56]
B
Would you just look it up? Like chat GPT or what?
- [93:58]
A
It was definitely Google Translate and it was the first because like my. So my mom's from Mexico City, so. So I speak some Spanish. Speak a little French. It's the first language I like did not know anything. So it was, it was rough.
- [94:10]
B
It's very different than French and Spanish.
- [94:11]
A
Very different. But fun. Fun to speak, fun to look at.
- [94:15]
B
Oh, wait, so your mom. Okay, so your mom first generation? Yes. Okay. Mexican immigrant?
- [94:20]
A
Yes.
- [94:21]
B
Your dad is white?
- [94:23]
A
White guy, mix of everything from Iowa. Yeah, yeah, he's white.
- [94:27]
B
So is it like, was it Polish? I was like reading your background. Is it like Polish, just everything?
- [94:31]
A
Yes, Polish and English. But I. That's like. I don't even know when that was.
- [94:35]
B
You know, I know when people ask me, I'm so. I don't know. I don't know. I did my ancestry and then I got lost in the mail and I have no idea what I am. Yeah, I would always just assume I was just like, oh, I'm probably like white. But I don't know, maybe I'm not. I have no idea.
- [94:45]
A
I don't know. I could see you having some. Some like I feel like it cuz.
- [94:50]
B
Like my parents don't even really know. They're kind of like, I don't know. We're in Europe.
- [94:53]
A
Your dad is from Illinois. And where was your mom?
- [94:55]
B
He's Ohio. My mom Dillon way.
- [94:57]
A
Oh, okay.
- [94:58]
B
So Midwest.
- [94:59]
A
Wow.
- [94:59]
B
Yeah, but we don't know anything about.
- [95:01]
A
Yeah, you should do that. I've never done that thing before. But I. I want to, like 23andMe or. Yeah, I'm just scared of giving my DNA away.
- [95:09]
B
It is very scary. But I feel like they probably have everything else on us now with I.
- [95:13]
A
It's so true.
- [95:14]
B
You know, the eye prints and the fingerprints and all that stuff.
- [95:16]
A
They really do. They really do.
- [95:17]
B
Aliens coming for us.
- [95:19]
A
True.
- [95:19]
B
2023. You have Rebecca Black in the aliens and Salvation down. Well, there's still some cities left, right, that you can get tickets for.
- [95:27]
A
Yes.
- [95:27]
B
Okay, so go to. Is it Salvation Ticket master?
- [95:31]
A
I think it's. I don't know. Go to my Instagram and the link is there.
- [95:35]
B
Me, Instagram is popping. Thank you so much for being here. This was, like, such a highlight for me and it just feels like YouTube royalty sitting next to me.
- [95:44]
A
No, literally, same.
- [95:46]
B
Thank you.
- [95:46]
A
Just so lucky to. To be here. Thank you for having me.
- [95:48]
B
Check out Rebecca Black everywhere. I can't wait to see all the stuff you're going to do for this album. I'm so excited. I'm so honored that this is one of your first stops. And yeah, check out Rebecca Black everywhere. And hopefully we'll be on Broadway soon starring in Showgirls.
- [95:59]
A
Showgirls. See us soon.
- [96:01]
B
Bye.