Tana VS Shane Dawson, Nicolandria BREAK UP + David Dobrik ENDINGS | Just Trish Ep. 297

Summary

Just Trish Episode 297 Summary

Title: Tana VS Shane Dawson, Nicolandria BREAK UP + David Dobrik ENDINGS
Release Date: July 28, 2026
Host: Trisha Paytas
Co-Host: Farai Bennett (filling in for Oscar Gracey)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Just Trish is a fast-paced, gossip-packed ride through current (and legendary) pop culture drama. With co-host Oscar away at Comic-Con, Trisha is joined by TikTok pop culture sensation and journalist Farai Bennett. Their rapport is casual, unfiltered, and full of pop culture deep-dives, influencer tea, reality TV breakdowns, and brutally honest (often hilarious) takes on the state of the internet and celeb culture. Topics range from YouTube drama, Love Island breakups, Housewives lore, body image and Ozempic, to school trauma and influencer economics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Where Are the Vlog Squad and YouTube Stars Now?

• Trisha reflects on the Vlog Squad's disappearance from the spotlight and David Dobrik's perceived fall:
  • “I passed by Dobrik’s Pizza and it’s like it makes no noise.” (00:01, 09:40)
  • Farai jokes, “I had to ask someone if David Dobrik was still alive...” (10:00)
• Parties are still being thrown but are much more under-the-radar, with attendees not posting about them.
• David Dobrik has found traction on Snapchat, but his era is largely seen as over.
• Both hosts reflect on YouTube's decline: "I feel YouTube just, like, died, babe." (35:38)

2. Tana Mongeau, Shane Dawson & Generational YouTube Drama

• Hot Takes on the Tana vs. Shane drama:
  • Tana’s Netflix-docu-style TikToks, Morgan Adams’ comments, and “can people actually change?” (34:00)
  • Trisha: "If you did something that hurt someone... they can talk about it for as much as they want... I’m never gonna clap back and be like, I’ve grown, so just move on from it." (35:00)
• Discussion about problematic YouTube eras and whether past behavior can be forgiven.

3. Influencer Economy & Fame

• Farai shares industry anecdotes:
  • Agency exclusivity issues between People & E! (04:51)
  • The politics behind event invites, brand deals, and agent/manager relationships.
• Influence of TikTokers vs. Youtubers—TikTokers are generally more themselves IRL.
• Snapchat as a money-maker — but Trisha is banned:
  • “They banned me.…Snapchat has banned me. They do not let me make another account.” (111:10)
• Importance of catchy headlines, thumbnails, and “doing your own ad deals” instead of signing big upfront contracts.

4. Reality TV Deep-Dive

• Bravo: Hot takes on Housewives (Beverly Hills, Orange County, Salt Lake City), Vanderpump Rules, Summer House, and The Valley.
  • Trisha reveals she wants to be cast: “You need to be on Real Housewives.” (15:20)
  • Farai: "To be on Housewives, you have to be a bit nefarious." (101:48)
  • Favorite and most hated Housewives, break-downs of new girls (Amanda) and old beefs.
• Love Island breakups—Nicolandria’s split and the fan backlash:
  • Farai: "I'm the president of Nickel and Relation Nation." (52:00)
  • They discuss influencer couples, brand-deal relationships, and fan reactions.
• The drama around Taylor Frankie Paul of MormonWives and allegations of misogyny in fan reactions (69:35)
• Discussion of the Bravo influencer economy, BravoCon, and event FOMO (14:37)
• Housewife music careers: camp value of Housewives songs, performing at BravoCon, and what “makes” a legendary Housewife.

5. Body Image, Ozempic, and Being Canceled

• Honest talk about body positivity, influencer “relatability,” and the backlash when stars lose weight (78:06)
• Trisha: “As a big person…every big person would love to be a healthy weight if they could. But it’s psychological.” (79:18)
• Meghan Trainor and Lizzo discussed as examples of shifting audience perceptions.
• Milestone: Farai notes sometimes, “the unattractive gays are getting the world,” discussing who audiences “forgive” or “root for.” (134:15)

6. School, Parenting, and Millennial Trauma

• Trisha considers homeschooling her kids due to trauma from bullying and public school violence/harassment (86:14–89:01)
• Farai defends public school/socialization: “Everyone needs to be a little bullied. It’s not gentle parenting. And you’re a millennial. Oh my God, you make me sick.” (86:54)
• Being an only child vs. siblings, the “first pancake” theory of parenting, and pressure to make “mom friends.” (92:28)
• Millennial cultural references abound (Aim screen names, Abercrombie trauma, Desperate Housewives deep lore).

7. Memorable Anecdotes, Quotes, and Pop Culture Lore

• Trisha and Farai’s first “meeting,” a pink G-Wagon, and Trisha’s Heartbreak Tour.
• Spilled tea:
  • “Her name is Trish. She’s got the dish and all the gossips. Filthy rich Hot Topic queen.” (00:25)
• The “Etsy witch” and TikTok manifestations leading to this podcast appearance (33:13)
• “Wendy Williams is my icon. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.” (27:01)
• Iconic, unsentimental analysis of influencer/reality TV marriages and divorces.
• “Do you have any secret celebrity fans?” (53:34) Discussing Chapel Ron, Sabrina Carpenter, and the difference between people wanting and rejecting fame.
• “You have to be a little diabolical to be diabolical.” (101:56)

8. Podcast Industry, Production, and the Life of an Influencer

• Farai’s path: journalism school, jobs at Access, E!, and People, and pivot into TikTok (03:05–04:46)
• The grind of going to multiple events a week (109:00)
• Managing personal and professional life as an influencer—Trisha’s schedule, glam, kid activities, and social media structure (111:53)
• Podcast business talk: agent representation, booking guests, the “cash up front” pitfalls vs. ad money (81:59)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Cancel Culture

  • Farai: “How are you scared of getting canceled? You’ve gotten canceled like 18 times. I really want to know how you’re so scared.” (00:13, 27:32)
  • Trisha: “If you did something that hurt someone…they can talk about it for as much as they want...you just gotta take it.” (35:00)

• On Reality TV Nefariousness

  • Farai: “To be on Housewives, you have to be a bit nefarious.” (101:48)
  • Trisha: “You have to be. I love the nefarious word. That’s your word of the day.” (101:50)

• On YouTube’s Demise

  • Trisha: "I feel YouTube just, like, died, babe." (35:38)
  • Farai: “Everyone’s dead on YouTube. Dramageddon ended it.” (75:39)

• On Manifestation

  • Farai: “I did, like, a career growth spell. And literally two days later, you were like, are you available?” (33:13)

• On Influencer Parties

  • Trisha: "This weekend there was a big rager." (10:10)
  • Farai (re: Dobrik parties): “I had to ask someone if David Dobrik was still alive.” (10:02)

• On Body Image Trends

  • Farai: "Everyone wants to see themselves in someone, like, not cute...That’s why Meghan Trainor’s, quote unquote, downfall." (78:25)
  • Trisha: "I feel better on it, but it’s...if you see people losing weight, you just get, like, a little, like, frustrated." (80:05)

• On the State of Reality TV & RH Starbacks

  • Trisha: "There was not one good husband…they were all awful." (68:00)
  • Farai on Sutton: "She found out she owns like a baseball team and all this stuff, so she just, like, casually lives in Bel Air." (15:50)

• On Parenting & Bullying

  • Farai: "Everyone needs to be a little bullied. It’s not gentle parenting and you’re a millennial. Oh my God, you make me sick." (86:54)

• On Influencer Competition

  • Trisha: "Do you feel like there’s any competition when you meet other influencers?" Farai: “I try not to, because, like, I’m not the biggest influencer in the world. Like, I’m not Alix Earl.” (30:53)
  • Trisha: "You’re at every event. How did you not get the invite to update?" Farai: "I don’t know. I really don’t know." (14:37)

• On Behind-the-Scenes Industry Drama

  • Farai: “E News like offered me the rundown…I played stupid…Technically it wasn’t really written [as exclusive]. It’s not even a real rule.” (05:21)

• On Love Island

  • Farai: “I'm the president of Nickel and Relation Nation.” (52:00)
  • “Please respect my privacy.” (51:53, joking re: nickelandria breakup)

• On Millennial Pop Culture

  • Trisha: “Millennials, especially my age, Hilary Duff…Paris Hilton, too, is a good example. Like loves the fame. And you’re right.” (55:55)
  • Farai: "Zac Efron could be up there [on Disney Mount Rushmore]." (94:26)

• On the Podcast Grind

  • Trisha: “You may be happier if you just find your own ad--like through your agents. Sometimes cash up front, they kind of, I don't know…But maybe if you're with Hulu and stuff like that…” (81:59)

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Memorable Moments

• The “Etsy witch” career spell that landed Farai as guest co-host. (33:13)
• Multiple dramatic re-tellings of iconic Desperate Housewives scenes (best and worst husbands, pizza fight, blind Carlos). (65:44 to 67:26)
• Trisha and Farai role-play a Bravo red carpet, sharing best interviewing tips and industry “military school” mentality (74:03–75:05).
• Honest admissions about content creation—both hosts reveal insecurities about competition, event invites, and views dropping on legacy apps.
• Mix of hot takes and generational divides—TikTok vs YouTube, body positivity backlashes, and "stan" culture.
• Playful shade thrown at Bravo stars, YouTubers, TikTokers, and each other.
• Trisha candidly explains her school trauma and parenting anxieties, pushing back on the push for “a little bullying.” (86:54)

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Top Timestamps

• 00:01–04:00: Introduction, where are YouTube stars/vlog squad
• 14:37: Event invites & influencer FOMO
• 27:01: Wendy Williams, cancel culture, and “allegedly”
• 35:00–36:00: On holding onto hurt, forgiving YouTubers
• 52:00: Love Island, Nicolandria breakup
• 65:44–68:26: Desperate Housewives deep dive: pizza, scandals, bad husbands
• 75:39: YouTube’s “death,” Dramageddon
• 78:06: Ozempic/body image chat
• 86:54: Public school vs. homeschooling; “everyone needs to be a little bullied”
• 101:48: Who can be a housewife? (“You have to be a bit nefarious.”)
• 134:15: The attractive gay influencer dilemma
• 137:06: Farai’s love for Giuliana Rancic (“hottest take you have!”)

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Conclusion

This episode is a dense, humorous, sometimes chaotic but always insightful slice of influencer and reality TV culture as seen through the eyes of two self-aware, hyper-online commentators. It’s packed with iconic references, sharp industry analysis, nostalgia, and up-to-the-minute TikTok and reality TV tea—making it a must-listen for anyone who wants to keep up with the ever-spinning world of internet fame.

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Find Farai Bennett: TikTok, Substack (Farai Unfiltered)
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Transcript

[A]

Where are they now, by the way? Someone was like, friars. Where's the Vaughn squad? I'm like, I have no idea. I passed by Dobrik's Pizza and it's like it makes no noise.

[B]

I'm like, I wish I could be more real like that. I'm so scared of getting canceled. I think back in the day, how

[A]

are you scared of getting canceled? You've gotten cancelled like 18 times. I really want to know how you're so scared. Her name is Trish.

[B]

She's got the dish and all the gossips.

[A]

Filthy rich Hot Topic queen.

[B]

And says what? Hello, guys. Welcome to the Dutch Trish podcast. It is a hot topic. Today. Oscar is still on a side bit at Comic Con and we miss him. We love him. He'll be back on Wednesday. But today we have an amazing guest co host who's not more than oomphies with Oscar. He was a colleague. We've met a bunch of times. He's great. He's all over Tik Tok. He is like pop culture phenomenon, smart, everything. He's everywhere. He's at every event, he's at every place. He is the influencer. He's my favorite influencer right now. And it's Farai Bennett.

[A]

Oh, my God, thank you. I'm so glad you remember that we've met before. Now

[B]

don't call me out right at the top of the show.

[A]

I walked in, here she goes, nice meeting you. I'm like, trisha, we've met like three times.

[B]

You never told me. Cause we talked on TikTok.

[A]

I don't know what I thought you knew, but see, that's what happens when you blow up. Everybody knows you now.

[B]

Same. You're so popular and I was like, I would remember you. You have such a big personality on TikTok. You've always stood out in my mind every time talk about you on Hot Topics. Do you know for Rye, he's like, yes. And we're always like, oh, my God, we know. But also Oscar too. I'm calling him up.

[A]

He's never like, raised me. Are you kidding me?

[B]

Like, literally, you guys like work together so much and he's gotten you jobs and you've worked together, you've gone on the field together. Like, you guys are like close.

[A]

No, we were during COVID I think I talked to Oscar like every single day. Because I was like, Covid was just a hard time girl. I was like locked in my house and I was working all these crazy people and Oscar was like my safe space.

[B]

Wait that is so crazy. So you guys started together at. Because I didn't know. Like I said, when Oscar comes back, we all have to do Hot Topics together. Because you are. We always talk about you, and I'm always like, I always get my information for. Right. Because you really do. Hot Topics. If you guys don't know he's on TikTok and he's doing Hot Topics, like, in real time. You're at the sinkhole in West Hollywood. Like, you are everywhere in real time. And I get all my information from you. Like, I know things are happening from you.

[A]

So I'm your new source.

[B]

You're my news source.

[A]

Thank God, because you told me you didn't know what De Moi was like also two minutes ago.

[B]

Well, you said Dimois on Substack, which, by the way, is also on Substack. How do you get there? How do you find it? I don't even know what substack is.

[A]

Farai. Bennet.substack.com and my substack is Farai Unfiltered. Go there. Watch this space. Yes.

[B]

I love that because you're like, okay, substacks everything. Then you're like Dumoise in there. I knew Deuxmoi is like a website that people go to, but I thought it was, like, a person. I thought you were like, oh, does

[A]

anyone care who De Moi is? I feel like it was exposed and, like, nobody moved because, like, did they?

[B]

Did they? Who was it? Who was it?

[A]

Some random girl who. Hailey Bieber was, like, trying to, like, who done it. She was like, who did De Moi? Like, and then it came out. I was like, oh, Hailey Bieber ruined it. So the fact that I found out that Hailey Bieber ruined it, I was like, well, I never want to know who it is. So I'm not like, you didn't care.

[B]

So you're like. I was like, no, who cares about Dumont's upstairs too? I guess. I don't know. But so you. You work together because. Okay, so you also went to school for journalism, which I always say this to people. I'm like, oh, my God. You went to college and completed four years. That's like the most impressive.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Ye. For the fact that you're also so in tune. And I think that's where you and Oscar have the very similarities and very specific niche that no one else has on the Internet where you guys have the education of, like, journalism and, like, Boots on the ground, all that stuff like that. But also, like, the obsession with pop culture and just know Everything about everything. So you guys worked at Access together?

[A]

Yeah, he worked there before me. I was a talent assistant. He was on the digital team. And I was, like, very fresh, living in la, I think, like, I moved to LA literally a week before I started that job. Yeah.

[B]

So, yeah.

[A]

And then I would always talk him about, God, what was that celebrity? I was like, this celebrity is so accurate. It must have been a K pop group or something of the sort that he was obsessed with.

[B]

We love K pop over here.

[A]

But he hated me for probably maybe five days. And then we were friends.

[B]

Wait, really? That's so funny. And then how did you guys become friends? What was the switch? You said something about K pop, and

[A]

then he was like, I was always hanging out with the digital team. I thought what they were doing was so fun. I did not care what was going on with George Clooney or any of that. Kylie Jenner was hiding her pregnancy at the time. It was so boring. I'm like, girl, just tell everyone that you're having stormy. It was 2017, girl.

[B]

That's a period. It's a time capsule. Yeah.

[A]

It was a time. A lot happened that year with Tristan and Khloe and Kylie and the baby, like. And I was.

[B]

How you remember all that is crazy. Oh, no.

[A]

2017 was a crazy. Oh, and then. Oh, me too. It was a Matt Lauer year.

[B]

So I was that just 2017.

[A]

Me, too. And I remember because when I worked at Access, they would make me log what happened on the Today show every day. I was never more informed of the world. Someone would tell me something that was going on in Afghanistan that was completely wrong. I'd be like, actually, that is not what Savannah Guthrie said. Oh, wow. So when the MeToo thing happened. Matt Lauer. Cause Access was owned by NBC, so, like, you would see all the Today show posters. I used to get E. News notifications peeped at that startup, girl, but.

[B]

I know, I know, but we love them.

[A]

I was on the Rundown one time anyway.

[B]

Were you. Did you ever host on E?

[A]

I hosted the Rundown, Yeah. For, like, three episodes. Oh, yeah.

[B]

That's everything.

[A]

Back in, like, 2022. Oh, my God. And then People magazine got so mad at me about, oh, my God, they'll never live it down.

[B]

Wait, why did they get mad at you? What's the tea?

[A]

Because I. I'll tell the story now.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because basically what happened was, is that I was in between. I'd gotten laid off from ET and then in the. In between, I was, like, interviewing at People. But, like, E News like offered me the rundown. So I got the run down thing first when I got the job at People, but it was when I was doing. It was coinciding with like when I was starting. So I just kind of played stupid and I was like, oh, I had no idea that this was like a rule when technically if you really look at the fine print, there really is no sign. What's the rule?

[B]

What was the rule?

[A]

They said that you can't like do anything with other outlets. But like technically it wasn't really like written like that. Like it was like it's not even a real rule. It's like something you decided to make up then and there. So that's a whole nother story for another day.

[B]

You didn't give me that exclusivity pay or anything like that.

[A]

Yeah, it's like, what are you talking about? So I just. So I went and did it and everyone hated me for like the first like six months.

[B]

I don't even get those two like mixed up. And we love both. I love people in ripe news, but like they're kind of like so separate to me. Like they're not even. I don't even like same read news

[A]

articles like I do if I want to know accurate information. Obviously, because. Journalist, right? Yes, yes. But I want an opinion. So these days I'm on the dark web. I go, Trisha, Paytas, hemorrhoids, Reddit, like what does everybody think?

[B]

Oh, Eden Zig Post. They had that one. Yes. They had the deadline of a hemorrhoid.

[A]

Are you doing better?

[B]

I'm doing better. I was still on pain medications and my husband was like, oh, you're Shauna. And I was like, yeah. I was like, it honestly was like the most painful thing ever. Like I was, it was crazy. Is there a Mercury retrograde though?

[A]

What is. Oh, you're so right. What is a hemorrhoid?

[B]

Ooh, that is a great question.

[A]

I. I'm gay and I feel like I'm supposed to like know that.

[B]

And I never had a hemorrhoid.

[A]

No, Never.

[B]

Wow, that's impressive. Cuz all my gay friends, when I'm

[A]

like 15, why would I have a hemorrhoid?

[B]

That's true, that's true, that's true. All my gay friends put me onto like the witch hazel pads. They're all like, oh, you know, you don't have to.

[A]

Is that what you have on your shoulder right now?

[B]

This is. I've yet to ask him right in my arm.

[A]

I was like, what happened?

[B]

To you. I knew it. I was like. I asked myself, do I take this off? It looks a little distracting. He's like, no, no, no. It's, like, fine. It's it.

[A]

You're home, diva. I want you to feel comfortable or like, we're out here. You've ever heard of it?

[B]

We are far. Thank you for making the check. We are very far out here. No, I had a. That was a. I was mercury retrograde, and everything was, like, coming off of me. Like, the hemorrhoid, the cyst, everything. All of a sudden, there was, like, a cyst on my arm that was, like, so big. It came, like, out of nowhere, and they had to, like, drain it. Last week, it was like this.

[A]

Oh, I hate that. I've had a cyst on my face, and I made my girl drain it.

[B]

Wait, really? Was it painful?

[A]

Yes. I ate needles, but it was on my face. So I was like, girl, just hold your breath and hope for the best.

[B]

Well, what's this? Okay, so hemorrhoid is something on? Usually it's internal. Can be in your anus or outside of it.

[A]

Yeah, so I've heard.

[B]

Mine was outside. That's crazy. You've never. I've had so many, so it's crazy. I've never had one. And it's like, I'm so ran through.

[A]

I'm surprised.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm so not.

[B]

I didn't know where to go with that. I was like, okay, well, maybe it's not the butt stuff. I don't know.

[A]

What's Hollywood like? You know everyone. It's like, we all know each other. We're all friends.

[B]

Yes, we. And everyone has hemorrhoids, and it's totally fine. It's actually very natural to have a hemorrhoid is what I found out. But I think it's like. I think it's a popped blood vessel, I think. Right. Inflamed blood vessel. You had a hemorrhoid. We've talked about this. Blood vessels that pop out.

[A]

So you're the culprit of this hemorrhoid?

[B]

No, no. It was from pregnancy because I was constipated. So if you push a lot, too, obviously you can get it from, like, butt stuff.

[A]

Do you get really constipated during pregnancy?

[B]

I did. It was like a rock.

[A]

Anyways, how many children do you have again?

[B]

I have three. I have a gaggle of kids now.

[A]

I have a gaggle, by the way. But I knew you when you gave me this shirt.

[B]

Oh, wait, okay.

[A]

You tossed me this shirt. Outside of your pink G Wago and said, oh, my God, here did I toss it?

[B]

Okay, so this is another lore that I didn't know, which is so crazy. But 2019, if you know anything, I'm out of my mind. So the fact that we met in 2019, especially during this time, because I remember so specifically it was July, and July was like.

[A]

Yeah, it was July.

[B]

Yeah, I remember it so much. And so you were with Oscar at my Heartbreak Tour rehearsal, which is so.

[A]

I know. And I met you briefly at Access, but I get why you didn't remember me there, because I was just like. I was like, nothing.

[B]

Yeah, no, the Access was such a whirlwind too, but this was like the Heartbreak Tour. So you came with Oscar. It was so weird because it was for E.T. shout out E.T. and I remember they were like, oh, do you want us to, like, film your rehearsal of the tour? And no one gave me in 2019. This is after I left Vlog Squad. And, like, no one cared, So I was like, well, someone cares, so shout out Oscar and Farai for coming.

[A]

Oh, I was so there. I was so there.

[B]

So what did you do?

[A]

I had to take notes of, like, everything you were doing and, like, what you were saying and, like, that. Questions. I was like, I would, like, log the interviews of what he was doing.

[B]

Wait, that is.

[A]

So I was doing, like, a shoot report.

[B]

And how does something like that come about? Because obviously I don't think ET Is like, we need to go to Trisha Paytas rehearsal for, like, 50 people.

[A]

They had the app at the time, and they were really trying to make the app, like, happen, and they wanted it. It was all really digital star focused at the time.

[B]

Oh, I see.

[A]

I think you were, like, a huge get. Like, I don't know.

[B]

Why? Cause I need to maybe did a

[A]

Vlog Squad home shoot, like, two weeks later. And I went to that, and I was like, this is the Vlog Squad house. It's kind of. It's a little.

[B]

Which one did you go to? What was it? What was the Vlog Squad home shoot? Do you remember?

[A]

It was like, with David.

[B]

Oh, I know what house you're talking about. So it was kind of disagreeable.

[A]

Not this gated community we're at, babe. I was like, damn. I was like, what was this? They already had the nerve to kick you out of there. Where are they now, by the way? Someone was like, fries? Where's the Vogue Squad? I'm like, I have no idea. I passed by Dobrik's Pizza and it's like, it makes no noise. I'm like, oh, my God.

[B]

Do you ever see that? You don't go. You don't go to the parties because he had a big one this weekend and all the. And you see the influencers. It's funny.

[A]

I had to ask someone if David Dobrik was still alive. I swear to God, I was like, guys, is he.

[B]

Isn't it crazy?

[A]

And my friend Sophie, she goes, no, he's just on Snapchat.

[B]

If you're on Snapchat, he's lit over there. It's really popping. Because influencers just don't pose. I saw some influencers. I did a little side. I saw some influencers there, and I'm like, they just don't post about it. They still go to the parties and stuff like that, but they don't. This weekend there was a big rager.

[A]

Was it after this, the drink update party? Everyone just went over there.

[B]

Did you not go to the. Yes. So David's was Carl's union. Snoop Dogg. That was at his birthday party. Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

He gets. I don't know. He gets performers. That's his thing. He gets, like, big performers to go. And then the update party was, I think, the same night. I'm surprised you weren't at the update party.

[A]

Kim. We have no beef. I love you, girl.

[B]

Update. Update.

[A]

Wait. Is it good? Yes.

[B]

I have a blue.

[A]

I've never tried it.

[B]

We have a blue one. I can go to the blue one in the thing? Yes. You have never had it.

[A]

No, I want to get. Is it even available in stores? She never told me where to buy it.

[B]

It's Walmart. It's only been. What? Walmart.

[A]

I don't go there.

[B]

Wait, what do you mean, Walmart?

[A]

I don't do Walmart.

[B]

What do you do?

[A]

I just go to Whole Foods.

[B]

Go to the one here. Wait, but how are you gonna get, like, deodorant and, like, diapers at Whole Foods? Well, I guess you could.

[A]

Oh, I go to cvs. I get like. I have a CVS Care Pass.

[B]

CVS is expensive.

[A]

But if you have the Care Pass, it's not.

[B]

Wait, what do you mean? You get a discount.

[A]

You pay, like, $5 for this, like, Care Pass, and it's, like, attached to your phone number. And, like, every month they'll give you, like, $10 off. But I think you can. But then there's other deals.

[B]

It's still so expensive.

[A]

No, but if you get the other coupons and stuff and you app, you can get, like, a lot off. And sometimes, like, if you don't go for a couple months, sometimes they expire. But, like, one time I didn't go for two months, and I went and got, like, all my necessities, and I only paid, like, 19 bucks.

[B]

That's crazy. Cause I went. It was like $100, and I got, like, deodorant and soap and, like, some tampons.

[A]

Getting, like, necessity is, like, so annoying. It's like getting gas annoying.

[B]

Gas is the craziest. That's why I was, like, appreciative that you came. Cause I always offer, like, a car, and you're like, oh, I drive. Oh, my God. I was like, okay. Love that. It's still expensive. Yes.

[A]

On one of my friends podcasts, like, a year ago, I was like, so you're gonna send me a black car? Were you gonna. I have a rider. Like, where's my dom? Like, where's all of it? And then. So it was like a joke, obviously.

[B]

I was like, no, but you should. That's like podcast 101. Cause, like, a lot of times, like, podcasts, it's far. It's all stuff that's like 101 is like, you'd get a car for someone.

[A]

Wait, say Sierra. That's podcast rule number one.

[B]

Want me to. Sierra, your friend? Maybe she was just like, oh, this is, like my friend. It's a little different, I guess, if it's like, your friend.

[A]

No, but I texted her and you offered me a car. And I was like, see, Trisha's calling me a car. And she's like, well, of course Trisha Paytas is gonna all call you a car.

[B]

I just feel like I don't wanna be that person. Cause you're, like, coming to my house. You're so far. But sounds cool. We love Sierra.

[A]

No, I wanted to be humble. I was like, no, I'm gonna drive.

[B]

I know. I love that. You're like, I'll drive myself. Which is, like, rare because it's. It is far and gas is expensive. So it's like, I. I would take a car if someone offers me a car to go into West Hollywood.

[A]

I'm like, no. I was like, this is like my Kim K moment. I'm gonna be, like, on time. Like, everyone's gonna remember you are.

[B]

I knew you were going to be too. And that's why I told Most. I think he's gonna be actually early. And that's because, again, you're like, so Oscar coded where you guys, like, went to college. You had, like, Traditional media jobs, like, you can't be late, but influencer world, everyone's, like, an hour late. Like, you just expect it. So.

[A]

Oh, every time I interview Tana Mongeau at et, always late. And I love her down. Love her down.

[B]

She's in her sober era. And, you know what can I tell you? Same. The first time I did the podcast with her, it was, like, four hours late. This was, like, four years ago. But now we do not love lying together once a week on time, every day. In fact, last time she was together,

[A]

you guys are doing that together. Is that when you guys, like, answer questions and stuff?

[B]

Yeah, it's a little relationship question. Yeah.

[A]

That reminds me of, like, those, like, remember in the early 2000s where they do, like, release funds and get celebrities to, like, call people.

[B]

The telephones.

[A]

Yeah, like those. That's what you're. That's what it reminds me.

[B]

When I see that, it is giving that. And shout out Tana for being. She's like, okay, so obviously, we're different generations. I'm millennial. She's very like, Gen Z. And I called it not Loveline. And she's probably like, wow, what the hell is this for her name? Because there was a show called Loveline in, like, the 90s with, like, Adam, Carolla, and Dr. Drew.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And so it was supposed to be like that, but not. But no one gets it because I'm just old, and it was even old before me. So I think she was just like, I don't know what this means, but that's where the. Not love life. But no one really gets it. But now we stuck with the name, you know what I mean? So. But she does. My point of that is she does show up on time. In fact, she beat us home last. And I was like, damn, girl, you really are on time. She's in her new era. Do you see her out? She was at the update event.

[A]

I saw her at the Synergy Kombucha Halloween party, and I was like, do you remember when I went to your wedding? And she's like, you were there. She's like, you should come to my next one, because that one was just gonna Same.

[B]

She didn't remember Oscar was there either, so I think it was. But again, not sober Tana.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

So I think she was very much.

[A]

The wedding was probably the best one ever.

[B]

Summer 2019, too.

[A]

Summer 2019 was crazy. I swear to God.

[B]

From the Tana wedding to the church rehearsal to the Vlog Squish Squad, Trish

[A]

Vlog Squad Tana wedding.

[B]

She was this. She was all the pins at once.

[A]

And I was like, that was. That was the wildest summer of my life.

[B]

That is crazy. So you've been in it for a minute. Because I really, like, I've discovered you, like, a couple of years on TikTok. And I was like, oh, my God, I love you. You're so funny. And then obviously, I've been seeing you around, like, everywhere now, and I was like, oh, my God, it's so crazy. And then when you came with the Heartbreak Tour, I was like, that's insane. How did you not get the invite? Because you were everywhere this past week. I've seen you at all the events. How did you not get the invite to update?

[A]

I don't know. I really don't know.

[B]

I'm so. I'm so. Actually, I've never actually been upset ever. I'm never jealous. Never. Because I'm like, you know what? I'm Trisha. I've done everything. Did not get invited. I was so jealous. I was so mad.

[A]

I was a little jealous. I never get upset about that. Really either.

[B]

I don't either, but I was a little.

[A]

I only get mad, I guess. Not mad.

[B]

Mad is crazy. Yeah, mad's are crazy.

[A]

I get, like, annoyed if I don't get invited to, like, a Bravo event because, like, that was, like, a lot of my content at first. So I'm like, why am I invited? And I weasel my way into it.

[B]

And that's it. And that's why I'm kind of glad you're here for this, too, because you talked about. You did, like, a rundown of hot topics that were bothering you, like, last week, and I literally didn't know any of them. And I feel like I'm pretty tuned in. I'm pretty like. But Bravo I'm so tuned out of. And I know it's, like, such a big fandom, and I want to be in it because I'm like, wait. Everybody loves it. Everybody loves the Housewives. Everybody loves.

[A]

You need to be on Real Housewives of our. Really helps.

[B]

This is the one you think I should be on of all. Not Summer House. I don't know what Summer House is, but you mentioned it, and I was like, should I be on that one?

[A]

I would love to see you on Summer House, but I don't think that works for you.

[B]

Okay. Not me. Okay. I don't know what it is.

[A]

I'll explain. You should be Unreal Housewives because I honestly think the ratings would go through the Roof. Yes.

[B]

You came and you're like, you should be on Real Housewives. You might be the only one that's still married. And I was like, oh, that's so interesting.

[A]

I would die to see you have a conversation with Kyle Richard.

[B]

I. That's so funny.

[A]

Or Sutton, honestly.

[B]

Which one's Sutton? What'd she do?

[A]

Sutton is this girl. She was married to some, like, billionaire who is from Atlanta or something like that. She got, like, this crazy, like, alimony. I think she gets, like, 300 grand a month from this dude. And she found out she owns, like, a baseball team and all this stuff, so she just, like, casually lives in Bel Air. She has, like a. She has a clothing store. I think it's still open. But, like, yeah, she's, like, a little awkward, but she would love that. But she's kind of fun.

[B]

I love awkward. I'm awkward as a. So I love an opera.

[A]

I think Erika Jane would hate you because you'd be totally stealing her vibe, but you'd be doing it better because you have, like, the funds to, like, actually produce music and do music videos. And she used. Well, she used to, yeah. But then, you know, the husband.

[B]

But she's also in her 50s, so I am like, you know, I'm like the Erika Jane. Like, yeah, back in. Because we shared a lot of dancers, a lot of the same glam, but you do. Yeah. And so I was always like, my choreographer Cedric danced with her for so long. Like, we always shared, like, a lot of the same dancers and stuff like that, and I loved what she did. And then that happened. So I'm always like, but you just never know where I'm going to be in 50. You know, when I'm 50, I'm like, who knows where I'm going to be? So. I know, but I saw her at a party. I was at a Pride event. You're like, oh, I never see you at event. I always just think it was your house. And I'm like, I am at my house a lot. But I went to a Pride event at CAA and it was. And she was there. She was like the guest dj. And I was going to walk past her because we were going to leave. She came, like, later. We'd go early, and I was about to leave, and I'm like, I'm just going to walk right past her because obviously I'm more in picture. I don't even think she knows me or cares about me. And she stopped me, and she was like, trisha, like, I love what you're doing. You're so. For the record, Erica Dayton was my inspo. I loved her so much because I love that someone could just self fund their pop star life. And that's what gave me the hope that gave me hope, gave me the courage to do. I was like, you know what? Period? And she had that Vegas residency.

[A]

Why don't you have a Vegas residency?

[B]

She gave me hope for it. I was like, damn, if she gave me hope.

[A]

I don't think that's like out of reach for you.

[B]

I would love. That'd be the dream. That'd be the dream. Maybe if I get on Housewives then I can get the fan base to get a Vegas residency.

[A]

We are going to get. Oh, and I also want to see you interact with Amanda. Amanda's the new girl who everyone hates

[B]

on Wait, why do they hate her?

[A]

I think they hate her because she's young and she doesn't get give a.

[B]

I think what's young?

[A]

She's like late 30s. I want to say I need to

[B]

be on Housewives so I can be young because I'm 38. I feel compared to you, compared to all these influencers. I'm like, damn, I feel so old. But I would be young on Housewives because I'm 38.

[A]

Yeah. No, so she. I think she's like 38.

[B]

Love that.

[A]

They all like, okay, so here's the thing. They all like basically don't like that. She flashes like all this designer stuff. She has. She's basically new money because she has this book called Rich As.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And she, her whole thing is like, I manifest my money. I got it from manifesting. And she created like this whole like book to inspire people to manifest and get money. So everyone thinks, oh, I love that.

[B]

Literally us. How do I do that?

[A]

But everyone thinks her business is nefarious because of that. And it's like, okay. And it's annoying because I'm like, to live in LA is to know someone who does absolutely something so nefarious and wondering how they have money.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. That's just like so, like sitting here pretending like you've never met someone like this is like so annoying.

[B]

Oh, so they're like. But that's so crazy to me because all of them, I mean like Erika Jayne married rich, so she had her money. So it's kind of weird to judge other people for how you get your money. Right.

[A]

Boy wasn't really the one judging.

[B]

Judging. Call it out, Bose.

[A]

Bose is on there.

[B]

And Bose is. Did the Bose headphones.

[A]

Oh, no, that's funny, Bose.

[B]

Cause he said Tijuana. You're like, I'm trying to say, who said why?

[A]

That's so Bose.

[B]

Look at Bose.

[A]

Oh, Bose is like this girl, she was like the CEO of Uber and like a bunch of other companies. Oh.

[B]

And she was judgy and she was judgey, but she created the owner her own empire, I guess. I mean, that's gonna end well.

[A]

She was like. She was. See, she. Sorry. She was like a cmo, like all these different companies for like short amounts of time. Marketing. Chief marketing officer.

[B]

Oh, so she didn't create Uber?

[A]

No, she didn't create it. She was just like, you know, she had like a lot of high up positions and she'd go to the next to the next and then people kind of criticize her because they're like, well, why was she like at these businesses for such a short amount of time? Yeah, but I guess if you. But I. My friend wants to be a cmo. She's like on track to do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she told me that it's like normal to have like a short tenure being a CMO because you have an objective. And then once the objective is over, I guess you go on. I could be wrong, girl. I don't do anything.

[B]

And she's on Housewives now. So what's she.

[A]

She's on Housewives now and then she got the show with Jimmy Fallon like right after.

[B]

What's that?

[A]

Don't know. Got canceled. But like, you know, she has like marketing objectives. Like she has aspirations. She's getting married to this guy named Keeley.

[B]

Is he rich?

[A]

To be determined? Don't know. They're engaged.

[B]

Got it. Got it.

[A]

I think he has money, but like, she definitely has more money than him. She has like a vibe going for her and.

[B]

But she was judgey to this new. What's the new Amanda? Amanda. Okay, so she was judging to her. And how is she judging? She was just like.

[A]

She was like, amanda, your business, how do you have your return on investments? Like, girl, shut up.

[B]

All of you ask that questions. Like, I don't know. I just have money. Like, why you ask me what? I don't know what that means. Like, what do you mean?

[A]

That's the funniest thing about Housewives. I'll tell you. All of them get their like, pants in a tizzy about, like, how did you end up here? Like, how are you one of us? And it's like. Or just about like their lives and their past. They get so judgy about it. But it's like, yeah, we all ended up on the same platform.

[B]

Exactly. We're all here trying to get something.

[A]

Yeah, we're all under Andy Cohen's neck. Like, what are you talking about?

[B]

Is that how you get cast? That's what I didn't know. How do you get cast on. So he created Bravo?

[A]

No, he started off as, like, someone who worked in. He, like, was like. He helped, like, create, like, the development. That's what he would do. He would develop all the shows and he helped develop the franchise.

[B]

The first Real Housewives, he developed.

[A]

Yeah, well, someone else, like, developed it, and then he was, like, on the team of. It was a bunch of people, but he was like, one of the key people.

[B]

He's like the face now.

[A]

Yeah. And then, like, he would host the reunions, and then, like, he got watch what happens live. So that's kind of like his journey. So he doesn't, like, oversee the rest of the shows on Bravo anymore. He just over. He just does executive produces Housewives.

[B]

And so he's like, I get with him.

[A]

Yeah. So he's kind of like, not everything runs by him. From what I understand, it's like, not a democracy at Bravo, but he has a say in, like, I see who stays and who.

[B]

He was nice. I met him. I did the live one where I'm a bartender. I'm just like, hey, guys, I don't

[A]

want to be a bartender.

[B]

How am you not?

[A]

I don't know, tweaking.

[B]

A redhead was on.

[A]

Someone on Bravo hates me, I swear to God.

[B]

Wait, do you think Andy does? You know Andy? No. He must.

[A]

I met him once, and I did a shot with him at Bravo Fan Fest.

[B]

Love you. Because you're like, no, he does not love me.

[A]

It's because they don't. He doesn't. I don't think he knows me.

[B]

You think it's, like, maybe a little jealousy? Maybe a little bit.

[A]

No, I don't think it's jealousy.

[B]

What do you think it is? Yes. No, you. If you're at the Bravo. So you said your TikTok really kicked off because of Scandival, which is Bravo.

[A]

Yeah, Vanderpump rules. Okay, but you know what? 10 years ago, you could have done Vanderpump Rules.

[B]

What is Vanderpump Rules?

[A]

It's that show about these servers that, like, drink and, like. And, like, just cause mess at Lisa Vanderpump's restaurant. It's called Sir.

[B]

So they all did that. Like Ariana. Cause I know the Ariana did it.

[A]

Yeah, she was on it.

[B]

Jax and Brittany.

[A]

Jax, Brittany. Stassi. Okay, so Dawsey was like, the star of that.

[B]

And they're all bartenders.

[A]

Bartenders and waitresses.

[B]

Real. At this restaurant or you think they casted him for the show?

[A]

I think Jax was definitely, like, he kind of worked there. But they all, like, worked there. They all worked there before the show even started.

[B]

This is like when they're young and hot.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Now they're like, a little older.

[A]

Yeah. And some of them took off and obviously most of them didn't.

[B]

Who took off? Who was the biggest star besides Ariana?

[A]

Stassi. Stassi. Why do I not know?

[B]

Saucy Stassi. Sassy Baby Stassi. No. Like, which Stassi is it?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Stassi baby is like a whole world. I want to know. Stassi.

[A]

Schroeder. She got canceled, but she's actually her.

[B]

She's the biggest.

[A]

She's. Yeah, I would say Stassi. Ariana. Who else would be the biggest?

[B]

Tom, I guess. I know Tom.

[A]

Tom who?

[B]

Sandoval.

[A]

No, he's not. No, I haven't seen that.

[B]

I've seen him on Traitors, American Santana.

[A]

He was, you know, he did a little redemption on Traitors. But Tom Sandoval is, like, pathetic.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And it's like no shade.

[B]

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[A]

Honestly, if you were acting like that in my house, leave like, I actually.

[B]

The dad or the Tom.

[A]

The top. You're in my house acting a fool. I'm pushing you in the fireplace and I'm not on his side, but it's like, baby, why?

[B]

Like, that was the one where I'm like, okay, great.

[A]

Why is your boyfriend's father at my home?

[B]

But didn't he call the cops and say, like, oh, I have domestic violence against me, but you push me?

[A]

You know what, though? Like, no, we're calling.

[B]

We're all pushing each other. Let no one call because he did it too. I should call it on you for pushing my cousin.

[A]

This is a self defense. Please. No one was near manslaughter. Like, that was so crazy because.

[B]

Okay, this is the world I do want to know because I do know. It's like so big. I remember when Sandoval happened and Ariana Max got to be on Broadway and I was like, what? I want to do all this stuff. Like, what? That's why I need to be on a Bravo show. But I guess you have to be a little scandalous, to be honest. Jennifer Tilly still on Housewives.

[A]

She's not like an official housewife. She's like a friend of. I kind of get annoyed with Jennifer Tilly being on there. I like her. I think she's cool and fun and nice. There's just too many kooky girls in Beverly Hills right now.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Like, too many kooks in the kitchen.

[B]

Is there any. Is there anyone you like? Is there one that's like, she's the best.

[A]

Dorit is kind of my girl.

[B]

Dorit got broken into. Her house got broken into.

[A]

I personally believe her husband 1000% set that up. And she just is the only person

[B]

who doesn't know because it was a little sus. Right. I remember that all happening.

[A]

It like, caused her ptsd. I actually love Dorit, though. Okay, Dorit, she's a cancer. I vibe with her. I saw her.

[B]

She's been on a while. I've heard the name Dorit for so long.

[A]

Her house is always in and out of foreclosure. Like, usually it's days away from a

[B]

foreclosure and then like, she gets it out last minute.

[A]

Yeah. Because I think her husband is being really financially abusive right now. I think everyone's blaming her and like, Chihuahua, he's trying to put this, like, whole spending problem on her. But really he's, like, being abusive about the finances, I think. And he will save the house. Cause they have two kids together. And he's just trying to force her to sell it. He's trying to force the sale. And she just wants him to pay the bills. And she has no idea what's going on with the money because he's nefarious as well. And I think. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly.

[B]

Yes. Journalist.

[A]

See, I'm in. Wendy Williams is my icon.

[B]

Allegedly. I miss her. Oh, my God, I wish she was so much. She's everything I know. All the days these chairs were designed after Wendy Williams purple chair. I honestly, I rated pink.

[A]

I was getting that vibe. I was getting that vibe. I felt that feeling when I walked in here.

[B]

So, like, tiny, that little chair, you know, with her little mints and her tea and. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God, I love her. She's my inspiration.

[B]

No, my everything. I love her more than anything in the whole world.

[A]

You're kind of like the new. You're like the white Wendy Williams.

[B]

I wish I could be more real like that. I'm so scared of getting canceled, I think back in the day.

[A]

How are you scared of getting canceled? You gotten canceled like, 18 times. I really want to know how you're so scared.

[B]

Because I'm like. People finally are like, like me. And I'm like, you know what? Let me just be, like, nice to everyone, you know?

[A]

Were you ever mean to anyone, though? I feel like you just told, like, three people.

[B]

Yeah, I guess I'm a little. I was a little wild, a little unhinged, a little. I was a little problematic, I suppose, back in the day. You were.

[A]

But that's totally. Everyone has a problematic era.

[B]

That is true. And I think it's okay. I think it's like, I'm okay with people, like, not liking me because of my past. I think some people, like, you know, they have a problematic past, and they're like, I change. Everyone should like me. And it's like, I don't know.

[A]

But not everyone in this world is going to like you. Like, I.

[B]

That's how I feel.

[A]

That's why don't miss corporate. Like, yeah, you have to, like, like everyone. It's like. Like, I hate all these people. That's how I always thought. I'm like, I have to pretend to be nice to these people. And then one time I remember one of my bosses was like, why don't you just tell this person how you feel? I Was like, if I do that, they're gonna go and tell you I'm gonna say something not nice. And it's like, you've seen my content.

[B]

Were you sassy back in the day, like, when you worked at corporate, or were you trying to keep it together?

[A]

I was a little bit of both. I always minded my business, but then a hater would always come for me, and I'd find out through the grapevine, and then I would have to be a little nasty. And I'm like, no.

[B]

Or, like, you know what I'm saying?

[A]

Sometimes someone would be nasty to me, and I could tell they were trying to, like, get something out of me. And I was like, I'm just not in the mood for this. So I would kind of, like, ignore them. Like, I remember one time my boss was like, you should apologize for this thing. And I was like, I think I don't owe them an apology, and I'm just gonna never talk to them again. Yes.

[B]

Yeah, that's hard. How do you hold it back, though? How do you hold it back?

[A]

I just. It's code switching. I'm black, so I have to operate differently. So I can't, like, be like. I just have to, like, kind of be like, I just.

[B]

What does that mean? How do you operate different. Differently?

[A]

I'm just like, okay, sorry you feel that way. Like, it has to be very nice nasty.

[B]

Okay, okay, okay.

[A]

It has to be very nice nasty.

[B]

Okay. Right.

[A]

Then, like, if I run it back, like, you can't really say I was rude.

[B]

Right, right, right. I see what you mean.

[A]

Yeah. I just had, like, an attitude, and it's like. And then I just move on because, like, I don't live at work. Like, I'm just like. And some people have nothing else to do, so it's like. But then again, like. And then also I feel like I was always pitted against other people. Like, I'm like. And I. I'm an only child, so I don't know. Competition. I can do competition if I care enough, but it. Why am I competing with her? Like, we are different.

[B]

Why would they pin you guys against each other? Like, what would be the reason?

[A]

I just feel like that's just how it is. I just feel like that's naturally how it is. When you work in corporate, there's always a competition going on. And it's like. And also, specifically when I was at et, Everyone wanted to be on camera, and that was like. And I was out loud about my goal. Cause I just feel like closed mouths don't get fed. And then I feel like there is competition. One time I had a boss tell me, she's like, there's like a pecking order here. I'm like, okay.

[B]

Oh, that was weird.

[A]

And I love the diva who told me that, like, no shade against her, but that looking back, I was like, that was crazy to say.

[B]

To me, that is crazy, because, like, you're there for a reason and you're there. A job. Yeah.

[A]

And there was this idea that I, like, I wasn't talented enough. And I was like, okay, the buck stops here.

[B]

How do you know? You heard that? You felt that or someone said that to you?

[A]

I just felt it.

[B]

Wait, that's crazy.

[A]

I always felt it. Like, I just wasn't, like, I think in their eyes. Like, and I would hear it, people would tell me, they'd be like, they don't think you're good enough.

[B]

Wait, that's crazy, because as soon as I saw you on TikTok, I was like, oh, my God, who is this person? You so funny. And we, like, talked about you. That's when Oscar's like, oh, I know him. I was like, wait, that's so crazy. Like, it's so wild to me because you always have that, like, wow factor, that star power. Like, that's so wild that anybody would think that. But interesting that you said, because you're so, like, locked in. Like, I feel like, now with Influencer World, do you feel like there's any competition when you meet other influencers?

[A]

I don't. I mean, like, I feel I can tell when other influencers are competing with each other, but I try not to, like, compare myself because, like, I'm not, like, the biggest influencer in the world. Like, I'm not Alix Earl.

[B]

But you are. At every event. You were. I will tell you another one. I was so jealous. I've actually never. I'm like you, where I'm very much. Like, I'm 38. I've been around. I get great opportunities.

[A]

I know you're going to say Desperate Housewives.

[B]

How did you know?

[A]

Because that's, like, your era. But I've rewatched Housewives 22 times. That's no shade either. I just knew you were going to say that. You're not going to be mad at me for being at, like, Ozzy Christmas on Saturday.

[B]

You know what that is? But I think Ozzy Osbourne. I'm like, were you at Ozzy Osbourne Christmas? Like, I think that. But, like, I think, like, with Desperate Housewives, and I went Back to your TikTok. I was scrolling. You had a paid partnership with Esper Housewives.

[A]

I did, and I have another one coming up that should be me.

[B]

I'm never, ever, ever jealous, ever. And I saw. I saw Alexis Oakley was also at the Desperate Housewives.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I was hanging out there because her manager used to be my manager.

[B]

Oh, my God. Can you tell me who it is? I can bleep it. Who's her manager? Okay, work. I know once I got an agent that, like, changed everything. I feel like I only got one, like, two years ago. And I was like, how? This is everything.

[A]

Oh, I love my agent. I told her I was doing this, and she was like, you better go over that.

[B]

Oh, I wondered, how does that work with. Because some agents. You know what I do. This is why we don't book guests a lot or, like, guest calls or anything like that is because I'll be like, hey, do you want to be on the podcast? Like, yes. Here's my, like, manager's number. Oh, my God. Manager. And it's like, it's fine. I get it. Because I can be that way, too. But it's like, if I'm directly reaching out, like, you can directly communicate back. I was going to do a whole rant about it. I'm like, let me not. Because the person's gonna know who I was talking about. But I hate when people I'm, like, kind of, like, friendly with, and I didn't even know you, so if you gave me your manager, it'd be fine. I would talk to them. But, like, people I'm friendly with, they're like, oh, here's my manager that, like, works.

[A]

I was like, you know what's so funny? If I was doing therapists, I'd be like, yeah, talk to my agent.

[B]

Oh, interesting.

[A]

We know each other. We're different. We're like friends, you know? But you didn't know we were friends. So I was like, oh, let me just be cool about it.

[B]

Yeah, you were communicating with me.

[A]

By the way, the reason why I'm even here is cause I hired an Etsy witch recently.

[B]

Stop it. Are they still around? I thought they eliminated the Etsy witches.

[A]

Well, she's not really Etsy. I found her through my friend who talked about it on TikTok. She used to date one of my friends, but her and I are so cool. So I saw she talked about it on TikTok, and I texted her. I was like, who's your, like, witch? And so I did, like a. I did, like, a career Growth, like, spell. And like, literally two days later, you were like, are you available? And I was like, oh. And then she said, and then the Etsy witch emailed me the next day saying like, hey, Fariah, your spell's been cast. I was like, oh, see what you want for Sherman back to me.

[B]

That's crazy. No, I've always wanted you, and I've always been like, oh, my God, you

[A]

have on the podcast.

[B]

Always did. And it just. Yeah, it was crazy because it, like, worked out. I was, like, so excited. I was like, oh, my gosh. You're like. Because you're just so smart when we do, like, Hot Topics. I know about, like, the hot topics I know about about, which is like, Shane Dawson or something like that, but I love the ones that are outside.

[A]

Is your life still too.

[B]

Have you not heard his hot topic? His hot topic was does he do Hot Topics? No.

[A]

Does anyone care what Shane Dawson has to say?

[B]

I think we're the only people talking about it. And everyone's like, wow, you're so talking about Shane. I think there was something where Tana did the Netflix documentary. You know the Netflix documentary trend where you, like, sit down and you're like, I didn't.

[A]

Oh, that trend.

[B]

Getting ready to do a documentary about whatever. And she did one with Trevi and, like, getting ready to do a documentary about us being in a Shane Dawson videos. And then Morgan Adams, you know this. Are you in this world?

[A]

I know Morgan Adams, actually, because she is friends with my friend Lindsay. We were at the same wedding together, and I. Oh, yeah.

[B]

What wedding? Can you say or no?

[A]

Yeah, I can say we were in Hawaii for this girl who I was. I was friends with from college. We're still friends.

[B]

Oh, Morgan was there. Yeah.

[A]

And Morgan was there.

[B]

That's so rare. So. And then Morgan commented, and she was like, oh, she's like, well, you. He was your dad basically, saying, like, you thought he was cool when he was, like, helping you out, but now you want to, like, turn against him, basically. And she's like, if he. If you can grow, like, why can't you give him the chance to grow? So everyone is just like, oh, my God. Morgan clapped back, back. And people's, like, argument to that was like, well, Tana was, like, 18 and Shane was, like, 28. And they're like, she's on you and stuff. You know, a little bit of an age gap. Yeah. So I think that was, like, the whole thing. My whole thing was like. I was just. I saw the comment back, and I was like, that's what I was saying earlier, too, is, like, if you did something that, like, hurt someone, right? You don't ever get to, like, be like, oh, just get over it. Like, they can talk about it for as much as they want. Like, if I've hurt somebody and even if I've apologized, it's like, they're allowed to still, like, be mad at me forever. Or, like, groups of people who think I was problematic. Like, I. I'm like, you can still be mad at me. I'm never gonna clap back and be like, I've grown, so just, like, move on from it. It's like, you seem like someone who,

[A]

like, gets over things quickly. What's your sign?

[B]

I'm a Taurus. Okay.

[A]

Love that. I have a lot of Taurus friends.

[B]

It's funny. I. Yes and no. I get over things quickly, but then I can also. I can also hold things on. But I have learned to let it go in my older age.

[A]

Well, if you have, like, children and, like, a life and like, a home.

[B]

Can I say that part? I think once I've been. I used to not have a life. So when I was, like, really angry and, like, yelling at people on the Internet, like, I. Like, I had no life. Like, and that's just what it was. I would be out hours of the night just being like, you're the worst.

[A]

You know what I mean? Okay.

[B]

I mean, I don't know.

[A]

Last time I saw her, she was posting, like, a million videos on TikTok.

[B]

I don't know if she is. I hope so.

[A]

I hope so, too. I do wish her the best.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I feel YouTube just, like, died, babe. I was.

[B]

Why do you think that? Were you ever into YouTube?

[A]

I was. I was like. I watched Shane Dawson videos in, like, high school. I remember when he did. What was that character? He would do? Shenanig.

[B]

That was, like, a little problematic. His characters were a little problematic.

[A]

And then he did the Degrassi reboot that were so crazy. I know.

[B]

I've never seen that. I never even seen Degrassi. And I know that's my generation, too, but I've never seen Degrassi.

[A]

Oh, my God. Degrassi taught me everything I needed to know.

[B]

Oh, you loved it. You were a Degrassi person.

[A]

Oh, yeah. That's how I discovered Drake. I'm not like these other girls who heard Drake on the radio one day. Like, I was like, oh, that's Aubrey Graham.

[B]

And do you still love Aubrey Graham?

[A]

Yes. I'm sorry. I do love Drake. Love Drake. I was Never on Kendrick's side. You know why? I'll tell you why.

[B]

I don't even know.

[A]

Because the allegations were all, like, woman beating allegations.

[B]

Who had Kendrick.

[A]

Drake accused Kendrick of woman beating.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Accused Drake of like. And it was like. And we were all having, like, a bad person off. And I was like. And then somehow Kendrick won this war. And it was like, wait, but what do you mean everyone had bad allegations. This is the rap.

[B]

Are you a Drake defender?

[A]

I'm not a defender. Being a Drake fan is knowing that he's unserious and corny and he will embarrass you. And you just got to know that Swifties could really learn from that. I like that way the Swifties the Swifties could learn from. Because the Swifties will never admit to either. The wedding was tacky and no shade. And it was. But they can't even tell you that it's tacky. They can't even say, like, love my diva. But this was really off. They can never admit it. They never would have. No. Oh, no. I was at this really nice wedding in Brazil and everyone's like, are you at Taylor Swift's wedding? And I was like, nah, this wedding has class. No.

[B]

Like, we didn't see pictures. Did you see any pictures? I saw some of the inside.

[A]

I hope so. With all the money in the world. And I love Taylor. You know what's so funny? I actually. People think I hate Taylor Swift. I don't.

[B]

Do people think that? I never knew that. Oh, no.

[A]

I just don't think Taylor Swift music has been good in the last, like, three years.

[B]

Maybe it's why you and Oscar are not close anymore. Because we got swifty one over here.

[A]

I was hating swifty behavior way back when. But the one thing I admire about

[B]

you guys aren't close. They're still close. They talk to each other. He's always like, oh, I talk to him all the time.

[A]

But I just don't like the Swifty audience. But the one thing I love about

[B]

Taylor Swift makes sense.

[A]

Me and Taylor have a lot in common. She loves attention just as much as I do, and I love. I respect it. Now she just does it in this really tacky way.

[B]

Yeah, I guess money doesn't always buy taste. I don't know if she's tacky or not. I don't really have a say in any of it, but so you so do. I don't. I just the one person. I don't really have an opinion either way. And not. That's definitely not Shade either. I just don't know. It's like, I don't. I know there's people that, like, dislike her and there's people love her. I don't get the love. I don't get the obsession. I don't get the hate either. I'm like, I don't really know.

[A]

Who do you stand? Do you stand anyone besides yourself?

[B]

I don't know if I even Stan myself. Who do I Stan? Maybe I don't stand anyone anymore. Britney Spear. I'm so millennial.

[A]

My neighbor. Doesn't she live.

[B]

She does. Love Lives down the street. Why don't you barbecue or something at cvs? Actually, I've seen her a couple times at cvs.

[A]

Is she doing good?

[B]

Yeah, she was, like, with some guys, she always seems like she's like, I think she's doing fine.

[A]

Okay, that's good.

[B]

No, I don't know. But I love her. I don't really stand people, I guess, anymore. I don't know. How about you? Who's your biggest Stan?

[A]

I don't really Stan people anymore either. I don't think I ever. Well, you know what? When I was in eighth grade, I was so obsessed with Lauren Conrad. Why?

[B]

That's so random. You cannot judge any Taylor Swifty fan because Lauren Conrad is.

[A]

Well, Lauren Conrad is kind of my Taylor Swift.

[B]

They're giving same energy where it's just like. I don't get it. They.

[A]

No, I went to her book signing

[B]

and everything and what did you say to her?

[A]

I was like, I totally, like, I short circuited. You know what? Yes, I do.

[B]

What is she doing?

[A]

She lives in. You know what? I actually ran into her, like, two back in, like, 2022, randomly. I was at Three Arch beach in Laguna.

[B]

What's Three Arch Beach Beach? I don't even know.

[A]

It's like this private beach in Laguna beach and can only access through a gate, so I'm assuming she lives in the gated community. But it's so funny. I was on the beach and I saw this little boy and I was like, he looks so familiar. And I think I'd been creeping on her instagra, like, maybe days ago.

[B]

Oh, so she's, like, recognized.

[A]

And I was like, who's this little boy? And I was like, he looks familiar. And then I look back and it's Lauren Conrad and her husband. And they're just, like, chilling and, like, doing whatever. No, she was like, I want to respect her privacy.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I love that because she's not trying to be famous.

[B]

Is she not out of the spotlight. Now she doesn't have a podcast.

[A]

Well, she did the Laguna beach stuff and, like, she did the recommended press tour for that, but she doesn't. She posts like, once a year. I think this year she had to post like 3 times a year because she was doing that Laguna beach thing.

[B]

Wait, why do you think they do that? Like, you think they're just over the fame and they just don't want it anymore?

[A]

I think she's honestly so traumatized from, like, being famous in the, like, the late 2000s. Like, you know, she was famous during, like, the Hills was during that. Like Lindsay Lohan. Like, yeah, when everyone is get. When there was no Uber and everyone's getting a dui, baby.

[B]

So, like, yeah, you're right.

[A]

And like, you know, you know, she had those fake sex tape rumors, and I feel like it was just so chaotic that she stepped back and like, I think if she's just promoting her clothing line or whatever she's doing, that's when she's in the spotlight. But, like, I just don't think she ever wanted to be super famous, really.

[B]

So you think, what do you. Of all the people from the Hills, who do you think has the best? Like, right. Kristin Cavallari has a podcast. Heidi. And sponsor a podcast. Like, who do you think has done the best? Oh, yeah, they have, like, Spidey, what I think it's called.

[A]

Oh, okay. I think Kristen's doing the best because Kristin's, like, out there. But I would say Lauren is like. Lauren and Kristin are like, the same. I feel like Lauren Conrad still has an audience. She still has her clothing line at Kohl's.

[B]

Does she really?

[A]

Yeah, she's had it for over 10 years. Is it cute? I don't. I don't shop at Kohl's. I don't, like, I don't. I can't wear Lauren.

[B]

Did you do Walmart or Kohl's?

[A]

I never. I don't think I've ever walked inside of a Kohl's.

[B]

Not even going to school as a kid. Like, I feel like Kohl's is like the back school place with 20% off coupons to send you in the mail. Like, I love that.

[A]

No. I grew up in a white neighborhood, so I was going to like, pacsun

[B]

and like, oh, and on the west coast too. Cause I grew up in the Midwest. We were pretty white back there, but we didn't have a pacsun. So maybe like a West coast had pacsun. We were Kohl's for sure.

[A]

Pacsun Like Tilly's. That's where I would do my shopping.

[B]

Oh, that's so, like, West Coast. That's so, like, stripper.

[A]

I shop a lot at, like, Nordstrom, Macy's, I guess. Abercrombie. I was like, I worked at Abercrombie. I was in Abercrombie.

[B]

You worked at Abercrombie? Was this when they had the bags with the hot guys on it with their abs and stuff like that? Oh, I love that.

[A]

When I was a senior in high school, I worked there for, like, two and a half years.

[B]

They're kind of making a comeback. Remember, they hated fat people? And now they're back. Yeah, they're like, we have 16s now. Oh, my God.

[A]

Wait, did you ever see the Netflix documentary? And they were like, yeah, they got mad at me. She's like, I was traumatized because they made fun of me for not wearing the jeans and me and all. I'm still friends with a lot of people that I worked with at Abercrombie because we were all really young. And me and my friend were like, okay. That was like, her trauma. Like, girl, it was social suicide if you didn't wear the jeans. And also, like, could she.

[B]

I couldn't even fit in them. I did a whole video. I had a crash out in, like, 2010 when he said they hated fat people. And I was like, well, your clothes are ugly anyways, because I could not fit into them when I was a kid. And I was so sad about it because they never went up above a size, like 10, I think.

[A]

Yeah, it was really bad back then.

[B]

Yeah, it was crazy.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It made me sad.

[A]

Did it?

[B]

Yes. I like it. It is trauma.

[A]

So where'd you have to go?

[B]

American Eagle? Yeah. No, no, I was going. Where did I go? Hold on. Wait.

[A]

Justice.

[B]

Lane. Brian.

[A]

Wait, where?

[B]

Lane Bryant.

[A]

What's Lane Bryant?

[B]

Oh, my God. If you don't even know Lane Bryant, then you can't even talk to me about trauma, because that is trauma. That was basically across from the Abercrombie. There was like, a Mad tv. Do you remember Mad tv? There was a Mad TV skit where it was the hot guys at Abercrombie, and then the Lane Bryant girls would come over and they're. You're all over a size 16. If you're at Lane Bryant. Like, it's. It's 16 and up, basically.

[A]

So is that, like Mean Girls? The mean girls equivalent, like Tri Sears?

[B]

Yes, yes, Very much that. It was very much that. And it was like. It was also, for like older women. So I had to go in there as a young child to have like a size 16. It was awful. But you've always been good looking and fit, so you don't even know the trauma of being.

[A]

You never know.

[B]

Maybe. I don't know.

[A]

I could have been obese.

[B]

I'm guessing not if you were working at Abercrombie. I was like, you were not.

[A]

But my mom told me years ago, she says when I was like one or two, I was getting a little bit overweight. Cause she hired this Nigerian babysitter nanny for me. And then the doctor was like, he's gaining all this weight. And she knew it was cause of the food that nanny was making. So she fired me.

[B]

Was it good food or was it like those Keltie bars from like, Mean Girls?

[A]

I don't even remember. It was like, meals. She was making, like, meals.

[B]

Oh, she was making just good food. How old were you? You were two.

[A]

One, two or three? Yeah, I mean, I was so.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I was like three or four, actually.

[B]

I was like, baby fat. And people just have baby fat, by the way.

[A]

I can't believe you're a mother. I was thinking about this about you the other day. I'm like, so, like, do you have, like, mom friends? Like, what's your day to day? Like, what time do you get up? Like, are you, like, strict? Like, what do you do? Like, what's your vibe?

[B]

I need a mom group. I do need mom group. I need to call, like, Meghan Trainor, Ashley Tisdale or something like that.

[A]

Oh, my God. You need to be in that mom. You know there's an opening.

[B]

I know. I thought about that too. They were at the Hillary Duff concert, Mandy Moore. And I was like, I need to

[A]

go to be friends with them.

[B]

I don't know how. I can't. I don't think I can get in that group. I know.

[A]

I heard Hilary Duff is like the creme de la creme of the group. Like, they really all look up to Mandy Moore and Hillary Duff.

[B]

Oh, for sure. Well, probably because they're the famous ones at the group.

[A]

So that's probably why there's other famous people in there.

[B]

Who else is in that group?

[A]

Actually, I guess there's like a food influencer. Who's there? Who, like, some people know.

[B]

Is there a food influencer?

[A]

It's a Berry typewriter. And Meghan Trainor.

[B]

Oh, is she in the. I thought she was in the group.

[A]

Meghan Trainor is in the group? Yeah. No, Ashley Tissel's the one who left, by the way? Ashley Tistel was so in the wrong about that.

[B]

Do you think?

[A]

1,000%.

[B]

Wait, why? For doing the article.

[A]

I think, like, okay, I love when celebrities do op EDS because you get more insight into their personalities. But the moment she said she left the group chat, when she sent the message being like, this isn't for me, and left the group chat, I was like, oh, she's the problem.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And then remember when she was like, oh. And then, like, someone sent me flowers because I felt bad, and then, like, I said thank you. They never responded. I was like, wait, so what was they supposed to say? Thank you to your thank you.

[B]

Oh, right. That. That's true. I guess the whole, like, details of it was a little weird. And I was like, I think, though, because now she has a show based on a mom group. A toxic mom. Dude. Do you think she was doing it for publicity?

[A]

Wait, she does?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

On what streaming service?

[B]

I mean, it's like Hulu or Apple or something like that. It's like a big one. We talked about it a couple weeks ago.

[A]

Shut up.

[B]

I have to watch Green Lit. Like, yeah, no, it's like, scripted. And then I was like, what if she did all that? Because, like, why would you do the article? Why would you do all this stuff like that? To get the show or to, like, get her show going?

[A]

Wait, I don't know. Maybe. I feel like maybe that inspired her, though, because that was like, months ago. Well, I guess it was this year.

[B]

So maybe you're right, because the series takes a minute to get scripted and greenlit and all that stuff like that.

[A]

But do you think she's, like, excommunicated from the LA mom groups of all? Because, like, if I was an LA mom and she was writing about and I found out she was writing about Hilary Duff and like, the cut, I'd be like, well, I'm not inviting her to my kids house.

[B]

I guess. I guess. Yeah, you're kind of like. And I guess West Millennials love Hilary Duff, so I'm gonna go side with Hilary Duff on that. But I love Ashley Tisdale, too.

[A]

I know. I love her.

[B]

Her and Haley Duff could start a little mom group. Did they? I think they had a play date after that. I think they were.

[A]

Oh, yeah. They were like, photographed at Nobu. I'm like, okay, stunt queen. You're right. Maybe it is.

[B]

As I'm saying, I was like, I think it all is a little too. A little too. I don't know. But I do love Hilary Duff. Although she did go on there. She was doing rounds and she was doing the podcast, and I was really trying to get her on here, and she went on. I mean, Therapist is the one.

[A]

I know. Well, you need to. To get on Therapist. I have more plans for your career, I think.

[B]

Okay, I love this.

[A]

I love.

[B]

What else?

[A]

Housewives. And then you promote being on Housewives on Therapist.

[B]

You think he's the it podcast right now? Like, definitely.

[A]

Yeah, I would say so.

[B]

Are you gonna go on it? If Jake Shane DMs, you, would you DM them back?

[A]

To be honest, I would DM him back. I'd be like, yeah, this is my number one.

[B]

Kind of like Alex, Earl, Jake, Shane. They are kind of like the.

[A]

I love that he's like, a girl's gay. I think it's so funny. Like, there's this idea that just because you're gay, you have to be friends with other gays. And, like, you have to be loyal to that. And it's like. But other gays are mean.

[B]

I say that's like. Yeah, that's not even a thing anymore. I think most gays want to be friends with girls. Like, it's very. Because it's like a lot of gay on gay hate out there. You know, every.

[A]

Like, most gays. I know, it's like jealousy.

[B]

I think it is. And that's. I know they need. It needs to stop. I feel like. I feel like that's why Jake Shane does get a lot of hate. Because sometimes I think it is from, like, the outside gaze.

[A]

Right. But I don't think he gives a. Like, I'm with Sofia Richie. Like, I'm not gonna hang out with you.

[B]

That's true. He's like, I got my girl. That is so true. I know. Todrick hall used to get a lot of hate, too. I remember when his show came out and everyone. The real gay of WeHo, and all the gays were like, we hate this.

[A]

I do hate that sh. I hate that concept, though. I hate that concept, though, because I don't know, there's something about it that's so gimmicky.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It makes the gays look bad almost.

[B]

Oh, you think? Okay, I like it. I always wanted a gay Love Island. I wish there was more queer.

[A]

The thing about people complain that there's no love on Love island now. If they made gay Love island, oh,

[B]

my God, that would be everything. That'd be way better. I feel you better.

[A]

Hope everyone actually gets tested, though. That's crazy.

[B]

If you could say the same thing. Though I feel like it's.

[A]

It would be a lot of sex.

[B]

I think they test people. I think before they go on things, I think they test people for std.

[A]

No, I know. They just. They better triple dog Chuck.

[B]

Like, sponsored by Mr. I mean, that would be a great one.

[A]

Mr. Founder. Should be the Mr. Founder. I feel like just came out of nowhere.

[B]

Oh, my God. Speaking of. Okay, so the last event I was gonna go to was a Mr. One. They had one at the Abbey. It was, like, kind of like the big one. And I didn't end up going, why

[A]

did I get invited to that? Forget drink update. I always want to go to that. Because I'm like, needy. Leaks was there. I'm like, wait. And Cardi B is there. I'm like, wait, I should have bought it. This is gay Hate. Why is no one inviting me?

[B]

And I'll tell you why. Probably because you were at the Abbey, and you're like, look, no one's here. You were in an empty app.

[A]

It was before that. It was before that.

[B]

What happened? Where?

[A]

Where?

[B]

Like, you were at the Abbey, and literally nobody was there. You're like, Lisa Rinna effect. Look at this.

[A]

It was like a Sunday, like, night. Like, it was like.

[B]

But nobody was there.

[A]

No one was there.

[B]

That was crazy.

[A]

I know.

[B]

What time was it? It looked like it was closing. Like, it didn't even look like it was, like.

[A]

It wasn't that late. I want to say it was like, maybe six or seven.

[B]

There was not.

[A]

But I think Sunday fund had just ended. I don't know.

[B]

It was empty. I was like, how is that?

[A]

Oh, And I feel like a lot of people were at, like, San Diego Pride. Or not San Diego Pride. Some other Paw Springs Pride. Like, all the gays were doing something else.

[B]

And you were just there by yourself.

[A]

I was there with my friend who was in town. She loves. She's obsessed with Vanderpump rules. So every time she's in town, she's like, let's go to sur. And I'm like, oh, fine. Now.

[B]

Is Sur still around?

[A]

Yeah, it's still around.

[B]

Where is that? Is that still on? It's still on Robertson.

[A]

It's on Robertson. Yeah.

[B]

But pump is gone.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Pump is like rooster fish. Which is like, I hate that it's there. It's like they don't know what to

[B]

do with that space, man. I loved pump. I love their lobster pasta. And then during COVID the lobster, and I was like, this is the end of pump for me.

[A]

And then the car ran through Pump.

[B]

Oh, the car.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

He's like, oh, did someone crash into it?

[A]

Yeah, someone crashed into it.

[B]

You think it was, like, a hater.

[A]

You know what? There's conspiracies that. Lisa Vanderpump plans her own restaurant attack so she can get insurance money.

[B]

There's a conspiracy about conspiracy.

[A]

She's had, like, seven fires at her restaurants that are, like, put out.

[B]

And, like, what about TomTom? Is that still going?

[A]

Tom. Tom is still there, but the vibe is kind of gone. Cause the show's not around anymore. And Tom and Tom are so Persona. Like, they're just so not cool anymore.

[B]

So Vanderpump Trump Rules is over?

[A]

Yeah, it's over. Now there's a show called the Valley. I guess you could be on the Valley, but I wouldn't want you to be on the Valley. I would want you to be on Real Housewives. Because it's more glam to be on Real Housewives. Being on the Valley is depressing. The Valley is, like, depressing. The Valley is great. Birth control.

[B]

The Valley is that. I watch the Men, and I'm just like, ew. They're musty and dusty. I hate that show. I've just seen clips of it. I'm like, this show's, like, the worst.

[A]

You're like, a fun, light, airy. Everyone in that show is, like, really miserable except for the single people.

[B]

Yes. And it's. It's. That's the one that Brittany's on for you guys.

[A]

Yeah, Brittany's there.

[B]

She's the only one I really knew. And then I started watching the other ones, and I'm like, oh, my God, are these women okay? Like, it's just the men being awful.

[A]

You would put that show, like, back on the map, though.

[B]

I could do. I guess technically, I live in the Valley.

[A]

No, you need to do Housewives.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Because the Housewives live in the Valley, too. Like, Kyle's in Encino.

[A]

Yeah, Kyle's in Encino.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

One's in, like, Canoga park or something, too. I don't know which one. I'm like, oh, I kind of love that. They're, like, outside of. I know.

[A]

Like, you all could eat at Stanley's or something.

[B]

Yeah. Joey's Woodland Hills. Like, here we go. I would actually love. I. I mean, maybe I would.

[A]

You would be. Honestly, people would die for you on House.

[B]

Okay. So.

[A]

And at BravoCon, you could perform. They'd let you perform.

[B]

Oh, well, that's. I would love to do that. First of all, that's where we were getting at the BravoCon of it all. So you don't get. You said you don't get.

[A]

I know I got invited to BravoCon

[B]

this week, but what Bravo event did you not get invited to that? You're like, hey, what the hell? Cause you were like, I was side eyeing them.

[A]

It's not that I don't get invited, but I find out about it and then I have to ask someone and I'm like, why couldn't they just remember me?

[B]

Oh, I see.

[A]

Well.

[B]

Cause you are kind of like the Bravo influencer. Like, you do know, like Summer House, you know?

[A]

Right. You and Summerhouse would also be crazy.

[B]

What is Summer House again? You said that was the singles.

[A]

Summer House is basically the show. You have to live in New York to be on it. But they all go to the Hamptons every weekend and they, like, party and like, whatever, and they all share rooms and, you know, they like, somewhat sleep with each other too. But like.

[B]

Oh, yeah, but they get off the show for me. I want to go on Love island. Just because they get so many brand deals after they get off Love Island. Okay, you're a Love Island Stan too, because you were just showing like a whole Hot Topic rundown. You were at a nickelandria party recently. Was that the one where you were Zac Efron?

[A]

Oh, that was the Synergy Kombucha party where I saw Tana.

[B]

Oh, where was that? Where was that?

[A]

It was like downtown. It was like a Halloween party. And I went there and I saw Nickel and I voted for nickelandria. I built nickelandria brick by brick. Really?

[B]

You loved him from the beginning.

[A]

I knew it was a slow burn. People would like to say they got together randomly. Only haters say that. Sorry.

[B]

Okay, so tell me.

[A]

And I met. I had a video with them. I was like, I saw Landrack, Alandra, I voted for you. I told everyone in the streets to vote for Nickelander.

[B]

And she said, how was she? She was nice.

[A]

She was so nice. Nick was so nice. I took a video with them. I dropped my phone literally five minutes after I took the video. I saved it as a draft in TikTok. My phone went to black. Never turned back on. Never turned back on. It took me 24 hours to get

[B]

a whole new phone. TikTok has that glitch. Not glitch, but they have that thing where it's like, if you get a new phone, it won't do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or something I like. So wait, so you're like a Love Island Stan? They Just broke up. Thoughts on it?

[A]

Please respect my privacy.

[B]

You were really sad. No. Were you shocked? I don't watch it.

[A]

Of course I was shocked. I'm the president of Nickel and Relation Nation.

[B]

I don't doubt that people, like, get together. They like each other. But obviously you all go on that show for brand deals. You couple up knowing, like, this is our brand for a year, and now after a year, they, like, broke up. It's like, okay, well, obviously that was for.

[A]

But, you know, I think they were love.

[B]

You really think that?

[A]

They were in so much love.

[B]

I shouldn't say anything because I know there's lots of fans out there that I want to get hate.

[A]

There's nothing but love and respect between them. They'll get back together like Tom and Zendaya did.

[B]

No, I think outside perspective and I don't know. I think she just blew up because obviously I don't watch Love Island. Don't know anyone from Love Island. The only person I knew was Orlandria, and because she was at Vanity Fair and you're just like, oh, my God, this girl really blew up, like, overnight gorgeous. Everything that everyone loves her. So it's like, obviously you have to have a little jealousy because he probably wanted that too, right? You go on Love island, everybody wants to be famous. So he sees her blow up any. She blows up.

[A]

She's more famous than him. Yeah.

[B]

I didn't know he was a thing. I thought. For a while I thought her name was Nickelandria. Like, I thought that was her name. And then someone's like, oh, no, it's Nick and Alandra. I was like, I only know.

[A]

And Alandra just goes by one name. She's very like, Beyonce, which that's iconic.

[B]

Like, you have to be at the superstar level to have that.

[A]

So it's one name or three names.

[B]

What's the three names? Who has a three name?

[A]

Oh, my God. Mary Kate Olson.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love that that's the first one you think of. I see what you're saying. Yeah. Do you like Mary Kate and Ashley?

[A]

Of course. I grew up. Those are my girls. I grew up with them. I had all the DVDs at all.

[B]

The Mary Kate Ashley Olsen fandom is very strange.

[A]

They've totally, like, tried to run away from. It's like, I saw It Takes Two. Don't act like you. I know you're smoking cigarettes now, but don't act like you never filmed It Takes Two.

[B]

I mean, I don't know the lore of any of them, but I appreciate

[A]

the they'd like you, too.

[B]

I don't know. Millennials are so interesting. Like, I do see in so many millennial females. I just don't know.

[A]

Do you have any secret celebrity fans who are, like, celebrities who are fans of you?

[B]

Secret celebrity fans? No, I think if I did, they would be on here. I don't think. I don't think Chapel Ron, for a minute before she blew up. She used to talk about me and, like, interviews, like, Nylon magazine. She'd be like, I'd have Malibu Barbie and Trisha Paytas, like, you know, be my opener or something like that, or, like, halftime show. And I was like, oh, that's cool. But then she blew up and got really big. She almost. We almost had her here back when she was really big. What was it, two years ago? We were so close. And what happened? I don't know. I think she's had a cancel.

[A]

Maybe for the best.

[B]

I. I still love her. I'm still a fan. But, yeah, maybe I like her.

[A]

I just am like, can you please stop complaining? Like, you're famous now. Like, Sabrina Carpenter's not complaining. And you.

[B]

I think it's the same effect of, like, Lauren Conrad where they get really famous. They didn't want to be that famous. They were like, no, I don't want to be this famous.

[A]

She should have. She definitely should have been Slater famous like you perform at that time.

[B]

I love Slater.

[A]

Oh, I love Slater Coachella.

[B]

She's so iconic, and I feel like there is a Slater famous, but I think she should be so famous. Like, I think Slater is, like, should have.

[A]

Slater wants what Chapel wants. Chapel wants it. Slater wants. And they should all do a Freaky Friday.

[B]

Oh, that would be everything. And Slater is so. But then, do you ever worry then that they become that super famous and then they change a little? Because I don't think that people know what to expect when you get super famous.

[A]

I think, like, it's hard. I feel like this generation, like, doesn't love fame the way, like, we want it. No one's built like us.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. The millennials, like, especially my age, like, the Hilary, Dustin, that's like, they're what, Lindsay Lohans?

[A]

They wanted it.

[B]

They wanted the fame. They wanted to be seen with, like, at the clubs, everything like that. And I think Paris Hilton, too, is a good example. Like, loves the fame. And you're right.

[A]

I think people, they just don't like Olivia Rodrigo. Does she want it? She wants it. And, oh, actually, Justin Bieber's A great example. Justin Bieber is very good at pretending to love his fans, but he hates fame.

[B]

No, you think.

[A]

Oh, he's so good at pretending.

[B]

You think he's kind of everywhere now. He's kind of at the World Cup, Coachella. He's kind of everywhere again.

[A]

Well, it's Christian propaganda, like. Oh, absolutely.

[B]

Who's pushing him? Jesus. Yeah, honestly, like, who's pushing him? You think that.

[A]

I think he's just, like, you know, he's indoctrined by Hillsong. Who knows what's Hillsong? It's like this church that all the celebs go to. I remember him and Selena Gomez used to go when they were being godly.

[B]

Oh, is it the one. Is it kind of a bougie one, like in Bel Air or something like that? Is it that church?

[A]

I don't know if. If it's in Bel Air. I thought it was in the Valley. I could be wrong.

[B]

Okay, I know There was one with, like, giant screens that everybody was.

[A]

And then there's, like, church home.

[B]

I don't know that one.

[A]

I went to church home once.

[B]

Oh, you're so in tune with us. Okay, so wait, why. Why did. Just because.

[A]

Well, I heard that Justin Bieber would perform, so.

[B]

Do you like Justin Bieber?

[A]

I like Purpose. Anything before, like, Purpose. Okay, I love Purpose. But, like, anything before that, too.

[B]

I don't know what that is, but okay, that's like, his main album, his big album.

[A]

What do you. Do you mean.

[B]

Oh, okay, that's what I mean.

[A]

And then it's like he had that other song. Is it too late now to say sorry? Okay, I should leave the song.

[B]

No, that's great. Are you a singer? You sounded good. No, I thought that was pretty good. Did you go to Beaverchella?

[A]

I did, and I was so annoyed I stayed up for his set. It was so boring.

[B]

Wait, really? I didn't watch, but it was just really boring. Oh, no. So you lost to Bieber Fever?

[A]

I was, like, really late to Neon Carnival, and I was like.

[B]

But I heard that was kind of lame. This year. I don't go to Coachella, but that looks.

[A]

So the thing about Neon Carnival, you have to get there kind of when it starts, and that's when you have, like, the maximum fun. Yeah, I always skip the Saturday person at Coachella because I'm like, I don't really care that much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or like. Like, I remember Billie Eilish did it one year. I was like, okay, well, I, like, love Billie Eilish, but I don't like, need to see Billie Eilish.

[B]

I like to. So you just like to go to the parties and, like, hang out and be amongst the people?

[A]

I like to see who I want to see. Like, I really want to see Addison Rae. I've been. I've been rooting for Addison Rae.

[B]

I love Addison, too.

[A]

Love Addison.

[B]

Ray is such a queen. Love her so much.

[A]

Damascun.

[B]

I think she was at David Dobrik's party. I think allegedly. I think I saw it.

[A]

That's okay. Addison's like our new birdie.

[B]

Okay, you're right.

[A]

We give her a pass.

[B]

You're right. Okay. Okay.

[A]

David Dobrik to me is like the Leonardo DiCaprio of Hollywood for this generation, because it's like everyone's always with him, partying with him at a secret after party.

[B]

I would give another example, but I won't say because I don't want to get sued. I would give a YouTube, but we can bleep that.

[A]

Have you ran into David Dobrik in years?

[B]

Never.

[A]

Wait, remind me, what did you do to, like, upset these men who aren't famous anymore? Like, they should be sucking your. Honestly.

[B]

Honestly.

[A]

And keep that in there because I mean it. I'm like, they're really so mad that, like, you were going off.

[B]

What was it? I. It was. Oh. Oh, well, I mean, this is. People hate when I talk. It's like, talk about not letting something go. Me being like, I'm never letting it go, but I'm asking you.

[A]

So it's like.

[B]

I mean, TL doctor. I learned that term from Oscar. TL doctor is just. They made a lot. You know what it was. It came back to Tana, actually. They made a lot of inappropriate jokes about Tana, who was very young at the time, who was like, 19. I was 29. And they both were making disgusting sexual jokes about Tana and me.

[A]

Like, off cam.

[B]

No, on cam, which was even worse.

[A]

And it was put in t post. Me too.

[B]

Yes. Yes, it was. It was bad. It was really bad. And I was like. The first time they did it that week, I was like, that's not cool. Delete it. They kept it in. Oh, sorry. Whatever. Then the second time, so basically, they kind of, like, got me out. They're like, okay, no more filming with Trish after that. So then they went and did it again two days later with Madison Beer and Tana. And they're both young at the time. I didn't. I never blamed the girls. I always stood by the girls. I was like, that's so gross. They were being creepy and being like trying to again making sexual things. And I was like. So then I was like, what the? Like, why did you do it again? And then they basically like said, we'll get over it. And I was like, oh, hell no. So I didn't. Made a whole explosive video. And I was just like, well, let me tell you about this. This and this in the vlog spot. This, this and this and this and this. And how awful you guys all are. And I should have done it earlier. I should have because people like, why would you have like waited just until they pissed you off? And I was like, yeah, I should have done earlier, but I was like dating somebody in that group and I was like trying to like, I don't know, you just, you just think to go with it, but that was like too far for me. And I remember the Tana situation. She. They actually had her come over and I remember her being like uncomfortable. I like pretended to sl and her being uncomfortable, like, whatever. And you know, Tanner's like, this is why I kind of like stand by Tana still too. And I love Tana. I love Tana.

[A]

She's a cancer. So I feel like we also have like a sister vibe.

[B]

Your birthday just happened. Happy birthday. It was right before Aquaman's birthday. He was. I went into labor July 11th and I had him at midnight. Yeah, had him at like 7-14-20. Yeah. So.

[A]

And Oscar is July something.

[B]

July 14th.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yes. I do love my little cancer babies. There's a lot of cancers in my life that are there. Shane's a cancer as well. I love him at a time, you

[A]

know what I mean? So close to that.

[B]

But with the whole thing with T, Tana is like, I do defend her because she's talking about the Shane videos and it's. She was young, like she started to be an influencer at 15. People started collabing with her at 16, 17. And yeah, doing weird sexual stuff like peeing on me. Like Shane is having 18 year old Tana pee on her. And it's like, yes, of course. Tana is like going along with it at the time because like what 18 year old isn't like she doesn't.

[A]

She's trying to blow up. Yeah, of course.

[B]

So you kind of just go with it and you know, whatever. There's just stuff that happens. So I always like, people defend her because I'm like, damn. She really got put through like a lot of obviously like she knows she's been like done problematic stuff. I've done it, you know, like, people have done it. It's like owning up to it, trying

[A]

to knows, like, who her icons are. Like, yeah.

[B]

And she. And people say that, and it's like, it's fine to idolize, but do you see where that the problem is? Is she idolized Shane and then that happened. And she still feels some type of way about it now at 28 years old. And I think that's okay. And I think that too. And people love to come be like, well, Trisha's problematic too. And it's like, yes, I was. And I'm okay with people still being mad at me for stuff that I did in my bed. It's totally fine. Like, it's fine. It's like, you. You have to live with that forever. So all the people trolling on the Internet right now, I always say, be careful. You will live with that forever because you can change. You can grow, you can have kids and also like that. And you can change as a person. I'm sure Shane has changed as a person. I don't know. I don't really watch his content. I'm sure he changes a person, but doesn't negate the fact that you also, like, affected people in a negative way. And you just got to, like, you just got to take it. You can't. So I think for Morgan to, like, I never tell my sister or anybody to, like, defend me. I'm like, you know what? You just got to take it. I did some stupid back in the day, and that's it. You got to, like, just own up to it forever.

[A]

Right. And like, the people who are for you are for you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, you're not. I hope you're not living to please anybody.

[B]

No. No. Well, maybe. I don't know. Maybe not. Sometimes I. I think now that I have, like, a nice little, like, young, younger fan base, I try to, like, you know, do better so they don't feel like. You know what I mean? See a little art. Like, I want them to be like, she, she. I think. Cause I was such a mess. I think I was so messy. Like, messy. I was so unhappy. I was so miserable that I want people to be like, oh, you can find happiness. So I try really hard now for myself, but also I want people to be like, you can change. You don't have to be a mess always. You know what I mean? But you're like a cute, messy. I think you have, like, the right kind of messy.

[A]

I've grown too.

[B]

You're the Wendy William messy. Where People are like, it's endearing. I think if it's me, it's like, she's a piece of. I think if it's you, it's like, it's endearing.

[A]

People do, like, get mad, like. Like, whatever I have to say.

[B]

Do they? On what? No, because you're, like, literally reporting at a sinkhole from West Hollywood. Which are you by you live?

[A]

I'm right by there. I wasn't affected by the sinkhole, but if. Well, I was affected by, like, my walking, my walkability, my driving. But, like, my car didn't drown. Like, I didn't fall and slip in a sinkhole and bend the water.

[B]

Are those people? Okay, the two people fell in.

[A]

Well, the news should be reporting on that, right?

[B]

Did they not?

[A]

Not really. I mean, I didn't see it anywhere. All I saw were these two guys being like, it's a tragic day on Sunset.

[B]

Oh, my. It was. It was so scary. I remember being like, what the hell's happening?

[A]

Because they drove from the IE to go to the Supreme Store that was, like, on the corner. So they were like, there's no parking. The Supreme Store is closed.

[B]

You should be boots on the ground. With, like, a microphone and, like, interviewing people.

[A]

Well, I let the news, like, interview me. I was so pissed because I was coming back from, like, I walked to the Equinox down the street. So I was, like, so mad because, like, this news reporter came up to me. He's like, I can. Can we please interview you? And I was like, fine.

[B]

Wait, were you on the news?

[A]

I didn't even go to look. I don't even.

[B]

Oh, I wanna see. What did they say? What did they ask?

[A]

They were just like, how has this affected you? And I was. And I said, like, oh, my God. Can't go to dialogue. Like, can't.

[B]

Did you say that?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Were you trolling?

[A]

Yeah, I was trolling.

[B]

Oh, my God, that's so funny.

[A]

I really mean that. Like, I mean, see, Like, I'm so annoying. Like, nothing really affected me. Like, it was just kind of like, oh, I have to drive around, go down San Vicente. Like, my friend lives in Laurel Canyon, and we always, like, have, like, last minute, like, hangouts. So, like, it takes me, like, 15 minutes to get to her house, but it's like 30 minutes. I gotta go. She asked me to give her a ride home the other day. We were, like, at Melrose, eating at some restaurant. She's like, can you give me a ride? I was like, no, I would buy a sinkhole. You Gotta take yourself.

[B]

Oh, my God. So is it completely cleared up now?

[A]

It's cleared up now, yeah. People can go through what happened?

[B]

It just bursted. Busted. What happened?

[A]

It was a 110-year-old water main that just like randomly bursted at like 5am if that happened like in the afternoon, like, that would have been such a big deal. People would've died.

[B]

Do you think like, WeHo and stuff is like. Like Melrose. You said you had lunch at Melrose. Do you think that's. Cause, you know, I was looking at. I was on a site TikTok where everyone was getting like robbed in their car on Melrose. And I was like, what is happening? Because, like, Melrose used to be so safe.

[A]

I went to Coyote something. El Coyote. I went to El Coyote and that was like a fun local bar. I don't know. It's so weird.

[B]

I love that you went there. That's also the place. The last place Sharon Tate went before she got was killed.

[A]

Wait, who?

[B]

Sharon Tate.

[A]

Oh, my.

[B]

Wait, do you know her? No.

[A]

Tell me about her.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Wait, what? Okay, okay. Sharon Tate was like a famous actress. Quentin Tarantino did the movie Margot. Robert played her. Charles Manson. They did the whole. What was the movie called? Hilary Duff played her too. There was a couple there's called Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. And then Hilary Duff played her.

[A]

Oh, wait, I've seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I fell asleep halfway through, though.

[B]

Well, and it was also not historically accurate because she lived and they, like Leonardo DiCaprio, ended up, like, fighting off the Manson killers. Austin Butler was one of the killers and stuff like that. It was like this whole thing. Anyways, she ate her last meal with El Coyote, which is like right next to the Quentin Tarantino theater. Anyways, it's very old. It's very.

[A]

Where would you want your last meal to be?

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Like restaurant buy Puerto Rico. Guess Benihana.

[A]

Is there a good Benihana in the Valley?

[B]

Encino. The Encino one is great. There's no windows, so you feel like you're in Vegas and you don't know what time it is. Like we always go at 11am and you're just like, what time is it? So it's kind of like it gives.

[A]

You go that early.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I love at 11 because you get your own table. You go to 11am when they open. Oh, yeah.

[A]

I don't like to eat with the others.

[B]

I don't mind eating.

[A]

I hate. No, I don't want to eat with Others.

[B]

Can I tell you? I went to Benihana and like, the next day, Kim Kardashian posted her kids at Benihana. And I was like, do you think Kim is sitting at the table with other people?

[A]

She would love you. Are you. You need to be friends with her.

[B]

How are you not friends with her? I've been trying. I literally, before he came, I was like, love update. Like, I love Kim. I don't know. But then it's kind of what you were saying about, like, Andy, like, just being like, why aren't. Same thing with Kim. It's like, I don't know how I wasn't invited. I'm such a skims fan. I'm such an update fan. Like, I love everything. Kim Kardashian and I. Yeah. And all the influencers get invited. And I'm just like. And I'm happy for them. So happy. I love Soakley. I love her. She gets invited to everything. She went to the Desperate Housewives. Oh, yeah. And I was like. And you got paid for it.

[A]

Yeah, I did a video for them. I did one. The one that you saw. And then I'm doing another one that's hot. It hasn't been posted yet, but, yeah.

[B]

I'm so jealous. And they had, like, you didn't know, but they have, like, little, like, people there. Like, they had the props, like, the muffins.

[A]

All the muffins were so good.

[B]

They had, like, freeze muffins.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you watch the show or you

[A]

just were like, I've rewatched it, like, 22 times. I can tell you everything. I'm rewatching it right now.

[B]

It's so good. I wish I could re watch Dustin Housewives for the first time. Are they doing a reboot? Why are they doing this?

[A]

They're just promoting that. It's back on Hulu, but from what I under.

[B]

What a great promotion. You are so lucky, all of you. You guys. Alex, you guys are so lucky. You guys understand how iconic that is. I promote them for free all the time. And it's like, the fact that they're paying people to promote it is everything.

[A]

No. And I've done, like, videos about it, like, rating the husbands from Desperate Housewives. Although tick tock flagged it because I think I was making fun of men and, like, some hater.

[B]

Like, the husbands were the worst. The worst.

[A]

There's so many of them. Tom Scavo, he was my worst.

[B]

Was he on your number one? Yes, number one.

[A]

I did best to worst. I put Carlos as the best. In him is the worst.

[B]

Carlos was everything. Honestly, Carlos wrote hard for Gabrielle and she would, like, cheat on him, do all stuff, and he still run hard for her too, remember? That's true. But then he got went blind, so I guess that was like his, like, karma for it.

[A]

Do you remember the quote? Do you remember when this is my favorite quote of like, them? Like when. Remember when they took in Chaumet that, like, Asian, like, housekeeper.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Gabrielle didn't want to take them in because the church was forcing them because they had the money to do it.

[B]

Oh, right, right, right.

[A]

And then she was like, we're not doing that, Carlos. And he's like, you're so selfish. It's like you would turn down Joseph and Mary from the inner. And Gabrielle goes, well, they should have called ahead. And I was like, tee, she was so good.

[B]

Why is she not there? She should have been there. I saw Mary Alice was there.

[A]

You know, they all don't. With each other. Well, I don't think they. Teri Hatcher.

[B]

But Teri Hatcher wasn't there.

[A]

No, I just don't. I think there's a lot of, like, the beefs on that show just run deep. They like.

[B]

Yeah, they just had a Desperate Housewives con where they, like, all of them were together and you could take a picture with.

[A]

But Eva Longoria was there, Marcia Cross was there. But Nicola Sheridan was there.

[B]

Yeah, Nicholas Sheridan was there.

[A]

But that wasn't like an a ABC thing. That was just like something they put together.

[B]

Oh, you think they just got paid to be there or something like that?

[A]

Yeah, they were just kind of like, whatever.

[B]

There's a clip that goes viral of Tom Scavo, and it's literally Lynette being like, oh, you got. You got this pizza again. Like you didn't get the thin crust or whatever. She goes, you know, I like the thin crust. And he's like. And then he's like, well, he's like, she would never complain about the thin crust. And she was like, so pissed because after 23 years, she goes, I thought you would just know what kind of pizza I like. And I was like, yeah, Tom. Like, how could you not know? And it's like, you just think. I think it was a big deal. And like, that's the problem. Tom. Tom was the worst. He was awful. He had so many.

[A]

I did a TikTok with him in real life. I saw him at a Lifetime, and I was like, can I do a video with you and say how the

[B]

guy, the actor who played him, what Was his name like, Doug. Doug Samont?

[A]

Doug Sam. I saw him and I was like, so Tom Scoville was a husband? You're like. I was like, you stole Annette's job. Like you.

[B]

What did he say?

[A]

He was like, no, Tom was lovable, handsome. He was trying to defend it.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

And then he, like, he went on this Terry Hatcher has a Desperate Housewives podcast. And he went on there. He's like, yeah, this guy, like, kind of sold me out. And like, he's like, oh, talking about you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's like, but I kind of went along. And then I was like, oh, girl.

[B]

And you should just admit it. Like, all of them now, like, all of them should just admit that their. Their parts are awful. There was not one good husband.

[A]

Oh, well, that's the thing. It's that. That's how men were back then. It's like, cook, clean my house. Like, a lot of the way the husband's act in that show pissed me off. They're like, why isn't dinner on the table? And it's like, yeah, make your own dinner.

[B]

Like, what, Brie's husband? Or her second husband, Orson.

[A]

Orson Wolf in sheep's clothing?

[B]

Oh, my God. When he made her make the pot roast, he's like, you promised me a pot roast. And she was so tired. And he's like, make me the pot roast. And she was like.

[A]

And then the fans always try to say, like, oh, well, they just ruined Orson after season five. I was like, no, it was.

[B]

He was always nefarious, always pro, Always problematic. There was not one good one on there. They were all awful. They were all terrible. Even Mike. I thought Mike was so annoying, too. I thought they were all.

[A]

Oh, I was sad when he died, though. So sad. That was like, Susan had a shit at the time.

[B]

Yeah, but Susan was annoying. The character, not Terry Asher. She was the worst on their show. So I was so obsessed with Desperate Housewives, and I was hoping they were going to a reboot because they had.

[A]

I think Kerry Washington's doing, like, a

[B]

reimagining with Mark Cherry.

[A]

He's not involved, but I think he gave her, like, permission, I'm sure. And, like, she's going to be with Onyx, which. And I think Onyx has, like, a distribution deal with Hulu. I could be wrong about that.

[B]

Your Hulu partner, you should know. I love that you go to all the upfronts. Everything like that. You're so in it.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Are you a Hulu partner or just Desperate Housewives?

[A]

Hulu Partner. Yeah.

[B]

So all the shows that come out just.

[A]

They just asked me to do that one just as. But Hulu invites me to a lot of stuff, which I love because I love Hulu.

[B]

I love Hulu too. You go to. Are you a Mormon wives person?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Wait, really? Oh, sorry. You said the Taylor Frankie Paul was like an uptick for you on TikTok too. Yeah. You guys talk as she comments. She'll comment on stuff with the deets she always comments on.

[A]

Like, I messaged her when? Before the. Well, it was a day before the chair video through because. Okay. I do think everything that's going on at Taylor Frankie Paul is misogyny. Okay.

[B]

Interesting. Okay. What? Tell me.

[A]

Because I. I think it's misogyny because it's like, okay, yeah, she threw this chair her. To be honest, I really don't care that she threw the chair. The only bad thing she did was have making sure her kids, like, the fact that her kids were there was crazy. I was like, girl, you're crazy as. Why are your kids there? You couldn't. If I were her and like, the kids were there would have been like, hey, sweetie, I'm going to take you across the street real quick. And then.

[B]

Right, right. But like, yes, they did leave them and go in the truck or something.

[A]

Yeah, right. Or like, make. At least at the most, they're in bed.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But, like, hopefully not in the house. Yeah, like, but girl, like. But I don't think she was wrong for throwing him. I think he makes her crazy. I don't think she's like this toxic out of nowhere. And I feel like people are siding with him because he has all this evidence. But I feel like he's also just as abusive. They shouldn't be. But I think also we also need to get over it because she's actively making steps to be better. And we should give her a Crate and Barrel deal for, like, durable stools.

[B]

God, that'd be the way to go. I think she'll come back. I think she will come back. I think people love her.

[A]

I hope so.

[B]

Do you think it's unfair, though, that, like, people go there are a little easier and lenient with her because she is like, just like this pretty girl. You know what I mean? And she's.

[A]

Well, I think the thing with Taylor Frankenpaul is, like, she's not a liar. She openly tells you that she's crazy. She openly tells you that she's working on things. She opens. She tells you she's toxic and she tells you why.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You've met her family, you know her. Why?

[B]

And then, like, sure, yeah. Like her mom and stuff.

[A]

So it's like, when you know that, it's like, how can you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like that's why she gets a pass. The rest of the girls, they don't. I think that's why the rest of the girls on Mormonwives don't like her. Because, like, she has this Serena vanderwoodson Genesis quoi.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

That the girls can't emulate. And that's why. That's the thing. All those girls like Taylor, Frankie, Paul, but they're just jealous that they can't get away with what she gets away with.

[B]

Like, literally everything. Yeah, that's true. I guess. I don't know. I go back and forth with her because I agree with you. The misogyny. I also agree she gets away with things. More people than most people would, you know, Men.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think about, like, other women. I think. Cause she's pretty and skinny, and it's like she fits the mold.

[A]

Who are the other women that don't get away with it?

[B]

I'm trying to think.

[A]

But I don't think Taylor Frankenhaul's getting away with it this time. I feel like something is happening with her and everyone, the powers that be, are trying to, like, not, like, make her happen anymore. Because all her haters are, like, screaming loud, loud, loud. Like, especially the girls on Mormon Wives. And I also feel like. I don't know, like, if we cancel the Bachelorette, like, let's cancel the NBA. Let's cancel the NFL.

[B]

Right, Right. The guys. For sure. That. I totally agree. Guys get away with a lot more. For sure. I think you. Yeah, I think you're right. I guess. I don't know. I guess. Yeah. I don't know. It's hard to say. Cause people are like, yeah, like, we

[A]

put up with Jax Taylor. You don't even know who that is. That's like.

[B]

I do know Jax. Cause that's the one that was with Britney.

[A]

Yeah. And he's crazy as hell.

[B]

He is.

[A]

He just got, like, off TV finally for whatever.

[B]

What happened? What was his crazy.

[A]

I think the nail in the coffin was that he was being abusive towards Britney in the home. I don't know if it was, like, fully abusive. I mean, I don't. I mean, I'm sure he was being erratic.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, it was getting scary. And then he said he was going to rehab, but he left rehab early. And, like, the kid was afraid of him. It was so. There's a scene in the show where the, like, he's asking the kid for a hug and he's like, weird.

[B]

And they left it in. That's what's crazy about the Valleys. They're so messy. They, like, leave in all those moments. Who's the one that's, like, really annoying? The Danny is the little husband.

[A]

Oh, yeah. And he's having his own. Yeah. They call him. What do they call him? Dark. Dark side Danny.

[B]

Yeah. Like, what? They show all that stuff. Oh, my God. These people, not executive producers. They act at the final cut. It's, like, so crazy to me that they don't get, like, any say on it.

[A]

I know. It is weird.

[B]

Kardashians. You're into Kardashians?

[A]

Of course. I was on there

[B]

for, like, a sec.

[A]

They showed me at the Hulu event. Like, I was, like, there. And they make it look like. Like, yeah, I was there on. I was. They were. It was like when they were promoting the Get Real event. It's so meta. The Kardashians.

[B]

Oh, I love that. Yeah, you're always, like, there. Did you talk? Did you talk to them?

[A]

No, I was just, like, watching Khloe and Scott speak and I was like, in the front and everyone's like, I are the Kardashians. I was like, I didn't have. It was a non speaking role.

[B]

Did you have to sign anything or. They were.

[A]

No, they were just film. Yeah, they were. Because it was a Hulu event. So it's like, okay, guys, we're. I'm pretty sure this hero's on Love thy nadir. Because I went up to Brooke Snader and I was like, brooks Nader, say that you love the gays. And she was kind of drunk and she was like, I love the gays.

[B]

Oh, I kind of love that.

[A]

I love her. I think she's like, were you boys

[B]

on the ground or were you just tiktoking? Like, were you interviewing?

[A]

Like, I was tiktoking. I was tiktoking.

[B]

When's the last time you did interviews like, red carpet?

[A]

Probably at BravoCon. I hate red carpet interviewing. Why?

[B]

It's so. I've only done it twice and I love it. I'm like, I wanna do more.

[A]

I would do it for, like, a big brand. Yeah, but why do you hate it? I don't hate it. It's just, like, a lot.

[B]

I think it's a rush. It's like, oh, my God.

[A]

Okay, it is a rush.

[B]

Here, let's do it.

[A]

When I did Streamys, that was fun. I was like, well, this is easy. But it's like, I don't hate it. That's a strong word. I like it when I'm there and it's all over with, but the lead up is just like, oh, my God, who am I gonna piss off? I'm piss off someone's publicist or things like that.

[B]

Right. It's a lot when you're in there and you have to try and get your thing. Cause I was like, I went with Axis, and I remember for Wicked.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I remember.

[B]

Yeah. They were very much like, he said, go talk to them. Go to them. But then, like, Jimmy Fallon would come by and go and talk to him. Like, I don't know what to ask Jimmy Fallon. Like, it's like, one of those things that are, like, really scary because you're just like, how do you. I did one for the brat one, too. And I was just like, go talk to this person. I'm like, oh, what if I didn't know, you know, the person was. And I'm so bad at coming up with questions for people I don't know.

[A]

And it's a little bit of, like, memorizing, but also, like, getting headlines. And, like, that's the problem.

[B]

And also what I can't do when they're like, oh, this is a good, like, clickbait one. And I'm like, I can't.

[A]

Oh, well, working at ET Was like, the military. Like, every place I worked after that, I was like. Like, it's so funny.

[B]

Wait, why ET So much? Why is it so.

[A]

Because it's all, like, headlines. They want a moment. And, like. And as fair, like, every outlet deserves one. The thing is, I've only worked at really big news outlets, so, like, that's kind of like, I'm kind of glad I did that, because, like, now when I do my own content, or even. Even when I post on substack for Ibennet.

[B]

Subsack. Yes.

[A]

Like, I, like, make crazy headlines because I want people to, like, watch them. Like, that's, like, the one thing I learned for sure. So, like.

[B]

But yeah, like, I mean, because Oscar does our titles too, and it's like, I.

[A]

It was a. Oh, I learned titles from him. He has crazy titles.

[B]

Titles are crazy. I mean, and I'm always like, oh, like, every time. I'm always like, oh, my God, that's. There's only like, a couple times where I text them. Like, it's a little much. Let's change a little bit of the Words and stuff like that. But it's so good. And I think that's why the podcast is cool, because, like, titles and thumbnails are everything. When I did YouTube videos, they would always, like, flop because I never did titles or thumbnails. Like, my titles would be like, you know, like waiting in a parking lot for chicken or something like that. No one cares. But I'd be talking about, like, juicy content, and it's like, oh, now did

[A]

you hire someone to do your titles

[B]

in after that Oscar? Does it?

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

On YouTube? No, they still flop. My main channel still flops. It still gets, like 40,000 views on YouTube. Oh, yeah, they can't. No, I mean, they get like 30,000 shout out to my 30,000 people that watch me. But it'll. It'll be like, literally like July vlog.

[A]

But I feel like everyone's dead on YouTube. What? Why did it go? Is it because Tati and James Charles, I feel like they were, like, the beginning.

[B]

I think the Dramageddon ended it.

[A]

Yeah, I think it did.

[B]

Really? I think it did.

[A]

But I'll never forget when that came out. Oh, my God, I was so Sad.

[B]

That was 2019, too.

[A]

Yeah, 2019, me too.

[B]

Were you a James Charles Stan? Like, did you. Were you. Why were you seated?

[A]

I wasn't a James Charles Stan. I just found him a little bit ridiculous. And the singing career was, like, a lot for, like, when you sing, it's camp. When he was doing it, he was trying to be. He was, like, trying to. To be Frankie Grande. And I was like, ah, I don't know. So, like.

[B]

But then, like, crazy. I love Frank Grande.

[A]

What do you think about him getting mad about, like, that girl that asked him for, like, money or something?

[B]

Oh, James Charles. Yes. Yes, he was.

[A]

That was Nasty Boots.

[B]

No, there's nothing about James Charles that is redeeming to me. I think there was like. There's one person that I'm like, that person should be like, he'll never get canceled. I guess he's kind of the Taylor Frankie Paul of YouTubers, where it's just

[A]

like, people, oh, no, she's one way more likable.

[B]

But I don't know. He still has a lot of fans, I guess, in the same sense that, like, he does things that should be definitely cancelable in 2026, because once again, people have to be like, well, he's a man.

[A]

You gotta remember.

[B]

I guess that's true. Still a man. Yeah, I guess that's true because he still gets a lot of viewers. A lot of Palette. No, he does makeup line. Jaclyn Hill still around. She's. She's on TikTok. I think she's kind of popular on TikTok.

[A]

She.

[B]

Because I remember one time she. My TikToks are flopping, and then I went to go look and it's like, a million views. I'm a girl. You're getting a million views.

[A]

I. Jackie Aina is still doing stuff and she's blocking everybody.

[B]

Really? I love. I love.

[A]

She blocks people who say, like, compliments. She'll be like, they'll be like, I love your content. I love your new last name. And they'll be like. And she'll block that.

[B]

Oh, well, I kind of love that. I kind of love. She's like, I think we're the same age. And I kind of. And she's just said she's been an influencer for, like, 17 years. Something like that. I'm like, sometimes you just have to have. No, no. You just can't take from people. I just block people, too.

[A]

Sometimes.

[B]

I block people too.

[A]

Like, she blocks them if they say something nice.

[B]

But maybe she takes it as, you know, sometimes I see something and it's like, you only see the first part and you're like, wait, is this an insult or not? I'm like, I'm not going to take the time to decide. I'm just going to block you.

[A]

You know, someone DM'd my friend. She's kind of an influencer. She's called the Traveling nurse. But someone DM'd her yesterday. We were at the soccer game and they were like, oh, my God, thank you for showing off your cellulite. Like, you're such a warrior. And she was like, what kind of backhanded compliment is this? I was like, that is when you should block someone.

[B]

Yeah. Do you know Shea Sullivan on TikTok?

[A]

Sounds familiar.

[B]

But she just got married. She had, like, a big wedding and she's got married. She's like. I think she's just like a model.

[A]

She's with that hot guy. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. They're so cute together. Yes. They had their wedding in Italy.

[B]

Italy, yes. The same thing. I just love that Shay Sullivan is, like, clearly not on Oz. Epic. And she clearly likes to eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Like, they were doing the backhand.

[A]

Not even, like, overweight, by the way.

[B]

She, like, lost weight for the wedding. And also, she is just thin. She's just a thin girl. But people are trying to be. I love that she's healthy. I Love that she looks healthy and it's like the healthy weight for people, but people trying to be backhanded because it's like she looks, you know, you can just tell she's a regular girl. Yeah. It's like she's so tiny. But people love the backhanded compliments.

[A]

People want to see themselves and we're in this era where everyone wants to see themselves in someone, like, not cute. They want.

[B]

That's true. Do you think that's why Meghan Trainor's like, quote unquote, downfall? I'm not saying she like downfall, but like, people started like turning on her because now she's thin and she's not. What she's saying about.

[A]

You know what I think? You know what I think it is? It's kind of like the Lizzo stuff too. I feel like everyone makes, I think people who make a big deal. Not that Meghan Trainer made a big deal, that's about this. But like, I feel like people who made a. Who were saying they were like body positive and stuff are now in Ozempic and I feel like to others it's like people feel like it's betraying the whole thing, but it's like, okay, so

[B]

like, like Lizzo, do you know Rami Joa Bader? She's another one.

[A]

I love her. She's so nice.

[B]

I love her too. I love her so much. And people were saying the same kind of thing where it was like she built her platform on body positivity. So then you lose weight and then do you lose your audience? Do you lose your relatability? I don't know. Maybe. I guess, if that's what you're like, known for and now you're thin.

[A]

Right. But Ozempic is so accessible. It's not like she's doing this like super rich thing that, like, no one has access to anymore.

[B]

That's true. She did a surgery, I think. But yeah, same thing. Yeah, we're kind of like, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think I tell people all the time as a big person my whole life. It's like every big person I think would be. Would love to be a healthy weight if they could. But it's like, it's psychological. I've been big my whole life. I've been over £200 my entire life. It's like a psychological thing. So it's like it's all of a sudden now people can be thin. Of course they're going to be thin. Like, I don't know why people are surprised by it.

[A]

I don't think that goes away. I know a lot of people that have, like, lost weight on Ozempic, and, like, they feel like not. They still feel like they're bigger selves or they're not comfortable within themselves. So I feel like just because someone loses weight, that doesn't lose that essence of, like, the positivity.

[B]

Yeah, I get by. Know what you mean. Like, I guess it's just more of, like, the. You want to see yourself in someone. And I was like that, too, when I was pregnant and during this whole, like, I'm on a GLP1 now, and it's like, when you see people losing weight, you just get, like, a little, like, frustrated. Like, are we all doing this? But as someone who's on a GLP1, it's like, obviously, I'm not being, like, so skinny or anything like that, but I just feel better.

[A]

You look great.

[B]

Thank you. I feel better. I definitely feel better on it, but it's.

[A]

Did you like being pregnant? Was that, like, a time for you?

[B]

I love being pregnant. I would. I would keep being pregnant if I could, but I'm so. I'm like. Let me just.

[A]

My friend just had a baby, so I'm like. I was living through her pregnancy.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Did you meet the baby?

[A]

Yes, I did. She was so cute. She was trying to have a natural birth.

[B]

Okay. And then C section ended up being.

[A]

No, I think she ended up doing it. She was gonna do, like, at home.

[B]

Oh, like a natural. Natural. Like, no medication, nothing other than she had to go to the hospital.

[A]

She. Well, her baby was supposed to be born on Christmas, and that this year, well, it's supposed to be born. She was supposed to be induced on, like, the 20th or something. And then she was like, I just want to have it on the 26th. I don't want it to be on Christmas. And then she told me, oh, she

[B]

had it last year. Last Christmas? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I thought you meant this year. It's supposed to be Christmas. I'm like, damn, that's an early baby.

[A]

But she was like, honestly, I think, like, I was in labor on the 25th. I just held it in because I just did not want a deal. And then she. And then she was like. And then she said she gaslighted her whole medical team. And then they went to the parking lot with her midwife, who she had, and they were like, babe, you're, like, 7 centimeters dilated. Like, you should go to a hospital. So it's like this whole thing, but

[B]

easy delivery and Stuff.

[A]

It all went well. She's fine. She's alive to tell the story. The baby's so cute.

[B]

Oh, my gosh, that's so cute. Do you like kids? That's a big thing now. I do on TikTok. There's people who are like, no kids.

[A]

Well, children fascinate me. I don't know if I would have one of my own.

[B]

But you like kids.

[A]

Kids love me.

[B]

You're kid friendly. You have a good personality. Very outgoing kid friendly.

[A]

Well, if I was a parent, I'd be so unserious. I'd be like this. Yelling has to stop.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There would be no terrible twos in my home. I do not think so.

[B]

That age is a tough one, though. All our kids are so sweet, so respectful. But damn those.

[A]

How old's your daughter?

[B]

Crazy. I have a three year old, a two year old, and my son just turned one.

[A]

That's a lot.

[B]

Yeah, that's a lot.

[A]

I'm interviewing Trisha now.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Hi, everyone. Welcome back to for. I unfiltered the Mom Hour. It will be when sitting with my subs.

[B]

Oh, my God, you need to be on it. Yeah. You need to have a full podcast, like on Spotify. Like, you're so good at it.

[A]

Well, I want a deal to come to me, like, oh, you need the

[B]

cash up front deal?

[A]

Yeah, I need that. That's what I want.

[B]

I tried with this one. It didn't work out. I would say you may be happier in the long run if you just find your own ad, like through your agents, like, just get your own ad deals. You might get more money that way. Sometimes cash up front, they kind of, I don't know, like, I've never gotten a cash up front deal. I don't know. But what I've heard from other people who've gotten cash up front.

[A]

Is it like a advance, like if you write a book?

[B]

Sometimes. Sometimes I've heard different things with different people because I know people get sometimes, like, why you get a million dollars? Like, oh my God, $1 million up front is great. But then, yes, I have to recoup it. And they may like, say, like, let's say you get an ad deal for like an ad read for $5,000. They'll like just say, oh, it's only 1500. So it takes a longer time for you to recoup. So someone I know got like $1 million podcast deal. It could take them four years to recoup when they could have made it

[A]

and they're stuck in the deal.

[B]

Okay, I've heard that. But you're probably smart. You probably. I don't know. Again, never happened to me. I try to get cash up front. Never happened. So. But maybe if you're, like, with Hulu and stuff like that, you know, Hulu

[A]

needs to, like, get. They have this little, like, show called, like, the Get Real, like, podcast. I need to ask my agent, like, can you get me on that?

[B]

I thought you were going there today. No, you're not going to get. We're going to a different podcast.

[A]

Oh, I'm going to a different podcast today.

[B]

Get Real is like. I think that's the one I was thinking of. That's like, a show happens lineup like

[A]

they have on Hulu now, where they discuss, like, the new shows that drop. I know. They were discussing Million Dollar Nannies.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You watched that show?

[A]

I haven't yet. It's on my list. I have so many shows on my list.

[B]

What's also on your list? What other new shows?

[A]

I have not watched Real Houses of Rhode island because it came out during Coachella season, and I was just, like, really concerned about Rhode Island.

[B]

Like, what's happening in Rhode Island?

[A]

It is. I heard it. It is the gag. I heard it.

[B]

Rhode Island.

[A]

Yeah. Rhode Island. The tiny one.

[B]

The tiny state above New York.

[A]

Oh, yeah. And they all, like. Some of them make fun of each other for living so far, when really they're only five miles away from each other. It's so ridiculous.

[B]

Oh, are they all rich? Is all the Housewives rich? Is that the gimmick?

[A]

Rich in spirit. That's why you need to be on Housewives, because you need to be really rich.

[B]

I'm rich in spirit.

[A]

If you got fired from Housewives, it wouldn't affect you. It wouldn't shape your personality, because you are who you are.

[B]

You think I'd get fired?

[A]

No, you'd be like, Lisa Rinna. Like, Lisa Rinna had a career before. She's gonna have one after.

[B]

That's true. She was offended on Traders when they're like, I'm not a housewife. I'm Lisa Rinna.

[A]

She should be. She's Lisa Rinna. But you would be like that.

[B]

I don't mind being known as a housewife if that's what gets me on Traders. I'll be like, I'll be a housewife.

[A]

You should be on Traders.

[B]

No, I don't think I can unless I go on Housewife or something like that.

[A]

You need to be on Dancing with the Stars. You need to be on so many shows.

[B]

That one. I do. That's another one, like the update where I'm like, seeing all these people go on Dancing with the Stars. It's like, really just. I love them, but like. Like a Savannah Bananas on Dancing with the Stars this season.

[A]

And I was like, oh, my God. I learned who Savannah Bananas was like, three months ago.

[B]

I love the Savannah Bananas. But how are you getting on? How are you getting on?

[A]

My friend? My friend got free tickets to Savannah Savannah Bananas show. No. Well, no. She was like, it's in New York and I'm not going to New York for Savannah Bananas. And I was like, why? I get confused about Savannah Bananas.

[B]

I'm like, they're playing stadiums. They're like, literally, like, at the Dodger Stadium. I'm like, what the hell are you

[A]

going to Savannah Bananas actually play baseball, by the way.

[B]

They play baseball and they sing. One of my favorite Broadway stars, Derek Klanner, just joined. He was one of the fewer's on Broadway, and he just became a Savannah Banana. And I was like, I kind of love this. And he's like a famous Savannah banana. I feel like the one that needs to start is like, no shade. Because I would love to be on, but, like, I don't. I didn't know.

[A]

Have you seen High School Musical too?

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

High School Musical is my favorite thing ever. Like, that's why we were dressed as Troy Bolton. I was like, oh, my God. My spirit animal. He's my everything. I'm about to do another one. I'm about to. Another Troy Bolton.

[A]

I saw. Yeah, you did bet on it.

[B]

I did bet on it. I'm gonna do one more. I love.

[A]

I remember your Ben on it era.

[B]

It's my favorite. Anyways. What about High School Musical too? I love. I would've been up there.

[A]

I would say that song I don't Dance is like, Savannah Banana is coded like, I don't dance.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I know you did. Oh, yeah, I love that one. That's the one where they thought they were, like, they were shipping them together. Oh, Ryan and what was his name? Chad.

[A]

Yeah, they should date. High school music School was gay in so many ways.

[B]

Did you know Ryan was not gay? The actor who played him. Oh, he's not Lucas Gabriel. He's straight. But he played all these gay roles all the time.

[A]

But they made Ryan straight in High School Musical 3. They were like, go with the composer.

[B]

Oh, that's right.

[A]

The playmaker.

[B]

I love High School Musical. We'll never get those again. We'll never get that era.

[A]

I have more mom questions for you.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

I'm so fascinated. I love mom podcasts.

[B]

Does anybody? I don't know if anybody does. I tried a mom podcast. No one cared.

[A]

Okay, so you don't have a mom group?

[B]

I don't have a mom group. I want to be one. I. I need one. I need more friends. Yeah.

[A]

Why is that hard to find? Are all your kids, like, homeschooled or something?

[B]

Well, they're not in school yet. Cause they're only three, but.

[A]

And we're not gonna homeschool them. We're not gonna do that. Homeschool kids are weird.

[B]

I had the most traumatic school experience.

[A]

Trisha. No.

[B]

The teachers, the kids, the bullying, the violence.

[A]

Private school, they're fine.

[B]

Then it's like $40,000 a year, but

[A]

they can go make friends with Northwest at Sierra Canyon. Like, what are you talking about, Trisha? We're not thinking smart.

[B]

No, no, you have. Do you have trauma with homeschooling?

[A]

I think homeschooled kids are so weird. No, they're so weird.

[B]

You can do pods and you can take them to socialize. I think they have to be. I just.

[A]

Don't they have to be social? Well, the only way you can. Yeah, the only person. Time. A person who's homeschooled isn't weird is if they're a child actor. Like, Miley, Selena, Demi. Like, you're getting socialized in other ways.

[B]

All their trauma. No, but then you could go to dance class. Like, they go to dance. They go to tumbling. They go to karate. Like, they go to all their little classes.

[A]

But they need to know the nuances of the world. Like, you know, like, how are they gonna deal with stuff if they're, like, not sorry. Everyone needs to be a little bullied. Like, I'm so. It's not gentle parenting. And you're a millennial. Oh, my God, you make me sick.

[B]

Bullying was the traumatic. Have you never been bullied, I take it?

[A]

I mean, I grew up, girl. I went to an all white high school. I was one of three black people that went to my middle school and high school. Babe. Like, you can't. You cannot hurt my feelings.

[B]

Wait, really? So you never. It never hurt you as, like, a kid? You didn't go home crying or anything like that?

[A]

No, I wasn't gonna give people the satisfaction. Of course I'd go home and cry by myself, but, like, I was never gonna tell.

[B]

I'm so sad.

[A]

No, but it's fine. It's toughened me up, and that's Why I talk on the Internet because I know this is all ridiculous. Like, people. People are gonna judge you regardless, so who cares?

[B]

I guess so. I guess I just wanted to be in a bubble.

[A]

As I got older, I cared less and, like, people would, like, make fun of me for, like, what I was into growing up. Like, I'd be into pop culture, but all those people are boring.

[B]

I don't really like what you.

[A]

No one was into anything I was into growing up. Some people were, but, like, not really.

[B]

And you wouldn't have wanted to be homeschooled and you never would?

[A]

No, I'm too social. And I'm only a child. I had to be social.

[B]

Because you're a social person. I'm very introverted, so I'm like, I would love to go the rest of my life never talking to someone again. But because of my kids, I don't want them to be like me. I'm like, okay, let me be social. So we do take them to, like, social events and, like, social kid play dates and stuff like that.

[A]

But you put them in, like, no,

[B]

not real school, though. Never. Because I had, like, my teachers.

[A]

You don't want to deal with it. Do you just not want to deal with, like, parent teacher conference? Do you not want to deal with,

[B]

like, I don't want to deal with the teachers bullying or sexually harassing my kids. I had, like, literally, people.

[A]

But if you go to a private school that's, like, you know, smaller classes.

[B]

No, even worse, because then it's like, you know.

[A]

You know, they can become friends with,

[B]

like, rich kids, have access to drugs and stuff like that. Because I do know someone who went to private school and their kid was like, they got addicted quickly to, like.

[A]

But they're gonna do drugs one day. One day someone will give them a line.

[B]

No, they won't.

[A]

You have to be prepared for that day.

[B]

No, I feel like, never. I feel like because of what I've been through, I can, like, tell them, like, this is the worst. I think you can either become your. Like, you could become, like, your parents, or you, like, learn from your parents and they can read my whole book if they want. I'll be like, read this whole book. This is what you're not going to be. Because I was like, so. Yeah, I think it's. I know what you mean. And you know what? You never know. I don't think there's ever a right choice. Right? Like, I. My public school was so traumatic. I was, like, sexually harassed by all my teachers. Like, a lot of them I would say five years. Illinois.

[A]

Oh, yeah. If you're from the Midwest.

[B]

Yeah, Midwest.

[A]

And you moved here, like, really young, right?

[B]

I moved here when I was 17, I guess I just had turned 18 in May, and I moved out here. I moved out here on my 18th birthday. Yeah. And I like, love LA now, but, yeah, it's, you know, and I went to a small town. So you think small towns. I don't know. But there's a lot of violence in my school, and it was small. We were like, in a country. Okay. We're like country farmers.

[A]

Okay. So that's a different experience than your kids are gonna get. They're gonna be city girls, which could

[B]

be also awful too. Right? Because it's like. And not to be all, like, political and not to be too serious because it's a fun podcast, but, like, you know, obviously we have, like, a horrible, like, gun problem in our. In America.

[A]

That's true. That's very true.

[B]

It's not just city. Like, obviously you hear about it in the city, but, like, where I grew up there, a lot of people had hunting guns and stuff like that, and people would bring those to school. And so it's just like. It's just. I don't know. I'd rather just be in a little

[A]

kind of crazy, too. Did every time you with that. Oh, I go, how would I. You would know this.

[B]

But tell me. Maybe because we met. We met so many times, and I'm

[A]

like, okay, I went to the Malibu Chili cook off, like, I want to say, two years ago.

[B]

That's a thing.

[A]

And. Yeah, no, it's like a whole thing. Northwest was there with her little friends, and she was, like, fighting to get on the tilt a whirl. Oh, I love that.

[B]

That's cute.

[A]

Yeah. And I was like. And her security was just, like, in the back, like. But I thought it was so funny. I'm like, northwest is out here. The Malibu chili cook up.

[B]

And she was just. Was she with, like, her parents or just friends?

[A]

No, she was with friends, but she had security. Like, she had, like, one security guy.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

It was so chill. Like, no one. Only I knew she was there because, you know, pop culture girls release.

[B]

But, like, right, right.

[A]

Everyone else was, like, leaving her alone. Like, no one was like, oh, that's north. Like.

[B]

Right. But I still feel like that's a good example in general. It's just like, the. The. Because of who she is, like, people just criticize her so much. Like, the way her body is, the way she's Dressed like.

[A]

And she's 13. She's just going through a phase.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. And I think it's like. It's just like. I hate it. I hate it.

[A]

I hate it too.

[B]

Yeah. So it's almost like.

[A]

And it's. It's Kardashian slander. And people are very weirdly misogynistic about the Kardashians too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, like. And I feel like it's because of, like, who her parents are and all the stuff.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. I think it's like, not. It's just, like, not fair as is. And I guess if she goes to school, like, I mean, if she has security and stuff, she's not getting, like, bullied. But it's like, because of who her parents is. I mean, don't you think people are gonna say stuff? I don't know.

[A]

But I also feel like it's a closer community than you think. I feel like Northwest is like, yeah, she's famous, but, like, other famous people go there. Like, you know, I feel like it's like, different. Like, I feel like I have a friend who grew up in West Hollywood and also in the Valley, and she randomly will be like, on. She will be online. She's like, oh, that person's famous now. I went to high school with them. Like, I feel like it's not like that big deal.

[B]

Oh, interesting.

[A]

They'll just be like, oh, Trisha Paytas. Yeah, her daughter goes here. Or like, oh, yeah, that's Trisha Paytas, his daughter. Like, that's her mom's Trisha Paytas. Like, you know, like, it's gonna be

[B]

like, you know, cuz you know what happened with me in school. And it's on such a different level because my mom was not on social media or anything. But if people. There was haters on my mom, right? Because, like, my mom. Whatever. There were like, haters on my mom.

[A]

So.

[B]

Because I. I went back to the hometown that she grew up in, if she went to school with people that didn't like her, they're like, that's Lena Paytas, his daughter. Like, we're gonna treat her. So they had a teacher that my

[A]

mom, who are bored in Illinois who have nothing else.

[B]

But don't you think here they're like, oh, we hate. Like, there's a Trisha Paytas hater, and that's my daughter's teacher.

[A]

No, because celebrities, I think, where it's like, oh, I read what's happening in Us Weekly. Like, so Sorry.

[B]

I don't know if you need anything.

[A]

Like, I hate, like, what the Internet's saying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

People are a little bit nicer to you when you have a scandal, because it's like, they see you in, like, real life doing your thing, like, dropping your kid off, and they're like, oh, it humanizes you.

[B]

Yes and no. But then you look at Northwest. Obviously, she know. They know. Kanye is obviously. That's, like, a horrible thing.

[A]

You know, Kim goes there. She smooths it over. She's like, I'll build you a pavilion.

[B]

And, like, we don't have pavilion money. We're not going to be pavilion.

[A]

Oh, my God, you're so humble. But maybe the Trisha Paytas podcasting studio.

[B]

Well, we can definitely build a studio for them, too. It's right. You know, you're right. You're right. And I think there is some time we have, like, another year, so we go back and forth. For sure. I am very traumatized. But maybe. Maybe there's, like, a charter school. Maybe there's. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, she could be like, the first pancake, and if it works, it works.

[B]

The first pancake?

[A]

Yeah. You're like. You're the first daughter.

[B]

Oh, to try it out.

[A]

Yeah, she's the first pancake. So you, like, you know, you flip it over, and then it's like. And then the other two, then they're fine because you're like, oh, they're well done. I already learned my mistakes. See, that's why it's bad being an only child. It's like, oh, I was the first pancake for everything.

[B]

How did you like being an only child?

[A]

I loved it. I really did. Like, and I still do. I just, like, I. I mean, I have a lot of cousins. Like, a lot of them. My mom's, like, the ninth child out of nine brothers and sisters.

[B]

So maybe that's why you love the public school so much. Or, like, going pushing that because you didn't get to socialize with, like, your siblings. So you're just like, oh, maybe, like,

[A]

socialize with my cousins. I would do all this stuff.

[B]

So they were close.

[A]

And also, the great thing about them, I could tell them to go home. I'd be like, please leave my house.

[B]

Oh, you would. You would like your time then, too.

[A]

I never like sleepovers growing up. My mom would push me. She'd be like, do you want to sleep over at your cousin's house? And I'm like, no.

[B]

Oh, that's so funny.

[A]

And she was like, no. Why? Because they would want me to come over, and they beg my mom. They'd be like, oh, can you come? And I'd be like, tell them no.

[B]

Wait, really?

[A]

I just want to watch. That's a Raven in peace. Like I did.

[B]

That's a Raven. You should go on her podcast, because you're doing podcasts right now. You're doing, like, podcast rounds. You're going to one after this.

[A]

I hope so. She's in South Africa doing. I mean, Sheeta Girls 4.

[B]

Oh, my God, you're right.

[A]

So she's busy. I was trying to do that because my agent represents her, too.

[B]

Oh, my God. Is she, like, your fave from Disney Channel? Who's your Disney. Is it Miley?

[A]

Miley is my girl. That's my.

[B]

That's right. You're her Oscar's age. Okay. Raven is more like my age. So that's.

[A]

I was obsessed. I had a raven phase, though. Raven came out when I was, like, in second grade. I remember it was the same night as Kim Possible, but I was obsessed with Raven. I was obsessed. And then Hannah Montana came around, and I was like, oh, I.

[B]

That's the new queen for you. So you're Mount Rushmore of Disney.

[A]

Is Raven. Miley Hilary Duff.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And. Oh, who else? I would say there's one more. Right?

[B]

You said Kim Possible. Kristy Carlson Romano.

[A]

I mean, but, you know, she's not Mount Rushmore. She's more like. She's more like, you know, like Yellowstone Park.

[B]

Okay. She's up there somewhere.

[A]

Yeah, she's up there somewhere. Just not on my Mount Rushmore. God. Who's another Disney queen? I don't want to say Selena, because I didn't really, like, watch Wizards of every place, but I knew. Who's Selena Gomez?

[B]

Demi. She had a couple. No, not her.

[A]

No, there's. Ooh, am I missing. Oh, like, maybe Ashley Tazum. You know what? I'd say Zac Efron. Zac Efron could be up there.

[B]

He just did High School Musical, right?

[A]

Yeah. He was like, yeah. Have you read that book Disney High?

[B]

No.

[A]

It's called Disney the Rise and Fall of the Disney Channel Tween Empire.

[B]

What happened? What's the book about?

[A]

Basically, each chapter is about the height of Disney Channel, and it's like. And it talks about basically how that show came to be. It talks about the parents, it talks about the kids, how they got the role, and it's really informative. They talk about Zac Efron and Miley Cyrus. They almost really didn't get their roles like Disney Was not really checking.

[B]

Wait, really? How did they. How did Miley get. Cause what was her. You know who was on here was Ali and aj and they were saying how they auditioned for Hannah Montana. I think it was AJ who said she auditioned for Hannah Montana, and I think they, like, maybe offered it to

[A]

her and she said no. Yeah, they talk about that.

[B]

Oh, interesting.

[A]

But Miley was like. They just didn't. The thing with Miley, I think she auditioned when she was super young, and then they auditioned all these other girls, and then six months went by and they were like, okay, well, Miley's older and, like, they just made her work for it. They're like, okay, well. And then, like, technically, they had Danielle Monet and her. It was between them two. And the guy who created.

[B]

Which one's Danielle Monet?

[A]

She did. She was. She was in Victoria. She was the sister in. Victoria's the one who can't say. She's like, Chicago.

[B]

Oh, yes, yes, yes. China Vega.

[A]

Yeah. Trina Vega.

[B]

Okay, I know that from TikTok.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was between her and Miley Cyrus.

[B]

You know, she does not. She auditioned for Roxie Heart and Chicago, and they didn't give it to her.

[A]

What?

[B]

And it's like, everyone, like our animatics, like, everybody can be Roxie Hart. But she auditioned.

[A]

And Whitney. I saw Whitney was here too.

[B]

Yeah. I do love Whitney so much. She's going back to Broadway. She just teased yesterday. And it looks like she's lip syncing a song from Just in Time, so everyone thinks she's gonna go back into that show. Are you a Broadway person? Musicals?

[A]

No, I'm not. I fell asleep in Wicked Part 1 and 2.

[B]

The movies?

[A]

Yeah. It's so long. I can't do a long one.

[B]

Oh, my.

[A]

But I, like, watched it for the culture. I don't understand Wicked. If I'm being really honest, I feel like there's no magic involved.

[B]

What? It's all magic, but no one knows

[A]

how to use the magic. Elphaba can't even use the magic, really?

[B]

Well, Alphabet is the only one who can. That's why the wizard and her have that connection, because the wizard obviously drank the little potion, got her the magic. She's the only one.

[A]

I knew that from the first movie. I was like, gag to the people who never see the play, by the way. Also, I feel like, like, what's her name? Alphabet.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Glinda could have easily stood up on the proclamation and been like, girls proclaim, it's just a little green. It's just a little green. Can we please move on from this? I'm the queen. I say we get over this because this is my sister Matt. I would have been like, listen, Madame Morrible isn't. She's scamming. Oz is scamming. I'm in charge. I got the bubble. We're gonna move on from this. New laws. Everyone treat Elphaba with sense of respect. And then we could have really moved on. Like her walking with the scarecrow in the distance. I'm like, huh?

[B]

I didn't like that ending.

[A]

No. Where did they go?

[B]

So cute. They just went off into their own.

[A]

Well, the movie was to do what

[B]

it was giving a little like Star Wars. Like you're in a different galaxy. All of a sudden they are in the play. They kind of just walk off to the sunset. It's kind of cute. But yeah, I don't understand that.

[A]

To do what? To die? To hide? Where. Where are they going? What are they doing? Where is she? My friend has a video on TikTok of her mom being like. Her mom is like, Alba, Elba, Alba. Where is she now?

[B]

I'm so sad.

[A]

I'm dude, so funny.

[B]

I'm such a stand wicked. If I stand one thing, I stand wicked. And I loved it so much. I love the presentation.

[A]

People do like, it's something, it's fun. And Ariana Grande was gag in that role.

[B]

Like, she was great. So did you like. Do you think they should won any Oscars? Do you think that they were like,

[A]

not for part two? Part one? Yeah, probably.

[B]

I think part two was. We both agreed that part two was the best. We thought that was the better one. It was so good.

[A]

Part two had more like oomph to it.

[B]

Yeah. Like emotion. And I thought the actors were so good. Everyone was. So I was like, what the hell? What happened? The songs were so good.

[A]

But what happened happened on the setup. Wicked. Something's right. You know what Ariana Grande needs to do that trend being like my documentary of what happened. Do you think you've ever like been around a killer?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you date one?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You did?

[B]

I have a story time on. On YouTube. Yeah. It actually didn't make my book. I actually talked about one time when I went, well, that's for the second book. Obviously the way they cut things, like, it's like very much like, well, if it doesn't move the story along, then we're gonna just like cut it. I mean, I had say obviously what got cut too. But it was like, are you with

[A]

like Simon and Schuster or something.

[B]

I'm with Grand Central Publishers, which. They're really great, honestly. They were the first people I met with, and I was, like, done and done. They were, like, my favorite. They were wonderful. They're so great. So I love them so much. They did a book I actually do want to read. Do you know Shana Shay?

[A]

Yeah, of course I know Shana Shay.

[B]

What show? She's from. She's from Bravo.

[A]

She's on Vandermar Rules, and now she's on the Valley. Well, no, she's on the Valley. They didn't ask her to be part of the Valley.

[B]

She's not on the Valley?

[A]

No, she's not on Valley.

[B]

She had a book come out and they did her book. And when I signed with them, they're like, we just did Shana Shay's book, and I liked the COVID Shana Shay

[A]

definitely does not like me.

[B]

Wait, really?

[A]

Oh, she totally does it.

[B]

Wait, why do you know or have you. What have you said about her?

[A]

I know for a while.

[B]

Have you talked about her online? Because you are.

[A]

One time I did a show, Shina Shay, Hot Topics that were bothering me all about her. Yeah. Because she was in the news and she was being ridiculous. I just know she doesn't like me.

[B]

Oh, well, shout out Shay.

[A]

But, like, whatever. I, I don't mind her. She's perfectly cringe.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, you like a millennial cringe, though. You don't mind a little cringe?

[A]

I, I, if it's done well, yes. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Who's your.

[A]

You're like my millennial.

[B]

I'm very millennial cringe. But I'm trying to embrace the cringe these days.

[A]

I was thinking, I was like, how bad about Trisha Paytas?

[B]

I don't think, I think I wouldn't hold against you. I say something bad about everybody, so I'm never like, you said something bad about me. Like, how dare you? Like, I probably said, not you, but about everybody.

[A]

Well, I kind of, like, figured out who you were through, like, Oscar and stuff. Like, I knew who you were before that.

[B]

I like that. Lord.

[A]

But after I, like, met you a few times, I was like, oh, you know what? She's really nice in person. So, like, wait, I'm sad she's going through all that.

[B]

I love it. That's so cool. I always love how people find out about me, because I always do want to know. And it's so interesting that it's through Oscar, because Oscar, that's how we met. Right. It was like he was. He like, reached out from Access, and I was like, why? This is so cool. And he always kind of, like, championed for me. And I was like, I've always liked him. Every. Every job I've ever had. I'm like, I need a higher Oscar.

[A]

Like, he's so smart, so good at red carpet reporting. They need to use him more.

[B]

He's so good, researching everything, questions. Like, he is the best. So then when I met you, because I came with the Heartbreak Tour shirt, I said, did you come to the show? And you're like, oh, no, you just. Because you said the top of the show. Like, you're like, you just threw it at me.

[A]

It has a hole in it, too. But I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna wear it anyway.

[B]

Anyway, this is vintage.

[A]

I wear it to the gym a lot, actually. But I washed it and I was like, I'm gonna.

[B]

No, it looks so nice. It looks like actually, like, really new because I thought the. The. This would be coming off right now because it's so cheap, the graphic and stuff like that.

[A]

But I know I went to none of the tour dates.

[B]

No one did. Even my LA show. I had, like, literally, I'm not just saying this, whatever, to be humble. It was true. Globe Theater, it had, like 50 people there. And it's LA, right? So you think everyone come. But, like, I was best friends with, like, Shane at the time. He didn't come. Like, no one came to my show. Shout out. Gigi G. Gigi Gorgeous always came to my shows, but no one came to anyone. I love Gigi. She's like my everything. She. I think she auditioned for Real Housewives, and I think. I think another YouTuber, Rosanna Pansino, just said she auditioned for Real Housewives too, that it was between her and. Who's the. Who's the designer? Rachel Zoe. Is she on Housewives?

[A]

Oh, she is on Housewives.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she's. She's kind of gag on Housewives.

[B]

Okay. Because I don't.

[A]

She is a good. She's not. She doesn't get into the drama, but she has a really good storyline. She's, like, going through a divorce. Her ex husband's being, like, so annoying, and he, like, is, like, dating this girl and her kids film and her kids, like, love her. You can tell. And they have, like, they have the most ridiculous names.

[B]

Do you think everyone has to be a little. What's the names?

[A]

Oh, God, no. It's escaping me.

[B]

I mean, is that because, I mean, obviously I have Aquaman and Elvis and Malibu Barbie.

[A]

Oh, I love that. They're real names, right?

[B]

They're their real names. People think they're aliases. They're on their birth certificates, Social Security cards, all of it.

[A]

Honestly, though, that's. No one's gonna steal their identity.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you were thinking smarter than that.

[B]

Are you Aquaman? Yes, I am Aquaman.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely.

[B]

Is there anybody on there that is not problematic? Is there anyone that's just like a nice, good person that everyone loves?

[A]

I feel to be on Housewives, you have to be a bit nefarious.

[B]

Yeah, you have to be. I love the nefarious word. That's your word of the day, and I love it. I didn't know what it meant, but now from context clues, I know what it means.

[A]

You're a little bit diabolical to be diabolical.

[B]

Okay. Orange county, they're all diabolical too.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I'm friends with one of the Orange county girls.

[B]

Which one?

[A]

Tamara Judge.

[B]

Tamara Judge. Okay. She's like an og, right? She's been on for a while.

[A]

Yeah, she was on it for. She's still on it.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

She took like a two season break and then she came back back in like 20, like for season 17. Now it's season 20.

[B]

Vicki's been the longest, right?

[A]

She just came back. Yeah.

[B]

What about, like, the older, like, the. The, like, Bethany Frankel's of it all and stuff?

[A]

Like, Bethany Frank calls me blocked on TikTok. I find her so annoying.

[B]

She has me. Okay.

[A]

You know what's so funny? She blocks everybody, though. Like, the last thing I ever said, I think, is that, like, we as a society have to stop listening to anything Bethany Frankel says. And then she blocked me. And I only. The only reason I found out is because I was working at People at the time and I would do. They had this, like, YouTube series called, like, People and People in 10, I think, or something like that.

[B]

People in what?

[A]

It was called, like, people in 10. And it was like, you would. So Bethany was talking a lot about Taylor and Travis. This is when Taylor and Travis were, like, in the midst of, like, the beginning of their relationship, and they were everywhere and they're like, can you go and see what Bethenny Frankel was saying about Taylor and Travis? I was like, sure. So I go on my account and I'm like, wait, did she delete her TikTok? And then I was like, huh, interesting. Weird. And then I go on People's account and I was like. I was like, kim. I was like, oh, she Blocked me.

[B]

What did you say about her? Like, why did she block you?

[A]

Probably because what I said, I was like, we have to stop listening to anything Bethany Frankel has to say. But also. But everyone was talking Bethany Frankel like she was being really a menace to society and really, like a nuisance. And also, by the way, I'm not one of those people who started hating Bethany Frankel two years ago. I never liked Bethany Frankel on Housewives.

[B]

Why did people say hating her two years ago? What's the change?

[A]

Because she was on TikTok and she started this whole reality reckoning thing, as if she never benefited from any of it. So it was just like, she's just a hypocrite. Yeah, she's a big hypocrite. She thinks she's. She thinks she's the smartest person in the room.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And she's not. Not successful by any means. Obviously. She has money. She does this whatever, but she's just so desperado. And it's like, so, like, she's just like, oh, my God. She's a know it all. She's an annoying know it all that thing. She knows everything about everything. And she. She says a bunch of buzzwords that make. She says to wonder. She was saying this buzzword. She's like, it's a zero sum game. And if you have a game that zero sum, then you can't sum up the game. She talks like that. And it's like, oh, my God, shut up. Like, you do not. Oh, my God. I'm like, you know what?

[B]

The one. The latest Hot Topic that kind of got me with her was the. Because I actually, I like her. She was nice to me at Unwell. She seemed like, fine. Is the Shoe Gate the one where she didn't, like, tag the shoe.

[A]

Oh, she'd be doing that.

[B]

But she was like, I was going to the shoe sold out. So she's like, I found a dupe. So I feel like, I don't know, I'm not a Bethany Frankel defender, but maybe she gets a little bit of.

[A]

But everyone's gonna be nice to you because you're more famous than that.

[B]

That's not true. Not everyone's nice to me, especially someone like,

[A]

it's because you're more famous than them. You have your own.

[B]

The Housewives.

[A]

You are more famous than most of them.

[B]

Erica Jane was getting swarmed at that CA Pride party. I was not getting swarmed the way she was. They were all over her.

[A]

But if you were to. But everyone you're way more global than them. Okay.

[B]

I'm not.

[A]

Let's not think Erika Jayne.

[B]

Let's think, like, yeah, Erika Jane's huge.

[A]

I want to think of, like, okay, if Whitney Rose from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City walks into a room and you walk into a room, you're way more famous than Whitney Rose.

[B]

I didn't even know there was a Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

[A]

Oh, my God. They're like, you would like that show.

[B]

Are they competing against the Mormon Wives?

[A]

That show is bananas.

[B]

Wait, really?

[A]

Yeah. And it came out before Mormon Wives.

[B]

I never hear anyone talk about it.

[A]

Their BravoCon panel was packed.

[B]

Oh, okay. I need to get on this side. I do need to get on this side.

[A]

The white girls love Salt Lake City. Yeah. No, they do. Lisa Barlow, you would love her. I'm friends with her. She's so funny.

[B]

Lisa Barlow. Okay.

[A]

She's like the queen on there, and all the girls hate her. She's kind of like the Taylor. Not the Taylor. Frankie Paul in, like, the domestic abuse way, but, like, in the sense that all the girls are jealous of her, of everything she has going on. And she has music. She just came out with a song. It's called Baby Gorgeous, and it's gorgeous. Baby Gorgeous. But she's trying to be elevated.

[B]

Who do you think is the best housewife song?

[A]

Honestly, I tap my toe when I hear don't be tardy for the party. Oh, you know, Louis Dune has some good music. Yeah. Kim Zoliak. You would be friends with her. I feel like.

[B]

Yeah, I liked her. She was another one that was like, foreclosed house. And then actually, I have money. And then actually, I was like, I kind of love the whole storyline of all them. You know, it's like, I loved her wigs. I loved everything. I liked the. Is it Countess Luanne?

[A]

Money can't buy you class. And then she has chic. C' est la vie. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I feel like she's kind of camp.

[A]

Yeah, she is camp. She is camp.

[B]

I need to go. I guess if there's ever a Housewives music tour, I could go on there. If I become a housewife.

[A]

No, you would. They would. They would make you do that. You could perform at. Watch what Happens Live.

[B]

Like, Andy Cohen. Let me be a guest next time. I was a bartender, and I. And I was very appreciative of a bartender, but I would love to be a guest. Oh, I'm not on Bravo.

[A]

So you're gonna be. I'm manifesting.

[B]

I would love it. Yeah.

[A]

And then you're new traders and you'd see the stars and you're gonna do.

[B]

Then I can be on there as a guest.

[A]

Then you'll be the host of Love Island.

[B]

I would love. Oh, my gosh, if our animatics ever leaves. I would love to do that. What's a hot topic right now that you're, like, obsessed with? Like, like, you're, like, the hottest topic.

[A]

Oh, my God. Obsessed with a hot topic. I'm obsessed with.

[B]

Is there anything, like, recent that you're like, oh, my God, I'm obsessed with? This, obviously. What was the Love island mess last week, Kenny?

[A]

Oh, wait, Okay. I wanted you to explain that to me because I. So I know.

[B]

Oh, did I say it?

[A]

Yeah. You're the one who was like, what's going on with Jae and Kenny? And I was like. And I did kind of know.

[B]

I didn't know because I. First of all, I don't know. That's why I always need help explaining these things.

[A]

Well, I know kind of what happened. So basically, they broke up, like, a year ago or I guess, like eight months ago. this point, people.

[B]

He went on, I saw her. She was, like, in this, like, it looked like a Rolls Royce. It was like a sparkly, like, window behind her. She was like. Had, like, these spark lights. And she was like, I've never been abusive. And I just saw all my favorite creators reposting, like, they were all, like, reposting it and support, like, we know, whatever. And then I saw him on a podcast being like, she was abusive or something. And she. I've never been abusive. Like, what is he talking about?

[A]

I guess he said some racist stuff to her in the relationship. Or she looked through his phone and sound found all this stuff saying that he doesn't really like her and doesn't like that she. She's black. Allegedly. Allegedly. And so I guess he went on this podcast and basically told a bunch of lies. And then all the people that were on Love island with them who were on her side were like, this is up. This isn't true. Like, you're a liar. And then he said, like. And then when we went to Cannes and he was talking about Cannes also

[B]

me, though, I would never. I don't know how you pronounce it. Cannes Canes. Is it Cannes? What is it?

[A]

I thought it was. I actually. I think it's Cannes. It's Cannes. But it's so funny because Andy Cohen even commented, like, Cannes.

[B]

Any Khan commented on TikTok. Yeah.

[A]

On Instagram, being like, he did not say it, like, when we went to Cannes.

[B]

Just raising canes down the street.

[A]

I guess I'm obsessed with, like, how people think Brinity is, like, better than Nickelandria, and it's like a. Brinity's the new winner. Yeah. They won, and I'm not. I think they're grifters, but it's fine.

[B]

Oh, my God. Wait, what? I thought you, like, loved Love Island. I thought you were, like, all obsessed with all them.

[A]

I didn't love this. I didn't like the talent this season.

[B]

Really? I felt like they were pretty good. Who's the one that does the clam slam? That was on call.

[A]

She should come here. You guys could do that together.

[B]

I would love. I guess I need to watch it. I never got into. I really need to get into it.

[A]

But you have, like, a real life. You've got, like, three kids.

[B]

Well, so do you. You're busy. You're at every event.

[A]

Yeah, but I.

[B]

Where were you last night?

[A]

Oh, I.

[B]

Baseball game.

[A]

It was like a soccer game for the We Are Angel City team. It's like a pride game for this, like, female soccer team.

[B]

Did you get paid?

[A]

No, I was invited as a plus one.

[B]

You're always, like, partnering, hashtagging. I'm like, damn, you really are everywhere.

[A]

I just started, like, really, really getting paid, like, a few months ago, too.

[B]

Congratulations, though. That's all, like, really huge stuff. All the stuff you're doing. How many events a week do you go to?

[A]

It's different every week. This. This past week was a lot. I probably went to, like, four events this week.

[B]

I know I was seeing you because you had your birthday. Then all of a sudden, you're just, like, at another event. Another event.

[A]

And I was in Brazil before my birthday.

[B]

What were you there for?

[A]

I went to a wedding. It was, like, the. Honestly, the most.

[B]

So many weddings. I've only been to one wedding my entire life. How many weddings have you been to in the past year? Because you just mentioned you saw. Who did you see? You saw someone at a wedding, and I was like, oh, who do you see?

[A]

Oh, who did I see? Oh, that was Morgan Adams.

[B]

Oh, Morgan Adams.

[A]

That wedding was, like, two Septembers ago.

[B]

How many weddings have you been to your entire life?

[A]

You think at this point, I've probably been to, like, 11.

[B]

I've been to one. I've been to Gigi Gordes's wedding. That's it.

[A]

That's it. Do you have a lot of friends?

[B]

No, but again, that's. I.

[A]

You do have A lot of friends. I feel like you do have a lot. I feel like you. You.

[B]

I don't have any.

[A]

You're going to make mom friends.

[B]

Manifest that for me.

[A]

Famous mom friends. We're going to get you and Ashley Tissell's mom group. No, not that one.

[B]

We want to be in the one.

[A]

Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yes. Yeah, that's what I meant. We need to get in Hillary Dust on you can do Hillary Dawson.

[B]

They would never let me know that they're scared of, like, Ashley Tisno writing an article, me having a podcast every week. They're gonna be like, hell, no, not this person in it. Because you know me. I'd be telling.

[A]

So annoying how celebrities are so cautious now.

[B]

Yeah, you have to be, though. It's like Wendy said that too. Wendy Williams would always be like, you can't be friends with the people you talk about. You know what I mean? The Hot Topics. Because I agree.

[A]

I kind of like.

[B]

Yeah, I get that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I get that, too. I feel like there's a reason and that's fine because I, you know, me. And I will, too. I will. I'll always hint. I'll be like, I can't really talk about, but. And I'm always, like, insinuating. So I feel like I would be the actual worst friend. I know this is your whole thing.

[A]

And then it's like, I don't know.

[B]

I always share what we did for the weekend and stuff like that. So I'd always be like, so I was with this group, but I can't say who. And then I'd be considering, okay, this person who was on tv. Like, I'd just be like, looking at

[A]

you just reminds me of every single YouTube star that, like, you surpass.

[B]

I don't know if that's true.

[A]

You guys are, like, in your own, like, you guys. You guys have the upper echelon of people.

[B]

Stop it. I mean, that's really nice to say, but Tana, Mr.

[A]

Beast, because who talks about PewDiePie?

[B]

Yeah, he kind of retired. He kind of, like, retired and went under the radar himself because David Dobrik

[A]

is kind of like.

[B]

He's still having those parties, though. David Dobrik is still having a David Dobrik party and getting sponsored and, you know, I guess good for him, I suppose.

[A]

He's on Snapchat.

[B]

Are you on Snapchat?

[A]

No, I'm grown.

[B]

They banned me. Snapchat has banned me. They do not let me make another account. I heard what.

[A]

Snapchat is where the money is.

[B]

I don't know if it's still like that. I think it was like that. Maybe it is. I know when people would come on this podcast years ago, like the Leo Skeppies of it all, and they'd be like, I make, like, six figures or whatever. I don't know. They make a lot of money. Not Leo specifically, but other people. They'd be like, I make six figures a month off Snapchat, and it's just like, damn, Like, I really should get on there. And then I realized I was banned. But then I realized I think David has, like, an in with the Snapchat people, so I also could be. Why?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean.

[A]

Oh, so you think he's, like, blackballing you from Snapchat?

[B]

Maybe. Boss Ball, like you said, I don't really care. I'm like a Snapchat. I don't really care.

[A]

Like, I have a podcast and a book and, like, I have everything else. You're like, I'm better than you. No. And I think you are.

[B]

Not me.

[A]

Not me.

[B]

No. I like to be under the radar for as much as possible. You know what I mean? I just like to just. I just like to exist in the world.

[A]

Walk me through your normal day.

[B]

I mean, if it's the podcast day, it's like glam podcast.

[A]

If it's Chris Appleton comes over here and then he hightails it out before your guest comes.

[B]

Chris Appleton.

[A]

And you didn't save him for me. That should have been in my rider. Forget a car. Where's Chris Appleton?

[B]

Do you like Chris Appleton?

[A]

Yeah, of course. He's like, I see him at the gym.

[B]

Oh, maybe that's why the Kardashians don't invite me. It's not that I don't like him, but I am. I was friends. I am friends with Lucas Gage. So maybe they're like, ooh, yeah, bad blood. Maybe they're like, no, you know what? I don't know. Chris Appleton. Maybe I shouldn't apologize. Chris Appleton. Maybe that's why I'm not advised.

[A]

He has a book to promote. You should get him on. I know his publicist.

[B]

What's his book called?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Oh, wasn't it something pun. It was like something like a pun, like, your roots don't define you. Oh, I think that's what it is.

[A]

Is that a pun or is that just like a Tumblr quote?

[B]

Well, like a pun, because he does hair. I don't know, like a little.

[A]

Oh, your roots don't.

[B]

Right. Maybe it's Not a pun, it's something else. I don't know what that's called.

[A]

Like a pun. Your roots don't define you.

[B]

Yeah, I guess a little bit, but. Okay. So sorry to Chris Appleton because I think it's at one time too that he didn't have a good reputation to with his assistants. But I don't know. I don't know. Don't come for me. Chris Appleton, I love you. If I can be with the Kardashians, like, I love you.

[A]

So Chris Appleton comes over, he does your glam and then what?

[B]

Tony Shout out. Tony Runnerhands. He does my glam and then I do some content. You came right on time. So usually like in the morning, I'll like get some content done. Cause days like my Mondays, Wednesdays, we do the podcast. So like, like my mom or like we have help with the kids and so then we can get all the stuff done. But Tuesdays and Wednesdays are for the kids. So we usually do like kids activities. They have dance class, they have tumbling. They're on summer break right now, so it's a little different. So we can go do like an activity with them. And then Fridays are usually like a day that I can go do stuff. So I'm recording like my audiobook on Fridays or I have like stuff I gotta do. Which what happened last weekend was, is I got canceled on for this thing. So I had the whole day to myself. I didn't know what to do. I was like, oh my God. I had like childcare, all this stuff arranged. I'm like, what do I do with my day now?

[A]

Because a spa.

[B]

Well, I have to be productive. If I was at a spa, I would feel like really bad about myself. Although that's what my husband said to. He's like, you just take a day off and rest. I was like, no, I hate Go to home Goods.

[A]

Treat yourself to a shopping spree, Go to the mall. When was the last time you went to the mall? Could you go to the mall without being bombarded?

[B]

Yeah. Cause no one goes to the mall anywhere. And like no one's there. It's like dead.

[A]

I was. I ate lunch there, actually. Yeah.

[B]

Because my friend where at? Okay. That's so random. Love that.

[A]

Well, we went there. Cause my friend, so she grew up in West Hollywood, but she also grew up in the Valley. Her dad lived in the Valley, her mom lived in West Hollywood. So she was like, I'm going to show you like my Valley stomping grounds. And then she took. So she grew up down the street from Dylan and Cole Sprouse. And she'd be like, this is where I saw their dog. And my dad saved their dog, and he, like, helped them. And she was like, yeah. And then she said she met one of her friends, like, because they were in this Dylan and Cole Sprouse, like, group.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Like, message board, you know. You know, she's a little older than me. Like, you know, message board, whatever.

[B]

So, like, are they older than you, the Sprouse twins?

[A]

They're, like, 33, maybe.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I'm 31. Well, whatever. Like, you know, Internet. Like MySpace.

[B]

I feel you.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I grew up in that weird, like, era. Like, I'd see I was young enough to have an aim. Like, old enough. Sorry. Young enough to have a TikTok. Old enough to have had an aim.

[B]

Did you have an aim? What was your aim name?

[A]

Fresh for I. Fresh with 3 H's for I. X.

[B]

Oh, I love that. Yeah, mine was Blonde Sandell4MJ. And that's why my YouTube channel is Blonde Sundal4MJ, because it was a name.

[A]

Blonde Sundell. What?

[B]

Blonde Blnd With. No, no. What are those consonants? Vowels? Vowels?

[A]

Yeah, vowels.

[B]

Vowels. There was no vowels. So it says, blnd.

[A]

You want to do homeschool?

[B]

Well, I would have a teacher come. I. Trust me. That's why when you said you went to college, I'm always like, damn, I'm already intimidated. Like, I'm already intimidated. But people think it's Blind Sundial because there's no bowels. And so it's Blonde Sundial4MJ. And that was my AIM username. And then it just became my YouTube and still my YouTube name. And everyone's like, what does this mean? I'm like, I don't know. It's just, like, a name that I had. Because you had some crazy. Because everyone had so many.

[A]

I know I had a lot of. But that AIM account was, like, special to me.

[B]

Did you ever keep the name? Did you keep the email associated with it?

[A]

Yeah, it's. I don't want to say what I use it for, but, yeah, now I want to know.

[B]

What do you use it for? It's like, okay, so you've had it for a while. Cause I kept my original Hotmail. That's associated with it, too.

[A]

I don't even know how to change it. It's just connected to, like, things.

[B]

Everything. I know that's what I say about.

[A]

Well, just, like, everything I use, like, Apple, but, like, not. Like, if I get email, like, not professional emails or anything like that.

[B]

You direct that now to your agent? Professional emails.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I do. But then, like, there's people, you know, I get, like, Dick's clearance sales spam emails to my actual email that I use.

[B]

I do the same thing. I know my email, too. I, like, never. It just has so much spam. Cause I have a hotmail. My original one is Hotmail, so that's so much spam.

[A]

Oh, vintage.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. It was associated with my aim. So I always have the same thing with phones. I always tell people, like, their phone numbers to always keep it because you always need that.

[A]

I have the same one.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, you always have to. I change mine, but I always keep that one phone with my old phone number because just in case.

[A]

I've had the same phone number since, like, eighth grade. I can't change it.

[B]

You never change it. You never get, like, harassed.

[A]

It's an easy number. So even if I did, I block them. I had this crazy guy who was calling me, though, like, a couple weeks ago off, no caller id, and I literally was like, I'm next to a cop. Can you please? And he would call me in the middle of the night being like, hey, baby, how are you? And I'm like, who is this?

[B]

And when he. Do you think it was for you or you think it was mixing someone up? Like, he thought it was someone else he was calling.

[A]

I was with my friend one time, and she's like, it sounds like he relapsed and he's like, on drugs or something like that, and he thinks you're someone else. So then I was like, can you not a next to a cop? And he just hung up. And he just. He hasn't called me since.

[B]

Oh, my God. It's very much like those TikTok trends where it's like, okay, use this. If you're in the back of an Uber, and it's like, hey, baby, like, I just got out of prison. Like, I'm gonna go pick you up or something like that. So that way the Uber driver's, like, scared of, like, whatever conversation you're having.

[A]

I'm a waymo girl now.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Unless, like, you know, a brand says, we have an Uber code for you, but, like, it's a black, so it's like, you know, less disarming. Like, what are you going to do to me? Right?

[B]

Oh, my God. Wait, is that a thing? So that, like, if we were black, it's like, they're.

[A]

Well, they give you, like, Like, a voucher, and then, like, I get in an Uber. But Uber Blacks are more, like, sophisticated. Like, you get in, there's water, and then, like, you know, you can tell them to talk to you or not.

[B]

And they could still poison that water. They could still put some stuff in the water.

[A]

Oh, I never drink the water. But the water's just there, you know, to make you feel comfortable. Like, why would I drink there? I'm not drinking the water. I don't know where it came from. I know.

[B]

That's why I was always that, too. So the Waymo is no driver and you feel safe?

[A]

Ah, extremely.

[B]

You got on the freeway with the Waymo once?

[A]

Yes, with my friend. It was at night, which was crazy. I haven't done it since, though. But that's so scary. The ones I've gotten in alone, just, like, mean roads.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

But I love it. But the thing. What? I don't like on my street, I live on this really big hill. It won't go up the hill. You have to meet them at the bottom of the hill. So that's kind of what's annoying. And it doesn't go up. Yeah, and it doesn't. If you live in, like, Laurel Canyon, it won't come to, like, those, like, hillside homes or stuff. You have to, like, meet them somewhere.

[B]

Oh, so you have to be like.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. If you're going somewhere, like, within the city, like, it'll drop you off in front of it.

[B]

We don't have them out here. We don't have Waymos out here.

[A]

You don't know. You never use the app.

[B]

Well, I haven't seen them. Like, when we were in Santa Monica at Benihana, we saw a bunch of Waymos.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Cause you had a spinner.

[A]

Yeah, we don't have a spinner.

[B]

Dystopian. It is crazy. It's such a wild thing.

[A]

But it's like a cute little jaguar. You can play your own music. So, like, they have, like, this weird, like, soliloquy that plays, but you can, like, connect it, change it, and you can play, like, whatever song. So one time my friend was like, I never went in a Waymo before, and I was like, let's do it. And we played, like, Gunna all the way from, like, West Hollywood to Santa Monica way.

[B]

That sounds so scary.

[A]

Yeah. And you can, like, blast it. And it's just like, a vibe, like. And I film TikToks in there because it's like, well, who's watching me?

[B]

Probably somebody, but are you doing one In Waymo.

[A]

Yeah. I have a couple of gentleman Waymos.

[B]

Yeah. So you're like hot topics that are bothering me. And you're like. You're just in a Waymo.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I totally got it. I was bitching about Kyle Richards in Real House of Beverly Hills in a Waymo one time. I was in office.

[B]

What's your beef with Kyle Richards the second time you brought her up?

[A]

Oh, I don't have beef with her.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I just feel like. So she. Okay, here's the thing with Kyle Richards. So she is. So she separated from her husband of like 27 years. Mauricio. There's always been like rumors that he like, cheated or whatever.

[B]

But like, he's gay, right?

[A]

No, no, I thought he was. Oh, he's not gay. He's with every girl on the planet, honey.

[B]

Oh, really? Okay.

[A]

But she was seeing this while it's up in the air. She was having this kind of relationship with Morgan Wade that she has, like. She has alluded to that it was like a relationship. I think she's afraid of coming out as lesbian. But she's not. I don't think she's lesbian. I feel like this woman.

[B]

I thought she was. I thought she was bi. Cow Richards.

[A]

Well, she never really said she was bi. She just said like, me and my daughters had to talk about this. And like. But she never really said anything. She never says anything about her real life and what's going on. But the thing is, she would flaunt Morgan and I think to make her exit. And then the next season came along and people would ask her, like, what's going on with Morgan? She's like, out of respect for Morgan, I'm not gonna talk about it. Wait, who's Morgan? Morgan Wade is like this defunct country star who everybody knows now because only cause she's with Kyle Richards. And now Morgan's like, well, I don't wanna be associated with their show. But it's like, but no one would know you if you weren't with Kyle Richards.

[B]

Oh, I see. I see. So they try to like, okay, but

[A]

yeah, but Kyle's like, but for her identity. And it's like, but.

[B]

But you already had her out there. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And also it's like. And everybody knows and they're paparazzi together. She goes to her shows, like, and I think, like, so I don't know. I just feel like Morgan Wade came into her life at the right time. So I don't know, beef with Kyle Richards. I'm sure she's a nice Nice, lovely woman. I've interviewed her a couple times. She probably doesn't. She probably remembers me as much as you do, but, like, literally, we're.

[B]

To be fair, we didn't really. You were. Okay. Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, I have no beef with Kyle Richards. I just want her to, like. She just doesn't talk about her life or what's really going on in her marriage, so it's, like, weird.

[B]

So you're just more.

[A]

But she's like, you know, OG darling. Like, everybody loves her.

[B]

Yeah, we said the same hairstylist. And you always said she was really nice. I don't know anything about her, but, yeah, I'm sure.

[A]

She's so nice.

[B]

She seems. And Paris Hilton's mom's on it, too, right?

[A]

She's Kathy. Yes, we love Kathy. Kathy's one of the kooks I was talking about.

[B]

Oh, she's a kook.

[A]

She's a kooky girl. So Sutton's a kook. Jennifer Tilly's a kook, and Kathy's a kook, and I like Sutton and I like Kathy, but Jennifer Tilly's, like, too much of a kook. And I'm like, we have too many kooks, too.

[B]

Too many kooks in the kitchen.

[A]

Yeah, we need more glam dolls.

[B]

She's also a RB spokesperson. I always see her do, like, brand deals with Arby's.

[A]

Oh, yeah. So does Lisa Barlow.

[B]

Oh, I love that. I love.

[A]

Am I spitting on you everywhere? I just realized.

[B]

No, not at all. Not at all. I wouldn't even know. But anyways, it's fine if you do, because it's very Broadway.

[A]

Well, you have toddlers. You have three, two, and one I

[B]

spit on all the time. But I didn't. Didn't even notice at all. No, I did. I. I love Arby's. I do a lot of brand deals with Arby's. And then I went and did, like, a little, like, meet and greet with Arby's. Not meet and greet, but, like, I did, like, a little speaking engagement at the Arby's thing, and they're talking about how much they love Kathy Hilton and Paris Hilton and how, like, naturally integrated. They, like, love Arby's. Because Arby's gets a lot of slander. I know.

[A]

She.

[B]

On TikTok. I do, too. And TikTok, there's that trend again. TikTok trends that need to die. There's a trend going around where they're, like, in the office, and they'll be like, oh, like, the. The client is gonna Buy us lunch. Like, what do you want? Like, where are we getting? And they're like, Arby's and like, oh, no, no thank you. Like, they'll say like, no to free lunch. And I was like, it's. Arby's is so good. So, so annoying. But I love.

[A]

The only fast food place I don't like is Carl's Jr.

[B]

Interesting. They just sponsored David Dobrik's party maybe. No, I agree with you not to be a Carl's Jr. Hater. I used to like it back in the day you have star chicken nuggets and now it's just like, not as good. They have good friends, show sticks, but that's about it.

[A]

I feel like their menu is just really random.

[B]

Like, it's random.

[A]

Like Arby's has their, like, it's like chicken.

[B]

Yes, that's the beefs. They meats. They have the meats. They have the roast beef sandwich, right?

[A]

And McDonald's has like, you know, they're like the fries. I love McDonald's fries.

[B]

McDonald's fries I think are the best fries. I think mozzarella sticks are the best at Arby's. Buffalo Wild Wings has really good, like boneless.

[A]

Oh my. Buffalo Wild Wings is where I'd go after like football games. Like, we'd like all eat.

[B]

What did you do in high school?

[A]

What do you mean? Like, sports?

[B]

Yeah, did you do sports? Did you play?

[A]

I ran track. I was bad at everything else.

[B]

You ran track? Are you still good at it? Like track meet? Like, would you be able to.

[A]

Dude, I wasn't even good with that. See, so one of three black kids at the school. Like, I was good for that standard. Then I would verse other schools. I'm like, ooh, I am not. I'm not shikari.

[B]

Wait, so what is track? It's like running or is it the.

[A]

Oh, well, so track is like, it's a bunch of different events. So like you could be long distance, you could do hurdles, shot put. Yeah, you could do that. But I did like sprinting. I didn't do hurdles. I just did sprint. So I do like a 100 meter sprint.

[B]

Are you fast?

[A]

I was then and I like tried then.

[B]

I want to do little. We want to do a little track meet. And I. Because I never was good in school, but now that I'm like a runner, I would love to try and run again. I used to like, not even do the miles.

[A]

You are running away. Oh, my God. I've been seeing all your running videos.

[B]

I love running and it's like, my new favorite thing. And I would love to do a little, like, sprint. That would be kind of fun. I'm not, like, fast, but we should

[A]

do a video where, like, who's so

[B]

fun do you go running? First of all, anyone's faster than me. A turtle's faster than me right now. But are you really fast? That would be fun.

[A]

I don't think I'm as fast as I used to be, but, like, I can run for sure.

[B]

Where do you go? Like, where do you go running on

[A]

the treadmill at Equinox.

[B]

Oh, I'll see you there. I have an eminent Equinox too.

[A]

You are?

[B]

Yes, I do my Pilates at Equinox. I just.

[A]

Oh, I do my Pilates at Equinox too.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. What class do you go to? You go to one. Oh, you start to do Pilates. You don't want to dox yourself.

[A]

I do.

[B]

I'm there Friday at 9am I do

[A]

pilates Fusion or Pilates Mat. You know what? I was in my Pilates class on Friday and not everyone showed up to this girl's class and she's like, oh, wait, all the advanced people are here. We can make this harder.

[B]

And I was like, are you an advanced person? Are you, like, standing on the machines? I can't stand yet on the machine.

[A]

I'm all at Equinox.

[B]

Oh, reformer.

[A]

Wait, really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All reformers?

[B]

Yeah. Do you have one where you go to any of them?

[A]

I only belong to all of them because West Hollywood is flagship and they make you join all of them. Because West Hollywood's a flagship. That's like the marketing ploy. It's like, honestly, like, I'm so capitalist.

[B]

Oh, my God. That is kind of crazy. At least you can go to any of them now if you're traveling.

[A]

I know that's. Well, no, only the ones in la.

[B]

Oh, so you can't go to, like, New York or something?

[A]

No.

[B]

Are you traveling a lot?

[A]

Oh, yeah, I'm on the plane. I'm always late to my flight.

[B]

Oh, wait, you missed a flight.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

You've always made it.

[A]

No, I've been flying, like, for years. Like, I used to. My aunt lives in London. A lot of my family members live in London.

[B]

Actually love London.

[A]

And so during the summers, for the full summer, I would go to London for, like, three months. So, like, I used to fly alone, like, before 9, 11. The parents used to be able to go. You would be with a bunch of kids and you would have an escort and, like, you would board the plane first. And then, like, everyone else would, like, deplane, and then you would, like, deplane last with, like, whoever. So before 9 11, I remember I would always cry before I left. And literally, I was on the plane. My mom's like, like, I'll be right back. And then it never came back.

[B]

But, like, were you not traumatized from that? Oh, I'd be so traumatized.

[A]

I kind of knew she wasn't coming back. Like, I just knew. I was like, you're not gonna ride on this plane with me. Like, eight hours.

[B]

Being right back's crazy. That's like. I think that. Okay, I had trauma, too. My dad would say that to me before he would, like, leave, and I wouldn't see him for, like, six months. So I have trauma. So anytime I leave now, my kids, like, will be really sad and cry if I have to go on a plane. But now I just have to tell them because, like, that was like, the most traumatic thing is, like, when my dad be like, I'll be right back. And then I wouldn't see him for a year. And I'd be like, where's Daddy? Like, it's so sad.

[A]

So I was like, oh, a year. Okay.

[B]

See?

[A]

So she only really did. I think she did it. Cause she knew that would get me to shut up. And then once I got there, she knew, like, it's gonna be fine.

[B]

I had no trauma. That's good. I had trauma. So I turned out to my kids, I'm like, okay, Mommy's going on a plane. And they'll be. They'll be crying. But I'm like, but I'm coming right back. And.

[A]

Well, now it's annoying. Cause when I travel with my parents, they try to tell me what to do, and I'm like, shut up. I know how to work in airport.

[B]

You put me on this alone.

[A]

Yeah, I know how to get through here. Like, I am paying attention. Like, don't worry.

[B]

Are you close with them now?

[A]

Yeah, I've always been close with them. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. It's only child, so you're just like, okay, you're best friends with your parents, which I think is kind of cute.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, we're. You know, we have a vibe.

[B]

I love a one and done. I think for so long, the stigma was like, you can't just have one kid. Like, they have to have a sibling. So it's like you feel pressured to have, like, a second kid. But tick tock is very. I'm on mom talk. Where it's very, like, one and done. One is chic. Like have one kid.

[A]

One is chic.

[B]

I will say, yeah, you kind of can, like, travel the world and just do a bunch of stuff.

[A]

I don't know if I'd have one myself. I'd probably. Probably just have two and that's it.

[B]

Oh, that's interesting. Wait, why? Because, like, as an only child, you're close with your family, you got, like, all these opportunities.

[A]

I think, like, one is just, like, you have a buddy. Like, I don't know. I feel like even though it worked for me, like, I don't know if I'd want to. I feel like it's a lot to entertain an only child.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That's the thing.

[B]

Did you wish you had a sibling?

[A]

No. When I was younger, like, first. When I was like, 4, 5, 6 maybe, but not really. But as I got older, I was like, no, because then my cousins would take. Tell me all the things they have to do. They're like, we have to do chores. We have to do this. And the things they don't get. I'm like, sharing.

[B]

Are you a good sharer?

[A]

I've gotten better about that over the years.

[B]

Originally. Not.

[A]

I'm still. You know what? When I love you, I love you. I will share everything with you. But when you expect me to share, I'm like, I don't have to do that.

[B]

I'm, like, such a sharer. Yeah. I'm just like, we're so ingrained to, like, share that. I'm just like, take it. Like, if you're here and you're like, I want this. I'm like, take it. So much. Like, you want that. Take it. Take whatever you want.

[A]

Yeah, I'm such in a mood. But, like, when you expect something from me, I'm like, well, I don't really have to do anything. I hate when someone tells me what to do. I'm like, I actually don't have to do. And people. You know what's so funny? People feel indebted to that. Like, even in real life, they're like, well, I have to do this. Because they. I was like, you don't have to do anything. And I always tell my friends, I'm like, you don't have to do that. Like, you don't gotta do it.

[B]

I love that, actually.

[A]

And that's what being an only child teaches you. Like, I actually don't have to do that. I don't do anything you say.

[B]

That's so funny. So you didn't want a sibling, but for. As a parent, you would be Like, I need someone to entertain.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think I have the patient. My patience is not good.

[B]

That's so interesting. I was. I will say that part is kind of cool. I was like, they kind of just play with each other, and you're kind of like, oh, this is kind of nice.

[A]

Yeah. I needed a lot of, like, attention. I was like. I was always like, I'm bored. I'm this.

[B]

And were your parents always entertaining you?

[A]

Yeah, at first. But then I found ways to entertain myself. And when I was growing up, I lived in this neighborhood where all these kids. We all lived on the same street. So, like, I would, like, run home, change out of my uniform, go play with them.

[B]

Did you go to private school? Why were you in a uniform?

[A]

I went to a Catholic school for a while. Yeah.

[B]

Are you still.

[A]

Oh, well, to be honest, I didn't grow up, like, religious. I just kind of was. Went there for optics.

[B]

I see.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just because they were like.

[A]

Well, we lived in Boston at the time, like. And, like, you know, that's just what you did. And then me and all my cousins, like, went to the same Catholic school, whatever. And then, like. But then I would come home, change. One time, actually, my dad was home, and he fell asleep, but I would run home and I would change and go hang out with my friends, because we all went. Everyone who lived on the street, we all went to different schools.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I would come home, and then I changed, and then I went home. And then my mom called my friends and was like, where have you been? And I was like. She's like, did you even go home? And she's like, go home and change right now. I was like, I changed. I went home. She goes, your dad said you never came home. And I was like, I did. He was like, I told him. And then I think he was just asleep.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And then she was like, huh? And then she was like, okay, never mind. And then she, like, hung up. And I was like. She thought. She was like, I literally was gonna call God.

[B]

Oh, my God. They just didn't see you come in or what?

[A]

He heard me come in, and I woke him up. And I was like, I think he had come home early or something. And I was like, I'm going here. And he was like, oh, okay. And then I like. So I was like. I was like, we fooled. Totally had a conversation. I was like, later.

[B]

Wait. I kind of love that, though. Did you have cell phones growing up?

[A]

Yeah, I got a cell phone in, like, fourth grade.

[B]

That's like, that's the biggest gap of our generations. Like, we had no cell phones until I was, like, 18.

[A]

Well, I was always doing stuff after school, and both my parents had jobs, so it was always like. And also, like, I wanted one. Like, and then I had a sidekick for a long time.

[B]

Oh, my. In school. Oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah. Like, eighth grade.

[B]

Only child.

[A]

So obnoxious with my sidekick. Teachers hated me, though.

[B]

Does everything, though, to have, like, a little sidekick in school. You were like, that was very Paris Hilton, too. She had this.

[A]

Oh, it was so chic.

[B]

Were you always trying to be. You had said hosting. You said you saw Giuliana Rancic, and you're like, I need to do that. Were you always trying to be in entertainment?

[A]

Yeah, I just didn't know what I wanted to do. I told myself I wanted to be a Disney Channel actor, but honestly, I was too shy.

[B]

You would have been a great Disney Channel actor. Oh, my gosh.

[A]

I wish I grew up in la because I would have like, you could.

[B]

You give young. You still could be literally, like, yeah,

[A]

but the Disney Channel's not like, what the Disney Channel is like. Back then, when you're on Disney Channel, like, you could do everything.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

But now it's your own Disney Channel.

[B]

It's like, I don't know if it's still around Descendants, I guess. I love Descendants.

[A]

Yeah, but, like, no one talks about it. Like, everyone knew who, Zach, Vanessa, Ashley.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Everyone knew that.

[B]

Did you do a self tape recently? I saw. Were you, like, getting back in my acting era? It was. Was it on Instagram or something or.

[A]

No, I didn't do a self tape.

[B]

No. Okay. I thought someone's, like, getting back into acting.

[A]

When people want me to act, everyone's like, you should be an actor.

[B]

You never acted. You never did audition. Okay. I thought I saw something.

[A]

I did, like, Disney Channel auditions when I was, like, in middle school. But, like, you know, when they would do the big casting calls, Like, I would do that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I would tell nobody.

[B]

And, you know. So you never into acting? You just wanted to host more, so.

[A]

Well, when I realized what I was good at, which was, like, talking trash, I was like, oh, I can do that.

[B]

So if you had a podcast, it would be. Would you think? I guess it's kind of what you do on TikTok and Substack. It's kind of like your Hot Topics.

[A]

Yeah, we do like a Hot Topics. Like, and I don't think you're really good at it. Like, all celebrity news Just like, it could be about the sinkhole, it could be about, like, whatever.

[B]

That's what I love about your TikTok too. You guys have to check them out. Like, your TikTok is really just like, whatever you're doing in the moment. You're like, this is how I'm feeling. This is what I'm looking. And you're like, you are just out there. Like, boots on the ground, everywhere. Just be like, here's how it is. I love it.

[A]

I was at Coachella and I was like, on one of the rides at Revolve, and I was like, hey, guys. Like, I was like, oh, my God.

[B]

Do you ever get not embarrassed? You ever get, like, shy to do it in public? Like, to film in public or you don't care?

[A]

No, because everyone at Coachella and Revolve is doing it.

[B]

What about, like in the sinkhole, though? You're just like, literally across the street

[A]

and you're like, no, because I'm in la and also I'm in, like, I'm in the Mecca of content creators, where that area is like.

[B]

So I'm like, I still get a little shy if it's public. I'm a little shy if I'm at the gym.

[A]

I get weird.

[B]

I'm always holding it down here. If I have to film, I'm like, I'm gonna film down here and not show. Yep.

[A]

But I also feel like people. You'll see the. I don't know. And now I'm just kinda like, whatever. I used to be that way. Sometimes I get weird in front of my friends.

[B]

Really? But they know this is what you do.

[A]

They know. But it's like, sometimes I feel weird. Cause I feel like they're expected. And then I fumble in front of them and I'm like, I get weird. I would get. They're not judging me. I just get weird. Cause I feel like I have to to over perform for it.

[B]

Okay, interesting. That's what I wonder. Cause you are so high energy when you are just like, by yourself. Oh, do you live alone?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

When you're by yourself at home, how are you? Is your mind running a million miles a minute or are you ever like, okay, I need to decompress.

[A]

I love to be outside of my home. I just. I like to be at home when I want to be at home. But, like, I just like to keep myself busy.

[B]

You like to be out and be social and.

[A]

Yeah, I like to be busy. Like, you know, sometimes there are days where I'm like, okay, I'm gonna Stay home today. And then someone will be like, let's do this. And I'm like, okay. And I don't. I don't even think twice.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

I've always been like that, though. Always.

[B]

My whole life, going, extrovert, something.

[A]

Oh, no, I didn't.

[B]

No, you're good. I mean, that's a really great way to be. I'm very much the opposite. And I kind of wish I just had a little bit more of, like, wanting to be around people and things. But I, like, I enjoy it when people come over. This is my socializing, like, when people come over. I do enjoy talking to people. I get so excited.

[A]

I feel like you talk a lot in your house, though.

[B]

I do. That's why I was asking you, because I am very much like how you see me online. So I was wondered if you were the same way. Because, you know, some people. David is a good example. They turn on, like, hey, guys, like, happy to be in the ucm. And they're just so, like, David, like, wouldn't want to do anything. He's like, just not fun. I don't want to go to dinner. I don't want to do this. I don't want, like. But on camera, it's just like. And a lot of those people in the group would be like that. And you're just like, damn. People really do just flip a switch. And they're different.

[A]

I've met some people like that, too. Yeah. And you're, like, weird.

[B]

They're just like, such a dud. And then as soon as the camera

[A]

comes on, I feel like tiktokers aren't like that, though.

[B]

That's true. I would say, like, Alexis Oakley, like, she's exactly how she is in person. Like, I've done classes. She's super nice.

[A]

She's super, super nice.

[B]

And she's exactly how she is online. I think Tana's exactly how she is online. I guess you're right. Maybe more tiktokers. I'm trying to think what other tiktokers I've met.

[A]

Well, tiktokers are a different breed than youtubers.

[B]

I feel like they have energy. Well, they're younger and just.

[A]

I guess like, you remember the OG class of TikTokers, Like Teffy Tinks? Yeah, yeah, obviously. Chris Olsen.

[B]

Yes. I have never met. Oh, I have met Chris Olson. Yeah. They're all very nice.

[A]

We did get him on here. He. He just went through a little bit of a scandal. Not scandal, but, like, he posted this video of his boyfriend breaking up with him.

[B]

It was a video.

[A]

No, he posted a video of finding out that his boyfriend cheated on him diabolically. And he's like, he was at the Gracie Abrams concert when he found out, and he recorded it, and then it made it in the news. And his. And his ex boyfriend made a statement because their whole thing was like, he was private. He never really posted him. But then he's like, oh, whatever. Like, I'm posting this because, like, cheated on yet again. Like, so you know what I mean? Or not cheated on yet again. I don't know if he was cheated on last.

[B]

He did say. He did say twice he was cheated on. Because he also said. Then he. He goes, I think I'm the problem. Cause I'm the common denominator. And I'm like, oh, my God, I feel so bad. He gets a lot of hate, too. And I always feel a little bad for him because I'm like, maybe the gay on gay hate. I'm sure. I don't know. I'm not feeling.

[A]

He's so nice.

[B]

Yeah, he's always very nice to me. I've always liked his content, too. But I feel like he gets, like, a weird hate train. People like, you're annoying for, like, no reason.

[A]

I know. That's what it is, being gay in America. Oh, my God. It's allegations on allegations. Like, you don't even know me.

[B]

He's a very hot gay. I think if you're a conventionally unattractive gay, you might get more likability.

[A]

Don't even get me started on that. I have a whole dissertation on that. I do be feeling like the unattractive gays are getting the world, of course, because I always miss.

[B]

It's not threatening.

[A]

I always miss the era. Like, I always, like, I missed the 2007 era, where I could have been a reporter and been in my bag. Yeah. And then, like, I missed, like, being TikTok famous in the beginning. And then, like, now I'm in that, like, all the unattractive gays are getting in the world.

[B]

And I'm like, yeah. Do you ever think about making yourself less attractive? No. Yeah. No.

[A]

I love privilege. Cause no matter what, I still get pretty.

[B]

Privilege is so real. And like you said, no matter what, it's like the Taylor, Frankie Paul's. Like, everybody is like, they still get. Like Chris Olsen's. They're still getting it. You know what I mean? Like.

[A]

But that's why I feel some people are out to get me, because they're like, you'll figure it out. That's what they all, that's what they love to say. You'll figure it out.

[B]

You'll figure it out. Well, that's why I don't want to lose too much weight. Because I think there is that like, you know, non threatening when you're a little bigger, it's like, oh, well, she's, she's fat, it's fine. And that's true, you know, and then you get skinny. And I was like, oh, but now

[A]

you have your core audience.

[B]

Yeah, I'm not too worried about it now. But that's why I like to be in my little, my little bubble. But sometimes if you're just too attractive,

[A]

you know, I know, it sucks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But wait, but there's another attractive influencer getting everything. Oh, well, see, if you're a girl that doesn't work.

[B]

Try to think of a guy. Let me think of a hot influencer that gets everything.

[A]

They are usually straight.

[B]

Is it? I'm trying. I can't even think now. I'm trying to think. Yeah, you might be right.

[A]

I'm like, yeah, no, I am right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would name names, but I don't want to name them because I like them.

[B]

It's hard to be a hot gang. It's hard to be a hot gay.

[A]

Everyone thinks that you're up to no good.

[B]

Yeah, that is true.

[A]

But I also feel like other gays see right through me.

[B]

Wait, what do you mean? Tell me, explain.

[A]

I don't know, maybe like there's something they see in me that they like are just like, like I'm.

[B]

I think you're just. I can be a little fake.

[A]

Yeah, I'm like, I can be a little like.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

I think not to you. But like, you know, sometimes I'm like, sometimes I'm just gonna like, okay.

[B]

I think you're just so outgoing and like that can be. Yeah. People might just be like, oh, I wish that was me. I wish I could be that. You know what I mean? So they might feel a little.

[A]

But just be that we're here for what reason? You came to LA to like do nothing.

[B]

That's true. That's true. I guess people who like, can't be that. Some people can't be themselves. Some people can't be outgoing and.

[A]

But you know, I have a lot of tools. Journalist, college degree.

[B]

I know. And that's, that's where you and Oscar have that winning combination. Because it's so hard to find where it's like you have, yeah, you have the background, the intelligence like the Brasil, the fun and the pop. Like, it's hard to have all of. And the personality and the looks. So you're a triple threat. And so Jelina Ranzo can never.

[A]

I love Juliana, though.

[B]

That's crazy. That's the hottest. Take you bad. That's the hottest date you have. She is a mess.

[A]

I love Juliana.

[B]

I know she's been through a lot, but she's also been a mess. She was messy boots back in the day. Was she?

[A]

Oh, because of the patchouli oil with Zendaya?

[B]

Yes, amongst other things.

[A]

She was my queen, though, and she's still kind of my queen. She paid. You know what's so annoying about the Juliana Isaac, though? I. I told you before, I was like, I moved here being like, I'm gonna be Julianna Rancic, and then I came here. Everyone's drawing of being Giuliana Rancic, and

[B]

I'm like, but now no one wants to be her.

[A]

Well, Giuliana Rancic isn't even Giuliana Rancic anymore.

[B]

I just said, I told you before we started. I was like, oh, she's about to have a podcast on Jerry o'. Connell. Like, who even cares? And you're just like, she has a podcast and you love Julianna Rancic.

[A]

I know. I did not know she had a podcast at all.

[B]

She's gonna do a 40 minute one on Jerry O' Connell because Jerry O' Connell responded to a question a reporter asked about her memoir that brought up him, and she was basically saying he was an awful boyfriend and that he had a girl up there and broke up with her over the intercom on, like, you know how New York has a those intercoms? And he broke up with her. But then the reporter asked current in Current Day. Her memoir came out in 2015. The reporter asked Jerry O', Connell, and Jerry O' Connell's like, yeah, I was a boyfriend. And that pissed her off. And she's like. She's like on a vacation in, like, Bora Bora or something. She goes, guys, just wait for my 40 minute podcast. I'm like, girl, we don't need a 40 minute podcast. He just admitted he was a horrible boyfriend.

[A]

My substack. Wait for my 20 minute video, fry unfiltered. Frybette.subsack.com and go there.

[B]

Go to Fry Unfiltered, everyone. I love the name. I love the podcast. I think you should be doing more of this. I think you're so funny. Check them out on TikTok, Frybena, everywhere. I'm so happy for you and everything and you are like just like an actual star and I can't wait to see like more stuff you do. You're so good and you're so smart and I'm happy to see you again. For our third time meeting, it's been

[A]

wonderful and thank you for having me. Thank Freya the Wildwood Witch for

[B]

I didn't know she had a name.

[A]

Freya, Freya the Wildwood witch. We did. She's great. Guys, it's really working.

[B]

And you're going on to even more things. We love you so much. And yes, you have a podcast. You have another podcast to get to so we better let you go have another one. You are booked and busy and I love to see it. All right, check them out everywhere and you guys will. See you guys next on the next Hot Topics. This is great.

[A]

Thank you.