Tarte Faces BACKLASH For Out of Touch Brand Trip & Trisha DEFENDS David Dobrik?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Just Trish Episode: Tarte Faces BACKLASH For Out of Touch Brand Trip & Trisha DEFENDS David Dobrik?
Release Date: January 14, 2025

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1. Eras of Trish Tour Announcement (00:00 - 03:34)

Trisha Paytas kicks off the episode by announcing her highly anticipated "Eras of Trish" tour. Despite the challenges of launching a 30-city tour with only a month’s notice, Trish expresses immense excitement about showcasing her various personas and musical eras.

• Trisha Paytas (00:00): "It's the Eras of Trish tour and I'm really excited because it's going through all the eras."
• Moses Hacmon (01:28): "Way to sell it, girl. Yes, mama. Sell those tickets."

2. Tour Details and Logistics (03:34 - 06:25)

Trish discusses the logistics of her tour, highlighting cities like Indianapolis, Detroit, and Toronto. She shares her apprehensions about ticket sales given the short announcement window but remains optimistic due to past positive responses, especially from Toronto.

• Trisha Paytas (01:58): "It's going through all those. We're going through the confused. We're going through all of it."
• Moses Hacmon (05:29): "I think it's just the US. But I'm not the most educated on it."

3. Patreon and Content Creation (06:32 - 10:01)

The conversation shifts to Patreon, where Trish praises the platform for its supportive community. She highlights recent content, including reactions to "Trish Talks" and other drama, emphasizing the importance of authentic engagement with her patrons.

• Trisha Paytas (06:36): "Patreon is so much fun. It's literally like my funnest thing that we do."
• Trisha Paytas (09:47): "Patrons just shipped out. Stickers, CDs, all that. We'll have new ones coming."

4. Media Literacy and Social Media Backlash (10:01 - 21:43)

Trish and her co-hosts delve into the rampant spread of misinformation on platforms like Snapchat and TikTok. They critique how influencers, including notable figures like Gabbie Hanna and Alec Baldwin, navigate public backlash and the importance of discerning credible sources amidst viral rumors.

• Moses Hacmon (12:12): "There's a lot of random news that makes no sense."
• Trisha Paytas (15:24): "They spread something around that's like not actually happening is, like, scary."

5. Influencer Philanthropy vs. Perceived Out-of-Touch Behavior (21:43 - 43:34)

A significant portion of the episode focuses on the dichotomy between genuine philanthropic efforts by influencers during crises (e.g., Tarte donating to fire centers) and the backlash they receive for seemingly extravagant or performative acts. Trish expresses frustration over the public's mixed reactions and emphasizes the sincerity behind her and her peers' charitable actions.

• Trisha Paytas (23:30): "There's just so much. People are just being nice and, like, making small talk and being, like, courteous."
• Trisha Paytas (24:47): "I really loved the donations because it was inspiring."

6. Body Shaming and Public Perception (43:34 - 65:53)

The hosts engage in a deep conversation about body shaming, specifically targeting a person named David. They discuss the psychological impacts of public criticism on influencers and debate the ethical boundaries of confronting someone publicly versus addressing issues privately.

• Trisha Paytas (45:27): "Is it okay to body shame if it's the devil?"
• Moses Hacmon (61:43): "If you're gonna make fun of people who have mental disabilities and women's vaginas..."

7. Viral Clips and Public Reactions (65:53 - 84:56)

Trisha brings up a viral clip involving Alec Baldwin, discussing the appropriate responses to harassment and the thin line between standing up for oneself and escalating conflicts. The conversation highlights societal tendencies to support influencers selectively and the complexities of fame in handling personal confrontations.

• Trisha Paytas (65:53): "But also, don't hurt yourself."
• Moses Hacmon (68:39): "It's just, people are always talking about these things, but..."

8. Accents, Language Learning, and Personal Growth (84:56 - 115:10)

Shifting gears, the podcast touches on the nuances of accents and language acquisition, reflecting on Trish's and Moses’s desires to learn languages like Spanish and their experiences with multicultural interactions. They also discuss the influence of language on personal identity and relationships.

• Trisha Paytas (85:10): "I want to know, like, her thoughts on Barstool."
• Moses Hacmon (93:49): "I think it is just an evolution of society is like, now that we see everything all at once..."

9. Reality TV and Influencer Culture (115:10 - 155:44)

The hosts analyze the landscape of reality TV, comparing shows like "Survivor" and "Drag Race" with their own experiences on platforms like "Traders." They critique the casting choices, the portrayal of relationships, and the interplay between fame and personal conduct, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and community support.

• Trisha Paytas (121:48): "She'd say something like, 'I'm the safety person. I say no to him a lot.'"
• Moses Hacmon (125:35): "They want to have the character that..."

10. Conclusion and Upcoming Content (155:44 - End)

Trisha wraps up the episode by teasing upcoming content, including a bonus podcast on Patreon and future guest appearances. The hosts encourage listeners to stay engaged through various platforms and express their enthusiasm for ongoing and future projects.

• Trisha Paytas (155:35): "We're gonna do our bonus podcast there. We'll talk about lots of roads not knowing who Megan Thee Stallion is..."
• Moses Hacmon (156:17): "I'm here. Yeah."

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Key Takeaways:

• Authenticity in Tourism and Philanthropy: Trish emphasizes the importance of genuine charitable actions over performative gestures, advocating for sincere engagement with communities in need.

• Navigating Social Media Misinformation: The importance of media literacy is a recurring theme, highlighting the need to verify sources and remain critical of viral content.

• Impact of Public Criticism: The discussion on body shaming underscores the psychological toll on influencers and the ethical considerations of public confrontations.

• Cultural and Personal Growth: Both hosts express a desire for personal development through language learning and understanding diverse cultures, reflecting on their own growth journeys.

• Reality TV Dynamics: Analyzing the structure and casting of reality TV shows reveals insights into the entertainment industry's influence on public perceptions and personal behavior.

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Notable Quotes:

• Trisha Paytas (00:00): "It's the Eras of Trish tour and I'm really excited because it's going through all the eras."

• Moses Hacmon (12:12): "There's a lot of random news that makes no sense."

• Trisha Paytas (15:24): "They spread something around that's like not actually happening is, like, scary."

• Trisha Paytas (45:27): "Is it okay to body shame if it's the devil?"

• Trisha Paytas (87:34): "Trisha perform in Brazil."

• Trisha Paytas (103:56): "I'm trying to think he was like, oh, you know, know, like, harassing him."

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This episode of Just Trish delves into the complexities of influencer culture, the responsibilities of public figures during crises, and the intricate dance between authenticity and performative acts in the age of social media. Trisha and her co-hosts offer candid reflections intertwined with their personal experiences, providing listeners with an unfiltered glimpse into the challenges and triumphs of navigating fame in the modern digital landscape.

Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that the debate? Can you. Is it okay to body shame if it's the devil? Like maybe we did ran into someone that I, that I've talked not nice about on the podcast. It's the most terrifying thing in real life. I don't think it's a bully if you just confront them. Like I wish I could go up to this person and be like, you're gross. But her name is Trish. She's got the gossip filthy. Hello, welcome back to the Just Trish podcast. Hope you guys are well. Hope you are staying safe. And here we are today we are having the Dust Trish podcast and we are sponsored by SeatGeek, Adam Neve and a new one, Morgan. And Morgan, we love you guys. More to come on those adderies. I have a tour coming in less than a month so we're announcing it this week. The tickets go on sale. The announcement for all the cities are Thursday at 10am Pacific Standard Time. This week the tickets will on sale Friday at 10:00am Pacific Standard Time. We have to announce this week because like we're literally a month away from the tour starting. It's a 30 city tour and yeah, usually people announce months in advance. So we're going to 30 cities. I hope you can come.

[Moses Hacmon]

Way to sell it, girl. Yes, mama. Sell those tickets. Hope you can be there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm really not supposed to announce the name. They told me to not announce the name in the key art yet. But I'm really excited. It's the Eras of Trish tour and I'm really excited because it's going through all the eras. This is the cell right here. It's going through all the eras and I've been putting the show together and.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm the promo that I did accidentally. I do have the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. Wait, that's our show. That looks so good.

[Moses Hacmon]

This was a total accident, but it kind of worked.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's literally all there. Like I only see the two. I see King Tut and sad Boy. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I have to go lower.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it really has. Oh my God. Really has everything.

[Moses Hacmon]

Podcast celebrity big brother. Floor.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's the word?

[Moses Hacmon]

Floor.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, floor.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I love that. Wow. We're going through all those. We're going through the confused. We're going through all of it. I'll be on the kitchen floor. I have a little screen projecting and I'm really excited. I think it's gonna be fun. We have the Disney channel era Trish. We have some bilingual era Trish. We have the fat church. Like fat Chicks. And I have a lot of songs about being fat. So I was just going through my, like, catalog. I asked you guys, and then we have the hits at the end. I have a new album coming out February 15th, so there'll be new songs and it's just gonna be fun. This is my big one, you guys. I do have to do the push now because I think this is like, my only. I'm already a little overwhelmed by doing 30 cities. It's my only tour for Ally for ever. I love doing the treasure shows I did. I have so much fun and I know I'm gonna love doing these as well. It's just like, a lot. Especially because, like, I have kids and a husband and I do the. I have like five podcasts. I have to film two of these a week. I have to get up Head on. Not Loveline. I had on Patreon. So it's a lot. But I think if I were to perform in the future, it's going to be like me dreaming big Vegas residency, cruise Broadway, like something like that. But as far as, like, tour, I'm coming to Random Indianapolis, I think is our first show in February 20th. Like, random, like, what is in Indianapolis? They're like, no, it's a good market. I'm like, are you sure?

[Oscar]

I mean, people ask people, everyone asks, come to this city. Come to this city. So now it's actually coming to city near you. Not just near us.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's Random City Indianapolis as like a huge capacity. I was like, I hope there's enough people in Indianapolis to come. It was like a 3,500 seat theater. I'm like, is there that many people? Because I'm from Illinois, which is right next to Indiana, and I don't even know if there was that many people in my town. So I was like, I hope you show up. I think Michael Jackson was from Indianapolis, but he's gone, so I don't think he's showing up. But rest in peace. Rest in peace. We're on the way to Detroit right away, which is also I love. I mean, I've never been. I've been in Michigan, but like, not. I'm excited. I only know 8 mile. I don't know much, but I'm excited to go. I. You know, maybe I should do Eminem for there. Maybe I should do like a surprise song. Like Taylor Swift.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, very Taylor Swift.

[Trisha Paytas]

And each city have like a song from there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know what's in Indian. Oh, I guess I'm at Jackson 5 or something I could do. And then Detroit, I could be like, mom, spin. Spaghetti armies are heavy. Like, you know what I mean? Maybe. And then we go to Toronto. So that first weekend is Indianapolis. Detroit, Toronto. Toronto, I know are my people. I will say even my flop era, which was an era, my Heartbreak Tour maybe sold like 100 tickets. Toronto came out. I remember we had like 700 people come out. And this was my flop, flop era. And they've always come out. So Toronto, it's where I had my first book signing. I have faith in Toronto.

[Moses Hacmon]

Come on. Canada.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, is it Canada?

[Moses Hacmon]

Toronto, Canada.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're international.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, right? Yeah, it's Canada.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

You almost gaslit me into thinking.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. Wait, so we are like a world tour? I thought we were just doing us.

[Moses Hacmon]

All right, North America. Yeah. You're doing the North American.

[Trisha Paytas]

North American tour.

[Oscar]

You better get there before they add Canada to America.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are they going to do that?

[Oscar]

They're trying.

[Trisha Paytas]

What Prague name is like, no, thank you. We like our free health care. Oh, I wonder if I can access tick tock in Canada. Do you think? Is it just the US or is it North America?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it's just the US But I'm not the most educated on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

But damn, my tick tocks in Toronto. Anyway, there's random cities. I'm excited to go. They're random. I mean, half the cities I haven't heard of, but I'm excited.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm excited for you to come back and know more about America.

[Trisha Paytas]

Me, too. I am, too. I feel like I'm really going to be worldly with this one.

[Oscar]

Is there a date at the Alamo?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no, there's not. We're in three. We talked about this last time we had three Texas ones and not one San Antonio. Not one San Antonio, which is crazy because everyone was very mad about that because we talked about that last episode. Like, how you not come to San Antonio. I don't know. We're going to three other cities in Texas, so. Which is awesome. Not my demographic, I would think, but we'll see. Hopefully. I don't know. I'm trusting them, but I'm excited. And. Yeah, so they go on sale Friday, so I don't know. I know. It's. It's here.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's upon us.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's upon us. Yeah. Well, I'm excited, huh?

[Oscar]

The tour is upon us.

[Trisha Paytas]

The tour is upon us. Yeah. All right. Well, how are you? Do you have anything to promote?

[Oscar]

Are you going on tour?

[Moses Hacmon]

Patreon. I was waiting for that one.

[Trisha Paytas]

We have been lagging on the Patreon promo, but can I tell you, Patreon is so much fun. It's literally like my funnest thing that we do. Patreon.com just. Trish, when I was watching the Traders, I was thinking about when we reacted to the video of me running. Did we post that one already?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, that one is up. That one was in the Mr. Beast. Beast Games. Reaction.

[Trisha Paytas]

Go watch the Beast Games. I was telling Oscar because I couldn't compete in the Beast Games.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wasn't invited, but couldn't compete anyway because I literally.

[Trisha Paytas]

I literally can't run. I think about this with Traders too, because most like, oh, it's not that athletic. I'm like, they're still running to go get these things. Like, I literally can't run. And we analyzed it. There's a video I did called Dead and Gone. And it's like me running and I'm truly like. Like gliding. Like, I'm not even picking my feet up off the ground. Like, I don't know how to run.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's like a feet shuffle.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was a shuffle. It was. It was crazy. It was actually like if someone didn't know how to walk, it was actually like, I really don't know how to run for real. So anyways, there's exciting things there. What do we have coming up? This week on Patreon, we just reacted.

[Moses Hacmon]

To three Trish Talks, which was a really groundbreaking series, you guys. I'm quite proud of it. I mean, I took it very serious. Again, the theme was like, actors on actors. A deep dive into the mind behind Trish Talks. Trisha, the star, writer, director, craft services, props department, production. I'm going to watch it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was.

[Oscar]

I was sad I wasn't there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Moses is so sad. He's like, wait, you watched? I wanted to be there for it. I was like, what?

[Oscar]

So I'll watch it.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's a fan too. It was good. It was watching it through your eyes. Like, I was like, you know what? Honestly, this is kind of. Because I was actually being kind of facetious, but I was like, it's kind.

[Moses Hacmon]

Of good, actually, is the gag. And again, I said it. I said a couple of weeks ago, I'll say it again. I think the day before TikTok maybe gets banned or does get banned. I think you just got to post them all on there, give them one last hurrah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because they deserve a second life. They do.

[Trisha Paytas]

Line up, ready to go. I will post. They're short. They're like, seven to eight minutes. They're easy watches. We also reacted to old drama, which has been so much fun. Not my drama, but other people's drama somehow.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're always at the scene of the crime.

[Trisha Paytas]

Always at the scene of the crime. We reacted to Gabbie Hanna. And like, I look again. I, ooh, I think I'm going to Pittsburgh. I wonder if Gabby wants to perform with me.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, have a song, a special guest. Like when Taylor had Sabrina Carpenter. You have Gabbie Hannah, and we butterfly together.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would, oh, my God. Okay. Anyways, I would just, like, watching back stuff is like, just, you know, things are just, like, not as serious and it makes it, like, lighter. And I think. I think it was emergency. Intercom was talking about Gabbie Hanna and how, like, she's gotten better and stuff. And I'm like, we love to see, like a full circle moment. You know what I mean? Love her so much. So we react to drama. We also like, yeah, Our most popular tier is the bonus video. One for bonus video and the Hot Topics. You get twice a week. And we have a lot of people sign up on there. Actually, I looked the other day and I was like, I never look because I, you know what? Oh, I uploaded. That's why. Because I never. I never look. I never see how many people are on there. So I went to go upload and it shows the numbers, which I had no idea. And I was just like, oh, my God, we have a lot of people on that bonus tier. So we really got to keep making those videos because sometimes it's like last minute, we're like, oh, my God, we got to make them. But I really like to do them. We'll find another day to do them. But they're so much fun. Patreon.com headshots just shipped out. Stickers, CDs, all that. We'll have new ones coming. But we love our patrons. You guys are. Are everything.

[Moses Hacmon]

You are also upon us.

[Trisha Paytas]

I met one at the Merry Trishmas. I met a producer. I met Abdullah. Did I tell you that?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, no.

[Trisha Paytas]

I met Abdullah and he was like, I'm not married. I don't have a sugar daddy. I pay for this myself because I think we got him confused with someone else.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's like two Abdullahs, I think, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like, gifted. It, like, got it gifted as like a gift or something from their husband. But I love meeting them in real life. It's so funny when people tell me they're a producer. Like, I think two people told Me, like, I'm a producer. I was like, what does that mean? I was like, oh, you guys never meet a real life patron. So it's very cool. Keep saying that because now I know what that means. So it's really, really fun. Oscar's been uploading through. Through the literal storms. Literal hell here. You know, Oscar is like when notification or anything, it's like just Trish uploaded. I was like, all right.

[Oscar]

Between power outages and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it was. Yeah. Because Oscar edited last week's episode because Jimmy was out of power for like days.

[Moses Hacmon]

Two days. Like two full days, I think. Yeah, it was. It was wild last week. Yeah. That's why last week was it. Last Thursday's episode didn't have the same whimsy. Jimmy was like, I'm excited to watch it. I was like, jimmy, it doesn't have your whimsy. I was just trying to get through.

[Trisha Paytas]

It, you know, I was going out, I was telling everyone, like, just don't worry. Poor Jimmy was stressing about everything. Patreon, I can't upload your not love like Patreon by Friday. I was like, it's fine. People can probably wait a day. Yeah. So you did. I didn't watch it, but I'm sure.

[Moses Hacmon]

It'S good job done.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, I was surprised. I was. Because it is hard, like filming it and then like all the stuff happening and the power outages.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. My power was just going on and off and on like three or four times and it was crazy. Like, our grocery stores, they all lost power. So like we couldn't get like produce or anything for a couple of days. Wow. Because they just had to like get rid of everything that was refrigerated. So it was nuts. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't. Yeah, that wasn't happening here, so I didn't know that was happening. The, the.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know because, I mean, I'm not super far from you, but it is crazy. Like the each like 20 minute distance, like, it really like affects at different.

[Trisha Paytas]

Scales because you're also more. Is it called rural? Like when you're around more buildings and cities and houses. Like you're by malls and restaurants. Like, what's that called rural?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think opposite, like metropolitan.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy to say metropolitan for you.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. It is suburban, though. Like, there's a lot of strip malls. There's a lot of like, businesses and stuff over here. I feel like it's more residential. Right. And like everything's more spread out for sure here.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, interesting. So, yeah, I didn't know because I thought it would be, like, least affected if there's, like, a bunch of places with power and generators.

[Moses Hacmon]

I have no idea how it works. It was just so windy, I think. Yeah. And then obviously, I don't know. I think some places did turn off power to, like, as a precaution.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

But a lot of it was the winds. Like, the winds were just, like, so strong that a lot of random blocks were, like, losing power. I mean, even Jimmy, like, I. I remember texting him on the way here when we were filming the other, like, last time, and I was like, your power should be back. They said. They said it was a very small amount of people that were. Have gone over 24 hours without power.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then he literally didn't have it for, like, two whole days.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. And he's even more metropolitan than you. Like, he's really central. And I was like, wait, that's so weird. We offered. You offered him to go there? We offered him to come here. And he was like, no, we're just gonna. I'm like, what are you doing? Are you just, like, sitting? Like, what do you do? I guess read, like, come here. Like, at least you can game or something. I don't know. I felt bad. I was like, you can come here. He's like, we're gonna wait. I was like, okay, I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm saying. I was like, are you sure? But he really stuck through it, so I don't know if I would have lasted.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess you get a lot of meditation. Maybe you could just, like, clear your thoughts.

[Moses Hacmon]

Have you seen that one meme of, like, Kim Kardashian dress? I think she's, like, dressed like a pilgrim or, like, Amish or something from.

[Trisha Paytas]

A while ago, that photo shoot.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's how I imagine Jimmy without that photo shoot for. I have no idea. It was some magazine.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're like, let's put her in an Amish outfit.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was kind of a serve in. In retrospect, I feel like it's very. You coded. I feel like, for sure I would.

[Trisha Paytas]

Dress up as Amish. They won't know because they don't have social media. Right. So they know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

They can't get mad. Yeah, I. I love that meme. I love that one. Kim is kind of a mood sometimes.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you see Khloe Kardashian Snapchat story, though?

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. It has, like, obviously she's not posting. Someone else posting for her, but as, like, it had, like, 300 snaps in, like, 24, maybe even more. I would say 500 snaps. Like, y'all know I found a way to get back on Snapchat, but I'm not on Snapchat, but I found a way to like look at it because I saw everyone talking about it. So I was like, let me figure out how to get on this. And I looked at her stories and it's like, also like, I think allegedly is stolen content. Like, it's literally like a bunch of like fire pictures. And she's posting again. I know it's not Chloe posting, but whoever's posting is as if she's taking it like so scary right now. Like, you know, like showing. It's like very odd. And she posts. She probably posted 500 things about the fire. Like just about. Not even like helping resources, just like pictures. Oh my God, LA is burning. Like that kind of. It's so weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's very weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

You think she's getting paid by the snap?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think they do, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

So you can. If you post like 500 snaps, you mean she gets like.

[Oscar]

And I think it's quantity.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. I was just like.

[Moses Hacmon]

And the retention rate, I'm sure has something to do with it, like how long you can keep people on story, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Because they. I don't know how Snapchat works fully, but I know like, people post like a scandalous picture at the end, so people have to like click through to see it.

[Oscar]

Also, this was international news, so she had so many more eyes on it than the usual.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. It's just very odd because she also has like a new podcast. I was like, look, obviously they don't need money, but it is so weird. Like, how much money could she be getting paid from Snapchat or her podcast to make it worth it? Do you know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, the. I mean snap, especially because, I mean, I guess it is such like low hanging fruit. I guess if you can do it, do it. But I mean, maybe just have a little bit of sensibility about it, you know what I mean? Like, because again, she's not super close to the fires. There was that one. There was the one that happened after. I think it was. God, that last week aged me like 20 years because I can't even like, I don't have a sense of time. I think that one was Thursday and it was semi close to her, I guess. But other than it was like contained so quickly over us. So it was to like make it seem like she is in the middle of it, I think is, well, very damning. I Don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what it was. And it's also like, it was like aerial shots and stuff of like the la, you know, on fire. And so it's very odd. It was very weird. I don't know, I mean, maybe it's like not the biggest deal, but I was just like, that's so odd. Like, how much money could she possibly making from posting these? You know what I mean? And she does it a lot. I know. I've just seen it before where she has like 300 stories. I guess Snap has money apparently, but I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I mean, they. They're like creator deals were insane. And obviously someone like Chloe, I'm sure was even better than like a David Dobrik deal. I would imagine getting like a million.

[Trisha Paytas]

Dollars a day or what.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe it has to be more than David.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know there'd be Tick Tockers and like literally no shade, but Tick Tockers who like, you know, like mid influencers said they were getting paid like $30,000 like a day from Snapchat. I know, it's like, damn, okay. I mean, good for them. But it's so odd. Maybe people are gonna go there if TikTok gets banned.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think anything can get me to Snap, to be honest. I really just don't like it. There's something so sus about Snap. I like, I just.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, what do you mean size? What do you think?

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like that is where everything bad originates from. Really? Because it's so under the radar. Like they disappear. It's. I don't know. I don't know. It's just. It gives me bad vibes over at Snap.

[Trisha Paytas]

I agree. I do agree with that. Because even like I was find a way to snuck in through someone else's account and then I like getting it. That account got shut down. It was like, what did I look at Thursday or Friday? And then it was like shut down on Saturday. I was like, how do they know that I'm looking through this account? I don't know if they knew that, but all of a sudden that account was shut down and it's not my account. And I was like, how the shut down?

[Moses Hacmon]

So weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I'm not going there either. Everyone wants to know where everyone's going if Tik Tok gets banned. And I'm like, I'll just go to reels, I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I mean, it is YouTube.

[Oscar]

YouTube short, honestly.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, let's make YouTube shorts. Be fierce.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm back to my channel. I'm back vlogging.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just via shorts. Kind of fierce, actually.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's. That's true.

[Moses Hacmon]

And even with Snap too. Like, as we saw with, like, the. What was that Trish channel over there? Remember that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, nothing is vetted over there for, like, people just post, like, random stolen content and make up, like, fake news articles about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's like Tana had one she posted where she's like, telling a co I'm pregnant or something. And it was her face on it. And Moko was actually, what is this? Like, why do they have this? And it was like. It was like one of those, like, mine. Like a story. It was so weird. Like, they just make up stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

So odd, but it flies so under the radar that it's just like, not. There's no, like, checks or balances.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And there's no, like, comment section. So, like, you could just go willy nilly and never get any, like, negative feedback.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess that's good for people who are, like, terrible.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, exactly. The ones who don't want to see the comments. I guess that's the place to go.

[Oscar]

Give me the vibe of those magazines when you check out. Yeah, the cashier. And there's like, magazines like, they're divorced.

[Moses Hacmon]

They'Re broken up, they're a lizard person or something like that. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't see a lot of, like, Inquirers and Examiners and all those.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like I haven't seen them at the stores anymore. But I'm sure they got to be online or something because there's so much crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Random news that makes no sense.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, It's. A lot of them are just, like, very all over the place. It's hard to know what to sort through. That's why I feel like media literacy is at a low. But I think it's to people's benefit. Like, to people's defense, it is hard to sort through so much news. And everyone's like, a source here, a source there. And I'm like, but like, what? Like, it doesn't really make sense, but people believe it. Because if someone's publishing it, then it's like, oh, that has to be real.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is so true. You just believe it because it's like, in the papers.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that has. It gives a sense of authority, of Like a, you know, a publisher is saying, and they just say sources or whatever. That's so true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Now people just cite, like, tweets as sources.

[Moses Hacmon]

Honestly. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, should have been a sad. And I was like, okay, that must be fact then. It is crazy. It just gets out of hand. I guess we learned that, like, from. I guess. What is it? Oh, from traders. It's kind of like that too. It's like, like one person says something and then all of a sudden. Yeah, he was being sus. And I was like, that's crazy how you. It's kind of just the world we live in, how one person say something and then everyone else is just, like, on that bandwagon.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Even if there's no because. Who. Who Eliminate. Spoiler alert. Was it. I don't even know their name. The guy from the Bachelor.

[Oscar]

They eliminated Tony.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tony. No, not that one.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know what I mean? Yeah. Again, spoiler alert for the traders, Wells was. Well, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not like, it's Wells. And I was like, like, who the hell? Like, we haven't seen him at all. And everyone was so like, okay, yeah, you're right. And then they all started voting him and I was just like, I guess Tony, I could see whatever, but that guy. I was like, that's so random. But yeah, just. You just believe whatever the majority says and you're like, we'll just go with that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that is very much the tea especially that's. I feel like that's been seen a lot this past week. There's been all these crazy stories and I'm like, wait, but I, like, live here and I haven't seen anything that people are talking about.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's the craziest?

[Moses Hacmon]

There's a lot of, like, fear mongering and, like, rage baiting and stuff about, like, the fires and whatever. And we kind of talked about this, like, the only. The thing. Yes, of course that stuff exists, obviously, because that's just the way the world. Like, there are people that prey upon people who are going through a hard time. But I feel like we've mostly seen, like, niceness, kindness, like, on social media, like, like on Twitter and stuff. There is a lot of, like, people just being terrible, obviously. But in real life and like, on Instagram and stuff, I've only seen good stuff. Like when I went to the market, people are just being nice and, like, making small talk and being, like, courteous and I don't know, in real life, everyone is showing a lot of empathy and kindness, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it's actually, like, so cool to See, because LA is so big and everyone just helping out. It's. It's. I mean, there were so many people, like, going to Costco. I saw Alexis Oakley making literal batches of pasta, like, this big and just, like, sending them over. There's so many donations that there's like. Like, fire centers are. There's. Our fire departments are just like, oh, send it to here. We already have enough.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, there's just, like, too much. People are. My makeup artist, Ari, who loves animals, she was trying to foster animals because they have to get the animals out of the shelter to make room for the new ones. And there was, like, a list. They're like, oh, everyone's been fostered already. Like, it's amazing how many people, huh? Banging buns. And my collab. We sent out those boxes of the Trish meal to everybody, which was, like, really cool. And just everyone, like, donating has been really cool. My make. One of my hairstylists, Rachel, she was, like, gathering up, like, supplies from Costco, and people were, like, selling her money, and we're just, like, doing that. It was really because, like, money and time, both of it. Everyone was, like, donating, which was, like, really, really cool to see because people are not helpful in general out here. But then when times of, like, crisis happens, people come together, which is very cool. And, yeah, I like seeing it. You know, sometimes people, like, comfort influencers being like. Like, you know, when they give money to the homeless or something and they're filming it. But I liked it because it was, like, inspiring. I was like, oh, there's, like, all these people helping and you, like, want to help, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. It is that weird thing of, like. Like, a lot of the times it's like, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Like, oh, they're filming this just to make content off of it, to make them look good. But at the end of the day, it is, like, a good message. Like tar Yummy, for example. Like, she was really quick to, like, go out and, like, donate at different places. And I found out about places tonight donate to because of Tara. Yummy, you know, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Same, same.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like it's good for them to, you know, put influence. Yeah, yeah.

[Oscar]

Show people. Yeah. What to do.

[Trisha Paytas]

Rebecca Black was here last week, and we share a hairdresser, and I actually don't know him that well. He did my paper magazine shoot, and she shared his GoFundMe because his entire house burned down. I had no idea. I would never know. She, like, didn't post about it. So then I post about it and then it is like a ripple effect, you see. And then so anyone who was making pastas or whoever was ever, I was just trying to like give money to them because it was just like, it's just cool to see. It's cool like that people post it. Yeah. Like I said, you're damned if you do a different job because you don't post. Like, why aren't you posting? Why didn't you do it? And you're like, okay, so every GoFundMe, I usually do anonymous, but I was like, well, I'll put my name just so like people see because you just, you don't know, you don't know what the right thing to do. So if you share GoFundMe and they don't see your name, then it's like, okay, you didn't. So it's like, all right, I'm gonna just put my name everywhere. But yeah, it's good. Like you said, at the end of the day it's like helping. So if people don't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And it's like not as, I guess entertaining as like, you know, the rage. The rage bait and like the fear mongering, I guess. But it makes me, I don't know, I like seeing that more. It makes me feel better. It gives me hope. You know, exactly what we need right now is just any kind of silver lining you can get is good.

[Trisha Paytas]

So yeah, the hope is definitely good. And people, Heidi and Spencer are a big one that I've been out there. And then on my mind everyone was like streaming Heidi song and got it to like number one and stuff. So I think like the optimism because they both were like posting a lot or Spencer's posting a lot on TikTok and I was like, they're pretty optimistic considering you just like lost your entire house. Like people say, like, it doesn't matter how much like money you have or don't have or like they even said they said all the money they made was based on the house, which is true. That's what's true with anyone. It's like, like very few people just have like money sitting ready to rebuild. So the optimism people had was inspiring. The fear mongering one, was it, Was it Leo Skeppy?

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, this is for everybody in LA.

[Trisha Paytas]

If you survived the fire, congrats. This is round two. This is threat number two. All that pent up that everybody got from 2024, you want to crash the out? Save it. You about to need it.

[Moses Hacmon]

This is not a time to relax. This is not a time to chill out. This is about to become a fight for resources.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you're also going to be dealing with people in the SOC of la. All these homeless people been waiting for their moment.

[Moses Hacmon]

This is their time to shine.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're already breaking into houses, businesses stealing. People are setting more fires just because they want to watch this go down.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, but it's also not just him. It's, like, everywhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, almost a million likes. When I went to it, and I was like, that's crazy. I mean, that's. Is he. I don't even think he still lives here anymore. Yeah. Which I like, I. Look, I. God, I really want to like Leo. I really do. I think he's just. Just, like, his delivery is just a little, like, intense. It's intense. We're all. Because even I was just like, oh, my God, the. The people are coming, you know, like, you just get like, really? And it is. It is a lot. Especially in the moment when everything's happening and it's like. And I saw a girl come about it. She's like, okay, like, that's not just happening, like, everywhere. And, like, you know, people are already scared as it is. Why do people do that? Not just Leo, like you said, but just in general. Why do people want to instill fear in others so much?

[Moses Hacmon]

I literally do think it's because that. That is just what gets more attention, which is, like, unfortunate, but it does drive more of a reaction than, like, something sweet and happy. Yeah, I know. Like, Whitney Cummings has been doing that a lot, too. I'm like, okay, everyone, just chill out.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I haven't seen what she said.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's been going on a tangent. Like, she's been going on and on and on. She's like, people have told me that they're going in the sewers and lighting fire. They're going in the sewers with gasoline, and they're lighting fires around. And. And she was coming for the fire department because there's, like, three lesbians that are at the top of it. And it's like, why are they just hiring people that they want to bone or whatever? Like, yeah. I was like, wait, wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, the aliens are getting to everybody. Wait, that's crazy. That's. That's actually. I. Yeah. As Tati Westbrook says, like, time and place for conspiracies. It's just, like, a lot. Especially when it's happening in the moment and there are people, like, just trying to help and do good. And I didn't see that. That's crazy because I know her. I think she had to evacuate because her, her podcast setup is in her house, too, and she was, like, showing that, but I didn't know about all that. Is that, is that happening? I didn't hear about the sewers.

[Moses Hacmon]

I, I, she claims that someone saw it and texted it to her. It hasn't been verified on, like, the news or anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

Spread this around. It's like media literacy, as you said. Like, what are we, the Inquirer?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because they spread something around that's, like, not actually happening is, like, scary. Because when the, the Woodland Hills one happened, that, that they said that was an intentional one set by somebody. I mean, that is scary when that happens. But then, like, when stuff isn't happening and then it starts spreading and then people panic and, I mean, I guess it's, like, good to be aware, but if it's not.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It's going to be vigilant. Obviously. Like I said, there are cases where, of course, looting is happening, but, like, I know Daniel Prada, his car got stolen.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was really crazy. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And they're in, like, a nice neighborhood.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And so a looter came, broke into his car and stole his car and everything that was packed in it, which is terrible. So obviously, like, those terrible things are, are happening, but I feel like people are just really taking advantage and trying to make people be more afraid. Obviously, be aware and be vigilant, but also have hope and know that a lot. I feel like there's just more good. There is so much more good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

If you, like, actually get offline and, like, look around, you know, and see everyone just trying to help and come together.

[Trisha Paytas]

So even people, like, in New York, influencers. Like, everyone was trying to, like, help and, like, raise awareness about Rachel Zeglers. I, Remy Joe. Like, I saw Bony. Yeah. Everyone was posting about, like, how to help and where to help and what they're doing, and I thought that was, like, it's cool. Yeah. Because it is hard when you're not in California. It's kind of like, you know, when the hurricanes are hitting in Florida, it's like you don't know the severity of it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Like, you donate, but it's hard to just, like, understand the scope of it just because you haven't been there, you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Know, like, in fear of losing your house.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Or even just like, here with, in, not even just LA county, like, obviously here, Ventura county, or, like, Orange County. I feel like, like everyone has been affected to some degree. Obviously varying degrees. Like, some people Lost everything. Some people fear, like were close losing everything or know someone who did. Or you hike somewhere that got destroyed or you ate somewhere that got destroyed. Like everyone.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Kind of has a story. So I think that is why there's a lot of people talking about this one in particular. Because it's just such a big area and so many people have some kind of connection, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

To the area especially.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like you grew up here, like your whole life, so you're just like all these places I knew for so long. Which is like, wild to think about. I will say another good example of good where you least expect it. James Charles, did you see him rescuing his huskies? Oh, no. Oh, my God. Okay, so he posted a tick tock and there was two. He thought they were like wolves or coyotes at first, but there were two huskies that got lost in the fire. I guess the owners evacuated because they had their collars on. So he called the owners and I guess the owners were like an hour away. And I guess the huskies just ran away or they just got left behind or something like that. But he. He got the leashes. He got them on leashes. He gave them food and he waited for the owners. And I was like, that's so nice. Because if I saw two big wolves, I mean, I would like to be that person. I'm just. I've had Moses do it because I'm scared. Also, we don't have leashes, but I would probably try to help. Although we have coyotes here, so I don't know. I'd probably be trying. I think my mom happened. Did my mom think of coyote? She was trying to rescue one one time in her car. Was it.

[Oscar]

Oh, he wasn't. It was a friend of hers. Facebook. But it's kind of a Facebook meme where you post a picture of a coyote. It's like, I just found this dog. I'm thinking of adopting him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, was that it? She tried to like, rescue. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Different one. But. But I feel like that would be me where, like I. I'm very. I'm scared of dogs, especially big dogs. But if I saw some out there, I'd probably ask Moses to help it. But we have a lot of coyotes in envy. Okay.

[Oscar]

It's fine. I know the difference.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't mind coyotes? The coyotes are.

[Oscar]

Oh, no. I walk to them. I'm like, you get out of here right now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you're pretty nice. Nice to them. They're pretty. But. But it was so nice. I was like, wow, that was really nice. I don't know, they seemed, like, loving. And he, like, gave them, like, leashes. I was like, that's pretty cool because he has dogs too. And I guess they were like, you know, whatever. But he, like, called them.

[Oscar]

There's a video, it's kind of viral, of the guy that found this dog after five days. And he was like. I was like, you just break in tears when you see that because you feel the, like, emotion and the. The fact that he found it and was still alive.

[Trisha Paytas]

So many animals. Yeah. I'm like, scared. Yeah. They said if there's, like, wildlife out there, keep your animals in and put water out for them because they're like, like, probably thirsty.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It's affects so many different aspects. Like, I like, obviously people and then the wildlife and think about the kids and, like, their daycares or schools. It's like, it's such a crazy ripple effect. And honestly, like, it doesn't matter even if I don't particularly care about the person. As, like, I saw Logan Paul and KSI donated a lot of prime to firefighters too. And I was like, honestly, I don't care who is doing any good as long as you're doing good. Like, yeah. And I think, too, a lot of people forget, like, empathy is like an unlimited resource, you know, like, you can have room in your heart to care about a lot of different causes or disasters. And it's not like a competition. Like, all because we care about this one doesn't mean we don't care about the hurricanes in North Carolina and Florida. You know, it's like. Or the Lahaina fire. Like, you can care about a lot of things at once. And even if, like, Mr. Beast lost everything in a fire, like, I would still feel bad for him. Like, even though I don't like him of something and I know that he's rich. Like, if you still lose everything and you have so many memories in a home, like, I would still feel terrible.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like, having to, like, re. Do everything. The prime is wild. Prime is wild.

[Moses Hacmon]

But they firefighters didn't need, like, Gatorade and stuff, so, I mean, it doesn't taste that great, but honestly, whatever it takes, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Who was it? I think it was a pop crave. I don't think I was being duped on this one. I think this was real news. Pop Crave said that Katy Perry was donating.

[Moses Hacmon]

You did what? You were duped again?

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, really?

[Oscar]

Wait? It said first pop Crave.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought it was, but was it not Pop Grave? Oh, my gosh. Said that Katy Perry Perry was donating all her money from her 143. Is that the album? The 143 album to the LA fires. And I was like, well, that's really nice. But then everybody in the comments was like, so they got $27. People were being so mean. And I was like, damn people. Like, she don't. So she didn't donate the money.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, we don't know. Yeah, I think someone just came up with that. There was. On your defense, there was a lot of those. Like, people were making the stand. Accounts on Twitter are wild. Like, people were saying Selena Gomez donated, like $10 million or something. And then they were tagging the, like, accounts that organizations that they donated to to make it look legit. And then some of them responding, well, we love Selena, but this isn't real. Which I'm sure at some point everyone will donate because they live here and they are generous people. Yeah, but to make. To make it into a standing is crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was. I thought it was so real. It sounded very real. And I was like, well, that's nice. And everyone was being so mean. I was like, well, damn people.

[Moses Hacmon]

They did set Katie up with that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hi. Why did Katie hate. That's so random. I mean, I kind of get it a little bit, I guess, but like, the whole, like, for a year now, I'm like, okay. People really are just okay.

[Oscar]

Well, I mean, I was scrolling through and I was like, oh, somebody's buying Tick Tock. Everything is fine. And then I saw it was us.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, you were buying Tick Tock the Daily.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did I say that on the pod? Someone said you said that on the podcast last week. I was like, did I?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think you said it as a joke, maybe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Definitely as a joke. Unless I win, like, the lottery or something. I mean, I would buy. What was it? Daily Mail or something. I was like, that's wild.

[Moses Hacmon]

But let me play it to see what you said, because I did have a. There's like. I think they did like a. A snap or a Tick Tock or something. It says, Daily Mail viral influencer Trisha Paytas talks about buying Tick Tock to oppose ban in TMZ interview this afternoon.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like a really old clip from, like, Hollywood Effects or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, that is weird. They have no audio of you. It's just. Just random clips.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's always like, wait, random. And then someone's like, oh, you said on the podcast last week. I was like, we say a lot.

[Moses Hacmon]

Of things in three hours.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I don't remember. I Will say, I'm a manifester. I don't think. I think it's gonna be fine. I think we're. Tik Tok's here. I don't know. Like, I don't think it's being banned. People fear mongering. People really are like, I'm gonna miss you guys. Where are we going? This changed my life.

[Oscar]

They're coming for a TikTok. They're gonna loot your inbox.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's no way. There's no way it's on me, band.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, I. I had the same. Or. I still kind of have the same sense that you have. I'm like, someone's gonna come in at the last minute and do something. But we're really getting down to the wire.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it's gonna be pushed to march.

[Moses Hacmon]

I hope so.

[Trisha Paytas]

People are saying, look, this is not my theory. I just saw it that our new president is supporting TikTok staying and that he wants it to stay. But the ban happens a day before he's inaugurated.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think that sounds about right.

[Trisha Paytas]

So they're saying if it gets pushed to march, he can do more.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, you're right. Cause the ban is the 19th and inauguration is the 20th. And I did see that he asked the Supreme Court to pause it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Yeah, I think that's gonna happen. I've seen it, and I think that's gonna happen. And. And I think it's gonna be fine. It is so sad. Like, at first I was like, it's just TikTok. I mean, we always find a new platform. I love TikTok. I have 10 million followers. It, like, sucks that we'd have to lose it. Moses is finally finding his footing on TikTok with his canned food, who is doing daily now. At this point, he'll disappear for an hour. I'm like, where did you go? I'm opening up packages.

[Oscar]

First of all. It's for five minutes.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's getting pearl spoons in the. I'm like, what is this for? He's like, it's for the fish eggs or whatever he's eating. And I was like, okay. They do well. They get a couple hundred thousand views. I'm like, well, they do pretty good. And I was like, damn, it can't be bad now that you finally found your niche on there. That sucks. But aside from that, I mean, it is like, I think Keith Lee posted something. And I'm like, it is crazy to think, like, Keith Lee has changed, like, so many small businesses where they were able to, like, retire or like, you know, pay back funds or get life changing surgery because of TikTok. And I'm like, I kind of forget about like that aspect of TikTok. So I, for that reason I hope or like just people like the Heidi, the Heidi and Spencer of it, just people like banding together. Yeah, it would just really suck. It would just really, really suck because I know people's like livelihoods and it's not just tick tockers, it's like companies.

[Oscar]

Yeah. It's the first time we have power. The people have power. So people decided Heidi is going to be number one on iTunes. The people made it happen. And not the big companies and the big record labels. But even if they ban it, it takes time because what it means is that, that your app is not going away. It just means that the App store is not going to have the new updated version of it. So it just means that you're not going to be able to update your app. And after a while it means that your app won't work because it's not up to date to your phone. So all it means that there's time. Even if they ban it, there'll be time for the next president or there'll be time to.

[Trisha Paytas]

They say it updates every two, two times a week though. So like the updates are just going to be super slow.

[Oscar]

Right. So you're not gonna get updated but it's still gonna work. So all I'm saying is like it will give time for people to figure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Out, you know, they just have to. I just like, to me it's like to me like it doesn't even. There's just no way. And I keep seeing everyone be like, goodbye everyone. And I'm like, we're not Vine. We don't suck. We're thriving.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, we don't suck.

[Trisha Paytas]

We don't suck. And like everyone was saying what the big concern is. What our privacy. And everyone's like our.

[Oscar]

But all the apps takes away all of our information. Facebook steals our information. Google steals our information. They sell it.

[Trisha Paytas]

They do think about like when we spit in those little tubes for Ancestry. It's like they have everything. They literally have our DNA. They can literally just like kill us and clone us. You know what I mean? Like, thank you to the sponsor of today's episode, Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve has a really great offer for you guys. Day four toys for $20. When you go to Adam.com/, just Trish, take advantage because this is the price we want to see. This is the deal. We want 20, 25 bringing all the the spiciness. If you're looking for a little romance, a little extra love for yourself, for your partner as a gift. Adam, Eve has you covered for all things love, romance and sensuality. Start having more and better intimacy right away. Take advantage of this brand new deal from Adam and [e-mail] Just Trish go to Adam and Eve.com Just Trish and pick any four toys for just $20. This is absolutely the best deal that they have offered. This is a limited time offer. So get your four toys while supplies last. There is something for everyone. Four toys for $20. Literally saving up to $175 with this exclusive offer. Take a look at AdamNeed.com just Trish to see what four toys will be yours for just $20. Go to AdamNeve.com just Trish it's the only way to get this offer. We love you Adam and Eve and thank you for sponsoring today's episode. Why are they so concerned?

[Oscar]

You should have the freedom to choose whether you want, you know, for them to use your information or not. That's your choice. Choice. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw so many people like we're not paying taxes. I was like, all right, well I think that's not a good idea either. I love the people's idea of rebelling though. Like in theory that sounds like a good idea. But I don't know if that really works. It does suck. We don't have a little more say over tax dollars in these situations. You know, I mean like we do pay, I guess like the fires too. That's the whole thing, right? California is crazy expensive. And it's just like it is crazy. Like where does.

[Oscar]

No, you have zero. You know, when I moved here to California, there were the talk was the high speed train.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh yeah.

[Oscar]

And at the time it was like immediately out of the good, you know, $4 billion, $6 billion, 8 billion like billions of dollars went to make a high speed train. Never happened.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really.

[Oscar]

And nobody talks about it anymore.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's a lot of think about that. What? Every time someone wins the lottery, a billion dollars. Half a million. Half of half a billion goes to the government. And where's that? What's a lot of tax dollars do? That's crazy.

[Oscar]

And you're not even asking them to give us the money. Just keep the water like don't let the water drain to the ocean. Just keep it in reservoir.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tick tock. Please. Like all of it. I know. It doesn't, it doesn't. Someone Told me we drink tap water in this house. And someone told me this morning to not drink the tap water. Did we hear this? Because I keep drinking.

[Oscar]

Well, with. With the fires, the air pollution is bad, and some of the water pollution, not necessarily our.

[Trisha Paytas]

Should we get water filters? I'm scared now.

[Oscar]

Some. Some places, you know, everything that got burned is now gonna go down to the ground to the waterways.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, but, like, should we stop drinking the tap water?

[Oscar]

I know. Tell us in the comments.

[Trisha Paytas]

You tell me. Cause you're the one that got me on the tap water pick. And now that I'm drinking it and.

[Oscar]

Malibu drinks, we can filter it.

[Trisha Paytas]

We probably should. I got scared. No, you didn't tell me that.

[Oscar]

But the source of our water is not, like, from the fires.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I've been drinking so much of it. By the way, side note, got Moses food this morning when I ordered from France.

[Moses Hacmon]

There you go. We love to see it. We'd love to see it.

[Trisha Paytas]

She has lots of ball soup down there. Well, I had to get pancakes for a brand deal I did this morning. And so I was like, well, I'm going to order pancakes. And then I was like, well, I know he likes matzo ball. I got chicken finger, got fries. I got a waffle. I was like, all right. So he did eat it. Update on that. I guess.

[Oscar]

It'S all because of the fires. You see, people are nicer.

[Trisha Paytas]

Packed. We went Friday that was, like, overflowing with people. I've never seen so many people. I guess we're so close to Malibu. People are like, over here. Our hotels are at full capacity. Like, it is, actually.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone's coming over this way. I won't say who, but we did ran into someone that I've. That I've talked not nice about on the podcast. It's the most terrifying thing in real life. And, you know, they know you and vice versa. It's not someone, like, super famous, but. Oh, man. I saw. As soon as we drove, I saw him, and I was just like, wait, is that. And was like, yeah, I didn't want to go in. I was like, because, you know, Brent's. You have to do, like, a walk in. And he was waiting outside. I was like, I don't want to walk in. Luckily, we had a hat in the back. And give me a hat. So I, like, went with a hat. I'm holding Malibu, like, shielding me. I'm just walking straight past. And then I was like, did he. Did he see. Did he look up, like. So he was, like, looking down too. That's. Everyone is avoiding icon then. And then I put my name in for the list. Trish. And then he put his name in. So we both heard the names being called. And we have like, what? And Brent's. You. There's, like, long booths where you can, like, sit next to each other. I was like, oh, my God, what if you say we didn't. However, right by the cash register. So when he was paying the bill, I was like, right there. I just, like, looked down. I'm just like, oh, my God. It's, like, so weird to, like, be around someone that you've. And he's definitely, like, an enemy. Like, he's definitely not, like, wait, say.

[Moses Hacmon]

It will bleep it. Oh, whatever about him.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I know he's almost someone where I'm like, I don't regret talking bad about him, but it is an awkward thing, especially because he was like, his elderly parents and, you know, his. His kid. And I'm just like, okay, so this is awkward. But, yeah, I didn't care. It's just more like, is there going to be confrontation? Not with him, I guess, but you just never know. I was like, but we seem him so much. Like, I've seen him, like, air. Like, I've seen him so many places. Santa.

[Oscar]

He just doesn't do much other than his podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, don't give away too many clues. But I don't care. I really don't care. But it is kind of. It is a little. Let me just avoid it. Just seeing people, I'm just always like, oh, let me avoid everything.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm the opposite. I would love, you know, that's my dream. I am manifest.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if that's true. You saw Cody Cohen said nothing to him.

[Moses Hacmon]

But the thing is, if I went up to someone that we talked about, I feel like I'm the bull. Like, I'm the aggressor. I'm the bully. But if they come to me, I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Don'T think it's a bully if you just confront them. Like, I wish I could go up to this person and like, you're gross. But it's not like it's bullying. That's like.

[Moses Hacmon]

I do kind of feel like it's punching down, though, because, like, think about it. Everyone we talked about has already been like, cody co has been canceled. Right? So then if I went out to him, someone who's, you know, it's pretty much been canceled. Like, he's a David Dobrik who's getting like 10 million views or Whatever. So to me, it comes across like punching down versus if he did it. To me, I'm like, okay, well, game on. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, what do you think about. Did you see the Alec Baldwin clip that went viral? This.

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Someone was. It was in New York and someone was like, basically with an iPhone, being like, you know, you want to lie to somebody, how are you not in jail? Like, how are you still walking? You analyze it like, they kept doing it. And he was ignoring. He was ignoring. They follow him out. He's like, waiting for a car or something like that. They keep mentioning that incident. But there was something else, too. I can't remember what they mentioned something else that he did and then that got him to, like, punch them. And so do you think. And I want to say it was.

[Oscar]

Like, happens with him. I think people target him because he has a temper.

[Trisha Paytas]

He has a temper. But I think it was like, Candace Owens, I don't follow her, but on TikTok, she pops up sometimes. I think it was like, Candace Owens, who's like, I don't. Or maybe someone like, on Fox News, they're like, oh, I don't disagree with what Alec did. Like, they were kind of on his side because the person was so pastry. So then I went to the comments and all the comments were like, on Alex side to being like, well, that person was annoying. So it's like, at what point? Because it is so true, right? What if this person. And we don't know how long it went on, it was obviously inside and then outside. But it's like, what if someone just harasses you? I mean, gosh, you can't punch someone. But it's also like, at what point does it just be like, okay, stop. And is it warranted? Is Alec Baldwin's warranted? I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. I guess it depends on, like, the extent of it. It does seem like just like harassment at. At that point. Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, but you can get in trouble.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, I think it also depends. Like I think we talked about before, there is like that thing about fighting words. But I think it has to be, like, very, very incendiary. Like, almost like if someone was coming up to me and was, like, very homophobic or something, you know, then that is. So I guess it depends on what exactly was being said, because I don't feel like. I don't know if that would technically be fighting words under. I mean, but also, it's just things that can be argued in court. Like, fighting words isn't like the ultimate. Ultimate defense. But it is something that can be argued as a defense, you know? And I'm sure Alec Baldwin, as we've seen, has a great lawyer, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's true. Get off of it. For sure. I mean, that was wild. And the guy is, like, so old. I mean, not to, like, give him a pass, but, like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or the guy yelling, Alec. Oh, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. I mean, he's old.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

70 years old.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who was the person yelling? Was it someone younger?

[Trisha Paytas]

Woman.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, really?

[Trisha Paytas]

And they didn't show because they were filming, but it sounds like a woman was just like, hey, like, you know, know, like, harassing him. I don't know. Maybe it may. But, like, it sounded like woman. But then also to punch a woman would be actually kind of crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Maybe like a shove. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was definitely. It was definitely aggressive where the phone, like, fell and broke. So maybe they just took it. I don't know. That is, like, such a tough one.

[Oscar]

I think he has a temper, so people set him up and confront. Because I've seen so many of those clips with him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. He was doing pretty good in this clip until, like, something they said. I forgot what it was, but maybe it was about, like, Hilaria, which, by the way, is she. Is she Spanish or.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, that's the whole other thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's not.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. I don't think so, technically, but she has, like, an accent. I know there was one viral clip where she forgot how to say the word onions in English and in Spanish.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because the guy told her, also in Spanish. Oh, yeah, this too. And it's like, how'd you forget it in both. I mean, it is wild, though. Why is she doing that?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, for so long. Huh.

[Oscar]

Maybe she has a memory problem. I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's just. But, like, the fake and accent's crazy because everyone's saying she's from Boston.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I get it if you're trying to be like Michaela and, like, do, like, a thick Boston accent and you're exaggerating that. But, like, you just pick a whole different. I mean, that's like. If you just start speaking like, Ricky Ricardo and is, like, super Cuban all of a sudden, which is, like, not bad, but it's wild. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's not authentic. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not authentic.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I would love that if he just started speaking honestly.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Does your dad have a Cuban accent?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, my mom used to.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's Cuban.

[Moses Hacmon]

My mom is Cuban. Yeah. And she kind of used to. And in Spanish, my dad says that she has, like, a really Cuban accent, because the way they speak Spanish is a little bit different.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So my dad used to, like, tease her about, like, the way that she speaks Spanish, like, very Cuban, because my dad's Peruvian. So it's just like a different. Like, a little bit different kind of Spanish. Yeah. But they don't really have an accent. My grandparents all had really thick accents.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I love a thick accent. Like, I like it. It's just funny that she. But also, like, if I decided to speak in an accent, like, do people just have to accept it? Do you know what I mean? Like, that is kind of crazy to just start at speaking in, like.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like that happens kind of frequently, though, too. Like, who is it? There's, like, a Dorit on the Real Housewives. I haven't watched it in a while. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. But she kind of has this, like, European kind of accent. But she. She just travels to Europe a lot. So, like, everyone. At the beginning. I remember when she first showed the show, everyone's like, why does she talk like this? She's from, like, the New England area, but she has, like, this weird mix, and she likes Atlantic. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, people do develop. I mean, I don't know. Like, I feel like there are certain people who do have that, like, weird accent. And it's like, that's. I guess if you travel a lot, you'd pick them up, I guess. I don't know, like, wherever you're at.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, you're gonna come back from your tour. Have the craziest as well.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just from the US because you are.

[Moses Hacmon]

Kind of like a mirror, though. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you do reflect your surroundings a lot, so it'll be very interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do have a. I'm going quickly to another country and coming back, and I'm just like, oh, I wonder if I'll come back with an accent.

[Moses Hacmon]

It very well might happen.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. That's true. I mean, in the Celebrity Brother house, I remember I had, like, a little bit of an accent. You just start picking up the dialect. It's like a sponge. Maybe I will be Madonna. Just have a little British accent. I like accents. It's cute. Hilarious is cute. Maybe. I have a theory. She probably met Alec that way. And what's up? Because he talks about it as if she's had it forever.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, maybe. Maybe you're right.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a good theory.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is a good theory.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because he'll say, like, oh, you know, when I met her, he did, like, he even did her accent in, like, interviews. You know, she's Spanish or whatever. And I was just like, so maybe he just met her that way and she, like, can't change it. Does she talk like that around her kids? Like, it's so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's a good theory. Like, she just has to commit.

[Trisha Paytas]

I want to interview her. I would love. I think we talked about this before. I don't remember. Do you remember Flula?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

His accent was fake. Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Did we talk about this before? I think so.

[Oscar]

We talked about it long time ago.

[Trisha Paytas]

On the pot or just in life? I never heard it because he was always on, but, you know, he was this German YouTuber who was like, super German. Like, he's like, I don't want to do it because I want to be, like, offensive or anything, but he was like, in pitch perfect. Like, he would clap every single person. And he was super, super German, had a very thick German accent. And literally everyone I knew was like, oh, it's fake. Like, people who are really close to him was like, that's definitely a fake accent. He just speaks regular girl all the time. And I was like, oh, that's.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, he fooled me. I literally. I just saw a TikTok of him last night.

[Trisha Paytas]

No way.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was like an old clip. You know that trend right now where, like, they take a clip and then they, like, have inspirational music and then the text over, like, different landscapes. There was one of him.

[Trisha Paytas]

What did say? What was it?

[Moses Hacmon]

I forget what it was. What the clip was. Oh, it was about Santa Claus is coming to town. It was saying that. Why? Like, Santa's a stalker. Why are you coming? And it was definitely old because it seemed like the vine days. It looked like an old vine or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was kind of big on via.

[Moses Hacmon]

But that's random because that's the first time I've seen him in a long time.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I wonder if he's, like, still making content because he was doing, like, movies. He kind of got into movies for a minute and he kind of was big. Like, he's kind of on Conan. He's kind of everywhere. Yeah, it was interesting, but I guess it worked. I mean, I guess we were like, even me, I think I did a collab with him and I was just like, oh, my God, a German. Like, I don't know. People are so, like, into it. Like, I don't know, it's a novelty. But then everyone's like, no, it's definitely, definitely fake. I was like, all right, Flu. Look, wherever you are, come out. I'm pretty sure I deleted it. I'm pretty sure that was probably an offensive one. I think we were doing, like, German slang or something like that. I was in, like, a leaden hosen. We were talking about David Hasselhoff. Oh. And he was. He always also played dumb. Like, not only was he German, but I remember he played dumb. He's like, I. Well, I guess his accent was fake, but he was just very like, oh, I don't know who this is. Like, I don't know. He was very that. Where I would, like, show him pictures of people. He's like. And then he would say something like, it's David Hasselhoff. He's like, no, I don't know who. He has, like, a very. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think that's.

[Oscar]

Nobody in Germany care.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what? Germans are cool. Not to say. Obviously don't culture appropriate, but Germans people are very cool. I feel like they. They just take it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Take what? What are they taking?

[Oscar]

They've been humbled, so they just kind.

[Trisha Paytas]

Of like, yeah, you know how you can be like, all right, well, I'll take some jokes. You know what I mean? I think they can take some jokes.

[Oscar]

Any country that was a big villain in a world war, it was not their fault.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's also a long time ago. Oh, my God. You're like, they're still paying for it in 2024. Oh, my God. We are in 2025. Damn. Why does. Why does it start off so crazy? Why is 2025. We came back last week, and I was like, wow, we're back. It's good. And then I just.

[Moses Hacmon]

Pandora's box open the next. Literally the next day.

[Oscar]

We know who came back.

[Trisha Paytas]

David and the fires and all of it. David went under the radar because the. Of everything happening, no one talked about David. Probably for the better.

[Moses Hacmon]

I did see it a lot on Twitter, but, I mean, he didn't even really win over the gays, which is kind of shocking because I feel like the gays, I mean, we love, like, abs. You know what I mean? Like, loveable with abs. But even. Even David, his little transformation, couldn't. Couldn't get the gay attention. And that's kind of saying something.

[Trisha Paytas]

I. I hate to say this, but I kind of. I felt a little bit bad for David getting body shamed so badly. Like, people were like, wow, he's still that face, though. You know, People were still so mean.

[Oscar]

Body shaming.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, they were like. But a lot of people also been like, why does he still look weird? Like people just being so. And I'm like, like, I mean, I get it. We he's awful. Like, I literally think he's the devil amongst us. But also just like, damn, you like work so hard. You're so excited to show off this transformation. Everyone's just like, you look weird. That's crazy people. I didn't see one nice comment. Everyone's just like, I guess the way he did it too, like showing off to his friend. Like it was. But people were just going in. I was like, damn. I've never seen someone like get fit. And people like, like hate it. I was like, he looked better before. Damn. I was like, I wasn't expecting that. I saw even when we watched it the first time, I was like, wow, he looks pretty good. This is pretty unbelievable. And everyone is just like, no, you look weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think the big thing, the theme I saw was that it almost looked like an AI or like they put. There was one tweet. I hate to laugh at it, but it was like, it was like a head transplant.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. The first person to survive a head transplant. I like, damn.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Here's the thing though. He did the like bodybuilder and this is what Ilia does, I guess for his transformations. He does like the bodybuilder hack that they do on like body competitions where they do that. That crazy tanner and it just looks nuts. Like there's. It works for like the body competition shows. Cuz that's what they do, you know. But just to run around and show everyone and do it like a video with the crazy dark like self tanner.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

It just looks nuts no matter what you do, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Face didn't match. Didn't have a good. What is it? Foundation or if I was going to.

[Moses Hacmon]

Read, I can talk about that line on someone's neck. It was nasty. Yeah.

[Oscar]

It's just the face didn't match. It's just a bad makeup.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, right, right, right.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I, I mean, I think he's a bad person. I think he's a cute boy. Or like, he's a cute guy. He's. Yeah, I think he's a cutie. I don't think he's ugly. That's why even Jeff, like I couldn't really get behind the Jack tweet was like, you should have done your hair. I was like, well, he could, you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Know, like, why didn't he just go full, you know, get a full hair transplant to just go full makeover? I'M surprised he didn't. I mean, you know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Because everyone gets it. I'm like, everyone gets the hair transplant. He easily cut off.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like he should have. That would have gone the extra mile. Then he would have Jeff in his tweets. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Jeff would not have come up with something else.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he can no longer get him for that.

[Oscar]

Need to learn from. Was it Met Drive?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just a little bit. Someone else got a hair transplant. Oh, the guy from Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. Dakota. He got a hair.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. I'll be getting. I'll probably get one at some point.

[Trisha Paytas]

They look good. I would love to. I have. My forehead goes really far back. I would love to. It just looks like it hurts a little bit. Like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Who. Who de influenced me was Gigi when she was here, because she talked about how, like, how bloody was in the scabbing and stuff and how it was gross. So she kind of de influenced me. But on the opposite side, she looks great.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, yeah, I know everyone is. Manny got it. I think Jeffrey's got it. Like, they all do look pretty good.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think everyone says Andrew Garfield went to Turkey to get it done. I think it's just a narrative. I don't know if the turkey is verified. It does look like he did something, but he looks great.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I'm going to Turkey this week. I'm speaking Turkish. That's what I'm coming back to. He does look good. I. Yeah, it is. Compute. Yeah. Hair is such a funny one because it does change you. So that's why I love wigs, because it's like, it changes your look so much. And then when I don't have a wig, it's like, oh, my God, I have no hair. I'm like, you know, not that I have no hair, but there's, like, balding spots and there's, like, my hairline going back. And it does change you so much. And when everyone gets. It's like boob implants. When everyone starts getting them done, you're like, well, mine look bad now in comparison.

[Moses Hacmon]

Totally.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So.

[Moses Hacmon]

And every time someone gets it done, they're like, oh, my God, you look great. You know? So it's like, damn. Maybe David should have the. The healing thing, though, I guess, because, I mean, he was filming that whole time, so maybe he couldn't get it done and heal for, like, a couple more.

[Trisha Paytas]

A couple more months for his return. You know what I mean? I feel. Was it Zayn? I think got it a couple Times and, like, didn't work.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think Heath did it. I don't know if Zayn did. I know for sure Heath did it.

[Trisha Paytas]

A couple times, and I think it, like, didn't work a couple times. I think.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like it's supposed to, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, Heath got it. Yeah, he's got it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I think it has a really good success, what I've seen. So it's crazy if it didn't work. But I remember Heath. Like, he documented it. Like, maybe. I don't know if it was a sponsorship or something, but he did, like, a couple dedicated videos about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would do it for a sponsorship. Yeah, me too. I need to get all of it done.

[Oscar]

Mike did it for a sponsorship. We saw that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Mike Maylock. Oh, yeah. He went to Turkey. Everyone does get it done. That is crazy, because people are so mean. Like, people are just like, oh, my God, you're like, that Dakota. I was just like, I didn't know his hair was thinning. And everyone's just, like, so mean. David, too. Like, I get it. Like, he's awful. And, like, I don't mind Jeff taking jobs because, like, I would, too. Like, I would do anything because you just ruined my life. But, you know, in general, I never noticed David's hair's thinning, but I guess he puts it forward. He was a cat a lot.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. That's how I feel for him. Like, listen, I'm the same. I'll get it done at some point. I'm sure David will get it done at some point, but you can't facelift your soul. I'm working. Oh, is that good? I was trying to workshop it in my head. I was like, what's. What's the clap bag here?

[Trisha Paytas]

But is that the debate? Can you. Is it okay to body shame if it's the devil? Like, maybe. Thank you to the sponsor of today's episode, Morgan and Morgan, a new sponsor, which I'm very happy to tell you more information about. Life can be crazy sometimes, and one person's negligence can result in another settlement. If you are injured by the negligence of another, you deserve to be paid. If you're in an accident, not calling a lawyer means you could be leaving money on the table. When you're seriously hurt, your injury could be worth millions. If you're ever injured, you can check out Morgan and Morgan. Morgan and Morgan is America's largest injury law firm. They have over 100 offices nationwide and more than 1000 lawyers. With over $20 billion recovered for over 500,000 clients. Morgan and Morgan has a proven track record of fighting to get you full and fair compensation. Submitting an injury claim with Morgan and Morgan is so easy. If you're ever injured, you can check out Morgan and Morgan. Their fee is free unless they win. For more information, go to for the people.comtrish or dial pound law. £529. Life is hard. Submitting an injury claim with Morgan and Morgan is easy. Losing weight is hard. Submitting an injury claim with Morgan and Morgan is easy. If you're ever injured, you can check out Morgan and Morgan. Their fee is free unless they win. For more information, go to for the people.com Trish or dial pound law. That's pound 529 from your cell phone. That's f o r the people.com Trish or pound law. Pound 529 from your cell. This is a paid advertisement. When is it okay to body shame? Maybe make them feel something, you know? I don't know that's true. Like, is it okay?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. I kind of feel like anything. Kind of. I don't know. I. Me personally, actually, no, I was gonna say I don't do that, but Matt rife. I did. I did face shame.

[Trisha Paytas]

That right? So I guess you shouldn't. Because ultimately, like, what if they, like, took it personally?

[Oscar]

You know, Maybe that's their origin story. Maybe that's how they became the villain that they are.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I guess on one hand it's like, okay, taste of your medicine. On the other hand, what if they are. Are unhinged? What if they're not mentally well, then you just push them over the edge. So maybe don't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe. But in my defense, he. Matt Rife was making fun of people who have mental disabilities and women's vaginas and this, that, and the third. So then it's like, well, if you're gonna say someone has an ugly vagina, then I feel like anything kind of. Who was it about it was on that podcast. Was it Brooke that he was saying her vagina was an Audi or something? Like, her vagina was out? Like. Like, if you're gonna make one of someone's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, things that people can't change, then it's like, okay, well, then I'll make fun of your face. That's botched. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess that was the theory behind David, which is like. That's what I'm saying. Some of it. I was kind of like, yeah, I get him, but that's kind of like, I hope he's okay. Like, I hope he's not, like, you know, I don't know. Especially when you go through a trip, we talk about this. Like, I can imagine, like, losing £100 and thinking like, oh, my God, everyone's gonna love this. And, like, look at all the brand deals coming my way. And then people just like, ew. Like, and you just psychologically went through so much. You're just high.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, that's true.

[Trisha Paytas]

So. But also, don't hurt yourself.

[Moses Hacmon]

But yeah, yeah, like I said earlier, like, if something bad happens, like Mr. Beast or whatever, I would still feel bad, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I think it just, like, sucks when, like, someone's, like, not listening and not, like, getting. While they're a bad person. So people are just like, okay, let's try a different way. And I, like, get it. But at some point, someone's just never gonna take accountability. And I think David's one of those people. And it's just like, all right, we just need stop screaming at him.

[Moses Hacmon]

But also not to, like, go back on David too much. But then I didn't see the full vlog and then I saw another clip. I think Adam was reacting to it or someone, and I didn't realize how badly he was talking about. It was like, before body where. Which was a normal, like, body. But he's like, oh, my God, I'm such a fat. Ilia was like, oh, my God, how did you let yourself go like this?

[Trisha Paytas]

Which is crazy. That was.

[Moses Hacmon]

He just looked normal.

[Trisha Paytas]

He literally, literally so normal, like, not even overweight, just, like, didn't work out.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I was like, it's like, so triggering for everyone. That's, like, watching that because again, he has a big guy audience and not every guy is going to be, like, ripped or whatever. But no.

[Trisha Paytas]

And there's a lot of girls I see on Tick Tock that love David. Like, I don't care what anyone says, like, love David. Like, there's a lot of girls who love him too. And it's just like. I mean, he is fat phobic. Like, he would always call. He called everyone in that group.

[Moses Hacmon]

So. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's very fat phobic. So know, maybe he has his own self hatred. Maybe his parents, like, I'm not sure what. But he, like, hates fat people for sure. So I'm sure he thought in his head he was.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're so right. Anyone who wasn't, like, ripped, like, their character, like, one of their character traits was just being a fatty and eating.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Even, like, the guys that, like, weren't that Fat.

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't even clock that. Yeah, well, you blew my mind.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's crazy.

[Oscar]

I thought he was better than everyone before. Now he definitely thinks he's like, God.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like, I'm no longer fat. Look at me. Give him a year. As long as he likes to eat. Because he said that was the hard part was his dieting. And it's like, yeah, and I'm not like wishing fatness on anyone. But.

[Oscar]

No, but it doesn't matter because the transformation works only for like that shocking. The first shock moment. But then what? You know, like, look at Nikocado. It's like, okay, he did the transformation. That's it.

[Moses Hacmon]

You got to bring something else.

[Oscar]

Moving back to normal, you know, it's like everyone gets used to it and that's it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I keep telling him I want to go on GLP1 Moses. I'm like, he was £100. Like, then what? Then you gain it back. Like gain back £100.

[Oscar]

No, I didn't say they didn't get it back.

[Trisha Paytas]

You did. Cuz you're like, you have to be on that forever. I was like, no, I lose £100, I'm going to be able to maintain it.

[Oscar]

If you're willing to commit to something, you're going to take forever. That's a different story.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but like, you don't need to. Cuz your stomach will shrink. Like if you lose £100, your stomach shrinks you. There's just like, you could gain it back, but it would take time. It's not going to take me. It's. I'm going to get £100 in a year. Cuz your stomach's small. Like when I lose a little weight.

[Oscar]

I think we talk about this matter of a year. It's a matter of like sustaining, like something that's sustainable. So you lose it slowly. And if you lose it slowly in a sustainable way, you'll keep it.

[Trisha Paytas]

But if you're doing it, not anytime soon.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I am doing it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Going on tour. I need my energy. I'm scared to be sick. But all right. Well, we love gel pens not sponsored by RO today. But I can't wait to hit them up. Be like, I'll take some of that actually. I wonder if they like increase. If I actually like use it and lose weight. Do we get a promo bump?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like trim spot with Anna Nicole.

[Oscar]

Right. Usually when you lose weight after the fact, they come to you like, hey, say that you use this one or that one.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I would use it because I mean, try to give it to us.

[Moses Hacmon]

For the most accessible. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel a little bad for David but you know, it's fine. He's kind of an awful person still. So. Okay. It's nice that documentary case is getting leaked. Do you see another.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, there's another clip that came out.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's another clip where David. I think maybe this one's been up before, but it's like a longer version where he said like it's not fun unless someone gets hurt. You seen that one?

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's like them in the back of their like Studio City house. And now he's like, yeah, he's like, do you ever say no, David? Yeah, I'm like the safety person. I say no to him a lot.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

And yeah, it was. They were them doing like a weird stunt in the pool and he's just. And yeah, that's when he's just like, yeah, she's like not fun until like someone gets really seriously hurt or something. And even Jeff is like, David's so lucky. Like in this clip he's like, he has the best luck of anybody. Like it's really like eerie and ominous. It's. I just. That documentary should just like come out.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who is leaking it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Probably Casey.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was gonna say like. Cuz I like the timing is so odd, right? And it's not like it's. I guess there was like a digital screener for south by Southwest. That's how people like were able to watch it. But don't you think it would have like leaked if someone like screen recorded it or something?

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

It would have leaked when it was fresh. Right when Jeff was like just turning around.

[Trisha Paytas]

And now it's happening now. Yeah, maybe Jeff, he had access to the screener.

[Moses Hacmon]

I want to get to the bottom of it. By the way, I don't think it's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Jeff because I wanted him to send me it. He was like scared I was gonna leak it. I was like, just send it to me. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

But I wish we would have probably.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yeah, I wanted to react to it on Patreon just like, just like pausing and then like saying what just happened rather than like obviously sharing it to everybody.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I know because even in the episode I was scared to put the lip. The leaked clip in as B roll. Like in the episode.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, interesting.

[Moses Hacmon]

Even like spill session didn't put it in her video. And I feel like like cuz I was. I was thinking I had the pre. The pre. Pre premonition. I was like Wait, if I post this and then he like claims it or something, then the whole thing is gone, then I'll lose it. And then I was like seeing, I was like, is anyone else using this? And then I, it's over.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tik Tok.

[Moses Hacmon]

But, and she like had a photo of her Tik Tok but she didn't put the actual clip. So I'm like, damn, if even she's afraid to put it in then I don't think I should.

[Oscar]

Cuz you shouldn't. You know, if there's a leaked content contact, you shouldn't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well that's why we do Tick Tock. Because how else are we gonna get leaked content? Can't put it anywhere else. Yeah, it is crazy. I guess Tick Tock is kind of crazy that way where there's not really like regulations.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is for better. I mean the downside too is like people post like all of Wicked. Like people are in there filming Wicked on their phones and they're posting like wicked in 50 parts like as it comes out.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

So that's like the downside of it. But then there is the power of like, you know, know, people spreading news and stuff. And I think that is the good part about Tik Tok is like, you know, the power is in the hands of the people to spread different stories again for better or worse. Because sometimes people be coming up with crazy things, you know, but, but I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Think for the more better, like we said, there's a lot of like worse out there, but I feel like better. It's like there's so much more like awareness. Things go viral quicker and I, I, I'm, I don't know anyone who's not pro TikTok, honestly.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, Whose platform besides like obviously the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Supreme Court is that who's stopping it? It scared to go against popular demand, you know what I mean? Like just with everything happening, it's like just go with the flow. Like go with what the people want. Do we vote them in or they're elected by the President?

[Moses Hacmon]

The Supreme Court by the President? I believe.

[Trisha Paytas]

So they don't care what we say.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right? You have to be chosen. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is there a new Supreme Court every four years?

[Moses Hacmon]

No. Until you die.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, what?

[Oscar]

You get appointed for life.

[Trisha Paytas]

So who appointed the Supreme Court there now like Lyndon B. Johnson?

[Oscar]

Well, there was. The Republicans were lucky that two passed away when they were lucky. That's, that's how it works. Like the Supreme Court can be there. You know, one vote can change the whole Supreme Court to be more liberal. Or more.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who instituted the Supreme Court.

[Oscar]

Right now it's over the years. Over many, many years.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, but who's like the oldest, Like Nixon. Nixon.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're all. There's some like, 80s, like Ron Reagan.

[Trisha Paytas]

Put someone in there probably. So they're old. They're all old.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're a lot. There's a lot of oldies in there, for sure. But then that's why.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that's why they hate Tik Tok. Because it's wild. I'm like, who's going against us? Like, I, you know, like, that's just crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

This is our political episode.

[Oscar]

This is the most political ever again.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's always too telling each other exactly. I'm like, yeah, you can do so.

[Oscar]

Many things, but once you touch Tick Tock, we turn police.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because no one ever. No one ever talks about the logistics of it, like, who's actually banning us.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm sure some people do, but. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. They did.

[Oscar]

Well, just because that is. It's. It's controlled, but not by our government, so that's why.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right. Controlled, but not by our government. Got it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Well, we.

[Oscar]

The thing is, they want. They want to. Because even if the government, if they offer that the US Will buy Tick Tock here, it just won't work because the algorithm is a. Is a worldwide algorithm. So once we have our own algorithm, it just won't be Tick Tock anymore. It just becomes like something else, you know, because it won't work as well anymore.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that's crazy, though. But the rest of the world will still have Tick Tocks like London.

[Moses Hacmon]

And it's kind of like when Twitter went down for Brazil, I believe, Leave. Oh, yeah. Like, Brazilians couldn't access Twitter anymore. And Brazilians are a huge part of Twitter.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. You know, all the tweets, like, come to Brazil, you know? No, I'm sure if you check, you Brazilians are being like, come to Brazil. Trisha perform in Brazil.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've never once seen that.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's a big. Like, they're just big. It's a big standom culture. Like, there's a big. For like a lot of the comic book movies, a lot of singers and stuff. Yeah, I think they got it. They got access back, but they were gone for a while and it was sad. Very much the vibe with Tick Tock. They had like their goodbye parties and stuff, and they were just going down one by one.

[Trisha Paytas]

When did this happen?

[Moses Hacmon]

It was a couple months ago. It was last year, but I think they're back. I think they either I'm not familiar with, like, what the change was, like, obviously, with the government, but I know that they found they either are allowed to be back or found a way to come back.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're like, we're here.

[Moses Hacmon]

We're back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Came back. Shout out Brazil. Let us know. Clap if you're from Brazil. No one claps. I would love to know. I would love to know. Anybody watching in Brazil called. Not on Twitter.

[Moses Hacmon]

Abrigado Brazil.

[Trisha Paytas]

Abogado. Is that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know Portuguese?

[Moses Hacmon]

That's all I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

How do you know that? That's so random. How did you learn that? I don't know one Portuguese word. That's cool. Trilingual.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, too. I would. I really want to get better at Spanish. We should do that together. That could be. Our goal is to learn Spanish. Patreon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Every week that has been my goal. I've been buying every single learn Spanish that I really would love to do.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like. I know. I feel like my brain wants to, like, because my mom's caretaker only speaks Spanish, and she. And it's so hard because I feel like I come across so rude because I can't respond to her. And I'm trying so hard, like, and I understand what she's saying, like, by. Because I understand enough to know the sentence and, like, the context, but then not being able to reply, like, I just feel so bad because she's so sweet. Eat. And she, like, every time I'm there, she's, like, trying to talk to me, and I'm. I'm struggling, so I really want to learn.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can you do a little bit?

[Moses Hacmon]

A little bit? Like, I. I think she was talking to me about my laundry the other day because I left it in the dryer or something. So she was just like, oh, like, I folded it for you. And I understood, like, laundry.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then she pointed to the laundry. So I'm like, I know what he's saying. And I was like, you know, I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was like, okay, that is good. I. I'm trying to learn, too. I swear my Malibu can speak Spanish. Like, she's like. So, like, she picks up everything from Dora or just people around it. Because anyone around that speaks Spanish, I'm always just speak Spanish door. You know, whatever. Because she, like, soaks it up so well. Like, she'll. There's certain songs she sings in different languages, and she just, like, starts. And I'm just like, she'll just be around the house speaking, like, a different language. I was like, how do you know? Because, like, at that age, she like soaks it up so well and I was just like, gosh, I'm so jealous. So that's one thing I wish. I guess if you're a kid, you should probably teach your kid and you know a different language.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know that is the best time to learn. I wish I wasn't a brat when I was little, but. But you know what? Can you do? A lesson learned for my future children. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cuz Darian speaks it, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, Darian's fluent. That's his first language.

[Trisha Paytas]

So Spanish and. And Chinese. Actually, Mandarin Chinese is the number one language spoken in the world.

[Moses Hacmon]

So in my high school, those were the three languages we could take were Spanish, Mandarin, and French.

[Trisha Paytas]

French is wild. We were offered French too. And I was like, I don't know anyone who speaks French except for my one friend who's from France.

[Moses Hacmon]

Honestly, I don't know if I know anyone who speaks French either.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's pretty close to Spanish.

[Moses Hacmon]

So kind of there's some words that are very similar. Like the same. I took Italian in college for. I don't even know why I think. I literally think. And this is how dumb I was. I was like, Lizzie McGuire went to Italy. I want to learn Italian.

[Trisha Paytas]

Same, same. Yeah, no, someone went somewhere else. I'm like, yeah, I want to learn Italian is cool. I like, sometimes in Italian restaurants people speak at like, like the, the service people, like, they'll speak it, which is like so cool. I was like, wow, you know Italian?

[Moses Hacmon]

Or like the menu at the real Italian places will be in Italian. I was like, oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Actually I always talk about this, but the one time I went on day with Fabio, he spoke Italian and he ordered stuff off the menu on. It wasn't a date. It was like a family group date. And that was in the Palisades. But it was. He was speaking Italian and I was like, well, that's pretty cool. I guess he is from Italy, but it is pretty impressive. Never hear about him. Where's Fabio?

[Moses Hacmon]

It's a good question.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's crazy. Like, where do people go? Do you know what I mean? Like, how come he was very, like, iconic? How come no one reports on him or sees him?

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe they just think no one cares.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, there's so much about Fabio I don't understand. Like, even before I met him for maybe I was just like, that's crazy. No one talks about him.

[Oscar]

If you saw him down the street, we'll take a picture and post it.

[Moses Hacmon]

And say, you see Britney and you don't really say anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. But it's Britney and she's iconic always. But I guess you're right. I guess you're right. I just was like, who is predicting Jenna Marbles come back this year? Because no one really talks about her either. But someone's like, I bet Jenna Marbles will come back this year.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, a 2025 prediction would love. But I feel like that's. I mean, crazier things have happened.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, like, I'm fascinated what she does in her day to day. Because I know what you're saying, like, people just, like, exist. But it's usually like people who, like, had, you know, they've been 40 years in their career and they just, like, retire. Like, Fabio was like, modeling for song. Not to say Jenna, like, wasn't impactful, but it's like, she's so young still. So it's like, what do you do in your day to day when you're retired as such a young person?

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm sure she's still keeping herself busy with she, like, she loves, like, dogs and stuff. Like, I'm sure she's keeping herself busy with, like, that. And I'm. Julian is obviously still very much a content creator, so maybe she does stuff with them, like, behind the scenes with, like, clothing brands and stuff. Like, almost like a Hoda, you know, like, hold a retired from today's show, but she's still doing stuff behind the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Scenes for 40 years. That's what I'm saying. Like, I think at that point, like, I'm tired. Like, I just need to, like, rest.

[Oscar]

But young influencers, they didn't come to it from, like, a perspective. Like, this is what I want to do in life. I want to be a lawyer, a doctor. Doctor. They became influencers. And then some people just opted out, but they still, they work. Maybe they went to school, maybe they have a business. But most businesses are not online. You don't see what people do. So most people, you don't see what they do every day.

[Trisha Paytas]

I want to know, like, her thoughts on Barstool. She's like the original Barstool girl. And I'm like, I want to know what Dave Portner was like when she was working there.

[Oscar]

She's staying away.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's true, I guess. God, there's so much I need to hear from her, you know? Know. And it's like, where is Jenna Marbles right now? That's crazy. Well, okay. Hope she's okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

She. Yeah, I'm sure she is. Because, like, Julian is still, like, I think he mentions her sometimes. In, like, in passing, very lightly, you know, so. Because he still streams. He still does.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, but isn't that also weird? Like, I mean, you're a streamer and like, you know, you just share your life and you only mention her briefly, like a couple. You know what I mean? Like, that would be so hard to, like, when you see someone every single day, how do you not mention them so much? Like, every day, like, oh, me and Jenna today. Oh, we went to this. You know, whatever.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think people, some people are just good at setting boundaries, you know, that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Crazy because there's boundaries and they're just talking about your life. Like, me and my wife, you know, whatever, we did this. It's like, so crazy when people, like, act like they don't exist. I mean, there's other people who do that too online, where they act like they don't, like, don't have a spouse.

[Oscar]

Or something like that, respecting her wishes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Of course. I get that. But, like, also, it's just like, how do you not talk about someone you see every single day?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think some people are just better at not over sharing or sharing too much because, I mean, there is still a lot of. Of, like. Well, it's also easier when you're doing an activity on stream. Like, if you're playing a game, you can talk about that, you know, versus, like, just sitting for three hours and talking about, like, thoughts on random news stories in your life, updates, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

But even when we just talk about, like, news stories, I still am always referencing Moses. Like, and guess we hear I always reference Moses because he's just here all the time. Like, how are you not supposed to reference somebody that's, like, always there? I don't know. And it's not even like oversharing. It's just like, oh, yeah, Moses tell you, like, I don't know. You just like, often bring up somebody. I guess. I don't know.

[Oscar]

I predict that maybe there'll be either an old platform, a new platform that one day will offer her, like, here, $50 million, come back, you know, make a podcast, lost her marbles or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

And that's a good name.

[Oscar]

And she will come back, I think if she gets, like, a big offer, you can't refuse.

[Moses Hacmon]

We.

[Trisha Paytas]

I need to go away so I can get a big offer. Nobody would care if I left for like, six months. You're like, I don't care anymore. People would. You ever think that, like, would people care if I, like, left for, like, six months or, like, because some people leave And I was like, where are you? We miss you. And then some people even, like, we didn't care.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think if you just randomly disappeared on your own terms. I feel like the people we. That they. The general public doesn't care about are the people who were forced out, you know, and then they left because no one liked them anymore. Versus, like, if you got. If you got on a high, like, Margot Robbie took a big backseat after Barbie. And I feel like if she came back, people would be like, we missed you so much. You know? Know. So it. It depends on the circumstances of your exit, I think. Like, David, I mean, some people, I guess, really didn't miss them, but a lot of the times I was like, good, you're snapping, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, stay on Snapchat.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Sometimes we say, like, we talk about people that we always saw, and suddenly we remember that, we forget.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Like, oh, that person. We used to see him all the time. Where did they go?

[Trisha Paytas]

So many people that you're just like, where did they go? Sometimes you just forget. Like you said, you kind of forget about them all together. I was like, oh, my God, that person. I forgot about that person. Which is scary to me. That's what I'm saying. We might be like that. Like, I disappear for a year, and then they're like, oh, where'd she go? I forgot about her. Like, oh, my God, that'd be crazy. That's so scary to think about. Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Just like, people not caring for you because you've kind of just always been around whether people cared or not.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's the fear. And then I just. I'm not around anymore. Like, we don't care. Cause I like the idea of, like, disappearing in the sense of I'm still well. But also people are like, where's Trish? I love when. Because I do get jealous when people like, where is this person? We miss them. You know what I mean? Like, I do get jealous a little bit of that, but I can't be gone long enough to be missed. I guess I fear I'll always be here.

[Moses Hacmon]

Sometimes when you don't Instagram story for, like, two days, I'm like, what's going on? You know? Cause you are very on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. This weekend I was like, I don't really know what to post. Like, I try and post what can help, but then I'm like, I don't know. Know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It is hard to navigate that. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just never want to cross. Come across inauthentic, but I don't come across, like, not caring. Yeah, it's so hard. It's so difficult. So I try and post some things here and there, but, yeah, it feels weird to just be like, here's my Mac and cheese.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's how I felt too. It was very overwhelming. It's like, I didn't know. Again, just not knowing what to post. Still processing everything that's going on here, you know, like, it is very overwhelming. So I give props to everyone who was, like, able to mobilize right away, because I am not the type to mobilize right away. I am like, I need to sit in process for, like, three days because this is kind of traumatic and then figure out what to do.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, of course. I feel like trauma, everyone is just, like, deals with it differently. Me, I have to fully bubble myself. And not being, like, ignorant to it, it's just like, more like, mentally, I would, like, actually, like, spiral, so I'm aware. But Moses has to look at things more than me because I would literally spiral. I was at the dentist when all the. The false alarms were going off. Everyone in LA got the alarm, like, evacuation your area and everyone. So I was at the dentist when that happened. So, like, everyone's phones went off. I was like, people are running to get home. I'm, like, sitting there with my mouth open. I have nine cavities, so there's just, like, holes in my mouth. And everyone's like, we have to. People are leaving, like, literally leaving. And the only two people left are the people, like, working on my mouth. And I was just like, are we supposed to go home? It's getting dark outside. I was just like, they're like, we can't. Like, we have to finish these holes in your mouth. And I was just, like, freaking out all of the stuff. And it's just like one of those. Where was I going? Where was this started? Where did you just say? Oh, dealing with trauma. So I was just like, that's when I started spiraling because all of a sudden people are telling me what's happening and I was, like, kind of bubbling myself because, like, mentally I just can't handle a lot of things. So I. That's why I bubble myself. And so they were saying this and I just heard a spiraling because I, like, couldn't move. My mouth was, like, open and I was, like, crying. I was, like, hysterical. I was just all of a sudden, like, I, like, I don't get panic attacks. Like, couldn't breathe, had to go to the bathroom. Bathroom. They had, like, come get me out of the Bathroom. Because I was just like, I. Like, I didn't know what to do. I was like, should I escape? But like, there was like literal like holes in my mouth and they do quadrants at a time, so I think there was only like maybe three open, but I was like, do I just leave? Do I get in my car? Like, whatever. And yeah, some people, some people need to be fully alert. Moses is that person.

[Oscar]

The thing is that the fire near us started when she was at the dentist. Yes, the Kenneth fire.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it was close, really close.

[Oscar]

You know, I was watching the wind to see if it's coming our way or not. But I was like, I'm not gonna freak her out. I won't let her know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kept texting you sure.

[Oscar]

Sure enough, the false alarms went off, everyone phones and everything you just told happened. Oh no, I didn't know you had that chaos going on.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was so much chaos.

[Oscar]

I was trying to protect you from that. And I was like, only if something serious really happened, I'll let you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you're like, it's fine, it's fine. And I was like, okay. Because like, if I. So then when you start seeing, like when we were doing the podcast last week and we were hearing about all those Malibu places, like, burning down that we go to, and you're just like, oh my God. Like, and then you start, start, like my head spirals so much and then I start thinking like the absolute worst. Like everyone's dying, like just, you know, the worst. So yeah, some people, like you said, you need to process it. Some people, Some people need to shut it out. And I know a lot of people are like, okay, that's just ignorant to do, but it's like a lot of us are mentally unwell, so sometimes we need to like, shut it off. Otherwise we like actually like start hearing voices and all that stuff starts happening. And then some people can just like, Moses is very good at just handling reality. Like you can just handle it and like, kind of still go about the day or whatever. But yeah, trauma is definitely scary. What do you think there is like a debate right now. What is it called? Like, escapism. Like people who just keep living life because they have to. Or like specifically the tart trip. So many people, I think it was Coco Moco. She's like, this could be a hot take, but I don't know about the tart trip. And she was. I personally like it. She said this Coco Mo, not me. She goes, I personally like it. Cuz it's like escapism. It's giving me something because she lives in la. She, like, something that's not laughing. What are your thoughts? Because there was very divided. It was very divided, like, me too. I want to see people, like, enjoying their lives. And then the half was like, no, this isn't bad taste.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think my initial reaction to the tart trip was I was like, oh, that's not. To be honest, because the tart trips in general, like, we talked about before, even the fires happen, they always seem a little bit in poor taste just because they are so extravagant and so maximalist, you know? And like we said, I feel like people in general are kind. Kind of over that kind of lavishness and, like, over consumption. So my initial reaction was like, oh, there's no way that they should do this still. But then again, I thought about it more and I was like, well, at least they are, like, donating, right? And then I was thinking, like, okay, if I had a vacation that was booked before any of this happened, like, would I still go? And I was like, I kind of do think I would go. Like, obviously, do your part to help out any way that you can give him money.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like you can do that without the trip.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's true.

[Trisha Paytas]

To me, my issue was never this. Because we talked about it last week before. I think, like, the severity of the fires, like, really hit me anyways. Yeah, we talked about this trip. And I feel like I can fully give a real, like, analysis of this, because I think before I was like, am I just jealous about this? But being offered to go on this trip, I feel like I can fully say, like, it's not. Not jealousy. Like, it's actually it actually. And I don't know why, because I do think I maybe am on the. My, like, the. The I'm on the hot take side of this because so many people are like, yeah, I don't mind it. And, like, at least they're donating. And, like, I get all that. And, like. But you can do it without the trip. I think before, even if the fires, like, weren't happening, any of this was happening. I just think it's like the most distasteful thing you can do is just like, in this time, it's like the Christmas hauls. Everything which I, like, participated in, too, is to, like, show off what you can afford. You know what I mean? And it's fine. Like, work hard. Like, I was talking to people this morning who's like, I felt guilty going out to dinner. They said it was their birthday, and they had, like, a $600 dinner, and I was like, I think it's, like, fine to, like, enjoy if you, like, work hard for things. I think, like, showing it off on social media when, like, so many people, like, can't even afford, like, daycare or can't even afford, like, their house payments, I think is just so, like, tasteless, like. And I'm someone who, like, I'm definitely, like, can't afford, like, a private jack, because that's what they took, like, a private jack to neck.

[Moses Hacmon]

I can't afford that private jet, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Private jet. They were showing all the little, like, spread in there. They're on, I think, Richard Branson's island, because there's, like, all the red, you know, whatever, this private island and stuff. So I just was like, yeah, private jets, obviously bad for the environment. I hate people. I don't say I hate people. I just hate the idea of private jets because it's like, look, you know, I'm not the most environmentally conscious person, but I will tell you, I reuse my underwear now. I used to always just throw out underwear, and I'm like, well, yeah, let's try to do what we can. I mean, if that means using a paper, straw, bamboo, whatever, you know, I'll do it. Whatever they're putting out there, I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

It saves one turtle. Well, it saves one turtle. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know so that. But I think it's just, like, it makes people feel bad. Like, it made me feel bad. Like, when I would see these trips where I was like, God, I wish I like Bora Bora. I went once, and I like, last, I think, a year or something, I was like, wish you would have wordboard for my birthday. I looked into. It was like, $30,000 for, like, a family of four. And I was like, well, so in general, just seeing that, I think, doesn't make people feel good. I guess there is that percentage, like Coco Moco and her audience that's like, I like seeing people live lavish lifestyles, and if that's your thing, that's your thing. But I. I think the majority. And this. And Tarte gets so much backlash every time they do this trip. And it's like, read the. That's what I'm like. I just, like, read the room, right? And there are so many times where I can be out of touch, and then you, like, hear perspectives. Like, early on in this podcast, I said something like, you know, stay at home moms has it so much harder than working moms. And then so many working moms, they're like, why do that? Plus, I work. And I'm like, you're absolutely right. I was so out of touch. So, like, when you hear so many people get so mad and saying why they're upset by this, like, why don't you, like, listen, you know? And it's great. I guess they're doing a tart trip for, like, first responders and fired. Like, they're listening and that's good. But also, do we need to do it with all these influencers who are so rich? I get it. It's like a commercial. And they said there's no obligation to have to post. And I guess it's like, you know, getting money for their business or whatever too, But. And I don't blame the influencers. I really don't. I think it's just heart is just so. It's just. It's just tacky. I think it's just tacky. Here's a private jet. Here's custom Cheetos with your face on it. Here's a custom. I don't like it. I just, I. I actually hate it. And I don't know why it's been bothering me so much. And Moses somewhat disagrees with me. Like, I think I am, like, not fully. Like, I may be alone on an island, no pun intended on this, but, but, but I just feel like I get so mad. I'm actually so angry about it, and I don't know why. Like, and it's not even about the fires and leaving. Like, you said, this trip is planned. They said it's planned for a year. I don't blame the influencers that go on it. I'm just like, I don't know. I hate watching it. It's just like, there's so much. There's so much. And not to be like, that money could be used for something else. Like, I don't know. It's just. I feel like there's like, yes, they're giving back, but they could have given back so much more. Instead of a private jet that costs a hundred thousand dollars. Do you know what I mean? And targets a lot of, you know, publicity. They're out there like tarts talked about, like, I don't know. It's just. I don't know. I'm happy for influencers that get to go on it. And like, I, you know, I guess, whatever. I guess for vacation. But I hate to see it. And it makes me sad. And it makes me sad for people who, like, literally can't afford like baby formula because it's so freaking expensive. And I don't know, it's probably like. Yeah. Comparing the two. But I think again, if you can afford stuff and you work hard, like, I enjoy it, I guess. Do we have to flaunt it in front of people's faces at this time? I don't know if that's like the. The look we want but piss me off. That's all I'm gonna say. I don't know. I don't know what else to say. And I can fully say it with my chest now because I've been invited. So I feel. Feel like it's not just because somebody feel like you're just jealous. Which in the past, maybe, maybe it's like, okay, never got invited. I don't want to do it. I don't know. Like it's crazy to be like the get ready with me and just. I don't know. No shade in any influencers. I actually like, know so many of them out there and they, they seem like. You said, I love the donations. I do love the donations. That tart that everyone's doing so good. I don't think you need to like show it off in a private jet.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, no. I think you make very valid points and I think a lot of people definitely do agree with that too. I think there is something about it that does seem like kind of classes a little bit. Right. Because it is like kind of an exclusive trip. It's only a certain caliber of influencers. It is very extravagant, very over the top, very lavish. And they do get backlash every single time. Every time, every time. But it's like, is it the strategy of. It's still like any publicity is good publicity. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Join Leo Skeppy. Whitney Cummings. You're rage baiting me. It's worth. I made three TikToks about it. I didn't post. I was like, I shouldn't. Like, I just, I shouldn't. And it just was like me just looking. I just like was so disheveled this weekend and I was just like, let me not. But it still made me mad this morning.

[Oscar]

Basically, it directly connects to what they're selling, right? Because I mean, they're selling makeup. People want to look better. They want to look like these people. They want to be these people. They want to be that lifestyle. So it just matches what they're trying to sell.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you mean? What matches what?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like the aspirational sense, the image of.

[Oscar]

What people see matches. You know, people want to be those People, they want to look like them. They want to have that makeup. They want to be on that trip.

[Trisha Paytas]

To me, that's. So 2003 is just like having people that are just, like, unattainable beauties. Like, I don't want to buy something like Paris Hilton eating a Carl's Jr. Cheeseburger. You know what I mean? It's just like an unobtainable. Like, in a wet thing. Like, I think that's just like, such an ideal that people don't want to strive to be. I don't want to be. I don't want to buy something because, like, these extravagant people are showing it. I just think it's. I think it's just so out of touch for, like, especially these past couple years, just everything just being so. We noticed it. And again, we're, like, comfortable. But it's like, God, like, the inflation and, like, prices and just travel and just everything. Like, it's actually like. And when we're comfy, we're lucky, but the people that are. That are, like, not and that can't even, like, afford. Like, we were talking about, like, people who work at fast food can't even have one job to support themselves. They have to have multiple jobs to do it. And it's just like seeing just money just being flashed again on, just, like, such extravagant things. It's fine if you want to, you know, but even purses, anything. When I see people buy, like, showing a Birkin they bought or something, it makes me, like, cringe in a way, because it's just like. I don't know. It's just not. It's just not the look right now. And, like, I, like, work hard, fine. But do have to show it off. And like, I don't know, it just makes me. It actually makes me sick. The whole thing kind of made me, like, a little sick to my stomach. And I didn't like it because it's.

[Oscar]

A bigger shift in social media. I just. At the beginning, it was curiosity because before we, like, I never got to see how rich people live. I never get to see their homes. I never got to see their cars. I never got to see their jewelry. And then with social media, you start seeing those things. Or even different shows like Kardashians. Kardashians or even mtv. And you start seeing this person's crib, this person, cars, this person. So it's. At first you're curious. I'm like, okay, that's cool. But then also you start seeing poverty and war. And so suddenly you have a Vision to the whole world as a whole. They're like, okay. The fleshy stuff right now is actually seeing that next to people that just suffered from war or fire or. Then it starts to bother you. But I think it's just an evolution of society is like, now that we see everything all at once to choose what. What do we show? What do we want to see?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, Kardashians would like. I really was, like, depressed watching that because it made me think, like, oh, we need three houses and we need you. Like, it just makes you like, want more and more, even though we have, like, a lot, lot. And I was like, this is like, so gross. Or like people like Elon Musk or all these people, like, when children are like starving and like dying of starvation, it's like just crazy that people are just like, I don't know, just showing it off so much. Like, it just makes me like a little sick when there are billionaires who could help and not to say they're not again, like, tart. It's nice to be philanthropic, but it's like you could just, I don't know, to see it. It's like you could be doing much more. If I don't see it, then it's fine, whatever. Just like. But to see it is like. But yeah, Moses, I disagree. He was very. You were very much like, if there's a trip, go on the trip.

[Oscar]

A lot of the influencers point was that, let's say there's people we know that were very stressed with the fires. Air quality is horrible. They live in areas that were evacuated. I'm like, if you offer to go to another country where you don't have to suffer from the air quality, you don't have to be in that stress. And any way, you need to be evacuated. What's better than going away?

[Trisha Paytas]

But there's no obligation to post. So I really don't know. Post Startup. That's what according to. To everybody is, there's no obligation to post. So in my opinion, if that's your reason for wanting to leave, fine. Do you have to post about it? I don't know. I think that's like a little. Not even about the fires because, like, we're doing this podcast and I watch Traders and I watch Drag Race and yes, the escapism, of course, is there. Like, you don't want to just be. People have gone to the movies. They don't want to be just miserable and sad. I'm not saying that. So this is like separate from the fire thing. I think Just in general, this trip like, pissed me off and, and you know, so, yeah, let's go. Go on your trip. But I don't know, like, posting about it seems. I don't know, something about it really does bug me. I don't know why. I don't really know why like, it really. But I think just the flaunting of wealth.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think. And also that I feel like that idea can extend to about, like, with just Hollywood in general. Like, there's a big debate, like, are the Grammys going to get postponed or the Oscars? Like, obviously we're in the middle of award season and now it's like, oh, is a lot of actors especially, like, it's kind of important taste to celebrate these films and have these events that cost millions of dollars.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's interesting.

[Moses Hacmon]

And we are wearing dresses and jewelry that cost millions of dollars when there's so much going on right now. So that even like award season is up in the air for Hollywood and it's a little bit different because it's obviously taking place in LA and LA as a whole is affected. But I feel like that idea is still the same. Like, it feels kind of icky to be so excessive in general, but especially like right now.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. I never thought about that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think. Who was it? Oh, Jean Smart from Hats. She just asked like, hey, let's not do it. All these award shows coming up, just don't throw these big events. Don't pay all the money to get this on tv. You can still give us the awards, but just donate that money. Put it somewhere where it could be better used. So it'll be interesting to see what happens. I think the Grammys is talking about either postponing or making the whole thing like a benefit concert. But I guess that is kind of similar to the tart thing, right? They're still spending a lot of money on the events and then donating it. So why not at that point maybe just donate else together. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's tricky trying to find an argument I just like for the sake of debate, but I don't know. That is a good. It's a little. It feels different, but maybe not. Maybe it doesn't.

[Oscar]

They're still going to get flack because, I mean, so many people that were affected are celebrities from Hollywood. So they're like, oh, you're doing this now because. Because it's your own. It's. It's. However you look at it, it will get some criticism, but they should, they should help Whatever way they can.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is so interesting because I do like awards. I do like award season, but that is true. But something feels a little different. I don't know if it's because. I don't know. I could be really way off. I'm just trying to feel like. Debate team. We had the debate team in high school. I loved. Did you ever do it?

[Moses Hacmon]

No. I took a debate class in college because I had to, but team.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I wasn't on the debate team. I did a debate class, but I loved it because they would give you like, a side that maybe you weren't even on so you to find a way to, like, argue. I kind of loved. Which I'm trying to do here because I'm not necessarily on pro Golden Globes, but is it. Are they like getting advertisers? Like, is it like an advert? Like, where they get paid to put on this show or. No, it's just all like, where the funds come.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, they do have advertisers. Like the Golden Globes. They had that one. They had several sponsors. I think Moet was a sponsor. They had champagne. Yeah, there's a weight loss company that was a sponsor. So, yeah, they have a few different sponsors.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, because it's like. Because like, I do support entertainment and I do support, like, people. Like, I do love that, like, traders came out and stuff like that. Because it kind of gives you like the. I like the escapism part.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Like, I mean, the show's obviously. I think it's great that they're still happening. I know a lot of shows, like canceled premieres and movies. I think Jennifer Lopez was supposed to have a premiere and to her benefit, like, she canceled with the premiere. She's like, no, like, this is important. I'm gonna donate money instead.

[Trisha Paytas]

So.

[Moses Hacmon]

Shout out. JLo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love that. Yeah, no, it's definitely tricky. That's what I'm saying. It's definitely tricky. Like, obviously I have the tour thing coming up and like posting it, like, okay, is this like, whatever, you know what I mean? But it's like a month away and like, whatever, like, try to make like a living. But I do. Yeah, I do. See, I guess it's like if like a bunch of like celebrities from the Oscars got to have like a free house in Aspen and they're like doing a party. Oh, the gifting.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, the gifting for the Golden Golden Globes, for example. Like, obviously this was pre fires, but the gifting suite. I read an article from Forbes that broke down, like, the gifting Suite that they got the Golden Globes and it's worth a million dollars.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

And there's like three different trips and stuff that are included in the gifting package, I guess, for the nominees. So there is that element to it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Too, but I didn't know that. So I guess it's like, not. Maybe it's in your face. I never see it. So it's like, I kind of like it. That's like.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think they are more low key about it. I think. I think even celebrities know now, like, relatable.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Was it. I could be wrong. Was it Kim Kardashian who posted like a Balenciaga delivery this week?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, no idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw. I think. I think I saw this where it was during all this. And Kim's like, look at. Thank you, Balance Yaga. There was like all these Balenciaga bags and stuff like that. It's like. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's like one thing to get it and it's like, nice, you know, and you work hard. And another big one. It's from an old clip, but Kim Kardashian talking about fires a couple years ago on Ellen, how she. She paid not the LA Fire Department, but like a private fire brigade to come and protect her whole neighborhood. And surprisingly, the comments were actually on Kim's side where they're like, well, if I had the money, I would do this too. And it's like the timing.

[Oscar]

She was criticized heavily.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, right. And now people are like, well, I would do it too, with, like, my house and stuff like that. And it's like, again, it's like one of those things where it's like, it's probably, like, nice. And like, a lot of people in the comments like, yeah, if I had the resource, I would do it too. But, like, to, like, say it on, like, Ellen is like, wild, you know what I mean? To, like, have like a. A big display of it because it will piss a ton of people off that can't afford it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think it did piss me off too, because I was like, well, yes, you're not. You're not technically taking away firefighters from one, you know, public, big fire and then keeping them at your house or anything, you know, technically.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But those could also be used, like, actually on the scene versus like a, you know, defending only your area, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that why everyone got mad at, like, Oprah and stuff? Because her house was still standing during the Maui fires or something? Or am I wrong?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think. Because I think there's more to it with, like the. With Hawaii fires in Maui because she owns so much of the island. So same with the rock, too. Like, they just own so much of it. And then weren't. According to the. The Hawaiians weren't doing enough really, or weren't giving back enough. They're like, oh, you came here, you buy all the land, but then you are. You aren't going to help the community, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

So their land was okay, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So it was not the other such thing as, like, well, they were protecting their.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

No one else is around them. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[Oscar]

Because with that one with the fire company, like, I wouldn't blame Kim. It's more about what services are available. So it's more about what that company does, you know? Is that company using their resources to help with fires if they're not hired? Weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, sure.

[Oscar]

It's really about the service provider more than her hiring them or not.

[Trisha Paytas]

People were, like I said weirdly on that side. I wasn't expecting that because, like, yeah, I remember back then, people were like, pissed. And I'm kind of on the fence about it because, I mean, I don't even know how much that would cost. Like, higher price. I know no one has that money because if you're.

[Oscar]

Let's say you're her neighbor and she did that and she prevented the fire from going into her neighborhood, then you will be thinking.

[Trisha Paytas]

But. But your point was valid where it's like, okay, that's already an expensive neighborhood where they're probably going to, like, take extra precautions anyways.

[Oscar]

Palisades was that. And they didn't. They couldn't stop it. I mean, they didn't have water. That was the reason.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. With palace, it was so quick. Like this one, I remember. I think it was like the Woolsey Fire that was like 2018. And it, like, it's not like it started directly. I don't know. It was more slow. It wasn't as crazy as these ones because the winds weren't as much like, it was just easier to get, like, structure, protection and because it. The environment wasn't as crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kardashians kind of are like the damned if you do damned. Like, they're always gonna have, like, people hate for no reason. But then also some reason.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Oh, that's a great transition. Actually, I saw on Chloe's podcast, she had Scott Disick on.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

And he talked about what. Why it didn't work out with his ex girlfriend. Who.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which one?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think he was referring to Amelia Gray. And yeah, she, it was when she was 19, I believe he was like 38, 39. And he was talking about like, I'll, I'll have Jimmy insert the exact quote here. I'll play it for you, but I'll have Jimmy edit it in so I don't like mess up the context because I feel like it's important. It was, it was crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why is he always dating some people so young? It wasn't so. For your Richie. Like.

[Moses Hacmon]

So. Yeah, he went from Sophia Richie to Amelia Gray. Yeah. And then you're gonna gag when you see what he's on. Spill Sasha's video as usual.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love sports sesh. She's on it. She never stops.

[Moses Hacmon]

She is, I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

24 hours.

[Moses Hacmon]

I've only been in a few relationships, but like my last one, I trusted the girl I was with very much and told her everything that I felt in the world and was totally like a good, fine thing, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Good. So it hasn't hardened you?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, like my last relationship was good. It was just kind of like. Like we were in different places at different times in our lives and we know that I've tend to date a little younger than I should and are.

[Trisha Paytas]

You going to stick with that?

[Moses Hacmon]

Are you going to try to go a little older? No, I can't go. Well, so what's your age range like? I'll get back with her when she gets older.

[Trisha Paytas]

But she'll still be the same.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, but she'll be matured then and older and been through life a little bit and got not over. You had some heartbreak. Isn't that crazy?

[Trisha Paytas]

He. I don't know. I don't know. Talk about rage baiting. I don't know. I don't know if like Scott's a character, but everything I see about him, I actually like hate this person. I like even now like that. You know, people like are like, people change and grow. This is like last week. What? Like how everybody's telling you. Even he's like younger than I should. Like, he knows, but even listening to that, like what, like, how is Chloe not like, huh, like, like waiting for someone to get older is wild.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So Emilia, I guess was 20, was 19 when they started dating. She's 23 now, which is.

[Trisha Paytas]

And how old is Scott?

[Moses Hacmon]

Let me see. So he must be like in his 40s. Yeah. 41.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Stop thinking about 23 year old Scott. Someone you knew when they were 19, when they were a teenager.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's so wild to be like, yeah, like I opened up to her I told her everything and it just turns out we were in different places. Like you were dating a teenager.

[Trisha Paytas]

You done a teenager. Like why? Like you were a dad, you have children and you're opening up and you're telling all your like life to a child who can't even process her life because she's 19. Like that's. Oh, oh my God. Like I'm not trying to make like her, like, you know, whatever, but it's just like all of that's so icky and Chloe says it so casually. They all like talk to him and like love him as if he's like this good guy. So I like try to believe it. Like I know he struggled like substance, like alcohol, all that stuff like that. So I know he struggled with stuff. So I like, I'm like, okay, he's going through a lot. But then it's like your brain is still there. It's like. So yeah, after going through all that, going through like addiction recovery, like his, his back, he had a back injury and then his weight gain and weight loss and I mean he's gone through like a lot of. And that's still where your mind is at. Like usually those kind of things kind of like rework your life. Like that's where I thought he was going is like, yeah, I can't date that anymore. Not let me wait till my teenage aged girlfriend is 25 or whatever. Like where I'll be 50. Like that's wild.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's so, I mean like I, like I, I could. It's not even like a one off thing. Like he went from Sophia Richie and then to like Amelia too. So what, like Sophia got a little bit too old for you or what? It's so weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it's very weird. It's very odd. He's also just awful. And again, maybe it's like care his character on the show because I never watch it. But every clip I see of him on Tick Tock is constantly just saying like. Like he's like Courtney, how much did you weigh when met? She's like 95. He's like, oh, your, your dream weight should be 93. Were so hot back then. Like just she was pregnant and he, she's like, yeah, I'm getting really hungry. He's like, yeah, I bet you are. Like, he's just so nasty. Where I'm like, even if that's like your character, like why would you want that out there for the world to see? And this is well after they've had two kids. So like you've had a daughter and you're still like fat shaming where it's just like not fun. Like it's just like it's so gross and so weird. I think in that same podcast, like, yeah, you know, the stuff I put out is like kind of embarrassing. Like it sounded like he was saying accountability. And then here in this clip, I'm like, you're, you're still so warped. Like you're still the God like that. I don't know. And like, I don't know. Like I feel like he's gone through stuff where he's like had therapy and stuff. Like, how do they not tell him? Like, I guess people don't talk about that in therapy. Like maybe don't date girls that are like teenagers.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's weird in this family, right? Because I mean Kylie was allegedly what dating? It's kind of proven. But was allegedly dating Tyga when she was underage and the family was cool with that. It. And then like, look at Sophia Richie. Like she was, I think three of her boyfriends, she dated two of them when she was underage. She was dating older. And then obviously Scott, she was of age. But there was a big age difference there too.

[Trisha Paytas]

There is the show and stuff like normal. This is my girlfriend.

[Moses Hacmon]

So there is like just a weird normalization in like the industry. I think, I think the kids think that they grow up faster because they are in the industry.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And the, there is. And I think to the parents, like think about like, like Alicia Rena for example for Amelia Gray. You know, like obviously her, she grew up in the industry. So I think generationally she's used to like the big age gap relationships because back like her generation that was so normalized with like young girls dating these.

[Trisha Paytas]

Old men, you know, I mean, right.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I think that normalization is just like instilled. Luckily, I feel like this generation is the one where that's like getting unlearned, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

For sure. Yeah, this is kind of weird, which I love to see. That's what I love to see is when like 19 year old girls like this guy is like 38, like hitting on me. That's like weird. Like I do love to see that. Like I said, thank God. That's the reason. Like I, I feel like there's like one platform we have and it's like that, it's like, I feel like the more you say it, the more people be like, oh yeah, that's like. Or anybody. I mean, Olivia Brian Smith, like so many people have been like, yeah, it Was ick. Like I was dating this person when I was like freshly 18 or whatever. And it's like the more people talk about it, the more people realize because I was that person too. I mean when you're 18 or whatever, you're think like, I don't know, you think it's like fine and like you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Feel fine, you're older, you think you're.

[Trisha Paytas]

Older, you think you're like you're mature and you're special and you have this deep connection with this person. But like the older person, like the opening up, sharing feelings, like that's like literally trauma dumping on someone who doesn't quite grasp life yet.

[Moses Hacmon]

So frontal lobe not fully developed.

[Trisha Paytas]

100. I feel like this has been said so many times, so many places and it's just like, well, hopefully more people keep talking about it, but like a 20, 25. And like that's the disgust fashion. And like Chloe's very like, I think she's pretty, like level headed. So it's just kind of odd, I don't know that they. Because she really loves Scott. Like they're very, very close. So it's just like why or why even put it on the podcast, like that part, I'd be like, maybe we.

[Moses Hacmon]

Should like that's what I'm saying. I think it's so like normalized in that family. Like if even like her baby sister was dating someone.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like that was that much older, you know, and that no one, no one said anything then I think for them it's just so normalized.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God, it makes me so scared. I get so scared for like Malibu to be dating. I'm just like, am I going to be that person that just like will never let her leave? But then it's like they rebel even more. Right? If you're like, you can't leave the house till you're 21. And then they like. My dad was very like that. He's definitely like, you can't date until you're like 25. So I was like, bye. And then become a hooker at 18. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like one of those. It's so scary. How do you navigate it? Because how do you tell someone no and they just go do it anyway ways and.

[Oscar]

Yeah, but also you're not in that environment. Because what I saw in the celebrity world is that they see it, it's normalized through, you know, they're all hanging out together and you see all the celebrities with their really young girlfriends and you see their kids Dating. They meet in those events, other celebrities, and they're so excited about it, and the parents are excited that their little kid is dating a celebrity.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's so interesting.

[Oscar]

So it's.

[Trisha Paytas]

We've talked about it before.

[Oscar]

Very much, much part of the culture.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, if Zac Efron's like, I want to date Malibu, like, at 16, I'd be like, so, obviously, ew, gross. But I guess in some level, if you've never experienced or you don't know, like, the damage it could have on them, I guess some people, like, that's kind of cool. Like Courtney Stoddard. Not like. Obviously not when she's, like, 16, but like, Courtney Stodden's mom, you know, thought saw Doug Hutchinson as, like, a big actor, and she's like, oh, yeah, you, like, should date him and whatever. So I guess I could see it, I guess, a little bit. If you haven't been through it or something. Definitely not me.

[Oscar]

I'm saying it's normal in the celebrity culture, which is not good. But in their own world, they do, because that's all they see. They see very famous and rich people date very, very young women.

[Trisha Paytas]

What is. I mean, I just don't. I just don't get the appeal. I don't get it. I guess the youth. But don't you feel old and creepy? I mean, you have to. You'd have to, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, I know they don't care.

[Oscar]

Why would they care?

[Trisha Paytas]

I would. I don't know. I feel old and creepy sometimes just being around people. I'm just like, I'm told to be here. Like, you desire, like, you know what I mean? Like, you're just like, oh, I don't know. I'm old. Why am I here? There was something recently I felt probably tart when they invited me. I was like, that's awkward. Just, like, here. I think it was. I think. I think Tana was, like, being like, you should come. You should come. Like, me and Moses are gonna be there with a bunch of influencers. Like, I don't know if that's the.

[Oscar]

We talk about this months ago before you even get invited. Do you remember we saw family. We saw somebody going on the trip. Oh, yes, we can. Like, this would be just so awkward if we were there at the breakfast.

[Moses Hacmon]

The old married couple. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's giving. Not cute for us, but, I mean, I guess nice to be invited, but.

[Oscar]

If they serve fish in tin cans, I'll review it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, no. Absolutely not. It would. Yeah, all of it sounds I drew Anya called me maternal on their podcast. I like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you see it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

They had an episode with Alex Kinsani.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

How was it meeting Trisha?

[Moses Hacmon]

It was so good.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's so nice. Like, she really is. She feels like a mom.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, she's so, so maternal.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's so sweet.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, y'all would get along.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I saw you guys met her.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I was dying. You need to go on her pod. I know, but how we'll make it work. Maybe we all.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe as a trio, we go, yeah. And it'll be the four loudest people.

[Moses Hacmon]

On the planet in one room.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. It'll literally the microphone to be like, by the way, I've always loved her. And then people were tagging me, and they're like, oh, Alex and Tiny wants to be on your podcast. And I was like, I think we even maybe reviewed her Halloween costume.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, we did. And I think even. God, we have so many episodes that I don't know which one, but there is one where I was like, oh, Alex K. Would be great as a guest. And I think it was early on when the guests were. Episodes were just happening, because I love her on TikTok, if you guys don't know. She's literally iconic trans icon. She was literally model of the year in 2024. The first trans model.

[Trisha Paytas]

Trans model. Like, at 12 or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Crazy gorge. Like, stunning. I remember reviewing her Halloween. She was like, sexy Gru.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I was like, love her so much. And so then they were talking about me on their podcast. I got really excited. And then specifically her. And then she had sent me a dm. I had seen Psy D. I went to go DM her right away, and then she DM me, and I was so excited, but I was super excited. And then she asked, and she was meeting Trisha, and the way that Drew and Enya described me, they're like, she was great. She was so sweet and very maternal. I love that. That was my favorite description because, like, I never see myself as maternal. But that's, like, the best thing to be called when you're, like, a mom who didn't feel maternal, because now I do. I do definitely feel maternal. I definitely feel like I need to protect everybody around me and, like, make sure everyone's okay and everything. So that was really nice. I like them. I had to follow up with them. I did text them a while ago if they wanted me on the podcast, but I got follow up with them. They're so sweet. They're Also very busy. They both travel all the time.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I want to be in their little kitchen setup. Wherever they're at. I love it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Dimly lit.

[Moses Hacmon]

Honestly, probably better than the Tiny Meat Gang one, I dare I say. It's just so authentic, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Relatable. I hate that word, but it's very relatable. What if drew it anywhere on the tar trip? That'd be wild. I'd like to see that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I honestly would love to see it through their eyes every time they do a collab with, like, a Marc Jacobs or what's that other clothing line, Aritzia. I think they just did.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because she's like, an actual model. I mean, he. I don't know if he's modeled before, but I know she's like, actually model. Yeah, I guess now he is.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I mean, he. Drew was like, again, we said it before, but he's, like, super tall. Very, like, has model features. So it makes sense for the both of them there. And also for Alex Khunsani, it was like, oh, it's three models hanging up.

[Trisha Paytas]

They are, like, gorgeous and, like, in person too. I remember seeing. And I was like, actually kind of shook for a minute because they are, like, really beautiful in person, and you're just like, wow. Like, I guess they're goofy. So you kind of don't see the. You know, when people are quirky, you don't see, like, the beauty right away. And then I was like, holy. I guess they are, like, the most beautiful people ever.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, like, for anyone too. When she does her tiktoks that are just like, like, to songs or whatever, and it's just her, like, straight on to camera, just like, doing a little lip sync, whatever. It's like, wow, your face card is actually insanity. Like, it's so sitting next to her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, not to be that person that, like, body checks or anything. But when we did the tik Tok, like, we're all stating, like, a. I was. I've never been more insecure in my life, and I'm pretty secure. I always think I look pretty cute, but I was like, oh, my God, let me not stand next to you. I think that we did a second take where we put her in the front because she was like, somewhere. Somewhere like, in the middle. But I was like, absolutely not. Like, go and let me just be to the side. Because she really is, like, gorgeous. And you don't. You don't really realize until you stand next to someone gorgeous that you're, you know, I'm cute But not that. You know what I mean? And she is gorgeous. And I want all of them on. And I got really excited. So. Yeah, hopefully. Alex, I really. I really love her. And she. She really does do so well on Tick Tock too. I didn't realize.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, she is it girl. I mean, I love all her TikTok so much. There was literally, literally one day last year where I was just going through and watching them over and over and over again that, like, Darian actually got mad at me because I would play them, like, out loud in the bedroom and was just, like, playing them too much because I just love everything that she says.

[Trisha Paytas]

She is so funny, too. Like, that's the other thing is when.

[Moses Hacmon]

They'Re funny, effortlessly hilarious. Like, it is. I don't even understand where she comes up with this stuff. It's always like, she just is, like, screaming in subways. And her backstage at fashion shows. Well, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And she's just. And she's a model. Like, she doesn't even. She said she doesn't have any aspirations to be an actress or anything. I was like, you're so funny. Like, you should be. You should be going on tour. So, you know all these people going on tour. I'll pay to see you just be beautiful and tell jokes. Something about them, all three together. It's just like, such a setting that. Because she does, like, so many interviews with, like, big, like, W for, like, YouTube videos and stuff like that. So it's, like, so funny. Again, Drew and you have a big podcast, obviously, but the way they film, it just feels so. I don't know what the word is. Like, homemade.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's very, like, cozy. Yeah, it's like the setup is just fierce. I don't know. It gives old school, like, YouTube vibes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, very much. It's very much like, just like the kitchen light above them lighting. That's really cute. I love them. Do they post every week?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, they post pretty often. I think they do, but when they travel and stuff, they get a little bit behind. But they're pretty on it with their schedule. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I haven't seen them with, like, a guest in a while. And then I saw that, like, every week and I was, like, so excited. I was like, oh, my God, that's so cool. I like them. Jun, I love you so much. And I will keep texting. I told Mo, I said, you should text them. I'm like, I text them like, three times. I don't want to, like, be that person that's like, hey, again.

[Moses Hacmon]

We'Ll Talk about them here. I love the back and forth. It's so funny. I love when, like, someone talks about us and then we talk about them, and then it's like a back and forth until that happens.

[Trisha Paytas]

It feels less invasive than, like, texting. It's just like, I love you. I'm obsessed with you. Please come on. Any single time. Because it is hard for me to, like, I think I did. Let me be real. I think I sent one text. I don't want to say, like, three. Like, you sent one text, but I did that one text. Like, let me know your schedule. And then, like, you didn't know. Hey, back. You just don't be pushy about it. So. But still, let me know. I'll make it work. There's certain people I'll make, like, any day work for. And Drew, any. And Alex I will make any day work for. Still trying to get other people on the podcast, too, but it's. It's hard out there. People are booked and busy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And I feel like. I don't know. It's funny. I was. When I was streaming yesterday, everyone was saying, like, I think people were letting me know about Alex and telling me about, like, oh, this person, this person, this person. I was like, it's funny because it's kind of hard for us to book people, but whenever someone is asked, they're always like, yeah, I would love to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow, Follow up in that DM then. Because there's so many people I follow up with. And I'm like, it's nice, though. It's better than being like, no, I don't want to go on. So I'd rather someone be polite about it and not follow up. I always will prefer ghosting over a rejection any day.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is an honor to even. Even get a. I would love to, like, genuinely. I'm like, wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I'm coming for the cast of the Traitors, I followed Gabby. Wendy, I'm coming to. I'm Bob. Bob the drag queen. When I met him back in Wicked, was like, I'll come on the podcast. He might be a little hard now, but I. Contact Bob, contact Gabby.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love them both.

[Trisha Paytas]

Chrishell, those are line three I'm interested in.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I. Oh, did you watch all three episodes of Traders?

[Trisha Paytas]

I did.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because it was. That's the escapism I like. I like to just. Okay, let me watch this.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it was. It's pretty good. I think. I'm still partial to season two. Season three. Two was just so good. But I do I agree. This season just has a lot of straight men that I'm like, I don't really care about.

[Trisha Paytas]

What? I don't understand the three, like, surprise spoiler for anybody for the first three episodes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

The fact that the three guests coming in were just, like, these, like, Burrows. I had to look them all up. I was showing Moses. I was, like, looking about, like, I'm not trying to be shady at all, but, like, I guess Boston Rob is like, this big deal. Everyone's like, oh, my God, Boston Rob. I was like, who? The Boston Rob. Like, I don't know, like, this person. So I looked him up. I, like, told Moses. I'm like, this guy was on Survivor 20 years ago. And I show a picture. I'm like, what? Like, how, first of all? Or the other one that was like, the Derek who's, like, a cop that was on big brother, like, 20. I'm like, I don't understand, like, how I'm not cast on this show. Like, it's crazy. These random people. There's, like, the challengers. 20 years. I was like, what the hell are these people? And it was like, three bros and not even bros. Like, I'm not. Not age shaming. Because they're all older on the show. I'm getting older, too, but they're, like, all in, like, their 40s. These, like, bro guys that everyone's, like, scared of, that they, like. Even Boston Rob, which I'm like, the name alone, I can't even say without, like, laughing because I'm like, what the. Like, you're whatever. He, like, even he was so, like, about to get revenge on these people. Like, I just, like, can't take it seriously. Like, I'm like, why are you so. Bro. Like, people, we like, camp. We like Bob the Dragon, we like Pepper, we love Alan Cumming. Like, that's why we watch the show. So why are we putting Tom Sandoval in there who was like, you know, Or Sam Ascari. Have we even seen one word from him? Like, you know what I mean? Like, let's get more of people who. Even Bob Harper, who I didn't love on Biggest Loser because I think that show is so problematic. But, like, he's giving camp. He's giving, you know, he's giving effort into the game. The housewives all give the same. I just don't understand those, like, three guys they put in the game. I'm like, I didn't know who they were. I looked them up. I'm like, they don't have, like, that big of a following and they're just so, like, guy ish. And they're all just trying, like, I don't know, like, all of that. Them. The boat game where all the women had to get out of the boat. Like, Bob was trying to be like, yo, man, like, let's also get off this, like, boat. Like, it's. Oh, it really. It really does piss me off. When Bob is, like, the one that's, like, looking out for, like, the women. I'm just like, okay, this is like, so sorry. I keep biting my tongue. The dental work. I keep biting my tongue. It hurts. Anyways, pisses me off. And everyone and all, like, all the Bachelor people, the Wells and all these people, I just like, I don't. I don't know any of these people. Like, I don't care about any of them. They're making the game not fun. They take it so serious, so personal, so aggressive.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think that's the problem. So I know all the three guys that they added because I watched their show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I Like, you watched Survivor 20 years ago.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not 20 years ago, but when I got into Survivor in 2020 and I went back and watched all the. Almost all the seasons besides, like, the really, really early ones. But that's why I loved Parvati last season because she was from, like, the earlier seasons of Survivor. But the difference is Parvy is like, slay, you know, so. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But Richard Hatch. Yes, that's what I know. He seems slay.

[Moses Hacmon]

The bomb is these three guys are all the same archetype of their, like, known to be, like, very strategic and, like, cutthroat or whatever. So they just all fill the same niche. Like, they're all this really strategic masterminds of their games. And it's like, okay, but it's. We're not really killing people on Traders. Like, we're just trying to have.

[Trisha Paytas]

They act like it. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And like, last season with Dan was like the. Whoa. He's like the strategic mastermind. He comes from big Brother. Like, he always almost. He won it once, almost won it twice, but he flopped in Traders. It's like the ones that are, like, campier are the ones that, like, do better.

[Trisha Paytas]

MJ went far. She was top.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Phaedra.

[Trisha Paytas]

Last year for doing literally nothing but, like, being the meme and standing there in the hallway. That'd be mean.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's like, yes. To have the game players for sure. But I feel like we're getting robbed a little bit. No pun intended. Because we don't have, like, more like, you know, we didn't get to see Dorinda Medley from Real Housewives who's just. Just like unbridled chaos, you know, like, give us a Tiffany Pollard. You know, someone, you know, give us.

[Trisha Paytas]

How is she not. I know, that's crazy. Yeah. Even Dorinda.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I don't know Housewives, but I definitely have seen her like memes and her clips everywhere. And I was just like, how we.

[Moses Hacmon]

Were robbed because she got out too early. Like we're losing the campness for the strategy, but also the people who are too strategic don't do well anyways because they take it too serious.

[Trisha Paytas]

Too serious. Yeah, Dan was. Yeah, he flopped for sure.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like we. We're missing out on the. On the entertainment because they're giving us the guys who are too on it. And then again the. I get like they have to fill the different niches for the casting. But Sam Asgari and then the one who's a step uncle to Prince Harry or whatever. I'm like, those people need to. It's a waste. It's a. Literally a waste of space. Like they bring nothing. Literally bring nothing to the table at all.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they did that. The first season was there. Our second season was like a butler.

[Oscar]

Yeah, it was from Parliament.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, that's what it was.

[Oscar]

Diana, do they have a quota? Do you have to have one like a resistant?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know, something.

[Oscar]

No, he was. He was in the Parliament.

[Trisha Paytas]

What? Is that why it is weird. It's like doesn't fit the vibe of the show.

[Oscar]

They want some accent. Cuz they're in a. In the. They want to have the character that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Jack McCollum or Katie Price or like someone we know. Hilaria Baldwin in there for sure. It is so random. It's like literally like second cousin of King Harry's brother.

[Moses Hacmon]

It gives me the vibe like at least Frankie Grande was Ariana's brother. But this is. It was trying to give the same gaggery of being related to someone like iconic. But it was like, well, I am the step uncle. I'm like, wait, okay. Unless you're the like the biological uncle and you're living in like Kensington Palace Circle back.

[Trisha Paytas]

I want to see King Charles. Like that's what I want to see. That's. It's so random.

[Moses Hacmon]

At least Camilla, like, come on, give.

[Trisha Paytas]

A. Camilla would be so good in there. Would watch it for sure. It's very odd. And they do it kind of. They were trying to isolate him at the beginning. I thought, Ivar, I know the name. They said it so many times, Ivar is going out, and I was like, thank God.

[Moses Hacmon]

I wanted one of the boring guys because that.

[Trisha Paytas]

The older guy from last season, the Parliament guy, like, he just wasn't bringing anything, and he just kind of felt bad because he was older. You're just like, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

He kind of got camp towards the end. He started going after people, but it was, like, episodes of him barely being in it, and I'm like, yeah, well.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ivar scored some points by saying he was gay. It kind of gagged everyone for a minute.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, sure. I did forget about married a bloke. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. That's kind of shocking. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But, I mean, the girls are really doing it, though. Like, I love. I. I didn't really know much. Gabby. Wendy. I was unfamiliar with your game, but I do love the girl. I do. And she's like, well, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everywhere I followed her back, I was like, oh, my God, I love her. I'm like, probably gonna miss out now. I was like, damn, I probably miss this window because they're so popular. I love her so much. I know. Because I didn't know. I didn't know her story. Didn't know she was pretty naughty. That she's like, yeah, I was on the Bachelor for two seasons. Like, how'd that work out? She's been like, yeah, she's. She's everything. I like the trio of Chris, Shell. Is it. Is it Nikki?

[Moses Hacmon]

Chris Shell, Nikki and Gabby.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I love them, love the girls, and I just hope they band together more. I don't love the traitor. I like Bob, the other trainer. I don't like Boston Rob. I don't. I don't like. I don't know. I don't like them. I just think they, like, are not. They're not. What's the word? Like, Bob is taking over because, like. Because it's because he. He can. Like. The other people don't have input. They're not giving anything. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Carolyn, again, I watched Survivor.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. Oh, okay. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

She.

[Trisha Paytas]

You love her.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'd love the blonde. Yes. Because I feel like she kind of gives me what to it a little bit of what you would give me in the castle as far as, like, chaos. You could be a traitor and no one really would really know because I feel like your personality would be the same and no one would. People would be like, there's no way Trisha can be a traitor. She's, like, just all over the place, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that like. I think I would honestly confuse myself. I think I wouldn't know what's real. That's true. She. I guess I haven't gotten much from her yet, so I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I relate to her too, because I know that she has, like, the Strats in her brain, but she can't verbalize and put it into words like what she's thinking, like, coherently.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because she was also the same on Survivor. She got very, very far in Survivor, I think Final Four or Final Three, if I remember. And she was the underdog. Like, she was the one they were gonna get rid of as soon as they could. But she persevered. Yeah. And she was like, strategizing under the radar.

[Trisha Paytas]

So how do you win Survivor? We were talking about this because we haven't seen Survivor. I, like, I don't think I've seen any of it. How do you win?

[Moses Hacmon]

It's a very intense game because you start off on three different tribes, so you have to survive within your own tribe. And then at some point they all merge and come together other. So it's this mix of you have to, like, have allies and have enough people to not get voted out, but then you also have to be making enough big moves to be voted as the winner at the end because, like, the. The people who you eliminate vote who the winner is. So they want to see, like, the gameplay of like, oh, what moves did you do to get there, Big Brother?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they respect the person who made the move. Like, while we hate him because he eliminated us, but yeah, he was.

[Moses Hacmon]

Was good for I was. They really. Even if they, like, someone is in there, is responsible for eliminating all of them, they will usually win. But the problem is everyone knows that. So as soon as someone makes a big move, they're usually the next one. Everyone's like, damn, we gotta get rid of them. So I. It's a. I like the game because it is complex as far as, like, how you navigate being, like, making the big moves but not being the threat at the same time. Yeah. So it is this Boston Rob one or no? I don't think he won actually, but he was just a good player. I think he did it like twice and didn't win Poverty last year won. Tony won twice. He won his season and then he won the all winter season.

[Trisha Paytas]

The one they got out.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he wasn't very good on this game, I didn't think.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, but that's the problem. You're good in other games, but this one is so different. The pacing is very different. You have to go Slower and be like more low key.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, right, right.

[Moses Hacmon]

Whereas like Danielle played Big Brother. Like she was great in Big Brother, but that game is like, you do have to be 20 steps ahead, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Whereas why didn't she. I would have shaken the hand and gotten Britney out of there. I'd been like. Cuz she's like, oh, you eliminated me on Big what's her there?

[Moses Hacmon]

Big brother.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would 100% shake someone's hand to eliminate if my mortal enemy was on there like David do there. You bet I'm gonna shake some.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's gonna be the number one suspect to David Doth.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, at the beginning, you remember when Boston Rob was gonna get. And he's like, if you come up and shake my hand, he'll know. I'll be like, shake your hand. Bye. Like, you know what I mean? Like yeah, of course I would have.

[Moses Hacmon]

Done that for I would have gone Sam Asgari out. Like if just knowing him the least threat for justice for Britney.

[Oscar]

I thought him or Tom would be out, but it didn't happen.

[Moses Hacmon]

If I was Chris Shell, I would have done it.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Or like Danielle who like really didn't like Britney when she saw her, I was like, get her out, girl.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I love Britney so I'm selfishly very happy that I don't know what.

[Trisha Paytas]

She did to Danielle, but it sounds like she was pissed and she knew she did wrong. She's didn't mean to do it. So sorry. I'd be like, you're out. I was shocked. No one did that. I was like, I would 100% take someone out right away.

[Moses Hacmon]

But also then your curse was with Boston Rob, who was kind of annoying.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I didn't know who he was. I'm like, get this.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's why I wish I. Because Bob the Drag Queen also said like I got there and I didn't know who anyone was. You would have been. I feel like very similar. I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I, I do agree with him because it's like. But, but that's the thing. Unless you watch these shows, like no one knows who these people are. Like I don't know anybody like at all. Like I. Housewives, nobody. So like it's not even like. And like he said there's probably people more famous. Maybe they have like way more followings than me for sure. But if you're not in that world, like how would you know? Like, I'm sorry, I didn't know anyone from Big Brother was famous. When people like, oh My God, that person was such a good game player. Big Brother. I was like, don't know anyone from Big Brother except for Frankie Grande. And I know Richard from Survivor. Like, that's it. I don't know anyone else. Like, it's so. There's even someone on there from Summer House. I was like, what the hell, Summer?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. That one is kind of a deep.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it a British show?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, it's on Bravo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Never heard of it. So many things. I was just like, okay. Like, I mean, it's like, I do like Dylan Efron. I'm. But I like him.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love that they put his. Like, the show that he did with Zach, that little series or whatever, instead of just being, like, Zac Efron's brother.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess that's so cool. I. I would want to be his friend just for me.

[Moses Hacmon]

He needs to put contacts on or something, though. His eyes are too blue. It's like. It's, like, captivating. Yeah. He's so pretty, and I love that he's a good sport. He changed his Instagram handle to misinformed or whatever. Misguided. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So good. I loved it. Yeah. When people can take. That's what I'm saying. It's like a game when people. People are like, get so pissed. Like, how dare you accuse me? I'm like, the show is traitors. Like, what the hell? Like, someone needs to say something. Like, it really does annoy me. I guess I'm not in it. Like, maybe I probably would be, like, mad in the moment, too, but it's like, oh, my God. People get so angry at this game. It's, like, so, so wild. I love Bob. I do fear he is maybe too vocal for the house, you know what I mean? Because he just speaks his mind, which I like, love, but it puts a target on your back, you know?

[Moses Hacmon]

I know to have both him and Danielle already kind of be talking targets this early is scary.

[Trisha Paytas]

Daniel was wild at breakfast. I don't know his way they edit her or what, but the way she was just like, yeah, even Boston Rob. Whatever. Like, he's just like, girl, stop talking. I think that's the biggest communicator.

[Oscar]

She's doing too much.

[Trisha Paytas]

She was doing so much like Boston Rob. Definitely Faith. Like, just doing so much. I'm just like, that's a lot. I don't like. I don't really like anyone. I don't know. I don't really like anybody yet, but maybe I'll have a few. I like Bob. I like Bob. I like Gabby.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I like the girls. Like the. The three girl alliance. I love Bob. I love Britney even though she hasn't gotten much screen time. But I really love.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know, I don't. I remember her either. Like I remember from the beginning but I can't tell you what she looks like.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's barely gotten screen time but she's my. I haven't watched a lot of Modern Big Brother. I think she was, she was on it when I was maybe in early in college so it's been a while. But I loved her when she was on it because she is like so funny me. So I hope she gets more screen time. But yeah, I think it's a good season. I don't love it as much season two so far but yeah, I have hope.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I'm always surprised there's no like social media people on.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I feel like they could have easily gotten rid of Sam Asgari and the. And Iver and me. Yeah. Literally.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I don't understand that either. Like, or just anybody. Like I'm like there has to be because they, they did do all the influence. I see it now. I told you. Like I think last year, year in May, Rowan's about to give birth to Elvis. They. They were inviting a bunch of influencers to the trader's house to do promo and I've been seeing it now. Like Remy Jo, I follow her so she's the one. I know but they were. She was like in it. So they're like all doing promo and like why don't they. I think a lot of the comments of that too, they're like, why wasn't this.

[Moses Hacmon]

The cast put them in it. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like this would at least gotten like followers and people excited about it. It is weird. I guess it's a lot of older people.

[Oscar]

I think the show is almost like a commercial for reality TV shows. It's like whoever is the producers of those shows made this show. You think so it's kind of a funnel to all of those people that they already have in their arts and all because it's always the same. It's Survivor, the Housewives, they all come from the same place. And I think that's what it serves. It's kind of like a secondary stage for those.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. It didn't get me to watch any of those shows. I was like, I have no interest in. I didn't know. Is Survivor still on?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, still on.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean that's wild cuz that's like the first one, right? That was the first reality.

[Moses Hacmon]

The first reality competition show, I believe.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean I was like in middle school when it came out.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah. It's crazy cuz they'll show clips and stuff. I think Richard Hatch was on House of Villains and like they'll show clips of like Survivor or whatever. Even just like seeing the quality is so crazy cuz you know, the standard like the box or whatever and like the. So grainy and stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, right. Was he the first winner? Yeah, I, I liked the first season cuz that's the only one I watched. But I think he did become problematic. Didn't he like out someone or something?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't remember. Didn't he? I think he went to jail. That's the only thing I remember.

[Trisha Paytas]

He went to jail, but definitely like outed someone for being transgender.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I don't remember.

[Trisha Paytas]

But he think he apologized and then that person was like whatever. It was crazy. Like threw the person under the bus. I forgot. But it was crazy. Which is wild. But you know, he's old.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think they should. I mean at least you have celebrity Big Brother. So you do have roots in reality tv.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. They're going to go for gameplay.

[Moses Hacmon]

But also Ivor, it's not like he's in anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sam as Gari. Like what? No, I was on Subway Big Brother. I've been on who Wants to be a Superhero? Like I have.

[Moses Hacmon]

You have a. You have the IMDb. Check the IMDb.

[Trisha Paytas]

Check it out. I want to be on it. It is crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

She was on Tanner turns 21.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tanner turns 21. Escape the night five times. She is a game player. That is crazy. I wouldn't know. She would have told me. She's asked. I don't think she's ever been asked like that is. I think it is a very like niche, like older reality show. I like it because again, I think there is a. It's good that I have older people on TV because you know, they need space too. But not like young people on there. Except for Gabby, but a lot of bachelor people. And I get vaccinations like a thing. But boring.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think there was only two this time, right? Gabby and Wells.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's two too many. Like Pete, the pilot.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh yeah, Last season. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm just like, I don't the. The batch of people are boring, but Sam Escar is definitely not.

[Moses Hacmon]

One minute of their time just brings nothing to the table.

[Trisha Paytas]

Zero. We haven't seen him talk to people.

[Moses Hacmon]

Barely. I think someone said he Was guilty or whatever. Then he was like, me, not me. And then that was it. It was like, okay, great.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or at the beginning, someone asked him about Britney. He's like, can't talk about.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's like, okay, then what are you.

[Trisha Paytas]

What are you doing here?

[Oscar]

What are you talking. Somebody talk to him.

[Moses Hacmon]

Literally, like, okay, you won't tell me about Bernie, then I'll wrap it up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't like it, but I don't know. I'm trying to watch. I literally watch it because I love Adam Clummy. He's so funny, and I like his outfits, and he cracks me up. Everyone else, I don't know. We'll see. I hate all the men that went in there, though. I'm just, like, so over it. I like that they were in cages, though. That's kind of funny. Like, so random. Like, why do they do that? That's so. Or when they bury. Yeah, it is. It is. It's. It's interesting. I like it. And Drag Race.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. Another great episode of Drag Race, too. I love our little recap section.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's all we have going right now is Drag Race in Casey. I forgot. I went through her Instagram, and, well, she posted a photo, and she had my old school Trish Merch is, like, a tote.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, I saw in your story.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I was like, my new favorite. She's gonna win for sure. I was happy to see her survive. I was not happy. I don't like when they, like, give someone a second chance to come back into the game. You know what I mean? So, like, Hormonalisa got eliminated, and then she got to come back.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was like. I. I really like the eliminations, too, because I feel like it ups the stakes, but I like her Mona Lisa, so I am biased, I think, too. And everyone is so, like, over her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are they?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, like, they. I think it was a lot mostly in Untucked, maybe, but, like, I know. I love them all, truly. But, like, Corey King is so over Hormonalisa, I think, because she just made a big deal about RuPaul, like, choosing her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're like, yeah. Everyone's like, okay, girl, we got it. But also, that is her storyline for the first episode. You know what I mean? So, like, of course she has to mention it. I feel like she's camp about it. She's not, like, mean. She's not like, yeah, I'm better than you guys because RuPaul picked, like. I think she's, like, being unserious about It.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, for sure, I think. Did you see her dress up as inside out in dragcon? I loved it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I loved it, too. Everyone was, like, kind of teasing her because in her confessional, she has a bob and a turtleneck and the glasses. And I think on the Pit stop with Monet and Raven, they said she kind of is giving sadness from inside out. So I love that she made her her brand.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's like that, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's my kind of girl. You know, you take the memes and you roll with it.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know when someone says you look at and they're like, I'm gonna go. Yeah, she kind of did.

[Moses Hacmon]

She did. And I love her bob. I think her bob is cute.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think she's cute. It's so hard. It's hard because there are such a variety of queens, and. And obviously there are some that are, like, really, like, polished and just been doing it forever. And then there's, like, newer ones, and it's just, like. It's hard. It's hard when you're like a new. I love. Who's the one? Lexi. Love.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love Lexi.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I love that she won, and I love that it's so funny. They're like, I think I. Because I think it was child visage, even, like, chuckled at it. Like, Rue's like, you know, she's an older queen in this competition, like, 33. 33. But it is kind of true when you look up the other ages. I mean, people are like, 24. Like, they're young.

[Moses Hacmon]

And like, our sister Jules Sparkles being like, oh, great auntie. Don't break a hip on your.

[Trisha Paytas]

She did clarify today that she calls anyone that's 18 or over an auntie. I was not age shaming. I was like, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Even if Jewel Sparkles didn't give us love, I still. I still love her because her professionals are so funny, and she's just so cute. So gay. I love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it, too. I know. I. We just need. That's what I'm saying. Traders is missing the game.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

We just need.

[Moses Hacmon]

You should have given us at least one of those cages. Should have been a drag queen. Plain Jane. Plane Jane. Should have been in a cave.

[Trisha Paytas]

That would have been so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, like, we needed our Gia gun. Put Gia gun in one of those traders. Or.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who was the. Who was the queen? That was on this season? That was on. It was a special guest. She was on the UK version. She wears also a kilt. She was giving out.

[Moses Hacmon]

She was giving Traders Chaney.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I, like, loved her. I Never saw her before. And I was like, after this, I was like, why is she giving outcoming in traitors? She was very, like, theatrical, like someone's gonna die. Like, I was like, oh, my God, I love this.

[Moses Hacmon]

This queen we need. Yeah. I think moral of the story, just put more queens and traitors.

[Trisha Paytas]

More queens and traitors.

[Moses Hacmon]

And this season, I just. I really do. I really love them all. I love them. I love my Latinos, though. Like, I didn't know Jules was Cuban, so I love Jules even more now. I know that either Cuban in Puerto Rican. So that's my sister.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. That was such a good song.

[Moses Hacmon]

Such a good song.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Lucky stars is also Cuban. So my other sister.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Moses Hacmon]

Let's see it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is there another star? Is there another star on the season?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think so. Oh, no. Sam star.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I was like, wow, everyone has that. No, really? Is it with two Rs or one Sam stars?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think one R and then lucky stars is like four Z's, four C's, Z's, stars.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I see. That's good. Because, you know, like, it's like Patrick star and Jeffree star always got me. Are they related? Are they in the same dragon?

[Moses Hacmon]

And I always forget how many stars are in Patrick stars. I mean, so many. How many Rs are in Patrick?

[Trisha Paytas]

Two or three?

[Moses Hacmon]

I thought. I forgot. I think it's two, maybe three.

[Trisha Paytas]

He wanted to differentiate himself from Jeffree star. I do love it. I love the season. I think it's been fun so far.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do you like Dochi? She was the guest.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would have pulled like, a Joella crying over Katy Perry. I would have cried over Dochi. I love.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I didn't know really, like, her vibe or her aesthetic. Like, I knew it from tick tock, you know, because, like, she was so viral. Like, hi, I'm named Doji with two eyes. Like, I knew it, but I didn't really know, like, her vibe. And then when I saw her, I was just like, oh, my God. So flawless. I mean, everyone looks flawless. I looked at Michelle Visage's makeup artist yesterday because I was looking at her make. I was like, so good. Lipstick, Nick. Lipstick. Nick followed me. I was a little starstruck because the lipstick. Because I followed her and then she, like, followed me back and then she's like, hi. And I was like, she has been a dream, like, makeup artist for me. But she's, like, so in demand and, like, no one can book her. Like, Jeffrey couldn't even book her first Stuff because she's so busy, but she's like, does Kristen from Pentatonix? And Michelle's makeup looked so good. I was like. I was like, every time I see their glam, I'm just like, oh, this is so fierce. All the queens, too. They always do such good makeup. They have so much heart in there, too. Like, Traders has no heart to me. You know what I mean? It's like you get, like, you said, like, Phaedra, like, she gave so much to the show, and I just feel like there's no one that I'm like, like, feeling that vibe with where you give so much. I mean, Bob's great, but.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone else, like, I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Bob's kind of caring right now. Bob's really putting everything into it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I, I, that's. I. That's why just, we need more drag. Like, we just need more drama queens, you know, like Housewives, Drag Race.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. And people love that. Like, that. This is the era of that. So it's like, why are we not giving.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

More of that. I don't know. Something says, well, let me know next casting. I wonder who's. Because there's a second season picked up or a fourth season picked up for two Traders, I'm like, I wonder who's gonna be on it.

[Moses Hacmon]

You need to throw your hat, your name in the ring for Traders, and guest judge on Drag Race.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think either one's happening for me. You know how I can manifest and see things for me, I don't see that for me. And I really want it to be, but I'm giving it up graciously. It's fine. You know when you just know, you're like, okay, let me. Where was it? I don't know. There was something where you just like, no. Oh, There was a girl in a DJ booth, and she thought the DJ was vibing with her, and then she, like, watched the video back, and he's, like, calming, calling for security to, like, get her office out this morning. And it was so crazy. And everyone's like, girl, read the room. Know where you're not wanted. Because she thought it was, like, cute. And Camp G posted it, but he was literally just like. And she's, like, doing the move like that, too. Like, obviously she was drunk.

[Moses Hacmon]

Don't be me, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying is, like, nowhere you're not wanting. I still support from afar, but I would love the whatever filter they use on both Traders and Drag Race. I need.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It is really good.

[Trisha Paytas]

They blow Blur and Chloe's podcast, too, actually. I. Like, I want to go on that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, the Kardashians always have that crazy lighting filter situation, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, that's. I mean, that's crazy. Like, I. We have a lot of lighting in here, but, like, you kind of get what I look like. You know what I mean? Like, to just blur it out completely. I don't hate it. Maybe we'll get that season three. Season three start, I guess, in July.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Season three coming soon.

[Moses Hacmon]

A kind of unserious topic, like, no anticipation or anything. No hype for this one that I saved for the end. I suppose it kind of was on accident, but regardless. Harry Jowsey revealed that he slid into Sabrina Carpenter's DMS after the day that she broke up or the breakup was announced with Barry Keogan.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm sure it was before. I'm sure you just said that the day it broke.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm sure it was like, during. Yeah. And that he never. That Sabrina never replied. And I was like, well, duh. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, why would she. I'm sure he's not on Traders. He seems.

[Moses Hacmon]

Don't even put that in the universe because I. I don't know if I'd be able to endure. I don't know if I'd be able to endure.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's definitely giving these people on. That they put on Traders.

[Moses Hacmon]

I. Let me. God, if you're up there, please don't let me drag Harry Jowsey and then let my sister, Sabrina. Lynn Carpenter and Lynn Carpenter date him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. She would never.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think so. But I'm like, in the off chance, and. And this. This is forever because it is on the Internet, you know, so Sabrina and Lynn, please do not date this man, because I'm about to go in on him. Harry, Josie, what exactly do you think that you bring to the table that my sister, Sabrina Carpenter, is going to give you the time of day? I don't know who has deluded you like this, really. You're just tall, white, and you have abs. Other than that, literally nothing is being brought to the table. I don't laugh at your podcast. I don't laugh. When you were Kristen Cavalari. It's still. He's still doing something. No, there's no way he's still doing something. He's with Kristen Cavalari. I. I just. I don't care. I just don't care. I don't. I understand that you are celibate right now. My condolences to you and your family. He's not having sex right now because his dad passed away, so he can't. He said he just can't get horny. My condolences. I don't wish ill upon you, but I don't like you.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a crazy story.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's a crazy sentence.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's a great. He said that on his podcast or what?

[Moses Hacmon]

On the Kristen Cavallari podcast. Podcast. This is where all this came out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. What a. Okay, wow. Respect. That's wild. That's such a wild thing to say, but okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know you're grieving. Well, you could have. It could have been worded, you know, more eloquently. But also, what else do you expect from Harry Jo? I suppose I don't know if words are a specialty, but please, Sabrina. Please, Sabrina, let's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I keep them away.

[Moses Hacmon]

If some people like. Well, well, she's dating. She's dated Barry. Barry isn't, like, you know, traditionally hot. Why would she go from Barry to Harry Jos.

[Trisha Paytas]

Talented actor, but.

[Moses Hacmon]

But her boyfriend before Barry was Shawn. Shawn Mendes, who is traditionally hot. So that. That is what makes me nervous.

[Trisha Paytas]

And Barry Fogan is, like, pretty hot compared to, like, Harry Joy is, like, giving nothing. Intellectually, there's nothing. I mean, at least he's, like, an.

[Moses Hacmon]

Actor and he's an artist.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he has an accent.

[Moses Hacmon]

But maybe she's scorned by actors after Barry, you know, like, please, please, please.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, don't go to, like, a himbo.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, don't go to the womanizer. I think is a. Is probably safe.

[Trisha Paytas]

They kind of do, though. Sometimes I always feel like, look at Brittany when she went to Sam Mascari. I was just like, oh, my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's why I'm nervous.

[Trisha Paytas]

There is something about a successful pop star that loves a low life. Not saying he's that, but you know what I mean. Just like, I don't know. Ah, yeah. I hope not.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, again, I don't wish any ill to Harry Jowsey. I feel for him. Just stop using women to further your career. How about that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you see that, Tana? She was exposing all the shake. Wait, I thought everyone knew this about the Dolan twins and all the Megam boys, how they were all f boys. How do people not know that they were, like, sleeping with everybody? And yeah, she. All your favorite people. Which is crazy, because to me, they all look like little boys. And I can't even imagine them getting, like, all these girls and women because, like, we were talking about earlier, just, like, being attracted to not even an older guy, but just someone who looks masculine. And all these boys were so tiny and little. Like, I can't even imagine. I guess Dolan twins I could see. But then she was saying that all the Meg Con boys, which I'm trying to think I, like, just seen pictures of them. I don't really know.

[Moses Hacmon]

What's his name? Cameron, Dallas. Like, Nash Greer.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. When you watch that video of, like, Nash Greer and there's two other boys, I don't know who they are, but they're talking about how, like, disgusting it is. Like, women who don't shave their armpits or something like that. Like, oh, I could never date someone who, like, doesn't shave. That's so disgusting. Like, what? Have you ever seen that? It's like nascar very young, obviously. And he's like, ew, women shave. It's so disgusting. If I see armpit hair. Like, and now he's married to a very gorgeous, like, girl who, like, is very natural and the very. So it's like, obviously he's, like, matured out of that. But it is wild to see that. I was like, how are these guys, like, just hooking up with all the, like, girls? I'm like, who, like, what? That's. I can't even fathom it. But Tana's like, yeah, when I came to la, they were all like that. She just did a tick tock about it. And so she was talking about the Dolan twins. Like, how did people not know? Because I think Olivia Bryant also came. I don't know which one is which, but someone dated Emma Chamberlain. And then Olivia Bryant said her entire first album was about one of the Dolan twins.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, what's the other?

[Trisha Paytas]

Ethan and Grayson.

[Moses Hacmon]

Crazy. Emma's was Ethan.

[Trisha Paytas]

And do you think Olivia's was different? You think she was the other one? Maybe we're the same.

[Moses Hacmon]

I have no idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought. I don't know. But I thought one was straight and one was not. But it was that wrong.

[Moses Hacmon]

I. As far I thought they were both straight.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. So, yeah, maybe it was two different. Maybe it was the same one. But she was saying his favorite color was purple, so that's why she had the purple hair. And then, like, all. So she was kind of saying he was like this player too. Which, again, I look at those videos and I just see, like, such young boys. So I just. I don't know. I just. I've never been attracted to, like, young, like, teenage boys or how old were they? I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

They were like. Are they the same age as Tiana?

[Trisha Paytas]

About.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

So they were probably like 19.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So I'm sure they're about the same age.

[Trisha Paytas]

And no, I'm not saying her, I'm saying me. I never looked. Even when I was like, 18. I never thought an 18 year. Like, I never thought Zach Efron in High School Musical was like.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think for them, though. No, it's almost like the, like. Like a One Direction. Like the One Direction stands at the time. Like, they're all like around similar age. Like, they're about like, my age. The girls I went to, they're concerts with and I'm the same age as, like, Harry and stuff, so. And they all wanted to be the ones that, like, you know, hooked up with Harry. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I would think I loved NSync and they're quite a bit older than me. They're like in their 40s now. So I was like, oh, I was like a 13 year old, but obviously I wouldn't be hooking up with like, Justin Timberlake. I'm trying to think who's my age? Who's like, I guess Zak Efron. But, like, I never thought he was hot in, like, High School Musical.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, never. I thought. I started thinking he was hot maybe in Greatest Showman. I definitely didn't think, like, Hairspray. I was like, oh, no, maybe like Greatest Showman, but maybe I just never even like high school boys. I never thought were. Did you find boys attractive in high school?

[Moses Hacmon]

My crush in high school was a year older than me. He was a senior when I was a junior, so maybe it's something randomly. He was in one episode of Escape the Night.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were you working on it?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I wish.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you try to like, oh, let me get on.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I didn't know until I was watching it. I was like, oh, that's Dennis.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, shout out. Dennis.

[Moses Hacmon]

Shout out. Dennis with one N. I loved it. I love that. He was like a football player but was like, like cool. Like, I don't know. He didn't care that I was gay. Like, he would hang out with me. We had PE together and he would always just, like, hang out with me and. Oh, it was like a little. He'd be a little. He would like charity work, like being a little flirty back, you know. I think I was so obvious that I loved him, so he was always so sweet, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's nice. We were just being nice too. Do you. Was he straight or did he end up being gay later on? Yeah, there was a Modern Family episode where Mitch, like, he goes back to his like, town where like this lake where he grew up on. And he like kissed a boy and he said he always felt bad because the boy was like, straight or whatever. And then he found out, he like goes. He's like, yeah, I'm so sorry. Like, that was like, weird. Like, you know, you're straight. He's like, no, I'm gay. And he's like, and you rejected me, like, and you said, ew, I was the only other gay boy and he was not good enough for me. Like, he was so pissed. He's like, yeah, I just wasn't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Thank God that was not the case. Thank you, Dennis, for being straight. Because I think that would literally be like my 13th reason why that's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where you're like, oh. He also was gay, just not into me. Like. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Although there was a lot of gays in my school, I think a good amount. But they were all hooking up with each other. I remember being gagged. This is such a random change. I'll be quick though. But I remember being gagged because we went like, at our school, we had like retreats that we went on and I remember being gagged when I came back from the retreat with everyone and then finding out that the gays were all hooking up with each other. And I had no idea. I was none the wiser until like a week later and then everyone, everyone was like, yeah, like, I can't believe so and so hooked up at so. And I was like, wait, I thought we were having a good time. Praising the Christian was what?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, did you say that? I missed that part of it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Cuz I went to a Catholic school, so it was like, oh, it's always that Catholic school kids are the horniest. That's for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wasn't there a movie with like Macaulay Culkin and Manny Moore? Yes. And was that the thing? They were all like horny and having sex? That's. Yeah, I. I always found that out too. Like later on, people in high school were like, yeah, everyone's hooking up with everyone. I'm like, no. Yeah, like, didn't know. I guess I wasn't a part of that. But yeah, like young boys. I just never found a track attractive even when I was young. Which is like, fine, if you're 19, you find 19 year old attractive, but couldn't have been me, that's for sure. I've always found just old, creepy men. I Think it was just because I had, like, low self esteem. I don't know. I actually don't know the psychology behind it, but even when I see like young, like, like a young Harry Styles, I don't think he's cute. But like, seeing him a little older, I was like, okay, he's kind of cute, I guess. But I don't know, like seeing all those, like, boys, young, like Ethan and Grayson, I'm just like, oh, like, who's that better?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I mean, because. Yeah, at the time, same. I guess being their same age, you don't think anything of it. You're like, oh, they're just my agent.

[Trisha Paytas]

With these boys, I just always thought, like, I always thought my head, like, what if I got pregnant by someone my age? Like, ill. Like, what are they? You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, that's a good way to think about it. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like what? I guess Meg, con boys could take care of you, but like just some random. I don't know. But then again, a lot of old men, they can't take care of you either. They're also just struggling and they. A lot of people end up using me. They were like, staying with me, so I don't know. None of it really works out at the end of the day. Too many creepies. Too many old creepies.

[Moses Hacmon]

Sabrina, stay away from.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. How do we get there?

[Moses Hacmon]

Tie that one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did she respond or no?

[Moses Hacmon]

He said that Harry said that Sabrina never replied to his dm. Thank God. Let's keep it that way. I feel like he's trying to pull a Travis Kelce and just put it out there and put it out there and hope that she replies. But Harry, Josie and Travis, Kelsey not the same.

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think she'll probably end up with Marcelo Hernandez. The Domingo would love that. Yeah. But he is the new Pete Davidson. Everyone's saying that he's. He's dating all these women. I want to say Kai Gerber. I want to say, like, all these people, allegedly. But like, he's been hooking up with all these girls, which he's a cutie.

[Moses Hacmon]

And he's funny and so nice.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I really did like him. He was very, very sweet. I was on SNL and he brought me on stage with his arm and I was like, I love him so much. No, I. Yeah, he is that. But it's always those guys, the funny ones that get everyone. But I'm glad it's. We're moving on from Pete Davidson because. Not to say whatever, nothing bad, but everyone's like, Pete Peepee. I'm like, let's get on the Domingo.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And he did make the rounds. There was. No one was safe from Pete Davis. I don't know. He's had, like, his own issues and stuff too, obviously. But maybe that was good. Like, just take some time. Work on yourself. Because he really was dating every. Every it girl. Yeah, every it girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I guess this guy's gonna do. Did you see Timothy Chalmet is hosting.

[Moses Hacmon]

And music for me snl. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I need fun when you get back on that show. When he's there, I would like. I'm on the Timothy train. I think now. I think I like Timothy Chalamet. Yeah. I really would like to go on that episode. I wonder what song he's gonna perform.

[Moses Hacmon]

Probably Bob Dylan, but I hope he doesn't want the song.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would love.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I love that Wonka soundtrack.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did love Wonka. I think that's one thing I've seen him in, and I loved him in that so much. Jonathan Bailey. I know. We're rant on. Jonathan Bailey got a Sega Award nomination.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, well, I love the nomination. Love Jonathan Bailey. He's gonna be on the Graham Norton show this week. If anyone has tickets to the Graham Norton show this week with Jonathan Bailey, please let me know because they're on. Jimmy was. Was it Jimmy? Yeah, Jimmy was on it. He's like, no, no, no, no. It's my other. It's. Sorry. Devin. Another guy who works on Night Loveline. He was like, the tickets already sold out. He, like, loves Grand Norton too. And he's like, they're already sold out. So if anyone knows how to get those Jonathan Bailey tickets, let me know. I DM'd Graham Norton. No reply.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're okay. You and Mary Josie have a lot in common.

[Trisha Paytas]

Actually, I would love to come. So let me know. No, no, not me and Harry Jowsey. That's Traders, Pete Davidson, Harry Jowsey, Graham Norton, and me, Graham Lauren. He has an accent. He should be on Traders. Just a hop, skip and a jump in Scotland, really. Oh, man. An out and coming. I would love to have you on the podcast. Love, love, love him. Okay, that's it. Stay safe. Anything else? I'm on tour soon. I don't know what I'm gonna do, but it's gonna be fun. And Oscar gaming.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm here. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where's your vlog?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, I'll have a vlog today. Today. It'll be out today if you want to go watch it when this goes up. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

The pressure's on.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have you started it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Huh? I'm almost done editing it. I mean, it's really only three clips, so it's really easy. Although it's a big. It's us planning 2025, which. And we have some good tea in there. We're kind of funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that there was 20 minutes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Of us building a calendar, but we had some good stories in there. Yeah, there's some good tea in there. Oh, and my boyfriend is in it, so. Yeah, Darian reveals in there too. It's a heavy hitters. Darian. Trisha. Yeah, that's all I got.

[Trisha Paytas]

We got it. We love you guys. And go to our Patreon. We're gonna do our bonus podcast there. We'll talk about lot of roads not knowing who Meg the Stallion is because that was on my Hot Topics and we'll get there soon. All right, love you guys. Be safe. Goodbye. Guest coming this week. Guest episode this week. All right, bye.